Griswold Leslie Article 4-1996

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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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James Burns ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, Dr Hyde says:

(snip)

>>We don’t have a NAAWP… so maybe we should get one…
>
> You must have forgotten about the republican party.

BWAHAHAHA!!! The Republican Party? Pro-White? BWAHAHAHA!!!

Les

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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: SINISTER ORDER OF FENRIR: SINISTER NORSE FASCIST OCCULTISM
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Scott A. Reap ([email protected]) writes:
> SOF is an Order of LaVeyian Satanists that uses the Norse mythos
> of the dark wolf “FENRIZ” to symbolise the “Aryan Satanist” (i.e pale
> skin,dark vision).We do NOT use race for a crutch,we reject all notions
> of being affilated with the KKK or skinheads.We know that what matters
> is REAL LIFE.Thus we base one’s “worth” in our order on their “worth”
> in the real world…..material and economic success is what matters
> above all us in this day and age of fire and tooth and claw!
>
> Unlike most “Occult Fascist” or “Satanic Neo-Nazis”,we do not reject
> capitialism.Rather,we ENDORSE anarcho-capitalism and the free market
> economy as a true expression of dog-eat-dog.
>
> For complete information write to SOF,1725-MADISON AVE,SUITE #8,
> MEMPHIS TN,38104.Make all checks and money orders payable to Scott A.
> Reap
>
> For information on how to distribute SOF materials in your area,or
> perhaps your magazine,write care of Aragner (please make checks for
> this payable to Andrew).

Please keep this crap out of alt.politics.white-power and
alt.politics.nationalism.white. We really don’t want to read it, as it’s
not relevant to any of our discussions.

Les

From [email protected] Mon Apr 1 09:38:14 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Sinister Order of Fenrir:A Brief Synopsis
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Scott A. Reap ([email protected]) writes:
> SINISTER ORDER
> OF FENRIR
> ———————————————————-
> Sinister Order of Fenrir is an esoteric social-Darwinist Satanic
> organisation which promulgates GENUINE Satanism and promotes elitism is
> the only TRUE and actual form of administration.
> SOF is based firmly upon Anton Szandor LaVey’s SATANIC BIBLE

… which he plagiarised shamelessly from Ragnar Redbeard’s _Might is Right_.

> and other
> writings.While membership in Cos is not required,it is highly suggested
> as we only wish to recruit the truly elite.
> We endorse Social Darwinism as advocated by Willam Grahm Sumner,Ragnar
> Redbeard as well as advocating laiissez-faire capitalism.

Ragnar Redbeard was racist to the core. You’ve obviously never read
_Might is Right_, where he talks about how Australians would bag an
aborigine whenever they got the chance, or where he argues that any White
father would rather see his daughter DEAD than in the arms of a negro.

(snip – rest of lark’s vomit deleted)

Les

From [email protected] Mon Apr 1 09:38:15 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Sinister Order of Fenrir:A Brief Synopsis
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Karl Mac Mc Kinnon ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Les Griswold) writes:

(snip)

Scott Reap:
>>> as we only wish to recruit the truly elite.
>>> We endorse Social Darwinism as advocated by Willam Grahm Sumner,Ragnar
>>> Redbeard as well as advocating laiissez-faire capitalism.
>
>>Ragnar Redbeard was racist to the core. You’ve obviously never read
>>_Might is Right_, where he talks about how Australians would bag an
>>aborigine whenever they got the chance, or where he argues that any White
>>father would rather see his daughter DEAD than in the arms of a negro.

> Les, I think he HAS read it. Scott IS a racist who PRENTENDS to be
> a Satanist. And as anyone who has read the Satanic Bible can tell you,
> the Book of Satan (which is a straightforward emulation of Ranger
> Redbeard) is NOT racist in any way, shape or form.

Not surprising, seeing as how Anton LaVey is jewish. Racism makes the
Self-Chosen very queasy.

> It has nothing TO DO with race.

You can say that again.

Les

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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Dear Scott the know-nothing (was: Dear Les the Pest)
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Scott A. Reap ([email protected]) writes:

(snip – talking about Ragnar Redbeard’s _Might is Right_, as if he knows
or understands what is written there)

> Les;
>
> Of course I have read Might is Right…our entire philosophy is
> built on the his work.Funny how you (a racist nationial socialist if I
> am right) use HIS work to attack ME.Aren’t most of you “nazis” using
> terms like “working class revloltuon,etc? If you know Redbeard,you know
> he hated the average workingman just as much as the negros,etc.

Not every man has it in him to be an elitist, dummy. While I admire SOME
of what RR wrote, I am intelligent enough to realize that a society of
NOTHING BUT RADICAL REVOLUTIONARIES would be unworkable, not to mention
undesiarble. ALL societies to date have required a large body of normal
people, led by an elite that was in the minority. I don’t recall Redbeard
ANYWHERE advocating anarchy.

> I am “Racist” in the sense that I would never socialise (on a sexual or
> non-sexual manner) with a non-white,I merely attack those using race as
> a crutch.

Then I guess that excludes everyone who truly believes in Race.

> Go back to you working class blue-collar pubs that Redbeard and I abhore so
> much remmeber…The Strong gets the gold.

Yes.

Les

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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Scott the snot (was: Lessy the Nessie)
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Scott A. Reap ([email protected]) writes:
> I
>
> Les,Les,Les….I did not advocated anachry…nor did I advocated
> EVERYONE being elite (then what is the point of being elite?).I,as did
> Redbeard,adocated aristrocacy.You are right that all societys have been
> normal people that are ruled by an elite…I simiply don’t understand
> the pride in being normal…such as is with your pals “working class
> pride”,et al.

*sigh*

I’ll explain it to you ONCE, and if it doesn’t sink in, that’s not my
problem: there’s NOTHING WRONG with being working class. It isn’t the
epitome of existance, true, but there’s nothing inherently wrong with it,
either. White Racism is not about a working-class revolution, Scott. It
recognizes differences WITHIN the Race, as well as the differences BETWEEN
the races. Your SOF (hmm, same initials as Soldier of Fortune) sounds an
awful lot like other brands of “elitism” that want to be “different”. but
want to be “respectable” at the same time.

Les

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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>Moi:
>>>>And they would all puke if they saw what sort of people (and I use the
>>>>term very lightly) used the designation “liberal” today. Name me _one_
>>>>liberal from times past who SUPPORTED multiracialism, Beaver.
>>>
>>> Thank God, er, goodness for progress.
>>
>>Typical liberal shit-head, equating ANY change, even change for the worse,
>>with “progress”.
>
> Typical *racist* (note: I said “racist,”, not “conservative”) shithead.

Very good, Ctthulhu. Your hero-biscuit is in the mail.

> You’d better explain how multiracialism is a change for the worse.

No, YOU’RE the one who is supportive of a radical change (it’s been
radical since about 1965), so it’s up to YOU to explain how multiracialism
is BENEFICIAL. Most people don’t want it, so you’d better get to work.

Les

From [email protected] Mon Apr 1 11:50:24 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Burning churches (was: Are these the “Proud” Aryan warriors?)
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David Christian ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>
>
>>> [email protected] “Les Griswold” writes:
>>>>
>
>
>>> What about Susan Smith, the white American who killed her kids and claimed
>>> a black man did it?
>
>>I KNEW this would come up sooner or later. Trust that an absolute moron
>>like Caesar would bring it up.
>
> Lester, for that matter does the name David Craig ring a bell? A Ga.
> Klan leader, who murdered his girl friend’s husband, with her help.
> They claimed a black man did it. By the way, the victim was a Kluxer
> himself. Craig had the decency to off hgimself in prison. Saved the
> Ga. taxpayers the expence of feeding him the rest of his sorry life.

Which proves what about the churches, dummy?

Les

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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Whites are so superior.
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Another liberal warrior comes in here to try his skill:

“R.Pearson” ([email protected]) writes:
> Any study that has shown blacks to be inferior to whites has also shown
> whites to be inferior to asians. Therefore, wouldn’t asians then be the
> master race???

“Whites”, in IQ tests, is a dumping ground, in that the divisions are:
a) Orientals;
b) Blacks; and,
c) Everything else.

If the category of “whites” was restricted ONLY to those COMPLETELY and
EXCLUSIVELY of European background, one would see a CONSIDERABLE
difference. Those smiling, nerdy Orientals wouldn’t fare quite so well
against Whites as they do against a hodge-podge.

Les

From [email protected] Mon Apr 1 11:50:26 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Jeffrey G. Brown ([email protected]) writes:
> Kleim’s latest missive is as follows:
>
>> The mailbombings will commence with the next message from you. Other
>> measures against you will increase proportionally to your unlawful
>> harassment of me.
>
> Note that the “harassment” Kleim refers to consisted of exactly _two_ mail
> messages: one, a forward of my original challenge to his “Homosexuality:
> Menace to Society” post, sent to him on 03/25/96, and the second a copy of
> the same post sent on 03/30/96. Kleim apparently considers two messages in
> five days to be “harassment”.
>
> One can only wonder why Kleim has such a violent over-reaction to someone
> asking him to discuss his views. One can only wonder if perhaps Kleim
> feels his views are above discussion.
>
> Posted and emailed to Kleim.

Because, “JGB”, you’re a self-important little turd who makes it a
practice to harass people with your “posted and emailed” crap. It’s not
incumbent on the recipient to POLITELY ask you to stop; rather, their
responses are entirely appropriate to your electronic harrassment. If you
choose to ignore the fair warning, how is that anyone’s fault but your own?

Les

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Jeffrey G. Brown ([email protected]) writes:
> Kleim’s latest missive is as follows:
>
>> The mailbombings will commence with the next message from you. Other
>> measures against you will increase proportionally to your unlawful
>> harassment of me.
>
> Note that the “harassment” Kleim refers to consisted of exactly _two_ mail
> messages: one, a forward of my original challenge to his “Homosexuality:
> Menace to Society” post, sent to him on 03/25/96, and the second a copy of
> the same post sent on 03/30/96. Kleim apparently considers two messages in
> five days to be “harassment”.
>
> One can only wonder why Kleim has such a violent over-reaction to someone
> asking him to discuss his views. One can only wonder if perhaps Kleim
> feels his views are above discussion.
>
> Posted and emailed to Kleim.

Because, “JGB”, you’re a self-important little turd who makes it a
practice to harass people with your “posted and emailed” crap. It’s not
incumbent on the recipient to POLITELY ask you to stop; rather, their
responses are entirely appropriate to your electronic harrassment. If you
choose to ignore the fair warning, how is that anyone’s fault but your own?

Les

From [email protected] Wed Apr 3 08:31:51 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>>So? Jews are (mis)classified as “white” in North America.
>
> By who? A lot of Jews look pretty white to me. But I wouldn’t be suprised to
> meet a black, yellow or red one.

Anyone who classifies a jew as white is misclassifying them.

> Being a Jew is following a religion. It’s not a race.

No, it isn’t. Learn a little more about the RACIAL aspects of Judaism, as
well as the RELIGIOUS aspects of it. Then come back here, idiot. Until
you get your stories straight, you should shut up. You DON’T know what
you’re talking about, and it’s embarrassing your liberal bum-buddies.

Les

From [email protected] Wed Apr 3 08:31:54 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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evil “Foot-boy” Beavis ([email protected]) writes:
> bob whitaker wrote:
>>
>> Another Establishment Good Boy!
>
> Your answers are gettin quite repetitive. About seven references to
> “establishment good boys” today alone. I am not a U.S. citizen, I merely live
> here so I wonder what my unintentional connection with the ‘establishment”
> is? Is this just your usual knee-jerk response to any criticism you might
> encounter??

Jews are internationalists, and so are their _shabbas goyim_.

Les

From [email protected] Wed Apr 3 08:31:55 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>> You’d better explain how multiracialism is a change for the worse.
>>
>>No, YOU’RE the one who is supportive of a radical change (it’s been
>>radical since about 1965), so it’s up to YOU to explain how multiracialism
>>is BENEFICIAL. Most people don’t want it, so you’d better get to work.
>
> Multiracialism: people of different races living together.

Gee, that’s GOOD.

> This is not a radical change.

It is so. It never obtained before the Powers-That-Be decided to IMPOSE
it on us.

> Most people don’t actually “want” it because they already have it and
> consider it normal.

What?!?

> It’s never been radical change. Not even in 1965.

If it was such an acceptable idea, why was it NEVER voted on, Slimy Green Guy?

Les

From [email protected] Wed Apr 3 08:59:20 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) whines like bacon fat on a hot
stove:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten ([email protected]) babbles:
>>> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>>> [edit]
>
>>>>Indeed. So why are niggers still so backward?
>
>>> Another insightful and informative question from
>>> the forward-looking Herr Oberpimpfenfuhrer himself.
>
>>Which you liberal filth aren’t even TRYING to answer, mostly because you
>>know that you can’t, without talking about HOW socially retarded negroes are.
>
> Herr Unteruberfartenfuhrer, I know that you find me tiresome. I
> find you just as tiresome, believe me. I’m not trying to
> answer the question because it isn’t a legitimate question.

No, you’re not trying to answer the question, because you CAN’T. Any
attempt to address the issue will result in something like this:

Liberal turd: “Well, people of colour have played an IMPORTANT ROLE
in the creation and furtherance of White Western culture!”

White racist: “Really? Well, name one significant thing that duskies
have done.”

Liberal turd: “Well, there’s Dr. Charles Drew. Also Dr. G.W. Carver.”

White racist: “I said DUSKIES, not mulattoes.”

Les

From [email protected] Thu Apr 4 07:20:21 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) babbles:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
> [edit]
>
>>Cthulhu is just one of many liberal whiners who’s complaining that my question
>>contains some unspecified terms, ie “niggers” and “backwards”. They then
>>go on with acting all high and mighty, pretending that if I can’t “prove”
>>it (that niggers are backwards), that somehow proves that they’re not.
>>Really, talking about negro incompetence is like trying to explain sunlight.
>
> Note the level to which Herr Oberweinenundschnickenfuhrer elevates the debate.
> His use of quotation marks around the word “prove” suggests that there is no
> such thing as proof.

Not to liberal shit-for-brains like Cthulhu, Beaver, or you. Face it,
Fester, you have an emotional attachment to your ideology, and anything
that we submit as evidence to back up our points will be airily dismissed
by you One-Worlders.

> But not only that, by apparently casting doubt on the very concept of proof,
> Herr Unterschtinckenfuhrer elevates his racism to the realm of an ideology
> that is beyond proof but instead on the level of a religious doctrine that
> must be accepted on faith alone.

Gee, and I was thinking EXACTLY THE SAME THING about you. Maybe we’re
soul-mates, Fester 🙂

Les

From [email protected] Thu Apr 4 08:58:48 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Multi”culturalism” (was: Les does so know what a liberal is!)
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Robert Whitaker ([email protected]) writes:
> Rajiv, Cthulu, Little Beaver,, do any of you deny that your
> “multiculturalism” has two characteristics: 1) it is demanded of all
> countries where the majority is white and 2) It is demanded ONLY in
> countries where the majority is white. Nobody demands multiculturalism
> of Japan or Kenya or Egypt, but you all demand it in Denmark and Austria.
> Do you deny that. This is straight and simple anti-white racism.

A very good point, and one that the liberal pansies here will be unable to
address, except to admit that it’s true. Therefore, I expect that they
will ignore it.

Les

From [email protected] Thu Apr 4 17:51:29 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:
>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>> (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Yes. Turks and Lebanese are SEMITES.
>>>
>>> A lot of semites look pretty white to me.
>>
>>Funny. You just got over telling me that some doofus “proved” to me that
>>Turks aren’t semites, now you’re agreeing that they ARE?
>
> No. I said that *semites* look pretty white to me.

Oh, so now we have to accept as White anyone who “look[s]” White to a guy
that can be blind-folded with dental floss?

Les

From [email protected] Thu Apr 4 17:51:30 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:
>
>>>>> and [burning] Black churches under cover of darkness;
>>>>
>>>>What proof?
>>>
>>> If you’re really so stupid that you don’t know *this*, then you are truly
>> sad.
>>
>>Translation: we’d like to BELIEVE that White Supremacists do the above,
>>even though we can’t supply convincing evidence (or ANY evidence) about
>>it. So I’ll call Les stupid and sad.
>
> Convincing evidence? Just pick up any book. The former (bombing immigrant
> hostels) has been done by neo-nazis in Germany for at least a decade. The
> latter is something that the KKK is infamous for. Obvously you don’t read.

Translation: I’m too lazy to look anything up, so I’ll imply that
“everyone” knows it, and accuse Les of illiteracy.

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 5 10:29:39 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Preserving multi”culturalism”
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Why does it escape fans of multiCULT that the BEST way to PRESERVE all of
these wonderful, diverse cultures is through SEPARATION? Throwing all
sorts of races together will ONLY result in a bastardized mix.

Les

From [email protected] Sat Apr 6 11:51:41 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:

> Gee. Don’t rap music, rock n’ roll, break dancing, funk, jazz and blues count
> as important contributions to “white culture”?

No.

Les

From [email protected] Sat Apr 6 11:51:43 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) whines like snow tires on wet
pavement:

(snip)

> [edited out Stone’s suggestion that I go away]

Why? It was a valid suggestion. You have NOTHING to contribute to
anything that’s said here; at best, you can play at being a “gadfly”, like
Socrates, making a noise (and a whiny one at that), but not really saying
anything.

(snip)

> Strictly speaking, one cannot define such a word without reference to the
> context in which it is used. When I say that I am walking backward, I
> might mean that I am moving in the opposite direction to the one in which
> I am facing. I would prefer to see Mr. Griswold’s clarification of
> his meaning before pursuing this further.

Translation: I know that Les is right, and I’m wrong, so I’ll play some
word games to stall for time.

Les

From [email protected] Sat Apr 6 11:51:44 PST 1996
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Another demonstration of liberal fixation with the trivial, in violation
of common sense:

Stewart King ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:
>
>> Really, talking about negro incompetence is like trying to explain
>> sunlight.
>
> They actually did figure that one out, Les.
>
> Y’know. Comes from the sun. Little waves. whoop whoop whoop! soo cute.

Yes, Stewie. Nuclear physics also tells us that what appears to be solid
matter is actually made up of mostly empty space. So go slam your head
against a brick wall, and tell us what happens.

Les

From [email protected] Sat Apr 6 11:58:29 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

>>> Maybe that’s because there’s no violent opposition to multiculturalism
>>> there, and it’s happening at its own pace in these places. (these
>>> places being Japan and Kenya)

>>So why does it have to be forced down the throats of Whites? Why not “let
>>it happen at its own pace”?
>
> Because RACISTS (and not all whites) refuse to let it happen at its own pace.

Ever been to Japan, Cthulhu? Ever seen how they treat/think/speak of
Ainu? Or what they have to say about Koreans? Japs don’t swallow this
multiracial hogwash one little bit, but it doesn’t seem to be a matter of
great concern to you scum. Just force it on Whitey.

Les

From [email protected] Sat Apr 6 23:18:48 PST 1996
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([email protected]) writes:
> On Thu, 04 Apr 96 05:55:46 GMT, [email protected] (D.B.Cooper) wrote:
>
>>I stumbled across this while web surfing this morning.
>>
>>If Lincoln said this today, he’d be branded the most ‘vile’ type of ‘racist’.
>>Lincoln would be considered Even more racist than David Duke or the “Ophra/Donahue”
>>KKK panelist. The following was on the site:
>>
>>http://nickel.ucs.indiana.edu/~mtmurphy/cw.html
>>
>>In the famous Lincoln-Douglas debates, Lincoln did not hesitate to dispel the
>>notion that he was a champion of racial equality:
>>
>>”I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about
>>in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races –
>>that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of
>>negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white
>>people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical
>>difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever
>>forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political
>>equality.”
>>
>>Abraham Lincoln, Fourth Lincoln-Douglas Debate, September 18, 1858
>
> Point please.

