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So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
airplane crashes.

Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7089318.stm

Emirates orders 82 Airbus planes

The latest Emirates deal is worth more than $20bn for Airbus
Emirates has ordered 82 Airbus jets, in a deal worth more than $20bn
(Ł9.6bn) for the European plane-maker.

The Dubai-based airline is buying 70 of Airbus’ mid-sized A350 model,
and 11 Airbus A380 twin-deck super jumbos.

Announced at the start of the Dubai air show, Emirates said the new
planes would play “an important role” in the growth of both the
airline and Dubai.

Emirates added that it also had the option to purchase a further 50
A350 aircraft at a future date.

Rolls-Royce deal

If this additional order goes ahead, the final deal will be worth
about $32bn for Airbus.

Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud
Airbus boss Tom Enders

The latest contract win for Airbus was also good news for British
engine-maker Rolls-Royce, as Emirates has chosen its units to power
the new planes.

It will be worth up to $8.4bn for Rolls-Royce if Emirates does go on
to buy the additional 50 A350 planes.

“Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud,” said
Airbus president and chief executive Tom Enders.

The order is welcome good news for Airbus parent group EADS.

Last week EADS warned it may have to deepen planned restructuring and
job cuts after its losses for the July to September period worsened to
775m euros ($1.14bn; Ł541m), compared with 189m euros last year.

It already plans to cut 10,000 jobs at Airbus over the next four
years.

Airbus designs and makes its wings in the UK.

>The news stories below about Quantas seem to be dated January 2002.

>All the crashes caused by defective landing gear on the Bombardier Q400, are
>being reported in the past few weeks – in other words NOW!!

>When all of Europe is dumping the Bombardier Q400, and suing Bombardier for
>many billions, there is definitely something wrong with Bombardier!

>As well, the media report that there are at least another 2 crashes in Japan
>with the Bombardier Q400 this year.

>Now, the European Safety Agency is demanding a “crisis meeting” with Canadian
>officials, to discuss the risks to European travellers caused by the defective
>Bombardier junk!! In a publicly issued statement, ESA promised to “take all
>measures to ensure the safety of European passengers and citizens”.

>Competitors of Bumbardier, such as EMBRAER, BAC, and the US firms, must really
>be having a field day, now that they can tell potential buyers about all the
>crashes with Bombardier!!

>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:24 -0400, “Paul” wrote:
>>>”Craig Welch” wrote in message
>>>news:05tci3p2r6alippljpsofv[email protected]
>>>> Ned Kelly said:

>>>>>As well the European Union are saying that most European airlines are now
>>>>>going to return all the Bombardier aircraft, following a number of crashes in
>>>>>the past few weeks, costing many airlines untold millions in damages due
>>>>>tounsafe Bombardier aircraft. Mind you airlines such as Horizon Air and
>>>>>Quantasstill are flying Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> There are no Quantas Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> Craig http://www.wazu.jp/
>>>> 1,239 Unicode fonts for 82 written language groups:
>>>> Price your own web plan: http://www.wazu.jp/hosting/
>>>I believe you are incorrect.

>>>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3078/is_200201/ai_n7819747

>>>http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/index.cfm?story=ON-20071022-000552-1606

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On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:39:12 GMT, “princeandy” wrote:

>It might not stop them, but sure as hell makes sure they wont offend again.

A lot of good ideas!

Now definitely needed for the members of the pedofilia party in
Holland!!

Also, for judges in Canada releasing repeat child molesters!!

Sensible places such as Texas, Singapore and Saudi Arabia use the
DP to get rid of serious criminals.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 10:06:56 -0600, Ken McVaySOBC
wrote:

>Be sure to include for immediate extermination, those judges who have approved
>special rights for the AIDS-spreading fags!!

>In much of Europe, and the Middle East, such disease spreaders get their just
>punishment, which in some cases merits the DP!

>>DP=Good Ways to Eliminate Garbage,especially AIDS-spreading fags!!

>>This is an old article, which certainly is germane,
>>since many US states, and foreign countries are
>>starting to agree with the policies of Don Kool.

>>There has been much discussion regarding the advantages
>>of televising executions.

>>A few more thoughts on the subject.

>>The State can in fact auction off the rights to each and every
>>execution. The proceeds thereof could be allocated to the
>>VICTIMS of the criminals executed.

>>The victims and their families should have the RIGHT to
>>not only determine the method of execution, but should also
>>have the right and privilege of executing the criminals themselves.

>>Some of the types of criminals meriting execution,
>>but not limited to such, would include:
>
>> AIDS spreaders
>> rapists
>> drug dealers
>> home invaders
>> armed robbers
>> pederasts and similar child molesters
>> crooked liars/lawyers
>> corrupt judges
>> corrupt politicians
>> insane anti-DP supporters such as despicable Desi??
>> members of parole boards allowing dangerous criminals free
>> useless psychiatrists & welfare staff responsible for
>> criminals being released
>>Additional reasons for meriting the death penalty would include:
>> any spreader of any disease,including STD – this would
>> obviously include most faggots
>> white collar criminals causing losses of more than 100,000
>> dollars (just ask senior citizens who have been swindled,
>> how they would exterminate those who preyed upon them!!)

>>Some popular methods for extermination of such vermin would include:

>> crucifixion, as recommended by intphase
>> vivisection
>> medical experiments without anaesthetic
>> target practice for police and military
>> beheading
>> hanging
>> barbecueing by electrocution
>> drawing & quartering

>>Additional methods of execution have been suggested, such as:
>> guillotining, very popular in France
>> flaying alive until dead
>> stoning to death – popular in some jurisdictions

>>More suggestions for both categories are invited.

>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit www.freedomsite.org

>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled – as fertiliser!!

>”At a time of universal deceit – telling the truth
>is a revolutionary act.”
>(George Orwell)

>David Icke – ‘…and the truth shall set you free’

>”All truth passes through three stages.
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident.”
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)

>”The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them — except force.” — John Bryant

>”To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>and impossible to ignore.”
>–John Bryant

>Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>office: VISIT at:
>#5 – 1601 – Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>Apt. 3108 – 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>or call: 1-250-616-9431

>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>called a “confessed child-molester” and the additional material
>should give an indication as to the why.

>”I am weary of seeing the issue of “child porn” blown out of
>proportion (I’ve been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I’d consider “child porn.” I’ve
>seen photos of naked children, but then I’ve got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>moral danger to our society).” – Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

>Look at Ken McVay’s photo and ask yourselves; “Does he not look like
>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>even if he or she were not naked”?
>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

>For detailed and documented evidence of McVay’s questionable
>background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael’s
>detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
>to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

>Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>Email me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: [email protected], especially late nights.

>Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787 or
>send lots of emails to: [email protected], or phone to
>work:(780)492-0473

>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>JEW-WATCH:
>http://www.jewwatch.com

>Or, other useful websites include:
>ZUNDELSITE – www.zundelsite.org
>IHR – www.ihr.org
>OSTARA – www.ostara.org
>PAMYAT – http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>Edgar J.Steele – www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>AL JAZEERA – http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>THE HOFFMAN WIRE – Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
> Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
> Subscribe: [email protected]

>Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

>They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

>As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
>victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

>In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>for many years around the world.

>>On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:27:02 -0600, “Robert Sveinson”
>> wrote:
>>>”Roedy Green” wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]
>>>> The Iraqis are hopelessly outgunned, yet to everyone’s surprise that
>>>> tiny country has held the biggest military in the world at bay.

>>>> One of their most successful techniques has been beheadings, and
>>>> releasing videos. This creates maximum horror with minimal loss of
>>>> life.

>>>> I think they could improve on the productions to make clear they are
>>>> in retaliation.

>>>> So I think the next beheading video should be spliced or split screen
>>>> with shots of dozens of people Americans have beheaded with their
>>>> bombs and machine gun fire.

>>>> I think they should branch out from beheadings, partly because
>>>> beheadings are too unreal. They need something the man in the street
>>>> can more relate to.

>>>> I suggest, removing fingernails and toenails, removing or splitting
>>>> the penis, crushing the testicles in a vice, gouging out an eye with
>>>> a popsicle stick, allowing rats to nibble, nails through the hands and
>>>> feet, throwing darts at a target painted on the stomach, rubbing
>>>> rotting dead baby corpse goo over Americans stretched naked and then
>>>> slashing with knives to create gangrenous infections to be
>>>> photographed in stop motion, squeezing lemon juice into wounds.

>>>> Play with common phobias, e.g. spiders, snakes, scorpions, rats,
>>>> heights. E.g. video falling to death from a tall building with cameras
>>>> situated at top, bottom and attached to the victim.

>>>> Since Bush started the sexual abuse, and condones child rape, how
>>>> about killing a man with ever larger things shoved up his ass, pounded
>>>> home with a sledgehammer till he splits like a watermelon.

>>>> Of course any such violence must be justified by showing video of at
>>>> least a dozen instances of Americans doing something similar first.

>>>> “Never in human history have such genocide and cruelty been witnessed.
>>>> Such a genocide was never seen in the time of the pharaohs nor of Hitler
>>>> nor of Mussolini.”
>>>> ~ Mehmet Elkatmi, head of Turkish parliament’s human rights commission
>>>> on Bush’s atrocities in the Iraq war.

>>>> Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
>>>> See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush’s war crimes

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From: Ken McVay
Subject: DIE MACHT DER GLOBALEN JUEDEN-MAFIA!!
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WARNING To People in Austria; Belgium; France; Germany;
Israel; Spain and Switzerland. You can be fined,
imprisoned or both for discussing the topics set
forth in this article.

NOTE: Do not print this out if you reside in Austria;
Belgium; France; Germany; Israel; Spain or Switzerland.

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Subject: DIE MACHT DER GLOBALEN JUDEN-MAFIA
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22.1.2001

DIE MACHT DER GLOBALEN JUDEN-MAFIA

Pardon, was wir genau sagen wollten ist DROGEN-, WAFFEN-,
PORNO- und ABZOCKMAFIA.

Waehrend heutzutage rechte und braune Furze weltweit auf
den Titelseiten der Freimaurerpresse Schlagzeilen
machen, werden andere Meldungen – die tatsaechlich
veruebten Verbrechen der Globalisten und Juden betreffend,
bestenfalls als Minimeldung auf der Chronikseite gebracht.

Der freimaurerisch-judea kontrollierten Medien-Mafia ist
es z.B. gelungen einen blutigen Massenmord und
Massenvergewaltigung in Wichita (USA) an 5 Weisse
durch zwei Neger voellig zu unterdruecken.
Wird jedoch einem Nigger-Drogendealer in Deutschland
auch nur ein Haar gekruemmt, gibt es sofort in allen Medien
einen Proteststurm, Kerzerlmaersche und alle irren
Gruen-Bolschewisten weltweit beginnen schlagartig mit
Lichterketten, Sanktionen und sonstigen Unsinn.

Ein weiteres Beispiel fuer die Macht der Juden-Mafia:
Aus Mexiko wurde heute gemeldet, dass der Ober-Pate
und einer der maechtigsten mexikanischen Drogenbosse,
der Jude Joaquin Guzman aus einem luxurioesen
“Hochsicherheitsgefaengnis” offenbar problemlos
entfliehen konnte. Wie das?

Der Direktor dieses noblen “Etablishments” und weitere
30 Waerter (!) wurden als mutmassliche Fluchthelfer
verhaftet. Eine reine Alibihandlung, denn welcher
Richter oder Polizist dem seine Karriere, sein Leben
oder/und Familie lieb und wert ist, wird der
“Ueberredungskunst” oder/und Scheck eines Mosche
Rothschild oder Sharon Feigenbaum einen Widerstand
entgegensetzen?

Beweis: Die russisch-juedischen Pornohersteller in Moskau,
die zwar pro Forma verhaftet wurden, aber nach drei Tagen
schon wieder ihren Geschaeften im Internet nachgehen konnten.
In russischen Gefaengnissen gibt es offenbar kein koscheres
Essen und keine Synagoge. Das Verbrechen dieser
beschnittenen Ratten aus der ostjuedischen Khasarengosse:
Vor laufender Videokamera wurde Babys zu Tode vergewaltigt
und diese Videos mit horrenden Profiten verkauft, im
Internet angeboten und Teilausschnitte davon (dank
einem juedischen TV-Boss) im italienischen Fernsehen
gezeigt. Eindeutig ein Fall fuer unsere Politiker
auch diese Art von Kulturbereicherung zu foerdern.

Da fast alle globalen Top-Verbrecher und Mafiosi
(egal ob Drogen, Menschen- oder Waffenschoieber oder
Pornokoenige) dieser Erde aus dem auserwaehlten Volk
Gottes stammen, besitzen sie zumeist auch eine israelische
Staatsbuergerschaft. Oder sie geben mitunter auch
vor, Jude zu sein. Wohl wissend, dass Israel nicht
nur der groesste antisemitische und rassistische
Killerstaat der Erde ist, sondern auch das Paradies
fuer jede Art von Dieben, Betrueger, Schwindler,
Spekulanten, Kriegsverbrecher, Holocaust-Luegner
und auch Massenmoerder ist.

Grund genug fuer den oesterreichischen Bundeskanzler
Wolfgang Schuessel und Co. dieses dekadente Volk von
Ganoven und Banditen und ihre menschenrechtswidrigen
Verbrechen (3 Millionen Semiten aus ihrer Heimat vertrieben,
hunderte Tote in wenigen Monaten) mit weiteren
Milliardenbetraegen zu finanzieren. Die Ausbeute
des von “Jahwe auserwaehlten Volk” fuer nur 12 Monate
Erpressung kann sich sehen lassen: 15 Mrd. AS die man
dem Volk und der Wirtschaft frech aus der Tasche stiehlt.

Sei’s wie sei, Oesterreich ist nicht das einizige Opfer
dieser Parasiten, denn auch andere Laender werden von
diesen genetisch kaputten Blutegeln zu Kasse gebeten –
und von der Presse tunlichst verheimlicht.

Mit rund 100 Millionen US$ wird auch Frankreich zur
Kasse gebeten. Geld bekommen auch jene Nachkommen
und Kinder die nur GLAUBEN, dass ihrer Eltern ein Konto
bei einer Bank oder Versicherung hatten. Beweisen
muessen sie als Juden nichts.

Mit rund 4,4 Milliarden wird Deutschland zur Kasse
gebeten. Oder hat man das schon wieder vergessen?
Das inkludiert selbstverstaendlich nicht die laufenden
Geschenke wie zum Beispiel hochmoderne Atom U-Boote.
(damit die Israelis weltweit unbemerkt ihre Bio-Chemischen
voelkervernichtenden Waffen abfeuern koennen)

Und diese Summen inkludieren aber keine Sonderleistungen
wie bezahlte Urlaubsreisen in Luxushotels, Schulen, Synagogen,
und die Pflege der juedischen Friedhoefe bzw.
“Holocaustdenkmaeler” (in Berlin alleine fast 500 und
weltweit werden es sicher bei 10.000 sein).

Und diese Liste des Horrors laesst sich fast endlos fortsetzen.
Nur von den Eskimos am Nordpol, den Buschnegern
Zentralafrikas oder den Kannibalen Borneos wurden
noch keine “Wiedergutmachungen” und “Entschuldigungen”
(spricht Kniefall und Fuesse kuessen) verlangt. Kein Land
der Welt kann heute mehr sicher sein, nicht in den Zangengriff
dieser beschnittenen Raubritter zu gelangen.

Man schaetzt, 300-400 Milliarden US$ an Mafia-Schutzgelder
wurden seit 1948 mit Hilfe der Holocaust-Keule
und Gaskammerschwindel an die Juden bezahlt. Und dieser
Betrag ist sicher nicht zu hoch gegriffen. Wieviele Milliarden
davon allerdings in den Aufbau und Erhalt des organisierten
Verbrechens geflossen sind, kann nur geschaetzt werden.

I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
I like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, PAMYAT, HAMAS or Aryan Nations,etc.

CALL late nights best, or even VISIT me:
Dr Laurence B. Shiff (Nazihunter)
327 Cortleigh Boulevard
Toronto, Ontario M5N 1R2 CA
Tel: 416-785-4574.

alternate

KASPU COM
2788 Bathurst St.
Toronto, Ontario m6b3a3 CA
Tel: 416-789-5691
(FAX) 416-789-5691
E-Mail: [email protected]

My associate in the USA, who is like me, is:
Donald Ray Ellis
aka Pat Blakely/RevWhite/Mike Kalvatis/Rob Stewart ET AL
108 E. Victory Street
Star City, Arkansas 71667
Tel: (870) 628-1437
Email: [email protected]

Posted courtesy of : Paul Kneisel, who likes late
night discussions, even from Christian Identity,
Pamyat, Aryan Nations, Stormfront, HAMAS, etc.
I am together with McVay and L.Schiff,
regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

Ken McVay invites callers to his homosexuals escorts office:
1-250-616-9431
Or, VISIT at:
#5 – 1601 – Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 – 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
called a “confessed child-molester” and the additional material
should give an indication as to the why.

“I am weary of seeing the issue of “child porn” blown out of
proportion (I’ve been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I’d consider “child porn.” I’ve
seen photos of naked children, but then I’ve got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society).” – Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay’s photo and ask yourselves; “Does he not look like
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked”?

http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787 or
send lots of emails to: [email protected], or phone to work:(780)492-0473

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Or, other useful websites include:
National Alliance – www.natvan.com
OSTARA – www.ostara.org
IHR – www.ihr.org
ZUNDELSITE – www.zundelsite.org
AL JAZEERA – http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natvan.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled – as fertiliser!!

“At a time of universal deceit – telling the truth
is a revolutionary act.”
(George Orwell)

David Icke – ‘…and the truth shall set you free’

“All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident.”
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

“The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them — except force.” — John Bryant

“To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
and impossible to ignore.”
–John Bryant

If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit www.freedomsite.org

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay. May he rot in hell.

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:18:04 -0800, Jay wrote:
>Ned Kelly wrote:
>> So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
>> airplane crashes.

>> Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

>> AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

>Did you lose money holding Bombardier shares, or something?

No, I refused to buy anything from Bombardier, after having billions of
taxpayer dollars going to the scammers in Quebec!!

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On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:28:17 +0200, Carla Schneider
wrote:
>Ulrich Heymach wrote:
>> Carla Schneider schrieb:

>> > Des Krieges der dem Deutschen Volk von den Siegermaechten des
>> > ersten Weltkrieges aufgezwungen wurde, nachdem Deutschland den
>> > Versailler Vertrag nicht mehr erfuellte.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjMqw1-hdYE&mode=related&search=
>Wecker sagt nein zur Verfassungsschutzpartei .
>Was nutzt uns das hier ?
>Dir ist doch mehr nach diesem hier:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAh5mfkuAXk
>Oder etwas moderner:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLVMvwptPkY

Etwas klarer:
Harris – Heydrich: Ein Unterschied?

On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 11:19:36 +0100, in de.soc.politik.misc Werner Schneider
wrote:

Nein.

Begründung:

1) Harris wollte soviele Deutsche wie möglich umbringen
lassen, Heydrich soviele Juden wie möglich.

2) Heydrich wollte natürlich auch die jüdische Kultur mit
allem, was dazu gehört, beseitigen. Harris liess bevorzugt
deutsche Innenstädte bombardieren, um soviel deutsche Kultur
wie möglich zu zerstören.

3) Grossbritannien führte gegen das Deutsche Reich einen
selbst erklärten Krieg, dessen Bestandteil “Luftkrieg” mit
grösstmöglicher Grausamkeit geführt wurde. Auch jeder deutsche
Zivilist war Angriffsziel. Für die Nazis waren die Juden
schlechthin Angriffsziel. Es fehlte bei beiden jegliche
Differenzierung nach gut und schlecht, nach erlaubt und
nicht erlaubt. Erlaubt war alles. Sowohl hier wie da.

4) Die Briten gaben und geben vor, gegen ein Verbrecher-
Regime zu kämpfen bzw. gekämpft zu haben und nutzen dieses
Argument als Begründung für ihre brutale Luftkriegsführung.
Es zieht allerdings nicht. Wie kann man 500.000 Zivilisten
töten und sich dann die Hände in Unschuld waschen? Auch
den 500.000 wurde ein Holocaust bereitet. Wenn Harris
gekonnt hätte, wären ihm auch 6 Millionen Recht gewesen.

5) Verbrechen sind Verbrechen, egal, wie man sie begründet.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

6) Worin unterscheiden sich also Harris und Heydrich:
Für Harris wurde in London ein Denkmal errichtet.

Werner

On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 11:19:36 +0100, in de.soc.politik.misc Werner Schneider
wrote:

Nein.

Begründung:

1) Harris wollte soviele Deutsche wie möglich umbringen
lassen, Heydrich soviele Juden wie möglich.

2) Heydrich wollte natürlich auch die jüdische Kultur mit
allem, was dazu gehört, beseitigen. Harris liess bevorzugt
deutsche Innenstädte bombardieren, um soviel deutsche Kultur
wie möglich zu zerstören.

3) Grossbritannien führte gegen das Deutsche Reich einen
selbst erklärten Krieg, dessen Bestandteil “Luftkrieg” mit
grösstmöglicher Grausamkeit geführt wurde. Auch jeder deutsche
Zivilist war Angriffsziel. Für die Nazis waren die Juden
schlechthin Angriffsziel. Es fehlte bei beiden jegliche
Differenzierung nach gut und schlecht, nach erlaubt und
nicht erlaubt. Erlaubt war alles. Sowohl hier wie da.

4) Die Briten gaben und geben vor, gegen ein Verbrecher-
Regime zu kämpfen bzw. gekämpft zu haben und nutzen dieses
Argument als Begründung für ihre brutale Luftkriegsführung.
Es zieht allerdings nicht. Wie kann man 500.000 Zivilisten
töten und sich dann die Hände in Unschuld waschen? Auch
den 500.000 wurde ein Holocaust bereitet. Wenn Harris
gekonnt hätte, wären ihm auch 6 Millionen Recht gewesen.

5) Verbrechen sind Verbrechen, egal, wie man sie begründet.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

6) Worin unterscheiden sich also Harris und Heydrich:
Für Harris wurde in London ein Denkmal errichtet.

Werner

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The neutral Swiss are far more believable than the Christkiller ZYDS!

On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:34:58 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>From: “Salah Jafar” >Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:04:07 GMT

> “Six Million” Untrue According to Neutral Swiss
> It is clear, therefore, that the Germans could not possibly have gained
>control over or exterminated anything like six million Jews.
>Excluding the Soviet Union, the number of Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe after
>emigration was scarcely more than 3 million, by no means
>all of whom were interned. To approach the extermination of even half of six
>million would have meant the liquidation of every Jew living
>in Europe.

> Nothing better illustrates the declining plausibility of the Six Million
>legend than the fact that the prosecution at the Eichmann trial
>deliberately avoided mentioning the figure. Moreover, official Jewish
>estimates of the casualties are being quietly revised downwards. Our
>analysis of the population and emigration statistics, as well as the studies
>by the Swiss “Baseler Nachrichten” and Professor Rassinier,
>demonstrate that it would have been simply impossible for the number of Jewish
>casualties to have exceeded a limit of one and a half million.

> Doubtless, several thousand Jewish people did die in the course of the Second
>World War, but this must be seen in the context of a war
>that cost many millions of innocent victims on all sides. To put the matter in
>perspective, for example, we may point out that 700,000 Russian
>civilians died during the siege of Leningrad, and a total of 2,050,000 German
>civilians were killed in Allied air raids and forced repatriation
>after (Operation Keelhaul) after the war.

> The question most pertinent to the extermination legend is, of course: Ho
>many of the 3 million European Jews, under German control,
>survived after 1945? The Jewish Joint Distribution Committee estimated the
>number of survivors in Europe to be only one and half million,
>but such a figure is now totally unacceptable. This is proven by the growing
>number of Jews calming compensation from the West German
>Government for having allegedly suffered between 1939 and 1945. By 1965, the
>number of these claimants registered with the West German
>Government had tripled in ten years and reached 3,375,000. (Aufbau, June 30th,
>1965)

> Nothing could be a more devastating proof of the brazen fantasy of the Six
>Million. Most of these claimants are Jews, so there can be
>no doubt that the majority of the 3 million Jews who experienced the Nazi
>occupation of Europe are, in fact, very much alive. It is a
>resounding confirmation of the fact that Jewish casualties during the Second
>World War can only be estimated at a figure in thousands

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Subject: Re: Alternatives to Beheading-Good Ways to Eliminate Garbage Such as Fags – Way to reduce Prison Costs! Repost
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:55:40 GMT, Art Franks
wrote:

>A lot of good ideas!

>On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 10:06:56 -0600, Ken McVaySOBC
>wrote:

>Be sure to include for immediate extermination, those judges who have approved
>special rights for the AIDS-spreading fags!!

>In much of Europe, and the Middle East, such disease spreaders get their just
>punishment, which in some cases merits the DP!

>DP=Good Ways to Eliminate Garbage,especially AIDS-spreading fags!!

>This is an old article, which certainly is germane,
>since many US states, and foreign countries are
>starting to agree with the policies of Don Kool.

>There has been much discussion regarding the advantages
>of televising executions.

>A few more thoughts on the subject.

>The State can in fact auction off the rights to each and every
>execution. The proceeds thereof could be allocated to the
>VICTIMS of the criminals executed.

>The victims and their families should have the RIGHT to
>not only determine the method of execution, but should also
>have the right and privilege of executing the criminals themselves.

>Some of the types of criminals meriting execution,
>but not limited to such, would include:

> AIDS spreaders
> rapists
> drug dealers
> home invaders
> armed robbers
> pederasts and similar child molesters
> crooked liars/lawyers
> corrupt judges
> corrupt politicians
> insane anti-DP supporters such as despicable Desi??
> members of parole boards allowing dangerous criminals free
> useless psychiatrists & welfare staff responsible for
> criminals being released
>Additional reasons for meriting the death penalty would include:
> any spreader of any disease,including STD – this would
> obviously include most faggots
> white collar criminals causing losses of more than 100,000
> dollars (just ask senior citizens who have been swindled,
> how they would exterminate those who preyed upon them!!)

>Some popular methods for extermination of such vermin would include:

> crucifixion, as recommended by intphase
> vivisection
> medical experiments without anaesthetic
> target practice for police and military
> beheading
> hanging
> barbecueing by electrocution
> drawing & quartering

>Additional methods of execution have been suggested, such as:
> guillotining, very popular in France
> flaying alive until dead
> stoning to death – popular in some jurisdictions

>More suggestions for both categories are invited.

>>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>>then visit www.freedomsite.org

>>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled – as fertiliser!!

>>”At a time of universal deceit – telling the truth
>>is a revolutionary act.”
>>(George Orwell)

>>David Icke – ‘…and the truth shall set you free’

>>”All truth passes through three stages.
>>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>>and third, it is accepted as self-evident.”
>>(Arthur Schopenhauer)

>>”The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>>against them — except force.” — John Bryant

>>”To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>>and impossible to ignore.”
>>–John Bryant

>>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>>JEW-WATCH:
>>http://www.jewwatch.com

>>Or, other useful websites include:
>>ZUNDELSITE – www.zundelsite.org
>>IHR – www.ihr.org
>>OSTARA – www.ostara.org
>>PAMYAT – http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>>Edgar J.Steele – www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>>AL JAZEERA – http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>>THE HOFFMAN WIRE – Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
>> Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>> Subscribe: [email protected]

>>Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

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Subject: Re: 100 million Ukrainians and Russians were slaughtered by the ZYD commissars
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You are a certifiable piece of merde!!

The murders of almost 100 MILLION UKRAINIANS was in the 1930’s, when the ZYD
KOMMISSARS RAN THE CHEKA & NKVD!!

On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:51:13 +1000, Reargunner wrote:

>In 1920 the Ukrainian was under the White Russian, the communist did not
>take over till afterwards. If you really were from the Ukrainian you
>would know that!

>> > In article ,
>> > [email protected] says…
>> >> The more than 100 MILLION killed by ZYD COMMUNISM in the USSR, far
>> >> outweighs the few hundred thousand ZYDS who died in WWII.

>> >> The 33 millions who perished in the Ukraine alone gave the Ukrainians
>> >> cause to really dislike the ZYD kommissars and their henchmen, when they had a
>> >> chance to retaliate in the Great Patriotic war.

>> >> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:07:02 GMT, [email protected] (DK)
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> >> alejandro de tacobell wrote:
>> >> >>it’s often been said that the holocaust was uniquely horrific while
>> >> >>mass killings under communism was just run-of-the-mill, only on a
>> >> >>larger scale. supposedly, nothing like the holocaust had ever happened
>> >> >>before or since.

>> >> >>jews can criticize, condemn, ridicule, mock, and spit on aspects of
>> >> >>non-jewish culture but we cannot criticize anything about jews, jewish
>> >> >>history, jewish values, jewish influence. this must change.

>> > When the communist took over the Ukrainian, the first ones driven out
>> > were the Jews.

>> Fucking liar! My father’s family were murdered by the Jewish Commissars.
>> When communists took over Ukraine in 1920, 97 out of 103 CHEKA commissars
>> were Jews.

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Today the Canadian dollar nosedived more than 3 cents US, to close at only
$1.03US for a Canadian dollar on the inter-bank rate.

This means that most banks will be lucky to give par, dollar for dollar to
customers.

Just think, that last week the rate had hit $1.10US to a Canadian dollar.

Gues Harpo and his gang must have ordered the Bank of Canada to lower
the exchange rate, somehow, so that Canadian exporters might be able to peddle
their junk overseas, against US products which cost less?

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So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
airplane crashes.

Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7089318.stm

Emirates orders 82 Airbus planes

The latest Emirates deal is worth more than $20bn for Airbus
Emirates has ordered 82 Airbus jets, in a deal worth more than $20bn
(Ł9.6bn) for the European plane-maker.

The Dubai-based airline is buying 70 of Airbus’ mid-sized A350 model,
and 11 Airbus A380 twin-deck super jumbos.

Announced at the start of the Dubai air show, Emirates said the new
planes would play “an important role” in the growth of both the
airline and Dubai.

Emirates added that it also had the option to purchase a further 50
A350 aircraft at a future date.

Rolls-Royce deal

If this additional order goes ahead, the final deal will be worth
about $32bn for Airbus.

Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud
Airbus boss Tom Enders

The latest contract win for Airbus was also good news for British
engine-maker Rolls-Royce, as Emirates has chosen its units to power
the new planes.

It will be worth up to $8.4bn for Rolls-Royce if Emirates does go on
to buy the additional 50 A350 planes.

“Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud,” said
Airbus president and chief executive Tom Enders.

The order is welcome good news for Airbus parent group EADS.

Last week EADS warned it may have to deepen planned restructuring and
job cuts after its losses for the July to September period worsened to
775m euros ($1.14bn; Ł541m), compared with 189m euros last year.

It already plans to cut 10,000 jobs at Airbus over the next four
years.

Airbus designs and makes its wings in the UK.

>The news stories below about Quantas seem to be dated January 2002.

>All the crashes caused by defective landing gear on the Bombardier Q400, are
>being reported in the past few weeks – in other words NOW!!

>When all of Europe is dumping the Bombardier Q400, and suing Bombardier for
>many billions, there is definitely something wrong with Bombardier!

>As well, the media report that there are at least another 2 crashes in Japan
>with the Bombardier Q400 this year.

>Now, the European Safety Agency is demanding a “crisis meeting” with Canadian
>officials, to discuss the risks to European travellers caused by the defective
>Bombardier junk!! In a publicly issued statement, ESA promised to “take all
>measures to ensure the safety of European passengers and citizens”.

>Competitors of Bumbardier, such as EMBRAER, BAC, and the US firms, must really
>be having a field day, now that they can tell potential buyers about all the
>crashes with Bombardier!!

>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:24 -0400, “Paul” wrote:
>>>”Craig Welch” wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]
>>>> Ned Kelly said:

>>>>>As well the European Union are saying that most European airlines are now
>>>>>going to return all the Bombardier aircraft, following a number of crashes in
>>>>>the past few weeks, costing many airlines untold millions in damages due
>>>>>tounsafe Bombardier aircraft. Mind you airlines such as Horizon Air and
>>>>>Quantasstill are flying Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> There are no Quantas Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> Craig http://www.wazu.jp/
>>>> 1,239 Unicode fonts for 82 written language groups:
>>>> Price your own web plan: http://www.wazu.jp/hosting/
>>>I believe you are incorrect.

>>>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3078/is_200201/ai_n7819747

>>>http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/index.cfm?story=ON-20071022-000552-1606

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Today the Canadian dollar nosedived more than 3 cents US, to close at only
$1.03US for a Canadian dollar on the inter-bank rate.

This means that most banks will be lucky to give par, dollar for dollar to
customers.

Just think, that last week the rate had hit $1.10US to a Canadian dollar.

Guess Harpo and his gang must have ordered the Bank of Canada to lower
the exchange rate, somehow, so that Canadian exporters might be able to
peddle their junk overseas, against US products which cost less?

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:05:55 -0000, “Rodrick Jones Jr.”
wrote:
>On Nov 12, 12:46 pm, “Mike W.” wrote:
>> Hey all I did was warn a potential pedestrian that I might have an issue
>> with some of the mechanical componentry in my vehicle. That’s all.

>> Ignoring him was easier until I started getting emails from the CRA and Dell
>> canvassing me for more information.

Confirming that G has highly placed contacts at CRA and Dell, who have dealt
with him, in both cases, for nearly 30 years, profitably.

>> “Usenet Poster” wrote in message

>> news:[email protected]

>> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:03:49 GMT, “Mike W.”
>> > wrote:

>> >>In the meantime, Bill? Watch when you’re crossing the street. My brakes
>> >>might not work.

>> >>Mike W.

>> > Regardless of what kind of scum you’re talking about, you do realize
>> > that the above statement could get YOU in a lot of trouble right?

>> > Ignore the waste of skin and eventually he’ll get tired and go away.
>> > He continues to post here because people reply to him and he feeds off
>> > it.

>> > Remember the Simpsons Treehouse Of Horror episode?

>Sorry Mike, I no longer Buy or Sell on this group, as I am in the
>process of moving back home to Chicago.

In other words, Rod is fleeing to Chicago, just ahead of the Edmonton Police,
and CRA.

However, in Chicago the IRS pay a reward to those turning in tax frauds.
Under IRS law, you must declare all world income, including all documentation
>from computer sales in Canada.

Copies of all your ads are now being sent to Chicago IRS Prosecutions office,
so Rod, you now must pay tax in the USA on all the Canadian sales, per all
your ads.

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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:12:50 -0000, “Rodrick Jones Jr.”
wrote:
>On Nov 12, 9:42 pm, Ned Kelly wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:05:55 -0000, “Rodrick Jones Jr.”
>> wrote:
>> >On Nov 12, 12:46 pm, “Mike W.” wrote:
>> >> Hey all I did was warn a potential pedestrian that I might have an issue
>> >> with some of the mechanical componentry in my vehicle. That’s all.
>> >> Ignoring him was easier until I started getting emails from the CRA and Dell
>> >> canvassing me for more information.

>> Confirming that G has highly placed contacts at CRA and Dell, who have dealt
>> with him, in both cases, for nearly 30 years, profitably.

>> >> “Usenet Poster” wrote in message
>> >>news:[email protected]
>> >> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:03:49 GMT, “Mike W.”
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>In the meantime, Bill? Watch when you’re crossing the street. My brakes
>> >> >>might not work.
>> >> >>Mike W.
>> >> > Regardless of what kind of scum you’re talking about, you do realize
>> >> > that the above statement could get YOU in a lot of trouble right?
>> >> > Ignore the waste of skin and eventually he’ll get tired and go away.
>> >> > He continues to post here because people reply to him and he feeds off
>> >> > it.
>> >> > Remember the Simpsons Treehouse Of Horror episode?
>> >Sorry Mike, I no longer Buy or Sell on this group, as I am in the
>> >process of moving back home to Chicago.

>> In other words, Rod is fleeing to Chicago, just ahead of the Edmonton Police,
>> and CRA.

>> However, in Chicago the IRS pay a reward to those turning in tax frauds.
>> Under IRS law, you must declare all world income, including all documentation
>> from computer sales in Canada.

>> Copies of all your ads are now being sent to Chicago IRS Prosecutions office,
>> so Rod, you now must pay tax in the USA on all the Canadian sales, per all
>> your ads.

IRS – Criminal Investigations are being given copies of all your ads for sales
of goods in canada.

You can expect visits from them.

Section of the relevant IRS rules:
How Do You Report Suspected Tax Fraud Activity?

If you suspect or know of an individual or company that is not complying with
the tax laws, you may report this activity by completing Form 3949-A. You may
fill out Form 3949-A online, print it and mail it to:

Internal Revenue Service
Fresno, CA 93888

If you do not wish to use Form 3949-A, you may send a letter to the address
above. Please include the following information, if available:

*
Name and address of the person you are reporting
*
The taxpayer identification number (social security number for an
individual or employer identification number for a business)
*
A brief description of the alleged violation, including how you became
aware of or obtained the information
*
The years involved
*
The estimated dollar amount of any unreported income
*
Your name, address and daytime telephone number

Although you are not required to identify yourself, it is helpful to do so.
Your identity can be kept confidential. You may also be entitled to a reward.

And, Dell will provide the IRS with info on all your income they paid you in
Canada as well.

By the way, do you have a Green Card, or will the INS have to deport you?

>Actually I transferred to Dell in Chicago, to be close to my sick
>father. And spend all this Canadian Money I made!!!!!

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In the Edmonton Journal for today is a Letter to the Editor.
The writer states that after many generations of being a resiedent,
he and his family have finally had enough of the insane tax increases.

he and his family will be leaving, for a more sane community where
taxes are used only for essential services, rather than for benefiting
friends of council.

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:26:04 -0800, “Mr. Smartypants”
wrote:

>On Nov 11, 8:04 pm, Ned Kelly wrote:
>> City Council is inviting comments on their crooked budget proposals of
>> 10% when inflation only around 4%!
>> Public hearings will be held soon.
>> If you want to give them a piece of your mind, Sharx and others,
>> call the City Clerk at 496-8178 , or Complaint Center 496-8200

>> Let the bottom-feeders know that enough is enough!!

>> The clowns and crooks mismanaging Deadmonton want to hike taxes by
>> at least 10%, PLUS hike a lot of service charges!!

>> This is not necessary, were the city to honestly get value for the
>> taxpayer dollars.

>> For example:
>> Why should taxpayers be giving $4.8 million a year to the millionaires
>> running the Deadmonton Oilers? Don’t forget each so-called player
>> thug is getting paid a minimum of $600,000!

>> Why is the city giving more than $6 million a year to EDE which has no
>> results, while the Chamber of Commerce which does bring in new
>> businesses does so without city funding?

>> Why is the city paying $5 millions plus for the Leduc Airport, when they
>> have no good flights to Europe or Asia, since this airport got blackballed
>> by airlines because of the management?

>> The city wasted more than $600,000 it did not have, nor was it budgeted,
>> in connection with the car race this past July, involving Triple5,
>> a for-profit business!!

>> By the way, is it true, that WEM is being DELIBERATELY UNDER-ASSESSED
>> BY MANY TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS?

>> Has the City Auditor checked the ASSESSMENT against all the financing on WEM?

>> Financial mismanagement abounds, in the city tax department, which in
>> one example alone, allowed a MASSIVE UNDERASSESSMENT OF
>> HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, for 8 years, on one property, located at
>> 13723 – 93 St.
>> Why does the city not prosecute and FIRE the tax department staffer
>> responsible?

>> Why should taxpayers have to pay so many millions for the disgraceful
>> proposal for an unwanted Art Gallery, when essential services such as
>> roads need fixing?

>> If the city got out of the after-school daycare and daycare subsidies,
>> which are both the responsibilites of the Provinvial government, another
>> $12 million can be saved off the backs of taxpayers.

>> Then there is the million and more squandered on the clowns in the Police
>> Commission!

>> Notice that the city has consistently opposed MBO, PBB and similar
>> programs to determine the necessity, and usefulness of city expenditures,
>> because city mismangement know that many of their wasteful practices would
>> result in many terminations of employment.

>> The local police farce WASTES $1 MILLION. More than a million dollars can be
>> cut from the police budget, by firing the 9 overpaid hacks and flacks in the
>> PR section. while at the same time the handful of senior cops get paid another
>> million$!!
>> For what is paid the chief and senior officers, they should be functionally
>> literate in the English language, to speak for themselves, instead of using
>> an overpaid mouthpiece!

