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On Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:47:04 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:06:50 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>And don’t forget the roles of the cursed Christkillers – the damned
>>>JEWS – in the spread of Communism, and their involvement in the murder
>>>of more than 100 millions in this century!!!
>>>From Lucy Dawidowicz’s book The War Against the Jews 1933-1945 by
>>>Bantam #13084-6 says on page 377: “Exploiting the superstitious
>>>anti-Semitic prejudices of the Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians
>>>and activating their accumulated hatred for the Soviets, the Germans
>>>harnessed the violent energies of these willing collaborates to round
>>>up and kill Jews.”
>>>I now ask: “How could the Ukrainians have been anti-Semitic toward the
>>>Soviets, if the Soviets weren’t in fact Jews? Because the Soviet Union
>>>was a Jewish conceived and run totalitarian state!
>>>
>>>”Individual revolutionary leaders and Sverdlov — played a conspicuous
>>>part in the revolution of November, 1917, which enabled the
>>>Bolshevists to take possession of the state apparatus” (Univ. Jew.
>>>Encyd., Vol. IX, p.668). Here and there in the Universal Jewish
>>>Encyclopedia other Jews are named as co-founders of Russian
>>>Communism, but not Lenin and Stalin. Both of these, however,
>>>are said by some writers to be half-Jewish. Whatever the racial
>>>antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet commissariats were
>>>largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in the Communist
>>>movement was well understood in Russia. “The White Armies which
>>>opposed the Bolsehvik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks
>>>as common enemies” (Univ. Jew Encyc., Vol. I, p. 336).
>>>
>>>The Ukrainians were part of the White Army (Gentile) that
>>>opposed the Red Army (loyal to Jewish Commissariats).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:41:29 -0000, “ANAS JZAYRLI”
>>>
>>>
>>>>Since the times of Moses the Jews were oppressors or usurers, all the talent
>>>>of Jews Is concentrated on predatory acts…They have a creed which blesses
>>>>their thieving and misdeeds, they are real liars and bloodhounds, who have
>>>>not only perverted and alsified the entire Scriptures from beginning to end
>>>>and without ceasing with their interpretations.
>>>>And all of the anxious sighing, longing and hope of their hearts is directed
>>>>to the time when some day they would like to deal with us as they dealt with
>>>>the heathen in Persia at the time of Esther… O how they love that Book of
>>>>Esther, which is so suitable to their bloodthirsty revengeful, murderous
>>>>appetite and hopes ! The sun has never shown on such a bloodthirsty and
>>>>revengeful people, who fancy themselves to be the chosen people so they can
>>>>murder and strangle the heathen. No people under the sun is more greedy than
>>>>they are than they have been and always will be, as one can see from their
>>>>accursed usury. They console themselves that when their Messiah comes, he
>>>>will collect all the gold and silver in the world and divide it amongst
>>>>them.
>>>>Since childhood they have devoured such poisonous hatred against the Goyim
>>>>from their parents and rabbis, and still devour such without ceasing, that
>>>>flesh and blood, bone and marrow, and has become their life and being. And
>>>>as little as they can alter flesh and blood, bone and marrow, so little can
>>>>they change such pride and envy, they just have to stay that way and be
>>>>ruined, if God does not perform a special miracle.
>>>>
>>>>”The Jews are locusts or caterpillars which are devouring France.” Sayings
>>>>often repeated by Napoleon Bonaparte, quoted in Cherep-Spiridovich’s
>>>>THE SECRET WORLD GOVERNMENT, page 87.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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On 10 Jan 1999 18:09:01 GMT, “nancy zeleznik”
>[email protected] wrote in message <[email protected]>…
>>On 10 Jan 1999 09:12:24 GMT, “nancy zeleznik”
>>
>>>Are one of a kind.I dare anyone to dispute this. Please try and dispute
>>>this. The Bolsheviks were mostly, mostly, JEWS.No hatred, just
>>>FACTS.Absolute FACTS.
>>You are too kind. Even in Russia, the people have started to awaken to
>>their slavery by the JEWS!!!
>>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:53:41 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:49:13 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>For those concerned about the mass murders by the Soviet JEWS and the
>>>>KGB, attached is an article for consideration
>>>
>>>
>>>>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism – Don’t Deny It
>>>>From: [email protected] (Roger Hughes)
>>>>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>>>>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation
>>>
>>>
>>>>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
>>>>
>>>>One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called “Russian
>>>>Revolution” of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>>>>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>>>>them, continue to condemn anyone as “anti-Semitic” who brings up these
>>>>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>>>>and lead revolutionary movement.
>>>>
>>>>First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism,Karl Marx,
>>>>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father’s side.
>>>>Whether he was a “religous” Jew is of no significant importance, since
>>>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>>>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>>>>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
>>>>
>>>>While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will
>>>>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let’s see the them deny the
>>>>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables
>>>>that passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington
>>>>D.C. during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The
>>>>following quotes are taken directly from documents available from the
>>>>U.S. Archives:
>>>>
>>>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>>>>general in Moscow, Summers: “Jews prominant in local Soviet
>>>>government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population….”
>>>>
>>>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
>>>>July 5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: “Fifty percent of Soviet
>>>>government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type.”
>>>>
>>>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>>>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>>>>Montgomey Shuyler: “It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>>>>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it’s
>>>>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
>>>>type.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
>>>>reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: “…(T)here
>>>>were 384 `commissars’ including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen,
>>>>22 Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had
>>>>come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the
>>>>Imperial Government.”
>>>>
>>>>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>>>>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>>>>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>>>>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>>>>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>>>>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>>>>Bolshevik party’s executive secretary and – as chairman of the Central
>>>>Executive Committee – head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>>>>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>>>>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>>>>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn),
>>>>foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev
>>>>(Rosenfeld) and Moisei Uritsky.
>>>>
>>>>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>>>>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: “The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>>>>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care
>>>>little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and
>>>>they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”
>>>>
>>>>The Netherlands’ ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>>>>”Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>>>>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>>>>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>>>>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>In case anyone thinks I’ve taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>>>>here’s three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>>>>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik
>>>>Propaganda Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the
>>>>Judiciary, United States Senate, 65th Congress:
>>>>
>>>>”We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>>>>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east
>>>>side of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the
>>>>American Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much
>>>>pleased that there was somebody who could speak English, and their
>>>>broken English showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A
>>>>number of these men called on me and were impressed with the strange
>>>>Yiddish element in this thing right from the beginning, and it soon
>>>>became evident that more than half the agitators in the socalled
>>>>Bolshevik movement were Jews…I have a firm conviction that this
>>>>thing is Yiddish, and that one of its bases is found in the east side
>>>>of New York…The latest startling information, given me by someone
>>>>with good authority, startling information, is this, that in December,
>>>>1918, in the northern community of Petrograd that is what they call
>>>>the section of the Soviet regime under the Presidency of the man known
>>>>as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff) out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be
>>>>real Russians, with the exception of one man, a Negro from America who
>>>>calls himself Professor Gordon.
>>>>
>>>>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>>>>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing
>>>>on the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and
>>>>I often remarked to my sister, ‘Well, what are we coming to anyway.
>>>>This all looks so Yiddish.’ Up to that time we had see very few Jews,
>>>>because there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in
>>>>Petrograd, but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of
>>>>the agitators were Jews.
>>>>
>>>>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>>>>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>>>>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now
>>>>that was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real
>>>>Russians did not take kindly to it.”
>>>>
>>>>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>>>>”anti-Semitic” and therefore unreliable, but they’d be wrong. Here’s a
>>>>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>>>>
>>>>”The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>>>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>>>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>>>>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>>>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>>>>physical forces, become a reality all over the world.” (The American
>>>>Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
>>>>
>>>>”There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>>>>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>>>>many of the highest ideals of Judaism.” (Jewish Chronicle, London
>>>>April, 4, 1919)
>>>>
>>>>”Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism.” (The American Bulletin,
>>>>Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>>>>
>>>>”In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>>>>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>>>>the total population.” (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
>>>>
>>>>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>>>>so-called “anti-Semitism” a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>>>>himself:
>>>>
>>>>”National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
>>>>customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as
>>>>an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>>>cannibalism…under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
>>>>death penalty.” (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>>>>
>>>>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>>>>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>>>>virtually untouched.
>>>>
>>>>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>>>>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>>>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>>>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920’s in one of the most vile
>>>>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, “Jews made up nearly 80
>>>>percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,” reports W. Bruce Lincoln,
>>>>an American professor of Russian history. . . ”
>>>>
>>>>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons
>>>>were murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of
>>>>them directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of
>>>>Jewish Communist bosses.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Roger Hughes
>>>>
>>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> http://www.natall.com
>>>> http://www.natvan.com
>>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Excellent post. These are facts that are not publicized. The average
>American knows very little about the history of America, let alone, the
>history and ideaology of communism. They digest Jewish propoganda like ”
>BIG MACs ” .The Jews are masters at puting thier agenda in front of all
>others and demanding sympathy. They have had centuries to practice thier
>skills. We must hand it to them, they are cunning and intelligent people,
>but, it also helps to own and control 75% of the world media.
>Wawrzek Zeleznik
>
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On Sat, 23 Jan 1999 15:21:01 -0800, Stefan Lemieszewski
>Forwarding the following media release by UCCLA.
>Stefan Lemieszewski
___________________________________________________________
>Ukrainian Canadian Civil Liberties Association
>Calgary Office, 48 Woodcrest Close SW, Calgary, Alberta T2W 3P9
>Tel: (403) 251 5594/Fax: (403) 238 4546
>Media Release
>
>ARE SELF STYLED “NAZI HUNTERS” A CHARITY?
>
>For Immediate Release (Calgary/Edmonton/Toronto) – 1 January 1999
>
>Representatives of the UKRAINIAN SELF RELIANCE LEAGUE OF CANADA have
>formally protested to Canada’s MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE, the
>Honourable HERB DHALIWAL, MP, about unsolicited bulk mail solicitation
>for donations by the Toronto-based FRIENDS OF THE SIMON WIESENTHAL
>CENTRE, which lists itself as having Canadian Charitable Registration
>Number 0567586-21-27. Recently, members of the USRL, and other Ukrainian
>Canadians, have received correspondence from the Wiesenthal Centre which
>claims that thousands of Ukrainians who were members of the Ukrainian
>Division “Galicia” during the Second World War and who allegedly
>slaughtered Jews in that period, are now living comfortably in Canada.
>The Wiesenthal Centre’s literature makes no mention of the fact that
>members of this Division were screened by Canadian, British, American
>and Soviet officials just after the war and that, in 1986, the
>Commission of Inquiry on War Criminals, headed by Mr. Justice JULES
>DESCHENES, reviewed their status and again cleared the unit of any
>complicity in war crimes. More recently, Canada’s MINISTER OF JUSTICE,
>the Honourable ANNE MCLELLAN, MP, herself acknowledged in
>correspondence with the UKRAINIAN CANADIAN CIVIL LIBERTIES ASSOCIATION
>that there is no evidence that would merit the commencement of court
>proceedings against any member of the Division.
>
>The USRL’s president, Edmonton lawyer, EUGENE HARASYMIW, has asked that
>the Minister of National Revenue explain how the distribution of “hate
>literature” of this type by the Friends of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre
>can be defined as “charitable.” The USRL has also called for the
>revocation of the Friends of the Wiesenthal Centre’s charitable status
>in Canada. Mr. Harasymiw likewise recommended that the Minister of
>Justice formally investigate the Wiesenthal group’s activities to
>determine if they have indeed been distributing “hate literature”
>through the Canadian postal system.
>
>Commenting, UCCLA’s chairman, J. B. GREGOROVICH, said: “We believe in
>free speech. If the Friends of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre wish to
>continue to mouth nonsense about the Ukrainian Division “Galicia” there
>is nothing we can do about that, but we fail to see how that kind of
>activity can ever be considered charitable. We find the literature being
>distributed by this group to be mendacious, malicious, and, worse, it
>specifically targets an identifiable group within Canadian society for
>opprobrium and contempt. It is hard to understand why the Minister of
>Justice would not find this material to be a species of hate literature.
>We certainly expect Mr Dhaliwal to revoke this group’s charitable tax
>number. There is a well-funded federal War Crimes Unit whose purpose it
>is to investigate whether there are any war criminals in Canada and to
>prosecute those against whom there is compelling evidence of wartime
>complicity in atrocities. The Friends are self-styled “Nazi hunters.”
>They are not involved in any educational or charitable work that we are
>aware of. It’s a free country and so these Friends can do whatever they
>like, except make use of Canada’s national postal system and the Tax Act
>to subsidize what many other Canadians find to be hateful.”
>
>
>**********************************************************************************************
>
>For More Information Please Contact:
>
>Mr Eugene Harasymiw, President, USRL, (403) 476-3581
>Mr John B Gregorovich, Chairman, UCCLA, (519) 323-9349
>
>visit www.infoukes.com/uccla
>
>
>National Office, Suite 277, 3044 Bloor Street West, Toronto, Ontario,
>M8X 2Y8
>
>
>
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On Mon, 04 Jan 1999 21:57:57 GMT, [email protected] (Miro Prpic)
wrote:
>Thor 88! wrote:
>> To see that Cohen/Rumain is a transexual (living
>> in Maryland) just read all the headers, the e-mail
>> addresses and who (or what?) signs the post!
Why not just comment on the article, rather than lies??
On 14 Dec 1998 05:44:48, [email protected] wrote:
>Subject: THE TORONTO SUN: Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:47:59 +0300
>THE TORONTO SUN, Sunday, December 13, 1998
>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>By ERIC MARGOLIS
>Contributing Foreign Editor
>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show
>trial of that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet,
>the 65th anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly
>ignored. Leftists now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be
>reminded of the Unknown Holocaust.
>
>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in
>Ukraine. Stalin determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent
>farmers – called kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to
>crush Ukraine’s growing spirit of nationalism.
>
> Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed
>terror and dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from
>Moscow
>- earlier versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian
>peasants into collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began
>selective executions of recalcitrant farmers.
>
>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number,
>OGPU was ordered to begin mass executions. But there were simply not
>enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many people, so Stalin
>decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of death – mass
>starvation.
>
>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were
>confiscated from Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator
>Mengistu Haile Mariam used the same method in the 1970s to force
>collectivization: the resulting famine cased one million deaths.)
>
>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail
>lines. Nothing came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and
>looted of food and fuel. Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger,
>cold and sickness.
>
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent
>henchman Lazar Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance.
>Kaganovitch, the Soviet Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000
>Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of all Ukrainian intellectuals were
>executed. A Ukrainian party member named Nikita Khruschchev helped
>supervise the slaughter.
>
>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created
>by Kaganovitch and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets,
>boots and belts, plus bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant
>children.
>
>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s
>custom-made famine and Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day.
>The KGB’s archives, and recent work by Russian historians, show at
>least seven million died. Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine
>million, or higher. Twenty-five percent of Ukraine’s population was
>exterminated.
>
>Millions of victims
>
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot
>during collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10
>million peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in
>Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in
>the USSR; massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial
>genocide accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20
>million war dead.
>
>Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were
>Jewish. The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the
>frightful crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine,
>the Baltic states and Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame
>the Jewish people for both communism and their suffering.
When even a Jew writer admits the truth, perhaps Christmas is near??
As a direct
>result, during the subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the
>region’s innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by
>Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>
>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of
>Europe’s Jews by the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger
>holocaust in Ukraine has been suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s
>genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler began the Jewish Holocaust,
>and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before the world’s gaze. But
>Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or concealed by a
>left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day. In the
>strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney
>Webb and PM Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33
>and proclaimed reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not
>see one under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent
>Walter Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting,
>wrote claims of famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million
>people were dying around them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New
>York Times has never repudiated Duranty’s lies.
>
>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological
>and historical roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime –
>the inevitable result of enforced social engineering and Marxist
>theology.
>
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the
>governments of Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the
>Ukrainian genocide and Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they
>eagerly welcomed him as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who
>Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,” murdered four times more people
>than Adolf Hitler.
>
>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were
>ever brought to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a
>few years ago, still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and
>enjoying a generous state pension.
>
>Eric can be reached by e-mail at: [email protected].
>
>Letters to the editor should be sent to: [email protected].
It seems that even a respected jewish author/writer is admitting that
it was the JEWS with the CHEKA/forerunners of the KGB who murdered
more than 25 million Ukrainians!!!
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On Sat, 21 Nov 1998 01:45:01 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>> [email protected] (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>>> > And do not ever FORGET, that the communists were mainly damn JEWS!!!!
>>> Yes, the list is long….
>On Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:34:46 +0000, “Dickey Hard %=====> – $$$$”
>
>>(Heiden, Konrad. Der Fuehrer. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company. 1944.
>>pp. 1-18)
>>” … This much was true, that in 1897 in Basel the Jewish Nationalist
>>Movement of the Zionists was born. The goal of this group, to put it
>>simply,
>>was to lead the Jews back again to Palestine; to state it more exactly,
>>to create for those Jews who were leading an intolerable life of
>>oppression, especially in Russia, a ‘legally assured homestead’ in
>>Palestine. In order to disappear in that little corner on the eastern
>>shore of
>>the Mediterranean they had, as Theodor Herzi, the founder of the
>>movement, put it, ‘to make the Jewish problem … a question of world
>>politics … ”
>
>>”The real purpose of Holocaust revisionism is to make National Socialism
>>an acceptable political alternative again.”
>
>
>
>On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:54:23 GMT, [email protected]
>wrote:
>>On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 05:38:17 GMT, [email protected]
>>(Ken!!!) wrote:
>>>there are idiot jews and there are idiot anti-jews…
>>>
>>>what is scary is the number if idiots willing to listen to these 2
>>>factions of idiots and promote violence…
>>
>>
>>>On Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:11:56 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>>Those who wish to support the Christkillers, the cursed JEWS, also
>>>>wish to rewrite history.
>>
>>>>They do not want the present survivors around the world to remember
>>>>that 100 million have been killed in the last 80 years by the JEW-led
>>>>communists!! This is well documented in the recently released book in
>>>>France.
>>
>>Quite apart from the more than 30 million people massacred by the
>>JEW-led soviets in the 1930’s in the Ukraine.
>
>
>From [email protected] Thu Nov 13 07:29:56 1997
>
>Subject: OyVay Admits JEW COMMUNISTS KILLED 100 MILLION PEOPLE!
>
>
>The key reason OyVay and NAZIKOR/NIZKOR refuse to discuss the 66
>Questions about the HOLOHOAX, is because they must hide the truth
>about the more than 100 MILLIONS the JEW-led communists have murdered,
>in less than 80 years!!!!
>
>
>On 12 Nov 1997 01:51:13 GMT, [email protected] (RWhita8200) wrote:
>
>>>Subject: COMMUNISTS KILLED 100 MILLION PEOPLE!
>>>From: [email protected] (ALAN GRIST)
>>>Date: Mon, Nov 10, 1997 18:15 EST
>
>>>French writers row over “communism killed l00m” claim
>>> FROM BEN MACINTYRE IN PARIS
>
>>>A BOOK by a team of French historians, described as the
>>>first global accounting of the victims of communism, has
>>>estimated that in this century Communist dictators, regimes
>>>and movements have been responsible for the deaths of
>>>up to 100 million people.
>
>>> The 850-page Black Book of Communism – Crimes, Terror
>>>and Repression, by 11 senior French researchers and
>>>published to coincide with yesterday’s 80th anniversary
>>>of the Bolshevik Revolution, has triggered a fresh ideologi-
>>>cal battle.
>
>>>The writers have come up with a final estimate that
>>>communism claimed about 65 million lives in China, 20
>>>million in the Soviet Union, two million in Cambodia, two
>>>million in North Korea, 1.7 Million in Africa, one million
>>>in Vietnam, one million in Eastern Europe and 150,000 in
>>>South America.
>
>>>In a polemical introduction, Stephane Courtois, the chief
>>>editor and co-ordinator of the project, argued that mass
>>>murder and terror have been central characteristics of com-
>>>munism. “The facts are stubborn,” he writes. “They show that
>>>the Communist regimes committed crimes against about 100 million
>>>people, compared to about 25 million for the Nazis.”
>>> Some of M Courtois’s fellow authors however, have taken
>>>issue both with his highly charged conclusions and with
>
>> But there’s no MONEY in these victims of Communism, so who cares?
>>
>>Bob Whitaker
>
>
>And do not ever FORGET, that the communists were mainly damn JEWS!!!!
>
>
>
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>On 14 Jan 1999 01:08:16 GMT, [email protected] (PHILNANCY) wrote:
>>> Ed Kadach
>>>RABBI CHARGED IN WIFE’S DEATH
>>>Allegedly Hired Hit Man to Perform 1994 Killing
>>>Jan. 11, 1999
>>>By Michelle Gotthelf
>>>CAMDEN, N.J. (APB) — A once-prominent rabbi was indicted today on
>>>murder charges for allegedly hiring a hit man to bludgeon his wife to
>>>death in a robbery staged at their home, authorities said.
>>>AP
>>>Rabbi Fred J. Neulander
>>>Rabbi Fred J. Neulander, 57, of Cherry Hill, conspired to commit murder
>>>in the 1994 slaying of his 52-year-old wife, Carol, a Camden County
>>>grand jury concluded. She was found beaten to death on the couple’s
>>>living room floor, Camden County spokesman Greg Reinert told APB News.
>>>Prosecutors said Neulander became a suspect in his wife’s murder after
>>>rumors surfaced that he had been involved in numerous love affairs —
>>>one with a Philadelphia radio show host, who demanded he leave his wife
>>>and end his marriage. He was charged last September with arranging the
>>>killing.
>>>Prosecutors said it took awhile to compile enough evidence to charge and
>>>indict the former rabbi.
>>>Phony deliveryman
>>>Neulander said he found his wife’s body on Nov. 1, 1994, when he
>>>returned from the synagogue after an evening event. Her purse was
>>>missing, but no other valuables had been touched.
>>>Carol Neulander was killed by a hit man posing as a deliveryman,
>>>authorities said. They believe the same man came to the house two weeks
>>>earlier and handed her an envelope and asked to use the bathroom.
>>>According to the grand jury indictment, Neulander conspired with and
>>>acted as an accomplice of “a person or persons unknown” to carry out the
>>>slaying.
>>>He is free on $400,000 bail.
>>>Faces life imprisonment
>>>Investigators said Neulander told one of his lovers that he intended to
>>>marry her, but was concerned that a divorce would cost him his position
>>>at the reform synagogue he founded, Congregation M’Kor Shalom in Cherry
>>>Hill.
>>>Three months after his wife’s killing, Neulander resigned his position
>>>at the temple. He was then suspended from the Central Conference of
>>>American Rabbis, the nation’s Reform rabbinical organization, after
>>>admitting he became romantically involved with two congregants who went
>>>to him for counseling.
>>>Neulander is not charged with personally committing the homicidal acts
>>>and does not face the death penalty if convicted. He does, however, face
>>>life imprisonment with the possibility of parole after 30 years.
>>And what is the relevance of this to this NG?
>Why shouldn’t an article about a JEW rabbi murderer NOT be relevant??
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Subject: Re: PM Chretien controversy for excluding Polish Canadians on Auschwitz visit – Ottawa citizen -26Jan99
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On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:43:22 -0800, Stefan Lemieszewski
>http://www.southam.com/ottawacitizen/newsnow/cpfs/world/990125/w012509.html
>The Ottawa Citizen
>26Jan99
>Chretien faces controversy for excluding Polish Canadians on Auschwitz
>visit
>HELEN BRANSWELL
>WARSAW (CP) – Prime Minister Jean Chretien became embroiled Monday in
>the ongoing controversy over the commemoration of those who died at the
>Nazi death camp Auschwitz.
>Chretien faced criticism for not inviting representatives of the
>substantial Polish Canadian community to accompany him Sunday when he
>visited Auschwitz-Birkenau, where 1.5 million people, mainly Jews, were
>killed by the Nazis during the Second World War.
Cretin ignored the people of Polish and other ethnics..
>At a news conference Chretien held with Polish Prime Minister Jerzy
>Busek, a Polish journalist asked why Chretien’s delegation to Auschwitz
>didn’t include representatives of the “numerous population of Canadians
>of Polish decent” while representatives of the Canadian Jewish community
>did accompany him.
Actually, it was almost exclusively zhids who were with Cretin.
>The question echoes complaints the Polish Canadian Congress has been
>making in Canada.
>Chretien said his office had invited representatives of the Polish,
>Jewish and Ukrainian communities – he visits Ukraine later in the week –
>to accompany him on this trip to Europe, but that the Polish Canadian
>Congress declined when they learned their members would not be allowed
>to travel on the prime minister’s plane.
Only the zhids were allowed on the PM’s plane – is Cretin really a
JEW??
>”They were invited the same way that any other groups were invited,”
>Chretien said. “There was absolutely no change in the practice of the
>past.”
>What Chretien did not say was that the Polish Canadian Congress asked to
>be included in the delegation to Auschwitz when they learned the
>Canadian Jewish Congress and B’nai Brith would take part.
>They were turned down.
Only the cursed zhids were allowed with the PM.
>Later, the prime minister’s director of communications defended the
>decision not to include representatives of the other ethnic groups who
>died at Auschwitz.
The BS leader was a female zhid, according to reports in Canada.
>”There were many European nationalities victimized there,” Peter Donolo
>said. “The decision was taken not to single out any nationality. But because 90 per
>cent (of the people who died there) were Jewish, it was thought that was
>a very appropriate way to honour them.”
>Mordechai Ronen, who survived internment in Auschwitz, toured the
>facility with the prime minister’s entourage and presided over a brief
>prayer ceremony in which the Jewish prayer for the dead was recited.
>The preservation of Auschwitz has been an ongoing subject of
>controversy.
>Jewish leaders worldwide took offence when an order of Carmelite nuns
>opened a Roman Catholic convent at the edge of Birkenau – also known as
>Auschwitz 2 – in 1984 in memory of Christians, Polish and otherwise, who
>died in the camps.
>The convent later became a church after the nuns evacuated in 1993 at
>the behest of the Pope.
>But other efforts to mark the toll Auschwitz took on Polish Catholics
>have also raised the ire of the Jewish community.
>They have protested the erection of a large cross and dozens of smaller
>ones at a site adjacent to Auschwitz, where the Nazis murdered 152
>Polish resisters.
>Jewish organizations have called the crosses an insult to the memory of
>Jews killed at the camp, saying they give a false impression that
>mostly Christians were killed at the camps.
Since Oswiecim is in POland, it is the right of the Polish people to
do what THEY wish, in their country.
>Donolo noted that Chretien will pay homage to the toll Poland suffered
>during the Nazi occupation when he lays a wreath at the tomb of the
>unknown soldier and attends the dedication of a monument to Canadian and
>Polish units which fought together during the war.
>Chretien also noted that his entourage includes three members of
>Parliament of Polish descent.
Not Polish, but JEWS!!!
>”He considers that to be an eloquent statement of how involved that
>community is in Canada,” Donolo said.
> © The Canadian Press, 1999
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On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:13:45 +0100, mike muth
>> >>And what is the relevance of this to this NG?
>
>> >Why shouldn’t an article about a JEW rabbi murderer NOT be relevant??
>Mike
>On 14 Jan 1999 01:08:16 GMT, [email protected] (PHILNANCY) wrote:
>>> Ed Kadach
>>>RABBI CHARGED IN WIFE’S DEATH
>>>Allegedly Hired Hit Man to Perform 1994 Killing
>>>Jan. 11, 1999
>>>By Michelle Gotthelf
>>>CAMDEN, N.J. (APB) — A once-prominent rabbi was indicted today on
>>>murder charges for allegedly hiring a hit man to bludgeon his wife to
>>>death in a robbery staged at their home, authorities said.
>>>AP
>>>Rabbi Fred J. Neulander
>>>Rabbi Fred J. Neulander, 57, of Cherry Hill, conspired to commit murder
>>>in the 1994 slaying of his 52-year-old wife, Carol, a Camden County
>>>grand jury concluded. She was found beaten to death on the couple’s
>>>living room floor, Camden County spokesman Greg Reinert told APB News.
>>>Prosecutors said Neulander became a suspect in his wife’s murder after
>>>rumors surfaced that he had been involved in numerous love affairs —
>>>one with a Philadelphia radio show host, who demanded he leave his wife
>>>and end his marriage. He was charged last September with arranging the
>>>killing.
>>>Prosecutors said it took awhile to compile enough evidence to charge and
>>>indict the former rabbi.
>>>Phony deliveryman
>>>Neulander said he found his wife’s body on Nov. 1, 1994, when he
>>>returned from the synagogue after an evening event. Her purse was
>>>missing, but no other valuables had been touched.
>>>Carol Neulander was killed by a hit man posing as a deliveryman,
>>>authorities said. They believe the same man came to the house two weeks
>>>earlier and handed her an envelope and asked to use the bathroom.
>>>According to the grand jury indictment, Neulander conspired with and
>>>acted as an accomplice of “a person or persons unknown” to carry out the
>>>slaying.
>>>He is free on $400,000 bail.
>>>Faces life imprisonment
>>>Investigators said Neulander told one of his lovers that he intended to
>>>marry her, but was concerned that a divorce would cost him his position
>>>at the reform synagogue he founded, Congregation M’Kor Shalom in Cherry
>>>Hill.
>>>Three months after his wife’s killing, Neulander resigned his position
>>>at the temple. He was then suspended from the Central Conference of
>>>American Rabbis, the nation’s Reform rabbinical organization, after
>>>admitting he became romantically involved with two congregants who went
>>>to him for counseling.
>>>Neulander is not charged with personally committing the homicidal acts
>>>and does not face the death penalty if convicted. He does, however, face
>>>life imprisonment with the possibility of parole after 30 years.
>>And what is the relevance of this to this NG?
>Why shouldn’t an article about a JEW rabbi murderer NOT be relevant??
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Subject: Jews and White Slave Trade
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On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:43:43 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:29:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:26:24 -0400, “Dan Parker”
>>
>>>Traffickers’ New Cargo:
>>>Naive Slavic Women
>>>By MICHAEL SPECTER
>>>Ramle, Israel—Irina always assumed that her beauty would somehow rescue her
>>>from the poverty and hopelessness of village life. A few months ago, after
>>>answering a vague ad in a small Ukrainian newspaper, she slipped off a tour
>>>boat when it put in at Haifa, hoping to make a bundle dancing naked on the
>>>tops of tables.
>>>
>>>She was 21, self-assured and glad to be out of Ukraine. Israel offered a new
>>>world, and for a week or two everything seemed possible. Then, one morning,
>>>she was driven to a brothel, where her boss burned her passport before her
>>>eyes.
>>>
>>>“I own you,” she recalled his saying. “You are my property, and you will
>>>work until you earn your way out. Don’t try to leave. You have no papers and
>>>you don’t speak Hebrew. You will be arrested and deported. Then we will get
>>>you and bring you back.”
>>>
>>>It happens every single day. Not just in Israel, which has deported nearly
>>>1,500 Russian and Ukrainian women like Irina in the past three years. But
>>>throughout the world, where selling naive and desperate young women into
>>>sexual bondage has become one of the fastest-growing criminal enterprises in
>>>the robust global economy.
>>>
>>>The international bazaar for women is hardly new, of course. Asians have
>>>been its basic commodity for decades. But economic hopelessness in the
>>>Slavic world has opened what experts call the most lucrative market of all
>>>to criminal gangs that have flourished since the fall of Communism: Eastern
>>>European women with little to sustain them but their dreams. Pimps, law-
>>>enforcement officials and relief groups all agree that Ukrainian and Russian
>>>women are now the most valuable in the trade.
>>>
>>>Because their immigration is often illegal—and because some percentage of
>>>the women choose to work as prostitutes—statistics are difficult to assess.
>>>But the United Nations estimates that 4 million people throughout the world
>>>are trafficked each year—forced through lies and coercion to work against
>>>their will in many types of servitude. The International Organization for
>>>Migration has said that as many as 500,000 women are annually trafficked
>>>into Western Europe alone.
>>>
>>>Many end up like Irina. Stunned and outraged by the sudden order to
>>>prostitute herself, she simply refused. She was beaten and raped before she
>>>succumbed. Finally she got a break. The brothel was raided, and she was
>>>brought here to Neve Tirtsa in Ramle, the only women’s prison in Israel.
>>>Now, like hundreds of Ukrainian and Russian women with no documents or
>>>obvious forgeries, she is waiting to be sent home.
>>>
>>>“I don’t think the man who ruined my life will even be fined,” she said
>>>softly, slow tears filling her enormous green eyes. “You can call me a fool
>>>for coming here. That’s my crime. I am stupid. A stupid girl from a little
>>>village. But can people really buy and sell women and get away with it?
>>>Sometimes I sit here and ask myself if that really happened to me, if it can
>>>really happen at all.”
>>>
>>>Then, waving her arm toward the muddy prison yard, where Russian is spoken
>>>more commonly than Hebrew, she whispered one last thought: “I’m not the only
>>>one, you know. They have ruined us all.”
>>>
>>>Traffic Patterns: Russia and Ukraine Supply the Flesh
>>>
>>>Centered in Moscow and the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, the networks trafficking
>>>women run east to Japan and Thailand, where thousands of young Slavic women
>>>now work against their will as prostitutes, and west to the Adriatic Coast
>>>and beyond. The routes are controlled by Russian crime gangs based in
>>>Moscow. Even when they do not specifically move the women overseas, they
>>>provide security, logistical support, liaison with brothel owners in many
>>>countries and, usually, false documents.
>>>
>>>Women often start their hellish journey by choice. Seeking a better life,
>>>they are lured by local advertisements for good jobs in foreign countries at
>>>wages they could never imagine at home.
>>>
>>>In Ukraine alone, the number of women who leave is staggering. As many as
>>>400,000 women under 30 have gone in the past decade, according to their
>>>country’s interior ministry. The Thai Embassy in Moscow, which processes
>>>visa applications from Russia and Ukraine, says it receives nearly 1,000
>>>visa applications a day, most of these from women.
>>>
>>>Israel is a fairly typical destination. Prostitution is not illegal here,
>>>although brothels are, and with 250,000 foreign male workers—most of whom
>>>are single or here without their wives—the demand is great. Police officials
>>>estimate that there are 25,000 paid sexual transactions every day. Brothels
>>>are ubiquitous.
>>>
>>>None of the women seem to realize the risks they run until it is too late.
>>>Once they cross the border their passports will be confiscated, their
>>>freedoms curtailed and what little money they have taken from them at once.
>>>
>>>“You want to tell these kids that if something seems too good to be true it
>>>usually is,” said Lyudmilla Biryuk, a Ukrainian psychologist who has
>>>counseled women who have escaped or been released from bondage. “But you can
>>>’t imagine what fear and real ignorance can do to a person.”
>>>
>>>The women are smuggled by car, bus, boat and plane. Handed off in the dead
>>>of night, many are told they will pick oranges, work as dancers or as
>>>waitresses. Others have decided to try their luck at prostitution, usually
>>>for what they assume will be a few lucrative months. They have no idea of
>>>the violence that awaits them.
>>>
>>>The efficient, economically brutal routine—whether here in Israel, or in one
>>>of a dozen other countries—rarely varies. Women are held in apartments, bars
>>>and makeshift brothels; there they service, by their own count, as many as
>>>15 clients a day. Often they sleep in shifts, four to a bed. The best that
>>>most hope for is to be deported after the police finally catch up with their
>>>captors.
>>>
>>>Few ever testify. Those who do risk death. Last year in Istanbul, Turkey,
>>>according to Ukrainian police investigators, two women were thrown to their
>>>deaths from a balcony while six of their Russian friends watched.
>>>
>>>In Serbia, also last year, said a young Ukrainian woman who escaped in
>>>October, a woman who refused to work as a prostitute was beheaded in public.
>>>
>>>In Milan, Italy, a week before Christmas, the police broke up a ring that
>>>was holding auctions in which women abducted from the countries of the
>>>former Soviet Union were put on blocks, partially naked, and sold at an
>>>average price of just under $1,000.
>>>
>>>“This is happening wherever you look now,” said Michael Platzer, the Vienna,
>>>Austria-based head of operations for the U.N.’s Center for International
>>>Crime Prevention. “The Mafia is not stupid. There is less law enforcement
>>>since the Soviet Union fell apart and more freedom of movement. The earnings
>>>are incredible. The overhead is low—you don’t have to buy cars and guns.
>>>Drugs you sell once and they are gone. Women can earn money for a long
>>>time.”
>>>
>>>“Also,” he added, “the laws help the gangsters. Prostitution is semilegal in
>>>many places and that makes enforcement tricky. In most cases punishment is
>>>very light.”
>>>
>>>In some countries, Israel among them, there is not even a specific law
>>>against the sale of human beings.
>>>
>>>Platzer said that although certainly “tens of thousands” of women were sold
>>>into prostitution each year, he was uncomfortable with statistics since
>>>nobody involved has any reason to tell the truth.
>>>
>>>“But if you want to use numbers,” he said, “think about this. Two hundred
>>>million people are victims of contemporary forms of slavery. Most aren’t
>>>prostitutes, of course, but children in sweatshops, domestic workers,
>>>migrants. During four centuries, 12 million people were believed to be
>>>involved in the slave trade between Africa and the New World. The 200
>>>million—and many of course are women who are trafficked for sex—is a current
>>>figure. It’s happening now. Today.”
>>>
>>>Distress Calls: Far-Flung Victims Provide Few Clues
>>>
>>>The distress call came from Donetsk, the bleak center of coal production in
>>>southern Ukraine. A woman was screaming on the telephone line. Her sister
>>>and a friend were prisoners in a bar somewhere near Rome. They spoke no
>>>Italian and had no way out, but had managed, briefly, to get hold of a man’s
>>>cell phone.
>>>
>>>“Do you have any idea where they are, exactly?” asked Olga Shved, who runs
>>>La Strada in Kiev, Ukraine’s new center dedicated to fighting the
>>>trafficking of women in Eastern Europe and the countries of the former
>>>Soviet Union.
>>>
>>>The woman’s answer was no. Ms. Shved began searching for files and telephone
>>>numbers of the local consul, the police, anybody who could help.
>>>
>>>“Do they know how far from Rome they are?” she asked, her voice tightening
>>>with each word. “What about the name of the street or the bar? Anything will
>>>help,” she said, jotting notes furiously as she spoke. “We can get the
>>>police on this, but we need something. If they call back, tell them to give
>>>us a clue. The street number. The number of a bus that runs past. One thing
>>>is all we need.”
>>>
>>>Ms. Shved hung up and called officials at Ukraine’s Interior Ministry and
>>>the Foreign Ministry. Her conversations were short, direct and obviously a
>>>routine part of her job.
>>>
>>>That is because Ukraine—and to a lesser degree its Slavic neighbors Russia
>>>and Belarus—has replaced Thailand and the Philippines as the epicenter of
>>>the global business in trafficking women. The Ukrainian problem has been
>>>worsened by a ravaged economy, an atrophied system of law enforcement, and
>>>criminal gangs that grow more brazen each year. Young European women are in
>>>demand, and Ukraine, a country of 51 million people, has a seemingly endless
>>>supply. It is not that hard to see why.
>>>
>>>Neither Russia nor Ukraine reports accurate unemployment statistics. But
>>>even partial numbers present a clear story of chaos and economic
>>>dislocation. Federal employment statistics in Ukraine indicate that more
>>>than two-thirds of the unemployed are women. The government also keeps
>>>another statistic: employed but not working. Those are people who
>>>technically have jobs, and can use company amenities like day-care centers
>>>and hospitals. But they do not work or get paid. Three-quarters are women.
>>>And of those who have lost their jobs since the Soviet Union dissolved in
>>>1991, more than 80 percent are women.
>>>
>>>The average salary in Ukraine today is slightly less than $30 a month, but
>>>it is half that in the small towns that criminal gangs favor for recruiting
>>>women to work abroad. On average, there are 30 applicants for every job in
>>>most Ukrainian cities. There is no real hope; but there is freedom.
>>>
>>>In that climate, looking for work in foreign countries has increasingly
>>>become a matter of survival.
>>>
>>>“It’s no secret that the highest prices now go for the white women,” said
>>>Marco Buffo, executive director of On the Road, an antitrafficking
>>>organization in northern Italy. “They are the novelty item now. It used to
>>>be Nigerians and Asians at the top of the market. Now it’s the Ukrainians.”
>>>
>>>Economics is not the only factor causing women to flee their homelands.
>>>There is also social reality. For the first time, young women in Ukraine and
>>>Russia have the right, the ability and the willpower to walk away from their
>>>parents and their hometowns. Village life is disintegrating throughout much
>>>of the former Soviet world, and youngsters are grabbing any chance they can
>>>find to save themselves.
>>>“After the wall fell down, the Ukrainian people tried to live in the new
>>>circumstances,” said Ms. Shved. “It was very hard, and it gets no easier.
>>>Girls now have few opportunities yet great freedom. They see ‘Pretty Woman,’
>>>or a thousand movies and ads with the same point, that somebody who is rich
>>>can save them. The glory and ease of wealth is almost the basic point of the
>>>Western advertising that we see. Here the towns are dying. What jobs there
>>>are go to men. So they leave.”
>>>
>>>First, however, they answer ads from employment agencies promising to find
>>>them work in a foreign country. Here again, Russian crime gangs play a
>>>central role. They often recruit people through seemingly innocuous “mail
>>>order bride” meetings. Even when they do not, few such organizations can
>>>operate without paying off one gang or another. Sometimes want ads are
>>>almost honest, suggesting that the women can earn up to $1,000 a month as
>>>“escorts” abroad. Often they are vague or blatantly untrue.
>>>
>>>Recruiting Methods: Ads Make Offers Too Good To Be True
>>>
>>>One typical ad used by traffickers in Kiev last year read: “Girls: Must be
>>>single and very pretty. Young and tall. We invite you for work as models,
>>>secretaries, dancers, choreographers, gymnasts. Housing is supplied. Foreign
>>>posts available. Must apply in person.”
>>>
>>>One young woman who did, and made it back alive, described a harrowing
>>>journey. “I met with these guys, and they asked if I would work at a strip
>>>bar,” she said. “Why not, I thought. They said we would have to leave at
>>>once. We went by car to the Slovak Republic where they grabbed my passport.
>>>I think they got me new papers there, but threatened me if I spoke out. We
>>>made it to Vienna, then to Turkey. I was kept in a bar and I was told I owed
>>>$5,000 for my travel. I worked for three days, and on the fourth I was
>>>arrested.”
>>>
>>>Lately, the ads have started to disappear from the main cities—where the
>>>realities of such offers are known now. These days the appeals are made in
>>>the provinces, where their success is undiminished.
>>>
>>>Most of the thousands of Ukrainian women who go abroad each year are illegal
>>>immigrants who do not work in the sex business. Often they apply for a legal
>>>visa—to dance, or work in a bar—and then stay after it expires.
>>>
>>>Many go to Turkey and Germany, where Russian crime groups are particularly
>>>powerful. Israeli leaders say that Russian women—they tend to refer to all
>>>women from the former Soviet Union as Russian—disappear off tour boats every
>>>day. Officials in Italy estimate that at least 30,000 Ukrainian women are
>>>employed illegally there now.
>>>
>>>Most are domestic workers, but a growing number are prostitutes, some of
>>>them having been promised work as domestics only to find out their jobs were
>>>a lie. Part of the problem became clear in a two-year study recently
>>>concluded by the Washington-based nonprofit group Global Survival Network:
>>>Police officials in many countries just don’t care.
>>>
>>>The network, after undercover interviews with gangsters, pimps and corrupt
>>>officials, found that local police forces—often those best able to prevent
>>>trafficking—are least interested in helping.
>>>
>>>Gillian Caldwell of Global Survival Network has been deeply involved in the
>>>study. “In Tokyo,” she said, “a sympathetic senator arranged a meeting for
>>>us with senior police officials to discuss the growing prevalence of
>>>trafficking from Russia into Japan. The police insisted it wasn’t a problem,
>>>and they didn’t even want the concrete information we could have provided.
>>>That didn’t surprise local relief agencies, who cited instances in which
>>>police had actually sold trafficked women back to the criminal networks
>>>which had enslaved them.”
>>>
>>>Official Reactions: Best-Placed To Help, but Least Inclined
>>>
>>>Complacency among police agencies is not uncommon.
>>>
>>>“Women’s groups want to blow this all out of proportion,” said Gennadi
>>>Lepenko, chief of Kiev’s branch of Interpol, the international police
>>>agency. “Perhaps this was a problem a few years ago. But it’s under control
>>>now.”
>>>
>>>That is not the view at Ukraine’s parliament—which is trying to pass new
>>>laws to protect young women—or at the Interior Ministry.
>>>“We have a very serious problem here, and we are simply not equipped to
>>>solve it by ourselves,” said Mikhail Lebed, chief of criminal investigations
>>>for the Ukrainian Interior Ministry. “It is a human tragedy, but also,
>>>frankly, a national crisis. Gangsters make more from these women in a week
>>>than we have in our law-enforcement budget for the whole year. To be honest,
>>>unless we get some help we are not going to stop it.”
>>>
>>>But solutions will not be simple. Criminal gangs risk little by ferrying
>>>women out of the country; indeed, many of the women go voluntarily. Laws are
>>>vague, cooperation between countries rare and punishment of traffickers
>>>almost nonexistent. Without work or much hope of a future at home, an eager
>>>teen-ager will find it hard to believe that the promise of a job in Italy,
>>>Turkey or Israel is almost certain to be worthless.
>>>
>>>“I answered an ad to be a waitress,” said Tamara, 19, a Ukrainian prostitute
>>>in a massage parlor near Tel Aviv’s old Central Bus Station, a Russian-
>>>language ghetto for the cheapest brothels. “I’m not sure I would go back now
>>>if I could. What would I do there, stand on a bread line or work in a
>>>factory for no wages?”
>>>
>>>Tamara, like all other such women interviewed for this article, asked that
>>>her full name not be published. She has classic Slavic features, with long
>>>blond hair and deep green eyes. She turned several potential customers away
>>>so she could speak at length with a reporter. She was willing to talk as
>>>long as her boss was out. She said she was not watched closely while she
>>>remained within the garish confines of the “health club.”
>>>
>>>“I didn’t plan to do this,” she said, looking sourly at the rich red walls
>>>and leopard prints around her. “They took my passport, so I don’t have much
>>>choice. But they do give me money. And believe me, it’s better than anything
>>>I could ever get at home.”
>>>
>>>Yitzhak Tyler, the chief of undercover activities for the Haifa police, is a
>>>big, open-faced man who doesn’t mince words.
>>>
>>>“We got a hell of a problem on our hands,” he said. The port city of 200,000
>>>has become the easiest entryway for women brought to Israel to work as
>>>prostitutes—though by no means the only one. Sometimes they walk off tour
>>>boats, but increasingly they come with forged documents that enable them to
>>>live and work in Israel. These have often been bought or stolen from elderly
>>>Jewish women in Russia or Ukraine.
>>>
>>>“This is a sophisticated, global operation,” Tyler said. “It’s evil, and it’
>>>s successful because the money is so good. These men pay $500 to $1,000 for
>>>a Ukrainian or Russian woman. Do you understand what I am telling you? They
>>>will buy these women and make a fortune out of them.”
>>>
>>>To illustrate his point, Tyler grabbed a black calculator and started
>>>calling out the sums as he punched them in.
>>>“Take a small place,” he said, “with 10 girls. Each has 15 to 20 clients a
>>>day. Multiply that by say 200 shekels. So say 30,000 shekels a day comes in
>>>to each place. Each girl works 25 days a month. Minimum.”
>>>
>>>Tyler was busy doing math as he spoke. “So we are talking about 750,000
>>>shekels a month, or about $215,000. A man often owns five of these places.
>>>That’s a million dollars. No taxes, no real overhead. It’s a factory with
>>>slave labor. And we’ve got them all over Israel.”
>>>
>>>The Tropicana, in Tel Aviv’s bustling business district, is one of the
>>>busiest bordellos. The women who work there, like nearly all prostitutes in
>>>Israel today, are Russian. Their boss, however, is not.
>>>
>>>“Israelis love Russian girls,” said Jacob Golan, who owns this and two other
>>>clubs, and spoke willingly about the business he finds so “successful.”
>>>“They are blonde and good-looking and different from us,” he said, chuckling
>>>as he drew his hand over his black hair. “And they are desperate. They are
>>>ready to do anything for money.”
>>>
>>>Always filled with half-naked Russian women, the club is open around the
>>>clock. There is a schedule on the wall next to the receptionist—with each
>>>woman’s hours listed in a different color, and the days and shifts rotating,
>>>as at a restaurant or a bar. Next to the schedule a sign reads, “We don’t
>>>accept checks.” Next to that there is a poster for a missing Israeli woman.
>>>
>>>There are 12 cubicles at the Tropicana where 20 women work in shifts, eight
>>>during the daytime, 12 at night. Business is always booming, and not just
>>>with foreign workers. Israeli soldiers, with rifles on their shoulders,
>>>frequent the place, as do business executives and tourists.
>>>Golan was asked if most women who work at the club do so voluntarily. He
>>>laughed heartily.
>>>
>>>“I don’t get into that,” he said, staring vacantly across his club at four
>>>Russian women sitting on a low couch. “They are brought here and told to
>>>work. I don’t force them. I pay them. What goes on between them and the men
>>>they are with, how could that be my problem?”
>>>
>>>Deterrent Strategies: A System that Fails Those Who Testify
>>>
>>>Every once in a while, usually with great fanfare and plenty of advance
>>>notice, Golan gets raided. He pays a fine, and the women without good false
>>>documents are taken to prison.
>>>
>>>If they are deported, the charges against them are dropped. But if a woman
>>>wants to file a complaint, then she must remain in prison until a trial is
>>>held. “In the past four years,” Betty Lahan, prison director of Neve Tirtsa
>>>here, said, “I don’t know of a single case where a woman chose to testify.”
>>>
>>>Such punitive treatment of victims is the rule rather than the exception. In
>>>Italy, where the police say killings of women forced into prostitution
>>>average one a month, parliament tried to create a sort of witness protection
>>>program. But it only allowed women to stay in the country for one year and
>>>did nothing to hide their identities.
>>>
>>>“The deck is just so completely stacked against the women in all this,” said
>>>Daniella Pompei, an immigration specialist with the community of Sant’
>>>Egidio, the Catholic relief agency in Rome. “The police is the last place
>>>these women want to go.” She said that only 20 women had ever used the
>>>protection program.
>>>
>>>It is not clear who will stop the mob. On a trip to Ukraine late last year,
>>>Hillary Rodham Clinton spoke out about the new slave trade that has
>>>developed so rapidly there. The United States and the European Union have
>>>plans to work together to educate young women about the dangers of working
>>>abroad. Other initiatives, like stays of deportation for prisoners, victims’
>>>shelters and counseling, have also been discussed.
>>>
>>>“I don’t care about any of that,” said Lena, a young Latvian, one of the
>>>inmates waiting to be deported here. “I just want to know one thing. How
>>>will I ever walk down the street like a human being again?”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:07:33 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On 21 Dec 1997 22:03:53 GMT, George A. Miziuk
>>>[email protected] (GMC0633) writes: > The mantra of the Jews is to wail and moan about “antisemitism”. (And their
>>>> moaning does indeed have the insensity of religious fervour). According to the
>>>> Jews, generations of demonic Christians practiced racial/religious
>>>> discrimination against the Jews. The Jews claim that Christian mothers for
>>>> generations have nurtured their young with antisemitism as naturally as they
>>>> nurture them with milk.