But that ain’t all! Check out the following:

>From _The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln_, edited by Roy P. Basler,
Rutgers University Press, 1953

IN A SPEECH AT PEORIA, ILLINOIS, OCTOBER 16, 1854:

“Free them [the Negroes], and make them politically and socially, our
equals? My own feelings will not admit of this; and if mine would, we
well know that those of the great mass of White people will not. Whether
this accords with justice and sound judgement, is not the sole question,
if indeed, it is any part of it. A universal feeling, whether well or
ill-founded can not be safely disregarded.” – Vol. II, p. 256.

IN AN ADDRESS AT SPRINGFIELD, ILLINOIS, JUNE 26, 1857:

“A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation,
but as immediate separation is impossible the next best thing is to keep
them apart where they are not already together… Such separation, if ever
effected at all, must be effected by colonization… The enterprise is a
difficult one, but ‘where there is a will there is a way;’ and what
colonization needs now is a hearty will. Will springs from the two
elements of moral sense and self-interest. Let us be brought to believe
it is morally right, and, at the same time, favorable to, or at least not
against, our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we
shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be.” – Vol. II,
pp. 408-9

IN A DEBATE WITH STEPHEN DOUGLAS AT OTTAWA, ILLINOIS, AUGUST 21, 1858:

“I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the
White and black races. There is a physical difference between the two
which in my judgment, will forever forbid their living together upon the
footing of perfect equality; and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that
there must be a difference, I am in favor of the race to which I belong
having the superior position.” – Vol. III, p. 16

ON AUGUST 14, 1862, TO A “DEPUTATION OF FREE NEGROES”, WHO CALLED ON HIM
AT THE WHITE HOUSE, HE SAID:

“You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference
than exists between almost any other races. Whether it be right or wrong
I need not discuss; but this physical difference is a great disadvantage
to us both, as I think. Your race suffer very greatly, many of them by
living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word, we
suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason why we
should be separated…

“… Your race are suffering, in my judgment, the greatest wrong inflicted
on any people. But even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far
removed from being placed on an equality with the White race… on this
broad continent, not a single man of your race is made the equal of a
single man of ours. Go where you are treated the best, and the ban is
still upon you.

“… I cannot alter it if I would. I need not recount to you the effects
upon White men, growing out of the institution of Slavery. See our
present condition – the country engaged in war! – our White men cutting
one another’s throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then
consider what we know to be the truth. But for your race among us there
would be no war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for
you one way or the other… It is better for us both, therefore, to be
separated.” – Vol. V, pp. 371-5

(On August 15, 1862, a law was passed appropriating $100,000 for freed
Negroes in the District of Columbia, and $500,000 for freed slaves in the
hands of the Army. This was for colonization. – Vol. V, p. 370)

WHEN LINCOLN SIGNED THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION, HE SAID:

“I have urged the colonization of the negroes, and I shall continue.

“My Emancipation Proclamation was linked with this plan. There is no room
for two distinct races of White men in America, much less for two distinct
races of Whites and blacks.

“I can conceive of no greater calamity than the assimilation of the negro
into our social and political life as our equal…

“Within twenty years we can peacefully colonize the negro and give him our
language, literature, religion, and system of government under conditions
in which he can rise to the full measure of manhood. This he can never do
here. We can never attain the ideal union our fathers dreamed, with
millions of an alien, inferior race among us, whose assimilation is
neither possible nor desirable.” – Vol. V, pp. 371-5

Many illuminating quotes concerning Lincoln’s view of negroes came out of his
debates with Stephen Douglas, with whom he competed for the presidency.
However, lest anyone come to the erroneous conclusion that Stephen Douglas
was some wild-eyed abolitionist, consider the following:

>From _Race and Reason_, by Carleton Putnam, Public Affairs Press, 1967:

“Now I say to you, my fellow-citizens, that in my opinion the signers of
the Declaration [of Independence] had no reference to the Negro
whatsoever, when they declared all men to be created equal. They desired
to express by that phrase White men, men of European birth and European
descent, and had no reference either to the Negro, the savage Indians, the
Fiji or the Malay… One great evidence that such was their understanding
is to be found in the fact that at that time every one of the thirteen
colonies was a slaveholding colony, every signer of the Declaration
represented a slaveholding constituency, and we know that no one of them
emancipated his slaves, much less offered citizenship to them, when they
signed the Declaration; and yet, if they intended to declare that the
Negro was the equal of the White man, and entitled by divine right to any
equality with him, they were bound, as honest men, that day and hour to
have put their Negroes on an equality with themselves…”

So there you have it, negrophiles.

Les

From [email protected] Sun Apr 7 12:05:50 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) writes:
> The New Omnipotent All-Powerful Grillo wrote:
>
>>It looks like this broad has a fetish for ear wax and urine. Probably
>>likes golden showers while coated in wax. What a pervert. I wondet what
>>she does with her dog.
>
> You must have missed out on Mr. Griswold’s posts where explained that
> among the biological characteristics distinguishing “whites” from all
> the rest of humanity is their ear wax and urine chemistry. The “obsession”
> is Mr. Griswold’s, not mine. Do you think he’s a pervert?

If I’M the one with the fetish, WHY is it that ONLY you liberal perverts
and degenerates keep bringing it up? Is it because you “think” (and I use
the term VERY advisedly) that you can score points with it? Well, you do.
Like Orouborous says, no one likes to be associated with losers like you.

Les

From [email protected] Sun Apr 7 12:05:51 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) stalls for time:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten ([email protected]) babbles:
>>> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
> [edit]
>
>>>>When two closely related branches cross, that is NOT miscegenation. When
>>>>a White crosses with a non-White, that IS miscegenation.
>
>>> How close is close enough, Herr Unteruntenmenschenfuhrer? How do you
>>> gauge which “branches” can cross and which ones can’t?
>
>>Don’t be cutesy, Fester. The original allegation was that the Saxons and
>>the Danes crossing was “miscegenation”. That implies that it is at the
>>same level of morality and biology as crossing a negro and a White.
>>That’s too stupid for words, but it fits right in with liberal ideology.
>
> Who’s being “cutesy”, Herr Oberweinerschnitzelfuhrer? And what on earth
> does *your* sense of morality have to do with it? Whether Danes and
> Angles marrying and having children would have constituted “miscegenation”
> depended entirely on how their cultures at the time viewed each other.

No, it depends on biological fact.

> If the Danes considered the Angles to be barbaric, subhuman untermenschen,
> then it would have been regarded as “miscegenation”.

That’s yet another liberal semantic game: racism equals nationalism, in
your puny minds, and all forms of bigotry are the same to you. Never mind
the facts of biology, Whites antagonistic to other Whites are in the same
position as Whites antagonistic to non-Whites.

Les

From [email protected] Mon Apr 8 07:52:37 PDT 1996
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David Byrden ([email protected]) writes:

(nothing. A typical liberal argument)

When two closely related branches cross, that is NOT miscegenation. When
a White crosses with a non-White, that IS miscegenation.

Les

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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Rob Kowalewski ([email protected]) writes:
> Yo! Big Fella! A question for ya:
>
> Let us suppose that the National Alliance, by some means, found itself in
> the seats of power in Canada and the US tomorrow morning.
>
> Now, given the overwhelming popular rejection of your philosophy (as I
> tried to discuss with you in a previous thread), just how do y’all plan to
> run the countries?
>
> Put aside the question of having to quell massive dissent for a minute-
>
> What I’m wondering is, where do you find the expertise to manage the
> nuts-and-bolts operations of two huge countries?
>
> Would you, being in the security profession, suddenly find yourself
> Secretary of Defense? And assuming (for the sake of arguement) that the NA
> is smart enough to avoid strict isolationism, who would be dealing with
> other countries in matters of diplomacy and commerce? (Forgive me for
> saying so, but diplomacy is not a skill you folks have demonstrated in
> this forum).
>
> So, to make a long question short, how is it y’all plan to handle
> *success* as a miniscule minority of the population?

How do the Chosen minority do it? Popular approval?

Les

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Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:
>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>> (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>
>>> Gee. Don’t rap music, rock n’ roll, break dancing, funk, jazz and blues count
>>
>>> as important contributions to “white culture”?
>>
>>No.
>
> Well then Les, you must be a very deprived child. Whatsa matter, don’t like
> rock n’ roll?

I never said that (typical of you liberals to take a statement and run
with it). What I SAID was, rap “music”, rock n’ roll, break dancing,
funk, jazz and blues didn’t count as important contributions to white culture.

Les

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Caesar ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>
> [email protected] “Ourobouros” writes:
>
>> Secondly, as you have so kindly mentioned before, they were Soviet former
>> territories. No further explanation should be required.
>
> The white former Soviet territories of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are
> doing a lot better than the white former Soviet terriotories of
> Ukraine, Belarus and Moldova.

*sigh*

Ourobouros’ point is, SOME of the former Soviet territories are doing
poorly. SOME of them are doing well. But ALL of the White man’s former
territories in Africa are doing poorly.

Les

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[email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>Laura Finsten ([email protected]) wrote:

[edit]

>> [edited out Stone’s suggestion that I go away]

>Why? It was a valid suggestion. You have NOTHING to contribute to
>anything that’s said here; at best, you can play at being a “gadfly”, like
>Socrates, making a noise (and a whiny one at that), but not really saying
>anything.

And what do you contribute, Herr Oberfartenundpimpfenschtickenfuhrer?
Besides your thought provoking questions (like “why are niggers less
evolved?”), which you don’t know how to handle so you change them to
something even more ridiculous and vague (like “why are niggers so
backward?”). And the brilliant evidence you have carefully (and very
selectively) gleaned from choice scholarly works on “racial science”
like the businessman Carleton Putnam’s 35 year old piece of garbage.
And the truly astonishing conclusions you have drawn based on your
“thorough” and “careful” research, telling us that among the distinctive
features of the “white race” are a unique kind of earwax and a unique
urine chemistry (not even true, even if its triviality goes unchallenged).

But let’s not forgot your penchant for name-calling and profanity,
which really demonstrate the level of your posts and the breathtaking
contribution they make to discussion.

>> Strictly speaking, one cannot define such a word without reference to the
>> context in which it is used. When I say that I am walking backward, I
>> might mean that I am moving in the opposite direction to the one in which
>> I am facing. I would prefer to see Mr. Griswold’s clarification of
>> his meaning before pursuing this further.

>Translation: I know that Les is right, and I’m wrong, so I’ll play some
>word games to stall for time.

Translation: Herr Unterzweickeroberunderwearenfuhrer still won’t clarify
his question or provide any evidence to support the vague assertions it
contains. Trolling, Herr Griswold?

From [email protected] Mon Apr 8 10:53:56 PDT 1996
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Deliverance ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says…
>>
>>In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Jack Lachtser)
>>writes:
>>>
>
>>>>>>>Good. Why don’t you pack your bags and go somewhere that was set
>>up by minorities. Haiti, Africa (except SA), Peking, Angola, lebanon,
>>Iran, etc.
>
> First of all, Peking (whose actual name is Beijing) is NOT a country. And
> as far as countries set up by minorities, I seem to remember that when
> British colonists landed at Jamestown in 1607, they just happened to be in
> the minority. Ditto for Plymouth in 1620. Whites WERE the minority when we
> landed on these shores and when the USA was established. One need only read a
> history book to realize this.

Okee-dokee. Let’s compare the U.S.A. with, say… Haiti. They’re both
about the same age.

Les

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Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

>>> New West Minster, British Columbia. FOUNDED on multiculturalism.
>>
>>Bull. The Chinese and other aliens wouldn’t be in British Columbia if the
>>White man hadn’t a) hauled them over here, and b) with his ingenuity,
>>built and directed the creation of a society that non-Whites would enjoy.
>
> Wrong. The Chinese came here on their own accord, first during the Gold Rush.

Bullshit. But believe what you want.

> And *they* built the Chinese communities, not the “whites.”

Ooh, and the Chinese communities are just so great, eh?

>>> Every Chinatown in North America. >
>>
>>’Scuse me?!? Chinatowns are based on the premise of SEPARATION, dude, NOT
>>integration.
>
> That wasn’t the question I was answering to. The question was about
> MULTICULTURALISM.

… by bringing in totally frivolous “arguments”, about ghetto communities.

Les

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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) drools:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten ([email protected]) wrote:

>>> [edited out Stone’s suggestion that I go away]
>
>>Why? It was a valid suggestion. You have NOTHING to contribute to
>>anything that’s said here; at best, you can play at being a “gadfly”, like
>>Socrates, making a noise (and a whiny one at that), but not really saying
>>anything.
>
> And what do you contribute, Herr Oberfartenundpimpfenschtickenfuhrer?
> Besides your thought provoking questions (like “why are niggers less
> evolved?”), which you don’t know how to handle so you change them to
> something even more ridiculous and vague (like “why are niggers so
> backward?”).

Ah, been taking lessons from Jeffrey G. Brown, have you? Can’t pull your
own weight?

> And the brilliant evidence you have carefully (and very
> selectively) gleaned from choice scholarly works on “racial science”
> like the businessman Carleton Putnam’s 35 year old piece of garbage.

Mr. Putanm’s “35 year old piece of garbage”… which you have entirely
failed to address, relying instead upon defamation of Mr. Putnam’s
character. “He’s an anti-semite!”, you’ve trumpeted, as if that settled
the issue.

Les

From [email protected] Thu Apr 11 11:06:05 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) talks around:

(snip)

[Ouro.]:
>>Believe or not, PC Maps can distinguish the races quite well.
>>Your argument is debunked, please stop repeating such garbage in future.
>
> Wow, that was a compelling argument. You sure convinced me, Mr. Stone.
> You say it is so, and that’s it, isn’t it!! Whataguy!!
>
> As it happens, I came across a book the other day with some PC maps
> in it. It is a book by L.L. Cavalli-Sforza and his son F. C-S,
> “The Great Human Diasporas: The History of Diversity and Evolution”,
> published in 1995. The maps include Europe west of the Caucasus
> mountains or thereabouts (?), Turkey and parts of the Middle East.

Was that before or after Cavalli-Sforza said that there should be NO
investigations into racial differences?

(rest of useless Fester cow-snot deleted)

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 12 10:15:41 PDT 1996
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Caesar ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>
> [email protected] “Ourobouros” writes:
>
>>
>> One of the simplest ideas that immigrants from darkest Africa miss is
>> basic hygiene. Most do not even know what a toilet is (they just excrete
>> in the local washing river).
>
> People in medieval English towns used to shit in the nearest river as
> well.
>
> There was a massive cholera epidemic in 1840s London because of
> the unhygenic water people were drinking.

Just a couple of quick questions, Pizza Dude/Dudette:

1) Is this 1840s London we’re discussing, or 1990s Africa? I thought so.

2) Are you then suggesting that negroes are equivalent to 1840s
Londoners, and that we therefore have an obligation to “help them out”?
If so, let me point something out to you: NO ONE helped the 1840s
Londoners out of their situation. They did it themselves.

BTW, is this just another example of a liberal dichotomy, to whit, any
anthropological research more than 30 years old is wrong, but how whites
used to live more than a century ago can somehow be used as justification
for the squallor and primitiveness of negroes today?

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 12 10:34:20 PDT 1996
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Ourobouros ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) says:
>>
>>In article <[email protected]>, Les Griswold wrote:
>>
> *sigh*
>
> Here we go again:
>
> [Les]
>
>> “When two closely related branches cross, that is NOT
>> miscegenation. When a White crosses with a non-White,
>> that IS miscegenation.”
>>
>>Interesting that Mr. Griswold choses to ignore the genetic
>>evidence – evidence which makes it clear that his thesis is
>>sheer, unadulterated crap.
>>
> How many times does something have to be repeated?

With liberals, don’t expect an end to having to repeat yourself. They
just KNOW that they’re right.

> How many more times will McVay demonstrate that he likes being blissfully
> ignorant?

As often as he posts.

> Believe or not, PC Maps can distinguish the races quite well.
>
> Your argument is debunked, please stop repeating such garbage in future.

Don’t hold your breath, though. Garbage and half-baked stories are his
stock-in-trade.

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 12 12:06:51 PDT 1996
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Stewart “Chicken a la” King ([email protected]) writes:
> Ourobouros ([email protected]) wrote:
> : In article <[email protected]>,
> : [email protected] (Les Griswold) says:
>
> : [Les]
> : Ourobouros’ point is, SOME of the former Soviet territories are doing
> : poorly. SOME of them are doing well. But ALL of the White man’s former
> : territories in Africa are doing poorly.
>
> Well they’re not quite the same thing, now are they? The Soviet chunks
> were part of a nation that the Russians were (supposedly) trying to
> govern to maximum efficiency and development. I’m not saying they were
> doing this well, but the effort was there.

Bullshit. The commies, just like the capitalists, were/are ONLY
interested in their OWN furtherance. Life is not all peachy keen, Stewie.

> All the Europeans wanted from Africa was raw materials; they weren’t trying
> to build up the societies or infrastructures at all.

But they did anyway. Really, Stewie, you’re letting your obvious
anti-White passions get in the way of your (supposedly) noble ideas. This
reminds me of the loony leftists who were getting woodies over the suicide
of South Africa in April 1994: “This is the first time Blacks have voted
in THREE HUNDRED YEARS!”, conveniently forgetting that it was the first
time that negroes EVER voted.

> : This of course demonstrates the liberals quest to twist words.
> : Unfortunately for caesar, this thread starts with “Secondly” which would
> : hint at a “firstly.” It also demonstrates that liberals can only change
> : topic as opposed to debating them. Though of course, liberals like Miss
> : Finsten insist that they do not in fact “dodge” topics.
>
> All liberals, Ouro? Every last one?

Basically, yes.

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 12 12:06:52 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) breaks out her violin:
>>> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>>>2) Are you then suggesting that negroes are equivalent to 1840s
>>>>Londoners, and that we therefore have an obligation to “help them out”?
>>>>If so, let me point something out to you: NO ONE helped the 1840s
>>>>Londoners out of their situation. They did it themselves.
>
> The wealth accumulated through colonialism, derived from the labour
> of those colonised and from the land expropriated through colonialism,
> “helped” the British immensely, Herr Oberschleppenundguzzlenfuhrer.

Yes, Fester, I’m not going to deny that the British colonized much of
Africa, and other parts of the non-White world. But, I WILL say, SO WHAT?
Do you SERIOUSLY think that it was ALL a one-way street? That the
colonized got NOTHING in return for their contributions to
colonialisation? Try literacy, medicine above the witch-doctor level,
and basic hygiene, for starters. Then, if you can get your anti-White
bigotry out of the way for a few minutes, go from there.

(snip)

> The British don’t show the same “colonial verve” today, either,

No, they don’t. More’s the pity.

> or perhaps you are stuck in the 1930s. And perhaps you haven’t noticed that
> today such “colonial verve”, perhaps exemplified by Saddam Hussein’s aborted
> attempt to annex Kuwait, is considered to constitute nothing more than
> invasion. The standards have changed somewhat.

Yes, they have. Mostly in the semantics. Plus, in the New World Order,
we can’t have anyone (ESPECIALLY Muslims) actually FIGHTING, with soldiers
and everything, eh?

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 12 12:09:43 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Stewart “Chicken a la” King ([email protected]) writes:
> Ourobouros ([email protected]) wrote:
> : In article <[email protected]>,
> : [email protected] (Les Griswold) says:
>
> : [Les]
> : Ourobouros’ point is, SOME of the former Soviet territories are doing
> : poorly. SOME of them are doing well. But ALL of the White man’s former
> : territories in Africa are doing poorly.
>
> Well they’re not quite the same thing, now are they? The Soviet chunks
> were part of a nation that the Russians were (supposedly) trying to
> govern to maximum efficiency and development. I’m not saying they were
> doing this well, but the effort was there.

Bullshit. The commies, just like the capitalists, were/are ONLY
interested in their OWN furtherance. Life is not all peachy keen, Stewie.

> All the Europeans wanted from Africa was raw materials; they weren’t trying
> to build up the societies or infrastructures at all.

But they did anyway. Really, Stewie, you’re letting your obvious
anti-White passions get in the way of your (supposedly) noble ideas. This
reminds me of the loony leftists who were getting woodies over the suicide
of South Africa in April 1994: “This is the first time Blacks have voted
in THREE HUNDRED YEARS!”, conveniently forgetting that it was the first
time that negroes EVER voted.

