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>On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:36 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:42:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>>>gangster!!!
>>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>>>>
>>>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin’s participation in war crimes
>>>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>>>not been used yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook “to
>>>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.” A Signatory may
>>>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>>>
>>>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world’s
>>>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States’ legal obligations to do so.
>>>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>>>
>>>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>>>1977, as ‘grave breaches’, the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>>>prosecute.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>>>
>>>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>>>
>>>>>”1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately.” The order was signed “Yitzhak
>>>>>R[abin].”
>>>>>
>>>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>>>”The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949″ by Israeli
>>>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo’s book “The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland”, Quartet Books,
>>>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>>>
>>>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin’s implication in
>>>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin’s orders. As a prelude to
>>>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile’. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>>>planned ‘transfer’ policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>>>master plan of “ethnical cleansing”.
>>>>>
>>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>>
>>>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as ‘war crimes’.
>>>>>
>>>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>>>> of their Inhabitants
>>>>>
>>>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>>>
>>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>>
>>>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>>>prohibit “at any time and in any place whatsoever….collective
>>>>>punishments”. It seems that the destruction of these villages – every
>>>>>single house in them – constitutes ‘collective punishment’ within the
>>>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>>>> Youngsters
>>>>>
>>>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by “force, might,
>>>>>beatings”. More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>>>
>>>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>>>these practices (i.e. Ha’aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin’s role in these
>>>>>policies.
>>>>>
>>>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) “inhuman treatment….wilfully
>>>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health”. Protocol I
>>>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>>>the acts which remain “prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:”: “Violence to
>>>>>the….physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular….(iii)
>>>>>corporal punishment.”
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>>>> Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>>>
>>>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin’s war:
>>>>>”Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>>>southern Lebanon. (…) Rabin’s War – Operation Accountability – has killed
>>>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>>>Beirut. (…) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(…) About
>>>>>80 villages have been hit.”. According to the London-based Middle East
>>>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the “majority of casualties were
>>>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>>>around 100,000.”
>>>>>
>>>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was “expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon ‘uninhabitable’ and to create a
>>>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel’s will (…)”
>>>>>
>>>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), “some 400,000
>>>>>people – mainly Shi’ite Muslims – fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves”.
>>>>>
>>>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>>>specifies as a ‘grave breach’ (war crime) “making the civilian population
>>>>>or individual civilians the object of attack” as well as “launching an
>>>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects”. Further details are provided
>>>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a ‘grave breach’ of international
>>>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>>>
>>>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>>>
>>>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>>>
>>>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>>>their country’s sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>>>
>>>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>>>of hostilities.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>>>
>>>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mr. Rabin’s Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>>>
>>>>>As to Mr. Rabin’s personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>>>and 1967).
>>>>>
>>>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>>>”to break the bones” of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by “force, might, beatings” and
>>>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel’s Prime
>>>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin’s primary responsibility for this act.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>>>
>>>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>>>described as ‘war crimes’ as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>>>view, only the most outrageous types of ‘war crimes’, as committed in World
>>>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>>>Conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>>>the “deportation … for any … purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>>>occupied territory” as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>>>”deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>>>population….when such acts are done….in connection with any crime
>>>>>against peace or any war crime”, as Crime against Humanity.
>>>>>
>>>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>>>process of law to determine a defendant’s culpability and punishment). The
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes ‘corporal punishment’, although not as
>>>>>a ‘grave breach’. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the ‘grave
>>>>>breaches’ (war crimes), if such attacks were committed “wilfully, in
>>>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>>>serious injury to body or health”.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>>>
>>>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>>>then, state:
>>>>>
>>>>>”The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law”
>>>>>(Principle III. “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him”.
>>>>>(Principle IV).
>>>>>
>>>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>>>such reservations.
>>>>>
>>>>>Conclusion
>>>>>
>>>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>>>short legal discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived – legally – by
>>>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today’s world, it
>>>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>>>circumstances.
>>>>>
>>>>>Human rights’ and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin’s
>>>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>>>found.
>>>>
>>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser
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On 24 Dec 1998 21:21:32 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
Jews forging articles, as usual, wanted wo repeat the records from
history, about the JEWS/KGB and their murders of the Polish officers
at Katyn:
25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
the anti-Germans.
Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
Oswiecim?
On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>Igal wrote:
>
>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>W.W.II.
>>
>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>purposes.
>>
>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>
>Igal,
>I think you are wrong.
>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>
>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>
>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>such arguments.
>
>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>
>(…)
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On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:36 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:16:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>>gangster!!!
>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>>>
>>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin’s participation in war crimes
>>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>>not been used yet.
>>>>
>>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook “to
>>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.” A Signatory may
>>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>>
>>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world’s
>>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States’ legal obligations to do so.
>>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>>
>>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>>
>>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>>1977, as ‘grave breaches’, the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>>prosecute.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>>
>>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>>
>>>>”1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately.” The order was signed “Yitzhak
>>>>R[abin].”
>>>>
>>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>>”The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949″ by Israeli
>>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo’s book “The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland”, Quartet Books,
>>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>>
>>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin’s implication in
>>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin’s orders. As a prelude to
>>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile’. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>>planned ‘transfer’ policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>>master plan of “ethnical cleansing”.
>>>>
>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>
>>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as ‘war crimes’.
>>>>
>>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>>> of their Inhabitants
>>>>
>>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>>
>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>
>>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>>prohibit “at any time and in any place whatsoever….collective
>>>>punishments”. It seems that the destruction of these villages – every
>>>>single house in them – constitutes ‘collective punishment’ within the
>>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>>> Youngsters
>>>>
>>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by “force, might,
>>>>beatings”. More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>>
>>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>>these practices (i.e. Ha’aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin’s role in these
>>>>policies.
>>>>
>>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) “inhuman treatment….wilfully
>>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health”. Protocol I
>>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>>the acts which remain “prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:”: “Violence to
>>>>the….physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular….(iii)
>>>>corporal punishment.”
>>>>
>>>> 4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>>> Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>>
>>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin’s war:
>>>>”Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>>southern Lebanon. (…) Rabin’s War – Operation Accountability – has killed
>>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>>Beirut. (…) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(…) About
>>>>80 villages have been hit.”. According to the London-based Middle East
>>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the “majority of casualties were
>>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>>around 100,000.”
>>>>
>>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was “expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon ‘uninhabitable’ and to create a
>>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel’s will (…)”
>>>>
>>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), “some 400,000
>>>>people – mainly Shi’ite Muslims – fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves”.
>>>>
>>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>>specifies as a ‘grave breach’ (war crime) “making the civilian population
>>>>or individual civilians the object of attack” as well as “launching an
>>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects”. Further details are provided
>>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a ‘grave breach’ of international
>>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>>
>>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>>
>>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>>
>>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>>their country’s sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>>
>>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>>
>>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>>of hostilities.
>>>>
>>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>>
>>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>>
>>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>>
>>>>Mr. Rabin’s Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>>
>>>>As to Mr. Rabin’s personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>>and 1967).
>>>>
>>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>>”to break the bones” of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by “force, might, beatings” and
>>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>>
>>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel’s Prime
>>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin’s primary responsibility for this act.
>>>>
>>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>>
>>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>>described as ‘war crimes’ as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>>view, only the most outrageous types of ‘war crimes’, as committed in World
>>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>>Conventions.
>>>>
>>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>>the “deportation … for any … purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>>occupied territory” as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>>”deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>>population….when such acts are done….in connection with any crime
>>>>against peace or any war crime”, as Crime against Humanity.
>>>>
>>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>>process of law to determine a defendant’s culpability and punishment). The
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes ‘corporal punishment’, although not as
>>>>a ‘grave breach’. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>>
>>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the ‘grave
>>>>breaches’ (war crimes), if such attacks were committed “wilfully, in
>>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>>serious injury to body or health”.
>>>>
>>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>>
>>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>>then, state:
>>>>
>>>>”The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law”
>>>>(Principle III. “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him”.
>>>>(Principle IV).
>>>>
>>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>>such reservations.
>>>>
>>>>Conclusion
>>>>
>>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>>short legal discussion.
>>>>
>>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived – legally – by
>>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today’s world, it
>>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>>circumstances.
>>>>
>>>>Human rights’ and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin’s
>>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>>found.
>>>
>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser
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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments.
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>>
>>(…)
>>
>>………………………………………
>>
>>
>> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:00:29 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:23:16 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Thu, 02 Oct 1997 02:44:25 GMT, [email protected] (Doc
>>Tavish II) wrote:
>>>Well I’ll declare; another EDU web site and it has material on
>>>Communists and who they were!
>>>Look:
>>>Originally named Lev Davidovich Bronstein, Trotsky was born on
>>>November 7, 1879, in Kherson Province in Ukraine, the son of Russified
>>>Jews. He was educated in Odessa and in Mykolayiv and was a star pupil
>>>with enormous intellectual capabilities.
>>>
>>>Trotsky’s political involvement began in 1896 in a circle of Mykolayiv
>>>Populists, but he soon converted to Marxism. After a brief stay at
>>>Odessa University, he returned to Mykolayiv in 1897 to organize the
>>>Southern Russian Workers Union. For this he was arrested, jailed, and
>>>exiled. He escaped from Siberian exile in 1902, fleeing to Europe and
>>>adopting the pseudonym Trotsky. Abroad he joined Lenin, L. Martov,
>>>Georgy Plekhanov, and other Russian Social-Democrats, who were
>>>publishing Iskra (The Spark). By vitue of his flair for polemic
>>>writing and oratorical brilliance, he quickly rose in the party.
>>>
>>>At the party’s Second Congress in 1903 Trotsky opposed Lenin and the
>>>Bolsheviks, siding with the Mensheviks. His characteristic
>>>independence, however, kept him from cementing any organizational
>>>ties. Alone of the major party leaders, he rushed back to Russia to be
>>>an active participant in the 1905 Revolution, where he gained
>>>practical experience as chairman of the Saint Petersburg Soviet of
>>>Workers Deputies. Jailed in December 1905 and later exiled to Siberia,
>>>Trotsky used his time to reconsider the paradoxes of revolution in
>>>backward Russia. He synthesized his thoughts in two books, 1905 and
>>>Results and Prospects.
>>>
>>>Escaping from Siberia in 1907, Trotsky spent the next decade defending
>>>his ideas and engaging in émigré squabbling. The March Revolution of
>>>1917 caught him by surprise in New York City, where he wrote for a
>>>Russian newspaper. Trotsky reached Russia in May, quickly assumed
>>>leadership of the independent left Social-Democratic Interdistrict
>>>Group, and joined the Petrograd (as St. Petersburg was renamed)
>>>Soviet. Within weeks, he had gained enormous popularity as the most
>>>eloquent agitator of the Soviet left. In July, after being courted by
>>>Lenin, he joined the Bolshevik party and was elected to its Central
>>>Committee.
>>>
>>>As a Bolshevik, Trotsky was elected chairman of the Soviet in
>>>September. He sided with Lenin on the need to overthrow the
>>>provisional government and devoted all his energies to marshaling
>>>support for the armed uprising of the Bolsheviks. With Lenin in
>>>hiding, Trotsky was the general in charge, and he successfully
>>>directed the masses of workers and soldiers in the November
>>>revolution……
>>>
>>>Above found at:
>>>http://www.idbsu.edu/surveyrc/Staff/jaynes/marxism/bios/trotsky.htm
>>>
>>>Let’s review: Trotsky was a Jew actually named Bronstein, he was in
>>>New York City for a while and he was elected chairman of the Soviet!
>>>
>>>Does this make sense now? Soviets were Jews?
>>>
>>>From Lucy Dawidowicz’s book The War Against the Jews 1933-1945 by
>>>Bantam #13084-6 says on page 377: “Exploiting the superstitious
>>>anti-Semitic prejudices of the Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians
>>>and activating their accumulated hatred for the Soviets, the Germans
>>>harnessed the violent energies of these willing collaborates to round
>>>up and kill Jews.”
>>>
>>>I now ask: “How could the Ukrainians have been anti-Semitic toward the
>>>Soviets, if the Soviets weren’t in fact Jews? Because the Soviet Union
>>>was a Jewish conceived and run totalitarian state!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Link to UK site on Russian Revolution:
>>>
>>>http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/russ/rusrev.html
>>>
>>>Try also:
>>>
>>>http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/Archive/1930-HRR/
>>>
>>>More on Leo Bronstein (I mean Trotsky!)
>>>Try:
>>>http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/
>>>
>>>which states:
>>>
>>>”Lev Davidovich Bronstein. Leader of the Russian Revolution. Architect
>>>of the Red Army. Commissar of foreign affairs between 1917-1924.”
>>>Let’s see ol’ Bronstein was the Leader of the Revolution and the
>>>Architect of the Red Army too!
>>>
>>>The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia stated:
>>>
>>>”Whatever the racial antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet
>>>commissariats were largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in
>>>the Communist movement was well understood in Russia. The White Armies
>>>which opposed the Bolshevik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks as
>>>common enemies” (Univ. Jew Encyc., Vol. I, p. 336).
>>>
>>>Consider this:
>>>
>>>Among the Jews who remained in Russia, which then included Lithuania,
>>>Ukraine (A History of Ukraine, Michael Hrushevsky, Yale University
>>>Press, 1941, passim), and much of Poland, were the founders of the
>>>Russian Bolshevik party.
>>>
>>>In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland
>>>and Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large
>>>scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article
>>>on “Communism” by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp
>>>824-827).
>>>
>>>Look the United States Governmet has now at its Library of Congress
>>>the Soviet Exhibit that I posted recently!
>>>
>>>Here is the link:
>>>
>>>http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Experimental/soviet.exhibit/soviet.archive.html
>>>
>>>You will run across this:
>>>
>>>Welcome to the Library of Congress’s Soviet Archives exhibit.
>>>
>>>I could not find, however, the exhibit in the Library of Congress’
>>>Soviet Archives that Sunsite showed:
>>>
>>>http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/soviet.archive.html
>>>
>>>Once there try all “exhibits” but if you really want an eye-opener try
>>>this exhibit:
>>>
>>>http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/jac.html
>>>
>>>You will see as an opener the following:
>>>
>>>”The Jewish Antifascist Committee (JAC) was formed in Kuibyshev in
>>>April 1942. Two Polish Jewish socialists, Henryk Erlich and Viktor
>>>Alter (both of whom were later secretly executed), may have proposed
>>>the idea to Lavrenti Beria, the head of the NKVD. The organization was
>>>meant to serve the interests of Soviet foreign policy and the Soviet
>>>military through media propaganda — as well as through personal
>>>contacts with Jews abroad, especially in Britain and the United
>>>States, designed to influence public opinion and enlist foreign
>>>support for the Soviet war effort.
>>>
>>>The chairman of the JAC was Solomon Mikhoels, a famous actor and
>>>director of the Moscow Yiddish State Theater. Shakne Epshtein, a
>>>Yiddish journalist, was the secretary and editor of the JAC’s
>>>newspaper, Einikait (Unity). Other prominent JAC members were the
>>>poet Itsik Feffer, a former member of the Bund (a Jewish socialist
>>>movement that existed from 1897 to 1921 and supported the Mensheviks
>>>[see below for more on the Bund]), the writer Il’ia Ehrenburg,
>>>General Aaron Katz of the Stalin Military Academy, and Boris
>>>Shimelovich, the chief surgeon of the Red Army, as well as some
>>>non-Jews from the arts, sciences, and the military.
>>>
>>>A year after its establishment, the JAC was moved to Moscow and
>>>became one of the most important centers of Jewish culture and
>>>Yiddish literature until the German invasion. The JAC broadcast
>>>pro-Soviet propaganda to foreign audiences several times a week,
>>>telling them of the absence of anti-Semitism and of the great
>>>anti-Nazi efforts being made by the Soviet military…..”
>>>
>>>Footnote:
>>>
>>>The BUND:
>>>
>>>In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish
>>>workers in Poland and Lithuania. . . They engaged in
>>>revolutionary activity upon a large scale, and their
>>>energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article
>>>on “Communism” by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol.
>>>III, pp 824-827).
>>>
>>>In Russia and abroad in the late nineteenth century,
>>>not only Bundists but other Khazar Jews had been
>>>attracted to the writings of Karl Marx (1818-1883),
>>>partly, it seems, because he was Jewish in origin.
>>>”On both paternal and maternal sides Karl Marx was
>>>descended from rabbinical families” (Univ. Jew.
>>>Encyc., Vol.VII, p. 289).
>>>
>>>Under Nicholas II, there was no abatement of the
>>>regulations designed, after the murder of Alexander II,
>>>To curb the anti-government activities of Jews;
>>>consequently, the ” reaction to those excesses was
>>>Jewish support of the Bolsheviks. . .”(Univ. Jew. Encyc.,
>>>Vol. I, p. 286.) The way to such support was easy since
>>>the predecessor organization of Russian Communism was the
>>>Jewish “Bund.”
>>>
>>>—————————————————————–
>>>
>>>Maybe the JOG censored it.
>>>
>>> Doc Tavish Reporting on the spot.
>>> I will find all credible sites
>>> that prove Communism was/is Jewish!
>>> Till the next installment!
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Subject: Jewpolice zyd. Ordnungdienst-JEWS HELPED NAZIS!!!
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:33:28 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:44:20 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>Another significant article that merits discussion!!!
>>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:15:13 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>>
>>>dddddddddd
>>>below, Hermie’s cyberthrash
>>>————-
>>>md
>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>> PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>>
>>>> More Pawlikowski apologies for Nazi behavior!
>>>> > ============
>>>> > Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>>>> > Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>>>> > the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>>>> > occupation of Poland. The only reason for this question at this time
>>>> > seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered. Provacatively, Dr.
>>>> > Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>>>> > draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>>>> > after the war? Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>>>> > why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>>>> >
>>>> > Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres.
>>>> > Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>>>> > hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>>>> > grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk). He admitted
>>>> > that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem. However,
>>>> > young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>>>> > afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>>>> > find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>>>> > presently in Lithuania.
>>>> >
>>>> > But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>>>> > occupation was dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>>>> > were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei.
>>>> > They were ususally not armed,
>>>>
>>>> Pawlikowski will have you believe that the German occupation police in
>>>> Minsk were unarmed!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> > and when armed never given more than five
>>>> > bullets for their long rifles. Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>>>> > (as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>>>> > each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>>>> > the genocide.
>>>>
>>>> Hardly truth to Pawlikowski’s story too.
>>>>
>>>> > On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>>>> > service was completely voluntary. It was called Ordnungdienst. Their
>>>> > emblem was a light alloy Star of David. The social background of these
>>>> > Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>>>> > post-graduate degrees, 60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>>>> > education. These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>>>> >
>>>> > But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>>>> > Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>>>> > of his book. In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>>>> > journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>>>> > from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>>>> > closed.
>>>>
>>>> The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>>>> longer or die now!
>>>>
>>>> Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>>>> ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next “relocation”!
>>>> > While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>>>> > intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>>>> >
>>>> > Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>>>> > description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>>>> > Lodz. German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>>>> > Wisenthal Museum in LA. Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>>>> > three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>>>> > Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>>>> > the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>>>> >
>>>> > ————-
>>>> > Jozef Pawlikowski
>>>> >
>>>> > We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>>>> > graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki. We found
>>>> > ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>>>> > dozens of other places. Why you shrink from searching for your
>>>> > ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>>>> >
>>>> Does there any normal healthy human being want to see the corpses of
>>>> your loved ones excavated? Maybe Pawlikowski would enjoy watching the
>>>> bones of his or her mother exhumed to count the bones as they demand of
>>>> other people.
>>>>
>>>> Herman
>>>> > ————
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On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:10:10 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:15:39 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>http://www.villagevoice.com/ink/news/21friedman.shtml
>>The Village Voice
>>22May98
>>The Most Dangerous Mobster in the World
>>According to the FBI and Israeli Intelligence, Semion Mogilevich Rules
>>Over an Arms-Trafficking, Money-Laundering, Drug-Running, and
>>Art-Smuggling ‘Red Mafia’
>>by Robert I. Friedman
>>In two posh villas outside the small town of Ricany, near Prague, one
>>of the most dreaded mob families in the world savagely murders its
>>terrified victims. The mob’s young enforcers, trained by veterans of
>>the Afghanistan war, are infamous for their extreme brutality. Their
>>quarry, usually businessmen who have balked at extortion demands, are
>>repeatedly stabbed and tortured, then mutilated before they are
>>butchered. The carnage is so hideous that it has scared the daylights
>>out of competing crime groups in the area.
>
>>The torture chambers are run by what international police officials call
>>the Red Mafia, a notorious Russian mob family that in onlysix years has
>>become a nefarious global crime cartel. Based in Budapest, it haskey
>>centers in New York, Pennsylvania, Southern California, and as far away
>>as New Zealand.
>
>>The enigmatic leader of the Red Mafia is a 52-year-old Ukrainian-born
>>JEW named Semion Mogilevich. He is a shadowy figure known as the
>>”Brainy Don”–he holds an economics degree from the University of
>>Lvov–and until now, he has never been exposed by the media. But the
>>Voice has obtained hundreds of pages of classified FBI and Israeli
>>intelligence documents from August 1996, and these documents–as well
>>as recent interviews with a key criminal associate and with dozens of
>>law enforcement sources here and abroad–describe him as someone who
>>has become a grave threat to the stability of Israel and Eastern Europe.
>
>>”He’s the most powerful mobster in the world,” crows Monya Elson, who
>>is listed in classified documents as one of Mogilevich’s closest
>>associates and partners in prostitution and money laundering rings. The
>>Brighton Beach-based Elson, who once led a pack of thugs and killers
>>known as Monya’s Brigada, is currently in the Metropolitan Correctional
>>Center in lower Manhattan awaiting trial for three murders and numerous
>>extortions.
>
>>In July 1993, after Elson was grievously wounded by rival mobsters in a
>>bloody shoot-out outside his Brooklyn apartment building, Mogilevich
>>spirited him out of the country. Mogilevich then set up his Russian
>>Jewish refugee friend in an alleged massive money-laundering scheme in
>>Fano, Italy, where he was eventually arrested and extradited back to
>>America. Elson, an integral part of the Red Mafia, had been one of the
>>most feared mobsters in Brighton Beach, ground zero for Russian
>>organized crime in America, which has exploded here following
>>perestroika.
>
>>”If I tell on Mogilevich, Interpol will give me $20 million,” boasted
>>Elson. ”I lived with him. I’m his partner, don’t forget. We are very,
>>very close friends. I don’t mean close, I mean very, very close. He’s my
>>best friend.” Nevertheless, after extensive interviews over the course
>>of the last six months, Elson ultimately confirmed some of the details
>>about Mogilevich contained in the classified FBI and Israeli documents.
>
>>Allegations of Mogilevich’s devilish array of criminal activities are
>>extensively detailed in the reports:The FBI and Israeli intelligence
>>assert that he traffics in nuclear materials, drugs, prostitutes,
>>precious gems, and stolen art. His contract hit squads operate in the
>>U.S. and Europe. He controls everything that goes in and out of Moscow’s
>>Sheremetyevo International Airport, a ”smugglers’ paradise,” says
>>Elson. Mogilevich bought a bankrupt airline in a former Central Asian
>>Soviet republic for millions of dollars in cash so he could haul heroin
>>out of the Golden Triangle. Most worrisome to U.S. authorities is
>>Mogilevich’s apparently legal purchase of virtually the entire Hungarian
>>armaments industry, jeopardizing regional security, NATO, and the war
>>against terrorism.
>
>>In one typical criminal deal, Mogilevich and two Moscow-based gangsters
>>sold $20 million worth of pilfered Warsaw Pact weapons from East
>>Germany, including ground-to-air missiles and 12 armored troop
>>carriers, according to the classified Israeli and FBI documents. The
>>buyer was Iran, says a top-level U.S. Customs official who requested
>>anonymity.
>
>>In another deal, an FBI informant told the bureau that one of
>>Mogilevich’s chief lieutenants in Los Angeles met two Russians from New
>>York City with Genovese crime family ties to broker a scheme to dump
>>American toxic waste in Russia. Mogilevich’s man from L.A. said the Red
>>Mafia would dispose of the toxic waste in the Chernobyl region,
>>”probably through payoffs to the decontamination authorities there,”
>>says a classified FBI report.
>
>>Mogilevich is particularly intrigued by art fraud. In early 1993, he
>>reached an agreement with the leaders of the powerful Solntsevskaya
>>crime family in Moscow to invest huge sums of money in a joint venture:
>>acquiring a jewelry business in Moscow and Budapest. The business,
>>according to classified FBI documents, was to serve as a front for the
>>acquisition of jewelry, antiques, and art, which the Solntsevskaya mob
>>had stolen from churches and museums in Russia, including the Hermitage
>>in St. Petersburg. The gangsters also robbed the homes of art
>>collectors and even broke into synagogues in Germany and Eastern Europe
>>to steal rare religious books and Torahs.
>
>>Mogilevich’s operation, again in collusion with the Solntsevskaya mob,
>>also purchased a large jewelry factory in Budapest. Russian antiques,
>>such as Faberge eggs, are sent to Budapest for ”restoration.”
>>Mogilevich’s men ship the genuine Faberge eggs to an unwitting
>>Sotheby’s auction house in London for sale, then send fake Faberge eggs
>>as well as other ”restored” objects back to Moscow.
>
>>MOGILEVICH’S EARLY years are murky. Soviet authorities first learned of
>>his criminal activities in the 1970s, when he was a member of the
>>Liubertskaya crime group that operated in the Moscow suburb of the same
>>name. He was involved in petty thefts and counterfeiting.
>
>>But Mogilevich made his first millions fleecing fellow Jews. In the mid
>>1980s, when tens of thousands of Jewish refugees were hurriedly
>>immigrating to Israel and America, Mogilevich made deals to buy their
>>assets–rubles, furniture, and art–cheaply, promising to exchange the
>>goods for fair market value and send refugees the proceeds in ”hard”
>>currency. Instead, he sold their valuables and pocketed the considerable
>>profits.
>
>>In the 1980s, he established a petroleum import-export company, Arbat
>>International, and registered it in Alderney, one of the Channel
>>Islands, which is known to be a tax haven. One of his partners–with a
>>quarter share of the company–was Vyacheslav Ivankov, the legendary
>>Russian criminal who in March 1992 became Godfather of the Russian mob
>>in America. Ivankov was convicted in 1996 of extorting two Russian-born
>>Wall Street stockbrokers. He now resides in Raybrook, a Federal prison
>>in upstate New York.
>
>>In early 1990, Mogilevich fled Moscow, as did many other dons, to avoid
>>the gangland wars that were then roiling the capital. Mogilevich and his
>>top henchmen settled in Israel, where they received Israeli
>>citizenship. He ”succeeded in building a bridgehead in Israel” and
>>”developing significant and influential [political] ties,” says an
>>Israeli intelligence report.
>
>>Mogilevich is married to a Hungarian national, Katalin Papp. That
>>marriage allowed him to legally emigrate to Budapest, Hungary, in 1991,
>>where he began to build the foundations of his global criminal empire.
>>He bought a string of nightclubs in Prague, Riga, and Kiev–called the
>>”Black and White Clubs”–that has become one of the world’s foremost
>>centers of prostitution. Monya Elson is a partner in the clubs,
>>according to his own admission and classified FBI documents. The Black
>>and White Club in Budapest became the hub of Mogilevich’s operations. He
>>quickly built a highly structured criminal organization, in the mode of
>>a traditional American mafia family. Indeed, many of the organization’s
>>250 members are his relatives.
>
>>To the consternation of international law enforcement officials,
>>Mogilevich began to legally purchase much of Hungary’s arms industry.
>>The legitimate companies he bought include:
>
>>-Magnex 2000: a giant magnet manufacturer.
>
>>-Digep General Machine Works: an artillery shell, mortar, and fire
>>equipment manufacturer, which was financed by a $3.8 million loan from
>>the London branch of Banque Francaise De L’orean.
>
>>-Army Co-op: a mortar and anti-aircraft gun factory. Army Co-op was
>>established in 1991 by two Hungarian nationals, both in the local arms
>>industry, who were looking for a partner. Mogilevich has bought 95 per
>>cent of Army Co-op through another Channel Island holding company,
>>Arigon, Ltd., and also deals extensively with the Ukraine, selling oil
>>products to the Ukrainian railway administration.
>
>>These transactions enabled the Mogilevich organization to become a
>>direct owner of the Hungarian armaments industry. In 1994, he purchased
>>a license enabling him to buy and sell weapons. Now a legitimate
>>armaments manufacturer, one of his companies participated in at least
>>one arms exhibition in the U.S., where it displayed mortars modified by
>>Israel.
>
>>Like mob bosses everywhere, Mogilevich couldn’t sustain his empire
>>without the help of corrupt police and politicians. There is one
>>documented example of a criminal associate of Mogilevich mingling with
>>American politicians. In March 1994, Vahtang Ubiriya, one of
>>Mogilevich’s top lieutenants, was photographed by the FBI at a tony
>>Republican Party fundraiser in Dallas, says an FBI report. Ubiriya, a
>>high-ranking official in the Ukrainian railway administration, has a
>>prior conviction for bribery in the Ukraine.
>
>>In Europe and Russia, the ”corruption of police and public officials
>>has been part of the Semion Mogilevich Organization’s modus operandi,”
>>says a classified FBI document. ”The corruptive influence of the
>>Mogilevich organization apparently extends to the Russian security
>>system. During 1995, two colonels from Department of the Russian
>>Presidential Security Service . . . traveled to Hungary under commercia
>>cover to meet with Mogilevich . . . seeking information for use in the
>>Russian political campaign.” An Israeli associate of Mogilevich met
>>with the two colonels and provided intelligence. Mogilevich also paid
>>off a Russian judge to secure Vyacheslav Ivankov’s early release from a
>>Siberian prison, where he was doing hard time for robbery and torture,
>>according to U.S. court records and classified FBI documents.
>
>>On April 28, the German national television network ZDF reported that
>>the BND (the German intelligence agency) had entered into a secret
>>contract with Mogilevich to provide information on the Russian mob.
>>The charges were made by several sources, including Pierre Delilez, a
>>highly regarded Belgium police investigator who specializes in Russian
>>Organized Crime. Because of this deal with the BND, police in Belgium,
>>Germany, and Austria have complained that it is now impossible to
>>investigate the ”Brainy Don.” If the television report is accurate,
>>one possible motive for BND’s deal, says a U.S. law enforcement expert
>>on the Russian mob, is that the Germans recently ”pulled their people
>>out of Moscow because they didn’t like the level of cooperation they
>>were getting from the Russian authorities on the Russian mob.”
>>Gangsters, said this source, often talk to intelligence agencies about
>>their rivals.
>
>>MOGILEVICH’S MAIN activity in the U.S. appears to be money laundering,
>>says a classified FBI report. He has set up companies in Los
>>Angeles–FNJ Trade Management–and Newton, Pennsylvania–YBM Magnex
>>International–as well as dozens of shell companies, which have
>>received more than $30 million from Arigon, Ltd., the center of
>>Mogilevich’s financial operations.
>
>>Last Friday, U.S. Attorney Robert Courtney, head of the organized-crime
>>strike force, led a a joint FBI, IRS, INS, and Customs raid of YBM’s
>>offices in Newton. Cartons of documents were seized, with Canadian and
>>U.S. police citing the company’s alleged ties to Russian organized
>>crime. YBM is publicly traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange, and two
>>days before Friday’s raid, trading in its stock was suspended by
>>Canadian authorities.
>
>>The president and CEO of YBM is Jacob Bogatin, a professor of physical
>>metallurgy. In May 1996, he contacted the FBI in Philadelphia to find
>>out why the INS had denied visas to YBM employees arriving from Hungary
>>and the Ukraine. When he was rebuffed, he had intermediaries step
>>forward and pester the FBI. The State Department has banned Mogilevich
>>himself from obtaining a U.S. visa because he’s on the department’s
>>watch list of international organized-crime figures. Nevertheless, he
>>has surreptitiously entered America under aliases and on visitor visas
>>issued in Tel Aviv to visit Elson and Ivankov.
>
>>Bogatin admitted during a telephone interview that Mogilevich owns his
>>company. When asked if he knew that numerous law enforcement agencies
>>here and abroad considered Mogilevich to be a leader of one of the most
>>ruthless organized-crime families in recent times, Bogatin replied,
>>”We have an investors relations guy. You want to talk with him about
>>this stuff.” He added that he had read allegations in the Eastern
>>European press that his boss was a Mafia don, but didn’t believe them.
>>YBM vehemently denies that it is connected to Russian organized crime or
>>has engaged in any criminal activities.
>
>>Bogatin is no stranger to the mob, however. His brother, David, a top
>>Russian crime figure who once served in North Vietnam for the Soviets in
>>an anti-aircraft unit, is now serving an eight-year term in a New York
>>State prison for a multimillion-dollar gasoline tax fraud scheme. Just
>>prior to trial, he had jumped bail, fleeing to Poland. There he set up
>>the first commercial banks, which moved vast sums of money controlled
>>by Russian wiseguys. (This after handing over his mortgages for five
>>pricey Trump Tower apartments to a Genovese associate. The mortgages
>>were liquidated and the funds were moved through a mafia-controlled
>>bank in Chelsea.) Eventually he was caught and returned to the U.S. In
>>the meantime, he lived like royalty in a five-star Viennese hotel,
>>surrounded by a praetorian guard of 125 Polish parachutists, some of
>>them bedecked in shiny gold uniforms.
>
>>Mogilevich has not refrained from associating with known killers in
>>America, prime among them Elson and Ivankov. A confidential informant
>>told the FBI that Vladimir Berkovich, an L.A. resident, is a chief
>>lieutenant in Mogilevich’s organization and has arranged contract
>>killings here, supplying the weapons and spiriting the killers out of
>>the country. The visas, says the report, were obtained through the Palm
>>Terrace restaurant, a watering hole for Russian gangsters, which
>>Berkovich owns. Berkovich told the Voice that he is aware of the
>>government’s charges, and that they are ”total bullshit.” Although he
>>has no criminal record in the U.S., Berkovich’s son, Oleg, was convicted
>>in Los Angeles of solicitation to commit murder on October 11, 1989. He
>>was sentenced to four years. Oleg’s business card identified his
>>employer as Magnex, Ltd., a company owned by Mogilevich in Budapest.
>>Oleg was recently arrested in Hungary on unspecified charges but was
>>released.
>
>>Oleg’s uncle, the colorful Lazar Berkovich, whose last known address was
>>New York City, arrived in the Big Apple after having survived a
>>shootout with Italian gangsters, says his brother Vladimir. The FBI
>>report claims that Lazar was head of Russian criminal activities in
>>Italy prior to his coming to America to recuperate from his wounds,
>>though Vladimir Bercovich denies that Lazar was ever connected to the
>>Russian mob.
>
>>Israeli and U.S. law enforcement sources agree that the Red Mafia,
>>though in existence for a mere six years, has become one of the most
>>formidable Russian organized-crime families in the world. Strongest in
>>the Ukraine, Hungary, the Czech Republic, and the U.S., Mogilevich has
>>increased his strength by forging ties with other powerful Russian mob
>>groups as well as with the Italian Camorra. His reported ties to the
>>German BND and ex-police officers in Hungary keep him informed of police
>>efforts to penetrate his organization. ”He also ingratiates himself
>>with the police by providing information on other [Russian crime]
>>groups’ activities, thus appearing to be a cooperative good citizen,”
>>says a classfied FBI report. This, along with his strong leadership
>>qualities, his acute financial skills, his talented and highly educated
>>associates, and his use of cutting-edge technology, has so far made
>>the ”Brainy Don” impervious to prosecution.
>
>>This document last modified Friday, May 22, 1998, 10:31 AM EDT.
>
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On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:30:19 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand
>>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at. See the
>>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>>be.
>>
>>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>>
>>>”All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren’t
>>>counted by any census – simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>>anybody who couldn’t present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>>million? We will never know.”
>>
>>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>>
>>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>>most of them probably left and survived.
>>
>>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>>persons died–e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>>
>>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>>
>>sperati wrote:
>>> ———- Forwarded message ———-
>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>> From: stefan lemieszewski
>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>
>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>
>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>> titled “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.” If someone has access I would
>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>
>>> —————————————————————————
>>
>>> North Shore News
>>> February 2, 1997
>>
>>> Insights from abroad
>>> Doug Collins
>>
>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>> served in Hiler’s forces as high ranking officers.
>>
>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>> about “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.”
>>
>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>> was Erhard Milch, who “masterminded German aircraft production and
>>> transformed the Luftwaffe.” His father was Jewish.
>>>
>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of “mixed Jewish race or
>>> married to Jews.” They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>
>>> Seventeen “Jews in Nazi uniform” were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>> Germany’s highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>> more. The research is continuing.
>>
>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>> alive.
>>
>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>> father, “wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle.”
>>
>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>> whether they were “victims or perpetrators.”
>>
>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>
>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>> documents in the process.
>>
>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler’s Germany; also that no Jew
>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, “It makes
>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated.”
>>
>>> He stated, too, that Rigg’s research would “inform both the argument
>>> about Hitler’s role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans.”
>>
>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg’s research may be
>>> used by “deniers.” But most “deniers” do not deny that large numbers of
>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>
>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>
>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>> was a Jew.
>>
>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>> one were seen as “mixed race” and were also denied full citizenship.
>>
>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>
>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of “Aryan descent.” Milch, sentenced to a
>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>
>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>
>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>
>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>
>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>> wonder why?
>>
>>> —The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>
>>
>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
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Subject: How many Polish murdered by JEWS/KGB at Katin’?
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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments.
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>>
>>(…)
>>
>>………………………………………
>>
>>
>> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
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Subject: ZIONIST HEROES – WAR CRIMINALS!!!!
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On Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:57:26 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>And don’t forget the murders of the UN troops in Lebanon by the JEWS;
>And don’t forget the genocide of the unarmed civilians at the Q’ana
>refugee camp by the damn Israelis.
>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:17:05 -0700, Clancy
>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>> And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>> Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>> gangster!!!
>
>
>>Zionist terrorist acts from 1939-1996 – part I
>
>>1939
>>Haganah blew up the Iraqi oil pipeline near Haifa palestine. Moshe Dayan was one of
>>the participant in this act. The technique was used again in 1947 at least 4 times.
>
>>August 20, 1937-June 29, 1939
>>During this period, Zionist carrtied out a series of attacks against Arab buses,
>>resulting in the seath of 24 persons and wonding 25 others. They are the Master of
>>killing people on buses.
>
>>Nov.25, 1940
>>S.S. Patria blown up by Jewish Terrorists in Haifa Harbor, Killing 268 illegal Jewish
>>immigrants.
>
>>Nov. 6 1944
>>Zionist Terrorist of Stern gang* assassinated the British Minister Resident in the
>>Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
>
>>July 22, 1946
>>Zionist Terrorist blew up the King david Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central
>>offices of the civilian administarion of the Governemnt of Palestine, Killing and
>>injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun gangs claimed responsibility for this
>>criminal act, but subsequentevidence indicated that boith the Haganah and the Jewish
>>Agency were involved.
>
>>October 1, 1946
>>The british Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by a bomb explosions, for which Irgun
>>cliam responsibility.
>
>>June 1947
>>Letters sent to British Cabnit Minister were found to contain Bombs.
>
>>September 3, 1947
>>A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting
>>room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs.( The
>>Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8
>
>>December 11, 1947
>>Six Arabs were kiled and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab
>>buses in haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and anothers injured in an attack by armed
>>Zionist on Arab coastal village near Haifa.
>
>>Dec. 13 1947
>>Zionist terrorist believed to be memeber of Irgun Zvia Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and
>>wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda Area. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown
>>in an Arab market-place near Damascus Gate; in Jaffa bombs were thrown into an Arab
>>cafe; in the Arab village of Al Yahudia near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack
>>with mortars and automatic weapons.
>
>>Dec. 19, 1947
>>Haganah terrorist attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the
>>ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah
>>admitted responsibility for the attack.
>
>>Dec. 29, 1947
>>Two British contables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus
>>Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun Jews threw a bomb from a taxi.
>
>>Dec. 30, 1947
>>A mixed forces of the Zionist Palmach and the “Carmel Brigade” attacked the village
>>of Ballad al Shaikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.
>
>>1947-1948
>>Over 700,000 Plaestine Arabs were uprooted from their beloved homes and land in
>>Palestine; since than have been denied the right to return or been given compensation
>>for their property. After their expolsion, the “Zionist Israel terrorist Armies”
>>razed to the ground 385 Arabs villages ad towns out of a total of 475, ands
>>oblitrated their remains. These Are “The GOD Chosen People” who commit murder in the
>>name of Judiasm.
>
>>January 1, 1948
>>Haganah terrorists attacked attacked a village on the slop of mount Camel; 17 Arabs
>>were killed and 33 were wounded.
>
>>January 4, 1948
>>Haganah terrorist wearing British Army Uniform penetrated into the center of Jaffa
>>and blew up the Serai(the old Turkish Governemnt House) which was used as a
>>headqaurter of the Arab national Committee, killing more than 40 persons and wounding
>>98 others.
>
>>January 5, 1948
>>The Arab-owned semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blowm up, killing 20 persons, among
>>them Viscount de Tapia, the Spanish consul. Haganah admitted responsibility for this
>>outrage.
>
>>January 7, 1948
>>seventeen Arabs were kjilled by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them
>>while trying to escape. further casualties, including the murder of a British officer
>>near Hebron, were reported from different part of the country.
>
>>Jan. 16, 1948
>>Zionists blew up three Arabs building. in the first, 8 children between the ages of
>>18 month and 12 years, died.
>
>>Dec. 13, 1947- February 10, 1948
>>seven incident of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilian in cafe and markets, killing
>>138 and wounding 271 others. during this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses.
>>Zionist mind passenger trains on at least 4 occasions killing 93 persons and wounding
>>161 others.
>
>>Feb. 15 1948
>>Haganah terrorist attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses,
>>killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.
>
>>March 3, 1948
>>Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa(a 7 story block of
>>flat and shops) by zionist who drove an army lorry uo to the building and escaped
>>before the detonation of 400 lb. of explosive; casualties numbered 11 Arabs ans 3
>>Armanians killed and 23 injured. The Stern Jewish Gang claimed responsibility of the
>>crime.
>
>>March 22, 1948
>>A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100
>>others. Four memeber of the Stern Jewish Gang drove two lorry-loaded of explosive
>>into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosive.
>
>>March 31, 1948
>>The Cairo_Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month by an
>>electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60
>>others.
