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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach
>wrote:
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world’s sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>> NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON’T ADD UP
>>
>> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted “to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine.”
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>> With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust “survivors” had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real “bible”, The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>> The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death “in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as “gospel truth”.
>> It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>”extermination camp”.
>>
>> HIMMLER-“REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”
>>
>> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that “The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” (Source,
>>Reitlinger’s book, “The Final Solution.”)
>> The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler’s
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, “Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates.” (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the “shockingly high mortality figures.” (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”
>> With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>”Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals”. It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>> THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, “Books and Bookmen”, April 1975, page 5,
>>”No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.”
>> The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>> This brings up the following questions.
>> 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>> 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>> 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>> 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, “The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them.” (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>> FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>> Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such “confessions” are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the “Confession’ and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>> Hoess statement read, “half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking.”
>> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not “ventable”. The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber “eating and smoking” – without
>>gas masks – only minutes after the gassing – IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>> GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, “The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann” pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>”became immediately gaseous.”
>> The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: “We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air.”
>>
>> CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), “We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped.” If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>> THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT’S ALL! In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18′ doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>> A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer’s book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich.” It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company’s ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>> “The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning.”
>> WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people – this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>> It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was “taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!”
>>
>> WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. “It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps.”
>> Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: “I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.”
>> Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>”The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie – the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time.”
>> Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. “The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.”
>>
>> WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, “Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists.”
>> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, “The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews.”
>> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: “The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews.”
>> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being “anti-Semitic” and “insensitive” to holocaust
>>victims.
>> The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>> A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>> The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don’t use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>> HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.
From [email protected] Tue Dec 29 16:58:52 EST 1998
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Subject: Jews in white sex slave trade against Slavic women pt.1
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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:54:40 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>On Sat, 09 May 1998 04:22:46 GMT, [email protected] (Lenny)
>wrote:
>>On Fri, 8 May 1998 18:51:08 -0400, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
>>
>>>On Mon, 4 May 1998, irgun1943 wrote:
>>>> Dear Sir,
>>>> I sympathize with people being forced into prostitution.
>>>> However, your intent is to promote hatred of israel and the Jewish
>>>> people.
>>>> No one wants your women. No one needs your women.
>>>> They come illegally into Israel.
>>>> Why not whore for the Germans? Ukrainians are good at that.
>>>> irgun43
>>> Despite your professed sympathies, the rest of your statements don’t
>>> stand scrutiny. These women are imported illegaly into Israel because
>>> there is obviously a demand, market, there for young slavic shikse.
>>> There would not be the trafficking, if there were no demand.
>
>>> “They come illegally …” Well it appears that many arrive quite legally
>>> on promises/expectations of other work. Others are brought in, imported,
>>> illegaly.
>
>>> Israel is a country in which there are no laws prohibiting the buying
>>> and selling of human beings as merchandise.
>>> Also prostitution is legal in Israel, and although brothels are
>>> illegal, this law seems to be more honoured in the breach.
>>> The article did not single out Israel, however whereas in other countries
>>> these things are at least illegal, that doesn’t appear to be the case
>>> in Israel.
>>> Your last sentence is definitely a statement intended to promote hatred.
>
>> The jews have a long history in slave trading. They financed and
>>promoted the slavery of the negroes, which is now resulting in the
>>racial mess we now have in America. *( For info on the jewish
>>involvement in the negro slave trade go to the following web site
>>http://www.tiac.net/users/lhl/Jews_and_Slavery.html
>> Now the jews are turning their hooked noses toward the white Eastern
>>European women, it is no wonder , these parasites of humanity abused
>>these people under communism now they abuse them sexually. It is the
>>nature of these people to destroy, like a parasite destroys it’s host.
>> May the white people of the world wake up before it’s too late!
>
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Subject: Jew Ritual Murder – discuss
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On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:09:15 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:41:38 -0400, “Richard G. Philllips”
>
>>Scoop wrote:
>>> Quoth Richard G. Philllips:
>>> : Scoop wrote:
>>> : > Dick, since you are alleging that Jews have routinely engaged in ritual
>>> : > murder throughout our long history, it is incumbent upon you to provide
>>> : > proof of your assertion.
>>===========================================
>>Phillips
>>I have never alleged and I do not believe that Jews ROUTINELY commit
>>ritual murder. I am inclined to believe that it has happened but is a
>>rare thing and certainly not indulged in by the generality of Jews.
>>After reading covington’s original post about the ocurrences in Chicago
>>in 1955,
>>I did no more than say that the circumstances, taken as a whole, were
>>highly suggestive of ritual murder.
>>===========================================
>>Phillips (previous)
>
>>> : It is well known that liberals and Jews have a penchant for hyperbole of
>>> : that sort. It reveals far more about the author than it does about the
>>> : person referred to.
>>===================================================
>>>
>>> All that it reveals about me is my opinion that you’re a spineless, lying
>>> buffoon.
>>===========================================
>>PHillips
>>
>>See what I mean?
>>=====================
>Notice that the Christkillers refuse to discuss the issue, namely how
>many of them indulge in Jewish Ritual Murder, of children???
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Subject: Re: Jew Lust for Lesbianism
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On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:38:53 +0300, I Schier
wrote:
>
>
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> In Canada a JEW Rabbi now wants to perform ILLEGAL marriages of
>> faggots and lezzies.
>
>Is his name Rabbi William Grosvenor or Rabbi Matt Giwer? Ian
Get your orderly to READ the name – to you :
Rabbi Michael Levenson of Temple Shalom
In Canada a JEW Rabbi now wants to perform ILLEGAL marriages of
faggots and lezzies. Story follows:
On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:04:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>In a move sure to anger orthodox Jews, as well as normal humans, newspapers
>across Canada report that a Winnipeg synagogue will perform marriages
>of same sex persons.
>This, even though there is no law in Canada permitting this!!!
>Rabbi Michael Levenson of Temple Shalom admits that his actions are
>illegal.
If his actions are illegal, why don’t the authorities send him to
jail??
>He is quoted as saying that his ceremonies will be recognised
>from a religious point of view, not a political one. Levenson alleges
>that members of his temple supposedly supported his action. However,
>even normal Jews are criticising this action. It seems that what this
>Jew is doing, is NOT acceptable, according to the Torah.
No wonder people think of the jews as mainly sodomites.
On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 05:45:47 +0000, Claymore
>All LEZZAS are Hate filled Bigoted Scum, just like faggots and should be
>GASSED !.
>In article <[email protected]>, Israel Schiff
>
>>On Mon, 23 Dec 1996, Elazar wrote: “For my Jewish brethren searching for a
>>Biblical basis for sanctioning homosexuality, I provide you with words from
>>Rabbis Marc Angel, Hillel Goldberg and Pinchas Stopler in their joint
>>article published in the Winter, 1992-93 edition of Jewish Action Magazine;”
>>Well, here’s another viewpoint: Bible Review, December 1993, p. 11 DOES THE
>>BIBLE PROHIBIT HOMOSEXUALITY? by Rabbi Jacob Milgrom: “The Biblical
>>prohibition is addressed only to Israel. It is incorrect to apply it on a
>>universal scale.
>>This past Yom Kippur, September 25, 1993, my synagogue invited me to explain
>>the afternoon scriptural reading, the list of forbidden sexual liaisons in
>>Leviticus 18. I chose to focus on what is today one of the most frequently
>>quoted passages in the entire Bible, “Do not lie with a male as one lies
>>with a woman, it is an abomination” (Leviticus 18:22).
>>
>>What I said may be both good news and bad news to my Christian friends,
>>depending on their position on gay and lesbian rights. This Biblical
>>prohibition is addressed only to the Jews. Non-Jews are affected only if
>>they reside in the Holy Land, but not elsewhere (see the closing exhortation
>>in Leviticus 18, verses 24-30). Thus, it is incorrect to apply this
>>prohibition on a universal scale.
>>
>>But I spoke to my fellow Jews, who are required to observe this prohibition.
>>What is the rationale for this prohibition? In a previous column, I noted
>>that the Bible’s impurity rules are part of a symbol system representing the
>>forces of life and death. Israel is required to avoid these impurities and
>>adhere to the laws commanded by God, who promotes the forces of life. Thus
>>in the same chapter we read, “You shall heed my statutes and my rules, by
>>doing them one shall live” (Leviticus 18:5). A man who discharges semen,
>>whether intentionally or otherwise, is declared impure and must purify
>>himself by bathing (a sort of re-baptism) before he is permitted to enter
>>the Temple or touch sacred (sacrificial) food (Leviticus 15:16-18). Why?
>>Because semen stands for life, and the loss of semen symbolizes the loss of
>>life.
>>
>>Note also that in the entire list of forbidden sexual unions, THERE IS NO
>>PROHIBITION AGAINST LESBIANISM. Can it be that lesbianism did not exist in
>>ancient times or that Scripture was unaware of its existence? Lesbians
>>existed and flourished, as attested in an old (pre-Israelite)
>>
>>Babylonian text and in the work of the lesbian poet Sappho (born c. 612
>>B.C.E., during the time of the First Temple), who came from the island of
>>Lesbos (hence lesbianism). But there is a fundamental difference between the
>>homosexual acts of men and women. IN LESBIANISM THERE IS NO SPILLING OF
>>SEED. Thus life is not symbolically lost, and therefore lesbianism is not
>>prohibited in the Bible.
>>
>>My argument ostensibly can be countered by a more comprehensive biblical
>>injunction. The very first commandment, given to Adam and repeated to Noah,
>>is “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth” (Genesis 1:28 and Genesis
>>9:1,7). The descendants of Noah–the entire human race–are duty-bound to
>>fulfill this commandment. But the truth is that we have not only filled the
>>earth, we have over-filled it. This does not mean, however, that the
>>commandment should be thought of as no longer in force–especially among
>>Jews, who have lost a third of their members in our lifetime. I recall an
>>incident during a premarital interview from the early years of my rabbinate.
>>The starry-eyed bride declared her noble intention to have twelve children
>>to compensate for the tragic loss of six million killed in the Holocaust. I
>>gasped, “Must you do it all by yourself?”
>>
>>I have since come to regret my flippant reply. This couple regarded their
>>forthcoming marriage as a sacrament not just between themselves, but with
>>the >Jewish people. The problem has worsened for American Jews. Because
>>intermarriage is rife and the Jewish birth rate is low, American Jewry, once
>>at zero population growth, has dipped into the minus column. Were it not for
>>a steady stream of converts, the extinction of American Jewry would be even
>>more imminent. For us the divine command, “Be fruitful and multiply” is
>>truly in force.
>>
>>To Jewish homosexuals I offer an unoriginal solution. As compensation for
>>your loss of seed, adopt children. Although adoption was practiced in the
>>ancient world (as attested in Babylonian law), there is no Biblical
>>procedure or institution of adoption. As a result the institution of
>>adoption is absent from rabbinic jurisprudence. Yet there are isolated cases
>>of a kind of pseudo-adoption in the Bible. For example, Abraham, long
>>childless, complains to God that Eliezer of Damascus, his steward, will
>>inherit him (Genesis 15:2). And barren Rachel beseeches her husband Jacob,
>>”Here is my maid Bilhah–go into her that she may bear on my knees and that
>>through her I too may have children” (Genesis 30:3). Adoption is certainly a
>>possibility today.
>>
>>Lesbian couples have an additional advantage. Not only do they not violate
>>biblical law, but through artificial insemination each can become the
>>natural mother of her children.
>>
>>Thus from the Bible we can infer the following: Lesbians, presumably half of
>>the world’s homosexual population, are not mentioned. More than ninety-nine
>>percent of the gays, namely non-Jews, are not addressed. This leaves the
>>small number of male Jewish gays subject to this >prohibition. If they are
>>biologically or psychologically incapable of procreation, adoption provides
>>a solution. I hope the Eternal, in love and compassion, will then reckon
>>their spilled seed as producing fruit. Jacob Milgrom.” (Bible Review, a
>>publication of the Biblical Archeology Society 3000 Connecticut Avenue NW,
>>Suite 300, Washington DC 20008, 202 387 8888
>>
>>
>>
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On Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:31:29 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:57:37 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2
>>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.
>>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>>sensitive site.
>>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>>groups.
>>>
>>>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests and must be resolved as
>>>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are beginning to be perceived
>>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,” she added.
>>>
>>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>>site inevitable.
>>>
>>>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>>>
>>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site.
>>>
>>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex.
>>>
>>>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>>>
>>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar.
>>>
>>>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>>and nationalists.
>>>
>>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>>forgotten.
>>>
>>>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>>be removed.
>>>>
>>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated.
>>>>
>>>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the answer but the cross, all
>>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>>the-scene discussion.”
>>>>
>>>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, “But I don’t see any
>>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>>the moment.”
>>>
>>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>>>
>>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>>>
>>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>>international funding, are on hold.
>>>
>>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently.
>>>
>>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the “Judenrampe,” the
>>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign.
>>>
>>>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>>concrete, the crematories.”
>>>
>>>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda.
>>>
>>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,” wiping out most of
>>>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>>>
>>>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>>>
>>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>>>
>>>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland’s tiny
>>>>Jewish community.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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On Sun, 15 Nov 1998 02:04:33 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:09:11 +0100, [email protected] (Rainer
>Joswig) wrote:
>>> >>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>>> >> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>>Wasn’t this article written my Dr. I. M. Stupid?
>Not unless that is your professional designation and alias.
>>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach
>>wrote:
>>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>>> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>>> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>>world’s sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>>actual took place.
>>> NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON’T ADD UP
>>> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>>population for that year amounted “to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine.”
>>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>>> With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>>holocaust “survivors” had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>>that in the Jews real “bible”, The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>>> The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>>having been put to death “in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”
>>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>>these figures which today are accepted as “gospel truth”.
>>> It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>>”extermination camp”.
>>> HIMMLER-“REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”
>>> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that “The death rate in the
>>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” (Source,
>>>Reitlinger’s book, “The Final Solution.”)
>>> The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler’s
>>>order on Jan 20, 1943, “Every means will be used to lower the
>>>death rates.” (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>>> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>>in the “shockingly high mortality figures.” (Source: Nuremberg
>>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>>2.8% in June 1943.
>>> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”
>>> With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>>”Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>>Criminals”. It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>> THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>>states in the paper, “Books and Bookmen”, April 1975, page 5,
>>>”No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.”
>>> The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>> This brings up the following questions.
>>> 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>>> 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>>MASS GASSINGS!
>>> 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>>died from typhus.
>>> 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>>the response was always the same, “The detainees themselves have
>>>not spoken of them.” (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>>1946.)
>>> FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>> Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such “confessions” are about
>>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>>1936. The communists wrote the “Confession’ and Hoess signed it.
>>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>>died in his cell.
>>> Hoess statement read, “half an hour after having released the
>>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>>smoking.”
>>> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not “ventable”. The manufacturers state
>>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>>workers ran into the gas chamber “eating and smoking” – without
>>>gas masks – only minutes after the gassing – IF THIS OCCURRED
>>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>> GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, “The Capture and Trial
>>>of Adolph Eichmann” pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>>”became immediately gaseous.”
>>> The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: “We know of
>>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air.”
>>> CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), “We knew when the people
>>>were dead because their screaming stopped.” If anyone were
>>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>>which carry typhus.
>>> THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT’S ALL! In these three
>>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>>ovens were very small with only 18′ doors and a time period of
>>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>>> A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>>William L. Shirer’s book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>>Reich.” It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company’s ovens.
>>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>>> “The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>>burning.”
>>> WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>>> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people – this would
>>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>>ashes.
>>> It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>>could be found. The official answer was that it was “taken to
>>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!”
>>> WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>>1967. “It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>>systematic extermination in those camps.”
>>> Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: “I was at
>>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.”
>>> Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>>”The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie – the
>>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time.”
>>> Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. “The
>>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.”
>>> WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>>holocaust which never occurred?
>>> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, “Not
>>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists.”
>>> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, “The
>>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>>will cowtow to the Jews.”
>>> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: “The shattering effect of
>>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews.”
>>> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>>condemned as being “anti-Semitic” and “insensitive” to holocaust
>>>victims.
>>> The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>>laws.
>>> A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>> The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>>38 years. When they don’t use the holocaust the money collection
>>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>> HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>>Zionist political goals.
>sven 88
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Subject: Jews and White Slave Trade
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On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:29:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:26:24 -0400, “Dan Parker”
>
>>Traffickers’ New Cargo:
>>Naive Slavic Women
>>By MICHAEL SPECTER
>>Ramle, Israel— Irina always assumed that her beauty would somehow rescue her
>>from the poverty and hopelessness of village life. A few months ago, after
>>answering a vague ad in a small Ukrainian newspaper, she slipped off a tour
>>boat when it put in at Haifa, hoping to make a bundle dancing naked on the
>>tops of tables.
>>She was 21, self-assured and glad to be out of Ukraine. Israel offered a new
>>world, and for a week or two everything seemed possible. Then, one morning,
>>she was driven to a brothel, where her boss burned her passport before her
>>eyes.
>>
>>“I own you,” she recalled his saying. “You are my property, and you will
>>work until you earn your way out. Don’t try to leave. You have no papers and
>>you don’t speak Hebrew. You will be arrested and deported. Then we will get
>>you and bring you back.”
>>
>>It happens every single day. Not just in Israel, which has deported nearly
>>1,500 Russian and Ukrainian women like Irina in the past three years. But
>>throughout the world, where selling naive and desperate young women into
>>sexual bondage has become one of the fastest-growing criminal enterprises in
>>the robust global economy.
>>
>>The international bazaar for women is hardly new, of course. Asians have
>>been its basic commodity for decades. But economic hopelessness in the
>>Slavic world has opened what experts call the most lucrative market of all
>>to criminal gangs that have flourished since the fall of Communism: Eastern
>>European women with little to sustain them but their dreams. Pimps, law-
>>enforcement officials and relief groups all agree that Ukrainian and Russian
>>women are now the most valuable in the trade.
>>
>>Because their immigration is often illegal—and because some percentage of
>>the women choose to work as prostitutes—statistics are difficult to assess.
>>But the United Nations estimates that 4 million people throughout the world
>>are trafficked each year—forced through lies and coercion to work against
>>their will in many types of servitude. The International Organization for
>>Migration has said that as many as 500,000 women are annually trafficked
>>into Western Europe alone.
>>
>>Many end up like Irina. Stunned and outraged by the sudden order to
>>prostitute herself, she simply refused. She was beaten and raped before she
>>succumbed. Finally she got a break. The brothel was raided, and she was
>>brought here to Neve Tirtsa in Ramle, the only women’s prison in Israel.
>>Now, like hundreds of Ukrainian and Russian women with no documents or
>>obvious forgeries, she is waiting to be sent home.
>>
>>“I don’t think the man who ruined my life will even be fined,” she said
>>softly, slow tears filling her enormous green eyes. “You can call me a fool
>>for coming here. That’s my crime. I am stupid. A stupid girl from a little
>>village. But can people really buy and sell women and get away with it?
>>Sometimes I sit here and ask myself if that really happened to me, if it can
>>really happen at all.”
>>
>>Then, waving her arm toward the muddy prison yard, where Russian is spoken
>>more commonly than Hebrew, she whispered one last thought: “I’m not the only
>>one, you know. They have ruined us all.”
>>
>>Traffic Patterns: Russia and Ukraine Supply the Flesh
>>
>>Centered in Moscow and the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, the networks trafficking
>>women run east to Japan and Thailand, where thousands of young Slavic women
>>now work against their will as prostitutes, and west to the Adriatic Coast
>>and beyond. The routes are controlled by Russian crime gangs based in
>>Moscow. Even when they do not specifically move the women overseas, they
>>provide security, logistical support, liaison with brothel owners in many
>>countries and, usually, false documents.
>>
>>Women often start their hellish journey by choice. Seeking a better life,
>>they are lured by local advertisements for good jobs in foreign countries at
>>wages they could never imagine at home.
>>
>>In Ukraine alone, the number of women who leave is staggering. As many as
>>400,000 women under 30 have gone in the past decade, according to their
>>country’s interior ministry. The Thai Embassy in Moscow, which processes
>>visa applications from Russia and Ukraine, says it receives nearly 1,000
>>visa applications a day, most of these from women.
>>
>>Israel is a fairly typical destination. Prostitution is not illegal here,
>>although brothels are, and with 250,000 foreign male workers—most of whom
>>are single or here without their wives—the demand is great. Police officials
>>estimate that there are 25,000 paid sexual transactions every day. Brothels
>>are ubiquitous.
>>
>>None of the women seem to realize the risks they run until it is too late.
>>Once they cross the border their passports will be confiscated, their
>>freedoms curtailed and what little money they have taken from them at once.
>>
>>“You want to tell these kids that if something seems too good to be true it
>>usually is,” said Lyudmilla Biryuk, a Ukrainian psychologist who has
>>counseled women who have escaped or been released from bondage. “But you can
>>’t imagine what fear and real ignorance can do to a person.”
>>
>>The women are smuggled by car, bus, boat and plane. Handed off in the dead
>>of night, many are told they will pick oranges, work as dancers or as
>>waitresses. Others have decided to try their luck at prostitution, usually
>>for what they assume will be a few lucrative months. They have no idea of
>>the violence that awaits them.
>>
>>The efficient, economically brutal routine—whether here in Israel, or in one
>>of a dozen other countries—rarely varies. Women are held in apartments, bars
>>and makeshift brothels; there they service, by their own count, as many as
>>15 clients a day. Often they sleep in shifts, four to a bed. The best that
>>most hope for is to be deported after the police finally catch up with their
>>captors.
>>
>>Few ever testify. Those who do risk death. Last year in Istanbul, Turkey,
>>according to Ukrainian police investigators, two women were thrown to their
>>deaths from a balcony while six of their Russian friends watched.
>>
>>In Serbia, also last year, said a young Ukrainian woman who escaped in
>>October, a woman who refused to work as a prostitute was beheaded in public.
>>
>>In Milan, Italy, a week before Christmas, the police broke up a ring that
>>was holding auctions in which women abducted from the countries of the
>>former Soviet Union were put on blocks, partially naked, and sold at an
>>average price of just under $1,000.
>>
>>“This is happening wherever you look now,” said Michael Platzer, the Vienna,
>>Austria-based head of operations for the U.N.’s Center for International
>>Crime Prevention. “The Mafia is not stupid. There is less law enforcement
>>since the Soviet Union fell apart and more freedom of movement. The earnings
>>are incredible. The overhead is low—you don’t have to buy cars and guns.
>>Drugs you sell once and they are gone. Women can earn money for a long
>>time.”
>>
>>“Also,” he added, “the laws help the gangsters. Prostitution is semilegal in
>>many places and that makes enforcement tricky. In most cases punishment is
>>very light.”
>>
>>In some countries, Israel among them, there is not even a specific law
>>against the sale of human beings.
>>
>>Platzer said that although certainly “tens of thousands” of women were sold
>>into prostitution each year, he was uncomfortable with statistics since
>>nobody involved has any reason to tell the truth.
>>
>>“But if you want to use numbers,” he said, “think about this. Two hundred
>>million people are victims of contemporary forms of slavery. Most aren’t
>>prostitutes, of course, but children in sweatshops, domestic workers,
>>migrants. During four centuries, 12 million people were believed to be
>>involved in the slave trade between Africa and the New World. The 200
>>million—and many of course are women who are trafficked for sex—is a current
>>figure. It’s happening now. Today.”
>>
>>Distress Calls: Far-Flung Victims Provide Few Clues
>>
>>The distress call came from Donetsk, the bleak center of coal production in
>>southern Ukraine. A woman was screaming on the telephone line. Her sister
>>and a friend were prisoners in a bar somewhere near Rome. They spoke no
>>Italian and had no way out, but had managed, briefly, to get hold of a man’s
>>cell phone.
>>
>>“Do you have any idea where they are, exactly?” asked Olga Shved, who runs
>>La Strada in Kiev, Ukraine’s new center dedicated to fighting the
>>trafficking of women in Eastern Europe and the countries of the former
>>Soviet Union.
>>
>>The woman’s answer was no. Ms. Shved began searching for files and telephone
>>numbers of the local consul, the police, anybody who could help.
>>
>>“Do they know how far from Rome they are?” she asked, her voice tightening
>>with each word. “What about the name of the street or the bar? Anything will
>>help,” she said, jotting notes furiously as she spoke. “We can get the
>>police on this, but we need something. If they call back, tell them to give
>>us a clue. The street number. The number of a bus that runs past. One thing
>>is all we need.”
>>
>>Ms. Shved hung up and called officials at Ukraine’s Interior Ministry and
>>the Foreign Ministry. Her conversations were short, direct and obviously a
>>routine part of her job.
>>
>>That is because Ukraine—and to a lesser degree its Slavic neighbors Russia
>>and Belarus—has replaced Thailand and the Philippines as the epicenter of
>>the global business in trafficking women. The Ukrainian problem has been
>>worsened by a ravaged economy, an atrophied system of law enforcement, and
>>criminal gangs that grow more brazen each year. Young European women are in
>>demand, and Ukraine, a country of 51 million people, has a seemingly endless
>>supply. It is not that hard to see why.
>>
>>Neither Russia nor Ukraine reports accurate unemployment statistics. But
>>even partial numbers present a clear story of chaos and economic
>>dislocation. Federal employment statistics in Ukraine indicate that more
>>than two-thirds of the unemployed are women. The government also keeps
>>another statistic: employed but not working. Those are people who
>>technically have jobs, and can use company amenities like day-care centers
>>and hospitals. But they do not work or get paid. Three-quarters are women.
>>And of those who have lost their jobs since the Soviet Union dissolved in
>>1991, more than 80 percent are women.
>>
>>The average salary in Ukraine today is slightly less than $30 a month, but
>>it is half that in the small towns that criminal gangs favor for recruiting
>>women to work abroad. On average, there are 30 applicants for every job in
>>most Ukrainian cities. There is no real hope; but there is freedom.
>>
>>In that climate, looking for work in foreign countries has increasingly
>>become a matter of survival.
>>
>>“It’s no secret that the highest prices now go for the white women,” said
>>Marco Buffo, executive director of On the Road, an antitrafficking
>>organization in northern Italy. “They are the novelty item now. It used to
>>be Nigerians and Asians at the top of the market. Now it’s the Ukrainians.”
>>
>>Economics is not the only factor causing women to flee their homelands.
>>There is also social reality. For the first time, young women in Ukraine and
>>Russia have the right, the ability and the willpower to walk away from their
>>parents and their hometowns. Village life is disintegrating throughout much
>>of the former Soviet world, and youngsters are grabbing any chance they can
>>find to save themselves.
>>“After the wall fell down, the Ukrainian people tried to live in the new
>>circumstances,” said Ms. Shved. “It was very hard, and it gets no easier.
>>Girls now have few opportunities yet great freedom. They see ‘Pretty Woman,’
>>or a thousand movies and ads with the same point, that somebody who is rich
>>can save them. The glory and ease of wealth is almost the basic point of the
>>Western advertising that we see. Here the towns are dying. What jobs there
>>are go to men. So they leave.”
>>
>>First, however, they answer ads from employment agencies promising to find
>>them work in a foreign country. Here again, Russian crime gangs play a
>>central role. They often recruit people through seemingly innocuous “mail
>>order bride” meetings. Even when they do not, few such organizations can
>>operate without paying off one gang or another. Sometimes want ads are
>>almost honest, suggesting that the women can earn up to $1,000 a month as
>>“escorts” abroad. Often they are vague or blatantly untrue.
>>
>>Recruiting Methods: Ads Make Offers Too Good To Be True
>>
>>One typical ad used by traffickers in Kiev last year read: “Girls: Must be
>>single and very pretty. Young and tall. We invite you for work as models,
>>secretaries, dancers, choreographers, gymnasts. Housing is supplied. Foreign
>>posts available. Must apply in person.”
>>
>>One young woman who did, and made it back alive, described a harrowing
>>journey. “I met with these guys, and they asked if I would work at a strip
>>bar,” she said. “Why not, I thought. They said we would have to leave at
>>once. We went by car to the Slovak Republic where they grabbed my passport.
>>I think they got me new papers there, but threatened me if I spoke out. We
>>made it to Vienna, then to Turkey. I was kept in a bar and I was told I owed
>>$5,000 for my travel. I worked for three days, and on the fourth I was
>>arrested.”
>>
>>Lately, the ads have started to disappear from the main cities—where the
>>realities of such offers are known now. These days the appeals are made in
>>the provinces, where their success is undiminished.
>>
>>Most of the thousands of Ukrainian women who go abroad each year are illegal
>>immigrants who do not work in the sex business. Often they apply for a legal
>>visa—to dance, or work in a bar—and then stay after it expires.
>>
>>Many go to Turkey and Germany, where Russian crime groups are particularly
>>powerful. Israeli leaders say that Russian women—they tend to refer to all
>>women from the former Soviet Union as Russian—disappear off tour boats every
>>day. Officials in Italy estimate that at least 30,000 Ukrainian women are
>>employed illegally there now.
>>
>>Most are domestic workers, but a growing number are prostitutes, some of
>>them having been promised work as domestics only to find out their jobs were
>>a lie. Part of the problem became clear in a two-year study recently
>>concluded by the Washington-based nonprofit group Global Survival Network:
>>Police officials in many countries just don’t care.
>>
>>The network, after undercover interviews with gangsters, pimps and corrupt
>>officials, found that local police forces—often those best able to prevent
>>trafficking—are least interested in helping.
>>
>>Gillian Caldwell of Global Survival Network has been deeply involved in the
>>study. “In Tokyo,” she said, “a sympathetic senator arranged a meeting for
>>us with senior police officials to discuss the growing prevalence of
>>trafficking from Russia into Japan. The police insisted it wasn’t a problem,
>>and they didn’t even want the concrete information we could have provided.
>>That didn’t surprise local relief agencies, who cited instances in which
>>police had actually sold trafficked women back to the criminal networks
>>which had enslaved them.”
>>
>>Official Reactions: Best-Placed To Help, but Least Inclined
>>
>>Complacency among police agencies is not uncommon.
>>
>>“Women’s groups want to blow this all out of proportion,” said Gennadi
>>Lepenko, chief of Kiev’s branch of Interpol, the international police
>>agency. “Perhaps this was a problem a few years ago. But it’s under control
>>now.”
>>
>>That is not the view at Ukraine’s parliament—which is trying to pass new
>>laws to protect young women—or at the Interior Ministry.
>>“We have a very serious problem here, and we are simply not equipped to
>>solve it by ourselves,” said Mikhail Lebed, chief of criminal investigations
>>for the Ukrainian Interior Ministry. “It is a human tragedy, but also,
>>frankly, a national crisis. Gangsters make more from these women in a week
>>than we have in our law-enforcement budget for the whole year. To be honest,
>>unless we get some help we are not going to stop it.”
>>
>>But solutions will not be simple. Criminal gangs risk little by ferrying
>>women out of the country; indeed, many of the women go voluntarily. Laws are
>>vague, cooperation between countries rare and punishment of traffickers
>>almost nonexistent. Without work or much hope of a future at home, an eager
>>teen-ager will find it hard to believe that the promise of a job in Italy,
>>Turkey or Israel is almost certain to be worthless.
>>
>>“I answered an ad to be a waitress,” said Tamara, 19, a Ukrainian prostitute
>>in a massage parlor near Tel Aviv’s old Central Bus Station, a Russian-
>>language ghetto for the cheapest brothels. “I’m not sure I would go back now
>>if I could. What would I do there, stand on a bread line or work in a
>>factory for no wages?”
>>
>>Tamara, like all other such women interviewed for this article, asked that
>>her full name not be published. She has classic Slavic features, with long
>>blond hair and deep green eyes. She turned several potential customers away
>>so she could speak at length with a reporter. She was willing to talk as
>>long as her boss was out. She said she was not watched closely while she
>>remained within the garish confines of the “health club.”
>>
>>“I didn’t plan to do this,” she said, looking sourly at the rich red walls
>>and leopard prints around her. “They took my passport, so I don’t have much
>>choice. But they do give me money. And believe me, it’s better than anything
>>I could ever get at home.”
>>
>>Yitzhak Tyler, the chief of undercover activities for the Haifa police, is a
>>big, open-faced man who doesn’t mince words.
>>
>>“We got a hell of a problem on our hands,” he said. The port city of 200,000
>>has become the easiest entryway for women brought to Israel to work as
>>prostitutes—though by no means the only one. Sometimes they walk off tour
>>boats, but increasingly they come with forged documents that enable them to
>>live and work in Israel. These have often been bought or stolen from elderly
>>Jewish women in Russia or Ukraine.
>>
>>“This is a sophisticated, global operation,” Tyler said. “It’s evil, and it’
>>s successful because the money is so good. These men pay $500 to $1,000 for
>>a Ukrainian or Russian woman. Do you understand what I am telling you? They
>>will buy these women and make a fortune out of them.”
>>
>>To illustrate his point, Tyler grabbed a black calculator and started
>>calling out the sums as he punched them in.
>>“Take a small place,” he said, “with 10 girls. Each has 15 to 20 clients a
>>day. Multiply that by say 200 shekels. So say 30,000 shekels a day comes in
>>to each place. Each girl works 25 days a month. Minimum.”
>>
>>Tyler was busy doing math as he spoke. “So we are talking about 750,000
>>shekels a month, or about $215,000. A man often owns five of these places.
>>That’s a million dollars. No taxes, no real overhead. It’s a factory with
>>slave labor. And we’ve got them all over Israel.”
>>
>>The Tropicana, in Tel Aviv’s bustling business district, is one of the
>>busiest bordellos. The women who work there, like nearly all prostitutes in
>>Israel today, are Russian. Their boss, however, is not.
>>
>>“Israelis love Russian girls,” said Jacob Golan, who owns this and two other
>>clubs, and spoke willingly about the business he finds so “successful.”
>>“They are blonde and good-looking and different from us,” he said, chuckling
>>as he drew his hand over his black hair. “And they are desperate. They are
>>ready to do anything for money.”
>>
>>Always filled with half-naked Russian women, the club is open around the
>>clock. There is a schedule on the wall next to the receptionist—with each
>>woman’s hours listed in a different color, and the days and shifts rotating,
>>as at a restaurant or a bar. Next to the schedule a sign reads, “We don’t
>>accept checks.” Next to that there is a poster for a missing Israeli woman.
>>
>>There are 12 cubicles at the Tropicana where 20 women work in shifts, eight
>>during the daytime, 12 at night. Business is always booming, and not just
>>with foreign workers. Israeli soldiers, with rifles on their shoulders,
>>frequent the place, as do business executives and tourists.
>>Golan was asked if most women who work at the club do so voluntarily. He
>>laughed heartily.
>>
>>“I don’t get into that,” he said, staring vacantly across his club at four
>>Russian women sitting on a low couch. “They are brought here and told to
>>work. I don’t force them. I pay them. What goes on between them and the men
>>they are with, how could that be my problem?”
>>
>>Deterrent Strategies: A System that Fails Those Who Testify
>>
>>Every once in a while, usually with great fanfare and plenty of advance
>>notice, Golan gets raided. He pays a fine, and the women without good false
>>documents are taken to prison.
>>
>>If they are deported, the charges against them are dropped. But if a woman
>>wants to file a complaint, then she must remain in prison until a trial is
>>held. “In the past four years,” Betty Lahan, prison director of Neve Tirtsa
>>here, said, “I don’t know of a single case where a woman chose to testify.”
>>
>>Such punitive treatment of victims is the rule rather than the exception. In
>>Italy, where the police say killings of women forced into prostitution
>>average one a month, parliament tried to create a sort of witness protection
>>program. But it only allowed women to stay in the country for one year and
>>did nothing to hide their identities.
>>
>>“The deck is just so completely stacked against the women in all this,” said
>>Daniella Pompei, an immigration specialist with the community of Sant’
>>Egidio, the Catholic relief agency in Rome. “The police is the last place
>>these women want to go.” She said that only 20 women had ever used the
>>protection program.