>>>>
>>>> The phenomenon of “antisemitism” deserves critical study. Of course, the very
>>>> word antisemitism is itself a misnomer, a characteristic Jewish attempt to
>>>> obfuscate the issues at hand (we are not concerned here with Semites, but with
>>>> the racial/ethnic/cultural group of Jews; Jews imply here, incorrectly, that
>>>> criticism of them is criticism of all Semitic peoples). To listen to the Jews,
>>>> “antisemitism” goes back to Jesus Christ himself and to the Christian
>>>> scriptures.
>>>>
>>>> Having observed the Jews from childhood and sharing close contacts with them in
>>>> academia and in business, I have had considerable opportunity to speculate on
>>>> their “antisemitism.” I myself was raised to regard all humans as equals,
>>>> regardless of race/ethnicity/religion. Growing up, I felt, if anything, a
>>>> sympathy for the Jews (just because there was so much discussion, so much
>>>> literature published on the topic, I assumed that there must be something
>>>> legitimate to “antisemitism”). In vain, however, I sought within myself the
>>>> roots of some prejudice against the Jews. I came to the conclusion that all of
>>>> this moaning and groaning and shedding of crocodile tears is a lie. Moreover,
>>>> it is essentially racist and ethnocentric. It is shamelss deception used to
>>>> advance the interests of one group.
>>>>
>>>> Jews are uncanny in their ability at recognizing an opportunity to advance
>>>> their own economic/social/political/moral position by crying “antisemitism.”
>>>> They are strategists par excellance. How do they sniff out this “antisemitism”?
>>>> How do they learn to recognize an “antisemite”?
>>>
>>>This is a great parallel to the Fable of the “Boy who cried Wolf.”
>>>You should read the curriculum material that was imposed as a mandatory
>>>subject in New Jersey public schools for “Holocaust education.” The
>>>material is nothing but pure Jewish hatred against all Europeans.
>>>THIS is what they want to feed to all children?!
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On Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:04:28 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On 14 Dec 1998 05:44:48, [email protected] wrote:
>>>Subject: THE TORONTO SUN: Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>>>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:47:59 +0300
>>>THE TORONTO SUN, Sunday, December 13, 1998
>>>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>>>By ERIC MARGOLIS
>>>Contributing Foreign Editor
>
>>>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show
>>>trial of that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet,
>>>the 65th anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly
>>>ignored. Leftists now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be
>>>reminded of the Unknown Holocaust.
>>>
>>>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in
>>>Ukraine. Stalin determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent
>>>farmers – called kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to
>>>crush Ukraine’s growing spirit of nationalism.
>>>
>>> Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed
>>>terror and dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from
>>>Moscow
>>>- earlier versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian
>>>peasants into collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began
>>>selective executions of recalcitrant farmers.
>>>
>>>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number,
>>>OGPU was ordered to begin mass executions. But there were simply not
>>>enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many people, so Stalin
>>>decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of death – mass
>>>starvation.
>>>
>>>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were
>>>confiscated from Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator
>>>Mengistu Haile Mariam used the same method in the 1970s to force
>>>collectivization: the resulting famine cased one million deaths.)
>>>
>>>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail
>>>lines. Nothing came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and
>>>looted of food and fuel. Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger,
>>>cold and sickness.
>>>
>>>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent
>>>henchman Lazar Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance.
>>>Kaganovitch, the Soviet Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000
>>>Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of all Ukrainian intellectuals were
>>>executed. A Ukrainian party member named Nikita Khruschchev helped
>>>supervise the slaughter.
>>>
>>>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created
>>>by Kaganovitch and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets,
>>>boots and belts, plus bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant
>>>children.
>>>
>>>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s
>>>custom-made famine and Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day.
>>>The KGB’s archives, and recent work by Russian historians, show at
>>>least seven million died. Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine
>>>million, or higher. Twenty-five percent of Ukraine’s population was
>>>exterminated.
>>>
>>>Millions of victims
>>>
>>>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot
>>>during collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10
>>>million peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in
>>>Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in
>>>the USSR; massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial
>>>genocide accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20
>>>million war dead.
>>>
>>>Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were
>>>Jewish. The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the
>>>frightful crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine,
>>>the Baltic states and Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame
>>>the Jewish people for both communism and their suffering.
>>
>>When even a Jew writer admits the truth, perhaps Christmas is near??
>>
>>
>>As a direct
>>>result, during the subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the
>>>region’s innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by
>>>Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>>>
>>>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of
>>>Europe’s Jews by the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger
>>>holocaust in Ukraine has been suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s
>>>genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler began the Jewish Holocaust,
>>>and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before the world’s gaze. But
>>>Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or concealed by a
>>>left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day. In the
>>>strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>>>
>>>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney
>>>Webb and PM Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33
>>>and proclaimed reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not
>>>see one under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent
>>>Walter Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting,
>>>wrote claims of famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million
>>>people were dying around them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New
>>>York Times has never repudiated Duranty’s lies.
>>>
>>>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological
>>>and historical roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime –
>>>the inevitable result of enforced social engineering and Marxist
>>>theology.
>>>
>>>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the
>>>governments of Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the
>>>Ukrainian genocide and Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they
>>>eagerly welcomed him as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who
>>>Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,” murdered four times more people
>>>than Adolf Hitler.
>>>
>>>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were
>>>ever brought to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a
>>>few years ago, still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and
>>>enjoying a generous state pension.
>>>
>>>Eric can be reached by e-mail at: [email protected].
>>>
>>>Letters to the editor should be sent to: [email protected].
>>
>>
>>It seems that even a respected jewish author/writer is admitting that
>>it was the JEWS with the CHEKA/forerunners of the KGB who murdered
>>more than 25 million Ukrainians!!!
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Subject: Re: Murderous Rabbi Charged
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On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:09:27 +0100, mike muth
>Ed Kadach wrote:
>> Indeed, why would it not be relevant?
>
>This is soc.culture.GERMAN. The original post has nothing to do with
>Germany or German culture. (Or Russian, Polish, Ukrainian culture,
>either).
>Mike
Are there not despised Christkillers in every land, and the problems
they create?
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:13:45 +0100, mike muth
>> >>And what is the relevance of this to this NG?
>
>> >Why shouldn’t an article about a JEW rabbi murderer NOT be relevant??
>Mike
>On 14 Jan 1999 01:08:16 GMT, [email protected] (PHILNANCY) wrote:
>>> Ed Kadach
>>>RABBI CHARGED IN WIFE’S DEATH
>>>Allegedly Hired Hit Man to Perform 1994 Killing
>>>Jan. 11, 1999
>>>By Michelle Gotthelf
>>>CAMDEN, N.J. (APB) — A once-prominent rabbi was indicted today on
>>>murder charges for allegedly hiring a hit man to bludgeon his wife to
>>>death in a robbery staged at their home, authorities said.
>>>AP
>>>Rabbi Fred J. Neulander
>>>Rabbi Fred J. Neulander, 57, of Cherry Hill, conspired to commit murder
>>>in the 1994 slaying of his 52-year-old wife, Carol, a Camden County
>>>grand jury concluded. She was found beaten to death on the couple’s
>>>living room floor, Camden County spokesman Greg Reinert told APB News.
>>>Prosecutors said Neulander became a suspect in his wife’s murder after
>>>rumors surfaced that he had been involved in numerous love affairs —
>>>one with a Philadelphia radio show host, who demanded he leave his wife
>>>and end his marriage. He was charged last September with arranging the
>>>killing.
>>>Prosecutors said it took awhile to compile enough evidence to charge and
>>>indict the former rabbi.
>>>Phony deliveryman
>>>Neulander said he found his wife’s body on Nov. 1, 1994, when he
>>>returned from the synagogue after an evening event. Her purse was
>>>missing, but no other valuables had been touched.
>>>Carol Neulander was killed by a hit man posing as a deliveryman,
>>>authorities said. They believe the same man came to the house two weeks
>>>earlier and handed her an envelope and asked to use the bathroom.
>>>According to the grand jury indictment, Neulander conspired with and
>>>acted as an accomplice of “a person or persons unknown” to carry out the
>>>slaying.
>>>He is free on $400,000 bail.
>>>Faces life imprisonment
>>>Investigators said Neulander told one of his lovers that he intended to
>>>marry her, but was concerned that a divorce would cost him his position
>>>at the reform synagogue he founded, Congregation M’Kor Shalom in Cherry
>>>Hill.
>>>Three months after his wife’s killing, Neulander resigned his position
>>>at the temple. He was then suspended from the Central Conference of
>>>American Rabbis, the nation’s Reform rabbinical organization, after
>>>admitting he became romantically involved with two congregants who went
>>>to him for counseling.
>>>Neulander is not charged with personally committing the homicidal acts
>>>and does not face the death penalty if convicted. He does, however, face
>>>life imprisonment with the possibility of parole after 30 years.
>>And what is the relevance of this to this NG?
>Why shouldn’t an article about a JEW rabbi murderer NOT be relevant??
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:56:26 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 11:04:59 -0500, “Shabati..Zvi Äbuishneineh”
>
>>SJAFAR@newsnet., new wrote:
>>> Investigators reportedly have opened several graves of Yemenite Jewish
>>> babies and found them to be empty – a discovery that might support
>>> claims that Yemenite children were taken from their parents for adoption
>>> decades ago.
>>> For years, Yemenite activists have claimed hundreds of babies declared
>>> dead were actually given to adoptive parents of European descent. If the
>>> claims are true, it could further sour relations between Middle Eastern
>>> and European Jews in Israel.
>>> The four graves at Tel Aviv’s Givat Shaul cemetery were opened last
>>> Wednesday as part of an official investigation, with a rabbi and family
>>> members present.
>>>
>>> Wooden signs over the empty graves bore the names Ruthie Babu, Ruthie
>>> Cohen, Reuven Rafaelo and Moshe Mishraki, Israel TV reported Saturday.
>>> All were hospitalized when only a few months old. Their parents never
>>> saw them again, nor did they see a body or a death certificate.
>>>
>>> “Now there is no doubt that this was an affair of planned fraud in
>>> which funerals were staged and evidence was falsified,” said Ora
>>> Shifris, a spokesman for the Yemenite families.
>>>
>>> Hundreds of children disappeared during the mass immigration of Yemenite
>>> Jews in the early 1950s, when the immigrants were housed in tent camps.
>>> Camp officials and medical staff denied any wrongdoing, saying there was
>>> chaos in the camps, where many babies were sickly and died.
>>>
>>> Two other commissions have investigated the affair, but many families
>>> dismissed their inconclusive findings.
>>>
>>> In 1994, radical Yemenite activist Uzi Meshulam and a group of armed
>>> followers barricaded themselves in a house in Tel Aviv for six weeks to
>>> press demands for a new inquiry. One of the followers was killed in a
>>> shootout with police, and Meshulam is serving a 6 1/2-year prison term.
>>> But the confrontation created a furor that led to the current
>>> commission, which has subpoena powers.
>>>
>>> Israel’s 4.7 million Jews are roughly evenly divided between those of
>>> Middle Eastern and European descent, but the latter have always been
>>> dominant economically and socially.
>>
>>
>>Mr. Jafar.
>>1. The number of children exceeded the thousands, not hundreds.
>>2. Most of the low Paige and menial jobs are given to Arab Jews.
>>3. For economic reasons, most of the prostitutes in Israel are underage
>>Yemenites (and now Russian) Jewish little girls.
>>4. Rejecting the blood of the African Jews (the Falasha) is just on of
>>the facet of the fascist Zionist life. The Falasha Jews are prohibited
>>from performing marriages and funeral. Only Aryan Jews are allowed to do
>>that besides some Arab Jews who had to (convert) to Judaism, the Aryan
>>style.
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Subject: WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST, or just Holohoax?
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On Mon, 09 Nov 1998 19:32:06 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach
>>wrote:
>>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>>> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>>> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>>world’s sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>>actual took place.
>>>
>>> NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON’T ADD UP
>>>
>>> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>>population for that year amounted “to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine.”
>>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>>> With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>>holocaust “survivors” had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>>that in the Jews real “bible”, The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>>> The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>>having been put to death “in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”
>>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>>these figures which today are accepted as “gospel truth”.
>>> It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>>”extermination camp”.
>>>
>>> HIMMLER-“REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”
>>>
>>> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that “The death rate in the
>>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” (Source,
>>>Reitlinger’s book, “The Final Solution.”)
>>> The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler’s
>>>order on Jan 20, 1943, “Every means will be used to lower the
>>>death rates.” (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>>> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>>in the “shockingly high mortality figures.” (Source: Nuremberg
>>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>>2.8% in June 1943.
>>> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”
>>> With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>>”Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>>Criminals”. It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>>
>>> THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>>
>>> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>>states in the paper, “Books and Bookmen”, April 1975, page 5,
>>>”No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.”
>>> The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>>
>>> This brings up the following questions.
>>> 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>>> 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>>MASS GASSINGS!
>>> 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>>died from typhus.
>>> 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>>the response was always the same, “The detainees themselves have
>>>not spoken of them.” (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>>1946.)
>>>
>>> FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>>
>>> Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such “confessions” are about
>>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>>1936. The communists wrote the “Confession’ and Hoess signed it.
>>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>>died in his cell.
>>> Hoess statement read, “half an hour after having released the
>>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>>smoking.”
>>> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not “ventable”. The manufacturers state
>>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>>workers ran into the gas chamber “eating and smoking” – without
>>>gas masks – only minutes after the gassing – IF THIS OCCURRED
>>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>>
>>> GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>>
>>> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, “The Capture and Trial
>>>of Adolph Eichmann” pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>>”became immediately gaseous.”
>>> The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: “We know of
>>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air.”
>>>
>>> CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>>
>>> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), “We knew when the people
>>>were dead because their screaming stopped.” If anyone were
>>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>>which carry typhus.
>>>
>>> THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>>
>>> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT’S ALL! In these three
>>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>>ovens were very small with only 18′ doors and a time period of
>>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>>> A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>>William L. Shirer’s book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>>Reich.” It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company’s ovens.
>>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>>> “The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>>burning.”
>>> WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>>> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people – this would
>>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>>ashes.
>>> It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>>could be found. The official answer was that it was “taken to
>>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!”
>>>
>>> WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>>
>>> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>>1967. “It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>>systematic extermination in those camps.”
>>> Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: “I was at
>>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.”
>>> Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>>”The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie – the
>>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time.”
>>> Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. “The
>>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.”
>>>
>>> WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>>
>>> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>>holocaust which never occurred?
>>> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, “Not
>>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists.”
>>> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, “The
>>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>>will cowtow to the Jews.”
>>> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: “The shattering effect of
>>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews.”
>>> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>>condemned as being “anti-Semitic” and “insensitive” to holocaust
>>>victims.
>>> The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>>laws.
>>>
>>> A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>>
>>> The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>>38 years. When they don’t use the holocaust the money collection
>>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>>
>>> HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>>
>>> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>>Zionist political goals.
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Subject: Re: Jews and Communism
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On 10 Jan 1999 18:09:01 GMT, “nancy zeleznik”
>[email protected] wrote in message <[email protected]>…
>>On 10 Jan 1999 09:12:24 GMT, “nancy zeleznik”
>>
>>>Are one of a kind.I dare anyone to dispute this. Please try and dispute
>>>this. The Bolsheviks were mostly, mostly, JEWS.No hatred, just
>>>FACTS.Absolute FACTS.
>>You are too kind. Even in Russia, the people have started to awaken to
>>their slavery by the JEWS!!!
>>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:53:41 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:49:13 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>For those concerned about the mass murders by the Soviet JEWS and the
>>>>KGB, attached is an article for consideration
>>>
>>>
>>>>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism – Don’t Deny It
>>>>From: [email protected] (Roger Hughes)
>>>>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>>>>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation
>>>
>>>
>>>>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
>>>>
>>>>One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called “Russian
>>>>Revolution” of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>>>>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>>>>them, continue to condemn anyone as “anti-Semitic” who brings up these
>>>>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>>>>and lead revolutionary movement.
>>>>
>>>>First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism,Karl Marx,
>>>>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father’s side.
>>>>Whether he was a “religous” Jew is of no significant importance, since
>>>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>>>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>>>>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
>>>>
>>>>While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will
>>>>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let’s see the them deny the
>>>>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables
>>>>that passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington
>>>>D.C. during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The
>>>>following quotes are taken directly from documents available from the
>>>>U.S. Archives:
>>>>
>>>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>>>>general in Moscow, Summers: “Jews prominant in local Soviet
>>>>government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population….”
>>>>
>>>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
>>>>July 5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: “Fifty percent of Soviet
>>>>government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type.”
>>>>
>>>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>>>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>>>>Montgomey Shuyler: “It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>>>>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it’s
>>>>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
>>>>type.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
>>>>reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: “…(T)here
>>>>were 384 `commissars’ including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen,
>>>>22 Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had
>>>>come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the
>>>>Imperial Government.”
>>>>
>>>>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>>>>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>>>>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>>>>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>>>>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>>>>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>>>>Bolshevik party’s executive secretary and – as chairman of the Central
>>>>Executive Committee – head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>>>>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>>>>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>>>>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn),
>>>>foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev
>>>>(Rosenfeld) and Moisei Uritsky.
>>>>
>>>>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>>>>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: “The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>>>>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care
>>>>little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and
>>>>they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”
>>>>
>>>>The Netherlands’ ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>>>>”Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>>>>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>>>>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>>>>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>In case anyone thinks I’ve taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>>>>here’s three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>>>>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik
>>>>Propaganda Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the
>>>>Judiciary, United States Senate, 65th Congress:
>>>>
>>>>”We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>>>>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east
>>>>side of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the
>>>>American Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much
>>>>pleased that there was somebody who could speak English, and their
>>>>broken English showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A
>>>>number of these men called on me and were impressed with the strange
>>>>Yiddish element in this thing right from the beginning, and it soon
>>>>became evident that more than half the agitators in the socalled
>>>>Bolshevik movement were Jews…I have a firm conviction that this
>>>>thing is Yiddish, and that one of its bases is found in the east side
>>>>of New York…The latest startling information, given me by someone
>>>>with good authority, startling information, is this, that in December,
>>>>1918, in the northern community of Petrograd that is what they call
>>>>the section of the Soviet regime under the Presidency of the man known
>>>>as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff) out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be
>>>>real Russians, with the exception of one man, a Negro from America who
>>>>calls himself Professor Gordon.
>>>>
>>>>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>>>>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing
>>>>on the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and
>>>>I often remarked to my sister, ‘Well, what are we coming to anyway.
>>>>This all looks so Yiddish.’ Up to that time we had see very few Jews,
>>>>because there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in
>>>>Petrograd, but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of
>>>>the agitators were Jews.
>>>>
>>>>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>>>>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>>>>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now
>>>>that was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real
>>>>Russians did not take kindly to it.”
>>>>
>>>>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>>>>”anti-Semitic” and therefore unreliable, but they’d be wrong. Here’s a
>>>>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>>>>
>>>>”The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>>>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>>>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>>>>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>>>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>>>>physical forces, become a reality all over the world.” (The American
>>>>Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
>>>>
>>>>”There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>>>>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>>>>many of the highest ideals of Judaism.” (Jewish Chronicle, London
>>>>April, 4, 1919)
>>>>
>>>>”Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism.” (The American Bulletin,
>>>>Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>>>>
>>>>”In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>>>>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>>>>the total population.” (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
>>>>
>>>>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>>>>so-called “anti-Semitism” a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>>>>himself:
>>>>
>>>>”National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
>>>>customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as
>>>>an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>>>cannibalism…under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
>>>>death penalty.” (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>>>>
>>>>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>>>>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>>>>virtually untouched.
>>>>
>>>>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>>>>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>>>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>>>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920’s in one of the most vile
>>>>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, “Jews made up nearly 80
>>>>percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,” reports W. Bruce Lincoln,
>>>>an American professor of Russian history. . . ”
>>>>
>>>>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons
>>>>were murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of
>>>>them directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of
>>>>Jewish Communist bosses.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Roger Hughes
>>>>
>>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> http://www.natall.com
>>>> http://www.natvan.com
>>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Excellent post. These are facts that are not publicized. The average
>American knows very little about the history of America, let alone, the
>history and ideaology of communism. They digest Jewish propoganda like ”
>BIG MACs ” .The Jews are masters at puting thier agenda in front of all
>others and demanding sympathy. They have had centuries to practice thier
>skills. We must hand it to them, they are cunning and intelligent people,
>but, it also helps to own and control 75% of the world media.
>Wawrzek Zeleznik
>
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>On Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:05:12 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>Thanks for republishing all the jokes.
>People need a joke, so they can laugh at their misfortunes.
>I am sure that the Jews will thank you also.
>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:48:22 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>> >JEWISH JOKES
>>> >How was copper wiring invented?
>>> >Two Jews fighting over a penny!
>>> >How is Christmas celebrated in a Jewish home?
>>> >They put parking meters on the roof!
>>> >Why is money green?
>>> >Because Jews pick it before it’s ripe!
>>> >What candy did Hitler hate more then any other?
>>> >Jew Jew Beans… Although I heard he enjoyed them “roasted!”
>>> >If Tarzan and Jane were Jewish, what would Cheetah be?
>>> >A fur coat!
>>> >Why don’t Jews eat pork?
>>> >They may be a lot of things, but CANNIBALS they’re not!
>>> >Why aren’t Jews attacked by sharks?
>>> >Professional courtesy!
>>> >Do you know how to keep Jews out of a country club?
>>> >Let one in, and he’ll keep the rest out.
>>> >What’s the Jewish version of foreplay?
>>> >Half an hour of begging.
>>> >How can you tell the mother-in-law at a Jewish wedding?
>>> >She’s the one on her hands and knees picking up the rice!
>>> >Did you hear about the new tires, Firestein?
>>> >They not only stop on a dime, they also pick it up!
>>> >What’s the difference between a circumcision and crucifixion?
>>> >In a crucifixion, they throw the whole Jew out!
>>> >Why did the Jews wander in the desert for 40 years?
>>> >Someone dropped a quarter!
>>> >Why do Jews have such big noses?
>>> >Because air is free.
>>> >What did the Jewish mother ask her daughter when she learned she had
>>> >an affair?
>>> >Who catered it?
>>> >What happens when a Jew with an erection walks into a wall?
>>> >He breaks his nose.
>>> >What’s a Jewish dilemma?
>>> >Free ham.
>>> >What’s the difference between a Jewish bitch and a barracuda?
>>> >Nail polish.
>>> >What’s the difference between an elephant and a Jew?
>>> >An elephant eventually forgets.
>>> >A nigger was walking down the street, kicking some rubbish out of his
>>> >way, when he spotted something amid the trash that gleamed
>>> >strangely. It urned out to be an oddly shaped bottle, and when he
>>> >rubbed it, a Jewish genie appeared. “I’ll give you two wishes,” quipped
>>> >the genie. “Far out,” said the black man. “First, I want to be white,
>>> >uptight, and out of sight!” Second, I want to be surrounded by warm,
>>> >sweet pussy. So the genie turned him into a TAMPON! The moral of this
>>> >story:
>>> >You can’t get anything from a Jew without strings
>>> >attached!
>>> >How do you stop a Jewish girl from fucking you?
>>> >Marry her!
>>> >Why do jewish bitches only sleep with circumcised men?
>>> >They want 20% off everything!
>>> >What’s the difference between between karate and judo?
>>> >Karate is a form of self-defense, and judo is what bagels are made of.
>>> >Did you hear that the limbo was invented by the Jews?
>>> >Yeah, from sneaking into pay toilets.
>>> >What’s the definition of a queer Jew?
>>> >Someone that likes girls more then money.
>>> >What do you call ten Jewish bitches in a basement?
>>> >A WHINE cellar.
>>> >Why did the Jewish mother have herself entombed at Bloomingdales?
>>> >So her daughter would visit at least twice a week.
>>> >What’s the difference between a vulture and a Jew?
>>> >A vulture waits until you’re dead to eat your heart out!
>>> >On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:06:02 -0700, “WaRR”
>>> >wrote:
>>> >>what do you get when you cross a jewish women and an arab women??
>>> >>oil of no lay!!
>>> >>=what is the difference between karate and judo?
>>> >>karate is the art of self-defense, and judo is what bagels aremade of.
>>> >>=i knew a jewish woman once who thought the apostle’s creed was
>>> >>what fought rocky balboa.
>>> >>=what’s the difference between a jewish british princess and a toilet?
>>> >>a toilet doesn’t follow you around for 9 months after you use it.
>>> >>=did you hear that al italia and el al were merging to form a new airline?
>>> >>it’s called well i’ll tell ya.=what do you call a jewish woman’s waterbed?
>>> >>the dead sea. second prize: lake placid.
>>> >>=how was copper wire invented?
>>> >> by 2 jews fighting over a penny.
>>> >>=why are jewish men circumcised?
>>> >> because jewish women won’t buy anything unless it’s 20% off.
>>> >>=what do you call an uncircumcised jewish baby?
>>> >>a girl.
>>> >>=what do you get when you cross a jewish british princess & a computer?
>>> >>a computer that never goes down on you.
>>> >>=what’s a jewish british princess’ favorite wine?
>>> >> i wanna go to palmsprings.
>>> >>=how do you know a jewish british princess has an orgasm?
>>> >>she drops her nail file.
>>> >>=what do you have when you get 3 jewish british princesses together
>>> >>with 3 other women who have yeast infections?a whine and cheese party.
>>> >>=how many jewish british princesses does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
>>> >>two, one to get a diet coke and one to call daddy.
>>> >>=why do jewish girls like prostitution?
>>> >>because they can sell it again and again and again.
>>> >>=what’s the difference between a jewish british princess and jello?
>>> >>jello moves when you eat it.
>>> >>=how does a jewish british princess do it doggie style?
>>> >>she makes him beg for an hour.
>>> >>=what’s the difference between a jewish british princess and a catholic
>>> >>british princess?
>>> >>the catholic british princess has fake jewelry and real orgasms.
>>> >>=what’s the difference between jews and canoes?
>>> >>canoes tip. ( THIS ONE FREAKS ME OUT :)))))
>>> >>=what’s the difference between jews and pizzas?
>>> >>pizzas don’t scream when you put them in the oven.
>>> >>=what do you call a jewish piano?
>>> >>a cash register.
>>> >>=how many jews does it take to change a light bulb?
>>> >>none. they are used to sitting in the dark.
>>> >>=did you hear about the rabbi who did free circumcisions?
>>> >>he only took tips.
>>> >>=how many jews can you fit in a vw?
>>> >>two in the front, two in the back, and ten thousand in the ash tray.
>>> >>=a priest, a baptist minister, and a rabbi were asked how they would
>>> >>divide up some gold coins between themselves and god. the priest
>>> >>replied, “i’d draw a line down the middle of the room, throw the
>>> >>coins in the air, and whatever landed on one side goes to god,
>>> >>the other to me.” the minister replied, “i’d draw a circle in
>>> >>the middle of the room, and whatever lands inside is for god,
>>> >>outside for me.” the rabbi’s answer was, he wouldn’t draw any
>>> >>line, just throw the money in the air and whatever god caughthe could keep.
>>> >>=an italian, a jew, and a homosexual were walking down the street and
>>> >>were hit by the same bolt of lightning. next thing they know they’re
>>> >>in front of st. peter begging for a second chance. “ok,” he says,
>>> >>”but on one condition: you must give up that which you love the most.
>>> >>if you don’t, you go straight to hell.” after agreeing, they find
>>> >>themselves back on the street and they start walking again. a few
>>> >>blocks down they pass a pizza store. “i can’t help myself!” says the
>>> >>italian… he goes in, takes a bite of pizza, and poof!, he
>>> >>disappears. so the jew and the homosexual continue walking
>>> >>down the street. the jew sees a penny on the sidewalk. “i can’t
>>> >>help myself!” he says. he reaches for the penny and poof! the
>>> >>homosexual disappears.
>>> >>yours truly
>>> >>WaRR
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On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:13:54 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>Don’t also forget that murderers were welcomed as leaders of the cursed
>>Christkillers, such as Yitzhak Shamir the murderer leader of the STERN
>>GANG, and also Menachem Begin murderer leader of IRGUN!!!
>>On 8 Sep 1997 17:08:22 GMT, “Jan”
>>>> On Tue, 29 Jul 1997 20:45:54 -0700, Tom Davenport
>>>> >ZIONIST MASSACRES IN 1948: New evidence
>>>> >The following article (3160 words!) was published in the Hebrew daily Ha’ir
>>>> >on 6 May 1992. It contains new revelations about war crimes committed by
>>>> >the Zionist forces in 1948 against Palestinian Arabs.
>>
>>>> >There are a number of reasons why the publication of this information is
>>>> >important:
>>
>>>> >1. It shows once more and through the pen of Israeli historians what
>>>> >motivated the Palestinian Arabs to flee in 1948.
>>
>>>> >2. It shows how the Zionist establishment has attempted and still attempts
>>>> >to hide the truth about the massacres of Palestinians in the 1948 War.
>>
>>>> >3. It exposes the fallacy according to which it was mainly right-wing
>>>> >Zionists (the terrorist groups IZL and LEHI led by Menahem Begin and
>>>> >Yitzhak Shamir) who committed atrocities against Palestinian Arabs in
>>>> >1948.
>>>> >In fact, most atrocities and massacres were committed by ‘nice Jewish boys
>>>> >and girls’, from the Labour movement, may of whom grew up in kibbutzim
>>>> >in a humanist environment.
>>
>>>> >4. It exposes the myth, entertained in the West, according to which
>>>> >Israel’s practices towards Palestinians worsened when the right-wing
>>>> >Likud came to power.
>>
>>>> >5. It documents the development of a growing awareness among Israeli
>>>> >intellectuals of the need to face the past with honesty. This is a
>>>> >rather recent and salutary phenomenon.
>>
>>>> >An appendix to the article includes summary descriptions of some other
>>>> >massacres (published along the article in Ha’ir).
>>
>>>> >Elias Davidsson translated from Hebrew and added some explanatory notes
>>
>>
>>>>—————————————————————————
>>
>>>> > NOT ONLY DEIR YASSIN
>>
>>>> > By Guy Erlich, Ha’ir, 6 May 1992
>>
>>>> >After Lydda (1) gave up the fight, a group of stubborn Arab fighters
>>>> >barricaded themselves in the small mosque. The commander of the
>>>> >Palmach’s(2) 3d Battalion, Moshe Kalman, gave an order to fire a number
>>>> >of blasts towards the mosque. The soldiers who forced their way into the
>>>> >mosque were surprised to find no resistance. On the walls of the mosque
>>>> >they found the remains of the Arab fighters. A group of between twenty to
>>>> >fifty Arab inhabitants was brought to clean up the mosque and bury the
>>>> >remains. After they finished their work, they were also shot into the
>>>> >graves they dug.
>>
>>>> >The Jewish American journalist Dan Kurtzman, heard this testimony from
>>>> >Moshe Kalman, who has meanwhile died, while he was writing his book ‘In
>>>> >the Beginning 1948 (Bereshit 1948)’ about the War of Independence. As
>>>> >Kurtzman did not want to hurt the State of Israel, he did not include this
>>>> >testimony, but told this story to Israeli historian Aryeh Yitzhaki, when
>>>> >they met in the IDF archives, when Kurtzman was there working on his
>>>> >book.
>>>> >Kurtzman, who is now visiting Israel in connection with his new book
>>>> >(incidentally, these days a new edition of his older book is coming out),
>>>> >confirmed – after some hesitation – that he heard this testimony from
>>>> >Moshe Kalman.
>>
>>>> >Since its establishment, the State of Israel keeps a conspiracy of silence
>>>> >concerning massacres committed in the War of Independence (4). The only
>>>> >massacre acknowledged in official publications is that of Deir Yassin,
>>>> >perhaps because it was perpetrated by the IZL (Irgun). Books and press
>>>> >reports have referred to dozens of cases, but only partially and
>>>> >incompletely. Yitzhaki corroborates this impression: ‘I read all the
>>>> >documents in the IDF archives written about the War of Independence. In
>>>> >the course of years I became especially alert to anything concerning the
>>>> >massacres.’ Yitzhaki is a lecturer in the Bar Ilan University [Tel Aviv]
>>>> >in the Faculty of Eretz Yisrael Studies (5) and is also senior lecturer in
>>>> >the field of military history in IDF courses for officers. In the sixties he
>>>> >served as director of the IDF archives within the framework of his IDF
>>>> >service in his capacity as historian.
>>
>>>> >Yitzhaki assembled all the testimonies and documents concerning the
>>>> >subject matter and waited for the right time to publish. ‘The time has come’ he
>>>> >says, ‘for a generation has passed, and it is now possible to face the
>>>> >ocean of lies (6) in which we were brought up. In almost every conquered
>>>> >village in the War of Independence, acts were committed, which are
>>>> >defined as war crimes, such as indiscriminate killings, massacres and rapes. I
>>>> >believe that such things end by surfacing. The only question is how to
>>>> >face such evidence.’
>>
>>>> >According to Yitzhaki, about ten major massacres were committed in the
>>>> >course of the War of Independence (i.e. more than fifty victims in each
>>>> >massacre) and about hundred smaller massacres (of individuals or small
>>>> >groups). According to him, these massacres had an enormous impact on the
>>>> >Arab population, by inducing their from the country.
>>
>>>> >Yitzhaki: ‘For many Israelis it was easier to find consolation in the lie,
>>>> >that the Arabs left the country under orders from their leaders. This is an
>>>> >absolute fabrication. The fundamental cause of their flight was their fear
>>>> >from Israeli retribution and this fear was not at all imaginary. From
>>>> >almost each report in the IDF archives concerning the conquest of Arab
>>>> >villages between May and July 1948 – when clashes with Arab villagers were
>>>> >the fiercest – a smell of massacre emanates. Sometimes the report tells
>>>> >about blatant massacres which were committed after the battle, sometimes
>>>> >the massacres are committed in the heat of battle and while the villages
>>>> >are “cleansed”. Some of my colleagues, such as Me’ir Pa’il, don’t consider
>>>> >such acts as massacres. In my opinion there is no other term for such acts
>>>> >than massacres. This was at the time the rule of the game. It was a dirty
>>>> >war on both sides. This phenomenon spread out in the field; there were
>>>> >no explicit orders to exterminate. In the first phase a village was usually
>>>> >subjected to heavy artillery from distance. Then soldiers would assault the
>>>> >village. After giving up resistance, the Arab fighters would withdraw while
>>>> >attempting to snipe at the advancing forces. Some would not flee and would
>>>> >remain in the village, mainly women and old people. In the course of
>>>> >cleansing we used to hit them. One was ‘tailing the fugitives’, as it used
>>>> >to be called (‘mezanvim baborchim’). There was no established battle
>>>> >procedure as today, namely that when blowing up a house, one has first to
>>>> >check whether civilians are still inside. In a typical battle report about
>>>> >the conquest of a village we find: ‘We cleansed a village, shot in any
>>>> >direction where resistance was noticed. After the resistance ended, we also
>>>> >had to shoot people so that they would leave or who looked dangerous’.
>>
>>>> >The historian Uri Milstein, a myth-shatterer, corroborates Yitzhaki’s
>>>> >assessment regarding the massacres’ extent and goes even further. ‘If
>>>> >Yitzhaki claims that almost in every village there were murders, then I
>>>> >maintain that even before the establishment of the State, each battle
>>>> >ended
>>>> >with a massacre. In all Israel’s wars massacres were committed but I
>>>> >have
>>>> >no doubt that the War of Independence was the dirtiest of them all. All
>>>> >over the world, massacres constitute an integral part of the norm of war
>>>> >and it is in fact the fundamental basis of human conduct in a situation
>>>> >of
>>>> >battle. The idea behind a massacre is to inflict a shock on the enemy,
>>>> >to
>>>> >paralyze the enemy. In the War of Independence everybody massacred
>>>> >everybody, but most of the action happened between Jews and
>>>> >Palestinians.’
>>>> >
>>>> >Milstein adds: ‘In my opinion, the regular armies of Arab states were
>>>> >less
>>>> >barbaric than the Jews and the Palestinians. Until the entry into the
>>>> >battle of the Arab armies, the concept of taking prisoners was unknown.
>>>> >The
>>>> >regular armies, especially that of Jordan and Egypt, were the first in
>>>> >the
>>>> >region who did not kill prisoners, as a matter of principle. Not that
>>>> >they
>>>> >were exceptional, but they killed the least of all, relatively speaking.
>>>> >The Jordanian Legion even succeeded to stop Palestinians of massacring
>>>> >Jews
>>>> >in Gush Etzion, at least in a part of this area. The education in the
>>>> >Yishuv (7) at that time had it that the Arabs would do anything to kill
>>>> >us
>>>> >and therefore we had to massacre them. A substantial part of the Jewish
>>>> >public was convinced that the most cherished wish of say, a nine-year
>>>> >old
>>>> >Arab child, was to exterminate us. This belief bordered on paranoia.’
>>>> >
>>>> >A careful study reveals that until today over twenty massacres were
>>>> >publicly reported. The testimonies were not published in one collection,
>>>> >a
>>>> >fact which adds to this phenomenon another dimension. At least eight
>>>> >massacres were described by Benny Morris in his book ‘The Birth of the
>>>> >Palestine Refugee Problem’. Two cases were reported in Milstein’s books.
>>>> >Two cases are reported in the book of Palestinian historian Arif
>>>> >al-Arif.
>>>> >The rest were reported in novels, memories and the press. But it appears
>>>> >that at least eight more massacres were committed which are reported
>>>> >here
>>>> >for the first time. Two of them were discovered by Yitzhaki, three by
>>>> >Milstein, one case was revealed by Kurtzman and was presented in the
>>>> >introduction to this reportage. One case was brought to our knowledge by
>>>> >a
>>>> >kibbutz member who wishes to remain anonymous and one more case was
>>>> >revealed by Dov Yirmiya.
>>>> >
>>>> >The testimonies concerning the massacres, revealed here for the first
>>>> >time
>>>> >by Yitzhaki, are kept in the IDF archives. Those who wish to study the
>>>> >documents in question confront a blank refusal. The director, Miki
>>>> >Kaufman:
>>>> >’If you are looking for what I believe you are looking for, then you can
>>>> >forget it. In any case, just keep in mind that we are reading over any
>>>> >documents before you are allowed to see them and we cull out material
>>>> >that
>>>> >you should not see’.
>>>> >
>>>> >A person who already had to face this barrage is Benny Morris. He
>>>> >addressed
>>>> >himself to the State Archivist to get a report by the
>>>> >government-nominated
>>>> >Shapira Committee, on killings in the War of Independence, but his
>>>> >request
>>>> >was denied.
>>>> >
>>>> >’The Archivist refused to let me see the report and I went then to the
>>>> >Supreme Court. According to the [State] Archives Law (1953), access is
>>>> >open
>>>> >to documents concerning [government] policies and political matters
>>>> >after
>>>> >30 years and documents related to security matters after 50 years. As
>>>> >the
>>>> >report by the Shapira committee is a political document issued by the
>>>> >Ministry of Justice, it was to be accessible by the public. But after I
>>>> >entered my request to the State Archivist and to the courts, the State
>>>> >Prosecutor and the Archivist made me a trick. It appeared that by
>>>> >convening
>>>> >a special meeting of at least two Cabinet members – in this case Arens
>>>> >and
>>>> >Sharir – it was possible to extend indefinitely the classified status of
>>>> >any archived document by arguing that disclosure might endanger state
>>>> >security. The meeting was duly convened and the document was
>>>> >reclassified
>>>> >(…)’
>>>> >
>>>> >But Yitzhaki kept the testimonies. The first case he presents happened
>>>> >in
>>>> >Tel Gezer. A soldier of the Kiryati Brigade (…) testifies that his
>>>> >colleagues got hold of ten Arab men and two Arab women, a young one and
>>>> >an
>>>> >old one. All the men were murdered. The young woman was raped and her
>>>> >destiny was unknown. The old woman was murdered. Yitzhaki tells that he
>>>> >discovered the testimony in a specific folder containing testimonies
>>>> >from
>>>> >Guard Units (Kheil Mishmar) in the IDF archives. Later he also obtained
>>>> >an
>>>> >oral testimony about this event from a person who wished to remain
>>>> >anonymous.
>>>> >
>>>> >Another case happened in Ashdod. Towards the end of August 1948, the
>>>> >Giv’ati Brigade executed the ‘Cleansing Campaign’ (Mivtza Nikayon) in
>>>> >Ashdod’s dunes. This happened after the forced landing of an Israeli
>>>> >plane
>>>> >in the area and the killing of his eight passengers by locals. A company
>>>> >of
>>>> >mounted cavalry, jeeps and Giv’ati fighters went to comb the area. In
>>>> >the
>>>> >course of this action, and according to a conservative estimate, ten
>>>> >farmers (‘fellahin’) were murdered. Yitzahki says that evidence about
>>>> >that
>>>> >can be found in the campaign chronicle of Giv’ati in the IDF archives
>>>> >and
>>>> >in the second chapter of the book on the Giv’ati Brigade.
>>>> >
>>>> >’Apart from these cases’, says Yitzhaki, ‘there are more cases described
>>>> >in
>>>> >IDF’s archives, but I don’t want to disclose them at this stage. I will
>>>> >yet
>>>> >write a book.’
>>>> >
>>>> >The historian Uri Milstein presented in his book series ‘The History of
>>>> >the
>>>> >War of Independence’ a number of massacres. Three more cases came to his
>>>> >knowledge after he finished writing. One case happened in Ayn Zaytoon.
>>>> >According to Milstein two massacres happened there in addition to the
>>>> >case
>>>> >described by Netiva Ben Yehuda in her book ‘Within the Bounds’ (mibe’ad
>>>> >la’avutot). Milstein possesses a testimony from a soldier named Aharon
>>>> >Yo’eli: ‘Three men from Safad came to Ayn Zaytoon, they took 23 Arabs,
>>>> >told
>>>> >them they were murderers and gangsters, took from them their watches and
>>>> >put them in their pockets, led them over the hills and killed them. This
>>>> >was the revenge of the Jews of Safad. I understood that our commanders
>>>> >were
>>>> >looking for additional killers to execute such jobs. Not everybody in
>>>> >Safad
>>>> >was a Hassid [strictly observing Jew]. In my opinion this was not the
>>>> >execution of prisoners but the killing of Arab murderers. The rest were
>>>> >expelled in the direction of the Germak that same evening and to make
>>>> >them
>>>> >go fast, we shot at them.’ The second case was reported to Milstein by a
>>>> >soldier named Yitzhak Golan, as he referred to thirty prisoners who were
>>>> >brought to interrogation in Har Kna’an: ‘The men of the Intelligence
>>>> >Unit
>>>> >interrogated them and after the interrogation the question came up what
>>>> >to
>>>> >do with them. We were told to take them down to the Rosh Pina police
>>>> >station. On the way they attempted to escape so we shot at them. There
>>>> >was
>>>> >no alternative. The danger was that they might reach Safad and would
>>>> >tell
>>>> >there how few weapons and manpower we had. It is possible that they were
>>>> >killed chained. Next morning a platoon was sent to bury them’.
>>>> >
>>>> >Another case happened in Caesarea. In February 1948 the Fourth Battalion
>>>> >of
>>>> >the Palmach forces, under the command of Josef Tabenkin (8), conquered
>>>> >Caesarea. According to Milstein, all those who did not escape from the
>>>> >village were killed. Milstein gleaned testimonies about this fact from
>>>> >fighters who participated in the conquest.
>>>> >
>>>> >A member of Kibbutz Be’eri, who was assigned to the Guard Milices for a
>>>> >short time, reveals another unpublished case about the murder of an Arab
>>>> >soldier: ‘We were in the strong point in the Wadi Ara area, near Giv’at
>>>> >Ada. Not far away was a post of Palestinians who fired from time to time
>>>> >at
>>>> >us. One night we raided their post and brought back a prisoner for
>>>> >interrogation. One of the soldiers of the Guard Milices took the
>>>> >prisoner
>>>> >after interrogation, beheaded him and with a knife scalped the head. No
>>>> >one
>>>> >present tried to stop him. He then tied the skin to a high pole facing
>>>> >the
>>>> >Palestinian post to inspire a deadly fear among the Palestinians. This
>>>> >soldier was later brought to the battalion commander for trial.’
>>>> >
>>>> >On 20 May 1948 the Karmeli Brigade conquered the village Kabri. Dov
>>>> >Yirmiya, who was a company commander in the 21th battalion, tells:
>>>> >’Kabri
>>>> >was conquered without a fight. Almost all inhabitants fled. One of the
>>>> >soldiers, Yehuda Reshef, who was together with his brother among the few
>>>> >rescapees from the Yehi’am convoy, got hold of a few youngsters who did
>>>> >not
>>>> >escape, probably seven, ordered them to fill up some ditches dug as an
>>>> >obstacle and then lined them up and fired at them with a machine gun. A
>>>> >few
>>>> >died but some of the wounded succeeded to escape. The battalion
>>>> >commander
>>>> >did not react. Receive was a brave fighter and as a rescapee from the
>>>> >Yehi’am convoy, enjoyed special status in the battalion. He advanced
>>>> >later
>>>> >to the grade of Brigadier General. He justified his action as an act of
>>>> >revenge.’
>>>> >
>>>> >’When the action ended, we left, namely the battalion commander Dov
>>>> >Tschitchiss, Education Officer Tzadok Eshel, the driver and myself. We
>>>> >drove over fields to Nahariya. While driving we saw refugees escaping to
>>>> >the North. The battalion commander ordered the driver to stop and went
>>>> >with
>>>> >the driver and the Education Officer to chase an Arab who was escaping
>>>> >with
>>>> >a girl eight or nine years old. I heard shots and had scarcely the time
>>>> >to
>>>> >understand what happened. When they returned, the battalion commander
>>>> >declared: We killed them. I asked: The girl too? And he answered to me:
>>>> >No,
>>>> >no, we did not kill the girl’.
>>>> >
>>>> >The Education Officer, Tzadok Eshel, has already forgotten about the
>>>> >episode. ‘In our Carmeli Brigade’, he said, ‘we did not commit
>>>> >massacres. I
>>>> >can tell you about the massacre that the IZL people did in Haifa. It was
>>>> >typical for the IZL and the LEHI, not to us. It was totally outside our
>>>> >way
>>>> >of thinking. There was the case of an officer who wanted to loot a
>>>> >village
>>>> >but they did not allow him.’ After hearing the testimony of Yermiya,
>>>> >Eshel
>>>> >changed his version: ‘Did I tell you about this case, no?…Probably I
>>>> >forgot…Yes, there was in fact one case where we drove in a jeep and an
>>>> >officer, I don’t remember who, but I don’t think it was the battalion
>>>> >commander, wanted to shoot down an Arab with a girl. I told him that if
>>>> >he
>>>> >will fire at them, I will shoot at him. When we returned to the jeep I
>>>> >felt
>>>> >good that I succeeded to stop such a thing.’ – Yirmiya, in his testimony
>>>> >mentions [however] shots’, -‘I don’t at all remember that I was in the
>>>> >jeep. I was in the area. I tell you, you better leave these things.
>>>> >There
>>>> >were no such things.’
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>—————————————————————————
>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >Notes by Elias Davidsson
>>>> >
>>>> > (1) Lydda: An Arabic town between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Most of
>>>> > its inhabitants were expelled in 1948 under written orders by
>>>> > Yitzhak Rabin.
>>>> >
>>>> > (2) Palmach: Shock troops of the Labour-controlled Hagana forces.
>>>> >
>>>> > (3) IDF: Israel Defense Forces.
>>>> >
>>>> > (4) The War of Independence is the name given by Zionists. The
>>>> > Palestinian Arab call this war the Naqba (The Tragedy). Less
>>>> > loaded names might be The First Zionist-Palestinian War, or the
>>>> > War of 1947-1948.
>>>> >
>>>> > (5) Eretz Yisrael: The Hebrew name for the area of Mandatory
>>>> > Palestine (from the Jordan to the Mediterranean sea).
>>>> >
>>>> > (6) One of the most potent lies, disseminated in the whole world,
>>>> > was that the Palestinian Arabs left their homes under explicit
>>>> > orders by Arab leaders outside Palestine. There is no evidence
>>>> > for this claim, but it has served Israel very well for at least
>>>> > 15 years after its establishment, especially in the West.
>>>> >
>>>> > (7) Yishuv: Jewish society in Mandatory Palestine.
>>>> >
>>>> > (8) One of the leaders of the leftist Zionist Ahdut Avoda
>>>> > movement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Apartheid: Israeli Style
>>>
>>>
>>>Definition [Bosman et al- Bilingual Dictionary: Afrikaans-English&Eng.-Afr]
>>>apartheid: apartness, separatness; racial separation or segregation
>>>
>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli Prime Minister, in a speech 23 January 1995 in
>>>Jerusalem: “We want to attain separation between us and you. … In the
>>>course of the near and the far future, we will attain a separation between
>>>us and you, but not on the basis of the lines that existed prior to the
>>>Six-Day War.”
>>>
>>>Historical Background:
>>>
>>>From the late Roman Empire (about 200 AD) until around 1780 Jewish
>>>communities held considerable legal powers over their members. The precepts
>>>of religion governed the details of daily behavior in all aspects of life
>>>(both social and private) among the Jew themselves as well as their
>>>relations with non-Jews. Rabbinical courts had the power of coercion
>>>supported and encouraged by the state authorities in both Christian and
>>>Muslim realms. The observance of the religious laws of Judaism, as well as
>>>their inculcation through education, were enforced on Jews by physical
>>>coercion.
>>>
>>>With the advent of the modern state the Jewish community lost its power of
>>>coercion- to punish or intimidate the individual Jew. The bonds of one of
>>>the most closed of all closed societies, one of the most totalitarian
>>>societies in the entire history of mankind, were broken. This act of
>>>liberation came from outside. Thus, it was easy to ally the cause of
>>>reaction with patriotism. It was exceedingly easy among the Jews,
>>>especially in Israel, to mount a very effective attack against all the
>>>notions and ideals of humanism and the ‘rule of law’ (not to mention
>>>democracy) as something ‘un-Jewish’ (as in fact they are, in an historical
>>>sense)- principles which may be used in the ‘Jewish interest,’ but which
>>>have no validity against the ‘Jewish interest’ (as for example when the
>>>Arabs invoke these same principles).
>>>
>>>Thus, the word ‘Jewry’ and its cognates describe two different and even
>>>contrasting social groups: one the authoritarian society of “Classical
>>>Judaism,” and the other the Jew freed from the tyranny of his own religion-
>>>free to read and write books in Hebrew not approved by the rabbis; free to
>>>eat non-kosher foods; free to ignore the numerous absurd taboos regulating
>>>sexual life, etc. However, because of current Israeli policies (both Labor
>>>and Likud) the continuum between the two is fast disappearing.
