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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Subject: Is Eric Blace me, too?
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After all, HE posts from FreeNet too! And, and, he’s kept the same
sig.file for God knows how long, obviously in a ploy (by me) to be
“different” from me. Pretty scary stuff, eh? PLUS, he’s an ardent
“anti-Nazi”, which is proof that he’s really me, just pretend opposition,
right?

Les

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From [email protected] Fri Jun 2 23:58:29 PDT 1995
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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(I’ve taken alt.rap and alt.punk out of the NG line because this is
irrelevant to them.)

Min-Sun Kim ([email protected]) writes:
> In article , [email protected] (Les Griswold) writes:
>
>>I’ve been arguing against the simple-minded liberal argument that “Racists
>>hate Blacks ONLY because of their skin colour!” It’s not because they
>>don’t know better (although god knows they’re ignorant enough); rather,
>>it’s because it makes it easier for them to refute us when they can
>>PRETEND that we base ALL of our philosophy on skin colour, and nothing
>>else. Pretty pathetic, when you think about it.

> No, actually it’s your own simple-mindedness that’s pretty pathetic. Jesus,
> you people are almost as bad as the creationists. Why don’t you try taking
> some science classes, college-level, and then back up your arguments with
> proof. I wanted to keep all my science texts for reference but damn, I’m
> willing to sell them to you for the good of society. The fact is, if blacks
> and whites were so different, they would not be able to produce viable
> offspring; which clearly is untrue.

But Min, surely even you realize that just because something CAN be done
is no argument for saying that it SHOULD be done.

> Therefore, if we take into account the
> theory of evolution, in which the assumed prime objective of all life, from
> virus to man, is reproducing and spreading around one’s genes; blacks and
> whites are the same animal. Since it is biologically possible for them to do
> that with each other.

My, what lax criteria you have! In fact, you have only one; namely, that
Whites and Blacks can boink and have kiddies, so they SHOULD.

Real big-league reasoning there, Min! Your liberal buddies will be PROUD
of you!

Les

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-Lycurgus

From [email protected] Fri Jun 2 23:58:31 PDT 1995
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Subject: Eric gets in on it!
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Eric Blace ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> 1. Who are you to tell anyone they are full of shit?

I’m Les Griswold. Pleased to meet you, Eric.

> 2. The Video exist. I have seen it.

Yes, there’s a video of two WP types beating a commie with his own chain.
There is NO such video as the type described by Lizard of George Burdi
kicking Alicia Reckzin in the face repeatedly as his friends stood around.

> 3. The assault is no longer alleged. Burdi was found guilty . He did it.

Just because the legal system declared a certain way, doesn’t mean a thing.

> 4. If anyone is a liar Les, it is you. You lie about everything and
> everyone.

(responding in kind) Yeah, so’s your mother.

Les

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From [email protected] Fri Jun 2 23:58:37 PDT 1995
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Subject: Lizard and his videos!
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([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

>>> 2. The Video exist. I have seen it.
>>
>>Yes, there’s a video of two WP types beating a commie with his own chain.
>>There is NO such video as the type described by Lizard of George Burdi
>>kicking Alicia Reckzin in the face repeatedly as his friends stood around.
>
> How many times do I have to tell you Les? I SAW IT ON NEWSWORLD! I SAW
> THE VIDEO! Fuck you, it’s in the bag….if I had the means I’d get the
> footage, MPeG it and post it as a binary here so you’d shut up with the
> revisionist crap. In fact, I think I’ll use what pull I have at the CBC
> (very little, but hey…) to do just that!

Well, guess I’VE been told!

Strangely, the ONLY footage I’ve seen of that concert was of the two WP
types whipping the commie with his own chain… never saw anything even
remotely similar to what you describe. You’re a liar.

Les

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-Lycurgus

From [email protected] Sat Jun 3 13:43:21 PDT 1995
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: My fan club… (was: Re: Hey ! Black ain’t Beautiful)
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Jeffrey G. Brown ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> Charles R. L. Power took the trouble to look up the actual FBI Uniform
> Crime Report for 1988. The statistics you claimed to have found there
> do not exist. You tried to claim that Power had looked up the
> statistics for the wrong year, based on the date of publication given by
> Power. Someone pointed out the fairly obvious fact that complete
> statistics for 1988 cannot possibly be published until 1989 at the
> earliest. You fell strangely silent on the subject of your mythical
> statistics after that. It was obvious to all that you had indeed been
> caught in a lie.

Or maybe I’m not interested in a “yes it did!/no it didn’t!” fight, like
you obviously are?

That’s what I find particularly funny about people like you: you believe
that YOUR interpretation is the ONLY correct one, and anyone else who
doesn’t agree with you MUST be either a fool or a liar.

> Now you have found someone else spreading the same lie. You have trumpeted
> this fact as though it proves something. All it proves is that others are
> capable of lying as blatantly as you are — hardly something to be proud
> of, I would think.
>
> The historical facts of the Holocaust are well-documented — by physical
> evidence, by eyewitness testimony, and by written documentation. Much of
> the eyewitness testimony was provided by the Nazis themselves. You and
> other ‘scholars’ claim constantly that such testimony was given under
> duress. When challenged to document this, you fall silent. Much of the
> written documentation was created by the Nazis, before the war was over.
> When challenged to substantiate your claims that such documents were
> forged, you and the other ‘scholars’ again are stricken dumb.
>
> In short, your lies are transparently that — lies. Now you trot out
> another liar, spouting the same falsehoods you yourself take such pride
> in. I ask again: how can the same lie, told by two or more people, become
> the truth? It is irrelevant what those you disagree with may or may not
> have said. Your opinions of the facts of the Holocaust, and of those who
> challenge your viewpoints, are similarly irrelevant. How is _your_ lie
> redeemed, simply because someone else repeated it?

Like I said, Jeffy, you should be careful of using that word on a board
that deals with the “holocaust”.

Les

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-Lycurgus

From [email protected] Sat Jun 3 13:54:15 PDT 1995
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Elias Halldor Agustsson ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> Look at the bust of Neferditi.

You mean the real one, or the one that Black women wear on their T-shirts?

> While her features are not the ones that
> people most commonly assign to black africans, she looks far more similar
> to some sub-saharan tribes like the ethiopians or even the watussi, than
> to semitic or european people. Btw, what would you say that Iman (David
> Bowie’s wife) was?

I would say that Iman is Somalian, since that’s what SHE tells everyone
she is.

