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R.S. writes:
In article <[email protected]>
>> Well, Raina, I think I would have been the expert to contact on this
>>subject…. 🙂
>> The majority
>>of the Christians in the course of history have been the Anglo-Saxon,
>>Germanic, Celtic and kindred peoples of Europe. These people, who appear
>>exactly at the time Israel DISappears from history, bear the marks of
>>Israel. They are Israel.
>> The majority of “Jews” of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>>descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>>to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ.
>
>OK, so the real Jews moved to Europe and became Celts, Anglo-Saxons, and
>Nordics.

Where does this “real Jews” stuff come from? The term “Jew” isn’t
found in the Bible until I Kings, and then it only has reference to the
House of Judah. The word “Jew” has had a few connotations throughout
history, mostly the following:

1. One descended from Judah, a member of the tribe of Judah.
2. After the split of the whole House of Israel (12 tribes) into 2
separate kingdoms, it referred to all members of the House of Judah.
(Judahites, Benjamites and some Levites).
3. After the return to Palestine, the term “Jew” meant “Judean, one who
dwells in Judea.” That is the meaning whenever it is seen in the NT. The
Jewish Encyclopedia admits that in the 4th c. B.C., many Edomites “became
Jews” by helping defend the Temple. Herrod was one of these Idumeans’
descendants.
4. Today, it connotates anyone who is a member of the Jewish religion;
therefore, Sammy Davis, Jr. and Whoopi Goldberg can be called “Jews.”

Sammy Davis’ forefathers did not found Europe.
The residue of Edomites in Palestine at Christ’s day did not found
Europe.
“Jews” did not found Europe.
(Listen closely now) *ISRAELITES* founded Europe, the legitimate
descendants of the northern 10 tribes.

>The remaining Jews were all killed or enslaved by the Romans.

Yes.

>The Jewish religion came to an end.

Hardly. No one said that-except you. Shame it didn’t….

>Then hundreds of years later, the
>Khazars, out of the blue, with no one influencing them to do so, dig up
>the dead religion, dust it off, and convert to it.

The Khazars were “influenced” by the Christian Russians to their
north and the Muslim Arabs to their south who were set to destroy each
other and claim Khazaria for themselves. The Khazarians hedged their bets
and decided to convert to NEITHER of the religions but Judaism instead.
According to their mythology, they found a book of the Law in some cave
and decided to adopt it. This is doubtful. The Jewish Encyclopedia
states that they sent for rabbis in the 8th c. A.D. to inform them of it,
and the rabbis did so.
The rabbis were still around, as they were still alive, and the
pharisaic religion had never died out. There were also Edomites in those
captured by the Romans-remember.

>Then they proceed to
>scatter among the nations

Yep.

>They manage to create a false front so that it will appear that they
>actually have based their religious, communal, educational, legal, social, and
>cultural structures on something of substance. They fool everyone. (Well,
>except you).

They did base it on something of substance: The Talmud. And its
substance is still being thrashed out….

>R.
>
>Should I become an Identity Christian so that I will be a real Jew?
>Will they let me join?
>R.

No, but you could stop asking stupid question.

BJ
[email protected]

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In article <3vc4pn$c[email protected]> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson ([email protected]) wrote:
>: The majority of “Jews” of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ. Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>: Arthur Koelter, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>: writings.
>
>Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>
Wrote “literature,” his breakthrough was “Darkness at noon” or
something to that effect-a pre-“1984.”

_BJ

From [email protected] Fri Aug 4 09:53:18 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> blabount@@mutt.hamline.edu (Brian A LaBounty) writes:
>Ben Johnson charges some guy with lies… [totality snipped]
>
(totality true, though)

>No, you just say that modern Jews, descended from Esau, are the enemies
>of God’s children, which you claim are white Europeans.
>I guess we should all be repentant for assuming you are
>anything less than a loving Christian soul and not at all a racist.
>
Since the entire thing is from the Bible, 100% Biblical truth-yes.
“Racists” use Mein Kampf or whatever the guy wearing bedsheets tells them
as their basis-mine is the Bible. Buehler cannot compete with me when
dealing with the Bible, (or dealing with other people in a Biblical manner,
for that matter) and everything I write is to help Christians have a more
correct understanding of the Bible-including who the Chosen People really are.
Besides, the matter was not if I was “racist” or not, but whether I
said the things he claimed I said. After I publicly denied all his
imputed beliefs and dealings, he continues to unrepentantly repeat them.
That would call for repentance. It’s not too much to ask, but it’s too
much to expect.
What constitutes a “loving Christian soul” is determined by
Christianity-specifically the Book of Christianity, the Bible, not by what
people say it is. Least of all Jews on the internet.

In Christ Jesus, the Savior of Israel,
Ben Johnson
[email protected]

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Just wanted to deal with some of Buehler’s lies. My response
apparently did not get posted to the nets before this time.
Buehler claims the Book of Romans is addressed to “spiritual
descendants of Abraham” and THAT’S really what the pharse “our father
Abraham” means. Could he please explain the following:
Romans 4:1 – “What shall we say then about Abraham, our father *according
to the flesh*?” Let me guess-Paul is talking about SPIRITUAL FLESH!!! He
certainly wasn’t writing to ISRAELITES in Rome, like the letter would seem
to indicate to anyone not going out of his way to see it otherwise!
As per Timothy, it was added because of Beuhler’s ridiculous
statement that Paul was only the “apostle to the gentiles.” “Timothy, as
we both showeed, was not a “Gentile.” Golly, could that show Paul was
interested in teaching the House of Israel-the only people to whom our
Lord and Savior Christ Jesus was sent to (Matt. 15:24)? Could be. Oddly
enough, Buehler turned around and used Timothy to prove that he was right!

For more info., e-mail me or “anonymous” ftp to: ftp.netcom.com
cd /pub/SF/SFA

For the Glory of Christ,
Ben Johnson
[email protected]

From [email protected] Sat Aug 5 08:46:56 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Richard Schultz) writes:
>In article ,
>Benjamin Johnson wrote:
>
>> What constitutes a “loving Christian soul” is determined by
>>Christianity-specifically the Book of Christianity, the Bible, not by what
>>people say it is. Least of all Jews on the internet.
>
>Could you please post where in the Old Testament Jesus is mentioned by name?
>If you ever answered that question (other than to say it was somewhere in
>the Douay translation), I must have missed it. Thanks a bunch.
>–
>

You must have missed it. Habakuk 3:18.

