Patr 3, Borowska Polin

Dear Grazyna,

You also do not know that adjectives belong to poetry and not science.

Remember Nicholas Copernicus, the greatest revisionist of all times

Polina

Grazyna Lesniak wrote:

> Yale F.Edeiken
> >polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> (…)
> > Now go a read about the Nuremberg trials and come back with something
> >other than your foot-stamping idiocy.
>
> I didn’t know the phrase “foot-stamping idiocy”.
> If that’s what you think about the author when you read “polina’ s”
> postings – I understand it perfectly now. Thanks ๐Ÿ™‚
>
> Grazyna

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It is extememly difficult to discuss matters with Yale.

Facsimile of Hoess deposition in English allegedly signed by him and being part of
Nuremberg record, available from the USHMM indicates number 2,500,000 plus 500,000
victims who died due to disease and privation.

It is preposterous on the part of Yale to state that Hoess the Commendant of
Auschwitz for about three years had to rely on Eichman from Berlin to know how may
victims he (Hoess) killed. It was duty of Hoess to report these number to Berlin not
vice versa.
Polina

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> > British hangman should be in quotation marks since Hess was hanged a few
> years later
> > in Poland.
>
> But you stated “British hangman.” Apparently you were unaware of that
> basic fact.
>
> > Do not prevaricate and disinforme with it readesrs but give verbatim
> citation from his
> > book admitting to toruturing Hoess!!
>
> Which is a lie. You are asserting it and claiming you rely on it. You
> produce any such description.
>
> > Do not misrepresent picture of handcuffed Hoess who looked cadaveric on
> the day of his
> > transfer to Polish authorities.
>
> There were no marks on his face. Clarke claimed he hit Hoess in the face.
> There are no marks on his face.
>
> > Explain why Hoess confessed to exxagerated 3,000,000 victims in his three
> year regin
> > at Auschwitz. Did he wish to be hanged three times or four times??
>
> He didn’t. You are clearly misrepresenting his statement. He gave a
> figure of 2,500,000 for a period of time including when he was NOT
> commander of Auschwitz and stated specifically that it was an estimate
> based on what Eichmann told him. Both his testimony at Nuremberg and in
> his memoirs was 1,500,000 for a period including the time when he was not
> at Auschwitz.
>
> > I would like to respect you as an honest exterminationist.
>
> But you will tell these known lies continually.
>
> > If you have no good
> > contra-argument admit to it.
>
> The best argument is that you do not what you are talking about.
>
> You continually make mistakes about the most basic of facts.
>
> > To some questions posed by you we revisionists do not
> > have (hopefully as yet) good answeres and we admit to it e.g. why 50% of
> Polish
> > priests died at Dachau while none of Ukrainian or Lithuanian priests.
>
> That is simply not true. This is another example of the type of
> deliberate misrepresentations in which you routinely engage.
> > > > The British hangman and the interrogator of R. Hoess claimed in his
> > > recent book
> > > > that he was tortured.
> > >
> > > First, that is incorrect. The statement was made that when
> Hoess denied
> > > his identity he was struck in the face. The interrogator then went on
> to
> > > state that to get his statement they got Hoess drunk and kept him
> drunk.
> > > This was confirmed by Hoess’ memoirs. Pictures of Hoess exist when he
> was
> > > transferred to the American army less than a week after his “bveating.”
> > > His face is unmarked.
> > >
> > > Second, the “British hangman” made no such statement because he
> does not
> > > exist. After his testimony at Nuremberg Hoess was, pursuant to the
> Lonodn
> > > accord, transferred to Poland the the site of his crimes. He was held
> in a
> > > Polish prison, tried by a Polish court, and hanged by a Polish
> executioner.
> > >
> > > Third, Hoess was a not a witness for the presecution. Hoess
> was a DEFENSE
> > > witness called by Dr. Kurt Kaufmann who represented Ernst Kaltenbrunner
> to
> > > give testimony that was supposed to exonerate his client.
> > >
> > > I am amazed that anyone claiming to be a “researcher” on these
> trial would
> > > not know these simple facts.
>
> > >
> > > Then let me make it simple. Evidence was presented at
> Nuremberg about the
> > > persecution of Christian churchmen, both Catholic and Protestant. The
> > > evidence, as with most of the evidence at Nuremberg, was documentary in
> > > nature. You have claimed that forged documents were used to prove
> these
> > > crimes.
> > >
> > > NAME THEM!!!!
>
> And he still hasn’t.
>
> –YFE

> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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Please provide excact source of citation from Pope Pius XII

Thanks Polina

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> PONIECKA <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> > (copied from soc.culture.polish)
>
> > “Polina Borowska” wrote:
> >
> > I’m combining your two posts into one. Also, perhaps you should just
> continue
> > posting these kinds of questions to alt.revisionism, where there is more
> > interest.
> >
> > *** Probably similar sea of information is about Dachau and searching
> > bibliography alone would take a few weeks. ***
> >
> > There is no easy way. You will have to start reading now, immediately,
> and
> > maybe in a few years you will find your answers. Perhaps you can start
> with the
> > book by Msgr. Grabowski, which can be obtained from the Polish American
> Journal
> > Internet Bookstore.
> >
> > *** One would expect that after the horrors of the camps liberated
> inmates
> > should pass away in a few months after their release, would you not
> agree?? ***
> >
> > I most certainly would not. My parents, grandmother and uncle survived,
> but
> > required extensive medical treatments, and suffered ill effects all their
> > lives.
> >
> > I hope this news won’t shock you, but there are survivors of death camps
> or
> > concentration camps who are still alive today. You may have to perform a
> > revision of your current thinking.
> >
> > *** My relatives and acquaintances who survived Siberian camps usually
> returned
> > toothless and prematurely aged and died within years after their release
> in
> > late 1950s.***
> >
> > I’ve actually met more Siberian survivors than Nazi camp survivors. Some
> were
> > children at the time. Have you heard of the Afrikaner organization?
> >
> > *** Did you also notice Mrs Poniecka that there is a virtual absence of
> > memoirs of Siberia survivors? ***
> >
> > That is not true. In fact, more have been appearing in English recently.
> >
> > *** Not that I believe in survivors or refugees stories.***
> >
> > You didn’t believe your own relatives, who survived Siberian camps?
> >
> > *** Without reading Rev Grabowski memoir I classify it as such a
> confabulatory
> > martyrological story. ***
> >
> > If you have trouble obtaining it, let me know and I’ll contact the
> editor.
> >
> > *** Is it possible that Hitler imprisoned 1,800 Polish priest for their
> Polish
> > patriotism and anti-Nazis stand??? ***
> >
> > If this were absolutely and unequivocally true, it would not explain some
> of
> > the brutal treatment of priests of various nationalities, which ridiculed
> the
> > Christian religion and its symbols, especially the cross. Examples:
> >
> > At Mauthausen/Gusen: Dr.Johann Gruber, Austrian priest, was killed
> personally
> > after 3 days of torture by the commander of KZ Gusen Camp,
> SS-Hauptsturmfueher
> > Seidler, on Holy Friday at 3 p.m. with the words: “Like your teacher
> (Jesus),
> > you also shall die at the 3rd hour!”.
> >
> > Also at Gusen, since all religious practices were forbidden, many priests
> were
> > punished or killed when exposed as priests or when betrayed for
> practicing
> > their faith.
> >
> > At Dachau: On Good Friday in 1943, an SS man whipped a priest with a
> piece of
> > barbed wire, then wrapped it around the priest’s head, shouting, “Did you
> know
> > that Christ died today?”
> >
> > The Pope himself drew special attention to the fate of Archbishop Julian
> > Nowowiejski, who at the age of 83 was beaten, stripped naked and
> humiliated by
> > concentration camp guards for refusing to step on his bishop’s cross.
> >
> > According to another reference, “The Fuhrer’s pet philosopher, Alfred
> > Rosenberg, drew up a 30-point plan for a “Reich Church”; points 18-20
> decreed
> > that: “… the Bible be removed from all churches, to be replaced with
> the one
> > true book, Mein Kampf. A sword must be placed on the altar; all
> crucifixes
> > shall be replaced with the only unconquerable symbol, the swastika…”
> >
> > Ms. Borowska, I have no interest in your questions, I have no intention
> of
> > answering your questions, and I am not responsible for answering your
> > questions. Good luck in your quest for the truth, but you will have to
> find it
> > yourself. If all else fails, try the Dachau Museum.
> >
> > PONIECKA
>
> The basic attitude of the nazi hierarchy toward ALL religion that they did
> not control was one of extermination. as Bormann stated “National
> Socialist and Christian concepts are irreconcileable. . . ”
>
> It should be noted that not only did Pope Pius XII (a personal
> acquaintance of Hitler) bitterly protest the treatment of the Catholic
> Church but in 1937 Pope Pius XI (who had to deal with Hilter) described the
> nazi attitude about the Catholic Church as a war of “extermination.”
>
> It always amazes me that the defenders of Hitler’s foul regime, answer the
> fact of the nazi war against Christianity with witless nattering and
> bizarre allegations that those two popes were “Communists.”

> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/
>
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Philip Mathews wrote:

> In >Message-id: <[email protected]>
> >
>
> >polin [email protected] wrote:
>
> >British hangman should be in quotation marks since Hess was hanged a few
> >years later
> >in Poland.
>
> In other words he had no British hangman as you asserted in your prior post. Do
> you believe putting quotation marks around the term changes it from a falsehood
> to something truthful?

> >Do not prevaricate and disinforme with it readesrs but give verbatim citation
> >from his
> >book admitting to toruturing Hoess!!
>
> I think this would be better directed to you, since you made the initial
> charge. How about it!

> >Do not misrepresent picture of handcuffed Hoess who looked cadaveric on the
> >day of his
> >transfer to Polish authorities.
>
> What is your evidence for this?

His gaunt appereance in the photo.

> >Explain why Hoess confessed to exxagerated 3,000,000 victims in his three
> >year regin
> >at Auschwitz. Did he wish to be hanged three times or four times??
>
> Explain how this has anything to do with your charge of torture?

Unless forced, people do not generally admit to crimes they did not pepetrated

> >I would like to respect you as an honest exterminationist. If you have no
> >good
> >contra-argument admit to it. To some questions posed by you we revisionists
> >do not
> >have (hopefully as yet) good answeres and we admit to it e.g. why 50% of
> >Polish
> >priests died at Dachau while none of Ukrainian or Lithuanian priests.
>
> Now if you would only stop posting denier propoganda (you and your ilk are not
> revisionists, because revisionism is performed by historians)!
>
> Philip Mathews

> >Polina
> >
> >Polina
> >”Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:
> >
> >> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> >> <[email protected]>…
> >>
> >> > “Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> >> > > <[email protected]>…
> >>
> >> > > > who cares about [extorted] testimonies obtained
> >> > > > during Nuremberg trials?
> >> > >
> >> > > Anybody interested in the history of the period.
> >> > >
> >> > > But since you claim otherwise, please name a single prosecution
> >> witness
> >> > > whose testimony was “extorted”
> >>
> >> > The British hangman and the interrogator of R. Hoess claimed in his
> >> recent book
> >> > that he was tortured.
> >>
> >> First, that is incorrect. The statement was made that when Hoess
> >denied
> >> his identity he was struck in the face. The interrogator then went on to
> >> state that to get his statement they got Hoess drunk and kept him drunk.
> >> This was confirmed by Hoess’ memoirs. Pictures of Hoess exist when he was
> >> transferred to the American army less than a week after his “bveating.”
> >> His face is unmarked.
> >>
> >> Second, the “British hangman” made no such statement because he
> >does not
> >> exist. After his testimony at Nuremberg Hoess was, pursuant to the Lonodn
> >> accord, transferred to Poland the the site of his crimes. He was held in a
> >> Polish prison, tried by a Polish court, and hanged by a Polish executioner.
> >>
> >> Third, Hoess was a not a witness for the presecution. Hoess was a
> >DEFENSE
> >> witness called by Dr. Kurt Kaufmann who represented Ernst Kaltenbrunner to
> >> give testimony that was supposed to exonerate his client.
> >>
> >> I am amazed that anyone claiming to be a “researcher” on these
> >trial would
> >> not know these simple facts.
> >>
> >> > > or a signle document named in the analysis
> >> > > of the nazi war against Christianity which was not proved to be
> >> authentic.
> >>
> >> > The above is incomprehensible to me.
> >>
> >> Then let me make it simple. Evidence was presented at Nuremberg
> >about the
> >> persecution of Christian churchmen, both Catholic and Protestant. The
> >> evidence, as with most of the evidence at Nuremberg, was documentary in
> >> nature. You have claimed that forged documents were used to prove these
> >> crimes.
> >>
> >> NAME THEM!!!!

> >> –YFE
> >> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> >> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> >> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ Broken link
> >> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/
> >
> “Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing
> knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be ignorant
> than would take even a little trouble to acquire it.” Samuel Johnson

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Dear Orac,

Are these samples of rational responses they tought you in your Medical
School? Dispensing adjectives instead doing experiments and from them
designing therapies medical or surgical or forensic?

Polina

Orac wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > ZGram – Where Truth is Destiny and Destination
> >
> > Copyright (c) 1999 – Ingrid A. Rimland
> >
> > October 23, 1999
> >
> > Good Morning from the Zundelsite:
> >
> > Today I want to pitch something quite extraordinary – a brand new
> > magazine
> > called, most appropriately, The Revisionist, which will be ***given
> > away***. That’s right. It will be given away to students at colleges,
> > courtesy of CODOH’s Bradley Smith.
>
> As if anyone would pay for it! I expect to see it lining the bottoms of
> bird cages around campuses very soon. At least then it would be fulfilling
> a useful function.
>
> > Another mighty milestone taken!
>
> Yep, revisionist words as a toilet for birds. It is very appropriate.
>
> [Snip]

> Orac |”A statement of fact cannot be insolent.”–Orac
> a.k.a. |
> David Gorski|”If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
> | inconvenience me with questions?”–Orac again

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Orac who lists himself as a.k.a. David Gorski see bottom of this page is an
important figure on alt.revisionism

He is perhaps the best educated anti-revisionist being a PhD if I am not
mistaken and a young surgeon from Chicago area.

Frequenting recently alt.revisionism I noticed that there are no other so
erudite anti-revisionists and so civil in their responses as him. It is
unfortunate that lately he resorts to on-liners suffused with adjectives and
not facts, but responding factualy on internet takes time and him being I
presume busy, surgeon it has to be excused.

Still I wish to point that Dr. Gorski, paradoxically, is a revisionist at
heart. The word is out since publication of the book by prof Lipstadt that we
Jews and Holocaustians do not get into discources or discussions or rebutals
with revisionists. And virtually every erudite Jew and every academic
Holocaustian toes the party line.

Like the Pope they never lower themself to debate with his/their intellectual
opponents. Only Orac does it … because he is like the Jewish philosopher
Spinoza a revisionist at heart.

My restrained admiration to you Orac.

Polina, the perenial revisionist

Orac wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, “Grazyna Lesniak”
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Orac :
> >
> > >Yes, you definitely don’t want to get into e-mail exchanges with
> > “Polina”
> > >(a.k.a. Pawlikowski). He has no compunction about posting private
> > e-mail
> > >to public Usenet newsgroups. He did it to me once many months ago on
> > >alt.revisionism.

> > To be honest – it doesn’t matter. I don’t change my mind in private ๐Ÿ™‚
> > Anyway – thanks.
>
> Whether or not you change your mind in private is really not the point,
> actually. There’s the tendency to say things in private e-mail that you
> wouldn’t post to Usenet. At least for me that’s true, and it appears to be
> true for many people, hence my warning to you. Pawlikoski didn’t really
> post anything that embarrassed me, but the principle that private e-mail
> should not be posted in a public forum without the author’s permission was
> violated, and that ticked me off.
>
> Also, Pawlikowski is an unrepentant Holocaust denier and anti-Semite, but
> you probably already noticed that.
>
>
> > BTW – sorry, off-topic question : do you read my posts in
> > alt.revisionism?
> > I’m not able to read this NG and when I send my posts in this thread my
> > computer “can’t convert alt.rev.”. Just curious.
>
> Yes, I am posting this from alt.revisionism. I do not frequent any of the
> newsgroups on Subject: header line.

> Orac |”A statement of fact cannot be insolent.”–Orac
> a.k.a. |
> David Gorski|”If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
> | inconvenience me with questions?”–Orac again

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Dear Mr. Mc Vay,

Many thanks for your response and help.

In 1994-1996 when I was studying Nuremberg trials Yale International Law
Library did NOT have complete set on their shelves. Perhaps since they
obtained missing volumes. I will certainly refer to Avalon web project!
Thank you for pointing me in this direction.

For about a decade I am trying to find a set in used book stores in NYC area
to no avail. Simultaneously I called about 30 nearby libraries asking if
they still do not have a set in a storage pepared for discarding as “not
circulating” and also met with no sucess an older librarians told me they
discarded it decades ago as dust colleting and shelf occupying volumes.

