On 15 Oct 1995, John Q. Public wrote:
> wotan wrote:
> >
> >On 15 Oct 1995, John Q. Public wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> from your original post that started this thread:
> >>
> >> “By boycotting minority-owned businesses, and forcing our local
> >> governments to do the same when contracting and hiring consult-
> >> ants (This will require Congressional reversal of the 1965 “Civil
> >> Rights” act _first_, the “litmus-test” for congressional election).”
> >>
> >> How is this not blatantly racist?
> >>
> >
> >Were the boycotts led by black civil rights leaders in the 1960s
> >considered racist?
>
> By whom?
By the mainstream media in say, the Northeast US.
> We have a document, called the Constitution, which has consistently
> been used in an inclusionary manner, when it comes to individual
> rights. Private citizens boycotting a place of business to achieve
> some end is legal. Government agencies boycotting businesses,
> either white or black (or blue) is exclusionary, and is (or
> should be) illegal, and racist.
Up until a recent SC decision, racial set-asides for contractors did
permit the federal government to use race as a deciding factor in awarding
contracts, regardless of past contracting practice. The SC was right
in overturning the set-asides.
With a change of the law, appointment of supportive Federal judges,
set-asides that demand 100% white-owed contractors are theoretically
possible. And while now I admit such a law would be unjust per se, just
as the SC found minority set-asides improper unless direct redress, it is
by no means improbable if race relations continue on their current course;
thus my support for separatism to avoid this federal authoritarianism sown
by multiculturalism’s endless tug of war .
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From: wotan
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Subject: Re: BLACK CRIME STATS
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On 15 Oct 1995, Steve Haugh wrote:
> >
> >Blacks make up approx. 13% of the American Population and
> >specifically black males make up approx. 6%, but account for…
> >(1990)
>
> >61% of all Robbery
> >55% of all Murder and Manslaughter
> >48% of all Illegal Gambling
> >44% of all Rape
> >40% of all Drug Violations
> >39% of all Prostitution
> >38% of all Motor Theft
> >38% of all Aggravated Assault
> >32% of all Embezzlement
> >30% of all Domestic Violence
> >22% of all Vandalism
> >
> >Source:
> >
> >_Two Nations_ By Andrew Hacker, Ballantine Books, New York,
> >(c) 1992, Library of Congress: 92-90374
>
>
> do you think this could be because of the liberty bell curve?
>
>
Rather the bell curve explained by Herrnstein and Murray
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[email protected] (Matthew Docherty) wrote:
:
: Putting the Great into Britain
:
Using a tactical nuke one hopes.
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Goverment is an association of men who
do violence to the rest of us.
— Leo Tolstoy
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[email protected] (Matthew Docherty) wrote:
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: Putting the Great into Britain
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Using a tactical nuke one hopes.
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do violence to the rest of us.
— Leo Tolstoy
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From: wotan
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Subject: BLACK CRIME STATS
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Blacks make up approx. 13% of the American Population and
specifically black males make up approx. 6%, but account for…
(1990)
61% of all Robbery
55% of all Murder and Manslaughter
48% of all Illegal Gambling
44% of all Rape
40% of all Drug Violations
39% of all Prostitution
38% of all Motor Theft
38% of all Aggravated Assault
32% of all Embezzlement
30% of all Domestic Violence
22% of all Vandalism
Source:
_Two Nations_ By Andrew Hacker, Ballantine Books, New York,
(c) 1992, Library of Congress: 92-90374
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From: wotan
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European- Americans, caucasians, are perhaps 80% of the
population, but own closer to 95% of the privately held land,
not to mention closer to 100% of the corporate properties, as
shareholders. Thus, it is in our power to do something that
is in our best interest: Grant a separate homeland for
African Americans. As about 11% of the population, they
should get a single land mass mixed of rural, urban and
surburban territory, probably on the east coast, of an area
encompassing 11% of the lower 48 states’ land mass. It
should be an autonomous country, ethnically and culturally
based, the way Ukraine is in its independance from Russia’s
Soviet empire. Like Rhodesia, European Americans in this new
black homeland will be welcome as visitors, to provide the
technical assistance in farming and other industries deemed
worthy in trade with the US. The federal government will
ensure that for at least the first few years, a
constitutional system of law enforcement and government were
maintained. Corporate America, the multinationals, etc. will
set up branch offices to provide basic consumer and business
goods. Nevertheless, legalistics will be daunting. Federal
oversight under the Voting Rights Act, in drawing
congressional district lines soley based on race (until
weakened by recent SC decision), allows “in the spirit”
creation of a separate black race state. A constitutional
amendment is still needed. Then is the question of African
Americans who refuse to settle in a new homeland, or large
numbers of European American landowners who refuse to leave
it. We could rely on the concept of eminent domain, where
government can sieze real property, provided that it
compensates owners with the fair market value. A 150% rate
of non-taxable compensation might accelerate the process.
Individual European- American landowners will receive this
on their property, and then be forced to relocate to the US.
African Americans will receive cash-credits to pay for
resettlement, redeemable only as residents in their new land.
And getting African Americans to settle will also require
enormous investment; as the carrot, perhaps $50 billion to
set up the bureacracy and infrastructure, matched by
corporations’ initial capital investment. African American
beneficiaries of affirmative action (which should not be
eliminated if we pursue this course) will be transferred to
branch offices in the new land; thus the corporate role of
seeding. Black leaders in the US will be “bought off” with
promises of being the administrators of the resettlement,
their non-profit organizations, bled with perks called
“administrative costs”, will receive sizeable federal
reimbursement for the propaganda campaign and relocating an
amorphous, unpredictable underclass. The US Congressional
Black Caucus will become the entire congress of the new land
as their US constituents relocate. The time is now, though,
before the SC decision outlawing race-based district lines
has taken effect! And first President, also a general, Colin
Powell?! The stick will be the cascade of diminishing
political power due to diminishing black population in the
US, as blacks relocate. African American prison inmates,
parolees, and those awaiting trial will be transferred to
freedom in the new land, providing its cultural “soul”, as
seen in rap music and street sports, while ridding the US of
its urban scourge. This would satisfy their numerous children
and associates, and the liberals who feel black men are
unfairly persecuted by a U.S. of Mark Fuhrmans.
