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FRONT MAN FOR FASCISM: “Bo” Gritz and the Racist Populist Party

A Background Research Report

by People Against Racist Terror (PART), Burbank, California

Copyright 1992, PART

| For more information about the campaign to oppose Gritz and
| the Populists, contact PART, People Against Racist Terror,
| P.O. Box 1990, Burbank CA 91507

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This is the text of the PART report on Bo Gritz. A previous
unauthorized edited version containing less than half of the full text
of the PART report was circulated previously on electronic networks.
That text should deleted and replaced with this complete version,
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FRONT MAN FOR FASCISM: “Bo” Gritz and the Racist Populist Party

Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. “Bo” Gritz and his
supporters must know the truth of this bit of country common
sense.

Yet four years ago, Bo Gritz (rhymes with Knights)
accepted a nomination to run for Vice-President of the United
States on a ticket with “former” Ku Klux Klan grand dragon
David Duke, from the Populist Party. And now, Bo is preparing
to run as the Populist Party candidate for President in 1992. In
1988, Bo had the good sense to resign from the ticket and run for
Congress from Nevada instead. But even as neo-nazi David
Duke parlayed the credibility he got from his Populist
presidential run into electoral success in Louisiana as a
Republican, Bo Gritz has attached himself irrevocably to the
Populist Party as its candidate for President.

In recent years, Gritz has re-established a good deal of
the credibility he lost several years ago after his naked self-
promotion for an abortive “raid” on south-east Asia. He claimed
he was going to find and free MIA’s supposedly still held
captive. Whereas then, Gritz directed most of his fund-raising
efforts at the Hollywood right, like Clint Eastwood and William
Shatner, he has recently been focusing his speaking and fund-
raising activities in California and elsewhere around the
country more at progressives and others concerned about
George Bush and the New World Order. Gritz has been
speaking out about his discoveries of CIA involvement in heroin
trading in south-east Asia and his awareness while heading
Green Beret counter-insurgency efforts in Latin America of
similar involvement in cocaine dealing.

As a result, he has been developing a wide audience, and
to some degree a following, among opponents of U.S.
intervention in the Third World. Leftists and even pacifists, who
would otherwise be extremely suspicious of this militarist, have
gone to hear him speak and been impressed by his exposes of
government double-dealing and corruption. He has had
substantial air-time on Pacifica radio; representatives of groups
such as the Christic Institute have made joint appearances
with him. Now, Gritz is trying to influence such people into
supporting his Populist Party presidential bid.

The Populist Party, in spite of its friendly, democratic
sounding name, is an amalgamation of “former” Klansmen,
nazis, and other racist far-right wingers that was cobbled
together in 1984 with the support of Willis Carto, long
considered an anti-Semite and Hitler apologist, and his Liberty
Lobby. Carto was a member of the Populists’ National Executive
Committee from its inception. The Party’s first presidential
candidate in 1984, Rev. Bob Richards, virtually ceased
campaigning in embarrassment over the racist nature of the
party apparatus. Duke, its 1988 nominee, of course had no such
misgivings. Its first chairman, Robert Weems, a former
Mississippi KKK leader, described its strategy; “We Populists
have adopted a tri-partisan approach… we share with Lyndon
LaRouche…, within both major parties and through the
Populist Party itself.” (Lyndon LaRouche is another neo-nazi
political figure backed by Carto who is now in federal prison.)

Carrying out this strategy, the KKK/Populist David Duke
ran in the Democratic Presidential primaries, then in the
general election as a Populist, then in a special election in
Louisiana as a Republican. He used the notoriety, name
recognition, and national fund-raising base he built with the
Populists to win a seat in the state legislature and espouse his
“sanitized” racism. Even after winning office as a Republican
in 1989, Duke met with the Populists, including such party
stalwarts as Chicago nazi leader Art Jones. “Bo” has been
following the same multi-party strategy. Even after he resigned
from the Populist ticket with Duke in 19888, to run in the
Republican primary in Nevada, he wrote to the party, “I intend
to offer the Populist Party platform in my campaign, and carry
it forward in public office.” Luckily, he lost in the primary.
What is the Populist Party platform and who are the
Populist leaders? Racism and racists, only thinly disguised.
Don Wassall, the Pennsylvania state chairman who became
National Executive Director and now is locked in a power
struggle with Carto–the latest in a series of faction fights over
control of party finances–used the party’s newspaper, the
Populist Observer, to reprint explicitly racist material from the
“National Democratic Front,” an avowed white supremacist
group based in Maryland.

Ralph Forbes, who ran Duke’s Populist Campaign, is
another “ex” nazi and “ex” Klansman, who then switched
parties to run for office in Arkansas. While with the Populists,
he ran a “Christian Identity”-oriented radio ministry called
“The Sword of Christ.” He recently filed suit to prevent a
medical school in his state from teaching about abortions.
Forbes continues to be closely associated with the Knights of the
Ku Klux Klan leader Thom Robb, who recently declared that the
KKK intends to train “one thousand David Dukes.”

Van Loman, who chaired the Ohio chapter of the Populist
Party, and ran under its banner for the Cincinnati City Council,
was formerly the Grand Dragon of the Ohio Knights of the Ku
Klux Klan.

Jerry Pope, once the state Populist chair in Kentucky,
was an organizer of the National States Rights Party, the
segregationist, anti-semitic grouping led by convicted
Birmingham church bomber J.B. Stoner. (Interestingly, when
Duke switched to the Republicans and won a seat in the
Louisiana legislature, his opponent, endorsed by the “official”
Republican apparatus from Reagan and Bush on down, had
also been a member of the racist NSRP.)

In Washington State, in 1989, the United Front Against
Fascism held several successful demonstrations against the
Populists, thwarting their efforts to obtain ballot status in one
county. As a result, anti-racist organizers received death
threats, The Christian Sons of Liberty, an “Identity” group
central to Populist organizing there, put out viscous red-baiting
and anti-gay attacks on UFAF leaders. The CSL published
home addresses of UFAF organizers, in a clear attempt to
foment violence.

Locally in California, the Populist Part is cut from the
same mold. California has always been one of the strongest
state affiliates of the Populists. David Duke raised 11% of the
funds for his Louisiana legislative race in California. Half the
money for his gubernatorial campaign came from outside of
Louisiana, much of it from California. Local leaders of the
Populists have included former San Fernando/Simi Valley
Klan leader Dennis Hilligoss, and Harbor-area nazi activist Joe
Fields, an associate of Nazi party chieftain Stan Witek and Tom
Metzger of WAR (White Aryan Resistance). Fields is, in fact, a
member of the party’s National Executive Committee.

Behind the Gritz campaign, the Populists have become
the most active neo-nazi group in southern California, and are
successfully uniting a variety of racists in their ranks. This
year, the Populists have sponsored several programs in Orange
County, one featuring John Tyndall, leader of the neo-nazi
National Front in England. Another spotlighted the impeached
ex-governor of Arizona, Evan Mecham, whose reactionary
forces have allied with fundamentalist preacher Pat Robertson
to take over the Republican Party in his home state. Among the
participants at the Populist parlay was Kim Badynski, head of
the virulent Northwest Knights of the Ku Klux Klan based in
Washington State. In Ventura County and up north to Alameda
County, the California Populists have held party meetings to
commemorate Aldolf Hitler’s birthday. Such Populist
organizing legitimizes the fear and hatred of the privileged for
the oppressed that generates hate crime.

The danger of the Populists and the Gritz campaign is
not that he will win the presidency. As of this writing, the
Populists have not yet achieved ballot status in any state;
(although here in California, they will presumably run under
the American Independent banner, a recognized state party
still on the ballot since running George Wallace for President in
the sixties). The real danger is that the Populists will succeed in
further legitimizing racist and anti-semitic politics. They have
a long-range goal, of unifying Christian rightists and Christian
patriots, anti-abortionists and anti-semites, into an apparatus
dominated by neo-nazis. With Gritz, they have the added bonus
at the same time of coopting or at least disarming progressive
forces that would have otherwise have exposed and opposed
them. Unifying with Gritz would inevitably discredit the white
left with the movements for immigrants rights, Black
empowerment, women’s liberation and gay and lesbian dignity.

No one concerned about conspiracies and abuse of
government power, about spiritual development or the survival
of the planet, should offer the racist and fascistic oriented
Populist Party a shred of legitimacy. The Ku Klux Klan has
always been the number one racist conspiratorial group in U.S.
history, seeking power to carry out its divisive and destructive
program. The Populist Party is the latest hood these night
riders have put on to mask their identities so they can win
popular support for carrying out their racist terror. DON’T BE
HOOD-WINKED!

The problem with “Bo” Gritz’s Populist candidacy is not
merely one of guilt by association with neo-nazis. Gritz himself
openly embraces the Populists’ politics of anti-semitism,
racism, anti-immigrant hysteria and anti-gay bigotry. As
criticism has begun to emerge of the Populists, Gritz has
claimed in his speaking engagements that he has “cleaned
house” since the Duke days. But this is an outright lie. Joe
Fields, for example, the open neo-nazi who heads the Populists
in L.A., is also a current national officer of the Party. What’s
more, Gritz’s connections to racists and anti-semites extend
beyond the ranks of the Populist Party itself.

For example, Gritz is a member of the board of the
Populist Action Committee (PAC), established by Willis Carto of
the Spotlight. Although Carto is on the outs with the current
leadership of the Populist Party, accusing them of financial
mismanagement, he supports Gritz, and Gritz in turn supports
the PAC’s approach of backing sympathetic Democrats and
Republicans as well as Populists. While many of Gritz’s
southern California speaking appearances seem directed at
progressives, the bulk of his organizing and speech-making is
carried out through the apparatus of the “Christian Identity”
movement, which preaches that Anglo-Americans are the true
“chosen people” of the Bible, that Jews are satan-spawn, and
that non-whites are “pre-Adamic,” that is, sub-human. The
Coalition for Human Dignity in Portland, OR has documented
the involvement of the so-called “Christian Patriot” Identity
churches in the Gritz campaign in that state, as well as
participation by nazi skins.

In particular, Gritz is closely tied to the Rev. Pete Peters,
a national leader of Christian Identity based in Ft. Collins, CO.
Gritz has spoken at Peters’ “Scriptures for America” Rocky
Mountain Bible Retreat, also attended by such noted anti-
semites as “Col.” Jack Mohr and by KKK defense attorney Kirk
Lyons. Lyons’ Patriotic Defense Foundation has represented
nazi boneheads, the Order white supremacy underground
sedition defendants, and is now coordination Tom Metzger’s
appeal of his liability for the nazi skin killing of an Ethiopian
refugee. Gritz has spoken at similar Christian Identity
gatherings in the northwest, in Nampa, Idaho, and in North
Carolina, where he has shared the rostrum with neo-nazis.

The connection to Mohr and Peters is particularly
striking because the two were part of the incident which
precipitated the murderous birth of the “Order” or “Bruder
Schweigen,” a neo-nazi underground, in the early 1980’s.
Richard Mathews and David Lane, the founders of this
clandestine, para-military outfit, hooked up at Peter’s La Porte
based “church.” And it was the humiliation of Jack Mohr, a
guest of Peter’s in Colorado, by Denver talk show host Alan
Berg, which prompted the Order conspirators to execute Berg
and initiate their reign of racist terror. (This incident was
dramatized in the films “Talk Radio” and “Betrayed.”) Mohr,
meanwhile, has been promoting the Populist Party since its
inception through his para-military network, the Christian
Patriots Defense League.

In a speech to Peter’s retreat, Gritz acknowledged that
the money to print his self-published campaign autobiography,
“Called to Serve,” came from Rev. Peters. “Called to Serve”
spells out Gritz’s own far-right views pretty clearly. He refers to
the “Rockefeller/Rothschild” Federal Reserve System as being
controlled by “seven Jewish families.” This is not a momentary
aberration or a slip of the tongue. At his “Call for Action ’90”
conference in Nevada, Gritz featured the anti-semitic views of
Eustace Mullins in analyzing the Federal reserve, and he
distributes the work of Mullins, who was a supporter of Erza
Pound and the Italian fascists. Reflecting his Christian Identity
beliefs, Gritz refers to America in “Called to Serve” as “the new
Zion,” and white Christians as “the gathering tribes of Israel.”

These views are also reflected and expressed in Gritz’s
own campaign literature for his Populist candidacy. In a four-
page brochure signed and authorized by Gritz, the ex-Green
Beret couches his program less in electoral than in
revolutionist terms. “We can, we will, we must oust ‘the’
government and restore ‘our’ sovereignty. We need a second
American Revolution.” The racist nature of this revolutionism
is evident in the rest of the platform he puts forward. Referring
to his enemy as “seditious bankers” and “satanic globalists,”
Gritz pledges to “derail their plans and send them back into the
abyss.” The platform is full of xenophobia and racism. “It’s
time to return America to the Americans,… halt the illegal
immigration that is turning America into a Third World
country,… end affirmative action,… end this country’s decedent,
degenerate ways. I’ve spent my life fighting for America, and
now it’s time to fight again. Will you be a part of my grassroots
army?”

This militaristic rhetoric, wrapped in thinly-veiled code
words for anti-Semitism, racism, sexism, and homophobia, is
an invitation to his followers to engage in cross-burnings, gay-
bashings and vandalism. Nor does Gritz try to separate himself
from the party as a whole. He specifically tries to develop “coat-
tails” in his campaign literature, calling on his backers to
support other Populist candidates for state and local offices.

The Populists have been using Gritz’s candidacy to step up
their racist organizing all around the country. PART learned
about the Populists’ L.A. organizing and its local anti-
immigrant, anti-semitic activities while distributing a leaflet
headed “Bo Knows the Truth About the Racist Populist Party,” at
an appearance by Gritz at the L.A. airport Hilton.

Typically, that event was sponsored not by the Populists
themselves, but by a local “new age” bookstore, Mandala Books,
which has been running a conspiracy lecture series. They invited
the Christic Institute to have a table after becoming worried
about Bo’s racist and rightist affiliates. But the Populists also
had a table at the event, and were out in force. They began anti-
Jewish harassment of the anti-racist activist who was
distributing the expose of their racist nature, calling him
alternately a Communist and an agent of the Mossad (Israeli
espionage), and saying he looked like Jewish attorney Alan
Dershowitz. Many of the several hundred people drawn to the event
were evidently disturbed by the Populists’ tactics, and
questioned Gritz about his connections with them during the
event. Gritz defended the party and was more open about his won
rightist politics than he has been in the past.

PART exposed and demonstrated outside a gathering of the
Populists at the Hastings Ranch public library in Pasadena, CA in
September. They were meeting to plan a “Borderwatch”
demonstration for later in the month. They had a speaker from a
group called “Stop Immigration Now,” which has been involved with
“Light Up the Border” demonstrations in San Diego. Another
planned speaker, an Arab doctor who went on a delegation to
Jordan led by Nord Davis, a white racist from North Carolina who
was opposed to the Gulf War, canceled after PART exposed the
meeting and the racist nature of the Populists. We expressed
outrage that the Populists would be promoting anti-immigrant
hysteria on the eve of Mexican independence day, and propagating
anti-semitism in the midst of the Jewish high holidays. The
following month, the Populists met at the library again under
heavy police guard. Five counter-demonstrators were arrested, and
several brutally wrestled down and struck by police in riot gear.

A contingent of about half a dozen Black men associated with
the Self Determination Committee have attended the Populist
events in Pasadena. The Self-Determination Committee, run by a
Black pseudo-nationalist named Robert Brock, has been prominently
allying itself with white supremacist in southern California for
several years. Brock’s most notable association has been with
Daniel Johnson, author of the so-called Pace Amendment to the
Constitution, which would restrict U.S. citizenship to people of
northern European extraction. The Populists have picked up
members from the pace Amendment Advocates, which closed its
Glendale, CA headquarters after Johnson moved to Montana to run
for Congress. They also seem to be emphasizing the anti-Jewish
and anti-immigrant aspects of their politics to cement an
alliance of convenience with Brock’s group. Fields tries to cite
this opportunistic alliance to claim that the Populists are not
racist.

Told they had to put up a bond to cover the costs of police
protection and that they could not exclude people from the
library, the Populists tried to meet elsewhere. In November, the
Populists’ youth front group, Students for America, tried to
sponsor a Populist-inspired conference at Pasadena City College
Featuring Fields, Brock and a speaker from the American
Independent Party (the right-racist group with ballot status in
California which ran both George Wallace and unreconstructed
white racist Lester Maddox for president). The college canceled,
evidently for reasons of security, after the nature of the
gathering was exposed. (PCC students had been among those
arrested at the library demonstrations.) The Populists then tried
to secure the meeting hall of the American Friends Service
Committee in Pasadena under false pretenses. The AFSC also
canceled when they were informed of who it actually was trying to
rent their facility.

The youth group which fronted for the Populists in Pasadena,
“Students for America,” is also organizing on at least one other
campus in this area. Students for America was set up nationally
as the shell of a youth formation for the Populists but now seems
to be taking on a real existence. The chapter at Cal State
University in Northridge, scene of several reason {{sic}} hat
incidents directed against lesbians and gays, Jews and Mexicans,
planned to bring embattled L.A. police chief Daryl Gates to the
campus to speak on Wednesday, Nov. 13. Gates canceled at noon on
the day of his scheduled appearance, supposedly because of fears
of security problems, after students from the BSU, MEChA and
SQUISH, a new lesbian and gay group, planned to demonstrate.
Stefan Khachaturian, who described himself as a regional
coordinator for Students for America, vowed that Gates would come
to speak to a private, closed meeting of the group. Students for
America is also reportedly organizing in the “Inland Empire” area
of Riverside and San Bernardino counties, east of Los Angeles.

JOE FIELDS: THE FACE OF THE POPULISTS

The head of the L.A. County chapter of the Populists, also a
member of its national executive committee, who chaired the
Pasadena meeting, is Joe Fields. One Joe Fields in national
leadership is more than enough to discredit any political
formation, and Fields is typical, not exceptional, in the ranks
of the Populists. Fields has been a nazi activist of long-
standing in the L.A. Harbor area. He has also become a national
“footnote” to the story of David Duke’s campaign for governor of
Louisiana, after a tape recorded interview with Fields and Duke
was widely circulated. On the tape, Fields openly asserted his
nazi identity and beliefs, such as that the Jews deserve
“everything they get, even extermination,” while Duke admonishes
him to be more discreet. It’s ironic that Fields, who boasts on
the tape that he would “never deny” he is a nazi, now is denying
it, having taken Duke’s advice to heart. Fields specifically
opposes democracy on the tape, noting that it allows “anything
that can claim to be human to vote.” His speech is riddled with
references to “kikes” and “niggers.” Now Fields professes to be a
supporter of the Bill of Rights, but on the tape he declares
matter of factly that he would suppress any speech that he deems
not in the interest of the white race.

Like David Duke, Fields has made a career since his youth of
his neo-nazi politics. On the tape he expresses the admiration he
has had for Hitler and the nazis ever since he saw war movies as
a little boy. While a student at L.A. Harbor College, Fields ran
a series of articles in the student newspaper calling the
Holocaust a hoax, some taken without attribution from right-wing
publications. He was disciplined for meeting on campus with Tom
Metzger to plan the distribution of “holo-Hoax” material.

Later, openly acknowledging his nazi affiliation, Fields
joined three other nazi party members in wearing swastikas into
an Oktoberfest celebration at a German restaurant. The nazis were
expelled after refusing to remove the nazi regalia (and because
the bathroom had been vandalized with nazi graffiti on their
previous visit.) Fields sued, represented by the ACLU, and won.
(On the gape, Fields refers to his defenders as the “ACL-Jew”.)
One of Fields’ co-plaintiffs in the swastika case, nazi party
chieftain Stan Witek, was convicted on weapons and assault
charges and more recently for conspiracy for burning crosses in
L.A. along with Tom Metzger during this same period of time.
Fields himself got into a brawl with Jewish activists at a City
Council action in 1988 on the swastika case.

After “leaving” the nazis, Fields was closely associated
with the Institute for Historical Review, set up to question
Hitler’s genocide by Willis Carto, publisher of the Spotlight and
founder of the Populist Party. He married a South African woman.
Like David Duke, who underwent plastic surgery, Fields has
changed his appearance; he has trimmed down from a weight that
once exceeded 300 pounds. But neither man has changed his white
supremacist politics. Remember – a vote for “Bo” Gritz is a vote
for Joe Fields and the politics of hate he represents.

PART is planning a continuing campaign against Gritz and the
Populists. Gritz and such backers of his as Craig Hulet (a/k/a
K>C. De Pass) have been getting a lot of air time on KPFK here in
L.A. and other Pacifica Stations. His material has been reprinted
and promoted by the progressive oriented conspiracy catalog from
Prevailing Winds Research in Santa Barbara. Hulet, who also has
been involved in Spotlight and Liberty Lobby circles, claims to
be apolitical but against racism himself, and to have his
disagreements with Gritz. Yet he is urging the left to disregard
or mute criticism of Gritz, claiming such criticisms are really
coming from George Bush and the “globalists.” Gritz returned the
favor by promoting a Hulet meeting in Seattle in October 1991.
The PWR promo for Gritz’s literature includes a pamphlet by long-
time anti-semite Eustice Mullins. The Christic Institute, for
another example, allowed itself to be used to give Gritz
credibility, at the same time that it presents itself as an anti-
racist organization.

After several exposes and criticism of this connection,
Christic has begun to back away from Gritz. They issued a
somewhat self-contradictory disclaimer of their involvement.
After saying that Christic “does not form alliances with racist
or anti-semitic extremists,” Sara Nelson, the national director
of the Christic Institute in a letter to In These Times objecting
to an article documenting Christic participation in Gritz-
sponsored activities, goes on to say, “we can be accused of not
having severed our relationship with him earlier than we did.”
Christic needs to more forthcoming about what that
“relationship” was, and why they were unaware of this years-long
involvement with the Populists. Even in this letter, Nelson says
only that “the charges against Gritz, if true, are extremely
serious.” In reprinting the letter in their own newsletter,
Christic frames it with the assertion that they had no formal
relationship with Gritz and were “saddened and shocked” to hear
of his affiliation.

In another chilling example, progressives associated with
“Vox Populi,” an attempted anti-intervention coffee-house in the
Venice area, helped a local activist who calls himself “Tom
Reveille” to start up a “pirate” radio station, a mini-
transmitter not covered by the FCC. Reveille turned out to be a
follower of Willis Carto, the notorious anti-semite. He has
received funds with which to continue broadcasting from Carto,
and devotes his air time to questioning the Holocaust. Reveille
has admitted meeting with Joe Fields and with open members of the
Nazi Party. Meanwhile, programmers at KPFK and KPFA continue to
grant substantial air time to Gritz and other who advocate an
alliance of the left and right (including racists) against George
Bush, while denying access to their air to researchers and
activists who would expose these dangerous developments.

The “new age” movement is another area where Gritz, the
Populists, and other racists have been recruiting. The Alexandria
II bookstore in Pasadena has held a book-signing party for Gritz,
to peddle “Called to Serve.” It has distributed “Phoenix
Express,” a bizarre “new age” publication with supposedly
“channeled” writing from spirits which support Gritz and have
regurgitated the vicious anti-semitic forgery “Protocols of the
Elders of Zion.” Mandala Bookstore in Santa Monica, despite
expressing misgivings about the Populists, continues to sponsor
Gritz and other similar speakers, mixed in with John Stock well
or Daniel Sheehan as if there were no distinction.

Another area of intense Gritz/Populist recruitment is among
“conspiracy buffs.” The Spotlight crowd, through Carto’s
“Noontide Press,” has always mixed claims of CIA double-dealing
with theories about Jewish/Masonic domination. Thus Willis Carto
has promoted Mark Lane’s conspiracy theories about the Kennedy
assassination and rightist Fletcher Prouty’s “insider” exposes of
the CIA; Craig Hulet relies on Anthony Sutton, whose books are
mainly marketed by neo-nazi, for a critique of the Trilateral
Commission. Some people are swallowing this bait, and getting
hooked for the rest of the Populist politics. Prevailing Winds
Research’s catalog continues to offer Gritz’s material without
any disclaimer or warning, as if it were equivalent to the anti-
imperialist analyses of Michael Parenti or the anti-fascist
exposes by Russ Bellant which they also offer. Groups in
Portland, Colorado, San Francisco, and L.A., are marketing video
and audio tapes of Gritz and/or Hulet on a similarly co-equal
basis with those of anti-war and anti-imperialist speakers. This
is highly irresponsible.

Progressives and anti-racists must draw a clear line that
exposes and condemns Gritz and his racist and neo-fascist allies
in the Populist Party. The Christic Institute, for example, needs
to recognize that the “unity” Gritz and the Populists are talking
about is the same unity as that of the nazi-klan united front
which took the lives of five anti-klan protesters in Greensboro,
North Carolina — a case where Christic represented the families
of those killed by the nazis. Christic’s association with Gritz
and the rest of the racist Populists, even if unwitting, is an
unjustifiable insult to the memory of those martyrs and must end
immediately and totally. Christic should join the campaign to
expose Bo’s campaign for the fascist vehicle it is. Christic
should take the lead in condemning the Gritz campaign, rather
than demanding retractions from those who have raised criticisms
and concerns. It should share frankly and self-critically with
its followers in the process of deception and rationalization by
which it was hoodwinked, so that other can escape the same fate.

==================================================================
For more information about the campaign to oppose Gritz and
the Populists, contact PART, People Against Racist Terror, P.O.
Box 1990, Burbank CA 91507

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Subject: “A Nation Betrayed” – Bo Gritz POW/MIA Video
Date: 25 Sep 1992 20:05:37 GMT
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These excerpts from Col. Bo Gritz’s video “A Nation Betrayed” were
compiled and edited from a longer series on POW/MIA’s posted originally
by [email protected] (John DiNardo)

-Steve

The following excerpts are from a transcript of the video,
A NATION BETRAYED:

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COL. JAMES `BO’ GRITZ:
What I want to tell you very quickly is something that I feel is more
heinous than the Bataan death march. Certainly it is of more concern to
you as Americans than the Watergate. What I’m talking about is
something we found out in Burma – May 1987. We found it out from a man
named Khun Sa. He is the recognized overlord of heroin in the world.
Last year he sent 900 tons of opiates and heroin into the free world.
This year it will be 1200 tons.

On video tape he said to us something that was most astounding: that US
government officials have been and are now his biggest customers, and
have been for the last twenty years. I wouldn’t believe him. We
fought a war in Laos and Cambodia even as we fought whatever it was in
Vietnam. The point is that there are as many bomb holes in those two
other countries as there are in Vietnam. Five hundred and fifty plus
Americans were lost in Laos. Not one of them ever came home. We heard
a president say, “The war is over, we are out with honor – all of the
prisoners are home.” and a few other lies. Now we got rid of that
president, but we didn’t get rid of the problem. We ran the war in
Laos and Cambodia through drugs. The money that would not be
appropriated by a liberal congress, was appropriated. And you know who
we used for distribution? Santos Trafficante, old friend of the CIA
and mobster out of Cuba and Florida. We lost the war!

Fifty-eight thousand Americans were killed. Seventy-thousand became
drug casualties. In the sixties and seventies you saw an infusion of
drugs into America like never before. Where do you think the Mafia
takes the heroin and opiates that it gets through its arrangement with
the US government? It doesn’t distribute them in Africa or Europe.
This is the big money bag HERE. We’re Daddy Warbucks for them. So I
submit to you that the CIA has been pressed for solutions. Each time
they have gone to the sewer to find it. And you can’t smell like a rose
when you’ve been playing in the cesspool. We’ve been embracing
organized crime. Now you’ve all looked and heard about Ollie North,
about the Contras, about nobody knowing anything.

[cut to part of Iran Contra hearings with Ollie North explaining
the flow of funds from Iran to the Contras]

NORTH:
And Mr. Gorbanifar suggested several incentives to make that February
transaction work. And the attractive incentive for me was the one he
made that residuals could flow to support the Nicaraguan resistance.

LEGISLATOR:
Even Gorbanifar knew that you were supporting the Contras.

NORTH:
Yes he did. Isvestia knew it. The name had been in the papers in
Moscow. It had been all over Danny Ortega’s newscasts. Radio Havana
was broadcasting it. It had been in every newspaper in the land.

LEGISLATOR:
All our enemies knew it and you wanted to keep it from the United
States Congress.

NORTH:
We wanted to be able to deny a covert operation.

[end of scene]

BO GRITZ:
We have a constitution that says that the laws will be made by the
Congress, enforced by the executive branch, interpreted by the judicial
branch. But in reality we have an executive branch that has for more
than twenty years operated in what Ollie North called a parallel
government. When the Congress says no, it makes no difference.
They’re gonna do it anyway. And it is special intelligence — top
secret. Why? Not because the communists don’t know what were doing.
It’s to keep it a secret from YOU. You’re not capable of making those
kinds of decisions — according to those in parallel government.
The reason I know … I was there. I’ve been a product of the
parallel government myself.

NARRATOR:
Lieutenant Colonel James `Bo’ Gritz is the most decorated Green Beret
commander of the Vietnam Era. General William Westmoreland, in writing
his memoirs, singled out Bo Gritz as the “American Soldier” for his
exemplary courage in combat and outstanding ingenuity in recovering a
highly secret black-box the Viet Cong had taken from a crashed U-2 spy
plane. The feature films “Rambo”, “Uncommon Valor” and “Missing in
Action” were based in part upon his real-life military experiences.

BO GRITZ:
Dick Secord, General, United States Air Force, a man I know well, said
it best. Before the senate investigating committee Dick Secord was
asked: If we were supporting the Contras, why were we selling them
arms bought from a communist bloc nation at exorbitant profit rates?

[cut to a scene from Congressional hearings]

SENATOR:
If the purpose of the enterprise was to help the contras, why did you
charge Colero a mark-up?

SECORD:
We were in business to make a living, Senator. We had to make a
living. I didn’t see anything wrong with it at the time. It was a
commercial enterprise.

SENATOR:
Oh..I thought the purpose of the enterprise was to aid Colero’s cause.

SECORD:
Can’t I have two purposes? I did.

SENATOR:
Oh … alright.

BO GRITZ:
And then Dick Secord said in his playboy interview: “I think I deserve
the eight million that we made from the Iran arms sale for all the hard
work I did.”
If you’ve got to pay a patriot, you’ve got the wrong guy.
These are patriots for profit. There has been a guise of patriotism
that a lot of people have been hiding behind. War is their business.
Business has been good.

[fade to a scene from the Vietnam War]

NARRATOR:
Bo Gritz risked his life a thousand times in combat in Vietnam before
he was sent by national security council staffer Tom Harvey in the
White House to Burma in November of 1986 in search of American
prisoners of war. He discovered instead a heroin highway and a nation
betrayed by high-level American officials involved in narcotics
trafficking. Tom Harvey and his superiors in the White House were not
pleased with Bo’s report.

[fade to a scene of Bo Gritz in a field. It apprears to be in
Southeast Asia. Palm trees and oxen indigenous to the area abound.]

BO GRITZ:
The thing that I was most concerned about was — and I thought it was
fantastic — was the [Asian] general’s offer to stop the flow of opium
and heroin into the free world. When I asked him [assume he’s talking
about a conversation with Tom Harvey now] he said “That’s fantastic.”

There was a pause. Then he said: “Bo, there’s no one here that supports
that.” And I said, “What?! Vice-President Bush has been appointed by
President Reagan as the number one policeman to control drug entry into
the United States. How can you say there’s no interest and no support
when we bring back a videotape with a direct interview with a man who
puts 900 tons of opium and heroin across into the free world every year
and is willing to stop it?” And he said, “Bo, what can I tell you?
All I can tell you is there is no interest in doing that here.”

Well that made me wonder. That’s because it doesn’t sound American
and it doesn’t sound right. Thats when we began to do our own
investigation, because for about three years people had told me — both
in Washington DC and, interestingly enough, in Oklahoma City — that
the whole POW situation was being undermined by U.S. Government officials
involved in drug trafficking. I wouldn’t believe it. I said: “You
guys aren’t playing with a full deck… you’ve got yourselves strung
out too thin.” And they said: “Bo, you better listen, because for
three years we’ve had prisoners literally within our grasp and
something has happened at the last minute.” (I said), “Each time,
I’ve made every effort to cooperate with government officials. I can’t
believe that people in the U.S. Government would actually, either
overtly or covertly, do anything to undermine a rescue operation.”

Well, we’re still without Prisoners of War and there is no interest,
we’re told, at the White House in stopping the flow of drugs coming in
from the Golden Triangle into the free world.

[fade to front-page articles about Bo Gritz in PARADE Magazine
and in SOLDIER OF FORTUNE]

NARRATOR:
Lieutenant Colonel Bo Gritz is no stranger to controversy. In thirty
years of devoted service to the U.S. Army and to the recovery of American
prisoners of war, he has encountered plenty. …..
…. Bo Gritz won his Green Beret in
the Army Special forces by passing all courses in unconventional
warfare training. After graduating from officer’s candidate school, the
newly-commissioned second lieutenant then insisted on Ranger training.

Assigned to the command of the first mobile South Vietnamese guerilla
forces to be organized, Gritz also operated secretly in Cambodia and
Laos with his force of Cambodian mercenaries, or “Bo’s”, as he called
them. By official body count, over 450 of the enemy died as a result
of Gritz’s actions. His wartime records are replete with examples of
Bo’s concern for keeping Americans alive in a war gone mad.

As recon chief of the supersecret Delta Force, Bo was cited for valor in
saving the lives of 30 U.S. infantrymen from the “Big Red One” Division.
More often than not, his valor was in placing himself between the
enemy and his men. According to an official military report dated 31
July 1967 submitted on then Major Gritz: “His personal bravery is
legendary, exemplified by the fact that he has been awarded five silver
stars and numerous other decorations for valor.” In all, Bo Gritz was
awarded 62 citations for valor, five silver stars, eight bronze stars,
two purple hearts and a presidential citation.

Bo was ready to sign up for a fifth tour of duty when he had a talk
with General Fred Weiyan (sp?), the “daddy-rabbit” in Vietnam. As
Gritz described it: “I was a major and special operations chief. I’ll
never forget that day. I stood there and heard that man say:
`Bo, you’re not going to win the war, and neither am I.’ That was the most
disillusioning moment of my life. It meant that every man who had ever
lost his finger or his life had lost it for nothing. I decided, on the
spot, to leave Vietnam. I would not kill another enemy or risk another
comrade’s life.”

BO GRITZ:
I’ve had the opportunity to do a lot of things that other officers have
not. I was the first reconnaissance chief and intelligence officer for
Delta Force — commanded the first guerilla forces that went behind enemy
lines. When I commanded Special Forces in Latin America, we did it
exactly right. And we did exactly what men in camouflage are supposed
to do. It was very natural that Harold R. Aaron (sp?) would single me
out because, besides having a sixth-degree black belt in karate, I have
established an ability to operate on my own. And I think when Aaron
said, “Bo, we want you to do this”, he understood that I’m also hard
headed enough that I wouldn’t cave in. He said, “I want you to
consider retiring. It would only be temporary. We have overwhelming
evidence now that people are still there, being held in communist
prisons.” Mr. H. Ross Perot had been asked by Eugene Tighe, Director
of the Defense Intelligence Agency, to back a private mission that
would look into the POW situation. Perot said, “Bo, I want you to go
there. I want you to do everything you have to do. You come and tell
me there aren’t any prisoners of war left alive.”

NARRATOR:
Bo returned from Indo-China with extensive evidence that there were
indeed American prisoners of war in captivity, including a solid report
of 47 at one particular camp. Perot turned the project back over to
General Tighe who wrote to Secretary of Defense Harold Brown asking
that the source, a Nguyen Dok Jong (sp?) be brought to the United
States for a polygraph test. Brown repeated the request to Secretary
of State Cyrus Vance. One month later, Vance finally responded that
the Commissioner of Immigration would not permit Jong into the United
States for further questioning. As Bo puts it: “Think about it.
One man, not a thousand, and the Defense Intelligence Agency chief and
Secretary of State can’t get him into the country. That was a pretty
clear signal that the military was politically handcuffed on the
prisoner of war issue.”

For eight years Gritz sought to find and free American POW’s. He
crossed five times behind enemy lines into communist Laos and Vietnam.
Three times he was within moments of embracing those American heroes
our government had declared dead. Each time something unexplained
caused Gritz and his Operation Lazarus team to fall short,
with freedom and victory in sight for the POW’s.
(to be continued)
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NARRATOR:
There has never been a shortage of criticism from any number of
armchair generals such as Robert K. Brown of “Soldier of Fortune”
magazine who devoted an entire issue to condemning Gritz’s efforts.
Even to the extent of publishing documents stolen from Bo while he was
on the mission in Laos. They have even belittled his prayer before
crossing enemy lines. (Gritz is a devout Mormon…Ed.) His critics said
he should have looked more like the Rambo in the movies, who actually
avoided the draft in an all-girls school in Switzerland.

