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Patr 5, Borowska Polin

Two Amici briefs were filed in the Sixth Circuit US Court of Appeals

1) some International Society of Jewish lawyers
2) by Polish Historical Society

Needless to say these were opposing briefs.

I will send you the copy of that brief 40 + page brief if you send me copy of the
video of Eichmann trial and list the “ten public libraries in [your ]Allentown PA
area which have IMT proceedings.

Polina

Ps I no longer have the Jewish brief just their application for leave.

You can also contact PHS at POB 8024 Stamford, CT 06905. They might have more
complete record.

The PHS amicus circulated widely among revisionists and holocasutians and was
discussed in the mainstream newspapers at the time of its submission. Of course, The
Polish Historical Society was called as a Nazi-group in these papers.

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> In several threads on sci.skeptic and alt.revisionism it has been claimed
> that the “Polish History Society” filed an Amicus brief in the John
> Demjanjuk case.
>
> The filing of such a brief requires an Order of Court and is always noted
> in the docket.
>
> A check of the relevant dockets shows that no application to file such a
> brief was ever filed in any case, that no Order was ever issued permitting
> the filing of such a brief, and that no such bried was ever filed.
> Moreover, all of the cases involving Demjanjuk were published and none
> indicated, as is standard practice, that such a brief was filed.
>
> Can you provide a citation for an Amicus brief filed by the “Polish
> Hisotry Society” or are the people who claim that such a brief exists,
> mistaked or dishonest.

> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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Guten Abend Dear Ted,
Occasionally you write logical and comprehensible postings and it is worthwhile to respond to
them. See, the end of the world is not near because some do not respond to your posts because
when warranted we do.

Your contra-argument about Israel is excellent. Still I think my theory is correct.
Diasporas start to be active when their homelands are in trouble.

Do you remember how active we were during the Solidarity era?? Or even during the more recent
flood of the century???

Israel is in perpetual danger and it is a perpatually welfare state or a beggar which can not
exist and will instantly collapse if the billions of $$$ and DM do not arrive on time. Every
Jew knows it.

Are you old enough to remember when the Arabs were totally feeble, backward and illiterate
that is during late 1940s and 1950’s and Israel was not afraid of them since soviets did not
support them, Jewish diaspora understood this situation and leisurly forgot about the
Holocaust.

With the conclusions of the Nuremberg Trials for years no one bothered to mention the
Holocaust or Auschwitz. You might say that the term of the Holocaust was invented during the
Eichmann trial and this is a good argument but the 4,000,000 dead at Auschwitz were proven in
this Court and I challenge you to find the term Auschwitz in the New York Times Index for
years 1946-1961.

But When the Soviets linked with Nasser and the security of the Israel became questionable
Jewish diaspora started to get active and went into overdrive after the Six Days War.

I am sure that while today most of us eats pierogi, dances Polkas and thinks how to cheat the
IRS (an all-American pass time) or each other, when the Russia gets stronger and the united
Germans start to reproduce and the sixt partition of Poland will loom (because we did not
link with Ukrainians) then our Diaspora will get active again

Greetings to all of you and God bless you,

Poolina

PS Incidentally dziendobry in Ukrainian is dobryjden’, zdrastwujte is in Russian.

Ted Pioro wrote:

> Dear “Polin”, zdrawstwujte:
> Following your way of thinking “independence creates a passivity” it should be
> said that Israelis fit in, but the truth is opposite for they are more active
> now than they were before gaining their independence. How can you explain this
> phenomenon and how you see the possibility of activating Ukrainian and Polish
> Diasporas?
> Sincerely – Ted Pioro with BUFFS as below and with doswidanja dlja tebja.
> —-
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Dobryj den’
>
> To tease you especially my Polish folk, to get attention and to push you
> into action, I greeted you in Ukrianian.
>
> For a holocaust revisionist historian an answer to the question posed below
> is simple.
>
> It will beome even more simple if I include in the list of active diasporas
> Ukrainians and Irishmen and Poles before the end of the WWI (First WW).
>
> Now I am sure you see, that diasporas are active only while their country
> lacks INDEPENDENCE.
>
> After the WWII Poland have had quasi and then full independence. There for
> all immigrants got involved in gettin more $$$ and more $$$ and do not dare
> to opose Jewish defamation because they are afraid of loosing $$$
>
> I am too busy to list prominents of the Irish, Ukrianian and Polish WW I
> diasporas.
>
> You readers do it and continue
>
> Why only Holocaust revisionist can come with the above answer : because we
> revisionist are not blinded by any myths and on the contrary we dehoax them
>
> Polina
>
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Before You criticize anybody, consider what did YOU personally (and
> > Polish emigration generally) did for Poland. IMHO Polish emigration
> > (and emigrations of other postcommunist countries except Baltic
> > countries) is only able to different kind of “preaching” but not to do
> > anything with any sense…
> > Only in Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia their disaporas were really
> > involved in changes and quite helpful. They even bacame ministers and
> > event presidents.
> > Why other disaporas are so bad?
> > cheers
> >
> > Klaudiusz
> > http://www.geocities.com/kwesolek/c-europe.html (Page doesn`t exist)
> >
> > ted pioro <[email protected]> wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/central-europe/?start=751
> > > Sz. Panie K. Wesolek (sorry – in Polish):
> > > No i kto jest winny, ze projekt o dekomunizacji nie przeszedl? Pan,
> > Panie
> > > Wesolek, bowiem za malo wlozyl wysilku dla wyjasnienia ludziom obludy
> > > komunizmu za ktora to oblude przelewali krew, o czym nizej w t.zw.
> > BUFFS:

> > > As if the above is not enough, read this:
> > >
> > > “The Communist soul is the soul of Judaism. Hence it follows, that
> > just as in
> > > the Russian revolution the triumph of Communism was the triumph of
> > Judaism, so
> > > also in the triumph of Fascism will triumph Judaism.” (A Program for
> > the Jews
> > > and Answer to All Anti-Semites, pages 143-144 by Rabbi Harry Waton,
> > New York,
> > > 1939). And on pages 36 and 37 he consequently wrote:
> > > “The communists are Marxists, bolshevists, internationalists, Jews,
> > enemies of
> > > the Aryans and their culture. Soviet Russia is ruled by Jews and
> > barbarians
> > > that are incapable of culture.This, then, is the first step in the
> > PROGRAM:
> > > the Jews must reconcile themselves with Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy
> > and
> > > fascism generally.”
> > >
> > > In this way Rabbi H. Waton has confirmed Hennecke Kardel’s claim that
> > the
> > > MEGA-HOLOCAUST had been caused by GENOCIDAL programming of Elders of
> > Zion
> > > (1903) accordingly with the Will of Jahve (read the Holy Bible/Torah).
> > > —
> > > One more source of knowledge should also not bother you:
> > >
> > > The U.S. Senator Daniel P. Moynihan in the Chapter “The Encounter with
> > > Communism” of his book SECRECY, New York, 1998, has revealed how
> > before 1917
> > > the communist Jews infiltrated U.S. Government and in 1933 this
> > climaxed in
> > > recognition of the murderous Soviet Union as a
> > > partner of the U.S.
> > > —-
> > > “Indeed, we [Jews] were at the leading edge of communist
> > totalitarianism, one
> > > of the most murderous movements of the 20th century.” — Barbara
> > Amiel,
> > > Maclean’s Magazine, September 27, 1999

> > > For more revelations look into the <http://www.jewsnotzionists.org>
> > !!!!
> > > —–
> > > “Klaudiusz Wesolek” <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > The text of the speach of Mariusz Kaminski in the debate on
> > decommunization
> > > in Polish Parliament (sorry – in Polish)
> > > http://www.ligarepublikanska.pl/dekomunizacja/kaminski1.htm
> >
> > > here , you may see how did they vote:
> > > http://www.ligarepublikanska.pl/dekomunizacja/glosowanie.htm

> > >
> > > unfortunately the draft law on decommunization in Poland was
> > rejected…..
> > >
> > > cheers

> > > Klaudiusz
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Dear Ted,

Activation of Ukrainian diaspora is unnecessary. They are active. Some of them left America
and moved to Kyjv and I think Jaroslava Stecko leading banderite is elected member of the
Ukrainian Duma (Sejm). They are active because they are afraid that at any moment Russia will
invade and anex Ukraine.

I am not wszechwiedzaca (omni-knowing) and do not know what to do with Polish Diaspora. I
even do not know what to do to interest in the Polish matters my own brother who will invest
in fishing, pedigree dogs and whose son Bartlomiej who grew in Poland and America and moved
back to Poland named his first son Patrick. And Mr. Odrzanski, he did not name him Bohdan or
Stepan or Volodymyr.

But Pope’s parents in Wadowice named Karol’s sister Olga. Olga died when she was one year old,
when at the time her oldest brother Aleksander, spoke only German in Linz in school and
Ukrainian at home. Would you call Karol Wojtylas Mother and Father an asshole, Mr. Odrzanski
??? Because they named their first daughter after Emilia’s sister who was as much Ukrainian
as Emilia who spoke to Lolek (Karol) at home Ukrainian and Polish he picke up in school???

I ramble in this posting, but on purpose. Also, while I do not rambling posts I
learned that
you will read and respond to this one and despite you swearing that you expunged me with a
filter.

Thus I surmise that even my rambling posts must be interesting and thoughts
provoking

Polina

Ted Pioro wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Dobryj den’
>
> To tease you especially my Polish folk, to get attention and to push you
> into action, I greeted you in Ukrianian.
>
> For a holocaust revisionist historian an answer to the question posed below
> is simple.
>
> It will beome even more simple if I include in the list of active diasporas
> Ukrainians and Irishmen and Poles before the end of the WWI (First WW).
>
> Now I am sure you see, that diasporas are active only while their country
> lacks INDEPENDENCE.
>
> After the WWII Poland have had quasi and then full independence. There for
> all immigrants got involved in gettin more $$$ and more $$$ and do not dare
> to opose Jewish defamation because they are afraid of loosing $$$
>
> I am too busy to list prominents of the Irish, Ukrianian and Polish WW I
> diasporas.
>
> You readers do it and continue
>
> Why only Holocaust revisionist can come with the above answer : because we
> revisionist are not blinded by any myths and on the contrary we dehoax them
>
> Polina
>
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Before You criticize anybody, consider what did YOU personally (and
> > Polish emigration generally) did for Poland. IMHO Polish emigration
> > (and emigrations of other postcommunist countries except Baltic
> > countries) is only able to different kind of “preaching” but not to do
> > anything with any sense…
> > Only in Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia their disaporas were really
> > involved in changes and quite helpful. They even bacame ministers and
> > event presidents.
> > Why other disaporas are so bad?
> > cheers
> >
> > Klaudiusz
> > http://www.geocities.com/kwesolek/c-europe.html (Page doesn`t exist)
> >
> > ted pioro <[email protected]> wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/central-europe/?start=751 (Page doesn`t exist)
> > > Sz. Panie K. Wesolek (sorry – in Polish):
> > > No i kto jest winny, ze projekt o dekomunizacji nie przeszedl? Pan,
> > Panie
> > > Wesolek, bowiem za malo wlozyl wysilku dla wyjasnienia ludziom obludy
> > > komunizmu za ktora to oblude przelewali krew, o czym nizej w t.zw.
> > BUFFS:

> > > Month of September was a proper time to remind everybody how it came
> > to the
> > > WWII out of which emerged State of Israel and how to avoid similar
> > conflicts
> > > in the Third Millenium. Read this:
> > >
> > > INTERESTING URL RECOMMENDED BY HISTORY BUFF(S)
> > > From: “Brian Wiesc” [email protected]
> > >
> > > The URL http://www.hollyland.com (Page doesn`t exist)
> > > brings forth an astonishing message that Adolf Hitler was the Founder
> > of
> > > Israel. Some historians have checked authencity of such claim and,
> > encouraged
> > > by a German Court Ruling of 1995 which permits distribution of the
> > book ADOLF
> > > HITLER – BEGRUENDER ISRAELS, translated it into English (in Poland
> > into
> > > Polish) and published under the title ADOLF HITLER – FOUNDER OF
> > ISRAEL, and
> > > subtitle ISRAEL IN WAR – WITH JEWS. Distribution of said book in the
> > U.S. is
> > > carried in the NEW CENTURY PRESS and the MODJESKIS’ SOCIETY, the
> > Publisher.
> > > Author of said book, Hennecke Kardel, 20 years ago suggested that the
> > greatest
> > > conflict in the history of HUMANKIND was the Israeli-Jewish
> > interference into
> > > affairs of European nations. He pointed out that the WWII was a
> > direct result
> > > of this interference. Whether it was possible, whether it was a fact
> > or
> > > imagination of the Author only, whether it will help to avoid military
> > > conflicts in the future, you should read the book. YOU BE THE JUDGE!
> > The most
> > > recently waged war among Jews about their “Chooseness” confirms the
> > book’s
> > > subtitle. In the book the Publisher states that in 1913 in Vienna J.
> > Stalin
> > > (like in 1924 A.Hitler) wrote his own “MEIN KAMPF”, but by V. Lenin
> > it was
> > > ignored because the goal was to materialize K. Marx’s idea of
> > destruction of
> > > capitalism and GOD, causing 65 million humans to perish before the
> > end of WWII
> > > in the USSR alone. And because very renown Rabbis, Humanists
> > (Atheists), and
> > > other Jewish thinkers declare that GOD not exist at all, and J.W.
> > Rice by his
> > > book of 1997 GOD ON TRIAL agreed with, it seems that the Publisher’s
> > new
> > > initiative to put the HISTORY OF MANKIND and GOD YAHVE on a TRIAL is
> > correct
> > > and justified. The recommended book is a first step forward. The
> > Publisher
> > > discerns the HUMANKIND from the MANKIND, because the TORAH (BIBLE)
> > authorizes
> > > this. Therefore it is also worthy of attention the REVELATION in the
> > given
> > > URL.
> > > Any comments or additions to this, please e-mail: [email protected]
> > > Last updated on 03/15/99 08:26 PM
> > > —
> > > And now what did say about those historical events Rabbi Stephen C.
> > Lerner and
> > > Mark Jay Mirsky on page 21 in their book MY SEARCH FOR THE MESSIAH,
> > New York,
> > > 1977 is this:
> > > “Perhaps the founding of the state of Israel, enthusiasm for western
> > science,
> > > and the EXPERIMENT WITH THAT UNIVERSALIST JEWISH HERESY, MARXISM, has
> > absorbed
> > > the energies of our most creative spirits….and Judaism will begin
> > to step
> > > into its vital and dangerous responsibilities among the nations.”
> > > —
> > > And now a word of competitor:
> > >
> > > “This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized
> > nation had
> > > full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more
> > efficient,
> > > and the world will follow our lead into the future!”
> > >
> > > Adolph Hitler, 1935.
> > > —
> > > As if the above is not enough, read this:
> > >
> > > “The Communist soul is the soul of Judaism. Hence it follows, that
> > just as in
> > > the Russian revolution the triumph of Communism was the triumph of
> > Judaism, so
> > > also in the triumph of Fascism will triumph Judaism.” (A Program for
> > the Jews
> > > and Answer to All Anti-Semites, pages 143-144 by Rabbi Harry Waton,
> > New York,
> > > 1939). And on pages 36 and 37 he consequently wrote:
> > > “The communists are Marxists, bolshevists, internationalists, Jews,
> > enemies of
> > > the Aryans and their culture. Soviet Russia is ruled by Jews and
> > barbarians
> > > that are incapable of culture.This, then, is the first step in the
> > PROGRAM:
> > > the Jews must reconcile themselves with Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy
> > and
> > > fascism generally.”
> > >
> > > In this way Rabbi H. Waton has confirmed Hennecke Kardel’s claim that
> > the
> > > MEGA-HOLOCAUST had been caused by GENOCIDAL programming of Elders of
> > Zion
> > > (1903) accordingly with the Will of Jahve (read the Holy Bible/Torah).
> > > —
> > > One more source of knowledge should also not bother you:
> > >
> > > The U.S. Senator Daniel P. Moynihan in the Chapter “The Encounter with
> > > Communism” of his book SECRECY, New York, 1998, has revealed how
> > before 1917
> > > the communist Jews infiltrated U.S. Government and in 1933 this
> > climaxed in
> > > recognition of the murderous Soviet Union as a
> > > partner of the U.S.
> > > —-
> > > “Indeed, we [Jews] were at the leading edge of communist
> > totalitarianism, one
> > > of the most murderous movements of the 20th century.” — Barbara
> > Amiel,
> > > Maclean’s Magazine, September 27, 1999

> > > For more revelations look into the <http://www.jewsnotzionists.org>
> > !!!!
> > > —–
> > > “Klaudiusz Wesolek” <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > The text of the speach of Mariusz Kaminski in the debate on
> > decommunization
> > > in Polish Parliament (sorry – in Polish)
> > > http://www.ligarepublikanska.pl/dekomunizacja/kaminski1.htm
> > >
> > > here , you may see how did they vote:
> > > http://www.ligarepublikanska.pl/dekomunizacja/glosowanie.htm
> > >
> > > unfortunately the draft law on decommunization in Poland was
> > rejected…..
> > >
> > > cheers

> > > Klaudiusz
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John Talmudicaly splits hair and veers of the principal of the matter.