The main barrier to this effort is that the federal
government is considered incompetent, if not destructive, by
most European Americans. The level of oversight by non-
federal entities such as public accounting firms and
humanitarian organizations will have to be great, if this
were to work. Yet, the cost benefit analysis should be done,
now. Weigh the costs of paying off Jesse Jackson’s
organization to keep him on board, McDonald’s, IBM, etc. to
build offices and stores, the white landowners, the black
emigrants, with the costs of keeping 20+ million blacks in
the US in perpetuity and what that means in welfare,
education, public housing, medicaid, and prison costs. Once
all of the US’s black population is settled in the new land,
the borders could be enforced and US financial aid steadily
diminished, but blacks will have finally gotten the Israel
they need to fulfill a sense of purpose, and the US will be
rid of, on balance, a parasitic class that posed a political
counter to any white nationalism and cultural reawakening.
In the US, the violent crime rate will drop to that of
Western Europe before it took in N. Africans – provided
that we repatriate our mestizo population – a far easier
task without a congressional black caucus to stymie what it
would perceive as racist legislation.
Whites, as 70% of the electorate, can accomplish these goals,
if we unite as whites, not squabble as democrats or
republicans. But, the question lingers, would not blacks’
widespread social problems of illegitimacy, drug use,
violence, government dependance, and ignorance threaten the
neighboring US with a spillover of bloodshed like that of
Haiti, Rwanda or merely South Central LA? It will be up to
blacks to answer that. Hopefully, we will have a neighbor
much more like Canada. But sadly, FBI statistics question
that outcome.
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On Sun, 15 Oct 1995, Brad A. Pierce wrote:
> “wotan”, you little Nazi loser, why don’t you use your real name?
>
> All Nazis are cowards and losers. Nazis can’t win on a level playing
> field, so they gang up on those they envy and pretend to be big men as
> they pummel a defenseless innocent with baseball bats. Violence is
> indeed the last resort of the incompetent.
>
> What’s your real name, coward?
>
> — Brad Pierce — 15/October/1995
>
How does any of this taunting address the content of my POST?
How does a _Constitutional_ amendment to create separate race nations
fit in to the Nationalist Socialist ideology which you imply, without
evidence, that I adhere to?
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What_is_racism, ftp’ed from ftp.netcom.com /pub/SF/SFA
WHAT IS RACISM?
by Thomas Jackson
{Originally Published in American Renaissance, Vol 2, No. 8}
There is surely no nation in the world that holds “racism”
in greater horror than does the United States. Compared to other
kinds of offenses, it is thought to be somehow more
reprehensible. The press and public have become so used to tales
of murder, rape, robbery, and arson, that any but the most
spectacular crimes are shrugged off as part of the inevitable
texture of American life. “Racism” is never shrugged off.
For example, when a white Georgetown Law School student reported
earlier this year that black students are not as qualified as
white students, it set off a booming, national controversy about
“racism.” If the student had merely murdered someone he would
have attracted far less attention and criticism.
Racism is, indeed, the national obsession. Universities
are on full alert for it, newspapers and politicians denounce it,
churches preach against it, America is said to be racked with it,
but just what *is* racism?
Dictionaries are not much help in understanding what is
meant by the word. They usually define it as the belief that
one’s own ethnic stock is superior to others, or as the belief
that culture and behavior are rooted in race. When Americans
speak of racism they mean a great deal more than this.
Nevertheless, the dictionary definition of racism is a clue to
understanding what Americans *do* mean. A peculiarly American
meaning derives from the current dogma that all ethnic stocks are
equal. Despite clear evidence to the contrary, all races have
been declared to be equally talented and hard- working, and
anyone who questions the dogma is thought to be not merely wrong
but evil.
The dogma has logical consequences that are profoundly
important. If blacks, for example, are equal to whites in every
way, what accounts for their poverty, criminality, and
dissipation? Since any theory of racial differences has been
outlawed, the only possible explanation for black failure is
white racism. And since blacks are markedly poor, crime-prone,
and dissipated, America must be racked with pervasive racism.
Nothing else could be keeping them in such an abject state.
All public discourse on race today is locked into this rigid
logic. Any explanation for black failure that does not depend on
white wickedness threatens to veer off into the forbidden
territory of racial differences. Thus, even if today’s whites can
find in their hearts no desire to oppress blacks, yesterday’s
whites must have oppressed them. If whites do not consciously
oppress blacks, they must oppress them UNconsciously. If no
obviously racist individuals can be identified, then
*institutions* must be racist. Or, since blacks are failing so
terribly in America, there simply must be millions of white
people we do not know about, who are working day and night to
keep blacks in misery. The dogma of racial equality leaves no
room for an explanation of black failure that is not, in some
fashion, an indictment of white people.
The logical consequences of this are clear. Since we are
required to believe that the only explanation for non-white
failure is white racism, every time a non-white is poor, commits
a crime, goes on welfare, or takes drugs, white society stands
accused of yet another act of racism. All failure or misbehavior
by non-whites is standing proof that white society is riddled
with hatred and bigotry. For precisely so long as non-whites fail
to succeed in life at exactly the same level as whites, whites
will be, by definition, thwarting and oppressing them. This
obligatory pattern of thinking leads to strange conclusions.