Les

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From [email protected] Sat Jun 3 14:12:24 PDT 1995
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Min-Sun Kim ([email protected]) writes:
> In article , [email protected] (Les Griswold) writes:
>>
>>Andy Walton ([email protected]) writes:
>>> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>>
>>> I’ve been arguing against the simple-minded liberal argument that “Racists
>>> hate Blacks ONLY because of their skin colour!” It’s not because they
>>> don’t know better (although god knows they’re ignorant enough); rather,
>>> it’s because it makes it easier for them to refute us when they can
>>> PRETEND that we base ALL of our philosophy on skin colour, and nothing
>>> else. Pretty pathetic, when you think about it.
>>>
>>> Okay, Les. Name another factor common to all blacks, which no or few
>>> whites share.
>>
>>Okay,. I’ll name several:
>>
>>Hair texture.
>>Skin texture.
>>Ear wax.
>>Enzymes in the urine.
>>Body odour.
>>(from _Race_, by Dr. John A. Baker)
>>
>>And before you go running like a feeb with the question “How does ear wax
>>make you Aryan?”, please keep in mind that I have exactly answered your
>>question, namely, named several physiological traits that are common to
>>Blacks that are shared by none or few Whites.
>>
>>I could also list some difference in brain structure, but I have the
>>feeling that that would start you on a rant again…

> Oh, you’ve got my interest now hon. Please do tell this neuroscience major the
> difference in brain structures between blacks and whites?

Min, I don’t give a damn HOW many “neuroscience” courses you’ve majored
in. If the basic premise of your ideology is wrong, all the credentials
in the world won’t make them right. Steven J. Gould is not right, even
though he has a quite sizeable following. Ashley Montagu isn’t right,
even though he contributed to the 1950 UNESCO statement on race. So don’t
think you can come in here waving your diplomae, thinking that it will
earn you some sort of authority.

But I digress. I can only remember one off the top of my head, but F.W.
Vint’s 1934 study of Kenyan brains (White and Black Kenyans) found a
consistent different, the Blacks having a consistently thinner
supragranular layer than the Whites.

> Ooooh yeah I have a
> feeling that neuroanatomy class I took (which kicked ass and qualified as a
> medical school course) is gonna come in handy… Please? Do tell me? Perhaps
> it’s one of the six layers of the cortex? The pyramidal cell counts perhaps,
> or the Purkinje cells?

Pyramidal cells.

> Err you do know what I’m talking about don’t you? I’m
> assuming it has to do with the cortices, as they are assumed to pertain to
> higher functions? Am I right???

Yep.

> Can’t be a low level function area is it?

Actually, certain areas of the brain were found to be in the Blacks’
advantage. You’ll forgive me, though, for not having the amazing
term-dropping ability that you do; you see, I’m just a po’ ole igernant
White boy, without all them fancy papers n’ stuff.

Les

BTW, I’ve TOLD you never to call me “hon” in public.

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From [email protected] Sat Jun 3 14:12:26 PDT 1995
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Subject: J.D. Stoner and J.B. Stoner! (was: Re: Colors Of The Wind)
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Jennifer D. Stoner ([email protected]) writes:
> Reuben Logsdon ([email protected]) wrote:
> : [email protected] (Jennifer D. Stoner) wrote:

> : > I’m expecting some really impressive flamework from some people so don’t
> : > dissapoint me.
>
> : I was wondering, are you any relation to J.B. Stoner, leader of the
> : Aryan Nations? Your initials are damn close.
>
> lemme tell ya Reub… I hate being related that fucking mook.. but hey,
> you can pick your friends but not your family…

And I’m sure he’s just bursting with pride.

Les

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From [email protected] Sun Jun 4 14:00:34 PDT 1995
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Subject: Tactics For Racial Survival, part 2
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Andy Walton ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

> “…That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,
> deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed…” –T.
> Jefferson, 1776
>
> Consent of the governed is the only criterion of a government’s
> legitimacy, the only reason a citizenry has to respect its government
> rather than simply live in fear of it. A government built on any other
> basis is not a government at all, but an occupying force.

Geez, Andy, you’re sounding more and more like a milita member with every
passing moment!

But there’s something you should realize: to an admittedly small, but
rapidly growing number, the concept of “occupying forces” is NOT some dry
philosophical debating device.

> > In the inevitable conflict the White race will undoubtedly be
> > purged of its weakest elements and taught through an agonizing
> > tribulation the error of it’s misguided and unhealthy attitudes.
> >
> > Sounds good to me.
>
> ANDY!!! Are you really one of us?
>
> No, Les. I think we have differing definitions of “its weakest elements”
> and “it’s (sic) misguided and unhealthy attitudes.”

I’ll bet we do…

> > It’s entirely possible that 95% (a conservative estimate) of the
> > population rejects an idea because it’s a bad idea. And any society that
> > is 95% corrupt isn’t worth saving anyway, so fuck it. But when your little
> > bands of thugs decide that it’s time to start a war, you’ll learn how
> > quickly the apathetic mass of Americans find their resolve when you take
> > aim at the freedoms on which this nation was founded.
>
> Who’s dreaming now?
>
> That’s a load of crap, Raggedy. 95% of the white population doesn’t give
> two shits in a snowstorm WHO’S on top, just so long as their TVs are on,
> and their fridges are full.
>
> And when a lot of teenage punks playing dress-up in pseudo-German uniforms
> start interfering with their reception, shooting their relatives, and
> blowing up the local McDonald’s, you’ll get their attention.

BWAHAHAHA!!! “Teenage punks…”, indeed! Where do you guys come up with
this shit?

> The vast majority of Americans, of any race, don’t give a flying fuck at a
> rolling donut about anyone’s rights but their own. That’s why using
> minorities as a scapegoat has some potential, and is somewhat ominous. But
> when you reject 95% of the white population as chattel, and assume that
> your little band of Nazis is well-hung and studly enough to rule over a
> world that is 99+% hostile to it and its ideas, you cross over from
> radical politics to unrestrained masturbatory fantasy.

Just can’t avoid those sexual references, can you, Raggedy?

> I’m not worried that Mr. Knight and his self-anointed elite will succeed
> in taking over anything larger than a suburban shopping mall. What worries
> me is random, senseless violence from a bunch of people who think they’re
> doing God’s work–who consider themselves above the law, morality, any
> sort of empathy with other human beings, or basic dental hygeine–and who
> act with a carefully-cultivated megalomania, secure in their righteous
> Aryan invulnerability.