The fact that Justice Jacson lowered himself to using dirty tricks on Spear
with vaporisation while he had or should have abandance of uncontrovertible
evidence is a great embarassment to this entire [Show] Trial.

John also snipped out my questions how Jackson arrived at such “indirect”
in the first place e.g. prevarication of Jackson’s or survisor’s

Who cares about Nurember?? I do not. The Sulzberger’s New York Times did
not even care about Auschwitz for years. But about that subject in the
next posting.

Polina,

PS Some readers asked me in e-mail how come that I do not react to
invectives slurs personals and gutter language of my holocaustian
opponents.

My response is the following.

1) I know that I will never convince about anything Mr Morris Drs Keren and
Gorski a.k.a ORAC or Yale or Philps or even K. Mc Vay. HOwever,

2) I use them as convenient sounding board and use their frequently
irrational and uncivil responses as a forum

3) I am not afraid that by stating that I will lose them. They are
primarlily compulsive-obsessive arguers and only secondarily
Holocasutians. No reason, NOTHING will stop compulsive-obsessive
individual. There are no effective therapies known for this condition or a
trait.

4) HOw do I know that they are compulsive obsessive? Because they do not
heed the Holocaustianity party line which forbids debate with Revisionist
and because of their persistance and lack of rationality and reason in
their responses.

5) How do I know that I am not compulsive-obsessive [CO] myself?

a) CO restrict themself to one subject be it Holocaustianity or brushing
theeth before and after every meal or even drink, or washing their hands 66
times a day before and after opening the refrigerator. MOreover CO could
not stop their rituals or activity.

You will notice that I post on various subjects and with temporary hiatuses
(hiati ?? in Latin?) when I am busy with every day matters. For me posting
on the net is an educational entertainment.

b) virtually all CO are pedantic even in spelling and I am to lazy to
bother to do the spell check since I learned that you will read me anyway
atrocious errors in spelling and syntax as well as occasional inaccuracies
in the historical details.

Greetings to all from Polina
even to my oponents

John Morris wrote:

> In <7v29n[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on 25 Oct 1999 19:06:21
> GMT, [email protected] (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>Astonishing!
>
> >The only “astonishing” item here is your apparently deliberate attempt
> >to suggest that unproven information from the Indictment had any
> >bearing upon the Judgment.
>
> I must demur. Using the keywords “Auschwitz,” “atomic,” and
> “experiment,” I am unable to find any reference in the Nuremberg
> indictments to an experiment to vaporize Jews at Auschwitz with atomic
> weapons.
>
> It is plain that Jackson’s question–the sole reference in the entire
> proceedings–was merely an indirection to induce Speer to testify
> about rumours which the Nazis employed to prolong the war.
>
> You are right that there is no question whether Jackson attempted to
> prove that such an experiment took place. He did not.
>
> This thread has become a mere demonstration of Mr. Dragan’s
> credulousness when dealing with information from Revisionist web
> pages.
>
> [snip]

> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Nizkooks are not members of homosapiens.
> They are members of Judeosapiens.” Joe Bellinger, May 17, 1999.

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Good evening,

Finally, an excellent rebuttal and posting (below) from Mr Candide if I do
not mix up Candide and Odrzanski. Instead sobriquetic oneliners true and
excellent rebuttal. Bravo.

Candide states he is not aware that Polish Gov in Exile was presenting fake
evidence on their own. Dr. Sawicki was the Polish presenter of the
Treblinka industrial murder by steaming 2,000,000 Jews to death. Ask Polish
Historical Society for the complete text. They have about 100,000 pages of
archival material (about one cubic meter) on Treblinka

It was Dr. Dragan from STamford and T. Lazarski from the Hoover Institue in
California who jointly discovered the galleys of the article about Treblinka
steam chambers from the July 1943 issue of the XXth Century the leading
political and intellectual magazine of the British Empire.

>From this research it became evident that Prof Sir Charles Dodd the pres. of
the Royal Soc of Physicians and Surgeons and inventor of the synthetic
stilbestrol was the first WW II Holocaust Revisionist and that the movement
got born during “taking the tea” at the nearby restaurant La Escargote (Pod
Slimakiem) still in existance by Dodd and the editor of the magazine.

Strangely this is within the shouting distance of the domicile of David
Irving according to the last May’s NYT a respected historian with
inappropriate perspective, no longer a Neo-Nazi or lunatic.

Greetings from Polina and thanks for an excellent post.

Candide wrote:

> > that the Soviets tried to pass off their own war crimes as Nazi
> > crimes.
> >
> > >Point 3, paragraph C of the indictment would
> > >read: ‘In September 1941 eleven thousand
> > >Polish prisoners-of-war were killed in the
> > >Katyn forest, near Smolensk.’ ” [end quote].
> >
> > >So, not only did Soviets introduce false
> > >evidence at Nuremberg but they also managed
> > >to attribute their own war crimes to Germans.
> > >And, as if murdering 15,000 (not 11,000) of
> > >defenceless Polish prisoners was not enough,
> > >they also staged a trial of some German
> > >officers who were “directly responsible” for
> > >Katyn massacre, and publicly hanged seven of
> > >them in Leningrad. The film documenting this
> > >execution was shown to the international
> > >members of the Tribunal as part of the after
> > >hours entertainment.
> > >
> > >The Document 054 USSR quoted above is by
> > >no means the only example of the false
> > >testimony fabricated by NKVD and introduced
> > >as evidence at Nuremberg. There are other
> > >”documents”, testifying for example to
> > >4,000,000 gassed at Auschwitz or describing
> >
> > Again, this is a Soviet report with no supporting documentation.
>
> Yes, another outrageous lie offered as
> evidence.
>
> > In
> > this particular case, the Soviets estimated the crematory capacity at
> > Auschwitz and assumed that it ran flat out most of the time. This was
> > a bad assumption as subsequent historical research has borne out.
> >
> > The Tribunal did not cite the Soviet report in its judgment, though.
> > Instead thet cited the testimony of Rudolph Hoess. At Nuremberg,
> > Hoess claimed that Eichmann had told him 2.5 million. But when tried
> > in Poland, Hoess realized that the actual death toll was closer to 1.1
> > million which is, in fact, very close to the death toll cited by
> > Western historians.
> >
> > >the execution steam chambers
> >
> > Sorry. That was part of the US presentation and was based upon Polish
> > reports of observations made at a distance at Treblinka. If Polish
> > winters are as cold as the winters where I live, automotive engine
> > exhaust looks a lot like steam.
>
> Which would suggest Soviets were not alone
> in presenting false evidence. Do you have any
> reference to those mysterious “Polish reports”
> confusing an automotive engine with a steam
> chamber?
>
> > > or underground
> > >electrocution chambers or pedal operated
> > >killing machines,
> >
> > You’ve got me on how gas chambers could be mistaken for electrocution
> > chambers, but I wonder if the other one isn’t a mistake for the metal
> > frame that held prisoners’ heads in place while the “doctors” took
> > racial specimen pictures.
>
> If you saw what pathetic structures pass for
> those so called “gas chambers” in those so
> called “factories of death” you could very
> easily mistake not only a gas chamber for an
> electrocution chamber but the whole “factory”
> for a chicken shack.
>
> > > all of which have since been
> > >proved to be hoaxes.
> >
> > Hoaxes or erroneous information that was long since forgotten until
> > Holocaust deniers had to find something to justify their lies.
>
> Which lies? And by the way, wasn’t your
> battlecry supposed to be: “Never forget!”? 😉
>
> > > Mr. Porter’s website
> > >contains translations of quite a number of
> > >those “documents”, all duly numbered and
> > >referenced as part of authentic Nuremberg
> > >evidence.
> >
> > >I suggest that you read some of them before
> > >publicly making hysterical asses of
> > >yourselves.
> >
> > I suggest you read Mr. Edeiken’s essay on Carlos Porter’s rather free
> > attitude towards evidence before you are mistaken for yet another
> > gullible fool:
>
> I see absolutely no point in wasting time on an
> offensive troll whose polemic methods boil
> down to statements like “you are a liar!” and
> “Porter is full of shit!”.
>
> As to Porter’s attitude, I am not impressed by
> it either, but it is rather irrelevant in this
> discussion. He translated and published on the
> web a series of outrageous, elaborate lies
> submitted as evidence at the Nuremberg trial. I
> am very grateful to him for making that
> material available. If you think he made errors
> or intentional misrepresentations, please,
> share your findings with the rest of us.
>
> Pozdrowienia,
>
> Candide
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> Before you buy.

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John Morris wrote:

> In <38152[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on Mon, 25 Oct
> 1999 23:34:32 -0400, polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Dear Dr. Orac,
>
> >You would prove revisionists wrong if you could show mass graves on air
> >photos of Babi Yar or Treblinka II
>
> The mass graves are clear and distinct on the September 1944 Treblinka
> II photo. It is just that neither you nor that apologist for child
> molesters, John Ball, knows what to look for.

Dear Mr. Morris,

Please also add that these mass graves measure about 400 square meters and
are about 10% smaller than in Katyn. Thus in Treblinka II no more then
about 4,000 Jews could be buried in this post-glacial dune.

Polina

> [snip]

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Dear Mr Morris,

1) you are citing search on OCLC from a day or two ago. I was citing results
>from about five years ago. Time accounts for diffrences.

POlina

Nureemberg Trial is non-contributory to the problem of physical evidence of the
Holocaust/

Archeology, forinsic toxicology and air-photography are the primary and
uncontrovertible fields which should be studied. Nuremberg is for you a primary
diversion from the lack of physical hard evidence and for me is good only for
intellectual relaxation and some smiles.

Polina

John Morris wrote:

> In <3814A[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on Mon, 25 Oct
> 1999 15:18:05 -0400, polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Dear John,
>
> >You are citing data from yeasterday. I cited availability from 1995.
>
> >I suspect you will castigate me for not perusing Internet in 1980s or 1970s
>
> >Have reason
>
> Have reason? Tell me how reasonable it is for you to prounounce
> authoritatively on a trial record which you know only by what you have
> read on Revisionist web pages. Tell me how reasonable it is for you
> to claim the right to pronounce authoritatively simply because you
> erroneously believe that the trial record is unavailable to you.
>
> I gave you a list of 22 libraries which allow interlibrary loan. If
> you can’t get across the river to the New York Public Library, have
> them send it to your local library in Queens.
>
> You can use a web browser can’t you?
>
> http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/imt.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
>
> Now you have no excuse for your ignorance. Read the Indictment and
> Judgment in Volume I. That’s the most important part. If you then
> want to assess the validity or quality of the evidence cited in the
> Judgment, *then* go to the individual testimonies of the defendants
> and the testimonies of both prosecution and defense witnesses
> regarding each defendant.
>
> Until then, shut up.
>
> [snip]

> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Fuch the world lets murder people.” — Matt Giwer, October 26, 1999

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Yes, I can show you that they should know.

Polish Government in Exile introduced it apparently only after Jewish prompting.
They knew from the Editors of the XXth Century and the President of the Royal
College of Physicians and Surgeons that that was silly rubbish.

Do not take my word for it Ask Polish Historical Society POB 8024 Stamford CT
06905 for supporting documentation.

Or you are consider Nuremberg prosecutors STUPID? You, a nobody, a legal and
forensic layman, today know that the STEAMING story of 2,000,000 was false. How
come the multitueds of professionals at Nurembers could not figure it out?

I think they felt that this lie will fly and it flew for nearly four deacades,
until the advent of Revisionism.

Polina Borowska

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <7v3qt2$lj7[email protected]>, Candide <[email protected]> wrote:
> […]
> >Also, Soviet prosecutors were not some
> >freelancers staging a side show in Nuremberg.
> >They were integral part of the prosecuting
> >team of the IMT. It was that international
> >prosecuting team who made the Katyn
> >massacre a part of the indictment, and it was
> >the same team who offered bogus Soviet
> >documents as evidence. By doing it, the
> >Western prosecutors not only compromised
> >their professional integrity; they commited a
> >criminal offence.
>
> Was the Soviet evidence with respect to Katyn admitted? Prosecution
> teams often introduce evidence at trial, only to find themselves
> unable to prove the case. Witness the Simpson trial, for instance. Are
> you suggesting that only charges which are guaranteed to be successful
> in court should be allowed? I.e. should we throw out our entire legal
> system?
>
> As it turned out, I would think everyone (but the Soviets, of course)
> would be pleased. The Soviets lost their case, and stood exposed
> before the world as the perpetrators of the crime. The bogus evidence
> was rejected by the Tribunal, which conclusively refuted charges of “show
> trial” in the process.
>
> […]
>
> >> Again, this is a Soviet report with no supporting documentation.
> >
> >Yes, another outrageous lie offered as
> >evidence.
>
> ..and rejected by the Tribunal – the system worked, and evidenciary
> standards were applied fairly…
> […]
> >> Sorry. That was part of the US presentation and was based upon Polish
> >> reports of observations made at a distance at Treblinka. If Polish
> >> winters are as cold as the winters where I live, automotive engine
> >> exhaust looks a lot like steam.
> >
> >Which would suggest Soviets were not alone
> >in presenting false evidence. Do you have any
> >reference to those mysterious “Polish reports”
> >confusing an automotive engine with a steam
> >chamber?
>
> The reports did not confuse an engine with a chamber, they confused
> the exhaust from an engine with steam. That isn’t difficult to
> understand. Again, this charge did not hold up, and was not proven.
> I’d say that’s another plus for the Tribunal.
>
> Can you show that the Prosecution _knew_ the “steam” evidence was
> false at the time they entered it into the Indictment, as the Soviets
> clearly knew their’s was? I don’t know of any evidence that will
> permit us to do that – do you?
>
> […]
>
> >If you saw what pathetic structures pass for
> >those so called “gas chambers” in those so
> >called “factories of death” you could very
> >easily mistake not only a gas chamber for an
> >electrocution chamber but the whole “factory”
> >for a chicken shack.
>
> You have seen them, have you? Can you describe them for us?

> The Nizkor Project: An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
> Search: https://nizkor.org/search.html Broken link
> Funding: https://nizkor.org/funding.html Broken link

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Dear Madams and Sirs,

The prolonged and interesting discussion about the Nuremberg Show Trials
nears end. I would like to conclude it under a different title by
translating from German a part of a recent letter by the father of the
modern Holocaust Revisionism Prof Robert Faurisson from France:

“The Verdict at Nuremberg.

The [French] Fabius-Gayssot Law rules that the verdict of the Nuremberg
International Tribunal will ber used a indicator of the magnitude of the
[German] Crimes against Humanity and by used as a touch stone to judge
and sentence those who deny these crimes. Thus one the matter of the
homicidal gas chambers is epiphenomenal of this matter and the history
of the Holocaust.

HOwever it is uncontrovertible that among 84,000 words of the Nuremberg
Verdict in its French edition, there are at most 540 words which in
unclear and obfuscatory manner refer to homicidal gas chambers.

This implies, that only 1/160th of the Verdict, or 0.62% words refers to
this sine qua none, crucial matter.

In other words, 99,38% of the Nuremberg International Tribunal Verdict
does not bother with this subject.” end of Faurisson’s quote

Sincerely, Polina Borowska,
member of the Polish Historical Society

PS Just for fun, I wrote letter to Prof Faurrison asking how many words
in the verdict are devoted to typhus and other epidemics and delousing
chambers.

I bet five dollars that at least 5,000 words!

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Dear Yale,

It is irrelevant if evidentiary material submitted to the Tribunal was admitted into
court records as evidence.

The fact that such phoney material was ATTEMPTED , as you admit, to be presented
casts indelible shadow on the rest of materials and entire Trial.

Prosecutors and Judges being the Victors of the WW II had [theoretically] access to
plethora and aboundance real incriminating evidece. They had multitudes of personel
to reject obviously confabulatory stories and obligation to submit bona fide data.

The fact that they, the almighty, attempted to submit fabrications for ever deprecated
the credibility of the ENTIRE proceedings. Once a liar always a liar.

Prosecutors should be riding on white horse in shining armors not dressed in
fabrications and martyrological mythology or outright psychotic delusions of liberated
and hysterical survivors expecting remuneration and favors for their phoney stories.

Each of the dozens of volumes of the Proceedings should not contain even a SCINTILLA
of a questionable evidence.

Nuremberg was not a mafia trial where it is exceedingly difficult to get accurate
evidence. All Nazi archives were opened to the victors. They should not need
questionable and emotional eyewitnesses. They should not need faked soviet evidence.
It should be rejected in the prosecutors chambers and not by the judges!