First of all, racism is a sin that is thought to be committed
almost exclusively by white people. Indeed, a black congressman
>from Chicago, Gus Savage, and Coleman Young, the black mayor of
Detroit, have argued that only white people *can* be racist.
Likewise, in 1987, the affirmative action officer of the State
Insurance Fund of New York issued a company pamphlet in which
she explained that *all* whites are racist and that *only* whites
can be racist. How else could the plight of blacks be explained
without flirting with the possibility of racial inequality?
Although some blacks and liberal whites concede that non-whites
can, perhaps, be racist, they invariably add that non-whites have
been forced into it as self-defense because of centuries of white
oppression. What appears to be non-white racism is so
understandable and forgivable that it hardly deserves the name.
Thus, whether or not an act is called racism depends on the race
of the racist. What would surely be called racism when done by
whites is thought to be normal when done by anyone else. The
reverse is also true.
Examples of this sort of double standard are so common,
it is almost tedious to list them: When a white man kills a black
man and uses the word “nigger” while doing so, there is an
enormous media uproar and the nation beats its collective breast;
when members of the black Yahweh cult carry out ritual murders of
random whites, the media are silent (see AR of March, 1991).
College campuses forbid pejorative statements about non-whites as
“racist,” but ignore scurrilous attacks on whites.
At election time, if 60 percent of the white voters vote
for a white candidate, and 95 percent of the black voters vote
for the black opponent, it is white who are accused of racial
bias. There are 107 “historically black” colleges, whose
fundamental blackness must be preserved in the name of diversity,
but all historically white colleges must be forcibly integrated
in the name of… the same thing. To resist would be racist.
“Black pride” is said to be a wonderful and worthy thing, but
anything that could be construed as an expression of white pride
is a form of hatred. It is perfectly natural for third-world
immigrants to expect school instruction and driver’s tests in
their own languages, whereas for native Americans to ask them to
learn English is racist.
Blatant anti-white prejudice, in the form of affirmative
action, is now the law of the land. Anything remotely like
affirmative action, if practiced in favor of whites, would be
attacked as despicable favoritism.
All across the country, black, Hispanic, and Asian clubs
and caucuses are thought to be fine expressions of ethnic
solidarity, but any club or association expressly for whites is
by definition racist. The National Association for the
Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) campaigns openly for black
advantage but is a respected “civil rights” organization. The
National Association for the Advancement of White People (NAAWP)
campaigns merely for equal treatment of all races, but is said to
be viciously racist.
At a few college campuses, students opposed to
affirmative action have set up student unions for whites,
analogous to those for blacks, Hispanics, etc, and have been
roundly condemned as racists. Recently, when the white students
at Lowell High School in San Francisco found themselves to be a
minority, they asked for a racially exclusive club like the ones
that non- whites have. They were turned down in horror. Indeed,
in America today, any club not specifically formed to be a white
enclave but whose members simply happen all to be white is
branded as racist.
Today, one of the favorite slogans that define the
asymmetric quality of American racism is “celebration of
diversity.” It has begun to dawn on a few people that “diversity”
is always achieved at the expense of whites (and sometimes men),
and never the other way around. No one proposes that Howard
University be made more diverse by admitting whites, Hispanics,
or Asians. No one ever suggests that National Hispanic University
in San Jose (CA) would benefit from the diversity of having
non-Hispanics on campus. No one suggests that the Black
Congressional Caucus or the executive ranks of the NAACP or the
Mexican-American Legal Defense and Educational Fund suffer from a
lack of diversity. Somehow, it is perfectly legitimate for them
to celebrate *homogeneity*. And yet any all-white group – a
company, a town, a school, a club, a neighborhood – is thought to
suffer from a crippling lack of diversity that must be remedied
as quickly as possible. Only when whites have been reduced to a
minority has “diversity” been achieved.
Let us put it bluntly: To “celebrate” or “embrace”
diversity, as we are so often asked to do, is no different from
*deploring an excess of whites.* In fact, the entire nation is
thought to suffer from an excess of whites. Our current
immigration policies are structured so that approximately 90
percent of our annual 800,000 legal immigrants are non-white. The
several million illegal immigrants that enter the country every
year are virtually all non-white. It would be racist not to be
grateful for this laudable contribution to “diversity.”
It is, of course, only white nations that are called upon to
practice this kind of “diversity.” It is almost criminal to
imagine a nation of any other race countenancing blatant
dispossession of this kind.
What if the United States were pouring its poorest,
least educated citizens across the border into Mexico? Could
anyone be fooled into thinking that Mexico was being “culturally
enriched?” What if the state of Chihuahua were losing its
majority population to poor whites who demanded that schools be
taught in English, who insisted on celebrating the Fourth of
July, who demanded the right to vote even if they weren’t
citizens, who clamored for “affirmative action” in jobs and
schooling?
Would Mexico – or any other non-white nation – tolerate
this kind of cultural and demographic depredation? Of course not.
Yet white Americans are supposed to look upon the flood of
Hispanics and Asians entering their country as a priceless
cultural gift. They are supposed to “celebrate” their own loss
of influence, their own dwindling numbers, their own
dispossession, for to do otherwise would be hopelessly racist.
There is another curious asymmetry about American racism.
When non- whites advance their own racial purposes, no one ever
accuses them of “hating” another group. Blacks can join “civil
rights” groups and Hispanics can be activists without fear of
being branded as bigots and hate mongers. They can agitate openly
for racial preferences that can come only at the expense of
whites. They can demand preferential treatment of all kinds
without anyone ever suggesting that they are “anti-white.”
