Usenet 0996, Brescia Michael

1ACR
6 Sept 96

NOTE: The following declaration of principle was crafted to be a response
to
HCR206 (the so-called “anti-militia resolution” in the House of
Representatives). We think it makes plain the sources of, and the
benficiaries of, domestic terrorism. It calls for hearings on the
subjects
of militias, terrorism and Oklahoma City. This statement will be released
for the record on 11 September 1996, and a signed copy (with cover letter)
forwarded to Senator Hatch. It is being given the widest circulation so
as
to solicit the greatest number of signatures. We ask all constitutional
militia units to give it the widest circulation possible. In this
process,
copies will undoubtedly become available to the media. The media are
reminded that this is not for release until 11 September and should be
treated like every other delayed press release. Members of the fourth
estate
are also reminded that the story will be incomplete without the cover
letter
to Sen. Hatch. Also, its impact will be judged in part by how many
signatures it garners (the exact numbers of course will not be available
until 11 September).

NOT FOR PUBLIC RELEASE UNTIL 1200HRS 11 SEPTEMBER 1996
26 August 1996
FR: 1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment, Militia, Headquarters, Birmingham, Ala.
TO: All Constitutional Militia Units; CONUS, Alaski, Hawaii & Puerto Rico.

A CALL FOR RATIFICATION BY ALL CONSTITUTIONAL MILITIA UNITS OF A STATEMENT
OF
PRINCIPLE AGAINST TERRORISM AND TERRORISTS—

“THE ALABAMA DECLARATION”: CONSTITUTIONAL MILITIAS CONDEMN TERRORISM AND
ALL
TERRORISTS.

Whereas, a long string of terrorist incidents from Oklahoma City to the
Atlanta Olympics have been blamed (without one shred of proof) on the
constitutional militias by the current federal administration and its
willing
lapdogs in the press; and

Whereas, agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Federal
Bureau of Investigation and the U.S. Marshals Service have engaged in what
are arguably “terrorist” operations against the American people at Ruby
Ridge, Idaho, Waco, Texas, and other diverse places without punishment or
meaningful condemnation by their superiors, the Congress or the courts;
and

Whereas, the bulk of the constitutional militias of the various United
States
have formed as a grass-roots response to such government-sponsored
terrorism
as
well as the continued degradation of our Constitutional rights at the
hands
of the current federal administration; and

Whereas, agents of the ATF and FBI have engaged in unconstitutional
entrapment under the guise of so-called “sting” operations such as that
against Bob Starr, a militia leader in Georgia, where ATF “confidential
informants” provided the explosives and buried pipe bombs on Starr’s
property
without his knowledge or approval, a “crime” for which Bob Starr
languishes
in jail without bond, in vain attempts to tie the constitutional militia
movement to “terrorist” bomb plots; and

Whereas, the Wilburn private investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing
has
revealed that:
** That incident, which involved the mass murder of at least 168 innocent
Americans, was the result of just such an ATF sting operation gone bad;
and
** That the ATF (certainly) and the FBI (possibly) had advance knowledge
of
the bomb plot through the ATF-paid informant and German ex-army officer
Andreas Carl Strassmeir; and
** That the probable bombers, assisted by Timothy McVeigh and Terry
Nichols,
were a mixed bag of neo-Nazis and “Christian Identity” racists and
anti-semites (including those from Elohim City, Oklahoma) who hope to
ignite
a civil war that will destroy the American Republic thus giving way to a
Nazi
American
Reich; and
** That the ATF, FBI and elements of the Clinton Administration Justice
Department (especially the Oklahoma City prosecutorial team members, past
and
present),
have engaged in a coverup of the identity of “John Doe #2”, Michael
Brescia,
Andreas Strassmeir’s roommate at Elohim City, thus actively seeking to
prevent the exposure to the American people of the government’s prior
knowledge of the conspiracy; and
** That the murders of Arkansas gundealer Bill Mueller and his family as
well
as the string of bank robberies committed by the “Aryan Republican Army”
have
links to Michael Brescia and the Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy– facts
which the FBI investigators have refused to reveal or pursue, apparently
in
furtherance of the OKC coverup; and

Whereas, in the Oklahoma City bombing and other operations, elements of
various racist, Nazi and antisemitic groups (including Aryan Nations,
White
Aryan Resistance, the Army of Israel, the National Alliance, the Ku Klux
Klan
loyal to Louis Beam and others, and the “Christian Identity” movement’s
Phineas Priesthood cells), have shown themselves to be willing terrorist
footsoldiers of the advocates of government repression; and
** That the Turner Diaries predict Nazi terrorists winning an American
civil
war that they initiate by provoking government repression of American
gunowners; and
** That Bob Mathews, neo-Nazi “martyr” and founder of Der Buders
Schweigen (The Silent Brotherhood, aka “The Order”) issued a “Declaration
of
War against the so-called “Zionist Occupied Government, Jewish, black,
Hispanic and Asian Americans and white “race traitors” who didn’t agree
with
white supremacist goals and tactics; and
** That as recently as 3 August 1996, Dennis Mahon of the White Aryan
Resistance (a suspect in the Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy) proclaimed
on
a national radio broadcast that: “that Declaration of War has never been
rescinded.”; and
** That the fortunes of the current federal administration have risen,
begininning with the Oklahoma City bombing, in direct proportion to the
number and severity of terrorist incidents; that now, after Dharan, TWA
800
and Atlanta, Clinton stands at his highest ratings in the polls and seems
to
be likely to win reelection; and
** That this resurgence of Clinton is celebrated in the neo-Nazi halls
inhabited by William Pierce, Louis Beam and Richard Butler because they
see
in it the fulfillment of the Turner Diaries’ scenario; and ** That while
racist and antisemites may spout their hatred by every legal means, and
may
hide even incitement to murder behind our Constitutional shield, they may
not
kill with impunity their innocent fellow citizens (even small children)
and
call it “patriotism” and

Whereas, while the white supremacists and the Clinton Administration may
find
common purpose in the exploitation of terrorism, the American
Constitutional
militia movement spontaneously mustered to combat terrorism from wherever
it
may appear– an out-of-control federal bureaucracy or slimy purveyors of
hatred who coldly use mass murder as a tool to destroy our Republic; and

Whereas, when the white supremacists have attempted to infiltrate the
constitutional militia movement they have been singularly unsuccessful;
and
** That while the constitutional militia movement defends the Nazis’ right
to
hold whatever opinions they wish about other races and religions, we wish
to
make it plain that we do not hold such opinions, nor do we condone
discrimination and violent acts against others because of their faith or
color of their skin; and
** That the “Christian Identity” movement is comprised of a broad spectrum
of
adherents and beliefs, and that only a small minority engage in, or
condone,
terrorism; and
** That the ranks of the constitutional militas are filled with men and
women
of all races, creeds, colors and religions; and
** That we condemn racism and bigotry as antithetical to our belief that
all
are “created equal” as Thomas Jefferson wrote, and are entitled to equal
protection under the law; and
** That, when they are not trying to infiltrate us, the white
supremacists’
private opinions of the Constitutional militia movement is one of hatred
and
disdain, as journalist Jonathan Karl quoted “Pastor” Richard Butler of the
Aryan Nations: “Richard Butler says he also hates the militia movement.
‘They are not for the preservation of the white race, which means they are
in
line with government policy. They’re actually traitors to the white race;
they seek to integrate with blacks, Jews and others…I think they are a
government-sponsored movement, maybe the CIA…A lot of people are white
on
the outside but black on the inside with a Jewish brain.'” and

Whereas, the Fourth Estate– our traditional media of newspapers and
magazines (now joined by television news organizations) which were charged
by
the Founding Fathers as the watchdogs of liberty, have been unusually
silent
(through sloth or bias) on the brewing scandals of the Clinton
Administration, of which the Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy is but the
most
egregious example; and

Whereas members of the present Congress have submitted a resolution
purporting to convey “the sense of Congress” that shows no distinction
between the Nazi terrorists and the Constitutional militia movement and
calls
for more repressive legislation to disarm Americans and further proscribe
their fundamental, God-given and Constitutionally-guaranteed liberties;
and

Whereas, the Republican majority in both the House of Representatives and
the
Senate have shown themselves unable to resist the blandishments of an
unscrupulous President (bolstered by a lap-dog press) and have concurred
in
the passage of fundamentally anti-freedom legislation whose stated purpose
is
“counter-terrorism” but whose main effect will be to strip innocent
Americans
of their Constitutional liberties (especially those codified in the
amendments known as the “Bill of Rights”), and to enlarge the powers of
the
already ominously powerful federal police agencies; and

Whereas, the probable outcome of present trends is a Clinton re-election,
which will likely be followed by an increasing point-counterpoint of
terror
incidents provoking government repressions, “ad infinitum, ad tyrannum”;
and
that this probable downward spiral of violence, unless arrested by the
common
efforts of all citizens, will lead to the death of our Republic.

THEREFORE, BY THE UNDERSIGNED CONSTITUTIONAL MILITIA ORGANIZATIONS,
OFFICERS,
NCOs AND CONSTITUTION-LOVING CITIZENS, BE IT RESOLVED THAT:

1. We will oppose terrorism by every legal means wherever we find it:
within, without or hiding behind the current federal administration.

2. As the current reign of terror has not been curtailed by federal or
state
law enforcement, and as the present crop of terrorists (who can be
demonstrated to be hiding behind the inaction of the current federal
administration, as in the Oklahoma City bombing investigation) continue to
walk the streets unquestioned and unsought, we pledge to: a.) petition
such
local and state
authorities having jurisdiction to bring these known malefactors before
recognized grand juries; b.) assist state and local authorities in
bringing
suspected criminals before the bar of justice; and c.) shelter any
witnesses who wish to testify against such terrorists but who cannot
without
great risk to themselves or their families.

3. We do hereby petition the Republican majority in the House and Senate,
especially the Senate Judiciary Committee chaired by Senator Orrin Hatch,
as
well as Senator Spector’s subcommittee, to begin open hearings on the
Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy, it’s probable coverup by the Clinton
Administration, and the true nature of the oppositional dynamics between
the
Constitutional militias and the white supremacist terrorists.

4. We call on all members of the Fourth Estate to investigate the facts
uncovered by the Wilburn private investigation of the Oklahoma City
bombing
and to print the truth as they find it, despite the pressure being brought
to
bear by the White House and the Justice Department to spike the story.

5. As Americans, we have sworn an oath to preserve, protect and defend
the
Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies foreign and
domestic.
Terrorists who murder innocent Americans are surely ranked among such
enemies. As the neo-Nazi terrorists have reminded us of their
“Declaration
of War” against all those with whom they disagree (even to the killing of
innocent children), we swear that we will fight such terrorists by every
legal means.

Signatures:

Michael B. Vanderboegh, Bvt. Col., 1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment,
Constitutional Militia, et al.

If you wish to sign on to the cover letter of the record copy to be sent
to
Senator Hatch, please contact 1ACR at (205) 681-0324 (phone); (205)
320-4540
(pager); or email to [email protected], or mail to P.O. Box 926, Pinson, AL
35126. Nom d’guerres are accepted, as long as they represent a real
person.
Please be sure to include the name of your unit, community, state, as you
wish it to appear. No record will be kept of addresses, phone or fax
numbers
transmitting.

If you wish to sign on to the declaration, you may do so by simply signing
it
and sending a copy directly on to Senator Hatch at the Senate Judiciary
Committee. We would appreciate it if you would send us a copy (by one of
the
means above) so we can add your name to the record copy.

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Attached please find the Alabama Declaration, the cover letter to Sen.
Orrin Hatch and instructions on how you may still sign onto it at the
very end.

PRESS RELEASE 13 September 1996

From: 1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment, Constitutional Militia.

A comprehensive statement of principle on domestic terrorism was
released today by a coalition of constitutional militia groups from all
across the country. Signatures were still pouring in via fax, mail and
email and will be included in the final for-the-record document that
will be forwarded to the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee,
Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch.

The statement, entitled “The Alabama Declaration” after the residence of
its authors and initial signatories, seeks to make plain the opposition
of the constitutional militias to domestic terroism, provides details
some of the known domestic terrorists from the racist fringe, and
petitions Senator Hatch to open hearings on the subject of domestic
terrorism and the militias.

Attached you will find a copy of the cover letter to Sen. Hatch, as well
as the Declaration. Members of the press are directed to Mike
Vanderboegh, 1 ACR, as contact person who can provide both local and
national spokesmen and women for expanatory interviews. The cover
letter to Senator Hatch will not be for release until 12:00 P.M.EDT, 13
September 1996. The Declaration is quotable now. Members of the press
who have already received copies of the declaration are cautioned that
the wording has been subtly changed in a few areas. Please quote from
this final version of the document.

You may contact Mike Vanderboegh via pager (205) 320-4540 or fax (205)
320-2431 after Noon, EDT today.

In a related development, members of the 51st Missouri Militia will be
picketing a Ku Klux Klan and Aryan Nations get-together at Lone Jack,
Missouri, Saturday morning, 14 September 1996. Copies of the 51st
Missouri press release and other contact numbers are available from 1
ACR.

Cover Letter to Sen. Orrin Hatch regarding the Alabama Declaration:

11 September 1996

The Honorable Orrin Hatch
United States Senate
Russell Building, Room 135
1st & C Streets
Washington, D.C.

Dear Senator Hatch,

Attached please find a true copy of “The Alabama Declaration”, a
comprehensive statement of principle on domestic terrorism by the
constitutional militias of the United States. Since the Oklahoma City
bombing, so-called militia “experts” have been doing their best to tar
our movement with the broad brush of terrorism and racism, equating us
with the Ku Klux Klan and the neo-Nazi Aryan Nations among others. A
particularly egregious practicioner of this neo-McCarthyism is Morris
Dees of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Alabama, who has
been raising millions of dollars from frightened donors by direct mail
solicitations emblazoned with large red letters: “Militia Terrorist
Update.” His own hometown newspaper, the Montgomery Advertiser, has
accused Dees of exploiting the Oklahoma City bombing tragedy by
“Marketing the Militias.”