>>
>>It is not clear who will stop the mob. On a trip to Ukraine late last year,
>>Hillary Rodham Clinton spoke out about the new slave trade that has
>>developed so rapidly there. The United States and the European Union have
>>plans to work together to educate young women about the dangers of working
>>abroad. Other initiatives, like stays of deportation for prisoners, victims’
>>shelters and counseling, have also been discussed.
>>
>>“I don’t care about any of that,” said Lena, a young Latvian, one of the
>>inmates waiting to be deported here. “I just want to know one thing. How
>>will I ever walk down the street like a human being again?”
>>
>>
>>
>>
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On Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:21:06 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sat, 02 May 1998 17:33:40 +0100, John S Moore
>
>>Doc Tavish wrote:
>>> http://weber.u.washington.edu/~newstdnt/fsem/win97fsem/fsem_8.html
>>> University of Washington
>>> Crimes Without Punishment: The Communist Holocaust
>>> ————————————————————————
>>> Dr. Nikolai Popov — Comparative Literature
>>> GEN ST 197 H (SLN: 3690) M 2:30-3:20 THO 231
>>> From 1917 on, the Soviet regime exterminated tens of millions of
>>> people. How can the numbing dimensions of that Holocaust be
>>> represented? This seminar will read testimonies and historical
>>> studies, fiction and poetry, grappling with history’s longest re ign
>>> of terror and its consequences today. With its broad humanistic appeal
>>> and through the topic of representation, this seminar will familiarize
>>> students with the concerns and methods of a range of disciplines, from
>>> literary studies and history to political science and international
>>> studies. Text(s): none
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/ad2kulak.html
>>> Hanging Order
>>> 11-8-18
>>> Send to Penza To Comrades Kuraev, Bosh, Minkin and other Penza
>>> communists
>>> Comrades! The revolt by the five kulak volost’s must be suppressed
>>> without mercy. The interest of the entire revolution demands this,
>>> because we have now before us our final decisive battle “with the
>>> kulaks.” We need to set an example.
>>> 1.You need to hang (hang without fail, so that the public sees) at
>>> least 100 notorious kulaks, the rich, and the bloodsuckers. 2.Publish
>>> their names. 3.Take away all of their grain. 4.Execute the hostages –
>>> in accordance with yesterday’s telegram.
>>> This needs to be accomplished in such a way, that people for hundreds
>>> of miles around will see, tremble, know and scream out: let’s choke
>>> and strangle those blood-sucking kulaks.
>>> Telegraph us acknowledging receipt and execution of this.
>>> Yours, Lenin
>>> P.S. Use your toughest people for this.
>>> ______________________
>>> TRANSLATOR’S COMMENTS: Lenin uses the derogative term kulach’e in
>>> reference to the class of prosperous peasants. A volost’ was a
>>> territorial/administrative unit consisting of a few villages and
>>> surrounding land.
>>> [not numbered]
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> This Library of Congress Soviet Archives exhibition is important for
>>> what it represents, what it contains, and what it suggests.
>>> MAIN PAGE
>>> http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/soviet.archive.html
>>> Here is a link within Sunsite:
>>> http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/jac.html
>>> You will see as an opener the following:
>>> “The Jewish Antifascist Committee (JAC) was formed in Kuibyshev in
>>> April 1942. Two Polish Jewish socialists, Henryk Erlich and Viktor
>>> Alter (both of whom were later secretly executed), may have proposed
>>> the idea to Lavrenti Beria, the head of the NKVD. The organization was
>>> meant to serve the interests of Soviet foreign policy and the Soviet
>>> military through media propaganda — as well as through personal
>>> contacts with Jews abroad, especially in Britain and the United
>>> States, designed to influence public opinion and enlist foreign
>>> support for the Soviet war effort.
>>> The chairman of the JAC was Solomon Mikhoels, a famous actor and
>>> director of the Moscow Yiddish State Theater. Shakne Epshtein, a
>>> Yiddish journalist, was the secretary and editor of the JAC’s
>>> newspaper, Einikait (Unity). Other prominent JAC members were the
>>> poet Itsik Feffer, a former member of the Bund (a Jewish socialist
>>> movement that existed from 1897 to 1921 and supported the Mensheviks
>>> [see below for more on the Bund]), the writer Il’ia Ehrenburg,
>>> General Aaron Katz of the Stalin Military Academy, and Boris
>>> Shimelovich, the chief surgeon of the Red Army, as well as some
>>> non-Jews from the arts, sciences, and the military.
>>> A year after its establishment, the JAC was moved to Moscow and
>>> became one of the most important centers of Jewish culture and
>>> Yiddish literature until the German invasion. The JAC broadcast
>>> pro-Soviet propaganda to foreign audiences several times a week,
>>> telling them of the absence of anti-Semitism and of the great
>>> anti-Nazi efforts being made by the Soviet military…..”
>>> ——————————————-
>>> The GULAG
>>> http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/gulag.html
>>> The Soviet system of forced labor camps was first established in 1919
>>> under the Cheka, but it was not until the early 1930s that the camp
>>> population reached significant numbers. By 1934 the GULAG, or Main
>>> Directorate for Corrective Labor Camps, then under the Cheka’s
>>> successor organization the NKVD, had several million inmates.
>>> Prisoners included murderers, thieves, and other common
>>> criminals–along with political and religious dissenters. The GULAG,
>>> whose camps were located mainly in remote regions of Siberia and the
>>> Far North, made significant contributions to the Soviet economy in the
>>> period of Joseph Stalin. GULAG prisoners constructed the White
>>> Sea-Baltic Canal, the Moscow-Volga Canal, the Baikal-Amur main
>>> railroad line, numerous hydroelectric stations, and strategic roads
>>> and industrial enterprises in remote regions. GULAG manpower was also
>>> used for much of the country’s lumbering and for the mining of coal,
>>> copper, and gold.
>>> Stalin constantly increased the number of projects assigned to the
>>> NKVD, which led to an increasing reliance on its labor. The GULAG also
>>> served as a source of workers for economic projects independent of the
>>> NKVD, which contracted its prisoners out to various economic
>>> enterprises.
>>> Conditions in the camps were extremely harsh. Prisoners received
>>> inadequate food rations and insufficient clothing, which made it
>>> difficult to endure the severe weatherand the long working hours;
>>> sometimes the inmates were physically abused by camp guards. As a
>>> result, the death rate from exhaustion and disease in the camps was
>>> high. After Stalin died in 1953, the GULAG population was reduced
>>> significantly, and conditions for inmates somewhat improved. Forced
>>> labor camps continued to exist, although on a small scale, into the
>>> Gorbachev period, and the government even opened some camps to
>>> scrutiny by journalists and human rights activists. With the advance
>>> of democratization, political prisoners and prisoners of conscience
>>> all but disappeared from the camps.
>>>
>>> The conditions of the Gulags:
>>> http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/d2presid.html
>>> To the Presidium of the Central Executive Committee of the All-Union
>>> Communist Party (Bolshevik)
>>> We appeal to you, asking you to pay a minimum of attention to our
>>> request.
>>> We are prisoners who are returning from the Solovetsky concentration
>>> camp because of our poor health. We went there full of energy and good
>>> health, and now we are returning as invalids, broken and crippled
>>> emotionally and physically. We are asking you to draw your attention
>>> to the arbitrary use of power and the violence that reign at the
>>> Solovetsky concentration camp in Kemi and in all sections of the
>>> concentration camp. It is difficult for a human being even to imagine
>>> such terror, tyranny, violence, and lawlessness. When we went there,
>>> we could not conceive of such a horror, and now we, crippled
>>> ourselves, together with several thousands who are still there, appeal
>>> to the ruling center of the Soviet state to curb the terror that
>>> reigns there. As though it weren’t enough that the Unified State
>>> Political Directorate [OGPU] without oversight and due process sends
>>> workers and peasants there who are by and large innocent (we are not
>>> talking about criminals who deserve to be punished), the former
>>> tsarist penal servitude system in comparison to Solovky had 99% more
>>> humanity, fairness, and legality. […]
>>> People die like flies, i.e., they die a slow and painful death; we
>>> repeat that all this torment and suffering is placed only on the
>>> shoulders of the proletariat without money, i.e., on workers who, we
>>> repeat, were unfortunate to find themselves in the period of hunger
>>> and destruction accompanying the events of the October Revolution, and
>>> who committed crimes only to save themselves and their families from
>>> death by starvation; they have already borne the punishment for these
>>> crimes, and the vast majority of them subsequently chose the path of
>>> honest labor. Now because of their past, for whose crime they have
>>> already paid, they are fired from their jobs. Yet, the main thing is
>>> that the entire weight of this scandalous abuse of power, brute
>>> violence, and lawlessness that reign at Solovky and other sections of
>>> the OGPU concentration camp is placed on the shoulders of workers and
>>> peasants; others, such as counterrevolutionaries, profiteers and so
>>> on, have full wallets and have set themselves up and live in clover in
>>> the Soviet State, while next to them, in the literal meaning of the
>>> word, the penniless proletariat dies from hunger, cold, and back-
>>> breaking 14-16 hour days under the tyranny and lawlessness of inmates
>>> who are the agents and collaborators of the State Political
>>> Directorate [GPU].
>>> If you complain or write anything (“Heaven forbid”), they will frame
>>> you for an attempted escape or for something else, and they will shoot
>>> you like a dog. They line us up naked and barefoot at 22 degrees below
>>> zero and keep us outside for up to an hour. It is difficult to
>>> describe all the chaos and terror that is going on in Kemi, Solovky,
>>> and the other sections of the concentrations camp. All annual
>>> inspections uncover a lot of abuses. But what they discover in
>>> comparison to what actually exists is only a part of the horror and
>>> abuse of power, which the inspection accidently uncovers. (One example
>>> is the following fact, one of a thousand, which is registered in GPU
>>> and for which the guilty have been punished: THEY FORCED THE INMATES
>>> TO EAT THEIR OWN FECES. “Comrades,” if we dare to use this phrase,
>>> verify that this is a fact from reality, about which, we repeat, OGPU
>>> has the official evidence, and judge for yourself the full extent of
>>> effrontery and humiliation in the supervision by those who want to
>>> make a career for themselves. […]
>>> We are sure and we hope that in the All-Union Communist Party there
>>> are people, as we have been told, who are humane and sympathetic; it
>>> is possible, that you might think that it is our imagination, but we
>>> swear to you all, by everything that is sacred to us, that this is
>>> only one small part of the nightmarish truth, because it makes no
>>> sense to make this up. We repeat, and will repeat 100 times, that yes,
>>> indeed there are some guilty people, but the majority suffer
>>> innocently, as is described above. The word law, according to the law
>>> of the GPU concentration camps, does not exist; what does exist is
>>> only the autocratic power of petty tyrants, i.e., collaborators,
>>> serving time, who have power over life and death. Everything described
>>> above is the truth and we, ourselves, who are close to the grave after
>>> 3 years in Solovky and Kemi and other sections, are asking you to
>>> improve the pathetic, tortured existence of those who are there who
>>> languish under the yoke of the OGPU’s tyranny, violence, and complete
>>> lawlessness….
>>> To this we subscribe: G. Zheleznov, Vinogradov, F. Belinskii.
>>> Dec. 14, 1926
>>> True copy
>>> ______________________
>>> TRANSLATOR’S COMMENTS: The letter is written in very poor Russian. For
>>> the sake of clarity, the translator corrected the grammar and
>>> substituted a few words.
>>> ——————————————————————————–
>>> More on Jewish Antifacist Committee:
>>> http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/m2antfac.html
>>> JEWISH ANTIFASCIST COMMITTEE IN THE USSR
>>> Moscow, ulitsa Kropotkina, 10, Telephone: G-6-71-00, G-6-47-07
>>> [letterhead also in Russian and Yiddish]
^^^^^
>>> 21 June 1946
>>> TO COMRADE M. A. SUSLOV, DIRECTOR OF THE SECTION FOR FOREIGN POLICY OF
>>> THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY
>>> Pursuant to the inquiry of Comrade Shumeiko, we are providing some
>>> information about the Jewish Antifascist Committee in the USSR and its
>>> activity.
>>> The Jewish Antifascist Committee in the USSR was formed soon after the
>>> first antifascist radio broadcast political rally of representatives
>>> of the Jewish people, which was held in Moscow in August 1941.
>>> The Committee consists of 70 members (a list of Committee members is
>>> attached), and its executive committee has 19 members (a list of
>>> executive committee members is attached).
>>> The working staff of the Committee consists of:
>>> 1.Secretary of the Committee, whose duties (following the death of
>>> Comrade Shakhno Epshtein) are carried out by the writer I. Fefer,
>>> member of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) [VKP(b)] since
>>> 1919. 2.Deputy Secretary of the Committee, Comrade S.M. Shpigel’glias,
>>> VKP(b) member since 1919 and formerly a party worker. 3.Senior
>>> editors: N. IA. Levin, VKP(b) member since 1944 and veteran of World
>>> War II; L. A. Goldberg, not a party member, former director of the
>>> publishing house Der Emes; editor S.O. Berman, VKP(b) member since
>>> 1940, veteran of World War II; and three translators and several
>>> technical workers.
>>> In the course of the last two years, representatives of a series of
>>> foreign Jewish antifascist organizations have visited the Committee:
>>> Deputy Chairman of the Jewish Antifascist Committee of Bulgaria, Mr.
>>> Zhak Vradzhali; one of the leaders of the Union of Jews of
>>> Czechoslovakia, Mr. Rozenberg; representatives of Jewish organizations
>>> of France, Poland, et al.
>>> Recently Mr. Ben Zion Goldberg (Waife), the son-in-law of Sholem
>>> Aleichem, visited the Soviet Union. He is a prominent public figure in
>>> the United States, a member of the executive committee of the
>>> Soviet-American Friendship Society (headed by Lamont), chairman of the
>>> Committee of Jewish Scientists, Writers, and Artists of the United
>>> States (Albert Einstein is president of the Committee), vice-president
>>> of Ambidjan, the All-American Society for Aid to Birobidzhan
>>> (president of Ambidzhan– Steffenson). Mr. Goldberg is also a major
>>> American journalist, a contributor to the newspapers Toronto Star,
>>> Saint Louis Dispatch, New York Post, and Today, and to the magazine
>>> New Republic. Mr. Goldberg stayed in the Soviet Union from January 11
>>> to June 8, excluding one month when he traveled to Finland, Sweden,
>>> and Denmark.
>>> During his stay in the Soviet Union, Mr. Goldberg was received in
>>> Moscow by M. I. Kalinin and S. A. Lozovskii; he attended all meetings
>>> of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union; and he had a series of
>>> meetings with Soviet writers (including a banquet at the Union of
>>> Writers), with representatives of the Soviet Jewish community (at the
>>> Jewish Antifascist Committee in the USSR headquarters), with leaders
>>> of the State Jewish Theater, with the chief rabbi of the Moscow Jewish
>>> congregation, Shliffer, and with leaders of the Red Cross, among
>>> others.
>>> Mr. Goldberg visited Riga, Tallin, Leningrad, Minsk, Vilnius, Kaunas,
>>> Kiev, Odessa, Lvov, Uzhgorod, Mukachevo, Brody, and Stalingrad. He was
>>> received by the leading workers and writers in the capitals of the
>>> union republics.
>>> During his stay in the Soviet Union, Mr. Goldberg dispatched via the
>>> Soviet Information Bureau 33 articles to the American, Canadian,
>>> English, Palestinian, Polish, and Yiddish press. The articles were
>>> extremely friendly toward the Soviet Union.
>>> Before his departure, Mr. Goldberg began to write a book in English
>>> entitled England, the Opponent of Peace, and a book in Yiddish
>>> entitled Jewish Culture in the Soviet Union.
>>> Recently the Committee has received a series of requests from
>>> prominent Jewish public figures from several countries seeking
>>> assistance in visiting the Soviet Union. Such requests were received
>>> from: N. Goldman, the chairman of the executive committee of the World
>>> Jewish Congress; Dr. Stephen Wise, chairman of the American Jewish
>>> Congress; Louis Levine, chairman of the Jewish Union for Soviet Aid
>>> under Russian War Relief; Mr. Raiskii, the editor-in-chief of the
>>> newspaper Presse Nouvelle in Paris; et al.
>>> The Jewish Antifascist Committee in the USSR has sent during its
>>> entire existence one delegation, composed of Comrades Mikhoels and
>>> Fefer, to the United States, England, Canada, and Mexico. This
>>> delegations’s trip report has been published in the book The Jewish
>>> People against Fascism (attached; see pp. 91- 129).
>>> [signed]
>>> Chairman of the Jewish Anfifascist Committee in the USSR: S. Mikhoels
>>> Member of the Executive Committee of the Jewish Antifascist Committee
>>> in the USSR: I. Fefer
>>> _____________________
>>> TRANSLATOR’S COMMENTS:
>>> [Stamps at upper right:] Removed from the register; to the dossier of
>>> [blank] sector; date: 9 Jan. 1947.
>>> [Secretariat OMI], Central Committee of the Communist Party No. 2074 1
>>> July 1946
>>> [Handwritten marginalia at left margin of p. 1:] To the archive
>>> [illegible notations and signature] The book stays. [signed] G.
>>> Shumeiko 25/1948
>>> ………………………………………………………………………………………
>>> All material above is from a Library of Congress Web Site as stated on
>>> its main page: Soviet Archives Exhibit
>>> Welcome to the Library of Congress’s Soviet Archives exhibit.
>>> ……………………………………………………………………………………….
>>> More on RED TERROR
>>> THE RED TERROR [Section of Article]
>>> http://www.hrc.wmin.ac.uk/guest/radical/ES-BOLSH.HTM#4
>>> The Red Terror was partly a reaction to the greater horrors of the
>>> anti-Bolshevik terror in which 23,000 Reds were killed in Finland and
>>> 100,000 Jews were murdered in the Ukraine. Nevertheless Lenin
>>> repeatedly advocated terror even before the attempt on his life in
>>> September 1918. For example during one anti-Bolshevik revolt he told
>>> the authorities to organise “mass terror, shoot and deport the
>>> hundreds of prostitutes who are making drunkards of the soldiers.”
>>> Such attitudes enabled the Cheka to acquire widespread powers with
>>> virtually no external controls. By the end of the war its head,
>>> Dzerzhinsky, was able to say that “the prisons are packed chiefly with
>>> workers and peasants instead of the bourgeoisie”, and one of his chief
>>> lieutenants, Latsis, wrote that: “there is no sphere of life exempt
>>> from Cheka coverage.” Lenin himself said that “during the war –
>>> anybody who placed his own interest above the common interests … was
>>> shot…. we could not emerge from the old society without resorting to
>>> compulsion as far as the backward section of the proletariat was
>>> concerned.”
>>> Estimates of the numbers executed include 50,000 and 140,000 and
>>> George Leggett lists many unsubstantiated accusations of torture.
>>> Victor Serge later claimed that “during the civil war there was
>>> perfect order behind the front itself…. There was nothing to prevent
>>> the functioning of regular courts.” But most of those killed never had
>>> a trial and one Cheka member recalled that “our Red detachments would
>>> ‘clean up’ villages exactly the way the Whites did. What was left of
>>> the inhabitants, old men, women, children, were machine-gunned for
>>> having given assistance to the enemy.” 30
>>> The Bolshevik leadership sometimes clearly encouraged brutality. For
>>> instance, as the Whites threatened Petrograd, Lenin asked Trotsky: “Is
>>> it impossible to mobilise another 2,000 Petrograd workers plus 10,000
>>> members of the bourgeoisie, set up cannons behind them, shoot a few
>>> hundred of them and obtain a real mass impact on Yudenich?” Trotsky
>>> thankfully disregarded this but the Bolsheviks did use terror against
>>> whole groups of people such as the Cossacks or the Tambov peasants.
>>> The Tambov rebellion of 1920-21 was extremely brutal and the Red Army
>>> crushed the uprising with the burning of villages and mass executions.
>>> One government order demanded that peasants should be shot simply for
>>> “giving shelter to members of a ‘bandit’s’ family”.
>>> The Terror encouraged many anarchists to join Nestor Makhno’s peasant
>>> movement in the Ukraine. This movement was much more popular than the
>>> Bolsheviks in some areas so the Red Army made three successful
>>> alliances with him against the Whites. In these areas only ‘working
>>> people’ could stand for soviet elections, not Bolsheviks or SRs, but
>>> there were no restrictions on their press provided they did not
>>> advocate an armed uprising. However in the summer of 1919 the
>>> Bolsheviks executed several of Makhno’s officers and tried to ban the
>>> Makhnovist peasant congresses. From then on the two sides fought
>>> fiercely whenever the White threat diminished. Both sides shot
>>> prisoners but Makhno’s army tended to restrict executions to those in
>>> authority whereas the Bolsheviks shot many rank-and-file Makhnovists.
>>> 31
>>> Notes used:
>>> 30 Farber, 117-19; LCW v35, 349; v30, 510; Leggett, 465, 198, 184,
>>> 328-33, 349; E.Poretsky, Our Own People, 214. In the first months
>>> repression was relatively mild and many prisons had education
>>> facilities. However concentration camps were set up from July 1918 and
>>> mortality reached 30% in those in the north. Leggett says they were
>>> sometimes cleared by mass executions. The death penalty was formally
>>> abolished in 1920 but it was evaded by the local chekas and revoked by
>>> the summer. M.Jakobson, The Origins of the Gulag, 37, 23-4, 40.
>>> 31 Farber, 123; Service, 43; M.Palij, The Anarchism of Nestor Makhno,
>>> 151-2, 175-7, 212-19; M.Malet, Nestor Makhno…, 32, 39, 100, 129,
>>> 136.
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Notice that the opening sentence declared the cause of the Red Terror.
>>> It said: “The Red Terror was partly a reaction to the greater horrors
>>> of the anti-Bolshevik terror in which 23,000 Reds were killed in
>>> Finland and 100,000 Jews were murdered in the Ukraine.”
>>> Anti-Bolsheviks killed 100,000 Jews. Were Bolsheviks Jews?
>>> Here are some extracts from numerous sources:
>>> “Whatever the racial antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet
>>> commissariats were largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in
>>> the Communist movement was well understood in Russia. The White Armies
>>> which opposed the Bolshevik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks as
>>> common enemies” (Univ. Jew Encyc., Vol. I, p. 336).
>>> Consider this:
>>> Among the Jews who remained in Russia, which then included Lithuania,
>>> Ukraine (A History of Ukraine, Michael Hrushevsky, Yale University
>>> Press, 1941, passim), and much of Poland, were the founders of the
>>> Russian Bolshevik party.
>>> In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland
>>> and Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large
>>> scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article
>>> on “Communism” by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp
>>> 824-827).
>>> ————————————-
>>> U.S. Gov’t Printing Office House Document 1868
>>> (65th Congress, 3d session- file# 861.00/8029):
>>> Report of the Netherland Minister Relating to the conditions in
>>> Petrograd.
>>> “Whole Soviet government has sunk to the level of a criminal
>>> organisation. Bolsheviks realise that their game is up and have
>>> entered into a career of criminal madness.”
>>> “I found it necessary to promise that Litvinov should be allowed to
>>> leave England at once…”
>>> “The foregoing report will indicate the extremely critical nature of
>>> the present situation. The danger is now so great that I feel it is my
>>> duty to call the attention of the British and all other Governments to
>>> the fact that if an end is not put to Bolshevism in Russia at once the
>>> civilisation of the whole world will be threatened….”
>>> “…the danger is also being realised in German and Austrian quarters.
>>> I consider that the immediate suppression of Bolshevism is the
>>> greatest issue now before the world, not even excluding the war which
>>> is still raging, and unless as above stated Bolshevism is nipped in
>>> the bud immediately it is bound to spread in one form or another over
>>> Europe and the whole world as it is organised and worked by Jews who
>>> have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own
>>> ends the existing order of things.”
>>> ————————————————–
>>> About Trotsky, who authorized the slaughter mentioned above:
>>> http://www.idbsu.edu/surveyrc/Staff/jaynes/marxism/bios/trotsky.htm
>>>
>>> Originally named Lev Davidovich Bronstein, Trotsky was born on
>>> November 7, 1879, in Kherson Province in Ukraine, the son of Russified
>>> Jews. He was educated in Odessa and in Mykolayiv and was a star pupil
>>> with enormous intellectual capabilities.
>>> Trotsky’s political involvement began in 1896 in a circle of Mykolayiv
>>> Populists, but he soon converted to Marxism. After a brief stay at
>>> Odessa University, he returned to Mykolayiv in 1897 to organize the
>>> Southern Russian Workers Union. For this he was arrested, jailed, and
>>> exiled. He escaped from Siberian exile in 1902, fleeing to Europe and
>>> adopting the pseudonym Trotsky. Abroad he joined Lenin, L. Martov,
>>> Georgy Plekhanov, and other Russian Social-Democrats, who were
>>> publishing Iskra (The Spark). By vitue of his flair for polemic
>>> writing and oratorical brilliance, he quickly rose in the party.
>>> At the party’s Second Congress in 1903 Trotsky opposed Lenin and the
>>> Bolsheviks, siding with the Mensheviks. His characteristic
>>> independence, however, kept him from cementing any organizational
>>> ties. Alone of the major party leaders, he rushed back to Russia to be
>>> an active participant in the 1905 Revolution, where he gained
>>> practical experience as chairman of the Saint Petersburg Soviet of
>>> Workers Deputies. Jailed in December 1905 and later exiled to Siberia,
>>> Trotsky used his time to reconsider the paradoxes of revolution in
>>> backward Russia. He synthesized his thoughts in two books, 1905 and
>>> Results and Prospects.
>>> Escaping from Siberia in 1907, Trotsky spent the next decade defending
>>> his ideas and engaging in émigré squabbling. The March Revolution of
>>> 1917 caught him by surprise in New York City, where he wrote for a
>>> Russian newspaper. Trotsky reached Russia in May, quickly assumed
>>> leadership of the independent left Social-Democratic Interdistrict
>>> Group, and joined the Petrograd (as St. Petersburg was renamed)
>>> Soviet. Within weeks, he had gained enormous popularity as the most
>>> eloquent agitator of the Soviet left. In July, after being courted by
>>> Lenin, he joined the Bolshevik party and was elected to its Central
>>> Committee.
>>> As a Bolshevik, Trotsky was elected chairman of the Soviet in
>>> September. He sided with Lenin on the need to overthrow the
>>> provisional government and devoted all his energies to marshaling
>>> support for the armed uprising of the Bolsheviks. With Lenin in
>>> hiding, Trotsky was the general in charge, and he successfully
>>> directed the masses of workers and soldiers in the November
>>> revolution……
>>> Visit the Official Doc Tavish Library at:
>>> http://www.crusader.net/texts/cng/doc
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>On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:36 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:42:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>>>gangster!!!
>>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>>>>
>>>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin’s participation in war crimes
>>>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>>>not been used yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook “to
>>>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.” A Signatory may
>>>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>>>
>>>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world’s
>>>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States’ legal obligations to do so.
>>>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>>>
>>>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>>>1977, as ‘grave breaches’, the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>>>prosecute.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>>>
>>>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>>>
>>>>>”1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately.” The order was signed “Yitzhak
>>>>>R[abin].”
>>>>>
>>>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>>>”The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949″ by Israeli
>>>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo’s book “The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland”, Quartet Books,
>>>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>>>
>>>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin’s implication in
>>>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin’s orders. As a prelude to
>>>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile’. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>>>planned ‘transfer’ policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>>>master plan of “ethnical cleansing”.
>>>>>
>>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>>
>>>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as ‘war crimes’.
>>>>>
>>>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>>>> of their Inhabitants
>>>>>
>>>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>>>
>>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>>
>>>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>>>prohibit “at any time and in any place whatsoever….collective
>>>>>punishments”. It seems that the destruction of these villages – every
>>>>>single house in them – constitutes ‘collective punishment’ within the
>>>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>>>> Youngsters
>>>>>
>>>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by “force, might,
>>>>>beatings”. More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>>>
>>>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>>>these practices (i.e. Ha’aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin’s role in these
>>>>>policies.
>>>>>
>>>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) “inhuman treatment….wilfully
>>>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health”. Protocol I
>>>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>>>the acts which remain “prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:”: “Violence to
>>>>>the….physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular….(iii)
>>>>>corporal punishment.”
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>>>> Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>>>
>>>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin’s war:
>>>>>”Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>>>southern Lebanon. (…) Rabin’s War – Operation Accountability – has killed
>>>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>>>Beirut. (…) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(…) About
>>>>>80 villages have been hit.”. According to the London-based Middle East
>>>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the “majority of casualties were
>>>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>>>around 100,000.”
>>>>>
>>>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was “expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon ‘uninhabitable’ and to create a
>>>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel’s will (…)”
>>>>>
>>>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), “some 400,000
>>>>>people – mainly Shi’ite Muslims – fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves”.
>>>>>
>>>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>>>specifies as a ‘grave breach’ (war crime) “making the civilian population
>>>>>or individual civilians the object of attack” as well as “launching an
>>>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects”. Further details are provided
>>>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a ‘grave breach’ of international
>>>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>>>
>>>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>>>
>>>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>>>
>>>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>>>their country’s sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>>>
>>>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>>>of hostilities.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>>>
>>>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mr. Rabin’s Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>>>
>>>>>As to Mr. Rabin’s personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>>>and 1967).
>>>>>
>>>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>>>”to break the bones” of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by “force, might, beatings” and
>>>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel’s Prime
>>>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin’s primary responsibility for this act.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>>>
>>>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>>>described as ‘war crimes’ as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>>>view, only the most outrageous types of ‘war crimes’, as committed in World
>>>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>>>Conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>>>the “deportation … for any … purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>>>occupied territory” as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>>>”deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>>>population….when such acts are done….in connection with any crime
>>>>>against peace or any war crime”, as Crime against Humanity.
>>>>>
>>>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>>>process of law to determine a defendant’s culpability and punishment). The
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes ‘corporal punishment’, although not as
>>>>>a ‘grave breach’. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the ‘grave
>>>>>breaches’ (war crimes), if such attacks were committed “wilfully, in
>>>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>>>serious injury to body or health”.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>>>
>>>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>>>then, state:
>>>>>
>>>>>”The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law”
>>>>>(Principle III. “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him”.
>>>>>(Principle IV).
>>>>>
>>>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>>>such reservations.
>>>>>
>>>>>Conclusion
>>>>>
>>>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>>>short legal discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived – legally – by
>>>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today’s world, it
>>>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>>>circumstances.
>>>>>
>>>>>Human rights’ and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin’s
>>>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>>>found.
>>>>
>>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser
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Subject: Re: STOP ANTI-JEWISH COMPLAINTS – WHY??
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Does your comment mean that you support the JEW murders of 25 million
Ukrainians??
No wonder the Ukrainians, and now even the people in Russia, want to
get rid of all these JEWS!!!
On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:10:08 -0800, Vlad Survenko
wrote:
>Let’s put it this way, Pinnocchio: the number of Jews who assisted the Russians in
>exterminating the Ukrainians was approximately one millionth of the number of
>Ukrainians who assisted the Nazis in exterminating the Jews.
>
>Vlad
>
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 03:16:26 -0800, [email protected] (“Expat
>> Authority”) wrote:
>>
>> >What are you trying to achieve by posting all these
>> >anti-Jewish messages? What is your purpose?
>>
>> >Jewish people in your country are local citizens.
>>
>> > There are bad people among them,
>> >*** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ***
>>
>> It seems that he must either be one of the foul jews, or similar??
>>
>> This story, documented by a well respected Jewish writer, was carried
>> in many other newspapers across Canada.
>>
>> The Zionist murderers are angry that it was written by a Jew, to tell
>> the TRUTH for a change!!!
>>
>> On 17 Dec 1998 08:05:54 GMT, “Koshercook”
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>>
>> >[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and
>> >Still Hide It From Us…]
>>
>> >Archived for Scholarly Study
>>
>> >From the Toronto Sun – December 13, 1998
>>
>> >By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor
>>
>> >As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of
>> >that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th
>> >anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists
>> >now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be reminded of the Unknown
>> >Holocaust.
>>
>> >In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin
>> >determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent farmers – called
>> >kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine’s
>> >growing spirit of nationalism.
>>
>> >Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
>> >dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow – earlier
>> >versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into
>> >collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of
>> >recalcitrant farmers.
>>
>> >When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU
>> >was ordered to begin mass executions.
>>
>> >But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many
>> >people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of
>> >death – mass starvation.
>>
>> >All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
>> >Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used
>> >the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine
>> >cased one million deaths.)
>>
>> >OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing
>> >came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel.
>> >Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>>
>> >When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar
>> >Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet
>> >Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of
>> >all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named
>> >Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.
>>
>> >During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch
>> >and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus
>> >bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.
>>
>> >The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s custom-made famine and
>> >Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB’s archives, and
>> >recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died.
>> >Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five
>> >percent of Ukraine’s population was exterminated. Millions of victims
>>
>> >Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
>> >collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million
>> >peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia,
>> >Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR;
>> >massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide
>> >accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war
>> >dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
>>
>> Note that this article is written by a well regarded Jewish writer in
>> Canada!!!
>>
>> >The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes
>> >and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and
>> >Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both
>> >communism and their suffering.
>>
>> > As a direct result, during the subsequent
>> >Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the
>> >target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>>
>> >While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s Jews by
>> >the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been
>> >suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler
>> >began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before
>> >the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or
>> >concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day.
>> >In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>> >Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM
>> >Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed
>> >reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not see one
>> >under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent Walter
>> >Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of
>> >famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million people were dying around
>> >them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated
>> >Duranty’s lies.
>>
>> >Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical
>> >roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime – the inevitable
>> >result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>>
>> >Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of
>> >Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian genocide and
>> >Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him as an ally
>> >during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,”
>> >murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.
>>
>> >None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought
>> >to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago,
>> >still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state
>> >pension.
>>
>> On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:47:21 -0800, [email protected] (“Expat
>> Authority”) wrote:
>> >I have read some anti-Jewish postings on this NG… I say: stop!
>> >You know, I think that it is unfair to stereotype! You are saying that all
>> >Jews are bad, bloodsuckers etc.
>> >Yes there are people like that among the Jewish community there.
>> >EA
>> >*** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ***
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Not only in WWII are the Jews really Nazis!!!
On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:02:48 -0600, [email protected] (Orest
Slepokura) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(RTR0911) wrote:
>
>> Once again the person posting in my name will go to a federal prison for
>> violating federal law which prohibits forging of an e-mail account using a
>> phone modem which crosses state lines. The FBI has recieved my complaint. Or
>> better yet maybe i will tell the Mossad and let those boys figure a way to
>> stop it
>
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
>Re: Daniel Burros
>
>The Nov. 3, 1965, edition of the *Toronto Star* published this report,
>under the caption “Klan leader cremated in secret”:
>
>READING, Pa. (AP) — The ashes of Daniel Burros, a Ku Klux Klan leader, were
>interred secretly yesterday somewhere near this southeastern Pennsylvania city.
>
>The Jewish parents of the 28-tear-old Burros, who shot and killed himself
>Sunday, were not present for the cremation or the non-sectarian funeral.
>
>Authorities ruled that Burros killed himself after reading a newspaper
>story revealing his Jewish origin.
>
>Here we have a leader of the KKK, which allegedly carries and spreads the virus
>of anti-Semitism, turning out to have been Jewish. Was Burros perhaps an
>*agent provocateur* or was he a true believer in white supremacy?
>
>*The Jewish Standard* (Toronto) published a report in its July 1-15, 1970,
>issue wherein the accuracy of the *Toronto Star* report was confirmed.
>Captioned with
>the telltale headline “Jewish Nazi No. 2,” it added some interesting information
>concerning one Frank Collin:
>
>”…Twenty-six-tear old Frank Collin has been evicted from the Chicago
>branch of what used to be Lincoln Rockwell’s American Nazi Party because
>of reports that he had Jewish relatives. One Jewish relative was his
>father, Max Cohen, who was imprisoned in a German concentration camp,
>later in America changed his name to
>Collin and took a Gentile wife…”
>
>Was Collin perhaps an *agent provocateur* or was he a true believer in the
>Nazi ideology?
>
>Just wondering.
