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Patr 2, Borowska Polin

FDear Mrs Poniecka,

First of all thank you for not leveling on me a river of verbal abuse as other
Holocaustian do it to me systematically. I do appreciate that you respond with
reasonable but weak (in my estimation) arguments.

Below I will argue if and were you are wrong :

PONIECKA wrote:

> “Polina Borowska” wrote:
>
> I’m combining your two posts into one. Also, perhaps you should just continue
> posting these kinds of questions to alt.revisionism, where there is more
> interest.
>
> *** Probably similar sea of information is about Dachau and searching
> bibliography alone would take a few weeks. ***
>
> There is no easy way. You will have to start reading now, immediately, and
> maybe in a few years you will find your answers. Perhaps you can start with the
> book by Msgr. Grabowski, which can be obtained from the Polish American Journal
> Internet Bookstore.

Because of you civil response I will try to obtain in through a interlibratry loan
and xerocoy it extensively in order to literally poke fun at unavoidable
confabulations in all memoirs. Such confabulations are even to be found in the
first post war Holocaustiana a book written by a Polish Jewess Severyna Szmaglewska
entitled Dymy nad Birkenau. It was obligatory reading when I was in eight grade in
Poland and I believed every word of it like apparently you believe every word of
rev Grabowski.

Szmaglewska completed the book on July 7, 1945 after surviving three years of
tortures at the Death Camp, not mere three days described by some priest cited by
you below. Still instantly after the release her mind was clear like a clarinet to
write a martyrological bestseller witch went in Poland through 52 editions!

Astonishingly, fresh from the camp she described details of the tortures but hardly
anything about smoking chimneys and the sine qua non of the Holocaust the
industrial murder of the Jews by gassings and mass cremations. Instead she nearly
poetically zeroed in on the cruelties of Polish and Jewish Kapos and their Nazi
overseers.

It seems that the tortures were conductive to creative literary activity and not as
expected mental inanition.

> *** One would expect that after the horrors of the camps liberated inmates
> should pass away in a few months after their release, would you not agree?? ***
>
> I most certainly would not. My parents, grandmother and uncle survived, but
> required extensive medical treatments, and suffered ill effects all their
> lives.

I disagree with you. My aunt survived Durchfall dysentery in Ravensbrucke and did
not required treatment. Recovery from dysentery and typhus is none or
spontaneous. In any event there was no significant therapy for these disorders at
that time due to lack of medicines and paliative hospital therapy. There was also
no significant therapy for Tuberculosis in late 1940 as paraminosalicilic acid and
especially the Streptomycin were invented in early 1950s. Tuberculosis was
ramparnt amnong the inmates of the concentration camps. Before advent of
antibiotics and eventually of Isoniacid (I am not sure of spelling of this
medicine, Dr. Gorski a.k.a ORAC from alt.revisionism please correct me).

I remember my Jewish aunt swallowing huge amounts of huge pills called PAS who
apparently as a seven years old was infected with TB in Bierkenau. She is [claims]
one of those fat Jewish babies photographed with Polish nuns between electric wires
on the day of liberation. Later in life she suffered from obesity but she did not
treat that condition and claimed it was caused by medical experiments performed on
her by the Nazis.

Her twin brother also suffered from obesity, became a physician and died of
myocardial infarction about 15 years ago. He did not married but did not look
eunuchoid. Aunt Zosia got married and had one child thus she was not sterilized by
the Nazis. I think their obesity if it was not genetic it was due to the fact that
they were well off: Zosias husband being member of the communist party and junior
college director. Aunt Zosia was a care taker and guardian angel of my sick and
dying mother. Zosia incessantly fed us with holocaustian martyrological stories.
Out of respect I never told her that I became holocaust revisionist. Should I?

>
> I hope this news won’t shock you, but there are survivors of death camps or
> concentration camps who are still alive today. You may have to perform a
> revision of your current thinking.

I find it suspicious that longevity of the death camp survivors !!!

If despite deprivations mental and physical survivors of the concentration camps
live into old age and write books, perhaps we should do away with Headstarts and
dump these redundant (fatherless) AA children (afroamerican) and Latino children
into some concentrationgardens … how do you respond to this conclusion Mrs
Poniecka?? Your data lead to this conclusions.

I state that Nazi concentration camps were deadly due to executions and epidemics
but other prisoners were adequately nourished and not persecuted. Their stories
are just post war politically correct martyrological confabulations.
>
> *** My relatives and acquaintances who survived Siberian camps usually returned
> toothless and prematurely aged and died within years after their release in
> late 1950s.***
>
> I’ve actually met more Siberian survivors than Nazi camp survivors. Some were
> children at the time. Have you heard of the Afrikaner organization?

You must make distinction between Siberian survivors and Gulag survivors. Poles in
Siberia were rarely imprisoned in Gulags populated mostly by Ukrainians, and other
political prisoners.

Our Polish relatives had rough time in Kazachstan but they were not interned behind
the wires and raised marginal crops in strategically important cotton in this hot
and cold, semidessert land.

> *** Did you also notice Mrs Poniecka that there is a virtual absence of
> memoirs of Siberia survivors? ***
>
> That is not true. In fact, more have been appearing in English recently.

Give a dozen of titles and how accurate they can be after half a century. I am
sure you will have a difficult time to find a dozen while I can provide you with a
old printout of close to 10,000 Auschwitz titles. Be honest Mrs Poniecka and
specific. Do not hide behind misleading and obfuscating generalities “more have
been appearing recently.”
>
> *** Not that I believe in survivors or refugees stories.***
>
> You didn’t believe your own relatives, who survived Siberian camps?

It turned out that the stories of my Mother about gassings of Polish priests at
Radogoszcz prison camp near Lodz and burning them alive turned out to be untrue
according to orthodox (mainstream) Polish historians.

Of course I do not and will not believe my relatives stories unless supported by
physical evidence!!!

> *** Without reading Rev Grabowski memoir I classify it as such a confabulatory
> martyrological story. ***
>
> If you have trouble obtaining it, let me know and I’ll contact the editor.

I replied to that above. I will not purchase it in order not to financially support
popular untruths.

> *** Is it possible that Hitler imprisoned 1,800 Polish priest for their Polish
> patriotism and anti-Nazis stand??? ***

Below, you eveaded my question with martyrological confabulations about grotesque
and sensless and fabricated stories.

If these stories were true, they would be known DURIG the WW II. Catholic sources
like massive compilation of records on clergy at Dachau by Domagala/Jacewicz,
Kempner Benedicta Maria, and especially REev. Emil Thoma Die Geistlichen in Dachau,
the 1971 imprint of the Mission Printshop of St Gabriel total of over 1,000 pages
indicate that about 20% of imprisoned priests were released by the Nazis during the
WW II.

Why these released priests did not report these mistreatments to Vatican or better,
did not inform Polish underground which would immediately or prudent delay transmit
them by shortwaves to London and the BBC would broadcast them back to Poland over
the shoert wave “Radio Anna.”

This transmittal of information was uncanny in regard to speed and efficiency when
in was relating facts. When Nazis executed some Poles for hiding Jews or
underground activity in little town of Zgierz near Lodz in the morning the news of
the execution of 92 Zgierz’ans was broadcasted in Polish language in the daily
evening news service! Underground Polish ham operators could compete with the
speed of CNN TV of today and even with the Internet!!!

SS released about 2,000 prisoners from Auschwitz including prof BArtoszewski which
in his memoirs published by Zofia Szczucka during the war he forgot to mention the
homicidal gassings!!!

> But your priests and Bartoszewski after 50 years come back at as with enhanced(?)
> represed memories like Wilkomirski and hundreds of others.

As prof Stein wrote and Patrick Buchanan repeated these are Judaic [holocaustianl]
group phantasies of martyrodom.

And Stein is partially right about the sobriquet ‘Judaic’. Numerous Kosovar
survivors reported of massacre 700 of them massacred by Serbians and dumped into
abandoned minshaft. First page story in the Newspaper of Record and others
[Jew]media (excuse my derogatory) . But when after a few weeks of excavations,
investigators of the Hague Tribunal found nothing it was a back page story.

I believe that it should be in reverse, alleged massacre should be reported on back
page and the retraction on the front page to prevent future misinformation. But
for this idea(s) I am being perenially refered to psychiatrists by my oponents if
not worse.

> If this were absolutely and unequivocally true, it would not explain some of
> the brutal treatment of priests of various nationalities, which ridiculed the
> Christian religion and its symbols, especially the cross. Examples:
>
> At Mauthausen/Gusen: Dr.Johann Gruber, Austrian priest, was killed personally
> after 3 days of torture by the commander of KZ Gusen Camp, SS-Hauptsturmfueher
> Seidler, on Holy Friday at 3 p.m. with the words: “Like your teacher (Jesus),
> you also shall die at the 3rd hour!”.
>
> Also at Gusen, since all religious practices were forbidden, many priests were
> punished or killed when exposed as priests or when betrayed for practicing
> their faith.
>
> At Dachau: On Good Friday in 1943, an SS man whipped a priest with a piece of
> barbed wire, then wrapped it around the priest’s head, shouting, “Did you know
> that Christ died today?”
>
> The Pope himself drew special attention to the fate of Archbishop Julian
> Nowowiejski, who at the age of 83 was beaten, stripped naked and humiliated by
> concentration camp guards for refusing to step on his bishop’s cross.

Pope publicly cried and prayed in His homily in 1979 for the 4,000,000 million
victims of the the mostly Jews at Auschwitz-Birkenau memorial. Now this count is
reduced by Jewish Auschwitz experts to 470,000 (J.c. Pressac 1966)

> According to another reference, “The Fuhrer’s pet philosopher, Alfred
> Rosenberg, drew up a 30-point plan for a “Reich Church”; points 18-20 decreed
> that: “… the Bible be removed from all churches, to be replaced with the one
> true book, Mein Kampf. A sword must be placed on the altar; all crucifixes
> shall be replaced with the only unconquerable symbol, the swastika…”

Please give full citation and its location

> Ms. Borowska, I have no interest in your questions, I have no intention of
> answering your questions, and I am not responsible for answering your
> questions. Good luck in your quest for the truth, but you will have to find it
> yourself. If all else fails, try the Dachau Museum.

We have something in common. I just wrote a letter to Dachau.

Greetings and Szczesc Boze

> PONIECKA

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Subject: Re: Treblinka was cadaveric and smelly but not exterminationist
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British hangman should be in quotation marks since Hess was hanged a few years later
in Poland.

Do not prevaricate and disinforme with it readesrs but give verbatim citation from his
book admitting to toruturing Hoess!!

Do not misrepresent picture of handcuffed Hoess who looked cadaveric on the day of his
transfer to Polish authorities.

Explain why Hoess confessed to exxagerated 3,000,000 victims in his three year regin
at Auschwitz. Did he wish to be hanged three times or four times??

I would like to respect you as an honest exterminationist. If you have no good
contra-argument admit to it. To some questions posed by you we revisionists do not
have (hopefully as yet) good answeres and we admit to it e.g. why 50% of Polish
priests died at Dachau while none of Ukrainian or Lithuanian priests.

Polina

Polina
“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
>
> > “Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:
> >
> > > polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > > <[email protected]>…
>
> > > > who cares about [extorted] testimonies obtained
> > > > during Nuremberg trials?
> > >
> > > Anybody interested in the history of the period.
> > >
> > > But since you claim otherwise, please name a single prosecution
> witness
> > > whose testimony was “extorted”
>
> > The British hangman and the interrogator of R. Hoess claimed in his
> recent book
> > that he was tortured.
>
> First, that is incorrect. The statement was made that when Hoess denied
> his identity he was struck in the face. The interrogator then went on to
> state that to get his statement they got Hoess drunk and kept him drunk.
> This was confirmed by Hoess’ memoirs. Pictures of Hoess exist when he was
> transferred to the American army less than a week after his “bveating.”
> His face is unmarked.
>
> Second, the “British hangman” made no such statement because he does not
> exist. After his testimony at Nuremberg Hoess was, pursuant to the Lonodn
> accord, transferred to Poland the the site of his crimes. He was held in a
> Polish prison, tried by a Polish court, and hanged by a Polish executioner.
>
> Third, Hoess was a not a witness for the presecution. Hoess was a DEFENSE
> witness called by Dr. Kurt Kaufmann who represented Ernst Kaltenbrunner to
> give testimony that was supposed to exonerate his client.
>
> I am amazed that anyone claiming to be a “researcher” on these trial would
> not know these simple facts.
>
> > > or a signle document named in the analysis
> > > of the nazi war against Christianity which was not proved to be
> authentic.
>
> > The above is incomprehensible to me.
>
> Then let me make it simple. Evidence was presented at Nuremberg about the
> persecution of Christian churchmen, both Catholic and Protestant. The
> evidence, as with most of the evidence at Nuremberg, was documentary in
> nature. You have claimed that forged documents were used to prove these
> crimes.
>
> NAME THEM!!!!
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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Dear Yale

I am not keen student of Nuremberg because I consider this as an apparent Salem
Massachusets trial; victors vengence not justice; a or the Farce and show trial on
soviet terms and style.

I did not mentioned forgery not in relation to persecution of Chruches but with Katyn
and soap and Treblinka in mind (2,000,000 victim count in steam houses)

This answeres your barb.

Polina

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Dear Grazyna,

The new title is self explanatory

Szczesc Boze (God Bless you in Polish)

>from Polina

Grazyna Lesniak wrote:

> Errno Mobay
> >[email protected] wrote:
> >
> >>When will the horror end?
> (…)
> >When every Jew–man, woman and child–commits suicide?
>
> I hope you consider what you believe to be a solution by yourself.
> Quicker, better and more justified.
>
> Grazyna

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PONIECKA wrote:

> “Polina Borowska” wrote:
>
> >Below I will argue if and were you are wrong
>
> Why do you keep posting these questions on soc.culture.polish? If and when I
> have time, maybe I’ll respond, but only on the NG alt.revisionism.
>
> PONIECKA

The reasons are simple and multiple

Both the First World War ‘holocaust’ of the ‘six million Jews and 800,000 Jewish
children’ and the WW II “Holocaust’ of 6,000,000 took place in Poland and
Ukraine

Revisionsism of these holocausts is part of Polish life with Dr. Ratajczak from
the University of Opole being the first revisionist (“dissident’) being tried
for this “heresy”, Gallileo times back again and Volodymyr Katylnyckyj, 43,
victim of Polyo, assasinated in Kyiv two years ago for publicizing the Soviet
hoax of the Babi Yar.

I wonder when our Pope will come with a statement condemning revisionists.

Revisonism is a gene which thanks to Pat Buchanan and persistent work and
sacrifices of handfull of individuals commited to the truth and not
martyrological mythology will not go back into bottle.

In 1996, Eli Zborowski the editor of the Martyrs and Resistance the official
publication of the WW II Holocaust survivors called the end of this century as
the “era of revisionism’

Todays revisionists are like the yeasterdays dissidents of the USSR

Polina

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Subject: Re: Human fat soap was brought by Soviets to Nueremberg
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“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

1) Soap can not be made from any “flesh”. It is produced by hydrolysis [break down]
of animal fat into fatty acids and glycerol and addition of sodium hydroxide and
forming from the original esters a fatty acid sodium salt.

No one invented production of saponyfying agent from human or any protein.

2) Studying the two dozens of fat volumes of Nurmemberg trial proceeeings is
trying. Virtrually all of public libraries got rid of them because they were not
used by their readers. None of the 23,000 libraries being part of the OCLC have them
available for interlibrary loans.

I live in Queens, NY and believe it or not I found the only incomplete but the most
complete set, and most accessible to me, on which was one in the basement of the
obsucre International Law Library at Yale University in New Haven CT!