Apperently, our parents and grandparents still remembering propaganda of the
Frist world war did not take the Nuremberg trials seriously, as most of us
does it today.

One of the librarian told me that the set they had they received free from
the Government Printing Office. Since I do not believe eyewitness testimony
I would not take her statement as accurate.

Many thanks for your work at Nizkor. We and especially I a revisionst find
a plethora of useful material at your site. We both see importance of
putting these material of the internet but differ in their interpretation
only.

Sincerely,

Polina Borowska

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I live in Queens, NY and believe it or not I found the only incomplete
> >but the most
> >complete set, and most accessible to me, on which was one in the
> >basement of the
> >obsucre International Law Library at Yale University in New Haven CT!
>
> Yale Law has a complete set – see their Avalon Project on the web.
> Several other sites on the web are transcribing the transcripts from
> the first trial, including the Avalon and Nizkor Projects. Nizkor will
> be finished within 12 months, barring unforeseen problems.
>
> Complete sets are also available through used book stores and rare
> book dealers – I found a complete British set for sale on the web in
> 1997, and bought it.
>
> It is also available on CDROM, but the copy I purchased is so full of
> errors as to be totally unreliable for anything other than an index
> for the hard copy – that’s the Aristarchus disk, but don’t waste your
> money if you want the transcripts for anything more serious than
> indexing.
>
> Try looking a little more diligently, and you will find it.
> —
> The Nizkor Project: An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
> Search: https://nizkor.org/search.html Broken link
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Dear Mr. K.

I do not understand your question and did not say he lied.

Hoes as you know grossly exaggerated the number of victims of his camp in order to
be in accord with the data of his captors i.e. the 4,000,000 which is now greatly
reduced by the orthodox holocaustian scholars and politicians.

Being the Commandant he had to be The Source of the primary statistics and not
Eichmann and Berlin.

He was simply forced to sign the confessions/testimony by his captors. I think
that much is clear.

In regard to Eichmann, his testimony about the geysers of blood in Lemberg is
foerensically absurd. There is an old Roman legal maxime -saying “once a laiar
always a lair”, unless proven otherwise.

More interesting is why Eichmann “lied” on the witness stand in Jerusalem or in
interogation room.

Eichmnann trial was the first to be ever videotaped, then on 35 mm wide
videorecording tape.

His still photos int the glass booth and snippets from newsreel cameras from his
show trial were reproduced over and over the world over. But the incriminating
videotape was embargoed and locked up for near fortry years.

And then a lapsus lingue occured. The restriction on its showing was apparently
forgotten after 40 years and the ABC TV showed it on the Court TV Channel in April
to commemortate the Month of the Holocaust.

When I watched that program I was struck dumb for two reasons:

1) Eichmann in the glass booth was constantly pumping his tongue against his cheek
in a unmistakenable, incontroveritble Tardive Dyskinesia movement. So far Tardive
Dyskinesia has been described only as the common, permanent and disabling side
effect of Thorazine a potent and the first of the modern psychotropic drugs, the
mainstay, to this day, of modern psychiatry.

Soviet dissidents like the Ukrainian (Red Army) rocketry general Hryhorenko were
given Thorazine to subdue them mentally. Since Eichman was determined well
psychiatrically there was no medical need to give him thorazine.

No beatings or tortures were required like from Hoes to extort ‘appropriate’
testimony. An injection of 20 miligrams of Thorazine was turning Eichmann and
soviet dissidents into submissive zombies.

While under influence of thorazine he did not have to be told what to testify he
was inventing and relaying delusions and confabulations satisfying his captors.

I hope this explains to you my position correctly.

I do welcome civil responses to my e-mail which I will not publish on the Internet
as inssinuated by ORAC.

Greetings from Polina and God Bless you.

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> https://nizkor.org
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Facsimile of Hoess deposition in English allegedly signed by him and
> >being part of
> >Nuremberg record, available from the USHMM indicates number 2,500,000
> >plus 500,000
> >victims who died due to disease and privation.
> >
> >It is preposterous on the part of Yale to state that Hoess the Commendant of
> >Auschwitz for about three years had to rely on Eichman from Berlin to
> >know how may
> >victims he (Hoess) killed. It was duty of Hoess to report these number
> >to Berlin not
> >vice versa.
>
> Other than your feeling – i.e. that something someone said was/is
> “preposterous” – do you have any evidence that Hoess lied? Do you have
> any evidence that Eichmann lied?

> The Nizkor Project: An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
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“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> >
> >
> > “Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:
>
> > > polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > > <[email protected]>…
> > > > My title is self explanatory
> > >
> > > And once more displays your ignorance.
> > >
> > > The proof of the experimental attempts to make soap from human
> flesh was
> > > brought by the British based on evidence that they developed.
>
> > 1) Soap can not be made from any “flesh”.
>
> Wrong. Soap is routinely made from animal fat.

In my comprehension “flesh” = meat and fat is not “flesh”. English is a living
language and is used variously by different people. In earlier postings of two days
ago I explained the chemistry of production of fat by hydrolysis of the fatty acids –
glycerol esters (animial fat) and creation of faty acid + sodium hydroxide a water
soluble fat. From 1945-1947 while I was growing up as a little girl in a Polish
village all the soap we used was made at home because it was not available in the
village store. The chemistry of this process I learned in the sixth grade. Do not
trust me that I cite this “scholastic” knowledge, about 50 years old exactly. Do not
trust me as an eyewitness or any eyewitness unless mine and their testimony is proven
by physical evidence.

I have frequently done so using recipes from the 18th century.

I knew that we have something in common

> > 2) Studying the two dozens of fat volumes of Nurmemberg trial proceeeings
> is
> > trying. Virtrually all of public libraries got rid of them because they
> were not
> > used by their readers. None of the 23,000 libraries being part of the
> OCLC have them
> > available for interlibrary loans.
>
> They are being made available on the Internet.

According to yesterday communication – posting of K. Mc Vay they are being made so
still not available in entirety. Dont you read his posts???

> Further more than 10 libraries within a normal drive from my house in
> Allentown PA have copies.

Please, PLEASE give it to me their names by e mail so I might call each of them and
convince them to sell to me their dust-collecting and space occupying volumes. Do not
post their names on Internet because other Revisionists might outbid me!

After I call them all of them then you can and should list them on the Net.
>
> > I live in Queens, NY and believe it or not I found the only incomplete
> but the most
> > complete set, and most accessible to me, on which was one in the
> basement of the
> > obsucre International Law Library at Yale University in New Haven CT!
>
> A copy is in the New York Public Library. The Columbia School of Law has
> a copy as well. You will find that both the Red and Blue series (I’m sure
> you know what they are since you’re an expert on them) are both complete.
> There is a volume of the Green Series missing from both collections.

Thus even in NYC ivory towers the sets are incomplete. I missed the point that I
wrote “which were most accessible to me.” Due to my physical disability I can not
travel by subways to Manhattan. Moreover, if I drive alone I have to use nearby
parking which costs up to $19.00 per hour. I can not aford this. It is less
expensive for me to drive to 60 miles to New Haven than to 5 miles to nearby
Manhattan.

I am astonished that poor and punny Allentown PA area libraries have Nuremberg
proceedings. On the way to New Haven the weathiest public library in the world, the
Greenwich Public Library (just two years ago they received $13,000,000 from the
heiress of the American Tabacco Co, the largest single donor bequest received by a
library in America) does not have the Preoceedings, discarded long time ago. 15 miles
further up on the Interstate 95 there is a public library with the highest expenditure
per person for new book ( about $22,00) in America combined with the highest lending
rate of books per person per year.

This is the Darien Public Library. Darien is a small NYC bedroom community of about
20,000 individuals which while it discarded its Nurmeberg Proceedings it holds on its
shelfs about 40 copies of the [adultered] allegedly authentic Diary of Ann Frank.

The community whith the highest readership in the country was not interested in the
Nuremberg proceedings, dear Yale.

>
> > With Dean being a Jew and 70% of student body of being Jewish, this
> university
> > removed the set of the Nuremberg trial proceedings from the main ornate
> Sterling
> > library literaly to the ‘anus mundi’ or the bowels of its campus.
> Apparently even
> > its holocaustian student body is not interested in its Bible! Why?
>
> And they really hid it from the public by putting it on their Internet
> site.

You are using Talmudic methods Yale. Note that the question was WHY and I am refering
to the availability between 1950-1995. In that era there was no Internet!
You are heroically trying to weasel out of difficult questions with resonses to
questions not asked.

> Why are you lying again.

The above deserves no comment.

> > Instead, the price and the pride of this Jewish university
>
> It is no more a Jewish university than you are a loyal Pole. Which is not
> at all.

Call the Dean and ask him, look at the last names of students and academia
(proffessors). Granted, half of the students do not look Jewish as about 15% of them
are Oriental and 5% Black. Most importantly todays Jewish youth does not look Jewish
due to miscegenation like Hilary Clinton or Edgar Bronfman, but look at her daughter
or Hilary brothers … “pure” Asheknazim from Przemysl, Della [Bella] Murray’s home
town (Hilary’s grandma).

>
> > Thus, studying of such proceedings is difficult
>
> Only if you are stupid to find a copy.

I think that the readers will evaluate my efforts at finding the Proceedings
differently, than you Yale.

I do have work to be done. I have no time to continue. I think from my writing is
clear who is correct and who is devoid of reasonable arguments and angry.

I am signing off, Polina

> > and apriori non-productive in a
> > court where them most primitive cross-examination of witnesses was
> abolished
>
> A lie. There was no limit on cross-examination.
>
> >and
> > affidavits (not even testimony) was accepted as proven fact.
>
> Another lie from the fake Pole. Affidavits were used only where the
> witness was unavailable or dead. There is no instance where the affidavit
> of an available witness was used. There is only one affidavit that was
> crucila to the decision. That was the affidavit of Chester Nimitz which
> was used to ACQUIT Doenitz.
>
> > Thus C. Porter found
>
> C. Porter is a notorious liar and incompetent. Please see my article on
> how he couldn’t even cut and paste accurate quotations on The Holocaust
> History Project.
>
> > Going back to your specific accusation about British developing the
> human-fat-soap
> > hoax, I think you are wrong or partially wrong.
>
> I think you are crazy as a loon. Now go and do some research.
>
> > In the collection of the documents provided by the Soviets at Nuremberg
> there is a
> > photo of a white flat enameled tray with cakes of soap which is labled in
> Cyrylic
> > script. I do not think British communicate in Cyrylic alfabet.
>
> Exhibits intended for use at Nuremberg were given numbers.
>
> Give the number of this exhibit so that others may find it.
>
> > Am I correct about this photograph??
>
> I’ve never seen it. And unlike you I have had access to the original
> exhibits.
>
> > In any case it is immaterial who delivered the evidence which is now
> accepted by
> > orthodox Holocaustian as fake and fabricated.
>
> You are a liar.
>
> Please name a single historian who states that the evidence accepted by
> the IMT and made part of their judgment is either fake or fabricated.
>
> For an “independent journalist” you are an incompetent and dishonest
> researcher. Rather than trying to find out facts you mindlessly repeat the
> garbage found on websites maintained by the lunatic fringe. You are so
> incompetent as a researcher that you could not even locate a set of books
> in a library a ten minute subway ride from where you live.
>
> –YFE
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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You are partially correct Yale, read below,

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> > Dear Yale,
>
> > You are using Madison Ave technique of asdvertising that falsity repeated
> 1,000
> > times becomes truth. It works for a long time as the tobacco industry is
> learning
> > today.
>
> Wrong you are a Jew-hating fake whose hidden agenda is the rehabiliation
> olf Adolf Shitler.

I am not Jew hater, and occasionally defend Jews from anti-Semites, when warranted.
On the other hand, yes, my agedna is to defend and bring forward the truth which
ferequently = rehabilitation of Hitler.

> having shown to be ignorant and to have continually misrepresented
> nonsense as facts you are reduced to the usual behavior of the denier of
> the Holocaust.
>
> > Indicdentally your evil Adolf Hitler did not some and advocated
> abstinence from it
> > because German physicians suspected decades before American physicians
> that smoking
> > causes cancer.
>
> A simple lie. Will you begin to tell the truth soon.

> Incidently, ignorant one, cigarettes were known in the US as “coffin
> nails” as early as World War I.

Journa of the American Medical Association stopped carry advertisment for cigarettes
in early 1950’s. Such adds woudl state that e.g. Camel is best for the soothing of
the sore throat.

> > > > > The Soviets supplied almost no documents whatsoever and the
> > > majority of
> > > > > those they used in evidence were supplied to them by the US army.

There is entire collection of Soviet delivered documents to Nuremberg I thing
designated #6. There are descriptions in them of 600,000 Jewish vitims at Lviv,
300,000 in Odessa etc. Polish Historical Society published a booklet on this subject
about ten years ago, on the 50th anniverssary of the Babi Yar , which I do not have
handy
> > > But the fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> And he still hasn’t.
>
> And now all he wants to do is call names.
>
> > > > > > The most notorious examples of those false
> > > > > > documents are the witness testimonies, the
> > > > > > forensic report and other evidence produced at
> > > > > > the trial of ten German officers accused of
> > > > > > murdering thousands of Polish POWs at the
> > > > > > Katyn Forest.
> > >
> > > > > You are wrong again. The Soviets presented no doucmentary
> > > evidence of the
> > > > > Katyn massacre and what evidence they did present was easily proven
> > > > > fraudulent to the Tribunal which did not credit it.
> > >
> > > But the fake Pole did not answer this.

I am too busy to continue, think answeres above give you taste of Yales
irresponsibility.
Poina

> And he still hasn’t.
>
> All he wants to do now is call names.
>
> > > > > I find it strange that the deniers of the Holocaust
> continually
> > > use the
> > > > > fact that the Tribunal was savvy enough to expose frauds as
> evidence
> > > that
> > > > > the Tribunal was incapable of determining what was fraudlulent or
> not.
> > >
> > > But the fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> And he still hasn’t.
>
> All he wants to do now is call names.
>
>
> > > > > In the eyes of the law, the trial at Nuremberg was fair and
> > > honest and
> > > > > those found guilty were given a fair trial. There was no finding
> by
> > > the
> > > > > Tribunal that the Germans committed the Katyn Massacre. In fact
> the
> > > > > evidence presented BY THE DEFENSE was ambiguous. No person was,
> > > therefore,
> > > > > sentenced to death for the crime.
> > >
> > > The fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> And he still hasn’t.
>
> All he wants to do now is call names.
>
> > > > > > This but one example of seemingly endless list
> > > > > > of false documents used as testimony at
> > > > > > Nuremberg trials.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since you haven’t named one your list is not, as you claim,
> > > without end
> > > > > but without beginning.
> > >
> > > The fake Pole still has not provided any.
>
> And he still hasn’t.
>
> All he wants to do now is call names.
>
> > > > > The ignorant statements you make presents another good
> reason
> > > why the
> > > > > Nuremberg trials should be studied. The garbage you pass off as
> “well
> > > > > known facts” will then be instantly recognized as such.
> > >
> > > The fake Pole remains as ignorant as ever.
>
> Even worse. There having been a demosntration that the fake Pole — who
> claimed to be a “journalist” — was just regurgitating garbage from a
> lunatic web site he ran away.
>
> The fact is that the garbage that he accepts on blind faith is an insult
> to every real Pole, every real German, and every real Jew in the world.
>
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…

> > Philip Mathews wrote:
> >
> > > In >Message-id: <[email protected]>
> > > >
> > >
> > > >polin [email protected] wrote:
> > >
> > > >British hangman should be in quotation marks since Hess was hanged a
> few
> > > >years later
> > > >in Poland.
> > >
> > > In other words he had no British hangman as you asserted in your prior
> post. Do
> > > you believe putting quotation marks around the term changes it from a
> falsehood
> > > to something truthful?
>
> > > >Do not prevaricate and disinforme with it readesrs but give verbatim
> citation
> > > >from his
> > > >book admitting to toruturing Hoess!!
> > >
> > > I think this would be better directed to you, since you made the
> initial
> > > charge. How about it!
>
> The fake Pole has no answer.

Because I am busy I refer you to www.codoh
Polina

> > > >Do not misrepresent picture of handcuffed Hoess who looked cadaveric
> on the
> > > >day of his
> > > >transfer to Polish authorities.
>
> > > What is your evidence for this?
>
> > His gaunt appereance in the photo.
>
> But you don’t even know when the photo was taken. It was taken when he
> was transferred to the US ARMY.
>
> You continue to make erroneous statements about the most easily researched
> of all facts.
>
> I find that strong evidence that you are just regurgitating the
> accusations of lunatic websites without even the ost basic effort to check
> facts.
>
> > > >Explain why Hoess confessed to exxagerated 3,000,000 victims in his
> three
> > > >year regin
> > > >at Auschwitz. Did he wish to be hanged three times or four times??
>
> > > Explain how this has anything to do with your charge of torture?
>
> > Unless forced, people do not generally admit to crimes they did not
> pepetrated
>
> And since he confessed without force (his memoirs written in a Polish
> prison), you are apaprently arguing that he was guilty.
>
> An excellent article by Prof. John Zimmerman on the credibility of the
> Hoess memiors which demolishes completely the allegations of the deniers of
> the Holocaust can be found on The Holocaust History Project (URL in
> signature line).