>
>-Orest Slepokura
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On 28 Dec 1998 23:42:01 GMT, [email protected] (Kenneth McVay SOBC) wanted to
write the truth but was prevented by his Jew masters, from telling the
story as follows:
On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:16:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:42:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King David
>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>gangster!!!
>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>>
>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin’s participation in war crimes
>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>
>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>not been used yet.
>>>
>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook “to
>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.” A Signatory may
>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>
>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world’s
>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States’ legal obligations to do so.
>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>
>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>
>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>1977, as ‘grave breaches’, the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>prosecute.
>>>
>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>
>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>
>>>”1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately.” The order was signed “Yitzhak
>>>R[abin].”
>>>
>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>”The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949″ by Israeli
>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo’s book “The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland”, Quartet Books,
>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>
>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin’s implication in
>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin’s orders. As a prelude to
>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile’. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>planned ‘transfer’ policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>master plan of “ethnical cleansing”.
>>>
>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>
>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as ‘war crimes’.
>>>
>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>> of their Inhabitants
>>>
>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>
>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>
>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>prohibit “at any time and in any place whatsoever….collective
>>>punishments”. It seems that the destruction of these villages – every
>>>single house in them – constitutes ‘collective punishment’ within the
>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>
>>> 3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>> Youngsters
>>>
>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by “force, might,
>>>beatings”. More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>
>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>these practices (i.e. Ha’aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin’s role in these
>>>policies.
>>>
>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) “inhuman treatment….wilfully
>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health”. Protocol I
>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>the acts which remain “prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:”: “Violence to
>>>the….physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular….(iii)
>>>corporal punishment.”
>>>
>>> 4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>> Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>
>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin’s war:
>>>”Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>southern Lebanon. (…) Rabin’s War – Operation Accountability – has killed
>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>Beirut. (…) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(…) About
>>>80 villages have been hit.”. According to the London-based Middle East
>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the “majority of casualties were
>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>around 100,000.”
>>>
>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was “expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon ‘uninhabitable’ and to create a
>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel’s will (…)”
>>>
>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), “some 400,000
>>>people – mainly Shi’ite Muslims – fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves”.
>>>
>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>specifies as a ‘grave breach’ (war crime) “making the civilian population
>>>or individual civilians the object of attack” as well as “launching an
>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects”. Further details are provided
>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a ‘grave breach’ of international
>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>
>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>
>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>
>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>their country’s sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>
>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>
>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>of hostilities.
>>>
>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>
>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>
>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>
>>>Mr. Rabin’s Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>
>>>As to Mr. Rabin’s personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>and 1967).
>>>
>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>”to break the bones” of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by “force, might, beatings” and
>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>
>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel’s Prime
>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin’s primary responsibility for this act.
>>>
>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>
>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>described as ‘war crimes’ as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>view, only the most outrageous types of ‘war crimes’, as committed in World
>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>Conventions.
>>>
>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>the “deportation … for any … purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>occupied territory” as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>”deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>population….when such acts are done….in connection with any crime
>>>against peace or any war crime”, as Crime against Humanity.
>>>
>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>process of law to determine a defendant’s culpability and punishment). The
>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes ‘corporal punishment’, although not as
>>>a ‘grave breach’. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>
>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the ‘grave
>>>breaches’ (war crimes), if such attacks were committed “wilfully, in
>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>serious injury to body or health”.
>>>
>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>
>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>then, state:
>>>
>>>”The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law”
>>>(Principle III. “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him”.
>>>(Principle IV).
>>>
>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>such reservations.
>>>
>>>Conclusion
>>>
>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>short legal discussion.
>>>
>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived – legally – by
>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today’s world, it
>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>circumstances.
>>>
>>>Human rights’ and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin’s
>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>found.
>>>sven88
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The full text follows:
On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:04:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>In a move sure to anger orthodox Jews, as well as normal humans, newspapers
>across Canada report that a Winnipeg synagogue will perform marriages
>of same sex persons.
>This, even though there is no law in Canada permitting this!!!
>Rabbi Michael Levenson of Temple Shalom admits that his actions are
>illegal.
If his actions are illegal, why don’t the authorities send him to
jail??
>He is quoted as saying that his ceremonies will be recognised
>from a religious point of view, not a political one. Levenson alleges
>that members of his temple supposedly supported his action. However,
>even normal Jews are criticising this action. It seems that what this
>Jew is doing, is NOT acceptable, according to the Torah.
No wonder people think of the jews as mainly sodomites.
On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 00:41:36 -0500, “Phil Essing”
>Why do you hide your true identity and email? Is it because you are ashamed
>of your own views?
>-Phil
>[email protected] wrote in message
><[email protected]>…
>>In amove sto anger orthodox Jews, as well as normal humans, newspapers
>>across Canada report that a Winnipeg synagogue will perform arriages
>>of same sex persons.
>>
>>This, even though there is no law in Canada permitting this!!!
>>
>>Rabbi Michael Levenson of Temple Shalom admits that his actions are
>>illegal. He is quoted as saying that his ceremonies will be recognised
>>from a religious point of view, not a political one. Levenson alleges
>>that members of his temple supposedly supported his action. However,
>>even normal Jews are criticising this action. It seems that what this
>>Jew is doing, is NOT acceptable, according to the Torah.
>>
>>
>
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Subject: Re: How many Polish were murdered by JEW/KGB at Katin’?
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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments.
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>>
>>(…)
>>
>>………………………………………
>>
>>
>> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
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Subject: Re: How many Polish were murdered by JEWS/KGB at Katin’?
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On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:02:20 +0100, “Buraq”
wrote:
>Omerta…. To chyba TY powinienes wystrzegac sie tego zlowieszczego wyrazu.
25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
the anti-Germans.
Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
Oswiecim?
On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>Igal wrote:
>
>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>W.W.II.
>>
>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>purposes.
>>
>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>
>Igal,
>I think you are wrong.
>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>
>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>
>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>such arguments.
>
>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>………………………………………
> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach
>wrote:
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world’s sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>> NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON’T ADD UP
>>
>> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted “to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine.”
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>> With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust “survivors” had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real “bible”, The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>> The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death “in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as “gospel truth”.
>> It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>”extermination camp”.
>>
>> HIMMLER-“REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”
>>
>> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that “The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” (Source,
>>Reitlinger’s book, “The Final Solution.”)
>> The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler’s
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, “Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates.” (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the “shockingly high mortality figures.” (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”
>> With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>”Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals”. It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>> THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, “Books and Bookmen”, April 1975, page 5,
>>”No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.”
>> The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>> This brings up the following questions.
>> 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>> 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>> 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>> 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, “The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them.” (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>> FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>> Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such “confessions” are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the “Confession’ and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>> Hoess statement read, “half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking.”
>> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not “ventable”. The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber “eating and smoking” – without
>>gas masks – only minutes after the gassing – IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>> GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, “The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann” pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>”became immediately gaseous.”
>> The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: “We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air.”
>>
>> CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), “We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped.” If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>> THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT’S ALL! In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18′ doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>> A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer’s book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich.” It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company’s ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>> “The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning.”
>> WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people – this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>> It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was “taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!”
>>
>> WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. “It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps.”
>> Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: “I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.”
>> Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>”The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie – the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time.”
>> Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. “The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.”
>>
>> WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, “Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists.”
>> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, “The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews.”
>> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: “The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews.”
>> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being “anti-Semitic” and “insensitive” to holocaust
>>victims.
>> The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>> A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>> The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don’t use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>> HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.
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On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:33:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 1998 20:32:10 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:45:53 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Commercializing’ the Holocaust
>>
>>The Los Angeles Wiesenthal Center pays the Vienna “Nazi Hunter” $75,000 a year for the use of his name, the director of Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust
>>center said in 1988.
>>
>>Both the Center and Wiesenthal “commercialize” and “trivialize” the Holocaust, the director added.
>>
>>Wiesenthal “threw out” the figure of “11 million who were murdered in the Holocaust — six million Jews and five million non-Jews,” said the Yad
>>Vashem official. When asked why he gave these figures, Wiesenthal replied: “The gentiles will not pay attention if we do not mention their victims,
>>too.” Wiesenthal “chose ‘five million (gentiles)’ because he wanted a ‘diplomatic’ number, one that told of a large number of gentile victims but in
>>no way was larger than that of Jews …”
>>
>>”What Wiesenthal and the Los Angeles Center that bears his name do is to trivialize the Holocaust,” commented The Jewish Press, a weekly that claims
>>to be the largest-circulation English-language Jewish community paper in America.
>>
>>In recent years Wiesenthal has been concerned about the growing impact of Holocaust revisionism. In “A Message from Simon Wiesenthal” published by the
>>Center that bears his name, he said: “Today, when I see the rise of antisemitism here in Europe … the popularity of Le Pen, of David Duke, of the
>>Holocaust revisionists, then I am convinced more than ever about the need for our new [Wiesenthal Center] Beit Hashoah-Museum of Tolerance” in Los
>>Angeles.
>>
>>Wiesenthal is often asked why he does not forgive those who persecuted Jews half a century ago. His stock answer is that although he has the right to
>>forgive for himself, he does not have the right to forgive on behalf of others.On the basis of this sophistical logic, though, neither does he have
>>the right to accuse and track down anyone in the name of others. Wiesenthal has never confined his “hunt” to those who victimized him personally.
>>
>>END OF ARTICLE (From Radio Islam http://www.radioislam.org)
>>
>>Sadly the above portrayal is the type of crazy person that results from zionist breeding (inbreeding ?) and zionist brainwashing.
>>
>>A proof that zionism makes the human mind go crazy by it’s demands on adherents that they believe the unbelievable.
>>
>>I , Abu Jihad , have dealt with and seen too many screaming zionist crazies on these newsgroups to believe that this is an isolated phenomenon.
>>Sometimes one can almost feel these rabid “jewish” zionists foaming at the mouth like demented creatures of the Twilight Zone as they clatter away at
>>their keyboards with their transmogrifying hands-cum-paws. Trying desperately to hide the truth about Satanic World Zionism and the Satanic Zionist
>>Occupation of Palestine. But God has truly cursed them and now more and more people are spreading the truth about their lying ways. On USENET. On the
>>Web. On Radio (what little of it that remains free of Zionist “jewish” control- and that’s very little). Slowly but surely more and more people are
>>waking up to the reality of Zionist control and conspiracy of the world’s media , resources and markets.
>>
>>Their devious manipulation and world-wide control of the newsmedia and newspapers turning them into JEWSMEDIA and JEWSPAPERS.
>>
>>Their USURY ,and swindling of the world financial system Look at Wall Street for example Wall Street is a hornet’s nest of scheming Jewish thieves and
>>criminals.In the 1980s four men nearly destroyed Wall Street,the four–Michael Milken, Ivan Boesky, Dennis Levine, and Martin Siegel–are Jews, and
>>they stole billions of dollars.Not to forget to mention George Soros and the other International Jewish Bankers who have raped Thailand , Malaysia ,
>>Britain , Indonesia by speculating on their currencies. Yet again we see the pattern emerging of the International Jew-Zionist rampant throughout the
>>world’s Nations in search of profits and destroying whole Nations’ economies in the process.
>>
>>
>>
>>ABU JIHAD …The voice from the desert crying out for all to see the rising danger before it is too late.
>>
>>**************************************************
>>VISIT Radio Islam http://www.radioislam.org
>>**************************************************
>>———————————————————————————————————————————-
>>TO ALL THE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD :
>>SATANIC ZIONISM IS THE ENEMY OF ALL THE WORLD’S PEOPLE
>>UNITE TO FREE YOURSELF FROM THE “jewish” ZIONIST SHACKLES AND CHAINS BINDING YOU !!!
>>FREE PALESTINE FROM ZIONIST OCCUPATION
>>NO MORE HOLOHOAX LIES
>>NO MORE JEWSMEDIA LIES.
>>NO MORE JEWSMEDIA PERIOD.
>>NO MORE JEWSPAPERS HIDING THE PALESTINIAN HOLOCAUST.
>>NO MORE JEWSPAPERS PERIOD.
>>
>>
>>ABU JIHAD
>
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On Tue, 03 Nov 1998 20:32:10 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:45:53 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>Commercializing’ the Holocaust
>>
>>The Los Angeles Wiesenthal Center pays the Vienna “Nazi Hunter” $75,000 a year for the use of his name, the director of Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust
>>center said in 1988.
>>
>>Both the Center and Wiesenthal “commercialize” and “trivialize” the Holocaust, the director added.
>>
>>Wiesenthal “threw out” the figure of “11 million who were murdered in the Holocaust — six million Jews and five million non-Jews,” said the Yad
>>Vashem official. When asked why he gave these figures, Wiesenthal replied: “The gentiles will not pay attention if we do not mention their victims,
>>too.” Wiesenthal “chose ‘five million (gentiles)’ because he wanted a ‘diplomatic’ number, one that told of a large number of gentile victims but in
>>no way was larger than that of Jews …”
>>
>>”What Wiesenthal and the Los Angeles Center that bears his name do is to trivialize the Holocaust,” commented The Jewish Press, a weekly that claims
>>to be the largest-circulation English-language Jewish community paper in America.
>>
>>In recent years Wiesenthal has been concerned about the growing impact of Holocaust revisionism. In “A Message from Simon Wiesenthal” published by the
>>Center that bears his name, he said: “Today, when I see the rise of antisemitism here in Europe … the popularity of Le Pen, of David Duke, of the
>>Holocaust revisionists, then I am convinced more than ever about the need for our new [Wiesenthal Center] Beit Hashoah-Museum of Tolerance” in Los
>>Angeles.
>>
>>Wiesenthal is often asked why he does not forgive those who persecuted Jews half a century ago. His stock answer is that although he has the right to
>>forgive for himself, he does not have the right to forgive on behalf of others.On the basis of this sophistical logic, though, neither does he have
>>the right to accuse and track down anyone in the name of others. Wiesenthal has never confined his “hunt” to those who victimized him personally.
>>
>>END OF ARTICLE (From Radio Islam http://www.radioislam.org)
>>
>>Sadly the above portrayal is the type of crazy person that results from zionist breeding (inbreeding ?) and zionist brainwashing.
>>
>>A proof that zionism makes the human mind go crazy by it’s demands on adherents that they believe the unbelievable.
>>
>>I , Abu Jihad , have dealt with and seen too many screaming zionist crazies on these newsgroups to believe that this is an isolated phenomenon.
>>Sometimes one can almost feel these rabid “jewish” zionists foaming at the mouth like demented creatures of the Twilight Zone as they clatter away at
>>their keyboards with their transmogrifying hands-cum-paws. Trying desperately to hide the truth about Satanic World Zionism and the Satanic Zionist
>>Occupation of Palestine. But God has truly cursed them and now more and more people are spreading the truth about their lying ways. On USENET. On the
>>Web. On Radio (what little of it that remains free of Zionist “jewish” control- and that’s very little). Slowly but surely more and more people are
>>waking up to the reality of Zionist control and conspiracy of the world’s media , resources and markets.
>>
>>Their devious manipulation and world-wide control of the newsmedia and newspapers turning them into JEWSMEDIA and JEWSPAPERS.
>>
>>Their USURY ,and swindling of the world financial system Look at Wall Street for example Wall Street is a hornet’s nest of scheming Jewish thieves and
>>criminals.In the 1980s four men nearly destroyed Wall Street,the four–Michael Milken, Ivan Boesky, Dennis Levine, and Martin Siegel–are Jews, and
>>they stole billions of dollars.Not to forget to mention George Soros and the other International Jewish Bankers who have raped Thailand , Malaysia ,
>>Britain , Indonesia by speculating on their currencies. Yet again we see the pattern emerging of the International Jew-Zionist rampant throughout the
>>world’s Nations in search of profits and destroying whole Nations’ economies in the process.
>>
>>
>>
>>ABU JIHAD …The voice from the desert crying out for all to see the rising danger before it is too late.
>>
>>**************************************************
>>VISIT Radio Islam http://www.radioislam.org
>>**************************************************
>>———————————————————————————————————————————-
>>TO ALL THE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD :
>>SATANIC ZIONISM IS THE ENEMY OF ALL THE WORLD’S PEOPLE
>>UNITE TO FREE YOURSELF FROM THE “jewish” ZIONIST SHACKLES AND CHAINS BINDING YOU !!!
>>FREE PALESTINE FROM ZIONIST OCCUPATION
>>NO MORE HOLOHOAX LIES
>>NO MORE JEWSMEDIA LIES.
>>NO MORE JEWSMEDIA PERIOD.
>>NO MORE JEWSPAPERS HIDING THE PALESTINIAN HOLOCAUST.
>>NO MORE JEWSPAPERS PERIOD.
>>
>>
>>ABU JIHAD
On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:33:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
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Subject: Re: Concentration Camp Boss Safe
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This just means that JEW war criminals are immune from prosecution,
because they are JEWS!!!!
On 28 Dec 1998 19:14:12 -0800, Bireal Lynx
>Found this in the December, 29 issue of the British newspaper. Thought it might
>interest your group.
>The Independent
>http://www.independent.co.uk/
>
> Israel protects concentration camp boss
>
>By Adam LeBor Central Europe Correspondent
>
>An extradition request by Polish authorities for an alleged former commander of
>a Stalinist-era detention camp now living in Tel Aviv has been rejected by
>Israel.
>
>Salomon Morel is wanted by the prosecutor’s office in the southern Polish city
>of Katowice. He is charged with crimes against humanity while he was commander
>of the Swietochlowice camp where more than 3,000 prisoners, mainly Germans, but
>also including several citizens of allied and neutral nations, were held during
>1945.
>
>A reply sent to the Polish Justice Ministry from Israeli authorities said that
>Israel would not extradite Mr Morel. Officials said the crimes with which he is
>charged are not perceived in Israel as genocide, and so are subject to the
>statute of limitations, the Polish news agency PAP reported.
>
>The demand by Polish authorities for Mr Morel’s extradition is the second
>attempt this month to bring back former Communist officials. The Polish military
>prosecutor in Warsaw recently issued an arrest warrant for Helena Brus, formerly
>Wolinska, now married to an Oxford don.
>
>During the 1950s Ms Wolinska worked as a military prosecutor in Warsaw, issuing
>arrest warrants. Many of those detained under her orders were later hanged. Both
>Mr Morel and Mrs Brus are Jewish.
>
>Swietochlowice was set up by the Soviet NKVD – forerunner of the KGB – after the
>Red Army’s liberation of southern Poland. The camp was later handed over to the
>Polish secret service, the notorious UB.
>
>Stalin’s policy was to put Jews in charge of camps. Their experiences during the
>Nazi Holocaust would mean that Germans and Poles held there could expect little
>mercy. More than half of the 3,000 prisoners at Swietochlowice were murdered or
>died there, according to PAP.
>
>Dorota Boriczek, a camp survivor, remembers Salomon Morel as a barbaric and
>cruel man who, with his colleagues, was responsible for many killings of
>inmates. “I knew Morel in the camp. He was a very brutal man. He was young then.
>He would come in at night. We could hear the cries of the men then. They would
>beat them and throw the bodies out of the window,” Mrs Boriczek, now 68 and
>living in Ludswigberg, Germany, told The Independent.
>
>”I was taken there when I was 14, with my mother. I still don’t know why we were
>there and I still want to know. They told us when we arrived, ‘You are here, and
>you are here to die, although nobody will shoot you, because ammunition is too
>expensive’.”
>
>Conditions in the camp were horrific, said Mrs Boriczek, who has begun a legal
>process in Katowice to try to find out why she was sent to the camp.
>
>”There was nothing to eat, a hunger that you cannot imagine. We were lucky to
>have a piece of bread once a day, nothing else, and water. Both my mother and I
>had typhus. We were separated and I didn’t know she was alive. I had a high
>fever and when I opened my eyes, I was sleeping next to a lady from Switzerland.
>I slept with her under one blanket. I was happy that she was dead, because that
>meant I could have her blanket.”
>
>Mr Morel, born in 1919, lost much of his family in the Holocaust before joining
>the partisans, in his case a Jewish military unit, according to John Sack, the
>American author of An Eye for An Eye: The Untold Story of Jewish Revenge Against
>Germans in 1945.
>
>In 1995, 50 years after her imprisonment at Swietochlowice, Mrs Boriczek saw Mr
>Morel in the Katowice prosecutor’s office. She said she felt more pity than
>hatred.
>
>”I hated him all my life and then when I saw him I saw an old, fat man. I could
>see he was ill. I would even have given him my hand. I asked him why he did
>these crimes. He told me I was lying and everybody loved him.”
>
>Mr Morel refused to speak to The Independent. A man in Tel Aviv who identified
>himself as Mr Morel’s son said his father did not talk to journalists.
From [email protected] Tue Dec 29 16:59:31 EST 1998
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Subject: Jews in white sex slave trade against Slavic women pt.1
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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:54:40 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>On Sat, 09 May 1998 04:22:46 GMT, [email protected] (Lenny)
>wrote:
>>On Fri, 8 May 1998 18:51:08 -0400, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
>>
>>>On Mon, 4 May 1998, irgun1943 wrote:
>>>> Dear Sir,
>>>> I sympathize with people being forced into prostitution.
>>>> However, your intent is to promote hatred of israel and the Jewish
>>>> people.
>>>> No one wants your women. No one needs your women.
>>>> They come illegally into Israel.
>>>> Why not whore for the Germans? Ukrainians are good at that.
>>>> irgun43
>>> Despite your professed sympathies, the rest of your statements don’t
>>> stand scrutiny. These women are imported illegaly into Israel because
>>> there is obviously a demand, market, there for young slavic shikse.
>>> There would not be the trafficking, if there were no demand.
>
>>> “They come illegally …” Well it appears that many arrive quite legally
>>> on promises/expectations of other work. Others are brought in, imported,
>>> illegaly.
>
>>> Israel is a country in which there are no laws prohibiting the buying
>>> and selling of human beings as merchandise.
>>> Also prostitution is legal in Israel, and although brothels are
>>> illegal, this law seems to be more honoured in the breach.
>>> The article did not single out Israel, however whereas in other countries
>>> these things are at least illegal, that doesn’t appear to be the case
>>> in Israel.
>>> Your last sentence is definitely a statement intended to promote hatred.
>
>> The jews have a long history in slave trading. They financed and
>>promoted the slavery of the negroes, which is now resulting in the
>>racial mess we now have in America. *( For info on the jewish
>>involvement in the negro slave trade go to the following web site
>>http://www.tiac.net/users/lhl/Jews_and_Slavery.html
>> Now the jews are turning their hooked noses toward the white Eastern
>>European women, it is no wonder , these parasites of humanity abused
>>these people under communism now they abuse them sexually. It is the
>>nature of these people to destroy, like a parasite destroys it’s host.
>> May the white people of the world wake up before it’s too late!
>
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Subject: Jew Ritual Murder – discuss
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On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:09:15 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:41:38 -0400, “Richard G. Philllips”
>
>>Scoop wrote:
>>> Quoth Richard G. Philllips:
>>> : Scoop wrote:
>>> : > Dick, since you are alleging that Jews have routinely engaged in ritual
>>> : > murder throughout our long history, it is incumbent upon you to provide
>>> : > proof of your assertion.
>>===========================================
>>Phillips
>>I have never alleged and I do not believe that Jews ROUTINELY commit
>>ritual murder. I am inclined to believe that it has happened but is a
>>rare thing and certainly not indulged in by the generality of Jews.
>>After reading covington’s original post about the ocurrences in Chicago
>>in 1955,
>>I did no more than say that the circumstances, taken as a whole, were
>>highly suggestive of ritual murder.
>>===========================================
>>Phillips (previous)
>
>>> : It is well known that liberals and Jews have a penchant for hyperbole of
>>> : that sort. It reveals far more about the author than it does about the
>>> : person referred to.
>>===================================================
>>>
>>> All that it reveals about me is my opinion that you’re a spineless, lying
>>> buffoon.
>>===========================================
>>PHillips
>>
>>See what I mean?
>>=====================
>Notice that the Christkillers refuse to discuss the issue, namely how
>many of them indulge in Jewish Ritual Murder, of children???
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Subject: OSWIECIM – Polish Crosses vs. JEWS
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On Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:31:29 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:57:37 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2
>>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.
>>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>>sensitive site.
>>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>>groups.
>>>
>>>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests and must be resolved as
>>>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are beginning to be perceived
>>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,” she added.
>>>
>>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>>site inevitable.
>>>
>>>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>>>
>>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site.
>>>
>>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex.
>>>
>>>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>>>
>>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar.
>>>
>>>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>>and nationalists.
>>>
>>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>>forgotten.
>>>
>>>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>>be removed.
>>>>
>>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated.
>>>>
>>>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the answer but the cross, all
>>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>>the-scene discussion.”
>>>>
>>>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, “But I don’t see any
>>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>>the moment.”
>>>
>>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>>>
>>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>>>
>>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>>international funding, are on hold.
>>>
>>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently.
>>>
>>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the “Judenrampe,” the
>>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign.
>>>
>>>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>>concrete, the crematories.”
>>>
>>>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda.
>>>
>>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,” wiping out most of
>>>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>>>
>>>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>>>
>>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>>>
>>>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland’s tiny
>>>>Jewish community.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Subject: Jews and White Slave Trade
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On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:29:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:26:24 -0400, “Dan Parker”
>
>>Traffickers’ New Cargo:
>>Naive Slavic Women
>>By MICHAEL SPECTER
>>Ramle, Israel— Irina always assumed that her beauty would somehow rescue her
>>from the poverty and hopelessness of village life. A few months ago, after
>>answering a vague ad in a small Ukrainian newspaper, she slipped off a tour
>>boat when it put in at Haifa, hoping to make a bundle dancing naked on the
>>tops of tables.
>>She was 21, self-assured and glad to be out of Ukraine. Israel offered a new
>>world, and for a week or two everything seemed possible. Then, one morning,
>>she was driven to a brothel, where her boss burned her passport before her
>>eyes.
>>
>>“I own you,” she recalled his saying. “You are my property, and you will
>>work until you earn your way out. Don’t try to leave. You have no papers and
>>you don’t speak Hebrew. You will be arrested and deported. Then we will get
>>you and bring you back.”
>>
>>It happens every single day. Not just in Israel, which has deported nearly
>>1,500 Russian and Ukrainian women like Irina in the past three years. But
>>throughout the world, where selling naive and desperate young women into
>>sexual bondage has become one of the fastest-growing criminal enterprises in
>>the robust global economy.
>>
>>The international bazaar for women is hardly new, of course. Asians have
>>been its basic commodity for decades. But economic hopelessness in the
>>Slavic world has opened what experts call the most lucrative market of all
>>to criminal gangs that have flourished since the fall of Communism: Eastern
>>European women with little to sustain them but their dreams. Pimps, law-
>>enforcement officials and relief groups all agree that Ukrainian and Russian
>>women are now the most valuable in the trade.
>>
>>Because their immigration is often illegal—and because some percentage of
>>the women choose to work as prostitutes—statistics are difficult to assess.
>>But the United Nations estimates that 4 million people throughout the world
>>are trafficked each year—forced through lies and coercion to work against
>>their will in many types of servitude. The International Organization for
>>Migration has said that as many as 500,000 women are annually trafficked
>>into Western Europe alone.
>>
>>Many end up like Irina. Stunned and outraged by the sudden order to
>>prostitute herself, she simply refused. She was beaten and raped before she
>>succumbed. Finally she got a break. The brothel was raided, and she was
>>brought here to Neve Tirtsa in Ramle, the only women’s prison in Israel.
>>Now, like hundreds of Ukrainian and Russian women with no documents or
>>obvious forgeries, she is waiting to be sent home.
>>
>>“I don’t think the man who ruined my life will even be fined,” she said
>>softly, slow tears filling her enormous green eyes. “You can call me a fool
>>for coming here. That’s my crime. I am stupid. A stupid girl from a little
>>village. But can people really buy and sell women and get away with it?
>>Sometimes I sit here and ask myself if that really happened to me, if it can
>>really happen at all.”
>>
>>Then, waving her arm toward the muddy prison yard, where Russian is spoken
>>more commonly than Hebrew, she whispered one last thought: “I’m not the only
>>one, you know. They have ruined us all.”
>>
>>Traffic Patterns: Russia and Ukraine Supply the Flesh
>>
>>Centered in Moscow and the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, the networks trafficking
>>women run east to Japan and Thailand, where thousands of young Slavic women
>>now work against their will as prostitutes, and west to the Adriatic Coast
>>and beyond. The routes are controlled by Russian crime gangs based in
>>Moscow. Even when they do not specifically move the women overseas, they
>>provide security, logistical support, liaison with brothel owners in many
>>countries and, usually, false documents.
>>
>>Women often start their hellish journey by choice. Seeking a better life,
>>they are lured by local advertisements for good jobs in foreign countries at
>>wages they could never imagine at home.
>>
>>In Ukraine alone, the number of women who leave is staggering. As many as
>>400,000 women under 30 have gone in the past decade, according to their
>>country’s interior ministry. The Thai Embassy in Moscow, which processes
>>visa applications from Russia and Ukraine, says it receives nearly 1,000
>>visa applications a day, most of these from women.
>>
>>Israel is a fairly typical destination. Prostitution is not illegal here,
>>although brothels are, and with 250,000 foreign male workers—most of whom
>>are single or here without their wives—the demand is great. Police officials
>>estimate that there are 25,000 paid sexual transactions every day. Brothels
>>are ubiquitous.
>>
>>None of the women seem to realize the risks they run until it is too late.
>>Once they cross the border their passports will be confiscated, their
>>freedoms curtailed and what little money they have taken from them at once.
>>
>>“You want to tell these kids that if something seems too good to be true it
>>usually is,” said Lyudmilla Biryuk, a Ukrainian psychologist who has
>>counseled women who have escaped or been released from bondage. “But you can
>>’t imagine what fear and real ignorance can do to a person.”
>>
>>The women are smuggled by car, bus, boat and plane. Handed off in the dead
>>of night, many are told they will pick oranges, work as dancers or as
>>waitresses. Others have decided to try their luck at prostitution, usually
>>for what they assume will be a few lucrative months. They have no idea of
>>the violence that awaits them.
>>
>>The efficient, economically brutal routine—whether here in Israel, or in one
>>of a dozen other countries—rarely varies. Women are held in apartments, bars
>>and makeshift brothels; there they service, by their own count, as many as
>>15 clients a day. Often they sleep in shifts, four to a bed. The best that
>>most hope for is to be deported after the police finally catch up with their
>>captors.
>>
>>Few ever testify. Those who do risk death. Last year in Istanbul, Turkey,
>>according to Ukrainian police investigators, two women were thrown to their
>>deaths from a balcony while six of their Russian friends watched.
>>
>>In Serbia, also last year, said a young Ukrainian woman who escaped in
>>October, a woman who refused to work as a prostitute was beheaded in public.
>>
>>In Milan, Italy, a week before Christmas, the police broke up a ring that
>>was holding auctions in which women abducted from the countries of the
>>former Soviet Union were put on blocks, partially naked, and sold at an
>>average price of just under $1,000.
>>
>>“This is happening wherever you look now,” said Michael Platzer, the Vienna,
>>Austria-based head of operations for the U.N.’s Center for International
>>Crime Prevention. “The Mafia is not stupid. There is less law enforcement
>>since the Soviet Union fell apart and more freedom of movement. The earnings
>>are incredible. The overhead is low—you don’t have to buy cars and guns.
>>Drugs you sell once and they are gone. Women can earn money for a long
>>time.”
>>
>>“Also,” he added, “the laws help the gangsters. Prostitution is semilegal in
>>many places and that makes enforcement tricky. In most cases punishment is
>>very light.”
>>
>>In some countries, Israel among them, there is not even a specific law
>>against the sale of human beings.
>>
>>Platzer said that although certainly “tens of thousands” of women were sold
>>into prostitution each year, he was uncomfortable with statistics since
>>nobody involved has any reason to tell the truth.
>>
>>“But if you want to use numbers,” he said, “think about this. Two hundred
>>million people are victims of contemporary forms of slavery. Most aren’t
>>prostitutes, of course, but children in sweatshops, domestic workers,
>>migrants. During four centuries, 12 million people were believed to be
>>involved in the slave trade between Africa and the New World. The 200
>>million—and many of course are women who are trafficked for sex—is a current
>>figure. It’s happening now. Today.”
>>
>>Distress Calls: Far-Flung Victims Provide Few Clues
>>
>>The distress call came from Donetsk, the bleak center of coal production in
>>southern Ukraine. A woman was screaming on the telephone line. Her sister
>>and a friend were prisoners in a bar somewhere near Rome. They spoke no
>>Italian and had no way out, but had managed, briefly, to get hold of a man’s
>>cell phone.
>>
>>“Do you have any idea where they are, exactly?” asked Olga Shved, who runs
>>La Strada in Kiev, Ukraine’s new center dedicated to fighting the
>>trafficking of women in Eastern Europe and the countries of the former
>>Soviet Union.
>>
>>The woman’s answer was no. Ms. Shved began searching for files and telephone
>>numbers of the local consul, the police, anybody who could help.
>>
>>“Do they know how far from Rome they are?” she asked, her voice tightening
>>with each word. “What about the name of the street or the bar? Anything will
>>help,” she said, jotting notes furiously as she spoke. “We can get the
>>police on this, but we need something. If they call back, tell them to give
>>us a clue. The street number. The number of a bus that runs past. One thing
>>is all we need.”
>>
>>Ms. Shved hung up and called officials at Ukraine’s Interior Ministry and
>>the Foreign Ministry. Her conversations were short, direct and obviously a
>>routine part of her job.
>>
>>That is because Ukraine—and to a lesser degree its Slavic neighbors Russia
>>and Belarus—has replaced Thailand and the Philippines as the epicenter of
>>the global business in trafficking women. The Ukrainian problem has been
>>worsened by a ravaged economy, an atrophied system of law enforcement, and
>>criminal gangs that grow more brazen each year. Young European women are in
>>demand, and Ukraine, a country of 51 million people, has a seemingly endless
>>supply. It is not that hard to see why.
>>
>>Neither Russia nor Ukraine reports accurate unemployment statistics. But
>>even partial numbers present a clear story of chaos and economic
>>dislocation. Federal employment statistics in Ukraine indicate that more
>>than two-thirds of the unemployed are women. The government also keeps
>>another statistic: employed but not working. Those are people who
>>technically have jobs, and can use company amenities like day-care centers
>>and hospitals. But they do not work or get paid. Three-quarters are women.
>>And of those who have lost their jobs since the Soviet Union dissolved in
>>1991, more than 80 percent are women.
>>
>>The average salary in Ukraine today is slightly less than $30 a month, but
>>it is half that in the small towns that criminal gangs favor for recruiting
>>women to work abroad. On average, there are 30 applicants for every job in
>>most Ukrainian cities. There is no real hope; but there is freedom.
>>
>>In that climate, looking for work in foreign countries has increasingly
>>become a matter of survival.
>>
>>“It’s no secret that the highest prices now go for the white women,” said
>>Marco Buffo, executive director of On the Road, an antitrafficking
>>organization in northern Italy. “They are the novelty item now. It used to
>>be Nigerians and Asians at the top of the market. Now it’s the Ukrainians.”
>>
>>Economics is not the only factor causing women to flee their homelands.
>>There is also social reality. For the first time, young women in Ukraine and
>>Russia have the right, the ability and the willpower to walk away from their
>>parents and their hometowns. Village life is disintegrating throughout much
>>of the former Soviet world, and youngsters are grabbing any chance they can
>>find to save themselves.
>>“After the wall fell down, the Ukrainian people tried to live in the new
>>circumstances,” said Ms. Shved. “It was very hard, and it gets no easier.
>>Girls now have few opportunities yet great freedom. They see ‘Pretty Woman,’
>>or a thousand movies and ads with the same point, that somebody who is rich
>>can save them. The glory and ease of wealth is almost the basic point of the
>>Western advertising that we see. Here the towns are dying. What jobs there
>>are go to men. So they leave.”