More debilitating than the hundreds of miles on foot within enemy
territory has been the disinformation propagated by those within our
government who have covered up the plight of our prisoners of war.
Gritz has been accused of being a media hound. He insists he has never
sought the spotlight, but when confronted has always been a positive
voice for our prisoners of war and will continue to be until they are
home to speak for themselves.

Working as an agent for the Intelligence Support Activity (ISA) in the
CIA, it was fine for Gritz to travel at great peril using false
documents, as Ollie North and Bud McFarland did when they traveled to
Iran on phony Irish passports. On one occasion he was stopped by US
customs at Seattle-Tacoma airport with four separate passports. He was
quickly released when his intelligence contact in Washington confirmed
his mission. It was quite acceptable with the US government for Bo
Gritz to travel at such great peril until he returned from Burma’s
infamous Golden Triangle on December of 1986 with information
concerning the involvement of high-level US officials involved in
large-scale drug trafficking in Southeast Asia. His tremendous courage
in refusing to back down to their threats has lead to his current
indictment for misuse of a passport in order to keep him from getting
this information to the American public.

BO GRITZ:
There’s a book out now called SECRET WARRIORS, I think. Its about
an organization called the ISA. Congress never knew about it and
everybody gives me credit for exposing it, but that’s not true.
When I was called before Congress in 1983, they said, “Bo, are you
working as an official agent of the US government?” And I said, “Yes”.
And they said, “For what organization?” And I said, “I will not
identify that organization, other than to call it the activity.”
This is because even the initials I-S-A were top secret. Because it
wasn’t an oversight. It was created by Carter. Can you imagine that?
He did one good thing that I know of. But it was a parallel government.
He created a secret organization to do things that the CIA could not
do and he didn’t dare let Congress know about it.

Now ISA got Dosier back, the general that was captured by terrorists in
Italy. And ISA did a lot of other things. You can read about them now
because its in this book by some guy who writes for the Wall Street
Journal. The point is that Jerry King was the head of ISA. Jerry King
called me on the telephone and said, “Bo, we have been ordered to put
Operation Grand Eagle…”, which was the government’s name for the
prisoner of war rescue mission. It certainly wasn’t grand and it sure
wasn’t an eagle ’cause it never got off the ground. But he said,
“We’ve been ordered to put Operation Grand Eagle on the shelf as if it
never existed.” Hand before God he said, “there are still too many
bureaucrats who don’t want to see American prisoners of war come back
alive.” Now I didn’t know what Jerry King meant then. I thought he
was angry because there was a bureaucratic tug-of-war going on between
ISA, the CIA and Defense Intelligence and maybe he was losing. But
remember Jerry King’s words, ’cause they’ll tie in here. I’m wondering
why [they recaptured] the Vietnamese intercept Colonel Richard Walsh
(a POW…Ed.) moments before the turnover and captured not only him,
but the general also (unclear who the General is here … Ed.) And I
And I knew that we still had him, because in the newspapers it appeared
that “The Vietnamese and Lao delegations of the United Nations confirm
that they are holding an American citizen in custody.” And I said,
“By golly. We and our State Department are going to press for an identity.”
Because doesn’t it say that the President is required to safegaurd
American citizens in hostile hands. And I knew when we pressed what would
happen? Richard Walsh would be identified. Who is he? A prisoner of
war. Hooray! Now the logjam is broken. And who can Walsh testify
to? The other men he was with. And they can testify. We’re going to
get them all out now, even though its going to cost us something.
Did you ever see Richard Walsh’s name identified? I didn’t.
(to be continued)
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(continuation)
BO GRITZ:
Mrs. Walsh showed me a newspaper article that said where an Air Force
casualty officer came to her at this time and said: “Your husband
is alive. He’s a prisoner of war. We have high hopes he’ll be coming
home soon.” They put it in the newspaper there in Minneapolis. She
was told that Air Force Two was spooling up … Who’s that belong to?
… George Bush … to go get her husband. That’s what she told me,
but it never happened. And I thought again: “What rotten luck, and what
a bunch of wimps in the State Department for not going and demanding
that they identify that citizen.” They probably did. They found out who
he was and they said: “Lets forget it.” Because when I walked into the
State Department shortly thereafter, a friend of mine said: “Bo, we
thought that you’d been captured. Your passport turned up in a very
unlikely place.” And I said: “Yeah, I know all about it.”

Do you think that all of this has just been rotten luck. Well, when
you wear the uniform of the United States you have this faith … hope
that the system will do it. Just like General Aaron said: “Let the
system do the rest.” Now comes truth …

We were training Afghan freedom fighters in the deserts of South Nevada
near where I live and I was proud to do so — in cooperation with the
U.S. State Department Office For Security Assistance. We finished that
mission. A man by the name of Tom Harvey who is a National Security
Council Ollie North look-alike (Ollie comes from Anapolis. Harvey
comes from West Point.) … Tom Harvey called me and said: “We have
information …” And here is a copy of the letter. That’s why I brought
all these documents. I hope some of you challenge them. I hope the
White House, the Pentagon would challenge them. Because if they would
publicly they would have to admit to the truth. This letter was sent
to Vice-President Bush by an American citizen by the name of Arthur
Souchek. It is dated 29 August, 1986. It says that General Khun Sa
has American prisoners of war. It says that Khun Sa tried to rescue
four of them. It says his forces escorted the four to the Mekong River.
While attempting to cross the rain-swollen river, the four U.S.
personnel, three of Khun Sa’s soldiers and two horses were swept away
by the raging water and all drowned. It goes on to say that Khun Sa
has repeated intelligence reports of a location of U.S. prisoners being
kept in Laos … that he says that has seventy prisoners of war. Tom
Harvey said: “This is getting TOP priority.”

Now in G. Gordon Liddy’s book, “Will”, he says, “no American has ever
come out of the Golden Triangle alive.” But that’s what we were being
asked to do. Tom Harvey said, “Bo, do you think you would be able to
infiltrate into Khun Sa’s inner sanctum and determine if this report is
true or not?” Do you think maybe somebody is trying to get me bumped
off? It didn’t make any difference. Brothers and sisters, you and
I are small compared to this nation. And the risk that we take, if
there is one American there, is worth it. God’s will, they’ll be home
while they’re still alive. I told Harvey, “We didn’t fight a war in
Burma. Why should there be prisoners of war there?” But you know a guy
like Khun Sa has got connections all over. And I said, “We’ll try.”

I speak Chinese. Khun Sa speaks Chinese. He’s right along the
southern China border, surrounded by communists. He’s fighting the
communists. He has a forty-thousand man army. About eight million
Shan people make up the minority Shan state. Burma is communist.
Every one of his weapons are M-16s and M-60 machine guns. All the
latest stuff that we have. I found out why later. To make a long
story short, we got in to see Khun Sa and he didn’t have any prisoners
of war. And let me caveat it by saying this. We traveled three days
going and three days coming by horse over mountains that were literally
vertical up and down. I made the comment at that time to Scott Weekly
who was Ollie North’s classmate at Anapolis and went with me.
I said: “I would hate to be an engineer that had to build a highway
through these mountains because they’re virgin teak forests … rain
forests .. tremendously beautiful.”

Six days coming and going. Khun Sa didn’t have any prisoners of war.
We gave Khun Sa the letter from the White House that I had. Thats the
only thing that let me get in there. You don’t walk in because the CIA
has a seven digit figure on Khun Sa’s head and they haven’t been able
to collect. You think they’re gonna let somebody like me in there.
Say, “Hi! I wanna go visit Khun Sa! ” Doesn’t work! But I guess they
thought this guy is crazy enough because I gave this letter … I told
Harvey, “We got to have a credential, guy.” He said, “We can’t do
that, Bo. We never do that.” I said, “Harvey, has anyone ever gone to
the Golden Triangle and come out alive? I need something that will
convince Khun Sa we’re not there to kill him. We’re there for
humanitarian purposes.” So Harvey said, “Well, this will be the
language: `You are operating in cooperation with the White House …
etc, etc.'” It worked! Khun Sa didn’t have one single prisoner of
war, didn’t know anything about prisoners of war.

[Switch to a scene with Bo and Khun Sa talking at Khun Sa’s camp with
Khun Sa’s troops doing practice drills in the background. Bo is
discussing the letter from Souchek with Khun Sa. It is nearly
impossible to decipher what is specifically being discussed because
Khun Sa’s troops are incredibly loud and drown out the conversation, so
I will proceed to the next scene. Don’t worry…there are more Khun Sa
meetings to come. The long and short of it is Khun Sa says he will
decrease or stop the drug shipments and Gritz gets it on videotape.]

BO GRITZ:
Now with Nancy Reagan saying no to drugs and Judge Ginsberg not allowed
to sit on the supreme court because he smoked marijuana … and you’re
an accessory to murder if you’ve ever smoked marijuana, according to Nancy
Reagan. I figured we’d get an `attaboy’. We didn’t have prisoners,
but we had three videotapes showing Khun Sa himself. And I thought,
“Boy, is George Bush gonna be thrilled about this! ”
We delivered those tapes to Tom Harvey just before Christmas. You try
to call Tom Harvey now, because some news people did, and he doesn’t
return your calls. We delivered those tapes just before Christmas, Tom
Harvey called me back and said, “Bo, fantastic! You guys actually got
in to see Khun Sa. The CIA said he had been assassinated.” Somebody
needed some pocket change. “And there he is talking.” And I said,
“That’s right, Tom. Harvey, what about the 900 tons?” I figured they
were just bubbling over. They were all right. They were dripping in
their knickers. But it wasn’t from joy. Harvey said, “Bo …”. These
are quotes … hand on the square … he said, “Bo, there’s no interest
here in that.” You be on the other end of the phone. You’ve just come
out of Burma. You’ve brought what you consider to be a way to stop 900
tons of heroin, not marijuana, and get rid of the cancer that has
infected the bureaucracy — and there’s “no interest.” I challenged
Harvey because I’m pretty hard-headed. I said, “Tom, didn’t President
Reagan appoint George Bush the number one cop to stop drugs before they
come into the United States?” I wanted to remind him of these little
things. And he said, “Bo, what can I tell you? There is NO INTEREST
here in doing that.” Now that is White-House-ese for saying, “Get off
this subject. Leave us alone.” I knew that we had trod upon some very
sensitive toes. I still didn’t have a clue to what was going on, but I
knew that we were getting close to finding out and I took off and went
to Burma again.

Now I want to show you some things when I got back to Burma. [He shows
some newspaper headlines] The United States government wanted Khun Sa
killed quick and here’s how they did it:

US CALLS FOR NO MERCY IN DRUG WAR

These are “over-there” newspapers:

AIR STRIKES AGAINST KHUN SA’s HEADQUARTERS
BURMESE AND THAI TROOPS MOVE ON KHUN SA

Finally it says, and there is a picture of Burmese and Thai troops
standing on top of a high mountain top:

KHUN SA’S STRONGHOLD SEIZED

Now many of you are soldiers, airmen, marines, sailors. You know that
air strikes and troops mean war. There’s hair, eyes and teeth everywhere.
When I went back into Burma in May I took two other Americans with me.
It was the most peaceful area. It was exactly like we left it except
for one big change. Remember I told you it took us three days to ride
by horse to get there in November and come out in December. Well, when
we went in May, we went by pickup truck. Straight from the Thai border
all the way right to the General’s front door. And on the other way
coming back there were Thai military ten-ton trucks covered and loaded.
There’s only one thing that comes out of the Golden Triangle,
and that’s heroin.

When we got there, General Khun Sa said, “What took you so long?” I
said, “General, I was waiting for the war to die down. I didn’t want
to get caught in all of this 26,000 troops and air strikes.” And he just
laughed. He said, “That was a newspaper war! ” I said, “What do you
mean newspaper war?” He said, “The Thai and Burmese came to me and
said that if they don’t make it look like they’re doing something, they
stand to lose tens of millions of dollars this year in drug supression
funds from American taxpayers.” So Khun Sa said, “Make it look like
anything you want to, but I want a road built here.” They used the
newspapers and I want to show you something. This one here says: “U.S.
PROVIDES ANOTHER 1.8 MILLION TO FIGHT DRUGS” So it worked! And this
guy is really smiling. This is a Thai receiving a check from the U.S.
Ambassador.

Khun Sa got what he wanted. Now he began to assemble his officers. It
took him a week to get them all together because he brought them from
all over the place. And now I understand why. I thought I was just
going to talk to him, but he said no and put me off for a week. He
assembled officers from the entire Shan territory from all over the
Golden Triangle. They came in. He sat everybody down. He brought his
secretary out. He had his secretary read from their log.

[Scene switches to Khun Sa’s headquarters. All of Khun Sa’s officers
are here along with Khun Sa. I’d say around twenty in all. Bo and his
companions are sitting with them. This is where it gets VERY
interesting. The following conversation was in broken English from
Khun Sa’s end so some of the syntax may be a bit weird.)

BO GRITZ:
I cannot ask the General to cut your throat by revealing any contact
that would hurt your economy at this moment. But I pray that he will
reveal any connections from the older time, or that will not hurt you
now; that if they are still in power, we might be free of them.

KHUN SA:
Some of the connections I can expose to you. Some were in Burma. Some
were in Thailand. Some were in America. But I don’t remember all of
their names and my secretary remembers them so he will give you the
information.

SECRETARY:
In 1965 to 1975 there is one CIA in Laos. His name was Shackley.
He was involved in the narcotics business. And we know that Shackley
used one civilian to organize trafficking. His civilian name was Santos
Trafficante. He was the organizer of trafficking for Shackley. This
was financed by Richard Armitage who stayed in Vietnam. After the
Vietnam War, Richard Armitage was a prominent trafficker in Bangkok.
This was between 1975 to 1979. He was a very active trafficker in
Bangkok. He was one of the Embassy employees. Then after that, in
1979, he quit from Embassy and then he established a company name the
Far East Trading Company. Then he used the name of his company under the
table for drug trafficking. He then used the drug money to support the
Lao anti-communist troops.

BO GRITZ:
So he used it in arms and munitions.

SECRETARY:
Yes. This Richard Armitage has a lot of friends in Laos and Thailand.
There is a lot of CIA personnel in Laos. One of the CIA agents is
named Daniel Arnold. This Arnold was a munitions trafficker. There is
another one, Jerry Daniels, who organized trafficking for Richard
Armitage.

[Scene is cut and Bo Gritz is shown narrating.]

BO GRITZ:
One of the men named by Khun Sa. This is not me naming him. This is
Khun Sa, the drug overlord reading from his records, naming Richard
Armitage as being a chief drug trafficker from 1965 through 1979. You
know where Richard Armitage went in 1979? He went to Dole’s staff,
then to Reagan’s campaign staff and now he is the Assistant Secretary
of Defense right underneath Mr. Carlucci. Richard Armitage has been
responsible for recovery of U.S. prisoners of war way back before we
actually got involved with H. Ross Perot. He is still responsible for
them. What I’m trying to do is find you Khun Sa’s letter because it
will say it best. Here it is. Letter from Khun Sa written to the U.S.
Justice Department dated 28 June, 1987. I just want to read you a couple
sentences. “During the period 1965 to 1975, CIA Chief in Laos Theodore
Shackley was in the drug business.” Now Theodore Shackley would have
been Director of Intelligence of the CIA if George Bush had not been
appointed to that post. Theodore Shackley was then posted as the Deputy
Director for Covert Operations. It said, “Santos Trafficante acted as
his buying and transporting agent while Richard Armitage handled the
financial section with banks in Australia.”

All of a sudden the words from Jerry King came back, “Too many bureaucrats
don’t want to see American prisoners returned alive.” Why? Couldn’t
figure it out. Gunboat at midnight in the middle of the Mekong [River]
with Voice of America saying we’re there to abort our attack.
Walsh and the General recaptured before turnover. Why? Now I’ll tell
you why. If this is true, it means Richard Armitage and a lot of other
people that are named here are the least men in the world that want to
see Americans come home. Because when American prisoners of war do
come home, whether we bring them home or they drag themselves across
that Mekong river somehow, and report to the US Embassy and aren’t
destroyed there … when they do come home, because they will, there will
be one hell of an investigation as to what took the greatest nation in
the world so long to bring home heroes who have been waiting for more
than fifteen years. When that investigation is conducted, it will show,
as Khun Sa says, that these men, these bureaucrats — appointed, not
elected … appointed — have broken the faith with you and this country
and its law; have used their office as a cover to run drugs and arms to
promote covert operations that the United States Congress did not
approve of. Its the parallel government. Now that may be alright.
But I’ll tell you something. It’s not alright to leave hundreds of
Americans to die alone in the hands of the enemy by a bunch of wimps
who were never there.

When I came back here, I thought I was the Lone Ranger. I said, “Boy,
I’ve got this information. Somehow we’ve got to get it to the proper
authorities and I’m all alone.” Well, not so. Guess who shows up in
/\/\/\/\/\/\
Time Magazine? H. Ross Perot. And he’s on page 18, May 4th and it
says, “Perot’s Private Probes.” H. Ross Perot was not in Burma with
me, but I know now where he got his info. Four billion dollars opens a
lot of doors for you. It didn’t open a couple of doors, however, as
I’ll let you in on this story. H. Ross Perot had gained U.S. agent
investigation reports of Richard Armitage. Perot didn’t know I was
over in Burma. He was doing this on his own. This article said he
pinned Richard Armitage … (Armitage is a fat broad. Literally.
This is a giant of a man) … and demanded that Armitage resign because
it says that H. Ross Perot accused him of being a drug smuggler and an
arms dealer. That takes pretty big cajones. It says that Perot
then went to his friend, George Bush. It says that he gave evidence of
wrongdoing by Armitage. I’m quoting. “Bush told Perot to go to the
proper authorities.” I’m still reading now.
So the billionaire called on William Webster. He’s now
head of the CIA. It says that Perot made at least one visit to the
White House carrying a pile of documents, yet he has received no
support from the Reagan Administration. In fact Frank Carlucci …
Who’s he? He’s the Secretary of Defense. And who was he before?
Deputy Director of Central Intelligence. … Frank Carlucci called him
in to ask him to stop pursuing Armitage. Talk about insulation! And
when four billion dollars can’t even get your foot in the door — even
though the man is a good Texan from Houston — tell me there’s no
cover-up here.

Now H. Ross was working on his own. He didn’t know what Khun Sa had
told us. Khun Sa doesn’t have a television or a telephone. He doesn’t
know who Richard Armitage is. He doesn’t give a damn. All he knows is
the people who are on his records that he’s dealt with. This affidavit,
though by a man by the name of Daniel Sheehan … and you’ll recognize
Sheehan’s name if you don’t know him already by the Silkwood case. He
jumped on Kerr-McGee. Kerr-McGee is pretty powerful. But they
won the Silkwood case there in Oklahoma and have done a few other
things.

[switch to a talk-show interview with Daniel Sheehan]

DANIEL SHEEHAN (lead attorney for the Christic Institute):
There’s little doubt at all that President Reagan was involved in a
conspiracy to violate the Neutrality Act. He’s been directly ordered
by the United States Congress not to mount this military operation
against Nicaragua. They’ve cut off all funds for him to do so, but he
went to Saudi Arabia and various private citizens to raise the money in
total violation of the Federal Neutrality Act. They’re engaged in
violations of the arms-export control act. They’re engaged in
violations of the Federal Racketeering Act. There is a whole federal
racketeering syndicate that they like to refer to as The Enterprise.
Richard Secord referred to it as. But what it is in fact, Jim, is the
off-the-shelf, stand-alone, self-financing, covert operations capacity
that Oliver North talked about Bill Casey wanting to set up. Fact is,
that it has been set up. It’s been operating for many years now — out
from under the control of any President; out from under the control of
the Director of Central Intelligence. Out from under the supervision
of any intelligence committee. Its run by Theodore Shackley, the former
Director of Covert Operations worldwide; by the CIA under George Bush
when George Bush was the director of the Central Intelligence Agency in
1976. And this crowd has set up the off-the-shelf operation and is
carrying out not only a partnership with the drug dealers from Central
America and from Southeast Asia, but also carrying out a major
political assassination program which was participated in by William
Buckley who was the Beirut Section Chief for the CIA who was kidnapped
in March of 1984 and who was the subject of all the real negotiations
for the sale of the TOW missiles to Iran. It was not a sale to open
any openings to the moderates in Iran, nor was it in fact a negotiation
to negotiate for the general release of hostages. It was initiated
solely and exclusively to obtain the release of William Buckley because
he knew about the whereabouts of the off-the-shelf operation. It was a
criminal enterprise and they feared that if the American people found
out about that there would be a huge Constitutional scandal and the
President of the United States would be impeached.

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The preceding excerpts are from a transcript of the video,
A NATION BETRAYED, which was posted to Usenet by:
[email protected] (Jim Burnes)
>Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: A NATION BETRAYED – PART 1
Date: 28 May 91 02:04:46 GMT
Message ID: <1991May28 . 020446 . [email protected]>

transcribed by John DiNardo

-Steve

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Subject: Re: NLNS: CHRISTIAN IDENTITY (UPDATED V
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:45:08 CST
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Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (NLG Civil Liberties Committee) writes:
>
>
> There are scores of thoughtful and devestating critiques of the Federal
> Reserve and its questionable policies. The views of Bo Gritz about the
> Fed are drawn from a long-list of far-right attacks on the Fed that for
> the most part track back to a conspiracy of Jewish-controlled bankers
> held on Jekyll Island off the coast of Georgia.

But you told us it was a characteristic of *fascists* to be
against the Federal Reserve System. Now you tell us that many thoughtful
people are devastatingly critical of it.

Incidentally, there *was* a meeting on Jekyll Island that was
foundational in establishing the FED. And there were Jewish bankers
in attendance (Warburg, et. al.) although I personally don’t consider
the ethnicity of the bankers important. But the facts are there and
are a part of history.

> You may choose to believe Gritz, a person even Soldier of Fortune
> magazine in its September issue called a huckster. You may choose
> to believe Gritz, who has written that super market bar codes are part
> of a satanic plot. You may choose to believe Gritz, who has accepted
> the nomination of the fascist Populist Party. Or you can get off your
> ass and go to a library and spend a few hours reading the many books
> on the Federal Reserve, paranoid right-wing conspiracy theories, and
> fascist rhetoric.

I for one have never endorsed Gritz for anything and probably
never will. I have no intention of voting for him in the upcoming
election. But I am disgusted to see you malign this proven patriot,
who apparently so upset you with his courageous rescue of the remnants
of Randy Weaver’s family, with words like *fascist* and huckster. You
can get your information from “Soldier of Fortune” magazine if you wish,
but I have more reliable literary sources available. Incidentally, I’ve
already been to the Library and over time have found out a good bit of
disturbing information about the Federal Reserve, all without having to
rely on anyone’s campaign literature. I would recommend that you make
a few trips yourself.

> Gritz is a hero to the same people who thought Franco, Hitler and
> Il Dulce were terific leaders. Congratulations for proving this
> level of naive foolishness infects some leftists, just like it did
> in the 20’s and 30’s.
> -Chip Berlet

If you’ll bother to ask around a little, I think you will find
a good many people who respect Gritz who don’t think Hitler or Franco
were worth spit. What continues to trouble me is your fuzzy use of
terms like *fascist* and Nazi. You have been politely asked to offer
your concise meaning of the term *fascist*. All you’ve given us is the
lengthy posting of historical tidbits and aphorisms called “What is
Fascism?” and a list of people or organizations that you have at one
time or another called *fascist*. But we are still waiting for your
definition. You owe that to us if you are going to continue to hurl
the insulting epithet *fascist* with such free abandon while describing
yourself as a professional researcher.

Most people reading this could readily given an adequate and
concise three or four line definition of communism, capitalism, or
plutocracy. One can define some of the most abstract terms in
mathematics in no more than a line or two. So, once again, would you
please tell us just exactly what you mean when you use the term *fascist*
so we can better understand on what wavelength you are operating.
Thanks.

Joe Gaut

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Subject: Re: Why not Gritz? (Was: why perot?)
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> According to a newspaper report reprinted here in t.p.m. Gritz gave
> the NAZI salute to Weaver’s supporters. He belongs to an organization
> that wants to ban foreign workers and ownership of companies in
> the US. They want to “discourage” (their words – I have no idea what
> they mean) nonChristian religions in the US. Gritz basically makes
> David Duke look like Mister Rogers. Don’t vote for this clown if
> you care about any of the ideals that built this country.
>
>
> —peter
>

That is absolutely right! Bo Gritz has a history of association
with various racist organizations. In fact, he has made appearances at
the LaPorte Church of Christ in Colorado where Identity preacher, Pete
Peters, is notoriously racist.

There is also some evidence that this same church is where
David Lane and Bruce Pierce hung out the night before killing Alan
Berg. It is well-known that other members of The Order attended there
regularly.

Bo Gritz is one scary dude! When he talks about nonChristian
religions, he is not just talking about paganism, Judaism or Islam! He
is talking about Protestants, Catholics and Methodists as well. One of
the basic tenets of Identity is that they (read:white people) are the
lost tribes of Israel and the true holders of the Covenant of Abraham!
All other so-called Christians are not ‘true’ Christians in their
belief.

War hero? Even if Gritz didn’t have such creepy connections,
the last thing this country needs is a ‘war hero’! What we need is
a person of compassion.

If anyone is interested in more information on the associations
of Bo Gritz, Jack Mohr or any of these figures, please contact me
at 3107 W. Colorado Ave #172, Colorado Springs, CO 80904. (I am a
hate group investigator with the Religious Movement Resource Center and
have a great deal of documentation on these folks.)

The address and e-mail are as follows:

Religious Movement Resource Center
3107 W. Colorado Ave #172
Colorado Springs, CO 80904

E-mail : [email protected]

(Don’t get freaked out by the name of the organization. It is not
a fundamentalist organization. The name was chosen when the only
investigations going on were dangerous and destructive religious cults.)

>
>

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From: [email protected] (Don Allen)
Subject: FILE: Bo Gritz Speech – 1/4 (LONG)
Organization: W. J. Vermillion – Winter Park, FL
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:24:06 GMT
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This is a speech that Bo Gritz gave back in August at a rally in
Tehachapi,Calif. I d/l it from the Phoenix Liberator BBS.

This speech is l o n g. It is posted in 4 parts.

Disclaimer: I’m just the messenger here, so do with this what
you will. I take no stand, nor am I connected in any way to the
Gritz campaign or to America West and/or George Green. It’s being
posted to the alt.conspiracy,alt.activism and alt.election* newsgroups
as I believe it to be relevant to ongoing political discussions.

————Begin included text—————————————-

BO GRITZ’ SPEECH 8/16/92

(Editor’s note: The following is the complete text of
presidential candidate Colonel James “Bo” Gritz’ dynamic
speech at the well-attended citizens’ rally in Tehachapi,
California on Sunday afternoon, August 16, 1992.)

8/16/92 GRITZ

Brother, have you ever lost a son? Have you ever lost a
father? I lost my dad in World War II. He was a pilot. He
didn’t come home from Europe. I lost twenty-five hundred
brothers in southeast Asia. They didn’t come home either.
It wasn’t my idea to go looking for them. But in 1979, we
had some Generals who knew that Americans were still left
behind. Now, in the newspapers, we read where they were all
right. We had a President who didn’t care. His name was
Jimmy Carter. We had a man named Cyrus Vance who was
Secretary of State, and they said, “No, there are no living
Americans. We won’t authorize one cent for any pursuit of
prisoners of war. And so, like patriots, we did it anyway.

I salute those few Generals because they are few in number
who were the original ones, other than the families, to keep
the faith. So, they call a man named H. Ross Perot and they
explained the situation that the President and the Secretary
of State would not authorize it, but they wanted to know if
he would cover a mission to try and determine whether there
were or were not prisoners left alive and I was the person
that they chose to send to make that determination.

On the tenth story of a building in the EDS (Electronic Data
Systems) complex in Dallas, Texas, H. Ross Perot drew me
near and said, “Bo, I’ve been asked by General Eugene Tighe
to have you go to Southeast Asia. Now, you go over there
and you do everything you have to do. You come back here
and you tell us there aren’t any American prisoners still
left alive.”

Now, that was my intent when I left Dallas in April of 1979.
I didn’t want there to be any of my family still alive in
the hands of the enemy six years after we had pulled out,
but I’m a man of truth. As a matter of fact, the thing
that I used to get into trouble for more than anything else
my whole life, even when I was a little popper, was for
being at the back of my Grandma’s closet trying to see what
was back behind all of the linens and the old clothes that
were stacked up there. I wanted to know even if it was an
old rat box. I wanted to see what it was. I was in trouble
because I’d climb up on a chair and get on the cabinet and
reach and look up into the top drawers and want to see what
was in the bottles all the way at the back.

The very first schools that I went to in Special Forces were
safe cracking and lock picking. It was made in heaven for
me to be a Special Forces Soldier.

The truth is a very valuable and elusive commodity,
especially in America today. But they chose the wrong man
if they wanted me to go over and come back and say something
that wasn’t true, because when I did come back in May of
1979, I had bad news for them. My reports were that there
are American prisoners still in the hands of our enemy, and,
boy, it started.

We immediately had all kinds of bureaucratic problems in
Washington. Still we kept on. In April of 1980, I was in
Southeast Asia and I sent a patrol across the river to check
out ten targets that the hated CIA had given me as possible
locations of living prisoners of war. One of the patrols
returned saying, “Yes, there are thirty Americans alive
today at Nhommarath.

As a matter of fact, I just saw in the L.A. newspaper where
the Nhommarath reports were finally being made public since
1980.

We didn’t know whether to believe them or not. We came back
and we asked for a SR-71 which could provide oblique
photography. That SR-71 can see your face from one hundred
thousand feet above the earth. We would know for certain
who the prisoners were. It was of such low priority, and
that was May, that we didn’t get anything until November of
1980 when we were voting for Ronald Reagan.

I voted for him twice. He was a movie star. I didn’t think
he’d hurt the United States of America. I didn’t vote for
George Bush.

In November, a satellite took a photograph of Nhommarath and
there was a prison compound and there were thirty American
prisoners of war, confirmed because A-1 intelligence is the
very highest intelligence rating that we have in our system.
There was a very discernible figure “52” that had been made
by the occupants of Nhommarath camp in the ground where it
could be seen from the air.

The number “52” was a code. It meant that there were
Americans present; don’t bomb this location.

This got everyone excited. Suddenly, they were going to
make the rescue not using my forces, but they were going to
use Delta Force at Ft. Bragg. Finally, in March of 1981,
the President was already installed and all these decisions
had been made. I was called back to Washington, DC and in
the bowels of the Defense Intelligence Agency located in the
Pentagon, Admiral Jerry O. Tuttle told me, “Bo, we’re going
to make this rescue using Delta. I want you to go home and
allow these official forces to do this.” I said, “Admiral
Tuttle, I don’t believe the government is going to do it
because Ronald Reagan is already being cast as a hawk.
We’re criticising the Russians for being in Afghanistan.
What happens when we send the Marines in to Laos and they
fail like the rescue did at ‘Desert One’ in Iran?” I said,
“It’s going to be like the Bay of Pigs. In the last hours,
they’re going to turn the planes around.” And I said,
“Please, let us continue in lock-step. We won’t do anything
until the official mission is set aside.”

It was all Special Intelligence in those days and I couldn’t
even tell the people that were with me exactly what was
going on and some of them became disgruntled.

Finally in April, Admiral Tuttle told me, “The planes will
not be turned around. This rescue is going to go forward.”
And then on May 21st, he called me. I was living in
California, in the Los Angeles area, and he said, “Bo, the
planes have been turned around. The mission is off.” We
weren’t going to bring home the Americans we knew were
there.

Now, I see in the newspapers, I saw it yesterday in the
Denver Post, where the 1981 agreements with Vietnam and our
rescue efforts in Laos are now public knowledge. But what
are we doing about it?

You’ve got Henry Kissinger on Nightline with Mr. Kerry from
the state of Massachusetts, head of the Prisoner of War
Committee, saying, “It’s outrageous that anyone would accuse
a bureaucratic official of leaving Americans behind
knowingly in the hands of the enemies.” HENRY KISSINGER
SHOULD BE INDICTED FOR TREASON. They gave him the Nobel
Peace Prize, but I want you to note something. They gave
Henry Kissinger the Nobel Peace Prize and that fat turkey
accepted it, but Le Duc Tho, who was the other negotiator,
out of honor refused it because he knew what was going on.
And, along with that Nobel Peace prize, we also gave it to
Gorbachev. I’m sure we’ll be offering it to George Bush by
next year.

There ought to be an indictment on the side of truth, an
indictment for treason for knowingly leaving those prisoners
behind in the hands of our enemies.

Now, I don’t have the time because I have some other points
that I want to make. But I just want to summarize this day
because I started this talk about prisoners. If you take my
newsletter, or if the media has any way cooperated, we
called for a national day of fasting and prayer that God
Almighty might do for us what we haven’t been able to
accomplish for ourselves, and that is the delivery of our
brothers home while they’re still alive.

I want to tell you that there were five occasions since 1983
where we have known where American prisoners of war were
located and we have gone seeking to bring them home and in
every case in the last moments, we met the enemy and, as
Pogo has said, “We found him to be us”, meaning the
bureaucrats in Washington DC. Five occasions we’ve had to
leave the Americans behind because we’ve denied the victory.
The reason I have called for a national day of fasting on
Saturday (yesterday) and prayer today is because if we do
not bring our brothers home now, they will not be
figuratively, they will be literally buried and it will be
done before I can ever be president. It cannot wait for
that to happen and it will be done so that Mobil Oil can
start drilling offshore in Vietnam and it will be done so
that other contractual arrangements can go forward and it
will be done so that the Soviet Union can receive twenty-
four billion dollars in aid from us. And it will be done so
that the politicians will feel safe again that no American,
no matter how determined we are, will ever come home alive.

Well, we’ve tried. We’ve done everything we can. You may
or may not be familiar with what we have tried. When I say
“we”, I mean America. I represent the Lazarus Team. My
Team was official. I had the backing of the Central
Intelligence Agency. I had the backing of the Defense
Intelligence Agency, the Intelligence Support Activity. We
couldn’t do it. You haven’t been able to do it in whatever
other private efforts have been going on out there. But,
I’ve learned something in my life: it’s caused me to be
fearless. It has given me the confidence that a bumble bee
has to fly despite what Northrop University says, that “It’s
not aerodynamically capable of sustaining flight.” It’s the
thing that has allowed the few to do and give battle against
the many and win against the many. It’s the thing that
separated Elijah from the armies of Assyria. It’s the thing
that gave victory to Gideon and three hundred against a
hundred and thirty thousand Midianites. It’s the thing that
allowed George Washington to bring King George to his knees.
It’s the thing that permitted a young sergeant by the name
of Willie Brown to, in absolute desperation with no chance
of survival, lead a small contingent of Colonial soldiers
against the outer British battlements at Yorktown.

On that day, it was indeed a forlorn night because all of
the men knew none of them would return. They were a small
group going to go against the tens of thousands. How could
they return? And finally, that thing that lit up Gideon.
The thing that made Elijah tell his young helper, “Fear not
for they that be with us are more than they would be with
them.” That Something got into Willie Brown and he said,
“Follow me” and ten minutes after they launched their
attack, they weren’t just into the outer, they had broken
into the very command center at Yorktown and the British
regiments were withdrawing and falling back in fear and
confusion and Washington sent his Colonial Soldiers to start
filling in the gap and the Battle at Yorktown was won and
the American Revolution was won at Yorktown, was it not?
And how many of Willie Brown’s volunteers died that night?
NOT ONE. And how many volunteers were wounded that night?
NOT ONE, except Willie Brown, who took a bayonet through his
hand, and he was the first American soldier to ever receive
the Purple Heart from General George Washington for military
merit above and beyond the call of duty.

God bless Willie Brown. God bless those who have put on a
uniform. God bless those with the courage to do what the
faint-hearted fearing will not do. God bless the three
percent that stood against the ninety-seven percent that
said, “We can live under the King just a little while
longer.”