> : This of course demonstrates the liberals quest to twist words.
> : Unfortunately for caesar, this thread starts with “Secondly” which would
> : hint at a “firstly.” It also demonstrates that liberals can only change
> : topic as opposed to debating them. Though of course, liberals like Miss
> : Finsten insist that they do not in fact “dodge” topics.
>
> All liberals, Ouro? Every last one?

Basically, yes.

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 12 12:09:45 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) breaks out her violin:
>>> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>>>2) Are you then suggesting that negroes are equivalent to 1840s
>>>>Londoners, and that we therefore have an obligation to “help them out”?
>>>>If so, let me point something out to you: NO ONE helped the 1840s
>>>>Londoners out of their situation. They did it themselves.
>
> The wealth accumulated through colonialism, derived from the labour
> of those colonised and from the land expropriated through colonialism,
> “helped” the British immensely, Herr Oberschleppenundguzzlenfuhrer.

Yes, Fester, I’m not going to deny that the British colonized much of
Africa, and other parts of the non-White world. But, I WILL say, SO WHAT?
Do you SERIOUSLY think that it was ALL a one-way street? That the
colonized got NOTHING in return for their contributions to
colonialisation? Try literacy, medicine above the witch-doctor level,
and basic hygiene, for starters. Then, if you can get your anti-White
bigotry out of the way for a few minutes, go from there.

(snip)

> The British don’t show the same “colonial verve” today, either,

No, they don’t. More’s the pity.

> or perhaps you are stuck in the 1930s. And perhaps you haven’t noticed that
> today such “colonial verve”, perhaps exemplified by Saddam Hussein’s aborted
> attempt to annex Kuwait, is considered to constitute nothing more than
> invasion. The standards have changed somewhat.

Yes, they have. Mostly in the semantics. Plus, in the New World Order,
we can’t have anyone (ESPECIALLY Muslims) actually FIGHTING, with soldiers
and everything, eh?

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 12 14:10:54 PDT 1996
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Matt Nuenke () writes:
> On 8 Apr 1996 19:22:11 GMT, lblack wrote:

(snip – hysteria deleted)

>>So I say this (and I mean you Les);
>>
>>Why are white supremacists so backwards.

They aren’t. My question was based in empirical observation, and
(relative) impartiality; yours is based in defensiveness and outrage.

>>In fact:
>>
>>Prove to me that the ‘white race’ as a whole isn’t backwards.

See above.

>>By backwards, I mean “slow in development or retarded”. Did
>>you get that? Good.

Using that definition of “backwards”, the question is totally ludicrous,
and your inability to address the original question is revealed. So you
hope to divert attention by venting some of your spleen against what you
know to be the truth (ie, that niggers are backwards).

> Actually, if you are talking about intelligence, then whites are
> backwards when compared to Asians.

Nonsense.

> Also, Asians are backwards when compared to the white group of Jews.

That’s neat. Jews constitute whites when it’s beneficial to them, but are
just a religious group when the white label is not advantageous. Geez,
and Crazy Jeannie thinks that *I* have mighty morphin’ power kids – THEY
can do it with a whole RACE!

> Any grouping can be used to compare backwardness between groups if IQ is the
> criteria or proxy for backwardness.

… and if sloppy criteria are used to determine who is “white”.

> Once this is established or accepted, then it is just a
> matter of giving an IQ test to the different groups to determine who
> is the most backward. Why such a fuss over such an easy concept. All
> we have to do is accept how superior the Jews are to everyone else and
> let them rule the world. But then, male Jews still suffer from the
> testosterone problem and nepotism. The best world government would be
> made up of Jewish lesbians. They would be intelligent, egalitarian,
> non-aggressive, and would not practice nepotism. A perfect government.

🙂

Les

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Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:
>
>>>>> And *they* built the Chinese communities, not the “whites.”
>>>>
>>>>Ooh, and the Chinese communities are just so great, eh?
>>>
>>> You are speaking to a Chinese-Canadian (who was born in Canada, BTW). What
>>> the hell do you *THINK* my answer is?
>>
>>Yes, I know you’re biased in favour of chinese. Mighty white of you to
>>admit it, finally.
>
> Admit is the wrong word. I FLAUNT it.

Why?

>>Ghetto communities also make outsiders feel UNWELCOME. It is the height
>>of brazeness for non-Whites to come here and recreate exactly the
>>conditions they were fleeing from originally, and to make Whites feel like
>>intruders.
>
> This is incorrect. Of course.

How so?

Les

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Arthur LeBouthillier ([email protected]) writes:
> Cthulu, says:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, Arthur LeBouthillier > wrote:
>>>Cthulu, asks
>>
>>>Can you read? As I specifically stated, by one connotation, a race
>>>is an ethnic group. Therefore, since Jews are an ethnic group, they
>>>are a race. The term “ethnic group” didn’t come into popularity until
>>>after WW2. Prior to that, “race” was the common word for all ethnic
>>>groupings whether explicitly linked by blood or not.
>>
>> A race is certainly different from an Ethnic group. The Vietnamese
>> and Chinese are in different ethnic groups. Ditto for the Ukranians
>> and the French. If you’re going to say that the Vietnamese and
>> Chinese are of different races, then I’d be surprised.
>
> You liberals pretend you’re so damn sophisticated and then you can’t
> seem to appreciate the fact that a single lexical unit (a written
> word) may have several connotations (which may or may not be related
> to each other). Ambiguity is a feature of all human languages. There
> is a difference between lexical, syntactic and semantic symbols in
> the mind (at least in most people’s minds).
>
> In accordance with at least several definitions of the word “race,”
> there most definitely *IS* a Chinese Race and a Vietnamese Race.
> They are not the same race, although they may both belong to a larger
> abstraction, also called “a race” (i.e. the Mongoloid race). However,
> in one case the word “race” is in an ethnological context and in the
> other in an anthropological or biological context. They may not refer
> to the same thing. In order to avoid this, you must be more specific
> about the particular connotation you are using (which I *DO* tend to
> do).
>
> Get a clue. Learn to think.

Arthur, ambiguity allows liberals to have their cake and eat it too. Just
look at the recent performances by Laura Finsten, in which she alternately
submits (totally trivial) facts, and tries to subtly slip in moral
judgements right along with them. For example, she argued that Carleton
Putnam was an “anti-semite” (fact), and that invalidated anything he might
have said (moral judgement).

Les

From [email protected] Sat Apr 13 11:04:41 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) gets out the sackcloth and
ashes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

Fester:
>>> The wealth accumulated through colonialism, derived from the labour
>>> of those colonised and from the land expropriated through colonialism,
>>> “helped” the British immensely, Herr Oberschleppenundguzzlenfuhrer.

Moi:
>>Yes, Fester, I’m not going to deny that the British colonized much of
>>Africa, and other parts of the non-White world. But, I WILL say, SO WHAT?
>>Do you SERIOUSLY think that it was ALL a one-way street? That the
>>colonized got NOTHING in return for their contributions to
>>colonialisation? Try literacy, medicine above the witch-doctor level,
>>and basic hygiene, for starters. Then, if you can get your anti-White
>>bigotry out of the way for a few minutes, go from there.
>
> Literacy has only become relatively widespread in former colonies since
> colonial governments were disbanded. Ditto for medical facilities.

And the UN has adopted a paternalistic “helping hand” towards the Third
World. Unlike the UN, the colonial powers were motivated in large part by
SELF-INTEREST, and were honest enough to admit it. The colonial powers
were doing what was best FOR THEIR NATIVE POPULATIONS, not playing some
sort of damn game about “help the non-Whites at the expense of our own
people”, like the UN.

> By “basic hygiene” are you referring to plumbing? In fact, most former
> colonies still lack those modern amenities except in select urban areas.

I didn’t realize that you were an authority on Third World toilets, Fester
🙂 But seriously…

Whose fault is it that the “former colonies” STILL lack modern facilities,
except in select urban areas? The White man’s?

> But this is not directly relevant to the original issue, which was the
> beneficial impact of colonisation on the societies back home, the societies
> of the colonisers. Do you seriously think that the primary motivation
> of British colonisation was to bring the benefits enjoyed the British upper
> class to all of Africa, India and other areas brought under colonial
> rule?

Not at all. The British government, like every other government that sought
colonies abroad, was interested primarily in the welfare of the people to
whom they had an obligation. Kipling’s “White Man’s Burden” was a
commentary of the foolish, dysgenic practices of foreign conquest, not a
blueprint for “invading” the Third World.

> After all, during much of the colonial era, there was little
> enough concern in England with bringing those benefits to the English
> lower class itself.

But eventually, those benefits DID “trickle down”.

Les

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Eugene Holman ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>> Eugene Holman ([email protected]) writes:
>
>> > I think the implication is more ‘there but for the grace of good are you’.
>> > The recent events in former Yugoslavia and Chechnya show how rapidly
>> > Whites – oops whites – can revert to conditions you would consider
>> > ‘squalid’ and ‘primitive’. Similarly, the existence of hundreds of clean
>> > and well-maintained middle and upper class predominantly Negro
>> > neighborhoods in the United States, and Canada, as well as in the African
>> > countries (their elites often live quite well), as well as the existence
>> > of wretched and filthy white-inhabited slums in places like Liverpool,
>> > Dublin, Glasgow (I won’t even mention Eastern Europe this time, except to
>> > take a jibe at Bucharest, one of the foulest places I’ve ever visited) and
>> > other places in today’s world (visit the North of England some time),
>> > tells us that it’s something other than race that determines the level of
>> > filth and unsanitary conditions people are willing or have to put up with.
>>
>> Like hell. You’re simply lying about slums.
>
> Why shpuld I lie in front of the cyberworld about something any well
> travelled person knows: the north of England is one of the most
> economically depressed areas in Europe.

Because lying comes naturally to liberals.

> I’ve gone slumming in Dublin, Glasgow, and Manchester, and seen a
> wrenching documentary about the slums of depressed Liverpool. I’ve seen
> entire districts that were built as minimal housing for industrial workers
> (= slums) more than a century ago. Little has happened since then: they
> still lack heat, often have communal toilets, and unemployment runs in the
> sixty to eighty per cent range. There are many, many extremely depressed
> urban districts in the north of England.

And while you’re waxing eloquent about the poverty of Liverpool (which has
a large and growing number of East and West Indians), why don’t you tell
us about the Tower of Kinshasha? Sarcasm aside, my point is, BOTH White
and negro civilization have poverty, but ONLY White civilization has
reached the heights it has.

> Of course you can always counter that the populations of these areas are
> not PURELY WHITE: you have your occasional immigrant family from the
> Caribbean, China, or India, and the Irish, with ten and twelve children
> per family, are often a sizable minority.

“Occaisional”? See my point about liberals and lying.

> The important thing is that
> these places, having been built for smokestack industries that no longer
> exist, are too impoverished to have attracted any but the occasional
> third-world immigrant.

Doesn’t say much for the level of their expectations or intelligence, if Third
Worlders will abandon the wealth and plenty of their home countries to come
live in White slums.

(snip)

> I know of no city that is PURELY WHITE. Even Reykjavik has a few Somalis
> and Vietnamese settlers.

And these Somalis and Vietnamese are representative of their home
countries, right?

(snip)

>> > If Negroes are so much into squalor and primitiveness, how is it that so
>> > many rich North Americans hire them to clean, cook, manage the household,
>> > and raise their children?
>>
>> And why do so many parents trust the family dog with their children? Does
>> this mean that they believe dogs are the equals of humans?
>
> Trusting the family dog with the children for a few hours a day and
> employing a person to cook, clean, manage your household, and supervise
> the raising of your children are slightly different kettles of fish.

Dogs can be housebroken. But their natural tendency is to poop wherever
the spirit moves them. In a similar vein, negroes can be taught. But is
this their natural nature? Was Christianity? Was literacy?

Les

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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) gets out the sackcloth and
ashes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

Fester:
>>> The wealth accumulated through colonialism, derived from the labour
>>> of those colonised and from the land expropriated through colonialism,
>>> “helped” the British immensely, Herr Oberschleppenundguzzlenfuhrer.

Moi:
>>Yes, Fester, I’m not going to deny that the British colonized much of
>>Africa, and other parts of the non-White world. But, I WILL say, SO WHAT?
>>Do you SERIOUSLY think that it was ALL a one-way street? That the
>>colonized got NOTHING in return for their contributions to
>>colonialisation? Try literacy, medicine above the witch-doctor level,
>>and basic hygiene, for starters. Then, if you can get your anti-White
>>bigotry out of the way for a few minutes, go from there.
>
> Literacy has only become relatively widespread in former colonies since
> colonial governments were disbanded. Ditto for medical facilities.

And the UN has adopted a paternalistic “helping hand” towards the Third
World. Unlike the UN, the colonial powers were motivated in large part by
SELF-INTEREST, and were honest enough to admit it. The colonial powers
were doing what was best FOR THEIR NATIVE POPULATIONS, not playing some
sort of damn game about “help the non-Whites at the expense of our own
people”, like the UN.

> By “basic hygiene” are you referring to plumbing? In fact, most former
> colonies still lack those modern amenities except in select urban areas.

I didn’t realize that you were an authority on Third World toilets, Fester
🙂 But seriously…

Whose fault is it that the “former colonies” STILL lack modern facilities,
except in select urban areas? The White man’s?

> But this is not directly relevant to the original issue, which was the
> beneficial impact of colonisation on the societies back home, the societies
> of the colonisers. Do you seriously think that the primary motivation
> of British colonisation was to bring the benefits enjoyed the British upper
> class to all of Africa, India and other areas brought under colonial
> rule?

Not at all. The British government, like every other government that sought
colonies abroad, was interested primarily in the welfare of the people to
whom they had an obligation. Kipling’s “White Man’s Burden” was a
commentary of the foolish, dysgenic practices of foreign conquest, not a
blueprint for “invading” the Third World.

> After all, during much of the colonial era, there was little
> enough concern in England with bringing those benefits to the English
> lower class itself.

But eventually, those benefits DID “trickle down”.

Les

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Eugene Holman ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>> Eugene Holman ([email protected]) writes:
>
>> > I think the implication is more ‘there but for the grace of good are you’.
>> > The recent events in former Yugoslavia and Chechnya show how rapidly
>> > Whites – oops whites – can revert to conditions you would consider
>> > ‘squalid’ and ‘primitive’. Similarly, the existence of hundreds of clean
>> > and well-maintained middle and upper class predominantly Negro
>> > neighborhoods in the United States, and Canada, as well as in the African
>> > countries (their elites often live quite well), as well as the existence
>> > of wretched and filthy white-inhabited slums in places like Liverpool,
>> > Dublin, Glasgow (I won’t even mention Eastern Europe this time, except to
>> > take a jibe at Bucharest, one of the foulest places I’ve ever visited) and
>> > other places in today’s world (visit the North of England some time),
>> > tells us that it’s something other than race that determines the level of
>> > filth and unsanitary conditions people are willing or have to put up with.
>>
>> Like hell. You’re simply lying about slums.
>
> Why shpuld I lie in front of the cyberworld about something any well
> travelled person knows: the north of England is one of the most
> economically depressed areas in Europe.

Because lying comes naturally to liberals.

> I’ve gone slumming in Dublin, Glasgow, and Manchester, and seen a
> wrenching documentary about the slums of depressed Liverpool. I’ve seen
> entire districts that were built as minimal housing for industrial workers
> (= slums) more than a century ago. Little has happened since then: they
> still lack heat, often have communal toilets, and unemployment runs in the
> sixty to eighty per cent range. There are many, many extremely depressed
> urban districts in the north of England.

And while you’re waxing eloquent about the poverty of Liverpool (which has
a large and growing number of East and West Indians), why don’t you tell
us about the Tower of Kinshasha? Sarcasm aside, my point is, BOTH White
and negro civilization have poverty, but ONLY White civilization has
reached the heights it has.

> Of course you can always counter that the populations of these areas are
> not PURELY WHITE: you have your occasional immigrant family from the
> Caribbean, China, or India, and the Irish, with ten and twelve children
> per family, are often a sizable minority.

“Occaisional”? See my point about liberals and lying.

> The important thing is that
> these places, having been built for smokestack industries that no longer
> exist, are too impoverished to have attracted any but the occasional
> third-world immigrant.

Doesn’t say much for the level of their expectations or intelligence, if Third
Worlders will abandon the wealth and plenty of their home countries to come
live in White slums.

(snip)

> I know of no city that is PURELY WHITE. Even Reykjavik has a few Somalis
> and Vietnamese settlers.

And these Somalis and Vietnamese are representative of their home
countries, right?

(snip)

>> > If Negroes are so much into squalor and primitiveness, how is it that so
>> > many rich North Americans hire them to clean, cook, manage the household,
>> > and raise their children?
>>
>> And why do so many parents trust the family dog with their children? Does
>> this mean that they believe dogs are the equals of humans?
>
> Trusting the family dog with the children for a few hours a day and
> employing a person to cook, clean, manage your household, and supervise
> the raising of your children are slightly different kettles of fish.

Dogs can be housebroken. But their natural tendency is to poop wherever
the spirit moves them. In a similar vein, negroes can be taught. But is
this their natural nature? Was Christianity? Was literacy?

Les

From [email protected] Sat Apr 13 11:09:31 PDT 1996
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Fragano Ledgister ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:
> : Rob Kowalewski ([email protected]) writes:
> : > Yo! Big Fella! A question for ya:
> : >
> : > Let us suppose that the National Alliance, by some means, found itself in
> : > the seats of power in Canada and the US tomorrow morning.
> : >
> : > Now, given the overwhelming popular rejection of your philosophy (as I
> : > tried to discuss with you in a previous thread), just how do y’all plan to
> : > run the countries?
> : >
> : > Put aside the question of having to quell massive dissent for a minute-
> : >
> : > What I’m wondering is, where do you find the expertise to manage the
> : > nuts-and-bolts operations of two huge countries?
> : >
> : > Would you, being in the security profession, suddenly find yourself
> : > Secretary of Defense? And assuming (for the sake of arguement) that the NA
> : > is smart enough to avoid strict isolationism, who would be dealing with
> : > other countries in matters of diplomacy and commerce? (Forgive me for
> : > saying so, but diplomacy is not a skill you folks have demonstrated in
> : > this forum).
> : >
> : > So, to make a long question short, how is it y’all plan to handle
> : > *success* as a miniscule minority of the population?
>
> : How do the Chosen minority do it? Popular approval?
>
> Er, exactly what do you mean? I presume that the Groton and Andover
> educated ‘Chosen’, which is what I take you to mean, do so because
> their ancestors came over on the _Mayflower_.

No, I mean the jews. Geez, can’t you liberals keep ANYTHING in your minds
for more than a few days?

Les

From [email protected] Sat Apr 13 11:09:32 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Carleton Putnam (Hi, Fester!)
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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Carleton Putnam’s _Race and Reason_ was endorsed by the Dr. R. Ruggle
>>Gates. Who was Dr. Gates? Well, he was:
>
> [Gates’ CV deleted only for brevity. He was a Canadian, too.}
>
>>So, Fester, are you telling us that YOUR judgement of Mr. Putnam weighs
>>more heavily than that of a Emeritus Professor, one of the foremost human
>>geneticists, and an anthropologist? Considering the arrogance of people
>>like you, it probably does, in your own little world.
>
> Herr Oberunterpimplenpimpfenfuhrer, I have not questioned Gates’ credentials.
> Nowhere have I suggested that there weren’t lots of racist biologists,
> physical anthropologists, or other scientists in the earlier part of this
> century.

That should tell you something. But of course, you refuse to come to the
logical conclusion.

> Only in your demented antisemitic mind, as, apparently, in the
> mind of Putnam and those who were willing to endorse “Race and Reason”
> is being Jewish sufficient to call one’s scientific judgement into
> question.

Exactly. Jews are notorious for suborning ANYTHING to their own ends.

> I’ve noted this hypocritical standard of yours several times now and you
> refuse to address it.

Could you define “hypocritical” for me?

> Boas’ academic credentials, and those of his students and of other students,
> were just as good if not better than Gates’.

Like hell.

> Are YOU denying that Carleton Putnam was a businessman with no formal
> training in biology, anthropology or human evolution? Are YOU denying
> that Putnam was an antisemite?