We would not begrudge Mr. Dees his fundraising dollars if his statements
bore any sort of relation to the truth, at least insofar as they relate
to the constitutional militia movement. Unfortunately in the fevered
atmosphere following the Oklahoma City bombing, his inaccurate
statements were passed along to the public by uninformed news outlets as
the “gospel truth” and they inflamed an already volatile situation. It
was to be expected that laws made under such circumstances of
semi-hysteria would be imperfect and threatening to the liberties of
innocent American citizens whose only “crime” was belonging to a
“suspect” group or class whose opinions were not “politically correct.”
Such we believe was the case with the original “Terror Bill”, and such
we believe to be the case today with the legislation proposed by the
Clinton Administration in the wake of the downing of TWA Flight 800 and
the Olympic bombing in Atlanta.

It is perhaps the height of irony that it was members of the Tri-States
Militia of South Dakota who saved Mr. Dees from being targeted by a bomb
crafted by a self-proclaimed “prophet” from Oklahoma named Willie Ray
Lampley. We believe that the Lampley case is but one example of the
truly anti-terrorist nature of the constitutional militia movement. In
fact, we have nothing in common with terrorists, neo-Nazis or racist
killers. We wish to make our position plain with this declaration, and
we think it vital that the nation understands the true nature of
domestic terrorism and terrorists BEFORE more “anti-terrorism”
legislation is passed that will serve to further limit the traditional
and natural liberties of Americans as codified in the Constitution and
its Bill of Rights. We ask that hearings be held by the Senate
Judiciary Committee to explore the relationship between the real
domestic terrorists and the militias who oppose them. As citizens who
have been long-slandered as “militia terrorists”, we have been forced to
make an in-depth study of the true nature of the real terrorists. We
ask for the opportunity to correct the record, so that any further
“anti-terrorism” action by the Congress may be guided by facts and not
fear. Failing such hearings, the attached “Alabama Declaration” will
document our principles on this subject for posterity.

Long before the Declaration of Independence, Benjamin Franklin warned
that “those who give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Today, we are on the brink
of trading many more of our liberties for non-existent safety than Mr.
Franklin ever considered. “Terrorism” is the new bogeyman, and
ever-increasing federal power and surrender of civil liberties is being
marketed as the cure. We believe with Ben Franklin that the country and
its citizens cannot be made safe by such a trade-off. Hearings that
explore the exact nature of domestic terrorism, its proponents and
opponents, would demonstrate this. We await your reply with great
interest.

Sincerely,

Michael Vanderboegh, Bvt. Col.,1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment, Militia.
Col. John Hassey, Alabama Constitutional Militia.
Charli & Bill Gribble, Gadsden Minutemen, Alabama.
Lance R. Crowe and Lance R. Crowe II, Southern Kentucky Citizens Militia
Col. Wayne Yowell, 1st Kansas Militia.
Col. Robert Wright, 1st Brigade, New Mexico Constitutional Militia.
Col. Jim Strode, Commander, New Mexico Militia.
Col. Nick Johnson, New Mexico Constitutional Volunteers.
Col. Ray Smith, Texas Constitutional Militia.
Stan Wilson, Thomas D. Fey and David Costello, 4th Brigade, Indiana
Militia.
Rick Kann, East Coast Command Unit, Constitutional Militia of Florida.
Del Wasso and Larry Vandewalle, Northern Illinois Militia.
Robert Ireland, Constitutional militia supporter and activist, Mendocino
County, Northern California.
Gen. Terry Hicks, South Carolina Civilian Militia.
Richard Howard King, VOTERS Militia, Lubbock County, Lubbock, Texas.
Arlin Adams, citizen, Northern Virginia.

Attached: The Alabama Declaration.

************************************************************************************************************

“THE ALABAMA DECLARATION”: CONSTITUTIONAL MILITIAS CONDEMN TERRORISM AND
ALL TERRORISTS.

Whereas, a long string of terrorist incidents from Oklahoma City to the
Atlanta Olympics have been blamed (without one shred of proof) on the
constitutional militias by the current federal administration and its
willing
lapdogs in the press; and

Whereas, agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Federal
Bureau of Investigation and the U.S. Marshals Service have engaged in
what
are arguably “terrorist” operations against the American people at Ruby
Ridge, Idaho, Waco, Texas, and other diverse places without punishment
or
meaningful condemnation by their superiors, the Congress or the courts;
and

Whereas, the bulk of the constitutional militias of the various United
States
have formed as a grass-roots response to such government-sponsored
terrorism
as well as the continued degradation of our Constitutional rights at the
hands
of the current federal administration; and

Whereas, agents of the ATF and FBI have engaged in unconstitutional
entrapment under the guise of so-called “sting” operations such as that
against Bob Starr, a militia leader in Georgia, where ATF “confidential
informants” provided the explosives and buried pipe bombs on Starr’s
property
without his knowledge or approval, a “crime” for which Bob Starr
languishes
in jail without bond, in vain attempts to tie the constitutional militia
movement to “terrorist” bomb plots; and

Whereas, the Wilburn private investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing
has
revealed that:
** That incident, which involved the mass murder of at least 168
innocent
Americans, was the result of just such an ATF sting operation gone bad;
and
** That the ATF (certainly) and the FBI (possibly) had advance knowledge
of
the bomb plot through the ATF-paid informant and German ex-army officer
Andreas Carl Strassmeir; and
** That the probable bombers, assisted by Timothy McVeigh and Terry
Nichols,
were a mixed bag of neo-Nazis and self-described “Christian Identity”
racists and
anti-semites from Elohim City, Oklahoma, who hope to ignite a civil war
that will destroy the American Republic thus giving way to a Nazi
American Reich; and
** That the ATF, FBI and elements of the Clinton Administration Justice
Department (especially the Oklahoma City prosecutorial team members,
past and
present), have engaged in a coverup of the identity of “John Doe #2”,
Michael Brescia,
Andreas Strassmeir’s roommate at Elohim City, thus actively seeking to
prevent the exposure to the American people of the government’s prior
knowledge of the conspiracy; and
** That the murders of Arkansas gundealer Bill Mueller and his family as
well
as the string of bank robberies committed by the “Aryan Republican Army”
have
links to Michael Brescia and the Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy–
facts
which the FBI investigators have refused to reveal or pursue, apparently
in
furtherance of the OKC coverup; and

Whereas, in the Oklahoma City bombing and other operations, elements of
various racist, Nazi and antisemitic groups (including Aryan Nations,
White
Aryan Resistance, the Army of Israel, the National Alliance, adherents
of Louis Beam, and self-described “Christian Identity” Phineas
Priesthood cells), have shown themselves to be willing terrorist
footsoldiers of the advocates of government repression; and
** That the Turner Diaries predict Nazi terrorists winning an American
civil
war that they initiate by provoking government repression of American
gunowners; and
** That Bob Mathews, neo-Nazi “martyr” and founder of Der Buders
Schweigen (The Silent Brotherhood, aka “The Order”) issued a
“Declaration of
War” against the so-called Zionist Occupied Government, Jewish, black,
Hispanic and Asian Americans and white “race traitors” who didn’t agree
with
white supremacist goals and tactics; and
** That as recently as 3 August 1996, Dennis Mahon of the White Aryan
Resistance (a suspect in the Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy)
proclaimed on
a national radio broadcast that: “that Declaration of War has never been
rescinded.”; and
** That the fortunes of the current federal administration have risen,
begininning with the Oklahoma City bombing, in direct proportion to the
number and severity of terrorist incidents; that now, after Dharan, TWA
800
and Atlanta, Clinton stands at his highest ratings in the polls and
seems to
be likely to win reelection; and
** That this resurgence of Clinton is celebrated in the neo-Nazi halls
inhabited by William Pierce, Louis Beam and Richard Butler because they
see
in it the fulfillment of the Turner Diaries’ scenario; and
** That while racist and antisemites may spout their hatred by every
legal means, and may
hide even incitement to murder behind our Constitutional shield, they
may not
kill with impunity their innocent fellow citizens (even small children)
and
call it “patriotism” and

Whereas, while the white supremacists and the Clinton Administration may
find
common purpose in the exploitation of terrorism, the American
Constitutional
militia movement spontaneously mustered to combat terrorism from
wherever it
may appear– an out-of-control federal bureaucracy or slimy purveyors of
hatred who coldly use mass murder as a tool to destroy our Republic; and

Whereas, when the white supremacists have attempted to infiltrate the
constitutional militia movement they have been singularly unsuccessful;
and
** That while the constitutional militia movement defends the Nazis’
right to
hold whatever opinions they wish about other races and religions, we
wish to
make it plain that we do not hold such opinions, nor do we condone
discrimination and violent acts against others because of their faith or
color of their skin; and
** That the “Christian Identity” movement is comprised of a broad
spectrum of
adherents and beliefs, and that only a small minority engage in, or
condone,
terrorism; and
** That the ranks of the constitutional militas are filled with men and
women
of all races, creeds, colors and religions; and
** That we condemn racism and bigotry as antithetical to our belief that
all
are “created equal” as Thomas Jefferson wrote, and are entitled to equal
protection under the law; and
** That, when they are not trying to infiltrate us, the white
supremacists’
private opinions of the Constitutional militia movement is one of hatred
and
disdain, as journalist Jonathan Karl quoted “Pastor” Richard Butler of
the
Aryan Nations: “Richard Butler says he also hates the militia movement.
‘They are not for the preservation of the white race, which means they
are in
line with government policy. They’re actually traitors to the white
race;
they seek to integrate with blacks, Jews and others…I think they are a
government-sponsored movement, maybe the CIA…A lot of people are white
on
the outside but black on the inside with a Jewish brain.'” and

Whereas, the Fourth Estate– our traditional media of newspapers and
magazines (now joined by television news organizations) which were
charged by
the Founding Fathers as the watchdogs of liberty, have been unusually
silent
(through sloth or bias) on the brewing scandals of the Clinton
Administration, of which the Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy is but the
most
egregious example; and

Whereas members of the present Congress have submitted a resolution
purporting to convey “the sense of Congress” that shows no distinction
between the Nazi terrorists and the Constitutional militia movement and
calls
for more repressive legislation to disarm Americans and further
proscribe
their fundamental, God-given and Constitutionally-guaranteed liberties;
and

Whereas, the Republican majority in both the House of Representatives
and the
Senate have shown themselves unable to resist the blandishments of an
unscrupulous President (bolstered by a lap-dog press) and have concurred
in
the passage of fundamentally anti-freedom legislation whose stated
purpose is
“counter-terrorism” but whose main effect will be to strip innocent
Americans
of their Constitutional liberties (especially those codified in the
amendments known as the “Bill of Rights”), and to enlarge the powers of
the
already ominously powerful federal police agencies; and

Whereas, the probable outcome of present trends is a Clinton
re-election,
which will likely be followed by an increasing point-counterpoint of
terror
incidents provoking government repressions, “ad infinitum, ad tyrannum”;
and
that this probable downward spiral of violence, unless arrested by the
common
efforts of all citizens, will lead to the death of our Republic.

THEREFORE, BY THE UNDERSIGNED CONSTITUTIONAL MILITIA ORGANIZATIONS,
OFFICERS, NCOs AND CONSTITUTION-LOVING CITIZENS, BE IT RESOLVED THAT:

1. We will oppose terrorism by every legal means wherever we find it:
within, without or hiding behind the current federal administration.

2. As the current reign of terror has not been curtailed by federal or
state
law enforcement, and as the present crop of terrorists (who can be
demonstrated to be hiding behind the inaction of the current federal
administration, as in the Oklahoma City bombing investigation) continue
to
walk the streets unquestioned and unsought, we pledge to: a.) petition
such
local and state authorities having jurisdiction to bring these known
malefactors before
recognized grand juries; b.) assist state and local authorities in
bringing
suspected criminals before the bar of justice; and c.) shelter any
witnesses who wish to testify against such terrorists but who cannot
without
great risk to themselves or their families.

3. We do hereby petition the Republican majority in the House and
Senate,
especially the Senate Judiciary Committee chaired by Senator Orrin
Hatch, as
well as Senator Spector’s subcommittee, to begin open hearings on the
Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy, it’s probable coverup by the Clinton
Administration, and the true nature of the oppositional dynamics between
the
Constitutional militias and the white supremacist terrorists.

4. We call on all members of the Fourth Estate to investigate the
facts
uncovered by the Wilburn private investigation of the Oklahoma City
bombing
and to print the truth as they find it, despite the pressure being
brought to
bear by the White House and the Justice Department to spike the story.

5. As Americans, we have sworn an oath to preserve, protect and defend
the
Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies foreign and
domestic.
Terrorists who murder innocent Americans are surely ranked among such
enemies. As the neo-Nazi terrorists have reminded us of their
“Declaration
of War” against all those with whom they disagree (even to the killing
of
innocent children), we swear that we will fight such terrorists by every
legal means.

Signatures: (Representative sample of those received so far. Many,
many more arrived too late for this copy of the declaration but will be
on final record copy.)

ALABAMA
*Col. John Hassey, Alabama Constitutional Militia.
*Mike Vanderboegh, Bvt. Col., 1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment,
Constitutional Militia.
*Major Smith, XO, 1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment, Constitutional Militia.
*Lt. Jones, 1st Alabama Cavalry Regiment, Constitutional Militia, HQ
Company.
*”George Mason.”
*Charli and Bill Gribble, Gadsden Minutemen.
*Sons of Liberty, Southern Command.
*Sons of Liberty, Birmingham.
*Sons of Liberty, Huntsville.
*Sons of Liberty, Decatur.
*Sons of Liberty, Montgomery.
*Sons of Liberty, Dothan.
*Sons of Liberty, Mobile.
*Sons of Liberty, Tuscumbia/Florence.
*Peter Salem Sniper Platoon, Birmingham.
*Dogtown Ranger Platoon (Psyops).

CALIFORNIA
*Robert Ireland, Constitutional Militia Supporter and Activist,
Mendocino County, Northern California.
*Alan Russell, Acting Chairman, Ojai Jural Society/Militia, Oakview,
California Republic.

FLORIDA
*Rick Kann, East Coast Command Unit, Constitutional Militia of Florida.
*Sons of Liberty, Pensacola.
*Sons of Liberty, Panama City.

GEORGIA
*Sons of Liberty, Atlanta.
*Sons of Liberty, Macon.
*Sons of Liberty, Savannah.
*Free State of Nickajack Militia.

