Kaldenberg 1095-1, Kaldenberg Wyatt

Herschel A Gelman wrote
[email protected] :

 

:Herschel “Only Person On Usenet Not To Get ‘The Long March'” Gelman 🙂

Lucky you.

This is how i found out some old accounts were still active. The
forward still worked.

History`s first failed franchise:

Pilate`s Prophet-on-a-Stick

 

From [email protected] Mon Oct 2 14:23:34 PDT 1995
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[email protected] (David M. J. Saslav) wrote:

:dont know ([email protected]) wrote:
:: Did they E-Mail the world???
:
:It would sure seem so. I’ve counted seven nationwide ISP’s whose
:memberships apparently all got this note. This could be a major news
:story… Is anyone trying to figure out how to answer the question
:”Who got this message and how?”
:

Better one:

Who didn’t get a copy, and why?

History`s first failed franchise:

Pilate`s Prophet-on-a-Stick

 

From [email protected] Mon Oct 2 19:44:16 PDT 1995
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[email protected] (Jim Bowery) wrote:

>theraven ([email protected]) wrote:

>: Please remove this tripe from alt.pagan. I, for one, am very sick of
>: it. It is extremely off topic, and no amount of twisting can force it
>: otherwise.

>Please refrane from further mocking my ancestral traditions by calling
>yourself a “pagan”.

>–
>The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
> The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
> Change the tools and you change the rules.

Paganism is a White Racist movement, so get the fuck out of
my religion

 

From [email protected] Mon Oct 2 19:47:17 PDT 1995
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[email protected] (Jim Bowery) wrote:

>theraven ([email protected]) wrote:

>: Please remove this tripe from alt.pagan. I, for one, am very sick of
>: it. It is extremely off topic, and no amount of twisting can force it
>: otherwise.

>Please refrane from further mocking my ancestral traditions by calling
>yourself a “pagan”.

>–
>The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
> The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
> Change the tools and you change the rules.

Paganism is a White Racist movement, so get the fuck out of
my religion

 

From [email protected] Fri Oct 6 13:28:52 PDT 1995
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[email protected] (Jim Byrd) wrote:

:[email protected] (R R M Tweek) wrote:
:
:>In article ,
:>Rick Sherwood wrote:
:>>
:>> I WAS ASKED BY VERA WALLACE TO POST THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE
:>> WRITTEN BY HER. SHE IS HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES AND
:>> IS UNABLE TO POST RIGHT NOW.
:[cut]
:>>For those of you who are not familiar with the background of this
:>>situation, on April 1, 1995, a posting was sent to ars which
:
:April 1? April 1??? Sounds like an April Fools joke to me!
:
:Or did Scientologists never hear of stupid jokes on April Fools day?
:
:
They didn’t prove their case to the cops at the time (as seen by
Andrew Burt telling them to piss up a rope).

…So-called “netiquette” is a set of constantly-changing, self-imposed
rules. However, the people who harp the loudest about “netiquette” are
often the most hypocritical when it comes to abiding by it.
-Timothy D Fay wrote:

 

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[email protected] wrote:

:In article ,
:Gavin Scott wrote:
:>Since most of the spammers seem to just post to every group in their
:>active files, has anyone ever thought of creating a group with a name
:>like alt.cancelme, any post to which would trigger one of the cancel-bots
:>to hunt down and destroy all articles from the same poster in all the
:>newsgroups in existance? 🙂
:>
:>G.
:
:Many times. That was the idea behind alt.0d, alt.-1d, etc. (Catch all the
:newbies and spammers there, maybe they’d do less damage in other places).
:

Perhaps more providers should be convinced to add these groups to the
active files.

I have had three that didn’t include any of the groups in alt.*d
catagorgy.

…So-called “netiquette” is a set of constantly-changing, self-imposed
rules. However, the people who harp the loudest about “netiquette” are
often the most hypocritical when it comes to abiding by it.
-Timothy D Fay wrote:

 

From [email protected] Sat Oct 7 08:40:08 PDT 1995
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Legion wrote:

 

:Now that’s an interesting little lie. Andrew does not give complainers
:specifics such as, “he admitted that he had made the posting, but claimed
:that someone else had added the line, […]”. So either you engaged in
:illegal packet-sniffing to read private mail or you just made it up.
:Which is it?

Sherwood lied. If memory serves me correctly henry commented on this
and thanked Andrew for telling to go piss up a rope. Although they
probably both used more polite terms.

 

:How many $cientologists did it take with it?

Not enough apparently.
:

:[several paragraphs about Henry’s alleged criminal hacking past deleted]

Henry has a nice write up on him in some places.

:What does this have to do with anything? Is there a correlation between
:hacking and bomb threats now? Or are you merely using the standard Co$
:tactic of character assassination?

Henry hacked the terrorists handbook?

:Oh, BTW, the Fishman papers are all over the net now. Good luck tracking
:them all down .
:
:-Legion
:
:PS: May I be considered a “Supressive Person” now? Please? Fuckheads.

Yes.

History`s first failed franchise:

Pilate`s Prophet-on-a-Stick

 

From [email protected] Sun Oct 8 07:38:51 PDT 1995
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From: wotan
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture.african.american,
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The Million Man March is in serious trouble. The march was
intended to send a strong message of the economic importance
of black males as guaged from workplace absence to attend the
march. The reason for the hold-up is based on black
statistical trends just as much as mismanagement, sponsorship
negotiations and infighting over leadership.

There are about 8 million black men in the US in the age
range 20-55. Of these, 1 in 3 is tied up in the criminal
justice system – either in jail, on probation, parole, bail,
or with outstanding arrest or desk warrants.

And the following statistics prevail: These men have
abandoned 66% of the black babies now being born, to the care
of single mothers, mostly teenage dropouts on public
assistant. As 3% of the population, they commit approx. 45%
of the violent felonies, including about 75% of all armed
robberies. At least 20% are actively engaged in illegal-
substance abuse. About 47% have failed to complete HS (not
incl. GED), and those that have graduated usually do not
posess the reading and math comprehension commesurate with
the grade and require race-normed entrance-requirements and
remedial summer courses, to enter college (except all-black
colleges). At least 15% of adult black males are unemployable
due to lack of basic skills and education, confrontational
attitude toward potential employers, poor articulation, etc.

The question is daunting; in a million man march, the number
of dropouts, felons, substance abusers, and deadbeat dads
would be staggering – at least a majority fit in two of these
catagories, if the march is representative of the black male
population as a whole. And a brutal possibility: The march
might not only fail to show any economic effect, it might
cause momentary dips in the violent crime rates, illigitimate
birth rates, street price of crack cocaine (as demand dips),
all traceable to the time frame that 300,000+ perps got
togethah.

Blacks should also keep in mind that since Ron Goldman was a
jew, and organizer Farrakhan is an anti-jew, the mainstream
media might not be willing to whitewash acts of violence by
black marchers, as it did throughout its 1960’s propaganda
meant to bring about Civil Rights, which we now know as
reverse discrimination and license to mug/beat/rape whitey.

If the rally speakers go on an anti-white tirade, the media
will rationalize it with its contrived “balance”, showing 70
year old newsreals of KKK marches on DC as the retaliatory
justification.