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You must have missed it. Habakuk 3:18.

From [email protected] Mon Aug 7 21:59:58 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Adam Krims) writes:
>Shame on all of you good guys and gals! I told you while I was away, to
>remind Ben Johnson of his (virtually admitted) inability to distinguish
>between the literal and figurative in the Bible, if he posts material
>based on it. Noone has done it! I can’t go away for two weeks?
>
Shame on you, my Talmud-thumpin’ nemesis. I answered your question.
First off, there is no point giving Christian truth to those who have
decided to reject it ahead of time, so I do not answer questions from Jews
on these points. The work is available from those Christians who haven’t
yet overcome the temptation to waste their time in this manner.
Second, I answered your question.
Third, go away.

>Hi, Ben!
>
I like your use of initials; if pronounced phonetically, they sound
like a noise one makes while vomitting.
>AK

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Richard Schultz) writes:
>In article ,
>Benjamin Johnson wrote:
>>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Richard Schultz) writes:
>
>>>Could you please post where in the Old Testament Jesus is mentioned by name?
>
>> You must have missed it. Habakuk 3:18.
>
>Now things become clear. This reference is only true (for English versions)
>for the Douay. This is because the Douay translation is based on the
>Vulgate, not the original Hebrew.

That’s OK, the “original Hebrew” isn’t based on the original Hebrew.
Well, I presume you’re using the Masoretic Text, which was created
somewhere around 1054 A.D…..

Ben

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In article <400vd8$i[email protected]> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson ([email protected]) wrote:
>: In article <3vc4pn$c[email protected]> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
>: >Benjamin Johnson ([email protected]) wrote:
>: >: The majority of “Jews” of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>: >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>: >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ. Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>: >: Arthur Koestler, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>: >: writings.
>: >
>: >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>: >
>: Wrote “literature,” his breakthrough was “Darkness at noon” or
>: something to that effect-a pre-“1984.”
>:
>: _BJ
>:
>
>If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
>is easy to see why you are not taken seriously.
>
Ah, so his novels don’t count, huh?? That is what he is best
remembered for, particularly “Darkness at Noon.” I personally don’t give
a !#$% about the man-the less I hear about anti-Christs like him the
better-but I am interested in his research and exposee of his own people.
Funny how you missed that in your “post.” If that’s how
intellecutlaly stable you are and the strength of your character, it would
explain why you are regarded as intellectually dishonest.

-BJ

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>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:

Benjamin> In article <400vd8$i[email protected]> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
>> Benjamin Johnson ([email protected]) wrote:
>>> In article <3vc4pn$c[email protected]> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
>>> >Benjamin Johnson ([email protected]) wrote:
>>> >: The majority of “Jews” of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
>>> >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
>>> >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ. Norman Pollack, M.D.,
>>> >: Arthur Koestler, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
>>> >: writings.
>>> >
>>> >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
>>> >
>>> Wrote “literature,” his breakthrough was “Darkness at noon” or
>>> something to that effect-a pre-“1984.”
>>>
>>> _BJ
>>>
>>
>> If this is an example of your scholastic skill and reliability, then it
>> is easy to see why you are not taken seriously.
>>

Speaking of intellectual honesty (a concept completely foreign
to idiots like you) here is what you clipped

Arthur KOESTLER wrote “Darkness at Noon”. The family name was written
variously “Koestler”, “Kestler” or “Kesztler” by his grandfather Leopold.
There is no mention of its ever being “Koelter”.

Benjamin> Ah, so his novels don’t count, huh?? That is what he is best

That is not what he said. What he said is that you have no clue hat
Koestler’s name is.

Benjamin> remembered for, particularly “Darkness at Noon.” I personally don’t give
Benjamin> a !#$% about the man-the less I hear about anti-Christs like him the
Benjamin> better-but I am interested in his research and exposee of his own people.
Benjamin> Funny how you missed that in your “post.” If that’s how
Benjamin> intellecutlaly stable you are and the strength of your character, it would
Benjamin> explain why you are regarded as intellectually dishonest.

Irony, to the extreme.

(Followups set to “talk.politics.misc” where I am posting from.)

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In article [email protected] (Andrew Hall) writes:
>>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:
>
> >>> >Benjamin Johnson ([email protected]) wrote:
> >>> >: The majority of “Jews” of today (Azerkhenazic) admit to having been
> >>> >: descended from the Khazars, an Asiatic nation in S. Russia that converted
> >>> >: to Judaism many centuries after the Advent of Christ. Norman Pollack, M.D.,
> >>> >: Arthur Koestler, Alfred Lillienthal and many others admit this in their
> >>> >: writings.
> >>> >
> >>> >Who is or was Arthur Koelter, for example?
> >>> >
> >>> Wrote “literature,” his breakthrough was “Darkness at noon” or
> >>> something to that effect-a pre-“1984.”
> >>>
> >>> _BJ
> >>>
> >>
>
>Speaking of intellectual honesty (a concept completely foreign
>to idiots like you) here is what you clipped
>
> Arthur KOESTLER wrote “Darkness at Noon”. The family name was written
> variously “Koestler”, “Kestler” or “Kesztler” by his grandfather Leopold.
> There is no mention of its ever being “Koelter”.
>
>That is not what he said. What he said is that you have no clue hat
>Koestler’s name is.
>
Since I’ve given “Koestler”‘s name perfectly in about a dozen postings
now, one would think it would be assumed that I made a TYPO, as was the
case. I’m really glad I chose to illustrate “intellectually dishonesty,”
and even happier you joined the fray.

-BJ

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>Hi, Ben!
>
I like your use of initials; if pronounced phonetically, they sound
like a noise one makes while vomitting.
>AK

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-BJ

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>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:

Speaking of intellectual honesty (a concept completely foreign
to idiots like you) here is what you clipped

Benjamin> Ah, so his novels don’t count, huh?? That is what he is best

That is not what he said. What he said is that you have no clue hat
Koestler’s name is.