ILLINOIS
*Del Wasso, Commander, Northern Illinois Minutemen.
*Larry Vandewalle, Public Information Officer, Northern Illinois
Minutemen.
*John Drinkard, Sons of Liberty, Midwest Command.
*The Normal Light Infantry Regiment (all officers and NCOs).
*Sons of Liberty, Chicago.
*Sons of Liberty, Springfield.
*Sons of Liberty, Waukegon.
*Sons of Liberty, Urbana.
*Sons of Liberty, Moline.

INDIANA
*Sons of Liberty, Indianapolis.
*Sons of Liberty, Evansville.
*Sons of Liberty, South Bend.
*Stan Wilson, Regimental Commander, 4th Brigade, Hancock County.
*David Costello, Commander, 4th Brigade, Delaware County.
*Paul Ziaz, Captain, 4th Brigade, Marion County.
*Rick Earnest, Captain, 4th Brigade, Marion County.
*Gary Porter, 4th Brigade, Hancock County.
*R. Bowling, 4th Brigade, Delaware County.
*V. Bowling, 4th Brigade, Delaware County.
*Thomas D. Fey, Brigade Commander, 4th Brigade, Marion County.
*Chris Bernatti, 1st Lieutenant, 4th Brigade, Delaware County.
*Ron Thomas, 4th Brigade, Henry County.
*D. Adams, Capt., 5th Brigade, Brown County.
*S. Wilson, 4th Brigade, Marion County.
*Wayne B., 4th Brigade, Marion County.
*Joan B., 4th Brigade, Marion County.

KANSAS
*Col. Wayne Yowell, 1st Kansas Militia.

KENTUCKY
*Lance R. Crowe, Public Information Officer,Southern Kentucky Citizens
Militia.
*Lance R. Crowe II, Southern Kentucky Citizens Militia.
*Robert D. Baker.
*Sons of Liberty, Henderson.
*Sons of Liberty, Frankfort.

LOUISIANA
*Sons of Liberty, Baton Rouge.

MISSISSIPPI
*Sons of Liberty, Jackson.
*Tishomingo Rangers, Mississippi State Militia.
*Sons of Liberty, Corinth.

NEW JERSEY
*Ken Bliss, New Jersey Militia.

NEW MEXICO
*Col. Bob Wright, 1st Brigade, New Mexico Militia.
*Col. Strode, Commander, New Mexico Militia.
*Col. Nick Johnson, Commander, New Mexico Constitutional Volunteers, 1st
Ranger Detachment, 191st Psychological Warfare Battalion.

NORTH CAROLINA
*Sons of Liberty, Raleigh-Durham.

OHIO
*Sons of Liberty, Columbus.
*Sons of Liberty, Cincinnati.
*Sons of Liberty, Cleveland.
*Sons of Liberty, Marion.
*Sons of Liberty, Mansfield.
*Sons of Liberty, Portsmouth.
*Sons of Liberty, Bowling Green.
*Sons of Liberty, Zanesville.

OREGON
*Bill Vonbrandt, Guardian, Rednet One, Pacific Northwest.

SOUTH CAROLINA
*Gen. Terry Hicks, State Commander, South Carolina Civilian Militia.

TENNESSEE
*Sons of Liberty, Memphis.
*Sons of Liberty, Nashville.
*Sons of Liberty, Chattanooga.
*Sons of Liberty, Knoxville.
*Sons of Liberty, Jackson.
*Sons of Liberty, Columbia.
*West Tennessee Light Infantry Regiment, Tennessee Constitutional
Militia.

TEXAS
*Richard Howard King, VOTERS Militia, Lubbock County, Lubbock, Texas.
*Bill Utterback, Volunteer, Comal County Unit, Texas Constitutional
Militia, Past Commander, Southern Region, Texas Constitutional Militia.
*Ann Utterback, Volunteer, Comal County Unit, Texas Constitutional
Militia, Past Commander, Comal County Unit, Texas Constitutional
Militia.
*”Patrick Henry.”
*Col. Ray Smith, Texas Constitutional Militia.

VIRGINIA
*Arlin Adams.
*Sons of Liberty, Richmond.

NO STATE LISTED
*Thom Slape.
*North444.
*Thomas Mick, 10 USC 301.

NOTE TO OTHER PROSPECTIVE SIGNERS OF THE “ALABAMA DECLARATION”

Time constraints and technical difficulties were but two of the
obstacles encountered in the circulation of this Declaration. The
“unorganized militia” is at present, well, unorganized. It may take a
couple of weeks for this declaration to filter down to all the ranks,
and out into the hinterlands.

If you wish to sign on to the record copy to be sent to Senator Hatch,
after the 11 September 96 cutoff, please contact Mike Vanderboegh at
(205) 681-0324 (phone); (205) 320-4540 (pager); or email to
[email protected], or mail to P.O. Box 926, Pinson, AL 35126. Nom
d’guerres are accepted, as long as they represent a real person. Please
be sure to include the name of your unit, community, state, as you wish
it to appear. No record will be kept of addresses, phone or fax
numbers.

Simply send a message, a short letter or note, saying “I endorse The
Alabama Declaration,” sign it and send one copy to Senator Hatch’s Salt
Lake City Office, Attn: Ron Madson, 125 So. State 8402 Federal Building,
Salt Lake City, UT 84138 (Phone: 801-524-4380) . Mr. Madson will
forward it on to the Senator and the staff at the Senate Judiciary
Committee. We would appreciate it if you would send us a copy (by one
of the means above) so we can add your name to the record copy.
Deadline for receipt of your endorsement in order to make it onto the
record copy is now 20 September.

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JOHN DOE TIMES
Vol. II, No. 1
30 September 1996

IN THIS ISSUE WE ASK THE MUSICAL QUESTION: “WHAT IS MICHAEL (JOHN DOE
#2)
BRESCIA DOING SITTING ON HIS DADDY’S FRONT PORCH IN PHILLY,
WITH ESTHER MILLAR, HIS COLDHEARTED NAZI-BITCH FILLY,
WHILE THE FBI LIES AND PLAYS WITH ITS LITTLE WILLY?
COULD IT BE THE REELECTION OF KING BILLY?”

The John Doe Times is a joint venture of the 1st Alabama Cavalry
Regiment
(Constitutional Militia), Bootleg Printing Company and the Militia
Marketing
Agency. Copy-it-right 1996. Feel free to copy this anywhere, just
quote us
correctly. Direct email responses to [email protected] Direct snail
mail and
neo-nazi letter bombs to John Doe Times, P.O.Box 926, Pinson, AL 35126.
Direct any other request for directions to the ex-Director. “Is he, or
isn’t he? Only his paymaster knows for sure.” By order of the Head
Cheese,
visitors to the Rat Trap are encouraged to call ahead for non-lethal
reservations. Sic semper rodentia. “Roll the videotape, Fred.”
“Remember,
we’re watching, and we ain’t your big brother.”

IN THIS ISSUE:

1. THE CRACKING SOUND YOU HEAR IS THE GOVERNMENT’S COVERUP FALLING
APART, THE
THUD IS ANOTHER OKC WITNESS DROPPING DEAD–

2. THE GRUNTING AND SCUFFLING YOU HEAR IS THE OKC CONSPIRATORS FALLING
OUT
AMONGST THEMSELVES—

3. WHERE WAS KIRK LYONS THE DAY THE BUILDING BLEW AND WAS THERE A
CALENDAR ON
THE TRAIL?

4. WHY IS HOLLAWAY “GONE TO TEXAS”? COULD IT BE HE GOT A ZIMMERMAN
TELEGRAM?

5. MEET MICHAEL “DON CORLEONE” BRESCIA (OR, WHAT WERE “PINKY AND THE
BRAIN”
DOING IN THAT TULSA TITTY BAR?)

But first, a note from our Editor:

Well, folks, we’ve been gone so long. Did you miss us? There’s ever so
much
to tell. Of course, as most of you know we’ve been busy with the
Alabama
Declaration this past month. A comprehensive statement by the
constitutional
militias on terrorism and terrorists, the Declaration was delivered to
Sen.
Orrin Hatch and other congresscritters last week. Morris Dees, we are
reliably told, doesn’t know whether to defecate or go sightless. We are
definitely messing with his militia=terrorist medicine show. Tom
Metzger,
Dees old nemesis, is also on record as not liking us one darn bit, too.
Metzger and Dees argeeing on something. Who’d a thunk it? What strange
bedfellows THEY make. Of course, knowing what we know about Dees sexual
predelictions courtesy of his second ex-wife, perhaps not so strange.
It’s a
cheap shot, I know, but I couldn’t resist it. I just don’t understand
how
one little old militia-feller like me could make so many enemies by just
telling the truth as I see it.

Heck, I even hear from my Philly friends that Mikey Brescia (John Doe
#2)
doesn’t like ME very much either. Go figure. Wait till the Pennsy
militia
starts putting up “Unindicted Terrorist Baby Killer” wanted posters in
his
neighborhood. Hoo, boy! He might even try to have somebody take a
whack at
me. Who knows, maybe he already has. Of course, he’s got to know that
the
FBI (and others more trustworthy) are up his wahzoo with a rectal
microscope.
He likely doesn’t fart without deafening half-a-dozen eavesdroppers.
But I
hope he does send someone. I do hope so. That’s what we designed the
Rat
Trap for in the first place. To come to you, they have to show
themselves.
Come across the floor, Mr. Rat. While we watch you, videotape you,
measure
your respirations. Come get the cheese, rodent. The only question is:
are
you a Willard or a Ben?

Well, enough movie trivia for one issue. Yes, folks, John Doe # 2 is
indeed
back in his old stomping grounds of the City of Brotherly Love, the
Liberty
Bell and Rocky. Living with his parents Mr. & Mrs. William M. Brescia
(and
his lovely Nazi-Gal-pal Esther Millar, described by one acquaintance as
“Miss
Oklahoma Nazi Ice Princess, 1995”) at 859 Manatawna Avenue,
Philadelphia, PA
19128, in case you want to write him a love letter. Be careful, now–
Esther’s reputed to be a very jealous lady (I guess she doesn’t know
about
the Kansas girls or the Oklahoma striptease joint). “Hell hath no fury
like
a woman scorned,” the Bard sez, but then again if they’re married, she
can’t
be forced to testify against him, now can she? Nor, I daresay, can he
be
compelled to testify against her. How perfectly neat. What a dowry.
Can
this be the source of their connubial bliss? If they don’t get along,
they
BOTH fry?

Arrests and rumors of arrests….Brescia, as longtime readers of “John
Doe #2
Identified, But Can we Get The FBI To Arrest Him?” know, has been
rumored to
be on the verge of arrest in the “Commander Pedro and the Lost Planet
Aryans”
bank robbery case for months now. The source of these rumors, it can
now be
told, is our dauntless FBI. If you get the idea somebody’s been lying
like
our esteemed Arkansan President, you’re right.

There are a number of lying-sacks-of-excrement at Louis Freeh’s FBI,
most of
whom are close to the Director. The FBI command echelon has been
playing a
stalling game– stalling until after the election, stalling at the
urging of
the Justice Department, stalling because they’ve been ordered to by the
White
House. They’re desperate to stop the leaks, desperate to delay the
arrest of
Brescia (which will collapse the OKC coverup by leading to Strassmeir).
They
lie to buy a day or a week, then lie again to buy another day, another
week.
In the meantime George Stephanopolous is on the line to the network
honchos
“urging caution”. There are good men in the Bureau who watch this day
in and
day out and it makes them want to puke. It should. Doubtless when
someone
finally gets around to asking them a question or two under oath, Louis
Freeh
will be faced with the prospect of arrest or Arkancide. Poor Louis.

Another OKC witness has died in mysterious circumstances. Details
below. In
fairness to the FBI (and before longtime readers jump to the conclusion
that
like the Muellers and Guthrie the FBI muffed it again), the Wilburn
investigation was ahead of the FBI curve in this area of the inquiry.
They
didn’t know about the girl long enough to have protected her, even had
they
been so inclined. J.D. Cash scooped the FBI on this one.

Of course, we have many other such scoops and headlines to go before
that
glorious day that Louis Freeh is hauled off in irons or a body bag.
Watch
for some of them this week. Yeah, for real. The horserace is about to
start. Watch who gets trampled.

— Mike Vanderboegh, horse trainer and side-bet holder.
Editor, John Doe Times & Head Cheese of the Rat Trap.
“Come into my parlor, said the militia-spider to the nazi-fly.”

EDITOR’S NOTE: THIS ISSUE OF JOHN DOE TIMES IS DEDICATED TO GLEN WILBURN
OF
OKLAHOMA CITY, WHO IS RECOVERING NICELY AFTER MAJOR SURGERY– GET WELL,
PARTNER. WE HOPE THIS ISSUE MAKES YOU SMILE.

1. THE CRACKING SOUND YOU HEAR………

One more time, from the best little newspaper in Oklahoma, a breaking
story
in the Oklahoma City bombing investigation:

McCurtain Daily Gazette, Wednesday, 25 September 1996, Page One.

IS A VIDEOTAPE FROM A TULSA TOPLESS BAR THE “SMOKING GUN” IN OKLAHOMA
CITY
BOMBING?

By J.D. Cash

A videotape recorded from a security camera mounted in the dressing room
of a
Tulsa topless bar may prove to be the “smoking gun” in the Oklahoma City
bombing — eventually establishing the identities of certain key members
of
the conspiracy, their whereabouts at a critical point in the plan, and,
most
incredibly, the cold-blooded spirit which motivated America’s worst act
of
domestic terrorism.

Obtained from “Lady Godiva’s”, the April 8, 1995 videotape reveals
stunning
conversations from dancers discussing customers in the bar that night
who
bragged of the upcoming April 19, 1995, bombing of the Murrah federal
building in Oklahoma City.

Possibly the most shocking portion of the tape occurs when one of the
dancers
walks into the dressing room at 8:37 p.m., approaches two other girls
and
begins relaying a conversation she’d just had with a customer.

The first part of the conversation is difficult to ascertain. But
eventually
the girl is clearly heard saying, “And he said, ‘I’m a very smart
man.’….’You are?’….’Yes, I am.’….’And on April 19, 1995, you’ll
remember me for the rest of your life!'”
Laughing, she says, “Oh, really?”

“Yes you will,” she says he responded.

Smiling wide, the dancer starts to walk out of the dressing room where
the
security camera was located, then turns back to the other girls and
says,
“Weirdo,” before returning out front.

