Patr 4, Borowska Polin

Yale F.Edeiken wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> >
> >
> > “Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:
>
> > > polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > > <[email protected]>…
> > > > My title is self explanatory
> > >
> > > And once more displays your ignorance.
> > >
> > > The proof of the experimental attempts to make soap from human
> flesh was
> > > brought by the British based on evidence that they developed.
>
> > 1) Soap can not be made from any “flesh”.
>
> Wrong. Soap is routinely made from animal fat.

In my comprehension “flesh” = meat and fat is not “flesh”. English is a living
language and is used variously by different people. In earlier postings of two days
ago I explained the chemistry of production of fat by hydrolysis of the fatty acids –
glycerol esters (animial fat) and creation of faty acid + sodium hydroxide a water
soluble fat. From 1945-1947 while I was growing up as a little girl in a Polish
village all the soap we used was made at home because it was not available in the
village store. The chemistry of this process I learned in the sixth grade. Do not
trust me that I cite this “scholastic” knowledge, about 50 years old exactly. Do not
trust me as an eyewitness or any eyewitness unless mine and their testimony is proven
by physical evidence.

> I have frequently done so using recipes from the 18th century.

I knew that we have something in common

> > 2) Studying the two dozens of fat volumes of Nurmemberg trial proceeeings
> is
> > trying. Virtrually all of public libraries got rid of them because they
> were not
> > used by their readers. None of the 23,000 libraries being part of the
> OCLC have them
> > available for interlibrary loans.
>
> They are being made available on the Internet.

According to yesterday communication – posting of K. Mc Vay they are being made so
still not available in entirety. Dont you read his posts???

> Further more than 10 libraries within a normal drive from my house in
> Allentown PA have copies.

Please, PLEASE give it to me their names by e mail so I might call each of them and
convince them to sell to me their dust-collecting and space occupying volumes. Do not
post their names on Internet because other Revisionists might outbid me!

After I call them all of them then you can and should list them on the Net.

> > I live in Queens, NY and believe it or not I found the only incomplete
> but the most
> > complete set, and most accessible to me, on which was one in the
> basement of the
> > obsucre International Law Library at Yale University in New Haven CT!
>
> A copy is in the New York Public Library. The Columbia School of Law has
> a copy as well. You will find that both the Red and Blue series (I’m sure
> you know what they are since you’re an expert on them) are both complete.
> There is a volume of the Green Series missing from both collections.

Thus even in NYC ivory towers the sets are incomplete. I missed the point that I
wrote “which were most accessible to me.” Due to my physical disability I can not
travel by subways to Manhattan. Moreover, if I drive alone I have to use nearby
parking which costs up to $19.00 per hour. I can not aford this. It is less
expensive for me to drive to 60 miles to New Haven than to 5 miles to nearby
Manhattan.

I am astonished that poor and punny Allentown PA area libraries have Nuremberg
proceedings. On the way to New Haven the weathiest public library in the world, the
Greenwich Public Library (just two years ago they received $13,000,000 from the
heiress of the American Tabacco Co, the largest single donor bequest received by a
library in America) does not have the Preoceedings, discarded long time ago. 15 miles
further up on the Interstate 95 there is a public library with the highest expenditure
per person for new book ( about $22,00) in America combined with the highest lending
rate of books per person per year.

This is the Darien Public Library. Darien is a small NYC bedroom community of about
20,000 individuals which while it discarded its Nurmeberg Proceedings it holds on its
shelfs about 40 copies of the [adultered] allegedly authentic Diary of Ann Frank.

The community whith the highest readership in the country was not interested in the
Nuremberg proceedings, dear Yale.

> > With Dean being a Jew and 70% of student body of being Jewish, this
> university
> > removed the set of the Nuremberg trial proceedings from the main ornate
> Sterling
> > library literaly to the ‘anus mundi’ or the bowels of its campus.
> Apparently even
> > its holocaustian student body is not interested in its Bible! Why?
>
> And they really hid it from the public by putting it on their Internet
> site.

You are using Talmudic methods Yale. Note that the question was WHY and I am refering
to the availability between 1950-1995. In that era there was no Internet!
You are heroically trying to weasel out of difficult questions with resonses to
questions not asked.

> Why are you lying again.

The above deserves no comment.
> > Instead, the price and the pride of this Jewish university
>
> It is no more a Jewish university than you are a loyal Pole. Which is not
> at all.

Call the Dean and ask him, look at the last names of students and academia
(proffessors). Granted, half of the students do not look Jewish as about 15% of them
are Oriental and 5% Black. Most importantly todays Jewish youth does not look Jewish
due to miscegenation like Hilary Clinton or Edgar Bronfman, but look at her daughter
or Hilary brothers … “pure” Asheknazim from Przemysl, Della [Bella] Murray’s home
town (Hilary’s grandma).

> > Thus, studying of such proceedings is difficult
>
> Only if you are stupid to find a copy.

I think that the readers will evaluate my efforts at finding the Proceedings
differently, than you Yale.

I do have work to be done. I have no time to continue. I think from my writing is
clear who is correct and who is devoid of reasonable arguments and angry.

I am signing off, Polina

> > and apriori non-productive in a
> > court where them most primitive cross-examination of witnesses was
> abolished
>
> A lie. There was no limit on cross-examination.
>
> >and
> > affidavits (not even testimony) was accepted as proven fact.
>
> Another lie from the fake Pole. Affidavits were used only where the
> witness was unavailable or dead. There is no instance where the affidavit
> of an available witness was used. There is only one affidavit that was
> crucila to the decision. That was the affidavit of Chester Nimitz which
> was used to ACQUIT Doenitz.
>
> > Thus C. Porter found
>
> C. Porter is a notorious liar and incompetent. Please see my article on
> how he couldn’t even cut and paste accurate quotations on The Holocaust
> History Project.
>
> > Going back to your specific accusation about British developing the
> human-fat-soap
> > hoax, I think you are wrong or partially wrong.
>
> I think you are crazy as a loon. Now go and do some research.
>
> > In the collection of the documents provided by the Soviets at Nuremberg
> there is a
> > photo of a white flat enameled tray with cakes of soap which is labled in
> Cyrylic
> > script. I do not think British communicate in Cyrylic alfabet.
>
> Exhibits intended for use at Nuremberg were given numbers.
>
> Give the number of this exhibit so that others may find it.
>
> > Am I correct about this photograph??
>
> I’ve never seen it. And unlike you I have had access to the original
> exhibits.
>
> > In any case it is immaterial who delivered the evidence which is now
> accepted by
> > orthodox Holocaustian as fake and fabricated.
>
> You are a liar.
>
> Please name a single historian who states that the evidence accepted by
> the IMT and made part of their judgment is either fake or fabricated.
>
> For an “independent journalist” you are an incompetent and dishonest
> researcher. Rather than trying to find out facts you mindlessly repeat the
> garbage found on websites maintained by the lunatic fringe. You are so
> incompetent as a researcher that you could not even locate a set of books
> in a library a ten minute subway ride from where you live.

> –YFE

> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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You are partially correct Yale, read below,

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> > Dear Yale,
>
> > You are using Madison Ave technique of asdvertising that falsity repeated
> 1,000
> > times becomes truth. It works for a long time as the tobacco industry is
> learning
> > today.
>
> Wrong you are a Jew-hating fake whose hidden agenda is the rehabiliation
> olf Adolf Shitler.

I am not Jew hater, and occasionally defend Jews from anti-Semites, when warranted.
On the other hand, yes, my agedna is to defend and bring forward the truth which
ferequently = rehabilitation of Hitler.

> having shown to be ignorant and to have continually misrepresented
> nonsense as facts you are reduced to the usual behavior of the denier of
> the Holocaust.
>
> > Indicdentally your evil Adolf Hitler did not some and advocated
> abstinence from it
> > because German physicians suspected decades before American physicians
> that smoking
> > causes cancer.
>
> A simple lie. Will you begin to tell the truth soon.

> Incidently, ignorant one, cigarettes were known in the US as “coffin
> nails” as early as World War I.

Journa of the American Medical Association stopped carry advertisment for cigarettes
in early 1950’s. Such adds woudl state that e.g. Camel is best for the soothing of
the sore throat.

> > > > > The Soviets supplied almost no documents whatsoever and the
> > > majority of
> > > > > those they used in evidence were supplied to them by the US army.

There is entire collection of Soviet delivered documents to Nuremberg I thing
designated #6. There are descriptions in them of 600,000 Jewish vitims at Lviv,
300,000 in Odessa etc. Polish Historical Society published a booklet on this subject
about ten years ago, on the 50th anniverssary of the Babi Yar , which I do not have
handy

> > > But the fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> And he still hasn’t.
>
> And now all he wants to do is call names.
>
> > > > > > The most notorious examples of those false
> > > > > > documents are the witness testimonies, the
> > > > > > forensic report and other evidence produced at
> > > > > > the trial of ten German officers accused of
> > > > > > murdering thousands of Polish POWs at the
> > > > > > Katyn Forest.
> > >
> > > > > You are wrong again. The Soviets presented no doucmentary
> > > evidence of the
> > > > > Katyn massacre and what evidence they did present was easily proven
> > > > > fraudulent to the Tribunal which did not credit it.
> > >
> > > But the fake Pole did not answer this.

I am too busy to continue, think answeres above give you taste of Yales
irresponsibility.
Poina
d he still hasn’t.
>
> All he wants to do now is call names.
>
> > > > > I find it strange that the deniers of the Holocaust
> continually
> > > use the
> > > > > fact that the Tribunal was savvy enough to expose frauds as
> evidence
> > > that
> > > > > the Tribunal was incapable of determining what was fraudlulent or
> not.
> > >
> > > But the fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> And he still hasn’t.
>
> All he wants to do now is call names.
>
>
> > > > > In the eyes of the law, the trial at Nuremberg was fair and
> > > honest and
> > > > > those found guilty were given a fair trial. There was no finding
> by
> > > the
> > > > > Tribunal that the Germans committed the Katyn Massacre. In fact
> the
> > > > > evidence presented BY THE DEFENSE was ambiguous. No person was,
> > > therefore,
> > > > > sentenced to death for the crime.
> > >
> > > The fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> And he still hasn’t.
>
> All he wants to do now is call names.
>
> > > > > > This but one example of seemingly endless list
> > > > > > of false documents used as testimony at
> > > > > > Nuremberg trials.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since you haven’t named one your list is not, as you claim,
> > > without end
> > > > > but without beginning.
> > >
> > > The fake Pole still has not provided any.
>
> And he still hasn’t.
>
> All he wants to do now is call names.
>
> > > > > The ignorant statements you make presents another good
> reason
> > > why the
> > > > > Nuremberg trials should be studied. The garbage you pass off as
> “well
> > > > > known facts” will then be instantly recognized as such.
> > >
> > > The fake Pole remains as ignorant as ever.
>
> Even worse. There having been a demosntration that the fake Pole — who
> claimed to be a “journalist” — was just regurgitating garbage from a
> lunatic web site he ran away.
>
> The fact is that the garbage that he accepts on blind faith is an insult
> to every real Pole, every real German, and every real Jew in the world.
>
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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>>Human fat soap was brought by Soviets to Nueremberg
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“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> > Dear Mr. Mc Vay,
> >
> > Many thanks for your response and help.
> >
> > In 1994-1996 when I was studying Nuremberg trials Yale International Law
> > Library did NOT have complete set on their shelves.
>
> That is not true. They had a complete set of of the published volumes.
>
> There is a volume of the Green series, which does not concern the IMT
> trial which was printed but, apparently, never distributed.
>
> > For about a decade I am trying to find a set in used book stores in NYC
> area
> > to no avail.
>
> Try a good book search. I reccommend Mike Curtis who psots here.
>
> > Simultaneously I called about 30 nearby libraries asking if
> > they still do not have a set in a storage pepared for discarding as “not
> > circulating” and also met with no sucess an older librarians told me they
> > discarded it decades ago as dust colleting and shelf occupying volumes.
>
> You’re lying. It’s in the reference section of every library I’ve been
> in. Reference books do not circulate.

> > Apperently, our parents and grandparents still remembering propaganda of
> the
> > Frist world war did not take the Nuremberg trials seriously, as most of
> us
> > does it today.
>
> You’re lying again. It was front page news.

True, to bre red and be forgotten, and American and American Jewry DID forget
the
holocaust nearly completely until the next SHOW TRIAL of 1961.
Polina

> > One of the librarian told me that the set they had they received free
> from
> > the Government Printing Office. Since I do not believe eyewitness
> testimony
> > I would not take her statement as accurate.
>
> You never talked to a librarian.
>
> > Many thanks for your work at Nizkor. We and especially I a revisionst
> find
> > a plethora of useful material at your site. We both see importance of
> > putting these material of the internet but differ in their interpretation
> > only.
>
> That’s because you lkie a lot. like this:
>
> > > >I live in Queens, NY
>
> And post from an ISP which does not servie that area.
>
> and believe it or not I found the only incomplete
> > > >but the most
> > > >complete set, and most accessible to me, on which was one in the
> > > >basement of the
> > > >obsucre International Law Library at Yale University in New Haven CT!
>
> Since the NYPL has one, your lie is patent.

> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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The more higly educated anti-Revisionists we have the better.

I am sick to read over and over the vularieties you Jewish anti-revisionists
level
at us.

You might be correct about Danny Karen, I do not think he uses gutter verbiage

Polina
Richard Phillips wrote:

> polin wrote:
> >
> > Orac who lists himself as a.k.a. David Gorski see bottom of this page is an
> > important figure on alt.revisionism
> >
> > He is perhaps the best educated anti-revisionist being a PhD if I am not
> > mistaken and a young surgeon from Chicago area.
> ===================================================
> Phillips
>
> I believe Danny Keren is also a PhD.
> ===============================================
> > Frequenting recently alt.revisionism I noticed that there are no other so
> > erudite anti-revisionists and so civil in their responses as him.
> ==========================================================
> Phillips
> I would class Eugene Holman as even more so.
> ===========================================
> It is
> > unfortunate that lately he resorts to on-liners suffused with adjectives and
> > not facts, but responding factualy on internet takes time and him being I
> > presume busy, surgeon it has to be excused.
> >
> > Still I wish to point that Dr. Gorski, paradoxically, is a revisionist at
> > heart. The word is out since publication of the book by prof Lipstadt that we
> > Jews and Holocaustians do not get into discources or discussions or rebutals
> > with revisionists. And virtually every erudite Jew and every academic
> > Holocaustian toes the party line.
> ================================================
> Phillips
> Is this a NEW book by Lipstadt?
> =============================================
> > Like the Pope they never lower themself to debate with his/their
intellectual opponents. Only Orac does it …
because he is like the Jewish philosopher
> > Spinoza a revisionist at heart.
> >
> > My restrained admiration to you Orac.
> >
> > Polina, the perenial revisionist
> >
> > Orac wrote:
> >
> > > In article <[email protected]>, “Grazyna Lesniak”
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Orac :
> > > >
> > > > >Yes, you definitely don’t want to get into e-mail exchanges with
> > > > “Polina”
> > > > >(a.k.a. Pawlikowski). He has no compunction about posting private
> > > > e-mail
> > > > >to public Usenet newsgroups. He did it to me once many months ago on
> > > > >alt.revisionism.

> > > > To be honest – it doesn’t matter. I don’t change my mind in private 🙂
> > > > Anyway – thanks.
> > >
> > > Whether or not you change your mind in private is really not the point,
> > > actually. There’s the tendency to say things in private e-mail that you
> > > wouldn’t post to Usenet. At least for me that’s true, and it appears to be
> > > true for many people, hence my warning to you. Pawlikoski didn’t really
> > > post anything that embarrassed me, but the principle that private e-mail
> > > should not be posted in a public forum without the author’s permission was
> > > violated, and that ticked me off.
> > >
> > > Also, Pawlikowski is an unrepentant Holocaust denier and anti-Semite, but
> > > you probably already noticed that.

> > > > BTW – sorry, off-topic question : do you read my posts in
> > > > alt.revisionism?
> > > > I’m not able to read this NG and when I send my posts in this thread my
> > > > computer “can’t convert alt.rev.”. Just curious.
> > >
> > > Yes, I am posting this from alt.revisionism. I do not frequent any of the
> > > newsgroups on Subject: header line.
>
> > > Orac |”A statement of fact cannot be insolent.”–Orac
> > > a.k.a. |
> > > David Gorski|”If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
> > > | inconvenience me with questions?”–Orac again

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Dear Yale,

How much you would charge for the copy of the 1980s video of Eichmann in which we
could see him intermittently and or in spurts continuously pumping his cheek with his
tongue, the pathogmonic sign of Tardive Dyskinesia ergo side effect of Thorazine/

If you do not respond to this bid, probably the video was made in such as manner as to
take out the moments when he is pumping his cheek.

I am ready to pay for the video up to $50.00. Perhaps other revisionists woudl chip in
if you jack your price above my maximum.

If you do not want to sell let me know if the video is and where available.

Polina.

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> > Dear Mr. K.
> >
> > I do not understand your question and did not say he lied.
> >
> > Hoes as you know grossly exaggerated the number of victims of his camp in
> order to
> > be in accord with the data of his captors i.e. the 4,000,000 which is now
> greatly
> > reduced by the orthodox holocaustian scholars and politicians.
>
> Since the actual estimates he gave while under oath and in his memoirs
> were quite a bit lower, your theory is nonsense. Had he wished to conform
> to the higher estimate he certainly would have done so in his memoirs
> written in a Polish prison.

Stop arguing, use your scanner and provide the facsimile so readers can see with their
own eyes that I am correct.
> > Being the Commandant he had to be The Source of the primary statistics
> and not
> > Eichmann and Berlin.
>
> Bullshit. He was commandmant only for a large portion of the time
> Auschwitz was in operation. He was promoted and served elsewhere until
> 1944 when he was brought back for the extermiantion of Hungarian Jews.
>
> Why do you not know this simple fact.
>
> > He was simply forced to sign the confessions/testimony by his captors. I
> think
> > that much is clear.
>
> Only to you. He was, moreover, a DEFENSE witness when he gave his
> testimony.

