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Gord McFee wrote:
>
> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] said:
>
> >
> >Yeah, Les, interesting word anti-semite. Jews will lump themselves
> >together with Arabs gladly when it is a question of discrimination against
> >them. I don’t use the word for that very reason. When I want to say that
> >I’m anti-Jew, I mean anti-Jew, not anti Arabs and Jews.
>
> Boy, that’s comforting. Just a good ol’ boy, right George?
>
> >But now that any organized threat against them is gone, and now that they
> >are pretty much in control, the Jewish doctors are telling goyishe parents
> >NOT to circumcise their male babies. Now, only Jew boys will be
> >circumcised and they can wear it as a badge proudly once more.
>
> You are beyond help.
>
> —
> Gord McFee

Well, if you mean by that last statement that I am beyond the help of the
likes of you, I’ll have to heartily agree. But then, who would want the
help of a bunch of race-traitors and Jew-dupes?

George Graves

From [email protected] Mon Jan 1 09:05:25 PST 1996
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From: George Graves <[email protected]>
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> In article <30E55EC[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Ever notice how Jews like to hide when the going gets tough and then,
> > when times are good for ’em they want to stand proud of the rabble?
> > I’ll give you an example. All during the thirties, when Germany
> > threatened to spread Nazi-ism all over Europe and America, Jewish
> > doctors started pushing circumcision for all males. If you were born
> > in a hospital in the U.S.A. after about 1934, you were circumcised.
> > Throughout the 40’s, 50’s, 60’s 70’s and 80’s when a bunch of guys
> > were showering in the locker room, or in the barracks, you couldn’t
> > tell the Jew-boy from the goy-boy – they were hiding.
> > But now that any organized threat against them is gone, and now
> > that they are pretty much in control, the Jewish doctors are telling
> > goyishe parents NOT to circumcise their male babies. Now, only Jew
> > boys will be circumcised and they can wear it as a badge proudly once
> > more.
>
> I challenged Graves to provide his evidence for his assertion that “Jewish
> doctors started pushing circumcision for all males”. His reply, sent via
> email, was:
>
> > When I was a student, if you saw a guy who was uncircumcised, it was
> > because he was born at home, and he was the exception. Don’t need any
> > proof, that was the way it was!
>
> I believe this speaks for itself, so far as the reliability of Graves’
> claims are concerned. “Don’t need any proof, that was the way it was!” is
> simply a variant of “It’s true because I say so”.
>
> JGB

You are an idiot, and a dishonest one at that. I knew that you were going
to do this, I just wanted to watch and see which of my E-mail statements
you would take out of context so that you could prove your nefarious point.
You have no honor, you have no personal integrity, and you are in fact,
exactly what I thought you were: a stupid jew-brainwashed bigot who
would do or say anything to hold on to your little fairyland of
hyperequality, and most of all win points against the evil racists you
encounter here.
You know Brown, I come here because I enjoy a good debate. There are
some people on this NG who provide it. You are not one of them. Your
posts are wearisome, and as the buzzing of flys in my ears.

George Graves

From [email protected] Mon Jan 1 09:17:23 PST 1996
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From: George Graves <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Dead Jews and Power
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
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> In article <30E5C87[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > I just found out something about diamonds of which I was unaware. They
> > aren’t really either very rare or very valuable. Rubbies are 50 times
> > rarer than diamonds and blue sapphires are a thousand times rarer! Lapis
> > Lazuli might be the rarest of all being found only in Chile and Afghanistan.
> > The reason why diamonds are the most expensive gemstones is because the
> > diamond industry (headed by the aforementioned Oppenheimer family) has a
> > virtual monopoly on the world’s supply, and keeps them off the market to
> > keep prices artificially high. I understand that DeBeers has warehouses
> > filled with enough diamonds to last the world a thousand years, even if
> > not another diamond were ever taken from the earth. This is ONE Jewish
> > conspiracy that they don’t even try to hide. Its very well known, its just
> > that no one can do anything about it except play (and pay) along.
>
> I will not bother asking Graves for evidence of his assertions, as he has
> made it quite clear that he has no interest in providing any. I will
> simply note that we have here yet another example of the unsupported
> claims made and believed by bigots like Graves to justify their hatred of
> Jews.
>
> JGB
>
This is common knowledge, asshole. I did not know that diamonds were
really so plentiful, I just found that out (in a new Clive Cussler novel
as a matter of fact). I also did not understand the differences in rarity
of the other mentioned stones. But the part about DeBeers having a
virtual monoploly on the diamond industry is certainly no secret, in
fact, the Encyclopedia Britannica explains it very well. The fact that
DeBeers controls supply and therefore prices is also well documented
there. This is why DeBeers is refered to as THE DIAMOND CARTEL, you
pedantic fool. And EVERYBODY (except possibly yourself) knows that
the Oppenheimer family has controlled DeBeers ever since they bought
it from Cecil Rhodes late in the last century. BTW, Shit-for-brains,
DeBeers gets its name from the Boer farmer who sold his farm to
Rhodes, and upon which, Rhodes started his first African diamond
mine. Opppenheimer kept the name DeBeers so that he could stay
in the background outta sight and pull strings. This is what JOOs
Like to do. (and this is an opinion, not an assertion – Jerk)
You know, if I spent the time to document everything I said on this
NG like this, You’d get a pretty good education, Brown. Something
that you seem to lack, because you don’t seem to know anything.
Now that I have supplied my “sources”, what the fuck are you going
to do with them? I’ll tell you what your going to do, NOTHING. You
won’t go to the Britannica and check up on me, neither will you
go find a copy of the novel I mentioned. Because you are just an idiot
who thinks that asking for references is clever. It isn’t

George Graves

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From: George Graves <[email protected]>
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Well, if you mean by that last statement that I am beyond the help of the
likes of you, I’ll have to heartily agree. But then, who would want the
help of a bunch of race-traitors and Jew-dupes?

George Graves

From [email protected] Mon Jan 1 09:17:25 PST 1996
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From: George Graves <[email protected]>
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George Graves

From [email protected] Mon Jan 1 09:17:26 PST 1996
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From: George Graves <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Evidence of Zionist Conspiracy
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Panagiotis Pantziark wrote:
>
> Nope, a flash of inspiration and it was there, (I suspect that those
> zionist illuminati have been zapping stuff at microwave frequency for
> some time, so it may be that it’s an indirect quote from the Protocols).
> Feel free to re-use it…
>
> Pan

Mr. Pantziark,

If you were to quote your sources, like others on this NG do, we
might know what you are talking about.

George Graves

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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> Eric Blace ([email protected]) writes:
> > Les Griswold ([email protected]) writes:
> >
> >> But these leftist yahoss never think about that. All that will fit into
> >> their chipmunk brains is that “Natsees” have to be stopped, at ANY cost.
> >>
> >> Les
> >>
> > So what’s your point? There is nothing wrong about getting rid of nazis.
> > The sooner the better. I mean really, what useful purpose do they serve?
> > None that I can see, except maybe taking up way to much bandwidth.
> > Any cost? Sure, why not. If we need more manure, there is always cattle.
>
> You know, Eric, EXACTLY the same thing can be (and has been) said about
> leftists. You REALLY think that you useful idiots will be kept for one
> second longer than the point where your usefullness ends?
>
> Les

Useful? Lefties are useful? For what? This I gotta hear.