Only minutes later, the same girl reappears in the dressing room. At
this
time, she strikes up a conversation with another girl, Shawn Tea, who is
combing her hair in front of a mirror. “You know those guys I’m sitting
out
there with? Well, one of them says he’s looking for a girl to fool
around
with tonight. Are you interested?”

Replies Shawn tea: “Oh, I can’t do that stuff all weekend.” After
discussing
money, Shawn Tea says, “Well, OK, I’ll figure out a way to scam ’em.

Shortly after reveiwing the tape last Thursday afternoon, the Gazette
began
interveiwing various witnesses who were in the club the night of April
8,
1995. Using a photo spread of more than a dozen different individuals,
positive identification of two men have been made so far.

But since one of the witnesses, Shawn Tea Farrens, 23, was found dead in
her
apartment the same afternoon this newspaper began its investigation, the
GAZETTE has elected not to release the names of the remaining
witnesses– or
the photos they have identified— until federal and state law
enforcement
authorities receive a copy of the video and have had an opportunity to
proceed with their investigation.

Shawn Tea Farrens was believed to be alone at the time of her death, and
authorities are still investigating what they speculate may be a
drug-related
overdose or suicide.

Significantly, a member of the security force at “Lady Godiva’s”
reported a
yellow moving van was parked outside the topless dance club the night of
April 8, 1995. The description provided by the security man matches
those of
witnesses in Oklahoma and Kansas who said there was a second truck used
in
the conspiracy. The second truck did not have Ryder identification but
was
apparently once a rental truck that had been sold to a private buyer,
witnesses said.

As the GAZETTE has previously reported, this truck is believed by many
to
have been used to haul ingredients for the bomb that were later
transferred
to a 1993 Ryder rental truck that the government alleges was rented by
indicted bomb conspirator Timothy McVeigh. As this newspaper also
reported
earlier, witnesses describe seeing men working in the cargo hold of an
older
faded yellow truck at geary Lake, Kansas, on April 10-12, 1995.

Federal prosecutors, though, told the Oklahoma City federal grand jurors
who
indicted McVeigh and Terry Nichols that the bomb was not built at Geary
Lake
until the morning of April 18, 1995. The government also contends that
Timothy McVeigh rented the Ryder truck used in the Oklahoma City bombing
at
Junction City, Kansas, on the afternoon of April 17, 1995.

The GAZETTE had learned earlier that there was never ANY evidence
presented
to the federal grand jury about the existence of a second truck. But
several
witnesses quoted in previous GAZETTE stories had clear recollections
that
McVeigh was seen with an older faded yellow moving van at the Dreamland
Motel
in Junction City, Kansas, on April 15-16, 1995.

Since motel records indicate that McVeigh did not check into the
Dreamland
until April 14, confusion over witnesses who reported seeing a truck at
Geary
Lake on April 10-12 have caused many to dismiss their reports— and
thus,
the whole second truck theory.

If, however, it is established that McVeigh and others were in Tulsa on
April
8, 1995, with such a truck, then it may have significance: Authorities
may
be able to establish important new links in the conspiracy through
registration records of similar trucks in the eastern Oklahoma area.

It is undisputed that indicted co-conspirator Terry Nichols left for
Michigan
on April 5, 1995, and did not return to Herington, Kansas until April
10.
And, according to motel registration and telephone records linked to
McVeigh, he checked into a Kingman, Arizona motel on April 5 and paid
for a
room through April 12. For that reason, it has been assumed that
McVeigh
stayed in the Kingman area for the entire period.

But closer examination of the telephone calls made from his motel room
indicate a clear pattern– steady phone activity until April 7, when
they
cease, not resuming until noon on April 11. Such a gap in the telephone
calls could mean McVeigh flew from the Kingman area to eastern Oklahoma
or
western Arkansas for the purpose of picking up the second truck truck.
Only
two days later, witness statements indicate the truck showing up at
geary
Lake in Kansas.

Thus, McVeigh may have boarded a flight back to Arizona after delivering
the
truck to the Kansas location where, authorities say, soil samples at the
lake
indicate the ingredients for the bomb were mixed.

It is not merely idle speculation that McVeigh flew to eastern Oklahoma
or
western Arkansas to pick up the second truck. Records subpeonad by the
government indicate McVeigh may have made suc a trip to Fort Smith,
Ark.,
between March 31 and April 14, 1995. Curiously, an employee of the
airport
taxi service in Fort Smith could not elaborate on why the taxi firm’s
records
for that period were seized by federal agents working on what the
government
calls the “OKBOMB” case.

Worth noting is a telephone call widely reported to have been made by
McVeigh
on April 5, 1995, from Kingman, Arizona to Elohim City in eastern
Oklahoma.
Elohim City, a white separatist compound that has received widespread
publicity because of possible links to the bombing, sprawls over some
1,000
acres near the Oklahoma-Arkansas border– just a few miles from Fort
Smith,
Arkansas.

According to residents at the retreat, McVeigh left a message when he
called
on April 5, 1995, saying he’d be visiting soon. Residents deny, though,
that
McVeigh ever actually visited Elohim City.

END OF McCURTAIN DAILY GAZETTE STORY.
My comments at the end of this newsletter, under the heading Meet
Michael
“Don Corleone” Brescia….

2. The Grunting and Scuffling You Hear….

The press is full of stories about how the Nichols and McVeigh defense
teams
(and their respective clients) have squared off in a “He did it..No, HE
did
it” oppositional mode. While interesting, it likely will not have as
much
impact as the story most of you didn’t read, in the Tulsa World,
Tuesday, 24
September 1996—-

McVEIGH SEEKS TULSAN’S FILES

By Julie DelCour, World Staff Writer

Information about a Tulsan once associated with the Ku Klux Klan heads a
list
of subpeonaed material sought by bombing defendant Timothy McVeigh from
the
Central Intelligence Agency and 61 other agencies.

Bombing prosecutors are fighting to block the subpeonas. In court
papers
released Monday, chief bombing prosecutor Joseph Hartzler said that the
defense already has sought identical information from prosecutors
through the
regular discovery process. He said there is no reason individual
agencies
should comply.

****************************************************
Transcriber’s Note: Oh, I don’t know. Maybe the Jones team has heard
about
White House documents being turned over (in different versions) to the
Congress and the Washington Times. Ooops! Just maybe they want to see
if
the two versions match. Schmart, veddy, veddy schmart.
*****************************************************

The September 6 subpeonas request all investigative files on Tulsan
Dennis
Mahon, “including any report or incident that he has been involved or
may
have been involved in the planning or conspiring of violent acts against
U.S.
property, employees or citizens.”

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Transcriber’s Note: What!! Little Timmy McVeigh is trying to throw it
back
on Dennis Mahon after all the nice things Megalomaniacal Mahon has said
about
Timmy? As in, during a recent shortwave radio show: “If we had a
hundred Tim
McVeighs, the white people of this country would have their freedom by
now…” and….”the army lost a good man when it lost you, Tim.”
Dennis
didn’t say WHICH army, exactly….
*********************************************************

They also seek travel records of Mahon indicating that he has been to
france,
Germany, Great Britain or Canada. Mahon– a former KKK leader—

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Transcriber’s Note: And the guy that Kirk Lyons had such nice things to
say
about in his Volkstrue interview….
************************************************************

–repeatedly has told the Tulsa World that he had no involvement in the
bombing.

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Transcriber’s note: Oh. of course not. Who’d ever suspect Dennis?
**************************************************************

He said he has visited Germany and Canada but has not visited Great
Britain.
Mahon also said he was friends with Andreas Strassmeir, a former
resident of
Elohim City, a white separatist community near Muldrow.

The subpeonas seek information on Strassmeir relating to “so-called
neo’Nazi
activities.”

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Transcriber’s Note: Boy, Timmy sure is dissing his old “boyz in the
hoods.”
Hell, he’s a member in good standing of the “New Order”, as they are
said to
be calling the reincarnation of Der Bruder’s Schweigen (“New Order”?
Well,
nobody ever said these yerks were original). Mikey Brescia is another
member
of the “New Order.” And now Timmy, who’s held it all in silence for so
long,
starts calling them “so-called neo-Nazis”? Betcha their gettin’ a
little
nervous about Timmy rolling over on ’em.
***********************************************************

According to phone records, McVeigh attempted to call Elohim City about
two
weeks before the bombing. Strassmeir has said he met McVeigh at a Tulsa
gun
show more than a year before the bombing and gave him a card with his
Elohim
City phone number.

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Transcriber’s Note: Sure, and I’m sure the conversation went something
like
this: “Ring-Ring–”
AS: “Hallo?” TM: “Hey, Andy, this is Tim, Tim McVeigh. Listen you
don’t
know me from Adam’s off-ox but I met you at a gun show about a year ago
and I
just found your card.” AS: “Yeah?” TM: “Yeah, and what I was thinking
was
how about I fly into Fort Smith and you and your buddy Mike Brescia meet
me
at the airport in a used yellow rental van, and then we’ll drive up to
Tulsa
and party at this titty bar I know, and I’ll brag all about how I’m
going to
be famous on April 19th and me and you and Mikey can let the girls and
the
bouncers get a real good look at us? And after that, you guys can let
me
borrow your truck and I’ll drive it back to Kansas, where I’ll pack it
full
of explosives and then drive it down to Oklahoma City and blow up a
bunch of
civilian federal employees and children?” AS: “I dunno, let me check
with
Mike.” Pauses, hand over the phone, muffled conversation, AS: “Yeah,
sure,
Mike says it sounds like a great party.” TM: “Wow! Great! Listen I’ll
be
calling you from the airport, OK? And one more thing……” AS:
Breaks in.
“Hey, uh Tim, was it? Yeah, Tim, look I’ve gotta make another call,
OK?
Sort of official business. Let me know when you get in.” TM: “Uh,
yeah,
OK, sure will….” AS: “Say goodbye, Tim.” TM: “Goodbye, Tim.”
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Mahon says he does not know McVeigh or bombing codefendant Terry
Nichols.
U.S. Disrict Judge Richard Matsch will hold a hearing for Oct. 2-4 on
discovery disputes…………..(more article, but you’ve got the gist.)

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Transcriber Continues…..

“The key thing to surviving a federal rap for anything is to be the
first one
on your block to rat out the others, and deal them out. Then you walk,
they’re in, and then you run so their friends don’t catch you.” — An
old
ex-con I met, c. 1976.

Gee, I wonder if this has occurred to Thomas, Mahon, Brescia? My bet is
that
Brescia, smart SOB that he is, will be the first “capo” to roll on the
others. Everybody tells me he’s a flipping genius, maybe he’ll prove it
by
rolling. Then again, maybe Thomas already beat him to it.

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3. Where was Kirk Lyons the day the Building Blew?……….

Well, according to his FBI interview he was hiking along the trail in
the
Oakmulgee Division of the Talladega National Forest, not too far from
Selma.
Said he met a couple along the way who told him about the bombing.
Yeah,
that’s right. Presumably, like his client/buddy/snitch Andy Strassmeir,
the
couple marked this chance encounter down on a trail calendar they
carried
along just for that purpose. Of course, Kirk didn’t know who they were,
and
no he didn’t know how to contact them. Did he have any witnesses? Any
receipts to prove he was there? Funny thing, the FBI didn’t think he
looked
like a hiker.

4. “Gone To Texas…..”

Back after the Civil War, things got pretty tough in southern states
like
Alabama and North Carolina. When folks had enough they’d hang a sign on
their door that said “Gone to Texas” and they’d move west where times
weren’t
so harsh (or so they thought). Now we learn the CAUSE Foundation, the
Davidian-donation-paid escape vehicle for Andreas Strassmeir, has come
onto
hard times. “As is often the case when we are submerged in legal work,
fund
raising suffers. In times past we could count on The Balance (the CAUSE
newsletter, M.V.) to bring in sufficient revenue to keep us going.
Well, The
Balance went out a month ago and it still hasn’t brought in enough to
pay the
printing and postage costs. Because of our dire straights, our Editor
Dave
Hollaway has taken an engineering job in Houston and will no longer be
available on a daily basis….” opines “Brer Lyins”. THEN WHY DON’T YOU
GET
ANDY’S WELL-HEELED DADDY TO PAY YOU THE THOUSANDS IN SQUANDERED DAVIDIAN
FUNDS BACK THAT YOU USED TO GET HIS BOY OUT OF “HARM’S (I.E. THE PRESS’)
WAY”?

Of course, both Brer Hollaway and Brer Lyins came from Texas to North
Carolina in the first place. Let’s see, that was about the same time
Andy
moved in at Elohim City, wasn’t it? It was Brer Hollaway who introduced
Andy
to the Texas Light Infantry, to the undying regret of some TLI members
who
found themselves suddenly the target of ATF stings, according to J.D.
Cash’s
articles. It was Brer Hollaway who sheparded “Little Orphan Andy”
through his
January, 1996 interview with SOFs Sherrow. You know, the interview that
spooked Andy so bad, he had to get out of the country QUICK!!!!
Actually,
that was just about the time the Muellers disappeared. Hmmmm. And it
was
Brer Hollaway who played Scarecrow to “Little Orphan Andy’s” Dorothy on
his
hegira back to Der Vaterland and the waiting arms of his “estranged”
father.
Accompanied also, according to Brer Lyins, by the Lion and the Tin Man
of
GSG9, the German government’s counterterrorist unit.

Brer Hollaway, I also seem to recall, is an explosives expert of some
repute.
Is there a daycare in the Houston federal building? Or don’t they have
any
federal-dupe Nazis down there in need of technical assistance? Just a
thought.

5. Meet Michael “Don Corleone” Brescia (Or, What Were “Pinky and the
Brain”
Doing in That Tulsa Titty Bar?)

I’ve made some interesting friends recently in Philadelphia, and they’ve
provided me a whole new outlook on our elusive-only-to-the-Freeh-FBI
John Doe
#2. You might even say, I got a peek inside his “family”. This guy was
described to me as “cold-blooded”, “brilliant but dangerous” (by a
former
teacher), “a twenty-something mafia don” with “shark eyes.” His family
name
is not unknown to Philadelphia law enforcement who make it their habit
to
study what remains of La Cosa Nostra. But Brescia is no “wiseguy” in
the
classic sense. He’s running his own agenda, and earlier descriptions of
Mikey as Andy’s sidekick, while accurate, do not do him justice. When
you
look at Brescia’s picture, you may just be looking at the “mastermind”
of the
bombing. “Computer literate”, “gifted”, even “genius” said some other
acquaintances. “Charming one minute, angry the next, doesn’t raise his
voice
much though”; “Very, very scary guy,” said others. “A laughing
sociopath,”
said another. So if the OKC conspiracy had (to use the current cartoon
metaphor) a “Pinky” and a “Brain”, then who is “Pinky? And who’s “The
Brain?” What do you suppose the Brescia phone records will tell
us?

