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The following propaganda is Copyright 1997 Ingrid Rimland, posted in the
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———— BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ————

April 12, 1997

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

It has been said that consistent truth must be pursued and treated as a
love affair, not stripped naked in one-night stands by media jackals
spewing words such as “Final Solution” to hurt the reputation of the
long-maligned German people.

So here’s a bit of truth in the appropriate spirit:

Let us assume that Adolf Hitler – or even one of his Third Reich advisors
or authors – had written in 1941:

“. . . There remains then but one mode of ridding the world forever of Jews
– and that is to stem the source from which issue those warlusted souls, by
preventing the people of Judah from ever again reproducing their kind.

“This modern method, known to science as Eugenic Sterilization, is at once
practical, humane and thorough. Sterilization has become a byword of
science, as the best means of ridding the human race of its misfits: the
degenerate, the insane, the hereditary criminal . . . ”

Can’t you just hear the howl? The world would not ever have heard the end
of it! German thinkers like Rosenberg were hanged at Nuremberg for far
less than that.

But what if I told you that, unlike the non-existent “Final Solution” the
Germans were supposed to have cooked up to get rid of the Jews, there
existed a serious blueprint for a “Final Solution” an American Jew proposed
to kill the German people from which the above quotes were taken? Just
substitute “German” for “Jew” and “Germany” for Judah – and you have the
original! I am holding it right in my hand.

In a book first copyrighted in 1941, just before the US declared war on
Germany, Theodore N. Kaufman, an American Jewish activist who headed his
own “Peace Organization” in the 1930s and who was a friend of Roosevelt’s
speech writer, Sam Rosenman, delivered himself of the following:

“. . . Not only must there be no more German wars in fact, there must not
even remain the slightest possibility of one ever again occurring. A final
halt to German aggression, not a temporary cessation, must be the goal of
the present struggle . . . (Germany) must be prepared to pay a Total
Penalty. And there is one, and only one, such Total Penalty: Germany must
perish forever! In fact – not in fancy.”

The title of the Kaufman book, published by Argyle Press just before
Christmas 1941, was also its principal message: “Germany Must Perish.”
Kaufman promoted this book by mailing pop-up coffins for the Germans to the
US media.

In a chapter called “Death to Germany”, the Kaufman genocidal blueprint for
the Germans was described as follows:

“We must. . . allow to the state the right to make away with men who are
undoubtedly injurious to the common weal . . . The ultimate problems of the
moral life are to be solved in the domain of the practical, not of the
theoretical reason.

“The conscience of every earnest man demands that blood be atoned by blood,
and the common man must simply grow doubtful of the existence of justice on
earth, if this last and highest punishment is not inflicted.

“The state makes itself ridiculous and contemptible if it cannot finally
dispose of a criminal. There must be a limit for mercy and indulgence, as
for the law, a last limit at which the State says: ‘This is the end;
humanity is no longer possible here.’

“It must be possible to inflict at last a punishment beyond which there is
nothing, and that is the punishment of death.

“There remains now but to determine the best way, the most practical and
expeditious manner in which the ultimate penalty must be levied upon the
German nation.

“Quite naturally, massacre and wholesale execution must be ruled out. In
addition to being impractical when applied to a population of some seventy
million, such methods are inconsistent with the moral obligation and
ethical practices of civilization . . .

“Sterilization is not to be confused with castration. It is a safe and
simple operation, quite harmless and painless, neither mutilating nor
unsexing the patient. Its effects are most often less distressing than
vaccination and no more serious than a tooth extraction.

“Too, the operation is extremely rapid, requiring no more than ten minutes
to complete. The patient may resume his work immediately afterwards.

“Even in the case of the female the operation, though taking longer to
perform, is as safe and simple. Performed thousands of times, no records
indicate cases of complication or death.

“When one realizes that such health measures as vaccinations and serum
treatments are considered as direct benefits to the community, certainly
sterilization of the German people cannot but be considered a great health
measure promoted by humanity to immunize itself forever against the virus
of Germanism.

“The population of Germany. . . (is) almost equally divided between male
and female. To achieve the purpose of German extinction, it would be
necessary to sterilize some 48,000,000 – a figure which excludes, because
of their limited power to procreate, males over 60 years, and females over
45.