But if they bash the jew, the media will, for a change, be
honest about the fraudulence of black demands. For as
American blacks blame others for their own lack of will, the
far more intelligent Asians (per the Bell Curve) routinely
work their way into the upper-middle professional classes in
two generations.

Furthermore, wildly-rumored plans to have OJ Simpson as a
Lead Marcher as an act of defiance, will obviously cause the
media to shift focus from the goals of the march to OJ – a
publicity disaster. Comments?

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From: wotan
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The Million Man March is in serious trouble. The march was
intended to send a strong message of the economic importance
of black males as guaged from workplace absence to attend the
march. The reason for the hold-up is based on black
statistical trends just as much as mismanagement, sponsorship
negotiations and infighting over leadership.

There are about 8 million black men in the US in the age
range 20-55. Of these, 1 in 3 is tied up in the criminal
justice system – either in jail, on probation, parole, bail,
or with outstanding arrest or desk warrants.

And the following statistics prevail: These men have
abandoned 66% of the black babies now being born, to the care
of single mothers, mostly teenage dropouts on public
assistant. As 3% of the population, they commit approx. 45%
of the violent felonies, including about 75% of all armed
robberies. At least 20% are actively engaged in illegal-
substance abuse. About 47% have failed to complete HS (not
incl. GED), and those that have graduated usually do not
posess the reading and math comprehension commesurate with
the grade and require race-normed entrance-requirements and
remedial summer courses, to enter college (except all-black
colleges). At least 15% of adult black males are unemployable
due to lack of basic skills and education, confrontational
attitude toward potential employers, poor articulation, etc.

The question is daunting; in a million man march, the number
of dropouts, felons, substance abusers, and deadbeat dads
would be staggering – at least a majority fit in two of these
catagories, if the march is representative of the black male
population as a whole. And a brutal possibility: The march
might not only fail to show any economic effect, it might
cause momentary dips in the violent crime rates, illigitimate
birth rates, street price of crack cocaine (as demand dips),
all traceable to the time frame that 300,000+ perps got
togethah.

Blacks should also keep in mind that since Ron Goldman was a
jew, and organizer Farrakhan is an anti-jew, the mainstream
media might not be willing to whitewash acts of violence by
black marchers, as it did throughout its 1960’s propaganda
meant to bring about Civil Rights, which we now know as
reverse discrimination and license to mug/beat/rape whitey.

If the rally speakers go on an anti-white tirade, the media
will rationalize it with its contrived “balance”, showing 70
year old newsreals of KKK marches on DC as the retaliatory
justification.

But if they bash the jew, the media will, for a change, be
honest about the fraudulence of black demands. For as
American blacks blame others for their own lack of will, the
far more intelligent Asians (per the Bell Curve) routinely
work their way into the upper-middle professional classes in
two generations.

Furthermore, wildly-rumored plans to have OJ Simpson as a
Lead Marcher as an act of defiance, will obviously cause the
media to shift focus from the goals of the march to OJ – a
publicity disaster. Comments?

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The Million Man March is in serious trouble. The march was
intended to send a strong message of the economic importance
of black males as guaged from workplace absence to attend the
march. The reason for the hold-up is based on black
statistical trends just as much as mismanagement, sponsorship
negotiations and infighting over leadership.

There are about 8 million black men in the US in the age
range 20-55. Of these, 1 in 3 is tied up in the criminal
justice system – either in jail, on probation, parole, bail,
or with outstanding arrest or desk warrants.

And the following statistics prevail: These men have
abandoned 66% of the black babies now being born, to the care
of single mothers, mostly teenage dropouts on public
assistant. As 3% of the population, they commit approx. 45%
of the violent felonies, including about 75% of all armed
robberies. At least 20% are actively engaged in illegal-
substance abuse. About 47% have failed to complete HS (not
incl. GED), and those that have graduated usually do not
posess the reading and math comprehension commesurate with
the grade and require race-normed entrance-requirements and
remedial summer courses, to enter college (except all-black
colleges). At least 15% of adult black males are unemployable
due to lack of basic skills and education, confrontational
attitude toward potential employers, poor articulation, etc.

The question is daunting; in a million man march, the number
of dropouts, felons, substance abusers, and deadbeat dads
would be staggering – at least a majority fit in two of these
catagories, if the march is representative of the black male
population as a whole. And a brutal possibility: The march
might not only fail to show any economic effect, it might
cause momentary dips in the violent crime rates, illigitimate
birth rates, street price of crack cocaine (as demand dips),
all traceable to the time frame that 300,000+ perps got
togethah.

Blacks should also keep in mind that since Ron Goldman was a
jew, and organizer Farrakhan is an anti-jew, the mainstream
media might not be willing to whitewash acts of violence by
black marchers, as it did throughout its 1960’s propaganda
meant to bring about Civil Rights, which we now know as
reverse discrimination and license to mug/beat/rape whitey.

If the rally speakers go on an anti-white tirade, the media
will rationalize it with its contrived “balance”, showing 70
year old newsreals of KKK marches on DC as the retaliatory
justification.

But if they bash the jew, the media will, for a change, be
honest about the fraudulence of black demands. For as
American blacks blame others for their own lack of will, the
far more intelligent Asians (per the Bell Curve) routinely
work their way into the upper-middle professional classes in
two generations.

Furthermore, wildly-rumored plans to have OJ Simpson as a
Lead Marcher as an act of defiance, will obviously cause the
media to shift focus from the goals of the march to OJ – a
publicity disaster. Comments?

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On 8 Oct 1995, Civilized Man wrote:

> wotan wrote:
>
> Are’nt you angry and scared at the idea of 1 million+ black men coming
> together to better themselves and their nation? Strong, tenacious and
> disciplined African men in one place. Whew! Send chills up your
> devil-like spine, heh?

Dissapointed but not surprised that once again, the black nation
turns to the Federal government to solve problems it can only solve
itself. I’m reminded of the Chinese and Irish laborers of the last
century, and brutality they received due to racism. Their descendants
are now by and large successful, in financial terms. But when they
were being lynched (I know at least the Irish were by the Know-Noth-
ings), they didn’t cry to the federal government. Rather, they
BUILT the infrastructure of the cities in which they dwelled, and thus
lay the foundation for their children’s employment in its maintenance
and contracting; brilliant! I know less of the Chinese railroad lab-
orers, other than they suffered at least one massacre not to mention
a high death rate from the work itself; their great grandchildren are
certainly not dwelling in crack infested housing projects, dropping
out of school, running with gangs, selling drugs, getting teenage girls
pregnent without any means of support provided. The history of these
two oppressed groups show that through self-sacrifice and intelligence,
a single despised generation can overcome racism and yield sucessful
descendants.