No. But Carleton Putnam was a highly intelligent, inquisitve man. _Race
and Reason_ contains more than just mentioning that Boas was a jew, you
know. If anyone here is harping on that, it’s you.

Les

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Caesar ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>
> [email protected] “Les Griswold” writes:
>
>> 1) Is this 1840s London we’re discussing, or 1990s Africa? I thought so.
>
> Both.

1990s Africa. You brought up 1840s London as a red herring.

>> 2) Are you then suggesting that negroes are equivalent to 1840s
>> Londoners, and that we therefore have an obligation to “help them out”?
>> If so, let me point something out to you: NO ONE helped the 1840s
>> Londoners out of their situation. They did it themselves.
>
> Laws passed by the British government and funding provided by the government
> led to the creation of a sewage system in London.
>
> The actual poor Londoners did not stop dumping sewage in the
> river until a proper sewage system was created.

How were the poor supposed to use facilities that didn’t exist?

>> BTW, is this just another example of a liberal dichotomy, to whit, any
>> anthropological research more than 30 years old is wrong, but how whites
>> used to live more than a century ago can somehow be used as justification
>> for the squallor and primitiveness of negroes today?
>
> Are you suggesting that the “master white race” has evolved dramatically
> in the last 100 years in order to become the “master white race”.

Not at all. Rather, I’m alluding to the FACT that the White race had
ALREADY DEVELOPED the foresight to recognize that dumping waste in the
Thames was not a good thing to do.

Les

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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten ([email protected]) writes:
>
> [edit]
>
>>> Let me see if I can get your position on this straight, Herr Griswold.
>>> Putnam’s major criticism of the work by Franz Boas and his students
>>> rests heavily on Putnam’s observation the Boas and some of his students
>>> were Jews. (fact)
>
>>Partly correct. Mr. Putnam’s case does not rest SOLELY, or even heavily, on
>>the FACT that Boas and most of his protoges were jews. He DOES mention
>>it, true, and suggests that it may IN PART explain Boas’ almost hysterical
>>need to “prove” environment over hereditary.
>
> Well, Herr Oberpimpfenstumpfenfuhrer, having read Putnam’s “Race and Reason”,
> Boas’ Jewishness is the *only* thing approaching a substantive reason
> put forward as “criticism” of the research carried out by Boas and his
> students.

As I said earlier, jews are notorious for suborning anything (even
science) to their own ends.

> Putnam doesn’t analyse Boas’ data, methods.

In other words, he doesn’t play the game according to YOUR rules, and come
to conclusions that YOU find acceptable.

Boas’ “data” and “methods” are so laughable as to require no refutation.
If anyone is interested in READING his garbage, they can look it up in a
library.

Had Mr. Putnam included excerpts of Boas, your criticism would have been
that he didn’t include ENOUGH. The only thing that wold make you happy
would be a TOTAL reproduction in _Race amd Reason_ of EVERYTHING that Boas
EVER wrote about his “studies”.

> He doesn’t
> analyse the data and methods of studies which he vaguely alludes to
> as contradicting Boas’ results. In fact, there is virtually no substance
> (from a scientific viewpoint) in the book.

That’s bullshit. If YOU’RE too lazy to undertake the path that Mr. Putnam
points out by naming PHYSICAL anthropologists and the dates and locations
of their studies, how is that HIS fault?

>>> This, in Putnam’s view, automatically discredits
>>> any and all of the research conducted by these anthropologists (moral?
>>> or some kind of weird judgement, clearly not a scholarly one). This is
>>> in fact the point that I was attempting to make when I discussed the
>>> context and overall tone of Putnam’s “Race and Reason. Now you seem
>>> to have a problem with this sort of reasoning, or so you have said
>>> above. Trying to have your cake and eat it too, Herr Oberubergruber-
>>> fuhrer?
>
>>Don’t try to make nice with me, Fester, it won’t work. Your “reasoning”
>>(and I use the word VERY carefully) was that Mr. Putnam’s putative
>>”anti-semitism” invalidated his whole position. Stop trying to dance
>>around the issue. Mr. Putnam mentioned that Boas and many of his students
>>were jews (fact). This, and this ALONE, is what you were interested in
>>focussing on. Stop lying.
>
> Gosh I sure didn’t intend to give you the impression that I was “making
> nice with you”, Herr Unterschtumpenschitzellenfuhrer. There isn’t any
> substance in the book to criticise, except for the same sorts of sweeping
> generalisations that you make about “backwardness”, “limited educability”,
> “miscegenation”, and that sort of bullcrap. I guess we could talk in
> some detail about the nonsensical assertion buried in there somewhere
> about “impaired frontal lobe” development.

Care to try and refute that?

> Shall I go to the medical
> library and look up some sources on neuroanatomy, Herr Obergooberfuhrer,
> or do you think that the entire field of neuroanatomy has been poisoned
> by the “Boasian hysteria” to prove racial equality?

Please DO go look into a library and try to find ANY PHYSICAL research
into neuroanatomy, instead of the touchy-feely bullcrap about “environment”.

Les

From [email protected] Sun Apr 14 11:08:54 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>>Dogs can be housebroken. But their natural tendency is to poop wherever
>>the spirit moves them. In a similar vein, negroes can be taught. But is
>>this their natural nature? Was Christianity? Was literacy?
>
> Gosh, Herr Oberfartenfuhrer, are you suggesting that Christianity and
> literacy are genetic?

Nope. I’m arguing that literacy and Christianity are NOT NATURAL to
negroes, but were both adopted by them after the White Race taught them to
those ingrates.

I titled this message as I did, because it occurred to me that liberals
(uh, that’s you, Fester, and people who share your perverse values) will
spray out a cloud of ink to cover your retreat. In the case of octopi, it
really is ink; in the case of liberals, it’s verbosity based on deliberate
distortion of what’s said.

Les

From [email protected] Sun Apr 14 11:08:55 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Stewart “Chiken a la” King ([email protected]) writes:
> Ourobouros ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : This is the fundamental difference between us and you. You are for the
> : improvement of the individual first, and stuff the nation. Whereas we
> : believe in putting the nation first, so that we can all reap the benefits.
> : Two totally different tactics. We put the nation first so that individuals
> : will ultimately benefit from it. You put the individual first whether it
> : benefits the nation or not (and most frequently not). Your ideas are
> : destroying the nation so that the end result is nobody benefits; all are
> : losers.
>
> : You promote diversity, whereas a nation needs unity to survive. This is
> : easily proved: If an aggressor comes along to a nation that promotes
> : diversity, what happens? It is easily flattened, because the individuals
> : cannot work together. But what happens if the aggressor fights a nation
> : that is unified? There is a battle royal. Oh, if you’re one of these
> : people that abhors fighting and believes in compromise, just look at the
> : interwar period and Great Britain’s ‘success’ at compromising. Must say,
> : being a wimp in negotiations is really beneficial.
>
> The sad thing is, this isn’t really all that wrong. All I’m saying is
> that finding the kind of unity you speak of shouldn’t be impossible in a
> society with more than one race in it.

It shouldn’t be, but it is. That’s the problem with you liberals: you
want the world to be a certain way, and you’ll argue passionately for it
to BE that way, and to hell with the facts. Never let reality intrude on your
dreams, eh?

Les

From [email protected] Sun Apr 14 11:09:01 PDT 1996
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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> Laura Finsten ([email protected]) writes:
> > [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
> >
> >>Dogs can be housebroken. But their natural tendency is to poop wherever
> >>the spirit moves them. In a similar vein, negroes can be taught. But is
> >>this their natural nature? Was Christianity? Was literacy?
> >
> > Gosh, Herr Oberfartenfuhrer, are you suggesting that Christianity and
> > literacy are genetic?
>
> Nope. I’m arguing that literacy and Christianity are NOT NATURAL to
> negroes, but were both adopted by them after the White Race taught them to
> those ingrates.
>
> I titled this message as I did, because it occurred to me that liberals
> (uh, that’s you, Fester, and people who share your perverse values) will
> spray out a cloud of ink to cover your retreat. In the case of octopi, it
> really is ink; in the case of liberals, it’s verbosity based on deliberate
> distortion of what’s said.
>
> Les

Why don’t you take your christianity and shove it up your asshole Les? Where it
belongs…

eB

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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>>Dogs can be housebroken. But their natural tendency is to poop wherever
>>the spirit moves them. In a similar vein, negroes can be taught. But is
>>this their natural nature? Was Christianity? Was literacy?
>
> Gosh, Herr Oberfartenfuhrer, are you suggesting that Christianity and
> literacy are genetic?

Nope. I’m arguing that literacy and Christianity are NOT NATURAL to
negroes, but were both adopted by them after the White Race taught them to
those ingrates.

I titled this message as I did, because it occurred to me that liberals
(uh, that’s you, Fester, and people who share your perverse values) will
spray out a cloud of ink to cover your retreat. In the case of octopi, it
really is ink; in the case of liberals, it’s verbosity based on deliberate
distortion of what’s said.

Les

From [email protected] Sun Apr 14 11:11:48 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Stewart “Chiken a la” King ([email protected]) writes:
> Ourobouros ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : This is the fundamental difference between us and you. You are for the
> : improvement of the individual first, and stuff the nation. Whereas we
> : believe in putting the nation first, so that we can all reap the benefits.
> : Two totally different tactics. We put the nation first so that individuals
> : will ultimately benefit from it. You put the individual first whether it
> : benefits the nation or not (and most frequently not). Your ideas are
> : destroying the nation so that the end result is nobody benefits; all are
> : losers.
>
> : You promote diversity, whereas a nation needs unity to survive. This is
> : easily proved: If an aggressor comes along to a nation that promotes
> : diversity, what happens? It is easily flattened, because the individuals
> : cannot work together. But what happens if the aggressor fights a nation
> : that is unified? There is a battle royal. Oh, if you’re one of these
> : people that abhors fighting and believes in compromise, just look at the
> : interwar period and Great Britain’s ‘success’ at compromising. Must say,
> : being a wimp in negotiations is really beneficial.
>
> The sad thing is, this isn’t really all that wrong. All I’m saying is
> that finding the kind of unity you speak of shouldn’t be impossible in a
> society with more than one race in it.

It shouldn’t be, but it is. That’s the problem with you liberals: you
want the world to be a certain way, and you’ll argue passionately for it
to BE that way, and to hell with the facts. Never let reality intrude on your
dreams, eh?

Les

From [email protected] Sun Apr 14 11:12:00 PDT 1996
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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> Laura Finsten ([email protected]) writes:
> > [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
> >
> >>Dogs can be housebroken. But their natural tendency is to poop wherever
> >>the spirit moves them. In a similar vein, negroes can be taught. But is
> >>this their natural nature? Was Christianity? Was literacy?
> >
> > Gosh, Herr Oberfartenfuhrer, are you suggesting that Christianity and
> > literacy are genetic?
>
> Nope. I’m arguing that literacy and Christianity are NOT NATURAL to
> negroes, but were both adopted by them after the White Race taught them to
> those ingrates.
>
> I titled this message as I did, because it occurred to me that liberals
> (uh, that’s you, Fester, and people who share your perverse values) will
> spray out a cloud of ink to cover your retreat. In the case of octopi, it
> really is ink; in the case of liberals, it’s verbosity based on deliberate
> distortion of what’s said.
>
> Les

Why don’t you take your christianity and shove it up your asshole Les? Where it
belongs…

eB

From [email protected] Sun Apr 14 13:54:19 PDT 1996
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Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>>Er, no. But since you bring it up, interesting that negroes today don’t
>>show the colonial verve that 1840s Europeans (and specifically Britons)
>>did. Really, can you imagine a gang of niggers showing the daring that
>>regiments of British troops did, in suppressing vastly larger numbers of
>>non-Whites?
>
> No because today *everyone* has modern weapons.

And back in the 1840s and 1850s, the British didn’t exactly have
laser-guided missiles and nuclear artillery. Yet, 50,000 soldiers managed
to conquer the sub-continent of India.

>>I recall reading in a book about a lone British soldier at Roarke’s Drift,
>>in Africa, during the Zulu Wars. Single-handedly, with an EMPTY rifle,
>>with only a bayonet attached, he held a DOZEN Zulu _impis_ at bay by
>>backing himself against a wagon wheel. Unfortunately for this brave lad,
>>his fighting elan didn’t save him, as one of the brave Zulu warriors crept
>>behind him and stabbed him from under the wagon.
>
> It’s called psychology. How the hell were they supposed to know that the
> rifle was empty?

Um, the British soldier was using it with a fixed bayonet, and not firing?

This is a trick question, right? There’s NO WAY that ANYONE (even a
liberal) could be so dumb. Well, then again…

> And if I met you in the streets and put a rifle to your head, how
> the hell are you supposed to know whether its loaded or not?

Ah, but this British soldier WASN’T on the street, and neither were the
Zulus.

Les

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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Preserving the gerbils (was Re: Preserving multi”culturalism”)
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Brendan J. F. Scallon ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Greaseball ([email protected]) wrote:
> : Why does it escape fans of multiCULT that the BEST way to PRESERVE all of
> : these wonderful, diverse cultures is through SEPARATION? Throwing all
> : sorts of races together will ONLY result in a bastardized mix.
>
> That means you would have to separate from your gerbils since gerbils have
> a different way of life. Now, Greaseball, don’t put that gerbil up your
> rectum again.

This is really obscene. Really, Scallion, you should take garbage like
this somewhere else.

BTW, whatever happened to your little game of e-mailing pictures of “Miss
Kenya Moore”? Did getting it back sorta put you off?

Les

(P.S.: FreeNet can’t read GIFs anyway)

From [email protected] Sun Apr 14 13:58:57 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>>Er, no. But since you bring it up, interesting that negroes today don’t
>>show the colonial verve that 1840s Europeans (and specifically Britons)
>>did. Really, can you imagine a gang of niggers showing the daring that
>>regiments of British troops did, in suppressing vastly larger numbers of
>>non-Whites?
>
> No because today *everyone* has modern weapons.

And back in the 1840s and 1850s, the British didn’t exactly have
laser-guided missiles and nuclear artillery. Yet, 50,000 soldiers managed
to conquer the sub-continent of India.

>>I recall reading in a book about a lone British soldier at Roarke’s Drift,
>>in Africa, during the Zulu Wars. Single-handedly, with an EMPTY rifle,
>>with only a bayonet attached, he held a DOZEN Zulu _impis_ at bay by
>>backing himself against a wagon wheel. Unfortunately for this brave lad,
>>his fighting elan didn’t save him, as one of the brave Zulu warriors crept
>>behind him and stabbed him from under the wagon.
>
> It’s called psychology. How the hell were they supposed to know that the
> rifle was empty?

Um, the British soldier was using it with a fixed bayonet, and not firing?

This is a trick question, right? There’s NO WAY that ANYONE (even a
liberal) could be so dumb. Well, then again…

> And if I met you in the streets and put a rifle to your head, how
> the hell are you supposed to know whether its loaded or not?

Ah, but this British soldier WASN’T on the street, and neither were the
Zulus.

Les

From [email protected] Sun Apr 14 19:29:10 PDT 1996
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lblack ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:

>>>>So I say this (and I mean you Les);
>>>>
>>>>Why are white supremacists so backwards. (in spiteful response to my
>>>>question as to why are niggers so backwards)

>>They aren’t. My question was based in empirical observation, and
>>(relative) impartiality; yours is based in defensiveness and outrage.

>>>>Prove to me that the ‘white race’ as a whole isn’t backwards.
>>
>>See above.
>>
>>>>By backwards, I mean “slow in development or retarded”. Did
>>>>you get that? Good.
>>
>>Using that definition of “backwards”, the question is totally ludicrous,
>>and your inability to address the original question is revealed. So you
>>hope to divert attention by venting some of your spleen against what you
>>know to be the truth (ie, that niggers are backwards).
>
> If I’m not mistaken, the definition of backwards that I gave
> was very much similar (if not identical) to the definition
> given for the word backwards in the original “Why are niggers
> so backwards?” question. Is the meaning of backwards
> controlled by you and your friends?

Yes, and I realized that the definition of “backwards” that you used was
the same on I was using. I was saying that, by that definition, the
question (ie, “why are Whites backwards?”) was absolutely ludicrous.
Whites AREN’T backwards, unless the definition of “backwards” now means
“more advanced than any other race”.

Les

From [email protected] Mon Apr 15 07:35:50 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Preserving multi”culturalism”
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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
> [edit]
>
>>I’m not doing whatever you’re accusing me of, but if anyone’s doing any
>>throwing, it’s Garza throwing silly blanket accusations without defining
>>his terms. Geneticists such as F.A.E. Crew, Darwin (I know – he’s dead,
>
> Hmmmmmm. Darwin was not a geneticist. Darwin did not say any such thing
> about “free crossing obliterating character” or anything even remotely
> like it.

Bullshit. I have the quote, and the attribution, right in front of me.

>>so he’s probably wrong) and others state that free crossing obliterates
>>character. Carleton S. Coon stated that careless cross-breeding (hello,
>>miscegenation!) kept beneficial mutations from establishing themselves
>
> How does “miscegenation” constitute “careless cross-breeding”?

The same way that spray-painting on highway overpasses constitutes vandalism.

Les

From [email protected] Mon Apr 15 07:35:51 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Carleton Putnam (Hi, Fester!)
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Carleton Putnam’s _Race and Reason_ was endorsed by the Dr. R. Ruggle
Gates. Who was Dr. Gates? Well, he was:

“A Ph.D., D.Sc., LL.D., F.R.S., (1882-1962) one of the most experienced and
distinguished human geneticists, as well as an all-round anthropologist
and ethnologist.” “At the time of his dûeath, he was Emeritus Prof. of
Botany at the University of London. He early displayed the ability and
originality that were to bring him INTERNATIONAL renown. [He was] awarded
the Mendel Medal in 1911. His monumental two-volume _Human Genetics_,
published in 1946 by Macmillan, is recognized as the most comprehensive
survey ever made of normal and abnormal inheritance. (etc, etc)”

[quoted on pp. 567-568 of _Which Way Western Man?_]

So, Fester, are you telling us that YOUR judgement of Mr. Putnam weighs
more heavily than that of a Emeritus Professor, one of the foremost human
geneticists, and an anthropologist? Considering the arrogance of people
like you, it probably does, in your own little world.

Les

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lblack ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:

>>>>So I say this (and I mean you Les);
>>>>
>>>>Why are white supremacists so backwards. (in spiteful response to my
>>>>question as to why are niggers so backwards)

>>They aren’t. My question was based in empirical observation, and
>>(relative) impartiality; yours is based in defensiveness and outrage.

>>>>Prove to me that the ‘white race’ as a whole isn’t backwards.
>>
>>See above.
>>
>>>>By backwards, I mean “slow in development or retarded”. Did
>>>>you get that? Good.
>>
>>Using that definition of “backwards”, the question is totally ludicrous,
>>and your inability to address the original question is revealed. So you
>>hope to divert attention by venting some of your spleen against what you
>>know to be the truth (ie, that niggers are backwards).
>
> If I’m not mistaken, the definition of backwards that I gave
> was very much similar (if not identical) to the definition
> given for the word backwards in the original “Why are niggers
> so backwards?” question. Is the meaning of backwards
> controlled by you and your friends?

Yes, and I realized that the definition of “backwards” that you used was
the same on I was using. I was saying that, by that definition, the
question (ie, “why are Whites backwards?”) was absolutely ludicrous.
Whites AREN’T backwards, unless the definition of “backwards” now means
“more advanced than any other race”.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Apr 16 09:15:02 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten ([email protected]) writes:

(snip – what amounts to Fester getting all hot n’ bothered over Franz
Boas’ head shape)

>>> Pardon me? Here’s a bit of Putnam’s “critique” of Boas’ anthropology:
>>> “If you have not already read him [Boas[, I invite you to a thorough
>>> and impartial study of Boas. I am confident you will find his views
>>> wholly unconvincing, his doctrines more “unsubstantiated” than those
>>> he attacks, and his approach so saturated with wishful thinking as to
>>> be pathetic.” (C. Putnam, “Race and Reason”, p.23) This entire book
>>> is about (and is, in itself part of) a publicity campaign Putnam
>>> launched, and consists for the most part of letters written to
>>> the then Attorney General of the United States and discusses his
>>> campaign, noting the barrage of newspapers his letter was sent to.
>
>>Whatsamatter, Fester? That confirms EXACTLY what I said. _Race and
>>Reason_ was NOT meant to be an edification of Boas. Mr. Putnam had his
>>own points to make in his book, and to my mind (and the minds of many
>>others), made them quite well. That YOU apparently have a problem with
>>someone drawing attention to Boas’ jewishness is immaterial.
>
> Well, that (and your comment above) confirms exactly what I’ve been
> saying all along.