>>>
>>>Religious Background:
>>>
>>>Judaism is not a ‘biblical religion’ in the Christian sense where the Bible
>>>is the center and legal authority. In Judaism the Old Testament has no such
>>>place in that in matters of belief there is great latitude. However, the
>>>legal interpretation of sacred texts is rigidly fixed by the Talmud rather
>>>than by the Bible. Orthodox Judaism regards the Old Testament as a text of
>>>immutable formulas, whose recitation is an act of great merit, but where
>>>meaning is wholly determined elsewhere.
>>>
>>>The legal system of the Talmud is totally comprehensive, authoritarian and
>>>capable of infinite development, but without change to its dogmatic base.
>>>The basic rules for every problem are stated dogmatically and cannot be
>>>questioned.
>>>
>>>The cabbala- Jewish mysticism developed in the 12th- 13th Centuries. The
>>>Jewish Enlightenment had to fight this mysticism and its influence. In
>>>latter-day Jewish Orthodoxy, especially among the rabbis, the influence of
>>>the cabbala has remained predominant. The right-wing settler movement Gush
>>>Emunim is inspired to a great extent by cabbalistic ideas.
>>>
>>>Halakhah- legal system of classical Judaism (c. 800-1870), continued in the
>>>form of Orthodox Judaism and primarily based on the Babylonian Talmud.
>>>
>>>”Classical Judaism:”
>>>
>>>The Talmud and post-Talmudic rabbinical law recognize converts to Judaism,
>>>provided the conversion is performed by authorized rabbis in a correct
>>>manner. For females the “correct manner” includes their inspection by three
>>>rabbis while naked in a ‘bath of purification.’
>>>
>>>In the Hatanya (the fundamental book of the Habbad movement- one of the
>>>most important branches of Hassidism and until recently headed up by the
>>>so-called Lubavitcher rabbi M.M. Schneurssohn of New York) all non-Jews are
>>>totally satanic creatures ‘in whom there is absolutely no good.’ Even a
>>>non-Jewish embryo is qualitatively different from a Jewish one. The very
>>>existence of a non-Jew is ‘inessential,’ whereas all of creation was
>>>created solely for the sake of the Jews.
>>>
>>>The Halakhah places the duty of saving a life of a fellow Jew above all
>>>other religious obligations and interdictions except the prohibitions of
>>>the three most heinous sins of adultery (including incest), murder and
>>>idolatry.
>>>
>>>As for Gentiles the basic talmudic principal is that their lives must not
>>>be saved, though it is forbidden to murder them outright. The Talmud
>>>expresses this in the maxim ‘Gentiles are neither to be lifted (out of a
>>>well) nor hauled down (into it.’ In the words of Maimonides:
>>>
>>>As for Gentiles with whom we are not at war . . . their death must not be
>>>caused, but it is forbidden to save them if they are at the point of death;
>>>if, for example, one of them is seen falling down into the sea, he should
>>>not be rescued . . .
>>>
>>>Maimonides, an accomplished physician, reasoned that it was forbidden to
>>>heal a Gentile patient, even for money. However, he continues, ‘if you fear
>>>him or his hostility, cure him for payment, though you are forbidden to do
>>>so without payment.’
>>>
>>>In the Jewish religion, the murder of a Jew is-
>>>* a capital offense
>>>* one of the three most heinous sins (idolatry & adultery being the others)
>>>* demands punishment beyond the limits of the ordinary administration of
>>> justice
>>>
>>>However-
>>>
>>>* a Jew who indirectly causes the death of another Jew is only guilty of a
>>> sin against the “laws of Heaven”- to be punished by God, not man.
>>>* a Jew who kills a Gentile is also only guilty of a sin against the “laws
>>> of Heaven” and thus, not punishable by a court
>>>* a Jew who indirectly causes the death of a Gentile is not at all guilty
>>> of a sin
>>>* an act leading indirectly to the death of a Gentile is forbidden if it
>>> may cause increased hostility towards Jews
>>>* a Gentile murder under Jewish jurisdiction must be executed whether the
>>> victim is Jewish or not
>>>* a Gentile who kills another Gentile can escape punishment by converting
>>> to Judaism
>>>
>>>Adultery committed by a Jewish woman is a capital offense for both parties.
>>>The Halakhah presumes all Gentiles to be promiscuous. Whether a Gentile
>>>woman is married or not is of no difference since the concept of matrimony
>>>does not apply to Gentiles. Thus, adultery does not apply to intercourse
>>>between a Jewish man and a Gentile woman. Rather, the Talmud equates this
>>>act to the sin of bestiality. (And by similar reasoning Gentiles are
>>>presumed not to have certain paternity.)
>>>
>>>Since there is no matrimony for Gentiles, a married woman is forbidden to
>>>the Gentiles, but a Jew is exempted.
>>>
>>>Even if raped by the Jewish man, the Gentile woman must be executed because
>>>through her a Jew got in trouble. The Jew must be flogged.
>>>
>>>All Gentile women are presumed by the Halakhah to be prostitutes.
>>>
>>>The Yiddish word shaygets and its feminine form shiksa derive from the
>>>Hebrew word sheqetz which the Meggido Modern Hebrew-English Dictionary
>>>(published in Israel) defines as: “unclean animal; loathsome creature,
>>>abomination, wretch, unruly youngster; Gentile youngster.”
>>>
>>>In Christian Spain in the 12th Century Jewish women who cohabited with
>>>Gentiles had their noses cut off by rabbis. By such a punishment she would
>>>lose her beauty and her Gentile lover would grow to hate her the rabbis
>>>reasoned.
>>>
>>>Stealing (without violence) is forbidden- “even from a Gentile.”
>>>
>>>Robbery (with violence) is forbidden if the victim is Jewish. Robbery of a
>>>Gentile by a Jew is not forbidden outright. It is permitted when the
>>>Gentiles are under Jewish rule. Thus the robbery of Palestinian land and
>>>property in Israel is permitted for it is backed by overwhelming Jewish
>>>power.
>>>
>>>In the daily morning prayer, every devout Jew blesses God for not making
>>>him a Gentile.
>>>
>>>Gentiles are presumed to be congenital liars and may not testify in
>>>rabbinical court.
>>>
>>>According to the Halakhah, if they can prevent it, Jews must not allow a
>>>Gentile to be appointed to a position of authority, however small, over
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>The Talmud requires that a Jew who passes near an inhabited non-Jewish
>>>dwelling must ask God to destroy it. But if the building is already in
>>>ruins he must thank the Lord of Vengeance. Later, due to changing
>>>circumstances the rule was confined to churches and places of worship of
>>>other religions (except Islam). The rule was further embroidered by custom:
>>>it becoming necessary to spit (usually 3 times) upon encountering a church
>>>or a crucifix.
>>>
>>>The Talmud commands every Jew that passes a non-Jewish cemetery to curse
>>>the mothers of the dead.
>>>
>>>It is a grave sin to deceive in any manner a Jew. While direct deception
>>>against a Gentile is forbidden, an indirect deception is allowed- unless it
>>>is likely to cause hostility towards Jews or their religion.
>>>
>>>While it is forbidden to defraud a Jew by selling or buying at an
>>>unrea-sonalble price, it does not apply to Gentiles.
>>>
>>>The Talmud forbids a Jew, on pain of severe punishment, from taking
>>>interest on a loan made to another Jew, while making it a religious duty to
>>>take as much interest as possible on a loan made to a Gentile.
>>>
>>>The Talmud forbids a Jew from returning a lost article to the Gentile who
>>>lost it.
>>>
>>>The Talmud forbids giving a gift to a Gentile.
>>>
>>>”Redeemed” land is that land which has passed from non-Jewish ownership
>>>into Jewish hands. That land which belongs to non-Jews is considered to be
>>>”unredeemed.” Therefore, the Utopia of the ‘Jewish ideology’ adopted by
>>>Israel is a land which is wholly ‘redeemed’ and none of it is owned or
>>>worked by non-Jews.
>>>
>>>The Talmud, in addition to a series of nasty sexual allegations against
>>>Jesus, states that his punishment in hell is to be immersed in boiling
>>>excrement.
>>>
>>>The Talmud instructs Jews to burn, publicly if possible, any copy of the
>>>New Testament they can get their hands on. On 23 March 1980 hundreds of
>>>copies of the New Testament were publicly burnt in Jerusalem under the
>>>auspices of Yad Le’akhim, a Jewish religious organization subsidized by the
>>>Israeli Ministry of Religion.
>>>
>>>Talmudic law allows for the kidnapping of Gentiles by Jews.
>>>
>>>Maimonides allowed Jews, in the name of he Jewish religion, to abduct
>>>Gentile children into slavery.
>>>
>>>The Talmud forbids a Jew from enjoying the light of a candle lit by a
>>>Gentile on the Sabbath- unless the Gentile lit it for his own use before
>>>the Jew entered the room.
>>>
>>>A religious Jew must not drink any wine in whose preparation a Gentile had
>>>any part. Wine in an open bottle, even if prepared wholly by Jews, becomes
>>>banned if a Gentile even so much as touches the bottle or passes a hand
>>>over it.
>>>
>>>According to the Halakhah ‘mercy’ means mercy towards Jews only.
>>>
>>>Israel:
>>>
>>>Israeli Law
>>>
>>>The routine means for enforcing discrimination in everyday life is the ID
>>>card which must be carried at all times. These ID cards state the official
>>>’nationality’ of a person, which may be ‘Jewish,’ ‘Arab,’ ‘Druze’ and so
>>>forth, but not ‘Israeli.’ The Ministry of the Interior will give no reason
>>>except to state that “it was decided not to recognize an Israeli
>>>nationality.”
>>>
>>>By official definition, Israel ‘belongs’ to persons who are defined by the
>>>Israeli authorities as ‘Jewish,’ and to them alone- irrespective of where
>>>they live. Israel doesn’t officially ‘belong’ to its non-Jewish citizens,
>>>whose status is considered even officially as inferior. Anyone, from
>>>anywhere, officially regarded as “Jewish” is entitled at once to become an
>>>Israeli citizen and benefit from the approximately 70% of the West Bank
>>>land or 92% of Israel proper, officially designated only for the benefit of
>>>Jews!
>>>
>>>92% of all land in Israel is the property of the state and is administered
>>>by the Israel Land Authority according to regulations issued by the Jewish
>>>National Fund, an affiliate of the World Zionist Organization. These
>>>regulations deny the right to reside, open a business, and often work to
>>>anyone who is not Jewish.
>>>
>>>In the Land of Israel [borders undefined]-
>>>
>>>* the Halakhah forbids Jews to sell immovable property (fields and houses)
>>> to Gentiles
>>>* leasing a house to a Gentile is permitted under two conditions:
>>>
>>>1) the house is for storage or some such purpose but not for habitation
>>>2) that 3 or more adjoining houses shall not be so leased
>>>
>>>* Thus a conference of Israeli rabbis in 1979 declared that according to
>>> the Halakhah the ‘autonomy’ that Begin was ready to offer the
>>>Palestinians
>>> was too liberal.
>>>* Maimonides said, “When Jews are more powerful than the Gentiles we are
>>> forbidden to let an idolater among us . . .” Thus, if Jews have the
>>>power,
>>> it is their religious duty to expel the Palestinians.
>>>
>>>Israeli law strictly forbids Jews settled on ‘National Land’ to sub-let
>>>even a part of their land to Arabs, even for a short time. Those who do so
>>>are punished, usually by heavy fines.
>>>
>>>In the mid-60s the Rabbinical Court of Jerusalem (whose members are rabbis
>>>nominated by the State of Israel) ruled that a Jew should not violate the
>>>Sabbath in order to save the life of a Gentile. They added that if the
>>>consequence of such an act puts Jews in danger, the Sabbath may be
>>>violated, for their sake. The decision was based on Talmudic law.
>>>
>>>In 1985 a Constitutional Law was passed by a very large majority of the
>>>Knesset that no party whose program openly opposes the principal of ‘a
>>>Jewish state,’ or proposes to change it by democratic means, is allowed to
>>>participate in the elections to the Knesset.
>>>
>>>In a booklet published by the Central Region Command of the Israeli Army,
>>>whose area includes the West Bank, the Command’s Chief Chaplain writes:
>>>
>>>When our forces come across civilians during a war or in hot pursuit or in
>>>a raid, so long as there is no certainty that these civilians are incapable
>>>of harming our forces, then according to the Halakhah they may and even
>>>should be killed . . . In war, when our forces storm the enemy, they are
>>>allowed and even enjoined by the Halakhah to kill even good civilians, that
>>>is, civilians who are ostensibly good.
>>>—————————————————————————
>>>
>>>Israeli Practice
>>>—————————————————————————
>>>
>>>The kibbutz is a racist institution from which non-Jewish citizens of
>>>Israel are rigorously excluded.
>>>
>>>Jewish farmers exploiting Arab labor, especially child labor, note that
>>>servitude is the ‘natural’ lot of Gentiles.
>>>
>>>Gush Emunim leaders have quoted religious precepts which enjoin Jews to
>>>oppose Gentiles, as a justification of the attempted assassination of
>>>Palestinian mayors and as divine authority for their own plans to expel all
>>>Arabs from Palestine.
>>>
>>>”In principle, virtually all zionists- and in particular ‘left zionists-
>>>share the deep anti-Gentile attitudes which Orthodox Judaism keenly
>>>promotes.” Israel Shahak, p. 97.
>>>
>>>Apartheid Bonds
>>>
>>>To South Africa:
>>>
>>>Israel’s Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin to South Africa’s Prime Minister John
>>>Vorster (father of South Africa’s rabid apartheid policies) at an Israeli
>>>banquet for Vorster in April 1976: “We here follow with sympathy your own
>>>historic efforts to achieve detente on your continent, to build bridges for
>>>a secure and better future, to create coexistence that will guarantee a
>>>prosperous atmosphere of cooperation for all the African peoples without
>>>interference and threat.”
>>>
>>>Rafael Eitan, former Israeli chief of staff and Knesset member, said, “I
>>>don’t understand the comparison between us and South Africa. What we have
>>>in common is that we both take measures to ensure that we are not
>>>overpowered. Those who say that Blacks in South Africa are persecuted are
>>>lying. The Blacks there want to overpower the white minority, just like the
>>>Arabs here want to overpower us. And we, just like the South African
>>>minority, must act to make sure we are not overpowered. I went to see a
>>>diamond mine there and saw what superb conditions Black workers are
>>>enjoying. So what if there is a seperate lift for Blacks and Whites? That’s
>>>the way they want it…”
>>>
>>>Assembly of Heads of State and Government of the Organization of African
>>>Unity in 1975 considered, “…that the racist regime in occupied Palestine
>>>and the racist regimes in Zimbabwe and South Africa have a common
>>>imperialist origin, forming a whole and having the same racist structure
>>>and being organically linked in their policy aimed at repression of the
>>>dignity and integrity of the human being.”
>>>
>>>Archbishop Desmond M. Tutu of Cape Town (speaking in Jerusalem):
>>>”I cannot myself understand people who have suffered as the Jews have
>>>suffered inflicting the suffering of the kind I have seen on the
>>>Palestinians.”
>>>”In the methods of resistance used by the Palestinians, and the ways the
>>>Israeli Government deals with the resistance, we experience an
>>>extraordinary sense of being at home.”
>>>
>>>Lynda Brayer, human rights lawyer, director of the Society of St. Yves, a
>>>legal resource center for human rights in Jerusalem, and advocate for the
>>>Jahalin Bedouins in their fight against Israeli settlement policy, said:
>>>”Having grown up in South Africa, I find the resemblance to apartheid both
>>>obvious and irrefutable. Rabin himself described the peace process as
>>>hafrada, whose literal menaning is ‘seperation,’ or apartheid in Afrikaans.
>>>The purposes of hafrada are identical with those of apartheid: the
>>>prevention of any meaningful political and economic freedom. This would be
>>>achieved through the fragmentation of the coherence and cohesion of
>>>Palestine and Palestinian society: expropriation of Palestinian land and
>>>the paralysis of economic development. Palestinian workers would be
>>>coopted to promote the Israeli economy which aspires to new markets in
>>>the Arabworld.”
>>>
>>>”The once and future piece-Rabin’s legacy” in Middle East International no.
>>>515 (15 Dec. 1995), p.21.
>>>
>>>To Nazi Germany
>>>
>>>Rabbi Joachim Prinz, later president of the American Jewish Congress: “The
>>>German Government announced very solomnly that there was no country in the
>>>world which tried to solve the Jewish problem as seriously as did Germany.
>>>Solution to the Jewish problem? It was our Zionist dream! We never denied
>>>the existance of the Jewish question! Dissimilation? It was our own
>>>appeal!”
>>>
>>>Reinhardt (The Hangman) Heydrich, the chief of the SS Security Service and
>>>later the infamous Protector of Bohemia-moravia in an article in 1935: “We
>>>must seperate Jewery into two categories, the Zionists and those who favor
>>>being assimilated. the Zionists adhere to a strict racial position and by
>>>emigrating to Palestine they are helping to build their own Jewish state.
>>>Our good wishes together with our official good will go with them.”
>>>
>>>Neturei Karta, organization of anti-Zionist devoutly religious Ashkenazi
>>>Jews, in an advertisement in The New York Times of 11 Nov. 1975: “The
>>>collaboration of Zionism with Nazism is an indelible stain. The
>>>perpetration of war crimes against the Palestinian people is an everlasting
>>>blot. But one can share with truely religious Jews the conviction that “The
>>>fraud of Zionism will pass and the Jewish people will live.”
>>>
>>>
>>>Israel Shahak, professor of chemistry at Hebrew University in Jerusalem,
>>>concentration camp survivor, chairman of Israeli League for Civil and Human
>>>Rights: “I would say the only human response to the Holocaust is to try not
>>>to be like Nazis, in word or deed. What brought the Holocaust was the
>>>racist attitude toward Jews, the division of German society into Jews and
>>>non-Jews on grounds of race. This is exactly the same thing that is
>>>happening in Israel.”
>>>
>>>Israel Shahak: “You can define Israeli society as a society in which there
>>>are no Israelis, but only Jews and non-Jews. You have seperate tables for
>>>dying Jewish infants and dying non-Jewish infants and so on. This is
>>>Nazification of Jewish society and this can well bring the calamity it
>>>brought in Europe, only this time a calamity to Arabs. If one can learn
>>>anything from the Nazi experience, it is that one should be against Nazism,
>>>whether German, Jewish or Arab.”
>>>
>>>Apartheid Hate
>>>
>>>Maimonidies in his Guide to the Perplexed discusses how various sections of
>>>humanity can attain the supreme religious value, the true worship of God.
>>>Among those who are incapable of even approaching this are: “The Turks and
>>>the nomads of the North, and the Blacks and the nomads in the South, and
>>>those who resemble them in our climates. And their nature is like the
>>>nature of mute animals, and according to my opinion they are not on the
>>>level of human beings, and their level among existing things is below that
>>>of a man and above that of a monkey, because they have the resemblence
>>>of a man more than a monkey does.”
>>>
>>>Chaim Weitzman in a letter to Lord Balfour dated 30 May 1918: “The Arabs,
>>>who are superficially clever and quick-witted, worship one thing and one
>>>thing only, power and success … The fairer the English regime tries to
>>>be, the more arrogant the Arab becomes.”
>>>
>>>Rafael Eitan: “When we settle the land, all the Arabs will be able to do
>>>about it will be to scurry around like drugged roaches in a bottle.”
>>>
>>>Elizer Livneh, member of the Israeli Labour Party and a leader of the
>>>Greater Israeli Movement: “… that the Palestinians do not really exist,
>>>they are a cosmopolitan rubbish and that the aim of these people is to
>>>cause the collapse of modern society for they are an instrument of world
>>>barbarism.”
>>>
>>>Israel Shahak: “We were completely brain-washed in school, first of all to
>>>hate all Arabs. Secondly, we were brain-washed to regard one important fact
>>>about the world; that all non-Jews hate Jews. We were brain-washed to
>>>believe that Mongolians, who have never even seen a Jew, will the moment
>>>they see one become anti-Semites. And we were also brain-washed to believe
>>>that this hate is completely different from normal hate which prevails in
>>>many places among nationalists and especially toward minorities.”
>>>
>>>Israel Shahak: “… the only way to change Israeli opinion is through the
>>>Diaspora. It’s useless for a non-Jew to waste breath criticizing Israel. A
>>>’goy’ doesn’t count here. But if American Jews were to criticize our
>>>attitude towards the Arabs we would take notice because we need their
>>>money.”
>>>
>>>Abraham Sharir, Israeli Cabinet Minister: “It may not be nice to say so,
>>>but the Arabs are born liars.”
>>>
>>>Moshe Menuhin (father of the violinist Yehudi Menuhin) wrote that he “could
>>>not stomach the daily preaching of ‘our nation, our country, our
>>>birthplace’ by our hypernationalistic, goyim-hating, Zionist Hebrew
>>>teachers. Not one of the students at the Gymnesia Herzlin was born in
>>>Palestine. We all came to Palestine from Russia, Poland, Romania, Galicia,
>>>et cetera. The hatred and contempt for goyim- Arabs in our case- was
>>>irrational and inhuman.”
>>>
>>>Albert Einstein and others in a letter to The New York Times of 4 Dec. 1948
>>>on a visit to the US by Menachem Begin (terrorist and later Israeli Prime
>>>Minister): “Within the Jewish community they (Begin’s Freedom Party) have
>>>preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial
>>>superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break
>>>strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade
>>>unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian
>>>Fascist model.
>>>
>>>During the years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZI, and Stern
>>>(former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir’s terrorists) groups
>>>inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers
>>>were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting
>>>their children join them.
>>>
>>>It is … tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to
>>>campaign against Begin’s efforts, or even expose to its own constituents
>>>the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.”
>>>
>>>Apartheid Agression
>>>
>>>Theodore Herzl in his diary entry for 12 June 1895: “When we occupy the
>>>land, we shall bring immediate benefits to the state that receives us. We
>>>must expropriate gently the private property of the estates assigned to us.
>>>We must try to spirit the penniless population across the border by
>>>procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any
>>>employment in our own country.”
>>>
>>>David Ben-Gurion, Israeli Prime Minister, in a speech to the Knesset on the
>>>third day of the Suez War in 1956 stated that the real reason for the war
>>>was the restoration of the Kingdom of David and Solomon to its Biblical
>>>borders. At this point in his speech virtually every Knesset member
>>>spontaneously rose and sang the Israeli national anthem.
>>>
>>>Menahem Begin, Israeli Prime Minister in an op-ed piece in The New York
>>>Times: “In June 1967, we again had a choice. the Egyptian Army
>>>concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really
>>>about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack
>>>him.”
>>>
>>>Yitzhak Rabin, then head of the army: “I do not believe that Nasser wanted
>>>war. The two divisions which he sent into the Sinai on May 14 would not
>>>have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it, and we
>>>knew it.”
>>>
>>>General Mattitahu Peled of the IDF General Staff: “All those stories about
>>>the huge danger we were facing because of our small territorial size, an
>>>argument expounded once the war was over, had never been considered in our
>>>calculations prior to the unleashing of hostilities.”
>>>
>>>General Mordichai Hod, Commanding General, Israeli Air-Force: “Sixteen
>>>years’ planning had gone into those initial eighty minutes. We lived with
>>>the plan, we slept on the plan, we ate the plan. Constantly we perfected
>>>it.”
>>>
>>>Yigal Allon, Minister of Labor and member of Eshkol’s Military Advisory
>>>Committee on the origin of the Six-Day War: “Begin and I want Jerusalem.”
>>>
>>>Golda Meir, former Israeli Prime Minister: “It is not as though there was a
>>>Palestinian people living in Palestine and calling themselves Palestinians
>>>and we came and threw them out–they did not exist.”
>>>
>>>Menahem Begin (former Israeli Prime Minister): “When you accept the concept
>>>of Palestine, you demolish your right to live here. If this is Palestine,
>>>and not Eretz Israel, then you are conquerors and not tillers of the land,
>>>and this land then belongs to people who lived here before you.”
>>>
>>>Moshe Dayan told Zionist youth at a meeting in the Golan Heights in July
>>>1968: “Our fathers had reached the frontiers recognized in the partition
>>>plan; the Six-Day War generation has managed to reach Suez, Jordan, and the
>>>Golan Heights. This is not the end. After the present cease-fire lines,
>>>there will be new ones. They will extend beyond Jordan … to Lebanon and
>>>… to central Syria as well.”
>>>
>>>Moshe Dayan: “We came to this country which was already populated by Arabs,
>>>and we are establishing a Hebrew, that is a Jewish, state here … Jewish
>>>villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the
>>>names of the Arab villages, and I do not blame you, because these geography
>>>books no longer exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahala arose
>>>in the place of Mahalul, Gevat in the place of Jibita, Sarid in the place
>>>of Haneifs, and Kefar Yehoshua in the place of Tel Shaman. There is not one
>>>place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.”
>>>
>>>Apartheid Oppression
>>>
>>>Arthur Hays Sulzberger, publisher of The New York Times in 1946: “I dislike
>>>the coercive methods of the Zionists who, in this country, have not
>>>hesitated to use economic means to silence persons who have different
>>>views. I object to the attempts at character assassination of those who do
>>>not agree with them.”
>>>
>>>Meir Indor, spokesman for the Gush Emunim settlement of Kiryat Arba: “The
>>>Arabs must know that there is a master here, the Jewish people. It rules
>>>over Eretz Israel. The Arabs are temporary dwellers who happen to live in
>>>the country. There are commandments in the Bible concerning such temporary
>>>dwellers and we should act accordingly.”
>>>
>>>Yeshayahu Leibovitz, professor at Hebrew University and editor of
>>>Encyl-opedia Hebraica on the massacres at Sabra & Shatila: “The massacre
>>>was done by us. The Phalangists are our mercenaries. Exactly as the
>>>Ukrainians and the Croatians and the Slovakians were the mercenaries of
>>>Hitler, who organized them as soldiers to do the work for him. Even so we
>>>organized the assassins in Lebanon in order to murder the Palestinians.”
>>>
>>>A.B. Yehoshua, Israeli novelist, on the massacre at Sabra & Shatila: “What
>>>happened at the refugee camps in Beirut is the logical consequence of all
>>>that took place in the past months. A logical sequence, and almost an
>>>unavoidable one. What can one say? Even if I could believe that IDF
>>>soldiers who stood at a distance of 100 meters from the camps did not know
>>>what happened, then this would be the same lack of knowledge of the Germans
>>>who stood outside Buchenwald and Treblinka and did not know what was
>>>happening! We too did not want to know.”
>>>
>>>Mordechai Nisan: “… it is nowhere provided that non-Jews will enjoy full
>>>equal rights as a national community. After all, the Land is the eternal
>>>possession of the Jewish people alone …”
>>>
>>>Yehudi Menuin, to the Israeli Knesset in 1991 when accepting the
>>>prestigious Wolf Award: “This wasteful governing by fear, by contempt for
>>>the basic dignities of life, this steady asphyxiation of a dependent people
>>>should be the very last means to be adopted by those who know too well the
>>>awful significance, the unforgettable suffering of such an existence.”
>>>
>>>Letter by Israeli soldiers reporting instructions regarding curfew
>>>violations given them by a senior officer, read in the Knesset in 1980:
>>>”Anybody you catch outside his home — first you beat him with a truncheon
>>>all over the body, except for his head. Don’t have pity on anyone. Don’t
>>>explain anything. Beat first, then, after you have finished, explain why
>>>… If you catch a small child, get out the whole family, line them up and
>>>beat the father before all his children. Don’t consider the beating a
>>>right; it is your duty — they do not understand any other way.”
>>>
>>>Apartheid Racism & Segregation
>>>
>>>Golda Meir: “Each Israeli soldier has a deep personal commitment to
>>>defending this country … The Palestinian Arab shows no such emotional
>>>involvement. Why should he? He is equally at ease whether in Jordan,
>>>Lebanon or a variety of places. They are as much his country as this is.
>>>And as little.”
>>>
>>>Chaim Herzog, President of Israel and a Labour Party leader: “We are
>>>certainly not willing to make partners of the Palestinians in any way in a
>>>land that was holy to our people for thousands of years. There can be no
>>>partner with the Jews of this land.”
>>>
>>>Mordechai Nisan of the Truman Research Center of the Hebrew University:
>>>”At the dawn of Jewish history, contact with the land of Israel established
>>>the
>>>principle that the presence of non-Jews in the country is morally and
>>>politically irrelevant to the national right of the Jews to settle and
>>>posses the land …”
>>>
>>>Joseph Weitz, former head of the Jewish Agency’s Colonization Department:
>>>”It should be clear that there is no room for both peoples to live in this
>>>country. … If the Arabs leave, it is large and open country; if they
>>>stay, it is small and poor. Up to this point, Zionists have been content to
>>>’buy land,’ but this is no way to establish a country for the Jews. A
>>>nation is created in one move … and in that case, there is no alternative
>>>to moving the Arabs to the neighboring countries, moving them all, except
>>>perhaps those living in Bethlehem, Nazareth, and the Old City of Jerusalem.
>>>Not one village, not one tribe must remain. They must be moved to Iraq,
>>>Syria, or even Transjordan.”
>>>
>>>Apartheid Documents
>>>
>>>In Israel everyone must carry an ID card at all times. These ID cards list
>>>a person’s ‘nationality’ as ‘Jewish,’ ‘Arab,’ ‘Druze,’ etc. An ‘Israeli’
>>>nationality is not recognized by the Ministry of the Interior.
>>>
>>>I The creation of the Jewish Agency was provided for in the Mandate in
>>>order to obtain Zionist cooperation with the British Government in matters
>>>pertaining to the Jewish National Home. Article 3 (d) & (e) of its
>>>Constitution (signed in Zurich 14 Aug. 1929) states:
>>>
>>>”(d) Land is to be acquired as Jewish property and subject to the
>>>provisions of Article 10 of this agreement, the title to the lands acquired
>>>is to be taken in the name of the Jewish National Fund, to the end that the
>>>same shall be held as the inalienable property of the Jewish people.”
>>>
>>>”(e) The Agency shall promote agricultural colonization based on Jewish
>>>labour, and in all works or undertakings carried out by the Agency, it
>>>shall be deemed to be a matter of principle that Jewish labour shall be
>>>employed…”
>>>
>>>II Article 23 of a lease of the Jewish National Fund in regard to granting
>>>of its holdings states:
>>>
>>>”… The lessee undertakes to execute all works connected with the
>>>cultivation of the holding only with Jewish labour. Failure to comply with
>>>this duty by the employment of non-Jewish labour shall render the lessee
>>>liable to the payment of a compensation of ten Palestinian pounds for each
>>>default. The fact of employment of non-Jewish labour shall constitute
>>>adequate proof as to the damages and the amount thereof, and the right of
>>>the Fund to be paid the compensation referred to, and it shall not be
>>>necessary to serve on the lessee any notorial or other notice. Where the
>>>lessee has contravened the provisions of this Article three times the Fund
>>>may apply the right of restitution of the holding, without paying any
>>>compensation whatever …”
>>>
>>>III In the agreement for the payment of advances made by the Palestine
>>>Foundation Fund to settlers in the Maritime Plain this provision appears:
>>>
>>>”Article 7- The settler hereby undertakes that he will during the
>>>continuance of any said advances, reside upon the said agricultural holding
>>>and do all his farm work by himself or with the aid of his family, and
>>>that, if and whenever he may be obliged to hire help, he will hire Jewish
>>>workmen only.”
>>>
>>>IV A similar agreement in another colony reads:
>>>
>>>”Article 11- The settler undertakes to work the said holding personally, or
>>>with the aid of his family, and not hire any outside labour except Jewish
>>>laborers.”
>>>
>>>V Tsomet party document:
>>>
>>>”All the Arabs within the borders of the land of Israel are enemies. They
>>>all have the same aspiration, and they all express it in a similar way: by
>>>violence.”
>>>
>>>Apartheid Textbooks
>>>
>>>”I believe that being a Jew means being a fighter, an eternal swimmer
>>>against the dark gentile criminal current. A Jewish hero is a martyr, a
>>>saint even when he kills… I am happy to belong to the unhappiest of all
>>>nations of the world whose teaching represents all what is the most noble
>>>and beautiful that was ever created.” From an Israeli geography textbook
>>>for the 6th grade.
>>>
>>>”The four Jews went to visit a nearby Arab village. They saw there only
>>>lean people with yellow faces. Flies were on their faces and they did not
>>>even make an effort to chase them away because of their laziness. Many of
>>>the villagers were blind. They went hand in hand and looked like searching
>>>for their way in the darkness. The children went barefoot. They had sick
>>>eyes and the women had an inflated womb. Thus they looked before the Jews
>>>brought them progress.” From the Israeli textbook Journey in the First
>>>Zionist Colonies published by the Section for Study Programs of the
>>>Education Ministry. Intended for lessons on the homeland for the 4th grade.
>>>
>>>Apartheid in Jerusalem
>>>
>>>Then mayor of Jerusalem Teddy Kollek said in an interview with Ma’ariv
>>>right after the Temple Mount massacre in Oct. 1990: “Yes, we installed a
>>>sewerage system for them and improved the water supply. Do you know why?
>>>Do you think it was for their good, for their welfare? Forget it! There
>>>were
>>>some cases of cholera there, and the Jews were afraid that they would catch
>>>it, so we installed sewerage and a water system against cholera …”
>>>
>>>A document of the Jerusalem municipality of 1978: “Every area of the city
>>>that is not settled by Jews is in danger of being detached from Israel and
>>>transferred to Arab control. Therefore, the administrative principle
>>>regarding the area of the city’s municipal jurisdiction must be translated
>>>into practice by building in all parts of that area, and, to begin with, in
>>>its remotest sections.”
>>>
>>>From a planning document of 1986: “The development of the Arab sector
>>>has a ‘picture window’ effect, and it was decided, therefore, that what
>>>will be
>>>seen by a large number of people (residents, tourists, etc) is important
>>>and prominent and receives a grade 5, projects that have no impact are
>>>graded 1.”
>>>
>>>B’Tselem (Israeli Human Rights Organization) May 1995 report on Jerusalem
>>>notes: “Since the annexation of East Jerusalem in 1967, the Israeli
>>>government has adopted a policy of systematic and deliberate discrimination
>>>against the Palestinian population in all matters relating to expropriation
>>>of land, planning, and building.”
>>>
>>>Since the Annexation of East Jerusalem
>>>
>>> * Palestinians constitute 28% of the city’s population
>>> * Most of the lands expropriated since 1967 were privately owned by
>>> Arabs
>>> * Of the 70,000 dunums (4 dunums equal one acre) of land annexed to
>>> Jerusalem following the Six-Day War, 23,500 dunums were expropriated
>>> under the Land Ordinance (most privately-owned by Arabs) and used
>>> exclusively for the welfare of the Jewish population. By Feb. 1995,
>>> about 38,500 residential units had been built for 160,000 Jews on the
>>> expropriated land. Not one housing unit was built for the Palestinian
>>> population.
>>> * In February 1995 the number of residential units in the Jewish
>>> neighborhoods in east Jerusalem was about twice that of those in
>>> Palestinian neighborhoods (38,500 units to 20,900 units). The
>>> settlement of Jews in East Jerusalem is illegal under international
>>> law [Article 47 of the Fourth Geneva Convention].
>>> * In 1973 the Gafni Commission recommended to the government that within
>>> a decade 10,000 new housing units be built for the Palestinian
>>> population. In the 22 years since then the Palestinian population has
>>> increased from 88,000 to over 160,000. To date no more than 5700
>>> apartments have been built.
>>> * Building has been barred on most of the area that remains in Arab
>>> hands in East Jerusalem. The purpose of “Town Planning Schemes” is to
>>> prevent the Palestinians from making use of the little land that is
>>> available to them.
>>> * 64,870 apartments, constituting 88% of all housing units were built
>>> for the Jewish population- about half by public construction.
>>> * Some 8,890 apartments (some 12%) built for Palestinians were mostly
>>> built privately.
>>> * At the end of 1993, the average housing density of the Jewish
>>> population was 1.1 persons per room; and 2.2 persons per room among
>>> the Palestinians. This is twice as large as the gap in 1967.
>>> * In 1972 for each Jewish family living in density of 3 persons per room
>>> there were 4 Palestinian families under similar conditions. By 1993
>>> this density had reached 13.5 to 1!
>>> * Almost one-third of Jerusalem’s Palestinians (32.3%) lived in
>>> conditions of housing density of more than 3 persons per room, as
>>> opposed to only 2.4% among Jews.
>>> * According to estimates, the housing shortage among the Palestinian
>>> pop-ulation has reached more than 20,000 units.
>>> * Of the 9070 residential units whose construction ended from 1990 and
>>> the end of 1993, inclusive, only 463 (5.1%) were built in Palestinian
>>> neighborhoods.
>>> * In 1993 alone, among the 2,720 residential units completed, only 103
>>> (3.8%) of all housing units built were built in Palestinian
>>> neighborhoods.
>>> * Expropriations were also intended to deprive the Palestinian
>>> population of the possibility of building on those lands, and to hold
>>> them in reserve for future Jewish neighborhoods.
>>> * These problems are the cumulative result of the deliberate and
>>> systematic discrimination that has characterized Israeli government
>>> policy since 1967.
>>>—————————————————————————
>>>Source: Harvard College library.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 14 Apr 1998 04:22:59 GMT, [email protected] (Maherhur) wrote:
>>
>>>About fifty years a go,the zionist gangs roamed our beloved
>>>palestine,demonstrating the ugliest and lowest act that any group of humans can
>>>ever do.They started a massive attack on the defenseless inhabitants of the
>>>hollyland.Before that coward act,muslims, chrisians,and even Jews lived in a
>>>relatively peacful environment-taking into account-what was happining in the
>>>rest of the world and the evil plan that Zionists were striving to implement.
>>> As the Arab and the rest of the muslim world was and still controlled by the
>>>western colonial powers,they couldn’t be of much help to the surrounded
>>>palestinians.For the palestinians the shock was of horrendous dimensions,they
>>>found themselves face to face with the scum bags of Europe,the most cowered
>>>enemy who has no mercy for child woman nor the elderly.they are the people who
>>>been humiliated in europe but came to take revenge from our women and our
>>>children.How coward a man can be!
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On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:48:11 GMT,
ourhero@j*wishmail.com-SpamGuardReplace*withanE-BeABurdenOnj*wishServers-UseFreej*wishEmail
(Ourhero) wrote:
>http://abbc.com/islam/ – radio islam
>http://holywar.org/ – christian alternative
>http://hebron.com
>http://ourhero.com THE LIBRARY: A PLACE FOR GENTILE HEALING
>”make the world free! stop the j*wish conspiracy!”
> Catholic radio splits Polish faithful with
> extremist views
> Associated Press, 12/17/97 01:36
> WARSAW, Poland (AP) – The report hit the airwaves immediately:
>Police
> were in the offices of Poland’s most popular – and controversial –
>Catholic
> radio station ready to question the priest who runs the show about
>on-air
> remarks.
>
> Before police could even find the station director, a group of
>loyal listeners
> heard the news and stormed the station. The crowd, mostly elderly
>women
> clutching rosaries and crucifixes, heckled the officers.
>
> After six years on the air, Rev. Tadeusz Rydzyk and his Radio
>Maryja
> (pronounced Maria) have gained a level of audience devotion
>bordering on
> the fanatical.
>
> With its blend of prayer and call-in talk shows, the station has
>drawn
> listeners hungry for religious direction in Poland’s uncertain
>post-communist
> climate. But the station’s conservative politics often cross a
>line that makes
> secular Poles uneasy.
>
> On a recent evening, a listener named Marian accused the European
>Union
> of “promoting homosexuality, pornography and abortion.”
>
> Another listener, Janusz, explained the catastrophic floods in
>southern Poland
> this way: “The rains in July were so unusual that I was reminded
>of an Israeli
> invention to chemically produce rain. I know that they invent such
>things to
> be omnipotent.”
>
> The moderator responded: “I can’t say, but we all know that it is
>possible to
> provoke some natural phenomena.
>
> “But on the other hand, there have been such heavy rains in the
>past, so
> perhaps there might have been no provocation.”
>
> At first, the Catholic church and even Pope John Paul II praised
>the station
> for teaching and encouraging prayer. Radio Maryja was considered a
> novelty in Polish society for its Catholic take on a range of
>issues that either
> were new to Poland’s fledgling democracy or taboo under communism
>-
> alcoholism, homosexuality, economic reforms and party politics.
>
> But discussions such as the one about the floods have some Poles
>worried:
> They fear Radio Maryja’s particular mix of religion and politics
>is
> encouraging a dangerous strain of nationalism.
>
> They also are unnerved by the station’s ability to mobilize
>listeners around
> conservative causes – against abortion, against selling off
>state-run companies
> built up under communism and around 20 right-wing lawmakers who
>won
> parliament seats in September.
>
> The station “represents a trend in Polish Catholicism hostile to
>liberal
> democracy and a spirit of tolerance,” Sergiusz Kowalski, a
>sociologist,
> wrote in Poland’s largest newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza.
>
> Despite the controversy, the station’s popularity is growing. An
>estimated 4
> million to 5 million listeners – about 13 percent of the
>population – tune in
> daily. To celebrate Radio Maryja’s sixth anniversary on Dec. 7,
>2,000
> people attended Mass in the medieval city of Torun, 125 miles
>northwest of
> Warsaw, where the station is based.
>
> Listeners form local parish-based groups, called “Families of
>Radio
> Maryja.” Much of their loyalty is focused on the plump, balding
>director who
> urges them to unite as a single family.
>
> Rydzyk “speaks to us like Jesus,” said Zofia Wawelska, a retired
>biology
> teacher among dozens of women who turned out at a recent news
> conference to support the priest.
>
> Because of Radio Maryja’s following, the Catholic Church hierarchy
>had
> been reluctant to intervene even as the station became cause for
>concern in
> secular Polish society.
>
> The Rev. Jan Chrapek, a bishop who sits on the church’s media
>council, and
> other church figures now say this was a mistake.
>
> “The church’s failure to clearly disassociate itself from Radio
>Maryja has
> estranged many believers,” said the Rev. Jozef Tischner, a
>Catholic
> philosopher at the Papal Academy of Theology in Krakow.
>
> The church issued its first reprimand this month, after Rydzyk
>ignored
> repeated summons for questioning in a slander investigation.
>Lawmakers
> demanded the probe after the priest said politicians seeking to
>liberalize
> Poland’s abortion law should have their heads shaved, a World War
>II
> method of branding Polish women suspected of prostituting
>themselves to the
> Nazi occupiers.
>
> Polish Primate Jozef Glemp, the country’s highest church official,
>said he was
> appalled by the priest’s contempt of judicial authorities. He
>urged the priest’s
> superior to rein him in. The superior, the Rev. Edward Nocun,
>pledged his
> support to the radio station.
>
> Loyal listeners did the same.
>
> For days after police investigating the slander accusations tried
>to pick up
> Rydzyk, who was abroad at the time, hundreds of people picketed
> prosecutors’ offices in Torun and elsewhere in Poland. Radio
>Maryja
> devotees jammed the Justice Ministry’s fax machine in Warsaw with
> protests.
>
> Bowing to the pressure, the ministry stopped trying to bring the
>priest in for
> questioning. In the end, Rydzyk showed up on his own. But on the
>air, he
> remained defiant.
>
> Officials should prosecute “real crimes, like killing unborn
>babies,” he told
> his listening audience.
>
> – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
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>Please note that my webpages are constantly under siege from hackers who want to silence me
>and therefore occasionally will be down. If the site is down, try it again in a few days or
>simply go to dejanews and pick up my articles there but beware of forged postings in my name
>eminating from home.com as well as someone who posts my articles under the guise of other unrelated posters.
>——————
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>News Archive of Posts and Essays Doc Tavish (recent)
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>————-
>http://www.microplanet.com
>A good newsreader because it has a feature called the ‘bozo bin’ which
>can be used to ignore and delete posts from j*ws. For newsgroup browsing
>use Gravity, for posting use Free Agent. Enjoy intelligent discussions
>without having to have it rudely interrupted by j*wish prattle).
>
>
>Also note that the federal government and various j*wish hate-groups are spending your tax dollars to hire federal agents
>and various ‘activists’ to spam the internet with forged posts in my name as well as in the name of other non-j*wish dissidents
>who are speaking out against j*wish tyranny. A good way to discern my posts from any imposter thus far is that the imposters
>usually degrade the conversation to petty insults and incomplete sentences. For those who are more computer literate, you can
>check the newsgroup headers for my posts – the ones actually coming from me will come through my news server setnet.
>
>Two examples of infiltrators who are trying to distort the right-wing message and create infighting are ‘bo’ gritz the
>militiaman and Harold Covington (http://nwspp.com)
>
>In addition to forged posts, these sneaks will also reply
>to a post in which they will doctor, or completly change
>what the original person said and then quote that as having
>been what the person actually said. They do this because
>they are incapable of arguing on the basis of facts or reason,
>and find a campaign of smearing or degredation to be more to
>their natures. 50% of the posts from ‘ourhero’ are forgeries but clearly visible to anyone who has read my posts for a while..
>=======================
>”The corrupt and politicized judicial system in America remains a
>threat to everyone, of course. It remains a tool which the rich and
>connected can use to harass and bankrupt the not-so-rich or the
>not-so-connected. That is a general sort of jeopardy which existed
>before the Dees lawsuit and will continue to exist until America
>undergoes a revoluntionary cleansing.”
>Dr. William L. Pierce
>——————-
>Stop the racist j*wish mafia! stop the j*wish conspiracy!
>The Peoples’ Resistance Movement – The Christian Alternative – Holywar
>”Onward Christian Soldiers!” Catholic webpage http://holywar.org
>
>”Remember that the j*w is above all a hater of human beings and the most dangerous animal on the face of the Earth.”
>
>AP News Briefs – http://www.boston.com/globe/latest/world/
>”Evil lives! online: j*wish journalism links”
>isra*li press links http://www.haifapress.org.il/e_nlinks.html
>j*wish telegraph agency http://virtual.co.il/news/jta/
From [email protected] Fri Jan 29 23:41:18 EST 1999
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Subject: Are Self-Styled “Nazi Hunters” A Charity?-UCCLA-1Jan99
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On Sat, 23 Jan 1999 15:21:01 -0800, Stefan Lemieszewski
>Forwarding the following media release by UCCLA.
>Stefan Lemieszewski
___________________________________________________________
>Ukrainian Canadian Civil Liberties Association
>Calgary Office, 48 Woodcrest Close SW, Calgary, Alberta T2W 3P9
>Tel: (403) 251 5594/Fax: (403) 238 4546
>Media Release
>
>ARE SELF STYLED “NAZI HUNTERS” A CHARITY?
>
>For Immediate Release (Calgary/Edmonton/Toronto) – 1 January 1999
>
>Representatives of the UKRAINIAN SELF RELIANCE LEAGUE OF CANADA have
>formally protested to Canada’s MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE, the
>Honourable HERB DHALIWAL, MP, about unsolicited bulk mail solicitation
>for donations by the Toronto-based FRIENDS OF THE SIMON WIESENTHAL
>CENTRE, which lists itself as having Canadian Charitable Registration
>Number 0567586-21-27. Recently, members of the USRL, and other Ukrainian
>Canadians, have received correspondence from the Wiesenthal Centre which
>claims that thousands of Ukrainians who were members of the Ukrainian
>Division “Galicia” during the Second World War and who allegedly
>slaughtered Jews in that period, are now living comfortably in Canada.
>The Wiesenthal Centre’s literature makes no mention of the fact that
>members of this Division were screened by Canadian, British, American
>and Soviet officials just after the war and that, in 1986, the
>Commission of Inquiry on War Criminals, headed by Mr. Justice JULES
>DESCHENES, reviewed their status and again cleared the unit of any
>complicity in war crimes. More recently, Canada’s MINISTER OF JUSTICE,
>the Honourable ANNE MCLELLAN, MP, herself acknowledged in
>correspondence with the UKRAINIAN CANADIAN CIVIL LIBERTIES ASSOCIATION
>that there is no evidence that would merit the commencement of court
>proceedings against any member of the Division.
>
>The USRL’s president, Edmonton lawyer, EUGENE HARASYMIW, has asked that
>the Minister of National Revenue explain how the distribution of “hate
>literature” of this type by the Friends of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre
>can be defined as “charitable.” The USRL has also called for the
>revocation of the Friends of the Wiesenthal Centre’s charitable status
>in Canada. Mr. Harasymiw likewise recommended that the Minister of
>Justice formally investigate the Wiesenthal group’s activities to
>determine if they have indeed been distributing “hate literature”
>through the Canadian postal system.
>
>Commenting, UCCLA’s chairman, J. B. GREGOROVICH, said: “We believe in
>free speech. If the Friends of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre wish to
>continue to mouth nonsense about the Ukrainian Division “Galicia” there
>is nothing we can do about that, but we fail to see how that kind of
>activity can ever be considered charitable. We find the literature being
>distributed by this group to be mendacious, malicious, and, worse, it
>specifically targets an identifiable group within Canadian society for
>opprobrium and contempt. It is hard to understand why the Minister of
>Justice would not find this material to be a species of hate literature.
>We certainly expect Mr Dhaliwal to revoke this group’s charitable tax
>number. There is a well-funded federal War Crimes Unit whose purpose it
>is to investigate whether there are any war criminals in Canada and to
>prosecute those against whom there is compelling evidence of wartime
>complicity in atrocities. The Friends are self-styled “Nazi hunters.”
>They are not involved in any educational or charitable work that we are
>aware of. It’s a free country and so these Friends can do whatever they
>like, except make use of Canada’s national postal system and the Tax Act
>to subsidize what many other Canadians find to be hateful.”
>
>
>**********************************************************************************************
>
>For More Information Please Contact:
>
>Mr Eugene Harasymiw, President, USRL, (403) 476-3581
>Mr John B Gregorovich, Chairman, UCCLA, (519) 323-9349
>
>visit www.infoukes.com/uccla
>
>
>National Office, Suite 277, 3044 Bloor Street West, Toronto, Ontario,
>M8X 2Y8
>
>
>
From [email protected] Fri Jan 29 23:41:20 EST 1999
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Subject: INTERPOL wants Jew war criminal.
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On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:22 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On 02 May 1998 16:44:09 GMT, [email protected] (Pan Janusz) wrote:
>>>Translated from Polish:
>>>Reprinted from “Polish Weekly” published in Australia.
>>>Office of the Provincial Prosecutor in Katowice issued the extradition papers
>>>for war criminal Samuel Morel. Polish authorities will ask authorities in
>>>Israel to extradite Morel.
>>>Morel is accused of “cruel treatment and tortures of prisoners and jeopardizing
>>>their safety and health.” Using common language, between years 1945-1950 he was
>>>beating prisoners, torturing and killing them.
>>>Morel was born in 1919, from 1940 was a member of Jewish band which was
>>>assaulting Polish villages in province of Kielce and robbing Polish farmers. In
>>>December of 1942 during one of their assaults the band was destroyed by a
>>>detachment of People’s Army ( communist guerillas in nazi occupied Poland).
>>>Father and brother of Morel were executed, he alone became a member of the
>>>People’s Army. He defected from the group when Red Army was inching toward
>>>province of Kielce and became a member of Soviet guerillas.
>>>Soon he became an officer of UB (communist Security Office in Soviet occupied
>>>Poland).
>>>In the beginning of 1945 he was sent to the region of Silesia and received the
>>>nomination on the camp commandant for Germans in Swietochlowice.