With Dean being a Jew and 70% of student body of being Jewish, this university
removed the set of the Nuremberg trial proceedings from the main ornate Sterling
library literaly to the ‘anus mundi’ or the bowels of its campus. Apparently even
its holocaustian student body is not interested in its Bible! Why?

Instead, the price and the pride of this Jewish university is the Guttenberg Bible
on a permanent display in its atomic blast-safe modernistic and beautiful building
storing ancient manuscripts. Every night the display descends into A-bomb proof
shelter.

Thus, studying of such proceedings is difficult and apriori non-productive in a
court where them most primitive cross-examination of witnesses was abolished and
affidavits (not even testimony) was accepted as proven fact.

Thus C. Porter found out that the “fact” that Nazis exterminated Jews at Auschwitz
with atomic bomb has been accepted as proven. Thus who should care about nuremberg
except for most fanatical Holocaustians?

Going back to your specific accusation about British developing the human-fat-soap
hoax, I think you are wrong or partially wrong.

In the collection of the documents provided by the Soviets at Nuremberg there is a
photo of a white flat enameled tray with cakes of soap which is labled in Cyrylic
script. I do not think British communicate in Cyrylic alfabet.

Am I correct about this photograph??

In any case it is immaterial who delivered the evidence which is now accepted by
orthodox Holocaustian as fake and fabricated.

Polina

> > > > > > who cares about [extorted] testimonies obtained
> > > > > > during Nuremberg trials?
> > > > >
> > > > > Anybody interested in the history of the period.
> > > > >
> > > > > But since you claim otherwise, please name a single
> prosecution
> > > witness
> > > > > whose testimony was “extorted” or a signle document named in the
> > > analysis
> > > > > of the nazi war against Christianity which was not proved to be
> > > authentic.
> > > >
> > > > It is a well known fact that most (if not all) of
> > > > the documents presented at Nuremberg trials
> > > > were fabricated by the NKVD – the Soviet
> > > > political police, dominated almost entirely by
> > > > jews.
> > >
> > > It is not only not a “well known fact” but an utter
> fabrication.
> > >
> > > The Soviets supplied almost no documents whatsoever and the
> majority of
> > > those they used in evidence were supplied to them by the US army.
>
> But the fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> > > > The most notorious examples of those false
> > > > documents are the witness testimonies, the
> > > > forensic report and other evidence produced at
> > > > the trial of ten German officers accused of
> > > > murdering thousands of Polish POWs at the
> > > > Katyn Forest.
>
> > > You are wrong again. The Soviets presented no doucmentary
> evidence of the
> > > Katyn massacre and what evidence they did present was easily proven
> > > fraudulent to the Tribunal which did not credit it.
>
> But the fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> > > I find it strange that the deniers of the Holocaust continually
> use the
> > > fact that the Tribunal was savvy enough to expose frauds as evidence
> that
> > > the Tribunal was incapable of determining what was fraudlulent or not.
>
> But the fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> > > In the eyes of the law, the trial at Nuremberg was fair and
> honest and
> > > those found guilty were given a fair trial. There was no finding by
> the
> > > Tribunal that the Germans committed the Katyn Massacre. In fact the
> > > evidence presented BY THE DEFENSE was ambiguous. No person was,
> therefore,
> > > sentenced to death for the crime.
>
> The fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> > > > This but one example of seemingly endless list
> > > > of false documents used as testimony at
> > > > Nuremberg trials.
> > >
> > > Since you haven’t named one your list is not, as you claim,
> without end
> > > but without beginning.
>
> The fake Pole still has not provided any.
>
> > > The ignorant statements you make presents another good reason
> why the
> > > Nuremberg trials should be studied. The garbage you pass off as “well
> > > known facts” will then be instantly recognized as such.
>
> The fake Pole remains as ignorant as ever.
>
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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Dear Yale,

You are using Madison Ave technique of asdvertising that falsity repeated 1,000
times becomes truth. It works for a long time as the tobacco industry is learning
today.

Indicdentally your evil Adolf Hitler did not some and advocated abstinence from it
because German physicians suspected decades before American physicians that smoking
causes cancer.

Polina

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> > My title is self explanatory
>
> And once more displays your ignorance.
>
> The proof of the experimental attempts to make soap from human flesh was
> brought by the British based on evidence that they developed.
>
> > > > > > who cares about [extorted] testimonies obtained
> > > > > > during Nuremberg trials?
> > > > >
> > > > > Anybody interested in the history of the period.
> > > > >
> > > > > But since you claim otherwise, please name a single
> prosecution
> > > witness
> > > > > whose testimony was “extorted” or a signle document named in the
> > > analysis
> > > > > of the nazi war against Christianity which was not proved to be
> > > authentic.
> > > >
> > > > It is a well known fact that most (if not all) of
> > > > the documents presented at Nuremberg trials
> > > > were fabricated by the NKVD – the Soviet
> > > > political police, dominated almost entirely by
> > > > jews.
> > >
> > > It is not only not a “well known fact” but an utter
> fabrication.
> > >
> > > The Soviets supplied almost no documents whatsoever and the
> majority of
> > > those they used in evidence were supplied to them by the US army.
>
> But the fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> > > > The most notorious examples of those false
> > > > documents are the witness testimonies, the
> > > > forensic report and other evidence produced at
> > > > the trial of ten German officers accused of
> > > > murdering thousands of Polish POWs at the
> > > > Katyn Forest.
>
> > > You are wrong again. The Soviets presented no doucmentary
> evidence of the
> > > Katyn massacre and what evidence they did present was easily proven
> > > fraudulent to the Tribunal which did not credit it.
>
> But the fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> > > I find it strange that the deniers of the Holocaust continually
> use the
> > > fact that the Tribunal was savvy enough to expose frauds as evidence
> that
> > > the Tribunal was incapable of determining what was fraudlulent or not.
>
> But the fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> > > In the eyes of the law, the trial at Nuremberg was fair and
> honest and
> > > those found guilty were given a fair trial. There was no finding by
> the
> > > Tribunal that the Germans committed the Katyn Massacre. In fact the
> > > evidence presented BY THE DEFENSE was ambiguous. No person was,
> therefore,
> > > sentenced to death for the crime.
>
> The fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> > > > This but one example of seemingly endless list
> > > > of false documents used as testimony at
> > > > Nuremberg trials.
> > >
> > > Since you haven’t named one your list is not, as you claim,
> without end
> > > but without beginning.
>
> The fake Pole still has not provided any.
>
> > > The ignorant statements you make presents another good reason
> why the
> > > Nuremberg trials should be studied. The garbage you pass off as “well
> > > known facts” will then be instantly recognized as such.
>
> The fake Pole remains as ignorant as ever.

> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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Dear Grazyna,

You also do not know that adjectives belong to poetry and not science.

Remember Nicholas Copernicus, the greatest revisionist of all times

Polina

Grazyna Lesniak wrote:

> Yale F.Edeiken
> >polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> (…)
> > Now go a read about the Nuremberg trials and come back with something
> >other than your foot-stamping idiocy.
>
> I didn’t know the phrase “foot-stamping idiocy”.
> If that’s what you think about the author when you read “polina’ s”
> postings – I understand it perfectly now. Thanks 🙂
>
> Grazyna

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It is extememly difficult to discuss matters with Yale.

Facsimile of Hoess deposition in English allegedly signed by him and being part of
Nuremberg record, available from the USHMM indicates number 2,500,000 plus 500,000
victims who died due to disease and privation.

It is preposterous on the part of Yale to state that Hoess the Commendant of
Auschwitz for about three years had to rely on Eichman from Berlin to know how may
victims he (Hoess) killed. It was duty of Hoess to report these number to Berlin not
vice versa.
Polina

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> > British hangman should be in quotation marks since Hess was hanged a few
> years later
> > in Poland.
>
> But you stated “British hangman.” Apparently you were unaware of that
> basic fact.
>
> > Do not prevaricate and disinforme with it readesrs but give verbatim
> citation from his
> > book admitting to toruturing Hoess!!
>
> Which is a lie. You are asserting it and claiming you rely on it. You
> produce any such description.
>
> > Do not misrepresent picture of handcuffed Hoess who looked cadaveric on
> the day of his
> > transfer to Polish authorities.
>
> There were no marks on his face. Clarke claimed he hit Hoess in the face.
> There are no marks on his face.
>
> > Explain why Hoess confessed to exxagerated 3,000,000 victims in his three
> year regin
> > at Auschwitz. Did he wish to be hanged three times or four times??
>
> He didn’t. You are clearly misrepresenting his statement. He gave a
> figure of 2,500,000 for a period of time including when he was NOT
> commander of Auschwitz and stated specifically that it was an estimate
> based on what Eichmann told him. Both his testimony at Nuremberg and in
> his memoirs was 1,500,000 for a period including the time when he was not
> at Auschwitz.
>
> > I would like to respect you as an honest exterminationist.
>
> But you will tell these known lies continually.
>
> > If you have no good
> > contra-argument admit to it.
>
> The best argument is that you do not what you are talking about.
>
> You continually make mistakes about the most basic of facts.
>
> > To some questions posed by you we revisionists do not
> > have (hopefully as yet) good answeres and we admit to it e.g. why 50% of
> Polish
> > priests died at Dachau while none of Ukrainian or Lithuanian priests.
>
> That is simply not true. This is another example of the type of
> deliberate misrepresentations in which you routinely engage.
> > > > The British hangman and the interrogator of R. Hoess claimed in his
> > > recent book
> > > > that he was tortured.
> > >
> > > First, that is incorrect. The statement was made that when
> Hoess denied
> > > his identity he was struck in the face. The interrogator then went on
> to
> > > state that to get his statement they got Hoess drunk and kept him
> drunk.
> > > This was confirmed by Hoess’ memoirs. Pictures of Hoess exist when he
> was
> > > transferred to the American army less than a week after his “bveating.”
> > > His face is unmarked.
> > >
> > > Second, the “British hangman” made no such statement because he
> does not
> > > exist. After his testimony at Nuremberg Hoess was, pursuant to the
> Lonodn
> > > accord, transferred to Poland the the site of his crimes. He was held
> in a
> > > Polish prison, tried by a Polish court, and hanged by a Polish
> executioner.
> > >
> > > Third, Hoess was a not a witness for the presecution. Hoess
> was a DEFENSE
> > > witness called by Dr. Kurt Kaufmann who represented Ernst Kaltenbrunner
> to
> > > give testimony that was supposed to exonerate his client.
> > >
> > > I am amazed that anyone claiming to be a “researcher” on these
> trial would
> > > not know these simple facts.

> > > Then let me make it simple. Evidence was presented at
> Nuremberg about the
> > > persecution of Christian churchmen, both Catholic and Protestant. The
> > > evidence, as with most of the evidence at Nuremberg, was documentary in
> > > nature. You have claimed that forged documents were used to prove
> these
> > > crimes.
> > >
> > > NAME THEM!!!!
>
> And he still hasn’t.
>
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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Drogi Panie Jakubie i ORAC rzekomy Polak ktory nigdy nic nie pisze na scp

Otoz ja czasem wam posylam wiadomosci na elepoczte dlatego ze klawisze
“reply” i “reply all” or sa obok siebie. Starosc powoduje niezgrabnosc
palcy i nie ma nic wspolnego z uczuciami.

jacob wrote:

> Grazyna Lesniak wrote in message <[email protected]>…
> >
> >polin
> >>Dear Grazyna,
> >>
> >>The new title is self explanatory
> >
> >”Good and tough” ? Oh, no, “dear Polina”.
> >Realistic only. Everone should try by himself what he believes to be
> >the best solution for others.
> >
> >BTW, how do you, revisionists, revision your own absurd theses?

> >>Szczesc Boze (God Bless you in Polish)

> >Thanks but I’m an atheist.
> >
> >Grazyna
> >
> >PS. Please, don’t send your responses to my private address – I read
> >this NG and discuss just here.
>
> To nie tylko mnie ta Polin uszczesliwila prywatna poczta?
> A ja myslalem, ze tylko mnie ta Polin darzy taka wielka sympatia.
>
> jakub
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Dear Daniel,

Where do you see proof of mass murder in the document you cite below??

To me this document indicates that unstipulated number of Jews was
improperly interred at an impromptu, transit (or de-golding) camp in
Treblinka.

Treblinka was established within four weeks on July 22, 1942. Probably
close to 1,000,000 of Polish and European Jews passed through this 200
meters by 300 meters camp which essentially closed on August 2 1943, and
was dismantled by November 1943.

To bury 1,000,000 individuals, the mass grave would have to be 100,000
square meters large, while the camp was only 60,000 sq m.

I think that there could be only one proof that 1,000,000 Jews were
killed at Treblinka. It would have to come from an archeological and
forensic exploration of the site of the camp indicating the size of the
mass grave and and perhaps showing the presence of shards of the red
ceramic tile which allegedly lined the gas chambers.

However such examination prompted by the Central Committee of the Polish
Jews in fall of 1945 and conducted by a Jewish magistrate Judge
Lukaszkiewicz failed to provide such a proof or an evidence.

Wartime aerial photos show that the mass grave at the Treblinka II camp
for the Jews was 100% smaller than the mass graves at the Treblinka I
camp for the Poles and 10% smaller than the mass graves at the Katyn
Forest.

Treblinka II was just a de-golding camp in which Jews who died in transit
on the trains were carelessly burried in post-glacial sand dune, 107
meters away from the flood plain of the River Bug which supplied
drinking water to the large German populations along Vistula, Danzing
(Gdansk) included.

Little wonder that in Spring 1943, the Nazi Warsaw District Health
Department ordered exhumation at Treblinka II.

It is a fiction that the Nazis tried to cover their crime via
cremations. They did not bother to exhume mass graves at the Treblinka
I, twice as large as at the Treblinka II! The Treblinka I mass graves
were about one mile away from the flood plain of the river Bug.

It is prudent to assume that each rail transport of Jews traveled on
average three days. Some of the Jews were brought to Treblinka from as
far as Greece travveled for over a week. The 4,000 Jews buried at the
Treblinka II camp were those who died in transit.

In 1942-43, young and strong Jews were left to work in the ghettos
labor camps providing for the Whermacht. Those who were unfit to such
work, many sick and old, were transported to Treblinka. 1,000,000 such
Jews arrived at Treblinka II in 10,000 freight cars. Thus it is prudent
to assume that there was a cadaver or a person in coma in every second
of such cattle cars i.e. 2,500 dead and 2,500 preagonal individuals.

Samuel Willenberg in his 1992 book published in Israel (Surviving
Treblinka) indicates that at that camp Jewish doctors-prisoners were
doing euthanasia at the sick (pre-agonal) arrivals. Thus littel wonder
that the war time air photos show mass grave for about 4,000 individuals.

Sincerly,

Polina Borowska
memer of the Polish Historical Society.

Daniel Keren wrote:

> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/aktion.reinhard/treblinka/images/ Broken link
> ostrow1.jpg,ostrow2.jpg
>
> War Diary No. 1, daily report from Military Commander in the
> Generalgouvernement (Nazi-occupied Poland). Cover page of the diary
> is in ostrow1.jpg. Report from October 24, 1942 (see ostrow2.jpg),
> contains the following text:
>
> “Supreme Command Ostrow informs that the Jews in Treblinka are not
> adequately buried and that, as a result, an unbearable body stench
> befouls the air.”
>
> This document is not only clear proof that Treblinka was functioning
> as an extermination center at that date, but it also reinforces the
> testimonies of the survivors and the SS-staff, to the affect that
> the corpses of the victims were first buried and later burned, in an
> attempt to remove criminal traces, and for the reason given in the
> above report.
>
> I am grateful to Dr. Ulrich Roessler for pointing out this
> document, to Gord McFee for the translation, and to the Militararchiv
> in Freiburg for sending me a copy.
>
> -Danny Keren.

