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Another JEW Rabbi in NY state has been caught dealing drugs – this
time inside a prison!!!

Rabbi Eli Gottesman,a chaplain at a federal medium security prison at
Ray Brook, NY got caught with a large bottle filled with sealed
balloons of cocaine and marijuana.

He is a former head of the “who’s Who in canadian Jewry”, and has been
a chaplain of the year named by the NY Board of rabbis.

On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:52:54 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>It seems that JEWS are not satisfied with having murdered Jesus
>Christ.

>Now some of them are involved, even from synagogues, in the DRUGS
>business.
>On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:10:26 -0800, in alt.revisionism
>[email protected] (Michael A. Hoffman II) wrote:

>>Michael A. Hoffman II comments: Why didn’t these two Orthodox Hasidic
>>(Bobover sect) rabbis enjoy the usual rabbinic immunity from arrest for
>>their crimes? Could it be that their mantle of protection was removed by
>>the more powerful Reform and Conservative Jews in America with whom they
>>are at war in occupied Palestine over issues pertaining to modernity and
>>conversion? Is this a warning to the Orthodox to back off from their
>>assaults on Reform and Orthodox Jews? For more go to:
>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
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2 Rabbis Charged With Money Laundering

By ROBERT D. McFADDEN NY Times June 17, 1997

NEW YORK — A dozen men, including two identified as Orthodox Jewish
rabbis, were charged by federal authorities Monday with conspiring to
launder and hide $1.75 million in drug profits for Colombian
narcotics dealers by routing the cash through the bank accounts of a
synagogue and a yeshiva in Brooklyn.

The bizarre case, federal prosecutors in Brooklyn said, brought
together a collection of strange bedfellows — five New York
representatives of Colombian drug traffickers, three go-betweens who
purportedly transported cash in suitcase quantities, and four men with
ties to a close-knit Jewish community.

At one point, the officials charged, the rabbis ran tens of millions
of dollars in drug profits through the bank accounts of a relatively
modest Borough Park synagogue and provided nearly $3.5 million from
American and Swiss accounts for the purchase of an aircraft for the
Colombian drug lords.

“Money launderers are the indispensable partners of major drug
traffickers, and the cynical act of using religious institutions to
conceal drug proceeds is particularly reprehensible,” said Zachary
Carter, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of New York, in
announcing the charges.

Seven defendants, including Rabbi Mahir Reiss, 47, of 3543 Bedford
Ave., and Rabbi Bernard Grunfeld, 64, of 1417 46th St., both in
Brooklyn, were arrested Monday and were arraigned late in the day
before U.S. Magistrate Judge Roanne L. Mann, charged with conspiracy
to launder money. Two suspects, Grunfeld and Israel Knobloch, 24, of
5200 15th Ave., Brooklyn, also were charged with conspiring to avoid
federal cash-transaction reporting requirements.

Six defendants were held without bail, and one, Abraham Reiss, 48, of
320 Riverside Drive in Manhattan, a brother of Mahir Reiss, was
released on $750,000 bail. Three other men named in the federal
complaint were listed as fugitives, and two more were being held in
custody elsewhere in New York in other cases, according to Lee Dunst,
the assistant federal attorney prosecuting the case.

Unveiling a three-year undercover investigation that used
court-authorize wiretaps and other surveillance, the federal complaint
charged that the two rabbis and Abraham Reiss laundered $750,000 by
taking cash from go-betweens, depositing it in the bank accounts of a
synagogue-based organization and, after subtracting commissions,
writing checks to drug traffickers.

Investigators said the bank accounts used in the scheme, held in the
name of Chaim Shel Shulem, which shares quarters with Congregation
Eitz Chaim at 1577 48th St. in Borough Park, held deposits of more
than $19 million during the 10-month period when the laundering
transactions occurred, between August 1995 and May 1996.

Grunfeld, listed as the president of Chaim Shel Shulem, was said to
have written all the checks that went to the drug traffickers. He and
Knobloch were also accused of concealing the movement of $1 million in
drug money by making 95 deposits and withdrawals of just under $10,000
— the amount that triggers a government cash-transaction reporting
requirement — through the bank accounts of Congregation Eitz Chaim
and Bobover Yeshiva, at the same location.

The defendants made no statements in court Monday. While Grunfeld was
listed by prosecutors as the head of Chaim Shel Shulem, dozens of
people at Congregation Eitz Chaim late Monday declined to say anything
about him or the case. Some seemed not to recognize the name Chaim
Shel Shulem.

The synagogue and yeshiva are in a five-story building with a brick
front and a small awning imprinted with the institution’s name in
Hebrew. The only words in English on the facade call it “the Katz
Family of Mexico Building.”

In a ground-floor, two-room school lined with books, about 100 people
were studying at tables. A man who appeared to be in charge, but who
would not give his name, said he knew nothing about the two rabbis
named in the federal complaint.

The federal investigation — an undertaking of the U.S. Attorney’s
Office, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Internal Revenue Service
— began in 1994, when agents detected a pattern of cash deposits and
withdrawals intended to circumvent the government’s reporting rules in
various bank accounts held in the name of the synagogue and yeshiva,
officials said.

With court-authorized telephone wiretaps, surveillance and other
techniques, the investigators said they uncovered a conspiracy in
which Grunfeld and Knobloch eventually made more than $1 million in
deposits and withdrawals — transactions, they said, that let the
conspirators move large sums of illicit drug profits.

Later, in 1995 and 1996, investigators said, the 12 men named in
Monday’s complaint conducted a full money-laundering operation. Five
of them — Lisandro Montes De Oca, 29; Francisco Gil, 30; Estenio
Rodriguez, 30; Juan Suarez, 39, and Alvaro Duque, 36 –were said to
have brought in large sums that Colombian drug dealers wanted to
launder.

The money was given to three men described as intermediaries — Jack
Pinski, 35, a Colombian who is a fugitive, and Roberto Buendia, 40,
and Fabio Arana, both of Medford, N.Y. They were said to have counted
and stashed the money at an apartment at 243 West 75th St.

There, prosecutors said, Abraham Reiss picked up the money. It was
later deposited in various accounts held in the name of Chaim Shel
Shulem.

Grunfeld, the organization’s president, signed checks that were made
out to “entities in accordance with drug traffickers’ instructions,”
the federal complaint said.

Those instructions were communicated through Rabbi Reiss, who had no
formal connections to Chaim Shel Shulem, investigators said.
Commissions of 13 percent to 15 percent were deducted from the
laundered money and divided among the intermediaries.

Prosecutors said they did not know how members of a deeply religious
community came into contact with professional money launderers and
drug traffickers. But they charged that in 1994, Rabbis Reiss and
Grunfeld, and Abraham Reiss arranged $3.4 million in financing to buy
a Beech Super King aircraft, a type commonly used by drug smugglers.
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On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:31:48 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:

>============
>Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>occupation of Poland. The only reason for this question at this time
>seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered. Provacatively, Dr.
>Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>after the war? Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>
>Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres.
>Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk). He admitted
>that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem. However,
>young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>presently in Lithuania.
>
>But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>occupation was dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei.
>They were ususally not armed, and when armed never given more than five
>bullets for their long rifles. Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>(as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>the genocide.
>
>On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>service was completely voluntary. It was called Ordnungdienst. Their
>emblem was a light alloy Star of David. The social background of these
>Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>post-graduate degrees, 60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>education. These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>
>But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>of his book. In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>closed.
>
>While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>
>Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>Lodz. German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>Wisenthal Museum in LA. Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>
>————-
>Jozef Pawlikowski
>
>We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki. We found
>ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>dozens of other places. Why you shrink from searching for your
>ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>
>————
>
>
>Julian Ilicki wrote:
>>
>> W ostatnim czasie poruszalo sie tutaj nieco sprawe granatowej policji.
>> Czy ktos wie jak odbywala sie rekrutacja do tej policji? Czy byla to po
>> prostu policja przedwojenna ktora pod innym dowodztwem i w innych mundurach
>> kontynuowala swoja dzialalnosc z okresu przedwojennego? A jezeli tak, to
>> czy przedwojenni policjanci byli zmuszeni do pozostawania w szeregach
>> granatowej policji (i jakimi sankcjami sie to wymuszalo), cz mogli moze
>> policje opuscic po kampanii wrzesniowej? Czy odbywala sie rekrutacja nowych
>> policjantow podczas okupacji i w jaki sposob? Co sie z tymi ludzmi stalo po
>> wojnie? I skad sie bierze nazwa “granatowa policja” – czy od kolorow
>> mundurow?
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Julian Ilicki, Ph.D. e-mail: [email protected]
>> Uppsala Univ., Dept. of Sociology, Box 821, S-751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
>> voice, office: +46 – 18 4711513 voice, private: +46 – 18 204747
>> fax, Dept.: +46 – 18 4711170 cellular: +46 – 70 7533731
>> http://www.soc.uu.se/staff/julian_i.html
>> http://www.soc.uu.se/~julian/
>Julian Ilicki wrote:
>>
>> W ostatnim czasie poruszalo sie tutaj nieco sprawe granatowej policji.
>> Czy ktos wie jak odbywala sie rekrutacja do tej policji? Czy byla to po
>> prostu policja przedwojenna ktora pod innym dowodztwem i w innych mundurach
>> kontynuowala swoja dzialalnosc z okresu przedwojennego? A jezeli tak, to
>> czy przedwojenni policjanci byli zmuszeni do pozostawania w szeregach
>> granatowej policji (i jakimi sankcjami sie to wymuszalo), czy mogli moze
>> policje opuscic po kampanii wrzesniowej? Czy odbywala sie rekrutacja nowych
>> policjantow podczas okupacji i w jaki sposob? Co sie z tymi ludzmi stalo po
>> wojnie? I skad sie bierze nazwa “granatowa policja” – czy od kolorow
>> mundurow?
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Julian Ilicki, Ph.D. e-mail: [email protected]
>> Uppsala Univ., Dept. of Sociology, Box 821, S-751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
>> voice, office: +46 – 18 4711513 voice, private: +46 – 18 204747
>> fax, Dept.: +46 – 18 4711170 cellular: +46 – 70 7533731
>> http://www.soc.uu.se/staff/julian_i.html
>> http://www.soc.uu.se/~julian/

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On Sun, 06 Sep 1998 06:28:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:53:37 GMT, NSWPP wrote:

>>LARGEST Social Security Fraud in London’s History

>>DAILY MAIL
>>Monday June 15 1998
>>By DAVID WILLIAMS and PETER ALLEN

>>Revealed: The men accused in
>>31.8 million State Benefit Racket

>>THESE are the men being investigated by fraud-busters
>>over an alleged 1.8 million benefits racket. The case was
>>highlighted last month by Welfare Reform Minister Frank
>>Field as part of a crack-down launched by Labour aimed at
>>slashing the £36 billion annual cost of welfare fraud.

>>At the time, no one was named. But the Daily Mail has
>>since tracked down the men at the heart of one of the biggest
>>ever alleged welfare frauds.

>>They are Soloman Kritzler, 39, and Alexander Eichenstein, 38,
>>who are suspected of masterminding the racket from their
>>sprawling homes in a North London suburb.

>>Detectives have questioned the men and four other members of
>>what Mr Field described as ‘an extended family’ about
>>allegations of illegally claiming up to £3,600,000 in housing
>>benefit and income support. They have also been quizzed
>>by officers from a special undercover task force set up by
>>the Department of Social Security (DSS) about a mortgage
>>fraud worth £31.2 million.

>>The investigators are said to be checking on any links with
>>massive welfare rackets in the United States, where members
>>of the family, it has been reported, are alleged to have used
>>fake identities to make bogus benefit claims.

>>Both men hold trusted positions at the centre of the
>>ultra-Orthodox community of Hasidic Jews in Stamford Hill,
>>North London, where details of the unprecedented investigation
>>has caused consider-able anger.

>>At the home he shares with his wife Esther and their daughter,
>>Kritzler protested his innocence and said he would fight
>>to clear his name.

>>’This investigation is without foundation and is a complete
>>waste of taxpayers’ money,’ he insisted. ‘All of our finances
>>are in good order. There has been no fraud.

>>’It may well be that we are the victims of anti-semitism.
>>This seems to be an attack on the law-abiding, decent
>>community which we have here. We just want to be able to
>>get on with our lives in peace.

>>’When we were arrested, a very sick woman was put in a
>>police cell for a night. She was terribly distressed.
>>This should not have been allowed to happen.’

>>Eichenstein was less forthcoming and when approached
>>at his family home, his wife Rivka said: ‘He has no
>>comment to make.’ Eichenstein lists his official home
>>as a rundown flat some three streets from the spacious home
>>where his wife and children live.

>>Partners at the North London chartered accountancy firm
>>which acts as the registered office for the majority of
>>the men’s companies con-firmed that they had been contacted
>>by detectives, and that fraud experts were preparing
>>to examine their records.

>>Fraud investigators are focusing their inquiries on a
>>network of companies and properties associated
>>with the family.

>>All of the properties linked to Kritzler and Eichenstein
>>are within a stone’s throw of each other on the Stamford
>>Hill/Stoke Newington borders. One firm, Acemark Properties
>>Ltd. is listed at Eichenstein’s home.

>>Kritzler has been director of London-based Empire properties
>>since January and Amvex Investments since 1992.

>>The streets of Stamford Hill are an unlikely setting for a
>>major investigation of this kind. The area enjoys a feeling
>>of neighbourly trust long lost in the crime-ridden districts nearby.

>>Police activity is all but non-existent – patrol cars are
>>already overstretched by the criminal activity related
>>to the numerous drug dealers and prostitutes in the
>>southern sector of the Stoke Newington police beat.

>>Both men, together with three women and another man to
>>whom they are related are currently on bail and have to
>>return to Stoke Newington police station at the
>>end of this month.

>>The arrest of the suspects -following simultaneous raids
>>on four houses in April – is seen by Mr Field as the first
>>of a series of high profile swoops by the new DSS team.

>>Ministers have decided that they want to ‘name and shame’
>>convicted benefit cheats in an attempt to foster a
>>’revival of common decencies’.

>>The pilot DSS task force was set up to target organised
>>housing benefit rackets in London – an initiative which
>>the Government now plans to extend right across the country.

>>The team discovered that professional crooks were exploiting
>>loopholes in welfare security to set up fictitious
>>identities and make bogus claims for a wide range of
>>benefit allowances in various parts of London and
>>other cities in Britain.

>>Mr Field is determined to crack down on an area of crime
>>bleeding tens of millions of pounds each week.

>>The Minister said: ‘We are going for the big boys, while
>>at the same time recognising that we have to bring in much
>>tighter controls on what is the single biggest budget in
>>Britain today.’

>>He has admitted that the annual benefits bill of nearly £31
>>billion remains wide open to fraud and corruption despite
>>repeated attempts by Whitehall to crack down on the swindlers.

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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:38:00 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>Came across the article in deja News, so thought it should be
>reconsidered by thinking readers.
>
>
>On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:50:37 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>
>>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism – Don’t Deny It
>>From: [email protected] (Roger Hughes)
>>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation
>
>
>>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
>
>> One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called “Russian
>>Revolution” of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>>them, continue to condemn anyone as “anti-Semitic” who brings up these
>>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>>and lead revolutionary movement.
>
>> First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx,
>>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father’s side.
>>Whether he was a “religous” Jew is of no significant importance, since
>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
>
>> While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will
>>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let’s see the them deny the
>>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that
>>passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
>>during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
>>quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
>>Archives:
>
>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>>general in Moscow, Summers: “Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
>>anti-Jewish feeling growing among population….”
>
>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
>>5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: “Fifty percent of Soviet government in
>>each town consists of Jews of the worst type.”
>
>>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>>Montgomey Shuyler: “It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it’s
>>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type.”
>
>
>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports
>>on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: “…(T)here were 384
>>`commissars’ including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
>>Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to
>>Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
>>Government.”
>
>>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>>Bolshevik party’s executive secretary and – as chairman of the Central
>>Executive Committee – head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign
>>affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and
>>Moisei Uritsky.
>
>>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: “The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little
>>for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
>>trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”
>
>>The Netherlands’ ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>>”Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things.”
>
>>In case anyone thinks I’ve taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>>here’s three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda
>>Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
>>United States Senate, 65th Congress:
>
>>”We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side
>>of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
>>Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that
>>there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
>>showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these
>>men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in
>>this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
>>more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
>>Jews…I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one
>>of its bases is found in the east side of New York…The latest
>>startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
>>startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the northern
>>community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
>>regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
>>out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
>>exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
>>Gordon.
>
>>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on
>>the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
>>often remarked to my sister, ‘Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
>>all looks so Yiddish.’ Up to that time we had see very few Jews, because
>>there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in Petrograd,
>>but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the agitators
>>were Jews.
>
>>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that
>>was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
>>did not take kindly to it.”
>
>>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>>”anti-Semitic” and therefore unreliable, but they’d be wrong. Here’s a
>>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>
>>”The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>>physical forces, become a reality all over the world.” (The American
>>Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
>
>>”There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>>many of the highest ideals of Judaism.” (Jewish Chronicle, London April,
>>4, 1919)
>
>>”Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism.” (The American Bulletin, Rabbi
>>S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>
>>”In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>>the total population.” (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
>
>>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>>so-called “anti-Semitism” a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>>himself:
>
>>”National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
>>characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
>>extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>cannibalism…under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
>>penalty.” (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>
>>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>>virtually untouched.
>
>>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920’s in one of the most vile
>>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, “Jews made up nearly 80 percent
>>of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,” reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
>>American professor of Russian history. . . ”
>
>>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were
>>murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
>>directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
>>Communist bosses.
>
>>Regards,
>>Roger Hughes
>
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>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:16:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:42:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>gangster!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin’s participation in war crimes
>>>
>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>
>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>not been used yet.
>>>
>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook “to
>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.” A Signatory may
>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>
>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world’s
>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States’ legal obligations to do so.
>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>
>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>
>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>1977, as ‘grave breaches’, the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>prosecute.
>>>
>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>
>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>
>>>”1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately.” The order was signed “Yitzhak
>>>R[abin].”
>>>
>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>”The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949″ by Israeli
>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo’s book “The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland”, Quartet Books,
>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>
>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin’s implication in
>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin’s orders. As a prelude to
>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile’. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>planned ‘transfer’ policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>master plan of “ethnical cleansing”.
>>>
>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>
>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as ‘war crimes’.
>>>
>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>> of their Inhabitants
>>>
>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>
>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>
>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>prohibit “at any time and in any place whatsoever….collective
>>>punishments”. It seems that the destruction of these villages – every
>>>single house in them – constitutes ‘collective punishment’ within the
>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>
>>> 3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>> Youngsters
>>>
>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by “force, might,
>>>beatings”. More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>
>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>these practices (i.e. Ha’aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin’s role in these
>>>policies.
>>>
>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) “inhuman treatment….wilfully
>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health”. Protocol I
>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>the acts which remain “prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:”: “Violence to
>>>the….physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular….(iii)
>>>corporal punishment.”
>>>
>>> 4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>> Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>
>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin’s war:
>>>”Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>southern Lebanon. (…) Rabin’s War – Operation Accountability – has killed
>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>Beirut. (…) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(…) About
>>>80 villages have been hit.”. According to the London-based Middle East
>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the “majority of casualties were
>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>around 100,000.”
>>>
>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was “expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon ‘uninhabitable’ and to create a
>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel’s will (…)”
>>>
>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), “some 400,000
>>>people – mainly Shi’ite Muslims – fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves”.
>>>
>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>specifies as a ‘grave breach’ (war crime) “making the civilian population
>>>or individual civilians the object of attack” as well as “launching an
>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects”. Further details are provided
>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a ‘grave breach’ of international
>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>
>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>
>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>
>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>their country’s sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>
>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>
>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>of hostilities.
>>>
>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>
>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>
>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>
>>>Mr. Rabin’s Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>
>>>As to Mr. Rabin’s personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>and 1967).
>>>
>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>”to break the bones” of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by “force, might, beatings” and
>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>
>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel’s Prime
>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin’s primary responsibility for this act.
>>>
>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>
>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>described as ‘war crimes’ as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>view, only the most outrageous types of ‘war crimes’, as committed in World
>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>Conventions.
>>>
>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>the “deportation … for any … purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>occupied territory” as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>”deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>population….when such acts are done….in connection with any crime
>>>against peace or any war crime”, as Crime against Humanity.
>>>
>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>process of law to determine a defendant’s culpability and punishment). The
>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes ‘corporal punishment’, although not as
>>>a ‘grave breach’. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>
>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the ‘grave
>>>breaches’ (war crimes), if such attacks were committed “wilfully, in
>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>serious injury to body or health”.
>>>
>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>
>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>then, state:
>>>
>>>”The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law”
>>>(Principle III. “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him”.
>>>(Principle IV).
>>>
>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>such reservations.
>>>
>>>Conclusion
>>>
>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>short legal discussion.
>>>
>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived – legally – by
>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today’s world, it
>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>circumstances.
>>>
>>>Human rights’ and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin’s
>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>found.
>>
>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser

From [email protected] Sat Oct 17 19:14:01 EDT 1998
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With all the extortion by the cursed JEWS on the Swiss government,
Swiss banks and the like, surely you should know the kind of garbage
people you must deal with???

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:37:29 -0400, “Roger W. Suhr (Mobile)”
wrote:

>Excuse me:
>
>What do your comments have to do with soc.culture.swiss.
>Please explain.
>
>Thank you
>Roger W. Suhr
>[email protected]
>
>
>
>[email protected] wrote in message
><[email protected]>…
>>Another JEW Rabbi in NY state has been caught dealing drugs – this
>>time inside a prison!!!
>>
>>Rabbi Eli Gottesman,a chaplain at a federal medium security prison at
>>Ray Brook, NY got caught with a large bottle filled with sealed
>>balloons of cocaine and marijuana.
>>
>>He is a former head of the “who’s Who in canadian Jewry”, and has been
>>a chaplain of the year named by the NY Board of rabbis.
>>snip
>

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On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:39:09, The Rottnest Quokka
wanted to write:

On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:59:56 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>Since some of the undesirable Jews in Australia have published their
>Libelers List of people they consider undesirable, for supporting ON,
>perhaps ON should do similar??
>
>Surely the angry citizens of Australia can readily prepare their own
>list of undesirable Jews, including such Illuminati as the notorious
>Rappaport, and others of his ilk?? What about drug dealers, white
>collar criminals, and similar criminals?
>
>After all these thousands of years, why would the admittedly
>genetically inbred creatures (according to their own recent
>pronouncements regarding DNA proof for jewishness) want to so
>antagonise a generous host country like Australia?
>
>Is there not enough resentment against the people responsible for the
>murder of Christ?
>
>Did the more than 100 millions killed in the interests of Jew
>communism in this century alone, not create enough enemies, that they
>want to generate more?
>
>Surely their worldwide attempts at extortion of nations has caused
>more ill-will?? Even the Swiss, who had provided shelter, but required
>that the Jews WORK in the 1940’s are now having extortion demands!!!
>
>Or, is their wish to force the world into another conflagration, so
>that by the Year 2000, their New World Order can take over what
>remains of this world?? They are certainly spreading their tentacles
>in many countries, trying to take control…
>
>>>Mr Leibler: you have chosen to gratuitously & viciously persecute
>>>a defenceless minority of Australians – who are innocent of any
>>>wrong-doing – on purely political grounds; by publishing to the
>>>world, their names & residential suburbs in your magazine.
>
>>>In the interests of “balance”, would you now care to publish to the
>>>world, the names & residential suburbs of those Australian residents
>>>& citizens who are bankrolling the “Genocide” of the Palestinian
>>>Nation; with a higher financial contribution per capita, than any
>>>other members of your diaspora, on the Planet.
>
>>>You say you have a deep & abiding concern for “political
>>>transparency”: lets see you really put your publishing skills
>>>where your mouth is…
>
>>>cheers, PJ
>
>>Better yet, publish a list of all those businesses owned or/and
>>controlled by Jews, in Australia, USA, GB, Germany, France and Russia.
>
>>Let the world see who is really controlling world affairs, even before
>>the year 2000!!!
>
>
>
>
>On Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:12:52 GMT, [email protected] (Harold
>Wood) wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 13:02:46 GMT,
>>[email protected] (David S. Maddison)
>>wrote:
>>Thanks for clarifying where you’re coming from,
>>Harold.
>
>>Have you considered that your estimation here
>>might be incorrect? I estimate that my words
>>probably have given you a false impression
>>however. :-)
>
>>Here is another angle on my ‘yike’.
>
>>The Australia-Israel Review in their attempting to
>>facilitate the vilification (and worse) of ON
>>members by others (a cowardly act) is in fact
>>attempting to protect the ‘nice little earner’
>>which the ethnic industry (a major part of their
>>consituency) has going in Australia. They
>>recognise that ON is a direct and immediate threat
>>to their continuing their enjoyment of the
>>proceeds of the tax heist perpetrated on pre ON
>>hapless political ‘pincer movement’ entrapped
>>middle income earning Australians by Tweedle
>>Dumb(LibNat) and Tweedle Dumber(LabRat)).
>
>>>Ummm… Was it “The Jews” ™ that published the list or was it a
>>>particular individual who happened to be an editor of a
>>>Jewish-interest magazine?
>
>>Some voices among ‘the Jews’ have now been
>>raised against that action of the Australia-Israel
>>Review. The action of those sensible people must
>>surely be generally appreciated by all. A very
>>wise move by those rightly concerned people
>>indeed.
>
>>>Why blame “The Jews” for the misguided actions of a single individual
>>>who I am fairly certain now realises that he made a mistake?
>
>>Consider my approach a ‘media technique’. One I
>>highly disapprove of but acknowledge the efficacy
>>of. (Yes that does mean I now temporarily
>>subscribe to the principle, ‘the end justifies the
>>means’.)
>
>>>With the widespread opposition to One Nation, I’d say it was equally
>>>likely that any other number of other publications might also have
>>>published it,
>
>>They haven’t.
>
>>> or someone may have posted it to the ‘Net.
>
>>Here of course mostly ‘anything goes’. That
>>theory proves nothing for your agument.
>
>>>It was certainly wrong to publish the list, if such information wasn’t
>>>already on the public record in the first place.
>
>>Yes, wrong but now a help to those who they
>>oppose. Quite stupid are they not! :-) I wonder
>>if an IQ test needs to be introduced for all
>>Australian voters?
>
>>> (Is membership of political parties on the public record?)
>
>>No, but you are certainly free to declare one if
>>you please. (I am not currently a member of any
>>party but have belonged in the past to a number.)
>
>>>David Maddison
>
>>Hope that helps. :-)
>
>>Now, here is another aspect of my ‘yike’.
>
>>The arrogance displayed by Australia’s now
>>prolific ‘ursurper classes’ knows no bounds.
>
>>(In the context this time of the arrogance
>>displayed by the Australia-Israel Review.)
>
>> And nor should that come as any surprise to
>>anyone, that for the reason that the criminal
>>’politically correct screeching brigade’ has long
>>intimidated our good, polite, well meaning and
>>well mannered ‘Australian cultured’ citizens, thus
>>effectively preventing them from speaking out
>>loudly enough about their such gross maltreatment.
>
>>The Australia-Israel Review’s stupid move in
>>publishing those names was undoubtedly a
>>reflection of their verging hysterical panic
>>reaction to the realisation that their
>>constituency’s ‘game’ just might be about to be
>>up! Also it likely was a manifestation of their
>>failure to see that it is actually possible,
>>despite their getting away with it for years, for
>>their instinctual arrogance at some time to get
>>them into very deep and dangerous water indeed.
>
>>Harold.
>
>
>
>On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:07:13 +1000, [email protected]>not.awww….
>(Mr.Interesting) wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>[email protected] (Harold Wood) wrote:
>>
>>> JEWISH NAZIS!
>>>
>>> How dare those cynical pernicious professional
>>> peddlers of guilt, those ‘oonga boonga’ mere
>>
>>
>>Shouldn’t that be “Oingo Boingo”?
>>
>>Doesn’t Hebraic tradition have a saying that goes along the lines of
>>”Be careful who you hate, because you’ll end up being just like them”.
>>
>>They’re behaving like Nazi’s in Palestine (let’s call it by it’s real name
>>shall we, that is unless you STILL believe that the bible isn’t one of the
>>most successful pieces of Politico-Religious Propagandistic Re-writes of
>>the Past AND the Future?…).
>>
>>Funny thing is, the ones who are causing all the troubles, ie the
>>Ultra-Orthodox Right wing and Likud parties, apart from being
>>DOLE-BLUDGERS in Israel, are also CONVENIENTLY EXEMPT from military
>>service, or from facing the bullets and bombs, that they demand their
>>fellow secular countrymen face(some of which, by the way, are planted by
>>Orthodox jews, killing ordinary jews, to stir up a bit more hatred).
>>
>>I find it quite strange that the majority of Israeli’s are secular and
>>want peace, but allow themselves to be kept in a state of terror, NOT by
>>Palestinians, but by OTHER JEWS!. WHO DON’T WORK. WHO DON’T HAVE TO DO
>>MILITARY SERVICE. WHO ASSASSINATED THE PRESIDENT who was going to deliver
>>peace.
>>
>>And while we’re here, Don’t the cries of the UNIONISTS in Ireland, that
>>they need protection from CATHOLIC TERRORISM start to sound a bit hollow
>>now? I think nearly every act of terrorism (inc. Murder) since the
>>referendum has been against Catholics.
>>
>>AAhhhhh…….. Religion, even when it’s the SAME GOD, there’s still
>>enough difference to go out and KKKIIILLLLLL SSOMEONE, and feel good about
>>it.
>>
>>The Pope wears Orange stockings and suspenders.

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On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:24:52 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On 21 Apr 1998 14:33:08 GMT, “jjjjjjjjjj” wrote:
>
>>It is a well known fact that at the beginning there were many jewish groups
>>that supported the rise of the Nazis in Germany.
>
>In fact, many JEWS became senior officers in the German Military!!!
>
>
>>This was because the
>>Rabbinical authorities were afraid of Jews who were marrying with Germans
>>and thus diluting the ‘purity’ of the Jewish race. This is a fact that has
>>hardly been touched upon by most Jewish sympathisers and contemporary
>>historians,with the exception of a handful of Jewish intellectuals like
>>Noam Chomsky and Israel Shahak.
>>The sad fact is that Zionism shares much more in common with Nazism than
>>most people think:
>>Both Zionists and Nazis believe in the theory of racial/communal supremacy
>>Both are believers in racial/communal exclusivism
>>Both are exclusive ideologies that are intolerant of Others
>>Both are prepared to use violence to achieve their goals and both are
>>prepared to justify that use of violence
>>Both ideologies ultimately cater to the needs of their own specific and
>>exclusive constituencies- thus what happens to others is of little interest
>>to them.

>From [email protected] Sun Jan 25 17:14:46 1998

Based on previous post from DejaNews archives:

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=315100303&CONTEXT=885769316.1533018197&hitnum=0

On 11 Jan 1998 04:22:13 GMT, [email protected] (BillBrtn) wrote:

>> Adolf Hitler had some Jews in his inner circle

http://www.viamall.com/ihf/653.html

This is the extraordinary story of Henry (Heinz) von Javorsky, a man
who has survived and thrived in many lands and under many regimes
because of his skill with a camera. In Nazi Germany he was able to
make a living–and live–despite having a Jewish grandmother, because
he was a specialist in aerial photography–

>>: Jews that had Iron Crosses and/or had proven their
>>loyalty to Germany were not harassed by the Gestapo, the SS or the SA.

You need to read about the Hindenburg exemption in Lucy Dawidowicz’s
book The War Against The Jews.

Lucy S. Dawidowicz’s book titled THE WAR AGAINST THE JEWS1933-1945 by
Bantam Books Incorporated [#13084-6, 1979 ed].

* April 7, 1933 Hitler’s letter to Hindenburg gave exemptions to
the “Jewish Problem.” “Officials who were already employed as civil
servants on or before August 1, 1914, or who during the World War,
fought at the front for Germany or her allies, or whose fathers or
sons were killed in action in the World War.” (pg 77)
* [“Starting May 4, 1942, the Jews from Germany, Luxembourg, Vienna,
and Prague would be deported, except for the employed among them
and the holders of the Iron Cross or other World War I decorations.
Hitherto, those Jews as a group had been exempt from the
deportations.”]

____________________________

Or how about this?

Hitler’s Jewish Army

“Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim.” –Elie Wiesel
speaking of World War Two.

“If there were Jews in (Hitler’s) armed forces…who served knowing
what was going on and made no attempt to save (lives), well then that
is unacceptable and dishonorable.” –Rabbi Marvin Hier, director of
the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.

Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis
called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s
knowledge and approval.

Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler’s soldiers, including two field
marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight lieutenant
generals, five major generals), “men commanding up to 100,000 troops.”

[ http://infoukes.com/lists/history/1997/08/0004.html ]

In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were
awarded Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain and
practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.

One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch’s Jewish identity circulated
widely in Germany in the 1930s.

In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch’s
birth record and when met with protests about having a Jew in the Nazi
high command, Goering replied, “I decide who is a Jew and who is an
Aryan.”

Rigg’s research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time, who was
in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.

Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted by a German
officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj. Ernst Bloch,
whose father was a Jew.

Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto
police (Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards (kapos).

So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all
Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against
Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

Sources:

William D. Montalbano, “The Jews in Hitler’s Military,” Los Angeles
Times, Dec. 24, 1996.

Tom Tugend, “Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,”
Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.

Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.
http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/engl/zad/zad13.html

Article ” Hitler’s Jewish Army” from:
http://www.hoffman-info.com/jewishnazi.html

———————————-

http://www.seattletimes.com/extra/browse/html97/altnazi_040397.html

Copyright © 1997 The Seattle Times Company

Thursday, April 3, 1997

Hitler let `Aryanized’ Jews serve in Nazi armed forces

by Reuters

BONN – Adolf Hitler personally allowed at least 77 army officers of
Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause in
the German Wehrmacht during World War II, an American historian said
yesterday…… [Click the above link to see all of the story.]

See also:

http://www.seattletimes.com/extra/browse/html/holo_122696.html

Copyright © 1996 The Seattle Times Company

Dec. 26, 1996

An eerie part of Holocaust history: Researcher talks to Jews who
served in Nazi army

by William D. Montalbano
Los Angeles Times

LONDON – Sustained by scholarship, peanut butter and a sense of
mission, Bryan Rigg is exploring an eerie and uncharted no man’s land
of Holocaust history.

Rigg interviews former German soldiers of Jewish heritage, some of
them high-ranking officers, who fought for Nazi Germany in World War
II – during the Holocaust, when Germans killed 6 million Jews.

“Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis
called `full Jews’ served in the military with Adolf Hitler’s
knowledge. The Nazis allowed these men to serve but at the same time
exterminated their families,” Rigg said. [Click link above to read the
whole story.]

http://infoukes.com/lists/history/1997/08/0004.html
sven88

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On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:13:12 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On 02 May 1998 16:44:09 GMT, [email protected] (Pan Janusz) wrote:
>
>>Translated from Polish:
>
>>Reprinted from “Polish Weekly” published in Australia.
>
>>Office of the Provincial Prosecutor in Katowice issued the extradition papers
>>for war criminal Samuel Morel. Polish authorities will ask authorities in
>>Israel to extradite Morel.
>>Morel is accused of “cruel treatment and tortures of prisoners and jeopardizing
>>their safety and health.” Using common language, between years 1945-1950 he was
>>beating prisoners, torturing and killing them.
>
>>Morel was born in 1919, from 1940 was a member of Jewish band which was
>>assaulting Polish villages in province of Kielce and robbing Polish farmers. In
>>December of 1942 during one of their assaults the band was destroyed by a
>>detachment of People’s Army ( communist guerillas in nazi occupied Poland).
>>Father and brother of Morel were executed, he alone became a member of the
>>People’s Army. He defected from the group when Red Army was inching toward
>>province of Kielce and became a member of Soviet guerillas.
>>Soon he became an officer of UB (communist Security Office in Soviet occupied
>>Poland).
>>In the beginning of 1945 he was sent to the region of Silesia and received the
>>nomination on the camp commandant for Germans in Swietochlowice.
>> About his crime committed in this camp wrote, among others, an American
>>journalist John Sack in his book “Eye for an eye” ( for this book John Sack who
>>is a Jew was decalred an antisemite).
>>In the end of December of 1945 Morel had been transferred and became a warden
>>of the UB prison in Opole. There he tortured Poles and Germans. He also
>>tortured minors in the labor camp in Jaworzno which he was a commandant between
>>1946-1950. He was fired from this post, for mortality among prisoners was too
>>big.
>
>>In 1991 he was interviewed by a prosecutor, panicked and fled to Israel.
>>After spending all his money, within few months he returned to Poland, but soon
>>he surfaced in Sweden where he demanded political asylum argumenting that he
>>was persecuted in Poland because he was a Jew. His plea was rejected and Morel
>>again came back to Poland.
>>On 10th of July Office of the Provincial Prosecutor in Katowice issued arrest
>>warrant. They were late. Morel again fled to Israel.
>>His retirement pention is being picked up by the wife of the criminal.
>>Since 1996 Morel is on the most wanted list of the INTERPOL.
>>According to international law he should be arrested by Israeli police and
>>charged by Israel with war crimes.
>>He should…..
>
>>Translated by Janusz Styber
>

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Another JEW Rabbi in NY state has been caught dealing drugs – this
time inside a prison!!!