> > And then a lapsus lingue occured. The restriction on its showing was
> apparently
> > forgotten after 40 years and the ABC TV showed it on the Court TV Channel
> in April
> > to commemortate the Month of the Holocaust.
>
> Again, not true. I have a vidoetape of excerpts from the trial made
in
> the 1980’s.
>
> > When I watched that program I was struck dumb for two reasons:
>
> > 1) Eichmann in the glass booth was constantly pumping his tongue against
> his cheek
> > in a unmistakenable, incontroveritble Tardive Dyskinesia movement. So
> far Tardive
> > Dyskinesia has been described only as the common, permanent and disabling
> side
> > effect of Thorazine a potent and the first of the modern psychotropic
> drugs, the
> > mainstay, to this day, of modern psychiatry.
> >
> > Soviet dissidents like the Ukrainian (Red Army) rocketry general
> Hryhorenko were
> > given Thorazine to subdue them mentally. Since Eichman was determined
> well
> > psychiatrically there was no medical need to give him thorazine.
>
> And he wasn’t.
>
> > No beatings or tortures were required like from Hoes to extort
> ‘appropriate’
> > testimony. An injection of 20 miligrams of Thorazine was turning
> Eichmann and
> > soviet dissidents into submissive zombies.
>
> But neither beatings nor torture were used to obtain Hoess’ testimony. He
> was called as a witness by Ernst Kaltenbrunner.

> > While under influence of thorazine he did not have to be told what to
> testify he
> > was inventing and relaying delusions and confabulations satisfying his
> captors.
>
> But he wasn’t given thorazine.
>
> > I hope this explains to you my position correctly.
>
> Sure. You’re a lying fruitloop.

> –YFE
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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Astonishing!

Below John Morris explains and excuses Nuremberg American Prosecutor, reknown and
respected American jourist lies in the International Court of Law!

Jaksons mention of vaporizng prisoners with atomic energy implies:

1) that he himself fabricated the story out of a whole cloath, and unlikely proposition
and a charge to an honest and impartial American jurist who allegedly have had plethora
of authentic incriminating evidence. If so why he resorted to fabrications and ruses???

2) implies that he heard the story from survivors, was unsure of them and before accusing
Speer outright and compromise survivors on the witness stand he tested them in this
manner, without prevaricating on his own.

3) since servivors are to be belived (a dictum of Holocaustianity and the basis of the
Holocaust) if the second possibility is true, then we must consider it as proven that
atom was used for vaporization of humans by the Nazis.

If my logic is faulty, please indicate, or perhaps you have some others explanations to
make

Polina

John Morris wrote:

> In <[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on Sun, 24 Oct
> 1999 18:38:41 -0400, polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >”Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:
>
> >> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> >> <[email protected]>…
> >> > My title is self explanatory
>
> >> And once more displays your ignorance.
>
> >> The proof of the experimental attempts to make soap from human flesh was
> >> brought by the British based on evidence that they developed.
>
> >1) Soap can not be made from any “flesh”. It is produced by hydrolysis [break down]
> >of animal fat into fatty acids and glycerol and addition of sodium hydroxide and
> >forming from the original esters a fatty acid sodium salt.
>
> >No one invented production of saponyfying agent from human or any protein.
>
> Nice strawman fallacy, Joseph/Jozef/Joanna/Polina. In fact, you have
> just proven that it is possible to make soap from human fat.
>
> >2) Studying the two dozens of fat volumes of Nurmemberg trial proceeeings is
> >trying. Virtrually all of public libraries got rid of them because they were not
> >used by their readers. None of the 23,000 libraries being part of the OCLC have them
> >available for interlibrary loans.
>
> That is no excuse. Fourteen volumes are already available on the web
> with more to come:
>
> http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/imt.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
>
> >I live in Queens, NY and believe it or not I found the only incomplete but the most
> >complete set, and most accessible to me, on which was one in the basement of the
> >obsucre International Law Library at Yale University in New Haven CT!
>
> That is no excuse. Fourteen volumes are already available on the web
> with more to come:
>
> http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/imt.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
>
> >With Dean being a Jew and 70% of student body of being Jewish, this university
> >removed the set of the Nuremberg trial proceedings from the main ornate Sterling
> >library literaly to the ‘anus mundi’ or the bowels of its campus. Apparently even
> >its holocaustian student body is not interested in its Bible! Why?
>
> >Instead, the price and the pride of this Jewish university is the Guttenberg Bible
> >on a permanent display in its atomic blast-safe modernistic and beautiful building
> >storing ancient manuscripts. Every night the display descends into A-bomb
proof
> >shelter.
>
> >Thus, studying of such proceedings is difficult and apriori non-productive in a
> >court where them most primitive cross-examination of witnesses was abolished
and
> >affidavits (not even testimony) was accepted as proven fact.
>
> Then when you finally do read parts of the testimony, you will have a
> tough time explaining the cross-examination of all of the defendants
> and witnesses.
>
> >Thus C. Porter found out that the “fact” that Nazis exterminated Jews at
Auschwitz
> >with atomic bomb has been accepted as proven.
>
> Absolute nonsense. Robert Jackson used an old lawyer’s of indirection
> to induce Albert Speer to testify about the Nazi leadership’s efforts
> to prolong the war needlessly by circulating rumours of new
> super-weapons that would turn the tide of a hopeless battle.
>
> Jackson asks Speer if he ever heard of an experiment in which in which
> 20,000 Jews were vap[ourized with an atomic bomb:
>
> MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: Do you know about that experiment?
>
> SPEER: No, and I consider it utterly improbable. If we had such a
> weapon under preparation, I should have known about it. But we did
> not have such a weapon. It is clear that in chemical warfare
> attempts were made on both sides to carry out research on all the
> weapons one could think of, because one did not know which party
> would start chemical warfare first.
>
> MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: The reports, then, of a new and secret weapon
> were exaggerated for the purpose of keeping the German people in
> the war?
>
> SPEER: That was the case mostly during the last phase of the war.
> From August, or rather June or July 1944 on I very often went to the
> front. I visited about 40 front-line divisions in their sectors and
> could not help seeing that the troops, just like the German people,
> were given hopes about a new weapon coming, new weapons and
> wonder-weapons which, without requiring the use of soldiers, without
> military forces, would guarantee victory. In this belief lies the
> secret why so many people in Germany offered their lives, although
> common sense told them that the war was over. They believed that in
> the near future this new weapon would arrive.
>
> It is absurd to suggest that such a thing as vaporizing Jews was
> “proved” at Nuremberg. The only things considered proved at Nuremberg
> were the charges on the indictment referenced in the Judgment in
> Volume I.
>
> > Thus who should care about nuremberg
> >except for most fanatical Holocaustians?
>
> Obviously you, since you are a know-nothing who believes Carlos
> Porter’s obvious and stupid lies.
>
> >Going back to your specific accusation about British developing the
human-fat-soap
> >hoax, I think you are wrong or partially wrong.
>
> >In the collection of the documents provided by the Soviets at Nuremberg
there is a
> >photo of a white flat enameled tray with cakes of soap which is labled in
Cyrylic
> >script. I do not think British communicate in Cyrylic alfabet.
>
> >Am I correct about this photograph??
>
> You are probably correct about the photograph. It was certainly not
> beyond the capabilities of the Soviets to label their exhibits.
>
> Nevertheless, the evidence was provided to the Soviets by the British
> including the depositions of Witton and Neely, two British prisoners
> set to work at Danzig.
>
> Contrary to the Revisionist myth, the Soviets developed almost none of
> their own evidence.
>
> >In any case it is immaterial who delivered the evidence which is now
accepted by
> >orthodox Holocaustian as fake and fabricated.
>
> Wrong again. What legitimate historians have recognized almost since
> the end of the war is that rumours of mass production of Jewish soap
> were in fact rumours invented by camp guards as an additional torment
> of their prisoners.
>
> But the evidence presented at Nuremberg was that Rudolph Spanner of
> the Danzig Anatomical Institute tried to find uses for soap which was
> manufactured from human fat.
>
> In 1960, the prosecutors’ office in Flensburg declined to charge
> Spanner presumably because it was impossible to determine whether he
> had set out to manufacture soap or whether it was a natural by-product
> of boiling the soft tissue off skeletons intended for use as
> anatomical specimens. The process, called maceration, involves
> boiling corpses in water and caustic soda (lye), and it naturally
> saponifies any fats present.
>
> The fact nevertheless remains that Spanner attempted to find ways of
> making the soap useful. Apparently, it stank horribly.
>
> So you see, Polina/Josef/Joanna/Liar, you believe the silliest things
> that Revisionists tell you, and you dwell on irrelevant idiocies like
> “human soap.” It’s time you learned some real history.

> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Nizkooks are not members of homosapiens.
> They are members of Judeosapiens.” Joe Bellinger, May 17, 1999.

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Dear Mr Morris,

You are correct and you are not telling me anything new about Bruno
Gallileo and John tyndal burnt for translating the Bible.

But you must understand that I am also a Polish nationalist and for this
reason I favor Copernicus who was in service to Polish kings. And as a
Pole I will not tell you about Copernicus what is disadvantegeous to our
worship of POSITIVE national heros and not sheep going to the slaugher.

We think that raising children on martyrology results in columbine
massacres vide boy Klebod. You should raise your not on now dehoaxed or
demythologized Massada but on Einstein, Golda Meir, generals Dayan and
Rubin not on holocaustomania.

John Morris wrote:

> In <[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on Sun, 24 Oct
> 1999 18:45:46 -0400, polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Dear Grazyna,
>
> >You also do not know that adjectives belong to poetry and not science.
>
> >Remember Nicholas Copernicus, the greatest revisionist of all times
>
> Oh golly, you even got that one wrong Polina-Liar. Copernicus wasn’t
> persecuted. You’re supposed to remember *Galileo* because he was
> persecuted for telling the truth. Of course, it wasn’t much of a
> persecution since eveyone knew that Kepler in Germany and Newton in
> England were publishing Galileo’s works. Galileo published his last
> work under his own name while under house arrest in Italy.
>
> I have a better suggestion for Revisionists. Remember Giordano Bruno.
> He was an exact contemporary of Galileo’s who also agreed with
> Copernicus. He has the added persecution value in that he was
> actually burnt at the stake.
>
> But, alas, he was burnt at the stake for claiming that God created an
> infinite number of populated worlds. A creation co-infinite with its
> creator did not sit well with early modern Catholics.
>
> —
> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Nizkooks are not members of homosapiens.
> They are members of Judeosapiens.” Joe Bellinger, May 17, 1999.

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Dear John,

You are citing data from yeasterday. I cited availability from 1995.

I suspect you will castigate me for not perusing Internet in 1980s or 1970s

Have reason

Polina

John Morris wrote:

> In <[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on 24 Oct
> 1999 20:29:14 -0400, “Yale F.Edeiken” <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> ><[email protected]>…
>
> [snip]
>
> >> 2) Studying the two dozens of fat volumes of Nurmemberg trial proceeeings is
> >> trying. Virtrually all of public libraries got rid of them because they were not
> >> used by their readers. None of the 23,000 libraries being part of the OCLC have them
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> available for interlibrary loans.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> > They are being made available on the Internet.
>
> > Further more than 10 libraries within a normal drive from my house in
> >Allentown PA have copies.
>
> Just a small point since I already answered “Polina’s” excuses, but a
> quick look at OCLC reveals the following for the first record
> Nuremberg proceedings checked:
>
> CA CKX CHAPMAN UNIV SCH OF LAW Lender
> WV WV9 WEST VIRGINIA UNIV LAW LIBR Lender
>
> Ah, what the hell. I’ve got them online and the proxy server loaded
> up.
>
> Second record checked:
>
> KS KKW WASHBURN UNIV Lender
> NJ NJM MONTCLAIR STATE UNIV Lender
> PA PBB BLOOMSBURG UNIV Lender
>
> Gee, that’s five interlibrary lenders in the first two records
> checked.
>
> Third record:
>
> NY NYP NEW YORK PUB LIBR RES LIBR Lender
>
> Ooooo! Not looking too good for OCLC not listing any interlibrary
> lenders. And, hey, doesn’t “Polina” claim to live in Queens, New York
> just across the East River from NYC and the New York Public Library?
>
> Fourth record:
>
> CA CKX CHAPMAN UNIV SCH OF LAW Lender
> CA CPF PEPPERDINE UNIV, LAW LIBR Lender
> CA WST WESTERN STATE UNIV COL OF LAW Lender
> DC DCV CATHOLIC UNIV AMERICA, DUFOUR LAW LIBR Lender
> DC DLC LIBRARY OF CONGRESS Non-lender
> DC LHM US HOLOCAUST MEM MUS Non-lender
> FL FBL SAINT THOMAS UNIV, LAW LIBR Lender
> GA GLL GEORGIA STATE UNIV, LAW LIBR Lender
> IN XND UNIV OF NOTRE DAME, LAW SCH Lender
> LA LLT LOYOLA UNIV, LAW SCH Lender
> LA LSC SOUTHERN UNIV, LAW LIBR Lender
> MA HVL HARVARD UNIV LAW SCH LIBR Non-lender
> MA NLL NEW ENGLAND SCH OF LAW LIBR Lender
> MI ECB THOMAS M COOLEY LAW SCH LIBR Lender
> MS MCC MISSISSIPPI COL, LAW LIBR Lender
> NC NC# NORTH CAROLINA CENT UNIV, LAW SCH LIBR Lender
> NC NDD DUKE UNIV LIBR Lender
> NC NDL DUKE UNIV, LAW LIBR Lender
> NC NRC NORTH CAROLINA STATE UNIV Lender
> NJ STL SETON HALL UNIV, LAW LIBR Lender
> NY UBK US COURTS LIBR, BROOKLYN Non-lender
> NY UCN US COURT OF APPEALS LIBR, 2ND CIRCUIT Non-lender
> NY ZNL NEW YORK LAW SCH LIBR Lender
> OH OHO SUPREME COURT OF OHIO LAW LIBR Non-lender
> VA AVJ US ARMY, JUDGE ADVOCATE GENERAL’S SCH Non-lender
> VA VRL UNIV OF RICHMOND, LAW SCH LIBR Lender
> ZZ Y8V DEPARTMENT FOREIGN AFFAIRS LEGAL LIBR Non-lender
> ZZ [email protected] UNIV STELLENBOSCH, J S GERICKE LIBR Non-lender
>
> Ouch! Twenty-eight more libraries, eighteen of them indicating that
> they will do interlibrary loans of the Nuremberg proceedings. And
> look: two of them are in New York City. Well, alright, one’s in
> Brooklyn, but that’s even closer to Queens.
>
> Just in case anybody thinks I might have mistaken the work in
> question, here is the abbreviated record for last item checked:
>
> TITLE: Trial of the major war criminals before the International
> Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 14 November 1945- 1 October
> 1946.
> PLACE: Buffalo, N.Y. :
> PUBLISHER: William S. Hein,
> YEAR: 1995 1947
>
> I guess that would be yer IMT Blue Series.
>
> The only question left is whether there is anything at all that
> “Polina” *won’t* lie about.
>
> “None of the 23,000 libraries being part of the OCLC have them
> available for interlibrary loans.”
>
> BWAAAHAHAHAHA!
>
> [snip]

> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Nizkooks are not members of homosapiens.
> They are members of Judeosapiens.” Joe Bellinger, May 17, 1999.

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Thank you Mike!

Are you revisionist or exterminationist?

Polina

Mike Curtis wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Dear Mr. K.
> >
> >I do not understand your question and did not say he lied.
> >
> >Hoes as you know grossly exaggerated the number of victims of his camp in
order to
> >be in accord with the data of his captors i.e. the 4,000,000 which is now
greatly
> >reduced by the orthodox holocaustian scholars and politicians.
>
> This is what he testified to doing the above deposition during 1 April
> and 2 April 1946. The following conversation came on page 14 during
> the 2 April 1946 Deposition while they were talking about Jews:
>
> Q: But still Auschwitz succeeded in exterminating quite a number,
> something like the millions, didn’t they?
>
> A: Yes.
>
> Q: How many millions?
>
> A: I again refer back to the statement made to me by Eichmann in March
> or April, 1944, when he had to go and report to Reichfuehrer that his
> office had turned over two and one-half million to the camp.
>
> Q: To the Auschwitz area?
>
> A: Yes.Q: Only in the Auschwitz area?
>
> A: Yes.
>
> Q: Two and one-half million, you say?
>
> A: Yes.
>
> Q: Are you [sic] you a little confused just now?
>
> A: The reasons why I remember the number, two and one-half million, is
> because it was repeatedly told to me that Auschwitz was to have
> exterminated four to five million, but that was not so. We had an
> order by the Reichsfuehrer of SS to destroy all materials in numbers
> immediately, and not to preserve any records of the executions that
> were being carried out.
>
> Q: The two and one-half million were people delivered to Auschwitz,
> were they the ones that were executed?
>
> A: Executed and exterminated.
>
> For those who may have missed it I’ll explain what is important to the
> conversation above. Hoess makes it quite clear where this 2.5 million
> figure came from. It came from Eichmann. He hadn’t really thought
> through for himself just yet. The 1.3 million figure would be his
> claim later on in his autobiography.
>
> Mike Curtis
>
> From Ambrose Bierce:
>
> CHRISTIAN, n.
> One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably
suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. One who follows the teachings
of Christ in so far as they are not inconsistent with a life of sin.
>
> CONVERSATION, n.
> A fair to the display of the minor mental commodities, each exhibitor being
too intent upon the arrangement of his own wares to observe those of his
neighbor.
>
> Please visit:
>
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Dear Dr. Keren,

I am not surprised that among others I am called Ukrainian. Public
opinion polls even in today’s Poland show that Ukrainians are most
detested ethnic in our country, far more then the Germans who allegedly
killed 3,000,000 Poles and Polish 3,000,000 Jews.