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jerzy wk wrote:

> Well, well, I thought that nothing is going to surprise me…
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/daily/oct99/train15.htm
>
> Jerzy WK

Above article is about “discovery” that American military was stealing
Jewish gold paintigs carpets and silver.

For some reason humanity has propensity for theft, including Germans.

However, when German soldiers engaged in looting, Germans engaged in
prosecuting them DURING the WW II.

1) for example, in late 1941 Dr Lach the SS Fuhrer of the district of
Galicia and brother of wife of Dr Hans Frank the Governor of General
Governement and personal atty of A. Hitler was cought in appropriating
of carpets, paintings and antique furniture of deported Lemberg’s
(Lwow’s) Jews, he was immediately replaced by Dr Wachter, tried by the
SS Court in Breslau (Wroclaw) and imprisoned, while H. Frank was
handing in resignations because of family ties.

After 1945 Dr. Lach was again tried at Nuremberg and imprisoned again,
but none of stealing Americans (or British soldiers).

2)) In 1944 the Commendant of Majdanek and later Bergen Belsen camps, SS
major, Carl Koch was cought by the SS judiciary for embrezelment of
inmates property> Koch was arested in 1944 and executed on February 9,
1945 when the III Reich was about to collapse.

3) iN 1943, Some Jews at the camp in Poniatowa complained to camps SS
Administration that an Ukrainian and Polish Trawniki Guards stole from
them 150 marks an equivalent of about $7,000.00 today. About two years
ago at the Archives of the Main Commission for the Nazi Crimes at WArsaw
I read the file of the proceedings against these guards who were
punished with three weeks of solitary confinment and transfer to
Shtuthoff camp.

I invite any exterminationist to show me similar examples of prosecution
of American or British soldiers for similar transgressions.

Polina Borowska

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> Before you buy.

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Dear Mr Morris,

Most of the Holocaust revisionists are eager students, even when the well
documented knowledge comes from the Holocaustians or exterminationists.

Thanks for your posting.

I knew nothing about the works of prof J. Robert Lilly.

1) But while reading his article on the subject of executions of American
soldiers I was under the impression that they were NOT military secrets but
hardly any one except Lilly took interest in them. Please correct me if I
misread Lilly’s article

2) All of the 18 American soldiers were executed by the military for rape,
murder or murder following rape while these soldiers were stationed in
Britain and were not exposed to enemy alliens, such as those imprisoned in
concentration camps.

Germans executed their own for mistreating the Jews!

Did Americans or Allies executed or punished any of their soldiers for
mistreating Germans or Italians or Japaneese?

3) It is of interest but probably statistically insignificant that 79% of
executed American soldiers were Negro or Latinos. Or perhaps it is
sociologically and politically significant?

With revisionist thanks to an angry exterminationist

remains yours, Polina Borowska

John Morris wrote:

> In <[email protected]> in alt.revisionism, on Sat, 16 Oct
> 1999 19:38:50 -0400, Joseph Pawlikowski pretending to be a woman named
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >jerzy wk wrote:
>
> >> Well, well, I thought that nothing is going to surprise me…
>
> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/daily/oct99/train15.htm
>
> [snip]
>
> >However, when German soldiers engaged in looting, Germans engaged in
> >prosecuting them DURING the WW II.
>
> [snip]
>
> >I invite any exterminationist to show me similar examples of prosecution
> >of American or British soldiers for similar transgressions.
>
> The problem is one of sources. German military justice records were
> not classified as military secrets by the Allies. Yet it is standard
> procedure for American military trials, for instance, to be classified
> as military secrets. It is only now that studies are being conducted
> such as J. Robert Lilly’s study of 18 select cases of US military
> executions of American soldiers in Britain during World War II.
>
> But one doesn’t expect Padlikowski to look for the facts. He is too
> busy playing apologist for the Nazis.
>
> —
> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
> —
> “Nizkooks are not members of homosapiens.
> They are members of Judeosapiens.” Joe Bellinger, May 17, 1999.

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Grazyna Lesniak wrote:

> polin
>
> (…)
> >Germans executed their own for mistreating the Jews!
> (…)
>
> Dear Polin ;
>
> I’m always ready to revision my knowledge and opinions.
> Let me follow your magnificent way of thinking:
>
> -isn’t exterminating the nation a “mistreating”
> -or did Germans execute all nazis ?
>
> just curious
>
> Grazyna

NPJC,

Dear Grazyna:

While it is obvious to revisionists that the Endlosung or Final Solution
was Nazi euphemism for total expropriation of European Jews in revenge
for boycotting of the German foreign trade since March 24, 1933
(resulting in its reduction to 61% according to The Jewish Chronicle of
London of February 5, 1939) –

the matter of industrial killing of Jews is hotly disputed and still
remains to be proven by archeology of the mass graves, forensic and
toxicological data on Zyclon B and Diesel exhaust and wartime and post
war high resolution aerial photography.

Your “Epoka Piecow” and “Epoka Zaglady” ( Era of Ovens and Era of
Annihilation in Polish) is willting in the same manner as the First
World War ‘holocaust’ of 6,000,000 Jews and 800,000 Jewish children
wilted into oblivion. This First WW ‘holocaust’ widely publicized then
by the politicians in the USA, allegedly took place in Poland and
Ukraine and took place due to the “lust for the Jewish blood.”

I hope I satisfied your curiosity.

Since you are fluent in English please translate it for your collegues
at the Silesian Institute of Technology.

Greetings from Polina and Szczesc Boze.
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Dear Polin ;
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 -or did Germans execute all nazis ?
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NPJC,
Dear Grazyna:
While it is obvious to revisionists that the Endlosung or Final Solution
was Nazi euphemism for total expropriation of European Jews in revenge
for boycotting of the German foreign trade since March 24, 1933 (resulting
in its reduction to 61% according to The Jewish Chronicle of London
of February 5, 1939) –
the matter of industrial killing of Jews is hotly disputed and still
remains to be proven by archeology of the mass graves, forensic and toxicological
data on Zyclon B and Diesel exhaust and wartime and post war high resolution
aerial photography.
Your “Epoka Piecow” and  “Epoka Zaglady” ( Era of Ovens and 
Era of Annihilation in Polish)  is willting in the same manner as
the First World War ‘holocaust’ of 6,000,000 Jews and 800,000 Jewish children
wilted into oblivion.  This First WW ‘holocaust’ widely publicized
then by the politicians in the USA, allegedly took place in Poland and
Ukraine and took place due to the “lust for the Jewish blood.”
I hope I satisfied your curiosity.
Since you are fluent in English please translate it for your collegues
at the Silesian Institute of Technology.
Greetings from Polina and Szczesc Boze.
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Dear Mr Mc Vay,

In the “[present] era of revisionism” (term in editorial in Martyrs and
Resistance Dec. 1996) who cares about [extorted] testimonies obtained
during Nuremberg trials? … I guess only naive ones or fanatical
holocaustians.

I will bet on January 27, 1939 The New York Times which explicitly
acknowledged that from among the western leaders Hitler was the only one
who paid salaries to clergymen of all denominations, while some of them the
politically active he interned or imprisoned at Dachau.

In 1940, he put behind barbed wires about 1,400 Polish Catholic priests
while the others, explicitly less patriotic drew the Nazi salaries, and
printed as usual their religous literature on cellulose, a rationed and
strategically important material ( used in production of nitrocellulose
[smokeless powder and bandages for wounded soldiers]).

While Hitler was supportive of apolitical religion and Polish and Ukrainian
priests, unimpeeded, printed their religeous literature, another dictator
the CPSU Comm Party of the USSR ) abolished virtually all religeous
printing in Poland until 1956 and abolished the church (Catholic) of
Western Ukraine and imprisoned all of its bishops.

Why do you drone and exaggerate about Adolf Hitler and remain silent about
Uncle Stalin. Do you have any love for the latter because he was
protective of the Communist Jews and played Hatikva on the Moscow Radio and
Solomon Lozovsky was his chief of Propaganda?

And, while even during the war Hitler was paying clergy’s salaries,
Roosevelt and Churchill have never done it in the peace time.

Greetings from Polina Borowska

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> Perhaps Mr. Vangel would like to comment on the Nazi campaign to
> destroy Christianity within areas under their control, as outlined
> during the first Nuremberg Tribunal?
>
> (https://nizkor.org/hweb/imt/nca/nca-01/nca-01-07-means-30.html) Broken link
>
> Archive/File: imt/nca/nca-01/nca-01-07-means-02
> Last-Modified: 1996/06/06
>
> [Page 263]
>
> Chapter VII
>
> MEANS USED BY THE NAZI CONSPIRATORS IN GAINING
> CONTROL OF THE GERMAN STATE
>
> 6. SUPPRESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES
>
> A. The Nazi conspirators sought to subvert the influence of
> the churches over the people of Germany.
>
> (1) They sought to eliminate the Christian Churches in
> Germany.
>
> (a) Statements of this aim. Martin Bormann stated in a
> secret decree of the Party Chancellery signed by him and
> distributed to all Gauleiters 7 June 1941:
>
> “Our National Socialist ideology is far loftier than
> the con-
>
> [Page 264]
>
> cepts of Christianity, which in their essential points
> have been taken over from
> Jewry ***. A differentiation between the various
> Christian confessions is not to be made here *** the
> Evangelical Church is just as inimical to us as the
> Catholic Church. *** All influences which might
> impair or damage the leadership of the people exercised
> by the
> Fuehrer with the help of the NSDAP must be eliminated.
> More and more the people must be separated from the
> churches and their organs the pastors. *** Just as
> the deleterious influences of astrologers, seers and
> other fakers are eliminated and suppressed by the
> State, so must the possibility of church influence also
> be totally removed. *** Not until this has happened,
> does the state leadership have influence on
> the individual citizens. Not until then are the people
> and Reich secure in their existence for all time.” (D-
> 75)
>
> Hans Kerrl, Reich Minister for Church Affairs, in a letter
> dated 6 September 1939 to a Herr Stapel, which indicated
> that it would be brought to the attention of the
> Confidential Council and of the defendant Hess, made the
> following statements:
>
> “The Fuehrer considers his efforts to bring the
> Evangelical Church to reason, unsuccessful and the
> Evangelical Church with respect to its condition
> rightfully a useless pile of sects. As you emphasize
> the Party has previously carried on not only a fight
> against the political element of the Christianity of
> the Church, but also a fight against
> membership of Party Members in a Christian confession.
> ***
>
> “The Catholic Church will and must, according to the
> law under which it is set up, remain a thorn in the
> flesh of a Racial State ***.” (129-PS)
>
> Gauleiter Florian, in a letter dated 23 September 1940 to
> the defendant Hess, stated:
>
> “The churches with their Christianity are the danger
> against which to fight is absolutely necessary.” (064-
> PS)
>
> Regierungsrat Roth, in a lecture 22 September 1941, to a
> group of Security Police, in the Reich Main Security Office
> (RSHA) concluded his address on Security Police (Sipo)
> measures for combatting church politics and sects with the
> following remarks:
>
> “The immediate aim: the church must not regain one inch
> of the ground it has lost. The ultimate aim:
> Destruction of the Confessional Churches to be brought
> about by the collection of all material obtained
> through the intelligence service (Nachrihtendienst)
> activities which will at a given time be produced as
> evidence for the charge of treasonable activities
> during the German fight for existence.” (1815-PS)
>
> The Party Organization Book states:
>
> “Bravery is valued by the SS man as the highest virtue
> of men in a struggle for his ideology.
>
> [Page 265]