Whites, on the other hand, need only express their opposition to
affirmative action to be called haters. They need only subject
racial policies that are clearly prejudicial to themselves to be
called racists. Should they actually go so far as to say that
they prefer the company of their own kind, that they wish to be
left alone to enjoy the fruits of their European heritage, they
are irredeemably wicked and hateful.
Here, then is the final, baffling inconsistency about
American race relations. All non-whites are allowed to prefer the
company of their own kind, to think of themselves as groups with
interests distinct from those of the whole, and to work openly
for group advantage. None of this is thought to be racist. At the
same time, *whites* must *also* champion the racial interests of
non-whites. They must sacrifice their own future on the altar of
“diversity” and cooperate in their own dispossession. They are to
encourage, even to subsidize, the displacement of a European
people and culture by alien peoples and cultures. To put it in
the simplest possible terms, white people are cheerfully to
slaughter their own society, to commit racial and cultural
suicide. To refuse to do so would be racism.
Of course, the entire non-white enterprise in the United
States is perfectly natural and healthy. Nothing could be more
natural than to love one’s people and to hope that it should
flourish. Filipinos and El Salvadorans are doubtless astonished
to discover that simply by setting foot in the United States they
are entitled to affirmative action preferences over native-born
whites, but can they be blamed for accepting them? Is it
surprising that they should want their languages, their cultures,
their brothers and sisters to take possession and put their mark
indelibly on the land? If the once-great people of a once-great
nation is bent upon self-destruction and is prepared to hand
over land and power to whomever shows up and asks for it, why
should Mexicans and Cambodians complain?
No, it is the white enterprise in the United States that
is unnatural, unhealthy, and without historical precedent. Whites
have let themselves be convinced that it is racist merely to
object to dispossession, much less to work for their own
interests. Never in the history of the world has a dominant
people thrown open the gates to strangers, and poured out its
wealth to aliens. Never before has a people been fooled into
thinking that there was virtue or nobility in surrendering its
heritage, and giving away to others its place in history.
Of all the races in America, only whites have been tricked into
thinking that a preference for one’s own kind is racism. Only
whites are ever told that a love for their own people is somehow
“hatred” of others. All healthy people prefer the company of
their own kind, and it has nothing to do with hatred. All men
love their families more than their neighbors, but this does not
mean that they hate their neighbors. Whites who love their racial
family need bear no ill will towards non-whites. They only wish
to be left alone to participate in the unfolding of their racial
and cultural destinies.
What whites in America are being asked to do is
therefore utterly unnatural. They are being asked to devote
themselves to the interests of other races and to ignore the
interests of their own. This is like asking a man to forsake his
own children and love the children of his neighbors, since to do
otherwise would be “racist.”
What then, is “racism?” It is considerably more than any
dictionary is likely to say. It is any opposition by whites to
official policies of racial preference for non-whites. It is any
preference by whites for their own people and culture. It is any
resistance by whites to the idea of becoming a minority people.
It is any unwillingness to be pushed aside. It is, in short, any
of the normal aspirations of people-hood that have defined
nations since the beginning of history – but only so long as the
aspirations are those of whites.
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On 15 Oct 1995, John Q. Public wrote:
>
> from your original post that started this thread:
>
> “By boycotting minority-owned businesses, and forcing our local
> governments to do the same when contracting and hiring consult-
> ants (This will require Congressional reversal of the 1965 “Civil
> Rights” act _first_, the “litmus-test” for congressional election).”
>
> How is this not blatantly racist?
>
Were the boycotts led by black civil rights leaders in the 1960s
considered racist? They were in response to then-legal segregation, that
was racist. Whites today face racism, not nearly so obvious, but
nonetheless destructive. Reread the UNSPOKEN WAR and WHAT IS RACISM posts
to learn that there is state-sponsored and media-sponsored reverse
discrimination, white-nationhood censorship that voids any attempt at
whites formally uniting as Caucasian Americans the way blacks have united
as African Americans, and an onslaught of physical abuse that invariably
has racist motivation.
Also ftp the ftp.netcom.com /pub/SF/SFA for more files on this topic.
Note, I strongly disagree with some of that Identity site’s
philosophies, but that’s the position whites are being forced, by
exclusion from traditional channels of expressing discontent on their
future as another racial group, with rights as such.
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 11:53:58 PDT 1995
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From: wotan
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On 15 Oct 1995, John Atchley wrote:
> >> You must be working for one of Buchanan’s rivals.
> >>
> >Please explain. Hasn’t Buchanan been critical of multiculturalism?
>
> >Let’s hear your cute answers now
>
> Yep, I was right earlier. You’re either a liberal playing games or a so
> called conservative who is not only racist, but dumber than a box of rocks as
> well. You’re so inarticulate that I’m not even quite sure whether you think
> you’ve just trapped “John Q.” into a contradiction (you haven’t) or whether
> you just didn’t get it when he said “you must be working for one of Buchanan’s
> rivals.”
>
> In case the latter is true; John Q’s statement was meant to be a sarcastic
> jab, “wotan.” As in, “By opening *your* mouth (figuratively) in support of
> Pat Buchanan you demonstrate admirably why no thinking person should vote for
> him.” Hence — you must be working for Buchanan’s rivals.
>
> Has it occured to you that by being biggotted, extreme, and just plain stupid
> in public the only ones who are going to believe what you have to say are the
> already biggotted, extreme, and stupid?
You are making an invalid assumption that my white riot propoasals are
extreme, just plain stupid, or bigotted. How many are _already_ in
progress in one way or another, due to the Republican sweep of congress in
1994? And while the Repub congress may do some stupid things, it is hardly
considered bigotted or extreme.
Hasn’t Dinesh Desouza, in The End to Racism proposed overturning the
1965 Civil Rights Act?
And in a republican system, should not the electorate voice it’s ire at
the poll? If not there, where? Thankfully, we do not have Beer Halls.
