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This story, documented by a well respected Jewish writer, was carried
in many other newspapers across Canada.
The Zionist murderers are angry that it was written by a Jew, to tell
the TRUTH for a change!!!
On 17 Dec 1998 08:05:54 GMT, “Koshercook”
wrote:
>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and
>Still Hide It From Us…]
>Archived for Scholarly Study
>From the Toronto Sun – December 13, 1998
>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor
>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of
>that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th
>anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists
>now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be reminded of the Unknown
>Holocaust.
>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin
>determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent farmers – called
>kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine’s
>growing spirit of nationalism.
>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow – earlier
>versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into
>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of
>recalcitrant farmers.
>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU
>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many
>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of
>death – mass starvation.
>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
>Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used
>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine
>cased one million deaths.)
>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing
>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel.
>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar
>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet
>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of
>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named
>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.
>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch
>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus
>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.
>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s custom-made famine and
>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB’s archives, and
>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died.
>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five
>percent of Ukraine’s population was exterminated. Millions of victims
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million
>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia,
>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR;
>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide
>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war
>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
Note that this article is written by a well regarded Jewish writer in
Canada!!!
>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes
>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and
>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both
>communism and their suffering.
> As a direct result, during the subsequent
>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the
>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s Jews by
>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been
>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler
>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before
>the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or
>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day.
>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM
>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed
>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not see one
>under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent Walter
>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of
>famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million people were dying around
>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated
>Duranty’s lies.
>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical
>roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime – the inevitable
>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of
>Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian genocide and
>Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him as an ally
>during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,”
>murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.
>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought
>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago,
>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state
>pension.
On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:47:21 -0800, [email protected] (“Expat
Authority”) wrote:
>I have read some anti-Jewish postings on this NG… I say: stop!
>You know, I think that it is unfair to stereotype! You are saying that all
>Jews are bad, bloodsuckers etc.
>Yes there are people like that among the Jewish community there.
>EA
>*** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ***
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On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:25:45 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>From Deja News is the attached article,certainly worth further
>>discussion
>>On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:41:19 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:52:09 -0500, [email protected] (Eugene
>>>Holman) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Would any readers of soc.culture.polish care to comment on the claims made
>>>>here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1. WHAT PROOF EXISTS THAT THE NAZIS PRACTICED GENOCIDE OR
>>>>DELIBERATELY KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS?
>>>>
>>>> None. The only evidence is the contradictory testimony of
>>>>individual “survivors”, and no “survivor” claims actually to have
>>>>witnessed any gassing. There is no hard evidence whatsoever. No mounds
>>>>of ashes, no piles of clothes, no crematoria capable of doing the job,
>>>>no human soap, no lampshades made out of human skin, no records, no
>>>>demographic statistics.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand there exists extensive evidence of a
>>>>forensic, demographic, analytical, documentary, anecdotal, and
>>>>comparative nature which clearly proves the impossibility of such a
>>>>figure as six million Jewish dead, an exaggeration of possibly 1000%.
>>>> >I can offer some coins, stamps for collectors/collections, even a
>>>>> >military parachute, as well as Malaysian 22k plated gold jewellery.
>>>
>>>Quite frankly, by reading the attached text, which proves that almost
>>>half of the original 600,000 JEWs in Germany were in the German
>>>military, one MUST question the alleged figures used by the JEWS to
>>>extort money from gullible governments!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>> 2. HOW DID GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS DIFFER FROM AMERICAN
>>>>RELOCATION CAMPS WHICH INTERNED JAPANESE AND GERMAN-AMERICANS DURING
>>>>WORLD
>>>>WAR TWO?
>>>
>>>> Except for the name, the only difference was that the Germans
>>>>interned persons who were a real or suspected threat to the German war
>>>>effort, whereas the Americans interned persons on the basis of their
>>>>race or national origin alone.
>>>
>>>> 3. WHY DID THE GERMAN AUTHORITIES INTERN JEWS IN THE
>>>>CONCENTRATION CAMPS?
>>>
>>>> Because the Germans considered the Jews a direct threat to
>>>>their national sovereignty and survival, correctly as it turned out.
>>>>Jews were overwhelmingly represented in Germany in Communist subversion
>>>>during the Weimar period. On a per capita basis, Jews were highly
>>>>overrepresented in government, commercial, and media positions.
>>>>However, ALL suspected security risks, not just Jews, were in danger of
>>>>internment once the war broke out.
>>>
>>>> On March 24th, 1933, international Jewry declared war on
>>>>Germany and ordered a world-wide boycott of German goods simply because
>>>>the German government had removed Jews from influential positions and
>>>>transferred power back to the German people. The boycott order and the
>>>>Jewish war against Germany were reported in the world print and
>>>>broadcast media of the time. False stories of German “death camps” were
>>>>in fact circulated even before the outbreak of World War Two. Therefore
>>>>the German view of the Jewish people as enemy aliens would seem to have
>>>>been fully justified.
>>>
>>>> 4. DID SIMON WIESENTHAL ONCE ADMIT THAT THERE WERE NEVER ANY
>>>>DEATH CAMPS ON GERMAN SOIL?
>>>
>>>> Yes. In *Books and Bookmen*, April 1975 issue. He claims the
>>>>gassing of all the Jews took place in Poland.
>>>
>>>> 5. DACHAU IS IN GERMANY. IF EVEN SIMON WIESENTHAL NOW ADMITS IT
>>>>WAS NOT A DEATH CAMP, WHY DO THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN VETERANS SAY IT WAS?
>>>
>>>> Because after the Allies captured Dachau (and incidentally
>>>>murdered dozens of the former staff without trial), thousands of GIs
>>>>were led through the camp and shown buildings alleged to be gas
>>>>chambers. This story was later quietly expunged from official Holocaust
>>>>lore because it became too difficult to maintain in the face of known
>>>>fact and because Dachau was in the Allied occupation zone where access
>>>>to the camp was too easy and unrestricted.
>>>
>>>> En passant, the brief lifespan of the “Dachau death camp”
>>>>version gave rise to the first critical examination and questioning of
>>>>the Holocaust myth by historians and by some Allied veterans who
>>>>noticed discrepancies in what they had seen and what they read in
>>>>official accounts. It would be many years, though, before this early
>>>>Holocaust Revisionism gained momentum.
>>>
>>>> 6. AUSCHWITZ IS IN POLAND, NOT GERMANY. IS THERE ANY PROOF THAT
>>>>GAS CHAMBERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF KILLING PEOPLE EXISTED AT AUSCHWITZ?
>>>
>>>> No. The “gas chamber” exhibited to tourists at Auschwitz could
>>>>not possibly have been used to carry out executions; it is far too
>>>>small and it is not even airtight. In the 1980s, American expert Fred
>>>>Leuchter, who builds gas chambers for American penal systems, took
>>>>scrapings from the walls of the Auschwitz “gas chamber” for chemical
>>>>analysis. He found no cyanide residue at all. The Auschwitz exhibit is
>>>>a fake, pure and simple, a flimsy tourist trap.
>>>
>>>
>>>Were not the Krema at Auschwitz built by the Polish communists in
>>>1949, long after the war???
>>>
>>>
>>>> 7. IS AUSCHWITZ WASN’T A DEATH CAMP, WHAT WAS ITS TRUE PURPOSE?
>>>
>>>> It was a large-scale manufacturing complex. Synthetic rubber
>>>>(Buna) was made there, and its inmates were used as a workforce, in the
>>>>same way in which inmate labor is increasingly being used in
>>>>correctional systems throughout the United States today.
>>>
>>>> 8. WHAT ABOUT THE INFAMOUS ZYKLON-B GAS?
>>>
>>>> Zyklon-B is a commercially manufactured compound of hydrocyanic
>>>>gas. It has a number of widespread industrial uses, including the
>>>>fumigation of lice-infested clothing, the purpose for which it was
>>>>applied at Auschwitz. Zyklon-B is still manufactured worldwide and is
>>>>commonly used and available today.
>>>
>>>> 9. IF AUSCHWITZ WAS NOT AN EXTERMINATION CAMP, WHY DID FORMER
>>>>COMMANDANT RUDOLF HOESS CONFESS THAT IT WAS?
>>>
>>>> Hoess was captured by the Russians and Polish Communists and
>>>>brutally tortured. He signed his confession, the SOLE SOURCE for the
>>>>figure of six million dead Jews, in English, a language he could not
>>>>read. Some pages of the original document are literally stained with
>>>>Hoess’ blood. Hoess was then conveniently executed so he could not be
>>>>cross examined.
>>>
>>>> 10. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FULLY TO VENTILATE AN AREA FUMIGATED
>>>>WITH ZYKLON-B?
>>>
>>>> About twenty hours. The whole procedure is extremely involved
>>>>and technical. Gas masks have to be used and well trained technicians
>>>>only are employed.
>>>
>>>> 11. RUDOLF HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD
>>>>ENTER THE GAS CHAMBER TEN MINUTES AFTER THE JEWS HAD DIED AND REMOVE
>>>>THE BODIES. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS?
>>>
>>>> It can’t be explained, because it could not have happened like
>>>>that. Had the Germans done this they would have suffered the same fate
>>>>as the allegedly exterminated Jews.
>>>
>>>> 12. HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD SMOKE
>>>>CIGARETTES AS THEY PULLED DEAD JEWS OUT OF CHAMBERS WHICH TEN MINUTES
>>>>BEFORE HAD BEEN FILLED WITH GAS. ISN’T ZYKLON-B EXPLOSIVE?
>>>
>>>> Highly so. The Hoess confession is obviously false and the six
>>>>million figure as well.
>>>
>>>> 13. HOW COULD SUCH A MASS MURDER PROGRAM HAVE BEEN KEPT SECRET
>>>>FROM JEWS WHO WERE SCHEDULED FOR EXECUTION? HOW COULD THE POPE, THE
>>>>VATICAN, THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS, AND ALLIED MILITARY INTELLIGENCE
>>>>NOT KNOW?
>>>
>>>> Given the acknowledged efficiency and penetration of the OSS,
>>>>British MI5, and Soviet NKVD into the Third Reich, it could not have
>>>>been kept secret. Nor can one imagine any reason for the Allies, who
>>>>were fighting to destroy Germany, not to make use of such a potentially
>>>>powerful propaganda weapon, had there been any contemporary evidence at
>>>>all during the war that such an event was occurring.
>>>
>>>> 14. HOW MANY JEWS ACTUALLY DIED IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS
>>>>DURING THE WAR?
>>>
>>>> About 300,000.
>>>
>>>> 15. HOW DID THEY DIE?
>>>
>>>> Mainly from recurring typhus epidemics that ravaged war-torn
>>>>Europe during the period. Typhus is a disease which invariably appears
>>>>whenever people are jammed together for long periods without bathing.
>>>>It is carried by lice which infects hair and clothes. Ironically, if
>>>>the Germans had used more Zyklon-B for disinfectant purposes, more Jews
>>>>might have survived the concentration camps. Jewish prisoners (as well
>>>>as many others) also died from starvation and lack of medical attention
>>>>towards the end of the war when virtually all rail and road transport
>>>>had come to a standstill due to the intense Allied bombing campaign.
>>>
>>>> 16. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WHETHER SIX MILLION JEWS OR 300,000
>>>>DIED?
>>>
>>>> 5,700,00. The key question is whether or not there was a
>>>>deliberate, systematic attempt on the part of the Third Reich to
>>>>exterminate the Jews of Europe. The evidence clearly shows that there
>>>>was not, and the focus of world attention now needs to shift to the
>>>>identity, the activities, and the financial and political motivations
>>>>of those who have inflicted on all humanity for the past fifty years
>>>>the grotesque, slanderous, and evil lie that there was a “Holocaust”.
>>>
>>>> 17. MANY JEWISH SURVIVORS OF THE “DEATH CAMPS” SAY THEY SAW
>>>>BODIES BEING PILED UP IN PITS AND BURNED. HOW MUCH GASOLINE WOULD HAVE
>>>>BEEN USED TO PERFORM THIS ACT?
>>>
>>>> A lot more than the Germans had access to or could have
>>>>afforded to waste during the Second World War, that’s for sure.
>>>
>>>> 18. CAN BODIES BE BURNED IN PITS?
>>>
>>>> No. It is impossible for human bodies to be totally consumed by
>>>>flames in this manner as not enough heat can be generated in open pits.
>>>>[Note From Winston Smith: I can personally confirm from my own
>>>>observations of both Communist and American atrocities in both the
>>>>American and Rhodesian armed forces that it is impossible completely to
>>>>destroy human bodies en masse with either gasoline, napalm, or in any
>>>>other way in open pits. The Holocaust “experts” who claim otherwise are
>>>>either parroting what they have been told without bothering to check
>>>>their facts, or else they are lying.]
>>>
>>>> 19. HOLOCAUST AUTHORS CLAIM THE NAZIS WERE ABLE TO CREMATE
>>>>BODIES IN ABOUT TEN MINUTES. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO INCINERATE A BODY
>>>>ACCORDING TO PROFESSIONAL FUNERAL OPERATORS?
>>>
>>>> About two hours.
>>>
>>>> 20. WHY DID CONCENTRATION CAMPS HAVE CREMATORY OVENS?
>>>
>>>> To dispose efficiently and sanitarily of the corpses dead from
>>>>typhus and other diseases.
>>>
>>>> 21. GIVEN A 100% DUTY CYCLE OF ALL THE KNOWN CREMATORIA IN ALL
>>>>THE CAMPS IN GERMAN-CONTROLLED TERRITORY, WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF
>>>>CORPSES WHICH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE TO INCINERATE DURING THE
>>>>ENTIRE TIME THE CAMPS WERE IN EXISTENCE?
>>>
>>>> About 430,600.
>>>
>>>> 22. CAN A CREMATORY OVEN BE OPERATED 100% OF THE TIME?
>>>
>>>> No. 50% of the time is a very generous estimate, or 12 hours
>>>>per day. Crematory ovens have to be cleaned thoroughly and regularly
>>>>when in heavy operation.
>>>
>>>> 23. ON THE AVERAGE, HOW MUCH ASH IS LEFT FROM A CREMATED
>>>>CORPSE?
>>>
>>>> After the bone is ground down into powder, a separate
>>>>time-consuming process in itself, about a shoe box full.
>>>
>>>> 24. IF SIX MILLION PEOPLE WERE INCINERATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>>>>HAPPENED TO THE ASHES?
>>>
>>>> That remains to be “explained”. Six million bodies would
>>>>produce literally mountains of ash, tons upon tons. Yet there have been
>>>>no discoveries of any huge deposits of ash in the Auschwitz are or
>>>>anywhere else in Europe.
>>>
>>>> 25. DO ALLIED WARTIME PHOTOS OF AUSCHWITZ, TAKEN FROM THE AIR,
>>>>SHOW ANY SIGNS OF CREMATORIA IN FULL BLAST OPERATION?
>>>
>>>> No. These photographs do not reveal even a trace of the immense
>>>>amount of smoke which must have hung constantly over the camp, nor do
>>>>they show any evidence of the alleged open pits where the bodies were
>>>>burned.
>>>
>>>> 26. WHAT DID THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE
>>>>WHOLE “HOLOCAUST” ISSUE?
>>>
>>>> A report of the visit of an IRC delegation to Auschwitz in
>>>>September of 1944 pointed out that internees were allowed to receive
>>>>packages and that rumors of gas chambers could not be verified. The
>>>>full official report of the International Red Cross on the Second World
>>>>War makes no mention at all of the so-called Holocaust or any of the
>>>>wilder allegations connected with the so-called Holocaust.
>>>
>>>> Interestingly, in 1996, fifty years after the war’s end, the
>>>>liberal media in America and Europe began running a series of articles
>>>>claiming that the Red Cross was “full of Nazi sympathizers”. This
>>>>charge is entirely bogus and may be chalked up to belated Jewish
>>>>attempts at damage control as the Holocaust myth crumbles steadily in
>>>>the light of factual examination and critical analysis.
>>>
>>>> 27. IS THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK GENUINE?
>>>
>>>> Not as published, no. The evidence compiled by Dietlieb
>>>>Felderer of Sweden and Dr. Robert Faurisson of France proves
>>>>conclusively that the published version of the famous diary is a
>>>>literary hoax. There was a girl named Anne Frank, and sections of the
>>>>diary appear to be genuine, including several wherein she describes
>>>>adolescent lesbian sexual experiences which were later excised from the
>>>>published text.
>>>
>>>> In 1950 Anne Frank’s father sued author Meyer Levin, the actual
>>>>writer of the diary, over royalties from the book. A Jewish judge in
>>>>New York ordered the records of the court case sealed for 100 years.
>>>>When the original diary was put on display a few years later, it was
>>>>noticed that the most poignant sections of the book were interpolations
>>>>written in a forged handwriting in BALL POINT PEN, a writing instrument
>>>>which was not invented until 1950. The original diary was swiftly
>>>>removed from exhibit and whisked away into a safety deposit box in
>>>>Israel. It has never been produced for examination since then despite
>>>>repeated attempts by scholars to view it.
>>>
>>>> 28. WHAT ABOUT ALL THE NUMEROUS PHOTOGRAPHS AND FILM FOOTAGE
>>>>ALLEGEDLY TAKEN IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS SHOWING EMACIATED CORPSES
>>>>AND PEOPLE? ARE THESE FAKED?
>>>
>>>> Some are, but most of the fakery lies in the captioning.
>>>>Corpses of German air raid victims, for example, are labeled as dead
>>>>Jews. One famous and oft-reprinted photo purports to show a “Nazi SS
>>>>man” about to shoot a mother holding her child; on closer examination
>>>>of the blurry print with a magnifying glass, it is clear to military
>>>>historians familiar with the uniforms and weapons of the period that
>>>>the killer is a Red Army soldier wielding a Russian-made carbine.
>>>
>>>> (The Exterminationist habit of blaming the Germans for
>>>>atrocities actually carried out by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin
>>>>remains common, even though some of the more notorious examples like
>>>>the Katyn Forest massacre of Polish prisoners have now been properly
>>>>laid at the door of the Kremlin. That this kind of fraud continues to
>>>>be perpetrated by Holocaust “experts” is not surprising in view of the
>>>>fact that almost all of them espouse Marxist or extreme left-wing views
>>>>and are as quick to apologize for and explain away Stalin’s butcheries
>>>>as they are to invent fraudulent crimes attributed to Adolf Hitler. The
>>>>almost universally leftist political and social orientation of
>>>>Holocaust defenders is important and should always be born in mind when
>>>>examining their claims; letting Stalin off the hook is almost as
>>>>important to them as blackening and defaming the memory of Hitler and
>>>>the German people. A good example of this is Nizkor leader Ken McVay’s
>>>>refusal to accept any more NSWPP e-mail after General Secretary Smith
>>>>asked him why he did not condemn the mass murders of Stalin.)
>>>
>>>> 29. WHAT WAS THE ROLE OF THE VATICAN DURING THE TIME IN WHICH
>>>>SIX MILLION JEWS WERE ALLEGEDLY EXTERMINATED?
>>>
>>>> Had there been an extermination plan being carried out in a
>>>>predominantly Catholic country like Poland, the Vatican would certainly
>>>>have been in a position to learn about it. Since no such plan existed,
>>>>the Vatican had no need to speak out about it.
>>>
>>>> 30. WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT ADOLF HITLER ORDERED THE
>>>>EXTERMINATION OF THE JEWS?
>>>
>>>> None. No documentary evidence of any kind indicating a
>>>>deliberate extermination plan on the part of the Nazis has ever come to
>>>>light. No signed order from Hitler, from Reichsfuhrer-SS Heinrich
>>>>Himmler, or from any other functionary of the Third Reich ordering the
>>>>extermination of the Jews has ever been discovered. The Nazis were
>>>>meticulous records-keepers and literally tons of documents were seized
>>>>by the Allies at the end of the war, so many it took Allied archivists
>>>>and scholars years to organize, file, and catalog them all. Nothing.
>>>>Zip. Nada.
>>>
>>>> 31. DID THE GERMANS AND THE ZIONISTS COLLABORATE BEFORE AND
>>>>DURING THE WAR?
>>>
>>>> Absolutely. Both groups were interested in removing the Jews
>>>>from Europe (the Zionists wanted the Jews shipped to Palestine) and
>>>>they maintained friendly relations throughout the war. The German
>>>>official in charge of shipping thousands of Jews to then
>>>>British-occupied Palestine (including future Israeli prime minister
>>>>Menachem Begin) was Adolf Eichmann; after the war the Holocaust
>>>>industry considered this secret so volatile and dangerous that Eichmann
>>>>was abducted by the Israeli Mossad and subsequently murdered in order
>>>>to silence him.
>>>
>>>
>>>In Canada there was adetailed story in Toronto Life about the roles of
>>>the Reichman and gestetner families in providing assistance to the
>>>Germans in WWII. The Jews are not happy about this public exposure,and
>>>have tried to restrict distribution of this news, which is available
>>>from the publishers in Toronto at Toronto Life.
>>>
>>>
>>>> 32. HOW MANY JEWS WERE IN AREAS WHICH CAME TO BE CONTROLLED BY
>>>>THE GERMANS DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR?
>>>
>>>> Slightly less than four million.
>>>
>>>> 33. HOW MANY JEWS FLED DEEP INTO THE SOVIET UNION TO ESCAPE THE
>>>>NAZIS?
>>>
>>>> Over two million. The Germans did not have access to them to
>>>>kill them.
>>>
>>>> 34. IF EUROPEAN JEWS WEREN’T EXTERMINATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>>>>HAPPENED TO THEM?
>>>
>>>> After the war most Jews emigrated to Palestine, the United
>>>>States, Argentina, Canada, and Great Britain. Except for about 300,000,
>>>>they are all accounted for.
>>>
>>>> 35. HOW DOES THE HOLOCAUST STORY BENEFIT THE JEWISH PEOPLE
>>>>TODAY?
>>>
>>>> It shields them from any criticism over their political,
>>>>economic, and social behavior. It is instrumental in raising immense
>>>>sums of “guilt money”, especially from the German government. It
>>>>justifies aid to the state of Israel totaling almost $10 billion
>>>>dollars per year from various sources. Israel has received almost $70
>>>>billion dollars in assorted “Holocaust reparations” and the ante is
>>>>growing every year. It is clearly in the interest of Israel and the
>>>>Jewish people to keep the scam going.
>>>
>>>> 36. ARE FILMS LIKE “HOLOCAUST”, “SCHINDLER’S LIST”, AND “THE
>>>>WINDS OF WAR” DOCUMENTARIES?
>>>
>>>> Hollywood movies are not history and are not intended to be.
>>>>They are fictionalized dramas. The characters in movies are actors, not
>>>>real people, who are being very highly paid for their portrayals of
>>>>events that did not in fact occur. They read their lines from a
>>>>screenplay written by Hollywood scriptwriters, a profession where Jews
>>>>are very highly overrepresented, as they are in the studios and the
>>>>creative and financial sectors of film making.
>>>
>>>> Hollywood is such an extremely unreliable source of history
>>>>that in recent years even mainstream reviewers and commentators have
>>>>begun to express doubt and suspicion over some films. For example, the
>>>>character of Oscar Schindler as portrayed by Liam Neeson in Spielberg’s
>>>>production of “Schindler’s List” was sanitized to the point of being
>>>>unrecognizable. Schindler was portrayed as almost saintly, and yet none
>>>>of those still living who remember the man have a single good word to
>>>>say about him. The real Schindler was a confidence artist, a thief, a
>>>>libertine and degenerate gambler who indulged freely in forced sexual
>>>>relations with young female camp inmates, who later abandoned his wife
>>>>and fled with his mistress to Brazil after embezzling a large sum of
>>>>money. Other major directors like Oliver Stone have come under fire
>>>>because their portrayals of historical characters like Nixon and events
>>>>like the JFK assassination reflect a paranoid obsession with the most
>>>>bizarre of left-wing conspiracy theories.
>>>
>>>> 37. ABOUT HOW MANY BOOKS HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED WHICH REFUTE SOME
>>>>ASPECT OF THE STANDARDS JEWISH CLAIMS ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST?
>>>
>>>> Over 100, with more in the works.
>>>
>>>> 38. BUT AREN’T ALL THOSE WHO QUESTION THE HOLOCAUST
>>>>ANTI-SEMITIC OR NEO-NAZIS?
>>>
>>>> Some are, although why such people should be denied the same
>>>>right to advance their viewpoint which liberal democracy grants so
>>>>freely to Jews and liberals in this purportedly free society is never
>>>>explained. The NSWPP is a National Socialist organization, although
>>>>unlike the Jews we acknowledge our identity and our ideological
>>>>position in the open. Most Revisionists, however, are academics,
>>>>genuine scholars who seek only the truth. Many hold liberal or
>>>>libertarian views, although these views often change as they are
>>>>subjected to the intense persecution which accompanies any deviation
>>>>from the official orthodoxy on the Holocaust.
>>>
>>>> 39. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HISTORIANS WHO DISPUTE THE OFFICIAL
>>>>VERSION OF THE HOLOCAUST?
>>>
>>>> A variety of unpleasant things. Significantly, the Jews have
>>>>always refused to debate the facts of the Holocaust openly with
>>>>Revisionists. An Internet group allegedly set up for this purpose
>>>>called Nizkor does not in fact debate Revisionists, but engages in
>>>>hysterical campaigns of ad hominem abuse against anyone who dares to
>>>>express any dissent or doubt in re Holocaust orthodoxy. It is clear
>>>>from many of the postings to Nizkor’s Internet playgroups that they
>>>>have attracted a number of people, mostly Jews but some left-liberal
>>>>Gentiles as well, who are motivated by intense racial bigotry and
>>>>ideological hatred of anyone who disagrees with them, and who in some
>>>>cases appear to be severely mentally and emotionally disturbed.
>>>
>>>> The Jews respond to any questioning of the Holocaust with
>>>>hatred, violence, and persecution, which in itself is the surest
>>>>giveaway that they have something to hide. In many countries those who
>>>>ask politically incorrect or searching questions about the Holocaust
>>>>are arrested, tortured, and imprisoned.
>>>
>>>> Dr. Robert Faurisson was assaulted by a Jewish gang who beat
>>>>him so badly that he was almost crippled. In California, a major
>>>>Revisionist bookseller’s offices were burned, and in Toronto
>>>>Revisionist author Ernst Zundel’s home was almost destroyed in an arson
>>>>attack. Zundel was subjected to a bizarre series of show trials lasting
>>>>over ten years, and after being finally acquitted he has been denied
>>>>Canadian citizenship and is still battling attempts to deport him to
>>>>prison and torture in Germany.
>>>
>>>> An American citizen, Gerhard Lauck of Lincoln, Nebraska, was
>>>>kidnapped by the German government and at this writing is serving a
>>>>lengthy prison sentence in Germany for the “crime” of writing
>>>>pro-National Socialist commentary IN THE UNITED STATES where it is
>>>>legal. Another American citizen, Hans Schmidt of Florida, was also
>>>>abducted, held in prison in Germany for almost a year, and released
>>>>only after an international outcry. Schmidt’s “crime” was writing a
>>>>pro-Revisionist article, in English, in a newsletter published and
>>>>distributed in the United States. German nationalist Manfred Roeder has
>>>>been imprisoned so many times he’s lost count. Revisionists have been
>>>>stripped of jobs and academic posts, denied tenure in universities,
>>>>victimized by harassing lawsuits, received bombs in the mail, and
>>>>subjected to constant death threats from Jews and Marxists.
>>>
>>>> THESE ARE NOT THE REACTIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. Innocent people
>>>>who are accused of a crime or a fraud do not respond by trying to kill,
>>>>imprison, or forcibly silence their accusers. More than anything else,
>>>>the behavior of the Jews and the governments they influence so strongly
>>>>proves that the Holocaust is a fraud. If the Holocaust was true,
>>>>neither the Jews nor any state authority would need to use force to
>>>>silence criticism, any more than force need be used against people who
>>>>believe the earth is flat. The arrests, imprisonment, assaults and
>>>>torchings are the moral equivalent of a full confession on the part of
>>>>the Jewish people that they are contemptible liars who have imposed the
>>>>most massive and vicious hoax in history on all of humanity, and have
>>>>used that hoax as an excuse to rob us blind, steal another people’s
>>>>country, and then to slaughter that country’s original inhabitants at
>>>>will, as according to National Public Radio they are doing even now as
>>>>I type this, in the town of Ramallah.
>>>
>>>> 40. HAVE THESE THUGGISH TACTICS SUCCEEDED IN SILENCING
>>>>REVISIONISTS?
>>>
>>>> No. They have only made Revisionists more determined than ever
>>>>to ensure that the truth comes out and that the nations of the earth
>>>>understand how the Jewish people have lied to them, defrauded them, and
>>>>robbed them for over half a century now with the Holocaust lie. There
>>>>can be little doubt that in succeeding generations the Holocaust will
>>>>be accepted by mainstream historians and the public at large for what
>>>>it is: a politically inspired hoax.
>>>
>>>>NOTE: This article was partially re-worked by me from material in a
>>>>pamphlet provided by the Institute for Historical Review. For further
>>>>information on Revisionism, the IHR may be contacted at
>>>>[email protected] – W.S.
>>>
>>> ———- Forwarded message ———-
>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>> From: stefan lemieszewski
>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>>
>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>>
>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>> titled “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.” If someone has access I would
>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>> Stefan Lemieszewski
>>>
>>> —————————————————————————
>>>
>>> North Shore News
>>> February 2, 1997
>>>
>>> Insights from abroad
>>> Doug Collins
>>>
>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>>
>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>> served in Hiler’s forces as high ranking officers.
>>>
>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>> about “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.”
>>>
>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>> was Erhard Milch, who “masterminded German aircraft production and
>>> transformed the Luftwaffe.” His father was Jewish.
>>>
>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of “mixed Jewish race or
>>> married to Jews.” They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>>
>>> Seventeen “Jews in Nazi uniform” were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>> Germany’s highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>> more. The research is continuing.
>>>
>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>> alive.
>>>
>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>> father, “wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle.”
>>>
>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>> whether they were “victims or perpetrators.”
>>>
>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>>
>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>> documents in the process.
>>>
>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler’s Germany; also that no Jew> could
>>> ever have fought for Hitler.
>>>
>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, “It makes
>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated.”
>>>
>>> He stated, too, that Rigg’s research would “inform both the argument
>>> about Hitler’s role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans.”
>>>
>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg’s research may be
>>> used by “deniers.” But most “deniers” do not deny that large numbers of
>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>>
>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>>
>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>> was a Jew.
>>>
>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>>
>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>> one were seen as “mixed race” and were also denied full citizenship.
>>>
>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>>
>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of “Aryan descent.” Milch, sentenced to a
>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>>
>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>>
>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>>
>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>>
>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>> wonder why?
>>>
>>> —The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>>
>>>
>>>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser
From [email protected] Sun Dec 27 14:08:14 EST 1998
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This story, documented by a well respected Jewish writer, was carried
in many other newspapers across Canada.
The Zionist murderers are angry that it was written by a Jew, to tell
the TRUTH for a change!!!
On 17 Dec 1998 08:05:54 GMT, “Koshercook”
wrote:
>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>
>
>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and
>Still Hide It From Us…]
>
>
>Archived for Scholarly Study
>
>
>From the Toronto Sun – December 13, 1998
>
>
>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor
>
>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of
>that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th
>anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists
>now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be reminded of the Unknown
>Holocaust.
>
>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin
>determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent farmers – called
>kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine’s
>growing spirit of nationalism.
>
>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow – earlier
>versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into
>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of
>recalcitrant farmers.
>
>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU
>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>
>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many
>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of
>death – mass starvation.
>
>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
>Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used
>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine
>cased one million deaths.)
>
>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing
>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel.
>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar
>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet
>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of
>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named
>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.
>
>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch
>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus
>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.
>
>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s custom-made famine and
>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB’s archives, and
>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died.
>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five
>percent of Ukraine’s population was exterminated. Millions of victims
>
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million
>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia,
>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR;
>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide
>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war
>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes
>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and
>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both
>communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent
>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the
>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>
>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s Jews by
>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been
>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler
>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before
>the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or
>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day.
>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM
>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed
>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not see one
>under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent Walter
>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of
>famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million people were dying around
>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated
>Duranty’s lies.
>
>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical
>roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime – the inevitable
>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of
>Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian genocide and
>Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him as an ally
>during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,”
>murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.
>
>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought
>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago,
>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state
>pension.
>
>
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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:00:29 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:23:16 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Thu, 02 Oct 1997 02:44:25 GMT, [email protected] (Doc
>>Tavish II) wrote:
>>>Well I’ll declare; another EDU web site and it has material on
>>>Communists and who they were!
>>>Look:
>>>Originally named Lev Davidovich Bronstein, Trotsky was born on
>>>November 7, 1879, in Kherson Province in Ukraine, the son of Russified
>>>Jews. He was educated in Odessa and in Mykolayiv and was a star pupil
>>>with enormous intellectual capabilities.
>>>
>>>Trotsky’s political involvement began in 1896 in a circle of Mykolayiv
>>>Populists, but he soon converted to Marxism. After a brief stay at
>>>Odessa University, he returned to Mykolayiv in 1897 to organize the
>>>Southern Russian Workers Union. For this he was arrested, jailed, and
>>>exiled. He escaped from Siberian exile in 1902, fleeing to Europe and
>>>adopting the pseudonym Trotsky. Abroad he joined Lenin, L. Martov,
>>>Georgy Plekhanov, and other Russian Social-Democrats, who were
>>>publishing Iskra (The Spark). By vitue of his flair for polemic
>>>writing and oratorical brilliance, he quickly rose in the party.
>>>
>>>At the party’s Second Congress in 1903 Trotsky opposed Lenin and the
>>>Bolsheviks, siding with the Mensheviks. His characteristic
>>>independence, however, kept him from cementing any organizational
>>>ties. Alone of the major party leaders, he rushed back to Russia to be
>>>an active participant in the 1905 Revolution, where he gained
>>>practical experience as chairman of the Saint Petersburg Soviet of
>>>Workers Deputies. Jailed in December 1905 and later exiled to Siberia,
>>>Trotsky used his time to reconsider the paradoxes of revolution in
>>>backward Russia. He synthesized his thoughts in two books, 1905 and
>>>Results and Prospects.
>>>
>>>Escaping from Siberia in 1907, Trotsky spent the next decade defending
>>>his ideas and engaging in émigré squabbling. The March Revolution of
>>>1917 caught him by surprise in New York City, where he wrote for a
>>>Russian newspaper. Trotsky reached Russia in May, quickly assumed
>>>leadership of the independent left Social-Democratic Interdistrict
>>>Group, and joined the Petrograd (as St. Petersburg was renamed)
>>>Soviet. Within weeks, he had gained enormous popularity as the most
>>>eloquent agitator of the Soviet left. In July, after being courted by
>>>Lenin, he joined the Bolshevik party and was elected to its Central
>>>Committee.
>>>
>>>As a Bolshevik, Trotsky was elected chairman of the Soviet in
>>>September. He sided with Lenin on the need to overthrow the
>>>provisional government and devoted all his energies to marshaling
>>>support for the armed uprising of the Bolsheviks. With Lenin in
>>>hiding, Trotsky was the general in charge, and he successfully
>>>directed the masses of workers and soldiers in the November
>>>revolution……
>>>
>>>Above found at:
>>>http://www.idbsu.edu/surveyrc/Staff/jaynes/marxism/bios/trotsky.htm
>>>
>>>Let’s review: Trotsky was a Jew actually named Bronstein, he was in
>>>New York City for a while and he was elected chairman of the Soviet!
>>>
>>>Does this make sense now? Soviets were Jews?
>>>
>>>From Lucy Dawidowicz’s book The War Against the Jews 1933-1945 by
>>>Bantam #13084-6 says on page 377: “Exploiting the superstitious
>>>anti-Semitic prejudices of the Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians
>>>and activating their accumulated hatred for the Soviets, the Germans
>>>harnessed the violent energies of these willing collaborates to round
>>>up and kill Jews.”
>>>
>>>I now ask: “How could the Ukrainians have been anti-Semitic toward the
>>>Soviets, if the Soviets weren’t in fact Jews? Because the Soviet Union
>>>was a Jewish conceived and run totalitarian state!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Link to UK site on Russian Revolution:
>>>
>>>http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/russ/rusrev.html
>>>
>>>Try also:
>>>
>>>http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/Archive/1930-HRR/
>>>
>>>More on Leo Bronstein (I mean Trotsky!)
>>>Try:
>>>http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/
>>>
>>>which states:
>>>
>>>”Lev Davidovich Bronstein. Leader of the Russian Revolution. Architect
>>>of the Red Army. Commissar of foreign affairs between 1917-1924.”
>>>Let’s see ol’ Bronstein was the Leader of the Revolution and the
>>>Architect of the Red Army too!
>>>
>>>The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia stated:
>>>
>>>”Whatever the racial antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet
>>>commissariats were largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in
>>>the Communist movement was well understood in Russia. The White Armies
>>>which opposed the Bolshevik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks as
>>>common enemies” (Univ. Jew Encyc., Vol. I, p. 336).
>>>
>>>Consider this:
>>>
>>>Among the Jews who remained in Russia, which then included Lithuania,
>>>Ukraine (A History of Ukraine, Michael Hrushevsky, Yale University
>>>Press, 1941, passim), and much of Poland, were the founders of the
>>>Russian Bolshevik party.
>>>
>>>In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland
>>>and Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large
>>>scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article
>>>on “Communism” by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp
>>>824-827).
>>>
>>>Look the United States Governmet has now at its Library of Congress
>>>the Soviet Exhibit that I posted recently!
>>>
>>>Here is the link:
>>>
>>>http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Experimental/soviet.exhibit/soviet.archive.html
>>>
>>>You will run across this:
>>>
>>>Welcome to the Library of Congress’s Soviet Archives exhibit.
>>>
>>>I could not find, however, the exhibit in the Library of Congress’
>>>Soviet Archives that Sunsite showed:
>>>
>>>http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/soviet.archive.html
>>>
>>>Once there try all “exhibits” but if you really want an eye-opener try
>>>this exhibit:
>>>
>>>http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/jac.html
>>>
>>>You will see as an opener the following:
>>>
>>>”The Jewish Antifascist Committee (JAC) was formed in Kuibyshev in
>>>April 1942. Two Polish Jewish socialists, Henryk Erlich and Viktor
>>>Alter (both of whom were later secretly executed), may have proposed
>>>the idea to Lavrenti Beria, the head of the NKVD. The organization was
>>>meant to serve the interests of Soviet foreign policy and the Soviet
>>>military through media propaganda — as well as through personal
>>>contacts with Jews abroad, especially in Britain and the United
>>>States, designed to influence public opinion and enlist foreign
>>>support for the Soviet war effort.
