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In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
! > [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) writes:
!
! > But as you whine off into the sunset, muttering insincere buttery
! > platitudes, you, like Mortie Kleim, have — with your own words, by
! > your own efforts, over months and years — branded yourself as the
! > bigot you are, leaving the mark of Cain, self-administered, on your
! > own forehead.
!
! I was really disturbed by your response. You have not presented a
! single reason to believe that this apology was not sincere. If, Schoedel
! does, in fact, have a “mark of Cain” it is something between him and his
! conscience just as Hugo Black had to live with his youthful fling as a
! member of the KKK.
!
! –YFE
Oh no, Joel Rosenberg is a literary genius who so far has convinced three
anti-semites to fear Jews with no more of a weapon than his incisive wit.
If you question him, then that means you are an anti-semite, dog-fucker.
From [email protected] Tue Jul 2 10:17:24 PDT 1996
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In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
! > [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) writes:
!
! > But as you whine off into the sunset, muttering insincere buttery
! > platitudes, you, like Mortie Kleim, have — with your own words, by
! > your own efforts, over months and years — branded yourself as the
! > bigot you are, leaving the mark of Cain, self-administered, on your
! > own forehead.
!
! I was really disturbed by your response. You have not presented a
! single reason to believe that this apology was not sincere. If, Schoedel
! does, in fact, have a “mark of Cain” it is something between him and his
! conscience just as Hugo Black had to live with his youthful fling as a
! member of the KKK.
!
! –YFE
Oh no, Joel Rosenberg is a literary genius who so far has convinced three
anti-semites to fear Jews with no more of a weapon than his incisive wit.
If you question him, then that means you are an anti-semite, dog-fucker.
From [email protected] Wed Jul 3 07:37:21 PDT 1996
Article: 47851 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: Nazi to be arraigned on child pornography…
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In <[email protected]> [email protected](BodyHammer) writes:
! According to the New Times Reporter-Gazette, a nazi skinhead was
! arrested for filming, directing, producing, and starring in a child
! porn flick. The story revolves around little nicky, a 9 year old white
! boy who is lonely, and tired of being a nobody. Little Nicky meets up
! with 24 year old Red Johnson, the nazi skinhead producer/actor. In a
! series of disgusting encounters, Red uplifts and cheers little Nicky,
! in order to recruit more nazi skinheads…
!
! 10 years later, little Nicky (now played by Red), a grown 19 year old,
! returns the favors of the Red Johnson legacy, and recruits 7 year old
! Todd.
!
! Red Johnson, was arraigned in the southern district court of San
! Adraino. He pleaded guilty to, child pornography and stupidity. Red
! was sentenced to 20 years in the San Adraino county jail, where he has
! become a bitch for fellow neonazi skinhead child porn producer/actors.
!
! Hail white power. (you fucking morons)
!
! Mortiis
! in one of a series of assaults on nazi’s and racists, who, when all is
! said and done, go to alt.sex.pedophilia, and get there jollies.
Is this a true story?
From [email protected] Wed Jul 3 07:37:22 PDT 1996
Article: 47930 of alt.revisionism
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In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Rich Graves) writes:
Do you feel that it is ONLY pornography which deserves anti-censorship
protection, or should political speech also be protected, such as racist
speech? Do you deny that racist speech can be political, or do you regard
racist speech as the equivalent of an act of violence, and should be
punished by the government as such?
I can hear you now, “German prisons aren’t so bad, the inmates can talk
about anything they want.”
Jew, quit giving us a bad name.
! [email protected] (Ehrlich606) writes:
! >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Hilary
! >Ostrov) writes:
! >>
! >>Oh, btw, speaking of “hate propaganda” Mr. Ehrlich, how would you best
! >>describe the publications Mr. Zundel offers for sale?
! >
! >What does Mr. Zundel offer for sale?
!
! Well, there’s the Nazi UFO stuff, but I assume you’re not interested in
! that.
!
! For a catalog, point your web browser at:
!
! http://www.gsia.cmu.edu/andrew/ml3e/www/Not_By_Me_Not_My_Views/prod.vid.001.html
! http://www.gsia.cmu.edu/andrew/ml3e/www/Not_By_Me_Not_My_Views/prod.aud.002.html
!
! I think this would qualify as hate propaganda:
!
! | 13. Ernst Zundel interviews Ewald Althans about political activism in
! | Germany. Ewald Althans, now incarcerated in Germany for “denying the
! | Holocaust,” was known as one of the leading figures of Germany’s newly
! | emerging nationalist movement. He was frequently featured on German and
! | international TV, most notably in the controversial film: “Beruf:
! | Neo-Nazi.” (Profession: Neo-Nazi.)