“Basic dental hygiene”. You just HAD to slip that in there, didn’t you?
That’s a really effective way of crippling your own arguments, which
you’ve done with howling success here.

Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Sun Jun 4 14:00:37 PDT 1995
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Subject: Markie-Mark’s ghost towns…
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MStaloff ([email protected]) writes:
> OK, let’s try this one more time.
>
> You said in all of Canada, there are a lot of graveyards. I never
> disagreed. I just said that it’s not as if every town in Canada is a
> ghost town with a huge graveyard

Nor is every town in Europe, turkey.

> (as your town apparently is) – that’s what ALL the Jewish communities are
> like in all those nations of Central Europe, huge Jewish graveyards with no
> current Jewish inhabitants.

Sure, Markie, sure.

(snip)

> Yes, there are dead Jews in Canada. But their descendents are accounted
> for – there are more Jews in Canada than any nation on the Continent save
> France and Russia, and maybe Ukraine (I don’t know how the USSR stats
> break down).

Poor us.

> So, your point is not particularly relevant, nor terribly offensive, so you
> failed on both counts.
>
> Capiche?

Markie, you seem to operating under the misunderstanding that I CARE what
you have to say.

Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Sun Jun 4 14:00:39 PDT 1995
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MStaloff ([email protected]) writes:
> Les wrote:
> I wrote:
>
> >a) What is a temporal ancestor? Did you coin that term?
>
> – I can take credit for coining the term, but not the word “Temporal”.
> “Temporal” refers to time, manure-for-brains. I was hoping to take the
> wind out of your sales (sic) by being as specific as possible; sadly, I
> see that my effort was wasted, as you’re (to put it nicely) dense.
>
> Les, I know what “temporal” means (I’ve seen enough Star Trek) but you
> have yet to define the term “temporal ancestor”. Is that an ancestor
> you’re not related to, like Da Vinci, Voltaire, or Luther? You still
> haven’t cleared that up – “Ancestor dealing with time” doesn’t sound like
> it defines much of anything, Mr. Webster.

… I forgot whom I was dealing with. Yes, temporal ancestor refers to an
ancestor that I can’t claim to be related to.

>> b) Once again, how does that make you a superior individual when you
> haven’t contributed anything?
>
> – Ah, yes, the liberal flag of “superior/inferior.”
>
> Well, Les, you seem to think you’re superior to blacks, Jews, and Indians.
> If you’d like to retract that, by all means, go right ahead, prove me
> wrong. If you’re not disagreeing, quit interrupting.

(snip – Hi, Markie!)

> – Second of all, where have *I* said that my ancestors (temporal or
> otherwise) swiped niggers (sic) from Africa, therefore I’m superior?
>
> Les, find where I claimed that you said that, and we’re even.

b) above. Small unmarked bills, please.

Les

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Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Andy Walton ([email protected]) writes:
> In article , [email protected]
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
> You haven’t been paying attention, Raggedy Andy. Why doesn’t that
> surprise me?
>
> There WERE Aryans in India. They conquered the subcontinent about 3200
> years ago. The indigenous Dravidian population outbred them, as is always
> the case when Aryans conquer a vastly superior (in numbers only) swarm.
> The Dravidians that we see with the flies around their eyes on T.V. are
> NOT Aryans, tool.
>
> Everyone who has accomplished anything of note in 5,000ish years of
> recorded history was Aryan, according to Les. Any pack of starving rabble
> is not. Thus, we get the splendid circular argument that only Aryans are
> capable of accomplishing anything.

Now you’re finally starting to understand, and gee! it DIDN’T take a
crowbar to open up that closed mind of yours, Raggedy.

> So what’s all this nonsense about Jews being wanderers? The Aryans are
> clearly the real globetrotters. They invented civilization in the Middle
> East, hopped over Egypt and built the pyramids, cruised over to India and
> civilized it, rolled on to the Mediterranean and built Athens and Sparta,
> and left there to build the Roman Empire, before settling in their little
> corner of Europe.

Oh, I see. A moron. Well, Raggedy, has it ever occurred to your little
mind that there may have been more than one branch of Aryans? (scary
thought, I know, but hey, there you are.)

> In every case, the current residents of these places bear no relation to
> the Aryan masterminds of their ancient glory. Why the pattern? Aryan
> sterility? Or did they straddle their horses, straighten their hats,
> survey the scene, and say, “Well, I guess my work is done here,” before
> riding off into the sunset to civilize another race of sub-humans?

Because the more intelligent people are, the less preocûcupied they are
with their instincts, including the instinct to do it like lemmings.
While the Aryans were creating civilizations, the non-Whites were breeding
them out of existence.

> I’m eagerly awaiting the explanation of how the Aryans are responsible for
> the pyramids in Mexico, the Great Wall of China, and the bushido code.

Well, Raggedy, the Mexican “civilization” was apparently founded by a
White god who came across the sea. The Japanese Samurai class (and the
whole warrior class) was, I’ve been told, originally White. As for the
Great Wall of China: true enough, non-Whites HAVE done SOME things, but
they’re STILL not White. You (and they) can parade non-White
“achievments” until the cows come home, but it won’t PROVE anything.

Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Sun Jun 4 14:07:31 PDT 1995
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Andy Walton ([email protected]) writes:
> In article , [email protected] (John Cooper) wrote:
>
> Why is it so inconceivable to you mindless liberal idiots that it is only
> colour that separates blacks from whites? I think the everyone would agree
> that all blacks are physically different from whites due to their genetic
> makeup, so why can’t their intelligence be different, again due to genetic
> makeup?
>
> I asked Les this, but he didn’t answer. Not that that surprises me.

Sorry, Raggedy, but I DID answer. Guess you just didn’t notice, with your
nose up in the air like that (why doesn’t that surprise ME?)

> Name one trait that all blacks share, and which no or very few whites
> exhibit. Then, I may see a rational basis for racism. Skin color doesn’t
> count.

I in fact named several. But, just to review for those not paying
attention (this means YOU, Raggedy):

Skin TEXTURE
Body odour
Ear wax
Enzymes carried in the urine

(source: _Race_, by Dr. John A. Baker)

> Blacks consistently, and I mean consistently, score 20-25 points less than
> whites on IQ tests, not only in the U.S., but in Britain and Canada as well!
>
> I don’t know why I’m wasting my time saying this, but…
>
> …and your source is…?
>
> The following is off the top of my head, and all numbers are rough. I’ll
> let someone with a better background in statistics clean up my messes.
>
> Even if the median of Blacks’ intelligence is 15% lower (the number
> floated in The Bell Curve) than the median of Whites–a point that has not
> been even rmotely proven–if the distribution is the same, then 25% of
> Blacks are above the median intelligence for whites.