Rabbi Eli Gottesman,a chaplain at a federal medium security prison at
Ray Brook, NY got caught with a large bottle filled with sealed
balloons of cocaine and marijuana.

He is a former head of the “who’s Who in canadian Jewry”, and has been
a chaplain of the year named by the NY Board of rabbis.

On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:52:54 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>It seems that JEWS are not satisfied with having murdered Jesus
>Christ.

>Now some of them are involved, even from synagogues, in the DRUGS
>business.
>On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:10:26 -0800, in alt.revisionism
>[email protected] (Michael A. Hoffman II) wrote:

>>Michael A. Hoffman II comments: Why didn’t these two Orthodox Hasidic
>>(Bobover sect) rabbis enjoy the usual rabbinic immunity from arrest for
>>their crimes? Could it be that their mantle of protection was removed by
>>the more powerful Reform and Conservative Jews in America with whom they
>>are at war in occupied Palestine over issues pertaining to modernity and
>>conversion? Is this a warning to the Orthodox to back off from their
>>assaults on Reform and Orthodox Jews? For more go to:
>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
——————————————————————————
2 Rabbis Charged With Money Laundering

By ROBERT D. McFADDEN NY Times June 17, 1997

NEW YORK — A dozen men, including two identified as Orthodox Jewish
rabbis, were charged by federal authorities Monday with conspiring to
launder and hide $1.75 million in drug profits for Colombian
narcotics dealers by routing the cash through the bank accounts of a
synagogue and a yeshiva in Brooklyn.

The bizarre case, federal prosecutors in Brooklyn said, brought
together a collection of strange bedfellows — five New York
representatives of Colombian drug traffickers, three go-betweens who
purportedly transported cash in suitcase quantities, and four men with
ties to a close-knit Jewish community.

At one point, the officials charged, the rabbis ran tens of millions
of dollars in drug profits through the bank accounts of a relatively
modest Borough Park synagogue and provided nearly $3.5 million from
American and Swiss accounts for the purchase of an aircraft for the
Colombian drug lords.

“Money launderers are the indispensable partners of major drug
traffickers, and the cynical act of using religious institutions to
conceal drug proceeds is particularly reprehensible,” said Zachary
Carter, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of New York, in
announcing the charges.

Seven defendants, including Rabbi Mahir Reiss, 47, of 3543 Bedford
Ave., and Rabbi Bernard Grunfeld, 64, of 1417 46th St., both in
Brooklyn, were arrested Monday and were arraigned late in the day
before U.S. Magistrate Judge Roanne L. Mann, charged with conspiracy
to launder money. Two suspects, Grunfeld and Israel Knobloch, 24, of
5200 15th Ave., Brooklyn, also were charged with conspiring to avoid
federal cash-transaction reporting requirements.

Six defendants were held without bail, and one, Abraham Reiss, 48, of
320 Riverside Drive in Manhattan, a brother of Mahir Reiss, was
released on $750,000 bail. Three other men named in the federal
complaint were listed as fugitives, and two more were being held in
custody elsewhere in New York in other cases, according to Lee Dunst,
the assistant federal attorney prosecuting the case.

Unveiling a three-year undercover investigation that used
court-authorize wiretaps and other surveillance, the federal complaint
charged that the two rabbis and Abraham Reiss laundered $750,000 by
taking cash from go-betweens, depositing it in the bank accounts of a
synagogue-based organization and, after subtracting commissions,
writing checks to drug traffickers.

Investigators said the bank accounts used in the scheme, held in the
name of Chaim Shel Shulem, which shares quarters with Congregation
Eitz Chaim at 1577 48th St. in Borough Park, held deposits of more
than $19 million during the 10-month period when the laundering
transactions occurred, between August 1995 and May 1996.

Grunfeld, listed as the president of Chaim Shel Shulem, was said to
have written all the checks that went to the drug traffickers. He and
Knobloch were also accused of concealing the movement of $1 million in
drug money by making 95 deposits and withdrawals of just under $10,000
— the amount that triggers a government cash-transaction reporting
requirement — through the bank accounts of Congregation Eitz Chaim
and Bobover Yeshiva, at the same location.

The defendants made no statements in court Monday. While Grunfeld was
listed by prosecutors as the head of Chaim Shel Shulem, dozens of
people at Congregation Eitz Chaim late Monday declined to say anything
about him or the case. Some seemed not to recognize the name Chaim
Shel Shulem.

The synagogue and yeshiva are in a five-story building with a brick
front and a small awning imprinted with the institution’s name in
Hebrew. The only words in English on the facade call it “the Katz
Family of Mexico Building.”

In a ground-floor, two-room school lined with books, about 100 people
were studying at tables. A man who appeared to be in charge, but who
would not give his name, said he knew nothing about the two rabbis
named in the federal complaint.

The federal investigation — an undertaking of the U.S. Attorney’s
Office, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Internal Revenue Service
— began in 1994, when agents detected a pattern of cash deposits and
withdrawals intended to circumvent the government’s reporting rules in
various bank accounts held in the name of the synagogue and yeshiva,
officials said.

With court-authorized telephone wiretaps, surveillance and other
techniques, the investigators said they uncovered a conspiracy in
which Grunfeld and Knobloch eventually made more than $1 million in
deposits and withdrawals — transactions, they said, that let the
conspirators move large sums of illicit drug profits.

Later, in 1995 and 1996, investigators said, the 12 men named in
Monday’s complaint conducted a full money-laundering operation. Five
of them — Lisandro Montes De Oca, 29; Francisco Gil, 30; Estenio
Rodriguez, 30; Juan Suarez, 39, and Alvaro Duque, 36 –were said to
have brought in large sums that Colombian drug dealers wanted to
launder.

The money was given to three men described as intermediaries — Jack
Pinski, 35, a Colombian who is a fugitive, and Roberto Buendia, 40,
and Fabio Arana, both of Medford, N.Y. They were said to have counted
and stashed the money at an apartment at 243 West 75th St.

There, prosecutors said, Abraham Reiss picked up the money. It was
later deposited in various accounts held in the name of Chaim Shel
Shulem.

Grunfeld, the organization’s president, signed checks that were made
out to “entities in accordance with drug traffickers’ instructions,”
the federal complaint said.

Those instructions were communicated through Rabbi Reiss, who had no
formal connections to Chaim Shel Shulem, investigators said.
Commissions of 13 percent to 15 percent were deducted from the
laundered money and divided among the intermediaries.

Prosecutors said they did not know how members of a deeply religious
community came into contact with professional money launderers and
drug traffickers. But they charged that in 1994, Rabbis Reiss and
Grunfeld, and Abraham Reiss arranged $3.4 million in financing to buy
a Beech Super King aircraft, a type commonly used by drug smugglers.
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On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:31:48 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:

>============
>Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>occupation of Poland. The only reason for this question at this time
>seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered. Provacatively, Dr.
>Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>after the war? Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>
>Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres.
>Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk). He admitted
>that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem. However,
>young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>presently in Lithuania.
>
>But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>occupation was dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei.
>They were ususally not armed, and when armed never given more than five
>bullets for their long rifles. Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>(as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>the genocide.
>
>On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>service was completely voluntary. It was called Ordnungdienst. Their
>emblem was a light alloy Star of David. The social background of these
>Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>post-graduate degrees, 60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>education. These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>
>But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>of his book. In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>closed.
>
>While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>
>Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>Lodz. German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>Wisenthal Museum in LA. Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>
>————-
>Jozef Pawlikowski
>
>We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki. We found
>ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>dozens of other places. Why you shrink from searching for your
>ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>
>————
>
>
>Julian Ilicki wrote:
>>
>> W ostatnim czasie poruszalo sie tutaj nieco sprawe granatowej policji.
>> Czy ktos wie jak odbywala sie rekrutacja do tej policji? Czy byla to po
>> prostu policja przedwojenna ktora pod innym dowodztwem i w innych mundurach
>> kontynuowala swoja dzialalnosc z okresu przedwojennego? A jezeli tak, to
>> czy przedwojenni policjanci byli zmuszeni do pozostawania w szeregach
>> granatowej policji (i jakimi sankcjami sie to wymuszalo), cz mogli moze
>> policje opuscic po kampanii wrzesniowej? Czy odbywala sie rekrutacja nowych
>> policjantow podczas okupacji i w jaki sposob? Co sie z tymi ludzmi stalo po
>> wojnie? I skad sie bierze nazwa “granatowa policja” – czy od kolorow
>> mundurow?
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Julian Ilicki, Ph.D. e-mail: [email protected]
>> Uppsala Univ., Dept. of Sociology, Box 821, S-751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
>> voice, office: +46 – 18 4711513 voice, private: +46 – 18 204747
>> fax, Dept.: +46 – 18 4711170 cellular: +46 – 70 7533731
>> http://www.soc.uu.se/staff/julian_i.html
>> http://www.soc.uu.se/~julian/
>Julian Ilicki wrote:
>>
>> W ostatnim czasie poruszalo sie tutaj nieco sprawe granatowej policji.
>> Czy ktos wie jak odbywala sie rekrutacja do tej policji? Czy byla to po
>> prostu policja przedwojenna ktora pod innym dowodztwem i w innych mundurach
>> kontynuowala swoja dzialalnosc z okresu przedwojennego? A jezeli tak, to
>> czy przedwojenni policjanci byli zmuszeni do pozostawania w szeregach
>> granatowej policji (i jakimi sankcjami sie to wymuszalo), czy mogli moze
>> policje opuscic po kampanii wrzesniowej? Czy odbywala sie rekrutacja nowych
>> policjantow podczas okupacji i w jaki sposob? Co sie z tymi ludzmi stalo po
>> wojnie? I skad sie bierze nazwa “granatowa policja” – czy od kolorow
>> mundurow?
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Julian Ilicki, Ph.D. e-mail: [email protected]
>> Uppsala Univ., Dept. of Sociology, Box 821, S-751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
>> voice, office: +46 – 18 4711513 voice, private: +46 – 18 204747
>> fax, Dept.: +46 – 18 4711170 cellular: +46 – 70 7533731
>> http://www.soc.uu.se/staff/julian_i.html
>> http://www.soc.uu.se/~julian/

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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:38:00 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>Came across the article in deja News, so thought it should be
>reconsidered by thinking readers.
>
>
>On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:50:37 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>
>>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism – Don’t Deny It
>>From: [email protected] (Roger Hughes)
>>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation
>
>
>>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
>
>> One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called “Russian
>>Revolution” of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>>them, continue to condemn anyone as “anti-Semitic” who brings up these
>>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>>and lead revolutionary movement.
>
>> First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx,
>>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father’s side.
>>Whether he was a “religous” Jew is of no significant importance, since
>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
>
>> While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will
>>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let’s see the them deny the
>>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that
>>passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
>>during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
>>quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
>>Archives:
>
>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>>general in Moscow, Summers: “Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
>>anti-Jewish feeling growing among population….”
>
>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
>>5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: “Fifty percent of Soviet government in
>>each town consists of Jews of the worst type.”
>
>>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>>Montgomey Shuyler: “It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it’s
>>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type.”
>
>
>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports
>>on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: “…(T)here were 384
>>`commissars’ including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
>>Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to
>>Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
>>Government.”
>
>>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>>Bolshevik party’s executive secretary and – as chairman of the Central
>>Executive Committee – head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign
>>affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and
>>Moisei Uritsky.
>
>>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: “The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little
>>for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
>>trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”
>
>>The Netherlands’ ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>>”Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things.”
>
>>In case anyone thinks I’ve taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>>here’s three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda
>>Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
>>United States Senate, 65th Congress:
>
>>”We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side
>>of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
>>Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that
>>there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
>>showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these
>>men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in
>>this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
>>more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
>>Jews…I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one
>>of its bases is found in the east side of New York…The latest
>>startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
>>startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the northern
>>community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
>>regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
>>out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
>>exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
>>Gordon.
>
>>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on
>>the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
>>often remarked to my sister, ‘Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
>>all looks so Yiddish.’ Up to that time we had see very few Jews, because
>>there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in Petrograd,
>>but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the agitators
>>were Jews.
>
>>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that
>>was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
>>did not take kindly to it.”
>
>>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>>”anti-Semitic” and therefore unreliable, but they’d be wrong. Here’s a
>>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>
>>”The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>>physical forces, become a reality all over the world.” (The American
>>Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
>
>>”There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>>many of the highest ideals of Judaism.” (Jewish Chronicle, London April,
>>4, 1919)
>
>>”Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism.” (The American Bulletin, Rabbi
>>S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>
>>”In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>>the total population.” (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
>
>>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>>so-called “anti-Semitism” a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>>himself:
>
>>”National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
>>characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
>>extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>cannibalism…under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
>>penalty.” (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>
>>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>>virtually untouched.
>
>>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920’s in one of the most vile
>>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, “Jews made up nearly 80 percent
>>of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,” reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
>>American professor of Russian history. . . ”
>
>>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were
>>murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
>>directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
>>Communist bosses.
>
>>Regards,
>>Roger Hughes
>
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Towards a New Consciousness; a New Order; a New People
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> http://www.natall.com
>> http://www.natvan.com
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Roger’s Page http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
>> Keep It White Because You Know It’s Right!
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Abusive emails will be posted to the Usenet and ridiculed.
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:16:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:42:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>gangster!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin’s participation in war crimes
>>>
>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>
>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>not been used yet.
>>>
>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook “to
>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.” A Signatory may
>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>
>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world’s
>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States’ legal obligations to do so.
>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>
>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>
>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>1977, as ‘grave breaches’, the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>prosecute.
>>>
>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>
>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>
>>>”1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately.” The order was signed “Yitzhak
>>>R[abin].”
>>>
>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>”The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949″ by Israeli
>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo’s book “The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland”, Quartet Books,
>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>
>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin’s implication in
>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin’s orders. As a prelude to
>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile’. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>planned ‘transfer’ policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>master plan of “ethnical cleansing”.
>>>
>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>
>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as ‘war crimes’.
>>>
>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>> of their Inhabitants
>>>
>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>
>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>
>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>prohibit “at any time and in any place whatsoever….collective
>>>punishments”. It seems that the destruction of these villages – every
>>>single house in them – constitutes ‘collective punishment’ within the
>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>
>>> 3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>> Youngsters
>>>
>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by “force, might,
>>>beatings”. More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>
>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>these practices (i.e. Ha’aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin’s role in these
>>>policies.
>>>
>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) “inhuman treatment….wilfully
>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health”. Protocol I
>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>the acts which remain “prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:”: “Violence to
>>>the….physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular….(iii)
>>>corporal punishment.”
>>>
>>> 4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>> Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>
>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin’s war:
>>>”Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>southern Lebanon. (…) Rabin’s War – Operation Accountability – has killed
>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>Beirut. (…) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(…) About
>>>80 villages have been hit.”. According to the London-based Middle East
>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the “majority of casualties were
>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>around 100,000.”
>>>
>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was “expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon ‘uninhabitable’ and to create a
>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel’s will (…)”
>>>
>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), “some 400,000
>>>people – mainly Shi’ite Muslims – fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves”.
>>>
>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>specifies as a ‘grave breach’ (war crime) “making the civilian population
>>>or individual civilians the object of attack” as well as “launching an
>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects”. Further details are provided
>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a ‘grave breach’ of international
>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>
>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>
>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>
>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>their country’s sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>
>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>
>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>of hostilities.
>>>
>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>
>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>
>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>
>>>Mr. Rabin’s Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>
>>>As to Mr. Rabin’s personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>and 1967).
>>>
>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>”to break the bones” of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by “force, might, beatings” and
>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>
>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel’s Prime
>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin’s primary responsibility for this act.
>>>
>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>
>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>described as ‘war crimes’ as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>view, only the most outrageous types of ‘war crimes’, as committed in World
>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>Conventions.
>>>
>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>the “deportation … for any … purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>occupied territory” as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>”deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>population….when such acts are done….in connection with any crime
>>>against peace or any war crime”, as Crime against Humanity.
>>>
>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>process of law to determine a defendant’s culpability and punishment). The
>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes ‘corporal punishment’, although not as
>>>a ‘grave breach’. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>
>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the ‘grave
>>>breaches’ (war crimes), if such attacks were committed “wilfully, in
>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>serious injury to body or health”.
>>>
>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>
>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>then, state:
>>>
>>>”The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law”
>>>(Principle III. “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him”.
>>>(Principle IV).
>>>
>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>such reservations.
>>>
>>>Conclusion
>>>
>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>short legal discussion.
>>>
>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived – legally – by
>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today’s world, it
>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>circumstances.
>>>
>>>Human rights’ and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin’s
>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>found.
>>
>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser

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On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2 wrote:

>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>By Sean Maguire
>Sept. 14, 1998

>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.

>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>sensitive site.

>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>groups.

>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests and must be resolved as
>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are beginning to be perceived
>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,” she added.

>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>site inevitable.

>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ

>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site.

>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex.

>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>human ashes at Birkenau.

>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar.

>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>and nationalists.

>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>forgotten.

>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>be removed.
>
>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated.
>
>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the answer but the cross, all
>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>the-scene discussion.”
>
>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, “But I don’t see any
>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>the moment.”

>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE

>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>and the Jewish diaspora.

>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>international funding, are on hold.

>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently.

>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the “Judenrampe,” the
>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign.

>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about preserving barbed wire,
>concrete, the crematories.”

>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda.

>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,” wiping out most of
>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.

>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>Magdziak-Miszewska.

>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.

>“We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland’s tiny
>Jewish community.

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:31:49 GMT, [email protected] (Wieslaw
Kochanski) wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:11:47 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>>In article <[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] (MunnyGumm) wrote:

>>> URL: http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Crosses/index.html

>>===== From John Walker: ============
>>The referred to site, above, is excellent and I hope it will
>>continue to be expanded upon.
>[…]
>>- John Walker

>And what YOU have to do with this matter.
>Are you Jewish or Polish ??????????
>Did some from your family died in Oswiecim (like mine)
>so get lost.
>For a 50 yars ther was no crosses in Oswiecim
>(and nobody wants them) so why now..??????
>Wieslaw

It is a decision that is to be made by good POLISH people, in Poland,
not by cursed Christkillers and despicable JEWS in another occupied
country.

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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:09:47 +0200, “Rob” wrote:

>siedzialem na dembie i dlobalem w zebie
>a ludziska glopie
>myslaly ze ze w d…….
>
>kaczki tez
>
>kochajmy sie baranie

On 13 Oct 1998 03:36:24 GMT,(Kenneth McVay SOBC) wrote:

On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:00:36 -0400, wrote:
>Hey Warr,

>Get some new material. Fran Dresher you aint. Henny Youngman could do better
>sleepwalking.

On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:00:54 +0200, “Rob” wrote:

>You are right!!!

On 10 Oct 1998 18:46:42 GMT, (Kenneth McVay SOBC) wrote:

JEWISH JOKES

How was copper wiring invented?
Two Jews fighting over a penny!

How is Christmas celebrated in a Jewish home?
They put parking meters on the roof!

Why is money green?
Because Jews pick it before it’s ripe!

What candy did Hitler hate more then any other?
Jew Jew Beans… Although I heard he enjoyed them “roasted!”

If Tarzan and Jane were Jewish, what would Cheetah be?
A fur coat!

Why don’t Jews eat pork?
They may be a lot of things, but CANNIBALS they’re not!

Why aren’t Jews attacked by sharks?
Professional courtesy!

Do you know how to keep Jews out of a country club?
Let one in, and he’ll keep the rest out.

What’s the Jewish version of foreplay?
Half an hour of begging.

How can you tell the mother-in-law at a Jewish wedding?
She’s the one on her hands and knees picking up the rice!

Did you hear about the new tires, Firestein?
They not only stop on a dime, they also pick it up!

What’s the difference between a circumcision and crucifixion?
In a crucifixion, they throw the whole Jew out!

Why did the Jews wander in the desert for 40 years?
Someone dropped a quarter!

Why do Jews have such big noses?
Because air is free.

What did the Jewish mother ask her daughter when she learned she had
an
affair?
Who catered it?

What happens when a Jew with an erection walks into a wall?
He breaks his nose.

What’s a Jewish dilemma?
Free ham.

What’s the difference between a Jewish bitch and a barracuda?
Nail polish.

What’s the difference between an elephant and a Jew?
An elephant eventually forgets.

A nigger was walking down the street, kicking some rubbish out of his
way,
when he spotted something amid the trash that gleamed
strangely. It urned out to be an oddly shaped bottle, and when he
rubbed it, a
Jewish genie appeared. “I’ll give you two wishes,” quipped
the genie. “Far out,” said the black man. “First, I want to be white,
uptight,
and out of sight!” Second, I want to be surrounded by warm,
sweet pussy. So the genie turned him into a TAMPON! The moral of this
story:
You can’t get anything from a Jew without strings
attached!

How do you stop a Jewish girl from fucking you?
Marry her!

Why do jewish bitches only sleep with circumcised men?
They want 20% off everything!

What’s the difference between between karate and judo?
Karate is a form of self-defense, and judo is what bagels are made of.

Did you hear that the limbo was invented by the Jews?
Yeah, from sneaking into pay toilets.

What’s the definition of a queer Jew?
Someone that likes girls more then money.

What do you call ten Jewish bitches in a basement?
A WHINE cellar.

Why did the Jewish mother have herself entombed at Bloomingdales?
So her daughter would visit at least twice a week.

What’s the difference between a vulture and a Jew?
A vulture waits until you’re dead to eat your heart out!

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On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:06:02 -0700, “WaRR”
wrote:

>what do you get when you cross a jewish women and an arab women??
>oil of no lay!!

>=what is the difference between karate and judo?
>karate is the art of self-defense, and judo is what bagels are made of.

>=i knew a jewish woman once who thought the apostle’s creed was
>what fought rocky balboa.

>=what’s the difference between a jewish british princess and a toilet?
>a toilet doesn’t follow you around for 9 months after you use it.

>=did you hear that al italia and el al were merging to form a new airline?
>it’s called well i’ll tell ya.=what do you call a jewish woman’s waterbed?
>the dead sea. second prize: lake placid.

>=how was copper wire invented?
> by 2 jews fighting over a penny.

>=why are jewish men circumcised?
> because jewish women won’t buy anything unless it’s 20% off.

>=what do you call an uncircumcised jewish baby?
>a girl.

>=what do you get when you cross a jewish british princess & a computer?
>a computer that never goes down on you.
>=what’s a jewish british princess’ favorite wine?
> i wanna go to palmsprings.
>=how do you know a jewish british princess has an orgasm?
>she drops her nail file.

>=what do you have when you get 3 jewish british princesses together
>with 3 other women who have yeast infections?a whine and cheese party.
>=how many jewish british princesses does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
>two, one to get a diet coke and one to call daddy.

>=why do jewish girls like prostitution?
>because they can sell it again and again and again.

>=what’s the difference between a jewish british princess and jello?
>jello moves when you eat it.

>=how does a jewish british princess do it doggie style?
>she makes him beg for an hour.

>=what’s the difference between a jewish british princess and a catholic
>british princess?
>the catholic british princess has fake jewelry and real orgasms.

>=what’s the difference between jews and canoes?
>canoes tip. ( THIS ONE FREAKS ME OUT :)))))

>=what’s the difference between jews and pizzas?
>pizzas don’t scream when you put them in the oven.

>=what is a jewish dilemma?
>free ham.

>=what do you call a jewish piano?
>a cash register.

>=how many jews does it take to change a light bulb?
>none. they are used to sitting in the dark.

>=did you hear about the rabbi who did free circumcisions?
>he only took tips.

>=how many jews can you fit in a vw?
>two in the front, two in the back, and ten thousand in the ash tray.

>=a priest, a baptist minister, and a rabbi were asked how they would
>divide up some gold coins between themselves and god. the priest
>replied, “i’d draw a line down the middle of the room, throw the
>coins in the air, and whatever landed on one side goes to god,
>the other to me.” the minister replied, “i’d draw a circle in
>the middle of the room, and whatever lands inside is for god,
>outside for me.” the rabbi’s answer was, he wouldn’t draw any
>line, just throw the money in the air and whatever god caughthe could keep.

>=an italian, a jew, and a homosexual were walking down the street and
>were hit by the same bolt of lightning. next thing they know they’re
>in front of st. peter begging for a second chance. “ok,” he says,
>”but on one condition: you must give up that which you love the most.
>if you don’t, you go straight to hell.” after agreeing, they find
>themselves back on the street and they start walking again. a few
>blocks down they pass a pizza store. “i can’t help myself!” says the
>italian… he goes in, takes a bite of pizza, and poof!, he
>disappears. so the jew and the homosexual continue walking
>down the street. the jew sees a penny on the sidewalk. “i can’t
>help myself!” he says. he reaches for the penny and poof! the
>homosexual disappears.

>yours truly

>WaRR
-88-

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On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 19:09:41 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:28:22 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
> wrote:
>>jacob bekker wrote:
>>> [email protected] wrote:

>>> > One MUST question the alleged figure of the damn JEWS as to how many
>>> > allegedly died in WWII.

>>> Is there no wonder how the dumn Jews have so big influence in the world?

>>> J.B.

>>=================
>>Presence of Jews in Hitler’s army clearly rules out the story of
>>exterminatinon. Being in high places they would know that the story is
>>true and would alert the world through their relatives.

>>They have not done it … little chance that there was Jewish genocide.
>>Moreover, there are no bones of 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the
>>chance to cremate.

>>Why Jews are smart and there is no doubt about it?

>>Jew are the oldest people on earth with practical alphabet. Being so
>>for they became the record keepers and accountants of the world. While
>>Slavic women looked at Slavic mens muscles in order to be sure that he
>>will have the strenght to plow and feed her family Jewish maiden looked
>>in Jewish boys for brains to sustain them.

>>Moreover Catholicizm caused that the smartest boys especially in peasant
>>families became priests and than the genes of smartnes did not
>>reproduced. In Rabbis families was just the opposite, the smartest boy
>>in the shtetle was gettin hand of the smart rabbis daughters.

>>But I do not worry about that. Mere forty years of education given to
>>the Slavs admixed with Jewish apparatus of terror and the Slavs managed
>>to launch Sputnik and man space station Mir.

>>Western Europeans were unable to do it.
>>Pawlikowski

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On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:56:46 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
trying to stimulate more interest in this topic,

On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:45:47 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Fri, 03 Jul 1998 15:00:35 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>On 3 Jul 1998 06:38:05 GMT, wrote:
>>
Orest Slepokura wrote:
…fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews…

Here is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.

The Kastner Case

The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
involving a Jew – Rudolf Kastner.

Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
are generally under the impression that there is some ‘controversy’
about negotiations he undertook for ‘the purchase of Jewish lives for
money and military equipment’, but that he was ‘fully rehabilitated’
by the Supreme Court of Israel.

The Accusations

Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
Herald, he wrote:

I am a Jew. In spite of that – indeed because of that – I accuse
certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.

This group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
silence.

Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz – the
number is still on my arm – I compiled careful statistics of the
exterminations.

I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
chambers…Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, ‘I know of your
plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.’

Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
bargaining end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars.
With this little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine…(Ben
Hecht, Perfidy, pp261-2)

These accusations are confirmed by the ‘Eichmann Confessions’
published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
elsewhere…In obedience to Himmler’s directive I now concentrated on
negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest…Among
them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from
resisting deportation – and even keep order in the collection camps –
if I could close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young
Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.

It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was
not too high for me.

We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

Dr. Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for a select group
of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel…

>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>>thousand
>>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal ‘You
>>can
>>have the others’, he would say, ‘but let me have this group here’. And
>>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the
>>deportation
>>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews…That was the
>>’gentleman’s agreement’ I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>
>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to ‘the purchase
>>of
>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment’.
>>
>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>
>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>>than
>>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent
>>Zionist
>>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>> The Verdict
>>
>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>>panel
>>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel’s District Court of
>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>>The
>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>>studied
>>carefully.
>>
>>The masses of Jews from Hungary’s ghettos obediently boarded the
>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>>confidence
>>in the false information that they were being transferred to
>>Kenyermeze.
>>
>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>>they
>>not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>
>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>>others
>>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the
>>Jews.
>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>>of
>>Jewish leaders.
>>
>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>>leaders
>>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>>spreading
>>such false information and did not protest.
>>
>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local ‘rescue work’.
>>
>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>>hampering
>>the deportation orders.
>>
>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>>dozen
>>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower
>>these few
>>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>
>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>>Jews in
>>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>
>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>>their
>>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders
>>who
>>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>>deportations…these
>>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride
>>to
>>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>
>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>>extermination
>>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in
>>Budapest
>>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this
>>as a
>>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured,
>>dependent on
>>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its
>>fatal
>>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the
>>Jewish
>>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the
>>catastrophe.
>>
>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>>Jewry
>>and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>
>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>>task
>>easier.
>>
>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>
>>chiefs.
>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>underground.
>>
>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>>Nazis
>>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S.
>>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>>Rescue
>>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>
>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>>these
>>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the
>>extermination plan of the killers ?
>>
>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner’s Rescue
>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>>friends
>>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary – their total
>>annihilation.
>>
>>The Nazi’s patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>>six
>>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>>to him
>>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a
>>great
>>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that
>>would
>>also justify his conduct – his political negotiation with Nazis and
>>the
>>Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>
>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>>soul to
>>the German Satan.
>>
>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>>order
>>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>>between
>>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation
>>into
>>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis
>>promised
>>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian
>>Jews
>>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative
>>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that
>>Kastner
>>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp
>>and
>>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents
>>and
>>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out
>>from
>>the book of the living.
>>
>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner’s collaboration and
>>put
>>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not
>>only
>>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>
>>All of Kastner’s answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>>to
>>evade this truth.
>>
>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>>wall
>>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly
>>to
>>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53;
>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem,
>>June 22,
>>1955).
>>
>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>>’new
>>line’ of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>
>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the ‘new line’
>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>
>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>Jews.
>>
>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>’rescue’ work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>>of
>>Kastner’s involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>criminals.
>>
>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>>Kastner
>>also needed an alibi for himself.
>>
>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>>Kastner’s
>>duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the S.S.
>>
>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>>the
>>Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>
>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>>were
>>coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler”.
>>
>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>
>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>>when
>>he denied he had interceded in Becher’s behalf. Moreover, he concealed
>>the
>>important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>
>>As to the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, it was enough for the
>>defense to
>>provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to
>>remove
>>Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>
>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>criminal.
>>
>>The lies in the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, the lies in his
>>testimony
>>concerning the document, and Kastner’s knowing participation in the
>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last
>>minute
>>fake rescue activities – all these combine to show one overwhelming
>>truth –
>>that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>
>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>>stood up
>>against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has declared in
>>the
>>affidavit.
>>
>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>>but to
>>serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth and no
>>good
>>faith in Kastner’s testimony, ‘I never doubted for one moment the good
>>intention of good Becher’.
>>
>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>>his
>>own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>>World
>>Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>>exaggerate
>>when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because of his
>>personal
>>intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the
>>contradictions
>>and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were sufficient to
>>annul the value of his statements and to prove that there was no good
>>faith
>>in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal. Kastner’s
>>affidavit
>>in favor of Becher was a wilfully false affidavit given in favor of a
>>war
>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>
>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>>his
>>statements.”
>>
>>Judge Halevi’s verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>>libel
>>against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproved
>>accusation – that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>>ordered
>>the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli pounds
>>as
>>court costs.
>>
>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>>pointed to
>>much more than that.
>>
>>But the story does not end there.
>>
>>The Reaction
>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha’am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>
>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>>know now
>>clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder” (23 June 1955)
>>
>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>Government of Israel.
>>
>>As the evening paper *Yedi’ot Aharonot* said:
>>
>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>political and national collapse – as a result of what such a trial may
>>disclose.” (23 June 1955)
>>
>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>>instead
>>it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal
>>libel.
>>
>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>>government
>>announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed – an appeal filed.
>>What
>>exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>>appeal on
>>a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>
>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>>of
>>Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>>was
>>defending Kastner so strongly:
>>
>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>>National
>>Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here
>>in
>>this court to defend the representative of our national institutions.”
>>(Hecht, p. 268)
>>
>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner’s collaboration
>>was
>>not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>leadership.
>>
>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>>But
>>the story gets worse.
>>
>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>>
>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>>the
>>name
>>of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point
>>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not ‘fully
>>rehabilitated’.
>>
>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>>court –
>>that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being ‘fully
>>rehabilitated’.
>>
>>
>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>>these
>>facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two,
>>found
>>that Kastner’s actions were morally justifiable and convicted
>>Greenwald of
>>criminal libel for calling this ‘collaboration’.
>>
>>Kastner’s actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>>the
>>defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that
>>prove
>>conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>
>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>>Kastner.
>>They joined him.
>>
>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>Chesin:
>>
>>….What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>>Kluj,
>>people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the
>>end of
>>their journey…Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying, ‘The
>>Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree’. This
>>vivid
>>description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>>Hungarian Jews, ‘This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without
>>any
>>ideological Jewish backbone’ (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in
>>Budapest,
>>protocol 465).
>>
>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, ‘The
>>Jews
>>of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>>neither
>>physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>>against the deportation scheme’…From this point of view no rescue
>>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to
>>the
>>Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on can
>>properly
>>conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>
>>….And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>>when
>>he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result
>>from
>>his great despair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community.
>>Even
>>then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration and
>>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>>Kastner’s efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale…And
>>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and
>>say
>>that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few
>>Jews
>>from Hell – this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their
>>plan to
>>exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>
>>Even if, through these activities of his – or rather, his omission –
>>the
>>extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question
>>is not
>>whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting
>>its
>>doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of
>>his
>>efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he
>>disclose
>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>>everybody
>>will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the
>>blood of
>>the few bring if everybody is to perish?…As I said, I am not arguing
>>with
>>the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish
>>District
>>Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that
>>his
>>findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived
>>at.
>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>>extermination
>>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both
>>from a
>>moral and public point of view…
>>
>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>>who
>>boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination,
>>one
>>has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and
>>Marton,
>>and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an
>>hour of
>>crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not
>>warn
>>and did not cry out of the coming danger….
>>
>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>>Court
>>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in
>>Hungary
>>during the last war.” (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>
>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner’s contempt for the
>>Hungarian
>>Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what
>>many
>>other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did – concealing their
>>knowledge of
>>the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist ‘leaders’ boarded a different
>>train for Palestine.
>>
>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>>
>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>>Silberg:
>>
>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>>the
>>leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have
>>a
>>clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing
>>here
>>with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>>guilt of others….
>>
>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>>an
>>opinion….’Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray
>>of
>>hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>>result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret of the
>>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the
>>few –
>>therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of
>>collaborating
>>with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews, even
>>though, in
>>fact, he brought about its result.’
>>
>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>>such
>>an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>>cooperation
>>with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and without the
>>knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the
>>decisive
>>consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from the
>>testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of
>>the
>>Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been
>>able
>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>>concealment of
>>children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money, bribery,
>>etc. –
>>and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds of
>>thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete
>>certainty
>>and with an extreme ‘no’ the efficiency of all the many and varied
>>rescue
>>ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does
>>he
>>decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation
>>of the
>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>>as
>>his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to
>>a
>>claim of such good faith…
>>
>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>>die
>>so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will
>>come
>>out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an
>>individual
>>erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other
>>patients. He
>>is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>
>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>>complete
>>loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue
>>operation
>>could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>
>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>>was
>>put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>>Kastner
>>himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make
>>this
>>claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report
>>to the
>>Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in
>>the
>>countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue,
>>and
>>the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed
>>the
>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>>resisting
>>the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and
>>activity.
>>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing…
>>
>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>
>>A. That the Nazis didn’t want to have a great revolt – nor small
>>revolts,
>>and their passion was to have the extermination machine working
>>smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner from
>>the best source – from Eichmann himself – And he had additional proofs
>>of
>>that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics
>>which
>>were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>>
>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with – or
>>the
>>escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>>murder.
>>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
>>evidence for this.
>>
>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>>of
>>the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>
>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner…He who is capable of
>>rescuing
>>this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great war
>>criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his eyes…I couldn’t
>>base
>>the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it
>>is
>>attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws
>>retroactive
>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>conclusion.”(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>
>>
>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>>their
>>attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have
>>been
>>under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate
>>collaboration
>>with the Nazis.
>>
>>But Judge Silberg’s judgement was that of a minority.
>>
>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>
>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>>with
>>the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>
>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>>gave
>>on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to
>>remain
>>a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with
>>an
>>estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>
>>Becher has even used his certification as a ‘good’ SS officer to give
>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>>West
>>Germany.
>>
>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>>the
>>Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>>pressure
>>that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for fear of
>>what
>>might come out.
>>
>>Likewise, none of Kastner’s associates on the Zionist Relief and
>>Rescue
>>Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on
>>trial .
>>Let alone the hundreds of ‘prominents’ who helped Kastner to reassure
>>the
>>Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz,
>>in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them eventually to
>>Palestine.
>>
>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>>was
>>approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership
>>in
>>Palestine. He is ‘now dead’. Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March
>>1957
>>he was shot by Zeev Eckstein – immediately after the appeal hearings
>>were
>>concluded, and before the judgement ‘rehabilitating’ him was
>>delivered.
>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>>of the
>>Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another ‘fantastic
>>allegation’ no doubt; but admitted in court during the murder trial).

sven88

On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:26:31 GMT, igal_pissmaker wrote:

>: In article <[email protected]>,
>: [email protected] (PONIECKA) wrote:
>:Exactly what is your definition of “collaborators” ?
>
>
>Good question. Despite it deserved a separate thread (maybe I will start
>one)let’s for know put it here: Nazi criminals – ones who directly killed,
>maimed,
>gave orders and oversaw the genocide. Collaborators – ones who helped nazi
>machine run smoothly (volunteers) – it maybe railway station managers, or
>auxilarry police who did not do the dirty work, armed vehicle repairmen and so
>on.
>
>Now the intereting question: How we will qualify women who volunteerly were
>slipping with enemy soldiers providing them comphort and moral support ( that
>kind was everywhere – in France, Belgium, Poland as well – how many of them
>find asylum across the ocean with american boys???), instead of giving them
>hard time willingly transmitting STD or something – to make life of occupants
>miserable. I do remember the roumors that one of resistant female fighters in
>belorussia manage to destroy fighting ability of roughly the batallion of
>enemies in that manner. She was considered to be awarded the order of Lenin
>for that, but unfortunately died of very same war struggle consequences.
>I=P
>
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Another JEW Rabbi in NY state has been caught dealing drugs – this
time inside a prison!!!