Like hell. You’re just too damned chicken-shit to admit that you’re
wrong, and that _Race and Reason_ isn’t all about Franz Boas, and you’re
hoping that everyone who’s nominally on your side will be too lazy and/or
cheap to check it out for themselves.

> Carleton Putnam’s “Race and Reason” is a vilification
> of Boasian anthropology based on nothing more than Putnam’s antisemitism
> and paranoia about Jews (and “non-whites”).

No. _Race and Reason_ is, among many other things, a critique of Boas
based on Boas’ shitty work.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Apr 16 09:53:34 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten ([email protected]) writes:

(snip – what amounts to Fester getting all hot n’ bothered over Franz
Boas’ head shape)

>>> Pardon me? Here’s a bit of Putnam’s “critique” of Boas’ anthropology:
>>> “If you have not already read him [Boas[, I invite you to a thorough
>>> and impartial study of Boas. I am confident you will find his views
>>> wholly unconvincing, his doctrines more “unsubstantiated” than those
>>> he attacks, and his approach so saturated with wishful thinking as to
>>> be pathetic.” (C. Putnam, “Race and Reason”, p.23) This entire book
>>> is about (and is, in itself part of) a publicity campaign Putnam
>>> launched, and consists for the most part of letters written to
>>> the then Attorney General of the United States and discusses his
>>> campaign, noting the barrage of newspapers his letter was sent to.
>
>>Whatsamatter, Fester? That confirms EXACTLY what I said. _Race and
>>Reason_ was NOT meant to be an edification of Boas. Mr. Putnam had his
>>own points to make in his book, and to my mind (and the minds of many
>>others), made them quite well. That YOU apparently have a problem with
>>someone drawing attention to Boas’ jewishness is immaterial.
>
> Well, that (and your comment above) confirms exactly what I’ve been
> saying all along.

Like hell. You’re just too damned chicken-shit to admit that you’re
wrong, and that _Race and Reason_ isn’t all about Franz Boas, and you’re
hoping that everyone who’s nominally on your side will be too lazy and/or
cheap to check it out for themselves.

> Carleton Putnam’s “Race and Reason” is a vilification
> of Boasian anthropology based on nothing more than Putnam’s antisemitism
> and paranoia about Jews (and “non-whites”).

No. _Race and Reason_ is, among many other things, a critique of Boas
based on Boas’ shitty work.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Apr 16 09:53:35 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten ([email protected]) plays stupid (and what a
>>convincing act!):

>>> … What exactly do you mean by “natural” (ie, stating that
>>> Christianity and literacy are not natural to negroes)? I understand
>>> the word to mean part of one’s biology (nature), in this sort of context.
>>> No religion is “natural”, and neither is literacy. A particular
>>> religious creed has to be taught to people, it isn’t in their genes.
>
>>You seem to have a problem with words. So far, that’s “backwards” and
>>natural” that you don’t understand. This stupidity of yours makes it
>>really difficult to debate with you.
>
> Does “obtuseness” just come naturally to white power rangers, Herr
> Oberfartenfuhrer?

YOU’RE the one playing word-games, and YOU’RE calling ME obtuse? If that
isn’t the very archetype of brazeness…

> If it ain’t genetic (biological), then it is
> cultural or learned. Or do you define natural in some other way,
> Herr Unterschtinkenfuhrer?

Learned, yeah. In that sense, neither Christianity (as the European man
practiced it) nor literacy were NATURAL to the negro.

Les

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Lissa Valerian ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> However, according to the poor logic of your argument that: “literacy and
> Christianity are NOT NATURAL to negroes, but were both adopted by them
> after the White Race taught them to those ingrates…” You must realize
> that Christianity was originally taught to the gentiles by the Apostles
> of Christ(a jew) who were themselves Jews. The first non-jew was Paul or
> Saul of Tarsus, who was a gentile persecuter of the first jewish
> Christians.

I thought Paul was a yid.

> Or did you forget to read your New Testament? It sounds
> more to me that Christianity was taught to the “White Race” by the jewish
> christians, and such as your “white power anti-semitic” groups are the
> true ingrates.
>
> So, you need to thank your jewish brothers for handing down the roots of
> the christian religion to you, otherwise, you are the ingrate.

Thanks for nothing.

> Read your new testament again, particularly the book of Acts. Or are
> you going by some other book?

That’s for me to know, and you to find out…

Les

From [email protected] Tue Apr 16 09:58:20 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten ([email protected]) writes:

(snip – what amounts to Fester getting all hot n’ bothered over Franz
Boas’ head shape)

>>> Pardon me? Here’s a bit of Putnam’s “critique” of Boas’ anthropology:
>>> “If you have not already read him [Boas[, I invite you to a thorough
>>> and impartial study of Boas. I am confident you will find his views
>>> wholly unconvincing, his doctrines more “unsubstantiated” than those
>>> he attacks, and his approach so saturated with wishful thinking as to
>>> be pathetic.” (C. Putnam, “Race and Reason”, p.23) This entire book
>>> is about (and is, in itself part of) a publicity campaign Putnam
>>> launched, and consists for the most part of letters written to
>>> the then Attorney General of the United States and discusses his
>>> campaign, noting the barrage of newspapers his letter was sent to.
>
>>Whatsamatter, Fester? That confirms EXACTLY what I said. _Race and
>>Reason_ was NOT meant to be an edification of Boas. Mr. Putnam had his
>>own points to make in his book, and to my mind (and the minds of many
>>others), made them quite well. That YOU apparently have a problem with
>>someone drawing attention to Boas’ jewishness is immaterial.
>
> Well, that (and your comment above) confirms exactly what I’ve been
> saying all along.

Like hell. You’re just too damned chicken-shit to admit that you’re
wrong, and that _Race and Reason_ isn’t all about Franz Boas, and you’re
hoping that everyone who’s nominally on your side will be too lazy and/or
cheap to check it out for themselves.

> Carleton Putnam’s “Race and Reason” is a vilification
> of Boasian anthropology based on nothing more than Putnam’s antisemitism
> and paranoia about Jews (and “non-whites”).

No. _Race and Reason_ is, among many other things, a critique of Boas
based on Boas’ shitty work.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Apr 16 09:58:23 PDT 1996
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Brendan J. F. Scallon ([email protected]) writes:
> I am just wondering; how many of you white power people would solve
>
> 1 Black honey + 1 White dude?
>
> If you are so obsessed with protecting white women from the “evil”
> Black man, what is your viewpoint if the woman wears the melanin?
>
> I know some of the CLOCers get pretty horny over this.
>
> One question: how many of the SHARPs miscegenate?

Probably all of them, idiot. SHARP stands for “Skin Heads Against Racial
Pride”.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Apr 16 09:58:24 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Negroes aren’t primitive?
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Just read this editorial by Eric Margolis, in the Ottawa Sunday Sun, page
C3, about the goings-on in Liberia. For brevity’s sake, I’m only posting
the relevant part:

“… He (Master Sgt. Samuel K. Doe), was overthrown in 1990. Doe, an
illiterate and remarkably murderous thug, enjoyed personally shooting or
bayonetting political enemies and cabinet ministers. He was captured by
rebels led by a certain Prince Johnson, who cut Doe up into bite-sized
chunks, and ate him with pepper sauce, thus digesting one of Africa’s more
loathsome tyrants…. ”

THIS is negro politics? Wake up and face reality, you goddamn snivelling
liberal turds.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Apr 16 10:11:04 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten ([email protected]) writes:

(snip – what amounts to Fester getting all hot n’ bothered over Franz
Boas’ head shape)

>>> Pardon me? Here’s a bit of Putnam’s “critique” of Boas’ anthropology:
>>> “If you have not already read him [Boas[, I invite you to a thorough
>>> and impartial study of Boas. I am confident you will find his views
>>> wholly unconvincing, his doctrines more “unsubstantiated” than those
>>> he attacks, and his approach so saturated with wishful thinking as to
>>> be pathetic.” (C. Putnam, “Race and Reason”, p.23) This entire book
>>> is about (and is, in itself part of) a publicity campaign Putnam
>>> launched, and consists for the most part of letters written to
>>> the then Attorney General of the United States and discusses his
>>> campaign, noting the barrage of newspapers his letter was sent to.
>
>>Whatsamatter, Fester? That confirms EXACTLY what I said. _Race and
>>Reason_ was NOT meant to be an edification of Boas. Mr. Putnam had his
>>own points to make in his book, and to my mind (and the minds of many
>>others), made them quite well. That YOU apparently have a problem with
>>someone drawing attention to Boas’ jewishness is immaterial.
>
> Well, that (and your comment above) confirms exactly what I’ve been
> saying all along.

Like hell. You’re just too damned chicken-shit to admit that you’re
wrong, and that _Race and Reason_ isn’t all about Franz Boas, and you’re
hoping that everyone who’s nominally on your side will be too lazy and/or
cheap to check it out for themselves.

> Carleton Putnam’s “Race and Reason” is a vilification
> of Boasian anthropology based on nothing more than Putnam’s antisemitism
> and paranoia about Jews (and “non-whites”).

No. _Race and Reason_ is, among many other things, a critique of Boas
based on Boas’ shitty work.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Apr 16 10:11:05 PDT 1996
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Brendan J. F. Scallon ([email protected]) writes:
> I am just wondering; how many of you white power people would solve
>
> 1 Black honey + 1 White dude?
>
> If you are so obsessed with protecting white women from the “evil”
> Black man, what is your viewpoint if the woman wears the melanin?
>
> I know some of the CLOCers get pretty horny over this.
>
> One question: how many of the SHARPs miscegenate?

Probably all of them, idiot. SHARP stands for “Skin Heads Against Racial
Pride”.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Apr 16 13:17:34 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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The server “@sailor.lib.md.us” allows guest users to send e-mail. Of
course, this ability is abused, as I’ve been mailbombed TWICE in the last
week from this site. Is it unusual for sites to allow their guests to
send e-mail?

Les

From [email protected] Tue Apr 16 18:44:07 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Jeffrey G. Brown ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> Okay, Griswold, you asked for it — and _this_ post I _am_ emailing. Doing
> it your way just hasn’t worked.

Brown, you have one hell of a big ego, did anyone ever tell you that? And
what’s this shit about your “warning” me that you _are_ emailing me your
missive? You email all of them anyway, as if you had some sort of
divine right to do so. Don’t try to weasel out of it

Les

From [email protected] Tue Apr 16 18:45:11 PDT 1996
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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> Rob “Yes, dear, whatever you say dear!” Kowalewski ([email protected]) writes:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
> >
> >>> Steve Garza ([email protected]) writes:
> >
> >> > That is why sex is superior to asexual reproduction. It transmits genes
> >> > across population groups to experiment with new combinations.
> >>
> >> Depends on what you want. A stable genotype is more likely with closer
> >> breeding.
> >
> > HEEEERE WE GO AGAIN!!!
> >
> > Les, if you don’t want people throwing your zany pontifications in your
> > face time after time, DON’T KEEP BRINGING THEM UP time after time.
>
> Eh?
>
> I’m not doing whatever you’re accusing me of, but if anyone’s doing any
> throwing, it’s Garza throwing silly blanket accusations without defining
> his terms. Geneticists such as F.A.E. Crew, Darwin (I know – he’s dead,
> so he’s probably wrong) and others state that free crossing obliterates
> character. Carleton S. Coon stated that careless cross-breeding (hello,
> miscegenation!) kept beneficial mutations from establishing themselves
> within a breeding population, as old genes from the non-mutated neighbours
> keep flooding out the beneficial mutations.
>
> But really, why am I bothering? You liberals aren’t interested in debate.
> You are RELIGIOUSLY attached to your dogma, and you will resort to
> ANYTHING to “prove” the correctness of your perversity.
>
> Les

I think your racist perverseness can be correct at some lowly level. You are a freak
though…!

eB

From [email protected] Tue Apr 16 18:45:13 PDT 1996
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Jeffrey G. Brown ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> Okay, Griswold, you asked for it — and _this_ post I _am_ emailing. Doing
> it your way just hasn’t worked.

Brown, you have one hell of a big ego, did anyone ever tell you that? And
what’s this shit about your “warning” me that you _are_ emailing me your
missive? You email all of them anyway, as if you had some sort of
divine right to do so. Don’t try to weasel out of it

Les

From [email protected] Wed Apr 17 07:38:36 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Laura Finsten ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>>Brown, you have one hell of a big ego, did anyone ever tell you that? And
>>what’s this shit about your “warning” me that you _are_ emailing me your
>>missive? You email all of them anyway, as if you had some sort of
>>divine right to do so. Don’t try to weasel out of it
>
> Herr Unterearwaxenfuhrer, are you clouding the waters of debate with
> ink and clumsily manoeuvering around by *not* addressing the substance
> of Mr. Brown’s post? i.e., why are you not addressing the evidence
> Mr. Brown presented to indicate that you have falsely represented
> statistics?

Because Brown is an asshole who really thinks that he, for some reason,
DESERVES to be addressed. He doesn’t. He can post archived posts from
now ’till Doomsday, and it won’t change anything. It just doesn’t seem to
occur to you types that ONE Black-on-White rape is too many.

Les

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Lissa Valerian ([email protected]) writes:
> On 16 Apr 1996, Les Griswold wrote:
>
>> I thought Paul was a yid.
>
> And if he were? Paul was the one who wrote the majority of the new
> testament books, the Defining Book of the Christian faith.

And I’m supposed to care at which point?

>> > Or did you forget to read your New Testament? It sounds
>> > more to me that Christianity was taught to the “White Race” by the jewish
>> > christians, and such as your “white power anti-semitic” groups are the
>> > true ingrates.
>> >
>> > So, you need to thank your jewish brothers for handing down the roots of
>> > the christian religion to you, otherwise, you are the ingrate.
>>
>> Thanks for nothing.
>
> And you call negros ingrates? What a hypocritical stance!

Ooh, that’s right! I should thank the jews for a dysgenic, oriental,
culture-destroying religion.

>> > Read your new testament again, particularly the book of Acts. Or are
>> > you going by some other book?
>>
>> That’s for me to know, and you to find out…

> Typically vague. Refusing to define the issues, and avoiding a direct
> discussion.

Because there’s nothing to discuss.

Les

From [email protected] Wed Apr 17 07:42:26 PDT 1996
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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> Just read this editorial by Eric Margolis, in the Ottawa Sunday Sun, page
> C3, about the goings-on in Liberia. For brevity’s sake, I’m only posting
> the relevant part:
>
> “… He (Master Sgt. Samuel K. Doe), was overthrown in 1990. Doe, an
> illiterate and remarkably murderous thug, enjoyed personally shooting or
> bayonetting political enemies and cabinet ministers. He was captured by
> rebels led by a certain Prince Johnson, who cut Doe up into bite-sized
> chunks, and ate him with pepper sauce, thus digesting one of Africa’s more
> loathsome tyrants…. ”
>
> THIS is negro politics? Wake up and face reality, you goddamn snivelling
> liberal turds.
>
> Les
>

Yeah, Liberia has some mean motherfuckers around – arguably as sick as people like
Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, and them good ol’ slaveholders…! Terrible thing Les,
there’s sick people amongst all races and cultures. It doesn’t justify your cowardly and
perverted racist demeanor however!

eB

From [email protected] Wed Apr 17 08:34:05 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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lblack ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>lblack ([email protected]) writes:

>>> Whites are not backwards…simply because they AREN’T?
>>
>>By the same definition of “backwards” as applied to negroes, no they aren’t.
>>
>>> I suppose that this is plain to see, and it needs no facts, or
>>> evidence, to back it up. Les, if you make a statement, you
>>> must provide evidence to support it.
>>
>>Only if the statement is, on the face of it, ludicrous or goes against
>>common sense. Saying that Whites aren’t backwards is like saying, “I have
>>a nose on the front of my face.”
>
> But Les, to argue your point, IF I asked for proof that your
> nose was on the front of your face (which I don’t doubt), you
> could surely provide it…regardless of what you thought about
> the request. In fact, I’m sure there are many ways to show
> that your nose is on the front of your face, which anyone could
> provide. So if I question your nose, even if it is your
> “common sense” but not mine, you could prove to me that your
> nose is where everyone knows that it should be. Gravity is
> what keeps us on the face of this planet, that is a FACT. It
> is presently “common sense” (it has not always been so, Newton
> had to prove that it was FACT and it has since become ‘common
> sense’). If, however, you don’t believe me, I can give you some
> proof that gravity does exist.

Should I find myself in a debate with someone who questioned the normal
placement of human noses, or required “proof” of gravity, I would determine
that I was in a debate with either someone who has NO clue, or is being
deliberately pig-headed.

> So, I’ll bring it now to our discussion. I want you to give me some proof
> to show that your “common sense” is FACT. I want documentation, as I
> outlined in a previous post, that blacks are backwards.

I’m not your fucking library. Go look ANYTHING about black Africa up.
For one thing, contributions of the black race to civilzation amout to zero.

(snip)

>>> No, I don’t. They are different from me, on a cultural level,
>>> but absolutely not “less advanced”.
>>
>>More liberal relativism. It doesn’t change the FACT, though, that niggers
>>ARE backwards.
>
> People are different, not backwards, Les.
>
> Ever think that other people look at you and think, “Damn, that
> guy is BACKWARDS!” Your reaction, I’m sure would be “No I’m
> not.” The FACT is that you are different, not backwards in
> comparison to each other, and again you are absolutely not
> “more – or less advanced”.

Quite possibly they do. But does that stop me from achieving?

>>> … Am I doomed to failure in life because members of my race didn’t score
>>> well on an IQ test?
>>
>>Possibly not, you ingrate, but your failure would have been GUARANTEED in
>>a negro “civilization”.
>
> What do you mean Les? How do you know for sure?

I MEAN, you would have been in the same place as “Dr.” G.W. Carver, or any
other achieving “negro” (actually, mulattoes with some degree of White
genes), trying to avoid being eaten by members of a neighbouring tribe.
That would have left very little time for anything positive.

Les

From [email protected] Wed Apr 17 10:31:38 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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lblack ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>lblack ([email protected]) writes:

>>> Whites are not backwards…simply because they AREN’T?
>>
>>By the same definition of “backwards” as applied to negroes, no they aren’t.
>>
>>> I suppose that this is plain to see, and it needs no facts, or
>>> evidence, to back it up. Les, if you make a statement, you
>>> must provide evidence to support it.
>>
>>Only if the statement is, on the face of it, ludicrous or goes against
>>common sense. Saying that Whites aren’t backwards is like saying, “I have
>>a nose on the front of my face.”
>
> But Les, to argue your point, IF I asked for proof that your
> nose was on the front of your face (which I don’t doubt), you
> could surely provide it…regardless of what you thought about
> the request. In fact, I’m sure there are many ways to show
> that your nose is on the front of your face, which anyone could
> provide. So if I question your nose, even if it is your
> “common sense” but not mine, you could prove to me that your
> nose is where everyone knows that it should be. Gravity is
> what keeps us on the face of this planet, that is a FACT. It
> is presently “common sense” (it has not always been so, Newton
> had to prove that it was FACT and it has since become ‘common
> sense’). If, however, you don’t believe me, I can give you some
> proof that gravity does exist.

Should I find myself in a debate with someone who questioned the normal
placement of human noses, or required “proof” of gravity, I would determine
that I was in a debate with either someone who has NO clue, or is being
deliberately pig-headed.

> So, I’ll bring it now to our discussion. I want you to give me some proof
> to show that your “common sense” is FACT. I want documentation, as I
> outlined in a previous post, that blacks are backwards.

