Response to Leslie

In article [email protected],
[email protected], Leslie “Bucky” Griswold, Canada’s
representative of the Nazi “National Alliance,” tries his
best to deflect attention from questions he finds

>Ken, in your embarrassing, not to mention annoying, months on the ‘Net,
>you have shown yourself to be an arrogant little priss. Just to piss you
>off, I am posting yet again, several questions for you.

Fleas in the house piss me off;
mosquitos piss me off;
seeing animals mistreated pisses me off;
potholes in the road piss me off;
clearcut logging pisses me off;
diptheria pisses me off;
cable television pisses me off;
misused intelligence pisses me off;
you, however, do not.

>1) Do you get paid by the word, the kilobyte, or the megabyte?

I get paid by the MegaLeslie; the more you blather, the more I
get paid. The present rate is one mil per ML – not one
million, Bucky, but one MIL, which should provide some indication
of your real value to the world. (Ask someone with a mind to
explain a mil to you; ask them to use very small words.)

>2) Do your masters pay you a bonus when you come up with something
>particularly witty, or do you get just a flat rate?

I am, I assure you, my own master. As to how I am paid, see above.

>3) What, other than harrassment and spamming, is your purpose in
>periodically posting the “les-10-q” to at least FIVE newsgroups?

To demonstrate to the world, through archived copies
(DejaNews, etc.) and dogged persistance, that you are:

1. A liar,
2. A coward, and
3. A fraud

>4) What, other than an overinflated ego, makes you think that you are
>entitled to any response other than ridicule?

Your responses to date have been more than adequate, Bucky.

That you don’t understand the mechanics surprises me not at
all, but then, who cares what you do and do not understand?

The important thing is simply that you continue to respond in
exactly the manner you have to date.

>5) Does your Nizkweer site REALLY pay for retrieval of messages, and
>storage of same? Does Huber posting under different titles on different
>NGs really annoy you? So, for example, if I posted the _National
>Socialist Primer_ to several NGs, with different titles each time, since
>you archive EVERYTHING I write, would you then get dinged with
>mega-charges? What if a whole bunch of people started doing this?

Does Nizkor pay for its connection to the net? Yes, Bucky, it does,
just like everyone else. There ain’t no such thing as a free ride,

If a “whole bunch of people” started doing that, a “whole
bunch of people” would probably complain, and the first “whole
bunch of people” might find themselves searching for new ISPs.

No skin off my back either way… all of our Nizkor sites will
reserve lots of space for you and your friends, Leslie, I
promise you.

[Long list of questions Leslie has refused to answer for
over a year follows]

Mr. Griswold,

You have often, in your embarrassing months here on the net, made
statements which others have questioned. Strangely, however, you
rarely, if ever, provide _answers_ to those questions.

In the never-ending quest for reality, therefore, I have determined
to repeat these questions for you, in the hope that you will
eventually get around to answering them. (That is unlikely,
of course, since, as a leading Canadian “National Alliance”
member (Is Mr. Griswold _really_ the best the National
Alliance can come up with in Canada?), you don’t deal in
facts, but empty rhetoric.)

Question One [January, 1995]

(I have omitted the background data here, as this specific issue
is dealt with extensively in another regular post.*)

A. How many Natives were there on the North American
continent prior to the arrival of the white man?
B. How many are there now?

Question Two, v1.0 [April, 1995]
Question Two, v1.5 [December, 1995]

This question has been changed. The background text
remains the same, but the question itself has changed.

On April 3, 1995, you published the following assertions:

Liberals LOVE to go on about how “Whites beat Blacks too, so
let’s not hear about Black-on-White crime anymore!” As if a
few isolated incidents equal the undeclared race war that
the Black race is perpetrating on the White race! Just a
few facts:

1. A majority of people murdered by Blacks are not Black.

2. In 1988 there were ten cases of White men raping Black
(that’s 9,405) cases of Blacks raping White women.

3. White criminals attack Blacks only 2% of the time.

4. In 1985, there were 629,000 interracial attacks recorded
by the FBI. 90% were Black on White.

Gee, since Blacks only make up about 13% of the U.S.
population, one would expect that they only commit 13% of
the crime.