I know who the “fallen flowers” of “Lady Godiva’s” picked out of that
smorgasboard of photos. If you’re smart, you’ll have figured it out by
now,
too. I’ll bet you Michael Brescia knows. I’ll bet you Tim McVeigh
knows.
And I’ll bet you Andy Strassmeir knows too. Whether that comes as
shock to
his erstwhile lawyer and sponsor, Mr. Kirk Lyins, you’ll have to ask him
yourself. We could always ask the Ward brothers if they know. And
surely we
could ask little ole Esther Millar. If she doesn’t know, its because
Mikey
was afraid to tell her.

One thing, if she’s just now finding it out, you can be sure the FBI is
hearing the ass-chewing she’s giving Mikey– every icy syllable.

— Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR

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news will be breaking the stripper story (as mentioned in John Doe Times)
on their nightly news program either this evening or tomorrow evening. It
seems that sex not only sells with neo-nazoids, but with the mainstream
media as well.

(although one wonders if associating the likes of Brescia and company with
strippers isn’t doing a disservice to the strippers….)

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JOHN DOE TIMES
Vol. II, No. 2
3 October 1996

IN THIS ISSUE: “NO QUARTER”– THE WILBURN’S COURAGEOUS FIGHT TO FIND THE
TRUTH ABOUT OKLAHOMA CITY.

AND: THE LID IS ABOUT TO BLOW!! WATCH NBC NIGHTLY NEWS FOR THE NEXT FEW
DAYS!!

The John Doe Times is a joint venture of the 1st Alabama Cavalry
Regiment (Constitutional Militia), Bootleg Printing Company and the
Militia Marketing Agency. Copy-it-right, 1996. Feel free to copy this
anywhere, just quote us correctly. Direct email responses to
[email protected] Direct snail mail and neo-nazi letter bombs to John
Doe Times, P.O. Box 926, Pinson, AL 35126. Direct any other request
for directions to the ex-Director. “Is he, or isn’t he? Only his
paymaster knows for sure.” By order of the Head Cheese, visitors to the
Rat Trap are encouraged to call ahead for non-lethal reservations. Sic
semper rodentia. “Roll the videotape, Fred.” “Remember, we’re
watching, and we ain’t your big brother.”

BUT FIRST, A WORD FROM OUR LONG-WINDED EDITOR……

Well, folks, if you liked the J.D.Cash story in JDTII-1 about the Tulsa
striptease joint witnesses, you’re gonna love NBC Nightly News next
week!! That’s when we’ve been told the lid finally gets ripped off the
McVeigh- Strassmeir- Brescia connection on primetime teevee. And we
get the second truck thrown in for free!! The government’s case for
“Timmy as Mastermind” will be shot after this segment airs. They may
even have to explain why they paid Strassmeir and still had a building
blow up in their faces.

Speaking of the last issue, there were a number of addressees who did
not receive it, or, did not receive all of it. If that’s the case, drop
me an email to retransmit.

Glenn Wilburn is travelling a rocky road right now, but he’s still
fighting hard. Please keep him in your prayers. He’s out of ICU and
into a regular room. Cards and letters of support can be sent to Glenn
Wilburn, 3200 Winter Drive, Oklahoma City, OK 73112. Please keep the
Wilburns and Edye in your prayers.

Pray for J.D. Cash, too. He needs a ten-foot-tall guardian angel right
now. The rats are getting desperate. Of course, he’s always got his
.45, but a little confusion in the enemy camp wouldn’t hurt. Pray for
it.

We’re currently working on the Michael Brescia “UNWANTED” posters: “Have
you seen this Unindicted Terrorist Baby-Killer?” Neighborhood
distribution planned all along Manatawna Avenue. Ideas on text
welcomed.

I have been taken to task by various folks for my bad language in the
last JDT. Please understand that the much of that issue was really
addressed to Michael Brescia. It was sort of an interpersonal
communication between us that I let you folks eavesdrop upon. The
language was couched in a way he could understand it– unambiguously.
If I seemed too harsh on his ‘”gal-pal” Esther Millar, I wasn’t. Our
best information is that Esther was a part of this whole Nazi-terrorist
gig, too. Still, maybe I was too
harsh……..(thinking)………..Nawww. These people helped kill 168
of their fellow citizens, including innocent babies. I wonder if its
possible to be “too rough” in characterizing such cold-blooded monsters.

I was specifically criticized for the use of the term “Tulsa titty bar”
to refer to Lady Godiva’s. While I apologize for offending some of my
readers sensibilities, I stand by my characterization of Lady Godiva’s.
It is, after all, actually in Tulsa, and it IS a strip joint. Besides
that “Tulsa titty” was just too alliterative for me to pass up. As I
told one of my sincere critics, I am a “practicing Christian”, but I
obviously need more practice.

Also, we are working on having current surveillance photos of Mikey &
Co. scanned into gif files so we can send them around the world. More
in upcoming JDT’s.

This issue will be shortened to see if limiting the text will asist in
its prompt delivery via AO-Hell. You won’t want to miss John Doe Times,
Volume 2, No. 3, which should be coming right on the heels of this
issue. It is of particular interest to Michael Brescia, the “John Doe
Who?” the FBI doesn’t want to bust.

— Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR

“All around the mulberry bush, the monkey chased the weasel. The monkey
thought ’twas all in fun……POP! goes the weasel.”

1. “NO QUARTER”

The following article, was excerpted from American Freedom Magazine,
Vol. 1, No. 6, September, 1996. It is an edited transcript of the
American Freedom Network’s “Freedom Forum” 16 July 1996, shortwave radio
show, hosted by Don Weideman and featuring an interview by Weideman of
Glenn Wilburn. It was entitled: “NO QUARTER.” Subscriptions are $18.00
for six months, or $29.95 for a year, which you may obtain by writing to
American Freedom magazine, P.O. Box 430, Johnstown, CO 80534.

NO QUARTER….One family and a small town reporter have done more
substantial and meaningful investigation into the Oklahoma City Bombing
than all the feds and media combined.

Don Weideman (DW): We interviewed Ambrose Evans-Pritchard last week, and
he said that you’ve been digging up a lot of important information about
the Oklahoma City Bombing. Why don’t you start by telling us about how
your family was affected by it.

Glenn Wilburn (GW): We lost our grandsons Chase (3) and Colton (2)
Smith. They were my step-daughter Eyde’s sons. They were all living
with us at the time of the bombing. That morning changed our lives, and
they will never be the same again. It wasn’t long after the bombing
that we saw things that didn’t seem to fit. The first thing that I
noticed was thatthe ATF sustained few injuries and had few people in
their office that morning— that seemed very odd to me. Of course,
subsequent investigation revealed that this was due to the fact that
they absolutely had prior knowledge of the danger that day, and that
they had conducted a stake-out of the building the night before. There
were only two, maybe three people in their office that morning.

DW: After the bombing, Edye Smith made some comments on CNN that took
the nation by surprise. What were her comments?

GW: She made those comments on May 23, 1995, the day of the building
implosion, which would have been about a month after the bombing. She
was asked that morning on CNN, live with Gary Troutman, if things would
quieten now that the building was down. Of course, her response was
that things were not going to quieten down, and if anything they would
get noisier because people wanted to know exactly why the ATF wasn’t in
their offices that morning and why they had prior knowledge of the
bombing. Of course, Mr. Troutman wrapped that interview up rather
quickly. I know he was certainly a little surprised, but it wasn’t a
flippant, off-the-cuff remark. It was more than four weeks after the
bombing, and by that time we had substantial information that indicated
that the ATF did in fact have prior knowledge of the danger, and that
they had staked out the building the night before. There was substance
behind Edye’s comment.

DW: Did the BATF actually have a control person working with the actual
bombers, and did they expect the bomb to blow at 3 A.m.? Were they
going to let it go as far as they could, then rush in and stop it, and
be the big saviors?

GW: We know now that the ATF certainly had an informant working within
this bombing group. I say “bombing group” because the number of men
downtown that morning with Tim McVeigh were at least four, and probably
five in number— and that’s not including Tim. The group had a total
of six men in it that morning.

DW: Why did you have your grandchildren at that particular daycare
center?

GW: Well, Edye and my wife Kathy worked about four blocks south at the
Internal Revenue Service building. It was a state-of-the-art daycare
center, and conveniently located so they could easily walk there. It
seemed like the perfect arrangement. We certainly never had any idea
that there was any type of law enforcement agency in that building.
It’s one of the things that continues to haunt us: that after three
years of taking the boys to that building, we had no idea that the ATF,
Secret Service and Customs were on the ninth floor of that building.

DW: Is it normal for the BATF and other police organizations to have
offices in the same building as a daycare center?

GW: I wouldn’t think so. There is no doubt in my mind that if I knew
that the ATF was in that building, I would have gotten the boys out of
there. I would have never put my loved ones in an area close to the
ATF, because of the potentials that could happen. After Waco and Ruby
Ridge, there is no way that I would have left our boys in there.

DW: There was a Knight-Ridder news service article in one of the local
newspapers on July 12, and it reads, “Report Blasts Reno on Waco.” Now
they may be starting to wake up and put out some real information about
the government misconduct in Waco. Also, there was a report recently
about the so-called “Viper Militia” in Arizona, which revealed that it
was all nothing more than BATF trying to justify their own existence and
continue their funding. It wasn’t actually what the BATF claimed it to
be. It seems as if there is a trend being established, where the BATF
is simply making up things and creating a big show.

GW: They’re creating a crisis in order to substantiate their own
existence; they’re fighting for their survival. They were looked at
bery harshly in the last few months by certain members of Congress, who
pondered whether or not we really need them. Of course, most Americans
would answer that question with, “Absolutely not.” The ATF has long
outlived their need, and they’ve exhibited time and time again that
their incompetence results in the deaths of innocent Americans. Do we
need an authority to do the things that they do? Possibly so, but
certainly shouldn’t be administered by the BATF. That authority should
somehow be integrated into the FBI, with close scrutiny by some type of
oversight organization.

DW: It’s common knowledge that the World Trade Center experienced its
bombing because of an FBI sting operation that went bad. And here we
are looking at the Oklahoma City Bombing, and we can’t help but wonder
whether this is another sting operation gone bad by another government
bureaucracy. And people who have really investigated it have stated
that yes, that is exactly what happened.

GW: There is an article that came out on Sunday, July 14, 1996, in the
McCurtain County Gazette, written by J.D. Cash. He says that:

“After months of official “no comments” and even outright denials, a
highly-placed source at the FBI has confirmed that Andreas Carl
Strassmeir was a paid government informant sent by the Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms to infiltrate Elohim City, a Christian
Identity religious compound near Muldrow, Oklahoma.

“Following numerous investigative reports by national and international
news services about the mysterious German “tourist” with suspicious ties
to Tim McVeigh, some supervisory-level agents at the Bureau now want to
distance themselves from mounting evidence that the Oklahoma City
bombing was a “blown sting operation” by the ATF, an operation which
Strassmeir himself has admitted intimate knowledge.

“Supplementing the Gazette’s nine-month investigation into links between
Strassmeir, McVeigh and the neo-Nazi movement in this country, a variety
of news organizations have also begun uncovering and reporting some
unsettling facts about the German national’s activities and
associations. Such revelations now include that of a family in Arkansas
whose bodies were recently found handcuffed and submerged in an Arkansas
bayou and a bank-robber-turned-government-witness, who was discovered
Friday morning dangling from a bed sheet in his cell.”

GW continues: There have been two interesting connections that have
developed as side stories, which have Strassmeir tied into them. The
first one refers to the “family in Arkansas whose bodies were recently
found handcuffed and submerged in an Arkansas bayou” (the Mueller
family) and a “Bank-robber-turned-government-witness who was discovered
friday morning dangling from a bed sheet in his cell.”

DW: Is this particular family the same family that was found with bags
taped over their heads? And Strassmeir was involved in that incident?

GW: Exactly right. This was the Mueller family, and Strassmeir has
footprints leading in that direction. According to a Little Rock,
Arkansas newspaper called American Common Sense, the author, Mr. Wurgis
had an interview with William Mueller at a Little Rock gun show in
November, 1995. William, his wife Nancy and her daughter Sarah all
disappeared in January, 1996, just two months after that interview (they
were only recently found in 18 feet of water in the Illinois Bayou, just
across the border in Arkansas). In the November 1995 interview, Mr.
Mueller told Mr. Wurgis that he had just recenly met a strange fellow
named Michael Brescia. Mr. Brescia was a roommate of Andy Strassmeir at
Elohim City.

DW: Do you believe that Michael Brescia is John Doe #2, the one with
Tim McVeigh when he rented the Ryder truck?

GW: Exactly right. We have shown pictures of Mr. Brescia to the
significant and credible eyewitnesses in Junction City, those witnesses
with the best liklihood of being able to identify the man with McVeigh
at Elliot’s. We have been told that it is an exact identification of
the man with McVeigh. The only qualification that the witnesses have
given us is that we have a photo of Brescia from about three years ago.
Mr. Brescia combs his hair up and straight back now, versus down as in
our photo. Each of the witnesses said that if his hair had been combed
back in the photo, it would be an exact match. So we’ve been trying to
get a current picture of Mr. Brescia, which is difficult to do,
particularly since he seems unaccessible anywhere in the U.S. at the
present time.

Our information is that at least two of the major networks and some of
the more reputable print media in the country have been trying to locate
Mr. Brescia for at least two to three months now. It appears that he
may no longer be in the United States. Our last reports were that he
had crossed into Canada, and that he had possibly even gone from Canada
over to Europe.

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Transcriber’s Note: Of course, Mikey is now sitting on his daddy’s
front porch, enjoying life in the old ‘hood. That is a luxury
unavailable now to his hundreds of victims.
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DW: So an FBI source acknowledges that Andreas Strassmeir was associated
with Tim McVeigh, and that he was Michael Brescia’s roommate in Elohim
City. Wasn’t Michael Brescia still attending school in Philadelphia?