Buchanan is _the_ candidate for the white disenfranchised, not the
well-off establishment golf-clubber. Can you itemize which of my white
riot proposals he would oppose, other than my spurious call for a boycott
of black contractors (which I admit was mean-spirited, to use a liberal
catchphrase)?
Your sweeping dismissal of my proposals, with traditional ADL-style
labeling smacks of elitism, not populism. That’s because you have not
substantively challenged a single item on the white riot agenda.
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 11:53:59 PDT 1995
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On 15 Oct 1995, John Q. Public wrote:
> wotan wrote:
> >
> >On 15 Oct 1995, John Q. Public wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> from your original post that started this thread:
> >>
> >> “By boycotting minority-owned businesses, and forcing our local
> >> governments to do the same when contracting and hiring consult-
> >> ants (This will require Congressional reversal of the 1965 “Civil
> >> Rights” act _first_, the “litmus-test” for congressional election).”
> >>
> >> How is this not blatantly racist?
> >>
> >
> >Were the boycotts led by black civil rights leaders in the 1960s
> >considered racist?
>
> By whom?
By the mainstream media in say, the Northeast US.
> We have a document, called the Constitution, which has consistently
> been used in an inclusionary manner, when it comes to individual
> rights. Private citizens boycotting a place of business to achieve
> some end is legal. Government agencies boycotting businesses,
> either white or black (or blue) is exclusionary, and is (or
> should be) illegal, and racist.
Up until a recent SC decision, racial set-asides for contractors did
permit the federal government to use race as a deciding factor in awarding
contracts, regardless of past contracting practice. The SC was right
in overturning the set-asides.
With a change of the law, appointment of supportive Federal judges,
set-asides that demand 100% white-owed contractors are theoretically
possible. And while now I admit such a law would be unjust per se, just
as the SC found minority set-asides improper unless direct redress, it is
by no means improbable if race relations continue on their current course;
thus my support for separatism to avoid this federal authoritarianism sown
by multiculturalism’s endless tug of war .
From [email protected] Mon Oct 16 11:54:00 PDT 1995
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From: wotan
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On 15 Oct 1995, Steve Haugh wrote:
> >
> >Blacks make up approx. 13% of the American Population and
> >specifically black males make up approx. 6%, but account for…
> >(1990)
>
> >61% of all Robbery
> >55% of all Murder and Manslaughter
> >48% of all Illegal Gambling
> >44% of all Rape
> >40% of all Drug Violations
> >39% of all Prostitution
> >38% of all Motor Theft
> >38% of all Aggravated Assault
> >32% of all Embezzlement
> >30% of all Domestic Violence
> >22% of all Vandalism
> >
> >Source:
> >
> >_Two Nations_ By Andrew Hacker, Ballantine Books, New York,
> >(c) 1992, Library of Congress: 92-90374
>
>
> do you think this could be because of the liberty bell curve?
>
>
Rather the bell curve explained by Herrnstein and Murray
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From: wotan
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On 15 Oct 1995, Terry Canaan wrote:
> : Whites, as 70% of the electorate, can accomplish these goals,
> : if we unite as whites, not squabble as democrats or
> : republicans. But, the question lingers, would not blacks’
> : widespread social problems of illegitimacy, drug use,
> : violence, government dependance, and ignorance threaten the
> : neighboring US with a spillover of bloodshed like that of
> : Haiti, Rwanda or merely South Central LA? It will be up to
> : blacks to answer that. Hopefully, we will have a neighbor
> : much more like Canada. But sadly, FBI statistics question
> : that outcome.
> :
> I only quoted part of this post because you needn’t quote it in its
> entirety to represent it’s insanity. Does the poster actually believe
> that segregation of this level will ever be seen as anything but
> ludicrous by his 70% of the voting public? Why not just round up all
> minorities (after all, why stop with blacks?) and shove ’em all into
> ‘detainment centers’?
>
>
Wouldn’t forced racial integration have seemed utterly ludicrous to 70% of
the voting public in say, 1948? The same public that had fought against
the race-based tyranny of Nazism? Yes, and without hypocracy. Americans
WANT to live ,work, learn, worship and play in communities where the
people are like them; we readily accept the economic class divisions in
such arrangements, but why not the racial, when the cultural differences
associated with race are even more profound?
My solution is Constitutional; yours is Nazi ‘detainment centers’; the
left can barely contain its own jack boot fantasies.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 20 11:11:04 PDT 1995
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From: [email protected] (Wotan)
Subject: Re: British SUBJECT speak english ONLY!!!
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In article <[email protected]>,
Jeffrey A. Clark wrote:
>In article , [email protected] (Wotan) wrote:
>>[email protected] (ALT.NEWS) wrote:
>>
>>: All British SUBJECT speak english ONLY!
>>:
>>Do you know the problem with British youth? Their parents speak
>>english and refuse to teach it to their young.
>>
>>
>Careful there, “Tex”….
GFY. Ah aint no stinkin texan.
Although you did get the right country.
—
The price of seeking to force our beliefs on others is that someday
they might force their beliefs on us.
— Mario Cuomo
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[email protected] (Lordy Lordy) wrote:
>Philip Kirschner ([email protected]) wrote:
>: Tom Metzger, is a serious want to be. He is so far from the church it’s
>: pathetic. He call’s himself a chirstian. He need’s to start listening
>: to the pope and learn what he is doing.
>Metzger is actually part Jewish. He’s been hiding this. But there are
>some people wh know.