>>
>>First, however, they answer ads from employment agencies promising to find
>>them work in a foreign country. Here again, Russian crime gangs play a
>>central role. They often recruit people through seemingly innocuous “mail
>>order bride” meetings. Even when they do not, few such organizations can
>>operate without paying off one gang or another. Sometimes want ads are
>>almost honest, suggesting that the women can earn up to $1,000 a month as
>>“escorts” abroad. Often they are vague or blatantly untrue.
>>
>>Recruiting Methods: Ads Make Offers Too Good To Be True
>>
>>One typical ad used by traffickers in Kiev last year read: “Girls: Must be
>>single and very pretty. Young and tall. We invite you for work as models,
>>secretaries, dancers, choreographers, gymnasts. Housing is supplied. Foreign
>>posts available. Must apply in person.”
>>
>>One young woman who did, and made it back alive, described a harrowing
>>journey. “I met with these guys, and they asked if I would work at a strip
>>bar,” she said. “Why not, I thought. They said we would have to leave at
>>once. We went by car to the Slovak Republic where they grabbed my passport.
>>I think they got me new papers there, but threatened me if I spoke out. We
>>made it to Vienna, then to Turkey. I was kept in a bar and I was told I owed
>>$5,000 for my travel. I worked for three days, and on the fourth I was
>>arrested.”
>>
>>Lately, the ads have started to disappear from the main cities—where the
>>realities of such offers are known now. These days the appeals are made in
>>the provinces, where their success is undiminished.
>>
>>Most of the thousands of Ukrainian women who go abroad each year are illegal
>>immigrants who do not work in the sex business. Often they apply for a legal
>>visa—to dance, or work in a bar—and then stay after it expires.
>>
>>Many go to Turkey and Germany, where Russian crime groups are particularly
>>powerful. Israeli leaders say that Russian women—they tend to refer to all
>>women from the former Soviet Union as Russian—disappear off tour boats every
>>day. Officials in Italy estimate that at least 30,000 Ukrainian women are
>>employed illegally there now.
>>
>>Most are domestic workers, but a growing number are prostitutes, some of
>>them having been promised work as domestics only to find out their jobs were
>>a lie. Part of the problem became clear in a two-year study recently
>>concluded by the Washington-based nonprofit group Global Survival Network:
>>Police officials in many countries just don’t care.
>>
>>The network, after undercover interviews with gangsters, pimps and corrupt
>>officials, found that local police forces—often those best able to prevent
>>trafficking—are least interested in helping.
>>
>>Gillian Caldwell of Global Survival Network has been deeply involved in the
>>study. “In Tokyo,” she said, “a sympathetic senator arranged a meeting for
>>us with senior police officials to discuss the growing prevalence of
>>trafficking from Russia into Japan. The police insisted it wasn’t a problem,
>>and they didn’t even want the concrete information we could have provided.
>>That didn’t surprise local relief agencies, who cited instances in which
>>police had actually sold trafficked women back to the criminal networks
>>which had enslaved them.”
>>
>>Official Reactions: Best-Placed To Help, but Least Inclined
>>
>>Complacency among police agencies is not uncommon.
>>
>>“Women’s groups want to blow this all out of proportion,” said Gennadi
>>Lepenko, chief of Kiev’s branch of Interpol, the international police
>>agency. “Perhaps this was a problem a few years ago. But it’s under control
>>now.”
>>
>>That is not the view at Ukraine’s parliament—which is trying to pass new
>>laws to protect young women—or at the Interior Ministry.
>>“We have a very serious problem here, and we are simply not equipped to
>>solve it by ourselves,” said Mikhail Lebed, chief of criminal investigations
>>for the Ukrainian Interior Ministry. “It is a human tragedy, but also,
>>frankly, a national crisis. Gangsters make more from these women in a week
>>than we have in our law-enforcement budget for the whole year. To be honest,
>>unless we get some help we are not going to stop it.”
>>
>>But solutions will not be simple. Criminal gangs risk little by ferrying
>>women out of the country; indeed, many of the women go voluntarily. Laws are
>>vague, cooperation between countries rare and punishment of traffickers
>>almost nonexistent. Without work or much hope of a future at home, an eager
>>teen-ager will find it hard to believe that the promise of a job in Italy,
>>Turkey or Israel is almost certain to be worthless.
>>
>>“I answered an ad to be a waitress,” said Tamara, 19, a Ukrainian prostitute
>>in a massage parlor near Tel Aviv’s old Central Bus Station, a Russian-
>>language ghetto for the cheapest brothels. “I’m not sure I would go back now
>>if I could. What would I do there, stand on a bread line or work in a
>>factory for no wages?”
>>
>>Tamara, like all other such women interviewed for this article, asked that
>>her full name not be published. She has classic Slavic features, with long
>>blond hair and deep green eyes. She turned several potential customers away
>>so she could speak at length with a reporter. She was willing to talk as
>>long as her boss was out. She said she was not watched closely while she
>>remained within the garish confines of the “health club.”
>>
>>“I didn’t plan to do this,” she said, looking sourly at the rich red walls
>>and leopard prints around her. “They took my passport, so I don’t have much
>>choice. But they do give me money. And believe me, it’s better than anything
>>I could ever get at home.”
>>
>>Yitzhak Tyler, the chief of undercover activities for the Haifa police, is a
>>big, open-faced man who doesn’t mince words.
>>
>>“We got a hell of a problem on our hands,” he said. The port city of 200,000
>>has become the easiest entryway for women brought to Israel to work as
>>prostitutes—though by no means the only one. Sometimes they walk off tour
>>boats, but increasingly they come with forged documents that enable them to
>>live and work in Israel. These have often been bought or stolen from elderly
>>Jewish women in Russia or Ukraine.
>>
>>“This is a sophisticated, global operation,” Tyler said. “It’s evil, and it’
>>s successful because the money is so good. These men pay $500 to $1,000 for
>>a Ukrainian or Russian woman. Do you understand what I am telling you? They
>>will buy these women and make a fortune out of them.”
>>
>>To illustrate his point, Tyler grabbed a black calculator and started
>>calling out the sums as he punched them in.
>>“Take a small place,” he said, “with 10 girls. Each has 15 to 20 clients a
>>day. Multiply that by say 200 shekels. So say 30,000 shekels a day comes in
>>to each place. Each girl works 25 days a month. Minimum.”
>>
>>Tyler was busy doing math as he spoke. “So we are talking about 750,000
>>shekels a month, or about $215,000. A man often owns five of these places.
>>That’s a million dollars. No taxes, no real overhead. It’s a factory with
>>slave labor. And we’ve got them all over Israel.”
>>
>>The Tropicana, in Tel Aviv’s bustling business district, is one of the
>>busiest bordellos. The women who work there, like nearly all prostitutes in
>>Israel today, are Russian. Their boss, however, is not.
>>
>>“Israelis love Russian girls,” said Jacob Golan, who owns this and two other
>>clubs, and spoke willingly about the business he finds so “successful.”
>>“They are blonde and good-looking and different from us,” he said, chuckling
>>as he drew his hand over his black hair. “And they are desperate. They are
>>ready to do anything for money.”
>>
>>Always filled with half-naked Russian women, the club is open around the
>>clock. There is a schedule on the wall next to the receptionist—with each
>>woman’s hours listed in a different color, and the days and shifts rotating,
>>as at a restaurant or a bar. Next to the schedule a sign reads, “We don’t
>>accept checks.” Next to that there is a poster for a missing Israeli woman.
>>
>>There are 12 cubicles at the Tropicana where 20 women work in shifts, eight
>>during the daytime, 12 at night. Business is always booming, and not just
>>with foreign workers. Israeli soldiers, with rifles on their shoulders,
>>frequent the place, as do business executives and tourists.
>>Golan was asked if most women who work at the club do so voluntarily. He
>>laughed heartily.
>>
>>“I don’t get into that,” he said, staring vacantly across his club at four
>>Russian women sitting on a low couch. “They are brought here and told to
>>work. I don’t force them. I pay them. What goes on between them and the men
>>they are with, how could that be my problem?”
>>
>>Deterrent Strategies: A System that Fails Those Who Testify
>>
>>Every once in a while, usually with great fanfare and plenty of advance
>>notice, Golan gets raided. He pays a fine, and the women without good false
>>documents are taken to prison.
>>
>>If they are deported, the charges against them are dropped. But if a woman
>>wants to file a complaint, then she must remain in prison until a trial is
>>held. “In the past four years,” Betty Lahan, prison director of Neve Tirtsa
>>here, said, “I don’t know of a single case where a woman chose to testify.”
>>
>>Such punitive treatment of victims is the rule rather than the exception. In
>>Italy, where the police say killings of women forced into prostitution
>>average one a month, parliament tried to create a sort of witness protection
>>program. But it only allowed women to stay in the country for one year and
>>did nothing to hide their identities.
>>
>>“The deck is just so completely stacked against the women in all this,” said
>>Daniella Pompei, an immigration specialist with the community of Sant’
>>Egidio, the Catholic relief agency in Rome. “The police is the last place
>>these women want to go.” She said that only 20 women had ever used the
>>protection program.
>>
>>It is not clear who will stop the mob. On a trip to Ukraine late last year,
>>Hillary Rodham Clinton spoke out about the new slave trade that has
>>developed so rapidly there. The United States and the European Union have
>>plans to work together to educate young women about the dangers of working
>>abroad. Other initiatives, like stays of deportation for prisoners, victims’
>>shelters and counseling, have also been discussed.
>>
>>“I don’t care about any of that,” said Lena, a young Latvian, one of the
>>inmates waiting to be deported here. “I just want to know one thing. How
>>will I ever walk down the street like a human being again?”
>>
>>
>>
>>
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On Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:21:06 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sat, 02 May 1998 17:33:40 +0100, John S Moore
>
>>Doc Tavish wrote:
>>> http://weber.u.washington.edu/~newstdnt/fsem/win97fsem/fsem_8.html
>>> University of Washington
>>> Crimes Without Punishment: The Communist Holocaust
>>> ————————————————————————
>>> Dr. Nikolai Popov — Comparative Literature
>>> GEN ST 197 H (SLN: 3690) M 2:30-3:20 THO 231
>>> From 1917 on, the Soviet regime exterminated tens of millions of
>>> people. How can the numbing dimensions of that Holocaust be
>>> represented? This seminar will read testimonies and historical
>>> studies, fiction and poetry, grappling with history’s longest re ign
>>> of terror and its consequences today. With its broad humanistic appeal
>>> and through the topic of representation, this seminar will familiarize
>>> students with the concerns and methods of a range of disciplines, from
>>> literary studies and history to political science and international
>>> studies. Text(s): none
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/ad2kulak.html
>>> Hanging Order
>>> 11-8-18
>>> Send to Penza To Comrades Kuraev, Bosh, Minkin and other Penza
>>> communists
>>> Comrades! The revolt by the five kulak volost’s must be suppressed
>>> without mercy. The interest of the entire revolution demands this,
>>> because we have now before us our final decisive battle “with the
>>> kulaks.” We need to set an example.
>>> 1.You need to hang (hang without fail, so that the public sees) at
>>> least 100 notorious kulaks, the rich, and the bloodsuckers. 2.Publish
>>> their names. 3.Take away all of their grain. 4.Execute the hostages –
>>> in accordance with yesterday’s telegram.
>>> This needs to be accomplished in such a way, that people for hundreds
>>> of miles around will see, tremble, know and scream out: let’s choke
>>> and strangle those blood-sucking kulaks.
>>> Telegraph us acknowledging receipt and execution of this.
>>> Yours, Lenin
>>> P.S. Use your toughest people for this.
>>> ______________________
>>> TRANSLATOR’S COMMENTS: Lenin uses the derogative term kulach’e in
>>> reference to the class of prosperous peasants. A volost’ was a
>>> territorial/administrative unit consisting of a few villages and
>>> surrounding land.
>>> [not numbered]
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> This Library of Congress Soviet Archives exhibition is important for
>>> what it represents, what it contains, and what it suggests.
>>> MAIN PAGE
>>> http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/soviet.archive.html
>>> Here is a link within Sunsite:
>>> http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/jac.html
>>> You will see as an opener the following:
>>> “The Jewish Antifascist Committee (JAC) was formed in Kuibyshev in
>>> April 1942. Two Polish Jewish socialists, Henryk Erlich and Viktor
>>> Alter (both of whom were later secretly executed), may have proposed
>>> the idea to Lavrenti Beria, the head of the NKVD. The organization was
>>> meant to serve the interests of Soviet foreign policy and the Soviet
>>> military through media propaganda — as well as through personal
>>> contacts with Jews abroad, especially in Britain and the United
>>> States, designed to influence public opinion and enlist foreign
>>> support for the Soviet war effort.
>>> The chairman of the JAC was Solomon Mikhoels, a famous actor and
>>> director of the Moscow Yiddish State Theater. Shakne Epshtein, a
>>> Yiddish journalist, was the secretary and editor of the JAC’s
>>> newspaper, Einikait (Unity). Other prominent JAC members were the
>>> poet Itsik Feffer, a former member of the Bund (a Jewish socialist
>>> movement that existed from 1897 to 1921 and supported the Mensheviks
>>> [see below for more on the Bund]), the writer Il’ia Ehrenburg,
>>> General Aaron Katz of the Stalin Military Academy, and Boris
>>> Shimelovich, the chief surgeon of the Red Army, as well as some
>>> non-Jews from the arts, sciences, and the military.
>>> A year after its establishment, the JAC was moved to Moscow and
>>> became one of the most important centers of Jewish culture and
>>> Yiddish literature until the German invasion. The JAC broadcast
>>> pro-Soviet propaganda to foreign audiences several times a week,
>>> telling them of the absence of anti-Semitism and of the great
>>> anti-Nazi efforts being made by the Soviet military…..”
>>> ——————————————-
>>> The GULAG
>>> http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/gulag.html
>>> The Soviet system of forced labor camps was first established in 1919
>>> under the Cheka, but it was not until the early 1930s that the camp
>>> population reached significant numbers. By 1934 the GULAG, or Main
>>> Directorate for Corrective Labor Camps, then under the Cheka’s
>>> successor organization the NKVD, had several million inmates.
>>> Prisoners included murderers, thieves, and other common
>>> criminals–along with political and religious dissenters. The GULAG,
>>> whose camps were located mainly in remote regions of Siberia and the
>>> Far North, made significant contributions to the Soviet economy in the
>>> period of Joseph Stalin. GULAG prisoners constructed the White
>>> Sea-Baltic Canal, the Moscow-Volga Canal, the Baikal-Amur main
>>> railroad line, numerous hydroelectric stations, and strategic roads
>>> and industrial enterprises in remote regions. GULAG manpower was also
>>> used for much of the country’s lumbering and for the mining of coal,
>>> copper, and gold.
>>> Stalin constantly increased the number of projects assigned to the
>>> NKVD, which led to an increasing reliance on its labor. The GULAG also
>>> served as a source of workers for economic projects independent of the
>>> NKVD, which contracted its prisoners out to various economic
>>> enterprises.
>>> Conditions in the camps were extremely harsh. Prisoners received
>>> inadequate food rations and insufficient clothing, which made it
>>> difficult to endure the severe weatherand the long working hours;
>>> sometimes the inmates were physically abused by camp guards. As a
>>> result, the death rate from exhaustion and disease in the camps was
>>> high. After Stalin died in 1953, the GULAG population was reduced
>>> significantly, and conditions for inmates somewhat improved. Forced
>>> labor camps continued to exist, although on a small scale, into the
>>> Gorbachev period, and the government even opened some camps to
>>> scrutiny by journalists and human rights activists. With the advance
>>> of democratization, political prisoners and prisoners of conscience
>>> all but disappeared from the camps.
>>>
>>> The conditions of the Gulags:
>>> http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/d2presid.html
>>> To the Presidium of the Central Executive Committee of the All-Union
>>> Communist Party (Bolshevik)
>>> We appeal to you, asking you to pay a minimum of attention to our
>>> request.
>>> We are prisoners who are returning from the Solovetsky concentration
>>> camp because of our poor health. We went there full of energy and good
>>> health, and now we are returning as invalids, broken and crippled
>>> emotionally and physically. We are asking you to draw your attention
>>> to the arbitrary use of power and the violence that reign at the
>>> Solovetsky concentration camp in Kemi and in all sections of the
>>> concentration camp. It is difficult for a human being even to imagine
>>> such terror, tyranny, violence, and lawlessness. When we went there,
>>> we could not conceive of such a horror, and now we, crippled
>>> ourselves, together with several thousands who are still there, appeal
>>> to the ruling center of the Soviet state to curb the terror that
>>> reigns there. As though it weren’t enough that the Unified State
>>> Political Directorate [OGPU] without oversight and due process sends
>>> workers and peasants there who are by and large innocent (we are not
>>> talking about criminals who deserve to be punished), the former
>>> tsarist penal servitude system in comparison to Solovky had 99% more
>>> humanity, fairness, and legality. […]
>>> People die like flies, i.e., they die a slow and painful death; we
>>> repeat that all this torment and suffering is placed only on the
>>> shoulders of the proletariat without money, i.e., on workers who, we
>>> repeat, were unfortunate to find themselves in the period of hunger
>>> and destruction accompanying the events of the October Revolution, and
>>> who committed crimes only to save themselves and their families from
>>> death by starvation; they have already borne the punishment for these
>>> crimes, and the vast majority of them subsequently chose the path of
>>> honest labor. Now because of their past, for whose crime they have
>>> already paid, they are fired from their jobs. Yet, the main thing is
>>> that the entire weight of this scandalous abuse of power, brute
>>> violence, and lawlessness that reign at Solovky and other sections of
>>> the OGPU concentration camp is placed on the shoulders of workers and
>>> peasants; others, such as counterrevolutionaries, profiteers and so
>>> on, have full wallets and have set themselves up and live in clover in
>>> the Soviet State, while next to them, in the literal meaning of the
>>> word, the penniless proletariat dies from hunger, cold, and back-
>>> breaking 14-16 hour days under the tyranny and lawlessness of inmates
>>> who are the agents and collaborators of the State Political
>>> Directorate [GPU].
>>> If you complain or write anything (“Heaven forbid”), they will frame
>>> you for an attempted escape or for something else, and they will shoot
>>> you like a dog. They line us up naked and barefoot at 22 degrees below
>>> zero and keep us outside for up to an hour. It is difficult to
>>> describe all the chaos and terror that is going on in Kemi, Solovky,
>>> and the other sections of the concentrations camp. All annual
>>> inspections uncover a lot of abuses. But what they discover in
>>> comparison to what actually exists is only a part of the horror and
>>> abuse of power, which the inspection accidently uncovers. (One example
>>> is the following fact, one of a thousand, which is registered in GPU
>>> and for which the guilty have been punished: THEY FORCED THE INMATES
>>> TO EAT THEIR OWN FECES. “Comrades,” if we dare to use this phrase,
>>> verify that this is a fact from reality, about which, we repeat, OGPU
>>> has the official evidence, and judge for yourself the full extent of
>>> effrontery and humiliation in the supervision by those who want to
>>> make a career for themselves. […]
>>> We are sure and we hope that in the All-Union Communist Party there
>>> are people, as we have been told, who are humane and sympathetic; it
>>> is possible, that you might think that it is our imagination, but we
>>> swear to you all, by everything that is sacred to us, that this is
>>> only one small part of the nightmarish truth, because it makes no
>>> sense to make this up. We repeat, and will repeat 100 times, that yes,
>>> indeed there are some guilty people, but the majority suffer
>>> innocently, as is described above. The word law, according to the law
>>> of the GPU concentration camps, does not exist; what does exist is
>>> only the autocratic power of petty tyrants, i.e., collaborators,
>>> serving time, who have power over life and death. Everything described
>>> above is the truth and we, ourselves, who are close to the grave after
>>> 3 years in Solovky and Kemi and other sections, are asking you to
>>> improve the pathetic, tortured existence of those who are there who
>>> languish under the yoke of the OGPU’s tyranny, violence, and complete
>>> lawlessness….
>>> To this we subscribe: G. Zheleznov, Vinogradov, F. Belinskii.
>>> Dec. 14, 1926
>>> True copy
>>> ______________________
>>> TRANSLATOR’S COMMENTS: The letter is written in very poor Russian. For
>>> the sake of clarity, the translator corrected the grammar and
>>> substituted a few words.
>>> ——————————————————————————–
>>> More on Jewish Antifacist Committee:
>>> http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/m2antfac.html
>>> JEWISH ANTIFASCIST COMMITTEE IN THE USSR
>>> Moscow, ulitsa Kropotkina, 10, Telephone: G-6-71-00, G-6-47-07
>>> [letterhead also in Russian and Yiddish]
^^^^^
>>> 21 June 1946
>>> TO COMRADE M. A. SUSLOV, DIRECTOR OF THE SECTION FOR FOREIGN POLICY OF
>>> THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY
>>> Pursuant to the inquiry of Comrade Shumeiko, we are providing some
>>> information about the Jewish Antifascist Committee in the USSR and its
>>> activity.
>>> The Jewish Antifascist Committee in the USSR was formed soon after the
>>> first antifascist radio broadcast political rally of representatives
>>> of the Jewish people, which was held in Moscow in August 1941.
>>> The Committee consists of 70 members (a list of Committee members is
>>> attached), and its executive committee has 19 members (a list of
>>> executive committee members is attached).
>>> The working staff of the Committee consists of:
>>> 1.Secretary of the Committee, whose duties (following the death of
>>> Comrade Shakhno Epshtein) are carried out by the writer I. Fefer,
>>> member of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) [VKP(b)] since
>>> 1919. 2.Deputy Secretary of the Committee, Comrade S.M. Shpigel’glias,
>>> VKP(b) member since 1919 and formerly a party worker. 3.Senior
>>> editors: N. IA. Levin, VKP(b) member since 1944 and veteran of World
>>> War II; L. A. Goldberg, not a party member, former director of the
>>> publishing house Der Emes; editor S.O. Berman, VKP(b) member since
>>> 1940, veteran of World War II; and three translators and several
>>> technical workers.
>>> In the course of the last two years, representatives of a series of
>>> foreign Jewish antifascist organizations have visited the Committee:
>>> Deputy Chairman of the Jewish Antifascist Committee of Bulgaria, Mr.
>>> Zhak Vradzhali; one of the leaders of the Union of Jews of
>>> Czechoslovakia, Mr. Rozenberg; representatives of Jewish organizations
>>> of France, Poland, et al.
>>> Recently Mr. Ben Zion Goldberg (Waife), the son-in-law of Sholem
>>> Aleichem, visited the Soviet Union. He is a prominent public figure in
>>> the United States, a member of the executive committee of the
>>> Soviet-American Friendship Society (headed by Lamont), chairman of the
>>> Committee of Jewish Scientists, Writers, and Artists of the United
>>> States (Albert Einstein is president of the Committee), vice-president
>>> of Ambidjan, the All-American Society for Aid to Birobidzhan
>>> (president of Ambidzhan– Steffenson). Mr. Goldberg is also a major
>>> American journalist, a contributor to the newspapers Toronto Star,
>>> Saint Louis Dispatch, New York Post, and Today, and to the magazine
>>> New Republic. Mr. Goldberg stayed in the Soviet Union from January 11
>>> to June 8, excluding one month when he traveled to Finland, Sweden,
>>> and Denmark.
>>> During his stay in the Soviet Union, Mr. Goldberg was received in
>>> Moscow by M. I. Kalinin and S. A. Lozovskii; he attended all meetings
>>> of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union; and he had a series of
>>> meetings with Soviet writers (including a banquet at the Union of
>>> Writers), with representatives of the Soviet Jewish community (at the
>>> Jewish Antifascist Committee in the USSR headquarters), with leaders
>>> of the State Jewish Theater, with the chief rabbi of the Moscow Jewish
>>> congregation, Shliffer, and with leaders of the Red Cross, among
>>> others.
>>> Mr. Goldberg visited Riga, Tallin, Leningrad, Minsk, Vilnius, Kaunas,
>>> Kiev, Odessa, Lvov, Uzhgorod, Mukachevo, Brody, and Stalingrad. He was
>>> received by the leading workers and writers in the capitals of the
>>> union republics.
>>> During his stay in the Soviet Union, Mr. Goldberg dispatched via the
>>> Soviet Information Bureau 33 articles to the American, Canadian,
>>> English, Palestinian, Polish, and Yiddish press. The articles were
>>> extremely friendly toward the Soviet Union.
>>> Before his departure, Mr. Goldberg began to write a book in English
>>> entitled England, the Opponent of Peace, and a book in Yiddish
>>> entitled Jewish Culture in the Soviet Union.
>>> Recently the Committee has received a series of requests from
>>> prominent Jewish public figures from several countries seeking
>>> assistance in visiting the Soviet Union. Such requests were received
>>> from: N. Goldman, the chairman of the executive committee of the World
>>> Jewish Congress; Dr. Stephen Wise, chairman of the American Jewish
>>> Congress; Louis Levine, chairman of the Jewish Union for Soviet Aid
>>> under Russian War Relief; Mr. Raiskii, the editor-in-chief of the
>>> newspaper Presse Nouvelle in Paris; et al.
>>> The Jewish Antifascist Committee in the USSR has sent during its
>>> entire existence one delegation, composed of Comrades Mikhoels and
>>> Fefer, to the United States, England, Canada, and Mexico. This
>>> delegations’s trip report has been published in the book The Jewish
>>> People against Fascism (attached; see pp. 91- 129).
>>> [signed]
>>> Chairman of the Jewish Anfifascist Committee in the USSR: S. Mikhoels
>>> Member of the Executive Committee of the Jewish Antifascist Committee
>>> in the USSR: I. Fefer
>>> _____________________
>>> TRANSLATOR’S COMMENTS:
>>> [Stamps at upper right:] Removed from the register; to the dossier of
>>> [blank] sector; date: 9 Jan. 1947.
>>> [Secretariat OMI], Central Committee of the Communist Party No. 2074 1
>>> July 1946
>>> [Handwritten marginalia at left margin of p. 1:] To the archive
>>> [illegible notations and signature] The book stays. [signed] G.
>>> Shumeiko 25/1948
>>> ………………………………………………………………………………………
>>> All material above is from a Library of Congress Web Site as stated on
>>> its main page: Soviet Archives Exhibit
>>> Welcome to the Library of Congress’s Soviet Archives exhibit.
>>> ……………………………………………………………………………………….
>>> More on RED TERROR
>>> THE RED TERROR [Section of Article]
>>> http://www.hrc.wmin.ac.uk/guest/radical/ES-BOLSH.HTM#4
>>> The Red Terror was partly a reaction to the greater horrors of the
>>> anti-Bolshevik terror in which 23,000 Reds were killed in Finland and
>>> 100,000 Jews were murdered in the Ukraine. Nevertheless Lenin
>>> repeatedly advocated terror even before the attempt on his life in
>>> September 1918. For example during one anti-Bolshevik revolt he told
>>> the authorities to organise “mass terror, shoot and deport the
>>> hundreds of prostitutes who are making drunkards of the soldiers.”
>>> Such attitudes enabled the Cheka to acquire widespread powers with
>>> virtually no external controls. By the end of the war its head,
>>> Dzerzhinsky, was able to say that “the prisons are packed chiefly with
>>> workers and peasants instead of the bourgeoisie”, and one of his chief
>>> lieutenants, Latsis, wrote that: “there is no sphere of life exempt
>>> from Cheka coverage.” Lenin himself said that “during the war –
>>> anybody who placed his own interest above the common interests … was
>>> shot…. we could not emerge from the old society without resorting to
>>> compulsion as far as the backward section of the proletariat was
>>> concerned.”
>>> Estimates of the numbers executed include 50,000 and 140,000 and
>>> George Leggett lists many unsubstantiated accusations of torture.
>>> Victor Serge later claimed that “during the civil war there was
>>> perfect order behind the front itself…. There was nothing to prevent
>>> the functioning of regular courts.” But most of those killed never had
>>> a trial and one Cheka member recalled that “our Red detachments would
>>> ‘clean up’ villages exactly the way the Whites did. What was left of
>>> the inhabitants, old men, women, children, were machine-gunned for
>>> having given assistance to the enemy.” 30
>>> The Bolshevik leadership sometimes clearly encouraged brutality. For
>>> instance, as the Whites threatened Petrograd, Lenin asked Trotsky: “Is
>>> it impossible to mobilise another 2,000 Petrograd workers plus 10,000
>>> members of the bourgeoisie, set up cannons behind them, shoot a few
>>> hundred of them and obtain a real mass impact on Yudenich?” Trotsky
>>> thankfully disregarded this but the Bolsheviks did use terror against
>>> whole groups of people such as the Cossacks or the Tambov peasants.
>>> The Tambov rebellion of 1920-21 was extremely brutal and the Red Army
>>> crushed the uprising with the burning of villages and mass executions.
>>> One government order demanded that peasants should be shot simply for
>>> “giving shelter to members of a ‘bandit’s’ family”.
>>> The Terror encouraged many anarchists to join Nestor Makhno’s peasant
>>> movement in the Ukraine. This movement was much more popular than the
>>> Bolsheviks in some areas so the Red Army made three successful
>>> alliances with him against the Whites. In these areas only ‘working
>>> people’ could stand for soviet elections, not Bolsheviks or SRs, but
>>> there were no restrictions on their press provided they did not
>>> advocate an armed uprising. However in the summer of 1919 the
>>> Bolsheviks executed several of Makhno’s officers and tried to ban the
>>> Makhnovist peasant congresses. From then on the two sides fought
>>> fiercely whenever the White threat diminished. Both sides shot
>>> prisoners but Makhno’s army tended to restrict executions to those in
>>> authority whereas the Bolsheviks shot many rank-and-file Makhnovists.
>>> 31
>>> Notes used:
>>> 30 Farber, 117-19; LCW v35, 349; v30, 510; Leggett, 465, 198, 184,
>>> 328-33, 349; E.Poretsky, Our Own People, 214. In the first months
>>> repression was relatively mild and many prisons had education
>>> facilities. However concentration camps were set up from July 1918 and
>>> mortality reached 30% in those in the north. Leggett says they were
>>> sometimes cleared by mass executions. The death penalty was formally
>>> abolished in 1920 but it was evaded by the local chekas and revoked by
>>> the summer. M.Jakobson, The Origins of the Gulag, 37, 23-4, 40.
>>> 31 Farber, 123; Service, 43; M.Palij, The Anarchism of Nestor Makhno,
>>> 151-2, 175-7, 212-19; M.Malet, Nestor Makhno…, 32, 39, 100, 129,
>>> 136.
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Notice that the opening sentence declared the cause of the Red Terror.
>>> It said: “The Red Terror was partly a reaction to the greater horrors
>>> of the anti-Bolshevik terror in which 23,000 Reds were killed in
>>> Finland and 100,000 Jews were murdered in the Ukraine.”
>>> Anti-Bolsheviks killed 100,000 Jews. Were Bolsheviks Jews?
>>> Here are some extracts from numerous sources:
>>> “Whatever the racial antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet
>>> commissariats were largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in
>>> the Communist movement was well understood in Russia. The White Armies
>>> which opposed the Bolshevik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks as
>>> common enemies” (Univ. Jew Encyc., Vol. I, p. 336).
>>> Consider this:
>>> Among the Jews who remained in Russia, which then included Lithuania,
>>> Ukraine (A History of Ukraine, Michael Hrushevsky, Yale University
>>> Press, 1941, passim), and much of Poland, were the founders of the
>>> Russian Bolshevik party.
>>> In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland
>>> and Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large
>>> scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article
>>> on “Communism” by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp
>>> 824-827).
>>> ————————————-
>>> U.S. Gov’t Printing Office House Document 1868
>>> (65th Congress, 3d session- file# 861.00/8029):
>>> Report of the Netherland Minister Relating to the conditions in
>>> Petrograd.
>>> “Whole Soviet government has sunk to the level of a criminal
>>> organisation. Bolsheviks realise that their game is up and have
>>> entered into a career of criminal madness.”
>>> “I found it necessary to promise that Litvinov should be allowed to
>>> leave England at once…”
>>> “The foregoing report will indicate the extremely critical nature of
>>> the present situation. The danger is now so great that I feel it is my
>>> duty to call the attention of the British and all other Governments to
>>> the fact that if an end is not put to Bolshevism in Russia at once the
>>> civilisation of the whole world will be threatened….”
>>> “…the danger is also being realised in German and Austrian quarters.
>>> I consider that the immediate suppression of Bolshevism is the
>>> greatest issue now before the world, not even excluding the war which
>>> is still raging, and unless as above stated Bolshevism is nipped in
>>> the bud immediately it is bound to spread in one form or another over
>>> Europe and the whole world as it is organised and worked by Jews who
>>> have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own
>>> ends the existing order of things.”
>>> ————————————————–
>>> About Trotsky, who authorized the slaughter mentioned above:
>>> http://www.idbsu.edu/surveyrc/Staff/jaynes/marxism/bios/trotsky.htm
>>>
>>> Originally named Lev Davidovich Bronstein, Trotsky was born on
>>> November 7, 1879, in Kherson Province in Ukraine, the son of Russified
>>> Jews. He was educated in Odessa and in Mykolayiv and was a star pupil
>>> with enormous intellectual capabilities.
>>> Trotsky’s political involvement began in 1896 in a circle of Mykolayiv
>>> Populists, but he soon converted to Marxism. After a brief stay at
>>> Odessa University, he returned to Mykolayiv in 1897 to organize the
>>> Southern Russian Workers Union. For this he was arrested, jailed, and
>>> exiled. He escaped from Siberian exile in 1902, fleeing to Europe and
>>> adopting the pseudonym Trotsky. Abroad he joined Lenin, L. Martov,
>>> Georgy Plekhanov, and other Russian Social-Democrats, who were
>>> publishing Iskra (The Spark). By vitue of his flair for polemic
>>> writing and oratorical brilliance, he quickly rose in the party.
>>> At the party’s Second Congress in 1903 Trotsky opposed Lenin and the
>>> Bolsheviks, siding with the Mensheviks. His characteristic
>>> independence, however, kept him from cementing any organizational
>>> ties. Alone of the major party leaders, he rushed back to Russia to be
>>> an active participant in the 1905 Revolution, where he gained
>>> practical experience as chairman of the Saint Petersburg Soviet of
>>> Workers Deputies. Jailed in December 1905 and later exiled to Siberia,
>>> Trotsky used his time to reconsider the paradoxes of revolution in
>>> backward Russia. He synthesized his thoughts in two books, 1905 and
>>> Results and Prospects.
>>> Escaping from Siberia in 1907, Trotsky spent the next decade defending
>>> his ideas and engaging in émigré squabbling. The March Revolution of
>>> 1917 caught him by surprise in New York City, where he wrote for a
>>> Russian newspaper. Trotsky reached Russia in May, quickly assumed
>>> leadership of the independent left Social-Democratic Interdistrict
>>> Group, and joined the Petrograd (as St. Petersburg was renamed)
>>> Soviet. Within weeks, he had gained enormous popularity as the most
>>> eloquent agitator of the Soviet left. In July, after being courted by
>>> Lenin, he joined the Bolshevik party and was elected to its Central
>>> Committee.
>>> As a Bolshevik, Trotsky was elected chairman of the Soviet in
>>> September. He sided with Lenin on the need to overthrow the
>>> provisional government and devoted all his energies to marshaling
>>> support for the armed uprising of the Bolsheviks. With Lenin in
>>> hiding, Trotsky was the general in charge, and he successfully
>>> directed the masses of workers and soldiers in the November
>>> revolution……
>>> Visit the Official Doc Tavish Library at:
>>> http://www.crusader.net/texts/cng/doc
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Does your comment mean that you support the JEW murders of 25 million
Ukrainians??
No wonder the Ukrainians, and now even the people in Russia, want to
get rid of all these JEWS!!!
On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:10:08 -0800, Vlad Survenko
wrote:
>Let’s put it this way, Pinnocchio: the number of Jews who assisted the Russians in
>exterminating the Ukrainians was approximately one millionth of the number of
>Ukrainians who assisted the Nazis in exterminating the Jews.
>
>Vlad
>
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 03:16:26 -0800, [email protected] (“Expat
>> Authority”) wrote:
>>
>> >What are you trying to achieve by posting all these
>> >anti-Jewish messages? What is your purpose?