>>>
>>>The chairman of the JAC was Solomon Mikhoels, a famous actor and
>>>director of the Moscow Yiddish State Theater. Shakne Epshtein, a
>>>Yiddish journalist, was the secretary and editor of the JAC’s
>>>newspaper, Einikait (Unity). Other prominent JAC members were the
>>>poet Itsik Feffer, a former member of the Bund (a Jewish socialist
>>>movement that existed from 1897 to 1921 and supported the Mensheviks
>>>[see below for more on the Bund]), the writer Il’ia Ehrenburg,
>>>General Aaron Katz of the Stalin Military Academy, and Boris
>>>Shimelovich, the chief surgeon of the Red Army, as well as some
>>>non-Jews from the arts, sciences, and the military.
>>>
>>>A year after its establishment, the JAC was moved to Moscow and
>>>became one of the most important centers of Jewish culture and
>>>Yiddish literature until the German invasion. The JAC broadcast
>>>pro-Soviet propaganda to foreign audiences several times a week,
>>>telling them of the absence of anti-Semitism and of the great
>>>anti-Nazi efforts being made by the Soviet military…..”
>>>
>>>Footnote:
>>>
>>>The BUND:
>>>
>>>In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish
>>>workers in Poland and Lithuania. . . They engaged in
>>>revolutionary activity upon a large scale, and their
>>>energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article
>>>on “Communism” by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol.
>>>III, pp 824-827).
>>>
>>>In Russia and abroad in the late nineteenth century,
>>>not only Bundists but other Khazar Jews had been
>>>attracted to the writings of Karl Marx (1818-1883),
>>>partly, it seems, because he was Jewish in origin.
>>>”On both paternal and maternal sides Karl Marx was
>>>descended from rabbinical families” (Univ. Jew.
>>>Encyc., Vol.VII, p. 289).
>>>
>>>Under Nicholas II, there was no abatement of the
>>>regulations designed, after the murder of Alexander II,
>>>To curb the anti-government activities of Jews;
>>>consequently, the ” reaction to those excesses was
>>>Jewish support of the Bolsheviks. . .”(Univ. Jew. Encyc.,
>>>Vol. I, p. 286.) The way to such support was easy since
>>>the predecessor organization of Russian Communism was the
>>>Jewish “Bund.”
>>>
>>>—————————————————————–
>>>
>>>Maybe the JOG censored it.
>>>
>>> Doc Tavish Reporting on the spot.
>>> I will find all credible sites
>>> that prove Communism was/is Jewish!
>>> Till the next installment!
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:33:28 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:44:20 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>Another significant article that merits discussion!!!
>>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:15:13 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>>
>>>dddddddddd
>>>below, Hermie’s cyberthrash
>>>————-
>>>md
>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>> PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>>
>>>> More Pawlikowski apologies for Nazi behavior!
>>>> > ============
>>>> > Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>>>> > Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>>>> > the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>>>> > occupation of Poland. The only reason for this question at this time
>>>> > seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered. Provacatively, Dr.
>>>> > Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>>>> > draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>>>> > after the war? Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>>>> > why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>>>> >
>>>> > Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres.
>>>> > Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>>>> > hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>>>> > grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk). He admitted
>>>> > that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem. However,
>>>> > young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>>>> > afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>>>> > find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>>>> > presently in Lithuania.
>>>> >
>>>> > But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>>>> > occupation was dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>>>> > were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei.
>>>> > They were ususally not armed,
>>>>
>>>> Pawlikowski will have you believe that the German occupation police in
>>>> Minsk were unarmed!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> > and when armed never given more than five
>>>> > bullets for their long rifles. Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>>>> > (as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>>>> > each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>>>> > the genocide.
>>>>
>>>> Hardly truth to Pawlikowski’s story too.
>>>>
>>>> > On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>>>> > service was completely voluntary. It was called Ordnungdienst. Their
>>>> > emblem was a light alloy Star of David. The social background of these
>>>> > Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>>>> > post-graduate degrees, 60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>>>> > education. These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>>>> >
>>>> > But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>>>> > Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>>>> > of his book. In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>>>> > journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>>>> > from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>>>> > closed.
>>>>
>>>> The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>>>> longer or die now!
>>>>
>>>> Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>>>> ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next “relocation”!
>>>> > While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>>>> > intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>>>> >
>>>> > Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>>>> > description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>>>> > Lodz. German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>>>> > Wisenthal Museum in LA. Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>>>> > three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>>>> > Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>>>> > the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>>>> >
>>>> > ————-
>>>> > Jozef Pawlikowski
>>>> >
>>>> > We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>>>> > graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki. We found
>>>> > ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>>>> > dozens of other places. Why you shrink from searching for your
>>>> > ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>>>> >
>>>> Does there any normal healthy human being want to see the corpses of
>>>> your loved ones excavated? Maybe Pawlikowski would enjoy watching the
>>>> bones of his or her mother exhumed to count the bones as they demand of
>>>> other people.
>>>>
>>>> Herman
>>>> > ————
From [email protected] Sun Dec 27 14:08:19 EST 1998
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On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:16:47 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Nov 1998 02:11:26 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>And never forget that the KGB was established by the cursed Polish JEW
>>>>>DZERZHINSKI!!!
>>>>>Never forget that the KATYN murders were by the JEW-led Soviet KGB!!!
>>>>>And don’t forget the murders of the UN troops in Lebanon by the JEWS;
>>>>>And don’t forget the genocide of the unarmed civilians at the Q’ana
>>>>>refugee camp by the damn Israelis.
>>>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:17:05 -0700, Clancy
>>>>>
>
>>>>>>> And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>>>>>> Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>>>>>> gangster!!!
>
>>>>>>Zionist terrorist acts from 1939-1996 – part I
>>>>>
>>>>>>1939
>>>>>>Haganah blew up the Iraqi oil pipeline near Haifa palestine. Moshe Dayan was one of
>>>>>>the participant in this act. The technique was used again in 1947 at least 4 times.
>>>>>
>>>>>>August 20, 1937-June 29, 1939
>>>>>>During this period, Zionist carrtied out a series of attacks against Arab buses,
>>>>>>resulting in the seath of 24 persons and wonding 25 others. They are the Master of
>>>>>>killing people on buses.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Nov.25, 1940
>>>>>>S.S. Patria blown up by Jewish Terrorists in Haifa Harbor, Killing 268 illegal Jewish
>>>>>>immigrants.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Nov. 6 1944
>>>>>>Zionist Terrorist of Stern gang* assassinated the British Minister Resident in the
>>>>>>Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
>>>>>
>>>>>>July 22, 1946
>>>>>>Zionist Terrorist blew up the King david Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central
>>>>>>offices of the civilian administarion of the Governemnt of Palestine, Killing and
>>>>>>injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun gangs claimed responsibility for this
>>>>>>criminal act, but subsequentevidence indicated that boith the Haganah and the Jewish
>>>>>>Agency were involved.
>>>>>
>>>>>>October 1, 1946
>>>>>>The british Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by a bomb explosions, for which Irgun
>>>>>>cliam responsibility.
>>>>>
>>>>>>June 1947
>>>>>>Letters sent to British Cabnit Minister were found to contain Bombs.
>>>>>
>>>>>>September 3, 1947
>>>>>>A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting
>>>>>>room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs.( The
>>>>>>Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8
>>>>>
>>>>>>December 11, 1947
>>>>>>Six Arabs were kiled and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab
>>>>>>buses in haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and anothers injured in an attack by armed
>>>>>>Zionist on Arab coastal village near Haifa.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dec. 13 1947
>>>>>>Zionist terrorist believed to be memeber of Irgun Zvia Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and
>>>>>>wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda Area. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown
>>>>>>in an Arab market-place near Damascus Gate; in Jaffa bombs were thrown into an Arab
>>>>>>cafe; in the Arab village of Al Yahudia near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack
>>>>>>with mortars and automatic weapons.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dec. 19, 1947
>>>>>>Haganah terrorist attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the
>>>>>>ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah
>>>>>>admitted responsibility for the attack.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dec. 29, 1947
>>>>>>Two British contables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus
>>>>>>Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun Jews threw a bomb from a taxi.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dec. 30, 1947
>>>>>>A mixed forces of the Zionist Palmach and the “Carmel Brigade” attacked the village
>>>>>>of Ballad al Shaikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.
>>>>>
>>>>>>1947-1948
>>>>>>Over 700,000 Plaestine Arabs were uprooted from their beloved homes and land in
>>>>>>Palestine; since than have been denied the right to return or been given compensation
>>>>>>for their property. After their expolsion, the “Zionist Israel terrorist Armies”
>>>>>>razed to the ground 385 Arabs villages ad towns out of a total of 475, ands
>>>>>>oblitrated their remains. These Are “The GOD Chosen People” who commit murder in the
>>>>>>name of Judiasm.
>>>>>
>>>>>>January 1, 1948
>>>>>>Haganah terrorists attacked attacked a village on the slop of mount Camel; 17 Arabs
>>>>>>were killed and 33 were wounded.
>>>>>
>>>>>>January 4, 1948
>>>>>>Haganah terrorist wearing British Army Uniform penetrated into the center of Jaffa
>>>>>>and blew up the Serai(the old Turkish Governemnt House) which was used as a
>>>>>>headqaurter of the Arab national Committee, killing more than 40 persons and wounding
>>>>>>98 others.
>>>>>
>>>>>>January 5, 1948
>>>>>>The Arab-owned semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blowm up, killing 20 persons, among
>>>>>>them Viscount de Tapia, the Spanish consul. Haganah admitted responsibility for this
>>>>>>outrage.
>>>>>
>>>>>>January 7, 1948
>>>>>>seventeen Arabs were kjilled by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them
>>>>>>while trying to escape. further casualties, including the murder of a British officer
>>>>>>near Hebron, were reported from different part of the country.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Jan. 16, 1948
>>>>>>Zionists blew up three Arabs building. in the first, 8 children between the ages of
>>>>>>18 month and 12 years, died.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dec. 13, 1947- February 10, 1948
>>>>>>seven incident of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilian in cafe and markets, killing
>>>>>>138 and wounding 271 others. during this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses.
>>>>>>Zionist mind passenger trains on at least 4 occasions killing 93 persons and wounding
>>>>>>161 others.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Feb. 15 1948
>>>>>>Haganah terrorist attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses,
>>>>>>killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.
>>>>>
>>>>>>March 3, 1948
>>>>>>Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa(a 7 story block of
>>>>>>flat and shops) by zionist who drove an army lorry uo to the building and escaped
>>>>>>before the detonation of 400 lb. of explosive; casualties numbered 11 Arabs ans 3
>>>>>>Armanians killed and 23 injured. The Stern Jewish Gang claimed responsibility of the
>>>>>>crime.
>>>>>
>>>>>>March 22, 1948
>>>>>>A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100
>>>>>>others. Four memeber of the Stern Jewish Gang drove two lorry-loaded of explosive
>>>>>>into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosive.
>>>>>
>>>>>>March 31, 1948
>>>>>>The Cairo_Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month by an
>>>>>>electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60
>>>>>>others.
>>>>>
>>>>>>April 9, 1948
>>>>>>A combined forces of Irgun Zvai Leumi and ther Stern Jewish Gang, supported by the
>>>>>>Palmach forces captured the Arab village of Deir Yassine and killed than 200 unarmed
>>>>>>civilians, including countless women and childern. Older men and young women were and
>>>>>>paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were than
>>>>>>shot in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.
>>>>>
>>>>>>April 16, 1948
>>>>>>Zionist attacked the former British army camp at tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs
>>>>>>there.
>>>>>
>>>>>>April 19 1948
>>>>>>Fourteen arabs were killed in a hous in Tiberias which was blown up by Zionist
>>>>>>terrorist Jews.
>>>>>
>>>>>>May 11, 1948
>>>>>>A letter Bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Baker, former commanding Officer in Plaestine,
>>>>>>was detected in the nick of time by his wife.
>>>>>
>>>>>>April 25, 1948- may 13, 1948
>>>>>>Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and
>>>>>>Haganah Terrorist Jews. They stripped and carried away everything they could,
>>>>>>destroying what they could not take with them.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sept. 17 1948
>>>>>>Count Folk Bernadotte, UN Mediator in Palestine was assassinated by memeber of the
>>>>>>Stern Jewish Gang in the Zionist controlled sector of Jerusalem. Bernadotte’s aide
>>>>>>Col. serot was also killed and murdered by Jewish terrorist.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Nov. 1948
>>>>>>The Arab village of Iqrit and Birim were attacked and destroyed, killing and injuring
>>>>>>countless unarmed Arabs, including women and children. All the Arabs were forcibly
>>>>>>expelled from their homes and mother land Palestine, Know today as the artificial
>>>>>>state of zionist Israel.
>>>>>
>>>>>On 14 Apr 1998 17:11:47 GMT, [email protected] (BUSHBADEE) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article
>>>>>>writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Even the JEW media in the US have repeatedly documented the camps
>>>>>>>>where the cursed JEWs are imprisoning many thousands of innocent
>>>>>>>>Palestinians, both within Israel, and also in occupied Lebanon!!!
>>>>>>>>Don’t you even believe the JEWISH media??/
>>>>>
>>>>>>The only ones cursed are you Polish Catholics and that is for the Muder of
>>>>>>Jesus the Christ which your ancesstors did 2000 years ago,
>>>>>>It was a Polish Mercinary in the Roman Army who drove the nails into his arms.
>>>>>>For that all poles are doomed and cursed to forever be the butt of Polish Jokes
>>>>>>and to suffer terminal stupidity.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Forever another stain on Poland and the Polish people.
>>>>>>And you are damn right.
>>>>>>Ask a Jew from Poland what he is and he will say ” A Jew ” and not a Pollack.
>>>>>>My farther would never tell any one he was from POland, It is a thing to be
>>>>>>ashamed of and few want to admit it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>No wonder honest people of Poland dislike the foul JEWS!!!
>>>>>
From [email protected] Sun Dec 27 14:08:20 EST 1998
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On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:28:11 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:01:08 -0600, Ed Kadach
>wrote:
>>>Hitler’s Jewish Army
>>>”Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim.” –Elie Wiesel
>>>speaking of World War Two.
>>>”If there were Jews in (Hitler’s) armed forces…who served knowing what
>>>was going on and made no attempt to save (lives),
>>>well then that is unacceptable and dishonorable.” –Rabbi Marvin Hier,
>>>director of the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.
>>>Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called
>>>’full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf
>>>Hitler’s knowledge and approval.
>>>
>>>Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
>>>ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler’s soldiers, including
>>>two field marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight
>>>lieutenant generals, five major generals), “men commanding up to
>>>100,000 troops.”
>>>
>>>In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded
>>>Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s
>>>Cross.
>>>
>>>One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
>>>northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain
>>>and practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.
>>>
>>>One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
>>>Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch’s Jewish
>>>identity circulated widely in Germany in the 1930s.
>>>
>>>In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch’s
>>>birth record and when met with protests about having a
>>>Jew in the Nazi high command, Goering replied, “I decide who is a Jew
>>>and who is an Aryan.”
>>>
>>>Rigg’s research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
>>>German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time,
>>>who was in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.
>>>
>>>Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
>>>Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted
>>>by a German officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj.
>>>Ernst Bloch, whose father was a Jew.
>>>
>>>Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police
>>>(Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards
>>>(kapos).
>>>
>>>So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews,
>>>when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle
>>>against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?
>>>
>>>Sources:
>>>
>>>William D. Montalbano, “The Jews in Hitler’s Military,” Los Angeles
>>>Times, Dec. 24, 1996.
>>>
>>>Tom Tugend, “Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,”
>>>Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.
>>>
>>>Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.
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Subject: How Many Jews Really Died??
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On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:30:19 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand
>>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at. See the
>>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>>be.
>>
>>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>>
>>>”All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren’t
>>>counted by any census – simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>>anybody who couldn’t present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>>million? We will never know.”
>>
>>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>>
>>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>>most of them probably left and survived.
>>
>>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>>persons died–e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>>
>>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>>
>>sperati wrote:
>>> ———- Forwarded message ———-
>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>> From: stefan lemieszewski
>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>
>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>
>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>> titled “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.” If someone has access I would
>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>
>>> —————————————————————————
>>
>>> North Shore News
>>> February 2, 1997
>>
>>> Insights from abroad
>>> Doug Collins
>>
>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>> served in Hiler’s forces as high ranking officers.
>>
>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>> about “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.”
>>
>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>> was Erhard Milch, who “masterminded German aircraft production and
>>> transformed the Luftwaffe.” His father was Jewish.
>>>
>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of “mixed Jewish race or
>>> married to Jews.” They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>
>>> Seventeen “Jews in Nazi uniform” were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>> Germany’s highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>> more. The research is continuing.
>>
>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>> alive.
>>
>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>> father, “wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle.”
>>
>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>> whether they were “victims or perpetrators.”
>>
>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>
>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>> documents in the process.
>>
>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler’s Germany; also that no Jew
>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, “It makes
>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated.”
>>
>>> He stated, too, that Rigg’s research would “inform both the argument
>>> about Hitler’s role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans.”
>>
>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg’s research may be
>>> used by “deniers.” But most “deniers” do not deny that large numbers of
>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>
>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>
>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>> was a Jew.
>>
>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>> one were seen as “mixed race” and were also denied full citizenship.
>>
>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>
>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of “Aryan descent.” Milch, sentenced to a
>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>
>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>
>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>
>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>
>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>> wonder why?
>>
>>> —The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>
>>
>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
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Subject: Crosses at Auschwitz-Anti-Christian JEWS!!!
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On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:15:01 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:50:06 GMT, [email protected]
>>wrote:
>>>On 20 Oct 1998 14:46:50 GMT, “firefly”
>>>wrote:
>>>>THE CROSS IS NOBODY BUSSINESS< IT IS ON POLAND LAND
>>>>POLAND HAS THE RIGHT TO PUT WHAT THEY WANT INSIDE
>>>>IN THEIR COUNTRY.THIS IS INTERNAL AFFAIR < IT IS NOT AOUR
>>>>AFFAIR.COMPRENDE!!!!
>>>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:41:02 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2
>>>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>>
>>>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.
>>>>
>>>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>>>sensitive site.
>>>>
>>>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>>>groups.
>>>>
>>>>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests and must be resolved as
>>>>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are beginning to be perceived
>>>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,” she added.
>>>>
>>>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>>>site inevitable.
>>>>
>>>>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>>>>
>>>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site.
>>>>
>>>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex.
>>>>
>>>>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>>>>
>>>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar.
>>>>
>>>>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>>>and nationalists.
>>>>
>>>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>>>forgotten.
>>>>
>>>>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>>>be removed.
>>>>>
>>>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated.
>>>>>
>>>>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the answer but the cross, all
>>>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>>>the-scene discussion.”
>>>>>
>>>>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, “But I don’t see any
>>>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>>>the moment.”
>>>>
>>>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>>>>
>>>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>>>>
>>>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>>>international funding, are on hold.
>>>>
>>>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently.
>>>>
>>>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the “Judenrampe,” the
>>>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign.
>>>>
>>>>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>>>concrete, the crematories.”
>>>>
>>>>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda.
>>>>
>>>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,” wiping out most of
>>>>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>>>>
>>>>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>>>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>>>>
>>>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>>>>
>>>>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland’s tiny
>>>>>Jewish community.
>>>
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Subject: Jews DID CONTROL Communism – documented by them…
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On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:50:39 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>>On 23 Jun 1998 00:27:52 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Swan)
>>wrote:
>>>steve mock ([email protected]) wrote:
>>>: What you constantly fail to grasp, Tavish, is that no one is denying that there were people of Jewish ancestry among
>>>: the Bolsheviks, or even that there weren’t quite a few people of Jewish ancestry among the Bolsheviks. What you
>>>: completely and utterly fail to understand is how collossal the leap of logic is which you ask us to make from that fact
>>>: to the conclusion that Bolshevism is some kind of a Jewish plot for which Jews bear collective responsibility.
>>>Logical leap or not, this raises an interesting question: How
>>>can the overproportionate Jewish representation among the
>>>Bolsheviks be accounted for?
>>Perhaps the following text may help answer your rhetorical question…
>>
>>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism – Don’t Deny It
>>From: [email protected] (Roger Hughes)
>>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation
>>
>>
>>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
>>
>> One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called
>>”Russian
>>Revolution” of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>>them, continue to condemn anyone as “anti-Semitic” who brings up these
>>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>>and lead revolutionary movement.
>>
>> First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism,
>>Karl Marx,
>>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father’s side.
>>Whether he was a “religous” Jew is of no significant importance, since
>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
>>
>> While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism,
>>will
>>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let’s see the them deny the
>>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables
>>that
>>passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
>>during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
>>quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
>>Archives:
>>
>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>>general in Moscow, Summers: “Jews prominant in local Soviet
>>government,
>>anti-Jewish feeling growing among population….”
>>
>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
>>July
>>5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: “Fifty percent of Soviet government
>>in
>>each town consists of Jews of the worst type.”
>>
>>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>>Montgomey Shuyler: “It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it’s
>>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
>>type.”
>>
>>
>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
>>reports
>>on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: “…(T)here were
>>384
>>`commissars’ including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
>>Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come
>>to
>>Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
>>Government.”
>>
>>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>>Bolshevik party’s executive secretary and – as chairman of the Central
>>Executive Committee – head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn),
>>foreign
>>affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld)
>>and
>>Moisei Uritsky.
>>
>>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: “The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care
>>little
>>for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
>>trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”
>>
>>The Netherlands’ ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>>”Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things.”
>>
>>
>>In case anyone thinks I’ve taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>>here’s three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik
>>Propaganda
>>Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
>>United States Senate, 65th Congress:
>>
>>”We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east
>>side
>>of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
>>Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased
>>that
>>there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
>>showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of
>>these
>>men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element
>>in
>>this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
>>more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
>>Jews…I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that
>>one
>>of its bases is found in the east side of New York…The latest
>>startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
>>startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the
>>northern
>>community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the
>>Soviet
>>regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
>>out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
>>exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
>>Gordon.
>>
>>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing
>>on
>>the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
>>often remarked to my sister, ‘Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
>>all looks so Yiddish.’ Up to that time we had see very few Jews,
>>because
>>there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in
>>Petrograd,
>>but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the
>>agitators
>>were Jews.
>>
>>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now
>>that
>>was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
>>did not take kindly to it.”
>>
>>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>>”anti-Semitic” and therefore unreliable, but they’d be wrong. Here’s a
>>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>>
>>”The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>>physical forces, become a reality all over the world.” (The American
>>Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
>>
>>”There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>>many of the highest ideals of Judaism.” (Jewish Chronicle, London
>>April,
>>4, 1919)
>>
>>”Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism.” (The American Bulletin,
>>Rabbi
>>S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>>
>>”In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>>the total population.” (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
>>
>>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>>so-called “anti-Semitism” a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>>himself:
>>
>>”National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
>>customs
>>characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
>>extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>cannibalism…under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
>>death
>>penalty.” (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>>
>>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>>virtually untouched.
>>
>>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920’s in one of the most vile
>>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, “Jews made up nearly 80
>>percent
>>of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,” reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
>>American professor of Russian history. . . ”
>>
>>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons
>>were
>>murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
>>directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
>>Communist bosses.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Roger Hughes
>>
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Towards a New Consciousness; a New Order; a New People
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>> http://www.natvan.com
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
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Subject: JEW RABBIS LAUNDER DRUG MONEY IN NY!!!!
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On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:44:50 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:24:37 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>It seems that JEWS are not satisfied with having murdered Jesus
>>>Christ.
>>>Now some of them are involved, even from synagogues, in the DRUGS
>>>business.
>>>On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:10:26 -0800, in alt.revisionism
>>>[email protected] (Michael A. Hoffman II) wrote:
>>>>Michael A. Hoffman II comments: Why didn’t these two Orthodox Hasidic
>>>>(Bobover sect) rabbis enjoy the usual rabbinic immunity from arrest for
>>>>their crimes? Could it be that their mantle of protection was removed by
>>>>the more powerful Reform and Conservative Jews in America with whom they
>>>>are at war in occupied Palestine over issues pertaining to modernity and
>>>>conversion? Is this a warning to the Orthodox to back off from their
>>>>assaults on Reform and Orthodox Jews? For more go to:
>>>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>>>——————————————————————————
>>>>2 Rabbis Charged With Money Laundering
>>>>
>>>>By ROBERT D. McFADDEN NY Times June 17, 1997
>>>>
>>>>NEW YORK — A dozen men, including two identified as Orthodox Jewish
>>>> rabbis, were charged by federal authorities Monday with conspiring to launder
>>>> and hide $1.75 million in drug profits for Colombian narcotics dealers by
>>>> routing the cash through the bank accounts of a synagogue and a yeshiva
>>>>in Brooklyn.
>>>>
>>>> The bizarre case, federal prosecutors in Brooklyn said, brought together
>>>>a collection of strange bedfellows — five New York representatives of
>>>>Colombian drug traffickers, three go-betweens who purportedly transported
>>>>cash in suitcase quantities, and four men with ties to a close-knit Jewish
>>>>community.
>>>>
>>>> At one point, the officials charged, the rabbis ran tens of millions of
>>>>dollars in drug profits through the bank accounts of a relatively modest
>>>>Borough Park synagogue and provided nearly $3.5 million from American and
>>>>Swiss accounts for the purchase of an aircraft for the Colombian drug
>>>>lords.
>>>>
>>>> “Money launderers are the indispensable partners of major drug
>>>>traffickers, and the cynical act of using religious institutions to
>>>>conceal drug proceeds is particularly reprehensible,” said Zachary Carter,
>>>>the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of New York, in announcing the
>>>>charges.
>>>>
>>>> Seven defendants, including Rabbi Mahir Reiss, 47, of 3543 Bedford Ave.,
>>>>and Rabbi Bernard Grunfeld, 64, of 1417 46th St., both in Brooklyn, were
>>>>arrested Monday and were arraigned late in the day before U.S. Magistrate
>>>>Judge Roanne L. Mann, charged with conspiracy to launder money. Two
>>>>suspects, Grunfeld and Israel Knobloch, 24, of 5200 15th Ave., Brooklyn,
>>>>also were charged with conspiring to avoid federal cash-transaction
>>>>reporting requirements.
>>>>
>>>>Six defendants were held without bail, and one, Abraham Reiss, 48, of 320
>>>>Riverside Drive in Manhattan, a brother of Mahir Reiss, was released on
>>>>$750,000 bail. Three other men named in the federal complaint were listed
>>>>as fugitives, and two more were being held in custody elsewhere in New
>>>>York in other cases, according to Lee Dunst, the assistant federal
>>>>attorney prosecuting the case.
>>>>
>>>>Unveiling a three-year undercover investigation that used court-authorized
>>>>wiretaps and other surveillance, the federal complaint charged that the
>>>>two rabbis and Abraham Reiss laundered $750,000 by taking cash from
>>>>go-betweens, depositing it in the bank accounts of a synagogue-based
>>>>organization and, after subtracting commissions, writing checks to drug
>>>>traffickers.
>>>>
>>>>Investigators said the bank accounts used in the scheme, held in the name
>>>>of Chaim Shel Shulem, which shares quarters with Congregation Eitz Chaim
>>>>at 1577 48th St. in Borough Park, held deposits of more than $19 million
>>>>during the 10-month period when the laundering transactions occurred,
>>>>between August 1995 and May 1996.
>>>>
>>>>Grunfeld, listed as the president of Chaim Shel Shulem, was said to have
>>>>written all the checks that went to the drug traffickers. He and Knobloch
>>>>were also accused of concealing the movement of $1 million in drug money
>>>>by making 95 deposits and withdrawals of just under $10,000 — the amount
>>>>that triggers a government cash-transaction reporting requirement —
>>>>through the bank accounts of Congregation Eitz Chaim and Bobover Yeshiva,
>>>>at the same location.
>>>>
>>>>The defendants made no statements in court Monday. While Grunfeld was listed by
>>>> prosecutors as the head of Chaim Shel Shulem, dozens of people at
>>>>Congregation Eitz Chaim late Monday declined to say anything about him or
>>>>the case. Some seemed not to recognize the name Chaim Shel Shulem.
>>>>
>>>>The synagogue and yeshiva are in a five-story building with a brick front
>>>>and a small awning imprinted with the institution’s name in Hebrew. The
>>>>only words in English on the facade call it “the Katz Family of Mexico
>>>>Building.”
>>>>
>>>>In a ground-floor, two-room school lined with books, about 100 people were
>>>>studying at tables. A man who appeared to be in charge, but who would not
>>>>give his name, said he knew nothing about the two rabbis named in the
>>>>federal complaint.
>>>>
>>>> The federal investigation — an undertaking of the U.S. Attorney’s
>>>>Office, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Internal Revenue Service —
>>>>began in 1994, when agents detected a pattern of cash deposits and
>>>>withdrawals intended to circumvent the government’s reporting rules in
>>>>various bank accounts held in the name of the synagogue and yeshiva,
>>>>officials said.
>>>>
>>>>With court-authorized telephone wiretaps, surveillance and other techniques, the
>>>>investigators said they uncovered a conspiracy in which Grunfeld and Knobloch
>>>>eventually made more than $1 million in deposits and withdrawals —
>>>>transactions, they said, that let the conspirators move large sums of
>>>>illicit drug profits.
>>>>
>>>> Later, in 1995 and 1996, investigators said, the 12 men named in Monday’s
>>>>complaint conducted a full money-laundering operation. Five of them —
>>>>Lisandro Montes De Oca, 29; Francisco Gil, 30; Estenio Rodriguez, 30; Juan
>>>>Suarez, 39, and Alvaro Duque, 36 –were said to have brought in large sums
>>>>that Colombian drug dealers wanted to launder.
>>>>
>>>>The money was given to three men described as intermediaries — Jack
>>>>Pinski, 35, a Colombian who is a fugitive, and Roberto Buendia, 40, and
>>>>Fabio Arana, both of
>>>>Medford, N.Y. They were said to have counted and stashed the money at an
>>>>apartment at 243 West 75th St.
>>>>
>>>>There, prosecutors said, Abraham Reiss picked up the money. It was later
>>>>deposited in various accounts held in the name of Chaim Shel Shulem.
>>>>Grunfeld, the organization’s president, signed checks that were made out
>>>>to “entities in accordance with drug traffickers’ instructions,” the
>>>>federal complaint said.
>>>>
>>>>Those instructions were communicated through Rabbi Reiss, who had no formal
>>>>connections to Chaim Shel Shulem, investigators said. Commissions of 13
>>>>percent to 15 percent were deducted from the laundered money and divided
>>>>among the intermediaries.
>>>>
>>>> Prosecutors said they did not know how members of a deeply religious
>>>>community came into contact with professional money launderers and drug
>>>>traffickers. But they charged that in 1994, Rabbis Reiss and Grunfeld, and
>>>>Abraham Reiss arranged $3.4 million in financing to buy a Beech Super King
>>>>aircraft, a type commonly used by drug smugglers.
>>>>================================================================================
>>>> The Campaign for Radical Truth in History: http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>>>——————————————————————————–
>>>> News Bureau and Archives Online
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Another FORGERY from the Jew maggots at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR, who did not
want normal people to remember the crimes of JEWS/KGB:
On Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:31:29 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:57:37 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>
>>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.
>>>
>>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>>sensitive site.
>>>
>>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>>groups.
>>>
>>>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests and must be resolved as
>>>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are beginning to be perceived
>>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,” she added.
>>>
>>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>>site inevitable.
>>>
>>>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>>>
>>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site.
>>>
>>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex.
>>>
>>>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>>>
>>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar.
>>>
>>>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>>and nationalists.
>>>
>>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>>forgotten.
>>>
>>>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>>be removed.
>>>>
>>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated.
>>>>
>>>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the answer but the cross, all
>>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>>the-scene discussion.”
>>>>
>>>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, “But I don’t see any
>>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>>the moment.”
>>>
>>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>>>
>>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>>>
>>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>>international funding, are on hold.
>>>
>>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently.
>>>
>>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the “Judenrampe,” the
>>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign.
>>>
>>>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>>concrete, the crematories.”
>>>
>>>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda.
>>>
>>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,” wiping out most of
>>>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>>>
>>>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>>>
>>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>>>
>>>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland’s tiny
>>>>Jewish community.
>
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On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:50:39 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>>On 23 Jun 1998 00:27:52 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Swan)
>>wrote:
>>>steve mock ([email protected]) wrote:
>>>: What you constantly fail to grasp, Tavish, is that no one is denying that there were people of Jewish ancestry among
>>>: the Bolsheviks, or even that there weren’t quite a few people of Jewish ancestry among the Bolsheviks. What you
>>>: completely and utterly fail to understand is how collossal the leap of logic is which you ask us to make from that fact
>>>: to the conclusion that Bolshevism is some kind of a Jewish plot for which Jews bear collective responsibility.
>>>
>>>Logical leap or not, this raises an interesting question: How
>>>can the overproportionate Jewish representation among the
>>>Bolsheviks be accounted for?
>>
>>
>>Perhaps the following text may help answer your rhetorical question…
>>
>>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism – Don’t Deny It
>>From: [email protected] (Roger Hughes)
>>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation
>>
>>
>>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
>>
>> One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called
>>”Russian
>>Revolution” of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>>them, continue to condemn anyone as “anti-Semitic” who brings up these
>>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>>and lead revolutionary movement.
>>
>> First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism,
>>Karl Marx,
>>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father’s side.
>>Whether he was a “religous” Jew is of no significant importance, since
>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
>>
>> While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism,
>>will
>>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let’s see the them deny the
>>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables
>>that
>>passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
>>during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
>>quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
>>Archives:
>>
>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>>general in Moscow, Summers: “Jews prominant in local Soviet
>>government,
>>anti-Jewish feeling growing among population….”
>>
>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
>>July
>>5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: “Fifty percent of Soviet government
>>in
>>each town consists of Jews of the worst type.”
>>
>>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>>Montgomey Shuyler: “It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it’s
>>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
>>type.”
>>
>>
>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
>>reports
>>on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: “…(T)here were
>>384
>>`commissars’ including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
>>Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come
>>to
>>Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
>>Government.”
>>
>>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>>Bolshevik party’s executive secretary and – as chairman of the Central
>>Executive Committee – head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn),
>>foreign
>>affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld)
>>and
>>Moisei Uritsky.
>>
>>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: “The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care
>>little
>>for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
>>trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”
>>
>>The Netherlands’ ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>>”Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things.”
>>
>>
>>In case anyone thinks I’ve taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>>here’s three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik
>>Propaganda
>>Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
>>United States Senate, 65th Congress:
>>
>>”We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east
>>side
>>of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
>>Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased
>>that
>>there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
>>showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of
>>these
>>men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element
>>in
>>this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
>>more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
>>Jews…I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that
>>one
>>of its bases is found in the east side of New York…The latest
>>startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
>>startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the
>>northern
>>community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the
>>Soviet
>>regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
>>out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
>>exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
>>Gordon.
>>
>>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing
>>on
>>the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
>>often remarked to my sister, ‘Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
>>all looks so Yiddish.’ Up to that time we had see very few Jews,
>>because
>>there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in
>>Petrograd,
>>but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the
>>agitators
>>were Jews.
>>
>>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now
>>that
>>was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
>>did not take kindly to it.”
>>
>>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>>”anti-Semitic” and therefore unreliable, but they’d be wrong. Here’s a
>>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>>
>>”The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>>physical forces, become a reality all over the world.” (The American
>>Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
>>
>>”There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>>many of the highest ideals of Judaism.” (Jewish Chronicle, London
>>April,
>>4, 1919)
>>
>>”Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism.” (The American Bulletin,
>>Rabbi
>>S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>>
>>”In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>>the total population.” (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
>>
>>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>>so-called “anti-Semitism” a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>>himself:
>>
>>”National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
>>customs
>>characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
>>extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>cannibalism…under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
>>death
>>penalty.” (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>>
>>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>>virtually untouched.
>>
>>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920’s in one of the most vile
>>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, “Jews made up nearly 80
>>percent
>>of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,” reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
>>American professor of Russian history. . . ”
>>
>>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons
>>were
>>murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
>>directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
>>Communist bosses.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Roger Hughes
>>
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On 25 Jan 1998 05:17:06 GMT, [email protected] (Ian McKinney) wrote:
>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
>Ian McKinney
> One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called “Russian Revolution”
>of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority of the Bolshevik
>leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to them, continue to condemn
>anyone as “anti-Semitic” who brings up these facts, it remains undeniable that
>communism was both a Jewish created and lead revolutionary movement. Communism
>remains the single most destructive and murderous political system ever
>created.
> First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx, was a
>Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father’s side. Whether he
>was a “religous” Jew is of no significant importance, since Jewishness is not
>defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great bulk of Jews today would
>probably identify themselves as atheists, but also nonetheless consider
>themselves Jews. This was confirmed by Leo N, Levi, former President of B’nai
>B’rith, when he remarked: “A believer in the Jewish faith does not by reason
>of that fact become a Jew. On the other hand, however, a Jew by birth remains
>a Jew, even though he adjures his religion.”
>
> While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will concede
>that Marx was indeed Jewish, let’s see the them deny the communist-Jewish
>connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that passed between
>American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C. during the time of the
>Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following quotes are taken directly from
>documents available from the U.S. Archives:
>
>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul general
>in Moscow, Summers: “Jews prominant in local Soviet government, anti-Jewish
>feeling growing among population….”
>
>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July 5,
>1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: “Fifty percent of Soviet government in each town
>consists of Jews of the worst type.”
>
>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on March
>1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt. Montgomey
>Shuyler: “It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United States but
>the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it’s beginning guided and
>controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type.”
>
>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports on
>the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: “…(T)here were 384
>`commissars’ including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22 Armenians, AND
>MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to Russia from the
>United States since the downfall of the Imperial Government.”
>
>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the leading
>Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews. (Lenin was married
>to the Jewess, Krupsakaya, and has since been discovered by a former Soviet
>general, who had access to the KGB archives, to have been least 25% Jewish!)
>Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief of
>Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik
>party’s executive secretary and – as chairman of the Central Executive
>Committee – head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky)
>headed the Communist International (Comintern), the central agency for
>spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other prominent Jews included
>street agitator and later press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign
>affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld), Yakov
>Sverdlov, and Moisei Uritsky.
>
>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918
>dispatch to Washington: “The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and
>90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other
>country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide
>social revolution.”
