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Date Wed, 05 Jun 1996 03:19:39 GMT
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On 2 Jun 1996 07:10:08 GMT, [email protected] (David
Lossing) wrote:
>Why is hunting for “sport” still allowed? Can anyone give me one go
In my opinion, “sport” hunting is BS, but hunting for food in not sport.
>I am sick and tired of these ignorant white trash “hunters” going into the
>wilderness to drink themselves silly and “bag me a deer.”
“White trash?” “Drinking themselves silly?” I’m afraid you’re another
victim of *exaggerated* tales. Many anti hunters pick up on a few real
incidents, then repeat them as if they’re the norm. Hunting is Very well
regulated, by hunting clubs themselves, and by game wardens. Many clubs
allow no alcohol in their camps. Those that do, ordinarily have very
strict rules of [its] use. In many cases, it’s at the end of the last
hunt, when drinking and feasting takes place.
What about the black hunters, Indians, etc, etc,? Why did you single out
“white?” Don’t say they don’t hunt… or you will expose your ignorance
even more.
Most hunters I know don’t live in trailers, but I do… altho I don’t
hunt, and I’m surrounded by all types of wild and Natural animals.
Another thing… I would think those “trailer dwelling white trash” would
hardly be able to afford those =guided= hunting trips into the great NW,
or Africa, etc, do you? For that matter, they would have hard enough
time even hunting locally… hunting club membership does not come cheap,
and *very few* places exist for a non member to hunt.
>Why don’t these assholes do us a favor and hunt each other?
I would love for humans to be able to hunt humans. I would fully support
such a “law,” or the *thought. It would be a very good way to thin the
human herds. I can already visualize many heads hanging from the walls of
my white trash trailer… ” ah… now this big eared thing came from the
Dow Chemical Hunting area, and this small eared one came from the DuPont
Chem….”
Political heads, religious, educators, industrialist… and Idiot heads.
If *human season* lasted very long I would probably need to build a
trophy room.
>Of course, I realize that it is not just these people who are doing it. There are
>members of all social class levels involved, I know that.
Why didn’t you say that to begin with? But you still failed to mention
other Kinds of hunters.
>What does it take for people to realize that they can enjoy the outdoors
>without bringing home a trophy>
The great “outdoors” is =much more= than something for humans to “enjoy.”
It’s the non hunted, and non noticed, small things out there that makes
life possible on Earth. The little things *don’t need us* but =All living
things need them=. The mass of humanity, because of the necessities to
sustain that growing mass, is causing the Death of the very Things that
made/makes the existence of the mass possible. But humans are still the
“smartest”….. so they say.
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On 3 Jun 1996 08:45:00 -0700, [email protected] (Steve D. Fischer) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, 5E040001 wrote:
>>All they do is tell us lies!!!!
>>Kill them all!!!!
>>rid the world of this skum.
> Bwah hah hah. What we have here is a major agent provocateur! 🙂
I don’t think so. It’s not like he’s asking anyone to get in touch
with’m… I think he’s really pissed.
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On 5 Jun 1996 12:38:58 GMT, T M Joyce wrote:
>dannie hawkins ([email protected]) wrote:
>:[email protected] (Scott Erb) wrote:
>: >Science refutes you completely. Race is an invalid concept.
>: Then you should have No problem at all putting the Cold Hard Facts on
>: here.
>Quite. Which facts were you refering to. I have yet to see any in any of
>your posts.
Are you standing in for s. erb (above)? If you are, then you should read
the first sentence underneath his name… right up ^yonder… See It?
Facts in my post?? Duh… I ain’t the guy who posted _ “science
refutes…”_ , it was one from your ‘team’… but he got rabbit in’em, an’
he’s still runnin.
>: You do understand =Facts= do you not? Maybe you and UK James can work
>: together on this… but i dunno… he’s dodging too.
>”Math Type Facts”?
Yeah, you know… like 2+2 = 4. You can abstract it all you want, but the
answer will still be the same. Now who Could argue with such a pure and
simple thing as MathFacts?
>You wouldn’t be refering to statistics, perchance?
Of course not. No abstract numbers… just the pure stuff with gives
Absolute Truths… Facts.
>If so, why not post some relevant ones, stating sources, assumptions,
>methods used in analysis and conclusions. Then we can have a ciclised
>discussion.
I don’t have any.
>You obviously have them in your possession
I swear… I ain’t got’um… never had’um… I’m innocent.
>as you seem so certain that they support your point of view.
Don’t you get it… There’s NO Such Thing as, “science refutes you
completely,” as the sillie “scott erb” says above. No matter how the
issue is cut, whacked, sliced, diced, or cubed, it will Never become a
MathFact, as 2+2=4. All scientific refutations here are only *social*
“science” opinions… and Nothing more.
>: The World is Now waiting on you And good ole James. How does that make you
>: feel.. kinda pressurie? I’ll prey for you if you like. Thanks in advance.
>The ball is in your court.
Not hardly, but I understand why you’d say that. At this point, I’m sure
certain people are hoping it’ll rain.
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On 5 Jun 1996 15:15:44 GMT, [email protected] (M.S. Robb) wrote:
>
>dannie hawkins wrote:
>>issue will not be settled ’till =One Side or the Other is DEAD!=
>Comedy. I violate the Laws of nature. You really haven’t got a clue have
>you?
I’m tickled pink, you think it’s funnie.
>I asked you for some reasoned arguments for your position, and the best
>you can come up with is this? For your own self-respect I thought you’d
>have done better. Duncan is managing a fair debate. Can’t you?
I don’t debate. My position on Race, may be a bit different than Mr
MacMillan’s, and… it leaves NO room for debate. Simply put: I view
humans as just another biological family…and *should* be viewed as
such.
Do you agree?
>”Give me your freedom and I will protect you”…
> …the siren song of every dictator
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On Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:30:06 GMT, [email protected] (James Hammerton)
wrote:
>dannie hawkins ([email protected]) wrote:
>> subject… ARE YOU GOING TO GET THOSE MATH TYPE FACTS OR NOT? please!
>Well Duncan was the one claiming that he had evidence to back up his
>views, but all he produced was quotations on the subject that made
>bland assertions without reference to any data, and all I did was
>point this out so I feel the onus should be on him to produce
>data.
I understood what you were doing, and would have done the same thing, If I
were you. My point was to produce FACTS tho, and not assertions and
opinions based on =some= facts, because Both sides have some sort of
“evidence” to present.
>However just to address your point here,
>On immigration have a look at Thomas Sowell’s book “Migrations and
>Cultures”, which demonstrates that immigrants add to the economies of
>their host nations.
To begin with… you’re missing [my] point. What you say above is highly
debatable, but I’m not the least bit interested in that argument. My
interest is in Race First!… racial survival. The white race is
threatened world-wide.
White people have gone from having racial parity (not too many years ogo)
to our present disparity of around =9 to 1= , [90% non white] and our
numbers are dropping FAST. It’s extremely doubtful the average white
person has any idea the dire circumstances of our race.
>An issue of the New Scientist magazine published in February (I can’t
>recall which one, I’ll look it up and get back to you) cited evidence
>from the Abecedarian Project that children of low IQ mothers from poor
>backgrounds who were “hothoused” in the first 5 years of life, showed
>normal educational attainment and normal IQs (around 100), at age 8,12
>and 15 (when Mental Age as measured by IQ tests stops rising), when
>they would normally be expected to have IQs of around 70-80 and to be
>dropping out of school or doing poorly, suggesting that intelligence
>can be strongly influenced by environment at least in the earlier
>years of life. For those who read “The G Factor”, Brand cites a paper
>published in 1987 that dismisses the project, but since the New
>Scientist is reporting on the current findings, that leaves a whole 9
>years of data not taken into account.
I should make it clear that I’m not into supremacist thought. I view human
Kinds the same way I view Kinds from all bio families, such as members of
the canine or feline families. The different species of (wild) dogs
(Wulfs, Coyotes) or cats (Lions, Tigers) have their individual roles in
the Natural World, and it’s not necessary that we understand those roles.
It’s not a role for the Wulf to Kill the Coyote, but he does IF he catches
him inside his domain. An act of survival.
I may have more admiration for the Wulf than the Coyote, for any number of
reasons, but I don’t look down on the Coyote… I understand his role is
not that of the Wulf. The same goes for the Lion and Tiger, and ALL the
others also.
By the way, these =different= species of the same bio family Can
interbreed, but Don’t… under NATURAL Conditions. Needless to say, humans
have even screwed with them also. Bastards interbreed Lions and Tigers
(among others) for Big bucks. Yes, It should be illegal, but it ain’t.
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On Wed, 05 Jun 96 18:39:43 EST, [email protected] (Scott Erb)
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>This proves Duncan knows that his position is contrary to truth and science,
Ah ha… caught your rabbit arse… PRODUCE YOUR FACTS or SHUT UP!
Didja eer That? I’m gonna speak to your students about you, and they may
make You the student… how ’bout that?
‘member now… nut’en but the FACTS…. do not let us down again.
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On Wed, 5 Jun 1996 08:40:39 -0400, “James l. ebbs”
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>…hang any race traitors,
>… our arab brothers?
>… would rather be dead
Interesting concept you have there….
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On 3 Jun 1996 14:22:15 GMT, [email protected] (M.S. Robb) wrote:
>dannie hawkins wrote:
—
>>>So enlighten me. I’m all ears.
>>It doesn’t help to be “all ears” if there’s little between them.
>Dunno. I gave you the opportunity to convince me that you weren’t just
>supporting a racist driveller because you had a chip on your shoulder. You
>still have that oportunity. I await your reasoned arguments without
>expectation. Disappoint me.