>
>>April 9, 1948
>>A combined forces of Irgun Zvai Leumi and ther Stern Jewish Gang, supported by the
>>Palmach forces captured the Arab village of Deir Yassine and killed than 200 unarmed
>>civilians, including countless women and childern. Older men and young women were and
>>paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were than
>>shot in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.
>
>>April 16, 1948
>>Zionist attacked the former British army camp at tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs
>>there.
>
>>April 19 1948
>>Fourteen arabs were killed in a hous in Tiberias which was blown up by Zionist
>>terrorist Jews.
>
>>May 11, 1948
>>A letter Bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Baker, former commanding Officer in Plaestine,
>>was detected in the nick of time by his wife.
>
>>April 25, 1948- may 13, 1948
>>Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and
>>Haganah Terrorist Jews. They stripped and carried away everything they could,
>>destroying what they could not take with them.
>
>>Sept. 17 1948
>>Count Folk Bernadotte, UN Mediator in Palestine was assassinated by member of the
>>Stern Jewish Gang in the Zionist controlled sector of Jerusalem. Bernadotte’s aide
>>Col. serot was also killed and murdered by Jewish terrorist.
>
>>Nov. 1948
>>The Arab village of Iqrit and Birim were attacked and destroyed, killing and injuring
>>countless unarmed Arabs, including women and children. All the Arabs were forcibly
>>expelled from their homes and mother land Palestine, Know today as the artificial
>>state of zionist Israel.
>sven88
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Subject: How many Polish murdered by JEW/KGB at Katin’?
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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments.
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>>
>>(…)
>>
>>………………………………………
>>
>>
>> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
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Subject: How Many Jews Really Died??
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On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:30:19 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:47:17 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand
>>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at. See the
>>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>>be.
>>
>>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>>
>>>”All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren’t
>>>counted by any census – simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>>anybody who couldn’t present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>>million? We will never know.”
>>
>>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>>
>>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>>most of them probably left and survived.
>>
>>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>>persons died–e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>>
>>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>>
>>sperati wrote:
>>> ———- Forwarded message ———-
>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>> From: stefan lemieszewski
>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>
>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>
>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>> titled “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.” If someone has access I would
>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>
>>> —————————————————————————
>>
>>> North Shore News
>>> February 2, 1997
>>
>>> Insights from abroad
>>> Doug Collins
>>
>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>> served in Hiler’s forces as high ranking officers.
>>
>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>> about “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.”
>>
>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>> was Erhard Milch, who “masterminded German aircraft production and
>>> transformed the Luftwaffe.” His father was Jewish.
>>>
>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of “mixed Jewish race or
>>> married to Jews.” They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>
>>> Seventeen “Jews in Nazi uniform” were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>> Germany’s highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>> more. The research is continuing.
>>
>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>> alive.
>>
>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>> father, “wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle.”
>>
>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>> whether they were “victims or perpetrators.”
>>
>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>
>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>> documents in the process.
>>
>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler’s Germany; also that no Jew
>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, “It makes
>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated.”
>>
>>> He stated, too, that Rigg’s research would “inform both the argument
>>> about Hitler’s role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans.”
>>
>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg’s research may be
>>> used by “deniers.” But most “deniers” do not deny that large numbers of
>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>
>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>
>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>> was a Jew.
>>
>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>> one were seen as “mixed race” and were also denied full citizenship.
>>
>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>
>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of “Aryan descent.” Milch, sentenced to a
>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>
>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>
>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>
>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>
>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>> wonder why?
>>
>>> —The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>
>>
>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
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On Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:57:26 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>And don’t forget the murders of the UN troops in Lebanon by the JEWS;
>And don’t forget the genocide of the unarmed civilians at the Q’ana
>refugee camp by the damn Israelis.
>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:17:05 -0700, Clancy
>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>> And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>> Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>> gangster!!!
>
>
>>Zionist terrorist acts from 1939-1996 – part I
>
>>1939
>>Haganah blew up the Iraqi oil pipeline near Haifa palestine. Moshe Dayan was one of
>>the participant in this act. The technique was used again in 1947 at least 4 times.
>
>>August 20, 1937-June 29, 1939
>>During this period, Zionist carrtied out a series of attacks against Arab buses,
>>resulting in the seath of 24 persons and wonding 25 others. They are the Master of
>>killing people on buses.
>
>>Nov.25, 1940
>>S.S. Patria blown up by Jewish Terrorists in Haifa Harbor, Killing 268 illegal Jewish
>>immigrants.
>
>>Nov. 6 1944
>>Zionist Terrorist of Stern gang* assassinated the British Minister Resident in the
>>Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
>
>>July 22, 1946
>>Zionist Terrorist blew up the King david Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central
>>offices of the civilian administarion of the Governemnt of Palestine, Killing and
>>injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun gangs claimed responsibility for this
>>criminal act, but subsequentevidence indicated that boith the Haganah and the Jewish
>>Agency were involved.
>
>>October 1, 1946
>>The british Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by a bomb explosions, for which Irgun
>>cliam responsibility.
>
>>June 1947
>>Letters sent to British Cabnit Minister were found to contain Bombs.
>
>>September 3, 1947
>>A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting
>>room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs.( The
>>Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8
>
>>December 11, 1947
>>Six Arabs were kiled and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab
>>buses in haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and anothers injured in an attack by armed
>>Zionist on Arab coastal village near Haifa.
>
>>Dec. 13 1947
>>Zionist terrorist believed to be memeber of Irgun Zvia Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and
>>wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda Area. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown
>>in an Arab market-place near Damascus Gate; in Jaffa bombs were thrown into an Arab
>>cafe; in the Arab village of Al Yahudia near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack
>>with mortars and automatic weapons.
>
>>Dec. 19, 1947
>>Haganah terrorist attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the
>>ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah
>>admitted responsibility for the attack.
>
>>Dec. 29, 1947
>>Two British contables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus
>>Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun Jews threw a bomb from a taxi.
>
>>Dec. 30, 1947
>>A mixed forces of the Zionist Palmach and the “Carmel Brigade” attacked the village
>>of Ballad al Shaikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.
>
>>1947-1948
>>Over 700,000 Plaestine Arabs were uprooted from their beloved homes and land in
>>Palestine; since than have been denied the right to return or been given compensation
>>for their property. After their expolsion, the “Zionist Israel terrorist Armies”
>>razed to the ground 385 Arabs villages ad towns out of a total of 475, ands
>>oblitrated their remains. These Are “The GOD Chosen People” who commit murder in the
>>name of Judiasm.
>
>>January 1, 1948
>>Haganah terrorists attacked attacked a village on the slop of mount Camel; 17 Arabs
>>were killed and 33 were wounded.
>
>>January 4, 1948
>>Haganah terrorist wearing British Army Uniform penetrated into the center of Jaffa
>>and blew up the Serai(the old Turkish Governemnt House) which was used as a
>>headqaurter of the Arab national Committee, killing more than 40 persons and wounding
>>98 others.
>
>>January 5, 1948
>>The Arab-owned semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blowm up, killing 20 persons, among
>>them Viscount de Tapia, the Spanish consul. Haganah admitted responsibility for this
>>outrage.
>
>>January 7, 1948
>>seventeen Arabs were kjilled by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them
>>while trying to escape. further casualties, including the murder of a British officer
>>near Hebron, were reported from different part of the country.
>
>>Jan. 16, 1948
>>Zionists blew up three Arabs building. in the first, 8 children between the ages of
>>18 month and 12 years, died.
>
>>Dec. 13, 1947- February 10, 1948
>>seven incident of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilian in cafe and markets, killing
>>138 and wounding 271 others. during this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses.
>>Zionist mind passenger trains on at least 4 occasions killing 93 persons and wounding
>>161 others.
>
>>Feb. 15 1948
>>Haganah terrorist attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses,
>>killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.
>
>>March 3, 1948
>>Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa(a 7 story block of
>>flat and shops) by zionist who drove an army lorry uo to the building and escaped
>>before the detonation of 400 lb. of explosive; casualties numbered 11 Arabs ans 3
>>Armanians killed and 23 injured. The Stern Jewish Gang claimed responsibility of the
>>crime.
>
>>March 22, 1948
>>A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100
>>others. Four memeber of the Stern Jewish Gang drove two lorry-loaded of explosive
>>into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosive.
>
>>March 31, 1948
>>The Cairo_Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month by an
>>electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60
>>others.
>
>>April 9, 1948
>>A combined forces of Irgun Zvai Leumi and ther Stern Jewish Gang, supported by the
>>Palmach forces captured the Arab village of Deir Yassine and killed than 200 unarmed
>>civilians, including countless women and childern. Older men and young women were and
>>paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were than
>>shot in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.
>
>>April 16, 1948
>>Zionist attacked the former British army camp at tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs
>>there.
>
>>April 19 1948
>>Fourteen arabs were killed in a hous in Tiberias which was blown up by Zionist
>>terrorist Jews.
>
>>May 11, 1948
>>A letter Bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Baker, former commanding Officer in Plaestine,
>>was detected in the nick of time by his wife.
>
>>April 25, 1948- may 13, 1948
>>Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and
>>Haganah Terrorist Jews. They stripped and carried away everything they could,
>>destroying what they could not take with them.
>
>>Sept. 17 1948
>>Count Folk Bernadotte, UN Mediator in Palestine was assassinated by member of the
>>Stern Jewish Gang in the Zionist controlled sector of Jerusalem. Bernadotte’s aide
>>Col. serot was also killed and murdered by Jewish terrorist.
>
>>Nov. 1948
>>The Arab village of Iqrit and Birim were attacked and destroyed, killing and injuring
>>countless unarmed Arabs, including women and children. All the Arabs were forcibly
>>expelled from their homes and mother land Palestine, Know today as the artificial
>>state of zionist Israel.
>sven88
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Subject: Re: Nazi — Jewish Zionist Collaboration
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On Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:53:55 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:45:47 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On 3 Jul 1998 06:38:05 GMT,
>>>>Orest Slepokura
>>>>>…fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
>>>>> Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews…
>
>>>Her is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.
>
>>>The Kastner Case
>
>>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>>>involving
>>>a Jew – Rudolf Kastner.
>>>
>>>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
>>>are
>>>generally under the impression that there is some ‘controversy’ about
>>>negotiations he undertook for ‘the purchase of Jewish lives for money
>>>and
>>>military equipment’, but that he was ‘fully rehabilitated’ by the
>>>Supreme
>>>Court of Israel.
>>>
>>> The Accusations
>>>
>>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>>
>>>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>>>Medical
>>>Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz. In his
>>>memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>I am a Jew. In spite of that – indeed because of that – I accuse
>>>certain
>>>Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>>
>>>This group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>>>Hitler’s gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
>>>silence.
>>>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
>>>Jews
>>>in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz – the
>>>number is
>>>still on my arm – I compiled careful statistics of the exterminations.
>>>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
>>>was
>>>able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
>>>Eichmann
>>>planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers…Kastner
>>>went
>>>to Eichmann and told him, ‘I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>>>choice and I shall keep quiet.’
>>>
>>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>>>took
>>>him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>>>bargaining
>>>end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
>>>little
>>>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany
>>>collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine…(Ben Hecht, Perfidy,
>>>pp261-2)
>>>
>>>These accusations are confirmed by the ‘Eichmann Confessions’
>>>published in
>>>Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>>
>>>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>>>stands
>>>100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation, I
>>>wanted
>>>to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere…In obedience to
>>>Himmler’s directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>>political officials in Budapest…Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner
>>>was a
>>>young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He
>>>agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation – and even
>>>keep
>>>order in the collection camps – if I could close my eyes and let a few
>>>hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>>>It
>>>was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was not
>>>too
>>>high for me.
>>>
>>>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>>>smoke
>>>one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case and
>>>lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>>>he
>>>would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>>
>>>Dr. Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>>>of
>>>Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel…
>>>
>>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>>>thousand
>>>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal ‘You
>>>can
>>>have the others’, he would say, ‘but let me have this group here’. And
>>>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the
>>>deportation
>>>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews…That was the
>>>’gentleman’s agreement’ I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>>
>>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to ‘the purchase
>>>of
>>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment’.
>>>
>>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>>
>>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>>>than
>>>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent
>>>Zionist
>>>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>> The Verdict
>>>
>>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>>>panel
>>>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel’s District Court of
>>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>>>The
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>>>studied
>>>carefully.
>>>
>>>The masses of Jews from Hungary’s ghettos obediently boarded the
>>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>>>confidence
>>>in the false information that they were being transferred to
>>>Kenyermeze.
>>>
>>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>>>they
>>>not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>>
>>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>>>others
>>>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the
>>>Jews.
>>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>>>of
>>>Jewish leaders.
>>>
>>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>>>leaders
>>>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>>>spreading
>>>such false information and did not protest.
>>>
>>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local ‘rescue work’.
>>>
>>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>>>hampering
>>>the deportation orders.
>>>
>>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>>>dozen
>>>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower
>>>these few
>>>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>>>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>>
>>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>>>Jews in
>>>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>>
>>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>>>their
>>>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders
>>>who
>>>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>>>deportations…these
>>>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride
>>>to
>>>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>>
>>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>>>extermination
>>>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in
>>>Budapest
>>>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this
>>>as a
>>>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured,
>>>dependent on
>>>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its
>>>fatal
>>>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the
>>>Jewish
>>>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the
>>>catastrophe.
>>>
>>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>>>Jewry
>>>and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>>
>>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>>>task
>>>easier.
>>>
>>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>>
>>>chiefs.
>>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>>underground.
>>>
>>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>>>Nazis
>>>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S.
>>>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>>>Rescue
>>>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>>
>>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>>>these
>>>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the
>>>extermination plan of the killers ?
>>>
>>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner’s Rescue
>>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>>>friends
>>>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary – their total
>>>annihilation.
>>>
>>>The Nazi’s patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>>>six
>>>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>>>to him
>>>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a
>>>great
>>>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that
>>>would
>>>also justify his conduct – his political negotiation with Nazis and
>>>the
>>>Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>>
>>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>>>soul to
>>>the German Satan.
>>>
>>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>>>order
>>>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>>>between
>>>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation
>>>into
>>>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis
>>>promised
>>>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian
>>>Jews
>>>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative
>>>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that
>>>Kastner
>>>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp
>>>and
>>>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents
>>>and
>>>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out
>>>from
>>>the book of the living.
>>>
>>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner’s collaboration and
>>>put
>>>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not
>>>only
>>>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>>
>>>All of Kastner’s answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>>>to
>>>evade this truth.
>>>
>>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>>>wall
>>>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly
>>>to
>>>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53;
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem,
>>>June 22,
>>>1955).
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>>>’new
>>>line’ of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>>
>>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the ‘new line’
>>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>>
>>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>>’rescue’ work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>>>of
>>>Kastner’s involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>>criminals.
>>>
>>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>>>Kastner
>>>also needed an alibi for himself.
>>>
>>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>>>Kastner’s
>>>duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the S.S.
>>>
>>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>>>the
>>>Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>>
>>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>>>were
>>>coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler”.
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>>
>>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>>>when
>>>he denied he had interceded in Becher’s behalf. Moreover, he concealed
>>>the
>>>important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>>
>>>As to the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, it was enough for the
>>>defense to
>>>provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to
>>>remove
>>>Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>>
>>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>>criminal.
>>>
>>>The lies in the contents of Kastner’s affidavit, the lies in his
>>>testimony
>>>concerning the document, and Kastner’s knowing participation in the
>>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last
>>>minute
>>>fake rescue activities – all these combine to show one overwhelming
>>>truth –
>>>that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>>
>>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>>>stood up
>>>against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has declared in
>>>the
>>>affidavit.
>>>
>>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>>>but to
>>>serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth and no
>>>good
>>>faith in Kastner’s testimony, ‘I never doubted for one moment the good
>>>intention of good Becher’.
>>>
>>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>>>his
>>>own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>>>World
>>>Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>>>exaggerate
>>>when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because of his
>>>personal
>>>intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the
>>>contradictions
>>>and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were sufficient to
>>>annul the value of his statements and to prove that there was no good
>>>faith
>>>in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal. Kastner’s
>>>affidavit
>>>in favor of Becher was a wilfully false affidavit given in favor of a
>>>war
>>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>>
>>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>>>his
>>>statements.”
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi’s verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>>>libel
>>>against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproved
>>>accusation – that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>>>ordered
>>>the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli pounds
>>>as
>>>court costs.
>>>
>>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>>>pointed to
>>>much more than that.
>>>
>>>But the story does not end there.
>>>
>>>The Reaction
>>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha’am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>>
>>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>>>know now
>>>clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder” (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>>Government of Israel.
>>>
>>>As the evening paper *Yedi’ot Aharonot* said:
>>>
>>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>>political and national collapse – as a result of what such a trial may
>>>disclose.” (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>>>instead
>>>it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal
>>>libel.
>>>
>>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>>>government
>>>announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed – an appeal filed.
>>>What
>>>exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>>>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>>>appeal on
>>>a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>>
>>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>>>of
>>>Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>>>was
>>>defending Kastner so strongly:
>>>
>>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>>>National
>>>Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here
>>>in
>>>this court to defend the representative of our national institutions.”
>>>(Hecht, p. 268)
>>>
>>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner’s collaboration
>>>was
>>>not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>>leadership.
>>>
>>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>>>But
>>>the story gets worse.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>>>
>>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>>>the
>>>name
>>>of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point
>>>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not ‘fully
>>>rehabilitated’.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>>>court –
>>>that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>>>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>>>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being ‘fully
>>>rehabilitated’.
>>>
>>>
>>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>>>these
>>>facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two,
>>>found
>>>that Kastner’s actions were morally justifiable and convicted
>>>Greenwald of
>>>criminal libel for calling this ‘collaboration’.
>>>
>>>Kastner’s actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>>>the
>>>defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that
>>>prove
>>>conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>>
>>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>>>Kastner.
>>>They joined him.
>>>
>>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>>Chesin:
>>>
>>>….What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>>>Kluj,
>>>people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the
>>>end of
>>>their journey…Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying, ‘The
>>>Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree’. This
>>>vivid
>>>description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>>>Hungarian Jews, ‘This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without
>>>any
>>>ideological Jewish backbone’ (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in
>>>Budapest,
>>>protocol 465).
>>>
>>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, ‘The
>>>Jews
>>>of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>>>neither
>>>physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>>>against the deportation scheme’…From this point of view no rescue
>>>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to
>>>the
>>>Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on can
>>>properly
>>>conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>>
>>>….And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>>>when
>>>he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result
>>>from
>>>his great despair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community.
>>>Even
>>>then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration and
>>>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>>>Kastner’s efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale…And
>>>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and
>>>say
>>>that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>>>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few
>>>Jews
>>>from Hell – this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>>>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their
>>>plan to
>>>exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>>
>>>Even if, through these activities of his – or rather, his omission –
>>>the
>>>extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question
>>>is not
>>>whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>>>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>>>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting
>>>its
>>>doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of
>>>his
>>>efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he
>>>disclose
>>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>>>everybody
>>>will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the
>>>blood of
>>>the few bring if everybody is to perish?…As I said, I am not arguing
>>>with
>>>the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish
>>>District
>>>Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that
>>>his
>>>findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived
>>>at.
>>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>>>extermination
>>>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both
>>>from a
>>>moral and public point of view…
>>>
>>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>>>who
>>>boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination,
>>>one
>>>has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and
>>>Marton,
>>>and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an
>>>hour of
>>>crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not
>>>warn
>>>and did not cry out of the coming danger….
>>>
>>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>>>Court
>>>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>>>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in
>>>Hungary
>>>during the last war.” (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>>
>>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner’s contempt for the
>>>Hungarian
>>>Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what
>>>many
>>>other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did – concealing their
>>>knowledge of
>>>the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>>>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist ‘leaders’ boarded a different
>>>train for Palestine.
>>>
>>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>>>
>>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>>>Silberg:
>>>
>>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>>>the
>>>leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have
>>>a
>>>clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing
>>>here
>>>with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>>>guilt of others….
>>>
>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>>>an
>>>opinion….’Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray
>>>of
>>>hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>>>result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret of the
>>>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the
>>>few –
>>>therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of
>>>collaborating
>>>with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews, even
>>>though, in
>>>fact, he brought about its result.’
>>>
>>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>>>such
>>>an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>>>cooperation
>>>with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and without the
>>>knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the
>>>decisive
>>>consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from the
>>>testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of
>>>the
>>>Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been
>>>able
>>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>>>concealment of
>>>children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money, bribery,
>>>etc. –
>>>and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds of
>>>thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete
>>>certainty
>>>and with an extreme ‘no’ the efficiency of all the many and varied
>>>rescue
>>>ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does
>>>he
>>>decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation
>>>of the
>>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>>>as
>>>his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to
>>>a
>>>claim of such good faith…
>>>
>>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>>>die
>>>so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will
>>>come
>>>out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an
>>>individual
>>>erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other
>>>patients. He
>>>is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>>
>>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>>>complete
>>>loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue
>>>operation
>>>could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>>
>>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>>>was
>>>put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>>>Kastner
>>>himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make
>>>this
>>>claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report
>>>to the
>>>Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in
>>>the
>>>countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>>>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue,
>>>and
>>>the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>>>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed
>>>the
>>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>>>resisting
>>>the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and
>>>activity.
>>>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing…
>>>
>>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>>
>>>A. That the Nazis didn’t want to have a great revolt – nor small
>>>revolts,
>>>and their passion was to have the extermination machine working
>>>smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner from
>>>the best source – from Eichmann himself – And he had additional proofs
>>>of
>>>that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics
>>>which
>>>were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>>>
>>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with – or
>>>the
>>>escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>>>murder.
>>>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
>>>evidence for this.
>>>
>>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>>>of
>>>the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>>
>>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner…He who is capable of
>>>rescuing
>>>this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great war
>>>criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his eyes…I couldn’t
>>>base
>>>the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it
>>>is
>>>attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws
>>>retroactive
>>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>>conclusion.”(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>>
>>>
>>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>>>their
>>>attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have
>>>been
>>>under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate
>>>collaboration
>>>with the Nazis.
>>>
>>>But Judge Silberg’s judgement was that of a minority.
>>>
>>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>>
>>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>>>with
>>>the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>>
>>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>>>gave
>>>on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to
>>>remain
>>>a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with
>>>an
>>>estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>>
>>>Becher has even used his certification as a ‘good’ SS officer to give
>>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>>>West
>>>Germany.
>>>
>>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>>>the
>>>Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>>>pressure
>>>that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for fear of
>>>what
>>>might come out.
>>>
>>>Likewise, none of Kastner’s associates on the Zionist Relief and
>>>Rescue
>>>Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on
>>>trial .
>>>Let alone the hundreds of ‘prominents’ who helped Kastner to reassure
>>>the
>>>Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz,
>>>in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them eventually to
>>>Palestine.
>>>
>>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>>>was
>>>approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership
>>>in
>>>Palestine. He is ‘now dead’. Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March
>>>1957
>>>he was shot by Zeev Eckstein – immediately after the appeal hearings
>>>were
>>>concluded, and before the judgement ‘rehabilitating’ him was
>>>delivered.
>>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>>>of the
>>>Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another ‘fantastic
>>>allegation’ no doubt; but admitted in court during the murder trial).
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On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:34:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>
>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand
>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at. See the
>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>be.
>>
>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>>
>>”All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren’t
>>counted by any census – simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>anybody who couldn’t present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>million? We will never know.”
>>
>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>>
>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>most of them probably left and survived.
>>
>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>persons died–e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>>
>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>>
>
>sperati wrote:
>>
>> ———- Forwarded message ———-
>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>> From: stefan lemieszewski
>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>
>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>
>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>> titled “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.” If someone has access I would
>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>
>> —————————————————————————
>>
>> North Shore News
>> February 2, 1997
>>
>> Insights from abroad
>> Doug Collins
>>
>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>> served in Hiler’s forces as high ranking officers.
>>
>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>> about “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.”
>>
>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>> was Erhard Milch, who “masterminded German aircraft production and
>> transformed the Luftwaffe.” His father was Jewish.
>>
>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of “mixed Jewish race or
>> married to Jews.” They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>
>> Seventeen “Jews in Nazi uniform” were awarded the Knights Cross,
>> Germany’s highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>> more. The research is continuing.
>>
>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>> alive.
>>
>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>> father, “wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle.”
>>
>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>> whether they were “victims or perpetrators.”
>>
>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>
>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>> documents in the process.
>>
>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler’s Germany; also that no Jew
>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>
>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, “It makes
>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated.”
>>
>> He stated, too, that Rigg’s research would “inform both the argument
>> about Hitler’s role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans.”
>>
>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg’s research may be
>> used by “deniers.” But most “deniers” do not deny that large numbers of
>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>
>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>
>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>> was a Jew.
>>
>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>
>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>> one were seen as “mixed race” and were also denied full citizenship.
>>
>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>
>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of “Aryan descent.” Milch, sentenced to a
>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>
>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>
>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>> plotting against Hitler.
>>
>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>
>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>> wonder why?
>>
>> —The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>
>
>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>
>
>
>On 9 Sep 1998 23:34:21 GMT, [email protected] (SBobrow940) wrote:
>
>>I suggest that everybody get information from the research done by Biggs or
>>read The Daily Telegraph about Bigg’s findings.
>>Check it for yourself and draw conclusions.
>>Bigg’s writes about Mischlings – people of mixed desent (German/Jewish).
>>If you want to act intelligently read also the Nurenmberg laws, inacted in the
>>Reich in 1935.
>>Everything else “provided” here by Pawlikowski and the likes is a flat
>>falsehood.
>>Another lie that some try to spread here is a number of 300,000 Jews who,
>>according to the same liers, served in the Wehrmacht.. The total Jewish
>>population in the Reich in 1933 was 600,000. It was before the Kristallnacht
>>(1935) and increased emigration of the German Jews to Palestine.
>>Only Polish-Nazis or other Nazis can try to hype this “information”.
>>The same happened already with another hype about Zyklon-B.
>>
>>Slawomir Bobrowski
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On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:57:40 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:36 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:42:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>>And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>>>gangster!!!
>
>>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin’s participation in war crimes
>>>>>
>>>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>>>
>>>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>>>not been used yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook “to
>>>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.” A Signatory may
>>>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>>>
>>>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world’s
>>>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States’ legal obligations to do so.
>>>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>>>
>>>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>>>1977, as ‘grave breaches’, the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>>>prosecute.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>>>
>>>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>>>
>>>>>”1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately.” The order was signed “Yitzhak
>>>>>R[abin].”
>>>>>
>>>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>>>”The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949″ by Israeli
>>>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo’s book “The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland”, Quartet Books,
>>>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>>>
>>>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin’s implication in
>>>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin’s orders. As a prelude to
>>>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile’. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>>>planned ‘transfer’ policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>>>master plan of “ethnical cleansing”.
>>>>>
>>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>>
>>>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as ‘war crimes’.
>>>>>
>>>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>>>> of their Inhabitants
>>>>>
>>>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>>>
>>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>>
>>>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>>>prohibit “at any time and in any place whatsoever….collective
>>>>>punishments”. It seems that the destruction of these villages – every
>>>>>single house in them – constitutes ‘collective punishment’ within the
>>>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>>>> Youngsters
>>>>>
>>>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by “force, might,
>>>>>beatings”. More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>>>
>>>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>>>these practices (i.e. Ha’aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin’s role in these
>>>>>policies.
>>>>>
>>>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) “inhuman treatment….wilfully
>>>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health”. Protocol I
>>>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>>>the acts which remain “prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:”: “Violence to
>>>>>the….physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular….(iii)
>>>>>corporal punishment.”
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>>>> Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>>>
>>>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin’s war:
>>>>>”Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>>>southern Lebanon. (…) Rabin’s War – Operation Accountability – has killed
>>>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>>>Beirut. (…) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(…) About
>>>>>80 villages have been hit.”. According to the London-based Middle East
>>>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the “majority of casualties were
>>>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>>>around 100,000.”
>>>>>
>>>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was “expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon ‘uninhabitable’ and to create a
>>>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel’s will (…)”
>>>>>
>>>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), “some 400,000
>>>>>people – mainly Shi’ite Muslims – fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves”.
>>>>>
>>>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>>>specifies as a ‘grave breach’ (war crime) “making the civilian population
>>>>>or individual civilians the object of attack” as well as “launching an
>>>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects”. Further details are provided
>>>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a ‘grave breach’ of international
>>>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>>>
>>>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>>>
>>>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>>>
>>>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>>>their country’s sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>>>
>>>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>>>of hostilities.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>>>
>>>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mr. Rabin’s Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>>>
>>>>>As to Mr. Rabin’s personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>>>and 1967).
>>>>>
>>>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>>>”to break the bones” of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by “force, might, beatings” and
>>>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel’s Prime
>>>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin’s primary responsibility for this act.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>>>
>>>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>>>described as ‘war crimes’ as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>>>view, only the most outrageous types of ‘war crimes’, as committed in World
>>>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>>>Conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>>>the “deportation … for any … purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>>>occupied territory” as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>>>”deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>>>population….when such acts are done….in connection with any crime
>>>>>against peace or any war crime”, as Crime against Humanity.
>>>>>
>>>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>>>process of law to determine a defendant’s culpability and punishment). The
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes ‘corporal punishment’, although not as
>>>>>a ‘grave breach’. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the ‘grave
>>>>>breaches’ (war crimes), if such attacks were committed “wilfully, in
>>>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>>>serious injury to body or health”.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>>>
>>>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>>>then, state:
>>>>>
>>>>>”The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law”
>>>>>(Principle III. “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him”.
>>>>>(Principle IV).
>>>>>
>>>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>>>such reservations.
>>>>>
>>>>>Conclusion
>>>>>
>>>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>>>short legal discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived – legally – by
>>>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today’s world, it
>>>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>>>circumstances.
>>>>>
>>>>>Human rights’ and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin’s
>>>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>>>found.
>>>>
>>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser
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On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:30:39 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 19:19:14 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:48:22 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>In view of the well documented fact that almost half of the 600,000 JEWS
>>>>in Germany prior to WWII were then in the German military, onemust
>>>>consider whether these JEWS working for Hitler, were in fact a positive
>>>>role model???
>>>>PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>>> Positive Jewish role models
>>>>> Alan Silver.. wrote:
>>>>> > once again, your point is extremely obscure, and irrelevant. Whatever
>>>>> > collaboration there may have been, even if it was entirely voluntary, does
>>>>> > not for an instant excuse the crimes of the nazis and their collaborators
>>>>> > — crimes against Jews or Poles or others they used as slave labor, or
>>>>> > whatever.
>>>>> =========
>>>>> Dear Alan,
>>>>> Thank you for your email. I am posting your letter, while removing your
>>>>> signature.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are absolutely correct on the collaboration of Jews with the Nazis.
>>>>> Yes, it is hardly significant. The fact that some Jews collaborated and
>>>>> were bad (or HORRIBLY BAD) is the favorite argument of anti-Semites.
>>>>> Sure there were BAD Jews but perhaps in equal numbers BAD Poles
>>>>> Ukrainians and Germans. We use the above factual anti-Semitic argument
>>>>> very infrequently, since we are not anti-Semites.
>>>>> actually, we are true philo-Semite, who LOVE Jewish culture, tradition
>>>>> and admire Jewish achievements world over. (And yes I am jelous of it
>>>>> in a benign manner, like I am jelous of my billionaire neighbors here in
>>>>> Greenwich while I can not afford to buy a house.)
>>>>> Out of this admiration (of even Jewish kitchen i.e. sweets) I feel that
>>>>> Jews should be warned about their pathological dependece on fictitious
>>>>> martyrology. The myth of Massada has been debunked about two years ago
>>>>> by Israeli archeologists. It is about the time that the mythical parts
>>>>> of the WW II Holocasut should be also debunked, especially those which
>>>>> defame Poles and Ukrainians of whom 2,000 lost lives for hiding and
>>>>> helping Jews.
>>>>> Thus it is important to find the first and subsequent mass graves and
>>>>> bones of the 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the time to cremate.
>>>>> Thus it is important that Jews LOUDLY refute that in Yedvabne Polish
>>>>> boys decapitated Jewish maidens in July 1941 and used their heads to
>>>>> play soccer and their parents burned alive 1,600 of the Yedvabne Jews in
>>>>> a barn on July 11, 19941.
>>>>> Equally imoportant is to prove and refute the fact that Poles killed
>>>>> 42-70 Jews in 1946 in Kielce or 5,000 during 1945-1946 throught Poland.
>>>>> Simultaneously we attempt to convince you to raise your youth on the
>>>>> countless positive Jewish role models starting from B. Spoinoza and many
>>>>> many others. My favorites are Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan and perhaps Y.
>>>>> Rubin.
>>>>> ————
>>>>> Jozef pawlikowski
>>>>> > > From: PAWLIKOWSKI
>>>>> > > Subject: Re: Jewish police zyd. Ordnungdienst
>>>>> > > Date: September 30, 1997 11:35 AM
>>>>> > > Rostyk Lewyckyj wrote:
>>>>> > > > In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> > > > |PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>>> > > > |> On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>>>>> > > > |> service was completely voluntary. It was called Ordnungdienst. Their
>>>>> > > > |> emblem was a light alloy Star of David. The social background of these
>>>>> > > > |> Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>>>>> > > > |> post-graduate degrees, 60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>>>>> > > > |> education. These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>>>>> > > > |> But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>>>>> > > > |> Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>>>>> > > > |> of his book. In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>>>>> > > > |> journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>>>>> > > > |> from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>>>>> > > > |> closed.
>>>>> > > > |The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>>>>> > > > |longer or die now!
>>>>> > > > Herman
>>>>> > > > Will you allow the same explanation when it is used by a Ukrainian, Polack,
>>>>> > > > Balt or other untermensh who was made to serve as a policeman or camp
>>>>> > > > guard for the Nazis in the Reich? I believe that the USA, Canadian, and
>>>>> > > > other countries immigration services are urged by the Jewish community
>>>>> > > > not to accept this explanation and to persecute such individuals, unless
>>>>> > > > they happen to be jews.
>>>>> > > > |Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>>>>> > > > |ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next “relocation”!
>>>>> > > > |> While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>>>>> > > > |> intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>>>>> > > > |> Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>>>>> > > > |> description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>>>>> > > > |> Lodz. German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>>>>> > > > |> Wisenthal Museum in LA. Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>>>>> > > > |> three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>>>>> > > > |> Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>>>>> > > > |> the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>>>>> > > > What if anything does the commentary accompanying this film, (surely
>>>>> > > > there is a commentary?), say about these policemen? Does it label them
>>>>> > > > with any nationality?
>>>>> > > > –Rostyk
>>>>> > > ===============
>>>>> > > to get the sound track one would have to purchase copy of the film.
>>>>> > > Research costs $$$. Would you donate $50.00 to this purchase for
>>>>> > > starters.
>>>>> > > There is little doubt that these were Jews hanging Jews. I can make out
>>>>> > > stars of David on their armbands
>>>>> > > J
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Subject: How many Polish murdered by JEWS/KGB at Katin’?
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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments.
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>>
>>(…)
>>
>>………………………………………
>>
>>
>> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Zionism and the Third Reich
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On Fri, 04 Sep 1998 15:05:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Thu, 03 Sep 1998 15:15:29 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:40:38 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
>Zionism and the Third Reich
>Mark Weber
>Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the
>German
>port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letters for its name,
>”Tel Aviv,” while a
>swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was
>Zionist-owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party member. Many
>years later a traveler
>aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a “metaphysical
>absurdity.”1 Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a
>little-known chapter of history: The
>wide-ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler’s Third Reich.
>
>Common Aims
>
>Over the years, people in many different countries have wrestled with
>the “Jewish question”: that is, what is the proper role of Jews in
>non-Jewish society? During
>the 1930s, Jewish Zionists and German National Socialists shared
>similar views on how to deal with this perplexing issue. They agreed
>that Jews and Germans were
>distinctly different nationalities, and that Jews did not belong in
>Germany.
>Jews living in the Reich were therefore to be regarded not as “Germans
>of the Jewish faith,” but rather as members of a separate national
>community. Zionism (Jewish nationalism) also implied an obligation by
>Zionist Jews to resettle in Palestine, the
>”Jewish homeland.” They could hardly regard themselves as sincere
>Zionists and simultaneously claim equal rights in Germany or any other
>”foreign” country.
>
>Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, maintained
>that anti-Semitism is not an aberration, but a natural and completely
>understandable response by non-Jews to alien Jewish behavior and
>attitudes. The only solution, he argued, is for Jews to recognize
>reality and live in a separate state of their own.
>
>”The Jewish question exists wherever Jews live in noticeable numbers,”
>he wrote in his most influential work, The Jewish State. “Where it
>does not exist, it is brought
>in by arriving Jews. . . . I believe I understand anti-Semitism, which
>is a very complex phenomenon. I consider this development as a Jew,
>without hate or fear.” The Jewish question, he maintained, is not
>social or religious. “It is a national
>question. To solve it we must, above all, make it an international
>political issue. . . .”
>
>Regardless of their citizenship, Herzl insisted, Jews constitute not
>merely a religious community, but a nationality, a people, a Volk.
>Zionism, wrote Herzl, offered
>the world a welcome “final solution of the Jewish question.”
>
>
>Six months after Hitler came to power, the Zionist Federation of
>Germany (by far the largest Zionist group in the country) submitted a
>detailed memorandum to the
>new government that reviewed German-Jewish relations and formally
>offered Zionist support in “solving” the vexing “Jewish question.” The
>first step, it suggested,
>had to be a frank recognition of fundamental national differences: 4
>
>Zionism has no illusions about the difficulty of the Jewish condition,
>which consists above all in an abnormal occupational pattern and in
>the fault of an intellectual and moral posture not rooted in one’s own
>tradition. Zionism
>recognized decades ago that as a result of the assimilationist trend,
>symptoms of deterioration were bound to appear . . .
>
>Zionism believes that the rebirth of the national life of a people,
>which is now occurring in Germany through the emphasis on its
>Christian and national
>character, must also come about in the Jewish national group. For the
>Jewish people, too, national origin, religion, common destiny and a
>sense of its uniqueness must be of decisive importance in the shaping
>of its existence. This means that the egotistical individualism of the
>liberal era must be overcome and replaced with a sense of community
>and collective responsibility . . .
>
>We believe it is precisely the new [National Socialist] Germany that
>can, through bold resoluteness in the handling of the Jewish question,
>take a decisive step toward overcoming a problem which, in truth, will
>have to be dealt with by most European peoples . . .
>
>Our acknowledgment of Jewish nationality provides for a clear and
>sincere relationship to the German people and its national and racial
>realities.
>
>Precisely because we do not wish to falsify these fundamentals,
>because we, too, are against mixed marriage and are for maintaining
>the purity of the Jewish group and reject any trespasses in the
>cultural domain, we – having been brought up in the German language
>and German culture – can show an
> interest in the works and values of German culture with admiration
>and internal sympathy . . .
>
>For its practical aims, Zionism hopes to be able to win the
>collaboration of even a government fundamentally hostile to Jews,
>because in dealing with the Jewish question not sentimentalities are
>involved but a real problem
>whose solution interests all peoples and at the present moment
>especially the German people . . .
>
>Boycott propaganda – such as is currently being carried on against
>Germany in many ways – is in essence un-Zionist, because Zionism wants
>not to do battle but to convince and to build . . .
>
>We are not blind to the fact that a Jewish question exists and will
>continue to exist. From the abnormal situation of the Jews severe
>disadvantages result for them, but also scarcely tolerable conditions
>for other peoples.
>
>The Federation’s paper, the Jüdische Rundschau (“Jewish Review”),
>proclaimed the same message: “Zionism recognizes the existence of a
>Jewish problem and
>desires a far-reaching and constructive solution. For this purpose
>Zionism wishes to obtain the assistance of all peoples, whether pro-
>or anti-Jewish, because, in its
>view, we are dealing here with a concrete rather than a sentimental
>problem, the solution of which all peoples are interested.”5 A young
>Berlin rabbi, Joachim Prinz,
>who later settled in the United States and became head of the American
>Jewish Congress, wrote in his 1934 book, Wir Juden (“We Jews”), that
>the National Socialist revolution in Germany meant “Jewry for the
>Jews.” He explained: “No
>subterfuge can save us now. In place of assimilation we desire a new
>concept: recognition of the Jewish nation and Jewish race.” 6
>
>Active Collaboration
>
>On this basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and
>nationhood, National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what
>each group believed was in its own
>national interest. As a result, the Hitler government vigorously
>supported Zionism and Jewish emigration to Palestine from 1933 until
>1940-1941, when the Second
>World War prevented extensive collaboration.
>
>Even as the Third Reich became more entrenched, many German Jews,
>probably a majority, continued to regard themselves, often with
>considerable pride, as Germans first. Few were enthusiastic about
>pulling up roots to begin a new
>life in far-away Palestine. Nevertheless, more and more German Jews
>turned to Zionism
>during this period. Until late 1938, the Zionist movement flourished
>in Germany under Hitler. The circulation of the Zionist Federation’s
>bi-weekly Judische Rundschau grew enormously. Numerous Zionist books
>were published. “Zionist
>work was in full swing” in Germany during those years, the
>Encyclopaedia Judaica
>notes. A Zionist convention held in Berlin in 1936 reflected “in its
>composition the vigorous party life of German Zionists.”7
>
>The SS was particularly enthusiastic in its support for Zionism. An
>internal June 1934 SS position paper urged active and wide-ranging
>support for Zionism by the
>government and the Party as the best way to encourage emigration of
>Germany’s Jews to Palestine. This would require increased Jewish
>self-awareness. Jewish
>schools, Jewish sports leagues, Jewish cultural organizations – in
>short, everything that would encourage this new consciousness and
>self-awareness – should be
>promoted, the paper recommended.8
>
>SS officer Leopold von Mildenstein and Zionist Federation official
>Kurt Tuchler toured Palestine together for six months to assess
>Zionist development there. Based
>on his firsthand observations, von Mildenstein wrote a series of
>twelve illustrated articles for the important Berlin daily Der Angriff
>that appeared in late 1934 under
>the heading “A Nazi Travels to Palestine.” The series expressed great
>admiration for the pioneering spirit and achievements of the Jewish
>settlers. Zionist self-development, von Mildenstein wrote, had
>produced a new kind of Jew. He
>praised Zionism as a great benefit for both the Jewish people and the
>entire world.