GW: Mr. Brescia had attended LaSalle University in Philadelphia for
three years until he dropped out in his third year, the 1992-1993 school
year. When he dropped out, he went to Elohim City, Oklahoma.

Michael Brescia was made aware of Elohim City through a gentleman by the
name of Mark Thomas, who is head of the Pennsylvania Aryan Nation.
Coincidentally, Mr. Thomas is the same man who guided Mark Steddeford to
Elohim City. Steddeford is one of the two most recent Midwestern Bank
Bandits arrested, along with a gentleman by the name of Kevin McCarthy.
It’s quite an interesting connection that both of these gentlemen were
at Elohim City for up to six months and both were guided there by Mr.
Thomas of Pennsylvania.

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The way that these connections tie into this most recent “suicide” is
that Richard Guthrie and a gentleman named Langan were arrested in
January, 1995 in connection with the Midwest bank robberies that have
been taking place for the past three years. About a week ago, we
received word that Mr. Guthrie was going to cop a plea and turn state’s
evidence against the other robbers. He had certain other key
information that he was going to give the FBI in exchange for a reduced
plea aggreement for the bank robbery charges. Lo and behold, about four
or five days after this information came out, Mr. Guthrie was found
hanged to death in his cell in Covington, Kentucky last friday morning
(July 12,1996). this was just a week after he became willing to cop a
deal with the FBI!!

It’s interesting that Mr. Guthrie was one of four bank bandits charged
with the Midwestern bank robberies. The four arrests included
Steddeford and McCarthy, who both resided at Elohim City and who were
both placed there by the same man who had placed Mr. Brescia there: Mr.
Mark Thomas of Pennsylvania. Here we have all the attributes of a
fictional murder-mystery, except that this story is true to life and we
are watching it unfold before us.

DW: Do you think that Michael Brescia was a true Christian Identity
adherent, or was he just a paid informant?

GW: I believe that Michael Brescia is for real. When he was at LaSalle
University he belonged to a business fraternity, and they had to censor
him because he was attempting to set up neo-Nazi/white separatist groups
on campus. The fraternity told him that they would not tolerate it, and
that if he continued he would be disbarred from the fraternity. It
wasn’t too long after that he decided to drop out of LaSalle and reside
at Elohim City. No, I believe that Michael Brescia is a true believer–
but I don’t believe that Andy Strassmeir is, though.

DW: Andreas Strassmeir’s purpose in coming to the United States was in
hopes of becoming an undercover agent for one of the government
agencies.

GW: Yes, and as a matter of fact, he has admitted that in one of his
conversations with Ambrose Evans-Pritchard. Andy has himself admitted
that when he came to America he had hoped to get employment with DEA or
the Treasury Department.

DW: Why does it seem as though the Christian Identity and Aryan Nations
people have their fingers in a lot of these incidents? The Christian
Identity people are saying that Jews are not really Jews; that they
(Identity adherents) are the Jews. I believe that their blindness is
leading them down a road into trouble.

GW: I’ve never been a very political fellow, and I don’t plan to be one
in the future. I lost two little boys that I loved very much; they were
blown up. My attitude has been to follow the trail of the killers
wherever it leads. Whoever is responsible for it is where I’m going.
The names and connections indicate that we have an ATF informant.

DW: Do you think that there is any Moslem connection? Early reports by
the media indicated that there were Middle Eastern individuals involved.

GW: There were some early indications that there was. However, the
longer this investigation proceeds, the less I see any indications of
that. In my opinion, this thing was developed, birthed and put together
right here in America.

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DW: So there was a definite connection between Andreas Strassmeir,
McVeigh and Michael Brescia.

GW: That’s correct, and we now have witnesses in Herington, Kansas who
place Andreas Strassmeir in and around Junction City and Herington at
various times, as early as the summer of 1992. In these same time
periods, the same witnesses place Tim McVeigh, Michael Fortier and
Michael Brescia TOGETHER at various places in Herington, Kansas. the
witnesses have not placed Strassmeir together with the other men, but
they have placed him in the same area at the same time. Mr. Strassmeir
has gone on record as saying that he has never been to Kansas.

At this point, after fifteen months and based upon the recent article by
Mr. J.D.Cash in the McCurtain County Gazette, there is no question that
Andreas Strassmeir was acting as a federal informant for the Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. The question is: just how active was Mr.
Strassmeir within this bombing group?

You can look back into the past at the World trade Center bombing, but
you don’t even have to look any further back than the Viper Militia
incident in Pheonix to notice that when the feds send informants into
these groups, that the informants become much more than just
information-gathering tools. The informants do in fact agitate,
accelerate and suggest situations. We’re interested in seeing the
extent of Mr. Strassmeir’s involvement. Did he actually help to
inititiate and conduct the events resulting in the bombing?

DW: But how can that be determined? Obviously the BATF will protect
him, considering that he was their secret paid agent.

GW: You can bet on that!! There will be no assistance from the BATF or
the FBI in this regard. In the past two weeks, we have obtained
additional information regarding Mr. strassmeir’s activities as early as
1988 and 1989, in Texas, regarding his infiltration of the Texas Light
Infantry. We continue to get information that Strassmeir is here,
there, and everywhere. People are coming forward, recognizing his
picture, recognizing his name and recalling certain instances involving
him. This most recent one is very intriguing because in 1988 and 1989
he was in Texas, trying to infiltarte a militia group and set up some
illegal gun purchases. His pattern of activity from 1988 up to the
bombing is unquestionable. Andy strassmeir seems to be the key to the
whole investigation. Follow Strassmeir and you are following the
perpretrators in the bombing group.

DW: Our prayers go out to you, Glenn, your wife and Edye. God help us
here in the United States to do what’s right.

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“I don’t think that the Wilburns would backpeddle on anything, from what
dealings I’ve had with them. They’re absolutely uncontainable. They
believe that the government has not told the truth on this, and they’re
absolutely determined to find out what really happened….They are doing
it by themselves. they have had some help: John Cash, a retired
lawyer, is a reporter for the McCurtain County Gazette, and he has done
some terrific work. He’s working full-time on this story, and its
amazing what he has uncovered. They’ve also had some help from other
people, but no paid investigators. Its just the Wilburns and a small
group of people who want the truth to come out, all working together.”
— Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, 10 July 1996.

As one of the “other people” who Ambrose mentions, I was struck by the
American Freedom Magazine headline to Glenn’s interview: “NO QUARTER.”
This is exactly what the innocents like Chase and Colton Smith received
>from the bombers: “No Quarter.” No mercy. No break. And so their
lives were snuffed out.

But if we can expect no quarter from bombers and Nazi terrorists, then
they should understand that they will receive “No Quarter” from us. We
are going to hunt them down and bring them to the bar of justice by
whatever means we can. The John Does of the world should understand
this. No quarter for terrorists. NO QUARTER!!

— Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR.

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JOHN DOE TIMES
Vol. II, No. 3
4 October 1996.

IN THIS ISSUE: THE EDYE SMITH CIVIL SUIT IS EXPANDED TO INCLUDE “ATF
ANDY” STRASSMEIR, MICHAEL “JOHN DOE #2” BRESCIA, AND MICHAEL “DEALING
DRUGGIE” FORTIER
OR: “HOW ARE TIMMY (“PINKY”) McVEIGH & MIKEY (“THE BRAIN”) BRESCIA LIKE
O.J. SIMPSON?”

The John Doe Times is a joint venture of the 1st Alabama Cavalry
regiment (Constitutional Militia), Bootleg Printing Company and the
Militia Marketing Agency. Copy-it-right 1996. Feel free to copy this
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THE FOLLOWING PETITION WAS FILED IN THE DISTRICT COURT OF CANADIAN
COUNTY, STATE OF OKLAHOMA, 1 OCTOBER 1996:

CASE No. CJ-96-18

EDYE ANN SMITH, individually and on behalf of her minor children, CHASE
SMITH, deceased, and COLTON SMITH, deceased, PLAINTIFFS,

VS.

TIMOTHY JAMES McVEIGH, MICHAEL BRESCIA, MICHAEL FORTIER and ANDREAS CARL
STRASSMEIR and other unknown individuals, DEFENDANTS.

Second Amended Petitition.

EDYE ANN SMITH indivually and on behalf of her deceased minor children,
Chase Smith and Colton Smith, brings before this Court her cause of
action against the defendants, Timothy James McVeigh, Michael Brescia,
Michael Fortier, Andreas Carl Strassmeir and other unkown individuals
and states as follows:

1. That Edye Ann Smith is the mother of the deceased minor children,
Chase Smith and Colton Smith;

2. That on April 19, 1995, at approximately 9:00 a.m. Chase Smith and
Colton Smith were inside the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City,
Oklahoma when an explosion occurred trapping them in the building and
causing serious personal injury and death;

3. That the defendants, Timothy James McVeigh, Michael Brescia, Michael
Fortier, Andreas Carl Strassmeir and other unknown individuals working
in concert with one another, wrongfully, and with reckless disregard for
the welfare of the plaintiffs, and others similarly situated, placed and
discharged an explosive device, or devices, in close proximity to the
structural support of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma
City, causing injury and death to Chase Smith and Colton Smith;

4. That Edye Smith has and continues to suffer severe emotional
distress from personally witnessing the destructive reults of the
device(s) detonated by the defendants, and from fearing for the lives of
her two small boys as rescue workers searched the Alfred P. Murrah
Building rubble for survivors;

5. As a direct and proximate result of the wrongful conduct of the
defendants, Chase Smith, having lived a mere three years, did wrongfully
die as the day care center he was attending collapsed causing him to
experience all the fear, pain and suffering possible for a person of his
tender years, and as such has been injured in an amount in excess of
$5,000,000.00.

6. As a direct and proximate result of the wrongful conduct of the
defendants, Colton Smith, having lived only two years, did wrongfully
die as the day care center he was attending collapsed causing him to
experience all the fear, pain and suffering possible for a person of his
tender years, and as such has been injured in an amount in excess of
$5,000,000.00.

7. As a direct and proximate result of the wrongful conduct of the
defendants, Edye Ann Smith has and will suffer loss of companionship and
severe emotional distress from the death of her two young boys and as
such has been damaged in an amount in excess of $10,000,000.00

The plaintiff states that the acts of the defendants were gross,
willful, wanton and intentional, for which malice may be inferred and
for which punitive damages should be assessed in an amount in excess of
$10,000,000.00.

Wherefore, the plaintiff Edye Ann Smith, individually and on behalf of
her minor children Chase Smith, deceased, and Colton Smith, deceased,
seeks judgement against the defendants, Timothy James McVeigh, Michael
Brescia, Michael Fortier, Andreas Carl Strassmeir and others, for actual
damages in amount $10,000,000.00 and punitive damages in an amount in
excess of $10,000,000.00 together with attorney fees, interest, cost of
this action and other such necessary and proper relief as the Court may
deem just and equitable.

Respectfully submitted,

Larry L. Oliver & Associates., P.C.,

(Signature).

Larry L. Oliver, OBA #6769
2211 East Skelly Drive
Tulsa, OK 74105
(918) 745-6084

Attorney for the Plaintiff.

ATTORNEY LIEN CLAIMED
JURY TRIAL DEMANDED.

*****************************************************************

McCurtain (Oklahoma) Gazette, 2 October, 1996

ATF INFORMANT & “JOHN DOE #2” ADDED TO WRONGFUL DEATH LAWSUIT.

By J.D. Cash with Jeff Holladay.

A significant change is being made in a wrongful death civil lawsuit
filed by Oklahoma City bombing victim Edye Smith– the addition of
Andreas Carl Strassmeir, Michael Fortier and Michael Brescia as
co-defendants, the McCurtain Gazette has learned.

The Tulsa law firm of Larry Oliver and Associates filed the documents in
Canadian County district court Tuesday.

Edye Ann Smith, who lost two young children at a daycare center in the
April 19, 1995, bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, filed
the $30 million wrongful death lawsuit last January.

It named Oklahoma City bombing co-defendant Timothy McVeigh and “persons
unknown” as defendants. Strassmeir, 37, Fortier, 27, and Brescia, 24,
are no strangers to readers who have followed the McCurtain Gazette
newspaper’s stories for nearly a year and a half.

Attorneys for Smith said they intend to eventually prove that the
government had prior knowledge of the impending bomb threat to the
building but failed to warn occupants.

So far, no particular governmental agency has been named in the civil
lawsuit, which is entirely separate from the impending criminal trial in
Denver for McVeigh and accused co-conspirator Terry Nichols.

But Edye Smith and her parents, Glenn and Kathy Wilburn of Oklahoma
City, have often said in interviews that they believe the ATF (Alcohol,
Tobacco and Firearms Bureau of the Treasury Department) were involved in
a “sting operation” that went sour.

Edye Smith, 24, lost her only two children, Chase, 3, and Colton, 2,
when a truck bomb authorities allege was built by McVeigh and Nichols
exploded a few feet from the daycare center on the second floor of the
Murrah building. The bombing also took the lives of 166 other persons
and injured more than 400 others. It has been called the worst incident
of terrorism in U.S. history.

Shortly after Smith’s civil lawsuit was filed in January, the federal
government sought to stop her attorneys from deposing witnesses– saying
McVeigh might gain an advantage over the government as a result of
broader rules of discovery allowed in civil lawsuits over more limited
means in criminal charges.

The federal government contended Smith should be forced to wait until
all criminal trials are completed before being allowed to proceed with
the civil lawsuit. Likewise, the government argued to the court,
lawyers for McVeigh should be blocked from getting testimony from
witnesses in the civil lawsuit.

Such a delay, legal experts say, could last for two years because of the
possibility that McVeigh and Nichols may receive separate federal
trial– and then face state murder charges as well.

However, naming other defendants in the civil action means the discovery
process can proceed regardless of a judge’s ruling on McVeigh’s legal
standing in the case, the Gazette has been told by legal experts.

As reported earlier in the Gazette, Andreas Carl Strassmeir came under
scrutiny when it was revealed by Elohim City residents that he was the
German national Timothy McVeigh tried to contact by telephone just days
before the Oklahoma City bombing.