Calling someone in Poland Ukrainian is like calling someone anti-Semite
or racist in the USA. This calumny is perenially cast on anyone who is
ones strong oponent.

Majority of Poles can not comprehend that being revisonist does not =
Ukrainianism.

Professor Ratiajczak of Opole presently on trial is undobtedly an
Ukrainian for most primitive Poles especially that he was born on
formerly German land for a several centuries.

Instyutut Radical Nationalism in Warsaw and Narodowe Odrodzenie Polski
the leading historical revisionist force in Poland are called Neo=Nazis
and skin heads while these groups frequently are hired to beat us up.
Soon they will be called Banderites an Ukrainian nationalists who fought
for their independence during WWII and until 1953, yes some units
survived and were active until 1953.

Poolina

Daniel Keren wrote:

> [Followup-To: alt.revisionism]
>
> John Morris <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> # Candide <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> ## However, I suppose it would be fair to say
> ## that I do detest a certain Ukrainian asshole
> ## desperately trying to pass for a Pole.
>
> # Goodness! Tell us more.
>
> Hmm. Let me add my 2 cents. When I was in the Auschwitz museum, one
> of the workers there told me that “The Polish Historical Society”
> consists of an Ukrainian guy, who is pretending to be a Pole, for
> some reason.
>
> It seems other people are aware of this, and one Polish poster wrote
> that “polin” is posting with an Ukrainian accent (probably with
> reference to the names of cities, such as Kiev).
>
> I bet that in his next reincarnation, he’ll claim he’s a Jew! 🙂
>
> -Danny Keren.

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Dear Yale,

It is irrelevant if evidentiary material submitted to the Tribunal was admitted into
court records as evidence.

The fact that such phoney material was ATTEMPTED , as you admit, to be presented
casts indelible shadow on the rest of materials and entire Trial.

Prosecutors and Judges being the Victors of the WW II had [theoretically] access to
plethora and aboundance real incriminating evidece. They had multitudes of personel
to reject obviously confabulatory stories and obligation to submit bona fide data.

The fact that they, the almighty, attempted to submit fabrications for ever deprecated
the credibility of the ENTIRE proceedings. Once a liar always a liar.

Prosecutors should be riding on white horse in shining armors not dressed in
fabrications and martyrological mythology or outright psychotic delusions of liberated
and hysterical survivors expecting remuneration and favors for their phoney stories.

Each of the dozens of volumes of the Proceedings should not contain even a SCINTILLA
of a questionable evidence.

Nuremberg was not a mafia trial where it is exceedingly difficult to get accurate
evidence. All Nazi archives were opened to the victors. They should not need
questionable and emotional eyewitnesses. They should not need faked soviet evidence.
It should be rejected in the prosecutors chambers and not by the judges!

Nuremberg was a soviet style show trial, patterend on the Kharkiv and Kransondar
trials of summer of 1943, Kyiv 1944 for Babi Yar Lublin 1944 and Leningrad trial of
January 1946 during which 12 high german officers were condemned to death for the
Katyn massacre!

The only difference was that the victims of Nuremberg where hanged secretly while the
victims Kharkiv, Krasnodar, Kyiv Lublin and Leningragd were hunged publicly.

Greetings from Polina

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> Candide <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…

> > > Candide lied:
>
> > >> It is a well known fact that most (if not all) of
> > >> the documents presented at Nuremberg trials
> > >> were fabricated by the NKVD – the Soviet
> > >> political police, dominated almost entirely by
> > >> jews.
> > >>
> > >> The most notorious examples of those false
> > >> documents are the witness testimonies, the
> > >> forensic report and other evidence produced at
> > >> the trial of ten German officers accused of
> > >> murdering thousands of Polish POWs at the
> > >> Katyn Forest.
> > >>
> > >> Nine of the accused have been found guilty.
> > >> Seven of them were hanged and two died in
> > >> Soviet gulags.
> > >>
> > >> After the fall of Communism, Russians have
> > >> admitted that the Katyn massacre has in fact
> > >> been committed by the NKVD and the
> > >> evidence against the accused has been
> > >> fabricated.
> > >>
> > >> Now, I have hardly any sympathy for the
> > >> hanged Germans who had no business
> > >> invading Poland at the first place, but in the
> > >> eyes of law, they were innocent victims
> > >> murdered in cold blood by the real
> > >> masterminds of the Katyn mass murder, who
> > >> shamelessly paraded at the trial as
> > >> prosecutors, witnesses and experts.
> > >>
> > >> This but one example of seemingly endless list
> > >> of false documents used as testimony at
> > >> Nuremberg trials.
> > >>
> > >> More on the subject at:
> > >> http://www.cwporter.co.uk/k1.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
> > >> http://www.cwporter.co.uk/two.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
> >
> > to which a choir of jewish trolls replied
> > (among other things):
> > >
> > > A lie from Candide:
> > > This is, of course, historically stupid…
> > >
> > > It is not only not a “well known fact” but an utter fabrication.
> > >
> > > The Soviets supplied almost no documents whatsoever and the majority of
> > > those they used in evidence were supplied to them by the US army.
> > >
> > > You are wrong again. The Soviets presented no doucmentary evidence of
> the
> > > Katyn massacre and what evidence they did present was easily proven
> > > fraudulent to the Tribunal which did not credit it.
> > >
> > > But you will lie for them
> > >
> > > There was no finding by the
> > > Tribunal that the Germans committed the Katyn Massacre. (…)
> > > No person was, therefore, sentenced to death for the crime.
> > >
> > > Since you haven’t named one your list is not, as you claim, without end
> > > but without beginning.
> > >
> > > The garbage you pass off as “well
> > > known facts” will then be instantly recognized as such.
> > >
> > > In other words, you have absolutley NO proof.
> > > (…) you have no evidence at all to support it.
> >
> > What on earth is wrong with you people? Are
> > lies and insults your only argument in
> > discussion?
>
> Because you ARE lying.
>
> > I gave you a clear link to:
> > http://www.cwporter.co.uk/k1.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
>
> Porter is full of shit.
>
> > It is a document (translated for your
> > convenience by Carlos W. Porter) introduced
> > by the Soviets into evidence at the Nuremberg
> > trial. It opens with the following statement:
>
> That is incorrect. It was never introduced into evidence and was
not used
> as support for the judgment.
>
> ——————
> > DOCUMENT 054 USSR
> >
> > Report by a Special Soviet Commission, 24
> > January 1944, concerning the shooting of
> > Polish officer prisoners of war in the
> > forest of Katyn.
>
> In fact the Tribunal rejected the document as not being admissible in
> evidence.
>
> > This “document” is an elaborate hoax
> > describing in minute detail (on some forty
> > pages of text) how, where and when the
> > Germans killed the Polish officers whose
> > mass graves were found at Katyn.
>
> And was not part of the evidence at Nuremberg.
>
> > Read it and tell me: is this not a sufficient
> > example of false evidence given to the
> > Tribunal by the NKVD?
>
> But it was not part of the evidence at Nuremberg. It was rejected by the
> Tribunal.
>
> In fact, in a heated exchange the American counsel stated that the Soviets
> should be held in contempt for attemting to introduce it.
>
> > Despite your statements to the contrary, the
> > Katyn massacre WAS very well part of of the
> > indictment at Nuremberg. Here is a quote
> > from D. Irving’s ‘Nuremberg, The Last
> > Battle’:
>
> But the judgment of the Tribunal was that their report was rejected and
> the ultimate judgment was that no convincing evidence had been introduced.
>
> > So, not only did Soviets introduce false
> > evidence at Nuremberg but they also managed
> > to attribute their own war crimes to Germans.
>
> As has been pointed out the report youcite wsa not introduced into
> evidence.
> > The Document 054 USSR quoted above is by
> > no means the only example of the false
> > testimony fabricated by NKVD and introduced
> > as evidence at Nuremberg. There are other
> > “documents”, testifying for example to
> > 4,000,000 gassed at Auschwitz
>
> No such document was introduced into evidence.
>
> > or describing
> > the execution steam chambers or underground
> > electrocution chambers or pedal operated
> > killing machines, all of which have since been
> > proved to be hoaxes.
>
> No such evidence was introduced into evidence.
>
> > Mr. Porter’s website
> > contains translations of quite a number of
> > those “documents”, all duly numbered and
> > referenced as part of authentic Nuremberg
> > evidence.
>
> That is incorrect. The ignorant Porter cited no such admission into
> evidence. He cited only to the record of the trial. A record includes
> material which was not introduced into evidence. He was too ignorant to
> know the difference.
>
> > I suggest that you read some of them before
> > publicly making hysterical asses of
> > yourselves.
>
> I suggest you learn what you are talking about before you lie like you did
> here.
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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Dear Dr. Orac,

You would prove revisionists wrong if you could show mass graves on air
photos of Babi Yar or Treblinka II and explained why about 50 mass graves
at the Treblinka I are clearly seen in these wartime reconnaissance
photos. Exhumation of these graves revealed about 100 corpses in each, but
no traces of gas chambers and no humongous mass graves to correspond to the
3,500,000 or 2,2000,000 or even the 890,000 victims have been found.

50,000 old and sick Jews were allegedly shot by the Nazis at the Treblinka
II Lazaret. Excavation conducted under the egis of a Jewish Judge
Magistrate Zdzislaw Lukaszkiewicz from the District Court at Siedlce
revealed some rubbish, badges of Jewish policemen (Ordnungdienst) absence
of skeletons allegedly cremated and most importantly absence of at least
50,000 slugs and casings. Instead the careful archeology of the site
discovered about 90 various coins among them several US pennies.

Again, why we do find skeletons of Polish Ukrainian Byelorussian, Russian
and even Finish victims of WWII murdered or executed by beligerents but we
can not find the remains of millions of Jews the Nazis did not have the
time to cremate

Greetings from Polina

Orac wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, “Grazyna Lesniak”
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > polin :
> > (…)
> > >Todays revisionists are like the yeasterdays dissidents of the USSR
> > (…)
> >
> > Let’s revise this comparison.
> >
> > They told the truth. You ask : “prove, that our absurds aren’t lies”.
>
> And then, when we do prove that their absurd statements are lies,” they
> keep repeating them!
>
> [Snip]

> Orac |”A statement of fact cannot be insolent.”–Orac
> a.k.a. |
> David Gorski|”If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
> | inconvenience me with questions?”–Orac again

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Subject: Re: Sacrificed Inca children >>> Eichman was soaked with Thorazine not blood from Jewish geysers …Geysers of blood in Lemberg >>Eichmann: “I Saw the Most Horrifying Thing I Have Ever Seen”
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Dear Philip,

It is difficult to carry out discourse with a Talmudist.

In general for the benefit of other readers I will explain again.

I am not sure when Eichman visited Lemberg and was allegedly saw geysers of
blood.

Such phenomenon can not be seen and has never been documented in summer or
winter, because the human skin prevents even putrefaction gasses from
escaping from the human body and this is the cause of the postmortem
bloating.

Moreover, decomposition of the human body is severely dependent on the
temperature. It stops below 32F virtually completely, what is most
explicitly illustrated in the latest National Geographic.

After 500 year sacrificed Inka children look like asleep, one girls face is
partially darkend by lightning.

Most of the Jews were allgedly killed in Lemberg after December 1941. In
any case it is my understanding that Eichmann could not be sooner in that
city.

In late September and early October it snowed and rained in Kyiv south of
Lemberg.

I should not be trusted nor Yale. Please call your district or county or
state Chief Medical Examiner Office and speak with any forensic
pathologist. Unlike most of the other doctors forensic pathologists love to
talk. Regular doctors are hearing talking patients all the time. Forensic
pathologists patienst are permanently silent and for this reason they love
to share their knowledge with alive individuals.

Ask them if they ever heard about geysers of blood errupting from any
graves. There are forensic pathologists who specialize in mass grave
examination. They are affiliated with the Amnesty International and their
group is located in Boston. Long distance calls are cheep 10 cents per one
minute.

Instead pondering call the Amnesty of Boston’s Physicians for Human Rights
or if you live in Europe call Hague Tribunal. The prosecutor will give you
their experts coordinates.

I find discussion with my oponent pointless. And what do you think?

Polina

Philip Mathews wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Dear Philip,
> >
> > Your citations support my contention.
>
> False.

> > Burial slows down decomposition
>
> That’s not what you said. You led the reader to believe burial causes
> the process to esstentially cease. That is false. The process proceeds
> in the same way, at a slower pace.
> >
> > And low temperature you did not mentioned (on purpose???) stops
> decomposition. Look at
> > the recent National Gegraphic. Inca children sacrificed in the Ades
> 500 years ago look
> > “like new”.
>
> Explain how temperature applies to the exact example given, Eichmann’s
> visit, which started this thread.
>
> >
> > Also waxy degeneration, as one found in Belzec, does not occur above
> the ground
> > especially in summer.
>
> Irrelevant to the point. Stick to the point which you raised, which has
> now been shown to be erroneous.

> > Also bloating does not occur under ground in mass graves due to slow
> production of gas
> > and heavy pressure.
>
> False. The same process occurs, only at a slower rate.

> > Moreover, Nazis begun to form Ghetto and kill Jews on mass scale
> (600,000 in total
> > according to Nuremberg data) in Lemberg in December 1941.
>
> This is irrelevant to the Eichmann example.
> >
> > The story of ground swelling and heaving over the mass graves like
> wave on the sea
> > described by survivors is pure martyrological fiction.
> >
>
> False, as has been shown. You’ve offered large amounts of
> unsubstantiated opinion; you’ve stated the decomposition process stops
> for buried corpses, which is not true; and you’re now trying to
> introduce other killings at other times in order to confuse the original
> issue, which is the Eichmann visit.
>
> As I think is clear, you have no basis for any of the assertions you’ve
> made with respect to the “impossibility” of what Eichmann saw.
>
> Philip Mathews
>
> > Polina
> >
> > Philip Mathews wrote:
> >
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > polin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > Dear Philip,
> > > >
> > > > The geysers of blood are sheer hydrolic and medical impossibility.
> > > >
> > > > In mass grave blood is contained within the skin which can be
> described as a tight
> > > > leather sac and the bodies are gradually dehydrated by the
> ‘hydrostatic’ pressure
> > > > of the soil or corpses above. Think of cottage cheese being
> turned in a cheese
> > > > cloth between two boards into solid cheese.
> > > >
> > > > In the cool or cold and anerobic (oxygen deprived) millieu of the
> mass grave the
> > > > bacterial decomposition essentially ceases. Instead the slow
> growing fungi take
> > > > over. But fungi generally do not produce gases like the anerobic
> bacteria at body
> > > > temperature and above (85-105F) or yeast at 65-75F.
> > >
> > > This is not true. Buried bodies undergo the same five stages of
> decomposition
> > > (Fresh Stage, Bloated Stage, Decay Stage, Dry Stage and Remains
> Stage) as
> > > bodies left above ground .
> > >
> > > What does occur in buried corpses is a different rate of
> decomposition.
> > >
> > > (begin quote)
> > >
> > > Keh (1985) presented Casper’s rule, which states that decomposition
> in air
> > > for one week is approximately equal to decomposition in water for
> two weeks,
> > > which is approximately equal to decomposition underground for eight
> weeks.
> > > Others have also found that burial greatly slows down the rate of
> > > decomposition (Mann et al., 1990; Turner, 1987).
> > >
> > > (end quote)
> > >
> > > Using Insects to Determine the Post Mortem Interval
> > > Dr. Bob Randall
> > > University of Saskatchewan
> > >
> > > During this inevitable process of decomposition the corpse
> eventually reaches
> > > the Bloated Stage.
> > >
> > > (begin quote)
> > >
> > > The bloated stage of decomposition begins with the start of bloating
> and ends
> > > with the cessation of bloating (Early and Goff, 1986; Rodriguez et
> al., 1983;
> > > Turner, 1987). This stage of decomposition is characterized by
> putrefaction,
> > > during which the gases produced by anaerobic bacteria cause the
> abdomen to
> > > inflate. The internal temperature of the carcass starts to rise
> above
> > > ambient temperatures due to the activity of maggots and bacteria
> (Early and
> > > Goff, 1986; Greenberg, 1991). The stench also becomes strong. This
> stage is
> > > reported to last three days in the summer, and five to seven days in
> the
> > > spring and fall for fully exposed human corpses (Rodriguez and Bass,
> 1983).
> > > This stage ends when the gases escape and the bloated carcass
> collapses.
> > >
> > > (end quote)
> > >
> > > Ibid
> > >
> > > It is at this stage that large numbers of bodies, releasing gas
> mixed with
> > > bodily fluids, could produce the phenomenon reported by Eichmann and
> others.
> > >
> > > Philip Mathews
> > >
> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> > > Before you buy.

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> Before you buy.

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Dear Mr Mc Vay,

Do not accuse me for not having NIT proceedings. I complained about the fact that
they were hardly accessible even to a ardent student.

I also stated that I do not care about these proceedings as the entire trial was a
show trial. It is not worth to spent time to study them to just slightly embarass
the WW II Holocaust believers.

For years I hammer that the importrant this in this argument is the lack of the
physical evidence of the industrial murder of the Jews. I do not wish to digress
into trivia such as [extorted] testimonies of alleged perpetrators or martyrological
group fantasies of survivors.

Lets go back to the starting point and start looking for the bones of the 3-4M Jews
the Nazis did not have time to cremate.

This is what the prosecution at Nuremberg should have done first place. Instead they
were talking about atomic energy and vaporizing prisoners with it e.g. Justice
Jackson.

Again, Mr Mc Vay where are the bones of the not cremated victims?? Once we establish
their location then it will be worthwhile to review and consider as accurate
testimonies of survivors and official Allied documents including Soviets.