“Concerning the males subject to sterilization, the army groups, as
organized units, would be the easiest and quickest to deal with. Taking
20,000 surgeons as an arbitrary number and on the assumption that each will
perform a minimum of 25 operations daily, it would take no more than one
month, at the maximum, to complete their sterilization.

Naturally, the more doctors available, and many more than the 20,000 we
mention would be available considering all the nations to be drawn upon,
the less time would be required. The balance of the male civilian
population of Germany could be treated within three months.

“Inasmuch as sterilization of women needs somewhat more time, it may be
computed that the entire female population of Germany could be sterilized
within a period of three years or less. Complete sterilization of both
sexes, and not only one, is to be considered necessary in view of the
present German doctrine that so much as one drop of true German blood
constitutes a German.

“Of course, after complete sterilization, there will cease to be a birth
rate in Germany. . . execution of the plan would in no way disorganize the
present population nor would it cause any sudden mass upheavals and
dislocations. The consequent gradual disappearance of the Germans from
Europe will leave no more negative effect upon that continent than did the
gradual disappearance of the Indians upon this.

“Here again, a German attests to this point, Spengler’s famous: ‘A nation
or an individual may die and leave no gap.’

(end of excerpt)

Now you know what a planned “Final Solution” looks like. You learned it
from the Zundelsite – and is it any wonder they want to censor us ?

This document exists – unlike the utterly fictitious “Hitler document” and
the alleged Fuehrer order for the “extermination” of the Jews, a lie
forever laid to rest in the Great Holocaust Trials of Ernst Zundel in 1985
and 1988.

The Morgenthau Plan, which was to starve out post-war Germany, was merely a
watered-down version of the fiendish Kaufman Plan – and Ilya Ehrenburg’s
exhortations to kill the Germans wherever they were found was merely the
Soviet equivalent of it.

The plain, unvarnished truth: A whole nation, the German nation, was
singled out to be neutered to extinction – and, what is much, much worse,
this neutering was carried out, with one small difference: it was lobotomy
of spirit, mind, pride, character – and memory.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

“They can make dung smell like roses and vice versa.”

(Dr. Gordon L. Ginn in “Strong Delusion”)

 

 

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From: [email protected] (Rich Graves)
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Subject: Re: 970412: The Kaufman Plan
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Kaufman’s pamphlet is a regular straw man for these folks. Some background
and previous articles on the subject are at:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/k/kaufman.theodore.nathan

Perhaps this thread should be added there.

In article <[email protected][204.212.157.52]>, Nazi propagandist
Ingrid Rimland wrote:
>Let us assume that Adolf Hitler – or even one of his Third Reich advisors
>or authors – had written in 1941:

Actually, he and his criminal co-conspirators did write quite a bit like
the following, and worse, many years before 1941. It is in
counterproductive reaction to that crackpot hate-mongering that Kaufman’s
crackpot hate-mongering emerged.

>”. . . There remains then but one mode of ridding the world forever of Jews
>- and that is to stem the source from which issue those warlusted souls, by
>preventing the people of Judah from ever again reproducing their kind.

Ms. Rimland is paraphrasing starting from the middle of the last paragraph
on page 86 of Kaufman’s book. As ghastly as Kaufman’s book is, Ingrid is
exaggerating a bit — the original reads “ridding the world forever of
Germanism,” so a more faithful straw man would be “ridding the world
forever of Zionism.”

In any event, of course, when Kaufman spoke of getting rid of Germanism,
he meant German people; and when Ingrid speaks of Zionism, she means
Jewish people.

>”This modern method, known to science as Eugenic Sterilization, is at once
>practical, humane and thorough. Sterilization has become a byword of
>science, as the best means of ridding the human race of its misfits: the
>degenerate, the insane, the hereditary criminal . . . ”
>
>Can’t you just hear the howl? The world would not ever have heard the end
>of it! German thinkers like Rosenberg were hanged at Nuremberg for far
>less than that.

Whatever his ancestry, I don’t think it’s fair to call him “German.” He
certainly wasn’t much of a “thinker.” He was arguably eligible for one or
more of Hitler’s euthanasia programs.