Irony, to the extreme.

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>Hi, Ben!
>
I like your use of initials; if pronounced phonetically, they sound
like a noise one makes while vomitting.
>AK

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That’s OK, the “original Hebrew” isn’t based on the original Hebrew.
Well, I presume you’re using the Masoretic Text, which was created
somewhere around 1054 A.D…..

Ben

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-BJ

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>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:

Speaking of intellectual honesty (a concept completely foreign
to idiots like you) here is what you clipped

Benjamin> Ah, so his novels don’t count, huh?? That is what he is best

That is not what he said. What he said is that you have no clue hat
Koestler’s name is.

Irony, to the extreme.

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-BJ

From [email protected] Tue Aug 8 22:04:31 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Moshe Shulman ) writes:
>>From: [email protected] (Benjamin Johnson)
>
>>>>>Could you please post where in the Old Testament Jesus is mentioned
>by name?
>>>> You must have missed it. Habakuk 3:18.
>
>> That’s OK, the “original Hebrew” isn’t based on the original
>Hebrew.
>>Well, I presume you’re using the Masoretic Text, which was created
>>somewhere around 1054 A.D…..
>
>WRONG Mr. ignoramus.

Gotta love the “love” of a Jew.

>The MT is considered the OLDEST by scholars such
>as Prof. Cross from Harvard. What was done in the 11th century
>(actually earlier) is to deal with some minor differences oof
>manuscripts that crept in. The differences between them and
>manuscripts from the 1st century (like th Isaiah scroll) are trivial.
>
The point is that a list of church fathers as long as my arm claimed
that the Hebraic manuscripts were CHANGED after the time of Christ by
Christ-deniers such as….Moshe Schulman, for example. The Hebrew
(and sadly, the Greek, though to lesser extent)….has been “preserved” by
pharisees and their modern equivalents, the rabbis, who have a vested
interest in obscuring Christ’s identity in the OT. The early church used
the Septuagint almost overwhelmingly, and Jerome translated from the
uncorrupted Hebrew and Greek VERY early in the history of Christendom.
It is admitted by the so-called “Jews for Jesus” that rabbis of the
time of Christ preached only “Messiah ben David,” the conquering warrior
messiah, and not the suffering messiah that was supposed to come
initially, so that the pharisees’ flock would not follow Christ. After
all, if they followed Christians, the pharisees lost their prestige.
Could it be they would also CHANGE their works for this same account?
According to faculty in Israeli univeristies, they changed the Talmud for
the same reason-to hide references to Christ, in the latter case, all
blasphemous.

For Christ,
Ben Johnson
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From [email protected] Wed Aug 9 23:15:21 PDT 1995
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In article <4088u2$f2r@newsbf02.news.aol.com> [email protected] (Mklein199) writes:
>
>Well, I believe that we are God’s choosen people, but I have been called
>an anti-Christ as well, because I will not accept that lier as a messiah.
>Sorry, but Jesus is NOT my messiah.
>
That’s right: Jesus the Christ was “not sent but unto the lost sheep
of the house of Israel” (Matt. 15:24). “Ye hear Me not, for ye are not
my sheep” (John 10) & “ye believe Me not, for ye are not of God” (John 7).
The Israelites were prophecied to accept their Messiah (Ezek. 36,
Hosea 2, ad infinitum). The Israelites DID-they are the Anglo-Saxon,
Germanic, Scandinavian and kindred peoples. For more info., use
“anonymous” ftp to: ftp.netcom.com cd /pub/SF/SFA
Jesus the Christ was not a “lier.” “It is impossible for God to
lie”(Hebrews 6). “Who is a *liar* but he that denies that Jesus is the
Christ? He is anti-Christ which denies the Father and the Son: whoever
has not the Son, the same hath not the Father” (I John 2:21-22).

For Christ the King,
Ben Johson
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>>: I answered your question.
>>
>>No, you claimed that you wouldn’t give me the answer, since I was a
>>”dog.” You then asked me the question.
>>
Then I answered your question. “Do you promise to tell the truth,
the WHOLE truth….” Well, at least you’re honest.

>>: First off, there is no point giving Christian truth to those who have
>>: decided to reject it ahead of time, so I do not answer questions from Jews
>>: on these points.
>>
>>You would, if you had a decent answer to give.

No, as I stated, I’m not interested in preaching to Jews, and I don’t CARE
what Jews think one way or another.

>>: The work is available from those Christians who haven’t
>>: yet overcome the temptation to waste their time in this manner.
>>
>>Then assuming you’ve read the work, you should have no trouble answering the
>>question.
>>
No trouble-I just don’t waste my time with yids.

>>: Second, I answered your question.
>>
>>Where? Noone on this newsgroup seems to have seen it.

Then they haven’t been reading-I posted it over 3 weeks ago.

>>How _do_ you tell
>>when to interpret literally and when to interpret figuratively, Ben?
>>
My answer, YET AGAIN, to Bible-believing Christians who happen to be
lurking, very simply: For prophecy, read the entire Bible, and if the
Bible says a prophecy was fulfilled, it was fulfilled. For example, Acts
ch. 2 fulfills a prophecy of Joel….You can even get a “cross-reference”
Bible, if you want to invest I think it’s now @ $40, which will tell you
when a verse is cited elsewhere in the Bible.
For Bible prophecy not specifically spelled out as having been
fulfilled in the Bible, get a concordance or something of the like. Study
the use of symbols in similar prophecies (“Beast” in Rev. and Daniel,
which are overlapping prophecies). That will point you in the direction
of what to look for.
When Christ said to a Canaanite woman, “I am not sent but unto the
Lost Sheep of the House of Israel,” the meaning is rather clear.
The Book of Obadiah, if read in conjunction with God’s other
pronouncements on Esau and his descendants the Edomites (who intermarried
with the Canaanites), such as one in Psalms or Malachi 1 or Romans 9, is also
clear.