>> Millions more can be eliminated from the police budget by getting rid of
>> the glorified toy, called the copper chopper! These funds could then be
>> used to hire some HONEST COPS, for actual community policing.

>> Who can forget the astronomic kickbacks/payoff to all the disgraced
>> terminated police chiefs!! Adding in their fantastic pensions, these cost
>> the taxpapyers more millions of dollars!

>> And do not forget all the criminal convictions of so many crooked cops,
>> paid by the taxpayers!!

>> Sharx, and Grosvenor, care to add a few more examples of financial WASTE
>> by Deadmonton, so that perhaps Nickel and Leibovici can perhaps rein in
>> the mare and the rest of the jackasses?

>> It is time to fire those useless members of the city administration.
>> And Lowry of EPCOR should also be fired, for costing taxpayers an extra
>> $450,000 for late payment of taxes to Leduc!!

>> It is time to eliminate those services not the responsibility of the
>> city – including sports, arts, multicult – which are FEDERAL/Provincial
>> responsibilities!!

>> It is time to get value for our tax dollars, rather than believing all the
>> lies from council and city managers.
>> IF INFLATION IS ONLY 4%, THEN TAX HIKES SHOULD NOT BE ANY HIGHER THAN 2%!
>> Further, with assessment values on homes increasing, plus a tax hike,
>> seniors will no longer be able to afford to keep their homes!!

>> It is time for our pampered Jew Mayor to think about the average taxpayer,
>> instead of the elites whom he wants to subsidize at taxpayer expense.

>> It is time for taxpayers to say, WE DO NOT WANT TO GET JEWED ANY LONGER!!

>> Don’t forget, these are the same SLIME, WHO GAVE THEMSELVES A PAY HIKE OF
>> OVER 30%, without the consent of the taxpayers or voters!!

>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit www.freedomsite.org

>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled – as fertiliser!!

>> “At a time of universal deceit – telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act.”
>> (George Orwell)

>> David Icke – ‘…and the truth shall set you free’

>> “All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident.”
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)

>> “The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them — except force.” — John Bryant

>> “To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore.”
>> John Bryant

>> TOLERANCE is a virtue of a man WITHOUT convictions.
>> G. K. Chesterton.

>> We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>> Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>> We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>> We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

>> Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>> office: VISIT at:
>> #5 – 1601 – Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>> Apt. 3108 – 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>> or call: 1-250-616-9431

>> As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>> called a “confessed child-molester” and the additional material
>> should give an indication as to the why.

>> “I am weary of seeing the issue of “child porn” blown out of
>> proportion (I’ve been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>> yet to come across anything I’d consider “child porn.” I’ve
>> seen photos of naked children, but then I’ve got some of those in
>> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>> moral danger to our society).” – Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html[Many paedophiles
>> also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

>> Look at Ken McVay’s photo and ask yourselves; “Does he not look like
>> a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>> even if he or she were not naked”?
>> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

>> For detailed and documented evidence of McVay’s questionable
>> background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael’s
>> detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>> known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>> It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
>> to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

>> Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>> NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>> Email me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavi…@verizon.net, especially late
>> nights.

>> Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>> Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>> I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787

>> For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>> JEW-WATCH:http://www.jewwatch.com

>> Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>> NAZIS – another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case – no wonder
>> people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

>> Or, other useful websites include:
>> ZUNDELSITE -www.zundelsite.org
>> IHR -www.ihr.org
>> OSTARA -www.ostara.org
>> PAMYAT -http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>> Edgar J.Steele -www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>> AL JAZEERA -http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>> THE HOFFMAN WIRE – Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
>> Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>> Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscr…@topica.com

>> Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE :http://www.natall.com
>> They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
>>
>> They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>> and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

>Nothing concrete will happen until the people march to city hall with
>pitchforks and torches and haul the bastards out to the hangin’ tree.

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Today the Canadian dollar nosedived more than 3 cents US, to close at only
$1.03US for a Canadian dollar on the inter-bank rate.

This means that most banks will be lucky to give par, dollar for dollar to
customers.

Just think, that last week the rate had hit $1.10US to a Canadian dollar.

Gues Harpo and his gang must have ordered the Bank of Canada to lower
the exchange rate, somehow, so that Canadian exporters might be able to peddle
their junk overseas, against US products which cost less?

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Today the Canadian dollar nosedived more than 3 cents US, to close at only
$1.03US for a Canadian dollar on the inter-bank rate.

This means that most banks will be lucky to give par, dollar for dollar to
customers.

Just think, that last week the rate had hit $1.10US to a Canadian dollar.

Guess Harpo and his gang must have ordered the Bank of Canada to lower
the exchange rate, somehow, so that Canadian exporters might be able to
peddle their junk overseas, against US products which cost less?

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Today the Canadian dollar nosedived more than 3 cents US, to close at only
$1.03US for a Canadian dollar on the inter-bank rate.

This means that most banks will be lucky to give par, dollar for dollar to
customers.

Just think, that last week the rate had hit $1.10US to a Canadian dollar.

Gues Harpo and his gang must have ordered the Bank of Canada to lower
the exchange rate, somehow, so that Canadian exporters might be able to peddle
their junk overseas, against US products which cost less?

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Subject: Bombardier Q400 Aircraft UNSAFE – Too Many Crashes – Europe & Japan!! Airbus Get Another 82 Orders!!
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So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
airplane crashes.

Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7089318.stm

Emirates orders 82 Airbus planes

The latest Emirates deal is worth more than $20bn for Airbus
Emirates has ordered 82 Airbus jets, in a deal worth more than $20bn
(Ł9.6bn) for the European plane-maker.

The Dubai-based airline is buying 70 of Airbus’ mid-sized A350 model,
and 11 Airbus A380 twin-deck super jumbos.

Announced at the start of the Dubai air show, Emirates said the new
planes would play “an important role” in the growth of both the
airline and Dubai.

Emirates added that it also had the option to purchase a further 50
A350 aircraft at a future date.

Rolls-Royce deal

If this additional order goes ahead, the final deal will be worth
about $32bn for Airbus.

Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud
Airbus boss Tom Enders

The latest contract win for Airbus was also good news for British
engine-maker Rolls-Royce, as Emirates has chosen its units to power
the new planes.

It will be worth up to $8.4bn for Rolls-Royce if Emirates does go on
to buy the additional 50 A350 planes.

“Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud,” said
Airbus president and chief executive Tom Enders.

The order is welcome good news for Airbus parent group EADS.

Last week EADS warned it may have to deepen planned restructuring and
job cuts after its losses for the July to September period worsened to
775m euros ($1.14bn; Ł541m), compared with 189m euros last year.

It already plans to cut 10,000 jobs at Airbus over the next four
years.

Airbus designs and makes its wings in the UK.

>The news stories below about Quantas seem to be dated January 2002.

>All the crashes caused by defective landing gear on the Bombardier Q400, are
>being reported in the past few weeks – in other words NOW!!

>When all of Europe is dumping the Bombardier Q400, and suing Bombardier for
>many billions, there is definitely something wrong with Bombardier!

>As well, the media report that there are at least another 2 crashes in Japan
>with the Bombardier Q400 this year.

>Now, the European Safety Agency is demanding a “crisis meeting” with Canadian
>officials, to discuss the risks to European travellers caused by the defective
>Bombardier junk!! In a publicly issued statement, ESA promised to “take all
>measures to ensure the safety of European passengers and citizens”.

>Competitors of Bumbardier, such as EMBRAER, BAC, and the US firms, must really
>be having a field day, now that they can tell potential buyers about all the
>crashes with Bombardier!!

>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:24 -0400, “Paul” wrote:
>>>”Craig Welch” wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]
>>>> Ned Kelly said:

>>>>>As well the European Union are saying that most European airlines are now
>>>>>going to return all the Bombardier aircraft, following a number of crashes in
>>>>>the past few weeks, costing many airlines untold millions in damages due
>>>>>tounsafe Bombardier aircraft. Mind you airlines such as Horizon Air and
>>>>>Quantasstill are flying Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> There are no Quantas Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> Craig http://www.wazu.jp/
>>>> 1,239 Unicode fonts for 82 written language groups:
>>>> Price your own web plan: http://www.wazu.jp/hosting/
>>>I believe you are incorrect.

>>>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3078/is_200201/ai_n7819747

>>>http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/index.cfm?story=ON-20071022-000552-1606

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Today the Canadian dollar nosedived more than 3 cents US, to close at only
$1.03US for a Canadian dollar on the inter-bank rate.

This means that most banks will be lucky to give par, dollar for dollar to
customers.

Just think, that last week the rate had hit $1.10US to a Canadian dollar.

Guess Harpo and his gang must have ordered the Bank of Canada to lower
the exchange rate, somehow, so that Canadian exporters might be able to
peddle their junk overseas, against US products which cost less?

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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:44:53 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:
>On Aug 17, 2:12 am, TurkeyBoy wrote:
>> On Aug 17, 10:06 am, oneeyewo…@gmail.com wrote:

>> > It’s getting really really pathetic when “revisionists” start to
>> > accuse Mr. McVay pedophile. They have nothing proofs against Nizkor,
>> > so that’s why they do such disgusting accusations.

>> > Shame on you.-

>> McVay could sue the people who call him a pedophile. Why doesn’t he?

>1. The purpose of a civil suit is to have the defendant compensate the
>plaintiff for damages he caused.

>2.It is unlikely that Ken could prove any such financial loss
>occurred.

Since he was an unemployable gas station attendant, now involved in an
international income tax fraud, how can he show a legal financial loss?

>3. It is even less likely that the people who call him that name have
>any money with which to pay such a judgement.

4. The defendants would be entitled to introduce into evidence any and all
unsavoury aspects of McVay’s life, which may include any and all evidence of
moral turpitude.

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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:18:29 -0400, wrote:

>Is Ken McVay possibly a Holocaust Profiteer?

>McVay’s picture: http://tinyurl.com/36bbup

The official picture of McVay, disgusting as it is, is available at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

>Could Nizkor be a complete scam?

Better to read the Dr.David Michael expose of Ken McVay, the unemployed gas
pump attendant.

> Ken McVay has appeared to be soliciting money to support himself,
>under the premise of “raising awareness” of the Holocaust. Can anyone point
>out any other source of income? Is not the thought anyone profiting from the
>Holocaust entirely abhorrent?

> Since the end of The Second World War, the Holocaust has been documented
>by governments, universities, and media outlets. It is and always will be an
>obvious fact. By pointing out “Hatemongers”, he seems to reveals that he,
>himself is a man of intolerance and hate. He appears to be driven to
>denounce and silence anyone whose beliefs runs contrary to his own. He has
>lurked on email lists of these so-called hate groups. Nizkor could not have
>recorded these email without lurking as a spy on that list) I ask Ken now,
>”What is it to you what other people say to themselves in a closed
>conversation? Not realizing that many of these people are using the list as
>a cathartic release for their own frustrations. In this politically correct
>world, it may feel good to some to just let it all out. These lists were
>not used for plotting hate crimes, but were used for the intellectual and
>non-intellectual venting of frustrations. I, personally was on one because
>I had felt that I need to express my anger against my own father, who is
>Jewish. I felt that he had not taken the proper steps to have my mother
>screened for cancer. She died in 1996 of colon cancer that had attacked her
>liver. My mother was Japanese. I always felt my father never really liked
>me because I was of a different race. I always had to be achieving, If I
>wasn’t, I did not exist to him. He had told me on many occasions how his
>family had objected to his marrying my mother. I wanted to be something
>entirely different. I wanted to experience what is was like to be a “regular
>white guy”.

> One day on the list someone wrote about a man that was lurking on the
>list and then converting the text into newsgroup messages that essentially
>would be publicly posted forever. Not knowing who he exactly was, I decided
>to give him some additional material to read. I signed up his email address
>to 800 Netcom email lists. It was a dumb thing to do. McVay’s posting of
>the incident has misrepresented who I really am, and has hurt my reputation.

>It is very difficult to fight this because he is on the far side of the
>continent in another country:

>2301 Arbor Rd
>Ste 36
>Nanaimo, BC Canada
>V9R 5K3

>(250) 753-6762

> He resides there with his school teacher wife and young adult daughter.

> Apparently Mr. McVay wants me to suffer forever. So, I’m posting my
>story, and my opinion on what he is all about. It’s the only thing I can do.
>His provider Vex.net in Toronto tells me there is nothing they can do. It
>is interesting that they have a regulation against mass posting to
>newsgroups, yet that’s precisely what he seemed to be doing with the email
>list I was on.. Maybe Vex.net had made the rule after receiving complaints
>about him.

> Is it possible that Ken McVay preys on the nightmares of the living
>Holocaust survivors? Does he have them believe that with out his help, the
>vast losses of life will not be forgotten?

> Many elderly people have a hard time understanding the Internet for what
>it is and for what it isn’t. They may not realize how inexpensive a website
>really is. They would be horrified by the news that some how the Holocaust
>will be distorted and forgotten.

> In the U.S., speech is protected by the 1st amendment of the Bill of
>Rights. Thus I feel confident stating my story about how I am effected each
>day by the actions of a seemingly malicious, angry man, Ken McVay. I
>understand he is a former American citizen, so he should be very aware of
>how things work on this side of the border. He should realize it just
>doesn’t protect the politically correct.

>Perhaps, this will finally get his attention, and encourage him to come to a
>reasonable conclusion to all of this.

>–Jeff Dranetz – [email protected]

>https://nizkor.org/league-donation.html

>Yet, he seems to be using the money collected to live off of.

>Here are his claimed goals:

>https://nizkor.org/objectives.html

>In contrast to our ideological opponents, the Nizkor Project has a
>completely open and visible agenda. We enumerate our goals below, in no
>particular order:

> a.. To monitor the falsehoods, half-truths, and misinformation distributed
>via the Internet and other media by individuals and organizations that are
>fascist (including Nazi or neo-Nazi), racist, antisemitic, and/or that
>dishonestly and/or flagrantly reject established historical fact about the
>Nazi Holocaust;
> b.. to refute or otherwise reply to those falsehoods, half-truths, and
>misinformation, with the aim of ensuring that they and their proponents
>remain firmly in the margin;
> c.. to encourage, assist, and engage in such refutation by sponsoring and
>organizing collaborative research and writing efforts of both amateurs and
>experts around the world, including but not limited to historians,
>war-crimes prosecutors, lawyers, and witnesses, and/or to distribute such
>refutation;
> d.. to encourage a critical and skeptical awareness of history, science,
>and the acquisition of human knowledge generally, so as to foster a frame of
>mind which recognizes such falsehoods, half-truths, and misinformation for
>what they are;
> e.. to seek, solicit, and archive, for worldwide electronic access free of
>charge, material that deals with the phenomenon and history of hate,
>especially the Nazi Holocaust, material that documents and exposes such
>hate, and nonviolent methods and tools for combating such hate.
> a.. to attempt to buttress democratic institutions against the campaign of
>destruction and disinformation being waged by hatemongers in electronic
>forums, principally on the Internet;
> b.. to provide teachers, from grade schools through universities, with
>curricula to bolster democratic, multicultural, and multiracial
>institutions;
> c.. to speak to or otherwise educate students, teachers, fraternal
>organizations, church groups, police forces, and any other interested
>groups, about the propaganda campaigns of racist and antidemocratic
>individuals and organizations conducted through computer networks, and about
>which nonviolent methods and tools are effective and ineffective in
>combating them.

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On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:06:52 -0600, “catfish2006”
wrote:

>The tip line for ICE / Dept. of Homeland Security to report illegal
>aliens is 1-866-DHS-2ICE. Go to these web sites, join up and send as
>many faxes or emails as you can. Pass it along to everyone you know.
>Don’t wait, do it NOW!
>http://www.numbersusa.com
>http://www.capsweb.org
>http://www.fairus.org
>http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com
>http://anti-illegalimmigrationevents.com/
>http://latinoamericans.org
>http://www.dontspeakforme.org/
>http://www.chooseblackamerica.com/
>http://www.minutemanproject.com
>http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/
>http://www.americanpatrol.com
>http://www.americanborderpatrol.com/
>http://www.ccir.net
>http://www.mothersagainstillegalaliens.org/
>http://www.teamamericapac.org/
>http://www.thewakeupamericafoundation.com/
>http://www.wehategringos.com
>http://www.saveourstate.org
>http://www.wehirealiens.com/
>http://www.reportillegals.com/
>www.illegalemployers.org
>http://www.Vdare.com
>http://www.protectourborder.net
>http://www.send-a-brick.com
>http://www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2006/featuredraces.html
>http://www.noinvaders.org/home.shtml
>http://www.unitetofight.org
>http://www.forthecause.us
>http://www.illegalaliens.us
>http://usaborderalert.com
>http://firecoalition.com
>http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html
>http://www.illegalimmigrationjournal.com/index.cfm
>http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/
>http://www.alipac.us
>http://www.unitedpatriotsofamerica.com
>http://www.thedustininmansociety.org
>http://www.unitedstates.fm
>http://www.minuteman.tv
>http://www.frostywooldridge.com/
>http://www.englishfirst.org/
>http://www.proenglish.org/
>http://www.usenglish.org
>www.oregonir.org
>http://www.ifire.org
>http://mfire.org
>http://www.usaforamericans.com

>Crime Victims of Illegal Aliens http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpomTIkv0V8

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:12:50 -0000, “Rodrick Jones Jr.”
wrote:
>On Nov 12, 9:42 pm, Ned Kelly wrote:

>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:05:55 -0000, “Rodrick Jones Jr.”
>> wrote:

>> >On Nov 12, 12:46 pm, “Mike W.” wrote:
>> >> Hey all I did was warn a potential pedestrian that I might have an issue
>> >> with some of the mechanical componentry in my vehicle. That’s all.
>> >> Ignoring him was easier until I started getting emails from the CRA and Dell
>> >> canvassing me for more information.

>> Confirming that G has highly placed contacts at CRA and Dell, who have dealt
>> with him, in both cases, for nearly 30 years, profitably.

>> >> “Usenet Poster” wrote in message
>> >>news:[email protected]
>> >> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:03:49 GMT, “Mike W.”
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>In the meantime, Bill? Watch when you’re crossing the street. My brakes
>> >> >>might not work.
>> >> >>Mike W.
>> >> > Regardless of what kind of scum you’re talking about, you do realize
>> >> > that the above statement could get YOU in a lot of trouble right?
>> >> > Ignore the waste of skin and eventually he’ll get tired and go away.

>> >Sorry Mike, I no longer Buy or Sell on this group, as I am in the
>> >process of moving back home to Chicago.

>> In other words, Rod is fleeing to Chicago, just ahead of the Edmonton Police,
>> and CRA.

>> However, in Chicago the IRS pay a reward to those turning in tax frauds.
>> Under IRS law, you must declare all world income, including all documentation
>> from computer sales in Canada.

>> Copies of all your ads are now being sent to Chicago IRS Prosecutions office,
>> so Rod, you now must pay tax in the USA on all the Canadian sales, per all
>> your ads.

IRS – Criminal Investigations are being given copies of all your ads for sales
of goods in Canada.

You can expect visits from them.

Section of the relevant IRS rules:
How Do You Report Suspected Tax Fraud Activity?

If you suspect or know of an individual or company that is not complying with
the tax laws, you may report this activity by completing Form 3949-A. You may
fill out Form 3949-A online, print it and mail it to:

Internal Revenue Service
Fresno, CA 93888

If you do not wish to use Form 3949-A, you may send a letter to the address
above. Please include the following information, if available:

*
Name and address of the person you are reporting
*
The taxpayer identification number (social security number for an
individual or employer identification number for a business)
*
A brief description of the alleged violation, including how you became
aware of or obtained the information
*
The years involved
*
The estimated dollar amount of any unreported income
*
Your name, address and daytime telephone number

Although you are not required to identify yourself, it is helpful to do so.
Your identity can be kept confidential. You may also be entitled to a reward.

And, Dell will provide the IRS with info on all your income they paid you in
Canada as well.

By the way, do you have a Green Card, or will the INS have to deport you?

>Actually I transferred to Dell in Chicago, to be close to my sick
>father. And spend all this Canadian Money I made!!!!!

Guess the IRS will be making lots of money off you, like they did with Capone.

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In the Edmonton Journal for today is a Letter to the Editor.
The writer states that after many generations of being a resiedent,
he and his family have finally had enough of the insane tax increases.

He and his family will be leaving, for a more sane community where
taxes are used only for essential services, rather than for benefiting
friends of council.

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:26:04 -0800, “Mr. Smartypants”
wrote:

>On Nov 11, 8:04 pm, Ned Kelly wrote:
>> City Council is inviting comments on their crooked budget proposals of
>> 10% when inflation only around 4%!
>> Public hearings will be held soon.
>> If you want to give them a piece of your mind, Sharx and others,
>> call the City Clerk at 496-8178 , or Complaint Center 496-8200

>> Let the bottom-feeders know that enough is enough!!

>> The clowns and crooks mismanaging Deadmonton want to hike taxes by
>> at least 10%, PLUS hike a lot of service charges!!

>> This is not necessary, were the city to honestly get value for the
>> taxpayer dollars.

>> For example:
>> Why should taxpayers be giving $4.8 million a year to the millionaires
>> running the Deadmonton Oilers? Don’t forget each so-called player
>> thug is getting paid a minimum of $600,000!

>> Why is the city giving more than $6 million a year to EDE which has no
>> results, while the Chamber of Commerce which does bring in new
>> businesses does so without city funding?

>> Why is the city paying $5 millions plus for the Leduc Airport, when they
>> have no good flights to Europe or Asia, since this airport got blackballed
>> by airlines because of the management?

>> The city wasted more than $600,000 it did not have, nor was it budgeted,
>> in connection with the car race this past July, involving Triple5,
>> a for-profit business!!

>> By the way, is it true, that WEM is being DELIBERATELY UNDER-ASSESSED
>> BY MANY TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS?

>> Has the City Auditor checked the ASSESSMENT against all the financing on WEM?

>> Financial mismanagement abounds, in the city tax department, which in
>> one example alone, allowed a MASSIVE UNDERASSESSMENT OF
>> HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, for 8 years, on one property, located at
>> 13723 – 93 St.
>> Why does the city not prosecute and FIRE the tax department staffer
>> responsible?

>> Why should taxpayers have to pay so many millions for the disgraceful
>> proposal for an unwanted Art Gallery, when essential services such as
>> roads need fixing?

>> If the city got out of the after-school daycare and daycare subsidies,
>> which are both the responsibilites of the Provinvial government, another
>> $12 million can be saved off the backs of taxpayers.

>> Then there is the million and more squandered on the clowns in the Police
>> Commission!

>> Notice that the city has consistently opposed MBO, PBB and similar
>> programs to determine the necessity, and usefulness of city expenditures,
>> because city mismangement know that many of their wasteful practices would
>> result in many terminations of employment.

>> The local police farce WASTES $1 MILLION. More than a million dollars can be
>> cut from the police budget, by firing the 9 overpaid hacks and flacks in the
>> PR section. while at the same time the handful of senior cops get paid another
>> million$!!
>> For what is paid the chief and senior officers, they should be functionally
>> literate in the English language, to speak for themselves, instead of using
>> an overpaid mouthpiece!

>> Millions more can be eliminated from the police budget by getting rid of
>> the glorified toy, called the copper chopper! These funds could then be
>> used to hire some HONEST COPS, for actual community policing.

>> Who can forget the astronomic kickbacks/payoff to all the disgraced
>> terminated police chiefs!! Adding in their fantastic pensions, these cost
>> the taxpapyers more millions of dollars!

>> And do not forget all the criminal convictions of so many crooked cops,
>> paid by the taxpayers!!

>> Sharx, and Grosvenor, care to add a few more examples of financial WASTE
>> by Deadmonton, so that perhaps Nickel and Leibovici can perhaps rein in
>> the mare and the rest of the jackasses?

>> It is time to fire those useless members of the city administration.
>> And Lowry of EPCOR should also be fired, for costing taxpayers an extra
>> $450,000 for late payment of taxes to Leduc!!

>> It is time to eliminate those services not the responsibility of the
>> city – including sports, arts, multicult – which are FEDERAL/Provincial
>> responsibilities!!

>> It is time to get value for our tax dollars, rather than believing all the
>> lies from council and city managers.
>> IF INFLATION IS ONLY 4%, THEN TAX HIKES SHOULD NOT BE ANY HIGHER THAN 2%!
>> Further, with assessment values on homes increasing, plus a tax hike,
>> seniors will no longer be able to afford to keep their homes!!

>> It is time for our pampered Jew Mayor to think about the average taxpayer,
>> instead of the elites whom he wants to subsidize at taxpayer expense.

>> It is time for taxpayers to say, WE DO NOT WANT TO GET JEWED ANY LONGER!!

>> Don’t forget, these are the same SLIME, WHO GAVE THEMSELVES A PAY HIKE OF
>> OVER 30%, without the consent of the taxpayers or voters!!

>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit www.freedomsite.org

>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled – as fertiliser!!

>> “At a time of universal deceit – telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act.”
>> (George Orwell)

>> David Icke – ‘…and the truth shall set you free’

>> “All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident.”
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)

>> “The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them — except force.” — John Bryant

>> “To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore.”
>> John Bryant

>> TOLERANCE is a virtue of a man WITHOUT convictions.
>> G. K. Chesterton.

>> We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>> Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>> We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>> We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

>> Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>> office: VISIT at:
>> #5 – 1601 – Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>> Apt. 3108 – 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>> or call: 1-250-616-9431

>> As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>> called a “confessed child-molester” and the additional material
>> should give an indication as to the why.

>> “I am weary of seeing the issue of “child porn” blown out of
>> proportion (I’ve been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>> yet to come across anything I’d consider “child porn.” I’ve
>> seen photos of naked children, but then I’ve got some of those in
>> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>> moral danger to our society).” – Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html[Many paedophiles
>> also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

>> Look at Ken McVay’s photo and ask yourselves; “Does he not look like
>> a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>> even if he or she were not naked”?
>> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

>> For detailed and documented evidence of McVay’s questionable
>> background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael’s
>> detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>> known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>> It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
>> to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

>> Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>> NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>> Email me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavi…@verizon.net, especially late
>> nights.

>> Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>> Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>> I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787

>> For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>> JEW-WATCH:http://www.jewwatch.com

>> Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>> NAZIS – another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case – no wonder
>> people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

>> Or, other useful websites include:
>> ZUNDELSITE -www.zundelsite.org
>> IHR -www.ihr.org
>> OSTARA -www.ostara.org
>> PAMYAT -http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>> Edgar J.Steele -www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>> AL JAZEERA -http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>> THE HOFFMAN WIRE – Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
>> Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>> Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscr…@topica.com

>> Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE :http://www.natall.com
>> They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
>>
>> They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>> and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

>Nothing concrete will happen until the people march to city hall with
>pitchforks and torches and haul the bastards out to the hangin’ tree.

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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:44:53 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:
>On Aug 17, 2:12 am, TurkeyBoy wrote:
>> On Aug 17, 10:06 am, oneeyewo…@gmail.com wrote:

>> > It’s getting really really pathetic when “revisionists” start to
>> > accuse Mr. McVay pedophile. They have nothing proofs against Nizkor,
>> > so that’s why they do such disgusting accusations.

>> > Shame on you.-

>> McVay could sue the people who call him a pedophile. Why doesn’t he?

>1. The purpose of a civil suit is to have the defendant compensate the
>plaintiff for damages he caused.

>2.It is unlikely that Ken could prove any such financial loss
>occurred.

Since he was an unemployable gas station attendant, now involved in an
international income tax fraud, how can he show a legal financial loss?

>3. It is even less likely that the people who call him that name have
>any money with which to pay such a judgement.

4. The defendants would be entitled to introduce into evidence any and all
unsavoury aspects of McVay’s life, which may include any and all evidence of
moral turpitude.

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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:44:53 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:
>On Aug 17, 2:12 am, TurkeyBoy wrote:
>> On Aug 17, 10:06 am, oneeyewo…@gmail.com wrote:

>> > It’s getting really really pathetic when “revisionists” start to
>> > accuse Mr. McVay pedophile. They have nothing proofs against Nizkor,
>> > so that’s why they do such disgusting accusations.

>> > Shame on you.-

>> McVay could sue the people who call him a pedophile. Why doesn’t he?

>1. The purpose of a civil suit is to have the defendant compensate the
>plaintiff for damages he caused.

>2.It is unlikely that Ken could prove any such financial loss
>occurred.

Since he was an unemployable gas station attendant, now involved in an
international income tax fraud, how can he show a legal financial loss?

>3. It is even less likely that the people who call him that name have
>any money with which to pay such a judgement.

4. The defendants would be entitled to introduce into evidence any and all
unsavoury aspects of McVay’s life, which may include any and all evidence of
moral turpitude.

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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:18:29 -0400, wrote:

>Is Ken McVay possibly a Holocaust Profiteer?

>McVay’s picture: http://tinyurl.com/36bbup

The official picture of McVay, disgusting as it is, is available at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

>Could Nizkor be a complete scam?

Better to read the Dr.David Michael expose of Ken McVay, the unemployed gas
pump attendant.

> Ken McVay has appeared to be soliciting money to support himself,
>under the premise of “raising awareness” of the Holocaust. Can anyone point
>out any other source of income? Is not the thought anyone profiting from the
>Holocaust entirely abhorrent?

> Since the end of The Second World War, the Holocaust has been documented
>by governments, universities, and media outlets. It is and always will be an
>obvious fact. By pointing out “Hatemongers”, he seems to reveals that he,
>himself is a man of intolerance and hate. He appears to be driven to
>denounce and silence anyone whose beliefs runs contrary to his own. He has
>lurked on email lists of these so-called hate groups. Nizkor could not have
>recorded these email without lurking as a spy on that list) I ask Ken now,
>”What is it to you what other people say to themselves in a closed
>conversation? Not realizing that many of these people are using the list as
>a cathartic release for their own frustrations. In this politically correct
>world, it may feel good to some to just let it all out. These lists were
>not used for plotting hate crimes, but were used for the intellectual and
>non-intellectual venting of frustrations. I, personally was on one because
>I had felt that I need to express my anger against my own father, who is
>Jewish. I felt that he had not taken the proper steps to have my mother
>screened for cancer. She died in 1996 of colon cancer that had attacked her
>liver. My mother was Japanese. I always felt my father never really liked
>me because I was of a different race. I always had to be achieving, If I
>wasn’t, I did not exist to him. He had told me on many occasions how his
>family had objected to his marrying my mother. I wanted to be something
>entirely different. I wanted to experience what is was like to be a “regular
>white guy”.

> One day on the list someone wrote about a man that was lurking on the
>list and then converting the text into newsgroup messages that essentially
>would be publicly posted forever. Not knowing who he exactly was, I decided
>to give him some additional material to read. I signed up his email address
>to 800 Netcom email lists. It was a dumb thing to do. McVay’s posting of
>the incident has misrepresented who I really am, and has hurt my reputation.

>It is very difficult to fight this because he is on the far side of the
>continent in another country:

>2301 Arbor Rd
>Ste 36
>Nanaimo, BC Canada
>V9R 5K3

>(250) 753-6762

> He resides there with his school teacher wife and young adult daughter.

> Apparently Mr. McVay wants me to suffer forever. So, I’m posting my
>story, and my opinion on what he is all about. It’s the only thing I can do.
>His provider Vex.net in Toronto tells me there is nothing they can do. It
>is interesting that they have a regulation against mass posting to
>newsgroups, yet that’s precisely what he seemed to be doing with the email
>list I was on.. Maybe Vex.net had made the rule after receiving complaints
>about him.

> Is it possible that Ken McVay preys on the nightmares of the living
>Holocaust survivors? Does he have them believe that with out his help, the
>vast losses of life will not be forgotten?

> Many elderly people have a hard time understanding the Internet for what
>it is and for what it isn’t. They may not realize how inexpensive a website
>really is. They would be horrified by the news that some how the Holocaust
>will be distorted and forgotten.

> In the U.S., speech is protected by the 1st amendment of the Bill of
>Rights. Thus I feel confident stating my story about how I am effected each
>day by the actions of a seemingly malicious, angry man, Ken McVay. I
>understand he is a former American citizen, so he should be very aware of
>how things work on this side of the border. He should realize it just
>doesn’t protect the politically correct.

>Perhaps, this will finally get his attention, and encourage him to come to a
>reasonable conclusion to all of this.

>–Jeff Dranetz – [email protected]

>https://nizkor.org/league-donation.html

>Yet, he seems to be using the money collected to live off of.

>Here are his claimed goals:

>https://nizkor.org/objectives.html

>In contrast to our ideological opponents, the Nizkor Project has a
>completely open and visible agenda. We enumerate our goals below, in no
>particular order:

> a.. To monitor the falsehoods, half-truths, and misinformation distributed
>via the Internet and other media by individuals and organizations that are
>fascist (including Nazi or neo-Nazi), racist, antisemitic, and/or that
>dishonestly and/or flagrantly reject established historical fact about the
>Nazi Holocaust;
> b.. to refute or otherwise reply to those falsehoods, half-truths, and
>misinformation, with the aim of ensuring that they and their proponents
>remain firmly in the margin;
> c.. to encourage, assist, and engage in such refutation by sponsoring and
>organizing collaborative research and writing efforts of both amateurs and
>experts around the world, including but not limited to historians,
>war-crimes prosecutors, lawyers, and witnesses, and/or to distribute such
>refutation;
> d.. to encourage a critical and skeptical awareness of history, science,
>and the acquisition of human knowledge generally, so as to foster a frame of
>mind which recognizes such falsehoods, half-truths, and misinformation for
>what they are;
> e.. to seek, solicit, and archive, for worldwide electronic access free of
>charge, material that deals with the phenomenon and history of hate,
>especially the Nazi Holocaust, material that documents and exposes such
>hate, and nonviolent methods and tools for combating such hate.
> a.. to attempt to buttress democratic institutions against the campaign of
>destruction and disinformation being waged by hatemongers in electronic
>forums, principally on the Internet;
> b.. to provide teachers, from grade schools through universities, with
>curricula to bolster democratic, multicultural, and multiracial
>institutions;
> c.. to speak to or otherwise educate students, teachers, fraternal
>organizations, church groups, police forces, and any other interested
>groups, about the propaganda campaigns of racist and antidemocratic
>individuals and organizations conducted through computer networks, and about
>which nonviolent methods and tools are effective and ineffective in
>combating them.

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First Alberta cattle had BSE [Mad Cow Diesease], and many cattle had to be
exterminated.

Now Alberta cattle are shown to have TB.

Are cattle in Alberta being targeted by CIA/Mossad for experiemntation?

Alberta cattlemen are starting to become very suspicious, and justifiably so!!

In Europe they are being infected with Avian Flu and Rabies.

And in many countries the bee populations are being killed.

Too many plagues at once, seeing to be biological warfare?

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Subject: First BSE[MadCow], Now TB in Alberta Beef Cattle – Is Alberta Beef Safe to Eat?
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First Alberta cattle had BSE [Mad Cow Diesease], and many cattle had to be
exterminated.

Now Alberta cattle are shown to have TB.

Are cattle in Alberta being targeted by CIA/Mossad for experiemntation?

Alberta cattlemen are starting to become very suspicious, and justifiably so!!

In Europe they are being infected with Avian Flu and Rabies.

And in many countries the bee populations are being killed.

Too many plagues at once, seeing to be biological warfare?

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First Alberta cattle had BSE [Mad Cow Diesease], and many cattle had to be
exterminated.

Now Alberta cattle are shown to have TB, with more being exterminated.

Are cattle in Alberta being targeted by CIA/MOSSAD for experimentation?

Alberta cattlemen are starting to become very suspicious, and justifiably so!!

In Europe, there they are being infected with Avian Flu and Rabies.

And in many countries the bee populations are being killed.

Too many plagues at once, seeming to be biological warfare?

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Subject: Bombardier Q400 Aircraft UNSAFE – Too Many Crashes – Europe & Japan!! Airbus Get Another 82 Orders!!
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So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
airplane crashes.

Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7089318.stm

Emirates orders 82 Airbus planes

The latest Emirates deal is worth more than $20bn for Airbus
Emirates has ordered 82 Airbus jets, in a deal worth more than $20bn
(Ł9.6bn) for the European plane-maker.

The Dubai-based airline is buying 70 of Airbus’ mid-sized A350 model,
and 11 Airbus A380 twin-deck super jumbos.

Announced at the start of the Dubai air show, Emirates said the new
planes would play “an important role” in the growth of both the
airline and Dubai.

Emirates added that it also had the option to purchase a further 50
A350 aircraft at a future date.

Rolls-Royce deal

If this additional order goes ahead, the final deal will be worth
about $32bn for Airbus.

Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud
Airbus boss Tom Enders

The latest contract win for Airbus was also good news for British
engine-maker Rolls-Royce, as Emirates has chosen its units to power
the new planes.

It will be worth up to $8.4bn for Rolls-Royce if Emirates does go on
to buy the additional 50 A350 planes.

“Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud,” said
Airbus president and chief executive Tom Enders.

The order is welcome good news for Airbus parent group EADS.

Last week EADS warned it may have to deepen planned restructuring and
job cuts after its losses for the July to September period worsened to
775m euros ($1.14bn; Ł541m), compared with 189m euros last year.

It already plans to cut 10,000 jobs at Airbus over the next four
years.

Airbus designs and makes its wings in the UK.

>The news stories below about Quantas seem to be dated January 2002.

>All the crashes caused by defective landing gear on the Bombardier Q400, are
>being reported in the past few weeks – in other words NOW!!

>When all of Europe is dumping the Bombardier Q400, and suing Bombardier for
>many billions, there is definitely something wrong with Bombardier!

>As well, the media report that there are at least another 2 crashes in Japan
>with the Bombardier Q400 this year.

>Now, the European Safety Agency is demanding a “crisis meeting” with Canadian
>officials, to discuss the risks to European travellers caused by the defective
>Bombardier junk!! In a publicly issued statement, ESA promised to “take all
>measures to ensure the safety of European passengers and citizens”.

>Competitors of Bumbardier, such as EMBRAER, BAC, and the US firms, must really
>be having a field day, now that they can tell potential buyers about all the
>crashes with Bombardier!!

>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:24 -0400, “Paul” wrote:
>>>”Craig Welch” wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]
>>>> Ned Kelly said:

>>>>>As well the European Union are saying that most European airlines are now
>>>>>going to return all the Bombardier aircraft, following a number of crashes in
>>>>>the past few weeks, costing many airlines untold millions in damages due
>>>>>tounsafe Bombardier aircraft. Mind you airlines such as Horizon Air and
>>>>>Quantasstill are flying Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> There are no Quantas Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> Craig http://www.wazu.jp/
>>>> 1,239 Unicode fonts for 82 written language groups:
>>>> Price your own web plan: http://www.wazu.jp/hosting/
>>>I believe you are incorrect.

>>>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3078/is_200201/ai_n7819747

>>>http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/index.cfm?story=ON-20071022-000552-1606

From [email protected] Thu Nov 15 22:50:46 EST 2007
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Subject: Re: UKRAINIAN HIOLOCAUST, LIKE NO OTHER, COMITTED BY THE STALIN’S JEWS – Repost
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No wonder the ZYDS do not want the GOYIM to know about this!!

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 23:42:10 -0400, “ElParedon” wrote:

>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust

>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and
>Still Hide It From Us…]

>Archived for Scholarly Study
>From the Toronto Sun – December 13, 1998
>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor

>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of
>that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th
>anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists
>now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be reminded of the Unknown
>Holocaust.

>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin
>determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent farmers – called
>kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine’s
>growing spirit of nationalism.

>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow – earlier
>versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into
>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of
>recalcitrant farmers.

>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU
>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many
>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of
>death – mass starvation.

>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
>Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used
>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine
>cased one million deaths.)

>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing
>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel.
>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar
>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet
>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of
>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named
>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.

>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch
>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus
>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.

>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s custom-made famine and
>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB’s archives, and
>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died.
>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five
>percent of Ukraine’s population was exterminated. Millions of victims.
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million
>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia,
>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR;
>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide
>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war
>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes
>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and
>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both
>communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent
>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the
>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.

>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s Jews by
>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been
>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler
>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before
>the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or
>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day.
>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM
>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed
>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not see one
>under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent Walter
>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of
>famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million people were dying around
>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated
>Duranty’s lies.

>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical
>roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime – the inevitable
>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of
>Britain, the United States and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian
>genocide and Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him
>as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle
>Joe,” murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.

>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought
>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago,
>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state
>pension.