I’m not your fucking library. Go look ANYTHING about black Africa up.
For one thing, contributions of the black race to civilzation amout to zero.

(snip)

>>> No, I don’t. They are different from me, on a cultural level,
>>> but absolutely not “less advanced”.
>>
>>More liberal relativism. It doesn’t change the FACT, though, that niggers
>>ARE backwards.
>
> People are different, not backwards, Les.
>
> Ever think that other people look at you and think, “Damn, that
> guy is BACKWARDS!” Your reaction, I’m sure would be “No I’m
> not.” The FACT is that you are different, not backwards in
> comparison to each other, and again you are absolutely not
> “more – or less advanced”.

Quite possibly they do. But does that stop me from achieving?

>>> … Am I doomed to failure in life because members of my race didn’t score
>>> well on an IQ test?
>>
>>Possibly not, you ingrate, but your failure would have been GUARANTEED in
>>a negro “civilization”.
>
> What do you mean Les? How do you know for sure?

I MEAN, you would have been in the same place as “Dr.” G.W. Carver, or any
other achieving “negro” (actually, mulattoes with some degree of White
genes), trying to avoid being eaten by members of a neighbouring tribe.
That would have left very little time for anything positive.

Les

From [email protected] Wed Apr 17 12:16:18 PDT 1996
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Wayne Johnson ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected](Dan Bennett ) wrote:

(snip)

>>” I consider [the constitutional authority of the states] as the chief source
>>of stability to our political system, whereas the consolidation of the states
>>into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home,
>>will be the certain precursor of the ruin which has overwhelmed all those
>>that have preceded it.” — Robert E. Lee
>
> Isn’t slaveholding despotic? Correct me if I’m wrong.
>
> I love it when freedom loving Southrons go on and on about the cruel
> Northerners, diverting them from happily bullwhipping their human
> chattel. It restores my faith in the evil nature of mankind, along
> with our ability to put on moral blinders and strap on the old “I’m
> special” feedbag.

Hoo, boy, here we go again with the “slaves were maltreated and raped” bit.

Look, Johnson, NO-ONE is arguing that slaves had it hunky-dory here, or
that slaves were better off under slavery than they were after it was
repealed. What IS being said is that negroes had it far better off over
here, EVEN AS SLAVES, than they would have had it if they had been left in
Africa.

Les

From [email protected] Wed Apr 17 19:01:21 PDT 1996
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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> Whiny union shit John Baglow ([email protected]) writes:
> > Loser Les Griswold ([email protected]) chunders:
> >
> >>> Just read this editorial by Eric Margolis, in the Ottawa Sunday Sun, page
> >>> C3, about the goings-on in Liberia. For brevity’s sake, I’m only posting
> >>> the relevant part:
> >>>
> >>> “… He (Master Sgt. Samuel K. Doe), was overthrown in 1990. Doe, an
> >>> illiterate and remarkably murderous thug, enjoyed personally shooting or
> >>> bayonetting political enemies and cabinet ministers. He was captured by
> >>> rebels led by a certain Prince Johnson, who cut Doe up into bite-sized
> >>> chunks, and ate him with pepper sauce, thus digesting one of Africa’s more
> >>> loathsome tyrants…. ”
> >>>
> >>> THIS is negro politics? Wake up and face reality, you goddamn snivelling
> >>> liberal turds.
> >>
> >> Hmm, no liberal replies to this. I wonder why?
> >
> > Well, I’m not a “liberal”, Griswald, but let me have a go at this.
>
> Yes, you are, Bagless.
>
> > To characterize this event (assuming your brother under the skin Eric
> > Margolis is even remotely accurate in his description)
>
> Sorry, Eric Margolis is not my “brother under the skin”. Why, I’ve heard
> that he’s jewish, even.
>
> > as typical of
> > “negro [sic] politics” would be like portraying Bosnian conflict
> > civilities (such as forcing one man to bite another man’s testicles off,
> > one of hundreds of well-documented atrocities)
>
> Yeah, well-documented like the “facts” at the Nuremberg “trials”.
>
> > as typical of “white politics.”
>
> They’re not, and you KNOW that negro “politics” are bestial. Stop being
> so damn obtuse.
>
> Les

Ever met any “negro politicians”. I had the fortune to meet Oliver Tambo as a child when
he lived briefly in Sweden during exile for instance. Hardly a “bestial” man. Many
African politicians and leaders are so much more dignified than people like you can ever
hope to be. Many work hard for the betterment of their peoples against all odds. As
usual however, a few rotten apples tend to spoil the whole lot. Just like you!

eB

From [email protected] Thu Apr 18 08:04:26 PDT 1996
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Jeffrey G. Brown ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>>Brown, you have one hell of a big ego, did anyone ever tell you that?
>
> Yes.
>
>>And what’s this shit about your “warning” me that you _are_ emailing me your
>>missive? You email all of them anyway…
>
> Incorrect. See .
>
>>…as if you had some sort of
>>divine right to do so. Don’t try to weasel out of it
>
> There is nothing to “weasel out of”, Griswold. The simple fact is, you are
> no longer getting email copies of all of my responses to your posts, and
> have not been for the past twelve days. You are — once again — making an
> assertion that is inconsistent with the facts.

You are incorrect with the twelve days figure. You stopped this weekend,
probably because you were getting your e-mails bounced back to you. For
whatever reason, it makes no difference to me, nor did your original
odious practice of “email”ing and “post”ing everything. It only confirmed
what an arrogant S.O.B. you are.

> Do I need to remind you what the everyday word for that practice is?

Yes, please do, Brown. You’re happy as Larry because you think that you
have all the archived proof to CYA, and you’re betting on the fact that I
deleted everything from you unread. Well, do whatever your little mind
tells you is right.

Les

From [email protected] Thu Apr 18 08:05:43 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Jeffrey G. Brown ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>>Brown, you have one hell of a big ego, did anyone ever tell you that?
>
> Yes.
>
>>And what’s this shit about your “warning” me that you _are_ emailing me your
>>missive? You email all of them anyway…
>
> Incorrect. See .
>
>>…as if you had some sort of
>>divine right to do so. Don’t try to weasel out of it
>
> There is nothing to “weasel out of”, Griswold. The simple fact is, you are
> no longer getting email copies of all of my responses to your posts, and
> have not been for the past twelve days. You are — once again — making an
> assertion that is inconsistent with the facts.

You are incorrect with the twelve days figure. You stopped this weekend,
probably because you were getting your e-mails bounced back to you. For
whatever reason, it makes no difference to me, nor did your original
odious practice of “email”ing and “post”ing everything. It only confirmed
what an arrogant S.O.B. you are.

> Do I need to remind you what the everyday word for that practice is?

Yes, please do, Brown. You’re happy as Larry because you think that you
have all the archived proof to CYA, and you’re betting on the fact that I
deleted everything from you unread. Well, do whatever your little mind
tells you is right.

Les

From [email protected] Thu Apr 18 22:17:17 PDT 1996
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([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>As for our less mature and/or less responsible members, when they cannot
>>resist the urge to get into the Internet sandbox to play, they should do
>>so as private individuals only, never as spokesmen for the Alliance.
>
>> W.L.P.
> And this is the guy who publishes “White Power” comic books for Celtic
> youth, and condones violence against non-white peoples. You, Dr.
> Pierce (and I use the title loosely) are hiding your ignorance behind
> a facade of controlled and contrived articulation that adds up
> intellectually to zero. You and Strom need to be spanked very hard, or
> better yet, locked up in a West Virginia prison for a year with some
> very Big and Black angry prisoners.

This is what it always comes down to – threats to have us anally raped by
negroes. Even if it occured, which seems to be a liberal wet dream around
here, WHAT would it prove? Not a blessed thing.

Getting butt-fucked may be on YOUR mind a lot, but believe me, White
Racists don’t spend much time thinking about it.

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 19 07:50:53 PDT 1996
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Stewart King ([email protected]) writes:
> Alexandre Kotov ([email protected]) wrote:
> : In article <[email protected]>,
> : Stewart King wrote:
> : >I bet Wole Soyinka could kick Alexander Solshenitsyn’s ass in a fight.
>
> : Wole Soyinka? Never heard of him. My library catalog tells me that he is a
> : Nigerian dude.
>
> Whoosh. For a while after I posted that I was afraid I’d gotten him
> mixed up with the Poles. But I was just thinking of Lech Walesa. Never
> mind.
>
> He’s some sort of politically important novelist. I’ve never actually
> read any of his stuff but he’s kind of famous.

But you won’t let not actually having read any of his stuff stop you from
peaising him to the stars, and using him as an example of negro
achievement, will you?

> : I wonder, what language did he use to write his supposedly
> : cool books. I bet it was English! For his country did not manage to
> : produce a written language of its own.
>
> I really don’t have any idea. And Arabic was there before English.

Yes, it was. But that doesn’t tell us whether or not he wrote his books
in English or not.

> There’s always Swahili!

A pidgin trade language. Hardly what ANYONE would use to write a book.

> I’m taking a modern Africa course next semester, I’ll tell you then.

Please do.

(snip – snip, snip, snip – hi, Stewie!)

> Sure, Europe’s literary tradition is bigger than Africa’s, I’ll not deny
> that. But Africa’s oral history tradition is bigger than Europe’s. It’s
> a matter of culture.

Has it ever occured to you that Africa’s oral history tradition is so
large because they were illiterate? Get a grip, Stewie.

> : >Also, many of the forms of ritual dance among Africans are varied and
> : >complex and considered by those familiar with them to be a form of
> : >artistic expression. They still go on today. You could consider
>
> : Nowadays, a piece of shit in a jar is considered a form of artistic
> : expression. (pardon my English).
>
> Well, I meant real artistic expression.

A piece of shit in a jar is considered REAL artistic expression. Well, a
crucifix in a jar of pee is, as is a bullwhip up the bum.

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 19 07:50:54 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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The Israelis, apparently, bombed a UN refugee station in Lebanon that was
chock full o’ Palestinian refugees. There were nine casualties, eight
children.

I didn’t know Israel had DECLARED WAR on Lebanon. Why else are they
firing weapons into LEBANESE TERRITORY?

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 19 07:50:56 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Jeffrey G. Brown ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>He can post archived posts from now ’till Doomsday, and it won’t change
>>anything.
>
> I certainly do not expect _you_ to change, Griswold. That is not why I
> continue to challenge your assertions.

Re-read what was written, Brownie. I said that your practice won’t change
_anything_, not just me.

>>It just doesn’t seem to occur to you types that ONE Black-on-White rape is
>>too many.
>
> Are there any types of rape to which that statement does not apply?

How typical: in order for my position to have any sort of “legitimacy”
with you creeps, it has to be universal in scope. I thought I had made it
perfectly clear that I was NOT picking up for EVERYONE, but rather that I
was a White Nationalist. I’m not surprised, however, to see what a
butt-head you are.

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 19 07:58:00 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Stewart King ([email protected]) writes:
> Alexandre Kotov ([email protected]) wrote:
> : In article <[email protected]>,
> : Stewart King wrote:
> : >I bet Wole Soyinka could kick Alexander Solshenitsyn’s ass in a fight.
>
> : Wole Soyinka? Never heard of him. My library catalog tells me that he is a
> : Nigerian dude.
>
> Whoosh. For a while after I posted that I was afraid I’d gotten him
> mixed up with the Poles. But I was just thinking of Lech Walesa. Never
> mind.
>
> He’s some sort of politically important novelist. I’ve never actually
> read any of his stuff but he’s kind of famous.

But you won’t let not actually having read any of his stuff stop you from
peaising him to the stars, and using him as an example of negro
achievement, will you?

> : I wonder, what language did he use to write his supposedly
> : cool books. I bet it was English! For his country did not manage to
> : produce a written language of its own.
>
> I really don’t have any idea. And Arabic was there before English.

Yes, it was. But that doesn’t tell us whether or not he wrote his books
in English or not.

> There’s always Swahili!

A pidgin trade language. Hardly what ANYONE would use to write a book.

> I’m taking a modern Africa course next semester, I’ll tell you then.

Please do.

(snip – snip, snip, snip – hi, Stewie!)

> Sure, Europe’s literary tradition is bigger than Africa’s, I’ll not deny
> that. But Africa’s oral history tradition is bigger than Europe’s. It’s
> a matter of culture.

Has it ever occured to you that Africa’s oral history tradition is so
large because they were illiterate? Get a grip, Stewie.

> : >Also, many of the forms of ritual dance among Africans are varied and
> : >complex and considered by those familiar with them to be a form of
> : >artistic expression. They still go on today. You could consider
>
> : Nowadays, a piece of shit in a jar is considered a form of artistic
> : expression. (pardon my English).
>
> Well, I meant real artistic expression.

A piece of shit in a jar is considered REAL artistic expression. Well, a
crucifix in a jar of pee is, as is a bullwhip up the bum.

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 19 07:58:03 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Jeffrey G. Brown ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>He can post archived posts from now ’till Doomsday, and it won’t change
>>anything.
>
> I certainly do not expect _you_ to change, Griswold. That is not why I
> continue to challenge your assertions.

Re-read what was written, Brownie. I said that your practice won’t change
_anything_, not just me.

>>It just doesn’t seem to occur to you types that ONE Black-on-White rape is
>>too many.
>
> Are there any types of rape to which that statement does not apply?

How typical: in order for my position to have any sort of “legitimacy”
with you creeps, it has to be universal in scope. I thought I had made it
perfectly clear that I was NOT picking up for EVERYONE, but rather that I
was a White Nationalist. I’m not surprised, however, to see what a
butt-head you are.

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 19 10:23:26 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Negroes under slavery (was: The Confederate Flag)
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Roger Brown ([email protected]) writes:
> -ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <[email protected]>:
> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
>
> Les Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : Hoo, boy, here we go again with the “slaves were maltreated and raped” bit.
>
> : Look, Johnson, NO-ONE is arguing that slaves had it hunky-dory here, or
> : that slaves were better off under slavery than they were after it was
> : repealed. What IS being said is that negroes had it far better off over
> : here, EVEN AS SLAVES, than they would have had it if they had been left in
> : Africa.
>
> Which is, of course, bullshit.

You are free to believe what you will. You are even free to express it.
Just be aware that expressing “opinions” such as the above make you look
like a retard.

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 19 10:51:30 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Roger Brown ([email protected]) writes:
> -ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <[email protected]>:
> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
>
> Les Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : Hoo, boy, here we go again with the “slaves were maltreated and raped” bit.
>
> : Look, Johnson, NO-ONE is arguing that slaves had it hunky-dory here, or
> : that slaves were better off under slavery than they were after it was
> : repealed. What IS being said is that negroes had it far better off over
> : here, EVEN AS SLAVES, than they would have had it if they had been left in
> : Africa.
>
> Which is, of course, bullshit.

You are free to believe what you will. You are even free to express it.
Just be aware that expressing “opinions” such as the above make you look
like a retard.

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 19 10:53:42 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Pure blood (was: Asian invasion of England!)
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David Boothroyd ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> writes:
>> >From: Mike Dickson
>> >Define ‘pure English blood’ for us, will you?
>>
>> Pure – Adjective
>> 1 Not mixed with any other substance, free from impurities.
>> 2 Free from evil or sin.
>>
>> So ‘pure English blood’ means blood that has been only mixed among
>> the members of the same Race over generations, without mixing with
>> other Races. Blood comes from the body, where would you think?
>
> There is no ‘pure English blood’. English blood is as impure as any other.
> It comes from the Angles, the Saxons, the Celts, the Picts, the Gaels, the
> Norse, the Vikings, the Romans, the Gauls, and, some way back, the native
> Britons.

Typical liberal argument: Angles, Saxons, Celts, Gaels, Norse, Vikings,
Romans, and Gauls are all of the same racial group. To compare a cross
involving these closely-related strains with what occurs when a negro is
mixed with a White is dishonest, at best.

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 19 18:44:24 PDT 1996
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Whiny union shit John Baglow ([email protected]) writes:
> Loser Les Griswold ([email protected]) hangs in there, desperately:

(snip)

>>>>> as typical of
>>>>> “negro [sic] politics” would be like portraying Bosnian conflict
>>>>> civilities (such as forcing one man to bite another man’s testicles off,
>>>>> one of hundreds of well-documented atrocities)
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, well-documented like the “facts” at the Nuremberg “trials”.
>>>
>>> Yeah, just like those. Refute them if you can, Reb Griswald.
>>
>> Okee-dokee, Johnny. I’ll assume that your bag-biting incident is _bona
>> fide_. The difference, dear boy, lies in the FREQUENCY with which these
>> things happen among negroes, as opposed to among Whites.
>
> Give us one more documented occurrence such as the one Margolis describes.
> I have a few more from Bosnia for you in the meantime.

Sure, Scrotum-boy: Haiti. Between 1844 and 1915, only ONE out of
EIGHTEEN Haitian presidents completed his term of office. Fourteen were
ousted by armed uprising, one was blown up, one was poisoned, and one was
hacked to pieces by a mob.

Or try Rwanda. HOW MANY Hutus were Tutsi-rolled?

Or the former Belgian Congo. HOW MANY nuns were raped, killed and
cannibalised by negro rebels?

Or the former Rhodesia. HOW MANY Whites were slaughtered to make way for
Communism?

Or Kenya? Or South Africa?

You know, John, your sort of reality denial is doing more to convince
people that WE’RE right than a thousand well-armed recruiters ever could.
Just keep up your idiocy, and people will SEE for themselves how empty and
vacuous your positions are.

Les

From [email protected] Sat Apr 20 09:01:21 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Whiny union shit John Baglow ([email protected]) equivocates:
> Loser Les Griswold ([email protected]) squirms:

(snip – Johnny trying to draw attention away from the FACTS of negro violence)

>> A couple of questions, John-boy. I mean, I KNOW you’re not biased AGAINST
>> Whites and FOR negroes, right, so it’s only fair to give you an opportunity
>> to explain yourself before I come to the conclusion that you want to draw
>> attention away from negro shortcomings, right?
>>
>> 1) How FREQUENTLY do Whites abuse each other the way negroes abuse each
>> other?
>
> In the past two centuries? Let’s have your citations first, since you made
> the charge that Blacks have behaved with more brutality than whites in
> recent history.

Looks like you need to learn the same lesson that “lblack” needs, namely
that anyone making an outrageous claim, such as your statement implies,
needs to provide evidence. Remarking on the obvious (ie, that negroes
have, and are, more brutal than Whites) is like arguing that the sun rises
in the east. If you’re too stupid to see the obvious, that’s not my
problem.

> You mention one alleged incident of murder and cannibalism committed during
> a civil war.

Funny how the same sort of “alleged incidents” keep occuring every few years.

>> 2) Does the situation in the Balkans, or what happened in Germany as a
>> result of WW II somehow negate what happened in Haiti?
>
> Of course not. I am not trying to prove that whites are somehow *more*
> savage than Blacks. I am offering examples to show that savagery is not
> restricted by race. You are living proof of that.

I never said that savagery is RESTRICTED by race. I quite clearly said
that negroes have a higher FREQUENCY of it. You really should pay
attention to what IS said, Johnny, not what you WISH was said.

Les

From [email protected] Sat Apr 20 09:36:10 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Andrew Mathis ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (M Huber) wrote:

(snip)

>>Your continued Christian bashing is evidence of the need for a real
>>holocaust.

(snip)

> They’ll be another holocaust over YOUR dead bodies.
>
> NEVER AGAIN! AM YISRAEL CHAI!!

There never WAS a so-called “holocaust” in the first place, though,
Mathis. Your emotional appeals don’t impress anyone who looks at the facts.

Les

From [email protected] Sat Apr 20 09:40:56 PDT 1996
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Joe Lockhart ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Brendan J. F. Scallon ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

>>> One question: how many of the SHARPs miscegenate?
>>
>>Probably all of them, idiot. SHARP stands for “Skin Heads Against Racial
>>Pride”.
>>
> Get it right Les, it’s “Shit Heads Against Racial Pride.”