Nuremberg was a soviet style show trial, patterend on the Kharkiv and Kransondar
trials of summer of 1943, Kyiv 1944 for Babi Yar Lublin 1944 and Leningrad trial of
January 1946 during which 12 high german officers were condemned to death for the
Katyn massacre!

The only difference was that the victims of Nuremberg where hanged secretly while the
victims Kharkiv, Krasnodar, Kyiv Lublin and Leningragd were hunged publicly.

Greetings from Polina

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> Candide <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…

> > > Candide lied:
>
> > >> It is a well known fact that most (if not all) of
> > >> the documents presented at Nuremberg trials
> > >> were fabricated by the NKVD – the Soviet
> > >> political police, dominated almost entirely by
> > >> jews.
> > >>
> > >> The most notorious examples of those false
> > >> documents are the witness testimonies, the
> > >> forensic report and other evidence produced at
> > >> the trial of ten German officers accused of
> > >> murdering thousands of Polish POWs at the
> > >> Katyn Forest.
> > >>
> > >> Nine of the accused have been found guilty.
> > >> Seven of them were hanged and two died in
> > >> Soviet gulags.
> > >>
> > >> After the fall of Communism, Russians have
> > >> admitted that the Katyn massacre has in fact
> > >> been committed by the NKVD and the
> > >> evidence against the accused has been
> > >> fabricated.
> > >>
> > >> Now, I have hardly any sympathy for the
> > >> hanged Germans who had no business
> > >> invading Poland at the first place, but in the
> > >> eyes of law, they were innocent victims
> > >> murdered in cold blood by the real
> > >> masterminds of the Katyn mass murder, who
> > >> shamelessly paraded at the trial as
> > >> prosecutors, witnesses and experts.
> > >>
> > >> This but one example of seemingly endless list
> > >> of false documents used as testimony at
> > >> Nuremberg trials.
> > >>
> > >> More on the subject at:
> > >> http://www.cwporter.co.uk/k1.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
> > >> http://www.cwporter.co.uk/two.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
> >
> > to which a choir of jewish trolls replied
> > (among other things):
> > >
> > > A lie from Candide:
> > > This is, of course, historically stupid…
> > >
> > > It is not only not a “well known fact” but an utter fabrication.
> > >
> > > The Soviets supplied almost no documents whatsoever and the majority of
> > > those they used in evidence were supplied to them by the US army.
> > >
> > > You are wrong again. The Soviets presented no doucmentary evidence of
> the
> > > Katyn massacre and what evidence they did present was easily proven
> > > fraudulent to the Tribunal which did not credit it.
> > >
> > > But you will lie for them
> > >
> > > There was no finding by the
> > > Tribunal that the Germans committed the Katyn Massacre. (…)
> > > No person was, therefore, sentenced to death for the crime.
> > >
> > > Since you haven’t named one your list is not, as you claim, without end
> > > but without beginning.
> > >
> > > The garbage you pass off as “well
> > > known facts” will then be instantly recognized as such.
> > >
> > > In other words, you have absolutley NO proof.
> > > (…) you have no evidence at all to support it.
> >
> > What on earth is wrong with you people? Are
> > lies and insults your only argument in
> > discussion?
>
> Because you ARE lying.
>
> > I gave you a clear link to:
> > http://www.cwporter.co.uk/k1.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
>
> Porter is full of shit.
>
> > It is a document (translated for your
> > convenience by Carlos W. Porter) introduced
> > by the Soviets into evidence at the Nuremberg
> > trial. It opens with the following statement:
>
> That is incorrect. It was never introduced into evidence and was not used
> as support for the judgment.
> ——————
> > DOCUMENT 054 USSR
> >
> > Report by a Special Soviet Commission, 24
> > January 1944, concerning the shooting of
> > Polish officer prisoners of war in the
> > forest of Katyn.
>
> In fact the Tribunal rejected the document as not being admissible in
> evidence.
>
> > This “document” is an elaborate hoax
> > describing in minute detail (on some forty
> > pages of text) how, where and when the
> > Germans killed the Polish officers whose
> > mass graves were found at Katyn.
>
> And was not part of the evidence at Nuremberg.
>
> > Read it and tell me: is this not a sufficient
> > example of false evidence given to the
> > Tribunal by the NKVD?
>
> But it was not part of the evidence at Nuremberg. It was rejected by the
> Tribunal.
>
> In fact, in a heated exchange the American counsel stated that the Soviets
> should be held in contempt for attemting to introduce it.
>
> > Despite your statements to the contrary, the
> > Katyn massacre WAS very well part of of the
> > indictment at Nuremberg. Here is a quote
> > from D. Irving’s ‘Nuremberg, The Last
> > Battle’:
>
> But the judgment of the Tribunal was that their report was rejected and
> the ultimate judgment was that no convincing evidence had been introduced.
>
> > So, not only did Soviets introduce false
> > evidence at Nuremberg but they also managed
> > to attribute their own war crimes to Germans.
>
> As has been pointed out the report youcite wsa not introduced into
> evidence.

> > The Document 054 USSR quoted above is by
> > no means the only example of the false
> > testimony fabricated by NKVD and introduced
> > as evidence at Nuremberg. There are other
> > “documents”, testifying for example to
> > 4,000,000 gassed at Auschwitz
>
> No such document was introduced into evidence.
>
> > or describing
> > the execution steam chambers or underground
> > electrocution chambers or pedal operated
> > killing machines, all of which have since been
> > proved to be hoaxes.
>
> No such evidence was introduced into evidence.
>
> > Mr. Porter’s website
> > contains translations of quite a number of
> > those “documents”, all duly numbered and
> > referenced as part of authentic Nuremberg
> > evidence.
>
> That is incorrect. The ignorant Porter cited no such admission into
> evidence. He cited only to the record of the trial. A record includes
> material which was not introduced into evidence. He was too ignorant to
> know the difference.
>
> > I suggest that you read some of them before
> > publicly making hysterical asses of
> > yourselves.
>
> I suggest you learn what you are talking about before you lie like you did
> here.
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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Dear Dr. Orac,

You would prove revisionists wrong if you could show mass graves on air
photos of Babi Yar or Treblinka II and explained why about 50 mass graves
at the Treblinka I are clearly seen in these wartime reconnaissance
photos. Exhumation of these graves revealed about 100 corpses in each, but
no traces of gas chambers and no humongous mass graves to correspond to the
3,500,000 or 2,2000,000 or even the 890,000 victims have been found.

50,000 old and sick Jews were allegedly shot by the Nazis at the Treblinka
II Lazaret. Excavation conducted under the egis of a Jewish Judge
Magistrate Zdzislaw Lukaszkiewicz from the District Court at Siedlce
revealed some rubbish, badges of Jewish policemen (Ordnungdienst) absence
of skeletons allegedly cremated and most importantly absence of at least
50,000 slugs and casings. Instead the careful archeology of the site
discovered about 90 various coins among them several US pennies.

Again, why we do find skeletons of Polish Ukrainian Byelorussian, Russian
and even Finish victims of WWII murdered or executed by beligerents but we
can not find the remains of millions of Jews the Nazis did not have the
time to cremate

Greetings from Polina

Orac wrote:

> In article <7v00d[email protected]>, “Grazyna Lesniak”
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > polin :
> > (…)
> > >Todays revisionists are like the yeasterdays dissidents of the USSR
> > (…)
> > Let’s revise this comparison.
> >
> > They told the truth. You ask : “prove, that our absurds aren’t lies”.
>
> And then, when we do prove that their absurd statements are lies,” they
> keep repeating them!
>
> [Snip]

> Orac |”A statement of fact cannot be insolent.”–Orac
> a.k.a. |
> David Gorski|”If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
> | inconvenience me with questions?”–Orac again

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Dear Mr Mc Vay,

Do not accuse me for not having NIT proceedings. I complained about the fact that
they were hardly accessible even to a ardent student.

I also stated that I do not care about these proceedings as the entire trial was a
show trial. It is not worth to spent time to study them to just slightly embarass
the WW II Holocaust believers.

For years I hammer that the importrant this in this argument is the lack of the
physical evidence of the industrial murder of the Jews. I do not wish to digress
into trivia such as [extorted] testimonies of alleged perpetrators or martyrological
group fantasies of survivors.

Lets go back to the starting point and start looking for the bones of the 3-4M Jews
the Nazis did not have time to cremate.

This is what the prosecution at Nuremberg should have done first place. Instead they
were talking about atomic energy and vaporizing prisoners with it e.g. Justice
Jackson.

Again, Mr Mc Vay where are the bones of the not cremated victims?? Once we establish
their location then it will be worthwhile to review and consider as accurate
testimonies of survivors and official Allied documents including Soviets.

Polina

Incidentally, you holocaustians blame Poles for the 4,000,000 Auschwitz hoaxy
figure. Whom will you blame for the 600,000 victims of Lemberg etc???

The commissar of the Sovinform was Solomon Lozovsky. Smirnov, Porkovsky and most of
the Soviet staff was also Jewish … coincidence??? randomness???

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> […]
>
> >There is entire collection of Soviet delivered documents to Nuremberg I thing
> >designated #6. There are descriptions in them of 600,000 Jewish vitims at Lviv,
> >300,000 in Odessa etc. Polish Historical Society published a booklet on
> >this subject
> >about ten years ago, on the 50th anniverssary of the Babi Yar , which I
> >do not have
> >handy
>
> I have the “red set” here – it contains the documents listed as
> evidence (but not necessarily introduced and accepted as such) for the
> first tribunal.
>
> The designation “#6” is meaningless with respect to documents
> submitted by the Soviets.
>
> Most of the documents submitted came from the American unit in Paris,
> as has already been pointed out to you.
>
> What seems clear to me is that you have no real idea how many
> documents were submitted by the Soviet Union, or how many were
> submitted by others, and you have no idea whatsoever how many of the
> Soviet documents were or were not accepted into evidence.
>
> It is also clear, from your own statements, that you do not have a
> copy of any of the Nuremberg publications – i.e. you do not have the
> red set (https://nizkor.org/hweb/imt/nca) Broken link which lists the
> documents.
>
> That being the case, I cannot understand how you can make assertions –
> which are essentially meaningless (to be kind) to anyone who _does_
> have the publications.
>
> Perhaps you can explain?
> —
> The Nizkor Project: An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
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Dear Mr Mc Vay,

Do not accuse me for not having NIT proceedings. I complained about the fact that
they were hardly accessible even to a ardent student.

I also stated that I do not care about these proceedings as the entire trial was a
show trial. It is not worth to spent time to study them to just slightly embarass
the WW II Holocaust believers.

Lets go back to the starting point and start looking for the bones of the 3-4M Jews
the Nazis did not have time to cremate.

This is what the prosecution at Nuremberg should have done first place. Instead they
were talking about atomic energy and vaporizing prisoners with it e.g. Justice
Jackson.

Polina

Incidentally, you holocaustians blame Poles for the 4,000,000 Auschwitz hoaxy
figure. Whom will you blame for the 600,000 victims of Lemberg etc???

The commissar of the Sovinform was Solomon Lozovsky. Smirnov, Porkovsky and most of
the Soviet staff at Nuremberg were also Jewish … coincidence??? randomness???

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> […]
>
> >There is entire collection of Soviet delivered documents to Nuremberg I thing
> >designated #6. There are descriptions in them of 600,000 Jewish vitims at Lviv,
> >300,000 in Odessa etc. Polish Historical Society published a booklet on
> >this subject
> >about ten years ago, on the 50th anniverssary of the Babi Yar , which I
> >do not have
> >handy
>
> I have the “red set” here – it contains the documents listed as
> evidence (but not necessarily introduced and accepted as such) for the
> first tribunal.
>
> The designation “#6” is meaningless with respect to documents
> submitted by the Soviets.
>
> Most of the documents submitted came from the American unit in Paris,
> as has already been pointed out to you.
>
> What seems clear to me is that you have no real idea how many
> documents were submitted by the Soviet Union, or how many were
> submitted by others, and you have no idea whatsoever how many of the
> Soviet documents were or were not accepted into evidence.
>
> It is also clear, from your own statements, that you do not have a
> copy of any of the Nuremberg publications – i.e. you do not have the
> red set (https://nizkor.org/hweb/imt/nca)Broken link which lists the
> documents.
>
> That being the case, I cannot understand how you can make assertions –
> which are essentially meaningless (to be kind) to anyone who _does_
> have the publications.
>
> Perhaps you can explain?
>
> The Nizkor Project: An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
> Search: https://nizkor.org/search.html Broken link
> Funding: https://nizkor.org/funding.html Broken link

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Dear Mr Mc Vay,

Effectivelly cornered you lost your cool, which by itself is an evidence that you
have no strong and valid arguments just adjectives.

While the First World War holocaust was completely forgotten and the WW II Holocaust
withers, under the pressure of revisionists, and the Holocaustians bemoan passing off
of Survivors (if they pass away how we are going to prove it to the future
generations – a standard media cry), you are trying to preserve the authority of the
Nuremberg Trial. Valiant effort Mr Mc Vay, but it will not do.

To be belivable you must come with physical evidence.

I am not 100% revisionist and I am not Nazi apologist. For example lately I hammer
the unexplicable fact that about half of Polish clergy died at Dachau while it was
not so with other nationalities.

I am much disliked by quite a few revisionists and virtually all anti-Semites and to
the same extent by you.

I think I am the only revisionist who appreciates your web page. I think I am one of
very few revisionists ready to become holocaustian again once solid physical evidence
of industrial murder by the Nazis is presented.

Will you become a revisionist when such evidence will not be forthcoming. And where
are cremation pits and remains of mass graves which contained 48,000,000 victims of
Belzec (every hour on the hour 10,000 vctims) or the 1,500,000 victims or at least
600,000 victims.

Why do you think Polish authorities drag their feet with releasing archeology of
Belzec or the Hydrokop report.

These studies should confirm the industrial killing and should be publicized on front
pages of all papers.

And why Nazis did not completely covered the traces of their crime???

Why they did not bother even to start cremations at the mass graves of the 10,000
vixctims of the Treblinka II for Poles???

Lets forget about the shinanigans of the prosecutors and politicians and judges
during the Nuremberg trial or even the Tardive Dyskinesia of Eichmann. While I
mention that I do not put much weight into that. So what that Eichmann was fed with
Thorazine. So what that he was spilling delusions about geysers of blood. The
important subject is : how many Jewish skeletons or cremation pyres or cremation pits
were discovered by archeologists at Lwow (Lemhberg).

And indeed, the search was done in that city about 20 years ago especially in
Lysynechi forest. But as usuall when the Jewish deaths are involved the archeology
is classified as secret.

Sincerely Polina

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >It is irrelevant if evidentiary material submitted to the Tribunal was
> >admitted into
> >court records as evidence.
>
> Not at all. It is relevant as it shows that material which was not
> admitted as evidence did not meet the evidenciary standards set by the
> tribunal – something which would have meant nothing if the tribunal
> was a “show trial,” as you have claimed. Had that been true, all of
> the evidence submitted by the prosecution would have been admitted.
> Get used to it.
>
> >The fact that such phoney material was ATTEMPTED , as you admit, to
> >be presented
> >casts indelible shadow on the rest of materials and entire Trial.
>
> Actually, it casts credibility upon the tribunal and its standards,
> although you – for reasons known only to yourself and other deniers –
> cannot see this. It clearly shows that standards existed and were
> adhered to. Sorry about that, but your own contentions are nonsense
> when considered beneath the light of the very evidence you submit in
> your attempt to discredit the tribunal.
>
> >Prosecutors and Judges being the Victors of the WW II had
> >[theoretically] access to
> >plethora and aboundance real incriminating evidece. They had multitudes
> >of personel
> >to reject obviously confabulatory stories and obligation to submit bona
> >fide data.
>
> >The fact that they, the almighty, attempted to submit fabrications for
> >ever deprecated
> >the credibility of the ENTIRE proceedings. Once a liar always a liar.
>
> Sorry about that, but, once again, you have only managed to defeat
> your own “case” and show the validity of the evidenciary process.
> Thank you so much for doing that!
>
> >Prosecutors should be riding on white horse in shining armors not dressed in
> >fabrications and martyrological mythology or outright psychotic
> >delusions of liberated
> >and hysterical survivors expecting remuneration and favors for their
> >phoney stories.
>
> _Judges_ decide whether or not evidence is worthy of submission, not
> attornies for defence or prosecution. By your rather strange
> standards, we would have to dismiss just about every civil and
> criminal trial ever held…. duh…
>
> >Each of the dozens of volumes of the Proceedings should not contain even
> >a SCINTILLA
> >of a questionable evidence.
>
> What colour is the sky where you live? Where did you get your legal
> training? A Wheaties box?
>
> >Nuremberg was not a mafia trial where it is exceedingly difficult to get

> >accurate
> >evidence. All Nazi archives were opened to the victors. They should not
need
> >questionable and emotional eyewitnesses. They should not need faked
> >soviet evidence.
> >It should be rejected in the prosecutors chambers and not by the judges!
>
> What a strange concept of trial law you have, “Irene Polinhis
> Miron Nasaduke!”
>
> >Nuremberg was a soviet style show trial, patterend on the Kharkiv and
Kransondar
> >trials of summer of 1943, Kyiv 1944 for Babi Yar Lublin 1944 and
> >Leningrad trial of
> >January 1946 during which 12 high german officers were condemned to
> >death for the
> >Katyn massacre!
>
> If that had been true, the evidence would have been admitted into
> evidence, as it always is during show trials. Again, thank you for
> defeating your own case!
>
> Isn’t it reassuring to note that while a Soviet show trial did indeed
> convict Germans for the Katyn killings, the Nuremberg Tribunal did not
> – in fact, as you very well know, at _Nuremberg_ it was conclusively
> shown that Soviet charges were utter crap. How do you explain that,
> “Irene Polinhis Miron Nasaduke?”
>
> >The only difference was that the victims of Nuremberg where hanged
> >secretly while the
> >victims Kharkiv, Krasnodar, Kyiv Lublin and Leningragd were hunged publicly.
>
> Don’t be so modest, old bean… the difference is that the Germans
> were absolved of complicity in the Katyn killings during the Nuremberg
> tribunal, an indisputable _fact_ which throws your entire thesis right
> into the giwer.