I certainly hope you’re =holding your breath= PLEASE. I’ve read your Anti
white, “oneness” crap. You have chosen your “side,” and that is where you
will remain, while I’ve stayed with the one of my birth. You violate the
Laws of Nature, and I keep them. With person such as you, apparently this
issue will not be settled ’till =One Side or the Other is DEAD!=
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On 6 Jun 1996 18:08:49 GMT, T M Joyce wrote:
>dannie hawkins ([email protected]) wrote:
>[email protected] (Scott Erb) wrote:
>>>Science refutes you completely. Race is an invalid concept.
>: Are you standing in for s. erb (above)? If you are, then you should read
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>No. I also think he should post the his figures.
Not “figures”… FACTS… mathematical certainties… something everyone
would look at and all would agree, as;… Ah, so that is the answer.
>However, I have seen references to The Economist and the New Scientist,
>both respectable journals, quoting the results of studies supporting his viewpoint.
“Supporting his viewpoint has Nothing what so ever to do with Facts.
>I also know enough biology students and have read enough biology texts to
>understand his argument, and the ideas behind it.
Ain’t good enough. With this sort of “evidence,” the jury will be out
*forever. By the way, have you read enough bio texts to understand MY
argument??
tmj
>: >”Math Type Facts”?
dh
>: Yeah, you know… like 2+2 = 4. You can abstract it all you want, but the
>No one. But numbers on their own mean nothing without interpretation. A
>number is not real, it is an abstract representation of reality.
You’re absolutely right… at least within the context of the way you’re
viewing my question, And, as you say above, your math would Need
interpretation… and I’m sure you’re aware of what that means… MANY
never settled interpretations.
dh
>: Of course not. No abstract numbers… just the pure stuff with gives
>: Absolute Truths… Facts.
>Which ones, for Christ’s sake? Here are some numbers:
>2, 7, pi, 3+2j
>They don’t shed any light on any matter. The sort of “facts” you’re after
>can only be obtained by gathering vast amounts of data (sorry, that’s
>probably too much of an abstraction, *numbers*) and then finding
>p[atterns within this data(or, if you really insist, these numbers). Any
>sample size of less then several hundred thousand
> is unlikely to be of any statistical relevance,
Why? Are you saying science is *unable* to take (we’ll keep it simple)
one each… ethnic Asian, African, and European… and take them
completely apart… do all the weird stuff they need to do… to get this
MathFact? But on the other hand, you think they (if they had the
resources) could study hundreds of thousands and May be able to come up
with the answer?
I have a *very big* problem with your thought, Mr Joyce. If they cannot
get their evidence from three persons… how on earth do you think they
could get it from a quarter million or so? But guess what… that IS the
way social scientist would do it. They would then *average* all their
numbers, and say; “Looki herei, we’re all the samei, blah blah blah.”
You Do see, don’t you? It’s extremely simple… if I have one brand of
car, and you have another, we can honestly say we have different Kinds of
cars… but if we take them completely apart, down to the tiniest screws
etc, we could say they have much in common. If we take apart thousands
of cars, (if we were “social mechanics”) we could claim they’re really
all the same… only “environmental” (mfg.) differences. If we were
social =molecular= mechanics, we’d prove MathFactly that cars were the
same, by separating all the materials, metals, plastics, etc, and tracing
the ‘ancestry’ of each… and no one could question their answer, on that
particular note.
Well, I guess we’ve really screwed up the auto industry now… No one
will bother to pick and choose cars ever again. Not only that, we’ve just
proved science can prove we’re all the same. Geezus… Well, I guess
science is glad this problem has been solved.
>but sample populations that big are too large for all the raw data (that’s the numbers
>you’re so concerned about) to either be posted or to be understood by inspection.
answer above.
dh
>: Don’t you get it… There’s NO Such Thing as, “science refutes you
>: completely,” as the sillie “scott erb” says above. No matter how the
>: issue is cut, whacked, sliced, diced, or cubed, it will Never become a
>: MathFact, as 2+2=4. All scientific refutations here are only *social*
>: “science” opinions… and Nothing more.
>Why not? Any scientific theory is open to refutation.
Mr. Joyce… did you read all the words I said above? Of course
*theories or open to refutation… that is the very reason I keep telling
these Fools to present MathFacts! It is they, who scream there’s no such
thing as *race, yet a “dumbass” inner city Negro, etc, etc, knows better.
Why do people seem to become stupid =after= college? I Know… it’s the
environment.
>That is the basis of the philosophy of science.
And I agree, but “they” don’t.
>And I would hardly call molecular biology and genetics “*social* sciences”.
It certainly shouldn’t be. However now is a good time to quote the world
renowned biologist Edward O. [move over Darwin] Wilson, of Harvard. In
his book _NATURALIST_ (1994) pg 343, speaking of richard c. lowentin,
[whom journalist referred to as “the brilliant population geneticist”]
Wilson said:
“Lowentin was an intellectual who preached social change from the temple
of hard science.”
Of course lowenstin was only one of several biologist at Harvard who
tried to destroy a fellow scientist they disagreed with, because of
=perceived *social* implications= .
If you have any interest of the low-down and sneaky back-stabbing that
goes on within [especially] “top-shelf” centers of “learning,” you should
get Wilson’s book. I “swear by my skin” that you’ll be shocked, and if
you’re not, there’s something wrong with you.
By the way, the cause of the problems with lowentin et al, came about
after Wilson’s book, _SOCIOBIOLOGY_ was published. [1974] Mainly
because of that book, Wilson is known as the father of sociobiology. He
could also be called the father of [the term] evolutionary biology,
because he first came up with [it] when he entered that name as a course
title in the Harvard catalog in 1958… which he taught for several
years. In 1961, evolutionary biology became an *official term at Harvard,
thanks to Wilson.
It was the last chapter in SOCIOBIOLOGY that caused Wilson’s problems
with the “oneness” crowd. As Wilson says on pg 328 in _NATURALIST_:
” I did not hesitate to include *Homo sapiens, because not to have done
so would have been to omit a major part of biology. ….I believe that
biology must someday serve as part of the foundation of the social
sciences. ….History did not begin 10,000 years ago in the villages of
Anatolia and Jordan. It spans the 2 million years of the life of the
genus Homo. Deep history–by which I mean biological history–made us
what we are, no less than culture.”
Another great (and very important) book by Wilson is _The Diversity of
Life_ [1992] He writes in a style that is really a pleasure to read.
tmj
>: >The ball is in your court.
>: Not hardly, but I understand why you’d say that. At this point, I’m sure
>: certain people are hoping it’ll rain.
>Oh. Jolly good. Which people hope it will rain where? (Other than the
>Indian cricket team at Edgbaston, from the last report I heard. Though I
>suppose that the boot will be on the other foot by the time I get there
>on Saturday if England’s performance in recent years is anything to go by.)
Are you gonna wear Doc Martins… y’ may need’um.
>toodle pip,
(hmm, i wonder if that’s a wortie dird)
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On 6 Jun 1996 13:50:59 GMT, [email protected] (M.S. Robb) wrote:
>dannie hawkins wrote:
>>Heah, what’s the deal erbie…? Why did you dodge my post to YOU?? Quit
>>your running and hiding like a rabbit… answer it… unless you’re
>>UNABLE.
>Yeah right. So you’ve answered any of the questions put to you?
He needs more help than you could ever give him.
>>>Science refutes you completely. Race is an invalid concept.
>>Then you should have No problem at all putting the Cold Hard Facts on
>>here.
>Ok, listen up good. Species are defined by their shared gene pool. If two
>organisms *can* produce fertile offspring, then they are of the same
>species. Hence all ‘races’ are of the same species.
But =if= you are wrong, and different species Could produce fertile
offspring, would you then say “races are Not of the same species?” Of
course you wouldn’t… you’re Anti white activist… you’re a disciple of
the *oneness dogma.
If you categorize human Kinds using the Exact principles used for other
animals, as in the =biological species concept= which is the most widely
accepted method of classification, there is *no way Not to classify human
Kinds in any manner other than different species and subspecies. Have a
nice day!
>Race is essentially a cultural, not a genetic phenomenom.
Really?
>>The World is Now waiting on you And good ole James. How does that make you
>>feel.. kinda pressurie? I’ll prey for you if you like. Thanks in advance.
>No worries.
That’s because you have no thoughts.
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From: [email protected] (dannie hawkins)
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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:30:27 GMT, [email protected] (James Hammerton)
wrote:
>dannie hawkins ([email protected]) wrote:
>>Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:30:06 GMT, [email protected] (James Hammerton) wrote:
>>>dannie hawkins ([email protected]) wrote:
>>>> subject… ARE YOU GOING TO GET THOSE MATH TYPE FACTS OR NOT? please!
[insert *erb* below]
>>>Well Duncan was the one claiming that he had evidence to back up his
>>>views, but all he produced was quotations on the subject that made
>>>bland assertions without reference to any data, and all I did was
>>>point this out so I feel the onus should be on him to produce
>>>data.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dear James, I can’t believe I missed your insertion of *Duncan, in the
above. I still have that ole problem of *trust, but I Must cast it aside
when talking to members of the “oneness” crowd.
You show much dishonesty in the above because my post was to the
loud-mouth obnoxious Idiot; [email protected] (scott erb) for
saying : ” Science refutes you completely. Race is an invalid concept.”
Yep, I let you sneak that one by me, but Never Again!… to use an ole
familiar Keltic war cry….
>Can you produce some of these FACTS then?
Dear James again, don’t do this any more. The ball has been in *erb’s*
court for several days… maybe a week… (he ran off) That arsehole (as
everyone knows) is who made that “righteous” scientific claim, As You
Well Know.