!
! Of particular interest to me is video #11:
!
! | 11. Ernst Zundel interviews Gary Botting about “Culture Myth” and the
! | Holocaust. Here is a wide-ranging interview with Zundel witness, Dr.
! | Gary Botting, literature professor and now lawyer, about his run-in with
! | authorities for trying to teach two sides of the Holocaust. Dr.
! | Botting’s father lies buried at Bergen-Belsen. A terrific tape!
!
! I believe Mr. Botting is suing Mr. Zundel for fraud and defamation in the
! marketing of this tape. See:
!
! ftp://www.nizkor.eye.net/pub/nizkor/people/b/botting.gary/
!
! Here’s his letter:
!
! [Botting letterhead]
!
! 19 April 1996
!
! Mr. Douglas Christie
! 810 Courtney Street
! Victoria, B.C. V8W 1C4
!
! Dear Sir:
!
!
! Re: Ernst Zundel, Samisdat, “Friends of Freedom” and
! —————————————————-
! The Canadian Free Speech League
! ——————————-
!
! It has become increasingly clear in the past few years that
! Ernst Zundel’s Samisdat and your own Canadian Free Speech
! League are merely fronts for an antisemitic, pro-Nazi agenda.
! I have little doubt, in retrospect, that this has always been
! the case.
!
! In 1985, on your urging, I testified as an expert witness at
! the trial of Ernst Zundel. At the time, Ernst Zundel was
! presented as a publisher who was being censured and censored
! for merely publishing a Canadian edition of someone else’s
! book, a book that had been successfully published in England
! and America already.
!
! As an author, professor and publisher, and as founding
! president of the Alberta Publishers Association, I was very
! concerned about censorship of this kind. As a former
! journalist and Jehovah’s Witness, I was particularly concerned
! about the section of the Criminal Code under which Zundel had
! been charged: “Spreading false news”, since “news” by
! definition is current, and the law had been used,
! inappropriately, as a second line of attack in the infamous
! Jehovah’s Witness sedition cases of the 1940’s and 50’s (see
! R. v. Carrier (1951), 104 C.C.C. 75).
!
! After I testified, Ernst Zundel taped me talking about
! “culture myth” and censorship. At the time of the taping, I
! had no idea that Mr. Zundel would use these tapes in an
! attempt to lend credibility to his anti-Semitic, pro-Nazi
! agenda.
!
! His promotion of the interview under the rubric and logo of
! Samisdat amounts to misrepresentation, and infringes on my
! copyright. I therefore demand that Ernst Zundel and his
! organization immediately cease and desist distributing the
! tapes and promoting them on the Internet and elsewhere.
! Failure to do so will lead to litigation in the Federal Court
! of Canada.
!
! Sincerely,
! /signature
! Gary Botting, Barrister
!
! -rich
! http://www.c2.org/~rich/
From [email protected] Wed Jul 3 11:08:02 PDT 1996
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In <[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
! Voting should be an EXERCISE of Sovereignty
! Not a SURRENDER of Sovereignty!
!
!
! If you really want White Power, then you should stop surrendering
! your sovereign civil powers at the Polls and demand instead a Citizen’s
! Proxy Vote In Congress, where it counts.
! By dropping a signed ballot in a Polling box, you are NOT “voting”.
! Rather you are voluntarily performing the Formal Legal Public Act of
! SURRENDERING YOUR SOVEREIGNTY to poll organizers!!
!
! Is that what you really intend to do???
!
! If not, and you really want White Power, then White people must
! begin acting like adult Sovereign Citizens and stop surrendering their
! sovereignty at the Polls. Instead they should and begin demanding
! Citizen Proxy Votes in Congress and in each state and local legislature,
! where a vote cast is an act of true Voting.
! This allotment of Citizen’s Proxy Votes among sovereign citizens
! can be readily achieved by persuading your Congressmen and state
! legislators to modify their archaic voting practices to substitute their
! one Personal Nobleman’s Vote with a number of votes equal to the number
! of sovereign voters they represent.
! The simple reform would require no constitutional amendments, no
! legislation, no lawyer opinions, and no court approval, and no long
! waiting period. No political change is involved since legislators would
! remain professionals who could cast their block of votes any way they so
! desired. The only difference would be that they COULD accurately
! represent their sovereign electors whenever they so desired.