(Yeah, we really believe THAT one!) (Griswold, Black on Black)

When queried about the source for your statistics, you claimed it
to be “The FBI Uniform Crime Report,” (Griswold, Griswold makes
more claims) but, as more than one user pointed out, the FBI does
_not_ report arrest figures for interracial rape. (See, for
instance, Marty Kelly, who published the following…)

“So I took a look at Susan Brownmiller’s _Against Our Will: Men,
Women and Rape_ (New York, Simon & Schuster, 1975), one of the more
significant discussions of how discussions of rape get used
politically. I knew her 1970s statistics wouldn’t be generalizable
to this thread, but thought I might find some useful points. I
did. In her discussion of the thorny complications involved in
talking about rape and race, she mentions that “The FBI holds to a
firm policy of not reporting arrest figures for interracial rape”
(Brownmiller 214). …that policy still seems to be in effect.”
(Kelly, Griswold makes up…)

==> New text begins here

The OLD question, therefore, was this: (a) Where did you get your
statistics, and (b) why did you lie about them, since it is quite
clear that you did _not_ obtain them from the cited source?

The new question has its roots in an ongoing discussion with one
Mr. Jeffrey Brown, who made the following comment:

Which observations, Griswold? Observations like the 9,405
black-on-white rapes you claimed took place in 1988, for
which no documentation has ever been produced?
Observations of _that_ quality?

To your credit, Mr. Griswold, you admit “having been
proven wrong.” Alas, Mr. Griswold, you were gilding
the lily just a tad: the reality is that you were
admitting to the truth: that you had openly lied
about their source. We had suspected that you had
simply made them up from the beginning – April 3rd,
1995, and known you were lying on April 14. Your
long-delayed admission follows:

That’s really good, Brown. The fact is, NEGROES COMMIT
CRIME, and they commit crime far out of proportion to their
representation in the general population. Don’t wet
yourself over having proved me wrong on one stat; you may
have won the battle, but you are FAR from winning the war.
(Griswold, re: sickening)

The amended question, v1.5, therefore is:

Why did you wait 270 days before admitting you were a liar,
when it had been common knowledge for fully 259 days?

Question Three [March 1995]

The Jews are in the United States

In late March of 1995, in response to the following query from
Kevin Filan,

“Assuming the Holocaust was a “hoax,” where did all the Jews of
Poland and eastern Europe go?”

Your considered reply was: “The United States.” (Griswold, 6

Mr. Filan responded with the following:

“You obviously believe that the missing Jews of Eastern Europe are
now in New York and Miami Beach,” to which you replied:

“And you obviously believe that they aren’t.”

Mr. Filan then asked if you could provide evidence for your
assertion that the Jews had immigrated to the United States. Your
response appeared calculated to suggest that immigration statistics
would not provide evidence, since “Jew” was not a relevant

“Do you mean before or after “jew” was no longer a racial
classification, and jews called themselves as “German”, “Polish”,
“Hungarian”, etc., depending on their country of origin?”
(Griswold, 6 Million [2])

Mr. Filan then produced relevant immigration statistics from the
United States government. These statistics demonstrated that
approximately 480,000 people, of all races and national origins,
immigrated to the United States during the Nazi era, thus
demolishing your claim that the missing European Jews had all moved
to the United States. (Filan, 6 Million) The Jewish population of
Miami Beach, by the way, Mr. Griswold, is approximately 340,000.

Question #3, therefore, Mr. Griswold, is as follows:

Since it has been conclusively demonstrated that the missing
European Jews could not possibly have immigrated to the United
States, where did the Jews of Eastern Europe go?

Question Four [April 1995]

In early April of 1995, you made the following statement:

And you might want to keep a lid on that “human soap” shit –
no-one buys it anymore, not even hollow cause hucksters.
(Griswold, ADV)

In my reply ([email protected]), I asked you
the following question, and asked that you share your sources:

Does this mean, Mr. Griswold, that you, alone among scholars,
“revisionist” or no, have finally located the long-sought
refutation of the testimony of Mazur et al with regard to

To date, Mr. Griswold, you have failed to respond in any way, or,
of course, provide any source documentation for your assertion
regarding “human soap shit.” My question above, therefore,
constitutes Question #4.

You have not attempted to question the Stutthof experiments.

You have not attempted to discredit Mazur, or the others who
testified at Nuremberg. Instead, you elected silence, even in the
certain knowledge that it would make you appear even more foolish
than you have in the past – which is saying something.

Why is that, Mr. Griswold? Are you content to have the world regard
you as nothing more than a loud-mouthed, uneducated simpleton? (A
regard which, judging from your track record thus far, is richly
deserved, and utterly accurate.)