>>> About his crime committed in this camp wrote, among others, an American
>>>journalist John Sack in his book “Eye for an eye” ( for this book John Sack who
>>>is a Jew was decalred an antisemite).
>>>In the end of December of 1945 Morel had been transferred and became a warden
>>>of the UB prison in Opole. There he tortured Poles and Germans. He also
>>>tortured minors in the labor camp in Jaworzno which he was a commandant between
>>>1946-1950. He was fired from this post, for mortality among prisoners was too
>>>big.
>>
>>>In 1991 he was interviewed by a prosecutor, panicked and fled to Israel.
>>>After spending all his money, within few months he returned to Poland, but soon
>>>he surfaced in Sweden where he demanded political asylum argumenting that he
>>>was persecuted in Poland because he was a Jew. His plea was rejected and Morel
>>>again came back to Poland.
>>>On 10th of July Office of the Provincial Prosecutor in Katowice issued arrest
>>>warrant. They were late. Morel again fled to Israel.
>>>His retirement pention is being picked up by the wife of the criminal.
>>>Since 1996 Morel is on the most wanted list of the INTERPOL.
>>>According to international law he should be arrested by Israeli police and
>>>charged by Israel with war crimes.
>>>He should…..
>>
>>>Translated by Janusz Styber
>>
From [email protected] Fri Jan 29 23:41:27 EST 1999
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Subject: Nizkor Project=NAZIKOR
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On Sat, 21 Nov 1998 01:45:01 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>> [email protected] (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>>> > And do not ever FORGET, that the communists were mainly damn JEWS!!!!
>>> Yes, the list is long….
>On Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:34:46 +0000, “Dickey Hard %=====> – $$$$”
>
>>(Heiden, Konrad. Der Fuehrer. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company. 1944.
>>pp. 1-18)
>>” … This much was true, that in 1897 in Basel the Jewish Nationalist
>>Movement of the Zionists was born. The goal of this group, to put it
>>simply,
>>was to lead the Jews back again to Palestine; to state it more exactly,
>>to create for those Jews who were leading an intolerable life of
>>oppression, especially in Russia, a ‘legally assured homestead’ in
>>Palestine. In order to disappear in that little corner on the eastern
>>shore of
>>the Mediterranean they had, as Theodor Herzi, the founder of the
>>movement, put it, ‘to make the Jewish problem … a question of world
>>politics … ”
>
>>”The real purpose of Holocaust revisionism is to make National Socialism
>>an acceptable political alternative again.”
>
>
>
>On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:54:23 GMT, [email protected]
>wrote:
>>On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 05:38:17 GMT, [email protected]
>>(Ken!!!) wrote:
>>>there are idiot jews and there are idiot anti-jews…
>>>
>>>what is scary is the number if idiots willing to listen to these 2
>>>factions of idiots and promote violence…
>>
>>
>>>On Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:11:56 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>>Those who wish to support the Christkillers, the cursed JEWS, also
>>>>wish to rewrite history.
>>
>>>>They do not want the present survivors around the world to remember
>>>>that 100 million have been killed in the last 80 years by the JEW-led
>>>>communists!! This is well documented in the recently released book in
>>>>France.
>>
>>Quite apart from the more than 30 million people massacred by the
>>JEW-led soviets in the 1930’s in the Ukraine.
>
>
>From [email protected] Thu Nov 13 07:29:56 1997
>
>Subject: OyVay Admits JEW COMMUNISTS KILLED 100 MILLION PEOPLE!
>
>
>The key reason OyVay and NAZIKOR/NIZKOR refuse to discuss the 66
>Questions about the HOLOHOAX, is because they must hide the truth
>about the more than 100 MILLIONS the JEW-led communists have murdered,
>in less than 80 years!!!!
>
>
>On 12 Nov 1997 01:51:13 GMT, [email protected] (RWhita8200) wrote:
>
>>>Subject: COMMUNISTS KILLED 100 MILLION PEOPLE!
>>>From: [email protected] (ALAN GRIST)
>>>Date: Mon, Nov 10, 1997 18:15 EST
>
>>>French writers row over “communism killed l00m” claim
>>> FROM BEN MACINTYRE IN PARIS
>
>>>A BOOK by a team of French historians, described as the
>>>first global accounting of the victims of communism, has
>>>estimated that in this century Communist dictators, regimes
>>>and movements have been responsible for the deaths of
>>>up to 100 million people.
>
>>> The 850-page Black Book of Communism – Crimes, Terror
>>>and Repression, by 11 senior French researchers and
>>>published to coincide with yesterday’s 80th anniversary
>>>of the Bolshevik Revolution, has triggered a fresh ideologi-
>>>cal battle.
>
>>>The writers have come up with a final estimate that
>>>communism claimed about 65 million lives in China, 20
>>>million in the Soviet Union, two million in Cambodia, two
>>>million in North Korea, 1.7 Million in Africa, one million
>>>in Vietnam, one million in Eastern Europe and 150,000 in
>>>South America.
>
>>>In a polemical introduction, Stephane Courtois, the chief
>>>editor and co-ordinator of the project, argued that mass
>>>murder and terror have been central characteristics of com-
>>>munism. “The facts are stubborn,” he writes. “They show that
>>>the Communist regimes committed crimes against about 100 million
>>>people, compared to about 25 million for the Nazis.”
>>> Some of M Courtois’s fellow authors however, have taken
>>>issue both with his highly charged conclusions and with
>
>> But there’s no MONEY in these victims of Communism, so who cares?
>>
>>Bob Whitaker
>
>
>And do not ever FORGET, that the communists were mainly damn JEWS!!!!
>
>
>
From [email protected] Fri Jan 29 23:41:29 EST 1999
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Zionism and the Holohoax
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On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:12:43 +0800, “Devlin1”
>What a pile of nonsensical historical revisionism.
What seems to be incorrect, in the detailed article below??
On Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:00:50 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:17:45 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:31:10 -0600, “Bassam Kouatli”
>>>
>>>>Zionism and the Holocaust
>>>>Haim Bresheeth, in RETURN, March 1989
>>>>The first point to note regarding the appropriation of the history of the
>>>>Holocaust by Zionist propaganda is that Zionism without anti-Semitism is
>>>>impossible. Zionism agrees with the basic tenet of anti-Semitism, namely
>>>>that Jews cannot live with non-Jews.
>>>>The history and roots of the Holocaust go back a long way. While the
>>>>industry of death and destruction did not operate before 1942, its roots
>>>>were firmly placed in the 19th Century. Jewish aspirations for emancipation
>>>>emerged out of the national struggles in Europe. When the hopes for
>>>>liberation through bourgeois-democratic change were dashed, other
>>>>alternatives for improving the lot of the Jews of Europe achieved
>>>>prominence.
>>>>
>>>>The socialist Bund, a mass movement with enormous following, had to contend
>>>>with opposition from a new and small, almost insignificant opponent, the
>>>>political Zionists. In outline these two offered diametrically opposed
>>>>options for Jews in Europe. While the Bund was suggesting joining forces
>>>>with the rest of Europe’s workers, the Zionists were proposing a new
>>>>programme aimed at ridding Europe of its Jews by setting up some form of a
>>>>Jewish state.
>>>>
>>>>Historically, nothing is inevitable, all depends on the balance of forces
>>>>involved in the struggle. History can be seen as an option tree: every time
>>>>a certain option is chosen, other routes become barred. Because of that
>>>>choice, movement backwards to the point before that choice was mad is
>>>>impossible. While Zionism as an option was taken by many young Jews, it
>>>>remained a minority position until the first days of the 3rd Reich. The
>>>>Zionist Federation of Germany (ZVfD), an organisation representing a tiny
>>>>minority of German Jews, was selected by the Nazis as the body to represent
>>>>the Jews of the Reich. Its was the only flag of an international
>>>>organisation allowed to fly in Berlin, and this was the only international
>>>>organisation allowed to operate during this period. From a marginal
>>>>position, the leaders of the Zionist Federation were propelled to a
>>>>prominence and centrality that surprised even them. All of a sudden they
>>>>attained political power, power based not on representation, but from being
>>>>selected as the choice of the Nazi regime for dealing with the ‘Jewish
>>>>problem’. Their position in negotiating with the Nazis agreements that
>>>>affected the lives of many tens of thousands of the Jews in Germany
>>>>transformed them from a utopian, marginal organisation in Germany (and some
>>>>other countries in Europe) into a real option to be considered by German
>>>>Jews.
>>>>
>>>>The best example of this was the ‘Transfer Agreement’ of 1934. Immediately
>>>>after the Nazi takeover in 1933, Jews all over the world supported or were
>>>>organising a world wide boycott of German goods. This campaign hurt the Nazi
>>>>regime and the German authorities searched frantically for a way disabling
>>>>the boycott. It was clear that if Jews and Jewish organisations were to pull
>>>>out, the campaign would collapse.
>>>>
>>>>This problem was solved by the ZVfD. A letter sent to the Nazi party as
>>>>early as 21.6.33, outlined the degree of agreement that existed between the
>>>>two organisations on the questions of race, nation, and the nature of the
>>>>’Jewish problem’, and it offered to collaborate with the new regime:
>>>>
>>>>The realisation of Zionism could only be hurt by resentment of Jews abroad
>>>>against the German development. Boycott propaganda – such as is currently
>>>>being carried on against Germany in many ways – is in essence unZionist,
>>>>because Zionism wants not to do battle but to convince and build…
>>>>
>>>>In their eagerness to gain credence and the backing of the new regime, the
>>>>Zionist organisation managed to undermine the boycott. The main public act
>>>>was the signature of the ‘Transfer Agreement’ with the Nazi authorities
>>>>during the Zionist Congress of 1934. In essence, the agreement was designed
>>>>to get Germany’s Jews out of the country and into Mandate Palestine. It
>>>>provided a possibility for Jews to take a sizeable part of their property
>>>>out of the country, through a transfer of German goods to Palestine. This
>>>>right was denied to Jews leaving for any other destination (emphasis – ED).
>>>>The Zionist Organisation was the acting agent, through its financial
>>>>organisations. This agreement operated on a number of fronts ‘helping’ Jews
>>>>to leave the country, breaking the ring of the boycott, exporting German
>>>>goods in large quantities to Palestine, and last but not least, enabling the
>>>>regime to be seen as humane and reasonable even towards its avowed enemies,
>>>>the Jews. After all, they argued, the Jews do not belong in Europe and now
>>>>the Jews come and agree with them.
>>>>
>>>>After news of the agreement broke, the boycott was doomed. If the Zionist
>>>>Organisation found it possible and necessary to deal with the Nazis, and
>>>>import their goods, who could argue for a boycott? This was not the first
>>>>time that the interests of both movements were presented to the German
>>>>public as complementary. Baron Von Mildenstein, the first head of the Jewish
>>>>Department of the SS, later followed by Eichmann, was invited to travel to
>>>>Palestine. This he did in early 1933, in the company of a Zionist leader,
>>>>Kurt Tuchler. Having spent six months in Palestine, he wrote a series of
>>>>favourable articles in Der Sturmer describing the ‘new Jew’ of Zionism, a
>>>>Jew Nazis could accept and understand.
>>>>
>>>>This little-known episode established quite clearly the relationship during
>>>>the early days of Nazism, between the new regime and the ZVfD, a
>>>>relationship that was echoed later in a number of key instances, even after
>>>>the nature of the Final Solution became clear. In many cases this meant a
>>>>silencing of reports about the horrors of the exterminations. A book
>>>>concentrating on this aspect of the Zionist reaction to the Holocaust is
>>>>Post-Ugandan Zionism in the Crucible of the Holocaust, by S.B. Beth-Zvi.
>>>>
>>>>In the case of the Kastner episode, around which Jim Allen’s play PERDITION
>>>>is based, even the normal excuse of lack of knowledge of the real nature of
>>>>events does not exist. It occurred near the end of the war. The USSR had
>>>>advanced almost up to Germany. Italy and the African bases had been lost.
>>>>The Nazis were on the run, with a number of key countries, such as Rumania,
>>>>leaving the Axis. A second front was a matter of months away, as the western
>>>>Allies prepared their forces. In the midst of all this we find Eichmann, the
>>>>master bureaucrat of industrial murder, setting up is HQ in occupied
>>>>Budapest, after the German takeover of the country in April 1944. His first
>>>>act was to have a conference with the Jewish leadership, and to appoint
>>>>Zionist Federation members, headed by Kastner, as the agent and clearing
>>>>house for all Jews in their relationship with the SS and Nazi authorities.
>>>>Why they did this is not difficult to see. As opposed to Poland, where its
>>>>three and half million Jews lived in ghettoes and were visible different
>>>>from the rest of the Polish population, the Hungarian Jews were in
>>>>integrated part of the community. The middle class was mainly Jewish, the
>>>>Jews were mainly middle class. They enjoyed freedom of travel, served in the
>>>>Hungarian (fascist) army in frontline units, as officers and soldiers, their
>>>>names were Hungarian – how was Eichmann to find them if they were to be
>>>>exterminated ? The task was not easy, there were a million Jews in Hungary,
>>>>most of them resident, the rest being refugees from other countries. Many
>>>>had heard about the fate of Jews elsewhere, and were unlikely to believe any
>>>>statements by Nazi officials.
>>>>
>>>>Like elsewhere, the only people who had the information and the ear of the
>>>>frightened Jewish population were the Judenrat. In this case the Judenrat
>>>>comprised mainly the Zionist Federation members. Without their help the SS,
>>>>with 19 officers and less than 90 men, plus a few hundred Hungarian police,
>>>>could not have collected and controlled a million Jews, when they did not
>>>>even know their whereabouts. Kastner and the others were left under no
>>>>illusions. Eichmann told Joel Brand, one of the members of Kastner’s
>>>>committee, that he intended to send all Hungary’s Jews to Auschwitz, before
>>>>he even started the expulsions! He told them clearly that all these Jews
>>>>will die, 12,000 a day, unless certain conditions were met.
>>>>
>>>>The Committee faced a simple choice – to tell the Jews of Hungary about
>>>>their fate, (with neutral Rumania, where many could escape, being in most
>>>>cases a few hours away) or to collaborate with the Nazis by assisting in the
>>>>concentration process. What would not have been believed when coming from
>>>>the SS, sounded quite plausible when coming from the mouths of the Zionist
>>>>leadership. Thus it is, that most of the Hungarian Jews went quietly to
>>>>their death, assured by their leadership that they were sent to work camps.
>>>>
>>>>To be sure, there are thirty pieces of silver in this narrative of
>>>>destruction: the trains of ‘prominents’ which Eichmann promised to Kastner –
>>>>a promise he kept to the last detail. For Eichmann it was a bargain:
>>>>allowing 1,680 Jews to survive, as the price paid for the silent
>>>>collaboration over the death of almost a million Jews.
>>>>
>>>>There was no way in which the Jews of Hungary could even be located, not to
>>>>say murdered, without the full collaboration of Kastner and his few friends.
>>>>No doubt the SS would hunt a few Jews here and there, but the scale of the
>>>>operation would have been minuscule compared to the half million who died in
>>>>Auschwitz.
>>>>
>>>>It is important to realise that Kastner was not an aberration, like say
>>>>Rumkovky in Lodz. Kastner acted as a result of his strongly held Zionist
>>>>convictions. His actions were a logical outcome of earlier positions. This
>>>>is instanced when he exposed to the Gestapo the existence of a British cell
>>>>of saboteurs, Palgi and Senesh, and persuaded them to give themselves up, so
>>>>as not to disrupt his operations. At no point during his trial or elsewhere,
>>>>did Kastner deny that he knew exactly what was to happen to those Jews.
>>>>
>>>>To conclude, the role played by Zionists in this period, was connected to
>>>>another role they could, and should have played, that of alarming the whole
>>>>world to what was happening in Europe. They had the information, but
>>>>politically it was contrary to their priorities. The priorities were, and
>>>>still are, quite simple: All that furthers the Zionist enterprise in
>>>>Palestine is followed, whatever the price. The lives of individuals, Jews
>>>>and non-Jews, are secondary. If this process requires dealing with fascists,
>>>>Nazis and other assorted dictatorial regimes across the world, so be it.
>>>>You’ll find more at: http://www.alquds.org/palestine/
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Subject: Re: COURT ORDERS BRONFMANS TO PAY TAXES!!!
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>On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 00:22:11 GMT, [email protected] (John Corman)
>wrote:
>>On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 05:44:21 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>Exactly. Let’s try to look at this from a different perspective. The
>>>Bronfman family tried to circumvent $700 million from tax coffers. Whether
>>>or not this is legal has yet to be decided by the courts.
>>============================================================================
>YES, it is completely true, as documented by the two news stories,
>below.
>>Is it true that 1)they circumvented paying that kind of money
>and 2)
>>that it’s before the courts?
>YES, the swindle case has been before the Courts in Canada, and was
>initially reported on 25 November 1997, as detailed below.
>>It’s my understanding that it’s a done deal and not before the courts.
>>Revenue Canada doesn’t particularly like it because the eventual taxes
>>due when the various capital gains materialize may not be as easy to
>>collect now that the trust is a non resident of Canada.
>Presumably, Revenue Canada will have to seize other Bronfman assets in
>Canada, such as Seagrams, etc.
>Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Muldoon of
>the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
>more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
>Further, Justice Muldoon ruled that Revenue Canada’s actions
>”smells” of “grave maladministration” and favouritism.
>Justice Muldoon also commented that Harris acted “on behalf
>of all fellow taxpayers,except the favoured few.”
>Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of the
>Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
>more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
>On 12 Apr 1998 22:36:43 -0700, [email protected] (Ken McVay)
>wrote:
>>In article
>>>Canadian Press are reporting in Canada, that a Winnipeg taxpayer is in
>>>Federal Court, concerning the illegal transfer of 2.2 BILLION by the
>>>BRONFMAN JEWS!!!
>Canadian Press are reporting in Canada, that a Winnipeg taxpayer is in
>Federal Court, concerning the illegal transfer of 2.2 BILLION by the
>BRONFMAN JEWS!!!
>In fact Revenue Canada officials had decided 12 December 1991 that the
>Bronfmans were supposed to pay their taxes on this money!!!
>George Harris, according to CP, is claiming that the Auditor General
>of Canada in May 1996, exposed the fact that the JEW Bronfmans did
>not pay their taxes on the 2.2 Billion, thereby cheating the tax
>department out of ” hundreds of millions of dollars”!!!
>Harris is fighting for the rights of all non-JEW taxpayers on this
>issue.
>He is quoted as saying, according to CP:”He will be helping to sustain
>public confidence in our income tax system, as well as the
>administration of justice generally.”
>Could it be that the goy-boy Oyvay finally got kicked out of NIZKOR,
>since the Bnai Brith could no longer stand the heat of the
>investigations for tax fraud?
>Did the IRS and Revenue Canada taxation finally get fed up with the
>multi-million dollar FRAUD by OyVay??
>Is that why the filthy pervert OyVay is now in hiding back in
>Nanaimo???
>Is OyVay back to being a “gas station attendant” for his living, or is
>it again on welfare??
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Subject: Re: Murderous Rabbi Charged
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>On 14 Jan 1999 01:08:16 GMT, [email protected] (PHILNANCY) wrote:
>>> Ed Kadach
>>>RABBI CHARGED IN WIFE’S DEATH
>>>Allegedly Hired Hit Man to Perform 1994 Killing
>>>Jan. 11, 1999
>>>By Michelle Gotthelf
>>>CAMDEN, N.J. (APB) — A once-prominent rabbi was indicted today on
>>>murder charges for allegedly hiring a hit man to bludgeon his wife to
>>>death in a robbery staged at their home, authorities said.
>>>AP
>>>Rabbi Fred J. Neulander
>>>Rabbi Fred J. Neulander, 57, of Cherry Hill, conspired to commit murder
>>>in the 1994 slaying of his 52-year-old wife, Carol, a Camden County
>>>grand jury concluded. She was found beaten to death on the couple’s
>>>living room floor, Camden County spokesman Greg Reinert told APB News.
>>>Prosecutors said Neulander became a suspect in his wife’s murder after
>>>rumors surfaced that he had been involved in numerous love affairs —
>>>one with a Philadelphia radio show host, who demanded he leave his wife
>>>and end his marriage. He was charged last September with arranging the
>>>killing.
>>>Prosecutors said it took awhile to compile enough evidence to charge and
>>>indict the former rabbi.
>>>Phony deliveryman
>>>Neulander said he found his wife’s body on Nov. 1, 1994, when he
>>>returned from the synagogue after an evening event. Her purse was
>>>missing, but no other valuables had been touched.
>>>Carol Neulander was killed by a hit man posing as a deliveryman,
>>>authorities said. They believe the same man came to the house two weeks
>>>earlier and handed her an envelope and asked to use the bathroom.
>>>According to the grand jury indictment, Neulander conspired with and
>>>acted as an accomplice of “a person or persons unknown” to carry out the
>>>slaying.
>>>He is free on $400,000 bail.
>>>Faces life imprisonment
>>>Investigators said Neulander told one of his lovers that he intended to
>>>marry her, but was concerned that a divorce would cost him his position
>>>at the reform synagogue he founded, Congregation M’Kor Shalom in Cherry
>>>Hill.
>>>Three months after his wife’s killing, Neulander resigned his position
>>>at the temple. He was then suspended from the Central Conference of
>>>American Rabbis, the nation’s Reform rabbinical organization, after
>>>admitting he became romantically involved with two congregants who went
>>>to him for counseling.
>>>Neulander is not charged with personally committing the homicidal acts
>>>and does not face the death penalty if convicted. He does, however, face
>>>life imprisonment with the possibility of parole after 30 years.
>>And what is the relevance of this to this NG?
>Why shouldn’t an article about a JEW rabbi murderer NOT be relevant??
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Subject: Commercializing the Holohoax
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On Tue, 03 Nov 1998 20:32:10 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:45:53 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>Commercializing’ the Holocaust
>>The Los Angeles Wiesenthal Center pays the Vienna “Nazi Hunter” $75,000 a year for the use of his name, the director of Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust
>>center said in 1988.
>>Both the Center and Wiesenthal “commercialize” and “trivialize” the Holocaust, the director added.
>>Wiesenthal “threw out” the figure of “11 million who were murdered in the Holocaust — six million Jews and five million non-Jews,” said the Yad
>>Vashem official. When asked why he gave these figures, Wiesenthal replied: “The gentiles will not pay attention if we do not mention their victims,
>>too.” Wiesenthal “chose ‘five million (gentiles)’ because he wanted a ‘diplomatic’ number, one that told of a large number of gentile victims but in
>>no way was larger than that of Jews …”
>>”What Wiesenthal and the Los Angeles Center that bears his name do is to trivialize the Holocaust,” commented The Jewish Press, a weekly that claims
>>to be the largest-circulation English-language Jewish community paper in America.
>>In recent years Wiesenthal has been concerned about the growing impact of Holocaust revisionism. In “A Message from Simon Wiesenthal” published by the
>>Center that bears his name, he said: “Today, when I see the rise of antisemitism here in Europe … the popularity of Le Pen, of David Duke, of the
>>Holocaust revisionists, then I am convinced more than ever about the need for our new [Wiesenthal Center] Beit Hashoah-Museum of Tolerance” in Los
>>Angeles.
>>Wiesenthal is often asked why he does not forgive those who persecuted Jews half a century ago. His stock answer is that although he has the right to
>>forgive for himself, he does not have the right to forgive on behalf of others.On the basis of this sophistical logic, though, neither does he have
>>the right to accuse and track down anyone in the name of others. Wiesenthal has never confined his “hunt” to those who victimized him personally.
>>END OF ARTICLE (From Radio Islam http://www.radioislam.org)
>>Sadly the above portrayal is the type of crazy person that results from zionist breeding (inbreeding ?) and zionist brainwashing.
>>A proof that zionism makes the human mind go crazy by it’s demands on adherents that they believe the unbelievable.
>>I , Abu Jihad , have dealt with and seen too many screaming zionist crazies on these newsgroups to believe that this is an isolated phenomenon.
>>Sometimes one can almost feel these rabid “jewish” zionists foaming at the mouth like demented creatures of the Twilight Zone as they clatter away at
>>their keyboards with their transmogrifying hands-cum-paws. Trying desperately to hide the truth about Satanic World Zionism and the Satanic Zionist
>>Occupation of Palestine. But God has truly cursed them and now more and more people are spreading the truth about their lying ways. On USENET. On the
>>Web. On Radio (what little of it that remains free of Zionist “jewish” control- and that’s very little). Slowly but surely more and more people are
>>waking up to the reality of Zionist control and conspiracy of the world’s media , resources and markets.
>>Their devious manipulation and world-wide control of the newsmedia and newspapers turning them into JEWSMEDIA and JEWSPAPERS.
>>Their USURY ,and swindling of the world financial system Look at Wall Street for example Wall Street is a hornet’s nest of scheming Jewish thieves and
>>criminals.In the 1980s four men nearly destroyed Wall Street,the four–Michael Milken, Ivan Boesky, Dennis Levine, and Martin Siegel–are Jews, and
>>they stole billions of dollars.Not to forget to mention George Soros and the other International Jewish Bankers who have raped Thailand , Malaysia ,
>>Britain , Indonesia by speculating on their currencies. Yet again we see the pattern emerging of the International Jew-Zionist rampant throughout the
>>world’s Nations in search of profits and destroying whole Nations’ economies in the process.
>>ABU JIHAD …The voice from the desert crying out for all to see the rising danger before it is too late.
>>**************************************************
>>VISIT Radio Islam http://www.radioislam.org
>>**************************************************
–
>>TO ALL THE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD :
>>SATANIC ZIONISM IS THE ENEMY OF ALL THE WORLD’S PEOPLE
>>UNITE TO FREE YOURSELF FROM THE “jewish” ZIONIST SHACKLES AND CHAINS BINDING YOU !!!
>>FREE PALESTINE FROM ZIONIST OCCUPATION
>>NO MORE HOLOHOAX LIES
>>NO MORE JEWSMEDIA LIES.
>>NO MORE JEWSMEDIA PERIOD.
>>NO MORE JEWSPAPERS HIDING THE PALESTINIAN HOLOCAUST.
>>NO MORE JEWSPAPERS PERIOD.
>>ABU JIHAD
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Subject: Re: PM Chretien controversy for excluding Polish Canadians on Auschwitz visit – Ottawa citizen -26Jan99
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On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:43:22 -0800, Stefan Lemieszewski
>http://www.southam.com/ottawacitizen/newsnow/cpfs/world/990125/w012509.html
>The Ottawa Citizen
>26Jan99
>Chretien faces controversy for excluding Polish Canadians on Auschwitz
>visit
>HELEN BRANSWELL
>WARSAW (CP) – Prime Minister Jean Chretien became embroiled Monday in
>the ongoing controversy over the commemoration of those who died at the
>Nazi death camp Auschwitz.
>Chretien faced criticism for not inviting representatives of the
>substantial Polish Canadian community to accompany him Sunday when he
>visited Auschwitz-Birkenau, where 1.5 million people, mainly Jews, were
>killed by the Nazis during the Second World War.
Cretin ignored the people of Polish and other ethnics..
>At a news conference Chretien held with Polish Prime Minister Jerzy
>Busek, a Polish journalist asked why Chretien’s delegation to Auschwitz
>didn’t include representatives of the “numerous population of Canadians
>of Polish decent” while representatives of the Canadian Jewish community
>did accompany him.
Actually, it was almost exclusively zhids who were with Cretin.
>The question echoes complaints the Polish Canadian Congress has been
>making in Canada.
>Chretien said his office had invited representatives of the Polish,
>Jewish and Ukrainian communities – he visits Ukraine later in the week –
>to accompany him on this trip to Europe, but that the Polish Canadian
>Congress declined when they learned their members would not be allowed
>to travel on the prime minister’s plane.
Only the zhids were allowed on the PM’s plane – is Cretin really a
JEW??
>”They were invited the same way that any other groups were invited,”
>Chretien said. “There was absolutely no change in the practice of the
>past.”
>What Chretien did not say was that the Polish Canadian Congress asked to
>be included in the delegation to Auschwitz when they learned the
>Canadian Jewish Congress and B’nai Brith would take part.
>They were turned down.
Only the cursed zhids were allowed with the PM.
>Later, the prime minister’s director of communications defended the
>decision not to include representatives of the other ethnic groups who
>died at Auschwitz.
The BS leader was a female zhid, according to reports in Canada.
>”There were many European nationalities victimized there,” Peter Donolo
>said. “The decision was taken not to single out any nationality. But because 90 per
>cent (of the people who died there) were Jewish, it was thought that was
>a very appropriate way to honour them.”
>Mordechai Ronen, who survived internment in Auschwitz, toured the
>facility with the prime minister’s entourage and presided over a brief
>prayer ceremony in which the Jewish prayer for the dead was recited.
>The preservation of Auschwitz has been an ongoing subject of
>controversy.
>Jewish leaders worldwide took offence when an order of Carmelite nuns
>opened a Roman Catholic convent at the edge of Birkenau – also known as
>Auschwitz 2 – in 1984 in memory of Christians, Polish and otherwise, who
>died in the camps.
>The convent later became a church after the nuns evacuated in 1993 at
>the behest of the Pope.
>But other efforts to mark the toll Auschwitz took on Polish Catholics
>have also raised the ire of the Jewish community.
>They have protested the erection of a large cross and dozens of smaller
>ones at a site adjacent to Auschwitz, where the Nazis murdered 152
>Polish resisters.
>Jewish organizations have called the crosses an insult to the memory of
>Jews killed at the camp, saying they give a false impression that
>mostly Christians were killed at the camps.
Since Oswiecim is in POland, it is the right of the Polish people to
do what THEY wish, in their country.
>Donolo noted that Chretien will pay homage to the toll Poland suffered
>during the Nazi occupation when he lays a wreath at the tomb of the
>unknown soldier and attends the dedication of a monument to Canadian and
>Polish units which fought together during the war.
>Chretien also noted that his entourage includes three members of
>Parliament of Polish descent.
Not Polish, but JEWS!!!
>”He considers that to be an eloquent statement of how involved that
>community is in Canada,” Donolo said.
> © The Canadian Press, 1999
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On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:13:45 +0100, mike muth
>> >>And what is the relevance of this to this NG?
>
>> >Why shouldn’t an article about a JEW rabbi murderer NOT be relevant??
>Mike
>On 14 Jan 1999 01:08:16 GMT, [email protected] (PHILNANCY) wrote:
>>> Ed Kadach
>>>RABBI CHARGED IN WIFE’S DEATH
>>>Allegedly Hired Hit Man to Perform 1994 Killing
>>>Jan. 11, 1999
>>>By Michelle Gotthelf
>>>CAMDEN, N.J. (APB) — A once-prominent rabbi was indicted today on
>>>murder charges for allegedly hiring a hit man to bludgeon his wife to
>>>death in a robbery staged at their home, authorities said.
>>>AP
>>>Rabbi Fred J. Neulander
>>>Rabbi Fred J. Neulander, 57, of Cherry Hill, conspired to commit murder
>>>in the 1994 slaying of his 52-year-old wife, Carol, a Camden County
>>>grand jury concluded. She was found beaten to death on the couple’s
>>>living room floor, Camden County spokesman Greg Reinert told APB News.
>>>Prosecutors said Neulander became a suspect in his wife’s murder after
>>>rumors surfaced that he had been involved in numerous love affairs —
>>>one with a Philadelphia radio show host, who demanded he leave his wife
>>>and end his marriage. He was charged last September with arranging the
>>>killing.
>>>Prosecutors said it took awhile to compile enough evidence to charge and
>>>indict the former rabbi.
>>>Phony deliveryman
>>>Neulander said he found his wife’s body on Nov. 1, 1994, when he
>>>returned from the synagogue after an evening event. Her purse was
>>>missing, but no other valuables had been touched.
>>>Carol Neulander was killed by a hit man posing as a deliveryman,
>>>authorities said. They believe the same man came to the house two weeks
>>>earlier and handed her an envelope and asked to use the bathroom.
>>>According to the grand jury indictment, Neulander conspired with and
>>>acted as an accomplice of “a person or persons unknown” to carry out the
>>>slaying.
>>>He is free on $400,000 bail.
>>>Faces life imprisonment
>>>Investigators said Neulander told one of his lovers that he intended to
>>>marry her, but was concerned that a divorce would cost him his position
>>>at the reform synagogue he founded, Congregation M’Kor Shalom in Cherry
>>>Hill.
>>>Three months after his wife’s killing, Neulander resigned his position
>>>at the temple. He was then suspended from the Central Conference of
>>>American Rabbis, the nation’s Reform rabbinical organization, after
>>>admitting he became romantically involved with two congregants who went
>>>to him for counseling.
>>>Neulander is not charged with personally committing the homicidal acts
>>>and does not face the death penalty if convicted. He does, however, face
>>>life imprisonment with the possibility of parole after 30 years.
>>And what is the relevance of this to this NG?
>Why shouldn’t an article about a JEW rabbi murderer NOT be relevant??
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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach
>wrote:
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world’s sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>> NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON’T ADD UP
>>
>> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted “to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine.”
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>> With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust “survivors” had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real “bible”, The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>> The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death “in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as “gospel truth”.
>> It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>”extermination camp”.
>>
>> HIMMLER-“REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”
>>
>> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that “The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” (Source,
>>Reitlinger’s book, “The Final Solution.”)
>> The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler’s
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, “Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates.” (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the “shockingly high mortality figures.” (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”
>> With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>”Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals”. It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>> THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, “Books and Bookmen”, April 1975, page 5,
>>”No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.”
>> The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>> This brings up the following questions.
>> 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>> 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>> 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>> 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, “The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them.” (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>> FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>> Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such “confessions” are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the “Confession’ and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>> Hoess statement read, “half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking.”
>> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not “ventable”. The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber “eating and smoking” – without
>>gas masks – only minutes after the gassing – IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>> GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, “The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann” pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>”became immediately gaseous.”
>> The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: “We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air.”
>>
>> CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), “We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped.” If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>> THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT’S ALL! In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18′ doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>> A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer’s book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich.” It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company’s ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>> “The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning.”
>> WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people – this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>> It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was “taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!”
>>
>> WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. “It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps.”
>> Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: “I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.”
>> Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>”The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie – the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time.”
>> Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. “The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.”
>>
>> WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, “Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists.”
>> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, “The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews.”
>> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: “The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews.”
>> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being “anti-Semitic” and “insensitive” to holocaust
>>victims.
>> The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>> A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>> The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don’t use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>> HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.
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Subject: Jews and White Slave Trade
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On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:43:43 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:29:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:26:24 -0400, “Dan Parker”
>>
>>>Traffickers’ New Cargo:
>>>Naive Slavic Women
>>>By MICHAEL SPECTER
>>>Ramle, Israel—Irina always assumed that her beauty would somehow rescue her
>>>from the poverty and hopelessness of village life. A few months ago, after
>>>answering a vague ad in a small Ukrainian newspaper, she slipped off a tour
>>>boat when it put in at Haifa, hoping to make a bundle dancing naked on the
>>>tops of tables.
>>>
>>>She was 21, self-assured and glad to be out of Ukraine. Israel offered a new
>>>world, and for a week or two everything seemed possible. Then, one morning,
>>>she was driven to a brothel, where her boss burned her passport before her
>>>eyes.
>>>
>>>“I own you,” she recalled his saying. “You are my property, and you will
>>>work until you earn your way out. Don’t try to leave. You have no papers and
>>>you don’t speak Hebrew. You will be arrested and deported. Then we will get
>>>you and bring you back.”
>>>
>>>It happens every single day. Not just in Israel, which has deported nearly
>>>1,500 Russian and Ukrainian women like Irina in the past three years. But
>>>throughout the world, where selling naive and desperate young women into
>>>sexual bondage has become one of the fastest-growing criminal enterprises in
>>>the robust global economy.
>>>
>>>The international bazaar for women is hardly new, of course. Asians have
>>>been its basic commodity for decades. But economic hopelessness in the
>>>Slavic world has opened what experts call the most lucrative market of all
>>>to criminal gangs that have flourished since the fall of Communism: Eastern
>>>European women with little to sustain them but their dreams. Pimps, law-
>>>enforcement officials and relief groups all agree that Ukrainian and Russian
>>>women are now the most valuable in the trade.
>>>
>>>Because their immigration is often illegal—and because some percentage of
>>>the women choose to work as prostitutes—statistics are difficult to assess.
>>>But the United Nations estimates that 4 million people throughout the world
>>>are trafficked each year—forced through lies and coercion to work against
>>>their will in many types of servitude. The International Organization for
>>>Migration has said that as many as 500,000 women are annually trafficked
>>>into Western Europe alone.
>>>
>>>Many end up like Irina. Stunned and outraged by the sudden order to
>>>prostitute herself, she simply refused. She was beaten and raped before she
>>>succumbed. Finally she got a break. The brothel was raided, and she was
>>>brought here to Neve Tirtsa in Ramle, the only women’s prison in Israel.
>>>Now, like hundreds of Ukrainian and Russian women with no documents or
>>>obvious forgeries, she is waiting to be sent home.
>>>
>>>“I don’t think the man who ruined my life will even be fined,” she said
>>>softly, slow tears filling her enormous green eyes. “You can call me a fool
>>>for coming here. That’s my crime. I am stupid. A stupid girl from a little
>>>village. But can people really buy and sell women and get away with it?
>>>Sometimes I sit here and ask myself if that really happened to me, if it can
>>>really happen at all.”
>>>
>>>Then, waving her arm toward the muddy prison yard, where Russian is spoken
>>>more commonly than Hebrew, she whispered one last thought: “I’m not the only
>>>one, you know. They have ruined us all.”
>>>
>>>Traffic Patterns: Russia and Ukraine Supply the Flesh
>>>
>>>Centered in Moscow and the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, the networks trafficking
>>>women run east to Japan and Thailand, where thousands of young Slavic women
>>>now work against their will as prostitutes, and west to the Adriatic Coast
>>>and beyond. The routes are controlled by Russian crime gangs based in
>>>Moscow. Even when they do not specifically move the women overseas, they
>>>provide security, logistical support, liaison with brothel owners in many
>>>countries and, usually, false documents.
>>>
>>>Women often start their hellish journey by choice. Seeking a better life,
>>>they are lured by local advertisements for good jobs in foreign countries at
>>>wages they could never imagine at home.
>>>
>>>In Ukraine alone, the number of women who leave is staggering. As many as
>>>400,000 women under 30 have gone in the past decade, according to their
>>>country’s interior ministry. The Thai Embassy in Moscow, which processes
>>>visa applications from Russia and Ukraine, says it receives nearly 1,000
>>>visa applications a day, most of these from women.
>>>
>>>Israel is a fairly typical destination. Prostitution is not illegal here,
>>>although brothels are, and with 250,000 foreign male workers—most of whom
>>>are single or here without their wives—the demand is great. Police officials
>>>estimate that there are 25,000 paid sexual transactions every day. Brothels
>>>are ubiquitous.
>>>
>>>None of the women seem to realize the risks they run until it is too late.
>>>Once they cross the border their passports will be confiscated, their
>>>freedoms curtailed and what little money they have taken from them at once.
>>>
>>>“You want to tell these kids that if something seems too good to be true it
>>>usually is,” said Lyudmilla Biryuk, a Ukrainian psychologist who has
>>>counseled women who have escaped or been released from bondage. “But you can
>>>’t imagine what fear and real ignorance can do to a person.”
>>>
>>>The women are smuggled by car, bus, boat and plane. Handed off in the dead
>>>of night, many are told they will pick oranges, work as dancers or as
>>>waitresses. Others have decided to try their luck at prostitution, usually
>>>for what they assume will be a few lucrative months. They have no idea of
>>>the violence that awaits them.
>>>
>>>The efficient, economically brutal routine—whether here in Israel, or in one
>>>of a dozen other countries—rarely varies. Women are held in apartments, bars
>>>and makeshift brothels; there they service, by their own count, as many as
>>>15 clients a day. Often they sleep in shifts, four to a bed. The best that
>>>most hope for is to be deported after the police finally catch up with their
>>>captors.
>>>
>>>Few ever testify. Those who do risk death. Last year in Istanbul, Turkey,
>>>according to Ukrainian police investigators, two women were thrown to their
>>>deaths from a balcony while six of their Russian friends watched.
>>>
>>>In Serbia, also last year, said a young Ukrainian woman who escaped in
>>>October, a woman who refused to work as a prostitute was beheaded in public.
>>>
>>>In Milan, Italy, a week before Christmas, the police broke up a ring that
>>>was holding auctions in which women abducted from the countries of the
>>>former Soviet Union were put on blocks, partially naked, and sold at an
>>>average price of just under $1,000.
>>>
>>>“This is happening wherever you look now,” said Michael Platzer, the Vienna,
>>>Austria-based head of operations for the U.N.’s Center for International
>>>Crime Prevention. “The Mafia is not stupid. There is less law enforcement
>>>since the Soviet Union fell apart and more freedom of movement. The earnings
>>>are incredible. The overhead is low—you don’t have to buy cars and guns.
>>>Drugs you sell once and they are gone. Women can earn money for a long
>>>time.”
>>>
>>>“Also,” he added, “the laws help the gangsters. Prostitution is semilegal in
>>>many places and that makes enforcement tricky. In most cases punishment is
>>>very light.”
>>>
>>>In some countries, Israel among them, there is not even a specific law
>>>against the sale of human beings.
>>>
>>>Platzer said that although certainly “tens of thousands” of women were sold
>>>into prostitution each year, he was uncomfortable with statistics since
>>>nobody involved has any reason to tell the truth.
>>>
>>>“But if you want to use numbers,” he said, “think about this. Two hundred
>>>million people are victims of contemporary forms of slavery. Most aren’t
>>>prostitutes, of course, but children in sweatshops, domestic workers,
>>>migrants. During four centuries, 12 million people were believed to be
>>>involved in the slave trade between Africa and the New World. The 200
>>>million—and many of course are women who are trafficked for sex—is a current
>>>figure. It’s happening now. Today.”
>>>
>>>Distress Calls: Far-Flung Victims Provide Few Clues
>>>
>>>The distress call came from Donetsk, the bleak center of coal production in
>>>southern Ukraine. A woman was screaming on the telephone line. Her sister
>>>and a friend were prisoners in a bar somewhere near Rome. They spoke no
>>>Italian and had no way out, but had managed, briefly, to get hold of a man’s
>>>cell phone.
>>>
>>>“Do you have any idea where they are, exactly?” asked Olga Shved, who runs
>>>La Strada in Kiev, Ukraine’s new center dedicated to fighting the
>>>trafficking of women in Eastern Europe and the countries of the former
>>>Soviet Union.
>>>
>>>The woman’s answer was no. Ms. Shved began searching for files and telephone
>>>numbers of the local consul, the police, anybody who could help.
>>>
>>>“Do they know how far from Rome they are?” she asked, her voice tightening
>>>with each word. “What about the name of the street or the bar? Anything will
>>>help,” she said, jotting notes furiously as she spoke. “We can get the
>>>police on this, but we need something. If they call back, tell them to give
>>>us a clue. The street number. The number of a bus that runs past. One thing
>>>is all we need.”
>>>
>>>Ms. Shved hung up and called officials at Ukraine’s Interior Ministry and
>>>the Foreign Ministry. Her conversations were short, direct and obviously a
>>>routine part of her job.
>>>
>>>That is because Ukraine—and to a lesser degree its Slavic neighbors Russia
>>>and Belarus—has replaced Thailand and the Philippines as the epicenter of
>>>the global business in trafficking women. The Ukrainian problem has been
>>>worsened by a ravaged economy, an atrophied system of law enforcement, and
>>>criminal gangs that grow more brazen each year. Young European women are in
>>>demand, and Ukraine, a country of 51 million people, has a seemingly endless
>>>supply. It is not that hard to see why.
>>>
>>>Neither Russia nor Ukraine reports accurate unemployment statistics. But
>>>even partial numbers present a clear story of chaos and economic
>>>dislocation. Federal employment statistics in Ukraine indicate that more
>>>than two-thirds of the unemployed are women. The government also keeps
>>>another statistic: employed but not working. Those are people who
>>>technically have jobs, and can use company amenities like day-care centers
>>>and hospitals. But they do not work or get paid. Three-quarters are women.
>>>And of those who have lost their jobs since the Soviet Union dissolved in
>>>1991, more than 80 percent are women.
>>>
>>>The average salary in Ukraine today is slightly less than $30 a month, but
>>>it is half that in the small towns that criminal gangs favor for recruiting
>>>women to work abroad. On average, there are 30 applicants for every job in
>>>most Ukrainian cities. There is no real hope; but there is freedom.
>>>
>>>In that climate, looking for work in foreign countries has increasingly
>>>become a matter of survival.
>>>
>>>“It’s no secret that the highest prices now go for the white women,” said
>>>Marco Buffo, executive director of On the Road, an antitrafficking
>>>organization in northern Italy. “They are the novelty item now. It used to
>>>be Nigerians and Asians at the top of the market. Now it’s the Ukrainians.”
>>>
>>>Economics is not the only factor causing women to flee their homelands.
>>>There is also social reality. For the first time, young women in Ukraine and
>>>Russia have the right, the ability and the willpower to walk away from their
>>>parents and their hometowns. Village life is disintegrating throughout much
>>>of the former Soviet world, and youngsters are grabbing any chance they can
>>>find to save themselves.
>>>“After the wall fell down, the Ukrainian people tried to live in the new
>>>circumstances,” said Ms. Shved. “It was very hard, and it gets no easier.
>>>Girls now have few opportunities yet great freedom. They see ‘Pretty Woman,’
>>>or a thousand movies and ads with the same point, that somebody who is rich
>>>can save them. The glory and ease of wealth is almost the basic point of the
>>>Western advertising that we see. Here the towns are dying. What jobs there
>>>are go to men. So they leave.”
>>>
>>>First, however, they answer ads from employment agencies promising to find
>>>them work in a foreign country. Here again, Russian crime gangs play a
>>>central role. They often recruit people through seemingly innocuous “mail
>>>order bride” meetings. Even when they do not, few such organizations can
>>>operate without paying off one gang or another. Sometimes want ads are
>>>almost honest, suggesting that the women can earn up to $1,000 a month as
>>>“escorts” abroad. Often they are vague or blatantly untrue.
>>>
>>>Recruiting Methods: Ads Make Offers Too Good To Be True
>>>
>>>One typical ad used by traffickers in Kiev last year read: “Girls: Must be
>>>single and very pretty. Young and tall. We invite you for work as models,
>>>secretaries, dancers, choreographers, gymnasts. Housing is supplied. Foreign
>>>posts available. Must apply in person.”
>>>
>>>One young woman who did, and made it back alive, described a harrowing
>>>journey. “I met with these guys, and they asked if I would work at a strip
>>>bar,” she said. “Why not, I thought. They said we would have to leave at
>>>once. We went by car to the Slovak Republic where they grabbed my passport.
>>>I think they got me new papers there, but threatened me if I spoke out. We
>>>made it to Vienna, then to Turkey. I was kept in a bar and I was told I owed
>>>$5,000 for my travel. I worked for three days, and on the fourth I was
>>>arrested.”
>>>
>>>Lately, the ads have started to disappear from the main cities—where the
>>>realities of such offers are known now. These days the appeals are made in
>>>the provinces, where their success is undiminished.
>>>
>>>Most of the thousands of Ukrainian women who go abroad each year are illegal
>>>immigrants who do not work in the sex business. Often they apply for a legal
>>>visa—to dance, or work in a bar—and then stay after it expires.
>>>
>>>Many go to Turkey and Germany, where Russian crime groups are particularly
>>>powerful. Israeli leaders say that Russian women—they tend to refer to all
>>>women from the former Soviet Union as Russian—disappear off tour boats every
>>>day. Officials in Italy estimate that at least 30,000 Ukrainian women are
>>>employed illegally there now.
>>>
>>>Most are domestic workers, but a growing number are prostitutes, some of
>>>them having been promised work as domestics only to find out their jobs were
>>>a lie. Part of the problem became clear in a two-year study recently
>>>concluded by the Washington-based nonprofit group Global Survival Network:
>>>Police officials in many countries just don’t care.
>>>
>>>The network, after undercover interviews with gangsters, pimps and corrupt
>>>officials, found that local police forces—often those best able to prevent
>>>trafficking—are least interested in helping.
>>>
>>>Gillian Caldwell of Global Survival Network has been deeply involved in the
>>>study. “In Tokyo,” she said, “a sympathetic senator arranged a meeting for
>>>us with senior police officials to discuss the growing prevalence of
>>>trafficking from Russia into Japan. The police insisted it wasn’t a problem,
>>>and they didn’t even want the concrete information we could have provided.
>>>That didn’t surprise local relief agencies, who cited instances in which
>>>police had actually sold trafficked women back to the criminal networks
>>>which had enslaved them.”
>>>
>>>Official Reactions: Best-Placed To Help, but Least Inclined
>>>
>>>Complacency among police agencies is not uncommon.
>>>
>>>“Women’s groups want to blow this all out of proportion,” said Gennadi
>>>Lepenko, chief of Kiev’s branch of Interpol, the international police
>>>agency. “Perhaps this was a problem a few years ago. But it’s under control
>>>now.”
>>>
>>>That is not the view at Ukraine’s parliament—which is trying to pass new
>>>laws to protect young women—or at the Interior Ministry.
>>>“We have a very serious problem here, and we are simply not equipped to
>>>solve it by ourselves,” said Mikhail Lebed, chief of criminal investigations
>>>for the Ukrainian Interior Ministry. “It is a human tragedy, but also,
>>>frankly, a national crisis. Gangsters make more from these women in a week
>>>than we have in our law-enforcement budget for the whole year. To be honest,
>>>unless we get some help we are not going to stop it.”
>>>
>>>But solutions will not be simple. Criminal gangs risk little by ferrying
>>>women out of the country; indeed, many of the women go voluntarily. Laws are
>>>vague, cooperation between countries rare and punishment of traffickers
>>>almost nonexistent. Without work or much hope of a future at home, an eager
>>>teen-ager will find it hard to believe that the promise of a job in Italy,
>>>Turkey or Israel is almost certain to be worthless.
>>>
>>>“I answered an ad to be a waitress,” said Tamara, 19, a Ukrainian prostitute
>>>in a massage parlor near Tel Aviv’s old Central Bus Station, a Russian-
>>>language ghetto for the cheapest brothels. “I’m not sure I would go back now
>>>if I could. What would I do there, stand on a bread line or work in a
>>>factory for no wages?”
>>>
>>>Tamara, like all other such women interviewed for this article, asked that
>>>her full name not be published. She has classic Slavic features, with long
>>>blond hair and deep green eyes. She turned several potential customers away
>>>so she could speak at length with a reporter. She was willing to talk as
>>>long as her boss was out. She said she was not watched closely while she
>>>remained within the garish confines of the “health club.”
>>>
>>>“I didn’t plan to do this,” she said, looking sourly at the rich red walls
>>>and leopard prints around her. “They took my passport, so I don’t have much
>>>choice. But they do give me money. And believe me, it’s better than anything
>>>I could ever get at home.”
>>>
>>>Yitzhak Tyler, the chief of undercover activities for the Haifa police, is a
>>>big, open-faced man who doesn’t mince words.