>
>A Jewish homeland in Palestine, he wrote in his concluding article,
>”pointed the way to curing a centuries-long wound on the body of the
>world: the Jewish
>question.” Der Angriff issued a special medal, with a Swastika on one
>side and a Star of David on the other, to commemorate the joint
>SS-Zionist visit. A few months after the articles appeared, von
>Mildenstein was promoted to head the
>Jewish affairs department of the SS security service in order to
>support Zionist migration and development more effectively. 9
>
>The official SS newspaper, Das Schwarze Korps, proclaimed its support
>for Zionism in a May 1935 front-page editorial: “The time may not be
>too far off when Palestine will again be able to receive its sons who
>have been lost to it for
>more than a thousand years. Our good wishes, together with official
>goodwill, go with them.”10
>
>Four months later, a similar article appeared in the SS paper: 11
>
>The recognition of Jewry as a racial community based on blood and not
>on religion leads the German government to guarantee without
>reservation the racial separateness of this community. The government
>finds itself in complete agreement with the great spiritual movement
>within Jewry, the so-called
>Zionism, with its recognition of the solidarity of Jewry around the
>world and its rejection of all assimilationist notions. On this basis,
>Germany undertakes measures that will surely play a significant role
>in the future in the handling of the Jewish problem around the world.
>
>A leading German shipping line began direct passenger liner service
>from Hamburg to Haifa, Palestine, in October 1933 providing “strictly
>kosher food on its ships,
>under the supervision of the Hamburg rabbinate.” 12
>
>With official backing, Zionists worked tirelessly to “reeducate”
>Germany’s Jews. As American historian Francis Nicosia put it in his
>1985 survey, The Third Reich
>and the Palestine Question: “Zionists were encouraged to take their
>message to the Jewish community, to collect money, to show films on
>Palestine and generally to
>educate German Jews about Palestine. There was considerable pressure
>to teach Jews in Germany to cease identifying themselves as Germans
>and to awaken a new Jewish national identity in them.” 13
>
>In an interview after the war, the former head of the Zionist
>Federation of Germany, Dr. Hans Friedenthal, summed up the situation:
>”The Gestapo did everything in
>those days to promote emigration, particularly to Palestine. We often
>received their help when we required anything from other authorities
>regarding preparations for emigration.” 14
>
>At the September 1935 National Socialist Party Congress, the Reichstag
>adopted the so-called “Nuremberg laws” that prohibited marriages and
>sexual relations between Jews and Germans and, in effect, proclaimed
>the Jews an alien minority
>nationality. A few days later the Zionist Judische Rundschau
>editorially welcomed the new measures: 15
>
>Germany . . . is meeting the demands of the World Zionist Congress
>when it declares the Jews now living in Germany to be a national
>minority. Once the Jews have been stamped a national minority it is
>again possible to
>establish normal relations between the German nation and Jewry. The
>new laws give the Jewish minority in Germany its own cultural life,
>its own national life. In future it will be able to shape its own
>schools, its own theatre, and its
>own sports associations. In short, it can create its own future in all
>aspects of national life . . .
>
>Germany has given the Jewish minority the opportunity to live for
>itself, and is offering state protection for this separate life of the
>Jewish minority:
>
>Jewry’s process of growth into a nation will thereby be encouraged and
>a contribution will be made to the establishment of more tolerable
>relations between the two nations.
>
>Georg Kareski, the head of both the “Revisionist” Zionist State
>Organization and the Jewish Cultural League, and former head of the
>Berlin Jewish Community,
>declared in an interview with the Berlin daily Der Angriff at the end
>of 1935: 16
>
>For many years I have regarded a complete separation of the cultural
>affairs of the two peoples [Jews and Germans] as a pre-condition for
>living together without conflict. . . . I have long supported such a
>separation, provided it is founded on respect for the alien
>nationality. The Nuremberg Laws
> . . . seem to me, apart from their legal provisions, to conform
>entirely with this desire for a separate life based on mutual respect.
>. . . This interruption
>of the process of dissolution in many Jewish communities, which had
>been promoted through mixed marriages, is therefore, from a Jewish
>point of view, entirely welcome.
>
>Zionist leaders in other countries echoed these views. Stephen S.
>Wise, president of the American Jewish Congress and the World Jewish
>Congress, told a New
>York rally in June 1938: “I am not an American citizen of the Jewish
>faith, I am a Jew. . . . Hitler was right in one thing. He calls the
>Jewish people a race and we are a race.” 17
>
>The Interior Ministry’s Jewish affairs specialist, Dr. Bernhard
>L_sener,
>expressed support for Zionism in an article that appeared in a
>November 1935 issue of the
>official Reichsverwaltungsblatt: 18
>
>If the Jews already had their own state in which the majority of them
>were settled, then the Jewish question could be regarded as completely
>resolved today, also for the Jews themselves. The least amount of
>opposition to
>the ideas underlying the Nuremberg Laws have been shown by the
>Zionists, because they realize at once that these laws represent the
>only correct solution for the Jewish people as well. For each nation
>must have its own state as the outward expression of its particular
>nationhood.
>
>In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a
>network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout
>Germany where
>prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine.
>Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German
>flag, Jews were specifically
>guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national
>banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at
>the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler’s Germany. 19
>
>Himmler’s security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist
>underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid
>Haganah official Feivel
>Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help
>in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah
>was kept well informed
>about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin
>headquarters of the SS.20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included
>secret deliveries of German
>weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs.
>21
>
>In the aftermath of the November 1938 “Kristallnacht” outburst of
>violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist
>organization to get back on its feet
>and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted
>supervision. 22
>
>Official Reservations
>
>German support for Zionism was not unlimited. Government and Party
>officials were very mindful of the continuing campaign by powerful
>Jewish communities in the
>United States, Britain and other countries to mobilize “their”
>governments and
>fellow citizens against Germany. As long as world Jewry remained
>implacably hostile
>towards National Socialist Germany, and as long as the great majority
>of Jews around the world showed little eagerness to resettle in the
>Zionist “promised land,” a
>sovereign Jewish state in Palestine would not really “solve” the
>international Jewish question. Instead, German officials reasoned, it
>would immeasurably strengthen this dangerous anti-German campaign.
>German backing for Zionism was therefore
>limited to support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine under British
>control, not a sovereign Jewish state. 23
>
>A Jewish state in Palestine, the Foreign Minister informed diplomats
>in June 1937, would not be in Germany’s interest because it would not
>be able to absorb all
>Jews around the world, but would only serve as an additional power
>base for international Jewry, in much the same way as Moscow served as
>a base for international Communism.24
>
>Reflecting something of a shift in official policy,
>the German press expressed much greater sympathy in 1937 for
>Palestinian Arab resistance to Zionist ambitions, at a time when
>tension and conflict between
>Jews and Arabs in Palestine was sharply increasing. 25
>
>A Foreign Office circular bulletin of June 22, 1937, cautioned that in
>spite of support for Jewish settlement in Palestine, “it would
>nevertheless be a mistake to
>assume that Germany supports the formation of a state structure in
>Palestine under some form of Jewish control. In view of the
>anti-German agitation of international
>Jewry, Germany cannot agree that the formation of a Palestine Jewish
>state would help the peaceful development of the nations of the
>world.”26 ”
>
>The proclamation
>of a Jewish state or a Jewish-administrated Palestine,” warned an
>internal memorandum by the Jewish affairs section of the SS, “would
>create for Germany a new
>enemy, one that would have a deep influence on developments in the
>Near East.”
>
>Another SS agency predicted that a Jewish state “would work to bring
>special minority protection to Jews in every country, therefore giving
>legal protection to the exploitation activity of world Jewry.”27 In
>January 1939,
>
>Hitler’s new Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop, likewise warned
>in another circular bulletin that “Germany must regard the formation
>of a Jewish state as dangerous” because it
>”would bring an international increase in power to world Jewry.” 28
>
>Hitler himself personally reviewed this entire issue in early 1938
>and, in spite of his long-standing skepticism of Zionist ambitions and
>misgivings that his policies might
>contribute to the formation of a Jewish state, decided to support
>Jewish migration to Palestine even more vigorously. The prospect of
>ridding Germany of its Jews,
>he concluded, outweighed the possible dangers. 29
>
>Meanwhile, the British government imposed ever more drastic
>restrictions on Jewish immigration into Palestine in 1937, 1938 and
>1939. In response, the SS
>security service concluded a secret alliance with the clandestine
>Zionist agency Mossad le-Aliya Bet to smuggle Jews illegally into
>Palestine. As a result of this intensive collaboration, several
>convoys of ships succeeded in reaching
>Palestine past British gunboats. Jewish migration, both legal and
>illegal, from Germany
>(including Austria) to Palestine increased dramatically in 1938 and
>1939.
>
>Another 10,000 Jews were scheduled to depart in October 1939, but the
>outbreak of war in September brought the effort to an end. All the
>same, German authorities continued to promote indirect Jewish
>emigration to Palestine during 1940 and 1941. 30
>
>Even as late as March 1942, at least one officially authorized Zionist
>”kibbutz” training camp for potential emigrants continued to operate
>in Hitler’s Germany. 31
>
>The Transfer Agreement
>
>The centerpiece of German-Zionist cooperation during the Hitler era
>was theTransfer Agreement, a pact that enabled tens of thousands of
>German Jews to migrate
>to Palestine with their wealth. The Agreement, also known as the
>Ha’avara (Hebrew for “transfer”), was concluded in August 1933
>following talks between German
>officials and Chaim Arlosoroff, Political Secretary of the Jewish
>Agency, the Palestine center of the World Zionist Organization. 32
>
>Through this unusual arrangement, each Jew bound for Palestine
>deposited money in a special account in Germany. The money was used to
>purchase German-made agricultural tools, building materials, pumps,
>fertilizer, and so
>forth, which were exported to Palestine and sold there by the
>Jewish-owned Ha’avara
>company in Tel-Aviv. Money from the sales was given to the Jewish
>emigrant upon his arrival in Palestine in an amount corresponding to
>his deposit in Germany.
>
>German goods poured into Palestine through the Ha’avara, which was
>supplemented a short time later with a barter agreement by which
>Palestine oranges were
>exchanged for German timber, automobiles, agricultural machinery, and
>other goods. The Agreement thus served the Zionist aim of bringing
>Jewish settlers and
>development capital to Palestine, while simultaneously serving the
>German goal of freeing the country of an unwanted alien group.
>
>Delegates at the 1933 Zionist Congress in Prague vigorously debated
>the merits of the Agreement. Some feared that the pact would undermine
>the international
>Jewish economic boycott against Germany. But Zionist officials
>reassured the Congress. Sam Cohen, a key figure behind the Ha’avara
>arrangement, stressed that
>the Agreement was not economically advantageous to Germany. Arthur
>Ruppin, a Zionist Organization emigration specialist who had helped
>negotiate the pact,
>pointed out that “the Transfer Agreement in no way interfered with the
>boycott movement, since no new currency will flow into Germany as a
>result of the agreement. . . .” 33 The 1935 Zionist Congress, meeting
>in Switzerland,
>overwhelmingly endorsed the pact. In 1936, the Jewish Agency (the
>Zionist “shadow
>government” in Palestine) took over direct control of the Ha’avara,
>which remained in effect until the Second World War forced its
>abandonment.
>
>Some German officials opposed the arrangement. Germany’s Consul
>General in Jerusalem, Hans D_hle, for example, sharply criticized the
>Agreement on several
>occasions during 1937. He pointed out that it cost Germany the foreign
>exchange that the products exported to Palestine through the pact
>would bring if sold elsewhere. The Ha’avara monopoly sale of German
>goods to Palestine through a
>Jewish agency naturally angered German businessmen and Arabs there.
>Official German support for Zionism could lead to a loss of German
>markets throughout the Arab world. The British government also
>resented the arrangement.34
>
>A June 1937 German Foreign Office internal bulletin referred to the
>”foreign exchange sacrifices” that resulted from the Ha’avara. 35
>
>A December 1937 internal memorandum by the German Interior Ministry
>reviewed the impact of the Transfer Agreement: “There is no doubt that
>the Ha’avara arrangement has contributed most significantly to the
>very rapid development of Palestine since 1933. The Agreement provided
>not only the largest source of money
>(from Germany!), but also the most intelligent group of immigrants,
>and finally it brought to the country the machines and industrial
>products essential for
>development.” The main advantage of the pact, the memo reported, was
>the emigration of large numbers of Jews to Palestine, the most
>desirable target country as
>far as Germany was concerned. But the paper also noted the important
>drawbacks pointed out by Consul D_hle and others. The Interior
>Minister, it went on, had
>concluded that the disadvantages of the agreement now outweighed the
>advantages and that, therefore, it should be terminated. 36
>
>Only one man could resolve the controversy. Hitler personally reviewed
>the policy in July and September 1937, and again in January 1938, and
>each time decided
>to maintain the Ha’avara arrangement. The goal of removing Jews from
>Germany, he concluded, justified the drawbacks. 37
>
>The Reich Economics Ministry helped to organize another transfer
>company, the International Trade and Investment Agency, or Intria,
>through which Jews in
>foreign countries could help German Jews emigrate to Palestine. Almost
>$900,000 was eventually channeled through the Intria to German Jews in
>Palestine.38
>
>Other European countries eager to encourage Jewish emigration
>concluded agreements with the Zionists modeled after the Ha’avara. In
>1937 Poland authorized the
>Halifin (Hebrew for “exchange”) transfer company. By late summer 1939,
>Czechoslovakia, Romania, Hungary and Italy had signed similar
>arrangements.
>
>The outbreak of war in September 1939, however, prevented large-scale
>implementation of these agreements. 39
>
>Achievements of Ha’avara
>
>Between 1933 and 1941, some 60,000 German Jews emigrated to Palestine
>through the Ha’avara and other German-Zionist arrangements, or about
>ten percent of Germany’s 1933 Jewish population. (These German Jews
>made up about 15 percent
>of Palestine’s 1939 Jewish population.) Some Ha’avara emigrants
>transferred considerable personal wealth from Germany to Palestine. As
>Jewish historian Edwin Black has noted: “Many of these people,
>especially in the late 1930s, were
>allowed to transfer actual replicas of their homes and factories –
>indeed rough replicas of their very existence.”40
>
>The total amount transferred from Germany to Palestine through the
>Ha’avara between August 1933 and the end of 1939 was 8.1 million
>pounds or 139.57 million
>German marks (then equivalent to more than $40 million). This amount
>included 33.9 million German marks ($13.8 million) provided by the
>Reichsbank in connection with the Agreement.41
>
>Historian Black has estimated that an additional $70 million may have
>flowed into Palestine through corollary German commercial agreements
>and special international banking transactions. The German funds had a
>major impact on a
>country as underdeveloped as Palestine was in the 1930s, he pointed
>out.
>
>Several major industrial enterprises were built with the capital from
>Germany, including the Mekoroth waterworks and the Lodzia textile
>firm. The influx of Ha’avara goods
>and capital, concluded Black, “produced an economic explosion in
>Jewish Palestine” and was “an indispensable factor in the creation of
>the State of Israel.”42
>
>The Ha’avara agreement greatly contributed to Jewish development in
>Palestine and thus, indirectly, to the foundation of the Israeli
>state. A January 1939 German
>Foreign Office circular bulletin reported, with some misgiving, that
>”the transfer of Jewish property out of Germany [through the Ha’avara
>agreement] contributed to
>no small extent to the building of a Jewish state in Palestine.”43
>
>Former officials of the Ha’avara company in Palestine confirmed this
>view in a detailed study of the Transfer Agreement published in 1972:
>”The economic activity
>made possible by the influx German capital and the Haavara transfers
>to the private and public sectors were of greatest importance for the
>country’s development.
>
>Many new industries and commercial enterprises were established in
>Jewish Palestine, and numerous companies that are enormously important
>even today in the
>economy of the State of Israel owe their existence to the Haavara.”44
>
>Dr.Ludwig Pinner, a Ha’avara company official in Tel Aviv during the
>1930s, later commented that the exceptionally competent Ha’avara
>immigrants “decisively
>contributed” to the economic, social, cultural and educational
>development of Palestine’s Jewish community.45
>
>The Transfer Agreement was the most far-reaching example of
>cooperation between Hitler’s Germany and international Zionism.
>Through this pact, Hitler’s Third
>Reich did more than any other government during the 1930s to support
>Jewish development in Palestine.
>
>Zionists Offer a Military Alliance With Hitler
>
>In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization
>submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a
>military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made
>by the radical underground “Fighters for
>the Freedom of Israel,” better known as the Lehi or Stern Gang. Its
>leader, Avraham Stern, had recently broken with the radical
>nationalist “National Military Organization” (Irgun Zvai Leumi) over
>the group’s attitude toward Britain, which
>had effectively banned further Jewish settlement of Palestine. Stern
>regarded Britain as the main enemy of Zionism.
>
>This remarkable Zionist proposal “for the solution of the Jewish
>question in Europe and the active participation of the NMO [Lehi] in
>the war on the side of
>Germany” is worth quoting at some length:46
>
>In their speeches and statements, the leading statesmen of National
>Socialist Germany have often emphasized that a New Order in Europe
>requires as a prerequisite a radical solution of the Jewish question
>by evacuation.(“Jew-free Europe”)
>
>The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for
>solving the Jewish question. However, the only way this can be totally
>achieved is through settlement of these masses in the homeland of the
>Jewish people, Palestine, and by the establishment of a Jewish state
>in its historical boundaries.
>
>The goal of the political activity and the years of struggle by the
>Israel Freedom Movement, the National Military Organization in
>Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi), is to solve the Jewish problem in this
>way and thus completely liberate the Jewish people forever.
>
>The NMO, which is very familiar with the good will of the German Reich
>government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany
>and the Zionist emigration program, takes that view that:
>
>
>
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>On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:36 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:42:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>>>gangster!!!
>>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>>>>
>>>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin’s participation in war crimes
>>>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>>>not been used yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook “to
>>>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.” A Signatory may
>>>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>>>
>>>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world’s
>>>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States’ legal obligations to do so.
>>>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>>>
>>>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>>>1977, as ‘grave breaches’, the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>>>prosecute.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>>>
>>>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>>>
>>>>>”1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately.” The order was signed “Yitzhak
>>>>>R[abin].”
>>>>>
>>>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>>>”The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949″ by Israeli
>>>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo’s book “The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland”, Quartet Books,
>>>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>>>
>>>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin’s implication in
>>>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin’s orders. As a prelude to
>>>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile’. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>>>planned ‘transfer’ policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>>>master plan of “ethnical cleansing”.
>>>>>
>>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>>
>>>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as ‘war crimes’.
>>>>>
>>>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>>>> of their Inhabitants
>>>>>
>>>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>>>
>>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>>
>>>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>>>prohibit “at any time and in any place whatsoever….collective
>>>>>punishments”. It seems that the destruction of these villages – every
>>>>>single house in them – constitutes ‘collective punishment’ within the
>>>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>>>> Youngsters
>>>>>
>>>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by “force, might,
>>>>>beatings”. More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>>>
>>>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>>>these practices (i.e. Ha’aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin’s role in these
>>>>>policies.
>>>>>
>>>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) “inhuman treatment….wilfully
>>>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health”. Protocol I
>>>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>>>the acts which remain “prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:”: “Violence to
>>>>>the….physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular….(iii)
>>>>>corporal punishment.”
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>>>> Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>>>
>>>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin’s war:
>>>>>”Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>>>southern Lebanon. (…) Rabin’s War – Operation Accountability – has killed
>>>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>>>Beirut. (…) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(…) About
>>>>>80 villages have been hit.”. According to the London-based Middle East
>>>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the “majority of casualties were
>>>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>>>around 100,000.”
>>>>>
>>>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was “expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon ‘uninhabitable’ and to create a
>>>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel’s will (…)”
>>>>>
>>>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), “some 400,000
>>>>>people – mainly Shi’ite Muslims – fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves”.
>>>>>
>>>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>>>specifies as a ‘grave breach’ (war crime) “making the civilian population
>>>>>or individual civilians the object of attack” as well as “launching an
>>>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects”. Further details are provided
>>>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a ‘grave breach’ of international
>>>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>>>
>>>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>>>
>>>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>>>
>>>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>>>their country’s sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>>>
>>>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>>>of hostilities.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>>>
>>>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mr. Rabin’s Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>>>
>>>>>As to Mr. Rabin’s personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>>>and 1967).
>>>>>
>>>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>>>”to break the bones” of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by “force, might, beatings” and
>>>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel’s Prime
>>>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin’s primary responsibility for this act.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>>>
>>>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>>>described as ‘war crimes’ as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>>>view, only the most outrageous types of ‘war crimes’, as committed in World
>>>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>>>Conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>>>the “deportation … for any … purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>>>occupied territory” as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>>>”deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>>>population….when such acts are done….in connection with any crime
>>>>>against peace or any war crime”, as Crime against Humanity.
>>>>>
>>>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>>>process of law to determine a defendant’s culpability and punishment). The
>>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes ‘corporal punishment’, although not as
>>>>>a ‘grave breach’. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the ‘grave
>>>>>breaches’ (war crimes), if such attacks were committed “wilfully, in
>>>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>>>serious injury to body or health”.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>>>
>>>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>>>then, state:
>>>>>
>>>>>”The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law”
>>>>>(Principle III. “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him”.
>>>>>(Principle IV).
>>>>>
>>>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>>>such reservations.
>>>>>
>>>>>Conclusion
>>>>>
>>>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>>>short legal discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived – legally – by
>>>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today’s world, it
>>>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>>>circumstances.
>>>>>
>>>>>Human rights’ and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin’s
>>>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>>>found.
>>>>
>>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser
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On 24 Dec 1998 21:21:32 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
Jews forging articles, as usual, wanted wo repeat the records from
history, about the JEWS/KGB and their murders of the Polish officers
at Katyn:
25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
the anti-Germans.
Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
Oswiecim?
On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>Igal wrote:
>
>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>W.W.II.
>>
>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>purposes.
>>
>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>
>Igal,
>I think you are wrong.
>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>
>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>
>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>such arguments.
>
>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>
>(…)
>
>………………………………………
>
>
> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
>
> ——————. UseNet alt.revisionism,can.general,qc.general,
> mtl.general. Subject: “OyVey Concerned About Quebec JEWS,”
> Date: Sep 27, 1996, Message-ID:
> [email protected]
>
> ——————. UseNet ns.general. Subject: “SYNAGOGUE CANTOR
> CONVICTED OF KIDDIE PORN IN HALIFAX!!!!,” January 7, 1997.
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>
> ——————. UseNet: ont.general,qc.general,mtl.general.
> Subject: “SYNAGOGUE LEADER IS KIDDIE PORN CRIMINAL!!!,” January 8, 1997.
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> ——————. UseNet soc.culture.lebanon,alt.revisionism.
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> CRIMINAL!!!,” January 8, 1997
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On Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:31:29 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:57:37 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>
>>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.
>>>
>>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>>sensitive site.
>>>
>>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>>groups.
>>>
>>>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests and must be resolved as
>>>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are beginning to be perceived
>>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,” she added.
>>>
>>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>>site inevitable.
>>>
>>>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>>>
>>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site.
>>>
>>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex.
>>>
>>>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>>>
>>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar.
>>>
>>>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>>and nationalists.
>>>
>>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>>forgotten.
>>>
>>>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>>be removed.
>>>>
>>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated.
>>>>
>>>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the answer but the cross, all
>>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>>the-scene discussion.”
>>>>
>>>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, “But I don’t see any
>>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>>the moment.”
>>>
>>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>>>
>>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>>>
>>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>>international funding, are on hold.
>>>
>>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently.
>>>
>>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the “Judenrampe,” the
>>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign.
>>>
>>>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>>concrete, the crematories.”
>>>
>>>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda.
>>>
>>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,” wiping out most of
>>>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>>>
>>>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>>>
>>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>>>
>>>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland’s tiny
>>>>Jewish community.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:25:45 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>From Deja News is the attached article,certainly worth further
>>discussion
>>On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:41:19 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:52:09 -0500, [email protected] (Eugene
>>>Holman) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Would any readers of soc.culture.polish care to comment on the claims made
>>>>here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1. WHAT PROOF EXISTS THAT THE NAZIS PRACTICED GENOCIDE OR
>>>>DELIBERATELY KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS?
>>>>
>>>> None. The only evidence is the contradictory testimony of
>>>>individual “survivors”, and no “survivor” claims actually to have
>>>>witnessed any gassing. There is no hard evidence whatsoever. No mounds
>>>>of ashes, no piles of clothes, no crematoria capable of doing the job,
>>>>no human soap, no lampshades made out of human skin, no records, no
>>>>demographic statistics.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand there exists extensive evidence of a
>>>>forensic, demographic, analytical, documentary, anecdotal, and
>>>>comparative nature which clearly proves the impossibility of such a
>>>>figure as six million Jewish dead, an exaggeration of possibly 1000%.
>>>> >I can offer some coins, stamps for collectors/collections, even a
>>>>> >military parachute, as well as Malaysian 22k plated gold jewellery.
>>>
>>>Quite frankly, by reading the attached text, which proves that almost
>>>half of the original 600,000 JEWs in Germany were in the German
>>>military, one MUST question the alleged figures used by the JEWS to
>>>extort money from gullible governments!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>> 2. HOW DID GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS DIFFER FROM AMERICAN
>>>>RELOCATION CAMPS WHICH INTERNED JAPANESE AND GERMAN-AMERICANS DURING
>>>>WORLD
>>>>WAR TWO?
>>>
>>>> Except for the name, the only difference was that the Germans
>>>>interned persons who were a real or suspected threat to the German war
>>>>effort, whereas the Americans interned persons on the basis of their
>>>>race or national origin alone.
>>>
>>>> 3. WHY DID THE GERMAN AUTHORITIES INTERN JEWS IN THE
>>>>CONCENTRATION CAMPS?
>>>
>>>> Because the Germans considered the Jews a direct threat to
>>>>their national sovereignty and survival, correctly as it turned out.
>>>>Jews were overwhelmingly represented in Germany in Communist subversion
>>>>during the Weimar period. On a per capita basis, Jews were highly
>>>>overrepresented in government, commercial, and media positions.
>>>>However, ALL suspected security risks, not just Jews, were in danger of
>>>>internment once the war broke out.
>>>
>>>> On March 24th, 1933, international Jewry declared war on
>>>>Germany and ordered a world-wide boycott of German goods simply because
>>>>the German government had removed Jews from influential positions and
>>>>transferred power back to the German people. The boycott order and the
>>>>Jewish war against Germany were reported in the world print and
>>>>broadcast media of the time. False stories of German “death camps” were
>>>>in fact circulated even before the outbreak of World War Two. Therefore
>>>>the German view of the Jewish people as enemy aliens would seem to have
>>>>been fully justified.
>>>
>>>> 4. DID SIMON WIESENTHAL ONCE ADMIT THAT THERE WERE NEVER ANY
>>>>DEATH CAMPS ON GERMAN SOIL?
>>>
>>>> Yes. In *Books and Bookmen*, April 1975 issue. He claims the
>>>>gassing of all the Jews took place in Poland.
>>>
>>>> 5. DACHAU IS IN GERMANY. IF EVEN SIMON WIESENTHAL NOW ADMITS IT
>>>>WAS NOT A DEATH CAMP, WHY DO THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN VETERANS SAY IT WAS?
>>>
>>>> Because after the Allies captured Dachau (and incidentally
>>>>murdered dozens of the former staff without trial), thousands of GIs
>>>>were led through the camp and shown buildings alleged to be gas
>>>>chambers. This story was later quietly expunged from official Holocaust
>>>>lore because it became too difficult to maintain in the face of known
>>>>fact and because Dachau was in the Allied occupation zone where access
>>>>to the camp was too easy and unrestricted.
>>>
>>>> En passant, the brief lifespan of the “Dachau death camp”
>>>>version gave rise to the first critical examination and questioning of
>>>>the Holocaust myth by historians and by some Allied veterans who
>>>>noticed discrepancies in what they had seen and what they read in
>>>>official accounts. It would be many years, though, before this early
>>>>Holocaust Revisionism gained momentum.
>>>
>>>> 6. AUSCHWITZ IS IN POLAND, NOT GERMANY. IS THERE ANY PROOF THAT
>>>>GAS CHAMBERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF KILLING PEOPLE EXISTED AT AUSCHWITZ?
>>>
>>>> No. The “gas chamber” exhibited to tourists at Auschwitz could
>>>>not possibly have been used to carry out executions; it is far too
>>>>small and it is not even airtight. In the 1980s, American expert Fred
>>>>Leuchter, who builds gas chambers for American penal systems, took
>>>>scrapings from the walls of the Auschwitz “gas chamber” for chemical
>>>>analysis. He found no cyanide residue at all. The Auschwitz exhibit is
>>>>a fake, pure and simple, a flimsy tourist trap.
>>>
>>>
>>>Were not the Krema at Auschwitz built by the Polish communists in
>>>1949, long after the war???
>>>
>>>
>>>> 7. IS AUSCHWITZ WASN’T A DEATH CAMP, WHAT WAS ITS TRUE PURPOSE?
>>>
>>>> It was a large-scale manufacturing complex. Synthetic rubber
>>>>(Buna) was made there, and its inmates were used as a workforce, in the
>>>>same way in which inmate labor is increasingly being used in
>>>>correctional systems throughout the United States today.
>>>
>>>> 8. WHAT ABOUT THE INFAMOUS ZYKLON-B GAS?
>>>
>>>> Zyklon-B is a commercially manufactured compound of hydrocyanic
>>>>gas. It has a number of widespread industrial uses, including the
>>>>fumigation of lice-infested clothing, the purpose for which it was
>>>>applied at Auschwitz. Zyklon-B is still manufactured worldwide and is
>>>>commonly used and available today.
>>>
>>>> 9. IF AUSCHWITZ WAS NOT AN EXTERMINATION CAMP, WHY DID FORMER
>>>>COMMANDANT RUDOLF HOESS CONFESS THAT IT WAS?
>>>
>>>> Hoess was captured by the Russians and Polish Communists and
>>>>brutally tortured. He signed his confession, the SOLE SOURCE for the
>>>>figure of six million dead Jews, in English, a language he could not
>>>>read. Some pages of the original document are literally stained with
>>>>Hoess’ blood. Hoess was then conveniently executed so he could not be
>>>>cross examined.
>>>
>>>> 10. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FULLY TO VENTILATE AN AREA FUMIGATED
>>>>WITH ZYKLON-B?
>>>
>>>> About twenty hours. The whole procedure is extremely involved
>>>>and technical. Gas masks have to be used and well trained technicians
>>>>only are employed.
>>>
>>>> 11. RUDOLF HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD
>>>>ENTER THE GAS CHAMBER TEN MINUTES AFTER THE JEWS HAD DIED AND REMOVE
>>>>THE BODIES. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS?
>>>
>>>> It can’t be explained, because it could not have happened like
>>>>that. Had the Germans done this they would have suffered the same fate
>>>>as the allegedly exterminated Jews.
>>>
>>>> 12. HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD SMOKE
>>>>CIGARETTES AS THEY PULLED DEAD JEWS OUT OF CHAMBERS WHICH TEN MINUTES
>>>>BEFORE HAD BEEN FILLED WITH GAS. ISN’T ZYKLON-B EXPLOSIVE?
>>>
>>>> Highly so. The Hoess confession is obviously false and the six
>>>>million figure as well.
>>>
>>>> 13. HOW COULD SUCH A MASS MURDER PROGRAM HAVE BEEN KEPT SECRET
>>>>FROM JEWS WHO WERE SCHEDULED FOR EXECUTION? HOW COULD THE POPE, THE
>>>>VATICAN, THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS, AND ALLIED MILITARY INTELLIGENCE
>>>>NOT KNOW?
>>>
>>>> Given the acknowledged efficiency and penetration of the OSS,
>>>>British MI5, and Soviet NKVD into the Third Reich, it could not have
>>>>been kept secret. Nor can one imagine any reason for the Allies, who
>>>>were fighting to destroy Germany, not to make use of such a potentially
>>>>powerful propaganda weapon, had there been any contemporary evidence at
>>>>all during the war that such an event was occurring.
>>>
>>>> 14. HOW MANY JEWS ACTUALLY DIED IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS
>>>>DURING THE WAR?
>>>
>>>> About 300,000.
>>>
>>>> 15. HOW DID THEY DIE?
>>>
>>>> Mainly from recurring typhus epidemics that ravaged war-torn
>>>>Europe during the period. Typhus is a disease which invariably appears
>>>>whenever people are jammed together for long periods without bathing.
>>>>It is carried by lice which infects hair and clothes. Ironically, if
>>>>the Germans had used more Zyklon-B for disinfectant purposes, more Jews
>>>>might have survived the concentration camps. Jewish prisoners (as well
>>>>as many others) also died from starvation and lack of medical attention
>>>>towards the end of the war when virtually all rail and road transport
>>>>had come to a standstill due to the intense Allied bombing campaign.
>>>
>>>> 16. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WHETHER SIX MILLION JEWS OR 300,000
>>>>DIED?
>>>
>>>> 5,700,00. The key question is whether or not there was a
>>>>deliberate, systematic attempt on the part of the Third Reich to
>>>>exterminate the Jews of Europe. The evidence clearly shows that there
>>>>was not, and the focus of world attention now needs to shift to the
>>>>identity, the activities, and the financial and political motivations
>>>>of those who have inflicted on all humanity for the past fifty years
>>>>the grotesque, slanderous, and evil lie that there was a “Holocaust”.
>>>
>>>> 17. MANY JEWISH SURVIVORS OF THE “DEATH CAMPS” SAY THEY SAW
>>>>BODIES BEING PILED UP IN PITS AND BURNED. HOW MUCH GASOLINE WOULD HAVE
>>>>BEEN USED TO PERFORM THIS ACT?
>>>
>>>> A lot more than the Germans had access to or could have
>>>>afforded to waste during the Second World War, that’s for sure.
>>>
>>>> 18. CAN BODIES BE BURNED IN PITS?
>>>
>>>> No. It is impossible for human bodies to be totally consumed by
>>>>flames in this manner as not enough heat can be generated in open pits.
>>>>[Note From Winston Smith: I can personally confirm from my own
>>>>observations of both Communist and American atrocities in both the
>>>>American and Rhodesian armed forces that it is impossible completely to
>>>>destroy human bodies en masse with either gasoline, napalm, or in any
>>>>other way in open pits. The Holocaust “experts” who claim otherwise are
>>>>either parroting what they have been told without bothering to check
>>>>their facts, or else they are lying.]
>>>
>>>> 19. HOLOCAUST AUTHORS CLAIM THE NAZIS WERE ABLE TO CREMATE
>>>>BODIES IN ABOUT TEN MINUTES. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO INCINERATE A BODY
>>>>ACCORDING TO PROFESSIONAL FUNERAL OPERATORS?
>>>
>>>> About two hours.
>>>
>>>> 20. WHY DID CONCENTRATION CAMPS HAVE CREMATORY OVENS?
>>>
>>>> To dispose efficiently and sanitarily of the corpses dead from
>>>>typhus and other diseases.
>>>
>>>> 21. GIVEN A 100% DUTY CYCLE OF ALL THE KNOWN CREMATORIA IN ALL
>>>>THE CAMPS IN GERMAN-CONTROLLED TERRITORY, WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF
>>>>CORPSES WHICH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE TO INCINERATE DURING THE
>>>>ENTIRE TIME THE CAMPS WERE IN EXISTENCE?
>>>
>>>> About 430,600.
>>>
>>>> 22. CAN A CREMATORY OVEN BE OPERATED 100% OF THE TIME?
>>>
>>>> No. 50% of the time is a very generous estimate, or 12 hours
>>>>per day. Crematory ovens have to be cleaned thoroughly and regularly
>>>>when in heavy operation.
>>>
>>>> 23. ON THE AVERAGE, HOW MUCH ASH IS LEFT FROM A CREMATED
>>>>CORPSE?
>>>
>>>> After the bone is ground down into powder, a separate
>>>>time-consuming process in itself, about a shoe box full.
>>>
>>>> 24. IF SIX MILLION PEOPLE WERE INCINERATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>>>>HAPPENED TO THE ASHES?
>>>
>>>> That remains to be “explained”. Six million bodies would
>>>>produce literally mountains of ash, tons upon tons. Yet there have been
>>>>no discoveries of any huge deposits of ash in the Auschwitz are or
>>>>anywhere else in Europe.
>>>
>>>> 25. DO ALLIED WARTIME PHOTOS OF AUSCHWITZ, TAKEN FROM THE AIR,
>>>>SHOW ANY SIGNS OF CREMATORIA IN FULL BLAST OPERATION?
>>>
>>>> No. These photographs do not reveal even a trace of the immense
>>>>amount of smoke which must have hung constantly over the camp, nor do
>>>>they show any evidence of the alleged open pits where the bodies were
>>>>burned.
>>>
>>>> 26. WHAT DID THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE
>>>>WHOLE “HOLOCAUST” ISSUE?
>>>
>>>> A report of the visit of an IRC delegation to Auschwitz in
>>>>September of 1944 pointed out that internees were allowed to receive
>>>>packages and that rumors of gas chambers could not be verified. The
>>>>full official report of the International Red Cross on the Second World
>>>>War makes no mention at all of the so-called Holocaust or any of the
>>>>wilder allegations connected with the so-called Holocaust.
>>>
>>>> Interestingly, in 1996, fifty years after the war’s end, the
>>>>liberal media in America and Europe began running a series of articles
>>>>claiming that the Red Cross was “full of Nazi sympathizers”. This
>>>>charge is entirely bogus and may be chalked up to belated Jewish
>>>>attempts at damage control as the Holocaust myth crumbles steadily in
>>>>the light of factual examination and critical analysis.
>>>
>>>> 27. IS THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK GENUINE?
>>>
>>>> Not as published, no. The evidence compiled by Dietlieb
>>>>Felderer of Sweden and Dr. Robert Faurisson of France proves
>>>>conclusively that the published version of the famous diary is a
>>>>literary hoax. There was a girl named Anne Frank, and sections of the
>>>>diary appear to be genuine, including several wherein she describes
>>>>adolescent lesbian sexual experiences which were later excised from the
>>>>published text.
>>>
>>>> In 1950 Anne Frank’s father sued author Meyer Levin, the actual
>>>>writer of the diary, over royalties from the book. A Jewish judge in
>>>>New York ordered the records of the court case sealed for 100 years.
>>>>When the original diary was put on display a few years later, it was
>>>>noticed that the most poignant sections of the book were interpolations
>>>>written in a forged handwriting in BALL POINT PEN, a writing instrument
>>>>which was not invented until 1950. The original diary was swiftly
>>>>removed from exhibit and whisked away into a safety deposit box in
>>>>Israel. It has never been produced for examination since then despite
>>>>repeated attempts by scholars to view it.
>>>
>>>> 28. WHAT ABOUT ALL THE NUMEROUS PHOTOGRAPHS AND FILM FOOTAGE
>>>>ALLEGEDLY TAKEN IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS SHOWING EMACIATED CORPSES
>>>>AND PEOPLE? ARE THESE FAKED?
>>>
>>>> Some are, but most of the fakery lies in the captioning.
>>>>Corpses of German air raid victims, for example, are labeled as dead
>>>>Jews. One famous and oft-reprinted photo purports to show a “Nazi SS
>>>>man” about to shoot a mother holding her child; on closer examination
>>>>of the blurry print with a magnifying glass, it is clear to military
>>>>historians familiar with the uniforms and weapons of the period that
>>>>the killer is a Red Army soldier wielding a Russian-made carbine.
>>>
>>>> (The Exterminationist habit of blaming the Germans for
>>>>atrocities actually carried out by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin
>>>>remains common, even though some of the more notorious examples like
>>>>the Katyn Forest massacre of Polish prisoners have now been properly
>>>>laid at the door of the Kremlin. That this kind of fraud continues to
>>>>be perpetrated by Holocaust “experts” is not surprising in view of the
>>>>fact that almost all of them espouse Marxist or extreme left-wing views
>>>>and are as quick to apologize for and explain away Stalin’s butcheries
>>>>as they are to invent fraudulent crimes attributed to Adolf Hitler. The
>>>>almost universally leftist political and social orientation of
>>>>Holocaust defenders is important and should always be born in mind when
>>>>examining their claims; letting Stalin off the hook is almost as
>>>>important to them as blackening and defaming the memory of Hitler and
>>>>the German people. A good example of this is Nizkor leader Ken McVay’s
>>>>refusal to accept any more NSWPP e-mail after General Secretary Smith
>>>>asked him why he did not condemn the mass murders of Stalin.)
>>>
>>>> 29. WHAT WAS THE ROLE OF THE VATICAN DURING THE TIME IN WHICH
>>>>SIX MILLION JEWS WERE ALLEGEDLY EXTERMINATED?
>>>
>>>> Had there been an extermination plan being carried out in a
>>>>predominantly Catholic country like Poland, the Vatican would certainly
>>>>have been in a position to learn about it. Since no such plan existed,
>>>>the Vatican had no need to speak out about it.
>>>
>>>> 30. WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT ADOLF HITLER ORDERED THE
>>>>EXTERMINATION OF THE JEWS?
>>>
>>>> None. No documentary evidence of any kind indicating a
>>>>deliberate extermination plan on the part of the Nazis has ever come to
>>>>light. No signed order from Hitler, from Reichsfuhrer-SS Heinrich
>>>>Himmler, or from any other functionary of the Third Reich ordering the
>>>>extermination of the Jews has ever been discovered. The Nazis were
>>>>meticulous records-keepers and literally tons of documents were seized
>>>>by the Allies at the end of the war, so many it took Allied archivists
>>>>and scholars years to organize, file, and catalog them all. Nothing.
>>>>Zip. Nada.
>>>
>>>> 31. DID THE GERMANS AND THE ZIONISTS COLLABORATE BEFORE AND
>>>>DURING THE WAR?
>>>
>>>> Absolutely. Both groups were interested in removing the Jews
>>>>from Europe (the Zionists wanted the Jews shipped to Palestine) and
>>>>they maintained friendly relations throughout the war. The German
>>>>official in charge of shipping thousands of Jews to then
>>>>British-occupied Palestine (including future Israeli prime minister
>>>>Menachem Begin) was Adolf Eichmann; after the war the Holocaust
>>>>industry considered this secret so volatile and dangerous that Eichmann
>>>>was abducted by the Israeli Mossad and subsequently murdered in order
>>>>to silence him.
>>>
>>>
>>>In Canada there was adetailed story in Toronto Life about the roles of
>>>the Reichman and gestetner families in providing assistance to the
>>>Germans in WWII. The Jews are not happy about this public exposure,and
>>>have tried to restrict distribution of this news, which is available
>>>from the publishers in Toronto at Toronto Life.