>>At least here, you’re sticking to a level of argument that more suits
>>your abilities. You’re going down, Ben, and it’s fun to watch!
>>
Remember, folks, my truism on Jews and “debate” on the internet: You
will introduce a topic, give references, etc., and they will whine about
how you’re wrong and “We 3-year-old girl molestin’ Talmud believers are
your friends” en masse, then claim victory in a rash and most unmerited way.
Thanks for proving me right, AK.
Christians: For more info., e-mail me, or “anonymous” ftp to:
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In Christ the Ruler with the rod of Iron,
Ben Johnson
[email protected]

From [email protected] Wed Aug 9 23:15:44 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Moshe Shulman ) writes:
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>> The Khazars were “influenced” by the Christian Russians to their
>>north and the Muslim Arabs to their south who were set to destroy each
>>other and claim Khazaria for themselves. The Khazarians hedged their
>bets
>>and decided to convert to NEITHER of the religions but Judaism
>instead.
>>According to their mythology, they found a book of the Law in some
>cave
>>and decided to adopt it. This is doubtful. The Jewish Encyclopedia
>>states that they sent for rabbis in the 8th c. A.D. to inform them of
>it,
>>and the rabbis did so.
>
>
>Ben, Only the upper classes converted to Judaism. Scholars put the
>total number of Jews at around 35,000 at it’s maximum.
>
….which became many more thousand, which were expelled from
Khazaria for attempting to undermine the Christian Russian government,
which later moved throughout E. Europe (after being expelled further and
further west by each “host” nation) and is E. European Jewry
today (see the book “Iron Curtain over America” for fully
documented-from JEWISH sources-details)-descended directly from Esau, whom God
hates (Malachi 1) and whom He has hated since before Esau was born (Romans 9).
Interesting you mention “purity” and “African blood,” since Esau
intermarried with Canaanites. Since you are Esau’s descendant, you can be
at best a mongrelized breed of all those people through history Yahweh and
His Son Jesus the Christ has chosen to hate. Also, an anthropological
study of @20 years ago showed some Jews have 10% African genes.
That should be up after that Lisa Marie Presley-Michael Jackson
marriage. 🙂

For more info., use “anonymous” ftp to: ftp.netcom.com cd /pub/SF/SFA

In Christ Jesus,
Ben
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Adam Krims) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson ([email protected]) wrote:
>: ….which became many more thousand, which were expelled from
>: Khazaria for attempting to undermine the Christian Russian government,
>: which later moved throughout E. Europe (after being expelled further and
>: further west by each “host” nation) and is E. European Jewry
>: today (see the book “Iron Curtain over America” for fully
>: documented-from JEWISH sources-details)-descended directly from Esau, whom God
>: hates (Malachi 1) and whom He has hated since before Esau was born (Romans 9).
>: Interesting you mention “purity” and “African blood,” since Esau
>: intermarried with Canaanites. Since you are Esau’s descendant, you can be
>: at best a mongrelized breed of all those people through history Yahweh and
>: His Son Jesus the Christ has chosen to hate. Also, an anthropological
>: study of @20 years ago showed some Jews have 10% African genes.
>: That should be up after that Lisa Marie Presley-Michael Jackson
>: marriage. 🙂
>
>A reminder for readers of Ben’s posts: despite having sometimes cited the
>Bible as literal truth, and another time having claimed that some of it
>must be taken metaphorically, Ben has yet to answer how one decides what
>to take literally, and what to take metaphorically. His biblical
>exegeses, therefore, like the one above, are to be taken as primarily
>humorous.
>
Just a reminder that Adam Krims spent time just a few posts earlier
answering my answer to his question. And he’s an anti-Christ Jew, hence
not to be paid attention to by anyone who is not an animal lover. 🙂

Ben

>Just a friendly note,
>
>AK

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Moshe Shulman ) writes:
>>>>Well, I presume you’re using the Masoretic Text, which was created
>>>>somewhere around 1054 A.D…..
>>>WRONG Mr. ignoramus.
>>Gotta love the “love” of a Jew.
>
>Ben, you are an ignoramus, how does that reflect on my emotional
>feelings about you. (Which is not love, but utter disgust.)
>
Moshe, you are an anti-Christ Jew. When they circumcised you, they
didn’t go far enough.
My point being, I thought Judaism was a “beautiful religion” that
taught love for everyone on earth, and forgiveness no matter
what…..instead it produces those whose consciences have been circumcised
to the point of removal, such as yourself.

>> The point is that a list of church fathers as long as my arm
>claimed
>>that the Hebraic manuscripts were CHANGED after the time of Christ by
>>Christ-deniers such as….Moshe Schulman, for example. The Hebrew
>
>1. The church fathers are wrong.

Sure they are. No, the Jews are wrong.

>>the Septuagint almost overwhelmingly, and Jerome translated from the
>>uncorrupted Hebrew and Greek VERY early in the history of Christendom.
>
>Jerome used the Hebrew in use by Rabbis (who were those that
>taught him Hebrew) so that he could CORRECT the errors of the
>Greek/LXX.
>
They teach you all kinds of things in yid school, don’t they? Odd,
the Church never taught that….in fact denies it vehemently. No
historical documents outside Jewish sources teach it either. Hmm…. I
guess that’s why you’re on “alt.revisionism,” huh? 🙂

>> It is admitted by the so-called “Jews for Jesus” that rabbis of
>the
>>time of Christ preached only “Messiah ben David,” the conquering
>warrior
>
>I would suggest that you look at the DSS where we see that they held
>from more then one Messiah (the Rabbis mention 4).
>
But they only preached one during Christ’s time, according to Jews
for Jesus. If you’ve got a problem, kvetch at them.

>>According to faculty in Israeli univeristies, they changed the Talmud
>for
>>the same reason-to hide references to Christ, in the latter case, all
>>blasphemous.
>
>The Talmud was censored by the CHURCH.
>
The Talmud was BANNED by the Church. The rabbis chose to censor
texts about Christ burning in hot semen in Hell, for example, in order to
overcome Church objections.

Ben

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Adam Krims) writes:
>Ben finally ventures back into the snare he created for himself:
>
>Benjamin Johnson ([email protected]) wrote:
>: >>: I answered your question.
>: >>
>: >>No, you claimed that you wouldn’t give me the answer, since I was a
>: >>”dog.” You then asked me the question.
>: >>
>: Then I answered your question. “Do you promise to tell the truth,
>: the WHOLE truth….” Well, at least you’re honest.
>
>This is incoherent, as far as I can tell. Let’s move on:
>
which just proves you can’t “tell” much.