> “He openly and unrelentingly fights the most dangerous
> enemies of the State; Jews, Free Masons, Jesuits, and
> political clergymen.
>
> “However, he recruits and convinces the weak and
> inconstant by his example, who have not been able to
> bring themselves to the National Socialistic ideology.”
> (1855-PS)
>
> (b) The Nazi conspirators promoted beliefs and practices
> incompatible with Christian teachings. The 24th point of the
> Program of the NSDAP, unchanged since its adoption in 1920,
> is as follows:
>
> “We demand freedom of religion for all religious
> denominations within the state so long as they do not
> endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of
> the germanic race. The Party as such advocates the
> standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding
> itself confessionally to any one denomination. It
> combats the Jewish materialistic spirit within and
> around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of
> our nation can only succeed from within on the
> framework: common utility precedes individual utility.”
> (1708-PS)
>
> In official correspondence with the defendant Rosenberg in
> 1040, Bormann stated:
>
> “Christian religion and National Socialist doctrines
> are not compatible. *** The churches cannot be
> subjugated through compromise, only through a new
> philosophy as prophesied in osenberg’s works.”
>
> He then proposed creation of a National Socialist Catechism
> to provide a “moral foundation” for a National Socialist
> religion which is gradually to supplant the Christian
> churches. He stated the matter was so important it should be
> discussed with members of the Reich Cabinet as soon as
> possible and requested Rosenberg’s opinion before the
> meeting. (098-PS)
>
> In a secret decree of the Party Chancellery, signed by
> Bormann and distributed to all Gauleiters on 7 June 1941,
> the following statements appeared:
>
> “When we National Socialists speak of a belief in God,
> we do not understand by God, like naive Christians and
> their spiritual opportunists, a human-type being, who
> sits around somewhere in the sphere ***. The force of
> natural law, with which all these
> innumerable planets move in the universe, we call the
> Almighty, or God. The claim that this world force ***
> can be influenced by so-called prayers or other
> astonishing things is based upon a proper dose of
> naivete or on a business shamelessness.
> [Page 265]
> “As opposed to that we National Socialists impose on
> ourselves the demand to live naturally as much as
> possible, i.e., biologically. The more accurately we
> recognize and observe the laws of nature and of life,
> the more we adhere to them, so much the more do we
> conform to the will of the Almighty. The more insight
> we have into the will of the
> Almighty, the greater will be our successes.” (D-75)
>
> Rosenberg in his book “The Myth of the 20th Century”
> advocated a new National Socialist faith or religion to
> replace the Christian confessions in Germany. He stated that
> the Catholic and Protestant churches represent “negative
> Christianity” and do not correspond to the soul of the
> “Nordic racially determined peoples”; that a German
> religious movement would have to declare that the idea of
> neighborly love is unconditionally subordinated to national
> honor; that national
> honor is the highest human value and does not admit of any
> equal valued force such as Christian love. He predicted:
>
> “A German religion will, bit by bit, present in the
> churches transferred to it, in place of the crucifixion
> the spirit of fire the heroicin the highest sense.”
> (2349-PS)
>
> The Reich Labor Service (Reichsarbeitsdienst), a National
> Socialist youth organization, was prohibited from
> participating in religious celebrations of any kind, and its
> members were instructed to attend only the parts of such
> ceremonies as weddings and funerals which took
> place before or after the church celebration. (107-PS)
>
> The Nazi conspirators considered religious literature
> undesirable for the Wehrmacht. National Socialist
> publications were prepared for the Wehrmacht for the
> expressed purpose of replacing and counteracting the
> influence of religious literature disseminated to the
> troops. (101-PS; 100-PS; 064-PS)
>
> The Nazi conspirators through Rosenberg’s Office for
> Supervision of the Ideological Training and Education of the
> NSDAP and the Office of the Deputy of the Fuehrer “induced”
> the substitution of National Socialist mottoes and services
> for religious prayers and services in the schools of
> Germany. (070-PS)
>
> On 14 July 1939, Bormann, as Deputy of the Fuehrer, issued a
> Party regulation excluding clergymen, persons closely
> connected with the church, and Theology students from
> membership in the Party. It was further decreed that in the
> future Party Members who entered the clergy
> or turned to the study of Theology must leave the Party.
> (840-PS)
>
> (c) The Nazi conspirators persecuted priests, clergy and
> members of monastic orders. The priests and clergy of
> Germany were
>
> [Page 267]
>
> subjected by the police to systematic espionage into their
> daily lives. The Nazi conspirators through the Chief of the
> Reich Main Security Office (RSHA) maintained a special
> branch of the Security Police and Security Service (Sipo/SD)
> whose duties were to investigate the churches and maintain
> constant surveillance upon the public and private lives of
> the clergy. (1815-PS)
>
> At a conference of these police “church specialists” called
> by Heydrich, who was then SS Gruppenfuehrer and Chief of the
> Reich Main Security Office (RSHA), in Berlin, 23 September 1941, SS
> Sturmbannfueherer Hartl, acting for Heydrich, stated that
> the greatest importance was to
> be attached to church political activity. The intelligence
> network in this field, he continued, was to be fostered with
> the greatest of care and enlarged with the recruitment of
> informants, particular value being attached to contacts with
> church circles. He closed his lecture with the following
> words:
>
> “Each of you must go to work with your whole heart and
> a true fanaticism. Should a mistake or two be made in
> the execution of this work, this should in no way
> discourage you, since mistakes are made everywhere. The
> main thing is that the enemy should be constantly
> tackled with determination, will, and effective
> initiative.” (1815-PS)
>
> In a letter of 22 October 1941, Heydrich, as Chief of the
> Reich Main Security Office (RSHA) issued detailed
> instructions to all State Police Offices outlining the
> organization of the Catholic Church and directing close
> surveillance of the activities, writings, and reports of the
> Catholic clergy in Germany. In this connection he directed:
>
> “Reports are also to be submitted on those Theological
> students destined for Papal Institutes, and Priests
> returning from such institutes to Germany. Should the
> opportunity arise of placing someone for intelligence
> (Nachrichtendienst) purposes in one of these
> Institutes, in the guise of a Theological student, we
> should receive immediate notification.” (1815-PS)
>
> Priests and other members of the clergy were arrested,
> fined, imprisoned, and otherwise punished by executive
> measures of the police without judicial process. In his
> lecture before a conference at the Reich Main Security
> Office (RSHA) in Berlin, for “church specialists,” of the
> Security Police, 22 November 1941, Regierungsrat Roth stated (1815-
> PS):
>
> “It has been demonstrated that it is impracticable to
> deal with political offenses (malicious) under normal
> legal procedure. Owing to the lack of political
> perception which still
>
> [Page 268]
>
> prevails among the legal authorities, suspension of
> this procedure must be reckoned with. The so-called
> “Agitator Priests” must therefore be dealt with in
> future by Stapo measures, and, if the occasion arises,
> be removed to a Concentration Camp, if agreed upon by
> the RSHA.
>
> “The necessary executive measures are to be decided
> upon according to local conditions, the status of the
> person accused, and the seriousness of the caseas
> follows:
>
>
> 1. Warning
> 2. Fine
> 3. Forbidden to preach
> 4. Forbidden to remain in parish
> 5. Forbidden all activity as a priest
> 6. Short-term arrest
> 7. Protective custody.”
>
> Members of monastic orders were forced by the seizure and
> confiscation of their properties to give up their
> established place of abode and seek homes elsewhere (R-101-
> A; R-101-D). A secret order of the SS Economic
> Administration Office to all Concentration Camp Commanders,
> dated 21 April 1942, concerning labor mobilization of
> clergy, reveals that clergymen were at that time, and had
> previously been, incarcerated in Concentration Camps. (1164-
> PS)
>
> On the death of von Hindenburg, the Reich Government ordered
> the ringing of all church bells on 2 August 1934, 3 August
> 1934 and 4 August 1934. In Bavaria, there were many
> instances of failure to comply with this order. The Bavarian
> police submitted a report outlining the above situation and
> stating that in three cases the taking into protective
> custody of recalcitrant clergy could not be avoided.
>
> “The Parish priest, Father Johann Quinger of
> Altenkunstadt BA., Lichtenfels. He was taken into
> protective custody on 3 August on the express order of
> the State Ministry of the Interior, because he
> assaulted SA leaders and SA men who were ringing the
> bells against his wishes. He was released from custody
> on 10 August 1934.
>
> “The Parish priest, Father Ludwig Obholzer of
> Kiefersfelden, BA Rosenheim. For his personal safety he
> was in police custody from 2400 hours on the 2 August
> 1934, till 1000 hours on 3 August 1934. On 5 August
> 1934, he said sarcastically in his sermon, referring to
> the SA men who had carried out the ringing of the
> funeral knell on their own account, ‘Lord forgive them,
> for they know not what they do’ ! “The Parish priest,
> Father Johann Nepomuk Kleber of Wie-
>
> [Page 269]
>
> felsdorf, BA Burglengenfeld, refused to ring the church
> bells on the 2nd and 3rd. He is badly tainted
> politically and had to be taken into protective custody
> from the 5th to the 8th of August 34 in the interests
> of his own safety.” (1521-PS)
>
> After Hitler’s rise to power, Bishop Sproll of Rottenburg
> delivered a series of sermons regarded by the Nazis as
> damaging, and on 10 April 1938 he refrained from voting in
> the plebiscite. For this, the Reich Governor of Wuertemberg
> declared he would no longer regard Bishop Sproll as head of
> the Diocese of Rottenburg; made an official request that he
> leave the Gau; and declared he would see to it that all
> personal and official intercourse between the Bishop and the
> State and
> Party offices as well as the Armed Forces would be denied
> (849-PS). For his alleged failure to vote in the plebiscite,
> of 10 April 1938, the Party caused three demonstrations to
> be staged against the Bishop and his household in
> Rottenburg. The third demonstration was described as
> follows in a teletype message from Gestapo Office Stuttgart
> to Gestapo Office Berlin:
>
> “The Party on 23 July 1938 from 2100 on carried out the
> third demonstration against Bishop Sproll. Participants
> about 2,500-3,000 were brought in from outside by bus,
> etc. The Rottenburg populace again did not participate
> in the demonstration. The town took rather a hostile
> attitude to the demonstrations. The action got
> completely out of hand of the Party Member responsible
> for it. The demonstrators stormed the palace, beat in
> the gates and doors. About 150 to 200 people forced
> their way into the palace, searched the rooms, threw
> files out of the windows and rummaged through the beds
> in the rooms of the palace. One bed was ignited. Before
> the fire got to the other objects of equipment in the –
> rooms and the palace, the flaming bed could be thrown
> from the window and the fire extinguished. The Bishop
> was with Archbishop Groeber of Freiburg and the ladies
> and gentlemen of his menage in the chapel at prayer.
> About 25 to 30 people pressed into this chapel and
> molested those present. Bishop Groeber was taken for
> Bishop Sproll. He was grabbed by the robe and dragged
> back and forth. Finally the intruders realized that
> Bishop Groeber is not the one they are seeking. They
> could then be persuaded to leave the building. After
> the evacuation of the palace by the demonstrators I had
> an interview with Archbishop Groeber, who left
> Rottenburg in the night. Groeber wants to turn to the
> Fuehrer and Reich Minister of the Interior Dr. Frick
> anew. On the course of the action, the damage done as
> well as the homage
>
> [Page 270]
>
> of the Rottenburg populace beginning today for the
> Bishop I shall immediately hand in a full report, after
> I am in the act of suppressing counter mass meetings.”
> (848-PS)
>
> Reich Minister for Church Affairs Kerrl and other Party
> officials alleged that these demonstrations were
> spontaneously staged by indignant citizens of Rottenburg and
> caused representations to be made to the Holy See in an
> effort to effect the Bishop’s removal from office. (89-PS)
>
> On or about 3 December 1941, a copy of a secret decree of
> the Party Chancellery on the subject of Relationship of
> National Socialism to Christianity was found by the Security
> Police in the possession of Protestant Priest Eichholz at
> Aix-la-Chapelle. For this he was arrested and held for
> questioning for an unknown period of time. (D-75)
>
> (d) The Nazi conspirators confiscated church property. On 20
> January 1938, the Gestapo District Office at Munich issued a
> decree dissolving the Guild of the Virgin Mary of the
> Bavarian Diocese, together with its branches and
> associations. The decree also stated:
>
> “The property belonging to the dissolved Guild is to be
> confiscated by the police. Not only is property in cash
> to be confiscated, but also any stock on hand and their
> objects of value. All further activity is forbidden the
> dissolved Guilds, particularly the foundation of any
> organization intended as a successor or as a cover.
> Incorporation as a body into other women’s societies is
> also to be looked on as a forbidden continuation of
> activity. Infringements against the above prohibition
> will be punished according to par. 4 of the order of 28
> February 1933.”
>
> The reasons for the dissolution and confiscation were that
> the Guild of the Virgin Mary had occupied itself for years
> “to a most far-reaching degree” with arrangements of a
> “worldly and popular sporting character” such as community
> games and “social evenings”; and further that the
> president of the society supplied the members with
> “seditious materials” which served for “seditious
> discussions”; and that the members of the Guild were trained
> and mobilized for “political and seditious tasks.” (1481-
> PS)
>
> In a lecture delivered to a conference of police
> investigators of Church Affairs assembled in the lecture
> hall of the Reich Main Security Office (RSHA) in Berlin, 22
> September 1941, Regiersrungsrat Roth stated that about 100
> monasteries in the Reich had been dissolved and pointed out
> that the proper procedure called for seizure of the churches
> at the same time the monasteries were dissolved. (1815-PS)
>
> [Page 271]
>
> In February 1940, SS Gruppenfuehrer Heydrich suggested to
> Himmler the seizure of monasteries for the accommodation of
> Racial Germans. He proposed that the authorities of the
> monastic orders be instructed to make the monasteries
> concerned available and move their own members to less
> populous monasteries. He pointed out that the final
> expropriation of properties thus placed at their disposal
> could be carried out step by step in the course of time.
> Himmler agreed to this proposal and ordered the measure to
> be carried out by the Security Police and
> Security Service (Sipo and SD) in collaboration with the
> Reich Commissioner for Consolidation of German Folkdom. (R-
> 101-A)
>
> These orders for confiscation were carried out, as revealed
> in a letter dated 30 March 1942 from the Reich Main Security
> Office (RSHA) Chief of Staff to Himmler mentioning claims
> for compensation pending in a number of confiscation cases.
> In this letter he stated that all rental
> payments to those monasteries and ecclesiastical
> institutions whose premises had been put to use as camps for
> resettlers had been stopped on receipt of Himmler’s order.
> Concerning current developments, he stated:
>
> “After further preparations in which-the Party
> Chancellery participated prominently, the Reich
> Minister of the Interior found a way which makes it
> possible to seize ecclesiastical premises practically
> without compensation and yet avoids the impression of
> being a measure directed against the Church. ***” (R-
> 101-D)
>
> In a letter of 19 April 1941, Bormann advised Rosenberg that
> libraries and art objects of the monasteries confiscated in
> the Reich were to remain for the time being in these
> monasteries and that the Fuehrer had repeatedly rejected the
> suggestion that centralization of all such libraries be
> undertaken. (072-PS)
>
> (e) The Nazi conspirators suppressed religious publications.
> On 6 November 1934, Frick, as Reich and Prussian Minister of
> the Interior, issued an order forbidding until further
> notice publication of all announcements in the daily press,
> in pamphlets and other publications,
> which dealt with the Evangelical Church; with the exception
> of official announcements of the Church Government of the
> Reich. (1498-PS)
>
> By order of the State Police for the District of Dusseldorf,
> the Police Regulation which is quoted in part below was
> promulgated 28 May 1934:
>
> “The distribution and sale of published items of any
> sort in connection with worship or religious
> instructions in public streets or squares near churches
> is forbidden. In the same sense the distribution and
> sale of published items on the oc-
>
> [Page 272]
>
> casions of processions, pilgrimages and similar church
> institutions in the streets or squares they pass
> through or in their vicinity is prohibited.” (R-145)
>
> In January 1940, Bormann informed Rosenberg that he had
> sought to restrict production of religious publications by
> means of having their rations of printing paper cut down
> through the control exercised by Reichsleiter Amann, but
> that the result of these efforts remained
> unsatisfactory. (101-PS)
>
> In March 1940, Bormann instructed Reichsleiter Amann,
> Director of the NSDAP Publications Office, that in any
> future redistribution of paper, confessional writings should
> receive still sharper restrictions in favor of literature
> politically and ideologically more valuable. He went on to
> point out:
>
> ” *** according to a report I have received, only 10
> of the over 3000 Protestant periodicals appearing in
> Germany, such as Sunday papers, etc. have ceased
> publication for reasons of paper saving.” (089-PS)
>
> In April 1940, Bormann informed the High Command of the Navy
> that use of the term “Divine Service” to refer exclusively
> to the services arranged by Christian Confessions was no
> longer to be used, even in National Socialist daily papers.
> In the alternative he suggested:
>
> “In the opinion of the Party the term ‘Church Service’
> cannot be objected to. I consider it fitting since it
> properly implies meetings arranged and organized by the
> Churches.” (068-PS)
>
> (f) The Nazi conspirators suppressed religious
> organizations. On 28 May 1934, the State Police Office for
> the District of Duesseldorf issued an order concerning
> denominational youth and professional organizations which
> stated in part as follows:
>
> “Denominational youth and professional organizations as
> well as those created for special occasions only are
> prohibited from every public activity outside the
> church and religious sphere.
>
> “Especially forbidden is: Any public appearance in
> groups, all sorts of political activity. Any public
> sport function including public hikes and establishment
> of holiday or outdoor camps. The public display or
> showing of flags, banners, pennants or the open wearing
> of uniforms or insignia.” (R-145)
>
> On 20 July 1935, Frick, as Reich and Prussian Minister of
> the Interior, issued secret instructions to the provincial
> governments and to the Prussian Gestapo that Confessional
> youth organizations were to be forbidden to wear uniforms,
> or uniform-
>
> [Page 273]
>
> like clothing, to assemble publicly with pennants and flags,
> to wear insignia as a substitute for uniforms, or to engage
> in any outdoor sport activity.
>
> On 20 January 1938 the Gestapo District Office at Munich,
> issued a decree which stated in part as follows:
>
> “The Guild of the Virgin Mary (de Marianisch
> Jungfrauenkongregation) of the Bavarian dioceses,
> including the diocese of Speyere, together with its
> branches and associations and the Societies of Our Lady
> (Jungfrauenverenen) attached to it, is by police order
> to be dissolved and forbidden with immediate effect.”
>
> Among the reasons cited for this action were the following:
>
> “The whole behavior of the Guild of the Virgin Mary had
> therefore to be objected to from various points of
> view. It could be repeatedly observed that the Guild
> engaged in purely worldly affairs, such as community
> games, and then in the holding of ‘Social Evenings’.
>
> “This proves incontestably that the Guild of the Virgin
> Mary was active to a very great degree in a manner
> unecclesiastical and therefore worldly. By so doing it
> has left the sphere of its proper religious task and
> entered a sphere of activity to which it has no
> statutory right. The organization has therefore to be
> dissolved and forbidden.” (1481-PS)
>
> According to the report of a Security Police “church
> specialist” attached to the State Police Office at Aachen,
> the following points were made by a lecturer at a conference
> of Security Police and Security Service church intelligence
> investigators in Berlin, on 22 September 1941:
>
> “Retreats, recreational organizations, etc., may now be
> forbidden on ground of industrial war-needs, whereas
> formerly only a worldly activity could be given as a
> basis.
>
> “Youth camps, recreational camps are to be forbidden on
> principle, church organizations in the evening may be
> pre vented on grounds of the blackout regulations.
>
> “Processions, pilgrimages abroad are to be forbidden by
> reason of the over-burdened transport conditions. For
> local events too technical traffic troubles and the
> danger of air attack may serve as grounds for their
> prohibition. (One Referent forbade a procession, on the
> grounds of it wearing out shoe leather).” (1815-PS)
>
> (g) The Nazi conspirators suppressed religious education. In
> a speech on 7 March 1937, Rosenberg stated:
>
> “The education of youth can only be carried out by
> those who have rescued Germany from disaster. It is
> therefore
>
> [Page 274]
>
> impossible to demand one Fuehrer, one Reich and one
> firmly united people as long as education is carried
> out by forces which are mutually exclusive to each
> other.” (2351-PS)
>
> In a speech at Fulda, 27 November 1937 Reich Minister for
> Church Affairs Hans Kerrl stated:
>
> “We cannot recognize that the Church has a right to
> insure that the individual should be educated in all
> respects in the way in which it holds to be right; but
> we must leave it to the National Socialist State to
> educate the child in the way it regards as right.” (252-
> PS)
>
> In January 1939, Bormann, acting as Deputy of the Fuehrer,
> informed the Minister of Education, that the Party was
> taking the position that theological inquiry was not as
> valuable as the general fields of knowledge in the
> universities and that suppression of Theological Faculties
> in the universities was to be undertaken at once. He pointed
> out that the Concordat with the Vatican placed certain
> limitations on such a program, but that in the light of the
> general change of
> circumstances, particularly the compulsory military service
> and the execution of the four-year plan, the question of
> manpower made certain reorganizations, economies and
> simplification necessary. Therefore, Theological Faculties
> were to be restricted insofar as they could not
> be wholly suppressed. He instructed that the churches were
> not to be informed of this development and no public
> announcement was to be made. Any complaints, if they were to
> be replied to at all, should be answered with a statement
> that these measures are being executed in a general plan of
> reorganization and that similar things are happening to
> other faculties. He concludes with the statement that the
> professorial chairs vacated by the above program are to be
> turned over to the newly created fields of inquiry, such as
> Racial Research. (116-PS)
>
> A plan for the reduction of Theological Faculties was
> submitted by the Reich Minister for Science, Education and
> Training in April 1939 to Bormann, who forwarded it to
> Rosenberg for consideration and action. The plan called for
> shifting, combining and eliminating Theological
> Faculties in various schools and universities throughout the
> Reich, with the following results:
>
> “To recapitulate this plan would include the complete
> closing of Theological Faculties at Innsbruck, Salzburg
> and Munich, the transfer of the faculty of Graz to
> Vienna and the vanishing of four Catholic faculties.
>
> “a. Closing of three Catholic Theological Faculties or
> Higher Schools and of four Evangelic Faculties in the
> winter semester 1939/40.
>
> [Page 275]
>
> “b. Closing of one further Catholic and of three-
> further Evangelic Faculties in the near future.” (122-
> PS)
>
> In a secret decree of the Party Chancellery, signed by
> Bormann, and distributed to all Gauleiters on 7 June 1941,
> the following statement concerning religious education was
> made:
>
> “No human being would know anything of Christianity if
> it had not been drilled into him in his childhood by
> pastors. The so-called dear God in no wise gives
> knowledge of his existence to young people in advance,
> but in an astonishing manner in spite of his
> omnipotence leaves this to the efforts of the pastors.
> If therefore in the future our youth learns nothing
> more of this Christianity, whose doctrines are far
> below ours, Christianity will disappear by itself.” (D-
> 75)
>
> (2) Supplementary evidence of acts of oppression within
> Germany. In laying the groundwork for their attempted
> subversion of the Church, the Nazi conspirators resorted to
> assurances of peaceful intentions. Thus Hitler, in his
> address to the Reichstag on 23 March 1933 declared:
>
> “While the government is determined to carry through