Polina

Incidentally, you holocaustians blame Poles for the 4,000,000 Auschwitz hoaxy
figure. Whom will you blame for the 600,000 victims of Lemberg etc???

The commissar of the Sovinform was Solomon Lozovsky. Smirnov, Porkovsky and most of
the Soviet staff was also Jewish … coincidence??? randomness???

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:

> >There is entire collection of Soviet delivered documents to Nuremberg I thing
> >designated #6. There are descriptions in them of 600,000 Jewish vitims at Lviv,
> >300,000 in Odessa etc. Polish Historical Society published a booklet on
> >this subject
> >about ten years ago, on the 50th anniverssary of the Babi Yar , which I
> >do not have
> >handy
>
> I have the “red set” here – it contains the documents listed as
> evidence (but not necessarily introduced and accepted as such) for the
> first tribunal.
>
> The designation “#6” is meaningless with respect to documents
> submitted by the Soviets.
>
> Most of the documents submitted came from the American unit in Paris,
> as has already been pointed out to you.
>
> What seems clear to me is that you have no real idea how many
> documents were submitted by the Soviet Union, or how many were
> submitted by others, and you have no idea whatsoever how many of the
> Soviet documents were or were not accepted into evidence.
>
> It is also clear, from your own statements, that you do not have a
> copy of any of the Nuremberg publications – i.e. you do not have the
> red set (https://nizkor.org/hweb/imt/nca)Broken link which lists the
> documents.
>
> That being the case, I cannot understand how you can make assertions –
> which are essentially meaningless (to be kind) to anyone who _does_
> have the publications.
>
> Perhaps you can explain?

> The Nizkor Project: An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
> Search: https://nizkor.org/search.html Broken link
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Dear Mr Mc Vay,

Do not accuse me for not having NIT proceedings. I complained about the fact that
they were hardly accessible even to a ardent student.

I also stated that I do not care about these proceedings as the entire trial was a
show trial. It is not worth to spent time to study them to just slightly embarass
the WW II Holocaust believers.

For years I hammer that the importrant this in this argument is the lack of the
physical evidence of the industrial murder of the Jews. I do not wish to digress
into trivia such as [extorted] testimonies of alleged perpetrators or martyrological
group fantasies of survivors.

Lets go back to the starting point and start looking for the bones of the 3-4M Jews
the Nazis did not have time to cremate.

This is what the prosecution at Nuremberg should have done first place. Instead they
were talking about atomic energy and vaporizing prisoners with it e.g. Justice
Jackson.

Again, Mr Mc Vay where are the bones of the not cremated victims?? Once we establish
their location then it will be worthwhile to review and consider as accurate
testimonies of survivors and official Allied documents including Soviets.

Polina

Incidentally, you holocaustians blame Poles for the 4,000,000 Auschwitz hoaxy
figure. Whom will you blame for the 600,000 victims of Lemberg etc???

The commissar of the Sovinform was Solomon Lozovsky. Smirnov, Porkovsky and most of
the Soviet staff at Nuremberg were also Jewish … coincidence??? randomness???

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:

> >There is entire collection of Soviet delivered documents to Nuremberg I thing
> >designated #6. There are descriptions in them of 600,000 Jewish vitims at Lviv,
> >300,000 in Odessa etc. Polish Historical Society published a booklet on
> >this subject
> >about ten years ago, on the 50th anniverssary of the Babi Yar , which I
> >do not have
> >handy
>
> I have the “red set” here – it contains the documents listed as
> evidence (but not necessarily introduced and accepted as such) for the
> first tribunal.
>
> The designation “#6” is meaningless with respect to documents
> submitted by the Soviets.
>
> Most of the documents submitted came from the American unit in Paris,
> as has already been pointed out to you.
>
> What seems clear to me is that you have no real idea how many
> documents were submitted by the Soviet Union, or how many were
> submitted by others, and you have no idea whatsoever how many of the
> Soviet documents were or were not accepted into evidence.
>
> It is also clear, from your own statements, that you do not have a
> copy of any of the Nuremberg publications – i.e. you do not have the
> red set (https://nizkor.org/hweb/imt/nca) Broken link which lists the
> documents.
>
> That being the case, I cannot understand how you can make assertions –
> which are essentially meaningless (to be kind) to anyone who _does_
> have the publications.
>
> Perhaps you can explain?

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From [email protected] Tue Oct 26 00:57:39 EDT 1999
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Daniel Keren wrote:

> [Followup-To: alt.revisionism]
>
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> # Dear Yale,
> #
> # How much you would charge for the copy of the 1980s video of Eichmann in
> # which we could see him intermittently and or in spurts continuously pumping
> # his cheek with his tongue,
>
> It would be worth pretty much, considering the fact that one would have to put
> Eichmann back together, in order to obtain such a video from the 1980s. He was
> hanged and cremated in 1963.
>
> -Danny Keren.

Dear Dr. Keren,

Yale claimed he has 1980 video made from the video of Eichmann trial in 1961

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Dear Mr Mc Vay,

Effectivelly cornered you lost your cool, which by itself is an evidence that you
have no strong and valid arguments just adjectives.

While the First World War holocaust was completely forgotten and the WW II Holocaust
withers, under the pressure of revisionists, and the Holocaustians bemoan passing off
of Survivors (if they pass away how we are going to prove it to the future
generations – a standard media cry), you are trying to preserve the authority of the
Nuremberg Trial. Valiant effort Mr Mc Vay, but it will not do.

To be belivable you must come with physical evidence.

I am not 100% revisionist and I am not Nazi apologist. For example lately I hammer
the unexplicable fact that about half of Polish clergy died at Dachau while it was
not so with other nationalities.

I am much disliked by quite a few revisionists and virtually all anti-Semites and to
the same extent by you.

I think I am the only revisionist who appreciates your web page. I think I am one of
very few revisionists ready to become holocaustian again once solid physical evidence
of industrial murder by the Nazis is presented.

Will you become a revisionist when such evidence will not be forthcoming. And where
are cremation pits and remains of mass graves which contained 48,000,000 victims of
Belzec (every hour on the hour 10,000 vctims) or the 1,500,000 victims or at least
600,000 victims.

Why do you think Polish authorities drag their feet with releasing archeology of
Belzec or the Hydrokop report.

These studies should confirm the industrial killing and should be publicized on front
pages of all papers.

And why Nazis did not completely covered the traces of their crime???

Why they did not bother even to start cremations at the mass graves of the 10,000
vixctims of the Treblinka II for Poles???

Lets forget about the shinanigans of the prosecutors and politicians and judges
during the Nuremberg trial or even the Tardive Dyskinesia of Eichmann. While I
mention that I do not put much weight into that. So what that Eichmann was fed with
Thorazine. So what that he was spilling delusions about geysers of blood. The
important subject is : how many Jewish skeletons or cremation pyres or cremation pits
were discovered by archeologists at Lwow (Lemhberg).

And indeed, the search was done in that city about 20 years ago especially in
Lysynechi forest. But as usuall when the Jewish deaths are involved the archeology
is classified as secret.

Sincerely Polina

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >It is irrelevant if evidentiary material submitted to the Tribunal was
> >admitted into
> >court records as evidence.
>
> Not at all. It is relevant as it shows that material which was not
> admitted as evidence did not meet the evidenciary standards set by the
> tribunal – something which would have meant nothing if the tribunal
> was a “show trial,” as you have claimed. Had that been true, all of
> the evidence submitted by the prosecution would have been admitted.
> Get used to it.
>
> >The fact that such phoney material was ATTEMPTED , as you admit, to
> >be presented
> >casts indelible shadow on the rest of materials and entire Trial.
>
> Actually, it casts credibility upon the tribunal and its standards,
> although you – for reasons known only to yourself and other deniers –
> cannot see this. It clearly shows that standards existed and were
> adhered to. Sorry about that, but your own contentions are nonsense
> when considered beneath the light of the very evidence you submit in
> your attempt to discredit the tribunal.
>
> >Prosecutors and Judges being the Victors of the WW II had
> >[theoretically] access to
> >plethora and aboundance real incriminating evidece. They had multitudes
> >of personel
> >to reject obviously confabulatory stories and obligation to submit bona
> >fide data.
>
> >The fact that they, the almighty, attempted to submit fabrications for
> >ever deprecated
> >the credibility of the ENTIRE proceedings. Once a liar always a liar.
>
> Sorry about that, but, once again, you have only managed to defeat
> your own “case” and show the validity of the evidenciary process.
> Thank you so much for doing that!
>
> >Prosecutors should be riding on white horse in shining armors not dressed in
> >fabrications and martyrological mythology or outright psychotic
> >delusions of liberated
> >and hysterical survivors expecting remuneration and favors for their
> >phoney stories.
>
> _Judges_ decide whether or not evidence is worthy of submission, not
> attornies for defence or prosecution. By your rather strange
> standards, we would have to dismiss just about every civil and
> criminal trial ever held…. duh…
>
> >Each of the dozens of volumes of the Proceedings should not contain even
> >a SCINTILLA
> >of a questionable evidence.
>
> What colour is the sky where you live? Where did you get your legal
> training? A Wheaties box?
>
> >Nuremberg was not a mafia trial where it is exceedingly difficult to get
> >accurate
> >evidence. All Nazi archives were opened to the victors. They should not need
> >questionable and emotional eyewitnesses. They should not need faked
> >soviet evidence.
> >It should be rejected in the prosecutors chambers and not by the judges!
>
> What a strange concept of trial law you have, “Irene Polinhis
> Miron Nasaduke!”
>
> >Nuremberg was a soviet style show trial, patterend on the Kharkiv and Kransondar
> >trials of summer of 1943, Kyiv 1944 for Babi Yar Lublin 1944 and
> >Leningrad trial of
> >January 1946 during which 12 high german officers were condemned to
> >death for the
> >Katyn massacre!
>
> If that had been true, the evidence would have been admitted into
> evidence, as it always is during show trials. Again, thank you for
> defeating your own case!
>
> Isn’t it reassuring to note that while a Soviet show trial did indeed
> convict Germans for the Katyn killings, the Nuremberg Tribunal did not
> – in fact, as you very well know, at _Nuremberg_ it was conclusively
> shown that Soviet charges were utter crap. How do you explain that,
> “Irene Polinhis Miron Nasaduke?”
>
> >The only difference was that the victims of Nuremberg where hanged
> >secretly while the
> >victims Kharkiv, Krasnodar, Kyiv Lublin and Leningragd were hunged publicly.
>
> Don’t be so modest, old bean… the difference is that the Germans
> were absolved of complicity in the Katyn killings during the Nuremberg
> tribunal, an indisputable _fact_ which throws your entire thesis right
> into the giwer.

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Yale below engages in total disinformation. I am not sure if this is premeditated or
due to his superficial knowledge of the matter. Probably both.

During the WW II there was a total cover up of the Katyn massacre in the media of the
United States of America. Please do not trust me. Please check the New York Times
Index and find one mention of Katyn during mid 1940s. You will find none.

America and GB were engaged in cover up of Soviet crimes

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> Peter Haefner <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> > On 23 Oct 1999 11:44:30 -0400, “Yale F.Edeiken” <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >> The most notorious examples of those false
> > >> documents are the witness testimonies, the
> > >> forensic report and other evidence produced at
> > >> the trial of ten German officers accused of
> > >> murdering thousands of Polish POWs at the
> > >> Katyn Forest.
> > >
> > > You are wrong again. The Soviets presented no doucmentary evidence of
> the
> > >Katyn massacre and what evidence they did present was easily proven
> > >fraudulent to the Tribunal which did not credit it.
> >
> > The Soviets were deliberatly producing false evidence to pin the
> > massacre to the Germans.
>
> That is correct. The evidence they produced, however, was neither
> documentary evidence or eyewitness testimony. They relied on several
> reports from pathologists and some hearsay testimony.
>
> It is now well-known that it was the Soviets as was suspected almost from
> the moment that the massacre was discovered. There was a report rendered
> to the US Department of State before the end of the war which stated that
> the massacre was the work of the Soviets.
>
> There was one fact that put the issue in doubt for many years and,
> ironically it was the forencsic study produced by the nazis. It found that
> the victims had been murdered with ammunition manufactured in Germany.
>
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

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But the Tribunal did not attempt to submit fabrications and, as you now

> admit, did not accept them.

> The only one being a liar now is you.

I object to your assesment.

Incidentally, the Polish government introduced materials about 2,000,000 Jews steamed
to death at the baths at Treblinka. Was this admitted as evidence and what which
death count the Tribunal established as true, could you tell me.

Incidentally, what is your decision on selling me a copy of the video of Eichmann
trial or giving me address where you bought it.

How about the list of Allentown libraries having sets of Nuremberg transcritps???

There are some revisionist who damage the cause and some holocaustians who damage the
Holocaust and you are one of them.

I think Mc Vay and Keren do better job on fighting revisionists. I think you should
help them and not produce your writings. Help them to put more documentation on the
Internet. And there are many which prevent us from sleeping at night.

Listen to prof Hilberg who says that tons of Nazi documents on acid paper never red
desintegrate at the storage in Sutherland, MD.

Polina

> > Prosecutors should be riding on white horse in shining armors not dressed
> in
> > fabrications and martyrological mythology or outright psychotic delusions
> of liberated
> > and hysterical survivors expecting remuneration and favors for their
> phoney stories.
>
> And they put together one hell of a case. It depended almost entirely on
> the documents of the accused and consisted of overwhelming proof which you
> cannot refute except by lying about it.
>
> As you have several times.
>
> > Each of the dozens of volumes of the Proceedings should not contain even
> a SCINTILLA
> > of a questionable evidence.
>
> False. It is the record of a trial. It is the duty of a person compiling
> a trial record to include EVERYTHING from the trial. Furthermore, as you
> now admit, the specific documents you are complaining about were NOT
> evidence.
>
> > Nuremberg was a soviet style show trial, patterend on the Kharkiv and
> Kransondar
> > trials of summer of 1943, Kyiv 1944 for Babi Yar Lublin 1944 and
> Leningrad trial of
> > January 1946 during which 12 high german officers were condemned to death
> for the
> > Katyn massacre!
>
> You are a liar. There is no other word for it.
>
> > The only difference was that the victims of Nuremberg where hanged
> secretly while the
> > victims Kharkiv, Krasnodar, Kyiv Lublin and Leningragd were hunged
> publicly.
>
> No. The overwhelming opinion of those legal scholars who have studied the
> trial is that the defendants received a fair trial. Even those who
> disagree with the IMT trial and the attorneys for the defense have stated
> that. If you really believe the garbage you present, you would have had no
> problem in demonstrating how the defendants were denied a fair trial.
>
> Indeed the actions of Justice Musmanno (in the EG trial) was so highly
> regarded by the defense counsel that they presented him a token of their
> appreciation and cited his rulings in mundane criminal cases in German
> courts.
>
> Not only have you failed to supply a single right of a fair trial that the
> defendants were denied but you have made a fool of yourself when you tried.
>
> Start with the basics of a fair trial:
>
> Were the defendants allowed counsel of their choice?
>
> Were the defendants allowed to cross-examine prosecution witnesses and
> challenge prosecution evidence?
>
> Did the rulings of the Tribunal conform to legal standards of the time?
>
> Were the Defendants allowed to present evidence of their own?
>
> Were the Defendants allowed to testify in their own defense?
>
> Were the defendants, in this case, allowed to make unsworn statements to
> theTribunal that were not subject to cross-examination?
>
> Did the judgment of the Tribunal conform to the evidence that was before
> them?
>
> Each of these questions can be unequivocally answered in the affirmative.
>
> As you have stated elsewhere, you do not even know what happened at the
> trial or what the evidence is. You ahve even demonstrated that you do not
> even know what evidence is.
>
> In short, you are an apologist for the nazis, stamping your foot and
> demanding that others accept your garbled ideas as trueand correct.
>
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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Good evening,

I just received an interesting letter from the Polish Historical
Society.

I was told, but not by Mr. Kuras, (letters author) that the Hitler’s
jig was created from a several splices of Adolph’s one gesture of
stomping foot and hiting his gloves against his tigh with justified
satisfaction. This splicing was apparently made by British
propagandists.

The jig is immaterial in itself. The more important question is that if
the Birts faked this sequence how many other sequences of other
newsreels and documents they faked.

Similarly, if it was proven that Rev Popieluszko the Solidarity priest
was killed by Polish secret police agents, the question is how many
other opponents they killed in more skilful and circumspect manner.

If it was proven that Mr Clinton was cavorting with Monica L. how many
other women he acosted. This can go on and on, but lets go back to the
interestig letter from which we can see that the alcoholism of Mr
Churchill led him to sadism.

I am sure that after posting this letter at the soc.culture.polish I
will be now no longer called Ukrainian but a Volksdeutscher and Mr Kuras
will be called a Neo-Nazi.

I wonder what they will call me when I will post text defending
Japaneese civilians incinerated by American bombers.

October 25, 1999
Letters Editor
The Washington Post
Washington, DC

Dear Sirs,

An eyewitness account from Angus Mac Lean Thuermer (Letters to the
Editor – October 23) reveals that Adolph Hitler never actually “danced
a jig” for any thing else, at the June 1940 armistice ceremony with the
French at Compeigne. Interestingly, another eyewitness account – of an
incident four years later – reveals a most demonstrative Winston
Churchill.

As background, it should be noted that Churchill had initiated the air
war with Germany on May 11, 1940, when 18 Whitley bombers attacked
railway installations in western Germany. And, when Churchill’s War
Cabinet approved the Lindenmann Plan in March 1942, it became official
British Policy to “terrorize” (kill), by bombing, as many German
civilians as possible. (This was readily acknowledged in the official
publication “The Strategic Air Offensive Against Germany” [H. M.
Stationary Office, London, October 1961].)