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Yale below engages in total disinformation. I am not sure if this is premeditated or
due to his superficial knowledge of the matter. Probably both.

During the WW II there was a total cover up of the Katyn massacre in the media of the
United States of America. Please do not trust me. Please check the New York Times
Index and find one mention of Katyn during mid 1940s. You will find none.

America and GB were engaged in cover up of Soviet crimes

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> Peter Haefner <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> > On 23 Oct 1999 11:44:30 -0400, “Yale F.Edeiken” <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >> The most notorious examples of those false
> > >> documents are the witness testimonies, the
> > >> forensic report and other evidence produced at
> > >> the trial of ten German officers accused of
> > >> murdering thousands of Polish POWs at the
> > >> Katyn Forest.
> > >
> > > You are wrong again. The Soviets presented no doucmentary evidence of
> the
> > >Katyn massacre and what evidence they did present was easily proven
> > >fraudulent to the Tribunal which did not credit it.
> >
> > The Soviets were deliberatly producing false evidence to pin the
> > massacre to the Germans.
>
> That is correct. The evidence they produced, however, was neither
> documentary evidence or eyewitness testimony. They relied on several
> reports from pathologists and some hearsay testimony.
>
> It is now well-known that it was the Soviets as was suspected almost from
> the moment that the massacre was discovered. There was a report rendered
> to the US Department of State before the end of the war which stated that
> the massacre was the work of the Soviets.
>
> There was one fact that put the issue in doubt for many years and,
> ironically it was the forencsic study produced by the nazis. It found that
> the victims had been murdered with ammunition manufactured in Germany.
>
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
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“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

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But the Tribunal did not attempt to submit fabrications and, as you now

> admit, did not accept them.

> The only one being a liar now is you.

I object to your assesment.

Incidentally, the Polish government introduced materials about 2,000,000 Jews steamed
to death at the baths at Treblinka. Was this admitted as evidence and what which
death count the Tribunal established as true, could you tell me.

Incidentally, what is your decision on selling me a copy of the video of Eichmann
trial or giving me address where you bought it.

How about the list of Allentown libraries having sets of Nuremberg transcritps???

There are some revisionist who damage the cause and some holocaustians who damage the
Holocaust and you are one of them.

I think Mc Vay and Keren do better job on fighting revisionists. I think you should
help them and not produce your writings. Help them to put more documentation on the
Internet. And there are many which prevent us from sleeping at night.

Listen to prof Hilberg who says that tons of Nazi documents on acid paper never red
desintegrate at the storage in Sutherland, MD.

Polina

> > Prosecutors should be riding on white horse in shining armors not dressed
> in
> > fabrications and martyrological mythology or outright psychotic delusions
> of liberated
> > and hysterical survivors expecting remuneration and favors for their
> phoney stories.
>
> And they put together one hell of a case. It depended almost entirely on
> the documents of the accused and consisted of overwhelming proof which you
> cannot refute except by lying about it.
>
> As you have several times.
>
> > Each of the dozens of volumes of the Proceedings should not contain even
> a SCINTILLA
> > of a questionable evidence.
>
> False. It is the record of a trial. It is the duty of a person compiling
> a trial record to include EVERYTHING from the trial. Furthermore, as you
> now admit, the specific documents you are complaining about were NOT
> evidence.
>
> > Nuremberg was a soviet style show trial, patterend on the Kharkiv and
> Kransondar
> > trials of summer of 1943, Kyiv 1944 for Babi Yar Lublin 1944 and
> Leningrad trial of
> > January 1946 during which 12 high german officers were condemned to death
> for the
> > Katyn massacre!
>
> You are a liar. There is no other word for it.
>
> > The only difference was that the victims of Nuremberg where hanged
> secretly while the
> > victims Kharkiv, Krasnodar, Kyiv Lublin and Leningragd were hunged
> publicly.
>
> No. The overwhelming opinion of those legal scholars who have studied the
> trial is that the defendants received a fair trial. Even those who
> disagree with the IMT trial and the attorneys for the defense have stated
> that. If you really believe the garbage you present, you would have had no
> problem in demonstrating how the defendants were denied a fair trial.
>
> Indeed the actions of Justice Musmanno (in the EG trial) was so highly
> regarded by the defense counsel that they presented him a token of their
> appreciation and cited his rulings in mundane criminal cases in German
> courts.
>
> Not only have you failed to supply a single right of a fair trial that the
> defendants were denied but you have made a fool of yourself when you tried.
>
> Start with the basics of a fair trial:
>
> Were the defendants allowed counsel of their choice?
>
> Were the defendants allowed to cross-examine prosecution witnesses and
> challenge prosecution evidence?
>
> Did the rulings of the Tribunal conform to legal standards of the time?
>
> Were the Defendants allowed to present evidence of their own?
>
> Were the Defendants allowed to testify in their own defense?
>
> Were the defendants, in this case, allowed to make unsworn statements to
> theTribunal that were not subject to cross-examination?
>
> Did the judgment of the Tribunal conform to the evidence that was before
> them?
>
> Each of these questions can be unequivocally answered in the affirmative.
>
> As you have stated elsewhere, you do not even know what happened at the
> trial or what the evidence is. You ahve even demonstrated that you do not
> even know what evidence is.
>
> In short, you are an apologist for the nazis, stamping your foot and
> demanding that others accept your garbled ideas as trueand correct.
>
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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John Talmudicaly splits hair and veers of the principal of the matter.

John also snipped out my questions how Jackson arrived at such “indirect”
in the first place e.g. prevarication of Jackson’s or survisor’s

Who cares about Nurember?? I do not. The Sulzberger’s New York Times did
not even care about Auschwitz for years. But about that subject in the
next posting.

Polina,

PS Some readers asked me in e-mail how come that I do not react to
invectives slurs personals and gutter language of my holocaustian
opponents.

My response is the following.

1) I know that I will never convince about anything Mr Morris Drs Keren and
Gorski a.k.a ORAC or Yale or Philps or even K. Mc Vay. HOwever,

2) I use them as convenient sounding board and use their frequently
irrational and uncivil responses as a forum

5) How do I know that I am not compulsive-obsessive [CO] myself?

You will notice that I post on various subjects and with temporary hiatuses
(hiati ?? in Latin?) when I am busy with every day matters. For me posting
on the net is an educational entertainment.

Greetings to all from Polina
even to my oponents

John Morris wrote:

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Good evening,

Finally, an excellent rebuttal and posting (below) from Mr Candide if I do
not mix up Candide and Odrzanski. Instead sobriquetic oneliners true and
excellent rebuttal. Bravo.

Strangely this is within the shouting distance of the domicile of David
Irving according to the last May’s NYT a respected historian with
inappropriate perspective, no longer a Neo-Nazi or lunatic.

Greetings from Polina and thanks for an excellent post.

Candide wrote:

> John Morris wrote:
> >
> > Candide <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >What on earth is wrong with you people? Are
> > >lies and insults your only argument in
> > >discussion?
> >
> > >I gave you a clear link to:
> > >http://www.cwporter.co.uk/k1.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
> >
> > The first thing you should understand is that Carlos Porter is a very
> > bad liar.
> >
> > >It is a document (translated for your
> > >convenience by Carlos W. Porter) introduced
> > >by the Soviets into evidence at the Nuremberg
> > >trial. It opens with the following statement:
> >
> > Yes, it is a document, but it contains no supporting documentary
> > evidence of the Soviet charge.
> > >—————————–
> > >DOCUMENT 054 USSR
> > >Report by a Special Soviet Commission, 24
> > >January 1944, concerning the shooting of
> > >Polish officer prisoners of war in the
> > >forest of Katyn. The executions had been
> > >carried out in autumn 1941 by the German
> > >”Staff of the Construction Battalion
> > >537″. In spring 1943 the Germans, by
> > >blackmailing witnesses into giving false
> > >evidence and by other means, had tried to
> > >make it appear that the Soviet NKWD was
> > >responsible for the shooting of the 11,000
> > >victims.
> > >—————————–
> > >This “document” is an elaborate hoax
> > >describing in minute detail (on some forty
> > >pages of text) how, where and when the
> > >Germans killed the Polish officers whose
> > >mass graves were found at Katyn.
> >
> > >Read it and tell me: is this not a sufficient
> > >example of false evidence given to the
> > >Tribunal by the NKVD?
> >
> > Without a doubt, you have identified a single piece of false evidence
> > presented by the Soviets.
> >
> > But that is not the same as claiming, “It is a well known fact that
> > most (if not all) of the documents presented at Nuremberg trials were
> > fabricated by the NKVD – the Soviet political police, dominated almost
> > entirely by jews.”
>
> I hope it is obvious that this was an accidental
> error on my part. What I intended to say was:
> “… most (if not all) of the documents
> presented by the Soviets at Nuremberg trials
> were fabricated …”
>
> >
> > >Despite your statements to the contrary, the
> > >Katyn massacre WAS very well part of of the
> > >indictment at Nuremberg. Here is a quote
> > >from D. Irving’s ‘Nuremberg, The Last
> > >Battle’:
> >
> > No one claimed that it wasn’t part of the indictment. In fact, it was
> > part of Count Three: War Crimes.
> >
> > What Yale states–and it is quite true–no German defendant was
> > convicted of the Katyn massacre. Rather, the defence successfully
> > rebutted the charge.
>
> Well, not “quite true”. None of the German
> defendants in Nuremberg was found guilty of
> that particular crime, true, but on the base of
> the same false evidence several German
> defendants WERE convicted and publicly
> hanged in Leningrad, during the Nuremberg
> trial.
>
> Also, Soviet prosecutors were not some
> freelancers staging a side show in Nuremberg.
> They were integral part of the prosecuting
> team of the IMT. It was that international
> prosecuting team who made the Katyn
> massacre a part of the indictment, and it was
> the same team who offered bogus Soviet
> documents as evidence. By doing it, the
> Western prosecutors not only compromised
> their professional integrity; they commited a
> criminal offence.
>
> >
> > >”(…) Most outrageously, on General
> > >Rudenkoâ*™s insistence at the very last meeting
> > >of the prosecuting staffs the indictment was
> > >amended to include the murder in the Katyn
> > >forest of 11,000 Polish officers.
> >
> > Irving is right. For once Revisionists are right: it is outrageous
> > that the Soviets tried to pass off their own war crimes as Nazi
> > crimes.
> >
> > >Point 3, paragraph C of the indictment would
> > >read: ‘In September 1941 eleven thousand
> > >Polish prisoners-of-war were killed in the
> > >Katyn forest, near Smolensk.’ ” [end quote].
> >
> > >So, not only did Soviets introduce false
> > >evidence at Nuremberg but they also managed
> > >to attribute their own war crimes to Germans.
> > >And, as if murdering 15,000 (not 11,000) of
> > >defenceless Polish prisoners was not enough,
> > >they also staged a trial of some German
> > >officers who were “directly responsible” for
> > >Katyn massacre, and publicly hanged seven of
> > >them in Leningrad. The film documenting this
> > >execution was shown to the international
> > >members of the Tribunal as part of the after
> > >hours entertainment.
> > >
> > >The Document 054 USSR quoted above is by
> > >no means the only example of the false
> > >testimony fabricated by NKVD and introduced
> > >as evidence at Nuremberg. There are other
> > >”documents”, testifying for example to
> > >4,000,000 gassed at Auschwitz or describing
> >
> > Again, this is a Soviet report with no supporting documentation.
>
> Yes, another outrageous lie offered as
> evidence.
>
> > In
> > this particular case, the Soviets estimated the crematory capacity at
> > Auschwitz and assumed that it ran flat out most of the time. This was
> > a bad assumption as subsequent historical research has borne out.
> >
> > The Tribunal did not cite the Soviet report in its judgment, though.
> > Instead thet cited the testimony of Rudolph Hoess. At Nuremberg,
> > Hoess claimed that Eichmann had told him 2.5 million. But when tried
> > in Poland, Hoess realized that the actual death toll was closer to 1.1
> > million which is, in fact, very close to the death toll cited by
> > Western historians.
> >
> > >the execution steam chambers
> >
> > Sorry. That was part of the US presentation and was based upon Polish
> > reports of observations made at a distance at Treblinka. If Polish
> > winters are as cold as the winters where I live, automotive engine
> > exhaust looks a lot like steam.
>
> Which would suggest Soviets were not alone
> in presenting false evidence. Do you have any
> reference to those mysterious “Polish reports”
> confusing an automotive engine with a steam
> chamber?
>
> > > or underground
> > >electrocution chambers or pedal operated
> > >killing machines,
> >
> > You’ve got me on how gas chambers could be mistaken for electrocution
> > chambers, but I wonder if the other one isn’t a mistake for the metal
> > frame that held prisoners’ heads in place while the “doctors” took
> > racial specimen pictures.
>
> If you saw what pathetic structures pass for
> those so called “gas chambers” in those so
> called “factories of death” you could very
> easily mistake not only a gas chamber for an
> electrocution chamber but the whole “factory”
> for a chicken shack.
>
> > > all of which have since been
> > >proved to be hoaxes.
> >
> > Hoaxes or erroneous information that was long since forgotten until
> > Holocaust deniers had to find something to justify their lies.
>
> Which lies? And by the way, wasn’t your
> battlecry supposed to be: “Never forget!”? 😉
>
> > > Mr. Porter’s website
> > >contains translations of quite a number of
> > >those “documents”, all duly numbered and
> > >referenced as part of authentic Nuremberg
> > >evidence.
> >
> > >I suggest that you read some of them before
> > >publicly making hysterical asses of
> > >yourselves.
> >
> > I suggest you read Mr. Edeiken’s essay on Carlos Porter’s rather free
> > attitude towards evidence before you are mistaken for yet another
> > gullible fool:
>
> I see absolutely no point in wasting time on an
> offensive troll whose polemic methods boil
> down to statements like “you are a liar!” and
> “Porter is full of shit!”.
>
> As to Porter’s attitude, I am not impressed by
> it either, but it is rather irrelevant in this
> discussion. He translated and published on the
> web a series of outrageous, elaborate lies
> submitted as evidence at the Nuremberg trial. I
> am very grateful to him for making that
> material available. If you think he made errors
> or intentional misrepresentations, please,
> share your findings with the rest of us.
>
> Pozdrowienia,
>
> Candide
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> Before you buy.

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John Morris wrote:

Dear Mr. Morris,

Polina

> [snip]
> —
> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Nizkooks are not members of homosapiens.
> They are members of Judeosapiens.” Joe Bellinger, May 17, 1999.

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Dear Mr Morris,

1) you are citing search on OCLC from a day or two ago. I was citing results
>from about five years ago. Time accounts for diffrences.

POlina

Nureemberg Trial is non-contributory to the problem of physical evidence of the
Holocaust/

Polina

John Morris wrote:

> In <3814A[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on Mon, 25 Oct
> 1999 15:18:05 -0400, polin <[email protected]> wrote:

> >Dear John,
>
> >You are citing data from yeasterday. I cited availability from 1995.
>
> >I suspect you will castigate me for not perusing Internet in 1980s or 1970s
>
> >Have reason
>
> Have reason? Tell me how reasonable it is for you to prounounce
> authoritatively on a trial record which you know only by what you have
> read on Revisionist web pages. Tell me how reasonable it is for you
> to claim the right to pronounce authoritatively simply because you
> erroneously believe that the trial record is unavailable to you.
>
> I gave you a list of 22 libraries which allow interlibrary loan. If
> you can’t get across the river to the New York Public Library, have
> them send it to your local library in Queens.
>
> You can use a web browser can’t you?
>
> http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/imt.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
>
> Now you have no excuse for your ignorance. Read the Indictment and
> Judgment in Volume I. That’s the most important part. If you then
> want to assess the validity or quality of the evidence cited in the
> Judgment, *then* go to the individual testimonies of the defendants
> and the testimonies of both prosecution and defense witnesses
> regarding each defendant.
>
> Until then, shut up.
>
> [snip]
> —
> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Fuch the world lets murder people.” — Matt Giwer, October 26, 1999

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Yes, I can show you that they should know.