To improve, or renew your image, you should begin posting to *erbie boy
for those FACTS, as I’ve done. But I guess *erb went off an died
somewhere… maybe a cannibal ate him, I dunno. But you should still
direct you attention to him, in case he’s still alive, and returns to
renew his idiocy.
>Why do you always type it in capitals anyway?
Making Sure They Work… maybe? I don’t do it “always” tho. As you can
see, I onlY do That every so OfteN. Some people may actually believe
this is some sort of code, But… =P~leAse= B`eLieVe !mE,,,, it’S noT.
>> White people have gone from having racial parity (not too many years ogo)
>> to our present disparity of around =9 to 1= , [90% non white] and our
>Are you saying that 90% of the world’s population have dark skins?
White people are about 10 % of the world’s population.
>Can you cite your source for this?
You can be assured… I certainly will not bother!
>Can you also cite your source for there being 50% of the population with
>white skins at any point in human history?
I didn’t say 50% of Earth’s population was ever white, I said white
people had racial parity… in terms of… white, black, and brown…
whites represented about 1/3 of the total.
And no, I don’t remember where I read it, however,
=common sense=
should advise you that this More than likely true.
THINK about it.
>Why should white skins be so important?
I think they make sorta neat outer coverings, but I’m not very to fund of
white houses, least not where I live… in the woods.
>Are you trying to claim that black skinned people are of a different
>species from us?! Tell what FACTS lead you to this conclusion.
>James Hammerton, PhD Student, School of Computer Science,
Well James, I could care less what the “experts” say, but since you do,
here’s a bit of info that will help; if you take the *biological species
concept* (the most widely used) and use the same principles to classify
humans, you should become “smarter”… or rather more knowledgable… on
this subject. Don’t forget, the *key word* is =under Natural conditions=.
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From: [email protected] (dannie hawkins)
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On Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:20:06 GMT, [email protected] (James Hammerton)
wrote:
>dannie hawkins ([email protected]) wrote:
>> James, if you tell an Indian he’s not an Indian, and people are just
>Actually most would probably just ignore the comment.
You must be unfamiliar with American Indians. They are very good racist.
>Besides being Indian (or African or British) is a matter of culture and nationality
>as much as of ancestry.
Really…
>So where’s the evidence that M.S.Robb is promoting the end of the
>white race?
Below
>> When someone promotes = Anti Kinds= … and NOTHING is more important
>> to most persons of ALL Kinds… this is viewed as an assault on the
>> individual, or the individual’s family, as the case may be.
snip
>Rejecting racism, or suggesting that race is a sociological/cultural
>concept is not the same as suggesting everyone is the same, and the
>latter is not the same as promoting the end of a particular race or
>even of races.
Many people disagree to the extreme.
>> I believe these persons have the Purpose and Meaning of Life encoded in
snip
>Yes you probably do believe that, as a matter of faith perhaps. I
>don’t share this belief/faith.
I base Nothing on faith.
snip
>>a tiny clue of the family survival instinct, of which by extension is the Kind itself.
>On one interpretation there is some truth in this — people will
>defend the groups they identify themselves with, and if those groups
>feel threatened they may become violent. On the other hand there is no
>reason to believe that racial groups are the primary groups that
>people give allegiance to. Consider the divide between catholics and
>protestants in the past, and in places such as Northern Ireland, this
>divide still generates conflict.
I would not claim the situation in Ireland is religious.
>>he voted for Netanyahu… he was concerned about the survival of =his race=
>So?
SO??
>Maybe the more intolerant ones would do such a thing. That wouldn’t
>prove that I was wrong though. Besides Judaism is a *religion*.
Well… you tell’em he’s wrong… I’m not.
>I guess you have to *force* them to breed.
Not at all, they’re domesticated… “enlightened”… really screwed up.
>I know plenty of people from different races who bred voluntarily. What’s wrong with that?
I guess they have much in common with those screwed-up Lions and Tigers.
>So what is it that makes voluntary racial interbreeding unnatural
>then?
Tell you what James, If a fraction of media time, say a couple of days a
week, were set aside for pro racial programs, there would be much less
interbreeding. Would you agree this is little less than fair, but would
support it never the less?
>> If you’re really interested in this, check out the books I mentioned in a
>I take it you mean the books by E. O. Wilson you mentioned? Tell me does
>he suggest that the different races are actually different species?
He doesn’t write about *race.
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On Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:40:56 GMT, [email protected] (James Hammerton)
wrote:
>dannie hawkins ([email protected]) wrote:
>>> On 6 Jun 1996 18:08:49 GMT, T M Joyce wrote:
>>>>[email protected] (Scott Erb) wrote:
>>>>>Science refutes you completely. Race is an invalid concept.
slash————————
>>..everyone would look at and all would agree, as;… Ah, so that is the answer.
>Exactly what are you getting at here? Figures (ie tables, graphs and
>the like) usually depict facts.
Geezus! How many times do I have to repeat this? These math facts
*don’t* exist, and Never Will. I jumped in here because I saw how a few
people (such as that Idiot, *erb) were yapping “science =completely=
refutes…” and everyone but idiots and fools Should know better…
Unless… they are total Hypocrites!
I hope this is clear, ’cause I’d hate to see some poor soul spending the
rest of his life chasing after something that does not, and Will Not
exist… within these simple bounds…
>> “Supporting his viewpoint has Nothing what so ever to do with Facts.
>Except the studies will be producing facts in order to do so.
No… they will be producing opinions based on =some= facts, with the
omission of others… in order to support the “oneness” dogma.
I think I failed to mention another very important book that will shed
even more lite on the sorry affairs that have/are taking place within
those “hallowed” walls of the scientific community… particularly on
matters of human Kinds. It was written by Pat Shipman in 1994, titled
=The Evolution of Racism= And no, she’s not a racist, least not in the
generally accepted artificial sense. [she may indeed prefer her children
to be of her Kind… which would make her a Natural Racist] She earned
both M.A. and Ph.D. in physical anthropology from New York U., and is now
a peleoanthropologist.
>>, have you read enough bio texts to understand MY argument??
>What is your argument? Can you cite some biology texts which make your
>argument or support it? Can you cite some facts which support it? Or
>are you going to say that you’re not going to bother again?
My argument is of the hypocrisy within the scientific community. I’ve
further explained my position in another post to you… so it’s on you to
check it out or ignore it. I don’t Need “science” to justify my FEELINGS.
As I’ve said, persons are going to believe what they wish to believe…
some may feel the need for scientific support, much like some people seem
to Need religion, but many others do not… and I believe one reason for
this is a matter of uncorrupted Naturel Instincts… less corrupted in
some individuals than others.
>>as you say above, your math would Need interpretation… and I’m sure you’re
>>aware of what that means… MANY never settled interpretations.
>So you’re saying that even MathTypeFacts as you call them won’t settle
>things?
MathTypeFacts are not to be had… they will Never exist… within the
bounds I’ve described… Please get that “demand” for mathfact off your
mind.
>> Well, I guess we’ve really screwed up the auto industry now… No one
>> will bother to pick and choose cars ever again. Not only that, we’ve just
>> proved science can prove we’re all the same. Geezus… Well, I guess
>> science is glad this problem has been solved.
>The basic problem you’re talking about is getting a representative sample.
There’s no such thing as a “representative” sample when dealing with
absolute truths… Is fire hot…Yes… an absolute truth. But we know
how that simple truth can be mathematically abstracted almost endlessly…
but the truth still remains… fire is hot… and everyone knows it.
>In the case of cars there will be some variations even between
>cars of the same type. Some will have more rust, some will have less,
>some will have stronger windscreens than others. Some characterstics
>will separate on type of car from another, some won’t. Now lets go to
>the case of humans. Taking one each of a particular race and on that
>basis pronouncing the characterstics of that person as being the
>characterstics of that race is wrong
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I’ve never said any thing like that. I view races Only as =different=.
>because you don’t know how the
>characteristics in question vary within the race, and you don’t even
>know of members of the other races share the characteristic. All you
>know is that the particular individuals you chose have the
>charatersitics they have.
Cars and people have much in common, in an abstract way.
>To know what marks out one race from another you need to find characteristics
>which members of one race rarely have and members of another race typically have.
Sorta like checking out a bunch of cars before you make that big purchase.
>The only way to do this with any reliability is to take a large sample of members from each
>race and record their characteristics and spot the ones which predominate.
And some people are *that thorough before making a car purchase.
>Why? Because characteristics will often vary far more amongst individuals than amongst races.
And again, this is some (many?) times true of cars.
>Now here we can begin to get a handle on some of the problems with the
>concept of race.
*And the concept of different cars.
>Is it a clearly defined concept with a basis in biology/genetics
…that influence, ways, traits, culture, etc, etc. No. At one time,
science viewed human Kinds thru [almost] the same eyes that viewed non
human animals… But something really weird happened…
Pat Shipman’s book is based on this particular aspect of the =breakdown=
of science… the beginning of total hypocrisy in this particular area.
>or is it just an arbitrary labeling of people with certain characteristics, but
>where those characteristics vary amongst individuals anyway?
The naming of races… tribes, Kinds, etc, has gone on =forever=, with
absolutely NO help from science. Much like the (un)’enlightened’ tribes of
today that can tell you (unless they decide to Kill you) the names of
practically everything that lives within the boundaries of their domain.
You won’t recognize the names, but that makes no difference does it?
In E.O. Wilson’s =The Diversity of Life=, there is an interesting
experience of the great of the great ornithologist Ernst Mayr, on this
matter. See pg 42 and 43.