>>
>> >Jewish people in your country are local citizens.
>>
>> > There are bad people among them,
>> >*** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ***
>>
>> It seems that he must either be one of the foul jews, or similar??
>>
>> This story, documented by a well respected Jewish writer, was carried
>> in many other newspapers across Canada.
>>
>> The Zionist murderers are angry that it was written by a Jew, to tell
>> the TRUTH for a change!!!
>>
>> On 17 Dec 1998 08:05:54 GMT, “Koshercook”
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>>
>> >[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and
>> >Still Hide It From Us…]
>>
>> >Archived for Scholarly Study
>>
>> >From the Toronto Sun – December 13, 1998
>>
>> >By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor
>>
>> >As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of
>> >that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th
>> >anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists
>> >now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be reminded of the Unknown
>> >Holocaust.
>>
>> >In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin
>> >determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent farmers – called
>> >kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine’s
>> >growing spirit of nationalism.
>>
>> >Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
>> >dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow – earlier
>> >versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into
>> >collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of
>> >recalcitrant farmers.
>>
>> >When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU
>> >was ordered to begin mass executions.
>>
>> >But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many
>> >people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of
>> >death – mass starvation.
>>
>> >All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
>> >Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used
>> >the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine
>> >cased one million deaths.)
>>
>> >OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing
>> >came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel.
>> >Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>>
>> >When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar
>> >Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet
>> >Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of
>> >all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named
>> >Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.
>>
>> >During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch
>> >and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus
>> >bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.
>>
>> >The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s custom-made famine and
>> >Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB’s archives, and
>> >recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died.
>> >Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five
>> >percent of Ukraine’s population was exterminated. Millions of victims
>>
>> >Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
>> >collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million
>> >peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia,
>> >Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR;
>> >massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide
>> >accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war
>> >dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
>>
>> Note that this article is written by a well regarded Jewish writer in
>> Canada!!!
>>
>> >The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes
>> >and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and
>> >Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both
>> >communism and their suffering.
>>
>> > As a direct result, during the subsequent
>> >Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the
>> >target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>>
>> >While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s Jews by
>> >the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been
>> >suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler
>> >began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before
>> >the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or
>> >concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day.
>> >In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>> >Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM
>> >Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed
>> >reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not see one
>> >under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent Walter
>> >Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of
>> >famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million people were dying around
>> >them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated
>> >Duranty’s lies.
>>
>> >Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical
>> >roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime – the inevitable
>> >result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>>
>> >Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of
>> >Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian genocide and
>> >Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him as an ally
>> >during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,”
>> >murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.
>>
>> >None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought
>> >to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago,
>> >still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state
>> >pension.
>>
>> On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:47:21 -0800, [email protected] (“Expat
>> Authority”) wrote:
>> >I have read some anti-Jewish postings on this NG… I say: stop!
>> >You know, I think that it is unfair to stereotype! You are saying that all
>> >Jews are bad, bloodsuckers etc.
>> >Yes there are people like that among the Jewish community there.
>> >EA
>> >*** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ***
From [email protected] Tue Dec 29 16:59:41 EST 1998
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Perhaps you can give an example, accepted by a Court in Canada, of the
alleged hate crime??? Or, are you claiming that a recounting of
truthful history IN YOUR MIND constitutes such a crime in Canada??
Ernst Zundel, a well-known historian hasin fact successfully appealed
using the lawyer Doug Christie, so where is there such an actual Court
conviction???
On 28 Dec 1998 18:51:02 GMT, [email protected] (Ronald B.
Sorobey) wrote:
>Under the Canadian Criminal Code any pronted materials, broadcasts or
>messages in the public domain which incite hatred against specific group
>(eg. Ukrainians, Russians, Jews, Arabs, etc.) is a criminal offence. This
>based on a recent court decision also includes material in the net. The
>R.C.M.P. and local police are getting rather good in dealing with complaints.
>While people have under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the
>right to freedom of expression, there is an inherent responsibility to
>excercise such a right with the feelings and rights of others in mind.
>Ron Sorobey
>Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
From [email protected] Tue Dec 29 16:59:43 EST 1998
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On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:20:33 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>Ronald B. Sorobey wrote:
>> Under the Canadian Criminal Code any pronted materials, broadcasts or
>> messages in the public domain which incite hatred against specific group
>> (eg. Ukrainians, Russians, Jews, Arabs, etc.) is a criminal offence. This
>> based on a recent court decision also includes material in the net. The
>> R.C.M.P. and local police are getting rather good in dealing with complaints.
>> While people have under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the
>> right to freedom of expression, there is an inherent responsibility to
>> excercise such a right with the feelings and rights of others in mind.
>>
>> Ron Sorobey
>> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
> Thanks for responding.
>
> The information which you provided, and which we all should
> know, is not specific enough for practical purposes…
>
> The concepts of “inherent responsibility” and “feelings” are
> quite vague and may require some clarification.
>
> Without having to consult the R.C.M.P. or the local police on
> this issue, can you cite any published documents or
>accounts
> which summarize that recent court decision or refer to any
> ammendments to the Canadian Criminal Code following from the
> precedent?
>
> GHC
Perhaps Sorobey can give an example, accepted by a Court in Canada, of
the alleged hate crime??? Or, is Sorobey claiming that a recounting
of truthful history IN SOROBEY’S MIND constitutes such a crime in
Canada??
Ernst Zundel, a well-known historian has in fact successfully appealed
using the lawyer Doug Christie, so where is there such an actual Court
conviction???
It seems that the JEWS are trying to limit freedom of speech and
expression in Canada, as they did in the former Soviet Union!!!
From [email protected] Tue Dec 29 16:59:44 EST 1998
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Subject: Re: Why preoccupation with Jews in Ukraine?
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Perhaps the attached article will answer your question??
On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:05:56 -0500, “Gene”
>It seems to me that most of the threads and new messages to
>this news group are about Jews. Why? Is there nothing else
>in Ukraine to comment on? Are there no other issues to
>post?
>
>This is a rhetorical question and requires NO flames.
Surely the attached news story, written by a prominent Jewwriter, may
expolain some of the resentment by people in Ukraine regarding the
role of JEWS and the hated Soviet Secret Police which was established
by the JEW DZERZHINSKI.
When more than 25 million of a nation are murdered by the JEW-led
CHEKA/NKVD now called KGB, what did you expect?
On 14 Dec 1998 05:44:48, [email protected] wrote:
>Reply-To:
>From: “nikst”
>Subject: THE TORONTO SUN: Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:47:59 +0300
>THE TORONTO SUN, Sunday, December 13, 1998
>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>By ERIC MARGOLIS
>Contributing Foreign Editor
>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show
>trial of that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet,
>the 65th anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly
>ignored. Leftists now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be
>reminded of the Unknown Holocaust.
>
>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in
>Ukraine. Stalin determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent
>farmers – called kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to
>crush Ukraine’s growing spirit of nationalism.
>
> Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed
>terror and dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from
>Moscow
>- earlier versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian
>peasants into collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began
>selective executions of recalcitrant farmers.
>
>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number,
>OGPU was ordered to begin mass executions. But there were simply not
>enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many people, so Stalin
>decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of death – mass
>starvation.
>
>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were
>confiscated from Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator
>Mengistu Haile Mariam used the same method in the 1970s to force
>collectivization: the resulting famine cased one million deaths.)
>
>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail
>lines. Nothing came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and
>looted of food and fuel. Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger,
>cold and sickness.
>
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent
>henchman Lazar Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance.
>Kaganovitch, the Soviet Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000
>Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of all Ukrainian intellectuals were
>executed. A Ukrainian party member named Nikita Khruschchev helped
>supervise the slaughter.
>
>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created
>by Kaganovitch and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets,
>boots and belts, plus bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant
>children.
>
>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s
>custom-made famine and Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day.
>The KGB’s archives, and recent work by Russian historians, show at
>least seven million died. Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine
>million, or higher. Twenty-five percent of Ukraine’s population was
>exterminated.
>
>Millions of victims
>
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot
>during collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10
>million peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in
>Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in
>the USSR; massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial
>genocide accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20
>million war dead.
>
>Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were
>Jewish. The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the
>frightful crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine,
>the Baltic states and Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame
>the Jewish people for both communism and their suffering.
When even a Jew writer admits the truth, perhaps Christmas is near??
As a direct
>result, during the subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the
>region’s innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by
>Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>
>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of
>Europe’s Jews by the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger
>holocaust in Ukraine has been suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s
>genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler began the Jewish Holocaust,
>and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before the world’s gaze. But
>Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or concealed by a
>left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day. In the
>strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney
>Webb and PM Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33
>and proclaimed reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not
>see one under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent
>Walter Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting,
>wrote claims of famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million
>people were dying around them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New
>York Times has never repudiated Duranty’s lies.
>
>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological
>and historical roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime –
>the inevitable result of enforced social engineering and Marxist
>theology.
>
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the
>governments of Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the
>Ukrainian genocide and Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they
>eagerly welcomed him as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who
>Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,” murdered four times more people
>than Adolf Hitler.
>
>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were
>ever brought to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a
>few years ago, still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and
>enjoying a generous state pension.
>
>Eric can be reached by e-mail at: [email protected]
>
>Letters to the editor should be sent to: [email protected]
On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:37:04 GMT, “anthony husarewych”
>I am of Ukrainian Origin and embarresed with some of the smut on this news
>group.
>Gene
>> It seems to me that most of the threads and new messages to
>> this news group are about Jews. Why? Is there nothing else
>> in Ukraine to comment on? Are there no other issues to
>> post?
>>
>> This is a rhetorical question and requires NO flames.
From [email protected] Tue Dec 29 16:59:46 EST 1998
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On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 03:16:51 -0500, “Guy P. Major, Attorney at Law”
>Established Canadian Law Firm seeks reputable business/professional
>partner for the processing of Canadian immigration applications.
>Please reply in writing to:
This smells like another swindle by criminals trying to get more
criminals and other undesirables into Canada!!!
Legitimate, qualified individuals do not need to pay scammers to apply
to emigrate to canada.
Only those unsuited, and unqualified, need pay for the service, which
is available FREE at all Canada immigration offices!!!!
By the way, since when is the appellation “attorney at law” legal in
Canada??
From [email protected] Tue Dec 29 16:59:48 EST 1998
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Subject: Re: Canadian Criminal Code – interm_decision.html (0/1)
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Why did you fail to include the statutory definition of “promotion of
Hatred”?
Is there such a definition, or is each case considered on the merits
thereof?
By the way, Zundel has filed an appeal, per Doug Christie, so
conviction does not hold…
On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:34:25 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:51:48 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>Perhaps you can give an example, accepted by a Court in Canada, of the
>>alleged hate crime??? Or, are you claiming that a recounting of
>>truthful history IN YOUR MIND constitutes such a crime in Canada??
>>
>>Ernst Zundel, a well-known historian hasin fact successfully appealed
>>using the lawyer Doug Christie, so where is there such an actual Court
>>conviction???
>>
>
>Below are reproduced sections from Canadian Statutes relating to
>promotion of hate messages. Ernst Zundel was convicted by the Human
>Rights Tribunal (see attached copy of the Tribunal’s Decision) and as
>far as I know that decision has not yet been reversed on appeal.
>Zundel’s web site now operates from the U.S.
>
>George Primak
>
>
>CONSOLIDATED STATUTES OF CANADA
>Canadian Human Rights Act
>PART I PROSCRIBED DISCRIMINATION
>Discriminatory Practices
>
>
>Hate messages
>
>13. (1) It is a discriminatory practice for a person or a group of
>persons acting in concert to
>communicate telephonically or to cause to be so communicated,
>repeatedly, in whole or in part by
>means of the facilities of a telecommunication undertaking within the
>legislative authority of
>Parliament, any matter that is likely to expose a person or persons to
>hatred or contempt by reason
>of the fact that that person or those persons are identifiable on the
>basis of a prohibited ground of
>discrimination.
>
>Public incitement of hatred
>
>319. (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public
>place, incites hatred against any
>identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach
>of the peace is guilty of
>
>(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not
>exceeding two years; or
>
>(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.
>
>Wilful promotion of hatred
>
>(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private
>conversation, wilfully
>promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of
>
>(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not
>exceeding two years; or
>
>(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.
>
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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:39:08 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>>On 15 Jun 1998 14:08:53 GMT, [email protected]
>>wrote:
>>
>>The State of Israel will forever struggle on how to explain its
>>propaganda about the Nazi era, while at the same time applying
>>Nazi-like tactics to ethnically cleanse Palestine of its Moslem and
>>Christian natives.
>>
>>Its absurd for Israel to blackmail Switzerland for being truly neutral
>>in WWII, while publically and shamelessly committing crimes against
>>humanity in Palestine.
>>
>>During the short life of Israel, its been involved in Genocides,
>>Ethnic Cleansing, Random and Collective Punishment, Home Demolitions,
>>and many other grave crimes against mostly civilian population in
>>Palestine and Lebanon as tens of teethless UN Reselution and millions
>>of Palestinian refugees attest to.
>>
>>Its incomprehensible, un-Christian, and immoral for the US Government
>>to give billion$ to the Criminal State of Israel to
>>ethnically cleanse the Moslem and Christian natives from Palestine.
>>
>>In conclusion, Zionists seem to say that Nazi Germany was wrong not by
>>what they did, but whom they did it too!
>>
>>
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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:39:08 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>>On 15 Jun 1998 14:08:53 GMT, [email protected]
>>wrote:
>>
>>The State of Israel will forever struggle on how to explain its
>>propaganda about the Nazi era, while at the same time applying
>>Nazi-like tactics to ethnically cleanse Palestine of its Moslem and
>>Christian natives.
>>
>>Its absurd for Israel to blackmail Switzerland for being truly neutral
>>in WWII, while publically and shamelessly committing crimes against
>>humanity in Palestine.
>>
>>During the short life of Israel, its been involved in Genocides,
>>Ethnic Cleansing, Random and Collective Punishment, Home Demolitions,
>>and many other grave crimes against mostly civilian population in
>>Palestine and Lebanon as tens of teethless UN Reselution and millions
>>of Palestinian refugees attest to.
>>
>>Its incomprehensible, un-Christian, and immoral for the US Government
>>to give billion$ to the Criminal State of Israel to
>>ethnically cleanse the Moslem and Christian natives from Palestine.
>>
>>In conclusion, Zionists seem to say that Nazi Germany was wrong not by
>>what they did, but whom they did it too!
>>
>>
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On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:44:26 GMT, Stephen Jenuth
>In soc.culture.canada [email protected] wrote:
>: The full text follows:
>
>: On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:04:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>:>In a move sure to anger orthodox Jews, as well as normal humans, newspapers
>:>across Canada report that a Winnipeg synagogue will perform marriages
>:>of same sex persons.
>
>:>This, even though there is no law in Canada permitting this!!!
>
>While the marriage will not be recognised by civil law (unless the
>law is changed either by Parliament or by the Courts using the Charter),
>there is nothing that suggests that the action is illegal.
>
>As such the marriage will not be a marriage.
>
>:>Rabbi Michael Levenson of Temple Shalom admits that his actions are
>:>illegal.
>
>: If his actions are illegal, why don’t the authorities send him to
>: jail??
>
>For what. While performing a marriage when not permitted to, or doing
>it contrary to law is illegal under the Criminal Code;
ARE YOU NOT CONTRADICTING YOURSELF??
IF IT IS “ILLEGAL” AS YOU CLAIM, under the Criminal Code, why is the
Jew Rabbi not charged??
>these are clearly
>not marriages in the civil law sense. Thus there would be no offence.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Stephen Jenuth
>([email protected])
>
>Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments.
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>>
>>(…)
>>
>>………………………………………
>>
>>
>> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments.
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>>
>>(…)
>>
>>………………………………………
>>
>>
>> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
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On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:34:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>
>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>
>
>
>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand
>
>>
>>
>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>>
>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at. See the
>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>be.
>>
>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>>
>>”All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren’t
>>counted by any census – simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>anybody who couldn’t present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>million? We will never know.”
>>
>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>>
>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>most of them probably left and survived.
>>
>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>persons died–e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>>
>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>>
>
>sperati wrote:
>>
>> ———- Forwarded message ———-
>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>> From: stefan lemieszewski
>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>
>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>
>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>> titled “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.” If someone has access I would
>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>
>> —————————————————————————
>>
>> North Shore News
>> February 2, 1997
>>
>> Insights from abroad
>> Doug Collins
>>
>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>> served in Hiler’s forces as high ranking officers.
>>
>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>> about “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.”
>>
>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>> was Erhard Milch, who “masterminded German aircraft production and
>> transformed the Luftwaffe.” His father was Jewish.
>>
>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of “mixed Jewish race or
>> married to Jews.” They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>
>> Seventeen “Jews in Nazi uniform” were awarded the Knights Cross,
>> Germany’s highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>> more. The research is continuing.
>>
>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>> alive.
>>
>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>> father, “wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle.”
>>
>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>> whether they were “victims or perpetrators.”
>>
>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>
>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>> documents in the process.
>>
>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler’s Germany; also that no Jew
>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>
>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, “It makes
>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated.”
>>
>> He stated, too, that Rigg’s research would “inform both the argument
>> about Hitler’s role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans.”
>>
>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg’s research may be
>> used by “deniers.” But most “deniers” do not deny that large numbers of
>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>
>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>
>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>> was a Jew.
>>
>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>
>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>> one were seen as “mixed race” and were also denied full citizenship.
>>
>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>
>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of “Aryan descent.” Milch, sentenced to a
>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>
>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>
>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>> plotting against Hitler.
>>
>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>
>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>> wonder why?
>>
>> —The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>
>
>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>
>
>
>On 9 Sep 1998 23:34:21 GMT, [email protected] (SBobrow940) wrote:
>
>>I suggest that everybody get information from the research done by Biggs or
>>read The Daily Telegraph about Bigg’s findings.
>>Check it for yourself and draw conclusions.
>>Bigg’s writes about Mischlings – people of mixed desent (German/Jewish).
>>If you want to act intelligently read also the Nurenmberg laws, inacted in the
>>Reich in 1935.
>>Everything else “provided” here by Pawlikowski and the likes is a flat
>>falsehood.
>>Another lie that some try to spread here is a number of 300,000 Jews who,
>>according to the same liers, served in the Wehrmacht.. The total Jewish
>>population in the Reich in 1933 was 600,000. It was before the Kristallnacht
>>(1935) and increased emigration of the German Jews to Palestine.
>>Only Polish-Nazis or other Nazis can try to hype this “information”.
>>The same happened already with another hype about Zyklon-B.
>>
>>Slawomir Bobrowski
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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments.
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>>
>>(…)
>>
>>………………………………………
>>
>>
>> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments.
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>>
>>(…)
>>
>>………………………………………
>>
>>
>> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments.
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>>
>>(…)
>>
>>………………………………………
>>
>>
>> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
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Subject: Re: If JEWS in Hitler Army – So What??
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On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:34:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>
>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>
>
>
>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand
>
>>
>>
>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>>
>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at. See the
>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>be.
>>
>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>>
>>”All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren’t
>>counted by any census – simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>anybody who couldn’t present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>million? We will never know.”
>>
>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>>
>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>most of them probably left and survived.
>>
>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>persons died–e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>>
>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>>
>
>sperati wrote:
>>
>> ———- Forwarded message ———-
>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>> From: stefan lemieszewski
>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>
>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>
>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>> titled “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.” If someone has access I would
>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>
>> —————————————————————————
>>
>> North Shore News
>> February 2, 1997
>>
>> Insights from abroad
>> Doug Collins
>>
>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>> served in Hiler’s forces as high ranking officers.
>>
>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>> about “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.”
>>
>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>> was Erhard Milch, who “masterminded German aircraft production and
>> transformed the Luftwaffe.” His father was Jewish.
>>
>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of “mixed Jewish race or
>> married to Jews.” They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>
>> Seventeen “Jews in Nazi uniform” were awarded the Knights Cross,
>> Germany’s highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>> more. The research is continuing.
>>
>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>> alive.
>>
>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>> father, “wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle.”
>>
>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>> whether they were “victims or perpetrators.”
>>
>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>
>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>> documents in the process.
>>
>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler’s Germany; also that no Jew
>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>
>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, “It makes
>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated.”
>>
>> He stated, too, that Rigg’s research would “inform both the argument
>> about Hitler’s role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans.”
>>
>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg’s research may be
>> used by “deniers.” But most “deniers” do not deny that large numbers of
>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>
>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>
>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>> was a Jew.
>>
>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>
>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>> one were seen as “mixed race” and were also denied full citizenship.
>>
>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>
>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of “Aryan descent.” Milch, sentenced to a
>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>
>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>
>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>> plotting against Hitler.
>>
>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>
>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>> wonder why?
>>
>> —The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>
>
>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>
>
>
>On 9 Sep 1998 23:34:21 GMT, [email protected] (SBobrow940) wrote:
>
>>I suggest that everybody get information from the research done by Biggs or
>>read The Daily Telegraph about Bigg’s findings.
>>Check it for yourself and draw conclusions.
>>Bigg’s writes about Mischlings – people of mixed desent (German/Jewish).
>>If you want to act intelligently read also the Nurenmberg laws, inacted in the
>>Reich in 1935.
>>Everything else “provided” here by Pawlikowski and the likes is a flat
>>falsehood.
>>Another lie that some try to spread here is a number of 300,000 Jews who,
>>according to the same liers, served in the Wehrmacht.. The total Jewish
>>population in the Reich in 1933 was 600,000. It was before the Kristallnacht
>>(1935) and increased emigration of the German Jews to Palestine.
>>Only Polish-Nazis or other Nazis can try to hype this “information”.
>>The same happened already with another hype about Zyklon-B.
>>
>>Slawomir Bobrowski
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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments.
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>>
>>(…)
>>
>>………………………………………
>>
>>
>> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Nazi — Jewish Zionist Collaboration
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On Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:53:55 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:45:47 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On 3 Jul 1998 06:38:05 GMT,
>>>>Orest Slepokura
>>>>>…fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
>>>>> Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews…
>>>Here is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.
>>>The Kastner Case
>>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>>>involving a Jew – Rudolf Kastner.
>>>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
>>>are
>>>generally under the impression that there is some ‘controversy’ about
>>>negotiations he undertook for ‘the purchase of Jewish lives for money
>>>and
>>>military equipment’, but that he was ‘fully rehabilitated’ by the
>>>Supreme
>>>Court of Israel.
>>>
>>> The Accusations
>>>
>>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>>
>>>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>>>Medical
>>>Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz. In his
>>>memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>I am a Jew. In spite of that – indeed because of that – I accuse
>>>certain
>>>Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>>
>>>This group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>>>Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
>>>silence.
>>>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
>>>Jews
>>>in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz – the
>>>number is
>>>still on my arm – I compiled careful statistics of the exterminations.
>>>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
>>>was
>>>able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
>>>Eichmann
>>>planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers…Kastner
>>>went
>>>to Eichmann and told him, ‘I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>>>choice and I shall keep quiet.’
>>>
>>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>>>took
>>>him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>>>bargaining
>>>end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
>>>little
>>>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany
>>>collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine…(Ben Hecht, Perfidy,
>>>pp261-2)
>>>
>>>These accusations are confirmed by the ‘Eichmann Confessions’
>>>published in
>>>Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>>
>>>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>>>stands
>>>100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation, I
>>>wanted
>>>to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere…In obedience to
>>>Himmler’s directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>>political officials in Budapest…Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner
>>>was a
>>>young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He
>>>agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation – and even
>>>keep
>>>order in the collection camps – if I could close my eyes and let a few
>>>hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>>>It
>>>was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was not
>>>too
>>>high for me.
>>>
>>>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>>>smoke
>>>one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case and
>>>lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>>>he
>>>would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>>
>>>Dr. Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>>>of
>>>Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel…
>>>
>>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>>>thousand
>>>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal ‘You
>>>can
>>>have the others’, he would say, ‘but let me have this group here’. And
>>>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the
>>>deportation
>>>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews…That was the
>>>’gentleman’s agreement’ I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>>
>>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to ‘the purchase
>>>of
>>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment’.
>>>
>>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>>
>>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>>>than
>>>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent
>>>Zionist
>>>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>> The Verdict
>>>
>>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>>>panel
>>>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel’s District Court of
>>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>>>The
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>>>studied
>>>carefully.
>>>
>>>The masses of Jews from Hungary’s ghettos obediently boarded the
>>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>>>confidence
>>>in the false information that they were being transferred to
>>>Kenyermeze.
>>>
>>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>>>they
>>>not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>>
>>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>>>others
>>>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the
>>>Jews.
>>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>>>of
>>>Jewish leaders.
>>>
>>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>>>leaders
>>>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>>>spreading
>>>such false information and did not protest.
>>>
>>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local ‘rescue work’.
>>>
>>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>>>hampering
>>>the deportation orders.
>>>
>>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>>>dozen
>>>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower
>>>these few
>>>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>>>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>>
>>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>>>Jews in
>>>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>>
>>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>>>their
>>>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders
>>>who
>>>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>>>deportations…these
>>>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride
>>>to
>>>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>>
>>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>>>extermination
>>>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in
>>>Budapest
>>>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this
>>>as a
>>>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured,
>>>dependent on
>>>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its
>>>fatal
>>>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the
>>>Jewish
>>>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the
>>>catastrophe.
>>>
>>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>>>Jewry
>>>and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>>
>>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>>>task
>>>easier.
>>>
>>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>>
>>>chiefs.
>>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>>underground.
>>>
>>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>>>Nazis
>>>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S.
>>>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>>>Rescue
>>>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>>
>>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>>>these
>>>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the
>>>extermination plan of the killers ?
>>>
>>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner’s Rescue
>>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>>>friends
>>>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary – their total
>>>annihilation.
>>>
>>>The Nazi’s patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>>>six
>>>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>>>to him
>>>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a
>>>great
>>>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that
>>>would
>>>also justify his conduct – his political negotiation with Nazis and
>>>the
>>>Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>>
>>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>>>soul to
>>>the German Satan.
>>>
>>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>>>order
>>>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>>>between
>>>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation
>>>into
>>>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis
>>>promised
>>>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian
>>>Jews
>>>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative
>>>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that
>>>Kastner
>>>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp
>>>and
>>>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents
>>>and
>>>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out
>>>from
>>>the book of the living.
>>>
>>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner’s collaboration and
>>>put
>>>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not
>>>only
>>>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>>
>>>All of Kastner’s answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>>>to
>>>evade this truth.
>>>
>>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>>>wall
>>>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly
>>>to
>>>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53;
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem,
>>>June 22,
>>>1955).
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>>>’new
>>>line’ of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>>
>>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the ‘new line’
>>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>>
>>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>>’rescue’ work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>>>of
>>>Kastner’s involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>>criminals.
>>>
>>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>>>Kastner
>>>also needed an alibi for himself.
>>>
>>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>>>Kastner’s
>>>duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the S.S.
>>>
>>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>>>the
>>>Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>>
>>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>>>were
>>>coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler”.
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>>
>>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>>>when
>>>he denied he had interceded in Becher’s behalf. Moreover, he concealed
>>>the
>>>important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>>
>>>As to the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, it was enough for the
>>>defense to
>>>provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to
>>>remove
>>>Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>>
>>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>>criminal.
>>>
>>>The lies in the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, the lies in his
>>>testimony
>>>concerning the document, and Kastner’s knowing participation in the
>>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last
>>>minute
>>>fake rescue activities – all these combine to show one overwhelming
>>>truth –
>>>that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>>
>>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>>>stood up
>>>against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has declared in
>>>the
>>>affidavit.
>>>
>>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>>>but to
>>>serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth and no
>>>good
>>>faith in Kastner’s testimony, ‘I never doubted for one moment the good
>>>intention of good Becher’.
>>>
>>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>>>his
>>>own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>>>World
>>>Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>>>exaggerate
>>>when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because of his
>>>personal
>>>intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the
>>>contradictions
>>>and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were sufficient to
>>>annul the value of his statements and to prove that there was no good
>>>faith
>>>in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal. Kastner’s
>>>affidavit
>>>in favor of Becher was a wilfully false affidavit given in favor of a
>>>war
>>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>>
>>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>>>his
>>>statements.”
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi’s verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>>>libel
>>>against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproved
>>>accusation – that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>>>ordered
>>>the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli pounds
>>>as
>>>court costs.
>>>
>>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>>>pointed to
>>>much more than that.
>>>
>>>But the story does not end there.
>>>
>>>The Reaction
>>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha’am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>>
>>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>>>know now
>>>clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder” (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>>Government of Israel.
>>>
>>>As the evening paper *Yedi’ot Aharonot* said:
>>>
>>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>>political and national collapse – as a result of what such a trial may
>>>disclose.” (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>>>instead
>>>it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal
>>>libel.
>>>
>>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>>>government
>>>announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed – an appeal filed.
>>>What
>>>exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>>>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>>>appeal on
>>>a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>>
>>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>>>of
>>>Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>>>was
>>>defending Kastner so strongly:
>>>
>>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>>>National
>>>Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here
>>>in
>>>this court to defend the representative of our national institutions.”
>>>(Hecht, p. 268)
>>>
>>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner’s collaboration
>>>was
>>>not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>>leadership.
>>>
>>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>>>But
>>>the story gets worse.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>>>
>>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>>>the
>>>name
>>>of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point
>>>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not ‘fully
>>>rehabilitated’.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>>>court –
>>>that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>>>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>>>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being ‘fully
>>>rehabilitated’.
>>>
>>>
>>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>>>these
>>>facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two,
>>>found
>>>that Kastner’s actions were morally justifiable and convicted
>>>Greenwald of
>>>criminal libel for calling this ‘collaboration’.
>>>
>>>Kastner’s actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>>>the
>>>defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that
>>>prove
>>>conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>>
>>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>>>Kastner.
>>>They joined him.
>>>
>>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>>Chesin:
>>>
>>>….What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>>>Kluj,
>>>people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the
>>>end of
>>>their journey…Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying, ‘The
>>>Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree’. This
>>>vivid
>>>description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>>>Hungarian Jews, ‘This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without
>>>any
>>>ideological Jewish backbone’ (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in
>>>Budapest,
>>>protocol 465).
>>>
>>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, ‘The
>>>Jews
>>>of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>>>neither
>>>physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>>>against the deportation scheme’…From this point of view no rescue
>>>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to
>>>the
>>>Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on can
>>>properly
>>>conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>>
>>>….And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>>>when
>>>he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result
>>>from
>>>his great despair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community.
>>>Even
>>>then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration and
>>>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>>>Kastner’s efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale…And
>>>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and
>>>say
>>>that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>>>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few
>>>Jews
>>>from Hell – this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>>>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their
>>>plan to
>>>exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>>
>>>Even if, through these activities of his – or rather, his omission –
>>>the
>>>extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question
>>>is not
>>>whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>>>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>>>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting
>>>its
>>>doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of
>>>his
>>>efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he
>>>disclose
>>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>>>everybody
>>>will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the
>>>blood of
>>>the few bring if everybody is to perish?…As I said, I am not arguing
>>>with
>>>the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish
>>>District
>>>Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that
>>>his
>>>findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived
>>>at.
>>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>>>extermination
>>>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both
>>>from a
>>>moral and public point of view…
>>>
>>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>>>who
>>>boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination,
>>>one
>>>has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and
>>>Marton,
>>>and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an
>>>hour of
>>>crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not
>>>warn
>>>and did not cry out of the coming danger….
>>>
>>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>>>Court
>>>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>>>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in
>>>Hungary
>>>during the last war.” (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>>
>>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner’s contempt for the
>>>Hungarian
>>>Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what
>>>many
>>>other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did – concealing their
>>>knowledge of
>>>the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>>>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist ‘leaders’ boarded a different
>>>train for Palestine.
>>>
>>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>>>
>>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>>>Silberg:
>>>
>>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>>>the
>>>leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have
>>>a
>>>clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing
>>>here
>>>with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>>>guilt of others….
>>>
>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>>>an
>>>opinion….’Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray
>>>of
>>>hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>>>result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret of the
>>>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the
>>>few –
>>>therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of
>>>collaborating
>>>with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews, even
>>>though, in
>>>fact, he brought about its result.’
>>>
>>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>>>such
>>>an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>>>cooperation
>>>with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and without the
>>>knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the
>>>decisive
>>>consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from the
>>>testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of
>>>the
>>>Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been
>>>able
>>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>>>concealment of
>>>children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money, bribery,
>>>etc. –
>>>and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds of
>>>thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete
>>>certainty
>>>and with an extreme ‘no’ the efficiency of all the many and varied
>>>rescue
>>>ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does
>>>he
>>>decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation
>>>of the
>>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>>>as
>>>his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to
>>>a
>>>claim of such good faith…
>>>
>>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>>>die
>>>so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will
>>>come
>>>out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an
>>>individual
>>>erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other
>>>patients. He
>>>is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>>
>>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>>>complete
>>>loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue
>>>operation
>>>could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>>
>>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>>>was
>>>put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>>>Kastner
>>>himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make
>>>this
>>>claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report
>>>to the
>>>Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in
>>>the
>>>countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>>>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue,
>>>and
>>>the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>>>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed
>>>the
>>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>>>resisting
>>>the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and
>>>activity.
>>>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing…
>>>
>>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>>
>>>A. That the Nazis didn’t want to have a great revolt – nor small
>>>revolts,
>>>and their passion was to have the extermination machine working
>>>smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner from
>>>the best source – from Eichmann himself – And he had additional proofs
>>>of
>>>that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics
>>>which
>>>were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>>>
>>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with – or
>>>the
>>>escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>>>murder.
>>>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
>>>evidence for this.
>>>
>>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>>>of
>>>the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>>
>>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner…He who is capable of
>>>rescuing
>>>this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great war
>>>criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his eyes…I couldn’t
>>>base
>>>the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it
>>>is
>>>attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws
>>>retroactive
>>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>>conclusion.”(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>>
>>>
>>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>>>their
>>>attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have
>>>been
>>>under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate
>>>collaboration
>>>with the Nazis.
>>>
>>>But Judge Silberg’s judgement was that of a minority.
>>>
>>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>>
>>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>>>with
>>>the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>>
>>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>>>gave
>>>on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to
>>>remain
>>>a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with
>>>an
>>>estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>>
>>>Becher has even used his certification as a ‘good’ SS officer to give
>>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>>>West
>>>Germany.
>>>
>>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>>>the
>>>Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>>>pressure
>>>that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for fear of
>>>what
>>>might come out.
>>>
>>>Likewise, none of Kastner’s associates on the Zionist Relief and
>>>Rescue
>>>Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on
>>>trial .
>>>Let alone the hundreds of ‘prominents’ who helped Kastner to reassure
>>>the
>>>Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz,
>>>in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them eventually to
>>>Palestine.
>>>
>>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>>>was
>>>approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership
>>>in
>>>Palestine. He is ‘now dead’. Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March
>>>1957
>>>he was shot by Zeev Eckstein – immediately after the appeal hearings
>>>were
>>>concluded, and before the judgement ‘rehabilitating’ him was
>>>delivered.
>>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>>>of the
>>>Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another ‘fantastic
>>>allegation’ no doubt; but admitted in court during the murder trial).
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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:39:08 GMT, [email protected]
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>>On 15 Jun 1998 14:08:53 GMT, [email protected]
>>wrote:
>>
>>The State of Israel will forever struggle on how to explain its
>>propaganda about the Nazi era, while at the same time applying
>>Nazi-like tactics to ethnically cleanse Palestine of its Moslem and
>>Christian natives.
>>
>>Its absurd for Israel to blackmail Switzerland for being truly neutral
>>in WWII, while publically and shamelessly committing crimes against
>>humanity in Palestine.