And, indeed, with increasingly purposeful US assistance, well over a
million German civilians were successfully slaughtered.

We now quote (via Hennig p. 124), Emmanuel d’Astier de la Vignerie,
former French minister of the interior, describing his visit to
Churchill during the war, “Smoking his cigar, Churchill led me into a
large room where a series of stereoscopes were set up next to each other
like milestones. Each one was dedicated to a destroyed city. Churchill
dragged me from one to the next. … so that I could watch the horrors
of Cologne, Dusseldorf or Hamburg passed before my eyes. He himself
was as excited as at a football game. He cheered, praised the
destruction and lauded the hits.”

Jan Kuras

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This splicing was apparently made by British propagandists.
<p>The jig is immaterial in itself.&nbsp; The more important question is
that if the Birts faked this sequence how many other sequences of other
newsreels and documents they faked.
<p>Similarly, if it was proven that Rev Popieluszko the Solidarity priest
was killed by Polish secret police agents, the question is how many other
opponents they killed in more skilful and circumspect manner.
<p>If it was proven that Mr Clinton was cavorting with Monica L. how many
other women he acosted.&nbsp; This can go on and on,&nbsp; but lets go
back to the interestig letter from which we can see that the alcoholism
of Mr Churchill led him to sadism.
<p>I am sure that after posting this letter at the soc.culture.polish I
will be now no longer called Ukrainian but a Volksdeutscher and Mr Kuras
will be called a Neo-Nazi.
<p>I wonder what they will call me when I will post text defending Japaneese
civilians incinerated by American bombers.
<p>October 25, 1999
<br>Letters Editor
<br>The Washington Post
<br>Washington, DC
<p>Dear Sirs,
<p>An eyewitness account from Angus Mac Lean Thuermer&nbsp; (Letters to
the Editor – October 23) reveals that Adolph Hitler never actually&nbsp;
“danced a jig” for any thing else, at the June 1940 armistice ceremony
with the French at Compeigne.&nbsp; Interestingly,&nbsp; another eyewitness
account – of an incident four years later – reveals a most demonstrative
Winston Churchill.
<p>As background, it should be noted that Churchill had initiated the air
war with Germany on May 11, 1940, when 18 Whitley bombers attacked railway
installations in western Germany.&nbsp; And, when Churchill’s&nbsp; War
Cabinet approved the Lindenmann Plan in March 1942, it became official
British Policy&nbsp; to “terrorize” (kill), by bombing, as many German
civilians as possible.&nbsp; (This was readily acknowledged in the official
publication “The Strategic Air Offensive Against Germany” [H. M. Stationary
Office, London, October&nbsp; 1961].)
<p>And, indeed, with increasingly&nbsp; purposeful&nbsp; US assistance,
well over a million German civilians were successfully slaughtered.
<p>We now quote (<i>via</i>&nbsp; Hennig&nbsp; p. 124),&nbsp; Emmanuel
d’Astier de la Vignerie, former French minister of the interior, describing
his visit to Churchill during the war,&nbsp; “Smoking his cigar, Churchill
led me into a large room where a series of stereoscopes were set up next
to each other like milestones.&nbsp; Each one was dedicated to a destroyed
city.&nbsp; Churchill dragged me from one to the next.&nbsp; …&nbsp; so
that I could watch the horrors of Cologne, Dusseldorf&nbsp; or Hamburg&nbsp;
passed before my eyes.&nbsp; He himself was as excited as at a football
game.&nbsp; He cheered, praised the destruction and lauded the hits.”
<p>Jan Kuras
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;
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Two Amici briefs were filed in the Sixth Circuit US Court of Appeals

1) some International Society of Jewish lawyers
2) by Polish Historical Society

Needless to say these were opposing briefs.

I will send you the copy of that brief 40 + page brief if you send me copy of the
video of Eichmann trial and list the “ten public libraries in [your ]Allentown PA
area which have IMT proceedings.

Polina

Ps I no longer have the Jewish brief just their application for leave.

You can also contact PHS at POB 8024 Stamford, CT 06905. They might have more
complete record.

The PHS amicus circulated widely among revisionists and holocasutians and was
discussed in the mainstream newspapers at the time of its submission. Of course, The
Polish Historical Society was called as a Nazi-group in these papers.

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> In several threads on sci.skeptic and alt.revisionism it has been claimed
> that the “Polish History Society” filed an Amicus brief in the John
> Demjanjuk case.
>
> The filing of such a brief requires an Order of Court and is always noted
> in the docket.
>
> A check of the relevant dockets shows that no application to file such a
> brief was ever filed in any case, that no Order was ever issued permitting
> the filing of such a brief, and that no such bried was ever filed.
> Moreover, all of the cases involving Demjanjuk were published and none
> indicated, as is standard practice, that such a brief was filed.
>
> Can you provide a citation for an Amicus brief filed by the “Polish
> Hisotry Society” or are the people who claim that such a brief exists,
> mistaked or dishonest.
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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Guten Abend Dear Ted,
Occasionally you write logical and comprehensible postings and it is worthwhile to respond to
them. See, the end of the world is not near because some do not respond to your posts because
when warranted we do.

Your contra-argument about Israel is excellent. Still I think my theory is correct.
Diasporas start to be active when their homelands are in trouble.

Do you remember how active we were during the Solidarity era?? Or even during the more recent
flood of the century???

Israel is in perpetual danger and it is a perpatually welfare state or a beggar which can not
exist and will instantly collapse if the billions of $$$ and DM do not arrive on time. Every
Jew knows it.

Are you old enough to remember when the Arabs were totally feeble, backward and illiterate
that is during late 1940s and 1950’s and Israel was not afraid of them since soviets did not
support them, Jewish diaspora understood this situation and leisurly forgot about the
Holocaust.

With the conclusions of the Nuremberg Trials for years no one bothered to mention the
Holocaust or Auschwitz. You might say that the term of the Holocaust was invented during the
Eichmann trial and this is a good argument but the 4,000,000 dead at Auschwitz were proven in
this Court and I challenge you to find the term Auschwitz in the New York Times Index for
years 1946-1961.

But When the Soviets linked with Nasser and the security of the Israel became questionable
Jewish diaspora started to get active and went into overdrive after the Six Days War.

I am sure that while today most of us eats pierogi, dances Polkas and thinks how to cheat the
IRS (an all-American pass time) or each other, when the Russia gets stronger and the united
Germans start to reproduce and the sixt partition of Poland will loom (because we did not
link with Ukrainians) then our Diaspora will get active again

Greetings to all of you and God bless you,

Poolina

PS Incidentally dziendobry in Ukrainian is dobryjden’, zdrastwujte is in Russian.
Ted Pioro wrote:

> Dear “Polin”, zdrawstwujte:
> Following your way of thinking “independence creates a passivity” it should be
> said that Israelis fit in, but the truth is opposite for they are more active
> now than they were before gaining their independence. How can you explain this
> phenomenon and how you see the possibility of activating Ukrainian and Polish
> Diasporas?
> Sincerely – Ted Pioro with BUFFS as below and with doswidanja dlja tebja.
>
> —-
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Dobryj den’
>
> To tease you especially my Polish folk, to get attention and to push you
> into action, I greeted you in Ukrianian.
>
> For a holocaust revisionist historian an answer to the question posed below
> is simple.
>
> It will beome even more simple if I include in the list of active diasporas
> Ukrainians and Irishmen and Poles before the end of the WWI (First WW).
>
> Now I am sure you see, that diasporas are active only while their country
> lacks INDEPENDENCE.
>
> After the WWII Poland have had quasi and then full independence. There for
> all immigrants got involved in gettin more $$$ and more $$$ and do not dare
> to opose Jewish defamation because they are afraid of loosing $$$
>
> I am too busy to list prominents of the Irish, Ukrianian and Polish WW I
> diasporas.
>
> You readers do it and continue
>
> Why only Holocaust revisionist can come with the above answer : because we
> revisionist are not blinded by any myths and on the contrary we dehoax them
>
> Polina
>
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Before You criticize anybody, consider what did YOU personally (and
> > Polish emigration generally) did for Poland. IMHO Polish emigration
> > (and emigrations of other postcommunist countries except Baltic
> > countries) is only able to different kind of “preaching” but not to do
> > anything with any sense…
> > Only in Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia their disaporas were really
> > involved in changes and quite helpful. They even bacame ministers and
> > event presidents.
> > Why other disaporas are so bad?
> > cheers
> >
> > Klaudiusz
> > http://www.geocities.com/kwesolek/c-europe.html (Page doesn`t exist)
> >
> > ted pioro <[email protected]> wrote:
> > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/central-europe/?start=751 (Page doesn`t exist)
> > > Sz. Panie K. Wesolek (sorry – in Polish):
> > > No i kto jest winny, ze projekt o dekomunizacji nie przeszedl? Pan,
> > Panie
> > > Wesolek, bowiem za malo wlozyl wysilku dla wyjasnienia ludziom obludy
> > > komunizmu za ktora to oblude przelewali krew, o czym nizej w t.zw.
> > BUFFS:

> > > Month of September was a proper time to remind everybody how it came
> > to the
> > > WWII out of which emerged State of Israel and how to avoid similar
> > conflicts
> > > in the Third Millenium. Read this:
> > >
> > > INTERESTING URL RECOMMENDED BY HISTORY BUFF(S)
> > > From: “Brian Wiesc” [email protected]
> > >
> > > The URL http://www.hollyland.com (Page doesn`t exist)
> > > brings forth an astonishing message that Adolf Hitler was the Founder
> > of
> > > Israel. Some historians have checked authencity of such claim and,
> > encouraged
> > > by a German Court Ruling of 1995 which permits distribution of the
> > book ADOLF
> > > HITLER – BEGRUENDER ISRAELS, translated it into English (in Poland
> > into
> > > Polish) and published under the title ADOLF HITLER – FOUNDER OF
> > ISRAEL, and
> > > subtitle ISRAEL IN WAR – WITH JEWS. Distribution of said book in the
> > U.S. is
> > > carried in the NEW CENTURY PRESS and the MODJESKIS’ SOCIETY, the
> > Publisher.
> > > Author of said book, Hennecke Kardel, 20 years ago suggested that the
> > greatest
> > > conflict in the history of HUMANKIND was the Israeli-Jewish
> > interference into
> > > affairs of European nations. He pointed out that the WWII was a
> > direct result
> > > of this interference. Whether it was possible, whether it was a fact
> > or
> > > imagination of the Author only, whether it will help to avoid military
> > > conflicts in the future, you should read the book. YOU BE THE JUDGE!
> > The most
> > > recently waged war among Jews about their “Chooseness” confirms the
> > book’s
> > > subtitle. In the book the Publisher states that in 1913 in Vienna J.
> > Stalin
> > > (like in 1924 A.Hitler) wrote his own “MEIN KAMPF”, but by V. Lenin
> > it was
> > > ignored because the goal was to materialize K. Marx’s idea of
> > destruction of
> > > capitalism and GOD, causing 65 million humans to perish before the
> > end of WWII
> > > in the USSR alone. And because very renown Rabbis, Humanists
> > (Atheists), and
> > > other Jewish thinkers declare that GOD not exist at all, and J.W.
> > Rice by his
> > > book of 1997 GOD ON TRIAL agreed with, it seems that the Publisher’s
> > new
> > > initiative to put the HISTORY OF MANKIND and GOD YAHVE on a TRIAL is
> > correct
> > > and justified. The recommended book is a first step forward. The
> > Publisher
> > > discerns the HUMANKIND from the MANKIND, because the TORAH (BIBLE)
> > authorizes
> > > this. Therefore it is also worthy of attention the REVELATION in the
> > given
> > > URL.
> > >
> > > Any comments or additions to this, please e-mail: [email protected]
> > > Last updated on 03/15/99 08:26 PM
> > >> > > —
> > > And now what did say about those historical events Rabbi Stephen C.
> > Lerner and
> > > Mark Jay Mirsky on page 21 in their book MY SEARCH FOR THE MESSIAH,
> > New York,
> > > 1977 is this:
> > > “Perhaps the founding of the state of Israel, enthusiasm for western
> > science,
> > > and the EXPERIMENT WITH THAT UNIVERSALIST JEWISH HERESY, MARXISM, has
> > absorbed
> > > the energies of our most creative spirits….and Judaism will begin
> > to step
> > > into its vital and dangerous responsibilities among the nations.”
> > > —
> > > And now a word of competitor:
> > >
> > > “This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized
> > nation had
> > > full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more
> > efficient,
> > > and the world will follow our lead into the future!”
> > >
> > > Adolph Hitler, 1935.

> > > As if the above is not enough, read this:
> > >
> > > “The Communist soul is the soul of Judaism. Hence it follows, that
> > just as in
> > > the Russian revolution the triumph of Communism was the triumph of
> > Judaism, so
> > > also in the triumph of Fascism will triumph Judaism.” (A Program for
> > the Jews
> > > and Answer to All Anti-Semites, pages 143-144 by Rabbi Harry Waton,
> > New York,
> > > 1939). And on pages 36 and 37 he consequently wrote:
> > > “The communists are Marxists, bolshevists, internationalists, Jews,
> > enemies of
> > > the Aryans and their culture. Soviet Russia is ruled by Jews and
> > barbarians
> > > that are incapable of culture.This, then, is the first step in the
> > PROGRAM:
> > > the Jews must reconcile themselves with Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy
> > and
> > > fascism generally.”
> > >
> > > In this way Rabbi H. Waton has confirmed Hennecke Kardel’s claim that
> > the
> > > MEGA-HOLOCAUST had been caused by GENOCIDAL programming of Elders of
> > Zion
> > > (1903) accordingly with the Will of Jahve (read the Holy Bible/Torah).
> > > —
> > > One more source of knowledge should also not bother you:
> > >
> > > The U.S. Senator Daniel P. Moynihan in the Chapter “The Encounter with
> > > Communism” of his book SECRECY, New York, 1998, has revealed how
> > before 1917
> > > the communist Jews infiltrated U.S. Government and in 1933 this
> > climaxed in
> > > recognition of the murderous Soviet Union as a
> > > partner of the U.S.
> > > —-
> > > “Indeed, we [Jews] were at the leading edge of communist
> > totalitarianism, one
> > > of the most murderous movements of the 20th century.” — Barbara
> > Amiel,
> > > Maclean’s Magazine, September 27, 1999
>
> > > For more revelations look into the <http://www.jewsnotzionists.org>
> > !!!!
> > > “Klaudiusz Wesolek” <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > The text of the speach of Mariusz Kaminski in the debate on
> > decommunization
> > > in Polish Parliament (sorry – in Polish)
> > > http://www.ligarepublikanska.pl/dekomunizacja/kaminski1.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
> > >
> > > here , you may see how did they vote:
> > > http://www.ligarepublikanska.pl/dekomunizacja/glosowanie.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
> > >
> > > unfortunately the draft law on decommunization in Poland was
> > rejected…..
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > Klaudiusz
> > ————————————————————————
> > Click on Instant Credit Card Approval at
> > http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/1274 (Page doesn`t exist)
> >
> > eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/central-europe
> > http://www.egroups.com -(Page doesn`t exist) Simplifying group communications
>
> ————————————————————————
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> It seems impossible, but it’s not. Visit GetSmart.com’s Credit Card
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>
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John Talmudicaly splits hair and veers of the principal of the matter.

The fact that Justice Jacson lowered himself to using dirty tricks on Spear
with vaporisation while he had or should have abandance of uncontrovertible
evidence is a great embarassment to this entire [Show] Trial.

John also snipped out my questions how Jackson arrived at such “indirect”
in the first place e.g. prevarication of Jackson’s or survisor’s

Who cares about Nurember?? I do not. The Sulzberger’s New York Times did
not even care about Auschwitz for years. But about that subject in the
next posting.

Polina,

PS Some readers asked me in e-mail how come that I do not react to
invectives slurs personals and gutter language of my holocaustian
opponents.

My response is the following.

1) I know that I will never convince about anything Mr Morris Drs Keren and
Gorski a.k.a ORAC or Yale or Philps or even K. Mc Vay. HOwever,

2) I use them as convenient sounding board and use their frequently
irrational and uncivil responses as a forum

3) I am not afraid that by stating that I will lose them. They are
primarlily compulsive-obsessive arguers and only secondarily
Holocasutians. No reason, NOTHING will stop compulsive-obsessive
individual. There are no effective therapies known for this condition or a
trait.

4) HOw do I know that they are compulsive obsessive? Because they do not
heed the Holocaustianity party line which forbids debate with Revisionist
and because of their persistance and lack of rationality and reason in
their responses.

5) How do I know that I am not compulsive-obsessive [CO] myself?

a) CO restrict themself to one subject be it Holocaustianity or brushing
theeth before and after every meal or even drink, or washing their hands 66
times a day before and after opening the refrigerator. MOreover CO could
not stop their rituals or activity.

You will notice that I post on various subjects and with temporary hiatuses
(hiati ?? in Latin?) when I am busy with every day matters. For me posting
on the net is an educational entertainment.

b) virtually all CO are pedantic even in spelling and I am to lazy to
bother to do the spell check since I learned that you will read me anyway
atrocious errors in spelling and syntax as well as occasional inaccuracies
in the historical details.

Greetings to all from Polina
even to my oponents

John Morris wrote:

> In <[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on 25 Oct 1999 19:06:21
> GMT, [email protected] (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>Astonishing!
>
> >The only “astonishing” item here is your apparently deliberate attempt
> >to suggest that unproven information from the Indictment had any
> >bearing upon the Judgment.
>
> I must demur. Using the keywords “Auschwitz,” “atomic,” and
> “experiment,” I am unable to find any reference in the Nuremberg
> indictments to an experiment to vaporize Jews at Auschwitz with atomic
> weapons.
>
> It is plain that Jackson’s question–the sole reference in the entire
> proceedings–was merely an indirection to induce Speer to testify
> about rumours which the Nazis employed to prolong the war.
>
> You are right that there is no question whether Jackson attempted to
> prove that such an experiment took place. He did not.
>
> This thread has become a mere demonstration of Mr. Dragan’s
> credulousness when dealing with information from Revisionist web
> pages.
>
> [snip]
> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Nizkooks are not members of homosapiens.
> They are members of Judeosapiens.” Joe Bellinger, May 17, 1999.