>
>The Netherlands’ ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this: “Unless
>Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form
>or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by
>Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own
>ends the existing order of things.”
>
>In case anyone thinks I’ve taken a few selected quotes out-of-context, here’s
>three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former superintendent of the
>Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda Hearing Before the
>Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, 65th
>Congress:
>
>”We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of Trotsky
>(Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side of New York.
>Some of them when they learned that I was the American Pastor in Petrograd,
>stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that there was somebody who
>could speak English, and their broken English showed that they had not
>qualified as being Americas. A number of these men called on me and were
>impressed with the strange Yiddish element in this thing right from the
>beginning, and it soon became evident that more than half the agitators in the
>socalled Bolshevik movement were Jews…I have a firm conviction that this
>thing is Yiddish, and that one of its bases is found in the east side of New
>York…The latest startling information, given me by someone with good
>authority, startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the
>northern community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the
>Soviet regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
>out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the exception
>of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor Gordon.
>
>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great revolution of
>the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on the benches and soap
>boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I often remarked to my sister,
>’Well, what are we coming to anyway. This all looks so Yiddish.’ Up to that
>time we had see very few Jews, because there was, as you know, a restriction
>against having Jews in Petrograd, but after the revolution they swarmed in
>there and most of the agitators were Jews.
>
>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big posters
>and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that was to be one
>of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians did not take kindly to
>it.”
>
>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are “anti-Semitic”
>and therefore unreliable, but they’d be wrong. Here’s a few Jewish sources
>that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>
>”The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish
>dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new order in
>the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to
>Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction and by Jewish planning,
>shall also, through the same Jewish mental an physical forces, become a
>reality all over the world.” (The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
>
>”There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so many Jews
>are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with many of the
>highest ideals of Judaism.” (Jewish Chronicle, London April, 4, 1919)
>
>”Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism.” (The American Bulletin, Rabbi S.
>Wise, May 5, 1935).
>
>”In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet communist
>party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of the total
>population.” (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
>
>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make so-called
>”anti-Semitism” a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin himself:
>
>”National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
>characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form
>of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism…under
>USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death penalty.” (Stalin,
>Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>
>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and clergymen
>murdered by Communist gangs, synoguoges and rabbis were left virtually
>untouched.
>
>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20 million
>Ukranian farmers during the 1920’s in one of the most vile campaigns in
>history: In (the) Ukraine, “Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the
>rank-and-file Cheka agents,” reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor
>of Russian history. . . ”
>
>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were
>murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them directly at
>the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish Communist bosses.
>
>
> There is much more available information for those interested in the whole
>story, but it is hoped that this ouline will serve as a handy reference
>whenever the undeniable Jewish connection to communism is challenged.
>
>
>(This information is provided as a public service by the Western Imperative
>Network. http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/).
>
>Regards,
>Ian McKinney
>Western Imperative Network
>http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
From [email protected] Sun Dec 27 14:08:26 EST 1998
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Subject: How Many Jews Really Died??
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On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:30:19 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:47:17 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand
>>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at. See the
>>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>>be.
>>
>>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>>
>>>”All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren’t
>>>counted by any census – simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>>anybody who couldn’t present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>>million? We will never know.”
>>
>>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>>
>>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>>most of them probably left and survived.
>>
>>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>>persons died–e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>>
>>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>>
>>sperati wrote:
>>> ———- Forwarded message ———-
>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>> From: stefan lemieszewski
>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>
>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>
>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>> titled “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.” If someone has access I would
>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>
>>> —————————————————————————
>>
>>> North Shore News
>>> February 2, 1997
>>
>>> Insights from abroad
>>> Doug Collins
>>
>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>> served in Hiler’s forces as high ranking officers.
>>
>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>> about “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.”
>>
>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>> was Erhard Milch, who “masterminded German aircraft production and
>>> transformed the Luftwaffe.” His father was Jewish.
>>>
>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of “mixed Jewish race or
>>> married to Jews.” They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>
>>> Seventeen “Jews in Nazi uniform” were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>> Germany’s highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>> more. The research is continuing.
>>
>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>> alive.
>>
>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>> father, “wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle.”
>>
>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>> whether they were “victims or perpetrators.”
>>
>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>
>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>> documents in the process.
>>
>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler’s Germany; also that no Jew
>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, “It makes
>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated.”
>>
>>> He stated, too, that Rigg’s research would “inform both the argument
>>> about Hitler’s role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans.”
>>
>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg’s research may be
>>> used by “deniers.” But most “deniers” do not deny that large numbers of
>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>
>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>
>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>> was a Jew.
>>
>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>> one were seen as “mixed race” and were also denied full citizenship.
>>
>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>
>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of “Aryan descent.” Milch, sentenced to a
>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>
>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>
>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>
>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>
>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>> wonder why?
>>
>>> —The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>
>>
>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
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Subject: If JEWS in Hitler Army – How Many Really Died?
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On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:28:22 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>jacob bekker wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>> > One MUST question the alleged figure of the damn JEWS as to how many
>> > allegedly died in WWII.
>> Is there no wonder how the dumn Jews have so big influence in the world?
>> J.B.
>=================
>Presence of Jews in Hitler’s army clearly rules out the story of
>exterminatinon. Being in high places they would know that the story is
>true and would alert the world through their relatives.
>They have not done it … little chance that there was Jewish genocide.
>Moreover, there are no bones of 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the
>chance to cremate.
>
>Why Jews are smart and there is no doubt about it?
>
>Jew are the oldest people on earth with practical alphabet. Being so
>for they became the record keepers and accountants of the world. While
>Slavic women looked at Slavic mens muscles in order to be sure that he
>will have the strenght to plow and feed her family Jewish maiden looked
>in Jewish boys for brains to sustain them.
>
>Moreover Catholicizm caused that the smartest boys especially in peasant
>families became priests and than the genes of smartnes did not
>reproduced. In Rabbis families was just the opposite, the smartest boy
>in the shtetle was gettin hand of the smart rabbis daughters.
>
>But I do not worry about that. Mere forty years of education given to
>the Slavs admixed with Jewish apparatus of terror and the Slavs managed
>to launch Sputnik and man space station Mir.
>
>Western Europeans were unable to do it.
>Pawlikowski
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Subject: Jews as Tax Assessors/Collectors
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On Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:54:46 +0900, Jim O
>Joseph Hertzlinger wrote:
>> In <[email protected]> Jim O
>> >Joseph Hertzlinger wrote:
>> >Could be. Kings often found jews eager and proficient tax collectors
>> >who would aid them in suppressing the common man. A role that earn
>> >jews the enmity of the masses.
>> 1. We were allowed back in when England was between kings.
>> On the other hand during the four centuries preceding expulsion from
>> Spain, jews were the
>> tax collectors and assessors. Jews purchased the right to “farm” taxes
>> from the crown and
>> exercised that right by determining who was to pay, and how much. The
>> king often got
>> his money up front, and the Jewish tax collector had the power of the
>> crown to enforce
>> their assessment of taxes and on the common man This exploitive role
>> that earned Jews of
>> the period the deserved enmity of the common man. This era is often
>> referred to by jews
>> as a “golden age”. It was an age when Jewish prosperity was at least
>> significantly
>> supplemented by gains derived from through the extraction of tax
>> revenues. Jews were
>> setting the amount of taxes Christian would pay. A system ripe with the
>> potential for
>> exploitive favoritism, prejudice and bigotry to flourish.
>>
>> That role was a significant factor leading to the eventual expulsion of
>> Spain’s Jewish
>> community.
>>
>> Jim6b
>
>
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Subject: Re: Zionism and the Holohoax
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On Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:58:53 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On 26 Nov 1998 02:04:42 GMT, [email protected] (Marek13) wrote:
>>The proper word is “Holocaust.” Can’t you spell English?
>The proper term is HOLOHOAX, in connection with the extortion of
>billions of dollars from gullible governments, and institutions, such
>as from Switzerland!!!
>On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:31:10 -0600, “Bassam Kouatli”
>
>>Zionism and the Holocaust
>>Haim Bresheeth, in RETURN, March 1989
>>The first point to note regarding the appropriation of the history of the
>>Holocaust by Zionist propaganda is that Zionism without anti-Semitism is
>>impossible. Zionism agrees with the basic tenet of anti-Semitism, namely
>>that Jews cannot live with non-Jews.
>>The history and roots of the Holocaust go back a long way. While the
>>industry of death and destruction did not operate before 1942, its roots
>>were firmly placed in the 19th Century. Jewish aspirations for emancipation
>>emerged out of the national struggles in Europe. When the hopes for
>>liberation through bourgeois-democratic change were dashed, other
>>alternatives for improving the lot of the Jews of Europe achieved
>>prominence.
>>
>>The socialist Bund, a mass movement with enormous following, had to contend
>>with opposition from a new and small, almost insignificant opponent, the
>>political Zionists. In outline these two offered diametrically opposed
>>options for Jews in Europe. While the Bund was suggesting joining forces
>>with the rest of Europe’s workers, the Zionists were proposing a new
>>programme aimed at ridding Europe of its Jews by setting up some form of a
>>Jewish state.
>>
>>Historically, nothing is inevitable, all depends on the balance of forces
>>involved in the struggle. History can be seen as an option tree: every time
>>a certain option is chosen, other routes become barred. Because of that
>>choice, movement backwards to the point before that choice was mad is
>>impossible. While Zionism as an option was taken by many young Jews, it
>>remained a minority position until the first days of the 3rd Reich. The
>>Zionist Federation of Germany (ZVfD), an organisation representing a tiny
>>minority of German Jews, was selected by the Nazis as the body to represent
>>the Jews of the Reich. Its was the only flag of an international
>>organisation allowed to fly in Berlin, and this was the only international
>>organisation allowed to operate during this period. From a marginal
>>position, the leaders of the Zionist Federation were propelled to a
>>prominence and centrality that surprised even them. All of a sudden they
>>attained political power, power based not on representation, but from being
>>selected as the choice of the Nazi regime for dealing with the ‘Jewish
>>problem’. Their position in negotiating with the Nazis agreements that
>>affected the lives of many tens of thousands of the Jews in Germany
>>transformed them from a utopian, marginal organisation in Germany (and some
>>other countries in Europe) into a real option to be considered by German
>>Jews.
>>
>>The best example of this was the ‘Transfer Agreement’ of 1934. Immediately
>>after the Nazi takeover in 1933, Jews all over the world supported or were
>>organising a world wide boycott of German goods. This campaign hurt the Nazi
>>regime and the German authorities searched frantically for a way disabling
>>the boycott. It was clear that if Jews and Jewish organisations were to pull
>>out, the campaign would collapse.
>>
>>This problem was solved by the ZVfD. A letter sent to the Nazi party as
>>early as 21.6.33, outlined the degree of agreement that existed between the
>>two organisations on the questions of race, nation, and the nature of the
>>’Jewish problem’, and it offered to collaborate with the new regime:
>>
>>The realisation of Zionism could only be hurt by resentment of Jews abroad
>>against the German development. Boycott propaganda – such as is currently
>>being carried on against Germany in many ways – is in essence unZionist,
>>because Zionism wants not to do battle but to convince and build…
>>
>>In their eagerness to gain credence and the backing of the new regime, the
>>Zionist organisation managed to undermine the boycott. The main public act
>>was the signature of the ‘Transfer Agreement’ with the Nazi authorities
>>during the Zionist Congress of 1934. In essence, the agreement was designed
>>to get Germany’s Jews out of the country and into Mandate Palestine. It
>>provided a possibility for Jews to take a sizeable part of their property
>>out of the country, through a transfer of German goods to Palestine. This
>>right was denied to Jews leaving for any other destination (emphasis – ED).
>>The Zionist Organisation was the acting agent, through its financial
>>organisations. This agreement operated on a number of fronts ‘helping’ Jews
>>to leave the country, breaking the ring of the boycott, exporting German
>>goods in large quantities to Palestine, and last but not least, enabling the
>>regime to be seen as humane and reasonable even towards its avowed enemies,
>>the Jews. After all, they argued, the Jews do not belong in Europe and now
>>the Jews come and agree with them.
>>
>>After news of the agreement broke, the boycott was doomed. If the Zionist
>>Organisation found it possible and necessary to deal with the Nazis, and
>>import their goods, who could argue for a boycott? This was not the first
>>time that the interests of both movements were presented to the German
>>public as complementary. Baron Von Mildenstein, the first head of the Jewish
>>Department of the SS, later followed by Eichmann, was invited to travel to
>>Palestine. This he did in early 1933, in the company of a Zionist leader,
>>Kurt Tuchler. Having spent six months in Palestine, he wrote a series of
>>favourable articles in Der Sturmer describing the ‘new Jew’ of Zionism, a
>>Jew Nazis could accept and understand.
>>
>>This little-known episode established quite clearly the relationship during
>>the early days of Nazism, between the new regime and the ZVfD, a
>>relationship that was echoed later in a number of key instances, even after
>>the nature of the Final Solution became clear. In many cases this meant a
>>silencing of reports about the horrors of the exterminations. A book
>>concentrating on this aspect of the Zionist reaction to the Holocaust is
>>Post-Ugandan Zionism in the Crucible of the Holocaust, by S.B. Beth-Zvi.
>>
>>In the case of the Kastner episode, around which Jim Allen’s play PERDITION
>>is based, even the normal excuse of lack of knowledge of the real nature of
>>events does not exist. It occurred near the end of the war. The USSR had
>>advanced almost up to Germany. Italy and the African bases had been lost.
>>The Nazis were on the run, with a number of key countries, such as Rumania,
>>leaving the Axis. A second front was a matter of months away, as the western
>>Allies prepared their forces. In the midst of all this we find Eichmann, the
>>master bureaucrat of industrial murder, setting up is HQ in occupied
>>Budapest, after the German takeover of the country in April 1944. His first
>>act was to have a conference with the Jewish leadership, and to appoint
>>Zionist Federation members, headed by Kastner, as the agent and clearing
>>house for all Jews in their relationship with the SS and Nazi authorities.
>>Why they did this is not difficult to see. As opposed to Poland, where its
>>three and half million Jews lived in ghettoes and were visible different
>>from the rest of the Polish population, the Hungarian Jews were in
>>integrated part of the community. The middle class was mainly Jewish, the
>>Jews were mainly middle class. They enjoyed freedom of travel, served in the
>>Hungarian (fascist) army in frontline units, as officers and soldiers, their
>>names were Hungarian – how was Eichmann to find them if they were to be
>>exterminated ? The task was not easy, there were a million Jews in Hungary,
>>most of them resident, the rest being refugees from other countries. Many
>>had heard about the fate of Jews elsewhere, and were unlikely to believe any
>>statements by Nazi officials.
>>
>>Like elsewhere, the only people who had the information and the ear of the
>>frightened Jewish population were the Judenrat. In this case the Judenrat
>>comprised mainly the Zionist Federation members. Without their help the SS,
>>with 19 officers and less than 90 men, plus a few hundred Hungarian police,
>>could not have collected and controlled a million Jews, when they did not
>>even know their whereabouts. Kastner and the others were left under no
>>illusions. Eichmann told Joel Brand, one of the members of Kastner’s
>>committee, that he intended to send all Hungary’s Jews to Auschwitz, before
>>he even started the expulsions! He told them clearly that all these Jews
>>will die, 12,000 a day, unless certain conditions were met.
>>
>>The Committee faced a simple choice – to tell the Jews of Hungary about
>>their fate, (with neutral Rumania, where many could escape, being in most
>>cases a few hours away) or to collaborate with the Nazis by assisting in the
>>concentration process. What would not have been believed when coming from
>>the SS, sounded quite plausible when coming from the mouths of the Zionist
>>leadership. Thus it is, that most of the Hungarian Jews went quietly to
>>their death, assured by their leadership that they were sent to work camps.
>>
>>To be sure, there are thirty pieces of silver in this narrative of
>>destruction: the trains of ‘prominents’ which Eichmann promised to Kastner –
>>a promise he kept to the last detail. For Eichmann it was a bargain:
>>allowing 1,680 Jews to survive, as the price paid for the silent
>>collaboration over the death of almost a million Jews.
>>
>>There was no way in which the Jews of Hungary could even be located, not to
>>say murdered, without the full collaboration of Kastner and his few friends.
>>No doubt the SS would hunt a few Jews here and there, but the scale of the
>>operation would have been minuscule compared to the half million who died in
>>Auschwitz.
>>
>>It is important to realise that Kastner was not an aberration, like say
>>Rumkovky in Lodz. Kastner acted as a result of his strongly held Zionist
>>convictions. His actions were a logical outcome of earlier positions. This
>>is instanced when he exposed to the Gestapo the existence of a British cell
>>of saboteurs, Palgi and Senesh, and persuaded them to give themselves up, so
>>as not to disrupt his operations. At no point during his trial or elsewhere,
>>did Kastner deny that he knew exactly what was to happen to those Jews.
>>
>>To conclude, the role played by Zionists in this period, was connected to
>>another role they could, and should have played, that of alarming the whole
>>world to what was happening in Europe. They had the information, but
>>politically it was contrary to their priorities. The priorities were, and
>>still are, quite simple: All that furthers the Zionist enterprise in
>>Palestine is followed, whatever the price. The lives of individuals, Jews
>>and non-Jews, are secondary. If this process requires dealing with fascists,
>>Nazis and other assorted dictatorial regimes across the world, so be it.
>>
>>
>>
>>You’ll find more at: http://www.alquds.org/palestine/
>>
>>
>>
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On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:47:48 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>dejanews had this article, which should be discussed by all thinking
>people.
>On Fri, 03 Jul 1998 14:13:23 GMT, [email protected] (Doc
>Tavish) wrote:
>>Subject: Communism and Its Sources- Visit This Soviet Archive
>>You must visit:
>>http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/soviet.archive.html
>>Once there try all “exhibits” but if you really want an eye-opener try
>>this exhibit:
>>http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/jac.html
>>You will see as an opener the following:
>>
>>”The Jewish Antifascist Committee (JAC) was formed in Kuibyshev in
>>April 1942. Two Polish Jewish socialists, Henryk Erlich and Viktor
>>Alter (both of whom were later secretly executed), may have proposed
>>the idea to Lavrenti Beria, the head of the NKVD. The organization was
>>meant to serve the interests of Soviet foreign policy and the Soviet
>>military through media propaganda — as well as through personal
>>contacts with Jews abroad, especially in Britain and the United
>>States, designed to influence public opinion and enlist foreign
>>support for the Soviet war effort.
>>
>>The chairman of the JAC was Solomon Mikhoels, a famous actor and
>>director of the Moscow Yiddish State Theater. Shakne Epshtein, a
>>Yiddish journalist, was the secretary and editor of the JAC’s
>>newspaper, Einikait (Unity). Other prominent JAC members were the
>>poet Itsik Feffer, a former member of the Bund (a Jewish socialist
>>movement that existed from 1897 to 1921 and supported the Mensheviks
>>[see below for more on the Bund]), the writer Il’ia Ehrenburg,
>>General Aaron Katz of the Stalin Military Academy, and Boris
>>Shimelovich, the chief surgeon of the Red Army, as well as some
>>non-Jews from the arts, sciences, and the military.
>>
>>A year after its establishment, the JAC was moved to Moscow and
>>became one of the most important centers of Jewish culture and
>>Yiddish literature until the German invasion. The JAC broadcast
>>pro-Soviet propaganda to foreign audiences several times a week,
>>telling them of the absence of anti-Semitism and of the great
>>anti-Nazi efforts being made by the Soviet military…..”
>>
>>Footnote:
>>
>>The BUND:
>>
>>In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish
>>workers in Poland and Lithuania. . . They engaged in
>>revolutionary activity upon a large scale, and their
>>energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article
>>on “Communism” by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol.
>>III, pp 824-827).
>>
>>In Russia and abroad in the late nineteenth century,
>>not only Bundists but other Khazar Jews had been
>>attracted to the writings of Karl Marx (1818-1883),
>>partly, it seems, because he was Jewish in origin.
>>”On both paternal and maternal sides Karl Marx was
>>descended from rabbinical families” (Univ. Jew.
>>Encyc., Vol.VII, p. 289).
>>
>>Under Nicholas II, there was no abatement of the
>>regulations designed, after the murder of Alexander II,
>>To curb the anti-government activities of Jews;
>>consequently, the ” reaction to those excesses was
>>Jewish support of the Bolsheviks. . .”(Univ. Jew. Encyc.,
>>Vol. I, p. 286.) The way to such support was easy since
>>the predecessor organization of Russian Communism was the
>>Jewish “Bund.” Thus Marxian Communism, modified for
>>expediency, became an instrument for the violent seizure
>>of power. The Communist Jews, together with revolutionaries
>>of Russian stock, were sufficiently numerous to give the
>>venture a promise of success, if attempted at the right
>>time. After the rout of the less violent faction in 1917,
>>when Russia was staggering under defeat by Germany — a
>>year before Germany in turn staggered to defeat under the
>>triple blows of Britain, France, and the United States.
>>
>>Thus under Lenin, whose birth-name was Ulianov and whose
>>racial antecedents are uncertain, and under Leon Trotsky,
>>a Jew, whose birth -name was Bronstein, a small number of
>>highly trained Jews from abroad, along with Russian
>>Judaized Khazan and non-Jewish captives to the Marxian
>>ideology, were able to make themselves masters of Russia.
>>”Individual revolutionary leaders and Sverdlov — played
>>a conspicuous part in the revolution of November, 1917,
>>which enabled the Bolshevists to take possession of the
>>state apparatus” (Univ. Jew. Encyd., Vol. IX, p.668). Here
>>and there in the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia other Jews
>>are named as co-founders of Russian Communism, but not Lenin
>>and Stalin. Both of these, however, are said by some
>>writers to be half-Jewish. Whatever the racial antecedents
>>of their top man, the first Soviet commissariats were
>>largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in the
>>Communist movement was well understood in Russia. “The
>>White Armies which opposed the Bolshevik government linked
>>Jews and Bolsheviks as common enemies” (Univ. Jew Encyc.,
>> Vol. I, p. 336).
>>
>> ——END OF POST——-
>>
>>
>>Check out this link:
>>
>>http://www.emf.net/~cheetham/kcousm-1.html
>>
>>This is one of the links from above. This is the Spartacist League,
>>which was the Communist group that was waging a take over of Germany
>>during the 1920s. They were Trotskyites! Most of these are from the
>>Oakland and Berkeley areas.
>>
>>http://www.emf.net/~cheetham/gspsue-1.html
>>
>>Here is one of the University’s faculty “speaking” on Communism:
>>
>>http://violet.berkeley.edu/~iir/people/faculty/karabel/index.html
>>
>>Another University praises Ho Chi Minh and the Vietnamese Communist
>>movement and please notice the links back to Berkeley:
>>
>>http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~eemoise/commpre.html
>>
>>A known poster in this news group often uses a quote by Emma Goldman
>>in her sig line. Again using the Marxist infested Berkeley campus
>>resources you can learn of this “Commie Babe Goldman”:
>>
>>http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Goldman/
>>
>>All of the above should give excellent insight as to what major
>>universities are teaching our nation’s youth. If you have been
>>convinced that Communism and its tenants are dead then you
>>have been duped!
>>
>>John Davis
>>
>> ———–END OF POST——–
>>
>>
>>From: John Davis
>>Subject: Communism’s Current State of Affairs!
>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:22:58 -0500
>>Organization: None
>>
>>The Soviet and American Communist Parties
>>
>>The Soviet Communist party evolved from the Russian Social Democratic
>>Labor Party’s Bolshevik wing formed by Vladimir Lenin in 1903. Lenin
>>believed that a well-disciplined, hierarchically organized party was
>>necessary to lead the working class in overthrowing capitalism in
>>Russia and the world. In November 1917, the Bolsheviks seized power in
>>St. Petersburg (then called Petrograd)and shortly thereafter began
>>using the term Communist to describe themselves.
>>
>>(The above confirms this:
>>Among the Jews who remained in Russia, which then
>>included Lithuania, the Ukraine (A History of the
>>Ukraine, Michael Hrushevsky, Yale University Press,
>>1941, passim), and much of Poland, were the founders
>>of the Russian Bolshevik party:
>>
>>In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish
>>workers in Poland and Lithuania. . . They engaged in
>>revolutionary activity upon a large scale, and their
>>energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article
>>on “Communism” by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol.
>>III, pp 824-827).
>>
>>The name Bolsheviki means majority (from Russian
>>Bolshe, the larger) and commemorates the fact that at
>>the Brussels-London conference of the party in late
>>1902 and early 1903, the violent Marxist program of
>>Lenin was adopted by a 25 to 23 vote, the less violent
>>minority or “Mensheviki” Marxists fading finally from
>>the picture after Stalin’s triumph in October, 1917.
>>It has been also stated that the term Bolshevik refers
>>to the “larger” or more violent program of the majority
>>faction. After (1918) the Bolsheviki called their
>>organization the Communist Party.)
>>
>>
>>In March 1918, the Bolsheviks named their party the Russian Communist
>>Party (Bolshevik). The next year, they created the Communist
>>International (Comintern) to control the Communist movement throughout
>>the world. After the Comintern’s dissolution in 1943, the Soviet
>>party’s Central Committee continued to use Communist parties from
>>other nations as instruments of Soviet foreign policy. Each national
>>party was required to adhere to the Leninist principle of
>>subordinating members and organizations unconditionally to the
>>decisions of higher authorities.
>>
>>Strongly influenced by the success of the Bolshevik Revolution,
>>American socialists and radicals met in Chicago in 1919 to organize an
>>American Communist party. But the Americans were so divided they
>>created two parties instead. One group consisted primarily of
>>relatively recent Russian and East European immigrants, who emphasized
>>adherence to Marxist orthodoxy and proletarian revolution. The other
>>group, dominated by native-born, somewhat more pragmatic American
>>radicals, sought mass influence. Such conflicting goals combined with
>>the discrepancy between Communist doctrine and American reality, kept
>>the Communist movement in the United States a small sectarian
>>movement.
>>
>>In 1922 the Comintern forced the two American parties, which consisted
>>of about 12,000 members, to amalgamate and to follow the party line
>>established in Moscow. Although membership in the American party rose
>>to about 75,000 by 1938, following the Great Depression, many members
>>left the party after the signing of the Nazi-Soviet Nonaggression Pact
>>
>>of 1939. Others left in 1956 after Nikita Khrushchev exposed some of
>>Stalin’s crimes and Soviet forces invaded Hungary. Only the hard-core
>>members remained after such reversals of Soviet policy. The American
>>party, a significant although never major political force in the
>>United States, became further demoralized when Boris Yeltsin outlawed
>>the Communist party in Russia in August 1991 and opened up the
>>archives, revealing the continued financial as well as ideological
>>dependency of the American Communists on the Soviet party up
>>until its dissolution.
>>
>>http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/party.html
>>
>> * * * * *
>>
>>For those of you that believe Communism is dead (pity you!) Please
>>note that they are very active and have their American branches right
>>in New York City along with their companion Socialist Party! Here are
>>their links:
>>
>>http://www.hartford-hwp.com/cp-usa/index.html
>>
>>http://socialist.org/home.html
>>
>>John Davis
>>
>> ———END OF POST———
>>
>>From: John Davis
>>Subject: M.I.T. Supports “Communism” So Says its Web Site! Are You
>>Paying Attention FBI?
>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:47:03 -0500
>>Organization: None
>>
>>For another University that is infested with Communism see this M.I.T.
>>site:
>>
>>http://www.mit.edu/afs/athena.mit.edu/user/f/j/fjk/Public/iskra.html
>>
>>You can try this link from the page which is also linked to M.I.T.!
>>
>>http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/fjk/spartacist.html
>>The above is ended with the casual farewell which says:
>>
>>”I wish you success in your Marxist education.”
>>
>>Are you paying attention FBI? Our nation is in far more danger from
>>Communist subversion than from any “Nazis” or “Neo-Nazis!” Please
>>take heed!
>>
>> John Davis
>>
>> ——–END OF POST———
>>
>>Look at this:
>>
>>From: John Davis
>>Subject: Communism Bears Far More Blood Guilt Than Nazism! So Says
>>Berkeley U.
>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:22:47 -0500
>>Organization: None
>>
>>Please check out this link and see who has spilled more blood in this
>>century. Ask yourself how many Nazis are in power, how many Nazis have
>>seats in any government that now operates. Finally ask yourself this
>>(American citizens and those that are interested in our internal
>>affairs); how many Nazis have spent the night in The White House, had
>>coffee with the Chief Exec, or donated laundered money to his party!
>>
>>Examine very carefully the death tolls that are listed at this site
>>for 20th Century Genocide:
>>
>>http://econ161.berkeley.edu/TCEH/Slouch_power4.html
>>
>>I will try to reproduce some below:
>>
>>Civilians Killed by Governments in the Twentieth Century: Top
>> Twenty Regimes
>>
>>Location (Regime) Deaths Era
>>
>>Soviet Union (Communists) 61,900,000 1917-1990
>>
>>China (Communists) 35,200,000 1949-present
>>
>>Germany (Nazi Third Reich) 20,900,000 1933-1945
>>
>>China (Kuomintang) 10,400,000 1928-1949
>>
>>Japan (Imperial-Fascist) 6,000,000 1936-1945
>>
>>China (Communist Guerrillas) 3,500,000 1923-1948
>>
>>Cambodia (Communists) 2,000,000 1975-1979
>>
>>Turkey (“Young Turks”) 1,900,000 1909-1917
>>
>>Vietnam (Communists) 1,700,000 1945-present
>>
>>North Korea (Communists) 1,700,000 1948-present
>>
>>Poland (Communists) 1,600,000 1945-1948
>>
>>Pakistan (Yahya Khan) 1,500,000 1971
>>
>>Mexico (Porfiriato) 1,400,000 1900-1920
>>
>>Yugoslavia (Communists) 1,100,000 1944-1990
>>
>>Russia (Czarist) 1,100,000 1900-1917
>>
>>Turkey (Mustafa Kemal “Ataturk”)900,000 1918-1923
>>
>>United Kingdom (Constitutional) 800,000 1900-present
>>
>>Portugal (Fascist) 700,000 1926-1975
>>
>>Croatia (Fascists) 700,000 1941-1945
>>
>>Indonesia (Suharto) 600,000 1965-present
>>
>>
>>The top twenty regimes have killed–roughly–
>>156,000,000 civilians in this century.
>>
>>[The majority of the victims being “victims” of Communism!]
>>
>>I hope that all of the above stays in proper format in its
>>journey through the Internet but I gave the site to visit.
>>
>> Doctor Tavish
>>—-
>>Visit the Official Doc Tavish Library at:
>>http://www.crusader.net/texts/cng/doc
>
>
>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism – Don’t Deny It
>From: [email protected] (Roger Hughes)
>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation
>
>
>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
>
> One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called “Russian
>Revolution” of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>them, continue to condemn anyone as “anti-Semitic” who brings up these
>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>and lead revolutionary movement.
>
> First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx,
>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father’s side.
>Whether he was a “religous” Jew is of no significant importance, since
>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
>
> While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will
>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let’s see the them deny the
>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that
>passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
>during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
>quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
>Archives:
>
>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>general in Moscow, Summers: “Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
>anti-Jewish feeling growing among population….”
>
>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
>5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: “Fifty percent of Soviet government in
>each town consists of Jews of the worst type.”
>
>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>Montgomey Shuyler: “It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it’s
>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type.”
>
>
>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports
>on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: “…(T)here were 384
>`commissars’ including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
>Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to
>Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
>Government.”
>
>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>Bolshevik party’s executive secretary and – as chairman of the Central
>Executive Committee – head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign
>affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and
>Moisei Uritsky.
>
>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: “The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little
>for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
>trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”
>
>The Netherlands’ ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>”Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things.”
>
>In case anyone thinks I’ve taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>here’s three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda
>Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
>United States Senate, 65th Congress:
>
>”We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side
>of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
>Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that
>there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
>showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these
>men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in
>this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
>more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
>Jews…I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one
>of its bases is found in the east side of New York…The latest
>startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
>startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the northern
>community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
>regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
>out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
>exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
>Gordon.
>
>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on
>the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
>often remarked to my sister, ‘Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
>all looks so Yiddish.’ Up to that time we had see very few Jews, because
>there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in Petrograd,
>but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the agitators
>were Jews.
>
>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that
>was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
>did not take kindly to it.”
>
>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>”anti-Semitic” and therefore unreliable, but they’d be wrong. Here’s a
>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>
>”The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>physical forces, become a reality all over the world.” (The American
>Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
>
>”There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>many of the highest ideals of Judaism.” (Jewish Chronicle, London April,
>4, 1919)
>
>”Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism.” (The American Bulletin, Rabbi
>S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>
>”In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>the total population.” (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
>
>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>so-called “anti-Semitism” a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>himself:
>
>”National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
>characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
>extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>cannibalism…under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
>penalty.” (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>
>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>virtually untouched.
>
>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920’s in one of the most vile
>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, “Jews made up nearly 80 percent
>of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,” reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
>American professor of Russian history. . . ”
>
>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were
>murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
>directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
>Communist bosses.
>
>Regards,
>Roger Hughes
>
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On Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:38:20 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:47:49 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:13:38 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>The article below, from dejanews, seems to have much relevance, now
>>>that cardinal Glemp has had the guts to tell the Jews to stop
>>>interfering in the internal affairs of Poland!!!
>>>On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:37:14 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>I think that you forgot the Polish JEW, Felix Dzerzhinski, the subhuman
>>>>who established the Soviet secret police.
>>>>he and his gangs of murdering JEW Kommissars are responsible for the
>>>>murders of tens of millions in Russia, as well as the more than 30
>>>>millions they killed in the Ukraine!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>>Clancy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> “Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism.”
>>>>> (The American Bulletin, Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>>>
>>>>> Top Jewish Communists
>>>
>>>>> Of the top 556 functionaries in the first Communist Russian
>>>>> government, over 400 were Jews. Of the first 119 members of the
>>>>> Communist Russian Council ruling Russia, 81 were Jews.
>>>
>>>>> V.I. Lenin, supreme dictator. Leon Bronstein (Trotsky): supreme commander
>>>>> of the Soviet Red Army. Grigory Apfelbaum (Zinoviev): executive, Soviet
>>>>> Secret Police. Solomon Lozovsky: deputy Soviet foreign minister. Maxim
>>>>> Wallach (Litvinov): Soviet foreign minister. Yuri Andropov: director,
>>>>> Soviet KGB, later supreme dictator of the Soviet Union.
>>>
>>>>> Jacob Sverdlov: first president of the Soviet Union. Sverdlov ordered the
>>>>> massacre of the Czar’s family–women and children–in the town named after
>>>>> Catherine the Great, Yekaterinburg, (renamed Sverdlovsk in 1924 in honor of
>>>>> the murderer).
>>>
>>>>> Jacob Yurovsky: commander, Soviet Secret Police. Yurovsky led the death
>>>>> squad which carried out Sverdlov’s order for the murder of the Czar’s
>>>>> family, including the bayoneting to death of the Czar’s daughters. The
>>>>> Ipatyev house, where, in the basement, the massacre had occurred, stood
>>>>> intact until 1977, when the local Communist party boss at that time, Boris
>>>>> Yeltsin, ordered it demolished, lest it become a shrine to anti-Jewish
>>>>> sentiment.
>>>
>>>>> Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich : chief mass murderer for Stalin, ordered
>>>>> the deaths of millions and the wholesale destruction of Christian monuments
>>>>> and churches, including the great Cathedral of Christ the Savior.
>>>>> Standing amid the rubble of the cathedral, Kaganovich proclaimed,
>>>>> “Mother Russia is cast down. We have ripped away her skirts.”
>>>>> (N.Y. Times, Sept. 26, 1995).
>>>
>>>>> Mikhail Kaganovich: deputy commissar of heavy industry, supervisor of slave
>>>>> labor, brother of Lazar. Rosa Kaganovich: Stalin’s mistress; sister of
>>>>> Lazar. Paulina Zhemchuzina: member of the Central Committee and wife of
>>>>> Soviet Foreign Minister Molotov. Olga Bronstein: officer, Soviet Cheka
>>>>> Secret Police, sister of Trotsky, wife of Kamenev.
>>>
>>>>> Genrikh Yagoda: chief of Soviet Secret Police, mass murderer
>>>>> extraordinaire. (Jewish poet Romain Rolland, winner of the Nobel Prize,
>>>>> wrote a hymn of praise to Yagoda).
>>>
>>>>> Matvei Berman and Naftaly Frenkel: founders, the Gulag death camp system.
>>>
>>>>> Lev Inzhir, commissar for Soviet death camp transit and administration.
>>>>> Boris Berman: executive officer of the Soviet Secret Police and brother of
>>>>> Matvei. K.V. Pauker: chief of operations, Soviet NKVD Secret Police.
>>>
>>>>> Firin, Rappoport, Kogan, Zhuk: commissars of death camps and slave labor,
>>>>> supervised the mass deaths of laborers during the construction of the White
>>>>> Sea–Baltic Canal.
>>>
>>>>> M.I. Gay: commander, Soviet Secret Police. Slutsky and Shpiegelglas:
>>>>> commanders, Soviet Secret Police. Isaac Babel: officer, Soviet Secret
>>>>> Police.
>>>
>>>>> Leiba Lazarevich Feldbin (Aleksandr Orlov): commander, Soviet Red Army;
>>>>> officer, Soviet Secret Police. Feldbin was chief of Soviet Security in the
>>>>> Spanish Civil War. He supervised the massacre of Catholic priests and
>>>>> peasants in Spain.
>>>
>>>>> Yona Yakir: general, Soviet Red Army, member of the Central Committee.
>>>>> Dimitri Shmidt: general, Soviet Red Army. Yakov (“Yankel”) Kreiser:
>>>>> general, Soviet Red Army. Miron Vovsi: general, Soviet Red Army.
>>>
>>>>> David Dragonsky: general, Soviet Red Army, Hero of the Soviet Union.
>>>>> Grigori Shtern: general, Soviet Red Army. Mikhail Chazkelevich: general,
>>>>> Soviet Red Army. Shimon Kirvoshein: general, Soviet Red Army. Arseni
>>>>> Raskin: deputy-commander, Soviet Red Army. Haim Fomin, commander of
>>>>> Brest-Litovsk, Soviet Red Army. At least one hundred Soviet generals were
>>>>> Jewish (cf. Canadian Jewish News, April 19, 1989).
>>>
>>>>> Generals who were not themselves Jewish often had Jewish wives. Among these
>>>>> were Marshal Voroshilov, Marshal Bulganin, Marshal Peresypkin and General
>>>>> Pavel Sudoplatov (Sudoplatov assassinated hundreds of Christian leaders
>>>>> including Ukranian Catholic Archbishop Teodor Romzha). This Jewish wife
>>>>> “insurance policy” extended to Politburo members such as Andrei Andreyev
>>>>> and Leonoid Brezhnev.