>>>
>>>
>>>> 32. HOW MANY JEWS WERE IN AREAS WHICH CAME TO BE CONTROLLED BY
>>>>THE GERMANS DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR?
>>>
>>>> Slightly less than four million.
>>>
>>>> 33. HOW MANY JEWS FLED DEEP INTO THE SOVIET UNION TO ESCAPE THE
>>>>NAZIS?
>>>
>>>> Over two million. The Germans did not have access to them to
>>>>kill them.
>>>
>>>> 34. IF EUROPEAN JEWS WEREN’T EXTERMINATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>>>>HAPPENED TO THEM?
>>>
>>>> After the war most Jews emigrated to Palestine, the United
>>>>States, Argentina, Canada, and Great Britain. Except for about 300,000,
>>>>they are all accounted for.
>>>
>>>> 35. HOW DOES THE HOLOCAUST STORY BENEFIT THE JEWISH PEOPLE
>>>>TODAY?
>>>
>>>> It shields them from any criticism over their political,
>>>>economic, and social behavior. It is instrumental in raising immense
>>>>sums of “guilt money”, especially from the German government. It
>>>>justifies aid to the state of Israel totaling almost $10 billion
>>>>dollars per year from various sources. Israel has received almost $70
>>>>billion dollars in assorted “Holocaust reparations” and the ante is
>>>>growing every year. It is clearly in the interest of Israel and the
>>>>Jewish people to keep the scam going.
>>>
>>>> 36. ARE FILMS LIKE “HOLOCAUST”, “SCHINDLER’S LIST”, AND “THE
>>>>WINDS OF WAR” DOCUMENTARIES?
>>>
>>>> Hollywood movies are not history and are not intended to be.
>>>>They are fictionalized dramas. The characters in movies are actors, not
>>>>real people, who are being very highly paid for their portrayals of
>>>>events that did not in fact occur. They read their lines from a
>>>>screenplay written by Hollywood scriptwriters, a profession where Jews
>>>>are very highly overrepresented, as they are in the studios and the
>>>>creative and financial sectors of film making.
>>>
>>>> Hollywood is such an extremely unreliable source of history
>>>>that in recent years even mainstream reviewers and commentators have
>>>>begun to express doubt and suspicion over some films. For example, the
>>>>character of Oscar Schindler as portrayed by Liam Neeson in Spielberg’s
>>>>production of “Schindler’s List” was sanitized to the point of being
>>>>unrecognizable. Schindler was portrayed as almost saintly, and yet none
>>>>of those still living who remember the man have a single good word to
>>>>say about him. The real Schindler was a confidence artist, a thief, a
>>>>libertine and degenerate gambler who indulged freely in forced sexual
>>>>relations with young female camp inmates, who later abandoned his wife
>>>>and fled with his mistress to Brazil after embezzling a large sum of
>>>>money. Other major directors like Oliver Stone have come under fire
>>>>because their portrayals of historical characters like Nixon and events
>>>>like the JFK assassination reflect a paranoid obsession with the most
>>>>bizarre of left-wing conspiracy theories.
>>>
>>>> 37. ABOUT HOW MANY BOOKS HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED WHICH REFUTE SOME
>>>>ASPECT OF THE STANDARDS JEWISH CLAIMS ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST?
>>>
>>>> Over 100, with more in the works.
>>>
>>>> 38. BUT AREN’T ALL THOSE WHO QUESTION THE HOLOCAUST
>>>>ANTI-SEMITIC OR NEO-NAZIS?
>>>
>>>> Some are, although why such people should be denied the same
>>>>right to advance their viewpoint which liberal democracy grants so
>>>>freely to Jews and liberals in this purportedly free society is never
>>>>explained. The NSWPP is a National Socialist organization, although
>>>>unlike the Jews we acknowledge our identity and our ideological
>>>>position in the open. Most Revisionists, however, are academics,
>>>>genuine scholars who seek only the truth. Many hold liberal or
>>>>libertarian views, although these views often change as they are
>>>>subjected to the intense persecution which accompanies any deviation
>>>>from the official orthodoxy on the Holocaust.
>>>
>>>> 39. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HISTORIANS WHO DISPUTE THE OFFICIAL
>>>>VERSION OF THE HOLOCAUST?
>>>
>>>> A variety of unpleasant things. Significantly, the Jews have
>>>>always refused to debate the facts of the Holocaust openly with
>>>>Revisionists. An Internet group allegedly set up for this purpose
>>>>called Nizkor does not in fact debate Revisionists, but engages in
>>>>hysterical campaigns of ad hominem abuse against anyone who dares to
>>>>express any dissent or doubt in re Holocaust orthodoxy. It is clear
>>>>from many of the postings to Nizkor’s Internet playgroups that they
>>>>have attracted a number of people, mostly Jews but some left-liberal
>>>>Gentiles as well, who are motivated by intense racial bigotry and
>>>>ideological hatred of anyone who disagrees with them, and who in some
>>>>cases appear to be severely mentally and emotionally disturbed.
>>>
>>>> The Jews respond to any questioning of the Holocaust with
>>>>hatred, violence, and persecution, which in itself is the surest
>>>>giveaway that they have something to hide. In many countries those who
>>>>ask politically incorrect or searching questions about the Holocaust
>>>>are arrested, tortured, and imprisoned.
>>>
>>>> Dr. Robert Faurisson was assaulted by a Jewish gang who beat
>>>>him so badly that he was almost crippled. In California, a major
>>>>Revisionist bookseller’s offices were burned, and in Toronto
>>>>Revisionist author Ernst Zundel’s home was almost destroyed in an arson
>>>>attack. Zundel was subjected to a bizarre series of show trials lasting
>>>>over ten years, and after being finally acquitted he has been denied
>>>>Canadian citizenship and is still battling attempts to deport him to
>>>>prison and torture in Germany.
>>>
>>>> An American citizen, Gerhard Lauck of Lincoln, Nebraska, was
>>>>kidnapped by the German government and at this writing is serving a
>>>>lengthy prison sentence in Germany for the “crime” of writing
>>>>pro-National Socialist commentary IN THE UNITED STATES where it is
>>>>legal. Another American citizen, Hans Schmidt of Florida, was also
>>>>abducted, held in prison in Germany for almost a year, and released
>>>>only after an international outcry. Schmidt’s “crime” was writing a
>>>>pro-Revisionist article, in English, in a newsletter published and
>>>>distributed in the United States. German nationalist Manfred Roeder has
>>>>been imprisoned so many times he’s lost count. Revisionists have been
>>>>stripped of jobs and academic posts, denied tenure in universities,
>>>>victimized by harassing lawsuits, received bombs in the mail, and
>>>>subjected to constant death threats from Jews and Marxists.
>>>
>>>> THESE ARE NOT THE REACTIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. Innocent people
>>>>who are accused of a crime or a fraud do not respond by trying to kill,
>>>>imprison, or forcibly silence their accusers. More than anything else,
>>>>the behavior of the Jews and the governments they influence so strongly
>>>>proves that the Holocaust is a fraud. If the Holocaust was true,
>>>>neither the Jews nor any state authority would need to use force to
>>>>silence criticism, any more than force need be used against people who
>>>>believe the earth is flat. The arrests, imprisonment, assaults and
>>>>torchings are the moral equivalent of a full confession on the part of
>>>>the Jewish people that they are contemptible liars who have imposed the
>>>>most massive and vicious hoax in history on all of humanity, and have
>>>>used that hoax as an excuse to rob us blind, steal another people’s
>>>>country, and then to slaughter that country’s original inhabitants at
>>>>will, as according to National Public Radio they are doing even now as
>>>>I type this, in the town of Ramallah.
>>>
>>>> 40. HAVE THESE THUGGISH TACTICS SUCCEEDED IN SILENCING
>>>>REVISIONISTS?
>>>
>>>> No. They have only made Revisionists more determined than ever
>>>>to ensure that the truth comes out and that the nations of the earth
>>>>understand how the Jewish people have lied to them, defrauded them, and
>>>>robbed them for over half a century now with the Holocaust lie. There
>>>>can be little doubt that in succeeding generations the Holocaust will
>>>>be accepted by mainstream historians and the public at large for what
>>>>it is: a politically inspired hoax.
>>>
>>>>NOTE: This article was partially re-worked by me from material in a
>>>>pamphlet provided by the Institute for Historical Review. For further
>>>>information on Revisionism, the IHR may be contacted at
>>>>[email protected] – W.S.
>>>
>>> ———- Forwarded message ———-
>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>> From: stefan lemieszewski
>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>>
>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>>
>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>> titled “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.” If someone has access I would
>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>> Stefan Lemieszewski
>>>
>>> —————————————————————————
>>>
>>> North Shore News
>>> February 2, 1997
>>>
>>> Insights from abroad
>>> Doug Collins
>>>
>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>>
>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>> served in Hiler’s forces as high ranking officers.
>>>
>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>> about “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.”
>>>
>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>> was Erhard Milch, who “masterminded German aircraft production and
>>> transformed the Luftwaffe.” His father was Jewish.
>>>
>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of “mixed Jewish race or
>>> married to Jews.” They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>>
>>> Seventeen “Jews in Nazi uniform” were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>> Germany’s highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>> more. The research is continuing.
>>>
>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>> alive.
>>>
>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>> father, “wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle.”
>>>
>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>> whether they were “victims or perpetrators.”
>>>
>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>>
>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>> documents in the process.
>>>
>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler’s Germany; also that no Jew> could
>>> ever have fought for Hitler.
>>>
>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, “It makes
>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated.”
>>>
>>> He stated, too, that Rigg’s research would “inform both the argument
>>> about Hitler’s role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans.”
>>>
>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg’s research may be
>>> used by “deniers.” But most “deniers” do not deny that large numbers of
>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>>
>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>>
>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>> was a Jew.
>>>
>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>>
>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>> one were seen as “mixed race” and were also denied full citizenship.
>>>
>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>>
>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of “Aryan descent.” Milch, sentenced to a
>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>>
>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>>
>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>>
>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>>
>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>> wonder why?
>>>
>>> —The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>>
>>>
>>>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser
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On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:10:10 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:15:39 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>http://www.villagevoice.com/ink/news/21friedman.shtml
>>The Village Voice
>>22May98
>>The Most Dangerous Mobster in the World
>>According to the FBI and Israeli Intelligence, Semion Mogilevich Rules
>>Over an Arms-Trafficking, Money-Laundering, Drug-Running, and
>>Art-Smuggling ‘Red Mafia’
>>by Robert I. Friedman
>>In two posh villas outside the small town of Ricany, near Prague, one
>>of the most dreaded mob families in the world savagely murders its
>>terrified victims. The mob’s young enforcers, trained by veterans of
>>the Afghanistan war, are infamous for their extreme brutality. Their
>>quarry, usually businessmen who have balked at extortion demands, are
>>repeatedly stabbed and tortured, then mutilated before they are
>>butchered. The carnage is so hideous that it has scared the daylights
>>out of competing crime groups in the area.
>
>>The torture chambers are run by what international police officials call
>>the Red Mafia, a notorious Russian mob family that in onlysix years has
>>become a nefarious global crime cartel. Based in Budapest, it haskey
>>centers in New York, Pennsylvania, Southern California, and as far away
>>as New Zealand.
>
>>The enigmatic leader of the Red Mafia is a 52-year-old Ukrainian-born
>>JEW named Semion Mogilevich. He is a shadowy figure known as the
>>”Brainy Don”–he holds an economics degree from the University of
>>Lvov–and until now, he has never been exposed by the media. But the
>>Voice has obtained hundreds of pages of classified FBI and Israeli
>>intelligence documents from August 1996, and these documents–as well
>>as recent interviews with a key criminal associate and with dozens of
>>law enforcement sources here and abroad–describe him as someone who
>>has become a grave threat to the stability of Israel and Eastern Europe.
>
>>”He’s the most powerful mobster in the world,” crows Monya Elson, who
>>is listed in classified documents as one of Mogilevich’s closest
>>associates and partners in prostitution and money laundering rings. The
>>Brighton Beach-based Elson, who once led a pack of thugs and killers
>>known as Monya’s Brigada, is currently in the Metropolitan Correctional
>>Center in lower Manhattan awaiting trial for three murders and numerous
>>extortions.
>
>>In July 1993, after Elson was grievously wounded by rival mobsters in a
>>bloody shoot-out outside his Brooklyn apartment building, Mogilevich
>>spirited him out of the country. Mogilevich then set up his Russian
>>Jewish refugee friend in an alleged massive money-laundering scheme in
>>Fano, Italy, where he was eventually arrested and extradited back to
>>America. Elson, an integral part of the Red Mafia, had been one of the
>>most feared mobsters in Brighton Beach, ground zero for Russian
>>organized crime in America, which has exploded here following
>>perestroika.
>
>>”If I tell on Mogilevich, Interpol will give me $20 million,” boasted
>>Elson. ”I lived with him. I’m his partner, don’t forget. We are very,
>>very close friends. I don’t mean close, I mean very, very close. He’s my
>>best friend.” Nevertheless, after extensive interviews over the course
>>of the last six months, Elson ultimately confirmed some of the details
>>about Mogilevich contained in the classified FBI and Israeli documents.
>
>>Allegations of Mogilevich’s devilish array of criminal activities are
>>extensively detailed in the reports:The FBI and Israeli intelligence
>>assert that he traffics in nuclear materials, drugs, prostitutes,
>>precious gems, and stolen art. His contract hit squads operate in the
>>U.S. and Europe. He controls everything that goes in and out of Moscow’s
>>Sheremetyevo International Airport, a ”smugglers’ paradise,” says
>>Elson. Mogilevich bought a bankrupt airline in a former Central Asian
>>Soviet republic for millions of dollars in cash so he could haul heroin
>>out of the Golden Triangle. Most worrisome to U.S. authorities is
>>Mogilevich’s apparently legal purchase of virtually the entire Hungarian
>>armaments industry, jeopardizing regional security, NATO, and the war
>>against terrorism.
>
>>In one typical criminal deal, Mogilevich and two Moscow-based gangsters
>>sold $20 million worth of pilfered Warsaw Pact weapons from East
>>Germany, including ground-to-air missiles and 12 armored troop
>>carriers, according to the classified Israeli and FBI documents. The
>>buyer was Iran, says a top-level U.S. Customs official who requested
>>anonymity.
>
>>In another deal, an FBI informant told the bureau that one of
>>Mogilevich’s chief lieutenants in Los Angeles met two Russians from New
>>York City with Genovese crime family ties to broker a scheme to dump
>>American toxic waste in Russia. Mogilevich’s man from L.A. said the Red
>>Mafia would dispose of the toxic waste in the Chernobyl region,
>>”probably through payoffs to the decontamination authorities there,”
>>says a classified FBI report.
>
>>Mogilevich is particularly intrigued by art fraud. In early 1993, he
>>reached an agreement with the leaders of the powerful Solntsevskaya
>>crime family in Moscow to invest huge sums of money in a joint venture:
>>acquiring a jewelry business in Moscow and Budapest. The business,
>>according to classified FBI documents, was to serve as a front for the
>>acquisition of jewelry, antiques, and art, which the Solntsevskaya mob
>>had stolen from churches and museums in Russia, including the Hermitage
>>in St. Petersburg. The gangsters also robbed the homes of art
>>collectors and even broke into synagogues in Germany and Eastern Europe
>>to steal rare religious books and Torahs.
>
>>Mogilevich’s operation, again in collusion with the Solntsevskaya mob,
>>also purchased a large jewelry factory in Budapest. Russian antiques,
>>such as Faberge eggs, are sent to Budapest for ”restoration.”
>>Mogilevich’s men ship the genuine Faberge eggs to an unwitting
>>Sotheby’s auction house in London for sale, then send fake Faberge eggs
>>as well as other ”restored” objects back to Moscow.
>
>>MOGILEVICH’S EARLY years are murky. Soviet authorities first learned of
>>his criminal activities in the 1970s, when he was a member of the
>>Liubertskaya crime group that operated in the Moscow suburb of the same
>>name. He was involved in petty thefts and counterfeiting.
>
>>But Mogilevich made his first millions fleecing fellow Jews. In the mid
>>1980s, when tens of thousands of Jewish refugees were hurriedly
>>immigrating to Israel and America, Mogilevich made deals to buy their
>>assets–rubles, furniture, and art–cheaply, promising to exchange the
>>goods for fair market value and send refugees the proceeds in ”hard”
>>currency. Instead, he sold their valuables and pocketed the considerable
>>profits.
>
>>In the 1980s, he established a petroleum import-export company, Arbat
>>International, and registered it in Alderney, one of the Channel
>>Islands, which is known to be a tax haven. One of his partners–with a
>>quarter share of the company–was Vyacheslav Ivankov, the legendary
>>Russian criminal who in March 1992 became Godfather of the Russian mob
>>in America. Ivankov was convicted in 1996 of extorting two Russian-born
>>Wall Street stockbrokers. He now resides in Raybrook, a Federal prison
>>in upstate New York.
>
>>In early 1990, Mogilevich fled Moscow, as did many other dons, to avoid
>>the gangland wars that were then roiling the capital. Mogilevich and his
>>top henchmen settled in Israel, where they received Israeli
>>citizenship. He ”succeeded in building a bridgehead in Israel” and
>>”developing significant and influential [political] ties,” says an
>>Israeli intelligence report.
>
>>Mogilevich is married to a Hungarian national, Katalin Papp. That
>>marriage allowed him to legally emigrate to Budapest, Hungary, in 1991,
>>where he began to build the foundations of his global criminal empire.
>>He bought a string of nightclubs in Prague, Riga, and Kiev–called the
>>”Black and White Clubs”–that has become one of the world’s foremost
>>centers of prostitution. Monya Elson is a partner in the clubs,
>>according to his own admission and classified FBI documents. The Black
>>and White Club in Budapest became the hub of Mogilevich’s operations. He
>>quickly built a highly structured criminal organization, in the mode of
>>a traditional American mafia family. Indeed, many of the organization’s
>>250 members are his relatives.
>
>>To the consternation of international law enforcement officials,
>>Mogilevich began to legally purchase much of Hungary’s arms industry.
>>The legitimate companies he bought include:
>
>>-Magnex 2000: a giant magnet manufacturer.
>
>>-Digep General Machine Works: an artillery shell, mortar, and fire
>>equipment manufacturer, which was financed by a $3.8 million loan from
>>the London branch of Banque Francaise De L’orean.
>
>>-Army Co-op: a mortar and anti-aircraft gun factory. Army Co-op was
>>established in 1991 by two Hungarian nationals, both in the local arms
>>industry, who were looking for a partner. Mogilevich has bought 95 per
>>cent of Army Co-op through another Channel Island holding company,
>>Arigon, Ltd., and also deals extensively with the Ukraine, selling oil
>>products to the Ukrainian railway administration.
>
>>These transactions enabled the Mogilevich organization to become a
>>direct owner of the Hungarian armaments industry. In 1994, he purchased
>>a license enabling him to buy and sell weapons. Now a legitimate
>>armaments manufacturer, one of his companies participated in at least
>>one arms exhibition in the U.S., where it displayed mortars modified by
>>Israel.
>
>>Like mob bosses everywhere, Mogilevich couldn’t sustain his empire
>>without the help of corrupt police and politicians. There is one
>>documented example of a criminal associate of Mogilevich mingling with
>>American politicians. In March 1994, Vahtang Ubiriya, one of
>>Mogilevich’s top lieutenants, was photographed by the FBI at a tony
>>Republican Party fundraiser in Dallas, says an FBI report. Ubiriya, a
>>high-ranking official in the Ukrainian railway administration, has a
>>prior conviction for bribery in the Ukraine.
>
>>In Europe and Russia, the ”corruption of police and public officials
>>has been part of the Semion Mogilevich Organization’s modus operandi,”
>>says a classified FBI document. ”The corruptive influence of the
>>Mogilevich organization apparently extends to the Russian security
>>system. During 1995, two colonels from Department of the Russian
>>Presidential Security Service . . . traveled to Hungary under commercia
>>cover to meet with Mogilevich . . . seeking information for use in the
>>Russian political campaign.” An Israeli associate of Mogilevich met
>>with the two colonels and provided intelligence. Mogilevich also paid
>>off a Russian judge to secure Vyacheslav Ivankov’s early release from a
>>Siberian prison, where he was doing hard time for robbery and torture,
>>according to U.S. court records and classified FBI documents.
>
>>On April 28, the German national television network ZDF reported that
>>the BND (the German intelligence agency) had entered into a secret
>>contract with Mogilevich to provide information on the Russian mob.
>>The charges were made by several sources, including Pierre Delilez, a
>>highly regarded Belgium police investigator who specializes in Russian
>>Organized Crime. Because of this deal with the BND, police in Belgium,
>>Germany, and Austria have complained that it is now impossible to
>>investigate the ”Brainy Don.” If the television report is accurate,
>>one possible motive for BND’s deal, says a U.S. law enforcement expert
>>on the Russian mob, is that the Germans recently ”pulled their people
>>out of Moscow because they didn’t like the level of cooperation they
>>were getting from the Russian authorities on the Russian mob.”
>>Gangsters, said this source, often talk to intelligence agencies about
>>their rivals.
>
>>MOGILEVICH’S MAIN activity in the U.S. appears to be money laundering,
>>says a classified FBI report. He has set up companies in Los
>>Angeles–FNJ Trade Management–and Newton, Pennsylvania–YBM Magnex
>>International–as well as dozens of shell companies, which have
>>received more than $30 million from Arigon, Ltd., the center of
>>Mogilevich’s financial operations.
>
>>Last Friday, U.S. Attorney Robert Courtney, head of the organized-crime
>>strike force, led a a joint FBI, IRS, INS, and Customs raid of YBM’s
>>offices in Newton. Cartons of documents were seized, with Canadian and
>>U.S. police citing the company’s alleged ties to Russian organized
>>crime. YBM is publicly traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange, and two
>>days before Friday’s raid, trading in its stock was suspended by
>>Canadian authorities.
>
>>The president and CEO of YBM is Jacob Bogatin, a professor of physical
>>metallurgy. In May 1996, he contacted the FBI in Philadelphia to find
>>out why the INS had denied visas to YBM employees arriving from Hungary
>>and the Ukraine. When he was rebuffed, he had intermediaries step
>>forward and pester the FBI. The State Department has banned Mogilevich
>>himself from obtaining a U.S. visa because he’s on the department’s
>>watch list of international organized-crime figures. Nevertheless, he
>>has surreptitiously entered America under aliases and on visitor visas
>>issued in Tel Aviv to visit Elson and Ivankov.
>
>>Bogatin admitted during a telephone interview that Mogilevich owns his
>>company. When asked if he knew that numerous law enforcement agencies
>>here and abroad considered Mogilevich to be a leader of one of the most
>>ruthless organized-crime families in recent times, Bogatin replied,
>>”We have an investors relations guy. You want to talk with him about
>>this stuff.” He added that he had read allegations in the Eastern
>>European press that his boss was a Mafia don, but didn’t believe them.
>>YBM vehemently denies that it is connected to Russian organized crime or
>>has engaged in any criminal activities.
>
>>Bogatin is no stranger to the mob, however. His brother, David, a top
>>Russian crime figure who once served in North Vietnam for the Soviets in
>>an anti-aircraft unit, is now serving an eight-year term in a New York
>>State prison for a multimillion-dollar gasoline tax fraud scheme. Just
>>prior to trial, he had jumped bail, fleeing to Poland. There he set up
>>the first commercial banks, which moved vast sums of money controlled
>>by Russian wiseguys. (This after handing over his mortgages for five
>>pricey Trump Tower apartments to a Genovese associate. The mortgages
>>were liquidated and the funds were moved through a mafia-controlled
>>bank in Chelsea.) Eventually he was caught and returned to the U.S. In
>>the meantime, he lived like royalty in a five-star Viennese hotel,
>>surrounded by a praetorian guard of 125 Polish parachutists, some of
>>them bedecked in shiny gold uniforms.
>
>>Mogilevich has not refrained from associating with known killers in
>>America, prime among them Elson and Ivankov. A confidential informant
>>told the FBI that Vladimir Berkovich, an L.A. resident, is a chief
>>lieutenant in Mogilevich’s organization and has arranged contract
>>killings here, supplying the weapons and spiriting the killers out of
>>the country. The visas, says the report, were obtained through the Palm
>>Terrace restaurant, a watering hole for Russian gangsters, which
>>Berkovich owns. Berkovich told the Voice that he is aware of the
>>government’s charges, and that they are ”total bullshit.” Although he
>>has no criminal record in the U.S., Berkovich’s son, Oleg, was convicted
>>in Los Angeles of solicitation to commit murder on October 11, 1989. He
>>was sentenced to four years. Oleg’s business card identified his
>>employer as Magnex, Ltd., a company owned by Mogilevich in Budapest.
>>Oleg was recently arrested in Hungary on unspecified charges but was
>>released.
>
>>Oleg’s uncle, the colorful Lazar Berkovich, whose last known address was
>>New York City, arrived in the Big Apple after having survived a
>>shootout with Italian gangsters, says his brother Vladimir. The FBI
>>report claims that Lazar was head of Russian criminal activities in
>>Italy prior to his coming to America to recuperate from his wounds,
>>though Vladimir Bercovich denies that Lazar was ever connected to the
>>Russian mob.
>
>>Israeli and U.S. law enforcement sources agree that the Red Mafia,
>>though in existence for a mere six years, has become one of the most
>>formidable Russian organized-crime families in the world. Strongest in
>>the Ukraine, Hungary, the Czech Republic, and the U.S., Mogilevich has
>>increased his strength by forging ties with other powerful Russian mob
>>groups as well as with the Italian Camorra. His reported ties to the
>>German BND and ex-police officers in Hungary keep him informed of police
>>efforts to penetrate his organization. ”He also ingratiates himself
>>with the police by providing information on other [Russian crime]
>>groups’ activities, thus appearing to be a cooperative good citizen,”
>>says a classfied FBI report. This, along with his strong leadership
>>qualities, his acute financial skills, his talented and highly educated
>>associates, and his use of cutting-edge technology, has so far made
>>the ”Brainy Don” impervious to prosecution.
>
>>This document last modified Friday, May 22, 1998, 10:31 AM EDT.
>
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On 24 Dec 1998 21:21:32 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
Jews forging articles, as usual, wanted wo repeat the records from
history, about the JEWS/KGB and their murders of the Polish officers
at Katyn:
25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
the anti-Germans.
Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
Oswiecim?
On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>Igal wrote:
>
>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>W.W.II.
>>
>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>purposes.
>>
>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>
>Igal,
>I think you are wrong.
>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>
>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>
>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>such arguments.
>
>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>
>(…)
>
>………………………………………
>
>
> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
>
> ——————. UseNet alt.revisionism,can.general,qc.general,
> mtl.general. Subject: “OyVey Concerned About Quebec JEWS,”
> Date: Sep 27, 1996, Message-ID:
> [email protected]
>
> ——————. UseNet ns.general. Subject: “SYNAGOGUE CANTOR
> CONVICTED OF KIDDIE PORN IN HALIFAX!!!!,” January 7, 1997.
> Message-Id: [email protected]
>
> ——————. UseNet: ont.general,qc.general,mtl.general.
> Subject: “SYNAGOGUE LEADER IS KIDDIE PORN CRIMINAL!!!,” January 8, 1997.
> Message-Id: [email protected]
>
> ——————. UseNet soc.culture.lebanon,alt.revisionism.
> Subject: “SYNAGOGUE LEADER IS KIDDIE PORN CRIMINAL!!!,” January 8, 1997
> Message-Id: [email protected]
>
> ——————. UseNet alt.culture.saudi,alt.illuminati. Subject:
> “SYNAGOGUE LEADER IS KIDDIE PORN CRIMINAL!!!,” January 8, 1997
> Message-Id: [email protected]
>
> ——————. UseNet: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.german,
> soc.culture.quebec. Subject: “SYNAGOGUE LEADER IS KIDDIE PORN
> CRIMINAL!!!,” January 8, 1997
> Message-Id: [email protected]
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Subject: How to tell a Russian from a Jew, was Re: Jewish question
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:32:33 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 14:52:04 -0600, [email protected]
>(Vladimir Svetlov) wrote:
>>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Simcha Streltsov) wrote:
>>> in my experience, there always was anti-Russian sentiment in almost all
>>> Lithuanian circles – some folks asociated [Russian-speaking] Jews with
>>> Russians and did not like us
>>
>>I sorta knew it would come to that – anti-semitism as misplaced
>>russophobia… Of course, if not for well deserved anti-Russian sentiment
>>and some astigmatic Lithuaninas, there would be no anti-semitism among the
>>Balts. So, in order to avert any future confusion like this one here it
>>comes again, back by popular demand
>>
>>THE COMPLETE IDIOT’S GUIDE TO LOWER RACES, trans. from Aryan
>>
>> RUSSIANS – relatively large human-like mammals, pale in hue, may even
>>reach the size of a real Lithianian. No discernable forehead, squinted
>>Tartar eyes and big clumsy hands add to the above portrait of the average
>>Russian. Prefers keeping in hordes, which are regularly being pushed out of
>>Siberian taiga by something even more disgusting than Russians themselves
>>(probably the savage dog-headed wood elves), outward in the direction of
>>Europe. Thus every Lithuanian has to learn how to identify these animals in
>>the wild and to know how to deal with migrating Russians en route.
>>It was said that they can be as large as humans, but never quite so tall as
>>their backs are always bent due to their inherent affection to slavery.
>>Feed them on your own risk – as long as you feed the Russians they’ll stay
>>around and will disturb the peace and beauty of any imaginable local
>>(except in Hell!). When fed, Russians fall asleep immediately, unless
>>additionally intoxicated by alcohol – in the latter case they become
>>restless and start shouting their songs that make the fog horn sound
>>musical. Don’t try to help Russians out of your area by giving them
>>directions – they have no understanding of geography and only get confused
>>by words like “right” and “left”. In some areas giving Russians the wrong
>>directions has become a local tradition and a source of endless (albeit
>>somewhat rustic) amusement. As you’ve guessed, Russians can sometimes mimic
>>the human speech, but have no real understanding of it. Their own
>>communication system is no more pleasant to a refined listener than the
>>sound of a chainsaw cutting through a live pig. Pay no attention to it, it
>>is not meant to deliver any more information than the interior of the milk
>>carton.
>>It’s easy to handle Russians if you remember that the brute force and
>>natural command quality of the superior human race are the only things that
>>Russians take a notice of. A five year old child of a Lithuanian mother has
>>enough power in him to send a dozen of Russians packing. Raise the voice
>>and they run scared, back to the protective shadow of the woods. Edibility
>>- edible with Russian Dressing from Kraft Foods.
>>
>> JEWS – smaller than Russians (next to a Lithuanian a Jew appears like
>>nothing but a dwarf) and more dark-skinned. Bid deceiving eyes, huge nose
>>pointing downward, long worm-like fingers trembling with greed will shout
>>”A JEW!” right at you. Unlike Russians, Jew don’t form hordes; instead they
>>live in families where old Jews teach the young one the secrets of lying
>>and cheating. Jews are much smarter than Russians (oh, like that’s a big
>>achievement) and much harder to get rid off. No one knows where they came
>>from or where they will go, when they go away. A Jew would not be a match
>>for a fair Lithuanian lad in any sport, but they often get ahead whereever
>>their cheating, lying and stealing goes unnoticed. Even Russians don’t like
>>the Jews, not through systematic analysis and weighted judgement, like
>>Lithuanians, but through some native, druid-like gut feeling of the wild
>>wood dwellers. Jews never have pets of their own – unlike Russians, who
>>drag around their udly bastards of dogs and cats everywhere they set their
>>own dirty feet, Jews detest sharing their quarters with any living being
>>other than themselves. Or maybe it’s the living that are keeping away from
>>these creepy bloodsuckers. Edibility – don’t bother.
>>
>>The full text of this very useful and good-humored manual will be available
>>in the fall from Mein Kampf Publishing House in Vilnus. It will also cover
>>such important subjects as “33 ways to get rid of the Gypsies and their
>>eggs”, “Midgets – small people or big bugs?”, “There is a Russian on my
>>bus!”, “Odor management for a Jew-slayer”, “I did not know Russians ate my
>>newspapers untill I called my psychic”, “What you do not know about the
>>Jews may make your daughter marry one of them” and many more.
>>
>>For entertainment purpose only.
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On Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:31:29 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:57:37 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>
>>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.
>>>
>>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>>sensitive site.
>>>
>>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>>groups.
>>>
>>>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests and must be resolved as
>>>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are beginning to be perceived
>>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,” she added.
>>>
>>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>>site inevitable.
>>>
>>>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>>>
>>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site.
>>>
>>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex.
>>>
>>>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>>>
>>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar.
>>>
>>>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>>and nationalists.
>>>
>>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>>forgotten.
>>>
>>>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>>be removed.
>>>>
>>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated.
>>>>
>>>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the answer but the cross, all
>>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>>the-scene discussion.”
>>>>
>>>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, “But I don’t see any
>>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>>the moment.”
>>>
>>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>>>
>>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>>>
>>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>>international funding, are on hold.
>>>
>>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently.
>>>
>>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the “Judenrampe,” the
>>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign.
>>>
>>>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>>concrete, the crematories.”
>>>
>>>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda.
>>>
>>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,” wiping out most of
>>>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>>>
>>>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>>>
>>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>>>
>>>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland’s tiny
>>>>Jewish community.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:25:59 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:14:17, [email protected] wrote:
>
>On Wed, 23 Sep 98 20:34:05 GMT, [email protected] (Real Name:)
>wrote:
>
>> We need to re-orient it, though,
>>to the countless Aryan lives taken in
>>jewish contrived wars,
>
>>————Reply Separator—————-
>>On 9/22/98 4:24PM, in message
>><[email protected]>, NSWPP
>>
>
>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>By Sean Maguire
>>Sept. 14, 1998
>
>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a
>>gasoline can, a barking
>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden
>>crosses erected in a grassy
>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi
>>death camp of Auschwitz.
>
>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and
>>radical Roman Catholic with a
>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has
>>threatened to set himself on
>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him
>>and the crosses from the
>>sensitive site.
>
>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his
>>campaign he has managed to give
>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to
>>dog attempts to better
>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between
>>the country and Jewish
>>groups.
>
>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests
>>and must be resolved as
>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser
>>Agnieszka Magdziak
>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are
>>beginning to be perceived
>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,”
>>she added.
>
>>But even if the government quickly secures an
>>eviction order against Switon,
>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management
>>of the Auschwitz
>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further
>>conflict over the tragic
>>site inevitable.
>
>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>
>>At issue is the definition of what activity is
>>appropriate at a place where
>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5
>>million people, 90 percent
>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention
>>was needed to resolve a
>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent,
>>which was moved out, and a
>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near
>>the site.
>
>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest
>>graveyard of European
>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish
>>groups regard them as a
>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity
>>of the complex.
>
>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor
>>triumph in December when it
>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from
>>the dumping ground for
>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>
>>A discreet deal between the government and an
>>international Jewish coalition
>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope
>>John Paul prayed in
>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a
>>nationalist uproar.
>
>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses
>>is backed by an informal
>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker
>>groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>and nationalists.
>
>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics
>>with memories of Communist
>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from
>>patriots determined that
>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of
>>Poles died, not be
>>forgotten.
>
>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the
>>government took the
>>compromise position that the papal cross should
>>remain and all new crosses
>>be removed.
>
>>A U.S-led international Jew coalition, which has
>>broken off dialogue with
>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is
>>unlikely to accept the papal
>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the
>>presence of a church in an
>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent
>>decision to allow a parking lot
>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be
>>negotiated.
>
>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph
>>Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the
>>answer but the cross, all
>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should
>>be the subject of behind-
>>the-scene discussion.”
>
>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up
>>to provoke the Jewish
>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec,
>>“But I don’t see any
>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion
>>about the papal cross at
>>the moment.”
>
>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>
>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon
>>affair has stymied efforts to
>>sign a deal that would take the future of
>>Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join
>>NATO and the European Union
>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom
>>and an anti-Semitic
>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to
>>improve ties with Israel
>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>
>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a
>>renovation, preservation and
>>education program in 1996 and the state began work
>>on costly local
>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent
>>run-down town of
>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in
>>southwestern Poland, and
>>international funding, are on hold.
>
>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more
>>directly to Birkenau, two
>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an
>>extermination center and where
>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less
>>frequently.
>
>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by
>>the “Judenrampe,” the
>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from
>>across Europe were
>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with
>>weeds. The tracks
>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs,
>>were built in 1944 for
>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the
>>extermination campaign.
>
>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles
>>Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about
>>preserving barbed wire,
>>concrete, the crematories.”
>
>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a
>>better defined protection
>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is
>>permissible nearby and an
>>internationally accountable management board are
>>also on the agenda.
>
>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high
>>hopes for a new law
>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out
>>of local authority
>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes
>>managed parochially. The
>>law will cover camps where Polish political
>>prisoners died and where
>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,”
>>wiping out most of
>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>
>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main
>>Jewish circles because its
>>absence was previously a barrier to creating
>>dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>
>>But officials accept that, despite good will and
>>improving relations,
>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>
>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and
>>controversies will be with
>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a
>>leader of Poland’s tiny
>>Jewish community.
>
>
>Why should the cursed Christkillers dictate to the sovereign people
>of Poland, what Polish people may do in their own country??
>
>Why should the Polish people forget that it was the damned JEW-led KGB
>who murdered the 25000 Polish officers at KATYN??
>
>Why should the Polish people forget that it was the JEW-led soviets
>who occupied and enslaved the Christian Polish people??
>
>-88-
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On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:36 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:16:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>>Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>>gangster!!!
>>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:30:30 -0700, Clancy
>>>
>>>>Memorandum on Yitzhak Rabin’s participation in war crimes
>>>>By Elias Davidsson, Reykjav_k, Iceland October 1992. Revisions in December
>>>>1992 and December 1994
>>>>A number of Member States of the United Nations have declared their
>>>>interest and support for the establishment of an International Criminal
>>>>Court under United Nations auspices to deal with international crimes such
>>>>as war crimes and crimes against humanity. A Special Court to deal with War
>>>>Crimes committed in ex-Yugoslavia has been established under UN auspices
>>>>and has began functioning. There have also been calls by non-governmental
>>>>organisations and eminent citizens for the trial of individual leaders,
>>>>such as Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, George Bush and John Major, for their
>>>>alleged participation in war crimes. More and more people recognize the
>>>>importance of holding individual public leaders responsible for their deeds
>>>>and failings, not only politically and morally, but also legally.
>>>>International law provides some opportunities in this direction, which have
>>>>not been used yet.
>>>>
>>>>Such opportunity presents itself in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>1949. By signing these Conventions, each Signatory State undertook “to
>>>>search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be
>>>>committed, [such] grave breaches, and [shall] bring such persons,
>>>>regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.” A Signatory may
>>>>also avail itself of the possibility, under certain conditions, of handing
>>>>such persons to another Signatory State for trial.
>>>>
>>>>Since the Nurnberg and Tokyo trials in which the leading World War II
>>>>criminals were tried, no judicial body of any country has been willing to
>>>>initiate legal measures for the apprehension and trial of the world’s
>>>>leading war criminals, in spite of States’ legal obligations to do so.
>>>>States, including those claiming to support human rights, shield leading
>>>>war criminals from prosecution or provide them with shelter. Individuals
>>>>such as Pol Pot of Kampuchea, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Assad of Syria,
>>>>Pinochet of Chile and Mobutu of Zaire, are often, and justifiably, labelled
>>>>as enemies of Mankind. But none of them has ever been formally charged by
>>>>any Signatory of the Geneva Conventions, in spite of ample evidence of
>>>>their responsibility for international crimes. Other gross human right
>>>>violators (such as the leaders of Haiti) have been offered shelter in third
>>>>countries where they escape prosecution.
>>>>
>>>>The Israeli-Arab conflict, or more correctly the Zionist- Palestinian
>>>>conflict, has lasted for almost a century. In the course of this conflict,
>>>>many acts of violence were committed by both sides. But not every act of
>>>>violence committed in an international conflict is defined in international
>>>>law as a war crime or a crime against humanity. The difference lies both in
>>>>the nature of the crime, its extent, whether it is systematic or sporadic
>>>>and whether violence was committed against non-combatants, to name a few
>>>>criteria. Only the most odious crimes are considered as offences against
>>>>Mankind, which all states, individually and collectively, are required to
>>>>repress. The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional
>>>>Protocols of 1977, provide a list of such crimes.
>>>>
>>>>The present memorandum provides evidence about the responsibility of Mr.
>>>>Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli national and current Prime Minister of the State of
>>>>Israel, for acts committed under his orders and which are defined in the
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and their Additional Protocol I of
>>>>1977, as ‘grave breaches’, the technical term for war crimes. The
>>>>memorandum includes also a preliminary legal discussion about the acts in
>>>>question, the responsibility of Mr. Rabin and the duties of states to
>>>>prosecute.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Mr. Rabin Was Responsible for Ethnical Cleaning / Deportation in 1948
>>>>
>>>>On 12 July 1948, Lt. Colonel Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Operations Operation
>>>>Dani, issued the following order to Yiftah Brigade headquarters:
>>>>
>>>>”1. The inhabitants of Lydda must be expelled quickly without attention to
>>>>age. They should be directed towards Beit Nabala. Yiftah [Brigade
>>>>headquarters] must determine the method and inform [Operation] Dani HQ and
>>>>8th Brigade HQ. 2. Implement immediately.” The order was signed “Yitzhak
>>>>R[abin].”
>>>>
>>>>The implementation of this order is described in the authoritative book
>>>>”The birth of the Palestinian refugee problem, 1947-1949″ by Israeli
>>>>historian Benny Morris (Cambridge University Press, 1987) [pages 207-210]
>>>>and more in detail in Michael Palumbo’s book “The Palestinian catastrophe:
>>>>The 1948 expulsion of a people from their homeland”, Quartet Books,
>>>>London/New York, 1987 [Chapter VIII: The Lydda Death March].
>>>>
>>>>These publications offer further evidence about Mr. Rabin’s implication in
>>>>this event. The authors estimate that approx. 50.000 civilians (Arabs) were
>>>>expelled from Lydda and Ramleh under Mr. Rabin’s orders. As a prelude to
>>>>the flight hundreds of civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers. Many more
>>>>died in the ensuing `march to exile’. Although Zionist leaders claimed that
>>>>the expulsions were based on military necessity, the fact that the refugees
>>>>were not allowed to return and declarations by Zionist leaders about the
>>>>necessity to reduce the number of Arabs in the incumbent Jewish state lend
>>>>credence to the claim (by Palestinians) that the expulsions were part of a
>>>>planned ‘transfer’ policy by the Zionist authorities, in other words a
>>>>master plan of “ethnical cleansing”.
