Himmler Heinrich, Emails to butz 

rblackmore wrote:

>This whole alleged speech

“Alleged speech”?

>of Himmler’s at Posen is highly
>controversial, and, I might add, of dubious
>authenticity. There is even supposed to be a recording

“Supposed to be a recording”?

>of Himmler making these damning statements about
>ausrottung usw. I will cut and paste something concerning
>this speech later IF someone would care to see it.

Do yourself a favor and listen to the speech first, then get back to us.

https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/himmler-heinrich/posen/oct-04-43/

Welcome to the 1990s! Butz’s “dubious authenticity” argument could work
back in the 70s when it was tough to get a copy of the speech and listen
for yourself. Now it’s a mouse-click away for fifty million people.
Enjoy.

Posted; emailed to “rblackmore” and Arthur Butz.

Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/(page does not exist)
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[email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

> AFAIK, the recording covers only the first paragraph.

I’m jumping into the middle of this conversation, so I didn’t see the
context. If someone had asked how much of the Oct. 4th speech was on
tape, the answer is “all of it,” all three hours and ten minutes.

> The one with the “most of you know what it is to see 100 corpses
> lying side by side, or 500, or a 1,000”.
>
> Some “evacuation”.

And don’t forget the quote from the next paragraph:

We have the moral right, we had the duty to our people to do it,
to kill this people who would kill us.

In case anyone revisionists want to object to the translation — and I’m
sure they’d love to find a reason — I’ll make it easy on them. The noun
is “dieses Volk” (the same as “unserem Volk” which refers to the German
people). The verb is “umbringen.” “To kill this people” is the best
translation, in my opinion, but other acceptable alternatives would be
“to kill this race,” or the nontranslation “to kill this Volk.”

And:

Because we don’t want, at the end of all this, to get sick and
die from the same bacillus that we have exterminated.

The verb there is “ausrotten.” Perhaps our “revisionists” on this forum
would like to explain how Himmler was using a colorful idiom about
transporting bacteria out of the Reich on microscopic trains.

And don’t forget — according to Greg Raven, this speech doesn’t count
as evidence for the Holocaust, because Himmler doesn’t say anything
about gas chambers!

> BTW, the paragraph where Himmler speaks on the Slavs as “human
> animals”, and states that he doesn’t care if 10,000 Russian
> women die while digging an anti-tank ditch for Germany, is
> also in the recording, and as a .wav file on Nizkor’s site.

The official IMT translation:

We Germans, who are the only people in the world who have a
decent attitude towards animals, will also assume a decent
attitude towards these human animals.

But it is a crime against our own blood to worry about them and
give them ideals, thus causing our sons and grandsons to have a
more difficult time with them. When someone comes to me and says,
“I cannot dig the anti-tank ditch with women and children, it is
inhuman, for it will kill them”, then I would have to say, “you
are a murderer of your own blood because if the anti-tank ditch
is not dug, German soldiers will die, and they are the sons of
German mothers. They are our own blood”.

Transcriptions, translations, and audio recordings (in a variety of
formats) are available at:

https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/himmler-heinrich/posen/oct-04-43/

Nizkor is pleased to announce that we now have a RealAudio server, so
all of the audio recordings can be played in real time, with no
downloading necessary, for free, if you have a computer that supports
the RealAudio client (Mac and Windows both do).

Posted; emailed to Greg Raven, and to Arthur Butz, who has advanced
some of the most interesting “revisionist” theories regarding this
speech.

Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/ (page does not exist)
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