>>>
>>>“We got a hell of a problem on our hands,” he said. The port city of 200,000
>>>has become the easiest entryway for women brought to Israel to work as
>>>prostitutes—though by no means the only one. Sometimes they walk off tour
>>>boats, but increasingly they come with forged documents that enable them to
>>>live and work in Israel. These have often been bought or stolen from elderly
>>>Jewish women in Russia or Ukraine.
>>>
>>>“This is a sophisticated, global operation,” Tyler said. “It’s evil, and it’
>>>s successful because the money is so good. These men pay $500 to $1,000 for
>>>a Ukrainian or Russian woman. Do you understand what I am telling you? They
>>>will buy these women and make a fortune out of them.”
>>>
>>>To illustrate his point, Tyler grabbed a black calculator and started
>>>calling out the sums as he punched them in.
>>>“Take a small place,” he said, “with 10 girls. Each has 15 to 20 clients a
>>>day. Multiply that by say 200 shekels. So say 30,000 shekels a day comes in
>>>to each place. Each girl works 25 days a month. Minimum.”
>>>
>>>Tyler was busy doing math as he spoke. “So we are talking about 750,000
>>>shekels a month, or about $215,000. A man often owns five of these places.
>>>That’s a million dollars. No taxes, no real overhead. It’s a factory with
>>>slave labor. And we’ve got them all over Israel.”
>>>
>>>The Tropicana, in Tel Aviv’s bustling business district, is one of the
>>>busiest bordellos. The women who work there, like nearly all prostitutes in
>>>Israel today, are Russian. Their boss, however, is not.
>>>
>>>“Israelis love Russian girls,” said Jacob Golan, who owns this and two other
>>>clubs, and spoke willingly about the business he finds so “successful.”
>>>“They are blonde and good-looking and different from us,” he said, chuckling
>>>as he drew his hand over his black hair. “And they are desperate. They are
>>>ready to do anything for money.”
>>>
>>>Always filled with half-naked Russian women, the club is open around the
>>>clock. There is a schedule on the wall next to the receptionist—with each
>>>woman’s hours listed in a different color, and the days and shifts rotating,
>>>as at a restaurant or a bar. Next to the schedule a sign reads, “We don’t
>>>accept checks.” Next to that there is a poster for a missing Israeli woman.
>>>
>>>There are 12 cubicles at the Tropicana where 20 women work in shifts, eight
>>>during the daytime, 12 at night. Business is always booming, and not just
>>>with foreign workers. Israeli soldiers, with rifles on their shoulders,
>>>frequent the place, as do business executives and tourists.
>>>Golan was asked if most women who work at the club do so voluntarily. He
>>>laughed heartily.
>>>
>>>“I don’t get into that,” he said, staring vacantly across his club at four
>>>Russian women sitting on a low couch. “They are brought here and told to
>>>work. I don’t force them. I pay them. What goes on between them and the men
>>>they are with, how could that be my problem?”
>>>
>>>Deterrent Strategies: A System that Fails Those Who Testify
>>>
>>>Every once in a while, usually with great fanfare and plenty of advance
>>>notice, Golan gets raided. He pays a fine, and the women without good false
>>>documents are taken to prison.
>>>
>>>If they are deported, the charges against them are dropped. But if a woman
>>>wants to file a complaint, then she must remain in prison until a trial is
>>>held. “In the past four years,” Betty Lahan, prison director of Neve Tirtsa
>>>here, said, “I don’t know of a single case where a woman chose to testify.”
>>>
>>>Such punitive treatment of victims is the rule rather than the exception. In
>>>Italy, where the police say killings of women forced into prostitution
>>>average one a month, parliament tried to create a sort of witness protection
>>>program. But it only allowed women to stay in the country for one year and
>>>did nothing to hide their identities.
>>>
>>>“The deck is just so completely stacked against the women in all this,” said
>>>Daniella Pompei, an immigration specialist with the community of Sant’
>>>Egidio, the Catholic relief agency in Rome. “The police is the last place
>>>these women want to go.” She said that only 20 women had ever used the
>>>protection program.
>>>
>>>It is not clear who will stop the mob. On a trip to Ukraine late last year,
>>>Hillary Rodham Clinton spoke out about the new slave trade that has
>>>developed so rapidly there. The United States and the European Union have
>>>plans to work together to educate young women about the dangers of working
>>>abroad. Other initiatives, like stays of deportation for prisoners, victims’
>>>shelters and counseling, have also been discussed.
>>>
>>>“I don’t care about any of that,” said Lena, a young Latvian, one of the
>>>inmates waiting to be deported here. “I just want to know one thing. How
>>>will I ever walk down the street like a human being again?”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
From [email protected] Fri Jan 29 23:41:38 EST 1999
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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:55:46 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:20:51 -0700, Milton Wong
>wrote:
>>Communism was invented by the Jew Karl Marx. Many other leading
>>communists were/are Jews, for example Trotsky.
>>The communists would never have succeeded in seizing power anywhere in
>>the world without help from the Jewish Bolsheviks.
>>Many if not most spies for the Soviet Union and its allies were/are
>>Jews.
>>Even those Jews who call themselves “conservative” or “democratic” are
>>eager to support communism in foreign countries, especially China. I
>>noticed during the recent visit to the United States of the leader of
>>the illegal Chinese communist regime that he was photographed with his
>>good friends Henry Kissinger (Jew) and Madeline Albright (Jew).
>>
>>It is estimated that the Chinese communists have murdered 65 million
>>innocent people. I look forward to the day when China is liberated from
>>the communists. In my opinion, the communist party should then be made
>>illegal, communist/marxist/socialist literature (such as “Das Kapital”
>>by the Jew Karl Marx) should be burned, all communists should be
>>executed, all foreign (read: Jewish) collaborators who have helped the
>>communists should be executed, all private property that was confiscated
>>by the communists should be returned to its rightful owners or their
>>heirs (if they were not all murdered by the communists; otherwise such
>>property should be given as compensation to other victims of communism),
>>and all property of communists or the communist party should be given to
>>the victims of communism.
>>
>>Notice how much attention the U.S. (Jewish-controlled) media give to the
>>Nazis’ alleged murder of 6 million Jews, and how little attention they
>>give to the victims of (Jewish-invented and Jewish-supported) communism.
>>The communists are estimated to have murdered 65 million people in
>>China, 20 million in the Soviet Union, 2 million in Cambodia, 2 million
>>in North Korea, 1.7 million in Africa, 1 million in Vietnam, 1 million
>>in Eastern Europe, and 150,000 in South America.
>>
From [email protected] Fri Jan 29 23:41:40 EST 1999
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On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:30:21 -0700, Ed Kadach
wrote:
>FOX DEFENDS AIRING OF
>WHEN JEWS ATTACK!
>LOS ANGELES–In the face of widespread public outcry, Fox TV executives
>spoke out Monday in defense of last week’s airing of When Jews Attack.
>The hour-long, Robert Urich-hosted show–which its detractors are
>decrying as “shock TV at its basest” and “a sickening appeal to
>voyeuristic, lowest-common denominator tendencies”–features explicit,
>uncensored video footage of enraged Jews violently striking out at
>others.
>”For the next hour, what you will see you may find disturbing, even
>shocking,” Urich said during the show’s introduction. “But remember: The
>footage you areabout to see is real.”
>Fox owner Rupert Murdoch defended his network’s decision to air the
>controversial show. “This disturbing imagery may be difficult for some
>to watch,” he said. “But we feel that the public has a right to see
>these attacks. They really do happen.”
>Among the show’s objectionable segments: videotaped footage of a sudden,
>brutal attack by New Rochelle, NY, dentist Richard Rosenblatt on an
>unsuspecting dry cleaner. As the tape shows, tension mounted as
>Rosenblatt, after waiting in line more than 25 minutes to pick up his
>clothes at Sunrise Cleaners, became involved in a prolonged argument
>with dry cleaner Arthur Tong over what he described as “too much starch”
>in his laundry. When Tong denied that the clothes were overstarched,
>Rosenblatt suddenly leapt over the countertop and, without warning,
>began maniacally slapping the dry cleaner
>about the face and chest.
>”It was frightening,” Tong said, recalling the attack in a taped
>interview segment on the show. “Of course, I’d seen people being slapped
>by Jews on television, but you never think it’ll happen to you.”
>Program detractors are also objecting to a segment which aired toward
>the end of the show, in which Chicago-area shopper Andrea Stein,
>complaining that “these are not the shoes I ordered,” struck Payless
>Shoes employee Lisette Nolan in the forehead with a pair of tan leather
>pumps. Stein then pulled Nolan’s hair until four other employees were
>finally able to pull her away.
>”Children should not be exposed to such violent footage,” said Sharon
>Blaine, head of the San Francisco-based What About The Children?
>organization. “In this day and age, we should be above such trash TV.”
>”I do not want my child to feel that it is acceptable to resort to
>hitting, kicking and punching her siblings, like the Jews she sees on
>television,” concerned parent Sandra Hueber said.
No doubt the JEWS just do not want people to see the real JEWS in
action.
Would the cursed Christkillers prefer to see Lili reifenstal’s DER
EWIGE JUDE instead??
>While most of the program’s critics are condemning its offensive
>content, others are objecting to the message it may send the nation’s
>Jews.
>”I fear that the televised glamorization of such attacks may wind up
>provoking America’s already-volatile Jewish population into committing
>further acts of battery,” said Anthony Rasmussen, director of the
>American Center For Media Studies.
>In reaction to the show, Jewish groups are calling for a boycott of Fox.
>”As a Jew, I am deeply offended by this program,” said B’nai B’rith
>International president Milton Feig during a press conference to
>announce the boycott. “We must send a clear message to Fox that this
>sort of garbage will not be tolerated.” He then flew into a berserk
>rage, hurling ceramic vases at reporters and swinging a folding chair
>wildly.
>Footage of Feig’s attack is scheduled to air April 8, in a second
>installment of the show.
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On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:07:33 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On 21 Dec 1997 22:03:53 GMT, George A. Miziuk
>>>[email protected] (GMC0633) writes: > The mantra of the Jews is to wail and moan about “antisemitism”. (And their
>>>> moaning does indeed have the insensity of religious fervour). According to the
>>>> Jews, generations of demonic Christians practiced racial/religious
>>>> discrimination against the Jews. The Jews claim that Christian mothers for
>>>> generations have nurtured their young with antisemitism as naturally as they
>>>> nurture them with milk.
>>>>
>>>> The phenomenon of “antisemitism” deserves critical study. Of course, the very
>>>> word antisemitism is itself a misnomer, a characteristic Jewish attempt to
>>>> obfuscate the issues at hand (we are not concerned here with Semites, but with
>>>> the racial/ethnic/cultural group of Jews; Jews imply here, incorrectly, that
>>>> criticism of them is criticism of all Semitic peoples). To listen to the Jews,
>>>> “antisemitism” goes back to Jesus Christ himself and to the Christian
>>>> scriptures.
>>>>
>>>> Having observed the Jews from childhood and sharing close contacts with them in
>>>> academia and in business, I have had considerable opportunity to speculate on
>>>> their “antisemitism.” I myself was raised to regard all humans as equals,
>>>> regardless of race/ethnicity/religion. Growing up, I felt, if anything, a
>>>> sympathy for the Jews (just because there was so much discussion, so much
>>>> literature published on the topic, I assumed that there must be something
>>>> legitimate to “antisemitism”). In vain, however, I sought within myself the
>>>> roots of some prejudice against the Jews. I came to the conclusion that all of
>>>> this moaning and groaning and shedding of crocodile tears is a lie. Moreover,
>>>> it is essentially racist and ethnocentric. It is shamelss deception used to
>>>> advance the interests of one group.
>>>>
>>>> Jews are uncanny in their ability at recognizing an opportunity to advance
>>>> their own economic/social/political/moral position by crying “antisemitism.”
>>>> They are strategists par excellance. How do they sniff out this “antisemitism”?
>>>> How do they learn to recognize an “antisemite”?
>>>
>>>This is a great parallel to the Fable of the “Boy who cried Wolf.”
>>>You should read the curriculum material that was imposed as a mandatory
>>>subject in New Jersey public schools for “Holocaust education.” The
>>>material is nothing but pure Jewish hatred against all Europeans.
>>>THIS is what they want to feed to all children?!
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On Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:04:28 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On 14 Dec 1998 05:44:48, [email protected] wrote:
>>>Subject: THE TORONTO SUN: Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>>>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:47:59 +0300
>>>THE TORONTO SUN, Sunday, December 13, 1998
>>>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>>>By ERIC MARGOLIS
>>>Contributing Foreign Editor
>
>>>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show
>>>trial of that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet,
>>>the 65th anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly
>>>ignored. Leftists now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be
>>>reminded of the Unknown Holocaust.
>>>
>>>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in
>>>Ukraine. Stalin determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent
>>>farmers – called kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to
>>>crush Ukraine’s growing spirit of nationalism.
>>>
>>> Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed
>>>terror and dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from
>>>Moscow
>>>- earlier versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian
>>>peasants into collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began
>>>selective executions of recalcitrant farmers.
>>>
>>>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number,
>>>OGPU was ordered to begin mass executions. But there were simply not
>>>enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many people, so Stalin
>>>decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of death – mass
>>>starvation.
>>>
>>>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were
>>>confiscated from Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator
>>>Mengistu Haile Mariam used the same method in the 1970s to force
>>>collectivization: the resulting famine cased one million deaths.)
>>>
>>>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail
>>>lines. Nothing came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and
>>>looted of food and fuel. Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger,
>>>cold and sickness.
>>>
>>>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent
>>>henchman Lazar Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance.
>>>Kaganovitch, the Soviet Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000
>>>Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of all Ukrainian intellectuals were
>>>executed. A Ukrainian party member named Nikita Khruschchev helped
>>>supervise the slaughter.
>>>
>>>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created
>>>by Kaganovitch and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets,
>>>boots and belts, plus bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant
>>>children.
>>>
>>>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s
>>>custom-made famine and Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day.
>>>The KGB’s archives, and recent work by Russian historians, show at
>>>least seven million died. Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine
>>>million, or higher. Twenty-five percent of Ukraine’s population was
>>>exterminated.
>>>
>>>Millions of victims
>>>
>>>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot
>>>during collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10
>>>million peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in
>>>Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in
>>>the USSR; massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial
>>>genocide accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20
>>>million war dead.
>>>
>>>Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were
>>>Jewish. The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the
>>>frightful crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine,
>>>the Baltic states and Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame
>>>the Jewish people for both communism and their suffering.
>>
>>When even a Jew writer admits the truth, perhaps Christmas is near??
>>
>>
>>As a direct
>>>result, during the subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the
>>>region’s innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by
>>>Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>>>
>>>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of
>>>Europe’s Jews by the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger
>>>holocaust in Ukraine has been suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s
>>>genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler began the Jewish Holocaust,
>>>and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before the world’s gaze. But
>>>Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or concealed by a
>>>left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day. In the
>>>strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>>>
>>>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney
>>>Webb and PM Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33
>>>and proclaimed reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not
>>>see one under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent
>>>Walter Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting,
>>>wrote claims of famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million
>>>people were dying around them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New
>>>York Times has never repudiated Duranty’s lies.
>>>
>>>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological
>>>and historical roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime –
>>>the inevitable result of enforced social engineering and Marxist
>>>theology.
>>>
>>>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the
>>>governments of Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the
>>>Ukrainian genocide and Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they
>>>eagerly welcomed him as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who
>>>Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,” murdered four times more people
>>>than Adolf Hitler.
>>>
>>>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were
>>>ever brought to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a
>>>few years ago, still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and
>>>enjoying a generous state pension.
>>>
>>>Eric can be reached by e-mail at: [email protected].
>>>
>>>Letters to the editor should be sent to: [email protected].
>>
>>
>>It seems that even a respected jewish author/writer is admitting that
>>it was the JEWS with the CHEKA/forerunners of the KGB who murdered
>>more than 25 million Ukrainians!!!
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>On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism [email protected]
>(Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>Check this out!
>>Nizkor Funding
>>URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>of B’nai Brith Canada …with the cheque’s memo including “Nizkor
>>Project”. ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation – Nizkor Fund
>>and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>Excite Search—Search: “nizkor”
>>”From B’nai Brith’s 1996 ‘Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents’:
>>The League continues to monitor hate on the Internet and to propose
>>educational curricula and policy development to regulate, in some way,
>>the transmission of hateful messages. The League is working closely
>>with Ken McVay’s Nizkor Project (https://nizkor.org) through the
>>”Holocaust and Hope” program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic. The creation of a
>>B’nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>incidents directly to the National Office.”
>>
>>There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>promote Jewish interests. If any of them are White Americans then they
>>are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>>
>>The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with ‘loan’ grants or
>>even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>dramatizations.
>>
>>Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>their way into White America’s good nature and generousity.
>>NO MORE! The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>interest immediately, and the Nizkor abonimation should be shut down
>>and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
>>You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
>>www.natvan.com
>>www.natall.com
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On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:09:28 -0800, “WaRR”
wrote:
>nancy zeleznik wrote in message <[email protected]>…
>>The Jews will never be grateful to our ancestors for giving them a land to
>>prosper. They made hoards of money from our land. They attack and attack
>>the hand that fed them. They hate our Christianity, they hate our cross. The
>>cross will forever remain on Polish soil. Never compromise. Never. If you
>>love your Polish Culture, Do not give an inch. No dictation from Jews on the
>>soil of my ancestors, how in the name of Bog can they dictate to the people
>>of Poland????? They are an unbelievable creation.Believe it or not, many of
>>us in America Love Poland as our own country.
>Jews are untouchable. Look at Sharon, Ru8xx, us_enterprise and other jews.
>The more hate they spread, the more respect they get from their fellow jews.
>If someone happens to disagree with them, jews immidiately call them
>antysemites.
>And justice for all……except for the jews.
>WaRR
On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:41:02 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2
>
>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>By Sean Maguire
>>Sept. 14, 1998
>
>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.
>
>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>sensitive site.
>
>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>groups.
>
>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests and must be resolved as
>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are beginning to be perceived
>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,” she added.
>
>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>site inevitable.
>
>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>
>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site.
>
>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex.
>
>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>
>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar.
>
>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>and nationalists.
>
>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>forgotten.
>
>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>be removed.
>>
>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated.
>>
>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the answer but the cross, all
>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>the-scene discussion.”
>>
>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, “But I don’t see any
>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>the moment.”
>
>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>
>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>
>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>international funding, are on hold.
>
>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently.
>
>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the “Judenrampe,” the
>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign.
>
>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>concrete, the crematories.”
>
>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda.
>
>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,” wiping out most of
>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>
>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>
>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland’s tiny
>>Jewish community.
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On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:09:27 +0100, mike muth
>Ed Kadach wrote:
>> Indeed, why would it not be relevant?
>
>This is soc.culture.GERMAN. The original post has nothing to do with
>Germany or German culture. (Or Russian, Polish, Ukrainian culture,
>either).
>Mike
Are there not despised Christkillers in every land, and the problems
they create?
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:13:45 +0100, mike muth
>> >>And what is the relevance of this to this NG?
>
>> >Why shouldn’t an article about a JEW rabbi murderer NOT be relevant??
>Mike
>On 14 Jan 1999 01:08:16 GMT, [email protected] (PHILNANCY) wrote:
>>> Ed Kadach
>>>RABBI CHARGED IN WIFE’S DEATH
>>>Allegedly Hired Hit Man to Perform 1994 Killing
>>>Jan. 11, 1999
>>>By Michelle Gotthelf
>>>CAMDEN, N.J. (APB) — A once-prominent rabbi was indicted today on
>>>murder charges for allegedly hiring a hit man to bludgeon his wife to
>>>death in a robbery staged at their home, authorities said.
>>>AP
>>>Rabbi Fred J. Neulander
>>>Rabbi Fred J. Neulander, 57, of Cherry Hill, conspired to commit murder
>>>in the 1994 slaying of his 52-year-old wife, Carol, a Camden County
>>>grand jury concluded. She was found beaten to death on the couple’s
>>>living room floor, Camden County spokesman Greg Reinert told APB News.
>>>Prosecutors said Neulander became a suspect in his wife’s murder after
>>>rumors surfaced that he had been involved in numerous love affairs —
>>>one with a Philadelphia radio show host, who demanded he leave his wife
>>>and end his marriage. He was charged last September with arranging the
>>>killing.
>>>Prosecutors said it took awhile to compile enough evidence to charge and
>>>indict the former rabbi.
>>>Phony deliveryman
>>>Neulander said he found his wife’s body on Nov. 1, 1994, when he
>>>returned from the synagogue after an evening event. Her purse was
>>>missing, but no other valuables had been touched.
>>>Carol Neulander was killed by a hit man posing as a deliveryman,
>>>authorities said. They believe the same man came to the house two weeks
>>>earlier and handed her an envelope and asked to use the bathroom.
>>>According to the grand jury indictment, Neulander conspired with and
>>>acted as an accomplice of “a person or persons unknown” to carry out the
>>>slaying.
>>>He is free on $400,000 bail.
>>>Faces life imprisonment
>>>Investigators said Neulander told one of his lovers that he intended to
>>>marry her, but was concerned that a divorce would cost him his position
>>>at the reform synagogue he founded, Congregation M’Kor Shalom in Cherry
>>>Hill.
>>>Three months after his wife’s killing, Neulander resigned his position
>>>at the temple. He was then suspended from the Central Conference of
>>>American Rabbis, the nation’s Reform rabbinical organization, after
>>>admitting he became romantically involved with two congregants who went
>>>to him for counseling.
>>>Neulander is not charged with personally committing the homicidal acts
>>>and does not face the death penalty if convicted. He does, however, face
>>>life imprisonment with the possibility of parole after 30 years.
>>And what is the relevance of this to this NG?
>Why shouldn’t an article about a JEW rabbi murderer NOT be relevant??
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On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:45:16 +0000, The Dommestic Goddess
>Fellow Netizens,
>The western world has been programmed by the jews for the last two or three
>generations..via their control of our culture by movies and television…..and there
>is now no way to stop this psychological impregnation that they are the only
>”Victims” of WWII.
>Question: Count out how many TV programs you watch during a one week period that are
>either produced by Hollywood Jews….have Jewish lead actors or are Semetic
>Progaganda……
>Our minds and thoughts are being manipulated during this end time…be very careful
>of what you say on the net….Mossad are watching all of us!!*flicking them the bird*
>The Domestic Goddess
>On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:33:05 GMT, [email protected] the maggot
>apologist for the Jew Christkillers wrote:
>From deja News some interesting comments worthy of more discussion.
>On 29 Sep 1997 09:42:03 GMT, [email protected](NSWPP) wrote:
>> 1. WHAT PROOF EXISTS THAT THE NAZIS PRACTICED GENOCIDE OR
>>DELIBERATELY KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS?
>> None. The only evidence is the contradictory testimony of
>>individual “survivors”, and no “survivor” claims actually to have
>>witnessed any gassing. There is no hard evidence whatsoever. No mounds
>>of ashes, no piles of clothes, no crematoria capable of doing the job,
>>no human soap, no lampshades made out of human skin, no records, no
>>demographic statistics.
>
>> On the other hand there exists extensive evidence of a
>>forensic, demographic, analytical, documentary, anecdotal, and
>>comparative nature which clearly proves the impossibility of such a
>>figure as six million Jewish dead, an exaggeration of possibly 1000%.
>
>
>> 2. HOW DID GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS DIFFER FROM AMERICAN
>>RELOCATION CAMPS WHICH INTERNED JAPANESE AND GERMAN-AMERICANS DURING
>>WORLD WAR TWO?
>
>> Except for the name, the only difference was that the Germans
>>interned persons who were a real or suspected threat to the German war
>>effort, whereas the Americans interned persons on the basis of their
>>race or national origin alone.
>
>
>> 3. WHY DID THE GERMAN AUTHORITIES INTERN JEWS IN THE
>>CONCENTRATION CAMPS?
>
>> Because the Germans considered the Jews a direct threat to
>>their national sovereignty and survival, correctly as it turned out.
>>Jews were overwhelmingly represented in Germany in Communist subversion
>>during the Weimar period. On a per capita basis, Jews were highly
>>overrepresented in government, commercial, and media positions.
>>However, ALL suspected security risks, not just Jews, were in danger of
>>internment once the war broke out.
>
>> On March 24th, 1933, international Jewry declared war on
>>Germany and ordered a world-wide boycott of German goods simply because
>>the German government had removed Jews from influential positions and
>>transferred power back to the German people. The boycott order and the
>>Jewish war against Germany were reported in the world print and
>>broadcast media of the time. False stories of German “death camps” were
>>in fact circulated even before the outbreak of World War Two. Therefore
>>the German view of the Jewish people as enemy aliens would seem to have
>>been fully justified.
>
>
>> 4. DID SIMON WIESENTHAL ONCE ADMIT THAT THERE WERE NEVER ANY
>>DEATH CAMPS ON GERMAN SOIL?
>
>> Yes. In *Books and Bookmen*, April 1975 issue. He claims the
>>gassing of all the Jews took place in Poland.
>
>
>> 5. DACHAU IS IN GERMANY. IF EVEN SIMON WIESENTHAL NOW ADMITS IT
>>WAS NOT A DEATH CAMP, WHY DO THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN VETERANS SAY IT WAS?
>>
>> Because after the Allies captured Dachau (and incidentally
>>murdered dozens of the former staff without trial), thousands of GIs
>>were led through the camp and shown buildings alleged to be gas
>>chambers. This story was later quietly expunged from official Holocaust
>>lore because it became too difficult to maintain in the face of known
>>fact and because Dachau was in the Allied occupation zone where access
>>to the camp was too easy and unrestricted.
>
>> En passant, the brief lifespan of the “Dachau death camp”
>>version gave rise to the first critical examination and questioning of
>>the Holocaust myth by historians and by some Allied veterans who
>>noticed discrepancies in what they had seen and what they read in
>>official accounts. It would be many years, though, before this early
>>Holocaust Revisionism gained momentum.
>
>
>> 6. AUSCHWITZ IS IN POLAND, NOT GERMANY. IS THERE ANY PROOF THAT
>>GAS CHAMBERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF KILLING PEOPLE EXISTED AT AUSCHWITZ?
>
>> No. The “gas chamber” exhibited to tourists at Auschwitz could
>>not possibly have been used to carry out executions; it is far too
>>small and it is not even airtight. In the 1980s, American expert Fred
>>Leuchter, who builds gas chambers for American penal systems, took
>>scrapings from the walls of the Auschwitz “gas chamber” for chemical
>>analysis. He found no cyanide residue at all. The Auschwitz exhibit is
>>a fake, pure and simple, a flimsy tourist trap.
>
>
>> 7. IS AUSCHWITZ WASN’T A DEATH CAMP, WHAT WAS ITS TRUE PURPOSE?
>
>> It was a large-scale manufacturing complex. Synthetic rubber
>>(Buna) was made there, and its inmates were used as a workforce, in the
>>same way in which inmate labor is increasingly being used in
>>correctional systems throughout the United States today.
>
>
>> 8. WHAT ABOUT THE INFAMOUS ZYKLON-B GAS?
>
>> Zyklon-B is a commercially manufactured compound of hydrocyanic
>>gas. It has a number of widespread industrial uses, including the
>>fumigation of lice-infested clothing, the purpose for which it was
>>applied at Auschwitz. Zyklon-B is still manufactured worldwide and is
>>commonly used and available today.
>
>
>> 9. IF AUSCHWITZ WAS NOT AN EXTERMINATION CAMP, WHY DID FORMER
>>COMMANDANT RUDOLF HOESS CONFESS THAT IT WAS?
>
>> Hoess was captured by the Russians and Polish Communists and
>>brutally tortured. He signed his confession, the SOLE SOURCE for the
>>figure of six million dead Jews, in English, a language he could not
>>read. Some pages of the original document are literally stained with
>>Hoess’ blood. Hoess was then conveniently executed so he could not be
>>cross examined.
>
>
>> 10. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FULLY TO VENTILATE AN AREA FUMIGATED
>>WITH ZYKLON-B?
>
>> About twenty hours. The whole procedure is extremely involved
>>and technical. Gas masks have to be used and well trained technicians
>>only are employed.
>
>
>> 11. RUDOLF HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD
>>ENTER THE GAS CHAMBER TEN MINUTES AFTER THE JEWS HAD DIED AND REMOVE
>>THE BODIES. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS?
>
>> It can’t be explained, because it could not have happened like
>>that. Had the Germans done this they would have suffered the same fate
>>as the allegedly exterminated Jews.
>
>
>> 12. HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD SMOKE
>>CIGARETTES AS THEY PULLED DEAD JEWS OUT OF CHAMBERS WHICH TEN MINUTES
>>BEFORE HAD BEEN FILLED WITH GAS. ISN’T ZYKLON-B EXPLOSIVE?
>
>> Highly so. The Hoess confession is obviously false and the six
>>million figure as well.
>
>
>> 13. HOW COULD SUCH A MASS MURDER PROGRAM HAVE BEEN KEPT SECRET
>>FROM JEWS WHO WERE SCHEDULED FOR EXECUTION? HOW COULD THE POPE, THE
>>VATICAN, THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS, AND ALLIED MILITARY INTELLIGENCE
>>NOT KNOW?
>
>> Given the acknowledged efficiency and penetration of the OSS,
>>British MI5, and Soviet NKVD into the Third Reich, it could not have
>>been kept secret. Nor can one imagine any reason for the Allies, who
>>were fighting to destroy Germany, not to make use of such a potentially
>>powerful propaganda weapon, had there been any contemporary evidence at
>>all during the war that such an event was occurring.
>
>
>> 14. HOW MANY JEWS ACTUALLY DIED IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS
>>DURING THE WAR?
>
>> About 300,000.
>
>
>> 15. HOW DID THEY DIE?
>
>> Mainly from recurring typhus epidemics that ravaged war-torn
>>Europe during the period. Typhus is a disease which invariably appears
>>whenever people are jammed together for long periods without bathing.
>>It is carried by lice which infects hair and clothes. Ironically, if
>>the Germans had used more Zyklon-B for disinfectant purposes, more Jews
>>might have survived the concentration camps. Jewish prisoners (as well
>>as many others) also died from starvation and lack of medical attention
>>towards the end of the war when virtually all rail and road transport
>>had come to a standstill due to the intense Allied bombing campaign.
>
>
>> 16. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WHETHER SIX MILLION JEWS OR 300,000
>>DIED?
>
>> 5,700,00. The key question is whether or not there was a
>>deliberate, systematic attempt on the part of the Third Reich to
>>exterminate the Jews of Europe. The evidence clearly shows that there
>>was not, and the focus of world attention now needs to shift to the
>>identity, the activities, and the financial and political motivations
>>of those who have inflicted on all humanity for the past fifty years
>>the grotesque, slanderous, and evil lie that there was a “Holocaust”.
>
>
>> 17. MANY JEWISH SURVIVORS OF THE “DEATH CAMPS” SAY THEY SAW
>>BODIES BEING PILED UP IN PITS AND BURNED. HOW MUCH GASOLINE WOULD HAVE
>>BEEN USED TO PERFORM THIS ACT?
>
>> A lot more than the Germans had access to or could have
>>afforded to waste during the Second World War, that’s for sure.
>
>
>> 18. CAN BODIES BE BURNED IN PITS?
>
>> No. It is impossible for human bodies to be totally consumed by
>>flames in this manner as not enough heat can be generated in open pits.
>>[Note From Winston Smith: I can personally confirm from my own
>>observations of both Communist and American atrocities in both the
>>American and Rhodesian armed forces that it is impossible completely to
>>destroy human bodies en masse with either gasoline, napalm, or in any
>>other way in open pits. The Holocaust “experts” who claim otherwise are
>>either parroting what they have been told without bothering to check
>>their facts, or else they are lying.]
>
>
>> 19. HOLOCAUST AUTHORS CLAIM THE NAZIS WERE ABLE TO CREMATE
>>BODIES IN ABOUT TEN MINUTES. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO INCINERATE A BODY
>>ACCORDING TO PROFESSIONAL FUNERAL OPERATORS?
>
>> About two hours.
>
>
>> 20. WHY DID CONCENTRATION CAMPS HAVE CREMATORY OVENS?
>
>> To dispose efficiently and sanitarily of the corpses dead from
>>typhus and other diseases.
>>
>
>> 21. GIVEN A 100% DUTY CYCLE OF ALL THE KNOWN CREMATORIA IN ALL
>>THE CAMPS IN GERMAN-CONTROLLED TERRITORY, WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF
>>CORPSES WHICH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE TO INCINERATE DURING THE
>>ENTIRE TIME THE CAMPS WERE IN EXISTENCE?
>
>> About 430,600.
>
>
>> 22. CAN A CREMATORY OVEN BE OPERATED 100% OF THE TIME?
>
>> No. 50% of the time is a very generous estimate, or 12 hours
>>per day. Crematory ovens have to be cleaned thoroughly and regularly
>>when in heavy operation.
>
>
>> 23. ON THE AVERAGE, HOW MUCH ASH IS LEFT FROM A CREMATED
>>CORPSE?
>
>> After the bone is ground down into powder, a separate
>>time-consuming process in itself, about a shoe box full.
>
>
>> 24. IF SIX MILLION PEOPLE WERE INCINERATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>>HAPPENED TO THE ASHES?
>
>> That remains to be “explained”. Six million bodies would
>>produce literally mountains of ash, tons upon tons. Yet there have been
>>no discoveries of any huge deposits of ash in the Auschwitz are or
>>anywhere else in Europe.
>
>
>> 25. DO ALLIED WARTIME PHOTOS OF AUSCHWITZ, TAKEN FROM THE AIR,
>>SHOW ANY SIGNS OF CREMATORIA IN FULL BLAST OPERATION?
>
>> No. These photographs do not reveal even a trace of the immense
>>amount of smoke which must have hung constantly over the camp, nor do
>>they show any evidence of the alleged open pits where the bodies were
>>burned.
>
>
>> 26. WHAT DID THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE
>>WHOLE “HOLOCAUST” ISSUE?
>
>> A report of the visit of an IRC delegation to Auschwitz in
>>September of 1944 pointed out that internees were allowed to receive
>>packages and that rumors of gas chambers could not be verified. The
>>full official report of the International Red Cross on the Second World
>>War makes no mention at all of the so-called Holocaust or any of the
>>wilder allegations connected with the so-called Holocaust.
>
>> Interestingly, in 1996, fifty years after the war’s end, the
>>liberal media in America and Europe began running a series of articles
>>claiming that the Red Cross was “full of Nazi sympathizers”. This
>>charge is entirely bogus and may be chalked up to belated Jewish
>>attempts at damage control as the Holocaust myth crumbles steadily in
>>the light of factual examination and critical analysis.
>
>
>> 27. IS THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK GENUINE?
>
>> Not as published, no. The evidence compiled by Dietlieb
>>Felderer of Sweden and Dr. Robert Faurisson of France proves
>>conclusively that the published version of the famous diary is a
>>literary hoax. There was a girl named Anne Frank, and sections of the
>>diary appear to be genuine, including several wherein she describes
>>adolescent lesbian sexual experiences which were later excised from the
>>published text.
>
>> In 1950 Anne Frank’s father sued author Meyer Levin, the actual
>>writer of the diary, over royalties from the book. A Jewish judge in
>>New York ordered the records of the court case sealed for 100 years.
>>When the original diary was put on display a few years later, it was
>>noticed that the most poignant sections of the book were interpolations
>>written in a forged handwriting in BALL POINT PEN, a writing instrument
>>which was not invented until 1950. The original diary was swiftly
>>removed from exhibit and whisked away into a safety deposit box in
>>Israel. It has never been produced for examination since then despite
>>repeated attempts by scholars to view it.
>
>> 28. WHAT ABOUT ALL THE NUMEROUS PHOTOGRAPHS AND FILM FOOTAGE
>>ALLEGEDLY TAKEN IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS SHOWING EMACIATED CORPSES
>>AND PEOPLE? ARE THESE FAKED?
>
>> Some are, but most of the fakery lies in the captioning.
>>Corpses of German air raid victims, for example, are labeled as dead
>>Jews. One famous and oft-reprinted photo purports to show a “Nazi SS
>>man” about to shoot a mother holding her child; on closer examination
>>of the blurry print with a magnifying glass, it is clear to military
>>historians familiar with the uniforms and weapons of the period that
>>the killer is a Red Army soldier wielding a Russian-made carbine.
>
>> (The Exterminationist habit of blaming the Germans for
>>atrocities actually carried out by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin
>>remains common, even though some of the more notorious examples like
>>the Katyn Forest massacre of Polish prisoners have now been properly
>>laid at the door of the Kremlin. That this kind of fraud continues to
>>be perpetrated by Holocaust “experts” is not surprising in view of the
>>fact that almost all of them espouse Marxist or extreme left-wing views
>>and are as quick to apologize for and explain away Stalin’s butcheries
>>as they are to invent fraudulent crimes attributed to Adolf Hitler. The
>>almost universally leftist political and social orientation of
>>Holocaust defenders is important and should always be born in mind when
>>examining their claims; letting Stalin off the hook is almost as
>>important to them as blackening and defaming the memory of Hitler and
>>the German people. A good example of this is Nizkor leader Ken McVay’s
>>refusal to accept any more NSWPP e-mail after General Secretary Smith
>>asked him why he did not condemn the mass murders of Stalin.)
>
>
>> 29. WHAT WAS THE ROLE OF THE VATICAN DURING THE TIME IN WHICH
>>SIX MILLION JEWS WERE ALLEGEDLY EXTERMINATED?
>>
>> Had there been an extermination plan being carried out in a
>>predominantly Catholic country like Poland, the Vatican would certainly
>>have been in a position to learn about it. Since no such plan existed,
>>the Vatican had no need to speak out about it.
>>
>
>> 30. WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT ADOLF HITLER ORDERED THE
>>EXTERMINATION OF THE JEWS?
>
>> None. No documentary evidence of any kind indicating a
>>deliberate extermination plan on the part of the Nazis has ever come to
>>light. No signed order from Hitler, from Reichsfuhrer-SS Heinrich
>>Himmler, or from any other functionary of the Third Reich ordering the
>>extermination of the Jews has ever been discovered. The Nazis were
>>meticulous records-keepers and literally tons of documents were seized
>>by the Allies at the end of the war, so many it took Allied archivists
>>and scholars years to organize, file, and catalog them all. Nothing.
>>Zip. Nada.
>
>
>> 31. DID THE GERMANS AND THE ZIONISTS COLLABORATE BEFORE AND
>>DURING THE WAR?
>
>> Absolutely. Both groups were interested in removing the Jews
>>from Europe (the Zionists wanted the Jews shipped to Palestine) and
>>they maintained friendly relations throughout the war. The German
>>official in charge of shipping thousands of Jews to then
>>British-occupied Palestine (including future Israeli prime minister
>>Menachem Begin) was Adolf Eichmann; after the war the Holocaust
>>industry considered this secret so volatile and dangerous that Eichmann
>>was abducted by the Israeli Mossad and subsequently murdered in order
>>to silence him.
>
>
>> 32. HOW MANY JEWS WERE IN AREAS WHICH CAME TO BE CONTROLLED BY
>>THE GERMANS DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR?
>
>> Slightly less than four million.
>
>
>> 33. HOW MANY JEWS FLED DEEP INTO THE SOVIET UNION TO ESCAPE THE
>>NAZIS?
>
>> Over two million. The Germans did not have access to them to
>>kill them.
>
>
>> 34. IF EUROPEAN JEWS WEREN’T EXTERMINATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>>HAPPENED TO THEM?
>
>> After the war most Jews emigrated to Palestine, the United
>>States, Argentina, Canada, and Great Britain. Except for about 300,000,
>>they are all accounted for.
>
>> 35. HOW DOES THE HOLOCAUST STORY BENEFIT THE JEWISH PEOPLE
>>TODAY?
>
>> It shields them from any criticism over their political,
>>economic, and social behavior. It is instrumental in raising immense
>>sums of “guilt money”, especially from the German government. It
>>justifies aid to the state of Israel totaling almost $10 billion
>>dollars per year from various sources. Israel has received almost $70
>>billion dollars in assorted “Holocaust reparations” and the ante is
>>growing every year. It is clearly in the interest of Israel and the
>>Jewish people to keep the scam going.
>
>
>> 36. ARE FILMS LIKE “HOLOCAUST”, “SCHINDLER’S LIST”, AND “THE
>>WINDS OF WAR” DOCUMENTARIES?
>
>> Hollywood movies are not history and are not intended to be.
>>They are fictionalized dramas. The characters in movies are actors, not
>>real people, who are being very highly paid for their portrayals of
>>events that did not in fact occur. They read their lines from a
>>screenplay written by Hollywood scriptwriters, a profession where Jews
>>are very highly overrepresented, as they are in the studios and the
>>creative and financial sectors of film making.
>
>> Hollywood is such an extremely unreliable source of history
>>that in recent years even mainstream reviewers and commentators have
>>begun to express doubt and suspicion over some films. For example, the
>>character of Oscar Schindler as portrayed by Liam Neeson in Spielberg’s
>>production of “Schindler’s List” was sanitized to the point of being
>>unrecognizable. Schindler was portrayed as almost saintly, and yet none
>>of those still living who remember the man have a single good word to
>>say about him. The real Schindler was a confidence artist, a thief, a
>>libertine and degenerate gambler who indulged freely in forced sexual
>>relations with young female camp inmates, who later abandoned his wife
>>and fled with his mistress to Brazil after embezzling a large sum of
>>money. Other major directors like Oliver Stone have come under fire
>>because their portrayals of historical characters like Nixon and events
>>like the JFK assassination reflect a paranoid obsession with the most
>>bizarre of left-wing conspiracy theories.
>
>
>> 37. ABOUT HOW MANY BOOKS HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED WHICH REFUTE SOME
>>ASPECT OF THE STANDARDS JEWISH CLAIMS ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST?
>
>> Over 100, with more in the works.
>
>
>> 38. BUT AREN’T ALL THOSE WHO QUESTION THE HOLOCAUST
>>ANTI-SEMITIC OR NEO-NAZIS?
>
>> Some are, although why such people should be denied the same
>>right to advance their viewpoint which liberal democracy grants so
>>freely to Jews and liberals in this purportedly free society is never
>>explained. The NSWPP is a National Socialist organization, although
>>unlike the Jews we acknowledge our identity and our ideological
>>position in the open. Most Revisionists, however, are academics,
>>genuine scholars who seek only the truth. Many hold liberal or
>>libertarian views, although these views often change as they are
>>subjected to the intense persecution which accompanies any deviation
>>from the official orthodoxy on the Holocaust.
>
>
>> 39. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HISTORIANS WHO DISPUTE THE OFFICIAL
>>VERSION OF THE HOLOCAUST?
>
>> A variety of unpleasant things. Significantly, the Jews have
>>always refused to debate the facts of the Holocaust openly with
>>Revisionists. An Internet group allegedly set up for this purpose
>>called Nizkor does not in fact debate Revisionists, but engages in
>>hysterical campaigns of ad hominem abuse against anyone who dares to
>>express any dissent or doubt in re Holocaust orthodoxy. It is clear
>>from many of the postings to Nizkor’s Internet playgroups that they
>>have attracted a number of people, mostly Jews but some left-liberal
>>Gentiles as well, who are motivated by intense racial bigotry and
>>ideological hatred of anyone who disagrees with them, and who in some
>>cases appear to be severely mentally and emotionally disturbed.
>
>> The Jews respond to any questioning of the Holocaust with
>>hatred, violence, and persecution, which in itself is the surest
>>giveaway that they have something to hide. In many countries those who
>>ask politically incorrect or searching questions about the Holocaust
>>are arrested, tortured, and imprisoned.
>
>> Dr. Robert Faurisson was assaulted by a Jewish gang who beat
>>him so badly that he was almost crippled. In California, a major
>>Revisionist bookseller’s offices were burned, and in Toronto
>>Revisionist author Ernst Zundel’s home was almost destroyed in an arson
>>attack. Zundel was subjected to a bizarre series of show trials lasting
>>over ten years, and after being finally acquitted he has been denied
>>Canadian citizenship and is still battling attempts to deport him to
>>prison and torture in Germany.
>
>> An American citizen, Gerhard Lauck of Lincoln, Nebraska, was
>>kidnapped by the German government and at this writing is serving a
>>lengthy prison sentence in Germany for the “crime” of writing
>>pro-National Socialist commentary IN THE UNITED STATES where it is
>>legal. Another American citizen, Hans Schmidt of Florida, was also
>>abducted, held in prison in Germany for almost a year, and released
>>only after an international outcry. Schmidt’s “crime” was writing a
>>pro-Revisionist article, in English, in a newsletter published and
>>distributed in the United States. German nationalist Manfred Roeder has
>>been imprisoned so many times he’s lost count. Revisionists have been
>>stripped of jobs and academic posts, denied tenure in universities,
>>victimized by harassing lawsuits, received bombs in the mail, and
>>subjected to constant death threats from Jews and Marxists.
>
>> THESE ARE NOT THE REACTIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. Innocent people
>>who are accused of a crime or a fraud do not respond by trying to kill,
>>imprison, or forcibly silence their accusers. More than anything else,
>>the behavior of the Jews and the governments they influence so strongly
>>proves that the Holocaust is a fraud. If the Holocaust was true,
>>neither the Jews nor any state authority would need to use force to
>>silence criticism, any more than force need be used against people who
>>believe the earth is flat. The arrests, imprisonment, assaults and
>>torchings are the moral equivalent of a full confession on the part of
>>the Jewish people that they are contemptible liars who have imposed the
>>most massive and vicious hoax in history on all of humanity, and have
>>used that hoax as an excuse to rob us blind, steal another people’s
>>country, and then to slaughter that country’s original inhabitants at
>>will, as according to National Public Radio they are doing even now as
>>I type this, in the town of Ramallah.
>
>> 40. HAVE THESE THUGGISH TACTICS SUCCEEDED IN SILENCING
>>REVISIONISTS?
>
>> No. They have only made Revisionists more determined than ever
>>to ensure that the truth comes out and that the nations of the earth
>>understand how the Jewish people have lied to them, defrauded them, and
>>robbed them for over half a century now with the Holocaust lie. There
>>can be little doubt that in succeeding generations the Holocaust will
>>be accepted by mainstream historians and the public at large for what
>>it is: a politically inspired hoax.
>
>
>>NOTE: This article was partially re-worked by me from material in a
>>pamphlet provided by the Institute for Historical Review. For further
>>information on Revisionism, the IHR may be contacted at
>>[email protected] – W.S.
>sven88
>”E. Barry Bruyea” wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:55:34 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 15:45:41 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 14:13:29 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >>>The truth about the Holocaust: It happened
>> >
>> >>>Must be the weather or something but the loonies are out again. Among other
>> >>>things I notice a new flurry of postings denying the Holocaust.
>> >
>> >>To which Holocaust or Holohoax do YOU refer?
>> >
>> >>To the murder of 25 million Ukrainians by the JEW-led Soviet
>> >>CHEKA/NKVD in 1932-3?
>> >
>> >>Or, perhaps to the Turk slaughter of the Armenians prior to WWI?
>> >
>> >>
>> >>I normally try
>> >>>to avoid seriously raving loonies, not that they’re dangerous or anything,
>> >>>it’s just that you get sprayed with all those little bits of spit.
>> >>>
>> >>>Nevertheless, sometimes you have to gird you’re loins, or rather put a hanky
>> >>>over your face, and correct their rubbish just so young people are not misled.
>> >>>Social duty and all that.
>> >>>
>> >>>First, the Nazis murdered millions of people and did so in the most horrible
>> >>>way. Second, a lot of them were people of Jewish background and were in fact
>> >>>murdered for no other reason than that they were of Jewish background.
>> >>>
>> >>>There is some debate over details and exact numbers, but there is no debate
>> >>>over the basic facts. Neither does this only come from official propaganda,
>> >>>there are people still living who were there and/or who knew what was
>> >>>happening. I’ve met some, including old Nazis as well as Jews. Even my father
>> >>>was close enough to the action to have been very definite about what happened.
>> >>>
>> >>>Also, there is no debate that the behavior of some other nations was shameful
>> >>>in that they were reluctant to take large numbers of Jewish refugees. In their
>> >>>defense, though, it must be said that they were just digging themselves out
>> >>>from under the Depression so were understandably reluctant to suddenly boost
>> >>>their unemployment queues by a few million people of an easily identified
>> >>>ethnic group.
>> >>>
>> >>>Nevertheless, it was the Nazis who pulled the trigger or released the gas.
>> >>>The blame is entirely theirs. For God’s sake, if they were really convinced
>> >>>there were too many Jews in their part of Europe there were other ways. For
>> >>>instance, they could have just encouraged them to leave, perhaps even
>> >>>actively supported the Jewish takeover of what is now Israel thus
>> >>>inconveniencing the British no end. (Read the history of Israel to find out
>> >>>what I am referring to.)
>> >>>
>> >>>I think one reason why this rubbish keeps coming up is that there is a
>> >>>widespread perception that official, that is university, history has been
>> >>>corrupted and therefore anything just could be true, or not true. The problem
>> >>>is, there is some truth behind this perception.
>> >>>
>> >>>As the left-liberals (in reality left-progressive and anything but liberal)
>> >>>came to dominate the universities, media and other important post war
>> >>>institutions “history” was readjusted, though often more in emphases than
>> >>>fact, to suit their prejudices and fantasies.
>> >>>
>> >>>Most noticeable and shocking was the hypocritical denial of disgusting crimes
>> >>>committed by regimes they liked, while making a great deal of fuss over the
>> >>>misdeeds of those they didn’t. The prime example was the way Hitler’s crimes
>> >>>were harped upon until we were all thoroughly sick of them while it was
>> >>>considered impolite to mention Stalin’s even greater crimes. Impolite in fact
>> >>>to the point of blighting the academic career of anyone so brave or foolish as
>> >>>to point out the moral equivalence of the two men and their regimes.
>> >>>
>> >>>Let’s put this bluntly. In the first half of this century two authoritarian,
>> >>>socialist philosophies came to power, the Communists and the Nazis. (Yes, they
>> >>>both CLAIMED to be socialist.) Both murdered millions of people but one lost a
>> >>>war while the other went on to capture the hearts and minds of many of the
>> >>>West’s intellectuals.
>> >>>
>> >>>Old fellow travelers with the Nazis have to accept that long ago they
>> >>>supported a truly vile and murderous group. Old fellow travelers with the
>> >>>Communists have to accept that not so long ago they supported a truly vile
>> >>>and murderous group.
>> >>>
>> >>>People who inherited any substantial part of their beliefs or worldview from
>> >>>either also have to admit that heritage and reexamine those beliefs in that
>> >>>light. Yes, this does include our current left-liberal intellectual elites.
>> >>>
>> >>>There will always be the opportunity for nasty little ravers to deny the
>> >>>Holocaust until this happens and until we remove the perception that official
>> >>>history has been distorted to serve the purposes of the elites. Only then will
>> >>>people begin to trust mainstream history again and ignore the loonies.
>> >>>
>> >>>****************************************************************
>> >>>Stephen Heyer, Queensland Australia
>>
>> Excellent post, Stephen and I would like to reiterate in terms the
>> deniers can hopefully understand. No historical fact has been
>> documented and verified to the same level of evidentiary satisfaction
>> as the Holocaust committed against the Jewish People by the Nazis.