Do not take my word for it Ask Polish Historical Society POB 8024 Stamford CT
06905 for supporting documentation.

I think they felt that this lie will fly and it flew for nearly four deacades,
until the advent of Revisionism.

Polina Borowska

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <7v3qt2$lj7[email protected]>, Candide <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> […]
>
> >Also, Soviet prosecutors were not some
> >freelancers staging a side show in Nuremberg.
> >They were integral part of the prosecuting
> >team of the IMT. It was that international
> >prosecuting team who made the Katyn
> >massacre a part of the indictment, and it was
> >the same team who offered bogus Soviet
> >documents as evidence. By doing it, the
> >Western prosecutors not only compromised
> >their professional integrity; they commited a
> >criminal offence.
>
> Was the Soviet evidence with respect to Katyn admitted? Prosecution
> teams often introduce evidence at trial, only to find themselves
> unable to prove the case. Witness the Simpson trial, for instance. Are
> you suggesting that only charges which are guaranteed to be successful
> in court should be allowed? I.e. should we throw out our entire legal
> system?
>
> As it turned out, I would think everyone (but the Soviets, of course)
> would be pleased. The Soviets lost their case, and stood exposed
> before the world as the perpetrators of the crime. The bogus evidence
> was rejected by the Tribunal, which conclusively refuted charges of “show
> trial” in the process.
>
> […]
>
> >> Again, this is a Soviet report with no supporting documentation.
> >
> >Yes, another outrageous lie offered as
> >evidence.
>
> ..and rejected by the Tribunal – the system worked, and evidenciary
> standards were applied fairly…
>
> […]
>
> >> Sorry. That was part of the US presentation and was based upon Polish
> >> reports of observations made at a distance at Treblinka. If Polish
> >> winters are as cold as the winters where I live, automotive engine
> >> exhaust looks a lot like steam.
> >
> >Which would suggest Soviets were not alone
> >in presenting false evidence. Do you have any
> >reference to those mysterious “Polish reports”
> >confusing an automotive engine with a steam
> >chamber?
>
> The reports did not confuse an engine with a chamber, they confused
> the exhaust from an engine with steam. That isn’t difficult to
> understand. Again, this charge did not hold up, and was not proven.
> I’d say that’s another plus for the Tribunal.
>
> Can you show that the Prosecution _knew_ the “steam” evidence was
> false at the time they entered it into the Indictment, as the Soviets
> clearly knew their’s was? I don’t know of any evidence that will
> permit us to do that – do you?
>
> […]
>
> >If you saw what pathetic structures pass for
> >those so called “gas chambers” in those so
> >called “factories of death” you could very
> >easily mistake not only a gas chamber for an
> >electrocution chamber but the whole “factory”
> >for a chicken shack.
>
> You have seen them, have you? Can you describe them for us?

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Dear Madams and Sirs,

“The Verdict at Nuremberg.

This implies, that only 1/160th of the Verdict, or 0.62% words refers to
this sine qua none, crucial matter.

In other words, 99,38% of the Nuremberg International Tribunal Verdict
does not bother with this subject.” end of Faurisson’s quote

Sincerely, Polina Borowska,
member of the Polish Historical Society

PS Just for fun, I wrote letter to Prof Faurrison asking how many words
in the verdict are devoted to typhus and other epidemics and delousing
chambers.

I bet five dollars that at least 5,000 words!

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I have a serious doubts that banderivtsy were murderers or more of a murders
than Armia Krajowa. I think the best term for both of them would be Freedom
Fighters.

Bunderivtsy executed some of their UKRAINIAN opponents THE SAME WAY Armia
Krajowa executed their Polish opponents or traitors, or those who sold out
hidden Jews to Germans (about 140 sentences were issued on such POLISH
individuals.

Moreover, Armia Krajowa executed two varsovian, Jews leaders of Biuro Informacji
i Propagandy of the AK, Jerzy Makowiecki and S. Widerszal suspected of
collaboration with the Soviets. The assasins were let in into the secret
apartment of Widerszals as friends or aquaitnances in June 1944. Mr.Widerszal
was shot, Mrs Widerszal, eignt months pregnant was untouched and protected until
she gave birth and soon after the war emigrated with her dauther (so called
pogorobowiec) to UNited STaes. After the war, Soviets, jointly with Armia
Krajowa weterans blamed for this assasination Polish Nationalist Army (NSZ), but
members of the NSZ would not be let in by Wiederszals as starngers and the
killing would be instantly reported to the Nazis. Widerszals lived in Armia
Krajowa safe-house apartment building and his murdere was not reported to German
authorities apparently to perotect other members of the Home Army.

Banderitvtsi are as much murderes as Poles are Jew-killers or as the industrial
murder of the Jews by the Nazis. It is one of the political myths of the WW II.

I am sure that if Armia Krajowa which fought with Ukrainians during 1942-early
1944, would consider Bandertivtsi as murderes they would not join theri forces
in mid 1944 until mid 1946 when AK-WiN went defunct. One of the founding
members of the Polish Historical Society sp Marian Golembiewski decorated with
Virtuti Militari, the highest Polish military honor, and one of 203
Cichociemnych droped with parachute from England over occupied Poland and
commander of AK in Hrubieszow region, also awarded with death sentence by
Judeo-Polish courts in 1945, oragnized the last major battle of the Polish
Uderground which was carried out jointly with Ukrainian Isurgency Army.

Dear Klaudiusz, do you think that if Goloembiewski would consider banderivtsi as
murderers he woudl fight the Free Poland’s last battle with them not in hand to
hand combat but in arm to arm attack on the Soviet NKVD-MVD???

The above described fact are carefuly hidden from Polish public in order to have
a convinent wipping boy.

And while we easily dug out our Polish victims at Palmiry, Treblinka II (about
10,000 ten thousand … I am sure this is news to you hidden from Polish public
in oder not to antagonize Jews) Katyn, Miednoje, Kharkiv and others tell me how
many remains of Polish victims allegedly murdered by Ukrainians have been
forensically examined during the last 50 years?

And when a small mass graves have been ehxumed recently, tell me what
determinations was made that the skeletons were of the Polish populace which was
executed and not died shot and/or wounded, and burned beyond recognition after
being shot or wounded in Volynian lepianki during GErmans attacks along with
units of Ukrainian Police/

Volynuian lepianki or Slavic adobe village homesteads were made of layers of mud
and willow branches easily penetrable by stray bullets and had roofs covered
with strzechy, bone dry straw during dry Wolynian summers ergo highly flammable.

Did Nazis and Ukrainians ordered by them to jonin the pacification and reprisal
actions acted because they hated Kosciuszko, or Polish speach or Polish national
costumes or they felt the lords of the World.

No Sir. They were acting within the international law of conduct of war as
stipulated by the 1907 and 1922 Hague and Geneva convetions that partisant
warfare is stircly verbotten. An Home Army didi not derailed and attack
military transports in Poland but in Lithuanina, Byelorussia and Ukraine in so
the Germans will carry out repraisals on L. B. and U. but not Poles.

Hardly a Wodylowski and Kmicic chivalary.

One of such widespread actions on Kresy against the Germans was called BURZA. I
do expect that my posting will create the same a big storm. But after the each
STORM skys clear and hopefully the blessing of TRUTH will descend on you while
the darkness of martyrological mytholgy and resulting hatrered of Your Neighbor
will fade including Jews.

Respectfully, Polina

For example there is

Klaudiusz Wesolek wrote:

> >From: polin <[email protected]>
> >
> >Activation of Ukrainian diaspora is unnecessary. They are active. >Some
> >of them left America
> >and moved to Kyjv and I think Jaroslava Stecko leading banderite is
> > >elected member of the
> >Ukrainian Duma (Sejm).
> But banderivtsy – the movement of former murderers, plays a very bad role
> in Ukraine. While some people are close to starvation they “feed” them with
> the shovinist poison – I saw the bullshit books they distribute there. And
> while they are presented as a main alternative to communists, many
> Ukrainians start to support communists and postcommunists or don’t want to
> have anything common with politics.
> On the other hand – democrats from Ukrainian diaspora would accept the worst
> shit in Ukraine if it is under a formally democratic cover…
> And generally Polish, Ukrainian and other diasporas in postcommunist
> countries are able only to different kind of “preaching”.
> The exception is Baltic countries. President of Lithuania is from diaspora,
> in Latvia president or prime minister is from diaspora too.
> In Estonia the first minister of defence was a retired American officer and
> we may find many other examples… So those facts spoil Your theory that
> diaspora is active only in the situation, when the country looses
> independence.
> Or maybe Your theory is true only for Poles? Only for Slavs? Or maybe Poles
> in Poland didn’t give the diaspora chance to help them?What do You think?
>
> cheers
>
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Moderator, and anti-Ukrainianite as seen from his yeasterday’s posting,
Klaudiusz Wesolek from Warsaw implicitly recommends attendance at the
memorial services for the 7-10M victims of the Great Ukrainian Famine.

I have been labeled as Ukrainian asshole trying ineffectively to pass as a
Pole.

Still certified Pole Klaudiusz advocates Ukrainian martyrological rituals
while I clandestine Ukrainian recommend ignoring this holocaustian
extrqavaganza in the NYC.

Many Ukrainians died of starvations in 1930-33. But the Polish anti-Soviet
press never stressed this near cataclysm occvuring just behind its borders
and Ukrainan press in America was abivalent about its extent. Morover the
numbers ov victims cited on the banners in protests by Ukrainian in
Munchen before Nuremberg trials cited figures magnitude smaller that soon
after the Trial and the creation of the WW II 6,000,000 count. To outbid
the Jews Ukrainians jumoped to 7,000,000. Presently to offset the Jews even
more they claim 10,000,000. Looks like Ukes are fast learners from the
eternal money changers.

Propagandists counts should and must be discounted. If indeed 7-10M Ukes
starved, where are their mass graves.

Indeed many Ukrainian villages from the surface of the earth in early
1930’s. But the questions remains to what degree it due to starvation or
and deportations to the belt of virgin chernozem (Yes! there is such an
“English” word in the Collegiate Webster’s Dictionary) of “Zelena Ukraina”
Green Triangle,(West of Valdivostok or both.

Clearly, Soviets statistics can not be trusted. However looking in to phone
book of Valdivostok and especially small towns West of Valdivostok would
provide an agenda-less scholar with the answer. My suspicion is that 90% of
inhabitants of these towns speak mostly Russian but all 90% have easily
recognizible Ukrainian surnames.

Same can not be applied to Jews Poland and former Poland’s lands after the
WW II because close to 98 % of them slavicized their Jewish names and
surnames like the parents of our President.

My “pro-Ukrainian” post of about an hour ago, surely will created a storm
among martyrological Poles for denying the Volynian Holocaust. Now all
Ukrainian martyrologically minded fascists will try to bash brains out of my
skull.

With revisionist greetings,

Polina Borowska

[email protected] wrote:

> Begin forwarded message:
>
> Subject: Famine March Update
>
> The famine march is now solidified. On November 20, 1999 there will
> be a
> procession to mourn and remember the 7 – 10 million Ukrainians that
> perished
> as a result of the famine of 1932-1933. The procession will assemble
> at
> 10:00am at St. George’s (on 7th btw 2nd and 3rd Ave.) and at All
> Saints
> Orthodox Church (on 11th btw 2nd and 3rd Ave.). The procession
> departs for
> St. Patrick’s Cathedral at 11:00 am. At about 1:00 p.m. there will
> be a
> mass and prayers at St. Patrick’s (on 5th Ave.)
>
> It is my understanding that many from outside the NYC area will be
> attending
> this commemoration. Some cities have buses that will be transporting
> people
> to the event. You may want to inquire what the arrangements are in
> your
> area.
> Since this takes place on a Saturday, it would be a great idea for as
> many
> of the Ukes to join in on this. – Read on and pass it on…
>
> Please forward this to all who would (should) be interested.
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I have been labeled as Ukrainian asshole trying ineffectively to pass as a
Pole.

Still certified Pole Klaudiusz advocates Ukrainian martyrological rituals
while I clandestine Ukrainian recommend ignoring this holocaustian
extrqavaganza in the NYC.

Propagandists counts should and must be discounted. If indeed 7-10M Ukes
starved, where are their mass graves.

Same can not be applied to Jews Poland and former Poland’s lands after the
WW II because close to 98 % of them slavicized their Jewish names and
surnames like the parents of our President.

With revisionist greetings,

Polina Borowska

[email protected] wrote:

> Begin forwarded message:
>
> Subject: Famine March Update
>
> The famine march is now solidified. On November 20, 1999 there will
> be a
> procession to mourn and remember the 7 – 10 million Ukrainians that
> perished
> as a result of the famine of 1932-1933. The procession will assemble
> at
> 10:00am at St. George’s (on 7th btw 2nd and 3rd Ave.) and at All
> Saints
> Orthodox Church (on 11th btw 2nd and 3rd Ave.). The procession
> departs for
> St. Patrick’s Cathedral at 11:00 am. At about 1:00 p.m. there will
> be a
> mass and prayers at St. Patrick’s (on 5th Ave.)
>
> It is my understanding that many from outside the NYC area will be
> attending
> this commemoration. Some cities have buses that will be transporting
> people
> to the event. You may want to inquire what the arrangements are in
> your
> area.
>
> Since this takes place on a Saturday, it would be a great idea for as
> many
> of the Ukes to join in on this. – Read on and pass it on…
>
> Please forward this to all who would (should) be interested.
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Klaudiusz Wesolek wrote:

snip

> On the other hand – democrats from Ukrainian diaspora would accept the worst
> shit in Ukraine if it is under a formally democratic cover…

I am disapointed in you Klaudiusz. Your martyrological hatred prompts you to
descend to a gutter lanuguae. On the other hand it immidiately taints validity
of your arguments and this is a windfall.

> And generally Polish, Ukrainian and other diasporas in postcommunist
> countries are able only to different kind of “preaching”.
> The exception is Baltic countries. President of Lithuania is from diaspora,
> in Latvia president or prime minister is from diaspora too.
> In Estonia the first minister of defence was a retired American officer and
> we may find many other examples… So those facts spoil Your theory that
> diaspora is active only in the situation, when the country looses
> independence.

Your imprinted (since childhood) hatred blinds you to the obvious. Members of
Ukrainian and Baltic diaspora are active because these countries just gained
independence. Paderevski’s interest in Poland did not end on November 11, 1918
when Poland gained independece, on the contrary. But after a few years his
became less active also due to his age, you will say partially correctly.

Young generation of Balts and Ukrainians is no longer that fanatical about their
independent homelands. I can observe it in Ukrainian contemporaries of my three
half-Ukrainian dauthers who were killed with their father in a car accident
about a dozen of years ago. Same I see among the children of still active
mature Balts and millions of Irishmen. But look at the activity of the
miniscule Tibetan diaspora!