Damn right brother. The K.K.K. is a A.D.L. front group
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[email protected] (Lordy Lordy) wrote:
>Philip Kirschner ([email protected]) wrote:
>: Tom Metzger, is a serious want to be. He is so far from the church it’s
>: pathetic. He call’s himself a chirstian. He need’s to start listening
>: to the pope and learn what he is doing.
>Metzger is actually part Jewish. He’s been hiding this. But there are
>some people wh know.
Damn right brother. The K.K.K. is a A.D.L. front group
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 12:21:03 PDT 1995
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[email protected] (Les) wrote:
:
:We found American’s very ignorant when we were on holidays this
:summer. We visited Nashville and New York and one was as bad as the
:other.
New York State or Just New York City? Two different things.
And we all know residents of NYC are a lower form of life. And you
expected intelligence from residents of redneck land?
And you really shouldn’t complain about ignorance when you write like
the rest of us do.
—
Goverment is an association of men who
do violence to the rest of us.
— Leo Tolstoy
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Melody Clark wrote:
:Dear Andrew and similarly-inclined gents:
:
:This is soc.culture.usa…
Uhm, your mistaken. This is aus.flame.usa If you wanted to change
where you read this thread you would probably have changed your
newsgroups line.
:this is not alt.nuke.the.usa.
They be here too.
:You may hold
:your Flame-Throwing, Alpha Male, pissing contests as you will,
Don’t recall asking for your permission, but thanks all the same.
:but kindly
:leave the REST OF US OUT OF THIS?
You want us to leave you alone, or no? Make up your mind Melody. Aint
this just like a woman?
:
:I’m not about to ascribe your idiocy to your nationality…
What is it due to then?
:that’s
:cretin’s logic.
Ahh, cretinism.
:I will, however, suggest it somewhat contrary to manners
:to criticize another culture because it isn’t like yours.
Makes life kind of dull, don’t it?
:My apologies to the good folk on the other newsgroups whom they’ve
:invaded…I’m letting the cross-post ride to make certain all the flamers
:will see it.
Could have tried a follow-ups line if you didn’t want to see
responces.
:Melody…small person born on that piece of real estate commonly called
:the “USA”
:
And mislabled.
—
Goverment is an association of men who
do violence to the rest of us.
— Leo Tolstoy
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On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, Berman James Watts wrote:
>
>
> On 15 Oct 1995, Steve Haugh wrote:
>
> > In wotan writes:
> >
> > >
> > >Blacks make up approx. 13% of the American Population and
> > >specifically black males make up approx. 6%, but account for…
> > >(1990)
> >
> > >61% of all Robbery
> > >55% of all Murder and Manslaughter
> > >48% of all Illegal Gambling
> > >44% of all Rape
> > >40% of all Drug Violations
> > >39% of all Prostitution
> > >38% of all Motor Theft
> > >38% of all Aggravated Assault
> > >32% of all Embezzlement
> > >30% of all Domestic Violence
> > >22% of all Vandalism
> > >
> > >Source:
> > >
> > >_Two Nations_ By Andrew Hacker, Ballantine Books, New York,
> > >(c) 1992, Library of Congress: 92-90374
> >
> >
> > do you think this could be because of the liberty bell curve?
> >
> >
> The page numbers might be of use in an accurate citation.
>
The source of the statistics was the 1990 FBI Uniform Crime Report, I
believe.
> Transparent fallacy seems evident:
>
> Embezzlement- Really? Blacks although still largely relegated to
> lower work positions beat whites at white collar crime? One Milliken
> equates to millions of shortchanged burger buyers.
>
Clerks, warehousemen, delivery service employees can and do commit
fraud; this is by the nature of the employment, where employees handle
yet unrecorded cash and or merchandise, and have access to credit card
and commercial account numbers.
> As for drugs- survey has shown whites use more but get arrested less.
> Could this be true of other “crimes”? Who investigates, enforces and
> judges the law?
Can you site the statistic and source on white drug use?
>
> In any event at the present rate, an absolute majority of black males
> will be in prison by 2010. Already. One of three is under supervision of
> the justice system and in some cities the figure is 1 in 2. Why did such
> criminal behaviour await the 1980’s and after to become epidemic? If the
> criminal bias was alwaus present or freed by the Civil Rights movement of
> the 60’s it should have erupted then. No , the discovery of crime in
> blacks as an excuse for repression had to await those wlling to use
> racial suppression as a political tool. Such “subtle” racial demagogeury
> is hardly original but quite traditional.Such prior excuse is now
> admitted by virtually all as the transparent deceit it was even then.
>
You are saying that the Civil Rights movement allowed the discovery of
black crime, and thus an excuse for increased incarceration of blacks.
That sounds like revisionist history to me. The violent crime rates
accelerated in the late 1960’s, coinciding with the civil rights laws of
that period that essentially hamstrung police from conducting preemptive
busts on drug traffickers, convenience store robbers, etc, where the
suspect was not given a chance to commit the crime, but was harrassed (or
was it hassled? 🙂 by the police based on a suspect profile. The reason
for this legislation (under federal law) was to stop police trampling on
civil liberties of those who had not yet been charged with committing a
crime. What it did was reduce the police role to investigating crimes
after they were committed, not stopping them beforehand; hence the rise in
drug trafficking in black communities at that time.
This was coupled with the media and academia assault on European-American
culture and history that provided an implied acceptance of retribution by
blacks for hundreds of years of so-called oppression. This hateful idea
was legislated in the form of racial set-asides, literal quotas, in
awarding government contracts and accepting students to federally-endowed
universities, as well as numerous consent-decrees upon local fire
departments, school districts, etc., imposing blatant reverse
discrimination. Hateful because the victims of this reverse discrimination
were usually not in any way responsible for overt discrimination that may
(or may not) have occurred in the past at the particular institution
or in the particular industry. Any complaint by European-Americans was
and is dismissed as racist.