I heard that it’s “Shit Heads After Rectal Pleasure”. 🙂

Les

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Joe Lockhart ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Brendan J. F. Scallon ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

>>> One question: how many of the SHARPs miscegenate?
>>
>>Probably all of them, idiot. SHARP stands for “Skin Heads Against Racial
>>Pride”.
>>
> Get it right Les, it’s “Shit Heads Against Racial Pride.”

I heard that it’s “Shit Heads After Rectal Pleasure”. 🙂

Les

From [email protected] Sun Apr 21 10:41:09 PDT 1996
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evil “Foot-boy” Beavis ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:
>>
>> evil “Foot-boy” Beavis ([email protected]) writes:
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>> > I have more pride in my white, Scandinavian heritage that you racist
>> > lowlives can ever hope to have…
>>
>> Yeah, so much pride that you’re engaged to a spear-chucker…
>
> She used to cheerlead, but never be a javelin thrower! Your attemts at
> insults against people you know nothing of are quite sad. Has she ever
> e-mailed you or bothered you?

No, you take care of the e-mail front quite well enough, to judge by the
amount of dislike your odious practice engenders here. But, like a true
liberal, you don’t allow the opinions of others to modify your behaviour
one bit.

You just don’t understand the enormity of the crime that you’re
perpetrating, do you Stefan? That screaming sound you hear is thousands
of your ancestors protesting your miscegenation.

Les

From [email protected] Mon Apr 22 06:36:06 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Ian McKinney ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:
>
>>It certainly does not, but neither does what happens in Haiti in any way
>>negate the FACT that six million jews, gypsies, political prisoners, and
>>homosexuals were tortured and murdered by the Nazi Machine in WWII Europe.
>
> How about the machete butchery and “necklacing” that occurs in nearly
> every African country during their continuous revolutions? Even if
> you accept the Holohoax stories about gassings, then you must also
> accept that even at worse, gassing is a lot more humane than being
> sliced and diced by a mob of drunken machete waving negroes. And let’s
> not forget the what happens to any woman, especially White ones, that
> they get their hands on. Of course this isn’t any recent trend. The
> Africans have been engaging in brutal and hideous murder for
> centuries. Even if you believe all the worst stories that have ever
> been spread about the Nazis, they were humanitarians by comparison.

This is typical of liberals: when their big mouths get them too dug in to
deny something (happens often), they switch topics, as subtely as they
can, hoping that they can avoid addressing the FACTS presented to them by
a non-liberal by making some sort of appeal to emotion.

Les

From [email protected] Mon Apr 22 06:50:42 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip – about the Israelis firing into UN refugee camps, hoping to snuff a
few Hezbollah terrorists)

> * And yet, knowing this, the Israelis decide to bomb refugee camps anyway?
> * Mighty brave of them.
>
> The Israelis fired back when fired upon. Unfortunately, when women and
> children are considered expendible, the Hezbollah have not had the
> integrity to separate themselves and their battles from innocent
> civilians. Naturally, when we see children who have had limbs blown off or
> who have died, we are horrified. The Hezbollah has continued to fire
> rockets into northern Israel after this atrocity, so, evidently, losing
> their wives, children and neighbors did not make them even pause in their
> activities.

So, the Israelis decided to share Hezbollah’s savagery? Look, Crazy, the
Israelis weren’t using tac nukes. Even McOyVay admits that the Hezbollah
dudes were THREE HUNDRED METRES from the UN refugee camp. To “miss” their
targets by 300 metres, they would have to have had really shitty targetting
systems, or a callous disregard for where their weaponry went after it left
the delivery systems.

(snip)

> Speaking of gutless, perhaps you’d like to tell everyone if — “biological
> sin is NEVER forgiven” — why you didn’t have the nads to plainly condemn
> the racial theorist and his sidekick Marlow after they both admitted that
> they’d had multiple sexual relationships with black women?

Did they have children?

Inter-racial sex is one thing, bad though it is, but inter-racial BREEDING
is far worse.

Les

From [email protected] Mon Apr 22 16:21:35 PDT 1996
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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> evil “Foot-boy” Beavis ([email protected]) writes:
> > Les Griswold wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
> >> You just don’t understand the enormity of the crime that you’re
> >> perpetrating, do you Stefan? That screaming sound you hear is thousands
> >> of your ancestors protesting your miscegenation.
> >
> > Well no one in my family has ever married anyone outside Sweden before
> > except my sister who is married to a Spaniard, but noone has a problem with
> > this anyhow. Including my 80-year+ and quite conservative grandparents. You
> > see, in our family we do not think ourselves better than others based upon
> > skin color etc., and we do not make judgements upon people based upon what
> > race they belong to. I am glad for it no matter what you think. I was once
> > accused of having “liberal” and “lowlife” parents and family, you would see
> > the irony here if you ever met any of them…!
>
> Your parents are probably taking the “it’s just a phase” attitude, and
> they probably strong-armed your grandparents into going along with it.
> That, or your lying through your teeth.
>
> Les

No lies Les. There’s actually Aryan people like my family in existence who do not adhere
to the same racist views you and your “Aryan” buddies do. In fact, it is the norm rather
than the exception at home! As far as just a “phase”, well they’re flying over for the
wedding and my mom is planning on finding herself a winter home in either Southern
California or Miami, two of the places we will most likely relocate to after school.
They, like me, do not regard marriage and planning your lives together as “just a
phase”. Sorry Les if we do not live up to your expectations…

eB

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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> evil “Foot-boy” Beavis ([email protected]) writes:
> > Les Griswold wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
> >> You just don’t understand the enormity of the crime that you’re
> >> perpetrating, do you Stefan? That screaming sound you hear is thousands
> >> of your ancestors protesting your miscegenation.
> >
> > Well no one in my family has ever married anyone outside Sweden before
> > except my sister who is married to a Spaniard, but noone has a problem with
> > this anyhow. Including my 80-year+ and quite conservative grandparents. You
> > see, in our family we do not think ourselves better than others based upon
> > skin color etc., and we do not make judgements upon people based upon what
> > race they belong to. I am glad for it no matter what you think. I was once
> > accused of having “liberal” and “lowlife” parents and family, you would see
> > the irony here if you ever met any of them…!
>
> Your parents are probably taking the “it’s just a phase” attitude, and
> they probably strong-armed your grandparents into going along with it.
> That, or your lying through your teeth.
>
> Les

No lies Les. There’s actually Aryan people like my family in existence who do not adhere
to the same racist views you and your “Aryan” buddies do. In fact, it is the norm rather
than the exception at home! As far as just a “phase”, well they’re flying over for the
wedding and my mom is planning on finding herself a winter home in either Southern
California or Miami, two of the places we will most likely relocate to after school.
They, like me, do not regard marriage and planning your lives together as “just a
phase”. Sorry Les if we do not live up to your expectations…

eB

From [email protected] Tue Apr 23 02:18:28 PDT 1996
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evil “Foot-boy” Beavis ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:

(snip)

>> You just don’t understand the enormity of the crime that you’re
>> perpetrating, do you Stefan? That screaming sound you hear is thousands
>> of your ancestors protesting your miscegenation.
>
> Well no one in my family has ever married anyone outside Sweden before
> except my sister who is married to a Spaniard, but noone has a problem with
> this anyhow. Including my 80-year+ and quite conservative grandparents. You
> see, in our family we do not think ourselves better than others based upon
> skin color etc., and we do not make judgements upon people based upon what
> race they belong to. I am glad for it no matter what you think. I was once
> accused of having “liberal” and “lowlife” parents and family, you would see
> the irony here if you ever met any of them…!

Your parents are probably taking the “it’s just a phase” attitude, and
they probably strong-armed your grandparents into going along with it.
That, or your lying through your teeth.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Apr 23 07:52:02 PDT 1996
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> Well, Les, you are probably quite the expert in disappointing your
> parents, aren’t you? How did they react when you told them that you were
> going to shack up with someone to produce babies for the white race
> without marrying her? Is Sylvie “just a phase” for you too, cockroach-boy?

The phrase, “None of your business, you crazy old bat.” comes to mind…

Les

From [email protected] Tue Apr 23 07:52:03 PDT 1996
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evil “Foot-boy” Beavis ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> I have more pride in my white, Scandinavian heritage that you racist
> lowlives can ever hope to have…

Yeah, so much pride that you’re engaged to a spear-chucker…

Les

From [email protected] Tue Apr 23 07:52:05 PDT 1996
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evil “Foot-boy” Beavis ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:

Moi:
>> >> You just don’t understand the enormity of the crime that you’re
>> >> perpetrating, do you Stefan? That screaming sound you hear is thousands
>> >> of your ancestors protesting your miscegenation.

EB:
>> > Well no one in my family has ever married anyone outside Sweden before
>> > except my sister who is married to a Spaniard, but noone has a problem with
>> > this anyhow. Including my 80-year+ and quite conservative grandparents. You
>> > see, in our family we do not think ourselves better than others based upon
>> > skin color etc., and we do not make judgements upon people based upon what
>> > race they belong to. I am glad for it no matter what you think. I was once
>> > accused of having “liberal” and “lowlife” parents and family, you would see
>> > the irony here if you ever met any of them…!

Moi again:
>> Your parents are probably taking the “it’s just a phase” attitude, and
>> they probably strong-armed your grandparents into going along with it.
>> That, or your lying through your teeth.
>
> No lies Les. There’s actually Aryan people like my family in existence who
> do not adhere to the same racist views you and your “Aryan” buddies do.

Here we see classic liberalism at its best: Beaver thinks that a) only
White people can be racist, and b) that it’s easy to identify White people
when talking about their racism.

> In fact, it is the norm rather than the exception at home!

Sure, Beaver. Conducted some surveys, have you?

> As far as just a “phase”, well they’re flying over for the wedding and my
> mom is planning on finding herself a winter home in either Southern
> California or Miami, two of the places we will most likely relocate to
> after school. They, like me, do not regard marriage and planning your lives
> together as “just a phase”. Sorry Les if we do not live up to your
> expectations…

So your parents are just as degenerate as you, if they approve of your
miscegenation. That’s nothing to be proud of, Stefan.

Les

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evil “Foot-boy” Beavis ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:

Moi:
>> >> You just don’t understand the enormity of the crime that you’re
>> >> perpetrating, do you Stefan? That screaming sound you hear is thousands
>> >> of your ancestors protesting your miscegenation.

EB:
>> > Well no one in my family has ever married anyone outside Sweden before
>> > except my sister who is married to a Spaniard, but noone has a problem with
>> > this anyhow. Including my 80-year+ and quite conservative grandparents. You
>> > see, in our family we do not think ourselves better than others based upon
>> > skin color etc., and we do not make judgements upon people based upon what
>> > race they belong to. I am glad for it no matter what you think. I was once
>> > accused of having “liberal” and “lowlife” parents and family, you would see
>> > the irony here if you ever met any of them…!

Moi again:
>> Your parents are probably taking the “it’s just a phase” attitude, and
>> they probably strong-armed your grandparents into going along with it.
>> That, or your lying through your teeth.
>
> No lies Les. There’s actually Aryan people like my family in existence who
> do not adhere to the same racist views you and your “Aryan” buddies do.

Here we see classic liberalism at its best: Beaver thinks that a) only
White people can be racist, and b) that it’s easy to identify White people
when talking about their racism.

> In fact, it is the norm rather than the exception at home!

Sure, Beaver. Conducted some surveys, have you?

> As far as just a “phase”, well they’re flying over for the wedding and my
> mom is planning on finding herself a winter home in either Southern
> California or Miami, two of the places we will most likely relocate to
> after school. They, like me, do not regard marriage and planning your lives
> together as “just a phase”. Sorry Les if we do not live up to your
> expectations…

So your parents are just as degenerate as you, if they approve of your
miscegenation. That’s nothing to be proud of, Stefan.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Apr 23 09:47:01 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Andrew Mathis ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (james g. street) wrote:
>
>>THIS IS THE MILITA SPEAKING GET OUT OF THIS COUNTRYOUNTRY BEFORE WE START
>>OPERATIONS AGAINST YOU, THIS IS YOUR ONLY WARNING, ALL KIKES GET OUT OF
>>HERE BEFORE WE START OUR FINAL PLAN AGAINST YOU, AND THE NIGGERS STAY
>>AWAY FROM BIG TREES, THE RACE WAR HAS BEGUN

Stop shouting, fer chrissake.

> I’m sooooooooooooo scared.
>
> You guys wouldn’t last a second in my neighborhood.

Problem is, Freshie, it’s NOT your neighbourhood.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Apr 23 09:47:02 PDT 1996
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Andrew Mathis ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (M Huber) wrote:

(snip)

>>For the record, the Lebanese are not war-like people. Abandoned by
>>America, disarmed by Israel, they don’t have the physical wherewithall to
>>cope with Israeli’s enemy Hezbola. In years past, Israel demonstrated her
>>ability to invade a sovereign country, street by street, building by
>>building, room by room to evicerate the terrorists. She did it then; she
>>can do it now.
>
> When? Care to cite dates when Israel was the aggressor and not the
> defender?

Uhm, Deir Yassin, 1948? Then ther’s an unimportant occurence where 35
U.S. sailors were killed aboard the Liberty, which preceded the Six Days’
War.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Apr 23 10:12:13 PDT 1996
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Tim Hill ([email protected]) writes:
> For those of you who’ve never actually seen paranoid ramblings, Norio
> has provided us with an example.
>
> One wonders why these anti-semites find the militia ranks to be such
> fruitful recruiting areas.

One also wonders why ANY mention of jews is labelled as “anti-semitism”,
and not addressed on the merits of the issue.

Les

From [email protected] Tue Apr 23 12:56:11 PDT 1996
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski ([email protected]), being
deliberately dense, writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> * > Hmmmm… Les — are you outfitting those kids of yours with exploding
> * > backpacks in order to jumpstart that race war that you’re having wetdreams
> * > over?
> *
> * Nah, I leave the using of human shields to the BATF and the other federal
> * agencies.
>
> Here you go again — bleating about the U.S. government when you don’t
> live here or have any right to complain about what goes on in in *my
> country*. You have forgotten that most people know that you rely on
> chop-sukey Sylvie and your crotch-sniffing Rotweiler to protect you from
> the Avon Lady. You have also forgotten to mention your wacko buddy David
> “I really like little girls” Koresh, who had a full month to let the women
> and children leave before he decided to incinerate everyone for Jesus.

The U.S. of A. is NOT “your country”, you sick perverted piece of liberal
shit, and in any event, what happens to the WHITE RACE – MY race, in case
you’re too stupid to figure it out – concerns me, whether it takes place
in Ottawa, Washington D.C., or on the other side of the world.

Les

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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> (Ashley) writes:
> > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says…
> >>
> >>[email protected] (Brendan J. F. Scallon) wrote:
> >>
> >>>I am just wondering; how many of you white power people would solve
> >>
> >>>1 Black honey + 1 White dude?
> >>
> >>>If you are so obsessed with protecting white women from the “evil”
> >>>Black man, what is your viewpoint if the woman wears the melanin?
> >>
> >>>I know some of the CLOCers get pretty horny over this.
> >>
> >>In this culture, white males seldom find black women sexually
> >>attractive.
> > I don’t think it happens that often enough for anyone to get mad at. I’ve
> > yet to see a white male with a black female. ONLY in the movies. You just
> > need to look out for the black males with a white female. Black males are
> > few in number, and I notice that alot of black women get pissed off at white
> > women who are dating black men. They shouldn’t get mad at the woman, it’s
> > the man’s fault, also. He’s the one wanting a “White Prize.”
>
> Or, less optimistically, the negro believes that he’s “getting one up on
> Whitey” by taking his woman.
>
> Les

Well, if this guy above has never seen a white man with a black woman in the U.S. his
view and experiences of this country must be quite narrow indeed. Probably been holed up
in Idaho or Iowa his whole life… Anyhow, who cares who dates who? People frustrated
about their own personal relations I guess.

eB

From [email protected] Wed Apr 24 10:10:42 PDT 1996
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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> Jeffrey G. Brown ([email protected]), in love with himself, writes:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
> >>Anyone who believes that there can be any
> >>serious discussion over the fact that negroes are backwards when compared
> >>to the White Race is too stupid to debate with.
> >
> > Ad hominem, and fallacious.
>
> Not really, dummy. It happens to be TRUE. Just like anyone who wants to
> “debate” that 2+2=4.
>
> Les

It is “true” that “Negroes are backwards” because YOU say so?!! HA HA HA HA!!!!

eB

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Jeffrey G. Brown ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>> Ad hominem, and fallacious.
>>
>>Not really, dummy. It happens to be TRUE (ie, that anyone who doubts
>>negro backwardness, or lack of evolution, compared to the White Race, is
>>too stupid to debate with). Just like anyone who wants to “debate” that
>>2+2=4.
>
> The ad hominem argument, whenever and wherever used, is fallacious.

*sigh*

But it’s NOT an ad hominem, Jeffy. You’re being deliberately obtuse, or
are you REALLY so lazy that you can’t use your own two eyes to see around
you? You’d need to be convinced that water is wet.

Les

From [email protected] Wed Apr 24 10:51:10 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: And so it goes… (was: Ignorance Abounds)
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(Jennifer Addison) pontificates:

(snip)

> Do you actually beleive what you say or are you just trying to stir up an
> argument by writing that “negroes are backwards” ? Sounds to me like you
> need to revise you rascist attitude and seek out some education!

Translation: “Black skin good, white skin baaad!”

Les

From [email protected] Wed Apr 24 10:57:52 PDT 1996
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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> Dead Bitch) Reply-To: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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>
> evil “Foot-boy” Beavis ([email protected]) writes:
> > Les Griswold wrote:
>
> Moi:
> >> >> You just don’t understand the enormity of the crime that you’re
> >> >> perpetrating, do you Stefan? That screaming sound you hear is thousands
> >> >> of your ancestors protesting your miscegenation.
>
> EB:
> >> > Well no one in my family has ever married anyone outside Sweden before
> >> > except my sister who is married to a Spaniard, but noone has a problem with
> >> > this anyhow. Including my 80-year+ and quite conservative grandparents. You
> >> > see, in our family we do not think ourselves better than others based upon
> >> > skin color etc., and we do not make judgements upon people based upon what
> >> > race they belong to. I am glad for it no matter what you think. I was once
> >> > accused of having “liberal” and “lowlife” parents and family, you would see
> >> > the irony here if you ever met any of them…!
>
> Moi again:
> >> Your parents are probably taking the “it’s just a phase” attitude, and
> >> they probably strong-armed your grandparents into going along with it.
> >> That, or your lying through your teeth.
> >
> > No lies Les. There’s actually Aryan people like my family in existence who
> > do not adhere to the same racist views you and your “Aryan” buddies do.
>
> Here we see classic liberalism at its best: Beaver thinks that a) only
> White people can be racist, and b) that it’s easy to identify White people
> when talking about their racism.

Where did I say that only whites can be racist? What does this have to do with classical
liberalism – people like Hobbes, Locke etc?!! You do know what classical libelarism
means don’t you??

>
> > In fact, it is the norm rather than the exception at home!
>
> Sure, Beaver. Conducted some surveys, have you?

No, but I just like you can gather the mood of a certain place to at least some degree.