> Or maybe Your theory is true only for Poles? Only for Slavs? Or maybe Poles
> in Poland didn’t give the diaspora chance to help them?What do You think?
>
> cheers

> Klaudiusz
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Good evening,

Why should I write and post while others do it better:

>Clinton’s Call for “Tolerance”
>by Dr. William Pierce
>
>Hello!
>
>I receive a number of letters from listeners who tell me, “Hey, I agree

>with what you say about America’s race problem, but I don’t understand
>why you’re so hard on Jews. Certainly, the Jews who run the media are
>bad, but the rest of them are just like us. Why do you talk about them
>as if they’re non-White?”
>
>Actually, I’ve answered that question a hundred times on my programs.
>Let me answer it again today. As you undoubtedly are aware, Pat
Buchanan
>will be a candidate for President of the United States in next year’s
>election. The other candidates presumably will be George Bush, Jr, for
>the Republicans; and either Al Gore or Bill Bradley for the Democrats.
>At present Buchanan is a Republican, but he may end up running as the
>candidate of a third party, since he is unlikely to beat Bush for the
>Republican Party’s nomination.
>
>I want to make it clear that I am not a Buchanan supporter. Buchanan is

>the only candidate who comes even remotely close to being honest, to
>being a man of principle, a man who means what he says and says what he

>means. I have agreed with some of Buchanan’s positions in the past, but

>we also disagree on a number of fundamental issues, and I will not be
>supporting him, partly because I cannot support the system under which
>all the candidates will be running.
>
>What I think about Buchanan isn’t really important here, though. It’s
>what the Jews think about Buchanan that we’ll talk about today. As you
>might suspect, Buchanan is not a favorite with the Jews. For one thing,

>he’s a conservative. For another thing, he’s spoken out against several

>of the Jews’ favorite wars. And he doesn’t take orders well. So we
>shouldn’t be surprised if they don’t give him rave reviews in their
>media, such as the New York Times or the Washington Post. And they
>don’t. But if you really want to know how the Jews feel about Buchanan,

>you must read what they say about him among themselves. When the Jews
>write in the New York Times or the Washington Post, they are writing
for
>Gentile consumption. But they have their strictly kosher publications,
>which the Gentile public never sees.
>
>An example is New York’s Jewish Press, which bills itself as the
world’s
>largest-circulation English-language newspaper for Jews. Three weeks
>ago, in the October 1 issue of the Jewish Press, a Jewish spokesman,
>Professor Howard L. Adelson, had a column titled “Another Sewer Rat
>Appears.” Professor Adelson wrote, and I quote: “Out of the slime of
the
>sewers and into the filth of the gutter a desperate Patrick J.
Buchanan,
>the neo-Nazi, has crawled into the political arena using anti-Semitism
>as his principal device to secure a future for himself.” That’s the
>first sentence in Professor Adelson’s column, and it’s a bit awkward,
so
>I’ll read it again for you, and you can savor it’s Jewish flavor: “Out
>of the slime of the sewers and into the filth of the gutter a desperate

>Patrick J. Buchanan, the neo-Nazi, has crawled into the political arena

>using anti-Semitism as his principal device to secure a future for
>himself.”
>
>Well that’s just the beginning of a very long column by Professor
>Adelson, and every sentence oozes a vicious, Talmudic hatred. He goes
on
>to say that Buchanan — quote — “always was a neo-Nazi,” whose —
>quote — “ignorance is astounding” and — quote — “reveals the
shallow
>quality of his tortured, sick, defective mind.” Et cetera. In a
separate
>column in the Jewish Press Rabbi Rafael Grossman, the honorary
president
>of the Rabbinical Council of America, gives us his own outpouring of
>Jewish hate against Buchanan.
>
>In another Jewish newspaper, the October 1 issue of the Forward, which
>also is published in New York, Harvard Law School Professor Alan
>Dershowitz writes, and I quote: “Let there be no mistake about it. Pat
>Buchanan is a classic anti-Semite with fascist leanings who hates
Israel
>and loves Nazi war criminals.” — end quote — And Dershowitz raves on

>and on, concluding, and again I quote: “Let us begin to think about Pat

>Buchanan realistically. He is a bigot who appeals to the worst of
>America. That’s why he will always be a loser.” — end of quote —
>
>Actually, that last statement of Dershowitz’s displays the same sort of

>deception that characterizes Jewish statements intended primarily for
>the Gentile public. If Dershowitz really believed that Buchanan always
>will be a loser because he “appeals to the worst of America,” then
>Dershowitz and his fellow Jewish leaders wouldn’t be knocking
themselves
>out to vilify the man. The real meaning of Dershowitz’s statement is
>that the Jews themselves must do everything needed to insure that
>Buchanan becomes a loser and doesn’t gain any influence over American
>policy.
>
>Another Forward article, in the September 24 issue, reports on the
>strategy the Jews are using to keep Buchanan from gaining any
influence.
>The article has a remarkably frank headline, namely, and I quote:
>”Leadership Presses Bush in Bid to Block Buchanan from Republican
>Ranks.” The “leadership” referred to consists of the leaders of the
>whole Jewish community, not just the media bosses: Jews such as Abe
>Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai
B’rith;
>Matt Brooks, executive director of the Republican Jewish Coalition; and

>Ira Forman, executive director of the National Jewish Democratic
>Council. If you think it strange for the head of the Republican Jews to

>be working out a plan with the head of the Democratic Jews to apply
>pressure to the principal Gentile Republican candidate to shut another
>Gentile Republican candidate out of the election, then you still have a

>lot to learn about Jews.
>
>There are many other Jewish leaders and organizations involved in this
>effort to stifle Buchanan. The Forward article lists, for example,
>leaders of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the Conference

>of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, the American
>Jewish Committee, and so on. One of the most interesting
recommendations
>in the Forward article is that the Jews themselves should stay in the
>background in their campaign against Buchanan and should use Gentile
>”front” men as their tools against Buchanan: men such as Republican
>candidate George Bush, Jr, New York real estate developer Donald Trump,

>and Arizona Republican Senator John McCain. The idea is to keep the
>public from understanding that the campaign against Buchanan is a
Jewish
>campaign, lest there be a public reaction against the Jews and in favor

>of Buchanan.
>
>And by the way, both the Jewish Press and the Forward are accessible to

>anyone who wants to check for himself the excerpts I have quoted. The
>Jews try to keep them out of sight of the Gentiles, but they can be
>gotten hold of through any big library. They both have web sites on the

>Internet, although you won’t find the most revealing articles posted
>there. But you can obtain subscription information from their web sites

>and subscribe to them and read everything in them if you really are
>interested.
>
>Now, I’ll say it again: I am not a Buchanan supporter. Buchanan and I
>have quite different policies on a number of issues. Buchanan believes,

>for example, that the United States should give Israel a permanent
>commitment that we will use our weapons and armed forces to guarantee
>Israel’s military superiority over its neighbors. I am totally against
>that. I am simply using this Jewish campaign against Buchanan as an
>illustration of the way the Jews think and the way they work, so that
>you will understand that Jews really are not like White people. They
>have a psychology entirely different from ours. They are a race unto
>themselves, a race with a totally subjective way at looking at the
>world. Buchanan has never attacked Jews as such. He works with Jews; he

>has Jewish associates. He simply refuses to let himself be used as
their
>puppet, the way virtually all the other politicians do. And because of
>this the Jews are consumed with hatred against him and go all out to
>keep him from gaining any public influence in America. The Jews simply
>cannot tolerate an honest, independent Gentile leader. They are scared
>to death of an honest man becoming President — or even a dishonest man

>who is independent, who will not take orders from them: a man they
>cannot control. They understand that they have a tiger by the tail, and

>if they lose their grip they are all goners.
>
>Here’s another illustration: Back during the Nixon period, 25 years
ago,
>I was puzzled as to why the Jews hated Richard Nixon so much, why they
>worked so hard to destroy him. It is true, of course, that Nixon didn’t

>like Jews. I mean, who does? But Nixon did have a Jew, Henry Kissinger,

>running America’s foreign policy. He had another Jew, Leonard Garment,
>as his chief White House counsel. He had a Jew, William Safire, as his
>chief speech writer. He put a Jew, Herb Stein, in as chairman of his
>Council of Economic Advisers. He appointed a Jew, Arthur Burns,
chairman
>of the Federal Reserve. He gave Israel everything the Jews demanded.
But
>the Jews obviously hated his guts, the way they hate Buchanan today.
>Back then I didn’t understand why.
>
>Today I do understand. Richard Nixon, remember, gained his first
>political prominence as a prosecutor of communist spies. And of course,

>virtually all of those communist spies were Jews. The Jews as a whole,
>not just those who were actively involved in communist espionage, never

>forgave Nixon for that. That, coupled with Nixon’s obvious dislike for
>Jews, convinced them that he was a man who couldn’t be trusted, a man
>who might turn on them under the right circumstances.
>
>Another example: I was a physics graduate student at Caltech, in
>Pasadena, back in 1955 and 1956, and I was totally non-political at
that
>time. I used to run around with a fellow physics student who was a Jew,

>Leo Levitt. Leo and I didn’t talk politics, because I wasn’t interested

>in politics, but the two of us were in a group of other students one
day
>when someone mentioned Senator Joseph McCarthy, who a couple of years
>earlier had made headlines by investigating communist subversion in the

>government and in the U.S. Army.
>
>Leo’s whole demeanor changed when he heard McCarthy’s name. He was
>practically foaming at the mouth as he expressed his hatred of Joseph
>McCarthy in the vilest language imaginable. Killing was too good for
>McCarthy, Leo said. He should be tortured to death in fiendish ways,
>which Leo described in detail. Leo’s expression of hatred was so
>vehement that it has stuck in my mind for nearly 45 years. Leo wasn’t a

>practicing communist himself and had never been involved in politics.
He
>was simply expressing a racial hatred that virtually all the Jews, of
>every political persuasion, seemed to have against McCarthy, because
>they regarded him as a threat to the Jews as a whole, a threat to the
>Jewish race.
>
>And the fact of the matter was that McCarthy never targeted Jews, as
>such, in his investigations and never made public statements against
>Jews. Like Nixon, he surrounded himself with Jewish aides, most notably

>Roy Cohn and David Shine. Cohn and Shine had a homosexual affair, and
>Cohn’s efforts to keep Shine from being drafted by the Army and sent to

>Korea made a laughingstock of McCarthy’s committee. The Jews hated

>McCarthy because they were unable to control him and because his
efforts
>were exposing Jewish subversion and the extent of Jewish involvement in

>communism, even though inadvertently.
>
>They hated Richard Nixon because Nixon also had exposed Jewish
>subversion and the extent of Jewish involvement in communism, although
>inadvertently. In addition Nixon did really dislike and distrust Jews
>and often expressed himself on this subject to subordinates in the
White
>House. There’s a lot of whining going on now as White House tapes with
>some of Nixon’s comments about Jews are being made public. This week’s
>issue of Newsweek magazine, for example, whines about Nixon’s taped
>comment that — quote — “most Jews are disloyal. . . . You can’t trust

>the bastards.” — end of quote — The excerpts from the Nixon tapes in
>this week’s Newsweek also gave an example of why Nixon didn’t trust
>Jews. Referring to his work as a Congressional investigator of
communist
>infiltration of the U.S. government, Nixon said, and I quote: “The only

>two non-Jews in the communist conspiracy were Chambers and Hiss. . . .
>The only two non-Jews. Every other one was a Jew.” — end of quote —
>
>Both McCarthy and Nixon, by investigating and exposing communists, had
>frightened and angered Jews collectively. They tried to stay on the
good
>side of the Jews by appointing Jews to important posts — hiring lots
of
>Cohns and Kissingers — but the Jews still considered the two men a
>danger, just as they consider Pat Buchanan a danger today, even though
>Buchanan is willing to give to Israel guarantees which should not be
>given.
>
>And again, when I say that the Jews hate Pat Buchanan, just like they
>hated Joseph McCarthy and Richard Nixon, I’m not talking about just
>Jewish communists or the Jewish media bosses: I’m talking about the
Jews
>as a whole, the Jews as a race. And I know that there are individual
>exceptions. McCarthy had his Roy Cohn and David Shine. Nixon had his
>Henry Kissinger and Leonard Garment and Arthur Burns and the rest. And
>Buchanan has his court Jews also. But don’t be fooled by that. The Jews

>hate Pat Buchanan collectively and subjectively, with the sort of
>vicious, irrational hatred that is peculiar to Jews and not even
>conceivable to us. They are different, and it is correct and necessary
>to think of them as a whole, despite individual exceptions.
>
>While we’re on this subject, let’s explore it a little further. As I
>mentioned earlier, nobody really likes Jews, and that includes
>politicians who surround themselves with court Jews for protection. But

>the Jews tolerate and support some of these Gentile politicians, while
>they undermine and attack others. What accounts for the difference in
>the way they responded to Richard Nixon, say, and the way they respond
>to Bill Clinton?
>
>The answer, in brief, to this question, is that Nixon, despite the
>strenuous efforts he made to please the Jews, despite his willingness
to
>do nearly everything they demanded of him, still held back a bit from
>being the totally willing tool they wanted. Every time they made new
>demands on Nixon, they sensed his hatred. Bill Clinton, on the other
>hand, has no reservations whatsoever about serving the Jews. I’ll give
>you an example.
>
>Last week I told you about the kidnap, rape, and murder of 13-year-old
>Jesse Dirkhising by two adult homosexuals in Rogers, Arkansas, on
>September 26. I told you that the news of this horrible crime had been
>deliberately blacked out of the national news media by the Jewish media

>bosses, but I provided information to help listeners find the news on
>the Internet by going to the web site of the Northwest Arkansas Morning

>News, which did report the crime. Some listeners reported back to me
>that they still hadn’t been able to find the news on the Internet, so
>I’ll add now that the crime also has been reported fairly extensively
in
>the Benton County Daily Record and in the Rogers Hometown News. Some of

>the nastier and more lurid details of the crime are mentioned in these
>two local newspapers. For example, one of the homosexuals, Davis Don
>Carpenter, a 38-year-old hairstylist who brags that he has lived in 26
>states and has boy friends in all 50 states, showed his homosexual
>partner, 22-year-old Joshua Macave Brown, the proper way to tie up and
>position a child for raping, even providing diagrams showing the proper

>procedure and naming the best drug to use for sedating the child during

>the rape.
>
>Well, probably the technique worked well enough for earlier
child-raping
>episodes, but something went wrong when they raped little Jesse
>Dirkhising. When they noticed that the boy had stopped breathing and
was
>turning blue they called 911. Police were met by a stark naked Joshua
>Brown in the hallway, who explained that they — quote — “were just
>playing a game” with the dead child.
>
>One other detail in connection with this crime: on October 2, just six
>days after Jesse Dirkhising was raped to death, President Bill Clinton
>was exchanging hugs and kisses with one of the larger groups of his
>homosexual supporters. He was the speaker at a Democratic fundraiser in

>Los Angeles hosted by a group called Action Now for Gay and Lesbian
>Equality. The perverts donated $850,000 to the Democratic Party at the
>dinner. The theme of Clinton’s talk to the group was that Americans
need
>to become more tolerant of homosexuals and their life-style.
>
>More tolerant. Really. You know, there was a court hearing for
Carpenter
>and Brown on September 28, in Bentonville, the county seat. The local
>people were pretty unhappy, and so the two homosexuals were protected
by
>bulletproof vests and under heavy guard. Even so, a local reporter in
>the courtroom could hear a woman outside yelling that the homosexuals
>would “burn in hell.” If Janet Reno had been there she would have had
>the FBI arrest that woman for intolerance, and Clinton could have
>collected another couple of hundred thousand dollars from the
homosexual
>lobby.
>
>It’s not just that Clinton chose to visit his homosexual supporters in
>Los Angeles and to ignore the murder of little Jesse Dirkhising in his
>home state. The government and the controlled media of this country, by

>encouraging homosexuals, by trying to make us all believe that
>homosexuals should have the same rights as everyone else, that they
>should be allowed to be teachers and Boy Scout leaders, and that we all

>should be nice to them and let them do what they want and not be
>suspicious of them or shun them, created the atmosphere in which the
>murder of Jesse Dirkhising became possible. The two rapists were
>emboldened by all of the propaganda calling for more tolerance for
>homosexuals; by all of the media hullabaloo to win sympathy for Matthew

>Shepard, the homosexual who was killed last year when he tried to pick
>up a “date” in a bar in Laramie, Wyoming. This pro-homosexual
propaganda
>by Clinton and the media not only encouraged homosexuals to come out of

>the closet and flaunt their perversion in public, it led some of them
to
>push harder than before against the heterosexual society around them,
to
>take chances they would not have taken before.
>
>Did I make myself clear? I’m blaming the rape and murder of 13-year-old

>Jesse Dirkising on the Jewish media and on the government which dances
>to the media’s tune. They encouraged Davis Don Carpenter and Joshua
>Macave Brown to take a chance they would not have taken in a more
>traditional moral environment.
>
>I’m also saying that Bill Clinton, by ignoring the homosexual rape and
>murder of Jesse Dirkhising and, just six days after that horrible
crime,
>running off to tell his homosexual supporters in Los Angeles that we
all
>need to be more tolerant of homosexuals and their behavior, proved once

>again to the Jews that he is the sort of man they can trust, the sort
of
>man utterly without honor or scruple or principle they want as our
>President.
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>The text above is based on a broadcast of the American Dissident
>Voices radio program sponsored by National Vanguard Books.
>It is distributed by e-mail each Saturday to subscribers of ADVlist.

From [email protected] Thu Oct 28 21:45:47 EDT 1999
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Subject: Re: Klaudiusz, an Ukrainian Fascist or Faminist?? [central-europe]
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I have been labeled as Ukrainian asshole trying ineffectively to pass as a
Pole.

Still certified Pole Klaudiusz advocates Ukrainian martyrological rituals
while I clandestine Ukrainian recommend ignoring this holocaustian
extrqavaganza in the NYC.

Propagandists counts should and must be discounted. If indeed 7-10M Ukes
starved, where are their mass graves.

Same can not be applied to Jews Poland and former Poland’s lands after the
WW II because close to 98 % of them slavicized their Jewish names and
surnames like the parents of our President.