Friends, it is That Element that will allow our prisoners to
be returned to us if enough of us will recognize our
dependency upon God Almighty and will call upon him with our
unified voices. I’m not a preacher, but I’ve got a very
personal relationship with God. You gain that with over a
hundred special operations in places you should have never
come out of. I know that God is. I know that God is my
father and I know that somehow God hears even my voice and I
know that he’ll hear all of our voices because all across
the nation, I’ve asked and I have a feeling that it’s being
done in the tens of thousands. I’ve asked people who would,
“Would you fast?” Remember Esther of the Bible? It looked
like all of her people were going to be slain, and so she
told them, “You fast and you pray.” And in Psalm 35, David
fasts. When you fast, every time you feel a little hunger
it reminds you of the purpose of your fast, your prayer,
your petition. I hope that some of you have fasted with us
through Saturday and we’re prepared to offer a prayer. If
you don’t mind, I’ll be the voice for this prayer:

Father, God Almighty, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy
name. Father, we thank thee for this earth. We thank thee
Father for this life and citizenship in this the greatest
nation on the globe. Father, we thank thee for the
knowledge that we are thy children if we will be. Father,
we thank thee for the knowledge that if we ask it in
righteousness it shall be given us,and thou has promised us
that where two or three gather there are You, also, in thy
spirit. Father, we are thankful for all the things for thou
art the author of all good that thou has given us. Father,
we gather together in this company, this day with a single
purpose in our heart. Father, every spirit speaks out in
angelic language. Father, every soul now speaks with one
purpose, a righteous purpose with no thought of any
selfserving reason. Father, we ask thee, in thy mercy lift
up our prisoners, bring our brothers and restore them to
their families in this great nation, Father, while they
still live. We seek only thy will. We know not thy agenda.

Father, we have all faith and hope in thee and we know that
yours is the hand that has made this universe and all things
that are good. Father, that same hand can restore even the
life to Lazarus. And Father, that same hand can restore
even our brothers unto us. Father, hear our righteous
prayer. Father, grant us this petition that this nation
might awaken again to what is right and wrong in conscience.
Father, grant that this be given to us that we might clearly
give thee the glory for we are children and thou art our
Father.

I want to thank you for whatever faith you’ve had to join
with me. Friends, we’ve run out of solutions on these
prisoners. I’ve always had another way to go. Everytime
one door was closed, it looked like another was opened.
I’ve fallen on my knees in absolute desperation and cried
out in God’s name, “Why can’t we just get a break when what
we’re trying to do is righteous?”, and I never knew why we
couldn’t win the victory. I do know this, I’ve learned this
in combat and I’ll share it with you: before the guilty can
ever be punished before the bar of justice, the innocent
must suffer. So when your children suffer and when your
loved ones are taken from you in the challenging times
ahead, and when things happen that you don’t undertand, it’s
your job to keep faith with God almighty for without God we
are nothing. And we keep faith in God almighty and we must
understand that someday the blood of those who have
innocently been harmed will cry out from the ground, even as
Abel cried out for justice against Cain. And God in his
wisdom and in his justice and in his time will cause all
things to be right.

Now there are things that we can do and I want to outline
some things that we must do. When I say “we”, it doesn’t
have to be Bo Gritz because when you came here today, I hope
you came here to learn something. If you leave here and you
haven’t learned anything, don’t go. Stop me right up there
where I came in and say, “Bo, I didn’t learn a thing here
today.” I will scrape my brain, I promise you, to try to
divulge for you. If I have to I’ll reach down into the
Special Intelligence area and the Top Secrets. I’m going to
tell you something that has made it worth your while coming
here this day. That’s my purpose.

There are some things that we have to do. If we do not do
them, America ceases to be the land that we now live in.
Anyone could do it. Some of you. And thank you for being
in uniform wearing Bo Gritz tee shirts and “No New World
Order” tee shirts, I appreciate your support. What I am
doing as one man, I’m lifting a banner of Liberty and
fearlessly I am going to go forward and I can’t do it alone.
But with your support, we are going to take Capitol Hill and
we are going to restore and revive the Constitution of the
United States and we’re going to place this government back
under God where it belongs once and for all.

(Applause.)

But what you’re supporting, it could be any of you. I’m
just one who has volunteered. I’ve come forward. I’ve said
through my experiences God has preserved me and allowed me
to become fearless of all physical things on this earth. My
experiences have given me the confidence to move forward
without compromise, but it could be any one of you. It
could be Clinton. It could be Bush. But, the chances are
it will not be. I believe in conversion. I believe that
when Saul was struck by the Holy Ghost upon the road and
became Paul, that that could happen to George Bush. But I
tell you, it would be Divine Intervention, wouldn’t it? I
don’t know if it could happen to Bill Clinton, but I suppose
that it could.

(Laughter)

It could be anyone. That is my point. As long as we have
the same objectives, we’re supporting one thing and it’s
real simple, it’s in one page and it’s called The
Constitution of the United States of America. If we ‘ll
just support that, friends, we will have prosperity, we’ll
have health care, we’ll have everything we need in this
nation. But, without it and we’re about like a barrel going
over the edge at Niagara Falls if we don’t act now, we will
deserve what it is that we went over for. And so, you
represent a remnant. I’m sure that Bill Clinton will
probably come to Tehachapi, don’t you think? I know George
Bush is going to land out here at the Tehachapi Airport and
he’ll assemble and there will probably be thousands. I’ll
bet your local newspaper will be here, but, I’ll bet you,
you’ll leave here not knowing one new thing. I’ll bet you
leave here with Bushlip. I’ll bet you leave here with a
little bit of Clinton’s hips, maybe, but you won’t have any
new knowledge at all about how to get this nation back on
our feet as a healthy and as a sovereign and as a solvent
nation. It’s not you that I’m worried about.

George Washington told his troops, “In your hands rests the
destiny of hundreds of millions of unborn Americans.” In
your hands rests the destiny today of two hundred and fifty
million living Americans. And I think we ought to be
ashamed of ourselves.

We should recognize what we are. We are prodigal children
of the most high God. We have taken a birthright that is
the greatest on the globe and haven’t we squandered it? And
like the prodigal child, we have taken all that has been
given to us in our inheritance and we have allowed it to be
taken from us by those who are of much lesser stature in
this life. Now, just as the money lenders are about ready
to put the chains of slavery around our hands and our
ankles, we’d better wake up and cry, “Father, Father, help
me. Father, thou has given me a great birthright and I have
spent it foolishly and now the lenders, Father, are about to
put me in prison. Help Me.”

I believe God will hear our voice. I think that he will
help us, but only as much as we’re willing to help
ourselves. And so it means that you’re not going to have
two-hundred and fifty million Americans falling out
underneath the trees to hear a message of truth. Most of
them, ninety-seven percent (wasn’t that what it was during
the Revoltionary War), they are going to continue to sleep
on, like Gulliver. They’ll wake up to find they’ve been
pinned to the ground by the threads of tyranny that have
gradually been woven there by those who would be master.

You are the remnant. You are the sons. You are the
daughters. You’re His children. You hear His voice. He
knows you and you know Him, and so, you have no fear, but,
it is not you that I’m concerned about. It’s those people
that are less than 3 feet tall running around here. Those
are the ones that you should be concerned about, because if
you are a great-grandparent and the Lord were to call you
today, “Don’t go.” Tell God almighty, “I’m sorry, please, I
can’t go. Give me just a little more time that my great-
grandchild will not be destined to a life of debt slavery
because, Father, when I could have been laboring, I was
traveling around America in my Winnebago. I was enjoying
this life but I have awakened and my sons and my daughters
need my help. Let me have the time, Father. Let me have
the time to free them from the debt slavery that I’ve
allowed them to accumulate.

DEBT SLAVERY

And how do we do it? People continue to write me letters
and they continue to call and they want more and more
definition. To me, it was fairly easy. I just say, “The
Constitution.” And I figure people can go in there and read
and they’ll understand it, but, it isn’t that easy,
apparently, and so I want to give you a very quick lesson,
if I might, in money because the very first problem that
we’ve got to solve in America is this economy. DEBTORS ARE
NOT CHOOSERS. And, is it not true that the lenders are
preparing the shackles right now as I speak?

THE PLAGUE OF COMPOUND INTEREST

I was born January of 1939. The debt of the United States
was 16.8 billion dollars. Gosh, that’s a lot of money,
isn’t it? Well, in forty years it wasn’t anything because
the debt had gone from 16 to a thousand and do you think
that’s a pretty precipitous climb? That’s nothing, because
from 1981 to 1989, our debt tripled from 1 to 3 trillion
dollars in just eight years. Now that’s something! Is that
Reaganomics? Is that a Congress that is irresponsible?
Friends, that is compound interest. That’s what that is.
It wouldn’t have made any difference who was in the
government. It would have been the same. It’s called
compound interest and today it is four trillion and it will
soon be five and six trillion.

Now Lester Thurow… How many of you are familiar with him?
If you are put your hand up. Lester Thurow, he’s a world
renowned economist from MIT. He just put out a book called
HEAD TO HEAD. The reason I say this is because you’re
seeing already in the speeches prepared and put on these
three by five cards, for Clinton and for Bush to read, the
exact thoughts that Lester Thurow had put in his new book.
Lester Thurow says, in conclusion, that “America needs a
fifty percent income tax, not a thirty percent income tax.”
He says, “America needs a twenty percent value added tax on
all the things we buy. Europe does it.” He says, “America
needs to be spending four dollars a gallon for gasoline
because that would give us four hundred billion dollars so
we could pay our bill”, like H. Ross Perot said.

Do you believe that it is possible that Lester Thurow, a
Ph.D. of economics at MIT, could be so deep into academia,
he cannot see what the real problem is in the American
economy today? Do you think it’s true or could it even be
worse that Lester Thurow is part of the problem?

Well see, I don’t know what it is, but I do know this that
you’re getting the pablum coming right out of MIT, the same
pablum you’re gonna start hearing from the President and
from Clinton until the election and it’s going to be, you
watch it, if we don’t change this system, if we challenged
and had a thousand dollars a gallon of gasoline, would that
pay the bill? It will not. Why? COMPOUND INTEREST.
So, I’m going to present you with a simple solution.

Friends, if you have a better one or if you have another
one, I need to know it. But if you do not then you make
sure that the media that refuses to attend these conventions
because they have been bought and paid for are demanded to
give me airing. They are intellectual prostitutes. The
only purpose they serve are the people who own themto
vilify and to lie outright. You make sure that when Bill
Clinton comes here or Bush comes here, wherever you are,
that you get your hand up or you call in on Larry King Live
or you do whatever you have to do. You may have to lie,
cheat and steal a little bit and tell them, “I just want to
tell Mr. Bush what a wonderful Commander in Chief he has
been! What a great victory it is going to be when we go
back into Iraq! ” Now, they’ll probably let you on and then
when you get on say, “Bush, I’ve been wanting to say this to
you for a long time…” And then, before they can bleep you
off the air, you make sure you put some facts before him.
You know how to do it. It’ll work for you.

If they do not recognize this solution, I’m going to give
you and they don’t give a better one to you, don’t support
them. Don’t get into the “evil of two lessors” because
that’s what it is today and, friends, it’s the last choice
you’re going to have other than to reject a literal mark of
satan that will soon be coming if we stay with this system.
Now, leading up to my solution, I’m going to go over a few
papers with you. The reason that I do this is people ask me
all the time, “Bo, explain to me, write me a letter, tell me
exactly how this works.” I’m going to tell you precisely
how this works. Take notes. If you don’t like taking notes
then see my bride when this is over and the very same papers
that I present to you are available to you. They’ll cost
you $5.00 because they are considerable, but you’ll have
them so then you can xerox them. They’re official. There’s
no copyright and so, you can spread them around to your
friends. Let me give you, by your request, the exact
solution to this money problem.

I have to dig into my bag. Oops! (papers fly out.) You
always wonder what falls out. I’m kind of guided by The
Spirit when something falls out. I look at it. Maybe it’s
something I ought to be talking about. These are letters
from the Treasury Department. I’m going to give a lesson
and I hope that when you leave here, you will know more
about money and you will know more about exactly how to get
us back, as a solvent nation, than your bankers. You’d
better know more than your legislatures! But then I want
you to do something with this knowledge. Please, don’t just
leave here today and let this knowledge lay dormant.
We asked the question of the Treasury Department, “How does
the money come into creation?” I mean this stuff here (Bo
is now holding up a dollar bill) has got to come to us
somehow. We ask, “How does it get here?” And here is the
answer.

QUOTE: “The actual creation of money…”, this is from the
Department of the Treasury “…always…” remember that
word, that’s an important word, “…the actual creation of
money ALWAYS involves the extension of credit by private
commercial banks.” And so how does ALL money come into
existence? PRIVATE COMMERCIAL BANKS. Does it come into
existence with the Federal Government? No, it does not. It
comes into existence by loaning from private commercial
banks.

Well now, if you have to borrow money in order to get it,
aren’t you going to also be paying an interest? So, where
does the interest come from because that’s pretty important.
Gephardt, (and we were talking about the Balanced Budget
Amendment), said, “We owe four hundred billion dollars just
in interest every year.” Where’s it come from? Well, let
me read the answer because we got it from the Department of
the Treasury.

It is signed by Russell L. Monk, Assistant General Counsel.
QUOTE: “Money for paying the interest on borrowed money
comes from the same source as the other money comes from.”
All right, let’s make sure we’ve got it straight. Where
does all money come from? How was it created? Through
loans by commercial banks. All interest to pay on the loans
that come from commercial banks has to come as a form of a
loan from a commercial bank, true or false? It’s true. Can
we ever get out of debt under that system?

We can never get out of debt under that system. So, the
next question was, “Well, gosh, how does the Federal Reserve
get this money?” And it says, QUOTE: “Currency notes are
placed into circulation by your local financial
organizations and can only be obtained by that
source.” Linda L. Coleman, External Affairs.

Then we said, “Well, the mints…” because we know the mints
make the money, “…when the mints make the money, are the
Federal banks charged the same? Is it given to them at face
value?” QUOTE: “The notes are sold to the Federal
Reserve…” By the way, is the Federal Reserve federal? No
more federal than the “Federal Laundry”. No more federal
than the Federal Bakery. No more federal than Fred Smith’s
Federal Express. But listen to this: “The notes are sold to
the Federal Reserve at the cost of manufacture, not at face
value.”

Well, let’s see. My wife lets me carry one of these. I
can’t spend it unless I ask her, but I think I’ve got a
hundred dollars unless she went through my pocket this
morning. Yeah, here it is. (Bo holds up a $100 bill.) Oh,
you know how it is! I’ve got a clean pair of britches and
everything is already changed over for today’s event with
you. So, here’s a hundred dollar bill. Now, this $100
costs 2 cents to make. How much does the Federal Reserve
pay? By the way, this was written by Donna Polk, Director
of the Mint. She’s the one that says, “These notes are
given to the Federal Reserve at the cost of manufacture.”
Two cents. Now, let’s say I’ve got a $1 bill. How much
does that cost? Two cents. So, a one dollar bill or a
hundred dollar bill makes no difference.

But then these are loaned to us at face value, are they not?
What must you put up think about that just for a minute in
order to get this loan?

Now, next point: We ask, “Well, is there anything behind
this at all?” Because when you borrow it, don’t you have to
put up your home? Don’t you have to put up your vehicle?
Don’t you have to put up your time, your labor, your talent,
something that is valuable? Isn’t that true? You have to
give it substance, do you not, to the banks, so they will
give you this stuff. So obviously, there should be
something behind it. Just to make sure you know, all of
these letters are available to you in our information
packet. We asked them about it and here’s what they said.

They said, QUOTE: “Federal Reserve Notes are not redeemable
in gold or silver or any other commodity. Federal Reserve
Notes have not been backed by anything since 1933.” So, if
they’re not backed by anything, we asked the United States
Treasury, “If they’re not backed by anything, are they worth
anything?”

Department of the Treasury Bureau of Engraving and Printing,
signed by M.M. Schneider, Executive Assistant, QUOTE: “Money
without backing is worthless.”

So what is this worth? Zero. The interesting thing, most
easy number to remember Zero. Now, if we make these things
and give them to the Federal Reserve at 2 cents and they
loan them to us at face value and we have to put up our land
and all that we have worked hard to gain and even the
interest has to be borrowed, somebody is always going
bankrupt, aren’t they, just to pay the interest. A million
bankruptcies in the last twelve months. More than in any
other time in our history over a million.

Well, as a devious mind because in Special Forces the thing
that’s special is that the things we do have never been done
before and so we have to get up out of the ozone layer so
that we can have access to original thought. And so, before
I could ever be a presidential candidate, I had to answer
the question How am I going to be able to solve the national
debt? So, I went back and started looking at what had been
done in the past so I wouldn’t have to re-invent the wheel,
and Thomas Jefferson says, “If you ever let the banks take
over the currency and credit, your children wake up as
slaves on the continent that was conquered by their
fathers.” Is that true today? Then I went and looked at
Andy Jackson, Old Hickory, they almost impeached him. He
wasn’t popular at all, was he? Because in 1832, he said to
the Federal Banks, who had grown up in spite of Jefferson,
he said, “You are a den of vipers and thieves and by the
power of the Creator, I’ll rout you out.” And he did. And
in 1836, what was the debt of the United States? Easy
number to remember. What was it? (“Zero! “) Thank you. It
was absolutely Zero!

So, I started thinking… Well, if Andy Jackson can make it
zero and Abraham Lincoln in 1862 needed 450 million dollars
and the banks were ready to loan it to him to continue the
Civil War and he said, “It is not right for us to burden our
children with our debts.” God be praised for Abraham
Lincoln. So he started printing “greenbacks”. There was no
gold or silver behind them, but there was no debt behind
them either. He just printed green-backs and the banks
called him extreme. They said, “He’s a radical.” They
said, “He can’t do that.” But, he did.

Now, I’m going to test our Ph.D. here on the stage (Dr. Ed
Young) because if Abe Lincoln would have accepted 450
million dollars and the rate at that time of interest was a
mere 20 percent, what would it be worth today in 1992?
‘Cause we never pay the principal, do we? We just pay the
interest. So, what would it be worth today? I can’t read
it because it’s the next figure up from quadrillion, what is
that? Sextillions? Isn’t it Sextillions? It sounds like
it would be, in the order today sex something-or-other. I
believe it is sextillions. Is there that much money in the
world sextillions? I don’t think there is. I can read the
one that is down from that. At 10 percent, at half the
interest, it would be a hundred thirty-one trillion dollars!

Now, do you want to say, thank you, Lord, for Abraham
Lincoln and for the Holy Spirit that intervened and allowed
him to say “No! ” to those scum, those bankers, those
politicians that belong on the bottom of the ocean with
whale droppings and almost every lawyer that I can think of?
Abraham Lincoln saved us. He knew we would be debt slaves
if he accepted that compound interest loan.

Well now, I started digging around in the Treasury a little
bit and it’s kind of interesting. I’ve had a lot of help.
There’s a guy named Byron Dale, he puts this out, and Byron
said, “Bo, last year we minted five hundred million dollars
in coins.” Does anybody have a quarter? How much do you
think a quarter is actually worth? It costs us… (Someone
hands Bo a quarter) Thank you. Now, you’ll see why you
won’t get this back because it’s really worthless! A
quarter costs 1.008 cents to make. So, there’s no silver in
there. Is there? No. And so that quarter only costs a
cent, but when we give it to the Federal Reserve, they have
to give us credit for 25 cents. They have to give us credit
for the face value. Are you beginning to follow me here?
And so when we mint a silver dollar, it’s not really silver,
but how much credit must they give the debt of the United
States? One dollar. It only costs us about 2 cents to do
that, but, it’s a dollar. As a matter of fact, a Susan B.
Anthony costs a lot less than a half a dollar does because
it’s smaller.

Well, if that’s true… Let’s make sure we’ve got it all
right, so there won’t be any confusion here when you leave
today. You’re going to know without locking Congress up at
Andrews Air Force Base exactly how to get America out of
debt if these are given to them at 2 cents because that’s
all it costs to make and yet they loan them back to us at
face value and remember that now so we’re four trillion
dollars in debt with these, aren’t we? And, if this only
costs a cent to make, but they have to give us 25 cents
credit, what is wrong with minting a giant coin (Bo holds up
a 5″ diameter, giant coin) that says “Four Trillion
Dollars Debt of the United States Paid in Full In God We
Trust.” (Huge round of applause.) Now, I ask you, let’s be
very clear about it: is that legal? I’d be very
enthusiastic if I thought I could get my great grandkids, my
grandchild who’s thirteen now and my three mules and a
daughter, if I could get them out of debt because they all
owe $42,000. That’s what every one of you owe and that’s
what your kids owe and if you’re born today, that’s the
price of being an American. I’d be excited about thinking
on this because is this coin going to be made out of gold?
Is it going to be made out of silver? No, it has to be made
out of pot metal because it has to be worthless! It has to
equal what it is that they have been giving us all this
time!

BUSH’S TRUE ALLEGIANCE

Now, you may say, I’ll bet you, if you’re from the media
because I’ve tested the media with this and they say, “Huh?
Uh. Um. Uh, I don’t think you can do that, Bo. Well,
Department of the Treasury, QUOTE: “The former Chairman of
the House Coinage Subcommittee correctly points out that we
could pay off the National debt with a single four trillion
dollar coin.” Now, tell me that I cannot do it. And so,
will we do it? Yes! Will George Bush do it? No! . Will
Bill Clinton do it? No! Because, you see, they have a
different master. On C-SPAN, George Bush is recorded as
having said, “Whatever I am, whatever I become, I owe to
David Rockefeller.” Well, the President of the United
States ought to be serving a different master. And, matter
of fact, before the United Nations this year, George Bush
made this statement, he said, “It is to the sacred U.N.
Charter that we and all people will now and forever pledge
our allegiance.”

Well, maybe that’s good for him and all of his international
bankers and petroleum buddies and David Rockefeller, but
there’s 250 million of us! Friends, I want you to know that
I am absolutely 100% behind gun control and my definition
is–responsible citizens being able to hit what they aim at
with the first shot. (Huge applause.) Now that’s gun
control and if you have anything less than that, you’re
getting close to unconditional surrender. But, as long as
there is 200 million weapons in the hands–and I’ve got to
admit, I’ve got more than my share, so there’s some of you
out there that are probably unarmed–but if there’s 200
million weapons in the hands of 250 million American
citizens, do you understand why we can get out of debt, if
we will? But will we? (Big round of applause.)

Now, how long is it gonna take to punch this boy out? (Bo
is referring to minting the giant coin) Not very long. Pot
metal is real easy to form into a coin and it doesn’t have
to be really in beautiful condition.

Oh, by the way, what happens to the Emir of Kuwait? The
Emir of Kuwait owns 8 billion dollars of America’s debt.
Now, the media said, “What are you going to do about him?
Are you going to cheat him?” I said, “We’re not cheating
anybody. This stuff right here is worthless and so this pot
metal coin, I know that it would be worthless, but for the
Emir of Kuwait, it is 4 trillion dollars on its face value.
Let the Emir of Kuwait go to the Federal Reserve where he
bought the debt in the first place and tell them that he
wants a little piece of their coin.” It should be perfectly
all right.

What about the citizens of Americ,a because there aren’t
many but there are some who own a little bit of the American
debt? Friends, we created this government. Those citizens
are going to be paid. We’re going back on a gold and a
silver standard so that we don’t have a devaluation of
American currency anymore. We’re going back that way
because that’s what the Constitution says.

————-Cont in Gritz Speech part 2 ———————————

Don

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————-Bo Gritz speech part 2 ————————————-

Now, as soon as this coin is given to them, this is going to
be given with the left hand. I’m going to do that
purposefully. If you have any Islamic knowledge, you’ll
know why. I’m going to give them this coin with the left
hand after I’ve come out of the men’s room. I know it
sounds tough, but, you know, I get bitter about this. I’m
extreme and I’m radical. When I think of what they’ve done
to our posterity and our prosperity, haven’t they stolen it
from us? So, they deserve whatever they get and a lot more
besides. I wasn’t even going to give them this coin because
you don’t need to, but, you see, I found out we could and be
legal, so we are.

Friends, this doesn’t take four years. This takes one hour
into the presidency.

The next thing we do is we tell the Federal Reserve: “You
are out of business as of this day! You are history! ”
And now we come to Gephardt, and we’re going to say, “Now
Gephardt, how much interest do we have to pay?” And how
much interest do we have to pay? None!

Just like “Old Hickory”. You see, we’re not doing anything
that’s new. We’re going back and we’re looking at the
Wisdom and the Divine Intervention into our Founding Fathers
and we are doing the things that they have shown us, as
guided, that if we’ll follow, we, too, can be free; we, too,
can have liberty and prosperity. And how do we say and
under what authority do we say that the Federal Reserve is
history? Well, I see it in the newspapers. They say, “Bo
Gritz cannot do what he says because these matters are to be
left to Congress.” And everybody knows that they’re the
best that money can buy.

Friends, I would invite the media to read Article 2, Section
3 of the Constitution. It says, “The President will take
care to insure the Laws are faithfully carried out.” The
glory of the Constitution is this: it’s called Checks and
Balances. Haven’t we heard that before? And when the
Supreme Court won’t and when the Congress won’t–are you
telling me the President cannot? Can the President do what
the Supreme Court and the Congress will not do as long as it
is Constitutional? Most certainly can. Is there anyone in
here who says–“No, you can’t do that?” Because, you see,
very clearly by the Constitution has there ever been an
amendment to the Constitution that says you can have a
private industry like the Federal Reserve coining money and
regulating the value thereof? There never has been one and
so that’s the authority that we make sure this law is
squared by and so we get rid of them.

Now, when we get rid of them, what happens to the income
tax? Does the income tax pay for government? This is very
important because people are always going, “Bo, how can we
pay for government? What happens to all the highways, the
military? What happens to all the government programs?”
Does anyone in here believe that your income tax goes to pay
for government? (“No! “) Thank you. How come the media
doesn’t know that?

You know the Grace Commission was put together in 1982–I’m
always going to give you proof, I don’t try to pull this
stuff out of a rabbit’s hat–these things come straight from
law that has already been tested. The Grace Commission in
1982 spent 75 million dollars under Ronald Reagan. Their
job was to try and streamline government. In 1984, if
you’ve got a library here in Tehachapi or Bakersfield or
wherever you go, just go in there and tell the librarian,
“I’d like to see the Grace Commission Report, 1984.” One of
the findings is very interesting. It says, “Not one dollar
of your personal income tax goes to pay for government.”
Where does your income tax go? It goes to the debt of the
United States. And, who is the owner of the debt of the
United States? It is the Federal Reserve. And, who owns
the Federal Reserve? Is it owned by American entrepreneurs?
No, it is not! And even the bankers should not have a
nationality, I agree with you, but, THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS
OWNED PRIMARILY BY EUROPEANS.

Friends, we fought the War of 1812 to get the Europeans out
of our pockets. We fought the Revolutionary War for that
purpose. The War Between The States was not over slavery–
the Europeans were trying to break America apart so that
they could take us on more easily as separates instead of a
united states. They’re still after us and they’ve almost
got us. But, you know what’s interesting? It always seems
like America wakes up just in time. I pray that this is the
case.

One more thing… What happens to the IRS? Think about it
for a minute. The IRS, they are paid by the Federal
government. If you work for the IRS, you get a green check
and it says, “Treasury of United States”. But, have any of
you ever paid income tax? Most of you, probably. Go and
look at the check that you write. Do you write it to the
Treasury of the United States? If you do, they send it
back. How must you make out your check? It must be made
out to the payment of who? The IRS. Now, what does the IRS
do? They cancel the check, don’t they? What does the
cancellation say? Dig out your own checks at home and see
what is put on the back of the check. It says, “For deposit
into any–(what?)–FEDERAL RESERVE BANK AGAINST THE DEBT OF
THE UNITED STATES.” The IRS is an agent for the Federal
Reserve. Friends, they have become a modern day gestapo.
Now, you may say, “Well, Bo, they’re so efficient.” H. Ross
Perot would have made them even greater so that they could
better collect funds so that government could pay its bills.
Just like Lester Thurow says today.

Do you think it would have been good to have held onto the
Gestapo after World War II? How about–let’s hold on to the
KGB, ok? They’re awfuly efficient, aren’t they? You know,
I have seen with my own eyes a Regional Director, a tax
collector, an auditor and a publicist from the IRS all admit
publicly, “We don’t know what the laws say. We only do what
we’re told.” Was that good enough at Nuremburg? It was
not. We said, “We won’t let the Nazis get away with it.”
Why do we let the Federal Reserve get away with it?
And so, the Federal Reserve, friends, must be purged. And
so, it will be! Who appoints the head of the Federal
Reserve? Who appoints the head of the IRS? The President
does. And so, can the President also fire them? Well, you
see, a Board of the Federal Reserve cannot be fired by one
President because they’re appointed for like thirteen years,
but, there’s not going to be a Federal Reserve for them to
be the Board of, because those banks are history and the IRS
is gone, and so, there won’t be any need. We’re going to
start saving some money there! So, we get rid of them.

Is there any question about how we get out of debt? Because
right now with this system right here, the debt of the
United States is zero and your children are no longer debt
slaves and there can no longer be a foreign power to
foreclose on you. I hope your learned a little bit about
money. (Applause) How many of you knew you could pay off
the debt with a single coin? (Applause) All right, good,
so some of us learned something then. For those of you that
knew this, I’ll try to get into deeper matters.

NO “NEW WORLD ORDER”

The next thing that we’re going to do, very simply, is–say
NO to the New World Order. And, we’re going to do a little
more than that. I would pull us out of the United Nations
before I would ever surrender the Sovereignty of our nation
to the United Nations.

(Huge round of applause.)

Who owns the land upon which the United Nations has their
meetings in New York? Thank you. Mr. David Rockefeller
does. David Rockefeller can rent that property out as a
condominium as far as I’m concerned, because, what happened
to the League of Nations back in 1919? They gave Woodrow
Wilson the Nobel Peace Prize for it, but we said “No” and it
dried up and blew away. If America was to pull out of the
U.N. what do you think would happen? I think it would dry
up and blow away and do you think the world would be any
less off for it? I’ll tell you one thing–we’ve got no
business at all in Iraq and you’re going to see us returning
there. We’ve got no business at all over in Yugoslavia.
Thirty Nazi divisions could not disarm those Croatians and
Serbs and so we definitely should not be involved in there.
And if you want to cut the head off Saddam Hussein, we’re
going to let the Arabs do it. I wouldn’t send a single
American soldier anywhere outside these borders. (Applause.)
For those of you who have worn a uniform, welcome home.

(Huge applause.)

We know the price of liberty. There’s something worth
fighting for, is there not? There’s something worth
bleeding for; there’s something worth dying for. Everything
I know of is within the boundaries of the United States of
America and so, let us guard our borders. We’ve got a
million illegal immigrants that swarm in here every year.
Very frankly, I think that America should open its doors to
anyone who would want to properly immigrate into this
country and the Congress sets those standards and so if you
want to wait in line and fill out the paper work, then I
think we should open our arms. My family came from Germany
and unless you’re an American Indian, you’re not native to
this land. America is an immigrant nation, but we need to
stop being the world policeman, friends. And along with
that goes all foreign aid. We’re not going to give anymore
foreign aid until America is healed. (Applause.) Now if
you want to give money to some foreign country, does that
mean that you can’t do it? No. You can give all the money
you want to any foreign country you want as long as it’s
your personal money, but not the public money because that’s
against the Constitution of the United States.

WAR ON AIDS

We’re going to follow the Constitution. We’re going to win
this war on AIDS. We have to. The World Health
Organization has properly announced, and I don’t think they
know the half of it, that there will be ten times more
incidents of AIDS in America within the next several years.
They say by the year 2000, we will be spending a trillion,
think about it, a trillion and a half dollars. That is one
thousand billion, five hundred more billion, on just taking
care of AIDS patients in hospitals by the year 2000. What
happens to Bill Clinton’s national health care plan then?
Hey friends, let me tell you, do slaves have health care
plans? They most certainly do. If the master wants a slave
to be productive, the master’s got to make sure the slave
can work. So you’re going to have your national health care
plan under the New World Order.

But you know what’s going to go in my plan? And here’s the
solution to winning the war on AIDS. The first thing we do-
-let me relate it to something that maybe all of you know a
little something about and where I live in Sandy Valley, we
have our own septic system. Every now and then it clogs up.
When it clogs up I do not get a little straw and try to blow
down into the bowl and clear it. When the septic tank at
the Gritz house clogs up in Sandy Valley, I call Roto-Rooter
and Roto-Rooter comes out there and they rout it out so that
we have a clean flow again. The reason we do not have clean
government is because human sediment is blocking the flow of
clean government. Kennedy got killed because he left the
old bureaucracy in place. Then, when he did fire Allen
Dulles, it was something they weren’t going to permit along
with about seven other reasons they had.

We are going–and I know you probably think, “Bo, with your
military experience, you’ve got some really neat insignia.
Something like a screaming eagle or something really
magnificent”. No. Our symbol is going to be crossed
plumber’s pals. Those big jobs with the scoops on the end
of them. That’s going to be the emblem of the Gritz
Administration because I’m going to fire–and tell me I
can’t do it–I’m going to fire all 16,000 bureaucrats that
the President appoints. Every one of them is gone and we’re
going to need those plumbers pals to suck them out. But
what does this mean and how does this relate to AIDS? Who
runs the Food and Drug Administration today? You probably
have got some pretty interesting answers, but is it not AMA
doctors? And don’t you think they are bought and paid for
by the petrochemical people? So what does this mean when we
take the plumber’s pal into the Food and Drug Administration
and we rout them out? We’re going to replace those AMA
doctors with Naturopaths and with Holistic Medicine people
that know that living better through chemistry is great for
DuPont, but it doesn’t do anything for getting America back
on her feet. And so tell me we can’t do that? (Huge
applause.) Who appoints the head of the Food and Drug? The
President does. And so were 16,000 bureacrats appointed by
the President. Now friends, I don’t know 16,000 people, but
I’ll tell you what–I’ve got a list and we’re checking it
twice and we’re making a list of 16,000 and if you know
anyone who has talent, if you can balance a checkbook,
friends, you are more qualified to be serving in Washington,
District of Criminals than those that are there now. And if
you are a grandparent, you’ve got the two best reasons in
the world to do it right.

I love it when they criticize me because the media in Idaho
wrote a real nasty news article, very cynical. It said, “Bo
Gritz says he’s going to take Capital Hill with 16,000
grandmothers”. They better get ready. I have a feeling
that those AMA doctors are going to report back and say,
“Boy, my backside still hurts. Some old grandma came in
with one of these plumber’s pals and routed me out and has
got my desk right now and we’re curing AIDS by using things
that have been available through this earth since this earth
has been here”. And the reason you don’t have those things
today is because there’s no profit in them.

You see, one of the documents that I have here is the
Solicitation for Charitable Purposes card. It’s for the
National Cancer Research Center. Out of every dollar how
much do you suppose goes to cancer research? Hold up your
hand if you think 50%, 25%, 5%? See, there’s an optimist
back there. Let me cut right to the chase. The National
Cancer Research Center, do they have any other purpose?
National-Cancer-Research-Center! Boy, that’s got to be the
hub of all the solutions, right? Well, let me just run down
the facts for you. A full 57% of the proceeds collected go
to the Watson Huey Company. They are the publicists. Then
32% goes to the buying of all the advertising and all of the
advertisers and their budgets and then you have the
administrators. They get 7%. When it’s all added up on the
Solicitation for Charitable Purposes card, it’s very clear–
.54 of 1%, that’s a half a penny out of every dollar goes to
cancer research.

What do you think would happen to a young laboratory
technician who might suddenly discover a cheap effective
cure for cancer? Do you think it would immediately be
announced by the National Cancer Research Center? I don’t
think so because that multi-multi-billion dollar collection
industry would collapse, would it not? Lorraine Day is
going to be the Surgeon General in this administration.
Laraine Day told me the other day that the head of cancer
research is now head of AIDS research because there’s more
money to be made in AIDS than there is in cancer.

Now how do we win this war? One is we get rid of the Food
and Drug Administration bought-and-paid-for bureaucrats, the
profiteers and we replace them with knowledgeable
experience–not voodoo people because that’s what you’re
going to be called–but real people and ones knowledgeable
of the therapies. What about oxygen? Oxygen is really hard
to get a hold of isn’t it? Oxygen doesn’t cost very much,
does it? Los Angeles has four ozone generators, but they
don’t have the most. In Moscow they have the largest ozone
generator in the world. What do these things do? They
purify all of the water. How do they do it? You tell me if
I’m wrong. Not one virus, not one fungus, not one bacteria
can live in an oxygen-intensive environment. Is that true
or false? It’s true. Gosh, if that’s true and you can do
anything you want to do to the waters of Moscow–and they
probably do in L.A.–and it purifies it, are you telling me
we can’t use oxygen therapy to win the war against AIDS?
Isn’t AIDS a virus? And is that the only one of the
solutions that you can think of? Friends, there are at
least three or four that I have personal knowledge of and
I’m not an expert in this.