>Take skin colour for example as the most obvious of the traits which we try to
>distinguish the races with. It varies within races as well as between
>them, so where do we put the dividing line?
That may be a problem for science, but it’s not a problem for common folk
of Any kind. Members of all groups recognize those among them who are a
mixture. Certain ones may be accepted, and others may not, depending upon
the feeling of the tribe, or individuals of the tribe. In many parts of
the world, the “mixed” are, to various degrees, outcast.
=Under Natural Conditions=, these outcast, if many in number, would
probably leave the area and form a separate tribe, and if not, they may
very well… kill or be killed.
>>Of course *theories or open to refutation… that is the very reason I keep telling
>>these Fools to present MathFacts! It is they, who scream there’s no such
>You seem to be of a view that facts are irrefutable.
Fire is hot.
>How do we interpret what a fact means?
The more you abstract anything, the further you go from the simple truth.
>What is a fact?
It is raining. It is not raining…
>We actually need theories to be able to interpret what we percieve anyway.
No we don’t… least not the abstracted theories you’re speaking of. That
is the kind of stuff that fuels confusion… as seen on here.
>I recommend Alan Chalmers book “What is this thing called Science”, for a discussion of
>this. One example which sticks out is someone who tried to refute the
>view that the earth rotates by suggesting that when you dropped a
>stone, it should appear to move to the side because we’d be rotating
>away from it, and since this doesn’t happen the earth cannot be
>rotating. Both parties agreed on the observation (that the stone fell
>in a straight line — even this cannot be proved though, our sensory
>perceptions could be decieved),
No doubt, perceptions vary. On the subject of human perceptions, leaving
aside deeply abstracted postulations and such… one’s perceptions are
corrupted by institutions of the system in which one resides, by such
things as religion, schooling, etc, etc, etc, and depending upon the
strength of one’s makeup… one’s natures… would be the deciding factor
of the degree of corruption of one’s Natural senses.
Not only have ‘enlightened” humans had their Natural senses corrupted for
a very long time by religious *faith*… but a =faith-like acceptance= of
thoughts and opinions that are *of and from* products of institutions of
learning has also been ingrained in them. For this reason, if a person has
=feelings= that are not in agreement with certain claims made by social
“experts,” then it’s time to demand simple (non abstract) MathFacts.
Humans should not feel too guilty over loosing their senses… so have
their pets.
>but different theories put different interpretations on it (the theory that the
>earth rotated also added that the stone would have some momentum in it
>when you let go hence the reason why it did not appear to fall sideways).
And that is fine for non human science.
>To make an observation, you need to know what it is you’re observing,
>how you’r observing it and what you’re observations mean,
None of this is necessary for human “dealings”… unless one group is
preparing for battle with another group, or maybe a trading mission etc,
or to gain knowledge of certain Kinds of animals, as hunter-gatherer
groups must have. No matter the society we live in, we still have
possession of those qualities that made it possible for us to survive till
this day, altho in many (most?) “enlightened” persons, these qualities
have been pushed far back into the subconscious. But in periods of
stress, [they] will reappear in many, if not most people.
>and that requires a theory to tell you these things.
Again… and speaking only of things relative to non abstracted human
Kinds, none of this is in any way… important… for normal ever-day life
of Any human Kind. Under chaotic are stressful conditions, or personal
circumstances, it won’t be persons who have rejected their Natural senses
for opinions and theories of so-called experts … who will survive. It
will be those who don’t. And to these people, the future belongs… If
humans actually have a future.
>Ahh so you have read some evolutionary biology.
That’s all you have to say after bitching for me to put some sort of text
etc, here? Not one frigging comment between the 500 words or so… that
gave info you are more that likely unfamiliar with, and aware of.
Unfrigging real… well, I guess it’s really not… I almost forgot what
I’ve preached… one will believe what one *wants to believe…
regardless…
>Might I recommend Robert Wright’s “The Moral Animal”, which uses this
>approach in psychology. An interesting finding of evolutionary biology and
>evolutionary psychology as that the human mind has a high degree of
>plasticity, despite the genetic influences on it.
I’ve seen *some evolutionary psychology articles, (which got its spark of
life from sociobiology) and judging by that alone, I think *e.p. comes
closer to reality of humans natures than most stuff out there. However, I
have no doubts at all, evolutionary psychology will also, if not already,
be used to promote the “oneness” dogma.
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On Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:39:05 GMT, [email protected] (James Hammerton)
wrote:
>dannie hawkins ([email protected]) wrote:
>> You show much dishonesty in the above because my post was to the
>Unfortunately the original article has expired at my site, so I cannot
>back up my defence against this accusation. However, as I recall,
snip
I reviewed all my out-box posts, and have to agree it appears you are
right… in One respect, and I was right, but to a smaller degree. So this
is my apology.
snip
>And for that matter you haven’t provided any, but then you seem to relish in not doing so.
In another post to you, I’ve carried this as far as I’m going with it.
It’s quite obvious minds are set.
>Why, don’t you have a source for this? Is it just a number plucked out
>the air that sounds intuitive to you?
Prove it wrong.
>not going to bother citing where you got this figure from either.Thus you cannot back it up.
>> =common sense=
>> should advise you that this More than likely true.
>> THINK about it.
>Common sense is often refuted byu scientific findings, e.g. take a
>look at what the theory of relativity says about time.
Do you honestly believe white people have always been only 10 % of the
world population? If you will just stop and think a minute, you’ll
understand how non whites of the world came to be so many, and whites so
few. Think medicine, agriculture, “humane” military intervention, etc,
etc. etc. On the white downside, we’ve done a very good job of Killing
ourselves off. But you already knew this stuff didn’t you?
>So you don’t wish to be informed by what biologists and other
>scientists have found out about race?
In another post, I gave info (by scientist) of the hypocrisy in this field
of “science”… you failed to even make a comment.
>Can you elaborate on what you understand this *biological species
>concept* to be? Also if a white man and a black woman meet up and are
>sexually attracted to each other, why should this be unnatural?
Nope… I’ve said all I’m going to say… unless you decide to post on the
problems mentioned by E.O.Wilson and Pat Shipman.
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On 9 Jun 1996 15:56:14 GMT, [email protected] (Marcus Jones) wrote:
>I have always understood
Why not drop what you’ve “always understood, and check out *the way it is,
at least with non human animals.
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On 11 Jun 1996 18:05:06 GMT, [email protected] (M.S. Robb) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>dannie hawkins wrote:
>>If someone promotes the end of ANY thing, you can honestly conclude the
>>person is Anti *that* thing.
>Two errors.
It’s Zero errors, which means You just made Three errors… one each, for
the two you said I made, and another for an erroneous post. Sweet dreams.
>I’m not promoting the end of any thing.
Oh yes you are… and nothing you say will change this Truth… unless you
come to your senses… but that is Extremely doubtful. So…
>And even if I was, then it wouldn’t follow that I was anti that thing.
Right… sorta like… “be still so I can Kill you, you’ll be much better
off.” You are an Enemy of white people.
>But apart from that, not too bad.
Too bad for you…
>>I believe these persons have the Purpose and Meaning of Life encoded in
>>them at the time of conception, and they are bound to follow that Force. I
>>also believe there are many individuals who, because of their personal
>>circumstances, have yet to realize their Natural Calling, but will follow
>>those Life Force signals when they are received.
>This is a sack of shite. No wonder the rest of what you come out with is
>so bad is you’ve got this little lot running around in your head.
Can you prove it, or is this just another assertion?
>No doubt you can vouch for all of this with mathfacts.
I’m sorry, but there’s no such thing, least not in the context of what is
being discussed here.
>>a Jew in Israel… said he was concerned about the survival of =his race=.
>And therefore all racists are right. Not.
And therefore all Anti race persons are wrong. Yes!
>>Cross-breeding (unfortunately) of the Lion and Tiger is one example. I’m
>>sure you’re aware they do not interbreed =Under Natural Conditions=. UNC
>>is the *Key principle of BSC (biological species concept)… the most
>>widely accepted concept of species classification, which are the guiding
>>principles of evolutionary biology.
>So, even if you were right, which you aren’t,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Looki herei dumbarse… if you’re not man/woman enough to admit you were
wrong on this, then you’re a very lowly person.
>IYO undernatural conditions, blacks and whites wouldn’t interbreed?
That’s what I’m saying, but consider the many implications of UNC before
you yap some silliness.
>>It should be unnecessary to point out that all the above applies to the
>>bio family *hominidae also…but it’s requires the laying aside all
>>hypocrisy.
>But it requires swallowing a sack of shite.
Tell it to the biologist, I didn’t develop the BSC. If it will make you
feel any better… it’d be awfully hard to find a scientist with enough
balls to openly discuss anything other than the *oneness “science.”
And even if some did agree there are different species of humans, you
don’t have to agree with them…
See how easy all this becomes… and only because [it’s] =all= a matter of
individual perceptions… whenever MathFacts do Not and will Not exist.
Now that you understand these simple things, you no longer have to be a
Hypocrite… to hell with all the so-called *evidence *sources *opinions,
and such. Express your =feelings= without “fear.” [so to speak]
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On 12 Jun 1996 14:32:05 GMT, [email protected] (Marcus Jones)
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (dannie hawkins) says:
>>On 9 Jun 1996 15:56:14 GMT, [email protected] (Marcus Jones) wrote:
>>>I have always understood
>>Why not drop what you’ve “always understood, and check out *the way it is,
>Why don’t you try to refute my arguments which you have conveniently
>deleted?
You started out Wrong… by mis-stating *scientific principles of which
*you people* put so much =faith= in.
>I assume from your failure to do so that your knowledge of biology and genetics is sadly lacking.