George Graves

From [email protected] Mon Jan 1 09:17:28 PST 1996
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Charles R.L. Power wrote:
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> George Graves <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >The reason why diamonds are the most expensive gemstones is because the
> >diamond industry (headed by the aforementioned Oppenheimer family) has a
> >virtual monopoly on the world’s supply, and keeps them off the market to
> >keep prices artificially high. I understand that DeBeers has warehouses
> >filled with enough diamonds to last the world a thousand years, even if
> >not another diamond were ever taken from the earth. This is ONE Jewish
> >conspiracy that they don’t even try to hide. Its very well known, its just
> >that no one can do anything about it except play (and pay) along.
>
> Hey, dummy, who the hell is forcing you to buy diamond gemstones?

Hey folks, we’ve another bonified idiot on board. Can’t tell the
difference between an academic discussion and a personal gripe.
Just for your edification Charlie, I’ve never bought a diamond
gemstone in my life, and for all I care, the price can go through
the roof. I suggest you digest what you read a little more before
regurgitating your bile. You might end up with it all over YOUR
face!

George Graves

From [email protected] Mon Jan 1 09:17:29 PST 1996
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From: George Graves <[email protected]>
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David wrote:
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> ___________________________________________________
> …… BOOK REVIEW FROM … NEW DAWN No. 24 …….
> ***************************************************
>
> The Politics of Righteousness
> Idaho Christian Patriotism
> By James Aho,
> University of Washington Press,
> Seattle, 1990, 232 pp.
>
> A Review/Critique
> By DR. GORDON GINN
>
> James A. Aho (pronounced “Ah-hoe”), is a professor of sociology at
> Idaho State University at Pocatello, and is the author of a book with
> the intriguing title, The Politics of Righteousness,1 with the
> subtitle of Idaho Christian Patriotism. He has attempted to get inside
> the so-called extreme right-wing of American culture not only to
> describe its devotees, their beliefs and organisations, but to learn
> what makes it tick. Although he is by his own admission a liberal
> sociologist2, he presented a dispassionate view of a segment of
> society that was foreign and frightening to him. Like most liberals,
> he correctly ascertained that the reason for the movement’s existence
> is its perception of a nation gone awry politically, economically, and
> morally. By and large “right-wingers” believe in a great conspiracy to
> rule the world. But Aho did not apply his sociological skills to
> dissecting that terminus a quo of the “right-wing” phenomenon – the
> “beast” itself.
> That task, of course, would have been far beyond the scope of his work
> for at least two reasons: it would have required an additional large
> volume, and he did not believe in such a master conspiracy anyway. One
> might say that the latter is the reason why the so-called right-wing
> flourishes – its constituents find themselves without representation
> not only in government, but in the “legitimate” media. Consequently,
> any attempt to analyse and explain the “Christian right” sans
> Orwellian big brother only exacerbates the problem, no matter how
> objective the professional may try to be. In The Politics of
> Righteousness, Dr. Aho has done a commendable and often enlightening
> job of describing the beliefs of those in the movement, but he assumed
> that many of the key elements attached to the movement by its
> detractors, for example “anti-Semitism”, are in fact based on an
> extremist mentality. This does little to change the fundamental image
> of America’s disenfranchised patriots, which negative image the mass
> liberal media are all too happy to exploit.

Large amounts of this interesting and well written post deleted for
convenience (mine, not yours).

Dr. Aho’s work seems flawed on several points (going only by what
‘David’ has posted, I have NOT read this book). First of all, he did
not carry through with an investigation of the Zionist Conspiracy
because (in David’s words) “it would have required an additional
large volume, and he did not believe in such a master conspiracy
anyway.” This shows bigotry on the good doctor’s part. He assumed
that one of the motivations for his subjects’ attitudes and ideas
was unfounded without bothering to ascertain whether or not this
was the case. He also assumes (again, according to David’s criticism)
that people with extreme right-wing attitudes are predominately
followers of the Christian religion. I know dozens of right-wing
extremists, I count almost all of my friends among them, none
are religious in any sense of the term. Neither, it seems, are a
majority of the right-wing extremists who post to this NG
(including, Yours, Truly here). Certainly the religious right is a
factor, but I do not believe it dominates, and even if it does,
it is certainly not all inclusive.

George Graves

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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> Ken McVay OBC ([email protected]) writes:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
> >
> >>Yes, I did. But I also said that the Whites did this because they had an
> >>incorrect grasp of judaism, regarding it to be just a religion, when it
> >>damn well wasn’t. Had they correctly identified the jews as a RACE and
> >>not a RELIGION, this would have been prevented.
> >
> > Horsepucky. Culture? Yes, race? Not a hope. Where _do_ you get
> > this crap, Mr. Griswold?
>
> Oh, please. Don’t tell me that you believe that “Jews are just like us,
> except they go to church on Saturday!”
>
> —

For anyone who doesn’t think that the Jews are are a race with racial
characteristics, try this one.
Have you ever heard someone say “Funny, he doesn’t look Jewish”?
Now try it with a Catholic. ‘Funny, he doesn’t look Catholic” Nah,
it doesn’t work. I mean, what does a Catholic look like? On the other
han we know what Jews look like (or rather I know what Jews look like.
You could too, if you studied them enough to learn what physical
characteristics are Jewish).

George Graves

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George Graves

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Well, if you mean by that last statement that I am beyond the help of the
likes of you, I’ll have to heartily agree. But then, who would want the
help of a bunch of race-traitors and Jew-dupes?

George Graves

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George Graves

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Mr. Pantziark,

If you were to quote your sources, like others on this NG do, we
might know what you are talking about.

George Graves

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Useful? Lefties are useful? For what? This I gotta hear.

George Graves

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Large amounts of this interesting and well written post deleted for
convenience (mine, not yours).

George Graves

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Polattolah wrote:
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> I read or saw someplace that Hitler was Time Magazine’s 1933 “Man of the Year”.
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> Can anyone out there confirm this?
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> Better yet, can any binaries be posted?
>
> Thanks in advance.

No, Frank. Hitler was Time’s Man of The Year in 1938. Here is the text
of the article from that Issue:

Greatest single news event of 1938 took place on September 29, when four
statesmen met at the Fuhrerhaus, in Munich, to redraw the map of Europe.
The three visiting statesmen at that historic conference were Prime
Minister Neville Chamberlain of Great Britain, Premier Edouard Daladier of
France, and Dictator Benito Mussolini of Italy. But by all odds the dominating
figure at Munich was the German host, Adolf Hitler.

Fuhrer of the German people, Commander-in-Chief of the German Army,
Navy & Air Force, Chancellor of the Third Reich, Herr Hitler reaped on that
day at Munich the harvest of an audacious, defiant, ruthless foreign policy he
had pursued for five and a half years. He had torn the Treaty of Versailles to
shreds. He had rearmed Germany to the teeth–or as close to the tooth as he
was able. He had stolen Austria before the eyes of a horrified and apparently
impotent world.

All these events were shocking to nations which had defeated Germany on
the battlefield only 20 years before, but nothing so terrified the world as
the ruthless, methodical, Nazi-directed events which during late summer
and early autumn threatened a world war over Czechoslovakia. When without
loss of blood he reduced Czechoslovakia to a German puppet state, forced a
drastic revision of Europe’s defensive alliances, and won a free hand for
himself in Eastern Europe by getting a “hands-off” promise from powerful
Britain (and later France), Adolf Hitler without doubt became 1938’s Man of
the Year.

Most other world figures of 1938 faded in importance as the year drew to
a close. Prime Minister Chamberlain’s “peace with honor” seemed more than
ever to have achieved neither. An increasing number of Britons ridiculed his
appease-the-dictators policy, believed that nothing save abject surrender
could satisfy the dictators’ ambitions.