>>>
>>>>> Sergei Eisenstein: director of communist propaganda films which depicted
>>>>> Christian peasants (kulaks) as hideous, money-grabbing parasites. The
>>>>> kulaks were subsequently massacred. (Cf. for example Eisenstein’s Bezhin
>>>>> Meadow).
>>>
>>>>> KOMZET: commission for the settlement of Jewish Communists on land seized
>>>>> from murdered Christians in Ukraine; funded by Jewish-American financier
>>>>> Julius Rosenwald.
>>>
>>>>> Ilya Ehrenburg, Minister of Soviet Propaganda he won the Order of Lenin
>>>>> and the Stalin Prize. He willed his papers to the Israeli Yad Vashem
>>>>> ‘Holocaust’ Museum.
>>>
>>>>> Solomon Mikhoels: commissar of Soviet propaganda. Soviet film
>>>>> propagandists: Mark Donsky, Leonid Lukov, Yuli Reisman, Vasily
>>>>> Grossman,Yevgeny Gabrilovich, Boris Volchok and Lillian Hellman (old movies
>>>>> written by her continue to be broadcast on American telelvision).
>>>
>>>>> Soviet propagandist: Yevgeny Khaldei who staged the photo of the raising of
>>>>> the hammer and sickle flag over the Reichstag in Berlin, May 2, 1945.
>>>>> Afterward, a special plane was waiting to fly Khaldei, Stalin’s top Tass
>>>>> photographer, to a Moscow lab, where his photo was further doctored (loot
>>>>> displayed on one of the Soviet soldier’s wrists was removed in the negative
>>>>> and Khaldei added clouds and smoke to the scene for dramatic effect (see
>>>>> photo of Khaldei and his beloved flag at left). Khaldei continued to work
>>>>> as a premier Soviet propagandist until his retirement from Pravda in 1972.
>>>>> His Communist propaganda is proudly on display at the Jewish Museum of New
>>>>> York and the Jewish Museum of San Francisco.
>>>
>>>>> Nikolai Bukharin: Lenin’s chief theorist. Samuel Agursky: commissar. Karl
>>>>> Radek: member, Central Committee. Mikhail Gruzenberg (Borodin) commissar.
>>>>> A.A. Yoffe: commissar. David Ryazanov: advisor to Lenin. Lev Grigorievich
>>>>> Levin: physician, poisoner of Stalin’s enemies. Lev Rosenfeld (Kamenev):
>>>>> member of the Central Committee.
>>>
>>>>> Ivan Maisky: Soviet Ambassador to Britain. Itzik Solomonovich Feffer:
>>>>> commissar, Soviet Secret Police. Abraham Sutskever: Soviet
>>>>> terrorist-partisan. Mark Osipovich Reizen: Soviet propagandist, winner of
>>>>> three Stalin Prizes. Lev Leopold Trepper: Soviet espionage officer.
>>>
>>>>> Bela Kun (Kohen): supreme dictator of Hungary in 1919. Kun was later
>>>>> Stalin’s chief terrorist in the Crimea. Kun’s eventual successor was Matyas
>>>>> Rakosi, Jewish Communist mass murderer of Christians in Hungary. According
>>>>> to the Jewish Telegraph Agency of May 14, 1997, Jews “…played key roles
>>>>> in ushering Communist rule into Hungary. In fact, during the brutal
>>>>> oppression of the early 1950s, the regime’s top five leaders were Jews. ”
>>>
>>>>> Zakharovich Mekhlis: top executioner for Stalin. Henrykas Zimanas: leader
>>>>> of Lithuanian communist terrorists, butcher of Christians.
>>>
>>>>> Moshe Pijade (sometimes spelled Piade): commander, Yugoslav Communist
>>>>> People’s Army. Tito’s top butcher of hundreds of thousands of Croatian
>>>>> Christians. Pijade later served as president of the Yugoslav Communist
>>>>> Parliament. At least eighteen generals in the Yugoslav Communist People’s
>>>>> Army were Jewish. The Yugoslavian communist party sent massive arms
>>>>> shipments to Jewish fighters in Palestine in the 1940s.
>>>
>>>>> In post-war Poland that nation was completely dominated by Jewish
>>>>> communists: the torturer Jacek Rozanski, head of the Secret Police;
>>>>> the Politboro commander Jacob Berman and commissars Minc, Specht
>>>>> (Olszewski) and Spychalski.
>>>
>>>>> These men murdered or deported to Kolyma and the other Arctic death
>>>>> camps, tens of thousands of Catholic Poles.
>>>
>>>>> According to Jewish researcher John Sack, “In 1945 many Poles felt (and not
>>>>> without reason) that Jews ran the Office of State Security…the chief of
>>>>> the Office was Jacob Berman, a Jew, and all or almost all the department
>>>>> heads were Jews.” Sack reports that 75% of the officers of the Communist
>>>>> Secret Police in Silesia were Jews. He noted that many Jews in the
>>>>> Communist terror apparatus in Poland changed their names to Polish ones
>>>>> like : (cf. John Sack, The New Republic, Feb. 14, 1994, p. 6.
>>>
>>>>> ROMAN ROMKOWSKI (Natan Grunspau Kikiel),
>>>>> JULIUSZ HIBNER (David Schwartz).
>>>>> JOZEF ROZANSKI (Goldberg)
>>>>> JERZY BORESZA ( Goldberg)
>>>>> ROMAN ZAMBROWSKI (Rubin Nussbaum)
>>>>> EUGENIUSZ SZYR
>>>>> LUNA BYSTRYGIER .
>>>>> ANATOL FEIGIN
>>>>> JOZEF SWIATLO
>>>>> Capt. STUDENCKI
>>>>> Lt. JURKOWSKI.
>>>>> ZYGMUNT OKRET
>>>>> TADEUSZ ZABLUDOWSKI
>>>>> ROMAN WERLF.
>>>>> LEON KASMAN,
>>>
>>>>> Generals: WIKTOR GROSZ, ARTHUR STAROWICZ, ADAM SCHAFF,
>>>>> ZYGMUNT MODZELEWSKI,MARIAN NASZKOWSKI,
>>>>> MIECZYSLAW OGRODZINSKI, JULIUSZ KATZ-SUCHYSa
>>>
>>>>> In Poland, “…a disproportionate number of Communists were Jews. In 1930,
>>>>> at its peak, 35% of the members of the party were Jewish. In Communist
>>>>> youth organizations, Jewish membership was even higher, while Communists of
>>>>> Jewish origin occupied most of the seats on the central committee.
>>>>> Communism appealed to some Jews because it opposed anti-Semitism more
>>>>> vigorously than any other Polish party…Jewish Communists reached their
>>>>> apogee in the years immediately after World War Two, when the party
>>>>> leadership was totally in the hands of the prewar Communist leadership that
>>>>> abhorred anti-Semitism.” (Sheldon Kirshner, The Canadian Jewish News, Nov.
>>>>> 5, 1992, p. 16).
>>>
>>>>> Of course when one encounters the issue of Jews, Communists and Catholics
>>>>> in Poland in the Establishment media or universities today, the mass murder
>>>>> of the Polish Catholics at the hands of the Jewish Communists, is never
>>>>> raised.
>>>
>>>>> “The average Pole could not but notice in the Stalinist era that the two most
>>>>> powerful men in the country–Berman and Minc–were both Jewish as was
>>>>> the dreaded security official Rozanski.”
>>>>> Piotr S. Wandycz of Yale University (N.Y. Review of Books,
>>>>> Aug. 18, 1983, p. 51).
>>>
>>>>> Julius Hammer, M.D.: New York abortionist and co-founder of the American
>>>>> communist party. Armand Hammer: fundraiser and financier for Lenin and
>>>>> Stalin, son of Julius.
>>>
>>>>> Lev Davidovich Landau: Stalinist physicist, co-father of the Soviet atomic
>>>>> bomb. Klaus Fuchs: helped steal atomic bomb secrets for Stalin. Ruth
>>>>> Werner: colonel, Red Army GRU intelligence, assisted Fuchs. Julius and
>>>>> Ethel Rosenberg: stole American atomic bomb secrets for Stalin. Morris
>>>>> Cohen (Peter Kroger): assisted the Rosenbergs. Markus Wolf: chief of
>>>>> German Communist Stasi Secret Police.
>>>
>>>>> Howard Fast: American communist propagandist for Stalin. David
>>>>> Dubinsky: Stalin’s ally, head of the U.S. International Ladies Garment
>>>>> Workers Union. Nahum Goldmann: founder, World Jewish Congress, communist
>>>>> propagandist. Rabbi Moses Rosen: agent, Romanian communist party. Victor
>>>>> Rothschild: top British espionage agent for Stalin.
>>>
>>>>> Mark Zborowski: “…considered by historians of Soviet terror operations to
>>>>> have been the most fearsome…(Soviet) spy of all time” (Stephen Schwartz,
>>>>> Forward, Jan. 26, 1996). Zborowski, a medical researcher, murdered a
>>>>> dissident with a poisoned orange at the Soviet-run hospital in Paris.
>>>>> Zborowski was implicated in several other assassinations in 1936 and 1937.
>>>>> In the 1940s worked for both the American Jewish Committee and the KGB. In
>>>>> the 1960s Zborowski worked as a medical researcher at Mount Zion Hospital
>>>>> in San Francisco. He trained numerous psychiatrists and medical specialists
>>>>> in the Bay Area. He died in 1990 (cf. “The Strange Case of Doctor Zborowski
>>>>> and Monsieur Etienne” by Philippe Videlier, in Le Monde Diplomatique, Dec.
>>>>> 1992).
>>>
>>>>> The African National Congress (ANC) in South Africa was guided by two
>>>>> Communist Jews, Albie Sachs, “one of its foremost intellectuals”( London
>>>>> Sunday Times, Aug. 29, 1993) and Yossel Mashel Slovo (Joe Slovo).
>>>
>>>>> Slovo was born in a shtetl in Lithuania and grew up speaking Yiddish and
>>>>> studying the Talmud. He joined the ANC’s terrorist wing, the Umkhonto we
>>>>> Sizwe, in 1961 and eventually became its commander. He was named Secretary
>>>>> General of the South African Communist Party in 1986. (“Joe Slovo,” Jewish
>>>>> Chronicle, Jan. 13, 1995).
>>>
>>>>> Slovo had been the ” planner of many of the ANC terrorist attacks,
>>>>> including the 1983 car bomb that killed 19 people and injured many
>>>>> others… Slovo, who had traveled to the Soviet Union many times, was
>>>>> awarded a Soviet medal on his 60th birthday…Slovo is a dedicated
>>>>> Communist, a Marxist Leninist without morality of any kind, for whom only
>>>>> victory counts, whatever the human cost, whatever the bloodshed…Slovo
>>>>> disputes little of his image as ‘the Communist mastermind’ behind the ANC’s
>>>>> armed struggle. For him the fears of South Africa’s whites are both a
>>>>> measure of the ANC’s growing strength and a crucial factor in hastening
>>>>> what he believes will be its ultimate victory. ‘Revolutionary violence has
>>>>> created the inspirational impact that we had intended, and it has won for
>>>>> the ANC its leading position,’ Slovo said.” (“Rebel Strategist Seeks to End
>>>>> Apartheid,” L.A. Times, Aug. 16, 1987, p. 14). When Nelson Mandela’s ANC
>>>>> took over South Africa, Slovo was named Minister of Housing.
>>>
>>>>> Slovo, a Yiddish-speaking Lithuanian Jew, was Secretary General of the
>>>>> South African Communist Party and director of the military wing of the ANC,
>>>>> which perpetrated numerous terror bombings against white civilians.
>>>
>>>>> Ambassador David Rowl and Franches wrote about his experiences in
>>>>> Russia at that tragic time in RUSSIA FROM THE AMERICAN EMBASSY,
>>>>> Scribner, 1921. He declared
>>>
>>>>> “…The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews, and 90% of
>>>>> whom are returned exiles, are little for Russia or any other
>>>>> country but are internationalists, and they are trying to start a
>>>>> world-wide social revolution.”
>>>
>>>>> From the DIRECTORATE OF INTELLIGENCE, THE BRITISH WAR
>>>>> CABINET, (CAB 214/83,July 3, 1916) Came the report:
>>>
>>>>> “Definite evidence has been received that the leaders in the
>>>>> Bolshevik movement in England, France, and America are in touch
>>>>> with one another and with Moscow, and that the Bolshevik movement
>>>>> is an INTERNATIONAL CONSPIRACY OF JEWS.”
>>>
>>>>> One could add, a financial-banking conspiracy with most of the money for
>>>>> the Russian Revolution coming from New York Jewish Bankers.
>>>
>>>>> THE AMERICAN HEBREW, September 10, 1920:
>>>
>>>>> “The Bolshevist Revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish
>>>>> brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal
>>>>> is to create a New Order in the world. [a New World Order – sound
>>>>> familiar??] What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia,
>>>>> thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>>>> and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish
>>>>> mental and physical forces, become a reality all over the world.”
>>>
>>>>> DR. OSCAR LEVY in his Preface to THE WORLD SIGNIFICANCE
>>>>> OF THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION by George Pitt-Rivers (1920):
>>>
>>>>> “Bolshevism is a religion and a faith. How could those
>>>>> half-converted believers dream to vanquish the “Truthful” and the
>>>>> faithful of their own creed … who had gathered around the Red
>>>>> Standard of the prophet Karl Marx, and who fought under the
>>>>> guidance of those experienced officers of all latter – day
>>>>> revolutions – the Jews?”
>>>
>>>>> GEORGE MARLEN, in STALIN, TROTSKY, OR LENIN, on page
>>>>> 414 New York (1937):
>>>
>>>>> “If the tide of history does not turn toward Communist
>>>>> Internationalism, then the Jewish race is doomed”
>>>
>>>>> THE LONDON JEWISH CHRONICLE, 4-4-1921:
>>>
>>>>> “…there is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact
>>>>> that so many Jews are Bolshevists, in the fact that the ideals of
>>>>> Bolshevism at many points are consonant with the finest ideals of
>>>>> Judaism.”
>>>
>>>>> CHICAGO JEWISH SENTINEL, 10-8-1942:
>>>
>>>>> “The Second World War is being fought for the defense of the
>>>>> fundamentals of Judaism.”
>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth Dilling in her excellent book THE JEWISH RELIGION:
>>>>> ITS INFLUENCE TODAY writes:
>>>
>>>>> “Only through (a) thorough understanding of the ideology from
>>>>> which this collectivism originates, and those who dominate and
>>>>> propagate it, can the rest of the world hope to escape the same
>>>>> fate. Communism Socialism was originated by Jews and has been
>>>>> dominated by them from the beginning …. There is no moral,
>>>>> philosophical or ethical conflict whatsoever between Judaism and
>>>>> Marxist collectivism as they exist in actual practice. Marxism,
>>>>> to which all branches of Socialism necessarily adhere, was
>>>>> originated by a Jew, Karl Marx, himself of Rabbinical descent.
>>>>> Every Jewish source today boasts of his rabbinical ancestry, and
>>>>> his “keen dialectical ability” (as presumably manifested by his
>>>>> abstruse, hair-splitting, DESKAPITAL) being due to his Talmudic
>>>>> inheritance …. Marx did not actually originate anything, but
>>>>> merely “streamlined” talmudism for Gentile consumption…”
>>>
>>>>> Dr.OscarLevy in his Preface (mentioned above) also wrote:
>>>
>>>>> “We Jews, who have posed as the Saviors of the World (God’s
>>>>> Chosen People – what a lie!) we today are nothing else but the
>>>>> world’s seducers, its destroyers, its incendiaries, its
>>>>> executioners.”
>>>
>>>>> Bernard Lazare, in his “L’Anti-semitisme” p.350 wrote:
>>>
>>>>> “The jew is not satisfied with de-Christianizing, he Judaizes. He
>>>>> destroys … faith, he provokes indifference, but he imposes his
>>>>> idea of the world, of morals, and of life upon those whose faith
>>>>> he ruins; he works his age-old task, the annihilation of the
>>>>> religion of (Jesus) Christ.”
>>>
>>>>> “There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of
>>>>> Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by
>>>>> these international and for the most part atheistical Jews.”
>>>>> On Feb. 8, 1920 the Illustrated Sunday Herald: by Winston Churchill.
>>>
>>>>> “In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more
>>>>> astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed, the principal, part in the
>>>>> system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating
>>>>> Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by
>>>>> Jewesses.
>>>
>>>>> “The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of
>>>>> terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been
>>>>> presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has
>>>>> been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people.
>>>
>>>>> “…The fact that in many cases Jewish interests and Jewish places of
>>>>> worship are excepted by the Bolsheviks from their universal hostility has
>>>>> tended more and more to associate the Jewish race in Russia with villainies
>>>>> which are now being perpetrated…Needless to say, the most intense
>>>>> passions of revenge have been excited in the breasts of the Russian
>>>>> people.”
>>>
>>>>> “It was Communism which toppled the hated Czars, Communism which
>>>>> removed Jewish disabilities and proscribed anti-Semitism and Communism
>>>>> which, in its early days at least, opened the doors to Jewish advancement.”
>>>>> Chaim Bermant, writing in the Jewish Chronicle (Aug. 30, 1991)
>>>
>>>>> “The clever Russian is almost always a Jew or has Jewish blood in him.”
>>>>> (Dmitri Volkogonov, Lenin: A New Biography, p.112).
>>>
>>>>> Lenin declared, “We are exterminating the bourgeoisie as a class.” His
>>>>> partner in crime, Apfelbaum (Zinoviev) stated: “The interests of the
>>>>> revolution require the physical annihilation of the bourgeoisie class.” Who
>>>>> were these bourgeoisie? Certainly not Jews. Trotsky gave a clue to their
>>>>> identity in a 1937 interview in the New York Jewish newspaper, Daily
>>>>> Forward: “The longer the rotten bourgeoisie society lives, the more and
>>>>> more barbaric will anti-Semitism become everywhere.”
>>>
>>>>> Bourgeoisie was a Bolshevik code-word for Gentile. The first law passed
>>>>> after the Communists seized power in Russia made anti-semitism a crime
>>>>> punishable by death. (Izvestia, July 27, 1918).
>>>
>>>>> The top Communist Jewish official Zinoviev stated: “Without mercy, without
>>>>> sparing, we will kill our enemies in scores of hundreds. Let them be
>>>>> thousands; let them drown themselves in their own blood. For the blood of
>>>>> Lenin and Uritzky, Zinoviev and V_lodarsky, let there be floods of the
>>>>> blood of the bourgeoisie–more blood! As much as possible!”
>>>>> (Krasnaya Gazeta, Sept. 1, 1918).
>>>
>>>>> Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s biographer recounts what it was like to grow up as
>>>>> a Russian Christian child among the children of the Jewish communist elite:
>>>>> “By the age of ten he had the cross ripped from his neck by jeering
>>>>> Pioneers and for over a year was held up to ridicule… Solzhenitsyn was,
>>>>> as a boy, exposed to students whose parents had an officially superior
>>>>> status. Most of the members of the Young Pioneers and Komsomol movements,
>>>>> at least in Rostov, were Jewish children…”
>>>>> (Michael Scammell, Solzhenitsyn: A Biography, p. 64).
>>>
>>>>> Here is the most genocidal political movement in world history, which
>>>>> created the largest concentration camps and the most horrendous slave labor
>>>>> system of the 20th century, in which millions of Christians were
>>>>> slaughtered (on the size of the Gulag concentration camp system cf. C.
>>>>> Andrew and O. Gordievsky, KGB: The Inside Story and N.Y. Times, Oct. 22,
>>>>> 1990, p. 82. None of these camps are being preserved for posterity. Most
>>>>> were destroyed long ago by special military brigades; cf. Michael Specter,
>>>>> “Cold Reminder,” N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
>>>
>>>>> “Israelis and American Jews fully agree that the memory of the Holocaust is
>>>>> an indispensable weapon–one that must be used relentlessly against their
>>>>> common enemy…Jewish organizations and individuals thus labor continuously
>>>>> to remind the world of it. In America, the perpetuation of the Holocaust
>>>>> memory is now a $100-million-a-year enterprise, part of which is
>>>>> government-funded.”
>>>
>>>>> the Israeli author Moshe Leshem:( Balaam’s Curse, p. 228)
>>>
>>>>> In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet communist
>>>>> party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of the total
>>>>> population (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
>>>
>>>>> “National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
>>>>> characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme
>>>>> form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>>>> cannibalism…under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
>>>>> penalty.” (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
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On 14 Dec 1998 05:44:48, [email protected] wrote:
>Subject: THE TORONTO SUN: Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:47:59 +0300
>THE TORONTO SUN, Sunday, December 13, 1998
>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>By ERIC MARGOLIS
>Contributing Foreign Editor
>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show
>trial of that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet,
>the 65th anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly
>ignored. Leftists now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be
>reminded of the Unknown Holocaust.
>
>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in
>Ukraine. Stalin determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent
>farmers – called kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to
>crush Ukraine’s growing spirit of nationalism.
>
> Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed
>terror and dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from
>Moscow
>- earlier versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian
>peasants into collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began
>selective executions of recalcitrant farmers.
>
>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number,
>OGPU was ordered to begin mass executions. But there were simply not
>enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many people, so Stalin
>decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of death – mass
>starvation.
>
>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were
>confiscated from Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator
>Mengistu Haile Mariam used the same method in the 1970s to force
>collectivization: the resulting famine cased one million deaths.)
>
>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail
>lines. Nothing came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and
>looted of food and fuel. Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger,
>cold and sickness.
>
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent
>henchman Lazar Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance.
>Kaganovitch, the Soviet Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000
>Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of all Ukrainian intellectuals were
>executed. A Ukrainian party member named Nikita Khruschchev helped
>supervise the slaughter.
>
>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created
>by Kaganovitch and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets,
>boots and belts, plus bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant
>children.
>
>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s
>custom-made famine and Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day.
>The KGB’s archives, and recent work by Russian historians, show at
>least seven million died. Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine
>million, or higher. Twenty-five percent of Ukraine’s population was
>exterminated.
>
>Millions of victims
>
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot
>during collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10
>million peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in
>Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in
>the USSR; massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial
>genocide accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20
>million war dead.
>
>Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were
>Jewish. The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the
>frightful crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine,
>the Baltic states and Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame
>the Jewish people for both communism and their suffering.
When even a Jew writer admits the truth, perhaps Christmas is near??
As a direct
>result, during the subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the
>region’s innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by
>Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>
>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of
>Europe’s Jews by the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger
>holocaust in Ukraine has been suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s
>genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler began the Jewish Holocaust,
>and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before the world’s gaze. But
>Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or concealed by a
>left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day. In the
>strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney
>Webb and PM Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33
>and proclaimed reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not
>see one under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent
>Walter Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting,
>wrote claims of famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million
>people were dying around them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New
>York Times has never repudiated Duranty’s lies.
>
>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological
>and historical roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime –
>the inevitable result of enforced social engineering and Marxist
>theology.
>
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the
>governments of Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the
>Ukrainian genocide and Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they
>eagerly welcomed him as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who
>Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,” murdered four times more people
>than Adolf Hitler.
>
>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were
>ever brought to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a
>few years ago, still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and
>enjoying a generous state pension.
>
>Eric can be reached by e-mail at: [email protected].
>
>Letters to the editor should be sent to: [email protected].
It seems that even a respected jewish author/writer is admitting that
it was the JEWS with the CHEKA/forerunners of the KGB who murdered
more than 25 million Ukrainians!!!
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On Fri, 25 Dec 1998 19:53:53 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>Another FORGERY from the Jew maggots at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR, who did not
>want normal people to remember the crimes of JEWS/KGB:
>
>On Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:31:29 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:57:37 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>>
>>>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.
>>>>
>>>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>>>sensitive site.
>>>>
>>>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>>>groups.
>>>>
>>>>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests and must be resolved as
>>>>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are beginning to be perceived
>>>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,” she added.
>>>>
>>>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>>>site inevitable.
>>>>
>>>>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>>>>
>>>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site.
>>>>
>>>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex.
>>>>
>>>>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>>>>
>>>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar.
>>>>
>>>>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>>>and nationalists.
>>>>
>>>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>>>forgotten.
>>>>
>>>>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>>>be removed.
>>>>>
>>>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated.
>>>>>
>>>>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the answer but the cross, all
>>>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>>>the-scene discussion.”
>>>>>
>>>>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, “But I don’t see any
>>>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>>>the moment.”
>>>>
>>>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>>>>
>>>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>>>>
>>>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>>>international funding, are on hold.
>>>>
>>>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently.
>>>>
>>>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the “Judenrampe,” the
>>>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign.
>>>>
>>>>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>>>concrete, the crematories.”
>>>>
>>>>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda.
>>>>
>>>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,” wiping out most of
>>>>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>>>>
>>>>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>>>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>>>>
>>>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>>>>
>>>>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland’s tiny
>>>>>Jewish community.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> ——————. UseNet alt.revisionism, Subject: “KOSHER TAX
>> in Canada,” May 30, 1996, Message-ID:
>> [email protected],
>
>> ——————. UseNet alt.revisionism,can.general,qc.general,
>> mtl.general. Subject: “OyVey Concerned About Quebec JEWS,”
>> Date: Sep 27, 1996, Message-ID:
>> [email protected]
>>
>> ——————. UseNet alt.revisionism, Subject: “Re: DON’T FORGET
>> JEW SET UP CHEKA FOR COMMIES,” October 3, 1996, Message-ID:
>> Pine.A[email protected]
>
>> ——————. UseNet ns.general. Subject: “SYNAGOGUE CANTOR
>> CONVICTED OF KIDDIE PORN IN HALIFAX!!!!,” January 7, 1997.
>> Message-Id: [email protected]
>>
>> ——————. UseNet: ont.general,qc.general,mtl.general.
>> Subject: “SYNAGOGUE LEADER IS KIDDIE PORN CRIMINAL!!!,” January 8, 1997.
>> Message-Id: [email protected]
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>> Message-Id: [email protected]
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>> soc.culture.quebec. Subject: “SYNAGOGUE LEADER IS KIDDIE PORN
>> CRIMINAL!!!,” January 8, 1997
>> Message-Id: [email protected]
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>On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:56:46 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>trying to stimulate more interest in this topic,
>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:45:47 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On 3 Jul 1998 06:38:05 GMT,
>Orest Slepokura
>…fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
> Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews…
>
>Here is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.
>
>The Kastner Case
>
>
>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>involving a Jew – Rudolf Kastner.
>
>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
>are generally under the impression that there is some ‘controversy’
>about negotiations he undertook for ‘the purchase of Jewish lives for
>money and military equipment’, but that he was ‘fully rehabilitated’
>by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>
> The Accusations
>
>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>
>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>Herald, he wrote:
>
>I am a Jew. In spite of that – indeed because of that – I accuse
>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>
>This group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
>silence.
>
>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
>Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz – the
>number is still on my arm – I compiled careful statistics of the
>exterminations.
>
>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
>was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
>Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>chambers…Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, ‘I know of your
>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.’
>
>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>bargaining end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars.
>With this little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine…(Ben
>Hecht, Perfidy, pp261-2)
>
>These accusations are confirmed by the ‘Eichmann Confessions’
>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>
>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>elsewhere…In obedience to Himmler’s directive I now concentrated on
>negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest…Among
>them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from
>resisting deportation – and even keep order in the collection camps –
>if I could close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young
>Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>
>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was
>not too high for me.
>
>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>
>Dr. Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel…
>
>>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>>>thousand
>>>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal ‘You
>>>can
>>>have the others’, he would say, ‘but let me have this group here’. And
>>>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the
>>>deportation
>>>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews…That was the
>>>’gentleman’s agreement’ I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>>
>>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to ‘the purchase
>>>of
>>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment’.
>>>
>>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>>
>>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>>>than
>>>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent
>>>Zionist
>>>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>> The Verdict
>>>
>>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>>>panel
>>>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel’s District Court of
>>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>>>The
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>>>studied
>>>carefully.
>>>
>>>The masses of Jews from Hungary’s ghettos obediently boarded the
>>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>>>confidence
>>>in the false information that they were being transferred to
>>>Kenyermeze.
>>>
>>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>>>they
>>>not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>>
>>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>>>others
>>>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the
>>>Jews.
>>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>>>of
>>>Jewish leaders.
>>>
>>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>>>leaders
>>>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>>>spreading
>>>such false information and did not protest.
>>>
>>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local ‘rescue work’.
>>>
>>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>>>hampering
>>>the deportation orders.
>>>
>>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>>>dozen
>>>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower
>>>these few
>>>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>>>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>>
>>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>>>Jews in
>>>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>>
>>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>>>their
>>>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders
>>>who
>>>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>>>deportations…these
>>>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride
>>>to
>>>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>>
>>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>>>extermination
>>>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in
>>>Budapest
>>>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this
>>>as a
>>>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured,
>>>dependent on
>>>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its
>>>fatal
>>>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the
>>>Jewish
>>>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the
>>>catastrophe.
>>>
>>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>>>Jewry
>>>and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>>
>>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>>>task
>>>easier.
>>>
>>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>>
>>>chiefs.
>>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>>underground.
>>>
>>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>>>Nazis
>>>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S.
>>>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>>>Rescue
>>>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>>
>>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>>>these
>>>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the
>>>extermination plan of the killers ?
>>>
>>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner’s Rescue
>>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>>>friends
>>>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary – their total
>>>annihilation.
>>>
>>>The Nazi’s patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>>>six
>>>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>>>to him
>>>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a
>>>great
>>>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that
>>>would
>>>also justify his conduct – his political negotiation with Nazis and
>>>the
>>>Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>>
>>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>>>soul to
>>>the German Satan.
>>>
>>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>>>order
>>>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>>>between
>>>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation
>>>into
>>>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis
>>>promised
>>>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian
>>>Jews
>>>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative
>>>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that
>>>Kastner
>>>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp
>>>and
>>>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents
>>>and
>>>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out
>>>from
>>>the book of the living.
>>>
>>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner’s collaboration and
>>>put
>>>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not
>>>only
>>>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>>
>>>All of Kastner’s answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>>>to
>>>evade this truth.
>>>
>>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>>>wall
>>>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly
>>>to
>>>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53;
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem,
>>>June 22,
>>>1955).
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>>>’new
>>>line’ of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>>
>>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the ‘new line’
>>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>>
>>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>>’rescue’ work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>>>of
>>>Kastner’s involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>>criminals.
>>>
>>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>>>Kastner
>>>also needed an alibi for himself.
>>>
>>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>>>Kastner’s
>>>duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the S.S.
>>>
>>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>>>the
>>>Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>>
>>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>>>were
>>>coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler”.
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>>
>>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>>>when
>>>he denied he had interceded in Becher’s behalf. Moreover, he concealed
>>>the
>>>important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>>
>>>As to the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, it was enough for the
>>>defense to
>>>provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to
>>>remove
>>>Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>>
>>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>>criminal.
>>>
>>>The lies in the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, the lies in his
>>>testimony
>>>concerning the document, and Kastner’s knowing participation in the
>>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last
>>>minute
>>>fake rescue activities – all these combine to show one overwhelming
>>>truth –
>>>that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>>
>>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>>>stood up
>>>against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has declared in
>>>the
>>>affidavit.
>>>
>>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>>>but to
>>>serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth and no
>>>good
>>>faith in Kastner’s testimony, ‘I never doubted for one moment the good
>>>intention of good Becher’.
>>>
>>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>>>his
>>>own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>>>World
>>>Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>>>exaggerate
>>>when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because of his
>>>personal
>>>intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the
>>>contradictions
>>>and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were sufficient to
>>>annul the value of his statements and to prove that there was no good
>>>faith
>>>in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal. Kastner’s
>>>affidavit
>>>in favor of Becher was a wilfully false affidavit given in favor of a
>>>war
>>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>>
>>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>>>his
>>>statements.”
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi’s verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>>>libel
>>>against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproved
>>>accusation – that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>>>ordered
>>>the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli pounds
>>>as
>>>court costs.
>>>
>>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>>>pointed to
>>>much more than that.
>>>
>>>But the story does not end there.
>>>
>>>The Reaction
>>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha’am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>>
>>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>>>know now
>>>clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder” (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>>Government of Israel.
>>>
>>>As the evening paper *Yedi’ot Aharonot* said:
>>>
>>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>>political and national collapse – as a result of what such a trial may
>>>disclose.” (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>>>instead
>>>it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal
>>>libel.
>>>
>>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>>>government
>>>announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed – an appeal filed.
>>>What
>>>exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>>>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>>>appeal on
>>>a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>>
>>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>>>of
>>>Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>>>was
>>>defending Kastner so strongly:
>>>
>>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>>>National
>>>Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here
>>>in
>>>this court to defend the representative of our national institutions.”
>>>(Hecht, p. 268)
>>>
>>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner’s collaboration
>>>was
>>>not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>>leadership.
>>>
>>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>>>But
>>>the story gets worse.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>>>
>>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>>>the
>>>name
>>>of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point
>>>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not ‘fully
>>>rehabilitated’.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>>>court –
>>>that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>>>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>>>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being ‘fully
>>>rehabilitated’.
>>>
>>>
>>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>>>these
>>>facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two,
>>>found
>>>that Kastner’s actions were morally justifiable and convicted
>>>Greenwald of
>>>criminal libel for calling this ‘collaboration’.
>>>
>>>Kastner’s actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>>>the
>>>defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that
>>>prove
>>>conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>>
>>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>>>Kastner.
>>>They joined him.
>>>
>>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>>Chesin:
>>>
>>>….What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>>>Kluj,
>>>people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the
>>>end of
>>>their journey…Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying, ‘The
>>>Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree’. This
>>>vivid
>>>description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>>>Hungarian Jews, ‘This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without
>>>any
>>>ideological Jewish backbone’ (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in
>>>Budapest,
>>>protocol 465).
>>>
>>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, ‘The
>>>Jews
>>>of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>>>neither
>>>physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>>>against the deportation scheme’…From this point of view no rescue
>>>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to
>>>the
>>>Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on can
>>>properly
>>>conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>>
>>>….And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>>>when
>>>he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result
>>>from
>>>his great despair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community.
>>>Even
>>>then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration and
>>>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>>>Kastner’s efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale…And
>>>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and
>>>say
>>>that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>>>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few
>>>Jews
>>>from Hell – this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>>>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their
>>>plan to
>>>exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>>
>>>Even if, through these activities of his – or rather, his omission –
>>>the
>>>extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question
>>>is not
>>>whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>>>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>>>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting
>>>its
>>>doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of
>>>his
>>>efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he
>>>disclose
>>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>>>everybody
>>>will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the
>>>blood of
>>>the few bring if everybody is to perish?…As I said, I am not arguing
>>>with
>>>the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish
>>>District
>>>Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that
>>>his
>>>findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived
>>>at.
>>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>>>extermination
>>>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both
>>>from a
>>>moral and public point of view…
>>>
>>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>>>who
>>>boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination,
>>>one
>>>has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and
>>>Marton,
>>>and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an
>>>hour of
>>>crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not
>>>warn
>>>and did not cry out of the coming danger….
>>>
>>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>>>Court
>>>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>>>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in
>>>Hungary
>>>during the last war.” (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>>
>>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner’s contempt for the
>>>Hungarian
>>>Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what
>>>many
>>>other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did – concealing their
>>>knowledge of
>>>the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>>>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist ‘leaders’ boarded a different
>>>train for Palestine.
>>>
>>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>>>
>>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>>>Silberg:
>>>
>>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>>>the
>>>leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have
>>>a
>>>clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing
>>>here
>>>with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>>>guilt of others….
>>>
>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>>>an
>>>opinion….’Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray
>>>of
>>>hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>>>result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret of the
>>>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the
>>>few –
>>>therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of
>>>collaborating
>>>with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews, even
>>>though, in
>>>fact, he brought about its result.’
>>>
>>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>>>such
>>>an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>>>cooperation
>>>with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and without the
>>>knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the
>>>decisive
>>>consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from the
>>>testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of
>>>the
>>>Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been
>>>able
>>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>>>concealment of
>>>children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money, bribery,
>>>etc. –
>>>and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds of
>>>thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete
>>>certainty
>>>and with an extreme ‘no’ the efficiency of all the many and varied
>>>rescue
>>>ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does
>>>he
>>>decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation
>>>of the
>>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>>>as
>>>his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to
>>>a
>>>claim of such good faith…
>>>
>>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>>>die
>>>so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will
>>>come
>>>out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an
>>>individual
>>>erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other
>>>patients. He
>>>is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>>
>>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>>>complete
>>>loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue
>>>operation
>>>could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>>
>>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>>>was
>>>put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>>>Kastner
>>>himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make
>>>this
>>>claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report
>>>to the
>>>Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in
>>>the
>>>countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>>>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue,
>>>and
>>>the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>>>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed
>>>the
>>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>>>resisting
>>>the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and
>>>activity.
>>>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing…
>>>
>>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>>
>>>A. That the Nazis didn’t want to have a great revolt – nor small
>>>revolts,
>>>and their passion was to have the extermination machine working
>>>smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner from
>>>the best source – from Eichmann himself – And he had additional proofs
>>>of
>>>that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics
>>>which
>>>were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>>>
>>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with – or
>>>the
>>>escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>>>murder.
>>>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
>>>evidence for this.
>>>
>>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>>>of
>>>the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>>
>>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner…He who is capable of
>>>rescuing
>>>this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great war
>>>criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his eyes…I couldn’t
>>>base
>>>the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it
>>>is
>>>attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws
>>>retroactive
>>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>>conclusion.”(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>>
>>>
>>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>>>their
>>>attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have
>>>been
>>>under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate
>>>collaboration
>>>with the Nazis.
>>>
>>>But Judge Silberg’s judgement was that of a minority.
>>>
>>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>>
>>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>>>with
>>>the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>>
>>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>>>gave
>>>on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to
>>>remain
>>>a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with
>>>an
>>>estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>>
>>>Becher has even used his certification as a ‘good’ SS officer to give
>>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>>>West
>>>Germany.
>>>
>>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>>>the
>>>Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>>>pressure
>>>that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for fear of
>>>what
>>>might come out.
>>>
>>>Likewise, none of Kastner’s associates on the Zionist Relief and
>>>Rescue
>>>Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on
>>>trial .
>>>Let alone the hundreds of ‘prominents’ who helped Kastner to reassure
>>>the
>>>Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz,
>>>in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them eventually to
>>>Palestine.