>
> > As far as just a “phase”, well they’re flying over for the wedding and my
> > mom is planning on finding herself a winter home in either Southern
> > California or Miami, two of the places we will most likely relocate to
> > after school. They, like me, do not regard marriage and planning your lives
> > together as “just a phase”. Sorry Les if we do not live up to your
> > expectations…
>
> So your parents are just as degenerate as you, if they approve of your
> miscegenation. That’s nothing to be proud of, Stefan.
>
> Les

Why are they “degenerate”? You know nothing of them. They have raised their children to
become quite successful and productive, they are nice people that don’t hurt others, and
my mother especially has been involved quite a bit in helping out the not so fortunate
in this world through her job. That’s more than some people can say and I happen to be
proud of them no matter what you say…

eB

From [email protected] Wed Apr 24 10:57:55 PDT 1996
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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> evil “Foot-boy” Beavis ([email protected]) writes:
>
> (snip)
>
> Whitewolf:
> >> We are talking about the future of England, as a White country, or not.
> >> I think you have more to worry about with all the chinks arriving on
> >> your doorstep soon.
> >>
> >> Woe to you when your country is swamped, and I bet you will be the
> >> first to complain when there is no jobs left, and your streets are taken
> >> over by gangs of asian drug gangs!
>
> > Jobs are already scare in Great Britain and white youth do a good job at
> > making the streets unsafe. Who are you to tell a Brit what’s best for his
> > country anyways?!!
>
> He’s not telling Brits what’s best for their country, but telling them
> that 2 million orientals flooding their already overcrowded island will NOT
> be good for them. Do you understand the difference, you race-mixing retard?
>
> Les

Problem is Les, he keeps telling us Europeans what’s best for us. Funny since he’s never
been to Europe. Furthermore, his claim that 2 million chinese will “flood” the UK after
1997 is completely ridiculous. You cannot get one economist or immigration expert to
agree with this.

eB

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evil Beavis ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:

(snip)

>> So your parents are just as degenerate as you, if they approve of your
>> miscegenation. That’s nothing to be proud of, Stefan.
>
> Why are they “degenerate”? You know nothing of them. They have raised their
> children to become quite successful and productive, they are nice people
> that don’t hurt others, and my mother especially has been involved quite a
> bit in helping out the not so fortunate in this world through her job.

Whoop-de-fucking-do. How “philanthropic” your parents are matters not one
whit, if they’re allowing their genetic heritage to be squandered by their
son.

> That’s more than some people can say and I happen to be proud of them no
> matter what you say…

Yeah, but YOU’RE a degenerate, too, so what you’re proud of is almost
guaranteed to be shitty.

Les

From [email protected] Wed Apr 24 10:57:58 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: soc.couples.intercultural,alt.politics.white-power
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Jeffrey G. Brown ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>>Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski ([email protected]) writes:
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>> Well, Les, you are probably quite the expert in disappointing your
>>> parents, aren’t you? How did they react when you told them that you were
>>> going to shack up with someone to produce babies for the white race
>>> without marrying her? Is Sylvie “just a phase” for you too, cockroach-boy?
>>
>>The phrase, “None of your business, you crazy old bat.” comes to mind…
>
> Griswold again demonstrates his hypocrisy. He feels free to take evil
> Beavis to task for the horrendous crime of “miscegenation”, and makes
> numerous remarks concerning Beavis’ parent’s supposed reactions to his
> choice of bride.

Not really, you wuss. See, Stefan waded on here telling us about his
choice in bride. There was no snooping involved.

> Yet his own family situation is supposedly “none of [our] business”. Why,
> one wonders, does Griswold believe he can have it both ways? What makes
> Griswold believe he should be himself immune from critiques of his
> lifestyle, while still being free to criticize others?

See above, you priss.

Les

From [email protected] Wed Apr 24 10:58:00 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.british
Subject: Re: Asian invasion of England!
Date: 24 Apr 1996 09:15:17 GMT
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evil “Foot-boy” Beavis ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:

(snip)

>> Whitewolf:
>> >> We are talking about the future of England, as a White country, or not.
>> >> I think you have more to worry about with all the chinks arriving on
>> >> your doorstep soon.
>> >>
>> >> Woe to you when your country is swamped, and I bet you will be the
>> >> first to complain when there is no jobs left, and your streets are taken
>> >> over by gangs of asian drug gangs!
>>
>> > Jobs are already scare in Great Britain and white youth do a good job at
>> > making the streets unsafe. Who are you to tell a Brit what’s best for his
>> > country anyways?!!
>>
>> He’s not telling Brits what’s best for their country, but telling them
>> that 2 million orientals flooding their already overcrowded island will NOT
>> be good for them. Do you understand the difference, you race-mixing retard?
>
> Problem is Les, he keeps telling us Europeans what’s best for us. Funny
> since he’s never been to Europe.

I assume that Whitewolf has never taken a lethal dose of rat poison either.
Would you therefore doubt his knowledge if he told you that wisdom lay in NOT
taking a heaping spoonful of it?

Steffy, it doesn’t take a rocket scientinst to realize that 2 million
egg-rolls aren’t exactly good for a nation. But then, being the egregious
race-traitor that you are, I don’t expect you to see the obvious.

> Furthermore, his claim that 2 million chinese will “flood” the UK after 1997
> is completely ridiculous. You cannot get one economist or immigration expert
> to agree with this.

ROTFL! Yeah, like they’re really going to admit that 2 million chinks
could be a problem, in the face of job-snatching, family-harrassing PC
twerps.

Les

From [email protected] Wed Apr 24 11:08:11 PDT 1996
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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> Dead Bitch) Reply-To: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
> References: <4jcmdd[email protected]> <4ktec3$4[email protected]> <[email protected]> <1996Apr18.181649.15[email protected]> < > Organization: The National Capital FreeNet
>
> evil “Foot-boy” Beavis ([email protected]) writes:
> > Les Griswold wrote:
>
> Moi:
> >> >> You just don’t understand the enormity of the crime that you’re
> >> >> perpetrating, do you Stefan? That screaming sound you hear is thousands
> >> >> of your ancestors protesting your miscegenation.
>
> EB:
> >> > Well no one in my family has ever married anyone outside Sweden before
> >> > except my sister who is married to a Spaniard, but noone has a problem with
> >> > this anyhow. Including my 80-year+ and quite conservative grandparents. You
> >> > see, in our family we do not think ourselves better than others based upon
> >> > skin color etc., and we do not make judgements upon people based upon what
> >> > race they belong to. I am glad for it no matter what you think. I was once
> >> > accused of having “liberal” and “lowlife” parents and family, you would see
> >> > the irony here if you ever met any of them…!
>
> Moi again:
> >> Your parents are probably taking the “it’s just a phase” attitude, and
> >> they probably strong-armed your grandparents into going along with it.
> >> That, or your lying through your teeth.
> >
> > No lies Les. There’s actually Aryan people like my family in existence who
> > do not adhere to the same racist views you and your “Aryan” buddies do.
>
> Here we see classic liberalism at its best: Beaver thinks that a) only
> White people can be racist, and b) that it’s easy to identify White people
> when talking about their racism.

Where did I say that only whites can be racist? What does this have to do with classical
liberalism – people like Hobbes, Locke etc?!! You do know what classical libelarism
means don’t you??

>
> > In fact, it is the norm rather than the exception at home!
>
> Sure, Beaver. Conducted some surveys, have you?

No, but I just like you can gather the mood of a certain place to at least some degree.

>
> > As far as just a “phase”, well they’re flying over for the wedding and my
> > mom is planning on finding herself a winter home in either Southern
> > California or Miami, two of the places we will most likely relocate to
> > after school. They, like me, do not regard marriage and planning your lives
> > together as “just a phase”. Sorry Les if we do not live up to your
> > expectations…
>
> So your parents are just as degenerate as you, if they approve of your
> miscegenation. That’s nothing to be proud of, Stefan.
>
> Les

Why are they “degenerate”? You know nothing of them. They have raised their children to
become quite successful and productive, they are nice people that don’t hurt others, and
my mother especially has been involved quite a bit in helping out the not so fortunate
in this world through her job. That’s more than some people can say and I happen to be
proud of them no matter what you say…

eB

From [email protected] Wed Apr 24 11:08:15 PDT 1996
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evil Beavis ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:

(snip)

>> So your parents are just as degenerate as you, if they approve of your
>> miscegenation. That’s nothing to be proud of, Stefan.
>
> Why are they “degenerate”? You know nothing of them. They have raised their
> children to become quite successful and productive, they are nice people
> that don’t hurt others, and my mother especially has been involved quite a
> bit in helping out the not so fortunate in this world through her job.

Whoop-de-fucking-do. How “philanthropic” your parents are matters not one
whit, if they’re allowing their genetic heritage to be squandered by their
son.

> That’s more than some people can say and I happen to be proud of them no
> matter what you say…

Yeah, but YOU’RE a degenerate, too, so what you’re proud of is almost
guaranteed to be shitty.

Les

From [email protected] Wed Apr 24 14:26:42 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: _National Socialism Primer_
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Mike Curtis ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>> NATIONAL SOCIALISM
>> PRIMER
>
>> Second Edition
>> Updated 01/01/96
>
> [rubbish snip]
>
>>Why do you call yourselves “Aryan?”
>
>> _Aryan_ is derived from the Indo-European root “aryo,” meaning noble.
>> _Arya_ has been used as a self-description of Indo-European Peoples from
>> Ireland to India for millenia, and survives today in the country names
>> _Eire_ (Ireland) and _Iran_. Last century, _Aryan_ was revived from the
>> largely forgotten heritage of our ancestors, and has been used since by
>> both scientists and laypersons as a synonym for White. _Aryan_ was popular-
>> ized by Adolf Hitler in his political autobiography, _Mein Kampf_ [My
>> Struggle].
>>
>> _Aryan_ is the proper designation for the White Peoples of Europe and
>> their descendants across the globe.
>
>
> Well, according to Ingo Hasselbach who used to be like Raven:

Ah, yes, Ingo Hasselbach, a jew who has *NO* reference whatsoever to Aryans.

Les

From [email protected] Thu Apr 25 10:17:23 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Simple English for the simple-minded (was: Asian invasion of England!)
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Carmine Colacino ([email protected]) displays his/her/its ignorance
for all to see:

(snip)

> Yes, we all see you do not know of what you are talking about.
> By the way, sorry for you, ther real “Aryans” are the Iranians, indeed
> Iran means “Land of the Aryans.” Perhaps you should move over there, I
> am sure they would love your refined argumentation. And your deep
> knowledge of biology too.

*sigh*

One more time for all you mouth-breathing liberal assholes…

The area now known as Iran USED to be populated by Aryans. It isn’t anymore.

Got it yet?

Les

From [email protected] Thu Apr 25 10:17:24 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Les Griswold wrote:
>>Steffy, it doesn’t take a rocket scientinst to realize that 2 million
>>egg-rolls aren’t exactly good for a nation.
>
> Egg rolls, chow mein, won ton soup, BBQ pork…I could go on.
>
> Now, just what kind of culinary diversity would the English have if not for
> foreign influences. Steak pie and fish and chips, day in and day out.

Oh, just ducky, we’ll sell out our childrens’ future so that we can have
some foreign food. I’m sure your children will thank you for your
foresight…

>>But then, being the egregious race-traitor that you are, I don’t expect you
>>to see the obvious.
>
> Disregarding race does not make one a “traitor”.

No, but actively speaking out against those who practice racial loyalty does.

>>ROTFL! Yeah, like they’re really going to admit that 2 million chinks
>>could be a problem, in the face of job-snatching, family-harrassing PC
>>twerps.
>
> “Job snatching”–all part of the free-market capitalist system that you “right
> wingers” are supposed to prefer.

Bull. You know diddly-squat about us “right-wingers”.

Les

From [email protected] Thu Apr 25 10:17:31 PDT 1996
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evil “Foot-boy” Beavis ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> You do not agree with the argument that countries like Zimbabwe and South
> Africa has the right to be ruled by, or at least mainly influenced by the
> majority and original population of those countries?

But the “majority” populations of those countries are NOT the ones who
built them. Leaving aside the fact that the Xhosa and Zulus are primitive,
spear-chucking savages, neither group was the “original population” of South
Africa, at least. They came in to the area AFTER the Whites had built it up.

Les

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evil “Foot-boy” Beavis ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> You do not agree with the argument that countries like Zimbabwe and South
> Africa has the right to be ruled by, or at least mainly influenced by the
> majority and original population of those countries?

But the “majority” populations of those countries are NOT the ones who
built them. Leaving aside the fact that the Xhosa and Zulus are primitive,
spear-chucking savages, neither group was the “original population” of South
Africa, at least. They came in to the area AFTER the Whites had built it up.

Les

From [email protected] Thu Apr 25 14:35:22 PDT 1996
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Jason Silverman ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> (E. Zundel) wrote:

(snip)

>> I have a lot of memories like that. Tonight I will look at the stars –
>> something I haven’t done for years. I know the stars are going to be far
>> away, but I will ask my question anyway:
>>
>> “Why did America make common cause with monsters out of hell?”
>
> Because we were shrewd and intelligent military strategists — something
> Hitler wasn’t. We allied ourselves with the Russians because we were
> intelligent enough to know that it was the only way we could win the war.

So winning the war was all that mattered? Never mind that it entailed
allying with a gaggle of jews and Communists — our racial brethren, who
were fighting for their RACE, had to be eliminated.

BTW, Hitler may not have been a great strategist, but his General Staff
was absolutely kick-ass.

Les

From [email protected] Thu Apr 25 14:35:24 PDT 1996
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evil “Foot-boy” Beavis ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> You do not agree with the argument that countries like Zimbabwe and South
> Africa has the right to be ruled by, or at least mainly influenced by the
> majority and original population of those countries?

But the “majority” populations of those countries are NOT the ones who
built them. Leaving aside the fact that the Xhosa and Zulus are primitive,
spear-chucking savages, neither group was the “original population” of South
Africa, at least. They came in to the area AFTER the Whites had built it up.

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 26 07:27:49 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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wlfmn ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>
>>Go ahead, keep fooling yourself. Yeah, we’ll all be SO MUCH BETTER OFF
>>turning our First World into a multi-racial hodge-podge, won’t we?
>>
> Hey Less…
> OPEN YOUR EYES!!! It already is!!! Maybe that’s why this area of the
> world is mainly what you call “first world” (as opposed to third world
> I guess).

It certainly isn’t First World because of the “contributions” of a bunch
of non-Whites.

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 26 07:31:30 PDT 1996
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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> Caesar ([email protected]) writes:
> > In article <[email protected]>
> > [email protected] “Les Griswold” writes:
>
> (snip – Crazy Jeannie snooping in to my personal affairs)
>
> >> The phrase, “None of your business, you crazy old bat.” comes to mind…
> >
> > If who you fuck (e.g. Sylvie (if she exists)) is none of anyone’s
> > business, then why are you so fascinated with eB and his
> > fiance and his parent’s attitutes towards her?
>
> As I explained to that mental midget, JGB, Steffy came coasting in here,
> bragging about his baloon-lipped fiancee. No-one asked him.
>
> Les

Here we go again, now she is “balloon lipped”. I wish we could pay you a visit one day!!

eB

From [email protected] Fri Apr 26 07:39:20 PDT 1996
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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> Caesar ([email protected]) writes:
> > In article <[email protected]>
> > [email protected] “Les Griswold” writes:
>
> (snip – Crazy Jeannie snooping in to my personal affairs)
>
> >> The phrase, “None of your business, you crazy old bat.” comes to mind…
> >
> > If who you fuck (e.g. Sylvie (if she exists)) is none of anyone’s
> > business, then why are you so fascinated with eB and his
> > fiance and his parent’s attitutes towards her?
>
> As I explained to that mental midget, JGB, Steffy came coasting in here,
> bragging about his baloon-lipped fiancee. No-one asked him.
>
> Les

Here we go again, now she is “balloon lipped”. I wish we could pay you a visit one day!!

eB

From [email protected] Fri Apr 26 07:39:23 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Paul Whitehouse ([email protected]), confusing technical incompetence with
machismo, writes:

(snip)

> Yup, and they occur at least as if not more frequently in Romania and
> Yugoslavia.

Bullshit.

> BTW, what do you consider the more “civilized” form of brutality – single
> hand to hand, or the indiscriminate artillery barrage?

This is the same sort of mind-set that praises the “noble savage” for
being so in-tune with his environment, not abusing it with pollutants like
the evil White man. Fact is, Whitehorse, that negroes are INCAPABLE of
developing artillery (or anything beyond a stone axe) on their own. Don’t
confuse their inability to grasp anything beyond Neolitic technology with
higher morals.

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 26 10:48:59 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Fragano Ledgister ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:

(snip)

> : What’s “defective” about an aesthetic sense that doesn’t find Andres
> : Serano’s _Piss Christ_ to be art, or Robert Mapplethorpe’s “book” on faggotry?
>
> Plenty. (For one thing, the absence of a sense of humour.)

Ah. So a crucifix in a jar of piss is supposed to be “funny”? A bullwhip
up the ass is supposed to be humourous? What’s REALLY funny is that these
bozoes get government funding for their degeneracy (the NEA for Serano,
not sure about Mapplethorpe).

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 26 10:49:00 PDT 1996
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Brendan J. F. Scallon ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> BTW: You know what they say, the smaller the female’s butt, the smaller
> the penis (this only pertains to human butts and we all know which hu-
> mans have the biggest butts at normal weight.)

Scallion, that’s SICK! Really, talking about a “female’s” penis size!
How long have you had this fascination with negro TSs?

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 26 10:49:02 PDT 1996
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Cthulhu ([email protected]) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>> You mention one alleged incident of murder and cannibalism committed during
>>> a civil war.
>>
>>Funny how the same sort of “alleged incidents” keep occuring every few years.
>
> I demand a reference.

See below.

>>I never said that savagery is RESTRICTED by race. I quite clearly said
>>that negroes have a higher FREQUENCY of it. You really should pay
>>attention to what IS said, Johnny, not what you WISH was said.
>
> I DEMAND a reference for your point. And no, phony statistics made up by the
> KKK don’t count.

Translation: if I don’t like what’s going to be said, then it’s a KKK source.

But, try Carleton Putnam’s _Race and Reality_, the sequel to _Race and
Reason_.

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 26 11:00:42 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Fragano Ledgister ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:

(snip)

> : What’s “defective” about an aesthetic sense that doesn’t find Andres
> : Serano’s _Piss Christ_ to be art, or Robert Mapplethorpe’s “book” on faggotry?
>
> Plenty. (For one thing, the absence of a sense of humour.)

Ah. So a crucifix in a jar of piss is supposed to be “funny”? A bullwhip
up the ass is supposed to be humourous? What’s REALLY funny is that these
bozoes get government funding for their degeneracy (the NEA for Serano,
not sure about Mapplethorpe).

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 26 11:00:44 PDT 1996
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Brendan J. F. Scallon ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> BTW: You know what they say, the smaller the female’s butt, the smaller
> the penis (this only pertains to human butts and we all know which hu-
> mans have the biggest butts at normal weight.)

Scallion, that’s SICK! Really, talking about a “female’s” penis size!
How long have you had this fascination with negro TSs?

Les

From [email protected] Fri Apr 26 11:00:45 PDT 1996
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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> Guess WHO’S birthday today is?
>
> Les

That “Aryan” failed painter, murderous coward who shot himself guy by any chance??!

eB

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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> Carmine Colacino ([email protected]) displays his/her/its ignorance
> for all to see:

> One more time for all you mouth-breathing liberal assholes…
>
> The area now known as Iran USED to be populated by Aryans. It isn’t anymore.
>
> Got it yet?
>
> Les

Wow, that is true? Who told you?
Apparently, all the Iranians must have been killed since my previous
message. Too bad.
That’s the only way your statement can be true ;|
You know, the real problem is not ignorance, that could be fixed (given
enough time, and, of course not in any and each case), but arrogance.
You qualify for both though, congratulation Les.

Carmine

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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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>From _The Dispossessed Majority_, by Wilmot Robertson, 3rd revised
edition, page 31. ISBN 0-914576-16-X

“One of the oldest of racial old wives’ tales attributes the origin
of the Ashkenazim (Eastern European Jews) to the conversion of the Turkish
tribe of Khazars to Judaism in the eighth century. Arthur Koestler, a
novelist and essayist who in his lifetime has traversed the entire
ideological spectrum from Communist party activist to vitalism, wrote a
whole book on the subject [_The Thirteenth Tribe]. Intrigued by the
legend, A. E. Mourant, who specializes in blood group analysis, tested
thousands of Jews in Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East and came to
the conclusion that a strain of genetic homogeneity does run through
Jewry, but not a Khazar strain. Even in Russia, Mourant found very little
evidence of Khazar additions to the Jewish – or non-Jewish – gene pool.
What Mourant and two associates did find was that Jews as a whole exhibit
an admixture of 5-10 percent Negro genes, which they may have picked up in
their stay in ancient Egypt and through subsequent miscegenation with
North African peoples. Another argument for a common Jewish biology is a
number of specifically Jewish genetic diseases: Tay-Sachs, Niemann-Pick,
and Gaucher’s.”