>BTW, Stalin’s real name Djugashvili, translates into “son of a Jew”

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Subject: Bombardier Q400 Aircraft UNSAFE – Too Many Crashes – Europe & Japan!! Airbus Get Another 82 Orders!!
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So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
airplane crashes.

Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7089318.stm

Emirates orders 82 Airbus planes

The latest Emirates deal is worth more than $20bn for Airbus
Emirates has ordered 82 Airbus jets, in a deal worth more than $20bn
(Ł9.6bn) for the European plane-maker.

The Dubai-based airline is buying 70 of Airbus’ mid-sized A350 model,
and 11 Airbus A380 twin-deck super jumbos.

Announced at the start of the Dubai air show, Emirates said the new
planes would play “an important role” in the growth of both the
airline and Dubai.

Emirates added that it also had the option to purchase a further 50
A350 aircraft at a future date.

Rolls-Royce deal

If this additional order goes ahead, the final deal will be worth
about $32bn for Airbus.

Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud
Airbus boss Tom Enders

The latest contract win for Airbus was also good news for British
engine-maker Rolls-Royce, as Emirates has chosen its units to power
the new planes.

It will be worth up to $8.4bn for Rolls-Royce if Emirates does go on
to buy the additional 50 A350 planes.

“Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud,” said
Airbus president and chief executive Tom Enders.

The order is welcome good news for Airbus parent group EADS.

Last week EADS warned it may have to deepen planned restructuring and
job cuts after its losses for the July to September period worsened to
775m euros ($1.14bn; Ł541m), compared with 189m euros last year.

It already plans to cut 10,000 jobs at Airbus over the next four
years.

Airbus designs and makes its wings in the UK.

>The news stories below about Quantas seem to be dated January 2002.

>All the crashes caused by defective landing gear on the Bombardier Q400, are
>being reported in the past few weeks – in other words NOW!!

>When all of Europe is dumping the Bombardier Q400, and suing Bombardier for
>many billions, there is definitely something wrong with Bombardier!

>As well, the media report that there are at least another 2 crashes in Japan
>with the Bombardier Q400 this year.

>Now, the European Safety Agency is demanding a “crisis meeting” with Canadian
>officials, to discuss the risks to European travellers caused by the defective
>Bombardier junk!! In a publicly issued statement, ESA promised to “take all
>measures to ensure the safety of European passengers and citizens”.

>Competitors of Bumbardier, such as EMBRAER, BAC, and the US firms, must really
>be having a field day, now that they can tell potential buyers about all the
>crashes with Bombardier!!

>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:24 -0400, “Paul” wrote:
>>>”Craig Welch” wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]
>>>> Ned Kelly said:

>>>>>As well the European Union are saying that most European airlines are now
>>>>>going to return all the Bombardier aircraft, following a number of crashes in
>>>>>the past few weeks, costing many airlines untold millions in damages due
>>>>>tounsafe Bombardier aircraft. Mind you airlines such as Horizon Air and
>>>>>Quantasstill are flying Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> There are no Quantas Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> Craig http://www.wazu.jp/
>>>> 1,239 Unicode fonts for 82 written language groups:
>>>> Price your own web plan: http://www.wazu.jp/hosting/
>>>I believe you are incorrect.

>>>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3078/is_200201/ai_n7819747

>>>http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/index.cfm?story=ON-20071022-000552-1606

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First Alberta cattle had BSE [Mad Cow Diesease], and many cattle had to be
exterminated.

Now Alberta cattle are shown to have TB, with more being exterminated.

Are cattle in Alberta being targeted by CIA/MOSSAD for experimentation?

Alberta cattlemen are starting to become very suspicious, and justifiably so!!

In Europe, there they are being infected with Avian Flu and Rabies.

And in many countries the bee populations are being killed.

Too many plagues at once, seeming to be biological warfare?

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First Alberta cattle had BSE [Mad Cow Diesease], and many cattle had to be
exterminated.

Now Alberta cattle are shown to have TB, with more being exterminated.

Are cattle in Alberta being targeted by CIA/MOSSAD for experimentation?

After all, the bee disease came from Israhell.

Alberta cattlemen are starting to become very suspicious, and justifiably so!!

In Europe, there they are being infected with Avian Flu and Rabies.

And in many countries the bee populations are being killed.

Too many plagues at once, seeming to be biological warfare?

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Not only have the Canadian gestapo called the RCMP been killing/murdering many
people by tasering them to death for years now, but so have municipal police
in Edmonton and Winnipeg, for example.

The muder of the man from Poland is similar to what police in Canada have been
doing for years to Canadians, whether natives or just innocents.

In Edmonton, the police even tasered a 66 year old lawyer who was
photographing police brutality!!

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:31:19 GMT, “M.J.Galinski”
wrote:

>At 6:36 the guy raises his hands, in gesture of surrender,
>he is then calmly asked to stand against the wall/counter
>to be tasered. One can see the cops dispersing around him.
>They decided to taser him before they even got to him.
>At 8:26 the redhead finishes him off. Plain murder.

>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8917991111323273442&q=taser+polish&total=12&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

>M.J.Galinski

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This is but a small sample of the criminal activities involving the crooked
cops in the Edmonton Police Service.

They have been shown on worldwide TV, such as the incident when a burly cop
pounded a young woman’s face repeatedly into the pavement, for no reason.

Then, there is the incident of a crooked cop tasering a 66 year old lawyer
because the lawyer was photographing police torture for use as evidence.

And of course, the police refuse to look for the serial killer of all the
prostitutes, leading cynics to believe that it must be a crooked cop involved.

And don’t forget the bribery charges against crooked cops involved in the
photo radar case.

Plus the drunk driving cops.

Plus the people killed by a cop driving recklessly.

And on and on.

Do not also forget, that it is the taxpayers who are paying for the bar in
police headquarteres, where cops are allowed to get drunk at the end of their
shifts, and then drive home drunk!!

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:48:07 -0800, Robert LaCasse wrote:

>Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:56:37 -0600
>From: [email protected] sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca
>Subject: Drunken guest allowed to roam police headquarters -officer

>Drunken guest allowed to roam police headquarters — officer
>(http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/cityplus/story.html?id=371ba782-3e3b-4321-ab12-8ed92b82be0b)

>Constable faces disciplinary hearing

>Ryan Cormier, The Edmonton Journal

>EDMONTON – A police officer allowed a drunk guest to roam Edmonton Police
>Service headquarters while partying in the building’s bar, a constable told
>a disciplinary hearing Thursday.

>On Feb. 20, 2005, Const. Mark Kubitza said he went to the licensed lounge
>after his shift in the holding cell area of the building ended at 5 a.m.

>When he arrived, he said he saw Const. Sebastien Berube drinking along with
>an unidentified male and two strip-club waitresses. A number of empty beer
>cans were on their table.

>”They were all very boisterous, loud and quite obviously under the influence
>of alcohol,” Kubitza told the hearing. He added that both women “were rather
>scantily clad.”

>The officer said he later saw a third man passed out on a couch in another
>part of the lounge.

>Guests are allowed into headquarters to go to the bar, but must be signed in
>and strictly supervised, the hearing was told.

>At one point, Kubitza said Berube’s male guest left alone and later came
>back through the locked main lounge doors without having to be let in.

>”I could only presume he was provided with a card key to gain access to the
>lounge.”

>Berube and one of the women left for a short period of time, leaving the
>remaining guests unsupervised, Kubitza said.

>Berube was charged with insubordination for not supervising his guests that
>night. Four charges of deceit also were laid against him because of
>statements he made to an officer investigating his alleged misconduct.

>Berube has pleaded not guilty to all the charges. He has been suspended with
>pay.

>Kubitza said he went to the lounge that night to have a beer with Sgt. Randy
>Goss, who later filed a complaint about Berube that led to an internal
>investigation. Berube’s lawyer, Tom Engel, told the hearing he plans to call
>witnesses who will testify the behaviour in the lounge that night was not
>uncommon. Many officers know of similar behaviour in the bar that is not
>punished, Engel said.

>”If not approved, at least condoned,” Engel said. “It’s something my client
>has witnessed, it’s something he was told.”

>The hearing resumes Feb. 25.

>[email protected]

>© The Edmonton Journal 2007

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Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor
Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?

With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from
Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?

Was Harpo also involved at some time?
Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general “a.wilson”
wrote:

I’m disappointed at Canada’s reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)

Mulroney, according to everything I’ve read, lied to Canada and perjured
himself. We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million. How can the
conservative government sit on their hands through this. I’m shaking my
head.

We can’t let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope. We
need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this – if this slides then
the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we’ll allow
this kind of blatant corruption. And if we’ll allow this kind of blatant
corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger. And so
on..

For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.

I can’t vote for Dion. I’m a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
Harper government doesn’t do anything about this then I can’t vote for him.
Jack Layton?

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Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor
Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?

With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from
Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?

Was Harpo also involved at some time?
Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general “a.wilson”
wrote:

I’m disappointed at Canada’s reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)

Mulroney, according to everything I’ve read, lied to Canada and perjured
himself. We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million. How can the
conservative government sit on their hands through this. I’m shaking my
head.

We can’t let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope. We
need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this – if this slides then
the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we’ll allow
this kind of blatant corruption. And if we’ll allow this kind of blatant
corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger. And so
on..

For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.

I can’t vote for Dion. I’m a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
Harper government doesn’t do anything about this then I can’t vote for him.
Jack Layton?

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Subject: Re: KASTNER’S TRAIN – New Book Reopens Wounds of ZYD KOLLABORATION WITH NAZIS!!
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:22:22 GMT, “Georgio Salavantinizi”
wrote:

>Can’t people stop bringing up the past about WWII and the awful crap that
>took place?

>Yes it was a bad war, tens of millions died. Not just Jews, but people from
>all sides. Now, the pagan atheist Hitler is gone and so is his pagan atheist
>Nazi party.

>It’s back to JudeoChristianity again and things have calmed down. People are
>having fun, good humor is back again, and the problems of the past are just
>that; of the past.

The TRUTH must be exposed, to avoid making similar mistakes again.

The ZYDS COLLABORATED WITH NAZIS, to benefit themselves only!!

>”Marek Maciej Ziemba” wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> Nazi officials under the direction of SS officer Adolf Eichmann
>> offered to sell the Zionist Aid and Rescue Committee (Vaada), of which
>> Rudolf Kastner was the de facto leader, exit visas for 600 Jews who
>> held Palestinian immigration certificates, in exchange for 6.5
>> million pengö (RM 4,000,000 or $1,600,000).

>> Rudolf Kastner, who became a government minister in Israel, was
>> assassinated there in March 1957 following allegations that he had
>> collaborated with the Nazis.

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastner_train
>>
>> Mirelle

>> This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,so
>> that more and more people around the world will come to know the truth
>> about the ZYD COLLABORATION with nazis.
>> It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
>> more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!
>>
>> Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zyd lies!!
>>
>> More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZYD
>> COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

>> Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
>> ZYDS, to consider demanding repayment?

>>>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>> It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
>> Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
>> COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>>>> wrote:

>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS with
>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>>>public.

>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

>>>>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:51:02 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>Newsgroups:soc.culture.swiss,soc.culture.european,soc.culture.europe,so
>> c.culture.polish,soc.culture.germany
>>>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>>September 2004, page 86
>>>>>Book Review
>>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List:$22; AET:
>>>>>$15.
>>>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>>>coverage in the American media.

>>>>>Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has compiled a wide variety of letters,
>>>>>statements, articles, and judgements?some of which appeared in his
>>>>>earlier book?by a broad array of activists and authors, that
>>>>>documents Zionist cooperration with the Nazis.

>>>>>On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>>>presents the case?made in many Zionists? own words?that the Nazi
>>>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the
>>>>>Zionist plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and
>>>>>creating a new Jewish nation.

>>>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.

>>>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>>>others written in response.

>>>>>These latter do indicate levels of collaboration between Zionists and
>>>>>fascists, both the Nazis in Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy.
>>>>>Brenner’s brief explanatory notes at the beginning of each document
>>>>>are helpful, as are the glossary and index.

>>>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some
>>>>>Zionists eschewed the boycott against Hitler?s Germany, for instance, is
>>>>>that they had a financial deal?Ha’avara?with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before.
>>>>>Moreover, the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of ‘nationality’
>>>>>versus citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on
>>>>>the same concept.
>>
>>>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term Holocaust
>>>>>guilt, frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who
>>>>>made the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to
>>>>>place Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives
>> of
>>>>>their threatened European brethren.
>>
>>>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on
>>>>>Feb. 18, 1943:
>>
>>>>>And when some asked me: Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora? I said:
>>>>>?No! And again I say no….And, because of these things, people
>>>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the
>> fact
>>>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions.(p. 211)
>>
>>>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically
>>>>>align themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally
>> saw
>>>>>race as an important dividing line?and, moreover, were determined
>> to
>>>>>keep it that way.
>>
>>>>>From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,’assimilation’ of Jews
>>>>>into the societies in which they lived was not an acceptable
>> option.
>>>>>Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on a national level,
>> not
>>>>>a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, ‘It is impossible for a
>> man
>>>>>to become assimilated with people whose blood is different from his
>>>>>own’
>>>>>(p. 10); in Einstein?s words, ?Palestine is first and foremost not
>> a
>>>>>refuge for East European Jews, but the incarnation of a reawakening
>>>>>sense of national solidarity? (p. 29).
>>
>>>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the STERN GANG, , wrote the
>>>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>
>>>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would
>> be
>>>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>
>>>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference?and,
>>>>>therefore, racial supremacy?were practiced around the world.
>>
>>>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the
>>>>>Zionist cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of
>> this
>>>>>book,another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than
>> savory
>>>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers,
>> in
>>>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after
>> the
>>>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>
>>>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to
>>>>>bring information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to
>> U.S.
>>>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives ‘both Palestinian
>>>>>and Israeli’ in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it
>>>>>difficult not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem
>> to wear
>>>>>when examining Zionism.
>>
>>
>> # 5 The Kastner Case
>> ZHID KOLABORACI WITH EICHMANN & NAZIS!!
>> Extracted from a pamphlet issued by BAZO-PS – 1981
>>
>> Introduction
>>
>> The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is
>> that involving Rudolf Kastner.
>>
>> Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>> Those who have, are generally under the impression that
>> there is some “controversy” about negotiations he undertook
>> for “the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>> equipment,” but that he was “fully rehabilitated” by the
>> Supreme Court of Israel.
>>
>> The Accusations
>>
>> Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>> Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the
>> British Medical Research Council, was one of the few
>> escapees from Auschwitz. In his memoirs published in
>> February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:
>>
>> I am a Jew. In spite of that – indeed because of that –
>> I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly
>> deeds of the war.
>>
>> This small group of quislings knew what was happening to
>> their brethren in Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their
>> own lives with the price of silence.
>>
>> Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke
>> for all Jews in Hungary.
>> While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz – the number is
>> still on my arm – I compiled careful statistics of the
>> exterminations…I took these terrible statistics with me
>> when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian
>> Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned
>> to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers…
>> Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, “I know of your plans;
>> spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.”
>>
>> Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S.
>> uniform and took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends.
>>
>> Nor did the sordid bargaining end there.
>>
>> Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
>> little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>> when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine…
>> (Ben Hecht, Perfidy, pp 261-2)
>>
>> These accusations are confirmed by the “Eichmann Confessions”
>> published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>> “I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the
>> commander stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off
>> in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for
>> future campaigns elsewhere…In obedience to Himmler’s
>> directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>> political officials in Budapest…Among them, Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>> authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.
>>
>> This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>> lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
>> Jews from resisting deportation – and even keep order in the
>> collection camps – if I could close my eyes and let a few
>> hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>> Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the
>> camps, the price…was not too high for me.
>>
>> “…We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
>> Kastner smoked cigarets as though he were in a coffeehouse.
>> While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigaret after
>> another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them
>> with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>> he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>
>> “Dr. Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for
>> a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Palestune…
>>
>> “As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity
>> between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these
>> immensely idealistic Zionist leaders….I believe that Kastner
>> would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his
>> blood to achieve his political goal…
>> ‘You can have the others’, he would say, ‘but let me have
>> this group here’. And because Kastner rendered us a great
>> service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I
>> would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>> concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews…
>> That was the ‘gentleman’s agreement’ I had with Kastner.”
>> (Hecht, Ibid., pp.260-61)
>>
>> Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false,
>> do not relate merely to “the purchase of Jewish lives for
>> money and military equipment.”

>> Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>> According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie.
>> When Malchiel Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli
>> citizen published these accusations against Kastner, the
>> Israeli Government did rather more than demand that his
>> views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>> official Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of
>> Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General
>> of the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>> -88-
>> ———————————————————————–
>> Posted by Robert E. Nordlander
>> [email protected]

>> Subject: Kastner Case=ZHID KOLLABORACI WITH NAZIS!!

>> From: Elias Davidsson ([email protected])
>> Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
>> Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
>> Date: 1997/07/12

>> The Kastner Case

>> Introduction

>> Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
>> up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of
>> all and will show that on this question ‘The documentation available
>> is overwhelming and its message is thundering”, just as Palestine
>> Speaks claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

>> Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
>> the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
>> accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly
>> the most ‘extreme’ and ‘offensive’ accusations of Nazi-Zionist
>> collaboration broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first,
>> and in greater detail.

>> Since the ‘Kastner case’ is the subject of most of the broadcasts
>> concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
>> about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some
>> books in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its
>> case appears strongest, and on the points to which it has given
>> greatest emphasis,we hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that
>> things are not quite what they may have appeared before this inquiry
>> began.

>> The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>> involving Rudolf Kastner.

>> Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>> Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
>> ‘controversy’ about negotiations he undertook for ‘the purchase of
>> Jewish lives for money and military equipment’, but that he was ‘fully
>> ehabilitated’ by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>>
>> That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
>> Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
>> 3CR for anti-semitism.
>>
>> It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
>> anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
>> what Kastner was accused of.
>>
>> This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
>> account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works
>> dealing with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart
>> from 3CR, the suppression of information has been so complete, that
>> even an expert like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on
>> the matter, has been unable to find out what it is all about.
>>
>> The Accusations
>> —————-
>> Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>> “Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>> Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>> In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>> Herald, he wrote:
>>
>> ‘I am a Jew. In spite of that – indeed because of that – I accuse
>> certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>
>> This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
>> brethren in Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their their own lives
>> with the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the
>> council which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner
>> number 44070 at Auschwitz – the number is still on my arm – I compiled
>> careful statistics of the exterminations…I took these terrible
>> statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give
>> Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned to
>> send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers…Kastner went to
>> Eichmann and told him, ‘I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>> choice and I shall keep quiet.’
>>
>> Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>> took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>> bargaining end there.
>>
>> Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>> fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany
>> collapsed,to set himself up in the Argentine…”(Ben Hecht, op.cit.
>> pp261-2)
>>
>> These accusations are confirmed by the ‘Eichmann Confessions’
>> published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>> “I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>> stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>> operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>> elsewhere…In obedience to Himmler’s directive I now concentrated on
>> negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest…Among
>> them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>> Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>> lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
>> He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation – and even
>> keep order in the collection camps – if I could close my eyes and let
>> a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>> Palestine.
>> It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price…was
>> not too high for me.

>> We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoked
>> cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>> smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>> case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>> and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

>> Dr. Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>> of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel…

>> As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>> attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>> Zionist leaders….I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>> thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>> oal…’You can have the others’, he would say, ‘but let me have this
>> group here’.

>> And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
>> keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
>> After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so
>> Jews…
>> That was the ‘gentleman’s agreement’ I had with Kastner” (Hecht, ibid,
>> p.26ö-61)
>>
>> Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
>> merely to ‘the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>> equipment’, as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term ‘collaboration’ is
>> the term that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had
>> known what the accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR
>> saying ‘In these circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious
>> and absurd’.
>>
>> Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>
>> According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>> Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>> accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>> than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
>> prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
>> Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
>> the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>> The Verdict
>> ————
>> Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel’s District Court of
>> Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>> The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>> studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on
>> 3CR, has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to
>> the Jewish community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to
>> promote racism, in bad taste and contrary to common sense.
>>
>> It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board’s
>> complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
>> the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
>> its’ complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information
>> can backfire on the censors themselves.

>> Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
>> became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:

>> “The masses of Jews from Hungary’s ghettos obediently boarded the
>> deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>> confidence in the false information that they were being transferred
>> to Kenyermeze.

>> The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>> they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

>> The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>> rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>> others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
>> mislead the Jews.
>> They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>> of Jewish leaders.

>> The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>> leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>> spreading such false information and did not protest.

>> Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>> persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local ‘rescue work’.

>> The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>> knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>> deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>> quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>> hampering the deportation orders.

>> Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>> dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to
>> overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
>> activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>
>> And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>> Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>
>> The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>> Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>> their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
>> leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>> deportations…these same leaders did not join the people of their
>> community n their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
>> Rescue train.
>>
>> The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>> extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>> Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
>> The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
>> they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
>> will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
>> Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into oollaboration with
>> the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>
>> The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>> Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>
>> The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
>> ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
>> expensively if honorably guided.
>>
>> Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
>> exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.
>>
>> The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>> Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>> task easier.
>>
>> The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>> summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>> not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>> chiefs.
>>
>> It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>> Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>> underground.
>>
>> The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>> Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
>> the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
>> Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>
>> The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>> these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>> the extermination plan of the killers ?
>>
>> The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner’s Rescue
>> Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>> friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary – their total
>> annihilation.
>>
>> The Nazi’s patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>> six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
>> Jews.
>> Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>> attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>> to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
>> a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
>> that would also justify his conduct – his political negotiation with
>> Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>
>> When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>> soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the
>> majority of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic
>> element in the agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement
>> fixed the division of the nation into two unequal camps: a small
>> fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on
>> the one hand, and the great majority of Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis
>> designated for death, on the other hand.
>> An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
>> was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
>> the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
>> fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
>> the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
>> already been wiped out from the book of the living.
>>
>> One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner’s collaboration and
>> put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
>> not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
>> the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
>> chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>
>> All of Kastner’s answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>> to evade this truth.
>>
>> Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>> wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated
>> quickly to another.”
>>
>> (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
>> Generalv. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
>> 1955).
>>
>> Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>> Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>> ‘new line’ of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>
>> “From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the ‘new line’
>> stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>
>> According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>> Jews.
>>
>> This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>> ‘rescue’ work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>> of Kastner’s involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>> criminals.
>>
>> Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>> achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>> Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>>
>> Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>> Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
>> Kastner’s duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.
>>
>> In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>> the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>
>> All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>> were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler”. (ibid)
>>
>> Judge Halevi continues:
>>
>> “Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>> when he denied he had interceded in Becher’s hehalf. Moreover, he
>> concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
>> of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>
>> As to the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, it was enough for the
>> defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
>> prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
>> negate the affidavit.
>>
>> The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>> criminal.
>>
>> The lies in the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, the lies in his
>> testimony concerning the document, and Kastner’s knowing participation
>> in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
>> last minute fake rescue activities – all these combine to show one
>> overwhelming truth – that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>
>> Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>> stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>> declared in the affidavit.
>>
>> The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>> but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>> and no good faith in Kastner’s testimony, ‘I never doubted for one
>> moment the good intention of good Becher’.
>>
>> It is clear that the positive recommandation by Kastner, not only in
>> his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>> World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>> exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>> of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
>> the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
>> were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
>> there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
>> criminal.
>> Kastner’s affidavit in favor of Becher was a willfully false affidavit
>> given in favor of a war criminal to save him from trial and punishment
>> n Nuremberg.
>>
>> Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>> accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>> his statements.” (ibid)
>>
>> Judge Halevi’s verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>> libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
>> unproven accusation – that Kastner had actually collected money from
>> his Nazi partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge
>> also ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred
>> Israeli pounds as court costs.
>>
>> In fairness to Kastner it should me mentioned that as well as having
>> been unpaid, it was never established that he ever wore S.S. uniform.
>>
>> Nevertheless, this verdict, and the evidence on which it was based,
>> completely establishes the truth of everything said on 3CR about the
>> matter.
>>
>> If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>> individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>> attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>> pointed to much more than that.
>>
>> But the story does not end there.
>>
>> The Reaction
>> ————-
>> Public opinion in Israel was almost unanimous in demanding that
>> Kastner and his associates should be put on trial. Remember that up to
>> now it was Kastner’s accuser who was on trial.
>>
>> The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha’am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>
>> “All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>> know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder” (23 June
>> 1955)
>>
>> In the authoritative Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz, the leading political
>> journalist, Dr. Moshe Keren wrote:
>>
>> “Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
>> trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
>> defended by the Israeli Government…” (14 July 1955).
>>
>> *Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:
>> “The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
>> him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
>> Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
>> defense.” (23 June 1955)
>>
>> But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>> Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>> Government of Israel.
>>
>> As the evening paper *Yedi’ot Aharonot* said:
>> “If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>> political and national collapse – as a result of what such a trial may
>> disclose.” (23 June 1955)
>>
>> Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>> instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
>> criminal libel.
>>
>> As Dr. Karlebach wrote in Israel’s largest evening newspaper,
>> *Ma’ariv*:
>> “What is going on here? The Attorney General has to mobilize all the
>> government power, appear himself in court, to justify and defend
>> collaboration with Himmler! And in order to defend a quisling, the
>> government must drag through the streets one of the grimmest stories
>> of our history!
>>
>> At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>> government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed – an
>> appeal filed.
>> What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
>> such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>> appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?! (24
>> June 1955)
>>
>> At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>> of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>> was defending Kastner so strongly: “The man Kastner does not stand
>> here as a private individual. He was a recognized representative,
>> official or non-official of the Jewish National Institutes in
>> Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in this court
>> to defend the representative of our national institutions.” (Hecht, p.
>> 268)
>>
>> The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner’s collaboration
>> was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>> leadership.
>>
>> So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>> continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>> collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>> But the story gets worse.
>>
>> The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>> Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>> the name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
>> this point Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not ‘fully
>> rehabilitated’.
>>
>> The Supreme Court also accepted the FACTS established in the lower
>> court – that Kastner DELIBERATELY concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>> from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
>> take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
>> ‘fully rehabilitated’.
>>
>> The Majority Judgement
>> ————————-
>> But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>> these FACTS, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
>> two, found that Kastner’s actions were MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE and
>> convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
>> ‘collaboration’.
>>
>> In saying that 3CR broadcasts concealed the fact that Kastner had been
>> fully rehabilitated by the Israeli Supreme Court, Dr. Foster is
>> totally missing the point.
>>
>> Kastner’s actions only proved that HE was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>> the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
>> that prove conclusively that ZIONISM approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>
>> The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not REHABILITATE
>> Kastner.
>> They JOINED him.
>>
>> Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>> Chesin:
>>
>> “…What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>> Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
>> the end of their journey…Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
>> saying, ‘The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
>> tree’.
>> This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another witness
>> about the Hungarian Jews, ‘This was a big Jewish community in Hungary,
>> without any ideological Jewish backbone’ (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner
>> aide in Budapest, protocol 465).
>>
>> I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, ‘The
>> Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>> neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
>> with force against the deportation scheme’…From this point of view
>> no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
>> news to the Jewish leaders there, and this…is a consideration which
>> one can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>
>> .And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>> when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
>> result from his great dispair because of the helplessness of the
>> Jewish community.
>> Even then, I say, this is still not considered willful collaboration
>> and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
>> that Kastner’s efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
>> scale…And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
>> very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
>> knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
>> save a few Jews from Hell – this is still no proof that he stained his
>> hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
>> their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>
>> Even if, through these activities of his – or rather, his omission –
>> the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
>> question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
>> a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
>> should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
>> awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
>> although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
>> many or should he disclose the truth to many though it is his best
>> opinion that this way everybody will perish. I think that the answer
>> is clear. What good will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to
>> perish?…As I said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings
>> of the learned President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi)
>> but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as
>> of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>> That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>> extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
>> leadership both from a moral and public point of view…
>>
>> In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>> collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>> who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
>> extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
>> Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
>> gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
>> what was known to them and did not warn and did not cry out of the
>> coming danger….
>>
>> Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>> Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
>> Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
>> people in Hungary during the last war.” (Hecht, ibid, pp.270-2)
>>
>> n other words, the Court approved of Kastner’s contempt for the
>> Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
>> exactly what many other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did –
>> concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
>> Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
>> Zionist ‘leaders’ boarded a different train for Palestine.
>>
>> The Minority Judgement
>> ————————–
>> It cannot be said that ALL top Zionists leaders actively approved of
>> Nazi collaboration in this way. Indeed the most precise answer to this
>> sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is provided in the minority
>> judgement of S>>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General
>> therefore shrinks into Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>>
>> “I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>> the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
>> have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
>> dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
>> judgements on the guilt of others….
>>
>> an opinion….’Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
>> ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
>> he, as a result of his personal dispair, did not disclose the secret
>> of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
>> of the few – therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
>> accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
>> extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
>> result.’
>>
>> I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>> such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>> cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>> without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
>> the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
>> emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
>> had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
>> thousands would have been able to save their lives by local, partial,
>> specific or indirect rescue operations like local revolts, resistance,
>> escapes, hidings, concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of
>> documents, ransom money, bribery, etc – and when this is the case and
>> when one deals with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human
>> being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty and with an extreme
>> ‘no’ the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he
>> examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead
>> of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the last hope
>> of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as his
>> defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
>> to a claim of such good faith…
>>
>> If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>> die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
>> will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
>> as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
>> the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>
>> Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>> complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
>> rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>
>> And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>> was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>> Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
>> make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
>> his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
>> many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
>> escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
>> these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
>> proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
>> claim that Kastner had concealed the news about the fate of the ghetto
>> inmates in good faith and only as a result of his complete despairing
>> of the chances of escaping or resisting the Germans. You can not claim
>> at the same time helplessness and activity.
>> Anyway, such a claim is not convincing…
>>
>> We can sum up with three facts:
>> A. That the Nazis didn’t want to have a great revolt – ‘Second Warsaw’
>> – nor small revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination
>> machine working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to
>> Kastner from the best source – from Eichmann himself – And he had
>> additional proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and
>> misleading tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first
>> moment of occupation.
>>
>> B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with – or
>> the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>> murder.
>> This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
>> evidence for this.
>>
>> C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>> prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>> of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>
>> And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner…He who is capable of
>> rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
>> great war criminal were not so horryfying or despicable in his
>> eyes…I couldn’t base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
>> been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
>> of events it throws retroactive light on the whole affair and serves
>> as a dozen proofs of our conclusion.” (Supreme Court Judge, Moshe
>> Silberg, 1957)
>>
>> Conclusion
>> ———–
>> If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>> their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
>> have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
>> advocate collaboration with the Nazis.
>>
>> One could then at least understand the complaints by Mr. Bloch,
>> President of the Victorian Jewish Board of Deputies, about the
>> ‘dragging in of alleged episodes in the history of Jewish/Nazi
>> relationships’.
>>
>> But Judge Silberg’s judgement was that of a minority.
>>
>> The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history,
>> being ‘dragged in’ to discredit an opponent.
>>
>> It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>> Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>> with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>
>> Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>> Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>> Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>> gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
>> to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
>> and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>
>> Becher has even used his certification as a ‘good’ SS officer to give
>> evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>> West Germany.
>>
>> Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>> the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>> presure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>> fear of what might come out.
>>
>> Likewise, none of Kastner’s associates on the Zionist Relief and
>> Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
>> on trial as demanded by Israeli public opinion. Let alone the hundreds
>> of ‘prominents’ who helped Kastner to reassure the Hungarian Jews that
>> they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz, in exchange for
>> tickets on the one train that took them eventually to Palestine.
>>
>> As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarassment to the
>> Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>> was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
>> leadership in Palestine. He is, as Dr. Foster so delicately puts it,
>> ‘now dead’.
>>
>> Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeer
>> Eckstein – immediately after the appeal hearings were concluded, and
>> before the judgement ‘rehabilitating’ him was delivered. Eckstein was
>> not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the Israeli
>> secret service.
>> (Hecht, ibid., p.208. Another ‘fantastic allegation’ no doubt; but
>> admitted in court during the murder trial).
>>
>> Clearly this issue has a major indirect relevance to the Arab-Israeli
>> dispute. Apart from countering Israel’s cynical use of the holocaust
>> as a propaganda weapon, it answers a very real concern that many
>> people have about the State of Israel and the Jews. This concern is
>> whether, if Jews had a State of their own during the holocaust many
>> more could have been saved, and whether this is not an essential
>> future consideration, at least as an insurance policy.
>>
>> The facts of the Kastner case show that the very existence of the
>> Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) was an actual help to the
>> Nazis and that more could have been saved if the Zionist movement had
>> not existed.
>> Having a State that approves of actions like those of Kastner for an
>> insurance policy, is like using petrol for a fire extinguisher.
>>
>> Zionism is not the answer to anti-semitism, but a cowardly proposal to
>> run away from it. The only answer to anti-semitism is to fight back.
>>
>> We shall go on to prove this in detail.
>> ——————————————————————
>> Elias Davidsson – Oldugata 50 – 101 Reykjavik – Iceland
>> Tel. (354)-552-6444 Fax: (354)-552-6579
>> mail: [email protected] URL: http://www.nyherji.is/~edavid
>>
>>
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled – as fertiliser!!
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:35:10 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
>> wrote:
>>
>> Looks like the filthy ZHIDS just do not like this well-documented
>> expose of their holohoax, and the fact that it documents 52 cases of
>> ZHID COLLABORATION WITH THE NAZIS!!
>>
>>>>On 28 Nov 2004 10:59:36 -0800, [email protected]
>>>>(HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote:
>>
>> This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,
>> so that more and more people around the world will come to know the
>> truth about the ZHID COLLABORATION with nazis.
>> It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
>> more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!
>>
>> Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zhid lies!!
>>
>> More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZHID
>> COLLABORATION with the nazis!!
>>
>> Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
>> ZHIDS, to consider demanding repayment?

>>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>>> wrote:

>> It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
>> Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
>> COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS with
>>>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>>>>>public.

>>>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS – another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case –
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE – www.zundelsite.org
IHR – www.ihr.org
Stormfront – http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA – www.ostara.org
PAMYAT – http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele – www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA – http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE – Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
Subscribe: [email protected]
Yggdrasil’s White Nationalist Library – http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance – http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History – http://www.hoffman-info.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

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No wonder the ZYDS do not want the GOYIM to know about this!!

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 23:42:10 -0400, “ElParedon” wrote:

>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust

>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and
>Still Hide It From Us…]

>Archived for Scholarly Study
>From the Toronto Sun – December 13, 1998
>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor

>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of
>that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th
>anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists
>now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be reminded of the Unknown
>Holocaust.

>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin
>determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent farmers – called
>kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine’s
>growing spirit of nationalism.

>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow – earlier
>versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into
>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of
>recalcitrant farmers.

>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU
>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many
>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of
>death – mass starvation.

>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
>Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used
>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine
>cased one million deaths.)

>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing
>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel.
>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar
>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet
>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of
>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named
>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.

>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch
>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus
>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.

>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s custom-made famine and
>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB’s archives, and
>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died.
>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five
>percent of Ukraine’s population was exterminated. Millions of victims.
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million
>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia,
>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR;
>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide
>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war
>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes
>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and
>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both
>communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent
>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the
>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.

>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s Jews by
>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been
>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler
>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before
>the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or
>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day.
>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM
>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed
>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not see one
>under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent Walter
>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of
>famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million people were dying around
>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated
>Duranty’s lies.

>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical
>roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime – the inevitable
>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of
>Britain, the United States and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian
>genocide and Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him
>as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle
>Joe,” murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.

>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought
>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago,
>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state
>pension.

>BTW, Stalin’s real name Djugashvili, translates into “son of a Jew”

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No wonder the ZYDS do not want the GOYIM to know about this!!

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 23:42:10 -0400, “ElParedon” wrote:

>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust

>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and
>Still Hide It From Us…]

>Archived for Scholarly Study
>From the Toronto Sun – December 13, 1998
>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor

>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of
>that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th
>anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists
>now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be reminded of the Unknown
>Holocaust.

>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin
>determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent farmers – called
>kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine’s
>growing spirit of nationalism.

>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow – earlier
>versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into
>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of
>recalcitrant farmers.

>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU
>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many
>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of
>death – mass starvation.

>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
>Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used
>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine
>cased one million deaths.)

>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing
>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel.
>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar
>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet
>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of
>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named
>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.

>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch
>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus
>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.

>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s custom-made famine and
>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB’s archives, and
>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died.
>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five
>percent of Ukraine’s population was exterminated. Millions of victims.
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million
>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia,
>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR;
>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide
>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war
>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes
>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and
>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both
>communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent
>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the
>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.

>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s Jews by
>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been
>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler
>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before
>the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or
>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day.
>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM
>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed
>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not see one
>under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent Walter
>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of
>famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million people were dying around
>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated
>Duranty’s lies.

>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical
>roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime – the inevitable
>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of
>Britain, the United States and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian
>genocide and Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him
>as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle
>Joe,” murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.

>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought
>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago,
>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state
>pension.

>BTW, Stalin’s real name Djugashvili, translates into “son of a Jew”

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Not only have the Canadian gestapo called the RCMP been killing/murdering many
people by tasering them to death for years now, but so have municipal police
in Edmonton and Winnipeg, for example.

The muder of the man from Poland is similar to what police in Canada have been
doing for years to Canadians, whether natives or just innocents.

In Edmonton, the police even tasered a 66 year old lawyer who was
photographing police brutality!!

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:31:19 GMT, “M.J.Galinski”
wrote:

>At 6:36 the guy raises his hands, in gesture of surrender,
>he is then calmly asked to stand against the wall/counter
>to be tasered. One can see the cops dispersing around him.
>They decided to taser him before they even got to him.
>At 8:26 the redhead finishes him off. Plain murder.

>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8917991111323273442&q=taser+polish&total=12&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

>M.J.Galinski

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This is but a small sample of the criminal activities involving the crooked
cops in the Edmonton Police Service.

They have been shown on worldwide TV, such as the incident when a burly cop
pounded a young woman’s face repeatedly into the pavement, for no reason.

Then, there is the incident of a crooked cop tasering a 66 year old lawyer
because the lawyer was photographing police torture for use as evidence.

And of course, the police refuse to look for the serial killer of all the
prostitutes, leading cynics to believe that it must be a crooked cop involved.

And don’t forget the bribery charges against crooked cops involved in the
photo radar case.

Plus the drunk driving cops.

Plus the people killed by a cop driving recklessly.

And on and on.

Do not also forget, that it is the taxpayers who are paying for the bar in
police headquarteres, where cops are allowed to get drunk at the end of their
shifts, and then drive home drunk!!

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:48:07 -0800, Robert LaCasse wrote:

>Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:56:37 -0600
>From: [email protected] sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca
>Subject: Drunken guest allowed to roam police headquarters -officer

>Drunken guest allowed to roam police headquarters — officer
>(http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/cityplus/story.html?id=371ba782-3e3b-4321-ab12-8ed92b82be0b)

>Constable faces disciplinary hearing

>Ryan Cormier, The Edmonton Journal

>EDMONTON – A police officer allowed a drunk guest to roam Edmonton Police
>Service headquarters while partying in the building’s bar, a constable told
>a disciplinary hearing Thursday.

>On Feb. 20, 2005, Const. Mark Kubitza said he went to the licensed lounge
>after his shift in the holding cell area of the building ended at 5 a.m.

>When he arrived, he said he saw Const. Sebastien Berube drinking along with
>an unidentified male and two strip-club waitresses. A number of empty beer
>cans were on their table.

>”They were all very boisterous, loud and quite obviously under the influence
>of alcohol,” Kubitza told the hearing. He added that both women “were rather
>scantily clad.”

>The officer said he later saw a third man passed out on a couch in another
>part of the lounge.

>Guests are allowed into headquarters to go to the bar, but must be signed in
>and strictly supervised, the hearing was told.

>At one point, Kubitza said Berube’s male guest left alone and later came
>back through the locked main lounge doors without having to be let in.

>”I could only presume he was provided with a card key to gain access to the
>lounge.”

>Berube and one of the women left for a short period of time, leaving the
>remaining guests unsupervised, Kubitza said.

>Berube was charged with insubordination for not supervising his guests that
>night. Four charges of deceit also were laid against him because of
>statements he made to an officer investigating his alleged misconduct.

>Berube has pleaded not guilty to all the charges. He has been suspended with
>pay.