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Good evening,

Finally, an excellent rebuttal and posting (below) from Mr Candide if I do
not mix up Candide and Odrzanski. Instead sobriquetic oneliners true and
excellent rebuttal. Bravo.

Candide states he is not aware that Polish Gov in Exile was presenting fake
evidence on their own. Dr. Sawicki was the Polish presenter of the
Treblinka industrial murder by steaming 2,000,000 Jews to death. Ask Polish
Historical Society for the complete text. They have about 100,000 pages of
archival material (about one cubic meter) on Treblinka

It was Dr. Dragan from STamford and T. Lazarski from the Hoover Institue in
California who jointly discovered the galleys of the article about Treblinka
steam chambers from the July 1943 issue of the XXth Century the leading
political and intellectual magazine of the British Empire.

>From this research it became evident that Prof Sir Charles Dodd the pres. of
the Royal Soc of Physicians and Surgeons and inventor of the synthetic
stilbestrol was the first WW II Holocaust Revisionist and that the movement
got born during “taking the tea” at the nearby restaurant La Escargote (Pod
Slimakiem) still in existance by Dodd and the editor of the magazine.

Strangely this is within the shouting distance of the domicile of David
Irving according to the last May’s NYT a respected historian with
inappropriate perspective, no longer a Neo-Nazi or lunatic.

Greetings from Polina and thanks for an excellent post.

Candide wrote:

> John Morris wrote:
> >
> > Candide <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >What on earth is wrong with you people? Are
> > >lies and insults your only argument in
> > >discussion?
> >
> > >I gave you a clear link to:
> > >http://www.cwporter.co.uk/k1.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
> >
> > The first thing you should understand is that Carlos Porter is a very
> > bad liar.
> >
> > >It is a document (translated for your
> > >convenience by Carlos W. Porter) introduced
> > >by the Soviets into evidence at the Nuremberg
> > >trial. It opens with the following statement:
> >
> > Yes, it is a document, but it contains no supporting documentary
> > evidence of the Soviet charge.
> >
> > >—————————–
> > >DOCUMENT 054 USSR
> >
> > >Report by a Special Soviet Commission, 24
> > >January 1944, concerning the shooting of
> > >Polish officer prisoners of war in the
> > >forest of Katyn. The executions had been
> > >carried out in autumn 1941 by the German
> > >”Staff of the Construction Battalion
> > >537″. In spring 1943 the Germans, by
> > >blackmailing witnesses into giving false
> > >evidence and by other means, had tried to
> > >make it appear that the Soviet NKWD was
> > >responsible for the shooting of the 11,000
> > >victims.
> > >—————————–
> >
> > >This “document” is an elaborate hoax
> > >describing in minute detail (on some forty
> > >pages of text) how, where and when the
> > >Germans killed the Polish officers whose
> > >mass graves were found at Katyn.
> >
> > >Read it and tell me: is this not a sufficient
> > >example of false evidence given to the
> > >Tribunal by the NKVD?
> >
> > Without a doubt, you have identified a single piece of false evidence
> > presented by the Soviets.
> >
> > But that is not the same as claiming, “It is a well known fact that
> > most (if not all) of the documents presented at Nuremberg trials were
> > fabricated by the NKVD – the Soviet political police, dominated almost
> > entirely by jews.”
>
> I hope it is obvious that this was an accidental
> error on my part. What I intended to say was:
> “… most (if not all) of the documents
> presented by the Soviets at Nuremberg trials
> were fabricated …”
>
> >
> > >Despite your statements to the contrary, the
> > >Katyn massacre WAS very well part of of the
> > >indictment at Nuremberg. Here is a quote
> > >from D. Irving’s ‘Nuremberg, The Last
> > >Battle’:
> >
> > No one claimed that it wasn’t part of the indictment. In fact, it was
> > part of Count Three: War Crimes.
> >
> > What Yale states–and it is quite true–no German defendant was
> > convicted of the Katyn massacre. Rather, the defence successfully
> > rebutted the charge.
>
> Well, not “quite true”. None of the German
> defendants in Nuremberg was found guilty of
> that particular crime, true, but on the base of
> the same false evidence several German
> defendants WERE convicted and publicly
> hanged in Leningrad, during the Nuremberg
> trial.
>
> Also, Soviet prosecutors were not some
> freelancers staging a side show in Nuremberg.
> They were integral part of the prosecuting
> team of the IMT. It was that international
> prosecuting team who made the Katyn
> massacre a part of the indictment, and it was
> the same team who offered bogus Soviet
> documents as evidence. By doing it, the
> Western prosecutors not only compromised
> their professional integrity; they commited a
> criminal offence.
>
> >
> > >”(…) Most outrageously, on General
> > >Rudenkoâ*™s insistence at the very last meeting
> > >of the prosecuting staffs the indictment was
> > >amended to include the murder in the Katyn
> > >forest of 11,000 Polish officers.
> >
> > Irving is right. For once Revisionists are right: it is outrageous
> > that the Soviets tried to pass off their own war crimes as Nazi
> > crimes.
> >
> > >Point 3, paragraph C of the indictment would
> > >read: ‘In September 1941 eleven thousand
> > >Polish prisoners-of-war were killed in the
> > >Katyn forest, near Smolensk.’ ” [end quote].
> >
> > >So, not only did Soviets introduce false
> > >evidence at Nuremberg but they also managed
> > >to attribute their own war crimes to Germans.
> > >And, as if murdering 15,000 (not 11,000) of
> > >defenceless Polish prisoners was not enough,
> > >they also staged a trial of some German
> > >officers who were “directly responsible” for
> > >Katyn massacre, and publicly hanged seven of
> > >them in Leningrad. The film documenting this
> > >execution was shown to the international
> > >members of the Tribunal as part of the after
> > >hours entertainment.
> > >
> > >The Document 054 USSR quoted above is by
> > >no means the only example of the false
> > >testimony fabricated by NKVD and introduced
> > >as evidence at Nuremberg. There are other
> > >”documents”, testifying for example to
> > >4,000,000 gassed at Auschwitz or describing
> >
> > Again, this is a Soviet report with no supporting documentation.
>
> Yes, another outrageous lie offered as
> evidence.
>
> > In
> > this particular case, the Soviets estimated the crematory capacity at
> > Auschwitz and assumed that it ran flat out most of the time. This was
> > a bad assumption as subsequent historical research has borne out.
> >
> > The Tribunal did not cite the Soviet report in its judgment, though.
> > Instead thet cited the testimony of Rudolph Hoess. At Nuremberg,
> > Hoess claimed that Eichmann had told him 2.5 million. But when tried
> > in Poland, Hoess realized that the actual death toll was closer to 1.1
> > million which is, in fact, very close to the death toll cited by
> > Western historians.
> >
> > >the execution steam chambers
> >
> > Sorry. That was part of the US presentation and was based upon Polish
> > reports of observations made at a distance at Treblinka. If Polish
> > winters are as cold as the winters where I live, automotive engine
> > exhaust looks a lot like steam.
>
> Which would suggest Soviets were not alone
> in presenting false evidence. Do you have any
> reference to those mysterious “Polish reports”
> confusing an automotive engine with a steam
> chamber?
>
> > > or underground
> > >electrocution chambers or pedal operated
> > >killing machines,
> >
> > You’ve got me on how gas chambers could be mistaken for electrocution
> > chambers, but I wonder if the other one isn’t a mistake for the metal
> > frame that held prisoners’ heads in place while the “doctors” took
> > racial specimen pictures.
>
> If you saw what pathetic structures pass for
> those so called “gas chambers” in those so
> called “factories of death” you could very
> easily mistake not only a gas chamber for an
> electrocution chamber but the whole “factory”
> for a chicken shack.
>
> > > all of which have since been
> > >proved to be hoaxes.
> >
> > Hoaxes or erroneous information that was long since forgotten until
> > Holocaust deniers had to find something to justify their lies.
>
> Which lies? And by the way, wasn’t your
> battlecry supposed to be: “Never forget!”? 😉
>
> > > Mr. Porter’s website
> > >contains translations of quite a number of
> > >those “documents”, all duly numbered and
> > >referenced as part of authentic Nuremberg
> > >evidence.
> >
> > >I suggest that you read some of them before
> > >publicly making hysterical asses of
> > >yourselves.
> >
> > I suggest you read Mr. Edeiken’s essay on Carlos Porter’s rather free
> > attitude towards evidence before you are mistaken for yet another
> > gullible fool:
>
> I see absolutely no point in wasting time on an
> offensive troll whose polemic methods boil
> down to statements like “you are a liar!” and
> “Porter is full of shit!”.
>
> As to Porter’s attitude, I am not impressed by
> it either, but it is rather irrelevant in this
> discussion. He translated and published on the
> web a series of outrageous, elaborate lies
> submitted as evidence at the Nuremberg trial. I
> am very grateful to him for making that
> material available. If you think he made errors
> or intentional misrepresentations, please,
> share your findings with the rest of us.
>
> Pozdrowienia,
>
> Candide
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> Before you buy.

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John Morris wrote:

> In <[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on Mon, 25 Oct
> 1999 23:34:32 -0400, polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Dear Dr. Orac,
>
> >You would prove revisionists wrong if you could show mass graves on air
> >photos of Babi Yar or Treblinka II
>
> The mass graves are clear and distinct on the September 1944 Treblinka
> II photo. It is just that neither you nor that apologist for child
> molesters, John Ball, knows what to look for.
>

Dear Mr. Morris,

Please also add that these mass graves measure about 400 square meters and
are about 10% smaller than in Katyn. Thus in Treblinka II no more then
about 4,000 Jews could be buried in this post-glacial dune.

Polina

> [snip]
>
> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Nizkooks are not members of homosapiens.
> They are members of Judeosapiens.” Joe Bellinger, May 17, 1999.

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Dear Mr Morris,

1) you are citing search on OCLC from a day or two ago. I was citing results
>from about five years ago. Time accounts for diffrences.

POlina

Nureemberg Trial is non-contributory to the problem of physical evidence of the
Holocaust/

Archeology, forinsic toxicology and air-photography are the primary and
uncontrovertible fields which should be studied. Nuremberg is for you a primary
diversion from the lack of physical hard evidence and for me is good only for
intellectual relaxation and some smiles.

Polina

John Morris wrote:

> In <[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on Mon, 25 Oct
> 1999 15:18:05 -0400, polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Dear John,
>
> >You are citing data from yeasterday. I cited availability from 1995.
>
> >I suspect you will castigate me for not perusing Internet in 1980s or 1970s
>
> >Have reason
>
> Have reason? Tell me how reasonable it is for you to prounounce
> authoritatively on a trial record which you know only by what you have
> read on Revisionist web pages. Tell me how reasonable it is for you
> to claim the right to pronounce authoritatively simply because you
> erroneously believe that the trial record is unavailable to you.
>
> I gave you a list of 22 libraries which allow interlibrary loan. If
> you can’t get across the river to the New York Public Library, have
> them send it to your local library in Queens.
>
> You can use a web browser can’t you?
>
> http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/imt.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
>
> Now you have no excuse for your ignorance. Read the Indictment and
> Judgment in Volume I. That’s the most important part. If you then
> want to assess the validity or quality of the evidence cited in the
> Judgment, *then* go to the individual testimonies of the defendants
> and the testimonies of both prosecution and defense witnesses
> regarding each defendant.
>
> Until then, shut up.
>
> [snip]

> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Fuch the world lets murder people.” — Matt Giwer, October 26, 1999

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Yes, I can show you that they should know.

Polish Government in Exile introduced it apparently only after Jewish prompting.
They knew from the Editors of the XXth Century and the President of the Royal
College of Physicians and Surgeons that that was silly rubbish.

Do not take my word for it Ask Polish Historical Society POB 8024 Stamford CT
06905 for supporting documentation.

Or you are consider Nuremberg prosecutors STUPID? You, a nobody, a legal and
forensic layman, today know that the STEAMING story of 2,000,000 was false. How
come the multitueds of professionals at Nurembers could not figure it out?

I think they felt that this lie will fly and it flew for nearly four deacades,
until the advent of Revisionism.

Polina Borowska

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Candide <[email protected]> wrote:
> […]
> >Also, Soviet prosecutors were not some
> >freelancers staging a side show in Nuremberg.
> >They were integral part of the prosecuting
> >team of the IMT. It was that international
> >prosecuting team who made the Katyn
> >massacre a part of the indictment, and it was
> >the same team who offered bogus Soviet
> >documents as evidence. By doing it, the
> >Western prosecutors not only compromised
> >their professional integrity; they commited a
> >criminal offence.
>
> Was the Soviet evidence with respect to Katyn admitted? Prosecution
> teams often introduce evidence at trial, only to find themselves
> unable to prove the case. Witness the Simpson trial, for instance. Are
> you suggesting that only charges which are guaranteed to be successful
> in court should be allowed? I.e. should we throw out our entire legal
> system?
>
> As it turned out, I would think everyone (but the Soviets, of course)
> would be pleased. The Soviets lost their case, and stood exposed
> before the world as the perpetrators of the crime. The bogus evidence
> was rejected by the Tribunal, which conclusively refuted charges of “show
> trial” in the process.
>
> […]
>
> >> Again, this is a Soviet report with no supporting documentation.
> >
> >Yes, another outrageous lie offered as
> >evidence.
>> ..and rejected by the Tribunal – the system worked, and evidenciary
> standards were applied fairly…
>
> […]
>
> >> Sorry. That was part of the US presentation and was based upon Polish
> >> reports of observations made at a distance at Treblinka. If Polish
> >> winters are as cold as the winters where I live, automotive engine
> >> exhaust looks a lot like steam.
> >
> >Which would suggest Soviets were not alone
> >in presenting false evidence. Do you have any
> >reference to those mysterious “Polish reports”
> >confusing an automotive engine with a steam
> >chamber?
>
> The reports did not confuse an engine with a chamber, they confused
> the exhaust from an engine with steam. That isn’t difficult to
> understand. Again, this charge did not hold up, and was not proven.
> I’d say that’s another plus for the Tribunal.
>
> Can you show that the Prosecution _knew_ the “steam” evidence was
> false at the time they entered it into the Indictment, as the Soviets
> clearly knew their’s was? I don’t know of any evidence that will
> permit us to do that – do you?
> […]
> >If you saw what pathetic structures pass for
> >those so called “gas chambers” in those so
> >called “factories of death” you could very
> >easily mistake not only a gas chamber for an
> >electrocution chamber but the whole “factory”
> >for a chicken shack.
>
> You have seen them, have you? Can you describe them for us?

> The Nizkor Project: An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
> Search: https://nizkor.org/search.html Broken link
> Funding: https://nizkor.org/funding.html Broken link

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Dear Madams and Sirs,

The prolonged and interesting discussion about the Nuremberg Show Trials
nears end. I would like to conclude it under a different title by
translating from German a part of a recent letter by the father of the
modern Holocaust Revisionism Prof Robert Faurisson from France:

“The Verdict at Nuremberg.

The [French] Fabius-Gayssot Law rules that the verdict of the Nuremberg
International Tribunal will ber used a indicator of the magnitude of the
[German] Crimes against Humanity and by used as a touch stone to judge
and sentence those who deny these crimes. Thus one the matter of the
homicidal gas chambers is epiphenomenal of this matter and the history
of the Holocaust.

HOwever it is uncontrovertible that among 84,000 words of the Nuremberg
Verdict in its French edition, there are at most 540 words which in
unclear and obfuscatory manner refer to homicidal gas chambers.

This implies, that only 1/160th of the Verdict, or 0.62% words refers to
this sine qua none, crucial matter.

In other words, 99,38% of the Nuremberg International Tribunal Verdict
does not bother with this subject.” end of Faurisson’s quote

Sincerely, Polina Borowska,
member of the Polish Historical Society

PS Just for fun, I wrote letter to Prof Faurrison asking how many words
in the verdict are devoted to typhus and other epidemics and delousing
chambers.

I bet five dollars that at least 5,000 words!

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Dear Yale,

It is irrelevant if evidentiary material submitted to the Tribunal was
admitted into
court records as evidence.

The fact that such phoney material was ATTEMPTED , as you admit, to be presented
casts indelible shadow on the rest of materials and entire Trial.

Prosecutors and Judges being the Victors of the WW II had [theoretically] access to
plethora and aboundance real incriminating evidece. They had multitudes of personel
to reject obviously confabulatory stories and obligation to submit bona fide data.

The fact that they, the almighty, attempted to submit fabrications for ever deprecated
the credibility of the ENTIRE proceedings. Once a liar always a liar.

Prosecutors should be riding on white horse in shining armors not dressed in
fabrications and martyrological mythology or outright psychotic delusions of liberated
and hysterical survivors expecting remuneration and favors for their phoney stories.

Each of the dozens of volumes of the Proceedings should not contain even a SCINTILLA
of a questionable evidence.

Nuremberg was not a mafia trial where it is exceedingly difficult to get accurate
evidence. All Nazi archives were opened to the victors. They should not need
questionable and emotional eyewitnesses. They should not need faked soviet evidence.
It should be rejected in the prosecutors chambers and not by the judges!

Nuremberg was a soviet style show trial, patterend on the Kharkiv and Kransondar
trials of summer of 1943, Kyiv 1944 for Babi Yar Lublin 1944 and Leningrad trial of
January 1946 during which 12 high german officers were condemned to death for the
Katyn massacre!

The only difference was that the victims of Nuremberg where hanged secretly while the
victims Kharkiv, Krasnodar, Kyiv Lublin and Leningragd were hunged publicly.