Naturally, whites fled from urban blacks who were by now abusing and
brutalizing themselves with drugs and violent crime far more rapidly than
whites had persecuted blacks during the century’s history of lynchings and
unjustified imprisonments. These whites took businesses and the tax base
with them, leaving cities without a steady source of blue-collar
employment, particularly in light manufacturing. In the mid-1980’s, crack
cocaine was introduced to these areas, now controlled by heavily armed,
ignorant gang warlords with members who felt there was no legitimate
opportunities to make the kind of money drug dealing offered. Crack’s
shocking ability to cause rapid, almost immediate addiction, and fits of
rage during withdrawl, resulted in the passage of harsh drug laws, some
federal, that have led to massive incarceration of black males who traffic
or use crack cocaine, many of whom belonged to those gangs.
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On 15 Oct 1995, BTurco wrote:
> Lies , Damn Lies and Statistics. Do you really think these tell us the
> whole story? All races must look past numbers to each others pain, and
> deal with it from a standpoint of love of our country and compassion
> toward our fellow citizens of all races.
>
>
Your last sentence is pure Bill Clinton. Thanx.
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On Sun, 15 Oct 1995, A. E. Siegman wrote:
> > >Blacks make up approx. 13% of the American Population and
> > >specifically black males make up approx. 6%, but account for…
> > >(1990)
> >
> > >61% of all Robbery
> > >55% of all Murder and Manslaughter
> > >48% of all Illegal Gambling
> > >44% of all Rape
> > >40% of all Drug Violations
> > >39% of all Prostitution
> > >38% of all Motor Theft
> > >38% of all Aggravated Assault
> > >32% of all Embezzlement
> > >30% of all Domestic Violence
> > >22% of all Vandalism
>
> This must be for _reported_ or _arrested_ or _convicted_ crimes of each
> type, must it not? In other words, one can’t be totally sure, the
> _actual_ statistics may be somewhat different because of differential
> arrest or reporting rates between the two groups, right?
>
>
Any differential of arrest and conviction would likely benefit urban
criminals, due to the workload pressures on urban criminal justice
systems, which make long police investigations unlikely and encourage
plea-bargaining to lesser offenses. Of course, the criminal must first be
located in the tangle of urban crack houses and SRO transient housing. The
opposite is true for rural areas, where the number of police, judges,
prosecutors and prison cells per capita are much greater, and the criminal
infrastructure (abandoned buildings, subway systems) is lacking.
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I’m glad to share my fantasies. I think it’s important as a Nazi to be
in touch with one’s sensual and feminine side: it’s very noble for a
man to express his true feelings, and there’s nothing wrong with
expressing love for another man.
I think it’s important for White Aryan men to get to know the
genetically perfect contours of each others’ bodies. That’s why the
Fuehrer recommended exercising in the gym in the nude.
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On 21 Oct 1995, Wyatt Kaldenberg wrote:
>
> I think it’s important for White Aryan men to get to know the
> genetically perfect contours of each others’ bodies. That’s why the
> Fuehrer recommended exercising in the gym in the nude.
>
Are you out of your mind?
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-=> Quoting ShingiraRe: “Colored People” andhingira.demon.c to All <=-
>> >
>> >End the job and economic discrimination in “white societies” and then
>> >you might have a “just” situation.
>>
>> Why is it that a black African would have trouble being accepted as
>> competent but a black Indian (from India) would not? Is it possibly
>> because black Indians don’t expect rejection of their competence and
>> so are not rejected while black Africans enter a situation expecting
>> to be rejected and, all else being neutral, this causes their
>> rejection? Black African children are taught from the time they learn
>> to walk that whites won’t accept them and to distrust whitey. Could
>> this possibly have an effect on their future acceptance? Do you think
>> it might?
>>
> Basically, the reason is that “white society” would still love slavery
> days to exist and get fat off the blood, sweat and tears of Africans
> and African-Americans. Asians on the other hand, while having been
> colonised for a period by “Europeans” have never been systematically
> exploited in the way Africans have been. Don’t forget that in order to
> justify slavery, “white society” sought to de-humanise the African and
> detach us from our history, et al. There was no such campaign against
> Asians.
It is obvious that you made up this nonsense yourself. There are
no reputable studies that support your stated reasons on why
black professionals are supposedly not getting hired while dark-
skinned Indians are. BTW, what is the unemplyment rate of say,
black CPAs? It seems to me that with affirmative action, black
professionals have likely had a lower unemployment rate than
comparably qualified whites. What are your statistics on that
disparity?
If anything, a desire for reinslavement would mean more, not
fewer, blacks being hired, but for wages that whites would not
want to work for; in other words, labor exploitation. BTW, in
computer programming, such exploitation is occuring, with Russian
and asian immigrants working for salaries that white entry-level
programmers used to balk at.
Sh> To cut a long story short, “white societies” still try to relate to
Sh> Africans and African-Americans in the old tradition of “degrade and
Sh> exploit”.
Sh> Refute that, my boy.
You do not exploit whom you do not employ. Conversely, has the
Association of Black Accountants held protests because black
accountants are paid less, or hired less often, than white
accountants? What about in other professions? Name ONE where
such protest has occured recently.
THe problem is not discrimination against the relative handful of
black professionals, but the vast number of arrogant, ignorant
black young adults who read at 7th grade level, cannot do long
division, and yet expect to be made executives after two years
of Afro-American studies or some such idiocy at open-admission
community colleges.
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In article <[email protected]>,
Kevin M. Hebert wrote:
>You’re misquoting
keegan?