Rabbi Eli Gottesman,a chaplain at a federal medium security prison at
Ray Brook, NY got caught with a large bottle filled with sealed
balloons of cocaine and marijuana.

He is a former head of the “who’s Who in canadian Jewry”, and has been
a chaplain of the year named by the NY Board of rabbis.

On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:52:54 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>It seems that JEWS are not satisfied with having murdered Jesus
>Christ.

>Now some of them are involved, even from synagogues, in the DRUGS
>business.
>On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:10:26 -0800, in alt.revisionism
>[email protected] (Michael A. Hoffman II) wrote:

>>Michael A. Hoffman II comments: Why didn’t these two Orthodox Hasidic
>>(Bobover sect) rabbis enjoy the usual rabbinic immunity from arrest for
>>their crimes? Could it be that their mantle of protection was removed by
>>the more powerful Reform and Conservative Jews in America with whom they
>>are at war in occupied Palestine over issues pertaining to modernity and
>>conversion? Is this a warning to the Orthodox to back off from their
>>assaults on Reform and Orthodox Jews? For more go to:
>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
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2 Rabbis Charged With Money Laundering

By ROBERT D. McFADDEN NY Times June 17, 1997

NEW YORK — A dozen men, including two identified as Orthodox Jewish
rabbis, were charged by federal authorities Monday with conspiring to
launder and hide $1.75 million in drug profits for Colombian
narcotics dealers by routing the cash through the bank accounts of a
synagogue and a yeshiva in Brooklyn.

The bizarre case, federal prosecutors in Brooklyn said, brought
together a collection of strange bedfellows — five New York
representatives of Colombian drug traffickers, three go-betweens who
purportedly transported cash in suitcase quantities, and four men with
ties to a close-knit Jewish community.

At one point, the officials charged, the rabbis ran tens of millions
of dollars in drug profits through the bank accounts of a relatively
modest Borough Park synagogue and provided nearly $3.5 million from
American and Swiss accounts for the purchase of an aircraft for the
Colombian drug lords.

“Money launderers are the indispensable partners of major drug
traffickers, and the cynical act of using religious institutions to
conceal drug proceeds is particularly reprehensible,” said Zachary
Carter, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of New York, in
announcing the charges.

Seven defendants, including Rabbi Mahir Reiss, 47, of 3543 Bedford
Ave., and Rabbi Bernard Grunfeld, 64, of 1417 46th St., both in
Brooklyn, were arrested Monday and were arraigned late in the day
before U.S. Magistrate Judge Roanne L. Mann, charged with conspiracy
to launder money. Two suspects, Grunfeld and Israel Knobloch, 24, of
5200 15th Ave., Brooklyn, also were charged with conspiring to avoid
federal cash-transaction reporting requirements.

Six defendants were held without bail, and one, Abraham Reiss, 48, of
320 Riverside Drive in Manhattan, a brother of Mahir Reiss, was
released on $750,000 bail. Three other men named in the federal
complaint were listed as fugitives, and two more were being held in
custody elsewhere in New York in other cases, according to Lee Dunst,
the assistant federal attorney prosecuting the case.

Unveiling a three-year undercover investigation that used
court-authorize wiretaps and other surveillance, the federal complaint
charged that the two rabbis and Abraham Reiss laundered $750,000 by
taking cash from go-betweens, depositing it in the bank accounts of a
synagogue-based organization and, after subtracting commissions,
writing checks to drug traffickers.

Investigators said the bank accounts used in the scheme, held in the
name of Chaim Shel Shulem, which shares quarters with Congregation
Eitz Chaim at 1577 48th St. in Borough Park, held deposits of more
than $19 million during the 10-month period when the laundering
transactions occurred, between August 1995 and May 1996.

Grunfeld, listed as the president of Chaim Shel Shulem, was said to
have written all the checks that went to the drug traffickers. He and
Knobloch were also accused of concealing the movement of $1 million in
drug money by making 95 deposits and withdrawals of just under $10,000
— the amount that triggers a government cash-transaction reporting
requirement — through the bank accounts of Congregation Eitz Chaim
and Bobover Yeshiva, at the same location.

The defendants made no statements in court Monday. While Grunfeld was
listed by prosecutors as the head of Chaim Shel Shulem, dozens of
people at Congregation Eitz Chaim late Monday declined to say anything
about him or the case. Some seemed not to recognize the name Chaim
Shel Shulem.

The synagogue and yeshiva are in a five-story building with a brick
front and a small awning imprinted with the institution’s name in
Hebrew. The only words in English on the facade call it “the Katz
Family of Mexico Building.”

In a ground-floor, two-room school lined with books, about 100 people
were studying at tables. A man who appeared to be in charge, but who
would not give his name, said he knew nothing about the two rabbis
named in the federal complaint.

The federal investigation — an undertaking of the U.S. Attorney’s
Office, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Internal Revenue Service
— began in 1994, when agents detected a pattern of cash deposits and
withdrawals intended to circumvent the government’s reporting rules in
various bank accounts held in the name of the synagogue and yeshiva,
officials said.

With court-authorized telephone wiretaps, surveillance and other
techniques, the investigators said they uncovered a conspiracy in
which Grunfeld and Knobloch eventually made more than $1 million in
deposits and withdrawals — transactions, they said, that let the
conspirators move large sums of illicit drug profits.

Later, in 1995 and 1996, investigators said, the 12 men named in
Monday’s complaint conducted a full money-laundering operation. Five
of them — Lisandro Montes De Oca, 29; Francisco Gil, 30; Estenio
Rodriguez, 30; Juan Suarez, 39, and Alvaro Duque, 36 –were said to
have brought in large sums that Colombian drug dealers wanted to
launder.

The money was given to three men described as intermediaries — Jack
Pinski, 35, a Colombian who is a fugitive, and Roberto Buendia, 40,
and Fabio Arana, both of Medford, N.Y. They were said to have counted
and stashed the money at an apartment at 243 West 75th St.

There, prosecutors said, Abraham Reiss picked up the money. It was
later deposited in various accounts held in the name of Chaim Shel
Shulem.

Grunfeld, the organization’s president, signed checks that were made
out to “entities in accordance with drug traffickers’ instructions,”
the federal complaint said.

Those instructions were communicated through Rabbi Reiss, who had no
formal connections to Chaim Shel Shulem, investigators said.
Commissions of 13 percent to 15 percent were deducted from the
laundered money and divided among the intermediaries.

Prosecutors said they did not know how members of a deeply religious
community came into contact with professional money launderers and
drug traffickers. But they charged that in 1994, Rabbis Reiss and
Grunfeld, and Abraham Reiss arranged $3.4 million in financing to buy
a Beech Super King aircraft, a type commonly used by drug smugglers.
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On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:31:48 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:

>============
>Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>occupation of Poland. The only reason for this question at this time
>seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered. Provacatively, Dr.
>Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>after the war? Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>
>Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres.
>Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk). He admitted
>that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem. However,
>young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>presently in Lithuania.
>
>But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>occupation was dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei.
>They were ususally not armed, and when armed never given more than five
>bullets for their long rifles. Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>(as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>the genocide.
>
>On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>service was completely voluntary. It was called Ordnungdienst. Their
>emblem was a light alloy Star of David. The social background of these
>Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>post-graduate degrees, 60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>education. These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>
>But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>of his book. In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>closed.
>
>While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>
>Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>Lodz. German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>Wisenthal Museum in LA. Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>
>————-
>Jozef Pawlikowski
>
>We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki. We found
>ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>dozens of other places. Why you shrink from searching for your
>ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>
>————
>
>
>Julian Ilicki wrote:
>>
>> W ostatnim czasie poruszalo sie tutaj nieco sprawe granatowej policji.
>> Czy ktos wie jak odbywala sie rekrutacja do tej policji? Czy byla to po
>> prostu policja przedwojenna ktora pod innym dowodztwem i w innych mundurach
>> kontynuowala swoja dzialalnosc z okresu przedwojennego? A jezeli tak, to
>> czy przedwojenni policjanci byli zmuszeni do pozostawania w szeregach
>> granatowej policji (i jakimi sankcjami sie to wymuszalo), cz mogli moze
>> policje opuscic po kampanii wrzesniowej? Czy odbywala sie rekrutacja nowych
>> policjantow podczas okupacji i w jaki sposob? Co sie z tymi ludzmi stalo po
>> wojnie? I skad sie bierze nazwa “granatowa policja” – czy od kolorow
>> mundurow?
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Julian Ilicki, Ph.D. e-mail: [email protected]
>> Uppsala Univ., Dept. of Sociology, Box 821, S-751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
>> voice, office: +46 – 18 4711513 voice, private: +46 – 18 204747
>> fax, Dept.: +46 – 18 4711170 cellular: +46 – 70 7533731
>> http://www.soc.uu.se/staff/julian_i.html
>> http://www.soc.uu.se/~julian/
>Julian Ilicki wrote:
>>
>> W ostatnim czasie poruszalo sie tutaj nieco sprawe granatowej policji.
>> Czy ktos wie jak odbywala sie rekrutacja do tej policji? Czy byla to po
>> prostu policja przedwojenna ktora pod innym dowodztwem i w innych mundurach
>> kontynuowala swoja dzialalnosc z okresu przedwojennego? A jezeli tak, to
>> czy przedwojenni policjanci byli zmuszeni do pozostawania w szeregach
>> granatowej policji (i jakimi sankcjami sie to wymuszalo), czy mogli moze
>> policje opuscic po kampanii wrzesniowej? Czy odbywala sie rekrutacja nowych
>> policjantow podczas okupacji i w jaki sposob? Co sie z tymi ludzmi stalo po
>> wojnie? I skad sie bierze nazwa “granatowa policja” – czy od kolorow
>> mundurow?
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Julian Ilicki, Ph.D. e-mail: [email protected]
>> Uppsala Univ., Dept. of Sociology, Box 821, S-751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
>> voice, office: +46 – 18 4711513 voice, private: +46 – 18 204747
>> fax, Dept.: +46 – 18 4711170 cellular: +46 – 70 7533731
>> http://www.soc.uu.se/staff/julian_i.html
>> http://www.soc.uu.se/~julian/

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On Sun, 06 Sep 1998 06:28:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:53:37 GMT, NSWPP wrote:

>>LARGEST Social Security Fraud in London’s History

>>DAILY MAIL
>>Monday June 15 1998
>>By DAVID WILLIAMS and PETER ALLEN

>>Revealed: The men accused in
>>31.8 million State Benefit Racket

>>THESE are the men being investigated by fraud-busters
>>over an alleged 1.8 million benefits racket. The case was
>>highlighted last month by Welfare Reform Minister Frank
>>Field as part of a crack-down launched by Labour aimed at
>>slashing the £36 billion annual cost of welfare fraud.

>>At the time, no one was named. But the Daily Mail has
>>since tracked down the men at the heart of one of the biggest
>>ever alleged welfare frauds.

>>They are Soloman Kritzler, 39, and Alexander Eichenstein, 38,
>>who are suspected of masterminding the racket from their
>>sprawling homes in a North London suburb.

>>Detectives have questioned the men and four other members of
>>what Mr Field described as ‘an extended family’ about
>>allegations of illegally claiming up to £3,600,000 in housing
>>benefit and income support. They have also been quizzed
>>by officers from a special undercover task force set up by
>>the Department of Social Security (DSS) about a mortgage
>>fraud worth £31.2 million.

>>The investigators are said to be checking on any links with
>>massive welfare rackets in the United States, where members
>>of the family, it has been reported, are alleged to have used
>>fake identities to make bogus benefit claims.

>>Both men hold trusted positions at the centre of the
>>ultra-Orthodox community of Hasidic Jews in Stamford Hill,
>>North London, where details of the unprecedented investigation
>>has caused consider-able anger.

>>At the home he shares with his wife Esther and their daughter,
>>Kritzler protested his innocence and said he would fight
>>to clear his name.

>>’This investigation is without foundation and is a complete
>>waste of taxpayers’ money,’ he insisted. ‘All of our finances
>>are in good order. There has been no fraud.

>>’It may well be that we are the victims of anti-semitism.
>>This seems to be an attack on the law-abiding, decent
>>community which we have here. We just want to be able to
>>get on with our lives in peace.

>>’When we were arrested, a very sick woman was put in a
>>police cell for a night. She was terribly distressed.
>>This should not have been allowed to happen.’

>>Eichenstein was less forthcoming and when approached
>>at his family home, his wife Rivka said: ‘He has no
>>comment to make.’ Eichenstein lists his official home
>>as a rundown flat some three streets from the spacious home
>>where his wife and children live.

>>Partners at the North London chartered accountancy firm
>>which acts as the registered office for the majority of
>>the men’s companies con-firmed that they had been contacted
>>by detectives, and that fraud experts were preparing
>>to examine their records.

>>Fraud investigators are focusing their inquiries on a
>>network of companies and properties associated
>>with the family.

>>All of the properties linked to Kritzler and Eichenstein
>>are within a stone’s throw of each other on the Stamford
>>Hill/Stoke Newington borders. One firm, Acemark Properties
>>Ltd. is listed at Eichenstein’s home.

>>Kritzler has been director of London-based Empire properties
>>since January and Amvex Investments since 1992.

>>The streets of Stamford Hill are an unlikely setting for a
>>major investigation of this kind. The area enjoys a feeling
>>of neighbourly trust long lost in the crime-ridden districts nearby.

>>Police activity is all but non-existent – patrol cars are
>>already overstretched by the criminal activity related
>>to the numerous drug dealers and prostitutes in the
>>southern sector of the Stoke Newington police beat.

>>Both men, together with three women and another man to
>>whom they are related are currently on bail and have to
>>return to Stoke Newington police station at the
>>end of this month.

>>The arrest of the suspects -following simultaneous raids
>>on four houses in April – is seen by Mr Field as the first
>>of a series of high profile swoops by the new DSS team.

>>Ministers have decided that they want to ‘name and shame’
>>convicted benefit cheats in an attempt to foster a
>>’revival of common decencies’.

>>The pilot DSS task force was set up to target organised
>>housing benefit rackets in London – an initiative which
>>the Government now plans to extend right across the country.

>>The team discovered that professional crooks were exploiting
>>loopholes in welfare security to set up fictitious
>>identities and make bogus claims for a wide range of
>>benefit allowances in various parts of London and
>>other cities in Britain.

>>Mr Field is determined to crack down on an area of crime
>>bleeding tens of millions of pounds each week.

>>The Minister said: ‘We are going for the big boys, while
>>at the same time recognising that we have to bring in much
>>tighter controls on what is the single biggest budget in
>>Britain today.’

>>He has admitted that the annual benefits bill of nearly £31
>>billion remains wide open to fraud and corruption despite
>>repeated attempts by Whitehall to crack down on the swindlers.

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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:38:00 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>Came across the article in deja News, so thought it should be
>reconsidered by thinking readers.
>
>
>On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:50:37 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>
>>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism – Don’t Deny It
>>From: [email protected] (Roger Hughes)
>>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation
>
>
>>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
>
>> One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called “Russian
>>Revolution” of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>>them, continue to condemn anyone as “anti-Semitic” who brings up these
>>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>>and lead revolutionary movement.
>
>> First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx,
>>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father’s side.
>>Whether he was a “religous” Jew is of no significant importance, since
>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
>
>> While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will
>>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let’s see the them deny the
>>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that
>>passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
>>during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
>>quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
>>Archives:
>
>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>>general in Moscow, Summers: “Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
>>anti-Jewish feeling growing among population….”
>
>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
>>5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: “Fifty percent of Soviet government in
>>each town consists of Jews of the worst type.”
>
>>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>>Montgomey Shuyler: “It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it’s
>>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type.”
>
>
>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports
>>on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: “…(T)here were 384
>>`commissars’ including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
>>Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to
>>Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
>>Government.”
>
>>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>>Bolshevik party’s executive secretary and – as chairman of the Central
>>Executive Committee – head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign
>>affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and
>>Moisei Uritsky.
>
>>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: “The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little
>>for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
>>trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”
>
>>The Netherlands’ ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>>”Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things.”
>
>>In case anyone thinks I’ve taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>>here’s three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda
>>Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
>>United States Senate, 65th Congress:
>
>>”We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side
>>of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
>>Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that
>>there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
>>showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these
>>men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in
>>this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
>>more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
>>Jews…I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one
>>of its bases is found in the east side of New York…The latest
>>startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
>>startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the northern
>>community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
>>regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
>>out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
>>exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
>>Gordon.
>
>>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on
>>the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
>>often remarked to my sister, ‘Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
>>all looks so Yiddish.’ Up to that time we had see very few Jews, because
>>there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in Petrograd,
>>but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the agitators
>>were Jews.
>
>>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that
>>was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
>>did not take kindly to it.”
>
>>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>>”anti-Semitic” and therefore unreliable, but they’d be wrong. Here’s a
>>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>
>>”The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>>physical forces, become a reality all over the world.” (The American
>>Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
>
>>”There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>>many of the highest ideals of Judaism.” (Jewish Chronicle, London April,
>>4, 1919)
>
>>”Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism.” (The American Bulletin, Rabbi
>>S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>
>>”In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>>the total population.” (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
>
>>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>>so-called “anti-Semitism” a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>>himself:
>
>>”National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
>>characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
>>extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>cannibalism…under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
>>penalty.” (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>
>>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>>virtually untouched.
>
>>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920’s in one of the most vile
>>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, “Jews made up nearly 80 percent
>>of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,” reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
>>American professor of Russian history. . . ”
>
>>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were
>>murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
>>directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
>>Communist bosses.
>
>>Regards,
>>Roger Hughes
>
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Towards a New Consciousness; a New Order; a New People
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> http://www.natall.com
>> http://www.natvan.com
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>> Keep It White Because You Know It’s Right!
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Abusive emails will be posted to the Usenet and ridiculed.
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
-88-

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On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:24:52 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On 21 Apr 1998 14:33:08 GMT, “jjjjjjjjjj” wrote:
>
>>It is a well known fact that at the beginning there were many jewish groups
>>that supported the rise of the Nazis in Germany.
>
>In fact, many JEWS became senior officers in the German Military!!!
>
>
>>This was because the
>>Rabbinical authorities were afraid of Jews who were marrying with Germans
>>and thus diluting the ‘purity’ of the Jewish race. This is a fact that has
>>hardly been touched upon by most Jewish sympathisers and contemporary
>>historians,with the exception of a handful of Jewish intellectuals like
>>Noam Chomsky and Israel Shahak.
>>The sad fact is that Zionism shares much more in common with Nazism than
>>most people think:
>>Both Zionists and Nazis believe in the theory of racial/communal supremacy
>>Both are believers in racial/communal exclusivism
>>Both are exclusive ideologies that are intolerant of Others
>>Both are prepared to use violence to achieve their goals and both are
>>prepared to justify that use of violence
>>Both ideologies ultimately cater to the needs of their own specific and
>>exclusive constituencies- thus what happens to others is of little interest
>>to them.

>From [email protected] Sun Jan 25 17:14:46 1998

Based on previous post from DejaNews archives:

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=315100303&CONTEXT=885769316.1533018197&hitnum=0

On 11 Jan 1998 04:22:13 GMT, [email protected] (BillBrtn) wrote:

>> Adolf Hitler had some Jews in his inner circle

http://www.viamall.com/ihf/653.html

This is the extraordinary story of Henry (Heinz) von Javorsky, a man
who has survived and thrived in many lands and under many regimes
because of his skill with a camera. In Nazi Germany he was able to
make a living–and live–despite having a Jewish grandmother, because
he was a specialist in aerial photography–

>>: Jews that had Iron Crosses and/or had proven their
>>loyalty to Germany were not harassed by the Gestapo, the SS or the SA.

You need to read about the Hindenburg exemption in Lucy Dawidowicz’s
book The War Against The Jews.

Lucy S. Dawidowicz’s book titled THE WAR AGAINST THE JEWS1933-1945 by
Bantam Books Incorporated [#13084-6, 1979 ed].

* April 7, 1933 Hitler’s letter to Hindenburg gave exemptions to
the “Jewish Problem.” “Officials who were already employed as civil
servants on or before August 1, 1914, or who during the World War,
fought at the front for Germany or her allies, or whose fathers or
sons were killed in action in the World War.” (pg 77)
* [“Starting May 4, 1942, the Jews from Germany, Luxembourg, Vienna,
and Prague would be deported, except for the employed among them
and the holders of the Iron Cross or other World War I decorations.
Hitherto, those Jews as a group had been exempt from the
deportations.”]

____________________________

Or how about this?

Hitler’s Jewish Army

“Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim.” –Elie Wiesel
speaking of World War Two.

“If there were Jews in (Hitler’s) armed forces…who served knowing
what was going on and made no attempt to save (lives), well then that
is unacceptable and dishonorable.” –Rabbi Marvin Hier, director of
the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.

Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis
called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s
knowledge and approval.

Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler’s soldiers, including two field
marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight lieutenant
generals, five major generals), “men commanding up to 100,000 troops.”

[ http://infoukes.com/lists/history/1997/08/0004.html ]

In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were
awarded Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain and
practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.

One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch’s Jewish identity circulated
widely in Germany in the 1930s.

In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch’s
birth record and when met with protests about having a Jew in the Nazi
high command, Goering replied, “I decide who is a Jew and who is an
Aryan.”

Rigg’s research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time, who was
in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.

Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted by a German
officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj. Ernst Bloch,
whose father was a Jew.

Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto
police (Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards (kapos).

So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all
Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against
Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

Sources:

William D. Montalbano, “The Jews in Hitler’s Military,” Los Angeles
Times, Dec. 24, 1996.

Tom Tugend, “Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,”
Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.

Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.
http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/engl/zad/zad13.html

Article ” Hitler’s Jewish Army” from:
http://www.hoffman-info.com/jewishnazi.html

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http://www.seattletimes.com/extra/browse/html97/altnazi_040397.html

Copyright © 1997 The Seattle Times Company

Thursday, April 3, 1997

Hitler let `Aryanized’ Jews serve in Nazi armed forces

by Reuters

BONN – Adolf Hitler personally allowed at least 77 army officers of
Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause in
the German Wehrmacht during World War II, an American historian said
yesterday…… [Click the above link to see all of the story.]

See also:

http://www.seattletimes.com/extra/browse/html/holo_122696.html

Copyright © 1996 The Seattle Times Company

Dec. 26, 1996

An eerie part of Holocaust history: Researcher talks to Jews who
served in Nazi army

by William D. Montalbano
Los Angeles Times

LONDON – Sustained by scholarship, peanut butter and a sense of
mission, Bryan Rigg is exploring an eerie and uncharted no man’s land
of Holocaust history.

Rigg interviews former German soldiers of Jewish heritage, some of
them high-ranking officers, who fought for Nazi Germany in World War
II – during the Holocaust, when Germans killed 6 million Jews.

“Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis
called `full Jews’ served in the military with Adolf Hitler’s
knowledge. The Nazis allowed these men to serve but at the same time
exterminated their families,” Rigg said. [Click link above to read the
whole story.]

http://infoukes.com/lists/history/1997/08/0004.html
sven88

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On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:13:12 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On 02 May 1998 16:44:09 GMT, [email protected] (Pan Janusz) wrote:
>
>>Translated from Polish:
>
>>Reprinted from “Polish Weekly” published in Australia.
>
>>Office of the Provincial Prosecutor in Katowice issued the extradition papers
>>for war criminal Samuel Morel. Polish authorities will ask authorities in
>>Israel to extradite Morel.
>>Morel is accused of “cruel treatment and tortures of prisoners and jeopardizing
>>their safety and health.” Using common language, between years 1945-1950 he was
>>beating prisoners, torturing and killing them.
>
>>Morel was born in 1919, from 1940 was a member of Jewish band which was
>>assaulting Polish villages in province of Kielce and robbing Polish farmers. In
>>December of 1942 during one of their assaults the band was destroyed by a
>>detachment of People’s Army ( communist guerillas in nazi occupied Poland).
>>Father and brother of Morel were executed, he alone became a member of the
>>People’s Army. He defected from the group when Red Army was inching toward
>>province of Kielce and became a member of Soviet guerillas.
>>Soon he became an officer of UB (communist Security Office in Soviet occupied
>>Poland).
>>In the beginning of 1945 he was sent to the region of Silesia and received the
>>nomination on the camp commandant for Germans in Swietochlowice.
>> About his crime committed in this camp wrote, among others, an American
>>journalist John Sack in his book “Eye for an eye” ( for this book John Sack who
>>is a Jew was decalred an antisemite).
>>In the end of December of 1945 Morel had been transferred and became a warden
>>of the UB prison in Opole. There he tortured Poles and Germans. He also
>>tortured minors in the labor camp in Jaworzno which he was a commandant between
>>1946-1950. He was fired from this post, for mortality among prisoners was too
>>big.
>
>>In 1991 he was interviewed by a prosecutor, panicked and fled to Israel.
>>After spending all his money, within few months he returned to Poland, but soon
>>he surfaced in Sweden where he demanded political asylum argumenting that he
>>was persecuted in Poland because he was a Jew. His plea was rejected and Morel
>>again came back to Poland.
>>On 10th of July Office of the Provincial Prosecutor in Katowice issued arrest
>>warrant. They were late. Morel again fled to Israel.
>>His retirement pention is being picked up by the wife of the criminal.
>>Since 1996 Morel is on the most wanted list of the INTERPOL.
>>According to international law he should be arrested by Israeli police and
>>charged by Israel with war crimes.
>>He should…..
>
>>Translated by Janusz Styber
>

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On Sun, 06 Sep 1998 06:28:05 GMT, [email protected]id.org wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:53:37 GMT, NSWPP wrote:

>>LARGEST Social Security Fraud in London’s History

>>DAILY MAIL
>>Monday June 15 1998
>>By DAVID WILLIAMS and PETER ALLEN

>>Revealed: The men accused in
>>31.8 million State Benefit Racket

>>THESE are the men being investigated by fraud-busters
>>over an alleged 1.8 million benefits racket. The case was
>>highlighted last month by Welfare Reform Minister Frank
>>Field as part of a crack-down launched by Labour aimed at
>>slashing the £36 billion annual cost of welfare fraud.

>>At the time, no one was named. But the Daily Mail has
>>since tracked down the men at the heart of one of the biggest
>>ever alleged welfare frauds.

>>They are Soloman Kritzler, 39, and Alexander Eichenstein, 38,
>>who are suspected of masterminding the racket from their
>>sprawling homes in a North London suburb.

>>Detectives have questioned the men and four other members of
>>what Mr Field described as ‘an extended family’ about
>>allegations of illegally claiming up to £3,600,000 in housing
>>benefit and income support. They have also been quizzed
>>by officers from a special undercover task force set up by
>>the Department of Social Security (DSS) about a mortgage
>>fraud worth £31.2 million.

>>The investigators are said to be checking on any links with
>>massive welfare rackets in the United States, where members
>>of the family, it has been reported, are alleged to have used
>>fake identities to make bogus benefit claims.

>>Both men hold trusted positions at the centre of the
>>ultra-Orthodox community of Hasidic Jews in Stamford Hill,
>>North London, where details of the unprecedented investigation
>>has caused consider-able anger.

>>At the home he shares with his wife Esther and their daughter,
>>Kritzler protested his innocence and said he would fight
>>to clear his name.

>>’This investigation is without foundation and is a complete
>>waste of taxpayers’ money,’ he insisted. ‘All of our finances
>>are in good order. There has been no fraud.

>>’It may well be that we are the victims of anti-semitism.
>>This seems to be an attack on the law-abiding, decent
>>community which we have here. We just want to be able to
>>get on with our lives in peace.

>>’When we were arrested, a very sick woman was put in a
>>police cell for a night. She was terribly distressed.
>>This should not have been allowed to happen.’

>>Eichenstein was less forthcoming and when approached
>>at his family home, his wife Rivka said: ‘He has no
>>comment to make.’ Eichenstein lists his official home
>>as a rundown flat some three streets from the spacious home
>>where his wife and children live.

>>Partners at the North London chartered accountancy firm
>>which acts as the registered office for the majority of
>>the men’s companies con-firmed that they had been contacted
>>by detectives, and that fraud experts were preparing
>>to examine their records.

>>Fraud investigators are focusing their inquiries on a
>>network of companies and properties associated
>>with the family.

>>All of the properties linked to Kritzler and Eichenstein
>>are within a stone’s throw of each other on the Stamford
>>Hill/Stoke Newington borders. One firm, Acemark Properties
>>Ltd. is listed at Eichenstein’s home.

>>Kritzler has been director of London-based Empire properties
>>since January and Amvex Investments since 1992.

>>The streets of Stamford Hill are an unlikely setting for a
>>major investigation of this kind. The area enjoys a feeling
>>of neighbourly trust long lost in the crime-ridden districts nearby.

>>Police activity is all but non-existent – patrol cars are
>>already overstretched by the criminal activity related
>>to the numerous drug dealers and prostitutes in the
>>southern sector of the Stoke Newington police beat.

>>Both men, together with three women and another man to
>>whom they are related are currently on bail and have to
>>return to Stoke Newington police station at the
>>end of this month.

>>The arrest of the suspects -following simultaneous raids
>>on four houses in April – is seen by Mr Field as the first
>>of a series of high profile swoops by the new DSS team.

>>Ministers have decided that they want to ‘name and shame’
>>convicted benefit cheats in an attempt to foster a
>>’revival of common decencies’.

>>The pilot DSS task force was set up to target organised
>>housing benefit rackets in London – an initiative which
>>the Government now plans to extend right across the country.

>>The team discovered that professional crooks were exploiting
>>loopholes in welfare security to set up fictitious
>>identities and make bogus claims for a wide range of
>>benefit allowances in various parts of London and
>>other cities in Britain.

>>Mr Field is determined to crack down on an area of crime
>>bleeding tens of millions of pounds each week.

>>The Minister said: ‘We are going for the big boys, while
>>at the same time recognising that we have to bring in much
>>tighter controls on what is the single biggest budget in
>>Britain today.’

>>He has admitted that the annual benefits bill of nearly £31
>>billion remains wide open to fraud and corruption despite
>>repeated attempts by Whitehall to crack down on the swindlers.

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On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 19:09:41 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:28:22 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
> wrote:
>>jacob bekker wrote:
>>> [email protected] wrote:

>>> > One MUST question the alleged figure of the damn JEWS as to how many
>>> > allegedly died in WWII.

>>> Is there no wonder how the dumn Jews have so big influence in the world?

>>> J.B.

>>=================
>>Presence of Jews in Hitler’s army clearly rules out the story of
>>exterminatinon. Being in high places they would know that the story is
>>true and would alert the world through their relatives.

>>They have not done it … little chance that there was Jewish genocide.
>>Moreover, there are no bones of 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the
>>chance to cremate.

>>Why Jews are smart and there is no doubt about it?

>>Jew are the oldest people on earth with practical alphabet. Being so
>>for they became the record keepers and accountants of the world. While
>>Slavic women looked at Slavic mens muscles in order to be sure that he
>>will have the strenght to plow and feed her family Jewish maiden looked
>>in Jewish boys for brains to sustain them.

>>Moreover Catholicizm caused that the smartest boys especially in peasant
>>families became priests and than the genes of smartnes did not
>>reproduced. In Rabbis families was just the opposite, the smartest boy
>>in the shtetle was gettin hand of the smart rabbis daughters.

>>But I do not worry about that. Mere forty years of education given to
>>the Slavs admixed with Jewish apparatus of terror and the Slavs managed
>>to launch Sputnik and man space station Mir.