> > > Now if you would only stop posting denier propoganda (you and your ilk
> are not
> > > revisionists, because revisionism is performed by historians)!
>
> And since “Polina” nows claims to live in Queens, perhaps he will explain
> why he is posting from and ISP that does not service that area. See
> http://www.catskill.net. (Page doesn`t exist)
>
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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>>Human fat soap was brought by Soviets to Nueremberg
>>>Who cares about Nuremberg Tribunal
>>>Suppression of Christian churches by Nazis
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“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]tskill.net> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> > Dear Mr. Mc Vay,
> >
> > Many thanks for your response and help.
> >
> > In 1994-1996 when I was studying Nuremberg trials Yale International Law
> > Library did NOT have complete set on their shelves.
>
> That is not true. They had a complete set of of the published volumes.
>
> There is a volume of the Green series, which does not concern the IMT
> trial which was printed but, apparently, never distributed.
>
> > For about a decade I am trying to find a set in used book stores in NYC
> area
> > to no avail.
>
> Try a good book search. I reccommend Mike Curtis who psots here.
>
> > Simultaneously I called about 30 nearby libraries asking if
> > they still do not have a set in a storage pepared for discarding as “not
> > circulating” and also met with no sucess an older librarians told me they
> > discarded it decades ago as dust colleting and shelf occupying volumes.
>
> You’re lying. It’s in the reference section of every library I’ve been
> in. Reference books do not circulate.
>
>
> > Apperently, our parents and grandparents still remembering propaganda of
> the
> > Frist world war did not take the Nuremberg trials seriously, as most of
> us
> > does it today.
>
> You’re lying again. It was front page news.

True, to bre red and be forgotten, and American and American Jewry DID forget the
holocaust nearly completely until the next SHOW TRIAL of 1961.
Polina

> > One of the librarian told me that the set they had they received free
> from
> > the Government Printing Office. Since I do not believe eyewitness
> testimony
> > I would not take her statement as accurate.
>
> You never talked to a librarian.
>
> > Many thanks for your work at Nizkor. We and especially I a revisionst
> find
> > a plethora of useful material at your site. We both see importance of
> > putting these material of the internet but differ in their interpretation
> > only.
>
> That’s because you lkie a lot. like this:
>
> > > >I live in Queens, NY
>
> And post from an ISP which does not servie that area.
>
> and believe it or not I found the only incomplete
> > > >but the most
> > > >complete set, and most accessible to me, on which was one in the
> > > >basement of the
> > > >obsucre International Law Library at Yale University in New Haven CT!
>
> Since the NYPL has one, your lie is patent.
>
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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The more higly educated anti-Revisionists we have the better.

I am sick to read over and over the vularieties you Jewish anti-revisionists
level at us.
You might be correct about Danny Karen, I do not think he uses gutter verbiage
Polina
Richard Phillips wrote:

> polin wrote:
> >
> > Orac who lists himself as a.k.a. David Gorski see bottom of this page is an
> > important figure on alt.revisionism
> > He is perhaps the best educated anti-revisionist being a PhD if I am not
> > mistaken and a young surgeon from Chicago area.
> ===================================================
> Phillips
>
> I believe Danny Keren is also a PhD.
>
> ===============================================
> > Frequenting recently alt.revisionism I noticed that there are no other so
> > erudite anti-revisionists and so civil in their responses as him.
> ==========================================================
> Phillips
>
> I would class Eugene Holman as even more so.
> ===========================================
> It is
> > unfortunate that lately he resorts to on-liners suffused with adjectives and
> > not facts, but responding factualy on internet takes time and him being I
> > presume busy, surgeon it has to be excused.
> >
> > Still I wish to point that Dr. Gorski, paradoxically, is a revisionist at
> > heart. The word is out since publication of the book by prof Lipstadt that we
> > Jews and Holocaustians do not get into discources or discussions or rebutals
> > with revisionists. And virtually every erudite Jew and every academic
> > Holocaustian toes the party line.
> ================================================
> Phillips
>
> Is this a NEW book by Lipstadt?
> =============================================
> > Like the Pope they never lower themself to debate with his/their intellectual
> > opponents. Only Orac does it … because he is like the Jewish philosopher
> > Spinoza a revisionist at heart.
> >
> > My restrained admiration to you Orac.
> >
> > Polina, the perenial revisionist
> >
> > Orac wrote:
> >
> > > In article <[email protected]>, “Grazyna Lesniak”
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Orac :
> > > >
> > > > >Yes, you definitely don’t want to get into e-mail exchanges with
> > > > “Polina”
> > > > >(a.k.a. Pawlikowski). He has no compunction about posting private
> > > > e-mail
> > > > >to public Usenet newsgroups. He did it to me once many months ago on
> > > > >alt.revisionism.

> > > > To be honest – it doesn’t matter. I don’t change my mind in private ๐Ÿ™‚
> > > > Anyway – thanks.
> > >
> > > Whether or not you change your mind in private is really not the point,
> > > actually. There’s the tendency to say things in private e-mail that you
> > > wouldn’t post to Usenet. At least for me that’s true, and it appears to be
> > > true for many people, hence my warning to you. Pawlikoski didn’t really
> > > post anything that embarrassed me, but the principle that private e-mail
> > > should not be posted in a public forum without the author’s permission was
> > > violated, and that ticked me off.
> > >
> > > Also, Pawlikowski is an unrepentant Holocaust denier and anti-Semite, but
> > > you probably already noticed that.

> > > > BTW – sorry, off-topic question : do you read my posts in
> > > > alt.revisionism?
> > > > I’m not able to read this NG and when I send my posts in this thread my
> > > > computer “can’t convert alt.rev.”. Just curious.
> > >
> > > Yes, I am posting this from alt.revisionism. I do not frequent any of the
> > > newsgroups on Subject: header line.

> > > Orac |”A statement of fact cannot be insolent.”–Orac
> > > a.k.a. |
> > > David Gorski|”If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
> > > | inconvenience me with questions?”–Orac again

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Subject: Re: Yale, sell copy of video of Eichmann!,
Hoess & Eichmann and murdered Jews
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Dear Yale,

How much you would charge for the copy of the 1980s video of Eichmann in which we
could see him intermittently and or in spurts continuously pumping his cheek with his
tongue, the pathogmonic sign of Tardive Dyskinesia ergo side effect of Thorazine/

If you do not respond to this bid, probably the video was made in such as manner as to
take out the moments when he is pumping his cheek.

I am ready to pay for the video up to $50.00. Perhaps other revisionists woudl
chip in
if you jack your price above my maximum.
If you do not want to sell let me know if the video is and where available.

Polina.

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> > Dear Mr. K.
> >
> > I do not understand your question and did not say he lied.
> >
> > Hoes as you know grossly exaggerated the number of victims of his camp in
> order to
> > be in accord with the data of his captors i.e. the 4,000,000 which is now
> greatly
> > reduced by the orthodox holocaustian scholars and politicians.
>
> Since the actual estimates he gave while under oath and in his memoirs
> were quite a bit lower, your theory is nonsense. Had he wished to conform
> to the higher estimate he certainly would have done so in his memoirs
> written in a Polish prison.

Stop arguing, use your scanner and provide the facsimile so readers can see with their
own eyes that I am correct.

> > Being the Commandant he had to be The Source of the primary statistics
> and not
> > Eichmann and Berlin.
>
> Bullshit. He was commandmant only for a large portion of the time
> Auschwitz was in operation. He was promoted and served elsewhere until
> 1944 when he was brought back for the extermiantion of Hungarian Jews.
>
> Why do you not know this simple fact.
>
> > He was simply forced to sign the confessions/testimony by his captors. I
> think
> > that much is clear.
>
> Only to you. He was, moreover, a DEFENSE witness when he gave his
> testimony.

> > And then a lapsus lingue occured. The restriction on its showing was
> apparently
> > forgotten after 40 years and the ABC TV showed it on the Court TV Channel
> in April
> > to commemortate the Month of the Holocaust.
>
> Again, not true. I have a vidoetape of excerpts from the trial made in
> the 1980’s.
>
> > When I watched that program I was struck dumb for two reasons:
>
> > 1) Eichmann in the glass booth was constantly pumping his tongue against
> his cheek
> > in a unmistakenable, incontroveritble Tardive Dyskinesia movement. So
> far Tardive
> > Dyskinesia has been described only as the common, permanent and disabling
> side
> > effect of Thorazine a potent and the first of the modern psychotropic
> drugs, the
> > mainstay, to this day, of modern psychiatry.
> >
> > Soviet dissidents like the Ukrainian (Red Army) rocketry general
> Hryhorenko were
> > given Thorazine to subdue them mentally. Since Eichman was determined
> well
> > psychiatrically there was no medical need to give him thorazine.
>
> And he wasn’t.
>
> > No beatings or tortures were required like from Hoes to extort
> ‘appropriate’
> > testimony. An injection of 20 miligrams of Thorazine was turning
> Eichmann and
> > soviet dissidents into submissive zombies.
>
> But neither beatings nor torture were used to obtain Hoess’ testimony.
He
> was called as a witness by Ernst Kaltenbrunner.
>
>
> > While under influence of thorazine he did not have to be told what to
> testify he
> > was inventing and relaying delusions and confabulations satisfying his
> captors.
>
> But he wasn’t given thorazine.
>
> > I hope this explains to you my position correctly.
>
> Sure. You’re a lying fruitloop.
>
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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Daniel Keren wrote:

> [Followup-To: alt.revisionism]
>
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> # Hoes as you know grossly exaggerated the number of victims of his
> # camp in order to be in accord with the data of his captors i.e. the
> # 4,000,000 which is now greatly reduced by the orthodox holocaustian
> # scholars and politicians.
>
> Here’s the funny part, which demonstrates just what a bunch of goofballs
> these “revisionists” are.
>
> In his autobiography – written while in Polish custody – Hoess claimed
> that about 1.3 million people were murdered in Auschwitz. Not 4 million.

Dear Dr. Keren,

Please do not give us your word, please put the English text of Hoess
deposition with his signature on a scanner and let readers see with their
own eyes the numbers. I do not have scanner. The copy of the page you can
get from USHMM.

Polina

PS If you will not do it in a matter of weeks and much effort I will arrange
it

> Now, the Soviets and the Poles had then suggested a much higher (and
> incorrect) figure. Hoess – WHILE IN POLISH/SOVIET CAPTIVITY – not
> only denied their figure, but ridiculed it.
>
> Is this what he would have written, had he been “tortured” into
> confirming their version? Of course not.
>
> Has anyone ever heard about captors “torturing” their prisoner, into
> writing something that contradicts their thesis? That mocks it?
>
> I really don’t think so.
>
> BTW, the Soviets have indeed claimed that 4 million civilians
> were murdered in Auschwitz. It was an estimate incorrectly derived,
> by assuming that all the cremation furnaces worked continuously.
> Western historians, such as Reitlinger and Hilberg, dismissed this
> figure many years ago.
>
> -Danny Keren.

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Subject: Re: Justice Jackson lied at Nuremberg?? lied Human fat soap was brought by Soviets to Nueremberg >>>Who cares about Nuremberg Tribunal >>>Suppression of Christian churches by Nazis
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Astonishing!

Below John Morris explains and excuses Nuremberg American Prosecutor, reknown and
respected American jourist lies in the International Court of Law!

Jaksons mention of vaporizng prisoners with atomic energy implies:

1) that he himself fabricated the story out of a whole cloath, and unlikely proposition
and a charge to an honest and impartial American jurist who allegedly have had plethora
of authentic incriminating evidence. If so why he resorted to fabrications and ruses???

2) implies that he heard the story from survivors, was unsure of them and before accusing
Speer outright and compromise survivors on the witness stand he tested them in this
manner, without prevaricating on his own.

3) since servivors are to be belived (a dictum of Holocaustianity and the basis of the
Holocaust) if the second possibility is true, then we must consider it as proven that
atom was used for vaporization of humans by the Nazis.

If my logic is faulty, please indicate, or perhaps you have some others explanations to
make

Polina

John Morris wrote:

> In <[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on Sun, 24 Oct
> 1999 18:38:41 -0400, polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >”Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:
>
> >> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> >> <[email protected]>…
> >> > My title is self explanatory
>
> >> And once more displays your ignorance.
>
> >> The proof of the experimental attempts to make soap from human flesh was
> >> brought by the British based on evidence that they developed.
>
> >1) Soap can not be made from any “flesh”. It is produced by hydrolysis [break down]
> >of animal fat into fatty acids and glycerol and addition of sodium hydroxide and
> >forming from the original esters a fatty acid sodium salt.
>
> >No one invented production of saponyfying agent from human or any protein.
>
> Nice strawman fallacy, Joseph/Jozef/Joanna/Polina. In fact, you have
> just proven that it is possible to make soap from human fat.
>
> >2) Studying the two dozens of fat volumes of Nurmemberg trial proceeeings is
> >trying. Virtrually all of public libraries got rid of them because they were not
> >used by their readers. None of the 23,000 libraries being part of the OCLC have them
> >available for interlibrary loans.
>
> That is no excuse. Fourteen volumes are already available on the web
> with more to come:
>
> http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/imt.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
>
> >I live in Queens, NY and believe it or not I found the only incomplete but the most
> >complete set, and most accessible to me, on which was one in the basement of the
> >obsucre International Law Library at Yale University in New Haven CT!
>
> That is no excuse. Fourteen volumes are already available on the web
> with more to come:
>
> http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/imt.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
>
> >With Dean being a Jew and 70% of student body of being Jewish, this university
> >removed the set of the Nuremberg trial proceedings from the main ornate Sterling
> >library literaly to the ‘anus mundi’ or the bowels of its campus. Apparently even
> >its holocaustian student body is not interested in its Bible! Why?
>
> >Instead, the price and the pride of this Jewish university is the Guttenberg Bible
> >on a permanent display in its atomic blast-safe modernistic and beautiful building
> >storing ancient manuscripts. Every night the display descends into A-bomb proof
> >shelter.
>
> >Thus, studying of such proceedings is difficult and apriori non-productive in a
> >court where them most primitive cross-examination of witnesses was abolished and
> >affidavits (not even testimony) was accepted as proven fact.
>
> Then when you finally do read parts of the testimony, you will have a
> tough time explaining the cross-examination of all of the defendants
> and witnesses.
>
> >Thus C. Porter found out that the “fact” that Nazis exterminated Jews at Auschwitz
> >with atomic bomb has been accepted as proven.
>
> Absolute nonsense. Robert Jackson used an old lawyer’s of indirection
> to induce Albert Speer to testify about the Nazi leadership’s efforts
> to prolong the war needlessly by circulating rumours of new
> super-weapons that would turn the tide of a hopeless battle.
>
> Jackson asks Speer if he ever heard of an experiment in which in which
> 20,000 Jews were vap[ourized with an atomic bomb:
>
> MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: Do you know about that experiment?
>
> SPEER: No, and I consider it utterly improbable. If we had such a
> weapon under preparation, I should have known about it. But we did
> not have such a weapon. It is clear that in chemical warfare
> attempts were made on both sides to carry out research on all the
> weapons one could think of, because one did not know which party
> would start chemical warfare first.
>
> MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: The reports, then, of a new and secret weapon
> were exaggerated for the purpose of keeping the German people in
> the war?
>
> SPEER: That was the case mostly during the last phase of the war.
> From August, or rather June or July 1944 on I very often went to the
> front. I visited about 40 front-line divisions in their sectors and
> could not help seeing that the troops, just like the German people,
> were given hopes about a new weapon coming, new weapons and
> wonder-weapons which, without requiring the use of soldiers, without
> military forces, would guarantee victory. In this belief lies the
> secret why so many people in Germany offered their lives, although
> common sense told them that the war was over. They believed that in
> the near future this new weapon would arrive.
>
> It is absurd to suggest that such a thing as vaporizing Jews was
> “proved” at Nuremberg. The only things considered proved at Nuremberg
> were the charges on the indictment referenced in the Judgment in
> Volume I.
>
> > Thus who should care about nuremberg
> >except for most fanatical Holocaustians?
>
> Obviously you, since you are a know-nothing who believes Carlos
> Porter’s obvious and stupid lies.
>
> >Going back to your specific accusation about British developing the human-fat-soap
> >hoax, I think you are wrong or partially wrong.
>
> >In the collection of the documents provided by the Soviets at Nuremberg there is a
> >photo of a white flat enameled tray with cakes of soap which is labled in Cyrylic
> >script. I do not think British communicate in Cyrylic alfabet.
>
> >Am I correct about this photograph??
>
> You are probably correct about the photograph. It was certainly not
> beyond the capabilities of the Soviets to label their exhibits.
>
> Nevertheless, the evidence was provided to the Soviets by the British
> including the depositions of Witton and Neely, two British prisoners
> set to work at Danzig.
>
> Contrary to the Revisionist myth, the Soviets developed almost none of
> their own evidence.
>
> >In any case it is immaterial who delivered the evidence which is now accepted by
> >orthodox Holocaustian as fake and fabricated.
>
> Wrong again. What legitimate historians have recognized almost since
> the end of the war is that rumours of mass production of Jewish soap
> were in fact rumours invented by camp guards as an additional torment
> of their prisoners.
>
> But the evidence presented at Nuremberg was that Rudolph Spanner of
> the Danzig Anatomical Institute tried to find uses for soap which was
> manufactured from human fat.
>
> In 1960, the prosecutors’ office in Flensburg declined to charge
> Spanner presumably because it was impossible to determine whether he
> had set out to manufacture soap or whether it was a natural by-product
> of boiling the soft tissue off skeletons intended for use as
> anatomical specimens. The process, called maceration, involves
> boiling corpses in water and caustic soda (lye), and it naturally
> saponifies any fats present.
>
> The fact nevertheless remains that Spanner attempted to find ways of
> making the soap useful. Apparently, it stank horribly.
>
> So you see, Polina/Josef/Joanna/Liar, you believe the silliest things
> that Revisionists tell you, and you dwell on irrelevant idiocies like
> “human soap.” It’s time you learned some real history.
>
> —
> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Nizkooks are not members of homosapiens.
> They are members of Judeosapiens.” Joe Bellinger, May 17, 1999.