>>
>>During the short life of Israel, its been involved in Genocides,
>>Ethnic Cleansing, Random and Collective Punishment, Home Demolitions,
>>and many other grave crimes against mostly civilian population in
>>Palestine and Lebanon as tens of teethless UN Reselution and millions
>>of Palestinian refugees attest to.
>>
>>Its incomprehensible, un-Christian, and immoral for the US Government
>>to give billion$ to the Criminal State of Israel to
>>ethnically cleanse the Moslem and Christian natives from Palestine.
>>
>>In conclusion, Zionists seem to say that Nazi Germany was wrong not by
>>what they did, but whom they did it too!
>>
>>
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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach
>wrote:
>
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>>
>> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world’s sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>>
>> NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON’T ADD UP
>>
>> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted “to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine.”
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>> With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust “survivors” had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real “bible”, The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>> The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death “in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as “gospel truth”.
>> It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>”extermination camp”.
>>
>> HIMMLER-“REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”
>>
>> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that “The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” (Source,
>>Reitlinger’s book, “The Final Solution.”)
>> The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler’s
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, “Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates.” (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the “shockingly high mortality figures.” (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”
>> With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>”Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals”. It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>> THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, “Books and Bookmen”, April 1975, page 5,
>>”No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.”
>> The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>> This brings up the following questions.
>> 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>> 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>> 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>> 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, “The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them.” (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>> FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>> Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such “confessions” are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the “Confession’ and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>> Hoess statement read, “half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking.”
>> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not “ventable”. The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber “eating and smoking” – without
>>gas masks – only minutes after the gassing – IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>> GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, “The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann” pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>”became immediately gaseous.”
>> The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: “We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air.”
>>
>> CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), “We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped.” If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>> THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT’S ALL! In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18′ doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>> A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer’s book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich.” It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company’s ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>> “The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning.”
>> WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people – this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>> It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was “taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!”
>>
>> WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. “It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps.”
>> Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: “I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.”
>> Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>”The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie – the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time.”
>> Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. “The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.”
>>
>> WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, “Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists.”
>> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, “The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews.”
>> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: “The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews.”
>> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being “anti-Semitic” and “insensitive” to holocaust
>>victims.
>> The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>> A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>> The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don’t use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>> HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.
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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments.
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>>
>>(…)
>>
>>………………………………………
>>
>>
>> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments.
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>>
>>(…)
>>
>>………………………………………
>>
>>
>> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
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On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:34:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>
>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>
>
>
>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand
>
>>
>>
>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>>
>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at. See the
>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>be.
>>
>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>>
>>”All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren’t
>>counted by any census – simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>anybody who couldn’t present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>million? We will never know.”
>>
>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>>
>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>most of them probably left and survived.
>>
>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>persons died–e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>>
>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>>
>
>sperati wrote:
>>
>> ———- Forwarded message ———-
>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>> From: stefan lemieszewski
>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>
>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>
>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>> titled “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.” If someone has access I would
>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>
>> —————————————————————————
>>
>> North Shore News
>> February 2, 1997
>>
>> Insights from abroad
>> Doug Collins
>>
>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>> served in Hiler’s forces as high ranking officers.
>>
>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>> about “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.”
>>
>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>> was Erhard Milch, who “masterminded German aircraft production and
>> transformed the Luftwaffe.” His father was Jewish.
>>
>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of “mixed Jewish race or
>> married to Jews.” They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>
>> Seventeen “Jews in Nazi uniform” were awarded the Knights Cross,
>> Germany’s highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>> more. The research is continuing.
>>
>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>> alive.
>>
>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>> father, “wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle.”
>>
>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>> whether they were “victims or perpetrators.”
>>
>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>
>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>> documents in the process.
>>
>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler’s Germany; also that no Jew
>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>
>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, “It makes
>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated.”
>>
>> He stated, too, that Rigg’s research would “inform both the argument
>> about Hitler’s role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans.”
>>
>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg’s research may be
>> used by “deniers.” But most “deniers” do not deny that large numbers of
>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>
>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>
>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>> was a Jew.
>>
>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>
>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>> one were seen as “mixed race” and were also denied full citizenship.
>>
>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>
>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of “Aryan descent.” Milch, sentenced to a
>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>
>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>
>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>> plotting against Hitler.
>>
>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>
>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>> wonder why?
>>
>> —The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>
>
>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>
>
>
>On 9 Sep 1998 23:34:21 GMT, [email protected] (SBobrow940) wrote:
>
>>I suggest that everybody get information from the research done by Biggs or
>>read The Daily Telegraph about Bigg’s findings.
>>Check it for yourself and draw conclusions.
>>Bigg’s writes about Mischlings – people of mixed desent (German/Jewish).
>>If you want to act intelligently read also the Nurenmberg laws, inacted in the
>>Reich in 1935.
>>Everything else “provided” here by Pawlikowski and the likes is a flat
>>falsehood.
>>Another lie that some try to spread here is a number of 300,000 Jews who,
>>according to the same liers, served in the Wehrmacht.. The total Jewish
>>population in the Reich in 1933 was 600,000. It was before the Kristallnacht
>>(1935) and increased emigration of the German Jews to Palestine.
>>Only Polish-Nazis or other Nazis can try to hype this “information”.
>>The same happened already with another hype about Zyklon-B.
>>
>>Slawomir Bobrowski
From [email protected] Wed Dec 30 23:23:09 EST 1998
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Subject: How many Polish murdered by JEWS/KGB at Katin’?
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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments.
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>>
>>(…)
>>
>>………………………………………
>>
>>
>> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
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Subject: Jewpolice zyd. Ordnungdienst-JEWS HELPED NAZIS!!!
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On Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:39:18 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:44:20 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>Another significant article that merits discussion!!!
>>>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:15:13 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>>>
>
>>>>dddddddddd
>>>>below, Hermie’s cyberthrash
>>>>————-
>>>>md
>
>>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>>> PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> More Pawlikowski apologies for Nazi behavior!
>>>>> > ============
>>>>> > Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>>>>> > Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>>>>> > the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>>>>> > occupation of Poland. The only reason for this question at this time
>>>>> > seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered. Provacatively, Dr.
>>>>> > Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>>>>> > draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>>>>> > after the war? Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>>>>> > why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres.
>>>>> > Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>>>>> > hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>>>>> > grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk). He admitted
>>>>> > that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem. However,
>>>>> > young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>>>>> > afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>>>>> > find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>>>>> > presently in Lithuania.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>>>>> > occupation was dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>>>>> > were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei.
>>>>> > They were ususally not armed,
>>>>>
>>>>> Pawlikowski will have you believe that the German occupation police in
>>>>> Minsk were unarmed!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> > and when armed never given more than five
>>>>> > bullets for their long rifles. Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>>>>> > (as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>>>>> > each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>>>>> > the genocide.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hardly truth to Pawlikowski’s story too.
>>>>>
>>>>> > On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>>>>> > service was completely voluntary. It was called Ordnungdienst. Their
>>>>> > emblem was a light alloy Star of David. The social background of these
>>>>> > Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>>>>> > post-graduate degrees, 60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>>>>> > education. These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>>>>> > Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>>>>> > of his book. In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>>>>> > journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>>>>> > from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>>>>> > closed.
>>>>>
>>>>> The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>>>>> longer or die now!
>>>>>
>>>>> Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>>>>> ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next “relocation”!
>>>>> > While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>>>>> > intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>>>>> > description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>>>>> > Lodz. German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>>>>> > Wisenthal Museum in LA. Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>>>>> > three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>>>>> > Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>>>>> > the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ————-
>>>>> > Jozef Pawlikowski
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>>>>> > graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki. We found
>>>>> > ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>>>>> > dozens of other places. Why you shrink from searching for your
>>>>> > ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>>>>> >
>>>>> Does there any normal healthy human being want to see the corpses of
>>>>> your loved ones excavated? Maybe Pawlikowski would enjoy watching the
>>>>> bones of his or her mother exhumed to count the bones as they demand of
>>>>> other people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Herman
>>>>> > ————
From [email protected] Wed Dec 30 23:23:10 EST 1998
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Russian Jews stealing Babies
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:56:26 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 11:04:59 -0500, “Shabati..Zvi Äbuishneineh”
>
>>[email protected], new wrote:
>>> Investigators reportedly have opened several graves of Yemenite Jewish
>>> babies and found them to be empty – a discovery that might support
>>> claims that Yemenite children were taken from their parents for adoption
>>> decades ago.
>>>
>>> For years, Yemenite activists have claimed hundreds of babies declared
>>> dead were actually given to adoptive parents of European descent. If the
>>> claims are true, it could further sour relations between Middle Eastern
>>> and European Jews in Israel.
>>>
>>> The four graves at Tel Aviv’s Givat Shaul cemetery were opened last
>>> Wednesday as part of an official investigation, with a rabbi and family
>>> members present.
>>>
>>> Wooden signs over the empty graves bore the names Ruthie Babu, Ruthie
>>> Cohen, Reuven Rafaelo and Moshe Mishraki, Israel TV reported Saturday.
>>> All were hospitalized when only a few months old. Their parents never
>>> saw them again, nor did they see a body or a death certificate.
>>>
>>> “Now there is no doubt that this was an affair of planned fraud in
>>> which funerals were staged and evidence was falsified,” said Ora
>>> Shifris, a spokesman for the Yemenite families.
>>>
>>> Hundreds of children disappeared during the mass immigration of Yemenite
>>> Jews in the early 1950s, when the immigrants were housed in tent camps.
>>> Camp officials and medical staff denied any wrongdoing, saying there was
>>> chaos in the camps, where many babies were sickly and died.
>>>
>>> Two other commissions have investigated the affair, but many families
>>> dismissed their inconclusive findings.
>>>
>>> In 1994, radical Yemenite activist Uzi Meshulam and a group of armed
>>> followers barricaded themselves in a house in Tel Aviv for six weeks to
>>> press demands for a new inquiry. One of the followers was killed in a
>>> shootout with police, and Meshulam is serving a 6 1/2-year prison term.
>>> But the confrontation created a furor that led to the current
>>> commission, which has subpoena powers.
>>>
>>> Israel’s 4.7 million Jews are roughly evenly divided between those of
>>> Middle Eastern and European descent, but the latter have always been
>>> dominant economically and socially.
>>
>>
>>Mr. Jafar.
>>1. The number of children exceeded the thousands, not hundreds.
>>2. Most of the low Paige and menial jobs are given to Arab Jews.
>>3. For economic reasons, most of the prostitutes in Israel are underage
>>Yemenites (and now Russian) Jewish little girls.
>>4. Rejecting the blood of the African Jews (the Falasha) is just on of
>>the facet of the fascist Zionist life. The Falasha Jews are prohibited
>>from performing marriages and funeral. Only Aryan Jews are allowed to do
>>that besides some Arab Jews who had to (convert) to Judaism, the Aryan
>>style.
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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:58:01 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 11:04:59 -0500, “Shabati..Zvi Äbuishneineh”
>
>>[email protected], new wrote:
>>> Investigators reportedly have opened several graves of Yemenite Jewish
>>> babies and found them to be empty – a discovery that might support
>>> claims that Yemenite children were taken from their parents for adoption
>>> decades ago.
>>>
>>> For years, Yemenite activists have claimed hundreds of babies declared
>>> dead were actually given to adoptive parents of European descent. If the
>>> claims are true, it could further sour relations between Middle Eastern
>>> and European Jews in Israel.
>>>
>>> The four graves at Tel Aviv’s Givat Shaul cemetery were opened last
>>> Wednesday as part of an official investigation, with a rabbi and family
>>> members present.
>>>
>>> Wooden signs over the empty graves bore the names Ruthie Babu, Ruthie
>>> Cohen, Reuven Rafaelo and Moshe Mishraki, Israel TV reported Saturday.
>>> All were hospitalized when only a few months old. Their parents never
>>> saw them again, nor did they see a body or a death certificate.
>>>
>>> “Now there is no doubt that this was an affair of planned fraud in
>>> which funerals were staged and evidence was falsified,” said Ora
>>> Shifris, a spokesman for the Yemenite families.
>>>
>>> Hundreds of children disappeared during the mass immigration of Yemenite
>>> Jews in the early 1950s, when the immigrants were housed in tent camps.
>>> Camp officials and medical staff denied any wrongdoing, saying there was
>>> chaos in the camps, where many babies were sickly and died.
>>>
>>> Two other commissions have investigated the affair, but many families
>>> dismissed their inconclusive findings.
>>>
>>> In 1994, radical Yemenite activist Uzi Meshulam and a group of armed
>>> followers barricaded themselves in a house in Tel Aviv for six weeks to
>>> press demands for a new inquiry. One of the followers was killed in a
>>> shootout with police, and Meshulam is serving a 6 1/2-year prison term.
>>> But the confrontation created a furor that led to the current
>>> commission, which has subpoena powers.
>>>
>>> Israel’s 4.7 million Jews are roughly evenly divided between those of
>>> Middle Eastern and European descent, but the latter have always been
>>> dominant economically and socially.
>>
>>
>>Mr. Jafar.
>>1. The number of children exceeded the thousands, not hundreds.
>>2. Most of the low Paige and menial jobs are given to Arab Jews.
>>3. For economic reasons, most of the prostitutes in Israel are underage
>>Yemenites (and now Russian) Jewish little girls.
>>4. Rejecting the blood of the African Jews (the Falasha) is just on of
>>the facet of the fascist Zionist life. The Falasha Jews are prohibited
>>from performing marriages and funeral. Only Aryan Jews are allowed to do
>>that besides some Arab Jews who had to (convert) to Judaism, the Aryan
>>style.
From [email protected] Wed Dec 30 23:23:12 EST 1998
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.ukrainian,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.baltics,pl.regionalne.warszawa,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Did Ukraine Allow JEWS MAFIA to Control Media??
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On Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:58:53 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:07:58 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>
>
>>==========
>>not all Jews are smart, read response to Odessa
>>
>>—————
>>JPawlikowski
>>
>>
>>
>>advocate wrote:
>>>
>>> jacob bekker wrote:
>>> >
>>> > [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>> > > ——–Jewish Mafia Takes Over Ukrainian and E. European Television———-
>>> > >
>>> > > According to an article in the April 5, 1997 N.Y. Times, “TV Venture by
>>> > > Cosmetics Heir Raises Questions,” Zionist mogul and former U.S. ambassador
>>> > > to Austria Ronald Lauder, has united with Vadim Rabinovich, a Ukrainian
>>> > > millionaire who spent nine years in prison for theft and has ties to the
>>> > > Jewish mafia in Ukraine, to build a media empire–Central European Media
>>> > > Enterprises– in the countries of the former Soviet Union.
>>> >
>>> > Who said, that the N.Y.Times is Jewish?
>>> > I can lern from that, that Italian mafia is O.K., Rusian mafia is O.K.,
>>> > Ukraian mafia is O.K., all other kinds of mafias are O.K., only Jewish
>>> > mafia is wrong. Why? May be they want to say, that it doesn,t feet to a
>>> > chosen people?
>>> >
>>> > J.B.
>>>
>>> I think this Odessa faggot likes the idea of Estee Lauder cosmetics
>>> being involved, he can fantasize about these mafia thugs sodomizing him
>>> while he wears cosmetics. You need to read between the lines.
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Subject: Homosexuality Originated With Jews!? Deny The TORAH and Continue Homosexual Lifestyle?
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:14:34 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:01:35 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>in support of his jew faggot lovers:
>>>On 1 Jul 1998 20:49:49 GMT, [email protected] (Billy Bob
>>>Throckmorton) wrote:
>>>>In article
>>>>says…
>>>>>On 1 Jul 1998 12:17:04 GMT, Doc Tavish, hiding behind
>>>>
>>>>>>How many Jews have you ever seen denounce this filthy
>>>>>>lifestyle? See what I mean!?
>
>>>>>ROTFL!!! Why should we denounce it?
>
>>>>So you do approve what G-d has condemned? Very interesting indeed. It shows
>>>>why Jews have been vomited out of all the lands they have infested if one
>>>>is to accept the Torah!
>
>>>>>It’s part of the plan to destroy the filthy, inferior ary*n race!
>>>>>Encouraging ary*n homosexuality (pretty easy to do, since they’re
>>>>>already so prone to it) helps keep the white birth rate down.
>
>>>>So you are confessing now that Jews aren’t white also?
>
>>>>>Every little bit helps…
>
>>>>Your simple admission tells all that homosexuality comes
>>>>from Jews! In my studies of the Jew I have learned that the Law
>>>>given to Moses was for Jews only and not for the people of the
>>>>nations or the Goy.
>
>>>>See: http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=325176411
>>>>and
>>>>http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=364072939
>>>>Subject: The Noachide Laws
>
>>>>What does G-d require from non-Jews?
>>>>————————————————————–
>
>>>>Our sages teach us that G-d gave seven laws or commandments that are
>>>>binding on all humanity. The first six of these laws were given to
>>>>Adam. Because the last of these seven commandments was given to Noah
>>>>and his sons, the seven laws are collectively referred to as “the
>>>>Noachide Laws”, or “the Commandments of Noah’s Sons”.
>
>>>>The Noachide Laws are:
>
>>>>1. Not to worship idols;
>>>>2. Not to curse G-d;
>>>>3. To establish courts of justice (some say, not to pervert justice);
>>>>4. Not to murder;
>>>>5. Not to commit adultery or incest;
>>>>6. Not to steal;
>>>>7. Not to eat flesh from a living animal.
>
>>>>The Oral Law (the Talmud) teaches clearly that whoever obeys these
>>>>seven commandments has a portion in the world to come.
>
>>>> Abraham was the first person in history to publicly proclaim the
>>>>Noachide Laws to the masses, although there certainly were righteous
>>>>persons before Abraham who knew these commandments and practiced them
>>>>(Noah himself, to name just one).
>
>>>>The Torah was given exclusively to the Jews, along with the
>>>>responsibility to inform the world of the universal commandments.
>>>> ———–END————
>
>>>>I guess this is why homosexual acts were mentioned in your Torah! It
>>>>appears you Jew boys liked buggering each other up the ass thousands of
>>>>years ago. If this weren’t true then why would
>>>>G-d have told Moses (as depicted in the Jewish Torah):
>
>>>>http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/vtx/chumash
>
>>>>Acharey Mot, Leviticus Chapter 18
>
>>>>18 : 22 Do not lie with a male as you would with a woman, since this
>>>>is a disgusting perversion.
>>>>18 : 23 Do not perform any sexual act with an animal, since it will
>>>>defile you. A woman shall [likewise] not give herself to an animal and
>>>>allow it to mate with her. This is an utterly detestable perversion.
>>>>18 : 24 Do not let yourselves be defiled by any of these acts. It was
>>>>as a result of them that the nations that I am driving away before you
>>>>became defiled.
>>>>18 : 25 The land became defiled, and when I directed My providence at
>>>>the sin committed there, the land vomited out its inhabitants.
>>>>18 : 26 You, [however,] must keep My decrees and laws, and not become
>>>>involved in any of these disgusting perversions – neither the native
>>>>born nor any foreigner who settles among you.
>>>>18 : 27 The people who lived in the land before you did all these
>>>>disgusting perversions and defiled the land.
>>>>18 : 28 But [you shall not cause] the land to vomit you out when you
>>>>defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was there before you.
>
>>>>The same Torah also says:
>>>>Chumash References
>>>>Kedoshim, Leviticus Chapter 20
>
>>>>20 : 7 You must sanctify yourselves and be holy, for I am God your
>>>>Lord.
>>>>20 : 8 Safeguard My decrees and keep them, since I am God [and] I am
>>>>making you holy.
>>>>20 : 9 Any person who curses his father or mother shall therefore be
>>>>put to death. Since he has cursed his father or mother, he shall be
>>>>stoned to death.
>>>>20 : 10 If a man commits adultery with a married woman, [and] she is
>>>>the wife of a fellow [Israelite], both the adulterer and adulteress
>>>>shall be put to death.
>>>>20 : 11 If a man has intercourse with his father’s wife, he has
>>>>committed a sexual offense against his father. Therefore, both of them
>>>>shall be put to death by stoning.
>>>>20 : 12 If a man has intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of
>>>>them shall be put to death. Since they have committed an utterly
>>>>detestable perversion, they shall be stoned to death.
>>>>20 : 13 If a man has intercourse with another man in the same manner
>>>>as with a woman, both of them have committed a disgusting perversion.
>>>>They shall be put to death by stoning.
>
>>>>>BTW, for information on rampant homosexuality amongst your
>>>>>ary*n “heroes:” see “The Pink Swatstika:”
>
>>>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~lively/
>
>>>>I could care less but Jeffrey Georg Brown may be interested.
>>>>I hope and pray that America “vomits” out its filth soon as well!
>>>>You all will not be missed!
>
>>>> Billy Bob
>
>>>>>Bob Alpert * balpert “at” netaxs.com * Author of the Jewish Conspiracy
>>>sven88
Further, is the recent news story about the JEW Rabbi now illegally
marrying faggots.
The full text follows:
On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:04:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>In a move sure to anger orthodox Jews, as well as normal humans, newspapers
>across Canada report that a Winnipeg synagogue will perform marriages
>of same sex persons.
>This, even though there is no law in Canada permitting this!!!
>Rabbi Michael Levenson of Temple Shalom admits that his actions are
>illegal.
If his actions are illegal, why don’t the authorities send him to
jail??
>He is quoted as saying that his ceremonies will be recognised
>from a religious point of view, not a political one. Levenson alleges
>that members of his temple supposedly supported his action. However,
>even normal Jews are criticising this action. It seems that what this
>Jew is doing, is NOT acceptable, according to the Torah.
No wonder people think of the jews as mainly sodomites.
On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 00:41:36 -0500, “Phil Essing”
>Why do you hide your true identity and email? Is it because you are ashamed
>of your own views?
>-Phil
>[email protected] wrote in message
><[email protected]>…
>>In a move sure to anger orthodox Jews, as well as normal humans, newspapers
>>across Canada report that a Winnipeg synagogue will perform marriages
>>of same sex persons. (should that read perverts?)
>>This, even though there is no law in Canada permitting this!!!
>>Rabbi Michael Levenson of Temple Shalom admits that his actions are
>>illegal. He is quoted as saying that his ceremonies will be recognised
>>from a religious point of view, not a political one. Levenson alleges
>>that members of his temple supposedly supported his action. However,
>>even normal Jews are criticising this action. It seems that what this
>>Jew is doing, is NOT acceptable, according to the Torah.
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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:39:08 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>>On 15 Jun 1998 14:08:53 GMT, [email protected]
>>wrote:
>>
>>The State of Israel will forever struggle on how to explain its
>>propaganda about the Nazi era, while at the same time applying
>>Nazi-like tactics to ethnically cleanse Palestine of its Moslem and
>>Christian natives.
>>
>>Its absurd for Israel to blackmail Switzerland for being truly neutral
>>in WWII, while publically and shamelessly committing crimes against
>>humanity in Palestine.
>>
>>During the short life of Israel, its been involved in Genocides,
>>Ethnic Cleansing, Random and Collective Punishment, Home Demolitions,
>>and many other grave crimes against mostly civilian population in
>>Palestine and Lebanon as tens of teethless UN Reselution and millions
>>of Palestinian refugees attest to.
>>
>>Its incomprehensible, un-Christian, and immoral for the US Government
>>to give billion$ to the Criminal State of Israel to
>>ethnically cleanse the Moslem and Christian natives from Palestine.
>>
>>In conclusion, Zionists seem to say that Nazi Germany was wrong not by
>>what they did, but whom they did it too!
>>
>>
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Subject: Crosses at Auschwitz-Anti-Christian JEWS!!!
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On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:15:01 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On 20 Oct 1998 14:46:50 GMT, “firefly”
>>>wrote:
>>>>THE CROSS IS NOBODY BUSSINESS< IT IS ON POLAND LAND
>>>>POLAND HAS THE RIGHT TO PUT WHAT THEY WANT INSIDE
>>>>IN THEIR COUNTRY.THIS IS INTERNAL AFFAIR < IT IS NOT AOUR
>>>>AFFAIR.COMPRENDE!!!!
>>>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:41:02 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2
>>>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>>
>>>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.
>>>>
>>>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>>>sensitive site.
>>>>
>>>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>>>groups.
>>>>
>>>>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests and must be resolved as
>>>>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are beginning to be perceived
>>>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,” she added.
>>>>
>>>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>>>site inevitable.
>>>>
>>>>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>>>>
>>>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site.
>>>>
>>>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex.
>>>>
>>>>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>>>>
>>>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar.
>>>>
>>>>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>>>and nationalists.
>>>>
>>>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>>>forgotten.
>>>>
>>>>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>>>be removed.
>>>>>
>>>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated.
>>>>>
>>>>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the answer but the cross, all
>>>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>>>the-scene discussion.”
>>>>>
>>>>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, “But I don’t see any
>>>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>>>the moment.”
>>>>
>>>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>>>>
>>>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>>>>
>>>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>>>international funding, are on hold.
>>>>
>>>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently.
>>>>
>>>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the “Judenrampe,” the
>>>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign.
>>>>
>>>>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>>>concrete, the crematories.”
>>>>
>>>>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda.
>>>>
>>>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,” wiping out most of
>>>>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>>>>
>>>>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>>>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>>>>
>>>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>>>>
>>>>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland’s tiny
>>>>>Jewish community.
>>>
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Subject: WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST/HOLOHOAX?
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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach
>wrote:
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world’s sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>> NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON’T ADD UP
>>
>> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted “to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine.”
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>> With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust “survivors” had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real “bible”, The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>> The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death “in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as “gospel truth”.
>> It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>”extermination camp”.
>>
>> HIMMLER-“REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”
>>
>> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that “The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” (Source,
>>Reitlinger’s book, “The Final Solution.”)
>> The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler’s
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, “Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates.” (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the “shockingly high mortality figures.” (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”
>> With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>”Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals”. It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>> THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, “Books and Bookmen”, April 1975, page 5,
>>”No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.”
>> The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>> This brings up the following questions.
>> 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>> 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>> 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>> 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, “The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them.” (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>> FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>> Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such “confessions” are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the “Confession’ and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>> Hoess statement read, “half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking.”
>> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not “ventable”. The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber “eating and smoking” – without
>>gas masks – only minutes after the gassing – IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>> GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, “The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann” pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>”became immediately gaseous.”
>> The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: “We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air.”
>>
>> CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), “We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped.” If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>> THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT’S ALL! In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18′ doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>> A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer’s book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich.” It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company’s ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>> “The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning.”
>> WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people – this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>> It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was “taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!”
>>
>> WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. “It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps.”
>> Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: “I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.”
>> Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>”The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie – the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time.”
>> Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. “The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.”
>>
>> WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, “Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists.”
>> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, “The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews.”
>> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: “The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews.”
>> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being “anti-Semitic” and “insensitive” to holocaust
>>victims.
>> The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>> A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>> The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don’t use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>> HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.
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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:54:40 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>On Sat, 09 May 1998 04:22:46 GMT, [email protected] (Lenny)
>wrote:
>>On Fri, 8 May 1998 18:51:08 -0400, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
>>
>>>On Mon, 4 May 1998, irgun1943 wrote:
>>>> Dear Sir,
>>>> I sympathize with people being forced into prostitution.
>>>> However, your intent is to promote hatred of israel and the Jewish
>>>> people.
>>>> No one wants your women. No one needs your women.
>>>> They come illegally into Israel.
>>>> Why not whore for the Germans? Ukrainians are good at that.
>>>> irgun43
>>> Despite your professed sympathies, the rest of your statements don’t
>>> stand scrutiny. These women are imported illegaly into Israel because
>>> there is obviously a demand, market, there for young slavic shikse.
>>> There would not be the trafficking, if there were no demand.
>
>>> “They come illegally …” Well it appears that many arrive quite legally
>>> on promises/expectations of other work. Others are brought in, imported,
>>> illegaly.
>
>>> Israel is a country in which there are no laws prohibiting the buying
>>> and selling of human beings as merchandise.
>>> Also prostitution is legal in Israel, and although brothels are
>>> illegal, this law seems to be more honoured in the breach.
>>> The article did not single out Israel, however whereas in other countries
>>> these things are at least illegal, that doesn’t appear to be the case
>>> in Israel.
>>> Your last sentence is definitely a statement intended to promote hatred.
>
>> The jews have a long history in slave trading. They financed and
>>promoted the slavery of the negroes, which is now resulting in the
>>racial mess we now have in America. *( For info on the jewish
>>involvement in the negro slave trade go to the following web site
>>http://www.tiac.net/users/lhl/Jews_and_Slavery.html
>> Now the jews are turning their hooked noses toward the white Eastern
>>European women, it is no wonder , these parasites of humanity abused
>>these people under communism now they abuse them sexually. It is the
>>nature of these people to destroy, like a parasite destroys it’s host.
>> May the white people of the world wake up before it’s too late!
>
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Subject: Jew Ritual Murder – discuss
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On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:09:15 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:41:38 -0400, “Richard G. Philllips”
>
>>Scoop wrote:
>>> Quoth Richard G. Philllips:
>>> : Scoop wrote:
>>> : > Dick, since you are alleging that Jews have routinely engaged in ritual
>>> : > murder throughout our long history, it is incumbent upon you to provide
>>> : > proof of your assertion.
>>===========================================
>>Phillips
>>I have never alleged and I do not believe that Jews ROUTINELY commit
>>ritual murder. I am inclined to believe that it has happened but is a
>>rare thing and certainly not indulged in by the generality of Jews.
>>After reading covington’s original post about the ocurrences in Chicago
>>in 1955,
>>I did no more than say that the circumstances, taken as a whole, were
>>highly suggestive of ritual murder.
>>===========================================
>>Phillips (previous)
>
>>> : It is well known that liberals and Jews have a penchant for hyperbole of
>>> : that sort. It reveals far more about the author than it does about the
>>> : person referred to.
>>===================================================
>>>
>>> All that it reveals about me is my opinion that you’re a spineless, lying
>>> buffoon.
>>===========================================
>>PHillips
>>
>>See what I mean?
>>=====================
>Notice that the Christkillers refuse to discuss the issue, namely how
>many of them indulge in Jewish Ritual Murder, of children???
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Subject: Jews and White Slave Trade
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On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:29:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:26:24 -0400, “Dan Parker”
>
>>Traffickers’ New Cargo:
>>Naive Slavic Women
>>By MICHAEL SPECTER
>>Ramle, Israel— Irina always assumed that her beauty would somehow rescue her
>>from the poverty and hopelessness of village life. A few months ago, after
>>answering a vague ad in a small Ukrainian newspaper, she slipped off a tour
>>boat when it put in at Haifa, hoping to make a bundle dancing naked on the
>>tops of tables.
>>She was 21, self-assured and glad to be out of Ukraine. Israel offered a new
>>world, and for a week or two everything seemed possible. Then, one morning,
>>she was driven to a brothel, where her boss burned her passport before her
>>eyes.
>>
>>“I own you,” she recalled his saying. “You are my property, and you will
>>work until you earn your way out. Don’t try to leave. You have no papers and
>>you don’t speak Hebrew. You will be arrested and deported. Then we will get
>>you and bring you back.”
>>
>>It happens every single day. Not just in Israel, which has deported nearly
>>1,500 Russian and Ukrainian women like Irina in the past three years. But
>>throughout the world, where selling naive and desperate young women into
>>sexual bondage has become one of the fastest-growing criminal enterprises in
>>the robust global economy.
>>
>>The international bazaar for women is hardly new, of course. Asians have
>>been its basic commodity for decades. But economic hopelessness in the
>>Slavic world has opened what experts call the most lucrative market of all
>>to criminal gangs that have flourished since the fall of Communism: Eastern
>>European women with little to sustain them but their dreams. Pimps, law-
>>enforcement officials and relief groups all agree that Ukrainian and Russian
>>women are now the most valuable in the trade.
>>
>>Because their immigration is often illegal—and because some percentage of
>>the women choose to work as prostitutes—statistics are difficult to assess.
>>But the United Nations estimates that 4 million people throughout the world
>>are trafficked each year—forced through lies and coercion to work against
>>their will in many types of servitude. The International Organization for
>>Migration has said that as many as 500,000 women are annually trafficked
>>into Western Europe alone.
>>
>>Many end up like Irina. Stunned and outraged by the sudden order to
>>prostitute herself, she simply refused. She was beaten and raped before she
>>succumbed. Finally she got a break. The brothel was raided, and she was
>>brought here to Neve Tirtsa in Ramle, the only women’s prison in Israel.
>>Now, like hundreds of Ukrainian and Russian women with no documents or
>>obvious forgeries, she is waiting to be sent home.
>>
>>“I don’t think the man who ruined my life will even be fined,” she said
>>softly, slow tears filling her enormous green eyes. “You can call me a fool
>>for coming here. That’s my crime. I am stupid. A stupid girl from a little
>>village. But can people really buy and sell women and get away with it?
>>Sometimes I sit here and ask myself if that really happened to me, if it can
>>really happen at all.”
>>
>>Then, waving her arm toward the muddy prison yard, where Russian is spoken
>>more commonly than Hebrew, she whispered one last thought: “I’m not the only
>>one, you know. They have ruined us all.”
>>
>>Traffic Patterns: Russia and Ukraine Supply the Flesh
>>
>>Centered in Moscow and the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, the networks trafficking
>>women run east to Japan and Thailand, where thousands of young Slavic women
>>now work against their will as prostitutes, and west to the Adriatic Coast
>>and beyond. The routes are controlled by Russian crime gangs based in
>>Moscow. Even when they do not specifically move the women overseas, they
>>provide security, logistical support, liaison with brothel owners in many
>>countries and, usually, false documents.
>>
>>Women often start their hellish journey by choice. Seeking a better life,
>>they are lured by local advertisements for good jobs in foreign countries at
>>wages they could never imagine at home.
>>
>>In Ukraine alone, the number of women who leave is staggering. As many as
>>400,000 women under 30 have gone in the past decade, according to their
>>country’s interior ministry. The Thai Embassy in Moscow, which processes
>>visa applications from Russia and Ukraine, says it receives nearly 1,000
>>visa applications a day, most of these from women.
>>
>>Israel is a fairly typical destination. Prostitution is not illegal here,
>>although brothels are, and with 250,000 foreign male workers—most of whom
>>are single or here without their wives—the demand is great. Police officials
>>estimate that there are 25,000 paid sexual transactions every day. Brothels
>>are ubiquitous.
>>
>>None of the women seem to realize the risks they run until it is too late.
>>Once they cross the border their passports will be confiscated, their
>>freedoms curtailed and what little money they have taken from them at once.
>>
>>“You want to tell these kids that if something seems too good to be true it
>>usually is,” said Lyudmilla Biryuk, a Ukrainian psychologist who has
>>counseled women who have escaped or been released from bondage. “But you can
>>’t imagine what fear and real ignorance can do to a person.”
>>
>>The women are smuggled by car, bus, boat and plane. Handed off in the dead
>>of night, many are told they will pick oranges, work as dancers or as
>>waitresses. Others have decided to try their luck at prostitution, usually
>>for what they assume will be a few lucrative months. They have no idea of
>>the violence that awaits them.
>>
>>The efficient, economically brutal routine—whether here in Israel, or in one
>>of a dozen other countries—rarely varies. Women are held in apartments, bars
>>and makeshift brothels; there they service, by their own count, as many as
>>15 clients a day. Often they sleep in shifts, four to a bed. The best that
>>most hope for is to be deported after the police finally catch up with their
>>captors.
>>
>>Few ever testify. Those who do risk death. Last year in Istanbul, Turkey,
>>according to Ukrainian police investigators, two women were thrown to their
>>deaths from a balcony while six of their Russian friends watched.
>>
>>In Serbia, also last year, said a young Ukrainian woman who escaped in
>>October, a woman who refused to work as a prostitute was beheaded in public.
>>
>>In Milan, Italy, a week before Christmas, the police broke up a ring that
>>was holding auctions in which women abducted from the countries of the
>>former Soviet Union were put on blocks, partially naked, and sold at an
>>average price of just under $1,000.