One thing is sure, you don’t have to *assume Your lack of knowledge of
biology… you’ve Proved it.
Also, if you think I’m gonna repost what I’ve already posted to others on
the thread… then you’re nutz.
If those on your side of this issue care not to check out the books I’ve
mentioned… which sheds Much light on the *reasons for =darkness= in the
scientific community…on this issue… then screw the whole bunch. It
will prove they’re Phonies, and have No interest in =truth seeking=, and
are here for the promotion of the *oneness dogma only.
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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:15:37 GMT, [email protected] (James Hammerton)
wrote:
>dannie hawkins ([email protected]) wrote:
>>On Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:40:56 GMT, [email protected] (James Hammerton)
>>wrote:
>Right, now you’ve explained it clearly. You say that math facts do not
>exist.
I said MathFacts Do Not Exist Within The Bounds I’ve described on this
issue.
>Does that mean you go with your feelings and never mind what
>people find out when they do their research?
There’s no way you can be this thick-headed… I’ve described my position
clear enough a child could understand, so knock off the crap.
>>It was written by Pat Shipman in 1994, titled =The Evolution of Racism=
>Does she claim that races are separate species?
I doubt it, but what has that got to do with her book? Do you Not want to
have knowledge of the forces of Dark science… how they operate?
>> My argument is of the hypocrisy within the scientific community. I’ve
>You are claiming that there is hypocrisy within the scientific
>community on the issue of race. Maybe you’re right,
It’s not a matter of *my being right, it’s a matter of what scientists
themselves have said.
>however shoddy work will soon be found out through the debates that the various
>groupings are having.
You Have Missed(?) The Point Entirely… of what has/is happening within
the scientific community… regarding the issue here.
>> further explained my position in another post to you… so it’s on you to
>> check it out or ignore it. I don’t Need “science” to justify my FEELINGS.
>So you’re saying that what scientists have found out has no bearing on
>what you believe than?
I’ve explained my position. You’re ignoring the sources of info I sent.
And now you’re throw pebbles…
>> As I’ve said, persons are going to believe what they wish to believe…
>I’ve changed my beliefs when faced with evidence and/or reasoned
>argument that refutes them. I know other people who have done the same.
Reread what I said… “what they =wish= to believe… ”
>On the other hand it could just be social conditioning, how would you
>determine which it was?
Yes it could, but also… a racist and a non racist can come not only from
the same social background, but from the same family … even tho both
having exposure to all things equally.
>> There’s no such thing as a “representative” sample when dealing with
>> absolute truths… Is fire hot…Yes… an absolute truth. But we know
>So you’re saying that when a scientists finds that blacks have lower
>IQs on average than whites, after studying millions of both groups, it
>is meaningless since “representative” samples don’t exist,
You’re sure trying….! The above has Absolutely Nothing to do with what
I’ve mentioned.
>unless you’re talking about “absolute” truths. There’s no such thing as
>absolute truth.
Yes there is, in NON ABSTRACTED form.
>Your sensoy perceptions might be distorted so what you
>think you see/hear/feel has little relation to reality, and there’d be
>nought you could do about it.
I’d call a person such as that… retarded, or maybe a True idiot, as
opposed to an “educated” Idiot.
>On the other hand I find my sensory perceptions seem to make some sort of
>sense and trust them (there’s little else I could do).
I believe there are different levels of perceptions… and someone with a
high i.q. may have low level perceptions, which would be a main reason for
bad, or mis-judgement… *when said judgement is outside his particular
field of training…or… even within his area of training, when
interpretation of an instant observation is called for, in absence of any
data, and outside all math.
>They’re both objects that appear to exist in the world of our
>perceptions.
You should cancel all further sessions with your abstractionist.
>> human animals… But something really weird happened…
>> Pat Shipman’s book is based on this particular aspect of the =breakdown=
>> of science… the beginning of total hypocrisy in this particular area.
>And you’re not gonna tell us what this weird thing was?
Sho ain’t… Get Off Your Butt And Read it.
>>The naming of races… tribes, Kinds, etc, has gone on =forever=, with
>>absolutely NO help from science. Much like the (un)’enlightened’ tribes of
>Indeed. So are you agreeing there’s no scientific basis for the
>labelling?
There you go… getting thick-headed again… unless you’re a determined
member of the “oneness” crowd. Do you agree with commoners who attach
names to all KINDS?
>>That may be a problem for science, but it’s not a problem for common folk
>>of Any kind. Members of all groups recognize those among them who are a
>So you’re saying that differentiation of the races is based on social
>factors?
Your agenda is showing!
>And why should we obey “natural” conditions?
Gee, I dunno, the world is sucha heavenly place.
>Much of human history is about how man has tried to escape the confines of nature.
All animals would like to have it easier, look how easy it is to spoil the
animals we domesticate. Look how easy it is to spoil animals that have
too much contact with humans inside national “parks” etc.
>How much of contemporary society could be claimed to be “natural”?
Natural Thought (Kind with Kind) keeps societies ‘spiritually’ healthy, a
true sense of community = And continuity=. In due time a multiracial
society will either become a mono racial society, or a society in
conflict. So how much of society is “natural?” Well, we all have a bunch
of natural stuff inside us, just hanging out… waiting for a call.
>> Fire is hot.
>Not it’s not. It’s cooler than the Sun. Now that is hot.
That’s not a sun… THIS is a sun!
>You percieve whether it is raining or not. That perception is a fact
>to you, but you cannot prove it to anyone else, even if they share it
>they could argue your sensory perceptions are distorted or a complete
>illusion, and you couldn’t disprove them.
As I said above… you need to stay away from your abstractionist. Life
would be Soo much simpler.
>Yes we do. At the simplest level people act on the theory that their
>sensory perceptions reflect some sort of reality external to
>them.
You are trying to explain something that is Totally unnecessary, and
Useless… in normal life.
>They won’t necessarily think about it consciously but it is what
>they do.
I basically agree.
>At the next level they assume that what they percieve and
>what others near them percieve will be the same, or sufficiently
>similar that they can communicate with each other and talk about
>it. Again it is an unprovable assumption, that seems to work.
I have no doubts at all this is true… and in small primitive societies,
it would have been much easier for the “shallowness” or “highness” of
individuals’ perceptions to be noticed, due to the non complex nature of
their existence, along with the smallness of the tribe.
Unfortunately, the nature of modern complex societies, with everyone going
off to school to become “smart”… be able to talk about a whole bunch of
stuff… using the king’s english properly and such… being trained to do
a particular something… [learn them rules, the churches’, states’,
nation’s, and schools’] has not only battered our Natural senses, but has
the masses confused as to “what’s smart, and what’s not.”
>Humans are social creatures and yes their perceptions can be distorted
>by their beliefs.
Tho humans are Not born with =equal= perceptions… no more than certain
(all?) animals.
>>faith like acceptance= of thoughts and opinions that are *of and from* products
>>of institutions of learning has also been ingrained in them. For this reason, if a
>>person has =feelings= that are not in agreement with certain claims made by
>>social “experts,” then it’s time to demand simple (non abstract) MathFacts.
>And what do you think the “experts” study, try to gather?
Geezus frigging christ… quit speed reading and pay attention.
>Why should human science be different?
Because humans are LIVING THINGS! Most humans worldwide have
No Need what so ever… for some Idiot scientist, preacher, or whatever,
explaining *their rules of humanity to them.
>We all have theories of human nature, some have based their’s on studies
>of large numbers of people in large numbers of situations.
*Arranged studies… have very little value… not much better than
studying animals in a zoo… and maybe not as accurate.
>Working out which ones best explain our observations is our only way of
>deciding between them.
This is fine on paper, but shallow.. in reality.
>The task is not easy due to the plasticity and diversity of behaviour that humans
>exhibit, and due to the extremely large number of variables that need
>to be catered for.
It’s next to impossible, due to the nature of the study… =and= the
nature of individuals studied –the nature of the individual who is doing
the observing… or the one who may be interpreting written notes of
others… and mis-info grows and grows, becoming written facts in due
time.
>It is necessary for day to day life, although you’re not conscious of
>the assumptions you make and how you interpret your perceptions.
I’m not trying to get inside human minds to see how they work, and neither
are the vast majority of humans. I understand what you’re saying, but you
*first* stated; humans =need theories= for everyday life… and you said
this within the context of *information gathering* by “experts.”
I disagree with your *original* contention.
>Again you’re ignoring the assumptions you have to make just to look at
>an object and say “that’s a chair”.
No I’m not, I’m saying you’re wasting time on something that is
unimportant. There’s no need to know about switches that go off inside
our heads, tripping other switches that then turns on our stored
“theories” which in turn… clicks the proper *DoThis* button.
>> circumstances, it won’t be persons who have rejected their Natural senses
>> for opinions and theories of so-called experts … who will survive. It
>Urm, science has shown our beliefs to be inadequate for explaining the
>behaviour of the world many times and contemporary society is built on its
>achievements in this respect.
This has nothing to do with [humans’ Natural instincts being their best
guide] particularly during periods of danger… turmoil… etc.
>I’m not saying experts, or even science is infallible, one aspect of human
>nature is that most people, scientists or otherwise, agree on is that humans
>are fallible.
I’m saying the ‘experts” are wrong more than they’re right, when
explaining human nature, along with many other things, and wrong all the
time when shoving their *oneness dogma down everyones throats.
>However if someone performs a study showing that women are more likely
The above sentence was not finished therefore I
>>gave info you are more that likely unfamiliar with, and aware of.
snip
>I’d respond that just because you get groups within the scientific community
>battling things out for political reasons doesn’t mean that the science going
>on is flawed.