>>>>
>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of Lydda and
>>>>Ramleh (who have never been allowed to return) constitutes a grave breach
>>>>of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August
>>>>1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>
>>>>Article 85.5 of the First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of
>>>>12 August 1949 specifically refers to grave breaches as ‘war crimes’.
>>>>
>>>>2. Mr Rabin Ordered in 1967 the Destruction of 3 Villages and the Expulsion
>>>> of their Inhabitants
>>>>
>>>>In the 1967 war between Israel and Jordan, Yitzhak Rabin was Chief of Staff
>>>>of the Israeli Defence Forces. In this short war some 5.000 inhabitants
>>>>from three villages in the Latrun triangle between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
>>>>(Emwas, Beit Nuba and Yalou) were expelled by the Israeli army and their
>>>>villages totally destroyed. An Israeli soldier, Amos Kenan, who took part
>>>>in the expulsions, described these acts in a report sent to all Israeli
>>>>Members of Parliament. According to press reports, including one in
>>>>Jerusalem Post of 24 October 1991, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin admitted in Canadian
>>>>TV having given the order to destroy the villages. The inhabitants of these
>>>>villages were never allowed to return and rebuilt their village nor bury
>>>>their dead in the lands of their former village.
>>>>
>>>>The deportation of civilians constitutes a Crime against Humanity under
>>>>Article 6(c) of the Nnrnberg Charter and a grave breach of the Fourth
>>>>Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, as specified in Article 147 thereof.
>>>>The unjustifiable delay in the repatriation of the inhabitants of the above
>>>>three villages constitutes a grave breach of the First Additional Protocol
>>>>to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (article 85.4).
>>>>
>>>>In addition, the Geneva Conventions as well as their additional protocols
>>>>prohibit “at any time and in any place whatsoever….collective
>>>>punishments”. It seems that the destruction of these villages – every
>>>>single house in them – constitutes ‘collective punishment’ within the
>>>>meaning of the Conventions.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Mr Rabin Urged Israeli Soldiers to Break the Bones of Palestinian
>>>> Youngsters
>>>>
>>>>In mid-January 1988, Mr. Rabin, then Israeli Defense Minister, announced a
>>>>policy to restore order in the Occupied Territories by “force, might,
>>>>beatings”. More specifically, he urged Israeli soldiers to summarily (and
>>>>viciously) beat Palestinian demonstrators. Israeli soldiers implemented
>>>>this policy, breaking the hands or arms of many demonstrators with
>>>>methodically directed blows, using sticks and stones. In some cases,
>>>>Palestinian youngsters were rounded up from their homes, brought to remote
>>>>areas, and there, while a couple of soldiers held them, had their bones
>>>>smashed. The international outrage called forth by a 40- minute long
>>>>TV-film secretly shot, and showing how Israeli soldiers smash the bones of
>>>>a Palestinian youth, compelled the Israeli government to halt these
>>>>extra-judicial and inhuman punishments.
>>>>
>>>>Israeli soldiers, charged for using excessive force and brought to trial in
>>>>Israel, have testified that the orders for these practices originated from
>>>>above, including from Yitzhak Rabin. Although the Israeli press published
>>>>numerous testimonies, which all mention Mr. Rabin as the instigator of
>>>>these practices (i.e. Ha’aretz, 9. April, 1. July, 3. July 1990, Jerusalem
>>>>Post of 25 July and 30 June 1992), Mr. Rabin was never asked to testify in
>>>>court. No inquiry was initiated regarding Mr. Rabin’s role in these
>>>>policies.
>>>>
>>>>Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949, specifies as
>>>>one of the grave breaches (war crimes) “inhuman treatment….wilfully
>>>>causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health”. Protocol I
>>>>Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 (1977), lists among
>>>>the acts which remain “prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever,
>>>>whether committed by civilian or by military agents:”: “Violence to
>>>>the….physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular….(iii)
>>>>corporal punishment.”
>>>>
>>>> 4. Yitzhak Rabin Ordered in 1993 Indiscriminate Attacks of Civilian
>>>> Population Centers in Lebanon
>>>>
>>>>The Sunday Times, 1 August 1993, reported under the heading: Rabin’s war:
>>>>”Late yesterday, he [Rabin] called off his personal seven-day war in
>>>>southern Lebanon. (…) Rabin’s War – Operation Accountability – has killed
>>>>at least 130 and sent hundreds of thousands of Lebanese fleeing towards
>>>>Beirut. (…) Southern Lebanon had become a land without people.(…) About
>>>>80 villages have been hit.”. According to the London-based Middle East
>>>>International (MEI) of 6 August 1993, the “majority of casualties were
>>>>civilians. At least 55 towns and villages were very heavily damaged,
>>>>including Nabatiya, a major regional center with a normal population of
>>>>around 100,000.”
>>>>
>>>>According to the editorial of the same issue of MEI, this seven-day
>>>>bombardment of southern Lebanon was “expressly designed (as Mr. Rabin
>>>>himself announced) to render South Lebanon ‘uninhabitable’ and to create a
>>>>tidal wave of refugees so huge that it would destabilise the government in
>>>>Beirut and bend it to Israel’s will (…)”
>>>>
>>>>According to Lebanese government estimates (reported in MEI), “some 400,000
>>>>people – mainly Shi’ite Muslims – fled their homes in panic, with about
>>>>half of them converging on Beirut and its southern suburbs. While some had
>>>>families and friends to go to, others arrived with only the clothes they
>>>>stood in, and had no money to fend for themselves”.
>>>>
>>>>Both the Hague Conventions of 1907 and the Additional Protocol I to the
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 contain specific provisions that
>>>>prohibit attacks on civilian populations. Thus Additional Protocol I
>>>>specifies as a ‘grave breach’ (war crime) “making the civilian population
>>>>or individual civilians the object of attack” as well as “launching an
>>>>indiscriminate attack affecting the civilian population or civilian objects
>>>>in the knowledge that such attack will cause excessive loss of life, injury
>>>>to civilians or damage to civilian objects”. Further details are provided
>>>>by the Protocols, all of which lead to the conclusion that the Israeli
>>>>attack on South Lebanon constituted a ‘grave breach’ of international
>>>>humanitarian law. The individual who bears the primary responsibility for
>>>>the Israeli operation against South Lebanon is Yitzhak Rabin, in his double
>>>>capacity as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense.
>>>>
>>>>LEGAL DISCUSSION
>>>>
>>>>There are a number of legal questions that must be settled before charging
>>>>Mr. Rabin for participation in war crimes. Among these questions we can
>>>>mention the following: Are the facts allegedly attributed to Mr. Rabin
>>>>true? Are the sources trustworthy? What is the evidence that Mr. Rabin had
>>>>anything to do with these acts ? Do the acts under consideration constitute
>>>>prosecutable crimes under international law?
>>>>
>>>>Another set of questions would deal with the problems involved in bringing
>>>>a person such as Mr. Rabin to trial. These problems are of a similar nature
>>>>to those encountered today by the UN Tribunal on War Crimes Committed in
>>>>Ex- Yugoslavia. These questions will not be dealt here as they are
>>>>premature. However it is necessary to deal, if only summarily, with a
>>>>widely held opinion, according to which the whole question of the
>>>>prosecution of war criminals is a non-starter, because it is impossible to
>>>>bring the leading war criminals to trial due to their political status or
>>>>their country’s sovereignty. Although it is true that in many situations,
>>>>it is impossible to bring about the prosecution and apprehension of the
>>>>leading world war criminals, it is nevertheless of great public utility to
>>>>expose their crimes as widely as possible, isolate such people politically
>>>>and morally and cause small but significant changes of policy. Such
>>>>publicity would at least prevent that war criminals could travel between
>>>>world capitals in total impunity and be feted as peace heroes, as Mr. Rabin
>>>>has been. It might be argued that in some circumstances, an individual
>>>>charged of war crimes, might voluntarily seek due process, either to clean
>>>>his name, or to avoid extra-judicial retribution.
>>>>
>>>>The Authencitiy/Reliabity of the Evidence
>>>>
>>>>In all above cases there has been a wide coverage given by the press and in
>>>>scholarly works to the acts committed. There may be disagreement between
>>>>observers as to the number of victims and to details regarding the conduct
>>>>of hostilities.
>>>>
>>>>In the first two cases (expulsion from Lydda and Ramleh and expulsion from
>>>>the 3 villages around Latrun), there is no controversy about the fact that
>>>>the population of these two towns was expelled. A disagreement persists
>>>>regarding the aim of the expulsion. Israel maintains that the expulsion
>>>>were carried out because of military necessity. From the point of view of
>>>>international humanitarian law, it does not matter why a civil population
>>>>is deported. Such deportations are prohibited in all circumstances and
>>>>constitute war crimes. Furthermore, if it were true that a the expulsions
>>>>were carried out because of military necessity, the expelled would be
>>>>allowed to return to their homes, once the hostilities ended. But Israel
>>>>has not only refused to allow such return but allowed Jewish immigrants
>>>>from other countries to permanently occupy the abandoned houses in Ramleh
>>>>and Lydda and planted a park on the land of the villages destroyed in 1967.
>>>>
>>>>Ample evidence has been published in 1988 in the Israeli press and the
>>>>international press about acts of beatings and breaking of limbs by Israeli
>>>>soldiers. Such evidence includes also visual documentaries, testimonies by
>>>>Israeli soldiers and testimonies of victims. There is no controversy about
>>>>the fact that such acts were carried out.
>>>>
>>>>The last case, regarding the massive attack on South Lebanon, was reported
>>>>in the international press. The effect of the attack was documented in
>>>>great detail, particularly the flight of hundreds of thousands of civilians
>>>>from their homes in South Lebanon and their plight.
>>>>
>>>>Mr. Rabin’s Personal Involvement in the Above Acts
>>>>
>>>>As to Mr. Rabin’s personal implication in the above acts, this has never
>>>>been questioned by anyone. As quoted above, Mr. Rabin has publicly
>>>>acknowledged to have ordered the commission of the first two actions (1948
>>>>and 1967).
>>>>
>>>>While Mr. Rabin did not yet explicitly admit to have urged Israeli soldiers
>>>>”to break the bones” of Palestinian demonstrators, his declared policy in
>>>>1987/88 to crush the Palestinian uprising by “force, might, beatings” and
>>>>the numerous testimonies in Israeli courts by Israeli IDF personnel
>>>>implicating Mr. Rabin in such punishments appear sufficient to charge him
>>>>of instigating and condoning these acts.
>>>>
>>>>As for the IDF attack on South Lebanon in 1993, it can be assumed that it
>>>>was committed under direct orders from and permission by Israel’s Prime
>>>>Minister and Minister of Defense, Mr. Yitzhak Rabin. Although one might
>>>>argue that other Israeli nationals, primarily leaders of the IDF, were
>>>>implicated in this gross violation of international law, this does not
>>>>mitigate Mr. Rabin’s primary responsibility for this act.
>>>>
>>>>The Legal Status of the Above Acts under International Law
>>>>
>>>>Some Israeli legal scholars argue that the acts described above cannot be
>>>>described as ‘war crimes’ as they are grossly different in extent and
>>>>intent from the war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. According to this
>>>>view, only the most outrageous types of ‘war crimes’, as committed in World
>>>>War II, would qualify for universal juridiction. This narrow interpretation
>>>>of international humanitarian law is widely challenged because in practice
>>>>this would nullify the intent and spirit of the Geneva Conventions. Such
>>>>interpretation would thus be incompatible with the Law of Treaties. The
>>>>International Committee of the Red Cross, who have published the Geneva
>>>>Conventions and their Additional Protocols, have also published
>>>>authoritative and detailed commentaries on specific articles of these
>>>>treaties. These can serve as a source to evaluate the applicability of the
>>>>Conventions to these acts. The fact that the Geneva Conventions have been
>>>>violated with impunity by numerous states, has never been considered by
>>>>legal scholars as a practice diluting the letter and spirit of the
>>>>Conventions.
>>>>
>>>>The Geneva Conventions prohibit deportation both of groups and of
>>>>individuals in all circumstances. The expulsion of 5,000 or 50,000
>>>>civilians from their homes falls clearly under this heading. The Nuremberg
>>>>Principles, on the base of which Nazi war criminals were convicted, define
>>>>the “deportation … for any … purpose of civilian population of or in
>>>>occupied territory” as War Crime. These Principles define further the
>>>>”deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian
>>>>population….when such acts are done….in connection with any crime
>>>>against peace or any war crime”, as Crime against Humanity.
>>>>
>>>>There has been some controversy about the legal nature of exactions
>>>>committed by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian demonstrators,
>>>>particularly the beatings under custody. To beat a person he must be
>>>>already under custody. He thus must first be apprehended and therefore does
>>>>not represent any imminent danger to those detaining him. Any
>>>>extra-judicial attack or punishment upon his person constitutes a gross
>>>>deviation from accepted norms of civilized law (which require the due
>>>>process of law to determine a defendant’s culpability and punishment). The
>>>>Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not as specific as the Additional
>>>>Protocol I of 1977, which proscribes ‘corporal punishment’, although not as
>>>>a ‘grave breach’. The final legal determination of this offence would have
>>>>to be carried out by experts.
>>>>
>>>>As to the attack on South Lebanon, international law is quite explicit
>>>>about the prohibition of attacking civilian areas. The fact that Hizbullah
>>>>forces launched attacks against Israel from these areas does not relieve
>>>>Israel from the duty to observe the rules of warfare when launching
>>>>retribution. In launching and committing the massive attacks on wide
>>>>populated areas in South Lebanon and causing hundreds of thousands of
>>>>people to flee their homes, the IDF clearly and grossly violated the laws
>>>>of warfare. Article 85, paragraph 3 (a) and (b) of the Additional Protocol
>>>>I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 specify such attacks among the ‘grave
>>>>breaches’ (war crimes), if such attacks were committed “wilfully, in
>>>>violation of the relevant provisions of this Protocol, and causing death or
>>>>serious injury to body or health”.
>>>>
>>>>Do State Leaders Enjoy Immunity Against Prosecution?
>>>>
>>>>It is generally believed that State leaders are immune from legal
>>>>prosecution with regards to international humanitarian law, but this is
>>>>incorrect. The international community has accepted that a limited number
>>>>of crimes are so odious that their perpetrators are considered enemies of
>>>>Mankind. Such crimes include piracy, slavery, genocide, international
>>>>terrorism and war crimes, to name a few. It is the right and duty of all
>>>>nations to search and bring to trial individuals who have committed such
>>>>crimes, regardless of nationality and status. The Nuremberg Principles,
>>>>established in 1945 and incorporated into positive international law since
>>>>then, state:
>>>>
>>>>”The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime
>>>>under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government
>>>>official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law”
>>>>(Principle III. “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his
>>>>Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under
>>>>international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible for him”.
>>>>(Principle IV).
>>>>
>>>>Evidence provided by Israeli historian Benny Morris indicates that some
>>>>Israeli leaders and government members, such as Minister Shitrit, were
>>>>shocked by the expulsions from Lydda and Ramleh in 1948 and wanted to stop
>>>>them. Mr. Rabin choose to implement the expulsions by all means in spite of
>>>>such reservations.
>>>>
>>>>Conclusion
>>>>
>>>>There is ample evidence publicly available regarding the responsibility of
>>>>Mr. Yitzhak Rabin, currently Prime Minister of the State of Israel, in
>>>>instigating and ordering acts defined as war crimes in international law.
>>>>Summary of this evidence has been provided in this memorandum as well as a
>>>>short legal discussion.
>>>>
>>>>It is the obligation of the Signatories of the Geneva Conventions to
>>>>initiate legal procedures, either in domestic courts or through a
>>>>collective mechanism under UN auspices, for the prosecution of war
>>>>criminals. This duty is absolute and cannot be waived – legally – by
>>>>political or other considerations. In practice, leading war criminals, such
>>>>as Mr. Rabin, have not been prosecuted but feted. In today’s world, it
>>>>seems that one must have committed the most heinous war crimes to be
>>>>awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace. UN members are perceived as acting in
>>>>concert to shield war criminals. Such gross, systematic and persistent
>>>>derelictions by UN member states and signatories of the Geneva Conventions,
>>>>undermine the moral and legal authority of these states to ensure
>>>>international equity and peace. If the lawkeepers are themselves criminal
>>>>or help to shield leading criminals from prosecution, their legitimacy as
>>>>lawkeepers must be challenged for the sake of world peace and justice. Such
>>>>challenge can be moral, legal, political or military, depending on the
>>>>circumstances.
>>>>
>>>>Human rights’ and peace organisations who wish to see the rule of law
>>>>supersede the law of the jungle in international affairs and all those who
>>>>struggle for democracy, public accountability and justice, should therefore
>>>>avail themselves of the evidence provided here to publicize Mr. Rabin’s
>>>>deeds and press for his apprehension and prosecution, wherever he is to be
>>>>found.
>>>
>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser
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>On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach
>>wrote:
>>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>>> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>>> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>>world’s sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>>actual took place.
>>> NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON’T ADD UP
>>>
>>> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>>population for that year amounted “to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine.”
>>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>>> With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>>holocaust “survivors” had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>>that in the Jews real “bible”, The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>>> The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>>having been put to death “in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”
>>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>>these figures which today are accepted as “gospel truth”.
>>> It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>>”extermination camp”.
>>>
>>> HIMMLER-“REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”
>>>
>>> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that “The death rate in the
>>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” (Source,
>>>Reitlinger’s book, “The Final Solution.”)
>>> The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler’s
>>>order on Jan 20, 1943, “Every means will be used to lower the
>>>death rates.” (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>>> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>>in the “shockingly high mortality figures.” (Source: Nuremberg
>>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>>2.8% in June 1943.
>>> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”
>>> With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>>”Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>>Criminals”. It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>>
>>> THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>>
>>> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>>states in the paper, “Books and Bookmen”, April 1975, page 5,
>>>”No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.”
>>> The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>>
>>> This brings up the following questions.
>>> 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>>> 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>>MASS GASSINGS!
>>> 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>>died from typhus.
>>> 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>>the response was always the same, “The detainees themselves have
>>>not spoken of them.” (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>>1946.)
>>>
>>> FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>>
>>> Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such “confessions” are about
>>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>>1936. The communists wrote the “Confession’ and Hoess signed it.
>>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>>died in his cell.
>>> Hoess statement read, “half an hour after having released the
>>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>>smoking.”
>>> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not “ventable”. The manufacturers state
>>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>>workers ran into the gas chamber “eating and smoking” – without
>>>gas masks – only minutes after the gassing – IF THIS OCCURRED
>>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>>
>>> GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>>
>>> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, “The Capture and Trial
>>>of Adolph Eichmann” pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>>”became immediately gaseous.”
>>> The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: “We know of
>>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air.”
>>>
>>> CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>>
>>> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), “We knew when the people
>>>were dead because their screaming stopped.” If anyone were
>>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>>which carry typhus.
>>>
>>> THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>>
>>> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT’S ALL! In these three
>>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>>ovens were very small with only 18′ doors and a time period of
>>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>>> A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>>William L. Shirer’s book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>>Reich.” It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company’s ovens.
>>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>>> “The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>>burning.”
>>> WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>>> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people – this would
>>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>>ashes.
>>> It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>>could be found. The official answer was that it was “taken to
>>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!”
>>>
>>> WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>>
>>> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>>1967. “It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>>systematic extermination in those camps.”
>>> Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: “I was at
>>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.”
>>> Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>>”The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie – the
>>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time.”
>>> Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. “The
>>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.”
>>>
>>> WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>>
>>> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>>holocaust which never occurred?
>>> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, “Not
>>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists.”
>>> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, “The
>>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>>will cowtow to the Jews.”
>>> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: “The shattering effect of
>>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews.”
>>> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>>condemned as being “anti-Semitic” and “insensitive” to holocaust
>>>victims.
>>> The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>>laws.
>>>
>>> A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>>
>>> The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>>38 years. When they don’t use the holocaust the money collection
>>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>>
>>> HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>>
>>> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>>Zionist political goals.
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On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:25:45 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>From Deja News is the attached article,certainly worth further
>>discussion
>>On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:41:19 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:52:09 -0500, [email protected] (Eugene
>>>Holman) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Would any readers of soc.culture.polish care to comment on the claims made
>>>>here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1. WHAT PROOF EXISTS THAT THE NAZIS PRACTICED GENOCIDE OR
>>>>DELIBERATELY KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS?
>>>>
>>>> None. The only evidence is the contradictory testimony of
>>>>individual “survivors”, and no “survivor” claims actually to have
>>>>witnessed any gassing. There is no hard evidence whatsoever. No mounds
>>>>of ashes, no piles of clothes, no crematoria capable of doing the job,
>>>>no human soap, no lampshades made out of human skin, no records, no
>>>>demographic statistics.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand there exists extensive evidence of a
>>>>forensic, demographic, analytical, documentary, anecdotal, and
>>>>comparative nature which clearly proves the impossibility of such a
>>>>figure as six million Jewish dead, an exaggeration of possibly 1000%.
>>>> >I can offer some coins, stamps for collectors/collections, even a
>>>>> >military parachute, as well as Malaysian 22k plated gold jewellery.
>>>
>>>Quite frankly, by reading the attached text, which proves that almost
>>>half of the original 600,000 JEWs in Germany were in the German
>>>military, one MUST question the alleged figures used by the JEWS to
>>>extort money from gullible governments!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>> 2. HOW DID GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS DIFFER FROM AMERICAN
>>>>RELOCATION CAMPS WHICH INTERNED JAPANESE AND GERMAN-AMERICANS DURING
>>>>WORLD
>>>>WAR TWO?
>>>
>>>> Except for the name, the only difference was that the Germans
>>>>interned persons who were a real or suspected threat to the German war
>>>>effort, whereas the Americans interned persons on the basis of their
>>>>race or national origin alone.
>>>
>>>> 3. WHY DID THE GERMAN AUTHORITIES INTERN JEWS IN THE
>>>>CONCENTRATION CAMPS?
>>>
>>>> Because the Germans considered the Jews a direct threat to
>>>>their national sovereignty and survival, correctly as it turned out.
>>>>Jews were overwhelmingly represented in Germany in Communist subversion
>>>>during the Weimar period. On a per capita basis, Jews were highly
>>>>overrepresented in government, commercial, and media positions.
>>>>However, ALL suspected security risks, not just Jews, were in danger of
>>>>internment once the war broke out.
>>>
>>>> On March 24th, 1933, international Jewry declared war on
>>>>Germany and ordered a world-wide boycott of German goods simply because
>>>>the German government had removed Jews from influential positions and
>>>>transferred power back to the German people. The boycott order and the
>>>>Jewish war against Germany were reported in the world print and
>>>>broadcast media of the time. False stories of German “death camps” were
>>>>in fact circulated even before the outbreak of World War Two. Therefore
>>>>the German view of the Jewish people as enemy aliens would seem to have
>>>>been fully justified.
>>>
>>>> 4. DID SIMON WIESENTHAL ONCE ADMIT THAT THERE WERE NEVER ANY
>>>>DEATH CAMPS ON GERMAN SOIL?
>>>
>>>> Yes. In *Books and Bookmen*, April 1975 issue. He claims the
>>>>gassing of all the Jews took place in Poland.
>>>
>>>> 5. DACHAU IS IN GERMANY. IF EVEN SIMON WIESENTHAL NOW ADMITS IT
>>>>WAS NOT A DEATH CAMP, WHY DO THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN VETERANS SAY IT WAS?
>>>
>>>> Because after the Allies captured Dachau (and incidentally
>>>>murdered dozens of the former staff without trial), thousands of GIs
>>>>were led through the camp and shown buildings alleged to be gas
>>>>chambers. This story was later quietly expunged from official Holocaust
>>>>lore because it became too difficult to maintain in the face of known
>>>>fact and because Dachau was in the Allied occupation zone where access
>>>>to the camp was too easy and unrestricted.
>>>
>>>> En passant, the brief lifespan of the “Dachau death camp”
>>>>version gave rise to the first critical examination and questioning of
>>>>the Holocaust myth by historians and by some Allied veterans who
>>>>noticed discrepancies in what they had seen and what they read in
>>>>official accounts. It would be many years, though, before this early
>>>>Holocaust Revisionism gained momentum.
>>>
>>>> 6. AUSCHWITZ IS IN POLAND, NOT GERMANY. IS THERE ANY PROOF THAT
>>>>GAS CHAMBERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF KILLING PEOPLE EXISTED AT AUSCHWITZ?
>>>
>>>> No. The “gas chamber” exhibited to tourists at Auschwitz could
>>>>not possibly have been used to carry out executions; it is far too
>>>>small and it is not even airtight. In the 1980s, American expert Fred
>>>>Leuchter, who builds gas chambers for American penal systems, took
>>>>scrapings from the walls of the Auschwitz “gas chamber” for chemical
>>>>analysis. He found no cyanide residue at all. The Auschwitz exhibit is
>>>>a fake, pure and simple, a flimsy tourist trap.
>>>
>>>
>>>Were not the Krema at Auschwitz built by the Polish communists in
>>>1949, long after the war???
>>>
>>>
>>>> 7. IS AUSCHWITZ WASN’T A DEATH CAMP, WHAT WAS ITS TRUE PURPOSE?
>>>
>>>> It was a large-scale manufacturing complex. Synthetic rubber
>>>>(Buna) was made there, and its inmates were used as a workforce, in the
>>>>same way in which inmate labor is increasingly being used in
>>>>correctional systems throughout the United States today.
>>>
>>>> 8. WHAT ABOUT THE INFAMOUS ZYKLON-B GAS?
>>>
>>>> Zyklon-B is a commercially manufactured compound of hydrocyanic
>>>>gas. It has a number of widespread industrial uses, including the
>>>>fumigation of lice-infested clothing, the purpose for which it was
>>>>applied at Auschwitz. Zyklon-B is still manufactured worldwide and is
>>>>commonly used and available today.
>>>
>>>> 9. IF AUSCHWITZ WAS NOT AN EXTERMINATION CAMP, WHY DID FORMER
>>>>COMMANDANT RUDOLF HOESS CONFESS THAT IT WAS?
>>>
>>>> Hoess was captured by the Russians and Polish Communists and
>>>>brutally tortured. He signed his confession, the SOLE SOURCE for the
>>>>figure of six million dead Jews, in English, a language he could not
>>>>read. Some pages of the original document are literally stained with
>>>>Hoess’ blood. Hoess was then conveniently executed so he could not be
>>>>cross examined.
>>>
>>>> 10. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FULLY TO VENTILATE AN AREA FUMIGATED
>>>>WITH ZYKLON-B?
>>>
>>>> About twenty hours. The whole procedure is extremely involved
>>>>and technical. Gas masks have to be used and well trained technicians
>>>>only are employed.
>>>
>>>> 11. RUDOLF HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD
>>>>ENTER THE GAS CHAMBER TEN MINUTES AFTER THE JEWS HAD DIED AND REMOVE
>>>>THE BODIES. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS?
>>>
>>>> It can’t be explained, because it could not have happened like
>>>>that. Had the Germans done this they would have suffered the same fate
>>>>as the allegedly exterminated Jews.
>>>
>>>> 12. HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD SMOKE
>>>>CIGARETTES AS THEY PULLED DEAD JEWS OUT OF CHAMBERS WHICH TEN MINUTES
>>>>BEFORE HAD BEEN FILLED WITH GAS. ISN’T ZYKLON-B EXPLOSIVE?
>>>
>>>> Highly so. The Hoess confession is obviously false and the six
>>>>million figure as well.
>>>
>>>> 13. HOW COULD SUCH A MASS MURDER PROGRAM HAVE BEEN KEPT SECRET
>>>>FROM JEWS WHO WERE SCHEDULED FOR EXECUTION? HOW COULD THE POPE, THE
>>>>VATICAN, THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS, AND ALLIED MILITARY INTELLIGENCE
>>>>NOT KNOW?
>>>
>>>> Given the acknowledged efficiency and penetration of the OSS,
>>>>British MI5, and Soviet NKVD into the Third Reich, it could not have
>>>>been kept secret. Nor can one imagine any reason for the Allies, who
>>>>were fighting to destroy Germany, not to make use of such a potentially
>>>>powerful propaganda weapon, had there been any contemporary evidence at
>>>>all during the war that such an event was occurring.
>>>
>>>> 14. HOW MANY JEWS ACTUALLY DIED IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS
>>>>DURING THE WAR?
>>>
>>>> About 300,000.
>>>
>>>> 15. HOW DID THEY DIE?
>>>
>>>> Mainly from recurring typhus epidemics that ravaged war-torn
>>>>Europe during the period. Typhus is a disease which invariably appears
>>>>whenever people are jammed together for long periods without bathing.
>>>>It is carried by lice which infects hair and clothes. Ironically, if
>>>>the Germans had used more Zyklon-B for disinfectant purposes, more Jews
>>>>might have survived the concentration camps. Jewish prisoners (as well
>>>>as many others) also died from starvation and lack of medical attention
>>>>towards the end of the war when virtually all rail and road transport
>>>>had come to a standstill due to the intense Allied bombing campaign.
>>>
>>>> 16. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WHETHER SIX MILLION JEWS OR 300,000
>>>>DIED?
>>>
>>>> 5,700,00. The key question is whether or not there was a
>>>>deliberate, systematic attempt on the part of the Third Reich to
>>>>exterminate the Jews of Europe. The evidence clearly shows that there
>>>>was not, and the focus of world attention now needs to shift to the
>>>>identity, the activities, and the financial and political motivations
>>>>of those who have inflicted on all humanity for the past fifty years
>>>>the grotesque, slanderous, and evil lie that there was a “Holocaust”.
>>>
>>>> 17. MANY JEWISH SURVIVORS OF THE “DEATH CAMPS” SAY THEY SAW
>>>>BODIES BEING PILED UP IN PITS AND BURNED. HOW MUCH GASOLINE WOULD HAVE
>>>>BEEN USED TO PERFORM THIS ACT?
>>>
>>>> A lot more than the Germans had access to or could have
>>>>afforded to waste during the Second World War, that’s for sure.
>>>
>>>> 18. CAN BODIES BE BURNED IN PITS?
>>>
>>>> No. It is impossible for human bodies to be totally consumed by
>>>>flames in this manner as not enough heat can be generated in open pits.
>>>>[Note From Winston Smith: I can personally confirm from my own
>>>>observations of both Communist and American atrocities in both the
>>>>American and Rhodesian armed forces that it is impossible completely to
>>>>destroy human bodies en masse with either gasoline, napalm, or in any
>>>>other way in open pits. The Holocaust “experts” who claim otherwise are
>>>>either parroting what they have been told without bothering to check
>>>>their facts, or else they are lying.]
>>>
>>>> 19. HOLOCAUST AUTHORS CLAIM THE NAZIS WERE ABLE TO CREMATE
>>>>BODIES IN ABOUT TEN MINUTES. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO INCINERATE A BODY
>>>>ACCORDING TO PROFESSIONAL FUNERAL OPERATORS?
>>>
>>>> About two hours.
>>>
>>>> 20. WHY DID CONCENTRATION CAMPS HAVE CREMATORY OVENS?
>>>
>>>> To dispose efficiently and sanitarily of the corpses dead from
>>>>typhus and other diseases.
>>>
>>>> 21. GIVEN A 100% DUTY CYCLE OF ALL THE KNOWN CREMATORIA IN ALL
>>>>THE CAMPS IN GERMAN-CONTROLLED TERRITORY, WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF
>>>>CORPSES WHICH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE TO INCINERATE DURING THE
>>>>ENTIRE TIME THE CAMPS WERE IN EXISTENCE?
>>>
>>>> About 430,600.
>>>
>>>> 22. CAN A CREMATORY OVEN BE OPERATED 100% OF THE TIME?
>>>
>>>> No. 50% of the time is a very generous estimate, or 12 hours
>>>>per day. Crematory ovens have to be cleaned thoroughly and regularly
>>>>when in heavy operation.
>>>
>>>> 23. ON THE AVERAGE, HOW MUCH ASH IS LEFT FROM A CREMATED
>>>>CORPSE?
>>>
>>>> After the bone is ground down into powder, a separate
>>>>time-consuming process in itself, about a shoe box full.
>>>
>>>> 24. IF SIX MILLION PEOPLE WERE INCINERATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>>>>HAPPENED TO THE ASHES?
>>>
>>>> That remains to be “explained”. Six million bodies would
>>>>produce literally mountains of ash, tons upon tons. Yet there have been
>>>>no discoveries of any huge deposits of ash in the Auschwitz are or
>>>>anywhere else in Europe.
>>>
>>>> 25. DO ALLIED WARTIME PHOTOS OF AUSCHWITZ, TAKEN FROM THE AIR,
>>>>SHOW ANY SIGNS OF CREMATORIA IN FULL BLAST OPERATION?
>>>
>>>> No. These photographs do not reveal even a trace of the immense
>>>>amount of smoke which must have hung constantly over the camp, nor do
>>>>they show any evidence of the alleged open pits where the bodies were
>>>>burned.
>>>
>>>> 26. WHAT DID THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE
>>>>WHOLE “HOLOCAUST” ISSUE?
>>>
>>>> A report of the visit of an IRC delegation to Auschwitz in
>>>>September of 1944 pointed out that internees were allowed to receive
>>>>packages and that rumors of gas chambers could not be verified. The
>>>>full official report of the International Red Cross on the Second World
>>>>War makes no mention at all of the so-called Holocaust or any of the
>>>>wilder allegations connected with the so-called Holocaust.
>>>
>>>> Interestingly, in 1996, fifty years after the war’s end, the
>>>>liberal media in America and Europe began running a series of articles
>>>>claiming that the Red Cross was “full of Nazi sympathizers”. This
>>>>charge is entirely bogus and may be chalked up to belated Jewish
>>>>attempts at damage control as the Holocaust myth crumbles steadily in
>>>>the light of factual examination and critical analysis.
>>>
>>>> 27. IS THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK GENUINE?
>>>
>>>> Not as published, no. The evidence compiled by Dietlieb
>>>>Felderer of Sweden and Dr. Robert Faurisson of France proves
>>>>conclusively that the published version of the famous diary is a
>>>>literary hoax. There was a girl named Anne Frank, and sections of the
>>>>diary appear to be genuine, including several wherein she describes
>>>>adolescent lesbian sexual experiences which were later excised from the
>>>>published text.
>>>
>>>> In 1950 Anne Frank’s father sued author Meyer Levin, the actual
>>>>writer of the diary, over royalties from the book. A Jewish judge in
>>>>New York ordered the records of the court case sealed for 100 years.
>>>>When the original diary was put on display a few years later, it was
>>>>noticed that the most poignant sections of the book were interpolations
>>>>written in a forged handwriting in BALL POINT PEN, a writing instrument
>>>>which was not invented until 1950. The original diary was swiftly
>>>>removed from exhibit and whisked away into a safety deposit box in
>>>>Israel. It has never been produced for examination since then despite
>>>>repeated attempts by scholars to view it.
>>>
>>>> 28. WHAT ABOUT ALL THE NUMEROUS PHOTOGRAPHS AND FILM FOOTAGE
>>>>ALLEGEDLY TAKEN IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS SHOWING EMACIATED CORPSES
>>>>AND PEOPLE? ARE THESE FAKED?
>>>
>>>> Some are, but most of the fakery lies in the captioning.
>>>>Corpses of German air raid victims, for example, are labeled as dead
>>>>Jews. One famous and oft-reprinted photo purports to show a “Nazi SS
>>>>man” about to shoot a mother holding her child; on closer examination
>>>>of the blurry print with a magnifying glass, it is clear to military
>>>>historians familiar with the uniforms and weapons of the period that
>>>>the killer is a Red Army soldier wielding a Russian-made carbine.
>>>
>>>> (The Exterminationist habit of blaming the Germans for
>>>>atrocities actually carried out by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin
>>>>remains common, even though some of the more notorious examples like
>>>>the Katyn Forest massacre of Polish prisoners have now been properly
>>>>laid at the door of the Kremlin. That this kind of fraud continues to
>>>>be perpetrated by Holocaust “experts” is not surprising in view of the
>>>>fact that almost all of them espouse Marxist or extreme left-wing views
>>>>and are as quick to apologize for and explain away Stalin’s butcheries
>>>>as they are to invent fraudulent crimes attributed to Adolf Hitler. The
>>>>almost universally leftist political and social orientation of
>>>>Holocaust defenders is important and should always be born in mind when
>>>>examining their claims; letting Stalin off the hook is almost as
>>>>important to them as blackening and defaming the memory of Hitler and
>>>>the German people. A good example of this is Nizkor leader Ken McVay’s
>>>>refusal to accept any more NSWPP e-mail after General Secretary Smith
>>>>asked him why he did not condemn the mass murders of Stalin.)
>>>
>>>> 29. WHAT WAS THE ROLE OF THE VATICAN DURING THE TIME IN WHICH
>>>>SIX MILLION JEWS WERE ALLEGEDLY EXTERMINATED?
>>>
>>>> Had there been an extermination plan being carried out in a
>>>>predominantly Catholic country like Poland, the Vatican would certainly
>>>>have been in a position to learn about it. Since no such plan existed,
>>>>the Vatican had no need to speak out about it.
>>>
>>>> 30. WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT ADOLF HITLER ORDERED THE
>>>>EXTERMINATION OF THE JEWS?
>>>
>>>> None. No documentary evidence of any kind indicating a
>>>>deliberate extermination plan on the part of the Nazis has ever come to
>>>>light. No signed order from Hitler, from Reichsfuhrer-SS Heinrich
>>>>Himmler, or from any other functionary of the Third Reich ordering the
>>>>extermination of the Jews has ever been discovered. The Nazis were
>>>>meticulous records-keepers and literally tons of documents were seized
>>>>by the Allies at the end of the war, so many it took Allied archivists
>>>>and scholars years to organize, file, and catalog them all. Nothing.
>>>>Zip. Nada.
>>>
>>>> 31. DID THE GERMANS AND THE ZIONISTS COLLABORATE BEFORE AND
>>>>DURING THE WAR?
>>>
>>>> Absolutely. Both groups were interested in removing the Jews
>>>>from Europe (the Zionists wanted the Jews shipped to Palestine) and
>>>>they maintained friendly relations throughout the war. The German
>>>>official in charge of shipping thousands of Jews to then
>>>>British-occupied Palestine (including future Israeli prime minister
>>>>Menachem Begin) was Adolf Eichmann; after the war the Holocaust
>>>>industry considered this secret so volatile and dangerous that Eichmann
>>>>was abducted by the Israeli Mossad and subsequently murdered in order
>>>>to silence him.
>>>
>>>
>>>In Canada there was adetailed story in Toronto Life about the roles of
>>>the Reichman and gestetner families in providing assistance to the
>>>Germans in WWII. The Jews are not happy about this public exposure,and
>>>have tried to restrict distribution of this news, which is available
>>>from the publishers in Toronto at Toronto Life.
>>>
>>>
>>>> 32. HOW MANY JEWS WERE IN AREAS WHICH CAME TO BE CONTROLLED BY
>>>>THE GERMANS DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR?
>>>
>>>> Slightly less than four million.
>>>
>>>> 33. HOW MANY JEWS FLED DEEP INTO THE SOVIET UNION TO ESCAPE THE
>>>>NAZIS?
>>>
>>>> Over two million. The Germans did not have access to them to
>>>>kill them.
>>>
>>>> 34. IF EUROPEAN JEWS WEREN’T EXTERMINATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>>>>HAPPENED TO THEM?
>>>
>>>> After the war most Jews emigrated to Palestine, the United
>>>>States, Argentina, Canada, and Great Britain. Except for about 300,000,
>>>>they are all accounted for.
>>>
>>>> 35. HOW DOES THE HOLOCAUST STORY BENEFIT THE JEWISH PEOPLE
>>>>TODAY?
>>>
>>>> It shields them from any criticism over their political,
>>>>economic, and social behavior. It is instrumental in raising immense
>>>>sums of “guilt money”, especially from the German government. It
>>>>justifies aid to the state of Israel totaling almost $10 billion
>>>>dollars per year from various sources. Israel has received almost $70
>>>>billion dollars in assorted “Holocaust reparations” and the ante is
>>>>growing every year. It is clearly in the interest of Israel and the
>>>>Jewish people to keep the scam going.
>>>
>>>> 36. ARE FILMS LIKE “HOLOCAUST”, “SCHINDLER’S LIST”, AND “THE
>>>>WINDS OF WAR” DOCUMENTARIES?
>>>
>>>> Hollywood movies are not history and are not intended to be.
>>>>They are fictionalized dramas. The characters in movies are actors, not
>>>>real people, who are being very highly paid for their portrayals of
>>>>events that did not in fact occur. They read their lines from a
>>>>screenplay written by Hollywood scriptwriters, a profession where Jews
>>>>are very highly overrepresented, as they are in the studios and the
>>>>creative and financial sectors of film making.
>>>
>>>> Hollywood is such an extremely unreliable source of history
>>>>that in recent years even mainstream reviewers and commentators have
>>>>begun to express doubt and suspicion over some films. For example, the
>>>>character of Oscar Schindler as portrayed by Liam Neeson in Spielberg’s
>>>>production of “Schindler’s List” was sanitized to the point of being
>>>>unrecognizable. Schindler was portrayed as almost saintly, and yet none
>>>>of those still living who remember the man have a single good word to
>>>>say about him. The real Schindler was a confidence artist, a thief, a
>>>>libertine and degenerate gambler who indulged freely in forced sexual
>>>>relations with young female camp inmates, who later abandoned his wife
>>>>and fled with his mistress to Brazil after embezzling a large sum of
>>>>money. Other major directors like Oliver Stone have come under fire
>>>>because their portrayals of historical characters like Nixon and events
>>>>like the JFK assassination reflect a paranoid obsession with the most
>>>>bizarre of left-wing conspiracy theories.
>>>
>>>> 37. ABOUT HOW MANY BOOKS HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED WHICH REFUTE SOME
>>>>ASPECT OF THE STANDARDS JEWISH CLAIMS ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST?
>>>
>>>> Over 100, with more in the works.
>>>
>>>> 38. BUT AREN’T ALL THOSE WHO QUESTION THE HOLOCAUST
>>>>ANTI-SEMITIC OR NEO-NAZIS?