>
> > There are about 8 million black men in the US in the age
> > range 20-55. Of these, 1 in 3 is tied up in the criminal
> > justice system – either in jail, on probation, parole, bail,
> > or with outstanding arrest or desk warrants.
>
> Rakshsa, the Sentencing Report just released says that 1 in 3 black men
> ages 18-29 are tied up in the criminal justice system. Get your wicked
> drivel straight. Anyway, this is all the more reason for the march.
>

I stand corrected; I admit that I knew my quote was off, but it was based
on this consideration: If 1 of 3 blacks are involved now, what about in
the past 30 years? First, the violent crime rate is actually going down; it
is a result of this stepped up incarceration of black males (compared
to 1 out of 4 in 1990). Thus, if blacks were not tied up in the justice
system in the past, they were free to commit the felonies that are
reflected in much higher violent crime rates for the late-1980’s and early
1990’s than today; they were going unpunished committing violent acts. It
is the high incarceration rate of those caught in possession of crack,
that has reduced the violence. Even Jesse Jackson admits this sentancing has
resulted in massive incarceration of black males, by asking for commesurate
sentances for powered cocaine users (whites) as part of his racial
retribution agenda. Secondly, I assume that most of those in the 18-29
age group have continued to grow older, during the past 30 years of elevated
crime rates coinciding with Civil Rights legislation. 18 year old street
thugs in 1975 are 38 years old today. Due to plea-bargaining and the
anti-incarceration sentiment hanging over from the late-1960’s, 100,000s
of these males got away with innumerable violent assaults and robberies
during the Pre-REagan era; I have witnessed several cases of such in my
own family, where police lacked resources to follow up simple armed
robberies “muggings”, because they were overwhelmed by the caseload. My
white nationalism is unconquerable as a result. And our numbers grow
exponentially. The ADL, Rainbow coalition, etc. cannot stop the rage
of 70 million caucasian males, can they?

But the ramification of your statistic, you do not address other than
saying it is another reason for the march. What about self control of the
individual? Once again, I see a group-victimization excuse for
self-indulgent behavior by individuals.

> Your other stats were false. You are pathetic.

Can you provide the corrected statistics, their source, on the catagor-
ies I presented? Don’t say “do your own homework”, as you are the one
challenging.

> It is a shame that you
> people thrive by such immorality. Its bad enough that your people raped,
> pillaged, enslaved, destroyed, blew up churches, houses, federal
> buildings all through history in the name of white supremacy. You demons
> will certainly go to Hell if there is one.
>
> Civlized Man
>
If we catalog the level of violence and destruction, the human and
financial cost, of black males to America these last 30 years, we see
that they far outweigh the number of anecdotal incidents perpetrated by
white terrorists in the last 75 years. These white terrorists saved the
world from conquest by Adolf Hitler. YOU would be pothole filler on
Die Amerikanishe Kapitolstrasse (Pennsylvania Ave) if that had not been
the case.
The vast majority of “oppressed” blacks in the pre-WWII South enjoyed a
more stable and healthy family life than today. They then moved north
not to escape racism as the revisionists claim, but to take advantage of
the labor shortage resulting from whites fighting in WWII (to which blacks
were largely excluded in the European theatre). But then what did these
blacks’ children do to Detroit in the name of civil rights?

 

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On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Jeanne Kowalewski wrote:

> [snip]
>
> * Furthermore, wildly-rumored plans to have OJ Simpson as a
> * Lead Marcher as an act of defiance, will obviously cause the
> * media to shift focus from the goals of the march to OJ – a
> * publicity disaster. Comments?
>
> Punch Geraldo for me, then FOAD. You think you’re gonna save the white
> race by spreading rumors, nazi-boy? You are really pathetic.
>
> Jeanne K.
>
>
OJ is the logical choice based on past history. Remember that black
leaders such as Al Sharpton were chastised by women’s groups for planning
a huge getting-out celebration for Mike Tyson, in New York City. And Mike
was found guilty. But such celebration did nearly occur.

The near-universal support for the OJ verdict in the black nation makes
him a by-default role model to black males; he had wealth, power over the
judicial system, and had a white aryan woman as wife over whom he
exercised the ultimate in control. Are these not the goals of a million
plus black males? Perhaps I’m mistaken.

I did the black nation a FAVOR by warning it that such a choice, however
defiant, would simply deflect publicity away from the goals of the march.
But you called me a Nazi-boy, so I guess that makes you right.

 

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On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Jeanne Kowalewski wrote (concerning OJ’s
possible participation in the MMM):

>
> Who started the rumor? You? Les Griswold? George Burdi? Milton Kleim? I
> guess you guys couldn’t whip up enough dissention over in
> alt.fan.oj-simpson by spewing racist epithets and calling for a race war,
> eh? You’d love it if it really happened, and you’d use it to your utmost
> ability to recruit more people into your hategroups.
>

I’ve never been on alt.fan.oj-simpson. Check the ngs I post to. By the way,
OJ _will_ be in the million man march, according to current news reports.

> * The near-universal support for the OJ verdict in the black nation makes
> * him a by-default role model to black males; he had wealth, power over the
> * judicial system, and had a white aryan woman as wife over whom he
> * exercised the ultimate in control. Are these not the goals of a million
> * plus black males? Perhaps I’m mistaken.
>
> No, these are the goals of insecure white supremacist men. Why do you
> assume that a million men of any culture would have a unified goal of
> marrying and controlling “white aryan” women? PULEEEZE.

Cleaver’s Soul on Ice? OJ himself? The large number of white women raped
by black men, compared to black women raped by white men, in the last 30
years (feminists tell us that rape is about control, not sex). While that
certainly is not proof, it does point to a mindset on the part of many
black males who consider the white woman as the “prize” of success in our
society, and consider the black woman, particularly grandmothers who
raise them when their mothers are in rehab, as a symbol of poverty and
the past.

>
> You should re-examine your stereotypes, woton, because they’re downright
> silly. Before O.J. was acquitted, you goose-steppers portrayed AA men as
> sociopathic gang members, and now they have become O.J. wannabes? I don’t
> think so.

I don’t portray them as such. The FBI Uniform Crime reports do.
I have quoted statistics from memory. I ask that you either correct them,
or accept them. But don’t blame the messenger.

> * I did the black nation a FAVOR by warning it that such a choice, however
> * defiant, would simply deflect publicity away from the goals of the march.
>
> Sure, woton. Anyone who wants to check your motives just has to trot over
> to alt.fan.oj-simpson to see what an “ambassador” to the black nation
> really is trying to pull. I can repost a couple of them to demonstrate
> what a rabid hatemonger you are to a different audience.
>

I don’t understand what you are saying here. I’ve not advocated hate, only
separatism. Liberals always link statistical negatives about their pet
minority groups to racism or hate. But we now see through this smokescreen;
you are merely, out of embarrasment, trying to protect the social reforms of
the 1960’s that have been so disasterous to both blacks and whites, dear.

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On 8 Oct 1995, Civilized Man wrote:

> wotan wrote:
>
> Are’nt you angry and scared at the idea of 1 million+ black men coming
> together to better themselves and their nation? Strong, tenacious and
> disciplined African men in one place. Whew! Send chills up your
> devil-like spine, heh?

Dissapointed but not surprised that once again, the black nation
turns to the Federal government to solve problems it can only solve
itself. I’m reminded of the Chinese and Irish laborers of the last
century, and brutality they received due to racism. Their descendants
are now by and large successful, in financial terms. But when they
were being lynched (I know at least the Irish were by the Know-Noth-
ings), they didn’t cry to the federal government. Rather, they
BUILT the infrastructure of the cities in which they dwelled, and thus
lay the foundation for their children’s employment in its maintenance
and contracting; brilliant! I know less of the Chinese railroad lab-
orers, other than they suffered at least one massacre not to mention
a high death rate from the work itself; their great grandchildren are
certainly not dwelling in crack infested housing projects, dropping
out of school, running with gangs, selling drugs, getting teenage girls
pregnent without any means of support provided. The history of these
two oppressed groups show that through self-sacrifice and intelligence,
a single despised generation can overcome racism and yield sucessful
descendants.