>: No, as I stated, I’m not interested in preaching to Jews, and I don’t CARE
>: what Jews think one way or another.
>
>Funny, you certainly spend a lot of time talking to us.
>
Good point. I’m done answering any yid posts. Any Christians who
are interested in the TRUTH may e-mail me or check out ftp ftp.netcom.com
cd/pub/SF/SFA

>In fact, I don’t think many Jews are interested in hearing you preach.
>But the fact is, you have been posting biblical quotations for both Jews
>and non-Jews, in the midst of which you have created two categories of
>interpretation: literal and figurative. If you want anybody, Jewish or
>otherwise, to take you seriously, you have some explaining to do about
>this exegetic categories.
>
I don’t care about Jews. Believe it or not, there are some segments
of society (about 97% worth) who just do not care what Jews think, feel,
desire or are concerned with. It’s a stunning blow to an ego fed on the
lies of the “accomplishments” of its people (like Ethel Rosenberg, Karl
Marx, possibly Adolf Hitler….), but reality IS reality.

>: >>: Second, I answered your question.
>: >>
>: >>Where? Noone on this newsgroup seems to have seen it.
>
No one else on this newsgroup cares. Since this is an “argument”
between myself and a yiddish heathen (you), I need not answer anymore;
it’s wasting time if that is the case. False issues and whining Jews are
not my idea of a good time.

>: My answer, YET AGAIN, to Bible-believing Christians who happen to be
>: lurking, very simply: For prophecy, read the entire Bible, and if the
>: Bible says a prophecy was fulfilled, it was fulfilled. For example, Acts
>: ch. 2 fulfills a prophecy of Joel….You can even get a “cross-reference”
>: Bible, if you want to invest I think it’s now @ $40, which will tell you
>: when a verse is cited elsewhere in the Bible.
>: For Bible prophecy not specifically spelled out as having been
>: fulfilled in the Bible, get a concordance or something of the like. Study
>: the use of symbols in similar prophecies (“Beast” in Rev. and Daniel,
>: which are overlapping prophecies). That will point you in the direction
>: of what to look for.
>: When Christ said to a Canaanite woman, “I am not sent but unto the
>: Lost Sheep of the House of Israel,” the meaning is rather clear.
>: The Book of Obadiah, if read in conjunction with God’s other
>: pronouncements on Esau and his descendants the Edomites (who intermarried
>: with the Canaanites), such as one in Psalms or Malachi 1 or Romans 9, is also
>: clear.
>
>Well, at least here you’re trying to address the issue, though you’re
>failing dismally.

You see, rule #2-no one can “succeed” in an argument with a Jew but a Jew.
It’s like arguing with a staunch feminist, and for good reason, given the
inherently feminine-not to mention ANNOYING-aspect of the Jewish (lack of)
character.

>Your principal amounts to: read the Bible and you’ll see
>for yourself.

Bingo! The New Testament is so clear only a Jew could get it wrong. 🙂

>the Bible does not offer
>up its own interpretations unproblematically.

It does, if it is read and studied. Jews don’t bother with this, hence it
gives them problems.

>: Remember, folks, my truism on Jews and “debate” on the internet: You
>: will introduce a topic, give references, etc., and they will whine about
>: how you’re wrong and “We 3-year-old girl molestin’ Talmud believers are
>: your friends” en masse, then claim victory in a rash and most unmerited way.
>
>I won’t comment on this, Ben, since your trouncing on the issue of
>molestation was widely witnessed by readers of this group.

The “trouncing,” after my posting of Talmud texts which prove that Jews
think molestation is OK if a girl is under 3 or the boy is uner 9 years of
age, consisted of wailing Jews kvetching, “We do not believe that!”
without a shred of documentary evidence. Pretty good.
Remember my truism on Jews and “debate”….

>: Thanks for proving me right, AK.
>
>: In Christ the Ruler with the rod of Iron,
>: Ben Johnson
>: [email protected]
>

>Lovingly,

Like I say, You’ve gotta love the “love” of a Jew.
To death.

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Michael R Swihart) writes:
>In article [email protected] (Benjamin Johnson) writes:
>=In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Moshe Shulman ) writes:
>=
>=>The MT is considered the OLDEST by scholars such
>=>as Prof. Cross from Harvard. What was done in the 11th century
>=>(actually earlier) is to deal with some minor differences oof
>=>manuscripts that crept in. The differences between them and
>=>manuscripts from the 1st century (like th Isaiah scroll) are trivial.
>=>
>= The point is that a list of church fathers as long as my arm claimed
>=that the Hebraic manuscripts were CHANGED after the time of Christ by
>=Christ-deniers such as….Moshe Schulman, for example. The Hebrew
>
>Can you find any differences between a Hebrew version of the Torah from before
>the time you claim and show differences from the modern Hebrew MT?
>
Can you produce a copy of Hebrew written before the time “I claim”
(Actually, of course, it was historical authorities within Christian
churches of the time).

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Adam Krims) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson ([email protected]) wrote:
>: That’s right: Jesus the Christ was “not sent but unto the lost sheep
>: of the house of Israel” (Matt. 15:24). “Ye hear Me not, for ye are not
>: my sheep” (John 10) & “ye believe Me not, for ye are not of God” (John 7).
>: The Israelites were prophecied to accept their Messiah (Ezek. 36,
>: Hosea 2, ad infinitum). The Israelites DID-they are the Anglo-Saxon,
>: Germanic, Scandinavian and kindred peoples. For more info., use
>: “anonymous” ftp to: ftp.netcom.com cd /pub/SF/SFA
>: Jesus the Christ was not a “lier.” “It is impossible for God to
>: lie”(Hebrews 6). “Who is a *liar* but he that denies that Jesus is the
>: Christ? He is anti-Christ which denies the Father and the Son: whoever
>: has not the Son, the same hath not the Father” (I John 2:21-22).
>
>: For Christ the King,
>: Ben Johson
>: [email protected]
>
>Nice, Ben. Now tell us which parts of this are literal, and which parts
>are figurative. After all, you still have yet to tell us how _we_ could
>know the difference!
>
You cannot, for it is not given to you to know. 🙂 You must have
“eyes to see and ears to hear.”

