On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:41:55 GMT, [email protected] Daniel Keren
wrote:
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
># Danny boy, the pipes are callin you. Throwing in
># children, a terrible cry.
>Is this “physically impossible”?
># Heat given off when there is no source of heat.
>In winter, when you crowd a large number of people into
>a small room, are you saying that this room will not
>be considerably hotter than the surrounding?
># How can I thank you for another example of holohuggers
># idiocy? I never can.
>How can I thank you for proving, yet again, that
>Nazi apologists are as dumb as they go?
>Want to go back to the SS-men not being able to carry
>4 Kg of Zyklon up the ladder? As you claimed? As it would
>be “too heavy”?
>You’re a stupid piece of dreck. Didn’t I tell you
>this already?
Quite true, Jewboy.
Beyond that, I made no such claim about being too heave but the amount
is at least 6 kg for each of the two, to match the time frame
required.
>-Danny Keren.
>–
>In Message-ID: <[email protected]>, Matt Giwer
>suggested that documents about a “gas chamber” and “gassing cellar”
>in the Birkenau crematoriums didn’t count, as they were really due
>to “a morbid sense of humor” of the SS men who authored the documents.
========
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Subject: No fuel needed
From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:49:31 GMT
“MORGEN: These places were faked cloakrooms, and the person was given
a check at each
one so that the people believed that they would get their things back
… When the last one was in, the doors were shut and the gas was let
into the room. As soon as death had set in, the ventilators were
started. When the air could be breathed again, the doors were opened,
and the Jewish workers removed the bodies. By means of a special
procedure… they were burned in the open air without the use of
fuel.”
IMT XX – p. 494.
More Nazi physics at work.
I am certain our favorite chemist can explain this one.
On the other hand, why did they ever need any crematoria if they could
do this?
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:20:46 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:
> writes:
># Matt Giwer writes:
>## A revionist will never call you a name for questioning
>## what they post.
># Any fatbroads around to answer?
>And “jewboys”?
Rather I have not read that term here. But of interest to the Jews
the males are meaningless. It is only the “jewgirls” that matter.
The men are drones in a female dominated society.
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: revision v. holohugging
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On 16 Aug 1996 16:09:40 GMT, [email protected] (william c
anderson) wrote:
>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>: On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:20:46 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
>: wrote:
>:
>: > writes:
>: ># Matt Giwer writes:
>:
>: >## A revionist will never call you a name for questioning
>: >## what they post.
>:
>: ># Any fatbroads around to answer?
>:
>: >And “jewboys”?
>:
>: Rather I have not read that term here.
>Liar. You’ve USED that term here.
No. In fact I rather carefully keep away from terms that I do not
create such as holohugger.
>: But of interest to the Jews
>: the males are meaningless. It is only the “jewgirls” that matter.
>:
>: The men are drones in a female dominated society.
>Matt, must you keep posting on subjects of which you’re entirely
>ignorant?
All male Jews die off tomorrow and there is still a future full of
Jews. All female Jews die tomorrow and there are no more Jews in the
world.
Of course you could search around of “On Venus, have we got a Rabbi”
by William Tenn.
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:32:10 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
># Fuck Israel and Jews and the horse they rode in on.
>You f**k the horse.
>Watch out boys, two days from now he’ll claim he
>never wrote this. Like when on August 14 he called
>me “Jewboy” and now he denies having used that
>expression. He’s going down the tubes.
Why would I claim I did not write this?
On 19 Aug 1996 00:05:44 -0400, [email protected] (Kurt Stele) wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>>In article <[email protected]>, The Generalissimo
>> wrote:
>>> Thank you sara. This makes great sense to me. However you were wrong
>>> about the responses I got!!!! Wow most people I was answered by were
>>> calling me names and saying things like, “It was exclusively jews, Get
>>> lost racist”.
>>
>>I’m truly sorry to hear that.
>I’m sorry to hear that too;
>so are the people now sitting in German jail or who have spent time in
>jail for having so much as doubted the Holy Hollowcause,
>along with numerous German soldiers tried and executed in kangaroo courts
>for bogus crimes,
>as well as professors and professionals fired for in insisting on the
>freedom of historical inquiry,
>as well as several geriatric former German soldier hounded to the ends of
>the earth by frenzied and rabid jews screaming for their blood,
>– all based on a Lie.
>
>>You must understand, however, that this is an extremely emotional issue
>to
>>many poeple (and _I_ admit I can be one of them sometimes!).
>Gee do ya think emotion has at all clouded the reasoning of the
>holohuggers (assuming they had reasoning capacity to begin with),
>rendering them incapable of tolerating disbelief to their orthodoxy?
>>There are many of us who have lost relatives in the Holocaust, and there
>>are many “revisionists” who have mocked those deaths.