>>Western Europeans were unable to do it.
>>Pawlikowski

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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:16:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:42:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>gangster!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin’s participation in war crimes
>>>
>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>
>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>not been used yet.
>>>
>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook “to
>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.” A Signatory may
>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>
>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world’s
>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States’ legal obligations to do so.
>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>
>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>
>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>1977, as ‘grave breaches’, the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>prosecute.
>>>
>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>
>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>
>>>”1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately.” The order was signed “Yitzhak
>>>R[abin].”
>>>
>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>”The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949″ by Israeli
>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo’s book “The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland”, Quartet Books,
>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>
>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin’s implication in
>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin’s orders. As a prelude to
>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile’. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>planned ‘transfer’ policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>master plan of “ethnical cleansing”.
>>>
>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>
>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as ‘war crimes’.
>>>
>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>> of their Inhabitants
>>>
>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>
>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>
>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>prohibit “at any time and in any place whatsoever….collective
>>>punishments”. It seems that the destruction of these villages – every
>>>single house in them – constitutes ‘collective punishment’ within the
>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>
>>> 3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>> Youngsters
>>>
>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by “force, might,
>>>beatings”. More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>
>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>these practices (i.e. Ha’aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin’s role in these
>>>policies.
>>>
>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) “inhuman treatment….wilfully
>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health”. Protocol I
>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>the acts which remain “prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:”: “Violence to
>>>the….physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular….(iii)
>>>corporal punishment.”
>>>
>>> 4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>> Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>
>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin’s war:
>>>”Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>southern Lebanon. (…) Rabin’s War – Operation Accountability – has killed
>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>Beirut. (…) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(…) About
>>>80 villages have been hit.”. According to the London-based Middle East
>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the “majority of casualties were
>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>around 100,000.”
>>>
>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was “expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon ‘uninhabitable’ and to create a
>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel’s will (…)”
>>>
>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), “some 400,000
>>>people – mainly Shi’ite Muslims – fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves”.
>>>
>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>specifies as a ‘grave breach’ (war crime) “making the civilian population
>>>or individual civilians the object of attack” as well as “launching an
>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects”. Further details are provided
>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a ‘grave breach’ of international
>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>
>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>
>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>
>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>their country’s sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>
>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>
>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>of hostilities.
>>>
>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>
>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>
>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>
>>>Mr. Rabin’s Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>
>>>As to Mr. Rabin’s personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>and 1967).
>>>
>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>”to break the bones” of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by “force, might, beatings” and
>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>
>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel’s Prime
>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin’s primary responsibility for this act.
>>>
>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>
>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>described as ‘war crimes’ as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>view, only the most outrageous types of ‘war crimes’, as committed in World
>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>Conventions.
>>>
>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>the “deportation … for any … purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>occupied territory” as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>”deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>population….when such acts are done….in connection with any crime
>>>against peace or any war crime”, as Crime against Humanity.
>>>
>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>process of law to determine a defendant’s culpability and punishment). The
>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes ‘corporal punishment’, although not as
>>>a ‘grave breach’. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>
>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the ‘grave
>>>breaches’ (war crimes), if such attacks were committed “wilfully, in
>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>serious injury to body or health”.
>>>
>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>
>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>then, state:
>>>
>>>”The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law”
>>>(Principle III. “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him”.
>>>(Principle IV).
>>>
>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>such reservations.
>>>
>>>Conclusion
>>>
>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>short legal discussion.
>>>
>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived – legally – by
>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today’s world, it
>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>circumstances.
>>>
>>>Human rights’ and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin’s
>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>found.
>>
>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser

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On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 19:09:41 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:28:22 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
> wrote:
>>jacob bekker wrote:
>>> [email protected] wrote:

>>> > One MUST question the alleged figure of the damn JEWS as to how many
>>> > allegedly died in WWII.

>>> Is there no wonder how the dumn Jews have so big influence in the world?

>>> J.B.

>>=================
>>Presence of Jews in Hitler’s army clearly rules out the story of
>>exterminatinon. Being in high places they would know that the story is
>>true and would alert the world through their relatives.

>>They have not done it … little chance that there was Jewish genocide.
>>Moreover, there are no bones of 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the
>>chance to cremate.

>>Why Jews are smart and there is no doubt about it?

>>Jew are the oldest people on earth with practical alphabet. Being so
>>for they became the record keepers and accountants of the world. While
>>Slavic women looked at Slavic mens muscles in order to be sure that he
>>will have the strenght to plow and feed her family Jewish maiden looked
>>in Jewish boys for brains to sustain them.

>>Moreover Catholicizm caused that the smartest boys especially in peasant
>>families became priests and than the genes of smartnes did not
>>reproduced. In Rabbis families was just the opposite, the smartest boy
>>in the shtetle was gettin hand of the smart rabbis daughters.

>>But I do not worry about that. Mere forty years of education given to
>>the Slavs admixed with Jewish apparatus of terror and the Slavs managed
>>to launch Sputnik and man space station Mir.

>>Western Europeans were unable to do it.
>>Pawlikowski

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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:16:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:42:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>gangster!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin’s participation in war crimes
>>>
>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>
>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>not been used yet.
>>>
>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook “to
>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.” A Signatory may
>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>
>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world’s
>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States’ legal obligations to do so.
>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>
>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>
>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>1977, as ‘grave breaches’, the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>prosecute.
>>>
>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>
>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>
>>>”1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately.” The order was signed “Yitzhak
>>>R[abin].”
>>>
>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>”The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949″ by Israeli
>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo’s book “The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland”, Quartet Books,
>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>
>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin’s implication in
>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin’s orders. As a prelude to
>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile’. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>planned ‘transfer’ policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>master plan of “ethnical cleansing”.
>>>
>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>
>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as ‘war crimes’.
>>>
>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>> of their Inhabitants
>>>
>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>
>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>
>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>prohibit “at any time and in any place whatsoever….collective
>>>punishments”. It seems that the destruction of these villages – every
>>>single house in them – constitutes ‘collective punishment’ within the
>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>
>>> 3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>> Youngsters
>>>
>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by “force, might,
>>>beatings”. More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>
>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>these practices (i.e. Ha’aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin’s role in these
>>>policies.
>>>
>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) “inhuman treatment….wilfully
>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health”. Protocol I
>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>the acts which remain “prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:”: “Violence to
>>>the….physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular….(iii)
>>>corporal punishment.”
>>>
>>> 4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>> Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>
>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin’s war:
>>>”Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>southern Lebanon. (…) Rabin’s War – Operation Accountability – has killed
>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>Beirut. (…) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(…) About
>>>80 villages have been hit.”. According to the London-based Middle East
>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the “majority of casualties were
>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>around 100,000.”
>>>
>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was “expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon ‘uninhabitable’ and to create a
>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel’s will (…)”
>>>
>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), “some 400,000
>>>people – mainly Shi’ite Muslims – fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves”.
>>>
>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>specifies as a ‘grave breach’ (war crime) “making the civilian population
>>>or individual civilians the object of attack” as well as “launching an
>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects”. Further details are provided
>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a ‘grave breach’ of international
>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>
>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>
>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>
>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>their country’s sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>
>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>
>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>of hostilities.
>>>
>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>
>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>
>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>
>>>Mr. Rabin’s Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>
>>>As to Mr. Rabin’s personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>and 1967).
>>>
>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>”to break the bones” of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by “force, might, beatings” and
>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>
>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel’s Prime
>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin’s primary responsibility for this act.
>>>
>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>
>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>described as ‘war crimes’ as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>view, only the most outrageous types of ‘war crimes’, as committed in World
>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>Conventions.
>>>
>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>the “deportation … for any … purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>occupied territory” as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>”deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>population….when such acts are done….in connection with any crime
>>>against peace or any war crime”, as Crime against Humanity.
>>>
>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>process of law to determine a defendant’s culpability and punishment). The
>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes ‘corporal punishment’, although not as
>>>a ‘grave breach’. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>
>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the ‘grave
>>>breaches’ (war crimes), if such attacks were committed “wilfully, in
>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>serious injury to body or health”.
>>>
>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>
>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>then, state:
>>>
>>>”The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law”
>>>(Principle III. “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him”.
>>>(Principle IV).
>>>
>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>such reservations.
>>>
>>>Conclusion
>>>
>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>short legal discussion.
>>>
>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived – legally – by
>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today’s world, it
>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>circumstances.
>>>
>>>Human rights’ and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin’s
>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>found.
>>
>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser

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On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 19:09:41 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:28:22 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
> wrote:
>>jacob bekker wrote:
>>> [email protected] wrote:

>>> > One MUST question the alleged figure of the damn JEWS as to how many
>>> > allegedly died in WWII.

>>> Is there no wonder how the dumn Jews have so big influence in the world?

>>> J.B.

>>=================
>>Presence of Jews in Hitler’s army clearly rules out the story of
>>exterminatinon. Being in high places they would know that the story is
>>true and would alert the world through their relatives.

>>They have not done it … little chance that there was Jewish genocide.
>>Moreover, there are no bones of 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the
>>chance to cremate.

>>Why Jews are smart and there is no doubt about it?

>>Jew are the oldest people on earth with practical alphabet. Being so
>>for they became the record keepers and accountants of the world. While
>>Slavic women looked at Slavic mens muscles in order to be sure that he
>>will have the strenght to plow and feed her family Jewish maiden looked
>>in Jewish boys for brains to sustain them.

>>Moreover Catholicizm caused that the smartest boys especially in peasant
>>families became priests and than the genes of smartnes did not
>>reproduced. In Rabbis families was just the opposite, the smartest boy
>>in the shtetle was gettin hand of the smart rabbis daughters.

>>But I do not worry about that. Mere forty years of education given to
>>the Slavs admixed with Jewish apparatus of terror and the Slavs managed
>>to launch Sputnik and man space station Mir.

>>Western Europeans were unable to do it.
>>Pawlikowski

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On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:24:52 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On 21 Apr 1998 14:33:08 GMT, “jjjjjjjjjj” wrote:
>
>>It is a well known fact that at the beginning there were many jewish groups
>>that supported the rise of the Nazis in Germany.
>
>In fact, many JEWS became senior officers in the German Military!!!
>
>
>>This was because the
>>Rabbinical authorities were afraid of Jews who were marrying with Germans
>>and thus diluting the ‘purity’ of the Jewish race. This is a fact that has
>>hardly been touched upon by most Jewish sympathisers and contemporary
>>historians,with the exception of a handful of Jewish intellectuals like
>>Noam Chomsky and Israel Shahak.
>>The sad fact is that Zionism shares much more in common with Nazism than
>>most people think:
>>Both Zionists and Nazis believe in the theory of racial/communal supremacy
>>Both are believers in racial/communal exclusivism
>>Both are exclusive ideologies that are intolerant of Others
>>Both are prepared to use violence to achieve their goals and both are
>>prepared to justify that use of violence
>>Both ideologies ultimately cater to the needs of their own specific and
>>exclusive constituencies- thus what happens to others is of little interest
>>to them.

>From [email protected] Sun Jan 25 17:14:46 1998

Based on previous post from DejaNews archives:

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=315100303&CONTEXT=885769316.1533018197&hitnum=0

On 11 Jan 1998 04:22:13 GMT, [email protected] (BillBrtn) wrote:

>> Adolf Hitler had some Jews in his inner circle

http://www.viamall.com/ihf/653.html

This is the extraordinary story of Henry (Heinz) von Javorsky, a man
who has survived and thrived in many lands and under many regimes
because of his skill with a camera. In Nazi Germany he was able to
make a living–and live–despite having a Jewish grandmother, because
he was a specialist in aerial photography–

>>: Jews that had Iron Crosses and/or had proven their
>>loyalty to Germany were not harassed by the Gestapo, the SS or the SA.

You need to read about the Hindenburg exemption in Lucy Dawidowicz’s
book The War Against The Jews.

Lucy S. Dawidowicz’s book titled THE WAR AGAINST THE JEWS1933-1945 by
Bantam Books Incorporated [#13084-6, 1979 ed].

* April 7, 1933 Hitler’s letter to Hindenburg gave exemptions to
the “Jewish Problem.” “Officials who were already employed as civil
servants on or before August 1, 1914, or who during the World War,
fought at the front for Germany or her allies, or whose fathers or
sons were killed in action in the World War.” (pg 77)
* [“Starting May 4, 1942, the Jews from Germany, Luxembourg, Vienna,
and Prague would be deported, except for the employed among them
and the holders of the Iron Cross or other World War I decorations.
Hitherto, those Jews as a group had been exempt from the
deportations.”]

____________________________

Or how about this?

Hitler’s Jewish Army

“Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim.” –Elie Wiesel
speaking of World War Two.

“If there were Jews in (Hitler’s) armed forces…who served knowing
what was going on and made no attempt to save (lives), well then that
is unacceptable and dishonorable.” –Rabbi Marvin Hier, director of
the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.

Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis
called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s
knowledge and approval.

Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler’s soldiers, including two field
marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight lieutenant
generals, five major generals), “men commanding up to 100,000 troops.”

[ http://infoukes.com/lists/history/1997/08/0004.html ]

In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were
awarded Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain and
practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.

One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch’s Jewish identity circulated
widely in Germany in the 1930s.

In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch’s
birth record and when met with protests about having a Jew in the Nazi
high command, Goering replied, “I decide who is a Jew and who is an
Aryan.”

Rigg’s research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time, who was
in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.

Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted by a German
officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj. Ernst Bloch,
whose father was a Jew.

Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto
police (Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards (kapos).

So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all
Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against
Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

Sources:

William D. Montalbano, “The Jews in Hitler’s Military,” Los Angeles
Times, Dec. 24, 1996.

Tom Tugend, “Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,”
Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.

Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.
http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/engl/zad/zad13.html

Article ” Hitler’s Jewish Army” from:
http://www.hoffman-info.com/jewishnazi.html

———————————-

http://www.seattletimes.com/extra/browse/html97/altnazi_040397.html

Copyright © 1997 The Seattle Times Company

Thursday, April 3, 1997

Hitler let `Aryanized’ Jews serve in Nazi armed forces

by Reuters

BONN – Adolf Hitler personally allowed at least 77 army officers of
Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause in
the German Wehrmacht during World War II, an American historian said
yesterday…… [Click the above link to see all of the story.]

See also:

http://www.seattletimes.com/extra/browse/html/holo_122696.html

Copyright © 1996 The Seattle Times Company

Dec. 26, 1996

An eerie part of Holocaust history: Researcher talks to Jews who
served in Nazi army

by William D. Montalbano
Los Angeles Times

LONDON – Sustained by scholarship, peanut butter and a sense of
mission, Bryan Rigg is exploring an eerie and uncharted no man’s land
of Holocaust history.

Rigg interviews former German soldiers of Jewish heritage, some of
them high-ranking officers, who fought for Nazi Germany in World War
II – during the Holocaust, when Germans killed 6 million Jews.

“Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis
called `full Jews’ served in the military with Adolf Hitler’s
knowledge. The Nazis allowed these men to serve but at the same time
exterminated their families,” Rigg said. [Click link above to read the
whole story.]

http://infoukes.com/lists/history/1997/08/0004.html
sven88

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On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:56:46 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
trying to stimulate more interest in this topic,

On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:45:47 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Fri, 03 Jul 1998 15:00:35 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>On 3 Jul 1998 06:38:05 GMT, wrote:
>>
Orest Slepokura wrote:
…fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews…

Here is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.

The Kastner Case

The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
involving a Jew – Rudolf Kastner.

Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
are generally under the impression that there is some ‘controversy’
about negotiations he undertook for ‘the purchase of Jewish lives for
money and military equipment’, but that he was ‘fully rehabilitated’
by the Supreme Court of Israel.

The Accusations

Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
Herald, he wrote:

I am a Jew. In spite of that – indeed because of that – I accuse
certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.

This group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
silence.

Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz – the
number is still on my arm – I compiled careful statistics of the
exterminations.

I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
chambers…Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, ‘I know of your
plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.’

Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
bargaining end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars.
With this little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine…(Ben
Hecht, Perfidy, pp261-2)

These accusations are confirmed by the ‘Eichmann Confessions’
published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
elsewhere…In obedience to Himmler’s directive I now concentrated on
negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest…Among
them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from
resisting deportation – and even keep order in the collection camps –
if I could close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young
Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.

It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was
not too high for me.

We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

Dr. Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for a select group
of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel…

>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>>thousand
>>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal ‘You
>>can
>>have the others’, he would say, ‘but let me have this group here’. And
>>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the
>>deportation
>>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews…That was the
>>’gentleman’s agreement’ I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>
>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to ‘the purchase
>>of
>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment’.
>>
>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>
>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>>than
>>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent
>>Zionist
>>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>> The Verdict
>>
>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>>panel
>>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel’s District Court of
>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>>The
>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>>studied
>>carefully.
>>
>>The masses of Jews from Hungary’s ghettos obediently boarded the
>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>>confidence
>>in the false information that they were being transferred to
>>Kenyermeze.
>>
>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>>they
>>not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>
>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>>others
>>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the
>>Jews.
>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>>of
>>Jewish leaders.
>>
>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>>leaders
>>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>>spreading
>>such false information and did not protest.
>>
>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local ‘rescue work’.
>>
>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>>hampering
>>the deportation orders.
>>
>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>>dozen
>>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower
>>these few
>>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>
>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>>Jews in
>>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>
>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>>their
>>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders
>>who
>>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>>deportations…these
>>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride
>>to
>>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>
>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>>extermination
>>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in
>>Budapest
>>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this
>>as a
>>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured,
>>dependent on
>>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its
>>fatal
>>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the
>>Jewish
>>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the
>>catastrophe.
>>
>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>>Jewry
>>and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>
>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>>task
>>easier.
>>
>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>
>>chiefs.
>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>underground.
>>
>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>>Nazis
>>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S.
>>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>>Rescue
>>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>
>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>>these
>>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the
>>extermination plan of the killers ?
>>
>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner’s Rescue
>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>>friends
>>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary – their total
>>annihilation.
>>
>>The Nazi’s patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>>six
>>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>>to him
>>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a
>>great
>>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that
>>would
>>also justify his conduct – his political negotiation with Nazis and
>>the
>>Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>
>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>>soul to
>>the German Satan.
>>
>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>>order
>>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>>between
>>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation
>>into
>>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis
>>promised
>>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian
>>Jews
>>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative
>>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that
>>Kastner
>>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp
>>and
>>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents
>>and
>>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out
>>from
>>the book of the living.
>>
>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner’s collaboration and
>>put
>>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not
>>only
>>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>
>>All of Kastner’s answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>>to
>>evade this truth.
>>
>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>>wall
>>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly
>>to
>>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53;
>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem,
>>June 22,
>>1955).
>>
>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>>’new
>>line’ of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>
>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the ‘new line’
>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>
>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>Jews.
>>
>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>’rescue’ work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>>of
>>Kastner’s involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>criminals.
>>
>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>>Kastner
>>also needed an alibi for himself.
>>
>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>>Kastner’s
>>duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the S.S.
>>
>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>>the
>>Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>
>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>>were
>>coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler”.
>>
>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>
>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>>when
>>he denied he had interceded in Becher’s behalf. Moreover, he concealed
>>the
>>important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>
>>As to the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, it was enough for the
>>defense to
>>provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to
>>remove
>>Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>
>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>criminal.
>>
>>The lies in the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, the lies in his
>>testimony
>>concerning the document, and Kastner’s knowing participation in the
>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last
>>minute
>>fake rescue activities – all these combine to show one overwhelming
>>truth –
>>that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>
>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>>stood up
>>against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has declared in
>>the
>>affidavit.
>>
>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>>but to
>>serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth and no
>>good
>>faith in Kastner’s testimony, ‘I never doubted for one moment the good
>>intention of good Becher’.
>>
>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>>his
>>own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>>World
>>Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>>exaggerate
>>when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because of his
>>personal
>>intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the
>>contradictions
>>and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were sufficient to
>>annul the value of his statements and to prove that there was no good
>>faith
>>in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal. Kastner’s
>>affidavit
>>in favor of Becher was a wilfully false affidavit given in favor of a
>>war
>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>
>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>>his
>>statements.”
>>
>>Judge Halevi’s verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>>libel
>>against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproved
>>accusation – that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>>ordered
>>the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli pounds
>>as
>>court costs.
>>
>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>>pointed to
>>much more than that.
>>
>>But the story does not end there.
>>
>>The Reaction
>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha’am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>
>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>>know now
>>clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder” (23 June 1955)
>>
>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>Government of Israel.
>>
>>As the evening paper *Yedi’ot Aharonot* said:
>>
>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>political and national collapse – as a result of what such a trial may
>>disclose.” (23 June 1955)
>>
>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>>instead
>>it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal
>>libel.
>>
>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>>government
>>announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed – an appeal filed.
>>What
>>exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>>appeal on
>>a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>
>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>>of
>>Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>>was
>>defending Kastner so strongly:
>>
>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>>National
>>Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here
>>in
>>this court to defend the representative of our national institutions.”
>>(Hecht, p. 268)
>>
>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner’s collaboration
>>was
>>not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>leadership.
>>
>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>>But
>>the story gets worse.
>>
>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>>
>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>>the
>>name
>>of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point
>>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not ‘fully
>>rehabilitated’.
>>
>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>>court –
>>that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being ‘fully
>>rehabilitated’.
>>
>>
>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>>these
>>facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two,
>>found
>>that Kastner’s actions were morally justifiable and convicted
>>Greenwald of
>>criminal libel for calling this ‘collaboration’.
>>
>>Kastner’s actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>>the
>>defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that
>>prove
>>conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>
>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>>Kastner.
>>They joined him.
>>
>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>Chesin:
>>
>>….What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>>Kluj,
>>people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the
>>end of
>>their journey…Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying, ‘The
>>Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree’. This
>>vivid
>>description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>>Hungarian Jews, ‘This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without
>>any
>>ideological Jewish backbone’ (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in
>>Budapest,
>>protocol 465).
>>
>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, ‘The
>>Jews
>>of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>>neither
>>physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>>against the deportation scheme’…From this point of view no rescue
>>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to
>>the
>>Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on can
>>properly
>>conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>
>>….And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>>when
>>he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result
>>from
>>his great despair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community.
>>Even
>>then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration and
>>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>>Kastner’s efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale…And
>>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and
>>say
>>that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few
>>Jews
>>from Hell – this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their
>>plan to
>>exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>
>>Even if, through these activities of his – or rather, his omission –
>>the
>>extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question
>>is not
>>whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting
>>its
>>doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of
>>his
>>efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he
>>disclose
>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>>everybody
>>will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the
>>blood of
>>the few bring if everybody is to perish?…As I said, I am not arguing
>>with
>>the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish
>>District
>>Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that
>>his
>>findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived
>>at.
>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>>extermination
>>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both
>>from a
>>moral and public point of view…
>>
>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>>who
>>boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination,
>>one
>>has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and
>>Marton,
>>and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an
>>hour of
>>crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not
>>warn
>>and did not cry out of the coming danger….
>>
>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>>Court
>>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in
>>Hungary
>>during the last war.” (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>
>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner’s contempt for the
>>Hungarian
>>Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what
>>many
>>other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did – concealing their
>>knowledge of
>>the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist ‘leaders’ boarded a different
>>train for Palestine.
>>
>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>>
>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>>Silberg:
>>
>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>>the
>>leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have
>>a
>>clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing
>>here
>>with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>>guilt of others….
>>
>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>>an
>>opinion….’Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray
>>of
>>hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>>result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret of the
>>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the
>>few –
>>therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of
>>collaborating
>>with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews, even
>>though, in
>>fact, he brought about its result.’
>>
>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>>such
>>an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>>cooperation
>>with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and without the
>>knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the
>>decisive
>>consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from the
>>testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of
>>the
>>Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been
>>able
>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>>concealment of
>>children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money, bribery,
>>etc. –
>>and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds of
>>thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete
>>certainty
>>and with an extreme ‘no’ the efficiency of all the many and varied
>>rescue
>>ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does
>>he
>>decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation
>>of the
>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>>as
>>his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to
>>a
>>claim of such good faith…
>>
>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>>die
>>so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will
>>come
>>out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an
>>individual
>>erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other
>>patients. He
>>is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>
>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>>complete
>>loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue
>>operation
>>could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>
>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>>was
>>put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>>Kastner
>>himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make
>>this
>>claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report
>>to the
>>Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in
>>the
>>countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue,
>>and
>>the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed
>>the
>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>>resisting
>>the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and
>>activity.
>>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing…
>>
>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>
>>A. That the Nazis didn’t want to have a great revolt – nor small
>>revolts,
>>and their passion was to have the extermination machine working
>>smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner from
>>the best source – from Eichmann himself – And he had additional proofs
>>of
>>that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics
>>which
>>were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>>
>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with – or
>>the
>>escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>>murder.
>>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
>>evidence for this.
>>
>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>>of
>>the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>
>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner…He who is capable of
>>rescuing
>>this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great war
>>criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his eyes…I couldn’t
>>base
>>the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it
>>is
>>attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws
>>retroactive
>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>conclusion.”(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>
>>
>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>>their
>>attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have
>>been
>>under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate
>>collaboration
>>with the Nazis.
>>
>>But Judge Silberg’s judgement was that of a minority.
>>
>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>
>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>>with
>>the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>
>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>>gave
>>on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to
>>remain
>>a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with
>>an
>>estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>
>>Becher has even used his certification as a ‘good’ SS officer to give
>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>>West
>>Germany.
>>
>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>>the
>>Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>>pressure
>>that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for fear of
>>what
>>might come out.
>>
>>Likewise, none of Kastner’s associates on the Zionist Relief and
>>Rescue
>>Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on
>>trial .
>>Let alone the hundreds of ‘prominents’ who helped Kastner to reassure
>>the
>>Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz,
>>in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them eventually to
>>Palestine.
>>
>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>>was
>>approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership
>>in
>>Palestine. He is ‘now dead’. Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March
>>1957
>>he was shot by Zeev Eckstein – immediately after the appeal hearings
>>were
>>concluded, and before the judgement ‘rehabilitating’ him was
>>delivered.
>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>>of the
>>Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another ‘fantastic
>>allegation’ no doubt; but admitted in court during the murder trial).

sven88

On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:26:31 GMT, igal_pissmaker wrote:

>: In article <[email protected]>,
>: [email protected] (PONIECKA) wrote:
>:Exactly what is your definition of “collaborators” ?
>
>
>Good question. Despite it deserved a separate thread (maybe I will start
>one)let’s for know put it here: Nazi criminals – ones who directly killed,
>maimed,
>gave orders and oversaw the genocide. Collaborators – ones who helped nazi
>machine run smoothly (volunteers) – it maybe railway station managers, or
>auxilarry police who did not do the dirty work, armed vehicle repairmen and so
>on.
>
>Now the intereting question: How we will qualify women who volunteerly were
>slipping with enemy soldiers providing them comphort and moral support ( that
>kind was everywhere – in France, Belgium, Poland as well – how many of them
>find asylum across the ocean with american boys???), instead of giving them
>hard time willingly transmitting STD or something – to make life of occupants
>miserable. I do remember the roumors that one of resistant female fighters in
>belorussia manage to destroy fighting ability of roughly the batallion of
>enemies in that manner. She was considered to be awarded the order of Lenin
>for that, but unfortunately died of very same war struggle consequences.
>I=P
>
>
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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:38:00 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>Came across the article in deja News, so thought it should be
>reconsidered by thinking readers.
>
>
>On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:50:37 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>
>>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism – Don’t Deny It
>>From: [email protected] (Roger Hughes)
>>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation
>
>
>>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
>
>> One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called “Russian
>>Revolution” of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>>them, continue to condemn anyone as “anti-Semitic” who brings up these
>>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>>and lead revolutionary movement.
>
>> First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx,
>>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father’s side.
>>Whether he was a “religous” Jew is of no significant importance, since
>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
>
>> While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will
>>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let’s see the them deny the
>>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that
>>passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
>>during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
>>quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
>>Archives:
>
>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>>general in Moscow, Summers: “Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
>>anti-Jewish feeling growing among population….”
>
>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
>>5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: “Fifty percent of Soviet government in
>>each town consists of Jews of the worst type.”
>
>>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>>Montgomey Shuyler: “It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it’s
>>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type.”
>
>
>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports
>>on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: “…(T)here were 384
>>`commissars’ including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
>>Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to
>>Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
>>Government.”
>
>>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>>Bolshevik party’s executive secretary and – as chairman of the Central
>>Executive Committee – head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign
>>affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and
>>Moisei Uritsky.
>
>>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: “The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little
>>for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
>>trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”
>
>>The Netherlands’ ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>>”Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things.”
>
>>In case anyone thinks I’ve taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>>here’s three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda
>>Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
>>United States Senate, 65th Congress:
>
>>”We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side
>>of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
>>Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that
>>there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
>>showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these
>>men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in
>>this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
>>more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
>>Jews…I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one
>>of its bases is found in the east side of New York…The latest
>>startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
>>startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the northern
>>community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
>>regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
>>out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
>>exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
>>Gordon.
>
>>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on
>>the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
>>often remarked to my sister, ‘Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
>>all looks so Yiddish.’ Up to that time we had see very few Jews, because
>>there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in Petrograd,
>>but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the agitators
>>were Jews.
>
>>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that
>>was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
>>did not take kindly to it.”
>
>>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>>”anti-Semitic” and therefore unreliable, but they’d be wrong. Here’s a
>>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>
>>”The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>>physical forces, become a reality all over the world.” (The American
>>Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
>
>>”There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>>many of the highest ideals of Judaism.” (Jewish Chronicle, London April,
>>4, 1919)
>
>>”Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism.” (The American Bulletin, Rabbi
>>S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>
>>”In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>>the total population.” (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
>
>>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>>so-called “anti-Semitism” a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>>himself:
>
>>”National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
>>characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
>>extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>cannibalism…under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
>>penalty.” (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>
>>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>>virtually untouched.
>
>>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920’s in one of the most vile
>>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, “Jews made up nearly 80 percent
>>of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,” reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
>>American professor of Russian history. . . ”
>
>>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were
>>murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
>>directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
>>Communist bosses.
>
>>Regards,
>>Roger Hughes
>
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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:16:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:42:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>gangster!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin’s participation in war crimes
>>>
>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>
>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>not been used yet.
>>>
>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook “to
>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.” A Signatory may
>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>
>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world’s
>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States’ legal obligations to do so.
>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>
>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>
>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>1977, as ‘grave breaches’, the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>prosecute.
>>>
>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>
>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>
>>>”1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately.” The order was signed “Yitzhak
>>>R[abin].”
>>>
>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>”The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949″ by Israeli
>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo’s book “The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland”, Quartet Books,
>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>
>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin’s implication in
>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin’s orders. As a prelude to
>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile’. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>planned ‘transfer’ policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>master plan of “ethnical cleansing”.
>>>
>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>
>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as ‘war crimes’.
>>>
>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>> of their Inhabitants
>>>
>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>
>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>
>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>prohibit “at any time and in any place whatsoever….collective
>>>punishments”. It seems that the destruction of these villages – every
>>>single house in them – constitutes ‘collective punishment’ within the
>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>
>>> 3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>> Youngsters
>>>
>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by “force, might,
>>>beatings”. More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>
>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>these practices (i.e. Ha’aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin’s role in these
>>>policies.
>>>
>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) “inhuman treatment….wilfully
>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health”. Protocol I
>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>the acts which remain “prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:”: “Violence to
>>>the….physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular….(iii)
>>>corporal punishment.”
>>>
>>> 4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>> Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>
>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin’s war:
>>>”Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>southern Lebanon. (…) Rabin’s War – Operation Accountability – has killed
>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>Beirut. (…) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(…) About
>>>80 villages have been hit.”. According to the London-based Middle East
>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the “majority of casualties were
>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>around 100,000.”
>>>
>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was “expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon ‘uninhabitable’ and to create a
>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel’s will (…)”
>>>
>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), “some 400,000
>>>people – mainly Shi’ite Muslims – fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves”.
>>>
>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>specifies as a ‘grave breach’ (war crime) “making the civilian population
>>>or individual civilians the object of attack” as well as “launching an
>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects”. Further details are provided
>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a ‘grave breach’ of international
>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>
>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>
>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>
>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>their country’s sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>
>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>
>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>of hostilities.
>>>
>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>
>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>
>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>
>>>Mr. Rabin’s Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>
>>>As to Mr. Rabin’s personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>and 1967).
>>>
>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>”to break the bones” of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by “force, might, beatings” and
>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>
>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel’s Prime
>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin’s primary responsibility for this act.
>>>
>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>
>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>described as ‘war crimes’ as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>view, only the most outrageous types of ‘war crimes’, as committed in World
>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>Conventions.
>>>
>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>the “deportation … for any … purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>occupied territory” as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>”deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>population….when such acts are done….in connection with any crime
>>>against peace or any war crime”, as Crime against Humanity.
>>>
>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>process of law to determine a defendant’s culpability and punishment). The
>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes ‘corporal punishment’, although not as
>>>a ‘grave breach’. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>
>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the ‘grave
>>>breaches’ (war crimes), if such attacks were committed “wilfully, in
>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>serious injury to body or health”.
>>>
>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>
>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>then, state:
>>>
>>>”The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law”
>>>(Principle III. “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him”.
>>>(Principle IV).
>>>
>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>such reservations.
>>>
>>>Conclusion
>>>
>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>short legal discussion.
>>>
>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived – legally – by
>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today’s world, it
>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>circumstances.
>>>
>>>Human rights’ and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin’s
>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>found.
>>
>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser

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On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:42:14 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:08:33 GMT, [email protected] (Deadly) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 19:31:02 +1000, Charles Esson
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Rob wrote:
>>
>>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says…
>>
>>>> >Many people argue that it should not be permitted
>>>> >to hit a burglar over the head with a pole when you catch
>>>> >him carrying your TV out of your house.
>>
>>>> >Reason given is that burglary is a lesser offence than assault.
>>
>>>> >Ok, here is another view! My right to my to keep my TV, my
>>>> >right to have possessions is MORE IMPORTANT than
>>>> >the safety, health and even the LIFE of a criminal.
>>
>>>> >Reason: He had a choice NOT to do it!
>>
>>>> Nope, it’s society’s fault. :)
>>
>>>Nope: Depends on you values what is more important human life or
>>>property. Perhaps an eye for an eye, but an eye for a TV.
>>
>>G’day
>>
>>Any inanimate object respresnts the hard work, sweat,
>>and soul searching decision to acquire it. Plus the
>>hassle, etc to report its loss and get it replaced.
>>
>>Also, at what point do you draw a distinction between
>>the inanimate objects, does a 10 year old tv have the
>>same non value as the Mona Lisa?
>>
>>People who do not respect your property will never
>>respect you or your welfare, so why should you
>>respect their welfare.
>>
>>Deadly
>
>The only good criminal, is an executed one.
>Then, they will never re-offend.
>
>Ways to execute criminals could include:
>using for medical experiments, naturally without anaesthetic
>target practice for police and military
>cruxifiction
>hanging, but Singapore already does this
>beheading, but Saudi Arabia does this
>organ donor parts, but PRC already uses this method of garbage
>recycling…..

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On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 04:56:06, [email protected] wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:38:31, [email protected] wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:56:46 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
trying to stimulate more interest in this topic,
On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:45:47 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Fri, 03 Jul 1998 15:00:35 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On 3 Jul 1998 06:38:05 GMT, wrote:

Orest Slepokura wrote:
…fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews…

Here is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.

The Kastner Case

The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
involving a Jew – Rudolf Kastner.

Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
are generally under the impression that there is some ‘controversy’
about negotiations he undertook for ‘the purchase of Jewish lives for
money and military equipment’, but that he was ‘fully rehabilitated’
by the Supreme Court of Israel.

The Accusations

Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
Herald, he wrote:

I am a Jew. In spite of that – indeed because of that – I accuse
certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.

This group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
silence.

Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz – the
number is still on my arm – I compiled careful statistics of the
exterminations.

I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
chambers…Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, ‘I know of your
plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.’

Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
bargaining end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars.
With this little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine…(Ben
Hecht, Perfidy, pp261-2)

These accusations are confirmed by the ‘Eichmann Confessions’
published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
elsewhere…In obedience to Himmler’s directive I now concentrated on
negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest…Among
them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from
resisting deportation – and even keep order in the collection camps –
if I could close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young
Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.

It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was
not too high for me.

We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

Dr. Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for a select group
of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel…

As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
goal ‘You can have the others’, he would say, ‘but let me have this
group here’. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by
helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups
escape. After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand
or so Jews…That was the ‘gentleman’s agreement’ I had with Kastner
(Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)

Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to ‘the purchase
of Jewish lives for money and military equipment’.

Are the accusations against Kastner true?

According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.

The Verdict

Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
panel of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel’s District Court
of Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.

The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
studied carefully.

The masses of Jews from Hungary’s ghettos obediently boarded the
deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
confidence in the false information that they were being transferred
to Kenyermeze.

The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
mislead the Jews.

They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
of Jewish leaders.

The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
spreading such false information and did not protest.

Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local ‘rescue work’.

The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
hampering the deportation orders.

Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to
overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.

And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.

The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
deportations…these same leaders did not join the people of their
community in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
Rescue train.