>>>
>>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>>>was
>>>approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership
>>>in
>>>Palestine. He is ‘now dead’. Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March
>>>1957
>>>he was shot by Zeev Eckstein – immediately after the appeal hearings
>>>were
>>>concluded, and before the judgement ‘rehabilitating’ him was
>>>delivered.
>>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>>>of the
>>>Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another ‘fantastic
>>>allegation’ no doubt; but admitted in court during the murder trial).
>
>
>sven88
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Subject: Crosses at Auschwitz-Anti-Christian JEWS!!!
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On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:15:01 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:50:06 GMT, [email protected]
>>wrote:
>>>On 20 Oct 1998 14:46:50 GMT, “firefly”
>>>wrote:
>>>>THE CROSS IS NOBODY BUSSINESS< IT IS ON POLAND LAND
>>>>POLAND HAS THE RIGHT TO PUT WHAT THEY WANT INSIDE
>>>>IN THEIR COUNTRY.THIS IS INTERNAL AFFAIR < IT IS NOT AOUR
>>>>AFFAIR.COMPRENDE!!!!
>>>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:41:02 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2
>>>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>>
>>>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.
>>>>
>>>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>>>sensitive site.
>>>>
>>>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>>>groups.
>>>>
>>>>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests and must be resolved as
>>>>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are beginning to be perceived
>>>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,” she added.
>>>>
>>>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>>>site inevitable.
>>>>
>>>>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>>>>
>>>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site.
>>>>
>>>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex.
>>>>
>>>>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>>>>
>>>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar.
>>>>
>>>>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>>>and nationalists.
>>>>
>>>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>>>forgotten.
>>>>
>>>>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>>>be removed.
>>>>>
>>>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated.
>>>>>
>>>>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the answer but the cross, all
>>>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>>>the-scene discussion.”
>>>>>
>>>>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, “But I don’t see any
>>>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>>>the moment.”
>>>>
>>>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>>>>
>>>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>>>>
>>>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>>>international funding, are on hold.
>>>>
>>>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently.
>>>>
>>>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the “Judenrampe,” the
>>>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign.
>>>>
>>>>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>>>concrete, the crematories.”
>>>>
>>>>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda.
>>>>
>>>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,” wiping out most of
>>>>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>>>>
>>>>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>>>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>>>>
>>>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>>>>
>>>>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland’s tiny
>>>>>Jewish community.
>>>
From [email protected] Sun Dec 27 14:08:34 EST 1998
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Subject: Re: Why the preoccupation with Jews in Ukraine?
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On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:05:56 -0500, “Gene”
>It seems to me that most of the threads and new messages to
>this news group are about Jews. Why? Is there nothing else
>in Ukraine to comment on? Are there no other issues to
>post?
>
>This is a rhetorical question and requires NO flames.
Surely the attached news story, written by a prominent Jewwriter, may
expolain some of the resentment by people in Ukraine regarding the
role of JEWS and the hated Soviet Secret Police which was established
by the JEW DZERZHINSKI.
When more than 25 million of a nation are murdered by the JEW-led
CHEKA/NKVD now called KGB, what did you expect?
On 14 Dec 1998 05:44:48, [email protected] wrote:
>Reply-To:
>From: “nikst”
>Subject: THE TORONTO SUN: Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:47:59 +0300
>THE TORONTO SUN, Sunday, December 13, 1998
>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>By ERIC MARGOLIS
>Contributing Foreign Editor
>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show
>trial of that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet,
>the 65th anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly
>ignored. Leftists now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be
>reminded of the Unknown Holocaust.
>
>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in
>Ukraine. Stalin determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent
>farmers – called kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to
>crush Ukraine’s growing spirit of nationalism.
>
> Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed
>terror and dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from
>Moscow
>- earlier versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian
>peasants into collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began
>selective executions of recalcitrant farmers.
>
>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number,
>OGPU was ordered to begin mass executions. But there were simply not
>enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many people, so Stalin
>decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of death – mass
>starvation.
>
>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were
>confiscated from Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator
>Mengistu Haile Mariam used the same method in the 1970s to force
>collectivization: the resulting famine cased one million deaths.)
>
>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail
>lines. Nothing came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and
>looted of food and fuel. Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger,
>cold and sickness.
>
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent
>henchman Lazar Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance.
>Kaganovitch, the Soviet Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000
>Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of all Ukrainian intellectuals were
>executed. A Ukrainian party member named Nikita Khruschchev helped
>supervise the slaughter.
>
>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created
>by Kaganovitch and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets,
>boots and belts, plus bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant
>children.
>
>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s
>custom-made famine and Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day.
>The KGB’s archives, and recent work by Russian historians, show at
>least seven million died. Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine
>million, or higher. Twenty-five percent of Ukraine’s population was
>exterminated.
>
>Millions of victims
>
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot
>during collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10
>million peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in
>Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in
>the USSR; massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial
>genocide accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20
>million war dead.
>
>Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were
>Jewish. The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the
>frightful crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine,
>the Baltic states and Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame
>the Jewish people for both communism and their suffering.
When even a Jew writer admits the truth, perhaps Christmas is near??
As a direct
>result, during the subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the
>region’s innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by
>Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>
>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of
>Europe’s Jews by the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger
>holocaust in Ukraine has been suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s
>genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler began the Jewish Holocaust,
>and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before the world’s gaze. But
>Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or concealed by a
>left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day. In the
>strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney
>Webb and PM Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33
>and proclaimed reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not
>see one under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent
>Walter Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting,
>wrote claims of famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million
>people were dying around them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New
>York Times has never repudiated Duranty’s lies.
>
>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological
>and historical roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime –
>the inevitable result of enforced social engineering and Marxist
>theology.
>
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the
>governments of Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the
>Ukrainian genocide and Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they
>eagerly welcomed him as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who
>Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,” murdered four times more people
>than Adolf Hitler.
>
>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were
>ever brought to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a
>few years ago, still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and
>enjoying a generous state pension.
>
>Eric can be reached by e-mail at: [email protected].
>
>Letters to the editor should be sent to: [email protected].
From [email protected] Sun Dec 27 14:08:35 EST 1998
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Subject: Positive Jew role models=collaborators
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On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:30:39 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 19:19:14 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:48:22 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>In view of the well documented fact that almost half of the 600,000 JEWS
>>>>in Germany prior to WWII were then in the German military, onemust
>>>>consider whether these JEWS working for Hitler, were in fact a positive
>>>>role model???
>>>>PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>>> Positive Jewish role models
>>>>> Alan Silver.. wrote:
>>>>> > once again, your point is extremely obscure, and irrelevant. Whatever
>>>>> > collaboration there may have been, even if it was entirely voluntary, does
>>>>> > not for an instant excuse the crimes of the nazis and their collaborators
>>>>> > — crimes against Jews or Poles or others they used as slave labor, or
>>>>> > whatever.
>>>>> =========
>>>>> Dear Alan,
>>>>> Thank you for your email. I am posting your letter, while removing your
>>>>> signature.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are absolutely correct on the collaboration of Jews with the Nazis.
>>>>> Yes, it is hardly significant. The fact that some Jews collaborated and
>>>>> were bad (or HORRIBLY BAD) is the favorite argument of anti-Semites.
>>>>> Sure there were BAD Jews but perhaps in equal numbers BAD Poles
>>>>> Ukrainians and Germans. We use the above factual anti-Semitic argument
>>>>> very infrequently, since we are not anti-Semites.
>>>>> actually, we are true philo-Semite, who LOVE Jewish culture, tradition
>>>>> and admire Jewish achievements world over. (And yes I am jelous of it
>>>>> in a benign manner, like I am jelous of my billionaire neighbors here in
>>>>> Greenwich while I can not afford to buy a house.)
>>>>> Out of this admiration (of even Jewish kitchen i.e. sweets) I feel that
>>>>> Jews should be warned about their pathological dependece on fictitious
>>>>> martyrology. The myth of Massada has been debunked about two years ago
>>>>> by Israeli archeologists. It is about the time that the mythical parts
>>>>> of the WW II Holocasut should be also debunked, especially those which
>>>>> defame Poles and Ukrainians of whom 2,000 lost lives for hiding and
>>>>> helping Jews.
>>>>> Thus it is important to find the first and subsequent mass graves and
>>>>> bones of the 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the time to cremate.
>>>>> Thus it is important that Jews LOUDLY refute that in Yedvabne Polish
>>>>> boys decapitated Jewish maidens in July 1941 and used their heads to
>>>>> play soccer and their parents burned alive 1,600 of the Yedvabne Jews in
>>>>> a barn on July 11, 19941.
>>>>> Equally imoportant is to prove and refute the fact that Poles killed
>>>>> 42-70 Jews in 1946 in Kielce or 5,000 during 1945-1946 throught Poland.
>>>>> Simultaneously we attempt to convince you to raise your youth on the
>>>>> countless positive Jewish role models starting from B. Spoinoza and many
>>>>> many others. My favorites are Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan and perhaps Y.
>>>>> Rubin.
>>>>> ————
>>>>> Jozef pawlikowski
>>>>> > > From: PAWLIKOWSKI
>>>>> > > Subject: Re: Jewish police zyd. Ordnungdienst
>>>>> > > Date: September 30, 1997 11:35 AM
>>>>> > > Rostyk Lewyckyj wrote:
>>>>> > > > In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> > > > |PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>>> > > > |> On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>>>>> > > > |> service was completely voluntary. It was called Ordnungdienst. Their
>>>>> > > > |> emblem was a light alloy Star of David. The social background of these
>>>>> > > > |> Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>>>>> > > > |> post-graduate degrees, 60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>>>>> > > > |> education. These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>>>>> > > > |> But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>>>>> > > > |> Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>>>>> > > > |> of his book. In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>>>>> > > > |> journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>>>>> > > > |> from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>>>>> > > > |> closed.
>>>>> > > > |The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>>>>> > > > |longer or die now!
>>>>> > > > Herman
>>>>> > > > Will you allow the same explanation when it is used by a Ukrainian, Polack,
>>>>> > > > Balt or other untermensh who was made to serve as a policeman or camp
>>>>> > > > guard for the Nazis in the Reich? I believe that the USA, Canadian, and
>>>>> > > > other countries immigration services are urged by the Jewish community
>>>>> > > > not to accept this explanation and to persecute such individuals, unless
>>>>> > > > they happen to be jews.
>>>>> > > > |Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>>>>> > > > |ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next “relocation”!
>>>>> > > > |> While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>>>>> > > > |> intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>>>>> > > > |> Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>>>>> > > > |> description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>>>>> > > > |> Lodz. German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>>>>> > > > |> Wisenthal Museum in LA. Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>>>>> > > > |> three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>>>>> > > > |> Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>>>>> > > > |> the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>>>>> > > > What if anything does the commentary accompanying this film, (surely
>>>>> > > > there is a commentary?), say about these policemen? Does it label them
>>>>> > > > with any nationality?
>>>>> > > > –Rostyk
>>>>> > > ===============
>>>>> > > to get the sound track one would have to purchase copy of the film.
>>>>> > > Research costs $$$. Would you donate $50.00 to this purchase for
>>>>> > > starters.
>>>>> > > There is little doubt that these were Jews hanging Jews. I can make out
>>>>> > > stars of David on their armbands
>>>>> > > J
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On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:22:42 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>This story, documented by a well respected Jewish writer, was carried
>in many other newspapers across Canada.
>The Zionist murderers are angry that it was written by a Jew, to tell
>the TRUTH for a change!!!
>On 17 Dec 1998 08:05:54 GMT, “Koshercook”
>wrote:
>>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and
>>Still Hide It From Us…]
>>Archived for Scholarly Study
>>From the Toronto Sun – December 13, 1998
>>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor
>>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of
>>that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th
>>anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists
>>now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be reminded of the Unknown
>>Holocaust.
>>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin
>>determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent farmers – called
>>kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine’s
>>growing spirit of nationalism.
>>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
>>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow – earlier
>>versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into
>>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of
>>recalcitrant farmers.
>>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU
>>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many
>>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of
>>death – mass starvation.
>>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
>>Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used
>>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine
>>cased one million deaths.)
>>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing
>>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel.
>>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar
>>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet
>>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of
>>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named
>>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.
>>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch
>>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus
>>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.
>>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s custom-made famine and
>>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB’s archives, and
>>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died.
>>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five
>>percent of Ukraine’s population was exterminated. Millions of victims
>>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
>>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million
>>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia,
>>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR;
>>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide
>>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war
>>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
>>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes
>>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and
>>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both
>>communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent
>>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the
>>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s Jews by
>>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been
>>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler
>>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before
>>the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or
>>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day.
>>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM
>>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed
>>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not see one
>>under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent Walter
>>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of
>>famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million people were dying around
>>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated
>>Duranty’s lies.
>>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical
>>roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime – the inevitable
>>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of
>>Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian genocide and
>>Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him as an ally
>>during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,”
>>murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.
>>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought
>>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago,
>>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state
>>pension.
Even honest Jews are finally realising the truth about the genocides
of their compatriots!!!
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Subject: MORE- JEW RABBIS LAUNDER DRUG MONEY IN NY!!!!
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On Mon, 23 Nov 1998 00:41:06 -0800, wawrzek
wrote:
>Most people do not want to believe this, as much as they did not want to believe
>Clinton lied. They think of the Jew as righteous and as chosen. I have dealt with
>Jews for many years, and I can tell you that they are capable of ANYTHING.
>Believe me, I have seen them do things that the average person would not believe. And
>in each and every case, it was for the buck. The true God of Jews is the Almighty
>dollar and I defy anyone to dispute that.
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:39:30 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>> >Another JEW Rabbi in NY state has been caught dealing drugs – this
>> >time inside a prison!!!
>> >Rabbi Eli Gottesman,a chaplain at a federal medium security prison at
>> >Ray Brook, NY got caught with a large bottle filled with sealed
>> >balloons of cocaine and marijuana.
>> >
>> >He is a former head of the “who’s Who in canadian Jewry”, and has been
>> >a chaplain of the year named by the NY Board of rabbis.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:52:54 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >>It seems that JEWS are not satisfied with having murdered Jesus
>> >>Christ.
>> >
>> >>Now some of them are involved, even from synagogues, in the DRUGS
>> >>business.
>> >>On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:10:26 -0800, in alt.revisionism
>> >>[email protected] (Michael A. Hoffman II) wrote:
>> >
>> >>>Michael A. Hoffman II comments: Why didn’t these two Orthodox Hasidic
>> >>>(Bobover sect) rabbis enjoy the usual rabbinic immunity from arrest for
>> >>>their crimes? Could it be that their mantle of protection was removed by
>> >>>the more powerful Reform and Conservative Jews in America with whom they
>> >>>are at war in occupied Palestine over issues pertaining to modernity and
>> >>>conversion? Is this a warning to the Orthodox to back off from their
>> >>>assaults on Reform and Orthodox Jews? For more go to:
>> >>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>> >——————————————————————————
>> >2 Rabbis Charged With Money Laundering
>> >
>> >By ROBERT D. McFADDEN NY Times June 17, 1997
>> >
>> >NEW YORK — A dozen men, including two identified as Orthodox Jewish
>> >rabbis, were charged by federal authorities Monday with conspiring to
>> >launder and hide $1.75 million in drug profits for Colombian
>> >narcotics dealers by routing the cash through the bank accounts of a
>> >synagogue and a yeshiva in Brooklyn.
>> >
>> >The bizarre case, federal prosecutors in Brooklyn said, brought
>> >together a collection of strange bedfellows — five New York
>> >representatives of Colombian drug traffickers, three go-betweens who
>> >purportedly transported cash in suitcase quantities, and four men with
>> >ties to a close-knit Jewish community.
>> >
>> > At one point, the officials charged, the rabbis ran tens of millions
>> >of dollars in drug profits through the bank accounts of a relatively
>> >modest Borough Park synagogue and provided nearly $3.5 million from
>> >American and Swiss accounts for the purchase of an aircraft for the
>> >Colombian drug lords.
>> >
>> >”Money launderers are the indispensable partners of major drug
>> >traffickers, and the cynical act of using religious institutions to
>> >conceal drug proceeds is particularly reprehensible,” said Zachary
>> >Carter, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of New York, in
>> >announcing the charges.
>> >
>> >Seven defendants, including Rabbi Mahir Reiss, 47, of 3543 Bedford
>> >Ave., and Rabbi Bernard Grunfeld, 64, of 1417 46th St., both in
>> >Brooklyn, were arrested Monday and were arraigned late in the day
>> >before U.S. Magistrate Judge Roanne L. Mann, charged with conspiracy
>> >to launder money. Two suspects, Grunfeld and Israel Knobloch, 24, of
>> >5200 15th Ave., Brooklyn, also were charged with conspiring to avoid
>> >federal cash-transaction reporting requirements.
>> >
>> >Six defendants were held without bail, and one, Abraham Reiss, 48, of
>> >320 Riverside Drive in Manhattan, a brother of Mahir Reiss, was
>> >released on $750,000 bail. Three other men named in the federal
>> >complaint were listed as fugitives, and two more were being held in
>> >custody elsewhere in New York in other cases, according to Lee Dunst,
>> >the assistant federal attorney prosecuting the case.
>> >
>> >Unveiling a three-year undercover investigation that used
>> >court-authorize wiretaps and other surveillance, the federal complaint
>> >charged that the two rabbis and Abraham Reiss laundered $750,000 by
>> >taking cash from go-betweens, depositing it in the bank accounts of a
>> >synagogue-based organization and, after subtracting commissions,
>> >writing checks to drug traffickers.
>> >
>> >Investigators said the bank accounts used in the scheme, held in the
>> >name of Chaim Shel Shulem, which shares quarters with Congregation
>> >Eitz Chaim at 1577 48th St. in Borough Park, held deposits of more
>> >than $19 million during the 10-month period when the laundering
>> >transactions occurred, between August 1995 and May 1996.
>> >
>> >Grunfeld, listed as the president of Chaim Shel Shulem, was said to
>> >have written all the checks that went to the drug traffickers. He and
>> >Knobloch were also accused of concealing the movement of $1 million in
>> >drug money by making 95 deposits and withdrawals of just under $10,000
>> >– the amount that triggers a government cash-transaction reporting
>> >requirement — through the bank accounts of Congregation Eitz Chaim
>> >and Bobover Yeshiva, at the same location.
>> >
>> >The defendants made no statements in court Monday. While Grunfeld was
>> >listed by prosecutors as the head of Chaim Shel Shulem, dozens of
>> >people at Congregation Eitz Chaim late Monday declined to say anything
>> >about him or the case. Some seemed not to recognize the name Chaim
>> >Shel Shulem.
>> >
>> >The synagogue and yeshiva are in a five-story building with a brick
>> >front and a small awning imprinted with the institution’s name in
>> >Hebrew. The only words in English on the facade call it “the Katz
>> >Family of Mexico Building.”
>> >
>> >In a ground-floor, two-room school lined with books, about 100 people
>> >were studying at tables. A man who appeared to be in charge, but who
>> >would not give his name, said he knew nothing about the two rabbis
>> >named in the federal complaint.
>> >
>> >The federal investigation — an undertaking of the U.S. Attorney’s
>> >Office, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Internal Revenue Service
>> >– began in 1994, when agents detected a pattern of cash deposits and
>> >withdrawals intended to circumvent the government’s reporting rules in
>> >various bank accounts held in the name of the synagogue and yeshiva,
>> >officials said.
>> >
>> >With court-authorized telephone wiretaps, surveillance and other
>> >techniques, the investigators said they uncovered a conspiracy in
>> >which Grunfeld and Knobloch eventually made more than $1 million in
>> >deposits and withdrawals — transactions, they said, that let the
>> >conspirators move large sums of illicit drug profits.
>> >
>> >Later, in 1995 and 1996, investigators said, the 12 men named in
>> >Monday’s complaint conducted a full money-laundering operation. Five
>> >of them — Lisandro Montes De Oca, 29; Francisco Gil, 30; Estenio
>> >Rodriguez, 30; Juan Suarez, 39, and Alvaro Duque, 36 –were said to
>> >have brought in large sums that Colombian drug dealers wanted to
>> >launder.
>> >
>> >The money was given to three men described as intermediaries — Jack
>> >Pinski, 35, a Colombian who is a fugitive, and Roberto Buendia, 40,
>> >and Fabio Arana, both of Medford, N.Y. They were said to have counted
>> >and stashed the money at an apartment at 243 West 75th St.
>> >
>> >There, prosecutors said, Abraham Reiss picked up the money. It was
>> >later deposited in various accounts held in the name of Chaim Shel
>> >Shulem.
>> >
>> >Grunfeld, the organization’s president, signed checks that were made
>> >out to “entities in accordance with drug traffickers’ instructions,”
>> >the federal complaint said.
>> >
>> >Those instructions were communicated through Rabbi Reiss, who had no
>> >formal connections to Chaim Shel Shulem, investigators said.
>> >Commissions of 13 percent to 15 percent were deducted from the
>> >laundered money and divided among the intermediaries.
>> >
>> >Prosecutors said they did not know how members of a deeply religious
>> >community came into contact with professional money launderers and
>> >drug traffickers. But they charged that in 1994, Rabbis Reiss and
>> >Grunfeld, and Abraham Reiss arranged $3.4 million in financing to buy
>> >a Beech Super King aircraft, a type commonly used by drug smugglers.
>> >================================================================================
>> >The Campaign for Radical Truth in History: http://www.hoffman-info.com
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Subject: Ethnic Jew – Most Dangerous Mobster in the World
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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:53:15 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:15:39 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>http://www.villagevoice.com/ink/news/21friedman.shtml
>>>>The Village Voice
>>>>22May98
>>If the following story is true, why has INTERPOL not done anything??
>>Just because the criminals are JEWS??
>>>The Most Dangerous Mobster in the World
>>>According to the FBI and Israeli Intelligence, Semion Mogilevich Rules
>>>Over an Arms-Trafficking, Money-Laundering, Drug-Running, and
>>>Art-Smuggling ‘Red Mafia’
>>>by Robert I. Friedman
>>
>>
>>>In two posh villas outside the small town of Ricany, near Prague, one
>>>of the most dreaded mob families in the world savagely murders its
>>>terrified victims. The mob’s young enforcers, trained by veterans of
>>>the Afghanistan war, are infamous for their extreme brutality. Their
>>>quarry, usually businessmen who have balked at extortion demands, are
>>>repeatedly stabbed and tortured, then mutilated before they are
>>>butchered. The carnage is so hideous that it has scared the daylights
>>>out of competing crime groups in the area.
>>
>>>The torture chambers are run by what international police officials call
>>>the Red Mafia, a notorious Russian mob family that in onlysix years has
>>>become a nefarious global crime cartel. Based in Budapest, it haskey
>>>centers in New York, Pennsylvania, Southern California, and as far away
>>>as New Zealand.
>>>
>>>The enigmatic leader of the Red Mafia is a 52-year-old Ukrainian-born
>>>JEW named Semion Mogilevich. He is a shadowy figure known as the
>>>”Brainy Don”–he holds an economics degree from the University of
>>>Lvov–and until now, he has never been exposed by the media. But the
>>>Voice has obtained hundreds of pages of classified FBI and Israeli
>>>intelligence documents from August 1996, and these documents–as well
>>>as recent interviews with a key criminal associate and with dozens of
>>>law enforcement sources here and abroad–describe him as someone who
>>>has become a grave threat to the stability of Israel and Eastern Europe.
>>
>>>”He’s the most powerful mobster in the world,” crows Monya Elson, who
>>>is listed in classified documents as one of Mogilevich’s closest
>>>associates and partners in prostitution and money laundering rings. The
>>>Brighton Beach-based Elson, who once led a pack of thugs and killers
>>>known as Monya’s Brigada, is currently in the Metropolitan Correctional
>>>Center in lower Manhattan awaiting trial for three murders and numerous
>>>extortions.
>>
>>>In July 1993, after Elson was grievously wounded by rival mobsters in a
>>>bloody shoot-out outside his Brooklyn apartment building, Mogilevich
>>>spirited him out of the country. Mogilevich then set up his Russian
>>>Jewish refugee friend in an alleged massive money-laundering scheme in
>>>Fano, Italy, where he was eventually arrested and extradited back to
>>>America. Elson, an integral part of the Red Mafia, had been one of the
>>>most feared mobsters in Brighton Beach, ground zero for Russian
>>>organized crime in America, which has exploded here following
>>>perestroika.
>>>
>>>”If I tell on Mogilevich, Interpol will give me $20 million,” boasted
>>>Elson. ”I lived with him. I’m his partner, don’t forget. We are very,
>>>very close friends. I don’t mean close, I mean very, very close. He’s my
>>>best friend.” Nevertheless, after extensive interviews over the course
>>>of the last six months, Elson ultimately confirmed some of the details
>>>about Mogilevich contained in the classified FBI and Israeli documents.
>>>
>>>Allegations of Mogilevich’s devilish array of criminal activities are
>>>extensively detailed in the reports:The FBI and Israeli intelligence
>>>assert that he traffics in nuclear materials, drugs, prostitutes,
>>>precious gems, and stolen art. His contract hit squads operate in the
>>>U.S. and Europe. He controls everything that goes in and out of Moscow’s
>>>Sheremetyevo International Airport, a ”smugglers’ paradise,” says
>>>Elson. Mogilevich bought a bankrupt airline in a former Central Asian
>>>Soviet republic for millions of dollars in cash so he could haul heroin
>>>out of the Golden Triangle. Most worrisome to U.S. authorities is
>>>Mogilevich’s apparently legal purchase of virtually the entire Hungarian
>>>armaments industry, jeopardizing regional security, NATO, and the war
>>>against terrorism.
>>>
>>>In one typical criminal deal, Mogilevich and two Moscow-based gangsters
>>>sold $20 million worth of pilfered Warsaw Pact weapons from East
>>>Germany, including ground-to-air missiles and 12 armored troop
>>>carriers, according to the classified Israeli and FBI documents. The
>>>buyer was Iran, says a top-level U.S. Customs official who requested
>>>anonymity.
>>>
>>>In another deal, an FBI informant told the bureau that one of
>>>Mogilevich’s chief lieutenants in Los Angeles met two Russians from New
>>>York City with Genovese crime family ties to broker a scheme to dump
>>>American toxic waste in Russia. Mogilevich’s man from L.A. said the Red
>>>Mafia would dispose of the toxic waste in the Chernobyl region,
>>>”probably through payoffs to the decontamination authorities there,”
>>>says a classified FBI report.
>>>
>>>Mogilevich is particularly intrigued by art fraud. In early 1993, he
>>>reached an agreement with the leaders of the powerful Solntsevskaya
>>>crime family in Moscow to invest huge sums of money in a joint venture:
>>>acquiring a jewelry business in Moscow and Budapest. The business,
>>>according to classified FBI documents, was to serve as a front for the
>>>acquisition of jewelry, antiques, and art, which the Solntsevskaya mob
>>>had stolen from churches and museums in Russia, including the Hermitage
>>>in St. Petersburg. The gangsters also robbed the homes of art
>>>collectors and even broke into synagogues in Germany and Eastern Europe
>>>to steal rare religious books and Torahs.
>>>
>>>Mogilevich’s operation, again in collusion with the Solntsevskaya mob,
>>>also purchased a large jewelry factory in Budapest. Russian antiques,
>>>such as Faberge eggs, are sent to Budapest for ”restoration.”
>>>Mogilevich’s men ship the genuine Faberge eggs to an unwitting
>>>Sotheby’s auction house in London for sale, then send fake Faberge eggs
>>>as well as other ”restored” objects back to Moscow.
>>>
>>>MOGILEVICH’S EARLY years are murky. Soviet authorities first learned of
>>>his criminal activities in the 1970s, when he was a member of the
>>>Liubertskaya crime group that operated in the Moscow suburb of the same
>>>name. He was involved in petty thefts and counterfeiting.
>>>
>>>But Mogilevich made his first millions fleecing fellow Jews. In the mid
>>>1980s, when tens of thousands of Jewish refugees were hurriedly
>>>immigrating to Israel and America, Mogilevich made deals to buy their
>>>assets–rubles, furniture, and art–cheaply, promising to exchange the
>>>goods for fair market value and send refugees the proceeds in ”hard”
>>>currency. Instead, he sold their valuables and pocketed the considerable
>>>profits.
>>>
>>>In the 1980s, he established a petroleum import-export company, Arbat
>>>International, and registered it in Alderney, one of the Channel
>>>Islands, which is known to be a tax haven. One of his partners–with a
>>>quarter share of the company–was Vyacheslav Ivankov, the legendary
>>>Russian criminal who in March 1992 became Godfather of the Russian mob
>>>in America. Ivankov was convicted in 1996 of extorting two Russian-born
>>>Wall Street stockbrokers. He now resides in Raybrook, a Federal prison
>>>in upstate New York.
>>>
>>>In early 1990, Mogilevich fled Moscow, as did many other dons, to avoid
>>>the gangland wars that were then roiling the capital. Mogilevich and his
>>>top henchmen settled in Israel, where they received Israeli
>>>citizenship. He ”succeeded in building a bridgehead in Israel” and
>>>”developing significant and influential [political] ties,” says an
>>>Israeli intelligence report.
>>>
>>>Mogilevich is married to a Hungarian national, Katalin Papp. That
>>>marriage allowed him to legally emigrate to Budapest, Hungary, in 1991,
>>>where he began to build the foundations of his global criminal empire.
>>>He bought a string of nightclubs in Prague, Riga, and Kiev–called the
>>>”Black and White Clubs”–that has become one of the world’s foremost
>>>centers of prostitution. Monya Elson is a partner in the clubs,
>>>according to his own admission and classified FBI documents. The Black
>>>and White Club in Budapest became the hub of Mogilevich’s operations. He
>>>quickly built a highly structured criminal organization, in the mode of
>>>a traditional American mafia family. Indeed, many of the organization’s
>>>250 members are his relatives.
>>>
>>>To the consternation of international law enforcement officials,
>>>Mogilevich began to legally purchase much of Hungary’s arms industry.
>>>The legitimate companies he bought include:
>>>
>>>-Magnex 2000: a giant magnet manufacturer.
>>>
>>>-Digep General Machine Works: an artillery shell, mortar, and fire
>>>equipment manufacturer, which was financed by a $3.8 million loan from
>>>the London branch of Banque Francaise De L’orean.
>>>
>>>-Army Co-op: a mortar and anti-aircraft gun factory. Army Co-op was
>>>established in 1991 by two Hungarian nationals, both in the local arms
>>>industry, who were looking for a partner. Mogilevich has bought 95 per
>>>cent of Army Co-op through another Channel Island holding company,
>>>Arigon, Ltd., and also deals extensively with the Ukraine, selling oil
>>>products to the Ukrainian railway administration.
>>>
>>>These transactions enabled the Mogilevich organization to become a
>>>direct owner of the Hungarian armaments industry. In 1994, he purchased
>>>a license enabling him to buy and sell weapons. Now a legitimate
>>>armaments manufacturer, one of his companies participated in at least
>>>one arms exhibition in the U.S., where it displayed mortars modified by
>>>Israel.
>>>
>>>Like mob bosses everywhere, Mogilevich couldn’t sustain his empire
>>>without the help of corrupt police and politicians. There is one
>>>documented example of a criminal associate of Mogilevich mingling with
>>>American politicians. In March 1994, Vahtang Ubiriya, one of
>>>Mogilevich’s top lieutenants, was photographed by the FBI at a tony
>>>Republican Party fundraiser in Dallas, says an FBI report. Ubiriya, a
>>>high-ranking official in the Ukrainian railway administration, has a
>>>prior conviction for bribery in the Ukraine.
>>>
>>>In Europe and Russia, the ”corruption of police and public officials
>>>has been part of the Semion Mogilevich Organization’s modus operandi,”
>>>says a classified FBI document. ”The corruptive influence of the
>>>Mogilevich organization apparently extends to the Russian security
>>>system. During 1995, two colonels from Department of the Russian
>>>Presidential Security Service . . . traveled to Hungary under commercia
>>>cover to meet with Mogilevich . . . seeking information for use in the
>>>Russian political campaign.” An Israeli associate of Mogilevich met
>>>with the two colonels and provided intelligence. Mogilevich also paid
>>>off a Russian judge to secure Vyacheslav Ivankov’s early release from a
>>>Siberian prison, where he was doing hard time for robbery and torture,
>>>according to U.S. court records and classified FBI documents.
>>>
>>>On April 28, the German national television network ZDF reported that
>>>the BND (the German intelligence agency) had entered into a secret
>>>contract with Mogilevich to provide information on the Russian mob.
>>>The charges were made by several sources, including Pierre Delilez, a
>>>highly regarded Belgium police investigator who specializes in Russian
>>>Organized Crime. Because of this deal with the BND, police in Belgium,
>>>Germany, and Austria have complained that it is now impossible to
>>>investigate the ”Brainy Don.” If the television report is accurate,
>>>one possible motive for BND’s deal, says a U.S. law enforcement expert
>>>on the Russian mob, is that the Germans recently ”pulled their people
>>>out of Moscow because they didn’t like the level of cooperation they
>>>were getting from the Russian authorities on the Russian mob.”
>>>Gangsters, said this source, often talk to intelligence agencies about
>>>their rivals.
>>>
>>>MOGILEVICH’S MAIN activity in the U.S. appears to be money laundering,
>>>says a classified FBI report. He has set up companies in Los
>>>Angeles–FNJ Trade Management–and Newton, Pennsylvania–YBM Magnex
>>>International–as well as dozens of shell companies, which have
>>>received more than $30 million from Arigon, Ltd., the center of
>>>Mogilevich’s financial operations.
>>>
>>>Last Friday, U.S. Attorney Robert Courtney, head of the organized-crime
>>>strike force, led a a joint FBI, IRS, INS, and Customs raid of YBM’s
>>>offices in Newton. Cartons of documents were seized, with Canadian and
>>>U.S. police citing the company’s alleged ties to Russian organized
>>>crime. YBM is publicly traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange, and two
>>>days before Friday’s raid, trading in its stock was suspended by
>>>Canadian authorities.
>>>
>>>The president and CEO of YBM is Jacob Bogatin, a professor of physical
>>>metallurgy. In May 1996, he contacted the FBI in Philadelphia to find
>>>out why the INS had denied visas to YBM employees arriving from Hungary
>>>and the Ukraine. When he was rebuffed, he had intermediaries step
>>>forward and pester the FBI. The State Department has banned Mogilevich
>>>himself from obtaining a U.S. visa because he’s on the department’s
>>>watch list of international organized-crime figures. Nevertheless, he
>>>has surreptitiously entered America under aliases and on visitor visas
>>>issued in Tel Aviv to visit Elson and Ivankov.
>>>
>>>Bogatin admitted during a telephone interview that Mogilevich owns his
>>>company. When asked if he knew that numerous law enforcement agencies
>>>here and abroad considered Mogilevich to be a leader of one of the most
>>>ruthless organized-crime families in recent times, Bogatin replied,
>>>”We have an investors relations guy. You want to talk with him about
>>>this stuff.” He added that he had read allegations in the Eastern
>>>European press that his boss was a Mafia don, but didn’t believe them.
>>>YBM vehemently denies that it is connected to Russian organized crime or
>>>has engaged in any criminal activities.
>>>
>>>Bogatin is no stranger to the mob, however. His brother, David, a top
>>>Russian crime figure who once served in North Vietnam for the Soviets in
>>>an anti-aircraft unit, is now serving an eight-year term in a New York
>>>State prison for a multimillion-dollar gasoline tax fraud scheme. Just
>>>prior to trial, he had jumped bail, fleeing to Poland. There he set up
>>>the first commercial banks, which moved vast sums of money controlled
>>>by Russian wiseguys. (This after handing over his mortgages for five
>>>pricey Trump Tower apartments to a Genovese associate. The mortgages
>>>were liquidated and the funds were moved through a mafia-controlled
>>>bank in Chelsea.) Eventually he was caught and returned to the U.S. In
>>>the meantime, he lived like royalty in a five-star Viennese hotel,
>>>surrounded by a praetorian guard of 125 Polish parachutists, some of
>>>them bedecked in shiny gold uniforms.
>>>
>>>Mogilevich has not refrained from associating with known killers in
>>>America, prime among them Elson and Ivankov. A confidential informant
>>>told the FBI that Vladimir Berkovich, an L.A. resident, is a chief
>>>lieutenant in Mogilevich’s organization and has arranged contract
>>>killings here, supplying the weapons and spiriting the killers out of
>>>the country. The visas, says the report, were obtained through the Palm
>>>Terrace restaurant, a watering hole for Russian gangsters, which
>>>Berkovich owns. Berkovich told the Voice that he is aware of the
>>>government’s charges, and that they are ”total bullshit.” Although he
>>>has no criminal record in the U.S., Berkovich’s son, Oleg, was convicted
>>>in Los Angeles of solicitation to commit murder on October 11, 1989. He
>>>was sentenced to four years. Oleg’s business card identified his
>>>employer as Magnex, Ltd., a company owned by Mogilevich in Budapest.
>>>Oleg was recently arrested in Hungary on unspecified charges but was
>>>released.
>>>
>>>Oleg’s uncle, the colorful Lazar Berkovich, whose last known address was
>>>New York City, arrived in the Big Apple after having survived a
>>>shootout with Italian gangsters, says his brother Vladimir. The FBI
>>>report claims that Lazar was head of Russian criminal activities in
>>>Italy prior to his coming to America to recuperate from his wounds,
>>>though Vladimir Bercovich denies that Lazar was ever connected to the
>>>Russian mob.
>>>
>>>Israeli and U.S. law enforcement sources agree that the Red Mafia,
>>>though in existence for a mere six years, has become one of the most
>>>formidable Russian organized-crime families in the world. Strongest in
>>>the Ukraine, Hungary, the Czech Republic, and the U.S., Mogilevich has
>>>increased his strength by forging ties with other powerful Russian mob
>>>groups as well as with the Italian Camorra. His reported ties to the
>>>German BND and ex-police officers in Hungary keep him informed of police
>>>efforts to penetrate his organization. ”He also ingratiates himself
>>>with the police by providing information on other [Russian crime]
>>>groups’ activities, thus appearing to be a cooperative good citizen,”
>>>says a classfied FBI report. This, along with his strong leadership
>>>qualities, his acute financial skills, his talented and highly educated
>>>associates, and his use of cutting-edge technology, has so far made
>>>the ”Brainy Don” impervious to prosecution.
>>>
>>>This document last modified Friday, May 22, 1998, 10:31 AM EDT.
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On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 03:16:26 -0800, [email protected] (“Expat
Authority”) wrote:
>What are you trying to achieve by posting all these
>anti-Jewish messages? What is your purpose?