Among many Frenchmen there rose a feeling that Premier Daladier, by a
few strokes of the pen at Munich, had turned France into a second-rate
power. Aping Mussolini in his gestures and copying triumphant Hitler’s
shouting complex, the once liberal Daladier at year’s end was reduced to
using parliamentary tricks to keep his job.

During 1938 Dictator Mussolini was only a decidedly junior partner in the
firm of Hitler & Mussolini, Inc. His noisy agitation to get Corsica and Tunis
>from France was rated as a weak bluff whose immediate objectives were no
more than cheaper tolls for Italian ships in the Suez Canal and control of the
Djibouti-Addis Ababa railroad.

Gone from the international scene was Eduard Benes, for 20 years
Europe’s “Smartest Little Statesman.” Last President of free Czechoslovakia,
he was now a sick exile from the country he helped found. Pious Chinese
Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek, Man of 1937, was forced to retreat to a
“New” West China, where he faced the possibility of becoming only a
respectable figurehead in an enveloping Communist movement. If Francisco
Franco had won the Spanish Civil War after his great spring drive, he might
well have been Man-of-the-Year timber. But victory still eluded the
Generalissimo and war weariness and disaffection on the Rightist side made
his future precarious.

On the American scene, 1938 was no one man’s year. Certainly it was not
Franklin Roosevelt’s; his Purge was beaten and his party lost much of its
bulge in the Congress. Secretary Hull will remember Good Neighborly 1938
as the year he crowned his trade treaty efforts with the British agreement,
but history will not specially identify Mr. Hull with 1938. At year’s end in
Lima, his plan of Continental Solidarity for the two Americas had a few of
its teeth pulled.

But the figure of Adolf Hitler strode over a cringing Europe with all the
swagger of a conqueror. Not the mere fact that the Fuhrer brought
10,500,000 more people (7,000,000 Austrians, 3,500,000 Sudetens) under
his absolute rule made him the Man of 1938. Japan during the same time
added tens of millions of Chinese to her empire. More significant was the
fact Hitler became in 1938 the greatest threatening force that the
democratic, freedom-loving world faces today.

His shadow fell far beyond Germany’s frontier. Small, neighboring States
(Denmark, Norway, Czechoslovakia, Lithuania, The Balkans, Luxembourg, The
Netherlands) feared to offend him. In France Nazi pressure was in part
responsible for some of the post-Munich anti-democratic decrees. Fascism
had intervened openly in Spain, had fostered a revolt in Brazil, was covertly
aiding revolutionary movements in Rumania, Hungary, Poland, Lithuania. In
Finland a foreign minister had to resign under Nazi pressure. Throughout
eastern Europe after Munich the trend was toward less freedom, more
dictatorship. In the U.S. alone did democracy feel itself strong enough at
year’s end to give Hitler his come-uppance.

The Fascintern, with Hitler in the driver’s seat, with Mussolini, Franco
and the Japanese military cabal riding behind, emerged in 1938 as an
international, revolutionary movement. Rant as he might against the
machinations of international Communism and international Jewry, or rave
as he would that he was just a Pan-German trying to get all the Germans
back in one nation, Fuhrer Hitler had himself become the world’s No. 1
International Revolutionist–so much so that if the oft-predicted struggle
between Fascism and Communism now takes place it will be only because
two revolutionist dictators, Hitler and Stalin, are too big to let each other
live in the same world.

But Fuhrer Hitler does not regard himself as a revolutionary; he has
become so only by force of circumstances. Fascism has discovered that
freedom–of press, speech, assembly–is a potential danger to its own
security. In Fascist phraseology democracy is often coupled with
Communism. The Fascist battle against freedom is often carried forward
under the false slogan of “Down with Communism!” One of the chief German
complaints against democratic Czechoslovakia last summer was that it was
an “outpost of Communism.”

A generation ago western civilization had apparently outgrown the major
evils of barbarism except for war between nations. The Russian Communist
Revolution promoted the evil of class war. Hitler topped it by another, race
war. Fascism and Communism both resurrected religious war. These multiple
forms of barbarism gave shape in 1938 to an issue over which men may
again, perhaps soon, shed blood: the issue of civilized liberty v. barbaric
authoritarianism.

Lesser men of the year seemed small indeed beside the Fuhrer. Undoubted
Crook of the Year was the late Frank Donald Coster (ne Musica), with Richard
Whitney, now in Sing Sing Prison, as runner-up. Sportsman of the Year was
Tennist Donald Budge, champion of the U.S., England, France, Australia.
Aviator of the Year was 33-year-old Howard Robard Hughes, diffident
millionaire, who flew a sober, precise, foolproof course 14,716 miles round
the top of the world in three days, 19 hours, eight minutes.

Radio’s Man of the Year was youthful Orson Welles who, in his famous The
War of the Worlds broadcast, scared fewer people than Hitler, but more than
had ever been frightened by radio before, demonstrating that radio can be a
tremendous force in whipping up mass emotion. Playwright of the Year was
Thornton Wilder, previously a precious litterateur, whose first play on
Broadway, Our Town, was not only ingenious and moving, but a big hit. To
Gabriel Pascal, producer of Pygmalion, first full-length picture based on the
wordy dramas of George Bernard Shaw, went the title of Cineman of the Year
for having discovered a rich mine of dramatic material when other famed
producers had given up all hope of ever tapping it. Men of the Year,
outstanding in comprehensive science were three medical researchers who
discovered that nicotinic acid was a cure for human pellagra: Drs. Tom
Douglas Spies of Cincinnati General Hospital, Marion Arthur Blankenhorn of
the University of Cincinnati, Clark Niel Cooper of Waterloo, Iowa.

In religion, the two outstanding figures of 1938 were in sharp contrast
save for their opposition to Adolf Hitler. One of them, Pope Pius XI, 81,
spoke with “bitter sadness” of Italy’s anti-Semitic laws, the harrying of
Italian Catholic Action groups, the reception Mussolini gave Hitler last May,
declared sadly: “We have offered our now old life for the peace and
prosperity of peoples. We offer it anew.” By spending most of the year in a
concentration camp, Protestant Pastor Martin Niemoller gave courageous
witness to his faith.

It was noteworthy that few of these other men of the year would have
been free to achieve their accomplishments in Nazi Germany. The genius of
free wills has been so stifled by the oppression of dictatorship that
Germany’s output of poetry, prose, music, philosophy,art has been meagre
indeed.

The man most responsible for this world tragedy is a moody, brooding,
unprepossessing, 49-year-old Austrian-born ascetic with a Charlie Chaplin
mustache. The son of an Austrian petty customs official, Adolf Hitler was
raised as a spoiled child by a doting mother. Consistently failing to pass
even the most elementary studies, he grew up a half-educated young man,
untrained for any trade or profession, seemingly doomed to failure. Brilliant,
charming, cosmopolitan Vienna he learned to loathe for what he called its
Semitism; more to his liking was homogeneous Munich, his real home after
1912. To this man of no trade and few interests the Great War was a
welcome event which gave him some purpose in life. Hitler took part in 48
engagements, won the German Iron Cross (first class), was wounded once
and gassed once, was in a hospital when the Armistice of November 11,
1918 was declared.