> the political and moral purging of our public life, it
> is creating and insuring prerequisites for a truly
> religious life. The government sees in both Christian
> confessions the factors most important for the
> maintenance of our Folkdom. It will respect agreements
> concluded between them and the states. However, it
> expects that its work will meet with a similar
> appreciation. The government will treat all other
> denominations with equal objective justice. However, it
> can never condone that belonging to a certain
> denomination or to a certain race might be regarded as
> a license to commit or tolerate crimes. The Government
> will devote its
> care to the sincere living together of Church and
> State.” (3387-PS)
>
> (a) Against the Evangelical Churches. The Nazi conspirators,
> upon their accession to power, passed a number of laws,
> under innocent-sounding titles, designed to reduce the
> Evangelical Churches to the status of an obedient instrument
> of Nazi policy. The following are illustrative:
>
> [Page 276]
>
> Document Number Date Reichsgesetzblatt Title and Gist of Law
> Page
> ————————————————————
>
> 3433-PS 14.7.33 I.471
>
> Gesetz ueher die
> Verfassun der Deutschen
> Evanelischen Kirche (Law
> concerning the
> Constitution of the
> German Evangelical
> Church), establishing
> among other things the
> new post of Reich Bishop.
> [Signed by] Hitler,
> Frick.
>
> 3434-PS 26.6.35 I.774
>
> Gesetz ueer das
> BesGhlussverfahren in
> Rechtsaneleenheite der
> Evanelisschen Kirche (Law
> concerning procedure for
> decisions in legal
> affairs of the
> Evangelical Church),
> giving the Reich Ministry
> of the Interior sole
> authority to determine
> the validity of measures
> taken in the Churches
> since 1 May 1933, when
> raised in a civil
> lawsuit. [Signed by]
> Hitler, Frick.
>
> 3435-PS 3.7.35 I.851
>
> Erste Verordnung zur
> Durchfuehrung des
> Gesetzes ueber das
> Reschluss-verfahren in
> Rechtsanelegenheiten der
> Evanelischen Kirche
> (First Ordinance for
> Execution of the Law
> concerning procedure for
> decisions in legal
> affairs of the
> Evangelical Church),
> setting up detailed
> organization and
> procedures under the law
> of 21 June 1935. [Signed
> by] Frick.
>
> 3466-PS 16.7.35 I.1029
>
> Erlass ueber die Zusammen
> fassung der
> Zustaendiykeiten des
> Reichs und Preussens in
> Kirchenaneleenheiten
> (Decree to unite the
> competences of Reich and
> Prussia in Church
> affairs) transferring to
> Kerrl, Minister without
> Portfolio, the church
> affairs previously
> handled by Reich and
> Prussian Ministers of the
> Interior and of Science,
> Education, and Training.
> [Signed by] Hitler, Rust,
> Koerner.
>
> [Page 277]
>
>
> 3436-PS 24.9.35 I.1178
>
> Gesetz zur Sicherun der
> Deutschen Evangelischen
> Kirche (Law for the
> Safeguarding of the
> German Evangelical
> Church) empowering the
> Reich Minister of Church
> Affairs (Kerrl) to issue
> Ordinances with binding
> legal force. [Signed by]
> Hitler, Frick.
>
> 3437-PS 2.12.35 I.1370
>
> Fuenfte Verordnung Zur
> Durchfuehrun des Gesetzes
> zur Siherun der Deutschen
> Evanelischen Kirche
> (Fifth decree for
> execution of the law for
> the Safeguarding of the
> German Evangelical
> Church) prohibiting the
> churches from filling
> their pastorates,
> ordaining ministers,
> visitation, publishing of
> banns, and collecting
> dues and assessments.
> [Signed by] Kerrl.
>
> 3439-PS 25.6.37 I.697
>
> Fuenfzehnte Verordnun zur
> Durchfuehrun des Gesetzes
> zur Sicherung der
> Deutschen Evanyelischen
> Kirche (Fifteenth decree
> for the Execution of the
> Law for Security of the
> German Evangelical
> Church) establishing in
> the Reich Ministry for
> Church Affairs a Finance
> Department, to supervise
> administration of the
> church property budget,
> tax assessment, and use
> of budget funds. [Signed
> by] Kerrl.
>
> With the help of their Reich Bishop, Bishop Mueller, they
> maneuvered the Evangelical Youth Association into the Hitler
> Jugend under Von Schirach in December 1933. (1458-PS)
>
> They arrested prominent Protestant leaders such as Pastor
>
> [Page 278]
>
> Niemoeller. By 1937, the result of all these measures was
> complete administrative control by the Nazi conspirators
> over the Evangelical churches.
>
> (b) Against the Catholic Church. Just as in their program
> against the Evangelical Churches, so in their attack on the
> Catholic Church, the Nazi conspirators concealed their real
> intentions under a cloak of apparent respect for its rights
> and protection of its activities. On 20 July 1933, a
> Concordat was concluded between the Holy See and the German
> Reich, signed for the Reich by Von Papen (280-A-PS). It was
> the Nazi Government, not the Church, which initiated the
> negotiations.
>
> “The German Government asked the Holy See to conclude a
> Concordat with the Reich.” (268-PS)
>
> By Article I of the Concordat,
>
> “The German Reich guarantees freedom of profession and
> public practice of the Catholic religion.
>
> “It acknowledges the right of the Catholic Church,
> within the limit of those laws which are applicable to
> all, to manage and regulate her own affairs
> independently, and, within the framework of her own
> competence, to publish laws and ordinances binding on
> her members.” (3280-A-PS)
>
> Other articles formulated agreements on basic principles
> such as free communication between Rome and the local
> ecclesiastical authorities, freedom of the Catholic press,
> of Catholic education and of Catholic action in charitable,
> professional, and youth organizations. In return,
> the Vatican pledged loyalty by the clergy to the Reich
> Government and emphasis in religious instruction on the
> patriotic duties of the Christian citizen. (3280-A-PS)
>
> In reliance upon assurances by the Nazi conspirators, the
> Catholic hierarchy had already revoked their previous
> prohibition against Catholics becoming members of the Nazi
> Party (389 PS). The Catholic Center Party, under a
> combination of Nazi pressure and assurances,
> published on 29 December 1933, an announcement of its
> dissolution (2403-PS). Thus the Catholics went a long way to
> disarm themselves and cooperate with the Nazis.
> Nevertheless, the Nazi conspirators continued to develop
> their policy of slow strangulation of religion, first in
> covert, and then in open, violation of their assurances and
> agreements.
>
> In the Encyclical “Mt Brenneder Sorge”, on 14 March 1937, Pope
> Pius XI described the program:
>
> “It discloses intrigues which from the beginning had no
> other aim than a war of extermination. In the furrows
> in which we had labored to sow the seeds of true peace,
> others like the enemy in Holy Scripture (Matt. xiii,
> 25) sowed
>
> [Page 279]
>
> the tares of suspicion, discord, hatred, calumny of
> secret and open fundamental hostility to Christ and His
> Church, fed from a thousand different sources and
> making use of every available means. On them and on
> them alone and on their silent and vocal protectors
> rests the responsibility that now on the horizon of
> Germany there is to be seen not the rainbow of peace
> but the threatening storm clouds of destructive
> religious wars. *** Anyone who has any sense of truth
> left in his mind and even a shadow of the feeling of
> justice left in his heart will have to admit that, in
> the difficult and eventful years which followed the
> Concordat, every word and every action of Ours was
> ruled by loyalty to the terms of the agreement; but
> also he will have to recognize with surprise and deep
> disgust that the unwritten law of the other party has
> been arbitrary misinterpretation of agreements, evasion
> of agreements, evacuation of the meaning of agreements,
> and
> finally more or less open violation of agreements.”
> (3280-PS)
>
> The Nazis suppressed the Catholic Youth League, beginning
> ten days after the concordat was signed. (See Section 8,
> infra.)
>
> On 18 January 1942, in declining to accede to a demand made
> by the German Government that no further appointment of
> Archbishops, Bishops, and other high administrative
> dignitaries be made in the new territories of the Reich, or
> of certain of them within the old Reich, without previous
> consultation with the German Government (3261-PS), the
> Secretary of State of Pope Pius XII pointed to measures
> taken by the German Government,
>
> “Contrary not only to the existing Concordats and to
> the principles of international law ratified by the
> Second Hague conference, but oftenand this is much more
> graveto the very fundamental principles of divine law,
> both natural and positive.”
>
> The Papal Secretary of State continued:
>
> “Let it suffice to recall in this connection, among
> other things, the changing of the Catholic State
> elementary schools into undenominational schools; the
> permanent or temporary closing of many minor
> seminaries, of not a few major seminaries and of some
> theological faculties; the suppression of almost all
> the private schools and of numerous Catholic boarding
> schools and colleges; the repudiation, decided
> unilaterally, of financial obligations which the State,
> Municipalities etc. had towards the Church; the
> increasing difficulties put in the way of the activity
> of the religious Orders and Congregations in the
> spiritual, cultural and social field
>
> [Page 280]
>
> and above all the suppression of Abbeys, monasteries,
> convents and religious houses in such great numbers
> that one is led to infer a deliberate intention of
> rendering impossible the very existence of the Orders
> and Congregations in Germany.
>
> “Similar and even graver acts must be deplored in the
> annexed and occupied territories, especially in the
> Polish territories and particularly in the Reichsgau
> Wartheland, for which the Reich Superintendent – has
> issued, under date of September 13th last, a
> ‘Decree concerning Religious Associations and Religious
> Societies’ (Verordnung uber eligioese Vereinigngen und
> Religion-gesellschaften) in clear opposition to the
> fundamental principles of the divine constitution of
> the Church.” (3261-PS)
>
> Illustrative of the numerous other cases and specific
> incidents which might be adduced as the program of
> suppression was carried into action within Germany proper,
> are the measures adopted beginning in 1936 to eliminate the
> priest Rupert Mayer of Munich. Because of his sermons, he
> was confined in various prisons, arrested and rearrested,
> interned in Oranienburg-Sachsenhausen concentration camp,
> and the Ettal Monastery, from which he was released by
> Allied troops in May 1945, and later died. ‘(372-PS)
>
> (c) Against other religious groups.
>
> Members of the sect known as “BibelJorscher”meaning “Members
> of a Biblical Society” or “Bible-Researchers”were as early
> as 1937 sent as a routine matter to concentration camps by
> the Gestapo, even after serving of a sentence imposed by a
> court or.after the cancellation of
> an arrest order (D-84). At one camp aloneDachauthere were
> over 150 “Bibelforscher” in protective custody in 1937.
> (2928-PS)
>
> B. Acts of suppression of the Christian Churches in Annexed
> an Occupied Territories.
>
> (1) In Austria. The methods of suppression of churches
> followed in Austria by the occupying power began with
> measures to exclude the Church from public activities, such
> as processions, printing of newspapers and Reviews which
> could spread Christian doctrines; from forming Youth
> organizations, such as Boy Scouts; from directing
> educational or charitable activities; and even from
> extending help in the form of food to foreigners. Unable in
> conscience to obey the public
> prescription, ministers of religions were arrested and sent
> to concentration camps, and some were executed. Churches
> were closed, convents and mon-
>
> [Page 281]
>
> asteries suppressed, and educational property confiscated.
> The total number of confiscations, suppressions, or
> alienations of religious institutions exceeded 100 cases in
> one diocese alone. (3278-PS)
>
> The Lutheran Church in Austria, though comprising a small
> minority of the population, was subjected to organized
> oppression. Its educational efforts were obstructed or
> banned. Believers were encouraged, and sometimes
> intimidated, to repudiate their faith. Lutheran pastors were
> given to understand that a government position would be
> awarded to each one who would renounce his ministry and if
> possible withdraw from the Lutheran Church. (3273-PS)
>
> Tn summation of the period of Nazi domination and in review
> of the attempted suppression of the Christian Church, the
> Archbishops and Bishops of Austria in their first joint
> Pastoral after liberation declared:
>
> “At an end also is an intellectual battle, the goal of
> which was the destruction of Christianity and the
> Church among our people; a campaign of lies and
> treachery against truth and love, against divine and
> human rights and against international law.” (3274-PS)
>
> (2) In Czechoslovakia. The Czechoslovak Official Report for
> the prosecution and trial of the German Major War Criminals
> by the International Military Tribunal established according
> to the Agreement of the Four Great Powers of 8 August 1945
> describes in summary form the measures taken by the Nazi
> conspirators to suppress religious liberties and persecute
> the churches. The following excerpts are quoted from this
> report (998-PS):
>
> “(a) Catholic Church.
>
> “*** At the outbreak of war, 487 Catholic priests
> were among the thousands of Czech patriots arrested and
> sent to concentration camps as hostages. Venerable high
> ecclesiastical dignitaries were dragged to
> concentration camps in Germany. *** Religious orders
> were dissolved and liquidated, their charitable
> institutions closed down and their members expelled or
> else forced to compulsory labor in Germany. All
> religious instruction in Czech schools was suppressed.
> Most of the weeklies and monthlies which the Catholics
> had published in Czechoslovakia, had been suppressed
> from the very beginning of the occupation. The Catholic
> gymnastic organization “Orel” with 800,000
> members was dissolved and its Property was confiscated.
> To a
>
> [Page 282]
>
> great extent Catholic church property was seized for
> the benefit of the Reich.
>
> “(b) Czechoslovak National Church.
>
> “*** The Czechoslovak Church in Slovakia was entirely
> prohibited and its property confiscated under German
> compulsion in 1940. It has been allowed to exist in
> Bohemia and Moravia but in a crippled form under the
> name of the Czecho-Moravian Church.
>
> “(c) Protestant Churches.
>
> “The Protestant Churches were deprived of the freedom
> to preach the gospel. German secret state police
> watched closely whether the clergy observed the
> restrictions imposed on it. *** Some passages from
> the Bible were not allowed to be read in public at all.
> ***
>
> “* * Church leaders were especially persecuted, scores
> of ministers were imprisoned in concentration camps,
> among them the General Secretary of the Students’
> Christian Movement in Czechoslovakia. One of the Vice-
> Presidents was executed.
>
> “Protestant Institutions such as the YMCA and YWCA were
> suppressed throughout the country.
>
> “The leading Theological School for all Evangelical
> denominations, HUS Faculty in Prague and all other
> Protestant training schools for the ministry were
> closed down in November 1939, with the other Czech
> universities and colleges.
>
> “(d) Czech Orthodox Church.
>
> “The hardest blow was directed against the Czech
> Orthodox Church. The Orthodox churches in
> Czechoslovakia were ordered by the Berlin Ministry of
> Church Affairs to leave the Pontificate of Belgrade and
> Constantinople respectively and to become subordinate
> to the Berlin Bishop. The Czech Bishop Gorazd was
> executed together with two other priests of the
> Orthodox Church. By a special order of the Protector
> Daluege, issued in September 1942, the Orthodox Church
> of Serbian Constantinople jurisdiction was completely
> dissolved in the Czech lands, its religious activity
> forbidden and its property
>
> “All Evangelical education was handed over to the civil
> authorities and many Evangelical teachers lost their
> employment; moreover the State grant to salaries of
> many evangelical priests was taken away.” (998-PS)
>
> (3) In Poland. The repressive measures levelled against the
> Christian Church in Poland where Hans Frank was Governor-
>
> [Page 283]
>
> General from 1939 to 1945, were even more drastic and
> sweeping. In protest against the
> systematic strangulation of religion, the Vatican, on 8
> October 1942, addressed a memorandum to the German Embassy
> accredited to the Holy See in which the Secretariat of State
> emphasized the fact that despite previous protests to the
> Minister for Foreign Affairs of the Reich, von
> Ribbentrop, the religious condition of the Catholics in the
> Warthegau “has become even sadder and more tragic.” This
> memorandum states:
>
> “For quite a long time the religious situation in the
> Warthegau gives cause for very grave and ever
> increasing anxiety. There, in fact, the Episcopate has
> been little by little almost completely eliminated; the
> secular and regular clergy have been reduced to
> proportions that are absolutely inadequate, because
> they have been in large part deported and exiled; the
> education of clerics has been forbidden; the Catholic
> education of youth is meeting with the greatest
> opposition; the nuns have been dispersed;
> insurmountable obstacles have been put in the way of
> affording people the helps of religions; very many
> churches have been closed; Catholic intellectual and
> charitable institutions have been destroyed;
> ecclesiastical property has been seized.” (3263-PS)
>
> On 18 November 1942 the Papal Secretary of State requested
> the Archbishop of Breslau, Cardinal Bertram, to use every
> effort to assist Polish Catholic workers transferred to
> Germany, who were being deprived of the consolations of
> religion. In addition, he again appealed for help for the
> Polish priests detained in various concentration camps,
> whose death rate was “still on the increase.” (3265-PS). On
> 7 December 1942 the Cardinal Archbishop of Breslau replied
> that all possible efforts were being put forward by the
> German Bishops without success on behalf of the victims of
> concentration camps and labor battalions, and deplored “the
> intolerable decrees” against religious ministration to
> Poles. (3266-PS)
>
> On 2 March 1943, the Cardinal Secretary of State addressed a
> note to von Ribbentrop, Reichsminister for Foreign Affairs,
> in which the violations of religious rights and conscience
> among the civilian population of Poland were set out in
> detail, and the time, locality, and character of the
> persecutions were specified. Priests and Ecclesiastics were
> still being arrested, thrust into concentration camps, and
> treated with scorn and derision, while many had been
> summarily executed. Religious instruction was hampered;
> Catholic schools were closed; the use of the Polish lan-
>
> [Page 284]
>
> guage in sacred functions and even in the Sacrament of
> Penance was forbidden. Even the natural right of marriage
> was denied to men of Polish nationality under 28 years of
> age to women under 25. In the territory called “General
> Government” similar conditions existed and against these the
> Holy See vigorously protested. To save the harassed and
> persecuted leaders of the Catholic Church, the Vatican had
> petitioned that they be allowed to emigrate to neutral
> countries of Europe or America. The only concession made was
> that they would all be collected in one concentration camp
> Dachau. (3264-PS)
>
> The Nazi conspirators adopted a dilatory and obstructionist
> policy toward complaints as to religious affairs in the
> overrun territories, and a decision was “taken by those
> competent to do so. *** that no further consideration will
> be taken of proposals or requests concerning the territories
> which do not belong to the Old Reich.” (3262-PS)
>
> “Those competent” to make decisions on complaints as to
> religious affairs in the overrun territories — especially
> the Party Chancery, headed by Bormann — the methods they
> used, and the reasons for their attitude are outlined by the
> Cardinal Archbishop of Breslau, a German
> living in Germany, in a letter to the Papal Secretary of
> State on 7 December 1942 as follows:
>
> “Your Eminence knows very well the greatest difficulty
> in the way of opening negotiations comes from the
> overruling authority which the “National Socialist
> Party Chancery” (Kanzlei der Nazion-sozstschen Parez,
> known as the Partei-Kanzlei) exercises in relation to
> the Chancery of the Reich (Reichskanzlei) and to the
> single Reich Ministries. This ‘Parteikanzlei’ directs
> the course to be followed by the State, whereas the
> Ministries and the Chancery of the Reich are obliged
> and compelled to adjust their decrees to these
> directions. Besides, there is the fact that the
> “Supreme Office for the Security of the Reich” called
> the ‘Reichsscherheitshauptamt’ enjoys an authority
> which precludes all legal action and all appeals. Under
> it are the ‘Secret Offices for Public Security’ called
> ‘Geheime Staatspolizei’ (a title shortened usually to
> Gestapo) of which there is one for each Province.
> Against the decrees of this Central Office
> (Reichsscherheitshauptamt) and of the Secret Offices
> (Geheime Staatspolizei) there is no appeal through the
> Courts, and no complaint made to the Ministries has any
> effect. Not infrequently the Councillors of the
> Ministries suggest that they have not been able to do
> as they would wish to, because of the opposition of
> these Party offices. As far as the executive
>
> [Page 285]
>
> power is concerned, the organization called the SS,
> that is Schutzstaffeln der Partei, is in practice
> supreme.
>
> “This hastily sketched interrelation of authorities is
> the reason why many of the petitions and protests made
> by the Bishops to the Ministries have been foiled. Even
> if we present our complaints to the so-called Supreme
> Security Office, there is rarely any reply; and when
> there is, it is negative.
>
> “On a number of very grave and fundamental issues we
> have also presented our complaints to the Supreme
> Leader of the Reich (Fuehrer). Either no answer is
> given, or it is apparently edited by the above-
> mentioned Party Chancery, which does not consider
> itself bound by the Concordat made with the Holy See.”
> (3266-PS)
>
> The interchange of correspondence following the transmission
> of the above-described note of 2 March 1943 on the religious
> situation in the overrun Polish Provinces illustrates the
> same evasive tactics. (3269-PS)
>
> In his Allocution to the Sacred College, on 2 June 1945, His
> Holiness Pope Pius XII recalled, byway of example, “some
> details from the abundant accounts which have reached us
> from priests and laymen who were interned in the
> concentration camp at Dachau”:
>
> “In the forefront, for the number and harshness of the
> treatment meted out to them, are the Polish priests.
> From 1940 to 1945, 2,800 Polish ecclesiastics and
> religious were imprisoned in that camp; among them was
> the Auxiliary bishop of Wloclawek, who died there of
> typhus. In April last there were left only 816, all the
> others being dead except
> for two or three transferred to another camp. In the
> summer of 1942, 480 German-speaking ministers of
> religion were known to be gathered there; of these, 45
> were Protestants, all the others Catholic priests. In
> spite of the continuous inflow of new internees,
> especially from some dioceses of Bavaria, Rhenania and
> Westphalia, their number, as a result of the high rate
> of mortality, at the beginning of this year, did not
> surpass 350. Nor should we pass over in silence these
> belonging to occupied territories, Holland, Belgium,
> France (among whom the Bishop of Clermont), Luxembourg,
> Slovenia, Italy. Many of those priests and laymen
> endured indescribable sufferings for their faith and
> for their vocation. In one case the hatred of the
> impious against Christ
> reached the point of parodying on the person of an
>
> [Page 286]
>
> interned priest, with barbed wire, the scourging and
> the crowning with thorns of our
> Redeemer.” (3268-PS)
>
> Further revealing figure on the persecution of Polish
> priests are contained in the following extract from Charge
> No. 17 against Hans Frank, Governor-General of Poland,
> submitted by the Polish Government, entitled “Maltreatment
> and Persecution of the Catholic Clergy in the Western
> Provinces”:
>
> “IV. GENERAL CONDITIONS AND RESULTS OF THE PERSECUTION
>
> 11. The general situation of the clergy in the
> Archdiocese of Poznan in the beginning of April 1940 is
> summarized in the following words of Cardinal Hlond’s
> second report:
>
> 5 priests shot
>
> 27 priests confined in harsh concentration camps at
> Stutthof and in other camps
>
> 190 priests in prison or in concentration camps at
> Bruczkow, Chludowo, Goruszki, Kazimierz, Biskupi, Lad,
> Lubin and Puszczykowo,
>
> 35 priests expelled into the Government General,
>
> 11 priests seriously ill in consequence of ill-
> treatment,
>
> 122 parishes entirely left without priests.’
>
> 12. In the diocese of Chefmno,. where about 650 priests
> were installed before the war only 30 were allowed to
> stay, the 97% of them were imprisoned, executed or put
> into concentration camps.
>
> 13. By January 141 about 7000 priests were killed, 3000
> were in prison or concentration camps.” (3279-PS)
>
> The Allocution of Pope Pius XII on 2 June 1945 described
> National Socialism as “the arrogant apostasy from Jesus
> Christ, the denial of His doctrine and of His work of
> redemption, the cult of violence, the idolatry of race and
> blood, the overthrow of human liberty and dignity.” It
> summarized the attacks of “National Socialism” on the
> Catholic Church in these terms:
>
> “The struggle against the Church did, in fact, become
> even more bitter: there was the dissolution of Catholic
> organizations; the gradual suppression of the
> flourishing Catholic schools,-both public and private;
> the enforced weaning of youth from family and Church;
> the pressure brought to bear on the conscience of
> citizens, and especially of civil servants; the
> systematic defamation, by means of a clever, closely
> organized propaganda, of the Church, the clergy, the
> faithful, the Church’s institutions, teaching and
> history; the closing, dissolution, confiscation of
> religious houses and other ecclesiastical institutions;
> the complete suppression of the Catholic press and
> publishing houses.” (3268-PS)
>
> —
> The Nizkor Project: An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
> Search: https://nizkor.org/search.html Broken link
> Funding: https://nizkor.org/funding.html Broken link