Rosenberg was born in Estonia (a part of the Russian Empire in 1893), fled
deeper into Russian territory to avoid the advancing German armies (see
Milosz, *Native Realm*, for the way a rational human being — i.e., not
Rosenberg — reacted), and was an architecture student in Moscow until the
Bolshevik Revolution. His first language was Russian. He read the
Protocols of the Elders of Zion forgery in the original Russian and became
a confirmed anti-Semite in Moscow in the summer of 1917. Rosenberg fled
the Bolshevik Revolution in 1918, and when his home town was captured by
the Germany army, he tried to enlist with them. They rejected him because
they didn’t trust Russians. Rosenberg didn’t move to Munich until 1919,
when he was 26 years old. He was probably an illegal immigrant to Germany.

In addition to his ideological role, Rosenberg could be considered a war
criminal because of his leadership of the NSDAP while Hitler was
imprisoned; his role in bringing Quisling and Hitler together; his role in
looting art works from France; and his role as Reichsminister for the
occupied eastern territories.

>But what if I told you that, unlike the non-existent “Final Solution” the
>Germans were supposed to have cooked up to get rid of the Jews, there
>existed a serious blueprint for a “Final Solution” an American Jew proposed
>to kill the German people from which the above quotes were taken?

I’d say you’re a crackpot hate-monger, but then, we already knew that.
(Your best work remains the “Yahooligans Conspiracy” delusion of about a
year ago.) A 104-page paranoid rant hardly qualifies as a “blueprint.” If
you’d like to see the actual blueprints for the gas chambers at Auschwitz,
on the other hand, we have those.

>Just substitute “German” for “Jew” and “Germany” for Judah – and you have
>the original! I am holding it right in my hand.

It’s “Germanism,” not “German.” I’ve got the book, too. It’s a slim
104-page self-published pamphlet that sold for 25 cents (the price is
printed on the front cover). Hmm. The Time review
<URL:http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/k/kaufman.theodore.nathan/press/time-review-perish-194103>
suggests that the price was $1. I guess he slashed the price for the
second edition due to lack of interest.

>In a book first copyrighted in 1941, just before the US declared war on
>Germany, Theodore N. Kaufman, an American Jewish activist who headed his

I don’t think Kaufman ever made a point of his Jewishness. There’s nothing
about it in his book or in most of the negative reviews thereof. There’s
only a mention in the Time review. He’s no more a Jewish activist than,
say, I am. (The Zundelsite says I’m a Jewish activist, too. Actually, I’m
Catholic, which is not the same thing — just ask Torquemada.)

>own “Peace Organization” in the 1930s

According to Time, Kaufman’s first idea was to sterilize just about
everybody because people are too warlike.

>and who was a friend of Roosevelt’s
>speech writer, Sam Rosenman,

This is something I’ve never heard before, not even from Goebbels and
Irving. Doesn’t seem bloody likely if you ask me.

> delivered himself of the following:
>
>”. . . Not only must there be no more German wars in fact, there must not
>even remain the slightest possibility of one ever again occurring. A final
>halt to German aggression, not a temporary cessation, must be the goal of
>the present struggle . . . (Germany) must be prepared to pay a Total
>Penalty. And there is one, and only one, such Total Penalty: Germany must
>perish forever! In fact – not in fancy.”

This is an egregious misquote of what appears on pages 6-7 of Kaufman’s
book. It’s astonishing that while by all accounts Kaufman’s book is
disgusting (the Time review calls it “the first appearance of the
Streicher mind in the U.S.” which, despite Ingrid’s affection for
Streicher, was not meant to be flattering), Ingrid feels the need to make
it sound even worse than it really is. Here she has the closes thing to a
real-live propaganda prop in her hand, and she can’t even be honest about
what it says.

>The title of the Kaufman book, published by Argyle Press just before

“Argyle Press” does not exist. The pamphlet (it’s not really fair to call
it a book) was self-published. Just like “Focal Point.”

>Christmas 1941, was also its principal message: “Germany Must Perish.”

Amazing. Even in the smallest details, Ingrid is incorrect. If February is
“just before Christmas,” then I wonder what calendar Ingrid is using. The
correct title is “GERMANY MUST PERISH!” (Kaufman, always the kook,
insisted on the exclamation point).

>Kaufman promoted this book by mailing pop-up coffins for the Germans to the
>US media.

According to the Time review
<URL:http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/k/kaufman.theodore.nathan/press/time-review-perish-194103>
this is true.

>In a chapter called “Death to Germany”, the Kaufman genocidal blueprint for
>the Germans was described as follows:
>
>”We must. . . allow to the state the right to make away with men who are
>undoubtedly injurious to the common weal . . . The ultimate problems of the
>moral life are to be solved in the domain of the practical, not of the
>theoretical reason.