JOIN BO’S WINNING TEAM

If you know people, we need to know who they are. We’ve got
one group that does nothing but sort out all these
recommendations. I’ve got to have 16,000 people because
when I fire–some of you are going to put yourselves out of
business. We’re going to completely get rid of the
Education Department and so Phil Lindstrom is going to be
head of the Education Department. He runs the Christian
Liberty Academy of West Chicago. He sends out a lot of the
books that people use for home schooling. He knows about
what education should be, and his job–get rid of his whole
department. And so he will. And when you’re invited in,
you see if you’re there for your grandchildren and for their
children and for your own children. You’ll do it right
won’t you?

I’m not saying I’m not going to have any young lawyers. I
can see a lot of you right now getting worried about the
lawyers. Don’t worry about the lawyers. Lorraine Day said
the lawyers are already being hired by the laboratories
because there’s more lawyers today than there are rats. She
also said that the laboratory technicians don’t become
attached to the lawyers the way they do with the rats once
the rats are kept around the laboratory for quite a while,
and there are some things she said that a rat will just not
do and so lawyers will always have jobs, fear not for them.
And you’re worried aren’t you, about the IRS people. What
are they going to do? They’re going to be offered an
opportunity to fill sand bags because do you think these
international bankers, when they go back to Europe, it’s
simple to get rid of them isn’t it? It’s real simple.
Here’s the Constitution and here’s their coin. Now they’re
history. But is it going to be easy? They go back to
Europe and don’t you think Europe is going to embargo
America? Don’t you think the media is going to rain all
over us? It may not be easy, but is it going to be worth
it? And what is your alternative? Thank you. Slavery, in
one word.

ASK FOR GOD’S HELP

Now I just mentioned a few things to you and you’ve been
very patient. I’m talking about your posterity, so your
posteriors, I know, weigh in on this issue. You’ve been
very kind and gracious, you’ve come from different places
and maybe even different states here and I would hope that
you would have learned something. As you travel back to
your homes would you do me and my brothers a service? Would
you call upon God in your own way, would you do whatever you
think that God would have you do that he might honor your
petition? Do you believe that God, if he would, could reach
down and deliver our prisoners and restore them while they
are still alive? Do you believe that He could? I believe
He can.

Now we don’t know what God’s agenda is. We never know. You
see, I would love for America to stand against a world
raging against itself, but will we? Let’s say they take
this sacred Constitution document. To me it is a sacred
document. You see, I took an oath to this document. It was
to defend it against all enemies, foreign and domestic. How
many of you took that oath? It didn’t go away did it? Was
there anything in the oath that said that you only have to
do that as long as you’re in uniform or wear a badge or in
office or draw a green check? There was nothing like that
in there, was it? “I promise to bear true faith and
allegiance to the United States of America”. I have given
this oath so many times I can even remember it. I know it
by heart. “And to defend the Constitution of the United
States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. I want
you to remember your oath.

Now, if they take this document and they shred it and let’s
say that they pulp it and let’s say they burn it and let’s
say that they throw it into the Potomac River, does that
make any difference? Does that mean that the Constitution
is dead? Where does the Constitution live? Thank you. The
Constitution lives right here (in the heart). It is a
LIVING document. It was inspired by God, it was gained by
blood and by courage and by sacrifice. It lives within us.
As a matter of fact, I was on a radio program in Washington
this last week and their big problem is whether or not to
move the RFK Stadium from Washington D.C. to Alexandria VA
and I said, “Do you mind if I give you my solution? I would
take this whole capital, as President of the United States,
and I would lift it up out of the muck that it is now stuck
in and I would move it clear out to another area. And I
would have everybody here, stay here, that’s here right
now.” And I said, “We’d have clean government for a while.”

And about every 50 years I’d call a period of jubilation
just like they had in the Bible and we’d move it so all
those political action committee (PAC) people would have to
stay there and we’d continue to have clean government. I
think we’re going to have perfect government. It’s not
going to be under Bo Gritz, it’s certainly not going to be
under the New World Order. A lady in Denver two days ago
asked me, “Bo, why are you fighting this New World Order?
Isn’t this the thing that God wants us to have? Isn’t this
a thing that he has given us where we will have a single,
global government? There will be peace and prosperity.
We’ll all be working together as John Lennon said–‘wouldn’t
it be wonderful'” And I said, “Ma’am, we’re going to have
perfect government, but it’s not under David Rockefeller and
it’s not under The New World Order”.

BIBLICAL PROPHECIES

When I read, friends, in Revelation and I read in Daniel, it
tells me about what’s happening. You are living in three-
dimensional periods that we’ve been reading about in two
dimensions for generations. Tell me, how many heads did the
beast have that Daniel saw crawl out of the ocean that
represented a global government? Seven heads. And what do
the nations and leaders of the world call themselves today?
The G what? The G7. And wasn’t one of those heads severely
wounded and to the awe of all who beheld it, wasn’t it
miraculously healed? And what happened when the wall went
down between East and West Germany? Weren’t we in awe? I
tell you they didn’t show it on CNN. It wasn’t shown by the
star gazers that all this was going to happen. We were in
awe, weren’t we, as we watched that occur? Wasn’t that a
healing of one of the G7? I’m excited about it.

I’m going to show you one more thing before I step down from
here. And that is about a year ago, a little over a year
ago now, I was in Idaho Falls and the person there was a
computer consultant who worked in Brussels for the Economic
Community of Europe and he was correcting me. We had a
luncheon before the talk and this was before I was running
for President, so it was over a year ago. And he sat down
and he said. “Bo, I want you to be accurate”. I had used
the material out of Mary Rolfy’s book. She’s a Christian
writer. She said that we were using infrared laser tattoos
to mark animals and she was hypothesizing that we would use
this infrared laser to mark people. And he said, “Bo, that
isn’t the way it’s going to go. I know. I was one who
helped set up the EAN System–European Article Numbering
System”. We call it the Bar Code here in America. Doesn’t
it mark almost everything? Doesn’t it? Can you even buy a
Bible without having to look in the box it comes in; and
there’s the mark. Well, you look at one of my books. You
won’t find a mark on it.

I’m hard headed. I got shot in the back of the head in
Vietnam, the bullet bounced off. I haven’t checked all of
my anatomy; I don’t know if I’m 100% bullet proof, but I am
hard-headed and I think that’s going to be beneficial if we
win this presidential election. Now, he said, “Bo, we’re
going to use a micro chip. It’s smaller than a grain of
rice”. I’ve got one of them in here. (He held up a plastic
case with the little microchip module inside, the size of a
small grain of rice.) I’ll pass it around to you, you can
take a look at it and I hope you’ll have the forethought and
the time to come to reject it. Now this micro chip is
fairly exciting. It is smaller than a grain of rice; it’s
encapsulated in a tiny membrane that is nontoxic. He said,
“If we were to mark an infant upon birth with an infrared
laser tattoo, as that child matured, you see, it would
distort the mark.” He said, “We’re going to use this
microchip.”

This was over a year ago and he described what I’m holding
in my hand right now except that we really didn’t have it
available at that time. And then in November, L.A. said
that they were passing a law that would make it mandatory,
they were going to mark pets because they wanted pet owners
to be more responsible. Then in July of this year in Fort
Lauderdale, they just picked up the same thing. It’s gone
all the way across America now from November the 12th in LA
where it started, all the way to Fort Lauderdale in July of
this year. Everybody’s using this mark now to mark animals.

I’ve got a video tape. See, my arms aren’t long enough to
get around all these facts so I depend on you. I got a
video tape just the other day sent to me–the person said it
was coming. Last night I stuck it into the video and there
it was on Discovery channel where they are now offering
these things on a voluntary basis to mark children so that
they cannot be kidnapped or you can find them or the babies
won’t be exchanged on you in the hospital. Isn’t that
exciting? They’re also beginning to use this–the yuppies
back East think this is real clever to have their credit
card information put into this mark so it can be inserted
under the hand, so all they have to do is walk into the
store and say, “Darling, scan my hand with your wand”.
That’s all they’ve got to do. These things are exciting to
me. How come? This is the precursor to “perfect”
government, friends. We’re going to have “perfect”
government in the near term, and the mark of the beast, if
you remember your biblical predictions.

Now, let me say I’m not a prophet, but I did make some
predictions. I predicted the very day that H. Ross Perot
would go belly up. If you get my newsletter, three months
before it happened you saw me saying during the Democratic
Convention, “You won’t see H. Ross Perot anymore. He’s
gonna cash in”. Knowing the beast allows you to generally
be able to tell what the beast’s habits are going to be. I
think you’re going to see something–how many of you are
from California here? I think you’re going to see something
catastrophic in California before the elections.

FEDERAL ENSLAVEMENT MANAGEMENT AGENCY

The reason is because FEMA (Federal Emergency Management
Agency) is gearing up. I don’t know exactly what the event
will be, but I would venture a couple of entries. First of
all we have treaties. When I worked for the Hughes air
crash company as a cover in Los Angeles, we had Malibu and
Santa Barbara as the skunk works and they developed a thing
called Gemstone. Anybody aware of the Gemstone technology?
Gemstone is outer space particle laser technology and more
advanced systems and that was back in 1979/1980 when I was
playing secret squirrel for the government. They already
had these things developed and they were being put in orbit.
Now the Soviet has appeared to have gone belly up so we now
have all of their technology, do we not? And as a treaty
basis we agreed with the Soviets that we would not cause any
earthquakes. We would not cause any radical weather
patterns. We would not attack any crops with weather
systems or cause any phenomena with the earth or its
atmosphere. If we made treaties to that, doesn’t that tell
you that we do indeed have the technology? Friends, George
Bush is not acting like a man who is just about to be voted
out of office. I think maybe he thinks he knows something
that we don’t.

George Bush, I believe, is going to try to gain some
popularity by going back in to Iraq, but I don’t think it’s
going to work. I don’t think the American people are going
to be caught up by killing 500,000 Iraqis the way we were in
January, 1991. Do you? But I think he knows something
else. I believe that a fully informed jury could have saved
us from the Rodney King problems. Unfortunately, the jury
did what the judge said and that’s not what fully informed
juries are all about. It’s not what Article 3 is all about
in the Constitution. And so I believe the L.A. riots were
just a little entr‚, just a precursor to greater things. It
was a dress rehearsal for a larger FEMA operation.

In Phoenix, Arizona, there are Black Hawk helicopters flying
down beneath the buildings. The people are told on
television, “Don’t get excited. This is just U.S. military
forces practicing and training in these FEMA operations.”
How come they’re doing this in Phoenix, do you think? How
come they’re doing this in Nevada? Friends, I believe that
you, in California, are going to be in an experiment, and I
don’t know what kind it will be, but I think that George
Bush has it geared up before the election. If I were you I
would be prepared.

There are only three kinds of people those who have their
heads up high and can see what’s going on, those who are
waiting for something to happen you won’t be
disappointed and those who wonder what happened after it’s
already occurred. You make sure that you’ve got yourself a
72-hour pack. Right now in my closet, in my home, I’ve got
my rucksacks that I’ve worn in Laos and Yemen and Bangladesh
and Burma it’s all set. I just pick it up. It’s got
everything I need to live for just about as long as I need
to be outside of civilization. You better have yourself a
72-hour pack. You better save yourself some food. My wife
and I were in Washington, D.C. in February, 1979. There’s
going to be an efficiency spike that people won’t be able to
figure out for a long time. There was a blizzard for three
days in Washington, District of Criminals. We could not get
out of the hotel. Our car was completely covered with
snow everything! Can you imagine these high appointed
officials could not get into their offices! How did the
world continue to orbit? This is amazing! That’s why
there’s going to be an efficiency spike because everybody
else around the world just kept on working without
Washington’s interference. Three days friends, people were
panicking. The hotel didn’t have any food, the 7-11’s were
all out of food.

What happens when you have a considerable earthquake. Could
it be possible I want you to think about it let’s say the
Soviet Union and America, using the technology that we have
already made treaties for, that we “won’t” use. Do you
believe those treaties? Has Russia ever kept a treaty it
made? One thousand of them. Have they ever kept them?
They never had. Well, have we? So do you think that
maybe I don’t want you to become victims. I’m not trying to
be Henny Penny, but literally, the sky could come tumbling
in on you.

But I believe California, because of your special
situation you’ve got 30 million people here, folks. If
something catastrophic happens here, now, what happens to
the population without food, communications,
hospitalization? You’re going to start moving toward
Arizona, Nevada, Oregon? All of a sudden the Federal forces
are going to have to come out and that could mean almost
anything, couldn’t it?

Newt Gingrich, I saw his face along with Phil Gramm today as
we left. It was a sour note to leave my home on. They are
both going to be key-note speakers at the Republican
Convention. Newt Gingrich and Phil Gramm, both conservative
Republicans, were the ones that tried to sponsor a 5-year
declaration of a national emergency. It would have taken
away your Constitution and your Bill of Rights. Would
anything have been left after 5 years? Those are the people
that are closest to the President. Be ready, be prepared.
Otherwise, they’ll just pour concrete in around your ears,
will use your backsides for bicycle racks or something
useful. That’s what’s going to happen to most people, is it
not? If they ever take down the Stars and Stripes what are
you going to do? Are you going to be let’s determine first
of all are you going to be lawful if you defend your rights
under the Constitution? In 1954 the U.S.
Senate found in its review that the U.N. Charter is the
supreme law of the land. Friends, does it make a damn what
the U.S. Senate finds? It sure doesn’t to me. Does it make
a hoot what the Supreme Court says? It sure doesn’t to me.

This document right here (holds up Constitution) says this
is the Supreme Law of the land. So am I lawful if I defend
my rights under it? I most certainly am. So now no matter
what they do in Washington D.C., if it ever reached a time
when they say…”Well, we’re taking down the Stars and
Stripes…” then I have a substitute for you. It’s nothing
original. We have used it before. Could I ask my bride to
come up here and maybe just spread this out (yellow flag).
When they take our Stars and Stripes down, let’s fly this
one. It just simply says “DON’T TREAD ON ME” because
Americans all over this nation are going to go on living in
spite of government.

What I have been prepared to do more than anything else my
entire adult life is wreck trains. I regard one of George
Bush’s lights at the end of the tunnel as a freight train.
It is labeled the New World Order and I am going to derail
it I will derail it as a President with 16,000 of you.
Friends, I will derail it as a patriot with all that will
follow, but I am not going to surrender my birthright. I
know something you see, Jimmy the Greek wouldn’t have given
George Washington any odds at all would he in the Las Vegas
sports book about being able to win over King George. What
would Jimmy the Greek have said if they were matching up
David and Goliath. Jimmy the Greek would have laughed,
wouldn’t he? But in every case they won, they won because
they were fighting for something that was right.

Are we willing to fight if need be for what is right? The
very first step, we take Capital Hill, we do it in November,
we do it with ballots. Don’t you let Jimmy the Greek enter
your equation. You do what you can do. You do all that you
can do. You be a Willy Brown and then you let God do for us
what we cannot do for ourselves because if Perot won the
election wouldn’t it be to the glory of the hundred million
or whatever it took and if Bush wins the election, or
Clinton the glory of their great party. Friends, when we
win this election it is going to be to the glory of only One
Thing and what is that in one word? Thank you! It is going
to be to the glory of God (applause). And in Second
Chronicles, Chapter 7, Verse 14, we are given our promise.
If we, who are His children, will call His name, if we will
recognize our dependency upon Him, if we are willing to
change some of our ways, then He’ll hear our voice and He’ll
heal our land.

I’m a school teacher when I can be. I taught a class in
Government two weeks ago in “Lost Wages” (otherwise known as
Las Vegas) at Clark High School. I broke the Supreme
Court’s latest edict and I was happy to do so. I’d like for
you to tell me how we can teach Government? Because you
know how I broke it? I broke it in the first minute I was
in the class and all the teachers that aren’t teaching
themselves anytime I teach, for some reason they come in and
sit down at the back of the classroom and they bring their
notebook and pencil and I have had teachers come up and say,
“Bo, could we use some of those questions on our exams?”
And I say, “What are you teaching? “Because you know the
first question I ask? This is where I broke the Supreme
Courts edict, the latest edict. I said to the students,
“Where do we get our rights from?” And what did they say to
me? They don’t know and I tell them, “This is not a
rhetorical question! I want answers! ” Then I start right
down to the front row and I start writing them and they give
me 15, 16 choices. None of them are right. Finally, I go
to the Declaration of Independence and I say to someone I
believe might be able to read it’s not easy to find them in
high school, not even in Senior’s Government and I
say…”Would you kindly read that right there?” And the
student says, “The Creator?” It’s always a question. Then
I said, “Who is the Creator?! ” And about five stout hearts
said, “God?” That is in absolute violation of the Supreme
Court! The Supreme Court has just ruled you cannot say the
name of God in any of our schools! How are we going to
teach Government? How are we ever going to explain where
our rights come from if we’re not allowed to use the word
and the name of God?

Well I’ll tell you what, I don’t know about you, but if I
have to stand alone, I’m going to be in good hands and I’ve
read The Book and I’m not talking about my book either.
I’ve read The Book and I know who wins in the end. You know
what makes The Book exciting? It doesn’t tell us exactly
how we win. It just assures us that we do, and so I’m
excited because I’m a soldier. I can smell the battle and
it smells good to me because it means that we are just one
major step from having perfect government, and I am so
pleased to be on this earth at this time and not born in the
“Dark Ages” when nothing much other than a good inquisition
or two was going on.

———-Cont in Bo Gritz speech part 3———————————-

Don

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From: [email protected] (Don Allen)
Subject: FILE: Bo Gritz speech – 3/4 (LONG)
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:28:50 GMT
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———-Bo Gritz speech part 3—————————————–

So I invite you: is there a better cause than the liberty of
America today? If there is, let me know. I want to join
you, but if there isn’t a better cause then I invite you to
join us, the United States, as we prepare for a second
American Revolution. A Revolution which we cannot afford to
lose; a Revolution that we’ll win even though it may not be
under the Stars and Stripes. We’ll win it as brothers and
sisters. That, I’ll always give you as my promise. I am
your brother and when I sign my books I sign them “forever
your brother” and I mean it.

We come from a great family and we’re going home. They can
never take that home away from us and it’s for me to do all
the things that I have to do to endure until that time
comes. So I invite you.

Take heart, feel excited and if you’re in California, get
your 72-hour pack put together. If you’re interested in a
lot of very, I think, amazing things well, I only brought 10
copies of A Nation Betrayed tapes if you’re interested in
how to we’ve got some video cameras, with those you can take
the presentation if there’s anything there. We have a
short it’s about a 30 minute presentation. If you want the
book Called To Serve. It’s too long. It’s 845 pages. I
put 165 pages worth of pictures in there just for the
Marines so they would have something to look at if they were
having trouble reading the text. (Roar of laughter) In the
back I’ve got a few blank pages for the Navy and we’ll give
you a free crayola so that you can draw there in the back a
little bit. (More laughter) Otherwise, if you want to know
in detail why I’m willing to get into the arena and wrestle
with the hogs, read Called To Serve. When you get to the
end of it you’ll see my point.

You, too, are called to serve. We didn’t win a raffle to be
here today. Every one of us has that “something” we can do.
We can’t do everything. What we can’t do for ourselves,
that’s where the glory of Almighty God comes in. So I’ll
leave you with that and we’re out of debt; we’re out of time
here. I’d like to stay here and talk to you as long as
you’re willing. You do live in a beautiful valley. Let me
tell youlast thing I’ll say. As a guerrilla fighter I know
this, the mountains are the palm of God’s hand. That is the
truth. As long as you reside within the mountains, you
will, I believe, be in a much safer place than you could be
otherwise. And so you’re going to find me in the mountains.

As a matter of fact, I think that’s probably where we ought
to move the White House. We don’t have to move the
Congress. We don’t even need the White House. I think
we’ll just move the seat of government. It might be a lot
easier, but get your plumber’s pals ready. I need you
volunteers. If you can balance a checkbook, if you’re a
grandparent, doesn’t mean that you don’t have a job if
you’re a young lawyer, but in all truth, one
word TOGETHER that’s the way that we preserve this nation
for the ones who are with us that are smaller than we are.
God bless each one of you. Don’t forget to pray for our
prisoners of war.

(LONG ROAR OF APPLAUSE)

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

Bo Asked Lady In Audience: Do you ride a Harley Davidson,
or are you just wearing that head band?
You see, my wife got me a belt buckle. It was a Harley
Davidson. I said, “I can’t wear this belt buckle.
Somebody’s going to ask me if I actually got the
motorcycle.” I was in Bangladesh and I called to check and
my wife said, “If you could have just one thing in the whole
world, what would it be?” I think she thought I was going
to say, “Just to come home to you, my darling.” And while I
was actually thinking that, you see, my warped sense of
humor said, “You mean other than a Harley?” So when I got
home she had a Harley Davidson. So we actually got the
motor bike. Now I can actually wear the belt buckle. I’m
here to answer questions now so….You’re first in line.
Let’s go right down the line.

Question: What about the Federal Reserve and what has our
government put up as collateral?

Bo: The government hasn’t directly put up collateral, but,
indirectly, if you’ll notice somethingthe Declaration of
Interdependence that was signed says that they’re calling
for an establishment of a New World Order and it says,
“America’s resources are global resources.” Alaska, today,
is owned 90% by the government and Nevada is owned 80% by
the government. Washington, Oregon, I mean all states
mostly are. And it isn’t something that is just static. It
is more and more every year there is less and less State
land. So, what has actually been ransomed is this: once the
American people are hoodwinked into thinking that the U.N.
Charter is the supreme law, once they have taken our
Constitution away from us, the next thing is, they say,
“Well, you see, we are so deeply in debt that like other
nations, Brazil for example, our resources now become global
resources.” And the States cannot object, because the
States do not own the lands.

Most of the land that is worth anything is owned by Uncle
Sam. So, as the President, I am going to turn back all of
the lands, minus those under The Constitution that were
authorized for military bases for the common defense, but,
all other lands immediately go back to the States. The
States will look after the Snail Darter, the Desert Tortoise
and the Spotted Owl much better than the politicians in
Washington, DC will, and so, that will be the first act that
I’m going to do rip up the Executive Orders that make the
President a tyrant. Can I do that? Yes, because the
President has signed them all, and so, a President can just
rip them up. Ronald Reagan tore up the Executive Order from
Kennedy (when he started printing United States Notes), and
so, if Ronald Reagan can do that then I’m very well
qualified to take that piece of paper and tear up all those
Executive Orders that say that all of you are going to be
under government control, under Executive Order 11000,
during a National Emergency, that the Postmaster General is
empowered to register all of you. I think that’s where your
little mark comes in, and on and on and on and on.
I think you’re going to get a chance in California to see
FEMA up close and if you don’t like it, then by November,
friends, you’d better be prepared to change government so
that we can go back under The Constitution.

Question: What was that about Oregon?

Bo: Well, Oregon is owned about… You see, they have the
Douglas Fir up there wonderful commodity, wood. Oh boy, the
foreign countries are going to love to get that when the
global resources crooks come to collect on Oregon.

Question: What about women’s right to abortion?

Bo: Here’s what I’m going to do it’s not how I feel because
as an individual it doesn’t make much difference and as a
president, it shouldn’t even though, of course, it does
more. Here’s how I feel, here’s what I’m going to do, I’m
going to propose an Amendment to The Constitution that is
called a Human Right To Life Amendment.

Now, here’s why I’m doing it. I am sick up to here seeing
the media tell us what our beliefs are. I’m sicker up to
here with the Supreme Court making Law. That’s not what the
Supreme Court is there for, and so, under the Constitution,
if three-fourths of the States because that’s the only way
we’ll ever know what the American people feel like. Put it
in the hands of the States if three-fourths of the States
ratify a Human Right To Life Amendment, the question is
over. All of a sudden, the special interest groups can pack
up and go back home, the media can do all of the squawking
they want to, but, America should determine not a President
and not any one little clique what our morality base is.

Personally, I am against abortions of convenience. And, as
a President, I will veto any kind of money that comes from
Congress that would promote public abortions, and, if
Congress wants to go around me, they can, but, that’s my
personality.

I will not appoint anyone who has ever been a part of the
Council on Foreign Relations or Trilateral Commission that’s
16,000 people that won’t be working, probably, because most
of them that are there now are members of those
organizations. I will not appoint anyone who does not
believe in God. You see, I don’t want people serving in the
government, now this reflects my personality and as a
President that is what I would do, I don’t want anyone
serving the people in the government who doesn’t have to
look for accountability to a Higher Source. I have this
little nagging concern that people who have no greater power
than themselves might feel like hey, if it feels good, I’m
going to do itwhich means, I’ll get rich now off the people
and I don’t have to account to anybody later because there
is no God.

I won’t appoint any homosexuals to the 16,000 positions that
I control or that I know of because I do not support,
personally this lifestyle. It is my own personality, this
is how it comes outinto those 16,000 positions. I don’t
believe homosexuality is consistent with the Laws of God.
But, when it comes to abortion, this should be something
determined by the people and I’m not going to let you get
out of it and the way that I’m going to make you do that is
to put an Amendment to The Constitution before you, and
then, you will decide. Overall, I believe that God graces
or condemns nations today according to how moral their laws
are.

Friends, right now, the Supreme Court has said, “You cannot
teach Creationism in the schools. You cannot have the Ten
Commandments, you cannot read the Bible, you cannot say the
word ‘God’.” That’s all the Supreme Court making law. It’s
not easy for God to judge this nation when the Supreme Court
is the problem. And so, I’m going to take that as a
President, I can do it I’m going to take it out of the hands
of the Supreme Court. We’re going to put it in the hands of
the American people. If you decide that you want to support
abortion of convenience, to support alternative lifestyles,
to support drugs and whatever else, you’ll deserve the
condemnation that comes down on you.

According to our 1990 census, 92% of the people believe in
God. I believe we are a righteous nation. I think that if
the people were allowed to determine the laws that we would
have Grace in this challenging period. Friends, if we don’t
have it, there’s very little chance that we’ll be able to
stand.

Question: Do you know about the book Holy Blood, Holy Grail
and are you a Mason?

Bo: The name is so familiar. It’s in paperback. I’ve seen
it and I have looked through it. Firstly, the
recommendation is: it’s well documented and read it.
Secondly, Am I a Mason? I wish that I was a 33rd degree
Mason. If I was, I would know all there was to know about
Masonry, but, I am not. I’m not even a 1st degree Mason. I
have read a lot about Masonry. As I told you, when I
started this presentation, the truth to me is very, very
important and there are just so many things you can do in
one lifetime. Besides being a paratrooper and a frogman and
a ranger and a Special Forces soldier and a pilot and
speaking Chinese and Swahili and being in all parts of the
globe, I never had time to be a Mason. Ultimately, here’s
what I have found out, and see, you never know because I’m
not one. If I was one I would share with you the truth.
As a Mason, I would want to know the truth. I know a lot of
32nd degree Masons. I don’t know any 33rds. The 32nds I
know seem to be God-fearing Patriots. A lot of them are
Sergeant Majors… My national campaign manager, Charlie
Brown, an old Navy chief, has got not one drop of political
blood in his veins, he’s a 32nd degree Mason.

Here’s what I fear from what I’ve studied. I fear that in
Europe there are many higher degrees than 33rd. What I feel
in Europe is a Godless organization that is Luciferian
based, and, I fear the worst of it could come back down
through the channels from Europe into America that said,
“Look, this New World Order is where it’s at. This is what
we’re for.” I don’t think many of the 32nd degree Masons
that I know would buy it. I think most of them would say,
“No, we’re not going along with it. You can take your
Masonry and your worshipful masters and you can go back into
the lodge because we’re going to keep faith with the United
States and with God.” But, I believe that Masonry may have,
at the center of its web, a pure evil. That’s my own
personal conclusion. It doesn’t mean that it’s true. I
don’t know because I am not one of them.

Question: Do you know what the sign language is for a
politician?

Bo: Oh, thank you. Yes, this is something in any
politician… Politician in sign language is [Bo
demonstrates] Crazy thinking person! I don’t want to be a
politician. I am not a politician but, you know, we have
had some miracles. Here’s what happened, for example:
before last week, we had about 2,500 signatures in the great
state of Illinois. We needed 25,000. So, we said, “Well,
it doesn’t look like we’re going to make it in the great
state of Illinois.” We’ve got ZERO media. We are finding a
lot of opposition wherever we go. A black minister, by the
name of Henry Mitchell, suddenly came out of the woodwork.
Last week, we turned in 57,000 signatures in the state of
Illinois! Henry Mitchell is a Baptist, I believe,
Evangelist; so, he headed out for Ohio. We qualified in the
state of Ohio thanks to Henry Mitchell!

I was trying to catch up with him. I called him last night,
he had already left Kentucky. I am sure we had qualified in
Kentucky when he left. Henry Mitchell is like a fire
brand wherever he goes, he leaves a trail of hot behind him.
People really get heated up.

In Alaska, we were just up there, and we turned in more
ballots or more petitions than were required. We are on the
ballot now in about 21 states or more. We’re going to be on
the ballot in enough states to win this election, and so,
anytime somebody says, “Well, you just can’t do it….” you
see, just remember that’s the same thing that they told the
heavy bumble bee about not being able to fly and George
Washington about his odds, and I’m sure they looked at
biblical David and said, “Don’t go, David. You can’t do it.
Don’t go. That’s Goliath up there.”

You see, I don’t have a choice. I’ve been called to serve.
It’s not the title of my book. It’s the purpose of my life.
People say, “Well, Bo, do you wear a bullet proof vest?”
No. Then they say, “Aren’t you afraid for your life?” No.
I have a home. I have a family. You see, when they took my
2,500 brothers away from me (as POWs) and they started
executing them and killing them, they didn’t know that they
were putting them on the other side of the veil where they
could probably help us even more now than they could buried
in cages back there in Southeast Asia.

I’ve got a whole family. I’ve got a Family of Patriots that
goes all the way back to George Washington. They’re helping
us out, but, we’ve got to do for ourself all that we can.
Then when we can’t do anymore, that’s when God parts the
veil. That’s when Elisha says, “Look on yonder hill at the
Angels in chariots of fire.” That’s when things happen that
we don’t know how to explain. I don’t even know how
television works. How do I explain an Angel in a chariot of
fire. But, are they there?

I tell you, you read my book. There are places all through
here where I’ve mentioned God’s name because one time a man
tried to shoot me in the back out of a spider hole in
Vietnam twice a sub-machine gun failed to fire. After I
went back and secured it, it fired perfectly well on the
next round. I sent one bullet to my Mom, I sent one bullet
to my Grandma, and both of the primers were well dented. No
reason at all why that should not have fired. My whole life
I’ve been in times of extreme need, in times of great peril,
I have knelt down and you see, real soldiers aren’t supposed
to ever pray, but I have never seen a real soldier as a
atheist. The people with me in the [battle] arenathey get
down and we pray. We hold our hands and we invoke the name
of God.

I know it sounds dumb, but, my wife would testify, we were
coming back from Phoenix on instruments in a storm and I’ve
got a thing called a “strike finder”, it shows you where all
the lightning is and there was a great field of lightning
right in front of us. We were over the mountains, coming
back from Kingman; I couldn’t go down any lower, I couldn’t
really divert. My wife says, “What are you going to do?” I
said, “I guess we’re just going to go straight ahead.” You
ask her about this because when it was over, she labeled it
properly. As we continued ahead, the strike finder starts
at 200 miles then goes down to 25 miles, there was a huge
wedge of lightning straight off our nose. When we got to
the 25 mile point, the strikes were still there, but that
lightning moved to my right wing and as we passed through,
that lightning passed and as we passed through, the
lightningI swear to God above to youthose strikes moved
right back around behind the aircraft. This was a huge
field of lightning and my wife is a little uneasy up here.

I got a distinguished flying cross and 26 air medals for
valor, but my wife is still a little uneasy. She said, “Do
you know what that was?” I said, “What?” She said, “That
was the prayers that people offer to keep us in God’s hand.
That’s what that was.” It sure wasn’t anything to do with
my flying because I just kept the plane on auto-pilot
straight ahead and I don’t like lightning and you wouldn’t
either if you were up there with me. My wife puts a pillow
in front of her face. I don’t know what she thinks that it
will do, but I guess it takes some of the glare!
We’ve had it where the lightning was so intense it would
light up the propeller. Oh, it’s pretty scary. You know,
it’s all kinds of green… She doesn’t like that. I don’t
either!

Question: I’m just one guy and I really like what you’re
saying, but, other people don’t know about you or what you
stand for. What’s the best thing that I can do to get the
message out?

Bo: Thank you. How do we get the message out? I think the
way to get it out continue to lean on radio and TV talk
shows like Larry King Live. If you call in, for example,
that’s how old Perot got started free of charge. If you
call in and say, “Hi, I want to tell your guest what a
wonderful person he is.” and then when you get on there say,
“By the way, how come you don’t have Bo Gritz on because
he’s in more ballots than H. Ross Perot and he’s got a plan
to get America out of debt and to win this war on AIDS and
how come you don’t have him on?” That will happen about 3
or 4 times and then the next thing you know, they’ll start
opening up the lines. They’ll try to vilify us. They’ll
try to make us out to look ridiculous, but again, I go back
to the Scriptures because it says, “Have no fear when you’re
called before those Scribes and Pharisees, for the words
will be given to you.”

Well, our message is TRUTH. You see, that’s why it’s so
strong! We can honestly get out of debt with a single pot
metal coin. Now, do you think that the people who own the
media, the banks, want the word put out to America? They
don’t! So, that’s why they don’t want us on there. Again,
it’s like ABC, CBS… If we just keep hitting on them and
if you’ll do it where they have Talk Shows, either
television or radio, just call in you may have to tell a
little white lie to get on the air and then lay it on them.
Say, “I want to hear this fellow. We need 200 million
Americans to hear this message. This is important.”
We were scheduled at BYU and they had National Security
Advisor Brent Scowcroft they should have kicked him in the
britches instead of giving him a Ph.D. Scowcroft went up
there and told them that The New World Order was going to
happen. The Declaration of Interdependence was a U.N.
mandate. We weren’t going to get a chance to vote on it.
Then they had Bush come in there and, of course, I was due
in there on the 28th. They cancelled us out. It makes no
difference.

September and October, these are our national media target
months. That’s when the race will be won September,
October. If we’d have had all the media back in July and
August then they may have tailed us off September and
October. If what we’re meant to do is right and right
enough, it’ll come to us.

In Command General Staff College, I was the Honor Graduate,
(I shouldn’t have been), I was a Special Forces Officer.
The reason I was is because on the first day, just listening
to the enormity, the first announcement they made, “We have
358 Ph.Ds.” The whole auditorium erupted into clapping.
They said, “We have 6 hundred and some odd Masters.” Then,
they said, “We have three who have not completed their
University requirements.” Now, I was one and I knew another
guy, but we never did find the 3rd person. We were 3 out of
1,600 and so the first day in class I said, “Boy, I don’t
stand much of a chance here.” So, I drew a little profile
of a fat man and he was trying to blow a bugle. He was
trying so hard that he broke wind and underneath it I said,
“You can try too hard.” You know, I just set in my mind. I
said, “I won’t even graduate. These are the best and the
brightest.” And do you know, I was the Honor graduate just
because you put your mind in that groove and you just don’t
try too hard. If what you’re doing is right enough, it’ll
come to you. You’ve got to be willing to suit up, but if
you try too hard you run into this law of reverse effect:
The harder you try, the further away you get.

Question: Are you on the ballot in California?

Bo: We’re not on the ballot that I know of right now. Don
Held is our California representative and I don’t see Don
here, but he would be able to give you an exact update.
We’ve got tremendous support. People have been working
really hard. California requires an exorbitant number of
signatures. I don’t know where we stand right now in
California. I’ll find out from Don Held, but the America
Independent Party of California has its convention the 29th
of August. [Editor’s note: According to Sandra Shea at
Bo’s National Campaign Headquarters, the American
Independent Party is on the ballot in California. The State
is just waiting for the A.I. Party to name their candidate
on August 29th. The A.I. Party decision right now is
between Howard Phillips of the Taxpayer’s Party and Bo
Gritz. Hopefully Bo will succeed in California via this
route.] There’s no reason why we should not be their
candidate. I’m the only candidate that has a chance to win
this election. We’re already on just about enough ballots
to do so. Ohio and Illinois were great States for us,
friends. They’re big and they’re populous, they’re not as
big as California, California is the biggest, but if you
have any influence I forget the guy who runs the American
Independent Party Bill Shearer Thank you, Lord, it just
cameBill Shearer runs the American Independent Party. Now,
Mertin Short, a Navy pilot out of Oakland, is the chairman,
but that doesn’t mean anything. Bill Shearer runs the
Party. If you have any influence with the American
Independent Party, we should be there, we should have a
chance to speak and they should, by a democratic process, if
they voted I think I will be their candidate. Wouldn’t you
join the American Independent Party if we could get on the
ballot here in California? You bet you would. Bill Shearer
needs to know that, because, failing that, I don’t know
where we stand with signatures. But, that is the best way.