>>>
>>>> Some are, although why such people should be denied the same
>>>>right to advance their viewpoint which liberal democracy grants so
>>>>freely to Jews and liberals in this purportedly free society is never
>>>>explained. The NSWPP is a National Socialist organization, although
>>>>unlike the Jews we acknowledge our identity and our ideological
>>>>position in the open. Most Revisionists, however, are academics,
>>>>genuine scholars who seek only the truth. Many hold liberal or
>>>>libertarian views, although these views often change as they are
>>>>subjected to the intense persecution which accompanies any deviation
>>>>from the official orthodoxy on the Holocaust.
>>>
>>>> 39. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HISTORIANS WHO DISPUTE THE OFFICIAL
>>>>VERSION OF THE HOLOCAUST?
>>>
>>>> A variety of unpleasant things. Significantly, the Jews have
>>>>always refused to debate the facts of the Holocaust openly with
>>>>Revisionists. An Internet group allegedly set up for this purpose
>>>>called Nizkor does not in fact debate Revisionists, but engages in
>>>>hysterical campaigns of ad hominem abuse against anyone who dares to
>>>>express any dissent or doubt in re Holocaust orthodoxy. It is clear
>>>>from many of the postings to Nizkor’s Internet playgroups that they
>>>>have attracted a number of people, mostly Jews but some left-liberal
>>>>Gentiles as well, who are motivated by intense racial bigotry and
>>>>ideological hatred of anyone who disagrees with them, and who in some
>>>>cases appear to be severely mentally and emotionally disturbed.
>>>
>>>> The Jews respond to any questioning of the Holocaust with
>>>>hatred, violence, and persecution, which in itself is the surest
>>>>giveaway that they have something to hide. In many countries those who
>>>>ask politically incorrect or searching questions about the Holocaust
>>>>are arrested, tortured, and imprisoned.
>>>
>>>> Dr. Robert Faurisson was assaulted by a Jewish gang who beat
>>>>him so badly that he was almost crippled. In California, a major
>>>>Revisionist bookseller’s offices were burned, and in Toronto
>>>>Revisionist author Ernst Zundel’s home was almost destroyed in an arson
>>>>attack. Zundel was subjected to a bizarre series of show trials lasting
>>>>over ten years, and after being finally acquitted he has been denied
>>>>Canadian citizenship and is still battling attempts to deport him to
>>>>prison and torture in Germany.
>>>
>>>> An American citizen, Gerhard Lauck of Lincoln, Nebraska, was
>>>>kidnapped by the German government and at this writing is serving a
>>>>lengthy prison sentence in Germany for the “crime” of writing
>>>>pro-National Socialist commentary IN THE UNITED STATES where it is
>>>>legal. Another American citizen, Hans Schmidt of Florida, was also
>>>>abducted, held in prison in Germany for almost a year, and released
>>>>only after an international outcry. Schmidt’s “crime” was writing a
>>>>pro-Revisionist article, in English, in a newsletter published and
>>>>distributed in the United States. German nationalist Manfred Roeder has
>>>>been imprisoned so many times he’s lost count. Revisionists have been
>>>>stripped of jobs and academic posts, denied tenure in universities,
>>>>victimized by harassing lawsuits, received bombs in the mail, and
>>>>subjected to constant death threats from Jews and Marxists.
>>>
>>>> THESE ARE NOT THE REACTIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. Innocent people
>>>>who are accused of a crime or a fraud do not respond by trying to kill,
>>>>imprison, or forcibly silence their accusers. More than anything else,
>>>>the behavior of the Jews and the governments they influence so strongly
>>>>proves that the Holocaust is a fraud. If the Holocaust was true,
>>>>neither the Jews nor any state authority would need to use force to
>>>>silence criticism, any more than force need be used against people who
>>>>believe the earth is flat. The arrests, imprisonment, assaults and
>>>>torchings are the moral equivalent of a full confession on the part of
>>>>the Jewish people that they are contemptible liars who have imposed the
>>>>most massive and vicious hoax in history on all of humanity, and have
>>>>used that hoax as an excuse to rob us blind, steal another people’s
>>>>country, and then to slaughter that country’s original inhabitants at
>>>>will, as according to National Public Radio they are doing even now as
>>>>I type this, in the town of Ramallah.
>>>
>>>> 40. HAVE THESE THUGGISH TACTICS SUCCEEDED IN SILENCING
>>>>REVISIONISTS?
>>>
>>>> No. They have only made Revisionists more determined than ever
>>>>to ensure that the truth comes out and that the nations of the earth
>>>>understand how the Jewish people have lied to them, defrauded them, and
>>>>robbed them for over half a century now with the Holocaust lie. There
>>>>can be little doubt that in succeeding generations the Holocaust will
>>>>be accepted by mainstream historians and the public at large for what
>>>>it is: a politically inspired hoax.
>>>
>>>>NOTE: This article was partially re-worked by me from material in a
>>>>pamphlet provided by the Institute for Historical Review. For further
>>>>information on Revisionism, the IHR may be contacted at
>>>>[email protected] – W.S.
>>>
>>> ———- Forwarded message ———-
>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>> From: stefan lemieszewski
>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>>
>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>>
>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>> titled “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.” If someone has access I would
>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>> Stefan Lemieszewski
>>>
>>> —————————————————————————
>>>
>>> North Shore News
>>> February 2, 1997
>>>
>>> Insights from abroad
>>> Doug Collins
>>>
>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>>
>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>> served in Hiler’s forces as high ranking officers.
>>>
>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>> about “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.”
>>>
>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>> was Erhard Milch, who “masterminded German aircraft production and
>>> transformed the Luftwaffe.” His father was Jewish.
>>>
>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of “mixed Jewish race or
>>> married to Jews.” They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>>
>>> Seventeen “Jews in Nazi uniform” were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>> Germany’s highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>> more. The research is continuing.
>>>
>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>> alive.
>>>
>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>> father, “wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle.”
>>>
>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>> whether they were “victims or perpetrators.”
>>>
>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>>
>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>> documents in the process.
>>>
>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler’s Germany; also that no Jew> could
>>> ever have fought for Hitler.
>>>
>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, “It makes
>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated.”
>>>
>>> He stated, too, that Rigg’s research would “inform both the argument
>>> about Hitler’s role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans.”
>>>
>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg’s research may be
>>> used by “deniers.” But most “deniers” do not deny that large numbers of
>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>>
>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>>
>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>> was a Jew.
>>>
>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>>
>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>> one were seen as “mixed race” and were also denied full citizenship.
>>>
>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>>
>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of “Aryan descent.” Milch, sentenced to a
>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>>
>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>>
>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>>
>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>>
>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>> wonder why?
>>>
>>> —The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>>
>>>
>>>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser
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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments.
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>>
>>(…)
>>
>>………………………………………
>>
>>
>> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
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Subject: Trotsky and his Jew Bolsheviks
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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:00:29 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:23:16 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Thu, 02 Oct 1997 02:44:25 GMT, [email protected] (Doc
>>Tavish II) wrote:
>>>Well I’ll declare; another EDU web site and it has material on
>>>Communists and who they were!
>>>Look:
>>>Originally named Lev Davidovich Bronstein, Trotsky was born on
>>>November 7, 1879, in Kherson Province in Ukraine, the son of Russified
>>>Jews. He was educated in Odessa and in Mykolayiv and was a star pupil
>>>with enormous intellectual capabilities.
>>>
>>>Trotsky’s political involvement began in 1896 in a circle of Mykolayiv
>>>Populists, but he soon converted to Marxism. After a brief stay at
>>>Odessa University, he returned to Mykolayiv in 1897 to organize the
>>>Southern Russian Workers Union. For this he was arrested, jailed, and
>>>exiled. He escaped from Siberian exile in 1902, fleeing to Europe and
>>>adopting the pseudonym Trotsky. Abroad he joined Lenin, L. Martov,
>>>Georgy Plekhanov, and other Russian Social-Democrats, who were
>>>publishing Iskra (The Spark). By vitue of his flair for polemic
>>>writing and oratorical brilliance, he quickly rose in the party.
>>>
>>>At the party’s Second Congress in 1903 Trotsky opposed Lenin and the
>>>Bolsheviks, siding with the Mensheviks. His characteristic
>>>independence, however, kept him from cementing any organizational
>>>ties. Alone of the major party leaders, he rushed back to Russia to be
>>>an active participant in the 1905 Revolution, where he gained
>>>practical experience as chairman of the Saint Petersburg Soviet of
>>>Workers Deputies. Jailed in December 1905 and later exiled to Siberia,
>>>Trotsky used his time to reconsider the paradoxes of revolution in
>>>backward Russia. He synthesized his thoughts in two books, 1905 and
>>>Results and Prospects.
>>>
>>>Escaping from Siberia in 1907, Trotsky spent the next decade defending
>>>his ideas and engaging in émigré squabbling. The March Revolution of
>>>1917 caught him by surprise in New York City, where he wrote for a
>>>Russian newspaper. Trotsky reached Russia in May, quickly assumed
>>>leadership of the independent left Social-Democratic Interdistrict
>>>Group, and joined the Petrograd (as St. Petersburg was renamed)
>>>Soviet. Within weeks, he had gained enormous popularity as the most
>>>eloquent agitator of the Soviet left. In July, after being courted by
>>>Lenin, he joined the Bolshevik party and was elected to its Central
>>>Committee.
>>>
>>>As a Bolshevik, Trotsky was elected chairman of the Soviet in
>>>September. He sided with Lenin on the need to overthrow the
>>>provisional government and devoted all his energies to marshaling
>>>support for the armed uprising of the Bolsheviks. With Lenin in
>>>hiding, Trotsky was the general in charge, and he successfully
>>>directed the masses of workers and soldiers in the November
>>>revolution……
>>>
>>>Above found at:
>>>http://www.idbsu.edu/surveyrc/Staff/jaynes/marxism/bios/trotsky.htm
>>>
>>>Let’s review: Trotsky was a Jew actually named Bronstein, he was in
>>>New York City for a while and he was elected chairman of the Soviet!
>>>
>>>Does this make sense now? Soviets were Jews?
>>>
>>>From Lucy Dawidowicz’s book The War Against the Jews 1933-1945 by
>>>Bantam #13084-6 says on page 377: “Exploiting the superstitious
>>>anti-Semitic prejudices of the Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians
>>>and activating their accumulated hatred for the Soviets, the Germans
>>>harnessed the violent energies of these willing collaborates to round
>>>up and kill Jews.”
>>>
>>>I now ask: “How could the Ukrainians have been anti-Semitic toward the
>>>Soviets, if the Soviets weren’t in fact Jews? Because the Soviet Union
>>>was a Jewish conceived and run totalitarian state!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Link to UK site on Russian Revolution:
>>>
>>>http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/russ/rusrev.html
>>>
>>>Try also:
>>>
>>>http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/Archive/1930-HRR/
>>>
>>>More on Leo Bronstein (I mean Trotsky!)
>>>Try:
>>>http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/
>>>
>>>which states:
>>>
>>>”Lev Davidovich Bronstein. Leader of the Russian Revolution. Architect
>>>of the Red Army. Commissar of foreign affairs between 1917-1924.”
>>>Let’s see ol’ Bronstein was the Leader of the Revolution and the
>>>Architect of the Red Army too!
>>>
>>>The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia stated:
>>>
>>>”Whatever the racial antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet
>>>commissariats were largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in
>>>the Communist movement was well understood in Russia. The White Armies
>>>which opposed the Bolshevik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks as
>>>common enemies” (Univ. Jew Encyc., Vol. I, p. 336).
>>>
>>>Consider this:
>>>
>>>Among the Jews who remained in Russia, which then included Lithuania,
>>>Ukraine (A History of Ukraine, Michael Hrushevsky, Yale University
>>>Press, 1941, passim), and much of Poland, were the founders of the
>>>Russian Bolshevik party.
>>>
>>>In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland
>>>and Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large
>>>scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article
>>>on “Communism” by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp
>>>824-827).
>>>
>>>Look the United States Governmet has now at its Library of Congress
>>>the Soviet Exhibit that I posted recently!
>>>
>>>Here is the link:
>>>
>>>http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Experimental/soviet.exhibit/soviet.archive.html
>>>
>>>You will run across this:
>>>
>>>Welcome to the Library of Congress’s Soviet Archives exhibit.
>>>
>>>I could not find, however, the exhibit in the Library of Congress’
>>>Soviet Archives that Sunsite showed:
>>>
>>>http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/soviet.archive.html
>>>
>>>Once there try all “exhibits” but if you really want an eye-opener try
>>>this exhibit:
>>>
>>>http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/jac.html
>>>
>>>You will see as an opener the following:
>>>
>>>”The Jewish Antifascist Committee (JAC) was formed in Kuibyshev in
>>>April 1942. Two Polish Jewish socialists, Henryk Erlich and Viktor
>>>Alter (both of whom were later secretly executed), may have proposed
>>>the idea to Lavrenti Beria, the head of the NKVD. The organization was
>>>meant to serve the interests of Soviet foreign policy and the Soviet
>>>military through media propaganda — as well as through personal
>>>contacts with Jews abroad, especially in Britain and the United
>>>States, designed to influence public opinion and enlist foreign
>>>support for the Soviet war effort.
>>>
>>>The chairman of the JAC was Solomon Mikhoels, a famous actor and
>>>director of the Moscow Yiddish State Theater. Shakne Epshtein, a
>>>Yiddish journalist, was the secretary and editor of the JAC’s
>>>newspaper, Einikait (Unity). Other prominent JAC members were the
>>>poet Itsik Feffer, a former member of the Bund (a Jewish socialist
>>>movement that existed from 1897 to 1921 and supported the Mensheviks
>>>[see below for more on the Bund]), the writer Il’ia Ehrenburg,
>>>General Aaron Katz of the Stalin Military Academy, and Boris
>>>Shimelovich, the chief surgeon of the Red Army, as well as some
>>>non-Jews from the arts, sciences, and the military.
>>>
>>>A year after its establishment, the JAC was moved to Moscow and
>>>became one of the most important centers of Jewish culture and
>>>Yiddish literature until the German invasion. The JAC broadcast
>>>pro-Soviet propaganda to foreign audiences several times a week,
>>>telling them of the absence of anti-Semitism and of the great
>>>anti-Nazi efforts being made by the Soviet military…..”
>>>
>>>Footnote:
>>>
>>>The BUND:
>>>
>>>In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish
>>>workers in Poland and Lithuania. . . They engaged in
>>>revolutionary activity upon a large scale, and their
>>>energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article
>>>on “Communism” by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol.
>>>III, pp 824-827).
>>>
>>>In Russia and abroad in the late nineteenth century,
>>>not only Bundists but other Khazar Jews had been
>>>attracted to the writings of Karl Marx (1818-1883),
>>>partly, it seems, because he was Jewish in origin.
>>>”On both paternal and maternal sides Karl Marx was
>>>descended from rabbinical families” (Univ. Jew.
>>>Encyc., Vol.VII, p. 289).
>>>
>>>Under Nicholas II, there was no abatement of the
>>>regulations designed, after the murder of Alexander II,
>>>To curb the anti-government activities of Jews;
>>>consequently, the ” reaction to those excesses was
>>>Jewish support of the Bolsheviks. . .”(Univ. Jew. Encyc.,
>>>Vol. I, p. 286.) The way to such support was easy since
>>>the predecessor organization of Russian Communism was the
>>>Jewish “Bund.”
>>>
>>>—————————————————————–
>>>
>>>Maybe the JOG censored it.
>>>
>>> Doc Tavish Reporting on the spot.
>>> I will find all credible sites
>>> that prove Communism was/is Jewish!
>>> Till the next installment!
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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach
>wrote:
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world’s sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>> NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON’T ADD UP
>>
>> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted “to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine.”
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>> With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust “survivors” had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real “bible”, The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>> The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death “in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as “gospel truth”.
>> It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>”extermination camp”.
>>
>> HIMMLER-“REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”
>>
>> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that “The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” (Source,
>>Reitlinger’s book, “The Final Solution.”)
>> The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler’s
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, “Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates.” (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the “shockingly high mortality figures.” (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”
>> With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>”Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals”. It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>> THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, “Books and Bookmen”, April 1975, page 5,
>>”No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.”
>> The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>> This brings up the following questions.
>> 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>> 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>> 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>> 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, “The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them.” (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>> FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>> Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such “confessions” are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the “Confession’ and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>> Hoess statement read, “half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking.”
>> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not “ventable”. The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber “eating and smoking” – without
>>gas masks – only minutes after the gassing – IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>> GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, “The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann” pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>”became immediately gaseous.”
>> The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: “We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air.”
>>
>> CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), “We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped.” If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>> THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT’S ALL! In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18′ doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>> A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer’s book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich.” It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company’s ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>> “The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning.”
>> WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people – this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>> It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was “taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!”
>>
>> WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. “It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps.”
>> Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: “I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.”
>> Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>”The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie – the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time.”
>> Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. “The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.”
>>
>> WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, “Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists.”
>> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, “The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews.”
>> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: “The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews.”
>> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being “anti-Semitic” and “insensitive” to holocaust
>>victims.
>> The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>> A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>> The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don’t use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>> HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.
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Subject: Jewpolice zyd. Ordnungdienst-JEWS HELPED NAZIS!!!
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:33:28 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:44:20 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>Another significant article that merits discussion!!!
>>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:15:13 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>>
>>>dddddddddd
>>>below, Hermie’s cyberthrash
>>>————-
>>>md
>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>> PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>>
>>>> More Pawlikowski apologies for Nazi behavior!
>>>> > ============
>>>> > Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>>>> > Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>>>> > the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>>>> > occupation of Poland. The only reason for this question at this time
>>>> > seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered. Provacatively, Dr.
>>>> > Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>>>> > draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>>>> > after the war? Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>>>> > why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>>>> >
>>>> > Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres.
>>>> > Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>>>> > hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>>>> > grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk). He admitted
>>>> > that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem. However,
>>>> > young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>>>> > afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>>>> > find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>>>> > presently in Lithuania.
>>>> >
>>>> > But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>>>> > occupation was dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>>>> > were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei.
>>>> > They were ususally not armed,
>>>>
>>>> Pawlikowski will have you believe that the German occupation police in
>>>> Minsk were unarmed!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> > and when armed never given more than five
>>>> > bullets for their long rifles. Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>>>> > (as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>>>> > each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>>>> > the genocide.
>>>>
>>>> Hardly truth to Pawlikowski’s story too.
>>>>
>>>> > On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>>>> > service was completely voluntary. It was called Ordnungdienst. Their
>>>> > emblem was a light alloy Star of David. The social background of these
>>>> > Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>>>> > post-graduate degrees, 60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>>>> > education. These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>>>> >
>>>> > But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>>>> > Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>>>> > of his book. In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>>>> > journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>>>> > from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>>>> > closed.
>>>>
>>>> The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>>>> longer or die now!
>>>>
>>>> Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>>>> ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next “relocation”!
>>>> > While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>>>> > intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>>>> >
>>>> > Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>>>> > description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>>>> > Lodz. German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>>>> > Wisenthal Museum in LA. Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>>>> > three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>>>> > Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>>>> > the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>>>> >
>>>> > ————-
>>>> > Jozef Pawlikowski
>>>> >
>>>> > We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>>>> > graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki. We found
>>>> > ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>>>> > dozens of other places. Why you shrink from searching for your
>>>> > ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>>>> >
>>>> Does there any normal healthy human being want to see the corpses of
>>>> your loved ones excavated? Maybe Pawlikowski would enjoy watching the
>>>> bones of his or her mother exhumed to count the bones as they demand of
>>>> other people.
>>>>
>>>> Herman
>>>> > ————
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Subject: Ethnic Jew – Most Dangerous Mobster in the World
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On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:10:10 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:15:39 GMT, [email protected]england.com wrote:
>>http://www.villagevoice.com/ink/news/21friedman.shtml
>>The Village Voice
>>22May98
>>The Most Dangerous Mobster in the World
>>According to the FBI and Israeli Intelligence, Semion Mogilevich Rules
>>Over an Arms-Trafficking, Money-Laundering, Drug-Running, and
>>Art-Smuggling ‘Red Mafia’
>>by Robert I. Friedman
>>In two posh villas outside the small town of Ricany, near Prague, one
>>of the most dreaded mob families in the world savagely murders its
>>terrified victims. The mob’s young enforcers, trained by veterans of
>>the Afghanistan war, are infamous for their extreme brutality. Their
>>quarry, usually businessmen who have balked at extortion demands, are
>>repeatedly stabbed and tortured, then mutilated before they are
>>butchered. The carnage is so hideous that it has scared the daylights
>>out of competing crime groups in the area.
>
>>The torture chambers are run by what international police officials call
>>the Red Mafia, a notorious Russian mob family that in onlysix years has
>>become a nefarious global crime cartel. Based in Budapest, it haskey
>>centers in New York, Pennsylvania, Southern California, and as far away
>>as New Zealand.
>
>>The enigmatic leader of the Red Mafia is a 52-year-old Ukrainian-born
>>JEW named Semion Mogilevich. He is a shadowy figure known as the
>>”Brainy Don”–he holds an economics degree from the University of
>>Lvov–and until now, he has never been exposed by the media. But the
>>Voice has obtained hundreds of pages of classified FBI and Israeli
>>intelligence documents from August 1996, and these documents–as well
>>as recent interviews with a key criminal associate and with dozens of
>>law enforcement sources here and abroad–describe him as someone who
>>has become a grave threat to the stability of Israel and Eastern Europe.
>
>>”He’s the most powerful mobster in the world,” crows Monya Elson, who
>>is listed in classified documents as one of Mogilevich’s closest
>>associates and partners in prostitution and money laundering rings. The
>>Brighton Beach-based Elson, who once led a pack of thugs and killers
>>known as Monya’s Brigada, is currently in the Metropolitan Correctional
>>Center in lower Manhattan awaiting trial for three murders and numerous
>>extortions.
>
>>In July 1993, after Elson was grievously wounded by rival mobsters in a
>>bloody shoot-out outside his Brooklyn apartment building, Mogilevich
>>spirited him out of the country. Mogilevich then set up his Russian
>>Jewish refugee friend in an alleged massive money-laundering scheme in
>>Fano, Italy, where he was eventually arrested and extradited back to
>>America. Elson, an integral part of the Red Mafia, had been one of the
>>most feared mobsters in Brighton Beach, ground zero for Russian
>>organized crime in America, which has exploded here following
>>perestroika.
>
>>”If I tell on Mogilevich, Interpol will give me $20 million,” boasted
>>Elson. ”I lived with him. I’m his partner, don’t forget. We are very,
>>very close friends. I don’t mean close, I mean very, very close. He’s my
>>best friend.” Nevertheless, after extensive interviews over the course
>>of the last six months, Elson ultimately confirmed some of the details
>>about Mogilevich contained in the classified FBI and Israeli documents.
>
>>Allegations of Mogilevich’s devilish array of criminal activities are
>>extensively detailed in the reports:The FBI and Israeli intelligence
>>assert that he traffics in nuclear materials, drugs, prostitutes,
>>precious gems, and stolen art. His contract hit squads operate in the
>>U.S. and Europe. He controls everything that goes in and out of Moscow’s
>>Sheremetyevo International Airport, a ”smugglers’ paradise,” says
>>Elson. Mogilevich bought a bankrupt airline in a former Central Asian
>>Soviet republic for millions of dollars in cash so he could haul heroin
>>out of the Golden Triangle. Most worrisome to U.S. authorities is
>>Mogilevich’s apparently legal purchase of virtually the entire Hungarian
>>armaments industry, jeopardizing regional security, NATO, and the war
>>against terrorism.
>
>>In one typical criminal deal, Mogilevich and two Moscow-based gangsters
>>sold $20 million worth of pilfered Warsaw Pact weapons from East
>>Germany, including ground-to-air missiles and 12 armored troop
>>carriers, according to the classified Israeli and FBI documents. The
>>buyer was Iran, says a top-level U.S. Customs official who requested
>>anonymity.
>
>>In another deal, an FBI informant told the bureau that one of
>>Mogilevich’s chief lieutenants in Los Angeles met two Russians from New
>>York City with Genovese crime family ties to broker a scheme to dump
>>American toxic waste in Russia. Mogilevich’s man from L.A. said the Red
>>Mafia would dispose of the toxic waste in the Chernobyl region,
>>”probably through payoffs to the decontamination authorities there,”
>>says a classified FBI report.
>
>>Mogilevich is particularly intrigued by art fraud. In early 1993, he
>>reached an agreement with the leaders of the powerful Solntsevskaya
>>crime family in Moscow to invest huge sums of money in a joint venture:
>>acquiring a jewelry business in Moscow and Budapest. The business,
>>according to classified FBI documents, was to serve as a front for the
>>acquisition of jewelry, antiques, and art, which the Solntsevskaya mob
>>had stolen from churches and museums in Russia, including the Hermitage
>>in St. Petersburg. The gangsters also robbed the homes of art
>>collectors and even broke into synagogues in Germany and Eastern Europe
>>to steal rare religious books and Torahs.
>
>>Mogilevich’s operation, again in collusion with the Solntsevskaya mob,
>>also purchased a large jewelry factory in Budapest. Russian antiques,
>>such as Faberge eggs, are sent to Budapest for ”restoration.”
>>Mogilevich’s men ship the genuine Faberge eggs to an unwitting
>>Sotheby’s auction house in London for sale, then send fake Faberge eggs
>>as well as other ”restored” objects back to Moscow.
>
>>MOGILEVICH’S EARLY years are murky. Soviet authorities first learned of
>>his criminal activities in the 1970s, when he was a member of the
>>Liubertskaya crime group that operated in the Moscow suburb of the same
>>name. He was involved in petty thefts and counterfeiting.
>
>>But Mogilevich made his first millions fleecing fellow Jews. In the mid
>>1980s, when tens of thousands of Jewish refugees were hurriedly
>>immigrating to Israel and America, Mogilevich made deals to buy their
>>assets–rubles, furniture, and art–cheaply, promising to exchange the
>>goods for fair market value and send refugees the proceeds in ”hard”
>>currency. Instead, he sold their valuables and pocketed the considerable
>>profits.
>
>>In the 1980s, he established a petroleum import-export company, Arbat
>>International, and registered it in Alderney, one of the Channel
>>Islands, which is known to be a tax haven. One of his partners–with a
>>quarter share of the company–was Vyacheslav Ivankov, the legendary
>>Russian criminal who in March 1992 became Godfather of the Russian mob
>>in America. Ivankov was convicted in 1996 of extorting two Russian-born
>>Wall Street stockbrokers. He now resides in Raybrook, a Federal prison
>>in upstate New York.
>
>>In early 1990, Mogilevich fled Moscow, as did many other dons, to avoid
>>the gangland wars that were then roiling the capital. Mogilevich and his
>>top henchmen settled in Israel, where they received Israeli
>>citizenship. He ”succeeded in building a bridgehead in Israel” and
>>”developing significant and influential [political] ties,” says an
>>Israeli intelligence report.
>
>>Mogilevich is married to a Hungarian national, Katalin Papp. That
>>marriage allowed him to legally emigrate to Budapest, Hungary, in 1991,
>>where he began to build the foundations of his global criminal empire.
>>He bought a string of nightclubs in Prague, Riga, and Kiev–called the
>>”Black and White Clubs”–that has become one of the world’s foremost
>>centers of prostitution. Monya Elson is a partner in the clubs,
>>according to his own admission and classified FBI documents. The Black
>>and White Club in Budapest became the hub of Mogilevich’s operations. He
>>quickly built a highly structured criminal organization, in the mode of
>>a traditional American mafia family. Indeed, many of the organization’s
>>250 members are his relatives.
>
>>To the consternation of international law enforcement officials,
>>Mogilevich began to legally purchase much of Hungary’s arms industry.
>>The legitimate companies he bought include:
>
>>-Magnex 2000: a giant magnet manufacturer.
>
>>-Digep General Machine Works: an artillery shell, mortar, and fire
>>equipment manufacturer, which was financed by a $3.8 million loan from
>>the London branch of Banque Francaise De L’orean.
>
>>-Army Co-op: a mortar and anti-aircraft gun factory. Army Co-op was
>>established in 1991 by two Hungarian nationals, both in the local arms
>>industry, who were looking for a partner. Mogilevich has bought 95 per
>>cent of Army Co-op through another Channel Island holding company,
>>Arigon, Ltd., and also deals extensively with the Ukraine, selling oil
>>products to the Ukrainian railway administration.
>
>>These transactions enabled the Mogilevich organization to become a
>>direct owner of the Hungarian armaments industry. In 1994, he purchased
>>a license enabling him to buy and sell weapons. Now a legitimate
>>armaments manufacturer, one of his companies participated in at least
>>one arms exhibition in the U.S., where it displayed mortars modified by
>>Israel.
>
>>Like mob bosses everywhere, Mogilevich couldn’t sustain his empire
>>without the help of corrupt police and politicians. There is one
>>documented example of a criminal associate of Mogilevich mingling with
>>American politicians. In March 1994, Vahtang Ubiriya, one of
>>Mogilevich’s top lieutenants, was photographed by the FBI at a tony
>>Republican Party fundraiser in Dallas, says an FBI report. Ubiriya, a
>>high-ranking official in the Ukrainian railway administration, has a
>>prior conviction for bribery in the Ukraine.
>
>>In Europe and Russia, the ”corruption of police and public officials
>>has been part of the Semion Mogilevich Organization’s modus operandi,”
>>says a classified FBI document. ”The corruptive influence of the
>>Mogilevich organization apparently extends to the Russian security
>>system. During 1995, two colonels from Department of the Russian
>>Presidential Security Service . . . traveled to Hungary under commercia
>>cover to meet with Mogilevich . . . seeking information for use in the
>>Russian political campaign.” An Israeli associate of Mogilevich met
>>with the two colonels and provided intelligence. Mogilevich also paid
>>off a Russian judge to secure Vyacheslav Ivankov’s early release from a
>>Siberian prison, where he was doing hard time for robbery and torture,
>>according to U.S. court records and classified FBI documents.
>
>>On April 28, the German national television network ZDF reported that
>>the BND (the German intelligence agency) had entered into a secret
>>contract with Mogilevich to provide information on the Russian mob.
>>The charges were made by several sources, including Pierre Delilez, a
>>highly regarded Belgium police investigator who specializes in Russian
>>Organized Crime. Because of this deal with the BND, police in Belgium,
>>Germany, and Austria have complained that it is now impossible to
>>investigate the ”Brainy Don.” If the television report is accurate,
>>one possible motive for BND’s deal, says a U.S. law enforcement expert
>>on the Russian mob, is that the Germans recently ”pulled their people
>>out of Moscow because they didn’t like the level of cooperation they
>>were getting from the Russian authorities on the Russian mob.”
>>Gangsters, said this source, often talk to intelligence agencies about
>>their rivals.
>
>>MOGILEVICH’S MAIN activity in the U.S. appears to be money laundering,
>>says a classified FBI report. He has set up companies in Los
>>Angeles–FNJ Trade Management–and Newton, Pennsylvania–YBM Magnex
>>International–as well as dozens of shell companies, which have
>>received more than $30 million from Arigon, Ltd., the center of
>>Mogilevich’s financial operations.
>
>>Last Friday, U.S. Attorney Robert Courtney, head of the organized-crime
>>strike force, led a a joint FBI, IRS, INS, and Customs raid of YBM’s
>>offices in Newton. Cartons of documents were seized, with Canadian and
>>U.S. police citing the company’s alleged ties to Russian organized
>>crime. YBM is publicly traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange, and two
>>days before Friday’s raid, trading in its stock was suspended by
>>Canadian authorities.
>
>>The president and CEO of YBM is Jacob Bogatin, a professor of physical
>>metallurgy. In May 1996, he contacted the FBI in Philadelphia to find
>>out why the INS had denied visas to YBM employees arriving from Hungary
>>and the Ukraine. When he was rebuffed, he had intermediaries step
>>forward and pester the FBI. The State Department has banned Mogilevich
>>himself from obtaining a U.S. visa because he’s on the department’s
>>watch list of international organized-crime figures. Nevertheless, he
>>has surreptitiously entered America under aliases and on visitor visas
>>issued in Tel Aviv to visit Elson and Ivankov.
>
>>Bogatin admitted during a telephone interview that Mogilevich owns his
>>company. When asked if he knew that numerous law enforcement agencies
>>here and abroad considered Mogilevich to be a leader of one of the most
>>ruthless organized-crime families in recent times, Bogatin replied,
>>”We have an investors relations guy. You want to talk with him about
>>this stuff.” He added that he had read allegations in the Eastern
>>European press that his boss was a Mafia don, but didn’t believe them.
>>YBM vehemently denies that it is connected to Russian organized crime or
>>has engaged in any criminal activities.
>
>>Bogatin is no stranger to the mob, however. His brother, David, a top
>>Russian crime figure who once served in North Vietnam for the Soviets in
>>an anti-aircraft unit, is now serving an eight-year term in a New York
>>State prison for a multimillion-dollar gasoline tax fraud scheme. Just
>>prior to trial, he had jumped bail, fleeing to Poland. There he set up
>>the first commercial banks, which moved vast sums of money controlled
>>by Russian wiseguys. (This after handing over his mortgages for five
>>pricey Trump Tower apartments to a Genovese associate. The mortgages
>>were liquidated and the funds were moved through a mafia-controlled
>>bank in Chelsea.) Eventually he was caught and returned to the U.S. In
>>the meantime, he lived like royalty in a five-star Viennese hotel,
>>surrounded by a praetorian guard of 125 Polish parachutists, some of
>>them bedecked in shiny gold uniforms.
>
>>Mogilevich has not refrained from associating with known killers in
>>America, prime among them Elson and Ivankov. A confidential informant
>>told the FBI that Vladimir Berkovich, an L.A. resident, is a chief
>>lieutenant in Mogilevich’s organization and has arranged contract
>>killings here, supplying the weapons and spiriting the killers out of
>>the country. The visas, says the report, were obtained through the Palm
>>Terrace restaurant, a watering hole for Russian gangsters, which
>>Berkovich owns. Berkovich told the Voice that he is aware of the
>>government’s charges, and that they are ”total bullshit.” Although he
>>has no criminal record in the U.S., Berkovich’s son, Oleg, was convicted
>>in Los Angeles of solicitation to commit murder on October 11, 1989. He
>>was sentenced to four years. Oleg’s business card identified his
>>employer as Magnex, Ltd., a company owned by Mogilevich in Budapest.
>>Oleg was recently arrested in Hungary on unspecified charges but was
>>released.
>
>>Oleg’s uncle, the colorful Lazar Berkovich, whose last known address was
>>New York City, arrived in the Big Apple after having survived a
>>shootout with Italian gangsters, says his brother Vladimir. The FBI
>>report claims that Lazar was head of Russian criminal activities in
>>Italy prior to his coming to America to recuperate from his wounds,
>>though Vladimir Bercovich denies that Lazar was ever connected to the
>>Russian mob.
>
>>Israeli and U.S. law enforcement sources agree that the Red Mafia,
>>though in existence for a mere six years, has become one of the most
>>formidable Russian organized-crime families in the world. Strongest in
>>the Ukraine, Hungary, the Czech Republic, and the U.S., Mogilevich has
>>increased his strength by forging ties with other powerful Russian mob
>>groups as well as with the Italian Camorra. His reported ties to the
>>German BND and ex-police officers in Hungary keep him informed of police
>>efforts to penetrate his organization. ”He also ingratiates himself
>>with the police by providing information on other [Russian crime]
>>groups’ activities, thus appearing to be a cooperative good citizen,”
>>says a classfied FBI report. This, along with his strong leadership
>>qualities, his acute financial skills, his talented and highly educated
>>associates, and his use of cutting-edge technology, has so far made
>>the ”Brainy Don” impervious to prosecution.
>
>>This document last modified Friday, May 22, 1998, 10:31 AM EDT.
>
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On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:30:19 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand
>>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at. See the
>>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>>be.
>>
>>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>>
>>>”All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren’t
>>>counted by any census – simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>>anybody who couldn’t present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>>million? We will never know.”
>>
>>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>>
>>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>>most of them probably left and survived.
>>
>>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>>persons died–e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>>
>>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>>
>>sperati wrote:
>>> ———- Forwarded message ———-
>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>> From: stefan lemieszewski
>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>
>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>
>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>> titled “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.” If someone has access I would
>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>
>>> —————————————————————————
>>
>>> North Shore News
>>> February 2, 1997
>>
>>> Insights from abroad
>>> Doug Collins
>>
>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>> served in Hiler’s forces as high ranking officers.
>>
>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>> about “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.”
>>
>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>> was Erhard Milch, who “masterminded German aircraft production and
>>> transformed the Luftwaffe.” His father was Jewish.
>>>
>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of “mixed Jewish race or
>>> married to Jews.” They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>
>>> Seventeen “Jews in Nazi uniform” were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>> Germany’s highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>> more. The research is continuing.
>>
>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>> alive.
>>
>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>> father, “wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle.”
>>
>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>> whether they were “victims or perpetrators.”
>>
>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>
>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>> documents in the process.
>>
>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler’s Germany; also that no Jew
>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, “It makes
>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated.”
>>
>>> He stated, too, that Rigg’s research would “inform both the argument
>>> about Hitler’s role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans.”
>>
>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg’s research may be
>>> used by “deniers.” But most “deniers” do not deny that large numbers of
>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>
>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>
>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>> was a Jew.
>>
>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>> one were seen as “mixed race” and were also denied full citizenship.
>>
>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>
>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of “Aryan descent.” Milch, sentenced to a
>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>
>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>
>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>
>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>
>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>> wonder why?
>>
>>> —The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>
>>
>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments.
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>>
>>(…)
>>
>>………………………………………
>>
>>
>> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
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Subject: ZIONIST HEROES – WAR CRIMINALS!!!!
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On Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:57:26 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>And don’t forget the murders of the UN troops in Lebanon by the JEWS;
>And don’t forget the genocide of the unarmed civilians at the Q’ana
>refugee camp by the damn Israelis.
>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:17:05 -0700, Clancy
>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>> And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>> Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>> gangster!!!
>
>
>>Zionist terrorist acts from 1939-1996 – part I
>
>>1939
>>Haganah blew up the Iraqi oil pipeline near Haifa palestine. Moshe Dayan was one of
>>the participant in this act. The technique was used again in 1947 at least 4 times.
>
>>August 20, 1937-June 29, 1939
>>During this period, Zionist carrtied out a series of attacks against Arab buses,
>>resulting in the seath of 24 persons and wonding 25 others. They are the Master of
>>killing people on buses.
>
>>Nov.25, 1940
>>S.S. Patria blown up by Jewish Terrorists in Haifa Harbor, Killing 268 illegal Jewish
>>immigrants.
>
>>Nov. 6 1944
>>Zionist Terrorist of Stern gang* assassinated the British Minister Resident in the
>>Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
>
>>July 22, 1946
>>Zionist Terrorist blew up the King david Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central
>>offices of the civilian administarion of the Governemnt of Palestine, Killing and
>>injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun gangs claimed responsibility for this
>>criminal act, but subsequentevidence indicated that boith the Haganah and the Jewish
>>Agency were involved.
>
>>October 1, 1946
>>The british Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by a bomb explosions, for which Irgun
>>cliam responsibility.
>
>>June 1947
>>Letters sent to British Cabnit Minister were found to contain Bombs.
>
>>September 3, 1947
>>A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting
>>room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs.( The
>>Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8
>
>>December 11, 1947
>>Six Arabs were kiled and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab
>>buses in haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and anothers injured in an attack by armed
>>Zionist on Arab coastal village near Haifa.
>
>>Dec. 13 1947
>>Zionist terrorist believed to be memeber of Irgun Zvia Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and
>>wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda Area. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown
>>in an Arab market-place near Damascus Gate; in Jaffa bombs were thrown into an Arab
>>cafe; in the Arab village of Al Yahudia near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack
>>with mortars and automatic weapons.
>
>>Dec. 19, 1947
>>Haganah terrorist attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the
>>ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah
>>admitted responsibility for the attack.
>
>>Dec. 29, 1947
>>Two British contables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus
>>Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun Jews threw a bomb from a taxi.
>
>>Dec. 30, 1947
>>A mixed forces of the Zionist Palmach and the “Carmel Brigade” attacked the village
>>of Ballad al Shaikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.
>
>>1947-1948
>>Over 700,000 Plaestine Arabs were uprooted from their beloved homes and land in
>>Palestine; since than have been denied the right to return or been given compensation
>>for their property. After their expolsion, the “Zionist Israel terrorist Armies”
>>razed to the ground 385 Arabs villages ad towns out of a total of 475, ands
>>oblitrated their remains. These Are “The GOD Chosen People” who commit murder in the
>>name of Judiasm.
>
>>January 1, 1948
>>Haganah terrorists attacked attacked a village on the slop of mount Camel; 17 Arabs
>>were killed and 33 were wounded.
>
>>January 4, 1948
>>Haganah terrorist wearing British Army Uniform penetrated into the center of Jaffa
>>and blew up the Serai(the old Turkish Governemnt House) which was used as a
>>headqaurter of the Arab national Committee, killing more than 40 persons and wounding
>>98 others.
>
>>January 5, 1948
>>The Arab-owned semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blowm up, killing 20 persons, among
>>them Viscount de Tapia, the Spanish consul. Haganah admitted responsibility for this
>>outrage.
>
>>January 7, 1948
>>seventeen Arabs were kjilled by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them
>>while trying to escape. further casualties, including the murder of a British officer
>>near Hebron, were reported from different part of the country.
>
>>Jan. 16, 1948
>>Zionists blew up three Arabs building. in the first, 8 children between the ages of
>>18 month and 12 years, died.
>
>>Dec. 13, 1947- February 10, 1948
>>seven incident of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilian in cafe and markets, killing
>>138 and wounding 271 others. during this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses.
>>Zionist mind passenger trains on at least 4 occasions killing 93 persons and wounding
>>161 others.
>
>>Feb. 15 1948
>>Haganah terrorist attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses,
>>killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.
>
>>March 3, 1948
>>Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa(a 7 story block of
>>flat and shops) by zionist who drove an army lorry uo to the building and escaped
>>before the detonation of 400 lb. of explosive; casualties numbered 11 Arabs ans 3
>>Armanians killed and 23 injured. The Stern Jewish Gang claimed responsibility of the
>>crime.
>
>>March 22, 1948
>>A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100
>>others. Four memeber of the Stern Jewish Gang drove two lorry-loaded of explosive
>>into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosive.
>
>>March 31, 1948
>>The Cairo_Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month by an
>>electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60
>>others.