>Jewish people in your country are local citizens.
> There are bad people among them,
>*** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ***
It seems that he must either be one of the foul jews, or similar??
This story, documented by a well respected Jewish writer, was carried
in many other newspapers across Canada.
The Zionist murderers are angry that it was written by a Jew, to tell
the TRUTH for a change!!!
On 17 Dec 1998 08:05:54 GMT, “Koshercook”
wrote:
>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and
>Still Hide It From Us…]
>Archived for Scholarly Study
>From the Toronto Sun – December 13, 1998
>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor
>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of
>that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th
>anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists
>now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be reminded of the Unknown
>Holocaust.
>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin
>determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent farmers – called
>kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine’s
>growing spirit of nationalism.
>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow – earlier
>versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into
>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of
>recalcitrant farmers.
>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU
>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many
>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of
>death – mass starvation.
>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
>Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used
>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine
>cased one million deaths.)
>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing
>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel.
>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar
>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet
>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of
>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named
>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.
>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch
>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus
>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.
>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s custom-made famine and
>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB’s archives, and
>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died.
>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five
>percent of Ukraine’s population was exterminated. Millions of victims
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million
>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia,
>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR;
>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide
>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war
>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
Note that this article is written by a well regarded Jewish writer in
Canada!!!
>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes
>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and
>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both
>communism and their suffering.
> As a direct result, during the subsequent
>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the
>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s Jews by
>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been
>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler
>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before
>the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or
>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day.
>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM
>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed
>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not see one
>under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent Walter
>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of
>famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million people were dying around
>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated
>Duranty’s lies.
>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical
>roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime – the inevitable
>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of
>Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian genocide and
>Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him as an ally
>during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,”
>murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.
>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought
>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago,
>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state
>pension.
On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:47:21 -0800, [email protected] (“Expat
Authority”) wrote:
>I have read some anti-Jewish postings on this NG… I say: stop!
>You know, I think that it is unfair to stereotype! You are saying that all
>Jews are bad, bloodsuckers etc.
>Yes there are people like that among the Jewish community there.
>EA
>*** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ***
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On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:48:57 +1000, “DragonSlayer”
>Mark Aarons is a Jew and a communist who worked for the Australian
>Broadcasting Service. Most, if not all of his information was based on small
>propaganda booklets produced by the USSR (in English) and distributed by the
>many USSR friendship societies and the communist party of Australia. All
>have been found to be fabrications. One well known one identified a person
>who supposedly was a “callaborator” during 1943. However, this particular
>person, on investigation, was found to have been born in 1946!
>
>This was common in those propaganda booklets. His reputation has been as a
>fabricator and a mouth-piece for the former USSR. He has no credibility and
>no longer works for the ABC.
It seems that he must either be one of the foul jews, or similar??
This story, documented by a well respected Jewish writer, was carried
in many other newspapers across Canada.
The Zionist murderers are angry that it was written by a Jew, to tell
the TRUTH for a change!!!
On 17 Dec 1998 08:05:54 GMT, “Koshercook”
wrote:
>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and
>Still Hide It From Us…]
>Archived for Scholarly Study
>From the Toronto Sun – December 13, 1998
>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor
>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of
>that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th
>anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists
>now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be reminded of the Unknown
>Holocaust.
>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin
>determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent farmers – called
>kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine’s
>growing spirit of nationalism.
>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow – earlier
>versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into
>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of
>recalcitrant farmers.
>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU
>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many
>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of
>death – mass starvation.
>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
>Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used
>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine
>cased one million deaths.)
>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing
>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel.
>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar
>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet
>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of
>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named
>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.
>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch
>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus
>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.
>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s custom-made famine and
>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB’s archives, and
>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died.
>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five
>percent of Ukraine’s population was exterminated. Millions of victims
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million
>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia,
>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR;
>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide
>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war
>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
Note that this article is written by a well regarded Jewish writer in
Canada!!!
>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes
>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and
>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both
>communism and their suffering.
> As a direct result, during the subsequent
>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the
>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s Jews by
>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been
>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler
>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before
>the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or
>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day.
>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM
>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed
>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not see one
>under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent Walter
>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of
>famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million people were dying around
>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated
>Duranty’s lies.
>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical
>roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime – the inevitable
>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of
>Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian genocide and
>Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him as an ally
>during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,”
>murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.
>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought
>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago,
>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state
>pension.
On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:47:21 -0800, [email protected] (“Expat
Authority”) wrote:
>I have read some anti-Jewish postings on this NG… I say: stop!
>You know, I think that it is unfair to stereotype! You are saying that all
>Jews are bad, bloodsuckers etc.
>Yes there are people like that among the Jewish community there.
>EA
>*** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ***
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Subject: WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST/HOLOHOAX?
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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach
>wrote:
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world’s sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>>
>> NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON’T ADD UP
>>
>> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted “to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine.”
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>> With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust “survivors” had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real “bible”, The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>> The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death “in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as “gospel truth”.
>> It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>”extermination camp”.
>>
>> HIMMLER-“REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”
>>
>> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that “The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” (Source,
>>Reitlinger’s book, “The Final Solution.”)
>> The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler’s
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, “Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates.” (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the “shockingly high mortality figures.” (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”
>> With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>”Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals”. It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>> THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, “Books and Bookmen”, April 1975, page 5,
>>”No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.”
>> The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>> This brings up the following questions.
>> 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>> 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>> 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>> 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, “The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them.” (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>> FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>> Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such “confessions” are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the “Confession’ and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>> Hoess statement read, “half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking.”
>> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not “ventable”. The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber “eating and smoking” – without
>>gas masks – only minutes after the gassing – IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>> GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, “The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann” pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>”became immediately gaseous.”
>> The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: “We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air.”
>>
>> CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), “We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped.” If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>> THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT’S ALL! In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18′ doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>> A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer’s book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich.” It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company’s ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>> “The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning.”
>> WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people – this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>> It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was “taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!”
>>
>> WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. “It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps.”
>> Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: “I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.”
>> Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>”The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie – the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time.”
>> Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. “The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.”
>>
>> WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, “Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists.”
>> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, “The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews.”
>> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: “The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews.”
>> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being “anti-Semitic” and “insensitive” to holocaust
>>victims.
>> The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>> A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>> The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don’t use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>> HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.
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On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:52:42 +0100, [email protected] (Jacques
Schlesinger) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says…
>> On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:22 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>On 02 May 1998 16:44:09 GMT, [email protected] (Pan Janusz) wrote:
>>
>
>
>I cannot but admire your dedication and only wish it would be put to
>better use.
What in the article did you not understand?
On Fri, 25 Dec 1998 21:42:57 GMT, [email protected] (Lenny )
wrote:
>I guess this is just the jew practicing it’s “religion” :
>
>Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human
>(“Only ye are designated men”). Also see Kerithoth 6b under the
>sub-head, “Oil of Anointing” and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women
>are designated animals (“she-asses”).
>
>Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a
>Gentile (“Cuthean”), there will be no death penalty.
No wonder other normal people detest the JEWS!!!!
>>On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:22 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>On 02 May 1998 16:44:09 GMT, [email protected] (Pan Janusz) wrote:
>>
>>>>>Translated from Polish:
>>
>>>>Reprinted from “Polish Weekly” published in Australia.
>>
>>>>>Office of the Provincial Prosecutor in Katowice issued the extradition papers
>>>>>for war criminal Samuel Morel. Polish authorities will ask authorities in
>>>>>Israel to extradite Morel.
>>>>>Morel is accused of “cruel treatment and tortures of prisoners and jeopardizing
>>>>>their safety and health.” Using common language, between years 1945-1950 he was
>>>>>beating prisoners, torturing and killing them.
>>
>>>>>Morel was born in 1919, from 1940 was a member of Jewish band which was
>>>>>assaulting Polish villages in province of Kielce and robbing Polish farmers. In
>>>>>December of 1942 during one of their assaults the band was destroyed by a
>>>>>detachment of People’s Army ( communist guerillas in nazi occupied Poland).
>>>>>Father and brother of Morel were executed, he alone became a member of the
>>>>>People’s Army. He defected from the group when Red Army was inching toward
>>>>>province of Kielce and became a member of Soviet guerillas.
>>>>>Soon he became an officer of UB (communist Security Office in Soviet occupied
>>>>>Poland).
>>>>>In the beginning of 1945 he was sent to the region of Silesia and received the
>>>>>nomination on the camp commandant for Germans in Swietochlowice.
>>>>> About his crime committed in this camp wrote, among others, an American
>>>>>journalist John Sack in his book “Eye for an eye” ( for this book John Sack who
>>>>>is a Jew was decalred an antisemite).
>>>>>In the end of December of 1945 Morel had been transferred and became a warden
>>>>>of the UB prison in Opole. There he tortured Poles and Germans. He also
>>>>>tortured minors in the labor camp in Jaworzno which he was a commandant between
>>>>>1946-1950. He was fired from this post, for mortality among prisoners was too
>>>>>big.
>>>>
>>>>>In 1991 he was interviewed by a prosecutor, panicked and fled to Israel.
>>>>>After spending all his money, within few months he returned to Poland, but soon
>>>>>he surfaced in Sweden where he demanded political asylum argumenting that he
>>>>>was persecuted in Poland because he was a Jew. His plea was rejected and Morel
>>>>>again came back to Poland.
>>>>>On 10th of July Office of the Provincial Prosecutor in Katowice issued arrest
>>>>>warrant. They were late. Morel again fled to Israel.
>>>>>His retirement pention is being picked up by the wife of the criminal.
>>>>>Since 1996 Morel is on the most wanted list of the INTERPOL.
>>>>>According to international law he should be arrested by Israeli police and
>>>>>charged by Israel with war crimes.
>>>>>He should…..
>>>>>Translated by Janusz Styber
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On 26 Dec 1998 21:11:49 GMT, [email protected] (HOTTYSHOTT) wrote:
>you are the master of political pollution; why don’t you learn the fact before
>you muddy the waters?
One presumes that the toilet is trying to write in English.
Here is the article he was trying to comd:
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:23:30 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>And don’t forget the murders of the UN troops in Lebanon by the JEWS;
>And don’t forget the genocide of the unarmed civilians at the Q’ana
>refugee camp by the damn Israelis.
>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:17:05 -0700, Clancy
>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>> And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>> Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>> gangster!!!
>>Zionist terrorist acts from 1939-1996 – part I
>>
>>1939
>>Haganah blew up the Iraqi oil pipeline near Haifa palestine. Moshe Dayan was one of
>>the participant in this act. The technique was used again in 1947 at least 4 times.
>>
>>August 20, 1937-June 29, 1939
>>During this period, Zionist carrtied out a series of attacks against Arab buses,
>>resulting in the seath of 24 persons and wonding 25 others. They are the Master of
>>killing people on buses.
>>
>>Nov.25, 1940
>>S.S. Patria blown up by Jewish Terrorists in Haifa Harbor, Killing 268 illegal Jewish
>>immigrants.
>>
>>Nov. 6 1944
>>Zionist Terrorist of Stern gang* assassinated the British Minister Resident in the
>>Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
>>
>>July 22, 1946
>>Zionist Terrorist blew up the King david Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central
>>offices of the civilian administarion of the Governemnt of Palestine, Killing and
>>injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun gangs claimed responsibility for this
>>criminal act, but subsequentevidence indicated that boith the Haganah and the Jewish
>>Agency were involved.
>>
>>October 1, 1946
>>The british Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by a bomb explosions, for which Irgun
>>cliam responsibility.
>>
>>June 1947
>>Letters sent to British Cabnit Minister were found to contain Bombs.
>>
>>September 3, 1947
>>A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting
>>room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs.( The
>>Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8
>>
>>December 11, 1947
>>Six Arabs were kiled and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab
>>buses in haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and anothers injured in an attack by armed
>>Zionist on Arab coastal village near Haifa.
>>
>>Dec. 13 1947
>>Zionist terrorist believed to be memeber of Irgun Zvia Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and
>>wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda Area. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown
>>in an Arab market-place near Damascus Gate; in Jaffa bombs were thrown into an Arab
>>cafe; in the Arab village of Al Yahudia near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack
>>with mortars and automatic weapons.
>>
>>Dec. 19, 1947
>>Haganah terrorist attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the
>>ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah
>>admitted responsibility for the attack.
>>
>>Dec. 29, 1947
>>Two British contables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus
>>Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun Jews threw a bomb from a taxi.
>>
>>Dec. 30, 1947
>>A mixed forces of the Zionist Palmach and the “Carmel Brigade” attacked the village
>>of Ballad al Shaikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.
>>
>>1947-1948
>>Over 700,000 Plaestine Arabs were uprooted from their beloved homes and land in
>>Palestine; since than have been denied the right to return or been given compensation
>>for their property. After their expolsion, the “Zionist Israel terrorist Armies”
>>razed to the ground 385 Arabs villages ad towns out of a total of 475, ands
>>oblitrated their remains. These Are “The GOD Chosen People” who commit murder in the
>>name of Judiasm.
>>
>>January 1, 1948
>>Haganah terrorists attacked attacked a village on the slop of mount Camel; 17 Arabs
>>were killed and 33 were wounded.
>>
>>January 4, 1948
>>Haganah terrorist wearing British Army Uniform penetrated into the center of Jaffa
>>and blew up the Serai(the old Turkish Governemnt House) which was used as a
>>headqaurter of the Arab national Committee, killing more than 40 persons and wounding
>>98 others.
>>
>>January 5, 1948
>>The Arab-owned semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blowm up, killing 20 persons, among
>>them Viscount de Tapia, the Spanish consul. Haganah admitted responsibility for this
>>outrage.
>>
>>January 7, 1948
>>seventeen Arabs were kjilled by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them
>>while trying to escape. further casualties, including the murder of a British officer
>>near Hebron, were reported from different part of the country.
>>
>>Jan. 16, 1948
>>Zionists blew up three Arabs building. in the first, 8 children between the ages of
>>18 month and 12 years, died.
>>
>>Dec. 13, 1947- February 10, 1948
>>seven incident of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilian in cafe and markets, killing
>>138 and wounding 271 others. during this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses.
>>Zionist mind passenger trains on at least 4 occasions killing 93 persons and wounding
>>161 others.
>>
>>Feb. 15 1948
>>Haganah terrorist attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses,
>>killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.
>>
>>March 3, 1948
>>Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa(a 7 story block of
>>flat and shops) by zionist who drove an army lorry uo to the building and escaped
>>before the detonation of 400 lb. of explosive; casualties numbered 11 Arabs ans 3
>>Armanians killed and 23 injured. The Stern Jewish Gang claimed responsibility of the
>>crime.
>>
>>March 22, 1948
>>A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100
>>others. Four memeber of the Stern Jewish Gang drove two lorry-loaded of explosive
>>into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosive.
>>
>>March 31, 1948
>>
>>The Cairo_Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month by an
>>electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60
>>others.
>>
>>April 9, 1948
>>A combined forces of Irgun Zvai Leumi and ther Stern Jewish Gang, supported by the
>>Palmach forces captured the Arab village of Deir Yassine and killed than 200 unarmed
>>civilians, including countless women and childern. Older men and young women were and
>>paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were than
>>shot in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.
>>
>>April 16, 1948
>>Zionist attacked the former British army camp at tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs
>>there.
>>
>>April 19 1948
>>Fourteen arabs were killed in a hous in Tiberias which was blown up by Zionist
>>terrorist Jews.
>>
>>May 11, 1948
>>A letter Bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Baker, former commanding Officer in Plaestine,
>>was detected in the nick of time by his wife.
>>
>>April 25, 1948- may 13, 1948
>>Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and
>>Haganah Terrorist Jews. They stripped and carried away everything they could,
>>destroying what they could not take with them.
>>Sept. 17 1948
>>Count Folk Bernadotte, UN Mediator in Palestine was assassinated by memeber of the
>>Stern Jewish Gang in the Zionist controlled sector of Jerusalem. Bernadotte’s aide
>>Col. serot was also killed and murdered by Jewish terrorist.
>>Nov. 1948
>>The Arab village of Iqrit and Birim were attacked and destroyed, killing and injuring
>>countless unarmed Arabs, including women and children. All the Arabs were forcibly
>>expelled from their homes and mother land Palestine, Know today as the artificial
>>state of zionist Israel.
>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser
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On 26 Dec 1998 19:35:03 GMT, [email protected] (DonJose) wrote:
>>This, even though there is no law in Canada permitting this!!!
>Does the law in Canada ban it?
Under the laws of Canada, only a marriage of humans of different sex
is legal.
Canada is not yet as depraved as Sodom!!!!
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On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:57:40 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:36 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:42:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>>And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>>>gangster!!!
>
>>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin’s participation in war crimes
>>>>>
>>>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>>>
>>>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>>>not been used yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook “to
>>>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.” A Signatory may
>>>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>>>
>>>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world’s
>>>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States’ legal obligations to do so.
>>>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>>>
>>>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>>>1977, as ‘grave breaches’, the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>>>prosecute.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>>>
>>>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>>>
>>>>>”1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately.” The order was signed “Yitzhak
>>>>>R[abin].”
>>>>>
>>>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>>>”The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949″ by Israeli
>>>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo’s book “The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland”, Quartet Books,
>>>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>>>
>>>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin’s implication in
>>>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin’s orders. As a prelude to
>>>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile’. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>>>planned ‘transfer’ policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>>>master plan of “ethnical cleansing”.
>>>>>
>>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>>
>>>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as ‘war crimes’.
>>>>>
>>>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>>>> of their Inhabitants
>>>>>
>>>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>>>
>>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>>
>>>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>>>prohibit “at any time and in any place whatsoever….collective
>>>>>punishments”. It seems that the destruction of these villages – every
>>>>>single house in them – constitutes ‘collective punishment’ within the
>>>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>>>> Youngsters
>>>>>
>>>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by “force, might,
>>>>>beatings”. More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>>>
>>>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>>>these practices (i.e. Ha’aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin’s role in these
>>>>>policies.
>>>>>
>>>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) “inhuman treatment….wilfully
>>>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health”. Protocol I
>>>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>>>the acts which remain “prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:”: “Violence to
>>>>>the….physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular….(iii)
>>>>>corporal punishment.”
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>>>> Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>>>
>>>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin’s war:
>>>>>”Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>>>southern Lebanon. (…) Rabin’s War – Operation Accountability – has killed
>>>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>>>Beirut. (…) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(…) About
>>>>>80 villages have been hit.”. According to the London-based Middle East
>>>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the “majority of casualties were
>>>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>>>around 100,000.”
>>>>>
>>>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was “expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon ‘uninhabitable’ and to create a
>>>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel’s will (…)”
>>>>>
>>>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), “some 400,000
>>>>>people – mainly Shi’ite Muslims – fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves”.
>>>>>
>>>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>>>specifies as a ‘grave breach’ (war crime) “making the civilian population
>>>>>or individual civilians the object of attack” as well as “launching an
>>>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects”. Further details are provided
>>>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a ‘grave breach’ of international
>>>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>>>
>>>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>>>
>>>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>>>
>>>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>>>their country’s sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>>>
>>>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>>>of hostilities.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>>>
>>>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mr. Rabin’s Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>>>
>>>>>As to Mr. Rabin’s personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>>>and 1967).
>>>>>
>>>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>>>”to break the bones” of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by “force, might, beatings” and
>>>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel’s Prime
>>>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin’s primary responsibility for this act.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>>>
>>>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>>>described as ‘war crimes’ as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>>>view, only the most outrageous types of ‘war crimes’, as committed in World
>>>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>>>Conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>>>the “deportation … for any … purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>>>occupied territory” as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>>>”deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>>>population….when such acts are done….in connection with any crime
>>>>>against peace or any war crime”, as Crime against Humanity.
>>>>>
>>>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>>>process of law to determine a defendant’s culpability and punishment). The
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes ‘corporal punishment’, although not as
>>>>>a ‘grave breach’. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the ‘grave
>>>>>breaches’ (war crimes), if such attacks were committed “wilfully, in
>>>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>>>serious injury to body or health”.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>>>
>>>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>>>then, state:
>>>>>
>>>>>”The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law”
>>>>>(Principle III. “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him”.
>>>>>(Principle IV).
>>>>>
>>>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>>>such reservations.
>>>>>
>>>>>Conclusion
>>>>>
>>>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>>>short legal discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived – legally – by
>>>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today’s world, it
>>>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>>>circumstances.
>>>>>
>>>>>Human rights’ and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin’s
>>>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>>>found.
>>>>
>>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser
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On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:30:39 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 19:19:14 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:48:22 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>In view of the well documented fact that almost half of the 600,000 JEWS
>>>>in Germany prior to WWII were then in the German military, onemust
>>>>consider whether these JEWS working for Hitler, were in fact a positive
>>>>role model???
>>>>PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>>> Positive Jewish role models
>>>>> Alan Silver.. wrote:
>>>>> > once again, your point is extremely obscure, and irrelevant. Whatever
>>>>> > collaboration there may have been, even if it was entirely voluntary, does
>>>>> > not for an instant excuse the crimes of the nazis and their collaborators
>>>>> > — crimes against Jews or Poles or others they used as slave labor, or
>>>>> > whatever.
>>>>> =========
>>>>> Dear Alan,
>>>>> Thank you for your email. I am posting your letter, while removing your
>>>>> signature.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are absolutely correct on the collaboration of Jews with the Nazis.
>>>>> Yes, it is hardly significant. The fact that some Jews collaborated and
>>>>> were bad (or HORRIBLY BAD) is the favorite argument of anti-Semites.
>>>>> Sure there were BAD Jews but perhaps in equal numbers BAD Poles
>>>>> Ukrainians and Germans. We use the above factual anti-Semitic argument
>>>>> very infrequently, since we are not anti-Semites.
>>>>> actually, we are true philo-Semite, who LOVE Jewish culture, tradition
>>>>> and admire Jewish achievements world over. (And yes I am jelous of it
>>>>> in a benign manner, like I am jelous of my billionaire neighbors here in
>>>>> Greenwich while I can not afford to buy a house.)
>>>>> Out of this admiration (of even Jewish kitchen i.e. sweets) I feel that
>>>>> Jews should be warned about their pathological dependece on fictitious
>>>>> martyrology. The myth of Massada has been debunked about two years ago
>>>>> by Israeli archeologists. It is about the time that the mythical parts
>>>>> of the WW II Holocasut should be also debunked, especially those which
>>>>> defame Poles and Ukrainians of whom 2,000 lost lives for hiding and
>>>>> helping Jews.
>>>>> Thus it is important to find the first and subsequent mass graves and
>>>>> bones of the 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the time to cremate.
>>>>> Thus it is important that Jews LOUDLY refute that in Yedvabne Polish
>>>>> boys decapitated Jewish maidens in July 1941 and used their heads to
>>>>> play soccer and their parents burned alive 1,600 of the Yedvabne Jews in
>>>>> a barn on July 11, 19941.
>>>>> Equally imoportant is to prove and refute the fact that Poles killed
>>>>> 42-70 Jews in 1946 in Kielce or 5,000 during 1945-1946 throught Poland.
>>>>> Simultaneously we attempt to convince you to raise your youth on the
>>>>> countless positive Jewish role models starting from B. Spoinoza and many
>>>>> many others. My favorites are Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan and perhaps Y.
>>>>> Rubin.
>>>>> ————
>>>>> Jozef pawlikowski
>>>>> > > From: PAWLIKOWSKI
>>>>> > > Subject: Re: Jewish police zyd. Ordnungdienst
>>>>> > > Date: September 30, 1997 11:35 AM
>>>>> > > Rostyk Lewyckyj wrote:
>>>>> > > > In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> > > > |PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>>> > > > |> On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>>>>> > > > |> service was completely voluntary. It was called Ordnungdienst. Their
>>>>> > > > |> emblem was a light alloy Star of David. The social background of these
>>>>> > > > |> Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>>>>> > > > |> post-graduate degrees, 60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>>>>> > > > |> education. These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>>>>> > > > |> But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>>>>> > > > |> Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>>>>> > > > |> of his book. In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>>>>> > > > |> journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>>>>> > > > |> from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>>>>> > > > |> closed.
>>>>> > > > |The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>>>>> > > > |longer or die now!
>>>>> > > > Herman
>>>>> > > > Will you allow the same explanation when it is used by a Ukrainian, Polack,
>>>>> > > > Balt or other untermensh who was made to serve as a policeman or camp
>>>>> > > > guard for the Nazis in the Reich? I believe that the USA, Canadian, and
>>>>> > > > other countries immigration services are urged by the Jewish community
>>>>> > > > not to accept this explanation and to persecute such individuals, unless
>>>>> > > > they happen to be jews.
>>>>> > > > |Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>>>>> > > > |ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next “relocation”!
>>>>> > > > |> While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>>>>> > > > |> intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>>>>> > > > |> Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>>>>> > > > |> description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>>>>> > > > |> Lodz. German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>>>>> > > > |> Wisenthal Museum in LA. Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>>>>> > > > |> three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>>>>> > > > |> Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>>>>> > > > |> the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>>>>> > > > What if anything does the commentary accompanying this film, (surely
>>>>> > > > there is a commentary?), say about these policemen? Does it label them
>>>>> > > > with any nationality?
>>>>> > > > –Rostyk
>>>>> > > ===============
>>>>> > > to get the sound track one would have to purchase copy of the film.
>>>>> > > Research costs $$$. Would you donate $50.00 to this purchase for
>>>>> > > starters.
>>>>> > > There is little doubt that these were Jews hanging Jews. I can make out
>>>>> > > stars of David on their armbands
>>>>> > > J
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On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:25:59 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:14:17, [email protected] wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Sep 98 20:34:05 GMT, [email protected] (Real Name:)
>wrote:
>>————Reply Separator—————-
>>On 9/22/98 4:24PM, in message
>><[email protected]>, NSWPP
>>
>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>By Sean Maguire
>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a
>>gasoline can, a barking
>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden
>>crosses erected in a grassy
>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi
>>death camp of Auschwitz.
>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and
>>radical Roman Catholic with a
>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has
>>threatened to set himself on
>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him
>>and the crosses from the
>>sensitive site.
>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his
>>campaign he has managed to give
>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to
>>dog attempts to better
>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between
>>the country and Jewish
>>groups.
>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests
>>and must be resolved as
>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser
>>Agnieszka Magdziak
>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are
>>beginning to be perceived
>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,”
>>she added.
>>But even if the government quickly secures an
>>eviction order against Switon,
>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management
>>of the Auschwitz
>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further
>>conflict over the tragic
>>site inevitable.
>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>>At issue is the definition of what activity is
>>appropriate at a place where
>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5
>>million people, 90 percent
>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention
>>was needed to resolve a
>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent,
>>which was moved out, and a
>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near
>>the site.
>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest
>>graveyard of European
>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish
>>groups regard them as a
>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity
>>of the complex.
>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor
>>triumph in December when it
>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from
>>the dumping ground for
>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>>A discreet deal between the government and an
>>international Jewish coalition
>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope
>>John Paul prayed in
>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a
>>nationalist uproar.
>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses
>>is backed by an informal
>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker
>>groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>and nationalists.
>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics
>>with memories of Communist
>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from
>>patriots determined that
>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of
>>Poles died, not be
>>forgotten.
>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the
>>government took the
>>compromise position that the papal cross should
>>remain and all new crosses
>>be removed.
>>A U.S-led international Jew coalition, which has
>>broken off dialogue with
>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is
>>unlikely to accept the papal
>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the
>>presence of a church in an
>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent
>>decision to allow a parking lot
>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be
>>negotiated.
>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph
>>Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the
>>answer but the cross, all
>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should
>>be the subject of behind-
>>the-scene discussion.”
>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up
>>to provoke the Jewish
>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec,
>>“But I don’t see any
>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion
>>about the papal cross at
>>the moment.”
>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon
>>affair has stymied efforts to
>>sign a deal that would take the future of
>>Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join
>>NATO and the European Union
>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom
>>and an anti-Semitic
>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to
>>improve ties with Israel
>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a
>>renovation, preservation and
>>education program in 1996 and the state began work
>>on costly local
>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent
>>run-down town of
>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in
>>southwestern Poland, and
>>international funding, are on hold.
>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more
>>directly to Birkenau, two
>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an
>>extermination center and where
>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less
>>frequently.
>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by
>>the “Judenrampe,” the
>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from
>>across Europe were
>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with
>>weeds. The tracks
>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs,
>>were built in 1944 for
>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the
>>extermination campaign.
>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles
>>Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about
>>preserving barbed wire,
>>concrete, the crematories.”
>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a
>>better defined protection
>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is
>>permissible nearby and an
>>internationally accountable management board are
>>also on the agenda.
>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high
>>hopes for a new law
>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out
>>of local authority
>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes
>>managed parochially. The
>>law will cover camps where Polish political
>>prisoners died and where
>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,”
>>wiping out most of
>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main
>>Jewish circles because its
>>absence was previously a barrier to creating
>>dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>>But officials accept that, despite good will and
>>improving relations,
>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and
>>controversies will be with
>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a
>>leader of Poland’s tiny
>>Jewish community.
>Why should the cursed Christkillers dictate to the sovereign people
>of Poland, what Polish people may do in their own country??
>Why should the Polish people forget that it was the damned JEW-led KGB
>who murdered the 25000 Polish officers at KATYN??
>Why should the Polish people forget that it was the JEW-led soviets
>who occupied and enslaved the Christian Polish people??
>-88-
From [email protected] Sun Dec 27 14:10:13 EST 1998
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Subject: Re: Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
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On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:22:42 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>This story, documented by a well respected Jewish writer, was carried
>in many other newspapers across Canada.
>The Zionist murderers are angry that it was written by a Jew, to tell
>the TRUTH for a change!!!
>On 17 Dec 1998 08:05:54 GMT, “Koshercook”
>wrote:
>>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and
>>Still Hide It From Us…]
>>Archived for Scholarly Study
>>From the Toronto Sun – December 13, 1998
>>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor
>>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of
>>that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th
>>anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists
>>now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be reminded of the Unknown
>>Holocaust.
>>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin
>>determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent farmers – called
>>kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine’s
>>growing spirit of nationalism.
>>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
>>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow – earlier
>>versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into
>>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of
>>recalcitrant farmers.
>>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU
>>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many
>>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of
>>death – mass starvation.
>>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
>>Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used
>>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine
>>cased one million deaths.)
>>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing
>>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel.
>>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar
>>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet
>>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of
>>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named
>>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.
>>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch
>>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus
>>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.
>>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s custom-made famine and
>>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB’s archives, and
>>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died.
>>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five
>>percent of Ukraine’s population was exterminated. Millions of victims
>>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
>>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million
>>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia,
>>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR;
>>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide
>>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war
>>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
>>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes
>>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and
>>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both
>>communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent
>>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the
>>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s Jews by
>>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been
>>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler
>>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before
>>the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or
>>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day.
>>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM
>>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed
>>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not see one
>>under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent Walter
>>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of
>>famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million people were dying around
>>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated
>>Duranty’s lies.
>>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical
>>roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime – the inevitable
>>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of
>>Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian genocide and
>>Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him as an ally
>>during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,”
>>murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.
>>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought
>>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago,
>>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state
>>pension.
Even honest Jews are finally realising the truth about the genocides
of their compatriots!!!
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Subject: MORE- JEW RABBIS LAUNDER DRUG MONEY IN NY!!!!
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On Mon, 23 Nov 1998 00:41:06 -0800, wawrzek
wrote:
>Most people do not want to believe this, as much as they did not want to believe
>Clinton lied. They think of the Jew as righteous and as chosen. I have dealt with
>Jews for many years, and I can tell you that they are capable of ANYTHING.
>Believe me, I have seen them do things that the average person would not believe. And
>in each and every case, it was for the buck. The true God of Jews is the Almighty
>dollar and I defy anyone to dispute that.
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:39:30 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>> >Another JEW Rabbi in NY state has been caught dealing drugs – this
>> >time inside a prison!!!
>> >Rabbi Eli Gottesman,a chaplain at a federal medium security prison at
>> >Ray Brook, NY got caught with a large bottle filled with sealed
>> >balloons of cocaine and marijuana.
>> >
>> >He is a former head of the “who’s Who in canadian Jewry”, and has been
>> >a chaplain of the year named by the NY Board of rabbis.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:52:54 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >>It seems that JEWS are not satisfied with having murdered Jesus
>> >>Christ.
>> >
>> >>Now some of them are involved, even from synagogues, in the DRUGS
>> >>business.
>> >>On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:10:26 -0800, in alt.revisionism
>> >>[email protected] (Michael A. Hoffman II) wrote:
>> >
>> >>>Michael A. Hoffman II comments: Why didn’t these two Orthodox Hasidic
>> >>>(Bobover sect) rabbis enjoy the usual rabbinic immunity from arrest for
>> >>>their crimes? Could it be that their mantle of protection was removed by
>> >>>the more powerful Reform and Conservative Jews in America with whom they
>> >>>are at war in occupied Palestine over issues pertaining to modernity and
>> >>>conversion? Is this a warning to the Orthodox to back off from their
>> >>>assaults on Reform and Orthodox Jews? For more go to:
>> >>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>> >——————————————————————————
>> >2 Rabbis Charged With Money Laundering
>> >
>> >By ROBERT D. McFADDEN NY Times June 17, 1997
>> >
>> >NEW YORK — A dozen men, including two identified as Orthodox Jewish
>> >rabbis, were charged by federal authorities Monday with conspiring to
>> >launder and hide $1.75 million in drug profits for Colombian
>> >narcotics dealers by routing the cash through the bank accounts of a
>> >synagogue and a yeshiva in Brooklyn.
>> >
>> >The bizarre case, federal prosecutors in Brooklyn said, brought
>> >together a collection of strange bedfellows — five New York
>> >representatives of Colombian drug traffickers, three go-betweens who
>> >purportedly transported cash in suitcase quantities, and four men with
>> >ties to a close-knit Jewish community.
>> >
>> > At one point, the officials charged, the rabbis ran tens of millions
>> >of dollars in drug profits through the bank accounts of a relatively
>> >modest Borough Park synagogue and provided nearly $3.5 million from
>> >American and Swiss accounts for the purchase of an aircraft for the
>> >Colombian drug lords.
>> >
>> >”Money launderers are the indispensable partners of major drug
>> >traffickers, and the cynical act of using religious institutions to
>> >conceal drug proceeds is particularly reprehensible,” said Zachary
>> >Carter, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of New York, in
>> >announcing the charges.
>> >
>> >Seven defendants, including Rabbi Mahir Reiss, 47, of 3543 Bedford
>> >Ave., and Rabbi Bernard Grunfeld, 64, of 1417 46th St., both in
>> >Brooklyn, were arrested Monday and were arraigned late in the day
>> >before U.S. Magistrate Judge Roanne L. Mann, charged with conspiracy
>> >to launder money. Two suspects, Grunfeld and Israel Knobloch, 24, of
>> >5200 15th Ave., Brooklyn, also were charged with conspiring to avoid
>> >federal cash-transaction reporting requirements.
>> >
>> >Six defendants were held without bail, and one, Abraham Reiss, 48, of
>> >320 Riverside Drive in Manhattan, a brother of Mahir Reiss, was
>> >released on $750,000 bail. Three other men named in the federal
>> >complaint were listed as fugitives, and two more were being held in
>> >custody elsewhere in New York in other cases, according to Lee Dunst,
>> >the assistant federal attorney prosecuting the case.
>> >
>> >Unveiling a three-year undercover investigation that used
>> >court-authorize wiretaps and other surveillance, the federal complaint
>> >charged that the two rabbis and Abraham Reiss laundered $750,000 by
>> >taking cash from go-betweens, depositing it in the bank accounts of a
>> >synagogue-based organization and, after subtracting commissions,
>> >writing checks to drug traffickers.
>> >
>> >Investigators said the bank accounts used in the scheme, held in the
>> >name of Chaim Shel Shulem, which shares quarters with Congregation
>> >Eitz Chaim at 1577 48th St. in Borough Park, held deposits of more
>> >than $19 million during the 10-month period when the laundering
>> >transactions occurred, between August 1995 and May 1996.
>> >
>> >Grunfeld, listed as the president of Chaim Shel Shulem, was said to
>> >have written all the checks that went to the drug traffickers. He and
>> >Knobloch were also accused of concealing the movement of $1 million in
>> >drug money by making 95 deposits and withdrawals of just under $10,000
>> >– the amount that triggers a government cash-transaction reporting
>> >requirement — through the bank accounts of Congregation Eitz Chaim
>> >and Bobover Yeshiva, at the same location.
>> >
>> >The defendants made no statements in court Monday. While Grunfeld was
>> >listed by prosecutors as the head of Chaim Shel Shulem, dozens of
>> >people at Congregation Eitz Chaim late Monday declined to say anything
>> >about him or the case. Some seemed not to recognize the name Chaim
>> >Shel Shulem.
>> >
>> >The synagogue and yeshiva are in a five-story building with a brick
>> >front and a small awning imprinted with the institution’s name in
>> >Hebrew. The only words in English on the facade call it “the Katz
>> >Family of Mexico Building.”
>> >
>> >In a ground-floor, two-room school lined with books, about 100 people
>> >were studying at tables. A man who appeared to be in charge, but who
>> >would not give his name, said he knew nothing about the two rabbis
>> >named in the federal complaint.
>> >
>> >The federal investigation — an undertaking of the U.S. Attorney’s
>> >Office, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Internal Revenue Service
>> >– began in 1994, when agents detected a pattern of cash deposits and
>> >withdrawals intended to circumvent the government’s reporting rules in
>> >various bank accounts held in the name of the synagogue and yeshiva,
>> >officials said.
>> >
>> >With court-authorized telephone wiretaps, surveillance and other
>> >techniques, the investigators said they uncovered a conspiracy in
>> >which Grunfeld and Knobloch eventually made more than $1 million in
>> >deposits and withdrawals — transactions, they said, that let the
>> >conspirators move large sums of illicit drug profits.
>> >
>> >Later, in 1995 and 1996, investigators said, the 12 men named in
>> >Monday’s complaint conducted a full money-laundering operation. Five
>> >of them — Lisandro Montes De Oca, 29; Francisco Gil, 30; Estenio
>> >Rodriguez, 30; Juan Suarez, 39, and Alvaro Duque, 36 –were said to
>> >have brought in large sums that Colombian drug dealers wanted to
>> >launder.
>> >
>> >The money was given to three men described as intermediaries — Jack
>> >Pinski, 35, a Colombian who is a fugitive, and Roberto Buendia, 40,
>> >and Fabio Arana, both of Medford, N.Y. They were said to have counted
>> >and stashed the money at an apartment at 243 West 75th St.