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Dear Mr. Morris,

The princilple of revisionism rests not in Talmudic debates about testimonies but on the
contrary on the lack of physical evidence of extermination i.e. forensic, air-photo and
toxicological evidence.

Were are the bones of the nearly 4,000,000 or 3,000,000 Jews Nazis did not have time to
cremate?

We found bones of our Polish victims at Katyn, Palmiry, Treblinka I, Miednoje, Kharkiv and
Ukrainians at Vinnytsa, Lwow, Bykivnia, Byeolrussians in Kuropaty others in Karelia

Any response?

Polina

John Morris wrote:

> In <[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on Sun, 24 Oct
> 1999 20:09:20 -0400, polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Philip Mathews wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> Polina-Liar said:
> >> >Explain why Hoess confessed to exxagerated 3,000,000 victims in his three year regin
> >> >at Auschwitz. Did he wish to be hanged three times or four times??
>
> >> Explain how this has anything to do with your charge of torture?
>
> >Unless forced, people do not generally admit to crimes they did not pepetrated
>
> Ah, the old circular argument. The proof that Hoess was tortured is
> that the Holocaust is a hoax. The proof that the Holocaust is a hoax
> is that Hoess was tortured.
>
> [snip]

> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Nizkooks are not members of homosapiens.
> They are members of Judeosapiens.” Joe Bellinger, May 17, 1999.

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Dear Mr Morris,

You are correct and you are not telling me anything new about Bruno
Gallileo and John tyndal burnt for translating the Bible.

But you must understand that I am also a Polish nationalist and for this
reason I favor Copernicus who was in service to Polish kings. And as a
Pole I will not tell you about Copernicus what is disadvantegeous to our
worship of POSITIVE national heros and not sheep going to the slaugher.

We think that raising children on martyrology results in columbine
massacres vide boy Klebod. You should raise your not on now dehoaxed or
demythologized Massada but on Einstein, Golda Meir, generals Dayan and
Rubin not on holocaustomania.

John Morris wrote:

> In <[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on Sun, 24 Oct
> 1999 18:45:46 -0400, polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Dear Grazyna,
>
> >You also do not know that adjectives belong to poetry and not science.
>
> >Remember Nicholas Copernicus, the greatest revisionist of all times
>
> Oh golly, you even got that one wrong Polina-Liar. Copernicus wasn’t
> persecuted. You’re supposed to remember *Galileo* because he was
> persecuted for telling the truth. Of course, it wasn’t much of a
> persecution since eveyone knew that Kepler in Germany and Newton in
> England were publishing Galileo’s works. Galileo published his last
> work under his own name while under house arrest in Italy.
>
> I have a better suggestion for Revisionists. Remember Giordano Bruno.
> He was an exact contemporary of Galileo’s who also agreed with
> Copernicus. He has the added persecution value in that he was
> actually burnt at the stake.
>
> But, alas, he was burnt at the stake for claiming that God created an
> infinite number of populated worlds. A creation co-infinite with its
> creator did not sit well with early modern Catholics.
> —
> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Nizkooks are not members of homosapiens.
> They are members of Judeosapiens.” Joe Bellinger, May 17, 1999.

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Dear John,

You are citing data from yeasterday. I cited availability from 1995.

I suspect you will castigate me for not perusing Internet in 1980s or 1970s

Have reason

Polina

John Morris wrote:

> In <[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on 24 Oct
> 1999 20:29:14 -0400, “Yale F.Edeiken” <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> ><[email protected]>…
>
> [snip]
>
> >> 2) Studying the two dozens of fat volumes of Nurmemberg trial proceeeings is
> >> trying. Virtrually all of public libraries got rid of them because they were not
> >> used by their readers. None of the 23,000 libraries being part of the OCLC have them
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> available for interlibrary loans.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> > They are being made available on the Internet.
>
> > Further more than 10 libraries within a normal drive from my house in
> >Allentown PA have copies.
>
> Just a small point since I already answered “Polina’s” excuses, but a
> quick look at OCLC reveals the following for the first record
> Nuremberg proceedings checked:
>
> CA CKX CHAPMAN UNIV SCH OF LAW Lender
> WV WV9 WEST VIRGINIA UNIV LAW LIBR Lender
>
> Ah, what the hell. I’ve got them online and the proxy server loaded
> up.
>
> Second record checked:
>
> KS KKW WASHBURN UNIV Lender
> NJ NJM MONTCLAIR STATE UNIV Lender
> PA PBB BLOOMSBURG UNIV Lender
>
> Gee, that’s five interlibrary lenders in the first two records
> checked.
>
> Third record:
>
> NY NYP NEW YORK PUB LIBR RES LIBR Lender
>
> Ooooo! Not looking too good for OCLC not listing any interlibrary
> lenders. And, hey, doesn’t “Polina” claim to live in Queens, New York
> just across the East River from NYC and the New York Public Library?
>
> Fourth record:
>
> CA CKX CHAPMAN UNIV SCH OF LAW Lender
> CA CPF PEPPERDINE UNIV, LAW LIBR Lender
> CA WST WESTERN STATE UNIV COL OF LAW Lender
> DC DCV CATHOLIC UNIV AMERICA, DUFOUR LAW LIBR Lender
> DC DLC LIBRARY OF CONGRESS Non-lender
> DC LHM US HOLOCAUST MEM MUS Non-lender
> FL FBL SAINT THOMAS UNIV, LAW LIBR Lender
> GA GLL GEORGIA STATE UNIV, LAW LIBR Lender
> IN XND UNIV OF NOTRE DAME, LAW SCH Lender
> LA LLT LOYOLA UNIV, LAW SCH Lender
> LA LSC SOUTHERN UNIV, LAW LIBR Lender
> MA HVL HARVARD UNIV LAW SCH LIBR Non-lender
> MA NLL NEW ENGLAND SCH OF LAW LIBR Lender
> MI ECB THOMAS M COOLEY LAW SCH LIBR Lender
> MS MCC MISSISSIPPI COL, LAW LIBR Lender
> NC NC# NORTH CAROLINA CENT UNIV, LAW SCH LIBR Lender
> NC NDD DUKE UNIV LIBR Lender
> NC NDL DUKE UNIV, LAW LIBR Lender
> NC NRC NORTH CAROLINA STATE UNIV Lender
> NJ STL SETON HALL UNIV, LAW LIBR Lender
> NY UBK US COURTS LIBR, BROOKLYN Non-lender
> NY UCN US COURT OF APPEALS LIBR, 2ND CIRCUIT Non-lender
> NY ZNL NEW YORK LAW SCH LIBR Lender
> OH OHO SUPREME COURT OF OHIO LAW LIBR Non-lender
> VA AVJ US ARMY, JUDGE ADVOCATE GENERAL’S SCH Non-lender
> VA VRL UNIV OF RICHMOND, LAW SCH LIBR Lender
> ZZ Y8V DEPARTMENT FOREIGN AFFAIRS LEGAL LIBR Non-lender
> ZZ [email protected] UNIV STELLENBOSCH, J S GERICKE LIBR Non-lender
>
> Ouch! Twenty-eight more libraries, eighteen of them indicating that
> they will do interlibrary loans of the Nuremberg proceedings. And
> look: two of them are in New York City. Well, alright, one’s in
> Brooklyn, but that’s even closer to Queens.
>
> Just in case anybody thinks I might have mistaken the work in
> question, here is the abbreviated record for last item checked:
>
> TITLE: Trial of the major war criminals before the International
> Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 14 November 1945- 1 October
> 1946.
> PLACE: Buffalo, N.Y. :
> PUBLISHER: William S. Hein,
> YEAR: 1995 1947
>
> I guess that would be yer IMT Blue Series.
>
> The only question left is whether there is anything at all that
> “Polina” *won’t* lie about.
>
> “None of the 23,000 libraries being part of the OCLC have them
> available for interlibrary loans.”
>
> BWAAAHAHAHAHA!
>
> [snip]

> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Nizkooks are not members of homosapiens.
> They are members of Judeosapiens.” Joe Bellinger, May 17, 1999.

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Thank you Mike!

Are you revisionist or exterminationist?

Polina

Mike Curtis wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Dear Mr. K.
> >
> >I do not understand your question and did not say he lied.
> >
> >Hoes as you know grossly exaggerated the number of victims of his camp in order to
> >be in accord with the data of his captors i.e. the 4,000,000 which is now greatly
> >reduced by the orthodox holocaustian scholars and politicians.
>
> This is what he testified to doing the above deposition during 1 April
> and 2 April 1946. The following conversation came on page 14 during
> the 2 April 1946 Deposition while they were talking about Jews:
>
> Q: But still Auschwitz succeeded in exterminating quite a number,
> something like the millions, didn’t they?
>
> A: Yes.
>
> Q: How many millions?
>
> A: I again refer back to the statement made to me by Eichmann in March
> or April, 1944, when he had to go and report to Reichfuehrer that his
> office had turned over two and one-half million to the camp.
>
> Q: To the Auschwitz area?
>
> A: Yes.Q: Only in the Auschwitz area?
>
> A: Yes.
>
> Q: Two and one-half million, you say?
>
> A: Yes.
>
> Q: Are you [sic] you a little confused just now?
>
> A: The reasons why I remember the number, two and one-half million, is
> because it was repeatedly told to me that Auschwitz was to have
> exterminated four to five million, but that was not so. We had an
> order by the Reichsfuehrer of SS to destroy all materials in numbers
> immediately, and not to preserve any records of the executions that
> were being carried out.
>
> Q: The two and one-half million were people delivered to Auschwitz,
> were they the ones that were executed?
>
> A: Executed and exterminated.
>
> For those who may have missed it I’ll explain what is important to the
> conversation above. Hoess makes it quite clear where this 2.5 million
> figure came from. It came from Eichmann. He hadn’t really thought
> through for himself just yet. The 1.3 million figure would be his
> claim later on in his autobiography.
>
> Mike Curtis
>
> From Ambrose Bierce:
>
> CHRISTIAN, n.
> One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. One who follows the teachings of Christ in so far as they are not inconsistent with a life of sin.
>
> CONVERSATION, n.
> A fair to the display of the minor mental commodities, each exhibitor being too intent upon the arrangement of his own wares to observe those of his neighbor.
>
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<p>Okolo miesiac temu moi mlodzi, zapracowani, zydowscy sasiedzi, z dwojka
przemilych zydoweczek postanowili pozybyc sie dwu przemilych i oswojonych
krolikow ktore kupili swoim coreczkom na Wielkanoc.
<p>Przyczyna byla te ze choc dziewczynki oswoily kroliki jeden czarny jeden
szary, kroliki nie chcialy zalatwiac sie w przeznaczonej dla nich misce
czy klatce ale robily to w kacikach pokoi na drogich dywanowych wykladzinach.
<p>Druga przyczyna wydania krolikow bylo to ze mama tak jak we wszystkich
mlodych malzenstwach musi pracowac i nie ma czasu na sprzatanie ani bieganie
za krolikami i o zgrozo nie ma czasu nawet dla swych dzieci ktorych w czasie
wyjazdow na zakupy przywozila do mnie, O Zgrozo ewizjonistki Holokostu
(!) do opieki na killka godzin jak ja nie jestem u syna poza miastem.
<p>Placzu bylo co niemiara jak mama dziewczynkom powiedziala ze musza sie
krolikow pozbyc.&nbsp; Ja uratowalam sytuacje zabierajac super klatke&nbsp;
made in California by Sierra Club i kroliki na wies ze soba.&nbsp; to troche
dziewczynki uspokoilo gdy je przekonalam ze na wsi, w gorach, im bedzie
lepiej bo beda sobie mogly swobodnie biegac po lace i lesie i ze kazdy
raz jak przyjade to im bede opowiadac jak te kroliki sobie zyja.&nbsp;
Zapewnialam ich takze ze w lesie wilkow nie ma a niedzwiedzica ktora tu
czasem przychodzi nie bedzie w stanie szybkiego krolika zjesc i&nbsp; zlapac
a najblizsy pies u najblizszego sasiada jest okolo kilometra daleko.
<p>Wyposazono mnie w zapasy zywnosci dla zwierzatek i alfalfa i kamienna
sol, i witaminy i brykiety z suszonych jablek i marchwi.&nbsp; Dziewczynki
je nimi tresowaly tymi smakolykami i oswajaly.&nbsp; Kroliki jechaly na
wies ze man na przednim siedzeniu lub siedzialy w drodze pod tylnym oknem.&nbsp;
(Zlota) klatka stala przywiazana na aucie na dachu.&nbsp; Obie nasze rodziny
wspolnie przygotowywaly sie do wyjazdu.&nbsp; Bagazniki, jak przystalo
na overprotective Jewish girls and mother, wypelniony byl po brzegi zapasami
jedzenia, dostalam rowniez czasopisma i ksiazki (Zydzi nie moga zyc bez
ksiazek i chwala im za to) na temat jak dbac o oswojone kroliki.
<p>Po przyjezdzie zaczelam proby z przystosowaniem krolikow do zycia na
wolnosci tak jak obiecalam moim Zydoweczkom, Karen lat 6&nbsp; and Laura,
8.&nbsp; Wypuscilam je z klatki w szopie ktora ma wielkie okno na Zachod.&nbsp;
Wypuszczone, oczywiscie natychmiast zaczely zalatwiac sie po kacikach co
mi zupelnie nie przeszkadzalo bo podloga jest drewniana ze sklejki.&nbsp;
Bylo czarujacym obserwowac Szarego i Czarnego bo rownie blyskawicznie zrobili
sobie parking na parapecie okna ktore wychodzi na zachod w gorach i widziec
ich cztery uszy na tle kolorowo&nbsp; zachodzacego slonca.
<p>Po kilku dniach zaczelam ich wypuszczac na dwor.
<p>Uciechy co niemiara.&nbsp; Kroliki jak konie tyl;nymi nogami z radosci
podskakiwaly w gore.&nbsp; Zaprzyjaznily sie rowniez z kotka mego syna.&nbsp;
Obwachiwaly sie co kilka minut, nie wiedzac czy to drugi krolik czy to
drugi kot. Kotka czaila sie za nimi i udawala ze na nie poluje jak one
skubaly trawe i zeschle, opadajace liscie.&nbsp; Jak kroliczeta do niej
podbiegaly ona uciekala .&nbsp; Kroliki od wiosny nie byly jeszcze dorosle.
<p>Zadziwiajace bylo ze wogole nie byly zainteresowane wiecej ani suszona
marchwia ani witaminami ani&nbsp; suszonymi jablkami ani alfalfa.&nbsp;
Najlepiej wcinaly opadajace liscie z jesionow a potem odrastajaca po suszy
trawe.
<p>Jak zlapalam jednego i wsadzilam do klatki na 24 Szary natychmiast poszedl
na strajak glodowy w jego (jej?) zlotej klatce.&nbsp; Polozyl sie na boku,
nic nie jadl, galazkami ktore mu wsadzalam do klatki zupelnie sie nie interesowal
… wygladal pol martrwy.&nbsp; Wiekszosc czasu spal lub lezal na boku
nieruchomo z zamknietymi oczyma.&nbsp; Czas do czasu staral sie wygryzc
przez drewniany dach klatki ale poniewaz bylo to beznadziejne znowu popadal
w dretwote.&nbsp; A Czarny/a (?) szalal/a na wolnosci.&nbsp; Czasem i to
rzadko podbiegala pod kaltke w ktorej byl Szary ale Szary byl tak zgnebiony
ze i niepodnosil powieki.
<p>Mam do czynienia z ludzmi ktorzy sa chorzy na depresje.&nbsp; Oczywiscie
kroliczeta nie mowia (rowniez malo mowia ludzie cierpiacy na chorobliweprzygnebienie)
ale&nbsp; ludzkie pozy ciala i zachowanie w stanie przygnebienia jest niesamowicie
podobne do przygnebienia u krolikow.&nbsp; Zadne z czasopism ktore dostalam
na temat opieki nad krolikami w domu o tym nie pisze.
<p>Nerwowo nie wytrzymalam i wypuscilam Szarego.
<p>Sielanka trwala okolu dwu tygodni.&nbsp; Jak wracalam od znajomych autem
na podworku siedziala i czekala na mnie trojca:&nbsp; szary dlugi ogon
i cztery dlugie ucha: kotka Sirka (po ukrainsku szara) kotka i Siryj (po
ukrainsku Szary) i Czarny kroliczeta.
<p>Powiedzialam synowi ze wiecej nie bedziemy musieli najmowac sasiada
do koszenia trawy – Siryj i Czarny wyszczypali najsmaczniejsze czubki traw
i ziol.&nbsp; Jak ja ich probowalam zlapac uciechy co niemiara Ja do krolikow
a one chodu i podskauja do gory tylnymi lapami zadowolone ze mi sie starej
to nie udaje.&nbsp; W czworke chodzilismy na spacery do lasu. Z przodu
Siryj i Czarny z tlu czas do czasu dobiegala do na Sira kotka. Ja jak przystalo
na starsza matrone po srodku.
<p>Nie wiem skad pochodzily kroliczeta z Polski czy z Izraela ale napewno
nie byly amerykanskie.&nbsp; Zadnego amerykanskiego jedzenia dla krolikow
nie chcialy sie dotknac wiecej ani do soli ani do witamin ani do suszonej
alfala, przysmakow ktore byly dla nimi w Queens.
<p>Natomiast tu w gorach na wsi zajadaly i jadly z reki suszone begels
z Cohen Bakery ukrainskiego Zyda (jego wypieki to smakolyki takze dla ludzi).
<p>Sielanka trwala przez dwa tygodnie.&nbsp; Kroliczeta spaly pomiedzy
deskami pod szopa i ani mowy nie bylo zeby wchodzily do Zlotej Klatki made
by Sierra Club.
<p>Jednej nocy zrobila na nas napad rodzina opopsow praczy racoon.&nbsp;
Szum pod szopka mnie zbudzil o drugiej w nocy.&nbsp; Rano nie bylo Siroho.
<p>Mimo niebezpieczenstwa Czarny nie dawal mi sie wiecej zlapac.&nbsp;
Nie bylam go w stanie chowac na noc do klatki a on sam do niej nie wchodzil.&nbsp;
Przez tydzien biegal samotnie po trawniku i bawil sie z Sirka.&nbsp; Oznak
zaloby tak charakterystycznej dla nas ludzi nie zdolalam zauwazyc ani u
Sirki ani u Czarnego.
<p>To tylko mnie bylo przykro.
<br>&nbsp;
<p>Cztery dni pozniej oposy pracze, mama i troje doroslych dzieci nie daly
za wygrana.&nbsp; Znowu odbyl sie szum pod szopka.&nbsp; Na drugi dzien
rano nie stalo Czarnego.
<p>Obecnie kotka Sirka wlazla mi na piersi i domaga sie ryby z konserwy
albo bym sie z nia bawila.&nbsp; Jak byly kroliczeta, mna sie nie interesowala.
<p>Po tej dlugiej historii pozostaja dwa pytania:
<p>Czy dawac wolnosc i pewna smierc milym lecz niezbyt madrym kroliczetom
czy trzymac je w zlotej klatce???
<p>Czy dawac wolnosc glupim ludziom skazujac ich na to ze w pobliskim wiezieniu
jest okolo 80% czarnych mlodych mezczyzn czy utrzymywac ich w ryzach i
niewolnictwie dajac im dobre jedzenie i opieke lekarska i mieszkanie tak
jak to robili wlasciciele niewolnikow w poludniowych stanach?
<p>Lub co robic z umyslowo uposledzonymi lub samobojcami.&nbsp; Czy ratowac
ich przed smiercia czy nie?.&nbsp; Moja kuzynka w Polsce lekarz pediatrii,
lat 43 popelnila trzecia skuteczna probe samobojstwa w lipcu po rozwodzie
w kwietniu.
<p>Do tej pory nic na temat kroliczat nie powiedzialam moim sasiadkom Zydoweczkom
Laurze i Karen.&nbsp; Czy mam dalej klamac tzn unikac ich i nic im nie
mowic czy powiedziec ze ich ulubionych kroliczat juz nie ma?
<p>Niemowienie prawdy jest zasadniczo klamstwem.&nbsp; Rowniez nie powtarzanie
kalmstwa jest kalmstwem.&nbsp; Na przyklad, w swych wielotomowych wspomnieniach
z przebiegu DWS De Gaul , Gen Eisenhower i Churchill ani jednym slowem
nic nie napisali o gazowaniu Zydow.&nbsp; Czy milczeli dlatego ze pamietali
propagande (bujdy) na temat ‘holocaust’ 6,000,000&nbsp; Zydow w Polsce
i na ukrainie wypisywane w prasie w czasie Pierwszej Wojny??
<p>Milczec trudno i mowic trudno i co robic w przyszlosci jesli zdecyduje
zeby tu u syna miec do towarzystwa dla siebie i dla samotnej Sirki parke
krolikow???
<p>Kupic jej kota?? A kto bedzie wychowywal kocieta??
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;</html>