I’m afraid your missing the point.
Once more… the books I’ve listed, give details of what the “oneness”
=fascist= have done to stifle certain scientific questions, and certain
scientific findings.
Scientist have been cowed by these Anti science fascist… if not into
open acceptance of the *oneness dogma… they have been cowed into
silence, or cowed into abandoning all [non] *oneness thoughts altogether.
Those who do have [those] *thoughts… kept them to themselves… for fear
of the *oneness fascist… fear of the power they wield etc.
Do you disagree with the actions of the *oneness fascist? But first, you
need to read that stuff to see if I’m just BS’ing.
>Indeed when the arguments are settled, the theories will
>have been subject to considerable scrutiny and criticism and those
>that survive we can be reasonably sure are better at explaining the
>phenomena under discussion.
As I’ve said… nothing will reach that point, the *oneness fascists
destroy careers etc…. They are True Fascist. Read the material and then
discuss the problem if you dare.
>> I’ve seen *some evolutionary psychology articles, (which got its spark of
>> life from sociobiology) and judging by that alone, I think *e.p. comes
>> closer to reality of humans natures than most stuff out there. However, I
>I actually agree. Robert Wright’s book explains how our sense of
>morality, and many other aspects of behaviour has been influenced by
>our genetic inheritance.
But one cannot leave out the other influences that have been mentioned,
religion, schooling, etc.
>However he points out that modern society is considerably different from the
>hunter gatherer societies that most of our genetic endowment was shaped in
>and that the genetic influences will thus not always fit well with it.
I’m sure that’s true, and is the root cause/reason for many things that
happen in “civilized” society that many people cannot understand. I
disagree with the belief that human genetic influences will necessarily
change in due time, and become “more civilized”… as someone has
suggested. I believe all those so-called primitive influences are the only
reason humans have made it this far, and the only reason humans will
continue… IF humans continue.
>On the other hand he also shows that there is considerable plasticity and flexibility
>in human behaviour which can override our genetic influences.
Yes, by being repressed by superstition (religion), force (gov.), societal
pressures, etc, to a certain degree, and up to a certain point. A little
like Wild animals taken when young, and “turning them”… into *obedient
pets. In other ways, humans are like animals in a zoo… and the
combination of all this may cause individuals to react in “abnormal” ways
some(?) times.
>Just to clarify, what do you mean by the “oneness” dogma? The belief
>that all people are the same or the belief that all people are of
>equal worth?
The *oneness dogma is; “we’re all just one big family of human beanies and
nothing more, and we love to love all peoples.” Puke!
“Equal worth” is a humanist concept, and has absolutely nothing to do with
reality … or race. I view wild animals as having more *worth than many
humans, for the simple reason of them following the Laws of Nature and
those humans do not.
What about *worthiness? In terms of the Living Planet Earth…humans have
No worth when compared to insects. They keep it all going, make the planet
come alive, with the help of other Natural forces of course, =but humans
cannot=. Now ain’t that a bitch! Humanist are human supremacist without
Any justification… when the things that Really count… are counted.
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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:20:50 -0400, Robert Rees
wrote:
isn’t this on the wrong thread?
>Please vote no to communism and yes to Yelson.
Why?
>Stop the endless ecomomical devestation that Communism brings.
Are the communist running things in Russia today?
>Let the free world bring light to the previous USSR.
Such as the light from all the glittering commercial stuff?
>Yelson is the only choice because communism is bad for the world.
But one world government [of, by, and for] the international “elite” is a
good thing?
Hopefully Russia will not become another slave state for the Masters of
Puppets.
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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:31:02 -0700, a rose
wrote:
>dannie hawkins wrote:
>> By the way, these =different= species of the same bio family Can
>> interbreed, but Don’t… under NATURAL Conditions. Needless to say, humans
>I see you set your foot on biological terrain.
Yes, the second I was born. We are biological aren’t we…
>Maybe you find this interesting: Biological sytematics says that, unlike
>the families Canidae and Felidae, the family of humans (Hominidae)
>consists of only one species: Homo sapiens.
Yeah, always first check =The Book of Human Rules= by.. -The Rulers.
That’s hardly news to me. That’s what I’ve been bitching about… the
hypocrisy of “science.” Science is not science whenever =thought control=
measures exist at any level, from any source.
The “principles” that your country uses to control *thought*… on the
holocaust for instance… have much in common with the *thought control*
measures used in the bio/anthropological sciences.
The small differences are; in one case, people are put in jail for
expressing certain thoughts, of which =a part= of the expression is over
Dead KINDS. In the other case, careers are ruined for thoughts over
Live KINDS… but in the last case, the control is by the powerful forces
of the fascist-minded international *oneness* patrol. Strange indeed…
This of course is a reason given by the *oneness fascist for the necessity
of doing away with scientific *Kind classification… because people will
presumably Kill more people if they are identifiable by a *Kind name. I
wonder who is responsible for naming the Hutus and Tutsies?
>(That’s Latin for “the wise human”, with the occasional exception to the rule.)
What a misnomer!
>All other members of our family are supposed to be extinct.
Not by the principles used in evolutionary biology… no matter what the
fascist-minded “experts” say on this matter. If humans were classified
*using the Exact criteria used for other species, there would be numerous
human species… just as there are in other bio families.
>But actually many biologists have to admit that this sytematic division of humans is indeed
>artificial and on shaky grounds.
ALL scientific *species classifications* are artificial. And much of
bio/anthropology stands on shaky ground. In the area of family hominidae,
[it] has become absolutely hypocritical.
>”If the same standards used in the classification of other mammalian orders were
>applied to the primates, humans would be included with gibbons and great
>apes in a single family.” (Vaughan (1968) Mammalogy. 3rd ed. Saunders College Publishing.)
I wonder if that includes the little pink-skinned monkey from Japan… he
may be my long lost cousin…
>Actually, I think it is the personal qualities and achievements that make a human special.
Depends upon what those “personal qualities” are… and what those
“achievements” are… your criteria for them … and your criteria for
worthiness and non worthiness…, in order for others to understand your
*classification* of “special human.” You failed to give this information.
You Do understand that things *you* feel are “good” qualities… may very
well be considered *not so good… or even bad… to others. Yes, humans
have very unequal feelings.
>What are yours?
By asking that question… gives a clue of your character…a hint of
hidden arrogance.
>–<–@ (a rose, who could use a lttle more melaine. Damn sunburn.)
Well you could at least guarantee your future children wouldn’t have to go
thru such horrible pain and suffering as you have… IF you find a mate of
African ancestry… as your countryman… =borris becker= …has done.
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On Fri, 14 Jun 96 15:21:21 EST, [email protected] (Scott Erb)
wrote:
>Most of this was just bluster by dannie to basically avoid refuting james.
Ah, erbie’s been talking to his pet rock again.
>But I have a couple of comments about a few points…
Why waste your time
>Dannie,
ERBie… Man o man… I thought you were dead. I was certain you’d found
yourself surrounded by black metal… you know… like one’a them big ole
cooking pots.
>perhaps you can claim that an absolute truth exists, but there is no
>ability to *know* that absolute truth.
i understand your dilemma…and your pain.
>I realize your brain does have trouble with abstraction –
it’s awfully sweet of you to realize this.
>- you dismiss James’ arguments anytime they get abstract –
yes, but I believe he has the ability to overcome that problem.
>- but as any specialist will tell you, IQ tests consider the ability to
>deal with abstraction to be perhaps the higest form of intelligence.
It’s on the individual to have enough sense when to leave the abstract
world and return to reality, an unfortunate problem *educated Idiots have.
>>Sho ain’t… Get Off Your Butt And Read it.
>none of us who are reading this thread will place much merit in vague assertions
“vague assertions”… yeah, well you know how them scientist people are.
>that books said something… and look up stuff they probably aren’t too interested in.
truly interesting that you’d admit the above.
[looki looki… their slippers are showing]
>>Natural Thought (Kind with Kind) keeps societies ‘spiritually’ healthy, a
>>true sense of community = And continuity=.
>You are dabbling into pseudo-religion here, dannie.
Natural Thought [Wulf with Wulf] keeps Wulfpacks ‘spiritually’ healthy, a
true sense of community =And continuity=!
yep, Nature is just full’a that suedo stuff.
>Since all perception is subjective, you can’t really know for sure what
>others are perceiving. You can only use communication to figure out how to
>get along and reach agreements.
a limited view of artificial perceptions, and *no understanding of Natural
perceptions.
>In that sense, social reality is a construction requiring symbolic interaction and
>communication. Or is that too abstract for your ability to understand?
… a fair example of mental waste.
>A point: humans make sense out of their perception with pre-existing or
>learned understandings.
“learned understandings”… *replace* Natural perceptions.
>”theories”; without them, we couldn’t act in the world or communicate with others.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
*pre-conceived* notions… that may or may Not have *anything* to do with
Natural Perceptions.
>We are all theoreticians, even in every day life, even the non-experts.
________________________________________________________
It’s unfortunate that so many *products of “learning centers,” happily
leave them, believing they have become well-rounded *smart persons,
completely capable of making independent decisions, issuing orders or
directives, becoming politicians, teachers, preachers, and so on.
Due to their academic credential, these persons are largely accepted by
the whole of society as intelligent individuals, when actually many,
[maybe a majority] of them are only *knowledgeable individuals.
The resulting problems from this can be [observed and felt] in practically
all areas of life in “sophisticated” societies, and to various degrees, in
“less sophisticated” areas of the world.