>> >
>> >There, prosecutors said, Abraham Reiss picked up the money. It was
>> >later deposited in various accounts held in the name of Chaim Shel
>> >Shulem.
>> >
>> >Grunfeld, the organization’s president, signed checks that were made
>> >out to “entities in accordance with drug traffickers’ instructions,”
>> >the federal complaint said.
>> >
>> >Those instructions were communicated through Rabbi Reiss, who had no
>> >formal connections to Chaim Shel Shulem, investigators said.
>> >Commissions of 13 percent to 15 percent were deducted from the
>> >laundered money and divided among the intermediaries.
>> >
>> >Prosecutors said they did not know how members of a deeply religious
>> >community came into contact with professional money launderers and
>> >drug traffickers. But they charged that in 1994, Rabbis Reiss and
>> >Grunfeld, and Abraham Reiss arranged $3.4 million in financing to buy
>> >a Beech Super King aircraft, a type commonly used by drug smugglers.
>> >================================================================================
>> >The Campaign for Radical Truth in History: http://www.hoffman-info.com
>> >——————————————————————————–
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>On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach
>>wrote:
>>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>>> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>>> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>>world’s sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>>actual took place.
>>> NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON’T ADD UP
>>> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>>population for that year amounted “to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine.”
>>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>>> With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>>holocaust “survivors” had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>>that in the Jews real “bible”, The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>>> The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>>having been put to death “in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”
>>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>>these figures which today are accepted as “gospel truth”.
>>> It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>>”extermination camp”.
>>>
>>> HIMMLER-“REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”
>>>
>>> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that “The death rate in the
>>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” (Source,
>>>Reitlinger’s book, “The Final Solution.”)
>>> The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler’s
>>>order on Jan 20, 1943, “Every means will be used to lower the
>>>death rates.” (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>>> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>>in the “shockingly high mortality figures.” (Source: Nuremberg
>>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>>2.8% in June 1943.
>>> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”
>>> With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>>”Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>>Criminals”. It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>>
>>> THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>>
>>> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>>states in the paper, “Books and Bookmen”, April 1975, page 5,
>>>”No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.”
>>> The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>>
>>> This brings up the following questions.
>>> 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>>> 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>>MASS GASSINGS!
>>> 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>>died from typhus.
>>> 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>>the response was always the same, “The detainees themselves have
>>>not spoken of them.” (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>>1946.)
>>>
>>> FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>>
>>> Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such “confessions” are about
>>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>>1936. The communists wrote the “Confession’ and Hoess signed it.
>>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>>died in his cell.
>>> Hoess statement read, “half an hour after having released the
>>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>>smoking.”
>>> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not “ventable”. The manufacturers state
>>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>>workers ran into the gas chamber “eating and smoking” – without
>>>gas masks – only minutes after the gassing – IF THIS OCCURRED
>>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>>
>>> GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>>
>>> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, “The Capture and Trial
>>>of Adolph Eichmann” pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>>”became immediately gaseous.”
>>> The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: “We know of
>>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air.”
>>>
>>> CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>>
>>> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), “We knew when the people
>>>were dead because their screaming stopped.” If anyone were
>>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>>which carry typhus.
>>>
>>> THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>>
>>> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT’S ALL! In these three
>>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>>ovens were very small with only 18′ doors and a time period of
>>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>>> A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>>William L. Shirer’s book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>>Reich.” It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company’s ovens.
>>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>>> “The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>>burning.”
>>> WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>>> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people – this would
>>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>>ashes.
>>> It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>>could be found. The official answer was that it was “taken to
>>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!”
>>>
>>> WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>>
>>> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>>1967. “It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>>systematic extermination in those camps.”
>>> Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: “I was at
>>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.”
>>> Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>>”The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie – the
>>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time.”
>>> Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. “The
>>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.”
>>>
>>> WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>>
>>> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>>holocaust which never occurred?
>>> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, “Not
>>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists.”
>>> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, “The
>>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>>will cowtow to the Jews.”
>>> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: “The shattering effect of
>>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews.”
>>> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>>condemned as being “anti-Semitic” and “insensitive” to holocaust
>>>victims.
>>> The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>>laws.
>>>
>>> A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>>
>>> The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>>38 years. When they don’t use the holocaust the money collection
>>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>>
>>> HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>>
>>> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>>Zionist political goals.
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On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:04:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>In a move sure to anger orthodox Jews, as well as normal humans, newspapers
>across Canada report that a Winnipeg synagogue will perform marriages
>of same sex persons.
>This, even though there is no law in Canada permitting this!!!
>Rabbi Michael Levenson of Temple Shalom admits that his actions are
>illegal.
If his actions are illegal, why don’t the authorities send him to
jail??
>He is quoted as saying that his ceremonies will be recognised
>from a religious point of view, not a political one. Levenson alleges
>that members of his temple supposedly supported his action. However,
>even normal Jews are criticising this action. It seems that what this
>Jew is doing, is NOT acceptable, according to the Torah.
No wonder people think of the jews as mainly sodomites.
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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:53:15 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:15:39 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>http://www.villagevoice.com/ink/news/21friedman.shtml
>>>>The Village Voice
>>>>22May98
>>If the following story is true, why has INTERPOL not done anything??
>>Just because the criminals are JEWS??
>>>The Most Dangerous Mobster in the World
>>>According to the FBI and Israeli Intelligence, Semion Mogilevich Rules
>>>Over an Arms-Trafficking, Money-Laundering, Drug-Running, and
>>>Art-Smuggling ‘Red Mafia’
>>>by Robert I. Friedman
>>
>>
>>>In two posh villas outside the small town of Ricany, near Prague, one
>>>of the most dreaded mob families in the world savagely murders its
>>>terrified victims. The mob’s young enforcers, trained by veterans of
>>>the Afghanistan war, are infamous for their extreme brutality. Their
>>>quarry, usually businessmen who have balked at extortion demands, are
>>>repeatedly stabbed and tortured, then mutilated before they are
>>>butchered. The carnage is so hideous that it has scared the daylights
>>>out of competing crime groups in the area.
>>
>>>The torture chambers are run by what international police officials call
>>>the Red Mafia, a notorious Russian mob family that in onlysix years has
>>>become a nefarious global crime cartel. Based in Budapest, it haskey
>>>centers in New York, Pennsylvania, Southern California, and as far away
>>>as New Zealand.
>>>
>>>The enigmatic leader of the Red Mafia is a 52-year-old Ukrainian-born
>>>JEW named Semion Mogilevich. He is a shadowy figure known as the
>>>”Brainy Don”–he holds an economics degree from the University of
>>>Lvov–and until now, he has never been exposed by the media. But the
>>>Voice has obtained hundreds of pages of classified FBI and Israeli
>>>intelligence documents from August 1996, and these documents–as well
>>>as recent interviews with a key criminal associate and with dozens of
>>>law enforcement sources here and abroad–describe him as someone who
>>>has become a grave threat to the stability of Israel and Eastern Europe.
>>
>>>”He’s the most powerful mobster in the world,” crows Monya Elson, who
>>>is listed in classified documents as one of Mogilevich’s closest
>>>associates and partners in prostitution and money laundering rings. The
>>>Brighton Beach-based Elson, who once led a pack of thugs and killers
>>>known as Monya’s Brigada, is currently in the Metropolitan Correctional
>>>Center in lower Manhattan awaiting trial for three murders and numerous
>>>extortions.
>>
>>>In July 1993, after Elson was grievously wounded by rival mobsters in a
>>>bloody shoot-out outside his Brooklyn apartment building, Mogilevich
>>>spirited him out of the country. Mogilevich then set up his Russian
>>>Jewish refugee friend in an alleged massive money-laundering scheme in
>>>Fano, Italy, where he was eventually arrested and extradited back to
>>>America. Elson, an integral part of the Red Mafia, had been one of the
>>>most feared mobsters in Brighton Beach, ground zero for Russian
>>>organized crime in America, which has exploded here following
>>>perestroika.
>>>
>>>”If I tell on Mogilevich, Interpol will give me $20 million,” boasted
>>>Elson. ”I lived with him. I’m his partner, don’t forget. We are very,
>>>very close friends. I don’t mean close, I mean very, very close. He’s my
>>>best friend.” Nevertheless, after extensive interviews over the course
>>>of the last six months, Elson ultimately confirmed some of the details
>>>about Mogilevich contained in the classified FBI and Israeli documents.
>>>
>>>Allegations of Mogilevich’s devilish array of criminal activities are
>>>extensively detailed in the reports:The FBI and Israeli intelligence
>>>assert that he traffics in nuclear materials, drugs, prostitutes,
>>>precious gems, and stolen art. His contract hit squads operate in the
>>>U.S. and Europe. He controls everything that goes in and out of Moscow’s
>>>Sheremetyevo International Airport, a ”smugglers’ paradise,” says
>>>Elson. Mogilevich bought a bankrupt airline in a former Central Asian
>>>Soviet republic for millions of dollars in cash so he could haul heroin
>>>out of the Golden Triangle. Most worrisome to U.S. authorities is
>>>Mogilevich’s apparently legal purchase of virtually the entire Hungarian
>>>armaments industry, jeopardizing regional security, NATO, and the war
>>>against terrorism.
>>>
>>>In one typical criminal deal, Mogilevich and two Moscow-based gangsters
>>>sold $20 million worth of pilfered Warsaw Pact weapons from East
>>>Germany, including ground-to-air missiles and 12 armored troop
>>>carriers, according to the classified Israeli and FBI documents. The
>>>buyer was Iran, says a top-level U.S. Customs official who requested
>>>anonymity.
>>>
>>>In another deal, an FBI informant told the bureau that one of
>>>Mogilevich’s chief lieutenants in Los Angeles met two Russians from New
>>>York City with Genovese crime family ties to broker a scheme to dump
>>>American toxic waste in Russia. Mogilevich’s man from L.A. said the Red
>>>Mafia would dispose of the toxic waste in the Chernobyl region,
>>>”probably through payoffs to the decontamination authorities there,”
>>>says a classified FBI report.
>>>
>>>Mogilevich is particularly intrigued by art fraud. In early 1993, he
>>>reached an agreement with the leaders of the powerful Solntsevskaya
>>>crime family in Moscow to invest huge sums of money in a joint venture:
>>>acquiring a jewelry business in Moscow and Budapest. The business,
>>>according to classified FBI documents, was to serve as a front for the
>>>acquisition of jewelry, antiques, and art, which the Solntsevskaya mob
>>>had stolen from churches and museums in Russia, including the Hermitage
>>>in St. Petersburg. The gangsters also robbed the homes of art
>>>collectors and even broke into synagogues in Germany and Eastern Europe
>>>to steal rare religious books and Torahs.
>>>
>>>Mogilevich’s operation, again in collusion with the Solntsevskaya mob,
>>>also purchased a large jewelry factory in Budapest. Russian antiques,
>>>such as Faberge eggs, are sent to Budapest for ”restoration.”
>>>Mogilevich’s men ship the genuine Faberge eggs to an unwitting
>>>Sotheby’s auction house in London for sale, then send fake Faberge eggs
>>>as well as other ”restored” objects back to Moscow.
>>>
>>>MOGILEVICH’S EARLY years are murky. Soviet authorities first learned of
>>>his criminal activities in the 1970s, when he was a member of the
>>>Liubertskaya crime group that operated in the Moscow suburb of the same
>>>name. He was involved in petty thefts and counterfeiting.
>>>
>>>But Mogilevich made his first millions fleecing fellow Jews. In the mid
>>>1980s, when tens of thousands of Jewish refugees were hurriedly
>>>immigrating to Israel and America, Mogilevich made deals to buy their
>>>assets–rubles, furniture, and art–cheaply, promising to exchange the
>>>goods for fair market value and send refugees the proceeds in ”hard”
>>>currency. Instead, he sold their valuables and pocketed the considerable
>>>profits.
>>>
>>>In the 1980s, he established a petroleum import-export company, Arbat
>>>International, and registered it in Alderney, one of the Channel
>>>Islands, which is known to be a tax haven. One of his partners–with a
>>>quarter share of the company–was Vyacheslav Ivankov, the legendary
>>>Russian criminal who in March 1992 became Godfather of the Russian mob
>>>in America. Ivankov was convicted in 1996 of extorting two Russian-born
>>>Wall Street stockbrokers. He now resides in Raybrook, a Federal prison
>>>in upstate New York.
>>>
>>>In early 1990, Mogilevich fled Moscow, as did many other dons, to avoid
>>>the gangland wars that were then roiling the capital. Mogilevich and his
>>>top henchmen settled in Israel, where they received Israeli
>>>citizenship. He ”succeeded in building a bridgehead in Israel” and
>>>”developing significant and influential [political] ties,” says an
>>>Israeli intelligence report.
>>>
>>>Mogilevich is married to a Hungarian national, Katalin Papp. That
>>>marriage allowed him to legally emigrate to Budapest, Hungary, in 1991,
>>>where he began to build the foundations of his global criminal empire.
>>>He bought a string of nightclubs in Prague, Riga, and Kiev–called the
>>>”Black and White Clubs”–that has become one of the world’s foremost
>>>centers of prostitution. Monya Elson is a partner in the clubs,
>>>according to his own admission and classified FBI documents. The Black
>>>and White Club in Budapest became the hub of Mogilevich’s operations. He
>>>quickly built a highly structured criminal organization, in the mode of
>>>a traditional American mafia family. Indeed, many of the organization’s
>>>250 members are his relatives.
>>>
>>>To the consternation of international law enforcement officials,
>>>Mogilevich began to legally purchase much of Hungary’s arms industry.
>>>The legitimate companies he bought include:
>>>
>>>-Magnex 2000: a giant magnet manufacturer.
>>>
>>>-Digep General Machine Works: an artillery shell, mortar, and fire
>>>equipment manufacturer, which was financed by a $3.8 million loan from
>>>the London branch of Banque Francaise De L’orean.
>>>
>>>-Army Co-op: a mortar and anti-aircraft gun factory. Army Co-op was
>>>established in 1991 by two Hungarian nationals, both in the local arms
>>>industry, who were looking for a partner. Mogilevich has bought 95 per
>>>cent of Army Co-op through another Channel Island holding company,
>>>Arigon, Ltd., and also deals extensively with the Ukraine, selling oil
>>>products to the Ukrainian railway administration.
>>>
>>>These transactions enabled the Mogilevich organization to become a
>>>direct owner of the Hungarian armaments industry. In 1994, he purchased
>>>a license enabling him to buy and sell weapons. Now a legitimate
>>>armaments manufacturer, one of his companies participated in at least
>>>one arms exhibition in the U.S., where it displayed mortars modified by
>>>Israel.
>>>
>>>Like mob bosses everywhere, Mogilevich couldn’t sustain his empire
>>>without the help of corrupt police and politicians. There is one
>>>documented example of a criminal associate of Mogilevich mingling with
>>>American politicians. In March 1994, Vahtang Ubiriya, one of
>>>Mogilevich’s top lieutenants, was photographed by the FBI at a tony
>>>Republican Party fundraiser in Dallas, says an FBI report. Ubiriya, a
>>>high-ranking official in the Ukrainian railway administration, has a
>>>prior conviction for bribery in the Ukraine.
>>>
>>>In Europe and Russia, the ”corruption of police and public officials
>>>has been part of the Semion Mogilevich Organization’s modus operandi,”
>>>says a classified FBI document. ”The corruptive influence of the
>>>Mogilevich organization apparently extends to the Russian security
>>>system. During 1995, two colonels from Department of the Russian
>>>Presidential Security Service . . . traveled to Hungary under commercia
>>>cover to meet with Mogilevich . . . seeking information for use in the
>>>Russian political campaign.” An Israeli associate of Mogilevich met
>>>with the two colonels and provided intelligence. Mogilevich also paid
>>>off a Russian judge to secure Vyacheslav Ivankov’s early release from a
>>>Siberian prison, where he was doing hard time for robbery and torture,
>>>according to U.S. court records and classified FBI documents.
>>>
>>>On April 28, the German national television network ZDF reported that
>>>the BND (the German intelligence agency) had entered into a secret
>>>contract with Mogilevich to provide information on the Russian mob.
>>>The charges were made by several sources, including Pierre Delilez, a
>>>highly regarded Belgium police investigator who specializes in Russian
>>>Organized Crime. Because of this deal with the BND, police in Belgium,
>>>Germany, and Austria have complained that it is now impossible to
>>>investigate the ”Brainy Don.” If the television report is accurate,
>>>one possible motive for BND’s deal, says a U.S. law enforcement expert
>>>on the Russian mob, is that the Germans recently ”pulled their people
>>>out of Moscow because they didn’t like the level of cooperation they
>>>were getting from the Russian authorities on the Russian mob.”
>>>Gangsters, said this source, often talk to intelligence agencies about
>>>their rivals.
>>>
>>>MOGILEVICH’S MAIN activity in the U.S. appears to be money laundering,
>>>says a classified FBI report. He has set up companies in Los
>>>Angeles–FNJ Trade Management–and Newton, Pennsylvania–YBM Magnex
>>>International–as well as dozens of shell companies, which have
>>>received more than $30 million from Arigon, Ltd., the center of
>>>Mogilevich’s financial operations.
>>>
>>>Last Friday, U.S. Attorney Robert Courtney, head of the organized-crime
>>>strike force, led a a joint FBI, IRS, INS, and Customs raid of YBM’s
>>>offices in Newton. Cartons of documents were seized, with Canadian and
>>>U.S. police citing the company’s alleged ties to Russian organized
>>>crime. YBM is publicly traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange, and two
>>>days before Friday’s raid, trading in its stock was suspended by
>>>Canadian authorities.
>>>
>>>The president and CEO of YBM is Jacob Bogatin, a professor of physical
>>>metallurgy. In May 1996, he contacted the FBI in Philadelphia to find
>>>out why the INS had denied visas to YBM employees arriving from Hungary
>>>and the Ukraine. When he was rebuffed, he had intermediaries step
>>>forward and pester the FBI. The State Department has banned Mogilevich
>>>himself from obtaining a U.S. visa because he’s on the department’s
>>>watch list of international organized-crime figures. Nevertheless, he
>>>has surreptitiously entered America under aliases and on visitor visas
>>>issued in Tel Aviv to visit Elson and Ivankov.
>>>
>>>Bogatin admitted during a telephone interview that Mogilevich owns his
>>>company. When asked if he knew that numerous law enforcement agencies
>>>here and abroad considered Mogilevich to be a leader of one of the most
>>>ruthless organized-crime families in recent times, Bogatin replied,
>>>”We have an investors relations guy. You want to talk with him about
>>>this stuff.” He added that he had read allegations in the Eastern
>>>European press that his boss was a Mafia don, but didn’t believe them.
>>>YBM vehemently denies that it is connected to Russian organized crime or
>>>has engaged in any criminal activities.
>>>
>>>Bogatin is no stranger to the mob, however. His brother, David, a top
>>>Russian crime figure who once served in North Vietnam for the Soviets in
>>>an anti-aircraft unit, is now serving an eight-year term in a New York
>>>State prison for a multimillion-dollar gasoline tax fraud scheme. Just
>>>prior to trial, he had jumped bail, fleeing to Poland. There he set up
>>>the first commercial banks, which moved vast sums of money controlled
>>>by Russian wiseguys. (This after handing over his mortgages for five
>>>pricey Trump Tower apartments to a Genovese associate. The mortgages
>>>were liquidated and the funds were moved through a mafia-controlled
>>>bank in Chelsea.) Eventually he was caught and returned to the U.S. In
>>>the meantime, he lived like royalty in a five-star Viennese hotel,
>>>surrounded by a praetorian guard of 125 Polish parachutists, some of
>>>them bedecked in shiny gold uniforms.
>>>
>>>Mogilevich has not refrained from associating with known killers in
>>>America, prime among them Elson and Ivankov. A confidential informant
>>>told the FBI that Vladimir Berkovich, an L.A. resident, is a chief
>>>lieutenant in Mogilevich’s organization and has arranged contract
>>>killings here, supplying the weapons and spiriting the killers out of
>>>the country. The visas, says the report, were obtained through the Palm
>>>Terrace restaurant, a watering hole for Russian gangsters, which
>>>Berkovich owns. Berkovich told the Voice that he is aware of the
>>>government’s charges, and that they are ”total bullshit.” Although he
>>>has no criminal record in the U.S., Berkovich’s son, Oleg, was convicted
>>>in Los Angeles of solicitation to commit murder on October 11, 1989. He
>>>was sentenced to four years. Oleg’s business card identified his
>>>employer as Magnex, Ltd., a company owned by Mogilevich in Budapest.
>>>Oleg was recently arrested in Hungary on unspecified charges but was
>>>released.
>>>
>>>Oleg’s uncle, the colorful Lazar Berkovich, whose last known address was
>>>New York City, arrived in the Big Apple after having survived a
>>>shootout with Italian gangsters, says his brother Vladimir. The FBI
>>>report claims that Lazar was head of Russian criminal activities in
>>>Italy prior to his coming to America to recuperate from his wounds,
>>>though Vladimir Bercovich denies that Lazar was ever connected to the
>>>Russian mob.
>>>
>>>Israeli and U.S. law enforcement sources agree that the Red Mafia,
>>>though in existence for a mere six years, has become one of the most
>>>formidable Russian organized-crime families in the world. Strongest in
>>>the Ukraine, Hungary, the Czech Republic, and the U.S., Mogilevich has
>>>increased his strength by forging ties with other powerful Russian mob
>>>groups as well as with the Italian Camorra. His reported ties to the
>>>German BND and ex-police officers in Hungary keep him informed of police
>>>efforts to penetrate his organization. ”He also ingratiates himself
>>>with the police by providing information on other [Russian crime]
>>>groups’ activities, thus appearing to be a cooperative good citizen,”
>>>says a classfied FBI report. This, along with his strong leadership
>>>qualities, his acute financial skills, his talented and highly educated
>>>associates, and his use of cutting-edge technology, has so far made
>>>the ”Brainy Don” impervious to prosecution.
>>>
>>>This document last modified Friday, May 22, 1998, 10:31 AM EDT.
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On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:10:51 +1100, “Professor Moriarty”
<@reichenbach.falls> wrote:
>Please remove soc.culture.russian from the addressee NG list. The thread has
>nothing to do with Russians.
Actually, as this century’s victims of JEWS, and having lost about 100
million normal citizens of the former Soviet Union tyhis century
because of the JEWS, all articles about JEWS are relevant!!!
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In Canada a JEW Rabbi now wants to perform ILLEGAL marriages of
faggots and lezzies. Story follows:
On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:04:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>In a move sure to anger orthodox Jews, as well as normal humans, newspapers
>across Canada report that a Winnipeg synagogue will perform marriages
>of same sex persons.
>This, even though there is no law in Canada permitting this!!!
>Rabbi Michael Levenson of Temple Shalom admits that his actions are
>illegal.
If his actions are illegal, why don’t the authorities send him to
jail??
>He is quoted as saying that his ceremonies will be recognised
>from a religious point of view, not a political one. Levenson alleges
>that members of his temple supposedly supported his action. However,
>even normal Jews are criticising this action. It seems that what this
>Jew is doing, is NOT acceptable, according to the Torah.
No wonder people think of the jews as mainly sodomites.
On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 05:45:47 +0000, Claymore
>All LEZZAS are Hate filled Bigoted Scum, just like faggots and should be
>GASSED !.
>In article <[email protected]>, Israel Schiff
>
>>On Mon, 23 Dec 1996, Elazar wrote: “For my Jewish brethren searching for a
>>Biblical basis for sanctioning homosexuality, I provide you with words from
>>Rabbis Marc Angel, Hillel Goldberg and Pinchas Stopler in their joint
>>article published in the Winter, 1992-93 edition of Jewish Action Magazine;”
>>Well, here’s another viewpoint: Bible Review, December 1993, p. 11 DOES THE
>>BIBLE PROHIBIT HOMOSEXUALITY? by Rabbi Jacob Milgrom: “The Biblical
>>prohibition is addressed only to Israel. It is incorrect to apply it on a
>>universal scale.
>>This past Yom Kippur, September 25, 1993, my synagogue invited me to explain
>>the afternoon scriptural reading, the list of forbidden sexual liaisons in
>>Leviticus 18. I chose to focus on what is today one of the most frequently
>>quoted passages in the entire Bible, “Do not lie with a male as one lies
>>with a woman, it is an abomination” (Leviticus 18:22).
>>
>>What I said may be both good news and bad news to my Christian friends,
>>depending on their position on gay and lesbian rights. This Biblical
>>prohibition is addressed only to the Jews. Non-Jews are affected only if
>>they reside in the Holy Land, but not elsewhere (see the closing exhortation
>>in Leviticus 18, verses 24-30). Thus, it is incorrect to apply this
>>prohibition on a universal scale.
>>
>>But I spoke to my fellow Jews, who are required to observe this prohibition.
>>What is the rationale for this prohibition? In a previous column, I noted
>>that the Bible’s impurity rules are part of a symbol system representing the
>>forces of life and death. Israel is required to avoid these impurities and
>>adhere to the laws commanded by God, who promotes the forces of life. Thus
>>in the same chapter we read, “You shall heed my statutes and my rules, by
>>doing them one shall live” (Leviticus 18:5). A man who discharges semen,
>>whether intentionally or otherwise, is declared impure and must purify
>>himself by bathing (a sort of re-baptism) before he is permitted to enter
>>the Temple or touch sacred (sacrificial) food (Leviticus 15:16-18). Why?
>>Because semen stands for life, and the loss of semen symbolizes the loss of
>>life.
>>
>>Note also that in the entire list of forbidden sexual unions, THERE IS NO
>>PROHIBITION AGAINST LESBIANISM. Can it be that lesbianism did not exist in
>>ancient times or that Scripture was unaware of its existence? Lesbians
>>existed and flourished, as attested in an old (pre-Israelite)
>>
>>Babylonian text and in the work of the lesbian poet Sappho (born c. 612
>>B.C.E., during the time of the First Temple), who came from the island of
>>Lesbos (hence lesbianism). But there is a fundamental difference between the
>>homosexual acts of men and women. IN LESBIANISM THERE IS NO SPILLING OF
>>SEED. Thus life is not symbolically lost, and therefore lesbianism is not
>>prohibited in the Bible.
>>
>>My argument ostensibly can be countered by a more comprehensive biblical
>>injunction. The very first commandment, given to Adam and repeated to Noah,
>>is “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth” (Genesis 1:28 and Genesis
>>9:1,7). The descendants of Noah–the entire human race–are duty-bound to
>>fulfill this commandment. But the truth is that we have not only filled the
>>earth, we have over-filled it. This does not mean, however, that the
>>commandment should be thought of as no longer in force–especially among
>>Jews, who have lost a third of their members in our lifetime. I recall an
>>incident during a premarital interview from the early years of my rabbinate.
>>The starry-eyed bride declared her noble intention to have twelve children
>>to compensate for the tragic loss of six million killed in the Holocaust. I
>>gasped, “Must you do it all by yourself?”
>>
>>I have since come to regret my flippant reply. This couple regarded their
>>forthcoming marriage as a sacrament not just between themselves, but with
>>the >Jewish people. The problem has worsened for American Jews. Because
>>intermarriage is rife and the Jewish birth rate is low, American Jewry, once
>>at zero population growth, has dipped into the minus column. Were it not for
>>a steady stream of converts, the extinction of American Jewry would be even
>>more imminent. For us the divine command, “Be fruitful and multiply” is
>>truly in force.
>>
>>To Jewish homosexuals I offer an unoriginal solution. As compensation for
>>your loss of seed, adopt children. Although adoption was practiced in the
>>ancient world (as attested in Babylonian law), there is no Biblical
>>procedure or institution of adoption. As a result the institution of
>>adoption is absent from rabbinic jurisprudence. Yet there are isolated cases
>>of a kind of pseudo-adoption in the Bible. For example, Abraham, long
>>childless, complains to God that Eliezer of Damascus, his steward, will
>>inherit him (Genesis 15:2). And barren Rachel beseeches her husband Jacob,
>>”Here is my maid Bilhah–go into her that she may bear on my knees and that
>>through her I too may have children” (Genesis 30:3). Adoption is certainly a
>>possibility today.
>>
>>Lesbian couples have an additional advantage. Not only do they not violate
>>biblical law, but through artificial insemination each can become the
>>natural mother of her children.
>>
>>Thus from the Bible we can infer the following: Lesbians, presumably half of
>>the world’s homosexual population, are not mentioned. More than ninety-nine
>>percent of the gays, namely non-Jews, are not addressed. This leaves the
>>small number of male Jewish gays subject to this >prohibition. If they are
>>biologically or psychologically incapable of procreation, adoption provides
>>a solution. I hope the Eternal, in love and compassion, will then reckon
>>their spilled seed as producing fruit. Jacob Milgrom.” (Bible Review, a
>>publication of the Biblical Archeology Society 3000 Connecticut Avenue NW,
>>Suite 300, Washington DC 20008, 202 387 8888
>>
>>
>>
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On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 03:16:26 -0800, [email protected] (“Expat
Authority”) wrote:
>What are you trying to achieve by posting all these
>anti-Jewish messages? What is your purpose?
>Jewish people in your country are local citizens.
> There are bad people among them,
>*** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ***
It seems that he must either be one of the foul jews, or similar??
This story, documented by a well respected Jewish writer, was carried
in many other newspapers across Canada.
The Zionist murderers are angry that it was written by a Jew, to tell
the TRUTH for a change!!!
On 17 Dec 1998 08:05:54 GMT, “Koshercook”
wrote:
>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and
>Still Hide It From Us…]
>Archived for Scholarly Study
>From the Toronto Sun – December 13, 1998
>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor
>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of
>that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th
>anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists
>now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be reminded of the Unknown
>Holocaust.
>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin
>determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent farmers – called
>kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine’s
>growing spirit of nationalism.
>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow – earlier
>versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into
>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of
>recalcitrant farmers.
>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU
>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many
>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of
>death – mass starvation.
>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
>Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used
>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine
>cased one million deaths.)
>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing
>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel.
>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar
>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet
>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of
>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named
>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.
>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch
>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus
>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.
>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s custom-made famine and
>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB’s archives, and
>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died.
>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five
>percent of Ukraine’s population was exterminated. Millions of victims
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million
>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia,
>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR;
>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide
>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war
>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
Note that this article is written by a well regarded Jewish writer in
Canada!!!
>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes
>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and
>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both
>communism and their suffering.
> As a direct result, during the subsequent
>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the
>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s Jews by
>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been
>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler
>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before
>the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or
>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day.
>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM
>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed
>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not see one
>under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent Walter
>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of
>famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million people were dying around
>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated
>Duranty’s lies.
>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical
>roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime – the inevitable
>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of
>Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian genocide and
>Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him as an ally
>during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,”
>murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.
>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought
>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago,
>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state
>pension.
On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:47:21 -0800, [email protected] (“Expat
Authority”) wrote:
>I have read some anti-Jewish postings on this NG… I say: stop!
>You know, I think that it is unfair to stereotype! You are saying that all
>Jews are bad, bloodsuckers etc.
>Yes there are people like that among the Jewish community there.
>EA
>*** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ***
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On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:48:57 +1000, “DragonSlayer”
>Mark Aarons is a Jew and a communist who worked for the Australian
>Broadcasting Service. Most, if not all of his information was based on small
>propaganda booklets produced by the USSR (in English) and distributed by the
>many USSR friendship societies and the communist party of Australia. All
>have been found to be fabrications. One well known one identified a person
>who supposedly was a “callaborator” during 1943. However, this particular
>person, on investigation, was found to have been born in 1946!
>
>This was common in those propaganda booklets. His reputation has been as a
>fabricator and a mouth-piece for the former USSR. He has no credibility and
>no longer works for the ABC.
It seems that he must either be one of the foul jews, or similar??
This story, documented by a well respected Jewish writer, was carried
in many other newspapers across Canada.
The Zionist murderers are angry that it was written by a Jew, to tell
the TRUTH for a change!!!
On 17 Dec 1998 08:05:54 GMT, “Koshercook”
wrote:
>Remembering Ukraine’s Unknown Holocaust
>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and
>Still Hide It From Us…]
>Archived for Scholarly Study
>From the Toronto Sun – December 13, 1998
>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor
>As Britain’s socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of
>that Great Satan of the left, Chile’s Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th
>anniversary of this century’s bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists
>now baying for Pinochet’s head don’t want to be reminded of the Unknown
>Holocaust.
>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin
>determined to force Ukraine’s millions of independent farmers – called
>kulaks – into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine’s
>growing spirit of nationalism.
>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow – earlier
>versions of Mao’s Red Guards – to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into
>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of
>recalcitrant farmers.
>When Stalin’s red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU
>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many
>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of
>death – mass starvation.
>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
>Ukraine’s farms. (Ethiopia’s Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used
>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine
>cased one million deaths.)
>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing
>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel.
>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar
>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet
>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of
>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named
>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.
>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch
>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus
>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.
>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin’s custom-made famine and
>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB’s archives, and
>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died.
>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five
>percent of Ukraine’s population was exterminated. Millions of victims
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million
>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia,
>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR;
>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide
>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war
>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
Note that this article is written by a well regarded Jewish writer in
Canada!!!
>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes
>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and
>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both
>communism and their suffering.
> As a direct result, during the subsequent
>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews became the
>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s Jews by
>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been
>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler
>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before
>the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of millions was simply denied, or
>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day.
>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM
>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed
>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: “I did not see one
>under-nourished person in Russia.” New York Times correspondent Walter
>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of
>famine were “malignant propaganda.” Seven million people were dying around
>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated
>Duranty’s lies.
>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical
>roots are entwined with this century’s greatest crime – the inevitable
>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of
>Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian genocide and
>Stalin’s other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him as an ally
>during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called “Uncle Joe,”
>murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.
>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought
>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago,
>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state
>pension.
On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:47:21 -0800, [email protected] (“Expat
Authority”) wrote:
>I have read some anti-Jewish postings on this NG… I say: stop!
>You know, I think that it is unfair to stereotype! You are saying that all
>Jews are bad, bloodsuckers etc.
>Yes there are people like that among the Jewish community there.
>EA
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>On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:36 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:42:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>>>gangster!!!
>>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>>>>
>>>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin’s participation in war crimes
>>>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>>>not been used yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook “to
>>>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.” A Signatory may
>>>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>>>
>>>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world’s
>>>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States’ legal obligations to do so.
>>>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>>>
>>>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>>>1977, as ‘grave breaches’, the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>>>prosecute.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>>>
>>>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>>>
>>>>>”1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately.” The order was signed “Yitzhak
>>>>>R[abin].”
>>>>>
>>>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>>>”The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949″ by Israeli
>>>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo’s book “The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland”, Quartet Books,
>>>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>>>
>>>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin’s implication in
>>>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin’s orders. As a prelude to
>>>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile’. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>>>planned ‘transfer’ policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>>>master plan of “ethnical cleansing”.
>>>>>
>>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>>
>>>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as ‘war crimes’.
>>>>>
>>>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>>>> of their Inhabitants
>>>>>
>>>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>>>
>>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>>
>>>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>>>prohibit “at any time and in any place whatsoever….collective
>>>>>punishments”. It seems that the destruction of these villages – every
>>>>>single house in them – constitutes ‘collective punishment’ within the
>>>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>>>> Youngsters
>>>>>
>>>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by “force, might,
>>>>>beatings”. More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>>>
>>>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>>>these practices (i.e. Ha’aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin’s role in these
>>>>>policies.
>>>>>
>>>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) “inhuman treatment….wilfully
>>>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health”. Protocol I
>>>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>>>the acts which remain “prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:”: “Violence to
>>>>>the….physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular….(iii)
>>>>>corporal punishment.”
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>>>> Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>>>
>>>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin’s war:
>>>>>”Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>>>southern Lebanon. (…) Rabin’s War – Operation Accountability – has killed
>>>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>>>Beirut. (…) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(…) About
>>>>>80 villages have been hit.”. According to the London-based Middle East
>>>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the “majority of casualties were
>>>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>>>around 100,000.”
>>>>>
>>>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was “expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon ‘uninhabitable’ and to create a
>>>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel’s will (…)”
>>>>>
>>>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), “some 400,000
>>>>>people – mainly Shi’ite Muslims – fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves”.
>>>>>
>>>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>>>specifies as a ‘grave breach’ (war crime) “making the civilian population
>>>>>or individual civilians the object of attack” as well as “launching an
>>>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects”. Further details are provided
>>>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a ‘grave breach’ of international
>>>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>>>
>>>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>>>
>>>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>>>
>>>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>>>their country’s sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>>>
>>>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>>>of hostilities.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>>>
>>>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mr. Rabin’s Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>>>
>>>>>As to Mr. Rabin’s personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>>>and 1967).
>>>>>
>>>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>>>”to break the bones” of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by “force, might, beatings” and
>>>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel’s Prime
>>>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin’s primary responsibility for this act.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>>>
>>>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>>>described as ‘war crimes’ as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>>>view, only the most outrageous types of ‘war crimes’, as committed in World
>>>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>>>Conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>>>the “deportation … for any … purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>>>occupied territory” as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>>>”deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>>>population….when such acts are done….in connection with any crime
>>>>>against peace or any war crime”, as Crime against Humanity.
>>>>>
>>>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>>>process of law to determine a defendant’s culpability and punishment). The
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes ‘corporal punishment’, although not as
>>>>>a ‘grave breach’. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the ‘grave
>>>>>breaches’ (war crimes), if such attacks were committed “wilfully, in
>>>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>>>serious injury to body or health”.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>>>
>>>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>>>then, state:
>>>>>
>>>>>”The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law”
>>>>>(Principle III. “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him”.
>>>>>(Principle IV).
>>>>>
>>>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>>>such reservations.
>>>>>
>>>>>Conclusion
>>>>>
>>>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>>>short legal discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived – legally – by
>>>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today’s world, it
>>>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>>>circumstances.
>>>>>
>>>>>Human rights’ and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin’s
>>>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>>>found.
>>>>
>>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser
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On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:06:14 +0000, Thor 88!
>In article
>
>I bet it is the work of stinking kikes, that is just their Cowardly
>Fucking style, the Scum Hook Nosed Bastard’s !.
>They cannot beat us in a fair debate so they resort to technology –
>invented by their White Betters I might add.
>
>GOD I HATE jEWS !!!!.
>
>>
>> GUESS WHAT, NOW WE’RE BEING CENSORED
>>BY A SOFTWARE PROGRAM THAT BLOCKS CROSS
>>POSTING .
>>
>> Time to go clean our rifles again .