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Philip Mathews wrote:

> In >Message-id: <[email protected]>

> >polin [email protected] wrote:
>
> >British hangman should be in quotation marks since Hess was hanged a few
> >years later
> >in Poland.
>
> In other words he had no British hangman as you asserted in your prior post. Do
> you believe putting quotation marks around the term changes it from a falsehood
> to something truthful?

> >Do not prevaricate and disinforme with it readesrs but give verbatim citation
> >from his
> >book admitting to toruturing Hoess!!
>
> I think this would be better directed to you, since you made the initial
> charge. How about it!

> >Do not misrepresent picture of handcuffed Hoess who looked cadaveric on the
> >day of his
> >transfer to Polish authorities.
>
> What is your evidence for this?

His gaunt appereance in the photo.

> >Explain why Hoess confessed to exxagerated 3,000,000 victims in his three
> >year regin
> >at Auschwitz. Did he wish to be hanged three times or four times??
>
> Explain how this has anything to do with your charge of torture?

Unless forced, people do not generally admit to crimes they did not pepetrated

> >I would like to respect you as an honest exterminationist. If you have no
> >good
> >contra-argument admit to it. To some questions posed by you we revisionists
> >do not
> >have (hopefully as yet) good answeres and we admit to it e.g. why 50% of
> >Polish
> >priests died at Dachau while none of Ukrainian or Lithuanian priests.
>
> Now if you would only stop posting denier propoganda (you and your ilk are not
> revisionists, because revisionism is performed by historians)!
>
> Philip Mathews

> >Polina
> >
> >Polina

> >”Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:
> >
> >> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> >> <[email protected]>…
> >>
> >> > “Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> >> > > <[email protected]>…
> >>
> >> > > > who cares about [extorted] testimonies obtained
> >> > > > during Nuremberg trials?
> >> > >
> >> > > Anybody interested in the history of the period.
> >> > >
> >> > > But since you claim otherwise, please name a single prosecution
> >> witness
> >> > > whose testimony was “extorted”
> >>
> >> > The British hangman and the interrogator of R. Hoess claimed in his
> >> recent book
> >> > that he was tortured.
> >>
> >> First, that is incorrect. The statement was made that when Hoess
> >denied
> >> his identity he was struck in the face. The interrogator then went on to
> >> state that to get his statement they got Hoess drunk and kept him drunk.
> >> This was confirmed by Hoess’ memoirs. Pictures of Hoess exist when he was
> >> transferred to the American army less than a week after his “bveating.”
> >> His face is unmarked.
> >>
> >> Second, the “British hangman” made no such statement because he
> >does not
> >> exist. After his testimony at Nuremberg Hoess was, pursuant to the Lonodn
> >> accord, transferred to Poland the the site of his crimes. He was held in a
> >> Polish prison, tried by a Polish court, and hanged by a Polish executioner.
> >>
> >> Third, Hoess was a not a witness for the presecution. Hoess was a
> >DEFENSE
> >> witness called by Dr. Kurt Kaufmann who represented Ernst Kaltenbrunner to
> >> give testimony that was supposed to exonerate his client.
> >>
> >> I am amazed that anyone claiming to be a “researcher” on these
> >trial would
> >> not know these simple facts.
> >>
> >> > > or a signle document named in the analysis
> >> > > of the nazi war against Christianity which was not proved to be
> >> authentic.
> >>
> >> > The above is incomprehensible to me.
> >>
> >> Then let me make it simple. Evidence was presented at Nuremberg
> >about the
> >> persecution of Christian churchmen, both Catholic and Protestant. The
> >> evidence, as with most of the evidence at Nuremberg, was documentary in
> >> nature. You have claimed that forged documents were used to prove these
> >> crimes.
> >>
> >> NAME THEM!!!!

> >> –YFE
> >>
> >> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> >> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> >> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/(Page doesn`t exist)
> >> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/
>
> “Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing
> knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be ignorant
> than would take even a little trouble to acquire it.” Samuel Johnson

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Orac who lists himself as a.k.a. David Gorski see bottom of this page is an
important figure on alt.revisionism

He is perhaps the best educated anti-revisionist being a PhD if I am not
mistaken and a young surgeon from Chicago area.

Frequenting recently alt.revisionism I noticed that there are no other so
erudite anti-revisionists and so civil in their responses as him. It is
unfortunate that lately he resorts to on-liners suffused with adjectives and
not facts, but responding factualy on internet takes time and him being I
presume busy, surgeon it has to be excused.

Still I wish to point that Dr. Gorski, paradoxically, is a revisionist at
heart. The word is out since publication of the book by prof Lipstadt that we
Jews and Holocaustians do not get into discources or discussions or rebutals
with revisionists. And virtually every erudite Jew and every academic
Holocaustian toes the party line.

Like the Pope they never lower themself to debate with his/their intellectual
opponents. Only Orac does it … because he is like the Jewish philosopher
Spinoza a revisionist at heart.

My restrained admiration to you Orac.

Polina, the perenial revisionist

Orac wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, “Grazyna Lesniak”
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Orac :
> >
> > >Yes, you definitely don’t want to get into e-mail exchanges with
> > “Polina”
> > >(a.k.a. Pawlikowski). He has no compunction about posting private
> > e-mail
> > >to public Usenet newsgroups. He did it to me once many months ago on
> > >alt.revisionism.

> > To be honest – it doesn’t matter. I don’t change my mind in private ๐Ÿ™‚
> > Anyway – thanks.
>
> Whether or not you change your mind in private is really not the point,
> actually. There’s the tendency to say things in private e-mail that you
> wouldn’t post to Usenet. At least for me that’s true, and it appears to be
> true for many people, hence my warning to you. Pawlikoski didn’t really
> post anything that embarrassed me, but the principle that private e-mail
> should not be posted in a public forum without the author’s permission was
> violated, and that ticked me off.
>
> Also, Pawlikowski is an unrepentant Holocaust denier and anti-Semite, but
> you probably already noticed that.

> > BTW – sorry, off-topic question : do you read my posts in
> > alt.revisionism?
> > I’m not able to read this NG and when I send my posts in this thread my
> > computer “can’t convert alt.rev.”. Just curious.
>
> Yes, I am posting this from alt.revisionism. I do not frequent any of the
> newsgroups on Subject: header line.

> Orac |”A statement of fact cannot be insolent.”–Orac
> a.k.a. |
> David Gorski|”If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
> | inconvenience me with questions?”–Orac again

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PONIECKA wrote:

> “Polina Borowska” wrote:
>
> >Volodymyr Katylnyckyj, 43,
> >victim of Polyo, assasinated in Kyiv two years ago for publicizing
the Soviet
> >hoax of the Babi Yar.
>
> Why are you writing with an Ukrainian accent?
>
> PONIECKA

There are three general reasons and perhaps one personal.

3) Jewish anti-Polonism is hardly less viscious as anti-Ukrainianism, this is an
emotional reason. Thus we should jointly fight it, to be more effective.

2) Both holocausts, each of 6,000,000 Jews allegedly took place in Poland and
Ukraine this is a historical reason that we have to discuss these matters in the
context of each other

1) Political reason: free Poland without friendship and free Ukraine can not exist
in Europe between United Germany and still strong Russia. Ukraine is the second
largest country in Europe provided 20% to the USSR and 40% of GNP. Ukraine is an
industrial powerhouse of Europe although presently (temporarily) depressed.
Ukraine’s enormous material resources and intellectual rescources can not be
suppresses for long (Soviet space effort stemed from Ukraine and the father of the
soviet sputnik was an Ukrainian Serhij Koroloev an Ukrainian Verner von Brown.)
Thanks God that the Jewish leaders of Poland (Kwasniewski, Geremek) understand
that and appear as patriotic as their predecessors who gave life for Poland Wiktor
Ehrlich and Henryk Adler, pre-war Jewish Bund (socialist) leaders who were killed
in 1942 by their Jewish “co-religionists” from the NKVD in Moscow’s or Kujbyshev
prison.

4) psychiatric reason: bombarded incessantly by the Jewish martyrologic
holocaustomania, we created a myth of our own miniholocaust allegedly comited on
us by Ukrainians. For example we believe that Ukrainian partisants disemboweled
pregnant Polish women and saw back into their empty uteri a rabits, or that
Ukrainians would insert a rats in Polish vaginas who would burrow themself out
through Polish women breast or that Ukrainians curcified on fences Polish priests
or bundled Polish children to a roadside trees like a bunch of an apples or a
strawmans.

This physically impossilble and psychologically psychotic martyrologic imagery
and ideations are implanted on the minds of our children and were implanted in my
mind by various sick and collaborating with the communists crypto-Jews in Poland
like prosecutor Jacek Wilczur, prof Edward Prus, Aleksander Korman, M. Gerhard and
others. Such imagery results in criminality in our children like the one in
Columbine school in Colorado. In Poland shootings are not possible because no
access to firearms. One of the Columbine perpetrators was a rich Jewish boy
Keybold fixed on Nazis and the Holocaust.

We must not placidly submit ourself to this holocaustian pathologic nonsense
directed by us on Ukrainians who fought with us for a time for their freedom.
Eventually Armia Krajowa – WiN fought soviets jointly with UPA. We have to gert
rid of ourself of our own especially Volynians group fantasies of martyrdom.

Or history and education was always fixed on heroic and positive role models and
not on the sheep going to the gas chambers.

Moreover, we as Poles are guilty of occasional atrocity perpetrated on us by
Ukrainains in Kresy. Polish Government in Exile issued a nigardly directive to
Armia Krajowa to conduct mititary activity against Germans only on Kresy in order
to avoid German reprisals on Polish populace! Thus we fought Germans in Lithuania
and Wolyn and Galicia in actions like Wachlarz and Burza but not in Lodz, Lublin
Krakow or Poznan and Warszawa until summer of 1944.

This was hardly a rycerskosc (chivalary) of the Polish Government.

5) Finally and perhaps least importantly I stress Ukrainan points because my
husband happened to be Ukrainian and he happened to contribute more time and $$ to
the Polish causes that great majority of Poles including my brother. He
understood that without free Poland there will be no free Ukraine in Europe.

I hope this answers your pointed question and you are free to distribute this
answer to others.

Polina Borowska

PS Why do I not suffer a verbal abuse from you like from other Poles Jews or
Ukrainians. How come you can rationally read material which fly into face and
oppose your ideas?

You must be as crazy as Polina by the standars of most of the people reading and
responding to these lines.

Congratulations, Mrs Poniecka. You are in the 0.5 percentile of individuals who
think instead respond with mental knee jerks.

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Dear Mr. Mc Vay,

Many thanks for your response and help.

In 1994-1996 when I was studying Nuremberg trials Yale International Law
Library did NOT have complete set on their shelves. Perhaps since they
obtained missing volumes. I will certainly refer to Avalon web project!
Thank you for pointing me in this direction.

For about a decade I am trying to find a set in used book stores in NYC area
to no avail. Simultaneously I called about 30 nearby libraries asking if
they still do not have a set in a storage pepared for discarding as “not
circulating” and also met with no sucess an older librarians told me they
discarded it decades ago as dust colleting and shelf occupying volumes.

Apperently, our parents and grandparents still remembering propaganda of the
Frist world war did not take the Nuremberg trials seriously, as most of us
does it today.

One of the librarian told me that the set they had they received free from
the Government Printing Office. Since I do not believe eyewitness testimony
I would not take her statement as accurate.