>
>>April 9, 1948
>>A combined forces of Irgun Zvai Leumi and ther Stern Jewish Gang, supported by the
>>Palmach forces captured the Arab village of Deir Yassine and killed than 200 unarmed
>>civilians, including countless women and childern. Older men and young women were and
>>paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were than
>>shot in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.
>
>>April 16, 1948
>>Zionist attacked the former British army camp at tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs
>>there.
>
>>April 19 1948
>>Fourteen arabs were killed in a hous in Tiberias which was blown up by Zionist
>>terrorist Jews.
>
>>May 11, 1948
>>A letter Bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Baker, former commanding Officer in Plaestine,
>>was detected in the nick of time by his wife.
>
>>April 25, 1948- may 13, 1948
>>Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and
>>Haganah Terrorist Jews. They stripped and carried away everything they could,
>>destroying what they could not take with them.
>
>>Sept. 17 1948
>>Count Folk Bernadotte, UN Mediator in Palestine was assassinated by member of the
>>Stern Jewish Gang in the Zionist controlled sector of Jerusalem. Bernadotte’s aide
>>Col. serot was also killed and murdered by Jewish terrorist.
>
>>Nov. 1948
>>The Arab village of Iqrit and Birim were attacked and destroyed, killing and injuring
>>countless unarmed Arabs, including women and children. All the Arabs were forcibly
>>expelled from their homes and mother land Palestine, Know today as the artificial
>>state of zionist Israel.
>sven88
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Subject: Crosses at Auschwitz-Anti-Christian JEWS!!!
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On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:15:01 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:50:06 GMT, [email protected]
>>wrote:
>>>On 20 Oct 1998 14:46:50 GMT, “firefly”
>>>wrote:
>>>>THE CROSS IS NOBODY BUSSINESS< IT IS ON POLAND LAND
>>>>POLAND HAS THE RIGHT TO PUT WHAT THEY WANT INSIDE
>>>>IN THEIR COUNTRY.THIS IS INTERNAL AFFAIR < IT IS NOT AOUR
>>>>AFFAIR.COMPRENDE!!!!
>>>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:41:02 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2
>>>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>>
>>>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.
>>>>
>>>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>>>sensitive site.
>>>>
>>>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>>>groups.
>>>>
>>>>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests and must be resolved as
>>>>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are beginning to be perceived
>>>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,” she added.
>>>>
>>>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>>>site inevitable.
>>>>
>>>>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>>>>
>>>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site.
>>>>
>>>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex.
>>>>
>>>>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>>>>
>>>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar.
>>>>
>>>>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>>>and nationalists.
>>>>
>>>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>>>forgotten.
>>>>
>>>>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>>>be removed.
>>>>>
>>>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated.
>>>>>
>>>>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the answer but the cross, all
>>>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>>>the-scene discussion.”
>>>>>
>>>>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, “But I don’t see any
>>>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>>>the moment.”
>>>>
>>>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>>>>
>>>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>>>>
>>>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>>>international funding, are on hold.
>>>>
>>>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently.
>>>>
>>>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the “Judenrampe,” the
>>>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign.
>>>>
>>>>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>>>concrete, the crematories.”
>>>>
>>>>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda.
>>>>
>>>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,” wiping out most of
>>>>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>>>>
>>>>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>>>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>>>>
>>>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>>>>
>>>>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland’s tiny
>>>>>Jewish community.
>>>
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Subject: Jews DID CONTROL Communism – documented by them…
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On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:50:39 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>>On 23 Jun 1998 00:27:52 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Swan)
>>wrote:
>>>steve mock ([email protected]) wrote:
>>>: What you constantly fail to grasp, Tavish, is that no one is denying that there were people of Jewish ancestry among
>>>: the Bolsheviks, or even that there weren’t quite a few people of Jewish ancestry among the Bolsheviks. What you
>>>: completely and utterly fail to understand is how collossal the leap of logic is which you ask us to make from that fact
>>>: to the conclusion that Bolshevism is some kind of a Jewish plot for which Jews bear collective responsibility.
>>>Logical leap or not, this raises an interesting question: How
>>>can the overproportionate Jewish representation among the
>>>Bolsheviks be accounted for?
>>Perhaps the following text may help answer your rhetorical question…
>>
>>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism – Don’t Deny It
>>From: [email protected] (Roger Hughes)
>>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation
>>
>>
>>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
>>
>> One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called
>>”Russian
>>Revolution” of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>>them, continue to condemn anyone as “anti-Semitic” who brings up these
>>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>>and lead revolutionary movement.
>>
>> First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism,
>>Karl Marx,
>>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father’s side.
>>Whether he was a “religous” Jew is of no significant importance, since
>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
>>
>> While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism,
>>will
>>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let’s see the them deny the
>>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables
>>that
>>passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
>>during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
>>quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
>>Archives:
>>
>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>>general in Moscow, Summers: “Jews prominant in local Soviet
>>government,
>>anti-Jewish feeling growing among population….”
>>
>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
>>July
>>5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: “Fifty percent of Soviet government
>>in
>>each town consists of Jews of the worst type.”
>>
>>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>>Montgomey Shuyler: “It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it’s
>>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
>>type.”
>>
>>
>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
>>reports
>>on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: “…(T)here were
>>384
>>`commissars’ including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
>>Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come
>>to
>>Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
>>Government.”
>>
>>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>>Bolshevik party’s executive secretary and – as chairman of the Central
>>Executive Committee – head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn),
>>foreign
>>affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld)
>>and
>>Moisei Uritsky.
>>
>>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: “The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care
>>little
>>for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
>>trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”
>>
>>The Netherlands’ ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>>”Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things.”
>>
>>
>>In case anyone thinks I’ve taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>>here’s three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik
>>Propaganda
>>Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
>>United States Senate, 65th Congress:
>>
>>”We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east
>>side
>>of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
>>Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased
>>that
>>there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
>>showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of
>>these
>>men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element
>>in
>>this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
>>more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
>>Jews…I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that
>>one
>>of its bases is found in the east side of New York…The latest
>>startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
>>startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the
>>northern
>>community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the
>>Soviet
>>regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
>>out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
>>exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
>>Gordon.
>>
>>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing
>>on
>>the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
>>often remarked to my sister, ‘Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
>>all looks so Yiddish.’ Up to that time we had see very few Jews,
>>because
>>there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in
>>Petrograd,
>>but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the
>>agitators
>>were Jews.
>>
>>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now
>>that
>>was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
>>did not take kindly to it.”
>>
>>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>>”anti-Semitic” and therefore unreliable, but they’d be wrong. Here’s a
>>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>>
>>”The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>>physical forces, become a reality all over the world.” (The American
>>Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
>>
>>”There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>>many of the highest ideals of Judaism.” (Jewish Chronicle, London
>>April,
>>4, 1919)
>>
>>”Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism.” (The American Bulletin,
>>Rabbi
>>S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>>
>>”In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>>the total population.” (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
>>
>>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>>so-called “anti-Semitism” a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>>himself:
>>
>>”National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
>>customs
>>characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
>>extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>cannibalism…under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
>>death
>>penalty.” (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>>
>>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>>virtually untouched.
>>
>>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920’s in one of the most vile
>>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, “Jews made up nearly 80
>>percent
>>of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,” reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
>>American professor of Russian history. . . ”
>>
>>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons
>>were
>>murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
>>directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
>>Communist bosses.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Roger Hughes
>>
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Towards a New Consciousness; a New Order; a New People
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>> http://www.natvan.com
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
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Subject: Jewpolice zyd. Ordnungdienst-JEWS HELPED NAZIS!!!
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:33:28 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:44:20 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>Another significant article that merits discussion!!!
>>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:15:13 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>>
>>>dddddddddd
>>>below, Hermie’s cyberthrash
>>>————-
>>>md
>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>> PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>>
>>>> More Pawlikowski apologies for Nazi behavior!
>>>> > ============
>>>> > Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>>>> > Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>>>> > the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>>>> > occupation of Poland. The only reason for this question at this time
>>>> > seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered. Provacatively, Dr.
>>>> > Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>>>> > draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>>>> > after the war? Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>>>> > why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>>>> >
>>>> > Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres.
>>>> > Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>>>> > hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>>>> > grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk). He admitted
>>>> > that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem. However,
>>>> > young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>>>> > afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>>>> > find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>>>> > presently in Lithuania.
>>>> >
>>>> > But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>>>> > occupation was dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>>>> > were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei.
>>>> > They were ususally not armed,
>>>>
>>>> Pawlikowski will have you believe that the German occupation police in
>>>> Minsk were unarmed!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> > and when armed never given more than five
>>>> > bullets for their long rifles. Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>>>> > (as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>>>> > each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>>>> > the genocide.
>>>>
>>>> Hardly truth to Pawlikowski’s story too.
>>>>
>>>> > On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>>>> > service was completely voluntary. It was called Ordnungdienst. Their
>>>> > emblem was a light alloy Star of David. The social background of these
>>>> > Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>>>> > post-graduate degrees, 60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>>>> > education. These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>>>> >
>>>> > But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>>>> > Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>>>> > of his book. In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>>>> > journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>>>> > from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>>>> > closed.
>>>>
>>>> The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>>>> longer or die now!
>>>>
>>>> Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>>>> ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next “relocation”!
>>>> > While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>>>> > intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>>>> >
>>>> > Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>>>> > description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>>>> > Lodz. German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>>>> > Wisenthal Museum in LA. Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>>>> > three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>>>> > Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>>>> > the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>>>> >
>>>> > ————-
>>>> > Jozef Pawlikowski
>>>> >
>>>> > We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>>>> > graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki. We found
>>>> > ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>>>> > dozens of other places. Why you shrink from searching for your
>>>> > ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>>>> >
>>>> Does there any normal healthy human being want to see the corpses of
>>>> your loved ones excavated? Maybe Pawlikowski would enjoy watching the
>>>> bones of his or her mother exhumed to count the bones as they demand of
>>>> other people.
>>>>
>>>> Herman
>>>> > ————
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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.
>
>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.
>
>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?
>
>
>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, [email protected] (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:
>>
>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin’ were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin’ is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong – please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I’ve find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>”Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin’s orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis.
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments.
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin’s order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the “Katyn Massacre”.
>>
>>(…)
>>
>>………………………………………
>>
>>
>> Pawel Jedrzejewski [email protected]
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Subject: Jews DID CONTROL Communism – documented by them…
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On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:50:39 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>>On 23 Jun 1998 00:27:52 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Swan)
>>wrote:
>>>steve mock ([email protected]) wrote:
>>>: What you constantly fail to grasp, Tavish, is that no one is denying that there were people of Jewish ancestry among
>>>: the Bolsheviks, or even that there weren’t quite a few people of Jewish ancestry among the Bolsheviks. What you
>>>: completely and utterly fail to understand is how collossal the leap of logic is which you ask us to make from that fact
>>>: to the conclusion that Bolshevism is some kind of a Jewish plot for which Jews bear collective responsibility.
>>>
>>>Logical leap or not, this raises an interesting question: How
>>>can the overproportionate Jewish representation among the
>>>Bolsheviks be accounted for?
>>
>>
>>Perhaps the following text may help answer your rhetorical question…
>>
>>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism – Don’t Deny It
>>From: [email protected] (Roger Hughes)
>>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation
>>
>>
>>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism
>>
>> One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called
>>”Russian
>>Revolution” of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>>them, continue to condemn anyone as “anti-Semitic” who brings up these
>>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>>and lead revolutionary movement.
>>
>> First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism,
>>Karl Marx,
>>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father’s side.
>>Whether he was a “religous” Jew is of no significant importance, since
>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
>>
>> While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism,
>>will
>>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let’s see the them deny the
>>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables
>>that
>>passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
>>during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
>>quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
>>Archives:
>>
>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>>general in Moscow, Summers: “Jews prominant in local Soviet
>>government,
>>anti-Jewish feeling growing among population….”
>>
>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
>>July
>>5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: “Fifty percent of Soviet government
>>in
>>each town consists of Jews of the worst type.”
>>
>>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>>Montgomey Shuyler: “It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it’s
>>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
>>type.”
>>
>>
>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
>>reports
>>on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: “…(T)here were
>>384
>>`commissars’ including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
>>Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come
>>to
>>Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
>>Government.”
>>
>>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>>Bolshevik party’s executive secretary and – as chairman of the Central
>>Executive Committee – head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn),
>>foreign
>>affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld)
>>and
>>Moisei Uritsky.
>>
>>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: “The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care
>>little
>>for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
>>trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”
>>
>>The Netherlands’ ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>>”Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things.”
>>
>>
>>In case anyone thinks I’ve taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>>here’s three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik
>>Propaganda
>>Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
>>United States Senate, 65th Congress:
>>
>>”We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east
>>side
>>of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
>>Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased
>>that
>>there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
>>showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of
>>these
>>men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element
>>in
>>this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
>>more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
>>Jews…I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that
>>one
>>of its bases is found in the east side of New York…The latest
>>startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
>>startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the
>>northern
>>community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the
>>Soviet
>>regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
>>out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
>>exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
>>Gordon.
>>
>>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing
>>on
>>the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
>>often remarked to my sister, ‘Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
>>all looks so Yiddish.’ Up to that time we had see very few Jews,
>>because
>>there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in
>>Petrograd,
>>but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the
>>agitators
>>were Jews.
>>
>>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now
>>that
>>was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
>>did not take kindly to it.”
>>
>>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>>”anti-Semitic” and therefore unreliable, but they’d be wrong. Here’s a
>>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>>
>>”The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>>physical forces, become a reality all over the world.” (The American
>>Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
>>
>>”There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>>many of the highest ideals of Judaism.” (Jewish Chronicle, London
>>April,
>>4, 1919)
>>
>>”Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism.” (The American Bulletin,
>>Rabbi
>>S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>>
>>”In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>>the total population.” (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
>>
>>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>>so-called “anti-Semitism” a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>>himself:
>>
>>”National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
>>customs
>>characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
>>extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>cannibalism…under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
>>death
>>penalty.” (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>>
>>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>>virtually untouched.
>>
>>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920’s in one of the most vile
>>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, “Jews made up nearly 80
>>percent
>>of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,” reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
>>American professor of Russian history. . . ”
>>
>>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons
>>were
>>murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
>>directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
>>Communist bosses.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Roger Hughes
>>
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Towards a New Consciousness; a New Order; a New People
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>> http://www.natvan.com
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>> Keep It White Because You Know It’s Right!
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Abusive emails will be posted to the Usenet and ridiculed.
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
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Subject: How Many Jews Really Died??
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On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:30:19 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:47:17 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand
>>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at. See the
>>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>>be.
>>
>>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>>
>>>”All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren’t
>>>counted by any census – simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>>anybody who couldn’t present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>>million? We will never know.”
>>
>>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>>
>>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>>most of them probably left and survived.
>>
>>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>>persons died–e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>>
>>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>>
>>sperati wrote:
>>> ———- Forwarded message ———-
>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>> From: stefan lemieszewski
>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>
>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>
>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>> titled “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.” If someone has access I would
>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>
>>> —————————————————————————
>>
>>> North Shore News
>>> February 2, 1997
>>
>>> Insights from abroad
>>> Doug Collins
>>
>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>> served in Hiler’s forces as high ranking officers.
>>
>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>> about “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.”
>>
>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>> was Erhard Milch, who “masterminded German aircraft production and
>>> transformed the Luftwaffe.” His father was Jewish.
>>>
>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of “mixed Jewish race or
>>> married to Jews.” They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>
>>> Seventeen “Jews in Nazi uniform” were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>> Germany’s highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>> more. The research is continuing.
>>
>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>> alive.
>>
>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>> father, “wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle.”
>>
>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>> whether they were “victims or perpetrators.”
>>
>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>
>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>> documents in the process.
>>
>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler’s Germany; also that no Jew
>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, “It makes
>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated.”
>>
>>> He stated, too, that Rigg’s research would “inform both the argument
>>> about Hitler’s role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans.”
>>
>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg’s research may be
>>> used by “deniers.” But most “deniers” do not deny that large numbers of
>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>
>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>
>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>> was a Jew.
>>
>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>
>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>> one were seen as “mixed race” and were also denied full citizenship.
>>
>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>
>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of “Aryan descent.” Milch, sentenced to a
>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>
>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>
>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>
>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>
>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>> wonder why?
>>
>>> —The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>
>>
>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
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On Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:57:26 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>And don’t forget the murders of the UN troops in Lebanon by the JEWS;
>And don’t forget the genocide of the unarmed civilians at the Q’ana
>refugee camp by the damn Israelis.
>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:17:05 -0700, Clancy
>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>> And don’t forget the murders of the British, such as in the King david
>>> Hotel, by the IRGUN and Stern Gang, involving this great zionist
>>> gangster!!!
>
>
>>Zionist terrorist acts from 1939-1996 – part I
>
>>1939
>>Haganah blew up the Iraqi oil pipeline near Haifa palestine. Moshe Dayan was one of
>>the participant in this act. The technique was used again in 1947 at least 4 times.
>
>>August 20, 1937-June 29, 1939
>>During this period, Zionist carrtied out a series of attacks against Arab buses,
>>resulting in the seath of 24 persons and wonding 25 others. They are the Master of
>>killing people on buses.
>
>>Nov.25, 1940
>>S.S. Patria blown up by Jewish Terrorists in Haifa Harbor, Killing 268 illegal Jewish
>>immigrants.
>
>>Nov. 6 1944
>>Zionist Terrorist of Stern gang* assassinated the British Minister Resident in the
>>Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
>
>>July 22, 1946
>>Zionist Terrorist blew up the King david Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central
>>offices of the civilian administarion of the Governemnt of Palestine, Killing and
>>injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun gangs claimed responsibility for this
>>criminal act, but subsequentevidence indicated that boith the Haganah and the Jewish
>>Agency were involved.
>
>>October 1, 1946
>>The british Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by a bomb explosions, for which Irgun
>>cliam responsibility.
>
>>June 1947
>>Letters sent to British Cabnit Minister were found to contain Bombs.
>
>>September 3, 1947
>>A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting
>>room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs.( The
>>Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8
>
>>December 11, 1947
>>Six Arabs were kiled and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab
>>buses in haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and anothers injured in an attack by armed
>>Zionist on Arab coastal village near Haifa.
>
>>Dec. 13 1947
>>Zionist terrorist believed to be memeber of Irgun Zvia Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and
>>wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda Area. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown
>>in an Arab market-place near Damascus Gate; in Jaffa bombs were thrown into an Arab
>>cafe; in the Arab village of Al Yahudia near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack
>>with mortars and automatic weapons.
>
>>Dec. 19, 1947
>>Haganah terrorist attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the
>>ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah
>>admitted responsibility for the attack.
>
>>Dec. 29, 1947
>>Two British contables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus
>>Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun Jews threw a bomb from a taxi.
>
>>Dec. 30, 1947
>>A mixed forces of the Zionist Palmach and the “Carmel Brigade” attacked the village
>>of Ballad al Shaikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.
>
>>1947-1948
>>Over 700,000 Plaestine Arabs were uprooted from their beloved homes and land in
>>Palestine; since than have been denied the right to return or been given compensation
>>for their property. After their expolsion, the “Zionist Israel terrorist Armies”
>>razed to the ground 385 Arabs villages ad towns out of a total of 475, ands
>>oblitrated their remains. These Are “The GOD Chosen People” who commit murder in the
>>name of Judiasm.
>
>>January 1, 1948
>>Haganah terrorists attacked attacked a village on the slop of mount Camel; 17 Arabs
>>were killed and 33 were wounded.
>
>>January 4, 1948
>>Haganah terrorist wearing British Army Uniform penetrated into the center of Jaffa
>>and blew up the Serai(the old Turkish Governemnt House) which was used as a
>>headqaurter of the Arab national Committee, killing more than 40 persons and wounding
>>98 others.
>
>>January 5, 1948
>>The Arab-owned semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blowm up, killing 20 persons, among
>>them Viscount de Tapia, the Spanish consul. Haganah admitted responsibility for this
>>outrage.
>
>>January 7, 1948
>>seventeen Arabs were kjilled by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them
>>while trying to escape. further casualties, including the murder of a British officer
>>near Hebron, were reported from different part of the country.
>
>>Jan. 16, 1948
>>Zionists blew up three Arabs building. in the first, 8 children between the ages of
>>18 month and 12 years, died.
>
>>Dec. 13, 1947- February 10, 1948
>>seven incident of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilian in cafe and markets, killing
>>138 and wounding 271 others. during this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses.
>>Zionist mind passenger trains on at least 4 occasions killing 93 persons and wounding
>>161 others.
>
>>Feb. 15 1948
>>Haganah terrorist attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses,
>>killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.
>
>>March 3, 1948
>>Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa(a 7 story block of
>>flat and shops) by zionist who drove an army lorry uo to the building and escaped
>>before the detonation of 400 lb. of explosive; casualties numbered 11 Arabs ans 3
>>Armanians killed and 23 injured. The Stern Jewish Gang claimed responsibility of the
>>crime.
>
>>March 22, 1948
>>A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100
>>others. Four memeber of the Stern Jewish Gang drove two lorry-loaded of explosive
>>into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosive.
>
>>March 31, 1948
>>The Cairo_Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month by an
>>electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60
>>others.
>
>>April 9, 1948
>>A combined forces of Irgun Zvai Leumi and ther Stern Jewish Gang, supported by the
>>Palmach forces captured the Arab village of Deir Yassine and killed than 200 unarmed
>>civilians, including countless women and childern. Older men and young women were and
>>paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were than
>>shot in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.
>
>>April 16, 1948
>>Zionist attacked the former British army camp at tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs
>>there.
>
>>April 19 1948
>>Fourteen arabs were killed in a hous in Tiberias which was blown up by Zionist
>>terrorist Jews.
>
>>May 11, 1948
>>A letter Bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Baker, former commanding Officer in Plaestine,
>>was detected in the nick of time by his wife.
>
>>April 25, 1948- may 13, 1948
>>Wholesale looting of Jaffa was carried out following armed attacks by Irgun and
>>Haganah Terrorist Jews. They stripped and carried away everything they could,
>>destroying what they could not take with them.
>
>>Sept. 17 1948
>>Count Folk Bernadotte, UN Mediator in Palestine was assassinated by member of the
>>Stern Jewish Gang in the Zionist controlled sector of Jerusalem. Bernadotte’s aide
>>Col. serot was also killed and murdered by Jewish terrorist.
>
>>Nov. 1948
>>The Arab village of Iqrit and Birim were attacked and destroyed, killing and injuring
>>countless unarmed Arabs, including women and children. All the Arabs were forcibly
>>expelled from their homes and mother land Palestine, Know today as the artificial
>>state of zionist Israel.
>sven88
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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:02:22 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:
>On Thu, 02 Oct 1997 14:13:14 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>In view of the extortion of gullible government, for billions of
>>dollars by the cursed JEWS, the Christkillers of history, one MUST
>>question all aspects of the claims made by JEWS.
>>In this regard, the questions below deserve detailed study, until the
>>truth is known.
>>Every normal person should consider the entire contents, and decide for
>>themselves, whether any JEWS died in WWII.
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>> On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:52:09 -0500, [email protected] (Eugene
>>> Holman) wrote:
>>> >Would any readers of soc.culture.polish care to comment on the claims
>>> >made here.
>>
>>
>>
>>> >1. WHAT PROOF EXISTS THAT THE NAZIS PRACTICED GENOCIDE OR
>>> >DELIBERATELY KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS?
>>
>>> > None. The only evidence is the contradictory testimony of
>>> >individual “survivors”, and no “survivor” claims actually to have
>>> >witnessed any gassing. There is no hard evidence whatsoever. No
>>> >mounds of ashes, no piles of clothes, no crematoria capable of doing
>>> >the job, no human soap, no lampshades made out of human skin, no
>>> >records, no demographic statistics.
>>
>>> > On the other hand there exists extensive evidence of a
>>> >forensic, demographic, analytical, documentary, anecdotal, and
>>> >comparative nature which clearly proves the impossibility of such a
>>> >figure as six million Jewish dead, an exaggeration of possibly 1000%.
>>
>>> Quite frankly, by reading the attached text, which proves that almost
>>> half of the original 600,000 JEWS in Germany were in the German
>>> military, one MUST question the alleged figures used by the JEWS to
>>> extort money from gullible governments!!!
>>
>>> > 2. HOW DID GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS DIFFER FROM AMERICAN
>>> >RELOCATION CAMPS WHICH INTERNED JAPANESE AND GERMAN-AMERICANS DURING
>>> >WORLD WAR TWO?
>>
>>> > Except for the name, the only difference was that the Germans
>>> >interned persons who were a real or suspected threat to the German
>>> >war effort, whereas the Americans interned persons on the basis of
>>> >their race or national origin alone.
>>
>>> > 3. WHY DID THE GERMAN AUTHORITIES INTERN JEWS IN THE
>>> >CONCENTRATION CAMPS?
>>
>>> > Because the Germans considered the Jews a direct threat to
>>> >their national sovereignty and survival, correctly as it turned out.
>>> >Jews were overwhelmingly represented in Germany in Communist
>>> >subversion during the Weimar period. On a per capita basis, Jews were
>>> >highly overrepresented in government, commercial, and media
>>> >positions.
>>
>>> >However, ALL suspected security risks, not just Jews, were in danger
>>> >of internment once the war broke out.
>>
>>> > On March 24th, 1933, international Jewry declared war on
>>> >Germany and ordered a world-wide boycott of German goods simply
>>> >because the German government had removed Jews from influential
>>> >positions and transferred power back to the German people. The
>>> >boycott order and the Jewish war against Germany were reported in
>>> >the world print and broadcast media of the time. False stories of
>>> >German “death camps” were in fact circulated even before the outbreak
>>> >of World War Two. Therefore the German view of the Jewish people
>>> >as enemy aliens would seem to have been fully justified.
>>
>>> > 4. DID SIMON WIESENTHAL ONCE ADMIT THAT THERE WERE NEVER ANY
>>> >DEATH CAMPS ON GERMAN SOIL?
>>
>>> > Yes. In *Books and Bookmen*, April 1975 issue. He claims the
>>> >gassing of all the Jews took place in Poland.
>>
>>> > 5. DACHAU IS IN GERMANY. IF EVEN SIMON WIESENTHAL NOW ADMITS
>>> >IT WAS NOT A DEATH CAMP, WHY DO THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN VETERANS SAY IT
>>> >WAS?
>>
>>> > Because after the Allies captured Dachau (and incidentally
>>> >murdered dozens of the former staff without trial), thousands of GIs
>>> >were led through the camp and shown buildings alleged to be gas
>>> >chambers. This story was later quietly expunged from official
>>> >Holocaust lore because it became too difficult to maintain in
>>> >the face of known fact and because Dachau was in the Allied
>>> >occupation zone where access to the camp was too
>>> >easy and unrestricted.
>>
>>> > En passant, the brief lifespan of the “Dachau death camp”
>>> >version gave rise to the first critical examination and questioning
>>> >of the Holocaust myth by historians and by some Allied veterans who
>>> >noticed discrepancies in what they had seen and what they read in
>>> >official accounts. It would be many years, though, before this early
>>> >Holocaust Revisionism gained momentum.
>>
>>> > 6. AUSCHWITZ IS IN POLAND, NOT GERMANY. IS THERE ANY PROOF
>>> >THAT GAS CHAMBERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF KILLING PEOPLE EXISTED
>>> >AT AUSCHWITZ?
>>
>>> > No. The “gas chamber” exhibited to tourists at Auschwitz
>>> >could not possibly have been used to carry out executions;
>>> >it is far too small and it is not even airtight.
>>> >In the 1980s, American expert Fred Leuchter, who builds gas chambers
>>> >for American penal systems, took scrapings from the walls
>>> >of the Auschwitz “gas chamber” for chemical
>>> >analysis. He found no cyanide residue at all. The Auschwitz exhibit
>>> >is a fake, pure and simple, a flimsy tourist trap.
>>
>>> Were not the Krema at Auschwitz built by the Polish communists in
>>> 1949, long after the war???
>>
>>> > 7. IS AUSCHWITZ WASN’T A DEATH CAMP, WHAT WAS ITS TRUE
>>> >PURPOSE?
>>
>>> > It was a large-scale manufacturing complex. Synthetic rubber
>>> >(Buna) was made there, and its inmates were used as a workforce, in
>>> >the same way in which inmate labor is increasingly being used in
>>> >correctional systems throughout the United States today.
>>
>>> > 8. WHAT ABOUT THE INFAMOUS ZYKLON-B GAS?
>>
>>> > Zyklon-B is a commercially manufactured compound of
>>> >hydrocyanic gas. It has a number of widespread industrial uses,
>>> >including the fumigation of lice-infested clothing,
>>> >the purpose for which it was applied at Auschwitz.
>>> >Zyklon-B is still manufactured worldwide and is
>>> >commonly used and available today.
>>
>>> > 9. IF AUSCHWITZ WAS NOT AN EXTERMINATION CAMP, WHY DID FORMER
>>> >COMMANDANT RUDOLF HOESS CONFESS THAT IT WAS?
>>
>>> > Hoess was captured by the Russians and Polish Communists and
>>> >brutally tortured. He signed his confession, the SOLE SOURCE for the
>>> >figure of six million dead Jews, in English, a language he could not
>>> >read. Some pages of the original document are literally stained with
>>> >Hoess’ blood. Hoess was then conveniently executed so he could not be
>>> >cross examined.
>>
>>> > 10. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FULLY TO VENTILATE AN AREA
>>> >FUMIGATED WITH ZYKLON-B?
>>
>>> > About twenty hours. The whole procedure is extremely involved
>>> >and technical. Gas masks have to be used and well trained technicians
>>> >only are employed.
>>
>>> > 11. RUDOLF HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD
>>> >ENTER THE GAS CHAMBER TEN MINUTES AFTER THE JEWS HAD DIED AND REMOVE
>>> >THE BODIES. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS?
>>
>>> > It can’t be explained, because it could not have happened
>>> >like that. Had the Germans done this they would have suffered
>>> >the same fate as the allegedly exterminated Jews.
>>
>>> > 12. HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD SMOKE
>>> >CIGARETTES AS THEY PULLED DEAD JEWS OUT OF CHAMBERS WHICH TEN MINUTES
>>> >BEFORE HAD BEEN FILLED WITH GAS. ISN’T ZYKLON-B EXPLOSIVE?
>>
>>> > Highly so. The Hoess confession is obviously false and the
>>> >six million figure as well.
>>
>>> > 13. HOW COULD SUCH A MASS MURDER PROGRAM HAVE BEEN KEPT
>>> >SECRET FROM JEWS WHO WERE SCHEDULED FOR EXECUTION? HOW COULD THE
>>> >POPE, THE VATICAN, THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS, AND
>>> >ALLIED MILITARY INTELLIGENCE NOT KNOW?
>>
>>> > Given the acknowledged efficiency and penetration of the OSS,
>>> >British MI5, and Soviet NKVD into the Third Reich, it could not have
>>> >been kept secret. Nor can one imagine any reason for the Allies, who
>>> >were fighting to destroy Germany, not to make use of such a
>>> >potentially powerful propaganda weapon, had there been any
>>> >contemporary evidence at all during the war that such an event was
>>> >occurring.
>>
>>> > 14. HOW MANY JEWS ACTUALLY DIED IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS
>>> >DURING THE WAR?
>>
>>> > About 300,000.
>>
>>> > 15. HOW DID THEY DIE?
>>
>>> > Mainly from recurring typhus epidemics that ravaged war-torn
>>> >Europe during the period. Typhus is a disease which invariably
>>> >appears whenever people are jammed together for long periods
>>> >without bathing.It is carried by lice which infects hair and clothes.
>>> >Ironically, if the Germans had used more Zyklon-B for disinfectant
>>> >purposes, more Jews might have survived the concentration camps.
>>> >Jewish prisoners (as well as many others) also died from starvation
>>> >and lack of medical attention towards the end of the war
>>> >when virtually all rail and road transport had come to a standstill
>>> >due to the intense Allied bombing campaign.
>>
>>> > 16. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WHETHER SIX MILLION JEWS OR
>>> >300,000 DIED?
>>
>>> > 5,700,00. The key question is whether or not there was a
>>> >deliberate, systematic attempt on the part of the Third Reich to
>>> >exterminate the Jews of Europe. The evidence clearly shows that there
>>> >was not, and the focus of world attention now needs to shift to the
>>> >identity, the activities, and the financial and political motivations
>>> >of those who have inflicted on all humanity for the past fifty years
>>> >the grotesque, slanderous, and evil lie that there was a “Holocaust”.
>>
>>> > 17. MANY JEWISH SURVIVORS OF THE “DEATH CAMPS” SAY THEY SAW
>>> >BODIES BEING PILED UP IN PITS AND BURNED. HOW MUCH GASOLINE WOULD
>>> >HAVE BEEN USED TO PERFORM THIS ACT?
>>
>>> > A lot more than the Germans had access to or could have
>>> >afforded to waste during the Second World War, that’s for sure.
>>
>>> > 18. CAN BODIES BE BURNED IN PITS?
>>
>>> > No. It is impossible for human bodies to be totally consumed
>>> >by flames in this manner as not enough heat can be generated
>>> >in open pits.
>>> >[Note From Winston Smith: I can personally confirm from my own
>>> >observations of both Communist and American atrocities in both the
>>> >American and Rhodesian armed forces that it is impossible completely
>>> >to destroy human bodies en masse with either gasoline, napalm, or in
>>> >any other way in open pits. The Holocaust “experts” who claim
>>> >otherwise are either parroting what they have been told without
>>> >bothering to check their facts, or else they are lying.]
>>
>>> > 19. HOLOCAUST AUTHORS CLAIM THE NAZIS WERE ABLE TO CREMATE
>>> >BODIES IN ABOUT TEN MINUTES. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO INCINERATE A
>>> >BODY ACCORDING TO PROFESSIONAL FUNERAL OPERATORS?
>>
>>> > About two hours.
>>
>>> > 20. WHY DID CONCENTRATION CAMPS HAVE CREMATORY OVENS?
>>
>>> > To dispose efficiently and sanitarily of the corpses dead
>>> >from typhus and other diseases.
>>
>>> > 21. GIVEN A 100% DUTY CYCLE OF ALL THE KNOWN CREMATORIA IN
>>> >ALL THE CAMPS IN GERMAN-CONTROLLED TERRITORY, WHAT IS THE
>>> >MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CORPSES WHICH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE TO
>>> >INCINERATE DURING THE ENTIRE TIME THE CAMPS WERE IN EXISTENCE?
>>
>>> > About 430,600.
>>
>>> > 22. CAN A CREMATORY OVEN BE OPERATED 100% OF THE TIME?
>>
>>> > No. 50% of the time is a very generous estimate, or 12 hours
>>> >per day. Crematory ovens have to be cleaned thoroughly and regularly
>>> >when in heavy operation.
>>
>>> > 23. ON THE AVERAGE, HOW MUCH ASH IS LEFT FROM A CREMATED
>>> >CORPSE?
>>
>>> > After the bone is ground down into powder, a separate
>>> >time-consuming process in itself, about a shoe box full.
>>
>>> > 24. IF SIX MILLION PEOPLE WERE INCINERATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>>> >HAPPENED TO THE ASHES?
>>
>>> > That remains to be “explained”. Six million bodies would
>>> >produce literally mountains of ash, tons upon tons. Yet there have
>>> >been no discoveries of any huge deposits of ash in the Auschwitz
>>> >area or anywhere else in Europe.
>>
>>> > 25. DO ALLIED WARTIME PHOTOS OF AUSCHWITZ, TAKEN FROM THE
>>> >AIR, SHOW ANY SIGNS OF CREMATORIA IN FULL BLAST OPERATION?
>>
>>> > No. These photographs do not reveal even a trace of the
>>> >immense amount of smoke which must have hung constantly over the
>>> >camp, nor do they show any evidence of the alleged open
>>> >pits where the bodies were burned.
>>
>>> > 26. WHAT DID THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT
>>> >THE WHOLE “HOLOCAUST” ISSUE?
>>
>>> > A report of the visit of an IRC delegation to Auschwitz in
>>> >September of 1944 pointed out that internees were allowed to receive
>>> >packages and that rumors of gas chambers could not be verified. The
>>> >full official report of the International Red Cross on the Second
>>> >World War makes no mention at all of the so-called Holocaust or
>>> >any of the wilder allegations connected with the so-called Holocaust.
>>
>>> > Interestingly, in 1996, fifty years after the war’s end, the
>>> >liberal media in America and Europe began running a series of
>>> >articles claiming that the Red Cross was “full of Nazi sympathizers”.
>>> >This charge is entirely bogus and may be chalked up to belated
>>> >Jewish attempts at damage control as the Holocaust myth crumbles
>>> >steadily in the light of factual examination and critical analysis.
>>
>>> > 27. IS THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK GENUINE?
>>
>>> > Not as published, no. The evidence compiled by Dietlieb
>>> >Felderer of Sweden and Dr. Robert Faurisson of France proves
>>> >conclusively that the published version of the famous diary is a
>>> >literary hoax. There was a girl named Anne Frank, and sections of the
>>> >diary appear to be genuine, including several wherein she describes
>>> >adolescent lesbian sexual experiences which were later excised from
>>> >the published text.
>>>
>>> > In 1950 Anne Frank’s father sued author Meyer Levin, the
>>> >actual writer of the diary, over royalties from the book.
>>> >A Jewish judge in New York ordered the records of the court case
>>> >sealed for 100 years.
>>> >When the original diary was put on display a few years later, it was
>>> >noticed that the most poignant sections of the book were
>>> >interpolations written in a forged handwriting in BALL POINT PEN,
>>> >a writing instrument which was not invented until 1950. The original
>>> >diary was swiftly removed from exhibit and whisked away
>>> >into a safety deposit box inIsrael. It has never been produced for
>>> >examination since then despite repeated attempts by scholars to view
>>> >it.
>>
>>> > 28. WHAT ABOUT ALL THE NUMEROUS PHOTOGRAPHS AND FILM FOOTAGE
>>> >ALLEGEDLY TAKEN IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS SHOWING EMACIATED
>>> >CORPSES AND PEOPLE? ARE THESE FAKED?
>>
>>> > Some are, but most of the fakery lies in the captioning.
>>> >Corpses of German air raid victims, for example, are labeled as dead
>>> >Jews. One famous and oft-reprinted photo purports to show a “Nazi SS
>>> >man” about to shoot a mother holding her child; on closer examination
>>> >of the blurry print with a magnifying glass, it is clear to military
>>> >historians familiar with the uniforms and weapons of the period that
>>> >the killer is a Red Army soldier wielding a Russian-made carbine.
>>
>>> > (The Exterminationist habit of blaming the Germans for
>>> >atrocities actually carried out by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin
>>> >remains common, even though some of the more notorious examples like
>>> >the Katyn Forest massacre of Polish prisoners have now been properly
>>> >laid at the door of the Kremlin. That this kind of fraud continues to
>>> >be perpetrated by Holocaust “experts” is not surprising in view of
>>> >the fact that almost all of them espouse Marxist or extreme
>>> >left-wing views and are as quick to apologize for and explain
>>> >away Stalin’s butcheries as they are to invent fraudulent crimes
>>> >attributed to Adolf Hitler. The almost universally leftist
>>> >political and social orientation of
>>> >Holocaust defenders is important and should always be born in mind
>>> >when examining their claims; letting Stalin off the hook is almost as
>>> >important to them as blackening and defaming the memory of Hitler and
>>> >the German people. A good example of this is Nizkor leader Ken
>>> >McVay’s refusal to accept any more NSWPP e-mail after General
>>> >Secretary Smith asked him why he did not condemn the
>>> >mass murders of Stalin.)
>>
>>> > 29. WHAT WAS THE ROLE OF THE VATICAN DURING THE TIME IN WHICH
>>> >SIX MILLION JEWS WERE ALLEGEDLY EXTERMINATED?
>>
>>> > Had there been an extermination plan being carried out in a
>>> >predominantly Catholic country like Poland, the Vatican would
>>> >certainlyhave been in a position to learn about it. Since no such
>>> >plan existed,the Vatican had no need to speak out about it.
>>
>>> > 30. WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT ADOLF HITLER ORDERED THE
>>> >EXTERMINATION OF THE JEWS?
>>
>>> > None. No documentary evidence of any kind indicating a
>>> >deliberate extermination plan on the part of the Nazis has ever come
>>> >tolight. No signed order from Hitler, from Reichsfuhrer-SS Heinrich
>>> >Himmler, or from any other functionary of the Third Reich ordering
>>> >the extermination of the Jews has ever been discovered. The Nazis
>>> >were meticulous records-keepers and literally tons of documents were
>>> >seized by the Allies at the end of the war, so many it took Allied
>>> >archivists and scholars years to organize, file, and catalog them
>>> >all. Nothing. Zip. Nada.
>>
>>> > 31. DID THE GERMANS AND THE ZIONISTS COLLABORATE BEFORE AND
>>> >DURING THE WAR?
>>
>>> > Absolutely. Both groups were interested in removing the Jews
>>> >from Europe (the Zionists wanted the Jews shipped to Palestine) and
>>> >they maintained friendly relations throughout the war. The German
>>> >official in charge of shipping thousands of Jews to then
>>> >British-occupied Palestine (including future Israeli prime minister
>>> >Menachem Begin) was Adolf Eichmann; after the war the Holocaust
>>> >industry considered this secret so volatile and dangerous that
>>> >Eichmann was abducted by the Israeli Mossad and subsequently murdered
>>> >in order to silence him.
>>
>>
>>> In Canada there was a detailed story in Toronto Life magazine about the
>>> roles of the Reichman and Gestetner families in providing assistance
>>> to the Germans in WWII. The Jews are not happy about this public
>>> exposure,and have tried to restrict distribution of this news,
>>> which is available from the publishers in Toronto at Toronto Life.
>>
>>
>>
>>> > 32. HOW MANY JEWS WERE IN AREAS WHICH CAME TO BE CONTROLLED
>>> >BY THE GERMANS DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR?
>>
>>> > Slightly less than four million.
>>
>>> > 33. HOW MANY JEWS FLED DEEP INTO THE SOVIET UNION TO ESCAPE
>>> >THE NAZIS?
>>
>>> > Over two million. The Germans did not have access to them to
>>> >kill them.
>>
>>> > 34. IF EUROPEAN JEWS WEREN’T EXTERMINATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>>> >HAPPENED TO THEM?