>
> > There are about 8 million black men in the US in the age
> > range 20-55. Of these, 1 in 3 is tied up in the criminal
> > justice system – either in jail, on probation, parole, bail,
> > or with outstanding arrest or desk warrants.
>
> Rakshsa, the Sentencing Report just released says that 1 in 3 black men
> ages 18-29 are tied up in the criminal justice system. Get your wicked
> drivel straight. Anyway, this is all the more reason for the march.
>

I stand corrected; I admit that I knew my quote was off, but it was based
on this consideration: If 1 of 3 blacks are involved now, what about in
the past 30 years? First, the violent crime rate is actually going down; it
is a result of this stepped up incarceration of black males (compared
to 1 out of 4 in 1990). Thus, if blacks were not tied up in the justice
system in the past, they were free to commit the felonies that are
reflected in much higher violent crime rates for the late-1980’s and early
1990’s than today; they were going unpunished committing violent acts. It
is the high incarceration rate of those caught in possession of crack,
that has reduced the violence. Even Jesse Jackson admits this sentancing has
resulted in massive incarceration of black males, by asking for commesurate
sentances for powered cocaine users (whites) as part of his racial
retribution agenda. Secondly, I assume that most of those in the 18-29
age group have continued to grow older, during the past 30 years of elevated
crime rates coinciding with Civil Rights legislation. 18 year old street
thugs in 1975 are 38 years old today. Due to plea-bargaining and the
anti-incarceration sentiment hanging over from the late-1960’s, 100,000s
of these males got away with innumerable violent assaults and robberies
during the Pre-REagan era; I have witnessed several cases of such in my
own family, where police lacked resources to follow up simple armed
robberies “muggings”, because they were overwhelmed by the caseload. My
white nationalism is unconquerable as a result. And our numbers grow
exponentially. The ADL, Rainbow coalition, etc. cannot stop the rage
of 70 million caucasian males, can they?

But the ramification of your statistic, you do not address other than
saying it is another reason for the march. What about self control of the
individual? Once again, I see a group-victimization excuse for
self-indulgent behavior by individuals.

> Your other stats were false. You are pathetic.

Can you provide the corrected statistics, their source, on the catagor-
ies I presented? Don’t say “do your own homework”, as you are the one
challenging.

> It is a shame that you
> people thrive by such immorality. Its bad enough that your people raped,
> pillaged, enslaved, destroyed, blew up churches, houses, federal
> buildings all through history in the name of white supremacy. You demons
> will certainly go to Hell if there is one.
>
> Civlized Man
>
If we catalog the level of violence and destruction, the human and
financial cost, of black males to America these last 30 years, we see
that they far outweigh the number of anecdotal incidents perpetrated by
white terrorists in the last 75 years. These white terrorists saved the
world from conquest by Adolf Hitler. YOU would be pothole filler on
Die Amerikanishe Kapitolstrasse (Pennsylvania Ave) if that had not been
the case.
The vast majority of “oppressed” blacks in the pre-WWII South enjoyed a
more stable and healthy family life than today. They then moved north
not to escape racism as the revisionists claim, but to take advantage of
the labor shortage resulting from whites fighting in WWII (to which blacks
were largely excluded in the European theatre). But then what did these
blacks’ children do to Detroit in the name of civil rights?

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On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Jeanne Kowalewski wrote:

> [snip]
>
> * Furthermore, wildly-rumored plans to have OJ Simpson as a
> * Lead Marcher as an act of defiance, will obviously cause the
> * media to shift focus from the goals of the march to OJ – a
> * publicity disaster. Comments?
>
> Punch Geraldo for me, then FOAD. You think you’re gonna save the white
> race by spreading rumors, nazi-boy? You are really pathetic.
>
> Jeanne K.
>
>
OJ is the logical choice based on past history. Remember that black
leaders such as Al Sharpton were chastised by women’s groups for planning
a huge getting-out celebration for Mike Tyson, in New York City. And Mike
was found guilty. But such celebration did nearly occur.

The near-universal support for the OJ verdict in the black nation makes
him a by-default role model to black males; he had wealth, power over the
judicial system, and had a white aryan woman as wife over whom he
exercised the ultimate in control. Are these not the goals of a million
plus black males? Perhaps I’m mistaken.

I did the black nation a FAVOR by warning it that such a choice, however
defiant, would simply deflect publicity away from the goals of the march.
But you called me a Nazi-boy, so I guess that makes you right.

 

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On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Jeanne Kowalewski wrote (concerning OJ’s
possible participation in the MMM):

>
> Who started the rumor? You? Les Griswold? George Burdi? Milton Kleim? I
> guess you guys couldn’t whip up enough dissention over in
> alt.fan.oj-simpson by spewing racist epithets and calling for a race war,
> eh? You’d love it if it really happened, and you’d use it to your utmost
> ability to recruit more people into your hategroups.
>

I’ve never been on alt.fan.oj-simpson. Check the ngs I post to. By the way,
OJ _will_ be in the million man march, according to current news reports.

> * The near-universal support for the OJ verdict in the black nation makes
> * him a by-default role model to black males; he had wealth, power over the
> * judicial system, and had a white aryan woman as wife over whom he
> * exercised the ultimate in control. Are these not the goals of a million
> * plus black males? Perhaps I’m mistaken.
>
> No, these are the goals of insecure white supremacist men. Why do you
> assume that a million men of any culture would have a unified goal of
> marrying and controlling “white aryan” women? PULEEEZE.

Cleaver’s Soul on Ice? OJ himself? The large number of white women raped
by black men, compared to black women raped by white men, in the last 30
years (feminists tell us that rape is about control, not sex). While that
certainly is not proof, it does point to a mindset on the part of many
black males who consider the white woman as the “prize” of success in our
society, and consider the black woman, particularly grandmothers who
raise them when their mothers are in rehab, as a symbol of poverty and
the past.

>
> You should re-examine your stereotypes, woton, because they’re downright
> silly. Before O.J. was acquitted, you goose-steppers portrayed AA men as
> sociopathic gang members, and now they have become O.J. wannabes? I don’t
> think so.

I don’t portray them as such. The FBI Uniform Crime reports do.
I have quoted statistics from memory. I ask that you either correct them,
or accept them. But don’t blame the messenger.

> * I did the black nation a FAVOR by warning it that such a choice, however
> * defiant, would simply deflect publicity away from the goals of the march.
>
> Sure, woton. Anyone who wants to check your motives just has to trot over
> to alt.fan.oj-simpson to see what an “ambassador” to the black nation
> really is trying to pull. I can repost a couple of them to demonstrate
> what a rabid hatemonger you are to a different audience.
>

I don’t understand what you are saying here. I’ve not advocated hate, only
separatism. Liberals always link statistical negatives about their pet
minority groups to racism or hate. But we now see through this smokescreen;
you are merely, out of embarrasment, trying to protect the social reforms of
the 1960’s that have been so disasterous to both blacks and whites, dear.