As much as I hate to defend Kaufman the crackpot hate-monger, Ingrid’s
utter dishonesty here cannot be left unanswered. The text Ingrid cites
appears on page 85 of Kaufman’s pamphlet, in quotation marks. These are
not Kaufman’s words. He is quoting Heinrich von Treitschke, about whom the
Encyclopaedia Britannica says:

| Treitschke was a proponent of authoritarian power politics and a
| vociferous herald of the unity of Germany through Prussian might.
| Treitschke believed that the state should be the centre of the lives
| lives of its citizens and that it should be headed by authoritarian
| rulers without the check of a parliament. He held that Germany was
| the true heir of the Holy Roman Empire; thus he pressed for its rise
| to the status of a great imperialist power. He disparaged western
| European liberalism and took an equally skeptical view of
| democracy in North America…. Treitschke’s admiration for the early
| Hohenzollerns and his hatred of Prince von Metternich and the English
| are evident in his magnum opus, Deutsche Geschichte im 19. Jahrhundert,
| 5 vol. (1879-94; Treitschke’s History of Germany in the Nineteenth
| Century), which covers the period from 1800 to 1848.

Kaufman’s rant is about as poorly written and difficult to read as
Hitler’s Main Kampf, but shorter and less bloodthirsty. They’re both
interesting as historical documents, but neither is at all representative
of “their people.”

Fortunately, unlike Hitler’s and Rosenberg’s, Kaufman’s insane hatred
never caught on. For a good overview of what the Western Allies really
felt about the treatment of postwar Germany, I recommend Donald F. Lauch’s
bibliographical essay “What *they* would do about Germany,” *The Journal
of Modern History*, Vol. 17, No. 3 (Sep. 1945), pp. 227-243. Lauch’s brief
dismissal of Kaufman is the only mention of Kaufman I could find in any
peer-reviewed journal. Lauch’s take and mine:

| It is not remarkable that Goebbels was able to use so effectively a
| translation of this book to bolster Germany’s wavering morale after the
| disasters in Russia. Kaufman’s attitude of unlimited *revanche* is
| fortunately not characteristic of the other works here reviewed. His
| apparent belief that elimination of Germany as a nation would be a
| positive step toward the abolition of war (p. 19) is presented without
| logical or historical data to give it substance. The book leaves the
| impression of being little more than indulgence in dire vituperation by
| a man who sees Germany as the sole cause of the world’s woes.

Me, I don’t confuse Germans and Nazis. Only Ingrid, Zundel, and their
fellow cultists do.

-rich
http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/

 

 

 

From: [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy)
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Subject: Re: 970412: The Kaufman Plan
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In article <[email protected][204.212.157.52]>,
[email protected], [email protected] wrote:

[Ingrid Rimland <[email protected]> is (mis)quoting Kaufman]

> “This modern method, known to science as Eugenic Sterilization, is at once
> practical, humane and thorough. Sterilization has become a byword of
> science, as the best means of ridding the human race of its misfits: the
> degenerate, the insane, the hereditary criminal . . . ”

> “Sterilization is not to be confused with castration. It is a safe and
> simple operation, quite harmless and painless, neither mutilating nor
> unsexing the patient.

[Rimland’s commentary]

> Now you know what a planned “Final Solution” looks like. You learned it
> from the Zundelsite – and is it any wonder they want to censor us ?

If you were paying attention, you learned it from the Nizkor Project.
We’ve had commentary on Kaufman’s horrid little book on our site since
last September.

And a _little_ book it was. It was derided in the public press and
called “grisly”; its author was mocked as “Sterilizer Kaufman.”

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/k/kaufman.theodore.nathan/press/time-review-perish-194103

It is, of course, the work of a crackpot. There are crackpots
everywhere. The only question is whether this particular crackpot held
any power to ensure that his crackpot ideas could come to pass. Here we
come to the most important part of this Zgram — the part where Ingrid
Rimland stops (mis)quoting and simply makes an unsupported assertion:

> The Morgenthau Plan, which was to starve out post-war Germany, was merely a
> watered-down version of the fiendish Kaufman Plan

Nonsense. They had nothing to do with each other. Kaufman was a lone
nut. As Time magazine pointed out in their review, the book was:

“Strictly a one-man job” (he claims he has no organization, no
help, no backers), it was worked on for four months. Then he
founded the Argyle Press to publish it.