His political career began in 1919 when he became Member No. 7 of the
midget German Labor Party. Discovering his powers of oratory, Hitler soon
became the party’s leader, changed its name to the National Socialist
German Labor Party, wrote is anti- Semitic, anti-democratic, authoritarian
program. The party’s first mass meeting took place in Munich in February
1920. The leader intended to participate in a monarchist attempt to seize
power a month later; but for this abortive Putsch Fuhrer Hitler arrived too
late. An even less successful National Socialist attempt–the famed Munich
Beer Hall Putsch of 1923–provided the party with dead martyrs, landed
Herr Hitler in jail. His incarceration at Landsberg Fortress gave him time to
write the first volume of Mein Kampf, now a “must” on every German
bookshelf. (Deputy Fuhrer Rudolf Hess helped write it. Imprisonment also
gave Hitler time to perfect his tactics. Even before that time he got from
his Communist opponents the idea of gangster-like party storm troopers;
after this the principle of the small cell groups of devoted party workers.)

Outlawed in many German districts, the National Socialist Party
nevertheless climbed steadily in membership. Time-honored Tammany Hall
methods of handing out many small favors were combined with rowdy
terrorism and lurid, patriotic propaganda. The picture of a mystic,
abstemious, charismatic Fuhrer was assiduously cultivated.

Not until 1929 did National Socialism win its first absolute majority in
a city election (at Coburg) and make its first significant showing in a
provincial election (in Thuringia). But from 1928 on the party almost
continually gained in electoral strength. In the Reichstag elections of 1928
it polled 809,000 votes. Two years later 6,401,016 Germans voted for
National Socialist deputies while in 1932 the vote was 13,732,779. While
still short of a majority, the vote was nevertheless impressive proof of the
power of the man and his movement.

The situation which gave rise to this demagogic, ignorant, desperate
movement was inherent in the German Republic’s birth and in the craving of
large sections of the politically immature German people for strong,
masterful leadership. Democracy in Germany was conceived in the womb of
military defeat. It was the Republic which put its signature (unwillingly) to
the humiliating Versailles Treaty, a brand of shame which it never lived
down in German minds.

That the German people love uniforms, parades, military formations, and
submit easily to authority is no secret. Fuhrer Hitler’s own hero is Frederick
the Great. That admiration stems undoubtedly from Frederick’s military
prowess and autocratic rule rather than from Frederick’s love of French
culture and his hatred of Prussian boorishness. But unlike the polished
Frederick, Fuhrer Hitler, whose reading has always been very limited,
invites few great minds to visit him, nor would Fuhrer Hitler agree with
Frederick’s contention that he was “tired of ruling over slaves.” (Bismarck,
the Iron Chancellor, also complained of the submissiveness of German
character.)

In bad straits even in fair weather, the German Republic collapsed under
the weight of the 1929-34 depression in which German unemployment
soared to 7,000,000 above a nationwide wind drift of bankruptcies and
failures. Called to power as Chancellor of the Third Reich on January 30,
1933 by aged, senile President Paul von Hindenburg, Chancellor Hitler began
to turn the Reich inside out. Unemployment was solved by: 1) a far-reaching
program of public works; 2) an intense re-armament program, including a
huge standing army; 3) enforced labor in the service of the State (the
German Labor Corps); 4) putting political enemies and Jewish, Communist
and Socialist jobholders in concentration camps.

What Adolf Hitler & Co. did to Germany in less than six years was
applauded wildly and ecstatically by most Germans. He lifted the nation
>from post-War defeatism. Under the swastika Germany was unified. His was
no ordinary dictatorship, but rather one of great energy and magnificent
planning. The “socialist” part of National Socialism might be scoffed at by
hard-&-fast Marxists, but the Nazi movement nevertheless had a mass basis.
The 1,500 miles of magnificent highways built, schemes for cheap cars and
simple workers’ benefits, grandiose plans for rebuilding German cities made
Germans burst with pride. Germans might eat many substitute foods or wear
ersatz clothes but they did eat.

What Adolf Hitler & Co. did to the German people in that time left
civilized men and women aghast. Civil rights and liberties have disappeared.
Opposition to the Nazi regime has become tantamount to suicide or worse.
Free speech and free assembly are anachronisms. The reputations of the
once-vaunted German centres of learning have vanished. Education has been
reduced to a National Socialist catechism.

Pace Quickened. Germany’s 700,000 Jews have been tortured physically,
robbed of homes and properties, denied a chance to earn a living, chased off
the streets. Now they are being held for “ransom,” a gangster trick through
the ages. But not only Jews have suffered. Out of Germany has come a
steady, ever- swelling stream of refugees, Jews and Gentiles, liberals and
conservatives, Catholics as well as Protestants, who could stand Naziism no
longer. TIME’s cover, showing Organist Adolf Hitler playing his hymn of hate
in a desecrated cathedral while victims dangle on a St. Catherine’s wheel
and the Nazi hierarchy looks on, was drawn by Baron Rudolph Charles von
Ripper, a Catholic who found Germany intolerable.

Meanwhile, Germany has become a nation of uniforms, goose- stepping to
Hitler’s tune, where boys of ten are taught to throw hand grenades, where
women are regarded as breeding machines. Most cruel joke of all, however,
has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small
businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving
Germany’s bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo
that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some
businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a
capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea
of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be
deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial
orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed
for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large
estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure
fundamentally similar to Russian Communism.

When Germany took over Austria she took upon herself the care and
feeding of 7,000,000 poor relations. When 3,500,000 Sudetens were
absorbed, there were that many more mouths to feed. As 1938 drew to a
close many were the signs that the Nazi economy of exchange control, barter
trade, lowered standard of living, “self-sufficiency,” was cracking. Nor were
signs lacking that many Germans disliked the cruelties of their Government,
but were afraid to protest them. Having a hard time to provide enough bread
to go round, Fuhrer Hitler was being driven to give the German people
another diverting circus. The Nazi controlled press, jumping the rope at the
count of Propaganda Minister Paul Joseph Goebbels, shrieked insults at real
and imagined enemies. And the pace of the German dictatorship quickened as
more & more guns rolled from factories and little more butter was produced.

In five years under the Man of 1938, regimented Germany had made itself
one of the great military powers of the world today. The British Navy
remains supreme on the seas. Most military men regard the French Army as
incomparable. Biggest question mark is air strength, which changes from day
to day, but most observers believe Germany superior in warplanes. Despite a
shortage of trained officers and a lack of materials, the German Army has
become a formidable machine which could probably be beaten only by a
combination of opposing armies. As testimony to his nation’s puissance,
Fuhrer Hitler could look back over the year and remember that besides
receiving countless large-bore statesmen (Mr. Chamberlain three times, for
instance), he paid his personal respects to three kings (Sweden’s Gustaf,
Denmark’s Christian, Italy’s Vittorio Emanuele) and was visited by two
(Bulgaria’s Boris, Rumania’s Carol–not counting Hungary’s Regent, Horthy).

Meanwhile an estimated 1,133 streets and squares, notably Rathaus Platz
in Vienna, acquired the name of Adolf Hitler. He delivered 96 public
speeches, attended eleven opera performances (way below par), vanquished
two rivals (Benes and Kurt von Schuschnigg, Austria’s last Chancellor), sold
900,000 new copies of Mein Kampf in Germany besides selling it widely in
Italy and Insurgent Spain. His only loss was in eyesight: he had to begin
wearing spectacles for work. Last week Herr Hitler entertained at a
Christmas party 7,000 workmen now building Berlin’s new mammoth
Chancellery, told them: “The next decade will show those countries with
their patent democracy where true culture is to be found.”