—
Cinemuck, n.:
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[email protected] (Outline) excreted:
:In article ,
:[email protected] (Wotan) wrote:
:>In article <[email protected]>, wrote:
:>>In <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Kevin M. Hebert) writes:
:>>>In article <[email protected]>, Linz wrote:
:>>>>I’m dreadfully sorry to have to be the one who tells you this, but
:>>>>contrary to your history books, the war started in 1939.
:>>>I don’t discount the efforts of the British, or any of the Allies,
:>>>yet without American intervention in the war, ALL of Europe (and perhaps
:>>>Asia, Africa, and even eventually the Americas) would not only be speaking
:>>>German, but would be slaves to Naziism. It’s the absolute worst case
:>>>scenario.
:>>WRONG… Thanks for playing…
:>>Hitlers armies were broken on the steps of Russia. All of Europe
:>>would now be speaking Russian.
:>>
:
:>BZZT!
:
:>Thanks for palying.
:
:>Without US food, clothing, aid, armor, planes, weapons, shipping, etc the
:>german army would have waltzed through Russia long before the first
:>winter came.
:
:Are you saying that our aid to the Germans was so poor in quality that
:the Germans lost because of it? That’s a novel approach to WWII
:history. I don’t think I’ve ever heard it before.
:
:Makes sense though.
Only Zanca could get confused here. The discussion is focused on
Russia stopping the Germans, so i must be talking aobut Aid to the
germans.
BTW fuckwit, US companies helped arm and supply the Third Reich until
Roosevelt intervened in the very late 30’s.
—
Goverment is an association of men who
do violence to the rest of us.
— Leo Tolstoy
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[email protected] wrote:
:In , [email protected] (Wotan) writes:
:>In article <[email protected]>, wrote:
:>>
:>>WRONG… Thanks for playing…
:>>Hitlers armies were broken on the steps of Russia. All of Europe
:>>would now be speaking Russian.
:>>
:>
:>BZZT!
:>
:>Thanks for palying.
:>
:>Without US food, clothing, aid, armor, planes, weapons, shipping, etc the
:>german army would have waltzed through Russia long before the first
:>winter came.
:
:OK… How many successful invasions of Russia have there been ?
A. None.
Now read your history carefully – even the MASSIVE inflow of supplies
to Russia did not stop the Germans. It only slowed them long enough
to let fighting extend into winter.
A combination of things then occurred – but the fact is, without the
supplies given by the US, the Germans would have waltzed through
Russia in less than a year and linked with the Japanese.
—
Goverment is an association of men who
do violence to the rest of us.
— Leo Tolstoy
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[email protected] (Linz) wrote:
:[email protected] (Wotan) wrote:
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:>>>Linz wrote:
:>>>I’m dreadfully sorry to have to be the one who tells you this, but
:>>>contrary to your history books, the war started in 1939.
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:>It did? I could have sworn the Japanese started much earlier than this.
:>Come to think of it, i thought the same of the Italians as well.
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:*Real* history lesson – Part I
:
:04.30, Friday 1st Sept 1939 – Germany invades Poland
:09.00, Sunday 3rd Sept 1939 – Britain delivers ultimatum to Germany
:11.00, Sunday 3rd Sept 1939 – Britain declares war on Germany
:12.00, Sunday 3rd Sept 1939 – France delivers ultimatum to Germany
:17.00, Sunday 3rd Sept 1939 – France declares war on Germany
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:Therefore I would conclude that war started in 1939
Your conclusion would be wrong. Europe doth not a world make.
:>School texts must have been wrong.
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:Ahhh. A light appears at the end of the tunnel.
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:As I have previously posted. Forget your school text books.
:Go out and get yourself an imported account of _real_ history.
:
See you deleted my references to the fact that the Japanese actually
invaded China and Korea in the twenties. Starting the Asian part of
WWII.
And you conveinantly forgot the little factor of Italy’s invasion of
Africa just a little bit sooner than Poland was invaded. Fighting
went on for a couple of years before the Germans got involved.
here’s a clue: Germany, Britan, france, and Poland did not start
WWII. It just brought the ball out into the publics eye.
—
Goverment is an association of men who
do violence to the rest of us.
— Leo Tolstoy
From [email protected] Tue Oct 31 11:21:59 PST 1995
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From: [email protected] (Wyatt Kaldenberg)
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White Power. Paganism is the heart of the White Racist
movement!
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White Power is a pagan movement
From [email protected] Tue Oct 31 17:08:18 PST 1995
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From: [email protected] (Wyatt Kaldenberg)
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Satan is a cool dude! He would join the S.S. if he were
real. White Power is more evil and anti-social than
anything around. Goths should like the S.S. you can
wear black and death skull pins too. Cool!
From [email protected] Tue Oct 31 17:08:19 PST 1995
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[email protected] (Andy Walton) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Wyatt Kaldenberg) wrote:
>Waiter! This cookie doesn’t have a fortune in it!
This is why I cast runes.
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From: [email protected] (Wyatt Kaldenberg)
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[email protected] (lzaird) wrote:
>[email protected] (Wyatt Kaldenberg) wrote:
>>Join the White Working Class revolution! Write the White Aryan
>>Resistance, P.O. Box 65, Fallbrook, CA 92088 or call the
>>Aryan Update 1-619-723-8996 for a radical pro-White
>>phone message.
>> American Capitalism is falling apart. National Socialism
>>is our only hope! 14/88
>Cool post
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[email protected] (lzaird) wrote:
>[email protected] (Wyatt Kaldenberg) wrote:
>>Join the White Working Class revolution! Write the White Aryan
>>Resistance, P.O. Box 65, Fallbrook, CA 92088 or call the
>>Aryan Update 1-619-723-8996 for a radical pro-White
>>phone message.
>> American Capitalism is falling apart. National Socialism
>>is our only hope! 14/88
>Cool post
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