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On 8 Oct 1995, Civilized Man wrote:

> wotan wrote:
>
> Are’nt you angry and scared at the idea of 1 million+ black men coming
> together to better themselves and their nation? Strong, tenacious and
> disciplined African men in one place. Whew! Send chills up your
> devil-like spine, heh?

Dissapointed but not surprised that once again, the black nation
turns to the Federal government to solve problems it can only solve
itself. I’m reminded of the Chinese and Irish laborers of the last
century, and brutality they received due to racism. Their descendants
are now by and large successful, in financial terms. But when they
were being lynched (I know at least the Irish were by the Know-Noth-
ings), they didn’t cry to the federal government. Rather, they
BUILT the infrastructure of the cities in which they dwelled, and thus
lay the foundation for their children’s employment in its maintenance
and contracting; brilliant! I know less of the Chinese railroad lab-
orers, other than they suffered at least one massacre not to mention
a high death rate from the work itself; their great grandchildren are
certainly not dwelling in crack infested housing projects, dropping
out of school, running with gangs, selling drugs, getting teenage girls
pregnent without any means of support provided. The history of these
two oppressed groups show that through self-sacrifice and intelligence,
a single despised generation can overcome racism and yield sucessful
descendants.

>
> > There are about 8 million black men in the US in the age
> > range 20-55. Of these, 1 in 3 is tied up in the criminal
> > justice system – either in jail, on probation, parole, bail,
> > or with outstanding arrest or desk warrants.
>
> Rakshsa, the Sentencing Report just released says that 1 in 3 black men
> ages 18-29 are tied up in the criminal justice system. Get your wicked
> drivel straight. Anyway, this is all the more reason for the march.
>

I stand corrected; I admit that I knew my quote was off, but it was based
on this consideration: If 1 of 3 blacks are involved now, what about in
the past 30 years? First, the violent crime rate is actually going down; it
is a result of this stepped up incarceration of black males (compared
to 1 out of 4 in 1990). Thus, if blacks were not tied up in the justice
system in the past, they were free to commit the felonies that are
reflected in much higher violent crime rates for the late-1980’s and early
1990’s than today; they were going unpunished committing violent acts. It
is the high incarceration rate of those caught in possession of crack,
that has reduced the violence. Even Jesse Jackson admits this sentancing has
resulted in massive incarceration of black males, by asking for commesurate
sentances for powered cocaine users (whites) as part of his racial
retribution agenda. Secondly, I assume that most of those in the 18-29
age group have continued to grow older, during the past 30 years of elevated
crime rates coinciding with Civil Rights legislation. 18 year old street
thugs in 1975 are 38 years old today. Due to plea-bargaining and the
anti-incarceration sentiment hanging over from the late-1960’s, 100,000s
of these males got away with innumerable violent assaults and robberies
during the Pre-REagan era; I have witnessed several cases of such in my
own family, where police lacked resources to follow up simple armed
robberies “muggings”, because they were overwhelmed by the caseload. My
white nationalism is unconquerable as a result. And our numbers grow
exponentially. The ADL, Rainbow coalition, etc. cannot stop the rage
of 70 million caucasian males, can they?

But the ramification of your statistic, you do not address other than
saying it is another reason for the march. What about self control of the
individual? Once again, I see a group-victimization excuse for
self-indulgent behavior by individuals.

> Your other stats were false. You are pathetic.

Can you provide the corrected statistics, their source, on the catagor-
ies I presented? Don’t say “do your own homework”, as you are the one
challenging.

> It is a shame that you
> people thrive by such immorality. Its bad enough that your people raped,
> pillaged, enslaved, destroyed, blew up churches, houses, federal
> buildings all through history in the name of white supremacy. You demons
> will certainly go to Hell if there is one.
>
> Civlized Man
>
If we catalog the level of violence and destruction, the human and
financial cost, of black males to America these last 30 years, we see
that they far outweigh the number of anecdotal incidents perpetrated by
white terrorists in the last 75 years. These white terrorists saved the
world from conquest by Adolf Hitler. YOU would be pothole filler on
Die Amerikanishe Kapitolstrasse (Pennsylvania Ave) if that had not been
the case.
The vast majority of “oppressed” blacks in the pre-WWII South enjoyed a
more stable and healthy family life than today. They then moved north
not to escape racism as the revisionists claim, but to take advantage of
the labor shortage resulting from whites fighting in WWII (to which blacks
were largely excluded in the European theatre). But then what did these
blacks’ children do to Detroit in the name of civil rights?

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On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Jeanne Kowalewski wrote:

> [snip]
>
> * Furthermore, wildly-rumored plans to have OJ Simpson as a
> * Lead Marcher as an act of defiance, will obviously cause the
> * media to shift focus from the goals of the march to OJ – a
> * publicity disaster. Comments?
>
> Punch Geraldo for me, then FOAD. You think you’re gonna save the white
> race by spreading rumors, nazi-boy? You are really pathetic.
>
> Jeanne K.
>
>
OJ is the logical choice based on past history. Remember that black
leaders such as Al Sharpton were chastised by women’s groups for planning
a huge getting-out celebration for Mike Tyson, in New York City. And Mike
was found guilty. But such celebration did nearly occur.

The near-universal support for the OJ verdict in the black nation makes
him a by-default role model to black males; he had wealth, power over the
judicial system, and had a white aryan woman as wife over whom he
exercised the ultimate in control. Are these not the goals of a million
plus black males? Perhaps I’m mistaken.

I did the black nation a FAVOR by warning it that such a choice, however
defiant, would simply deflect publicity away from the goals of the march.
But you called me a Nazi-boy, so I guess that makes you right.

 

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On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Jeanne Kowalewski wrote (concerning OJ’s
possible participation in the MMM):

>
> Who started the rumor? You? Les Griswold? George Burdi? Milton Kleim? I
> guess you guys couldn’t whip up enough dissention over in
> alt.fan.oj-simpson by spewing racist epithets and calling for a race war,
> eh? You’d love it if it really happened, and you’d use it to your utmost
> ability to recruit more people into your hategroups.
>

I’ve never been on alt.fan.oj-simpson. Check the ngs I post to. By the way,
OJ _will_ be in the million man march, according to current news reports.

> * The near-universal support for the OJ verdict in the black nation makes
> * him a by-default role model to black males; he had wealth, power over the
> * judicial system, and had a white aryan woman as wife over whom he
> * exercised the ultimate in control. Are these not the goals of a million
> * plus black males? Perhaps I’m mistaken.
>
> No, these are the goals of insecure white supremacist men. Why do you
> assume that a million men of any culture would have a unified goal of
> marrying and controlling “white aryan” women? PULEEEZE.

Cleaver’s Soul on Ice? OJ himself? The large number of white women raped
by black men, compared to black women raped by white men, in the last 30
years (feminists tell us that rape is about control, not sex). While that
certainly is not proof, it does point to a mindset on the part of many
black males who consider the white woman as the “prize” of success in our
society, and consider the black woman, particularly grandmothers who
raise them when their mothers are in rehab, as a symbol of poverty and
the past.

>
> You should re-examine your stereotypes, woton, because they’re downright
> silly. Before O.J. was acquitted, you goose-steppers portrayed AA men as
> sociopathic gang members, and now they have become O.J. wannabes? I don’t
> think so.