Question: How can we reach Bill Shearer?

Bo: American Independent Party Mertin Short he’s out of
Oakland, California. You certainly could call Mertin. If
you want, I’ll find out the number and give it to E.J. You
can get hold of E.J. Ekker and he’ll have the number for
Bill Shearer. But in all honesty, that is the very best way
and it’s simpleall the delegates have got to do is say,
“Yes, we want Bo.” and you’re on the ballot because the
American Independent Party is ballot qualified. They ought
to put me on because I voted for Wallace in 1968. That made
me an American Independent, and so, when I moved here to
California, I was listed as an American Independent when I
came back from Vietnam.

Question: I’m concerned about Bush using those instruments
of destruction that you mentioned before the breakto cause
a so-called “natural phenomenon”, some kind of catastrophic
event where we’ll have FEMA (Federal Emergency Management
Agency) control and maybe not an election.

Bo: I hate to say it because as a Special Forces soldier, I
always watch being paranoid. You see, it doesn’t mean that
there aren’t people following you around just because you’re
paranoid. Maybe you can be paranoid, but there are still
people who are really there. You’ve got to be real about
this thing. What is real is this George Bush is not acting
right. I think George Bush has got a health problem. I
think it’s in his thyroid. Bush became very irritated when
he yelled at the Prisoner of War families, “You shut up and
sit down.” That right there should have been a signal, a
shot around the world. What he should have been saying was,
“You always stand up and you sound off when you don’t think
things are right.” That’s what a president should say to
the people. But when he said what he did, it was just
another indication that Bush is on the ragged edge.

Again, I’m not a prophet, but my Spirit tells me that there
will be a catastrophic event in California and it will be
before the election and I don’t know when, but I would
guess you see, I’m a strategist so I don’t look at it from a
lot of other angles. I look at it from a strategy way. If
I were the Action Officer to set this thing up, I would set
it up so that probably somewhere around mid or last of
September or first of October that something would happen.
See that gives enough transition period to where the
election has to be put off because it will be fairly major.
I don’t think they care about the loss of lives. I really
don’t. As a matter of fact, Global 2000 has already pretty
much established that. I think that could certainly happen
and, again, I sound like a nut when I say it, but I’m trying
to be real. I think it’s true and it will most likely be in
the form of earthquakes.

If you use these weapons and let’s look at Mt. Hood, Mt.
Shasta, Ft. Lewis at Mt. Rainier, let’s look in Alaska. You
see, they’re already fairly critical masses at work there.
When you add the things that we’ve given the Russians, a
Treaty that says, “We won’t…” Well, now that there isn’t
any more Soviet Union, those Treaties aren’t really binding.
They wouldn’t make a difference anyway. All of a sudden, we
(I think) can use the consummate energies. When you put
both the Soviets and the Americans together with our
gemstone technology, you can cause quite a “burp” in Mother
Nature. You don’t have to do too much around the San
Andreas Fault to make it go.

Question: What is FEMA?

Bo: FEMA is the Federal Emergency Management Agency or Act.
It is the thing that makes the President a dictator. He
doesn’t have to have Congress declare it. When Gingrich and
Gramm tried to declare a National Emergency last year, the
President doesn’t really need it, but if he does declare it
without Congress then he’s walking on thin ice. We’ve just
about dug in against Bush. Going back into Iraq is not
going to win him the Flag this time, I don’t think.

Question: What kind of emergency is needed for FEMA to step
in?

Bo: Emergency is never defined. He literally could declare
an Emergency it could be on crime, it could be on drugs.
Yes, it’s a very important document and I have just a copy
that comes in your Document Packet of all the Executive
Orders, but if he has the actual fleshed out copies, it
might be worth trying to find out how they can get them from
you. That’s important.

Question: What about the People’s Revolution?

Bo: We better well be on our way toward a 2nd American
Revolution.

There was a really cute couple when I was in Alaska. They
were about in their early 30’s, a man and his wife and they
had 2 children. They’re both working for the FBI on the
Counter-terrorist Division. They came up to me after my
talk and said, “Bo, we are with you 100%. We’re told to
keep you under surveillance to see if we couldn’t catch you
in something that could be used as seditious or treasonous
because you’re talking against THE GOVERNMENT.” THE
GOVERNMENT, you betcha. They said, “But after listening to
you, we’ve got two children of our own. We want those
children to grow up free in a land of Liberty. We don’t
want this New World Order.”

The little people that are working for the government,
they’re with us all the way. It’s only the major Players.
It’s the Kissingers. It doesn’t take much to jam and block
government, does it? That’s why we need Roto-rooter to just
rout them out. That’s why all the CFR, all the Trilateral,
you know, they just go. They’re human sewage and we just
rout them out. When that happens, all of a sudden, we turn
the money tables over, we start playing by our rules, but
our rules are the Constitution. So, what can the Federal
Prosecutors say?

Does anybody remember a guy named Col. Gale? Col. Gale was
in California. He had something called The Committee of
States. They even wrote a book about it. They convicted
him in Las Vegas. His Committee of States was trying to
form a Militia under the Articles of Confederation. Well,
they got him. You see, it’s simple. I took my oath, My
oath is good enough. It’s called The Constitution. How are
they ever going to ever prosecute me? I’ve already seen
what a fully informed jury can do. They tried to prosecute
me. On the films, there’s the U.S. Attorney… Who has
seen those films where the U.S. Attorney says, “George Bush
called me up and told me to get Bo Gritz.”? Would you ever
believe that ever happened? I mean, you wouldn’t believe
it. That guy is appointed by the President. Tell me The
Holy Ghost is not alive because the Holy Ghost came upon
that man and without knowing it he said the truth. When the
media said, “What happened?” He said, “George Bush called
me up and told me to get Bo Gritz.” and the newspapers said,
“You’re denying that. Is that what you’re saying?” They
couldn’t believe it and he said, “No, what I’m saying is
George Bush called me up and told me to get Bo Gritz.” God
be praised.

Question: How can I get your information packet?

Bo: I guess to get the packets of information, you can just
call me. You can call me if you’re interested in the phone
number it’s this is my home and when I’m not there, we have
volunteers that are there at the phone, they send it right
out to you ,702, that’s Nevada, 723-5266. That’s my number.
There’s a fax number I love because you people find all
kinds of interesting stuff and you fax it to me. It’s the
only way I stay up to speed on this. The fax number is
702 and sometimes when the phone’s busy, you can send a fax
and say…”Hey, get off the phone. I need to talk to
you…” 702-723-5357 is the fax number.

Now, have I heard of Rush Limbaugh? Everybody’s heard of
Rush Limbaugh. With one half of his brain tied behind him
he takes on the defenseless people who would call and
venture any kind of query or question. Rush doesn’t have
any talent on his show, obviously. I think in the end, this
is just me thinking and remember that I’ve got a funny sense
of humor in the end I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to find
that Rush Limbaugh was probably a closet pinko Commie, maybe
even worse. I think maybe Rush has put on this face of
supreme conservatism as a gig for his radio show. I don’t
have that much faith in people in New York, very frankly,
New York City. Being that this real conservative, that
he but here the head of the radio station maybe would be
able to tell us more truth: do you think Rush Limbaugh just
came out of the woodwork as this tremendously powerful
conservative?

Someone In Audience: I understand he was financed by the
Trilateralists.

Bo: He’s financed by one of the Trilateralists, I wouldn’t
be a bit surprised and then your third question was NRA.
The NRA is not going to support Bo Gritz because right now
they think, “Well Bo, he just can’t do it.” You see, once
September and October rolls around, isn’t it easy to be a
Patriot once the flag is already up? But I’m sure that you
have a lot of people coming around saying, “Hey George! Good
job! P.J., you guys really kicked butt out there! Great!
Now we are a nation? You mean we’re no longer beholden to
King George? Hey, I’m glad come on down. Remember where we
used to be with the Tories that drank ale? Well, you guys
are invited. The drinks are on us down there…” It’s real
easy to be a patriot once the battles are fought. The
little red hen is at work here, I have a feeling.

When we do it, because we how many people vote? How many
normally? It’s not very many is it? So do we need more
than 3% of the voters that are really dedicated and for
example, where we’ve missed. We missed in Colorado. We
didn’t get enough signatures, but we’re write-in in
Colorado.

So we’re going to have all the volunteers with pencils and
on the day of the election, they’ll be at the polling places
and they’ll give a pencil to the voter that says “Write in
B-O G-R-I-T-Z.” Abraham Lincoln won the presidency on a
write-in.

People say, “Bo, don’t you know that you can’t win because
of the electronic interference?…” In Cincinnati in 1988,
my own testimony, I was there as a speaker. I was in a
motel room. They didn’t have CNN as I remember, but I
turned on the news and here was a Federal Judge examining
two AT&T employees. They had been ordered by their
superiors to set-up a line tap on the line used to tabulate
the election results. Their testimony was that anyonethey
just set-up the line tap and then they were told to
leave anyone could have come in and with a computer, hooked
into the line and affected, according to their testimony to
the Judge, affected the results. Now, I thought…”Gosh!
This is going to blow up all over America! …” Can you
imagine what that would have done to the American voters’
confidence? Knowing that AT&T, Ma Bell, was sitting there
adding zeros or taking zeros away, according to her favorite
candidate? Well, I never saw it, but that was on the
Cincinnati news. It was in Cincinnati, but I didn’t see it
any place else.

Here’s what will happen. I’m going to tell you how I am.
If they do that, if they finally get worried and say, “Put
Ma Bell in there. Make sure our boy wins.” When you watch
that video and you see the U.S. Attorney make his statement,
why would it be any less that an operator would sit down and
say, “Well, let’s see. They want me to what? Add or
subtract? Maybe I’m supposed to subtract zeros from these
guys.” You leave that in the hands of the Lord. You see,
in all honesty we do all we can. We act absolutely
courageous. What have we got to be fearful for? Friends,
what happens to us if they take us out? We just go on the
other side. My grandma’s over there and she is a tigress
and if she has anything to do with these Angels and chariots
of fire, we don’t have anything to worry about because there
will be things I’m trying to give you the things I’ve
learned in my life. Be fearless. It’s a paradox. I used
to teach all my soldiers: If you want to live, walk the
road to death. It’s a paradox, but it works. You clear
your mind and you do what you have to do and you let the
Lord determine whether or not you’re going to make it
through. Then get ready to meet the Angels because I see
them all the time. If you will commit your life to what is
right with no thought of yourself, you will meet the Angels
along the way that are there as road guards to make sure you
zig or you zag or make sure the traffic gets stopped at the
right time when you’re coming through. It’s pretty
exciting. Yes sir.

Question: What was that, again, about not needing the
Income Tax to run the government?

Bo: The Fed. Let’s just take the statistics. Now the best
statistics are thethe latest ones we have are in a volume.
It’s a white book, it has blue lettering. It’s called The
1991 Statistical Abstract for the United States. It’s in
the library, I get it in the bookstore. I had to take a
course in statistics in getting my Masters one time. It’s
about this thick and it’s just rich with all kinds of stuff.
It tells you how many Christians we have, how many people
believe in God, and all of these other things. It says in
there that in 1991, the last time they got statistics, that
$400 billion was the amount collected in personal income
tax. Now what is the interest to the Federal Reserve? It’s
coming up to $400 billion. All of the rest of the money
comes from Constitutional means tariffs, duties, imposts,
excise. You see, those are all legal ways to raise revenue.
The Communist Manifesto’s second plank calls for income tax.
We didn’t have it before 1913. We paid for government quite
well. For over 120 years we paid for government, didn’t we?
Never had it. The only time that we ever had to have income
tax was when we had the private banks doing all that I told
you about. Then we had to have some way of paying them and
so that’s where income tax comes in, but we don’t need it.
So we get rid of the Federal Reserve, we don’t need income
tax. Yes sir.

——Cont in Bo Gritz speech part 4————————————

Don

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———-Bo Gritz speech part 4—————————————–

Question: What about a ticket of Howard Phillips and Bo
Gritz?

Bo: Yes. Thank you. Howard Phillips and Bo Gritz. Howard
Phillips called Jerry Gillespie, my national campaign
coordinator. He said, “Bo, I’d like to meet you in
Washington, D.C.” This was just this last week. I met with
Howard Phillips. Howard Phillips and I sat down at the
University Club where he is a member and he said, “Bo, we
need to see if we can come to terms.” I said, “I agree with
you, Howard.” Because his planks and my planks to the
platform are just about the same. He doesn’t see the
urgency that I do. Howard has said publicly, “I don’t think
I can win the election. I don’t intend to win, but I’m
building a party for the year 2000.” By the year 2000 he
wants to have a viable political party called the U.S.
Taxpayer Party. It’s a terrible name. They ought to name
it Constitution Party or something, but we shouldn’t be
paying taxes, not the income taxes. Anyway, it’s
interesting because Howard and I went through he asked
me,”Are you a Mason?” I said, “No. Do you belong to the
Knights of Malta?” He said, “No.” And I said, “Well, all
right. Tit for tat. What else have you got?” So we went
through all this. You know what happened?

We got down to the bottom and I said, “Howard, I believe
you’re a righteous man. Do you believe in God?” He said,
“Yes.” I said, “Do you believe in Divine Intervention?” He
said, “Yes.” I said, “Howard, I love my country more than I
love myself. I love my country more than I love any other
thing other than God Almighty.” And I said, “Howard, I
believe in God and I believe that God’s hand will be with
us. Here is a solid gold coin. I’m gonna flip it and you
call it. If you win, I give you 100% of every thing that I
have in support and I think the people that support me will
follow that. If I win, you do the same thing. Are you
ready?” He said, “No. I don’t think I would want to do
that.” And I said, “Well, I’ll tell you what. Separately
we are fighting a very difficult uphill battle. Together I
think that we have more than we need to win this election,
but it’s simple. One of us is going to have to be the
President and the other the Vice President and I’m willing
to put it in the hands of God. Call it! ” And he said, “No,
I won’t.” So I believe Howard Phillips is a politician and
I am a Patriot. I think there’s a major difference and I
was heavily disappointed with Mr. Phillips because all he’s
trying to do is still stroke this thing for whatever
political mileage he can get. I was very disappointed. I
was willing to do it. It was just this week. You can call
him and ask him about it.

I said to Howard, “Do you remember the Biblical story where
two mothers had been fighting over ownership of a child? He
said, “Yes,” and I said, “Do you remember that Solomon’s
decision was to cut the child in half?” I said, “Because
Solomon knew that the true mother wouldn’t let that happen.”
I said, “Well, I got this coin right here.” I said, “Are
you ready because I don’t want the child cut in half and
I’ll go one way, or I’ll go the other.” I think that’s all
I would want.

I’ve got a blessing. The blessing says, “Bo, you have been
given gifts from God that allow you to know the events of
the times and to be able to speak them in words that people
can understand. You will have large groups of people who
will listen and depend upon you for those truths.” And it
says, “They will have no allegiance to you. They will have
allegiance to what it is that you are directing them
toward.” Now, that is the Constitution. I was more than
willing to put the faith in Higher Source. Now, I wouldn’t
use a coin to decide, say, “Should we go into Iraq or not?”
No, I’m not that kind of President. We’re not going into
Iraq. Period! I know the answer to that one!
But for this, Howard Phillips or Bo Gritz to be the team
leader, I would trust it to Divine Intervention to a coin
flip.

Question: What about Nicaragua and the new Canal?

Bo: It’s not going, obviously, to come up until after the
elections. But, just after the election, you’ve got to
understand how critical it is. The whole Iran/Contra, they
were still seeing these jerks from Claire George and even
Nixon, you see. Who they should be investigatingGeorge
Bush, of course, and his proteges the gentleman who is now
the Ambassador to Korea, he is the man who ran the program
of Iran/Contra out of the Vice President’s office. These
are the people who should be investigated, but you notice
that the Attorney General has said, “There’s nothing dirty
going on at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. I’m appointed by the
President. I’ve checked in on it myself. Everything is A-1
over there.”

After the election, you will see a new Canal. The Canal has
to be dug because the Panama Canal cannot accept any
supertanker and the idea is for the Pacific Rim to be able
to come through and be serviced. The Japanese need the iron
ore in the Amazon Basin. They need access to our East Coast
and so that will happen. The most interesting thing about
it isit will be created by atomic demolitions. That is
something Mother Nature may have something to say about, and
so, I’m not even going to hazard a guess at what’s going to
happen because as Commander of Special Forces in Latin
America, I had all the statistics and so I know that if I go
back and check my notes exactly the megatonage that is to be
used. You don’t fire it (250 megatons) one at a time. You
fire it all at once so that you get the synergism. Now,
that’s going to be something to behold. I just hope that
I’m up in the air quite a distance so I won’t be down on the
ground when everything starts to move around because that is
part of the Ring of Fire, right there. A blast there would
initiate earthquakes of tremendous magnitude.

My teams have gone down to Managua and we’ve gone in any
number of times to help with emergencies after earthquakes
in Nicaragua and that area, and so get ready. I’m not sure
that it’ll be as great as the one coming up in California,
but it will probably be a close 2nd. Of course, you won’t
have a 250 megaton explosion popping off here! I think
you’ll just have whatever it is that they shoot from places
we can’t see.

Question: Who is your choice for Vice President?

Bo: My Vice President is Cy Minett, harder than woodpecker
lips, 63 years old, fighter pilot, a lot better looking than
I am. Cy is a Constitutionalist. Cy is also a Christian
and if something does happen to me, Cy Minett he’s an expert
on the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission,
etc. He puts out the “wiring diagram”.

Question: How can my son (in Provo, Utah) find out the
proof of the money issue and the Federal Reserve?

Bo: Well, this is interesting for people. I was just in
Denver and they’ve got a mint and they have a Federal
Reserve there. Here’s where it can be located: First of all
is Article 1, Section 8 of The Constitution. I hope that my
memory serves me correct. It says, “Only the Federal
Government can coin money and regulate the value thereof.”
The Federal Reserve is not anything federal, in the sense of
the Federal Government.

Now, how you find out that write or call any Federal
Reserve. Denver is close to him. San Francisco has another
one. And ask them, say, “Hello, I’m at Provo and I’m a
college student and I’m trying to study about the Federal
Reserve.” Don’t tell them all the nasty things. Say, “I’m
trying to study about economics on the Federal Reserve.
Would you please send me… Don’t you have an info.
document. It’s called I’ll Bet You Didn’t Know from The
Federal Reserve.” They’ll say, “Sure.” They’ll fire it
right out to you. The very first point of I’ll Bet You
Didn’t Know, their info. document, says, “The Federal
Reserve is not federal. It is a private consortium of
banks.”

The second one is Article 1, Section 10. It says that only
gold and silver can be made legal tender within the United
States.

By the way, if you have any extra money get some bags of
silver coins and if you can… A guy came up to me and
said, “Bo, do you accept gold?”, and he flipped this gold
coin on the table. I said, “Of course! ” He says, “I want
your stuff.” I said, “Take anything you want.” A guy came
up and said, “Do you take silver?” I love people like that.
If you have silver or you have gold, friends, it spends!
We have a survival chain… I was going to wear it for you
today. I used to wear it everywhere I went. It was just
habit, I suppose. I speak Swahili; in Africa I can spend
that survival chain. I’ve been in Saudi Arabia as an
advisor; it spends. In Latin America, it spends. In Asia,
it spends. It is 24 karat. It weighs about 12 oz. It is
in little links that I can bust off. Now, that gets me out
of trouble. In Special Forces, we’re given these things.

These are called survival chains. Well, let’s say I don’t
take a mark (of the beast), but yet I need gasoline real bad
and I come up and say, “Hi, I don’t have a mark but I’ve got
one of these. It’s a silver dollar. It’s dated 1921.” The
guy says, “Gee whiz, they don’t have those anymore.” I
said, “Do you think you could just scan yourself and pump me
some gas?” He said, “Well, what do you think this is
worth?” I said, “Whatever you think. How about ten
gallons? How about a full tank?” I think they are going to
pump the gas. It would behoove you to have a bag of silver
coins.

I’ve got a friend called Richard Flowers. He runs the
Christian Patriot Association up in Oregon. That’s where
when we do have any money and we’ve got maybe three or four
of these things, we’ll save it and send it to him and then
Richard, whatever the price of gold is, sends it to us. But
get some gold or silver if you can. That’s going to spend
where… Why are they marking the paper stuff? You see, in
Cleveland the other day, the guy told me that all this paper
money has a little mark running through it and, as matter of
fact, he said that one had magnetic ink. There’s a little
line that goes right through there (Bo points to a thread in
the paper bill). It’s on the $100s, the $50s and the guy in
Cleveland told me, he said, “Bo, we’ve even been ordered to
mark the $5s.” (Someone hands Bo money) Is it all right if
I keep this because it’s worthless?! ! (Laughter). You see
the mark running right through here.

Now, here is why they do this. I believe when the National
Emergency comes out, where we go to the cashless system,
then they’ll tell you, “You will turn in…” Remember the
gold in 1933 with Roosevelt? “…You’ll turn it all in. If
you keep it, it is a felony.” Now, some people are going to
say, “I’m not going to take that mark, so they’ll try to
hide some of this stuff and it’s going to be like trying to
take a weapon through the metal detector at the airport,
because it’s interrogatable and, so, get rid of it. Don’t
have too much of this stuff in the banks, please. And, if
you have a lot of it, try to put it into, if you can what
you can, into gold and silver that will spend. I’m not a
prophet, but my predictions are, if we don’t change it,
1994 Martial Law.

(Someone hands Bo a 1 ounce silver coin.) Thank you. You
see, these are examples of silver. This is 1 ounce of
silver. Tell me a gas station guy, when you pull up in the
middle of the night and say, “I don’t have a mark, but, I’ve
got a silver coin.” See, they’re going to get rid of this
stuff. You can’t have it anymore. All of a sudden, it
becomes very valuable, doesn’t it? And, so, that’s the kind
of thing that the guy will say, “Go ahead and pump your
gas.” and he’ll take it home and give it to his family or to
his children. But, that’s why they’ve got the Mark, so that
you cannot horde it, so that if they stop you, they can scan
you and they’ll be able to tell… And I think you are
going to be homeless. I think they’re going to put you away
if you have very much cash on you.

Question: What about William Cooper and his claims about
extraterrestrials and the Kennedy assassination?

Bo: It’s a great and a good question and a fair one about
Bill Cooper and all that he says including the part about
when I was Commander of Special Forces in Latin America, I
had something to do with the alien stuff. Here’s the real
quick run down…

First of all, Bill Cooper caught himself in a terrible lie.
He shot himself. We didn’t do it to him. Bill Cooper had
been selling a tape made by someone who worked for me by the
name of Lars Hansen. Allegedly, it shows the driver, Bill
Greer, turning around and killing the President, but, Bob
Groden is a friend of mine, he was the man for the
Congressional Assassinations Committee who was their
technical film advisor. Life magazine bought up the
Zapruder film, but, Groden had access to it for the
Congressional Investigations. So, Groden made himself a
first generation copy. I told Lars, when he showed me that,
I said, “Lars, you got big trouble. We never shoot anybody
with a chrome-plated 45. We’ve got so much stuff we could
use, you’d never use something that would reflect like
that.” Secondly, the driver impossible. The reason is
because the driver has got to control that vehicle. If
you’re going to kill the President, I don’t care how
hypnotized you’ve been or how little blood you’ve got in
your veins, you don’t kill the President every day and turn
around and have to direct your attentionyou know what
happens when you turn around if you drop a cigarette butt
between your knees or you turn around to get something that
falls off the seatand so, I said, “It’s just too tricky and
you don’t need it because there’s enough ways to get him
without using the driver.”

So Lars went to Bob Groden and when he went there Bob Groden
laughed and pulled out his 1st generation and gave us a copy
of it and it very clearly shows that it is Kellerman.
Kellerman is in the right-hand seat. Kellerman gets down
when the bullets start flying, then just as the President is
killed, Kellerman raises up. When he raises up, the sun
reflects off of Kellerman’s hair. The same as it’s
reflecting off the other peoples hair, but, the bar is kind
of a bright bar, It’s slanted up this way and Greer, on the
1st generation film, has both hands on the wheel just like
this (Bo demonstrates hand position). He is turned and
looked at the President, but, both hands are locked, just
like they’re taught to be locked, so the vehicle isn’t going
to veer. He turns around, looks at the Presidentno
question, I think Greer is probably in on it, ’cause he’s
slowing the vehicle downbut, Kellerman lifts up, the bar of
light shows off his hair, the President is hit in the head.
I believe from the right front, and, of course, you all know
the result of it.

Now, Cooper, of course, has said that he saw that and all
the secret documents. Let me give you some logic.
Does anybody believe that I was a Chief of Congressional
Relations in the Office of Secretary of Defense? Does
anybody believe that I was an Army General Staff Officer in
the Pentagon? I have been there at the highest levels of
classification. As a Chief of Congressional Relations,
there were almost no documents that weren’t available
because you have to be there to determine whether Congress
has the clearance to see the stuff that they request. Like
when Senator Barry Goldwater wanted to go into Hangar 18 at
Wright Patterson, somebody had to see whether or not it was
all right and they said, “No, you can’t go.” Somebody was
authorized to look and see. I didn’t know anything about
flying saucers in those days, or aliens and so I didn’t go
looking around, but, I guess I probably could have.

Here’s my point. Cooper says that when the watch
officer Cooper’s never claimed to be an officer. He keeps
saying he’s been a Naval Intelligence Officer. That’s a
lie. Cooper’s been an enlisted man, there’s no question.
He was an enlisted man in the Navy and in the Air Force.
Cooper said that when the Naval Watch Officer went for
coffee that he grabbed a file and copied it. Now, here’s
the problems with that. See, Cooper’s never been around
classified information.

First of all, Watch Officers don’t go for coffee. They send
the enlisted man, probably, to get it. Secondly, if you do
go, every safe has a red and green tag. It says “Open” or
it says “Closed”. On every safe there is a place to sign in
and sign out. If you even take your eyes off those
containers, you spin all the dials, you put the green tags
in and you sign them and then you go to the men’s room or to
get coffee. Nobody leaves those safes open. Secondly,
there is no Xerox machine authorized anywhere around
classified information containers. Can you understand why?
Xerox almost put us out of the security business anyway,
but, you can understand why you couldn’t have a Xerox.

Thirdly, and here’s the greatest problem with his logic can
you imagine having in one file that a Navy person could go
through and look and find one file that tells everything
from the aliens to government drug trafficking, to who
killed John Fitzgerald Kennedy, to everything else that he
says. It was all in one file? Give me a break.
It would be in probably twenty five files and it would be
all over the place and why would they have that kind of
information in Hawaii? You see, they don’t copy this stuff
and put it all over. If it is “code word”, if it is coded,
then sometimes an Admiral may have to fly all the way from
Hawaii to Washington in order to see a “code word” document
that is S.I. Special Intelligence, Above Top Secret, because
they don’t let these things out, they don’t Xerox them and
send them all out.

When I was in command of Special Forces Latin America, I
knew a lot about what was going on within the CIA and our
covert operations. My efficiency report is right in here.
It says, “This officer is responsible for unconventional
warfare in Latin America.” Unconventional warfare, guerilla
warfare, subversion, sabotage, assassinations, direct action
missions, all of those were within my scope of
responsibilities. I didn’t know anything about aliens. I
had never heard anything about them. I knew about the
government drug operations. I didn’t like it, but, as a
commander, you are always taught you keep your eye on your
mission.

So, when Manuel Noriega turns up dirty dealing in Operation
Watch Tower, we’re going to kill him and that’s what we send
back. Then, when I’m ordered by a three star general,
Harold Arons says, “You keep your hands off Manuel Noreiga.
He has immense value at the highest levels.” What are you
going to do? You don’t know how this thing is interfacing
with the world. You have to have some faith in great white
father and big brother. That’s why there is no original
thought in uniform. If you’ve got people in uniform looking
like Schwarzkopfpeople saying, “Make Schwarzkopf
President.” Maybe in three or four years if Schwarzkopf
will start getting his head up and learning what’s going on,
he might make a good President. But, coming out of uniform,
friends, you know far more than General Schwarzkopf right
now about what’s real in the world.

So, that’s the story. I think Cooper got caught and I think
he got mad. He put on his phone answering machine, “If you
support Bo Gritz, Jesus Christ will not claim you.” (Crowd
laughter) I don’t know what Cooper knows about Jesus. I
know this if you looked, for example, at my files, it says
very clearly, “This officer is given Top Secret clearance,
background investigation this date…” It’s easy to show.
It’s no big deal. But, Cooper has never produced a single
document that has ever shown that he has even had access.
Your assignments say, “This officer was a Chief of
Congressional Relations… this period of time.” Cooper has
no documents that show or he’s ever presented I’ve got his
file that shows he had any kind of assignment that would
allow him to have any other clearance than maybe he turned
the lights on and off for a briefing one time.

Here is what we’re going to do. You see, if the alien thing
is real you know, about The Grays and The Reptilians here’s
what happens: Who created us? God. Thank you. Who created
government? We the people created government. Now, if we
created the government, should there be secrets? There is a
need for national security, but, friends, if there are
aliens and when I say, “I’m going to open up Hangar 18” that
doesn’t mean that’s all. When I say, “If you want to go
into Hangar 18, we’re taking volunteers.” I mean that we are
going to open the book, because I don’t care what’s in
there.

Don’t you think America should know what is going on? We
need to know the history, all the way back from the very
beginning. We need to know whether it was Nazis flying
saucers or whether it was from outer space. We need to know
what landed at Roswell (New Mexico) or crashed and that they
were so secret that they wouldn’t let Barry Goldwater look
at it. We need to know these things. Why? It’s our
country. Who are we keeping the secrets from? The
Russians? Mikhail Gorbachev perhaps? No, and so, do you
understand when I say, “We’re going to open the doors to
Hangar 18”, what does that mean? It doesn’t mean that we
say, “Hide everything in Hangar 18, we’re getting ready to
open the doors.” It means the whole program gets their
doors opened.

If you want to be part of it, if you’ve got some skill and
knowledge, you make sure we get your name and address. I’ll
guarantee you that when we’re in the office, you’ll be one
that will be one of a party of a hundred. You think that
this inspection in Iraq is going to be in detail? We’re
going to get to the bottom. We need to know if the aliens
are here to help us GOOD. If they are here to not nibble on
our ankles, we need to know that, don’t we? So let’s just
get to the truth. Isn’t the truth a very precious
commodity? But, it sure isn’t easy.

Question: How do we balance all the paper currency against
your silver and gold standard? What if we don’t have enough
precious metals?

Bo: Thank you! You see, it is good and when I say
something like opening Hangar 18, it doesn’t just mean as
literal as opening Hangar 18. It means getting to the
bottom of it. What he just said was, “It says in the
Constitution nothing will be made legal tender except gold
and silver.” And that’s true and that’s what we’re going to
do. I believe that God will help us. I think that America
within our territories, we have enough gold and silver and
we’re going to do like we did back in 1791. We’re going to
monetize the world’s gold and silver. That means that if
you’ve got a Krugerrand or if you’ve got a whatever the
Russians are using over there if that stuff is real and it
meets our weights and measures, then we accept it. But,
here’s what we’re going to do initially because you see what
he’s sayingvery intelligent observation.

Let’s say that I’m Rockefeller. Let’s say that I have a
trillion dollars in Federal Reserve Notes and I say, “Oh,
you’re going back on the gold and silver standard? Good.
Here is my trillion dollars worth of worthless Federal
Reserve Notes, I want all of your gold.” That could happen,
right? Yes. So, here’s what we do first because we are
going back on the gold and silver standard, but there is an
interim step. Initially, what we’re going to do because
we’ve got to go back under Constitutional currency that
means it has to be monetized. We’re going to monetize the
highways of the United States. Now, isn’t that valuable?
It costs a lot of money to lay highways, doesn’t it? So, if
we say that our currency we’re going to start putting it
out, it will say “United States Note”5, 10, 20, 100. If
you have Federal Reserve Notes, you’ll just be able to
exchange them or the Fed will be spent out of existence.
Don’t worry about losing any money. You’re a citizen,
you’re protected. But, we’re going to monetize it based on
our highway system. Do you think we have enough highways
laid in America to cover our issuance of notes? I think so,
but, you can’t take the highway with you. So, Rockefeller
couldn’t turn over a trillion dollars worth of worthless
Federal Reserve Notes and dig up a trillion dollars worth of
asphalt and put it on his back and haul it over to Europe.
Do you see why we’re doing this?

We monetize the highway system first, then we call in all of
the currency. It’s traded in and once we’ve got it… When
you say the gold is gone, if the gold is gone, we’re going
to have a very long rod which will contain very many
criminals who will be tarred and feathered and probably sent
in some kind of floating craft towards Europe because it is
criminal if they have gotten rid of the gold. According to
the 1991 statistics, we have enough gold and silver in
reserve that we can do this, but, if what he is saying is
right, because who has been in Fort Knox recently, see I
don’t know. If they have been secretly running this stuff
off, that’s why we can’t immediately say your Federal
Reserve Note will get you an ounce of gold. Initially, it’s
going to get you a piece of pavement which you can’t take
with you. Then, once we’ve made the transition then we go
back. Yes, you’ll have a Note and you can take it in when
you want to anywhere in the world. You can bring it here
and it’ll be exchanged for gold or silver. That means that
we don’t have inflation. It means that we don’t have
devaluation.

Follow Up Question: Would you make any effort to get it
(the gold) back…?

Bo: I’ve already mentioned that we’re going to let the Emir
of Kuwait go and get his little chunk of pot metal from the
Federal Reserve. If they have the gold and silver then,
yes, you can put on a lot of bravado to try and get it back.
If they don’t want to give it back to you because they’re
angry that you have run the Federal Reserve off, then, it’s
very difficult other than war, isn’t it? I don’t think I
would ever send young men and women to fight for MONEY. If
you haven’t got something better than that to fight for,
you’re in terrible trouble. So, let them keep it. Again,
we’ll monetize our highway system until we are up to speed
with gold and silver.

A lot of this, you’ve got to put in the hands of God,
because, otherwise, there wouldn’t be any glory for God. We
would think we were so haughty that we did it all ourselves,
and then, isn’t that kind of the way the history of the
world goes? We’re so smart, so haughty, we don’t need
anybody. Well, we are children. I don’t care if you’ve got
a Ph.D., you’re a child and probably more so than a lot of
other folks. We are children. Our dependence needs to be
on God and that’s why, as a combat soldier, I think the Lord
has called on me. I don’t know if I’m going to be
President. I don’t know the Lord’s agenda. Maybe I’m a
watchman, but, if that’s what I am, I am going to do the
best I can. I’ve been anointed by Christian ministers as a
“Modern Day Gideon” before I was a candidate for President.
I don’t know whether that anointment by oil is holy or not.
I don’t care.

I am a human. I am a son of God. I recognize and I claim
that kinship and I’m going forward fearlessly to do what I
believe is right. I’m not going to do anything original,
it’s going to be under The Constitution. I believe that
we’ll survive and if we don’t survive, then, all we do is go
home and that’s a fairly decent reward. So, I don’t think
we have to be fearful.

When I was thirteen, gosh, I was invincible. Me and my dog,
Smokey, and my gun were all over those wheat fields in
Oklahoma. I had no thought at all other than if I had
wanted to fly, if I flapped my arms enough, I probably would
lift myself up. And I hate to see a child who has anything
but great confidence and courage because God’s hand is so
powerful and so perfect and so strong that, literally, if
need be, we could be encompassed so that no harm could come
to us. I have read accounts where women, mothers, have
picked a car up that has run over their child. Tell me
that’s human strength? That’s God strength. When I was in
Nebraska going to the University of Nebraska, a woman
actually got down into the lions’ denher child had crawled
under and had fallen down into the lions’ den in the Omaha
Zooand she got down there and a lioness had her child in
its mouth. She literally freed the child from the lioness,
crawled back out of the den and didn’t have a bit of
trouble.

So, tell me about the Lord. You keep faith in Him and then
you do what you know to be right and be fearless and, if you
will, you’ll see the Angels. They’ll be there for you.
Again, remember this before the guilty can be punished, the
innocents must suffer. Now, you’ve got to remember that. I
wouldn’t want you to have your spirit broken because a loved
one was taken wrongfully. You can’t have your spirit
broken. You’ve got to keep your faith in God. You’ll join
that loved one soon enough. Remember, if that didn’t
happen, the guilty could not be punished because God’s Law
is perfect, and so, the blood of those offended, those
innocent ones, they cry out and that gives God the reason
and the justice to make those account who are responsible.
I’m excited about it, aren’t you? And so, together remember
that, not alone but together there isn’t anything that we
can’t do. So, we just restore the United States, no matter
what CNN says, and we just go back to The Constitution no
matter what George Bush says!