Yeah, and 75% are BELOW.

> Even if the racists’ postulates are correct, there are many blacks that are
> more intelligent than many whites.

Never denied that. Straw man, Raggedy.

> And yet, those more-intelligent blacks are less worthy than the
> less-intelligent whites. Why? Because people who are like me are, well,
> like me. And, obviously, that’s the only way to be.

No. Because every Black, no matter how intelligent, carries in his genes
the baggage of his race. Since we can’t pick and choose our genes,
there’s a 75% chance AGAINST mulattoes being more intelligent than the
average White. Plus, there’s all the other “achievements” of the Black
race to consider.

> Drop the pseudo-scientific facade. Racism is nothing more than
> self-serving elitism,

All elitism is self-serving. But at least racists are honest about it.

> Being unlike you is not, prima facie, the same as being inferior to you.

Deep, Andy. It’s not prima facie evidence that the alien is EQUAL to you,
either.

Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Sun Jun 4 14:15:30 PDT 1995
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Randall H. Thatcher ([email protected]) writes:
>>
>>> By the way Les, please enlighten me as to what a “blue-gum” is.
>>> Don’t tell me that you’ve invented yet another phony criterion for racial
>>> classification.
>>
>>Nope. First heard the term in April 1993. It refers to a Black who is SO
>>dark that his gums are almost blue.
>
> some jackass i met in the south introduced me to the term a few years ago
> when i was on the road. things haven’t changed much down there, from what
> i can tell. but i’m not a big fan of the south to begin with… accents,
> slow driver, nice people, and they’re not in a rush… the uptight
> northerner is what i like.. not that it makes them bad ppl, i just thrive
> on the stressful lifestyle..

Tit for tat. Southerners, by and large, think northerners, and people
like them, are assholes.

BTW, I heard the term “blue-gum” from a guy in WEST VIRGINIA, hardly the
heart of Dixie. He was originally from California, and referred to
Mexicans as “beaners”, though.

Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Sun Jun 4 14:15:32 PDT 1995
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Anonymous IU Student ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> Les, Les, Les,
>
> Oh ye spewer of ignorance!
>
> The most deadly urban riot was the New York Draft Roits during the Civil
> War when hostile and barbarous groups of caucasoids attacked innocent black
> people and their instituions like churches. Some government facilities were
> attacked too.
> Les, you seem to suffer from historical amnesia. Have you ever heard of the
> Atlanta Race Riots of 1906? East St. Louis? Detroit (43′) The summer of 1919
> was so deadly for blacks that it was termed “Red Summer” by blacks because
> of the death from white barbarism.
> BTW, there has never been a race riot in US history when more white than
> blacks were killed.

Which tells us what, exactly?

> This does not include the numerous drunken white college students that riot
> annually.
>
> So much for your little foolish theory about white civility and their
> “riot-resistant” culture. Your sick racist mind imposes some pretty
> formidible blinders, heh?

But only Whites can be racist, right? The Tutsi/Hutu differences of
opinion have NOTHING to do with race, right?

>> Oh, boo-hoo-hoo. These White riots just took place for no reason, right?
>> Some good ole boys just up and said, “Hey, let’s lynch us some niggers!”
>>
>> The Protection of White Womanhood is a “bugaboo” (and a racist one at
>> that)? Funny. I’ve always believed that if there’s anything worth
>> fighting for, it’s White women. After all, they are the bearers of our
>> future.

Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Mon Jun 5 05:42:54 PDT 1995
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Edward Tsong ([email protected]) writes:
> Les Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:
> : >
> : > Les, how do you feel, knowing that recent examination of the Y chromosome
> : > has provided strong evidence against your “theory” of the human race
> : > evolving at different times in different places?
>
> : I doubt strongly the veracity of such claims, but even if true, it shows
>
> What, exactly, are your doubts based upon?

Observation of:

Haiti
Rwanda
Somalia
Detroit
Washington, D.C. (especially Georgetown)
Anywhere else that non-Whites constitute the majority of the populace, and
influence the means of living (the lifestyle, if you will).

> Have you even seen this
> article in which the Y chromosome evidence was presented, and if not, how
> can you possibly criticize the findings? You can read about it in the
> latest issue of Science magazine. The work came from Walter Gilbert’s
> lab (a Nobel prizewinner…)

Are you SERIOUSLY telling me that Walter Gilbert’s work PROVES that Blacks
and other non-Whites are very similar to Whites? That seems to be the
inference from the statement that the races all crossed the threshhold
into _sapiens_ at the same time, as “proved” by the Y chromosome studies.

As for Dr. Gilbert’s Nobel prize, you obviously think that ANYONE with a
trophy is qualified to expound on anything. Like I said to Min
Whatsername, if your basic ideas are wrong, diplomas and Nobel prizes
aren’t going to make them right.

Les

—
Those whom the gods would destroy, first from their minds they take reason.
-Lycurgus

From [email protected] Mon Jun 5 05:42:57 PDT 1995
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MStaloff ([email protected]) writes:
> OK, Les, we’re getting somewhere. Just answer these questions.
>
> a) What exactly is a “temporal” ancestor? Did you coin that term?

I can take credit for coining the term, but not the word “temporal”.
“Temporal” refers to time, manure-for-brains. I was hoping to take the
wind out of your sales by being as specific as possible; sadly, I see that
my effort was wasted, as you’re (to put it nicely) dense.

> b) Once again, how does that make you a superior individual when you
> haven’t contributed anything?

Ah, yes, the liberal red-flag of “superior/inferior”. First of all, how
do you KNOW I haven’t contributed anything (that’s even assuming I CARE
about “contributing” in a fashion you’d recognize)? Second of all, where
have *I* said that my ancestors (temporal or otherwise) swiped niggers
>from Africa, therefore I’m superior?

Les

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-Lycurgus

From [email protected] Mon Jun 5 05:42:59 PDT 1995
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MStaloff ([email protected]) writes:
> (Les’s take on the suburbs)
>
> Well, Les, you’re talking about one toen.