I don’t portray them as such. The FBI Uniform Crime reports do.
I have quoted statistics from memory. I ask that you either correct them,
or accept them. But don’t blame the messenger.

> * I did the black nation a FAVOR by warning it that such a choice, however
> * defiant, would simply deflect publicity away from the goals of the march.
>
> Sure, woton. Anyone who wants to check your motives just has to trot over
> to alt.fan.oj-simpson to see what an “ambassador” to the black nation
> really is trying to pull. I can repost a couple of them to demonstrate
> what a rabid hatemonger you are to a different audience.
>

I don’t understand what you are saying here. I’ve not advocated hate, only
separatism. Liberals always link statistical negatives about their pet
minority groups to racism or hate. But we now see through this smokescreen;
you are merely, out of embarrasment, trying to protect the social reforms of
the 1960’s that have been so disasterous to both blacks and whites, dear.

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[email protected] (ALT.NEWS) wrote:

: All British SUBJECT speak english ONLY!
:
Do you know the problem with British youth? Their parents speak
english and refuse to teach it to their young.

…So-called “netiquette” is a set of constantly-changing, self-imposed
rules. However, the people who harp the loudest about “netiquette” are
often the most hypocritical when it comes to abiding by it.
-Timothy D Fay wrote:

 

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[email protected] (BARD) wrote:

nothing. He just wants some more attention.

:In article , BARD wrote:

If you must do this to yourself please have the decensy to close the
blinds first.

…So-called “netiquette” is a set of constantly-changing, self-imposed
rules. However, the people who harp the loudest about “netiquette” are
often the most hypocritical when it comes to abiding by it.
-Timothy D Fay wrote:

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[email protected] (Jerry Cargill) wrote:

>They called him “rabbi”. He went through the jewish sacraments. He was not
>just a jew but “the king of the jews”.

I know. Why do you think most racist are anti-Christian

 

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Blacks make up approx. 13% of the American Population and
specifically black males make up approx. 6%, but account for…
(1990)

61% of all Robbery
55% of all Murder and Manslaughter
48% of all Illegal Gambling
44% of all Rape
40% of all Drug Violations
39% of all Prostitution
38% of all Motor Theft
38% of all Aggravated Assault
32% of all Embezzlement
30% of all Domestic Violence
22% of all Vandalism

Source:

_Two Nations_ By Andrew Hacker, Ballantine Books, New York,
(c) 1992, Library of Congress: 92-90374

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On 15 Oct 1995, Steve Haugh wrote:

> >
> >Blacks make up approx. 13% of the American Population and
> >specifically black males make up approx. 6%, but account for…
> >(1990)
>
> >61% of all Robbery
> >55% of all Murder and Manslaughter
> >48% of all Illegal Gambling
> >44% of all Rape
> >40% of all Drug Violations
> >39% of all Prostitution
> >38% of all Motor Theft
> >38% of all Aggravated Assault
> >32% of all Embezzlement
> >30% of all Domestic Violence
> >22% of all Vandalism
> >
> >Source:
> >
> >_Two Nations_ By Andrew Hacker, Ballantine Books, New York,
> >(c) 1992, Library of Congress: 92-90374
>
>
> do you think this could be because of the liberty bell curve?
>
>

Rather the bell curve explained by Herrnstein and Murray

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Blacks make up approx. 13% of the American Population and
specifically black males make up approx. 6%, but account for…
(1990)

61% of all Robbery
55% of all Murder and Manslaughter
48% of all Illegal Gambling
44% of all Rape
40% of all Drug Violations
39% of all Prostitution
38% of all Motor Theft
38% of all Aggravated Assault
32% of all Embezzlement
30% of all Domestic Violence
22% of all Vandalism

Source:

_Two Nations_ By Andrew Hacker, Ballantine Books, New York,
(c) 1992, Library of Congress: 92-90374

 

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What will be the white riot? Voting only for candidates who
promise to end affirmative action, forced integration of school
systems across township lines, and new federal housing meant to
destroy white suburbs by importing urban degredation.

Voting for those who will build big, CHEAP prison camps so that
rather than having just 1 of 3 black males between the ages of 19
and 29 in the criminal justice system, we can have 1 of 2 in
lifelong incarceration and thus really lower crime rates!

Voting to cap welfare benefits at 2 dependants. Voting to end
federal aid to public hospitals and school systems in cities.

Voting to end all legal immigration, and toward militarization of
our borders and expulsion of illegals and their by-default legal
offspring, through a nationalization of CA. prop 187, to begin.

Voting for candidates for national office who’ll appoint judges
who’ll throw out so-called desegregation lawsuits by the NAACP
and similar groups, including those funded by the US taxpayer!

By boycotting minority-owned businesses, and forcing our local
governments to do the same when contracting and hiring consult-
ants (This will require Congressional reversal of the 1965 “Civil
Rights” act _first_, the “litmus-test” for congressional election).

By boycotting those newspapers and networks that equate white
rights and nationhood with Nazism, while calling racial unity of
blacks “Civil rights” which in reality is the 30 year old permit
to occupy, then destroy, white neighborhoods and school systems.

Nobody can stop this “riot”, if we start by voting for Pat Buchanan
in the Republican primaries, and let him expose ADL-managed
multiculturalism, the one-sided “racial tolerance” of the last 30 years,
for what it is: Despised and discredited a totalitarian ideology as
Soviet communism!

 

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On 15 Oct 1995, John Q. Public wrote:

> wotan wrote:
>
> >
> >Nobody can stop this “riot”, if we start by voting for Pat Buchanan
> >in the Republican primaries, and let him expose ADL-managed
> >multiculturalism, the one-sided “racial tolerance” of the last 30 years,
> >for what it is: Despised and discredited a totalitarian ideology as
> >Soviet communism!
> >
>
>
> You must be working for one of Buchanan’s rivals.
>
>
>
Please explain. Hasn’t Buchanan been critical of multiculturalism?
Doesn’t he represent a _moderating_ force for those who’d actually
prefer a race war, feeling that the republican system offers them no
opportunity to address grievances concerning minority groups’ effects
on their neighborhoods and schools?

Let’s hear your cute answers now

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On 15 Oct 1995, John Q. Public wrote:

> >Please explain. Hasn’t Buchanan been critical of multiculturalism?
> >Doesn’t he represent a _moderating_ force for those who’d actually
> >prefer a race war, feeling that the republican system offers them no
> >opportunity to address grievances concerning minority groups’ effects
> >on their neighborhoods and schools?
> >
> >Let’s hear your cute answers now
>
>
> I don’t have any “cute” answers. However, I don’t think a candidate
> for president is going to be elected if he runs on a platform
> that is blatantly racist.
>
>
Exposing the lie of diversity’s benefit to our society, the
one-sidedness to it as well, are not racist. They are racial.
For a definition of racism, read my post that answers that
question.