——–* End of speech *————————————————-

Don

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Gritz says he is a Mormon, but his book and his speeches reflect a
substantial congruence with Identity theories. Christian Identity is
condemned by both the Mormons and mainline Protestant denominations.
If you want evidence, read Gritz’s newsletters or his book Called to
Serve.
-Chip

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Is Bo Gritz an anti-Semite or a white supremacist? I want to know. I NEED to
know before I vote on November 3rd.

Please respond by e-mail if you believe as I do that the Trilateral Commission
and the CFR are sinister, criminal organizations devoted to the overthrow of
the U.S. Constitution.

If you are Chip Berlet or others who think the Trilateral Commission and the
CFR are benign organizations devoted to world peace through international
organizations such as the U.N. don’t bother answering my question. I don’t
trust your judgement or your motives. No offense intended, of course.

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I got some campaign literature today in the mail today from the Bo Gritz
organization. The last page reads:

“RANDY WEAVER – THE TRUTH HAS TO BE TOLD

This story must be told to the world in truth. The media, particularly
the newsprint, has totally distorted the truth of this matter. While the
newspaper focused falsely on Bo’s supposed membership in Christian Identity, or
a leader of White supremacy or giving the Nazi salute the truth is that Bo is
NOT [emphasis in original] a member of any white supremacy group and he did NOT
give the Nazi salute. Bo’s father was killed by the Nazi’s.”

Also, I would like to add something else I have discovered today. I
called a friend that I know from my church today who informed me that Bo Gritz
is a member of our church, Mormon. I have been a member of this church for
thirty years, and in all that time I have never met ONE person that I felt was
white supremacist or anti-Semite. Further, I am particularly sensitive on
these subjects because I have an hispanic wife of fifteen years and three
hispanic children. Further, as a matter of church doctrine, Latter-day Saints
believe themselves to be literal descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. This
is why I have never met a single Mormon that was anti-Semitic.

Bo Gritz is not a white supremacist nor is he a Jew hater. Information
to the contrary is probably the results of a deliberate disinformation
campaign.

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Today is October 27, 1992. Yesterday I received this over Bitnet. It is a
verbatim account of an article that appeared in the October 26, 1992 issue of
THE DAILY UNIVERSE which is the student newspaper at the Brigham Young
University in Provo, Utah:

Populist Party presidential candidate James “Bo” Gritz condemned George Bush as
a traitor, outlined a plan to get rid of the Department of Education, burned
the United Nations flag moments after saying he would shoot anyone who burned
the U.S. flag, and led 8,000 people in raising their right hand and taking a
“Constitutional oath” at the Huntsman Center on the University of Utah campus
Saturday night. The event was sponsored by the Bo Gritz National Presidential
Campaign.

Standing in front of fifty-five empty chairs that Gritz said represented “the
supportive spirits of this nation’s Founding Fathers,” Gritz spoke for more
than three hours, while the crowd screamed “We want Bo! ” and “Liberty or
death! ” Populist party T-shirts, banners, and flags filled the arena, with
Gritz occasionally stopping his speech to point out signs he particularly like.
Gritz was joined on stage by local and national organizers for his campaign,
several security guards, and his wife, Claudia.

Gritz began his remarks by proposing a “simple plan to cure the national debt.”
Claiming that the Federal Reserve Bank is unconstitutional and that the 16th
Amendment (which provides for the income tax) was passed by conspiracy, Gritz
said that as President he would simply strike a “worthless four trillion-dollar
coin,” and force the Federal Reserve to accept it as legal tender “under the
same presidential powers demonstrated by Abe Lincoln.”

Gritz admitted that this would bankrupt the Federal Reserve system and cause
America to default on the money it owes to foreign creditors who finance the
majority of America’s debt, but said he didn’t care. “I don’t care about other
countries,” he shouted, supported by cheers from the audience. “I care about
America and making America first! ”

>From economics, Gritz went on to explain his views on cancer and AIDS
research–which he said would be better carried out by natural healers than by
doctors–and the “New World Order,” which he characterized as an attempt by
Bush, the Rockefeller family and the Council on Foreign Relations to hand
American sovereignty over to foreign powers. He also implicated these groups
in the assassination of President Kennedy.

Comparing himself to Captain Moroni [a Book of Mormon hero], Gritz asked all
the children in the audience to come down to the stage–about 300 complied–and
hold aloft the American flag and U.S. Constitution as “titles of liberty.”

He said he would ask all the children to take an oath and pledge “true faith
and allegiance” to the Constitution, but was interrupted by shouts from the
audience: “Give us the oath, Bo! ”

In response, Gritz asked the audience to stand, raise their right hand, and
repeat after him “the oath of the Constitution.”

As the last strains of “So help me God” faded into cheers, Gritz took out a
lighter and set a United Nations flag on fire. The crowd went wild.

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Points I consider amazing about Bo Gritz rally in Salt Lake City:

o Over eight thousand attended.
o Bo Gritz called George Bush a traitor.
o Bo Gritz burned a UN flag.
o Bo Gritz is on the ballot in at least seventeen states.
o No mention was made of this in the national media.

Does anyone besides me find this last point a little peculiar?

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From: [email protected] (REDELSS JOHN W)
Subject: Vote for Bo Gritz
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I have sought e-mail in this newsgroup with information on the presidential
candidancy of Bo Gritz who is not well covered in the mainstream media. I
was principally interested in determining whether or not there was any truth to
charges of anti-Semitism and white supremacist leanings. I have received a
lot of material both for and against Mr. Gritz.

More importantly I have been referred to a couple of private lists where Gritz
is discussed at considerable length in many of the posts with most of the posts
being against him.

I have been somewhat surprised to learn that in all the arguments made against
Gritz, not one person has brought forth any evidence in the form of verifiable
quotes from things he’s said or written that would lead me to believe he is
either anti-Semitic or white supremacist. If he is either I find it remarkable
that the evidence has not been forthcoming.

I must therefore tentatively conclude that the charges are false. Bo Gritz is
neither anti-Semitic or white supremacist. Chip Berlet is mistaken about
this.

I therefore encourage all who oppose the internationalist objectives of the
CFR, the Trilateral Commission, the United Nations and the so-called New World
Order, to vote for James “Bo” Gritz on November 3rd.

Given the support he needs, Bo Gritz will reestablish the Constitution as the
supreme law of the land. He will eliminate the Federal Reserve Board and the
Internal Revenue Service. And he will protect the sovereignty of the United
States from usurpation by the United Nations or any other organization trying
to make the United States part of a global dictatorship.

I repeat. Bo Gritz is NOT a Neo-Nazi, a white supremacist, an anti-Semite, a
skinhead, a member of Aryan Nation, a John Bircher, a member of KKK or Posse
Comitatus, or any other right-wing group you may have a disagreement with.

He is a conservative American dedicated to the preservation of the Constitution
in the tradition of the Founding Fathers and opposed to globalist schemes that
would set the Constitution aside.

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Subject: Re: Populist Party = Nazis
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From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee
Subject: Populist Party = Nazis

/* Written 9:53 pm Nov 2, 1992 by [email protected] in igc:alt.conspiracy */
/* ———- “Vote for Bo Gritz” ———- */

Gritz has repeatedly praised and participated in Christian
Identity, here are excerpts from his speech at a Christian
Identity meeting hosted by Identity preacher Pete Peters, a raving
anti-Jewish bigot:

Gritz:
“I believe that the Identity Christian Movement will continue
to grow in this nation until it is able to stand self-sufficient
in spite of the government….Basically the Zionists are taking
over and we Christians are being formed into small pockets that
have to go to camps twice a year to learn what’s going on….The
enemy you face today is a satanic overthrow where he would change
the United States of America, a nation under God, into USA
incorporated with King George as chariman of the board, and a
Zionist group that would rule over us as long as satan might be on
earth….I am telling you that he (God) has given us all that we
need. He’s given us the likes of Pete Peters, he’s given us the
likes of the Identity Christian movement.”
-Source, , Center for Democratic Renewal
(Atlanta), December
1991, page 19.

>From The Idaho Falls , September 13, 1992 (page
B6):
“[Our] editorial should have said that Gritz adheres to less
strident views of the Christian Identity movement. There are a
number of Christian Identity Churches. A national spokesman for
Gritz, Jack McLamb, has told Associated Press that Gritz adheres
to a blend of Christian Identity, Baptist, and LDS [Mormon]
beliefs. Whether he is a member of the LDS Church or not has not
been able to be confirmed despite repeated calls to a Gritz number
identified by an answering machine as the Center for Action. –
Editor.”

Gritz: “Eight Jewish families virtually control the entire
FED–only three are American jews [sic].” “Called to Serve,” page
609.

-Chip Berlet

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Re: Bar Codes and Mark of the Beast.
Actually, this particular lunatic screed is being circulated among
several small far-right Christian fundamentalist groups and the
proto-Nazi Christian Identity movement. Bo Gritz ran an article
supporting this mania in his newsletter. Prior to this craze, the
Mark of the Beast was alleged to be the birth mark on Gorby’s forehead.
-Chip

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The following is a Prodigy discussion of Bo Gritz which I thought
would be illuminating here.
-Steve

PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service 11/06/92 3:05 AM

ARTS CLUB
TOPIC: BOOKS/NONFICTION
TIME: 11/02 10:19 AM
TO: R GILBERT (WDFX53A)
FROM: JUDITH BARNETT (HKMC94A)
SUBJECT: WORLD GOV.UN TROOPS

Ruth….”Politics makes strange bedfellows”, and I would say
that such racist groups would support Bush before they would
Gritz, as Bush is elitest WASP through and through, which
coincides with their way of thinking. Also note the
republicans stand on religion which is also conducive to the
white supremacist mentallity. The KKK sprang from Southern
Baptist (Fundamentalist) conditioning.
I really don’t know anything about Gritz, the man, so I
have no idea as to his personal beliefs. But I would think
the man would be smart enough to not associate himself with
any kind of racist group if he wanted to be president.
This is probably one of those situations of guilt by
association, not fact. But then, one never really knows
what’s in the hearts of men.
I’ve got one guy calling me prejudiced against Jews. Why?
Simply because I use the word to clarify the situation I’m
talking about, which hasn’t a thing to do with my personal
feelings about anybody whatsoever.
People love to distort what others say to serve their own
agendas. We can be here criticizing Christians, and we’re
not seen as being prejudiced against all Christians, but
just disapproving of certain behaviors.
But, if we criticize the behavior of blacks or Jews,
individually or as a group, we’re called prejudiced towards
the entire race or religion, when such is not the case at
all.
Gritz evidently made some comment identifying the
international bankers behind this NWO conspiracy, many of
which happen to be Jewish. This enabled those who don’t want
the NWO exposed for what it is and who is behind it, to use
his comments as a way to discredit him.
Now, for all I know, Gritz could be guilty as alleged, but
no man seeking to be president would knowingly admit to
being prejudiced, so my guess is that he just told the truth
about who was behind the NWO, and these rumor-mongers
jumped at it for a `smear campaign’ to ensure that Gritz has
no chance to get elected.
I admit to being prejudiced, we all are to some extent,
not against people in general, their race or religion, but
prejudiced against the wrongs that they do. You and I have
been discussing the contradictions of people who claim to be
Christians, thus, we could be said to have a prejudice
against those contradictions/wrongs, but that doesn’t mean
that we hate the people, or all Christians.
If we say we dislike the international bankers who are
part of the NWO cabal, that isn’t saying we are prejudiced
against all Jews just because those bankers happen to be
Jewish. Although, I’m sure there are some people who will
do so, as people like to generalize and have an enemy to
blame for their own short-comings as people.
Sometimes I really get disgusted with people and their
ignorance, where they can’t separate the wrongs people do
from the people themselves, or blame everyone.
None of us are perfect. I don’t care what color, race,
religion, nationality, or gender one is, we all make
mistakes as individuals, and as groups. It is the wrongs we
do that cause people to be hurt that must be condemned, not
the individual unless that individual has deliberately
chosen to live their lives to continuously hurt other
people. We commit those wrongs as individuals, not as a
religion, race, nationality, or gender. It is the individual
who is responsible and deserves the results of their actions

ARTS CLUB
TOPIC: BOOKS/NONFICTION
TIME: 11/02 1:22 PM
TO: JUDITH BARNETT (HKMC94A)
FROM: R GILBERT (WDFX53A)
SUBJECT: WORLD GOV.UN TROOPS

I agree with most of your note, and what I am about to
say might just be an addition to what what we are thinking.
There are two kinds of racism and bigotry, one is the
subtle racism, a feeling of superiority, that we feel
when confronted with some member of a particular group.
Then there is “radical racism”, the one who wants to
keep others down in order to feel superior.
These people want to take the jobs away from a minority
group because they feel the members of his group deserves
to have it. Some of them will kill just to achieve this
goal.
Any member of the KKK is not a Christian, because the
premise of Christianity is love and compassion for other
human beings in spite of their race, religion, etc.

A friend of David Duke is not a friend of mine.
So if Gritz is a “racist” of the second kind, I don’t want
anything to do with his “cause.”
There are two group of people who I can not accept.
1. The Communists
2. Racists who called themselves Christians.

rg

ARTS CLUB
TOPIC: BOOKS/NONFICTION
TIME: 11/02 5:34 PM
TO: R GILBERT (WDFX53A)
FROM: MICHAEL SOILEAU (DMXS91A)
SUBJECT: WORLD GOV.UN TROOPS

Just to let you know, Bo Gritz’s state campaign chairman for
Connecticut is a Jew. A black pastor from Illinois was
personally responsible for getting thousands of petition
signatures for Bo, and one of Bo’s best friends from Nam is
Gary Goldman. In Bo’s newsletter this month, he says Liberty
Lobby asked to use his name as an adviser, but they have
never even sent him any correspondence. They support Perot.

ARTS CLUB
TOPIC: BOOKS/NONFICTION
TIME: 11/03 3:16 PM
TO: MICHAEL SOILEAU (DMXS91A)
FROM: R GILBERT (WDFX53A)
SUBJECT: WORLD GOV.UN TROOPS

I hope you forgive my ignorance regarding Gritz, as
I have devoted myself to study and learn the beliefs
of the top three.
I caught a lot of heat from Duke’s followers when he was
running, in the Closeup bb. But I am not familiar with
most of the racists organizations.
Could you explain to me who is Gary Goldman?
And what the Liberty Lobby is all about?

rg

2.08 pm Central

ARTS CLUB
TOPIC: BOOKS/NONFICTION
TIME: 11/03 6:27 PM
TO: R GILBERT (WDFX53A)
FROM: MICHAEL SOILEAU (DMXS91A)
SUBJECT: WORLD GOV.UN TROOPS

Gary Goldman is one of Bo’s best friends from Nam., and Gary
is a Jew. I was just using him as an example to point out
the inconsistencies in Bo’s critics that try to make him out
to be anti-semitic.

-Steve

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From: [email protected] (Gordon Banks)
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In article [email protected] (Gary Hypes) writes:

>I suspect the truth about Gritz lies somewhere in the middle. No doubt
>about it, politically you would have to place Gritz somewhere to the
>right of Herod Antipas. On the other hand, I haven’t seen anything to
>indicate that he’s the raving looney his detractors make him out to be.

Well, how about the UPC bar codes being the mark of the beast? That
stuff was in his campaign literature! I’d say anyone that believes
that stuff has to be a lunatic.

—
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Gordon Banks N3JXP | “I have given you an argument; I am not obliged
[email protected] | to supply you with an understanding.” -S.Johnson
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As to UPC bar codes, I am not myself a believer in end-time biblical
prophecy. However, a number of otherwise intelligent people accept
the book of Revelations as an accurate and God-inspired statement of
our coming history. It is a document obviously written in symbols,
with a great deal of latitude as to how those symbols are to be
understood. The “Mark of the Beast” is usually taken to have a numerical
significance, and to be associated with the privelege of participating
in a totally controlled economic marketplace. If one accepts the
original premise of Revalation’s validity for our time, then it
does not seem too unreasonable a stretch to consider UPC codes an
aspect of the “Mark of the Beast” symbolism.

-Steve

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We are given the following news by Brad Pierce:

> Yet four years ago, Bo Gritz (rhymes with Knights)
>accepted a nomination to run for Vice-President of the United
>States on a ticket with “former” Ku Klux Klan grand dragon
>David Duke, from the Populist Party…..

If the article starts off with a lie, why should we trust the rest of
it? Bo Gritz quit the Populist Party ticket after Duke was nominated as
the Presidential hopeful. Perhaps, when these folks get their facts
straight for once, people might begin to take them seriously.

Andy Byler

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I find it interesting that those who attack people like Chip
Berlet often make very vague, negative assertions about the
evidence. For example, they claim to have searched far and wide
for evidence, but don’t say where. I have yet to see anyone
actually prove specific factual claims by Berlet or the PART
report to be false. It seems to be rather unfair to characterize
a source as “lying” or spreading disinformation without concrete
evidence that is indepentently verifiable by others.
I would like to point out that the nominations of David Duke and
James “Bo” Gritz as Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates
of the Populist Party were reported in the March 28, 1988 issue
of Spotlight newspaper. The articles on page 4 and 5 show a photo
of David Duke and Gritz side-by-side, firmly clasping hands after
their nominations. Gritz is quoted as saying “There is nothing in
the Populist Party platform I don’t agree with.” Is there anyone
who can provide evidence (independently verifiable) that these
articles are inaccurate?
Also, Gritz’s own book mentions his connection to Identity
Christian preacher Pete Peters. More about Peters can be found in
the book The Silent Brotherhood: Inside America’s Racist
Underground by Kevin Flynn and Gary Gerhardt (Free Press, 1989).

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Subject: Re: Chip Berlet
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In article <[email protected]>, c[email protected] (NLG Civil Liberties Committee) writes…
>
>
>Hi,
> It really is a shame that you are not only an incompetent
> researcher but prone to personal smears as well. If it would be
> of interest, I will happily upload my current bio. If you knew how
> to do research, you could do a search of my published articles and
> get an idea of who I am, or check the Library of Congress catalog.
> But since you cannot even find evidence for facts that even Gritz
> himself does not contest, then I suppose that it a lot to ask.
> Let me know.
> -Chip

I am John W. Redelfs of Ketchikan Alaska, Chip. And you can address me by name
if you want to. I don’t know why you call me an incompetent researcher, Chip.
In my post I never claimed to be a researcher at all. I just said I was
gathering what information I could find on Bo Gritz from alt.conspiracy,
and various e-mail lists I am subscribed to.

I find it curious that Bo hasn’t written or said more that is clearly
anti-Semitic or white racist than he has. I have trusted your research to
provide me with the most damning material available. And there is precious
little in your material to back up your claims in the way of quotes from
Gritz’s writings and speeches.

As for me being “prone to personal smears,” what did I do? All I did was ask
some questions about you. Who are you? Why are you so down on Gritz?
Who do you work for? Do you have some axe to grind? Are you honest? Can
we trust your testimony on these matters?

Is this a personal smear to want to know something more about you? Yes,
as per your post quoted above, please do provide us with some biographical
information. That is, if you have nothing to hide.

I, myself, do not want to support Bo Gritz if he is in the least degree
anti-Semitic or white racist. I detest such people. But I have been unable
to uncover anything convincing me that he is. Your own material is the most
damning of all. And it contains almost nothing from Gritz’s speeches and
writings to convince me he is either a white racist or an anti-Semite.
Maybe you could just post some quotes from Gritz with citations so we could
all see what a Jew hater and white racist he is?

Never mind a liturgy of who he hangs out with. My best friend for years
was a Marxist-Leninist with whom I disagreed about almost everything. In
all that time he never persuaded me to move an inch from my basically
John Birch Society positions. No I am not a Bircher, but I have great
respect for their doctrines which I believe are correct.

In order to be the radical right wing anti-Semite and white racist you claim
he is, Bo Gritz has to consistently say and do things that are anti-Semitic and
white racist, right? Well, show me.

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Subject: Re: Apology for Chip Berlet
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Thanks for the apology, I’m sorry if I came on too strong, but I
do need to defend my reputation as a journalist.

I have several concerns regarding Gritz. He is a self-promoting
huckster. He peddles theories that promote anti-Jewish bigotry
and create fear of immigrants. He misrepresents his ties to
fascist and race-hate groups and his support for Christian
Identity. He promotes lunatic theories about government
misconduct which undermine and discredit serious research and
criticism of government misconduct.

Many people who defend Gritz refuse to acknowledge the facts
previously posted here. It is fair to disagree with the
conclusions that I and other Gritz critics post. It is dishonest
to pretend that there are no facts to support our arguments. It
is unethical to charge broadly that assertions about Gritz have
been disproven or are in error when this is not true. Every
researcher makes mistakes. When I make them I post a correction
and an apology. But I will vigorously confront persons who
falsely claim I have made errors because they disagree with my
conclusions. There are many persons on the computer networks who
routinely post material of questionable validity. This is true of
persons on both the left and right. Some of these persons are
sincere but misguided. Others, such as many supporters of Gritz,
the Populist Party, and the LaRouchians, are using the network to
create a mass base for fascism. One of they key tools of fascist
political movements is the use of conspiracy theories to create
scapegoats on which to blame societal problems. That’s why I take
the time to post material on computer networks, including a forum
devoted to conspiracy theories.

As promised, here is the full unedited text of my current press
biography and list of lecture topics.

Chip Berlet

Biographical Information

Political Research Associates
678 Massachusetts Avenue, Suite 702
Cambridge, MA 02139

Chip Berlet is an analyst with Political Research Associates, a
non-profit institute studying authoritarian, anti-democratic,
right-wing, and xenophobic political movements. Berlet has spent
twenty years as an investigator, journalist and photographer
focusing on civil rights and civil liberties.

He is a much-quoted expert on a variety of right-wing political
movements, including the neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klan, Posse
Comitatus, Aryan Nations, racist Skinheads, Liberty Lobby, John
Birch Society, the New Right, right-wing spy networks, Cold War
paranoid groups, the Lyndon LaRouche fascist cult, and left-wing
groups with authoritarian hierarchies such as the National Labor
Federation and the New Alliance Party. He has attended meetings
of neo-Nazis, the Ku Klux Klan, Holocaust revisionists, and white
supremacists, and confronted the leaders of these groups on radio
and television talk shows, including a memorable exchange with
the white nationalist pro-Aryan Nations minister Bob Miles on the
Oprah Winfrey program.

As a civil rights activist Berlet has helped neighborhood,
community and political groups fight back attempts by organized
hate groups to inflame tensions. He was among the first
researchers to warn of the attempt by anti-Jewish race-hate
groups to recruit financially-strapped Midwest farmers in the
late 1970s and early 1980’s. A persistent critic of Lyndon
LaRouche, Berlet has been sued twice by the LaRouchians for his

characterization of them as a conspiracist neo-Nazi political
movement engaged in illegal fundraising schemes and run by a
lunatic cult leader. The LaRouchians eventually lost both cases.

In 1987, Berlet and his collegues received the Chicago Citizens
Alert Award for advancing racial justice through educational
efforts exposing farm belt bigotry, organized hate group activity
in Chicago neighborhoods, and the growth of the neo-Nazi skinhead
movement.

His work exposing threats to civil liberties has covered
censorship, police misconduct, government surveillance, right
wing surveillance operations, covert action, and the
relationships among those phenomena. Berlet is a former vice-
president of the National Lawyers Guild and currently serves as
Secretary of the NLG’s Civil Liberties Committee. He works
closely with the National Committee Against Repressive
Legislation and serves on the board of advisors to the Chicago-
based Bill of Rights Foundation. In 1979 he helped organize
national citizens hearings on FBI surveillance abuses.

Before joining Political Research Associates in 1982, Berlet
spent three years as a paralegal investigator at the Better
Government Association in Chicago, engaged in research and trial
preparation for the American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit
against illegal government surveillance by the Chicago Police
Intelligence Unit–litigation dubbed the “Chicago Red
Squad” case. He has also served as a paralegal on other
intelligence abuse and civil liberties cases filed against local
police, the FBI, CIA and Military Intelligence on behalf of
groups such as the Spanish Action Committee of Chicago, National
Lawyers Guild, American Indian Movement, Socialist Workers Party,
Christic Institute, and American Friends Service Committee.

As a freelance writer, Berlet has written, edited, and co-
authored a long list of material on right-wing activity, racism,
prejudice, anti-Jewish conspiracy theories, government
repression, covert operations, and constitutional rights,
including articles in the The Boston Globe, Chicago Sun-Times,
Des Moines Register, Mother Jones, The Nation, The Progressive,
Chicago Reader, Chicago Lawyer, The Humanist, Greenpeace
Magazine, Boston Phoenix, Pacific News Service, The Guardian
(NY), WIN Magazine, In These Times, Boston Real Paper,
CovertAction Information Bulletin, National Reporter, Liberation
News Service, High Times, and Utne Reader.

An award-winning photo-journalist, Berlet’s pictures have
appeared on book, magazine, and record album covers, been carried
on the Associated Press wire, and been published in periodicals
such as the Denver Post, Washington Star, and Chronicle of Higher
Education. He is a member of the National Writers Union.

A co-founder and member of the editorial board of the legal
newsletter Police Misconduct and Civil Rights Law Report,
published by Clark Boardman, Co. of New York; Berlet has
previously been contributing editor of Public Eye magazine, co-
founder of the College Press Service collective in Denver, and
for many years was on the board of directors of the Alternative
Press Syndicate.

Berlet has spoken widely on right-wing groups and governmental
civil liberties infringements at forums ranging from speeches at
rallies and meetings, to sermons at local churches and temples,
to workshops at local and national conventions. His college
campus appearances include presentations at Harvard, Boston
University, and the University of Massachusetts at Amherst; and

classroom lectures at the University of Chicago, George
Washington University, and Florida State University.

Publications which have reported Berlet’s views include The New
York Times, Newsweek and The Boston Globe. He has appeared on a
live interview with co-host Bryant Gumbel on NBC Television’s
Today Show, and on numerous taped interviews on major television
network evening news programs including NBC, ABC, CBS, and CNN.
He has been interviewed for National Public Radio’s All Things
Considered program, Terry Gross’s Fresh Air interview program on
NPR, and Pacifica Radio Network News, and many other radio news
and talk show programs.

Berlet has been a persistent activist on issues involving access
to media and information policies, and has authored critiques
appearing in Library Quarterly, Extra! , Alternative Media Review,
More Magazine, and TUM: the Colorado Journalism Review. He
represented the Chicago Citizens Commission on the Media at
hearings establishing Chicago’s cable television franchise where
he played a key role in increasing community access and
governance provisions in the authorizing statute.

He co-founded and still runs a computer bulletin board designed
to challenge the information circulated by racist and anti-Jewish
bulletin boards; and to provide information on civil rights and
civil liberties, including a kit for requesting information under
the federal Freedom of Information Act.

In the 1970’s Berlet co-edited a series of books on student press
rights, campus activism, student financial aid, and higher
education policy for the National Student Association and
National Student Educational Fund.

Berlet was born in 1949, was raised in New Jersey where he became
active in the civil rights movement as a teenager, and has lived
and worked in Denver, Colorado, Washington, D.C., and Chicago,
Illinois. He currently resides with his wife and son in a suburb
of Boston .

====================

Political Research Associates (formerly Midwest Research) is an
independent, not-for-profit research center which monitors the
organizations, individuals, and activities of the American
political right wing and initiates anti-right organizing
projects. Our purpose is to serve as an information clearinghouse
providing archival information on the right wing, including links
among right-wing groups, financing behind right-wing activities,
and analysis of right-wing movements, and to serve as an
“early warning system” for those who need to know about
emerging trends and developments. PRA’s director is Dr. Jean
Hardisty, a former political science professor. The full-time
staff includes analyst Chip Berlet, researcher Margaret Quigley,
a graduate of Harvard Law School, and archivist Francine Davis.

====================

Chip Berlet
Prepared Lectures for 1992
Racism, Fascism and the Far Right:

Moral choices in defense of pluralistic democracy

Since the end of World War Two and the fight against Fascism,
there have been several domestic U.S. political movements which
echo Nazi-era themes of racial superiority, ultra-nationalism,

and xenophobia. What are these movements, how do they differ and
interact? What is Nativism? Who were the original America
Firsters? What advisor to Oliver Stone’s film “JFK” is tied to
pro-Nazi elements? What moral obligations do we have, as citizens
of a pluralistic democracy, to break the silence and speak out on
behalf of the victims of racist and fascist movements? Resources:
Hanna Arendt, Eichmann in Jerusalem (book).

Concentration Camps to Contragate:

Nazis, Anti-Communism, and the National Security State
How obsessive Cold War anti-communism led to an alliance with former
Nazi collaborators and the development of the National Security State
with its emphasis on militarism and covert action abroad, and secrecy
and repression at home. Why Contragate was merely the latest round
in this fight. The role of Nazi collaborators in the 1988 Bush campaign.
Why the National Endowment for Democracy is misnamed. The role of
the “Imperial Presidency,” and bi-partisanship.

Secular Humanism Phobia:
The right-wing conspiracy theory of the world.

Is modern art part of a secular humanist conspiracy to destroy
traditional family values? No. But these people think so. The
attack on the National Endowment for the Arts explained as part
of a widely-held right-wing theory of one-world creeping
socialism.

The White Racist Alliance:
Scapegoating and fear mongering in troubled areas

Case studies of how a coalition of white supremecist groups tried
to exploit fear in the farm belt, the rust belt, and urban
neighborhoods struggling with integration. How those communities
fought back. Why a policy of not publicizing organizing drives
and incidents by racial hate groups often backfires. Update on
current Ku Klux Klan and white supremacist organizing.

The Hunt for Red Menace:
The FBI’s discredited justifications for political spying

A serious (yet humorous) talk on how the FBI has repackaged
discredited “McCarthy Period” theories of subversion,
manipulated fears of “terrorism,” and employed a paranoid
analysis of the U.S. social change movement, all in an attempt to
justify its violation of constitutional rights through
surveillance and harassment of dissidents. The new attacks on the
environmental movement. The role of right-wing private spy
networks, and hysterial anti-communism. Resources: Emile
D’Antonio, Point of Order (film).

LaRouche ‘s Authoritarian Agenda:
Fascism wrapped in an American flag

Lyndon LaRouche is more than a lunatic crook and “perennial
presidential candidate”; and neither a Marxist nor
“extreme conservative” as the media like to call him.
LaRouche is the quintessential Fascist demagogue who has built a
sophisticated high-tech electronic spy network to help propel him
into power.

Other topics:

The New Alliance Party:

How the NAP uses totalitarianism as a political style. What is the

therapy cult behind the NAP?

Media Myopia and Informed Consent:

Self-governance in the age of the thirty-second sound bite. What
was president James Madison’s warning?

Racism and Anti-Semitism:

Defining the terms, expanding the debate. Theories of prejudice, bigotry
and scapegoating.

Civil Liberties Threat of the New Right:

Self-righteous Nativism versus democratic pluralism.

Debunking Conspiracy Theories:

There was no “Secret Team” behind Iran Contragate, the “Octopus
Theory” is all wet, George Bush’s New World Order is not part
of a clandestine para-government run by Yale’s “Skull and Bones”
society. An appeal to reason and logic.

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From: [email protected] (John W. Redelfs)
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With Steve Crocker I too would like to see any evidence you have that Bo
Gritz is wrong about top government officials being involved in drug
trafficking for the purpose of financing covert operations.

And just dismissing Gritz as a crackpot or lunatic doesn’t really prove
he isn’t telling the truth.

Tell us, Chip. You are probably the most knowledgable contributor to
this newsgroup (although much of your knowledge may be false). Is it
certain that Bo Gritz is wrong about this? How can we be sure?

—

——— All my opinions are tentative pending further data. ———
———— John W. Redelfs, [email protected] ————-

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From: [email protected] (John W. Redelfs)
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Subject: Re: Bo Gritz vs Chip Berlet
Date: 11 Jan 1993 10:55:30 GMT
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>>And just dismissing Gritz as a crackpot or lunatic doesn’t really prove
>>he isn’t telling the truth.
>
>Given that Gritz has been wrong about everything that is checkable,
>what makes you think he’s truthful about this one? Especially when
>Gritz has *no* evidence of his claims.
>
>Gritz is just a con-man trying to get money out of you the way he
>got money out of Ross Perot.
>–
>ted frank | [email protected]
>standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
>the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637

I think you may be right, Ted, but I just don’t know. I’d like a little
more to go on than your say-so. Where did you get this information?
Except for some pretty solid stuff that I’ve received from Chip Berlet
establishing that he’s associated with some pretty seedy characters a
while back, I’ve found verifiable information about Gritz pretty hard to
come by.

It would sure help me if someone could document some lies he’s told, some
crimes he’s committed, or some anti-Semitic/white racist things he’s
said in his writings or speeches. Most of what I’ve heard seems to be rant
that is unsubstantiated from his political enemies, not exactly an
unbiased source.

In fact, if Gritz is the Jew hating white racist liar his enemies say
he is, I’m surprised the net isn’t just loaded with such documentation.

Calling someone a villian doesn’t make him one unless he’s actually done
or said something wrong. Ideology alone doesn’t make someone a villian.
Neither does knowing scum unless he is one of them.

How can we know for sure that Gritz is a liar? How can we know for sure
that he is a anti-Semitic white racist? To be sure, we need more than
just a lot of people saying he is these things. Rumors and gossip
aren’t evidence.

I understand that he once wrote that some of the families that own the
Federal Reserve are Jewish. Is saying this anti-Semitic? It seems to
me that such would be the case only if he said these Jews were evil
BECAUSE they are Jewish or if it’s not true. If a bank is owned by a
Mormon family, does saying so make one an anti-Mormon? Some people
define anti-Semitism so broadly that almost nobody can escape the
appellation unless he is Jewish.

If anyone can produce SUBSTANTIAL evidence that Bo Gritz is either
anti-Semitic or white racist as I define those terms, I will turn away
from him in total disgust.

Afterall my wife and three children are mestizo and I have Jewish
ancestry that I am very proud of. I detest anti-Semites and white
racists.

Oddly enough, I have never seen convincing evidence that Bo Gritz is
either.

—

——— All my opinions are tentative pending further data. ———
———— John W. Redelfs, [email protected] ————-

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From: [email protected] (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz vs Chip Berlet
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Lance W. Bledsoe) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.09[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
>>Given that Gritz has been wrong about everything that is checkable,
>>what makes you think he’s truthful about this one? Especially when
>>Gritz has *no* evidence of his claims.
>
>I’m sorry, you’re wrong. I’ve seen MUCH evidence of Bo’s claims. With
>reguard to the CIA drug running charges; I have a videotape of Bo Gritz
>interviewing Burmese drug lords that flatly identify their contacts in
>the US as former CIA and state department officials.

And what evidence do you have that the person he interviewed was a
“Burmese drug lord”?

>>Gritz is just a con-man trying to get money out of you the way he
>>got money out of Ross Perot.
>
>I don’t think that Bo Gritz ever go any money from Perot.

False. Do a database search. Perot was quite proud of his support
for Gritz before he became a presidential candidate.

>And if
>he did it was probablly to help find POWs in Southeast Asia.

Well, that’s what Gritz told the families of MIA’s that he ripped off,
yes. Then he had a nice cock-and-bull story about how he “infiltrated”
across a river border that didn’t exist, found actual “camps”, and
as evidence produced “human remains” that turned out to be pig bones.

Gritz is a con-man, and a dangerous one at that, given his anti-Semitism.

>The problem is not people like Gritz, who dedicate their lives trying to
>keep us all free, but people like you that spread misinformation.

And what misinformation is this? You’re talking from bald assertions
and faked videotapes. I have facts on my side. Look up this stuff.
Use your goddammed head.
—
ted frank | [email protected]
standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
never shout movie in a crowded firestation

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Subject: Re: Bo Gritz vs Chip Berlet
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (John W. Redelfs) writes:
>I think you may be right, Ted, but I just don’t know. I’d like a little
>more to go on than your say-so. Where did you get this information?

Public knowledge. Look it up. Do a database search. It’s not hidden;
a newspaper or three will do an article on Gritz fairly often.

>Except for some pretty solid stuff that I’ve received from Chip Berlet
>establishing that he’s associated with some pretty seedy characters a
>while back, I’ve found verifiable information about Gritz pretty hard to
>come by.

There was a recent good book published about MIA-con-men in general,
part of it was excerpted in the January 1991 _Atlantic_.

>Calling someone a villian doesn’t make him one unless he’s actually done
>or said something wrong. Ideology alone doesn’t make someone a villian.

I disagree with the latter statement. At what point did Hitler become
a villian? Do we have to wait for the first Jews to enter the camps?