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Mr Hubert is correct about the genesis of the salaried clergymen in Germany.
But he and other holocaustians forget that the Adolf, once given dictatorial
powers he could easily stop such payments by the fiat of his word, as he has
done it and away with political parties in 1934 in the III Reich.

He had not done it because while he was an apointed (rather then elected)
dictator, despite dictatorial powers on an important matters he ruled by the
will of the people i.e. referendums.

Moreover, one has to ponder and can never be sure if he would continue to rule
once the plain Germans did not gave him the about 90% vote of confidence.
Knowing his ego, I think he would probably resign.

Polina B.

RockyMtnCougar wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Juergen Hubert
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > polin wrote:
>
> > > And, while even during the war Hitler was paying clergy’s
> > salaries,
> > > Roosevelt and Churchill have never done it in the peace time.
> > The fact that the German state continued to pay salaries to
> > clergymen
> > AFAIK wasn’t instituted by Hitler (and I doubt he would have done
> > that)
> > – that dates back to the German Empire, when the government
> > nationalized
> > all church lands, but agreed to reimburse the churches through
> > regular
> > payments.
> > – Juergen Hubert
>
> He also conveniently forgets that little slip of parchment called The
> Constitution, the First Ammendment of which makes clear that neither
> Roosevelt nor ANY other President of the United states will pay clergy
> (exceptions for military clerics who serve our soldiers being a notable
> exception).
>
> To fault Roosevelt for not paying Father Coughlin or any other civilian
> clergy person is ludicrous. Of course, most of what rolly-polly posts
> is.
>
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Dear Mrs Poniecka,

You did not respond nor substantiated my questions:

1) Is the 50% death rate of Polish priests at Dachau authentic, considering
that out of 315 members of the generally elderly academia of the Jagiellonian
University about 285 survived near six years of imprisonment?

2) Did Nazis selectively murdered Polish priests at Dachau while did not
murder priests of other nationalities

3 ) Did Polish priests died due to privations or epidemics

4) Why Pius XII did not protest about the atrocious rate of the death of
Polish priests. In 1939 he was extremely supportive of conquered Poland.

5) why the record states that so many Polish priest and clergymen died (about
800)

Polina Borowska

PONIECKA wrote:

> >the atrocious death rate of the
> >Polish priests at Dachau
>
> The names of 108 Polish martyrs of WWII can be found at this site:
>
> http://www.ipipan.waw.pl/~klopotek/church/rcc_in_p.htm#Saints (Page doesn`t exist)
>
> Overwhelmingly, they are priests. But how to explain Christians killing
> Christians, and the barbaric measures taken against the clergy of the same
> religion, different nationality?
>
> PONIECKA

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Dear Daniel,

1) Please do not be more Catholic than the Pope! … Do not be more Holocaustian
than USMM and Ken Mc Vay who complained to me that he could not get complete Belzec
Report.

Snipetts available contradict the history of the Belzec camp of the last few
decades that all corpses were cremated and indicate that pedantic Germans were
careless at covering traces of their “crime” i.e. industrial murder of the Lemberg
(Lwow, Lviv) Jews. What you describe as huge seems to me as an usual cemetery
serving Nazi concentration camp.

There were about 50 mass graves for about 10,000 corpses at the Treblinka I for the
Poles. And we do not raise the roocous for that burial field or claim
extermination on such basis.

2) I am astonished that you are an exegetic of the WW II Holocaust but you do not
proseletise. I thought you will be happy that I would return to the Faith for any
hard evidence reason, like the Saint Thomas. It seems that both the Judaism and
Holocaustianism are two not proseltizing religions.