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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:27:34 -0800, [email protected] (Andy
Groves) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (dannie
>hawkins) wrote:
>So what are your criteria? I’ll tell you what mine are. To quote from
>Ernst Mayr, a species are
>”… groups of actually or potentially interbreeding natural populations
>which are reproductively isolated from other such groups.”
“I will try to cut to the heart of the matter with the “biological species
concept”: [a species is a population whose members are able to interbreed
freely under natural conditions.] This definition is an idea easily
stated but filled with exceptions and difficulties, all interesting, all
reflective of the range of complexity in evolutionary biology itself.”
The above was taken from Edward O. Wilson’s _The Diversity of Life_ [1992]
pg38.
>If you accept this definition, then your statement above is wrong. If you
>don’t accept it, what is your alternative?
No… you are wrong. As you can see in Wilson’s comment, it ain’t quite
that simple.
>Don’t be shy.
>Andy Groves
>Division of Biology, 216-76
>California Institute of Technology
>Pasadena CA 91125 USA
Well, I am a little shy, but go for your guns anyway.
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On 15 Jun 1996 02:50:45 GMT, [email protected](Identity Unknown
Occupation Unknown) wrote:
[This should not be on this thread, but I am forced to answer this attack]
>In <[email protected]> [email protected] (dannie
>hawkins) writes:
>>On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:20:50 -0400, Robert Rees
>> wrote:
>>isn’t this on the wrong thread?
>>>Please vote no to communism and yes to Yelson.
>>Why?
>>>Stop the endless ecomomical devestation that Communism brings.
>>Are the communist running things in Russia today?
>>>Let the free world bring light to the previous USSR.
>>Such as the light from all the glittering commercial stuff?
>>>Yelson is the only choice because communism is bad for the world.
>>But one world government [of, by, and for] the international “elite”
>>is a good thing? Hopefully Russia will not become another slave state for the Masters
>>of Puppets.
>>www.resist.com
>What your a Racist????…
There was nothing in my post above that was related to what you have
posted… but I will answer your insane attack.
I am a Naturalist… I believe in =Kind with Kind=. Any person or system
of gov. that places *anything above the well-being of the Blood of their
Kind, will sooner or later pay greatly… in one way or the other.
>You Dipshits Make It VERY HARD for Other Gun Owners.
IDIOT… your guns are more important to you than the Blood of your
people?
Guns [weapons] are useful for survival, but it’s very doubtful you’d use
one for such a noble [Natural] cause… but I’d bet you take very good
care of them otherwise… Someone will probably take them from you, and
use them on your “politically correct” weak ass.
>The Idiot Liberals Always use you Assholes to discredit Us..
You have discredited yourself… you need no outside help. People as
yourself have no *true worth*… “you” are =economic= CONservatives.
True Natural Worth means one’s *first* concerns are for the survival of
his Kind… All else is *secondary… as *you obviously are.
>You want to be a Racist maybe I will Buy you Plane Ticket to Zepa
>and Mladic can Show you that WHAT YOU REALLY ARE.. HUMAN GARBAGE,
One type of garbage is “left-overs”… to be disposed of… fed to
animals… hogs for instance. It is a *mixture* of all left-overs… the
scraps of everything that were originally (un)mixed whole vegetables and
such, …of different *Kinds*.
If you favor “mixing” of human Kinds, you are very much like the
“left-overs” above… good for nothing but food for hogs and dogs.
>And you really deserve nothing more then to be kicked out of This Country
The u.s. is entering a period of decline, much like the roman empire.
Extremely violent times are to come… The *many years of violence will
weed the human tribes quite well. But Idiots as yourself can only see one
day at a time, and will suffer greatly for being so short-sighted and
stupid…
>and Maybe have someone WHO is ABOUT 1000’s times more Meaner, Tougher,
>and more Vicious then You Are Throw In a Bottomless Pit.
Ole stupid one… the u.s. [will be] the “bottomless pit” in the near
future. But you, and others like you, don’t need to understand this
because “you” are weakly cowardly Anti white Idiots… and deserve
NO quarter.
>You want to see Racism…Then you can see what it really STANDS FOR.. Nothing But
>Death and More Death…
Idiot…. Anti Race [or Anti Kind] means _DEATH_… to All Kinds.
Think about it… if your brain has not totally *dry-rotted* from non-use.
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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:56:06 -0800, [email protected] (Andy
Groves) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (dannie
>hawkins) wrote:
>>>[email protected] (Andy Groves) wrote:
>>>If you accept this definition, then your statement above is wrong.
>>No… you are wrong.
>>> If you don’t accept it, what is your alternative?
>> As you can see in Wilson’s comment, it ain’t quite that simple.
>So (for the second time), what is your alternative definition?
So, for NOT a second time will I *repost* Wilson’s comment that you
snipped.
If you had a problem understanding [his] short, but informative,
explanation of the BSC… what the hell are you doing in biology?
If you had a problem understanding the reason I posted [it], then what the
hell are you doing at CalTech?
If you *still* have a problem after this… comprehension could be the
reason.
—
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Subject: Re: CROATS BRAG ABOUT THEIR NAZI PAST (present & future)
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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:20:50 -0400, Robert Rees
wrote:
isn’t this on the wrong thread?
>Please vote no to communism and yes to Yelson.
Why?
>Stop the endless ecomomical devestation that Communism brings.
Are the communist running things in Russia today?
>Let the free world bring light to the previous USSR.
Such as the light from all the glittering commercial stuff?
>Yelson is the only choice because communism is bad for the world.
But one world government [of, by, and for] the international “elite” is a
good thing?
Hopefully Russia will not become another slave state for the Masters of
Puppets.
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Subject: Re: CROATS BRAG ABOUT THEIR NAZI PAST (present & future)
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On 15 Jun 1996 02:50:45 GMT, [email protected](Identity Unknown
Occupation Unknown) wrote:
[This should not be on this thread, but I am forced to answer this attack]
>In <[email protected]> [email protected] (dannie
>hawkins) writes:
>>On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:20:50 -0400, Robert Rees
>> wrote:
>>isn’t this on the wrong thread?
>>>Please vote no to communism and yes to Yelson.
>>Why?
>>>Stop the endless ecomomical devestation that Communism brings.
>>Are the communist running things in Russia today?
>>>Let the free world bring light to the previous USSR.
>>Such as the light from all the glittering commercial stuff?
>>>Yelson is the only choice because communism is bad for the world.
>>But one world government [of, by, and for] the international “elite”
>>is a good thing? Hopefully Russia will not become another slave state for the Masters
>>of Puppets.
>>www.resist.com
>What your a Racist????…
There was nothing in my post above that was related to what you have
posted… but I will answer your insane attack.
I am a Naturalist… I believe in =Kind with Kind=. Any person or system
of gov. that places *anything above the well-being of the Blood of their
Kind, will sooner or later pay greatly… in one way or the other.
>You Dipshits Make It VERY HARD for Other Gun Owners.
IDIOT… your guns are more important to you than the Blood of your
people?
Guns [weapons] are useful for survival, but it’s very doubtful you’d use
one for such a noble [Natural] cause… but I’d bet you take very good
care of them otherwise… Someone will probably take them from you, and
use them on your “politically correct” weak ass.
>The Idiot Liberals Always use you Assholes to discredit Us..
You have discredited yourself… you need no outside help. People as
yourself have no *true worth*… “you” are =economic= CONservatives.
True Natural Worth means one’s *first* concerns are for the survival of
his Kind… All else is *secondary… as *you obviously are.
>You want to be a Racist maybe I will Buy you Plane Ticket to Zepa
>and Mladic can Show you that WHAT YOU REALLY ARE.. HUMAN GARBAGE,
One type of garbage is “left-overs”… to be disposed of… fed to
animals… hogs for instance. It is a *mixture* of all left-overs… the
scraps of everything that were originally (un)mixed whole vegetables and
such, …of different *Kinds*.
If you favor “mixing” of human Kinds, you are very much like the
“left-overs” above… good for nothing but food for hogs and dogs.
>And you really deserve nothing more then to be kicked out of This Country
The u.s. is entering a period of decline, much like the roman empire.
Extremely violent times are to come… The *many years of violence will
weed the human tribes quite well. But Idiots as yourself can only see one
day at a time, and will suffer greatly for being so short-sighted and
stupid…
>and Maybe have someone WHO is ABOUT 1000’s times more Meaner, Tougher,
>and more Vicious then You Are Throw In a Bottomless Pit.
Ole stupid one… the u.s. [will be] the “bottomless pit” in the near
future. But you, and others like you, don’t need to understand this
because “you” are weakly cowardly Anti white Idiots… and deserve
NO quarter.
>You want to see Racism…Then you can see what it really STANDS FOR.. Nothing But
>Death and More Death…
Idiot…. Anti Race [or Anti Kind] means _DEATH_… to All Kinds.
Think about it… if your brain has not totally *dry-rotted* from non-use.
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Subject: WAR’s TOM METZGER
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[The following article by White Aryan Resistance Director Tom Metzger,
was taken from a 4page ‘hand-out’ WAR has begun publishing]
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_Thoughts from a White Racist_
“When I was a child I did childish things, however, when I became a
man I put away childish things.”
The foregoing is a paraphrase of a very old and logical thought.
When I was a child I was taught that if you love your country, your
country will love you. When you, as a citizen, worked hard you would reap
the rewards of your work. I was told that you go to war to protect your
land by birthright from foreign invasion. Invasion by those who had no
birthright and whose ancestors’ blood had not watered the tree of liberty
were to be expunged or expelled.
I was told that the men and women who fought and died in WWII, Korea
and Vietnam had fought to ensure our collective birthrights. Also, that
those who sacrificed would receive great honor and respect, along with a
proper share of the nation’s bounty.