Hahaha!!! Okay, I’ll expand it to all of Canada – there are a whole hell
of a lot of graveyards (and tombstones) in Canada

> I’m talking about a broad swath
> of Europe, including Germany, Poland, Czech. Republic, Slovakia, Hungary,
> Austria, etc. The population of Canada as a whole is consistent with the
> existence of large graveyards – for every old, abandoned town with large
> graveyards and few inhabitants, there is a town 10-20 kilometers further
> out with a lot of new houses and few graveyards. Minor population shifts
> – it all balances out. However, that part of Europe is a continuous band
> of abandoned huge graveyards, and there aren’t new suburban shtetls 10 km
> down the road. In Ontario, there are a large number of buried Canadians,
> but also a large number of living Canadians – in the countries I
> mentioned, there is a huge number of buried Jews, many of whom died in the
> first third of this century, and very few of their descendents are to be
> found ANYWHERE in the world. Hence, your analogy isn’t valid.

Ha!!! IN Canada, there are a lot of dead jews, too, Markie.

> BTW, will you ever respond to bearcat’s response?

Probably not. Bearcat’s a moron.

Les

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From [email protected] Mon Jun 5 05:43:20 PDT 1995
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Andy Walton ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Rick Knight) wrote:
>
> A Democratic solution will never be found for the
> dilemma facing the White race, Democracy itself
> precludes such a solution. The average man is, and has
> always been, too thoughtless and apathetic to be capable
> of making the difficult decisions and taking the unpleasant
> steps required to create real change.
>
> In other words, not even all whites are full citizens in this guy’s
> weltanschauung. Race is just an excuse for the creation of the ruling
> cabal of which he hopes to be a part.

And this is bad because…? When you start handing out citizenship like
it was candy, ESPECIALLY to people who know neither how to use it, nor are
particularly concerned with all the duties it imposes, you cheapen the
whole institution. Citizenship should be EARNED, not granted willy-nilly
to anything born here, as it is now.

> In this deceptive process the Jew plays a key role. Every
> possible choice a voter can make at the ballot box has
> already been preapproved by the ZOG overlords. No
> candidate will be unaffected by their powerful influence
> and no candidate will ever have the power to oppose them.
> With the Zionist control of the mass media and it’s opinion
> forming influence over the masses, the message of White
> Nationalism will not be heard in an unmolested form.
>
> Many White Nationalists still struggle for Democratic
> solutions which will never come about. They try to vote
> for the most conservative candidates in hopes that through
> some miracle these impostors will stumble upon the issue
> of White racial survival.
>
> The question, then, is obvious. If you can’t motivate enough support to
> win a single election, how do you hope to recruit enough people to lead a
> successful revolution?

I see. Did the American patriots hold recruiting drives for more warm
bodies just before 1776?

(snip)

> In other words, nothing less than complete, worldwide domination, with or
> without the consent of the governed, is acceptible. But they just want to
> be left alone, to live in peace, right?

We already have that, Raggedy Andy (government without consent, that is).
Why the sudden concern with “consent”?

> In the inevitable conflict the White race will undoubtedly be
> purged of its weakest elements and taught through an agonizing
> tribulation the error of it’s misguided and unhealthy attitudes.
>
> Sounds good to me.

ANDY!!! Are you really one of us?

(snip)

> It’s entirely possible that 95% (a conservative estimate) of the
> population rejects an idea because it’s a bad idea. And any society that
> is 95% corrupt isn’t worth saving anyway, so fuck it. But when your little
> bands of thugs decide that it’s time to start a war, you’ll learn how
> quickly the apathetic mass of Americans find their resolve when you take
> aim at the freedoms on which this nation was founded.

Who’s dreaming now?

That’s a load of crap, Raggedy. 95% of the white population doesn’t give
two shits in a snowstorm WHO’S on top, just so long as their TVs are on,
and their fridges are full.

Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Mon Jun 5 15:15:44 PDT 1995
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Andy Walton ([email protected]) writes:
> [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
> My cirteria for citizenship? Intelligence, ambition, ability, civic
> concern, for starters. Most people don’t have all these qualities, at
> least not in sufficient quantity to justify their full participation in
> politics.
>
> All qualitative. Who judges? You?

Yes. But yet again, at least I have the honesty to admit it. Liberals
never do; they keep appealing to some higher power for their morality.
(what a contradiction in terms).

> And here you go with the perjorative terms again. That must be a neat
> little world you live in, Raggedy Andy, where there are ONLY citizens and
> slaves.
>
> Any class of people without a voice in their government, who don’t enjoy
> equal protection under the law, and who are held to be inferior under the
> law are slaves, every bit as much as the citizens of the late, unlamented
> USSR were. You say “second-class citizens,” I say “slaves.” Tomato,
> tomato. Let’s call the whole thing off.

“Voice in their government”? “Equal protection under the law”? Gee,
sounds a lot like what “progressive” governments want to do to White
Racists (and who’s a White Racist? Why, anyone they SAY is! What was
that about subjectivity, Raggedy?)

(snip)

> They had beer. And cockfights, and various other diversions.

Shit, I can’t tell if I have appendicitis, or just a sore gut from
laughing! Sure, the Americans of the 18th century had their faults; if
you’d ever READ any of my other messages, you’d know that I don’t look
blindly at the past and say, “Gee, what great lives they had! Let’s be
just like them!” Unlike you, I have powers of discrimination, and I don’t
believe that newer necessarily means better.

> The Americans
> of the 18th century were largely involved in their own lives, with scant
> concern for affairs of state. A far higher percentage of the population
> was illiterate.

So? They may have been largely illiterate, but they had more courage and
determination than the typical 20th century bookworm.

(snip)

> One way or another, a leader will emerge. They always do, in a
> crisis–people are complacent, but not catatonic.

Groundless assertion and blind faith, Raggedy.

(snip)

> I agree that one shouldn’t reject an idea because it’s old. You shouldn’t
> embrace it for that reason, either. I don’t reject expulsion of jews
> because it was first done in the middle ages. I reject it because it’s a
> bad idea.

In your opinion. I’d say that any people who had a lot of experience with
a situation should be the ones to judge how to resolve it. Europeans in
the Middle Ages had jews; Serbs have Muslims; the postbellum South has
Blacks.

Les
—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

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Observation of:

Les

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-Lycurgus

From [email protected] Mon Jun 5 21:00:25 PDT 1995
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Liberal hypocrisy (*yawn* so what else is new?)
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MStaloff ([email protected]) writes:
> OK, Les, we’re getting somewhere. Just answer these questions.
>
> a) What exactly is a “temporal” ancestor? Did you coin that term?

> b) Once again, how does that make you a superior individual when you
> haven’t contributed anything?