3) You claim that you saw Hydrokop Report. I am again astonished. Directors of
the Musemum Krystyna Oleksy and mrg. Wroblewski several times in writting refused
access of the Polish HIstorical Society of Stamford CT to this most important
document of the Holocaust.

Are you fluent in Polish or they showed you autheniticated translation in English.
Or they just showed you a few drawings and the Polish text??

If not translated I am ready to do it. Lets get togrether on that project, jointly
I former Holocaustian and you an active exegete.

5) I thought I will not succeed in prompting you into mentioning bloating, so last
evening posted about this phenomenon.

But belatedly you fell in my trap and mentioned the bloating today.

I agree that in warm temperature cadavers bloat … due to bacterial putrefaction.
But in order for Eli Wiesel in Kyiv or Adolf Eichman in Lviv to see geysers of
blood the gasses would have to be released simultaneously, I am sure you will
agree.

A malicious person might suggest that the dead bloated Jews had to burp in unison
in order to produce Eichmannesque geysers. And why Jewish corpses burp in unison
while Slavic do not???

Leaving gruesome jokes on the side the phenomenon of bloating of cxarcasses
observed every summer on American highways, is a prove that not only blood but even
the putrefaction gasses can not leave the corpse throught its intugemen.

I repeat: the human skin is so tight that after death will not release the internal
gasses ergo does not release fluids i.e. blood. Thus the geysers of blood even in
summer are total Holocaustian fiction and one of many martyrological
confabulations.

Thus exterminationist and revisionists agreed on little point of bloating and dealt
deadly blow to the blow-outs of geysers.

Polina

Daniel Keren wrote:

> [Followup-To: alt.revisionism]
>
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> ## Have you heard about the recent excavations in Belzec, “Polina”?
>
> # Even Ken Mc Vey could not obtain complete report just meaningless snippets.
>
> He seems to have quite a lot of material posted on his site, which
> clearly indicates a huge amount of human remains in Belzec. The name
> is McVay, BTW.
>
> # If it will show industrial murder of Jews I will instantly become one of you
> # again.
>
> Oh, please don’t become one of us. Please.
>
> # Did you hear about the 1966, 33 years old massive Hydrokop Report on Birkenau
>
> Saw it, actually.
>
> # PS I am astonished that you might for a second believe in the geysers.
>
> Let’s start with a simple one. Do you agree, that when tens-of-thousands
> of corpses are buried in one place, this will cause a lot of gases to be
> released, due to the putrefication process?
>
> Have you heard, or read, descriptions about how corpses left on the
> battlefield bloat?
>
> -Danny Keren.

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Goodevening,

Below, by inapproprietly accusing me of blaming Roosevelt, Rocky deflects the
dillemma of many Polish priests dying at Dachau others were drawing salaries
>from the Nazis.

Instead in a bigoted way zeroing on Roosevelt, [T]Rocky should zero in on
predominantly Jewish NKVD and the Communists who destroyed not only priests and
churches but faithful and religions (e.g. Judaism and Ukrainian Uniate Catholic
Church) while suppressing all others.

Polina

I did not bl

RockyMtnCougar wrote:

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PONIECKA wrote:

> “Polina Borowska” wrote:
>
> >You did not respond nor substantiated my questions
>
> It is not my intention to answer or substantiate your questions.
>
> The website of WWII Polish Catholic martyrs was brought up in another forum,
> and I posted it as more detailed information. In dealing with numbers, we
> forget the names of real people.
>
> Actually, I was more interested in tracing your post to the newsgroup
> alt.revisionism, where the thread originated as “Priests Murdered in Dachau
> Concentration Camp.”
>
> If you are truly interested in resolving your questions, why don’t you research
> the Internet yourself?

I wish I could. About Auschwitz alone, there were 9883 different titles of books
published by June 1996, (when I asked for the printout) and catalogued by about
23,000 libraries sharing information with the OCLC. Probably similar sea of
information is about Dachau and searching bibliography alone would take a few
weeks. Informational overkill is probably even greater on the Internet on these
subject. For this reason I asked for help and to repeat my questions

– Why Polish priests died more frequently than non-Polish priests at Dachau

– Why 80% of Polish priests were NOT imprisoned by the Nazis and safely drew
salaries and printed their religious materials on cellulose (paper), the strategic
and rationed war material.

– Why 50% of Polish priests survived for six years in the Nazi Death camps?

Did Hitler in 1942 run out of Zyclon B or carbon monoxide? Carbon monoxide could
be created by incomplete combustion of straw filled materaces on which the priests
slept in the camps.

Eventually, by early 1945 Hitler run out of insecticide Zyclon B when its factories
were randomly destroyed by American bombers, what resulted in an appalling death
rate at the concentration camps repetitiously shown by our media when the British
bulldozer plows into mass graves heaps of cahectic bodies (due to constant diarrhea
>from typhus and dysentery but not from starvation.

> For starters, there are several links to information
> about Dachau at this site:
>
> http://members.aol.com/AACTchrNet/page5.html#Dach (Page doesn`t exist)
>
> I also heartily recommend the book by Msgr. Stanislaw Grabowski, “Follow Me:
> The Memoirs of a Polish Priest.” An excerpt from the book summary:
>
> “Born to an impoverish peasant family in Russian-controlled Poland in 1911,
> Stanislaw Grabowski was ordained to the priesthood in 1938. At the outbreak of
> World War II he was serving a diocese in western Poland. In October 1939, he
> was arrested as part of an ethnic cleansing operation in the areas of Poland
> directly annexed by the Reich.
>
> For the next five and a half years Fr. Grabowski was a prisoner in Nazi camps.

SURVIVING FOR FIVE AND AN HALF YEARS AT THE DEATH CAMP???

> Most of that time was spent in the “priests’ barracks” in Dachau. After
> liberation, he came to the United States where he wrote one of the first
> accounts of the Holocaust in Polish outside of Poland. He served in parishes on
> the east coast, South Dakota, and Minnesota and passed away in 1993.

WORKED AND LIVED TO A SOUND 82 YEARS AFTER PRIVATIONS AND PERSECUTIONS OF THE DEATH
CAMP???

It seems that the Dachau perhaps gave him a sort of immuninty or at least lease on
longevity! One would expect that after the horrors of the camps liberated inmates
should pass away in a few months after their release, would you not agree?? My
relatives and acquaintances who survived Siberian camps usually returned toothless
and prematurely aged and died within years after their release in late 1950s.

And they were so ininated (worn out, nearly dead) that none of them was able to
create any writting. Did you noticed Mrs Poniecka that perhaps one of eight
Auschwitz survivors (there were about 60,000 of them) published a book or a
memoir. Did you also notice Mrs Poniecka that there is a virtual absence of
memoirs of Siberia survivors?

Not that I believe in survivors or refugees stories. I do not regardless they are
Jews, Poles Germans or Albanians. A huge, front page stories were created in our
press about 700 KOSOVARS massacred by Serbs and burried in an abandoned mineshaft.
About a week ago on back page of the NYT and other papers you could find that
invetigators of the Hague Tribunal for weeks excavated this mineshaft and found
nothing, NOT EVEN ONE CORPSE OR SKELETON! And the death of the 700 Kosovar martyrs
was established on the authority of testimonies of divergent Albanian refugees on
the premise that all of them were c o n s i s t e n t l y relating this
martyrological story.

Without reading Rev Grabowski memoir I classify it as such a confabulatory
martyrological story. I have red hundreds of them and cried many times reading it
until one time I started to reflect on their i n t e r n a l inconsitencies and
became a historical revisionist. From then on, I am looking for a hard, physical
evidence of martyrology and genesis of alleged facts.

Thus my question Why only 50% Polish priests died and Why some of them were
imprisoned while others not. Was Hitler bent of extermination of 50% of imprisoned
priests only???

> “Follow Me” tells the story of a remarkable and danger-filled life. It is one
> on the first books ever to tell the story of Polish priests imprisoned by the
> Nazis during World War II. Over a fifth of Poland’s Catholic clergy was killed
> during the war, and many religious were imprisoned or tortured.”
>
> PONIECKA

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“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> > Dear Mr Mc Vay,
>
> > In the “[present] era of revisionism” (term in editorial in Martyrs and
> > Resistance Dec. 1996)
>
> There is no such “era.” The deniers of the Holocaust are part of the
> lunatic fringe.

For the last 30 years, Martyrs and Resistance is the official periodical
publication sometimes monthly sometimes quarterly of the Holocaust Survivors in the
USA published in NYC. Blame the editoer Zborowski for using this term and not
revisionists.

> > who cares about [extorted] testimonies obtained
> > during Nuremberg trials?
>
> Anybody interested in the history of the period.
>
> But since you claim otherwise, please name a single prosecution witness
> whose testimony was “extorted”

The British hangman and the interrogator of R. Hoess claimed in his recent book
that he was tortured.

> or a signle document named in the analysis
> of the nazi war against Christianity which was not proved to be authentic.

The above is incomprehensible to me. Hitler imprisoned many (political?) priests
mostly Poles and about 200 German clergyman (out of tens of thousands) and to the
rest paid monthly salaries. It was political war but not religeous. In my city of
Lodz of 700,000 inhabitants, 40% Polish 30% Jewish and 30% German most Catholic
Churches were closed but none in cities without German populace. This again was
expression of ethnic but not religeous war.

Polina

thanks for refering me to Nizkor. As a historical revisionist I find the plethora
of documents listed there INVALUBLE to the revisionist cause e.g. about Treblinka
[II}latest document which indicates that the camp was a cadaveric smelly but not
secret or ‘exterminationist’ establishment

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“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

The British hangman and the interrogator of R. Hoess claimed in his recent book
that he was tortured.

> or a signle document named in the analysis
> of the nazi war against Christianity which was not proved to be authentic.

Polina

thanks for refering me to Nizkor. As a historical revisionist I find the plethora
of documents listed there INVALUBLE to the revisionist cause e.g. about Treblinka
[II}latest document which indicates that the camp was a cadaveric and smelly but
not secret or ‘exterminationist’ establishment

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www.ukrachive of Lubomyr Prytulak reproduces recent book of Shapochwal
which provides verbatim handwritten applications for promotions of the
300 leading officers of the Cheka-NKVD in Ukraine for years 1920-40.

It shows that about 60% of them listed their ethnicity as Jewish.
Prytulak errs but not pointing to the fact that most of the rest were
like Madlaine Albrightr and General Clark of NATO of Hobrooke of UN i.e.
they did not know they were Jewish [actually they were able to hide
their Jewishness]

Book is available from the Polish Historical Society and in eight
libraries throughout USA and Canada

[email protected] wrote:

> Another lie from polin:
>
> > predominantly Jewish NKVD
>
> When will it end?

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Dear Mr Kaspian,

If I am not mistaken Mr. Candide is NOT Holocaust revisionist. He simply
detests Jews. As you will notice I and true revisionists always capitalize
the word Jew or Jewess or Jewish. We respect Jews because for one reasons
among us are Jews such a David Cole videotaped and embarassed Dr. Piper of
the Auschwitz Museum and Efim Florisman who developed the true story of the
Babi Yar as a hoax by Solomon Lozowski of the Sovinform and Plitbureau and
wrote the Holocaust Chastushki for which he was severely chastized in Novoje
“Ruskoje” Slovo.

Moreover, we revisionists are inherently avoved pacifists. It is you
martyrologists who are bloody-minded and see baby brains splattered where it
there were no babies and do not see fat and smiling Jewish babies in
stills, photographed by the US Signal Corps at the day of the liberation of
Dachau or Jewish [?] babies in icubators depicted in the newsreals of the
just liberated Buchenwald.

You can see them in US National Archive only since no mainstream media will
publish them or the wartime air photos of Kyiv which show undisturbed
ground cover in Babi Yar and undisturbed tombstones at the nearby Jewish
cemetery.

You call us racists. There are Negro revisionist such as Dr. Block and Rev
Farrhakan and there are Semitic revisionists such as from the Radio Islam in
Sweden and some editors of the Egyptian newspapers. There are also Oriental
revisionists in Japan and in mainland China.

zzdrastvujte and Shalom from Polina

[email protected] wrote:

> A lie from Candide:
>
> > It is a well known fact that most (if not all) of
> > the documents presented at Nuremberg trials
> > were fabricated by the NKVD – the Soviet
> > political police, dominated almost entirely by
> > jews.

> This is, of course, historically stupid. And Candide is only able
> to cite a single instance — the Katyn Forest massacre — in support of
> this idiotic assertion.
>
> Nobody is saying that the Soviets were not capable of terrible
> deeds, including the fabrication of history. Remember the Cold War? Do
> you need to be reminded of what *that* was about? But the fact that the
> NKVD were unpleasant people does not make the Nazis magically clean and
> pure.
>
> Again, we have a reiteration of the endless lie about the Soviet
> secret police being “dominated almost entirely by jews.” (I assume the
> refusal to capitalize the word “Jew” is yet another attempt to degrade
> these people.) When will it end?
>
> This poster has, astonishingly and yet revealingly, characterized
> the Nazi criminals hanged a Nuremberg as “innocent victims”! I’d say
> this remark, all by itself, places Holocaust denial in its proper
> perspective.
>
> Holocaust denial is a moral evil, and has absolutely nothing to do
> with history, except in the sense of being a chapter of
> history-in-the-making. Will these bloody-minded, reprehensible racists
> be allowed, once again, to triumph? For the sake of my children, I hope
> not.

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Dear Mr or Mrs Kaspian

For the benefit of American readers let me explain that your less then
perfect command of English and your name Kaspian indicate that you are a
Soviet Jew most likely of Ukrainian origin (less likely Armenian) and
perhaps a Soviet dissident.

Thus

1) If SS would truly engage in mass killing of Jews in todays English
lingua franca we would call them exterminators not exterminationists.

For centuries extermination ment in English banishment of deportations : in
Latin ex means out and terminus means border.

But because Nazis were deporting Jews to concentration camps and forced
labor, the media dominated by the Jews changed the original meaning of
extermination into industrial murder.

I am sure you red Dubnovs History of Jews of Russia . It was translated in
1918 by the Jewish Publications Society of Philadelphia. It states that in
1880s Tsars tried to exterminate Jews to Siberia and America and
annihilated Jewish youth by forcing them into military service.

Also on February 9 1939 The NYT reported that Czech authorities were forced
to liquidate Jews who got in after 1918 and those subject to liquidation
could for six months appeal the order of the Nazi run Czech administration.

Korbels, carpet baggers from Poland and owners of matches factory tried to
avoid this lquidation by Catholic baptism. When this ruse did not work
they liqudiated themself to England and became Methodists. Thus poor
little Madleine did not know that they were Jewish along with her husband
Albright. Meaning of words change. Liquidation of Jews today means
industrial murder

But when Hitler in his January 1939 speach to the Reichstag given at the
opulent Berlin Opera House threatened with extermination (Ausrottung) of
Jewish race from Europe which try to stir another war, the Jewish editors
printed these words verbatim and they did not ruffle in them a single
comment or emotion.

Instead they praised him for the peaceful intetions and his refutal of any
quest for the German colonies in Africa.

Perhaps, you will say, on the other side of the ocean, the
Schulzbergers the American Jews and the owners of the NYT misread Hitlers
words.

But the Jews on the receiving end in the nearby Poland exulted in their
WArsaw papers e.g. Nasz Przeglad (Our Review) with a titles “Hitler
Ureguluje Eksterminacje Zydow” (Hitler Will Streamline Deportation of
Jews) refering to streamlining removal of Jewish illegal alliens from III
Reich who were lingering for months in transit camps in no man land between
borders of Poland and GErmany.

3) Finally if you are or are not Soviet dissident I want to assure you that
we revisionists are later-day dissidents smeared jailed and persecuted
assuaulted and assasinated like Volodymyr Katylnyckyj in Kyiv in July 1997

With this ending you will perhaps see some commonality between you and me
between you soviet Jews and us revisionists.