With revisionist greetings,

Polina Borowska

[email protected] wrote:

> Begin forwarded message:
>
> Subject: Famine March Update
>
> The famine march is now solidified. On November 20, 1999 there will
> be a
> procession to mourn and remember the 7 – 10 million Ukrainians that
> perished
> as a result of the famine of 1932-1933. The procession will assemble
> at
> 10:00am at St. George’s (on 7th btw 2nd and 3rd Ave.) and at All
> Saints
> Orthodox Church (on 11th btw 2nd and 3rd Ave.). The procession
> departs for
> St. Patrick’s Cathedral at 11:00 am. At about 1:00 p.m. there will
> be a
> mass and prayers at St. Patrick’s (on 5th Ave.)
>
> It is my understanding that many from outside the NYC area will be
> attending
> this commemoration. Some cities have buses that will be transporting
> people
> to the event. You may want to inquire what the arrangements are in
> your
> area.
>
> Since this takes place on a Saturday, it would be a great idea for as
> many
> of the Ukes to join in on this. – Read on and pass it on…
>
> Please forward this to all who would (should) be interested.
>
> ————————————————————————
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Subject: Re: Klaudiusz, an Ukrainian Fascist or Faminist?? [central-europe]
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I have been labeled as Ukrainian asshole trying ineffectively to pass as a
Pole.

Still certified Pole Klaudiusz advocates Ukrainian martyrological rituals
while I clandestine Ukrainian recommend ignoring this holocaustian
extrqavaganza in the NYC.

Propagandists counts should and must be discounted. If indeed 7-10M Ukes
starved, where are their mass graves.

Same can not be applied to Jews Poland and former Poland’s lands after the
WW II because close to 98 % of them slavicized their Jewish names and
surnames like the parents of our President.

With revisionist greetings,

Polina Borowska

[email protected] wrote:
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> Subject: Famine March Update
>
> The famine march is now solidified. On November 20, 1999 there will
> be a
> procession to mourn and remember the 7 – 10 million Ukrainians that
> perished
> as a result of the famine of 1932-1933. The procession will assemble
> at
> 10:00am at St. George’s (on 7th btw 2nd and 3rd Ave.) and at All
> Saints
> Orthodox Church (on 11th btw 2nd and 3rd Ave.). The procession
> departs for
> St. Patrick’s Cathedral at 11:00 am. At about 1:00 p.m. there will
> be a
> mass and prayers at St. Patrick’s (on 5th Ave.)
>
> It is my understanding that many from outside the NYC area will be
> attending
> this commemoration. Some cities have buses that will be transporting
> people
> to the event. You may want to inquire what the arrangements are in
> your
> area.
>
> Since this takes place on a Saturday, it would be a great idea for as
> many
> of the Ukes to join in on this. – Read on and pass it on…
>
> Please forward this to all who would (should) be interested.

> ————————————————————————
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> Weatherize Your Home. Learn2 Speak Wine. Learn2 Get by in French.
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>
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From [email protected] Fri Oct 29 15:20:40 EDT 1999
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Subject: Re: Yale, sell copy of video of Eichmann!,
Hoess & Eichmann and murdered Jews
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Gord McFee wrote:

> In <3814A51[email protected]>, on Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:44:43 -0400,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Dear Yale,
> >
> > How much you would charge for the copy of the 1980s video of Eichmann in
which we
> > could see him intermittently and or in spurts continuously pumping his
cheek with his
> > tongue, the pathogmonic sign of Tardive Dyskinesia ergo side effect of
Thorazine/
>
> It is also a sign of being very nervous.

You wwould like to be so, but your local psychiatrist will tell you it is not so. Tardive
Dyskinesia is due to Thorazine and thorazine like psychotropic drugs ONLY not nervousness.

This is you know and do not want to sell me the copy of the videotape or let me know where
it could be bought

Polina

> [deleted]

> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time

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lied Human fat soap was brought by Soviets to Nueremberg
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Sara Salzman wrote:

> “Polina”
>
> My father wrote the definitive textbook on Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder.
>
> Your definitions are completely incorrect. And even before the advent of
> medication for OCD, it was successfully treated through psychoanalysis.

Your father had unique skills, presently it is largely uncurable. Here and
there careere oriented optimistic results are reported, cautiously.

Polina

> I suppose your research on OCD is about as complete as your research pon
> the IMT.
>
> “Polina,” you should be ashamed of yourself for pretending to be
> knowledgeable about subjects that you are so obviously ignorant of.
>
> You’re only embarassing yourself and looking foolish.
>
> Sara
>
> In article <3816399[email protected]>, polin <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >John Talmudicaly splits hair and veers of the principal of the matter.
> >
> >The fact that Justice Jacson lowered himself to using dirty tricks on Spear
> >with vaporisation while he had or should have abandance of uncontrovertible
> >evidence is a great embarassment to this entire [Show] Trial.
> >
> >John also snipped out my questions how Jackson arrived at such “indirect”
> >in the first place e.g. prevarication of Jackson’s or survisor’s
> >
> >Who cares about Nurember?? I do not. The Sulzberger’s New York Times did
> >not even care about Auschwitz for years. But about that subject in the
> >next posting.
> >
> >Polina,
> >
> >PS Some readers asked me in e-mail how come that I do not react to
> >invectives slurs personals and gutter language of my holocaustian
> >opponents.
> >
> >My response is the following.
> >
> >1) I know that I will never convince about anything Mr Morris Drs Keren and
> >Gorski a.k.a ORAC or Yale or Philps or even K. Mc Vay. HOwever,
> >
> >2) I use them as convenient sounding board and use their frequently
> >irrational and uncivil responses as a forum
> >
> >3) I am not afraid that by stating that I will lose them. They are
> >primarlily compulsive-obsessive arguers and only secondarily
> >Holocasutians. No reason, NOTHING will stop compulsive-obsessive
> >individual. There are no effective therapies known for this condition or a
> >trait.
> >
> >4) HOw do I know that they are compulsive obsessive? Because they do not
> >heed the Holocaustianity party line which forbids debate with Revisionist
> >and because of their persistance and lack of rationality and reason in
> >their responses.
> >
> >5) How do I know that I am not compulsive-obsessive [CO] myself?
> >
> >a) CO restrict themself to one subject be it Holocaustianity or brushing
> >theeth before and after every meal or even drink, or washing their hands 66
> >times a day before and after opening the refrigerator. MOreover CO could
> >not stop their rituals or activity.
> >
> >You will notice that I post on various subjects and with temporary hiatuses
> >(hiati ?? in Latin?) when I am busy with every day matters. For me posting
> >on the net is an educational entertainment.
> >
> >b) virtually all CO are pedantic even in spelling and I am to lazy to
> >bother to do the spell check since I learned that you will read me anyway
> >atrocious errors in spelling and syntax as well as occasional inaccuracies
> >in the historical details.
> >
> >Greetings to all from Polina
> >even to my oponents
> >
> >John Morris wrote:
> >
> >> In <7v29n[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on 25 Oct 1999 19:06:21
> >> GMT, [email protected] (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >> >polin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>Astonishing!
> >>
> >> >The only “astonishing” item here is your apparently deliberate attempt
> >> >to suggest that unproven information from the Indictment had any
> >> >bearing upon the Judgment.
> >>
> >> I must demur. Using the keywords “Auschwitz,” “atomic,” and
> >> “experiment,” I am unable to find any reference in the Nuremberg
> >> indictments to an experiment to vaporize Jews at Auschwitz with atomic
> >> weapons.
> >>
> >> It is plain that Jackson’s question–the sole reference in the entire
> >> proceedings–was merely an indirection to induce Speer to testify
> >> about rumours which the Nazis employed to prolong the war.
> >>
> >> You are right that there is no question whether Jackson attempted to
> >> prove that such an experiment took place. He did not.
> >>
> >> This thread has become a mere demonstration of Mr. Dragan’s
> >> credulousness when dealing with information from Revisionist web
> >> pages.
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >> —
> >> John Morris <[email protected]>
> >> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> >> —
> >> “Nizkooks are not members of homosapiens.
> >> They are members of Judeosapiens.” Joe Bellinger, May 17, 1999.

> “I am an agitator, and an agitator is the center
> post in a washing machine that gets the dirt out.”
> Jim Hightower

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Sara’s Holocasutian responses are usually embarassingly irrational. Thus I do not
bother to respond to them. However she has a better day today in a different field
than the Holocaust and also she errs she deserves response:

Your level of ignorance of psychiatry is acceptable as you are partially correct.
However you are either ingnorant or malicious that you withold information that
Tardive Dyskinesia sometimes occurs after a few dozes of thorazine like drugs and
most of the time is permanent.

Please do not take my word for that. The largest (on thousands of patients) study
of tardive dyskinesia and its natrual history and frequency has been conducted by a
Jewish doctor at the Yale School of Medicine a few years ago. I spoke with him
personally about this matter about three years ago. I do not remember his name
right now but call Dept of Psychiatry at the Yale Med School and they will give you
his name. Or try tardive dyskinesia on search engine but you will probably get
thousands references.

Polina

Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Gord McFee
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In <3813CAC[email protected]>, on Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:13:18 -0400,
> >polin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Mr. K.
> >>
> >> I do not understand your question and did not say he lied.
> >>
> >> Hoes as you know grossly exaggerated the number of victims of his camp
> in order to
> >> be in accord with the data of his captors i.e. the 4,000,000 which is
> now greatly
> >> reduced by the orthodox holocaustian scholars and politicians.
> >
> >Hoess never mentioned a 4 million figure. He mentioned 2.5 million
> >which he later lowered to 1.13 million.
> >
> >> Being the Commandant he had to be The Source of the primary statistics
> and not
> >> Eichmann and Berlin.
> >
> >The statistics were forwarded to Eichmann in Berlin, who had all the
> >records.
> >
> >> He was simply forced to sign the confessions/testimony by his captors.
> I think
> >> that much is clear.
> >
> >No, that much is baloney. He wasn’t forced to sign anything.
> >
> >> In regard to Eichmann, his testimony about the geysers of blood in Lemberg is
> >> foerensically absurd. There is an old Roman legal maxime -saying
> “once a laiar
> >> always a lair”, unless proven otherwise.
> >
> >Eichmann’s testimony was corroborated.
> >
> >> More interesting is why Eichmann “lied” on the witness stand in
> Jerusalem or in
> >> interogation room.
> >
> >Cite the lies.
> >
> >[deleted]
> >
> >> When I watched that program I was struck dumb for two reasons:
> >>
> >> 1) Eichmann in the glass booth was constantly pumping his tongue
> against his cheek
> >> in a unmistakenable, incontroveritble Tardive Dyskinesia movement. So
> far Tardive
> >> Dyskinesia has been described only as the common, permanent and
> disabling side
> >> effect of Thorazine a potent and the first of the modern psychotropic
> drugs, the
> >> mainstay, to this day, of modern psychiatry.
> >
> >ROTFL! Eichmann was bloody nervous and with good reason.
>
> I’m sorry I missed this one first time around, for forgive me for
> responding to Polina via your post, Gord.
>
> My son is on medication that can cause tardive dyskenesia, so we have done
> a great deal of research on it.
>
> Tardive dyskenesia is the result of LONG_TERM use of psychotropic drugs.
> LONG-TERM. Like YEARS, 5-10 years in institutions with extremely HIGH
> dosages. It is also NOT permanent and goes away when the drugs are
> withdrawn.
>
> Unless the Israelis had Eichmann on incredibly high doses of psychotropic
> drugs (making him virtually catatonic) for a few YEARS, it would be
> impossible for him to manifest symptons of it.
>
> Current medical theory includes the belief that it may actually be MODELED
> behavior among institutionalized psychiatric patients.
>
> Your information about Tardive Dyskenia, like your information about
> Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, is again, completely incorrect.
>
> I really believe you are your own worst enemy, “Polina.” Each time you try
> to sound educated, you only prove how very little you know.
>
> I strongly advise you to stay out of medical discussions especially,
> You’ve proven how little you know and how easily you are debunked.
>
> Sara

> “I am an agitator, and an agitator is the center
> post in a washing machine that gets the dirt out.”
> Jim Hightower

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I planned not to take part in this discussion for some time any more.

But what I see on my screen below is shocking:

The keyboard’s to-the-right arrows should indicate my text. And, instead, I see that they indicate doctored text by Curtis in a such a manner that one might think that I have written pro-Holocaustian arguments!

Moreover, Curtis delated Faurisson text which indicates that Judges in 99.6% of the VERDICT did not bother with the homicidal gas chambers.

Since I am quite new on the Internet I might be missing something and accusing
Curtis of major fraud without justification.

More expierenced Interneters, Please correct me or confirm my suspicion by email.