! Best of all, this simple reform could be promptly instituted next
! week after one voice vote. This could occur not only in the national
! Congress but simultaneously in each and every state and local
! legislature. And not only in America, but in Canada, Europe, Australia,
! New Zealand, South Africa, Israel, and every other nation were
! Proportional Representation is being promoted by the Green Party and its
! sympathizers.
!
! This change in the internal legislative voting procedures should be
! welcomed by everyone: by voters and congressmen; by ruling class
! progressives who want the power, benefits, and prestige of leading
! mature Citizens into an advanced modern age; and of course, by the Green
! Party and other supporters of Proportional Representation who seek voter
! enfranchisement worldwide.
!
! Voter Support
!
! Voters should support Voter Proxy Votes in Congress for obvious
! reasons: they would suddenly be enfranchised to vote on all those issues
! which so intimately affect their lives, fortunes, honor, morals, and the
! future of their families and humanity worldwide. They should all be
! quite ready to trade in that silly little throwaway vote at a Popularity
! Polls for one good, solid, lifelong, powerful, daily Proxy Vote in their
! nation’s legislatures.
! With a Proxy Vote available to them to decide the acceptance or
! rejection of major issues, voters would feel more socially responsible
! and inclined to study basic issues more thoroughly. However, if they
! did not want to do so, they can remain politically inert and leave all
! decisions to whatever legislator was assigned to cast their proxy votes
! for them. They could complete a one-time general questionnaire on their
! political interests, then sit back and relax and enjoy television with
! their families, confident that their legislators were casting their
! proxy votes the way they wanted.
! Of course, on those special issues which caught their attention,
! they could express a definite opinion. Like the time when Amerca’s
! military were dropping bombs on Southeast Asia for thirty years without
! being at war with anybody. Or today when their Congressmen vote to
! award Fed bankers a scandalously monstrous 6% annual royalty simply for
! the use of their logo on every circulating dollar. Or tomorrow when
! some special-interest group wants them to …. You get the point.
!
! Legislator Support
!
! Congressmen also should favor Citizen Proxy Votes In Congress for
! several good reasons.
! (1) ACCURATE REPRESENTATION. For the first time, conscientious
! legislators would be able to represent accurately all of their
! constituents on All issues according to their general instructions.
! Under the current archaic voting system, with only one indivisible
! vote to cast, accurate representation of many thousands of different
! sovereign voters is, quite literally, a mathematical impossibility.
! (2) VOTER LOYALTY. Legislators could maintain elector support
! until the next election when they could expect to be reelected with
! minimal campaigning. Through good service, legislators could assure
! themselves of lifelong careers as Professional Representatives. Those
! with exceptional skills could even establish an enduring political
! dynasty through trained successors. This assurance should be especially
! appealing to those incumbent legislators who are doubtful of their
! chances of re-election.
! Under the traditional one-legislator / one-vote voting system,
! after a few critical votes, legislators can, quite innocently, alienate
! ALL of their electors, and in the next election find themselves voted
! out of office – often to be replaced by inferiors.
! (3) COMPATIBLE CONSTITUENTS. Legislators can agree to reassign
! constituents among themselves so that all electors can be represented by
! legislators with similar political philosophies regardless of where they
! maintained a residence. This would render their jobs much more
! pleasant, productive, effective, and efficient. This internal
! realignment of voters with compatible legislators would please both
! voters and legislators.
! Under the current inflexible system of Indiscriminate Bulk District
! Representation, legislators must associate with political opponents
! while pretending unconvincingly to represent them.
! (4) INCREASED CIVILIAN POWER. In addition to whatever Political
! Power they currently derive from the soldiers and tax collectors of the
! Executive Branch, Congressmen would wield an even greater Civilian Power
! derived from their millions of newly organized electors. They could use
! this Civilian Power to achieve all those desirable social, economic, and
! civic objectives which they can envision but which are far beyond their
! current limited power to realize. Their situation would overnight
! change from one of Perpetual Frustrated Impotence to one of Powerful
! Affluence.
! They could then exercise this civilian power to counter the
! willfulness of the Executive Branch and hold them accountable for all
! their actions. Sovereign Electors would stand squarely behind their
! compatible legislators to aid them in their common goals, effectively
! countering the government’s Power Of The Sword with their newly acquired
! absolute Power Of The Purse. Through this voter support, the
! Legislative Branch could establish their independence from the Executive
! Branch and cease acting as a rubber-stamp for the military.