Holding the Allies responsible for the words of Sterilizer Kaufman is
like holding the U.S. Government responsible for the treatises of the
Unabomber.

But then, the Zundelsite has always excellent at assigning collective
guilt.

> The plain, unvarnished truth: A whole nation, the German nation, was
> singled out to be neutered to extinction – and, what is much, much worse,
> this neutering was carried out, with one small difference: it was lobotomy
> of spirit, mind, pride, character – and memory.

This attempt to equate physical sterilization with an alleged
metaphysical “lobotomy” is horribly offensive. It is an insult to the
hundreds of thousands of people who really _were_ sterilized, by the
German government, in the 1930s and 1940s. The victims of this program
were chiefly the mentally disabled.

The below is from Henry Friedlander’s excellent book, _The Origins of
Nazi Genocide: from euthanasia to the final solution_, 1995, p. 30.

Although exact figures on the number of persons sterilized after
1936 are not available, it is generally agreed that at least
300,000 persons were sterilized during the years preceding World
War II. During the war, when euthanasia largely replaced
sterilization as a means to control so-called inferiors
(_Minderwertige_), sterilization was devalued; still, an
estimated additional 75,000 persons were probably sterilized after
1939, including those in areas recently incorporated into the
German Reich: Austria, Sudetenland, Danzig, and Memel. ^36
Although the sterilization law was not implemented in the
Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, German citizens residing in
the Protectorate were transferred to the incorporated Sudetenland
for the sterilization operation. ^37 The conservative figure of
about 375,000 persons sterilized is still very high, representing
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
about .5 percent of the German population. ^38

For a fuller quote, including a statistical breakdown of the figures
from 1934-1936, and of course the footnotes, please see

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/f/friedlander.henry/sterilization-statistics-01

And for those who (like Mr. Zundel and Ms. Rimland) usually don’t care
to look up the facts, here is the gist of it.

Persons unwillingly sterilized thanks to the Nazis: about 375,000

Persons unwillingly sterilized thanks to Sterilizer Kaufman: 0

Posted to alt.revisionism; emailed to Ernst Zundel c/o Ingrid Rimland.

Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
[email protected] Director of Operations, The Nizkor Project

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Rich “Jew apologist” Graves “debunks” direct Jew quote:

>As is true of every “Zundelgram,” the referenced article was
>originally posted to and debunked in the appropriate newsgroups,
>alt.revisionism and alt.fan.ernst-zundel…

I have a copy of the book, _Germany Must Perish_ by the genocidal
“American” Jew, Kaufman. The quotes as attributed are accurate:

“There remains now but to determine the best way, the most practical
and expeditious manner in which the ultimate penalty must be levied
upon the German nation.

“Quite naturally, massacre and wholesale execution must be ruled out.
In addition to being impractical when applied to a population of some
seventy million, such methods are inconsistent with the moral
obligation and ethical practices of civilization . . .

“Sterilization is not to be confused with castration. It is a safe
and simple operation, quite harmless and painless, neither mutilating
nor unsexing the patient. Its effects are most often less distressing
than vaccination and no more serious than a tooth extraction.

“Too, the operation is extremely rapid, requiring no more than ten
minutes to complete. The patient may resume his work immediately
afterwards.

“Even in the case of the female the operation, though taking longer to
perform, is as safe and simple. Performed thousands of times, no
records indicate cases of complication or death.

“When one realizes that such health measures as vaccinations and serum
treatments are considered as direct benefits to the community,
certainly sterilization of the German people cannot but be considered
a great health measure promoted by humanity to immunize itself forever
against the virus of Germanism.

“The population of Germany. . . (is) almost equally divided between
male and female. To achieve the purpose of German extinction, it
would be necessary to sterilize some 48,000,000 – a figure which
excludes, because of their limited power to procreate, males over 60
years, and females over 45.

“Concerning the males subject to sterilization, the army groups, as
organized units, would be the easiest and quickest to deal with.
Taking 20,000 surgeons as an arbitrary number and on the assumption
that each will perform a minimum of 25 operations daily, it would take
no more than one month, at the maximum, to complete their
sterilization.

Naturally, the more doctors available, and many more than the 20,000
we mention would be available considering all the nations to be drawn
upon, the less time would be required. The balance of the male
civilian population of Germany could be treated within three months.