But other nations have emphatically joined the armaments race and
among military men the poser is: “Will Hitler fight when it becomes
definitely certain that he is losing that race?” The dynamics of dictatorship
are such that few who have studied Fascism and its leaders can envision
sexless, restless, instinctive Adolf Hitler rounding out a mellow middle age
in his mountain chalet at Berchtesgaden while a satisfied German people
drink beer and sing folk songs. There is no guarantee that the have-not
nations will go to sleep when they have taken what they now want from the
haves. To those who watched the closing events of the year it seemed more
than probable that the Man of 1938 may make 1939 a year to be remembered.

George Graves

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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> In article <30E70DC[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> > > […deletia…]
>
> > > On the contrary: it was clever enough to cause you to reveal that you rely
> > > for your “facts”, at least in part, on works of fiction.
> > >
> > > JGB
> > >
> > Sometimes, you rotten piece of shit, works of fiction use real facts
> > and real backgroundss for their plots. If you knew how to read, filth,
> > you would know this.
>
> Apparently, Noble Aryan Warriors (TM) can easily distinguish the ‘real
> facts’ in works of fiction, since those are the ones that mesh neatly with
> the Joo conspiracy. A truly useful reality filter, that.
>
> JGB

OK idiot, try the Encyclopedia Britannica. Rhodes, Cecil; Diamonds and
Diamond Mining, DeBeers, Gemstones, Sapphire, Ruby Etc. Its all there.
Unlike you, I have a modicum of personal integrity. I would never post
anything as fact that wasn’t reasonably sure WAS fact. I know far more
history than just about anybody on this NG, I have gained this knowledge
over a lifetime of study. Just because I can’t always tell, chapter and
verse, where I read this bit or that, doesn’t make what I say invalid. You
on the other hand, offer nothing. You’re like a ghost, pointing an empty
sleeve and scoffing at everything the living have to say. You can add
nothing to any conversation, so you ridicule.

George Graves

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From: George Graves <[email protected]>
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Jeanne Kowalewski wrote:
>
> In article <30E6A31[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> * Panagiotis Pantziark wrote:
> * >
> * > Nope, a flash of inspiration and it was there, (I suspect that those
> * > zionist illuminati have been zapping stuff at microwave frequency for
> * > some time, so it may be that it’s an indirect quote from the Protocols).
> * > Feel free to re-use it…
> * >
> * > Pan
> *
> * Mr. Pantziark,
> *
> * If you were to quote your sources, like others on this NG do, we
> * might know what you are talking about.
> *
> * George Graves
>
> Some of us remember what Mr. Pantziark is referring to, but we (Jewish
> controlled dupes and lackeys) won’t reveal it because it’s part of the
> conspiracy. BTW, did you know that all Z.O.G. decoder rings have diamonds
> in them, George?
>
> Rev. Jeanne K.
> Ordained Minister, Universal Life Church

No, Jeanne. I didn’t know that. But it makes sense. Jews like to wear
JEWelry. I’ll bet its a pinky ring!

George Graves

From [email protected] Mon Jan 1 23:46:27 PST 1996
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From: George Graves <[email protected]>
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Panagiotis Pantziark wrote:
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> I hope you’re not suggesting that our esteemed racial warriors can’t keep
> up with the thread…I mean, these are the people to create an aryan
> utopia, suggesting they can’t keep track of a simple joke is…too much
> like the truth.
>
> Pan

Its just a suggestion. Common net courtesy, you know.

George Graves

From [email protected] Mon Jan 1 23:46:28 PST 1996
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From: George Graves <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Dead Jews and Power (and evidence for Jeffrey Brown)
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > I don’t know how anyone can look at De Beers and the Oppenheimers, and their
> > “business,” and come to any conclusion other than that these Jews control the
> > diamond industry and they got way too much power.
> >
> > Apparently, Jeffrey Brown can.
>
> Kindly point out where I came to any conclusion at all about De Beers and
> the Oppenheimers.
>
> I have never figured out what it is about simple requests for
> documentation of the assertions made by racists and bigots that sends them
> into such a frenzy. I could understand it if the didn’t _have_ the
> documentation, and were afraid of being caught up in a lie about, oh, say,
> interracial rapes in the US in 1988, or the utter lack of marriage among
> blacks. (Those are just hypothetical examples, mind you.)
>
> > And if you do do some research, and still deny the power of De Beers and
> > the Oppenheimers, then I don’t know what kind of evidence (if any) would
> > convince you that these Jews are too powerful.
>
> I assume that “mebesius” finds this to be A Bad Thing. Is this because
> they are too powerful, because they are Jews, or is there some other
> reason?
>

No, Brown, its probably because he thinks that you are an idiot. Something
that I KNOW you are. Got caught with your pants down around your ankles
didn’t you? Now, you go look-up EVERY citation Mr. mebesius mentions, as
well as the Britannica citations I mentioned, and then come back and report
to us how you have caught some racists in a lie. If you DON’T do this, then
we will all know what a fraud and a bag of hot wind you are, and that this is
all NG masturbation on your part!

George Graves

From [email protected] Mon Jan 1 23:46:28 PST 1996
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From: George Graves <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Evidence of a World Zionist Conspiracy Part 1
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B. A. Mylite wrote:
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> On Dec 27, 1995 18:13:24 in article Part 1>, ‘George Graves <[email protected]>’ wrote:
>
>
> >Many of you Jews and Jew-Dupes on this NG have been hounding
> >me for evidence of a Jewish conspiracy. What I’m about to post
> >is not proof, however.
>
>
> You’re correct. This is not proof of anything, much less a *Jewish
> conspiracy.* So where’s the proof you repeatedly claimed you would post?
>
> years ago by an anti-semite as deluded and paranoid as George Graves.>

NONE OF YOU LIBERALS CAN FUCKING READ! I never said I had proof. I said
I had a body of circumstantial evidence which points to a Jewish
conspiracy.
Don’t you know the difference between ‘proof’ and ‘evidence’? You
should have been an O.J. juror, you’d have fit right in.

George Graves

From [email protected] Tue Jan 2 16:37:52 PST 1996
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Frank Weltner wrote:
>
> > Why are Jews always singled out? That’s an easy one. Because we’re smart,
> > we’re able to adapt to any country we live in, and we are able to become
> > successful. That just burns your little white trash ass, doesn’t it? You
> > NEED a scapegoat, because otherwise, you might have to take responsibility
> >for your OWN sorry life, instead of having the Jews to blame it on.
> ====================================================================
> Don’t you mean try to take over every country you live in? BTW, I love the
> assumptions you Jews and other liberals make about people’s sorry lives.
> Believe me, being a racists or an anti-semite has nothing whatsoever to
> do with a person’s personal success or happiness. But you assume that
> anyone who doesn’t believe your sick liberal filth must be some kind of
> unhappy failure looking for someone to blame. Well lady, it just ain’t so.
> That’s just as much (or even more of) a stereotype than you libs accuse
> we racists of making-up.
> =====================================================================
>
> I have not yet seen a single country that Jews have successfully taken
> over. Let’s see, they are in Russia, Germany (oops, wrong), England,
> France, Italy, United States (a little corruption of congressmen, but who
> doesn’t do that including the japanese), south american, etc. No countries
> they head there. I think Disraeli was Jewish and was PM in Britain for
> awhile; he seems to have relinquished his hold when he was voted out,
> though, and that’s not very conspiratorial, is it?).
>
> Jews are great. They are inventive, hard working, industrious, and just
> want to participate. I have no problem with them. Much rather have Jews
> around than murdering, city-killing savages. Don’t have to feed them with
> food stamps; in fact, they pay taxes. What more could a bigot like me
> want? Absolutely nothing. If the blacks, native Americans, and immigrants
> were so good, I’d be off this newsgroup. I don’t objective to a person’s
> racial inheritance, just to their behavior as a group; if they get better
> and become productive, they fall from my shit list immediately. I am an
> equal opportunity bigot. However, I hold the line at affirmative action.
> You have to EARN your way off my shit list once you get on it.