! Under the chaotic circumstances caused by traditional legislative
! voting practices, no worthwhile civic, economic, or political objectives
! can be achieved. The glaring social stagnation of the last 2200 years
! is due in part to this ancient political custom which lumps incompatible
! defranchised voters under incompatible legislators with only one vote to
! represent them all.
! (5) CIVILIZATION and CITIZENS. Congressmen would enjoy leading
! their country into an advanced modern era of Civilization while
! contributing to the maturation of ordinary voters into Sovereign
! Citizens. Dealing with maturely organized Sovereign Citizens is much
! more pleasant than dealing with disorganized mobs of apathetic
! defranchised Subjects who must continually be herded about by the troops
! of the Executive branch.
!
! The above presents a good case for supporting Voter Proxy Votes In
! Congress rather than Proportional Representation in the Surrender Of
! Sovereignty Popularity Polls.
! I can see little substantial opposition. Surely 50,000,000
! American voters would have little difficulty persuading 300 Congressmen
! and a few thousand state legislators to change an old frontier voting
! custom, especially when legislators should favor the change themselves.
! A few voter letters and petitions may be all that they need to persuade
! them to institute the change in their next legislative session.
! Of course, some people like the thought that the current
! legislative practice is a vestige of medieval English Nobility voting
! practices, and that this has its roots in Ancient Roman Senatorial
! voting practices. The only objection I expect then is that this
! proposal is non-traditional.
! I will leave to readers to decide whether this objection is worthy
! of consideration by a modern people.
!
!
! [email protected]
!
!
!
! “All that Evil needs to succeed is for Good people to do nothing”.
!
!
!
!
!
Fuck
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In <[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
! Voting should be an EXERCISE of Sovereignty
! Not a SURRENDER of Sovereignty!
!
!
! If you really want White Power, then you should stop surrendering
! your sovereign civil powers at the Polls and demand instead a Citizen’s
! Proxy Vote In Congress, where it counts.
! By dropping a signed ballot in a Polling box, you are NOT “voting”.
! Rather you are voluntarily performing the Formal Legal Public Act of
! SURRENDERING YOUR SOVEREIGNTY to poll organizers!!
!
! Is that what you really intend to do???
!
! If not, and you really want White Power, then White people must
! begin acting like adult Sovereign Citizens and stop surrendering their
! sovereignty at the Polls. Instead they should and begin demanding
! Citizen Proxy Votes in Congress and in each state and local legislature,
! where a vote cast is an act of true Voting.
! This allotment of Citizen’s Proxy Votes among sovereign citizens
! can be readily achieved by persuading your Congressmen and state
! legislators to modify their archaic voting practices to substitute their
! one Personal Nobleman’s Vote with a number of votes equal to the number
! of sovereign voters they represent.
! The simple reform would require no constitutional amendments, no
! legislation, no lawyer opinions, and no court approval, and no long
! waiting period. No political change is involved since legislators would
! remain professionals who could cast their block of votes any way they so
! desired. The only difference would be that they COULD accurately
! represent their sovereign electors whenever they so desired.
! Best of all, this simple reform could be promptly instituted next
! week after one voice vote. This could occur not only in the national
! Congress but simultaneously in each and every state and local
! legislature. And not only in America, but in Canada, Europe, Australia,
! New Zealand, South Africa, Israel, and every other nation were
! Proportional Representation is being promoted by the Green Party and its
! sympathizers.
!
! This change in the internal legislative voting procedures should be
! welcomed by everyone: by voters and congressmen; by ruling class
! progressives who want the power, benefits, and prestige of leading
! mature Citizens into an advanced modern age; and of course, by the Green
! Party and other supporters of Proportional Representation who seek voter
! enfranchisement worldwide.
!
! Voter Support
!
! Voters should support Voter Proxy Votes in Congress for obvious
! reasons: they would suddenly be enfranchised to vote on all those issues
! which so intimately affect their lives, fortunes, honor, morals, and the
! future of their families and humanity worldwide. They should all be
! quite ready to trade in that silly little throwaway vote at a Popularity
! Polls for one good, solid, lifelong, powerful, daily Proxy Vote in their
! nation’s legislatures.
! With a Proxy Vote available to them to decide the acceptance or
! rejection of major issues, voters would feel more socially responsible
! and inclined to study basic issues more thoroughly. However, if they
! did not want to do so, they can remain politically inert and leave all
! decisions to whatever legislator was assigned to cast their proxy votes
! for them. They could complete a one-time general questionnaire on their
! political interests, then sit back and relax and enjoy television with
! their families, confident that their legislators were casting their
! proxy votes the way they wanted.