The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into collaboration with
the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.

The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.

The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
task easier.

The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
chiefs
.
It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
underground.

The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the
S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?

The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
the extermination plan of the killers ?

The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner’s Rescue
Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary – their total
annihilation.

The Nazi’s patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
Jews.

Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
that would also justify his conduct – his political negotiation with
Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.

When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
soul to the German Satan.

The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of
the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents,
whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the
great majority or Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death,
on the other hand.

An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
already been wiped out from the book of the living.

One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner’s collaboration and
put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.

All of Kastner’s answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
to evade this truth.

Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted
quickly to another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case
124/53; Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court,
Jerusalem, June 22,1955).

Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
‘new line’ of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:

>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the ‘new line’
stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.

According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
Jews.

This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
‘rescue’ work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
of Kastner’s involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
criminals.

Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.

Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
Kastner’s duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the
S.S.

In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.

All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler”.

Judge Halevi continues:
Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
when he denied he had interceded in Becher’s behalf. Moreover, he
concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.

As to the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, it was enough for the
defense to provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
negate the affidavit.

The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
criminal.

The lies in the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, the lies in his
testimony concerning the document, and Kastner’s knowing participation
in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
last minute fake rescue activities – all these combine to show one
overwhelming truth – that this affidavit was not given in good faith.

Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
declared in the affidavit.

The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
and no good faith in Kastner’s testimony, ‘I never doubted for one
moment the good intention of good Becher’.

It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
criminal. Kastner’s affidavit in favor of Becher was a wilfully false
affidavit given in favor of a war
criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.

Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
his statements.”

Judge Halevi’s verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
unproved accusation – that Kastner had actually collected money from
his Nazi
partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli
pounds as court costs.

If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
pointed to much more than that.

But the story does not end there.

The Reaction
The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha’am (Voice of the People) wrote:

All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder” (23 June
1955)

But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
Government of Israel.

As the evening paper *Yedi’ot Aharonot* said:

If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
political and national collapse – as a result of what such a trial may
disclose.” (23 June 1955)

Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
criminal libel.

At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed – an
appeal filed.

What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?

At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
was defending Kastner so strongly:

The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
National Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I
come here in this court to defend the representative of our national
institutions.”(Hecht, p. 268)

The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner’s collaboration
was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
leadership.

So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
But the story gets worse.

The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
the name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
this point Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not
‘fully rehabilitated’.

The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
court – that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
‘fully rehabilitated’.

But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
these facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
two, found that Kastner’s actions were morally justifiable and
convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
‘collaboration’.

Kastner’s actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
that prove conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.

The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
Kastner. They joined him.

Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
Chesin:

….What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
the end of their journey…Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
saying, ‘The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
tree’. This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another
witness about the Hungarian Jews, ‘This was a big Jewish community in
Hungary, without any ideological Jewish backbone’ (Moshe Shweiger, a
Kastner aide in Budapest, protocol 465).

I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, ‘The
Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
with force against the deportation scheme’…From this point of view
no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
news to the Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on
can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.

….And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
result from his great despair because of the helplessness of the
Jewish community.

Even then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration
and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
that Kastner’s efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
scale…And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
save a few Jews from Hell – this is still no proof that he stained his
hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.

Even if, through these activities of his – or rather, his omission –
the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
many or should he disclose
the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
everybody will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good
will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to perish?…As I
said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings of the learned
President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to
me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as of necessity,
demand the conclusion he has arrived at.

That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
leadership both from a moral and public point of view…

In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
what was known to them and did not warn
and did not cry out of the coming danger….

Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
people in Hungary during the last war.” (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)

In other words, the Court approved of Kastner’s contempt for the
Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
exactly what many other Zionist leaders and half-leaders did –
concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
Zionist ‘leaders’ boarded a different train for Palestine.

The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
Silberg:
I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
judgements on the guilt of others….

The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
an opinion….’Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
he, as a result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret
of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
of the few – therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
result.’

I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
thousands would have been able
to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom
money, bribery,etc. – and when this is the case and when one deals
with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human being, a mortal,
reject with complete certainty and with an extreme ‘no’ the efficiency
of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he examine the tens of
thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead of God?
Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
as his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
to a claim of such good faith…

If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.

Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.

And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
claim that Kastner had concealed the
news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
resisting the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness
and activity. Anyway, such a claim is not convincing…

We can sum up with three facts:

A. That the Nazis didn’t want to have a great revolt – nor small
revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination machine
working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner
>from the best source – from Eichmann himself – And he had additional
proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading
tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of
occupation.

B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with – or
the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
murder. This fact is known to every man and one does not need any
proof of evidence for this.

C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.

And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner…He who is capable of
rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
great war criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his
eyes…I couldn’t base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
of events it throws retroactive
light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
conclusion.”(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)

If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
advocate collaboration with the Nazis.

But Judge Silberg’s judgement was that of a minority.

The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.

It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.

Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.

Becher has even used his certification as a ‘good’ SS officer to give
evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
West Germany.

Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
pressure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
fear of what might come out.

Likewise, none of Kastner’s associates on the Zionist Relief and
Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
on trial .

Let alone the hundreds of ‘prominents’ who helped Kastner to reassure
the Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not
Auschwitz, in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them
eventually to Palestine.

As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
leadership in Palestine. He is ‘now dead’. Or putting it less
delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeev Eckstein – immediately
after the appeal hearings were concluded, and before the judgement
‘rehabilitating’ him was delivered.

Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
of the Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another
‘fantastic allegation’ no doubt; but admitted in court during the
murder trial).

sven88
>

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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:41:02 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2 wrote:
>
>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>By Sean Maguire
>>Sept. 14, 1998
>
>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.
>
>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>sensitive site.
>
>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>groups.
>
>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests and must be resolved as
>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are beginning to be perceived
>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,” she added.
>
>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>site inevitable.
>
>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>
>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site.
>
>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex.
>
>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>
>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar.
>
>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>and nationalists.
>
>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>forgotten.
>
>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>be removed.
>>
>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated.
>>
>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the answer but the cross, all
>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>the-scene discussion.”
>>
>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, “But I don’t see any
>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>the moment.”
>
>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>
>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>
>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>international funding, are on hold.
>
>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently.
>
>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the “Judenrampe,” the
>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign.
>
>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>concrete, the crematories.”
>
>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda.
>
>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,” wiping out most of
>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>
>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>
>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>
>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland’s tiny
>>Jewish community.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:20:51 -0700, Milton Wong
wrote:

>Communism was invented by the Jew Karl Marx. Many other leading
>communists were/are Jews, for example Trotsky.
>
>The communists would never have succeeded in seizing power anywhere in
>the world without help from the Jewish Bolsheviks.
>
>Many if not most spies for the Soviet Union and its allies were/are
>Jews.
>
>Even those Jews who call themselves “conservative” or “democratic” are
>eager to support communism in foreign countries, especially China. I
>noticed during the recent visit to the United States of the leader of
>the illegal Chinese communist regime that he was photographed with his
>good friends Henry Kissinger (Jew) and Madeline Albright (Jew).
>
>It is estimated that the Chinese communists have murdered 65 million
>innocent people. I look forward to the day when China is liberated from
>the communists. In my opinion, the communist party should then be made
>illegal, communist/marxist/socialist literature (such as “Das Kapital”
>by the Jew Karl Marx) should be burned, all communists should be
>executed, all foreign (read: Jewish) collaborators who have helped the
>communists should be executed, all private property that was confiscated
>by the communists should be returned to its rightful owners or their
>heirs (if they were not all murdered by the communists; otherwise such
>property should be given as compensation to other victims of communism),
>and all property of communists or the communist party should be given to
>the victims of communism.
>
>Notice how much attention the U.S. (Jewish-controlled) media give to the
>Nazis’ alleged murder of 6 million Jews, and how little attention they
>give to the victims of (Jewish-invented and Jewish-supported) communism.
>The communists are estimated to have murdered 65 million people in
>China, 20 million in the Soviet Union, 2 million in Cambodia, 2 million
>in North Korea, 1.7 million in Africa, 1 million in Vietnam, 1 million
>in Eastern Europe, and 150,000 in South America.
>

From [email protected] Sun Oct 18 14:29:33 EDT 1998
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On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 18:04:08 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>Canadian Press report today, that this case is really making waves in
>the Federal Court of Canada.
>
>The lawyer for George Harris, the businessman from Winnipeg who is
>bringing the case against Revenue Canada, is reported as claiming that
>the Bronfman case is threatening to corrupt public trust in the
>Canadian tax system!!!
>
>The lawyer is claiming that Revenue Canada had a legal duty to apply
>the tax, but screwed it up!!!
>
>No kidding!!!
>
>On Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:53:45 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>Canadian Press are reporting in Canada, that a Winnipeg taxpayer is in
>>Federal Court, concerning the illegal transfer of 2.2 BILLION by the
>>BRONFMAN JEWS!!!
>>
>>In fact Revenue Canada officials had decided 12 december 1991 that the
>>Bronfmans were supposed to pay their taxes on this money!!!
>>
>>George Harris, according to CP, is claiming that the Auditor general
>>of Canada in May 1996, exposed the fact that the JEW Bronfmans did
>>not pay their taxes on the 2.2 Billion, thereby cheating the tax
>>department out of ” hundreds of millions of dollars”!!!
>>
>>Harris is fighting for the rights of all non-JEW taxpayers on this
>>issue.
>>
>>He is quoted as saying, according to CP:”He will be helping to sustain
>>public confidence in our income tax system, as well as the
>>administration of justice generally.”
>>
>>You said it!!!

From [email protected] Sun Oct 18 14:29:33 EDT 1998
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On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:26:53 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>Since some of the undesirable Jews in Australia have published their
>Libelers List of people they consider undesirable, for supporting ON,
>perhaps ON should do similar??
>
>Surely the angry citizens of Australia can readily prepare their own
>list of undesirable Jews, including such Illuminati as the notorious
>Rappaport, and others of his ilk?? What about drug dealers, white
>collar criminals, and similar criminals?
>
>After all these thousands of years, why would the admittedly
>genetically inbred creatures (according to their own recent
>pronouncements regarding DNA proof for jewishness) want to so
>antagonise a generous host country like Australia?
>
>Is there not enough resentment against the people responsible for the
>murder of Christ?
>
>Did the more than 100 millions killed in the interests of Jew
>communism in this century alone, not create enough enemies, that they
>want to generate more?
>
>Surely their worldwide attempts at extortion of nations has caused
>more ill-will?? Even the Swiss, who had provided shelter, but required
>that the Jews WORK in the 1940’s are now having extortion demands!!!
>
>Or, is their wish to force the world into another conflagration, so
>that by the Year 2000, their New World Order can take over what
>remains of this world?? They are certainly spreading their tentacles
>in many countries, trying to take control…
>
>>>Mr Leibler: you have chosen to gratuitously & viciously persecute
>>>a defenceless minority of Australians – who are innocent of any
>>>wrong-doing – on purely political grounds; by publishing to the
>>>world, their names & residential suburbs in your magazine.
>
>>>In the interests of “balance”, would you now care to publish to the
>>>world, the names & residential suburbs of those Australian residents
>>>& citizens who are bankrolling the “Genocide” of the Palestinian
>>>Nation; with a higher financial contribution per capita, than any
>>>other members of your diaspora, on the Planet.
>
>>>You say you have a deep & abiding concern for “political
>>>transparency”: lets see you really put your publishing skills
>>>where your mouth is…
>
>>>cheers, PJ
>
>>Better yet, publish a list of all those businesses owned or/and
>>controlled by Jews, in Australia, USA, GB, Germany, France and Russia.
>
>>Let the world see who is really controlling world affairs, even before
>>the year 2000!!!
>
>
>
>
>On Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:42:09 +0930, Seppo Renfors
> wrote:
>>Scott Balson wrote:
>>> yvonne cooke wrote:
>
>>> > If “One Nation” is so worthy, what is wrong with people being members? Would
>>> > not such a person as the woman (now deceased) named on his web page and her
>>> > family have been proud of her membership?
>
>>> OK then how would YOU and the MEDIA react if I published the Australia/Israel
>>> Review subscription list?
>
>>THEY would laugh at you. Try it an see I dare you to!
>
>>> I would be labelled anti-semitic and a danger to society, but the politically
>>> correct community niches (such as some zionists) are untouchable. Sounds like
>>> the Indian caste system to me AND IT STINKS!
>
>>> > If publication was so bad, why has the web page owner named her on his web
>>> > page, spreading confidential membership information so much further?
>
>>> She is with friends on our web site she is with bigoted little arseholes when
>>> she is referred to in that trashy magazine.
>
>>> > What is more likely to concern the executive of ON is that members of the
>>> > reported totalitarian structure now know who other members are.
>>> > The author of the web page has joined tabloid print and TV in doing more
>>> > harm than the original article with its limited readership ever would have.
>
>
>>> Bullshit – you are a complete arsehole aren’t you.
>
>>The PHONey logic, if confronted with the TRUTH, resort to
>>abuse, standard PHONey policy!
>
>>> The problem facing these zionist publishers is that they are without ethics by
>>> publishing names and suburbs and if a One Nation member is firebombed because of
>>> their action they will face bankruptcy through legal claims against them.
>
>

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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:00:16 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Sun, 06 Sep 1998 06:28:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:53:37 GMT, NSWPP wrote:
>>
>>>LARGEST Social Security Fraud in London’s History
>>>
>>>DAILY MAIL
>>>Monday June 15 1998
>>>By DAVID WILLIAMS and PETER ALLEN
>>>
>>>
>>>Revealed: The men accused in
>>>31.8 million State Benefit Racket
>>>
>>>THESE are the men being investigated by fraud-busters
>>>over an alleged 1.8 million benefits racket. The case was
>>>highlighted last month by Welfare Reform Minister Frank
>>>Field as part of a crack-down launched by Labour aimed at
>>>slashing the £36 billion annual cost of welfare fraud.
>>>
>>>At the time, no one was named. But the Daily Mail has
>>>since tracked down the men at the heart of one of the biggest
>>>ever alleged welfare frauds.
>>>
>>>They are Soloman Kritzler, 39, and Alexander Eichenstein, 38,
>>>who are suspected of masterminding the racket from their
>>>sprawling homes in a North London suburb.
>>>
>>>Detectives have questioned the men and four other members of
>>>what Mr Field described as ‘an extended family’ about
>>>allegations of illegally claiming up to £3,600,000 in housing
>>>benefit and income support. They have also been quizzed
>>>by officers from a special undercover task force set up by
>>>the Department of Social Security (DSS) about a mortgage
>>>fraud worth £31.2 million.
>>>
>>>The investigators are said to be checking on any links with
>>>massive welfare rackets in the United States, where members
>>>of the family, it has been reported, are alleged to have used
>>>fake identities to make bogus benefit claims.
>>>
>>>Both men hold trusted positions at the centre of the
>>>ultra-Orthodox community of Hasidic Jews in Stamford Hill,
>>>North London, where details of the unprecedented investigation
>>>has caused consider-able anger.
>>>
>>>At the home he shares with his wife Esther and their daughter,
>>>Kritzler protested his innocence and said he would fight
>>>to clear his name.
>>>
>>>’This investigation is without foundation and is a complete
>>>waste of taxpayers’ money,’ he insisted. ‘All of our finances
>>>are in good order. There has been no fraud.
>>>
>>>’It may well be that we are the victims of anti-semitism.
>>>This seems to be an attack on the law-abiding, decent
>>>community which we have here. We just want to be able to
>>>get on with our lives in peace.
>>>
>>>’When we were arrested, a very sick woman was put in a
>>>police cell for a night. She was terribly distressed.
>>>This should not have been allowed to happen.’
>>>
>>>Eichenstein was less forthcoming and when approached
>>>at his family home, his wife Rivka said: ‘He has no
>>>comment to make.’ Eichenstein lists his official home
>>>as a rundown flat some three streets from the spacious home
>>>where his wife and children live.
>>>
>>>Partners at the North London chartered accountancy firm
>>>which acts as the registered office for the majority of
>>>the men’s companies con-firmed that they had been contacted
>>>by detectives, and that fraud experts were preparing
>>>to examine their records.
>>>
>>>Fraud investigators are focusing their inquiries on a
>>>network of companies and properties associated
>>>with the family.
>>>
>>>All of the properties linked to Kritzler and Eichenstein
>>>are within a stone’s throw of each other on the Stamford
>>>Hill/Stoke Newington borders. One firm, Acemark Properties
>>>Ltd. is listed at Eichenstein’s home.
>>>
>>>Kritzler has been director of London-based Empire properties
>>>since January and Amvex Investments since 1992.
>>>
>>>The streets of Stamford Hill are an unlikely setting for a
>>>major investigation of this kind. The area enjoys a feeling
>>>of neighbourly trust long lost in the crime-ridden districts nearby.
>>>
>>>Police activity is all but non-existent – patrol cars are
>>>already overstretched by the criminal activity related
>>>to the numerous drug dealers and prostitutes in the
>>>southern sector of the Stoke Newington police beat.
>>>
>>>
>>>Both men, together with three women and another man to
>>>whom they are related are currently on bail and have to
>>>return to Stoke Newington police station at the
>>>end of this month.
>>>
>>>The arrest of the suspects -following simultaneous raids
>>>on four houses in April – is seen by Mr Field as the first
>>>of a series of high profile swoops by the new DSS team.
>>>
>>>Ministers have decided that they want to ‘name and shame’
>>>convicted benefit cheats in an attempt to foster a
>>>’revival of common decencies’.
>>>
>>>The pilot DSS task force was set up to target organised
>>>housing benefit rackets in London – an initiative which
>>>the Government now plans to extend right across the country.
>>>
>>>The team discovered that professional crooks were exploiting
>>>loopholes in welfare security to set up fictitious
>>>identities and make bogus claims for a wide range of
>>>benefit allowances in various parts of London and
>>>other cities in Britain.
>>>
>>>Mr Field is determined to crack down on an area of crime
>>>bleeding tens of millions of pounds each week.
>>>
>>>The Minister said: ‘We are going for the big boys, while
>>>at the same time recognising that we have to bring in much
>>>tighter controls on what is the single biggest budget in
>>>Britain today.’
>>>
>>>He has admitted that the annual benefits bill of nearly £31
>>>billion remains wide open to fraud and corruption despite
>>>repeated attempts by Whitehall to crack down on the swindlers.
>>>
>>>————————————–
>>>

From [email protected] Sun Oct 18 14:32:23 EDT 1998
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On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 18:04:08 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>Canadian Press report today, that this case is really making waves in
>the Federal Court of Canada.
>
>The lawyer for George Harris, the businessman from Winnipeg who is
>bringing the case against Revenue Canada, is reported as claiming that
>the Bronfman case is threatening to corrupt public trust in the
>Canadian tax system!!!
>
>The lawyer is claiming that Revenue Canada had a legal duty to apply
>the tax, but screwed it up!!!
>
>No kidding!!!
>
>On Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:53:45 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>Canadian Press are reporting in Canada, that a Winnipeg taxpayer is in
>>Federal Court, concerning the illegal transfer of 2.2 BILLION by the
>>BRONFMAN JEWS!!!
>>
>>In fact Revenue Canada officials had decided 12 december 1991 that the
>>Bronfmans were supposed to pay their taxes on this money!!!
>>
>>George Harris, according to CP, is claiming that the Auditor general
>>of Canada in May 1996, exposed the fact that the JEW Bronfmans did
>>not pay their taxes on the 2.2 Billion, thereby cheating the tax
>>department out of ” hundreds of millions of dollars”!!!
>>
>>Harris is fighting for the rights of all non-JEW taxpayers on this
>>issue.
>>
>>He is quoted as saying, according to CP:”He will be helping to sustain
>>public confidence in our income tax system, as well as the
>>administration of justice generally.”
>>
>>You said it!!!

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On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 18:04:08 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>Canadian Press report today, that this case is really making waves in
>the Federal Court of Canada.
>
>The lawyer for George Harris, the businessman from Winnipeg who is
>bringing the case against Revenue Canada, is reported as claiming that
>the Bronfman case is threatening to corrupt public trust in the
>Canadian tax system!!!
>
>The lawyer is claiming that Revenue Canada had a legal duty to apply
>the tax, but screwed it up!!!
>
>No kidding!!!
>
>On Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:53:45 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>Canadian Press are reporting in Canada, that a Winnipeg taxpayer is in
>>Federal Court, concerning the illegal transfer of 2.2 BILLION by the
>>BRONFMAN JEWS!!!
>>
>>In fact Revenue Canada officials had decided 12 december 1991 that the
>>Bronfmans were supposed to pay their taxes on this money!!!
>>
>>George Harris, according to CP, is claiming that the Auditor general
>>of Canada in May 1996, exposed the fact that the JEW Bronfmans did
>>not pay their taxes on the 2.2 Billion, thereby cheating the tax
>>department out of ” hundreds of millions of dollars”!!!
>>
>>Harris is fighting for the rights of all non-JEW taxpayers on this
>>issue.
>>
>>He is quoted as saying, according to CP:”He will be helping to sustain
>>public confidence in our income tax system, as well as the
>>administration of justice generally.”
>>
>>You said it!!!

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On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:06:28 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:15:24 +1000, observor
>wrote:

>>Hitler’s Jewish Army

>>”Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim.” –Elie Wiesel
>>speaking of World War Two.

>>”If there were Jews in (Hitler’s) armed forces…who served knowing what
>>was going on and made no attempt to save (lives),
>>well then that is unacceptable and dishonorable.” –Rabbi Marvin Hier,
>>director of the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.

>>Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called
>>’full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf
>>Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

>>Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
>>ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler’s soldiers, including
>>two field marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight
>>lieutenant generals, five major generals), “men commanding up to
>>100,000 troops.”

>>In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded
>>Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s
>>Cross.

>>One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
>>northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain
>>and practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.

>>One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
>>Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch’s Jewish
>>identity circulated widely in Germany in the 1930s.

>>In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch’s
>>birth record and when met with protests about having a
>>Jew in the Nazi high command, Goering replied, “I decide who is a Jew
>>and who is an Aryan.”

>>Rigg’s research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
>>German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time,
>>who was in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.

>>Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
>>Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted
>>by a German officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj.
>>Ernst Bloch, whose father was a Jew.

>>Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police
>>(Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards
>>(kapos).

>>So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews,
>>when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle
>>against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

>>Sources:

>>William D. Montalbano, “The Jews in Hitler’s Military,” Los Angeles
>>Times, Dec. 24, 1996.

>>Tom Tugend, “Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,”
>>Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.

>>Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.

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On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:33:31 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:33:18 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:01:35 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>in support of his jew faggot lovers:
>>On 1 Jul 1998 20:49:49 GMT, [email protected] (Billy Bob
>>Throckmorton) wrote:
>>>In article , [email protected]
>>>says…
>>>>On 1 Jul 1998 12:17:04 GMT, Doc Tavish, hiding behind
>>> wrote:

>>>>>How many Jews have you ever seen denounce this filthy
>>>>>lifestyle? See what I mean!?

>>>>ROTFL!!! Why should we denounce it?

>>>So you do approve what G-d has condemned? Very interesting indeed. It shows
>>>why Jews have been vomited out of all the lands they have infested if one
>>>is to accept the Torah!

>>>>It’s part of the plan to destroy the filthy, inferior ary*n race!
>>>>Encouraging ary*n homosexuality (pretty easy to do, since they’re
>>>>already so prone to it) helps keep the white birth rate down.

>>>So you are confessing now that Jews aren’t white also?

>>>>Every little bit helps…

>>>Your simple admission tells all that homosexuality comes
>>>from Jews! In my studies of the Jew I have learned that the Law
>>>given to Moses was for Jews only and not for the people of the
>>>nations or the Goy.

>>>See: http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=325176411
>>>and
>>>http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=364072939
>>>Subject: The Noachide Laws

>>>What does G-d require from non-Jews?
>>>————————————————————–

>>>Our sages teach us that G-d gave seven laws or commandments that are
>>>binding on all humanity. The first six of these laws were given to
>>>Adam. Because the last of these seven commandments was given to Noah
>>>and his sons, the seven laws are collectively referred to as “the
>>>Noachide Laws”, or “the Commandments of Noah’s Sons”.

>>>The Noachide Laws are:

>>>1. Not to worship idols;
>>>2. Not to curse G-d;
>>>3. To establish courts of justice (some say, not to pervert justice);
>>>4. Not to murder;
>>>5. Not to commit adultery or incest;
>>>6. Not to steal;
>>>7. Not to eat flesh from a living animal.

>>>The Oral Law (the Talmud) teaches clearly that whoever obeys these
>>>seven commandments has a portion in the world to come.

>>> Abraham was the first person in history to publicly proclaim the
>>>Noachide Laws to the masses, although there certainly were righteous
>>>persons before Abraham who knew these commandments and practiced them
>>>(Noah himself, to name just one).

>>>The Torah was given exclusively to the Jews, along with the
>>>responsibility to inform the world of the universal commandments.
>>> ———–END————

>>>I guess this is why homosexual acts were mentioned in your Torah! It
>>>appears you Jew boys liked buggering each other up the ass thousands of
>>>years ago. If this weren’t true then why would
>>>G-d have told Moses (as depicted in the Jewish Torah):

>>>http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/vtx/chumash

>>>Acharey Mot, Leviticus Chapter 18

>>>18 : 22 Do not lie with a male as you would with a woman, since this
>>>is a disgusting perversion.
>>>18 : 23 Do not perform any sexual act with an animal, since it will
>>>defile you. A woman shall [likewise] not give herself to an animal and
>>>allow it to mate with her. This is an utterly detestable perversion.
>>>18 : 24 Do not let yourselves be defiled by any of these acts. It was
>>>as a result of them that the nations that I am driving away before you
>>>became defiled.
>>>18 : 25 The land became defiled, and when I directed My providence at
>>>the sin committed there, the land vomited out its inhabitants.
>>>18 : 26 You, [however,] must keep My decrees and laws, and not become
>>>involved in any of these disgusting perversions – neither the native
>>>born nor any foreigner who settles among you.
>>>18 : 27 The people who lived in the land before you did all these
>>>disgusting perversions and defiled the land.
>>>18 : 28 But [you shall not cause] the land to vomit you out when you
>>>defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was there before you.

>>>The same Torah also says:
>>>Chumash References
>>>Kedoshim, Leviticus Chapter 20

>>>20 : 7 You must sanctify yourselves and be holy, for I am God your
>>>Lord.
>>>20 : 8 Safeguard My decrees and keep them, since I am God [and] I am
>>>making you holy.
>>>20 : 9 Any person who curses his father or mother shall therefore be
>>>put to death. Since he has cursed his father or mother, he shall be
>>>stoned to death.
>>>20 : 10 If a man commits adultery with a married woman, [and] she is
>>>the wife of a fellow [Israelite], both the adulterer and adulteress
>>>shall be put to death.
>>>20 : 11 If a man has intercourse with his father’s wife, he has
>>>committed a sexual offense against his father. Therefore, both of them
>>>shall be put to death by stoning.
>>>20 : 12 If a man has intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of
>>>them shall be put to death. Since they have committed an utterly
>>>detestable perversion, they shall be stoned to death.
>>>20 : 13 If a man has intercourse with another man in the same manner
>>>as with a woman, both of them have committed a disgusting perversion.
>>>They shall be put to death by stoning.

>>>>BTW, for information on rampant homosexuality amongst your
>>>>ary*n “heroes:” see “The Pink Swatstika:”

>>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~lively/

>>>I could care less but Jeffrey Georg Brown may be interested.
>>>I hope and pray that America “vomits” out its filth soon as well!
>>>You all will not be missed!

>>> Billy Bob

>>>>Bob Alpert * balpert “at” netaxs.com * Author of the Jewish Conspiracy
>>sven88

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On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 04:56:06, [email protected] wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:38:31, [email protected] wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:56:46 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
trying to stimulate more interest in this topic,
On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:45:47 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Fri, 03 Jul 1998 15:00:35 GMT, [email protected]ck.com wrote:
>>On 3 Jul 1998 06:38:05 GMT, wrote:

Orest Slepokura wrote:
…fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews…

Here is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.

The Kastner Case

The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
involving a Jew – Rudolf Kastner.

Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
are generally under the impression that there is some ‘controversy’
about negotiations he undertook for ‘the purchase of Jewish lives for
money and military equipment’, but that he was ‘fully rehabilitated’
by the Supreme Court of Israel.

The Accusations

Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
Herald, he wrote:

I am a Jew. In spite of that – indeed because of that – I accuse
certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.

This group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
silence.

Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz – the
number is still on my arm – I compiled careful statistics of the
exterminations.

I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
chambers…Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, ‘I know of your
plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.’

Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
bargaining end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars.
With this little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine…(Ben
Hecht, Perfidy, pp261-2)

These accusations are confirmed by the ‘Eichmann Confessions’
published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
elsewhere…In obedience to Himmler’s directive I now concentrated on
negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest…Among
them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from
resisting deportation – and even keep order in the collection camps –
if I could close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young
Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.

It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was
not too high for me.

We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

Dr. Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for a select group
of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel…

As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
goal ‘You can have the others’, he would say, ‘but let me have this
group here’. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by
helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups
escape. After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand
or so Jews…That was the ‘gentleman’s agreement’ I had with Kastner
(Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)

Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to ‘the purchase
of Jewish lives for money and military equipment’.

Are the accusations against Kastner true?

According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.

The Verdict

Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
panel of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel’s District Court
of Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.

The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
studied carefully.

The masses of Jews from Hungary’s ghettos obediently boarded the
deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
confidence in the false information that they were being transferred
to Kenyermeze.

The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
mislead the Jews.

They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
of Jewish leaders.

The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
spreading such false information and did not protest.

Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local ‘rescue work’.

The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
hampering the deportation orders.

Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to
overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.

And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.

The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
deportations…these same leaders did not join the people of their
community in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
Rescue train.

The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into collaboration with
the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.

The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.

The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
task easier.

The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
chiefs
.
It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
underground.

The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the
S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?

The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
the extermination plan of the killers ?

The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner’s Rescue
Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary – their total
annihilation.

The Nazi’s patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
Jews.

Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
that would also justify his conduct – his political negotiation with
Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.

When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
soul to the German Satan.

The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of
the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents,
whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the
great majority or Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death,
on the other hand.

An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
already been wiped out from the book of the living.

One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner’s collaboration and
put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.

All of Kastner’s answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
to evade this truth.

Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted
quickly to another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case
124/53; Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court,
Jerusalem, June 22,1955).

Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
‘new line’ of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:

>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the ‘new line’
stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.

According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
Jews.

This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
‘rescue’ work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
of Kastner’s involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
criminals.

Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.

Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
Kastner’s duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the
S.S.

In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.

All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler”.

Judge Halevi continues:
Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
when he denied he had interceded in Becher’s behalf. Moreover, he
concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.

As to the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, it was enough for the
defense to provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
negate the affidavit.

The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
criminal.

The lies in the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, the lies in his
testimony concerning the document, and Kastner’s knowing participation
in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
last minute fake rescue activities – all these combine to show one
overwhelming truth – that this affidavit was not given in good faith.

Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
declared in the affidavit.

The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
and no good faith in Kastner’s testimony, ‘I never doubted for one
moment the good intention of good Becher’.

It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
criminal. Kastner’s affidavit in favor of Becher was a wilfully false
affidavit given in favor of a war
criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.

Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
his statements.”

Judge Halevi’s verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
unproved accusation – that Kastner had actually collected money from
his Nazi
partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli
pounds as court costs.

If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
pointed to much more than that.

But the story does not end there.

The Reaction
The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha’am (Voice of the People) wrote:

All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder” (23 June
1955)

But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
Government of Israel.

As the evening paper *Yedi’ot Aharonot* said:

If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
political and national collapse – as a result of what such a trial may
disclose.” (23 June 1955)

Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
criminal libel.

At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed – an
appeal filed.

What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?

At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
was defending Kastner so strongly:

The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
National Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I
come here in this court to defend the representative of our national
institutions.”(Hecht, p. 268)

The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner’s collaboration
was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
leadership.

So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
But the story gets worse.

The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
the name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
this point Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not
‘fully rehabilitated’.

The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
court – that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
‘fully rehabilitated’.

But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
these facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
two, found that Kastner’s actions were morally justifiable and
convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
‘collaboration’.

Kastner’s actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
that prove conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.

The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
Kastner. They joined him.

Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
Chesin:

….What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
the end of their journey…Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
saying, ‘The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
tree’. This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another
witness about the Hungarian Jews, ‘This was a big Jewish community in
Hungary, without any ideological Jewish backbone’ (Moshe Shweiger, a
Kastner aide in Budapest, protocol 465).

I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, ‘The
Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
with force against the deportation scheme’…From this point of view
no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
news to the Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on
can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.

….And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
result from his great despair because of the helplessness of the
Jewish community.

Even then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration
and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
that Kastner’s efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
scale…And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
save a few Jews from Hell – this is still no proof that he stained his
hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.

Even if, through these activities of his – or rather, his omission –
the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
many or should he disclose
the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
everybody will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good
will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to perish?…As I
said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings of the learned
President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to
me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as of necessity,
demand the conclusion he has arrived at.

That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
leadership both from a moral and public point of view…

In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
what was known to them and did not warn
and did not cry out of the coming danger….

Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
people in Hungary during the last war.” (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)

In other words, the Court approved of Kastner’s contempt for the
Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
exactly what many other Zionist leaders and half-leaders did –
concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
Zionist ‘leaders’ boarded a different train for Palestine.

The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
Silberg:
I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
judgements on the guilt of others….

The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
an opinion….’Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
he, as a result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret
of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
of the few – therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
result.’

I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
thousands would have been able
to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom
money, bribery,etc. – and when this is the case and when one deals
with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human being, a mortal,
reject with complete certainty and with an extreme ‘no’ the efficiency
of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he examine the tens of
thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead of God?
Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
as his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
to a claim of such good faith…

If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.

Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.

And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
claim that Kastner had concealed the
news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
resisting the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness
and activity. Anyway, such a claim is not convincing…

We can sum up with three facts:

A. That the Nazis didn’t want to have a great revolt – nor small
revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination machine
working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner
>from the best source – from Eichmann himself – And he had additional
proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading
tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of
occupation.

B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with – or
the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
murder. This fact is known to every man and one does not need any
proof of evidence for this.

C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.

And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner…He who is capable of
rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
great war criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his
eyes…I couldn’t base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
of events it throws retroactive
light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
conclusion.”(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)

If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
advocate collaboration with the Nazis.

But Judge Silberg’s judgement was that of a minority.

The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.

It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.

Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.

Becher has even used his certification as a ‘good’ SS officer to give
evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
West Germany.

Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
pressure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
fear of what might come out.

Likewise, none of Kastner’s associates on the Zionist Relief and
Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
on trial .

Let alone the hundreds of ‘prominents’ who helped Kastner to reassure
the Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not
Auschwitz, in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them
eventually to Palestine.

As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
leadership in Palestine. He is ‘now dead’. Or putting it less
delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeev Eckstein – immediately
after the appeal hearings were concluded, and before the judgement
‘rehabilitating’ him was delivered.

Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
of the Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another
‘fantastic allegation’ no doubt; but admitted in court during the
murder trial).

sven88
>

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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:41:02 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2 wrote:
>
>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>By Sean Maguire
>>Sept. 14, 1998
>
>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.
>
>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>sensitive site.
>
>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>groups.
>
>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests and must be resolved as
>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are beginning to be perceived
>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,” she added.
>
>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>site inevitable.
>
>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>
>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site.
>
>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex.
>
>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>
>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar.
>
>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>and nationalists.
>
>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>forgotten.
>
>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>be removed.
>>
>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated.
>>
>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the answer but the cross, all
>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>the-scene discussion.”
>>
>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, “But I don’t see any
>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>the moment.”
>
>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>
>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>
>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>international funding, are on hold.
>
>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently.
>
>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the “Judenrampe,” the
>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign.
>
>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>concrete, the crematories.”
>
>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda.
>
>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,” wiping out most of
>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>
>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>
>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>
>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland’s tiny
>>Jewish community.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:20:51 -0700, Milton Wong
wrote:

>Communism was invented by the Jew Karl Marx. Many other leading
>communists were/are Jews, for example Trotsky.
>
>The communists would never have succeeded in seizing power anywhere in
>the world without help from the Jewish Bolsheviks.
>
>Many if not most spies for the Soviet Union and its allies were/are
>Jews.
>
>Even those Jews who call themselves “conservative” or “democratic” are
>eager to support communism in foreign countries, especially China. I
>noticed during the recent visit to the United States of the leader of
>the illegal Chinese communist regime that he was photographed with his
>good friends Henry Kissinger (Jew) and Madeline Albright (Jew).
>
>It is estimated that the Chinese communists have murdered 65 million
>innocent people. I look forward to the day when China is liberated from
>the communists. In my opinion, the communist party should then be made
>illegal, communist/marxist/socialist literature (such as “Das Kapital”
>by the Jew Karl Marx) should be burned, all communists should be
>executed, all foreign (read: Jewish) collaborators who have helped the
>communists should be executed, all private property that was confiscated
>by the communists should be returned to its rightful owners or their
>heirs (if they were not all murdered by the communists; otherwise such
>property should be given as compensation to other victims of communism),
>and all property of communists or the communist party should be given to
>the victims of communism.
>
>Notice how much attention the U.S. (Jewish-controlled) media give to the
>Nazis’ alleged murder of 6 million Jews, and how little attention they
>give to the victims of (Jewish-invented and Jewish-supported) communism.
>The communists are estimated to have murdered 65 million people in
>China, 20 million in the Soviet Union, 2 million in Cambodia, 2 million
>in North Korea, 1.7 million in Africa, 1 million in Vietnam, 1 million
>in Eastern Europe, and 150,000 in South America.
>

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On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:55:45 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 06:43:56 GMT, [email protected] (William
>Wallace) wrote:
>
>>On 5 Oct 1997 23:41:26 GMT, “Wolfgang Klotz”
>> wrote:
>>
>>>this seems to me a quite typical example of relaying to documented facts
>>>with a wrong interpretation. in serious documents means
>>>WWI, when a lot of German Jews fought in the German army, because after
>>>some decennies of integration and assimilation they felt themselves as
>>>Germans and Jews. I’m not argueing about those aspects of assimilation,
>>>which is a difficult question for its own. But it’s a nonsens to say, that
>>> were collabotators to the Nazis, because
>>>they joined the Germna army between 1914 and 1920. Soon after the nazis had
>>>come to power the Jews in Germany were not even allowed to keep any animals
>>>at home or to get a driving license. Not to speak about joining the
>>>glorious Wehrmacht. So whoever wrote this strange thesis should recognize,
>>>that German Jews weren’t allowed to join the Wehrmacht, even if theo wanted
>>>to collaborate.
>>
>> It was less than a year ago that 77 senior members of the
>>Wehrmacht including a Field Marshal were identified as being jewish.
>>This was during WW II. So far as I am aware no one has made a similar
>>determination of the number of junior officers and enlisted men.
>>
>> I would suggest you learn what you are talking about before you
>>make posts like this.
>>
>>=====
>>Remember to delete alt.revisionism from the newsgroups. Sneaky Jews keep adding it
>>or making alt.revisionism the only follow up newsgroup. See how sneaky they are?

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On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:26:53 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>Since some of the undesirable Jews in Australia have published their
>Libelers List of people they consider undesirable, for supporting ON,
>perhaps ON should do similar??
>
>Surely the angry citizens of Australia can readily prepare their own
>list of undesirable Jews, including such Illuminati as the notorious
>Rappaport, and others of his ilk?? What about drug dealers, white
>collar criminals, and similar criminals?
>
>After all these thousands of years, why would the admittedly
>genetically inbred creatures (according to their own recent
>pronouncements regarding DNA proof for jewishness) want to so
>antagonise a generous host country like Australia?
>
>Is there not enough resentment against the people responsible for the
>murder of Christ?
>
>Did the more than 100 millions killed in the interests of Jew
>communism in this century alone, not create enough enemies, that they
>want to generate more?
>
>Surely their worldwide attempts at extortion of nations has caused
>more ill-will?? Even the Swiss, who had provided shelter, but required
>that the Jews WORK in the 1940’s are now having extortion demands!!!
>
>Or, is their wish to force the world into another conflagration, so
>that by the Year 2000, their New World Order can take over what
>remains of this world?? They are certainly spreading their tentacles
>in many countries, trying to take control…
>
>>>Mr Leibler: you have chosen to gratuitously & viciously persecute
>>>a defenceless minority of Australians – who are innocent of any
>>>wrong-doing – on purely political grounds; by publishing to the
>>>world, their names & residential suburbs in your magazine.
>
>>>In the interests of “balance”, would you now care to publish to the
>>>world, the names & residential suburbs of those Australian residents
>>>& citizens who are bankrolling the “Genocide” of the Palestinian
>>>Nation; with a higher financial contribution per capita, than any
>>>other members of your diaspora, on the Planet.
>
>>>You say you have a deep & abiding concern for “political
>>>transparency”: lets see you really put your publishing skills
>>>where your mouth is…
>
>>>cheers, PJ
>
>>Better yet, publish a list of all those businesses owned or/and
>>controlled by Jews, in Australia, USA, GB, Germany, France and Russia.
>
>>Let the world see who is really controlling world affairs, even before
>>the year 2000!!!
>
>
>
>
>On Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:42:09 +0930, Seppo Renfors
> wrote:
>>Scott Balson wrote:
>>> yvonne cooke wrote:
>
>>> > If “One Nation” is so worthy, what is wrong with people being members? Would
>>> > not such a person as the woman (now deceased) named on his web page and her
>>> > family have been proud of her membership?
>
>>> OK then how would YOU and the MEDIA react if I published the Australia/Israel
>>> Review subscription list?
>
>>THEY would laugh at you. Try it an see I dare you to!
>
>>> I would be labelled anti-semitic and a danger to society, but the politically
>>> correct community niches (such as some zionists) are untouchable. Sounds like
>>> the Indian caste system to me AND IT STINKS!
>
>>> > If publication was so bad, why has the web page owner named her on his web
>>> > page, spreading confidential membership information so much further?
>
>>> She is with friends on our web site she is with bigoted little arseholes when
>>> she is referred to in that trashy magazine.
>
>>> > What is more likely to concern the executive of ON is that members of the
>>> > reported totalitarian structure now know who other members are.
>>> > The author of the web page has joined tabloid print and TV in doing more
>>> > harm than the original article with its limited readership ever would have.
>
>
>>> Bullshit – you are a complete arsehole aren’t you.
>
>>The PHONey logic, if confronted with the TRUTH, resort to
>>abuse, standard PHONey policy!
>
>>> The problem facing these zionist publishers is that they are without ethics by
>>> publishing names and suburbs and if a One Nation member is firebombed because of
>>> their action they will face bankruptcy through legal claims against them.
>
>

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On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:48:04 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:09:51 -0800, “((((())))))”
> wrote:
>
>>The Kastner Case
>>
>>
>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that involving
>>a Jew – Rudolf Kastner.
>>
>>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have, are
>>generally under the impression that there is some ‘controversy’ about
>>negotiations he undertook for ‘the purchase of Jewish lives for money and
>>military equipment’, but that he was ‘fully rehabilitated’ by the Supreme
>>Court of Israel.
>>
>> The Accusations
>>
>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British Medical
>>Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz. In his
>>memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:
>>
>>I am a Jew. In spite of that – indeed because of that – I accuse certain
>>Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>
>>This group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>>Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of silence.
>>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all Jews
>>in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz – the number is
>>still on my arm – I compiled careful statistics of the exterminations.
>>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was
>>able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann
>>planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers…Kastner went
>>to Eichmann and told him, ‘I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>>choice and I shall keep quiet.’
>>
>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and took
>>him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid bargaining
>>end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany
>>collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine…(Ben Hecht, Perfidy,
>>pp261-2)
>>
>>These accusations are confirmed by the ‘Eichmann Confessions’ published in
>>Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander stands
>>100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation, I wanted
>>to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere…In obedience to
>>Himmler’s directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>political officials in Budapest…Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a
>>young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He
>>agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation – and even keep
>>order in the collection camps – if I could close my eyes and let a few
>>hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine. It
>>was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was not too
>>high for me.
>>
>>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would smoke
>>one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case and
>>lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve he
>>would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>
>>Dr. Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for a select group of
>>Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel…
>>
>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a thousand
>>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal ‘You can
>>have the others’, he would say, ‘but let me have this group here’. And
>>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation
>>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews…That was the
>>’gentleman’s agreement’ I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>
>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to ‘the purchase of
>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment’.
>>
>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>
>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more than
>>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>> The Verdict
>>
>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the panel
>>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel’s District Court of
>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953. The
>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be studied
>>carefully.
>>
>>The masses of Jews from Hungary’s ghettos obediently boarded the
>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of confidence
>>in the false information that they were being transferred to Kenyermeze.
>>
>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had they
>>not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>
>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and others
>>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the Jews.
>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help of
>>Jewish leaders.
>>
>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local leaders
>>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were spreading
>>such false information and did not protest.
>>
>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local ‘rescue work’.
>>
>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or hampering
>>the deportation orders.
>>
>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few dozen
>>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower these few
>>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>
>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the Jews in
>>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>
>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn their
>>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders who
>>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of deportations…these
>>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride to
>>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>
>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of extermination
>>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in Budapest
>>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this as a
>>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured, dependent on
>>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its fatal
>>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish
>>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>
>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in Jewry
>>and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>
>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their task
>>easier.
>>
>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>chiefs.
>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>underground.
>>
>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the Nazis
>>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S.
>>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish Rescue
>>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>
>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by these
>>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the
>>extermination plan of the killers ?
>>
>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner’s Rescue
>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his friends
>>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary – their total annihilation.
>>
>>The Nazi’s patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save six
>>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed to him
>>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a great
>>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that would
>>also justify his conduct – his political negotiation with Nazis and the
>>Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>
>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his soul to
>>the German Satan.
>>
>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in order
>>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement between
>>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation into
>>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised
>>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian Jews
>>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative
>>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that Kastner
>>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp and
>>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents and
>>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out from
>>the book of the living.
>>
>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner’s collaboration and put
>>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not only
>>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>
>>All of Kastner’s answers in his final testimony were a constant effort to
>>evade this truth.
>>
>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the wall
>>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly to
>>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53;
>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
>>1955).
>>
>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the ‘new
>>line’ of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>
>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the ‘new line’
>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>
>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>Jews.
>>
>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>’rescue’ work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent of
>>Kastner’s involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>criminals.
>>
>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so Kastner
>>also needed an alibi for himself.
>>
>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna. Kastner’s
>>duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the S.S.
>>
>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department, the
>>Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>
>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S. were
>>coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler”.
>>
>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>
>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court when
>>he denied he had interceded in Becher’s behalf. Moreover, he concealed the
>>important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>
>>As to the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, it was enough for the defense to
>>provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to remove
>>Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>
>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>criminal.
>>
>>The lies in the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, the lies in his testimony
>>concerning the document, and Kastner’s knowing participation in the
>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last minute
>>fake rescue activities – all these combine to show one overwhelming truth –
>>that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>
>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never stood up
>>against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has declared in the
>>affidavit.
>>
>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews but to
>>serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth and no good
>>faith in Kastner’s testimony, ‘I never doubted for one moment the good
>>intention of good Becher’.
>>
>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in his
>>own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World
>>Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not exaggerate
>>when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because of his personal
>>intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the contradictions
>>and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were sufficient to
>>annul the value of his statements and to prove that there was no good faith
>>in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal. Kastner’s affidavit
>>in favor of Becher was a wilfully false affidavit given in favor of a war
>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>
>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of his
>>statements.”
>>
>>Judge Halevi’s verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of libel
>>against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproved
>>accusation – that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also ordered
>>the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli pounds as
>>court costs.
>>
>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial pointed to
>>much more than that.
>>
>>But the story does not end there.
>>
>>The Reaction
>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha’am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>
>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary know now
>>clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder” (23 June 1955)
>>
>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>Government of Israel.
>>
>>As the evening paper *Yedi’ot Aharonot* said:
>>
>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>political and national collapse – as a result of what such a trial may
>>disclose.” (23 June 1955)
>>
>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial, instead
>>it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the government
>>announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed – an appeal filed. What
>>exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an appeal on
>>a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>
>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General of
>>Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel was
>>defending Kastner so strongly:
>>
>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish National
>>Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in
>>this court to defend the representative of our national institutions.”
>>(Hecht, p. 268)
>>
>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner’s collaboration was
>>not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>leadership.
>>
>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court. But
>>the story gets worse.
>>
>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in the
>>name
>>of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point
>>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not ‘fully rehabilitated’.
>>
>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower court –
>>that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being ‘fully
>>rehabilitated’.
>>
>>
>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging these
>>facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two, found
>>that Kastner’s actions were morally justifiable and convicted Greenwald of
>>criminal libel for calling this ‘collaboration’.
>>
>>Kastner’s actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is the
>>defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that prove
>>conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>
>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate Kastner.
>>They joined him.
>>
>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>Chesin:
>>
>>….What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in Kluj,
>>people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the end of
>>their journey…Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying, ‘The
>>Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree’. This vivid
>>description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>>Hungarian Jews, ‘This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without any
>>ideological Jewish backbone’ (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in Budapest,
>>protocol 465).
>>
>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, ‘The Jews
>>of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable, neither
>>physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>>against the deportation scheme’…From this point of view no rescue
>>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to the
>>Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on can properly
>>conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>
>>….And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner when
>>he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result from
>>his great despair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community. Even
>>then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration and
>>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>>Kastner’s efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale…And
>>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and say
>>that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few Jews
>>from Hell – this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their plan to
>>exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>
>>Even if, through these activities of his – or rather, his omission – the
>>extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question is not
>>whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting its
>>doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of his
>>efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he disclose
>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way everybody
>>will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the blood of
>>the few bring if everybody is to perish?…As I said, I am not arguing with
>>the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish District
>>Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his
>>findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the extermination
>>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both from a
>>moral and public point of view…
>>
>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people who
>>boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination, one
>>has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and Marton,
>>and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an hour of
>>crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not warn
>>and did not cry out of the coming danger….
>>
>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District Court
>>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in Hungary
>>during the last war.” (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>
>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner’s contempt for the Hungarian
>>Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what many
>>other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did – concealing their knowledge of
>>the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist ‘leaders’ boarded a different
>>train for Palestine.
>>
>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>>
>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among the
>>leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have a
>>clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing here
>>with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>>guilt of others….
>>
>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into an
>>opinion….’Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray of
>>hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>>result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret of the
>>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the few –
>>therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of collaborating
>>with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews, even though, in
>>fact, he brought about its result.’
>>
>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive such
>>an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in cooperation
>>with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and without the
>>knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the decisive
>>consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from the
>>testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of the
>>Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been able
>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings, concealment of
>>children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money, bribery, etc. –
>>and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds of
>>thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty
>>and with an extreme ‘no’ the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue
>>ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he
>>decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as
>>his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to a
>>claim of such good faith…
>>
>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people die
>>so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will come
>>out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an individual
>>erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other patients. He
>>is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>
>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with complete
>>loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue operation
>>could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>
>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which was
>>put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then Kastner
>>himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make this
>>claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report to the
>>Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in the
>>countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue, and
>>the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed the
>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or resisting
>>the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and activity.
>>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing…
>>
>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>
>>A. That the Nazis didn’t want to have a great revolt – nor small revolts,
>>and their passion was to have the extermination machine working
>>smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner from
>>the best source – from Eichmann himself – And he had additional proofs of
>>that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics which
>>were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>>
>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with – or the
>>escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming murder.
>>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
>>evidence for this.
>>
>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire of
>>the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>
>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner…He who is capable of rescuing
>>this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great war
>>criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his eyes…I couldn’t base
>>the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it is
>>attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws retroactive
>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>conclusion.”(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>
>>
>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever their
>>attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have been
>>under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate collaboration
>>with the Nazis.
>>
>>But Judge Silberg’s judgement was that of a minority.
>>
>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>
>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration with
>>the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>
>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner gave
>>on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to remain
>>a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with an
>>estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>
>>Becher has even used his certification as a ‘good’ SS officer to give
>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in West
>>Germany.
>>
>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with the
>>Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only pressure
>>that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for fear of what
>>might come out.
>>
>>Likewise, none of Kastner’s associates on the Zionist Relief and Rescue
>>Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on trial .
>>Let alone the hundreds of ‘prominents’ who helped Kastner to reassure the
>>Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz,
>>in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them eventually to
>>Palestine.
>>
>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did was
>>approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership in
>>Palestine. He is ‘now dead’. Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957
>>he was shot by Zeev Eckstein – immediately after the appeal hearings were
>>concluded, and before the judgement ‘rehabilitating’ him was delivered.
>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the
>>Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another ‘fantastic
>>allegation’ no doubt; but admitted in court during the murder trial).

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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:29:43 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On 13 Oct 1998 03:36:24 GMT,(Kenneth McVay SOBC) wrote:
>
>On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:00:36 -0400, wrote:
>>Hey Warr,
>
>>Get some new material. Fran Dresher you aint. Henny Youngman could do better
>>sleepwalking.
>
>On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:00:54 +0200, “Rob” wrote:
>
>>You are right!!!
>
>On 10 Oct 1998 18:46:42 GMT, (Kenneth McVay SOBC) wrote:
>
>JEWISH JOKES
>
>How was copper wiring invented?
>Two Jews fighting over a penny!
>
>
>How is Christmas celebrated in a Jewish home?
>They put parking meters on the roof!
>
>
>Why is money green?
>Because Jews pick it before it’s ripe!
>
>
>What candy did Hitler hate more then any other?
>Jew Jew Beans… Although I heard he enjoyed them “roasted!”
>
>
>If Tarzan and Jane were Jewish, what would Cheetah be?
>A fur coat!
>
>
>Why don’t Jews eat pork?
>They may be a lot of things, but CANNIBALS they’re not!
>
>
>Why aren’t Jews attacked by sharks?
>Professional courtesy!
>
>
>Do you know how to keep Jews out of a country club?
>Let one in, and he’ll keep the rest out.
>
>
>What’s the Jewish version of foreplay?
>Half an hour of begging.
>
>
>How can you tell the mother-in-law at a Jewish wedding?
>She’s the one on her hands and knees picking up the rice!
>
>
>Did you hear about the new tires, Firestein?
>They not only stop on a dime, they also pick it up!
>
>
>What’s the difference between a circumcision and crucifixion?
>In a crucifixion, they throw the whole Jew out!
>
>
>Why did the Jews wander in the desert for 40 years?
>Someone dropped a quarter!
>
>
>Why do Jews have such big noses?
>Because air is free.
>
>
>What did the Jewish mother ask her daughter when she learned she had
>an
>affair?
>Who catered it?
>
>
>What happens when a Jew with an erection walks into a wall?
>He breaks his nose.
>
>
>What’s a Jewish dilemma?
>Free ham.
>
>
>What’s the difference between a Jewish bitch and a barracuda?
>Nail polish.
>
>
>What’s the difference between an elephant and a Jew?
>An elephant eventually forgets.
>
>
>A nigger was walking down the street, kicking some rubbish out of his
>way,
>when he spotted something amid the trash that gleamed
>strangely. It urned out to be an oddly shaped bottle, and when he
>rubbed it, a
>Jewish genie appeared. “I’ll give you two wishes,” quipped
>the genie. “Far out,” said the black man. “First, I want to be white,
>uptight,
>and out of sight!” Second, I want to be surrounded by warm,
>sweet pussy. So the genie turned him into a TAMPON! The moral of this
>story:
>You can’t get anything from a Jew without strings
>attached!
>
>
>How do you stop a Jewish girl from fucking you?
>Marry her!
>
>
>Why do jewish bitches only sleep with circumcised men?
>They want 20% off everything!
>
>
>What’s the difference between between karate and judo?
>Karate is a form of self-defense, and judo is what bagels are made of.
>
>
>Did you hear that the limbo was invented by the Jews?
>Yeah, from sneaking into pay toilets.
>
>
>What’s the definition of a queer Jew?
>Someone that likes girls more then money.
>
>
>What do you call ten Jewish bitches in a basement?
>A WHINE cellar.
>
>
>Why did the Jewish mother have herself entombed at Bloomingdales?
>So her daughter would visit at least twice a week.
>
>
>What’s the difference between a vulture and a Jew?
>A vulture waits until you’re dead to eat your heart out!
>
>—–== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion
>==—–
>http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based
>newsreading
>
>
>
>On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:06:02 -0700, “WaRR”
>wrote:
>
>>what do you get when you cross a jewish women and an arab women??
>>oil of no lay!!
>
>>=what is the difference between karate and judo?
>>karate is the art of self-defense, and judo is what bagels are made of.
>
>>=i knew a jewish woman once who thought the apostle’s creed was
>>what fought rocky balboa.
>
>>=what’s the difference between a jewish british princess and a toilet?
>>a toilet doesn’t follow you around for 9 months after you use it.
>
>>=did you hear that al italia and el al were merging to form a new airline?
>>it’s called well i’ll tell ya.=what do you call a jewish woman’s waterbed?
>>the dead sea. second prize: lake placid.
>
>>=how was copper wire invented?
>> by 2 jews fighting over a penny.
>
>>=why are jewish men circumcised?
>> because jewish women won’t buy anything unless it’s 20% off.
>
>>=what do you call an uncircumcised jewish baby?
>>a girl.
>
>>=what do you get when you cross a jewish british princess & a computer?
>>a computer that never goes down on you.
>>=what’s a jewish british princess’ favorite wine?
>> i wanna go to palmsprings.
>>=how do you know a jewish british princess has an orgasm?
>>she drops her nail file.
>
>>=what do you have when you get 3 jewish british princesses together
>>with 3 other women who have yeast infections?a whine and cheese party.
>>=how many jewish british princesses does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
>>two, one to get a diet coke and one to call daddy.
>
>>=why do jewish girls like prostitution?
>>because they can sell it again and again and again.
>
>>=what’s the difference between a jewish british princess and jello?
>>jello moves when you eat it.
>
>>=how does a jewish british princess do it doggie style?
>>she makes him beg for an hour.
>
>>=what’s the difference between a jewish british princess and a catholic
>>british princess?
>>the catholic british princess has fake jewelry and real orgasms.
>
>>=what’s the difference between jews and canoes?
>>canoes tip. ( THIS ONE FREAKS ME OUT :)))))
>
>>=what’s the difference between jews and pizzas?
>>pizzas don’t scream when you put them in the oven.
>
>>=what is a jewish dilemma?
>>free ham.
>
>>=what do you call a jewish piano?
>>a cash register.
>
>>=how many jews does it take to change a light bulb?
>>none. they are used to sitting in the dark.
>
>>=did you hear about the rabbi who did free circumcisions?
>>he only took tips.
>
>>=how many jews can you fit in a vw?
>>two in the front, two in the back, and ten thousand in the ash tray.
>
>>=a priest, a baptist minister, and a rabbi were asked how they would
>>divide up some gold coins between themselves and god. the priest
>>replied, “i’d draw a line down the middle of the room, throw the
>>coins in the air, and whatever landed on one side goes to god,
>>the other to me.” the minister replied, “i’d draw a circle in
>>the middle of the room, and whatever lands inside is for god,
>>outside for me.” the rabbi’s answer was, he wouldn’t draw any
>>line, just throw the money in the air and whatever god caughthe could keep.
>
>>=an italian, a jew, and a homosexual were walking down the street and
>>were hit by the same bolt of lightning. next thing they know they’re
>>in front of st. peter begging for a second chance. “ok,” he says,
>>”but on one condition: you must give up that which you love the most.
>>if you don’t, you go straight to hell.” after agreeing, they find
>>themselves back on the street and they start walking again. a few
>>blocks down they pass a pizza store. “i can’t help myself!” says the
>>italian… he goes in, takes a bite of pizza, and poof!, he
>>disappears. so the jew and the homosexual continue walking
>>down the street. the jew sees a penny on the sidewalk. “i can’t
>>help myself!” he says. he reaches for the penny and poof! the
>>homosexual disappears.
>
>>yours truly
>
>>WaRR
>-88-
>

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On Fri, 01 May 1998 14:06:39 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>Interesting artcile from Deja News.
>If true, why no legal action??
>
>>From – Tue Sep 23 12:47:40 1997
>>Return-path:
>
>>From: NSWPP-CSU
>>Subject: Jewish Mafia Controls Ukrainian Media
>
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>Jewish Mafia Takes Over Ukrainian and E. European Television———-
>
>According to an article in the April 5, 1997 N.Y. Times, “TV Venture
>by Cosmetics Heir Raises Questions,” Zionist mogul and former U.S.
>ambassador to Austria Ronald Lauder, has united with Vadim Rabinovich,
>a Ukrainian millionaire who spent nine years in prison for theft and
>has ties to the Jewish mafia in Ukraine, to build a media
>empire–Central European Media
>Enterprises– in the countries of the former Soviet Union.
>
>The Jewish owned Central European Media controls television stations
>in seven East European countries in the region. Ukrainian TV is
>controlled by its subsidiary, the Studio 11 Group, its local partner
>in Kiev.
>
>Rabinovich is linked to Grigory Loutchansky, a Russian-Jew, whose
>company, Nordex, is believed to be a front for the Russian-Jewish
>mafia.
>
>The Times says, “Rabinovich was jailed from 1982 to 1990 for theft
>from the state. He said in an interview that he had been chief of a
>construction brigade and had sold goods to private customers. He said
>he had committed no real crime and had been persecuted for being
>Jewish.
>
>”…Central European Media sought to expand into Ukraine a year ago.
>At the outset, Fertig (its chief of operations) said, its
>representatives were referred to Rabinovich and his partners by a
>close adviser and assistant to President Leonid Kuchma of Ukraine,
>who praised the Ukraine group. And when questions arose about the
>legality of the broadcast license received by the joint venture, the
>same presidential adviser obtained a letter declaring that the license
>had been awarded properly.
>
>”…(C)oncerns about his business activities led the British
>government to bar Loutchansky from entering the country…An
>intelligence summary prepared by a Western government, and
>corroborated by senior U.S. diplomats, said Ostex, one of Rabinovich’s
>companies, had been created as an arm of Nordex, a claim that
>Rabinovich disputed.
>
>”In the interview in his office in a modern building in Kiev,
>Rabinovich said he had worked with Nordex for about a year but had
>broken off the relationship two years ago because of bad publicity
>about Loutchansky. He said his companies, which are engaged in many
>businesses, had only legitimate interests…
>
>”Lauder, whose mother founded Estee Lauder Cosmetics, created Central
>European Media in 1994. He predicted last year that the company would
>have annual revenues of $1 billion within five years, but it has run
>up steady losses to date. The company reported last month that it lost
>$30 million in 1996 compared with losses of $18.7 million in 1995 and
>$20.5 million in 1994.
>
>”When the company sought to enter the Ukraine market a year ago,
>Fertig said, its executives were referred to Rabinovich and his
>partners in Studio 11 by Oleksandra Volkov, an assistant and close
>adviser to Kuchma.
>
>Western diplomats and businessmen said Volkov also owned a piece of
>Studio 11, but Fertig said he was unaware of that investment.
>
>”Along with the recommendation from the presidential adviser, the
>company executives also were impressed by a photograph in Rabinovich’s
>office that showed him with President Clinton and Vice President Al
>Gore, according to a person close to the company.
>
>”The photograph was taken in late 1995 at a Democratic fund-raising
>party in Miami, Rabinovich said. He said he had not donated money to
>the Democrats but had been invited to the event by Bennett LeBow, an
>American businessman whose interests include Liggett Group, the big
>cigarette manufacturer.
>
>”…Last summer Central European Media negotiated a partnership
>agreement with Studio 11 Group that gave the American company a 50
>percent economic interest in the operation, which was broadcasting
>about five hours a day on Ukrainian television.
>
>”Studio 11 received a license last fall to expand its broadcast time
>on Ukraine’s commercial channel, UT 2, to nine hours a day, including
>prime time. The license, also sought by other companies, was issued
>despite a moratorium imposed by Parliament.
>
>”…The Ukraine deal is important to Central European Media. In a
>stock offering last fall, which raised $132 million, the company said
>the Ukraine partnership had more than doubled its market reach.
>
>”A cablegram from the embassy to the State Department in Washington in
>September raised questions about Rabinovich’s background and said he
>was ‘largely considered beyond the reach of the law in Ukraine,’
>according to a copy provided to The New York Times.” (End quote).
>
>Once again we see the worldwide Media Monopoly extend its suzerainty
>thanks to their Money Power and the betrayal of the people by the
>Pres. of Ukraine and other Judases.
>
>
>>for further info contact http://www.nswpp.org

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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:26:38 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:00:54 +0200, “Rob” wrote:
>
>>You are right!!!
>
>On 10 Oct 1998 18:46:42 GMT, (Kenneth McVay SOBC) wrote:
>
>JEWISH JOKES
>
>How was copper wiring invented?
>Two Jews fighting over a penny!
>
>
>How is Christmas celebrated in a Jewish home?
>They put parking meters on the roof!
>
>
>Why is money green?
>Because Jews pick it before it’s ripe!
>
>
>What candy did Hitler hate more then any other?
>Jew Jew Beans… Although I heard he enjoyed them “roasted!”
>
>
>If Tarzan and Jane were Jewish, what would Cheetah be?
>A fur coat!
>
>
>Why don’t Jews eat pork?
>They may be a lot of things, but CANNIBALS they’re not!
>
>
>Why aren’t Jews attacked by sharks?
>Professional courtesy!
>
>
>Do you know how to keep Jews out of a country club?
>Let one in, and he’ll keep the rest out.
>
>
>What’s the Jewish version of foreplay?
>Half an hour of begging.
>
>
>How can you tell the mother-in-law at a Jewish wedding?
>She’s the one on her hands and knees picking up the rice!
>
>
>Did you hear about the new tires, Firestein?
>They not only stop on a dime, they also pick it up!
>
>
>What’s the difference between a circumcision and crucifixion?
>In a crucifixion, they throw the whole Jew out!
>
>
>Why did the Jews wander in the desert for 40 years?
>Someone dropped a quarter!
>
>
>Why do Jews have such big noses?
>Because air is free.
>
>
>What did the Jewish mother ask her daughter when she learned she had
>an
>affair?
>Who catered it?
>
>
>What happens when a Jew with an erection walks into a wall?
>He breaks his nose.
>
>
>What’s a Jewish dilemma?
>Free ham.
>
>
>What’s the difference between a Jewish bitch and a barracuda?
>Nail polish.
>
>
>What’s the difference between an elephant and a Jew?
>An elephant eventually forgets.
>
>
>A nigger was walking down the street, kicking some rubbish out of his
>way,
>when he spotted something amid the trash that gleamed
>strangely. It urned out to be an oddly shaped bottle, and when he
>rubbed it, a
>Jewish genie appeared. “I’ll give you two wishes,” quipped
>the genie. “Far out,” said the black man. “First, I want to be white,
>uptight,
>and out of sight!” Second, I want to be surrounded by warm,
>sweet pussy. So the genie turned him into a TAMPON! The moral of this
>story:
>You can’t get anything from a Jew without strings
>attached!
>
>
>How do you stop a Jewish girl from fucking you?
>Marry her!
>
>
>Why do jewish bitches only sleep with circumcised men?
>They want 20% off everything!
>
>
>What’s the difference between between karate and judo?
>Karate is a form of self-defense, and judo is what bagels are made of.
>
>
>Did you hear that the limbo was invented by the Jews?
>Yeah, from sneaking into pay toilets.
>
>
>What’s the definition of a queer Jew?
>Someone that likes girls more then money.
>
>
>What do you call ten Jewish bitches in a basement?
>A WHINE cellar.
>
>
>Why did the Jewish mother have herself entombed at Bloomingdales?
>So her daughter would visit at least twice a week.
>
>
>What’s the difference between a vulture and a Jew?
>A vulture waits until you’re dead to eat your heart out!
>
>—–== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion
>==—–
>http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based
>newsreading
>
>
>
>On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:06:02 -0700, “WaRR”
>wrote:
>
>>what do you get when you cross a jewish women and an arab women??
>>oil of no lay!!
>
>>=what is the difference between karate and judo?
>>karate is the art of self-defense, and judo is what bagels are made of.
>
>>=i knew a jewish woman once who thought the apostle’s creed was
>>what fought rocky balboa.
>
>>=what’s the difference between a jewish british princess and a toilet?
>>a toilet doesn’t follow you around for 9 months after you use it.
>
>>=did you hear that al italia and el al were merging to form a new airline?
>>it’s called well i’ll tell ya.=what do you call a jewish woman’s waterbed?
>>the dead sea. second prize: lake placid.
>
>>=how was copper wire invented?
>> by 2 jews fighting over a penny.
>
>>=why are jewish men circumcised?
>> because jewish women won’t buy anything unless it’s 20% off.
>
>>=what do you call an uncircumcised jewish baby?
>>a girl.
>
>>=what do you get when you cross a jewish british princess & a computer?
>>a computer that never goes down on you.
>>=what’s a jewish british princess’ favorite wine?
>> i wanna go to palmsprings.
>>=how do you know a jewish british princess has an orgasm?
>>she drops her nail file.
>
>>=what do you have when you get 3 jewish british princesses together
>>with 3 other women who have yeast infections?a whine and cheese party.
>>=how many jewish british princesses does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
>>two, one to get a diet coke and one to call daddy.
>
>>=why do jewish girls like prostitution?
>>because they can sell it again and again and again.
>
>>=what’s the difference between a jewish british princess and jello?
>>jello moves when you eat it.
>
>>=how does a jewish british princess do it doggie style?
>>she makes him beg for an hour.
>
>>=what’s the difference between a jewish british princess and a catholic
>>british princess?
>>the catholic british princess has fake jewelry and real orgasms.
>
>>=what’s the difference between jews and canoes?
>>canoes tip. ( THIS ONE FREAKS ME OUT :)))))
>
>>=what’s the difference between jews and pizzas?
>>pizzas don’t scream when you put them in the oven.
>
>>=what is a jewish dilemma?
>>free ham.
>
>>=what do you call a jewish piano?
>>a cash register.
>
>>=how many jews does it take to change a light bulb?
>>none. they are used to sitting in the dark.
>
>>=did you hear about the rabbi who did free circumcisions?
>>he only took tips.
>
>>=how many jews can you fit in a vw?
>>two in the front, two in the back, and ten thousand in the ash tray.
>
>>=a priest, a baptist minister, and a rabbi were asked how they would
>>divide up some gold coins between themselves and god. the priest
>>replied, “i’d draw a line down the middle of the room, throw the
>>coins in the air, and whatever landed on one side goes to god,
>>the other to me.” the minister replied, “i’d draw a circle in
>>the middle of the room, and whatever lands inside is for god,
>>outside for me.” the rabbi’s answer was, he wouldn’t draw any
>>line, just throw the money in the air and whatever god caughthe could keep.
>
>>=an italian, a jew, and a homosexual were walking down the street and
>>were hit by the same bolt of lightning. next thing they know they’re
>>in front of st. peter begging for a second chance. “ok,” he says,
>>”but on one condition: you must give up that which you love the most.
>>if you don’t, you go straight to hell.” after agreeing, they find
>>themselves back on the street and they start walking again. a few
>>blocks down they pass a pizza store. “i can’t help myself!” says the
>>italian… he goes in, takes a bite of pizza, and poof!, he
>>disappears. so the jew and the homosexual continue walking
>>down the street. the jew sees a penny on the sidewalk. “i can’t
>>help myself!” he says. he reaches for the penny and poof! the
>>homosexual disappears.
>
>>yours truly
>
>>WaRR
>-88-