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In article <40b93r[email protected]> [email protected] (JWCCTI1) writes:
>[email protected] (ben-Trash, Christian) ranted:
>
>> The Israelites DID [worship Jesus] -they are the Anglo-Saxon,
>> Germanic, Scandinavian and kindred peoples.
>
>[deleted]
>
>> For Christ the King,
>> Ben Johson
>> [email protected]
>
>
>Utter bullshit.
>
At least he tells you what’s going to be in his post up front….

>There is not one piece of evidence for this.

Except for the millions of Christians throughout European history and the
fact that Christianity was contained to Europe until the 1500s.

>The Anglo-Saxons came
>from modern Saxony in present-day north Germany and Denmark, in the
>fourth through eighth centuries. Their travels are well documented.
>
Yes, they did. And the Germans came from the Assyrian captivity.
II Esdras talks about *some* Israelites entering Arsareth, modern day SE
Europe.

>The people who were the Germans had come to central Europe from
>further east, specifically the Asian steppe, and conquered native peoples,
>
Get the book “Tracing Our White Ancestors” by Haberman for exactly
where the Germans came from. Or get the Scriptures For America catalog at
ftp.netcom.com cd /pub/SF/SFA

>In Julius Caesar’s (died 44 BCE) day, they were called the Goths. They
>already ranged from the Carpathians to present-day Normandy in his time.
>
As I recall, the Assyrian invasion was before 44 B.C., so what this has to
do with anything is a mystery to all non-Colliers.

>Jews, also entered
>Europe through Greece and Iberia first,

Here he admits some things he should not. Greece is Arsareth I referred
to above. But they did this LONG before 44 B.C.! They did it and it is
recorded in II Esdras, which documents the action as long before Colier
admits it happened.
ALso, “Iberia” means “Peninsula of the *Hebrews*”! The Celts
(Irish, specifically) came from Iberia and one of their earlier tribal
names reflects this. THEY were the “Heberws” (Israelites) for which
Iberia was named!

>and then elsewhere along the
>Mediterranean, and usually lived apart, but near other pagan or Christian,
>and later Muslim peoples.
>
The problem: If Jews only entered AFTER Christians were around, then
they cannot be Israelites, or II Esdras would not have recorded what it did.
This still all evades the issue of ISRAELITES ACCORDING TO THE FLESH
being prophecied to accept Christ! Jews never have, and it speaks volumes
rigth there.
If any Christians want anymore info., e-mail me or check the ftp site.

>Jim Collier
>
is a pussy.

Ben
[email protected]

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>>>>> Benjamin Johnson writes:

Benjamin> I don’t care about Jews. Believe it or not, there are some segments
Benjamin> of society (about 97% worth) who just do not care what Jews think, feel,

Your delusions are tragicomic…

If .005% of the population held your insane
bigoted ideas I would be worried, your 97%
figure is as crazy as most of your ideas.

(Followups set to “talk.politics.misc” where I am posting from.)

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>Finally, Christ-boy realizes what those of us with brains have known for
>a long time: he has cooked his own goose with his literal/figurative
>nonsense. Good riddance, Ben! If it’s any consolation, you weren’t
>fooling anybody with enough brains to tie his/her shoes, anyway.
>
When was the last time anyone here tied “his/her **SHOES**”???? That
must take brains, indeed.

>Funny — given the lack of Jewish accomplishment, we still manage to rule
>the world (in the diseased minds of people like Ben).
>
Ben does not believe Jews rule the world-God rules the world.

>Nice to see that you won’t be responding to me (or other Jews).
>
This does not mean I will not answer Jewish posts, only that I do not
“discuss” things with Jews. I will cite Jewish posts to preach to the
lurkers, or in your case, to show them your INCREDIBLE brain power.
No wonder (according to “The Dispossessed Majority”) 70% of all
comedians are Jews. To quote that old Ringo Starr song, all you’ve gotta
do is “Act Naturally.”

>
>: >: Remember, folks, my truism on Jews and “debate” on the internet: You
>: >: will introduce a topic, give references, etc., and they will whine about
>: >: how you’re wrong and “We 3-year-old girl molestin’ Talmud believers are
>: >: your friends” en masse, then claim victory in a rash and most unmerited way.
>: >
>
>People have better memories than that, Ben. Many posters cited vast
>passages from the Talmud and comments from scholars, proving
>conclusively that you were misrepresenting the passages in question.
>
No, they kvetched and produced nothing. Stein tried hard, but all
his citings were out of context-something he accuses me of. The
psychological term for that is “projection.” Sigh….

>: >: In Christ the Ruler with the rod of Iron,
>: >: Ben Johnson
>: >: [email protected]
>: >
>
>Remember your commitment not to respond to Jews, Ben.

No one promised not to RESPOND to Jews, only not to talk to THEM. My
posts are aimed at those decent people reading them, not to the Jews who
respond. I can and will respond as I wish. I will not discuss Biblical
truth with Jews-but you never DID catch on to that, as I refused to answer
your question everytime and gave you a blow-off answer last time.
Now, go blow off.

Ben

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Moshe Shulman ) writes:
>>From: [email protected] (Benjamin Johnson)
>>>>and decided to adopt it. This is doubtful. The Jewish Encyclopedia
>>>>states that they sent for rabbis in the 8th c. A.D. to inform them
>of
>>>it,
>>>>and the rabbis did so.
>>>Ben, Only the upper classes converted to Judaism. Scholars put the
>>>total number of Jews at around 35,000 at it’s maximum.
>> ….which became many more thousand, which were expelled from
>
>No Ben. You are wrong. The scholars say the max number of Jews there
>was 35000.
>
Who increased #s after they migrated-kind of like Adam and Eve. The
number of initial converts is a false question.

>>which later moved throughout E. Europe (after being expelled further
>and
>>further west by each “host” nation) and is E. European Jewry
>
>This is a fantacy view of history for which there is no evidence,
>
Read “The 13th Tribe” and any material from Benjamin Freedman. Proof
is all there.