When I studied the U.S. Constitution, I found no mention that all men
were created equal. I found no directive that monies should be taken by
force from the people and squandered around the world to the bottomless
pit of the Third World. I saw no permission for a corrupt central
government to extract trillions from the citizens to support a war budget
cleverly labeled defense.
I was taught that your home is your castle and a place of refuge. When
I chose to move, the house could be sold to whomever I chose to sell it.
Having respect for my extended White family and neighbors, I would
respect what kind of neighborhood they wished to live in.
Now, you and I both know these were all lies, and those powerful
political and economic forces care not one iota for our cultural heritage
and racial future.
The U.S. Constitution, like the France Maginot Line, not only was
ineffective, but was actually turned around to the benefit of our
enemies. Jefferson once said, “The Supreme Court is nine men who can
decide anything means anything.” Today, the Supreme Court and the
legions of Federal Judges routinely rule against White America. On almost
any subject, the constitution is used as a weapon to promote other races
and nations, while helping to destroy White America.
White workers who enjoyed a very high standard of living are now in
direct competition with millions of new arrivals, a majority of which are
non-White and illegal. The super-rich dismantle their industries and move
to all areas of the non-White world. There they may treat near slave-like
workers the way in which White men were once treated early in this
century.
And what about your birthright, White men and women? Has it been
stolen or have you just given it up?
Veterans lie in filthy VA hospitals attended by Third World nurses and
doctors you can barely understand. You have to beg for help. You are
treated in a demeaning manner on your own soil; the soil you gave your
all to defend. Is there something wrong here? We think so.
In the early 1950’s, White America was sold a bill of goods that if we
wished to be prosperous and healthy we should limit our offspring. A
majority of White families went along with this idea. They honestly
expected that, with the slowing down of White population growth, America
would become an even greater nation. What happened? No sooner had White
people bought into this lie, the flood gates were opened to the non-White
nations of the world. Essentially, there has been no real border control
for perhaps forty years or more. Even retired border patrol agents will
tell of how immigration control is a mirage with less than 10% being
apprehended.
In all areas of American life, you and I were lied to. It was a
vicious lie and now the fact that it’s caught up to us means we must pay
the piper.
The past system and the good old days are gone and never will return
in the same way we once knew them. We can, however, put away childish
things and take the bull by the horns, so to speak.
It won’t be an easy job since we as a culture and nation are still on
the down grade. Understanding that the old ways will never return and
that our present institutions have betrayed us, we are left with few
options. These options will not be easy, let-George-do-it options.
WAR realizes that with school and university brainwashing, millions of
North American Whites are at this time beyond turning around. They must
be left to the natural evolution of severe conditions for training. For
those Whites who have never slept or who are just now rising from a
political sleep-walk, welcome!
WAR started with a simple and basic approach. Educate, stimulate and
train as many White people as we could reach with the budget at our
command.
Through radio, computer, telephone, facsimile, television, newspapers
and speeches, we have reached millions over the years. Since 1984, our
television program, Race and Reason, has reached millions on cable TV
across the nation. our newspaper, WAR, in print in its present form since
the early 1980’s reaches hundreds of thousands more. Our WAR Internet Web
page now reaches nearly 100,000 people per month (mostly young White
people). WAR voice mail has been grinding out weekly news updates, in
their present form, also since the early `80’s.
WAR has accomplished this and much more with individual volunteers
around North America and the World. I routinely speak by telephone with
high school and college classes across the United States. My son John and
I have traveled to foreign lands giving lectures and speeches.
Yes, WAR is preparing for the Phoenix Rising, when White
Euro-Americans begin their climb out of the mire of party politics,
cultural decay, race-mixing, and a profits-at-any-cost society.
WAR is not a membership idea, but one of self-starting associate
leaders working within their communities and their job vocations,
silently preparing for that day when once again, White men and women will
be proud to be Aryan.
How about you? Tomorrow is the first day of the rest of your life.
Why not devote it to your blood and the honor of your ancestors who
carried the torch long ago.
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On Sat, 22 Jun 1996 15:48:09 -0700, a rose
wrote:
>>dannie hawkins wrote:
>> >by E. O. Wilson you mentioned?
>> He doesn’t write about *race.
>He does.” (page 50 >A few pages later (p 58), Then, on page 60/61:
What are you… the campus idiot? Wilson does Not write “about” race. In
_The Diversity of Life_, he *touches on the evolving of family hominidae,
along with a few lines of what you posted here, which hardly justifies
saying … “he does”… write on race. Since you already know this, your
posting only exposes another character flaw you have, –deep-seated
dishonesty–, a more or less common trait of supporters of the human
“oneness” dogma.
You’ve responded with NOT a word on what I’ve posted concerning the major
problems within bio/anthropological sciences… of the *control methods
used by the “oneness” fascist… their dirty deeds and such… but instead
you’ve tried with your insignificant post to prove I’ve been dishonest or
some such small-minded crap. You have shown your hand by your stupidity.
Wilson quote:
>”Estimates of the number of races made by researchers during the
>1950s ranged from six to more than sixty. The variation in number is due
>precisely to the fact that _Homo sapiens_ is a typical evolving species.
Wilson is wrong above for stating “a typical evolving…” because human
evolution has not been “typical” for quite some time. You should be aware
of the *primary principle within the Biological Species Concept, [the
guiding principles of evolutionary biology] is =Under Natural Conditions=.
For a very long time now, human evolution has been no more typical than
that of domesticated animals, and in many cases, even less. However,
Wilson often stresses the importance of UNC in evolutionary biology, so
with that in mind, he would not be wrong.
The argument here has absolutely nothing to do with Wilson’s views on
human Kinds anyway. I feel sure he’d rather not discuss humans any
further than he has already… considering how the *oneness fascist almost
destroyed his career after he wrote _Sociobiology_, [1974]
Anyone wishing to know more of ways and means of the *oneness fascist*
should read E.O. Wilson’s _Naturalist_ and Pat Shipman’s _The Evolution of
Racism_ , both printed in 1994] Wilson is a biologist at Harvard and Ms
Shipman is a paleoanthropologist,
Wilson quote:
>”Anthropologists,like biologists, have now largely abandoned the formal
>subspecies concept.”
Yes, the first step in what has now become the human “oneness” doctrine.
The giant step “forward” to bring family hominidae Back to it’s original
starting point… is Exactly the end result of the insane “human oneness”
concept.
To claim members of the family hominidae are not subject to the same
guidelines as other bio families, is to make evolutionary biology a
Complete Fraud… and that is exactly what the =oneness fascist= have
done.
There is no way for the *oneness crowd to win this argument without
changing the rules. But then… it will only “work” within the minds of
the rule-changers.
As I’ve said… the probability is Very high, this argument will not be
settled till one side or the other is destroyed — Killed. The odds are
against the Anti Nature *oneness* crowd because they are happy just
to be alive *today, whereas Pro Natural Diversity persons view [this] as:
=The Life or Death struggle for Tomorrow=
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Subject: Re: Whopper of the Week: Race is “Cultural”
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On Sun, 23 Jun 1996 19:58:13 +0100, [email protected] (Steve
Firth) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>”Duncan R. MacMillan” wrote:
>> “Holocaust, what Holocaust?”.
>Hi Duncan, thought you’d like to know that you just committed an illegal
>act in Germany (where your posts are distributed by the magic of Usenet.)
germany is a police state ye know… sorta like what has been said of the
old soviet union. germans will soon have gov. agents breaking into their
homes… tapping their phones and such…yep… sho gonna happen. wonder
how much more tyrant stuff will they tolerate… Hmmm?
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Subject: Re: Visiting Africa/Asia?
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On 25 Jun 1996 12:49:09 GMT, Kim Niendorf wrote:
>It’s interesting to note that the chances of getting an inherited genetic defect
>is inversely proportional to the distance between your parent’s birthplaces. It
>therefore pays to marry somone who is from a differnt gene pool so why not
>bring back a spouse when you go to these exotic places.
And just think.. if everyone screws everyone… “science” could stop
looking for any sort of missing links… they could view them as they
“pop-up,” so to speak, thru Kim Ninedork’s inversed evolution … all the
way back to the first little monkeys maybe. Ninedork is Sooo smart…!
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On Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:05:49 +0100, David Roberts
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>Sam J. Turner wrote:
>> :dannie hawkins wrote:
>> : And just think.. if everyone screws everyone… “science” could stop
>> : looking for any sort of missing links… they could view them as they
>> : “pop-up,” so to speak, thru Kim Ninedork’s inversed evolution … all the
>> : way back to the first little monkeys maybe. Ninedork is Sooo smart…!
>> : —
>> ROTFLWWTFILATDM.
=MYSDNKRS=
>TWTFM !!
_BINSIYD_
btw… tell ole what’s his name… adruid said hi. Betcha he blows a fuse
or som’um.
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From: [email protected] (dannie hawkins)
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On 28 Jun 1996 12:24:41 GMT, [email protected] (Philip Kasiecki)
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> Phil “I don’t know of anyone who wants to hang me” Kasiecki
You’d be surprised how many people would like to hang you, but they may(?)
think you’re not worth the price of a good rope.
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On 28 Jun 1996 12:24:41 GMT, [email protected] (Philip Kasiecki)
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> Phil “I don’t know of anyone who wants to hang me” Kasiecki
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think you’re not worth the price of a good rope.
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On 28 Jun 1996 12:24:41 GMT, [email protected] (Philip Kasiecki)
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> Phil “I don’t know of anyone who wants to hang me” Kasiecki
You’d be surprised how many people would like to hang you, but they may(?)
think you’re not worth the price of a good rope.
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