Question Five [June 1995]

In June of 1995, you made the astounding claim reproduced below:

Andy Walton ([email protected]) writes:

> In article ,
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:

>> It has everything to do with this or any other newsgroup on
>> politics. Oh, your favorite hero Adolf Hitler commited suicide
>> in case you had forgotton.

> Wartime propaganda. Hitler died fighting.

> Fighting whom? Are you saying that he didn’t die in the bunker,
> but on the front lines? Amazing that no one noticed him.

No, Raggedy Andy, he died fighting the Russians. Remember those
lovable, cuddly communist nice guys? They were swarming all over
Berlin in late April of 1945.

The question, Mr. Griswold, is this: What led you to this astounding
conclusion, given the documented history of Hitler’s suicide?

Question Six [June 1995]

In June of 1995, during a discussion in which you seemed to
support selective inbreeding, you made the following comment:

“… if you had been following the debate earlier, you’d realize that
inbreeding must be coupled with keeping undesirable specimens from
breeding. Of course, most libs had shrieking fits when they saw that.”
(Griswold, Incest)

I would ask, Mr. Griswold, that you define the term “undesirable
specimens,” and outline precisely how you would prevent them from

Question Seven [June 1995]

During a discussion with Andy Walton (Griswold, Tactics for Racial
Survival), you made the following comment:

“Like that LBJ was right to force White girls at bayonet point i
into a school with a Black student?”

Although many users responded by asking you to document the
claim that a white girl was forced, at bayonet point, “into
a school with a Black student,” you have failed to do so.
Question Seven, therefore, is this:

At what school did this event allegedly occur, and on what
day? In addition, can you cite specific newspaper reports
and/or published books which document this event?

Question Eight [June 1995]

In a classic example of Griswoldese, you made the following
statements in a discussion in alt.skinheads:

If a jewish kiddie is TAUGHT that it’s normal for the nice
bearded man to touch him/her on the naughty bits, then he/she
won’t REPORT it as sexual abuse, will he/she?

Anyway, what about the oral sex that all jewish boys are
submitted to by eight days of age when the _mohel_
circumcises them, then sucks the blood out of the wound,
with a mouthful of wine the whole time?

Please do enlighten your non-Jewish audience, Mr. Griswold,
by providing documentation for both assertions (that Jewish
children are _taught_ to submit to sexual abuse, and that
the mohel’s practice equates with oral sex).

Question Nine [August 1995]

In article , in response to a
continuing discussion between myself and Marc Lemire, during
which I stated:

“Mr. Lemire apparently has difficulty relating to Canada’s
legal system, as he continues to assert that the “Jewish
Armed Resistance” (an apparently non-existent, long-defunct
group) was responsible for the Zundel arson.”

You replied:

“Funny, that. A Revisionist gets his house torched by a party,
or parties, unknown, and you rush to their defense with ‘innocent
until proven guilty’. Yet, EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE of White on
non-White violence is a ‘neoNazi’ plot. Am I the only one who
smells ‘double standard’ around here?” (Griswold, McOyVay the

It would appear that your intent was to create the impression
that I and other users here believe, and state, that “every
single instance of white on non-white violence is a neo-nazi

The question, therefore, is this: What articles can you provide
that establish that either I, or others here, have expressed
this view?

Since it is clear that you cannot provide any such articles,
the second part of the question addresses your motivation:
Why have you lied about this matter?

Question Ten [August 1995]
On August 19, 1995, you surpassed even your own previous
performance levels with the following assertion:

The “Russian” Mafia is mostly jewish. (Griswold,

Please enlighten your vast audience of uneducated users
by telling us how you arrived at this conclusion, and do
remember to provide verifiable documentation… you might
also tell us if this statement represents the “official”
view of the National Alliance in Canada.

Question Eleven [Dec. 22, 1995]

Dawn Moline ([email protected]) made the following statement
in an article published on December 22, 1995:

“In WW2 Hitler experimented on Aryans as well as Jews.
In the well known death camps the jews survived Physical
and emotional truama uneqaled by any other human
experience. The amazing aspect of this was the great
number of survivors.”

To which you, Mr. Griswold, replied:

(Yes, the number of jews who claim to be survivors of
‘Natsee death camps’IS incredible.” (Griswold, A lot of

At that point, I asked you how many survivors there _were_,
and I gave you a head start by telling you that, of the
405,000 _registered_ prisoners at Auschwitz – that is, those
who were deemed fit to be worked to death as slaves – 65,000
of them survived the war.