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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:00:16 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Sun, 06 Sep 1998 06:28:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:53:37 GMT, NSWPP wrote:
>>
>>>LARGEST Social Security Fraud in London’s History
>>>
>>>DAILY MAIL
>>>Monday June 15 1998
>>>By DAVID WILLIAMS and PETER ALLEN
>>>
>>>
>>>Revealed: The men accused in
>>>31.8 million State Benefit Racket
>>>
>>>THESE are the men being investigated by fraud-busters
>>>over an alleged 1.8 million benefits racket. The case was
>>>highlighted last month by Welfare Reform Minister Frank
>>>Field as part of a crack-down launched by Labour aimed at
>>>slashing the £36 billion annual cost of welfare fraud.
>>>
>>>At the time, no one was named. But the Daily Mail has
>>>since tracked down the men at the heart of one of the biggest
>>>ever alleged welfare frauds.
>>>
>>>They are Soloman Kritzler, 39, and Alexander Eichenstein, 38,
>>>who are suspected of masterminding the racket from their
>>>sprawling homes in a North London suburb.
>>>
>>>Detectives have questioned the men and four other members of
>>>what Mr Field described as ‘an extended family’ about
>>>allegations of illegally claiming up to £3,600,000 in housing
>>>benefit and income support. They have also been quizzed
>>>by officers from a special undercover task force set up by
>>>the Department of Social Security (DSS) about a mortgage
>>>fraud worth £31.2 million.
>>>
>>>The investigators are said to be checking on any links with
>>>massive welfare rackets in the United States, where members
>>>of the family, it has been reported, are alleged to have used
>>>fake identities to make bogus benefit claims.
>>>
>>>Both men hold trusted positions at the centre of the
>>>ultra-Orthodox community of Hasidic Jews in Stamford Hill,
>>>North London, where details of the unprecedented investigation
>>>has caused consider-able anger.
>>>
>>>At the home he shares with his wife Esther and their daughter,
>>>Kritzler protested his innocence and said he would fight
>>>to clear his name.
>>>
>>>’This investigation is without foundation and is a complete
>>>waste of taxpayers’ money,’ he insisted. ‘All of our finances
>>>are in good order. There has been no fraud.
>>>
>>>’It may well be that we are the victims of anti-semitism.
>>>This seems to be an attack on the law-abiding, decent
>>>community which we have here. We just want to be able to
>>>get on with our lives in peace.
>>>
>>>’When we were arrested, a very sick woman was put in a
>>>police cell for a night. She was terribly distressed.
>>>This should not have been allowed to happen.’
>>>
>>>Eichenstein was less forthcoming and when approached
>>>at his family home, his wife Rivka said: ‘He has no
>>>comment to make.’ Eichenstein lists his official home
>>>as a rundown flat some three streets from the spacious home
>>>where his wife and children live.
>>>
>>>Partners at the North London chartered accountancy firm
>>>which acts as the registered office for the majority of
>>>the men’s companies con-firmed that they had been contacted
>>>by detectives, and that fraud experts were preparing
>>>to examine their records.
>>>
>>>Fraud investigators are focusing their inquiries on a
>>>network of companies and properties associated
>>>with the family.
>>>
>>>All of the properties linked to Kritzler and Eichenstein
>>>are within a stone’s throw of each other on the Stamford
>>>Hill/Stoke Newington borders. One firm, Acemark Properties
>>>Ltd. is listed at Eichenstein’s home.
>>>
>>>Kritzler has been director of London-based Empire properties
>>>since January and Amvex Investments since 1992.
>>>
>>>The streets of Stamford Hill are an unlikely setting for a
>>>major investigation of this kind. The area enjoys a feeling
>>>of neighbourly trust long lost in the crime-ridden districts nearby.
>>>
>>>Police activity is all but non-existent – patrol cars are
>>>already overstretched by the criminal activity related
>>>to the numerous drug dealers and prostitutes in the
>>>southern sector of the Stoke Newington police beat.
>>>
>>>
>>>Both men, together with three women and another man to
>>>whom they are related are currently on bail and have to
>>>return to Stoke Newington police station at the
>>>end of this month.
>>>
>>>The arrest of the suspects -following simultaneous raids
>>>on four houses in April – is seen by Mr Field as the first
>>>of a series of high profile swoops by the new DSS team.
>>>
>>>Ministers have decided that they want to ‘name and shame’
>>>convicted benefit cheats in an attempt to foster a
>>>’revival of common decencies’.
>>>
>>>The pilot DSS task force was set up to target organised
>>>housing benefit rackets in London – an initiative which
>>>the Government now plans to extend right across the country.
>>>
>>>The team discovered that professional crooks were exploiting
>>>loopholes in welfare security to set up fictitious
>>>identities and make bogus claims for a wide range of
>>>benefit allowances in various parts of London and
>>>other cities in Britain.
>>>
>>>Mr Field is determined to crack down on an area of crime
>>>bleeding tens of millions of pounds each week.
>>>
>>>The Minister said: ‘We are going for the big boys, while
>>>at the same time recognising that we have to bring in much
>>>tighter controls on what is the single biggest budget in
>>>Britain today.’
>>>
>>>He has admitted that the annual benefits bill of nearly £31
>>>billion remains wide open to fraud and corruption despite
>>>repeated attempts by Whitehall to crack down on the swindlers.
>>>
>>>————————————–
>>>

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On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:53:10 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>The news article has been recorded by the Seattle Times newspaper in
>the USA, as well as the Telegraph in Britain, as cited in prior
>articles.
>
>If you can read, then just visit their websites and see the original
>texts.
>
>
>On 26 Apr 1998 06:12:59 GMT, [email protected] (SBobrow940) wrote:
>>Second: your reference material presumably written by certain
>>Brian Rigg does not show during search of Internet libraries.
>>Provide detailed information on your “professor” and the “book”,
>>including the publisher and the year.
>>Slawomir Bobrowski
>
>
>>>

Subject: Re: How Many Jews Really Died??
>>>From: [email protected]
>>>Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 22:34 EDT
>>>On 25 Apr 1998 16:44:07 GMT, [email protected] (SBobrow940) wrote:
>
>>>>First of all, how do you know how many Jews served in the Reich military
>>>under
>>>>Hitler?
>
>>>Read the referenced articles detailed, from records of the Wehrmacht,
>>>researched by a British professor, among others, and well reported
>>>worldwide.
>
>>>Perhaps instead of making racial ad hominem comments, you may wish to
>>>comment directly on the points documented??
>
>>>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>>>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>
>>>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>>>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>
>
>>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand wrote:
>>>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>
>>>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at. See the
>>>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>
>>>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>>>be.
>
>>>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>
>>>>”All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren’t
>>>>counted by any census – simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>>>anybody who couldn’t present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>>>million? We will never know.”
>
>>>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>
>>>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>>>most of them probably left and survived.
>
>>>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>>>persons died–e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>
>>>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>
>>>sperati wrote:
>>>> ———- Forwarded message ———-
>>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>>> From: stefan lemieszewski
>>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>
>>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>
>>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>>> titled “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.” If someone has access I would
>>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>>> —————————————————————————
>
>>>> North Shore News
>>>> February 2, 1997
>
>>>> Insights from abroad
>>>> Doug Collins
>
>>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>
>>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>>> served in Hiler’s forces as high ranking officers.
>
>>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>>> about “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.”
>
>>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>>> was Erhard Milch, who “masterminded German aircraft production and
>>>> transformed the Luftwaffe.” His father was Jewish.
>
>>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of “mixed Jewish race or
>>>> married to Jews.” They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>
>>>> Seventeen “Jews in Nazi uniform” were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>>> Germany’s highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>>> more. The research is continuing.
>
>>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>>> alive.
>
>>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>>> father, “wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle.”
>
>>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>>> whether they were “victims or perpetrators.”
>
>>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>
>>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>>> documents in the process.
>
>>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler’s Germany; also that no Jew
>>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>
>>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, “It makes
>>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated.”
>
>>>> He stated, too, that Rigg’s research would “inform both the argument
>>>> about Hitler’s role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans.”
>
>>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg’s research may be
>>>> used by “deniers.” But most “deniers” do not deny that large numbers of
>>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>
>>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>
>>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>>> was a Jew.
>
>>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>
>>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>>> one were seen as “mixed race” and were also denied full citizenship.
>
>>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>
>>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of “Aryan descent.” Milch, sentenced to a
>>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>
>>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>
>>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>>> plotting against Hitler.
>
>>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>
>>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>>> wonder why?
>
>>>> —The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>
>>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>

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On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:27:07 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:38:00 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>Came across the article in deja News, so thought it should be
>>reconsidered by thinking readers.
>>
>>
>>On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:50:37 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>>
>>>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism – Don’t Deny It
>>>From: [email protected] (Roger Hughes)
>>>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>>>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation
>>
>>
>>>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
>>
>>> One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called “Russian
>>>Revolution” of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>>>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>>>them, continue to condemn anyone as “anti-Semitic” who brings up these
>>>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>>>and lead revolutionary movement.
>>
>>> First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx,
>>>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father’s side.
>>>Whether he was a “religous” Jew is of no significant importance, since
>>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>>>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
>>
>>> While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will
>>>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let’s see the them deny the
>>>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that
>>>passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
>>>during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
>>>quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
>>>Archives:
>>
>>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>>>general in Moscow, Summers: “Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
>>>anti-Jewish feeling growing among population….”
>>
>>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
>>>5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: “Fifty percent of Soviet government in
>>>each town consists of Jews of the worst type.”
>>
>>>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>>>Montgomey Shuyler: “It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>>>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it’s
>>>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type.”
>>
>>
>>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports
>>>on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: “…(T)here were 384
>>>`commissars’ including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
>>>Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to
>>>Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
>>>Government.”
>>
>>>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>>>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>>>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>>>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>>>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>>>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>>>Bolshevik party’s executive secretary and – as chairman of the Central
>>>Executive Committee – head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>>>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>>>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>>>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign
>>>affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and
>>>Moisei Uritsky.
>>
>>>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>>>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: “The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>>>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little
>>>for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
>>>trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”
>>
>>>The Netherlands’ ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>>>”Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>>>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>>>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>>>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things.”
>>
>>>In case anyone thinks I’ve taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>>>here’s three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>>>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda
>>>Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
>>>United States Senate, 65th Congress:
>>
>>>”We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>>>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side
>>>of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
>>>Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that
>>>there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
>>>showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these
>>>men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in
>>>this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
>>>more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
>>>Jews…I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one
>>>of its bases is found in the east side of New York…The latest
>>>startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
>>>startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the northern
>>>community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
>>>regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
>>>out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
>>>exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
>>>Gordon.
>>
>>>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>>>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on
>>>the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
>>>often remarked to my sister, ‘Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
>>>all looks so Yiddish.’ Up to that time we had see very few Jews, because
>>>there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in Petrograd,
>>>but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the agitators
>>>were Jews.
>>
>>>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>>>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>>>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that
>>>was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
>>>did not take kindly to it.”
>>
>>>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>>>”anti-Semitic” and therefore unreliable, but they’d be wrong. Here’s a
>>>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>>
>>>”The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>>>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>>>physical forces, become a reality all over the world.” (The American
>>>Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
>>
>>>”There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>>>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>>>many of the highest ideals of Judaism.” (Jewish Chronicle, London April,
>>>4, 1919)
>>
>>>”Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism.” (The American Bulletin, Rabbi
>>>S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>>
>>>”In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>>>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>>>the total population.” (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
>>
>>>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>>>so-called “anti-Semitism” a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>>>himself:
>>
>>>”National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
>>>characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
>>>extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>>cannibalism…under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
>>>penalty.” (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>>
>>>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>>>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>>>virtually untouched.
>>
>>>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>>>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920’s in one of the most vile
>>>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, “Jews made up nearly 80 percent
>>>of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,” reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
>>>American professor of Russian history. . . ”
>>
>>>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were
>>>murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
>>>directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
>>>Communist bosses.
>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Roger Hughes
>>
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>Towards a New Consciousness; a New Order; a New People
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> http://www.natall.com
>>> http://www.natvan.com
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Roger’s Page http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
>>> Keep It White Because You Know It’s Right!
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>Abusive emails will be posted to the Usenet and ridiculed.
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:33:31 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:33:18 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:01:35 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>in support of his jew faggot lovers:
>>On 1 Jul 1998 20:49:49 GMT, [email protected] (Billy Bob
>>Throckmorton) wrote:
>>>In article , [email protected]
>>>says…
>>>>On 1 Jul 1998 12:17:04 GMT, Doc Tavish, hiding behind
>>> wrote:

>>>>>How many Jews have you ever seen denounce this filthy
>>>>>lifestyle? See what I mean!?

>>>>ROTFL!!! Why should we denounce it?

>>>So you do approve what G-d has condemned? Very interesting indeed. It shows
>>>why Jews have been vomited out of all the lands they have infested if one
>>>is to accept the Torah!

>>>>It’s part of the plan to destroy the filthy, inferior ary*n race!
>>>>Encouraging ary*n homosexuality (pretty easy to do, since they’re
>>>>already so prone to it) helps keep the white birth rate down.

>>>So you are confessing now that Jews aren’t white also?

>>>>Every little bit helps…

>>>Your simple admission tells all that homosexuality comes
>>>from Jews! In my studies of the Jew I have learned that the Law
>>>given to Moses was for Jews only and not for the people of the
>>>nations or the Goy.

>>>See: http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=325176411
>>>and
>>>http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=364072939
>>>Subject: The Noachide Laws

>>>What does G-d require from non-Jews?
>>>————————————————————–

>>>Our sages teach us that G-d gave seven laws or commandments that are
>>>binding on all humanity. The first six of these laws were given to
>>>Adam. Because the last of these seven commandments was given to Noah
>>>and his sons, the seven laws are collectively referred to as “the
>>>Noachide Laws”, or “the Commandments of Noah’s Sons”.

>>>The Noachide Laws are:

>>>1. Not to worship idols;
>>>2. Not to curse G-d;
>>>3. To establish courts of justice (some say, not to pervert justice);
>>>4. Not to murder;
>>>5. Not to commit adultery or incest;
>>>6. Not to steal;
>>>7. Not to eat flesh from a living animal.

>>>The Oral Law (the Talmud) teaches clearly that whoever obeys these
>>>seven commandments has a portion in the world to come.

>>> Abraham was the first person in history to publicly proclaim the
>>>Noachide Laws to the masses, although there certainly were righteous
>>>persons before Abraham who knew these commandments and practiced them
>>>(Noah himself, to name just one).

>>>The Torah was given exclusively to the Jews, along with the
>>>responsibility to inform the world of the universal commandments.
>>> ———–END————

>>>I guess this is why homosexual acts were mentioned in your Torah! It
>>>appears you Jew boys liked buggering each other up the ass thousands of
>>>years ago. If this weren’t true then why would
>>>G-d have told Moses (as depicted in the Jewish Torah):

>>>http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/vtx/chumash

>>>Acharey Mot, Leviticus Chapter 18

>>>18 : 22 Do not lie with a male as you would with a woman, since this
>>>is a disgusting perversion.
>>>18 : 23 Do not perform any sexual act with an animal, since it will
>>>defile you. A woman shall [likewise] not give herself to an animal and
>>>allow it to mate with her. This is an utterly detestable perversion.
>>>18 : 24 Do not let yourselves be defiled by any of these acts. It was
>>>as a result of them that the nations that I am driving away before you
>>>became defiled.
>>>18 : 25 The land became defiled, and when I directed My providence at
>>>the sin committed there, the land vomited out its inhabitants.
>>>18 : 26 You, [however,] must keep My decrees and laws, and not become
>>>involved in any of these disgusting perversions – neither the native
>>>born nor any foreigner who settles among you.
>>>18 : 27 The people who lived in the land before you did all these
>>>disgusting perversions and defiled the land.
>>>18 : 28 But [you shall not cause] the land to vomit you out when you
>>>defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was there before you.

>>>The same Torah also says:
>>>Chumash References
>>>Kedoshim, Leviticus Chapter 20

>>>20 : 7 You must sanctify yourselves and be holy, for I am God your
>>>Lord.
>>>20 : 8 Safeguard My decrees and keep them, since I am God [and] I am
>>>making you holy.
>>>20 : 9 Any person who curses his father or mother shall therefore be
>>>put to death. Since he has cursed his father or mother, he shall be
>>>stoned to death.
>>>20 : 10 If a man commits adultery with a married woman, [and] she is
>>>the wife of a fellow [Israelite], both the adulterer and adulteress
>>>shall be put to death.
>>>20 : 11 If a man has intercourse with his father’s wife, he has
>>>committed a sexual offense against his father. Therefore, both of them
>>>shall be put to death by stoning.
>>>20 : 12 If a man has intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of
>>>them shall be put to death. Since they have committed an utterly
>>>detestable perversion, they shall be stoned to death.
>>>20 : 13 If a man has intercourse with another man in the same manner
>>>as with a woman, both of them have committed a disgusting perversion.
>>>They shall be put to death by stoning.

>>>>BTW, for information on rampant homosexuality amongst your
>>>>ary*n “heroes:” see “The Pink Swatstika:”

>>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~lively/

>>>I could care less but Jeffrey Georg Brown may be interested.
>>>I hope and pray that America “vomits” out its filth soon as well!
>>>You all will not be missed!

>>> Billy Bob

>>>>Bob Alpert * balpert “at” netaxs.com * Author of the Jewish Conspiracy
>>sven88

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On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:00:33 -0600, [email protected] wrote:

>In view of the well documented fact that almost half of the 600,000 JEWS
>in Germany prior to WWII were then in the German military, onemust
>consider whether these JEWS working for Hitler, were in fact a positive
>role model???
>
>
>
>PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>
>> Positive Jewish role models
>>
>> Alan Silver.. wrote:
>> >
>> > once again, your point is extremely obscure, and irrelevant. Whatever
>> > collaboration there may have been, even if it was entirely voluntary, does
>> > not for an instant excuse the crimes of the nazis and their collaborators
>> > — crimes against Jews or Poles or others they used as slave labor, or
>> > whatever.
>> =========
>> Dear Alan,
>>
>> Thank you for your email. I am posting your letter, while removing your
>> signature.
>>
>> You are absolutely correct on the collaboration of Jews with the Nazis.
>> Yes, it is hardly significant. The fact that some Jews collaborated and
>> were bad (or HORRIBLY BAD) is the favorite argument of anti-Semites.
>> Sure there were BAD Jews but perhaps in equal numbers BAD Poles
>> Ukrainians and Germans. We use the above factual anti-Semitic argument
>> very infrequently, since we are not anti-Semites.
>>
>> actually, we are true philo-Semite, who LOVE Jewish culture, tradition
>> and admire Jewish achievements world over. (And yes I am jelous of it
>> in a benign manner, like I am jelous of my billionaire neighbors here in
>> Greenwich while I can not afford to buy a house.)
>>
>> Out of this admiration (of even Jewish kitchen i.e. sweets) I feel that
>> Jews should be warned about their pathological dependece on fictitious
>> martyrology. The myth of Massada has been debunked about two years ago
>> by Israeli archeologists. It is about the time that the mythical parts
>> of the WW II Holocasut should be also debunked, especially those which
>> defame Poles and Ukrainians of whom 2,000 lost lives for hiding and
>> helping Jews.
>>
>> Thus it is important to find the first and subsequent mass graves and
>> bones of the 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the time to cremate.
>>
>> Thus it is important that Jews LOUDLY refute that in Yedvabne Polish
>> boys decapitated Jewish maidens in July 1941 and used their heads to
>> play soccer and their parents burned alive 1,600 of the Yedvabne Jews in
>> a barn on July 11, 19941.
>>
>> Equally imoportant is to prove and refute the fact that Poles killed
>> 42-70 Jews in 1946 in Kielce or 5,000 during 1945-1946 throught Poland.
>>
>> Simultaneously we attempt to convince you to raise your youth on the
>> countless positive Jewish role models starting from B. Spoinoza and many
>> many others. My favorites are Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan and perhaps Y.
>> Rubin.
>> ————
>> Jozef pawlikowski
>>
>> >
>> > ———-
>> > > From: PAWLIKOWSKI >> > > Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish; soc.culture.jewish; soc.culture.russian
>> > > Subject: Re: Jewish police zyd. Ordnungdienst
>> > > Date: September 30, 1997 11:35 AM
>> > >
>> > > Rostyk Lewyckyj wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > In article <[email protected]>,
>> > wrote:
>> > > > |
>> > > > |PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>> > > > |> On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in
>> > which
>> > > > |> service was completely voluntary. It was called Ordnungdienst.
>> > Their
>> > > > |> emblem was a light alloy Star of David. The social background of
>> > these
>> > > > |> Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18%
>> > with
>> > > > |> post-graduate degrees, 60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>> > > > |> education. These are data from self-serving, post-war
>> > questionaries.
>> > > > |>
>> > > > |> But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>> > > > |> Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page
>> > 489
>> > > > |> of his book. In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>> > > > |> journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were
>> > fired
>> > > > |> from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>> > > > |> closed.
>> > > > |
>> > > > |The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>> > > > |longer or die now!
>> > > >
>> > > > Herman
>> > > > Will you allow the same explanation when it is used by a Ukrainian,
>> > Polack,
>> > > > Balt or other untermensh who was made to serve as a policeman or camp
>> > > > guard for the Nazis in the Reich? I believe that the USA, Canadian,
>> > and
>> > > > other countries immigration services are urged by the Jewish
>> > community
>> > > > not to accept this explanation and to persecute such individuals,
>> > unless
>> > > > they happen to be jews.
>> > > >
>> > > > |Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>> > > > |ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next “relocation”!
>> > > >
>> > > > |> While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>> > > > |> intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>> > > >
>> > > > |> Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>> > > > |> description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place
>> > in
>> > > > |> Lodz. German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly
>> > in
>> > > > |> Wisenthal Museum in LA. Thousands of Jews standing and watching
>> > behind
>> > > > |> three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols
>> > facing
>> > > > |> Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced
>> > into
>> > > > |> the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>> > > > |>
>> > > > What if anything does the commentary accompanying this film, (surely
>> > > > there is a commentary?), say about these policemen? Does it label
>> > them
>> > > > with any nationality?
>> > > >
>> > > > –Rostyk
>> > > ===============
>> > > to get the sound track one would have to purchase copy of the film.
>> > > Research costs $$$. Would you donate $50.00 to this purchase for
>> > > starters.
>> > >
>> > > There is little doubt that these were Jews hanging Jews. I can make out
>> > > stars of David on their armbands
>> > > ———-
>> > > J

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On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:06:28 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:15:24 +1000, observor
>wrote:

>>Hitler’s Jewish Army

>>”Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim.” –Elie Wiesel
>>speaking of World War Two.

>>”If there were Jews in (Hitler’s) armed forces…who served knowing what
>>was going on and made no attempt to save (lives),
>>well then that is unacceptable and dishonorable.” –Rabbi Marvin Hier,
>>director of the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.

>>Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called
>>’full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf
>>Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

>>Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
>>ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler’s soldiers, including
>>two field marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight
>>lieutenant generals, five major generals), “men commanding up to
>>100,000 troops.”

>>In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded
>>Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s
>>Cross.

>>One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
>>northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain
>>and practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.

>>One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
>>Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch’s Jewish
>>identity circulated widely in Germany in the 1930s.

>>In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch’s
>>birth record and when met with protests about having a
>>Jew in the Nazi high command, Goering replied, “I decide who is a Jew
>>and who is an Aryan.”

>>Rigg’s research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
>>German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time,
>>who was in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.

>>Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
>>Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted
>>by a German officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj.
>>Ernst Bloch, whose father was a Jew.

>>Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police
>>(Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards
>>(kapos).

>>So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews,
>>when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle
>>against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

>>Sources:

>>William D. Montalbano, “The Jews in Hitler’s Military,” Los Angeles
>>Times, Dec. 24, 1996.

>>Tom Tugend, “Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,”
>>Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.

>>Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.

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On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:48:22 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>JEWISH JOKES
>
>How was copper wiring invented?
>Two Jews fighting over a penny!
>
>
>How is Christmas celebrated in a Jewish home?
>They put parking meters on the roof!
>
>
>Why is money green?
>Because Jews pick it before it’s ripe!
>
>
>What candy did Hitler hate more then any other?
>Jew Jew Beans… Although I heard he enjoyed them “roasted!”
>
>
>If Tarzan and Jane were Jewish, what would Cheetah be?
>A fur coat!
>
>
>Why don’t Jews eat pork?
>They may be a lot of things, but CANNIBALS they’re not!
>
>
>Why aren’t Jews attacked by sharks?
>Professional courtesy!
>
>
>Do you know how to keep Jews out of a country club?
>Let one in, and he’ll keep the rest out.
>
>
>What’s the Jewish version of foreplay?
>Half an hour of begging.
>
>
>How can you tell the mother-in-law at a Jewish wedding?
>She’s the one on her hands and knees picking up the rice!
>
>
>Did you hear about the new tires, Firestein?
>They not only stop on a dime, they also pick it up!
>
>
>What’s the difference between a circumcision and crucifixion?
>In a crucifixion, they throw the whole Jew out!
>
>
>Why did the Jews wander in the desert for 40 years?
>Someone dropped a quarter!
>
>
>Why do Jews have such big noses?
>Because air is free.
>
>
>What did the Jewish mother ask her daughter when she learned she had
>an
>affair?
>Who catered it?
>
>
>What happens when a Jew with an erection walks into a wall?
>He breaks his nose.
>
>
>What’s a Jewish dilemma?
>Free ham.
>
>
>What’s the difference between a Jewish bitch and a barracuda?
>Nail polish.
>
>
>What’s the difference between an elephant and a Jew?
>An elephant eventually forgets.
>
>
>A nigger was walking down the street, kicking some rubbish out of his
>way,
>when he spotted something amid the trash that gleamed
>strangely. It urned out to be an oddly shaped bottle, and when he
>rubbed it, a
>Jewish genie appeared. “I’ll give you two wishes,” quipped
>the genie. “Far out,” said the black man. “First, I want to be white,
>uptight,
>and out of sight!” Second, I want to be surrounded by warm,
>sweet pussy. So the genie turned him into a TAMPON! The moral of this
>story:
>You can’t get anything from a Jew without strings
>attached!
>
>
>How do you stop a Jewish girl from fucking you?
>Marry her!
>
>
>Why do jewish bitches only sleep with circumcised men?
>They want 20% off everything!
>
>
>What’s the difference between between karate and judo?
>Karate is a form of self-defense, and judo is what bagels are made of.
>
>
>Did you hear that the limbo was invented by the Jews?
>Yeah, from sneaking into pay toilets.
>
>
>What’s the definition of a queer Jew?
>Someone that likes girls more then money.
>
>
>What do you call ten Jewish bitches in a basement?
>A WHINE cellar.
>
>
>Why did the Jewish mother have herself entombed at Bloomingdales?
>So her daughter would visit at least twice a week.
>
>
>What’s the difference between a vulture and a Jew?
>A vulture waits until you’re dead to eat your heart out!
>
>—–== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion
>==—–
>http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based
>newsreading
>
>
>
>On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:06:02 -0700, “WaRR”
>wrote:
>
>>what do you get when you cross a jewish women and an arab women??
>>oil of no lay!!
>>
>>=what is the difference between karate and judo?
>>karate is the art of self-defense, and judo is what bagels aremade of.
>>
>>=i knew a jewish woman once who thought the apostle’s creed was
>>what fought rocky balboa.
>>
>>=what’s the difference between a jewish british princess and a toilet?
>>a toilet doesn’t follow you around for 9 months after you use it.
>>
>>=did you hear that al italia and el al were merging to form a new airline?
>>it’s called well i’ll tell ya.=what do you call a jewish woman’s waterbed?
>>the dead sea. second prize: lake placid.
>>
>>=how was copper wire invented?
>> by 2 jews fighting over a penny.
>>
>>=why are jewish men circumcised?
>> because jewish women won’t buy anything unless it’s 20% off.
>>
>>=what do you call an uncircumcised jewish baby?
>>a girl.
>>
>>=what do you get when you cross a jewish british princess & a computer?
>>a computer that never goes down on you.
>>=what’s a jewish british princess’ favorite wine?
>> i wanna go to palmsprings.
>>=how do you know a jewish british princess has an orgasm?
>>she drops her nail file.
>>
>>=what do you have when you get 3 jewish british princesses together
>>with 3 other women who have yeast infections?a whine and cheese party.
>>=how many jewish british princesses does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
>>two, one to get a diet coke and one to call daddy.
>>
>>=why do jewish girls like prostitution?
>>because they can sell it again and again and again.
>>
>>=what’s the difference between a jewish british princess and jello?
>>jello moves when you eat it.
>>
>>=how does a jewish british princess do it doggie style?
>>she makes him beg for an hour.
>>
>>=what’s the difference between a jewish british princess and a catholic
>>british princess?
>>the catholic british princess has fake jewelry and real orgasms.
>>
>>=what’s the difference between jews and canoes?
>>canoes tip. ( THIS ONE FREAKS ME OUT :)))))
>>
>>=what’s the difference between jews and pizzas?
>>pizzas don’t scream when you put them in the oven.
>>
>>=what is a jewish dilemma?
>>free ham.
>>=what do you call a jewish piano?
>>a cash register.
>>=how many jews does it take to change a light bulb?
>>none. they are used to sitting in the dark.
>>=did you hear about the rabbi who did free circumcisions?
>>he only took tips.
>>=how many jews can you fit in a vw?
>>two in the front, two in the back, and ten thousand in the ash tray.
>>
>>=a priest, a baptist minister, and a rabbi were asked how they would
>>divide up some gold coins between themselves and god. the priest
>>replied, “i’d draw a line down the middle of the room, throw the
>>coins in the air, and whatever landed on one side goes to god,
>>the other to me.” the minister replied, “i’d draw a circle in
>>the middle of the room, and whatever lands inside is for god,
>>outside for me.” the rabbi’s answer was, he wouldn’t draw any
>>line, just throw the money in the air and whatever god caughthe could keep.
>>
>>
>>=an italian, a jew, and a homosexual were walking down the street and
>>were hit by the same bolt of lightning. next thing they know they’re
>>in front of st. peter begging for a second chance. “ok,” he says,
>>”but on one condition: you must give up that which you love the most.
>>if you don’t, you go straight to hell.” after agreeing, they find
>>themselves back on the street and they start walking again. a few
>>blocks down they pass a pizza store. “i can’t help myself!” says the
>>italian… he goes in, takes a bite of pizza, and poof!, he
>>disappears. so the jew and the homosexual continue walking
>>down the street. the jew sees a penny on the sidewalk. “i can’t
>>help myself!” he says. he reaches for the penny and poof! the
>>homosexual disappears.
>>
>>
>>yours truly
>>
>>WaRR
>>

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On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:44:20 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>Another significant article that merits discussion!!!
>
>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:15:13 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
> wrote:
>
>>dddddddddd
>>below, Hermie’s cyberthrash
>>————-
>>md
>>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>> PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>
>>> More Pawlikowski apologies for Nazi behavior!
>>> > ============
>>> > Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>>> > Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>>> > the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>>> > occupation of Poland. The only reason for this question at this time
>>> > seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered. Provacatively, Dr.
>>> > Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>>> > draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>>> > after the war? Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>>> > why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>>> >
>>> > Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres.
>>> > Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>>> > hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>>> > grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk). He admitted
>>> > that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem. However,
>>> > young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>>> > afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>>> > find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>>> > presently in Lithuania.
>>> >
>>> > But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>>> > occupation was dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>>> > were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei.
>>> > They were ususally not armed,
>>>
>>> Pawlikowski will have you believe that the German occupation police in
>>> Minsk were unarmed!!!!!!
>>>
>>> > and when armed never given more than five
>>> > bullets for their long rifles. Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>>> > (as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>>> > each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>>> > the genocide.
>>>
>>> Hardly truth to Pawlikowski’s story too.
>>>
>>> > On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>>> > service was completely voluntary. It was called Ordnungdienst. Their
>>> > emblem was a light alloy Star of David. The social background of these
>>> > Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>>> > post-graduate degrees, 60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>>> > education. These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>>> >
>>> > But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>>> > Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>>> > of his book. In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>>> > journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>>> > from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>>> > closed.
>>>
>>> The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>>> longer or die now!
>>>
>>> Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>>> ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next “relocation”!
>>> > While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>>> > intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>>> >
>>> > Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>>> > description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>>> > Lodz. German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>>> > Wisenthal Museum in LA. Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>>> > three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>>> > Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>>> > the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>>> >
>>> > ————-
>>> > Jozef Pawlikowski
>>> >
>>> > We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>>> > graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki. We found
>>> > ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>>> > dozens of other places. Why you shrink from searching for your
>>> > ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>>> >
>>> Does there any normal healthy human being want to see the corpses of
>>> your loved ones excavated? Maybe Pawlikowski would enjoy watching the
>>> bones of his or her mother exhumed to count the bones as they demand of
>>> other people.
>>>
>>> Herman
>>> > ————

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On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 14:52:04 -0600, [email protected]
(Vladimir Svetlov) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Simcha Streltsov) wrote:
>
>
>> in my experience, there always was anti-Russian sentiment in almost all
>> Lithuanian circles – some folks asociated [Russian-speaking] Jews with
>> Russians and did not like us
>
>I sorta knew it would come to that – anti-semitism as misplaced
>russophobia… Of course, if not for well deserved anti-Russian sentiment
>and some astigmatic Lithuaninas, there would be no anti-semitism among the
>Balts. So, in order to avert any future confusion like this one here it
>comes again, back by popular demand
>
>THE COMPLETE IDIOT’S GUIDE TO LOWER RACES, trans. from Aryan
>
> RUSSIANS – relatively large human-like mammals, pale in hue, may even
>reach the size of a real Lithianian. No discernable forehead, squinted
>Tartar eyes and big clumsy hands add to the above portrait of the average
>Russian. Prefers keeping in hordes, which are regularly being pushed out of
>Siberian taiga by something even more disgusting than Russians themselves
>(probably the savage dog-headed wood elves), outward in the direction of
>Europe. Thus every Lithuanian has to learn how to identify these animals in
>the wild and to know how to deal with migrating Russians en route.
>It was said that they can be as large as humans, but never quite so tall as
>their backs are always bent due to their inherent affection to slavery.
>Feed them on your own risk – as long as you feed the Russians they’ll stay
>around and will disturb the peace and beauty of any imaginable local
>(except in Hell!). When fed, Russians fall asleep immediately, unless
>additionally intoxicated by alcohol – in the latter case they become
>restless and start shouting their songs that make the fog horn sound
>musical. Don’t try to help Russians out of your area by giving them
>directions – they have no understanding of geography and only get confused
>by words like “right” and “left”. In some areas giving Russians the wrong
>directions has become a local tradition and a source of endless (albeit
>somewhat rustic) amusement. As you’ve guessed, Russians can sometimes mimic
>the human speech, but have no real understanding of it. Their own
>communication system is no more pleasant to a refined listener than the
>sound of a chainsaw cutting through a live pig. Pay no attention to it, it
>is not meant to deliver any more information than the interior of the milk
>carton.
>It’s easy to handle Russians if you remember that the brute force and
>natural command quality of the superior human race are the only things that
>Russians take a notice of. A five year old child of a Lithuanian mother has
>enough power in him to send a dozen of Russians packing. Raise the voice
>and they run scared, back to the protective shadow of the woods. Edibility
>- edible with Russian Dressing from Kraft Foods.
>
> JEWS – smaller than Russians (next to a Lithuanian a Jew appears like
>nothing but a dwarf) and more dark-skinned. Bid deceiving eyes, huge nose
>pointing downward, long worm-like fingers trembling with greed will shout
>”A JEW!” right at you. Unlike Russians, Jew don’t form hordes; instead they
>live in families where old Jews teach the young one the secrets of lying
>and cheating. Jews are much smarter than Russians (oh, like that’s a big
>achievement) and much harder to get rid off. No one knows where they came
>from or where they will go, when they go away. A Jew would not be a match
>for a fair Lithuanian lad in any sport, but they often get ahead whereever
>their cheating, lying and stealing goes unnoticed. Even Russians don’t like
>the Jews, not through systematic analysis and weighted judgement, like
>Lithuanians, but through some native, druid-like gut feeling of the wild
>wood dwellers. Jews never have pets of their own – unlike Russians, who
>drag around their udly bastards of dogs and cats everywhere they set their
>own dirty feet, Jews detest sharing their quarters with any living being
>other than themselves. Or maybe it’s the living that are keeping away from
>these creepy bloodsuckers. Edibility – don’t bother.
>
>The full text of this very useful and good-humored manual will be available
>in the fall from Mein Kampf Publishing House in Vilnus. It will also cover
>such important subjects as “33 ways to get rid of the Gypsies and their
>eggs”, “Midgets – small people or big bugs?”, “There is a Russian on my
>bus!”, “Odor management for a Jew-slayer”, “I did not know Russians ate my
>newspapers untill I called my psychic”, “What you do not know about the
>Jews may make your daughter marry one of them” and many more.
>
>For entertainment purpose only.