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What_is_racism, ftp’ed from ftp.netcom.com /pub/SF/SFA

WHAT IS RACISM?
by Thomas Jackson
{Originally Published in American Renaissance, Vol 2, No. 8}

There is surely no nation in the world that holds “racism”
in greater horror than does the United States. Compared to other
kinds of offenses, it is thought to be somehow more
reprehensible. The press and public have become so used to tales
of murder, rape, robbery, and arson, that any but the most
spectacular crimes are shrugged off as part of the inevitable
texture of American life. “Racism” is never shrugged off.
For example, when a white Georgetown Law School student reported
earlier this year that black students are not as qualified as
white students, it set off a booming, national controversy about
“racism.” If the student had merely murdered someone he would
have attracted far less attention and criticism.
Racism is, indeed, the national obsession. Universities
are on full alert for it, newspapers and politicians denounce it,
churches preach against it, America is said to be racked with it,
but just what *is* racism?
Dictionaries are not much help in understanding what is
meant by the word. They usually define it as the belief that
one’s own ethnic stock is superior to others, or as the belief
that culture and behavior are rooted in race. When Americans
speak of racism they mean a great deal more than this.
Nevertheless, the dictionary definition of racism is a clue to
understanding what Americans *do* mean. A peculiarly American
meaning derives from the current dogma that all ethnic stocks are
equal. Despite clear evidence to the contrary, all races have
been declared to be equally talented and hard- working, and
anyone who questions the dogma is thought to be not merely wrong
but evil.
The dogma has logical consequences that are profoundly
important. If blacks, for example, are equal to whites in every
way, what accounts for their poverty, criminality, and
dissipation? Since any theory of racial differences has been
outlawed, the only possible explanation for black failure is
white racism. And since blacks are markedly poor, crime-prone,
and dissipated, America must be racked with pervasive racism.
Nothing else could be keeping them in such an abject state.
All public discourse on race today is locked into this rigid
logic. Any explanation for black failure that does not depend on
white wickedness threatens to veer off into the forbidden
territory of racial differences. Thus, even if today’s whites can
find in their hearts no desire to oppress blacks, yesterday’s
whites must have oppressed them. If whites do not consciously
oppress blacks, they must oppress them UNconsciously. If no
obviously racist individuals can be identified, then
*institutions* must be racist. Or, since blacks are failing so
terribly in America, there simply must be millions of white
people we do not know about, who are working day and night to
keep blacks in misery. The dogma of racial equality leaves no
room for an explanation of black failure that is not, in some
fashion, an indictment of white people.
The logical consequences of this are clear. Since we are
required to believe that the only explanation for non-white
failure is white racism, every time a non-white is poor, commits
a crime, goes on welfare, or takes drugs, white society stands
accused of yet another act of racism. All failure or misbehavior
by non-whites is standing proof that white society is riddled
with hatred and bigotry. For precisely so long as non-whites fail
to succeed in life at exactly the same level as whites, whites
will be, by definition, thwarting and oppressing them. This
obligatory pattern of thinking leads to strange conclusions.
First of all, racism is a sin that is thought to be committed
almost exclusively by white people. Indeed, a black congressman
>from Chicago, Gus Savage, and Coleman Young, the black mayor of
Detroit, have argued that only white people *can* be racist.
Likewise, in 1987, the affirmative action officer of the State
Insurance Fund of New York issued a company pamphlet in which
she explained that *all* whites are racist and that *only* whites
can be racist. How else could the plight of blacks be explained
without flirting with the possibility of racial inequality?
Although some blacks and liberal whites concede that non-whites
can, perhaps, be racist, they invariably add that non-whites have
been forced into it as self-defense because of centuries of white
oppression. What appears to be non-white racism is so
understandable and forgivable that it hardly deserves the name.
Thus, whether or not an act is called racism depends on the race
of the racist. What would surely be called racism when done by
whites is thought to be normal when done by anyone else. The
reverse is also true.
Examples of this sort of double standard are so common,
it is almost tedious to list them: When a white man kills a black
man and uses the word “nigger” while doing so, there is an
enormous media uproar and the nation beats its collective breast;
when members of the black Yahweh cult carry out ritual murders of
random whites, the media are silent (see AR of March, 1991).
College campuses forbid pejorative statements about non-whites as
“racist,” but ignore scurrilous attacks on whites.
At election time, if 60 percent of the white voters vote
for a white candidate, and 95 percent of the black voters vote
for the black opponent, it is white who are accused of racial
bias. There are 107 “historically black” colleges, whose
fundamental blackness must be preserved in the name of diversity,
but all historically white colleges must be forcibly integrated
in the name of… the same thing. To resist would be racist.
“Black pride” is said to be a wonderful and worthy thing, but
anything that could be construed as an expression of white pride
is a form of hatred. It is perfectly natural for third-world
immigrants to expect school instruction and driver’s tests in
their own languages, whereas for native Americans to ask them to
learn English is racist.
Blatant anti-white prejudice, in the form of affirmative
action, is now the law of the land. Anything remotely like
affirmative action, if practiced in favor of whites, would be
attacked as despicable favoritism.
All across the country, black, Hispanic, and Asian clubs
and caucuses are thought to be fine expressions of ethnic
solidarity, but any club or association expressly for whites is
by definition racist. The National Association for the
Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) campaigns openly for black
advantage but is a respected “civil rights” organization. The
National Association for the Advancement of White People (NAAWP)
campaigns merely for equal treatment of all races, but is said to
be viciously racist.
At a few college campuses, students opposed to
affirmative action have set up student unions for whites,
analogous to those for blacks, Hispanics, etc, and have been
roundly condemned as racists. Recently, when the white students
at Lowell High School in San Francisco found themselves to be a
minority, they asked for a racially exclusive club like the ones
that non- whites have. They were turned down in horror. Indeed,
in America today, any club not specifically formed to be a white
enclave but whose members simply happen all to be white is
branded as racist.
Today, one of the favorite slogans that define the
asymmetric quality of American racism is “celebration of
diversity.” It has begun to dawn on a few people that “diversity”
is always achieved at the expense of whites (and sometimes men),
and never the other way around. No one proposes that Howard
University be made more diverse by admitting whites, Hispanics,
or Asians. No one ever suggests that National Hispanic University
in San Jose (CA) would benefit from the diversity of having
non-Hispanics on campus. No one suggests that the Black
Congressional Caucus or the executive ranks of the NAACP or the
Mexican-American Legal Defense and Educational Fund suffer from a
lack of diversity. Somehow, it is perfectly legitimate for them
to celebrate *homogeneity*. And yet any all-white group – a
company, a town, a school, a club, a neighborhood – is thought to
suffer from a crippling lack of diversity that must be remedied
as quickly as possible. Only when whites have been reduced to a
minority has “diversity” been achieved.
Let us put it bluntly: To “celebrate” or “embrace”
diversity, as we are so often asked to do, is no different from
*deploring an excess of whites.* In fact, the entire nation is
thought to suffer from an excess of whites. Our current
immigration policies are structured so that approximately 90
percent of our annual 800,000 legal immigrants are non-white. The
several million illegal immigrants that enter the country every
year are virtually all non-white. It would be racist not to be
grateful for this laudable contribution to “diversity.”
It is, of course, only white nations that are called upon to
practice this kind of “diversity.” It is almost criminal to
imagine a nation of any other race countenancing blatant
dispossession of this kind.
What if the United States were pouring its poorest,
least educated citizens across the border into Mexico? Could
anyone be fooled into thinking that Mexico was being “culturally
enriched?” What if the state of Chihuahua were losing its
majority population to poor whites who demanded that schools be
taught in English, who insisted on celebrating the Fourth of
July, who demanded the right to vote even if they weren’t
citizens, who clamored for “affirmative action” in jobs and
schooling?
Would Mexico – or any other non-white nation – tolerate
this kind of cultural and demographic depredation? Of course not.
Yet white Americans are supposed to look upon the flood of
Hispanics and Asians entering their country as a priceless
cultural gift. They are supposed to “celebrate” their own loss
of influence, their own dwindling numbers, their own
dispossession, for to do otherwise would be hopelessly racist.
There is another curious asymmetry about American racism.
When non- whites advance their own racial purposes, no one ever
accuses them of “hating” another group. Blacks can join “civil
rights” groups and Hispanics can be activists without fear of
being branded as bigots and hate mongers. They can agitate openly
for racial preferences that can come only at the expense of
whites. They can demand preferential treatment of all kinds
without anyone ever suggesting that they are “anti-white.”
Whites, on the other hand, need only express their opposition to
affirmative action to be called haters. They need only subject
racial policies that are clearly prejudicial to themselves to be
called racists. Should they actually go so far as to say that
they prefer the company of their own kind, that they wish to be
left alone to enjoy the fruits of their European heritage, they
are irredeemably wicked and hateful.
Here, then is the final, baffling inconsistency about
American race relations. All non-whites are allowed to prefer the
company of their own kind, to think of themselves as groups with
interests distinct from those of the whole, and to work openly
for group advantage. None of this is thought to be racist. At the
same time, *whites* must *also* champion the racial interests of
non-whites. They must sacrifice their own future on the altar of
“diversity” and cooperate in their own dispossession. They are to
encourage, even to subsidize, the displacement of a European
people and culture by alien peoples and cultures. To put it in
the simplest possible terms, white people are cheerfully to
slaughter their own society, to commit racial and cultural
suicide. To refuse to do so would be racism.
Of course, the entire non-white enterprise in the United
States is perfectly natural and healthy. Nothing could be more
natural than to love one’s people and to hope that it should
flourish. Filipinos and El Salvadorans are doubtless astonished
to discover that simply by setting foot in the United States they
are entitled to affirmative action preferences over native-born
whites, but can they be blamed for accepting them? Is it
surprising that they should want their languages, their cultures,
their brothers and sisters to take possession and put their mark
indelibly on the land? If the once-great people of a once-great
nation is bent upon self-destruction and is prepared to hand
over land and power to whomever shows up and asks for it, why
should Mexicans and Cambodians complain?
No, it is the white enterprise in the United States that
is unnatural, unhealthy, and without historical precedent. Whites
have let themselves be convinced that it is racist merely to
object to dispossession, much less to work for their own
interests. Never in the history of the world has a dominant
people thrown open the gates to strangers, and poured out its
wealth to aliens. Never before has a people been fooled into
thinking that there was virtue or nobility in surrendering its
heritage, and giving away to others its place in history.
Of all the races in America, only whites have been tricked into
thinking that a preference for one’s own kind is racism. Only
whites are ever told that a love for their own people is somehow
“hatred” of others. All healthy people prefer the company of
their own kind, and it has nothing to do with hatred. All men
love their families more than their neighbors, but this does not
mean that they hate their neighbors. Whites who love their racial
family need bear no ill will towards non-whites. They only wish
to be left alone to participate in the unfolding of their racial
and cultural destinies.
What whites in America are being asked to do is
therefore utterly unnatural. They are being asked to devote
themselves to the interests of other races and to ignore the
interests of their own. This is like asking a man to forsake his
own children and love the children of his neighbors, since to do
otherwise would be “racist.”
What then, is “racism?” It is considerably more than any
dictionary is likely to say. It is any opposition by whites to
official policies of racial preference for non-whites. It is any
preference by whites for their own people and culture. It is any
resistance by whites to the idea of becoming a minority people.
It is any unwillingness to be pushed aside. It is, in short, any
of the normal aspirations of people-hood that have defined
nations since the beginning of history – but only so long as the
aspirations are those of whites.