“Inasmuch as sterilization of women needs somewhat more time, it may
be computed that the entire female population of Germany could be
sterilized within a period of three years or less. Complete
sterilization of both sexes, and not only one, is to be considered
necessary in view of the present German doctrine that so much as one
drop of true German blood constitutes a German.

“Of course, after complete sterilization, there will cease to be a
birth rate in Germany. . . execution of the plan would in no way
disorganize the present population nor would it cause any sudden mass
upheavals and dislocations. The consequent gradual disappearance of
the Germans from Europe will leave no more negative effect upon that
continent than did the gradual disappearance of the Indians upon
this.”
—-end genocidal Jew quotes—-

So, Graves, the professional liar for the Jew “Nizkor” group has
“debunked” direct quotes by presumably saying that Kaufman’s words
were never uttered. He probably says that Mr. Roosevelt, Morganthau et
al. did not work in the interest of world Jewry also.

I live for the day when professional liars and Jew apologists like
Graves have nowhere to hide in America. Sterilization of his type is
too humane a solution for his crimes against my people.

WWW <www.natvan.com>

 

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From: [email protected] (Rich Graves)
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Subject: Re: David Irving bashes Internet; Ausrottung and Kaufman
Date: 13 Sep 1996 12:25:43 -0700
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[email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
>[email protected] (Rich Graves) wrote:
>
>> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>
>> >Please quote at least the entire sentence in which David describes the
>> >internet as a cesspool.
[…]
>
>How about:
>
> Cyber Cesspit
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> I now know that by early February this year The Shallit Report,
> a newsletter published on the computer Internet […]
>
>Cesspit, cesspool, close enough.
>
> The two hour phone-in programme is rumbustious and amusing,
> particularly a lady caller named Hilary who has in front of her the
> Immigration Adjudicator’s Þnding against me in Ontario in Nov. 1992,
> having downloaded it off the Internet; I ask her to think Who put it
> on the Internet in the first place. Not Canada Immigration!
> The Internet: a cyber-cesspool of lies about innocent people.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>(Yes, that was Hilary Ostrov, by the way.)
>
> It was faxed to me from the other side of the world by somebody who
> retrieved it from the Internet. I am not on the Net, which I regard
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> as a poisonous cesspit of stale and ftid information;
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>All this and more at http://www.codoh.com/irving/irvactrprt796.html .

I apologize to Kurt Stele and Mr. Irving for possibly mishearing “cesspit”
as “cesspool.” If the people who audiotaped Mr. Irving’s appearance ever
get back to me about my request for a copy of the tape, we will be able to
confirm my error.

>> The most glaring lie concerned Time Magazine’s review of Kaufman’s book.
>
>Could you elaborate on this, Mr. Graves? (If you did already, I must
>have missed it the first time around. Sorry.)

No, you missed nothing; I just haven’t finished writing it. This one is
*good*, and has some other implications. For example, going through
Irving’s footnotes, I find citations for Kaufman’s book, Goebbels’
diaries, and propaganda pieces seeking to capitalize on Kaufman’s book
(Irving says Goebbels printed a million copies of a translated/edited copy
of Kaufman’s book in order to inflame SS passions against the Jews), but
so far I have not found a citation for the actual Time review. It is
unclear to me whether Mr. Irving has even read the Time review; he may
have just taken Goebbels’ word for it, which in my opinion shows
shockingly poor scholarship.

Also of interest to you would be footnote 38 to chapter 42 of Irving’s
_Goebbels_. You can find the footnote (endnote, actually) on page 640. It
reads:

| 38 Unpubl. diary, Aug 3, 1941. Adolf Eichmann wrote in his notes in
| 1956 or 1957, ‘Kaufman’s plan for the complete Ausrottung of the German
| people was known to us at the time when the first order was given for
| the physical destruction of the Jews’ (original typescript in the
| author’s possession).

As you know, Kaufman’ prescription, described as “grisly” in a negative
review in Time (which Irving, citing Goebbels, claims was a positive
review), was genocide. As you also know, various revisionists, including
Irving, have argued that Ausrottung does not mean genocide, and that no
order was given for the physical destruction of the Jews.

I wonder why Irving buried this interesting information in an endnote.

Posted and emailed to Mr. McCarthy and to the Ehrlich pseudonym, who has
also posted on the Ausrottung question.

-rich