Many thanks for your work at Nizkor. We and especially I a revisionst find
a plethora of useful material at your site. We both see importance of
putting these material of the internet but differ in their interpretation
only.

Sincerely,

Polina Borowska

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I live in Queens, NY and believe it or not I found the only incomplete
> >but the most
> >complete set, and most accessible to me, on which was one in the
> >basement of the
> >obsucre International Law Library at Yale University in New Haven CT!
>
> Yale Law has a complete set – see their Avalon Project on the web.
> Several other sites on the web are transcribing the transcripts from
> the first trial, including the Avalon and Nizkor Projects. Nizkor will
> be finished within 12 months, barring unforeseen problems.
>
> Complete sets are also available through used book stores and rare
> book dealers – I found a complete British set for sale on the web in
> 1997, and bought it.
>
> It is also available on CDROM, but the copy I purchased is so full of
> errors as to be totally unreliable for anything other than an index
> for the hard copy – that’s the Aristarchus disk, but don’t waste your
> money if you want the transcripts for anything more serious than
> indexing.
>
> Try looking a little more diligently, and you will find it.

> The Nizkor Project: An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
> Search: https://nizkor.org/search.html Broken link
> Funding: https://nizkor.org/funding.html Broken link

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Dear Mr. K.

I do not understand your question and did not say he lied.

Hoes as you know grossly exaggerated the number of victims of his camp in order to
be in accord with the data of his captors i.e. the 4,000,000 which is now greatly
reduced by the orthodox holocaustian scholars and politicians.

Being the Commandant he had to be The Source of the primary statistics and not
Eichmann and Berlin.

He was simply forced to sign the confessions/testimony by his captors. I think
that much is clear.

In regard to Eichmann, his testimony about the geysers of blood in Lemberg is
foerensically absurd. There is an old Roman legal maxime -saying “once a laiar
always a lair”, unless proven otherwise.

More interesting is why Eichmann “lied” on the witness stand in Jerusalem or in
interogation room.

Eichmnann trial was the first to be ever videotaped, then on 35 mm wide
videorecording tape.

His still photos int the glass booth and snippets from newsreel cameras from his
show trial were reproduced over and over the world over. But the incriminating
videotape was embargoed and locked up for near fortry years.

And then a lapsus lingue occured. The restriction on its showing was apparently
forgotten after 40 years and the ABC TV showed it on the Court TV Channel in April
to commemortate the Month of the Holocaust.

When I watched that program I was struck dumb for two reasons:

1) Eichmann in the glass booth was constantly pumping his tongue against his cheek
in a unmistakenable, incontroveritble Tardive Dyskinesia movement. So far Tardive
Dyskinesia has been described only as the common, permanent and disabling side
effect of Thorazine a potent and the first of the modern psychotropic drugs, the
mainstay, to this day, of modern psychiatry.

Soviet dissidents like the Ukrainian (Red Army) rocketry general Hryhorenko were
given Thorazine to subdue them mentally. Since Eichman was determined well
psychiatrically there was no medical need to give him thorazine.

No beatings or tortures were required like from Hoes to extort ‘appropriate’
testimony. An injection of 20 miligrams of Thorazine was turning Eichmann and
soviet dissidents into submissive zombies.

While under influence of thorazine he did not have to be told what to testify he
was inventing and relaying delusions and confabulations satisfying his captors.

I hope this explains to you my position correctly.

I do welcome civil responses to my e-mail which I will not publish on the Internet
as inssinuated by ORAC.

Greetings from Polina and God Bless you.

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> https://nizkor.org
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Facsimile of Hoess deposition in English allegedly signed by him and
> >being part of
> >Nuremberg record, available from the USHMM indicates number 2,500,000
> >plus 500,000
> >victims who died due to disease and privation.
> >
> >It is preposterous on the part of Yale to state that Hoess the Commendant of
> >Auschwitz for about three years had to rely on Eichman from Berlin to
> >know how may
> >victims he (Hoess) killed. It was duty of Hoess to report these number
> >to Berlin not
> >vice versa.
>
> Other than your feeling – i.e. that something someone said was/is
> “preposterous” – do you have any evidence that Hoess lied? Do you have
> any evidence that Eichmann lied?
>
> —
> The Nizkor Project: An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
> Search: https://nizkor.org/search.html Broken link
> Funding: https://nizkor.org/funding.html Broken link

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“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…

> > “Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:
>
> > > polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > > <[email protected]>…
> > > > My title is self explanatory
> > >
> > > And once more displays your ignorance.
> > >
> > > The proof of the experimental attempts to make soap from human
> flesh was
> > > brought by the British based on evidence that they developed.
>
> > 1) Soap can not be made from any “flesh”.
>
> Wrong. Soap is routinely made from animal fat.

In my comprehension “flesh” = meat and fat is not “flesh”. English is a living
language and is used variously by different people. In earlier postings of two days
ago I explained the chemistry of production of fat by hydrolysis of the fatty acids –
glycerol esters (animial fat) and creation of faty acid + sodium hydroxide a water
soluble fat. From 1945-1947 while I was growing up as a little girl in a Polish
village all the soap we used was made at home because it was not available in the
village store. The chemistry of this process I learned in the sixth grade. Do not
trust me that I cite this “scholastic” knowledge, about 50 years old exactly. Do not
trust me as an eyewitness or any eyewitness unless mine and their testimony is proven
by physical evidence.

> I have frequently done so using recipes from the 18th century.

I knew that we have something in common

> > 2) Studying the two dozens of fat volumes of Nurmemberg trial proceeeings
> is
> > trying. Virtrually all of public libraries got rid of them because they
> were not
> > used by their readers. None of the 23,000 libraries being part of the
> OCLC have them
> > available for interlibrary loans.
>
> They are being made available on the Internet.

According to yesterday communication – posting of K. Mc Vay they are being made so
still not available in entirety. Dont you read his posts???

> Further more than 10 libraries within a normal drive from my house in
> Allentown PA have copies.

Please, PLEASE give it to me their names by e mail so I might call each of them and
convince them to sell to me their dust-collecting and space occupying volumes. Do not
post their names on Internet because other Revisionists might outbid me!

After I call them all of them then you can and should list them on the Net.

> > I live in Queens, NY and believe it or not I found the only incomplete
> but the most
> > complete set, and most accessible to me, on which was one in the
> basement of the
> > obsucre International Law Library at Yale University in New Haven CT!
>
> A copy is in the New York Public Library. The Columbia School of Law has
> a copy as well. You will find that both the Red and Blue series (I’m sure
> you know what they are since you’re an expert on them) are both complete.
> There is a volume of the Green Series missing from both collections.

Thus even in NYC ivory towers the sets are incomplete. I missed the point that I
wrote “which were most accessible to me.” Due to my physical disability I can not
travel by subways to Manhattan. Moreover, if I drive alone I have to use nearby
parking which costs up to $19.00 per hour. I can not aford this. It is less
expensive for me to drive to 60 miles to New Haven than to 5 miles to nearby
Manhattan.

I am astonished that poor and punny Allentown PA area libraries have Nuremberg
proceedings. On the way to New Haven the weathiest public library in the world, the
Greenwich Public Library (just two years ago they received $13,000,000 from the
heiress of the American Tabacco Co, the largest single donor bequest received by a
library in America) does not have the Preoceedings, discarded long time ago. 15 miles
further up on the Interstate 95 there is a public library with the highest expenditure
per person for new book ( about $22,00) in America combined with the highest lending
rate of books per person per year.

This is the Darien Public Library. Darien is a small NYC bedroom community of about
20,000 individuals which while it discarded its Nurmeberg Proceedings it holds on its
shelfs about 40 copies of the [adultered] allegedly authentic Diary of Ann Frank.

The community whith the highest readership in the country was not interested in the
Nuremberg proceedings, dear Yale.

> > With Dean being a Jew and 70% of student body of being Jewish, this
> university
> > removed the set of the Nuremberg trial proceedings from the main ornate
> Sterling
> > library literaly to the ‘anus mundi’ or the bowels of its campus.
> Apparently even
> > its holocaustian student body is not interested in its Bible! Why?
>
> And they really hid it from the public by putting it on their Internet
> site.

You are using Talmudic methods Yale. Note that the question was WHY and I am refering
to the availability between 1950-1995. In that era there was no Internet!
You are heroically trying to weasel out of difficult questions with resonses to
questions not asked.

> Why are you lying again.

The above deserves no comment.

> > Instead, the price and the pride of this Jewish university
>
> It is no more a Jewish university than you are a loyal Pole. Which is not
> at all.

Call the Dean and ask him, look at the last names of students and academia
(proffessors). Granted, half of the students do not look Jewish as about 15% of them
are Oriental and 5% Black. Most importantly todays Jewish youth does not look Jewish
due to miscegenation like Hilary Clinton or Edgar Bronfman, but look at her daughter
or Hilary brothers … “pure” Asheknazim from Przemysl, Della [Bella] Murray’s home
town (Hilary’s grandma).

> > Thus, studying of such proceedings is difficult
>
> Only if you are stupid to find a copy.

I think that the readers will evaluate my efforts at finding the Proceedings
differently, than you Yale.

I do have work to be done. I have no time to continue. I think from my writing is
clear who is correct and who is devoid of reasonable arguments and angry.

I am signing off, Polina

> > and apriori non-productive in a
> > court where them most primitive cross-examination of witnesses was
> abolished
>
> A lie. There was no limit on cross-examination.
>
> >and
> > affidavits (not even testimony) was accepted as proven fact.
>
> Another lie from the fake Pole. Affidavits were used only where the
> witness was unavailable or dead. There is no instance where the affidavit
> of an available witness was used. There is only one affidavit that was
> crucila to the decision. That was the affidavit of Chester Nimitz which
> was used to ACQUIT Doenitz.
>
> > Thus C. Porter found
>
> C. Porter is a notorious liar and incompetent. Please see my article on
> how he couldn’t even cut and paste accurate quotations on The Holocaust
> History Project.
>
> > Going back to your specific accusation about British developing the
> human-fat-soap
> > hoax, I think you are wrong or partially wrong.
>
> I think you are crazy as a loon. Now go and do some research.
>
> > In the collection of the documents provided by the Soviets at Nuremberg
> there is a
> > photo of a white flat enameled tray with cakes of soap which is labled in
> Cyrylic
> > script. I do not think British communicate in Cyrylic alfabet.
>
> Exhibits intended for use at Nuremberg were given numbers.
>
> Give the number of this exhibit so that others may find it.
>
> > Am I correct about this photograph??
>
> I’ve never seen it. And unlike you I have had access to the original
> exhibits.
>
> > In any case it is immaterial who delivered the evidence which is now
> accepted by
> > orthodox Holocaustian as fake and fabricated.
>
> You are a liar.
>
> Please name a single historian who states that the evidence accepted by
> the IMT and made part of their judgment is either fake or fabricated.
>
> For an “independent journalist” you are an incompetent and dishonest
> researcher. Rather than trying to find out facts you mindlessly repeat the
> garbage found on websites maintained by the lunatic fringe. You are so
> incompetent as a researcher that you could not even locate a set of books
> in a library a ten minute subway ride from where you live.
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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You are partially correct Yale, read below,

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> > Dear Yale,
>
> > You are using Madison Ave technique of asdvertising that falsity repeated
> 1,000
> > times becomes truth. It works for a long time as the tobacco industry is
> learning
> > today.
>
> Wrong you are a Jew-hating fake whose hidden agenda is the rehabiliation
> olf Adolf Shitler.

I am not Jew hater, and occasionally defend Jews from anti-Semites, when warranted.
On the other hand, yes, my agedna is to defend and bring forward the truth which
ferequently = rehabilitation of Hitler.
>
> having shown to be ignorant and to have continually misrepresented
> nonsense as facts you are reduced to the usual behavior of the denier of
> the Holocaust.
>
> > Indicdentally your evil Adolf Hitler did not some and advocated
> abstinence from it
> > because German physicians suspected decades before American physicians
> that smoking
> > causes cancer.
>
> A simple lie. Will you begin to tell the truth soon.

> Incidently, ignorant one, cigarettes were known in the US as “coffin
> nails” as early as World War I.

Journa of the American Medical Association stopped carry advertisment for cigarettes
in early 1950’s. Such adds woudl state that e.g. Camel is best for the soothing of
the sore throat.

> > > > > The Soviets supplied almost no documents whatsoever and the
> > > majority of
> > > > > those they used in evidence were supplied to them by the US army.

There is entire collection of Soviet delivered documents to Nuremberg I thing
designated #6. There are descriptions in them of 600,000 Jewish vitims at Lviv,
300,000 in Odessa etc. Polish Historical Society published a booklet on this subject
about ten years ago, on the 50th anniverssary of the Babi Yar , which I do not have
handy

> > > But the fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> And he still hasn’t.
>
> And now all he wants to do is call names.
>
> > > > > > The most notorious examples of those false
> > > > > > documents are the witness testimonies, the
> > > > > > forensic report and other evidence produced at
> > > > > > the trial of ten German officers accused of
> > > > > > murdering thousands of Polish POWs at the
> > > > > > Katyn Forest.
> > >
> > > > > You are wrong again. The Soviets presented no doucmentary
> > > evidence of the
> > > > > Katyn massacre and what evidence they did present was easily proven
> > > > > fraudulent to the Tribunal which did not credit it.
> > >
> > > But the fake Pole did not answer this.

I am too busy to continue, think answeres above give you taste of Yales
irresponsibility.
Poina

> And he still hasn’t.
>
> All he wants to do now is call names.
>
> > > > > I find it strange that the deniers of the Holocaust
> continually
> > > use the
> > > > > fact that the Tribunal was savvy enough to expose frauds as
> evidence
> > > that
> > > > > the Tribunal was incapable of determining what was fraudlulent or
> not.
> > >
> > > But the fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> And he still hasn’t.
>
> All he wants to do now is call names.
>
>
> > > > > In the eyes of the law, the trial at Nuremberg was fair and
> > > honest and
> > > > > those found guilty were given a fair trial. There was no finding
> by
> > > the
> > > > > Tribunal that the Germans committed the Katyn Massacre. In fact
> the
> > > > > evidence presented BY THE DEFENSE was ambiguous. No person was,
> > > therefore,
> > > > > sentenced to death for the crime.
> > >
> > > The fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> And he still hasn’t.
>
> All he wants to do now is call names.
>
> > > > > > This but one example of seemingly endless list
> > > > > > of false documents used as testimony at
> > > > > > Nuremberg trials.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since you haven’t named one your list is not, as you claim,
> > > without end
> > > > > but without beginning.
> > >
> > > The fake Pole still has not provided any.
>
> And he still hasn’t.
>
> All he wants to do now is call names.
>
> > > > > The ignorant statements you make presents another good
> reason
> > > why the
> > > > > Nuremberg trials should be studied. The garbage you pass off as
> “well
> > > > > known facts” will then be instantly recognized as such.
> > >
> > > The fake Pole remains as ignorant as ever.
>
> Even worse. There having been a demosntration that the fake Pole — who
> claimed to be a “journalist” — was just regurgitating garbage from a
> lunatic web site he ran away.
>
> The fact is that the garbage that he accepts on blind faith is an insult
> to every real Pole, every real German, and every real Jew in the world.
> –YFE
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
>
>
> > Philip Mathews wrote:
> >
> > > In >Message-id: <[email protected]>
> > > >
> > >
> > > >polin [email protected] wrote:
> > >
> > > >British hangman should be in quotation marks since Hess was hanged a
> few
> > > >years later
> > > >in Poland.
> > >
> > > In other words he had no British hangman as you asserted in your prior
> post. Do
> > > you believe putting quotation marks around the term changes it from a
> falsehood
> > > to something truthful?
>
> > > >Do not prevaricate and disinforme with it readesrs but give verbatim
> citation
> > > >from his
> > > >book admitting to toruturing Hoess!!
> > >
> > > I think this would be better directed to you, since you made the
> initial
> > > charge. How about it!
>
> The fake Pole has no answer.

Because I am busy I refer you to www.codoh
Polina

> > > >Do not misrepresent picture of handcuffed Hoess who looked cadaveric
> on the
> > > >day of his
> > > >transfer to Polish authorities.
>
> > > What is your evidence for this?
>
> > His gaunt appereance in the photo.
>
> But you don’t even know when the photo was taken. It was taken when he
> was transferred to the US ARMY.
>
> You continue to make erroneous statements about the most easily researched
> of all facts.
>
> I find that strong evidence that you are just regurgitating the
> accusations of lunatic websites without even the ost basic effort to check
> facts.

> > > >Explain why Hoess confessed to exxagerated 3,000,000 victims in his
> three
> > > >year regin
> > > >at Auschwitz. Did he wish to be hanged three times or four times??
>
> > > Explain how this has anything to do with your charge of torture?
>
> > Unless forced, people do not generally admit to crimes they did not
> pepetrated
>
> And since he confessed without force (his memoirs written in a Polish
> prison), you are apaprently arguing that he was guilty.
>
> An excellent article by Prof. John Zimmerman on the credibility of the
> Hoess memiors which demolishes completely the allegations of the deniers of
> the Holocaust can be found on The Holocaust History Project (URL in
> signature line).