Strassmeir’s attorney, Kirk Lyons of Black Mopuntain, N.C., has
repeatedly said his client does not personally know McVeigh and only had
a chance meeting with him in the spring of 1995. lyons said it was also
mere coincidence that McVeigh kept a note with Strassmeir’s number on it
for two years following the gun show…. and that McVeigh called
Strassmeir about a planned visit to Elohim City shortly after calling a
Ryder truck rental place in Arizona– a visit that never took place,
Strassmeir and white separatists at Elohim City said.

Yet, the former German military intelligence officer fled to his native
Berlin earlier this year after investigators for Timothy McVeigh began
questioning him. Kirk Lyons said Strassmeir had to leave the country to
protect himself from arrest by the FBI.

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Transcriber’s Note: You know, that one gets funnier every time I read
it. The last thing the FBI wanted to do was arrest Strassmeir. The
whole point of the “John Doe Who?” change of story by the government was
to protect Strassmeir by deflecting interest in Brescia.)
***************************************************

Because Strassmeir’s family are powerful political figures in Germany,
Lyons also said that Berlin was a much safer place for the younger
Strassmeir from what he termed “ridiculous rumors spread by the media
and McVeigh’s attorney, Stephen Jones.” (Strassmeir’s father, Guenter,
recenly retired from his position as secretary of state to Berlin. He
is now an unpaid adviser to German Chancellor Helmut Kohl. Andreas
Strassmeir’s uncle is a parliamentarian and a brother holds elective
office on the Berlin city council.)

Despite the FBI’s boast that they have interviewed more than 21,000
persons in connection with the Oklahoam City bombing, Strassmeir was
never interviewed by them while he was in this country— possibly
because FBI sources reported Strassmeir was actually an undercover ATF
informant. (Strassmeir denies the charge.)

The government has thus far blocked defense attorney Stephen Jone’s
effort to obtain intelligence files on Strassmeir– which the ATF
admitted they had.

But another attempt is being made. The McVeigh defense recently filed
new motions with the Denver federal court, asking Judge Richard Matsch
to order the agency to turn over their files on Strassmeir.

Michael Brescia, also named in the wrongful death civil lawsuit, is a
former roommate of Strassmeir’s at Elohim City. He is also the person
identified by witnessess in Kansas (identified by Gazette lead
investigator J.D. Cash) as the man they believed to be the object of the
FBI’s search for “John Doe #2.”

Inexplicably, only a few weeks into the investigation, Attorney General
Janet Reno announced the whole thing as a mistake– and that there was
no “John Doe #2.” The Clinton appointee said persons who they say saw
McVeigh with the mystery man were probably confused.

But dozens of witnesses interviewed by the Gazette and other news media
continue to assert there were accomplices with McVeigh– including the
so-called “John Doe #2” figure– in the days and minutes before the
bombing. And a number of then said Michael Brescia looked very much
like “John Doe #2.”

FBI sources however, have told the Gazette that Brescia is not a suspect
in the bombing.

Brescia left the Christian Identity redoubt at Elohim City near Muldrow
in the fall of 1995. The Pennsylvania native has been reported in
various places in the Northeast and Canada since then. In May of this
year, two of Brescia’s friends from Elohim City were arrested in
Philadelphia and charged with a series of bank robberies.

Later published reports identified them as members of a neo-Nazi group
that called themselves the Aryan Republican Army and pulled a string of
18 bank robberies that netted them in excess of $200,000 between January
1994 and December 1995.

Since the arrest of McVeigh and Nichols, various reports have surfaced
in the press quoting federal authorities as saying they suspect the
bombing suspects might also be involved in some of the same bank
robberies.

Brescia, who was a member of a rock band with two of the alleged bank
robbers, is currently living at his parents’ home in Philadelphia.

Michael Fortier was also named a defendant in the unlawful death civil
lawsuit. Fortier, 27, entered a plea of guilty with prosecutors in
exchange for promised testimony against his ex-Army buddies, Terry
Nichols and Timothy McVeigh.

Under that agreement in August 1995, Fortier faces up to 24 years in
prison for admitting to transporting and selling stolen property, lying
to the FBI, and failing to report McVeigh and Nichols’ bombing plans.

Prosecutors, however, never presented any evidence to the grand jury
that Fortier had any actual involvement with the bombing.

Fortier’s plea agreement also has an “out” clause for federal
authorities: It says that if the government gets any information that
Fortier was involved with the conspiracy to bomb any federal building,
the agreement is voidable and he could be charged ewith crimes subject
to the death penalty.

Edye Smith’s wrongful death lawsuit, however, alleges that Fortier DID
have actual involvement with the others named in the action. If the
assertion is supported by facts, it could disrupt the government’s
case– possibly prompting withdrawal of the plea bargain agreement or
Fortier’s refusal to testify against McVeigh and Nichols.

Hearings are currently being held in Denver federal court on motions to
separate the trials of McVeigh and Nichols.

END OF STORY.

EDITORIAL QUESTION: KIRK LYONS, WHO IS COPIED VIA EMAIL EVERY ISSUE OF
JOHN DOE TIMES, HAS BEEN SCREAMINGLY SILENT SINCE THE RESUMPTION OF JDT,
VOLUME II— WHAT’ S THE MATTER KIRK, DOES THE FEDERAL CAT HAVE YOUR
TONGUE? ANY COMMENT FROM “LITTLE ORPHAN ANDY’S” LAWYER ON HIS BEING
NAMED IN THE CIVIL SUIT?

AND YOU WONDER WHY DONATIONS ARE DOWN?

— Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR

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mus rata suboleo,
muresrattas insectari…

Hey! Hey! The witch is dead…

So’s this board–OBS, and “friends” score one.

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JOHN DOE TIMES
Vol. II, No. 4
9 October 1996

OUR MOTTO: “SIC SEMPER RODENTIA”

IN THIS ISSUE: “THOSE GUYS ARE INTO IT UP TO THEIR HEADS.”

The John Doe Times is a joint venture of the 1st Alabama Cavalry
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Pinson, AL 35126. Direct any other request for directions to the
ex-Director. ”
Is he, or isn’t he? Only his paymaster knows for sure” (But MOM can
still start a rumor anyway, can’t she?) By order of the Head Cheese,
visitors to the Rat Trap are encouraged to call ahead for non-lethal
reservations
Sic Semper Rodentia. “Roll the videotape, Fred.” “Remember, we’re
watching, and we ain’t your big brother.”

But first, a word from our Editor:

O.K. folks, the latest “smoking hot gospel” out of NBC is: NBC Nightly
News, Monday, 14 October, Mike Boettcher’s story on “Timmy, Mikey and
Andy Try to Get Laid in the Back of the Second Van.” I would expect
that if NB
C doesn’t run it, that someone else hot on their trail will. There are
more indications that the Pulitzer race is about to begin, and some
previously docile news-horses are become frisky in the starting gate.

I notice the FBI has recently renewed it’s $2,000,000.00 reward for
information about the OKC bombing conspirators. Do you think they’ll
give it to J.D. Cash after Monday night? Hmmm, maybe I can wrap up all
the back is
sues of John Doe Times and send ’em to DC……Naw, they’ve already got
’em by way of court ordered email intercept…. or is it a “black
bagger”? Hey! I just had an idea! If they won’t give J.D. or me the
money, this
may be an opportunity for Esther Millar. Esther, honey, this is your
lucky day. When the money becomes as serious as “two mill”, its not
“selling out your lover” but making an “investment for your future.”
Of course,
you’d better hurry. There’s a long line forming at the “Let’s Make a
Deal Window.” Maybe Mikey’s in front of you already.

“WHERE’S KIRK (“WALDO”) LYINS????

NO COMMENT FROM KIRK LYINS LATELY.

Has he fallen off the neo-Nazi turnip truck? Has he dumped “Little
Orphan Andy” as a bad investment? Where’s our shining k-k-knight in
blood-spattered, rapidly rusting armor? No comment on the Smith civil
suit? No com
ment on where he was the day of the bombing? No comment on Timmy,
Mikey and Andy in the Tulsa titty bar? We hear his erstwhile Aryan
in-laws are starting to take a new view of him. Not surprising. But
where’s Kirk?!?!
?!? The FBI knows. Every word.

“‘E’s scarpered. ‘E’s buggered off! The cowardly sod.” Monty
Python and the Holy Grail.

“But Mom, there were bunches of cockroaches here before I turned on the
light.”

RE: Arrest of Phineas Priesthood Idaho Boys in Washington State on Bank
Robbery and Bombing Charges. We’ll have details in an upcoming John
Doe Times, as well as Richard Butler’s reaction, under the headline:

POOR PEE-PEE’S POPPED, PASTOR POOH-POOHS PANTS

— Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR

And now, without further ado:

The Nashville Tennessean
8 October 1996

OKLAHOMA BOMB SUIT FILED
Family Accuses Ex-Tennessean.

By Laura Frank

A man with Tennessee ties has been named in a wrongful-death
lawsuit filed on behalf of two childrean killed in the Oklahoma City
bombing.

Andreas Carl (Andy) Strassmeir– a German national who claimed a
Knoxville address and was issued a Tennessee driver’s license– is
accused in the civil complaint of assisting in the bombing that killed
168 people April 1
9, 1995.

Edye Ann Smith, 24, the mother of the two children, believes
Strassmeir, his former roommate Michael Brescia and Michael Fortier
helped Timothy McVeigh plan and place a 4,800 pound bomb at the base of
the Oklahoma City fe
deral building on April 19, 1995.

Smith’s two sons, Chase, 3, and Colton, 2, were at the child-care
center in the building that day. Both died.

“After a year-and-a-half of many different individual investigators and
reporters digging into the bombing, what really happened is coming to
light,” Smith told The Tennessean last night. “Those guys are into it
up to t
heir heads. If they were involved, they need to be punished.”

Smith’s attorney, Larry Oliver, said the three men were added to a suit
previously filed against McVeigh, who is awaiting trial on federal
murder charges.

Oliver said witnesses claim they saw the men together at a Tulsa, Okl.,
strip club days before the bombing. He said McVeigh was talking about
the bombing then, before it happened.

“These people apparently got together and let some other people know
they knew something about the bombing.” Strassmeir, who returned to
Germany (eight) months after the bombing, could not be reached there
for comment la
st night. In an interview with The Tennessean earlier this year, he
denied having any connection to the bombing.

Brescia, reportedly from Philadelphia, could not be found; his
whereabouts are unkown; Fortier, who pleaded guilty to knowing about
the bomb plot and is assisting prosecutors in their criminal case
against McVeigh, also c
ould not be found.

The civil case, filed in El Reno, Okla., is unrelated to the criminal
case, which will be heard in Denver. Smith’s suit seeks $20 million,
but she also wants to question the defendants under oath.

Strassmeir obtained a Tennessee driver’s license in 1992, claiming a
Knoxville address, before moving to a white seperatist religious
compound in eastern Oklahoma. He lived with Brescia at the compound,
called Elohim Cit
y.

At least three eyewitnesses told The Tennessean earlier this year they
saw Strassmeir in Junction City, Kansas. This is where prosecutors
allege McVeigh and codefendant Terry Nichols bought and stockpiled the
ingredients
of a fertilizer bomb, and where McVeigh is charged with renting a
truck and filling it with the explosive combination of ammonium nitrate
and diesel fuel.

One witness also said she attended parties where McVeigh, Strassmeir
and Brescia were guests.

Strassmeir says he met McVeigh only once, casually in October, 1994, at
a gun show in Tulsa.

“I don’t know this McVeigh guy,” Strassmeir told The Tennessean in a
telephone interview from Berlin earlier this year. “We met at a gun
show once and talked for five minutes.”

Moreover, Strassmeir told The Tennessean he has never been to Kansas,
claims to have an alibi for the weeks before the bombing and says he
knows nothing about the bomb.

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JOHN DOE TIMES BULLETIN 14 Sept 96 0100 hrs

TONIGHT…TONIGHT…TONIGHT….NBC STARTS UNRAVELLING THE COVERUP
TONIGHT..
It will begin modestly…Don’t expect them to name all the names at
once…..But tonight NBC Nightly News begins the Tulsa Strip Club story
as told by correspondent Mike Boettcher (a hometown OKC boy) starring,
as faithfu
l readers of John Doe Times already know, Timmy “Pinky” McVeigh, Mikey
“the Brain” Brescia and Andy “the Snitch” Strassmeir……

We have this on exceptional authority. If you don’t see it tonight,
you can blame the White House.

AND NOW FOR SOMETHING REALLY DIFFERENT………….

Sometimes material is submitted that just doesn’t meet the high
standards of language, modesty and decorum that the John Doe Times
espouses. On the other hand, if it’s funny enough, we’ll send it to
you anyway. The foll
owing piece falls into that category.

The Kind of Interview I’d Like to See Tim McVeigh Give…..

The Tim McVeigh Interview That Never Happened
by A. F. Amous-Reporter

(Editors Note: The following interview questions were forwarded to me
by that crackerjack, jack-playing, One-Eyed Jack and jack of all
trades, Mr. A.F. Amous-Reporter. He once had an interview scheduled
with Timmy McVeig
h that never came about thanks to meddling federal prosecutors. These
were A.F.A-R’s prepared questions for McVeigh, and it is regrettable
that Timmy never got the chance. It is obvious that a lot of thought
went into t
hese questions, which reflect A.F.A-R’s encyclopedic knowledge of the
bombing conspiracy. Still, perhaps one day Timmy can be persuaded to
answer these cheese-cutting questions. The answers would be, ah,
revealing.)

WARNING TO PARENTS WITH SMALL CHILDREN, THE FAINT-OF-HEART AND NORMAL
CHRISTIAN PEOPLE WHO CAN BE OFFENDED BY BAD LANGUAGE, SEXUAL INNUENDO
AND GRAPHIC SCENES OF PRISON LIFE: YOU MAY BE OFFENDED BY SOME OF
THESE QUESTION
S. DON’T READ THEM.

Question One: What three women would you most like to see sent to your
cell completely naked? (Remember, this isn’t going to happen, Tim, I
just want people to see how pissed-off you can get on camera.)

Question Two: Of all the bad advice you’ve been given in your life,
which of the following stands out as the worst?
a. “Aaahh, damn, I gotta take a leak….Why don’t you go ahead and rent
the truck, Tim?”
b. “Don’t worry about the tag, Timmy…It won’t fall off.”
c. “Of course we’ll get away with this, Tim.”

Question Three: If you were in a room with Colin Powell, Bill Clinton
and David Rockefeller–and you only had two cartridges in your pistol–
how would you solve this dilemma? (Hint: Remember that the viewers
appreciate
creativity in their mass murderers.)