>Kubitza said he went to the lounge that night to have a beer with Sgt. Randy
>Goss, who later filed a complaint about Berube that led to an internal
>investigation. Berube’s lawyer, Tom Engel, told the hearing he plans to call
>witnesses who will testify the behaviour in the lounge that night was not
>uncommon. Many officers know of similar behaviour in the bar that is not
>punished, Engel said.

>”If not approved, at least condoned,” Engel said. “It’s something my client
>has witnessed, it’s something he was told.”

>The hearing resumes Feb. 25.

>[email protected]

>© The Edmonton Journal 2007

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Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor
Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?

With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from
Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?

Was Harpo also involved at some time?
Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general “a.wilson”
wrote:

I’m disappointed at Canada’s reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)

Mulroney, according to everything I’ve read, lied to Canada and perjured
himself. We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million. How can the
conservative government sit on their hands through this. I’m shaking my
head.

We can’t let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope. We
need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this – if this slides then
the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we’ll allow
this kind of blatant corruption. And if we’ll allow this kind of blatant
corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger. And so
on..

For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.

I can’t vote for Dion. I’m a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
Harper government doesn’t do anything about this then I can’t vote for him.
Jack Layton?

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No wonder the ZYDS do not want the GOYIM to know about this!!

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 23:42:10 -0400, “ElParedon” wrote:

>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust

>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and
>Still Hide It From Us…]

>Archived for Scholarly Study
>From the Toronto Sun – December 13, 1998
>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor

>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of
>that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th
>anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists
>now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be reminded of the Unknown
>Holocaust.

>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin
>determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent farmers – called
>kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine’s
>growing spirit of nationalism.

>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow – earlier
>versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into
>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of
>recalcitrant farmers.

>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU
>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many
>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of
>death – mass starvation.

>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
>Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used
>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine
>cased one million deaths.)

>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing
>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel.
>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar
>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet
>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of
>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named
>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.

>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch
>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus
>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.

>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s custom-made famine and
>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB’s archives, and
>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died.
>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five
>percent of Ukraine’s population was exterminated. Millions of victims.
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million
>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia,
>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR;
>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide
>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war
>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes
>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and
>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both
>communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent
>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the
>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.

>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s Jews by
>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been
>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler
>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before
>the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or
>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day.
>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM
>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed
>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not see one
>under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent Walter
>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of
>famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million people were dying around
>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated
>Duranty’s lies.

>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical
>roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime – the inevitable
>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of
>Britain, the United States and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian
>genocide and Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him
>as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle
>Joe,” murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.

>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought
>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago,
>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state
>pension.

>BTW, Stalin’s real name Djugashvili, translates into “son of a Jew”

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Not only have the Canadian gestapo called the RCMP been killing/murdering many
people by tasering them to death for years now, but so have municipal police
in Edmonton and Winnipeg, for example.

The muder of the man from Poland is similar to what police in Canada have been
doing for years to Canadians, whether natives or just innocents.

In Edmonton, the police even tasered a 66 year old lawyer who was
photographing police brutality!!

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:31:19 GMT, “M.J.Galinski”
wrote:

>At 6:36 the guy raises his hands, in gesture of surrender,
>he is then calmly asked to stand against the wall/counter
>to be tasered. One can see the cops dispersing around him.
>They decided to taser him before they even got to him.
>At 8:26 the redhead finishes him off. Plain murder.

>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8917991111323273442&q=taser+polish&total=12&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

>M.J.Galinski

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First Alberta cattle had BSE [Mad Cow Diesease], and many cattle had to be
exterminated.

Now Alberta cattle are shown to have TB, with more being exterminated.

Are cattle in Alberta being targeted by CIA/MOSSAD for experimentation?

Alberta cattlemen are starting to become very suspicious, and justifiably so!!

In Europe, there they are being infected with Avian Flu and Rabies.

And in many countries the bee populations are being killed.

Too many plagues at once, seeming to be biological warfare?

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If Singer is a Zionist, what can one expect?
Did the sheikh really expect koranic justice from such?

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:06:34 -0500, Vladimir Makarenko
wrote:

>http://www.guardian.co.uk/race/story/0,,2211561,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=11

>I can only imagine the same judge in hypothetical procedures with
>Lugovoi. This would really be tons of fun.

>VM.

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Subject: Re: KASTNER’S TRAIN – New Book Reopens Wounds of ZYD KOLLABORATION WITH NAZIS!!
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:22:22 GMT, “Georgio Salavantinizi”
wrote:

>Can’t people stop bringing up the past about WWII and the awful crap that
>took place?

>Yes it was a bad war, tens of millions died. Not just Jews, but people from
>all sides. Now, the pagan atheist Hitler is gone and so is his pagan atheist
>Nazi party.

>It’s back to JudeoChristianity again and things have calmed down. People are
>having fun, good humor is back again, and the problems of the past are just
>that; of the past.

The TRUTH must be exposed, to avoid making similar mistakes again.

The ZYDS COLLABORATED WITH NAZIS, to benefit themselves only!!

>”Marek Maciej Ziemba” wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> Nazi officials under the direction of SS officer Adolf Eichmann
>> offered to sell the Zionist Aid and Rescue Committee (Vaada), of which
>> Rudolf Kastner was the de facto leader, exit visas for 600 Jews who
>> held Palestinian immigration certificates, in exchange for 6.5
>> million pengö (RM 4,000,000 or $1,600,000).

>> Rudolf Kastner, who became a government minister in Israel, was
>> assassinated there in March 1957 following allegations that he had
>> collaborated with the Nazis.

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastner_train
>>
>> Mirelle

>> This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,so
>> that more and more people around the world will come to know the truth
>> about the ZYD COLLABORATION with nazis.
>> It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
>> more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!
>>
>> Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zyd lies!!
>>
>> More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZYD
>> COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

>> Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
>> ZYDS, to consider demanding repayment?

>>>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>> It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
>> Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
>> COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>>>> wrote:

>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS with
>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>>>public.

>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

>>>>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:51:02 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>Newsgroups:soc.culture.swiss,soc.culture.european,soc.culture.europe,so
>> c.culture.polish,soc.culture.germany
>>>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>>September 2004, page 86
>>>>>Book Review
>>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List:$22; AET:
>>>>>$15.
>>>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>>>coverage in the American media.

>>>>>Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has compiled a wide variety of letters,
>>>>>statements, articles, and judgements?some of which appeared in his
>>>>>earlier book?by a broad array of activists and authors, that
>>>>>documents Zionist cooperration with the Nazis.

>>>>>On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>>>presents the case?made in many Zionists? own words?that the Nazi
>>>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the
>>>>>Zionist plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and
>>>>>creating a new Jewish nation.

>>>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.

>>>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>>>others written in response.

>>>>>These latter do indicate levels of collaboration between Zionists and
>>>>>fascists, both the Nazis in Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy.
>>>>>Brenner’s brief explanatory notes at the beginning of each document
>>>>>are helpful, as are the glossary and index.

>>>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some
>>>>>Zionists eschewed the boycott against Hitler?s Germany, for instance, is
>>>>>that they had a financial deal?Ha’avara?with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before.
>>>>>Moreover, the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of ‘nationality’
>>>>>versus citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on
>>>>>the same concept.
>>
>>>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term Holocaust
>>>>>guilt, frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who
>>>>>made the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to
>>>>>place Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives
>> of
>>>>>their threatened European brethren.
>>
>>>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on
>>>>>Feb. 18, 1943:
>>
>>>>>And when some asked me: Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora? I said:
>>>>>?No! And again I say no….And, because of these things, people
>>>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the
>> fact
>>>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions.(p. 211)
>>
>>>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically
>>>>>align themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally
>> saw
>>>>>race as an important dividing line?and, moreover, were determined
>> to
>>>>>keep it that way.
>>
>>>>>From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,’assimilation’ of Jews
>>>>>into the societies in which they lived was not an acceptable
>> option.
>>>>>Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on a national level,
>> not
>>>>>a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, ‘It is impossible for a
>> man
>>>>>to become assimilated with people whose blood is different from his
>>>>>own’
>>>>>(p. 10); in Einstein?s words, ?Palestine is first and foremost not
>> a
>>>>>refuge for East European Jews, but the incarnation of a reawakening
>>>>>sense of national solidarity? (p. 29).
>>
>>>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the STERN GANG, , wrote the
>>>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>
>>>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would
>> be
>>>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>
>>>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference?and,
>>>>>therefore, racial supremacy?were practiced around the world.
>>
>>>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the
>>>>>Zionist cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of
>> this
>>>>>book,another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than
>> savory
>>>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers,
>> in
>>>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after
>> the
>>>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>
>>>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to
>>>>>bring information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to
>> U.S.
>>>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives ‘both Palestinian
>>>>>and Israeli’ in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it
>>>>>difficult not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem
>> to wear
>>>>>when examining Zionism.
>>
>>
>> # 5 The Kastner Case
>> ZHID KOLABORACI WITH EICHMANN & NAZIS!!
>> Extracted from a pamphlet issued by BAZO-PS – 1981
>>
>> Introduction
>>
>> The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is
>> that involving Rudolf Kastner.
>>
>> Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>> Those who have, are generally under the impression that
>> there is some “controversy” about negotiations he undertook
>> for “the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>> equipment,” but that he was “fully rehabilitated” by the
>> Supreme Court of Israel.
>>
>> The Accusations
>>
>> Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>> Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the
>> British Medical Research Council, was one of the few
>> escapees from Auschwitz. In his memoirs published in
>> February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:
>>
>> I am a Jew. In spite of that – indeed because of that –
>> I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly
>> deeds of the war.
>>
>> This small group of quislings knew what was happening to
>> their brethren in Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their
>> own lives with the price of silence.
>>
>> Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke
>> for all Jews in Hungary.
>> While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz – the number is
>> still on my arm – I compiled careful statistics of the
>> exterminations…I took these terrible statistics with me
>> when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian
>> Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned
>> to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers…
>> Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, “I know of your plans;
>> spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.”
>>
>> Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S.
>> uniform and took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends.
>>
>> Nor did the sordid bargaining end there.
>>
>> Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
>> little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>> when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine…
>> (Ben Hecht, Perfidy, pp 261-2)
>>
>> These accusations are confirmed by the “Eichmann Confessions”
>> published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>> “I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the
>> commander stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off
>> in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for
>> future campaigns elsewhere…In obedience to Himmler’s
>> directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>> political officials in Budapest…Among them, Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>> authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.
>>
>> This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>> lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
>> Jews from resisting deportation – and even keep order in the
>> collection camps – if I could close my eyes and let a few
>> hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>> Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the
>> camps, the price…was not too high for me.
>>
>> “…We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
>> Kastner smoked cigarets as though he were in a coffeehouse.
>> While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigaret after
>> another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them
>> with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>> he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>
>> “Dr. Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for
>> a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Palestune…
>>
>> “As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity
>> between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these
>> immensely idealistic Zionist leaders….I believe that Kastner
>> would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his
>> blood to achieve his political goal…
>> ‘You can have the others’, he would say, ‘but let me have
>> this group here’. And because Kastner rendered us a great
>> service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I
>> would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>> concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews…
>> That was the ‘gentleman’s agreement’ I had with Kastner.”
>> (Hecht, Ibid., pp.260-61)
>>
>> Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false,
>> do not relate merely to “the purchase of Jewish lives for
>> money and military equipment.”

>> Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>> According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie.
>> When Malchiel Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli
>> citizen published these accusations against Kastner, the
>> Israeli Government did rather more than demand that his
>> views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>> official Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of
>> Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General
>> of the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>> -88-
>> ———————————————————————–
>> Posted by Robert E. Nordlander
>> [email protected]

>> Subject: Kastner Case=ZHID KOLLABORACI WITH NAZIS!!

>> From: Elias Davidsson ([email protected])
>> Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
>> Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
>> Date: 1997/07/12

>> The Kastner Case

>> Introduction

>> Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
>> up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of
>> all and will show that on this question ‘The documentation available
>> is overwhelming and its message is thundering”, just as Palestine
>> Speaks claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

>> Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
>> the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
>> accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly
>> the most ‘extreme’ and ‘offensive’ accusations of Nazi-Zionist
>> collaboration broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first,
>> and in greater detail.

>> Since the ‘Kastner case’ is the subject of most of the broadcasts
>> concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
>> about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some
>> books in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its
>> case appears strongest, and on the points to which it has given
>> greatest emphasis,we hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that
>> things are not quite what they may have appeared before this inquiry
>> began.

>> The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>> involving Rudolf Kastner.

>> Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>> Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
>> ‘controversy’ about negotiations he undertook for ‘the purchase of
>> Jewish lives for money and military equipment’, but that he was ‘fully
>> ehabilitated’ by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>>
>> That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
>> Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
>> 3CR for anti-semitism.
>>
>> It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
>> anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
>> what Kastner was accused of.
>>
>> This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
>> account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works
>> dealing with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart
>> from 3CR, the suppression of information has been so complete, that
>> even an expert like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on
>> the matter, has been unable to find out what it is all about.
>>
>> The Accusations
>> —————-
>> Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>> “Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>> Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>> In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>> Herald, he wrote:
>>
>> ‘I am a Jew. In spite of that – indeed because of that – I accuse
>> certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>
>> This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
>> brethren in Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their their own lives
>> with the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the
>> council which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner
>> number 44070 at Auschwitz – the number is still on my arm – I compiled
>> careful statistics of the exterminations…I took these terrible
>> statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give
>> Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned to
>> send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers…Kastner went to
>> Eichmann and told him, ‘I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>> choice and I shall keep quiet.’
>>
>> Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>> took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>> bargaining end there.
>>
>> Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>> fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany
>> collapsed,to set himself up in the Argentine…”(Ben Hecht, op.cit.
>> pp261-2)
>>
>> These accusations are confirmed by the ‘Eichmann Confessions’
>> published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>> “I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>> stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>> operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>> elsewhere…In obedience to Himmler’s directive I now concentrated on
>> negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest…Among
>> them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>> Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>> lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
>> He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation – and even
>> keep order in the collection camps – if I could close my eyes and let
>> a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>> Palestine.
>> It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price…was
>> not too high for me.

>> We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoked
>> cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>> smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>> case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>> and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

>> Dr. Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>> of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel…

>> As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>> attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>> Zionist leaders….I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>> thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>> oal…’You can have the others’, he would say, ‘but let me have this
>> group here’.

>> And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
>> keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
>> After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so
>> Jews…
>> That was the ‘gentleman’s agreement’ I had with Kastner” (Hecht, ibid,
>> p.26ö-61)
>>
>> Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
>> merely to ‘the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>> equipment’, as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term ‘collaboration’ is
>> the term that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had
>> known what the accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR
>> saying ‘In these circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious
>> and absurd’.
>>
>> Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>
>> According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>> Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>> accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>> than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
>> prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
>> Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
>> the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>> The Verdict
>> ————
>> Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel’s District Court of
>> Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>> The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>> studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on
>> 3CR, has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to
>> the Jewish community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to
>> promote racism, in bad taste and contrary to common sense.
>>
>> It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board’s
>> complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
>> the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
>> its’ complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information
>> can backfire on the censors themselves.

>> Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
>> became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:

>> “The masses of Jews from Hungary’s ghettos obediently boarded the
>> deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>> confidence in the false information that they were being transferred
>> to Kenyermeze.

>> The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>> they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

>> The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>> rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>> others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
>> mislead the Jews.
>> They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>> of Jewish leaders.

>> The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>> leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>> spreading such false information and did not protest.

>> Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>> persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local ‘rescue work’.

>> The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>> knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>> deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>> quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>> hampering the deportation orders.

>> Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>> dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to
>> overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
>> activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>
>> And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>> Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>
>> The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>> Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>> their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
>> leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>> deportations…these same leaders did not join the people of their
>> community n their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
>> Rescue train.
>>
>> The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>> extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>> Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
>> The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
>> they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
>> will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
>> Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into oollaboration with
>> the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>
>> The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>> Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>
>> The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
>> ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
>> expensively if honorably guided.
>>
>> Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
>> exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.
>>
>> The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>> Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>> task easier.
>>
>> The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>> summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>> not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>> chiefs.
>>
>> It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>> Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>> underground.
>>
>> The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>> Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
>> the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
>> Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>
>> The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>> these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>> the extermination plan of the killers ?
>>
>> The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner’s Rescue
>> Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>> friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary – their total
>> annihilation.
>>
>> The Nazi’s patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>> six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
>> Jews.
>> Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>> attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>> to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
>> a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
>> that would also justify his conduct – his political negotiation with
>> Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>
>> When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>> soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the
>> majority of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic
>> element in the agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement
>> fixed the division of the nation into two unequal camps: a small
>> fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on
>> the one hand, and the great majority of Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis
>> designated for death, on the other hand.
>> An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
>> was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
>> the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
>> fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
>> the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
>> already been wiped out from the book of the living.
>>
>> One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner’s collaboration and
>> put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
>> not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
>> the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
>> chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>
>> All of Kastner’s answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>> to evade this truth.
>>
>> Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>> wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated
>> quickly to another.”
>>
>> (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
>> Generalv. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
>> 1955).
>>
>> Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>> Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>> ‘new line’ of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>
>> “From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the ‘new line’
>> stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>
>> According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>> Jews.
>>
>> This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>> ‘rescue’ work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>> of Kastner’s involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>> criminals.
>>
>> Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>> achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>> Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>>
>> Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>> Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
>> Kastner’s duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.
>>
>> In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>> the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>
>> All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>> were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler”. (ibid)
>>
>> Judge Halevi continues:
>>
>> “Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>> when he denied he had interceded in Becher’s hehalf. Moreover, he
>> concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
>> of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>
>> As to the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, it was enough for the
>> defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
>> prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
>> negate the affidavit.
>>
>> The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>> criminal.
>>
>> The lies in the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, the lies in his
>> testimony concerning the document, and Kastner’s knowing participation
>> in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
>> last minute fake rescue activities – all these combine to show one
>> overwhelming truth – that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>
>> Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>> stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>> declared in the affidavit.
>>
>> The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>> but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>> and no good faith in Kastner’s testimony, ‘I never doubted for one
>> moment the good intention of good Becher’.
>>
>> It is clear that the positive recommandation by Kastner, not only in
>> his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>> World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>> exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>> of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
>> the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
>> were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
>> there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
>> criminal.
>> Kastner’s affidavit in favor of Becher was a willfully false affidavit
>> given in favor of a war criminal to save him from trial and punishment
>> n Nuremberg.
>>
>> Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>> accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>> his statements.” (ibid)
>>
>> Judge Halevi’s verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>> libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
>> unproven accusation – that Kastner had actually collected money from
>> his Nazi partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge
>> also ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred
>> Israeli pounds as court costs.
>>
>> In fairness to Kastner it should me mentioned that as well as having
>> been unpaid, it was never established that he ever wore S.S. uniform.
>>
>> Nevertheless, this verdict, and the evidence on which it was based,
>> completely establishes the truth of everything said on 3CR about the
>> matter.
>>
>> If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>> individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>> attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>> pointed to much more than that.
>>
>> But the story does not end there.
>>
>> The Reaction
>> ————-
>> Public opinion in Israel was almost unanimous in demanding that
>> Kastner and his associates should be put on trial. Remember that up to
>> now it was Kastner’s accuser who was on trial.
>>
>> The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha’am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>
>> “All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>> know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder” (23 June
>> 1955)
>>
>> In the authoritative Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz, the leading political
>> journalist, Dr. Moshe Keren wrote:
>>
>> “Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
>> trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
>> defended by the Israeli Government…” (14 July 1955).
>>
>> *Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:
>> “The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
>> him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
>> Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
>> defense.” (23 June 1955)
>>
>> But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>> Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>> Government of Israel.
>>
>> As the evening paper *Yedi’ot Aharonot* said:
>> “If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>> political and national collapse – as a result of what such a trial may
>> disclose.” (23 June 1955)
>>
>> Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>> instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
>> criminal libel.
>>
>> As Dr. Karlebach wrote in Israel’s largest evening newspaper,
>> *Ma’ariv*:
>> “What is going on here? The Attorney General has to mobilize all the
>> government power, appear himself in court, to justify and defend
>> collaboration with Himmler! And in order to defend a quisling, the
>> government must drag through the streets one of the grimmest stories
>> of our history!
>>
>> At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>> government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed – an
>> appeal filed.
>> What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
>> such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>> appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?! (24
>> June 1955)
>>
>> At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>> of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>> was defending Kastner so strongly: “The man Kastner does not stand
>> here as a private individual. He was a recognized representative,
>> official or non-official of the Jewish National Institutes in
>> Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in this court
>> to defend the representative of our national institutions.” (Hecht, p.
>> 268)
>>
>> The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner’s collaboration
>> was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>> leadership.
>>
>> So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>> continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>> collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>> But the story gets worse.
>>
>> The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>> Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>> the name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
>> this point Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not ‘fully
>> rehabilitated’.
>>
>> The Supreme Court also accepted the FACTS established in the lower
>> court – that Kastner DELIBERATELY concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>> from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
>> take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
>> ‘fully rehabilitated’.
>>
>> The Majority Judgement
>> ————————-
>> But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>> these FACTS, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
>> two, found that Kastner’s actions were MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE and
>> convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
>> ‘collaboration’.
>>
>> In saying that 3CR broadcasts concealed the fact that Kastner had been
>> fully rehabilitated by the Israeli Supreme Court, Dr. Foster is
>> totally missing the point.
>>
>> Kastner’s actions only proved that HE was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>> the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
>> that prove conclusively that ZIONISM approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>
>> The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not REHABILITATE
>> Kastner.
>> They JOINED him.
>>
>> Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>> Chesin:
>>
>> “…What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>> Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
>> the end of their journey…Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
>> saying, ‘The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
>> tree’.
>> This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another witness
>> about the Hungarian Jews, ‘This was a big Jewish community in Hungary,
>> without any ideological Jewish backbone’ (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner
>> aide in Budapest, protocol 465).
>>
>> I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, ‘The
>> Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>> neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
>> with force against the deportation scheme’…From this point of view
>> no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
>> news to the Jewish leaders there, and this…is a consideration which
>> one can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>
>> .And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>> when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
>> result from his great dispair because of the helplessness of the
>> Jewish community.
>> Even then, I say, this is still not considered willful collaboration
>> and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
>> that Kastner’s efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
>> scale…And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
>> very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
>> knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
>> save a few Jews from Hell – this is still no proof that he stained his
>> hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
>> their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>
>> Even if, through these activities of his – or rather, his omission –
>> the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
>> question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
>> a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
>> should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
>> awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
>> although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
>> many or should he disclose the truth to many though it is his best
>> opinion that this way everybody will perish. I think that the answer
>> is clear. What good will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to
>> perish?…As I said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings
>> of the learned President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi)
>> but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as
>> of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>> That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>> extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
>> leadership both from a moral and public point of view…
>>
>> In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>> collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>> who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
>> extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
>> Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
>> gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
>> what was known to them and did not warn and did not cry out of the
>> coming danger….
>>
>> Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>> Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
>> Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
>> people in Hungary during the last war.” (Hecht, ibid, pp.270-2)
>>
>> n other words, the Court approved of Kastner’s contempt for the
>> Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
>> exactly what many other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did –
>> concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
>> Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
>> Zionist ‘leaders’ boarded a different train for Palestine.
>>
>> The Minority Judgement
>> ————————–
>> It cannot be said that ALL top Zionists leaders actively approved of
>> Nazi collaboration in this way. Indeed the most precise answer to this
>> sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is provided in the minority
>> judgement of S>>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General
>> therefore shrinks into Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>>
>> “I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>> the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
>> have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
>> dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
>> judgements on the guilt of others….
>>
>> an opinion….’Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
>> ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
>> he, as a result of his personal dispair, did not disclose the secret
>> of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
>> of the few – therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
>> accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
>> extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
>> result.’
>>
>> I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>> such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>> cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>> without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
>> the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
>> emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
>> had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
>> thousands would have been able to save their lives by local, partial,
>> specific or indirect rescue operations like local revolts, resistance,
>> escapes, hidings, concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of
>> documents, ransom money, bribery, etc – and when this is the case and
>> when one deals with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human
>> being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty and with an extreme
>> ‘no’ the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he
>> examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead
>> of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the last hope
>> of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as his
>> defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
>> to a claim of such good faith…
>>
>> If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>> die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
>> will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
>> as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
>> the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>
>> Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>> complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
>> rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>
>> And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>> was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>> Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
>> make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
>> his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
>> many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
>> escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
>> these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
>> proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
>> claim that Kastner had concealed the news about the fate of the ghetto
>> inmates in good faith and only as a result of his complete despairing
>> of the chances of escaping or resisting the Germans. You can not claim
>> at the same time helplessness and activity.
>> Anyway, such a claim is not convincing…
>>
>> We can sum up with three facts:
>> A. That the Nazis didn’t want to have a great revolt – ‘Second Warsaw’
>> – nor small revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination
>> machine working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to
>> Kastner from the best source – from Eichmann himself – And he had
>> additional proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and
>> misleading tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first
>> moment of occupation.
>>
>> B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with – or
>> the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>> murder.
>> This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
>> evidence for this.
>>
>> C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>> prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>> of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>
>> And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner…He who is capable of
>> rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
>> great war criminal were not so horryfying or despicable in his
>> eyes…I couldn’t base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
>> been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
>> of events it throws retroactive light on the whole affair and serves
>> as a dozen proofs of our conclusion.” (Supreme Court Judge, Moshe
>> Silberg, 1957)
>>
>> Conclusion
>> ———–
>> If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>> their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
>> have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
>> advocate collaboration with the Nazis.
>>
>> One could then at least understand the complaints by Mr. Bloch,
>> President of the Victorian Jewish Board of Deputies, about the
>> ‘dragging in of alleged episodes in the history of Jewish/Nazi
>> relationships’.
>>
>> But Judge Silberg’s judgement was that of a minority.
>>
>> The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history,
>> being ‘dragged in’ to discredit an opponent.
>>
>> It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>> Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>> with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>
>> Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>> Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>> Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>> gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
>> to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
>> and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>
>> Becher has even used his certification as a ‘good’ SS officer to give
>> evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>> West Germany.
>>
>> Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>> the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>> presure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>> fear of what might come out.
>>
>> Likewise, none of Kastner’s associates on the Zionist Relief and
>> Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
>> on trial as demanded by Israeli public opinion. Let alone the hundreds
>> of ‘prominents’ who helped Kastner to reassure the Hungarian Jews that
>> they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz, in exchange for
>> tickets on the one train that took them eventually to Palestine.
>>
>> As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarassment to the
>> Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>> was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
>> leadership in Palestine. He is, as Dr. Foster so delicately puts it,
>> ‘now dead’.
>>
>> Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeer
>> Eckstein – immediately after the appeal hearings were concluded, and
>> before the judgement ‘rehabilitating’ him was delivered. Eckstein was
>> not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the Israeli
>> secret service.
>> (Hecht, ibid., p.208. Another ‘fantastic allegation’ no doubt; but
>> admitted in court during the murder trial).
>>
>> Clearly this issue has a major indirect relevance to the Arab-Israeli
>> dispute. Apart from countering Israel’s cynical use of the holocaust
>> as a propaganda weapon, it answers a very real concern that many
>> people have about the State of Israel and the Jews. This concern is
>> whether, if Jews had a State of their own during the holocaust many
>> more could have been saved, and whether this is not an essential
>> future consideration, at least as an insurance policy.
>>
>> The facts of the Kastner case show that the very existence of the
>> Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) was an actual help to the
>> Nazis and that more could have been saved if the Zionist movement had
>> not existed.
>> Having a State that approves of actions like those of Kastner for an
>> insurance policy, is like using petrol for a fire extinguisher.
>>
>> Zionism is not the answer to anti-semitism, but a cowardly proposal to
>> run away from it. The only answer to anti-semitism is to fight back.
>>
>> We shall go on to prove this in detail.
>> ——————————————————————
>> Elias Davidsson – Oldugata 50 – 101 Reykjavik – Iceland
>> Tel. (354)-552-6444 Fax: (354)-552-6579
>> mail: [email protected] URL: http://www.nyherji.is/~edavid
>>
>>
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled – as fertiliser!!
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:35:10 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
>> wrote:
>>
>> Looks like the filthy ZHIDS just do not like this well-documented
>> expose of their holohoax, and the fact that it documents 52 cases of
>> ZHID COLLABORATION WITH THE NAZIS!!
>>
>>>>On 28 Nov 2004 10:59:36 -0800, [email protected]
>>>>(HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote:
>>
>> This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,
>> so that more and more people around the world will come to know the
>> truth about the ZHID COLLABORATION with nazis.
>> It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
>> more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!
>>
>> Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zhid lies!!
>>
>> More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZHID
>> COLLABORATION with the nazis!!
>>
>> Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
>> ZHIDS, to consider demanding repayment?

>>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>>> wrote:

>> It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
>> Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
>> COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS with
>>>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>>>>>public.

>>>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS – another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case –
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE – www.zundelsite.org
IHR – www.ihr.org
Stormfront – http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA – www.ostara.org
PAMYAT – http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele – www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA – http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE – Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
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Yggdrasil’s White Nationalist Library – http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance – http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History – http://www.hoffman-info.com

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So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
airplane crashes.

Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7089318.stm

Emirates orders 82 Airbus planes

The latest Emirates deal is worth more than $20bn for Airbus
Emirates has ordered 82 Airbus jets, in a deal worth more than $20bn
(Ł9.6bn) for the European plane-maker.

The Dubai-based airline is buying 70 of Airbus’ mid-sized A350 model,
and 11 Airbus A380 twin-deck super jumbos.

Announced at the start of the Dubai air show, Emirates said the new
planes would play “an important role” in the growth of both the
airline and Dubai.

Emirates added that it also had the option to purchase a further 50
A350 aircraft at a future date.

Rolls-Royce deal

If this additional order goes ahead, the final deal will be worth
about $32bn for Airbus.

Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud
Airbus boss Tom Enders

The latest contract win for Airbus was also good news for British
engine-maker Rolls-Royce, as Emirates has chosen its units to power
the new planes.

It will be worth up to $8.4bn for Rolls-Royce if Emirates does go on
to buy the additional 50 A350 planes.

“Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud,” said
Airbus president and chief executive Tom Enders.

The order is welcome good news for Airbus parent group EADS.

Last week EADS warned it may have to deepen planned restructuring and
job cuts after its losses for the July to September period worsened to
775m euros ($1.14bn; Ł541m), compared with 189m euros last year.

It already plans to cut 10,000 jobs at Airbus over the next four
years.

Airbus designs and makes its wings in the UK.

>The news stories below about Quantas seem to be dated January 2002.

>All the crashes caused by defective landing gear on the Bombardier Q400, are
>being reported in the past few weeks – in other words NOW!!

>When all of Europe is dumping the Bombardier Q400, and suing Bombardier for
>many billions, there is definitely something wrong with Bombardier!

>As well, the media report that there are at least another 2 crashes in Japan
>with the Bombardier Q400 this year.

>Now, the European Safety Agency is demanding a “crisis meeting” with Canadian
>officials, to discuss the risks to European travellers caused by the defective
>Bombardier junk!! In a publicly issued statement, ESA promised to “take all
>measures to ensure the safety of European passengers and citizens”.

>Competitors of Bumbardier, such as EMBRAER, BAC, and the US firms, must really
>be having a field day, now that they can tell potential buyers about all the
>crashes with Bombardier!!

>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:24 -0400, “Paul” wrote:
>>>”Craig Welch” wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]
>>>> Ned Kelly said:

>>>>>As well the European Union are saying that most European airlines are now
>>>>>going to return all the Bombardier aircraft, following a number of crashes in
>>>>>the past few weeks, costing many airlines untold millions in damages due
>>>>>tounsafe Bombardier aircraft. Mind you airlines such as Horizon Air and
>>>>>Quantasstill are flying Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> There are no Quantas Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> Craig http://www.wazu.jp/
>>>> 1,239 Unicode fonts for 82 written language groups:
>>>> Price your own web plan: http://www.wazu.jp/hosting/
>>>I believe you are incorrect.

>>>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3078/is_200201/ai_n7819747

>>>http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/index.cfm?story=ON-20071022-000552-1606

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:23:43 -0800, Loaf of Bread
wrote:
>On Nov 8, 6:29 pm, VictorRCurious wrote:

>[usual whining and complaining snipped]

>I guess now we know why property taxes are going up.

>Grossievenor here is driving employers away from the city with all his
>bellyaching, and the rest of us have to pick up the load.

Actually, sensible business owners are fed up with paying for useless, to
them, projects which benefit only friends of the mare!!

That is why business owners are leaving Deadmonton as fast as they can, and
why potential businesses are advised to locate anywhere but here!!

Just look at the list of MAJOR businesses that have left, many without input
>from your favourite critic.

On the other hand, Calgary, and even communities surrounding Redmonton have
flourished because of the unsavoury reputation of the city mismamanaged by
Maurer, Mandel and their sycophants.

Notice that the loon Robert Welldumb just can not find even one point with
which to disagree as to the FACTS?

Guess even he must be in total agreement with allk the details provided,
as to why business owners are listening to their accountants, and leaving
Deadmonton!!

Sharx and Grosvenor work for their clients, not for the fat slugs overpaid at
EDE, or those numbnuts overpaid on council!!

SOME of the businesses that have moved out of Deadmonton, and taken jobs
when they left:
Allied Van Lines
Safeway Head Office
SHAW
Artisan Tile – owned by a Deadmonton Councillor!
Pepsi Cola
Coca Cola
Edmonton Crappers baseball team
All international airline flights to Europe and Asia!!
Levi-Strauss took 500 jobs alone

How many restaurants, bars, and gambling businesses have closed down, and jobs
lost because of communist council? Bingo halls and the charities depending on
them are going under all the time, thanks to the city council!!

Even NavCanada moved their operations out of Deadmonton.
Even the Tax Department/CRA have been quietly moving most of their jobs from
Deadmonton to Calgary.
So have EI/Employment Insurance
Passport processing was moved from Deadmonton to Vegreville, for pete’s sake!

Soon, Deadmonton will be inhabited solely by welfare recipients, both native
and white trash, with goverment and businesses all having left.

On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:41:11 GMT, “Robert Weldon”
wrote:
>”Rob Welldum” wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> Today’s Edmonton Journal [24 March 2006]in a feature article states that
>> Edmonton has lost many thousands of jobs, according to Statistics Canada.

>> This despite the ongoing lies from the overpaid staff at Edmonton
>> Economic Development, the recipients of more than $6 MILLION from the
>> poor taxpayers.

>> To add insult to injury, the fat overpaid hacks at EDE claim they do
>> not know why there is such a loss of jobs, when the economy of Alberta
>> is booming!!

>> How about a few suggestions for the jobs losses:
>> 1. Independent business owners resent having their taxes go to
>> subsidize another business – such as the $650,000 given last year to
>> the West Edmonton Mall car race! Apparently the clowns on council
>> will be donating a similar sum to WEM again this summer!

>> 2. The wastage of HALF A MILLION DOLLARS by the Police Commission
>> in so-called severance pay to the former Chief whom THEY HAD FIRED FOR
>> JUST CAUSE! To add insult to injury, there was no provision in their
>> budget for this kickback!

>> 2. One major scandal after another, involving scams and the
>> police. The photo radar contract, where 2 junior cops are now charged
>> with receiving $437,000 in bribes from the US photo radar company. So
>> far, the chief of police involved is not yet charged.

>> Then, the papers for the past week are full of stories involving fraud
>> in connection with so-called police charities scamming the public.

>> 3. Irregularitioes involving the city tax assessment department,
>> where friends of city managers get extremely favourable valuations. A
>> taxpayer last year took the city to tax court, and proved that a
>> lawyer, had for 8 years, had his property deliberately UNDERASSESSED
>> EACH YEAR BY ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS – $149,500 when
>> the lawyer had declared the value to be $600,000!!
>> No honest businessman likes to be subsidising crooks and friends of
>> crooked city staffers!

>> 4. Waste of more than $6 MILLION each year to EDE, when the Chamber
>> of Commerce which gets NO city or taxpayer cash, is in fact working to
>> bring businesses and jobs to town. It seems that the only jobs created
>> by or through EDE, are the jobs filled by the fat cats drawing the
>> high salaries with all kinds of expenses, but with no measurements of
>> their performance!!

>> 5. Waste of over $4.8 MILLION a year, to the overpaid goons of the
>> Redmonton Oilers team, where the minimum wage is over $600,000, yet
>> the taxpayers have to continue giving the team more millions each
>> year!! If they can not survive with subsidy, then like any other
>> business, let them go under, or leave town.

>> 6. Interference by city council in the normal business affairs
>> and operations of businesses. The anti-smoking laws have forced many
>> businesses, and even Legion branches to go under. Those surviving have
>> seen massive drops in their customers, resulting in fewer staff being
>> needed.

>> 7. City interference in airport convenience. When the city forced
>> the virtual closure of the in town city center airport, jobs were
>> lost, and many business people from northern communities have been
>> boycotting Edmonton accordingly. They find that it is no more
>> expensive, and far more convenient to fly to Calgary to do their
>> business and purchsing, rather than have to pay the exorbitant cab
>> fares to and from the Leduc airport, plus all the travel time wasted.

>> 8. Edmonton silly councillors are trying to hike their pay again,
>> after jacking up taxes to homeowners by more than 30% in the last few
>> years! They even get a third of their salaries TAX-FREE, which they do
>> not deserve for the rotten jobs they do. They should all be paid
>> around $30,000, with bonuses based on PERFORMANCE, such as tax
>> savings, cost reductions,recoveries from criminals, recoveries from
>> developers and WEM,and similar.

>> These are but SOME of the reasons that a business owner would consider
>> Edmonton NOT suitable for investment, compared to other communities in
>> northern Alberta.

>> Hell, even a city councillor, Mike Nickel was forced to relocate his
>> tile businesses OUT OF EDMONTON, to Leduc because of problems with
>> city managers!!

>> I am sure that Sharx and Grosvenor, both capable accountants, can give
>> lots of stories as to why their clients have chosen to leave town,
>> with all the jobs.

>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit www.freedomsite.org

>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled – as fertiliser!!

>> “At a time of universal deceit – telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act.”
>> (George Orwell)

>> David Icke – ‘…and the truth shall set you free’

>> “All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident.”
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)

>> “The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them — except force.” — John Bryant

>> “To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore.”
>> –John Bryant

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Mare Mandel is desperately trying to make Edmonton Canada the Welfare Capital
of North America.

In the former Soviet Union the ZYD commies forced welfare housing everywhere,
giving all the parasitic welfare bums FREE housing, of sorts.

Now, Mandel wants to force developers and contractors in Edmonton, to GIVE THE
CITY 5% of all buildings to be constructed, so that the city can then provide
housing for welfare bums!!

This will increase the costs to homebuyers, as well as discouraging
construction.

Quite apart from the refusal by buyers to buy, when they know that next door
may be some undesirable welfare bum, subsidised by them and other taxpayers!!

When contractors refuse to build in Deadmonton, perhaps then the jew mare will
get the message. If he wants welfare housing, then let him move back to
Russia. Or, he can always put his own money into building housing for his
parasitic friends.

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On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:47:35 +0100, Matthias Kern
wrote:
>Ned Kelly schrieb:

>> Eisenhower’s Holocaust – His Slaughter Of More Than 1.7 Million
>> Germans No wonder Germans do not want to support Bush!

Eisenhower’s Holocaust – His Slaughter Of More Than 1.7 Million Germans
No wonder Germans do not want to support Bush!

From: “Neil Harrington”
Subject: Eisenhower’s death camps – with photos
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:34:57 -0500

Links to photographs of the relevant pages of Saturday Night magazine,
September 1989, can be found here:

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Eisenhower-death-camps.html

The article, “Eisenhower’s Death Camps: The last dirty secret of World War
Two,” includes some photos of the camps.

The author, James Bacque, later expanded this to a book entitled “Other
Losses.”

From: J Young
Subject: Eisenhower’s Holocaust …… “God, I hate the Germans…”
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:31:34 -0700

Unfortunately, the horrors of WWII continued well after May 8, 1945.

http://www.seanbryson.com/articles/eisenhower.html

On Sun, 13 May 2007 12:17:13 +0200, in de.soc.politik.misc Micha
wrote:

“God, I hate the Germans…” (Dwight David Eisenhower in a letter to his
wife in September, 1944)

First, I want you to picture something in your mind. You are a German
soldier who survived through the battles of World II. You were not
really politically involved, and your parents were also indifferent to
politics, but suddenly your education was interrupted and you were
drafted into the German army and told where to fight. Now, in the Spring
of 1945, you see that your country has been demolished by the Allies,
your cities lie in ruins, and half of your family has been killed or is
missing. Now, your unit is being surrounded, and it is finally time to
surrender. The fact is, there is no other choice.