Greetings from Polina

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> Candide <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…

> > > Candide lied:
> > >> It is a well known fact that most (if not all) of
> > >> the documents presented at Nuremberg trials
> > >> were fabricated by the NKVD – the Soviet
> > >> political police, dominated almost entirely by
> > >> jews.
> > >>
> > >> The most notorious examples of those false
> > >> documents are the witness testimonies, the
> > >> forensic report and other evidence produced at
> > >> the trial of ten German officers accused of
> > >> murdering thousands of Polish POWs at the
> > >> Katyn Forest.
> > >>
> > >> Nine of the accused have been found guilty.
> > >> Seven of them were hanged and two died in
> > >> Soviet gulags.
> > >>
> > >> After the fall of Communism, Russians have
> > >> admitted that the Katyn massacre has in fact
> > >> been committed by the NKVD and the
> > >> evidence against the accused has been
> > >> fabricated.
> > >>
> > >> Now, I have hardly any sympathy for the
> > >> hanged Germans who had no business
> > >> invading Poland at the first place, but in the
> > >> eyes of law, they were innocent victims
> > >> murdered in cold blood by the real
> > >> masterminds of the Katyn mass murder, who
> > >> shamelessly paraded at the trial as
> > >> prosecutors, witnesses and experts.
> > >>
> > >> This but one example of seemingly endless list
> > >> of false documents used as testimony at
> > >> Nuremberg trials.
> > >>
> > >> More on the subject at:
> > >> http://www.cwporter.co.uk/k1.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
> > >> http://www.cwporter.co.uk/two.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
> >
> > to which a choir of jewish trolls replied
> > (among other things):
> > >
> > > A lie from Candide:
> > > This is, of course, historically stupid…
> > >
> > > It is not only not a “well known fact” but an utter fabrication.
> > >
> > > The Soviets supplied almost no documents whatsoever and the majority of
> > > those they used in evidence were supplied to them by the US army.
> > >
> > > You are wrong again. The Soviets presented no doucmentary evidence of
> the
> > > Katyn massacre and what evidence they did present was easily proven
> > > fraudulent to the Tribunal which did not credit it.
> > >
> > > But you will lie for them
> > >
> > > There was no finding by the
> > > Tribunal that the Germans committed the Katyn Massacre. (…)
> > > No person was, therefore, sentenced to death for the crime.
> > >
> > > Since you haven’t named one your list is not, as you claim, without end
> > > but without beginning.
> > >
> > > The garbage you pass off as “well
> > > known facts” will then be instantly recognized as such.
> > >
> > > In other words, you have absolutley NO proof.
> > > (…) you have no evidence at all to support it.
> >
> > What on earth is wrong with you people? Are
> > lies and insults your only argument in
> > discussion?
>
> Because you ARE lying.
>
> > I gave you a clear link to:
> > http://www.cwporter.co.uk/k1.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
>
> Porter is full of shit.
>
> > It is a document (translated for your
> > convenience by Carlos W. Porter) introduced
> > by the Soviets into evidence at the Nuremberg
> > trial. It opens with the following statement:
>
> That is incorrect. It was never introduced into evidence and
was not used
> as support for the judgment.
>
> ——————
> > DOCUMENT 054 USSR
> >
> > Report by a Special Soviet Commission, 24
> > January 1944, concerning the shooting of
> > Polish officer prisoners of war in the
> > forest of Katyn.
>
> In fact the Tribunal rejected the document as not being admissible in
> evidence.
>
> > This “document” is an elaborate hoax
> > describing in minute detail (on some forty
> > pages of text) how, where and when the
> > Germans killed the Polish officers whose
> > mass graves were found at Katyn.
>
> And was not part of the evidence at Nuremberg.
>
> > Read it and tell me: is this not a sufficient
> > example of false evidence given to the
> > Tribunal by the NKVD?
>
> But it was not part of the evidence at Nuremberg. It was rejected by the
> Tribunal.
>
> In fact, in a heated exchange the American counsel stated that the Soviets
> should be held in contempt for attemting to introduce it.
>
> > Despite your statements to the contrary, the
> > Katyn massacre WAS very well part of of the
> > indictment at Nuremberg. Here is a quote
> > from D. Irving’s ‘Nuremberg, The Last
> > Battle’:
>
> But the judgment of the Tribunal was that their report was rejected and
> the ultimate judgment was that no convincing evidence had been introduced.
>
> > So, not only did Soviets introduce false
> > evidence at Nuremberg but they also managed
> > to attribute their own war crimes to Germans.
>
> As has been pointed out the report youcite wsa not introduced into
> evidence.
> > The Document 054 USSR quoted above is by
> > no means the only example of the false
> > testimony fabricated by NKVD and introduced
> > as evidence at Nuremberg. There are other
> > “documents”, testifying for example to
> > 4,000,000 gassed at Auschwitz
>
> No such document was introduced into evidence.
>
> > or describing
> > the execution steam chambers or underground
> > electrocution chambers or pedal operated
> > killing machines, all of which have since been
> > proved to be hoaxes.
>
> No such evidence was introduced into evidence.
>
> > Mr. Porter’s website
> > contains translations of quite a number of
> > those “documents”, all duly numbered and
> > referenced as part of authentic Nuremberg
> > evidence.
>
> That is incorrect. The ignorant Porter cited no such admission into
> evidence. He cited only to the record of the trial. A record includes
> material which was not introduced into evidence. He was too ignorant to
> know the difference.
>
> > I suggest that you read some of them before
> > publicly making hysterical asses of
> > yourselves.
>
> I suggest you learn what you are talking about before you lie like you did
> here.
> –YFE
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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>>> Priests Murdered in Dachau??? >>> Concentration Camp
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Dear Dr. Orac,

You would prove revisionists wrong if you could show mass graves on air
photos of Babi Yar or Treblinka II and explained why about 50 mass graves
at the Treblinka I are clearly seen in these wartime reconnaissance
photos. Exhumation of these graves revealed about 100 corpses in each, but
no traces of gas chambers and no humongous mass graves to correspond to the
3,500,000 or 2,2000,000 or even the 890,000 victims have been found.

50,000 old and sick Jews were allegedly shot by the Nazis at the Treblinka
II Lazaret. Excavation conducted under the egis of a Jewish Judge
Magistrate Zdzislaw Lukaszkiewicz from the District Court at Siedlce
revealed some rubbish, badges of Jewish policemen (Ordnungdienst) absence
of skeletons allegedly cremated and most importantly absence of at least
50,000 slugs and casings. Instead the careful archeology of the site
discovered about 90 various coins among them several US pennies.

Again, why we do find skeletons of Polish Ukrainian Byelorussian, Russian
and even Finish victims of WWII murdered or executed by beligerents but we
can not find the remains of millions of Jews the Nazis did not have the
time to cremate

Greetings from Polina

Orac wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, “Grazyna Lesniak”
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > polin :
> > (…)
> > >Todays revisionists are like the yeasterdays dissidents of the USSR
> > (…)
> >
> > Let’s revise this comparison.
> >
> > They told the truth. You ask : “prove, that our absurds aren’t lies”.
>
> And then, when we do prove that their absurd statements are lies,” they
> keep repeating them!
>
> [Snip]

> Orac |”A statement of fact cannot be insolent.”–Orac
> a.k.a. |
> David Gorski|”If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
> | inconvenience me with questions?”–Orac again

From [email protected] Wed Oct 27 00:12:29 EDT 1999
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Subject: Re: Sacrificed Inca children
>>> Eichman was soaked with Thorazine not blood from Jewish geysers
…Geysers of blood in Lemberg >>Eichmann:
“I Saw the Most Horrifying Thing I Have Ever Seen”
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Dear Philip,

It is difficult to carry out discourse with a Talmudist.

In general for the benefit of other readers I will explain again.

I am not sure when Eichman visited Lemberg and was allegedly saw geysers of
blood.

Such phenomenon can not be seen and has never been documented in summer or
winter, because the human skin prevents even putrefaction gasses from
escaping from the human body and this is the cause of the postmortem
bloating.

Moreover, decomposition of the human body is severely dependent on the
temperature. It stops below 32F virtually completely, what is most
explicitly illustrated in the latest National Geographic.

After 500 year sacrificed Inka children look like asleep, one girls face is
partially darkend by lightning.

Most of the Jews were allgedly killed in Lemberg after December 1941. In
any case it is my understanding that Eichmann could not be sooner in that
city.

In late September and early October it snowed and rained in Kyiv south of
Lemberg.

I should not be trusted nor Yale. Please call your district or county or
state Chief Medical Examiner Office and speak with any forensic
pathologist. Unlike most of the other doctors forensic pathologists love to
talk. Regular doctors are hearing talking patients all the time. Forensic
pathologists patienst are permanently silent and for this reason they love
to share their knowledge with alive individuals.

Ask them if they ever heard about geysers of blood errupting from any
graves. There are forensic pathologists who specialize in mass grave
examination. They are affiliated with the Amnesty International and their
group is located in Boston. Long distance calls are cheep 10 cents per one
minute.

Instead pondering call the Amnesty of Boston’s Physicians for Human Rights
or if you live in Europe call Hague Tribunal. The prosecutor will give you
their experts coordinates.

I find discussion with my oponent pointless. And what do you think?

Polina

Philip Mathews wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Dear Philip,
> >
> > Your citations support my contention.
>
> False.

> > Burial slows down decomposition
>
> That’s not what you said. You led the reader to believe burial causes
> the process to esstentially cease. That is false. The process proceeds
> in the same way, at a slower pace.
> >
> > And low temperature you did not mentioned (on purpose???) stops
> decomposition. Look at
> > the recent National Gegraphic. Inca children sacrificed in the Ades
> 500 years ago look
> > “like new”.
>
> Explain how temperature applies to the exact example given, Eichmann’s
> visit, which started this thread.

> > Also waxy degeneration, as one found in Belzec, does not occur above
> the ground
> > especially in summer.
>
> Irrelevant to the point. Stick to the point which you raised, which has
> now been shown to be erroneous.

> > Also bloating does not occur under ground in mass graves due to slow
> production of gas
> > and heavy pressure.
>
> False. The same process occurs, only at a slower rate.

> > Moreover, Nazis begun to form Ghetto and kill Jews on mass scale
> (600,000 in total
> > according to Nuremberg data) in Lemberg in December 1941.
>
> This is irrelevant to the Eichmann example.
> >
> > The story of ground swelling and heaving over the mass graves like
> wave on the sea
> > described by survivors is pure martyrological fiction.

> False, as has been shown. You’ve offered large amounts of
> unsubstantiated opinion; you’ve stated the decomposition process stops
> for buried corpses, which is not true; and you’re now trying to
> introduce other killings at other times in order to confuse the original
> issue, which is the Eichmann visit.
>
> As I think is clear, you have no basis for any of the assertions you’ve
> made with respect to the “impossibility” of what Eichmann saw.
>
> Philip Mathews
>
> > Polina
> >
> > Philip Mathews wrote:
> >
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > polin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > Dear Philip,
> > > >
> > > > The geysers of blood are sheer hydrolic and medical impossibility.
> > > >
> > > > In mass grave blood is contained within the skin which can be
> described as a tight
> > > > leather sac and the bodies are gradually dehydrated by the
> ‘hydrostatic’ pressure
> > > > of the soil or corpses above. Think of cottage cheese being
> turned in a cheese
> > > > cloth between two boards into solid cheese.
> > > >
> > > > In the cool or cold and anerobic (oxygen deprived) millieu of the
> mass grave the
> > > > bacterial decomposition essentially ceases. Instead the slow
> growing fungi take
> > > > over. But fungi generally do not produce gases like the anerobic
> bacteria at body
> > > > temperature and above (85-105F) or yeast at 65-75F.
> > >
> > > This is not true. Buried bodies undergo the same five stages of
> decomposition
> > > (Fresh Stage, Bloated Stage, Decay Stage, Dry Stage and Remains
> Stage) as
> > > bodies left above ground .
> > >
> > > What does occur in buried corpses is a different rate of
> decomposition.
> > >
> > > (begin quote)
> > >
> > > Keh (1985) presented Casper’s rule, which states that decomposition
> in air
> > > for one week is approximately equal to decomposition in water for
> two weeks,
> > > which is approximately equal to decomposition underground for eight
> weeks.
> > > Others have also found that burial greatly slows down the rate of
> > > decomposition (Mann et al., 1990; Turner, 1987).

> > > (end quote)
> > >
> > > Using Insects to Determine the Post Mortem Interval
> > > Dr. Bob Randall
> > > University of Saskatchewan
> > >
> > > During this inevitable process of decomposition the corpse
> eventually reaches
> > > the Bloated Stage.
> > >
> > > (begin quote)
> > >
> > > The bloated stage of decomposition begins with the start of bloating
> and ends
> > > with the cessation of bloating (Early and Goff, 1986; Rodriguez et
> al., 1983;
> > > Turner, 1987). This stage of decomposition is characterized by
> putrefaction,
> > > during which the gases produced by anaerobic bacteria cause the
> abdomen to
> > > inflate. The internal temperature of the carcass starts to rise
> above
> > > ambient temperatures due to the activity of maggots and bacteria
> (Early and
> > > Goff, 1986; Greenberg, 1991). The stench also becomes strong. This
> stage is
> > > reported to last three days in the summer, and five to seven days in
> the
> > > spring and fall for fully exposed human corpses (Rodriguez and Bass,
> 1983).
> > > This stage ends when the gases escape and the bloated carcass
> collapses.
> > >
> > > (end quote)
> > >
> > > Ibid
> > >
> > > It is at this stage that large numbers of bodies, releasing gas
> mixed with
> > > bodily fluids, could produce the phenomenon reported by Eichmann and
> others.
> > >
> > > Philip Mathews
> > >
> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> > > Before you buy.

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> Before you buy.

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Dear Mr Mc Vay,

Do not accuse me for not having NIT proceedings. I complained about the fact that
they were hardly accessible even to a ardent student.

I also stated that I do not care about these proceedings as the entire trial was a
show trial. It is not worth to spent time to study them to just slightly embarass
the WW II Holocaust believers.

For years I hammer that the importrant this in this argument is the lack of the
physical evidence of the industrial murder of the Jews. I do not wish to digress
into trivia such as [extorted] testimonies of alleged perpetrators or martyrological
group fantasies of survivors.

Lets go back to the starting point and start looking for the bones of the 3-4M Jews
the Nazis did not have time to cremate.

This is what the prosecution at Nuremberg should have done first place. Instead they
were talking about atomic energy and vaporizing prisoners with it e.g. Justice
Jackson.

Again, Mr Mc Vay where are the bones of the not cremated victims?? Once we establish
their location then it will be worthwhile to review and consider as accurate
testimonies of survivors and official Allied documents including Soviets.

Polina

Incidentally, you holocaustians blame Poles for the 4,000,000 Auschwitz hoaxy
figure. Whom will you blame for the 600,000 victims of Lemberg etc???

The commissar of the Sovinform was Solomon Lozovsky. Smirnov, Porkovsky and most of
the Soviet staff was also Jewish … coincidence??? randomness???

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> […]
>
> >There is entire collection of Soviet delivered documents to Nuremberg I thing
> >designated #6. There are descriptions in them of 600,000 Jewish vitims at Lviv,
> >300,000 in Odessa etc. Polish Historical Society published a booklet on
> >this subject
> >about ten years ago, on the 50th anniverssary of the Babi Yar , which I
> >do not have
> >handy
>
> I have the “red set” here – it contains the documents listed as
> evidence (but not necessarily introduced and accepted as such) for the
> first tribunal.
>
> The designation “#6” is meaningless with respect to documents
> submitted by the Soviets.
>
> Most of the documents submitted came from the American unit in Paris,
> as has already been pointed out to you.
>
> What seems clear to me is that you have no real idea how many
> documents were submitted by the Soviet Union, or how many were
> submitted by others, and you have no idea whatsoever how many of the
> Soviet documents were or were not accepted into evidence.
>
> It is also clear, from your own statements, that you do not have a
> copy of any of the Nuremberg publications – i.e. you do not have the
> red set (https://nizkor.org/hweb/imt/nca) Broken link which lists the
> documents.
>
> That being the case, I cannot understand how you can make assertions –
> which are essentially meaningless (to be kind) to anyone who _does_
> have the publications.
>
> Perhaps you can explain?

> The Nizkor Project: An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
> Search: https://nizkor.org/search.html Broken link
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Dear Mr Mc Vay,

Do not accuse me for not having NIT proceedings.
I complained about the fact that
they were hardly accessible even to a ardent student.

I also stated that I do not care about these proceedings as the entire trial was a
show trial. It is not worth to spent time to study them to just slightly embarass
the WW II Holocaust believers.

For years I hammer that the importrant this in this argument is the lack of the
physical evidence of the industrial murder of the Jews. I do not wish to digress
into trivia such as [extorted] testimonies of alleged perpetrators or martyrological
group fantasies of survivors.

Lets go back to the starting point and start looking for the bones of the 3-4M Jews
the Nazis did not have time to cremate.

This is what the prosecution at Nuremberg should have done first place. Instead they
were talking about atomic energy and vaporizing prisoners with it e.g. Justice
Jackson.

Again, Mr Mc Vay where are the bones of the not cremated victims?? Once we establish
their location then it will be worthwhile to review and consider as accurate
testimonies of survivors and official Allied documents including Soviets.

Polina

Incidentally, you holocaustians blame Poles for the 4,000,000 Auschwitz hoaxy
figure. Whom will you blame for the 600,000 victims of Lemberg etc???

The commissar of the Sovinform was Solomon Lozovsky. Smirnov, Porkovsky and most of
the Soviet staff at Nuremberg were also Jewish … coincidence??? randomness???