Les

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Those whom the gods would destroy, first from their minds they take reason.
-Lycurgus

From [email protected] Mon Jun 5 21:00:28 PDT 1995
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Les, we’re back.
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MStaloff ([email protected]) writes:
> (Les’s take on the suburbs)
>
> Well, Les, you’re talking about one toen.

Hahaha!!! Okay, I’ll expand it to all of Canada – there are a whole hell
of a lot of graveyards (and tombstones) in Canada

Ha!!! IN Canada, there are a lot of dead jews, too, Markie.

> BTW, will you ever respond to bearcat’s response?

Probably not. Bearcat’s a moron.

Les

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Those whom the gods would destroy, first from their minds they take reason.
-Lycurgus

From [email protected] Mon Jun 5 21:00:48 PDT 1995
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Tactics For Racial Survival
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I see. Did the American patriots hold recruiting drives for more warm
bodies just before 1776?

(snip)

> In other words, nothing less than complete, worldwide domination, with or
> without the consent of the governed, is acceptible. But they just want to
> be left alone, to live in peace, right?

We already have that, Raggedy Andy (government without consent, that is).
Why the sudden concern with “consent”?

ANDY!!! Are you really one of us?

(snip)

Who’s dreaming now?

That’s a load of crap, Raggedy. 95% of the white population doesn’t give
two shits in a snowstorm WHO’S on top, just so long as their TVs are on,
and their fridges are full.

Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Yes. But yet again, at least I have the honesty to admit it. Liberals
never do; they keep appealing to some higher power for their morality.
(what a contradiction in terms).

(snip)

> They had beer. And cockfights, and various other diversions.

> The Americans
> of the 18th century were largely involved in their own lives, with scant
> concern for affairs of state. A far higher percentage of the population
> was illiterate.

So? They may have been largely illiterate, but they had more courage and
determination than the typical 20th century bookworm.

(snip)

> One way or another, a leader will emerge. They always do, in a
> crisis–people are complacent, but not catatonic.

Groundless assertion and blind faith, Raggedy.

(snip)

Les
—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Mon Jun 5 22:30:14 PDT 1995
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: Steve Garza and suicide.
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Andy Walton ([email protected]) writes:
> In article , [email protected]
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
> > It has everything to do with this or any other newsgroup on politics. Oh,
> > your favorite hero Adolf Hitler commited suicide in case you had
> > forgotton.
>
> Wartime propaganda. Hitler died fighting.
>
> Fighting whom? Are you saying that he didn’t die in the bunker, but on the
> front lines? Amazing that no one noticed him.

No, Raggedy Andy, he died fighting the Russians. Remember those lovable,
cuddly communist nice guys? They were swarming all over Berlin in late
April of 1945.

Les

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Those whom the gods would destroy, first from their minds they take reason.
-Lycurgus

From [email protected] Mon Jun 5 22:30:19 PDT 1995
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
Subject: Re: What *incredible* intellect! (was pet nazis)
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Chris Faatz ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> As to your being an anti-semite, I think you’re making a critical error
> in reasoning. I see *no* evidence of Jews driving history, and the heroic
> Aryan trying to struggle for what’s best in world civilization against
> the heinous race mixers and internationalists.

“There are none so blind as them that will not see.”

> I see innuendoes and misquotes and sloppy history, and very little else.
> _Imperium_ proves nothing to me other than that the guy had a command of
> language. _Mein Kampf_ doesn’t even have that. Dr. Pierce, as I’ve said
> before, is a joy to read, but consistently non-factual. Ditto for Revilo
> (god, how I love that guy’s name).

Really? WHERE are Dr. Pierce and Dr. Revilo non-factual?

I suspect that your railing against them for being “non-factual” stems
>from the fact that they *do* see what you refuse to.

> Give me something else other than unsupported assertions. I try and be
> open-minded;

So that any old thing can just fly in there?

> I read everything I can on everything I can.

That sort of attitude equates the funny papers with _Mein Kampf_.

> : Alternatives to national socialism? Chris, you make the mistaken
> : (although common) assumption that I, and others like me, are hopelessly
> : mired in post-WWI Germany. We aren’t, I assure you.
>
> Okay, so what does that tell me? I promise, I’m not trying to “make nice.”
> I’m up front about my politics; what are yours.

Are you SERIOUS?!? Have you been sleeping since you came here?

> Can you be explicit? Can you be concise? Can you be civil about it? I
> suspect you can. I invite you to do so.

So I’m not a card-carrying member of any mainstream political party. So
what’s that prove?

(snip)

> Hey, I’ve said before, much left-wing stuff stinks. I’m a huge fan of folks
> like Chodorov, Nock, and Russell Kirk. Because they had *principles* that
> they could *support.* My worldview isn’t a simple marxism-leninism, although
> at one point it may have been (many years ago, my friend). It’s much more
> complicated than that. And, my *sources* aren’t all left-wing either. Do
> you read “Chronicles”? “Human Events”? “Reason,” “Liberty,” and other such
> stuff? I do.
>
> OTOH, do you read “Monthly Review”? “The Progressive”? “Covert Action
> Quarterly”? “Fellowship”? “The Nonviolent Activist”? I do those as well.

So I don’t have a big reading list like you do, nor can I (nor will I)
drop names as readily as you. So? There’s more to life than reading,
and there’s more to reading than getting ink on your fingers.

Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Mon Jun 5 22:31:12 PDT 1995
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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Yes. But yet again, at least I have the honesty to admit it. Liberals
never do; they keep appealing to some higher power for their morality.
(what a contradiction in terms).

(snip)

> They had beer. And cockfights, and various other diversions.

> The Americans
> of the 18th century were largely involved in their own lives, with scant
> concern for affairs of state. A far higher percentage of the population
> was illiterate.

So? They may have been largely illiterate, but they had more courage and
determination than the typical 20th century bookworm.

(snip)

> One way or another, a leader will emerge. They always do, in a
> crisis–people are complacent, but not catatonic.

Groundless assertion and blind faith, Raggedy.

(snip)

Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Mon Jun 5 22:31:20 PDT 1995
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From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
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John Cooper ([email protected]) writes:
>>: Justin Wood wrote:
>
>>: >: Blacks consistently, and I mean consistently, score 20-25 points less than
>>: >: whites on IQ tests, not only in the U.S., but in Britain and Canada as
>>: >: well!
>
>>I always find it EXCEEDINGLY ironic that the retards are the ones who
>>constantly harp on this point. Never seen ONE person with a truly open
>>and inquiring mind who had the LEAST interest in such drivel!
>
> If whites are retards, then blacks must truly be morons! The IQ arguement is
> continually brought up because it is true! Again, I will say the proof is in
> the pudding – compare black nations with white nations- where would you rather
> live?