! Of course, on those special issues which caught their attention,
! they could express a definite opinion. Like the time when Amerca’s
! military were dropping bombs on Southeast Asia for thirty years without
! being at war with anybody. Or today when their Congressmen vote to
! award Fed bankers a scandalously monstrous 6% annual royalty simply for
! the use of their logo on every circulating dollar. Or tomorrow when
! some special-interest group wants them to …. You get the point.
!
! Legislator Support
!
! Congressmen also should favor Citizen Proxy Votes In Congress for
! several good reasons.
! (1) ACCURATE REPRESENTATION. For the first time, conscientious
! legislators would be able to represent accurately all of their
! constituents on All issues according to their general instructions.
! Under the current archaic voting system, with only one indivisible
! vote to cast, accurate representation of many thousands of different
! sovereign voters is, quite literally, a mathematical impossibility.
! (2) VOTER LOYALTY. Legislators could maintain elector support
! until the next election when they could expect to be reelected with
! minimal campaigning. Through good service, legislators could assure
! themselves of lifelong careers as Professional Representatives. Those
! with exceptional skills could even establish an enduring political
! dynasty through trained successors. This assurance should be especially
! appealing to those incumbent legislators who are doubtful of their
! chances of re-election.
! Under the traditional one-legislator / one-vote voting system,
! after a few critical votes, legislators can, quite innocently, alienate
! ALL of their electors, and in the next election find themselves voted
! out of office – often to be replaced by inferiors.
! (3) COMPATIBLE CONSTITUENTS. Legislators can agree to reassign
! constituents among themselves so that all electors can be represented by
! legislators with similar political philosophies regardless of where they
! maintained a residence. This would render their jobs much more
! pleasant, productive, effective, and efficient. This internal
! realignment of voters with compatible legislators would please both
! voters and legislators.
! Under the current inflexible system of Indiscriminate Bulk District
! Representation, legislators must associate with political opponents
! while pretending unconvincingly to represent them.
! (4) INCREASED CIVILIAN POWER. In addition to whatever Political
! Power they currently derive from the soldiers and tax collectors of the
! Executive Branch, Congressmen would wield an even greater Civilian Power
! derived from their millions of newly organized electors. They could use
! this Civilian Power to achieve all those desirable social, economic, and
! civic objectives which they can envision but which are far beyond their
! current limited power to realize. Their situation would overnight
! change from one of Perpetual Frustrated Impotence to one of Powerful
! Affluence.
! They could then exercise this civilian power to counter the
! willfulness of the Executive Branch and hold them accountable for all
! their actions. Sovereign Electors would stand squarely behind their
! compatible legislators to aid them in their common goals, effectively
! countering the government’s Power Of The Sword with their newly acquired
! absolute Power Of The Purse. Through this voter support, the
! Legislative Branch could establish their independence from the Executive
! Branch and cease acting as a rubber-stamp for the military.
! Under the chaotic circumstances caused by traditional legislative
! voting practices, no worthwhile civic, economic, or political objectives
! can be achieved. The glaring social stagnation of the last 2200 years
! is due in part to this ancient political custom which lumps incompatible
! defranchised voters under incompatible legislators with only one vote to
! represent them all.
! (5) CIVILIZATION and CITIZENS. Congressmen would enjoy leading
! their country into an advanced modern era of Civilization while
! contributing to the maturation of ordinary voters into Sovereign
! Citizens. Dealing with maturely organized Sovereign Citizens is much
! more pleasant than dealing with disorganized mobs of apathetic
! defranchised Subjects who must continually be herded about by the troops
! of the Executive branch.
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! The above presents a good case for supporting Voter Proxy Votes In
! Congress rather than Proportional Representation in the Surrender Of
! Sovereignty Popularity Polls.
! I can see little substantial opposition. Surely 50,000,000
! American voters would have little difficulty persuading 300 Congressmen
! and a few thousand state legislators to change an old frontier voting
! custom, especially when legislators should favor the change themselves.
! A few voter letters and petitions may be all that they need to persuade
! them to institute the change in their next legislative session.
! Of course, some people like the thought that the current
! legislative practice is a vestige of medieval English Nobility voting
! practices, and that this has its roots in Ancient Roman Senatorial
! voting practices. The only objection I expect then is that this
! proposal is non-traditional.
! I will leave to readers to decide whether this objection is worthy
! of consideration by a modern people.
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! “All that Evil needs to succeed is for Good people to do nothing”.
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