It has been a long, cold winter. The German army rations have not been
all that good, but you managed to survive. Spring came late that year,
with weeks of cold rainy weather in demolished Europe. Your boots are
tattered, your uniform is falling apart, and the stress of surrender and
the confusion that lies ahead for you has your guts being torn out. Now,
it is over, you must surrender or be shot. This is war and the real world.

You are taken as a German Prisoner of War into American hands. The
Americans had 200 such Prisoner of War camps scattered across Germany.
You are marched to a compound surrounded with barbed wire fences as far
as the eye can see. Thousands upon thousands of your fellow German
soldiers are already in this make-shift corral. You see no evidence of a
latrine and after three hours of marching through the mud of the spring
rain, the comfort of a latrine is upper-most in your mind. You are
driven through the heavily guarded gate and find yourself free to move
about, and you begin the futile search for the latrine. Finally, you ask
for directions, and are informed that no such luxury exists.

No more time. You find a place and squat. First you were exhausted, then
hungry, then fearful, and now; dirty. Hundreds more German prisoners are
behind you, pushing you on, jamming you together and every one of them
searching for the latrine as soon as they could do so. Now, late in the
day, there is no space to even squat, much less sit down to rest your
weary legs. None of the prisoners, you quickly learn, have had any food
that day, in fact there was no food while in the American hands that any
surviving prisoner can testify to. No one has eaten any food for weeks,
and they are slowly starving and dying. But, they can’t do this to us!
There are the Geneva Convention rules for the treatment of Prisoners of
War. There must be some mistake! Hope continues through the night, with
no shelter from the cold, biting rain.

Your uniform is sopping wet, and formerly brave soldiers are weeping all
around you, as buddy after buddy dies from the lack of food, water,
sleep and shelter from the weather. After weeks of this, your own hope
bleeds off into despair, and finally you actually begin to envy those
who, having surrendered first manhood and then dignity, now also
surrender life itself. More hopeless weeks go by. Finally, the last
thing you remember is falling, unable to get up, and lying face down in
the mud mixed with the excrement of those who have gone before.

Your body will be picked up long after it is cold, and taken to a
special tent where your clothing is stripped off. So that you will be
quickly forgotten, and never again identified, your dog-tag is snipped
in half and your body along with those of your fellow soldiers are
covered with chemicals for rapid decomposition and buried. You were not
one of the exceptions, for more than one million seven hundred thousand
German Prisoners of War died from a deliberate policy of extermination
by starvation, exposure, and disease, under direct orders of the General
Dwight David Eisenhower.

One month before the end of World War 11, General Eisenhower issued
special orders concerning the treatment of German Prisoners and specific
in the language of those orders was this statement,

“Prison enclosures are to provide no shelter or other comforts.”

Eisenhower biographer Stephen Ambrose, who was given access to the
Eisenhower personal letters, states that he proposed to exterminate the
entire German General Staff, thousands of people, after the war.

Eisenhower, in his personal letters, did not merely hate the Nazi
Regime, and the few who imposed its will down from the top, but that HE
HATED THE GERMAN PEOPLE AS A RACE. It was his personal intent to destroy
as many of them as he could, and one way was to wipe out as many
prisoners of war as possible.

Of course, that was illegal under International law, so he issued an
order on March 10, 1945 and verified by his initials on a cable of that
date, that German Prisoners of War be predesignated as “Disarmed Enemy
Forces” called in these reports as DEF. He ordered that these Germans
did not fall under the Geneva Rules, and were not to be fed or given any
water or medical attention. The Swiss Red Cross was not to inspect the
camps, for under the DEF classification, they had no such authority or
jurisdiction.

Months after the war was officially over, Eisenhower’s special German
DEF camps were still in operation forcing the men into confinement, but
denying that they were prisoners. As soon as the war was over, General
George Patton simply turned his prisoners loose to fend for themselves
and find their way home as best they could. Eisenhower was furious, and
issued a specific order to Patton, to turn these men over to the DEF
camps. Knowing Patton as we do from history, we know that these orders
were largely ignored, and it may well be that Patton’s untimely and
curious death may have been a result of what he knew about these
wretched Eisenhower DEF camps.

The book, OTHER LOSSES, found its way into the hands of a Canadian news
reporter, Peter Worthington, of the OTTAWA SUN. He did his own research
through contacts he had in Canada, and reported in his column on
September 12,1989 the following, in part:

“…it is hard to escape the conclusion that Dwight Eisenhower was a war
criminal of epic proportions. His (DEF) policy killed more Germans in
peace than were killed in the European Theater.”

“For years we have blamed the 1.7 million missing German POW’s on the
Russians. Until now, no one dug too deeply … Witnesses and survivors
have been interviewed by the author; one Allied officer compared the
American camps to Buchenwald.”

It is known, that the Allies had sufficient stockpiles of food and
medicine to care for these German soldiers. This was deliberately and
intentionally denied them. Many men died of gangrene from frostbite due
to deliberate exposure. Local German people who offered these men food,
were denied. General Patton’s Third Army was the only command in the
European Theater to release significant numbers of Germans.

Others, such as Omar Bradley and General J.C.H. Lee, Commander of Com Z,
tried, and ordered the release of prisoners within a week of the war’s
end. However, a SHAEF Order, signed by Eisenhower, countermanded them on
May 15th.

Does that make you angry? What will it take to get the average apathetic
American involved in saving his country from such traitors at the top?
Thirty years ago, amid the high popularity of Eisenhower, a book was
written setting out the political and moral philosophy; of Dwight David
Eisenhower called, THE POLITICIAN, by Robert Welch. This year is the
107th Anniversary of Eisenhower’s birth in Denison, Texas on October 14,
1890, the son of Jacob David Eisenhower and his wife Ida. Everyone is
all excited about the celebration of this landmark in the history of
“this American patriot.” Senator Robert Dole, in honor of the Commander
of the American Death Camps, proposed that Washington’s Dulles Airport
be renamed the Eisenhower Airport!

The UNITED STATES MINT in Philadelphia, PA is actually issuing a special
Eisenhower Centennial Silver Dollar for only $25 each. They will only
mint 4 million of these collector’s items, and veteran’s magazines are
promoting these coins under the slogan, “Remember the Man…Remember the
Times…” Pardon me if I regurgitate!

There will be some veterans who will not be buying these coins. Two will
be Col. James Mason and Col. Charles Beasley who were in the U.S. Army
Medical Corps who published a paper on the Eisenhower Death Camps in
1950. They stated in part:

“Huddled close together for warmth, behind the barbed wire was a most
awesome sight; nearly 100,000 haggard, apathetic, dirty, gaunt,
blank-staring men clad in dirty gray uniforms, and standing ankle deep
in mud … water was a major problem, yet only 200 yards away the River
Rhine was running bank-full.”

Another Veteran, who will not be buying any of the Eisenhower Silver
Dollars is Martin Brech of Mahopac, New York, a semi-retired professor
of philosophy at Mercy College in Dobbs Ferry, NY. In 1945, Brech was an
18 year old Private First Class in Company C of the 14th Infantry,
assigned as a guard and interpreter at the Eisenhower Death Camp at
Andernach, along the Rhine River. He stated for SPOTLIGHT, February 12,
1990:

“My protests (regarding treatment of the German DEF’S) were met with
hostility or indifference, and when I threw our ample rations to them
over the barbed wire. I was threatened, making it clear that it was our
deliberate policy not to adequately feed them.”

“When they caught me throwing C- Rations over the fence, they threatened
me with imprisonment. One Captain told me that he would shoot me if he
saw me again tossing food to the Germans … Some of the men were really
only boys 13 years of age…Some of the prisoners were old men drafted
by Hitler in his last ditch stand … I understand that average weight
of the prisoners at Andernach was 90 pounds…I have received threats
… Nevertheless, this…has liberated me, for I may now be heard when I
relate the horrible atrocity I witnessed as a prison guard for one of
‘Ike’s death camps’ along the Rhine.” (Betty Lou Smith Hanson)

Note: Remember the photo of Ike’s West Point yearbook picture when he
was dubbed “IKE, THE TERRIBLE SWEDISH JEW”? By the way, he was next, or
nearly so, to the last in his class. This article was first printed in
1990, but we thought it was meaningful to reprint it now.

Note: During Cadet Eisenhower’s time at West Point Academy, Eisenhower
was summoned to the office of the headmaster and was asked some pointed
questions. At the time, it was routine procedure to test a cadet’s blood
to insure White racial integrity.

Apparently, there was a question of Eisenhower’s racial lineage and this
was brought to Eisenhower’s attention by the headmaster. When asked if
he was part Oriental, Eisenhower replied in the negative. After some
discussion, Eisenhower admitted having Jewish background. The headmaster
then reportedly said, “That’s where you get your Oriental blood?”
Although he was allowed to remain at the academy, word got around since
this was a time in history when non-Whites were not allowed into the
academy. Note – The issue of Eisenhower’s little-known Jewish background
in academically essential in understanding his psychopathic hatred of
German men, women and children.

Later, in Eisenhower’s West Point Military Academy graduating class
yearbook, published in 1915, Eisenhower is identified as a “terrible
Swedish Jew.”

Wherever Eisenhower went during his military career, Eisenhower’s Jewish
background and secondary manifesting behavior was a concern to his
fellow officers. During World War II when Col. Eisenhower was working
for Gen. Douglas MacArthur in the South Pacific, MacArthur protested to
his superiors in Washington (DC) that Eisenhower was incompetent and
that he did not want Eisenhower on his staff.

In 1943, Washington not only transferred Col. Eisenhower to Europe but
promoted him over more than 30 more experienced senior officers to five
star general and placed him in charge of all the US forces in Europe.

Thus it comes as no surprise that General George Patton, a real Aryan
warrior, hated Eisenhower.

[Ed: Patton was keen to fight the Soviets, and reportedly kept some
German units ready to move against the Soviets…unsurprisingly he was
killed; after the war, in a ‘car crash,’ just like Lawrence of Arabia
was conveniently bumped off, in a similar manner, for his ‘pro-fascist’
views].

Comment
From George
12-28-3

Finally, the truth about Ike. He was a zionist!, a racist! and a
slaughterer of innocents! He was always these things. And all anyone
remembers is his famous quote “to beware of the military/industrial
complex.” Like this knowledge means he was a great precient prophet,
when he was really a part of the NWO and helped set the US up for all
that followed. The tooling jobs and industry started to leave the US in
the early ’50’s, when Ike got into power. It was Japan they were
building. Notice the difference between the destruction of Japan and the
quick buildup of the Philipines and Japan and the Pacific the US took
over, after the war of hegemony to steal the wealth of the Pacific Rim
and present day Afghanistan, Iraq etc., now that the zionists rule the
‘world’. The zionist essence is evil, destructive and self-destructive.
Ike was a tool of the zionist evil essence.

German POW’s Diary Reveals More Of Ike’s Holocaust
12-29-3

Note – The following diary extract has been provided by the nephew of
the author under the conditions we honor his request for anonymity. -ed

A transcript of my Uncle’s words…from my Mother’s diary:

“Suddenly an American Jeep moved towards us and several American
Soldiers surrounded us. There was no officer in charge, and the first
thing the ‘Amis’ did – they liberated us, I mean, from our few
valuables, mainly rings and watches…….. We were now prisoners of
war- no doubt about it!

The first night we were herded into a barn, where we met about 100 men
who shared the same fate. To make my story short, we were finally
transported to Fuerstenfeldbruck near Munich. Here we, who were gathered
around Hermann, interrupted him and gasped in dismay.

Fuerstenfeldbruck had become known to us as one of the most cruel POW
camps in the American zone.

Then my brother continued:

Again we were searched and had to surrender everything, even our field
utensils, except a spoon. Here, in freezing temperature, 20,000 of us
were squeezed together on the naked ground, without blanket or cover,
exposed day and night to the winter weather.

For six days we received neither food nor water! We used our spoons to
catch drops of rain.

We were surrounded by heavy tanks. During the night bright searchlights
blinded us, so that sleep was impossible. We napped from time to time,
standing up and leaning against each other. It was keeping us warmer
that sitting on the frozen ground.

Many of us were near collapse. One of our comrades went mad, he jumped
around wildly, wailing and whimpering. he was shot at once. His body was
lying on the ground, and we were not allowed to come near him. He was
not he only one. Each suspicious movement caused the guards to shoot
into the crowd, and a few were always hit.

German civilians, mainly women of the surrounding villages, tried to
approach the camp to bring food and water for us prisoners. they were
chased away.

Our German officers could finally succeed to submit an official protest,
particularly because of the deprivation of water. As a response, a fire
hose was thrown into the midst of the densely crowded prisoners and then
turned on. Because of the high water pressure the hose moved violently
to and fro. Prisoners tumbled, fell, got up and ran again to catch a bit
of water. In that confusion the water went to waste, and the ground
under us turned into slippery mud. All the while the ‘Amis’ watched that
spectacle, finding it very funny and most entertaining. They laughed at
our predicament as hard as they could. Then suddenly, they turned the
water off again.

We had not expected that the Americans would behave in such a manner. We
could hardly believe it. War brutalizes human beings.

One day later we were organized into groups of 400 men …. We were to
receive two cans of food for each man. This is how it was to be done:
The prisoners had to run through he slippery mud, and each one had to
grab his two cans quickly, at the moment he passed the guards. One of my
comrades slipped and could not run fast enough, He was shot at once ….

On May 10th , several truckloads of us were transported the the garrison
of Ulm by the Danube….. As each man jumped into the truck, a guard
kicked him in the backbone with his rifle butt.

We arrived in the city of Heilbronn by the Neckar, In the end we counted
240,000 men, who lived on the naked ground and without cover.

Spring and summer were mild this year, but we were starving. At 6;00 am
we received coffee, at noon about a pint of soup and 100 grams of bread
a day……..

The ‘Amis’ gave us newspapers in German language, describing the terrors
of the concentration camps. We did not believe any of it. We figured the
Americans only wanted to demoralize us further.

The fields on which we lived belonged to the farmers of the area…soon
nothing of the clover and other sprouting greens were left, and the
trees were barren. We had eaten each blade of grass…..

In some camps there were Hungarian POW’s. 15,000 of them. Mutiny against
their officers broke out twice amongst them. After the second mutiny the
Americans decided to use German prisoners to govern the Hungarians.
Since the Hungarians were used as workers they were well fed. There was
more food than they could eat. But when the Germans asked the Americans
for permission to bring the Hungarians’ leftovers into the camps of the
starving Germans, it was denied. The Americans rather destroyed surplus
food, than giving it to the Germans.

Sometimes it happened that groups of our own men were gathered and
transported away. We presumed they were discharged to go home, and
naturally, we wished to be among them. Much later we heard they were
sent to labor camps! My mother’s cousin, feared that he would be drafted
into the Hitler Youth SS, he volunteered to the marines, in 1945 his
unit was in Denmark. On April 20th they were captured by the Americans.
his experience in the POW camp was identical that of my brother’s. They
lived in open fields, did not receive and food and water the first six
days, and starved nearly to death. German wives and mothers who wanted
to throw loaves of bread over the fence, were chased off. The prisoners,
just to have something to chew, scraped the bark from young trees. my
cousins job was to report each morning how many had died during the
night. “and these were not just a few!” he adds to his report he wrote me.

It became known, that the conditions in the POW camps in the American
Zone were identical everywhere. We could therefore safely conclude, that
it was by intent and by orders from higher ups to starve the German
POW’s and we blamed General Eisenhower for it. He, who was of German
descent could not discern the evildoers during the Nazi time from our
decent people. We held that neglect of knowledge and understanding
severely against him.

I wish to quote the inscription on the grave stones of those of my
German compatriots who have already passed away:

We had to pass through fire and through water. But now you have loosened
our bonds.

The Jewish-controlled mass media never stops telling the world about the
six million Jews who died in World War II. While scientific research has now
conclusively disproved that pack of lies, news of the REAL holocaust – that
of three million Germans AFTER the war’s end, is now emerging.

How three million Germans died after VE Day — Nigel Jones reviews After the
Reich: From the Liberation of Vienna to the Berlin Airlift by Giles
MacDonogh.

Giles MacDonogh is a bon viveur and a historian of wine and gastronomy, but
in this book, pursuing his other consuming interest – German history – he
serves a dish to turn the strongest of stomachs. It makes particularly
uncomfortable reading for those who compare the disastrous occupation of
Iraq unfavourably to the post-war settlement of Germany and Austria.

MacDonogh argues that the months that followed May 1945 brought no peace to
the shattered skeleton of Hitler’s Reich, but suffering even worse than the
destruction wrought by the war.

His best estimate is that some three million Germans died unnecessarily
after the official end of hostilities. A million soldiers vanished before
they could creep back to the holes that had been their homes. The majority
of them died in Soviet captivity (of the 90,000 who surrendered at
Stalingrad, only 5,000 eventually came home) but, shamingly, many thousands
perished as prisoners of the Anglo-Americans. Herded into cages along the
Rhine, with no shelter and very little food, they dropped like flies.

Others, more fortunate, toiled as slave labour in a score of Allied
countries, often for years. Incredibly, some Germans were still being held
in Russia as late as 1979.

The two million German civilians who died were largely the old, women and
children: victims of disease, cold, hunger, suicide – and mass murder.

Apart from the well-known repeated rape of virtually every girl and woman
unlucky enough to be in the Soviet occupation zones, perhaps the most
shocking outrage recorded by MacDonogh – for the first time in English – is
the slaughter of a quarter of a million Sudeten Germans by their vengeful
Czech compatriots. The survivors of this ethnic cleansing, naked and
shivering, were pitched across the border, never to return to their homes.
Similar scenes were seen across Poland, Silesia and East Prussia as age-old
German communities were brutally expunged.

Given that what amounted to a lesser Holocaust was unfolding under their
noses, it may be asked why the western Allies did not stop this venting of
long-dammed-up rage on the (mainly) innocent. MacDonogh’s answer is that it
could all have been even worse. The US Treasury Secretary, the Jew Henry
Morgenthau, favoured turning Germany into a gigantic farm, and there were
genocidal schemes afoot to starve, sterilise or deport the population of
what was left of the bombed-out cities.

It was Realpolitik, not humanitarian concern, that caused a swift shift in
western attitudes towards their former foes. Fear of Communism spreading
into the heart of Europe, and the barbarities of the Russians – who
kidnapped and killed hundreds of their perceived enemies from the western
zones of Berlin and Vienna – belatedly made the West realise that they had
beaten one totalitarian power only to be threatened by another.

Although MacDonogh roundly condemns all the occupying powers, the British
emerge with some credit. Apart from one Air Marshal who looted art
treasures; and an MI5 interrogator nicknamed ‘Tin Eye’ Stephens who ran a
private torture chamber, British hands may have been grubby, but were not
deeply blood-stained.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/04/15/bomac14.xml

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
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WITH NAZIS – another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case –
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PAMYAT – http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele – www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA – http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE – Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
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Yggdrasil’s White Nationalist Library – http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance – http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History – http://www.hoffman-info.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:23:43 -0800, Loaf of Bread
wrote:
>On Nov 8, 6:29 pm, VictorRCurious wrote:

>[usual whining and complaining snipped]

>I guess now we know why property taxes are going up.

>Grossievenor here is driving employers away from the city with all his
>bellyaching, and the rest of us have to pick up the load.

Actually, sensible business owners are fed up with paying for useless, to
them, projects which benefit only friends of the mare!!

That is why business owners are leaving Deadmonton as fast as they can, and
why potential businesses are advised to locate anywhere but here!!

Just look at the list of MAJOR businesses that have left, many without input
>from your favourite critic.

On the other hand, Calgary, and even communities surrounding Redmonton have
flourished because of the unsavoury reputation of the city mismamanaged by
Maurer, Mandel and their sycophants.

Notice that the loon Robert Welldumb just can not find even one point with
which to disagree as to the FACTS?

Guess even he must be in total agreement with allk the details provided,
as to why business owners are listening to their accountants, and leaving
Deadmonton!!

Sharx and Grosvenor work for their clients, not for the fat slugs overpaid at
EDE, or those numbnuts overpaid on council!!

SOME of the businesses that have moved out of Deadmonton, and taken jobs
when they left:
Allied Van Lines
Safeway Head Office
SHAW
Artisan Tile – owned by a Deadmonton Councillor!
Pepsi Cola
Coca Cola
Edmonton Crappers baseball team
All international airline flights to Europe and Asia!!
Levi-Strauss took 500 jobs alone

How many restaurants, bars, and gambling businesses have closed down, and jobs
lost because of communist council? Bingo halls and the charities depending on
them are going under all the time, thanks to the city council!!

Even NavCanada moved their operations out of Deadmonton.
Even the Tax Department/CRA have been quietly moving most of their jobs from
Deadmonton to Calgary.
So have EI/Employment Insurance
Passport processing was moved from Deadmonton to Vegreville, for pete’s sake!

Soon, Deadmonton will be inhabited solely by welfare recipients, both native
and white trash, with goverment and businesses all having left.

On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:41:11 GMT, “Robert Weldon”
wrote:
>”Rob Welldum” wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> Today’s Edmonton Journal [24 March 2006]in a feature article states that
>> Edmonton has lost many thousands of jobs, according to Statistics Canada.

>> This despite the ongoing lies from the overpaid staff at Edmonton
>> Economic Development, the recipients of more than $6 MILLION from the
>> poor taxpayers.

>> To add insult to injury, the fat overpaid hacks at EDE claim they do
>> not know why there is such a loss of jobs, when the economy of Alberta
>> is booming!!

>> How about a few suggestions for the jobs losses:
>> 1. Independent business owners resent having their taxes go to
>> subsidize another business – such as the $650,000 given last year to
>> the West Edmonton Mall car race! Apparently the clowns on council
>> will be donating a similar sum to WEM again this summer!

>> 2. The wastage of HALF A MILLION DOLLARS by the Police Commission
>> in so-called severance pay to the former Chief whom THEY HAD FIRED FOR
>> JUST CAUSE! To add insult to injury, there was no provision in their
>> budget for this kickback!

>> 2. One major scandal after another, involving scams and the
>> police. The photo radar contract, where 2 junior cops are now charged
>> with receiving $437,000 in bribes from the US photo radar company. So
>> far, the chief of police involved is not yet charged.

>> Then, the papers for the past week are full of stories involving fraud
>> in connection with so-called police charities scamming the public.

>> 3. Irregularitioes involving the city tax assessment department,
>> where friends of city managers get extremely favourable valuations. A
>> taxpayer last year took the city to tax court, and proved that a
>> lawyer, had for 8 years, had his property deliberately UNDERASSESSED
>> EACH YEAR BY ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS – $149,500 when
>> the lawyer had declared the value to be $600,000!!
>> No honest businessman likes to be subsidising crooks and friends of
>> crooked city staffers!

>> 4. Waste of more than $6 MILLION each year to EDE, when the Chamber
>> of Commerce which gets NO city or taxpayer cash, is in fact working to
>> bring businesses and jobs to town. It seems that the only jobs created
>> by or through EDE, are the jobs filled by the fat cats drawing the
>> high salaries with all kinds of expenses, but with no measurements of
>> their performance!!

>> 5. Waste of over $4.8 MILLION a year, to the overpaid goons of the
>> Redmonton Oilers team, where the minimum wage is over $600,000, yet
>> the taxpayers have to continue giving the team more millions each
>> year!! If they can not survive with subsidy, then like any other
>> business, let them go under, or leave town.

>> 6. Interference by city council in the normal business affairs
>> and operations of businesses. The anti-smoking laws have forced many
>> businesses, and even Legion branches to go under. Those surviving have
>> seen massive drops in their customers, resulting in fewer staff being
>> needed.

>> 7. City interference in airport convenience. When the city forced
>> the virtual closure of the in town city center airport, jobs were
>> lost, and many business people from northern communities have been
>> boycotting Edmonton accordingly. They find that it is no more
>> expensive, and far more convenient to fly to Calgary to do their
>> business and purchsing, rather than have to pay the exorbitant cab
>> fares to and from the Leduc airport, plus all the travel time wasted.

>> 8. Edmonton silly councillors are trying to hike their pay again,
>> after jacking up taxes to homeowners by more than 30% in the last few
>> years! They even get a third of their salaries TAX-FREE, which they do
>> not deserve for the rotten jobs they do. They should all be paid
>> around $30,000, with bonuses based on PERFORMANCE, such as tax
>> savings, cost reductions,recoveries from criminals, recoveries from
>> developers and WEM,and similar.

>> These are but SOME of the reasons that a business owner would consider
>> Edmonton NOT suitable for investment, compared to other communities in
>> northern Alberta.

>> Hell, even a city councillor, Mike Nickel was forced to relocate his
>> tile businesses OUT OF EDMONTON, to Leduc because of problems with
>> city managers!!

>> I am sure that Sharx and Grosvenor, both capable accountants, can give
>> lots of stories as to why their clients have chosen to leave town,
>> with all the jobs.

>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit www.freedomsite.org

>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled – as fertiliser!!

>> “At a time of universal deceit – telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act.”
>> (George Orwell)

>> David Icke – ‘…and the truth shall set you free’

>> “All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident.”
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)

>> “The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them — except force.” — John Bryant

>> “To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore.”
>> –John Bryant

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Mare Mandel is desperately trying to make Edmonton Canada the Welfare Capital
of North America.

In the former Soviet Union the ZYD commies forced welfare housing everywhere,
giving all the parasitic welfare bums FREE housing, of sorts.

Now, Mandel wants to force developers and contractors in Edmonton, to GIVE THE
CITY 5% of all buildings to be constructed, so that the city can then provide
housing for welfare bums!!

This will increase the costs to homebuyers, as well as discouraging
construction.

Quite apart from the refusal by buyers to buy, when they know that next door
may be some undesirable welfare bum, subsidised by them and other taxpayers!!

When contractors refuse to build in Deadmonton, perhaps then the jew mare will
get the message. If he wants welfare housing, then let him move back to
Russia. Or, he can always put his own money into building housing for his
parasitic friends.

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On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:07:35 -0700, “TopPoster” wrote:

>And you think you live in a free country

>Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
>they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
>a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
>should be kept. If it doesn’t, the belief should not only be discarded, but
>the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous

>”Robert Weldon” wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>>
>> “HakimHaroun” wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>> > Mare Mandel is desperately trying to make Edmonton Canada the Welfare
>> > Capital of North America.

>> > In the former Soviet Union the ZYD commies forced welfare housing
>> > everywhere, giving all the parasitic welfare bums FREE housing, of sorts.

>> > Now, Mandel wants to force developers and contractors in Edmonton, to GIVE
>> > THE CITY 5% of all buildings to be constructed, so that the city can then
>> > provide housing for welfare bums!!

>> > This will increase the costs to homebuyers, as well as discouraging
>> > construction.

>> > Quite apart from the refusal by buyers to buy, when they know that next door
>> > may be some undesirable welfare bum, subsidised by them and other
>> > taxpayers!!

>> > When contractors refuse to build in Deadmonton, perhaps then the jew mare
>> > will get the message. If he wants welfare housing, then let him move back to
>> > Russia. Or, he can always put his own money into building housing for his
>> > parasitic friends.

>> You may have a valid point here, however I fail to see what the mayor’s
>> religion has to do with any of this.
>> And are you saying that he is a Russian immigrant? I do see, however,that
>> you are a racist Grosvenor. Under Canadian hate crime law, you can be
>> deported for what you are saying. Is that what you want, so you can be just
>> like your hero Zundel?

Sorry parasite Welldumb, but citizens of Canada can not be deported from
Canada!! Yes, I do dislike communists, as do most property developers, just
ask them what THEY think about Mandel’s proposals!!

Mind you, perhaps your employers may wish to fire you for theft of computer
usage?

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Many of my clients have gone to the USA to buy vehicles.
They are saving from $7,000 to over $30,000 per vehicle.
The best deal was for the BMW X5.

The Edmonton Journal has had a top reporter in Great Falls Montana for a week.

he intervgiewed both Edmonton shoppers, and local business people.
All are happy with the deals.

Edmonton rip-off car dealers are expecting many bankruptcies in the coming
months.

Tough for them!

As for the lawsuits against the Canadian swindle manufacturers, let them also
go under.

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 07:27:34 -0800 (PST), Tmuld wrote:

>Hello,

>I heard about this class action suit against automakers:

>http://www.jruslaw.com/classactions/carprice.shtml

>Anyone have any stories about buying cars in the US compared to
>Canada? Is there really a big price difference?
>Anyone notice Canadian retailers lowering car prices?

>Should I wait, or should I be heading to the US?

>Comments?

>Thanks,

>Tmuld.

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This is but a small sample of the criminal activities involving the crooked
cops in the Edmonton Police Service.

They have been shown on worldwide TV, such as the incident when a burly cop
pounded a young woman’s face repeatedly into the pavement, for no reason.

Then, there is the incident of a crooked cop tasering a 66 year old lawyer
because the lawyer was photographing police torture for use as evidence.

And of course, the police refuse to look for the serial killer of all the
prostitutes, leading cynics to believe that it must be a crooked cop involved.

And don’t forget the bribery charges against crooked cops involved in the
photo radar case.

Plus the drunk driving cops.

Plus the people killed by a cop driving recklessly.

And on and on.

Do not also forget, that it is the taxpayers who are paying for the bar in
police headquarteres, where cops are allowed to get drunk at the end of their
shifts, and then drive home drunk!!

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:48:07 -0800, Robert LaCasse wrote:

>Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:56:37 -0600
>From: [email protected] sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca
>Subject: Drunken guest allowed to roam police headquarters -officer

>Drunken guest allowed to roam police headquarters — officer
>(http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/cityplus/story.html?id=371ba782-3e3b-4321-ab12-8ed92b82be0b)

>Constable faces disciplinary hearing

>Ryan Cormier, The Edmonton Journal

>EDMONTON – A police officer allowed a drunk guest to roam Edmonton Police
>Service headquarters while partying in the building’s bar, a constable told
>a disciplinary hearing Thursday.

>On Feb. 20, 2005, Const. Mark Kubitza said he went to the licensed lounge
>after his shift in the holding cell area of the building ended at 5 a.m.

>When he arrived, he said he saw Const. Sebastien Berube drinking along with
>an unidentified male and two strip-club waitresses. A number of empty beer
>cans were on their table.

>”They were all very boisterous, loud and quite obviously under the influence
>of alcohol,” Kubitza told the hearing. He added that both women “were rather
>scantily clad.”

>The officer said he later saw a third man passed out on a couch in another
>part of the lounge.

>Guests are allowed into headquarters to go to the bar, but must be signed in
>and strictly supervised, the hearing was told.

>At one point, Kubitza said Berube’s male guest left alone and later came
>back through the locked main lounge doors without having to be let in.

>”I could only presume he was provided with a card key to gain access to the
>lounge.”

>Berube and one of the women left for a short period of time, leaving the
>remaining guests unsupervised, Kubitza said.

>Berube was charged with insubordination for not supervising his guests that
>night. Four charges of deceit also were laid against him because of
>statements he made to an officer investigating his alleged misconduct.

>Berube has pleaded not guilty to all the charges. He has been suspended with
>pay.

>Kubitza said he went to the lounge that night to have a beer with Sgt. Randy
>Goss, who later filed a complaint about Berube that led to an internal
>investigation. Berube’s lawyer, Tom Engel, told the hearing he plans to call
>witnesses who will testify the behaviour in the lounge that night was not
>uncommon. Many officers know of similar behaviour in the bar that is not
>punished, Engel said.

>”If not approved, at least condoned,” Engel said. “It’s something my client
>has witnessed, it’s something he was told.”

>The hearing resumes Feb. 25.

>[email protected]

>© The Edmonton Journal 2007

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Subject: Re: Edmonton HAS Become Welfare City!! Normal People Not Welcome!
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:07:35 -0700, “TopPoster” wrote:

>And you think you live in a free country

>Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
>they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
>a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
>should be kept. If it doesn’t, the belief should not only be discarded, but
>the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous

>”Robert Weldon” wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>>
>> “HakimHaroun” wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>> > Mare Mandel is desperately trying to make Edmonton Canada the Welfare
>> > Capital of North America.

>> > In the former Soviet Union the ZYD commies forced welfare housing
>> > everywhere, giving all the parasitic welfare bums FREE housing, of sorts.

>> > Now, Mandel wants to force developers and contractors in Edmonton, to GIVE
>> > THE CITY 5% of all buildings to be constructed, so that the city can then
>> > provide housing for welfare bums!!

>> > This will increase the costs to homebuyers, as well as discouraging
>> > construction.

>> > Quite apart from the refusal by buyers to buy, when they know that next door
>> > may be some undesirable welfare bum, subsidised by them and other
>> > taxpayers!!

>> > When contractors refuse to build in Deadmonton, perhaps then the jew mare
>> > will get the message. If he wants welfare housing, then let him move back to
>> > Russia. Or, he can always put his own money into building housing for his
>> > parasitic friends.

>> You may have a valid point here, however I fail to see what the mayor’s
>> religion has to do with any of this.
>> And are you saying that he is a Russian immigrant? I do see, however,that
>> you are a racist Grosvenor. Under Canadian hate crime law, you can be
>> deported for what you are saying. Is that what you want, so you can be just
>> like your hero Zundel?

Sorry parasite Welldumb, but citizens of Canada can not be deported from
Canada!! Yes, I do dislike communists, as do most property developers, just
ask them what THEY think about Mandel’s proposals!!

Mind you, perhaps your employers may wish to fire you for theft of computer
usage?

From [email protected] Mon Nov 26 11:22:01 EST 2007
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From: HakenKreuz
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Subject: Re: Car Lawsuit – price difference between the US and Canada
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Many of my clients have gone to the USA to buy vehicles.
They are saving from $7,000 to over $30,000 per vehicle.
The best deal was for the BMW X5.

The Edmonton Journal has had a top reporter in Great Falls Montana for a week.

he intervgiewed both Edmonton shoppers, and local business people.
All are happy with the deals.

Edmonton rip-off car dealers are expecting many bankruptcies in the coming
months.

Tough for them!

As for the lawsuits against the Canadian swindle manufacturers, let them also
go under.

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 07:27:34 -0800 (PST), Tmuld wrote:

>Hello,

>I heard about this class action suit against automakers:

>http://www.jruslaw.com/classactions/carprice.shtml

>Anyone have any stories about buying cars in the US compared to
>Canada? Is there really a big price difference?
>Anyone notice Canadian retailers lowering car prices?

>Should I wait, or should I be heading to the US?

>Comments?

>Thanks,

>Tmuld.

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From: HakenKreuz
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Subject: Re: Drunken guest allowed to roam police headquarters -officer – AVOID Edmonton Canada
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This is but a small sample of the criminal activities involving the crooked
cops in the Edmonton Police Service.

They have been shown on worldwide TV, such as the incident when a burly cop
pounded a young woman’s face repeatedly into the pavement, for no reason.

Then, there is the incident of a crooked cop tasering a 66 year old lawyer
because the lawyer was photographing police torture for use as evidence.

And of course, the police refuse to look for the serial killer of all the
prostitutes, leading cynics to believe that it must be a crooked cop involved.

And don’t forget the bribery charges against crooked cops involved in the
photo radar case.

Plus the drunk driving cops.

Plus the people killed by a cop driving recklessly.

And on and on.

Do not also forget, that it is the taxpayers who are paying for the bar in
police headquarteres, where cops are allowed to get drunk at the end of their
shifts, and then drive home drunk!!

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:48:07 -0800, Robert LaCasse wrote:

>Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:56:37 -0600
>From: [email protected] sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca
>Subject: Drunken guest allowed to roam police headquarters -officer

>Drunken guest allowed to roam police headquarters — officer
>(http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/cityplus/story.html?id=371ba782-3e3b-4321-ab12-8ed92b82be0b)

>Constable faces disciplinary hearing

>Ryan Cormier, The Edmonton Journal

>EDMONTON – A police officer allowed a drunk guest to roam Edmonton Police
>Service headquarters while partying in the building’s bar, a constable told
>a disciplinary hearing Thursday.

>On Feb. 20, 2005, Const. Mark Kubitza said he went to the licensed lounge
>after his shift in the holding cell area of the building ended at 5 a.m.

>When he arrived, he said he saw Const. Sebastien Berube drinking along with
>an unidentified male and two strip-club waitresses. A number of empty beer
>cans were on their table.

>”They were all very boisterous, loud and quite obviously under the influence
>of alcohol,” Kubitza told the hearing. He added that both women “were rather
>scantily clad.”

>The officer said he later saw a third man passed out on a couch in another
>part of the lounge.

>Guests are allowed into headquarters to go to the bar, but must be signed in
>and strictly supervised, the hearing was told.

>At one point, Kubitza said Berube’s male guest left alone and later came
>back through the locked main lounge doors without having to be let in.

>”I could only presume he was provided with a card key to gain access to the
>lounge.”

>Berube and one of the women left for a short period of time, leaving the
>remaining guests unsupervised, Kubitza said.

>Berube was charged with insubordination for not supervising his guests that
>night. Four charges of deceit also were laid against him because of
>statements he made to an officer investigating his alleged misconduct.

>Berube has pleaded not guilty to all the charges. He has been suspended with
>pay.

>Kubitza said he went to the lounge that night to have a beer with Sgt. Randy
>Goss, who later filed a complaint about Berube that led to an internal
>investigation. Berube’s lawyer, Tom Engel, told the hearing he plans to call
>witnesses who will testify the behaviour in the lounge that night was not
>uncommon. Many officers know of similar behaviour in the bar that is not
>punished, Engel said.

>”If not approved, at least condoned,” Engel said. “It’s something my client
>has witnessed, it’s something he was told.”

>The hearing resumes Feb. 25.

>[email protected]

>© The Edmonton Journal 2007

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First Alberta cattle had BSE [Mad Cow Diesease], and many cattle had to be
exterminated.

Now Alberta cattle are shown to have TB, with more being exterminated.

Are cattle in Alberta being targeted by CIA/MOSSAD for experimentation?

Alberta cattlemen are starting to become very suspicious, and justifiably so!!

In Europe, there they are being infected with Avian Flu and Rabies.

And in many countries the bee populations are being killed.

Too many plagues at once, seeming to be biological warfare?

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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:12:40 -0800 (PST), Jigsaw1695
wrote:
>On Nov 26, 9:17?am, yitz…@yahoo.fr (Yitzhak) wrote:
>> Jigsaw1695 wrote:
>> > On Nov 26, 3:47?am, Earl Evleth wrote:

>> >> Of course China has plenty of money (dollars up the gingy)
>> >> and it is smart to trade them for real things.

>> >> Airbus to Sell 160 Jets to China
>> >> Monday November 26, 6:28 am ET
>> >> By Christopher Bodeen, Associated Press Writer
>> > Yea…I read the article yesterday.

Airbus seals $50bn aircraft deals -biggest deal in civil aviation history.
Bombardier Loses!

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:49:30 -0800, kangarooistan
wrote:

>Airbus seals $50bn aircraft deals

> Flying kangaroo look out

>Prince Walid bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud is the first private
>buyer of the A380 ” Flying Castle ” , with room for 20 camels and
>the entire family , in one plane

>Airbus, the European aircraft manufacturer, has secured an order worth
>up to $50bn from Middle Eastern carriers at the Dubai Aerospace Air
>Show.

>The company is said to have scored a major victory over Boeing, its US
>rival, winning an order worth $31bn from Emirates, the Dubai-owned
>airline, for 70 Airbus A350 aeroplanes.

>It is considered the biggest deal in civil aviation history.

>The deal, announced at the Dubai air show on Monday, includes an
>option to purchase 50 more aircraft, including the A380 superjumbo,
>the world’s largest passenger airliner.

>The A380 order adds to the carrier’s backlog of 47, the largest order
>for the super jumbo aircraft from any airline.

>Rolls-Royce is also a major beneficiary of the move, which may be
>worth as much as $8.4bn, as Rolls-Royce offers the only engine
>available on the Airbus airplane.

>Lucrative deals

>Separately, DAE Capital, the aircraft-leasing arm of Dubai Aerospace
>Enterprise, said it would purchase 70 Airbus A320s and 30 A350s for a
>total $13.7bn at list prices.