Frank, those “savages” get away with what they do, and are on welfare,
and get light (or no) prison sentences PRECEISLY because the Jew is their
advocate. When I was a college student, fighting for civil rights (yeah, I
know. I’m not too proud of it either), we would go down to Mississippi
and Alabama to “march” etc. The marchers might have been dewey-eyed
liberal college kids (just doin’ what monkeys do), but the instigators
were ALL 35 year old+ JEWS (at least all of them that I saw were).
Ever notice that a large majority of TV sitcoms have black casts, as
if the blacks constituted a major portion of the U.S. population? Check
out the names of the producers and writers of these shows: Saul
Turttletaub, Norman Lear, Murray Shapiro, Leon Abrhamovitz etc.,
etc.

George Graves

From [email protected] Wed Jan 3 18:37:39 PST 1996
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Les Griswold wrote:
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> George Graves ([email protected]) writes:
> > Les Griswold wrote:
> >>
> >> Android Walton ([email protected]) writes:
> >>
> >> (snip – nothing of importance, so I deleted it.)
> >>
> >> Les
> > Now that I’ve stopped laughing, and wiped the tears from my eyes:
> >
> > Les, Walton NEVER says anything important to say on any subject, but
> > you have certainly hit upon a way to clear this NG of liberals. Just
> > ignore them! They’ll scream and hollar, and eventually, if we only
> > respond to each other, they’ll go away!
> > Now back to Walton. Do you know of any way we can delete him? (in
> > a nice way, of course). 🙂
>
> Well, this IS a novel way to irritate the hell out of them. Of course,
> they’ll stomp and scream about how they “don’t care” that a “Natsee” has
> called them a twat, but it will, and badly. See, most liberals REALLY
> CAN’T UNDERSTAND how stupid they look to ordinary people, how hare-brained
> their “love-everybody-except-Whites” makes them look. And when you try to
> do them a favour and explain it to them, they get resentful! I tell you,
> there’s just no appreciation in this world anymore for an honest man!
>
> Les

Well, Les, I always say that there are two types of people in the world:
racists and liars. When I meet a multiculturalist, I always ask: ‘Which
are you?’ It jams ’em up, because deep down inside they KNOW the real
answer, but their brainwashing will never let them admit it. They are
dishonest to themselves and to everyone about them. In short, they’re a
mess!

George Graves

From [email protected] Thu Jan 4 12:32:00 PST 1996
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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
>
> KT ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : That’s what it looks like when one ignores a few basic facts. You see, the
> : Romans only *executed* him whereas jews BETRAYED him and were
> : behind the whole thing.
>
> Mind explaining this?
>

Its simple. According to legend (i.e. the New Testament) Pontius Pilate,
Roman Governor General of Judea, asked the people of Jeruselam who
they wanted set free (in accordance with a Roman tradition), and they
(the Jews in Jeruselam) chose a revolutionary figure named Barabbas to
be set free RATHER than the Christ. Also, it was the priests of the Jewish
temple, who, angry at the Christ’s disruption of the moneychangers in the
temple, ordered his arrest by the Romans. This is the source of the idea
that the Jews betrayed Christ. It was Harrod Antipas who condemmed
Christ after Pilate had “washed his hands” of the matter, and it was the
soldiers of the Roman garrison at Jeruselam who carried out the sentence
and crucified him. Clear now?

George Graves

From [email protected] Thu Jan 4 12:40:36 PST 1996
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From: George Graves <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Black and Hispanic Homicide Rate
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Fran Siegal wrote:
>
> A country in an evolving and non-static entity. We can’t measure the
> collective morality of its present generation by the aberrance of war, or
> even by it’s history. It must be measured by how we treat our family and
> our neighbors right here and now. By that measure it is the US who can lay
> claim to being the most degraded and uncivilized nation on earth. We
> presently hold the distinction of having the highest murder rate of any
> nation. If there were ever an Olympics for murder, mugging, rape (adult,
> children and babies) ,thievery, etc., the US would sweep the golds.
>
> But who is actually responsible for America’s decline?
>
> Let’s take the murder rate for example.
>
> If one factored-out all the murders and other such crimes committed by the
> Blacks and Hispanics (Puerto Ricans and Dominicans), then the murder and
> miscellaneous crime rate in the US would be approximately the same as
> Finland, The Netherlands, Japan, and other such civilized/safe countries.
>
> Here are some figures to chew on:
>
> HOMICIDE ARRESTS PER 100,000
>
> WHITE MALES——AGE 18-24:***** 23 PER 100,000
> —————–AGE 14-17:***** 15 ” ” ”
>
> AFRO-AMERICANS—AGE 18-24:***** 210 PER 100,000
> —————–AGE 17-24:***** 110 ” ” ”
>
> Homicide arrests for Hispanics are also extremely high
>
> Similar figures exist for other felony arrests
>
> Source-
>
> 1993.New York Times (31 Jan). Cites Fox, J.A., and Pierce, from
> Northeastern University in Boston
>
> Some books that address the cultural/ethnic issue:
>
> 1. WHO PROSPERS *****especially*********
>
> by Lawrence Harrison ISBN 0-465-09167-9
>
> 2. RACE AND CULTURE
>
> by Thomas Sowell ISBN 0-465-06796-4
>
> 3. THE DECLINE OF INTELLIGENCE IN AMERICA *****especially*******
>
> By Seymour W. Itzkoff ISBN 0-275-95229-0
>
> 4. IN DEFENSE OF ELITISM
>
> By William Henry
>
> 5. A NATION OF VICTIMS
> By Charles J. Sykes ISBN 0-312-08297-5
>
> 6. THE BELL CURVE
>
> by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murry ISBN 0-02-914673-9
>
> Fran

Your figures are about correct. If we removed ALL non-whites from
the above statistics, we would find that the United States would have
among the lowest incidence of crime in the world. Before we gave the
blacks “Their civil rights” this was so.

George Graves

From [email protected] Fri Jan 5 08:06:59 PST 1996
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Frank Weltner wrote:
>
> I have had several contacts with my system administrator from this board,
> also. Perhaps it is time for reprisals. I wonder how their system
> administrators would treat them coming aboard our newsgroup and posting
> flames which are designed to hinder and redesign our discussions? I doubt
> they would like getting email like that.
>
> It is a typical liberal ploy, used by Stalin, Trotsky, and Lenin to
> demolish opposition, always acting the part of an “elevated observer”
> pointing down at “those poor slobs below” who just are enlightened enough
> to understand.
>
> Well, Stalin killed approximately 100 million kulaks and politicoes once
> he silenced those who were “those poor slobs below.” Stalin, was the true
> slob of slobs and the class warfare which the negroes and their black
> democratic party are pulling off in America against the white civilization
> is similar to Stalin’s. What bigger terrorism can there be than placing
> criminal blacks into white communities, forcing the native whites to
> leave, ethnically cleansing the neighborhoods so that irresponsible,
> criminal blacks can live there, elect aldermen, and let hundreds of
> millions of dollars in contracts to the union buddies who give them the
> money to pay for their elections? Like turds in a toilet, their hands join
> together.
>
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Joel
> Rosenberg) wrote:
>
> :In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
> :
> :
> :>joel rosenburg sent this to me and to my system administrator:
> :
> :
> :>:Given the just barely implicit threats that have been made against one Ken
> :>:McVay by somebody apparently posting from this account under, variously, the
> :>:names of “Davey Padget”, “R.C. Richards”, and “Racial Theorist”, I thought
> :>:it only fair to verify this information before passing it along to the
> :>:appropriate authorities, who undoubtedly will either be aware or be made
> :>:aware that McVay has recently been targetted by at least one white
> :>:supremacist group for his anti-bigotry work on the Nizkor Project.
> :
> :
> :>so have you passed the info on to the appropiate authorities, joel?
> :
> :Yes, I have. As I told you in private email — in my final response to your
> :unsolicited email, which I’ve repeatedly asked you to cease, and which is
> :going to automatically bounce over to your sysadmin from now on — , the
> :packet is sitting out waiting for today’s mail.
> :
> : i>guess i’m gonna be locked up, huh?
> :
> :I don’t know. I guess that’s going to be your problem, eh?
> :
> :But do keep backpedaling and denying. It’s fun to watch you try to weasel out
> :of it, oh brave aryan stalker.