> > > Now if you would only stop posting denier propoganda (you and your ilk
> are not
> > > revisionists, because revisionism is performed by historians)!
>
> And since “Polina” nows claims to live in Queens, perhaps he will explain
> why he is posting from and ISP that does not service that area. See
> http://www.catskill.net. (Page doesn`t exist)
>
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> > Dear Mr. Mc Vay,
> >
> > Many thanks for your response and help.
> >
> > In 1994-1996 when I was studying Nuremberg trials Yale International Law
> > Library did NOT have complete set on their shelves.
>
> That is not true. They had a complete set of of the published volumes.
>
> There is a volume of the Green series, which does not concern the IMT
> trial which was printed but, apparently, never distributed.
>
> > For about a decade I am trying to find a set in used book stores in NYC
> area
> > to no avail.
>
> Try a good book search. I reccommend Mike Curtis who psots here.
>
> > Simultaneously I called about 30 nearby libraries asking if
> > they still do not have a set in a storage pepared for discarding as “not
> > circulating” and also met with no sucess an older librarians told me they
> > discarded it decades ago as dust colleting and shelf occupying volumes.
>
> You’re lying. It’s in the reference section of every library I’ve been
> in. Reference books do not circulate.
>
>
> > Apperently, our parents and grandparents still remembering propaganda of
> the
> > Frist world war did not take the Nuremberg trials seriously, as most of
> us
> > does it today.
>
> You’re lying again. It was front page news.

True, to bre red and be forgotten, and American and American Jewry DID forget the
holocaust nearly completely until the next SHOW TRIAL of 1961.
Polina
> > One of the librarian told me that the set they had they received free
> from
> > the Government Printing Office. Since I do not believe eyewitness
> testimony
> > I would not take her statement as accurate.
>
> You never talked to a librarian.
>
> > Many thanks for your work at Nizkor. We and especially I a revisionst
> find
> > a plethora of useful material at your site. We both see importance of
> > putting these material of the internet but differ in their interpretation
> > only.
>
> That’s because you lkie a lot. like this:
>
> > > >I live in Queens, NY
>
> And post from an ISP which does not servie that area.
>
> and believe it or not I found the only incomplete
> > > >but the most
> > > >complete set, and most accessible to me, on which was one in the
> > > >basement of the
> > > >obsucre International Law Library at Yale University in New Haven CT!
>
> Since the NYPL has one, your lie is patent.
> –YFE
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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The more higly educated anti-Revisionists we have the better.

I am sick to read over and over the vularieties you Jewish anti-revisionists
level at us.

You might be correct about Danny Karen, I do not think he uses gutter verbiage

Polina

Richard Phillips wrote:

> polin wrote:
> >
> > Orac who lists himself as a.k.a. David Gorski see bottom of this page is an
> > important figure on alt.revisionism
> >
> > He is perhaps the best educated anti-revisionist being a PhD if I am not
> > mistaken and a young surgeon from Chicago area.
> ===================================================
> Phillips
>
> I believe Danny Keren is also a PhD.
> ===============================================
> >
> > Frequenting recently alt.revisionism I noticed that there are no other so
> > erudite anti-revisionists and so civil in their responses as him.
> ==========================================================
> Phillips
>
> I would class Eugene Holman as even more so.
> ===========================================
> It is
> > unfortunate that lately he resorts to on-liners suffused with adjectives and
> > not facts, but responding factualy on internet takes time and him being I
> > presume busy, surgeon it has to be excused.
> >
> > Still I wish to point that Dr. Gorski, paradoxically, is a revisionist at
> > heart. The word is out since publication of the book by prof Lipstadt that we
> > Jews and Holocaustians do not get into discources or discussions or rebutals
> > with revisionists. And virtually every erudite Jew and every academic
> > Holocaustian toes the party line.
> ================================================
> Phillips
>
> Is this a NEW book by Lipstadt?
> =============================================
> > Like the Pope they never lower themself to debate with his/their intellectual
> > opponents. Only Orac does it … because he is like the Jewish philosopher
> > Spinoza a revisionist at heart.
> >
> > My restrained admiration to you Orac.
> >
> > Polina, the perenial revisionist
> >
> > Orac wrote:
> >
> > > In article <[email protected]>, “Grazyna Lesniak”
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Orac :
> > > >
> > > > >Yes, you definitely don’t want to get into e-mail exchanges with
> > > > “Polina”
> > > > >(a.k.a. Pawlikowski). He has no compunction about posting private
> > > > e-mail
> > > > >to public Usenet newsgroups. He did it to me once many months ago on
> > > > >alt.revisionism.

> > > > To be honest – it doesn’t matter. I don’t change my mind in private ๐Ÿ™‚
> > > > Anyway – thanks.
> > >
> > > Whether or not you change your mind in private is really not the point,
> > > actually. There’s the tendency to say things in private e-mail that you
> > > wouldn’t post to Usenet. At least for me that’s true, and it appears to be
> > > true for many people, hence my warning to you. Pawlikoski didn’t really
> > > post anything that embarrassed me, but the principle that private e-mail
> > > should not be posted in a public forum without the author’s permission was
> > > violated, and that ticked me off.
> > >
> > > Also, Pawlikowski is an unrepentant Holocaust denier and anti-Semite, but
> > > you probably already noticed that.

> > > > BTW – sorry, off-topic question : do you read my posts in
> > > > alt.revisionism?
> > > > I’m not able to read this NG and when I send my posts in this thread my
> > > > computer “can’t convert alt.rev.”. Just curious.
> > >
> > > Yes, I am posting this from alt.revisionism. I do not frequent any of the
> > > newsgroups on Subject: header line.

> > > Orac |”A statement of fact cannot be insolent.”–Orac
> > > a.k.a. |
> > > David Gorski|”If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
> > > | inconvenience me with questions?”–Orac again

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Dear Yale,

How much you would charge for the copy of the 1980s video of Eichmann in which we
could see him intermittently and or in spurts continuously pumping his cheek with his
tongue, the pathogmonic sign of Tardive Dyskinesia ergo side effect of Thorazine/

If you do not respond to this bid, probably the video was made in such as manner as to
take out the moments when he is pumping his cheek.

I am ready to pay for the video up to $50.00. Perhaps other revisionists woudl
chip in if you jack your price above my maximum.

If you do not want to sell let me know if the video is and where available.

Polina.

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> > Dear Mr. K.
> >
> > I do not understand your question and did not say he lied.
> >
> > Hoes as you know grossly exaggerated the number of victims of his camp in
> order to
> > be in accord with the data of his captors i.e. the 4,000,000 which is now
> greatly
> > reduced by the orthodox holocaustian scholars and politicians.
>
> Since the actual estimates he gave while under oath and in his memoirs
> were quite a bit lower, your theory is nonsense. Had he wished to conform
> to the higher estimate he certainly would have done so in his memoirs
> written in a Polish prison.

Stop arguing, use your scanner and provide the facsimile so readers can see
with their
own eyes that I am correct.

> > Being the Commandant he had to be The Source of the primary statistics
> and not
> > Eichmann and Berlin.
>
> Bullshit. He was commandmant only for a large portion of the time
> Auschwitz was in operation. He was promoted and served elsewhere until
> 1944 when he was brought back for the extermiantion of Hungarian Jews.
>
> Why do you not know this simple fact.
>
> > He was simply forced to sign the confessions/testimony by his captors. I
> think
> > that much is clear.
>
> Only to you. He was, moreover, a DEFENSE witness when he gave his
> testimony.

> > And then a lapsus lingue occured. The restriction on its showing was
> apparently
> > forgotten after 40 years and the ABC TV showed it on the Court TV Channel
> in April
> > to commemortate the Month of the Holocaust.
>
> Again, not true. I have a vidoetape of excerpts from the trial made
in the 1980’s.
>
> > When I watched that program I was struck dumb for two reasons:
>
> > 1) Eichmann in the glass booth was constantly pumping his tongue against
> his cheek
> > in a unmistakenable, incontroveritble Tardive Dyskinesia movement. So
> far Tardive
> > Dyskinesia has been described only as the common, permanent and disabling
> side
> > effect of Thorazine a potent and the first of the modern psychotropic
> drugs, the
> > mainstay, to this day, of modern psychiatry.
> >
> > Soviet dissidents like the Ukrainian (Red Army) rocketry general
> Hryhorenko were
> > given Thorazine to subdue them mentally. Since Eichman was determined
> well
> > psychiatrically there was no medical need to give him thorazine.
>
> And he wasn’t.
>
> > No beatings or tortures were required like from Hoes to extort
> ‘appropriate’
> > testimony. An injection of 20 miligrams of Thorazine was turning
> Eichmann and
> > soviet dissidents into submissive zombies.
>
> But neither beatings nor torture were used to obtain Hoess’ testimony.
He was called as a witness by Ernst Kaltenbrunner.

> > While under influence of thorazine he did not have to be told what to
> testify he
> > was inventing and relaying delusions and confabulations satisfying his
> captors.
>
> But he wasn’t given thorazine.
>
> > I hope this explains to you my position correctly.
>
> Sure. You’re a lying fruitloop.
>
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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Astonishing!

Below John Morris explains and excuses Nuremberg American Prosecutor,
reknown and
respected American jourist lies in the International Court of Law!

Jaksons mention of vaporizng prisoners with atomic energy implies:

1) that he himself fabricated the story out of a whole cloath, and unlikely proposition
and a charge to an honest and impartial American jurist who allegedly have had plethora
of authentic incriminating evidence. If so why he resorted to fabrications and ruses???

2) implies that he heard the story from survivors, was unsure of them and before accusing
Speer outright and compromise survivors on the witness stand he tested them in this
manner, without prevaricating on his own.

3) since servivors are to be belived (a dictum of Holocaustianity and the basis of the
Holocaust) if the second possibility is true, then we must consider it as proven that
atom was used for vaporization of humans by the Nazis.

If my logic is faulty, please indicate, or perhaps you have some others explanations to
make

Polina

John Morris wrote:

> In <[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on Sun, 24 Oct
> 1999 18:38:41 -0400, polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >”Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:
>
> >> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> >> <[email protected]>…
> >> > My title is self explanatory
>
> >> And once more displays your ignorance.
>
> >> The proof of the experimental attempts to make soap from human flesh was
> >> brought by the British based on evidence that they developed.
>
> >1) Soap can not be made from any “flesh”. It is produced by hydrolysis [break down]
> >of animal fat into fatty acids and glycerol and addition of sodium hydroxide and
> >forming from the original esters a fatty acid sodium salt.
>
> >No one invented production of saponyfying agent from human or any protein.
>
> Nice strawman fallacy, Joseph/Jozef/Joanna/Polina. In fact, you have
> just proven that it is possible to make soap from human fat.
>
> >2) Studying the two dozens of fat volumes of Nurmemberg trial proceeeings is
> >trying. Virtrually all of public libraries got rid of them because they were not
> >used by their readers. None of the 23,000 libraries being part of the OCLC have them
> >available for interlibrary loans.
>
> That is no excuse. Fourteen volumes are already available on the web
> with more to come:
>
> http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/imt.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
> >I live in Queens, NY and believe it or not I found the only incomplete but the most
> >complete set, and most accessible to me, on which was one in the basement of the
> >obsucre International Law Library at Yale University in New Haven CT!
>
> That is no excuse. Fourteen volumes are already available on the web
> with more to come:
>
> http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/imt.htm (Page doesn`t exist)
>
> >With Dean being a Jew and 70% of student body of being Jewish, this university
> >removed the set of the Nuremberg trial proceedings from the main ornate Sterling
> >library literaly to the ‘anus mundi’ or the bowels of its campus. Apparently even
> >its holocaustian student body is not interested in its Bible! Why?
>
> >Instead, the price and the pride of this Jewish university is the Guttenberg Bible
> >on a permanent display in its atomic blast-safe modernistic and beautiful building
> >storing ancient manuscripts. Every night the display descends into A-bomb proof
> >shelter.
>
> >Thus, studying of such proceedings is difficult and apriori non-productive in a
> >court where them most primitive cross-examination of witnesses was abolished and
> >affidavits (not even testimony) was accepted as proven fact.
>
> Then when you finally do read parts of the testimony, you will have a
> tough time explaining the cross-examination of all of the defendants
> and witnesses.
>
> >Thus C. Porter found out that the “fact” that Nazis exterminated Jews
at Auschwitz
> >with atomic bomb has been accepted as proven.
>
> Absolute nonsense. Robert Jackson used an old lawyer’s of indirection
> to induce Albert Speer to testify about the Nazi leadership’s efforts
> to prolong the war needlessly by circulating rumours of new
> super-weapons that would turn the tide of a hopeless battle.
>
> Jackson asks Speer if he ever heard of an experiment in which in which
> 20,000 Jews were vap[ourized with an atomic bomb:
>
> MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: Do you know about that experiment?
>
> SPEER: No, and I consider it utterly improbable. If we had such a
> weapon under preparation, I should have known about it. But we did
> not have such a weapon. It is clear that in chemical warfare
> attempts were made on both sides to carry out research on all the
> weapons one could think of, because one did not know which party
> would start chemical warfare first.
>
> MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: The reports, then, of a new and secret weapon
> were exaggerated for the purpose of keeping the German people in
> the war?
>
> SPEER: That was the case mostly during the last phase of the war.
> From August, or rather June or July 1944 on I very often went to the
> front. I visited about 40 front-line divisions in their sectors and
> could not help seeing that the troops, just like the German people,
> were given hopes about a new weapon coming, new weapons and
> wonder-weapons which, without requiring the use of soldiers, without
> military forces, would guarantee victory. In this belief lies the
> secret why so many people in Germany offered their lives, although
> common sense told them that the war was over. They believed that in
> the near future this new weapon would arrive.
>
> It is absurd to suggest that such a thing as vaporizing Jews was
> “proved” at Nuremberg. The only things considered proved at Nuremberg
> were the charges on the indictment referenced in the Judgment in
> Volume I.
>
> > Thus who should care about nuremberg
> >except for most fanatical Holocaustians?
>
> Obviously you, since you are a know-nothing who believes Carlos
> Porter’s obvious and stupid lies.
>
> >Going back to your specific accusation about British developing the
human-fat-soap
> >hoax, I think you are wrong or partially wrong.
>
> >In the collection of the documents provided by the Soviets at Nuremberg
there is a
> >photo of a white flat enameled tray with cakes of soap which is labled in
Cyrylic
> >script. I do not think British communicate in Cyrylic alfabet.
>
> >Am I correct about this photograph??
>
> You are probably correct about the photograph. It was certainly not
> beyond the capabilities of the Soviets to label their exhibits.
>
> Nevertheless, the evidence was provided to the Soviets by the British
> including the depositions of Witton and Neely, two British prisoners
> set to work at Danzig.
>
> Contrary to the Revisionist myth, the Soviets developed almost none of
> their own evidence.
>
> >In any case it is immaterial who delivered the evidence which is now accepted by
> >orthodox Holocaustian as fake and fabricated.
>
> Wrong again. What legitimate historians have recognized almost since
> the end of the war is that rumours of mass production of Jewish soap
> were in fact rumours invented by camp guards as an additional torment
> of their prisoners.
>
> But the evidence presented at Nuremberg was that Rudolph Spanner of
> the Danzig Anatomical Institute tried to find uses for soap which was
> manufactured from human fat.
>
> In 1960, the prosecutors’ office in Flensburg declined to charge
> Spanner presumably because it was impossible to determine whether he
> had set out to manufacture soap or whether it was a natural by-product
> of boiling the soft tissue off skeletons intended for use as
> anatomical specimens. The process, called maceration, involves
> boiling corpses in water and caustic soda (lye), and it naturally
> saponifies any fats present.
>
> The fact nevertheless remains that Spanner attempted to find ways of
> making the soap useful. Apparently, it stank horribly.
>
> So you see, Polina/Josef/Joanna/Liar, you believe the silliest things
> that Revisionists tell you, and you dwell on irrelevant idiocies like
> “human soap.” It’s time you learned some real history.

> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Nizkooks are not members of homosapiens.
> They are members of Judeosapiens.” Joe Bellinger, May 17, 1999.

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Subject: Re: Lack of physical evidence is essential
>>>Treblinka was cadaveric and smelly but not exterminationist
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Dear Mr. Morris,

The princilple of revisionism rests not in Talmudic debates about testimonies
but on the
contrary on the lack of physical evidence of extermination i.e. forensic,
air-photo and
toxicological evidence.

Were are the bones of the nearly 4,000,000 or 3,000,000 Jews Nazis did not
have time to
cremate?

We found bones of our Polish victims at Katyn, Palmiry, Treblinka I, Miednoje,
Kharkiv and
Ukrainians at Vinnytsa, Lwow, Bykivnia, Byeolrussians in Kuropaty
others in Karelia

Any response?