>>
>>Ken.
>>
>>
>And hone our Kabar’s. Thor 88!
>
>>————Reply Separator—————-
>>On 12/23/98 11:33PM, in message
>><[email protected]>, Marc Lemire
>>
>>
>>The use of ‘truth’ must remain unfettered | Peter
>>Stockland
>>
>>The Calgary Herald | December 11, 1998
>>
>>It is alarming enough to hear left-wing nutbars in
>>B.C.’s NDP government
>>want criminal code restictions on the truth.
>>
>>More worrisone still is learning that federal
>>Justice Minister Anne
>>McLellan and her provincial counterparts largely
>>approve the idea.
>>
>>Though little publicized, the country’s justice
>>ministers met in Regina
>>earlier this fall to discuss toughening up criminal
>>laws against hate
>>propaganda.
>>
>>Under urging from B.C. Attorney-General Ujjal
>>Dosanjh and his cadre of
>>social reconstruction bureaucrats, the ministers
>>approved in principle
>>reforms that must raise the neck hair of all
>>concerned about free speech
>>and the free contest of ideas.
>>
>>In fairness, a spokesman for the Alberta justice
>>ministry made clear to me
>>this province is taking careful steps to ensure
>>implementation doesn’t
>>violate fundamental democratic principles.
>>
>>Spokesman Peter Tadman said Justice Minister Jon
>>Havelock signed off on the
>>general proposals, his support is contingent on the
>>details passing full
>>Charter of Rights review.
>>
>>Pierre Gratton, press secretray for McLellan, also
>>stressed the federal
>>justice minister is a year away from introducing
>>legislation reflecting the
>>proposals.
>>
>>However, he added: “The assumption is there is full
>>support to move forward
>>and develop the legislation.”
>>
>>Even that should give serious pause. One troublesome
>>proposal would let
>>police seize computer hard drives suspected of
>>containing hate propaganda.
>>
>>It wouldn’t be necessary to actually disseminate the
>>material. The mere
>>possession of words or images deemed “hateful” could
>>bring Constable
>>Longnose and company battering through the domicile
>>door.
>>
>>Worse, under the reforms, accused hate-mongers would
>>be unable to defend
>>themselves on the basis of sincere belief in the
>>truth of whatever they
>>were allegedly mongering.
>>
>>Gratton said this planned restriction is meant to
>>keep courtrooms from
>>becoming platforms for spouting such things as
>>Holocaust denial.
>>
>>”Figuring out how we’d do that is the work that
>>still has to be done.”
>>
>>It is a delicate business, indeed, and one arguably
>>better left aside in a
>>democratic society.
>>
>>However great and glorious original intention might
>>be, the risk is
>>enormous that government, and the courts through
>>criminal law, will become
>>arbiters of acceptable opinion, adjudicators of
>>history.
>>
>>The consequences are evident from a case in Holland
>>where judges decreed
>>this week that a book publisher will be heavily
>>fined if it prints a tract
>>challenging the authenticity of Anne Frank’s diaries.
>>
>>The screed apparently claims the diaries were
>>written by Frank’s father,
>>not by the young woman who’s a worldwide symbol of
>>Nazi atrocity.
>>
>>The publisher has a reputation for printing
>>Holocaust denial books so the
>>courts ruled the Anne Frank book, is by association,
>>just another in that
>>vein.
>>
>>Now, I cannot understand why anyone would engage in
>>such a spurious pursuit
>>as Holocaust denial. The Holocaust happened. People
>>by the boxcar
>>load–including Anne Frank–suffered and died in
>>circumstances of
>>unimaginable horror.
>>
>>If the devil is in the details of that horror, then
>>those obsessed with
>>finding and contesting them can go to hell as far as
>>I’m concerned. Life is
>>too short, and too precious.
>>
>>Saying that, however, does not mean the state should
>>use criminal sanction
>>to deny the deniers the freedom to hold their fetid
>>versions of the truth.
>>
>>We may all agree that hatred is a contemptible
>>thing. But can we agree, in
>>language precise enough to sustain criminal charges,
>>exactly what
>>constitutes hatred? Is it really a mere demented
>>opinion? Worse, is it
>>simply a point of view we find objectionable?
>>
>>Increasingly, the word *is* being used in this
>>latter sense. Conservatives
>>in all the world’s major faiths are now quite
>>accustomed, for example, to
>>having truth they hold sacred decried as “hatred”
>>when they conflict with
>>late 20th-century amorality.
>>
>>On a more local level, the cartoonist at this
>>newspaper was publicly
>>accused Wednesday of being “hateful” for his lampoon
>>of the tax-funded
>>National Action Committee on the Status of Women.
>>
>>Granted, not even the lunacies cooked up by B.C.’s
>>socialist silly geese
>>would likely land the Herald’s Vance Rodewalt in the
>>hoosegow for his
>>drawings. But the defining down of what constitutes
>>true hatred, and the
>>ubiquity with which the debased term is toosed
>>around, makes any legal
>>restrictions on the use of truth a dangerous path to
>>tread.
>>
>>It is one thing for B.C.-style lefties to skip
>>obliviously along that route
>>since they believe truth is just a social construct
>>anyway. We need only
>>look next door to see the sort of social horror show
>>they yearn to
>>construct.
>>
>>For the rest of us, alarm bells should be ringing.
>>So should the office
>>phone of every justice minister in the land.
>>
>>Stockland can be reached at (403) 235-7562 or
>>E-mail at
>>———
>>—————————————————–
>>——————
>> CANADIAN ASSOCIATION FOR FREE
>>EXPRESSION
>>—————————————————–
>>——————
>> CAFE FREE SPEECH
>>MONITOR NEWSLETTER
>> P.O. Box 332, Stn. “B”
>>$25.00/Year
>> Etobicoke, Ontario
>> M9W 5L3
>>*INTERNET*
>> Telephone: (905) 897-7221
>>[email protected]
>> Fax: (905) 277-3914
>>http://cafe.canadafirst.net
>>—————————————————–
>>——————
>> Proposed Changes to Canada’s so-called
>>”Hate Laws”
>>
>> Get involved now! – SIGN OUR
>>PETITION
>>
>> >>>
>>http://www.canadafirst.net/cafe/proposed_hate_law/ind
>>ex.html <<<
>>
>>
>>The petition and your comments will be presented in
>>*person* to Justice
>>Minister Anne McLellan, Liberal M.P.s, and numerous
>>key opposition
>>M.P.s.!
>>
>>Background:
>>
>>After secret meetings in 1998 Canada’s 10 provincial
>>Attorney Generals
>>and the federal Soliciter General have recommended
>>drafting new laws
>>that would criminalize computer owners, religious
>>groups, conservatives,
>>historians, and anyone who expresses a political
>>opinion. The
>>recommendations are a surrender to minority
>>special-interest groups that
>>have been lobbying for years to restrict
>>free-speech.
>>
>>These proposals would again expand Canada’s
>>notorious “hate law”
>>(Section 319 of the Criminal Code).
>>
>>New laws would:
>>
>>* Give police powers to enter your house, search
>>your computer
>> hard-drive, and then seize the computer if in
>>their opinion it
>> contained “hateful material”!
>>
>>* Add “sexual orientation” to the long list of
>>”special categories”
>> protected under the “hate law”. This would
>>criminalize, for example,
>> any opposition by conservative Christians, Moslems
>>and Jews to the
>> homosexual lifestyle. This ominous expansion of
>>protected groups also
>> seems designed to shield child molesters and
>>pedophiles from ‘hatred
>> or contempt’.
>>
>>* Make possession of alledged “hate” material for
>>distribution a
>> criminal offence. This is aimed at throttling
>>groups opposed to
>> imposed bilingualism, wide open immigration,
>>NAFTA, the New World
>> Order, and the homosexual agenda. The fear of
>>possessing news-letters
>> that could lead to criminal charges would persuade
>>individuals and
>> groups not to organize. This is the same type of
>>intimidation used in
>> pre-1988 Russia to stifle any political dissent.
>>
>>* Overturn laws which our ancestors fought and died
>>to protect by making
>> truth no defence for court-defendants who question
>>historical
>> genocide. As in Russia, this would result in
>>state-sanctioned history.
>> For example if one’s research showed that the
>>government approved
>> figure of 1.5 million Irish victims of the 1848
>>famine was actually
>> closer to 1.3 million, they could be arrested and
>>tried without being
>> allowed to show their evidence in court. Today in
>>repressive regimes
>> like North Korea scholarship and learning stultify
>>as the threat of
>> prison prevents anyone from questioning
>>state-sanctioned history.
>>
>>
>> “God grants liberty only to those
>> who love it, and are always ready
>> to guard and defend it.”
>> – Daniel Webster
>>
>>
>> Concerned? Sign below!
>>
>>The names and comments will be presented to
>>Attorney-General Anne
>>McLellan and to Justice critics of the Progressive
>>Conservative party,
>>Reform party, NDP and the Bloc Quebecois.
>>
>> LET THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT KNOW WHAT YOU THINK
>>OF THIS GROSS
>> INFRINDGEMENT OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH
>>
>>
>>PETITION QUESTION
>>
>> I am appalled by recommendations of your
>>department and the 10
>> provincial Attorney Generals which would
>>criminalize many forms of
>> political dissent and widely held religious
>>views such as
>> opposition to homosexuality.
>>
>> These proposals would remove truth as a
>>defence when questioning
>> historical genocides, and allow police to
>>seize computer
>> hard-drives on suspicion they contain “hateful
>>material”.
In other words any discussion regarding the HOLOHOAX would become
illegal in Canada.
Mind you the atrocities of the JEWS in Palestine, or those they did in
Ukraine would be termed “ethnic cleansing”??
>> We urge you to toss these totalitarian
>>proposals into the waste
>> basket as they are an affront to all Canadians
>>committed to free
>> speech and a disgrace to our nation.
>>http://www.canadafirst.net/cafe/proposed_hate_law/ind
>>ex.html
>>
>>************** PLEASE SEND THIS TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS
>>ALSO, *************
>>*************** AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO SIGN THE
>>PETITION! **************
>> CANADIAN ASSOCIATION FOR FREE
>>EXPRESSION
>>—————————————————–
>>——————
>>CAFE FREE SPEECH
>>MONITOR NEWSLETTER
>>P.O. Box 332, Stn. “B”
>>$25.00/Year Etobicoke,
>>Ontario M9W 5L3
>> *INTERNET*
>>Telephone: (905) 897-7221
>>[email protected] Fax:
>>(905) 277-3914
>>http://cafe.canadafirst.net
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On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:06:14 +0000, Thor 88!
>In article
>
>I bet it is the work of stinking kikes, that is just their Cowardly
>Fucking style, the Scum Hook Nosed Bastard’s !.
>They cannot beat us in a fair debate so they resort to technology –
>invented by their White Betters I might add.
>
>GOD I HATE jEWS !!!!.
>
>>
>> GUESS WHAT, NOW WE’RE BEING CENSORED
>>BY A SOFTWARE PROGRAM THAT BLOCKS CROSS
>>POSTING .
>>
>> Time to go clean our rifles again .
>>
>>Ken.
>>
>>
>And hone our Kabar’s. Thor 88!
>
>>————Reply Separator—————-
>>On 12/23/98 11:33PM, in message
>><[email protected]>, Marc Lemire
>>
>>
>>The use of ‘truth’ must remain unfettered | Peter
>>Stockland
>>
>>The Calgary Herald | December 11, 1998
>>
>>It is alarming enough to hear left-wing nutbars in
>>B.C.’s NDP government
>>want criminal code restictions on the truth.
>>
>>More worrisone still is learning that federal
>>Justice Minister Anne
>>McLellan and her provincial counterparts largely
>>approve the idea.
>>
>>Though little publicized, the country’s justice
>>ministers met in Regina
>>earlier this fall to discuss toughening up criminal
>>laws against hate
>>propaganda.
>>
>>Under urging from B.C. Attorney-General Ujjal
>>Dosanjh and his cadre of
>>social reconstruction bureaucrats, the ministers
>>approved in principle
>>reforms that must raise the neck hair of all
>>concerned about free speech
>>and the free contest of ideas.
>>
>>In fairness, a spokesman for the Alberta justice
>>ministry made clear to me
>>this province is taking careful steps to ensure
>>implementation doesn’t
>>violate fundamental democratic principles.
>>
>>Spokesman Peter Tadman said Justice Minister Jon
>>Havelock signed off on the
>>general proposals, his support is contingent on the
>>details passing full
>>Charter of Rights review.
>>
>>Pierre Gratton, press secretray for McLellan, also
>>stressed the federal
>>justice minister is a year away from introducing
>>legislation reflecting the
>>proposals.
>>
>>However, he added: “The assumption is there is full
>>support to move forward
>>and develop the legislation.”
>>
>>Even that should give serious pause. One troublesome
>>proposal would let
>>police seize computer hard drives suspected of
>>containing hate propaganda.
>>
>>It wouldn’t be necessary to actually disseminate the
>>material. The mere
>>possession of words or images deemed “hateful” could
>>bring Constable
>>Longnose and company battering through the domicile
>>door.
>>
>>Worse, under the reforms, accused hate-mongers would
>>be unable to defend
>>themselves on the basis of sincere belief in the
>>truth of whatever they
>>were allegedly mongering.
>>
>>Gratton said this planned restriction is meant to
>>keep courtrooms from
>>becoming platforms for spouting such things as
>>Holocaust denial.
>>
>>”Figuring out how we’d do that is the work that
>>still has to be done.”
>>
>>It is a delicate business, indeed, and one arguably
>>better left aside in a
>>democratic society.
>>
>>However great and glorious original intention might
>>be, the risk is
>>enormous that government, and the courts through
>>criminal law, will become
>>arbiters of acceptable opinion, adjudicators of
>>history.
>>
>>The consequences are evident from a case in Holland
>>where judges decreed
>>this week that a book publisher will be heavily
>>fined if it prints a tract
>>challenging the authenticity of Anne Frank’s diaries.
>>
>>The screed apparently claims the diaries were
>>written by Frank’s father,
>>not by the young woman who’s a worldwide symbol of
>>Nazi atrocity.
>>
>>The publisher has a reputation for printing
>>Holocaust denial books so the
>>courts ruled the Anne Frank book, is by association,
>>just another in that
>>vein.
>>
>>Now, I cannot understand why anyone would engage in
>>such a spurious pursuit
>>as Holocaust denial. The Holocaust happened. People
>>by the boxcar
>>load–including Anne Frank–suffered and died in
>>circumstances of
>>unimaginable horror.
>>
>>If the devil is in the details of that horror, then
>>those obsessed with
>>finding and contesting them can go to hell as far as
>>I’m concerned. Life is
>>too short, and too precious.
>>
>>Saying that, however, does not mean the state should
>>use criminal sanction
>>to deny the deniers the freedom to hold their fetid
>>versions of the truth.
>>
>>We may all agree that hatred is a contemptible
>>thing. But can we agree, in
>>language precise enough to sustain criminal charges,
>>exactly what
>>constitutes hatred? Is it really a mere demented
>>opinion? Worse, is it
>>simply a point of view we find objectionable?
>>
>>Increasingly, the word *is* being used in this
>>latter sense. Conservatives
>>in all the world’s major faiths are now quite
>>accustomed, for example, to
>>having truth they hold sacred decried as “hatred”
>>when they conflict with
>>late 20th-century amorality.
>>
>>On a more local level, the cartoonist at this
>>newspaper was publicly
>>accused Wednesday of being “hateful” for his lampoon
>>of the tax-funded
>>National Action Committee on the Status of Women.
>>
>>Granted, not even the lunacies cooked up by B.C.’s
>>socialist silly geese
>>would likely land the Herald’s Vance Rodewalt in the
>>hoosegow for his
>>drawings. But the defining down of what constitutes
>>true hatred, and the
>>ubiquity with which the debased term is toosed
>>around, makes any legal
>>restrictions on the use of truth a dangerous path to
>>tread.
>>
>>It is one thing for B.C.-style lefties to skip
>>obliviously along that route
>>since they believe truth is just a social construct
>>anyway. We need only
>>look next door to see the sort of social horror show
>>they yearn to
>>construct.
>>
>>For the rest of us, alarm bells should be ringing.
>>So should the office
>>phone of every justice minister in the land.
>>
>>Stockland can be reached at (403) 235-7562 or
>>E-mail at
>>———
>>—————————————————–
>>——————
>> CANADIAN ASSOCIATION FOR FREE
>>EXPRESSION
>>—————————————————–
>>——————
>> CAFE FREE SPEECH
>>MONITOR NEWSLETTER
>> P.O. Box 332, Stn. “B”
>>$25.00/Year
>> Etobicoke, Ontario
>> M9W 5L3
>>*INTERNET*
>> Telephone: (905) 897-7221
>>[email protected]
>> Fax: (905) 277-3914
>>http://cafe.canadafirst.net
>>—————————————————–
>>——————
>> Proposed Changes to Canada’s so-called
>>”Hate Laws”
>>
>> Get involved now! – SIGN OUR
>>PETITION
>>
>> >>>
>>http://www.canadafirst.net/cafe/proposed_hate_law/ind
>>ex.html <<<
>>
>>
>>The petition and your comments will be presented in
>>*person* to Justice
>>Minister Anne McLellan, Liberal M.P.s, and numerous
>>key opposition
>>M.P.s.!
>>
>>Background:
>>
>>After secret meetings in 1998 Canada’s 10 provincial
>>Attorney Generals
>>and the federal Soliciter General have recommended
>>drafting new laws
>>that would criminalize computer owners, religious
>>groups, conservatives,
>>historians, and anyone who expresses a political
>>opinion. The
>>recommendations are a surrender to minority
>>special-interest groups that
>>have been lobbying for years to restrict
>>free-speech.
>>
>>These proposals would again expand Canada’s
>>notorious “hate law”
>>(Section 319 of the Criminal Code).
>>
>>New laws would:
>>
>>* Give police powers to enter your house, search
>>your computer
>> hard-drive, and then seize the computer if in
>>their opinion it
>> contained “hateful material”!
>>
>>* Add “sexual orientation” to the long list of
>>”special categories”
>> protected under the “hate law”. This would
>>criminalize, for example,
>> any opposition by conservative Christians, Moslems
>>and Jews to the
>> homosexual lifestyle. This ominous expansion of
>>protected groups also
>> seems designed to shield child molesters and
>>pedophiles from ‘hatred
>> or contempt’.
>>
>>* Make possession of alledged “hate” material for
>>distribution a
>> criminal offence. This is aimed at throttling
>>groups opposed to
>> imposed bilingualism, wide open immigration,
>>NAFTA, the New World
>> Order, and the homosexual agenda. The fear of
>>possessing news-letters
>> that could lead to criminal charges would persuade
>>individuals and
>> groups not to organize. This is the same type of
>>intimidation used in
>> pre-1988 Russia to stifle any political dissent.
>>
>>* Overturn laws which our ancestors fought and died
>>to protect by making
>> truth no defence for court-defendants who question
>>historical
>> genocide. As in Russia, this would result in
>>state-sanctioned history.
>> For example if one’s research showed that the
>>government approved
>> figure of 1.5 million Irish victims of the 1848
>>famine was actually
>> closer to 1.3 million, they could be arrested and
>>tried without being
>> allowed to show their evidence in court. Today in
>>repressive regimes
>> like North Korea scholarship and learning stultify
>>as the threat of
>> prison prevents anyone from questioning
>>state-sanctioned history.
>>
>>
>> “God grants liberty only to those
>> who love it, and are always ready
>> to guard and defend it.”
>> – Daniel Webster
>>
>>
>> Concerned? Sign below!
>>
>>The names and comments will be presented to
>>Attorney-General Anne
>>McLellan and to Justice critics of the Progressive
>>Conservative party,
>>Reform party, NDP and the Bloc Quebecois.
>>
>> LET THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT KNOW WHAT YOU THINK
>>OF THIS GROSS
>> INFRINDGEMENT OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH
>>
>>
>>PETITION QUESTION
>>
>> I am appalled by recommendations of your
>>department and the 10
>> provincial Attorney Generals which would
>>criminalize many forms of
>> political dissent and widely held religious
>>views such as
>> opposition to homosexuality.
>>
>> These proposals would remove truth as a
>>defence when questioning
>> historical genocides, and allow police to
>>seize computer
>> hard-drives on suspicion they contain “hateful
>>material”.
In other words any discussion regarding the HOLOHOAX would become
illegal in Canada.
Mind you the atrocities of the JEWS in Palestine, or those they did in
Ukraine would be termed “ethnic cleansing”??
>> We urge you to toss these totalitarian
>>proposals into the waste
>> basket as they are an affront to all Canadians
>>committed to free
>> speech and a disgrace to our nation.
>>http://www.canadafirst.net/cafe/proposed_hate_law/ind
>>ex.html
>>
>>************** PLEASE SEND THIS TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS
>>ALSO, *************
>>*************** AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO SIGN THE
>>PETITION! **************
>> CANADIAN ASSOCIATION FOR FREE
>>EXPRESSION
>>—————————————————–
>>——————
>>CAFE FREE SPEECH
>>MONITOR NEWSLETTER
>>P.O. Box 332, Stn. “B”
>>$25.00/Year Etobicoke,
>>Ontario M9W 5L3
>> *INTERNET*
>>Telephone: (905) 897-7221
>>[email protected] Fax:
>>(905) 277-3914
>>http://cafe.canadafirst.net
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>On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:36 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:42:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>>>gangster!!!
>>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>>>>
>>>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin’s participation in war crimes
>>>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>>>not been used yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook “to
>>>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.” A Signatory may
>>>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>>>
>>>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world’s
>>>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States’ legal obligations to do so.
>>>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>>>
>>>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>>>1977, as ‘grave breaches’, the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>>>prosecute.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>>>
>>>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>>>
>>>>>”1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately.” The order was signed “Yitzhak
>>>>>R[abin].”
>>>>>
>>>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>>>”The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949″ by Israeli
>>>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo’s book “The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland”, Quartet Books,
>>>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>>>
>>>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin’s implication in
>>>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin’s orders. As a prelude to
>>>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile’. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>>>planned ‘transfer’ policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>>>master plan of “ethnical cleansing”.
>>>>>
>>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>>
>>>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as ‘war crimes’.
>>>>>
>>>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>>>> of their Inhabitants
>>>>>
>>>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>>>
>>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>>
>>>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>>>prohibit “at any time and in any place whatsoever….collective
>>>>>punishments”. It seems that the destruction of these villages – every
>>>>>single house in them – constitutes ‘collective punishment’ within the
>>>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>>>> Youngsters
>>>>>
>>>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by “force, might,
>>>>>beatings”. More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>>>
>>>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>>>these practices (i.e. Ha’aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin’s role in these
>>>>>policies.
>>>>>
>>>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) “inhuman treatment….wilfully
>>>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health”. Protocol I
>>>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>>>the acts which remain “prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:”: “Violence to
>>>>>the….physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular….(iii)
>>>>>corporal punishment.”
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>>>> Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>>>
>>>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin’s war:
>>>>>”Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>>>southern Lebanon. (…) Rabin’s War – Operation Accountability – has killed
>>>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>>>Beirut. (…) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(…) About
>>>>>80 villages have been hit.”. According to the London-based Middle East
>>>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the “majority of casualties were
>>>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>>>around 100,000.”
>>>>>
>>>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was “expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon ‘uninhabitable’ and to create a
>>>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel’s will (…)”
>>>>>
>>>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), “some 400,000
>>>>>people – mainly Shi’ite Muslims – fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves”.
>>>>>
>>>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>>>specifies as a ‘grave breach’ (war crime) “making the civilian population
>>>>>or individual civilians the object of attack” as well as “launching an
>>>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects”. Further details are provided
>>>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a ‘grave breach’ of international
>>>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>>>
>>>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>>>
>>>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>>>
>>>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>>>their country’s sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>>>
>>>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>>>of hostilities.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>>>
>>>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mr. Rabin’s Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>>>
>>>>>As to Mr. Rabin’s personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>>>and 1967).
>>>>>
>>>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>>>”to break the bones” of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by “force, might, beatings” and
>>>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel’s Prime
>>>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin’s primary responsibility for this act.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>>>
>>>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>>>described as ‘war crimes’ as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>>>view, only the most outrageous types of ‘war crimes’, as committed in World
>>>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>>>Conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>>>the “deportation … for any … purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>>>occupied territory” as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>>>”deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>>>population….when such acts are done….in connection with any crime
>>>>>against peace or any war crime”, as Crime against Humanity.
>>>>>
>>>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>>>process of law to determine a defendant’s culpability and punishment). The
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes ‘corporal punishment’, although not as
>>>>>a ‘grave breach’. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the ‘grave
>>>>>breaches’ (war crimes), if such attacks were committed “wilfully, in
>>>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>>>serious injury to body or health”.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>>>
>>>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>>>then, state:
>>>>>
>>>>>”The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law”
>>>>>(Principle III. “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him”.
>>>>>(Principle IV).
>>>>>
>>>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>>>such reservations.
>>>>>
>>>>>Conclusion
>>>>>
>>>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>>>short legal discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived – legally – by
>>>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today’s world, it
>>>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>>>circumstances.
>>>>>
>>>>>Human rights’ and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin’s
>>>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>>>found.
>>>>
>>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser
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>On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:36 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:42:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>>>gangster!!!
>>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>>>>
>>>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin’s participation in war crimes
>>>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>>>not been used yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook “to
>>>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.” A Signatory may
>>>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>>>
>>>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world’s
>>>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States’ legal obligations to do so.
>>>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>>>
>>>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>>>1977, as ‘grave breaches’, the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>>>prosecute.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>>>
>>>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>>>
>>>>>”1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately.” The order was signed “Yitzhak
>>>>>R[abin].”
>>>>>
>>>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>>>”The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949″ by Israeli
>>>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo’s book “The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland”, Quartet Books,
>>>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>>>
>>>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin’s implication in
>>>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin’s orders. As a prelude to
>>>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile’. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>>>planned ‘transfer’ policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>>>master plan of “ethnical cleansing”.
>>>>>
>>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>>
>>>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as ‘war crimes’.
>>>>>
>>>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>>>> of their Inhabitants
>>>>>
>>>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>>>
>>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>>
>>>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>>>prohibit “at any time and in any place whatsoever….collective
>>>>>punishments”. It seems that the destruction of these villages – every
>>>>>single house in them – constitutes ‘collective punishment’ within the
>>>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>>>> Youngsters
>>>>>
>>>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by “force, might,
>>>>>beatings”. More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>>>
>>>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>>>these practices (i.e. Ha’aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin’s role in these
>>>>>policies.
>>>>>
>>>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) “inhuman treatment….wilfully
>>>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health”. Protocol I
>>>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>>>the acts which remain “prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:”: “Violence to
>>>>>the….physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular….(iii)
>>>>>corporal punishment.”
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>>>> Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>>>
>>>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin’s war:
>>>>>”Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>>>southern Lebanon. (…) Rabin’s War – Operation Accountability – has killed
>>>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>>>Beirut. (…) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(…) About
>>>>>80 villages have been hit.”. According to the London-based Middle East
>>>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the “majority of casualties were
>>>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>>>around 100,000.”
>>>>>
>>>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was “expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon ‘uninhabitable’ and to create a
>>>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel’s will (…)”
>>>>>
>>>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), “some 400,000
>>>>>people – mainly Shi’ite Muslims – fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves”.
>>>>>
>>>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>>>specifies as a ‘grave breach’ (war crime) “making the civilian population
>>>>>or individual civilians the object of attack” as well as “launching an
>>>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects”. Further details are provided
>>>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a ‘grave breach’ of international
>>>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>>>
>>>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>>>
>>>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>>>
>>>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>>>their country’s sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>>>
>>>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>>>of hostilities.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>>>
>>>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mr. Rabin’s Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>>>
>>>>>As to Mr. Rabin’s personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>>>and 1967).
>>>>>
>>>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>>>”to break the bones” of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by “force, might, beatings” and
>>>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel’s Prime
>>>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin’s primary responsibility for this act.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>>>
>>>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>>>described as ‘war crimes’ as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>>>view, only the most outrageous types of ‘war crimes’, as committed in World
>>>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>>>Conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>>>the “deportation … for any … purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>>>occupied territory” as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>>>”deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>>>population….when such acts are done….in connection with any crime
>>>>>against peace or any war crime”, as Crime against Humanity.
>>>>>
>>>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>>>process of law to determine a defendant’s culpability and punishment). The
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes ‘corporal punishment’, although not as
>>>>>a ‘grave breach’. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the ‘grave
>>>>>breaches’ (war crimes), if such attacks were committed “wilfully, in
>>>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>>>serious injury to body or health”.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>>>
>>>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>>>then, state:
>>>>>
>>>>>”The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law”
>>>>>(Principle III. “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him”.
>>>>>(Principle IV).
>>>>>
>>>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>>>such reservations.
>>>>>
>>>>>Conclusion
>>>>>
>>>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>>>short legal discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived – legally – by
>>>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today’s world, it
>>>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>>>circumstances.
>>>>>
>>>>>Human rights’ and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin’s
>>>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>>>found.
>>>>
>>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser
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On Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:31:29 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:57:37 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2
>>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.
>>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>>sensitive site.
>>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>>groups.
>>>
>>>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests and must be resolved as
>>>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are beginning to be perceived
>>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,” she added.
>>>
>>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>>site inevitable.
>>>
>>>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>>>
>>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site.
>>>
>>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex.
>>>
>>>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>>>
>>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar.
>>>
>>>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>>and nationalists.
>>>
>>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>>forgotten.
>>>
>>>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>>be removed.
>>>>
>>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated.
>>>>
>>>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the answer but the cross, all
>>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>>the-scene discussion.”
>>>>
>>>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, “But I don’t see any
>>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>>the moment.”
>>>
>>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>>>
>>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>>>
>>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>>international funding, are on hold.
>>>
>>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently.
>>>
>>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the “Judenrampe,” the
>>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign.
>>>
>>>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>>concrete, the crematories.”
>>>
>>>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda.
>>>
>>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,” wiping out most of
>>>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>>>
>>>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>>>
>>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>>>
>>>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland’s tiny
>>>>Jewish community.
>>>
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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach
>wrote:
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world’s sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>> NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON’T ADD UP
>>
>> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted “to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine.”
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>> With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust “survivors” had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real “bible”, The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>> The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death “in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as “gospel truth”.
>> It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>”extermination camp”.
>>
>> HIMMLER-“REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”
>>
>> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that “The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” (Source,
>>Reitlinger’s book, “The Final Solution.”)
>> The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler’s
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, “Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates.” (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the “shockingly high mortality figures.” (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”
>> With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>”Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals”. It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>> THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, “Books and Bookmen”, April 1975, page 5,
>>”No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.”
>> The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>> This brings up the following questions.
>> 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>> 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>> 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>> 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, “The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them.” (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>> FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>> Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such “confessions” are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the “Confession’ and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>> Hoess statement read, “half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking.”
>> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not “ventable”. The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber “eating and smoking” – without
>>gas masks – only minutes after the gassing – IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>> GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, “The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann” pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>”became immediately gaseous.”
>> The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: “We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air.”
>>
>> CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), “We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped.” If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>> THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT’S ALL! In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18′ doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>> A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer’s book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich.” It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company’s ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>> “The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning.”
>> WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people – this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>> It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was “taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!”
>>
>> WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. “It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps.”
>> Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: “I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.”
>> Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>”The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie – the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time.”
>> Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. “The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.”
>>
>> WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, “Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists.”
>> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, “The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews.”
>> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: “The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews.”
>> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being “anti-Semitic” and “insensitive” to holocaust
>>victims.
>> The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>> A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>> The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don’t use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>> HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.
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Subject: Jews in white sex slave trade against Slavic women pt.1
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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:54:40 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>On Sat, 09 May 1998 04:22:46 GMT, [email protected] (Lenny)
>wrote:
>>On Fri, 8 May 1998 18:51:08 -0400, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
>>
>>>On Mon, 4 May 1998, irgun1943 wrote:
>>>> Dear Sir,
>>>> I sympathize with people being forced into prostitution.
>>>> However, your intent is to promote hatred of israel and the Jewish
>>>> people.
>>>> No one wants your women. No one needs your women.
>>>> They come illegally into Israel.
>>>> Why not whore for the Germans? Ukrainians are good at that.
>>>> irgun43
>>> Despite your professed sympathies, the rest of your statements don’t
>>> stand scrutiny. These women are imported illegaly into Israel because
>>> there is obviously a demand, market, there for young slavic shikse.
>>> There would not be the trafficking, if there were no demand.
>
>>> “They come illegally …” Well it appears that many arrive quite legally
>>> on promises/expectations of other work. Others are brought in, imported,
>>> illegaly.
>
>>> Israel is a country in which there are no laws prohibiting the buying
>>> and selling of human beings as merchandise.
>>> Also prostitution is legal in Israel, and although brothels are
>>> illegal, this law seems to be more honoured in the breach.
>>> The article did not single out Israel, however whereas in other countries
>>> these things are at least illegal, that doesn’t appear to be the case
>>> in Israel.
>>> Your last sentence is definitely a statement intended to promote hatred.
>
>> The jews have a long history in slave trading. They financed and
>>promoted the slavery of the negroes, which is now resulting in the
>>racial mess we now have in America. *( For info on the jewish
>>involvement in the negro slave trade go to the following web site
>>http://www.tiac.net/users/lhl/Jews_and_Slavery.html
>> Now the jews are turning their hooked noses toward the white Eastern
>>European women, it is no wonder , these parasites of humanity abused
>>these people under communism now they abuse them sexually. It is the
>>nature of these people to destroy, like a parasite destroys it’s host.
>> May the white people of the world wake up before it’s too late!
>
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On Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:31:29 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:57:37 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2
>>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.
>>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>>sensitive site.
>>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>>groups.
>>>
>>>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests and must be resolved as
>>>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are beginning to be perceived
>>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,” she added.
>>>
>>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>>site inevitable.
>>>
>>>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>>>
>>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site.
>>>
>>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex.
>>>
>>>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>>>
>>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar.
>>>
>>>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>>and nationalists.
>>>
>>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>>forgotten.
>>>
>>>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>>be removed.
>>>>
>>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated.
>>>>
>>>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the answer but the cross, all
>>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>>the-scene discussion.”
>>>>
>>>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, “But I don’t see any
>>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>>the moment.”
>>>
>>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>>>
>>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>>>
>>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>>international funding, are on hold.
>>>
>>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently.
>>>
>>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the “Judenrampe,” the
>>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign.
>>>
>>>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>>concrete, the crematories.”
>>>
>>>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda.
>>>
>>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,” wiping out most of
>>>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>>>
>>>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>>>
>>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>>>
>>>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland’s tiny
>>>>Jewish community.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:36 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:42:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>>>gangster!!!
>>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>>>>
>>>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin’s participation in war crimes
>>>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>>>not been used yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook “to
>>>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.” A Signatory may
>>>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>>>
>>>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world’s
>>>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States’ legal obligations to do so.
>>>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>>>
>>>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>>>1977, as ‘grave breaches’, the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>>>prosecute.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>>>
>>>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>>>
>>>>>”1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately.” The order was signed “Yitzhak
>>>>>R[abin].”
>>>>>
>>>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>>>”The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949″ by Israeli
>>>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo’s book “The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland”, Quartet Books,
>>>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>>>
>>>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin’s implication in
>>>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin’s orders. As a prelude to
>>>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile’. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>>>planned ‘transfer’ policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>>>master plan of “ethnical cleansing”.
>>>>>
>>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>>
>>>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as ‘war crimes’.
>>>>>
>>>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>>>> of their Inhabitants
>>>>>
>>>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>>>
>>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>>
>>>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>>>prohibit “at any time and in any place whatsoever….collective
>>>>>punishments”. It seems that the destruction of these villages – every
>>>>>single house in them – constitutes ‘collective punishment’ within the
>>>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>>>> Youngsters
>>>>>
>>>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by “force, might,
>>>>>beatings”. More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>>>
>>>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>>>these practices (i.e. Ha’aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin’s role in these
>>>>>policies.
>>>>>
>>>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) “inhuman treatment….wilfully
>>>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health”. Protocol I
>>>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>>>the acts which remain “prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:”: “Violence to
>>>>>the….physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular….(iii)
>>>>>corporal punishment.”
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>>>> Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>>>
>>>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin’s war:
>>>>>”Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>>>southern Lebanon. (…) Rabin’s War – Operation Accountability – has killed
>>>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>>>Beirut. (…) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(…) About
>>>>>80 villages have been hit.”. According to the London-based Middle East
>>>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the “majority of casualties were
>>>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>>>around 100,000.”
>>>>>
>>>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was “expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon ‘uninhabitable’ and to create a
>>>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel’s will (…)”
>>>>>
>>>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), “some 400,000
>>>>>people – mainly Shi’ite Muslims – fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves”.
>>>>>
>>>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>>>specifies as a ‘grave breach’ (war crime) “making the civilian population
>>>>>or individual civilians the object of attack” as well as “launching an
>>>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects”. Further details are provided
>>>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a ‘grave breach’ of international
>>>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>>>
>>>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>>>
>>>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>>>
>>>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>>>their country’s sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>>>
>>>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>>>of hostilities.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>>>
>>>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mr. Rabin’s Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>>>
>>>>>As to Mr. Rabin’s personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>>>and 1967).
>>>>>
>>>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>>>”to break the bones” of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by “force, might, beatings” and
>>>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel’s Prime
>>>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin’s primary responsibility for this act.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>>>
>>>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>>>described as ‘war crimes’ as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>>>view, only the most outrageous types of ‘war crimes’, as committed in World
>>>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>>>Conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>>>the “deportation … for any … purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>>>occupied territory” as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>>>”deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>>>population….when such acts are done….in connection with any crime
>>>>>against peace or any war crime”, as Crime against Humanity.
>>>>>
>>>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>>>process of law to determine a defendant’s culpability and punishment). The
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes ‘corporal punishment’, although not as
>>>>>a ‘grave breach’. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the ‘grave
>>>>>breaches’ (war crimes), if such attacks were committed “wilfully, in
>>>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>>>serious injury to body or health”.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>>>
>>>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>>>then, state:
>>>>>
>>>>>”The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law”
>>>>>(Principle III. “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him”.
>>>>>(Principle IV).
>>>>>
>>>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>>>such reservations.
>>>>>
>>>>>Conclusion
>>>>>
>>>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>>>short legal discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived – legally – by
>>>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today’s world, it
>>>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>>>circumstances.
>>>>>
>>>>>Human rights’ and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin’s
>>>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>>>found.
>>>>
>>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser
