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Griswold Leslie Article 7-1996

Daryl hoksch [email protected] writes:

(snip – lessons from another liberal asshole on how to be a man)

> Quit living in the past! This is the ’90s, and this is AMERICA.
> Remember, this is the country that practically begged Colin Powell (a
> black man) to run for president.

Colin Powell is not a black man. He’s a high-yaller mulatto. But I get
your point.

Americans “begging” a creature like Colin Powell to run for president…
that just shows how far indeed the American people have fallen.

> This is the country that wants INTEGRATION, not segregation.

Really? Then mind explaining the phenomenon of white flight from urban
centres where negroes, and other non-whites, move in?

> Just open your minds people. Quit repeating what you’ve always been taught
> and start thinking for yourselves.

Good advice for liberals.

Les

From [email protected] Mon Jul 1 10:19:58 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: WHAT IS YOUR GODDAMN PROBLEM?
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Look at what diversity can bring us!
Date: 26 Jun 1996 01:26:50 GMT
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Philip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:

(snip – Phil telling me why I shouldn’t call that race-traitor evil Beavis
a race-traitor, and a really nifty exchange of name-calling)

> : > And here you go making another stereotype (“that’s just so typical of
> : > you ….”), further proving just how bigotted you are.
>
> : It’s easy to sterotype about liberals. You’re all so freaking stupid, and
> : you all think alike.
>
> Bullshit. Something tells me you have a limited definition of
> liberals, because while I’m very much a diversified person on this,
> there aren’t too many liberal ideas I really agree with.

Diversified, my ass. You may THINK (well, what passes for thinking with
you) that you’re “diversified”, but you’re a stereotypical anti-(White)
racist.

> And you should be the last person to talk about anyone being stupid.
> You’re a miserable, closed-minded person full of hate. Now that, to me,
> is stupid. Race-based notions, which you have many of, are stupid. Truth
> is, no group of people are all exactly alike.

(BIG sigh)

And when did I ever say that they were, Pill? The point is, one has to
take RACES as a whole. Your freakish individualism is unique to whites. I’d
like to see how long you’d last with the “everyone’s an individual” crap
when you’re locked up with a jail cell full of niggers. That, by the way,
is the quickest way to wake up someone’s racial instincts.

Les

From [email protected] Mon Jul 1 10:20:02 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: The “best” of kinky Joel Rosenberg
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Ole Kreiberg ([email protected]) writes:
> This is one of crackpot Joel Rosenbergs deranged e-mails sent to and once
> posted by Ron Schoedel. I wonder what Joel’s employer would think about his
> sanity after reading this:
>
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> Date: 27 Nov 1995 23:33:33 GMT
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> Forwarded From: [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg)
> Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc
>
> Now, let me explain something to you, dog-boy. You’re not fooling
> anybody.
>
> When I come in and give you a hard time in your newsgroup — and, of
> course, these trashie newsgroups are yours, idiot — I’m pissing in your
> living room, metaphorically. It’s fun. It’s not nice, but what the heck;
> I don’t have to be nice to nazi trailer trash, and what do I care if
> alt.trash.white is unpleasant for its trashie clientele?
>
> There’s not a damn thing you can do about it. Except whine.
>
> The smartest thing to do would be to ignore it, to put up with the
> humiliation of constantly being asked whether or not you’re fucking
> your dog with whatever limited dignity you can muster. I know that’s
> kind of hard for a 20-year-old dropout who thinks his CB is the BBC,
> but what the hell.
>
> But nobody ever said you were smart.
>
> What you don’t want to do is have your trashie would-be recruits come in
> and see you writhing and moaning in your pissed-on living room. You ought
> to want to keep the place as clean as possible.
>
> So, what do you do? When I piss in your living room, you proudly stand
> up, drop your pants, and take a dump. In your own living room. And then
> you smile as you sit back down in it, as though you’ve gotten even with me.
> So I piss some more on your furniture, and then to get even with me even
> more, you start rubbing your own shit all over your face by forging. So, I
> put on my gloves rub it in your hair.
>
> (And you wonder why folks say that you can tell that your Mom’s having
> her period because your Dad’s penis tastes funny . . .)
>
> About now, cooler heads — Kleim’s fairly slick (he’s a naziboy scumbag,
> but he’s a fairly slick one) — are probably shaking their heads at you and
> wondering how you think you’re advancing Der Cause. Hell, dollars to
> doughnuts Kleim’s emailed his very shrewd and unintentionally honest
> article on how to use Usenet.
>
> And now, you’ve realized that not only have you been suckered — yet
> again, you trashie idiot — but that if you even implicitly admit that,
> I’ll rub your nose in it. And you’re right. You just did, and I’m going
> to rub your nose in it. So just sit there with shit on your face while
> I piss all over you. And do try to smile.

This is nothing surprising, Ole. Jews have a fixation with excrement, and
Mr. Rosenboig is just proving it.

Les

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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: How Come We Never Hear of White Drive By Shootings?
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Bubba KaBoom ([email protected]) writes:
> This is an honest/valid question.

Are you willing to hear the honest/valid answer, though, which is that
there haven’t been any, or are you just another liberal fuck-head?

Les

From [email protected] Mon Jul 1 10:31:52 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: What’s wrong with you? We’re all human!
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evil Beavis ([email protected]) writes:
> daryl hoksch wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I’m a 15 yr. old white girl and you guys are CRAZY!! The only
>> difference is the color of our skin. On the inside WE’RE ALL HUMAN.
>> Can’t you realize you’re fighting a losing battle – in the end we all can
>> get along. Just open your minds and you’ll see that there’s NO
>> DIFFERENCE between us. If you don’t like African Americans than move to
>> another country! This is America it’s called the melting pot. No I don’t
>> agree with Farrakhan – segregation isn’t the answer, INTEGRATION IS!!
>> Please, just try to understand we all CAN get along if we just try. Our
>> differences are our strength – not our weakness. I don’t understand how
>> you can hate someone just because they’re different than you. And
>> PLEASE, give up on the slavery idea, it was over 150 years ago. Forget
>> segregation too! Get out of the ’60s, whether you like it or not we are
>> living in the ’90s. The ’90s is not the place for intolerance. If you
>> don’t like blacks then why don’t you get out, go back to England or
>> Germany! I’m sure you’d do very well there. Please, just open your minds
>> and you’ll see that we’re not that different.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Michelle
>
> They are racists because they fear what they do not understand. They are
> insecure and worried about their ability to achieve in an ever changing
> and dynamic world. Thus they resort to racism in order to boost their
> low self esteem in a very cowardly way.

And what does that say about you, marrying a negress? Is that because you
know you couldn’t cut it with a White woman?

> And most of these undereducated and depraved racists would not succeed
> nor be welcome in Europe. Their time has passed and they are sore
> losers!

I believe in the cyclical theory of history.

Les

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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Philip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:

(snip – Phil telling me why I shouldn’t call that race-traitor evil Beavis
a race-traitor, and a really nifty exchange of name-calling)

Diversified, my ass. You may THINK (well, what passes for thinking with
you) that you’re “diversified”, but you’re a stereotypical anti-(White)
racist.

(BIG sigh)

Les

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Ole Kreiberg ([email protected]) writes:
> This is one of crackpot Joel Rosenbergs deranged e-mails sent to and once
> posted by Ron Schoedel. I wonder what Joel’s employer would think about his
> sanity after reading this:
>
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> From: Reverend Ron
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> Subject: From one of the “Chosen People”
> Date: 27 Nov 1995 23:33:33 GMT
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>
>
> Forwarded From: [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg)
> Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc
>
> Now, let me explain something to you, dog-boy. You’re not fooling
> anybody.
>
> When I come in and give you a hard time in your newsgroup — and, of
> course, these trashie newsgroups are yours, idiot — I’m pissing in your
> living room, metaphorically. It’s fun. It’s not nice, but what the heck;
> I don’t have to be nice to nazi trailer trash, and what do I care if
> alt.trash.white is unpleasant for its trashie clientele?
>
> There’s not a damn thing you can do about it. Except whine.
>
> The smartest thing to do would be to ignore it, to put up with the
> humiliation of constantly being asked whether or not you’re fucking
> your dog with whatever limited dignity you can muster. I know that’s
> kind of hard for a 20-year-old dropout who thinks his CB is the BBC,
> but what the hell.
>
> But nobody ever said you were smart.
>
> What you don’t want to do is have your trashie would-be recruits come in
> and see you writhing and moaning in your pissed-on living room. You ought
> to want to keep the place as clean as possible.
>
> So, what do you do? When I piss in your living room, you proudly stand
> up, drop your pants, and take a dump. In your own living room. And then
> you smile as you sit back down in it, as though you’ve gotten even with me.
> So I piss some more on your furniture, and then to get even with me even
> more, you start rubbing your own shit all over your face by forging. So, I
> put on my gloves rub it in your hair.
>
> (And you wonder why folks say that you can tell that your Mom’s having
> her period because your Dad’s penis tastes funny . . .)
>
> About now, cooler heads — Kleim’s fairly slick (he’s a naziboy scumbag,
> but he’s a fairly slick one) — are probably shaking their heads at you and
> wondering how you think you’re advancing Der Cause. Hell, dollars to
> doughnuts Kleim’s emailed his very shrewd and unintentionally honest
> article on how to use Usenet.
>
> And now, you’ve realized that not only have you been suckered — yet
> again, you trashie idiot — but that if you even implicitly admit that,
> I’ll rub your nose in it. And you’re right. You just did, and I’m going
> to rub your nose in it. So just sit there with shit on your face while
> I piss all over you. And do try to smile.

This is nothing surprising, Ole. Jews have a fixation with excrement, and
Mr. Rosenboig is just proving it.

Les

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Mo10Cav ([email protected]) writes:
> A MESSAGE TO JOHN DOE-CENTRAL FROM A “RACE TRAITOR.”
>
> (By way of Les Griswold, Untermensch Second Class, who is outraged by
> Soviet Army atrocities upon Nazi Germans at the end of World War II.)
>
> Dear Les,
>
> How quaint. A Nazi worried about war crimes (even if they are somebody
> else’s). I trust, Herr Griswold, you’ve been passing along our continuing
> messages regarding the June 23 events as well as the OKC investigation to your
> Aryan puke masters. Tell them we are nondenominational about atrocities–
> we don’t care if you’re Nazi, Communist, Ku Klux, Louis Beam-heads,
> Phineas Phreeks or Symbionese Liberation Army. You kill people in our AO
> and we’re going to see justice done one way or the other– and we don’t
> care if you are hiding behind the Clinton Administration or the mercenary
> Star Chamber. And remember, we go for the Unterscheissfuhrers first,
> small fry later.
>
> I heard there’s an ATF intelligence estimate that places a 35% chance of a
> terrorist incident at the Olympics in Atlanta, an 85% chance of one at the
> satellite games in Birmingham. Well, they pay half the terrorists, they
> ought know. But if they’re right, and we find out that the AN or other
> neo-nazi, antisemitic, racist dog-cousins of yours were behind another
> mass murder like they were behind OKC, you can kiss all the guilty parties
> goodbye. Is that specific enough? If the Clinton Administration won’t
> protect the American people, you can bet your ass (and you are) that the
> Constitutional Militias of the United States will. You bloody-handed
> anti-American bastards tried a body-stacking contest earlier in this
> century and you lost then, what makes you think things are any different
> now?
>
> NOTE: The fact that your AN buddies are trying to work up their courage to
> kill me as a “race traitor” because we’re getting close to exposing the
> OKC conspiracy and Lyons’ participation in it has nothing to do with the
> above. This decision was made months ago by a number of us. We’ve read
> the TURNER DIARIES, and we won’t play by your script. And if your
> Kameraden think they’ve got the cojones to try me alone, bring it on.
> They’re just a dot on the radar anyway, and their fate is already
> measured. We understand very well who you are, and how you work. Best
> you try to understand the consequences of being ignorant of who WE are and
> HOW we work.
>
> You can spew your filth through whatever venue is legal, and you can hide
> your venomous hatred behind the First Amendment to the Constitution–
> that’s what it’s there for. But if you or your buddies pull another OKC,
> you’ll find it’s two strikes and you’re out. You may like to goosestep,
> but you won’t like the Nuremburg Tanz. It’s a lively jig, if a quick one.

“Aluminium” is the Canadian spelling of “aluminum”, FYI. There was some
concern over this in the Canadian Armed Forces, as the mess kit was made
of aluminium, and aluminium is known to impair the mental faculties.

Les

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Philip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:

(snip – Phil telling me why I shouldn’t call that race-traitor evil Beavis
a race-traitor, and a really nifty exchange of name-calling)

Diversified, my ass. You may THINK (well, what passes for thinking with
you) that you’re “diversified”, but you’re a stereotypical anti-(White)
racist.

(BIG sigh)

Les

From [email protected] Mon Jul 1 16:21:58 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: “White power” math! (was: African Americans?)
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Phat lip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:
> Bucky Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> : > Actually, it’s off by less than 10%. As of July 1995, the US
> : > population is estimated to be 263.8 million. About 193 million are
> : > White, and about 33 million are Black- so it’s much closer to 6 times as
> : > many Whites as Blacks. I don’t recall the numbers of people of other
> : > ethnicities off hand.
>
> : Quibble, quibble, quibble…
>
> : Point is, Phil, that negroes, while being a numerical minority, commit the
> : majority of crimes.
>
> Point is, Bucky, that I wasn’t even trying to argue one way or the
> other, just straightening out the population figures.

Because you’re getting uncomfortable with the REALITY, which is that your
precious negroes commit FAR more crime than their percentage of the
overall population warrants; therefore, you want to play the big,
dispassionate debater who only injects cold, hard facts.

Les

From [email protected] Mon Jul 1 18:11:18 PDT 1996
Article: 34740 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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evil Beavis ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:
>> Jeffrey G. Brown ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

>> > (1) Does Griswold have direct evidence that eB’s information about the
>> > economic status of the US vis-a-vis Canada and Singapore is incorrect? The
>> > percentage of paedophiles who may be white males is irrelevant to the
>> > question of the economic status of the US.
>>
>> No, Braun, but it DOES have a LOT of relevance to eB’s reliability. I
>> notice that you get all screechy about ME, but are strangely silent when a
>> liberal makes numbers up.
>
> They are not made up Les. They are the official figures of the
> International Bank association in Switzerland whic gauges countries’
> competitiveness and attractiveness to financers etc. They list who is
> imroving the most and who has the stable economy for a prosperous
> future.
> All I said was that last year the US was listed #1, Singapore #2, and
> Japan had slipped to #7. I don’t remember the others. If you want to
> deny or disregard this, fine…

I’m talking about your “98%” figure, and you know it. I’m not disputing
your economic figures at all.

Les

From [email protected] Mon Jul 1 18:11:20 PDT 1996
Article: 34755 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Papa Freud would have a field day with you folks . . .
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Kevin Alfred Strom ([email protected]) writes:
> Joel Rosenberg wrote:

(snip)

>> But, do let’s turn to you.
>>
>> You are, aren’t you, the same Kevin Alfred Strom who was claiming that Mark
>> Twain’s “Concerning the Jews” was both antisemitic and repressed by Dem Evil
>> Joos, when it’s very much anti-semitic, and widely available?
>
> Let me get this straight. _You_ are saying that Twain’s “Concerning the
> Jews” is “very much anti-semitic”? You must be getting a bit emotional
> or something, Joel.

That’s nothing new. Mr. Rosenboig depends entirely on emotion to carry
his arguments. He really can’t understand why people don’t share his
sense of outrage at anyone who has a less-than-worshipful attitude towards
jews, even when they send scatalogical e-mail.

> It is true I posted some Twain excerpts which I got from two different
> web sites, and Mr. Harry Katz corrected me and posted their context,
> which I agreed changed the import of much of what Twain said, which was
> in general philo-Judaic. But I maintained then and maintain now that
> Twain could probably not get the article published by a major magazine
> today, because of its frankness regarding certain characteristics of
> Jews. I never stated that the article was suppressed, though I did find
> it necessary to do an interlibrary loan to get it (in the 1901 edition),
> and I did speculate on whether it would be available in a modern printing
> considering its content. It is, which you nicely proved.
>
> But all this about Mark Twain is just a wild diversion on your part to
> avoid the point which I made, and which you snipped out and made no
> reference to:
>
> “You are the one who made such a connection — no one else.
>
> You are the one who insulted a man you do not know and whom I know to be
> happily married and the father of two fine children as being “married to
> his right hand” (which you cruelly “named” using his wife’s real name)
> and then went on to viciously “name” his children after the fingers of
> his “right hand.”
>
> Never, in all my perusal of the wild and wooly and uncivilized world of
> Usenet, have I seen such gratuitous and sickening abuse heaped upon
> anyone.
>
> I would like to see if any of my political opponents will disown Mr.
> Rosenberg’s scatalogical personal attacks.”
>
> Perhaps you, Mr. Rosenberg, would like to repudiate them?

Les

From [email protected] Mon Jul 1 18:11:21 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Philip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:
> Les (aka Bucky) Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:

(snip)

Moi:
> : > : Necklacing, for example, on too many news shows to name. Civil wars
> : > : galore, of which the shit in Rwanda is just one example.

Pill:
> : > Two things. First off, sub-Saharan Africa is not a country.
> : > Second, if you only knew better, you’d know I was talking about
> : > homecidal violence.

Moi:
> : Oh, I see. So, necklacing and Tutsi-rolling with machetes are NOT
> : homocidal? They DON’T result in death?
>
> I’m talking about killings on the street, Bucky. You know, things
> that happen all the time in my neck of the woods. The examples you gave
> do result in death, but that wasn’t the violence I was talking about.
> In short, we’re obviously talking about this on two different levels.

Dead is dead, fuck-face. “… that wasn’t the violence I was talking
about.” So what violence WERE you talking about? Only that which can be
used to support your pathetic position? Talk of necklacing and tribal
warfare in Africa makes you uncomfortable because it’s true, and it
disproves your “Negroes is nice” airy-fairy fantasies, so it’s on a
“different level” than what you want to talk about?

Les

From [email protected] Mon Jul 1 18:15:17 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Papa Freud would have a field day with you folks . . .
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Kevin Alfred Strom ([email protected]) writes:
> Joel Rosenberg wrote:

(snip)

Les

From [email protected] Tue Jul 2 07:22:43 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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evil Beavis ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:
>> Jeffrey G. Brown ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

I’m talking about your “98%” figure, and you know it. I’m not disputing
your economic figures at all.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Jul 2 07:22:44 PDT 1996
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Philip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:
> Les (aka Bucky) Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:

(snip)

Moi:
> : > : Necklacing, for example, on too many news shows to name. Civil wars
> : > : galore, of which the shit in Rwanda is just one example.

Pill:
> : > Two things. First off, sub-Saharan Africa is not a country.
> : > Second, if you only knew better, you’d know I was talking about
> : > homecidal violence.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Jul 2 07:22:45 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Charles Freedboig ([email protected]) writes:
> Brainfartenfuhrer Griswold writes:
>
> This is nothing surprising, Ole. Jews have a fixation with excrement,
> and Mr. Rosenboig is just proving it.
>
> Bingo! Right again Les! That’s why we read your
> postings.

Hey! You’re here too, Chucky! Well, you, Rosenboig, and Michael P.
Sheeny can get together and do whatever it is you jews do when 3 or 4 of
you get together.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Jul 2 07:22:46 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Phat lip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:
> Bucky Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> : > I’m talking about killings on the street, Bucky. You know, things
> : > that happen all the time in my neck of the woods. The examples you gave
> : > (ie, necklacing and tribal warfare) do result in death, but that wasn’t
> : > the violence I was talking about. In short, we’re obviously talking
> : > about this on two different levels.

> : Dead is dead, fuck-face.
>
> Too bad you don’t fit that description.
>
> : “… that wasn’t the violence I was talking about.” So what violence
> : WERE you talking about? Only that which can be used to support your
> : pathetic position?
>
> Pathetic? Puh-leeesseee!! I just said what kind of violence.
> Homecidal violence and civil war violence are two different animals- are
> you going to tell me that some asshole who shoots another person who is
> walking along, minding his own business, is the same as millions of
> people fighting over politics?

Yak-yak-yak… you hope to obscure the issue by bringing up irrelevancies.
Pill, you’re more fun than a barrel of monkeys!

> : Talk of necklacing and tribal warfare in Africa makes you uncomfortable
> : because it’s true, and it disproves your “Negroes is nice” airy-fairy
> : fantasies, so it’s on a “different level” than what you want to talk about?
>
> It is on a different level, but not for that reason. The warfare in
> Africa is a sad reality. From what I’ve heard, there are many
> leadership problems there that contribute to this. And it pains me to
> hear about it, because there are so many people over there who have to
> live a very hard, and even short life. But again, it’s on a different
> level, for reasons outlined above. It’s not the same as homecidal
> violence save for the end result of the victims…

Oh, bull. The only reason it’s painful for you to hear about is because
it forces you to face the reality of the situation, which is that savagery
is NOT unique to the White Race, even though getting you to admit that
that’s your animating force would be like pulling teeth from a hen.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Jul 2 08:09:08 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Stefan ([email protected]) writes:
> Patrick Blakely wrote:
>>
>> Why is when about 10 people do a Klan rally, 2000 people show up in
>> protest? Is it out of fear? It can not be anything else. You can say
>> Black Power and no ones cares but say White Power and the whole world
>> comes falling…….
>
> Not out of fear, mostly out of disgust…
>
> eB
Pretty much the same reason leftist retards (here and elsewhere) can call
us “trailer-park trash”, and yet at the same time expend awesome amounts
of energy telling everyone else that we’re a serious threat to social
stability (often, the BIGGEST threat to same).

Les

From [email protected] Tue Jul 2 08:09:09 PDT 1996
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Hey! You’re here too, Chucky! Well, you, Rosenboig, and Michael P.
Sheeny can get together and do whatever it is you jews do when 3 or 4 of
you get together.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Jul 2 08:09:10 PDT 1996
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Douglas Smith ([email protected]) writes:

(snip – a lot of misinformation about generic church burnings, implying
that they’re ALL perpetrated by Whites)

And who’s been arrested so far in connection with the burnings, Dougie?
Two knee-grows, and a 13-year old GIRL. Guess that blows your precious
Washington Post story to pieces.

Les

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Phat lip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:
> Bucky Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

Yak-yak-yak… you hope to obscure the issue by bringing up irrelevancies.
Pill, you’re more fun than a barrel of monkeys!

Les

From [email protected] Tue Jul 2 10:15:02 PDT 1996
Article: 49561 of alt.discrimination
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Look at what diversity can bring us!
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evil Beavis ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:
>> Jeffrey G. Brown ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

I’m talking about your “98%” figure, and you know it. I’m not disputing
your economic figures at all.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Jul 2 10:15:03 PDT 1996
Article: 49565 of alt.discrimination
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Philip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:
> Les (aka Bucky) Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:

(snip)

Moi:
> : > : Necklacing, for example, on too many news shows to name. Civil wars
> : > : galore, of which the shit in Rwanda is just one example.

Pill:
> : > Two things. First off, sub-Saharan Africa is not a country.
> : > Second, if you only knew better, you’d know I was talking about
> : > homecidal violence.

Les

From [email protected] Wed Jul 3 07:37:35 PDT 1996
Article: 47958 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: African Americans?
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([email protected]) writes:
> In article <4r7cp6$cr[email protected]>, [email protected] (Mako) writes:
>> [email protected] (Greg Goss) wrote:
>>
>>>[email protected] (E.G. Land) wrote:
>>>> White America is the richest, best educated, most technologically
>>>> advanced crew on earth. Who do you think invented that computer
>>>> you’re sitting in front of, George Washington Carver?
>>
>>>You mean other than the Nippon Electric Corporation (NEC) logo on it,
>>>the Tokyo Electric (Toshiba) drive in it and the Hitachi RAM chips in
>>>it?
>
> I asked my my 7th, 8th grade students to find out in which country
> their clothes,shoes,watches,calculators, computers,etc were made.
> It turned out that about 80 percent were made/assembled in Asia.

So what? Lots n’ lots of cheap junk can be mass-produced in Asia very
cheaply. How is that evidence of the superiority of the orientals? (or
evidence of ANYTHING, for that matter)

Les

From [email protected] Wed Jul 3 18:48:47 PDT 1996
Article: 48058 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Phat lip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:
> Bucky Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> : > Point is, Bucky, that I wasn’t even trying to argue one way or the
> : > other, just straightening out the population figures.
>
> : Because you’re getting uncomfortable with the REALITY, which is that your
> : precious negroes commit FAR more crime than their percentage of the
> : overall population warrants; therefore, you want to play the big,
> : dispassionate debater who only injects cold, hard facts.
>
> Bullshit Bucky. I wasn’t even in on the debate; all I was doing was
> mentioning a few facts to aid the others. As for whether or not they do
> in fact commit more crime- this point has been debated on
> soc.culture.african.american, another newsgroup I post to regularly )and
> to which this has been crossposted), and perhaps someone from there could
> verify this.

Chicken-shit. Now you’re resorting to the “I wasn’t even in on this!”
position to save your pathetic ass from being lambasted. Cripes, are you
liberals ever predictable.

> I could be wrong, but I think someone said that Blacks commit more violent
> crimes, but not more crime, period. But I’m speculating on that.

Well, I’M relieved, knowing that my television set and VCR is likely to be
boosted by a colour-blind rip-off artist, but I will more likely be mugged
and/or killed by a negro. Wotta relief!

Les

From [email protected] Thu Jul 4 07:43:48 PDT 1996
Article: 48152 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski ([email protected]) writes:

(snip – a rather funny tribute to “The Beverly Hillbillies”, even if it’s
at our expense)

I still have to say, though, that Andy Walton’s “Breast Side Story” beat
this one. Nice try, though, you crazy old bat.

BTW here’s a joke for ya…

Q: How do you make a liberal angry?

A: Pick your nose and don’t give him any!

Les

From [email protected] Thu Jul 4 07:43:49 PDT 1996
Article: 48190 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Phat lip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:
> Bucky Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:
> : Philip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> : > Bullshit Bucky. I wasn’t even in on the debate (ie, of racial
> : > composition of criminals); all I was doing was
> : > mentioning a few facts to aid the others. As for whether or not they do
> : > in fact commit more crime- this point has been debated on
> : > soc.culture.african.american, another newsgroup I post to regularly )and
> : > to which this has been crossposted), and perhaps someone from there could
> : > verify this.
>
> : Chicken-shit. Now you’re resorting to the “I wasn’t even in on this!”
> : position to save your pathetic ass from being lambasted. Cripes, are you
> : liberals ever predictable.
>
> Bucky, shut the fuck up. I said I wasn’t in on the debate, and I
> wasn’t. If you don’t want to believe me, that’s your prerogative, just
> know that you’re wrong on that ASSumption.

Whimp.

> : > I could be wrong, but I think someone said that Blacks commit more violent
> : > crimes, but not more crime, period. But I’m speculating on that.

Who the fuck cares about that semantic distinction? Anyway, you’re wrong,
wrong, wrong.

Les

From [email protected] Thu Jul 4 08:20:56 PDT 1996
Article: 24516 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Stephi Stevens ([email protected]) attempts to obfuscate by writing:
> In article <4[email protected]> [email protected]
> (Les Griswold) writes:
>
>
>
>>Because you’re getting uncomfortable with the REALITY, which is that your
>>precious negroes commit FAR more crime than their percentage of the
>>overall population warrants; therefore, you want to play the big,
>>dispassionate debater who only injects cold, hard facts.
>
> Actually this is a misconception. The majority of the crime committed within
> this country is committed by the population of which there is the greatest
> number.

In gross numbers, yes. As a percentage, you’re dead wrong.

Les

From [email protected] Thu Jul 4 08:25:54 PDT 1996
Article: 35034 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Papa Freud would have a field day with you folks . . .
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Joel Rosenbeoig ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

Mr. Strom:
>>Hmmm… But, let it pass. You _again_ snipped and did not comment on my
>>main point, your cruel, vicious and lying attack on a man, his wife, and
>>children whom you do not even know.

Rosenboig:
> Les has admitted that he’s used the Sylvia pseudonym, as well as others.

I have? Where?

(snip)

>>Once again, here is what you snipped and ignored, and what your political
>>allies have so far failed to respond to as well:

>>”You are the one who insulted a man you do not know and whom I know to be
>
> That’s Leslie Griswold you’re referring to. Those who wonder whether or not
> Les Griswold is the scum he appears to be can check out his own writings,
> collected at length at the Nizkor site. It would be much to his embarrassment
> — if he were not incapable of such.
>
>>happily married and the father of two fine children as being “married to
>>his right hand” (which you cruelly “named” using his wife’s real name)
>>and then went on to viciously “name” his children after the fingers of
>>his “right hand.”
>
> He has claimed various numbers of children, by this admittedly-fictitious wife
> of his. One of those numbers was, I believe, five.

Better believe again, Jo-jo.

Les

From [email protected] Thu Jul 4 08:25:55 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] ([email protected])
Date: 30 Jun 96 21:56:00
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: The “best” of kinky Joel Rosenberg
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: The “best” of kinky Joel Rosenberg

Ole Kreiberg ([email protected]) writes:
> This is one of crackpot Joel Rosenbergs deranged e-mails sent to and once
> posted by Ron Schoedel. I wonder what Joel’s employer would think about his
> sanity after reading this:
>
> Path:
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et!news1.cris.com!news
> From: Reverend Ron
> Newsgroups:
alt.culture.jewish,soc.culture.jewish,alt.religion.christian,alt.christnet,alt.
revisionism
> Subject: From one of the “Chosen People”
> Date: 27 Nov 1995 23:33:33 GMT
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> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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> X-URL: news:[email protected]
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>
>
>
> Forwarded From: [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg)
> Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc
>
> Now, let me explain something to you, dog-boy. You’re not fooling
> anybody.
>
> When I come in and give you a hard time in your newsgroup — and, of
> course, these trashie newsgroups are yours, idiot — I’m pissing in your
> living room, metaphorically. It’s fun. It’s not nice, but what the heck;
> I don’t have to be nice to nazi trailer trash, and what do I care if
> alt.trash.white is unpleasant for its trashie clientele?
>
> There’s not a damn thing you can do about it. Except whine.
>
> The smartest thing to do would be to ignore it, to put up with the
> humiliation of constantly being asked whether or not you’re fucking
> your dog with whatever limited dignity you can muster. I know that’s
> kind of hard for a 20-year-old dropout who thinks his CB is the BBC,
> but what the hell.
>
> But nobody ever said you were smart.
>
> What you don’t want to do is have your trashie would-be recruits come in
> and see you writhing and moaning in your pissed-on living room. You ought
> to want to keep the place as clean as possible.
>
> So, what do you do? When I piss in your living room, you proudly stand
> up, drop your pants, and take a dump. In your own living room. And then
> you smile as you sit back down in it, as though you’ve gotten even with me.
> So I piss some more on your furniture, and then to get even with me even
> more, you start rubbing your own shit all over your face by forging. So, I
> put on my gloves rub it in your hair.
>
> (And you wonder why folks say that you can tell that your Mom’s having
> her period because your Dad’s penis tastes funny . . .)
>
> About now, cooler heads — Kleim’s fairly slick (he’s a naziboy scumbag,
> but he’s a fairly slick one) — are probably shaking their heads at you and
> wondering how you think you’re advancing Der Cause. Hell, dollars to
> doughnuts Kleim’s emailed his very shrewd and unintentionally honest
> article on how to use Usenet.
>
> And now, you’ve realized that not only have you been suckered — yet
> again, you trashie idiot — but that if you even implicitly admit that,
> I’ll rub your nose in it. And you’re right. You just did, and I’m going
> to rub your nose in it. So just sit there with shit on your face while
> I piss all over you. And do try to smile.

This is nothing surprising, Ole. Jews have a fixation with excrement, and
Mr. Rosenboig is just proving it.

Les

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From [email protected] Thu Jul 4 08:25:56 PDT 1996
Article: 35053 of alt.politics.white-power
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Date: 4 Jul 1996 10:00:17 GMT
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In gross numbers, yes. As a percentage, you’re dead wrong.

Les

From [email protected] Thu Jul 4 08:25:57 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Papa Freud would have a field day with you folks . . .
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Jew Rosenboig ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]> Kevin Alfred Strom writes:
>
>>Joel Rosenberg wrote:
>>> …
>>> >Hmmm… But, let it pass. You _again_ snipped and did not comment on my
>>> >main point, your cruel, vicious and lying attack on a man, his wife, and
>>> >children whom you do not even know.
>>>
>>> Les has admitted that he’s used the Sylvia pseudonym, as well as others. It
>>> wasn’t really necessary, given that his pseudonym was making the same
>>> grammatical errors and spelling mistakes that Leslie was — as well as having
>>> the same awkward style.
>
>>I have met Mr. Griswold, his wife, and one of his children.
>
> So you say.
>
>>They are real people and you are a liar.
>
> Well, when you say that: you’re an asshole and a liar. I’ve never had the
> err, pleasure of meeting Les and his right hand. But he has, in fact,
> admitted to using the pseudonym, among others.

I did? Where?

Les

From [email protected] Thu Jul 4 12:08:04 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Explaining definitions to liberals… (was: More liberal
bafflegab)

Stephi Stevens ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <4[email protected]> [email protected]
(Les Griswold) writes:
>>Fragano Ledgister ([email protected]) writes:
>
>>(snip)
>
>>> I’m curious, my neighbours on one side are white, and on the other
>>> black. Why are the white neighbours noisier and less considerate
>>> than the black neighbours?
>
>>An abberation. It’s not innappropriate to say that your negro neighbours
>>are acting like whites, while your white neighbours are acting like negroes.
>
>>Les
>
> Actually, both sets of neighbors are acting like nobody but themselves. This

> is not an abberation, it simply is a reality of life. Anyone can be noisier
> and inconsiderate. People who are noisier and inconsiderate are simply
> reflecting who they are inside. People who are considerate and kind are
> simply reflecting who they truly are inside. There’s an old saying which
> applys completely here, action speaks louder than words.

Everybody hold hands, now…

A-1 and a-2 and a-3…

“I love you, you love me…”

Les

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From [email protected] Fri Jul 5 06:39:20 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> How many serial killers have there been in this country other than
> white?

Well, there was David BERKOWITZ (Son of Sam), a jew, Richard RAMIREZ, the
Hillside Strangler, a chicano, and Wayne Williams, a negro, who snuffed
about 28 or so pickaninnies in Atlanta. But are you saying that serial
murder is the ONLY standard by which violent crime can be measured? What
about all those one-offs that negroes pull? It could be argued that they
haven’t got the brains to avoid arrest, and thus they’re under-represented
in the ranks of criminals who apply INTELLIGENCE to their endeavours.

Les

From [email protected] Fri Jul 5 06:59:56 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Rosenburger: Sick Old Bastard
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Mr Richard Ethan Latker ([email protected]) writes:
> Harvester ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : This Rosencrantzengildersteinberg character thinks he is the cat’s
> : meow. What a foul, indecent specimen of humanity!! I may be out of line
> : here, Ron, but…can we fire up Auschwitz one more time….just
> : for…….JR????
>
> Yeah, you’re out of line all right. Talk about indecency … smoldering
> innocent people in ovens: *that’s* indecent. Why do you think Joel greats
> “white-power” types with obscenities: because they say exactly this type
> of crap. You probably wouldn;t react too well if a bunch of internet
> thugs started calling for *your* annihilation, would you?

You are incorrect. Mr. Rosenboig resorts to his scatalogical/beastial
remarks as an opening gambit, not as a reaction to “hate”.

Les

From [email protected] Fri Jul 5 07:07:36 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Black brilliance part 1: Jimi Hendrix
Date: 4 Jul 1996 09:50:01 GMT
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William J. Clinton ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Mr
> Richard Ethan Latker) wrote:
>
>> Anyone who entertains the notion that blacks are inferior somehow has
>> never listened to the brilliant instrumental “Little King” by Jimi
>> Hendrix. If Mozart were alive, he’d certainly write variations on the
>> theme.

Would he, now? Speak with him often, do you?

>> Even Les Griswold would be mesmorised by the sheer musical energy
>> and expressive power of this piece.
>>
>> Stevie Ray Vaughan, a good ol’ white boy of considerable talent, made a
>> decent remake of it, but it just ain’t the same.
>>
>> RL
>
> Bullshit. Anyone can play a fucking drum or twang guitars, idiot. It takes
> a genius to overdose on heroine?

Well said.

Les

From [email protected] Fri Jul 5 07:07:37 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Why are so many people scared of White Power?
Date: 4 Jul 1996 10:10:35 GMT
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Android Walton ([email protected]) writes:
> Missed the original post. I reference to the subject line…
>
> I’m not afraid of white supremacists because I fear that they are right or
> that they can win. I’m afraid of what a misguided individual (or small
> group) may do, infused with the belief that he has a sacred mission.

So lemme get this straight…

You’re afraid of an entire ideology because of the POTENTIAL actions of a
few misguided individuals, yet you deny White Racists the same privelige
to make sweeping generalizations?

Les

From [email protected] Fri Jul 5 10:16:39 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: new politically incorrect party
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([email protected]) writes:
> THIS COUNTRY IS IN SERIOUS TROUBLE !

(snip)

Yes, but what’s your position on the racial problem, and more importantly,
the Jewish Question?

(I can hear it now: “Jewish Question? _WHAT_ Jewish Question?”)

Les

From [email protected] Sat Jul 6 11:31:27 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: “Outrage” (was: Papa Freud…)
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Kevin Alfred Strom ([email protected]) writes:
> Charles Freedberg wrote:
>>
>> In [email protected]
>> ([email protected]) writes:
>>
>> Mr. Strom chastises Joel Rosenberg for daring to
>> joke about the great Brainfartenfuhrer Griswold:
>>
>> You are the one who insulted a man you do not know and whom I know to
>> be happily married and the father of two fine children as being
>> “married to his right hand” (which you cruelly “named” using his wife’s
>> real name) and then went on to viciously “name” his children after the
>> fingers of his “right hand.”
>>
>> Never, in all my perusal of the wild and wooly and uncivilized world of
>> Usenet, have I seen such gratuitous and sickening abuse heaped upon
>> anyone.
>>
>> Really? So it is OK for the Brainfartenfuhrer to call
>> people niggers, gooks, kikes, pickaninnies, kneegrows, chinks, faggots,
>> etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. (Got the idea yet Mr.
>> Strom?) Though it is an OUTRAGE if we ridicule such a lovely nazi!

(note to Chuck: one line is enough. We already know that you have
nothing of substance to say, and that your tuns n’ tuns of “etc.” was just
an attempt to hide that)

>> Kevin, you have a strange sense of outrage. Though
>> anyone who signs off his postings with a link to the Nutzi Alliance can
>> hardly be taken seriously. I think you should read the “Turner
>> Diaries” again. Dreaming of slaughtering all non-whites will probably
>> help lower your blood pressure a bit. Though you better hurray and buy
>> some from Doc Pierce before he runs out of the aryan copies, because
>> soon they will all come from a Jewish publisher and won’t be ‘kosher’,
>> if you know what I mean.
>>
>> With my most sincere best wishes,
>>
>> Chuck
>
> Chuck, I do not think my sense of outrage is strange at all; nor do I
> think that Herr Freud would “have a field day” with me as you “joked.”
>
> I have said more than once that I wished all debate on these newsgroups
> could be conducted in a gentlemanly fashion — which does not necessarily
> mean passionless.

Too true. But this is just a tactic for the jews to attempt to emasculate
White positions, by implying that it’s not “fair” for Whites to get
passionate about their Race.

> Using an arguably pejorative term for a group (like “Nazi” or “Jew-boy”
> or “Knee-grow”), while certainly something I would like to avoid, does
> not come even remotely close to what Mr. Rosenberg has done. To say in a
> public forum that a young woman, a man’s wife, is a masturbatory fantasy,
> using the most sickening language imaginable, and using her real name in
> the process is _so low_ that it does engage my sense of outrage. Then, on
> top of that, to make the same slur against the couple’s innocent
> little children is sick, disgusting, and dishonorable almost beyond
> imagining. Don’t you agree?

Kevin, bringing up ideas of honor and decency is pointless, because the
jewish ideas of same are totally different than White ones.

> Your implication that I fantasize about slaughter and war is false. There
> are many fictional books in which “nazis” are blown up, slaughtered,
> tortured, shot, etc. Do I assume that my political opponents on this
> newsgroup fantasize about or wish to do such things? No.
>
> The debate is, or should be, about whether it is better to have
> multiracial societies or societies in which membership is based on racial
> kinship. Passions are high — moral paradigms are in absolute opposition
> — but what we are doing here is _talking_, not fighting, not killing,
> not harming in any way. I think it’s great!
>
> Let us continue the debate on the highest level possible for each of us.

Les

From [email protected] Sat Jul 6 13:49:41 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Black brilliance part 1: Jimi Hendrix
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Mr Richard Ethan Latker ([email protected]) writes:
> I wrote:
> : >> Anyone who entertains the notion that blacks are inferior somehow has
> : >> never listened to the brilliant instrumental “Little Wing” by Jimi
> : >> Hendrix. If Mozart were alive, he’d certainly write variations on the
> : >> theme.
>
> Les Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : Would he, now? Speak with him often, do you?
>
> Mozart was a creative genius with incredible, no, *miraculous* musical
> talent. People like that recognise brilliance in others. Therefore,
> it’s a safe assumption to say he’d toy with Hendrix themes if he were
> alive (that is, of course, if he didn’t wipe himself out with drugs —
> Mozart probably wouldn’t last long in this day and age).

Yes, he WAS a creative genius. But your assumption that he’d “toy” with
Hendrix themes (sic) is a total non sequitur. Creativity does not equal
ripping off anyone that REL thinks is cool.

> : >> Even Les Griswold would be mesmorised by the sheer musical energy
> : >> and expressive power of this piece.
>
> Some other articulate chap:
> : > Bullshit. Anyone can play a fucking drum or twang guitars, idiot. It takes
> : > a genius to overdose on heroine?
>
> The Grizz:
> : Well said.
>
> I see…musical talent is meaningless, and Mozart and Beethoven might as
> well have been a couple of idiots. Thanks for setting me straight.

Never said that. Not surprising though, that this is what you’ve been
reduced to. Creampuff.

Les

From [email protected] Sat Jul 6 19:13:59 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: What motivates liberals?
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Hatred and/or envy.

Les

From [email protected] Sat Jul 6 21:03:04 PDT 1996
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Hatred and/or envy.

Les

From [email protected] Sat Jul 6 21:34:26 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Tony Sterrett ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> E.G. Land wrote:
>>
>> Because proof of the pudding is the pie. Blacks can’t hack it.
>> If we know nothing else, this much is plain. You pick the field.
>
> How about this you pick the field and I will beat you in it!
> You have two choices, make a rude comment (smart money bets here)
> or take me up on it. We will see.
>
>> You pick the way of measuring the results. It doesn’t matter.
>> The results will be the same– whites will far out shine blacks.
>
> I’m Black and I make more $ than the average white two income
> family. Statement disproven.

He said “whites will far out shine blacks”, not “whites make more money
than blacks”. Statement NOT disproven.

>> Is this racist? Yes, but so what?
>>
> Well to mention race is racist but you’re right so what. I
> mean who are you?
>
>> As I’ve written before, there are degrees of racism and racism
>> exists among blacks just as thoroughly as it exists among whites.
>> I’m reminded of the white girl who went to South Africa to help
>> in the anti-Apartheid struggle. A riot broke out and a group of
>> blacks singled her out and stabbed her to death. Certainly
>> atrocities like this can be cited with blacks as the victims, still
>> the point is valid — racism is universal.
>
> Someone killed in a roit which is part of a very conflict is
> centainly not a atrocitie. Serbs forcing raping Bosain Women
> is. I guess the different is in the planning. You can not
> honestly say that South Africans want all white people dead,
> however this is a common trend in white racist groups.

No, they have to have someone around to support the infrastructure. They
only want enough Whites dead to satisfy their lust for “vengeance”, or
whatever.

Les

From [email protected] Sun Jul 7 12:22:18 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: NIGGERS ARE NOT HUMANS (Re: Some niggers tried to rob my uncle
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Katy Odell ([email protected]) writes:
>>>> FOR THE LAST BLOODY DAMN TIME……NIGGERS ARE NOT HUMANS.THEY ARE
>>>> ACTUALLY EVOLVED FROM A DIFFRENT SPECIE THAN HOMO SAPHIEN…THEY HAVE
>>>> AN EXTRA THIHG MUSUCLE……THAT IS WHY THEY ARE BETTER AT SPORTS
>
> The definition of a species is the ability to produce viable offspring.
> Donkeys are closely related enough to horses to produce offspring, but mules
> are sterile, so horses and donkeys are not the same species. Obviously, all
> races are able to produce viable offspring, so we are all the same species,
> with practically identical DNA. >

What a load of rubbish!

Les

From [email protected] Sun Jul 7 12:22:19 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: WHITE GIRL RAPED AND KILLED BY BERMUDANS
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Gee, think it was WHITE Bermudans who did this?

**********

The _Ottawa Sun_, July 5, 1996 page 2

by Joe Warmington and Rosemary Jones

ST. GEORGE’S, BERMUDA – A Belleville teen killed here Wednesday may have
been the victim of a horrific gang rape, the _Sun_ has learned.

“She was brutalized,” said a source close to police.

He said the autopsy on Rebecca Middleton’s body showed the
17-year-old was viciously raped by more than one man before being stabbed
to death.

Officially, Bermuda police refuse to say what the autopsy showed
or reveal any aspect of what they’re working on. But last night, one
member of the investigative team hinted a major break in the case is
imminent. “Something could happen (today),” he confided. “We are hopeful.”

At a news conference earlier yesterday, Det. Supt. Vic Richmond
urged the public to offer anything they know about three men on
motorcycles who talked to Middleton and her friends and summer host
Jasmine Meens.

It is believed the girls were sitting on a wall, just outside of
the tiny town of St. George’s when the men approached them.

“They were sitting, waiting for a taxi that never showed up,” said
Jasmine’s father Rick Meens.

Instead, sources said, Jasmine accepted a bike ride with one
youth, while Middleton climbed on a second cycle, sandwiched between two
others. Police said the girls were separated after they left the main road.

Witnesses say the murdered teen crawled on to a desolate road
after she was stabbed and dumped in a ditch, witnesses say (sic).

“She had been stabbed in the chest,” one unnamed witness told the
_Royal Gazette_, a Bermudan newspaper.

“She was completely naked. Her underclothes were ripped and in
the bushes on the side of the road. She must have crawled her way into
the road.”

Kim Ingeman, who lives several hundred yards from the murder
scene, said searching for NAIVE, YOUNG WHITE GIRLS is something some of
the BLACK MEN who live in a nearby national park do regularly.

“They would never do that to a black girl here,” said Ingeman, who
himself is black and lived all his life a stone’s throw from the park.
“She would punch the p— out of them and they know it.”

The slaying is Bermuda’s second murder of the year and the first
of a tourist since a 27-year-old German schoolteacher was choked to death
in April 1992.

Although murders are not common on the island of 60,000, he said
rape is common in the secluded areas where he lives.

“They are undesirables in my opinion,” said Ingeman, who knows
many of the “tree people” personally. “They are the local riffraff, they
are unemployed and prey on young women.”

Police have questioned half a dozen men who live illegally in the
park just steps from where the 17-year-old’s body was found, sources said.

Bermuda Police media officer Gary Venning said investigators are
“encouraged” with the leads they have. “It’s not like someone can
disappear,” he said, adding any suspects are “stuck on 21 square miles.”

Middleton’s parents, David and Cindy, arrived in bermuda yesterday
to make arrangements for the body to be returned home.

“We are going through a hard time with this,” said Middleton’s
mother Cindy. “All we have is our grief.”

In Bermuda, a nation of islands known for their beaches, golf
courses and low crime rate, President David Saul and Tourism Minister
David Dodwell offered condolences.

“I empathize with the parents totally,” Saul said. “This is an
abominable crime that has shattered every Bermudan.”

Les

From [email protected] Mon Jul 8 09:16:14 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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What a load of rubbish!

Les

From [email protected] Mon Jul 8 09:23:38 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Jimi Hendrix
Date: 7 Jul 1996 12:32:21 GMT
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Mr Richard Ethan Latker ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:

(snip)

R.E.L:
> : > I see…musical talent is meaningless, and Mozart and Beethoven might as
> : > well have been a couple of idiots. Thanks for setting me straight.
>
Moi:
> : Never said that. Not surprising though, that this is what you’ve been
> : reduced to. Creampuff.
>
> Well, then, was Hendrix a talented and inspired musician, or wasn’t he?

Sure. But so what? How great of a musician would he have been if the
White man hadn’t brought his ancestors’ sorry black asses over here and
taught them civilization?

> Was his contribution of no meaning? You have never been moved by a piece
> of music performed by him, or musicians directly influenced by him?
> Answer honestly. Wiener-schnitzel.

No, his contribution was of some meaning, but Western music doesn’t hinge
on him. Somehow, some way we’d survive quite nicely without non-white
aliens in our midst – and that INCLUDES the musically-inclined ones.

As for being moved by his music, I’ve been moved to change radio stations
when one of his “pieces” come on the air.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Jul 9 08:15:04 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: WHITE GIRL RAPED AND KILLED BY BERMUDANS
Date: 8 Jul 1996 09:09:34 GMT
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Jeffrey G. Brown ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>> Gee, think it was WHITE Bermudans who did this?
>
> Gee, think you could answer a simple question you’ve evaded before, Griswold?
>
> Assuming that the girl’s murderers were black (for which the article you
> posted contains not one scintilla of evidence),

Actually, it does. Re-read it, and this time try to put your One World
bigotry aside. Kim Ingeman gives a valuable clue when he says the
stalking of NAIVE YOUNG WHITE GIRLS is a standard practice among some of
the BLACK MEN who live in the park adjoining his property.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Jul 9 08:15:06 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Black (il)literacy (was: Jimi Hendrix)
Date: 8 Jul 1996 09:12:59 GMT
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Jeffrey G. Brown ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>> Mr Richard Ethan Latker ([email protected]) writes:
>
>> > […deletia…]
>
>> > Well, then, was Hendrix a talented and inspired musician, or wasn’t he?
>>
>> Sure. But so what? How great of a musician would he have been if the
>> White man hadn’t brought his ancestors’ sorry black asses over here and
>> taught them civilization?
>
> The “white man” specifically forbade the blacks literacy, without which
> what you call “civilization” is well-nigh impossible.

I love this sort of “reasoning”. As if forbidding the negroes to read was
depriving them of something that was their normal due.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Jul 9 11:39:26 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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He said “whites will far out shine blacks”, not “whites make more money
than blacks”. Statement NOT disproven.

No, they have to have someone around to support the infrastructure. They
only want enough Whites dead to satisfy their lust for “vengeance”, or
whatever.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Jul 9 12:09:29 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Black (il)literacy (was: Jimi Hendrix)
Date: 8 Jul 1996 23:28:18 GMT
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Fragano Ledgister ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:

(snip – rip-roaring debate over the literacy of negro slaves)

J. Brown:
> : > The “white man” specifically forbade the blacks literacy, without which
> : > what you call “civilization” is well-nigh impossible.

Moi:
> : I love this sort of “reasoning”. As if forbidding the negroes to read was
> : depriving them of something that was their normal due.
>
> Since there are quite a few records of black slaves who could read,
> while their white masters were illiterate, you are clearly talking
> through your hat. Yoruba, Malinke and Hausa slaves frequently
> arrived on the western shore of the Atlantic both literate and
> numerate. This distinguishes them from, say, the Irish.

So, if they were already literate, then they weren’t being deprived of
anything, were they? I’d say Brown is the one talking through his yarmulke.

And why were these literate negroes SLAVES anyway? Why were the scions of
these fantastic, non-existant-except-in-the-overheated-imaginations-of
-negrophiles negro civilizations enslaved, instead of doing the enslaving,
or at least fighting off the enslavers?

Les

From [email protected] Tue Jul 9 17:18:28 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Black (il)literacy (was: Jimi Hendrix)
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Jeffrey G. Brown ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>> Jeffrey G. Brown ([email protected]) writes:

(snip – Brown getting all steamed when I said that Whites taught negroes
civilization)

>> > The “white man” specifically forbade the blacks literacy, without which
>> > what you call “civilization” is well-nigh impossible.
>>
>> I love this sort of “reasoning”. As if forbidding the negroes to read was
>> depriving them of something that was their normal due.
>
> *sigh* Okay, I’ll type real sloooowww for you, Griswold…
>
> (i) You say “the White man… taught [blacks] civilization”.
>
> (ii) I point out that “The “white man” specifically forbade the blacks
> literacy, without which what you call “civilization” is well-nigh
> impossible.”

Literacy is not synonymous with civilization, Brown. Don’t try to get
sneaky. One has to learn to stand before one can learn to run. When I
said that the Whites taught the blacks civilization, I had in mind things
like teaching them not to hunt, eat and sacrifice on another – organizing
to attain goals, rather than lazing around all day. THESE are the sorts
of things that the ungrateful savages should be lavishly thanking us for.
Anyway, slavery has been over for some 130+ years, so the negroes can’t
blame THAT for their illiteracy.

> (iii) The conclusion, which I foolishly did not spell out for you, was
> that the “white man” had no intention of teaching blacks civilization, and
> took specific steps to prevent same. I.E., you don’t know what you’re
> talking about — again.

Like I said above, Brown, one has to learn to stand before one can learn
to run.

> Why, pray tell, would you consider a white child more “due” instruction in
> reading than a black child?

The White child comes from an advanced race which has achieved much in the
way of civilization, and is in any event physically better able to benefit
>from learning. _Capiche_?

Les

From [email protected] Tue Jul 9 17:18:30 PDT 1996
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Phat lip Kasiecki ([email protected]) writes:
> Bucky Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:
> : Hatred and/or envy.
>
> Bullshit.

Ah, I see that Mr. Kasiecki has decided to grace us once again with his
thoughtful insight.

Les

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