>>
>>“This is happening wherever you look now,” said Michael Platzer, the Vienna,
>>Austria-based head of operations for the U.N.’s Center for International
>>Crime Prevention. “The Mafia is not stupid. There is less law enforcement
>>since the Soviet Union fell apart and more freedom of movement. The earnings
>>are incredible. The overhead is low—you don’t have to buy cars and guns.
>>Drugs you sell once and they are gone. Women can earn money for a long
>>time.”
>>
>>“Also,” he added, “the laws help the gangsters. Prostitution is semilegal in
>>many places and that makes enforcement tricky. In most cases punishment is
>>very light.”
>>
>>In some countries, Israel among them, there is not even a specific law
>>against the sale of human beings.
>>
>>Platzer said that although certainly “tens of thousands” of women were sold
>>into prostitution each year, he was uncomfortable with statistics since
>>nobody involved has any reason to tell the truth.
>>
>>“But if you want to use numbers,” he said, “think about this. Two hundred
>>million people are victims of contemporary forms of slavery. Most aren’t
>>prostitutes, of course, but children in sweatshops, domestic workers,
>>migrants. During four centuries, 12 million people were believed to be
>>involved in the slave trade between Africa and the New World. The 200
>>million—and many of course are women who are trafficked for sex—is a current
>>figure. It’s happening now. Today.”
>>
>>Distress Calls: Far-Flung Victims Provide Few Clues
>>
>>The distress call came from Donetsk, the bleak center of coal production in
>>southern Ukraine. A woman was screaming on the telephone line. Her sister
>>and a friend were prisoners in a bar somewhere near Rome. They spoke no
>>Italian and had no way out, but had managed, briefly, to get hold of a man’s
>>cell phone.
>>
>>“Do you have any idea where they are, exactly?” asked Olga Shved, who runs
>>La Strada in Kiev, Ukraine’s new center dedicated to fighting the
>>trafficking of women in Eastern Europe and the countries of the former
>>Soviet Union.
>>
>>The woman’s answer was no. Ms. Shved began searching for files and telephone
>>numbers of the local consul, the police, anybody who could help.
>>
>>“Do they know how far from Rome they are?” she asked, her voice tightening
>>with each word. “What about the name of the street or the bar? Anything will
>>help,” she said, jotting notes furiously as she spoke. “We can get the
>>police on this, but we need something. If they call back, tell them to give
>>us a clue. The street number. The number of a bus that runs past. One thing
>>is all we need.”
>>
>>Ms. Shved hung up and called officials at Ukraine’s Interior Ministry and
>>the Foreign Ministry. Her conversations were short, direct and obviously a
>>routine part of her job.
>>
>>That is because Ukraine—and to a lesser degree its Slavic neighbors Russia
>>and Belarus—has replaced Thailand and the Philippines as the epicenter of
>>the global business in trafficking women. The Ukrainian problem has been
>>worsened by a ravaged economy, an atrophied system of law enforcement, and
>>criminal gangs that grow more brazen each year. Young European women are in
>>demand, and Ukraine, a country of 51 million people, has a seemingly endless
>>supply. It is not that hard to see why.
>>
>>Neither Russia nor Ukraine reports accurate unemployment statistics. But
>>even partial numbers present a clear story of chaos and economic
>>dislocation. Federal employment statistics in Ukraine indicate that more
>>than two-thirds of the unemployed are women. The government also keeps
>>another statistic: employed but not working. Those are people who
>>technically have jobs, and can use company amenities like day-care centers
>>and hospitals. But they do not work or get paid. Three-quarters are women.
>>And of those who have lost their jobs since the Soviet Union dissolved in
>>1991, more than 80 percent are women.
>>
>>The average salary in Ukraine today is slightly less than $30 a month, but
>>it is half that in the small towns that criminal gangs favor for recruiting
>>women to work abroad. On average, there are 30 applicants for every job in
>>most Ukrainian cities. There is no real hope; but there is freedom.
>>
>>In that climate, looking for work in foreign countries has increasingly
>>become a matter of survival.
>>
>>“It’s no secret that the highest prices now go for the white women,” said
>>Marco Buffo, executive director of On the Road, an antitrafficking
>>organization in northern Italy. “They are the novelty item now. It used to
>>be Nigerians and Asians at the top of the market. Now it’s the Ukrainians.”
>>
>>Economics is not the only factor causing women to flee their homelands.
>>There is also social reality. For the first time, young women in Ukraine and
>>Russia have the right, the ability and the willpower to walk away from their
>>parents and their hometowns. Village life is disintegrating throughout much
>>of the former Soviet world, and youngsters are grabbing any chance they can
>>find to save themselves.
>>“After the wall fell down, the Ukrainian people tried to live in the new
>>circumstances,” said Ms. Shved. “It was very hard, and it gets no easier.
>>Girls now have few opportunities yet great freedom. They see ‘Pretty Woman,’
>>or a thousand movies and ads with the same point, that somebody who is rich
>>can save them. The glory and ease of wealth is almost the basic point of the
>>Western advertising that we see. Here the towns are dying. What jobs there
>>are go to men. So they leave.”
>>
>>First, however, they answer ads from employment agencies promising to find
>>them work in a foreign country. Here again, Russian crime gangs play a
>>central role. They often recruit people through seemingly innocuous “mail
>>order bride” meetings. Even when they do not, few such organizations can
>>operate without paying off one gang or another. Sometimes want ads are
>>almost honest, suggesting that the women can earn up to $1,000 a month as
>>“escorts” abroad. Often they are vague or blatantly untrue.
>>
>>Recruiting Methods: Ads Make Offers Too Good To Be True
>>
>>One typical ad used by traffickers in Kiev last year read: “Girls: Must be
>>single and very pretty. Young and tall. We invite you for work as models,
>>secretaries, dancers, choreographers, gymnasts. Housing is supplied. Foreign
>>posts available. Must apply in person.”
>>
>>One young woman who did, and made it back alive, described a harrowing
>>journey. “I met with these guys, and they asked if I would work at a strip
>>bar,” she said. “Why not, I thought. They said we would have to leave at
>>once. We went by car to the Slovak Republic where they grabbed my passport.
>>I think they got me new papers there, but threatened me if I spoke out. We
>>made it to Vienna, then to Turkey. I was kept in a bar and I was told I owed
>>$5,000 for my travel. I worked for three days, and on the fourth I was
>>arrested.”
>>
>>Lately, the ads have started to disappear from the main cities—where the
>>realities of such offers are known now. These days the appeals are made in
>>the provinces, where their success is undiminished.
>>
>>Most of the thousands of Ukrainian women who go abroad each year are illegal
>>immigrants who do not work in the sex business. Often they apply for a legal
>>visa—to dance, or work in a bar—and then stay after it expires.
>>
>>Many go to Turkey and Germany, where Russian crime groups are particularly
>>powerful. Israeli leaders say that Russian women—they tend to refer to all
>>women from the former Soviet Union as Russian—disappear off tour boats every
>>day. Officials in Italy estimate that at least 30,000 Ukrainian women are
>>employed illegally there now.
>>
>>Most are domestic workers, but a growing number are prostitutes, some of
>>them having been promised work as domestics only to find out their jobs were
>>a lie. Part of the problem became clear in a two-year study recently
>>concluded by the Washington-based nonprofit group Global Survival Network:
>>Police officials in many countries just don’t care.
>>
>>The network, after undercover interviews with gangsters, pimps and corrupt
>>officials, found that local police forces—often those best able to prevent
>>trafficking—are least interested in helping.
>>
>>Gillian Caldwell of Global Survival Network has been deeply involved in the
>>study. “In Tokyo,” she said, “a sympathetic senator arranged a meeting for
>>us with senior police officials to discuss the growing prevalence of
>>trafficking from Russia into Japan. The police insisted it wasn’t a problem,
>>and they didn’t even want the concrete information we could have provided.
>>That didn’t surprise local relief agencies, who cited instances in which
>>police had actually sold trafficked women back to the criminal networks
>>which had enslaved them.”
>>
>>Official Reactions: Best-Placed To Help, but Least Inclined
>>
>>Complacency among police agencies is not uncommon.
>>
>>“Women’s groups want to blow this all out of proportion,” said Gennadi
>>Lepenko, chief of Kiev’s branch of Interpol, the international police
>>agency. “Perhaps this was a problem a few years ago. But it’s under control
>>now.”
>>
>>That is not the view at Ukraine’s parliament—which is trying to pass new
>>laws to protect young women—or at the Interior Ministry.
>>“We have a very serious problem here, and we are simply not equipped to
>>solve it by ourselves,” said Mikhail Lebed, chief of criminal investigations
>>for the Ukrainian Interior Ministry. “It is a human tragedy, but also,
>>frankly, a national crisis. Gangsters make more from these women in a week
>>than we have in our law-enforcement budget for the whole year. To be honest,
>>unless we get some help we are not going to stop it.”
>>
>>But solutions will not be simple. Criminal gangs risk little by ferrying
>>women out of the country; indeed, many of the women go voluntarily. Laws are
>>vague, cooperation between countries rare and punishment of traffickers
>>almost nonexistent. Without work or much hope of a future at home, an eager
>>teen-ager will find it hard to believe that the promise of a job in Italy,
>>Turkey or Israel is almost certain to be worthless.
>>
>>“I answered an ad to be a waitress,” said Tamara, 19, a Ukrainian prostitute
>>in a massage parlor near Tel Aviv’s old Central Bus Station, a Russian-
>>language ghetto for the cheapest brothels. “I’m not sure I would go back now
>>if I could. What would I do there, stand on a bread line or work in a
>>factory for no wages?”
>>
>>Tamara, like all other such women interviewed for this article, asked that
>>her full name not be published. She has classic Slavic features, with long
>>blond hair and deep green eyes. She turned several potential customers away
>>so she could speak at length with a reporter. She was willing to talk as
>>long as her boss was out. She said she was not watched closely while she
>>remained within the garish confines of the “health club.”
>>
>>“I didn’t plan to do this,” she said, looking sourly at the rich red walls
>>and leopard prints around her. “They took my passport, so I don’t have much
>>choice. But they do give me money. And believe me, it’s better than anything
>>I could ever get at home.”
>>
>>Yitzhak Tyler, the chief of undercover activities for the Haifa police, is a
>>big, open-faced man who doesn’t mince words.
>>
>>“We got a hell of a problem on our hands,” he said. The port city of 200,000
>>has become the easiest entryway for women brought to Israel to work as
>>prostitutes—though by no means the only one. Sometimes they walk off tour
>>boats, but increasingly they come with forged documents that enable them to
>>live and work in Israel. These have often been bought or stolen from elderly
>>Jewish women in Russia or Ukraine.
>>
>>“This is a sophisticated, global operation,” Tyler said. “It’s evil, and it’
>>s successful because the money is so good. These men pay $500 to $1,000 for
>>a Ukrainian or Russian woman. Do you understand what I am telling you? They
>>will buy these women and make a fortune out of them.”
>>
>>To illustrate his point, Tyler grabbed a black calculator and started
>>calling out the sums as he punched them in.
>>“Take a small place,” he said, “with 10 girls. Each has 15 to 20 clients a
>>day. Multiply that by say 200 shekels. So say 30,000 shekels a day comes in
>>to each place. Each girl works 25 days a month. Minimum.”
>>
>>Tyler was busy doing math as he spoke. “So we are talking about 750,000
>>shekels a month, or about $215,000. A man often owns five of these places.
>>That’s a million dollars. No taxes, no real overhead. It’s a factory with
>>slave labor. And we’ve got them all over Israel.”
>>
>>The Tropicana, in Tel Aviv’s bustling business district, is one of the
>>busiest bordellos. The women who work there, like nearly all prostitutes in
>>Israel today, are Russian. Their boss, however, is not.
>>
>>“Israelis love Russian girls,” said Jacob Golan, who owns this and two other
>>clubs, and spoke willingly about the business he finds so “successful.”
>>“They are blonde and good-looking and different from us,” he said, chuckling
>>as he drew his hand over his black hair. “And they are desperate. They are
>>ready to do anything for money.”
>>
>>Always filled with half-naked Russian women, the club is open around the
>>clock. There is a schedule on the wall next to the receptionist—with each
>>woman’s hours listed in a different color, and the days and shifts rotating,
>>as at a restaurant or a bar. Next to the schedule a sign reads, “We don’t
>>accept checks.” Next to that there is a poster for a missing Israeli woman.
>>
>>There are 12 cubicles at the Tropicana where 20 women work in shifts, eight
>>during the daytime, 12 at night. Business is always booming, and not just
>>with foreign workers. Israeli soldiers, with rifles on their shoulders,
>>frequent the place, as do business executives and tourists.
>>Golan was asked if most women who work at the club do so voluntarily. He
>>laughed heartily.
>>
>>“I don’t get into that,” he said, staring vacantly across his club at four
>>Russian women sitting on a low couch. “They are brought here and told to
>>work. I don’t force them. I pay them. What goes on between them and the men
>>they are with, how could that be my problem?”
>>
>>Deterrent Strategies: A System that Fails Those Who Testify
>>
>>Every once in a while, usually with great fanfare and plenty of advance
>>notice, Golan gets raided. He pays a fine, and the women without good false
>>documents are taken to prison.
>>
>>If they are deported, the charges against them are dropped. But if a woman
>>wants to file a complaint, then she must remain in prison until a trial is
>>held. “In the past four years,” Betty Lahan, prison director of Neve Tirtsa
>>here, said, “I don’t know of a single case where a woman chose to testify.”
>>
>>Such punitive treatment of victims is the rule rather than the exception. In
>>Italy, where the police say killings of women forced into prostitution
>>average one a month, parliament tried to create a sort of witness protection
>>program. But it only allowed women to stay in the country for one year and
>>did nothing to hide their identities.
>>
>>“The deck is just so completely stacked against the women in all this,” said
>>Daniella Pompei, an immigration specialist with the community of Sant’
>>Egidio, the Catholic relief agency in Rome. “The police is the last place
>>these women want to go.” She said that only 20 women had ever used the
>>protection program.
>>
>>It is not clear who will stop the mob. On a trip to Ukraine late last year,
>>Hillary Rodham Clinton spoke out about the new slave trade that has
>>developed so rapidly there. The United States and the European Union have
>>plans to work together to educate young women about the dangers of working
>>abroad. Other initiatives, like stays of deportation for prisoners, victims’
>>shelters and counseling, have also been discussed.
>>
>>“I don’t care about any of that,” said Lena, a young Latvian, one of the
>>inmates waiting to be deported here. “I just want to know one thing. How
>>will I ever walk down the street like a human being again?”
>>
>>
>>
>>
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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach
>wrote:
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world’s sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>> NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON’T ADD UP
>>
>> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted “to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine.”
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>> With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust “survivors” had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real “bible”, The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>> The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death “in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as “gospel truth”.
>> It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>”extermination camp”.
>>
>> HIMMLER-“REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”
>>
>> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that “The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” (Source,
>>Reitlinger’s book, “The Final Solution.”)
>> The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler’s
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, “Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates.” (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the “shockingly high mortality figures.” (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”
>> With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>”Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals”. It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>> THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, “Books and Bookmen”, April 1975, page 5,
>>”No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.”
>> The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>> This brings up the following questions.
>> 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>> 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>> 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>> 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, “The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them.” (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>> FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>> Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such “confessions” are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the “Confession’ and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>> Hoess statement read, “half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking.”
>> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not “ventable”. The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber “eating and smoking” – without
>>gas masks – only minutes after the gassing – IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>> GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, “The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann” pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>”became immediately gaseous.”
>> The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: “We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air.”
>>
>> CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), “We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped.” If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>> THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT’S ALL! In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18′ doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>> A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer’s book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich.” It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company’s ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>> “The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning.”
>> WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people – this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>> It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was “taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!”
>>
>> WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. “It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps.”
>> Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: “I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.”
>> Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>”The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie – the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time.”
>> Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. “The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.”
>>
>> WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, “Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists.”
>> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, “The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews.”
>> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: “The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews.”
>> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being “anti-Semitic” and “insensitive” to holocaust
>>victims.
>> The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>> A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>> The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don’t use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>> HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.
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>Established Canadian Law Firm seeks reputable business/professional
>partner for the processing of Canadian immigration applications.
>Please reply in writing to:
This smells like another swindle by criminals trying to get more
criminals and other undesirables into Canada!!!
Legitimate, qualified individuals do not need to pay scammers to apply
to emigrate to canada.
Only those unsuited, and unqualified, need pay for the service, which
is available FREE at all Canada immigration offices!!!!
By the way, since when is the appellation “attorney at law” legal in
Canada??
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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach
>wrote:
>
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>>
>> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world’s sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>>
>> NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON’T ADD UP
>>
>> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted “to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine.”
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>> With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust “survivors” had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real “bible”, The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>> The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death “in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as “gospel truth”.
>> It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>”extermination camp”.
>>
>> HIMMLER-“REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”
>>
>> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that “The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” (Source,
>>Reitlinger’s book, “The Final Solution.”)
>> The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler’s
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, “Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates.” (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the “shockingly high mortality figures.” (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”
>> With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>”Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals”. It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>> THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, “Books and Bookmen”, April 1975, page 5,
>>”No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.”
>> The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>> This brings up the following questions.
>> 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>> 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>> 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>> 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, “The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them.” (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>> FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>> Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such “confessions” are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the “Confession’ and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>> Hoess statement read, “half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking.”
>> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not “ventable”. The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber “eating and smoking” – without
>>gas masks – only minutes after the gassing – IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>> GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, “The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann” pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>”became immediately gaseous.”
>> The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: “We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air.”
>>
>> CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), “We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped.” If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>> THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT’S ALL! In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18′ doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>> A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer’s book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich.” It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company’s ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>> “The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning.”
>> WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people – this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>> It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was “taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!”
>>
>> WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. “It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps.”
>> Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: “I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.”
>> Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>”The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie – the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time.”
>> Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. “The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.”
>>
>> WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, “Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists.”
>> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, “The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews.”
>> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: “The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews.”
>> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being “anti-Semitic” and “insensitive” to holocaust
>>victims.
>> The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>> A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>> The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don’t use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>> HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.
From [email protected] Wed Dec 30 23:23:58 EST 1998
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:56:26 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 11:04:59 -0500, “Shabati..Zvi Äbuishneineh”
>
>>[email protected], new wrote:
>>> Investigators reportedly have opened several graves of Yemenite Jewish
>>> babies and found them to be empty – a discovery that might support
>>> claims that Yemenite children were taken from their parents for adoption
>>> decades ago.
>>>
>>> For years, Yemenite activists have claimed hundreds of babies declared
>>> dead were actually given to adoptive parents of European descent. If the
>>> claims are true, it could further sour relations between Middle Eastern
>>> and European Jews in Israel.
>>>
>>> The four graves at Tel Aviv’s Givat Shaul cemetery were opened last
>>> Wednesday as part of an official investigation, with a rabbi and family
>>> members present.
>>>
>>> Wooden signs over the empty graves bore the names Ruthie Babu, Ruthie
>>> Cohen, Reuven Rafaelo and Moshe Mishraki, Israel TV reported Saturday.
>>> All were hospitalized when only a few months old. Their parents never
>>> saw them again, nor did they see a body or a death certificate.
>>>
>>> “Now there is no doubt that this was an affair of planned fraud in
>>> which funerals were staged and evidence was falsified,” said Ora
>>> Shifris, a spokesman for the Yemenite families.
>>>
>>> Hundreds of children disappeared during the mass immigration of Yemenite
>>> Jews in the early 1950s, when the immigrants were housed in tent camps.
>>> Camp officials and medical staff denied any wrongdoing, saying there was
>>> chaos in the camps, where many babies were sickly and died.
>>>
>>> Two other commissions have investigated the affair, but many families
>>> dismissed their inconclusive findings.
>>>
>>> In 1994, radical Yemenite activist Uzi Meshulam and a group of armed
>>> followers barricaded themselves in a house in Tel Aviv for six weeks to
>>> press demands for a new inquiry. One of the followers was killed in a
>>> shootout with police, and Meshulam is serving a 6 1/2-year prison term.
>>> But the confrontation created a furor that led to the current
>>> commission, which has subpoena powers.
>>>
>>> Israel’s 4.7 million Jews are roughly evenly divided between those of
>>> Middle Eastern and European descent, but the latter have always been
>>> dominant economically and socially.
>>
>>
>>Mr. Jafar.
>>1. The number of children exceeded the thousands, not hundreds.
>>2. Most of the low Paige and menial jobs are given to Arab Jews.
>>3. For economic reasons, most of the prostitutes in Israel are underage
>>Yemenites (and now Russian) Jewish little girls.
>>4. Rejecting the blood of the African Jews (the Falasha) is just on of
>>the facet of the fascist Zionist life. The Falasha Jews are prohibited
>>from performing marriages and funeral. Only Aryan Jews are allowed to do
>>that besides some Arab Jews who had to (convert) to Judaism, the Aryan
>>style.
From [email protected] Wed Dec 30 23:23:59 EST 1998
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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:58:01 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 11:04:59 -0500, “Shabati..Zvi Äbuishneineh”
>
>>[email protected], new wrote:
>>> Investigators reportedly have opened several graves of Yemenite Jewish
>>> babies and found them to be empty – a discovery that might support
>>> claims that Yemenite children were taken from their parents for adoption
>>> decades ago.
>>>
>>> For years, Yemenite activists have claimed hundreds of babies declared
>>> dead were actually given to adoptive parents of European descent. If the
>>> claims are true, it could further sour relations between Middle Eastern
>>> and European Jews in Israel.
>>>
>>> The four graves at Tel Aviv’s Givat Shaul cemetery were opened last
>>> Wednesday as part of an official investigation, with a rabbi and family
>>> members present.
>>>
>>> Wooden signs over the empty graves bore the names Ruthie Babu, Ruthie
>>> Cohen, Reuven Rafaelo and Moshe Mishraki, Israel TV reported Saturday.
>>> All were hospitalized when only a few months old. Their parents never
>>> saw them again, nor did they see a body or a death certificate.
>>>
>>> “Now there is no doubt that this was an affair of planned fraud in
>>> which funerals were staged and evidence was falsified,” said Ora
>>> Shifris, a spokesman for the Yemenite families.
>>>
>>> Hundreds of children disappeared during the mass immigration of Yemenite
>>> Jews in the early 1950s, when the immigrants were housed in tent camps.
>>> Camp officials and medical staff denied any wrongdoing, saying there was
>>> chaos in the camps, where many babies were sickly and died.
>>>
>>> Two other commissions have investigated the affair, but many families
>>> dismissed their inconclusive findings.
>>>
>>> In 1994, radical Yemenite activist Uzi Meshulam and a group of armed
>>> followers barricaded themselves in a house in Tel Aviv for six weeks to
>>> press demands for a new inquiry. One of the followers was killed in a
>>> shootout with police, and Meshulam is serving a 6 1/2-year prison term.
>>> But the confrontation created a furor that led to the current
>>> commission, which has subpoena powers.
>>>
>>> Israel’s 4.7 million Jews are roughly evenly divided between those of
>>> Middle Eastern and European descent, but the latter have always been
>>> dominant economically and socially.
>>
>>
>>Mr. Jafar.
>>1. The number of children exceeded the thousands, not hundreds.
>>2. Most of the low Paige and menial jobs are given to Arab Jews.
>>3. For economic reasons, most of the prostitutes in Israel are underage
>>Yemenites (and now Russian) Jewish little girls.
>>4. Rejecting the blood of the African Jews (the Falasha) is just on of
>>the facet of the fascist Zionist life. The Falasha Jews are prohibited
>>from performing marriages and funeral. Only Aryan Jews are allowed to do
>>that besides some Arab Jews who had to (convert) to Judaism, the Aryan
>>style.
From [email protected] Wed Dec 30 23:23:59 EST 1998
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Subject: Did Ukraine Allow JEWS MAFIA to Control Media??
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On Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:58:53 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:07:58 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>
>
>>==========
>>not all Jews are smart, read response to Odessa
>>
>>—————
>>JPawlikowski
>>
>>
>>
>>advocate wrote:
>>>
>>> jacob bekker wrote:
>>> >
>>> > [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>> > > ——–Jewish Mafia Takes Over Ukrainian and E. European Television———-
>>> > >
>>> > > According to an article in the April 5, 1997 N.Y. Times, “TV Venture by
>>> > > Cosmetics Heir Raises Questions,” Zionist mogul and former U.S. ambassador
>>> > > to Austria Ronald Lauder, has united with Vadim Rabinovich, a Ukrainian
>>> > > millionaire who spent nine years in prison for theft and has ties to the
>>> > > Jewish mafia in Ukraine, to build a media empire–Central European Media
>>> > > Enterprises– in the countries of the former Soviet Union.
>>> >
>>> > Who said, that the N.Y.Times is Jewish?
>>> > I can lern from that, that Italian mafia is O.K., Rusian mafia is O.K.,
>>> > Ukraian mafia is O.K., all other kinds of mafias are O.K., only Jewish
>>> > mafia is wrong. Why? May be they want to say, that it doesn,t feet to a
>>> > chosen people?
>>> >
>>> > J.B.
>>>
>>> I think this Odessa faggot likes the idea of Estee Lauder cosmetics
>>> being involved, he can fantasize about these mafia thugs sodomizing him
>>> while he wears cosmetics. You need to read between the lines.
From [email protected] Wed Dec 30 23:24:01 EST 1998
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Subject: Crosses at Auschwitz-Anti-Christian JEWS!!!
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On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:15:01 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On 20 Oct 1998 14:46:50 GMT, “firefly”
>>>wrote:
>>>>THE CROSS IS NOBODY BUSSINESS< IT IS ON POLAND LAND
>>>>POLAND HAS THE RIGHT TO PUT WHAT THEY WANT INSIDE
>>>>IN THEIR COUNTRY.THIS IS INTERNAL AFFAIR < IT IS NOT AOUR
>>>>AFFAIR.COMPRENDE!!!!
>>>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:41:02 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2
>>>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>>
>>>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.
>>>>
>>>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>>>sensitive site.
>>>>
>>>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>>>groups.
>>>>
>>>>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests and must be resolved as
>>>>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are beginning to be perceived
>>>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,” she added.
>>>>
>>>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>>>site inevitable.
>>>>
>>>>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>>>>
>>>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site.
>>>>
>>>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex.
>>>>
>>>>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>>>>
>>>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar.
>>>>
>>>>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>>>and nationalists.
>>>>
>>>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>>>forgotten.
>>>>
>>>>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>>>be removed.
>>>>>
>>>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated.
>>>>>
>>>>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the answer but the cross, all
>>>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>>>the-scene discussion.”
>>>>>
>>>>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, “But I don’t see any
>>>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>>>the moment.”
>>>>
>>>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>>>>
>>>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>>>>
>>>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>>>international funding, are on hold.
>>>>
>>>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently.
>>>>
>>>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the “Judenrampe,” the
>>>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign.
>>>>
>>>>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>>>concrete, the crematories.”
>>>>
>>>>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda.
>>>>
>>>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,” wiping out most of
>>>>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>>>>
>>>>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>>>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>>>>
>>>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>>>>
>>>>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland’s tiny
>>>>>Jewish community.
>>>
From [email protected] Wed Dec 30 23:25:38 EST 1998
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On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 03:16:51 -0500, “Guy P. Major, Attorney at Law”
>Established Canadian Law Firm seeks reputable business/professional
>partner for the processing of Canadian immigration applications.
>Please reply in writing to:
This smells like another swindle by criminals trying to get more
criminals and other undesirables into Canada!!!
Legitimate, qualified individuals do not need to pay scammers to apply
to emigrate to canada.
Only those unsuited, and unqualified, need pay for the service, which
is available FREE at all Canada immigration offices!!!!
By the way, since when is the appellation “attorney at law” legal in
Canada??
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Subject: Re: Winnipeg Rabbi to Marry faggots
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The full text follows:
On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:04:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>In a move sure to anger orthodox Jews, as well as normal humans, newspapers
>across Canada report that a Winnipeg synagogue will perform marriages
>of same sex persons.
>This, even though there is no law in Canada permitting this!!!
>Rabbi Michael Levenson of Temple Shalom admits that his actions are
>illegal.
If his actions are illegal, why don’t the authorities send him to
jail??
>He is quoted as saying that his ceremonies will be recognised
>from a religious point of view, not a political one. Levenson alleges
>that members of his temple supposedly supported his action. However,
>even normal Jews are criticising this action. It seems that what this
>Jew is doing, is NOT acceptable, according to the Torah.
No wonder people think of the jews as mainly sodomites.
On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 00:41:36 -0500, “Phil Essing”
>Why do you hide your true identity and email? Is it because you are ashamed
>of your own views?
>-Phil
>[email protected] wrote in message
><[email protected]>…
>>In amove sto anger orthodox Jews, as well as normal humans, newspapers
>>across Canada report that a Winnipeg synagogue will perform arriages
>>of same sex persons.
>>
>>This, even though there is no law in Canada permitting this!!!
>>
>>Rabbi Michael Levenson of Temple Shalom admits that his actions are
>>illegal. He is quoted as saying that his ceremonies will be recognised
>>from a religious point of view, not a political one. Levenson alleges
>>that members of his temple supposedly supported his action. However,
>>even normal Jews are criticising this action. It seems that what this
>>Jew is doing, is NOT acceptable, according to the Torah.
>>
>>
>
From [email protected] Thu Dec 31 00:01:12 EST 1998
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Subject: Re: Winnipeg Rabbi to Marry faggots
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On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:44:26 GMT, Stephen Jenuth
>In soc.culture.canada [email protected] wrote:
>: The full text follows:
>
>: On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:04:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>:>In a move sure to anger orthodox Jews, as well as normal humans, newspapers
>:>across Canada report that a Winnipeg synagogue will perform marriages
>:>of same sex persons.
>
>:>This, even though there is no law in Canada permitting this!!!
>
>While the marriage will not be recognised by civil law (unless the
>law is changed either by Parliament or by the Courts using the Charter),
>there is nothing that suggests that the action is illegal.
>
>As such the marriage will not be a marriage.
>
>:>Rabbi Michael Levenson of Temple Shalom admits that his actions are
>:>illegal.
>
>: If his actions are illegal, why don’t the authorities send him to
>: jail??
>
>For what. While performing a marriage when not permitted to, or doing
>it contrary to law is illegal under the Criminal Code;
ARE YOU NOT CONTRADICTING YOURSELF??
IF IT IS “ILLEGAL” AS YOU CLAIM, under the Criminal Code, why is the
Jew Rabbi not charged??
>these are clearly
>not marriages in the civil law sense. Thus there would be no offence.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Stephen Jenuth
>([email protected])
>
>Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
From [email protected] Thu Dec 31 00:02:24 EST 1998
Article: 173178 of soc.culture.cuba
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: CANADA LIKES TO SWINDLE CUBA!!!
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On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:57:20 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:39:43 GMT, [email protected]
>>wrote:
>>>On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:58:12 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>Subject: Canada Post Managers Can STEAL MAIL!!!
>>>>Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:46:38 GMT
>>>>On Tuesday 14 October 1998, a Court in Edmonton Canada confirmed that
>>>>Canada Post IS above the law, even above Magna Carta and the Canadian
>>>>Bill of Rights.
>>>>The Court confirmed, that THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE CENT IN
>>>>COMPENSATION, even if their managers STEAL or lose a full sack of
>>>>mail, being a sack full of computer propgrams being sent to the
>>>>Education department of the Government of Cuba!!
>>>>Further, that they are immune from any and all lawsuits!!!
>>>>
>>>>No wonder so many people are having their mail, including registered,
>>>>STOLEN by managers at Canada Post!!!
>>>>
>>>>Ask your government to consider an EMBARGO against Canada Post, until
>>>>they stop stealing mail!!!
>>>>
>>>>Surely the managers in Canada Post are not being paid by the CIA to
>>>>steal mail sent to Cuba??
>
>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:03:13 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>Following all the recent news stories about thefts of mail by Canada
>>>>>>Post, today (7 August 1998) Canada Post is being sued, in two separate lawsuits!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>The most damaging one relates to the disappearance of AN ENTIRE SACK
>>>>>>OF MAIL consisting of approximately 52 pounds of computer programs,
>>>>>>worth more than $4,000.– in a PO sealed sack, destined for a
>>>>>>foreign government department. (The Education department of the Government of Cuba)
>>>>>>The sackful was delivered and sealed on
>>>>>>10th June. According to written admissions from Canada Post, it
>>>>>>somehow “DISAPPEARED” the same day.Alberta Court Docket #P9890306082.
>
>>>>>> One must wonder whether the CIA have “arranged” to have items for Cuba
>>>>>>stolen by Canada Post managers???
>>>>
>>>>>>Mind you, the criminals running Canada Post did not bother to advise
>>>>>>the victim for one month, until 9th July!! It is now 2 months, Canada
>>>>>>Post say they have no idea how the full mail sack disappeared, and
>>>>>>they refuse to pay compensation for their thieves!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>Since normal workers/staff can no longer steal because they are
>>>>>>constantly videotaped, one must assume that managers in canada Post
>>>>>>are somehow involved in the disappearance.
>>>>
>>>>>>At the same time, another lawsuit was filed against Canada Post, in
>>>>>>connection with a “security registered” item, with $3000.– worth of
>>>>>>stamps sent to a representative of a European government, which
>>>>>>”disappeared” last year!!!Alberta Court Docket# p9890306081.
>>>>
>>>>>>Victims are now getting together to organise a major international
>>>>>>campaign.
>>>>
>>>>>>If you have had mail “disappear”, whether ‘lost’ or stolen – SUE
>>>>>>THEM!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>Some of the contact names and phone numbers of the big sh*ts
>>>>>>at Canada Post include:
>>>>
>>>>>>Alfonso Galiano,MP – Minister for Canada Post – 819-997-5421
>>>>>> Jonathan Moser is his gofer – same number
>>>>
>>>>>>Georges Clermont – President of Canada Post – phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>> Sebastian Barnard is his gofer – same number
>>>>
>>>>>>Stewart Bacon – VP Canada Post – phone 613-734-8440
>>>>
>>>>>>Also be sure to send copies of your charges to the Deputy Leader of
>>>>>>the Opposition in the Canadian Parliament, Deborah Grey, MP.
>>>>
>>>>>>In addition to the foregoing, notify all media in your area to run
>>>>>>this story, together with your complaints.
>>>>
>>>>>>Further, foreign postal administrations including USPS are also being
>>>>>>contacted. Perhaps they can be convinced, to again place an EMBARGO on
>>>>>>mail to and from Canada, until such time as Canada Post can ensure the
>>>>>>safety, and reliability of delivery of mail, without it disappearing!!!
>
>
>
>>>>On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 05:35:51 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>Will the US now be able to use the payoff to the bankrupt Canadian
>>>>>insurance company, Confederation Life, as the legal precedent to make
>>>>>Sherritt pay for the theft of the assets of freeport-McMoran??
>
>>>>>>On Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:27:39 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>>>>>It seems that the payoff to the bankrupt Canuck insurance company, now
>>>>>>>sets a legal precedent for Freeport McMoran to collect both from
>>>>>>>Sherritt, and the Cuban government in the World Court.
>
>>>>>>>This should create some interesting situations vis a vis the
>>>>>>>Canadian/US relations, what???
>
>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:40:12 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>Cubans, and Canadian taxpayers also, want to know why did Fidel Castro
>>>>>>>>give Jean Cretin the C$12 Million, as settlement for Confederation
>>>>>>>>Life Insurance??
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Did Fidel not know that Confederation Life had been BANKRUPT FOR MANY
>>>>>>>>YEARS??
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Who is actually getting the $12 million – crooks in Canada, or in
>>>>>>>>Cuba??
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Do the people at Freeport-McMoran now know about this deal, which will
>>>>>>>>now help them when they go to the World Court to collect their
>>>>>>>>reparations??
>>>>
>>>>>>>>After all, if there is a precedent for a Canadian firm, this can then
>>>>>>>>be used to collect by a US firm!!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>>>It seems that the Cubans got swindled by some Canadian crooks????