>>His Son Jesus the Christ has chosen to hate. Also, an anthropological
>>study of @20 years ago showed some Jews have 10% African genes.
>
Ben

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Michael R Swihart) writes:
>In article [email protected] (Benjamin Johnson) writes:
>>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Michael R Swihart) writes:
>>>In article [email protected] (Benjamin Johnson) writes:
>>>= The point is that a list of church fathers as long as my arm claimed
>>>=that the Hebraic manuscripts were CHANGED after the time of Christ by
>>>=Christ-deniers such as….Moshe Schulman, for example. The Hebrew
>>>
>>>Can you find any differences between a Hebrew version of the Torah from before
>>>the time you claim and show differences from the modern Hebrew MT?
>>>
>> Can you produce a copy of Hebrew written before the time “I claim”
>>(Actually, of course, it was historical authorities within Christian
>>churches of the time).
>>
>
>You made the claim that “the Hebraic manuscripts were CHANGED after the time of
>Christ by Christ-deniers”, yes?
>
>So, the burden is on you to back it up.
>(At least that’s how I play net. Burden is on the claimer.)
>
I recommend “How we got the Bible-Our Debt to the Catholic Church,”
which I believe contains documentation. That is the trad. Catholic view.

Ben

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>> Except for the millions of Christians throughout European history and
>the
>> fact that Christianity was contained to Europe until the 1500s.
>
>As is well known, Trashy, this is because after three centuries
>of Christianity in the capital of the Roman empire, the emperor
>Constantine
>finally accepted Christianity himself and took his creed to Byzantium
>where he built Constantinople. It spread north from there and from
>Rome. Because of Christianity’s creed of evangelism, it never stopped
>spreading.
>
Christianity dates back before the invasion of Rome. Ancient history
is always taught from the Roman rather than the British point of view.
The Druid and Levitical priesthood were similar. Archeologists even
found a temple in England the EXACT measurements of the Temple measurements.

>>>The Anglo-Saxons came
>>>from modern Saxony in present-day north Germany and Denmark, in the
>>>fourth through eighth centuries. Their travels are well documented.
>>>
>> Yes, they did. And the Germans came from the Assyrian captivity.
>> II Esdras talks about *some* Israelites entering Arsareth, modern day SE
>> Europe.
>
>> Get the book “Tracing Our White Ancestors” by Haberman for exactly
>> where the Germans came from. Or get the Scriptures For America catalog
>at
>> ftp.netcom.com cd /pub/SF/SFA
>
>I’m not *interested* in anything so irrelevant as “Scriptures for America”
>to tell me about European anthropology.
>
No, you are content to remain ignorant when your views of anthropology are
refuted beyond all doubt by the above-cited book.
Anyone interested should get that book.

>> Here he admits some things he should not. Greece is Arsareth I referred
>> to above. But they did this LONG before 44 B.C.! They did it and it is
>> recorded in II Esdras, which documents the action as long before Colier
>> admits it happened.
>> ALso, “Iberia” means “Peninsula of the *Hebrews*”! The Celts
>> (Irish, specifically) came from Iberia and one of their earlier tribal
>> names reflects this. THEY were the “Heberws” (Israelites) for which
>> Iberia was named!
>
>These were SEMITES that went to Spain, and they stayed

Now you’re catching on!

>Your theory about the origin of the name “Iberia” may or may not
>be right. There is also the Rio Ebro in Spain, which is very similar
>to “ebreo”, Spanish for “Hebrew”.
>
It is right, of course.

>know this? The Jews were finally expelled in 1492.

Which in itself PROVES JEWS ARE NOT “ISRAELITES.” God said in Genesis He
would bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse thee, didn’t
He? Well, in 1492, after 80,000 Jews were expelled from the country,
Columbus “discovered” America & Spain reaped wealth beyond compare! Kind
of an odd “cursing,” Jim.

>Some of
>them went north, and of these, a few went to Ireland
>
That doesn’t explain why their ENTIRE country maintains the linguistic
attachment to “Iberia” (of the “Hebrews”) as the land of “Eire.” Nor does
it explain their ENTIRE tribal name, the Danaan, coming from the Israelite
tribe of Dan.

>> The problem: If Jews only entered AFTER Christians were around,
>then
>> they cannot be Israelites, or II Esdras would not have recorded what it
>did.
>> This still all evades the issue of ISRAELITES ACCORDING TO THE
>FLESH
>> being prophecied to accept Christ! Jews never have, and it speaks
>volumes
>> rigth there.
>
>allegedly came down and told Miryam she was preggers. The fact that
>you think that a woman can get that way without a man around
>speaks volumes!

According to you, “Jews” (specifically, about 3) wrote the line, “A virgin
shall conceive and bring forth a child … ” in Isaiah.

Collier-another reason Jews should use birth control.

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
> Followups to talk.religion.misc only.
>
>In article ,
>Benjamin “Lie for Christ” Johnson wrote:
>>In article <[email protected]>
>>[email protected] (Adam Krims) writes:
>>>: Remember, folks, my truism on Jews and “debate” on the internet: You
>>>: will introduce a topic, give references, etc., and they will whine about
>>>: how you’re wrong and “We 3-year-old girl molestin’ Talmud believers are
>>>: your friends” en masse, then claim victory in a rash and most unmerited
>>>: way.
>>>
>>>I won’t comment on this, Ben, since your trouncing on the issue of
>>>molestation was widely witnessed by readers of this group.
>>
>>The “trouncing,” after my posting of Talmud texts which prove that Jews
>>think molestation is OK if a girl is under 3 or the boy is uner 9 years of
>>age, consisted of wailing Jews kvetching, “We do not believe that!”
>>without a shred of documentary evidence.
>
> Kethuboth 39a, Kerithoth 2a and Makkoth 13a are
>
Not applicable to the argument we were having. Oddly, you “missed”
my post in regards to these passages. None of them states that is applies
to those under the OK-to-screw-if-you’re-a-Jew age. As the Sanhedrin
forbids such people from “throwing guilt upon the active offender,” there
is no reason to believe that status is confined to the court of the
Sanhedrin. You have yet to post a shred of proof that it is, and the
silence is deafening.
Tell me why this “penalty” would apply when the ruling of a higher
court outlaws the admissibility of evidence in a criminal procedure!