>How can we know for sure that Gritz is a liar? How can we know for sure
>that he is a anti-Semitic white racist? To be sure, we need more than
>just a lot of people saying he is these things. Rumors and gossip
>aren’t evidence.
>
>I understand that he once wrote that some of the families that own the
>Federal Reserve are Jewish. Is saying this anti-Semitic?

Yes. Why?

1) It’s false. The Federal Reserve is owned and fully controlled
by the United States government.

2) It’s a clear appeal to anti-Semites to join him, guised in such
language so that people like you are willing to dismiss charges
of anti-Semitism. The idea of a conspiracy being led by “Jewish
bankers” is over a century old, and has been told by anti-Semites
on at least four or five different continents. And never has it
been true.

3) Let’s assume counterfactually for a second that the FRB *was*
controlled by Jews. What purpose does it serve to note that
some government officials happen to be of a particular religion?
Of what relevance is it, if not to cast aspersions on them for
their religion?

>It seems to
>me that such would be the case only if he said these Jews were evil
>BECAUSE they are Jewish or if it’s not true. If a bank is owned by a
>Mormon family, does saying so make one an anti-Mormon? Some people
>define anti-Semitism so broadly that almost nobody can escape the
>appellation unless he is Jewish.

Gritz is making a false claim that Jews have control over the
world that they don’t. Once again — what is the relevance of it?
Why build a campaign plank against it? Why accept support from
*overt* blatant anti-Semites like Willis Carto? Why banking,
if not to appeal to the old canards of the International Jewish
Banking Conspiracy?

>If anyone can produce SUBSTANTIAL evidence that Bo Gritz is either
>anti-Semitic or white racist as I define those terms, I will turn away
>from him in total disgust.
>
>Afterall my wife and three children are mestizo and I have Jewish
>ancestry that I am very proud of. I detest anti-Semites and white
>racists.
>
>Oddly enough, I have never seen convincing evidence that Bo Gritz is
>either.

I’m sorry you feel that way. What evidence would you require, aside
from a willingness to be on the same ticket as David Duke, accepting
funding from Willis Carto, and making false accusations reminiscent of
“The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”? David Duke never stands up and
says “I hate blacks,” and Bo Gritz is never going to stand up and
say “I hate Jews” — he’s always going to phrase his anti-Semitism in
terms of supporting groups that think the Holocaust is a hoax and
in campaign literature where he speaks of the need to stop “Jewish bankers.”

I hope, for your sake, if Gritz does come to power, that your Jewish
ancestry dates back more than three generations.
—
ted frank | [email protected]
standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
never shout movie in a crowded firestation

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From: [email protected] (Jason Yanowitz)
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The notion that Bo Gritz isn’t a racist, anti-semitic, sexist pig
is grounded in a skewed sense of reality. He’s the head of the Populist
Party, a proto-fascist/extreme right-wing organization that’s based
in the Mid-West (they try to get farmers on their side, a la the old
Populist Party. guess who they attack a lot — that’s right, the
the “Jewish-controlled banking system”). To question Chip Berlet’s
scholarship ad hominem (sp) is a pathetic move. PLEASE do a little
research into these people (and even if you dislike Chip Berlet, his
assessment of Bo Gritz is certainly accurate).

I’d apologize for using the bandwidth, but the notion that Bo Gritz is
anything other than bigot must be stopped — he and his ilk are gaining
ground in the Mid-West, after all.

—

Jason Yanowitz | PGP 2.0 key available via fingering and email.
[email protected] | [Space currently vacant].
“A pox on Columbus” — Bernstein, in the file _Hester Street_

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In article <1993Jan12.23[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
}In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (John W. Redelfs) writes:
}>I think you may be right, Ted, but I just don’t know. I’d like a little
}>more to go on than your say-so. Where did you get this information?
}
}Public knowledge. Look it up. Do a database search. It’s not hidden;
}a newspaper or three will do an article on Gritz fairly often.
}
}>Except for some pretty solid stuff that I’ve received from Chip Berlet
}>establishing that he’s associated with some pretty seedy characters a
}>while back, I’ve found verifiable information about Gritz pretty hard to
}>come by.
}
}There was a recent good book published about MIA-con-men in general,
}part of it was excerpted in the January 1991 _Atlantic_.
}
}>Calling someone a villian doesn’t make him one unless he’s actually done
}>or said something wrong. Ideology alone doesn’t make someone a villian.
}
}I disagree with the latter statement. At what point did Hitler become
}a villian? Do we have to wait for the first Jews to enter the camps?
}
}>How can we know for sure that Gritz is a liar? How can we know for sure
}>that he is a anti-Semitic white racist? To be sure, we need more than
}>just a lot of people saying he is these things. Rumors and gossip
}>aren’t evidence.
}>
}>I understand that he once wrote that some of the families that own the
}>Federal Reserve are Jewish. Is saying this anti-Semitic?
}
}Yes. Why?
}
}1) It’s false. The Federal Reserve is owned and fully controlled
} by the United States government.
}

Just for clarification, the Federal Reserve is a group of privately owned
banks, not part of the federal government.

—
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| Richard B. Schwartzman, RBS Communications |
| Media Coordinator, DE. Libertarian Party |
| [email protected] |
| (302) 455-0354 |
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From: [email protected] (Daniel Segard)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz vs Chip Berlet
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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References: <[email protected]> <[email protected] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 15:35:50 GMT Lines: 59 [email protected] (Ted Frank) writes: >>I understand that he once wrote that some of the families that own the
>>Federal Reserve are Jewish. Is saying this anti-Semitic?
>
> Yes. Why?
>
> 1) It’s false. The Federal Reserve is owned and fully controlled
> by the United States government.

The Federal Reserve is one thing which we here about over and over
again by the neo-nazi types. Much of this I believe relates directly back
to Eustice Mullins, who has already been discussed at length here and is a
known neo-nazi, anti-semetic, new age flake.
To counter Mullins’ charges about the Federal Reserve being
privately owned (charges which are also claimed by Lyndon Larouch and
others), it seems to me that it would be a good idea to provide a quick
overview in the FAQ about how the Federal Reserve bank is actually run.
The flakes have lots of interesting “stories” which they tell about the FR:
supposedly owned by Jews, or controled by the banking community of London,
or that the value of the dollar is set daily by the street value of heroin
in Hong Kong, etc. But obviously none of these funny stories would compare
to some good solid documentation on what branch of the government actually
controls the FR, how their policy is set, who appoints the people who
control the FR, etc.

>2) It’s a clear appeal to anti-Semites to join him, guised in such
> language so that people like you are willing to dismiss charges
> of anti-Semitism. The idea of a conspiracy being led by “Jewish
> bankers” is over a century old, and has been told by anti-Semites
> on at least four or five different continents. And never has it
> been true.

The Federal Reserve only dates back to like 1918 or somewhere in
there. But yes, the stories go back much further. The actual roots go all
the way back to the Dark Ages, and it is good to point out exactly *why*
the Jews were involved in banking back then. The problem can be laid
squarely on the door of the Christian Church. They prohibited all Gentiles
from loaning money, they severely restricted what trades Jews could be
involved in; and as a result many Jews were involved in loaning money at
interest. How much any of these “Jewish bankers” communicated with each
other might be anybody’s guess. But even if they were setting interest
rates as a group I don’t know that this would qualify as being a
“conspiracy”.

>3) Let’s assume counterfactually for a second that the FRB *was*
> controlled by Jews. What purpose does it serve to note that
> some government officials happen to be of a particular religion?
> Of what relevance is it, if not to cast aspersions on them for
> their religion?

When the flakes start taking potshots at Jews, you will find that
they pay very little attention to the question of whether the “Jew” in
question is religiously observant or not. If they find that a person whom
they want to attack has any Jewish ancestory anywhere in their background,
they automatically paint that person as a Jew and then paint all Jewish
people as being like the one person. Bigotry by any other name….

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From: [email protected] (Daniel Segard)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz vs Chip Berlet
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References: <[email protected]> <1993Jan12.230503.25883@mi Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 15:48:11 GMT Lines: 20 [email protected] (Rich Schwartzman) writes: >}>I understand that he once wrote that some of the families that own the
>}>Federal Reserve are Jewish. Is saying this anti-Semitic?
>}
>}Yes. Why?
>}
>}1) It’s false. The Federal Reserve is owned and fully controlled
>} by the United States government.
>}
>
> Just for clarification, the Federal Reserve is a group of
> privately owned banks, not part of the federal government.

Okay, we have some apparent disagreement here. Which of you is
correct? (Naturally I expect both of you to raise your hand and say “I’m
right”, therefore documentation would be good.)

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From: [email protected] (Rich Schwartzman)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz vs Chip Berlet
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Daniel Segard) writes:
}
} [email protected] (Rich Schwartzman) writes:
}
} >}>I understand that he once wrote that some of the families that own the
} >}>Federal Reserve are Jewish. Is saying this anti-Semitic?
} >}
} >}Yes. Why?
} >}
} >}1) It’s false. The Federal Reserve is owned and fully controlled
} >} by the United States government.
} >}
} >
} > Just for clarification, the Federal Reserve is a group of
} > privately owned banks, not part of the federal government.
}
} Okay, we have some apparent disagreement here. Which of you is
}correct? (Naturally I expect both of you to raise your hand and say “I’m
}right”, therefore documentation would be good.)

In a 1966 essay titled Gold and Economic Freedom, Alan Greenspan, the
current head of the FED, states the ownership of the Federal Reserve is by
a group of private banks.

soc.culture.jewish is not the place for a discourse on secular philosophy,
but the essay can be found in Ayn Rand’s Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal.

Peace and Liberty,

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| Media Coordinator, DE. Libertarian Party |
| [email protected] |
| (302) 455-0354 |
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From: [email protected] (John W. Redelfs)
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Subject: Flakes and the FED
Date: 13 Jan 1993 21:58:34 GMT
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Are right-wing conspiracy types all flakes, or only some of them? Are
there any Jewish flakes? What makes someone a flake?

I asked a few honest questions about Bo Gritz, the Federal Reserve Board
and I received massive retaliation lumping me in with neo-Nazi white
racist anti-Semitic “flakes.”

Well, the truth is hard enough to figure out without a lot of name
calling and emotional cant containing zero useful information.

If this is typical leftist, pro-Jewish rhetoric, no wonder the right is
growing so rapidly in this country.
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———— John W. Redelfs, [email protected] ————-

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From: [email protected] (Daniel Segard)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz vs Chip Berlet
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References: <1993Jan12.230503.25883@mi <[email protected] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 22:00:10 GMT Lines: 33 [email protected] (Rich Schwartzman) writes: >} > Just for clarification, the Federal Reserve is a group of
>} > privately owned banks, not part of the federal government.
>}
>} Okay, we have some apparent disagreement here. Which of you is
>}correct? (Naturally I expect both of you to raise your hand and say
“I’m
>}right”, therefore documentation would be good.)
>
> In a 1966 essay titled Gold and Economic Freedom, Alan Greenspan,
> the current head of the FED, states the ownership of the Federal
> Reserve is by a group of private banks.

Well, he would certainly be in a position to know. I wonder what
those “private banks” are and who actually controls them. (Maybe it will
be Anglicans… )

> soc.culture.jewish is not the place for a discourse on secular
> philosophy, but the essay can be found in Ayn Rand’s Capitalism: The
> Unknown Ideal.

Sorry about that, I was reading alt.revisionism when I wrote the
followup. Looking more carefully I see that it is going to scj as well as
alt.conspiracy. (And if we are going to get into a discussion of a bunch
of private banks running the Federal Reserve then alt.conspiracy would
probably be a reasonable place to have this cross-posted to.)
I don’t have the ability to set the followup with this editor, so if
anyone else is following up this article, please remove scj from the
distribution. Thanks.

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From: [email protected] (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Flakes and the FED
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (John W. Redelfs) writes:
>
>Are right-wing conspiracy types all flakes, or only some of them? Are
>there any Jewish flakes? What makes someone a flake?

A “flake” is one who not only believes in a manifestly impossible event
against all evidence, but insists upon making it the core of his presidential
campaign. Thus, when Bo Gritz suggests “solving” the deficit problem
by printing a four-trillion-dollar bill and giving it to the Jewish
bankers who control the Federal Reserve Bank, he qualifies for flakehood
by the sheer unreasonableness of his proposal. I count at least four or
five complete untruths that it’s based on, and could probably think of more
if I bothered.

His obsession with UPC symbols is another hint.

>I asked a few honest questions about Bo Gritz, the Federal Reserve Board
>and I received massive retaliation lumping me in with neo-Nazi white
>racist anti-Semitic “flakes.”

I don’t recall anyone lumping *you* with neo-Nazi white racist anti-Semitic
flakes. Bo Gritz was lumped with neo-Nazi white racist anti-Semitic
flakes because he is a neo-Nazi white racist anti-Semitic flake.

>Well, the truth is hard enough to figure out without a lot of name
>calling and emotional cant containing zero useful information.
>
>If this is typical leftist, pro-Jewish rhetoric, no wonder the right is
>growing so rapidly in this country.

I promise you that I’m not a leftist. I don’t deny that I’m pro-Jewish,
but mostly because I don’t relish the thought of Nazis coming to power in
the country I love.

I haven’t engaged in any name-calling. Name-calling implies unreasonable
insults. I get very upset when “Nazi” gets thrown around at people who
clearly aren’t Nazis, because when real Nazis like Bo Gritz come around,
then people become skeptical because of all the prior crying of wolf.
—
ted frank | [email protected]
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the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
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From: [email protected] (Steve Crocker)
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In a post here Ted Frank quotes me quoting Chip Berlet on Gritz’s
“Lunatic conspiracy theories”. He omits the videotape transcript
in which Burmese drug lord Khun Sa names Shackley and Armitage et. al.
as drug traffickers. In another loaction Ted has referred apparently
to this tape as a “faked videotape”. Why do you say this, Ted? Is it
because the tape is produced by an individual you disaprove of and
presents evidence that you think is unlikely, or do you have something
more solid to go on? Charges of deliberately faking evidence of
wrongdoing of this magnitude are serious, and should not be made
lightly. Plus, if this is really fake, seeing how widely it has
been circulated, why haven’t Shackley or Armitage sued Gritz? And
as for Perot having Armitage followed, if Armitage is guilty of even
half of what he is accused of he darned well OUGHT to be followed,
and more, brought to justice.

-Steve

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From: [email protected] (Lance W. Bledsoe)
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Subject: Re: Bo Gritz vs Chip Berlet
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In article <1993Jan12.23[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (John W. Redelfs) writes:
>>I think you may be right, Ted, but I just don’t know. I’d like a little
>>more to go on than your say-so. Where did you get this information?
>
>Public knowledge. Look it up. Do a database search. It’s not hidden;
>a newspaper or three will do an article on Gritz fairly often.

Unfortunately, the common news sources are where Ted gets his incorrect
information.

>
>>Except for some pretty solid stuff that I’ve received from Chip Berlet
>>establishing that he’s associated with some pretty seedy characters a
>>while back, I’ve found verifiable information about Gritz pretty hard to
>>come by.
>
>There was a recent good book published about MIA-con-men in general,
>part of it was excerpted in the January 1991 _Atlantic_.

I think I will write a book about people from the university of chicago
that can’t get their facts straight. I guess you could quote from that
too. Would it be factual? I don’t know…

>>Calling someone a villian doesn’t make him one unless he’s actually done
>>or said something wrong. Ideology alone doesn’t make someone a villian.
>
>I disagree with the latter statement. At what point did Hitler become
>a villian? Do we have to wait for the first Jews to enter the camps?

A more serious villian is one who propogates falsehoods about people, and
refuses to do enough studying to find out the truth. See my quote
in my above mentioned book.

>>How can we know for sure that Gritz is a liar? How can we know for sure
>>that he is a anti-Semitic white racist? To be sure, we need more than
>>just a lot of people saying he is these things. Rumors and gossip
>>aren’t evidence.

>1) It’s false. The Federal Reserve is owned and fully controlled
> by the United States government.

Oh boy, there goes your credability. Anyone that has done ANY
research on the Federal Reserve knows it is owned by a consortium of
PRIVATE banks. The only “control” that the US Govt has on the FED is
through an *appointed* chairman that has a tenure of 12 years. You
obviously are way out of your sphere on knowledge on this one.

>2) It’s a clear appeal to anti-Semites to join him, guised in such
> language so that people like you are willing to dismiss charges
> of anti-Semitism. The idea of a conspiracy being led by “Jewish
> bankers” is over a century old, and has been told by anti-Semites
> on at least four or five different continents. And never has it
> been true.

On considering if Bo Gritz is an anti-semite, you should consider the
source of the charges. If Bo said that most of the owners of the Banks
that control the FED were Jewish, he would be mostly correct. That is
just a statement of fact. Most (all) of the Popes are Catholic. So…?
Most of the Presidents of the US were WASPS, so…? Does that mean I
hate WASPS? I hope not, I am one.

The fact is that the very people out to ruin thi country are the ones
trying to slander Bo Gritz. He has started to get under their skin,
so they’ve started a smear campaign aginst him, just like they have
done (did) in the 60’s aginst the John Birch Society. All they need
are a lot of lies, and a bunch of gullable people to gobble them up
and spew them wherever they can. (no offense intended)

>3) Let’s assume counterfactually for a second that the FRB *was*
> controlled by Jews. What purpose does it serve to note that
> some government officials happen to be of a particular religion?
> Of what relevance is it, if not to cast aspersions on them for
> their religion?

Hmmmm… There is hope.

>>It seems to
>>me that such would be the case only if he said these Jews were evil
>>BECAUSE they are Jewish or if it’s not true. If a bank is owned by a
>>Mormon family, does saying so make one an anti-Mormon? Some people
>>define anti-Semitism so broadly that almost nobody can escape the
>>appellation unless he is Jewish.
>
>Gritz is making a false claim that Jews have control over the
>world that they don’t. Once again — what is the relevance of it?
>Why build a campaign plank against it? Why accept support from
>*overt* blatant anti-Semites like Willis Carto? Why banking,
>if not to appeal to the old canards of the International Jewish
>Banking Conspiracy?

GRITZ NEVER MADE THAT CLAIM.

Let me try again…

GRITZ NEVER MADE THAT CLAIM.

The Federal Reserve is controller by a bunch of internationalist bankers
that have only their own personal desire for power and money in mind.
SOME OF THEM HAPPEN TO BE JEWS. So what.

>>If anyone can produce SUBSTANTIAL evidence that Bo Gritz is either
>>anti-Semitic or white racist as I define those terms, I will turn away
>>from him in total disgust.
>>
>>Afterall my wife and three children are mestizo and I have Jewish
>>ancestry that I am very proud of. I detest anti-Semites and white
>>racists.
>>
>>Oddly enough, I have never seen convincing evidence that Bo Gritz is
>>either.
>
>I’m sorry you feel that way. What evidence would you require, aside
>from a willingness to be on the same ticket as David Duke, accepting
>funding from Willis Carto, and making false accusations reminiscent of
>”The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”? David Duke never stands up and
>says “I hate blacks,” and Bo Gritz is never going to stand up and
>say “I hate Jews” — he’s always going to phrase his anti-Semitism in
>terms of supporting groups that think the Holocaust is a hoax and
>in campaign literature where he speaks of the need to stop “Jewish bankers.”

“the same ticket with David Duke”????? Give me a break.
Mabey we all should start making up lies about you. Then you could spend
most of your time trying to refute them. I thought that you just didn’t know
what you were talking about, but now I KNOW that you are intentionally
LYING.

>I hope, for your sake, if Gritz does come to power, that your Jewish
>ancestry dates back more than three generations.

More absolute hate and lies from the “diary of Ted Frank”…

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| Lance W. Bledsoe [email protected] (512) 258-0112 |
| “Ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you free.” |
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From: [email protected] (Ted Frank)
Subject: Federal Reserve Bank and Jews
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Daniel Segard) writes:
> [email protected] (Rich Schwartzman) writes:
>
> >}>I understand that he once wrote that some of the families that own the
> >}>Federal Reserve are Jewish. Is saying this anti-Semitic?
> >}
> >}Yes. Why?
> >}
> >}1) It’s false. The Federal Reserve is owned and fully controlled
> >} by the United States government.
> >}
> > Just for clarification, the Federal Reserve is a group of
> > privately owned banks, not part of the federal government.
>
> Okay, we have some apparent disagreement here. Which of you is
>correct? (Naturally I expect both of you to raise your hand and say “I’m
>right”, therefore documentation would be good.)

I’m right.

You want documentation? Check the statutes that authorize all of the
powers of the Federal Reserve Banks, 12 USC ss341 et seq.

Any power Federal Reserve Banks have is derived from these Acts
of Congress.

Last I checked, Jews didn’t control Congress, or the President, who
appoints governors to run the Federal Reserve.
—
ted frank | [email protected]
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the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
never shout movie in a crowded firestation

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In article <1993Jan13.2[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
>
>The urban legend that the Catholics made Jewish banking possible is
>false. Further historical research has indicated that the reason
>the Church issued so many proclamations against “usury” was because
>they were so spectacularly unsuccessful at preventing Christians from
>charging high rates of interest.
>
>Any success Jewish bankers had came from (1) charging lower rates of
>interest, and (2) being easy to stiff, as Jewish bankers had little
>recourse from the governments of the day.

Well, yes and no. It was a very popular scam in the Middle Ages for a
Christian monarch to invite the Jews into his country, offering the protection
of the crown, in order to borrow *gobs* of money from them for foreign wars,
tourneys, or other aristocratic entertainments. When he had run-up a large
tab, he would simply declare that the Jews were Enemies of Christ or The
State, or something, kick the Jews out, and repudiate all debt. No fuss,
no muss. Philip IV of France was the most blatant perpetrator of this
practice, but of course he also was happy to obliterate the Christian
Knights Templar to get at their money, so I guess you would have to call him
egalitarian in his greed.

—Bill VanHorne

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Warre; which provideth for every man, by Victory or Death” – Hobbes “Leviathan”
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>[email protected] (Daniel Segard) writes:
>> The Federal Reserve is one thing which we hear about over and
over
>>again by the neo-nazi types. Much of this I believe relates directly
back
>>to Eustice Mullins, who has already been discussed at length here and
is a
>>known neo-nazi, anti-semetic, new age flake.
>
> Why is it that whenever people start telling the facts about
> tyrants that just happen to be of Jewish origin, everybody starts
> yelling “neo-nazi”, “anti-sematic” or “Jew Hater”.

I wasn’t “yelling”, rather I was just stating the facts. Neither was
I claiming that all who investigate the Federal Reserve with a critical
opinion are automatically anti-semetic. The fact remains that the neo-nazi
types are very often heard to complain of the Federal Reserve. And as a
result many others shy away from such investigations.
My claim that much of it is based on the works of Eustice Mullins as
a source stands. And I stand by my description of Eustice Mullins as a
“neo-nazi, anit-semetic, new age flake” with the possible exception of the
“neo-” part. He was backing Nazi party goals long ago enough that he could
probably qualify as being a real Nazi.

> It seems that is is fashionable for people in this country, that
> when faced with sombody they don’t like, jump to label him as a
> “Jew Hater”.

There are plenty of people whom I don’t like, that I don’t consider
to be “Jew Haters”.

> Why can’t people be just a criminal, instead of a
> Jew-criminal. I suspect that, if a Jew went into a fast food
> restaurant and then shot 35 people, the person reporting the
> story would be labeled as anit-sematic.

Sort of would depend upon how the person reported the story. The same
would go for a story about someone that was Christian who did similar
crimes. If the story said something like “fundamentalist Christians, Mr
John Doe, went into a restaurant and killed 35 people today. The rising
force of fundamentalist Christianity worries many experts”, then obviously
I think you would find many Christians who were worried about that reporter
as well. So it is the *way* in the information of the criminal’s religious
affiliation is mentioned that is being questioned in such cases. If the
reporter attempts to go from the isolated crime, to smear the group as a
whole, then that group is going to have problems with it.

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Memo from Chip Berlet
Re: Gritz and Duke

>In article ,
>”David A. Byler” cmu.edu> writes:
>> We are given the following news by Brad Pierce:
>>
>>> Yet four years ago, Bo Gritz (rhymes with Knights)
>>>accepted a nomination to run for Vice-President of the United
>>>States on a ticket with “former” Ku Klux Klan grand dragon
>>>David Duke, from the Populist Party…..
>>
>> If the article starts off with a lie, why should we trust the rest of
>> it? Bo Gritz quit the Populist Party ticket after Duke was nominated as
>> the Presidential hopeful. Perhaps, when these folks get their facts
>> straight for once, people might begin to take them seriously.
>>
>> Andy Byler
>>
>
>I think the real fleas Gritz has had to put up with are
>found in such disinformation about him that you [Byler] put into
>proper focus.
>
>Some while back I ran a Duke/Gritz word check on
>a number of journals and never found their names connected which
>made me quite suspicious of this accusation concerning him. The
>same check yielded quite a bit about either person separately. I
>also asked on the net if anyone in networld had ever seen their
>names on the ballot together and got absolutely no response. I
>despise seeing decent patriots who have had their lives on the line
>more than once maligned with such careless abandon. Talk about
>hate speech…
>
>-Joe Gaut

Congratulations, Joe and Andy, for demonstrating that you are
both willing to call persons with whom you disagree liars and
disinformation spreaders while not getting your own facts
straight.

Gritz posed for pictures shaking hands with Duke after accepting the
nomination of the Populist Party as Duke’s 1988 first vice-presidential
running mate. The newspaper ran the photo along with an
interview where Gritz acknowledges he had heard about Duke’s
past affiliations, but now considered him a fine pro-American.

Some weeks later, Gritz dropped off the ticket to run for local
office. It was a very long time before Gritz began to claim that
he dropped off the 1988 Populist party ticket because of Duke’s
nomination. Given the photo and the interview, the claim that Gritz
dropped off the ticket as soon as he learned of Duke’s nomination
is a complete fabrication.

I will send a photocopy of the Duke/Gritz photo to anyone
who sends a stamped, self-addressed business envelope
to my office:

Political Research Associates
678 Mass. Ave., #712
Cambridge, MA 02139

Even “Readers Digest” has called the Populist party a
haven for neo-Nazis and ex-klansmen.

The Populist Party was founded by Hitler apologist Willis Carto.

Bo Gritz is the point man in an effort to build a coalition of
white supremacists, anti-Jewish bigots, neo-fascists, and
paranoid gun nuts.

Gritz promotes the ideas of the Christian Identity movement,
although he sometimes claims he is not a follower of Identity.

Gritz has repeatedly praised and participated in Christian
Identity events, here are excerpts from his speech at a Christian
Identity meeting hosted by Identity preacher Pete Peters, a raving
anti-Jewish bigot:

Gritz:
“I believe that the Identity Christian Movement will continue
to grow in this nation until it is able to stand self-sufficient
in spite of the government….Basically the Zionists are taking
over and we Christians are being formed into small pockets that
have to go to camps twice a year to learn what’s going on….The
enemy you face today is a satanic overthrow where he would change
the United States of America, a nation under God, into USA
incorporated with King George as chariman of the board, and a
Zionist group that would rule over us as long as satan might be on
earth….I am telling you that he (God) has given us all that we
need. He’s given us the likes of Pete Peters, he’s given us the
likes of the Identity Christian movement.”
-Source, , Center for Democratic Renewal
(Atlanta), December
1991, page 19.

An aide to Gritz told one Idaho newspaper that Gritz combined
elements of Christian Identity, Mormonism and the Baptist faith.

>From The Idaho Falls , September 13, 1992 (page
B6):
“[Our] editorial should have said that Gritz adheres to less
strident views of the Christian Identity movement. There are a
number of Christian Identity Churches. A national spokesman for
Gritz, Jack McLamb, has told Associated Press that Gritz adheres
to a blend of Christian Identity, Baptist, and LDS [Mormon]
beliefs. Whether he is a member of the LDS Church or not has not
been able to be confirmed despite repeated calls to a Gritz number
identified by an answering machine as the Center for Action. –
Editor.”

Gritz: “Eight Jewish families virtually control the entire
FED–only three are American jews [sic].” “Called to Serve,” page
609.

In a speech at Identity pastor Pete Peter’s Colorado headquarters,
Gritz acknowledged that Peters had helped publish and distribute his
book “Called to Serve”, which is used to promote the Gritz
presidential campaign.

Christian Identity is a religion that sees Jews as agents of
Satan and considers African-Americans to be sub-human. Identity
claims the United States is the real promised land and white
Christians are the real children of Israel. Many proponents of
Christian Identity seek to overthrow the “Zionist
Occupational Government” in Washington, D.C. and establish an
exclusively white Christian nation, or at least seize the states
of the pacific northwest.

Gritz primarily seeks to build networks of support in reactionary
and far-right circles. He made a presentation on “MIA/POW &
Government Drug Dealers” at the Third Christian Heritage
National Conference held in November of 1990 in Florida. Among
other featured speakers were Bob Weems, Pete Peters, Col. Jack
Mohr and other persons who promote Christian Identity. Also
speaking were Eustace Mullins, who provided the “Total
Conspiracy Update,” and A.J. Barker, national chairman of the
Populist Party.

Gritz claims he opposes racism and is trying to clean up the
Populist Party. But Gritz continuously misrepresents the nature
of the Populist Party and its ongoing leadership. An article in
the September 1992 “Soldier of Fortune” magazine notes:

“Gritz also said he does not know Jerry Pope, chairman of
Kentucky’s Populist Party. Pope was once a prominent figure in
the National States Rights Party founded by racist J.B. Stoner,
who was imprisoned for the deaths of black children in the
bombing of a Sunday school class in Birmingham, Alabama.”
Pope and Gritz are both listed as being on the Board of Advisers
to the Populist Action Committee run by Liberty Lobby.

The Populist Party began promoting Gritz for President in the
summer of 1991. The banner headline in the June, 1991 issue of
“The Populist Observer: Voice of the Populist Party” was
“Groundswell Building For Gritz Presidential Run.” Gritz
had addressed the Populist Party national convention in May 1991.
The following month, “The Populist Observer” ran another banner
headline proclaiming: “Gritz Populist Party Candidacy for
President Official! ”

In a memo sent to Populist Party regulars by Chair Don Wassall,
and signed by 11 Populist Party Executive Committee members,
Wassall wrote that “We are reaching out to new people, and we
have a tremendous presidential candidate in Bo Gritz.”
Campaign flyers mailed from the Populist Party headquarters are
headlined “Bo Gritz for President…Vote Populist Party.”

In the June, 1991 issue of “The Populist Observer”, Gritz wrote,
“I call upon you as Republican, Democrat, Libertarian,
Independent, right, left, conservative, liberal, et.al., to UNITE
AS POPULISTS [emphasis in original] until we have our nation
firmly back on her feet.” Gritz told the audience at a July,
1991 meeting in Palo Alto, California that they should reach out
and attempt to recruit persons from the left.

While Willis Carto was one of the key founders of the Populist
Party, the Party is now under the control of Don Wassall who is
feuding with Willis Carto and the Liberty Lobby over control of
the movement. According to the May 1992 issue of “The Monitor”,
“Wassall’s Populist Party has been forced to take a back seat
as Gritz has cobbled together his own organization, the America
First! Coalition.”

But as the Monitor explains, “Gritz’s standard stump speech
is an amalgam of themes popular among white supremacists and
others on the far right: the Federal Reserve System is
unconstitutional and should be abolished and a vast conspiracy of
“internationalists” are taking over the world.”

Gritz was heavily promoted by the Carto forces as early as the
summer of 1987 when Gritz was holding press conferences charging
that key U.S. government officials were the “biggest
customers” of the world’s leading “drug lord,” Gen.
Khun Sa of Burma. [See: Valentine, Paul, “Media Blacks Out Drug
Story: `Bo’ Gritz Charges Conspiracy”, “The Spotlight”, July
13, 1987, p. 1.]

In a January 3, 1992 letter to Willis Carto, Gritz urged the
warring factions in the Populist Party to cease their bickering,
and told Carto he was “seeking cooperation between you and
your former allies.” He also wrote “During my first
meeting with Don and Phil as a Populist candidate, I expressed
utmost concern over accountability of funds,” thus clearly
acknowledging that he considered himself the 1992 Populist Party
candidate.

-Chip Berlet

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From: [email protected] (Richard Hatch)
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Subject: Gritz Apologists
Date: 10 Dec 1992 03:36:44 GMT
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I find it interesting that those who attack people like Chip
Berlet often make very vague, negative assertions about the
evidence. For example, they claim to have searched far and wide
for evidence, but don’t say where. I have yet to see anyone
actually prove specific factual claims by Berlet or the PART
report to be false. It seems to be rather unfair to characterize
a source as “lying” or spreading disinformation without concrete
evidence that is indepentently verifiable by others.
I would like to point out that the nominations of David Duke and
James “Bo” Gritz as Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates
of the Populist Party were reported in the March 28, 1988 issue
of Spotlight newspaper. The articles on page 4 and 5 show a photo
of David Duke and Gritz side-by-side, firmly clasping hands after
their nominations. Gritz is quoted as saying “There is nothing in
the Populist Party platform I don’t agree with.” Is there anyone
who can provide evidence (independently verifiable) that these
articles are inaccurate?
Also, Gritz’s own book mentions his connection to Identity
Christian preacher Pete Peters. More about Peters can be found in
the book The Silent Brotherhood: Inside America’s Racist
Underground by Kevin Flynn and Gary Gerhardt (Free Press, 1989).

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[email protected] (Jason Yanowitz) writes:
: The notion that Bo Gritz isn’t a racist, anti-semitic, sexist pig
: is grounded in a skewed sense of reality. He’s the head of the Populist
: Party, a proto-fascist/extreme right-wing organization that’s based
:
Your display abject ignorance of the Populist Party. Like all political
parties, this one occasionally picks a real ringer to head the ticket and
Grits is a first class loony put he in no way runs the party.

The simple objective of the populist party is to put the people first and
your smearing it with fascist jewhating rhetoric does not make reality
out of your igrnorant lies.

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In article [email protected] (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>[email protected] (Jason Yanowitz) writes:
>: The notion that Bo Gritz isn’t a racist, anti-semitic, sexist pig
>: is grounded in a skewed sense of reality. He’s the head of the Populist
>: Party, a proto-fascist/extreme right-wing organization that’s based
>:
>Your display abject ignorance of the Populist Party. Like all political
>parties, this one occasionally picks a real ringer to head the ticket and
>Grits is a first class loony put he in no way runs the party.
>
>The simple objective of the populist party is to put the people first and
>your smearing it with fascist jewhating rhetoric does not make reality
>out of your igrnorant lies.

I think Jack Schmidling’s endorsement of the Populist Party is sufficient
information to confirm its anti-Semitism.

Of course, the Populist Party has, in the past, nominated David Duke to
be on its ticket, which should be indication enough.
—
ted frank | [email protected]
standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
never shout movie in a crowded firestation

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From: [email protected] (Richard Hatch)
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GRITZ, KHUN SA, AND IDENTITY CHRISTIANS
(Copyright 1993 Richard Hatch.)

Lt. Col. James “Bo” Gritz is a popular figure on the
right and among some progressives. His popularity stems from
the tales he tells about the United States government’s
involvement in the heroin trade and his own encounters with
heroin overlord Khun Sa.

Less widely known is Gritz’s long-time coalition work
with organized racist groups. Gritz launched his Khun Sa
publicity project with financial and tactical assistance
from Pastor Pete Peters’ “Identity” Christian organization.
“Identity” Christianity is the white supremacist “religious”
credo of the Aryan Nations movement. Over the years Gritz
has maintained significant collaborative relations with the
white supremacist movement and with some of the far-right
tax protestors who also adhere to “Identity” Christianity.

The following is a summary of Bo Gritz’s working
relationship within the “Identity” Christian movement.

Gritz in His Own Words

In Gritz’s most recent book _Called to Serve_[Lazarus
Publishing Company, 1991], he tells of a trip to the annual
summer encampment of Colorado Christian “Identity” Pastor
Pete Peters:

“Claudia [Gritz’s wife] thought it was a good idea
if we took a week off and attended a Christian
encampment in Colorado. I had been invited by Pastor
Pete Peters as a “mystery” speaker. I thought it would
be good to breathe clean Rocky Mountain air and relax
for a while. I could sketch out a battle plan and go to
work with a clear head…

The camp was a delight. We met a super singing group,
Barry, Anne, & Danny Byrd (The Watchmen), and a man
named Rudy Proctor…

After my talk at the Peter’s camp, the pastor and a
committee of deacons came to visit me in Las Vegas.
They wanted to help by sending a tape recorded message
and press release to every radio station and newspaper
in the country. Satisfied that I was serious about
pursuing Khun Sa’s offer until we had run those
implicated in the government to ground, Proctor paid
for the mail-out. I probably did 300 separate radio
shows.”
[Called to Serve, pg. 485-486]

Peters is a well-known Christian Identity preacher
whose radio programs can be heard across the US. On a
program aired on California station KPLA (770AM) on December
6, 1992, Peters promoted his pamphlet _A Scriptural
Understanding of the Race Issue_. Peters has been promoting
this particular pamphlet for some time. For those of you not
fortunate enough to own a collection of Peters’ literature,
you may read some basic facts concerning his La Porte,
Colorado church in _The Silent Brotherhood: Inside America’s
Racist Underground_, by Kevin Flynn and Gary Gerhardt [The
Free Press, 1989, for page numbers, see the index under
Laporte, Colorado].