>>
>>> > After the war most Jews emigrated to Palestine, the United
>>> >States, Argentina, Canada, and Great Britain. Except for about
>>> >300,000, they are all accounted for.
>>
>>> > 35. HOW DOES THE HOLOCAUST STORY BENEFIT THE JEWISH PEOPLE
>>> >TODAY?
>>
>>> > It shields them from any criticism over their political,
>>> >economic, and social behavior. It is instrumental in raising immense
>>> >sums of “guilt money”, especially from the German government. It
>>> >justifies aid to the state of Israel totaling almost $10 billion
>>> >dollars per year from various sources. Israel has received almost $70
>>> >billion dollars in assorted “Holocaust reparations” and the ante is
>>> >growing every year. It is clearly in the interest of Israel and the
>>> >Jewish people to keep the scam going.
>>
>>> > 36. ARE FILMS LIKE “HOLOCAUST”, “SCHINDLER’S LIST”, AND “THE
>>> >WINDS OF WAR” DOCUMENTARIES?
>>
>>> > Hollywood movies are not history and are not intended to be.
>>> >They are fictionalized dramas. The characters in movies are actors,
>>> >not real people, who are being very highly paid for their portrayals
>>> >of events that did not in fact occur. They read their lines from a
>>> >screenplay written by Hollywood scriptwriters, a profession where
>>> >Jews are very highly overrepresented, as they are in the studios and
>>> >the creative and financial sectors of film making.
>>
>>> > Hollywood is such an extremely unreliable source of history
>>> >that in recent years even mainstream reviewers and commentators have
>>> >begun to express doubt and suspicion over some films. For example,
>>> >the character of Oscar Schindler as portrayed by Liam Neeson in
>>> >Spielberg’s production of “Schindler’s List” was sanitized to the
>>> >point of being unrecognizable. Schindler was portrayed as almost
>>> >saintly, and yet none of those still living who remember
>>> >the man have a single good word to say about him. The real Schindler
>>> >was a confidence artist, a thief, a libertine and degenerate gambler
>>> >who indulged freely in forced sexual relations with young
>>> >female camp inmates, who later abandoned his wife
>>> >and fled with his mistress to Brazil after embezzling a large sum of
>>> >money. Other major directors like Oliver Stone have come under fire
>>> >because their portrayals of historical characters like Nixon and
>>> >events like the JFK assassination reflect a paranoid obsession with
>>> >the most bizarre of left-wing conspiracy theories.
>>
>>> > 37. ABOUT HOW MANY BOOKS HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED WHICH REFUTE
>>> >SOME ASPECT OF THE STANDARDS JEWISH CLAIMS ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST?
>>
>>> > Over 100, with more in the works.
>>
>>> > 38. BUT AREN’T ALL THOSE WHO QUESTION THE HOLOCAUST
>>> >ANTI-SEMITIC OR NEO-NAZIS?
>>
>>> > Some are, although why such people should be denied the same
>>> >right to advance their viewpoint which liberal democracy grants so
>>> >freely to Jews and liberals in this purportedly free society is never
>>> >explained. The NSWPP is a National Socialist organization, although
>>> >unlike the Jews we acknowledge our identity and our ideological
>>> >position in the open. Most Revisionists, however, are academics,
>>> >genuine scholars who seek only the truth. Many hold liberal or
>>> >libertarian views, although these views often change as they are
>>> >subjected to the intense persecution which accompanies any deviation
>>> >from the official orthodoxy on the Holocaust.
>>
>>> > 39. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HISTORIANS WHO DISPUTE THE OFFICIAL
>>> >VERSION OF THE HOLOCAUST?
>>
>>> > A variety of unpleasant things. Significantly, the Jews have
>>> >always refused to debate the facts of the Holocaust openly with
>>> >Revisionists. An Internet group allegedly set up for this purpose
>>> >called Nizkor does not in fact debate Revisionists, but engages in
>>> >hysterical campaigns of ad hominem abuse against anyone who dares to
>>> >express any dissent or doubt in re Holocaust orthodoxy. It is clear
>>> >from many of the postings to Nizkor’s Internet playgroups that they
>>> >have attracted a number of people, mostly Jews but some left-liberal
>>> >Gentiles as well, who are motivated by intense racial bigotry and
>>> >ideological hatred of anyone who disagrees with them, and who in some
>>> >cases appear to be severely mentally and emotionally disturbed.
>>
>>> > The Jews respond to any questioning of the Holocaust with
>>> >hatred, violence, and persecution, which in itself is the surest
>>> >giveaway that they have something to hide. In many countries those
>>> >who ask politically incorrect or searching questions about the
>>> >Holocaust are arrested, tortured, and imprisoned.
>>
>>> > Dr. Robert Faurisson was assaulted by a Jewish gang who beat
>>> >him so badly that he was almost crippled. In California, a major
>>> >Revisionist bookseller’s offices were burned, and in Toronto
>>> >Revisionist author Ernst Zundel’s home was almost destroyed in an
>>> >arson attack. Zundel was subjected to a bizarre series of
>>> >show trials lasting over ten years, and after being finally acquitted
>>> >he has been denied Canadian citizenship and is still battling
>>> >attempts to deport him to prison and torture in Germany.
>>
>>> > An American citizen, Gerhard Lauck of Lincoln, Nebraska, was
>>> >kidnapped by the German government and at this writing is serving a
>>> >lengthy prison sentence in Germany for the “crime” of writing
>>> >pro-National Socialist commentary IN THE UNITED STATES where it is
>>> >legal. Another American citizen, Hans Schmidt of Florida, was also
>>> >abducted, held in prison in Germany for almost a year, and released
>>> >only after an international outcry. Schmidt’s “crime” was writing a
>>> >pro-Revisionist article, in English, in a newsletter published and
>>> >distributed in the United States. German nationalist Manfred Roeder
>>> >has been imprisoned so many times he’s lost count. Revisionists
>>> >have been stripped of jobs and academic posts, denied tenure
>>> >in universities, victimized by harassing lawsuits, received bombs
>>> >in the mail, and subjected to constant death threats
>>> >from Jews and Marxists.
>>
>>> > THESE ARE NOT THE REACTIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. Innocent
>>> >people who are accused of a crime or a fraud do not respond by
>>> >trying to kill, imprison, or forcibly silence their accusers.
>>> >More than anything else, the behavior of the Jews and the
>>> >governments they influence so strongly proves that the
>>> >Holocaust is a fraud. If the Holocaust was true,
>>> >neither the Jews nor any state authority would need to use force to
>>> >silence criticism, any more than force need be used against people
>>> >who believe the earth is flat. The arrests, imprisonment, assaults
>>> >and torchings are the moral equivalent of a full confession on the
>>> >part of the Jewish people that they are contemptible liars who have
>>> >imposed the most massive and vicious hoax in history on all of
>>> >humanity, and have used that hoax as an excuse to rob us blind,
>>> >steal another people’s country, and then to slaughter that country’s
>>> >original inhabitants at will, as according to National Public Radio
>>> >they are doing even now as I type this, in the town of Ramallah.
>>
>>> > 40. HAVE THESE THUGGISH TACTICS SUCCEEDED IN SILENCING
>>> >REVISIONISTS?
>>
>>> > No. They have only made Revisionists more determined than
>>> >ever to ensure that the truth comes out and that the nations of the
>>> >earth understand how the Jewish people have lied to them, defrauded
>>> >them, and robbed them for over half a century now with the Holocaust
>>> >lie. There can be little doubt that in succeeding generations the
>>> >Holocaust will be accepted by mainstream historians and the public at
>>> >large for what it is: a politically inspired hoax.
>>
>>> >NOTE: This article was partially re-worked by me from material in a
>>> >pamphlet provided by the Institute for Historical Review. For further
>>> >information on Revisionism, the IHR may be contacted at
>>> >[email protected] – W.S.
>>
>>
>>
>>One MUST question the validity of the EXTORTION on gullible governments
>>by the damn JEWS for alleged compensation.
>>
>>
>>
>>If half of the German JEWS were in the German military, as the attached
>>article documents, why give them any money??
>>
>>———- Forwarded message ———-
>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>> From: stefan lemieszewski
>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>
>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>
>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>> titled “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.” If someone has access I would
>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>> Stefan Lemieszewski
>>
>> —————————————————————————
>>
>> North Shore News
>> February 2, 1997
>>
>> Insights from abroad
>> Doug Collins
>>
>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>> served in Hiler’s forces as high ranking officers.
>>
>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>> about “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.”
>>
>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>> was Erhard Milch, who “masterminded German aircraft production and
>> transformed the Luftwaffe.” His father was Jewish.
>>
>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of “mixed Jewish race or
>> married to Jews.” They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>
>> Seventeen “Jews in Nazi uniform” were awarded the Knights Cross,
>> Germany’s highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>> more. The research is continuing.
>>
>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>> alive.
>>
>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>> father, “wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle.”
>>
>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>> whether they were “victims or perpetrators.”
>>
>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>
>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>> documents in the process.
>>
>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler’s Germany; also that no Jew> could
>> ever have fought for Hitler.
>>
>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, “It makes
>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated.”
>>
>> He stated, too, that Rigg’s research would “inform both the argument
>> about Hitler’s role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans.”
>>
>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg’s research may be
>> used by “deniers.” But most “deniers” do not deny that large numbers of
>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>
>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>
>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>> was a Jew.
>>
>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>
>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>> one were seen as “mixed race” and were also denied full citizenship.
>>
>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>
>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of “Aryan descent.” Milch, sentenced to a
>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>
>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>
>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>> plotting against Hitler.
>>
>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>
>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>> wonder why?
>>
>> —The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>
>>
>>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled – as Fertiliser
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On Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:38:20 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:47:49 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:13:38 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>The article below, from dejanews, seems to have much relevance, now
>>>that cardinal Glemp has had the guts to tell the Jews to stop
>>>interfering in the internal affairs of Poland!!!
>>>On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:37:14 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>I think that you forgot the Polish JEW, Felix Dzerzhinski, the subhuman
>>>>who established the Soviet secret police.
>>>>he and his gangs of murdering JEW Kommissars are responsible for the
>>>>murders of tens of millions in Russia, as well as the more than 30
>>>>millions they killed in the Ukraine!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>>Clancy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> “Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism.”
>>>>> (The American Bulletin, Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>>>
>>>>> Top Jewish Communists
>>>
>>>>> Of the top 556 functionaries in the first Communist Russian
>>>>> government, over 400 were Jews. Of the first 119 members of the
>>>>> Communist Russian Council ruling Russia, 81 were Jews.
>>>
>>>>> V.I. Lenin, supreme dictator. Leon Bronstein (Trotsky): supreme commander
>>>>> of the Soviet Red Army. Grigory Apfelbaum (Zinoviev): executive, Soviet
>>>>> Secret Police. Solomon Lozovsky: deputy Soviet foreign minister. Maxim
>>>>> Wallach (Litvinov): Soviet foreign minister. Yuri Andropov: director,
>>>>> Soviet KGB, later supreme dictator of the Soviet Union.
>>>
>>>>> Jacob Sverdlov: first president of the Soviet Union. Sverdlov ordered the
>>>>> massacre of the Czar’s family–women and children–in the town named after
>>>>> Catherine the Great, Yekaterinburg, (renamed Sverdlovsk in 1924 in honor of
>>>>> the murderer).
>>>
>>>>> Jacob Yurovsky: commander, Soviet Secret Police. Yurovsky led the death
>>>>> squad which carried out Sverdlov’s order for the murder of the Czar’s
>>>>> family, including the bayoneting to death of the Czar’s daughters. The
>>>>> Ipatyev house, where, in the basement, the massacre had occurred, stood
>>>>> intact until 1977, when the local Communist party boss at that time, Boris
>>>>> Yeltsin, ordered it demolished, lest it become a shrine to anti-Jewish
>>>>> sentiment.
>>>
>>>>> Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich : chief mass murderer for Stalin, ordered
>>>>> the deaths of millions and the wholesale destruction of Christian monuments
>>>>> and churches, including the great Cathedral of Christ the Savior.
>>>>> Standing amid the rubble of the cathedral, Kaganovich proclaimed,
>>>>> “Mother Russia is cast down. We have ripped away her skirts.”
>>>>> (N.Y. Times, Sept. 26, 1995).
>>>
>>>>> Mikhail Kaganovich: deputy commissar of heavy industry, supervisor of slave
>>>>> labor, brother of Lazar. Rosa Kaganovich: Stalin’s mistress; sister of
>>>>> Lazar. Paulina Zhemchuzina: member of the Central Committee and wife of
>>>>> Soviet Foreign Minister Molotov. Olga Bronstein: officer, Soviet Cheka
>>>>> Secret Police, sister of Trotsky, wife of Kamenev.
>>>
>>>>> Genrikh Yagoda: chief of Soviet Secret Police, mass murderer
>>>>> extraordinaire. (Jewish poet Romain Rolland, winner of the Nobel Prize,
>>>>> wrote a hymn of praise to Yagoda).
>>>
>>>>> Matvei Berman and Naftaly Frenkel: founders, the Gulag death camp system.
>>>
>>>>> Lev Inzhir, commissar for Soviet death camp transit and administration.
>>>>> Boris Berman: executive officer of the Soviet Secret Police and brother of
>>>>> Matvei. K.V. Pauker: chief of operations, Soviet NKVD Secret Police.
>>>
>>>>> Firin, Rappoport, Kogan, Zhuk: commissars of death camps and slave labor,
>>>>> supervised the mass deaths of laborers during the construction of the White
>>>>> Sea–Baltic Canal.
>>>
>>>>> M.I. Gay: commander, Soviet Secret Police. Slutsky and Shpiegelglas:
>>>>> commanders, Soviet Secret Police. Isaac Babel: officer, Soviet Secret
>>>>> Police.
>>>
>>>>> Leiba Lazarevich Feldbin (Aleksandr Orlov): commander, Soviet Red Army;
>>>>> officer, Soviet Secret Police. Feldbin was chief of Soviet Security in the
>>>>> Spanish Civil War. He supervised the massacre of Catholic priests and
>>>>> peasants in Spain.
>>>
>>>>> Yona Yakir: general, Soviet Red Army, member of the Central Committee.
>>>>> Dimitri Shmidt: general, Soviet Red Army. Yakov (“Yankel”) Kreiser:
>>>>> general, Soviet Red Army. Miron Vovsi: general, Soviet Red Army.
>>>
>>>>> David Dragonsky: general, Soviet Red Army, Hero of the Soviet Union.
>>>>> Grigori Shtern: general, Soviet Red Army. Mikhail Chazkelevich: general,
>>>>> Soviet Red Army. Shimon Kirvoshein: general, Soviet Red Army. Arseni
>>>>> Raskin: deputy-commander, Soviet Red Army. Haim Fomin, commander of
>>>>> Brest-Litovsk, Soviet Red Army. At least one hundred Soviet generals were
>>>>> Jewish (cf. Canadian Jewish News, April 19, 1989).
>>>
>>>>> Generals who were not themselves Jewish often had Jewish wives. Among these
>>>>> were Marshal Voroshilov, Marshal Bulganin, Marshal Peresypkin and General
>>>>> Pavel Sudoplatov (Sudoplatov assassinated hundreds of Christian leaders
>>>>> including Ukranian Catholic Archbishop Teodor Romzha). This Jewish wife
>>>>> “insurance policy” extended to Politburo members such as Andrei Andreyev
>>>>> and Leonoid Brezhnev.
>>>
>>>>> Sergei Eisenstein: director of communist propaganda films which depicted
>>>>> Christian peasants (kulaks) as hideous, money-grabbing parasites. The
>>>>> kulaks were subsequently massacred. (Cf. for example Eisenstein’s Bezhin
>>>>> Meadow).
>>>
>>>>> KOMZET: commission for the settlement of Jewish Communists on land seized
>>>>> from murdered Christians in Ukraine; funded by Jewish-American financier
>>>>> Julius Rosenwald.
>>>
>>>>> Ilya Ehrenburg, Minister of Soviet Propaganda he won the Order of Lenin
>>>>> and the Stalin Prize. He willed his papers to the Israeli Yad Vashem
>>>>> ‘Holocaust’ Museum.
>>>
>>>>> Solomon Mikhoels: commissar of Soviet propaganda. Soviet film
>>>>> propagandists: Mark Donsky, Leonid Lukov, Yuli Reisman, Vasily
>>>>> Grossman,Yevgeny Gabrilovich, Boris Volchok and Lillian Hellman (old movies
>>>>> written by her continue to be broadcast on American telelvision).
>>>
>>>>> Soviet propagandist: Yevgeny Khaldei who staged the photo of the raising of
>>>>> the hammer and sickle flag over the Reichstag in Berlin, May 2, 1945.
>>>>> Afterward, a special plane was waiting to fly Khaldei, Stalin’s top Tass
>>>>> photographer, to a Moscow lab, where his photo was further doctored (loot
>>>>> displayed on one of the Soviet soldier’s wrists was removed in the negative
>>>>> and Khaldei added clouds and smoke to the scene for dramatic effect (see
>>>>> photo of Khaldei and his beloved flag at left). Khaldei continued to work
>>>>> as a premier Soviet propagandist until his retirement from Pravda in 1972.
>>>>> His Communist propaganda is proudly on display at the Jewish Museum of New
>>>>> York and the Jewish Museum of San Francisco.
>>>
>>>>> Nikolai Bukharin: Lenin’s chief theorist. Samuel Agursky: commissar. Karl
>>>>> Radek: member, Central Committee. Mikhail Gruzenberg (Borodin) commissar.
>>>>> A.A. Yoffe: commissar. David Ryazanov: advisor to Lenin. Lev Grigorievich
>>>>> Levin: physician, poisoner of Stalin’s enemies. Lev Rosenfeld (Kamenev):
>>>>> member of the Central Committee.
>>>
>>>>> Ivan Maisky: Soviet Ambassador to Britain. Itzik Solomonovich Feffer:
>>>>> commissar, Soviet Secret Police. Abraham Sutskever: Soviet
>>>>> terrorist-partisan. Mark Osipovich Reizen: Soviet propagandist, winner of
>>>>> three Stalin Prizes. Lev Leopold Trepper: Soviet espionage officer.
>>>
>>>>> Bela Kun (Kohen): supreme dictator of Hungary in 1919. Kun was later
>>>>> Stalin’s chief terrorist in the Crimea. Kun’s eventual successor was Matyas
>>>>> Rakosi, Jewish Communist mass murderer of Christians in Hungary. According
>>>>> to the Jewish Telegraph Agency of May 14, 1997, Jews “…played key roles
>>>>> in ushering Communist rule into Hungary. In fact, during the brutal
>>>>> oppression of the early 1950s, the regime’s top five leaders were Jews. ”
>>>
>>>>> Zakharovich Mekhlis: top executioner for Stalin. Henrykas Zimanas: leader
>>>>> of Lithuanian communist terrorists, butcher of Christians.
>>>
>>>>> Moshe Pijade (sometimes spelled Piade): commander, Yugoslav Communist
>>>>> People’s Army. Tito’s top butcher of hundreds of thousands of Croatian
>>>>> Christians. Pijade later served as president of the Yugoslav Communist
>>>>> Parliament. At least eighteen generals in the Yugoslav Communist People’s
>>>>> Army were Jewish. The Yugoslavian communist party sent massive arms
>>>>> shipments to Jewish fighters in Palestine in the 1940s.
>>>
>>>>> In post-war Poland that nation was completely dominated by Jewish
>>>>> communists: the torturer Jacek Rozanski, head of the Secret Police;
>>>>> the Politboro commander Jacob Berman and commissars Minc, Specht
>>>>> (Olszewski) and Spychalski.
>>>
>>>>> These men murdered or deported to Kolyma and the other Arctic death
>>>>> camps, tens of thousands of Catholic Poles.
>>>
>>>>> According to Jewish researcher John Sack, “In 1945 many Poles felt (and not
>>>>> without reason) that Jews ran the Office of State Security…the chief of
>>>>> the Office was Jacob Berman, a Jew, and all or almost all the department
>>>>> heads were Jews.” Sack reports that 75% of the officers of the Communist
>>>>> Secret Police in Silesia were Jews. He noted that many Jews in the
>>>>> Communist terror apparatus in Poland changed their names to Polish ones
>>>>> like : (cf. John Sack, The New Republic, Feb. 14, 1994, p. 6.
>>>
>>>>> ROMAN ROMKOWSKI (Natan Grunspau Kikiel),
>>>>> JULIUSZ HIBNER (David Schwartz).
>>>>> JOZEF ROZANSKI (Goldberg)
>>>>> JERZY BORESZA ( Goldberg)
>>>>> ROMAN ZAMBROWSKI (Rubin Nussbaum)
>>>>> EUGENIUSZ SZYR
>>>>> LUNA BYSTRYGIER .
>>>>> ANATOL FEIGIN
>>>>> JOZEF SWIATLO
>>>>> Capt. STUDENCKI
>>>>> Lt. JURKOWSKI.
>>>>> ZYGMUNT OKRET
>>>>> TADEUSZ ZABLUDOWSKI
>>>>> ROMAN WERLF.
>>>>> LEON KASMAN,
>>>
>>>>> Generals: WIKTOR GROSZ, ARTHUR STAROWICZ, ADAM SCHAFF,
>>>>> ZYGMUNT MODZELEWSKI,MARIAN NASZKOWSKI,
>>>>> MIECZYSLAW OGRODZINSKI, JULIUSZ KATZ-SUCHYSa
>>>
>>>>> In Poland, “…a disproportionate number of Communists were Jews. In 1930,
>>>>> at its peak, 35% of the members of the party were Jewish. In Communist
>>>>> youth organizations, Jewish membership was even higher, while Communists of
>>>>> Jewish origin occupied most of the seats on the central committee.
>>>>> Communism appealed to some Jews because it opposed anti-Semitism more
>>>>> vigorously than any other Polish party…Jewish Communists reached their
>>>>> apogee in the years immediately after World War Two, when the party
>>>>> leadership was totally in the hands of the prewar Communist leadership that
>>>>> abhorred anti-Semitism.” (Sheldon Kirshner, The Canadian Jewish News, Nov.
>>>>> 5, 1992, p. 16).
>>>
>>>>> Of course when one encounters the issue of Jews, Communists and Catholics
>>>>> in Poland in the Establishment media or universities today, the mass murder
>>>>> of the Polish Catholics at the hands of the Jewish Communists, is never
>>>>> raised.
>>>
>>>>> “The average Pole could not but notice in the Stalinist era that the two most
>>>>> powerful men in the country–Berman and Minc–were both Jewish as was
>>>>> the dreaded security official Rozanski.”
>>>>> Piotr S. Wandycz of Yale University (N.Y. Review of Books,
>>>>> Aug. 18, 1983, p. 51).
>>>
>>>>> Julius Hammer, M.D.: New York abortionist and co-founder of the American
>>>>> communist party. Armand Hammer: fundraiser and financier for Lenin and
>>>>> Stalin, son of Julius.
>>>
>>>>> Lev Davidovich Landau: Stalinist physicist, co-father of the Soviet atomic
>>>>> bomb. Klaus Fuchs: helped steal atomic bomb secrets for Stalin. Ruth
>>>>> Werner: colonel, Red Army GRU intelligence, assisted Fuchs. Julius and
>>>>> Ethel Rosenberg: stole American atomic bomb secrets for Stalin. Morris
>>>>> Cohen (Peter Kroger): assisted the Rosenbergs. Markus Wolf: chief of
>>>>> German Communist Stasi Secret Police.
>>>
>>>>> Howard Fast: American communist propagandist for Stalin. David
>>>>> Dubinsky: Stalin’s ally, head of the U.S. International Ladies Garment
>>>>> Workers Union. Nahum Goldmann: founder, World Jewish Congress, communist
>>>>> propagandist. Rabbi Moses Rosen: agent, Romanian communist party. Victor
>>>>> Rothschild: top British espionage agent for Stalin.
>>>
>>>>> Mark Zborowski: “…considered by historians of Soviet terror operations to
>>>>> have been the most fearsome…(Soviet) spy of all time” (Stephen Schwartz,
>>>>> Forward, Jan. 26, 1996). Zborowski, a medical researcher, murdered a
>>>>> dissident with a poisoned orange at the Soviet-run hospital in Paris.
>>>>> Zborowski was implicated in several other assassinations in 1936 and 1937.
>>>>> In the 1940s worked for both the American Jewish Committee and the KGB. In
>>>>> the 1960s Zborowski worked as a medical researcher at Mount Zion Hospital
>>>>> in San Francisco. He trained numerous psychiatrists and medical specialists
>>>>> in the Bay Area. He died in 1990 (cf. “The Strange Case of Doctor Zborowski
>>>>> and Monsieur Etienne” by Philippe Videlier, in Le Monde Diplomatique, Dec.
>>>>> 1992).
>>>
>>>>> The African National Congress (ANC) in South Africa was guided by two
>>>>> Communist Jews, Albie Sachs, “one of its foremost intellectuals”( London
>>>>> Sunday Times, Aug. 29, 1993) and Yossel Mashel Slovo (Joe Slovo).
>>>
>>>>> Slovo was born in a shtetl in Lithuania and grew up speaking Yiddish and
>>>>> studying the Talmud. He joined the ANC’s terrorist wing, the Umkhonto we
>>>>> Sizwe, in 1961 and eventually became its commander. He was named Secretary
>>>>> General of the South African Communist Party in 1986. (“Joe Slovo,” Jewish
>>>>> Chronicle, Jan. 13, 1995).
>>>
>>>>> Slovo had been the ” planner of many of the ANC terrorist attacks,
>>>>> including the 1983 car bomb that killed 19 people and injured many
>>>>> others… Slovo, who had traveled to the Soviet Union many times, was
>>>>> awarded a Soviet medal on his 60th birthday…Slovo is a dedicated
>>>>> Communist, a Marxist Leninist without morality of any kind, for whom only
>>>>> victory counts, whatever the human cost, whatever the bloodshed…Slovo
>>>>> disputes little of his image as ‘the Communist mastermind’ behind the ANC’s
>>>>> armed struggle. For him the fears of South Africa’s whites are both a
>>>>> measure of the ANC’s growing strength and a crucial factor in hastening
>>>>> what he believes will be its ultimate victory. ‘Revolutionary violence has
>>>>> created the inspirational impact that we had intended, and it has won for
>>>>> the ANC its leading position,’ Slovo said.” (“Rebel Strategist Seeks to End
>>>>> Apartheid,” L.A. Times, Aug. 16, 1987, p. 14). When Nelson Mandela’s ANC
>>>>> took over South Africa, Slovo was named Minister of Housing.
>>>
>>>>> Slovo, a Yiddish-speaking Lithuanian Jew, was Secretary General of the
>>>>> South African Communist Party and director of the military wing of the ANC,
>>>>> which perpetrated numerous terror bombings against white civilians.
>>>
>>>>> Ambassador David Rowl and Franches wrote about his experiences in
>>>>> Russia at that tragic time in RUSSIA FROM THE AMERICAN EMBASSY,
>>>>> Scribner, 1921. He declared
>>>
>>>>> “…The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews, and 90% of
>>>>> whom are returned exiles, are little for Russia or any other
>>>>> country but are internationalists, and they are trying to start a
>>>>> world-wide social revolution.”
>>>
>>>>> From the DIRECTORATE OF INTELLIGENCE, THE BRITISH WAR
>>>>> CABINET, (CAB 214/83,July 3, 1916) Came the report:
>>>
>>>>> “Definite evidence has been received that the leaders in the
>>>>> Bolshevik movement in England, France, and America are in touch
>>>>> with one another and with Moscow, and that the Bolshevik movement
>>>>> is an INTERNATIONAL CONSPIRACY OF JEWS.”
>>>
>>>>> One could add, a financial-banking conspiracy with most of the money for
>>>>> the Russian Revolution coming from New York Jewish Bankers.
>>>
>>>>> THE AMERICAN HEBREW, September 10, 1920:
>>>
>>>>> “The Bolshevist Revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish
>>>>> brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal
>>>>> is to create a New Order in the world. [a New World Order – sound
>>>>> familiar??] What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia,
>>>>> thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>>>> and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish
>>>>> mental and physical forces, become a reality all over the world.”
>>>
>>>>> DR. OSCAR LEVY in his Preface to THE WORLD SIGNIFICANCE
>>>>> OF THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION by George Pitt-Rivers (1920):
>>>
>>>>> “Bolshevism is a religion and a faith. How could those
>>>>> half-converted believers dream to vanquish the “Truthful” and the
>>>>> faithful of their own creed … who had gathered around the Red
>>>>> Standard of the prophet Karl Marx, and who fought under the
>>>>> guidance of those experienced officers of all latter – day
>>>>> revolutions – the Jews?”
>>>
>>>>> GEORGE MARLEN, in STALIN, TROTSKY, OR LENIN, on page
>>>>> 414 New York (1937):
>>>
>>>>> “If the tide of history does not turn toward Communist
>>>>> Internationalism, then the Jewish race is doomed”
>>>
>>>>> THE LONDON JEWISH CHRONICLE, 4-4-1921:
>>>
>>>>> “…there is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact
>>>>> that so many Jews are Bolshevists, in the fact that the ideals of
>>>>> Bolshevism at many points are consonant with the finest ideals of
>>>>> Judaism.”
>>>
>>>>> CHICAGO JEWISH SENTINEL, 10-8-1942:
>>>
>>>>> “The Second World War is being fought for the defense of the
>>>>> fundamentals of Judaism.”
>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth Dilling in her excellent book THE JEWISH RELIGION:
>>>>> ITS INFLUENCE TODAY writes:
>>>
>>>>> “Only through (a) thorough understanding of the ideology from
>>>>> which this collectivism originates, and those who dominate and
>>>>> propagate it, can the rest of the world hope to escape the same
>>>>> fate. Communism Socialism was originated by Jews and has been
>>>>> dominated by them from the beginning …. There is no moral,
>>>>> philosophical or ethical conflict whatsoever between Judaism and
>>>>> Marxist collectivism as they exist in actual practice. Marxism,
>>>>> to which all branches of Socialism necessarily adhere, was
>>>>> originated by a Jew, Karl Marx, himself of Rabbinical descent.
>>>>> Every Jewish source today boasts of his rabbinical ancestry, and
>>>>> his “keen dialectical ability” (as presumably manifested by his
>>>>> abstruse, hair-splitting, DESKAPITAL) being due to his Talmudic
>>>>> inheritance …. Marx did not actually originate anything, but
>>>>> merely “streamlined” talmudism for Gentile consumption…”
>>>
>>>>> Dr.OscarLevy in his Preface (mentioned above) also wrote:
>>>
>>>>> “We Jews, who have posed as the Saviors of the World (God’s
>>>>> Chosen People – what a lie!) we today are nothing else but the
>>>>> world’s seducers, its destroyers, its incendiaries, its
>>>>> executioners.”
>>>
>>>>> Bernard Lazare, in his “L’Anti-semitisme” p.350 wrote:
>>>
>>>>> “The jew is not satisfied with de-Christianizing, he Judaizes. He
>>>>> destroys … faith, he provokes indifference, but he imposes his
>>>>> idea of the world, of morals, and of life upon those whose faith
>>>>> he ruins; he works his age-old task, the annihilation of the
>>>>> religion of (Jesus) Christ.”
>>>
>>>>> “There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of
>>>>> Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by
>>>>> these international and for the most part atheistical Jews.”
>>>>> On Feb. 8, 1920 the Illustrated Sunday Herald: by Winston Churchill.
>>>
>>>>> “In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more
>>>>> astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed, the principal, part in the
>>>>> system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating
>>>>> Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by
>>>>> Jewesses.
>>>
>>>>> “The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of
>>>>> terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been
>>>>> presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has
>>>>> been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people.
>>>
>>>>> “…The fact that in many cases Jewish interests and Jewish places of
>>>>> worship are excepted by the Bolsheviks from their universal hostility has
>>>>> tended more and more to associate the Jewish race in Russia with villainies
>>>>> which are now being perpetrated…Needless to say, the most intense
>>>>> passions of revenge have been excited in the breasts of the Russian
>>>>> people.”
>>>
>>>>> “It was Communism which toppled the hated Czars, Communism which
>>>>> removed Jewish disabilities and proscribed anti-Semitism and Communism
>>>>> which, in its early days at least, opened the doors to Jewish advancement.”
>>>>> Chaim Bermant, writing in the Jewish Chronicle (Aug. 30, 1991)
>>>
>>>>> “The clever Russian is almost always a Jew or has Jewish blood in him.”
>>>>> (Dmitri Volkogonov, Lenin: A New Biography, p.112).
>>>
>>>>> Lenin declared, “We are exterminating the bourgeoisie as a class.” His
>>>>> partner in crime, Apfelbaum (Zinoviev) stated: “The interests of the
>>>>> revolution require the physical annihilation of the bourgeoisie class.” Who
>>>>> were these bourgeoisie? Certainly not Jews. Trotsky gave a clue to their
>>>>> identity in a 1937 interview in the New York Jewish newspaper, Daily
>>>>> Forward: “The longer the rotten bourgeoisie society lives, the more and
>>>>> more barbaric will anti-Semitism become everywhere.”
>>>
>>>>> Bourgeoisie was a Bolshevik code-word for Gentile. The first law passed
>>>>> after the Communists seized power in Russia made anti-semitism a crime
>>>>> punishable by death. (Izvestia, July 27, 1918).
>>>
>>>>> The top Communist Jewish official Zinoviev stated: “Without mercy, without
>>>>> sparing, we will kill our enemies in scores of hundreds. Let them be
>>>>> thousands; let them drown themselves in their own blood. For the blood of
>>>>> Lenin and Uritzky, Zinoviev and V_lodarsky, let there be floods of the
>>>>> blood of the bourgeoisie–more blood! As much as possible!”
>>>>> (Krasnaya Gazeta, Sept. 1, 1918).
>>>
>>>>> Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s biographer recounts what it was like to grow up as
>>>>> a Russian Christian child among the children of the Jewish communist elite:
>>>>> “By the age of ten he had the cross ripped from his neck by jeering
>>>>> Pioneers and for over a year was held up to ridicule… Solzhenitsyn was,
>>>>> as a boy, exposed to students whose parents had an officially superior
>>>>> status. Most of the members of the Young Pioneers and Komsomol movements,
>>>>> at least in Rostov, were Jewish children…”
>>>>> (Michael Scammell, Solzhenitsyn: A Biography, p. 64).
>>>
>>>>> Here is the most genocidal political movement in world history, which
>>>>> created the largest concentration camps and the most horrendous slave labor
>>>>> system of the 20th century, in which millions of Christians were
>>>>> slaughtered (on the size of the Gulag concentration camp system cf. C.
>>>>> Andrew and O. Gordievsky, KGB: The Inside Story and N.Y. Times, Oct. 22,
>>>>> 1990, p. 82. None of these camps are being preserved for posterity. Most
>>>>> were destroyed long ago by special military brigades; cf. Michael Specter,
>>>>> “Cold Reminder,” N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
>>>
>>>>> “Israelis and American Jews fully agree that the memory of the Holocaust is
>>>>> an indispensable weapon–one that must be used relentlessly against their
>>>>> common enemy…Jewish organizations and individuals thus labor continuously
>>>>> to remind the world of it. In America, the perpetuation of the Holocaust
>>>>> memory is now a $100-million-a-year enterprise, part of which is
>>>>> government-funded.”
>>>
>>>>> the Israeli author Moshe Leshem:( Balaam’s Curse, p. 228)
>>>
>>>>> In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet communist
>>>>> party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of the total
>>>>> population (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
>>>
>>>>> “National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
>>>>> characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme
>>>>> form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>>>> cannibalism…under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
>>>>> penalty.” (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
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On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:34:58 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>
>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand
>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at. See the
>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>be.
>>
>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>>
>>”All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren’t
>>counted by any census – simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>anybody who couldn’t present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>million? We will never know.”
>>
>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>>
>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>most of them probably left and survived.
>>
>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>persons died–e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>>
>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>>
>
>sperati wrote:
>>
>> ———- Forwarded message ———-
>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>> From: stefan lemieszewski
>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>
>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>
>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>> titled “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.” If someone has access I would
>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>
>> —————————————————————————
>>
>> North Shore News
>> February 2, 1997
>>
>> Insights from abroad
>> Doug Collins
>>
>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>> served in Hiler’s forces as high ranking officers.
>>
>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>> about “Jews who wore Nazi uniforms.”
>>
>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>> was Erhard Milch, who “masterminded German aircraft production and
>> transformed the Luftwaffe.” His father was Jewish.
>>
>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of “mixed Jewish race or
>> married to Jews.” They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>
>> Seventeen “Jews in Nazi uniform” were awarded the Knights Cross,
>> Germany’s highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>> more. The research is continuing.
>>
>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>> alive.
>>
>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>> father, “wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle.”
>>
>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>> whether they were “victims or perpetrators.”
>>
>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>
>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>> documents in the process.
>>
>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler’s Germany; also that no Jew
>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>
>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, “It makes
>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated.”
>>
>> He stated, too, that Rigg’s research would “inform both the argument
>> about Hitler’s role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans.”
>>
>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg’s research may be
>> used by “deniers.” But most “deniers” do not deny that large numbers of
>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>
>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>
>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>> was a Jew.
>>
>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>
>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>> one were seen as “mixed race” and were also denied full citizenship.
>>
>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>
>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of “Aryan descent.” Milch, sentenced to a
>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>
>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>
>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>> plotting against Hitler.
>>
>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>
>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>> wonder why?
>>
>> —The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>
>
>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>
>
>
>On 9 Sep 1998 23:34:21 GMT, [email protected] (SBobrow940) wrote:
>
>>I suggest that everybody get information from the research done by Biggs or
>>read The Daily Telegraph about Bigg’s findings.
>>Check it for yourself and draw conclusions.
>>Bigg’s writes about Mischlings – people of mixed desent (German/Jewish).
>>If you want to act intelligently read also the Nurenmberg laws, inacted in the
>>Reich in 1935.
>>Everything else “provided” here by Pawlikowski and the likes is a flat
>>falsehood.
>>Another lie that some try to spread here is a number of 300,000 Jews who,
>>according to the same liers, served in the Wehrmacht.. The total Jewish
>>population in the Reich in 1933 was 600,000. It was before the Kristallnacht
>>(1935) and increased emigration of the German Jews to Palestine.
>>Only Polish-Nazis or other Nazis can try to hype this “information”.
>>The same happened already with another hype about Zyklon-B.
>>
>>Slawomir Bobrowski
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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach
>wrote:
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>> By Dr. E. R. Fields
>> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world’s sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>>
>> NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON’T ADD UP
>>
>> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted “to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine.”
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>> With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust “survivors” had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real “bible”, The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>> The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death “in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as “gospel truth”.
>> It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>”extermination camp”.
>>
>> HIMMLER-“REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS”
>>
>> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that “The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs.” (Source,
>>Reitlinger’s book, “The Final Solution.”)
>> The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler’s
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, “Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates.” (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the “shockingly high mortality figures.” (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of “extermination?”
>> With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>”Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals”. It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>> THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, “Books and Bookmen”, April 1975, page 5,
>>”No gassing took place in any camp on German soil.”
>> The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>> This brings up the following questions.
>> 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>> 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>> 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>> 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, “The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them.” (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>> FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>> Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such “confessions” are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the “Confession’ and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>> Hoess statement read, “half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking.”
>> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not “ventable”. The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber “eating and smoking” – without
>>gas masks – only minutes after the gassing – IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>> GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, “The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann” pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>”became immediately gaseous.”
>> The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: “We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air.”
>>
>> CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), “We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped.” If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>> THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT’S ALL! In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18′ doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>> A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer’s book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich.” It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company’s ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>> “The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning.”
>> WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people – this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>> It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was “taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!”
>>
>> WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. “It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps.”
>> Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: “I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there.”
>> Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>”The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie – the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time.”
>> Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. “The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel.”
>>
>> WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, “Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists.”
>> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, “The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews.”
>> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: “The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews.”
>> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being “anti-Semitic” and “insensitive” to holocaust
>>victims.
>> The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>> A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>> The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don’t use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>> HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.
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On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:15:01 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:50:06 GMT, [email protected]
>>wrote:
>>>On 20 Oct 1998 14:46:50 GMT, “firefly”
>>>wrote:
>>>>THE CROSS IS NOBODY BUSSINESS< IT IS ON POLAND LAND
>>>>POLAND HAS THE RIGHT TO PUT WHAT THEY WANT INSIDE
>>>>IN THEIR COUNTRY.THIS IS INTERNAL AFFAIR < IT IS NOT AOUR
>>>>AFFAIR.COMPRENDE!!!!
>>>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:41:02 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2
>>>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>>
>>>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) – An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz.
>>>>
>>>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>>>sensitive site.
>>>>
>>>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>>>Poland’s image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>>>groups.
>>>>
>>>>>“The conflict strikes a blow at Poland’s interests and must be resolved as
>>>>>swiftly as possible,” prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency. “We are beginning to be perceived
>>>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,” she added.
>>>>
>>>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>>>site inevitable.
>>>>
>>>>>DO’S AND DONT’S AT AUSCHWITZ
>>>>
>>>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>>>of them Jews, in World War II. Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site.
>>>>
>>>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex.
>>>>
>>>>>Poland’s center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>>>human ashes at Birkenau.
>>>>
>>>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar.
>>>>
>>>>>Switon’s campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>>>and nationalists.
>>>>
>>>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>>>forgotten.
>>>>
>>>>>But Switon’s support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>>>be removed.
>>>>>
>>>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated.
>>>>>
>>>>>“The cross is a major problem,” said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. “I don’t know the answer but the cross, all
>>>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>>>the-scene discussion.”
>>>>>
>>>>>“We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>>>community,” said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, “But I don’t see any
>>>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>>>the moment.”
>>>>
>>>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE
>>>>
>>>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>>>and the Jewish diaspora.
>>>>
>>>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>>>international funding, are on hold.
>>>>
>>>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently.
>>>>
>>>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the “Judenrampe,” the
>>>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign.
>>>>
>>>>>“No. 1 is to preserve the site,” said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>>>Holocaust Museum Council. “We’re talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>>>concrete, the crematories.”
>>>>
>>>>>A new visitors’ center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda.
>>>>
>>>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>>>Hitler’s troops implemented the “Final Solution,” wiping out most of
>>>>>Poland’s pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population.
>>>>
>>>>>“I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,” said Agnieszka
>>>>>Magdziak-Miszewska.
>>>>
>>>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable.
>>>>
>>>>>“We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>>>us for a long time,” said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland’s tiny
>>>>>Jewish community.
>>>