>>
>> And yes, there were other Holocausts. The Communist killings of
>> millions of Ukrainians and other ethnic groups in the USSR. That too,
>> was denied by fellow traveller in the west for several decades: but
>> not anymore. The Slaughter of the Armenians. That too was denied by
>> the Turks: but not anymore.
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On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:36 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:16:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>>gangster!!!
>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>>>
>>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin’s participation in war crimes
>>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>>
>>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>>not been used yet.
>>>>
>>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook “to
>>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.” A Signatory may
>>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>>
>>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world’s
>>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States’ legal obligations to do so.
>>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>>
>>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>>
>>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>>1977, as ‘grave breaches’, the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>>prosecute.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>>
>>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>>
>>>>”1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately.” The order was signed “Yitzhak
>>>>R[abin].”
>>>>
>>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>>”The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949″ by Israeli
>>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo’s book “The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland”, Quartet Books,
>>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>>
>>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin’s implication in
>>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin’s orders. As a prelude to
>>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile’. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>>planned ‘transfer’ policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>>master plan of “ethnical cleansing”.
>>>>
>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>
>>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as ‘war crimes’.
>>>>
>>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>>> of their Inhabitants
>>>>
>>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>>
>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>
>>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>>prohibit “at any time and in any place whatsoever….collective
>>>>punishments”. It seems that the destruction of these villages – every
>>>>single house in them – constitutes ‘collective punishment’ within the
>>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>>> Youngsters
>>>>
>>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by “force, might,
>>>>beatings”. More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>>
>>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>>these practices (i.e. Ha’aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin’s role in these
>>>>policies.
>>>>
>>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) “inhuman treatment….wilfully
>>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health”. Protocol I
>>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>>the acts which remain “prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:”: “Violence to
>>>>the….physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular….(iii)
>>>>corporal punishment.”
>>>>
>>>> 4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>>> Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>>
>>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin’s war:
>>>>”Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>>southern Lebanon. (…) Rabin’s War – Operation Accountability – has killed
>>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>>Beirut. (…) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(…) About
>>>>80 villages have been hit.”. According to the London-based Middle East
>>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the “majority of casualties were
>>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>>around 100,000.”
>>>>
>>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was “expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon ‘uninhabitable’ and to create a
>>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel’s will (…)”
>>>>
>>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), “some 400,000
>>>>people – mainly Shi’ite Muslims – fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves”.
>>>>
>>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>>specifies as a ‘grave breach’ (war crime) “making the civilian population
>>>>or individual civilians the object of attack” as well as “launching an
>>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects”. Further details are provided
>>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a ‘grave breach’ of international
>>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>>
>>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>>
>>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>>
>>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>>their country’s sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>>
>>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>>
>>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>>of hostilities.
>>>>
>>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>>
>>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>>
>>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>>
>>>>Mr. Rabin’s Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>>
>>>>As to Mr. Rabin’s personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>>and 1967).
>>>>
>>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>>”to break the bones” of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by “force, might, beatings” and
>>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>>
>>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel’s Prime
>>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin’s primary responsibility for this act.
>>>>
>>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>>
>>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>>described as ‘war crimes’ as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>>view, only the most outrageous types of ‘war crimes’, as committed in World
>>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>>Conventions.
>>>>
>>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>>the “deportation … for any … purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>>occupied territory” as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>>”deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>>population….when such acts are done….in connection with any crime
>>>>against peace or any war crime”, as Crime against Humanity.
>>>>
>>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>>process of law to determine a defendant’s culpability and punishment). The
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes ‘corporal punishment’, although not as
>>>>a ‘grave breach’. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>>
>>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the ‘grave
>>>>breaches’ (war crimes), if such attacks were committed “wilfully, in
>>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>>serious injury to body or health”.
>>>>
>>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>>
>>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>>then, state:
>>>>
>>>>”The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law”
>>>>(Principle III. “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him”.
>>>>(Principle IV).
>>>>
>>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>>such reservations.
>>>>
>>>>Conclusion
>>>>
>>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>>short legal discussion.
>>>>
>>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived – legally – by
>>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today’s world, it
>>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>>circumstances.
>>>>
>>>>Human rights’ and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin’s
>>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>>found.
>>>
>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser
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On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:41:42 GMT, [email protected] (E. Barry Bruyea)
wrote:
>On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:40:21 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:45:16 +0000, The Dommestic Goddess
>>
>>>Fellow Netizens,
>>>The western world has been programmed by the jews for the last two or three
>>>generations..via their control of our culture by movies and television…..and there
>>>is now no way to stop this psychological impregnation that they are the only
>>>”Victims” of WWII.
>>>Question: Count out how many TV programs you watch during a one week period that are
>>>either produced by Hollywood Jews….have Jewish lead actors or are Semetic
>>>Progaganda……
>>
>>>Our minds and thoughts are being manipulated during this end time…be very careful
>>>of what you say on the net….Mossad are watching all of us!!*flicking them the bird*
>>
>>>The Domestic Goddess
>>>On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:33:05 GMT, [email protected] the maggot
>>>apologist for the Jew Christkillers wrote:
>>>From deja News some interesting comments worthy of more discussion.
>>>On 29 Sep 1997 09:42:03 GMT, [email protected](NSWPP) wrote:
>>>> 1. WHAT PROOF EXISTS THAT THE NAZIS PRACTICED GENOCIDE OR
>>>>DELIBERATELY KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS?
>>
>>>> None. The only evidence is the contradictory testimony of
>>>>individual “survivors”, and no “survivor” claims actually to have
>>>>witnessed any gassing. There is no hard evidence whatsoever. No mounds
>>>>of ashes, no piles of clothes, no crematoria capable of doing the job,
>>>>no human soap, no lampshades made out of human skin, no records, no
>>>>demographic statistics.
>You were on OJ’s jury, Right?
Barry, are you only interested in your hate-filled problems regarding
Yugoslavia??
On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:45:16 +0000, The Dommestic Goddess
>Fellow Netizens,
>The western world has been programmed by the jews for the last two or three
>generations..via their control of our culture by movies and television…..and there
>is now no way to stop this psychological impregnation that they are the only
>”Victims” of WWII.
>Question: Count out how many TV programs you watch during a one week period that are
>either produced by Hollywood Jews….have Jewish lead actors or are Semetic
>Progaganda……
>Our minds and thoughts are being manipulated during this end time…be very careful
>of what you say on the net….Mossad are watching all of us!!*flicking them the bird*
>The Domestic Goddess
>On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:33:05 GMT, [email protected] the maggot
>apologist for the Jew Christkillers wrote:
>From deja News some interesting comments worthy of more discussion.
>On 29 Sep 1997 09:42:03 GMT, [email protected](NSWPP) wrote:
>> 1. WHAT PROOF EXISTS THAT THE NAZIS PRACTICED GENOCIDE OR
>>DELIBERATELY KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS?
>> None. The only evidence is the contradictory testimony of
>>individual “survivors”, and no “survivor” claims actually to have
>>witnessed any gassing. There is no hard evidence whatsoever. No mounds
>>of ashes, no piles of clothes, no crematoria capable of doing the job,
>>no human soap, no lampshades made out of human skin, no records, no
>>demographic statistics.
>
>> On the other hand there exists extensive evidence of a
>>forensic, demographic, analytical, documentary, anecdotal, and
>>comparative nature which clearly proves the impossibility of such a
>>figure as six million Jewish dead, an exaggeration of possibly 1000%.
>
>
>> 2. HOW DID GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS DIFFER FROM AMERICAN
>>RELOCATION CAMPS WHICH INTERNED JAPANESE AND GERMAN-AMERICANS DURING
>>WORLD WAR TWO?
>
>> Except for the name, the only difference was that the Germans
>>interned persons who were a real or suspected threat to the German war
>>effort, whereas the Americans interned persons on the basis of their
>>race or national origin alone.
>
>
>> 3. WHY DID THE GERMAN AUTHORITIES INTERN JEWS IN THE
>>CONCENTRATION CAMPS?
>
>> Because the Germans considered the Jews a direct threat to
>>their national sovereignty and survival, correctly as it turned out.
>>Jews were overwhelmingly represented in Germany in Communist subversion
>>during the Weimar period. On a per capita basis, Jews were highly
>>overrepresented in government, commercial, and media positions.
>>However, ALL suspected security risks, not just Jews, were in danger of
>>internment once the war broke out.
>
>> On March 24th, 1933, international Jewry declared war on
>>Germany and ordered a world-wide boycott of German goods simply because
>>the German government had removed Jews from influential positions and
>>transferred power back to the German people. The boycott order and the
>>Jewish war against Germany were reported in the world print and
>>broadcast media of the time. False stories of German “death camps” were
>>in fact circulated even before the outbreak of World War Two. Therefore
>>the German view of the Jewish people as enemy aliens would seem to have
>>been fully justified.
>
>
>> 4. DID SIMON WIESENTHAL ONCE ADMIT THAT THERE WERE NEVER ANY
>>DEATH CAMPS ON GERMAN SOIL?
>
>> Yes. In *Books and Bookmen*, April 1975 issue. He claims the
>>gassing of all the Jews took place in Poland.
>
>
>> 5. DACHAU IS IN GERMANY. IF EVEN SIMON WIESENTHAL NOW ADMITS IT
>>WAS NOT A DEATH CAMP, WHY DO THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN VETERANS SAY IT WAS?
>>
>> Because after the Allies captured Dachau (and incidentally
>>murdered dozens of the former staff without trial), thousands of GIs
>>were led through the camp and shown buildings alleged to be gas
>>chambers. This story was later quietly expunged from official Holocaust
>>lore because it became too difficult to maintain in the face of known
>>fact and because Dachau was in the Allied occupation zone where access
>>to the camp was too easy and unrestricted.
>
>> En passant, the brief lifespan of the “Dachau death camp”
>>version gave rise to the first critical examination and questioning of
>>the Holocaust myth by historians and by some Allied veterans who
>>noticed discrepancies in what they had seen and what they read in
>>official accounts. It would be many years, though, before this early
>>Holocaust Revisionism gained momentum.
>
>
>> 6. AUSCHWITZ IS IN POLAND, NOT GERMANY. IS THERE ANY PROOF THAT
>>GAS CHAMBERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF KILLING PEOPLE EXISTED AT AUSCHWITZ?
>
>> No. The “gas chamber” exhibited to tourists at Auschwitz could
>>not possibly have been used to carry out executions; it is far too
>>small and it is not even airtight. In the 1980s, American expert Fred
>>Leuchter, who builds gas chambers for American penal systems, took
>>scrapings from the walls of the Auschwitz “gas chamber” for chemical
>>analysis. He found no cyanide residue at all. The Auschwitz exhibit is
>>a fake, pure and simple, a flimsy tourist trap.
>
>
>> 7. IS AUSCHWITZ WASN’T A DEATH CAMP, WHAT WAS ITS TRUE PURPOSE?
>
>> It was a large-scale manufacturing complex. Synthetic rubber
>>(Buna) was made there, and its inmates were used as a workforce, in the
>>same way in which inmate labor is increasingly being used in
>>correctional systems throughout the United States today.
>
>
>> 8. WHAT ABOUT THE INFAMOUS ZYKLON-B GAS?
>
>> Zyklon-B is a commercially manufactured compound of hydrocyanic
>>gas. It has a number of widespread industrial uses, including the
>>fumigation of lice-infested clothing, the purpose for which it was
>>applied at Auschwitz. Zyklon-B is still manufactured worldwide and is
>>commonly used and available today.
>
>
>> 9. IF AUSCHWITZ WAS NOT AN EXTERMINATION CAMP, WHY DID FORMER
>>COMMANDANT RUDOLF HOESS CONFESS THAT IT WAS?
>
>> Hoess was captured by the Russians and Polish Communists and
>>brutally tortured. He signed his confession, the SOLE SOURCE for the
>>figure of six million dead Jews, in English, a language he could not
>>read. Some pages of the original document are literally stained with
>>Hoess’ blood. Hoess was then conveniently executed so he could not be
>>cross examined.
>
>
>> 10. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FULLY TO VENTILATE AN AREA FUMIGATED
>>WITH ZYKLON-B?
>
>> About twenty hours. The whole procedure is extremely involved
>>and technical. Gas masks have to be used and well trained technicians
>>only are employed.
>
>
>> 11. RUDOLF HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD
>>ENTER THE GAS CHAMBER TEN MINUTES AFTER THE JEWS HAD DIED AND REMOVE
>>THE BODIES. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS?
>
>> It can’t be explained, because it could not have happened like
>>that. Had the Germans done this they would have suffered the same fate
>>as the allegedly exterminated Jews.
>
>
>> 12. HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD SMOKE
>>CIGARETTES AS THEY PULLED DEAD JEWS OUT OF CHAMBERS WHICH TEN MINUTES
>>BEFORE HAD BEEN FILLED WITH GAS. ISN’T ZYKLON-B EXPLOSIVE?
>
>> Highly so. The Hoess confession is obviously false and the six
>>million figure as well.
>
>
>> 13. HOW COULD SUCH A MASS MURDER PROGRAM HAVE BEEN KEPT SECRET
>>FROM JEWS WHO WERE SCHEDULED FOR EXECUTION? HOW COULD THE POPE, THE
>>VATICAN, THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS, AND ALLIED MILITARY INTELLIGENCE
>>NOT KNOW?
>
>> Given the acknowledged efficiency and penetration of the OSS,
>>British MI5, and Soviet NKVD into the Third Reich, it could not have
>>been kept secret. Nor can one imagine any reason for the Allies, who
>>were fighting to destroy Germany, not to make use of such a potentially
>>powerful propaganda weapon, had there been any contemporary evidence at
>>all during the war that such an event was occurring.
>
>
>> 14. HOW MANY JEWS ACTUALLY DIED IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS
>>DURING THE WAR?
>
>> About 300,000.
>
>
>> 15. HOW DID THEY DIE?
>
>> Mainly from recurring typhus epidemics that ravaged war-torn
>>Europe during the period. Typhus is a disease which invariably appears
>>whenever people are jammed together for long periods without bathing.
>>It is carried by lice which infects hair and clothes. Ironically, if
>>the Germans had used more Zyklon-B for disinfectant purposes, more Jews
>>might have survived the concentration camps. Jewish prisoners (as well
>>as many others) also died from starvation and lack of medical attention
>>towards the end of the war when virtually all rail and road transport
>>had come to a standstill due to the intense Allied bombing campaign.
>
>
>> 16. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WHETHER SIX MILLION JEWS OR 300,000
>>DIED?
>
>> 5,700,00. The key question is whether or not there was a
>>deliberate, systematic attempt on the part of the Third Reich to
>>exterminate the Jews of Europe. The evidence clearly shows that there
>>was not, and the focus of world attention now needs to shift to the
>>identity, the activities, and the financial and political motivations
>>of those who have inflicted on all humanity for the past fifty years
>>the grotesque, slanderous, and evil lie that there was a “Holocaust”.
>
>
>> 17. MANY JEWISH SURVIVORS OF THE “DEATH CAMPS” SAY THEY SAW
>>BODIES BEING PILED UP IN PITS AND BURNED. HOW MUCH GASOLINE WOULD HAVE
>>BEEN USED TO PERFORM THIS ACT?
>
>> A lot more than the Germans had access to or could have
>>afforded to waste during the Second World War, that’s for sure.
>
>
>> 18. CAN BODIES BE BURNED IN PITS?
>
>> No. It is impossible for human bodies to be totally consumed by
>>flames in this manner as not enough heat can be generated in open pits.
>>[Note From Winston Smith: I can personally confirm from my own
>>observations of both Communist and American atrocities in both the
>>American and Rhodesian armed forces that it is impossible completely to
>>destroy human bodies en masse with either gasoline, napalm, or in any
>>other way in open pits. The Holocaust “experts” who claim otherwise are
>>either parroting what they have been told without bothering to check
>>their facts, or else they are lying.]
>
>
>> 19. HOLOCAUST AUTHORS CLAIM THE NAZIS WERE ABLE TO CREMATE
>>BODIES IN ABOUT TEN MINUTES. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO INCINERATE A BODY
>>ACCORDING TO PROFESSIONAL FUNERAL OPERATORS?
>
>> About two hours.
>
>
>> 20. WHY DID CONCENTRATION CAMPS HAVE CREMATORY OVENS?
>
>> To dispose efficiently and sanitarily of the corpses dead from
>>typhus and other diseases.
>>
>
>> 21. GIVEN A 100% DUTY CYCLE OF ALL THE KNOWN CREMATORIA IN ALL
>>THE CAMPS IN GERMAN-CONTROLLED TERRITORY, WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF
>>CORPSES WHICH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE TO INCINERATE DURING THE
>>ENTIRE TIME THE CAMPS WERE IN EXISTENCE?
>
>> About 430,600.
>
>
>> 22. CAN A CREMATORY OVEN BE OPERATED 100% OF THE TIME?
>
>> No. 50% of the time is a very generous estimate, or 12 hours
>>per day. Crematory ovens have to be cleaned thoroughly and regularly
>>when in heavy operation.
>
>
>> 23. ON THE AVERAGE, HOW MUCH ASH IS LEFT FROM A CREMATED
>>CORPSE?
>
>> After the bone is ground down into powder, a separate
>>time-consuming process in itself, about a shoe box full.
>
>
>> 24. IF SIX MILLION PEOPLE WERE INCINERATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>>HAPPENED TO THE ASHES?
>
>> That remains to be “explained”. Six million bodies would
>>produce literally mountains of ash, tons upon tons. Yet there have been
>>no discoveries of any huge deposits of ash in the Auschwitz are or
>>anywhere else in Europe.
>
>
>> 25. DO ALLIED WARTIME PHOTOS OF AUSCHWITZ, TAKEN FROM THE AIR,
>>SHOW ANY SIGNS OF CREMATORIA IN FULL BLAST OPERATION?
>
>> No. These photographs do not reveal even a trace of the immense
>>amount of smoke which must have hung constantly over the camp, nor do
>>they show any evidence of the alleged open pits where the bodies were
>>burned.
>
>
>> 26. WHAT DID THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE
>>WHOLE “HOLOCAUST” ISSUE?
>
>> A report of the visit of an IRC delegation to Auschwitz in
>>September of 1944 pointed out that internees were allowed to receive
>>packages and that rumors of gas chambers could not be verified. The
>>full official report of the International Red Cross on the Second World
>>War makes no mention at all of the so-called Holocaust or any of the
>>wilder allegations connected with the so-called Holocaust.
>
>> Interestingly, in 1996, fifty years after the war’s end, the
>>liberal media in America and Europe began running a series of articles
>>claiming that the Red Cross was “full of Nazi sympathizers”. This
>>charge is entirely bogus and may be chalked up to belated Jewish
>>attempts at damage control as the Holocaust myth crumbles steadily in
>>the light of factual examination and critical analysis.
>
>
>> 27. IS THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK GENUINE?
>
>> Not as published, no. The evidence compiled by Dietlieb
>>Felderer of Sweden and Dr. Robert Faurisson of France proves
>>conclusively that the published version of the famous diary is a
>>literary hoax. There was a girl named Anne Frank, and sections of the
>>diary appear to be genuine, including several wherein she describes
>>adolescent lesbian sexual experiences which were later excised from the
>>published text.
>
>> In 1950 Anne Frank’s father sued author Meyer Levin, the actual
>>writer of the diary, over royalties from the book. A Jewish judge in
>>New York ordered the records of the court case sealed for 100 years.
>>When the original diary was put on display a few years later, it was
>>noticed that the most poignant sections of the book were interpolations
>>written in a forged handwriting in BALL POINT PEN, a writing instrument
>>which was not invented until 1950. The original diary was swiftly
>>removed from exhibit and whisked away into a safety deposit box in
>>Israel. It has never been produced for examination since then despite
>>repeated attempts by scholars to view it.
>
>> 28. WHAT ABOUT ALL THE NUMEROUS PHOTOGRAPHS AND FILM FOOTAGE
>>ALLEGEDLY TAKEN IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS SHOWING EMACIATED CORPSES
>>AND PEOPLE? ARE THESE FAKED?
>
>> Some are, but most of the fakery lies in the captioning.
>>Corpses of German air raid victims, for example, are labeled as dead
>>Jews. One famous and oft-reprinted photo purports to show a “Nazi SS
>>man” about to shoot a mother holding her child; on closer examination
>>of the blurry print with a magnifying glass, it is clear to military
>>historians familiar with the uniforms and weapons of the period that
>>the killer is a Red Army soldier wielding a Russian-made carbine.
>
>> (The Exterminationist habit of blaming the Germans for
>>atrocities actually carried out by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin
>>remains common, even though some of the more notorious examples like
>>the Katyn Forest massacre of Polish prisoners have now been properly
>>laid at the door of the Kremlin. That this kind of fraud continues to
>>be perpetrated by Holocaust “experts” is not surprising in view of the
>>fact that almost all of them espouse Marxist or extreme left-wing views
>>and are as quick to apologize for and explain away Stalin’s butcheries
>>as they are to invent fraudulent crimes attributed to Adolf Hitler. The
>>almost universally leftist political and social orientation of
>>Holocaust defenders is important and should always be born in mind when
>>examining their claims; letting Stalin off the hook is almost as
>>important to them as blackening and defaming the memory of Hitler and
>>the German people. A good example of this is Nizkor leader Ken McVay’s
>>refusal to accept any more NSWPP e-mail after General Secretary Smith
>>asked him why he did not condemn the mass murders of Stalin.)
>
>
>> 29. WHAT WAS THE ROLE OF THE VATICAN DURING THE TIME IN WHICH
>>SIX MILLION JEWS WERE ALLEGEDLY EXTERMINATED?
>>
>> Had there been an extermination plan being carried out in a
>>predominantly Catholic country like Poland, the Vatican would certainly
>>have been in a position to learn about it. Since no such plan existed,
>>the Vatican had no need to speak out about it.
>>
>
>> 30. WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT ADOLF HITLER ORDERED THE
>>EXTERMINATION OF THE JEWS?
>
>> None. No documentary evidence of any kind indicating a
>>deliberate extermination plan on the part of the Nazis has ever come to
>>light. No signed order from Hitler, from Reichsfuhrer-SS Heinrich
>>Himmler, or from any other functionary of the Third Reich ordering the
>>extermination of the Jews has ever been discovered. The Nazis were
>>meticulous records-keepers and literally tons of documents were seized
>>by the Allies at the end of the war, so many it took Allied archivists
>>and scholars years to organize, file, and catalog them all. Nothing.
>>Zip. Nada.
>
>
>> 31. DID THE GERMANS AND THE ZIONISTS COLLABORATE BEFORE AND
>>DURING THE WAR?
>
>> Absolutely. Both groups were interested in removing the Jews
>>from Europe (the Zionists wanted the Jews shipped to Palestine) and
>>they maintained friendly relations throughout the war. The German
>>official in charge of shipping thousands of Jews to then
>>British-occupied Palestine (including future Israeli prime minister
>>Menachem Begin) was Adolf Eichmann; after the war the Holocaust
>>industry considered this secret so volatile and dangerous that Eichmann
>>was abducted by the Israeli Mossad and subsequently murdered in order
>>to silence him.
>
>
>> 32. HOW MANY JEWS WERE IN AREAS WHICH CAME TO BE CONTROLLED BY
>>THE GERMANS DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR?
>
>> Slightly less than four million.
>
>
>> 33. HOW MANY JEWS FLED DEEP INTO THE SOVIET UNION TO ESCAPE THE
>>NAZIS?
>
>> Over two million. The Germans did not have access to them to
>>kill them.
>
>
>> 34. IF EUROPEAN JEWS WEREN’T EXTERMINATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>>HAPPENED TO THEM?
>
>> After the war most Jews emigrated to Palestine, the United
>>States, Argentina, Canada, and Great Britain. Except for about 300,000,
>>they are all accounted for.
>
>> 35. HOW DOES THE HOLOCAUST STORY BENEFIT THE JEWISH PEOPLE
>>TODAY?
>
>> It shields them from any criticism over their political,
>>economic, and social behavior. It is instrumental in raising immense
>>sums of “guilt money”, especially from the German government. It
>>justifies aid to the state of Israel totaling almost $10 billion
>>dollars per year from various sources. Israel has received almost $70
>>billion dollars in assorted “Holocaust reparations” and the ante is
>>growing every year. It is clearly in the interest of Israel and the
>>Jewish people to keep the scam going.
>
>
>> 36. ARE FILMS LIKE “HOLOCAUST”, “SCHINDLER’S LIST”, AND “THE
>>WINDS OF WAR” DOCUMENTARIES?
>
>> Hollywood movies are not history and are not intended to be.
>>They are fictionalized dramas. The characters in movies are actors, not
>>real people, who are being very highly paid for their portrayals of
>>events that did not in fact occur. They read their lines from a
>>screenplay written by Hollywood scriptwriters, a profession where Jews
>>are very highly overrepresented, as they are in the studios and the
>>creative and financial sectors of film making.
>
>> Hollywood is such an extremely unreliable source of history
>>that in recent years even mainstream reviewers and commentators have
>>begun to express doubt and suspicion over some films. For example, the
>>character of Oscar Schindler as portrayed by Liam Neeson in Spielberg’s
>>production of “Schindler’s List” was sanitized to the point of being
>>unrecognizable. Schindler was portrayed as almost saintly, and yet none
>>of those still living who remember the man have a single good word to
>>say about him. The real Schindler was a confidence artist, a thief, a
>>libertine and degenerate gambler who indulged freely in forced sexual
>>relations with young female camp inmates, who later abandoned his wife
>>and fled with his mistress to Brazil after embezzling a large sum of
>>money. Other major directors like Oliver Stone have come under fire
>>because their portrayals of historical characters like Nixon and events
>>like the JFK assassination reflect a paranoid obsession with the most
>>bizarre of left-wing conspiracy theories.
>
>
>> 37. ABOUT HOW MANY BOOKS HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED WHICH REFUTE SOME
>>ASPECT OF THE STANDARDS JEWISH CLAIMS ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST?
>
>> Over 100, with more in the works.
>
>
>> 38. BUT AREN’T ALL THOSE WHO QUESTION THE HOLOCAUST
>>ANTI-SEMITIC OR NEO-NAZIS?
>
>> Some are, although why such people should be denied the same
>>right to advance their viewpoint which liberal democracy grants so
>>freely to Jews and liberals in this purportedly free society is never
>>explained. The NSWPP is a National Socialist organization, although
>>unlike the Jews we acknowledge our identity and our ideological
>>position in the open. Most Revisionists, however, are academics,
>>genuine scholars who seek only the truth. Many hold liberal or
>>libertarian views, although these views often change as they are
>>subjected to the intense persecution which accompanies any deviation
>>from the official orthodoxy on the Holocaust.
>
>
>> 39. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HISTORIANS WHO DISPUTE THE OFFICIAL
>>VERSION OF THE HOLOCAUST?
>
>> A variety of unpleasant things. Significantly, the Jews have
>>always refused to debate the facts of the Holocaust openly with
>>Revisionists. An Internet group allegedly set up for this purpose
>>called Nizkor does not in fact debate Revisionists, but engages in
>>hysterical campaigns of ad hominem abuse against anyone who dares to
>>express any dissent or doubt in re Holocaust orthodoxy. It is clear
>>from many of the postings to Nizkor’s Internet playgroups that they
>>have attracted a number of people, mostly Jews but some left-liberal
>>Gentiles as well, who are motivated by intense racial bigotry and
>>ideological hatred of anyone who disagrees with them, and who in some
>>cases appear to be severely mentally and emotionally disturbed.
>
>> The Jews respond to any questioning of the Holocaust with
>>hatred, violence, and persecution, which in itself is the surest
>>giveaway that they have something to hide. In many countries those who
>>ask politically incorrect or searching questions about the Holocaust
>>are arrested, tortured, and imprisoned.
>
>> Dr. Robert Faurisson was assaulted by a Jewish gang who beat
>>him so badly that he was almost crippled. In California, a major
>>Revisionist bookseller’s offices were burned, and in Toronto
>>Revisionist author Ernst Zundel’s home was almost destroyed in an arson
>>attack. Zundel was subjected to a bizarre series of show trials lasting
>>over ten years, and after being finally acquitted he has been denied
>>Canadian citizenship and is still battling attempts to deport him to
>>prison and torture in Germany.
>
>> An American citizen, Gerhard Lauck of Lincoln, Nebraska, was
>>kidnapped by the German government and at this writing is serving a
>>lengthy prison sentence in Germany for the “crime” of writing
>>pro-National Socialist commentary IN THE UNITED STATES where it is
>>legal. Another American citizen, Hans Schmidt of Florida, was also
>>abducted, held in prison in Germany for almost a year, and released
>>only after an international outcry. Schmidt’s “crime” was writing a
>>pro-Revisionist article, in English, in a newsletter published and
>>distributed in the United States. German nationalist Manfred Roeder has
>>been imprisoned so many times he’s lost count. Revisionists have been
>>stripped of jobs and academic posts, denied tenure in universities,
>>victimized by harassing lawsuits, received bombs in the mail, and
>>subjected to constant death threats from Jews and Marxists.
>
>> THESE ARE NOT THE REACTIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. Innocent people
>>who are accused of a crime or a fraud do not respond by trying to kill,
>>imprison, or forcibly silence their accusers. More than anything else,
>>the behavior of the Jews and the governments they influence so strongly
>>proves that the Holocaust is a fraud. If the Holocaust was true,
>>neither the Jews nor any state authority would need to use force to
>>silence criticism, any more than force need be used against people who
>>believe the earth is flat. The arrests, imprisonment, assaults and
>>torchings are the moral equivalent of a full confession on the part of
>>the Jewish people that they are contemptible liars who have imposed the
>>most massive and vicious hoax in history on all of humanity, and have
>>used that hoax as an excuse to rob us blind, steal another people’s
>>country, and then to slaughter that country’s original inhabitants at
>>will, as according to National Public Radio they are doing even now as
>>I type this, in the town of Ramallah.
>
>> 40. HAVE THESE THUGGISH TACTICS SUCCEEDED IN SILENCING
>>REVISIONISTS?
>
>> No. They have only made Revisionists more determined than ever
>>to ensure that the truth comes out and that the nations of the earth
>>understand how the Jewish people have lied to them, defrauded them, and
>>robbed them for over half a century now with the Holocaust lie. There
>>can be little doubt that in succeeding generations the Holocaust will
>>be accepted by mainstream historians and the public at large for what
>>it is: a politically inspired hoax.
>
>
>>NOTE: This article was partially re-worked by me from material in a
>>pamphlet provided by the Institute for Historical Review. For further
>>information on Revisionism, the IHR may be contacted at
>>[email protected] – W.S.
>sven88
>”E. Barry Bruyea” wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:55:34 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 15:45:41 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 14:13:29 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >>>The truth about the Holocaust: It happened
>> >
>> >>>Must be the weather or something but the loonies are out again. Among other
>> >>>things I notice a new flurry of postings denying the Holocaust.
>> >
>> >>To which Holocaust or Holohoax do YOU refer?
>> >
>> >>To the murder of 25 million Ukrainians by the JEW-led Soviet
>> >>CHEKA/NKVD in 1932-3?
>> >
>> >>Or, perhaps to the Turk slaughter of the Armenians prior to WWI?
>> >
>> >>
>> >>I normally try
>> >>>to avoid seriously raving loonies, not that they’re dangerous or anything,
>> >>>it’s just that you get sprayed with all those little bits of spit.
>> >>>
>> >>>Nevertheless, sometimes you have to gird you’re loins, or rather put a hanky
>> >>>over your face, and correct their rubbish just so young people are not misled.
>> >>>Social duty and all that.
>> >>>
>> >>>First, the Nazis murdered millions of people and did so in the most horrible
>> >>>way. Second, a lot of them were people of Jewish background and were in fact
>> >>>murdered for no other reason than that they were of Jewish background.
>> >>>
>> >>>There is some debate over details and exact numbers, but there is no debate
>> >>>over the basic facts. Neither does this only come from official propaganda,
>> >>>there are people still living who were there and/or who knew what was
>> >>>happening. I’ve met some, including old Nazis as well as Jews. Even my father
>> >>>was close enough to the action to have been very definite about what happened.
>> >>>
>> >>>Also, there is no debate that the behavior of some other nations was shameful
>> >>>in that they were reluctant to take large numbers of Jewish refugees. In their
>> >>>defense, though, it must be said that they were just digging themselves out
>> >>>from under the Depression so were understandably reluctant to suddenly boost
>> >>>their unemployment queues by a few million people of an easily identified
>> >>>ethnic group.
>> >>>
>> >>>Nevertheless, it was the Nazis who pulled the trigger or released the gas.
>> >>>The blame is entirely theirs. For God’s sake, if they were really convinced
>> >>>there were too many Jews in their part of Europe there were other ways. For
>> >>>instance, they could have just encouraged them to leave, perhaps even
>> >>>actively supported the Jewish takeover of what is now Israel thus
>> >>>inconveniencing the British no end. (Read the history of Israel to find out
>> >>>what I am referring to.)
>> >>>
>> >>>I think one reason why this rubbish keeps coming up is that there is a
>> >>>widespread perception that official, that is university, history has been
>> >>>corrupted and therefore anything just could be true, or not true. The problem
>> >>>is, there is some truth behind this perception.
>> >>>
>> >>>As the left-liberals (in reality left-progressive and anything but liberal)
>> >>>came to dominate the universities, media and other important post war
>> >>>institutions “history” was readjusted, though often more in emphases than
>> >>>fact, to suit their prejudices and fantasies.
>> >>>
>> >>>Most noticeable and shocking was the hypocritical denial of disgusting crimes
>> >>>committed by regimes they liked, while making a great deal of fuss over the
>> >>>misdeeds of those they didn’t. The prime example was the way Hitler’s crimes
>> >>>were harped upon until we were all thoroughly sick of them while it was
>> >>>considered impolite to mention Stalin’s even greater crimes. Impolite in fact
>> >>>to the point of blighting the academic career of anyone so brave or foolish as
>> >>>to point out the moral equivalence of the two men and their regimes.
>> >>>
>> >>>Let’s put this bluntly. In the first half of this century two authoritarian,
>> >>>socialist philosophies came to power, the Communists and the Nazis. (Yes, they
>> >>>both CLAIMED to be socialist.) Both murdered millions of people but one lost a
>> >>>war while the other went on to capture the hearts and minds of many of the
>> >>>West’s intellectuals.
>> >>>
>> >>>Old fellow travelers with the Nazis have to accept that long ago they
>> >>>supported a truly vile and murderous group. Old fellow travelers with the
>> >>>Communists have to accept that not so long ago they supported a truly vile
>> >>>and murderous group.
>> >>>
>> >>>People who inherited any substantial part of their beliefs or worldview from
>> >>>either also have to admit that heritage and reexamine those beliefs in that
>> >>>light. Yes, this does include our current left-liberal intellectual elites.
>> >>>
>> >>>There will always be the opportunity for nasty little ravers to deny the
>> >>>Holocaust until this happens and until we remove the perception that official
>> >>>history has been distorted to serve the purposes of the elites. Only then will
>> >>>people begin to trust mainstream history again and ignore the loonies.
>> >>>
>> >>>****************************************************************
>> >>>Stephen Heyer, Queensland Australia
>>
>> Excellent post, Stephen and I would like to reiterate in terms the
>> deniers can hopefully understand. No historical fact has been
>> documented and verified to the same level of evidentiary satisfaction
>> as the Holocaust committed against the Jewish People by the Nazis.
>>
>> And yes, there were other Holocausts. The Communist killings of
>> millions of Ukrainians and other ethnic groups in the USSR. That too,
>> was denied by fellow traveller in the west for several decades: but
>> not anymore. The Slaughter of the Armenians. That too was denied by
>> the Turks: but not anymore.
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:56:26 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 11:04:59 -0500, “Shabati..Zvi Äbuishneineh”
>
>>SJAFAR@newsnet., new wrote:
>>> Investigators reportedly have opened several graves of Yemenite Jewish
>>> babies and found them to be empty – a discovery that might support
>>> claims that Yemenite children were taken from their parents for adoption
>>> decades ago.
>>> For years, Yemenite activists have claimed hundreds of babies declared
>>> dead were actually given to adoptive parents of European descent. If the
>>> claims are true, it could further sour relations between Middle Eastern
>>> and European Jews in Israel.
>>> The four graves at Tel Aviv’s Givat Shaul cemetery were opened last
>>> Wednesday as part of an official investigation, with a rabbi and family
>>> members present.
>>>
>>> Wooden signs over the empty graves bore the names Ruthie Babu, Ruthie
>>> Cohen, Reuven Rafaelo and Moshe Mishraki, Israel TV reported Saturday.
>>> All were hospitalized when only a few months old. Their parents never
>>> saw them again, nor did they see a body or a death certificate.
>>>
>>> “Now there is no doubt that this was an affair of planned fraud in
>>> which funerals were staged and evidence was falsified,” said Ora
>>> Shifris, a spokesman for the Yemenite families.
>>>
>>> Hundreds of children disappeared during the mass immigration of Yemenite
>>> Jews in the early 1950s, when the immigrants were housed in tent camps.
>>> Camp officials and medical staff denied any wrongdoing, saying there was
>>> chaos in the camps, where many babies were sickly and died.
>>>
>>> Two other commissions have investigated the affair, but many families
>>> dismissed their inconclusive findings.
>>>
>>> In 1994, radical Yemenite activist Uzi Meshulam and a group of armed
>>> followers barricaded themselves in a house in Tel Aviv for six weeks to
>>> press demands for a new inquiry. One of the followers was killed in a
>>> shootout with police, and Meshulam is serving a 6 1/2-year prison term.
>>> But the confrontation created a furor that led to the current
>>> commission, which has subpoena powers.
>>>
>>> Israel’s 4.7 million Jews are roughly evenly divided between those of
>>> Middle Eastern and European descent, but the latter have always been
>>> dominant economically and socially.
>>
>>
>>Mr. Jafar.
>>1. The number of children exceeded the thousands, not hundreds.
>>2. Most of the low Paige and menial jobs are given to Arab Jews.
>>3. For economic reasons, most of the prostitutes in Israel are underage
>>Yemenites (and now Russian) Jewish little girls.
>>4. Rejecting the blood of the African Jews (the Falasha) is just on of
>>the facet of the fascist Zionist life. The Falasha Jews are prohibited
>>from performing marriages and funeral. Only Aryan Jews are allowed to do
>>that besides some Arab Jews who had to (convert) to Judaism, the Aryan
>>style.
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On Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:47:04 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:06:50 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>And don’t forget the roles of the cursed Christkillers – the damned
>>>JEWS – in the spread of Communism, and their involvement in the murder
>>>of more than 100 millions in this century!!!
>>>From Lucy Dawidowicz’s book The War Against the Jews 1933-1945 by
>>>Bantam #13084-6 says on page 377: “Exploiting the superstitious
>>>anti-Semitic prejudices of the Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians
>>>and activating their accumulated hatred for the Soviets, the Germans
>>>harnessed the violent energies of these willing collaborates to round
>>>up and kill Jews.”
>>>I now ask: “How could the Ukrainians have been anti-Semitic toward the
>>>Soviets, if the Soviets weren’t in fact Jews? Because the Soviet Union
>>>was a Jewish conceived and run totalitarian state!
>>>
>>>”Individual revolutionary leaders and Sverdlov — played a conspicuous
>>>part in the revolution of November, 1917, which enabled the
>>>Bolshevists to take possession of the state apparatus” (Univ. Jew.
>>>Encyd., Vol. IX, p.668). Here and there in the Universal Jewish
>>>Encyclopedia other Jews are named as co-founders of Russian
>>>Communism, but not Lenin and Stalin. Both of these, however,
>>>are said by some writers to be half-Jewish. Whatever the racial
>>>antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet commissariats were
>>>largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in the Communist
>>>movement was well understood in Russia. “The White Armies which
>>>opposed the Bolsehvik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks
>>>as common enemies” (Univ. Jew Encyc., Vol. I, p. 336).
>>>
>>>The Ukrainians were part of the White Army (Gentile) that
>>>opposed the Red Army (loyal to Jewish Commissariats).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:41:29 -0000, “ANAS JZAYRLI”
>>>
>>>
>>>>Since the times of Moses the Jews were oppressors or usurers, all the talent
>>>>of Jews Is concentrated on predatory acts…They have a creed which blesses
>>>>their thieving and misdeeds, they are real liars and bloodhounds, who have
>>>>not only perverted and alsified the entire Scriptures from beginning to end
>>>>and without ceasing with their interpretations.
>>>>And all of the anxious sighing, longing and hope of their hearts is directed
>>>>to the time when some day they would like to deal with us as they dealt with
>>>>the heathen in Persia at the time of Esther… O how they love that Book of
>>>>Esther, which is so suitable to their bloodthirsty revengeful, murderous
>>>>appetite and hopes ! The sun has never shown on such a bloodthirsty and
>>>>revengeful people, who fancy themselves to be the chosen people so they can
>>>>murder and strangle the heathen. No people under the sun is more greedy than
>>>>they are than they have been and always will be, as one can see from their
>>>>accursed usury. They console themselves that when their Messiah comes, he
>>>>will collect all the gold and silver in the world and divide it amongst
>>>>them.
>>>>Since childhood they have devoured such poisonous hatred against the Goyim
>>>>from their parents and rabbis, and still devour such without ceasing, that
>>>>flesh and blood, bone and marrow, and has become their life and being. And
>>>>as little as they can alter flesh and blood, bone and marrow, so little can
>>>>they change such pride and envy, they just have to stay that way and be
>>>>ruined, if God does not perform a special miracle.
>>>>
>>>>”The Jews are locusts or caterpillars which are devouring France.” Sayings
>>>>often repeated by Napoleon Bonaparte, quoted in Cherep-Spiridovich’s
>>>>THE SECRET WORLD GOVERNMENT, page 87.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Subject: How Many Jews Really Died??
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On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:30:19 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:47:17 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand
>>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at. See the
>>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>>be.
>>
>>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>>
>>>”All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren’t
>>>counted by any census – simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>>anybody who couldn’t present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>>million? We will never know.”
>>
>>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>>
>>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>>most of them probably left and survived.
>>
>>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>>persons died–e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>>
>>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>>
>>sperati wrote:
>>> ———- Forwarded message ———-
>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>> From: stefan lemieszewski
>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>
>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>
>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>> titled “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.” If someone has access I would
>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>
>>> —————————————————————————
>>
>>> North Shore News
>>> February 2, 1997
>>
>>> Insights from abroad
>>> Doug Collins
>>
>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>> served in Hiler’s forces as high ranking officers.
>>
>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>> about “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.”
>>
>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>> was Erhard Milch, who “masterminded German aircraft production and
>>> transformed the Luftwaffe.” His father was Jewish.
>>>
>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of “mixed Jewish race or
>>> married to Jews.” They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>
>>> Seventeen “Jews in Nazi uniform” were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>> Germany’s highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>> more. The research is continuing.
>>
>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>> alive.
>>
>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>> father, “wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle.”
>>
>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>> whether they were “victims or perpetrators.”
>>
>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>
>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>> documents in the process.
>>
>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler’s Germany; also that no Jew
>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, “It makes
>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated.”
>>
>>> He stated, too, that Rigg’s research would “inform both the argument
>>> about Hitler’s role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans.”
>>
>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg’s research may be
>>> used by “deniers.” But most “deniers” do not deny that large numbers of
>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>
>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>
>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>> was a Jew.
>>
>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>> one were seen as “mixed race” and were also denied full citizenship.
>>
>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>
>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of “Aryan descent.” Milch, sentenced to a
>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>
>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>
>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>
>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>
>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>> wonder why?
>>
>>> —The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>
>>
>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
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On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:36 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:16:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>>gangster!!!
>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>>>
>>>
>>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin’s participation in war crimes
>>>>
>>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>>
>>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>>not been used yet.
>>>>
>>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook “to
>>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.” A Signatory may
>>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>>
>>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world’s
>>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States’ legal obligations to do so.
>>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>>
>>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>>
>>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>>1977, as ‘grave breaches’, the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>>prosecute.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>>
>>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>>
>>>>”1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately.” The order was signed “Yitzhak
>>>>R[abin].”
>>>>
>>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>>”The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949″ by Israeli
>>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo’s book “The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland”, Quartet Books,
>>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>>
>>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin’s implication in
>>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin’s orders. As a prelude to
>>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile’. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>>planned ‘transfer’ policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>>master plan of “ethnical cleansing”.
>>>>
>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>
>>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as ‘war crimes’.
>>>>
>>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>>> of their Inhabitants
>>>>
>>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>>
>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>
>>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>>prohibit “at any time and in any place whatsoever….collective
>>>>punishments”. It seems that the destruction of these villages – every
>>>>single house in them – constitutes ‘collective punishment’ within the
>>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>>> Youngsters
>>>>
>>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by “force, might,
>>>>beatings”. More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>>
>>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>>these practices (i.e. Ha’aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin’s role in these
>>>>policies.
>>>>
>>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) “inhuman treatment….wilfully
>>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health”. Protocol I
>>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>>the acts which remain “prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:”: “Violence to
>>>>the….physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular….(iii)
>>>>corporal punishment.”
>>>>
>>>> 4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>>> Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>>
>>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin’s war:
>>>>”Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>>southern Lebanon. (…) Rabin’s War – Operation Accountability – has killed
>>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>>Beirut. (…) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(…) About
>>>>80 villages have been hit.”. According to the London-based Middle East
>>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the “majority of casualties were
>>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>>around 100,000.”
>>>>
>>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was “expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon ‘uninhabitable’ and to create a
>>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel’s will (…)”
>>>>
>>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), “some 400,000
>>>>people – mainly Shi’ite Muslims – fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves”.
>>>>
>>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>>specifies as a ‘grave breach’ (war crime) “making the civilian population
>>>>or individual civilians the object of attack” as well as “launching an
>>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects”. Further details are provided
>>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a ‘grave breach’ of international
>>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>>
>>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>>
>>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>>
>>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>>their country’s sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>>
>>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>>
>>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>>of hostilities.
>>>>
>>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>>
>>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>>
>>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>>
>>>>Mr. Rabin’s Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>>
>>>>As to Mr. Rabin’s personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>>and 1967).
>>>>
>>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>>”to break the bones” of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by “force, might, beatings” and
>>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>>
>>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel’s Prime
>>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin’s primary responsibility for this act.
>>>>
>>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>>
>>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>>described as ‘war crimes’ as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>>view, only the most outrageous types of ‘war crimes’, as committed in World
>>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>>Conventions.
>>>>
>>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>>the “deportation … for any … purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>>occupied territory” as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>>”deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>>population….when such acts are done….in connection with any crime
>>>>against peace or any war crime”, as Crime against Humanity.
>>>>
>>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>>process of law to determine a defendant’s culpability and punishment). The
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes ‘corporal punishment’, although not as
>>>>a ‘grave breach’. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>>
>>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the ‘grave
>>>>breaches’ (war crimes), if such attacks were committed “wilfully, in
>>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>>serious injury to body or health”.
>>>>
>>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>>
>>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>>then, state:
>>>>
>>>>”The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law”
>>>>(Principle III. “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him”.
>>>>(Principle IV).
>>>>
>>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>>such reservations.
>>>>
>>>>Conclusion
>>>>
>>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>>short legal discussion.
>>>>
>>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived – legally – by
>>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today’s world, it
>>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>>circumstances.
>>>>
>>>>Human rights’ and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin’s
>>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>>found.
>>>
>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser
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On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:28:47 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:58:53 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On 26 Nov 1998 02:04:42 GMT, [email protected] (Marek13) wrote:
>>>The proper word is “Holocaust.” Can’t you spell English?
>>The proper term is HOLOHOAX, in connection with the extortion of
>>billions of dollars from gullible governments, and institutions, such
>>as from Switzerland!!!
>>On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:31:10 -0600, “Bassam Kouatli”
>>
>>>Zionism and the Holocaust
>>
>>>Haim Bresheeth, in RETURN, March 1989
>>>The first point to note regarding the appropriation of the history of the
>>>Holocaust by Zionist propaganda is that Zionism without anti-Semitism is
>>>impossible. Zionism agrees with the basic tenet of anti-Semitism, namely
>>>that Jews cannot live with non-Jews.
>>>The history and roots of the Holocaust go back a long way. While the
>>>industry of death and destruction did not operate before 1942, its roots
>>>were firmly placed in the 19th Century. Jewish aspirations for emancipation
>>>emerged out of the national struggles in Europe. When the hopes for
>>>liberation through bourgeois-democratic change were dashed, other
>>>alternatives for improving the lot of the Jews of Europe achieved
>>>prominence.
>>>
>>>The socialist Bund, a mass movement with enormous following, had to contend
>>>with opposition from a new and small, almost insignificant opponent, the
>>>political Zionists. In outline these two offered diametrically opposed
>>>options for Jews in Europe. While the Bund was suggesting joining forces
>>>with the rest of Europe’s workers, the Zionists were proposing a new
>>>programme aimed at ridding Europe of its Jews by setting up some form of a
>>>Jewish state.
>>>
>>>Historically, nothing is inevitable, all depends on the balance of forces
>>>involved in the struggle. History can be seen as an option tree: every time
>>>a certain option is chosen, other routes become barred. Because of that
>>>choice, movement backwards to the point before that choice was mad is
>>>impossible. While Zionism as an option was taken by many young Jews, it
>>>remained a minority position until the first days of the 3rd Reich. The
>>>Zionist Federation of Germany (ZVfD), an organisation representing a tiny
>>>minority of German Jews, was selected by the Nazis as the body to represent
>>>the Jews of the Reich. Its was the only flag of an international
>>>organisation allowed to fly in Berlin, and this was the only international
>>>organisation allowed to operate during this period. From a marginal
>>>position, the leaders of the Zionist Federation were propelled to a
>>>prominence and centrality that surprised even them. All of a sudden they
>>>attained political power, power based not on representation, but from being
>>>selected as the choice of the Nazi regime for dealing with the ‘Jewish
>>>problem’. Their position in negotiating with the Nazis agreements that
>>>affected the lives of many tens of thousands of the Jews in Germany
>>>transformed them from a utopian, marginal organisation in Germany (and some
>>>other countries in Europe) into a real option to be considered by German
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>The best example of this was the ‘Transfer Agreement’ of 1934. Immediately
>>>after the Nazi takeover in 1933, Jews all over the world supported or were
>>>organising a world wide boycott of German goods. This campaign hurt the Nazi
>>>regime and the German authorities searched frantically for a way disabling
>>>the boycott. It was clear that if Jews and Jewish organisations were to pull
>>>out, the campaign would collapse.
>>>
>>>This problem was solved by the ZVfD. A letter sent to the Nazi party as
>>>early as 21.6.33, outlined the degree of agreement that existed between the
>>>two organisations on the questions of race, nation, and the nature of the
>>>’Jewish problem’, and it offered to collaborate with the new regime:
>>>
>>>The realisation of Zionism could only be hurt by resentment of Jews abroad
>>>against the German development. Boycott propaganda – such as is currently
>>>being carried on against Germany in many ways – is in essence unZionist,
>>>because Zionism wants not to do battle but to convince and build…
>>>
>>>In their eagerness to gain credence and the backing of the new regime, the
>>>Zionist organisation managed to undermine the boycott. The main public act
>>>was the signature of the ‘Transfer Agreement’ with the Nazi authorities
>>>during the Zionist Congress of 1934. In essence, the agreement was designed
>>>to get Germany’s Jews out of the country and into Mandate Palestine. It
>>>provided a possibility for Jews to take a sizeable part of their property
>>>out of the country, through a transfer of German goods to Palestine. This
>>>right was denied to Jews leaving for any other destination (emphasis – ED).