Shalom,

Polina

You should be happy that we try to reduce you mourning for the relatives of
yours who were not industrially murdered

[email protected] wrote:

> More fabrications: the words “Holocaustian” and “exterminationist.”
>
> The intent of these words, invented by Holocaust deniers, is perfectly
> clear: they are another means of shrugging off the moral baggage of
> mass murder, in this case by shifting the very *words* to describe this
> unprecedented crime — words that might properly describe a member of
> Himmler’s killing squads — onto their (current) enemies, the defenders
> of the historical record.
>
> Not for nothing, it seems, did Polin spend his/her formative years in
> the former Soviet Bloc. The techniques of propaganda must come
> naturally after all that time.
>
> Let’s be clear. There is NO SUCH THING as a “Holocaustian” or an
> “exterminationist,” unless it be an elderly SS man with blood on his
> hands. Even Holocaust deniers — who prefer to call themselves by the
> sanitized term “revisionists” — ought to make enough pretence, at
> least, of human decency not to apply unwanted, derogatory terms to
> decent human beings who are guilty of nothing but moral integrity.
>
> When will the horror end?

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My title is self explanatory

Polina

PS In addition they brough staged cremation pyres from Klooga camp as authentic

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> Candide <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> >
> >
> > Yale F.Edeiken wrote:
> > >
> > > polin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > who cares about [extorted] testimonies obtained
> > > > during Nuremberg trials?
> > >
> > > Anybody interested in the history of the period.
> > >
> > > But since you claim otherwise, please name a single prosecution
> witness
> > > whose testimony was “extorted” or a signle document named in the
> analysis
> > > of the nazi war against Christianity which was not proved to be
> authentic.
> >
> > It is a well known fact that most (if not all) of
> > the documents presented at Nuremberg trials
> > were fabricated by the NKVD – the Soviet
> > political police, dominated almost entirely by
> > jews.
>
> It is not only not a “well known fact” but an utter fabrication.
>
> The Soviets supplied almost no documents whatsoever and the majority of
> those they used in evidence were supplied to them by the US army.
>
> > The most notorious examples of those false
> > documents are the witness testimonies, the
> > forensic report and other evidence produced at
> > the trial of ten German officers accused of
> > murdering thousands of Polish POWs at the
> > Katyn Forest.
>
> You are wrong again. The Soviets presented no doucmentary evidence of the
> Katyn massacre and what evidence they did present was easily proven
> fraudulent to the Tribunal which did not credit it.
>
> I find it strange that the deniers of the Holocaust continually use the
> fact that the Tribunal was savvy enough to expose frauds as evidence that
> the Tribunal was incapable of determining what was fraudlulent or not.
>
> > Now, I have hardly any sympathy for the
> > hanged Germans who had no business
> > invading Poland at the first place,
>
> But you will lie for them
>
> > but in the
> > eyes of law, they were innocent victims
> > murdered in cold blood
>
> In the eyes of the law, the trial at Nuremberg was fair and honest and
> those found guilty were given a fair trial. There was no finding by the
> Tribunal that the Germans committed the Katyn Massacre. In fact the
> evidence presented BY THE DEFENSE was ambiguous. No person was, therefore,
> sentenced to death for the crime.
>
> > This but one example of seemingly endless list
> > of false documents used as testimony at
> > Nuremberg trials.
>
> Since you haven’t named one your list is not, as you claim, without end
> but without beginning.
>
> The ignorant statements you make presents another good reason why the
> Nuremberg trials should be studied. The garbage you pass off as “well
> known facts” will then be instantly recognized as such.
>
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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My title is self explanatory

Polina

PS In addition they brought staged photos cremation pyres from Klooga camp as
authentic

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

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Daniel Keren wrote:

> [Followup-To: alt.revisionism]
>
> polin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> # 1) Please do not be more Catholic than the Pope! … Do not be more Holocaustian
> # than USMM and Ken Mc Vay who complained to me that he could not get complete Belzec
> # Report.
>
> Didn’t Mr. McVay just post that he has the complete report?

About two weeks ago he did not have it. Do not obfuscate issue while you can ask him
directly and get authoritative answer

> # Snipetts available contradict the history of the Belzec camp of the last few
> # decades that all corpses were cremated and indicate that pedantic Germans were
> # careless at covering traces of their “crime” i.e. industrial murder of the Lemberg
> # (Lwow, Lviv) Jews. What you describe as huge seems to me as an usual cemetery
> # serving Nazi concentration camp.
>
> No, the remains indicate massive burning of corpses, and are up to 6.5 meters
> deep. This, and the area involved, indicate something rather different than
> a “usual cemetery”.

Experience shows that mass graves are dug only two meters deep in order to avoid building
retaining walls protecting diggers and preventing caving in before burial. If indeed
human remains were found at 6,5 meters (abouyt 20 feet) depth the upper layers were
undobutedly added during the last decade. In Treblinka II the mass grave was covered
with layer of concrete to prevent gold scavenging.

> # 2) I am astonished that you are an exegetic of the WW II Holocaust but you do not
> # proseletise. I thought you will be happy that I would return to the Faith for any
> # hard evidence reason, like the Saint Thomas. It seems that both the Judaism and
> # Holocaustianism are two not proseltizing religions.
>
> Whatever you’re injecting, it’s not doing you any good.
>
> # 3) You claim that you saw Hydrokop Report. I am again astonished. Directors of
> # the Musemum Krystyna Oleksy and mrg. Wroblewski several times in writting refused
> # access of the Polish HIstorical Society of Stamford CT to this most important
> # document of the Holocaust.
>
> What on earth is the “Polish HIstorical Society of Stamford CT”? A bunch of
> neo-Nazis, right?

Would you think that real Neo-Nazis would like to collaborate with you??? Of course they
would not because they hate the Jews. Revisionists do not because there are Jews among
us: Dr. Lilinethatl, Mr. Burg, David Cole, Efim Florisman (the Babi Yar man)

> # Are you fluent in Polish or they showed you autheniticated translation in English.
> # Or they just showed you a few drawings and the Polish text??
>
> The report is essentially a map, indicating the location of the holes, and what
> was found at each.

If you can provide me with the copy of this map I will pay up tro $100.00 although the
entire report consits of many pages.

Will you share with me the copy of this “map”???

> # I agree that in warm temperature cadavers bloat … due to bacterial putrefaction.
> # But in order for Eli Wiesel in Kyiv or Adolf Eichman in Lviv to see geysers of
> # blood the gasses would have to be released simultaneously, I am sure you will
> # agree.
>
> No.
>
> [Rest of rants from the twisted little neo-Nazi deleted]
>
> -Danny Keren.

PS: I sincerely appologize for rather tasteless humor. Seeing your justified
indignation on my “Haloween humor” I see that it was poor excuse and I appologize again.
Yes you were correct in deleating in and I thank you for you doing that. It was TOTALLY
inappropriate! Considering massive verbal abuse suffered by revisionists it was still
inappropriate
Polina
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British hangman should be in quotation marks since Hess was hanged a few years later
in Poland.

Do not prevaricate and disinforme with it readesrs but give verbatim citation from his
book admitting to toruturing Hoess!!

Do not misrepresent picture of handcuffed Hoess who looked cadaveric on the day of his
transfer to Polish authorities.

Explain why Hoess confessed to exxagerated 3,000,000 victims in his three year regin
at Auschwitz. Did he wish to be hanged three times or four times??

Polina

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
>
> > “Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:
> >
> > > polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > > <[email protected]>…
>
> > > > who cares about [extorted] testimonies obtained
> > > > during Nuremberg trials?
> > >
> > > Anybody interested in the history of the period.
> > >
> > > But since you claim otherwise, please name a single prosecution
> witness
> > > whose testimony was “extorted”
>
> > The British hangman and the interrogator of R. Hoess claimed in his
> recent book
> > that he was tortured.
>
> First, that is incorrect. The statement was made that when Hoess denied
> his identity he was struck in the face. The interrogator then went on to
> state that to get his statement they got Hoess drunk and kept him drunk.
> This was confirmed by Hoess’ memoirs. Pictures of Hoess exist when he was
> transferred to the American army less than a week after his “bveating.”
> His face is unmarked.
>
> Second, the “British hangman” made no such statement because he does not
> exist. After his testimony at Nuremberg Hoess was, pursuant to the Lonodn
> accord, transferred to Poland the the site of his crimes. He was held in a
> Polish prison, tried by a Polish court, and hanged by a Polish executioner.
>
> Third, Hoess was a not a witness for the presecution. Hoess was a DEFENSE
> witness called by Dr. Kurt Kaufmann who represented Ernst Kaltenbrunner to
> give testimony that was supposed to exonerate his client.
>
> I am amazed that anyone claiming to be a “researcher” on these trial would
> not know these simple facts.
>
> > > or a signle document named in the analysis
> > > of the nazi war against Christianity which was not proved to be
> authentic.
>
> > The above is incomprehensible to me.
>
> Then let me make it simple. Evidence was presented at Nuremberg about the
> persecution of Christian churchmen, both Catholic and Protestant. The
> evidence, as with most of the evidence at Nuremberg, was documentary in
> nature. You have claimed that forged documents were used to prove these
> crimes.
>
> NAME THEM!!!!
> –YFE
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at https://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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>>>Suppression of Christian churches by Nazis
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Dear Yale

I am not keen student of Nuremberg because I consider this as an apparent Salem
Massachusets trial; victors vengence not justice; a or the Farce and show trial on
soviet terms and style.

I did not mentioned forgery not in relation to persecution of Chruches but with
Katyn
and soap and Treblinka in mind (2,000,000 victim count in steam houses)

This answeres your barb.

Polina

“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:

> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
>
> > “Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:
> >
> > > polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > > <[email protected]>…
>
> > > > who cares about [extorted] testimonies obtained
> > > > during Nuremberg trials?
> > >
> > > Anybody interested in the history of the period.
> > >
> > > But since you claim otherwise, please name a single prosecution
> witness
> > > whose testimony was “extorted”
>
> > The British hangman and the interrogator of R. Hoess claimed in his
> recent book
> > that he was tortured.
>
> First, that is incorrect. The statement was made that when Hoess denied
> his identity he was struck in the face. The interrogator then went on to
> state that to get his statement they got Hoess drunk and kept him drunk.
> This was confirmed by Hoess’ memoirs. Pictures of Hoess exist when he was
> transferred to the American army less than a week after his “bveating.”
> His face is unmarked.
>
> Second, the “British hangman” made no such statement because he does not
> exist. After his testimony at Nuremberg Hoess was, pursuant to the Lonodn
> accord, transferred to Poland the the site of his crimes. He was held in a
> Polish prison, tried by a Polish court, and hanged by a Polish executioner.
>
> Third, Hoess was a not a witness for the presecution. Hoess was a DEFENSE
> witness called by Dr. Kurt Kaufmann who represented Ernst Kaltenbrunner to
> give testimony that was supposed to exonerate his client.
>
> I am amazed that anyone claiming to be a “researcher” on these trial would
> not know these simple facts.
>
> > > or a signle document named in the analysis
> > > of the nazi war against Christianity which was not proved to be
> authentic.
>
> > The above is incomprehensible to me.
>
> Then let me make it simple. Evidence was presented at Nuremberg about the
> persecution of Christian churchmen, both Catholic and Protestant. The
> evidence, as with most of the evidence at Nuremberg, was documentary in
> nature. You have claimed that forged documents were used to prove these
> crimes.
>
> NAME THEM!!!!
>
> –YFE
>
> The Holocaust History Project is at http://www.holocaust-history.org/
> The Nizkor Project is at https://nizkor.org/
> The Einsatzgruppen page is at http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/ (Page doesn`t exist)
> The Cybrary of the Holocaust is at http://www.remember.org/

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>>Geysers of blood in Lemberg
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Dear Grazyna,

The new title is self explanatory

Szczesc Boze (God Bless you in Polish)

>from Polina

Grazyna Lesniak wrote:

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PONIECKA wrote:

The reasons are simple and multiple

Both the First World War ‘holocaust’ of the ‘six million Jews and 800,000 Jewish
children’ and the WW II “Holocaust’ of 6,000,000 took place in Poland and
Ukraine

I wonder when our Pope will come with a statement condemning revisionists.

Revisonism is a gene which thanks to Pat Buchanan and persistent work and
sacrifices of handfull of individuals commited to the truth and not
martyrological mythology will not go back into bottle.

In 1996, Eli Zborowski the editor of the Martyrs and Resistance the official
publication of the WW II Holocaust survivors called the end of this century as
the “era of revisionism’

Todays revisionists are like the yeasterdays dissidents of the USSR

Polina

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“Yale F.Edeiken” wrote:
> polin <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>…
> > My title is self explanatory
>
> And once more displays your ignorance.
>
> The proof of the experimental attempts to make soap from human flesh was
> brought by the British based on evidence that they developed.

No one invented production of saponyfying agent from human or any protein.

Going back to your specific accusation about British developing the human-fat-soap
hoax, I think you are wrong or partially wrong.

Am I correct about this photograph??

In any case it is immaterial who delivered the evidence which is now accepted by
orthodox Holocaustian as fake and fabricated.

Polina
> > > > > > who cares about [extorted] testimonies obtained
> > > > > > during Nuremberg trials?
> > > > >
> > > > > Anybody interested in the history of the period.
> > > > >
> > > > > But since you claim otherwise, please name a single
> prosecution
> > > witness
> > > > > whose testimony was “extorted” or a signle document named in the
> > > analysis
> > > > > of the nazi war against Christianity which was not proved to be
> > > authentic.
> > > >
> > > > It is a well known fact that most (if not all) of
> > > > the documents presented at Nuremberg trials
> > > > were fabricated by the NKVD – the Soviet
> > > > political police, dominated almost entirely by
> > > > jews.
> > >
> > > It is not only not a “well known fact” but an utter
> fabrication.
> > >
> > > The Soviets supplied almost no documents whatsoever and the
> majority of
> > > those they used in evidence were supplied to them by the US army.
>
> But the fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> > > > The most notorious examples of those false
> > > > documents are the witness testimonies, the
> > > > forensic report and other evidence produced at
> > > > the trial of ten German officers accused of
> > > > murdering thousands of Polish POWs at the
> > > > Katyn Forest.
>
> > > You are wrong again. The Soviets presented no doucmentary
> evidence of the
> > > Katyn massacre and what evidence they did present was easily proven
> > > fraudulent to the Tribunal which did not credit it.
>
> But the fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> > > I find it strange that the deniers of the Holocaust continually
> use the
> > > fact that the Tribunal was savvy enough to expose frauds as evidence
> that
> > > the Tribunal was incapable of determining what was fraudlulent or not.
>
> But the fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> > > In the eyes of the law, the trial at Nuremberg was fair and
> honest and
> > > those found guilty were given a fair trial. There was no finding by
> the
> > > Tribunal that the Germans committed the Katyn Massacre. In fact the
> > > evidence presented BY THE DEFENSE was ambiguous. No person was,
> therefore, > > sentenced to death for the crime.
>
> The fake Pole did not answer this.
>
> > > > This but one example of seemingly endless list
> > > > of false documents used as testimony at
> > > > Nuremberg trials.
> > >
> > > Since you haven’t named one your list is not, as you claim,
> without end
> > > but without beginning.
>
> The fake Pole still has not provided any.
>
> > > The ignorant statements you make presents another good reason
> why the
> > > Nuremberg trials should be studied. The garbage you pass off as “well
> > > known facts” will then be instantly recognized as such.
>
> The fake Pole remains as ignorant as ever.

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Dear Yale,

You are using Madison Ave technique of asdvertising that falsity repeated 1,000
times becomes truth. It works for a long time as the tobacco industry is learning
today.

Indicdentally your evil Adolf Hitler did not some and advocated abstinence from it
because German physicians suspected decades before American physicians that smoking
causes cancer.

Polina

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