> The one about the boy of nine only refers to a technicality of
>Biblical wording which means the death penalty of stoning is not carried
>out. But two other passages mention the penalties which the Talmud
>believes _can_ be imposed on the offender – execution at the hands of
>heaven (Kerithoth 2a),

That is, “God will get him.” NO earthly punishment-the same as no punishment.

> He’s also lying through his teeth about not having been presented with
>these citations before.
>
Stein, no one said you didn’t post these citations before. I said you
didn’t post anything that helped your argument. Tsk, tsk.

Ben

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Royce Buehler) writes:
>
>Any soul unfortunate enough to have been following Ben Johnson’s threads
>knows that he lies continuously and shamelessly. But the way his lies
>wobble is kind of entertaining, and maybe a little instructive.
>
The above would be true, only if you inserted “Royce Buehler” in the stead
of “Ben Johnson.”

>> The Talmud was BANNED by the Church. The rabbis chose to censor
>> texts about Christ burning in hot semen in Hell, for example, in order to
>> overcome Church objections.
>>
>>>>The Talmud says Christ
>>>> is now in Hell boiling in semen. His followers will boil in Hell
>>> in excrement.
>
>He was challenged to say *where* the Talmud says this. For a while he got coy
>and refused to say

Tha is a lie-documentation was provided immediately. Buehler lie #2783.

>he realized he was not going to get away with that here. He posted his
>reference: to Gittin 57a.
>
>Now, unfortunately for Ben, Gittin 57a does not say one word about Jesus.

Except inthe footnote of the Soncino edition, which states the character
“Balaam” stands for Jesus the Christ.
Isn’t it odd how Royce Buehler, a “Christian,” has great interest in
defending Jews and their anti-Christian religion (I Jn. 2:21-23)?

>True, there is a single copy among the many codexes of the Talmud in which
>the phrase “sinners of Jesus” has been substituted for “sinners of Israel”.
>However, these are not being punished with boiling semen in the story, but
>with boiling excrement.

Which I stated in another part of the post Buehler chose to snip. 🙂

>The one punished “with boiling semen” [that’s “with”, not “in” – another
>bit Ben can’t get straight] is the sinful prophet Balaam. From the book of
>Numbers.
>
See above.

>A second is that he sincerely believes this semen-story. That says things about
>the sexually warped state of his psyche of which I would hesitate to accuse
>anyone.
>
“….for about 3 seconds, until my non-existent conscience let me,” right
Buehler?

The Truth shall make Christians free.

Ben Johnson

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>>[email protected] (Michael P.-brain Stein) writes:
>> Not applicable to the argument we were having. Oddly, you “missed”
>>my post in regards to these passages. None of them states that is applies
>>to those under the OK-to-screw-if-you’re-a-Jew age.
>
> You’re reading exactly backwards. The exception is for the death
>penalty at human hands. The other two passages make NO exception. Thus
>it applies to all ages.
>
All you have to do is PROVE it applies to all ages. You have been
unwilling (or I suspect unable) to do so.
According to the Talmud, a child under a certain age (for a girl,
3-for a boy, 9) CANNOT “throw guilt upon the active offender” in a sexual
molestation charge because they are not yet sexually mature, and thus sex
with them is not like sex with a grown person. Show us all where the
Talmud indicts someone for sex with a person who is not yet “sexually
mature.” That’s all you have to do-show a specific penalty for
molestation of a child under the specified ages.
Your “proofs” only talk about vague “crimes” and do not specify that
a non-sexually mature person unable to “throw guilt upon the active offender”
due to his/her age CAN in fact “throw guilt” elsewhere. Show us where
that happens. Otherwise, the legal precedent is set in Sanhedrin, and
Jews are allowed to molest children.
All you have to do is PROVE IT instead of whining that “We can, too!”

>a death penalty for the act OVER the age of nine, it makes no sense to
>also have a heavenly death penalty.
>
Hardly. What a “heavenly death penalty” says is, “Maybe God will get
them, but they’re fine by us!” No earthly penalty for a very earthly crime.
That is NOT a penalty in judicial terms.

>>As the Sanhedrin
>>forbids such people from “throwing guilt upon the active offender,” there
>>is no reason to believe that status is confined to the court of the
>>Sanhedrin.
>
>>You have yet to post a shred of proof that it is, and the
>>silence is deafening.
>
> See above.

Better do better, 🙂
>
>>That is, “God will get him.” NO earthly punishment-the same as no punishment.
>
> Oh ye of little faith! So, you don’t believe burning in hell is
>punishment?
>
This does not specify “burning in Hell,” only that God will shorten
his/her life on earth.
BTW, I believe “Hell” in an eternally-burning sense is a Jewish fable
begun by the books of Enoch in the intertestamental period-but that’s
another subject. 🙂

>>> He’s also lying through his teeth about not having been presented with
>>>these citations before.
>>>
Lying through teeth seems to be your specialty.

> You said nobody had posted a shred of documentary evidence, period.
>Nothing about “a shred that helped your argument.”

I said that nothing was posted, not a shred of documentary evidence, that
proves Jews do not allow molestation of a child under a specific age
(girls-3, boys-9) to go unpunished (in an earthly realm). And you haven’t.
And you must have had a mirror handy when you said-
>Well, you’ve told so
>many lies, what’s one more?
>
>–
>Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
>POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
>Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.

Ben

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Adam Krims) writes:
>Benjamin Johnson ([email protected]) wrote:
>
>[parts of Collier’s humiliation of Ben and his slithering attempts to
>extricate himself deleted]
>
>: Which in itself PROVES JEWS ARE NOT “ISRAELITES.” God said in Genesis He
>: would bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse thee, didn’t
>: He?
>
>And this is to be read literally or figuratively, Ben?
>
Check out Galatians chapter 3 for the correct interpretation, once
again proving my answer perfect.

Ben

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Lane Singer) writes:
>In <950[email protected]> [email protected] (Arnold Sloman)
>writes:
>
>>By the way, please note that our hate mongering friend Ben, used
>>the PC “his/hers”.
>
>This is rich. Yeah, Ben Johnson sure is PC, Arnold. Your insight is
>stunning.
>
Heck, maybe I’m too liberal…. 🙂
Ben

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