>>>The Zionist Organisation was the acting agent, through its financial
>>>organisations. This agreement operated on a number of fronts ‘helping’ Jews
>>>to leave the country, breaking the ring of the boycott, exporting German
>>>goods in large quantities to Palestine, and last but not least, enabling the
>>>regime to be seen as humane and reasonable even towards its avowed enemies,
>>>the Jews. After all, they argued, the Jews do not belong in Europe and now
>>>the Jews come and agree with them.
>>>
>>>After news of the agreement broke, the boycott was doomed. If the Zionist
>>>Organisation found it possible and necessary to deal with the Nazis, and
>>>import their goods, who could argue for a boycott? This was not the first
>>>time that the interests of both movements were presented to the German
>>>public as complementary. Baron Von Mildenstein, the first head of the Jewish
>>>Department of the SS, later followed by Eichmann, was invited to travel to
>>>Palestine. This he did in early 1933, in the company of a Zionist leader,
>>>Kurt Tuchler. Having spent six months in Palestine, he wrote a series of
>>>favourable articles in Der Sturmer describing the ‘new Jew’ of Zionism, a
>>>Jew Nazis could accept and understand.
>>>
>>>This little-known episode established quite clearly the relationship during
>>>the early days of Nazism, between the new regime and the ZVfD, a
>>>relationship that was echoed later in a number of key instances, even after
>>>the nature of the Final Solution became clear. In many cases this meant a
>>>silencing of reports about the horrors of the exterminations. A book
>>>concentrating on this aspect of the Zionist reaction to the Holocaust is
>>>Post-Ugandan Zionism in the Crucible of the Holocaust, by S.B. Beth-Zvi.
>>>
>>>In the case of the Kastner episode, around which Jim Allen’s play PERDITION
>>>is based, even the normal excuse of lack of knowledge of the real nature of
>>>events does not exist. It occurred near the end of the war. The USSR had
>>>advanced almost up to Germany. Italy and the African bases had been lost.
>>>The Nazis were on the run, with a number of key countries, such as Rumania,
>>>leaving the Axis. A second front was a matter of months away, as the western
>>>Allies prepared their forces. In the midst of all this we find Eichmann, the
>>>master bureaucrat of industrial murder, setting up is HQ in occupied
>>>Budapest, after the German takeover of the country in April 1944. His first
>>>act was to have a conference with the Jewish leadership, and to appoint
>>>Zionist Federation members, headed by Kastner, as the agent and clearing
>>>house for all Jews in their relationship with the SS and Nazi authorities.
>>>Why they did this is not difficult to see. As opposed to Poland, where its
>>>three and half million Jews lived in ghettoes and were visible different
>>>from the rest of the Polish population, the Hungarian Jews were in
>>>integrated part of the community. The middle class was mainly Jewish, the
>>>Jews were mainly middle class. They enjoyed freedom of travel, served in the
>>>Hungarian (fascist) army in frontline units, as officers and soldiers, their
>>>names were Hungarian – how was Eichmann to find them if they were to be
>>>exterminated ? The task was not easy, there were a million Jews in Hungary,
>>>most of them resident, the rest being refugees from other countries. Many
>>>had heard about the fate of Jews elsewhere, and were unlikely to believe any
>>>statements by Nazi officials.
>>>
>>>Like elsewhere, the only people who had the information and the ear of the
>>>frightened Jewish population were the Judenrat. In this case the Judenrat
>>>comprised mainly the Zionist Federation members. Without their help the SS,
>>>with 19 officers and less than 90 men, plus a few hundred Hungarian police,
>>>could not have collected and controlled a million Jews, when they did not
>>>even know their whereabouts. Kastner and the others were left under no
>>>illusions. Eichmann told Joel Brand, one of the members of Kastner’s
>>>committee, that he intended to send all Hungary’s Jews to Auschwitz, before
>>>he even started the expulsions! He told them clearly that all these Jews
>>>will die, 12,000 a day, unless certain conditions were met.
>>>
>>>The Committee faced a simple choice – to tell the Jews of Hungary about
>>>their fate, (with neutral Rumania, where many could escape, being in most
>>>cases a few hours away) or to collaborate with the Nazis by assisting in the
>>>concentration process. What would not have been believed when coming from
>>>the SS, sounded quite plausible when coming from the mouths of the Zionist
>>>leadership. Thus it is, that most of the Hungarian Jews went quietly to
>>>their death, assured by their leadership that they were sent to work camps.
>>>
>>>To be sure, there are thirty pieces of silver in this narrative of
>>>destruction: the trains of ‘prominents’ which Eichmann promised to Kastner –
>>>a promise he kept to the last detail. For Eichmann it was a bargain:
>>>allowing 1,680 Jews to survive, as the price paid for the silent
>>>collaboration over the death of almost a million Jews.
>>>
>>>There was no way in which the Jews of Hungary could even be located, not to
>>>say murdered, without the full collaboration of Kastner and his few friends.
>>>No doubt the SS would hunt a few Jews here and there, but the scale of the
>>>operation would have been minuscule compared to the half million who died in
>>>Auschwitz.
>>>
>>>It is important to realise that Kastner was not an aberration, like say
>>>Rumkovky in Lodz. Kastner acted as a result of his strongly held Zionist
>>>convictions. His actions were a logical outcome of earlier positions. This
>>>is instanced when he exposed to the Gestapo the existence of a British cell
>>>of saboteurs, Palgi and Senesh, and persuaded them to give themselves up, so
>>>as not to disrupt his operations. At no point during his trial or elsewhere,
>>>did Kastner deny that he knew exactly what was to happen to those Jews.
>>>
>>>To conclude, the role played by Zionists in this period, was connected to
>>>another role they could, and should have played, that of alarming the whole
>>>world to what was happening in Europe. They had the information, but
>>>politically it was contrary to their priorities. The priorities were, and
>>>still are, quite simple: All that furthers the Zionist enterprise in
>>>Palestine is followed, whatever the price. The lives of individuals, Jews
>>>and non-Jews, are secondary. If this process requires dealing with fascists,
>>>Nazis and other assorted dictatorial regimes across the world, so be it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>You’ll find more at: http://www.alquds.org/palestine/
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Subject: McVay/NIZKOR/NAZIKOR SWINDLE EVEN JEWS – TAX FRAUD!!!
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>On 24 Nov 1998 00:38:44 GMT, [email protected] (Kenneth McVay
>SOBC) wanted to write in English the following:
>>>>Notice that the gas station employee,according to an interview a week
>>>>ago in local papers, McVay refuses to answer the questions.
>>>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>>>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, [email protected] (Michael )
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger
>>
>>>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nothing new here.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won’t Answer!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>>>> answer??
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>>>>>> http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>>>>
>>>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won’t Answer is:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997 00:14:06 GMT
>>>>>>> >From: Doctor detroit ([email protected])
>>>>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> > 1) What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>>>>
>>>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy’s case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> > 2) What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>>>>> > letters?
>>>>>
>>>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> > 3) What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> > 4) What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>>>>
>>>>>Probably written on McGoy’s forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>>>Brith’s butt.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>>>>
>>>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> > 5) What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> > 6) Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>>>>
>>>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> > 7) What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>>>>> > solicit tax free contributions?
>>>>>
>>>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone “contributes” more than $10 that Bnai
>>>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>>>Canadian dollars.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>>>>> >OyVey???
>>>>>
>>>>>It’s a reasonable assumption.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism [email protected]
>>>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >Check this out!
>>>>>
>>>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken’s “Big Lie”
>>>>>letter just ask.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>>>>> >of B’nai Brith Canada …with the cheque’s memo including “Nizkor
>>>>>>> >Project”. ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation – Nizkor Fund
>>>>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>>>>> >Excite Search—Search: “nizkor”
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >”From B’nai Brith’s 1996 ‘Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents’:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The League is working closely
>>>>>>> >with Ken McVay’s Nizkor Project (https://nizkor.org) through the
>>>>>>> >”Holocaust and Hope” program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic. The creation of a
>>>>>>> >B’nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office.”
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>>>>> >promote Jewish interests.
>>>>>
>>>>>That is putting it “lightly”.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >If any of them are White Americans then they
>>>>>>> >are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>>>>>> >American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>>>>>
>>>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky’s book “By Way of
>>>>>Deception”. Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>>>>>> >nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with ‘loan’ grants or
>>>>>>> >even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>>>>>> >dramatizations.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>>>>>> >their way into White America’s good nature and generousity.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >NO MORE! The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>>>>>> >interest immediately, and the Nizkor abomination should be shut down
>>>>>>> >and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
>>>>
>>>>>[email protected]
>>>>>”http://www.natall.com”
>>>>>”http://www.natvan.com”
>>>>>
>>>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>>>Hillsboro, WV 24946
>>>>>
>>>>>”No man has come to true greatness who has not felt
>>>>>in some degree that his life belongs to his race.”
>>>>>
>>>>> —-Phillips Brooks
>>>>>
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On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:48:44 +0800, KenSiko
forged, but wanted to reply to the following:
>> I am useless nazi scum with no life, that is why I leave all these posts.
On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:07:24 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:38:31, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On 3 Jul 1998 06:38:05 GMT,
>Orest Slepokura
>…fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
> Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews…
>Here is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.
>The Kastner Case
>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>involving a Jew – Rudolf Kastner.
>
>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
>are generally under the impression that there is some ‘controversy’
>about negotiations he undertook for ‘the purchase of Jewish lives for
>money and military equipment’, but that he was ‘fully rehabilitated’
>by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>
> The Accusations
>
>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>
>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>Herald, he wrote:
>
>I am a Jew. In spite of that – indeed because of that – I accuse
>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>
>This group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
>silence.
>
>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
>Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz – the
>number is still on my arm – I compiled careful statistics of the
>exterminations.
>
>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
>was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
>Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>chambers…Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, ‘I know of your
>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.’
>
>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>bargaining end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars.
>With this little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine…(Ben
>Hecht, Perfidy, pp261-2)
>
>These accusations are confirmed by the ‘Eichmann Confessions’
>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>
>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>elsewhere…In obedience to Himmler’s directive I now concentrated on
>negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest…Among
>them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from
>resisting deportation – and even keep order in the collection camps –
>if I could close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young
>Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>
>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was
>not too high for me.
>
>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>
>Dr. Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel…
>
>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>goal ‘You can have the others’, he would say, ‘but let me have this
>group here’. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by
>helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups
>escape. After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand
>or so Jews…That was the ‘gentleman’s agreement’ I had with Kastner
>(Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>
>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to ‘the purchase
>of Jewish lives for money and military equipment’.
>
>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>
>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
>prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
>Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
>the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>
> The Verdict
>
>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>panel of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel’s District Court
>of Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>
>The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>studied carefully.
>
>The masses of Jews from Hungary’s ghettos obediently boarded the
>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>confidence in the false information that they were being transferred
>to Kenyermeze.
>
>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>
>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
>mislead the Jews.
>
>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>of Jewish leaders.
>
>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>spreading such false information and did not protest.
>
>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local ‘rescue work’.
>
>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>hampering the deportation orders.
>
>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to
>overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
>activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>
>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>
>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
>leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>deportations…these same leaders did not join the people of their
>community in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
>Rescue train.
>
>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
>The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
>they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
>will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
>Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into collaboration with
>the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>
>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>
>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>task easier.
>
>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>chiefs
>.
>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>underground.
>
>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the
>S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>
>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>the extermination plan of the killers ?
>
>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner’s Rescue
>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary – their total
>annihilation.
>
>The Nazi’s patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
>Jews.
>
>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
>a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
>that would also justify his conduct – his political negotiation with
>Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>
>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>soul to the German Satan.
>
>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of
>the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents,
>whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the
>great majority or Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death,
>on the other hand.
>
>An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
>was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
>the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
>fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
>the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
>already been wiped out from the book of the living.
>
>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner’s collaboration and
>put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
>not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
>the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
>chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>
>All of Kastner’s answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>to evade this truth.
>
>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted
>quickly to another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case
>124/53; Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court,
>Jerusalem, June 22,1955).
>
>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>’new line’ of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>
>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the ‘new line’
>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>
>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>Jews.
>
>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>’rescue’ work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>of Kastner’s involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>criminals.
>
>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>
>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>Kastner’s duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the
>S.S.
>
>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>
>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler”.
>
>Judge Halevi continues:
>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>when he denied he had interceded in Becher’s behalf. Moreover, he
>concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
>of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>
>As to the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, it was enough for the
>defense to provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
>prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
>negate the affidavit.
>
>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>criminal.
>
>The lies in the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, the lies in his
>testimony concerning the document, and Kastner’s knowing participation
>in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
>last minute fake rescue activities – all these combine to show one
>overwhelming truth – that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>
>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>declared in the affidavit.
>
>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>and no good faith in Kastner’s testimony, ‘I never doubted for one
>moment the good intention of good Becher’.
>
>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
>the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
>were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
>there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
>criminal. Kastner’s affidavit in favor of Becher was a wilfully false
>affidavit given in favor of a war
>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>
>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>his statements.”
>
>Judge Halevi’s verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
>unproved accusation – that Kastner had actually collected money from
>his Nazi
>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli
>pounds as court costs.
>
>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>pointed to much more than that.
>
>But the story does not end there.
>
>The Reaction
>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha’am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>
>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder” (23 June
>1955)
>
>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>Government of Israel.
>
>As the evening paper *Yedi’ot Aharonot* said:
>
>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>political and national collapse – as a result of what such a trial may
>disclose.” (23 June 1955)
>
>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
>criminal libel.
>
>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed – an
>appeal filed.
>
>What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
>such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>
>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>was defending Kastner so strongly:
>
>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>National Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I
>come here in this court to defend the representative of our national
>institutions.”(Hecht, p. 268)
>
>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner’s collaboration
>was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>leadership.
>
>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>But the story gets worse.
>
>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>the name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
>this point Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not
>’fully rehabilitated’.
>
>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>court – that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
>take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
>’fully rehabilitated’.
>
>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>these facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
>two, found that Kastner’s actions were morally justifiable and
>convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
>’collaboration’.
>
>Kastner’s actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
>that prove conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>
>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>Kastner. They joined him.
>
>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>Chesin:
>
>….What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
>the end of their journey…Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
>saying, ‘The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
>tree’. This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another
>witness about the Hungarian Jews, ‘This was a big Jewish community in
>Hungary, without any ideological Jewish backbone’ (Moshe Shweiger, a
>Kastner aide in Budapest, protocol 465).
>
>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, ‘The
>Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
>with force against the deportation scheme’…From this point of view
>no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
>news to the Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on
>can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>
>….And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
>result from his great despair because of the helplessness of the
>Jewish community.
>
>Even then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration
>and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
>that Kastner’s efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
>scale…And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
>very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
>knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
>save a few Jews from Hell – this is still no proof that he stained his
>hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
>their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>
>Even if, through these activities of his – or rather, his omission –
>the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
>question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
>a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
>should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
>awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
>although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
>many or should he disclose
>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>everybody will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good
>will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to perish?…As I
>said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings of the learned
>President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to
>me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as of necessity,
>demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>
>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
>leadership both from a moral and public point of view…
>
>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
>extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
>Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
>gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
>what was known to them and did not warn
>and did not cry out of the coming danger….
>
>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
>Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
>people in Hungary during the last war.” (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>
>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner’s contempt for the
>Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
>exactly what many other Zionist leaders and half-leaders did –
>concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
>Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
>Zionist ‘leaders’ boarded a different train for Palestine.
>
>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>Silberg:
>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
>have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
>dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
>judgements on the guilt of others….
>
>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>an opinion….’Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
>ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
>he, as a result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret
>of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
>of the few – therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
>accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
>extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
>result.’
>
>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
>the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
>emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
>had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
>thousands would have been able
>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom
>money, bribery,etc. – and when this is the case and when one deals
>with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human being, a mortal,
>reject with complete certainty and with an extreme ‘no’ the efficiency
>of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he examine the tens of
>thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead of God?
>Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>as his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
>to a claim of such good faith…
>
>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
>will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
>as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
>the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>
>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
>rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>
>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
>make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
>his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
>many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
>escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
>these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
>proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
>claim that Kastner had concealed the
>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>resisting the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness
>and activity. Anyway, such a claim is not convincing…
>
>We can sum up with three facts:
>
>A. That the Nazis didn’t want to have a great revolt – nor small
>revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination machine
>working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner
>from the best source – from Eichmann himself – And he had additional
>proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading
>tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of
>occupation.
>
>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with – or
>the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>murder. This fact is known to every man and one does not need any
>proof of evidence for this.
>
>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>
>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner…He who is capable of
>rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
>great war criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his
>eyes…I couldn’t base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
>been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
>of events it throws retroactive
>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>conclusion.”(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>
>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
>have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
>advocate collaboration with the Nazis.
>
>But Judge Silberg’s judgement was that of a minority.
>
>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>
>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>
>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
>to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
>and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>
>Becher has even used his certification as a ‘good’ SS officer to give
>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>West Germany.
>
>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>pressure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>fear of what might come out.
>
>Likewise, none of Kastner’s associates on the Zionist Relief and
>Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
>on trial .
>
>Let alone the hundreds of ‘prominents’ who helped Kastner to reassure
>the Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not
>Auschwitz, in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them
>eventually to Palestine.
>
>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
>leadership in Palestine. He is ‘now dead’. Or putting it less
>delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeev Eckstein – immediately
>after the appeal hearings were concluded, and before the judgement
>’rehabilitating’ him was delivered.
>
>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>of the Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another
>’fantastic allegation’ no doubt; but admitted in court during the
>murder trial).
>
>
>sven88
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On 1 Jul 1998 18:48:11 GMT, [email protected] (Billy Bob
Throckmorton) wrote:
>In article
>[email protected] says…
>>In article <[email protected]>, Scott “beat you to a
>>bloody pulp” Bradbury, hiding behind his “Billy Bob Throckmorton” sock
>>puppet, wrote:
>
>>>Gort McFee commented:
>>>>>>Gee, I don’t see Ken defending homosexuality there, Doc-Scott. He
>>>>>>seems to be defending tolerance. Is that what has your knickers in a
>>>>>>knot?
>
>>>What does the word “homophobe” make reference to then?
>
>>It makes reference to a person who fears homosexuals — you, for instance.
>>
>>Where in the passage cited, O Gutless One, does Ken McVay make any
>>reference to homosexual sex? And if he doesn’t refer to it, how, exactly,
>>can he be defending it? We’re _still_ waiting for the answers to those
>>questions…
>
>He does not have to mention homosexual sex in order to defend it. I never
>said that he mentioned homosexual sex. This is your ruse to divert attention
>that Gay McVay urges tolerance toward a “community” that engages in such
>practices. If you want tolerance for a group of people that practice such
>then you would also tolerate their acts would you not? If it weren’t for
>their practices then the subject of tolerance wouldn’t be an issue would it?
>What is so hard about this concept?
>It is about the same as people that say they are pro-choice; they avoid
>saying they are pro-abortion but they approve of the practice. You liberals
>are the ones that like to play tricks with meanings of words. I have no
>doubt in my mind that you, McVay and the rest of your ilk approve of the
>homosexual community and their activity! Care to deny this now?
>
>>> […deletia…]
>
>Quit deleting the original text if you wish to make argument.
>Here is McVay unedited:
>
>http://x12.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=365864512
>Subject: Dear Nizkor….
>From: [email protected] (Kenneth McVay OBC)
>Date: 1998/06/25
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>[Notice that the Nizkooks in their apologia for homosexual acts seek
>to make homos into heroes! Notice also they totally deleted Goldberg’s
>original questions as well.
>Here is the link to Goldberg’s post that all these homo-apologist
>seek to avoid: http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=365721680
>7/1/98 Tavish]
>
>In article <[email protected]>,
>Electric Zen
>
>[deranged bonehead displays homophobia, Ken Lewis responds]
>
>Notice how another ‘revisionist’, unable to support his arguments with
>facts, resorts to teenaged sexual comments. Were all of you maroons
>cloned from the same defective brain cell?
>
>That would certainly explain why they don’t have more than a single
>functioning neuron between them, would it not?
>
>This discussion reminds me – Saturday, June 28, is Pride Day. There
>will be a massive parade in Toronto and other cities. Folks who would
>like to stand up and be counted for tolerance should attend. Last
>year, about a million spectators lined the Toronto route.
>
>(The Phelps Clan should probably stay home – they don’t know the
>meaning of tolerance.)
>
>A sobering reminder: During the past ten years, one half of Canada’s
>arts community has died of AIDS. _Half_ – Dancers, actors, artists of
>all sorts. Such a loss cannot help but have a devastating impact upon
>our cultural life, and homophobic cheap shots don’t remove this very
>sad reality.
>
>”Revisionist” my Aunt Tildy. These twits wouldn’t know a revisionist
>if he bit them in their nether regions.
>
>The Nizkor Project———————–https://nizkor.org
>Ken McVay, Director. https://nizkor.org/~kmcvay
>
> ———-END———-
>
>>>>Where in the passage above, O Gutless One, does Ken McVay make any
>>>>reference to homosexual sex? (That _is_ the ‘what they do’ you’re
>>>>referring to, isn’t it?) And if he doesn’t refer to it, how, exactly, can
>>>>he be defending it?
>
>I answered the stupid questions above the requoting of Ken McVay’s obvious
>apologia for homosexuals and the acts that get them termed as homosexuals.
>
>>>How is AIDS spread and why did McVay use the word “homophobe?”
>
>>Notice that Poor Ol’ Gutless Scottie still hasn’t explained where in the
>>referenced passage Ken McVay refers to homosexual sex, nor how Mr. McVay
>>can be ‘defending’ something he didn’t mention.
>
>It has been explained repeatedly and the lurkers have gotten the point. It
>is you that seeks to do damage control and diversion. Won’t work!
>
>>> […deletia…]
>>
>>>Notice that half have died of AIDS and the word homophobic used?
>
>>Notice that Poor Ol’ Gutless Scottie still hasn’t explained where in the
>>referenced passage Ken McVay refers to homosexual sex, nor how Mr. McVay
>>can be ‘defending’ something he didn’t mention.
>
>Where was it ever claimed that Ken McVay mentioned homosexual sex? I made no
>such claim. It is you making the claim that I made the claim! I have
>maintained that he makes apologia for a “community” that obviously engages
>in such acts. They aren’t called homosexuals for any other reason Georg and
>you look extremely agenda concious and stupid to keep up this current ruse!
>
>>> […deletia…]
>>
>>>>>If Gay McVay
>>>>>believes so much in tolerance then why doesn’t he appreciate the right
>>>>>to free speech and stop showing intolerance toward others.
>>>>>Ernst Zundel for instance.
>
>>>>When and where, exactly, has Ken McVay stated that Ernst Zundel should
>>>>not have the right of free speech?
>
>>>His group snipes at Zundel and others like him all the time.
>
>>When and where, exactly, has Ken McVay stated that Ernst Zundel should not
>>have the right of free speech?
>
>Any attention paid to McVay’s activities and his allegiance to B’Nai B’rith
>will show how he aggresively seeks to silence the opposition using what he
>calls “hate speech” laws existent in Canada.
>
>Just use the following key words at DejaNews:
>ZUNDEL McVAY FREE SPEECH and you will see much!
>or do a search on GROSVENOR McVAY FREE SPEECH
>and you will find such gems as:
>
>
>http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=315519835
>Subject: Re: Free Speech
>From: [email protected] (Kenneth McVay OBC)
>Date: 1998/01/13
>
>In article <[email protected]>,
>Sheila Paterson
>
>[snip]
>
>>Everyone has the right to free speech no matter how obnoxious,
>>offensive, fascist or boring. What one doesn’t have is the right to
>>keep someone from speaking.
>
>Although many here would argue the point, the statements above are not
>correct for Canada, which does not have the protection of the American
>First Amendment.
>
>In short, in accordance with recent Supreme Court of Canada findings,
>there are acceptable abridgments to Canadian Charter rights to free
>speech.
>
><
>
> —–END OF ARTICLE——
>
>http://x7.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=342508652
>
>http://x3.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=340569637
>Subject: Supreme Court upholds defamatory libel law
>From: [email protected] (Kenneth McVay OBC)
>
>>>You just don’t pay attention. They want Zundel in prison for mere words!
>
>>Note that Poor Ol’ Gutless Scottie is repeating his non-answer.
>>
>>When and where has Nizkor stated they ‘want Zundel in prison’, O Gutless
>>One?
>
>http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=157567242
>Subject: Ernst Zundel, threat to Canada’s national security?
>From: [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC)
>
>>McVay on CBC:
>>”I did at that time approve [of] Canadian actions against Zundel against
>>Keegstra, ah it was sort of a gut reaction because they offended me so
>>deeply I said good shut them up put them in jail do what ever it takes,
>>…no free speech.”
>
>Care to deny the above now Georg? DejaNews is filled with such!
>I’ll bet that you really approve of Socialist Canada’s “free speech”
>too.
>
> Billy Bob
>>JGB
One must wonder, did faggot Oyvay get fired from the US military for
being a child molester?
Is that why nazikor so strongly defended the Synagogue Cantor in
Halifax, convicted of distributing KIDDIE PORN?
Is Oyvay also under investigation by Interpol, for being involved in
kiddie porn??
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On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:57:19 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Nov 1998 00:41:06 -0800, wawrzek
>wrote:
>>Most people do not want to believe this, as much as they did not want to believe
>>Clinton lied. They think of the Jew as righteous and as chosen. I have dealt with
>>Jews for many years, and I can tell you that they are capable of ANYTHING.
>>Believe me, I have seen them do things that the average person would not believe. And
>>in each and every case, it was for the buck. The true God of Jews is the Almighty
>>dollar and I defy anyone to dispute that.
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:39:30 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>> >Another JEW Rabbi in NY state has been caught dealing drugs – this
>>> >time inside a prison!!!
>
>>> >Rabbi Eli Gottesman,a chaplain at a federal medium security prison at
>>> >Ray Brook, NY got caught with a large bottle filled with sealed
>>> >balloons of cocaine and marijuana.
>>> >
>>> >He is a former head of the “who’s Who in canadian Jewry”, and has been
>>> >a chaplain of the year named by the NY Board of rabbis.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:52:54 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>It seems that JEWS are not satisfied with having murdered Jesus
>>> >>Christ.
>>> >
>>> >>Now some of them are involved, even from synagogues, in the DRUGS
>>> >>business.
>>> >>On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:10:26 -0800, in alt.revisionism
>>> >>[email protected] (Michael A. Hoffman II) wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>>Michael A. Hoffman II comments: Why didn’t these two Orthodox Hasidic
>>> >>>(Bobover sect) rabbis enjoy the usual rabbinic immunity from arrest for
>>> >>>their crimes? Could it be that their mantle of protection was removed by
>>> >>>the more powerful Reform and Conservative Jews in America with whom they
>>> >>>are at war in occupied Palestine over issues pertaining to modernity and
>>> >>>conversion? Is this a warning to the Orthodox to back off from their
>>> >>>assaults on Reform and Orthodox Jews? For more go to:
>>> >>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>> >——————————————————————————
>>> >2 Rabbis Charged With Money Laundering
>>> >
>>> >By ROBERT D. McFADDEN NY Times June 17, 1997
>>> >
>>> >NEW YORK — A dozen men, including two identified as Orthodox Jewish
>>> >rabbis, were charged by federal authorities Monday with conspiring to
>>> >launder and hide $1.75 million in drug profits for Colombian
>>> >narcotics dealers by routing the cash through the bank accounts of a
>>> >synagogue and a yeshiva in Brooklyn.
>>> >
>>> >The bizarre case, federal prosecutors in Brooklyn said, brought
>>> >together a collection of strange bedfellows — five New York
>>> >representatives of Colombian drug traffickers, three go-betweens who
>>> >purportedly transported cash in suitcase quantities, and four men with
>>> >ties to a close-knit Jewish community.
>>> >
>>> > At one point, the officials charged, the rabbis ran tens of millions
>>> >of dollars in drug profits through the bank accounts of a relatively
>>> >modest Borough Park synagogue and provided nearly $3.5 million from
>>> >American and Swiss accounts for the purchase of an aircraft for the
>>> >Colombian drug lords.
>>> >
>>> >”Money launderers are the indispensable partners of major drug
>>> >traffickers, and the cynical act of using religious institutions to
>>> >conceal drug proceeds is particularly reprehensible,” said Zachary
>>> >Carter, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of New York, in
>>> >announcing the charges.
>>> >
>>> >Seven defendants, including Rabbi Mahir Reiss, 47, of 3543 Bedford
>>> >Ave., and Rabbi Bernard Grunfeld, 64, of 1417 46th St., both in
>>> >Brooklyn, were arrested Monday and were arraigned late in the day
>>> >before U.S. Magistrate Judge Roanne L. Mann, charged with conspiracy
>>> >to launder money. Two suspects, Grunfeld and Israel Knobloch, 24, of
>>> >5200 15th Ave., Brooklyn, also were charged with conspiring to avoid
>>> >federal cash-transaction reporting requirements.
>>> >
>>> >Six defendants were held without bail, and one, Abraham Reiss, 48, of
>>> >320 Riverside Drive in Manhattan, a brother of Mahir Reiss, was
>>> >released on $750,000 bail. Three other men named in the federal
>>> >complaint were listed as fugitives, and two more were being held in
>>> >custody elsewhere in New York in other cases, according to Lee Dunst,
>>> >the assistant federal attorney prosecuting the case.
>>> >
>>> >Unveiling a three-year undercover investigation that used
>>> >court-authorize wiretaps and other surveillance, the federal complaint
>>> >charged that the two rabbis and Abraham Reiss laundered $750,000 by
>>> >taking cash from go-betweens, depositing it in the bank accounts of a
>>> >synagogue-based organization and, after subtracting commissions,
>>> >writing checks to drug traffickers.
>>> >
>>> >Investigators said the bank accounts used in the scheme, held in the
>>> >name of Chaim Shel Shulem, which shares quarters with Congregation
>>> >Eitz Chaim at 1577 48th St. in Borough Park, held deposits of more
>>> >than $19 million during the 10-month period when the laundering
>>> >transactions occurred, between August 1995 and May 1996.
>>> >
>>> >Grunfeld, listed as the president of Chaim Shel Shulem, was said to
>>> >have written all the checks that went to the drug traffickers. He and
>>> >Knobloch were also accused of concealing the movement of $1 million in
>>> >drug money by making 95 deposits and withdrawals of just under $10,000
>>> >– the amount that triggers a government cash-transaction reporting
>>> >requirement — through the bank accounts of Congregation Eitz Chaim
>>> >and Bobover Yeshiva, at the same location.
>>> >
>>> >The defendants made no statements in court Monday. While Grunfeld was
>>> >listed by prosecutors as the head of Chaim Shel Shulem, dozens of
>>> >people at Congregation Eitz Chaim late Monday declined to say anything
>>> >about him or the case. Some seemed not to recognize the name Chaim
>>> >Shel Shulem.
>>> >
>>> >The synagogue and yeshiva are in a five-story building with a brick
>>> >front and a small awning imprinted with the institution’s name in
>>> >Hebrew. The only words in English on the facade call it “the Katz
>>> >Family of Mexico Building.”
>>> >
>>> >In a ground-floor, two-room school lined with books, about 100 people
>>> >were studying at tables. A man who appeared to be in charge, but who
>>> >would not give his name, said he knew nothing about the two rabbis
>>> >named in the federal complaint.
>>> >
>>> >The federal investigation — an undertaking of the U.S. Attorney’s
>>> >Office, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Internal Revenue Service
>>> >– began in 1994, when agents detected a pattern of cash deposits and
>>> >withdrawals intended to circumvent the government’s reporting rules in
>>> >various bank accounts held in the name of the synagogue and yeshiva,
>>> >officials said.
>>> >
>>> >With court-authorized telephone wiretaps, surveillance and other
>>> >techniques, the investigators said they uncovered a conspiracy in
>>> >which Grunfeld and Knobloch eventually made more than $1 million in
>>> >deposits and withdrawals — transactions, they said, that let the
>>> >conspirators move large sums of illicit drug profits.
>>> >
>>> >Later, in 1995 and 1996, investigators said, the 12 men named in
>>> >Monday’s complaint conducted a full money-laundering operation. Five
>>> >of them — Lisandro Montes De Oca, 29; Francisco Gil, 30; Estenio
>>> >Rodriguez, 30; Juan Suarez, 39, and Alvaro Duque, 36 –were said to
>>> >have brought in large sums that Colombian drug dealers wanted to
>>> >launder.
>>> >
>>> >The money was given to three men described as intermediaries — Jack
>>> >Pinski, 35, a Colombian who is a fugitive, and Roberto Buendia, 40,
>>> >and Fabio Arana, both of Medford, N.Y. They were said to have counted
>>> >and stashed the money at an apartment at 243 West 75th St.
>>> >
>>> >There, prosecutors said, Abraham Reiss picked up the money. It was
>>> >later deposited in various accounts held in the name of Chaim Shel
>>> >Shulem.
>>> >
>>> >Grunfeld, the organization’s president, signed checks that were made
>>> >out to “entities in accordance with drug traffickers’ instructions,”
>>> >the federal complaint said.
>>> >
>>> >Those instructions were communicated through Rabbi Reiss, who had no
>>> >formal connections to Chaim Shel Shulem, investigators said.
>>> >Commissions of 13 percent to 15 percent were deducted from the
>>> >laundered money and divided among the intermediaries.
>>> >
>>> >Prosecutors said they did not know how members of a deeply religious
>>> >community came into contact with professional money launderers and
>>> >drug traffickers. But they charged that in 1994, Rabbis Reiss and
>>> >Grunfeld, and Abraham Reiss arranged $3.4 million in financing to buy
>>> >a Beech Super King aircraft, a type commonly used by drug smugglers.
>>> >================================================================================
>>> >The Campaign for Radical Truth in History: http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>> >——————————————————————————–
>>> > News Bureau and Archives Online
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Subject: Jew police zyd. Ordnungdienst-JEWS HELPED NAZIS!!!
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>On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:33:28 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:44:20 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>Another significant article that merits discussion!!!
>>>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:15:13 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>>>
>>>>dddddddddd
>>>>below, Hermie’s cyberthrash
>>>>————-
>>>>md
>
>>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>>> PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> More Pawlikowski apologies for Nazi behavior!
>>>>> > ============
>>>>> > Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>>>>> > Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>>>>> > the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>>>>> > occupation of Poland. The only reason for this question at this time
>>>>> > seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered. Provacatively, Dr.
>>>>> > Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>>>>> > draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>>>>> > after the war? Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>>>>> > why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres.
>>>>> > Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>>>>> > hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>>>>> > grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk). He admitted
>>>>> > that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem. However,
>>>>> > young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>>>>> > afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>>>>> > find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>>>>> > presently in Lithuania.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>>>>> > occupation was dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>>>>> > were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei.
>>>>> > They were ususally not armed,
>>>>>
>>>>> Pawlikowski will have you believe that the German occupation police in
>>>>> Minsk were unarmed!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> > and when armed never given more than five
>>>>> > bullets for their long rifles. Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>>>>> > (as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>>>>> > each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>>>>> > the genocide.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hardly truth to Pawlikowski’s story too.
>>>>>
>>>>> > On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>>>>> > service was completely voluntary. It was called Ordnungdienst. Their
>>>>> > emblem was a light alloy Star of David. The social background of these
>>>>> > Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>>>>> > post-graduate degrees, 60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>>>>> > education. These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>>>>> > Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>>>>> > of his book. In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>>>>> > journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>>>>> > from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>>>>> > closed.
>>>>>
>>>>> The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>>>>> longer or die now!
>>>>>
>>>>> Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>>>>> ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next “relocation”!
>>>>> > While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>>>>> > intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>>>>> > description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>>>>> > Lodz. German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>>>>> > Wisenthal Museum in LA. Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>>>>> > three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>>>>> > Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>>>>> > the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ————-
>>>>> > Jozef Pawlikowski
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>>>>> > graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki. We found
>>>>> > ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>>>>> > dozens of other places. Why you shrink from searching for your
>>>>> > ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>>>>> >
>>>>> Does there any normal healthy human being want to see the corpses of
>>>>> your loved ones excavated? Maybe Pawlikowski would enjoy watching the
>>>>> bones of his or her mother exhumed to count the bones as they demand of
>>>>> other people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Herman
>>>>> > ————
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:57:37 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2
>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.
>>
>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>sensitive site.
>>
>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>groups.
>>
>>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests and must be resolved as
>>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are beginning to be perceived
>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,” she added.
>>
>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>site inevitable.
>>
>>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>>
>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site.
>>
>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex.
>>
>>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>>
>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar.
>>
>>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>and nationalists.
>>
>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>forgotten.
>>
>>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>be removed.
>>>
>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated.
>>>
>>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the answer but the cross, all
>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>the-scene discussion.”
>>>
>>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, “But I don’t see any
>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>the moment.”
>>
>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>>
>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>>
>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>international funding, are on hold.
>>
>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently.
>>
>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the “Judenrampe,” the
>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign.
>>
>>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>concrete, the crematories.”
>>
>>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda.
>>
>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,” wiping out most of
>>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>>
>>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>>
>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>>
>>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland’s tiny
>>>Jewish community.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Subject: Jews reopen trade in white slaves
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On Sat, 09 Jan 1999 23:59:21 -0500, ipm
>iwraw wrote:
>> PROSTITUTION AND TRAFFICKING OF WOMEN OCCURS ALL OVER THE WORLD. IT IS AN
>> ORGANISED CRIME. WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE.
>> No country/race is more or less culpable. Do not focus on this as an issue
>> of race. It isn’t just Israel but Thailand,
>> India,Nepal,USA,Netherlands,Japan….everywhere.
>> Furthermore,women who are involved in the sex trade should not be punished
>> for it–that is what you suggest Israel should do?
>Jews have been prominant in the white slave trade for a long time:
>”The Jews in this particular sphere of activity far outnumbered all the other
>’dealers’…The Jewish trafficker in women is the most terrible of all
>profiteers of human vice; if the Jew could only be eliminated, the traffic in
>women would shrink, and would become comparatively insignificant.” (Jewish
>Chronicle, April 2, 1910).
>Why do you try to protect criminals? I know, because they are Jews.
On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:19:03 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sat, 09 May 1998 04:22:46 GMT, [email protected] (Lenny)
>wrote:
>>On Fri, 8 May 1998 18:51:08 -0400, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
>>
>>>On Mon, 4 May 1998, irgun1943 wrote:
>>
>>>> Dear Sir,
>>>> I sympathize with people being forced into prostitution.
>>>> However, your intent is to promote hatred of israel and the Jewish
>>>> people.
>>>> No one wants your women. No one needs your women.
>>>> They come illegally into Israel.
>>>> Why not whore for the Germans? Ukrainians are good at that.
>>>> irgun43
>
>>> Despite your professed sympathies, the rest of your statements don’t
>>> stand scrutiny. These women are imported illegaly into Israel because
>>> there is obviously a demand, market, there for young slavic shikse.
>>> There would not be the trafficking, if there were no demand.
>
>>> “They come illegally …” Well it appears that many arrive quite legally
>>> on promises/expectations of other work. Others are brought in, imported,
>>> illegaly.
>
>>> Israel is a country in which there are no laws prohibiting the buying
>>> and selling of human beings as merchandise.
>>> Also prostitution is legal in Israel, and although brothels are
>>> illegal, this law seems to be more honoured in the breach.
>>> The article did not single out Israel, however whereas in other countries
>>> these things are at least illegal, that doesn’t appear to be the case
>>> in Israel.
>>> Your last sentence is definitely a statement intended to promote hatred.
>
>> The jews have a long history in slave trading. They financed and
>>promoted the slavery of the negroes, which is now resulting in the
>>racial mess we now have in America. *( For info on the jewish
>>involvement in the negro slave trade go to the following web site
>>http://www.tiac.net/users/lhl/Jews_and_Slavery.html
>> Now the jews are turning their hooked noses toward the white Eastern
>>European women, it is no wonder , these parasites of humanity abused
>>these people under communism now they abuse them sexually. It is the
>>nature of these people to destroy, like a parasite destroys it’s host.
>> May the white people of the world wake up before it’s too late!
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Subject: Re: ((((( THE 6 MILLION HOAX )))))
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It seems that some of the jews, and their lackeys, just do not want
people to THINK!!!
On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:56:22 +0000, ASMarques
wrote:
>****** THE 6 MILLION CABALISTIC FIGURE ******
>
>The so-called “Holocaust” of 6 million Jews during the Second World War
>is a durable and pernicious myth. It’s more than that: it’s also a
>modern genuinely superstitious taboo for the “intellectually
>challenged”, the most successful and cynical historical hoax for power
>and money ever devised, and the worst menace to intellectual liberty and
>freedom of speech under the present pervasive cargo cult of nominal
>”Human Rights” that allow governments to suppress both Truth and Right,
>under the pretence of caring for so-called oppressed weak minorities
>that cannot stand being “offended” by the open debate of religious
>belief.
>
>The 6 million figure for the Jewish victims of the “Holocaust” was born
>out of war propaganda and religious need, with no statistical study at
>all being done, it was promoted as a dogma after the Nuremberg trials,
>it contradicts important population data, it was never verified, and any
>attempt at investigating it in a scientific way was and is reacted to as
>an attack on a religious dogma. The problem is difficult to present in
>its entirety, but in its general lines is as follows:
>
>**********
>1) Statistics and census for Jewish populations living in each country
>are difficult to take and present enormous variations, since “Jewish”,
>not being a purely national, cultural, religious or ethnic group
>classification, is nevertheless a mixture of all of those. To try to
>count with any semblance of precision the Jewish population of countries
>where Jews exist in great numbers is like trying to catch quicksilver.
>
>**********
>2) Figures are falsified with a view to increase the victimisation. For
>example, the figures in the World Almanach from the American Jewish
>Committee and the Jewish Statistical Bureau of the Synagogue Council of
>America showed in 1941, for the year 1939, an European population of
>8.939.608 Jews, and a World population of 15.748.091.
>
>But in 1949, the same source in the same publication, showed *for the
>same year of 1939*, for Europe 9.739.200, and for the World 16.643.120.
>That is, in 1949, 800.000 more Jews for the Europe of 1939 and 955.000
>more Jews for the World are suddenly discovered to have been forgotten
>in the previous counts. No explanation for this is furnished.
>
>Think about it:
>
>In 1941: population for 1939 is given as 8.939.608
>In 1949: population for 1939 is given as 9.739.200
>
>A sudden *retroactive* 8 % rise of the previous number of Jews in Europe
>for 1939! Why? What for?
>
>The 1941 statistic cited above, gave for 1933 the number of 9.494.363
>Jews in Europe, which implies the notion that at least 555.000 Jews had
>left Europe between 1933 and 1939, before any internment or
>”extermination”, i.e. that a mass emigration out of Europe was already
>taking place.
>
>**********
>3) This emigration continued in an even larger scale after 1945, and
>it’s certain that under the auspices of the U.N.R.R.A. great numbers of
>Jews left Europe, without being classified as Jews. A great deal is made
>out of the fact that the Jewish population of Poland dropped enormously
>during the War, but this is hardly news, since the German deportation of
>Polish Jews to the East was very thorough and the return of uprooted
>deportees to their ruined Eastern European dwelling places, back to
>strongly anti-semitic environments among such upheavals and mass
>dislocations as the War provoked, would have been very surprising.
>
>A typical recent example of this “nameless” emigration taking place even
>before the War, is the case of U.S. Secretary of State Madeline
>Allbright’s own parents: *after* a journalistic investigation, she
>suddenly discovered that her parents which had come from Czechoslovakia
>to the U.S.A. were in fact Czech Jews and her grandparents had died “at
>Auschwitz” (the media dixit).
>
>Newsweek (17 Feb., 1997) calls this an “extraordinary piece of personal
>news” and a “late-in-life revelation”. Those who will believe her
>parents had kept their being Jewish a secret *even* to their own
>daughter are welcome to do so, but anyway the fact that Mrs. Allbright’s
>family would not be on record as being Jewish in any statistics at all
>is the relevant part of the story. Please note the same magazine issue
>has editorials by other emigrants’ children who say they were equally
>surprised when they discovered their Jewish origin. They say “people
>have been having similar experiences for the last decade or so”, and
>those readers more familiar with probability calculation will admit that
>maybe, just maybe, the Secretary of State’s parents were not the only
>ones to have hidden their origin for their entire lives in their country
>of adoption, even though some doubts relative to their ability to keep
>this esoteric knowledge from their own sons and daughters will be quite
>understandable…
>
>**********
>4) The amazing calculations “Holocaust scholars” do, trying to get
>numbers as near the mandatory 6 million or so as possible, are nonsense
>stemming from the need to accommodate an a-priori fictional number of
>victims with any possible reality allowing for it, by calculating
>railroad schedules and movements, numbers of standing individuals per
>square inch in each imaginary gas chamber, numbers of magical cremations
>per minute, etc. The result is a jungle of contradictions in which
>everything is allowed but from which nothing at all comes with any
>degree of probability, much less certainty. They might as well count the
>proverbial angels dancing on the pinhead.
>
>The Encyclopaedia Britannica for 1957, for instance, says “about 2
>million people, Jewish for the major part, were exterminated between
>1941 and 1945” in Mauthausen (vol. 10, p. 288), but the 1986 edition,
>says “out of the probable 355.000 inmates passing through Mauthausen and
>its satellites, more than 122.000 died from execution or privation”. On
>the other hand, the same 1986 edition, attributes, with all the
>appearance of great precision, to the small transit camp of Sobibor —
>about which next to nothing is known (with good reason) except that it
>functioned for 16 months — “250.000 killed in five gas chambers”. No
>more, no less, but it still manages to assert categorically that “only
>about thirty people escaped”…
>
>These are in no way occasional isolated errors. Glaring contradictions
>and nonsensical estimates out of the blue are indeed the rule in every
>one of the most “serious” sources, at least as much as in the popular
>literature by true or false “survivors”. Every new effort on the part of
>”Holocaust scholars” — a new priesthood class for a new religion —
>tends to dissimulate this very fact at the core of every revisionist
>doubt, instead of helping to clear up the confusion and pointing out the
>inconsistencies, with a view to establish where the historical truth
>lies.
>
>Where silence, dissimulation and cover-up, rather than exposure and
>discussion, are the practice, censorship and liberticide repressive laws
>will be the result. This too can be seen, most notably in the European
>Union countries, Switzerland, Canada and other unfortunate places where
>no guarantee similar to the American 1st Amendment remotely exists, and
>a strange cargo cult of “Human Rights” makes it possible for fines and
>prison sentences to be imposed on historical investigators, whenever a
>privileged minority resents the truth as undesirable to its purposes and
>activates the pervasive “anti-hate” orwellian laws. “Hate speech” has
>become a true newspeak neologism meaning “speaking the truth on
>unpopular topics”, “anti-semit” now means little more than someone who
>is hated by Jews, and “neo-Nazi” is frequently used to point out anyone
>who thinks Nazism is dead and gone for good.
>
>As the Canadian “Human Rights” tribunal put it during the most recent
>instalment of the decades-long persecution of German Canadian citizen
>Ernst Zundel: “Truth constitutes no defence”.
>
>The same could be said to all those who have been censored, persecuted
>and jailed in France on “incorrect historiography” grounds thanks to the
>historically unprecedented Fabius-Gayssot law, like Robert Faurisson,
>Pierre Guillaume, Vincent Reynouard or muslim author Roger Garaudy.
>Hardly news either for Juergen Graf, imprisoned in the cuckoo-clock
>Confederation in spite of all the local Wilhelm Tell’s freedom loving
>nursery tales for grown-ups, or Pedro Varela, jailed for five years on
>account of selling books that doubted the “Holocaust” (in Spain, a crime
>equivalent to “genocide”) or the more than 8.000 political prisoners
>guilty of holding revisionist opinions in anti-nazi Germany where “human
>rights” worship requires jailing humans for crimespeak with the help of
>laws dating from the Nazi era.
>
>**********
>5) Auschwitz, the “factory of death” where the bulk of the so-called
>”Holocaust” racial extermination has been placed for decades, is, as
>should have been expected, the acme of the numerical pandemonium, and
>this heart of the “Holocaust” legend is truly emblematic of the whole
>hoax: it was 4.000.000 dead according to the camp monument in front of
>which Catholic Popes and German Chancellors crawled on all four, but
>recently that was changed to 1.500.000 and please don’t ask why. Is it
>really that simple?
>
>Here is a series of figures for Auschwitz, compiled by Robert Faurisson,
>just to let you feel how interestingly diverse total ignorance can be.
>Please check up the precise sources and important notes at:
>
>http://members.aol.com/ihrgreg/misc/auschwitz_deaths.html
>
>9,000,000 persons
>according to the documentary film Nuit et Brouillard (“Night and Fog”,
>1955), whose historical advisers were the historian Henri Michel and the
>woman historian Olga Wormser-Migot
>
>8,000,000 persons
>according to the French War Crime Research Office and the French War
>Crime Information Service (1945)
>
>7,000,000 persons
>according to Raphaël Feigelson (1945)
>
>6,000,000 Jews
>according to Tibère Kremer, writer of a foreword for Miklos Nyiszli
>(1951)
>
>5,000,000 to 5,500,000 persons
>according to Bernard Czardybon (1945), according to confessions
>attributed to some SS members and according to the newspaper Le Monde
>(1978), which was adding: “of whom 90% of Jews”
>
>4,500,000 persons
>according to Henryk Mandelbaum (1945)
>
>4,000,000 persons
>according to a Soviet document of which the Nuremberg tribunal took
>”judicial notice”. This figure was inscribed nineteen times, with a
>commentary in as many different languages, on the Auschwitz-Birkenau
>monument. It was repeated by a sizable number of persons, including the
>Polish historian Franciszek Piper. It was to be declared false in 1990
>and replaced, on the monument, in 1995, by the figure of 1,500,000 with
>the concurrence of the same F. Piper for whom this figure is a maximum
>while the minimum figure is of 1,100,000. According to Miriam Novitch
>(1967), of the 4,000,000 dead, 2,700,000 were Jewish. According to Rabbi
>Moshe Weiss (1991), more than 4,000,000 persons died at Auchwitz, of
>whom 3,000,000 were Jews
>
>3,500,000 persons
>according to the Dictionnaire de la langue française published by
>Hachette (1991). According to Claude Lanzmann (1980), there were
>3,500,000 gassed of whom 95% of Jews as well as many other deaths
>
>3,000,000 persons
>until December 1st, 1943, according to a confession extorted from Rudolf
>Höss, ex-Commander of Auschwitz
>
>3,000,000 Jews gassed
>according to David Susskind (1986) and according to Heritage, the most
>important Californian Jewish weekly (1993)
>
>2,500,000 persons
>according to Rudolf Vrba for the Eichmann trial (1961)
>
>2,000,000 (?) to 4,000,000 (?)