I also advised you that I would add my question to this list
of questions you won’t answer, just so you would know that it
wasn’t going to go away.

How many survivors were there, Mr. Griswold?

Question 12

On April 28, 1996, you made the following comment as an
apparent attempt to discredit Jews:

“Losing one’s job, or for whatever reason, not being able to
make the mortgage/tax payments on one’s property, and having
those NICE PEOPLE at the (jewish-owned) banks foreclosing, with
the threat of legal action?” (Griswold, Robbie’s sig)

At that time, I responded by asking you the following
questions, which you, of course, have avoided answering:

1. How many banks are there in North America?
2. How many are privately held?
3. How many privately held banks are Jewish-owned?
4. How many are public corporations?
5. How many public banks are Jewish-owned or Jewish-controlled?
6. How many foreclosures, as a percentage of the total,
were made by non-Jewish-held banks in 1995?


One can, of course, only speculate as to why Mr. Griswold refuses
to address the questions so frequently asked of him. What is
clear, however, is that Mr. Griswold is afraid of open debate,
unafraid of inventing statistics to suit his racist, neo-nazi
agenda, and absolutely unconcerned about being clearly shown to be
both a liar and a fraud. (How fitting, therefore, that Mr.
Griswold should represent the “National Alliance” in Canada.
It would appear that the primary criteria for joining this
“party” include a proven track record of racism and lies.)

What a sterling example our Mr. Griswold provides for other
starry-eyed nazi wannabees…

* For the complete file on “the Native Population According to
Griswold,” see pub/people/g/griswold.les/natives at (Anonymous ftp users welcome.)

[CAUTION: 70 lines of bibliographic citations follow. Unless
you wish to verify the quotes above, break now and save
yourself some time :-)]

Work Cited

Filan, Kevin. UseNet alt.revisionism. Subject: “Re: 6 Million?
who cares?,” Apr. 10, 1995. Message-ID: [email protected]

Griswold, Les. UseNet alt.politics.nationalism.white,
alt.politics.white-power, Subject: “Black on Black crime? I think
not!,” April 3, 1995. Message-ID: [email protected]

————-. UseNet alt.politics.nationalism.white,
soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american. Subject:
“Re: ADV: Eugenics–The Only Way to a Better World,” Message-ID:
[email protected]

————-. UseNet alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white.
Subject: “Re: Griswold makes more claims – can he back them up?”
Apr. 10, 1995. Message-ID: [email protected]

————-. UseNet alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,
Subject: “Re: 6 Million? who cares?,” Mar. 30, 1995. Message-ID:
[email protected]

————-. UseNet alt.politics.white-power. Subject: “Re: i
Steve Garza and suicide,” June 3, 1995. Message-ID:
[email protected]

————-.UseNet alt.revisionism. Subject: “Re: 6 Million?
who cares?,” Apr. 10, 1995, Message-ID:
[email protected]

————-. UseNet alt.politics.nationalism.white. Subject: “Re:
Incest and polygyny,” June 7, 1995. Message-ID: D9tDDt.t2@freenet.

————-. UseNet alt.politics.white-power. Subject: “Re:
Tactics For Racial Survival,” June 7, 1995. Message-ID:
[email protected]

————-. UseNet alt.skinheads. Subject: “Re: Two Rabbis
Abuse 15-year-old Girl,” June 19, 1995. Message-ID:
[email protected]

————. UseNet alt.politics.nationalism.white,
August 6, 1995. Subject: “McOyVay the masochist! (was: >>>Lemire’s
Revisionist BS: The Lie”. Message-ID: [email protected]

————-. UseNet alt.politics.white-power. Subject: ”
Re: The lynch-pin question of Les’s world,” August 19, 1995,
Message-ID: [email protected]

————-. UseNet alt.politics.white-power, Subject: “A lot
of survivors (was: Genetics Aryan Vs. Jew),” Dec. 22, 1995,
Message-ID: [email protected]. Archived within

Kelly, Marty. UseNet alt.revisionism. Subject: “Re: Griswold
makes up rape stats,” April 14, 1995. Message-ID:
[email protected]

————-. UseNet alt.politics.white-power, Subject: “Re:
Sickening… (Are people so blind???),” December 19, 1995

————-. UseNet alt.politics.white-power, alt.politics.
nationalism.white,alt.discrimination, Subject: “Re: Robbie’s sig
(was: I may not be able to define art…),” April 28, 1996
Message-ID: [email protected]. Archived in URL

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