Thanks, Poliha

Mike Curtis wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Dear Madams and Sirs,
> >
> >The prolonged and interesting discussion about the Nuremberg Show Trials
> >nears end. I would like to conclude it under a different title by
> >translating from German a part of a recent letter by the father of the
> >modern Holocaust Revisionism Prof Robert Faurisson from France:
> >The depositions of the accused will follow at the next posting. Then
> >we will head into the defense protion of the case against Irma Grese.
> >
> I changed my mind and will present the depositions of the accused as
> they come up for direct testimony.
>
> Instead we will start with major Winwoods opening remarks for Josef
> Kramer. Within these remarks some concessions and admissions are made.
>
> page 150:
>
> “The gas chamber existed, there is no doubt about it. There is very
> little question about its purpose being to remove from Germany that
> part of the population which had no part in German life. The way it
> was done was by selections which took place when the transports
> arrived at the station, and later, inside the camp. These selections
> were ordered by Hoess, and later by the Kommandant who relieved
> him, and invariably they were presided over by a doctor. . . . Present
> at these selections were certain S.S. people. Large numbers of
> transports were coming in, and when thinks that a lot of these people
> knew what they were coming to Auschwitz for, I think it is fair to
> say that a good deal of control was needed when they arrived. These
> transports came into Auschwitz No. 2, Birkenau, because the gas
> chamber was situated there, and it was Kramer’s misfortune that he was
> Kommandant of that part.
>
> [ . . . ]
>
> With regard to roll-calls, Kramer, as Kommandant, did not take part in
> them, but he will tell you that a roll-call is an essential part of
> running any camp of any kind. As to ill-treatment and beatings, he
> will tell you that as he went up and down the camp he never did
> himself see any S.S. man or Kapo indiscriminately beating or
> ill-treating any of the internees. He never saw men or women members
> of the S.S. carrying sticks, rubber truncheons, or any articles of
> torture of which we have heard so much. He will tell you that S.S.
> men and women were authorized at Auschwitz to carry pistols as part of
> their uniform and for self-protection in view of the numbers of
> internees as compared with themselves.
>
> [ . . .]
>
> Now for direct-examination of Kramer on these points.
>
> Josef Kramer is questioned by his defense council, Major Winwood (pp.
> 157-158):
>
> Q: When you arrived at Auschwitz who was the Kommandant of the whole
> camp?
>
> A: Obersturmbannführer Hoess. It was a very large camp and was
> subdivided into Camp Nos. 1, 2 and 3. I was Kommandant of Camp No. 2,
> Birkenau.
>
> Q: Will you explain to the Court how it is that, in the first
> statement you made, you said the allegations referring to gas
> chambers, mass executions, whipping and cruelty were untrue?
>
> A: There are two reasons for that. The first is that in the first
> statement I was told that the prisoners alleged that these gas
> chambers were under my command, and the second and main reason was
> that Pohl, who spoke to me, took my word of honour that I should
> remain silent and should not tell anybody at all about the existence
> of the gas chambers. When I made my first statement I felt still bound
> by this word of honour which I had given. When I made the second
> statement in prison, in Celle, these persons to whom I felt bound in
> honour — Adolf Hitler and Reichsführer Himmler — were no loner alive
> and I thought then that I was no longer bound.
>
> Q: Did Kommandant Hoess say anything to you about the gas chambers?
>
> A: I received a written order from him that I had nothing to do with
> either the gas chambers or the incoming transports. The Political
> Department which was in every camp had a card index system of
> prisoners and was responsible for personal documents and for any sort
> of transports or incoming prisoners. At Auschwitz the Political
> Department was also responsible for all the selections from incoming
> transports for the gas chamber. In the crematorium the S.S. and
> prisoners — Sonderkommando — were under the command of the
> Kommandant of Auschwitz, Hoess. As the place where the transports
> generally arrived was in the middle of my own camp I was sometimes
> present at their arrival. The people who took part in supervising and
> who were responsible for the security were partly from Auschwitz No.
> 1, and partly from my own camp at Birkenau, but the selection of these
> people who had to supervise was done by the Kommandant of Auschwitz
> No. 1. The actual selections of the internees were made only by
> doctors. Those who were selected for the gas chambers went to the
> different crematoria, those who were found to be fit for work came
> into two different parts of my camp, because the idea was that in a
> few days they were to be re-transferred to different parts of German
> for work.
>
> Q: did you yourself ever take part in any selections?
>
> A: No, I never took part, nor did the other S.S. members of my staff.
> I do not know exactly who the doctors got their orders from, but I
> think it was probably from Dr. Wirtz, the senior doctor of the camp.
> The doctors lived together in Auschwitz No. I where the headquarters
> were.
>
> Q: What did you think of the whole gas chamber business?
>
> A: I asked myself, “Is it really right about these persons who go to
> the gas chambers, and whether that person who signed for the first
> time these orders will be able to answer for it?” I did not know what
> the purpose of the gas chamber was.
>
> [ . . .]
>
> Q: Were the S.S. men and women allowed by the Kommandant to carry
> weapons?
>
> A: In Auschwitz the S.S. men and women had their revolvers or guns,
> and the Audseherinnen, probably on the authority of my predecessor or
> Hoess, had permission to carry revolvers. They were not allowed to
> carry any other sort of weapon. Once when a transport arrived I saw
> that some of the S.S. men had walking-sticks, but I was afraid that
> they might use these for corporal punishment, and I gave the order
> that they were to be taken away. If any other S.S. men carried sticks
> or unauthorized weapons they did it against my orders.
>
> [ . . . ]
>
> Q: Were there dogs in Auschwitz?
>
> A: Yes, in Birkenau. There was a special guard company responsible for
> these dogs, which had nothing to do with administrative personnel, and
> they were distributed to different working squads out on agricultural
> work.
>
> [. . . ]
>
> [Now on to his cross-examination by Major Backhouse (p. 174): ]
>
> Q: I suggest to you that you went on lying about the gas chamber until
> you were shown a photograph which had been taken of one at Natzweiler,
> and that was the first time you admitted the existence of such a
> thing?
>
> A: It was not so, because between the two statements I was not asked
> any more.
>
> […]
>
> Q: What was the purpose of the Natzweiler camp?
>
> A: To let prisoners work in a quarry near by?
>
> Q: Were the prisoners not regularly supplied from that camp to
> Strasbourg for experiments?
>
> A: No.
>
> Q: Was there no gas chamber there before you arrived?
>
> A: No.
>
> Q: Was it constructed under your instructions and did you quite
> deliberately gas 80 prisoners in that gas chamber?
>
> A: Yes, on the orders of Reichsführer Himmler.
>
> […]
>
> Q: Did you force these people into the gas chamber yourself?
>
> A: Yes.
>
> Q: Did you actually put the gas in yourself and watch them inside as
> they died through a peephole you had made?
>
> A: No.
>
> […]
>
> Q: Did you not describe that the women continued to breathe for about
> half a minute?
>
> A: One could hear that. It was not necessary to observe.
>
> Q: Were you not chosen as Kommandant of Birkenau because you had
> proved yourself willing to do this sort of thing?
>
> A: No, I do not think so, because I got a special order that I had
> nothing to do with either crematoria or transports.
>
> Q: When Kommandant Pohl demanded your word of honour not to talk about
> the gas chambers, why was it that you could not tell anybody if it was
> all legally proper and above board?
>
> A: I do not know. Nothing could be said about concentration camps in
> the outside world.
>
> […]
>
> Q: Was the purpose of the gas chambers not a part of the determination
> of your Party to try and exterminate the Jewish race and all the
> intelligent people of Poland?
>
> A: I do not know.
>
> […]
>
> [Kramer is questioned by the Judge Advocate (p. 181): ]
>
> Q: When a Jew was gassed and cremated at Auschwitz was any official
> record made in the records of the country of that person’s death?
>
> A: I do not think so. All these things were done by the Political
> department of Auschwitz No. 1.
>
> [Colonel Backhouse cross-examines Mrs. Rosina Kramer, the wife of
> Joseph Kramer (p. 183): ]
>
> Q: You said that Hoess had been sent to Auschwitz for the incoming
> transports. what transports were these?
>
> A: I believe these were the transports which were destined for the gas
> chambers.
>
> Q: You knew about the gas chambers, then?
>
> A: Everybody in Auschwitz knew about them.
>
> Mike Curtis
>
> From Ambrose Bierce:
>
> CHRISTIAN, n.
> One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book
admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor.
One who follows the teachings of Christ in so far as they are not inconsistent
with a life of sin.
>
> CONVERSATION, n.
> A fair to the display of the minor mental commodities,
each exhibitor being too intent upon the arrangement
of his own wares to observe those of his neighbor.
>
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>
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Good evening,

Virtually every Japaneese city over 50,000 was firestormed in winter and spring 1945.
Dresden, Cologne contained no military industry and no military significance. While
the Germans were good at Blitzkrieg and their industrial murdering draged out for year
by spurts and starts, the Brits and the Yanks perfected Blintzing civlians.

One hundred baysdoor pop open, white smoke puffs from 1,000 phosphoruses and five
minutes later 50,000 krisp Japaneese krisp elders, mothers and children are ready to be
flipped over while embers from their paper-homes fly all over.

Then in a mid-Summer the time came for the high level mushroom of the
Einstein-Oppenheimer creation and in one zap we vaporized the for-a-split-of-a second,
blintzes of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The WW II started with the Dictators Blitzkrieg and ended with the Democracies
Blintzkrieg.

Polina Borowska

PS To the readers of these groups:

1) J. Morriss and others Holocaustians systematically change the subject of discussion
in order to forget their dillemmas and trivialize the debate. That is their strategem
for the last few months I am on the Internet.

2) Below J. orrris seems not to notice that when a murderer comitts and signle act of
charity he does not becom an angel. Because Nurmeberg Tribunal did not incorporated
the Katyn Massacre into its Verdict and did not consider Soviet evidence as credible it
does not meant that in all other decisions they were right.

On the contrary, by even considering a fake evidence for evidence and NOT screaming
bloody murder while they noticed that, they became as guilty as the Soviets. The test
of appropriatnes on the Victors was much higher then on the vanquished.

Instead, the IMTribunal swept this under the carpet and the no longer screened by the
military censors media of the Allies contributed to the continuation for years of the
cover up on the Katyn Massacre.

Nuremberg was a farce and the Show Trial from the begining to the end.

They were to discharge justice and what they discharged was continuation of
philo-Semitic propaganda with e.g. with 2,000,000 Jews steamed at Treblinka I, being
silent about exhumed mass graves of 10,000 Poles at the Treblinka II, silent about
10,000 skeletons of Ukrainian political prisoners exhumed in 1943 in Vinnytsa, they
supressed the existance of the aerial photos of all alleged massacre sites (because
they were negative) etc, etc, etc.

Instead, they gave us testimonies of survivors and testimonies of German perpetrators.

While should we believe Germans in US custody when they admitted to the crimes they did
not commit (at Katyn) in Soviet custody!!!!

John Morris wrote:

> In <38[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on Wed, 27 Oct
> 1999 17:10:54 -0400, ramcke <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Very interesting thread, but I am confused, maybe someone can enlighten me.
>
> >The Soviets come to court ready to prosecute some Nazis for the Kaytn Forest
> >murders. The evidence is found to be full of holes and in fact points to the
> >Soviets as the perpetrators. The charges against the Nazis are dropped and that’s
> >the end of the story? Am I missing something here?
>
> That’s it as far as Nuremberg goes. Perhaps the Western Allies should
> have convened a separate court to the try the Soviets.
>
> Of course, getting the Soviets to agree to stand trial and to discover
> evidence against themselves was a bit of a non-starter.
>
> >What I am getting from this is that only atrocities committed by the Nazis are
> >horrific, but crimes committed by the Allies are OK. ???????
>
> No one is saying that Katyn was okay. It was a terrible crime. It’s
> just that the one false allegation that Revisionists are able to point
> to turns out to demonstrate that the Nazi leaders actually a got a
> fair trial: they were able to call witnesses and present evidence to
> rebut the charges against them. Unfortunately for them, the vast
> majority of the charges were true.

> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Fuch the world lets murder people.” — Matt Giwer, October 26, 1999

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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Sara’s Holocasutian responses are usually embarassingly irrational. Thus
> >I do not
> >bother to respond to them. However she has a better day today in a
> >different field
> >than the Holocaust and also she errs she deserves response:
>
> Interesting comment from someone who proved that the Nuremberg
> Tribunal was not a show trial by trying to show that it was…. the
> same self-styled “revisionist” (in your dreams) that claimed expertise
> with respect to the Nuremberg Tribunal but finally admitted she hadn’t
> read the transcripts.
>
> Whadda maroon.

In my title I stated disparagingly Who cares about Nuremberg. In text I
clearly indicated that I am not and do not plan to be an expert on this Show
Trial, that its analysis might be considered as fun and relaxation but only
draws away from the essential lack of physical evidence to confirm the
industrial murder of Jews.

If Germans in Soviet custody admited to the massacre at Katyn of 10,000 Poles
(actually only 4,500 POW’s were shot at Katyn the rest in the then still
secret Kharkiv and Miednoje and other locations) one must consider, until
proven otherwise, that Germans in western custody were tortured equally.

Polina

PS It seems that in last two years while seen the wilting of the Holocaust
you try to hang your hat on the Nuremberg’s authority. It will not carry
you for long. Imprisonment of revisionists will make things worse.

Is there any honorable way out for you from this Holocasutian mess?

Somehow you sneaked out of the myth of Massada without rasing to much waves.
Perhaps you should use it as a guide.

You somehow got out of the lies of the First World Word holocaust of the
6,000,000 Jews and 800,000 Jewish children in Poland and Ukraine “dying due
to the lust for Jewish blood” being incierated by the Poles in Lemberg in
synagoges 1,100 souls at one clip (The New York Times, Novemger 30 1918).
Perhaps this is a good precedence and a lesson how to do it this time.

We Poles also have to learn how to demytholgize our history from
myrtyrolgical myths and hatereds.

Poolina

> The Nizkor Project: An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
> Search: https://nizkor.org/search.html Broken link
> “What I say does not make it true.” Matt Giwer, In his cups.
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

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From [email protected] Fri Oct 29 15:20:42 EDT 1999
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Subject: Zyklon B skirted by Seweryna>>> Who cares about Nuremberg Tribunal…
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Dear Mr Mc Vay

I do not know how it works in Canad where you apparently reside.

In US it is immaterial what was said in court during trial. It is material and it is
The Truth what is contained in the Judgement. Moreover the Judgement becames The Law
and the Precedent, unless the judgement is overturned by a higher court.

Thus if a Jury decides and Judge Wise in Queens NY writes it in a valid VErdict that
Joe Blow kileed Jane Doe, that it the Truth and that is the Law.

There is no other way out of this determination unless the Appelatte Court of the New
York STate in Albany about six Superwise Justices say the Queens’ Judge conducted
unfair trial and misled the Jury.

The same practice applies to the US Federal Courts. Unless the US Appelate Circuit
Court or the US Supreme Court overrules the lower court the trial court Verdict stays
as THE LAW and THE TRUTH.

I think I am correct to applies these rules to the Nurmberg Tribunals. Since there
was no Appelate or Supreme Tribunal organized, the Nuremberg Verdict will stand for
ever as the Truth and The Law.

For the reason of the American practice, the rulings of the Nuremberg Tribunals have
been into the French so called Faurisson-Lex or anti-Revisionist Gouot Law.

Thus if Prof Faurisson is correct and the French Verdict of 84,000 words refers
obliquely and unclearly to the homicidal gas chambers in about 540 words or conversly
it discusses the epiphenomenal homicidal gas chambers in 0.62% of its lenght, it is
wrong for you and ILLEGAL, and Revisionist to keep posting after posting about
Treblinka or the gas Chambers of Auschwitz.

If the INternational Justices decreed in their Verdict that only 0.62% of their time
and attention should be directed to this mniscule margin of the Nazi crimes against
the humanity, you should conform to this Law and forget about the gas chambers.

You do not want to do anything illegal Mr Mc Vay? Do you?

On the other hand Generals Eisenhower and De Gall and PM Churchill should be
posthumosly reprimanded for illegally “forgeting” completely to include the mention
about the gas chambers in their memoires. When they wrote their volumes it was The
Law to talk in about 0.62% of their text about the gas chambers.

Hell, these fellows were so busy during the WW II that the chambers skipped their
minds. Nor they bothered to bomb them, perhaps because the mind of the Fat Winston
invented them against the evil Huns.

It is also funny that the survivors who anxiously waited in vain for them for years
at the death camps forgot about them right after the completion of the Nuremberg
Trials.

And a Polish Jewess, Seweryna Szmaglewska who was first survivor to finish her
ggovernmental bestseller (so far 52printigs) The Somke over the Birkenau on July 7
1945, hardly mentioned the gas chambers at all. Dozens of month went by before Dr
Nyszli (it is sure the book was not written by a pathologist) … whoever or whatever
he was completed his opus about the dr Mengele in response to the Nurember trial.
And then another hiatus until the US refused to increase the aid to Israel and the
responsive instant Eichmann capture and another show trial followed by the invention
[re] introduction of the term of the holocaust followed by the flood of
Holocaustiana.

I think I know what you will find wrong with this post and how you will change the
subject to interject the damage control

Polina

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Or you are consider Nuremberg prosecutors STUPID? You, a nobody, a legal and
> >forensic layman, today know that the STEAMING story of 2,000,000 was false. How
> >come the multitueds of professionals at Nurembers could not figure it out?
>
> They did figure it out – that’s why it does not appear in the
> Judgment.
> <PLONK>
>
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Subject: Re: Vasilenko’s twin brother testimony >>Holocaust Almanac:
Treblinka, Vasilenko Interrogation
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Good evening,

If we should believe Vasilenko then we should also belive his intlectual
and consciencious twin brothers who testified against the Germans during
the Leningrad trial, that the accused Germans killed 10,000 Polish
officers at Katyn.

If we agree that Leningrad’s “Vasilenkos” lied why we have to believe that
Kyiv’s Vasilenko el al were telling the truth and only truth???

Polian

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> Archive/File: camps/aktion.reinhard/treblinka vasilenko.001
> Last-Modified: 1994/10/06
> Source: The United States Department of Justice
>
> EXCERPT From Record of Interrogation of Defendant
>
> City of Kiyev 18 September 1961
>
> On this day and in accordance with the requirements of Articles 143
> and 145 of the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Ukrainian SSR, Lt.
> Colonel LYSENKO, Senior Investigator of the Investigating Department
> of the Committee of State Security of the Council of Ministers of the
> Ukrainian SSR, interrogated the defendant –
>
> VASILENKO, Sergey Stepanovich, born in 1917, native and resident
> of the village of Lenino, Radomishl’ district, Zhitomar Region,
> a Ukrainian, citizen of the USSR.
>
> The interrogation began at 10.15 a.m.
>
> Question: Who else do you know of the basis of common service in the
> German SS formations in the Treblinka death camp?
>
> Answer: On the basis of common service in German formations I know
> these individuals:
> …..
> FEDORENKO – I do not know his first name, he served in the platoon of
> YEGER’, had the rank of “SS Rotenwachman”.
>
> All the above mentioned by me persons, while in service in the “SS
> Sonderkommand” of the Treblinka death camp, took direct part, as I
> did, in the extermination of people there in gas chambers and by
> shooting – in this consisted the service of each one of them; all of
> them took part in unloading people from the railroad cars, in chasing
> them into the undressing areas and the gas chambers; they also shot
> people down in the infirmary and all of them showed great brutality to
> these people, beat them up, that is did all that the Germans required
> of them.
>
> Question: Where were you sent from the Treblinka death camp and when?
>
> Answer: In the fall of 1943, after the camp in Treblinka had been
> burnt by rioting worker crews, the majority of the guards belonging to
> the “Sonderkommand” were sent to Trawniki where there was a sort of
> transfer point. I fell into this group. We stayed for a while in
> Trawniki and then were sent together with a team to Oranienburg, where
> we likewise stayed about two-three weeks. We had no duties in Trawniki
> and in Oraneinburg.
>
> That same year of 1943, at the end of the year, some of the guards
> were sent from Oranienburg to the Stutthof concentration camp. I was
> sent there. FEDORENKO … and other guards, the names of whom I do not
> now remember, were also transferred with me to Stutthof for guard
> duty.
>
> The interrogation was conducted with a break from 1 p.m. to 2.50 p.m.
> and was ended at 5.30 p.m.
>
> The record was read to me at my request and has been taken down from
> my words correctly. (SIGNATURE)
>
> Interrogation made by: SENIOR INVESTIGATOR OF INVESTIGATION DEPARTMENT
> OF THE COMMITTEE FOR STATE SECURITY OF THE COUNCIL OF MINISTERS OF THE
> UKRAINIAN SSR, Lt. Colonel LYSENKO
>
> The Excerpt is true: FIRST DEPUTY PROCURATOR OF THE CRIMEAN REGION
> Senior Councillor of Justice KUPTSOV
> “29” March 1976.
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Subject: Re: A Question for the “Polish History Society”
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