>Or rather, many who have been so imprudent as to demand -real- evidence
>for those deaths which holohuggers have repeatedly failed to produce,
>despite the substantial guilt-money they have extorted for their fish
>tale.
>
>>Matt Giwer, for instance, insists that you “cannot mourn something you
>>never had” (or words to that effect). He has “informed” us that we have a
>>problem because we mourn the deaths of relations we did not personally
>>know.
>You may know of a relative “killed in Europe during WWII” — but who
>doesn’t? Your burden is to prove the Holohoax -happened-, that the gas
>chambers existed and functioned, that the Reich had a plan to deliberately
>exterminate jews and that they in fact did it. The positive evidence for
>your Holohoax theory on the whole is at best threadbare and contradicts
>the overwhelming weight of the evidence which points to an entirely
>different conclusion — labor camps, not death camps.
>
>>There are a lot of trolls here who enjoy saying things like, “Hitler
>>didn’t do a good enough job.” There are a lot of Jew-haters here.
>but far more are those whom the holohuggers have reflexively labelled “jew
>haters” for heresy in questioning the Holy Hoax.
>
>>And there are some people who ask reasonable questions in a reasonable
>>way. I try, whenever possible, to respond to those reasonable people —
>IN
>>PUBLIC — so that they won’t be afraid to continue discussions.
>Holohuggers can speak in public because they aren’t in danger of reprisal,
>harrassment, or imprisonment for their belief. Gee, how brave of you
>holohuggers to speak in public. You guys are regular Ernst Zundels.
>
>>I’ve also received my share of hate e-mail, believe me. I throw it all
>>away, and refuse to debate ANYONE via e-mail. If people want to discuss
>>these issues, we can ALL do it by the light of day, in public.
>Although the revisionist who speaks out publicly can stand to lose his
>job, unlike the holohugger, at least in the U.S. -legally- he can still
>openly express doubt about the Holohoax. These people are the epitome of
>tolerance ain’t they?
>>Again, I am sorry you received some unpleasant mail. It does happen.
>>Believe it or not, there are lots of people — on BOTH sides of this
>issue
>>– who can be jerks at times.
>A holohugger unpleasant?
>
>>If you have other questions, please post them here.
>ok
>
>>Sara
>my first question: why are holohuggers are so irrational
Because they are holohuggers of course. They have a belief and
therefore everything must support the belief.
Consider for the moment that I have driven off of this discussion any
and all consideration that there was any Promised Land or any Moses
for that matter. It was quite common before I attacked the fantasy.
Of course now the holohuggers claim they were never here and in fact
deny they ever made the ridiculous claim if you ask them.
What I will do will not be singlehanded again. I need the help of
others who know how stupid this gassing claim is.
The worst I have against me is that I took over this conference
(posted by one, emailed by another showing colusion) as an accusation
but the accusation is that I made is a forum for shooting down the
absurdities and the impossibles the holohuggers believe implicitely.
And now we find that McVay is only personally listed on the DOD
server.
So what is the point of all of this? That we must support the
destruction of the homes of the families of the suspects in Israeli
occupied territorry?
They gassed me six times but I got better supports such barbaric
treatement of Palestinian families and their homes?
Fuck Israel and Jews and the horse they rode in on.
That is not civilized behavior in any manner in this universe and this
century. But anyone claiming that is is needs to defend it.
That appears to be what you are supporting.
>-Danny Keren.
>In Message-ID: <[email protected]>, Matt Giwer
>suggested that documents about a “gas chamber” and “gassing cellar”
>in the Birkenau crematoriums didn’t count, as they were really due
>to “a morbid sense of humor” of the SS men who authored the documents.
Whois Ken McVay?
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From [email protected] Mon Sep 23 17:16:44 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A Lame Nazi Apologetic (Re: The SS-Guilty as Charged?)
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On 20 Sep 1996 07:38:49 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>> [email protected] writes:
>>
>> # I have seen photos of prisoners in 1945 who look relatively
>> # well fed at both Dachau and Buchenwald..
>>
>> No, they look *dead*, not *fed*.
>Thousands did indeed die, and thousands survived.
>>
>> A little “revisionism” there, nazi-boy?
>Ah, resorting to the tactics of the desperate. How would you like
>it if I called you “Jew-boy”? I know you would like it Danny, because
>then you would not have to worry about replying to my posts. You could
>simply call me “anti-Semite”, which has the same connotation as “Abracadabra”
>and hope I will go away. Sorry to disappoint you, for I am not an anti-Semite, but
>you’ll keep looking……
In fact I did call him jew-boy but only after he started calling me nazi-boy.
His sanctimony was righteous and still is when gets around to his bi-weekly
mention of it. He sounds so innocent when he tells his half of the story.