No question about it. Liberals really hate and are embarrassed by, the
lack of Black achievements in the real world. This in large part explains
their appropriation of all White cultural achievements as actually having
depended upon Black innovations.

Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Mon Jun 5 22:31:22 PDT 1995
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Wednesday/jones ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

> you mean like the method for separating whole blood into plasma so that
> it can be stored indefinitely? that advancement was contributed by dr.
> charles drew just before the beginning of the second world war. he was
> black. you know what white ingenuity contributed to drew’s work? the
> state department decided that contributions of blood for wounded
> servicemen would NOT be accepted from black donors even though the
> inventor (and several white doctors) had mountains of proof showing
> that the blood was no different.

You ever seen Dr. Drew, or pictures of him? He’s about as Black as the driven
snow.

Please, stick with the claims that ancient Egyptians were really Black.
It’s funnier.

> so thousands of gallons of potentially life saving plasma was not accepted.
> how many nice white boys died for lack of this stored blood?

Probably not too many.

I read in _Paved With Good Intentions_ about how Blacks are organ donors
much less often than Whites because (get this) they’re afraid of their
donated organs going to Whites. Whites, by and large, don’t have such
concerns. I also read in that book that interracial organ transplants
have a higher rate of rejection.

Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Tue Jun 6 05:43:07 PDT 1995
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Chris Faatz ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

“There are none so blind as them that will not see.”

Really? WHERE are Dr. Pierce and Dr. Revilo non-factual?

I suspect that your railing against them for being “non-factual” stems
>from the fact that they *do* see what you refuse to.

> Give me something else other than unsupported assertions. I try and be
> open-minded;

So that any old thing can just fly in there?

> I read everything I can on everything I can.

That sort of attitude equates the funny papers with _Mein Kampf_.

Are you SERIOUS?!? Have you been sleeping since you came here?

> Can you be explicit? Can you be concise? Can you be civil about it? I
> suspect you can. I invite you to do so.

So I’m not a card-carrying member of any mainstream political party. So
what’s that prove?

(snip)

Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Tue Jun 6 05:43:58 PDT 1995
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Yes. But yet again, at least I have the honesty to admit it. Liberals
never do; they keep appealing to some higher power for their morality.
(what a contradiction in terms).

(snip)

> They had beer. And cockfights, and various other diversions.

> The Americans
> of the 18th century were largely involved in their own lives, with scant
> concern for affairs of state. A far higher percentage of the population
> was illiterate.

So? They may have been largely illiterate, but they had more courage and
determination than the typical 20th century bookworm.

(snip)

> One way or another, a leader will emerge. They always do, in a
> crisis–people are complacent, but not catatonic.

Groundless assertion and blind faith, Raggedy.

(snip)

Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

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Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Tue Jun 6 05:44:09 PDT 1995
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Wednesday/jones ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

You ever seen Dr. Drew, or pictures of him? He’s about as Black as the driven
snow.

Please, stick with the claims that ancient Egyptians were really Black.
It’s funnier.

> so thousands of gallons of potentially life saving plasma was not accepted.
> how many nice white boys died for lack of this stored blood?

Probably not too many.

Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Tue Jun 6 15:03:59 PDT 1995
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That’s Latin for “Bullshit baffles brains”. Applies particularly well to
the screechy liberal rantings about equality. Ever notice how they try to
confuse anyone else with big words? That’s the excrement referred to above.

Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

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Min-Sun Kim ([email protected]) writes:
> In article , [email protected] (Les Griswold) writes:
>>
>>Min-Sun Kim ([email protected]) writes:
>>> In article , [email protected] (Les Griswold) writes:
>>>
>>>>I’ve been arguing against the simple-minded liberal argument that “Racists
>>>>hate Blacks ONLY because of their skin colour!” It’s not because they
>>>>don’t know better (although god knows they’re ignorant enough); rather,
>>>>it’s because it makes it easier for them to refute us when they can
>>>>PRETEND that we base ALL of our philosophy on skin colour, and nothing
>>>>else. Pretty pathetic, when you think about it.
>>
>>> No, actually it’s your own simple-mindedness that’s pretty pathetic. Jesus,
>>> you people are almost as bad as the creationists. Why don’t you try taking
>>> some science classes, college-level, and then back up your arguments with
>>> proof. I wanted to keep all my science texts for reference but damn, I’m
>>> willing to sell them to you for the good of society. The fact is, if blacks
>>> and whites were so different, they would not be able to produce viable
>>> offspring; which clearly is untrue.
>>
>>But Min, surely even you realize that just because something CAN be done
>>is no argument for saying that it SHOULD be done.
>>
>>> Therefore, if we take into account the
>>> theory of evolution, in which the assumed prime objective of all life, from
>>> virus to man, is reproducing and spreading around one’s genes; blacks and
>>> whites are the same animal. Since it is biologically possible for them to do
>>> that with each other.
>>
>>My, what lax criteria you have! In fact, you have only one; namely, that
>>Whites and Blacks can boink and have kiddies, so they SHOULD.
>>
>>Real big-league reasoning there, Min! Your liberal buddies will be PROUD
>>of you!

> Read my post again; nowhere do i prescribe interracial mating. Just because
> your thoughts are propogandistic does not mean everyone else’s is. I merely
> argue against your simple-minded “blacks are like monkeys and whites aren’t”
> arguments.

I resent that. Nowhere do *I* compare Blacks to monkeys. If you’re going
to argue against *me*, argue against *me*. Don’t put the words and claims
of others in my mouth (although I can clearly see where the “Blacks are
like monkeys” argument gets its impetus…).

> The fact is, we’re all like monkeys, sorry to tell you; actually,
> humans are closer to chimpanzees (if I’m not mistaken). And as unhappy as it
> may make you, blacks and whites are the same animal in the eyes of mother
> nature. Sowwy… and err, those criteria are not very lax, they are extremely
> specific and difficult to maintain, as you would know if you knew anything
> about the biological sciences eh? I’m still offering my text… I have some
> basic chem and organic chem, have some specialty ones on neurons (yep just on
> how ONE neuron works) and some molecular and cellular bio texts… want em?
> I don’t have an agenda, err except accuracy. And you’re not scoring very high
> on my accuracy scale… tsk tsk.

Oh, my. I’m not accurate according to Min. Oh, geez.