Polina

John Morris wrote:

> In <[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on Sun, 24 Oct
> 1999 20:09:20 -0400, polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Philip Mathews wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> Polina-Liar said:
> >> >Explain why Hoess confessed to exxagerated 3,000,000 victims in his three
year regin
> >> >at Auschwitz. Did he wish to be hanged three times or four times??
>
> >> Explain how this has anything to do with your charge of torture?
>
> >Unless forced, people do not generally admit to crimes they did not
pepetrated
>
> Ah, the old circular argument. The proof that Hoess was tortured is
> that the Holocaust is a hoax. The proof that the Holocaust is a hoax
> is that Hoess was tortured.
>
> [snip]

> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Nizkooks are not members of homosapiens.
> They are members of Judeosapiens.” Joe Bellinger, May 17, 1999.

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Dear Mr Morris,

You are correct and you are not telling me anything new about Bruno
Gallileo and John tyndal burnt for translating the Bible.

But you must understand that I am also a Polish nationalist and for this
reason I favor Copernicus who was in service to Polish kings. And as a
Pole I will not tell you about Copernicus what is disadvantegeous to our
worship of POSITIVE national heros and not sheep going to the slaugher.

We think that raising children on martyrology results in columbine
massacres vide boy Klebod. You should raise your not on now dehoaxed or
demythologized Massada but on Einstein, Golda Meir, generals Dayan and
Rubin not on holocaustomania.

John Morris wrote:

> In <[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on Sun, 24 Oct
> 1999 18:45:46 -0400, polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Dear Grazyna,
>
> >You also do not know that adjectives belong to poetry and not science.
>
> >Remember Nicholas Copernicus, the greatest revisionist of all times
>
> Oh golly, you even got that one wrong Polina-Liar. Copernicus wasn’t
> persecuted. You’re supposed to remember *Galileo* because he was
> persecuted for telling the truth. Of course, it wasn’t much of a
> persecution since eveyone knew that Kepler in Germany and Newton in
> England were publishing Galileo’s works. Galileo published his last
> work under his own name while under house arrest in Italy.
>
> I have a better suggestion for Revisionists. Remember Giordano Bruno.
> He was an exact contemporary of Galileo’s who also agreed with
> Copernicus. He has the added persecution value in that he was
> actually burnt at the stake.
>
> But, alas, he was burnt at the stake for claiming that God created an
> infinite number of populated worlds. A creation co-infinite with its
> creator did not sit well with early modern Catholics.

> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Nizkooks are not members of homosapiens.
> They are members of Judeosapiens.” Joe Bellinger, May 17, 1999.

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Dear John,

You are citing data from yeasterday. I cited availability from 1995.

I suspect you will castigate me for not perusing Internet in 1980s or 1970s

Have reason

Polina

John Morris wrote:

> In <[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on 24 Oct
> 1999 20:29:14 -0400, “Yale F.Edeiken” <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> ><[email protected]>…
>
> >> 2) Studying the two dozens of fat volumes of Nurmemberg trial proceeeings is
> >> trying. Virtrually all of public libraries got rid of them because they were not
> >> used by their readers. None of the 23,000 libraries being part of the OCLC have them
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> available for interlibrary loans.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> > They are being made available on the Internet.
>
> > Further more than 10 libraries within a normal drive from my house in
> >Allentown PA have copies.
>
> Just a small point since I already answered “Polina’s” excuses, but a
> quick look at OCLC reveals the following for the first record
> Nuremberg proceedings checked:
>
> CA CKX CHAPMAN UNIV SCH OF LAW Lender
> WV WV9 WEST VIRGINIA UNIV LAW LIBR Lender
>
> Ah, what the hell. I’ve got them online and the proxy server loaded
> up.
>
> Second record checked:
>
> KS KKW WASHBURN UNIV Lender
> NJ NJM MONTCLAIR STATE UNIV Lender
> PA PBB BLOOMSBURG UNIV Lender
>
> Gee, that’s five interlibrary lenders in the first two records
> checked.
>
> Third record:
>
> NY NYP NEW YORK PUB LIBR RES LIBR Lender
>
> Ooooo! Not looking too good for OCLC not listing any interlibrary
> lenders. And, hey, doesn’t “Polina” claim to live in Queens, New York
> just across the East River from NYC and the New York Public Library?
>
> Fourth record:
>
> CA CKX CHAPMAN UNIV SCH OF LAW Lender
> CA CPF PEPPERDINE UNIV, LAW LIBR Lender
> CA WST WESTERN STATE UNIV COL OF LAW Lender
> DC DCV CATHOLIC UNIV AMERICA, DUFOUR LAW LIBR Lender
> DC DLC LIBRARY OF CONGRESS Non-lender
> DC LHM US HOLOCAUST MEM MUS Non-lender
> FL FBL SAINT THOMAS UNIV, LAW LIBR Lender
> GA GLL GEORGIA STATE UNIV, LAW LIBR Lender
> IN XND UNIV OF NOTRE DAME, LAW SCH Lender
> LA LLT LOYOLA UNIV, LAW SCH Lender
> LA LSC SOUTHERN UNIV, LAW LIBR Lender
> MA HVL HARVARD UNIV LAW SCH LIBR Non-lender
> MA NLL NEW ENGLAND SCH OF LAW LIBR Lender
> MI ECB THOMAS M COOLEY LAW SCH LIBR Lender
> MS MCC MISSISSIPPI COL, LAW LIBR Lender
> NC NC# NORTH CAROLINA CENT UNIV, LAW SCH LIBR Lender
> NC NDD DUKE UNIV LIBR Lender
> NC NDL DUKE UNIV, LAW LIBR Lender
> NC NRC NORTH CAROLINA STATE UNIV Lender
> NJ STL SETON HALL UNIV, LAW LIBR Lender
> NY UBK US COURTS LIBR, BROOKLYN Non-lender
> NY UCN US COURT OF APPEALS LIBR, 2ND CIRCUIT Non-lender
> NY ZNL NEW YORK LAW SCH LIBR Lender
> OH OHO SUPREME COURT OF OHIO LAW LIBR Non-lender
> VA AVJ US ARMY, JUDGE ADVOCATE GENERAL’S SCH Non-lender
> VA VRL UNIV OF RICHMOND, LAW SCH LIBR Lender
> ZZ Y8V DEPARTMENT FOREIGN AFFAIRS LEGAL LIBR Non-lender
> ZZ [email protected] UNIV STELLENBOSCH, J S GERICKE LIBR Non-lender
>
> Ouch! Twenty-eight more libraries, eighteen of them indicating that
> they will do interlibrary loans of the Nuremberg proceedings. And
> look: two of them are in New York City. Well, alright, one’s in
> Brooklyn, but that’s even closer to Queens.
>
> Just in case anybody thinks I might have mistaken the work in
> question, here is the abbreviated record for last item checked:
>
> TITLE: Trial of the major war criminals before the International
> Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 14 November 1945- 1 October
> 1946.
> PLACE: Buffalo, N.Y. :
> PUBLISHER: William S. Hein,
> YEAR: 1995 1947
>
> I guess that would be yer IMT Blue Series.
>
> The only question left is whether there is anything at all that
> “Polina” *won’t* lie about.
>
> “None of the 23,000 libraries being part of the OCLC have them
> available for interlibrary loans.”
>
> BWAAAHAHAHAHA!
>
> [snip]

> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Nizkooks are not members of homosapiens.
> They are members of Judeosapiens.” Joe Bellinger, May 17, 1999.

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Thank you Mike!

Are you revisionist or exterminationist?

Polina

Mike Curtis wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Dear Mr. K.
> >
> >I do not understand your question and did not say he lied.
> >
> >Hoes as you know grossly exaggerated the number of victims of his camp
in order to
> >be in accord with the data of his captors i.e. the 4,000,000 which
is now greatly
> >reduced by the orthodox holocaustian scholars and politicians.
>
> This is what he testified to doing the above deposition during 1 April
> and 2 April 1946. The following conversation came on page 14 during
> the 2 April 1946 Deposition while they were talking about Jews:
>
> Q: But still Auschwitz succeeded in exterminating quite a number,
> something like the millions, didn’t they?
>
> A: Yes.
>
> Q: How many millions?
>
> A: I again refer back to the statement made to me by Eichmann in March
> or April, 1944, when he had to go and report to Reichfuehrer that his
> office had turned over two and one-half million to the camp.
>
> Q: To the Auschwitz area?
>
> A: Yes.Q: Only in the Auschwitz area?
>
> A: Yes.
>
> Q: Two and one-half million, you say?
>
> A: Yes.
>
> Q: Are you [sic] you a little confused just now?
>
> A: The reasons why I remember the number, two and one-half million, is
> because it was repeatedly told to me that Auschwitz was to have
> exterminated four to five million, but that was not so. We had an
> order by the Reichsfuehrer of SS to destroy all materials in numbers
> immediately, and not to preserve any records of the executions that
> were being carried out.
>
> Q: The two and one-half million were people delivered to Auschwitz,
> were they the ones that were executed?
>
> A: Executed and exterminated.
>
> For those who may have missed it I’ll explain what is important to the
> conversation above. Hoess makes it quite clear where this 2.5 million
> figure came from. It came from Eichmann. He hadn’t really thought
> through for himself just yet. The 1.3 million figure would be his
> claim later on in his autobiography.
>
> Mike Curtis
>
> From Ambrose Bierce:
>
> CHRISTIAN, n.
> One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book
admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor.
One who follows the teachings of Christ in so far as they are not inconsistent
with a life of sin.
>
> CONVERSATION, n.
> A fair to the display of the minor mental commodities,
each exhibitor being too intent upon the arrangement of his own
wares to observe those of his neighbor.
>
> Please visit:
>
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Orac who lists himself as a.k.a. David Gorski see bottom of this page is an
important figure on alt.revisionism

He is perhaps the best educated anti-revisionist being a PhD if I am not
mistaken and a young surgeon from Chicago area.

Frequenting recently alt.revisionism I noticed that there are no other so
erudite anti-revisionists and so civil in their responses as him. It is
unfortunate that lately he resorts to on-liners suffused with adjectives and
not facts, but responding factualy on internet takes time and him being I
presume busy, surgeon it has to be excused.

Still I wish to point that Dr. Gorski, paradoxically, is a revisionist at
heart. The word is out since publication of the book by prof Lipstadt that we
Jews and Holocaustians do not get into discources or discussions or rebutals
with revisionists. And virtually every erudite Jew and every academic
Holocaustian toes the party line.

Like the Pope they never lower themself to debate with his/their intellectual
opponents. Only Orac does it … because he is like the Jewish philosopher
Spinoza a revisionist at heart.

My restrained admiration to you Orac.

Polina, the perenial revisionist

Orac wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, “Grazyna Lesniak”
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Orac :
> >
> > >Yes, you definitely don’t want to get into e-mail exchanges with
> > “Polina”
> > >(a.k.a. Pawlikowski). He has no compunction about posting private
> > e-mail
> > >to public Usenet newsgroups. He did it to me once many months ago on
> > >alt.revisionism.
> >
> >
> > To be honest – it doesn’t matter. I don’t change my mind in private ๐Ÿ™‚
> > Anyway – thanks.
>
> Whether or not you change your mind in private is really not the point,
> actually. There’s the tendency to say things in private e-mail that you
> wouldn’t post to Usenet. At least for me that’s true, and it appears to be
> true for many people, hence my warning to you. Pawlikoski didn’t really
> post anything that embarrassed me, but the principle that private e-mail
> should not be posted in a public forum without the author’s permission was
> violated, and that ticked me off.
>
> Also, Pawlikowski is an unrepentant Holocaust denier and anti-Semite, but
> you probably already noticed that.
> > BTW – sorry, off-topic question : do you read my posts in
> > alt.revisionism?
> > I’m not able to read this NG and when I send my posts in this thread my
> > computer “can’t convert alt.rev.”. Just curious.
>
> Yes, I am posting this from alt.revisionism. I do not frequent any of the
> newsgroups on Subject: header line.
> Orac |”A statement of fact cannot be insolent.”–Orac
> a.k.a. |
> David Gorski|”If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
> | inconvenience me with questions?”–Orac again

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Dear Mr. Mc Vay,

Many thanks for your response and help.

In 1994-1996 when I was studying Nuremberg trials Yale International Law
Library did NOT have complete set on their shelves. Perhaps since they
obtained missing volumes. I will certainly refer to Avalon web project!
Thank you for pointing me in this direction.

For about a decade I am trying to find a set in used book stores in NYC area
to no avail. Simultaneously I called about 30 nearby libraries asking if
they still do not have a set in a storage pepared for discarding as “not
circulating” and also met with no sucess an older librarians told me they
discarded it decades ago as dust colleting and shelf occupying volumes.

Apperently, our parents and grandparents still remembering propaganda of the
Frist world war did not take the Nuremberg trials seriously, as most of us
does it today.

One of the librarian told me that the set they had they received free from
the Government Printing Office. Since I do not believe eyewitness testimony
I would not take her statement as accurate.

Many thanks for your work at Nizkor. We and especially I a revisionst find
a plethora of useful material at your site. We both see importance of
putting these material of the internet but differ in their interpretation
only.

Sincerely,

Polina Borowska

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I live in Queens, NY and believe it or not I found the only incomplete
> >but the most
> >complete set, and most accessible to me, on which was one in the
> >basement of the
> >obsucre International Law Library at Yale University in New Haven CT!
>
> Yale Law has a complete set – see their Avalon Project on the web.
> Several other sites on the web are transcribing the transcripts from
> the first trial, including the Avalon and Nizkor Projects. Nizkor will
> be finished within 12 months, barring unforeseen problems.
>
> Complete sets are also available through used book stores and rare
> book dealers – I found a complete British set for sale on the web in
> 1997, and bought it.
>
> It is also available on CDROM, but the copy I purchased is so full of
> errors as to be totally unreliable for anything other than an index
> for the hard copy – that’s the Aristarchus disk, but don’t waste your
> money if you want the transcripts for anything more serious than
> indexing.
>
> Try looking a little more diligently, and you will find it.

> The Nizkor Project: An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
> Search: https://nizkor.org/search.html Broken link
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Dear Mr. K.

I do not understand your question and did not say he lied.

Hoes as you know grossly exaggerated the number of victims of his camp in order to
be in accord with the data of his captors i.e. the 4,000,000 which is now greatly
reduced by the orthodox holocaustian scholars and politicians.

Being the Commandant he had to be The Source of the primary statistics and not
Eichmann and Berlin.

He was simply forced to sign the confessions/testimony by his captors. I think
that much is clear.

In regard to Eichmann, his testimony about the geysers of blood in Lemberg is
foerensically absurd. There is an old Roman legal maxime -saying “once a laiar
always a lair”, unless proven otherwise.

More interesting is why Eichmann “lied” on the witness stand in Jerusalem or in
interogation room.

Eichmnann trial was the first to be ever videotaped, then on 35 mm wide
videorecording tape.

His still photos int the glass booth and snippets from newsreel cameras from his
show trial were reproduced over and over the world over. But the incriminating
videotape was embargoed and locked up for near fortry years.

And then a lapsus lingue occured. The restriction on its showing was apparently
forgotten after 40 years and the ABC TV showed it on the Court TV Channel in April
to commemortate the Month of the Holocaust.

When I watched that program I was struck dumb for two reasons:

1) Eichmann in the glass booth was constantly pumping his tongue against his cheek
in a unmistakenable, incontroveritble Tardive Dyskinesia movement. So far Tardive
Dyskinesia has been described only as the common, permanent and disabling side
effect of Thorazine a potent and the first of the modern psychotropic drugs, the
mainstay, to this day, of modern psychiatry.

Soviet dissidents like the Ukrainian (Red Army) rocketry general Hryhorenko were
given Thorazine to subdue them mentally. Since Eichman was determined well
psychiatrically there was no medical need to give him thorazine.

No beatings or tortures were required like from Hoes to extort ‘appropriate’
testimony. An injection of 20 miligrams of Thorazine was turning Eichmann and
soviet dissidents into submissive zombies.

While under influence of thorazine he did not have to be told what to testify he
was inventing and relaying delusions and confabulations satisfying his captors.

I hope this explains to you my position correctly.

I do welcome civil responses to my e-mail which I will not publish on the
Internet
as inssinuated by ORAC.

Greetings from Polina and God Bless you.

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> https://nizkor.org
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Facsimile of Hoess deposition in English allegedly signed by him and
> >being part of
> >Nuremberg record, available from the USHMM indicates number 2,500,000
> >plus 500,000
> >victims who died due to disease and privation.
> >
> >It is preposterous on the part of Yale to state that Hoess the Commendant of
> >Auschwitz for about three years had to rely on Eichman from Berlin to
> >know how may
> >victims he (Hoess) killed. It was duty of Hoess to report these number
> >to Berlin not
> >vice versa.
>
> Other than your feeling – i.e. that something someone said was/is
> “preposterous” – do you have any evidence that Hoess lied? Do you have
> any evidence that Eichmann lied?
> —
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