Typical of Peters’ literature are the following quotes
from Cheri Peters’ [Pete’s wife] _For Women Only_ column:

Dr. Ruth Westheimer is not only a grave threat to our
used-to-be American decency, but I hope God someday
allows us to put a millstone around her neck and cast
her into the sea! …

I believe and teach that infidelity and homosexuality
are worthy of death and inter-racial marriage is a
blasphemy not only to Jesus Christ but our race.”

[_Scriptures for America_ September 1987 pg 15.]

“Now the 80’s generation is here, and with it the total
destruction of society. A society of disease-ridden,
brain burned out idolatrous mongrels! WE ARE THE PEOPLE
OF THE WORLD, A PEOPLE OF MIXED BREEDS OF PEPSI
LOVERS! ! (I wonder if they have tried breeding dogs and
cats together for that commercial. They have every
mixture together.)”

[_Scriptures for America_ October/November 1987 pg 15.]

At the camp the year before Gritz attended, the major
event was a ceremonious signing of the “Remnant Resolves,” a
Christian Identity pledge. In the final version of the
pledge, published and distributed to Pete Peters’ mailing
list, the pledge declares that:

“Inter-racial marriage pollutes the integrity of the
family.” [_The Remnant Resolves_ document, not dated]

This pledge was signed by various Identity Christian leaders
including Barry Byrd, a musician with the “super singing
group” Gritz referred to in _Called to Serve_.

Among the literature Pete Peters distributes is the spurious
_Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion_.

In a “Scriptures for America” newsletter, Peters
refers to the success of the “Bo Gritz project,” and
highlights the establishment of Gritz’s Centers for Action
in 47 states and the extensive media coverage Gritz received
for his drug story. [_Scriptures for America_ Volume VI,
1989, pg. 1]

Regardless of whether Gritz retained control of his own
media efforts, what is clear is that Gritz launched the Khun
Sa media blitz in collaboration with Christian Identity
activists who viewed Gritz’s efforts as a success. It was
Identity encampment participant Rudy Proctor who paid for
Gritz’s initial publicity campaign, which won him national
attention. Gritz’s popularity stems from his political
association with the pseudo-religious wing of the white
supremacist Aryan Nations movement.

GRITZ AND THE CHRISTIAN PATRIOT ASSOCIATION

Gritz has developed a working relationship with another
prominent Christian Identity activist, Richard Flowers, of
Boring, Oregon. Flowers heads the Christian Patriot
Association (CPA), a leading distributor of mail-order neo-
Nazi movement books and tapes. CPA also publishes _The
Patriot Review_ and Flowers sponsored a Gritz presidential
campaign trip to Oregon. In an Oregon newspaper profile of
the local white supremacist movement, Flowers conveyed these
views:

“The Bible says to stone them [homosexuals], but I’m
not sure we could get away with that in today’s
society, but you really wouldn’t need to shoot too many
of them to get the point across….

Blacks in general have a lower IQ than whites, and most
just want to come in and take over without establishing
anything themselves.” [_The Clackamas County Review_
week ending June 3, 1992, pg. 1-2]

In a recent issue of CPA’s _Patriot Review_, one
contributor lamented the poor situation of the “white race”
and asserted that “The term racism is a vicious propaganda
weapon used by bullies to silence the white race from
speaking the truth.” [_The Patriot Review_, November 1992]
This is just one sample of the content of CPA’s
publications.

The CPA distributes an array of literature and
audio/video tapes through their 76-page book catalog. [CPA
Book Publisher Book Catalog 1992-1993] Entire sections of
the catalog are devoted to “Christianity-Race-Religion” and
“The Jewish Issue.” Included are audio tapes from Posse
Comitatus movement leaders, such as James Wickstrom. [_Blood
in the Face_ by James Ridgeway, Thunder’s Mouth Press, 1990,
pg 133 supplies an example of a Wickstrom tape message.]
Also for sale are “Holocaust revisionism” tapes by David
Irving and “revisionist” books by Arthur Butz and Austin
App.

Gritz maintains a direct working relationship with the
Christian Patriot Association (CPA) through a coalition of
right-wing tax protest groups, the National Coalition to
Reform Money and Taxes (NCRMT.) Gritz’s own Center for
Action and the CPA, plus a number of other “patriot”
organizations are all allied in the NCRMT project to repeal
the income tax, return to the use of gold and silver, etc.
The January 1992 issue of _The Petitioner_, a newsletter
supported by three of the member groups of NCRMT, featured a
promotional interview with Gritz and his campaign manager
Charlie Brown and reported on Gritz’s participation in the
coalition.

Aside from his work with Pete Peters’ Identity group,
Gritz participates in a political project with CPA, yet
another element of the white supremacist movement.

Gritz writes a column called _The Colonel’s Corner_ for
his _Center for Action_ newsletter. The November 1992 issue
of CPA’s _Patriot Review_ reprinted one of Gritz’s columns.
In it, Gritz writes about his relationship with Willis Carto
and the Liberty Lobby’s Populist Action Committee:

I was asked to allow my name to be placed on the list
of policy board members of Carto’s Populist Action
Committee. I saw nothing wrong in this, but I must tell
you I have never received the first communication from
them.

In fact, Gritz was listed as a member of the Populist Action
Committee in several issues of Carto’s (Liberty Lobby)
_Spotlight_ newspaper, prior to his claim of not having
received any communication from the PAC.

Gritz collaborates actively and implicitly with Pete
Peters, the Christian Patriot Association, and the Populist
Action Committee. Gritz’s political commitments are a matter
of public record. His claims that he rejects racist and
anti-Jewish ideas do not apparently prevent him from
assisting those who do advocate those ideas.

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From: [email protected] (Steve Crocker)
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Subject: Re: Bo Gritz, Khun Sa, and Identity Christians
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I see no reason to question the facts in Richard Hatch’s informative
article, which appears to show beyond any reasonable doubt that Bo
Gritz collaborates with groups which have explicit racism as part of
their agenda. I think I would attribute a different significance to
those facts and associations than do those who see them as proof of
Col. Gritz’s “racism” and “fascism”. Politics is the art of coalition
building. I know of nobody who has accomplished anything substantial on
the stage of history without at the same time entering working alliances
with those who might hold beliefs repugnant to one’s own ideals. Now
any “progressives” who have never entered coalition with the likes of
Stalinists or Maoists may wish to dispute this, but I suspect your
numbers are few. Gritz is trying to accomplish what I believe to be
the morally worthwhile goal of exposing some particularly heinous
crimes of government officials. Just like any of us who work on our own
cars, Col. Gritz has used the tools available, and inevitably ended up
with greasy hands. I do not believe Gritz to be personally a white
racist, an anti-semite, or a fascist, although he clearly associates
with some such. I applaud him for being willing to ACT to expose the
likes of Shackley and Armitage, while progressives, with the courageous
exception of the Christic Institute, have sat on their hands to keep
them clean. I ask any thinking person who is the greater threat to
U.S. freedom and COnstitutional Government? Gritz and his allies or
Shackley and his (recall that the latter group would include George
Bush, et. al.) Let’s have a little more prespevtive and a little
less liberal hypocrisy!

-Steve

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From: [email protected] (John W. Redelfs)
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Date: 17 Jan 1993 08:00:53 GMT
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In a previous article, [email protected] (Steve Crocker) says:

>
>I see no reason to question the facts in Richard Hatch’s informative
>article, which appears to show beyond any reasonable doubt that Bo
>Gritz collaborates with groups which have explicit racism as part of
>their agenda. I think I would attribute a different significance to
>those facts and associations than do those who see them as proof of
>Col. Gritz’s “racism” and “fascism”. Politics is the art of coalition
>building. I know of nobody who has accomplished anything substantial on
>the stage of history without at the same time entering working alliances
>with those who might hold beliefs repugnant to one’s own ideals. Now
>any “progressives” who have never entered coalition with the likes of
>Stalinists or Maoists may wish to dispute this, but I suspect your
>numbers are few. Gritz is trying to accomplish what I believe to be
>the morally worthwhile goal of exposing some particularly heinous
>crimes of government officials. Just like any of us who work on our own
>cars, Col. Gritz has used the tools available, and inevitably ended up
>with greasy hands. I do not believe Gritz to be personally a white
>racist, an anti-semite, or a fascist, although he clearly associates
>with some such. I applaud him for being willing to ACT to expose the
>likes of Shackley and Armitage, while progressives, with the courageous
>exception of the Christic Institute, have sat on their hands to keep
>them clean. I ask any thinking person who is the greater threat to
>U.S. freedom and COnstitutional Government? Gritz and his allies or
>Shackley and his (recall that the latter group would include George
>Bush, et. al.) Let’s have a little more prespevtive and a little
>less liberal hypocrisy!
>
>-Steve
>
It is my opinion that Mr. Crocker presents a virtually airtight argument
here against condemning Bo Gritz for his so-called “guilt by
association.” I believe it is the task now for his enemies to document
by his words and deeds that Bo Gritz is, himself, either anti-Jewish,
white racist or both. If such could be demonstrated, most of Bo Gritz’s
followers would turn from him in disgust.

Excellent work, Mr. Crocker. Keep up the good work. If you fail to
convert any of the black-hats, at least you lend strength to the good
guys.
—

——— All my opinions are tentative pending further data. ———
———— John W. Redelfs, [email protected] ————-

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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz, Khun Sa, and Identity Christians
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (John W. Redelfs) writes:
>
> In a previous article, [email protected] (Steve Crocker) says:
>
>>
>>I see no reason to question the facts in Richard Hatch’s informative

etc., etc., etc.

>>-Steve
>>
> It is my opinion that Mr. Crocker presents a virtually airtight argument
> here against condemning Bo Gritz for his so-called “guilt by
> association.” I believe it is the task now for his enemies to document
> by his words and deeds that Bo Gritz is, himself, either anti-Jewish,
> white racist or both. If such could be demonstrated, most of Bo Gritz’s
> followers would turn from him in disgust.
>
> Excellent work, Mr. Crocker. Keep up the good work. If you fail to
> convert any of the black-hats, at least you lend strength to the good
> guys.
> —
>
>
> ——— All my opinions are tentative pending further data. ———
> ———— John W. Redelfs, [email protected] ————-

Ditto. So far the only case against Bo Gritz seems to be the “guilt by
association tarbrush” which can be applied to virtually any politician.
If such were applicable, then half of the Israeli electorate could be
considered racist for having supported the Likud party’s Itzhak Shamir,
known for hateful rhetoric against Arabs. I don’t think such logic works.

Negative attitudes towards the federal reserve, promotion of hard
currency ideas, and sympathy with various types of tax protests don’t
make a racist either. Obviously the country has serious problems and
much of the blame by definition must lie with the federal reserve and
its policies. Hard currency might be worth some re-examination since
our economy has been in an inflationary “float” without it for many years
now as our older citizens are systematically robbed of their savings
and our young people are discouraged to save. Further, a justified
tax protest movement started the ball rolling for our republic in the
first place.

The undercurrent I see in the attack on those such as Gritz is the
desire to further the agenda of the internationalists. The new world
[where’s the order] bunch finds patriots such Gritz in the way. The
same group of antagonists seems to find Ross Perot’s grass roots support
just as disturbing…perhaps more so since the increased sophistication
brings a wider appeal at the polls.

I further notice that some of Gritz’s antagonists, such as Chip Berlet,
frequently flood this newsgroup with material derisive about some
individual or cause. But I cannot recall postings from the same
that were actively expousing some cause. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe it
is there and just needs clarification. But I would like to know what
those in the Chip Berlet camp stand “FOR”. We know a lot about what
they are “AGAINST”. Maybe they offer some solutions other than just
the tearing down of solutions offered by others. What is their solution
for a troubled economy? What is their solution to violence in our
distraught inner cities. What do they think about NAFTA? Without
hearing such a program, it is hard not to conclude that the attack
on others with fresh ideas is nothing more than a defense of the status
quo, a status quo that obviously is not working.

-Joe Gaut

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From: [email protected] (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz, Khun Sa, and Identity Christians
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (John W. Redelfs) writes:
>It is my opinion that Mr. Crocker presents a virtually airtight argument
>here against condemning Bo Gritz for his so-called “guilt by
>association.” I believe it is the task now for his enemies to document
>by his words and deeds that Bo Gritz is, himself, either anti-Jewish,
>white racist or both.

Deeds: lending credibility to anti-Semites.
choosing to run on the same ticket as David Duke.

Words: maliciously lying about a conspiracy of “Jewish bankers.”
offering his whole-hearted support to the white supremacist Identity
Christians.

>If such could be demonstrated, most of Bo Gritz’s
>followers would turn from him in disgust.

What is it that requires demonstration? By the standard you are setting
for Bo Gritz, no one could prove that David Duke is racist. Or even
Hitler for that matter.

What would it take for you to change your mind? This is the third time
I’ve asked this question. Do you believe that there are no racists in
the US? Few have demonstrated their racism and anti-Semitism as clearly
as Bo Gritz.

For the third time, what evidence would you require to prove that Bo
Gritz is anti-Semitic? Someone else claimed it was running on the same
ticket as David Duke (which was fervently denied by the Gritzies until
someone came up with a photograph in Gritz’s anti-Semitic magazine showing
him shaking hands with Duke). What do you require, besides telling
anti-Semitic tales, consorting with and supporting racists and anti-Semites,
running on the same ticket as David Duke, and belonging to white supremacist
organizations?
—
ted frank | [email protected]
standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
never shout movie in a crowded firestation

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From: [email protected] (Ted Frank)
Subject: Bo Gritz and anti-Semitism
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In article <[email protected]> sb[email protected] (Seth “Gimpy” Bradley) writes:
>In article <1993Jan17[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
>>Negative attitudes towards the federal reserve, promotion of hard
>>currency ideas, and sympathy with various types of tax protests don’t
>>make a racist either. Obviously the country has serious problems and
>
>Please tell us why Gritz refers to the “Rockefeller/Rothschild” Federal Reserve
>System as being controlled by “seven Jewish families.” This is not simply
>an instance of “Negative attitudes towards the federal reserve” but _is_ an
>instance of making a special issue about religion.

Especially when the allegation is false.

Especially when it’s the same lie about “Jewish bankers” controlling
the world that’s been used for centuries to stir up hatred against Jews.

>This has been brought
>up time and again in this group, with silence in response from the Gritz
>supporters. Until this issue is addressed, defending Gritz as being non-
>anti-semitic will receive little credibility, IMO.

Agreed.
—
ted frank | [email protected]
standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
never shout movie in a crowded firestation

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From: [email protected] (Seth “Gimpy” Bradley)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz, Khun Sa, and Identity Christians
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In article <1993Jan17[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
>Negative attitudes towards the federal reserve, promotion of hard
>currency ideas, and sympathy with various types of tax protests don’t
>make a racist either. Obviously the country has serious problems and

Please tell us why Gritz refers to the “Rockefeller/Rothschild” Federal Reserve
System as being controlled by “seven Jewish families.” This is not simply
an instance of “Negative attitudes towards the federal reserve” but _is_ an
instance of making a special issue about religion. This has been brought
up time and again in this group, with silence in response from the Gritz
supporters. Until this issue is addressed, defending Gritz as being non-
anti-semitic will receive little credibility, IMO.
—
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Emergency Room doctors is that malpractice suits are rare. On the other
hand, ER doctors never have to deal with patients installing new versions
of their own innards! ” -Michael O’Brien

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From: [email protected] (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz and Racism
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Steve Crocker) writes:
>
>Ted, you say that Col. Gritz qualifies as an anti-semite by my
>definition. Could you indicate what remarks he has made critizing
>an individual for being Jewish, or negatively characterizing the
>Jewish people as a whole? I am not aware of such.

If you had read Chip’s post, he quoted Gritz:

Gritz:
“I believe that the Identity Christian Movement will continue
to grow in this nation until it is able to stand self-sufficient
in spite of the government….Basically the Zionists are taking
over and we Christians are being formed into small pockets that
have to go to camps twice a year to learn what’s going on….The
enemy you face today is a satanic overthrow where he would change
the United States of America, a nation under God, into USA
incorporated with King George as chariman of the board, and a
Zionist group that would rule over us as long as satan might be on
earth….I am telling you that he (God) has given us all that we
need. He’s given us the likes of Pete Peters, he’s given us the
likes of the Identity Christian movement.”
-Source, , Center for Democratic Renewal
(Atlanta), December 1991, page 19.

—
ted frank | [email protected]
standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
never shout movie in a crowded firestation

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From: [email protected] (Free Radical)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz and Populism
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Steve Crocker) writes:
>
>So Bo Gritz speaks at meetings with racists and is associated with
>racist organizations. I once marched in Washington DC right behind
>the contingent chanting Nixon ….. We Want You … DEAD! What is
>that supposed to imply about MY politics.

Steve – are you saying you marched _with_ those people, or _near_
them? There’s a big difference. Seems pretty clear to me Gritz is an
Identity Christian, especially given the quote approving of Peters &
the Identity movement.

>This is still all guilt
>by association. If anybody had anything more solid on Gritz, surely
>it would have surfaced by now.

By this logic, if he’s not out of the closet, he’s not gay. But
there’s lots of gays still in the closet. Follow me?

>ANd even if he WERE a racist, his
>information on Shackley, Armitage, et. al. should be considered
>and investigated.

Here, I _finally_ agree with you. Kinda scary.

RA

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From: [email protected] (Richard Hatch)
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Your opinion of the politics of the CARAF publication _Beyond the
Pale_ by Derrick Knight are irrelevant. The quotation I cited was
ultimately referenced to the _New Statesman_ November 4, 1977.
The politics of the British National Party are well known, even
here in the United States. I hope you are not so foolish as to
deny that the BNP is a fascist organization.

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[email protected] (Richard Hatch) writes:
>Your opinion of the politics of the CARAF publication _Beyond the
>Pale_ by Derrick Knight are irrelevant. The quotation I cited was
>ultimately referenced to the _New Statesman_ November 4, 1977.
>The politics of the British National Party are well known, even
>here in the United States. I hope you are not so foolish as to
>deny that the BNP is a fascist organization.

My opinion of the book is based not just on its biased political stance but
also on its collection of lies, half-truths, unwarranted assumptions and
general smear tactics that is uses – many directed against people that I
know personally.

As to the BNP, I have not examined its policies in detail and unable to
comment on whether it follows the classical fascist corporatism or not.

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Subject: Re: Bo Gritz and Racism
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Ted, are you suggesting that “Zionists”=”The Jewish People”? I
think we could find a lot of Jews to disagree with that one.
Gritz’s critism of Zionist political power may be exaggerated,
but it is not equivalent to an attack on the Jewish people. There
is a substantial number of Jews who are critical of Zionism, and
probably even more who are apolitical.

-Steve

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In article ,
[email protected] (Jack Schmidling) writes:
> In article <1993Jan17.184434.2860[email protected]> [email protected] (Mark C. Carroll) writes:
>>
>>Second: I’ve had some contact with the Populist party in New Jersey –
>>they picked up a pretty strong following in some areas of New Jersey
>>during the backlash against Governor Florio’s tax hikes. The populist
>>party is _not_ quite as you represent it. [deleted negative comments
>>about populist party]
>
> I have been to several meetings of the Illinos Populist Party and have
> never heard those terms used nor the ideas you suggest discussed. I have
> read their very excellent newsletter for a number of years and again
> suggest that your experience is not mine.
>
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I too have heard many times “the populist party wants to put
people first” Gosh what’s so bad about that? I guess nothing
if you’re one to judge an organization by its slogans.
Communist, socialist, democratic, republican, fascist parties
*all* have virtually identical slogans like this. So what! …

Here’s a summary of the recent history of the populist
party (ref: personal communication with Dennis King; investigative
journalist, and leading expert on Lyndon Larouche…wrote a great
book about it): The Populist Party ( & populism) has a long history
that goes back to the last century. Since the sixties it was pretty
much non-existent (it’s had lots of up & downs) until E. Carto dumped
a lot of money into it. Carto & Liberty Lobby had most of the influence
in party matters; but then every few years a local politician will
get involved with the party. In some cases he’ll be an old-fashioned
populist (who just wants to promote farming interests, populist economic
reform etc) and isn’t even very aware of Liberty Lobby. Some of these
guys will get substantial influence for a few years and then Carto
& Liberty Lobby will get the main control back. The Liberty Lobby
is always either calling the shots when able or making overtures to
the Populist Party (look at Spotlight, or Tom Valentine SW broadcasts
every-nite) to gain more influence. The libery lobby is never far away
though. Sometimes they call all the shots, and then for a few years
a maverick comes along and partially eclipses them, and then liberty
lobby pretends they are out front (and shortly they get their influence
back).

Sometimes it hard to tell the horse from the Carto! ! ! ! ! ! !
But through it all there *is* a cloud of suspicion over the populist
party and to be unaware of this would be a big mistake.
Sure, every now and then a maverick gets under the populist banner
and seems ok, and gets popular; but one shouldn’t be naive to the
big picture of the party.

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From: [email protected] (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz and Racism
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In article <1993Jan19.0951[email protected]> [email protected] (Steve Crocker) writes:
>
>Ted, are you suggesting that “Zionists”=”The Jewish People”? I
>think we could find a lot of Jews to disagree with that one.

It’s a standard code-word used to attack Jewish people and then
claim with all innocence “anti-Zionism isn’t anti-Semitism.”

Open your eyes, friend. If you’re looking for a statement to the
effect of “I hate all Jews and I’m an anti-Semite — oops, what a
giveaway! “, you’re not going to find it from Gritz any more than
you’re going to find it from David Duke.

Every single defense you’re using for Gritz can be applied to Duke,
which suggests to me that your standards for judging racism are a
hell of a lot too high. Which is curious — you’re willing to believe
charges against Armitage with no backing evidence, but suddenly your
skepticism-meter arises to unfulfillable levels when there is more thna
just a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing to the fact that Gritz
is an anti-Semite.

Let’s just say that any one of these things by itself, yeah, sure, that’s
not enough. But it’s not just one. It’s that *every* *single* *relevant*
statement or action by Gritz has anti-Semitic overtones (keyword is
relevant) — I have yet to see any evidence that he’s said anything
to defend himself from these accusations or done anything to disassociate
himself from the Nazis he supports.

>Gritz’s critism of Zionist political power may be exaggerated,
>but it is not equivalent to an attack on the Jewish people. There
>is a substantial number of Jews who are critical of Zionism, and
>probably even more who are apolitical.

You know that and I know that, but Gritz’s criticism of nonexistent
“Jewish bankers” indicates to me that he equates Zionists and Jews.
—
ted frank | [email protected]
standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637

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Subject: Re: Bo Gritz and Racism
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In article <1993Jan19.13[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.0951[email protected]> [email protected] (Steve Crocker) writes:
>>
>>Ted, are you suggesting that “Zionists”=”The Jewish People”? I
>>think we could find a lot of Jews to disagree with that one.
>
>It’s a standard code-word used to attack Jewish people and then
>claim with all innocence “anti-Zionism isn’t anti-Semitism.”

There was an article in today’s Boston Globe about a judge
who used the word “Canadian” to refer to Jews. He would say
things like “brr, it’s getting cold in here, must be a wind
from Canada”, or “Here comes the Montreal Express”, when
any Jewish lawyer was about to enter his courtroom. He
would also refer to “Canada” when talking about Israel,
and would talk about “Canadian preoccupation with money”.

I mean, I’ve heard Jews called lots of things before, but
Canadian?! Truly bizarre.

>You know that and I know that, but Gritz’s criticism of nonexistent
>”Jewish bankers” indicates to me that he equates Zionists and Jews.

The Globe also reported about a year ago that 9 of the 10
largest banks in the world are Japanese. How do the
international-Jewish-bankers-conspiracy fans fit this
information into their world view?

—peter

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In article <1993Jan18.1743[email protected]> [email protected] writes:

>Here’s a summary of the recent history of the populist
party …… The Populist Party ( & populism) has a long history
that goes back to the last century. Since the sixties it was pretty
much non-existent …..

Interesting how your summary of “recent history” contained not a single
recent fact.

It is interesting also how you equate the Populist Party with populism.

It’s sort of like suggesting that only Democrats are interested in democracy.

I was speaking for a very narrow segement of the the PP, i.e., the Illinois
Chapter which ran some very excellent candidates in the recent election. Bo
Gritz does not happen to be one of them and connecting everyone in the party
with him and his views is simply hate mongering.

I myself ran for Cook County Commissioner on the Populist ticket a few years
ago but that hardly makes me Fundamentalist loony like Gritz.

Jim Justice, an outstanding American ran for the U S Senate on the PP ticket
and expanded our choise beyond two raving Israel-firsters. Mosley-Braun
out-Israeled her opponent even though he wore a yarmulka when ever addressing
the Friends of Israel. It’s is real nice to have an alternative to the media
sanctioned candidates. I think Perot proved that and all you smearing of a
third party will not change things much.

js

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From: [email protected] (Ted Frank)
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Subject: Re: Racism and Bo Gritz
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (John W. Redelfs) writes:
>Part of the problem may be borderline paranoia. Are Birchers and other
>conspiracy theorists the only paranoids around?
>
>Just as some on the right see “a communist under every bed.” It seems
>that their are SOME Jews that see “an anti-Semite under every bed.”
>
>Could there be any truth to this?

Yes, there’s some truth to it. People unfairly criticize David Dinkins
and George Bush as anti-Semitic, for example. There was a debate within
the Jewish community over Pat Buchanan. There were very reasonable
arguments as to why one should consider Pat Buchanan an anti-Semite,
and very reasonable counter-arguments within the Jewish community
as to why one shouldn’t.

No such counter-arguments exist for Gritz.

Neither Dinkins nor Bush have ever run on the same ticket
as David Duke, nor have either ever endorsed the Identity Christian
movement, which calls Jews tools of Satan, nor have either called
for a revolution against “Zionists” who “control” the US government,
nor have either ever promulgated irresponsible malicious falsehoods
about “Jewish bankers” straight out of centuries-old anti-Semitic
propaganda. In my mind, any single one of these would be enough
to call into question whether someone was anti-Semitic,
and some would be enough to close the book on the matter. All four?
You can try to explain one of them away, but how can you explain away
all four? Beyond a reasonable doubt, Gritz is anti-Semitic.

It’s not like I’m going to wait until Gritz actually starts having
Jews killed to give him the label.

I’m going to ask you this for the fourth time, now. What is it that
you require to call someone “anti-Semitic”?

I won’t even get into the history of how “America First,” the
motto of Gritz, has been used by anti-Semites against Jews.

There’s a spectrum of anti-Semitism out there, and some people define
it way too broadly, and there’s a reasonable debate out there where the
line should be drawn, but it’s not like Bo Gritz is a borderline case
in a gray area. He’s off the scale. He’s about as virulent as they come.
—
ted frank | [email protected]
standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637

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Subject: Re: Bo Gritz vs Chip Berlet
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In article ,
[email protected] (Jack Schmidling) writes:
> In article <1993Jan18.1743[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
>
>
>
> >Here’s a summary of the recent history of the populist
> party …… The Populist Party ( & populism) has a long history
> that goes back to the last century. Since the sixties it was pretty
> much non-existent …..
>
> Interesting how your summary of “recent history” contained not a single
> recent fact.
>
Really? Just an overview. What about my mention of
the SW broadcasts from the Liberty Lobby. They are
being made today. What’s the exact relation of the
Liberty Lobby and the PP. WHo is funding who?

> It is interesting also how you equate the Populist Party with populism.
>
Where did I make that equation. I did not in fact.

> It’s sort of like suggesting that only Democrats are interested in democracy.
>
>
> I myself ran for Cook County Commissioner on the Populist ticket a few years
> ago but that hardly makes me Fundamentalist loony like Gritz.
>
So you think Gritz is a looney? Please answer this:
Is the Liberty Lobby running PP, funding PP, or is it
just that they are both funded from a common source?
What is Gritz’s position in the PP?

> Jim Justice, an outstanding American ran for the U S Senate on the PP ticket
> and expanded our choise beyond two raving Israel-firsters. Mosley-Braun
> out-Israeled her opponent even though he wore a yarmulka when ever addressing
> the Friends of Israel. It’s is real nice to have an alternative to the media
> sanctioned candidates. I think Perot proved that and all you smearing of a
> third party will not change things much.
>

Israel-firsters? Just tell us the relationship with Liberty
Lobby.

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————— FORWARDED POSTING ——————————-
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From: Matthew Lyons
Subject: OPIN/INFO: Bo Gritz, hero of the neo-Nazi movement
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 23:33:37 GMT

In the course of defending the nazi propaganda tabloid,
SPOTLIGHT, as a source of “truth” which is helping to avert
“genocide,” John DiNardo (Part IV, 12/11/91) made the following
assertion about Bo Gritz, Populist Party candidate for president:
“It’s…disgusting to see Bo Gritz, a great hero, affiliate himself
with the Populist Party. Bo Gritz, more than anyone, should know
that many thousands of American warriors and millions of human
beings, covering an array of nationalities and ethnicities, were
slaughtered by the fascist ideologies courted by the Liberty
Lobby.”

For those who would like to check this imaginative assessment
of Gritz against the man’s actual statements and actions, below are
two articles on Gritz from the December 1991 issue of THE MONITOR,
a publication of the Center for Democratic Renewal (CDR). CDR is
a leading center for anti-Nazi/Klan education and organizing in the
United States. For more information contact CDR, P.O. Box 50469,
Atlanta, GA 30302-0469; (404) 221-0025.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Claims he’s not a racist —
RAMBO HEADS POPULIST TICKET
(from THE MONITOR, December 1991)

Despite a series of internal disputes which have left it badly
divided, all the factions of the Populist Party appear to be
supporting a 1992 Presidential campaign by Col. Bo Gritz. A
popular speaker at Identity Bible camps, “survivalist” expositions
and other far right meetings, Gritz bills himself as the “most
decorated Green Beret Commander” and the model for the Rambo movie
character.
His resume reads like a hero out of a Robert Ludlum novel:
“Intelligence Officer & Reconnaissance Chief for Delta Force;
Principal Agent for National Security Council Intelligence Support
Activity; Karate 6th degree black belt; and fluent in Swahili and
Chinese Mandarin.” Gritz reportedly resigned from the military in
1979. The Populist Party’s newsletter claimed that Gritz had
killed “over 400 communists in his illustrious career.”
Gritz told the Liberty Lobby’s SPOTLIGHT tabloid that he
supported George Wallace’s segregationist Presidential bid in 1968.
Gritz went on to garner publicity with four “secret” trips to
Southeast Asia, ostensibly searching for P.O.W.s still held in
Vietnam.
In 1988 Gritz briefly accepted the Populist Party’s Vice
Presidential nomination to run along with Presidential candidate
David Duke. He stepped down shortly into the campaign however, to
run as a Republican for office in his home state of Nevada.
Gritz now claims that the Populist Party’s racist reputation
is due to David Duke bringing racist elements into the party when
Duke was the Party’s presidential candidate in 1988. But from the
moment of its formation in 1984 until today, the top leadership of
the Populist Party has always been filled with well-known white
supremacists.
For example, former Mississippi Klansman Robert Weems was the
party’s fist chairman. When Gritz accepted the nomination to run
with Duke, the vice-chair was Jerry Pope, a former National States
Rights Party executive committee member along with convicted church
bomber J.B. Stoner. Today, Californian Joe Fields is a prominent
member of the executive committee after a long career of open
adulation of Hitler.
There is, in fact, significant evidence that Gritz is quite
at home among white supremacists. Despite his Mormon heritage,
Gritz has been a frequent speaker at Christian Identity
conferences. Identity is the quasi-religious movement which claims
that people of color are less than human; that Jews are children
of the devil; and that white people of northern Europe are the
Biblical people of Israel who shall fight a race war in the United
States to gain redemption.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

BO GRITZ IN HIS OWN WORDS
(from THE MONITOR, December 1991)

The following are excerpts from a 1991 speech at an Identity
Bible Camp run by Pete Peters in western Colorado.
* “The enemy you face today is a satanic overthrow where he
would change the United States of America, a nation under God, into
USA Incorporated with King George as chairman of the board. And
a Zionist group that would rule over us as long as satan might be
upon this earth, that is your enemy.”
* “Do you think you’re lucky to be an American today? Do you
think you’re lucky to be an Identity Christian today? …I believe
that the Identity Christian movement will continue to grow in this
nation until it is able to stand self-sufficient in spite of the
government.”
* “Basically the Zionists are taking over and we Christians
are being formed into small pockets that have to go to camps twice
a year to learn what’s going on.”
* “I didn’t ask how or why, I just figured if it was meant to
happen, (publication of Gritz’ book CALLED TO SERVE – ed.) there
would be somebody there. And Pete Peters just happened to send me
a check and say, here Bo, we thought you might be needing this.
It just happened on the very day that we had to pay the final bill
on the book. So, the very first copies of the book will arrive
here (at the Bible camp in Colorado – ed.) by Air Express from
Michigan. Pete Peters will get the very first copy.”
* “I am telling you that he (God) has given us all that we
need. He’s given us the likes of Pete Peters, he’s given us the
likes of the Identity Christian movement.”

In his book CALLED TO SERVE, Gritz promotes anti-Semitic myths
about “international Jewish bankers.”
“Eight Jewish families virtually control the entire FED
(Federal Reserve System – ed) — only three are American jews
(sic)…Rotschilds of London and Berlin, Lazard Bros.-Paris,
Israel, Mossesschiff-Italy, Kuhn-Loeb–Germany, Warburg-Hamburg,
Lechman Bros-NY, Goldman and Sachs-NY and Rockefellers-NY.” p. 609.

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In article <1993Jan21.022014.[email protected]> [email protected] (Brad Pierce) writes:
>BO GRITZ IN HIS OWN WORDS
>(from THE MONITOR, December 1991)
>
> The following are excerpts from a 1991 speech at an Identity
>Bible Camp run by Pete Peters in western Colorado. […]
> * “Basically the Zionists are taking over and we Christians
>are being formed into small pockets that have to go to camps twice
>a year to learn what’s going on.”

I think this statement of Gritz’s basically refutes the notion that
he is distinguishing between “Zionists” and “Jews,” as some other
posters claimed.
—
ted frank | [email protected]
standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637

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According to his resume, Gritz served as “Principle Agent,
NSC, Intelligence Support Activity.” _The Iran-Contra Connection:
Secret Teams and Covert Operations in the Reagan Era_ [by
Johnathan Marshall, Peter Dale Scott, and Jane Hunter, South End
Press, 1987] reports that General Richard Secord, a close
associate of Theodore Shackley, “is said to have participated in
overseeing the Army’s shadowy Intelligence Support Activity.” It
is ironic that Gritz may have been working in a Secord directed
operation.

Furthermore, Gritz’s resume also claims that he “trained
Afghan Mujahideen Freedom Fighters.” The “Mujahideen” were, of
course, probably the largest CIA covert operation since the
Vietnam era and received billions of dollars in aid from the
United States, as well as from Iran-Contra figures such as Prince
Bandar of Saudi Arabia. One result of the US-backed war against
the Soviets in Afghanistan was a tremendous increase in opium
production in South-West Asia, especially Pakistan and
Afghanistan and a corresponding increase in heroin addiction in
the region. For example, opium production in Afghanistan
increased from 400-500 metric tons in 1985 to 700-800 metric tons
in 1988. One account reports:

An estimated 87 percent of all opium is grown in Nangarhar
province and in the Helmand valley, most of which are in the
hands of the rebels. Although rebel leaders have repeatedly
promised Washington that they would try to crack down on the
drug trade, it is an open secret that some rebely commanders
have used opium profits to help finance their operations
against the Soviet-backed Government of Afghanistan…

[American intelligence analysts] said they have long
suspected that planes, trucks, and mules ferrying American
military equipment into Afghanistan are also used to ship
drugs to Pakistan.
[The New York Times, 3-6-89]

Sound familiar? Was Gritz paid to train the “Mujahideeen”?
Or was it just charity? Was it CIA money, the Saudi Iran-Contra
connection, or the drug money? Will Gritz’s supporters call for
an investigation into Gritz’s work with the Intelligence Support
Activity and the Afghani “Freedom Fighters”?