>according to the historian Yehuda Bauer (1982)
>
>2,000,000 to 3,000,000 Jews killed as well as thousands of non-Jews
>according to a confession attributed to an SS in charge, Pery Broad
>
>2,000,000 to 2,500,000 persons killed
>according to a confession attributed to an SS physician, Dr. Friedrich
>Entress (1945)
>
>2,000,000 persons
>according to the historian Léon Poliakov (1951); according to the
>historian Georges Wellers (1973) and according to the woman historian
>Lucy Davidowicz (1975)
>
>1,600,000 persons
>according to the historian Yehuda Bauer (1989), of whom 1,352,980 Jews
>(the latter figure is from Georges Wellers, 1983)
>
>1,500,000 persons
>this figure, chosen by Lech Walesa, replaced, in 1995, on the Birkenau
>monument, that of 4,000,000 which had been withdrawn in 1990
>
>1,471,595 persons
>of whom 1,352,980 Jews, according to the historian Georges Wellers
>(1983)
>
>1,250,000 persons or so
>of whom 1,000,000 Jews killed and more than 250,000 non-Jews dead,
>according to the historian Raul Hilberg
>
>1,100,000 to 1,500,000 persons
>according to the historians Yisrael Gutman, Michael Berenbaum and
>Franciszek Piper (1994)
>
>1,000,000 persons
>according to Jean-Claude Pressac (1989) and according to the
>Dictionnaire des noms propres published by Hachette (1992)
>
>800,000 to 900,000 persons
>according to the historian Gerald Reitlinger (1953)
>
>775,000 to 800,000 persons
>according to Jean-Claude Pressac (1993), of whom 630,000 were Jews
>gassed
>
>630,000 to 710,000 persons
>according to Jean-Claude Pressac (1994), of whom from 470,000 to 550,000
>were Jews gassed
>
>Please note that although in his “spontaneous” confession (with the help
>of “alcohol and the whip”, as he himself put it) camp Commandant Rudolf
>Hoess, the so-called “proud technician”, claimed 3.000.000, few
>apparently take notice or believe him…
>
>And we therefore reach the last generation of figures (no pun intended)
>with Jean-Claude Pressac who pointed out a figure of 775.000 in 1993.
>However, he lowered the total number to 630.000 victims — only “470.000
>to 550.000″ of which Jews — in 1994, on a particularly nice day when
>the sun shone and the little birds sang in his garden, and some other
>”scholars” apparently stopped talking to him.
>
>Of course, as soon as 08.01.1948, “Welt im Film” (British newsreel,
>nbr. 137) indicated 300.000, but more recently it was revealed that the
>mortuary books (Sterbebücher) which had been kept during the war by the
>Auschwitz camp authorities exist at least from 27.07.1941 to 31.12.1943.
>Since the camp was opened 20.05.1940 and evacuated 18.01.1945, that
>period represents a little more than half the duration of the camp’s
>existence under German authority. The books, as released after more than
>40 years, thanks in part to the Zundel trials of 1985 and 1988, appear
>to include approximately 69,000 names.
>
>How about the International Red Cross archives at Arolsen, always closed
>to revisionists? Can the archives of an organisation like the IRC be
>trusted, since neither individual “scholars” nor the media even appear
>to know what they are talking about? Here is the figure then
>(17.08.1994):
>
>– International Red Cross at Arolsen: 66.206
> Dept. of Holocaust investigations (Ref. nbr: 10824)
>
>Could this be nearer the truth than the figures involving millions for
>Auschwitz alone?
>
>After all, the “gas chamber” of Auschwitz-I has been acknowledged by the
>Auschwitz Museum curator and the French paper “Le Monde” (“everything is
>false about it”) to have been “rebuilt” after the War by the Soviets.
>What for, you ask? Well, for educational purposes, of course! The
>same as Dachau (near Munich) and Natzviler (near Strasbourg) where
>tourists are still shown the gas chambers of the Nuremberg trial era as
>the main attractions of the respective concentration camp luna-parks,
>complete with their “faked showerheads”, in spite of their acknowledged
>non-existence ever since the “gas chambers” collectively migrated to
>far-away Poland…
>
>As for the “gas chambers” of Auschwitz-II (i.e. Birkenau), they were
>simply the morgues (“Leichenkeller”) of the crematory buildings,
>identified as such in every document since the construction blueprints
>themselves, and clean of residual cyanide compounds — unlike the real
>non-homicidal gas chambers which clearly show the residual vestiges of
>the systematic anti-typhus delousing of clothes and other materials with
>Zyklon B, the commercial cyanide-based pesticide widely used not only in
>every camp to decrease the risk of epidemics in the pre-DDT days, but
>also in military barracks and industrial facilities ever since the 1920s
>(and still with us today through normal over-the-counter sale).
>
>You’ll find the story of the successive analysis and testing of the
>”gas-chambers” under the designations of “Leuchter”, “Rudolf” and
>”Lüftl” Reports through a fast search of the web. More related
>information will be found by searching for “Zundel trial”.
>
>So, which is it? Is it 9.000.000? Is it 66.206? Is it something in
>between? Is the matter totally irrelevant to the 6 million total? Is
>the gas chamber “Holocaust” a sinister joke played on us?
>
>The answer to the last question is an easy one and it should constitute
>good news to everyone concerned. Yes, you may rejoice; for the homicidal
>gas chambers are nothing more than a sinister joke.
>
>********
>6) In spite of all the unbelievable fluctuations, the magical figure of
>6 million is kept ever since Nuremberg, as if its calculation didn’t
>depend on any detailed study or any final sum of known partial figures,
>and its religious character has increased since then. Once one
>understands there is absolutely no global statistic *or* detailed study
>behind its permanent untouchable status since 1945, one can only
>attribute a symbolic anti-historical character to the 6 million dead and
>the 6 “extermination” camps. The reason for the number has everything to
>do with the religion of the 6-pointed star and its traditional
>propensity for numerical cabalisms, and nothing at all with any
>objective investigation.
>
>Here is one instance of the 6 million figure from 1919:
>http://members.aol.com/ihrgreg/documents/191031crucifixion.html
>
>**********
>7) As for the revisionist numbers — the only ones born of basic data
>instead of religious mumbo-jumbo — they are somewhat different and much
>more consistent. The *only* meticulous and detailed study, from the
>viewpoint of population statistics, ever done (and using Jewish
>originated data) — “The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry” by
>Walter Sanning — estimates in 3.500.000 the *total* number of Jews in
>the German sphere of influence for the duration of the War, and in
>2.400.000 the number of Jews alive at the end of the War in the
>countries previously occupied by Germany (with the exclusion of the
>USSR). His conclusions are confirmed by Carl Nordling — a Finnish
>demographer, using statistical inference methods applied to samples of
>known individual histories — and place the total of Jewish victims of
>the concentration camps at between 300.000 and 600.000. Sanning’s study
>was never contested with data of an equally statistical nature.
>
>**********
>8) Working, on the other hand, from various sources including mainly the
>secret reports of Richard Korherr (who had the post of “Inspector of
>Statistics for the Reichsfuehrer-SS”) to Himmler on the Jewish
>deportations, Stephen Challen reaches the following numbers: 1.200.000
>Jews dead in the whole of Europe during the War, 450.000 of whom in
>parts of European Russia not occupied by the Germans, and 750.000 in the
>area of German direct or indirect responsibility. Of 2.300.000 deported
>Jews, 360.000 died, and a total of 200.000 died in the concentration
>camps. He estimates the Jewish losses heavy and, in proportion,
>comparable to the German or Soviet ones, but no more than about 20 % of
>what is usually believed.
>
>**********
>9) Robert Faurisson — the best known French revisionist investigator —
>tentatively puts the figures as: a probable number in the order of
>1.000.000 dead for the Jewish total of War victims (in the order of the
>hundreds of thousands if we don’t count the Jews fighting in the Allied
>armies), and a number between 200.000 and 360.000 for the total of all
>dead in the concentration camps from 1934 to 1945.
>
>**********
>10) The true numbers of the “Holocaust” (on the order of the hundreds of
>thousands) are reconcilable with the terrible results of the most cruel
>War ever fought, including the tragedies of the concentration and labour
>camps where many died from epidemics and a wide variety of war related
>causes — but not with the myth of deliberate racial “extermination”.
>
>Why keeping the labour camps full of walking skeletons supposedly
>”starved on purpose” and quite unable to work, and why “provoking” or
>”allowing” epidemics that would put in risk the lives of the SS
>personnel themselves? Obviously those images in the public mind,
>arising from the unwarranted and uncontrollable conditions at the camp
>of Bergen-Belsen in 1945, were uncalled for results of a catastrophic
>War, not “extermination” by design.
>
>And the 6 million cabalistic number is no more than a pious myth.
>
>**************************************
>Bookmark the following URLs for an enormous wealth of information in
>several languages you won’t easily find anywhere else:
>
>http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/leaflets.html (excellent introduction)
>http://www.codoh.com/
>http://www.ihr.org/index.html
>http://members.aol.com/ihrgreg/index.html
>http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/index.html
>http://abbc.com/aaargh/
>http://www.vho.org/Home.html
>http://www.adam.com.au/fredadin/adins.html
>http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/
>http://www.air-photo.com/
>
From [email protected] Sat Jan 30 13:56:49 EST 1999
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Subject: Re: Bronfman JEWS Ordered by Court re $700 Millions Unpaid Taxes!!!
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On 7 Jan 1999 22:57:55 GMT, [email protected] (Kenneth McVay SOBC)
wanted to tell the truth but prefers to lie, so here is the real info:
On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 00:22:11 GMT, [email protected] (John Corman)
wrote:
>On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 05:44:21 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>Exactly. Let’s try to look at this from a different perspective. The
>>Bronfman family tried to circumvent $700 million from tax coffers. Whether
>>or not this is legal has yet to be decided by the courts.
>============================================================================
YES, it is completely true, as documented by the two news stories,
below.
>Is it true that 1)they circumvented paying that kind of money
and 2)
>that it’s before the courts?
YES, the swindle case has been before the Courts in Canada, and was
initially reported on 25 November 1997, as detailed below.
>It’s my understanding that it’s a done deal and not before the courts.
>Revenue Canada doesn’t particularly like it because the eventual taxes
>due when the various capital gains materialize may not be as easy to
>collect now that the trust is a non resident of Canada.
Presumably, Revenue Canada will have to seize other Bronfman assets in
Canada, such as Seagrams, etc.
Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
Further, Justice Muldoon ruled that Revenue Canada’s actions
“smells” of “grave maladministration” and favouritism.
Justice Muldoon also commented that Harris acted “on behalf
of all fellow taxpayers,except the favoured few.”
Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
the
Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
Further, Justice Muldoon ruled that Revenue Canada’s actions
“smells” of “grave maladministration” and favouritism.
Justice Muldoon also commented that Harris acted “on behalf
of all fellow taxpayers,except the favoured few.”
On 12 Apr 1998 22:36:43 -0700, [email protected] (Ken McVay)
wrote:
>In article
>>Canadian Press are reporting in Canada, that a Winnipeg taxpayer is in
>>Federal Court, concerning the illegal transfer of 2.2 BILLION by the
>>BRONFMAN JEWS!!!
Canadian Press are reporting in Canada, that a Winnipeg taxpayer is in
Federal Court, concerning the illegal transfer of 2.2 BILLION by the
BRONFMAN JEWS!!!
In fact Revenue Canada officials had decided 12 December 1991 that the
Bronfmans were supposed to pay their taxes on this money!!!
George Harris, according to CP, is claiming that the Auditor General
of Canada in May 1996, exposed the fact that the JEW Bronfmans did
not pay their taxes on the 2.2 Billion, thereby cheating the tax
department out of ” hundreds of millions of dollars”!!!
Harris is fighting for the rights of all non-JEW taxpayers on this
issue.
He is quoted as saying, according to CP:”He will be helping to sustain
public confidence in our income tax system, as well as the
administration of justice generally.”
Could it be that the goy-boy Oyvay finally got kicked out of NIZKOR,
since the Bnai Brith could no longer stand the heat of the
investigations for tax fraud?
Did the IRS and Revenue Canada taxation finally get fed up with the
multi-million dollar
FRAUD by OyVay??
Is that why the filthy pervert OyVay is now in hiding back in
Nanaimo???
Is OyVay back to being a “gas station attendant” for his living, or is
it again on welfare??
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Subject: Nazi-JEW Zionist collaboration – Rudolf Kastner
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On Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:34:38 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:48:04 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:09:51 -0800, “((((())))))”
>>
>>>The Kastner Case
>>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that involving
>>>a Jew – Rudolf Kastner.
>>>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have, are
>>>generally under the impression that there is some ‘controversy’ about
>>>negotiations he undertook for ‘the purchase of Jewish lives for money and
>>>military equipment’, but that he was ‘fully rehabilitated’ by the Supreme
>>>Court of Israel.
>>>
>>> The Accusations
>>>
>>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>>
>>>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British Medical
>>>Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz. In his
>>>memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:
>>>
>>>I am a Jew. In spite of that – indeed because of that – I accuse certain
>>>Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>>
>>>This group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>>>Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of silence.
>>>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all Jews
>>>in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz – the number is
>>>still on my arm – I compiled careful statistics of the exterminations.
>>>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was
>>>able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann
>>>planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers…Kastner went
>>>to Eichmann and told him, ‘I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>>>choice and I shall keep quiet.’
>>>
>>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and took
>>>him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid bargaining
>>>end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>>>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany
>>>collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine…(Ben Hecht, Perfidy,
>>>pp261-2)
>>>
>>>These accusations are confirmed by the ‘Eichmann Confessions’ published in
>>>Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>>
>>>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander stands
>>>100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation, I wanted
>>>to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere…In obedience to
>>>Himmler’s directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>>political officials in Budapest…Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a
>>>young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He
>>>agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation – and even keep
>>>order in the collection camps – if I could close my eyes and let a few
>>>hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine. It
>>>was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was not too
>>>high for me.
>>>
>>>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would smoke
>>>one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case and
>>>lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve he
>>>would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>>
>>>Dr. Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for a select group of
>>>Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel…
>>>
>>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a thousand
>>>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal ‘You can
>>>have the others’, he would say, ‘but let me have this group here’. And
>>>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation
>>>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews…That was the
>>>’gentleman’s agreement’ I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>>
>>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to ‘the purchase of
>>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment’.
>>>
>>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>>
>>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more than
>>>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>>>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>> The Verdict
>>>
>>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the panel
>>>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel’s District Court of
>>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953. The
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be studied
>>>carefully.
>>>
>>>The masses of Jews from Hungary’s ghettos obediently boarded the
>>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of confidence
>>>in the false information that they were being transferred to Kenyermeze.
>>>
>>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had they
>>>not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>>
>>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and others
>>>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the Jews.
>>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help of
>>>Jewish leaders.
>>>
>>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local leaders
>>>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were spreading
>>>such false information and did not protest.
>>>
>>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local ‘rescue work’.
>>>
>>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or hampering
>>>the deportation orders.
>>>
>>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few dozen
>>>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower these few
>>>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>>>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>>
>>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the Jews in
>>>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>>
>>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn their
>>>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders who
>>>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of deportations…these
>>>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride to
>>>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>>
>>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of extermination
>>>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in Budapest
>>>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this as a
>>>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured, dependent on
>>>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its fatal
>>>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish
>>>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>>
>>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in Jewry
>>>and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>>
>>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their task
>>>easier.
>>>
>>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>>chiefs.
>>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>>underground.
>>>
>>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the Nazis
>>>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S.
>>>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>>
>>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by these
>>>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the
>>>extermination plan of the killers ?
>>>
>>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner’s Rescue
>>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his friends
>>>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary – their total annihilation.
>>>
>>>The Nazi’s patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save six
>>>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed to him
>>>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a great
>>>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that would
>>>also justify his conduct – his political negotiation with Nazis and the
>>>Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>>
>>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his soul to
>>>the German Satan.
>>>
>>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in order
>>>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement between
>>>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation into
>>>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised
>>>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian Jews
>>>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative
>>>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that Kastner
>>>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp and
>>>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents and
>>>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out from
>>>the book of the living.
>>>
>>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner’s collaboration and put
>>>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not only
>>>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>>
>>>All of Kastner’s answers in his final testimony were a constant effort to
>>>evade this truth.
>>>
>>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the wall
>>>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly to
>>>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53;
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
>>>1955).
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the ‘new
>>>line’ of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>>
>>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the ‘new line’
>>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>>
>>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>>’rescue’ work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent of
>>>Kastner’s involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>>criminals.
>>>
>>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so Kastner
>>>also needed an alibi for himself.
>>>
>>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna. Kastner’s
>>>duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the S.S.
>>>
>>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department, the
>>>Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>>
>>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S. were
>>>coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler”.
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>>
>>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court when
>>>he denied he had interceded in Becher’s behalf. Moreover, he concealed the
>>>important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>>
>>>As to the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, it was enough for the defense to
>>>provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to remove
>>>Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>>
>>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>>criminal.
>>>
>>>The lies in the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, the lies in his testimony
>>>concerning the document, and Kastner’s knowing participation in the
>>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last minute
>>>fake rescue activities – all these combine to show one overwhelming truth –
>>>that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>>
>>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never stood up
>>>against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has declared in the
>>>affidavit.
>>>
>>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews but to
>>>serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth and no good
>>>faith in Kastner’s testimony, ‘I never doubted for one moment the good
>>>intention of good Becher’.
>>>
>>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in his
>>>own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World
>>>Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not exaggerate
>>>when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because of his personal
>>>intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the contradictions
>>>and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were sufficient to
>>>annul the value of his statements and to prove that there was no good faith
>>>in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal. Kastner’s affidavit
>>>in favor of Becher was a wilfully false affidavit given in favor of a war
>>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>>
>>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of his
>>>statements.”
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi’s verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of libel
>>>against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproved
>>>accusation – that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also ordered
>>>the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli pounds as
>>>court costs.
>>>
>>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial pointed to
>>>much more than that.
>>>
>>>But the story does not end there.
>>>
>>>The Reaction
>>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha’am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>>
>>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary know now
>>>clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder” (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>>Government of Israel.
>>>
>>>As the evening paper *Yedi’ot Aharonot* said:
>>>
>>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>>political and national collapse – as a result of what such a trial may
>>>disclose.” (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial, instead
>>>it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the government
>>>announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed – an appeal filed. What
>>>exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>>>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an appeal on
>>>a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>>
>>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General of
>>>Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel was
>>>defending Kastner so strongly:
>>>
>>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish National
>>>Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in
>>>this court to defend the representative of our national institutions.”
>>>(Hecht, p. 268)
>>>
>>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner’s collaboration was
>>>not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>>leadership.
>>>
>>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court. But
>>>the story gets worse.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in the
>>>name
>>>of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point
>>>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not ‘fully rehabilitated’.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower court –
>>>that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>>>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>>>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being ‘fully
>>>rehabilitated’.
>>>
>>>
>>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging these
>>>facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two, found
>>>that Kastner’s actions were morally justifiable and convicted Greenwald of
>>>criminal libel for calling this ‘collaboration’.
>>>
>>>Kastner’s actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is the
>>>defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that prove
>>>conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>>
>>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate Kastner.
>>>They joined him.
>>>
>>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>>Chesin:
>>>
>>>….What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in Kluj,
>>>people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the end of
>>>their journey…Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying, ‘The
>>>Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree’. This vivid
>>>description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>>>Hungarian Jews, ‘This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without any
>>>ideological Jewish backbone’ (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in Budapest,
>>>protocol 465).
>>>
>>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, ‘The Jews
>>>of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable, neither
>>>physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>>>against the deportation scheme’…From this point of view no rescue
>>>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to the
>>>Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on can properly
>>>conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>>
>>>….And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner when
>>>he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result from
>>>his great despair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community. Even
>>>then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration and
>>>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>>>Kastner’s efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale…And
>>>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and say
>>>that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>>>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few Jews
>>>from Hell – this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>>>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their plan to
>>>exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>>
>>>Even if, through these activities of his – or rather, his omission – the
>>>extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question is not
>>>whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>>>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>>>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting its
>>>doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of his
>>>efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he disclose
>>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way everybody
>>>will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the blood of
>>>the few bring if everybody is to perish?…As I said, I am not arguing with
>>>the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish District
>>>Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his
>>>findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the extermination
>>>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both from a
>>>moral and public point of view…
>>>
>>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people who
>>>boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination, one
>>>has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and Marton,
>>>and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an hour of
>>>crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not warn
>>>and did not cry out of the coming danger….
>>>
>>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District Court
>>>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>>>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in Hungary
>>>during the last war.” (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>>
>>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner’s contempt for the Hungarian
>>>Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what many
>>>other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did – concealing their knowledge of
>>>the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>>>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist ‘leaders’ boarded a different
>>>train for Palestine.
>>>
>>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>>>
>>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among the
>>>leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have a
>>>clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing here
>>>with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>>>guilt of others….
>>>
>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into an
>>>opinion….’Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray of
>>>hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>>>result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret of the
>>>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the few –
>>>therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of collaborating
>>>with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews, even though, in
>>>fact, he brought about its result.’
>>>
>>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive such
>>>an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in cooperation
>>>with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and without the
>>>knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the decisive
>>>consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from the
>>>testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of the
>>>Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been able
>>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings, concealment of
>>>children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money, bribery, etc. –
>>>and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds of
>>>thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty
>>>and with an extreme ‘no’ the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue
>>>ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he
>>>decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as
>>>his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to a
>>>claim of such good faith…
>>>
>>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people die
>>>so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will come
>>>out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an individual
>>>erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other patients. He
>>>is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>>
>>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with complete
>>>loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue operation
>>>could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>>
>>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which was
>>>put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then Kastner
>>>himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make this
>>>claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report to the
>>>Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in the
>>>countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>>>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue, and
>>>the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>>>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed the
>>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or resisting
>>>the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and activity.
>>>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing…
>>>
>>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>>
>>>A. That the Nazis didn’t want to have a great revolt – nor small revolts,
>>>and their passion was to have the extermination machine working
>>>smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner from
>>>the best source – from Eichmann himself – And he had additional proofs of
>>>that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics which
>>>were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>>>
>>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with – or the
>>>escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming murder.
>>>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
>>>evidence for this.
>>>
>>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire of
>>>the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>>
>>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner…He who is capable of rescuing
>>>this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great war
>>>criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his eyes…I couldn’t base
>>>the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it is
>>>attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws retroactive
>>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>>conclusion.”(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>>
>>>
>>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever their
>>>attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have been
>>>under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate collaboration
>>>with the Nazis.
>>>
>>>But Judge Silberg’s judgement was that of a minority.
>>>
>>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>>
>>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration with
>>>the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>>
>>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner gave
>>>on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to remain
>>>a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with an
>>>estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>>
>>>Becher has even used his certification as a ‘good’ SS officer to give
>>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in West
>>>Germany.
>>>
>>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with the
>>>Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only pressure
>>>that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for fear of what
>>>might come out.
>>>
>>>Likewise, none of Kastner’s associates on the Zionist Relief and Rescue
>>>Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on trial .
>>>Let alone the hundreds of ‘prominents’ who helped Kastner to reassure the
>>>Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz,
>>>in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them eventually to
>>>Palestine.
>>>
>>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did was
>>>approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership in
>>>Palestine. He is ‘now dead’. Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957
>>>he was shot by Zeev Eckstein – immediately after the appeal hearings were
>>>concluded, and before the judgement ‘rehabilitating’ him was delivered.
>>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the
>>>Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another ‘fantastic
>>>allegation’ no doubt; but admitted in court during the murder trial).
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On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 13:03:49 +0100, mike muth
to write:
On 4 Jan 1999 01:47:00 GMT, [email protected] (Alyvaryat) wrote:
>>What a savage, subhuman people!
Perhaps he was referring to the JEW murderers?
> Did your nation ever have to endure an artificial Famine at the hands of
>it’s occupiers as Ukraine had to endure at Russia’s hands? You cannot honestly
>tell me what levels you, your family, or “your people” would go to in order to
>survive. Self-preservation is a powerful driving force.
> Perhaps, since you feel you are able to judge an entire nation as
>”subhuman” and “savage”, you should go thru something like this and then tell
>those that survived Russia’s assault on Ukraine in 1932 thru 1933 that you
>never did those things…….
What is even surprising, is that the article was written by an honest
Jewish writer, well known in Canada for telling the truth.
On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:33:14 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On 14 Dec 1998 05:44:48, [email protected] wrote:
>>Reply-To:
>>From: “nikst”
>>Subject: THE TORONTO SUN: Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:47:59 +0300
>>THE TORONTO SUN, Sunday, December 13, 1998
>>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>>By ERIC MARGOLIS
>>Contributing Foreign Editor
>>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show
>>trial of that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet,
>>the 65th anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly
>>ignored. Leftists now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be
>>reminded of the Unknown Holocaust.
>>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in
>>Ukraine. Stalin determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent
>>farmers – called kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to
>>crush Ukraine’s growing spirit of nationalism.
>> Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed
>>terror and dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from
>>Moscow
>>- earlier versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian
>>peasants into collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began
>>selective executions of recalcitrant farmers.
>>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number,
>>OGPU was ordered to begin mass executions. But there were simply not
>>enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many people, so Stalin
>>decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of death – mass
>>starvation.
>>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were
>>confiscated from Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator
>>Mengistu Haile Mariam used the same method in the 1970s to force
>>collectivization: the resulting famine cased one million deaths.)
>>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail
>>lines. Nothing came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and
>>looted of food and fuel. Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger,
>>cold and sickness.
>>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent
>>henchman Lazar Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance.
>>Kaganovitch, the Soviet Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000
>>Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of all Ukrainian intellectuals were
>>executed. A Ukrainian party member named Nikita Khruschchev helped
>>supervise the slaughter.
>>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created
>>by Kaganovitch and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets,
>>boots and belts, plus bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant
>>children.
>>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s
>>custom-made famine and Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day.
>>The KGB’s archives, and recent work by Russian historians, show at
>>least seven million died. Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine
>>million, or higher. Twenty-five percent of Ukraine’s population was
>>exterminated.
>>Millions of victims
>>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot
>>during collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10
>>million peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in
>>Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in
>>the USSR; massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial
>>genocide accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20
>>million war dead.
>>Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were
>>Jewish. The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the
>>frightful crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine,
>>the Baltic states and Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame
>>the Jewish people for both communism and their suffering.
>When even a Jew writer admits the truth, perhaps Christmas is near??
>As a direct
>>result, during the subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the
>>region’s innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by
>>Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of
>>Europe’s Jews by the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger
>>holocaust in Ukraine has been suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s
>>genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler began the Jewish Holocaust,
>>and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before the world’s gaze. But
>>Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or concealed by a
>>left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day. In the
>>strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney
>>Webb and PM Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33
>>and proclaimed reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not
>>see one under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent
>>Walter Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting,
>>wrote claims of famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million
>>people were dying around them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New
>>York Times has never repudiated Duranty’s lies.
>>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological
>>and historical roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime –
>>the inevitable result of enforced social engineering and Marxist
>>theology.
>>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the
>>governments of Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the
>>Ukrainian genocide and Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they
>>eagerly welcomed him as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who
>>Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,” murdered four times more people
>>than Adolf Hitler.
>>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were
>>ever brought to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a
>>few years ago, still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and
>>enjoying a generous state pension.
>>Eric can be reached by e-mail at: [email protected].
>>Letters to the editor should be sent to: [email protected].
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On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:22:42 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>This story, documented by a well respected Jewish writer, was carried
>in many other newspapers across Canada.
>The Zionist murderers are angry that it was written by a Jew, to tell
>the TRUTH for a change!!!
>On 17 Dec 1998 08:05:54 GMT, “Koshercook”
>wrote:
>>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and
>>Still Hide It From Us…]
>>Archived for Scholarly Study
>>From the Toronto Sun – December 13, 1998
>>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor
>>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of
>>that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th
>>anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists
>>now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be reminded of the Unknown
>>Holocaust.
>>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin
>>determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent farmers – called
>>kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine’s
>>growing spirit of nationalism.
>>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
>>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow – earlier
>>versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into
>>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of
>>recalcitrant farmers.
>>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU
>>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many
>>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of
>>death – mass starvation.
>>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
>>Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used
>>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine
>>cased one million deaths.)
>>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing
>>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel.
>>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar
>>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet
>>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of
>>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named
>>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.
>>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch
>>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus
>>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.
>>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s custom-made famine and
>>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB’s archives, and
>>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died.
>>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five
>>percent of Ukraine’s population was exterminated. Millions of victims
>>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
>>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million
>>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia,
>>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR;
>>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide
>>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war
>>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
>>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes
>>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and
>>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both
>>communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent
>>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the
>>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s Jews by
>>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been
>>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler
>>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before
>>the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or
>>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day.
>>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM
>>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed
>>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not see one
>>under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent Walter
>>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of
>>famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million people were dying around
>>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated
>>Duranty’s lies.
>>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical
>>roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime – the inevitable
>>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of
>>Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian genocide and
>>Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him as an ally
>>during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,”
>>murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.
>>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought
>>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago,
>>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state
>>pension.
Even honest Jews are finally realising the truth about the genocides
of their compatriots!!!
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Subject: Re: Get IRS & Revenue Canada to Prosecute NIZKOR Tax Fraud
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On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:35:38 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>You know for years THE SPOTLIGHT has
>made much out of “the ADL is an
>unregistered agent of a foreign power”.
>
>If this is NOT the case, I would hope
>the AntiDefamation League would sue
>Willis Carto.
>
>If this IS the case, I would hope that
>all Americans get their hackles up
>and demand the ADL either follow the
>law or cease operating outside of Israel.
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:52:01 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>Notice that the gas station employee,according to an interview a week
>ago in local papers, McVay refuses to answer the questions.
>
>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>
>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>
>
>
>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, [email protected] (Michael )
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger
>
>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>
>>Nothing new here.
>>
>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>
>>Definitely not a charity.
>>
>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won’t Answer!!!!
>>
>>
>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>> answer??
>>
>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>
>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>
>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>
>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>> who can be reached at:
>>>> http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>
>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>
>>
>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>> [email protected]
>
>
>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won’t Answer is:
>>
>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997 00:14:06 GMT
>>>> >From: Doctor detroit ([email protected])
>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>
>>>> > Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>
>>>> > 1) What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>
>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy’s case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>
>>
>>>> > 2) What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>> > letters?
>>
>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>
>>
>>>> > 3) What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>
>>>> > 4) What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>
>>Probably written on McGoy’s forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>Brith’s butt.
>>
>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>
>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>
>>>> > 5) What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>
>>>> > 6) Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>
>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>
>>>> > 7) What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>> > solicit tax free contributions?
>>
>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone “contributes” more than $10 that Bnai
>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>Canadian dollars.
>>
>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>
>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>> >OyVey???
>>
>>It’s a reasonable assumption.
>>
>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>
>>
>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism [email protected]
>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>
>>>> >Check this out!
>>
>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken’s “Big Lie”
>>letter just ask.
>>
>>
>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>> >of B’nai Brith Canada …with the cheque’s memo including “Nizkor
>>>> >Project”. ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation – Nizkor Fund
>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>> >Excite Search—Search: “nizkor”
>>
>>>> >”From B’nai Brith’s 1996 ‘Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents’:
>>
>>>> The League is working closely
>>>> >with Ken McVay’s Nizkor Project (https://nizkor.org) through the
>>>> >”Holocaust and Hope” program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic. The creation of a
>>>> >B’nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office.”
>>
>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>
>>
>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>> >promote Jewish interests.
>>
>>That is putting it “lightly”.
>>
>>
>>>> >If any of them are White Americans then they
>>>> >are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>>> >American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>>
>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky’s book “By Way of
>>Deception”. Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>
>>
>>>> >The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>>> >nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with ‘loan’ grants or
>>>> >even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>>> >dramatizations.
>>
>>>> >Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>>> >their way into White America’s good nature and generousity.
>>
>>>> >NO MORE! The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>>> >interest immediately, and the Nizkor abomination should be shut down
>>>> >and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
>>
>>>> >You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
>
>>[email protected]
>>”http://www.natall.com”
>>”http://www.natvan.com”
>>
>>National Vanguard Books
>>P.O. Box 330
>>Hillsboro, WV 24946
>>
>>”No man has come to true greatness who has not felt
>>in some degree that his life belongs to his race.”
>>
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>>
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Subject: Zhirinovsky Blames Jews For WWII
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On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:13:42 GMT, NSWPP
>Zhirinovsky Blames Jews for WWII
>By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV
>..c The Associated Press
>MOSCOW (AP) – In his most direct anti-Semitic statements yet,
>ultranationalist Vladimir Zhirinovsky blamed Jews on Wednesday for
>starting World War II and provoking the Holocaust.
>
>The politician’s anti-Semitic comments have drawn international
>condemnation for years, but Wednesday’s remarks in an hourlong address
>to reporters were some of his least subtle.
>
>”The essence of the conflict around the Jewish people is that when
>their number grows too much in some country, war breaks out there,”
>said Zhirinovsky, who leads the third-largest faction in the Russian
>parliament’s lower house.
>
>”That happened in Germany … where there were too many Jews,” he
>declared.
>
>Zhirinovsky, a former presidential candidate, has a flamboyant style
>and clearly relishes making provocative statements.
>
>It was not clear why he called the news conference, which he turned
>into a monologue about his vision of the history of the Jews and their
>role in contemporary life.
>
>”Many Jews were born in April,” was the only explanation he
>provided.
>
>Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Los Angeles-based Simon
>Wiesenthal Center, said Zhirinovsky’s statement could also have been
>timed for the Jewish holiday of Passover, which begins Friday, or
>Holocaust Memorial Day on April 23.
>
>His allegation that Jews started World War II was not just “a slap in
>the face to the Jewish victims,” but also an appeal to strong
>emotions around the war effort, one of the few national undertakings
>of the Soviet era that remain sacred in today’s Russia, Cooper said.
>
>”He’s talking to a country that lost 20 million people in the Second
>World War,” he said.
>
>Cooper called on Russia’s political and Orthodox Church leaders “to
>put Zhirinovsky in his place” and reject his statements.
>
>Anti-Semitism is widespread in Russia, which has the third-largest
>Jewish population in the world, after the United States and Israel.
>Still, Zhirinovsky’s remarks were stronger than most ever aired
>publicly.
>
>While repeating several times that his party isn’t anti-Semitic,
>Zhirinovsky accused Jews of sparking the 1917 Bolshevik revolution and
>bringing Russia to ruin ever since.
>
>”You will always find Jews where war is raging, because they realize
>that money flows where blood is spilled,” he said.
>He repeated stereotypical slurs, and even accused the Jews of causing
>repressions and the Holocaust.
>
>”Jews themselves, Zionist leaders, often provoked anti-Jewish
>sentiments, and Jewish pogroms,” he said.
>
>He also accused Jews of taking Russian women abroad for prostitution,
>selling healthy Russian children and transplant organs to the West and
>robbing Russia of its gold, diamonds and other assets.
>
>
>
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Subject: Jews DID CONTROL Communism – documented by zhids
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On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:50:39 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>>On 23 Jun 1998 00:27:52 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Swan)
>>wrote:
>>>steve mock ([email protected]) wrote:
>>>: What you constantly fail to grasp, Tavish, is that no one is denying that there were people of Jewish ancestry among
>>>: the Bolsheviks, or even that there weren’t quite a few people of Jewish ancestry among the Bolsheviks. What you
>>>: completely and utterly fail to understand is how collossal the leap of logic is which you ask us to make from that fact
>>>: to the conclusion that Bolshevism is some kind of a Jewish plot for which Jews bear collective responsibility.
>>>Logical leap or not, this raises an interesting question: How
>>>can the overproportionate Jewish representation among the
>>>Bolsheviks be accounted for?
>>
>>Perhaps the following text may help answer your rhetorical question…
>>
>>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism – Don’t Deny It
>>From: [email protected] (Roger Hughes)
>>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation
>>
>>
>>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
>>
>> One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called
>>”Russian
>>Revolution” of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>>them, continue to condemn anyone as “anti-Semitic” who brings up these
>>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>>and lead revolutionary movement.
>>
>> First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism,
>>Karl Marx,
>>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father’s side.
>>Whether he was a “religous” Jew is of no significant importance, since
>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
>>
>> While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism,
>>will
>>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let’s see the them deny the
>>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables
>>that
>>passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
>>during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
>>quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
>>Archives:
>>
>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>>general in Moscow, Summers: “Jews prominant in local Soviet
>>government,
>>anti-Jewish feeling growing among population….”
>>
>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
>>July
>>5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: “Fifty percent of Soviet government
>>in
>>each town consists of Jews of the worst type.”
>>
>>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>>Montgomey Shuyler: “It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it’s
>>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
>>type.”
>>
>>
>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
>>reports
>>on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: “…(T)here were
>>384
>>`commissars’ including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
>>Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come
>>to
>>Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
>>Government.”
>>
>>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>>Bolshevik party’s executive secretary and – as chairman of the Central
>>Executive Committee – head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn),
>>foreign
>>affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld)
>>and
>>Moisei Uritsky.
>>
>>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: “The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care
>>little
>>for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
>>trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”
>>
>>The Netherlands’ ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>>”Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things.”
>>
>>
>>In case anyone thinks I’ve taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>>here’s three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik
>>Propaganda
>>Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
>>United States Senate, 65th Congress:
>>
>>”We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east
>>side
>>of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
>>Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased
>>that
>>there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
>>showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of
>>these
>>men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element
>>in
>>this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
>>more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
>>Jews…I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that
>>one
>>of its bases is found in the east side of New York…The latest
>>startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
>>startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the
>>northern
>>community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the
>>Soviet
>>regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
>>out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
>>exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
>>Gordon.
>>
>>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing
>>on
>>the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
>>often remarked to my sister, ‘Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
>>all looks so Yiddish.’ Up to that time we had see very few Jews,
>>because
>>there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in
>>Petrograd,
>>but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the
>>agitators
>>were Jews.
>>
>>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now
>>that
>>was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
>>did not take kindly to it.”
>>
>>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>>”anti-Semitic” and therefore unreliable, but they’d be wrong. Here’s a
>>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>>
>>”The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>>physical forces, become a reality all over the world.” (The American
>>Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
>>
>>”There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>>many of the highest ideals of Judaism.” (Jewish Chronicle, London
>>April,
>>4, 1919)
>>
>>”Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism.” (The American Bulletin,
>>Rabbi
>>S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>>
>>”In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>>the total population.” (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
>>
>>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>>so-called “anti-Semitism” a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>>himself:
>>
>>”National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
>>customs
>>characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
>>extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>cannibalism…under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
>>death
>>penalty.” (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>>
>>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>>virtually untouched.
>>
>>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920’s in one of the most vile
>>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, “Jews made up nearly 80
>>percent
>>of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,” reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
>>American professor of Russian history. . . ”
>>
>>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons
>>were
>>murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
>>directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
>>Communist bosses.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Roger Hughes
>>
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Towards a New Consciousness; a New Order; a New People
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> http://www.natall.com
>> http://www.natvan.com
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Roger’s Page http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
>> Keep It White Because You Know It’s Right!
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Abusive emails will be posted to the Usenet and ridiculed.
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
From [email protected] Sat Jan 30 13:56:51 EST 1999
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On Sat, 21 Nov 1998 01:45:01 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>In article
>> [email protected] (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> > And do not ever FORGET, that the communists were mainly damn JEWS!!!!
>>> Yes, the list is long….
>On Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:34:46 +0000, “Dickey Hard %=====> – $$$$”
>
>>(Heiden, Konrad. Der Fuehrer. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company. 1944.
>>pp. 1-18)
>>” … This much was true, that in 1897 in Basel the Jewish Nationalist
>>Movement of the Zionists was born. The goal of this group, to put it
>>simply,
>>was to lead the Jews back again to Palestine; to state it more exactly,
>>to create for those Jews who were leading an intolerable life of
>>oppression, especially in Russia, a ‘legally assured homestead’ in
>>Palestine. In order to disappear in that little corner on the eastern
>>shore of
>>the Mediterranean they had, as Theodor Herzi, the founder of the
>>movement, put it, ‘to make the Jewish problem … a question of world
>>politics … ”
>>”The real purpose of Holocaust revisionism is to make National Socialism
>>an acceptable political alternative again.”
>>On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 05:38:17 GMT, [email protected]
>>(Ken!!!) wrote:
>>>there are idiot jews and there are idiot anti-jews…
>>>what is scary is the number if idiots willing to listen to these 2
>>>factions of idiots and promote violence…
>>>On Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:11:56 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>Those who wish to support the Christkillers, the cursed JEWS, also
>>>>wish to rewrite history.
>>>>They do not want the present survivors around the world to remember
>>>>that 100 million have been killed in the last 80 years by the JEW-led
>>>>communists!! This is well documented in the recently released book in
>>>>France.
>>Quite apart from the more than 30 million people massacred by the
>>JEW-led soviets in the 1930’s in the Ukraine.
>
>
>From [email protected] Thu Nov 13 07:29:56 1997
>
>Subject: OyVay Admits JEW COMMUNISTS KILLED 100 MILLION PEOPLE!
>
>
>The key reason OyVay and NAZIKOR/NIZKOR refuse to discuss the 66
>Questions about the HOLOHOAX, is because they must hide the truth
>about the more than 100 MILLIONS the JEW-led communists have murdered,
>in less than 80 years!!!!
>
>
>On 12 Nov 1997 01:51:13 GMT, [email protected] (RWhita8200) wrote:
>
>>>Subject: COMMUNISTS KILLED 100 MILLION PEOPLE!
>>>From: [email protected] (ALAN GRIST)
>>>Date: Mon, Nov 10, 1997 18:15 EST
>
>>>French writers row over “communism killed l00m” claim
>>> FROM BEN MACINTYRE IN PARIS
>
>>>A BOOK by a team of French historians, described as the
>>>first global accounting of the victims of communism, has
>>>estimated that in this century Communist dictators, regimes
>>>and movements have been responsible for the deaths of
>>>up to 100 million people.
>
>>> The 850-page Black Book of Communism – Crimes, Terror
>>>and Repression, by 11 senior French researchers and
>>>published to coincide with yesterday’s 80th anniversary
>>>of the Bolshevik Revolution, has triggered a fresh ideologi-
>>>cal battle.
>
>>>The writers have come up with a final estimate that
>>>communism claimed about 65 million lives in China, 20
>>>million in the Soviet Union, two million in Cambodia, two
>>>million in North Korea, 1.7 Million in Africa, one million
>>>in Vietnam, one million in Eastern Europe and 150,000 in
>>>South America.
>
>>>In a polemical introduction, Stephane Courtois, the chief
>>>editor and co-ordinator of the project, argued that mass
>>>murder and terror have been central characteristics of com-
>>>munism. “The facts are stubborn,” he writes. “They show that
>>>the Communist regimes committed crimes against about 100 million
>>>people, compared to about 25 million for the Nazis.”
>>> Some of M Courtois’s fellow authors however, have taken
>>>issue both with his highly charged conclusions and with
>
>> But there’s no MONEY in these victims of Communism, so who cares?
>>
>>Bob Whitaker
>
>
>And do not ever FORGET, that the communists were mainly damn JEWS!!!!
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust- by JEWS!!!
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On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:58:47 -0500, Amazons
wrote
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:22:42 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>> >This story, documented by a well respected Jewish writer, was carried
>> >in many other newspapers across Canada.
>
>……….cut…………….
>>
>> >>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought
>> >>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago,
>> >>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state
>> >>pension.
>>
>> Even honest Jews are finally realising the truth about the genocides
>> of their compatriots!!!
>
>If we are going to blame the Jews for Ukraine’s Genocidal Famine, then
>shouldn’t the Georgians bear a little more than half of the blame since
>Stalin was an ethnic Georgian and sent Kaganovich to Ukraine to act as
>his henchman?
>
>But the real fact of the matter is that it was the Soviet Russian Regime
>and not “THE JEWS” who were responsible for the Genocidal Famine of
>millions of Ukrainians and the Soviet Russian Regime and its Evil Empire
>was *NOT* a Jewish regime, even though there were many Atheistic “Jews”
>in it, it was a Russian one!!!!
Glad to see you finally admit that it was the JEW Christkillers, such
as Kaganovich, who are responsible for the mass murders of more than
25 million Ukrainians.
That you allege that they were atheistic Jews does not detract from
the fact that it was JEWS who murdered all the Ukrainians, as
documented even by a Jewish author.
The article supporting both aspects, follows:
On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:22:42 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>This story, documented by a well respected Jewish writer, was carried
>in many other newspapers across Canada.
>The Zionist murderers are angry that it was written by a Jew, to tell
>the TRUTH for a change!!!
>On 17 Dec 1998 08:05:54 GMT, “Koshercook”
>wrote:
>>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and
>>Still Hide It From Us…]
>>Archived for Scholarly Study
>>From the Toronto Sun – December 13, 1998
>>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor
>>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of
>>that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th
>>anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists
>>now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be reminded of the Unknown
>>Holocaust.
>>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin
>>determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent farmers – called
>>kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine’s
>>growing spirit of nationalism.
>>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
>>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow – earlier
>>versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into
>>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of
>>recalcitrant farmers.
>>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU
>>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many
>>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of
>>death – mass starvation.
>>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
>>Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used
>>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine
>>cased one million deaths.)
>>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing
>>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel.
>>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar
>>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet
>>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of
>>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named
>>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.
>>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch
>>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus
>>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.
>>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s custom-made famine and
>>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB’s archives, and
>>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died.
>>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five
>>percent of Ukraine’s population was exterminated. Millions of victims
>>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
>>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million
>>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia,
>>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR;
>>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide
>>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war
>>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
>>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes
>>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and
>>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both
>>communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent
>>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the
>>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s Jews by
>>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been
>>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler
>>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before
>>the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or
>>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day.
>>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM
>>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed
>>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not see one
>>under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent Walter
>>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of
>>famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million people were dying around
>>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated
>>Duranty’s lies.
>>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical
>>roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime – the inevitable
>>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of
>>Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian genocide and
>>Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him as an ally
>>during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,”
>>murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.
>>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought
>>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago,
>>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state
>>pension.
Even honest Jews are finally realising the truth about the genocides
of their compatriots!!!
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Subject: Re: Nazi-JEW Zionist collaboration – Rudolf Kastner
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On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:09:07 -0500, Amazons
wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> >On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:48:04 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:09:51 -0800, “((((())))))”
>> >>
>> >>>The Kastner Case
>> >>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that involving
>> >>>a Jew – Rudolf Kastner.
>> >>>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have, are
>> >>>generally under the impression that there is some ‘controversy’ about
>> >>>negotiations he undertook for ‘the purchase of Jewish lives for money and
>
>
>Stop crossposting this off topic crap to soc.culture.ukrainian.
>
>Discuss it on the Jewish, Arab and German newsgroups if you want.
People in Ukraine are becoming aware, and concerned about the
connection between the zhids, communism, and the oppression and
murders of more than 25 million Ukrainians!!!!
Normal Ukrainians want to avoid a repetition of their slavery by the
zhids, as they suffered for more than 70 years!!!
On Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:34:38 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:48:04 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:09:51 -0800, “((((())))))”
>>
>>>The Kastner Case
>>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that involving
>>>a Jew – Rudolf Kastner.
>>>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have, are
>>>generally under the impression that there is some ‘controversy’ about
>>>negotiations he undertook for ‘the purchase of Jewish lives for money and
>>>military equipment’, but that he was ‘fully rehabilitated’ by the Supreme
>>>Court of Israel.
>>>
>>> The Accusations
>>>
>>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>>
>>>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British Medical
>>>Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz. In his
>>>memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:
>>>
>>>I am a Jew. In spite of that – indeed because of that – I accuse certain
>>>Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>>
>>>This group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>>>Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of silence.
>>>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all Jews
>>>in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz – the number is
>>>still on my arm – I compiled careful statistics of the exterminations.
>>>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was
>>>able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann
>>>planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers…Kastner went
>>>to Eichmann and told him, ‘I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>>>choice and I shall keep quiet.’
>>>
>>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and took
>>>him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid bargaining
>>>end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>>>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany
>>>collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine…(Ben Hecht, Perfidy,
>>>pp261-2)
>>>
>>>These accusations are confirmed by the ‘Eichmann Confessions’ published in
>>>Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>>
>>>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander stands
>>>100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation, I wanted
>>>to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere…In obedience to
>>>Himmler’s directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>>political officials in Budapest…Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a
>>>young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He
>>>agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation – and even keep
>>>order in the collection camps – if I could close my eyes and let a few
>>>hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine. It
>>>was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was not too
>>>high for me.
>>>
>>>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would smoke
>>>one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case and
>>>lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve he
>>>would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>>
>>>Dr. Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for a select group of
>>>Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel…
>>>
>>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a thousand
>>>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal ‘You can
>>>have the others’, he would say, ‘but let me have this group here’. And
>>>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation
>>>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews…That was the
>>>’gentleman’s agreement’ I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>>
>>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to ‘the purchase of
>>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment’.
>>>
>>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>>
>>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more than
>>>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>>>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>> The Verdict
>>>
>>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the panel
>>>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel’s District Court of
>>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953. The
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be studied
>>>carefully.
>>>
>>>The masses of Jews from Hungary’s ghettos obediently boarded the
>>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of confidence
>>>in the false information that they were being transferred to Kenyermeze.
>>>
>>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had they
>>>not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>>
>>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and others
>>>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the Jews.
>>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help of
>>>Jewish leaders.
>>>
>>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local leaders
>>>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were spreading
>>>such false information and did not protest.
>>>
>>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local ‘rescue work’.
>>>
>>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or hampering
>>>the deportation orders.
>>>
>>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few dozen
>>>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower these few
>>>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>>>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>>
>>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the Jews in
>>>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>>
>>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn their
>>>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders who
>>>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of deportations…these
>>>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride to
>>>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>>
>>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of extermination
>>>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in Budapest
>>>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this as a
>>>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured, dependent on
>>>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its fatal
>>>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish
>>>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>>
>>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in Jewry
>>>and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>>
>>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their task
>>>easier.
>>>
>>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>>chiefs.
>>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>>underground.
>>>
>>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the Nazis
>>>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S.
>>>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>>
>>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by these
>>>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the
>>>extermination plan of the killers ?
>>>
>>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner’s Rescue
>>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his friends
>>>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary – their total annihilation.
>>>
>>>The Nazi’s patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save six
>>>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed to him
>>>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a great
>>>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that would
>>>also justify his conduct – his political negotiation with Nazis and the
>>>Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>>
>>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his soul to
>>>the German Satan.
>>>
>>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in order
>>>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement between
>>>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation into
>>>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised
>>>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian Jews
>>>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative
>>>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that Kastner
>>>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp and
>>>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents and
>>>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out from
>>>the book of the living.
>>>
>>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner’s collaboration and put
>>>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not only
>>>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>>
>>>All of Kastner’s answers in his final testimony were a constant effort to
>>>evade this truth.
>>>
>>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the wall
>>>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly to
>>>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53;
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
>>>1955).
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the ‘new
>>>line’ of rescuing Jews was revealed by