>> Look at the photos in
>>
>> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images/
>>
>> buchenwald04.jpg shows German civilians living nearby,
>> who were brought by the Allies to witness the horrors
>> of Buchenwald.
>>
>> Contrast their appearance to that of the inmates:
>>
>> buchenwald01.jpg
>> buchenwald02.jpg
>> buchenwald03.jpg
>>
>> See also
>>
>> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/Belsen/images/
>>
>> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/Nordhausen/images/
>Dan, I have seen them all. Yet these images of the dead and dying
>were the only ones distributed to the world, while the healthier appearing
>inmates were ignored. We have all seen these images and I have
>already posted my opinion about it. By the way, the camps which
>were reopened by the Poles and Soviets who interred innocent
>Germans were no better than Belsen. Two wrongs are still two
>wrongs. Also, as proven by the following : On page 95 of
>”The Belsen Trial” one of the British Interrogators who liberated
>Belsen was asked: “Was any effort made to obtain people who would
>speak in defence of the accused?” -“No……”
>And that about sums it up.
>A few final comments: When the camp was liberated, the British found
>13,000 corpses and approximately 40,000 living inmates, of which 17,000
>were ill from a variety of causes. Fortunately, most of the people who were
>liberated survived, and most of them left rapidly after the camp’s liberation.
>Also, you neglect to state the following on page 32: “There was a small
>compound of children who were in fairly good condition, and obviously the
>women had sacrificed themselves to look after them.” This, at least, is
>something good to report in spite of the horrors throughout the rest of the
>camp. This is a good example of what I refer to as both sides of this issue
>refusing to budge an inch. The children should NEVER have been there
>in the first place, but at least they were in relatively good condition when the
>camp was liberated, and THAT is something to be thankful for.
But even there, there is a third side to the story. Civilians and cities were
fair game for allied bombing. The camps were not. Given the choice of leaving
the children with relatives or taking them with …
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In article <[email protected]>,
Matt Giwer wrote:
>On 24 Sep 1996 03:19:52 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
>wrote:
>
>>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>
>>: In fact I did call him jew-boy but only after he started
>>: calling me nazi-boy.
>
>>And then you lied about it, claiming you’d never used the term
>>”jew-boy”.
>
> The thread was that I had started the exchange.
>I merely denied starting it
>rather than repeating one more time what all the holohuggers knew, that Keren
>had started it.
>
Another lie. Search DejaNews filtering alt.revisionism and searching
for the quoted phrase “questioning what they post.” Start with Matt
Giwer’s article of 8/12/96. Matt Giwer claimed “A revionist [sic] will
never call you a name for questioning what they post.” Period. Nothing
about being the _first_ to call a name. Then search on “jewboys” and look
at Mr. Giwer’s article from 8/17/96, message id
<[email protected]>.
>: Rather I have not read that term here.
>Liar. You’ve USED that term here.
No. In fact I rather carefully keep away from terms that I do not
create such as holohugger.
This is not a denial of starting it. It is a denial of using it at
all.
Matt Giwer is caught lying yet again.
Only a very stupid person would continue to lie about the history of
posts in the newsgroup when he knows how easily DejaNews can be used to
expose his dishonesty.
Yet Matt Giwer continues to lie about the history of posts in the
newsgroup.
The conclusion is left as an exercise to the reader.
>>Now you’ll lie about that, and claim you never claimed you never
>>used the term. After a few more iterations, you’ll most likely
>>explode.
>
> Rather it has been the pleasure of the holohuggers to claim I started
>the name calling. It has also been their pleasure to remove messages
>from context in order to distort their meaning.
Note that Mr. Giwer yet again gives no references.
For articles exposing Mr. Giwer doing exactly what he accuses others
of doing, see
https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/
dishonest-text-deletion.html
https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-hcn-not-cw.html
Then of course there is the way Mr. Giwer did it to the Wannsee Protocol –
search alt.revisionism on DejaNews for the phrase
“Please note that the discussion of sterilization” and read the one
article of mine from 6/5/96 which comes up.
He also did it to my article discussing his dishonest reading. Search
DejaNews for the phrase “in the right context,” and see my article of
6/8/96. Then read Mr. Giwer’s followup where he carefully and deceptively
cut out the very valid point about the wording of a proposed law.
> And of course you are knowingly doing that again here. I never expect
>honesty from holohuggers but I do get tired of the repetition of pointing
>out their lies.
Rather funny, given that he has yet to point out one with evidence.
Yet he never gets tired of repeating lies.
Matt Giwer is a liar. He even admits it himself.
https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html
https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html
Since Mr. Giwer cannot refute any of this carefully documented
evidence, I psychically predict he will repost his spam of the ‘whois’ on
Ken McVay.
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