This is typical of Jews (in my estimation). They go on a NG that has nothing
on it for them, where they are bound to be excoriated, baited, flammed, and
generally given a bad time, and then run to the authorities whenever the
going gets too tough for them.

George Graves

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evil Beavis wrote:
>
> George Graves wrote:
> >
> > Steve Withers wrote:
> > >
> > > >> >I find it
> > > >> >facinating that practically every free and democratic nation on Earth has
> > > >> >formulated legislation to deal with Hatemongers. Countrys such as Great
> > > >> >Britain, France, Austrailia, New Zealand, Belgium, Holland, Sweden,
> > > >> >Switzerland and Germany to name a few all have anti-hate laws.
> > > >>
> > > >> Those “Hatemongers” have a damn good reason to *hate*. Which is why
> > > >> anti-immigrant parties are gaining a steady increase in popularity in
> > > >> those very same countries.
> > >
> > > Whoever this troll was………..New Zealand has no ‘anti-immigration’
> > > party that I know of.
> > >
> > > The party currently in power (National Party) is probably the most
> > > PRO immigration party.
> >
> > Oh, so they got to New Zealand too? Today, and idyllic island paradise
> > in the South Pacific, tomorrow a cesspool of multiculturalism. Add
> > one more ruined white country to the list.
> >
> > George Graves
>
> It’s white?! How about the Maoris living there – I guess they don’t
> count…
>
> eB

The Maoris are a very small minority.

George Graves

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Steve Withers wrote:
>
> >> >I find it
> >> >facinating that practically every free and democratic nation on Earth has
> >> >formulated legislation to deal with Hatemongers. Countrys such as Great
> >> >Britain, France, Austrailia, New Zealand, Belgium, Holland, Sweden,
> >> >Switzerland and Germany to name a few all have anti-hate laws.
> >>
> >> Those “Hatemongers” have a damn good reason to *hate*. Which is why
> >> anti-immigrant parties are gaining a steady increase in popularity in
> >> those very same countries.
>
> Whoever this troll was………..New Zealand has no ‘anti-immigration’
> party that I know of.
>
> The party currently in power (National Party) is probably the most
> PRO immigration party.

Oh, so they got to New Zealand too? Today, and idyllic island paradise
in the South Pacific, tomorrow a cesspool of multiculturalism. Add
one more ruined white country to the list.

George Graves

From [email protected] Fri Jan 5 14:26:30 PST 1996
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JeanneK142 wrote:
>
> Miltie’s “fan” wrote:
>
> > * You are obviously a sick demented psycopath who has not heard that you
> > * have already lost the war and the ideology with it. The Jews and the
> > * Jewish controlled everything got your people once and they can do it
> > * again. The privilidge of staying alive in this country is generally
> > * granted to those that that respect the dignity and rights of those
> that
> > * are bigger then them. Keep that in mind.
>
> Then I said:
>
> > OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH! Here’s the proof that George Graves has been unable
> > to supply, which will finally support his anti-JOOISH rantings.
>
> Then George o’ de jungle yodelled:
>
> ======================================================================
> Hey, Craze, go back and check your archives, I never said ‘proof’ I said
> ‘circumstantial evidence’. This thing couldn’t be proven to you and your
> cronies if I had a thousand rabbis swear on a stack of Torahs that it
> was true.
>
> George Graves
> ======================================================================
>
> Well, okay. Then here is more *evidence* to bolster your anti-JOOISH
> rantings.
> Feel better now, George? This is real evidence, isn’t it?

Depends on its source. I know a high placed Hollywood Jew who is head
of one of the bigger trades guilds there. He admits the existence of the
conspiracy freely, and he isn’t kidding, he means it. Have had some really
interesting discussions with him about it, so I do believe him. On the
other hand, on a NG like this, so many people are baiting the opposition,
that I look with jaundiced eye upon any such statements proffered in this
manner. (even the one I posted myself from a Mr. Alpert, last week). It
may be a real admission, then again, it may not.

George Graves

From [email protected] Fri Jan 5 14:26:31 PST 1996
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Harry Katz wrote:
>
> I wrote:
>
> Mr. Graves, as expected, misses a particularly important
> distinction. Stereotypes are always based on factors that the
> individual victim cannot help or remedy. For example,
> Mr. Graves’ characterization of Jews is something that I did
> nothing to create and can do nothing to dispell, yet he does
> indeed apply it to me.
>
> On the other hand, the characterization of racists derives from
> their own words and deeds. No one said that so-called “White”
> people as a whole are losers looking for someone to blame —
> that would be a stereotype. But to say that Mr. Graves is
> looking for someone to blame is to merely summarize his own
> words. That Mr. Graves feels in some way unsuccessful in life
> (which can happen even if he has all the trappings of success
> outwardly) we deduce from the insistence with which he blames
> Jews in spite of the fact that he has never presented a single,
> solitary shred of evidence to back it up.
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> George Graves ([email protected]) finds he cannot refute me, so he
> opts instead to abuse me:
>
> Katz, try bullshitting some of the schlemiels on this NG,…
>
> So, Mr. Graves considers people who read this newsgroup to be
> “schlemiels!” Well, being a schlemiel is much better than being a
> schlemazel!
===================================================================
Being a MAJOR schlemazel yourself (as well as a putz and a schmuck), you
should certainly know! (oh, and I forgot you’re also a twat [copyright Les
Griswold, 1995])
===================================================================
>
> …but don’t try it on me. It won’t work.
>
> I know better than to try to bullshit the master of bullshit! I also
> know something that Mr. Graves apparently does not: That bullshit is
> easily discovered, which is why I never indulge in it.
===================================================================
Never indulge in it? Katz your so full of it, your eyes are brown!
====================================================================
>
> What Mr. Graves is pleased to characterize as “bullshit” is actually
> the way I point out when he is bullshitting!
====================================================================
I’m not bullshitting Mr. Jew, and YOU know it! Its your job to go on the
net and try to discredit those who know about the conspiracy and who
are opening other’s eyes about it. You should see the POSITIVE private
E-mail I get! Regardless of what you think you are doing Mr. Evil Jew,
I’m succeeding at my self appointed task. I have rescued many from
your people’s brainwashing.
====================================================================
>
> I know what you are, I know what you’re about,…
>
> Swami Graves sees all and knows all!
====================================================================
I certainly know you Mr. Katz. All to well.
====================================================================
>
> …and I’m not buying it.
>
> I was not offering anything for sale to Mr. Graves, but I am not
> surprised that he will not buy into the truth.
====================================================================
At least someone who is selling something gives the buyer a choice. With
you Jews its subtrafuge, brainwashing, and manipulation. Shame on you!
====================================================================
>
> Go sell your liberal-Jew papers elsewhere!
>
> Once again, unable to counter my arguments, Mr. Graves tries to bully
> me off the internet. If he cannot stand to be exposed then he is the
> one who ought to leave.
====================================================================
Once again, the great Mr. Katz is wrong. I was suggesting that he go try
his BS on others on this NG, because it has no effect on me. Typically,
he took it to mean that I was trying to bully him off the internet. I
couldn’t do that, even if I wanted to. Mr. Katz, does however, show classic
Jewish thinking here. Since the Jews are in favor of curbing anyone’s
ideas which differ from their agenda, they think that everybody believes
this way. It never occurs to Jews that there are people who take liberty
of thought seriously eneough to have principles about it, since they have
no such principles.
Given that, it is no wonder that Mr. Katz and Mr. Rosenberg see threats of
one type or another hiding behind every post.