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On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:35:54 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>>On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:15:39 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>http://www.villagevoice.com/ink/news/21friedman.shtml
>
>>>The Village Voice
>>>22May98
>
>If the following story is true, why has INTERPOL not done anything??
>Just because the criminals are JEWS??
>
>
>>The Most Dangerous Mobster in the World
>
>>According to the FBI and Israeli Intelligence, Semion Mogilevich Rules
>>Over an Arms-Trafficking, Money-Laundering, Drug-Running, and
>>Art-Smuggling ‘Red Mafia’
>
>>by Robert I. Friedman
>
>
>>In two posh villas outside the small town of Ricany, near Prague, one
>>of the most dreaded mob families in the world savagely murders its
>>terrified victims. The mob’s young enforcers, trained by veterans of
>>the Afghanistan war, are infamous for their extreme brutality. Their
>>quarry, usually businessmen who have balked at extortion demands, are
>>repeatedly stabbed and tortured, then mutilated before they are
>>butchered. The carnage is so hideous that it has scared the daylights
>>out of competing crime groups in the area.
>
>>The torture chambers are run by what international police officials call
>>the Red Mafia, a notorious Russian mob family that in onlysix years has
>>become a nefarious global crime cartel. Based in Budapest, it haskey
>>centers in New York, Pennsylvania, Southern California, and as far away
>>as New Zealand.
>>
>>The enigmatic leader of the Red Mafia is a 52-year-old Ukrainian-born
>>JEW named Semion Mogilevich. He is a shadowy figure known as the
>>”Brainy Don”–he holds an economics degree from the University of
>>Lvov–and until now, he has never been exposed by the media. But the
>>Voice has obtained hundreds of pages of classified FBI and Israeli
>>intelligence documents from August 1996, and these documents–as well
>>as recent interviews with a key criminal associate and with dozens of
>>law enforcement sources here and abroad–describe him as someone who
>>has become a grave threat to the stability of Israel and Eastern Europe.
>
>>”He’s the most powerful mobster in the world,” crows Monya Elson, who
>>is listed in classified documents as one of Mogilevich’s closest
>>associates and partners in prostitution and money laundering rings. The
>>Brighton Beach-based Elson, who once led a pack of thugs and killers
>>known as Monya’s Brigada, is currently in the Metropolitan Correctional
>>Center in lower Manhattan awaiting trial for three murders and numerous
>>extortions.
>
>>In July 1993, after Elson was grievously wounded by rival mobsters in a
>>bloody shoot-out outside his Brooklyn apartment building, Mogilevich
>>spirited him out of the country. Mogilevich then set up his Russian
>>Jewish refugee friend in an alleged massive money-laundering scheme in
>>Fano, Italy, where he was eventually arrested and extradited back to
>>America. Elson, an integral part of the Red Mafia, had been one of the
>>most feared mobsters in Brighton Beach, ground zero for Russian
>>organized crime in America, which has exploded here following
>>perestroika.
>>
>>”If I tell on Mogilevich, Interpol will give me $20 million,” boasted
>>Elson. ”I lived with him. I’m his partner, don’t forget. We are very,
>>very close friends. I don’t mean close, I mean very, very close. He’s my
>>best friend.” Nevertheless, after extensive interviews over the course
>>of the last six months, Elson ultimately confirmed some of the details
>>about Mogilevich contained in the classified FBI and Israeli documents.
>>
>>Allegations of Mogilevich’s devilish array of criminal activities are
>>extensively detailed in the reports:The FBI and Israeli intelligence
>>assert that he traffics in nuclear materials, drugs, prostitutes,
>>precious gems, and stolen art. His contract hit squads operate in the
>>U.S. and Europe. He controls everything that goes in and out of Moscow’s
>>Sheremetyevo International Airport, a ”smugglers’ paradise,” says
>>Elson. Mogilevich bought a bankrupt airline in a former Central Asian
>>Soviet republic for millions of dollars in cash so he could haul heroin
>>out of the Golden Triangle. Most worrisome to U.S. authorities is
>>Mogilevich’s apparently legal purchase of virtually the entire Hungarian
>>armaments industry, jeopardizing regional security, NATO, and the war
>>against terrorism.
>>
>>In one typical criminal deal, Mogilevich and two Moscow-based gangsters
>>sold $20 million worth of pilfered Warsaw Pact weapons from East
>>Germany, including ground-to-air missiles and 12 armored troop
>>carriers, according to the classified Israeli and FBI documents. The
>>buyer was Iran, says a top-level U.S. Customs official who requested
>>anonymity.
>>
>>In another deal, an FBI informant told the bureau that one of
>>Mogilevich’s chief lieutenants in Los Angeles met two Russians from New
>>York City with Genovese crime family ties to broker a scheme to dump
>>American toxic waste in Russia. Mogilevich’s man from L.A. said the Red
>>Mafia would dispose of the toxic waste in the Chernobyl region,
>>”probably through payoffs to the decontamination authorities there,”
>>says a classified FBI report.
>>
>>Mogilevich is particularly intrigued by art fraud. In early 1993, he
>>reached an agreement with the leaders of the powerful Solntsevskaya
>>crime family in Moscow to invest huge sums of money in a joint venture:
>>acquiring a jewelry business in Moscow and Budapest. The business,
>>according to classified FBI documents, was to serve as a front for the
>>acquisition of jewelry, antiques, and art, which the Solntsevskaya mob
>>had stolen from churches and museums in Russia, including the Hermitage
>>in St. Petersburg. The gangsters also robbed the homes of art
>>collectors and even broke into synagogues in Germany and Eastern Europe
>>to steal rare religious books and Torahs.
>>
>>Mogilevich’s operation, again in collusion with the Solntsevskaya mob,
>>also purchased a large jewelry factory in Budapest. Russian antiques,
>>such as Faberge eggs, are sent to Budapest for ”restoration.”
>>Mogilevich’s men ship the genuine Faberge eggs to an unwitting
>>Sotheby’s auction house in London for sale, then send fake Faberge eggs
>>as well as other ”restored” objects back to Moscow.
>>
>>MOGILEVICH’S EARLY years are murky. Soviet authorities first learned of
>>his criminal activities in the 1970s, when he was a member of the
>>Liubertskaya crime group that operated in the Moscow suburb of the same
>>name. He was involved in petty thefts and counterfeiting.
>>
>>But Mogilevich made his first millions fleecing fellow Jews. In the mid
>>1980s, when tens of thousands of Jewish refugees were hurriedly
>>immigrating to Israel and America, Mogilevich made deals to buy their
>>assets–rubles, furniture, and art–cheaply, promising to exchange the
>>goods for fair market value and send refugees the proceeds in ”hard”
>>currency. Instead, he sold their valuables and pocketed the considerable
>>profits.
>>
>>In the 1980s, he established a petroleum import-export company, Arbat
>>International, and registered it in Alderney, one of the Channel
>>Islands, which is known to be a tax haven. One of his partners–with a
>>quarter share of the company–was Vyacheslav Ivankov, the legendary
>>Russian criminal who in March 1992 became Godfather of the Russian mob
>>in America. Ivankov was convicted in 1996 of extorting two Russian-born
>>Wall Street stockbrokers. He now resides in Raybrook, a Federal prison
>>in upstate New York.
>>
>>In early 1990, Mogilevich fled Moscow, as did many other dons, to avoid
>>the gangland wars that were then roiling the capital. Mogilevich and his
>>top henchmen settled in Israel, where they received Israeli
>>citizenship. He ”succeeded in building a bridgehead in Israel” and
>>”developing significant and influential [political] ties,” says an
>>Israeli intelligence report.
>>
>>Mogilevich is married to a Hungarian national, Katalin Papp. That
>>marriage allowed him to legally emigrate to Budapest, Hungary, in 1991,
>>where he began to build the foundations of his global criminal empire.
>>He bought a string of nightclubs in Prague, Riga, and Kiev–called the
>>”Black and White Clubs”–that has become one of the world’s foremost
>>centers of prostitution. Monya Elson is a partner in the clubs,
>>according to his own admission and classified FBI documents. The Black
>>and White Club in Budapest became the hub of Mogilevich’s operations. He
>>quickly built a highly structured criminal organization, in the mode of
>>a traditional American mafia family. Indeed, many of the organization’s
>>250 members are his relatives.
>>
>>To the consternation of international law enforcement officials,
>>Mogilevich began to legally purchase much of Hungary’s arms industry.
>>The legitimate companies he bought include:
>>
>>-Magnex 2000: a giant magnet manufacturer.
>>
>>-Digep General Machine Works: an artillery shell, mortar, and fire
>>equipment manufacturer, which was financed by a $3.8 million loan from
>>the London branch of Banque Francaise De L’orean.
>>
>>-Army Co-op: a mortar and anti-aircraft gun factory. Army Co-op was
>>established in 1991 by two Hungarian nationals, both in the local arms
>>industry, who were looking for a partner. Mogilevich has bought 95 per
>>cent of Army Co-op through another Channel Island holding company,
>>Arigon, Ltd., and also deals extensively with the Ukraine, selling oil
>>products to the Ukrainian railway administration.
>>
>>These transactions enabled the Mogilevich organization to become a
>>direct owner of the Hungarian armaments industry. In 1994, he purchased
>>a license enabling him to buy and sell weapons. Now a legitimate
>>armaments manufacturer, one of his companies participated in at least
>>one arms exhibition in the U.S., where it displayed mortars modified by
>>Israel.
>>
>>Like mob bosses everywhere, Mogilevich couldn’t sustain his empire
>>without the help of corrupt police and politicians. There is one
>>documented example of a criminal associate of Mogilevich mingling with
>>American politicians. In March 1994, Vahtang Ubiriya, one of
>>Mogilevich’s top lieutenants, was photographed by the FBI at a tony
>>Republican Party fundraiser in Dallas, says an FBI report. Ubiriya, a
>>high-ranking official in the Ukrainian railway administration, has a
>>prior conviction for bribery in the Ukraine.
>>
>>In Europe and Russia, the ”corruption of police and public officials
>>has been part of the Semion Mogilevich Organization’s modus operandi,”
>>says a classified FBI document. ”The corruptive influence of the
>>Mogilevich organization apparently extends to the Russian security
>>system. During 1995, two colonels from Department of the Russian
>>Presidential Security Service . . . traveled to Hungary under commercia
>>cover to meet with Mogilevich . . . seeking information for use in the
>>Russian political campaign.” An Israeli associate of Mogilevich met
>>with the two colonels and provided intelligence. Mogilevich also paid
>>off a Russian judge to secure Vyacheslav Ivankov’s early release from a
>>Siberian prison, where he was doing hard time for robbery and torture,
>>according to U.S. court records and classified FBI documents.
>>
>>On April 28, the German national television network ZDF reported that
>>the BND (the German intelligence agency) had entered into a secret
>>contract with Mogilevich to provide information on the Russian mob.
>>The charges were made by several sources, including Pierre Delilez, a
>>highly regarded Belgium police investigator who specializes in Russian
>>Organized Crime. Because of this deal with the BND, police in Belgium,
>>Germany, and Austria have complained that it is now impossible to
>>investigate the ”Brainy Don.” If the television report is accurate,
>>one possible motive for BND’s deal, says a U.S. law enforcement expert
>>on the Russian mob, is that the Germans recently ”pulled their people
>>out of Moscow because they didn’t like the level of cooperation they
>>were getting from the Russian authorities on the Russian mob.”
>>Gangsters, said this source, often talk to intelligence agencies about
>>their rivals.
>>
>>MOGILEVICH’S MAIN activity in the U.S. appears to be money laundering,
>>says a classified FBI report. He has set up companies in Los
>>Angeles–FNJ Trade Management–and Newton, Pennsylvania–YBM Magnex
>>International–as well as dozens of shell companies, which have
>>received more than $30 million from Arigon, Ltd., the center of
>>Mogilevich’s financial operations.
>>
>>Last Friday, U.S. Attorney Robert Courtney, head of the organized-crime
>>strike force, led a a joint FBI, IRS, INS, and Customs raid of YBM’s
>>offices in Newton. Cartons of documents were seized, with Canadian and
>>U.S. police citing the company’s alleged ties to Russian organized
>>crime. YBM is publicly traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange, and two
>>days before Friday’s raid, trading in its stock was suspended by
>>Canadian authorities.
>>
>>The president and CEO of YBM is Jacob Bogatin, a professor of physical
>>metallurgy. In May 1996, he contacted the FBI in Philadelphia to find
>>out why the INS had denied visas to YBM employees arriving from Hungary
>>and the Ukraine. When he was rebuffed, he had intermediaries step
>>forward and pester the FBI. The State Department has banned Mogilevich
>>himself from obtaining a U.S. visa because he’s on the department’s
>>watch list of international organized-crime figures. Nevertheless, he
>>has surreptitiously entered America under aliases and on visitor visas
>>issued in Tel Aviv to visit Elson and Ivankov.
>>
>>Bogatin admitted during a telephone interview that Mogilevich owns his
>>company. When asked if he knew that numerous law enforcement agencies
>>here and abroad considered Mogilevich to be a leader of one of the most
>>ruthless organized-crime families in recent times, Bogatin replied,
>>”We have an investors relations guy. You want to talk with him about
>>this stuff.” He added that he had read allegations in the Eastern
>>European press that his boss was a Mafia don, but didn’t believe them.
>>YBM vehemently denies that it is connected to Russian organized crime or
>>has engaged in any criminal activities.
>>
>>Bogatin is no stranger to the mob, however. His brother, David, a top
>>Russian crime figure who once served in North Vietnam for the Soviets in
>>an anti-aircraft unit, is now serving an eight-year term in a New York
>>State prison for a multimillion-dollar gasoline tax fraud scheme. Just
>>prior to trial, he had jumped bail, fleeing to Poland. There he set up
>>the first commercial banks, which moved vast sums of money controlled
>>by Russian wiseguys. (This after handing over his mortgages for five
>>pricey Trump Tower apartments to a Genovese associate. The mortgages
>>were liquidated and the funds were moved through a mafia-controlled
>>bank in Chelsea.) Eventually he was caught and returned to the U.S. In
>>the meantime, he lived like royalty in a five-star Viennese hotel,
>>surrounded by a praetorian guard of 125 Polish parachutists, some of
>>them bedecked in shiny gold uniforms.
>>
>>Mogilevich has not refrained from associating with known killers in
>>America, prime among them Elson and Ivankov. A confidential informant
>>told the FBI that Vladimir Berkovich, an L.A. resident, is a chief
>>lieutenant in Mogilevich’s organization and has arranged contract
>>killings here, supplying the weapons and spiriting the killers out of
>>the country. The visas, says the report, were obtained through the Palm
>>Terrace restaurant, a watering hole for Russian gangsters, which
>>Berkovich owns. Berkovich told the Voice that he is aware of the
>>government’s charges, and that they are ”total bullshit.” Although he
>>has no criminal record in the U.S., Berkovich’s son, Oleg, was convicted
>>in Los Angeles of solicitation to commit murder on October 11, 1989. He
>>was sentenced to four years. Oleg’s business card identified his
>>employer as Magnex, Ltd., a company owned by Mogilevich in Budapest.
>>Oleg was recently arrested in Hungary on unspecified charges but was
>>released.
>>
>>Oleg’s uncle, the colorful Lazar Berkovich, whose last known address was
>>New York City, arrived in the Big Apple after having survived a
>>shootout with Italian gangsters, says his brother Vladimir. The FBI
>>report claims that Lazar was head of Russian criminal activities in
>>Italy prior to his coming to America to recuperate from his wounds,
>>though Vladimir Bercovich denies that Lazar was ever connected to the
>>Russian mob.
>>
>>Israeli and U.S. law enforcement sources agree that the Red Mafia,
>>though in existence for a mere six years, has become one of the most
>>formidable Russian organized-crime families in the world. Strongest in
>>the Ukraine, Hungary, the Czech Republic, and the U.S., Mogilevich has
>>increased his strength by forging ties with other powerful Russian mob
>>groups as well as with the Italian Camorra. His reported ties to the
>>German BND and ex-police officers in Hungary keep him informed of police
>>efforts to penetrate his organization. ”He also ingratiates himself
>>with the police by providing information on other [Russian crime]
>>groups’ activities, thus appearing to be a cooperative good citizen,”
>>says a classfied FBI report. This, along with his strong leadership
>>qualities, his acute financial skills, his talented and highly educated
>>associates, and his use of cutting-edge technology, has so far made
>>the ”Brainy Don” impervious to prosecution.
>>
>>This document last modified Friday, May 22, 1998, 10:31 AM EDT.

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On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:49:13 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>
>For those concerned about the mass murders of the Soviet JEWS and the
>KGB, attached is an article for consideration
>
>
>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism – Don’t Deny It
>From: [email protected] (Roger Hughes)
>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation
>
>
>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
>
>One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called “Russian
>Revolution” of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>them, continue to condemn anyone as “anti-Semitic” who brings up these
>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>and lead revolutionary movement.
>
>First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism,Karl Marx,
>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father’s side.
>Whether he was a “religous” Jew is of no significant importance, since
>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
>
>While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will
>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let’s see the them deny the
>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables
>that passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington
>D.C. during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The
>following quotes are taken directly from documents available from the
>U.S. Archives:
>
>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>general in Moscow, Summers: “Jews prominant in local Soviet
>government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population….”
>
>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
>July 5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: “Fifty percent of Soviet
>government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type.”
>
>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>Montgomey Shuyler: “It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it’s
>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
>type.”
>
>
>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
>reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: “…(T)here
>were 384 `commissars’ including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen,
>22 Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had
>come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the
>Imperial Government.”
>
>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>Bolshevik party’s executive secretary and – as chairman of the Central
>Executive Committee – head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn),
>foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev
>(Rosenfeld) and Moisei Uritsky.
>
>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: “The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care
>little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and
>they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”
>
>The Netherlands’ ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>”Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things.”
>
>
>In case anyone thinks I’ve taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>here’s three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik
>Propaganda Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the
>Judiciary, United States Senate, 65th Congress:
>
>”We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east
>side of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the
>American Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much
>pleased that there was somebody who could speak English, and their
>broken English showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A
>number of these men called on me and were impressed with the strange
>Yiddish element in this thing right from the beginning, and it soon
>became evident that more than half the agitators in the socalled
>Bolshevik movement were Jews…I have a firm conviction that this
>thing is Yiddish, and that one of its bases is found in the east side
>of New York…The latest startling information, given me by someone
>with good authority, startling information, is this, that in December,
>1918, in the northern community of Petrograd that is what they call
>the section of the Soviet regime under the Presidency of the man known
>as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff) out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be
>real Russians, with the exception of one man, a Negro from America who
>calls himself Professor Gordon.
>
>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing
>on the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and
>I often remarked to my sister, ‘Well, what are we coming to anyway.
>This all looks so Yiddish.’ Up to that time we had see very few Jews,
>because there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in
>Petrograd, but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of
>the agitators were Jews.
>
>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now
>that was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real
>Russians did not take kindly to it.”
>
>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>”anti-Semitic” and therefore unreliable, but they’d be wrong. Here’s a
>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>
>”The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>physical forces, become a reality all over the world.” (The American
>Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
>
>”There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>many of the highest ideals of Judaism.” (Jewish Chronicle, London
>April, 4, 1919)
>
>”Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism.” (The American Bulletin,
>Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>
>”In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>the total population.” (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
>
>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>so-called “anti-Semitism” a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>himself:
>
>”National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
>customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as
>an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>cannibalism…under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
>death penalty.” (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>
>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>virtually untouched.
>
>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920’s in one of the most vile
>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, “Jews made up nearly 80
>percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,” reports W. Bruce Lincoln,
>an American professor of Russian history. . . ”
>
>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons
>were murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of
>them directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of
>Jewish Communist bosses.
>
>Regards,
>Roger Hughes
>
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On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 03:07:40 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:06:52 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:
>
>>
>>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>>> titled “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.”
>>
>>>> —————————————————————————
>>>>
>>>> North Shore News
>>>> February 2, 1997
>>>>
>>>> Insights from abroad
>>>> Doug Collins
>>>>
>>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>>
>>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>>> served in Hiler’s forces as high ranking officers.
>>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>>> wonder why?
>>
>> Actually Riggs ‘study’ was reported in the L.A.Times and in some
>>Texas newspapers were he is from. To set and maintain the record, here
>>is a report on the L.A.Times version posted to alt.revisionism at the
>>time. The reason it found it’s way into so many papers is because the
>>subject is supposed to portray the Jews as awesome military heroes.
>>Rigg’s study is more the result of fantasy than academic research. It
>>was said he might write a book or something, but then don’t count on
>>it. It ain’t happened yet. It would expose his stuff to verification
>>and he (they) are relying on people holding the notions just from what
>>was in the newspapers.
>>
>> Intitially posted under “Super Jews in Hitler’s Army”.
>>
>> “The Jews in Hitler’s Military”
>>
>> L.A.Times, Dec. 24, 1996
>>
>>”A young American is
>>documenting the stories
>>of Hundreds of German
>>veterans of Jewish descent.
>>Many lost family to the
>>Holocaust while serving the
>>Nazi regime.”
>>
>>LONDON–“Sustained by scholarship, peanut butter and a sense of
>>mission, American Bryan Rigg is exploring an eerie and uncharted no
>>man’s land of Holocaust history.
>> Rigg interviews former German soldiers of Jewish descent … who
>>served …during the Holocaust, when the Nazis slaughtered 6 million
>>Jews.
>> ‘Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the
>>Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the military but at the same time
>>exterminated their families.’
>> On a heady journey of personal and professional discovery, the 25
>>year old Texan … interviewed more than 300 of these veterans …
>>Passed along from one old soldier to another, he has crisscrossed
>>Germany 4 times …
>> Rigg said he has documented the Jewish ancestry of more than 1200
>>of Hilter’s soldiers including two field marshalls and 10 generals,
>>men commanding up to 100,000, …”
>>
>>[ That and the next line is the beginning of the real motive for the
>>story and why it would find it’s way into the L.A.Times, the Judeo
>>supremacy publication. ]
>>
>>”In about 20 cases, soldiers of Jewish heritage were awarded the
>>Knight’s Cross, Germany’s highest honor, he said.”
>>
>> “This fall, Rigg, Yale ’96, arrived at England Cambridge
>>University … lugging his clothes … documentation … Jonathan
>>Steinberg, Cambridge historian, read Rigg’s files and hurried to find
>>a safe place for them.
>>
>>[[ Here we have a Jewish holding to the papers as dear. This would
>>indicate he thought they had something beneficial. ]]
>>
>> Along the way, Rigg, who is of German extraction and was raised
>>as a Protestant, has discovered that he too has Jewish ancestry. Like
>>many of the families he has visited, Rigg had distant relatives who
>>were killed for being Jewish–and others who died fighting in battle
>>for Nazi Germany.”
>>
>>[ I would say if Rigg’s was confronted with a demand to stand
>>accountable to show his Jewish ancestry and to prove any events they
>>lived through it would result in some real embarrassment. Its all too
>>pat.
>>
>>One of the more obvious points of this article reveals the racial
>>aspect of Judaism. ]
>>
>>———————————————————————-
>> The article being more than a half page long I will just cite the
>>relevant parts that throw suspicion on the accounts, the racist
>>connection and the reason it found it’s way into the L.A.Times – to
>>hype Jewish supremacy.
>>———————————————————————-
>>
>>
>> “Many of the men Rigg meets cling to Nazi terminology, describing
>>themselves as half Jewish, half German.”
>>
>>[ Here we have the term “half Jewish” being designated “Nazi
>>terminology” when in fact it is a term used by Jews themselves and has
>>been referred to many times in medias and even movies. Not to mention
>>it is used to designate the racial status of any one else, ‘half
>>Black’, ‘half Irish’, etc.
>>
>>The article does not lead to any evidential conclusion that any of the
>>Germans are half Jewish. It seems more like they would be quarter or
>>even eighth Jewish. ]
>>
>> “One of his discoveries was a 1944 German document listing 77
>>high ranking officers ‘of mixed Jewish race or married to a Jew’. Two
>>generals, eight lieutenant generals, five major generals and 23
>>colonels.”
>>
>>[ It doesn’t say how many were of “Jewish race” or how many were those
>>who were connected by marriage so we are to assume all of them. ]
>>
>> “‘I don’t think it ever occurred to go to a general’s personal
>>file to see if he was Jewish’, said Steinberg”.
>>
>>[ Not bothering to consider the ones that were just married to a Jew.]
>>
>>
>> “… Hitler loathed Jews, but he also needed experienced
>>commanders and fighters”.
>>
>>[ So under the circumstances, there just wasn’t enough to draw from
>>the measly German genetic stock for “experienced” “commanders” and
>>”fighters”. ]
>>
>> “He (Rigg’s) said there were at least a dozen exception lists
>>approved by Hitler–naming ranking officials not only in the armed
>>forces but in the civilian administration that worked with military.
>>One German civilian of Jewish heritage …”
>>
>>[ “One ,,,” “German civilian” of “Jewish heritage”? ]
>>
>> ….
>>
>> “In interviews and research in Germany this month, Rigg found
>>still more Wehrmacht officers of Jewish descent …”
>>
>>[ More “officers” of Jewish “decent”. Another thing that is evident
>>in the article is glorifying Jewish descent as if it was the only
>>descent of value to speak of. We can take note that the ones found on
>>the list are “officers”. ]
>>
>> ….
>>
>> “One Knight’s Cross winner was reunited with his Jewish father in
>>England …”
>>
>>[ This is the first of three or four times the article mentions
>>”Jewish father”. No where does it mention a Jewish mother, which is a
>>necessary technicality in the Jewish race to be rated a Jew. In fact
>>the only name mentioned in the whole article as being high ranking is
>>Field Marshall Erhard Milch, who had a Jewish father”.]
>>
>> “Rigg also brought to light to folklore surrounding the
>>derring-do rescue … Rigg has identified him as bayonet scarred,
>>bemedaled, Maj. Ernst Bloch … whose father was Jewish.”
>>
>>[ The significance here of course is the “… derring-do … Jewish
>>father” connection.]
>>
>> ….
>>
>> “About 100,000 Jews served in the German army in World War I, and
>>about 12,000 of them were killed.”
>>
>> [ Now here would be very good place to start to look into Rigg’s
>>project. Here we have “100,000” Jews said to have served in the German
>>army during World War I whereas Holocaust accounts have it that only
>>300,000 Jews, all together, were in Germany prior to World War II.
>>Considering the age, sex aspect of any particular people, we would
>>have to recognize that if there were 100,000 German Jews fighting in
>>WWII there would be at least a million in all. It is so typical with
>>Holocaust/Jewish propaganda to have their facts and figures step all
>>over each other. Whatever, this is a real blunder. ]
>>
>> (The WWI) “…Veterans thought their service would protect them
>>against the Nazi crackdown … When the transports came … Some even
>>went to the gas chamber with their medals on.”
>>
>>[ Okay, we see again we have a heroic lot here with “medals”. How
>>Rigg’s came to find out how any of them went to the gas chambers, much
>>less with their medals on should be very interesting. Especially since
>>he says “some”. If he had said ‘one’ this is something we could accept
>>as being in the realm of a possibility, but with the “some”, well too
>>wayout. This is another one of those wacky yarns like all the rest of
>>the Holocaust eyewitness testimonies, which we must assume would be
>>the source for Rigg’s blurt.
>>
>>Since Holocaust accounts have the people were made to strip naked, we
>>can muse over how the heroic Jews came to still have their medals on.
>>
>>How did Riggs come to get involved with the project? ]]
>>
>> “Rigg’s quest began at Yale, when he started researching his
>>family history in Germany. First he learned that his
>>great-grandparents, who arrived as Protestants, had been born in
>>Germany as Jews.”
>>
>>[ Since then he has focused his identity on the two Jews from a
>>hundred years ago, and nothing in between seems to matter. Is it fact?
>>Who knows. ]
>>
>> “Then one night in 1992, he went to see ‘Europa, Europa’, a film
>>about a Jewish adolescent who hid out in the German army during World
>>War II. After the movie, Rigg’s struck a conversation with an elderly
>>German Jew… and he listened until morning”
>>
>>[ Now there we have a revealing particular of how he came to be
>>involved. The old man stayed up all night? ]
>>
>> So far it seems Rigg’s has not written a book on the subject or
>>released any details of his story, so the world will have to wait
>>before anyone can go over the routes of his research. And perhaps
>>there may never be any. There are just to many problems to cover up
>>with this latest bravado.
>>
>> On top of it all the Judeo/Holocaust propaganda is further
>>compromised when trying to fit all the talk about “Jewish”, “field
>>marshalls”, “generals” and medal winners in with something like Daniel
>>Goldhagen’s book, ‘Ordinary Germans, Hitler’s Willing Executioners”
>>which strives to show all the Germans, and especially high ranking
>>military people knew about and willingly contributed to the
>>exterminations of millions of Jews.
>>
>> It’s funny how Holocaust accounts stampede all over themselves
>>and all over each other.
>>
>> In another twist, this article and thus Rigg’s, seem to strive to
>>show and glorify Jews by claiming high position and heroic
>>accomplishment in the very German machine the Holocaust story works so
>>hard at portraying as evil.
>>
>> Well, when it comes to selling Jewish supremacy, anything goes.
>>
>> When looking at the picture of Rigg’s, I can see blind ambition,
>>the boy next door, and I think of that long talk he had into the wee
>>hours of the morning with the German Jew.
>>
>> If ever Rigg’s does publish a paper with documentation to support
>>his claims of the awesome heroics it will be subject to investigation.
>>And, if he never does publish a paper for public scrutiny we can
>>wonder about that. ]]

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On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:41:29 -0000, “ANAS JZAYRLI”
wrote:

>Since the times of Moses the Jews were oppressors or usurers, all the talent
>of Jews Is concentrated on predatory acts…They have a creed which blesses
>their thieving and misdeeds, they are real liars and bloodhounds, who have
>not only perverted and alsified the entire Scriptures from beginning to end
>and without ceasing with their interpretations.
>And all of the anxious sighing, longing and hope of their hearts is directed
>to the time when some day they would like to deal with us as they dealt with
>the heathen in Persia at the time of Esther… O how they love that Book of
>Esther, which is so suitable to their bloodthirsty revengeful, murderous
>appetite and hopes ! The sun has never shown on such a bloodthirsty and
>revengeful people, who fancy themselves to be the chosen people so they can
>murder and strangle the heathen. No people under the sun is more greedy than
>they are than they have been and always will be, as one can see from their
>accursed usury. They console themselves that when their Messiah comes, he
>will collect all the gold and silver in the world and divide it amongst
>them.
>Since childhood they have devoured such poisonous hatred against the Goyim
>from their parents and rabbis, and still devour such without ceasing, that
>flesh and blood, bone and marrow, and has become their life and being. And
>as little as they can alter flesh and blood, bone and marrow, so little can
>they change such pride and envy, they just have to stay that way and be
>ruined, if God does not perform a special miracle.
>
>”The Jews are locusts or caterpillars which are devouring France.” Sayings
>often repeated by Napoleon Bonaparte, quoted in Cherep-Spiridovich’s
>THE SECRET WORLD GOVERNMENT, page 87.
>
>
>
>

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On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:50:56 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>It seems that the despicable OyVay, the gas station attendant and Tax
>Fraud, just does not like being exposed and investigated by the Tax
>authorities in both canada and the USA!!!
>
>On 28 Mar 1998 19:27:41 GMT, [email protected] (Kenneth McVay SOB)
>wrote:
>
>Feel free to forward your complaints also to revenue Canada, either by
>phone or E-mail.
>
>Notice that the gas station employee McVay, his employment exposed in
>an interview a week ago in local papers, refuses to answer the
>questions.
>
>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>
>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>
>One must wonder whether he is so rejected by the Jews in B.C>, that he
>had to go to Edmonton to hold a meeting??
>
>Or, could it be that in Alberta Canada, there are more thinking
>people, who reject the garbage disseminated by OyVay and his gang??
>
>Perhaps some of the others in North America interested in discussing
>the Holohoax will also respond.
>
>>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, [email protected] (Michael )
>>>>wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>
>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>
>>>>Nothing new here.
>
>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>> it is NOT!!!
>
>>>>Definitely not a charity.
>
>Revenue Canada Taxation – Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>Canada!!!
>
>They can be reached directly, for filing complaints, at:
> Telephone to: 1-800-267-2384
>
>Also, you can E-mail complaints about Nizkor, to them, at:
> http://www.rc.gc.ca/charities
>
>An alternative telephone number for fraud complaints is
>Special Investigations Revenue Canada at:
> telephone # 204-983-1829
>
>
>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won’t Answer!!!!
>>>>
>
>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>> answer??
>
>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>
>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>
>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>
>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>> who can be reached at:
> http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>
>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>
>
>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>> [email protected], or
>>>> http://www.rc.gc.ca
>
> In Message, put first line of message as:
> ATTENTION SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS
> or telephone to: 204-983-1829
>
> They are waiting for your complaints
>
>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won’t Answer is:
>
>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997 00:14:06 GMT
>>> >From: Doctor detroit ([email protected])
>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>
>>> > Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>
>>> > 1) What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>
>>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy’s case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>
>>> > 2) What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>> > letters?
>
>>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>
>>> > 3) What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>
>>> > 4) What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>
>>>>Probably written on McGoy’s forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>>Brith’s butt.
>
>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>
>>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>
>>> > 5) What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>
>>> > 6) Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>
>>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>
>>> > 7) What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>> > solicit tax free contributions?
>
>>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone “contributes” more than $10 that Bnai
>>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>>Canadian dollars.
>
>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>
>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>> >OyVey???
>
>>>>It’s a reasonable assumption.
>
>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>
>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism [email protected]
>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>
>>> >Check this out!
>
>>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken’s “Big Lie”
>>>>letter just ask.
>
>
>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>> >of B’nai Brith Canada …with the cheque’s memo including “Nizkor
>>> >Project”. ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation – Nizkor Fund
>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>> >Excite Search—Search: “nizkor”
>
>>> >”From B’nai Brith’s 1996 ‘Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents’:
>
>>>> The League is working closely
>>> >with Ken McVay’s Nizkor Project (https://nizkor.org) through the
>>> >”Holocaust and Hope” program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic. The creation of a
>>> >B’nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>> >incidents directly to the National Office.”
>
>>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>
>
>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>> >promote Jewish interests.
>
>>>>That is putting it “lightly”.
>
>>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky’s book “By Way of
>>>>Deception”. Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>
>>>>[email protected]
>>>>”http://www.natall.com”
>>>>”http://www.natvan.com”
>
>>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>>Hillsboro, WV 24946
>
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>
>>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
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>
>
>>>>Revenue Canada Taxation – Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>>>Canada!!!
>
>>>show us where Nizkor has ever claimed to have one.
>
>>All you need do, is read above, or get your orderly to read for you.
>
>
>>>Just print this form, and send a money order for $25, and see whether
>>>or not you get a valid tax receipt in return…. and see if it comes
>>>from anthing called “Nizkor,” or claims that it would… won’t that be
>>>fun, Bill? If you don’t get that valid reciept, well geewhilikers,
>>>you’ve got me, eh?
>
>>>Please print this form and send to:
>>>The Nizkor Project
>>>c/o
>>>The League for Human Rights of B’nai Brith Canada
>>>xxxxxx Street
>>>Toronto, Ontario
>
>>>Name:________________________________________
>>>Street Address:________________________________________________
>>>City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______
>>>E-Mail Address:_________________________________
>>>Amount Enclosed: $___________
>
>>>Please make your donations payable to “The League for Human Rights of
>>>B’nai Brith Canada,” and add the words “Nizkor Trust Fund” to the
>>>cheque’s memo section.
>
>
>>>Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>>>[#0235903-43-13]
>
>