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On 15 Oct 1995, John Q. Public wrote:

>
> from your original post that started this thread:
>
> “By boycotting minority-owned businesses, and forcing our local
> governments to do the same when contracting and hiring consult-
> ants (This will require Congressional reversal of the 1965 “Civil
> Rights” act _first_, the “litmus-test” for congressional election).”
>
> How is this not blatantly racist?
>

Were the boycotts led by black civil rights leaders in the 1960s
considered racist? They were in response to then-legal segregation, that
was racist. Whites today face racism, not nearly so obvious, but
nonetheless destructive. Reread the UNSPOKEN WAR and WHAT IS RACISM posts
to learn that there is state-sponsored and media-sponsored reverse
discrimination, white-nationhood censorship that voids any attempt at
whites formally uniting as Caucasian Americans the way blacks have united
as African Americans, and an onslaught of physical abuse that invariably
has racist motivation.

Also ftp the ftp.netcom.com /pub/SF/SFA for more files on this topic.
Note, I strongly disagree with some of that Identity site’s
philosophies, but that’s the position whites are being forced, by
exclusion from traditional channels of expressing discontent on their
future as another racial group, with rights as such.

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On 15 Oct 1995, John Atchley wrote:

> >> You must be working for one of Buchanan’s rivals.
> >>
> >Please explain. Hasn’t Buchanan been critical of multiculturalism?
>
> >Let’s hear your cute answers now
>
> Yep, I was right earlier. You’re either a liberal playing games or a so
> called conservative who is not only racist, but dumber than a box of rocks as
> well. You’re so inarticulate that I’m not even quite sure whether you think
> you’ve just trapped “John Q.” into a contradiction (you haven’t) or whether
> you just didn’t get it when he said “you must be working for one of Buchanan’s
> rivals.”
>
> In case the latter is true; John Q’s statement was meant to be a sarcastic
> jab, “wotan.” As in, “By opening *your* mouth (figuratively) in support of
> Pat Buchanan you demonstrate admirably why no thinking person should vote for
> him.” Hence — you must be working for Buchanan’s rivals.
>
> Has it occured to you that by being biggotted, extreme, and just plain stupid
> in public the only ones who are going to believe what you have to say are the
> already biggotted, extreme, and stupid?

You are making an invalid assumption that my white riot propoasals are
extreme, just plain stupid, or bigotted. How many are _already_ in
progress in one way or another, due to the Republican sweep of congress in
1994? And while the Repub congress may do some stupid things, it is hardly
considered bigotted or extreme.

Hasn’t Dinesh Desouza, in The End to Racism proposed overturning the
1965 Civil Rights Act?

And in a republican system, should not the electorate voice it’s ire at
the poll? If not there, where? Thankfully, we do not have Beer Halls.

Buchanan is _the_ candidate for the white disenfranchised, not the
well-off establishment golf-clubber. Can you itemize which of my white
riot proposals he would oppose, other than my spurious call for a boycott
of black contractors (which I admit was mean-spirited, to use a liberal
catchphrase)?

Your sweeping dismissal of my proposals, with traditional ADL-style
labeling smacks of elitism, not populism. That’s because you have not
substantively challenged a single item on the white riot agenda.

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