>”This agreement will help us meet the demand for new aircraft,
>particularly in the Middle East and Asia, over the next decade and
>more,” Robert Genise, chief executive officer of Dubai Aerospace’s DAE
>Capital leasing unit, said in a statement.

>”We are perfectly placed to secure our position by taking advantage of
>the significant growth of the aviation industry within this region and
>other emerging global markets.”

>Qatar Airways, another fast-growing Gulf airline, signed an agreement
>on Sunday with Boeing for 30 Dreamliners and five 777 cargo jets in a
>deal valued at $6.1bn at list prices.

>Akbar al-Baker, the Qatar Airways chief executive officer, indicated
>the government-owned carrier might go for a public share listing in
>three to four years’ time when the company starts making a profit.

>Gulf appetite

>Asked to explain the Gulf appetite for aircraft, John Leahy, Airbus
>sales chief, said: “If they don’t place their orders now, they won’t
>get the delivery early enough to meet their needs.”

>According to Boeing, the Middle East is expected to spend $190bn to
>buy 1,160 passenger jets over the next 19 years.

>Boeing estimates also claim that during that same period, passenger
>traffic in the region will grow annually by 5.7 per cent, while
>freight is due to rise by 7.1 per cent.

>These figures are way above the average world estimates for passenger
>and freight traffic.
>————————————————————————
>Private purchase

>Airbus has also named Prince Walid bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud, a
>Saudi billionaire, as the first private buyer of the A380.

>The prospective buyer’s identity had been kept secret for months but
>was unveiled to coincide with the Dubai air show.

>Walid, whose interests span from hotels and financial institutions,
>has ordered a VIP version of the A380, dubbed the “Flying Palace”.

>He already owns a Boeing 747-400, the newest type of the original
>jumbo jet currently in service.

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:35:18 -0800, Jay wrote:
>Ned Kelly wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:18:04 -0800, Jay wrote:
>>> Ned Kelly wrote:
>>>> So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
>>>> airplane crashes.

>>>> Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

>>>> AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

>>> Did you lose money holding Bombardier shares, or something?

>> No, I refused to buy anything from Bombardier, after having billions of
>> taxpayer dollars going to the scammers in Quebec!!

>So, why didn’t you just say that, instead of trying to incite fear into
>the masses in order to get people not to fly on Bombardier planes and
>cause the company to loss sales and profits? Kind of a roundabout way to
>get your point across, don’t you think?

With all the crashes of the Bumbardier aircraft, supposedly due to defective
landing gear, in Europe, Japan and who knows where else, the aircraft from
Bombardier are most definitely UNSAFE!!

I do not give a damn about jobs lost because of cancelled sales, but I do care
about unnecessary loss of life just because some business cuts corners to make
extra profits.

So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
airplane crashes.

Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7089318.stm

Emirates orders 82 Airbus planes

The latest Emirates deal is worth more than $20bn for Airbus
Emirates has ordered 82 Airbus jets, in a deal worth more than $20bn
(Ł9.6bn) for the European plane-maker.

The Dubai-based airline is buying 70 of Airbus’ mid-sized A350 model,
and 11 Airbus A380 twin-deck super jumbos.

Announced at the start of the Dubai air show, Emirates said the new
planes would play “an important role” in the growth of both the
airline and Dubai.

Emirates added that it also had the option to purchase a further 50
A350 aircraft at a future date.

Rolls-Royce deal

If this additional order goes ahead, the final deal will be worth
about $32bn for Airbus.

Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud
Airbus boss Tom Enders

The latest contract win for Airbus was also good news for British
engine-maker Rolls-Royce, as Emirates has chosen its units to power
the new planes.

It will be worth up to $8.4bn for Rolls-Royce if Emirates does go on
to buy the additional 50 A350 planes.

“Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud,” said
Airbus president and chief executive Tom Enders.

The order is welcome good news for Airbus parent group EADS.

Last week EADS warned it may have to deepen planned restructuring and
job cuts after its losses for the July to September period worsened to
775m euros ($1.14bn; Ł541m), compared with 189m euros last year.

It already plans to cut 10,000 jobs at Airbus over the next four
years.

Airbus designs and makes its wings in the UK.

>The news stories below about Quantas seem to be dated January 2002.

>All the crashes caused by defective landing gear on the Bombardier Q400, are
>being reported in the past few weeks – in other words NOW!!

>When all of Europe is dumping the Bombardier Q400, and suing Bombardier for
>many billions, there is definitely something wrong with Bombardier!

>As well, the media report that there are at least another 2 crashes in Japan
>with the Bombardier Q400 this year.

>Now, the European Safety Agency is demanding a “crisis meeting” with Canadian
>officials, to discuss the risks to European travellers caused by the defective
>Bombardier junk!! In a publicly issued statement, ESA promised to “take all
>measures to ensure the safety of European passengers and citizens”.

>Competitors of Bumbardier, such as EMBRAER, BAC, and the US firms, must really
>be having a field day, now that they can tell potential buyers about all the
>crashes with Bombardier!!

>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:24 -0400, “Paul” wrote:
>>>”Craig Welch” wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]
>>>> Ned Kelly said:

>>>>>As well the European Union are saying that most European airlines are now
>>>>>going to return all the Bombardier aircraft, following a number of crashes in
>>>>>the past few weeks, costing many airlines untold millions in damages due
>>>>>tounsafe Bombardier aircraft. Mind you airlines such as Horizon Air and
>>>>>Quantasstill are flying Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> There are no Quantas Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> Craig http://www.wazu.jp/
>>>> 1,239 Unicode fonts for 82 written language groups:
>>>> Price your own web plan: http://www.wazu.jp/hosting/
>>>I believe you are incorrect.

>>>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3078/is_200201/ai_n7819747

>>>http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/index.cfm?story=ON-20071022-000552-1606

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It sure looks like Jason Kodpuke is now representing himself as a quack?

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:23:58 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (The
Doctor) wrote:
>In article <[email protected].com>,
>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>In article ,
>>ElParedon wrote:
>>>
>>>”Kenneth McVay OBC” wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]
>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>> ElParedon wrote:
>>>>> They sure did. In December of 1944, at the battle of Srem, Nazis ran
>>>>>towards us to give themselves up yelling “Ich bin eine Jude”and they were,
>>>>>many of them
>>>>
>>>> No, Mr. Seredin, they were not. Most were mischlinge.
>>>
>>>When it is convenient to kikes they call them mischlings.
>>>But if a mischling happens to win a Nobel Prize, he automatically becomes a
>>>JEW.
>>
>>Alex Seredin (aka. Veneceremos, Serwad, Intrepid5, Conquistador, Strider, Rasputin,
>>Swagman, El Paredon, Saleh El Din, AmigoCabal, et. al. is a liar and hatemonger
>>of long standing who resides in Delray Beach, where he is a great embarrassment
>>to his community.
>>
>>Alex Seredin (Veneceremos and all his other aliases) is an over-the-hill
>>Serbian Muslim convert , who has been nominated more than once for Kook of
>>the Year on Usenet..
>>
>>THE WIT AND WISDOM OF ALEX SEREDIN; (WARNING: DO NOT READ WHILST DRINKING.)
>>
>>”Keep it all you want that is the truth. Jews are filthy in personal
>>hygiene, they are filthy in their habits, and they are filthy in their
>>manners.”
>>
>>”TO ME THEY LOOK NO DIFFERENT THAN THE NAZIS ;LOOKED, EXCEPT THAT THE NAZIS
>>WERE MORE CIVILIZED AND HELL OF A LOT CLEANER THAN THE JEWS ARE”.
>>
>>”THE WORLD IS MUCH BETTER INFORMED THAN YOU ABOUT THE HOLOCAUSTS OF
>>ALL KINDS.”
>>
>>”Mossad created Hamas, Hamas created Hezbollah. Saddam is a Mossad
>>employee, and so is George Bush!”
>>
>>”Osama is Great”
>>
>>”Osama is a Mosad agent”
>>
>>”Osama died in 2004″
>>
>>”Saddam is great,” and… “Saddam is a Jew, ” and “Saddam is a butcher,”
>>and… “Saddam is a hero of Israel. He has never ever done anything to harm
>>Jews! He started two wars on behalf and behest of Jews!”
>>
>>”The Holocaust never happened”
>>
>>”You are an arsehole! Dr. Shahak is a jew, a real Holocaust survivor”
>>
>>”60 million Russians died in German concentration camps.”
>>
>>JEWS MURDERED 100 MILLION RUSSIANS, BAYONETTED THE WHOLE CZAR’S FAMILY, AND
>>DESTROYED RUSSIA! MAY THEY ROT IN HELL
>>
>>”Jews killed JFK because he would not allow them to have nukes!”
>>
>>”Israel was behind the Sept. 11 attacks”
>>
>>”Is that why several hundred (Muslims) of the died anyway (in the WTC)?
>>
>>”Israel set off a nuke in Bali”
>>
>>”Jews killed 19 members of my family in Russia”
>>
>>”JEWS SLAUGHTERED MORE PEOPLE IN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE IN THE PAST 88 YEARS
>>THAN ALL THE WARS FOUGHT IN THE PAST 100 YEARS.”
>>
>>”Jews killed 19 members of my family in the Ukraine”
>>
>>”Russians are expendable!”
>>
>>”Jews killed 50 members of my family in Germany”
>>
>>”Jews have killed 10 million Palestinians ”
>>
>>”Jews killed 100 million in Russia”
>>
>>”Jews put James Traficant in jail for standing up to them.”
>>
>>”JEWS KILLED LITVENENKO USING THE SAME HEAVY METAL POISON THEY USED AGAINST
>>ARAFAT!”
>>
>>”THERE ARE ABOUT 700,000 SLAVES IN ISRAEL”
>>
>>”You are too stupid to understand that millions of people during WWII
>>comitted suicide out of desperation and fear!”
>>
>>”There are 700,000 Thai slaves in Israel.”
>>
>>”Every single day Jews kill at least half a dozen Palestinians, mostly
>>children.”
>>
>>”BEHEADING ARE EXECUTIONS WHICH WERE USED TEN TIMES MORE OFTEN IN EUROPE
>>THAN IN MIDDLE EAST, SND SRE STILL VBEING USED IN SOME PLACES .HITLER WAS
>>NOT NEARLY AS BRUTAL AS YOU FUCKING ZIONIST GARBAGE!”
>>
>>”I was in WWI,” and… “I was in the Boer War in South Africa,” and…
>>”I was a partisan who fought bravely in in WW2″ (when he was 9), and…
>>”I was in WWII,” and… “I was in the Australian RAAF, ” and…
>>”I was in Viet Nam, ” and… “I am part Masai,” and…
>>”I’m a Serbian,” and… “I am not a Serb, I have never had any connection to Serbia”.
>>
>>Alex Seredin wrote: (1995)
>>
>>”I have a name, my name is Alex Seredin. I live in Ottawa, Canada. I am
>>65 years old, and have lived through the WWII in Belgrade. You do not want to
>>provide me with your name because you are coward and a skunk, because you
>>hide behind anonymity to slander someone.”
>>
>>”I was educated in Prva Muska Gimnazija in Belgrade, moron! And
>>studied Serbian history in detail. I also visited the Slavija hill
>>with the person whom Serbia respects Nikola Pasic!” – Nikola Pasic
>>died in 1926, which would mean Alex is 100 years old.
>>
>>”I am not slandering Serbian nation, I was born a Serb,” and…
>>”I’m Canadian,” and… “I’m Australian,” and… “I am also an
>>Ozzy and a Kiwi as well!” and… “I’m an American” and “I’m a
>>direct descendant of Tamerlame” and… “I’m a direct descendant of
>>Kublai Khan” and… “I like Jews” and… “ANY KILLING IS NOT A
>>JOKE EXCEPT FOR A JEW!” and…
>>
>>”On April 20th we celebrate the birth of the greatest man of all
>>time: Adolf Hitler.” and… “Human? jews are not humans!”
>>
>>”99% of the Jews are Russian ex-communist trash. They must be
>>deported”
>>
>>”Jews came to America as slave traders and slave keepers.”
>>”ISRAEL NEVER REPAID A SINGLE CENT OF ANY LOAN TO UNITED STATES FORTHE PAST
>>30 YEARS!”
>>”ACTUALLY SEVERAL AUSCHWITZES EXIST IN ISRAEL, ONLY THEY ARE FAR MORE BRUTAL
>>THAN THE ORIGINAL AUSCHWITZ EVER WAS!”
>>”The sole supplier of arms to Palestinians are the jews.”
>>”NO JEWS WILL BE ELECTED IN 2004!!”
>>”THE ONLY TERRORISTS IN PALESTINE ARE ISRAELIS!”
>>”Adolf Hitler sent Eichman to Palestine, to encourage the
>>establishment of Israel.”
>>”Arafat and his government have been adamant in opposing all forms of
>>violence!”
>>”After the bible, Mein Kampf was the biggest seller in U.S.”
>>”Only one Jew died in the WTC attacks!!!”
>>”Anthrax cover up! (Jews did it)”
>>”Mossad Bombs Paradise Hotel in Mombasa”
>>”The US is commiting war crimes in Iraq!!!!!”
>>”I do have a Talmud written in the original Yiddish 19th century!”
>>
>>”There is secret version of the Talmud, made in a place called Cracow,
>> that is for Jews only. When you call Amazon.com and try to order a
>>Talmud, they will ask you if you are Jewish. If you aren’t they won’t
>>send it. If you say you are, they still won’t send it. I was taught
>>about it by a rabbi, who did so after all the Jews left.”
>>
>>” Jews do not write anything. They do not know anything. They are the
>>stupidest low life on Earth. All they do is sling two word insults at those
>>who despise them!”
>>
>>
>>”Albert Einstein was a genius and a thief at the same time. he was
>>married to Mileva Maric, a Serb, who was far greater
>>physicist than he ever was”
>>
>>” I fought bravely and heroically in every war from WW2 to Viet Nam you
>>f*****g coward.I was a partisan in Serbia in 1937″….. (when he was nine
>>years old)
>>
>>”I was there shithead, and knew dozens of Hungarian jews who
>>told me about the sellout. Hungarian jews are the only ones who had
>>Hungarian names. Arsehole Lantos, is one of the ZioNazis who survived!
>>
>>We muslims not only have a code of morality, we have established
>>code of morality for the rest of the world!
>>
>>But the best I saved for last:
>>”Every single word I have ever said was the truth!”
>>
>>Enjoy!!
>>
>>
>
>And Thank you Ken for the truth coming out.

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The murderer should have considered the consequences before he killed.

The expression is: You do the crime, you get the time.

Canada has no business interfering in the affairs of a foreign state, even in
Montana.

Let the garbage get executed, saving the Montana taxpayers the continuing cost
of care for this murderer.

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:15:33 -0800 (PST), “[email protected]
wrote:

>http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/11/27/death-row.html

>Albertan on death row takes Canadian government to court
>Last Updated: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 | 5:46 PM ET
>CBC News
>An Alberta man on death row in Montana is taking the Canadian
>government to court over its decision not to intervene in his case.

>Ronald Smith is shown being interviewed in prison by CBC-TV.
>(CBC)
>Lawyers representing Ronald Allen Smith on Tuesday submitted an
>application to the Federal Court of Canada for a judicial review of
>the government’s decision.

>On Nov. 1, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day said he wouldn’t ask
>American authorities to hand over Smith, who faces lethal injection
>for murdering two men in 1982 during a road trip south of the border.

>”We will not actively pursue bringing back to Canada murderers who
>have been tried in a democratic country that supports the rule of
>law,” Day told the House of Commons at the time.

>”It would send a wrong message. We want to preserve public safety here
>in Canada.”

>Smith’s lawyers argue that Day’s position is a tacit approval of
>Smith’s execution. Such approval violates Smith’s constitutional
>rights as a Canadian and his rights under international law, his
>lawyers say.

>Smith is the only Canadian on death row in the U.S.

>All three opposition leaders have written to the governor of Montana,
>asking him to commute Smith’s sentence to life imprisonment rather
>than execution.

>Canada abolished capital punishment from the Criminal Code in 1976,
>after hanging its last two inmates in Toronto on Nov. 11, 1962.

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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:12:40 -0800 (PST), Jigsaw1695
wrote:
>On Nov 26, 9:17?am, yitz…@yahoo.fr (Yitzhak) wrote:
>> Jigsaw1695 wrote:
>> > On Nov 26, 3:47?am, Earl Evleth wrote:

>> >> Of course China has plenty of money (dollars up the gingy)
>> >> and it is smart to trade them for real things.

>> >> Airbus to Sell 160 Jets to China
>> >> Monday November 26, 6:28 am ET
>> >> By Christopher Bodeen, Associated Press Writer
>> > Yea…I read the article yesterday.

Airbus seals $50bn aircraft deals -biggest deal in civil aviation history.
Bombardier Loses!

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:49:30 -0800, kangarooistan
wrote:

>Airbus seals $50bn aircraft deals

> Flying kangaroo look out

>Prince Walid bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud is the first private
>buyer of the A380 ” Flying Castle ” , with room for 20 camels and
>the entire family , in one plane

>Airbus, the European aircraft manufacturer, has secured an order worth
>up to $50bn from Middle Eastern carriers at the Dubai Aerospace Air
>Show.

>The company is said to have scored a major victory over Boeing, its US
>rival, winning an order worth $31bn from Emirates, the Dubai-owned
>airline, for 70 Airbus A350 aeroplanes.

>It is considered the biggest deal in civil aviation history.

>The deal, announced at the Dubai air show on Monday, includes an
>option to purchase 50 more aircraft, including the A380 superjumbo,
>the world’s largest passenger airliner.

>The A380 order adds to the carrier’s backlog of 47, the largest order
>for the super jumbo aircraft from any airline.

>Rolls-Royce is also a major beneficiary of the move, which may be
>worth as much as $8.4bn, as Rolls-Royce offers the only engine
>available on the Airbus airplane.

>Lucrative deals

>Separately, DAE Capital, the aircraft-leasing arm of Dubai Aerospace
>Enterprise, said it would purchase 70 Airbus A320s and 30 A350s for a
>total $13.7bn at list prices.

>”This agreement will help us meet the demand for new aircraft,
>particularly in the Middle East and Asia, over the next decade and
>more,” Robert Genise, chief executive officer of Dubai Aerospace’s DAE
>Capital leasing unit, said in a statement.

>”We are perfectly placed to secure our position by taking advantage of
>the significant growth of the aviation industry within this region and
>other emerging global markets.”

>Qatar Airways, another fast-growing Gulf airline, signed an agreement
>on Sunday with Boeing for 30 Dreamliners and five 777 cargo jets in a
>deal valued at $6.1bn at list prices.

>Akbar al-Baker, the Qatar Airways chief executive officer, indicated
>the government-owned carrier might go for a public share listing in
>three to four years’ time when the company starts making a profit.

>Gulf appetite

>Asked to explain the Gulf appetite for aircraft, John Leahy, Airbus
>sales chief, said: “If they don’t place their orders now, they won’t
>get the delivery early enough to meet their needs.”

>According to Boeing, the Middle East is expected to spend $190bn to
>buy 1,160 passenger jets over the next 19 years.

>Boeing estimates also claim that during that same period, passenger
>traffic in the region will grow annually by 5.7 per cent, while
>freight is due to rise by 7.1 per cent.

>These figures are way above the average world estimates for passenger
>and freight traffic.
>————————————————————————
>Private purchase

>Airbus has also named Prince Walid bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud, a
>Saudi billionaire, as the first private buyer of the A380.

>The prospective buyer’s identity had been kept secret for months but
>was unveiled to coincide with the Dubai air show.

>Walid, whose interests span from hotels and financial institutions,
>has ordered a VIP version of the A380, dubbed the “Flying Palace”.

>He already owns a Boeing 747-400, the newest type of the original
>jumbo jet currently in service.

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:35:18 -0800, Jay wrote:
>Ned Kelly wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:18:04 -0800, Jay wrote:
>>> Ned Kelly wrote:
>>>> So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
>>>> airplane crashes.

>>>> Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

>>>> AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

>>> Did you lose money holding Bombardier shares, or something?

>> No, I refused to buy anything from Bombardier, after having billions of
>> taxpayer dollars going to the scammers in Quebec!!

>So, why didn’t you just say that, instead of trying to incite fear into
>the masses in order to get people not to fly on Bombardier planes and
>cause the company to loss sales and profits? Kind of a roundabout way to
>get your point across, don’t you think?

With all the crashes of the Bumbardier aircraft, supposedly due to defective
landing gear, in Europe, Japan and who knows where else, the aircraft from
Bombardier are most definitely UNSAFE!!

I do not give a damn about jobs lost because of cancelled sales, but I do care
about unnecessary loss of life just because some business cuts corners to make
extra profits.

So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
airplane crashes.

Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7089318.stm

Emirates orders 82 Airbus planes

The latest Emirates deal is worth more than $20bn for Airbus
Emirates has ordered 82 Airbus jets, in a deal worth more than $20bn
(Ł9.6bn) for the European plane-maker.

The Dubai-based airline is buying 70 of Airbus’ mid-sized A350 model,
and 11 Airbus A380 twin-deck super jumbos.

Announced at the start of the Dubai air show, Emirates said the new
planes would play “an important role” in the growth of both the
airline and Dubai.

Emirates added that it also had the option to purchase a further 50
A350 aircraft at a future date.

Rolls-Royce deal

If this additional order goes ahead, the final deal will be worth
about $32bn for Airbus.

Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud
Airbus boss Tom Enders

The latest contract win for Airbus was also good news for British
engine-maker Rolls-Royce, as Emirates has chosen its units to power
the new planes.

It will be worth up to $8.4bn for Rolls-Royce if Emirates does go on
to buy the additional 50 A350 planes.

“Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud,” said
Airbus president and chief executive Tom Enders.

The order is welcome good news for Airbus parent group EADS.

Last week EADS warned it may have to deepen planned restructuring and
job cuts after its losses for the July to September period worsened to
775m euros ($1.14bn; Ł541m), compared with 189m euros last year.

It already plans to cut 10,000 jobs at Airbus over the next four
years.

Airbus designs and makes its wings in the UK.

>The news stories below about Quantas seem to be dated January 2002.

>All the crashes caused by defective landing gear on the Bombardier Q400, are
>being reported in the past few weeks – in other words NOW!!

>When all of Europe is dumping the Bombardier Q400, and suing Bombardier for
>many billions, there is definitely something wrong with Bombardier!

>As well, the media report that there are at least another 2 crashes in Japan
>with the Bombardier Q400 this year.

>Now, the European Safety Agency is demanding a “crisis meeting” with Canadian
>officials, to discuss the risks to European travellers caused by the defective
>Bombardier junk!! In a publicly issued statement, ESA promised to “take all
>measures to ensure the safety of European passengers and citizens”.

>Competitors of Bumbardier, such as EMBRAER, BAC, and the US firms, must really
>be having a field day, now that they can tell potential buyers about all the
>crashes with Bombardier!!

>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:24 -0400, “Paul” wrote:
>>>”Craig Welch” wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]
>>>> Ned Kelly said:

>>>>>As well the European Union are saying that most European airlines are now
>>>>>going to return all the Bombardier aircraft, following a number of crashes in
>>>>>the past few weeks, costing many airlines untold millions in damages due
>>>>>tounsafe Bombardier aircraft. Mind you airlines such as Horizon Air and
>>>>>Quantasstill are flying Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> There are no Quantas Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> Craig http://www.wazu.jp/
>>>> 1,239 Unicode fonts for 82 written language groups:
>>>> Price your own web plan: http://www.wazu.jp/hosting/
>>>I believe you are incorrect.

>>>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3078/is_200201/ai_n7819747

>>>http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/index.cfm?story=ON-20071022-000552-1606

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It sure looks like Jason Kodpuke is now representing himself as a quack?

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:23:58 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (The
Doctor) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>In article ,
>>ElParedon wrote:
>>>
>>>”Kenneth McVay OBC” wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]
>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>> ElParedon wrote:
>>>>> They sure did. In December of 1944, at the battle of Srem, Nazis ran
>>>>>towards us to give themselves up yelling “Ich bin eine Jude”and they were,
>>>>>many of them
>>>>
>>>> No, Mr. Seredin, they were not. Most were mischlinge.
>>>
>>>When it is convenient to kikes they call them mischlings.
>>>But if a mischling happens to win a Nobel Prize, he automatically becomes a
>>>JEW.
>>
>>Alex Seredin (aka. Veneceremos, Serwad, Intrepid5, Conquistador, Strider, Rasputin,
>>Swagman, El Paredon, Saleh El Din, AmigoCabal, et. al. is a liar and hatemonger
>>of long standing who resides in Delray Beach, where he is a great embarrassment
>>to his community.
>>
>>Alex Seredin (Veneceremos and all his other aliases) is an over-the-hill
>>Serbian Muslim convert , who has been nominated more than once for Kook of
>>the Year on Usenet..
>>
>>THE WIT AND WISDOM OF ALEX SEREDIN; (WARNING: DO NOT READ WHILST DRINKING.)
>>
>>”Keep it all you want that is the truth. Jews are filthy in personal
>>hygiene, they are filthy in their habits, and they are filthy in their
>>manners.”
>>
>>”TO ME THEY LOOK NO DIFFERENT THAN THE NAZIS ;LOOKED, EXCEPT THAT THE NAZIS
>>WERE MORE CIVILIZED AND HELL OF A LOT CLEANER THAN THE JEWS ARE”.
>>
>>”THE WORLD IS MUCH BETTER INFORMED THAN YOU ABOUT THE HOLOCAUSTS OF
>>ALL KINDS.”
>>
>>”Mossad created Hamas, Hamas created Hezbollah. Saddam is a Mossad
>>employee, and so is George Bush!”
>>
>>”Osama is Great”
>>
>>”Osama is a Mosad agent”
>>
>>”Osama died in 2004″
>>
>>”Saddam is great,” and… “Saddam is a Jew, ” and “Saddam is a butcher,”
>>and… “Saddam is a hero of Israel. He has never ever done anything to harm
>>Jews! He started two wars on behalf and behest of Jews!”
>>
>>”The Holocaust never happened”
>>
>>”You are an arsehole! Dr. Shahak is a jew, a real Holocaust survivor”
>>
>>”60 million Russians died in German concentration camps.”
>>
>>JEWS MURDERED 100 MILLION RUSSIANS, BAYONETTED THE WHOLE CZAR’S FAMILY, AND
>>DESTROYED RUSSIA! MAY THEY ROT IN HELL
>>
>>”Jews killed JFK because he would not allow them to have nukes!”
>>
>>”Israel was behind the Sept. 11 attacks”
>>
>>”Is that why several hundred (Muslims) of the died anyway (in the WTC)?
>>
>>”Israel set off a nuke in Bali”
>>
>>”Jews killed 19 members of my family in Russia”
>>
>>”JEWS SLAUGHTERED MORE PEOPLE IN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE IN THE PAST 88 YEARS
>>THAN ALL THE WARS FOUGHT IN THE PAST 100 YEARS.”
>>
>>”Jews killed 19 members of my family in the Ukraine”
>>
>>”Russians are expendable!”
>>
>>”Jews killed 50 members of my family in Germany”
>>
>>”Jews have killed 10 million Palestinians ”
>>
>>”Jews killed 100 million in Russia”
>>
>>”Jews put James Traficant in jail for standing up to them.”
>>
>>”JEWS KILLED LITVENENKO USING THE SAME HEAVY METAL POISON THEY USED AGAINST
>>ARAFAT!”
>>
>>”THERE ARE ABOUT 700,000 SLAVES IN ISRAEL”
>>
>>”You are too stupid to understand that millions of people during WWII
>>comitted suicide out of desperation and fear!”
>>
>>”There are 700,000 Thai slaves in Israel.”
>>
>>”Every single day Jews kill at least half a dozen Palestinians, mostly
>>children.”
>>
>>”BEHEADING ARE EXECUTIONS WHICH WERE USED TEN TIMES MORE OFTEN IN EUROPE
>>THAN IN MIDDLE EAST, SND SRE STILL VBEING USED IN SOME PLACES .HITLER WAS
>>NOT NEARLY AS BRUTAL AS YOU FUCKING ZIONIST GARBAGE!”
>>
>>”I was in WWI,” and… “I was in the Boer War in South Africa,” and…
>>”I was a partisan who fought bravely in in WW2″ (when he was 9), and…
>>”I was in WWII,” and… “I was in the Australian RAAF, ” and…
>>”I was in Viet Nam, ” and… “I am part Masai,” and…
>>”I’m a Serbian,” and… “I am not a Serb, I have never had any connection to Serbia”.
>>
>>Alex Seredin wrote: (1995)
>>
>>”I have a name, my name is Alex Seredin. I live in Ottawa, Canada. I am
>>65 years old, and have lived through the WWII in Belgrade. You do not want to
>>provide me with your name because you are coward and a skunk, because you
>>hide behind anonymity to slander someone.”
>>
>>”I was educated in Prva Muska Gimnazija in Belgrade, moron! And
>>studied Serbian history in detail. I also visited the Slavija hill
>>with the person whom Serbia respects Nikola Pasic!” – Nikola Pasic
>>died in 1926, which would mean Alex is 100 years old.
>>
>>”I am not slandering Serbian nation, I was born a Serb,” and…
>>”I’m Canadian,” and… “I’m Australian,” and… “I am also an
>>Ozzy and a Kiwi as well!” and… “I’m an American” and “I’m a
>>direct descendant of Tamerlame” and… “I’m a direct descendant of
>>Kublai Khan” and… “I like Jews” and… “ANY KILLING IS NOT A
>>JOKE EXCEPT FOR A JEW!” and…
>>
>>”On April 20th we celebrate the birth of the greatest man of all
>>time: Adolf Hitler.” and… “Human? jews are not humans!”
>>
>>”99% of the Jews are Russian ex-communist trash. They must be
>>deported”
>>
>>”Jews came to America as slave traders and slave keepers.”
>>”ISRAEL NEVER REPAID A SINGLE CENT OF ANY LOAN TO UNITED STATES FORTHE PAST
>>30 YEARS!”
>>”ACTUALLY SEVERAL AUSCHWITZES EXIST IN ISRAEL, ONLY THEY ARE FAR MORE BRUTAL
>>THAN THE ORIGINAL AUSCHWITZ EVER WAS!”
>>”The sole supplier of arms to Palestinians are the jews.”
>>”NO JEWS WILL BE ELECTED IN 2004!!”
>>”THE ONLY TERRORISTS IN PALESTINE ARE ISRAELIS!”
>>”Adolf Hitler sent Eichman to Palestine, to encourage the
>>establishment of Israel.”
>>”Arafat and his government have been adamant in opposing all forms of
>>violence!”
>>”After the bible, Mein Kampf was the biggest seller in U.S.”
>>”Only one Jew died in the WTC attacks!!!”
>>”Anthrax cover up! (Jews did it)”
>>”Mossad Bombs Paradise Hotel in Mombasa”
>>”The US is commiting war crimes in Iraq!!!!!”
>>”I do have a Talmud written in the original Yiddish 19th century!”
>>
>>”There is secret version of the Talmud, made in a place called Cracow,
>> that is for Jews only. When you call Amazon.com and try to order a
>>Talmud, they will ask you if you are Jewish. If you aren’t they won’t
>>send it. If you say you are, they still won’t send it. I was taught
>>about it by a rabbi, who did so after all the Jews left.”
>>
>>” Jews do not write anything. They do not know anything. They are the
>>stupidest low life on Earth. All they do is sling two word insults at those
>>who despise them!”
>>
>>
>>”Albert Einstein was a genius and a thief at the same time. he was
>>married to Mileva Maric, a Serb, who was far greater
>>physicist than he ever was”
>>
>>” I fought bravely and heroically in every war from WW2 to Viet Nam you
>>f*****g coward.I was a partisan in Serbia in 1937″….. (when he was nine
>>years old)
>>
>>”I was there shithead, and knew dozens of Hungarian jews who
>>told me about the sellout. Hungarian jews are the only ones who had
>>Hungarian names. Arsehole Lantos, is one of the ZioNazis who survived!
>>
>>We muslims not only have a code of morality, we have established
>>code of morality for the rest of the world!
>>
>>But the best I saved for last:
>>”Every single word I have ever said was the truth!”
>>
>>Enjoy!!
>>
>>
>
>And Thank you Ken for the truth coming out.

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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:51:24 -0800 (PST), Loaf of Bread
wrote:
>On Nov 25, 6:44 pm, HakenKreuz wrote:
>> You are a misbegotten espece de merde!

>> Under NAFTA there is no duty on goods manufactured in the USA, or Mexico.

>Hey stupid. – Yes you John, Mouldy Loaf of Bread

>As Mr. Frederick points out, there are lots of goods for sale in the
>US that are improted from countries like Japan, China, Indonesia,
>Malaysia, . . .

The OP posted:
Under NAFTA there is no duty on goods manufactured in the USA, or Mexico.

>You buy something from one of these countries, you pay customs at the
>border. NAFTA doesn’t matter.

The OP had never mentioned these countries, espece de merde!

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The murderer should have considered the consequences before he killed.

The expression is: You do the crime, you get the time.

Canada has no business interfering in the affairs of a foreign state, even in
Montana.

Let the garbage get executed, saving the Montana taxpayers the continuing cost
of care for this murderer.

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:15:33 -0800 (PST), “[email protected]
wrote:

>http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/11/27/death-row.html

>Albertan on death row takes Canadian government to court
>Last Updated: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 | 5:46 PM ET
>CBC News
>An Alberta man on death row in Montana is taking the Canadian
>government to court over its decision not to intervene in his case.

>Ronald Smith is shown being interviewed in prison by CBC-TV.
>(CBC)
>Lawyers representing Ronald Allen Smith on Tuesday submitted an
>application to the Federal Court of Canada for a judicial review of
>the government’s decision.

>On Nov. 1, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day said he wouldn’t ask
>American authorities to hand over Smith, who faces lethal injection
>for murdering two men in 1982 during a road trip south of the border.

>”We will not actively pursue bringing back to Canada murderers who
>have been tried in a democratic country that supports the rule of
>law,” Day told the House of Commons at the time.

>”It would send a wrong message. We want to preserve public safety here
>in Canada.”

>Smith’s lawyers argue that Day’s position is a tacit approval of
>Smith’s execution. Such approval violates Smith’s constitutional
>rights as a Canadian and his rights under international law, his
>lawyers say.

>Smith is the only Canadian on death row in the U.S.

>All three opposition leaders have written to the governor of Montana,
>asking him to commute Smith’s sentence to life imprisonment rather
>than execution.

>Canada abolished capital punishment from the Criminal Code in 1976,
>after hanging its last two inmates in Toronto on Nov. 11, 1962.

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Since the cowardly voters and taxpayers did not have the guts to join the
anti-tax hike petition organised by the Canadian Taxpayers Association, then
as the old curse goes, may your taxes increase past the breaking point.

When enough people lose their homes due to the wasteful spending of all the
commies on council and in city management, then perhaps when there are no more
taxpayers left, then perhaps the new city council will be forced to think
sensibly!!

Don’t forget, all the bad publicity generated worldwide by the city regarding
Walmart, and now the $127 MILLION LAWSUIT from Superstore against the city,
all will discourage even more businesses from considering the anti-business
DEADMONTON.

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:11:59 GMT, Ned Kelly
wrote:

>In the Edmonton Journal for today is a Letter to the Editor.
>The writer states that after many generations of being a resident,
>he and his family have finally had enough of the insane tax increases.

>He and his family will be leaving, for a more sane community where
>taxes are used only for essential services, rather than for benefiting
>friends of council.

>On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:26:04 -0800, “Mr. Smartypants”
> wrote:
>>On Nov 11, 8:04 pm, Ned Kelly wrote:
>>> City Council is inviting comments on their crooked budget proposals of
>>> 10% when inflation only around 4%!
>>> Public hearings will be held soon.
>>> If you want to give them a piece of your mind, Sharx and others,
>>> call the City Clerk at 496-8178 .

>>> Let the bottom-feeders know that enough is enough!!

>>> The clowns and crooks mismanaging Deadmonton want to hike taxes by
>>> at least 10%, PLUS hike a lot of service charges!!

>>> This is not necessary, were the city to honestly get value for the
>>> taxpayer dollars.

>>> For example:
>>> Why should taxpayers be giving $4.8 million a year to the millionaires
>>> running the Deadmonton Oilers? Don’t forget each so-called player
>>> thug is getting paid a minimum of $600,000!

>>> Why is the city giving more than $6 million a year to EDE which has no
>>> results, while the Chamber of Commerce which does bring in new
>>> businesses does so without city funding?

>>> Why is the city paying $5 millions plus for the Leduc Airport, when they
>>> have no good flights to Europe or Asia, since this airport got blackballed
>>> by airlines because of the management?

>>> The city wasted more than $600,000 it did not have, nor was it budgeted,
>>> in connection with the car race this past July, involving Triple5,
>>> a for-profit business!!

>>> By the way, is it true, that WEM is being DELIBERATELY UNDER-ASSESSED
>>> BY MANY TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS?

>>> Has the City Auditor checked the ASSESSMENT against all the financing on WEM?

>>> Financial mismanagement abounds, in the city tax department, which in
>>> one example alone, allowed a MASSIVE UNDERASSESSMENT OF
>>> HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, for 8 years, on one property, located at
>>> 13723 – 93 St.
>>> Why does the city not prosecute and FIRE the tax department staffer
>>> responsible?

>>> Why should taxpayers have to pay so many millions for the disgraceful
>>> proposal for an unwanted Art Gallery, when essential services such as
>>> roads need fixing?

>>> If the city got out of the after-school daycare and daycare subsidies,
>>> which are both the responsibilites of the Provinvial government, another
>>> $12 million can be saved off the backs of taxpayers.

>>> Then there is the million and more squandered on the clowns in the Police
>>> Commission!

>>> Notice that the city has consistently opposed MBO, PBB and similar
>>> programs to determine the necessity, and usefulness of city expenditures,
>>> because city mismangement know that many of their wasteful practices would
>>> result in many terminations of employment.

>>> The local police farce WASTES $1 MILLION. More than a million dollars can be
>>> cut from the police budget, by firing the 9 overpaid hacks and flacks in the
>>> PR section. while at the same time the handful of senior cops get paid another
>>> million$!!
>>> For what is paid the chief and senior officers, they should be functionally
>>> literate in the English language, to speak for themselves, instead of using
>>> an overpaid mouthpiece!

>>> Millions more can be eliminated from the police budget by getting rid of
>>> the glorified toy, called the copper chopper! These funds could then be
>>> used to hire some HONEST COPS, for actual community policing.

>>> Who can forget the astronomic kickbacks/payoff to all the disgraced
>>> terminated police chiefs!! Adding in their fantastic pensions, these cost
>>> the taxpapyers more millions of dollars!

>>> And do not forget all the criminal convictions of so many crooked cops,
>>> paid by the taxpayers!!

>>> Sharx, and Grosvenor, care to add a few more examples of financial WASTE
>>> by Deadmonton, so that perhaps Nickel and Leibovici can perhaps rein in
>>> the mare and the rest of the jackasses?

>>> It is time to fire those useless members of the city administration.
>>> And Lowry of EPCOR should also be fired, for costing taxpayers an extra
>>> $450,000 for late payment of taxes to Leduc!!

>>> It is time to eliminate those services not the responsibility of the
>>> city – including sports, arts, multicult – which are FEDERAL/Provincial
>>> responsibilities!!

>>> It is time to get value for our tax dollars, rather than believing all the
>>> lies from council and city managers.
>>> IF INFLATION IS ONLY 4%, THEN TAX HIKES SHOULD NOT BE ANY HIGHER THAN 2%!
>>> Further, with assessment values on homes increasing, plus a tax hike,
>>> seniors will no longer be able to afford to keep their homes!!

>>> It is time for our pampered Jew Mayor to think about the average taxpayer,
>>> instead of the elites whom he wants to subsidize at taxpayer expense.

>>> It is time for taxpayers to say, WE DO NOT WANT TO GET JEWED ANY LONGER!!

>>> Don’t forget, these are the same SLIME, WHO GAVE THEMSELVES A PAY HIKE OF
>>> OVER 30%, without the consent of the taxpayers or voters!!

If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled – as fertiliser!!

At a time of universal deceit – telling the truth
is a revolutionary act.”
(George Orwell)

David Icke – ‘…and the truth shall set you free’

“All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident.”
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

“The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them — except force.” — John Bryant

“To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
and impossible to ignore.”
John Bryant

TOLERANCE is a virtue of a man WITHOUT convictions.
G. K. Chesterton.