Question Four: When you were interviewed by Barbara Walters, did any
of the following thoughts cross your mind?
a. A life of celibacy might not be so bad.
b. My guards are looking better all the time.
c. I blew up a building full of people for this?

Question Five: Which of the following makes you the maddest?
a. That John Doe #2 is a rock star in Philadelphia?
b. That he’s screwing your old girl friend?
c. That the government is picking up the tab for both of the above?

Question Six: According to the Justice Department, over $62 million
dollars has already been spent investigating how you and a few other
societal misfits blew up a $9 million dollar building with a $25
hundred dollar hom
e-made bomb…..Timmy, don’t you think by now that the American
taxpayers– and the Department of Defense– are entitled to know what
your recipe was?

Question Seven: Experts in mental disorders will be studying you for
many years to come, trying to determine how you became a world-class
patsy. Tim, in order to advance this research, would you identify
which of the wi
retap-intercepted statements below has had the greatest influence on
your life?
a. Kirk Lyons saying, “No matter what happens, Tim, keep your mouth
shut and Helmut Kohl, Andy and I will get you out of this.”
b. Esther whispering in your ear: “Just remember, darling…after you
light the fuse I’ll be waiting for you at the Dreamland Motel…Drive
as fast as you can, Timmy.”
c. Bill Clinton saying: “I feel your pain.”

Question Eight: Timmy, let’s get up close and personal here…Please
tell us how you feel knowing that you’re never going to get so much as
a whiff of another ice-cold beer….Never going to drop another tab of
acid with
your buds….And, jumping into a bathtub full of jello with your sister
is just a fond memory as you hump your fist in front of a security
camera for the foreseeable future….And, knowing that as soon as this
farce of a
trial is over, the Warden here has promised that he’s going to shove
your tight, virginal ass into the general prison population, where you
will be raped, beaten, eaten, and your entrails hung on the cafeteria
wall…..My
question is, Tim: Was your big night at Lady Godiva’s worth it?

Question Nine: Reflecting back over the past two years, what stands
out as the single worst idea you’ve had?

Question Ten: Tim, whatever happened to that shitty grin you used to
have?

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JOHN DOE TIMES BULLETIN, 15 OCTOBER 1996

Well, here I am feeling like Peter and the Wolf again. To those of you
who inundated my phone and email last night about why NBC didn’t run it
the Mike Boettcher piece on Tim McVeigh, Michael Brescia and Andy
Strassmeir in the Tulsa strip club (“Lady Godiva’s) on 8 April 1996—-

Here’s what we were told by lower-downs in NBC: NBC’s commitment to run
the piece remains strong, but the story was bumped by the Archer Daniels
Midland anti-trust settlement (NBC has a vested interest in appearing
aggressive on the ADM because they are a big sponsor of NBC programing,
including Meet the Press, we are told).

We figured something might be up when the network didn’t run any teasers
for the story over the weekend. We are told that NBC will run the
piece, perhaps as early as Tuesday or Wednesday. Mindful that the White
House has exerted pressure on the networks in the past to tone down or
kill OKC stories, I think its not such a bad idea if we do what
Stephanopulous does– let’s jawbone ’em. Call NBC at (212) 664-4444 and
ask them why they are not running the Mike Boettcher story on John Doe
#2. If anyone has a fax number that’s good for the NBC Nightly News
then post it to me, and I will repost it. Call your local NBC affiliates
too. Let’s put a little pressure on ’em. Call up your local radio talk
shows and shortwave shows and tell them what’s happening. All we’re
asking is for them to run a story they already have in the can. What
are they waiting for, ABC? Of course, it may be the most important
story of this decade. The people have a right to know. — Mike
Vanderboegh, 1 ACR

On a lighter note, I present here some original doggerel about a little
known figure in the OKC case—

The Virginian.

There once was a Nazi named Pfaff
Who thought t’would be good for a laugh,
To help Tim McVeigh
Blow a building away.
But now the laugh is on Pfaff.

And if you want a real laugh, call up the National Alliance and ask them
if they know Pfaff. Some numbers, (304) 653-4600. (304) 653-4707.

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Tell us, oh Unterscheissfuhrer Brian Schmidt, the answers to the
following questions:

What is the exact extent of the complicity of Wilhelm Pierce und
Gesellschaft (the National Alliance) in the OKC bombing? Specifically,

1. Do you or any other of you lower-echelon sheissskopf NatAllers know
Tim McVeigh? How about Mikey Brescia, John Doe #2?

2. Who was Timmy calling at NatAll HQ all those times?, and remember, we
know more than the phone card records these days. It was more than one
call, and you bastards know it.

3. Do you know Pfaff as well as Pierce apparently does? And why was
Timmy calling Pfaff every time he made an acquistion of explosives
materials? Is Pfaff your bomb expert? Or is he more than just your
operative? (Remember, the smart thing to do is never ask a question you
don’t already know the answer to.)

4. Now that you pissant federal patsies have been maneuvered into being
complicit in mass murder, have you decided if you wish to be hung like the
Nuremberg dancers, or do you wish to take the coward’s way out and take
the needle up the arm? These are things you should be thinking about.

5. How much of the bank robbery money did the Aryan Republican Army
(Commander Pedro and His Lost Planet Aryans) give Pierce?

6. Please call and email all your NatAll buddies on these subjects. We
shall be grateful for the document trail.

— Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR

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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (VonLuetzow)
writes:

>Oh, I see. Sorry about the pseudonym. I’d like to be able to use my real
>name (as if you do!),

Oh, indeed I DO use my real name – and I sign every single post refuting
your lies with my name, just to make sure you remember it.

> but your JDL and ADL buddies like to compile lists.

oh, goodness, your ignorance is showing already! The Constitutional
Militias have no direct contact with either of those organizations for the
simple reason that those organizations aren’t interested in contact with
us. We DO, however have reasonably good lines of communication with the
JPFO, who not only track you cowards, but also keep lists. I think it
really says something about the cowardice of the average racist that they
have to hide who they are from the world…and they demonstrate that
cowardice everytime they post with a pseudonym – how do you feel about
that – being forced to demonstrate your cowardice every time you post?

>In any case, the pseudonym (Fake? he was a Prussian cavalry general who
>fought for Frederick the Great) hides neither my ethnicity nor my
beliefs.

Fake! Don’t tell me that your leadership actually conned you into
believing that they’d make you some kind of a ‘general’ for your internet
posts…did they? If so, it’s just another example of how they lie to
you…how do you feel about giving blind obedience to leaders who lie to
you?

As far as ethnicity goes, for whatever it’s worth, I am also of German
extraction – up until WW I the family name was _Adam_…and I come from a
long line of German Lutherans, you know like the Confessing Church which
opposed hitler throughout WW II? As far as any of us are concerned,
anyone who would stoop to being a racist is not only without personal
honor, but dishonors his entire lineage as well. How does it feel,
knowing that your ancestors are ashamed of your very existance?

>And pardon me for responding to Kaa’s very timely posting. It wasn’t two
>weeks old, and Kaa brought up the “Holocaust” issue, anyway.

In other words, you’ve been called in to try to back up the failed efforts
of the kids your masters threw into this newsgroup as virtual
cannonfodder. You too, shall fail, and fall – what will your masters do
then? What will *you* do then?

> You’ve been covering the topic ad nauseam for over fifty years, so a
little more
>discussion won’t hurt anything.

eh? This newsgroup was only invaded by your throw away child abuse cases
two weeks ago…although certainly the truth concerning the full extent of
the nazi attrocities has been known for 50 years – why just last week was
the 50th anniversary of the nazi leadership learning the Nuremburg Dance!

>So, all you have to do to prove or deny anything is to deride the
>opposition.

Actually it’s quite easy to deride the ignorance of a nazi – someone so
ignorant and foolish that they are incapable of reading any standard high
school level history of the Second World War. No, your little revisionist
forgeries will not be of any use to you here…neither will you whining
quibbles…nazi lies are never welcome in this newsgroup.

> A very interesting and revealing concept you have of the rules
>of evidence and inductive reasoning. I asked for objective, inductive
>evidence that these gassings ever took place. Where is it?

and I pointed to the body of evidence which already exists. Any highschool
or undergraduate college level history text on World War II will explain
it all to you…or if you feel up to the challenge, which I doubt, read
through the transcripts of the Nuremburg War Crimes Tribunal…that will
teach you why nazis always end up dead, either through suicide, or dancing
on the end of a rope. Finally, if you can’t find anyone with sufficient
literacy to read any of these things to you, go to Dachau. When you get
there, walk in the gate and go about 40 feet, then turn left. Cross the
compound, noting the German Government’s Holocaust Memorial on your left
as you go. When you get to the wall, turn right. Proceed parallel to the
wall until you come to the gate on your left. Turn left, go through the
gate and follow the path into the building to which it leads. You are now
standing in the crematorium. Inhale deeply three or four times, until you
get a good idea of the SMELL that still lingers there. Exit the building
and proceed back down the path toward the gate. Just as you reach the
gate, stop. Now face left, and you will find yourself reading the only KZ
Memorial for which there are no commercial photographs available – the one
memorial which shames every German who sees it. It’s not that much to
look at, really, just a simple, oversized tombstone shaped piece of stone
which bears the words DACHAU – ANDENKEN SIE WIE WIR HIER STERBEN WAR
[translation: Dachau – Think You Then On How We Were Murdered Here]. If
you still have any questions after that, then you are without a doubt
among the most pitiful specimens of German blood to ever have survived the
womb.

> Don’t go off on a tangent about starvation or torture.

Starvation and torture are not tangents – they were central to the nazi’s
so called ‘final solution’. The very fact that such starvation and
torture occurred eliminate any hope of obfuscation that revisionist liars
such as yourself might have hallucinated.

> The International Red Cross Report
>of Spring 1945 indicates quite clearly that the Allies’ strategic bombing
>campaign induced widespread starvation throughout Europe through the
>destruction of the transportation infrastructure.

Irrelevant and immaterial, since the planned torture and starvation of the
KZ and death camp inmates began SEVEN YEARS prior to that with the
construction of the Dachau.

>And human history is
>full of mutual accusations about mistreatment in wartime.

Again irrelevant and immaterial, since the systematic torture, starvation
and death wreaked by the nazi tyranny has been documented thoroughly – I
refer you again to the Transcripts of the Nuremburg War Crimes
Tribunal…they will be a learning experience for you, I’m sure.

> The issue at hand concerns systematic, planned annihilation.

Exactly! You see, vonazi, your masters have lied to you again – they told
you that there was no documentation, and that no one ever confessed to the
various crimes against humanity. That simply is not true. Not only were
there extensive records recovered from the death camps, many of which were
entered into the record at Nuremburg, but also there is documented
testimony from camp survivors *and* a confession from one of your nazi
idols…and an interesting confession at that – since he appears to be
bragging rather than confessing…oh well, he knew he was going to die
anyway, why shouldn’t he brag about something of which his foul soul was
so proud? Look at the transcripts, vonazi, and then ask yourself why your
masters lied to you about this…I’ll be interested to find out how you
feel when you realize just how many lies you’ve been told.

[racist diatribe truncated to reduce nausea]

>Don’t let the spirit of Purim burn too hot – your less likeable side will
>come out.

I’m sorry, I don’t understand this reference – I know that Purim is a
Jewish holiday, but that seems very much a nonsequitor to the current
discussion.

YO! Would one of the Jewish folks on the newsgroup please mail me an
explanation of Purim, so I can figure out what this racist was trying to
say

>Did you see that segment about the Jewish partisans

segment of what? Hey did you see the segment on CBC’s _5th Estate_
program last night which documented the fact that two elohim city
residents were seen getting drunk with Tim McVay just a couple of days
before the OKC bombing? It was great – the bozos were actually bragging
about how people would remember them after April 19th! Yet more evidence
of the general level of stupidity inherent in the ‘white supremacist’
movement.

> (what?! they were all in camps being gassed or hiding in attics, weren’t
they?)

oh heavens no – the nazis never managed to get more than 90 percent in any
given area – despite German efficiency, even then the nazis had no
recourse but to recruit the ignorant, and mentally unbalanced…that’s one
of the problems nazis have always had – inability to recruit competent
people, especially at the lower echelons…it’s systemic, of course –
right down to folks like Brescia, Strassmeier, and McVay. (see above)

>slinking around Bavaria and Italy after the war assassinating and
>poisoning German soldiers on “Nightline” last month?

GOOD FOR THEM! That’s an excellent Phase I insurgency technique!

> Those tireless
>avenging angels, who were just carrying out divine judgment when Jehovah
>inexplicably wouldn’t do it himself,

Oh, but he did – he just had a different time scale in mind. Go back and
look at the weather patterns in June 1944 – Operation Overlord received
*just enough* good weather to get the troops ashore in successful
beachheads…God works in God’s time.

> lamented that they couldn’t use an atomic bomb

that really was too bad – nuking a few thousand nazis could have shortened
the war considerably, but then there weren’t any functional atomic bombs
available until the nazi’s vaunted “tausande jahre reich” (what a
misnomer!) had already begun it’s final self-destruction.

> (how might they have acquired one – from their colleagues at
>the Manhattan Project, perhaps?)

my goodness, you don’t know anything about the Manhattan Project, either,
do you? ah well, that’s a discussion for another day.

> instead of arsenic.

well, one makes do with what one has.

> Loose lips sink ships, as they used to say.

another nonsequitor – look, if your masters’ databases throw in spurious
phrases like this, I’m sure it’ll be alright with them if you edit them
back out. You appear ignorant enough as it is, without being so obvious
about the fact that you’re simply copying something someone else has told
you to post.

> The spirit of Purim doesn’t sit well with most
>people. Even Ted Koppel looked rather sickened by the boasting.

And yet another nonsequitor – look, if you are going to refer to specific
Jewish holidays you’re going to have to explain what you mean, or no one
other than our Jewish members will understand what you’re trying to
say…sheesh…I would have *thought* that was obvious.

>Still waiting for that infallible evidence!

Follow my instructions to you above. After you have done so, *if* your
masters have allowed you to live, and *if* you are indeed so dishonorable
that you have not done the honorable thing to atone for your lies, *then*
come back and we’ll discuss what you’ve read and experienced.

Arlin H. Adams

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