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> […]
>
> >There is entire collection of Soviet delivered documents to Nuremberg I thing
> >designated #6. There are descriptions in them of 600,000 Jewish vitims at Lviv,
> >300,000 in Odessa etc. Polish Historical Society published a booklet on
> >this subject
> >about ten years ago, on the 50th anniverssary of the Babi Yar , which I
> >do not have
> >handy
>
> I have the “red set” here – it contains the documents listed as
> evidence (but not necessarily introduced and accepted as such) for the
> first tribunal.
>
> The designation “#6” is meaningless with respect to documents
> submitted by the Soviets.
>
> Most of the documents submitted came from the American unit in Paris,
> as has already been pointed out to you.
>
> What seems clear to me is that you have no real idea how many
> documents were submitted by the Soviet Union, or how many were
> submitted by others, and you have no idea whatsoever how many of the
> Soviet documents were or were not accepted into evidence.
>
> It is also clear, from your own statements, that you do not have a
> copy of any of the Nuremberg publications – i.e. you do not have the
> red set (https://nizkor.org/hweb/imt/nca) Broken link which lists the
> documents.
>
> That being the case, I cannot understand how you can make assertions –
> which are essentially meaningless (to be kind) to anyone who _does_
> have the publications.
>
> Perhaps you can explain?

> The Nizkor Project: An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
> Search: https://nizkor.org/search.html Broken link
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Dear Mr Mc Vay,

Effectivelly cornered you lost your cool, which by itself is an evidence that you
have no strong and valid arguments just adjectives.

While the First World War holocaust was completely forgotten and the WW II Holocaust
withers, under the pressure of revisionists, and the Holocaustians bemoan passing off
of Survivors (if they pass away how we are going to prove it to the future
generations – a standard media cry), you are trying to preserve the authority of the
Nuremberg Trial. Valiant effort Mr Mc Vay, but it will not do.

To be belivable you must come with physical evidence.

I am not 100% revisionist and I am not Nazi apologist. For example lately I hammer
the unexplicable fact that about half of Polish clergy died at Dachau while it was
not so with other nationalities.

I am much disliked by quite a few revisionists and virtually all anti-Semites and to
the same extent by you.

I think I am the only revisionist who appreciates your web page. I think I am one of
very few revisionists ready to become holocaustian again once solid physical evidence
of industrial murder by the Nazis is presented.

Will you become a revisionist when such evidence will not be forthcoming. And where
are cremation pits and remains of mass graves which contained 48,000,000 victims of
Belzec (every hour on the hour 10,000 vctims) or the 1,500,000 victims or at least
600,000 victims.

Why do you think Polish authorities drag their feet with releasing archeology of
Belzec or the Hydrokop report.

These studies should confirm the industrial killing and should be publicized on front
pages of all papers.

And why Nazis did not completely covered the traces of their crime???

Why they did not bother even to start cremations at the mass graves of the 10,000
vixctims of the Treblinka II for Poles???

Lets forget about the shinanigans of the prosecutors and politicians and judges
during the Nuremberg trial or even the Tardive Dyskinesia of Eichmann. While I
mention that I do not put much weight into that. So what that Eichmann was fed with
Thorazine. So what that he was spilling delusions about geysers of blood. The
important subject is : how many Jewish skeletons or cremation pyres or cremation pits
were discovered by archeologists at Lwow (Lemhberg).

And indeed, the search was done in that city about 20 years ago especially in
Lysynechi forest. But as usuall when the Jewish deaths are involved the archeology
is classified as secret.

Sincerely Polina

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >It is irrelevant if evidentiary material submitted to the Tribunal was
> >admitted into
> >court records as evidence.
>
> Not at all. It is relevant as it shows that material which was not
> admitted as evidence did not meet the evidenciary standards set by the
> tribunal – something which would have meant nothing if the tribunal
> was a “show trial,” as you have claimed. Had that been true, all of
> the evidence submitted by the prosecution would have been admitted.
> Get used to it.
>
> >The fact that such phoney material was ATTEMPTED , as you admit, to
> >be presented
> >casts indelible shadow on the rest of materials and entire Trial.
>
> Actually, it casts credibility upon the tribunal and its standards,
> although you – for reasons known only to yourself and other deniers –
> cannot see this. It clearly shows that standards existed and were
> adhered to. Sorry about that, but your own contentions are nonsense
> when considered beneath the light of the very evidence you submit in
> your attempt to discredit the tribunal.
>
> >Prosecutors and Judges being the Victors of the WW II had
> >[theoretically] access to
> >plethora and aboundance real incriminating evidece. They had multitudes
> >of personel
> >to reject obviously confabulatory stories and obligation to submit bona
> >fide data.
>
> >The fact that they, the almighty, attempted to submit fabrications for
> >ever deprecated
> >the credibility of the ENTIRE proceedings. Once a liar always a liar.
>
> Sorry about that, but, once again, you have only managed to defeat
> your own “case” and show the validity of the evidenciary process.
> Thank you so much for doing that!
>
> >Prosecutors should be riding on white horse in shining armors not dressed in
> >fabrications and martyrological mythology or outright psychotic
> >delusions of liberated
> >and hysterical survivors expecting remuneration and favors for their
> >phoney stories.
>
> _Judges_ decide whether or not evidence is worthy of submission, not
> attornies for defence or prosecution. By your rather strange
> standards, we would have to dismiss just about every civil and
> criminal trial ever held…. duh…
>
> >Each of the dozens of volumes of the Proceedings should not contain even
> >a SCINTILLA
> >of a questionable evidence.
>
> What colour is the sky where you live? Where did you get your legal
> training? A Wheaties box?
>
> >Nuremberg was not a mafia trial where it is exceedingly difficult to get
> >accurate
> >evidence. All Nazi archives were opened to the victors. They should not need
> >questionable and emotional eyewitnesses. They should not need faked
> >soviet evidence.
> >It should be rejected in the prosecutors chambers and not by the judges!
>
> What a strange concept of trial law you have, “Irene Polinhis
> Miron Nasaduke!”
>
> >Nuremberg was a soviet style show trial, patterend on the Kharkiv and Kransondar
> >trials of summer of 1943, Kyiv 1944 for Babi Yar Lublin 1944 and
> >Leningrad trial of
> >January 1946 during which 12 high german officers were condemned to
> >death for the
> >Katyn massacre!
>
> If that had been true, the evidence would have been admitted into
> evidence, as it always is during show trials. Again, thank you for
> defeating your own case!
>
> Isn’t it reassuring to note that while a Soviet show trial did indeed
> convict Germans for the Katyn killings, the Nuremberg Tribunal did not
> – in fact, as you very well know, at _Nuremberg_ it was conclusively
> shown that Soviet charges were utter crap. How do you explain that,
> “Irene Polinhis Miron Nasaduke?”
>
> >The only difference was that the victims of Nuremberg where hanged
> >secretly while the
> >victims Kharkiv, Krasnodar, Kyiv Lublin and Leningragd were hunged publicly.
>
> Don’t be so modest, old bean… the difference is that the Germans
> were absolved of complicity in the Katyn killings during the Nuremberg
> tribunal, an indisputable _fact_ which throws your entire thesis right
> into the giwer.

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Yale below engages in total disinformation. I am not sure if this is premeditated or
due to his superficial knowledge of the matter. Probably both.

During the WW II there was a total cover up of the Katyn massacre in the media of the
United States of America. Please do not trust me. Please check the New York Times
Index and find one mention of Katyn during mid 1940s. You will find none.

America and GB were engaged in cover up of Soviet crimes

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> Peter Haefner <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> > On 23 Oct 1999 11:44:30 -0400, “Yale F.Edeiken” <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >> The most notorious examples of those false
> > >> documents are the witness testimonies, the
> > >> forensic report and other evidence produced at
> > >> the trial of ten German officers accused of
> > >> murdering thousands of Polish POWs at the
> > >> Katyn Forest.
> > >
> > > You are wrong again. The Soviets presented no doucmentary evidence of
> the
> > >Katyn massacre and what evidence they did present was easily proven
> > >fraudulent to the Tribunal which did not credit it.
> >
> > The Soviets were deliberatly producing false evidence to pin the
> > massacre to the Germans.
>
> That is correct. The evidence they produced, however, was neither
> documentary evidence or eyewitness testimony. They relied on several
> reports from pathologists and some hearsay testimony.
>
> It is now well-known that it was the Soviets as was suspected almost from
> the moment that the massacre was discovered. There was a report rendered
> to the US Department of State before the end of the war which stated that
> the massacre was the work of the Soviets.
>
> There was one fact that put the issue in doubt for many years and,
> ironically it was the forencsic study produced by the nazis. It found that
> the victims had been murdered with ammunition manufactured in Germany.
>
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

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But the Tribunal did not attempt to submit fabrications and, as you now

> admit, did not accept them.

> The only one being a liar now is you.

I object to your assesment.

Incidentally, the Polish government introduced materials about 2,000,000 Jews steamed
to death at the baths at Treblinka. Was this admitted as evidence and what which
death count the Tribunal established as true, could you tell me.

Incidentally, what is your decision on selling me a copy of the video of Eichmann
trial or giving me address where you bought it.

How about the list of Allentown libraries having sets of Nuremberg transcritps???

There are some revisionist who damage the cause and some holocaustians who damage the
Holocaust and you are one of them.

I think Mc Vay and Keren do better job on fighting revisionists. I think you should
help them and not produce your writings. Help them to put more documentation on the
Internet. And there are many which prevent us from sleeping at night.

Listen to prof Hilberg who says that tons of Nazi documents on acid paper never red
desintegrate at the storage in Sutherland, MD.

Polina

> > Prosecutors should be riding on white horse in shining armors not dressed
> in
> > fabrications and martyrological mythology or outright psychotic delusions
> of liberated
> > and hysterical survivors expecting remuneration and favors for their
> phoney stories.
>
> And they put together one hell of a case. It depended almost entirely on
> the documents of the accused and consisted of overwhelming proof which you
> cannot refute except by lying about it.
>
> As you have several times.
>
> > Each of the dozens of volumes of the Proceedings should not contain even
> a SCINTILLA
> > of a questionable evidence.
>
> False. It is the record of a trial. It is the duty of a person compiling
> a trial record to include EVERYTHING from the trial. Furthermore, as you
> now admit, the specific documents you are complaining about were NOT
> evidence.
>
> > Nuremberg was a soviet style show trial, patterend on the Kharkiv and
> Kransondar
> > trials of summer of 1943, Kyiv 1944 for Babi Yar Lublin 1944 and
> Leningrad trial of
> > January 1946 during which 12 high german officers were condemned to death
> for the
> > Katyn massacre!
>
> You are a liar. There is no other word for it.
>
> > The only difference was that the victims of Nuremberg where hanged
> secretly while the
> > victims Kharkiv, Krasnodar, Kyiv Lublin and Leningragd were hunged
> publicly.
>
> No. The overwhelming opinion of those legal scholars who have studied the
> trial is that the defendants received a fair trial. Even those who
> disagree with the IMT trial and the attorneys for the defense have stated
> that. If you really believe the garbage you present, you would have had no
> problem in demonstrating how the defendants were denied a fair trial.
>
> Indeed the actions of Justice Musmanno (in the EG trial) was so highly
> regarded by the defense counsel that they presented him a token of their
> appreciation and cited his rulings in mundane criminal cases in German
> courts.
>
> Not only have you failed to supply a single right of a fair trial that the
> defendants were denied but you have made a fool of yourself when you tried.
>
> Start with the basics of a fair trial:
>
> Were the defendants allowed counsel of their choice?
>
> Were the defendants allowed to cross-examine prosecution witnesses and
> challenge prosecution evidence?
>
> Did the rulings of the Tribunal conform to legal standards of the time?
>
> Were the Defendants allowed to present evidence of their own?
>
> Were the Defendants allowed to testify in their own defense?
>
> Were the defendants, in this case, allowed to make unsworn statements to
> theTribunal that were not subject to cross-examination?
>
> Did the judgment of the Tribunal conform to the evidence that was before
> them?
>
> Each of these questions can be unequivocally answered in the affirmative.
>
> As you have stated elsewhere, you do not even know what happened at the
> trial or what the evidence is. You ahve even demonstrated that you do not
> even know what evidence is.
>
> In short, you are an apologist for the nazis, stamping your foot and
> demanding that others accept your garbled ideas as trueand correct.
>
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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Good evening,

I just received an interesting letter from the Polish Historical
Society.

I was told, but not by Mr. Kuras, (letters author) that the Hitler’s
jig was created from a several splices of Adolph’s one gesture of
stomping foot and hiting his gloves against his tigh with justified
satisfaction. This splicing was apparently made by British
propagandists.

The jig is immaterial in itself. The more important question is that if
the Birts faked this sequence how many other sequences of other
newsreels and documents they faked.

Similarly, if it was proven that Rev Popieluszko the Solidarity priest
was killed by Polish secret police agents, the question is how many
other opponents they killed in more skilful and circumspect manner.

If it was proven that Mr Clinton was cavorting with Monica L. how many
other women he acosted. This can go on and on, but lets go back to the
interestig letter from which we can see that the alcoholism of Mr
Churchill led him to sadism.

I am sure that after posting this letter at the soc.culture.polish I
will be now no longer called Ukrainian but a Volksdeutscher and Mr Kuras
will be called a Neo-Nazi.

I wonder what they will call me when I will post text defending
Japaneese civilians incinerated by American bombers.

October 25, 1999
Letters Editor
The Washington Post
Washington, DC

Dear Sirs,
An eyewitness account from Angus Mac Lean Thuermer (Letters to the
Editor – October 23) reveals that Adolph Hitler never actually “danced
a jig” for any thing else, at the June 1940 armistice ceremony with the
French at Compeigne. Interestingly, another eyewitness account – of an
incident four years later – reveals a most demonstrative Winston
Churchill.

As background, it should be noted that Churchill had initiated the air
war with Germany on May 11, 1940, when 18 Whitley bombers attacked
railway installations in western Germany. And, when Churchill’s War
Cabinet approved the Lindenmann Plan in March 1942, it became official
British Policy to “terrorize” (kill), by bombing, as many German
civilians as possible. (This was readily acknowledged in the official
publication “The Strategic Air Offensive Against Germany” [H. M.
Stationary Office, London, October 1961].)

And, indeed, with increasingly purposeful US assistance, well over a
million German civilians were successfully slaughtered.

We now quote (via Hennig p. 124), Emmanuel d’Astier de la Vignerie,
former French minister of the interior, describing his visit to
Churchill during the war, “Smoking his cigar, Churchill led me into a
large room where a series of stereoscopes were set up next to each other
like milestones. Each one was dedicated to a destroyed city. Churchill
dragged me from one to the next. … so that I could watch the horrors
of Cologne, Dusseldorf or Hamburg passed before my eyes. He himself
was as excited as at a football game. He cheered, praised the
destruction and lauded the hits.”

Jan Kuras
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Good evening,
<p>I just received an interesting letter from the Polish Historical Society.
<p>I&nbsp; was told, but not by Mr. Kuras, (letters author) that the Hitler’s
jig was created from a several splices of Adolph’s one gesture of stomping
foot and hiting his gloves against his tigh with justified satisfaction.&nbsp;
This splicing was apparently made by British propagandists.
<p>The jig is immaterial in itself.&nbsp; The more important question is
that if the Birts faked this sequence how many other sequences of other
newsreels and documents they faked.
<p>Similarly, if it was proven that Rev Popieluszko the Solidarity priest
was killed by Polish secret police agents, the question is how many other
opponents they killed in more skilful and circumspect manner.
<p>If it was proven that Mr Clinton was cavorting with Monica L. how many
other women he acosted.&nbsp; This can go on and on,&nbsp; but lets go
back to the interestig letter from which we can see that the alcoholism
of Mr Churchill led him to sadism.
<p>I am sure that after posting this letter at the soc.culture.polish I
will be now no longer called Ukrainian but a Volksdeutscher and Mr Kuras
will be called a Neo-Nazi.

<p>I wonder what they will call me when I will post text defending Japaneese
civilians incinerated by American bombers.
<p>October 25, 1999
<br>Letters Editor
<br>The Washington Post
<br>Washington, DC
<p>Dear Sirs,
<p>An eyewitness account from Angus Mac Lean Thuermer&nbsp; (Letters to
the Editor – October 23) reveals that Adolph Hitler never actually&nbsp;
“danced a jig” for any thing else, at the June 1940 armistice ceremony
with the French at Compeigne.&nbsp; Interestingly,&nbsp; another eyewitness
account – of an incident four years later – reveals a most demonstrative
Winston Churchill.
<p>As background, it should be noted that Churchill had initiated the air
war with Germany on May 11, 1940, when 18 Whitley bombers attacked railway
installations in western Germany.&nbsp; And, when Churchill’s&nbsp; War
Cabinet approved the Lindenmann Plan in March 1942, it became official
British Policy&nbsp; to “terrorize” (kill), by bombing, as many German
civilians as possible.&nbsp; (This was readily acknowledged in the official
publication “The Strategic Air Offensive Against Germany” [H. M. Stationary
Office, London, October&nbsp; 1961].)
<p>And, indeed, with increasingly&nbsp; purposeful&nbsp; US assistance,
well over a million German civilians were successfully slaughtered.
<p>We now quote (<i>via</i>&nbsp; Hennig&nbsp; p. 124),&nbsp; Emmanuel
d’Astier de la Vignerie, former French minister of the interior, describing
his visit to Churchill during the war,&nbsp; “Smoking his cigar, Churchill
led me into a large room where a series of stereoscopes were set up next
to each other like milestones.&nbsp; Each one was dedicated to a destroyed
city.&nbsp; Churchill dragged me from one to the next.&nbsp; …&nbsp; so
that I could watch the horrors of Cologne, Dusseldorf&nbsp; or Hamburg&nbsp;
passed before my eyes.&nbsp; He himself was as excited as at a football
game.&nbsp; He cheered, praised the destruction and lauded the hits.”
<p>Jan Kuras
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;
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