>>Nothing concrete will happen until the people march to city hall with
>>pitchforks and torches and haul the bastards out to the hangin’ tree.

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The murderer should have considered the consequences before he killed.

The expression is: You do the crime, you get the time.

Canada has no business interfering in the affairs of a foreign state, even in
Montana.

Let the garbage get executed, saving the Montana taxpayers the continuing cost
of care for this murderer.

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:15:33 -0800 (PST), “[email protected]
wrote:

>http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/11/27/death-row.html

>Albertan on death row takes Canadian government to court
>Last Updated: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 | 5:46 PM ET
>CBC News
>An Alberta man on death row in Montana is taking the Canadian
>government to court over its decision not to intervene in his case.

>Ronald Smith is shown being interviewed in prison by CBC-TV.
>(CBC)
>Lawyers representing Ronald Allen Smith on Tuesday submitted an
>application to the Federal Court of Canada for a judicial review of
>the government’s decision.

>On Nov. 1, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day said he wouldn’t ask
>American authorities to hand over Smith, who faces lethal injection
>for murdering two men in 1982 during a road trip south of the border.

>”We will not actively pursue bringing back to Canada murderers who
>have been tried in a democratic country that supports the rule of
>law,” Day told the House of Commons at the time.

>”It would send a wrong message. We want to preserve public safety here
>in Canada.”

>Smith’s lawyers argue that Day’s position is a tacit approval of
>Smith’s execution. Such approval violates Smith’s constitutional
>rights as a Canadian and his rights under international law, his
>lawyers say.

>Smith is the only Canadian on death row in the U.S.

>All three opposition leaders have written to the governor of Montana,
>asking him to commute Smith’s sentence to life imprisonment rather
>than execution.

>Canada abolished capital punishment from the Criminal Code in 1976,
>after hanging its last two inmates in Toronto on Nov. 11, 1962.

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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:12:40 -0800 (PST), Jigsaw1695
wrote:
>On Nov 26, 9:17?am, yitz…@yahoo.fr (Yitzhak) wrote:
>> Jigsaw1695 wrote:
>> > On Nov 26, 3:47?am, Earl Evleth wrote:

>> >> Of course China has plenty of money (dollars up the gingy)
>> >> and it is smart to trade them for real things.

>> >> Airbus to Sell 160 Jets to China
>> >> Monday November 26, 6:28 am ET
>> >> By Christopher Bodeen, Associated Press Writer
>> > Yea…I read the article yesterday.

Airbus seals $50bn aircraft deals -biggest deal in civil aviation history.
Bombardier Loses!

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:49:30 -0800, kangarooistan
wrote:

>Airbus seals $50bn aircraft deals

> Flying kangaroo look out

>Prince Walid bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud is the first private
>buyer of the A380 ” Flying Castle ” , with room for 20 camels and
>the entire family , in one plane

>Airbus, the European aircraft manufacturer, has secured an order worth
>up to $50bn from Middle Eastern carriers at the Dubai Aerospace Air
>Show.

>The company is said to have scored a major victory over Boeing, its US
>rival, winning an order worth $31bn from Emirates, the Dubai-owned
>airline, for 70 Airbus A350 aeroplanes.

>It is considered the biggest deal in civil aviation history.

>The deal, announced at the Dubai air show on Monday, includes an
>option to purchase 50 more aircraft, including the A380 superjumbo,
>the world’s largest passenger airliner.

>The A380 order adds to the carrier’s backlog of 47, the largest order
>for the super jumbo aircraft from any airline.

>Rolls-Royce is also a major beneficiary of the move, which may be
>worth as much as $8.4bn, as Rolls-Royce offers the only engine
>available on the Airbus airplane.

>Lucrative deals

>Separately, DAE Capital, the aircraft-leasing arm of Dubai Aerospace
>Enterprise, said it would purchase 70 Airbus A320s and 30 A350s for a
>total $13.7bn at list prices.

>”This agreement will help us meet the demand for new aircraft,
>particularly in the Middle East and Asia, over the next decade and
>more,” Robert Genise, chief executive officer of Dubai Aerospace’s DAE
>Capital leasing unit, said in a statement.

>”We are perfectly placed to secure our position by taking advantage of
>the significant growth of the aviation industry within this region and
>other emerging global markets.”

>Qatar Airways, another fast-growing Gulf airline, signed an agreement
>on Sunday with Boeing for 30 Dreamliners and five 777 cargo jets in a
>deal valued at $6.1bn at list prices.

>Akbar al-Baker, the Qatar Airways chief executive officer, indicated
>the government-owned carrier might go for a public share listing in
>three to four years’ time when the company starts making a profit.

>Gulf appetite

>Asked to explain the Gulf appetite for aircraft, John Leahy, Airbus
>sales chief, said: “If they don’t place their orders now, they won’t
>get the delivery early enough to meet their needs.”

>According to Boeing, the Middle East is expected to spend $190bn to
>buy 1,160 passenger jets over the next 19 years.

>Boeing estimates also claim that during that same period, passenger
>traffic in the region will grow annually by 5.7 per cent, while
>freight is due to rise by 7.1 per cent.

>These figures are way above the average world estimates for passenger
>and freight traffic.
>————————————————————————
>Private purchase

>Airbus has also named Prince Walid bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud, a
>Saudi billionaire, as the first private buyer of the A380.

>The prospective buyer’s identity had been kept secret for months but
>was unveiled to coincide with the Dubai air show.

>Walid, whose interests span from hotels and financial institutions,
>has ordered a VIP version of the A380, dubbed the “Flying Palace”.

>He already owns a Boeing 747-400, the newest type of the original
>jumbo jet currently in service.

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:35:18 -0800, Jay wrote:
>Ned Kelly wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:18:04 -0800, Jay wrote:
>>> Ned Kelly wrote:
>>>> So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
>>>> airplane crashes.

>>>> Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

>>>> AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

>>> Did you lose money holding Bombardier shares, or something?

>> No, I refused to buy anything from Bombardier, after having billions of
>> taxpayer dollars going to the scammers in Quebec!!

>So, why didn’t you just say that, instead of trying to incite fear into
>the masses in order to get people not to fly on Bombardier planes and
>cause the company to loss sales and profits? Kind of a roundabout way to
>get your point across, don’t you think?

With all the crashes of the Bumbardier aircraft, supposedly due to defective
landing gear, in Europe, Japan and who knows where else, the aircraft from
Bombardier are most definitely UNSAFE!!

I do not give a damn about jobs lost because of cancelled sales, but I do care
about unnecessary loss of life just because some business cuts corners to make
extra profits.

So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
airplane crashes.

Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7089318.stm

Emirates orders 82 Airbus planes

The latest Emirates deal is worth more than $20bn for Airbus
Emirates has ordered 82 Airbus jets, in a deal worth more than $20bn
(Ł9.6bn) for the European plane-maker.

The Dubai-based airline is buying 70 of Airbus’ mid-sized A350 model,
and 11 Airbus A380 twin-deck super jumbos.

Announced at the start of the Dubai air show, Emirates said the new
planes would play “an important role” in the growth of both the
airline and Dubai.

Emirates added that it also had the option to purchase a further 50
A350 aircraft at a future date.

Rolls-Royce deal

If this additional order goes ahead, the final deal will be worth
about $32bn for Airbus.

Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud
Airbus boss Tom Enders

The latest contract win for Airbus was also good news for British
engine-maker Rolls-Royce, as Emirates has chosen its units to power
the new planes.

It will be worth up to $8.4bn for Rolls-Royce if Emirates does go on
to buy the additional 50 A350 planes.

“Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud,” said
Airbus president and chief executive Tom Enders.

The order is welcome good news for Airbus parent group EADS.

Last week EADS warned it may have to deepen planned restructuring and
job cuts after its losses for the July to September period worsened to
775m euros ($1.14bn; Ł541m), compared with 189m euros last year.

It already plans to cut 10,000 jobs at Airbus over the next four
years.

Airbus designs and makes its wings in the UK.

>The news stories below about Quantas seem to be dated January 2002.

>All the crashes caused by defective landing gear on the Bombardier Q400, are
>being reported in the past few weeks – in other words NOW!!

>When all of Europe is dumping the Bombardier Q400, and suing Bombardier for
>many billions, there is definitely something wrong with Bombardier!

>As well, the media report that there are at least another 2 crashes in Japan
>with the Bombardier Q400 this year.

>Now, the European Safety Agency is demanding a “crisis meeting” with Canadian
>officials, to discuss the risks to European travellers caused by the defective
>Bombardier junk!! In a publicly issued statement, ESA promised to “take all
>measures to ensure the safety of European passengers and citizens”.

>Competitors of Bumbardier, such as EMBRAER, BAC, and the US firms, must really
>be having a field day, now that they can tell potential buyers about all the
>crashes with Bombardier!!

>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:24 -0400, “Paul” wrote:
>>>”Craig Welch” wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]
>>>> Ned Kelly said:

>>>>>As well the European Union are saying that most European airlines are now
>>>>>going to return all the Bombardier aircraft, following a number of crashes in
>>>>>the past few weeks, costing many airlines untold millions in damages due
>>>>>tounsafe Bombardier aircraft. Mind you airlines such as Horizon Air and
>>>>>Quantasstill are flying Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> There are no Quantas Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> Craig http://www.wazu.jp/
>>>> 1,239 Unicode fonts for 82 written language groups:
>>>> Price your own web plan: http://www.wazu.jp/hosting/
>>>I believe you are incorrect.

>>>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3078/is_200201/ai_n7819747

>>>http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/index.cfm?story=ON-20071022-000552-1606

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Many of my clients have gone to the USA to buy vehicles.
They are saving from $7,000 to over $30,000 per vehicle.
The best deal was for the BMW X5.

The Edmonton Journal has had a top reporter in Great Falls Montana for a week.

he intervgiewed both Edmonton shoppers, and local business people.
All are happy with the deals.

Edmonton rip-off car dealers are expecting many bankruptcies in the coming
months.

Tough for them!

As for the lawsuits against the Canadian swindle manufacturers, let them also
go under.

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 07:27:34 -0800 (PST), Tmuld wrote:

>Hello,

>I heard about this class action suit against automakers:

>http://www.jruslaw.com/classactions/carprice.shtml

>Anyone have any stories about buying cars in the US compared to
>Canada? Is there really a big price difference?
>Anyone notice Canadian retailers lowering car prices?

>Should I wait, or should I be heading to the US?

>Comments?

>Thanks,

>Tmuld.

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The murderer should have considered the consequences before he killed.

The expression is: You do the crime, you get the time.

Canada has no business interfering in the affairs of a foreign state, even in
Montana.

Let the garbage get executed, saving the Montana taxpayers the continuing cost
of care for this murderer.

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:15:33 -0800 (PST), “[email protected]
wrote:

>http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/11/27/death-row.html

>Albertan on death row takes Canadian government to court
>Last Updated: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 | 5:46 PM ET
>CBC News
>An Alberta man on death row in Montana is taking the Canadian
>government to court over its decision not to intervene in his case.

>Ronald Smith is shown being interviewed in prison by CBC-TV.
>(CBC)
>Lawyers representing Ronald Allen Smith on Tuesday submitted an
>application to the Federal Court of Canada for a judicial review of
>the government’s decision.

>On Nov. 1, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day said he wouldn’t ask
>American authorities to hand over Smith, who faces lethal injection
>for murdering two men in 1982 during a road trip south of the border.

>”We will not actively pursue bringing back to Canada murderers who
>have been tried in a democratic country that supports the rule of
>law,” Day told the House of Commons at the time.

>”It would send a wrong message. We want to preserve public safety here
>in Canada.”

>Smith’s lawyers argue that Day’s position is a tacit approval of
>Smith’s execution. Such approval violates Smith’s constitutional
>rights as a Canadian and his rights under international law, his
>lawyers say.

>Smith is the only Canadian on death row in the U.S.

>All three opposition leaders have written to the governor of Montana,
>asking him to commute Smith’s sentence to life imprisonment rather
>than execution.

>Canada abolished capital punishment from the Criminal Code in 1976,
>after hanging its last two inmates in Toronto on Nov. 11, 1962.

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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:12:40 -0800 (PST), Jigsaw1695
wrote:
>On Nov 26, 9:17?am, yitz…@yahoo.fr (Yitzhak) wrote:
>> Jigsaw1695 wrote:
>> > On Nov 26, 3:47?am, Earl Evleth wrote:

>> >> Of course China has plenty of money (dollars up the gingy)
>> >> and it is smart to trade them for real things.

>> >> Airbus to Sell 160 Jets to China
>> >> Monday November 26, 6:28 am ET
>> >> By Christopher Bodeen, Associated Press Writer
>> > Yea…I read the article yesterday.

Airbus seals $50bn aircraft deals -biggest deal in civil aviation history.
Bombardier Loses!

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:49:30 -0800, kangarooistan
wrote:

>Airbus seals $50bn aircraft deals

> Flying kangaroo look out

>Prince Walid bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud is the first private
>buyer of the A380 ” Flying Castle ” , with room for 20 camels and
>the entire family , in one plane

>Airbus, the European aircraft manufacturer, has secured an order worth
>up to $50bn from Middle Eastern carriers at the Dubai Aerospace Air
>Show.

>The company is said to have scored a major victory over Boeing, its US
>rival, winning an order worth $31bn from Emirates, the Dubai-owned
>airline, for 70 Airbus A350 aeroplanes.

>It is considered the biggest deal in civil aviation history.

>The deal, announced at the Dubai air show on Monday, includes an
>option to purchase 50 more aircraft, including the A380 superjumbo,
>the world’s largest passenger airliner.

>The A380 order adds to the carrier’s backlog of 47, the largest order
>for the super jumbo aircraft from any airline.

>Rolls-Royce is also a major beneficiary of the move, which may be
>worth as much as $8.4bn, as Rolls-Royce offers the only engine
>available on the Airbus airplane.

>Lucrative deals

>Separately, DAE Capital, the aircraft-leasing arm of Dubai Aerospace
>Enterprise, said it would purchase 70 Airbus A320s and 30 A350s for a
>total $13.7bn at list prices.

>”This agreement will help us meet the demand for new aircraft,
>particularly in the Middle East and Asia, over the next decade and
>more,” Robert Genise, chief executive officer of Dubai Aerospace’s DAE
>Capital leasing unit, said in a statement.

>”We are perfectly placed to secure our position by taking advantage of
>the significant growth of the aviation industry within this region and
>other emerging global markets.”

>Qatar Airways, another fast-growing Gulf airline, signed an agreement
>on Sunday with Boeing for 30 Dreamliners and five 777 cargo jets in a
>deal valued at $6.1bn at list prices.

>Akbar al-Baker, the Qatar Airways chief executive officer, indicated
>the government-owned carrier might go for a public share listing in
>three to four years’ time when the company starts making a profit.

>Gulf appetite

>Asked to explain the Gulf appetite for aircraft, John Leahy, Airbus
>sales chief, said: “If they don’t place their orders now, they won’t
>get the delivery early enough to meet their needs.”

>According to Boeing, the Middle East is expected to spend $190bn to
>buy 1,160 passenger jets over the next 19 years.

>Boeing estimates also claim that during that same period, passenger
>traffic in the region will grow annually by 5.7 per cent, while
>freight is due to rise by 7.1 per cent.

>These figures are way above the average world estimates for passenger
>and freight traffic.
>————————————————————————
>Private purchase

>Airbus has also named Prince Walid bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud, a
>Saudi billionaire, as the first private buyer of the A380.

>The prospective buyer’s identity had been kept secret for months but
>was unveiled to coincide with the Dubai air show.

>Walid, whose interests span from hotels and financial institutions,
>has ordered a VIP version of the A380, dubbed the “Flying Palace”.

>He already owns a Boeing 747-400, the newest type of the original
>jumbo jet currently in service.

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:35:18 -0800, Jay wrote:
>Ned Kelly wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:18:04 -0800, Jay wrote:
>>> Ned Kelly wrote:
>>>> So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
>>>> airplane crashes.

>>>> Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

>>>> AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

>>> Did you lose money holding Bombardier shares, or something?

>> No, I refused to buy anything from Bombardier, after having billions of
>> taxpayer dollars going to the scammers in Quebec!!

>So, why didn’t you just say that, instead of trying to incite fear into
>the masses in order to get people not to fly on Bombardier planes and
>cause the company to loss sales and profits? Kind of a roundabout way to
>get your point across, don’t you think?

With all the crashes of the Bumbardier aircraft, supposedly due to defective
landing gear, in Europe, Japan and who knows where else, the aircraft from
Bombardier are most definitely UNSAFE!!

I do not give a damn about jobs lost because of cancelled sales, but I do care
about unnecessary loss of life just because some business cuts corners to make
extra profits.

So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
airplane crashes.

Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7089318.stm

Emirates orders 82 Airbus planes

The latest Emirates deal is worth more than $20bn for Airbus
Emirates has ordered 82 Airbus jets, in a deal worth more than $20bn
(Ł9.6bn) for the European plane-maker.

The Dubai-based airline is buying 70 of Airbus’ mid-sized A350 model,
and 11 Airbus A380 twin-deck super jumbos.

Announced at the start of the Dubai air show, Emirates said the new
planes would play “an important role” in the growth of both the
airline and Dubai.

Emirates added that it also had the option to purchase a further 50
A350 aircraft at a future date.

Rolls-Royce deal

If this additional order goes ahead, the final deal will be worth
about $32bn for Airbus.

Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud
Airbus boss Tom Enders

The latest contract win for Airbus was also good news for British
engine-maker Rolls-Royce, as Emirates has chosen its units to power
the new planes.

It will be worth up to $8.4bn for Rolls-Royce if Emirates does go on
to buy the additional 50 A350 planes.

“Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud,” said
Airbus president and chief executive Tom Enders.

The order is welcome good news for Airbus parent group EADS.

Last week EADS warned it may have to deepen planned restructuring and
job cuts after its losses for the July to September period worsened to
775m euros ($1.14bn; Ł541m), compared with 189m euros last year.

It already plans to cut 10,000 jobs at Airbus over the next four
years.

Airbus designs and makes its wings in the UK.

>The news stories below about Quantas seem to be dated January 2002.

>All the crashes caused by defective landing gear on the Bombardier Q400, are
>being reported in the past few weeks – in other words NOW!!

>When all of Europe is dumping the Bombardier Q400, and suing Bombardier for
>many billions, there is definitely something wrong with Bombardier!

>As well, the media report that there are at least another 2 crashes in Japan
>with the Bombardier Q400 this year.

>Now, the European Safety Agency is demanding a “crisis meeting” with Canadian
>officials, to discuss the risks to European travellers caused by the defective
>Bombardier junk!! In a publicly issued statement, ESA promised to “take all
>measures to ensure the safety of European passengers and citizens”.

>Competitors of Bumbardier, such as EMBRAER, BAC, and the US firms, must really
>be having a field day, now that they can tell potential buyers about all the
>crashes with Bombardier!!

>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:24 -0400, “Paul” wrote:
>>>”Craig Welch” wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]
>>>> Ned Kelly said:

>>>>>As well the European Union are saying that most European airlines are now
>>>>>going to return all the Bombardier aircraft, following a number of crashes in
>>>>>the past few weeks, costing many airlines untold millions in damages due
>>>>>tounsafe Bombardier aircraft. Mind you airlines such as Horizon Air and
>>>>>Quantasstill are flying Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> There are no Quantas Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> Craig http://www.wazu.jp/
>>>> 1,239 Unicode fonts for 82 written language groups:
>>>> Price your own web plan: http://www.wazu.jp/hosting/
>>>I believe you are incorrect.

>>>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3078/is_200201/ai_n7819747

>>>http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/index.cfm?story=ON-20071022-000552-1606

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Many of my clients have gone to the USA to buy vehicles.
They are saving from $7,000 to over $30,000 per vehicle.
The best deal was for the BMW X5.

The Edmonton Journal has had a top reporter in Great Falls Montana for a week.

he intervgiewed both Edmonton shoppers, and local business people.
All are happy with the deals.

Edmonton rip-off car dealers are expecting many bankruptcies in the coming
months.

Tough for them!

As for the lawsuits against the Canadian swindle manufacturers, let them also
go under.

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 07:27:34 -0800 (PST), Tmuld wrote:

>Hello,

>I heard about this class action suit against automakers:

>http://www.jruslaw.com/classactions/carprice.shtml

>Anyone have any stories about buying cars in the US compared to
>Canada? Is there really a big price difference?
>Anyone notice Canadian retailers lowering car prices?

>Should I wait, or should I be heading to the US?

>Comments?

>Thanks,

>Tmuld.

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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:32:35 +0100, “John of Aix”
wrote:
>Frank Arthur wrote:
>> The fraud Grosvomit uses anonymous remailers.

>Why not reply to the post instead of attacking the poster? Or can’t you?

Repost of article by Frank Arthur:

I am Frank Arthur = Grosvomi t= Ken McVay the filthy fraud who
changes names every 3 minutes, because I am truly certifiably insane.

Frank Arthur [that is me] sometimes I post via Bellsouth Internet Group,
except when I post using remailers, anonymously, alias Mr.X, and to confuse
people.
I am the fraud Grosvomit [again me] and I often use anonymous remailers.
As Grosvomit, or Mr.X I often post to alt.homosexual – to satisfy my need!

Many people believe that I am really gay Ken McVay the disgusting
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD benefactors stopped financing all the BS and my one person
web business.

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, “Frank Arthur” wrote:

Like Fraud? DickWarren is also known as Edmond Grosvomit the fraud who
changes names every 5 minutes.
Quick send him money IF you are stupid!

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me] is just another common thief.
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries.
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of his names-
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
[email protected],GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.
All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, “Frank Arthur” wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, “Frank Arthur” wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit,
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on the gray
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a lunatic

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Subject: First BSE[MadCow], Now TB in Alberta Beef Cattle – Is Alberta Beef Safe to Eat?
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First Alberta cattle had BSE [Mad Cow Diesease], and many cattle had to be
exterminated.

Now Alberta cattle are shown to have TB, with more being exterminated.

Are cattle in Alberta being targeted by CIA/MOSSAD for experimentation?

Alberta cattlemen are starting to become very suspicious, and justifiably so!!

In Europe, there they are being infected with Avian Flu and Rabies.

And in many countries the bee populations are being killed.

Too many plagues at once, seeming to be biological warfare?

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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:12:40 -0800 (PST), Jigsaw1695
wrote:
>On Nov 26, 9:17?am, yitz…@yahoo.fr (Yitzhak) wrote:
>> Jigsaw1695 wrote:
>> > On Nov 26, 3:47?am, Earl Evleth wrote:

>> >> Of course China has plenty of money (dollars up the gingy)
>> >> and it is smart to trade them for real things.

>> >> Airbus to Sell 160 Jets to China
>> >> Monday November 26, 6:28 am ET
>> >> By Christopher Bodeen, Associated Press Writer
>> > Yea…I read the article yesterday.

Airbus seals $50bn aircraft deals -biggest deal in civil aviation history.
Bombardier Loses!

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:49:30 -0800, kangarooistan
wrote:

>Airbus seals $50bn aircraft deals

> Flying kangaroo look out

>Prince Walid bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud is the first private
>buyer of the A380 ” Flying Castle ” , with room for 20 camels and
>the entire family , in one plane

>Airbus, the European aircraft manufacturer, has secured an order worth
>up to $50bn from Middle Eastern carriers at the Dubai Aerospace Air
>Show.

>The company is said to have scored a major victory over Boeing, its US
>rival, winning an order worth $31bn from Emirates, the Dubai-owned
>airline, for 70 Airbus A350 aeroplanes.

>It is considered the biggest deal in civil aviation history.

>The deal, announced at the Dubai air show on Monday, includes an
>option to purchase 50 more aircraft, including the A380 superjumbo,
>the world’s largest passenger airliner.

>The A380 order adds to the carrier’s backlog of 47, the largest order
>for the super jumbo aircraft from any airline.

>Rolls-Royce is also a major beneficiary of the move, which may be
>worth as much as $8.4bn, as Rolls-Royce offers the only engine
>available on the Airbus airplane.

>Lucrative deals

>Separately, DAE Capital, the aircraft-leasing arm of Dubai Aerospace
>Enterprise, said it would purchase 70 Airbus A320s and 30 A350s for a
>total $13.7bn at list prices.

>”This agreement will help us meet the demand for new aircraft,
>particularly in the Middle East and Asia, over the next decade and
>more,” Robert Genise, chief executive officer of Dubai Aerospace’s DAE
>Capital leasing unit, said in a statement.

>”We are perfectly placed to secure our position by taking advantage of
>the significant growth of the aviation industry within this region and
>other emerging global markets.”

>Qatar Airways, another fast-growing Gulf airline, signed an agreement
>on Sunday with Boeing for 30 Dreamliners and five 777 cargo jets in a
>deal valued at $6.1bn at list prices.

>Akbar al-Baker, the Qatar Airways chief executive officer, indicated
>the government-owned carrier might go for a public share listing in
>three to four years’ time when the company starts making a profit.

>Gulf appetite

>Asked to explain the Gulf appetite for aircraft, John Leahy, Airbus
>sales chief, said: “If they don’t place their orders now, they won’t
>get the delivery early enough to meet their needs.”

>According to Boeing, the Middle East is expected to spend $190bn to
>buy 1,160 passenger jets over the next 19 years.

>Boeing estimates also claim that during that same period, passenger
>traffic in the region will grow annually by 5.7 per cent, while
>freight is due to rise by 7.1 per cent.

>These figures are way above the average world estimates for passenger
>and freight traffic.
>————————————————————————
>Private purchase

>Airbus has also named Prince Walid bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud, a
>Saudi billionaire, as the first private buyer of the A380.

>The prospective buyer’s identity had been kept secret for months but
>was unveiled to coincide with the Dubai air show.

>Walid, whose interests span from hotels and financial institutions,
>has ordered a VIP version of the A380, dubbed the “Flying Palace”.

>He already owns a Boeing 747-400, the newest type of the original
>jumbo jet currently in service.

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:35:18 -0800, Jay wrote:
>Ned Kelly wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:18:04 -0800, Jay wrote:
>>> Ned Kelly wrote:
>>>> So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
>>>> airplane crashes.

>>>> Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

>>>> AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

>>> Did you lose money holding Bombardier shares, or something?

>> No, I refused to buy anything from Bombardier, after having billions of
>> taxpayer dollars going to the scammers in Quebec!!

>So, why didn’t you just say that, instead of trying to incite fear into
>the masses in order to get people not to fly on Bombardier planes and
>cause the company to loss sales and profits? Kind of a roundabout way to
>get your point across, don’t you think?

With all the crashes of the Bumbardier aircraft, supposedly due to defective
landing gear, in Europe, Japan and who knows where else, the aircraft from
Bombardier are most definitely UNSAFE!!

I do not give a damn about jobs lost because of cancelled sales, but I do care
about unnecessary loss of life just because some business cuts corners to make
extra profits.

So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
airplane crashes.

Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7089318.stm

Emirates orders 82 Airbus planes

The latest Emirates deal is worth more than $20bn for Airbus
Emirates has ordered 82 Airbus jets, in a deal worth more than $20bn
(Ł9.6bn) for the European plane-maker.

The Dubai-based airline is buying 70 of Airbus’ mid-sized A350 model,
and 11 Airbus A380 twin-deck super jumbos.

Announced at the start of the Dubai air show, Emirates said the new
planes would play “an important role” in the growth of both the
airline and Dubai.

Emirates added that it also had the option to purchase a further 50
A350 aircraft at a future date.

Rolls-Royce deal

If this additional order goes ahead, the final deal will be worth
about $32bn for Airbus.

Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud
Airbus boss Tom Enders

The latest contract win for Airbus was also good news for British
engine-maker Rolls-Royce, as Emirates has chosen its units to power
the new planes.

It will be worth up to $8.4bn for Rolls-Royce if Emirates does go on
to buy the additional 50 A350 planes.

“Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud,” said
Airbus president and chief executive Tom Enders.

The order is welcome good news for Airbus parent group EADS.

Last week EADS warned it may have to deepen planned restructuring and
job cuts after its losses for the July to September period worsened to
775m euros ($1.14bn; Ł541m), compared with 189m euros last year.

It already plans to cut 10,000 jobs at Airbus over the next four
years.

Airbus designs and makes its wings in the UK.

>The news stories below about Quantas seem to be dated January 2002.

>All the crashes caused by defective landing gear on the Bombardier Q400, are
>being reported in the past few weeks – in other words NOW!!

>When all of Europe is dumping the Bombardier Q400, and suing Bombardier for
>many billions, there is definitely something wrong with Bombardier!

>As well, the media report that there are at least another 2 crashes in Japan
>with the Bombardier Q400 this year.

>Now, the European Safety Agency is demanding a “crisis meeting” with Canadian
>officials, to discuss the risks to European travellers caused by the defective
>Bombardier junk!! In a publicly issued statement, ESA promised to “take all
>measures to ensure the safety of European passengers and citizens”.

>Competitors of Bumbardier, such as EMBRAER, BAC, and the US firms, must really
>be having a field day, now that they can tell potential buyers about all the
>crashes with Bombardier!!

>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:24 -0400, “Paul” wrote:
>>>”Craig Welch” wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]
>>>> Ned Kelly said:

>>>>>As well the European Union are saying that most European airlines are now
>>>>>going to return all the Bombardier aircraft, following a number of crashes in
>>>>>the past few weeks, costing many airlines untold millions in damages due
>>>>>tounsafe Bombardier aircraft. Mind you airlines such as Horizon Air and
>>>>>Quantasstill are flying Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> There are no Quantas Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> Craig http://www.wazu.jp/
>>>> 1,239 Unicode fonts for 82 written language groups:
>>>> Price your own web plan: http://www.wazu.jp/hosting/
>>>I believe you are incorrect.

>>>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3078/is_200201/ai_n7819747

>>>http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/index.cfm?story=ON-20071022-000552-1606

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Subject: Re: KASTNER’S TRAIN – New Book Reopens Wounds of ZYD KOLLABORATION WITH NAZIS!!
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:22:22 GMT, “Georgio Salavantinizi”
wrote:

>Can’t people stop bringing up the past about WWII and the awful crap that
>took place?

>Yes it was a bad war, tens of millions died. Not just Jews, but people from
>all sides. Now, the pagan atheist Hitler is gone and so is his pagan atheist
>Nazi party.

>It’s back to JudeoChristianity again and things have calmed down. People are
>having fun, good humor is back again, and the problems of the past are just
>that; of the past.

The TRUTH must be exposed, to avoid making similar mistakes again.

The ZYDS COLLABORATED WITH NAZIS, to benefit themselves only!!

>”Marek Maciej Ziemba” wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> Nazi officials under the direction of SS officer Adolf Eichmann
>> offered to sell the Zionist Aid and Rescue Committee (Vaada), of which
>> Rudolf Kastner was the de facto leader, exit visas for 600 Jews who
>> held Palestinian immigration certificates, in exchange for 6.5
>> million pengö (RM 4,000,000 or $1,600,000).

>> Rudolf Kastner, who became a government minister in Israel, was
>> assassinated there in March 1957 following allegations that he had
>> collaborated with the Nazis.

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastner_train
>>
>> Mirelle

>> This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,so
>> that more and more people around the world will come to know the truth
>> about the ZYD COLLABORATION with nazis.
>> It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
>> more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!
>>
>> Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zyd lies!!
>>
>> More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZYD
>> COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

>> Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
>> ZYDS, to consider demanding repayment?

>>>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>> It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
>> Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
>> COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>>>> wrote:

>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS with
>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>>>public.

>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

>>>>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:51:02 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>Newsgroups:soc.culture.swiss,soc.culture.european,soc.culture.europe,so
>> c.culture.polish,soc.culture.germany
>>>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>>September 2004, page 86
>>>>>Book Review
>>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List:$22; AET:
>>>>>$15.
>>>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>>>coverage in the American media.

>>>>>Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has compiled a wide variety of letters,
>>>>>statements, articles, and judgements?some of which appeared in his
>>>>>earlier book?by a broad array of activists and authors, that
>>>>>documents Zionist cooperration with the Nazis.

>>>>>On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>>>presents the case?made in many Zionists? own words?that the Nazi
>>>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the
>>>>>Zionist plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and
>>>>>creating a new Jewish nation.

>>>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.

>>>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>>>others written in response.

>>>>>These latter do indicate levels of collaboration between Zionists and
>>>>>fascists, both the Nazis in Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy.
>>>>>Brenner’s brief explanatory notes at the beginning of each document
>>>>>are helpful, as are the glossary and index.

>>>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some
>>>>>Zionists eschewed the boycott against Hitler?s Germany, for instance, is
>>>>>that they had a financial deal?Ha’avara?with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before.
>>>>>Moreover, the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of ‘nationality’
>>>>>versus citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on
>>>>>the same concept.
>>
>>>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term Holocaust
>>>>>guilt, frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who
>>>>>made the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to
>>>>>place Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives
>> of
>>>>>their threatened European brethren.
>>
>>>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on
>>>>>Feb. 18, 1943:
>>
>>>>>And when some asked me: Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora? I said:
>>>>>?No! And again I say no….And, because of these things, people
>>>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the
>> fact
>>>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions.(p. 211)
>>
>>>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically
>>>>>align themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally
>> saw
>>>>>race as an important dividing line?and, moreover, were determined
>> to
>>>>>keep it that way.
>>
>>>>>From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,’assimilation’ of Jews
>>>>>into the societies in which they lived was not an acceptable
>> option.
>>>>>Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on a national level,
>> not
>>>>>a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, ‘It is impossible for a
>> man
>>>>>to become assimilated with people whose blood is different from his
>>>>>own’
>>>>>(p. 10); in Einstein?s words, ?Palestine is first and foremost not
>> a
>>>>>refuge for East European Jews, but the incarnation of a reawakening
>>>>>sense of national solidarity? (p. 29).
>>
>>>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the STERN GANG, , wrote the
>>>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>
>>>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would
>> be
>>>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>
>>>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference?and,
>>>>>therefore, racial supremacy?were practiced around the world.
>>
>>>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the
>>>>>Zionist cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of
>> this
>>>>>book,another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than
>> savory
>>>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers,
>> in
>>>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after
>> the
>>>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>
>>>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to
>>>>>bring information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to
>> U.S.
>>>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives ‘both Palestinian
>>>>>and Israeli’ in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it
>>>>>difficult not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem
>> to wear
>>>>>when examining Zionism.
>>
>>
>> # 5 The Kastner Case
>> ZHID KOLABORACI WITH EICHMANN & NAZIS!!
>> Extracted from a pamphlet issued by BAZO-PS – 1981
>>
>> Introduction
>>
>> The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is
>> that involving Rudolf Kastner.
>>
>> Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>> Those who have, are generally under the impression that
>> there is some “controversy” about negotiations he undertook
>> for “the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>> equipment,” but that he was “fully rehabilitated” by the
>> Supreme Court of Israel.
>>
>> The Accusations
>>
>> Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>> Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the
>> British Medical Research Council, was one of the few
>> escapees from Auschwitz. In his memoirs published in
>> February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:
>>
>> I am a Jew. In spite of that – indeed because of that –
>> I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly
>> deeds of the war.
>>
>> This small group of quislings knew what was happening to
>> their brethren in Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their
>> own lives with the price of silence.
>>
>> Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke
>> for all Jews in Hungary.
>> While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz – the number is
>> still on my arm – I compiled careful statistics of the
>> exterminations…I took these terrible statistics with me
>> when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian
>> Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned
>> to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers…
>> Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, “I know of your plans;
>> spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.”
>>
>> Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S.
>> uniform and took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends.
>>
>> Nor did the sordid bargaining end there.
>>
>> Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
>> little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>> when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine…
>> (Ben Hecht, Perfidy, pp 261-2)
>>
>> These accusations are confirmed by the “Eichmann Confessions”
>> published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>> “I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the
>> commander stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off
>> in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for
>> future campaigns elsewhere…In obedience to Himmler’s
>> directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>> political officials in Budapest…Among them, Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>> authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.
>>
>> This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>> lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
>> Jews from resisting deportation – and even keep order in the
>> collection camps – if I could close my eyes and let a few
>> hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>> Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the
>> camps, the price…was not too high for me.
>>
>> “…We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
>> Kastner smoked cigarets as though he were in a coffeehouse.
>> While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigaret after
>> another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them
>> with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>> he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>
>> “Dr. Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for
>> a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Palestune…
>>
>> “As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity
>> between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these
>> immensely idealistic Zionist leaders….I believe that Kastner
>> would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his
>> blood to achieve his political goal…
>> ‘You can have the others’, he would say, ‘but let me have
>> this group here’. And because Kastner rendered us a great
>> service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I
>> would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>> concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews…
>> That was the ‘gentleman’s agreement’ I had with Kastner.”
>> (Hecht, Ibid., pp.260-61)
>>
>> Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false,
>> do not relate merely to “the purchase of Jewish lives for
>> money and military equipment.”

>> Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>> According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie.
>> When Malchiel Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli
>> citizen published these accusations against Kastner, the
>> Israeli Government did rather more than demand that his
>> views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>> official Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of
>> Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General
>> of the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>> -88-
>> ———————————————————————–
>> Posted by Robert E. Nordlander
>> [email protected]

>> Subject: Kastner Case=ZHID KOLLABORACI WITH NAZIS!!

>> From: Elias Davidsson ([email protected])
>> Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
>> Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
>> Date: 1997/07/12

>> The Kastner Case

>> Introduction

>> Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
>> up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of
>> all and will show that on this question ‘The documentation available
>> is overwhelming and its message is thundering”, just as Palestine
>> Speaks claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

>> Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
>> the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
>> accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly
>> the most ‘extreme’ and ‘offensive’ accusations of Nazi-Zionist
>> collaboration broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first,
>> and in greater detail.

>> Since the ‘Kastner case’ is the subject of most of the broadcasts
>> concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
>> about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some
>> books in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its
>> case appears strongest, and on the points to which it has given
>> greatest emphasis,we hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that
>> things are not quite what they may have appeared before this inquiry
>> began.

>> The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>> involving Rudolf Kastner.

>> Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>> Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
>> ‘controversy’ about negotiations he undertook for ‘the purchase of
>> Jewish lives for money and military equipment’, but that he was ‘fully
>> ehabilitated’ by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>>
>> That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
>> Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
>> 3CR for anti-semitism.
>>
>> It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
>> anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
>> what Kastner was accused of.
>>
>> This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
>> account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works
>> dealing with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart
>> from 3CR, the suppression of information has been so complete, that
>> even an expert like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on
>> the matter, has been unable to find out what it is all about.
>>
>> The Accusations
>> —————-
>> Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>> “Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>> Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>> In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>> Herald, he wrote:
>>
>> ‘I am a Jew. In spite of that – indeed because of that – I accuse
>> certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>
>> This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
>> brethren in Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their their own lives
>> with the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the
>> council which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner
>> number 44070 at Auschwitz – the number is still on my arm – I compiled
>> careful statistics of the exterminations…I took these terrible
>> statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give
>> Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned to
>> send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers…Kastner went to
>> Eichmann and told him, ‘I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>> choice and I shall keep quiet.’
>>
>> Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>> took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>> bargaining end there.
>>
>> Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>> fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany
>> collapsed,to set himself up in the Argentine…”(Ben Hecht, op.cit.
>> pp261-2)
>>
>> These accusations are confirmed by the ‘Eichmann Confessions’
>> published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>> “I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>> stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>> operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>> elsewhere…In obedience to Himmler’s directive I now concentrated on
>> negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest…Among
>> them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>> Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>> lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
>> He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation – and even
>> keep order in the collection camps – if I could close my eyes and let
>> a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>> Palestine.
>> It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price…was
>> not too high for me.

>> We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoked
>> cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>> smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>> case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>> and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

>> Dr. Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>> of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel…

>> As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>> attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>> Zionist leaders….I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>> thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>> oal…’You can have the others’, he would say, ‘but let me have this
>> group here’.

>> And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
>> keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
>> After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so
>> Jews…
>> That was the ‘gentleman’s agreement’ I had with Kastner” (Hecht, ibid,
>> p.26ö-61)
>>
>> Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
>> merely to ‘the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>> equipment’, as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term ‘collaboration’ is
>> the term that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had
>> known what the accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR
>> saying ‘In these circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious
>> and absurd’.
>>
>> Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>
>> According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>> Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>> accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>> than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
>> prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
>> Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
>> the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>> The Verdict
>> ————
>> Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel’s District Court of
>> Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>> The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>> studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on
>> 3CR, has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to
>> the Jewish community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to
>> promote racism, in bad taste and contrary to common sense.
>>
>> It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board’s
>> complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
>> the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
>> its’ complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information
>> can backfire on the censors themselves.

>> Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
>> became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:

>> “The masses of Jews from Hungary’s ghettos obediently boarded the
>> deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>> confidence in the false information that they were being transferred
>> to Kenyermeze.

>> The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>> they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

>> The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>> rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>> others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
>> mislead the Jews.
>> They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>> of Jewish leaders.

>> The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>> leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>> spreading such false information and did not protest.

>> Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>> persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local ‘rescue work’.

>> The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>> knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>> deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>> quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>> hampering the deportation orders.

>> Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>> dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to
>> overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
>> activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>
>> And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>> Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>
>> The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>> Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>> their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
>> leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>> deportations…these same leaders did not join the people of their
>> community n their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
>> Rescue train.
>>
>> The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>> extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>> Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
>> The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
>> they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
>> will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
>> Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into oollaboration with
>> the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>
>> The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>> Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>
>> The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
>> ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
>> expensively if honorably guided.
>>
>> Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
>> exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.
>>
>> The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>> Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>> task easier.
>>
>> The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>> summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>> not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>> chiefs.
>>
>> It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>> Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>> underground.
>>
>> The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>> Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
>> the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
>> Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>
>> The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>> these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>> the extermination plan of the killers ?
>>
>> The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner’s Rescue
>> Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>> friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary – their total
>> annihilation.
>>
>> The Nazi’s patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>> six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
>> Jews.
>> Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>> attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>> to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
>> a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
>> that would also justify his conduct – his political negotiation with
>> Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>
>> When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>> soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the
>> majority of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic
>> element in the agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement
>> fixed the division of the nation into two unequal camps: a small
>> fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on
>> the one hand, and the great majority of Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis
>> designated for death, on the other hand.
>> An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
>> was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
>> the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
>> fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
>> the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
>> already been wiped out from the book of the living.
>>
>> One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner’s collaboration and
>> put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
>> not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
>> the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
>> chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>
>> All of Kastner’s answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>> to evade this truth.
>>
>> Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>> wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated
>> quickly to another.”
>>
>> (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
>> Generalv. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
>> 1955).
>>
>> Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>> Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>> ‘new line’ of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>
>> “From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the ‘new line’
>> stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>
>> According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>> Jews.
>>
>> This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>> ‘rescue’ work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>> of Kastner’s involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>> criminals.
>>
>> Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>> achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>> Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>>
>> Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>> Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
>> Kastner’s duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.
>>
>> In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>> the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>
>> All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>> were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler”. (ibid)
>>
>> Judge Halevi continues:
>>
>> “Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>> when he denied he had interceded in Becher’s hehalf. Moreover, he
>> concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
>> of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>
>> As to the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, it was enough for the
>> defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
>> prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
>> negate the affidavit.
>>
>> The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>> criminal.
>>
>> The lies in the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, the lies in his
>> testimony concerning the document, and Kastner’s knowing participation
>> in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
>> last minute fake rescue activities – all these combine to show one
>> overwhelming truth – that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>
>> Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>> stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>> declared in the affidavit.
>>
>> The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>> but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>> and no good faith in Kastner’s testimony, ‘I never doubted for one
>> moment the good intention of good Becher’.
>>
>> It is clear that the positive recommandation by Kastner, not only in
>> his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>> World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>> exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>> of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
>> the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
>> were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
>> there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
>> criminal.
>> Kastner’s affidavit in favor of Becher was a willfully false affidavit
>> given in favor of a war criminal to save him from trial and punishment
>> n Nuremberg.
>>
>> Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>> accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>> his statements.” (ibid)
>>
>> Judge Halevi’s verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>> libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
>> unproven accusation – that Kastner had actually collected money from
>> his Nazi partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge
>> also ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred
>> Israeli pounds as court costs.
>>
>> In fairness to Kastner it should me mentioned that as well as having
>> been unpaid, it was never established that he ever wore S.S. uniform.
>>
>> Nevertheless, this verdict, and the evidence on which it was based,
>> completely establishes the truth of everything said on 3CR about the
>> matter.
>>
>> If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>> individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>> attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>> pointed to much more than that.
>>
>> But the story does not end there.
>>
>> The Reaction
>> ————-
>> Public opinion in Israel was almost unanimous in demanding that
>> Kastner and his associates should be put on trial. Remember that up to
>> now it was Kastner’s accuser who was on trial.
>>
>> The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha’am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>
>> “All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>> know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder” (23 June
>> 1955)
>>
>> In the authoritative Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz, the leading political
>> journalist, Dr. Moshe Keren wrote:
>>
>> “Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
>> trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
>> defended by the Israeli Government…” (14 July 1955).
>>
>> *Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:
>> “The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
>> him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
>> Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
>> defense.” (23 June 1955)
>>
>> But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>> Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>> Government of Israel.
>>
>> As the evening paper *Yedi’ot Aharonot* said:
>> “If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>> political and national collapse – as a result of what such a trial may
>> disclose.” (23 June 1955)
>>
>> Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>> instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
>> criminal libel.
>>
>> As Dr. Karlebach wrote in Israel’s largest evening newspaper,
>> *Ma’ariv*:
>> “What is going on here? The Attorney General has to mobilize all the
>> government power, appear himself in court, to justify and defend
>> collaboration with Himmler! And in order to defend a quisling, the
>> government must drag through the streets one of the grimmest stories
>> of our history!
>>
>> At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>> government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed – an
>> appeal filed.
>> What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
>> such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>> appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?! (24
>> June 1955)
>>
>> At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>> of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>> was defending Kastner so strongly: “The man Kastner does not stand
>> here as a private individual. He was a recognized representative,
>> official or non-official of the Jewish National Institutes in
>> Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in this court
>> to defend the representative of our national institutions.” (Hecht, p.
>> 268)
>>
>> The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner’s collaboration
>> was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>> leadership.
>>
>> So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>> continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>> collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>> But the story gets worse.
>>
>> The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>> Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>> the name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
>> this point Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not ‘fully
>> rehabilitated’.
>>
>> The Supreme Court also accepted the FACTS established in the lower
>> court – that Kastner DELIBERATELY concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>> from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
>> take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
>> ‘fully rehabilitated’.
>>
>> The Majority Judgement
>> ————————-
>> But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>> these FACTS, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
>> two, found that Kastner’s actions were MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE and
>> convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
>> ‘collaboration’.
>>
>> In saying that 3CR broadcasts concealed the fact that Kastner had been
>> fully rehabilitated by the Israeli Supreme Court, Dr. Foster is
>> totally missing the point.
>>
>> Kastner’s actions only proved that HE was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>> the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
>> that prove conclusively that ZIONISM approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>
>> The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not REHABILITATE
>> Kastner.
>> They JOINED him.
>>
>> Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>> Chesin:
>>
>> “…What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>> Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
>> the end of their journey…Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
>> saying, ‘The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
>> tree’.
>> This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another witness
>> about the Hungarian Jews, ‘This was a big Jewish community in Hungary,
>> without any ideological Jewish backbone’ (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner
>> aide in Budapest, protocol 465).
>>
>> I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, ‘The
>> Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>> neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
>> with force against the deportation scheme’…From this point of view
>> no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
>> news to the Jewish leaders there, and this…is a consideration which
>> one can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>
>> .And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>> when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
>> result from his great dispair because of the helplessness of the
>> Jewish community.
>> Even then, I say, this is still not considered willful collaboration
>> and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
>> that Kastner’s efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
>> scale…And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
>> very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
>> knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
>> save a few Jews from Hell – this is still no proof that he stained his
>> hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
>> their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>
>> Even if, through these activities of his – or rather, his omission –
>> the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
>> question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
>> a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
>> should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
>> awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
>> although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
>> many or should he disclose the truth to many though it is his best
>> opinion that this way everybody will perish. I think that the answer
>> is clear. What good will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to
>> perish?…As I said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings
>> of the learned President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi)
>> but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as
>> of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>> That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>> extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
>> leadership both from a moral and public point of view…
>>
>> In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>> collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>> who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
>> extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
>> Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
>> gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
>> what was known to them and did not warn and did not cry out of the
>> coming danger….
>>
>> Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>> Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
>> Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
>> people in Hungary during the last war.” (Hecht, ibid, pp.270-2)
>>
>> n other words, the Court approved of Kastner’s contempt for the
>> Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
>> exactly what many other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did –
>> concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
>> Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
>> Zionist ‘leaders’ boarded a different train for Palestine.
>>
>> The Minority Judgement
>> ————————–
>> It cannot be said that ALL top Zionists leaders actively approved of
>> Nazi collaboration in this way. Indeed the most precise answer to this
>> sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is provided in the minority
>> judgement of S>>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General
>> therefore shrinks into Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>>
>> “I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>> the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
>> have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
>> dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
>> judgements on the guilt of others….
>>
>> an opinion….’Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
>> ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
>> he, as a result of his personal dispair, did not disclose the secret
>> of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
>> of the few – therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
>> accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
>> extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
>> result.’
>>
>> I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>> such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>> cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>> without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
>> the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
>> emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
>> had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
>> thousands would have been able to save their lives by local, partial,
>> specific or indirect rescue operations like local revolts, resistance,
>> escapes, hidings, concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of
>> documents, ransom money, bribery, etc – and when this is the case and
>> when one deals with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human
>> being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty and with an extreme
>> ‘no’ the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he
>> examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead
>> of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the last hope
>> of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as his
>> defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
>> to a claim of such good faith…
>>
>> If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>> die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
>> will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
>> as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
>> the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>
>> Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>> complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
>> rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>
>> And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>> was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>> Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
>> make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
>> his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
>> many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
>> escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
>> these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
>> proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
>> claim that Kastner had concealed the news about the fate of the ghetto
>> inmates in good faith and only as a result of his complete despairing
>> of the chances of escaping or resisting the Germans. You can not claim
>> at the same time helplessness and activity.
>> Anyway, such a claim is not convincing…
>>
>> We can sum up with three facts:
>> A. That the Nazis didn’t want to have a great revolt – ‘Second Warsaw’
>> – nor small revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination
>> machine working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to
>> Kastner from the best source – from Eichmann himself – And he had
>> additional proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and
>> misleading tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first
>> moment of occupation.
>>
>> B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with – or
>> the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>> murder.
>> This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
>> evidence for this.
>>
>> C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>> prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>> of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>
>> And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner…He who is capable of
>> rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
>> great war criminal were not so horryfying or despicable in his
>> eyes…I couldn’t base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
>> been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
>> of events it throws retroactive light on the whole affair and serves
>> as a dozen proofs of our conclusion.” (Supreme Court Judge, Moshe
>> Silberg, 1957)
>>
>> Conclusion
>> ———–
>> If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>> their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
>> have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
>> advocate collaboration with the Nazis.
>>
>> One could then at least understand the complaints by Mr. Bloch,
>> President of the Victorian Jewish Board of Deputies, about the
>> ‘dragging in of alleged episodes in the history of Jewish/Nazi
>> relationships’.
>>
>> But Judge Silberg’s judgement was that of a minority.
>>
>> The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history,
>> being ‘dragged in’ to discredit an opponent.
>>
>> It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>> Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>> with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>
>> Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>> Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>> Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>> gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
>> to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
>> and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>
>> Becher has even used his certification as a ‘good’ SS officer to give
>> evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>> West Germany.
>>
>> Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>> the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>> presure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>> fear of what might come out.
>>
>> Likewise, none of Kastner’s associates on the Zionist Relief and
>> Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
>> on trial as demanded by Israeli public opinion. Let alone the hundreds
>> of ‘prominents’ who helped Kastner to reassure the Hungarian Jews that
>> they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz, in exchange for
>> tickets on the one train that took them eventually to Palestine.
>>
>> As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarassment to the
>> Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>> was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
>> leadership in Palestine. He is, as Dr. Foster so delicately puts it,
>> ‘now dead’.
>>
>> Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeer
>> Eckstein – immediately after the appeal hearings were concluded, and
>> before the judgement ‘rehabilitating’ him was delivered. Eckstein was
>> not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the Israeli
>> secret service.
>> (Hecht, ibid., p.208. Another ‘fantastic allegation’ no doubt; but
>> admitted in court during the murder trial).
>>
>> Clearly this issue has a major indirect relevance to the Arab-Israeli
>> dispute. Apart from countering Israel’s cynical use of the holocaust
>> as a propaganda weapon, it answers a very real concern that many
>> people have about the State of Israel and the Jews. This concern is
>> whether, if Jews had a State of their own during the holocaust many
>> more could have been saved, and whether this is not an essential
>> future consideration, at least as an insurance policy.
>>
>> The facts of the Kastner case show that the very existence of the
>> Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) was an actual help to the
>> Nazis and that more could have been saved if the Zionist movement had
>> not existed.
>> Having a State that approves of actions like those of Kastner for an
>> insurance policy, is like using petrol for a fire extinguisher.
>>
>> Zionism is not the answer to anti-semitism, but a cowardly proposal to
>> run away from it. The only answer to anti-semitism is to fight back.
>>
>> We shall go on to prove this in detail.
>> ——————————————————————
>> Elias Davidsson – Oldugata 50 – 101 Reykjavik – Iceland
>> Tel. (354)-552-6444 Fax: (354)-552-6579
>> mail: [email protected] URL: http://www.nyherji.is/~edavid
>>
>>
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled – as fertiliser!!
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:35:10 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
>> wrote:
>>
>> Looks like the filthy ZHIDS just do not like this well-documented
>> expose of their holohoax, and the fact that it documents 52 cases of
>> ZHID COLLABORATION WITH THE NAZIS!!
>>
>>>>On 28 Nov 2004 10:59:36 -0800, [email protected]
>>>>(HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote:
>>
>> This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,
>> so that more and more people around the world will come to know the
>> truth about the ZHID COLLABORATION with nazis.
>> It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
>> more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!
>>
>> Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zhid lies!!
>>
>> More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZHID
>> COLLABORATION with the nazis!!
>>
>> Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
>> ZHIDS, to consider demanding repayment?

>>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>>> wrote:

>> It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
>> Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
>> COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS with
>>>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>>>>>public.

>>>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
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Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS – another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case –
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

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IHR – www.ihr.org
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OSTARA – www.ostara.org
PAMYAT – http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele – www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 10:41:26 -0600, in de.soc.politik.misc Matthias Kern
wrote:

Israel will wieder mal in Deutschland regieren…
Immer die verfluechten Juden!

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:03:15 +0200, in de.soc.politik.misc Andreas Gumtow
wrote:

21. Oktober 2006
Stein dringt auf Initiative gegen Rechtsextreme

Israels Botschafter in Deutschland, Schimon Stein, hat an Politik und
Gesellschaft appelliert, gemeinsam gegen den Rechtsradikalismus aktiv
zu werden.
In der “Neuen Osnabrücker Zeitung” sagte Stein, es handele sich “nicht
mehr um Randerscheinungen”, wenn Rechtsradikale in die Landtage von
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Brandenburg und Sachsen gewählt worden seien.
] N24

Wann geht Herr Stein denn nun gegen Liebermann vor? Der ist wesentlich
extremer und sitzt nicht etwa “nur” in einem Landtag sondern in der
Knesset. Welche extreme Partei, außer natürlich der linksextremen
SED/PDS NAchfolgeorganisation “LINKE”, sitzt im Bundestag? Oder ist
das nicht so schlimm weil Liebermann und Co ja zu den “RICHTIGEN”(tm)
gehört?


In der Politik ist es ähnlich wie im Pflegeheim…

Auch Politiker müssen öfter mal gewendet werden,
sonst lügen die sich durch.

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS – another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case – no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS – another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case – no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE – www.zundelsite.org
IHR – www.ihr.org
Stormfront – http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA – www.ostara.org
PAMYAT – http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele – www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
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Yggdrasil’s White Nationalist Library – http://www.ddc.net/ygg
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Campaign for Radical Truth in History – http://www.hoffman-info.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:22:22 GMT, “Georgio Salavantinizi”
wrote:

>Can’t people stop bringing up the past about WWII and the awful crap that
>took place?

>Yes it was a bad war, tens of millions died. Not just Jews, but people from
>all sides. Now, the pagan atheist Hitler is gone and so is his pagan atheist
>Nazi party.

>It’s back to JudeoChristianity again and things have calmed down. People are
>having fun, good humor is back again, and the problems of the past are just
>that; of the past.

The TRUTH must be exposed, to avoid making similar mistakes again.

The ZYDS COLLABORATED WITH NAZIS, to benefit themselves only!!

>”Marek Maciej Ziemba” wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> Nazi officials under the direction of SS officer Adolf Eichmann
>> offered to sell the Zionist Aid and Rescue Committee (Vaada), of which
>> Rudolf Kastner was the de facto leader, exit visas for 600 Jews who
>> held Palestinian immigration certificates, in exchange for 6.5
>> million pengö (RM 4,000,000 or $1,600,000).

>> Rudolf Kastner, who became a government minister in Israel, was
>> assassinated there in March 1957 following allegations that he had
>> collaborated with the Nazis.

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastner_train
>>
>> Mirelle

>> This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,so
>> that more and more people around the world will come to know the truth
>> about the ZYD COLLABORATION with nazis.
>> It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
>> more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!
>>
>> Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zyd lies!!
>>
>> More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZYD
>> COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

>> Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
>> ZYDS, to consider demanding repayment?

>>>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>> It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
>> Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
>> COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>>>> wrote:

>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS with
>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>>>public.

>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

>>>>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:51:02 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>Newsgroups:soc.culture.swiss,soc.culture.european,soc.culture.europe,so
>> c.culture.polish,soc.culture.germany
>>>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>>September 2004, page 86
>>>>>Book Review
>>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List:$22; AET:
>>>>>$15.
>>>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>>>coverage in the American media.

>>>>>Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has compiled a wide variety of letters,
>>>>>statements, articles, and judgements?some of which appeared in his
>>>>>earlier book?by a broad array of activists and authors, that
>>>>>documents Zionist cooperration with the Nazis.

>>>>>On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>>>presents the case?made in many Zionists? own words?that the Nazi
>>>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the
>>>>>Zionist plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and
>>>>>creating a new Jewish nation.

>>>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.

>>>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>>>others written in response.

>>>>>These latter do indicate levels of collaboration between Zionists and
>>>>>fascists, both the Nazis in Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy.
>>>>>Brenner’s brief explanatory notes at the beginning of each document
>>>>>are helpful, as are the glossary and index.

>>>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some
>>>>>Zionists eschewed the boycott against Hitler?s Germany, for instance, is
>>>>>that they had a financial deal?Ha’avara?with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before.
>>>>>Moreover, the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of ‘nationality’
>>>>>versus citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on
>>>>>the same concept.
>>
>>>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term Holocaust
>>>>>guilt, frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who
>>>>>made the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to
>>>>>place Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives
>> of
>>>>>their threatened European brethren.
>>
>>>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on
>>>>>Feb. 18, 1943:
>>
>>>>>And when some asked me: Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora? I said:
>>>>>?No! And again I say no….And, because of these things, people
>>>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the
>> fact
>>>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions.(p. 211)
>>
>>>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically
>>>>>align themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally
>> saw
>>>>>race as an important dividing line?and, moreover, were determined
>> to
>>>>>keep it that way.
>>
>>>>>From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,’assimilation’ of Jews
>>>>>into the societies in which they lived was not an acceptable
>> option.
>>>>>Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on a national level,
>> not
>>>>>a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, ‘It is impossible for a
>> man
>>>>>to become assimilated with people whose blood is different from his
>>>>>own’
>>>>>(p. 10); in Einstein?s words, ?Palestine is first and foremost not
>> a
>>>>>refuge for East European Jews, but the incarnation of a reawakening
>>>>>sense of national solidarity? (p. 29).
>>
>>>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the STERN GANG, , wrote the
>>>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>
>>>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would
>> be
>>>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>
>>>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference?and,
>>>>>therefore, racial supremacy?were practiced around the world.
>>
>>>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the
>>>>>Zionist cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of
>> this
>>>>>book,another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than
>> savory
>>>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers,
>> in
>>>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after
>> the
>>>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>
>>>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to
>>>>>bring information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to
>> U.S.
>>>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives ‘both Palestinian
>>>>>and Israeli’ in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it
>>>>>difficult not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem
>> to wear
>>>>>when examining Zionism.
>>
>>
>> # 5 The Kastner Case
>> ZHID KOLABORACI WITH EICHMANN & NAZIS!!
>> Extracted from a pamphlet issued by BAZO-PS – 1981
>>
>> Introduction
>>
>> The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is
>> that involving Rudolf Kastner.
>>
>> Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>> Those who have, are generally under the impression that
>> there is some “controversy” about negotiations he undertook
>> for “the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>> equipment,” but that he was “fully rehabilitated” by the
>> Supreme Court of Israel.
>>
>> The Accusations
>>
>> Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>> Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the
>> British Medical Research Council, was one of the few
>> escapees from Auschwitz. In his memoirs published in
>> February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:
>>
>> I am a Jew. In spite of that – indeed because of that –
>> I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly
>> deeds of the war.
>>
>> This small group of quislings knew what was happening to
>> their brethren in Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their
>> own lives with the price of silence.
>>
>> Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke
>> for all Jews in Hungary.
>> While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz – the number is
>> still on my arm – I compiled careful statistics of the
>> exterminations…I took these terrible statistics with me
>> when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian
>> Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned
>> to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers…
>> Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, “I know of your plans;
>> spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.”
>>
>> Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S.
>> uniform and took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends.
>>
>> Nor did the sordid bargaining end there.
>>
>> Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
>> little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>> when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine…
>> (Ben Hecht, Perfidy, pp 261-2)
>>
>> These accusations are confirmed by the “Eichmann Confessions”
>> published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>> “I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the
>> commander stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off
>> in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for
>> future campaigns elsewhere…In obedience to Himmler’s
>> directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>> political officials in Budapest…Among them, Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>> authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.
>>
>> This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>> lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
>> Jews from resisting deportation – and even keep order in the
>> collection camps – if I could close my eyes and let a few
>> hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>> Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the
>> camps, the price…was not too high for me.
>>
>> “…We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
>> Kastner smoked cigarets as though he were in a coffeehouse.
>> While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigaret after
>> another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them
>> with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>> he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>
>> “Dr. Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for
>> a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Palestune…
>>
>> “As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity
>> between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these
>> immensely idealistic Zionist leaders….I believe that Kastner
>> would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his
>> blood to achieve his political goal…
>> ‘You can have the others’, he would say, ‘but let me have
>> this group here’. And because Kastner rendered us a great
>> service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I
>> would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>> concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews…
>> That was the ‘gentleman’s agreement’ I had with Kastner.”
>> (Hecht, Ibid., pp.260-61)
>>
>> Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false,
>> do not relate merely to “the purchase of Jewish lives for
>> money and military equipment.”

>> Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>> According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie.
>> When Malchiel Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli
>> citizen published these accusations against Kastner, the
>> Israeli Government did rather more than demand that his
>> views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>> official Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of
>> Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General
>> of the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>> -88-
>> ———————————————————————–
>> Posted by Robert E. Nordlander
>> [email protected]

>> Subject: Kastner Case=ZHID KOLLABORACI WITH NAZIS!!

>> From: Elias Davidsson ([email protected])
>> Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
>> Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
>> Date: 1997/07/12

>> The Kastner Case

>> Introduction

>> Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
>> up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of
>> all and will show that on this question ‘The documentation available
>> is overwhelming and its message is thundering”, just as Palestine
>> Speaks claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

>> Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
>> the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
>> accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly
>> the most ‘extreme’ and ‘offensive’ accusations of Nazi-Zionist
>> collaboration broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first,
>> and in greater detail.

>> Since the ‘Kastner case’ is the subject of most of the broadcasts
>> concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
>> about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some
>> books in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its
>> case appears strongest, and on the points to which it has given
>> greatest emphasis,we hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that
>> things are not quite what they may have appeared before this inquiry
>> began.

>> The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>> involving Rudolf Kastner.

>> Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>> Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
>> ‘controversy’ about negotiations he undertook for ‘the purchase of
>> Jewish lives for money and military equipment’, but that he was ‘fully
>> ehabilitated’ by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>>
>> That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
>> Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
>> 3CR for anti-semitism.
>>
>> It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
>> anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
>> what Kastner was accused of.
>>
>> This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
>> account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works
>> dealing with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart
>> from 3CR, the suppression of information has been so complete, that
>> even an expert like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on
>> the matter, has been unable to find out what it is all about.
>>
>> The Accusations
>> —————-
>> Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>> “Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>> Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>> In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>> Herald, he wrote:
>>
>> ‘I am a Jew. In spite of that – indeed because of that – I accuse
>> certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>
>> This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
>> brethren in Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their their own lives
>> with the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the
>> council which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner
>> number 44070 at Auschwitz – the number is still on my arm – I compiled
>> careful statistics of the exterminations…I took these terrible
>> statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give
>> Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned to
>> send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers…Kastner went to
>> Eichmann and told him, ‘I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>> choice and I shall keep quiet.’
>>
>> Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>> took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>> bargaining end there.
>>
>> Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>> fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany
>> collapsed,to set himself up in the Argentine…”(Ben Hecht, op.cit.
>> pp261-2)
>>
>> These accusations are confirmed by the ‘Eichmann Confessions’
>> published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>> “I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>> stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>> operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>> elsewhere…In obedience to Himmler’s directive I now concentrated on
>> negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest…Among
>> them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>> Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>> lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
>> He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation – and even
>> keep order in the collection camps – if I could close my eyes and let
>> a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>> Palestine.
>> It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price…was
>> not too high for me.

>> We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoked
>> cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>> smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>> case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>> and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

>> Dr. Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>> of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel…

>> As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>> attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>> Zionist leaders….I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>> thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>> oal…’You can have the others’, he would say, ‘but let me have this
>> group here’.

>> And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
>> keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
>> After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so
>> Jews…
>> That was the ‘gentleman’s agreement’ I had with Kastner” (Hecht, ibid,
>> p.26ö-61)
>>
>> Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
>> merely to ‘the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>> equipment’, as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term ‘collaboration’ is
>> the term that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had
>> known what the accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR
>> saying ‘In these circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious
>> and absurd’.
>>
>> Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>
>> According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>> Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>> accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>> than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
>> prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
>> Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
>> the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>> The Verdict
>> ————
>> Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel’s District Court of
>> Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>> The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>> studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on
>> 3CR, has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to
>> the Jewish community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to
>> promote racism, in bad taste and contrary to common sense.
>>
>> It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board’s
>> complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
>> the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
>> its’ complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information
>> can backfire on the censors themselves.

>> Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
>> became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:

>> “The masses of Jews from Hungary’s ghettos obediently boarded the
>> deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>> confidence in the false information that they were being transferred
>> to Kenyermeze.

>> The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>> they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

>> The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>> rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>> others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
>> mislead the Jews.
>> They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>> of Jewish leaders.

>> The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>> leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>> spreading such false information and did not protest.

>> Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>> persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local ‘rescue work’.

>> The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>> knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>> deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>> quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>> hampering the deportation orders.

>> Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>> dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to
>> overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
>> activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>
>> And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>> Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>
>> The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>> Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>> their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
>> leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>> deportations…these same leaders did not join the people of their
>> community n their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
>> Rescue train.
>>
>> The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>> extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>> Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
>> The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
>> they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
>> will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
>> Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into oollaboration with
>> the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>
>> The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>> Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>
>> The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
>> ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
>> expensively if honorably guided.
>>
>> Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
>> exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.
>>
>> The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>> Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>> task easier.
>>
>> The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>> summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>> not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>> chiefs.
>>
>> It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>> Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>> underground.
>>
>> The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>> Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
>> the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
>> Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>
>> The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>> these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>> the extermination plan of the killers ?
>>
>> The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner’s Rescue
>> Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>> friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary – their total
>> annihilation.
>>
>> The Nazi’s patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>> six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
>> Jews.
>> Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>> attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>> to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
>> a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
>> that would also justify his conduct – his political negotiation with
>> Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>
>> When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>> soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the
>> majority of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic
>> element in the agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement
>> fixed the division of the nation into two unequal camps: a small
>> fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on
>> the one hand, and the great majority of Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis
>> designated for death, on the other hand.
>> An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
>> was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
>> the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
>> fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
>> the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
>> already been wiped out from the book of the living.
>>
>> One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner’s collaboration and
>> put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
>> not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
>> the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
>> chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>
>> All of Kastner’s answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>> to evade this truth.
>>
>> Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>> wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated
>> quickly to another.”
>>
>> (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
>> Generalv. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
>> 1955).
>>
>> Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>> Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>> ‘new line’ of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>
>> “From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the ‘new line’
>> stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>
>> According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>> Jews.
>>
>> This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>> ‘rescue’ work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>> of Kastner’s involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>> criminals.
>>
>> Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>> achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>> Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>>
>> Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>> Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
>> Kastner’s duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.
>>
>> In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>> the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>
>> All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>> were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler”. (ibid)
>>
>> Judge Halevi continues:
>>
>> “Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>> when he denied he had interceded in Becher’s hehalf. Moreover, he
>> concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
>> of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>
>> As to the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, it was enough for the
>> defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
>> prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
>> negate the affidavit.
>>
>> The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>> criminal.
>>
>> The lies in the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, the lies in his
>> testimony concerning the document, and Kastner’s knowing participation
>> in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
>> last minute fake rescue activities – all these combine to show one
>> overwhelming truth – that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>
>> Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>> stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>> declared in the affidavit.
>>
>> The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>> but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>> and no good faith in Kastner’s testimony, ‘I never doubted for one
>> moment the good intention of good Becher’.
>>
>> It is clear that the positive recommandation by Kastner, not only in
>> his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>> World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>> exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>> of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
>> the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
>> were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
>> there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
>> criminal.
>> Kastner’s affidavit in favor of Becher was a willfully false affidavit
>> given in favor of a war criminal to save him from trial and punishment
>> n Nuremberg.
>>
>> Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>> accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>> his statements.” (ibid)
>>
>> Judge Halevi’s verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>> libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
>> unproven accusation – that Kastner had actually collected money from
>> his Nazi partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge
>> also ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred
>> Israeli pounds as court costs.
>>
>> In fairness to Kastner it should me mentioned that as well as having
>> been unpaid, it was never established that he ever wore S.S. uniform.
>>
>> Nevertheless, this verdict, and the evidence on which it was based,
>> completely establishes the truth of everything said on 3CR about the
>> matter.
>>
>> If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>> individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>> attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>> pointed to much more than that.
>>
>> But the story does not end there.
>>
>> The Reaction
>> ————-
>> Public opinion in Israel was almost unanimous in demanding that
>> Kastner and his associates should be put on trial. Remember that up to
>> now it was Kastner’s accuser who was on trial.
>>
>> The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha’am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>
>> “All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>> know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder” (23 June
>> 1955)
>>
>> In the authoritative Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz, the leading political
>> journalist, Dr. Moshe Keren wrote:
>>
>> “Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
>> trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
>> defended by the Israeli Government…” (14 July 1955).
>>
>> *Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:
>> “The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
>> him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
>> Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
>> defense.” (23 June 1955)
>>
>> But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>> Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>> Government of Israel.
>>
>> As the evening paper *Yedi’ot Aharonot* said:
>> “If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>> political and national collapse – as a result of what such a trial may
>> disclose.” (23 June 1955)
>>
>> Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>> instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
>> criminal libel.
>>
>> As Dr. Karlebach wrote in Israel’s largest evening newspaper,
>> *Ma’ariv*:
>> “What is going on here? The Attorney General has to mobilize all the
>> government power, appear himself in court, to justify and defend
>> collaboration with Himmler! And in order to defend a quisling, the
>> government must drag through the streets one of the grimmest stories
>> of our history!
>>
>> At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>> government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed – an
>> appeal filed.
>> What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
>> such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>> appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?! (24
>> June 1955)
>>
>> At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>> of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>> was defending Kastner so strongly: “The man Kastner does not stand
>> here as a private individual. He was a recognized representative,
>> official or non-official of the Jewish National Institutes in
>> Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in this court
>> to defend the representative of our national institutions.” (Hecht, p.
>> 268)
>>
>> The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner’s collaboration
>> was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>> leadership.
>>
>> So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>> continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>> collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>> But the story gets worse.
>>
>> The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>> Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>> the name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
>> this point Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not ‘fully
>> rehabilitated’.
>>
>> The Supreme Court also accepted the FACTS established in the lower
>> court – that Kastner DELIBERATELY concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>> from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
>> take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
>> ‘fully rehabilitated’.
>>
>> The Majority Judgement
>> ————————-
>> But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>> these FACTS, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
>> two, found that Kastner’s actions were MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE and
>> convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
>> ‘collaboration’.
>>
>> In saying that 3CR broadcasts concealed the fact that Kastner had been
>> fully rehabilitated by the Israeli Supreme Court, Dr. Foster is
>> totally missing the point.
>>
>> Kastner’s actions only proved that HE was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>> the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
>> that prove conclusively that ZIONISM approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>
>> The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not REHABILITATE
>> Kastner.
>> They JOINED him.
>>
>> Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>> Chesin:
>>
>> “…What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>> Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
>> the end of their journey…Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
>> saying, ‘The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
>> tree’.
>> This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another witness
>> about the Hungarian Jews, ‘This was a big Jewish community in Hungary,
>> without any ideological Jewish backbone’ (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner
>> aide in Budapest, protocol 465).
>>
>> I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, ‘The
>> Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>> neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
>> with force against the deportation scheme’…From this point of view
>> no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
>> news to the Jewish leaders there, and this…is a consideration which
>> one can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>
>> .And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>> when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
>> result from his great dispair because of the helplessness of the
>> Jewish community.
>> Even then, I say, this is still not considered willful collaboration
>> and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
>> that Kastner’s efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
>> scale…And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
>> very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
>> knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
>> save a few Jews from Hell – this is still no proof that he stained his
>> hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
>> their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>
>> Even if, through these activities of his – or rather, his omission –
>> the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
>> question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
>> a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
>> should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
>> awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
>> although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
>> many or should he disclose the truth to many though it is his best
>> opinion that this way everybody will perish. I think that the answer
>> is clear. What good will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to
>> perish?…As I said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings
>> of the learned President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi)
>> but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as
>> of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>> That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>> extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
>> leadership both from a moral and public point of view…
>>
>> In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>> collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>> who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
>> extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
>> Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
>> gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
>> what was known to them and did not warn and did not cry out of the
>> coming danger….
>>
>> Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>> Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
>> Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
>> people in Hungary during the last war.” (Hecht, ibid, pp.270-2)
>>
>> n other words, the Court approved of Kastner’s contempt for the
>> Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
>> exactly what many other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did –
>> concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
>> Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
>> Zionist ‘leaders’ boarded a different train for Palestine.
>>
>> The Minority Judgement
>> ————————–
>> It cannot be said that ALL top Zionists leaders actively approved of
>> Nazi collaboration in this way. Indeed the most precise answer to this
>> sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is provided in the minority
>> judgement of S>>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General
>> therefore shrinks into Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>>
>> “I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>> the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
>> have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
>> dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
>> judgements on the guilt of others….
>>
>> an opinion….’Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
>> ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
>> he, as a result of his personal dispair, did not disclose the secret
>> of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
>> of the few – therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
>> accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
>> extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
>> result.’
>>
>> I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>> such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>> cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>> without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
>> the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
>> emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
>> had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
>> thousands would have been able to save their lives by local, partial,
>> specific or indirect rescue operations like local revolts, resistance,
>> escapes, hidings, concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of
>> documents, ransom money, bribery, etc – and when this is the case and
>> when one deals with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human
>> being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty and with an extreme
>> ‘no’ the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he
>> examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead
>> of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the last hope
>> of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as his
>> defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
>> to a claim of such good faith…
>>
>> If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>> die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
>> will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
>> as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
>> the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>
>> Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>> complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
>> rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>
>> And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>> was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>> Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
>> make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
>> his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
>> many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
>> escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
>> these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
>> proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
>> claim that Kastner had concealed the news about the fate of the ghetto
>> inmates in good faith and only as a result of his complete despairing
>> of the chances of escaping or resisting the Germans. You can not claim
>> at the same time helplessness and activity.
>> Anyway, such a claim is not convincing…
>>
>> We can sum up with three facts:
>> A. That the Nazis didn’t want to have a great revolt – ‘Second Warsaw’
>> – nor small revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination
>> machine working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to
>> Kastner from the best source – from Eichmann himself – And he had
>> additional proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and
>> misleading tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first
>> moment of occupation.
>>
>> B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with – or
>> the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>> murder.
>> This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
>> evidence for this.
>>
>> C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>> prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>> of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>
>> And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner…He who is capable of
>> rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
>> great war criminal were not so horryfying or despicable in his
>> eyes…I couldn’t base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
>> been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
>> of events it throws retroactive light on the whole affair and serves
>> as a dozen proofs of our conclusion.” (Supreme Court Judge, Moshe
>> Silberg, 1957)
>>
>> Conclusion
>> ———–
>> If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>> their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
>> have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
>> advocate collaboration with the Nazis.
>>
>> One could then at least understand the complaints by Mr. Bloch,
>> President of the Victorian Jewish Board of Deputies, about the
>> ‘dragging in of alleged episodes in the history of Jewish/Nazi
>> relationships’.
>>
>> But Judge Silberg’s judgement was that of a minority.
>>
>> The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history,
>> being ‘dragged in’ to discredit an opponent.
>>
>> It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>> Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>> with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>
>> Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>> Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>> Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>> gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
>> to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
>> and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>
>> Becher has even used his certification as a ‘good’ SS officer to give
>> evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>> West Germany.
>>
>> Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>> the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>> presure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>> fear of what might come out.
>>
>> Likewise, none of Kastner’s associates on the Zionist Relief and
>> Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
>> on trial as demanded by Israeli public opinion. Let alone the hundreds
>> of ‘prominents’ who helped Kastner to reassure the Hungarian Jews that
>> they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz, in exchange for
>> tickets on the one train that took them eventually to Palestine.
>>
>> As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarassment to the
>> Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>> was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
>> leadership in Palestine. He is, as Dr. Foster so delicately puts it,
>> ‘now dead’.
>>
>> Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeer
>> Eckstein – immediately after the appeal hearings were concluded, and
>> before the judgement ‘rehabilitating’ him was delivered. Eckstein was
>> not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the Israeli
>> secret service.
>> (Hecht, ibid., p.208. Another ‘fantastic allegation’ no doubt; but
>> admitted in court during the murder trial).
>>
>> Clearly this issue has a major indirect relevance to the Arab-Israeli
>> dispute. Apart from countering Israel’s cynical use of the holocaust
>> as a propaganda weapon, it answers a very real concern that many
>> people have about the State of Israel and the Jews. This concern is
>> whether, if Jews had a State of their own during the holocaust many
>> more could have been saved, and whether this is not an essential
>> future consideration, at least as an insurance policy.
>>
>> The facts of the Kastner case show that the very existence of the
>> Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) was an actual help to the
>> Nazis and that more could have been saved if the Zionist movement had
>> not existed.
>> Having a State that approves of actions like those of Kastner for an
>> insurance policy, is like using petrol for a fire extinguisher.
>>
>> Zionism is not the answer to anti-semitism, but a cowardly proposal to
>> run away from it. The only answer to anti-semitism is to fight back.
>>
>> We shall go on to prove this in detail.
>> ——————————————————————
>> Elias Davidsson – Oldugata 50 – 101 Reykjavik – Iceland
>> Tel. (354)-552-6444 Fax: (354)-552-6579
>> mail: [email protected] URL: http://www.nyherji.is/~edavid
>>
>>
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled – as fertiliser!!
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:35:10 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
>> wrote:
>>
>> Looks like the filthy ZHIDS just do not like this well-documented
>> expose of their holohoax, and the fact that it documents 52 cases of
>> ZHID COLLABORATION WITH THE NAZIS!!
>>
>>>>On 28 Nov 2004 10:59:36 -0800, [email protected]
>>>>(HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote:
>>
>> This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,
>> so that more and more people around the world will come to know the
>> truth about the ZHID COLLABORATION with nazis.
>> It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
>> more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!
>>
>> Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zhid lies!!
>>
>> More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZHID
>> COLLABORATION with the nazis!!
>>
>> Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
>> ZHIDS, to consider demanding repayment?

>>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>>> wrote:

>> It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
>> Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
>> COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS with
>>>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>>>>>public.

>>>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

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