Well, Min, you can keep on dropping big terms and all, but my original
point still stands: all the diplomas and books in the world won’t make an
obviously wrong propostion (that Blacks are pretty similar to Whites) into
a right one.

Les

—
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The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

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Bo ([email protected]) writes:
>> >: Justin Wood wrote:
>>
>> >: >: Blacks consistently, and I mean consistently, score 20-25 points less than
>> >: >: whites on IQ tests, not only in the U.S., but in Britain and Canada as
>> >: >: well!
>>
>> >I always find it EXCEEDINGLY ironic that the retards are the ones who
>> >constantly harp on this point. Never seen ONE person with a truly open
>> >and inquiring mind who had the LEAST interest in such drivel!
>>
>> If whites are retards, then blacks must truly be morons! The IQ arguement is
>> continually brought up because it is true! Again, I will say the proof is in
>> the pudding – compare black nations with white nations- where would you rather
>> live?

> compare them let’s say during the middle ages… where would you’ve lived?
>
> it’s all time… I won’t be surprised if Asians become major global
> powers later in history…then where would you live??

That’s easy. A frigging hell-hole. Just look at any Asian country

Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
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– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Tue Jun 6 15:04:12 PDT 1995
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Michael Moreno ([email protected]) writes:
> In article , [email protected] (Les Griswold) says:

>>Bill Anderson ([email protected]) writes:
>>> From: [email protected] (Les Griswold)
>>
>>But, Billbo, I ADMIT that my ancestors (temporal, if not actual) brought
>>Blacks over to North America as slaves. I also admit that it was a BIG
>>error to do so, although I don’t hold their lack of foresight against
>>them.
>>
>>Further, I disbelieve the liberal claims that everything the White race
>>was involved in was evil (ie, Blacks brought over here as slaves were
>>infinitely better off than they would have been back in Africa).
>
> Les,
> I think that the point that was trying to be made was not put out
> accurately. Obviously, no group of people has been absolutely good
> or absolutely evil. I think that the point being made, however, was
> that it is now good to stand up and say, “Yes, I am a black man and
> I am proud of it. Look at the marvelous things that we have done.”

It goes deeper than that. The current craze to “doscover” Black
achievements occurs at the expense of the White race. “Columbus didn’t
discover America: Blacks from West Africa were crossing the Atlantic
thousands of years before Columbus!” (funny how Columbus brought woe and
misery to the Americas, but these prehistorical sea-going Blacks didn’t…)

> However, it is not acceptable to say, “I am a white man and I am proud
> of it. Look at the marvelous things that we have done.”

You’ve got THAT right. Saying (or even thinking) something like that
makes you a “Natsee”. And gee, we’re constantly told that “Natsees” are a
fringe element of whackos…

> My opinion is that both are not acceptable. Why must one be glorified
> at the exclusion of the other?

Your opinion on this is wrong. The White race DOES have a lot to be proud
of. WHAT does the Black race have to be proud of?

Les

—
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The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Tue Jun 6 15:04:15 PDT 1995
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Smutty ([email protected]) writes:
> On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Bo wrote:
>
>> >
>> > If whites are retards, then blacks must truly be morons! The IQ arguement is
>> > continually brought up because it is true! Again, I will say the proof is in
>> > the pudding – compare black nations with white nations- where would you rather
>> > live?
>
> What does that have to do with intelligence? Black nations are poor,
> underdeveloped and shitty because they’ve been raped by greedy white
> nations. They may appear to be technologically advanced, but this does
> not suggest lack of intelligence. Look at things such as culture – or
> the way such nations adapt and use thier environment.

Indeed. Where, in the White world, are farmers turning hundreds of
millions of acres per year into sandy sesert because of their sloppy
farming techniques?

> The IQ argument ignores such things such as culture specification. These
> immortal IQ test were and still are culture specific.

Even given that this crybaby liberal-copout is true, what does it mean?
Liberals imagine that we should all conform to some fuzzy, ill-defined
universal norm, rather than value our own cultures.

> Therefore, how can
> one group or race score highly on something which isn’t specific to their
> culture.

Smutty, do we really CARE how well some Gold Coast Black straight from the
jungles can chuck a spear? No, we care about how well he can fit into OUR
culture. All the evidence indicates that he fits in very poorly indeed.

> If blacks were to write some IQ tests and test whites on them, I’m sure they
> “law” would reverse itself.

Been done. And it proves what, exactly? That Whites can’t understand
ghetto slang and drug talk. So?

> The same tests were done on males and females and females and females
> scored less every time. Areyo trying to say that females are less
> intelligent than males as well?

Using White females to protect Blacks is pretty cowardly, Smutty.

>> compare them let’s say during the middle ages… where would you’ve lived?
>
> Black nations had an equally rich culture and civilsation during the
> Midlle Ages, but guess who took it from them??

According to you, a bunch of semi-literate European savages. Hmm, guess
these “rich (Black) culture(s) and civilization(s)” weren’t so strong
after all…

Les

(P.S.: I agree with the rappers; let’s move the discussion to
alt.politics.white-power and alt.politics.correct)

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Tue Jun 6 22:22:54 PDT 1995
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Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
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– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Tue Jun 6 22:23:02 PDT 1995
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Michael Moreno ([email protected]) writes:
> In article , [email protected] (Les Griswold) says:

> However, it is not acceptable to say, “I am a white man and I am proud
> of it. Look at the marvelous things that we have done.”

You’ve got THAT right. Saying (or even thinking) something like that
makes you a “Natsee”. And gee, we’re constantly told that “Natsees” are a
fringe element of whackos…

> My opinion is that both are not acceptable. Why must one be glorified
> at the exclusion of the other?

Your opinion on this is wrong. The White race DOES have a lot to be proud
of. WHAT does the Black race have to be proud of?

Les

—
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
– Shakespeare, _Julius Caesar_

From [email protected] Tue Jun 6 22:56:11 PDT 1995
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Les

—
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From [email protected] Tue Jun 6 22:56:13 PDT 1995
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Wednesday/jones ([email protected]) writes:

(snip)

You ever seen Dr. Drew, or pictures of him? He’s about as Black as the driven
snow.

Please, stick with the claims that ancient Egyptians were really Black.
It’s funnier.

> so thousands of gallons of potentially life saving plasma was not accepted.
> how many nice white boys died for lack of this stored blood?

Probably not too many.

Les

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Oh, my. I’m not accurate according to Min. Oh, geez.

Les

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That’s easy. A frigging hell-hole. Just look at any Asian country

Les

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