>>>>
>>>>>On 8 Jul 1998 14:46:25 GMT, [email protected] (Ricardoag) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Wednesday, July 8, 1998
>>>>
>>>>>>Helms won’t let Sherritt off the hook
>>>>
>>>>>>By PETER MORTON
>>>>>>Washington Bureau Chief The Financial Post
>>>>>> Sherritt International Corp. and other foreign companies now in Cuba are
>>>>>>playing a pivotal role in whether a U.S.-European Union deal on investment on
>>>>>>the island will be approved by Congress, industry and government sources say.
>>>>>> Senator Jesse Helms, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is
>>>>>>demanding Toronto-based Sherritt and other companies already swept up by the
>>>>>>Helms-Burton law continue to be punished, sources said yesterday.
>>>>
>>>>>> “Sherritt is seen as the poster boy of Helms-Burton and Helms does not want to
>>>>>>see Sherritt off the hook,” said one industry source close to the U.S.-EU
>>>>>>negotiations.
>>>>
>>>>>> Helms is worried the deal signed by the U.S. and the EU in May would
>>>>>>essentially “immunize” Sherritt and others operating on expropriated property
>>>>>>since any new penalties imposed by the U.S. would be only on investment in Cuba
>>>>>>since then, the source said.
>>>>
>>>>>> “In fact, under the final text of the understanding, a current investor would
>>>>>>even retain the right to pass this property to another EU investor who, in
>>>>>>turn, could use this stolen property in perpetuity all with the blessing of
>>>>>>the U.S. government,” Helms and Benjamin Gilman, chairman of the House
>>>>>>Committee on International Relations, said in a June 17 letter to Secretary of
>>>>>>State Madeline Albright.
>>>>
>>>>>> Sherritt is the largest single foreign investor in property in Cuba
>>>>>>expropriated by President Fidel Castro in 1959. It is mining nickel on property
>>>>>>formerly owned by Freeport-McMoRan Inc. of New Orleans.
>>>>
>>>>>> So far, Sherritt is the one of two foreign companies to be swept up in
>>>>>>Helms-Burton. Its executives, along with those from an Israeli fruit company,
>>>>>>have been barred from entering the U.S. under the Helms-Burton law. No European
>>>>>>companies have fallen under Helms-Burton.
>>>>
>>>>>> EU Trade Commissioner Sir Leon Brittan said yesterday there is no chance the
>>>>>>deal would be re-negotiated to meet Helms’s concerns.
>>>>>> “We’re not agreeable to modifying the agreement,” he said.
>>>>>> The EU is waiting for the U.S. Congress to approve the pact, although Brittan
>>>>>>said he did not receive any indication on when legislation would even be
>>>>>>presented to Congress.
>>>>
>>>>>> The proposed U.S.-EU deal would give President Bill Clinton the right to waive
>>>>>>that part of Helms-Burton, called Title III. He has already waived Title IV,
>>>>>>the section that would allow U.S. companies and citizens to sue foreign
>>>>>>companies for operating on what was once their property in Cuba. There are
>>>>>>5,911 U.S.-recognized claims and lawsuits could be expected to reach billions
>>>>>>of dollars.
>>>>
>>>>>> The agreement would also enable European companies to invest in Iran and Libya
>>>>>>if the EU ensured the two countries’ terrorism campaigns were not being
>>>>>>supported.
>>>>
>>>>>> So far, Ottawa has not signed on to the proposed deal, insisting it is still
>>>>>>looking into the complex agreement, said Leslie Swartman, a spokeswoman for
>>>>>>Trade Minister Sergio Marchi.
>>>>
>>>>>> But Canadian government sources said what happens to Sherritt is a key
>>>>>>consideration in whether the federal government would go along with the U.S.-EU
>>>>>>agreement, try to negotiate a separate deal with the U.S. or simply stay away.
>>>>>> “There is no doubt Sherritt is one consideration,” an official said.
>>>>>> The EU agreed not only not to fund any private venture on confiscated property
>>>>>>in Cuba nor on confiscated property anywhere in the world, something Helms is
>>>>>>looking for, said Robert Muse, a Washington lawyer specializing in Cuba.
>>>>>> “Jesse Helms wants to see such an agreement reached,” he said.
>>>>>> ricardo a. gonzalez
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Subject: WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST/HOLOHOAX?
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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach
>wrote:
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world’s sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>> NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON’T ADD UP
>>
>> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted “to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine.”
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>> With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust “survivors” had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real “bible”, The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>> The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death “in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as “gospel truth”.
>> It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>”extermination camp”.
>>
>> HIMMLER-“REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”
>>
>> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that “The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” (Source,
>>Reitlinger’s book, “The Final Solution.”)
>> The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler’s
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, “Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates.” (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the “shockingly high mortality figures.” (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”
>> With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>”Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals”. It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>> THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, “Books and Bookmen”, April 1975, page 5,
>>”No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.”
>> The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>> This brings up the following questions.
>> 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>> 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>> 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>> 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, “The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them.” (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>> FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>> Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such “confessions” are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the “Confession’ and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>> Hoess statement read, “half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking.”
>> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not “ventable”. The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber “eating and smoking” – without
>>gas masks – only minutes after the gassing – IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>> GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, “The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann” pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>”became immediately gaseous.”
>> The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: “We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air.”
>>
>> CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), “We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped.” If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>> THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT’S ALL! In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18′ doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>> A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer’s book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich.” It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company’s ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>> “The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning.”
>> WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people – this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>> It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was “taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!”
>>
>> WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. “It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps.”
>> Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: “I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.”
>> Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>”The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie – the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time.”
>> Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. “The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.”
>>
>> WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, “Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists.”
>> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, “The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews.”
>> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: “The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews.”
>> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being “anti-Semitic” and “insensitive” to holocaust
>>victims.
>> The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>> A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>> The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don’t use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>> HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.
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On Sun, 15 Nov 1998 02:04:33 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:09:11 +0100, [email protected] (Rainer
>Joswig) wrote:
>>> >>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>>> >> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>>Wasn’t this article written my Dr. I. M. Stupid?
>Not unless that is your professional designation and alias.
>>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach
>>wrote:
>>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>>> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>>> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>>world’s sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>>actual took place.
>>> NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON’T ADD UP
>>> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>>population for that year amounted “to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine.”
>>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>>> With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>>holocaust “survivors” had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>>that in the Jews real “bible”, The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>>> The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>>having been put to death “in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”
>>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>>these figures which today are accepted as “gospel truth”.
>>> It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>>”extermination camp”.
>>> HIMMLER-“REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”
>>> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that “The death rate in the
>>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” (Source,
>>>Reitlinger’s book, “The Final Solution.”)
>>> The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler’s
>>>order on Jan 20, 1943, “Every means will be used to lower the
>>>death rates.” (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>>> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>>in the “shockingly high mortality figures.” (Source: Nuremberg
>>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>>2.8% in June 1943.
>>> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”
>>> With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>>”Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>>Criminals”. It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>> THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>>states in the paper, “Books and Bookmen”, April 1975, page 5,
>>>”No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.”
>>> The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>> This brings up the following questions.
>>> 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>>> 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>>MASS GASSINGS!
>>> 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>>died from typhus.
>>> 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>>the response was always the same, “The detainees themselves have
>>>not spoken of them.” (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>>1946.)
>>> FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>> Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such “confessions” are about
>>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>>1936. The communists wrote the “Confession’ and Hoess signed it.
>>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>>died in his cell.
>>> Hoess statement read, “half an hour after having released the
>>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>>smoking.”
>>> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not “ventable”. The manufacturers state
>>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>>workers ran into the gas chamber “eating and smoking” – without
>>>gas masks – only minutes after the gassing – IF THIS OCCURRED
>>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>> GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, “The Capture and Trial
>>>of Adolph Eichmann” pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>>”became immediately gaseous.”
>>> The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: “We know of
>>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air.”
>>> CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), “We knew when the people
>>>were dead because their screaming stopped.” If anyone were
>>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>>which carry typhus.
>>> THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT’S ALL! In these three
>>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>>ovens were very small with only 18′ doors and a time period of
>>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>>> A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>>William L. Shirer’s book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>>Reich.” It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company’s ovens.
>>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>>> “The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>>burning.”
>>> WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>>> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people – this would
>>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>>ashes.
>>> It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>>could be found. The official answer was that it was “taken to
>>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!”
>>> WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>>1967. “It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>>systematic extermination in those camps.”
>>> Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: “I was at
>>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.”
>>> Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>>”The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie – the
>>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time.”
>>> Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. “The
>>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.”
>>> WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>>holocaust which never occurred?
>>> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, “Not
>>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists.”
>>> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, “The
>>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>>will cowtow to the Jews.”
>>> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: “The shattering effect of
>>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews.”
>>> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>>condemned as being “anti-Semitic” and “insensitive” to holocaust
>>>victims.
>>> The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>>laws.
>>> A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>> The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>>38 years. When they don’t use the holocaust the money collection
>>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>> HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>>Zionist political goals.
>sven 88
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Subject: WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST/HOLOHOAX?
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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach
>wrote:
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world’s sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>> NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON’T ADD UP
>>
>> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted “to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine.”
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>> With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust “survivors” had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real “bible”, The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>> The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death “in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as “gospel truth”.
>> It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>”extermination camp”.
>>
>> HIMMLER-“REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”
>>
>> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that “The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” (Source,
>>Reitlinger’s book, “The Final Solution.”)
>> The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler’s
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, “Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates.” (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the “shockingly high mortality figures.” (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”
>> With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>”Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals”. It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>> THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, “Books and Bookmen”, April 1975, page 5,
>>”No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.”
>> The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>> This brings up the following questions.
>> 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>> 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>> 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>> 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, “The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them.” (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>> FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>> Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such “confessions” are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the “Confession’ and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>> Hoess statement read, “half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking.”
>> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not “ventable”. The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber “eating and smoking” – without
>>gas masks – only minutes after the gassing – IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>> GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, “The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann” pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>”became immediately gaseous.”
>> The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: “We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air.”
>>
>> CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), “We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped.” If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>> THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT’S ALL! In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18′ doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>> A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer’s book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich.” It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company’s ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>> “The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning.”
>> WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people – this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>> It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was “taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!”
>>
>> WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. “It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps.”
>> Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: “I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.”
>> Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>”The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie – the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time.”
>> Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. “The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.”
>>
>> WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, “Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists.”
>> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, “The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews.”
>> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: “The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews.”
>> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being “anti-Semitic” and “insensitive” to holocaust
>>victims.
>> The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>> A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>> The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don’t use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>> HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.
From [email protected] Thu Dec 31 00:22:33 EST 1998
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On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:33:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 1998 20:32:10 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:45:53 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Commercializing’ the Holocaust
>>
>>The Los Angeles Wiesenthal Center pays the Vienna “Nazi Hunter” $75,000 a year for the use of his name, the director of Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust
>>center said in 1988.
>>
>>Both the Center and Wiesenthal “commercialize” and “trivialize” the Holocaust, the director added.
>>
>>Wiesenthal “threw out” the figure of “11 million who were murdered in the Holocaust — six million Jews and five million non-Jews,” said the Yad
>>Vashem official. When asked why he gave these figures, Wiesenthal replied: “The gentiles will not pay attention if we do not mention their victims,
>>too.” Wiesenthal “chose ‘five million (gentiles)’ because he wanted a ‘diplomatic’ number, one that told of a large number of gentile victims but in
>>no way was larger than that of Jews …”
>>
>>”What Wiesenthal and the Los Angeles Center that bears his name do is to trivialize the Holocaust,” commented The Jewish Press, a weekly that claims
>>to be the largest-circulation English-language Jewish community paper in America.
>>
>>In recent years Wiesenthal has been concerned about the growing impact of Holocaust revisionism. In “A Message from Simon Wiesenthal” published by the
>>Center that bears his name, he said: “Today, when I see the rise of antisemitism here in Europe … the popularity of Le Pen, of David Duke, of the
>>Holocaust revisionists, then I am convinced more than ever about the need for our new [Wiesenthal Center] Beit Hashoah-Museum of Tolerance” in Los
>>Angeles.
>>
>>Wiesenthal is often asked why he does not forgive those who persecuted Jews half a century ago. His stock answer is that although he has the right to
>>forgive for himself, he does not have the right to forgive on behalf of others.On the basis of this sophistical logic, though, neither does he have
>>the right to accuse and track down anyone in the name of others. Wiesenthal has never confined his “hunt” to those who victimized him personally.
>>
>>END OF ARTICLE (From Radio Islam http://www.radioislam.org)
>>
>>Sadly the above portrayal is the type of crazy person that results from zionist breeding (inbreeding ?) and zionist brainwashing.
>>
>>A proof that zionism makes the human mind go crazy by it’s demands on adherents that they believe the unbelievable.
>>
>>I , Abu Jihad , have dealt with and seen too many screaming zionist crazies on these newsgroups to believe that this is an isolated phenomenon.
>>Sometimes one can almost feel these rabid “jewish” zionists foaming at the mouth like demented creatures of the Twilight Zone as they clatter away at
>>their keyboards with their transmogrifying hands-cum-paws. Trying desperately to hide the truth about Satanic World Zionism and the Satanic Zionist
>>Occupation of Palestine. But God has truly cursed them and now more and more people are spreading the truth about their lying ways. On USENET. On the
>>Web. On Radio (what little of it that remains free of Zionist “jewish” control- and that’s very little). Slowly but surely more and more people are
>>waking up to the reality of Zionist control and conspiracy of the world’s media , resources and markets.
>>
>>Their devious manipulation and world-wide control of the newsmedia and newspapers turning them into JEWSMEDIA and JEWSPAPERS.
>>
>>Their USURY ,and swindling of the world financial system Look at Wall Street for example Wall Street is a hornet’s nest of scheming Jewish thieves and
>>criminals.In the 1980s four men nearly destroyed Wall Street,the four–Michael Milken, Ivan Boesky, Dennis Levine, and Martin Siegel–are Jews, and
>>they stole billions of dollars.Not to forget to mention George Soros and the other International Jewish Bankers who have raped Thailand , Malaysia ,
>>Britain , Indonesia by speculating on their currencies. Yet again we see the pattern emerging of the International Jew-Zionist rampant throughout the
>>world’s Nations in search of profits and destroying whole Nations’ economies in the process.
>>
>>
>>
>>ABU JIHAD …The voice from the desert crying out for all to see the rising danger before it is too late.
>>
>>**************************************************
>>VISIT Radio Islam http://www.radioislam.org
>>**************************************************
>>———————————————————————————————————————————-
>>TO ALL THE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD :
>>SATANIC ZIONISM IS THE ENEMY OF ALL THE WORLD’S PEOPLE
>>UNITE TO FREE YOURSELF FROM THE “jewish” ZIONIST SHACKLES AND CHAINS BINDING YOU !!!
>>FREE PALESTINE FROM ZIONIST OCCUPATION
>>NO MORE HOLOHOAX LIES
>>NO MORE JEWSMEDIA LIES.
>>NO MORE JEWSMEDIA PERIOD.
>>NO MORE JEWSPAPERS HIDING THE PALESTINIAN HOLOCAUST.
>>NO MORE JEWSPAPERS PERIOD.
>>
>>
>>ABU JIHAD
>
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On Tue, 03 Nov 1998 20:32:10 GMT, [email protected]hid.orgy
wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:45:53 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>Commercializing’ the Holocaust
>>
>>The Los Angeles Wiesenthal Center pays the Vienna “Nazi Hunter” $75,000 a year for the use of his name, the director of Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust
>>center said in 1988.
>>
>>Both the Center and Wiesenthal “commercialize” and “trivialize” the Holocaust, the director added.
>>
>>Wiesenthal “threw out” the figure of “11 million who were murdered in the Holocaust — six million Jews and five million non-Jews,” said the Yad
>>Vashem official. When asked why he gave these figures, Wiesenthal replied: “The gentiles will not pay attention if we do not mention their victims,
>>too.” Wiesenthal “chose ‘five million (gentiles)’ because he wanted a ‘diplomatic’ number, one that told of a large number of gentile victims but in
>>no way was larger than that of Jews …”
>>
>>”What Wiesenthal and the Los Angeles Center that bears his name do is to trivialize the Holocaust,” commented The Jewish Press, a weekly that claims
>>to be the largest-circulation English-language Jewish community paper in America.
>>
>>In recent years Wiesenthal has been concerned about the growing impact of Holocaust revisionism. In “A Message from Simon Wiesenthal” published by the
>>Center that bears his name, he said: “Today, when I see the rise of antisemitism here in Europe … the popularity of Le Pen, of David Duke, of the
>>Holocaust revisionists, then I am convinced more than ever about the need for our new [Wiesenthal Center] Beit Hashoah-Museum of Tolerance” in Los
>>Angeles.
>>
>>Wiesenthal is often asked why he does not forgive those who persecuted Jews half a century ago. His stock answer is that although he has the right to
>>forgive for himself, he does not have the right to forgive on behalf of others.On the basis of this sophistical logic, though, neither does he have
>>the right to accuse and track down anyone in the name of others. Wiesenthal has never confined his “hunt” to those who victimized him personally.
>>
>>END OF ARTICLE (From Radio Islam http://www.radioislam.org)
>>
>>Sadly the above portrayal is the type of crazy person that results from zionist breeding (inbreeding ?) and zionist brainwashing.
>>
>>A proof that zionism makes the human mind go crazy by it’s demands on adherents that they believe the unbelievable.
>>
>>I , Abu Jihad , have dealt with and seen too many screaming zionist crazies on these newsgroups to believe that this is an isolated phenomenon.
>>Sometimes one can almost feel these rabid “jewish” zionists foaming at the mouth like demented creatures of the Twilight Zone as they clatter away at
>>their keyboards with their transmogrifying hands-cum-paws. Trying desperately to hide the truth about Satanic World Zionism and the Satanic Zionist
>>Occupation of Palestine. But God has truly cursed them and now more and more people are spreading the truth about their lying ways. On USENET. On the
>>Web. On Radio (what little of it that remains free of Zionist “jewish” control- and that’s very little). Slowly but surely more and more people are
>>waking up to the reality of Zionist control and conspiracy of the world’s media , resources and markets.
>>
>>Their devious manipulation and world-wide control of the newsmedia and newspapers turning them into JEWSMEDIA and JEWSPAPERS.
>>
>>Their USURY ,and swindling of the world financial system Look at Wall Street for example Wall Street is a hornet’s nest of scheming Jewish thieves and
>>criminals.In the 1980s four men nearly destroyed Wall Street,the four–Michael Milken, Ivan Boesky, Dennis Levine, and Martin Siegel–are Jews, and
>>they stole billions of dollars.Not to forget to mention George Soros and the other International Jewish Bankers who have raped Thailand , Malaysia ,
>>Britain , Indonesia by speculating on their currencies. Yet again we see the pattern emerging of the International Jew-Zionist rampant throughout the
>>world’s Nations in search of profits and destroying whole Nations’ economies in the process.
>>
>>
>>
>>ABU JIHAD …The voice from the desert crying out for all to see the rising danger before it is too late.
>>
>>**************************************************
>>VISIT Radio Islam http://www.radioislam.org
>>**************************************************
>>———————————————————————————————————————————-
>>TO ALL THE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD :
>>SATANIC ZIONISM IS THE ENEMY OF ALL THE WORLD’S PEOPLE
>>UNITE TO FREE YOURSELF FROM THE “jewish” ZIONIST SHACKLES AND CHAINS BINDING YOU !!!
>>FREE PALESTINE FROM ZIONIST OCCUPATION
>>NO MORE HOLOHOAX LIES
>>NO MORE JEWSMEDIA LIES.
>>NO MORE JEWSMEDIA PERIOD.
>>NO MORE JEWSPAPERS HIDING THE PALESTINIAN HOLOCAUST.
>>NO MORE JEWSPAPERS PERIOD.
>>
>>
>>ABU JIHAD
On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:33:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
From [email protected] Thu Dec 31 00:22:35 EST 1998
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On 29 Dec 1998 20:55:39 GMT, [email protected] (DonJose) wrote:
>>>This, even though there is no law in Canada permitting this!!!
>>
>>>Rabbi Michael Levenson of Temple Shalom admits that his actions are
>>>illegal.
>>
>
>He is wrong. In the Anglo-Saxon legal tradition the rule is that, if something
>is not banned, it is legal. To the best of my knowledge, there is no law in
>Canada that bans same-sex marriages.
Under Canadian law, marriages are only legal if between the 2
different sexes, not for faggots!!!
Check your Criminal Code for example…
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Actually, the full text of the article follows, rather than the edited
false text
On Tue, 03 Nov 1998 20:32:10 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:45:53 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>Commercializing’ the Holocaust
>>
>>The Los Angeles Wiesenthal Center pays the Vienna “Nazi Hunter” $75,000 a year for the use of his name, the director of Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust
>>center said in 1988.
>>
>>Both the Center and Wiesenthal “commercialize” and “trivialize” the Holocaust, the director added.
>>
>>Wiesenthal “threw out” the figure of “11 million who were murdered in the Holocaust — six million Jews and five million non-Jews,” said the Yad
>>Vashem official. When asked why he gave these figures, Wiesenthal replied: “The gentiles will not pay attention if we do not mention their victims,
>>too.” Wiesenthal “chose ‘five million (gentiles)’ because he wanted a ‘diplomatic’ number, one that told of a large number of gentile victims but in
>>no way was larger than that of Jews …”
>>
>>”What Wiesenthal and the Los Angeles Center that bears his name do is to trivialize the Holocaust,” commented The Jewish Press, a weekly that claims
>>to be the largest-circulation English-language Jewish community paper in America.
>>
>>In recent years Wiesenthal has been concerned about the growing impact of Holocaust revisionism. In “A Message from Simon Wiesenthal” published by the
>>Center that bears his name, he said: “Today, when I see the rise of antisemitism here in Europe … the popularity of Le Pen, of David Duke, of the
>>Holocaust revisionists, then I am convinced more than ever about the need for our new [Wiesenthal Center] Beit Hashoah-Museum of Tolerance” in Los
>>Angeles.
>>
>>Wiesenthal is often asked why he does not forgive those who persecuted Jews half a century ago. His stock answer is that although he has the right to
>>forgive for himself, he does not have the right to forgive on behalf of others.On the basis of this sophistical logic, though, neither does he have
>>the right to accuse and track down anyone in the name of others. Wiesenthal has never confined his “hunt” to those who victimized him personally.
>>
>>END OF ARTICLE (From Radio Islam http://www.radioislam.org)
>>
>>Sadly the above portrayal is the type of crazy person that results from zionist breeding (inbreeding ?) and zionist brainwashing.
>>
>>A proof that zionism makes the human mind go crazy by it’s demands on adherents that they believe the unbelievable.
>>
>>I , Abu Jihad , have dealt with and seen too many screaming zionist crazies on these newsgroups to believe that this is an isolated phenomenon.
>>Sometimes one can almost feel these rabid “jewish” zionists foaming at the mouth like demented creatures of the Twilight Zone as they clatter away at
>>their keyboards with their transmogrifying hands-cum-paws. Trying desperately to hide the truth about Satanic World Zionism and the Satanic Zionist
>>Occupation of Palestine. But God has truly cursed them and now more and more people are spreading the truth about their lying ways. On USENET. On the
>>Web. On Radio (what little of it that remains free of Zionist “jewish” control- and that’s very little). Slowly but surely more and more people are
>>waking up to the reality of Zionist control and conspiracy of the world’s media , resources and markets.
>>
>>Their devious manipulation and world-wide control of the newsmedia and newspapers turning them into JEWSMEDIA and JEWSPAPERS.
>>
>>Their USURY ,and swindling of the world financial system Look at Wall Street for example Wall Street is a hornet’s nest of scheming Jewish thieves and
>>criminals.In the 1980s four men nearly destroyed Wall Street,the four–Michael Milken, Ivan Boesky, Dennis Levine, and Martin Siegel–are Jews, and
>>they stole billions of dollars.Not to forget to mention George Soros and the other International Jewish Bankers who have raped Thailand , Malaysia ,
>>Britain , Indonesia by speculating on their currencies. Yet again we see the pattern emerging of the International Jew-Zionist rampant throughout the
>>world’s Nations in search of profits and destroying whole Nations’ economies in the process.
>>
>>
>>
>>ABU JIHAD …The voice from the desert crying out for all to see the rising danger before it is too late.
>>
>>**************************************************
>>VISIT Radio Islam http://www.radioislam.org
>>**************************************************
>>———————————————————————————————————————————-
>>TO ALL THE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD :
>>SATANIC ZIONISM IS THE ENEMY OF ALL THE WORLD’S PEOPLE
>>UNITE TO FREE YOURSELF FROM THE “jewish” ZIONIST SHACKLES AND CHAINS BINDING YOU !!!
>>FREE PALESTINE FROM ZIONIST OCCUPATION
>>NO MORE HOLOHOAX LIES
>>NO MORE JEWSMEDIA LIES.
>>NO MORE JEWSMEDIA PERIOD.
>>NO MORE JEWSPAPERS HIDING THE PALESTINIAN HOLOCAUST.
>>NO MORE JEWSPAPERS PERIOD.
>>
>>
>>ABU JIHAD
On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:32:20 GMT, TGehring
>[email protected] wrote:
>> >>———————————————————————————————————————————-
>> >>TO ALL THE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD :
>> >>SATANIC ZIONISM IS THE ENEMY OF ALL THE WORLD’S PEOPLE
>> >>UNITE TO FREE YOURSELF FROM THE “jewish” ZIONIST SHACKLES AND CHAINS BINDING YOU !!!
>> >>FREE PALESTINE FROM ZIONIST OCCUPATION
>> >>NO MORE HOLOHOAX LIES
>> >>NO MORE JEWSMEDIA LIES.
>> >>NO MORE JEWSMEDIA PERIOD.
>> >>NO MORE JEWSPAPERS HIDING THE PALESTINIAN HOLOCAUST.
>> >>NO MORE JEWSPAPERS PERIOD.
>> >>ABU JIHAD
>Look. Muslims have many countries to call their own, as do Christians and Buddhists and all the rest. The Jews have Israel, and that’s it. Let them have
>it and leave ’em the hell alone. All they’re asking for is a nation where they can be Jews without having to worry about greedy pigs like yourself taking
>their rights.
>
>
>TGehring
>Smithfield, Virginia, USA
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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach
>wrote:
>
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>>
>> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world’s sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>>
>> NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON’T ADD UP
>>
>> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted “to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine.”
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>> With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust “survivors” had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real “bible”, The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>> The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death “in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as “gospel truth”.
>> It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>”extermination camp”.
>>
>> HIMMLER-“REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”
>>
>> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that “The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” (Source,
>>Reitlinger’s book, “The Final Solution.”)
>> The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler’s
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, “Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates.” (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the “shockingly high mortality figures.” (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”
>> With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>”Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals”. It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>> THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, “Books and Bookmen”, April 1975, page 5,
>>”No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.”
>> The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>> This brings up the following questions.
>> 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>> 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>> 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>> 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, “The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them.” (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>> FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>> Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such “confessions” are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the “Confession’ and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>> Hoess statement read, “half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking.”
>> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not “ventable”. The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber “eating and smoking” – without
>>gas masks – only minutes after the gassing – IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>> GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, “The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann” pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>”became immediately gaseous.”
>> The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: “We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air.”
>>
>> CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), “We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped.” If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>> THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT’S ALL! In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18′ doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>> A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer’s book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich.” It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company’s ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>> “The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning.”
>> WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people – this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>> It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was “taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!”
>>
>> WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. “It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps.”
>> Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: “I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.”
>> Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>”The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie – the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time.”
>> Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. “The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.”
>>
>> WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, “Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists.”
>> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, “The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews.”
>> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: “The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews.”
>> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being “anti-Semitic” and “insensitive” to holocaust
>>victims.
>> The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>> A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>> The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don’t use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>> HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.
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Subject: Re: Winnipeg Rabbi to Marry faggots
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On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 06:13:38 GMT, Kaz
>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>> On 29 Dec 1998 20:55:39 GMT, [email protected] (DonJose) wrote:
>>
>> >>>This, even though there is no law in Canada permitting this!!!
>> >>
>> >>>Rabbi Michael Levenson of Temple Shalom admits that his actions are
>> >>>illegal.
>> >>
>> >
>> >He is wrong. In the Anglo-Saxon legal tradition the rule is that, if something
>> >is not banned, it is legal. To the best of my knowledge, there is no law in
>> >Canada that bans same-sex marriages.
>>
>> Under Canadian law, marriages are only legal if between the 2
>> different sexes, not for faggots!!!
>>
>> Check your Criminal Code for example…
>
>Since you are refering to the Criminal Code. Check Canadian Code – you
>are breaking this Code through the distribution of the hate and racist
>propaganda. You’ll finally see the checkered Edmonton sky, fuckhead.
>
>Kaz
Care to show what constitutes the alleged “breaking the Code”,
in reporting on a published news story, feces-face??
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Subject: Homosexuality Originated With Jews!? Deny The TORAH and Continue Homosexual Lifestyle?
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:14:34 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:01:35 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>in support of his jew faggot lovers:
>>>On 1 Jul 1998 20:49:49 GMT, [email protected] (Billy Bob
>>>Throckmorton) wrote:
>>>>In article
>>>>says…
>>>>>On 1 Jul 1998 12:17:04 GMT, Doc Tavish, hiding behind
>>>>
>>>>>>How many Jews have you ever seen denounce this filthy
>>>>>>lifestyle? See what I mean!?
>
>>>>>ROTFL!!! Why should we denounce it?
>
>>>>So you do approve what G-d has condemned? Very interesting indeed. It shows
>>>>why Jews have been vomited out of all the lands they have infested if one
>>>>is to accept the Torah!
>
>>>>>It’s part of the plan to destroy the filthy, inferior ary*n race!
>>>>>Encouraging ary*n homosexuality (pretty easy to do, since they’re
>>>>>already so prone to it) helps keep the white birth rate down.
>
>>>>So you are confessing now that Jews aren’t white also?
>
>>>>>Every little bit helps…
>
>>>>Your simple admission tells all that homosexuality comes
>>>>from Jews! In my studies of the Jew I have learned that the Law
>>>>given to Moses was for Jews only and not for the people of the
>>>>nations or the Goy.
>
>>>>See: http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=325176411
>>>>and
>>>>http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=364072939
>>>>Subject: The Noachide Laws
>
>>>>What does G-d require from non-Jews?
>>>>————————————————————–
>
>>>>Our sages teach us that G-d gave seven laws or commandments that are
>>>>binding on all humanity. The first six of these laws were given to
>>>>Adam. Because the last of these seven commandments was given to Noah
>>>>and his sons, the seven laws are collectively referred to as “the
>>>>Noachide Laws”, or “the Commandments of Noah’s Sons”.
>
>>>>The Noachide Laws are:
>
>>>>1. Not to worship idols;
>>>>2. Not to curse G-d;
>>>>3. To establish courts of justice (some say, not to pervert justice);
>>>>4. Not to murder;
>>>>5. Not to commit adultery or incest;
>>>>6. Not to steal;
>>>>7. Not to eat flesh from a living animal.
>
>>>>The Oral Law (the Talmud) teaches clearly that whoever obeys these
>>>>seven commandments has a portion in the world to come.
>
>>>> Abraham was the first person in history to publicly proclaim the
>>>>Noachide Laws to the masses, although there certainly were righteous
>>>>persons before Abraham who knew these commandments and practiced them
>>>>(Noah himself, to name just one).
>
>>>>The Torah was given exclusively to the Jews, along with the
>>>>responsibility to inform the world of the universal commandments.
>>>> ———–END————
>
>>>>I guess this is why homosexual acts were mentioned in your Torah! It
>>>>appears you Jew boys liked buggering each other up the ass thousands of
>>>>years ago. If this weren’t true then why would
>>>>G-d have told Moses (as depicted in the Jewish Torah):
>
>>>>http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/vtx/chumash
>
>>>>Acharey Mot, Leviticus Chapter 18
>
>>>>18 : 22 Do not lie with a male as you would with a woman, since this
>>>>is a disgusting perversion.
>>>>18 : 23 Do not perform any sexual act with an animal, since it will
>>>>defile you. A woman shall [likewise] not give herself to an animal and
>>>>allow it to mate with her. This is an utterly detestable perversion.
>>>>18 : 24 Do not let yourselves be defiled by any of these acts. It was
>>>>as a result of them that the nations that I am driving away before you
>>>>became defiled.
>>>>18 : 25 The land became defiled, and when I directed My providence at
>>>>the sin committed there, the land vomited out its inhabitants.
>>>>18 : 26 You, [however,] must keep My decrees and laws, and not become
>>>>involved in any of these disgusting perversions – neither the native
>>>>born nor any foreigner who settles among you.
>>>>18 : 27 The people who lived in the land before you did all these
>>>>disgusting perversions and defiled the land.
>>>>18 : 28 But [you shall not cause] the land to vomit you out when you
>>>>defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was there before you.
>
>>>>The same Torah also says:
>>>>Chumash References
>>>>Kedoshim, Leviticus Chapter 20
>
>>>>20 : 7 You must sanctify yourselves and be holy, for I am God your
>>>>Lord.
>>>>20 : 8 Safeguard My decrees and keep them, since I am God [and] I am
>>>>making you holy.
>>>>20 : 9 Any person who curses his father or mother shall therefore be
>>>>put to death. Since he has cursed his father or mother, he shall be
>>>>stoned to death.
>>>>20 : 10 If a man commits adultery with a married woman, [and] she is
>>>>the wife of a fellow [Israelite], both the adulterer and adulteress
>>>>shall be put to death.
>>>>20 : 11 If a man has intercourse with his father’s wife, he has
>>>>committed a sexual offense against his father. Therefore, both of them
>>>>shall be put to death by stoning.
>>>>20 : 12 If a man has intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of
>>>>them shall be put to death. Since they have committed an utterly
>>>>detestable perversion, they shall be stoned to death.
>>>>20 : 13 If a man has intercourse with another man in the same manner
>>>>as with a woman, both of them have committed a disgusting perversion.
>>>>They shall be put to death by stoning.
>
>>>>>BTW, for information on rampant homosexuality amongst your
>>>>>ary*n “heroes:” see “The Pink Swatstika:”
>
>>>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~lively/
>
>>>>I could care less but Jeffrey Georg Brown may be interested.
>>>>I hope and pray that America “vomits” out its filth soon as well!
>>>>You all will not be missed!
>
>>>> Billy Bob
>
>>>>>Bob Alpert * balpert “at” netaxs.com * Author of the Jewish Conspiracy
>>>sven88
Further, is the recent news story about the JEW Rabbi now illegally
marrying faggots.
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On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:04:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>In a move sure to anger orthodox Jews, as well as normal humans, newspapers
>across Canada report that a Winnipeg synagogue will perform marriages
>of same sex persons.
>This, even though there is no law in Canada permitting this!!!
>Rabbi Michael Levenson of Temple Shalom admits that his actions are
>illegal.
If his actions are illegal, why don’t the authorities send him to
jail??
>He is quoted as saying that his ceremonies will be recognised
>from a religious point of view, not a political one. Levenson alleges
>that members of his temple supposedly supported his action. However,
>even normal Jews are criticising this action. It seems that what this
>Jew is doing, is NOT acceptable, according to the Torah.
No wonder people think of the jews as mainly sodomites.
On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 00:41:36 -0500, “Phil Essing”
>Why do you hide your true identity and email? Is it because you are ashamed
>of your own views?
>-Phil
>[email protected] wrote in message
><[email protected]>…
>>In a move sure to anger orthodox Jews, as well as normal humans, newspapers
>>across Canada report that a Winnipeg synagogue will perform marriages
>>of same sex persons. (should that read perverts?)
>>This, even though there is no law in Canada permitting this!!!
>>Rabbi Michael Levenson of Temple Shalom admits that his actions are
>>illegal. He is quoted as saying that his ceremonies will be recognised
>>from a religious point of view, not a political one. Levenson alleges
>>that members of his temple supposedly supported his action. However,
>>even normal Jews are criticising this action. It seems that what this
>>Jew is doing, is NOT acceptable, according to the Torah.