George Graves
====================================================================
>
> —
> Harry Katz
>
> An envious man frowns when his neighbor rejoices.
> — The Wit and Wisdom of the Talmud, Madison C. Peters, ed.

From [email protected] Fri Jan 5 14:58:28 PST 1996
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Rob Kowalewski wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected](Scott
> A. Reap ) wrote:
>
> > A nazi told me you could tell someone is a Jew just by looking at
> > them.I really doubt this,would any of you nazis care to interject and
> > perhaps give a logical pov?
> >
> > thanks—-Blakkr
>
> Yeah!
>
> And the explanation should encompass Sammy Davis, Jr.
>
> The world awaits!
>
> Rob K.
> —

You can tell an ETHNIC Jew by looking at him/her. You can’t always tell
a member of the Jewish religion. Ashkanazi and Saphardic Jews are
the easiest. There are a bunch of racial characteristics which are
giveaways. One is the nose. The famous Jew nose is shaped like the
number “6” although a bannana shape is also prevelent. Next time you
see a picture of Barbara Streisand, look at her profile. She has classic
Jewish features: Prominent cheek bones, “6” nose, heavy lips, long eye
slits, eyes which are higher on the brow at the nose than they are at the
edge of the cheek, etc. Another classic Jewish face is Henry Kissinger,
Paul Newman is a perfect example of the Jew-shaped eyes. Bette Middler
is another famous Jewess with very Jewish features. compare her profile
with that of Streisand, you will see many similarities.
Sammy Davis, unfortunately, cannot be included in this because he was not
Jewish. He was a negro who adopted the Hebreaic faith. Jews are not
necessarily a religion. Not all Jews follow the Hebreaic religion, nor are
all followers of the Hebeaic faith ethnic Jews.
I had a neighbor once whose surname was Frank. They were obviously
Jewish in appearance. But somewhere along the line, some predecessor
had gone geschmott. They were devout Episcapalians. The son told me once
that his grandmother on his father’s side had abandoned Judaism around the
turn of the century, and had become an Episcapalian. So Ethnic Jews don’t
necessarily go to temple, and some non-Jews do.

George Graves

From [email protected] Fri Jan 5 19:56:33 PST 1996
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Caesar wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “George Graves” writes:
>
> > Caesar wrote:
> > >
> > > Something to worry American white racists is that the US population
> > > is becoming steadily more non-white.
> > >
> > > 75% of Americans are classified by the census department as white
> > > now. This is forcast to fall to just 50% of the population by
> > > the middle of the next century. Hispanics will be
> > > one quarter of the US population by 2050.
> > >
> > > —
> > >
> > > Caesar
> >
> > Not if we can help it! These things CAN be reversed, you know. There is
> > already a BIG movement in this country to put a moritorium on
> > immigration. That’ll do for a start.
>
> What are you racists going to do about the higher black and Hispanic
> birthrate compared to whites?
>
> Are you going to exterminate or castrate anyone who you don’t
> think is white?

> Caesar

I wouldn’t be in favor of either of those two alternatives. I would favor
sending them all back to their country of blood. Hispanics back to Central
America, Negroes back to Africa, Asians back to Asia. Amarinds could stay,
anyone with a European, non-Jewish background could stay. If you get the
majority of the American people mad enough about this, I could see it
happening. There is a lot of anti-immigration sentiment out there. It didn’t
have to happen either. The immigration law which allowed this crazy influx
of people from the world’s sewers, was not designed to do so. It was to
meant to make it easier for families to be reunited. Unfortunately, it was
not worded carefully enough and the result was an unintended influx of
non-whites. I’m sure the members of the 1964 Congress who passed our
current immigration law did not intend for this to happen.

George Graves

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evil Beavis wrote:
>
> George Graves wrote:
> >
> > [email protected] wrote:
> > >
> > > > [email protected] ( ) says:
> > > >
> > > > >While George Graves and Mr. Kolding continue to defend hate-mongers and the
> > > > >vibrant democracy that is the USA, Canadians and other free thinkers around
> > > > >the world will continue to hope that America will not produce any more
> > > > >Metzgers, Macvays, and racist military types who murder Blacks.
> > > >
> > > > No-one ever “murders” niggers, pinhead. One *exterminates* them. Cause
> > > > they’re dirt. Dirt that destroy civilized society, behave like wild animals
> > > > and breed all over the place.
> >
> > You twit! Mr. Kolding and I are NOT defending hate mongers. This is the
> > reason why you are arguing this point. You don’t understand the difference
> > between having freedom as a RIGHT and having freedom as a PRIVILEGE.
> > Hate mongers are simply an EXAMPLE of how the two points of view or
> > doctrines differ in this respect. When freedom of speech is a RIGHT,
> > guaranteed by constitution, hate mongers (and EVERYBODY ELSE) can not,
> > under the law of the land, be enjoined from speaking /writing their opinions.
> > Also, that RIGHT can not be revoked by the government at that government’s
> > whim for expediency based upon topical mores which might change again
> > in another generation. Remember, before the 1960’s, views which, today,
> > are considered racist, were the rule rather than the exception. Only in
> > the last 25 or so years have people thought that saying something demeaning
> > against a non-white was a “hate-crime”. In countries where the government
> > does not guarantee the individual the RIGHT of freedom of speech, that
> > freedom (and others) can be changed to fit the popular fashion. The
> > Founding Fathers knew this, and made sure that the US government didn’t
> > work that way.
> > In Canada, apparently, freedom of speech is a privilege, given (and taken away)
> > at the government’s whim. What might be legal and proper to say today, might
> > not be legal and proper tomorrow. Thiss is the crux of the debate. As to which
> > you prefer, that’s your own business. Just make sure that your ideas and
> > feelings ALWAYS fall into the mainstream of popular and government thinking,
> > or you might just find yourself on the wrong side of that privilege.
> >
> > George Graves
>
> Well, people condoning extermination – like Speedo – should be on the
> wrong side of “that privilege”.
>
> eB

eB shows that he doesn’t understand the the subject of this debate either.
Stefan, In the USA, freedom of speech is NOT a privilege, its a RIGHT. By
definition, Speedo’s views, irrespective of how heinously thay might be
regarded by some portion of the populace, cannot be “on the wrong side”.

George Graves

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Gord McFee wrote:
>
> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] said:
>
> >>
> >> And Mr. Graves can tell a Jew just by looking! This is the kind of
> >> circumstantial evidence that Mr. Graves takes seriously: vague
> >> impressions. He never did bother to identify all of the leaders of
> >> the movement and exactly how many of them were Jewish because that
> >> would bypass his prejudice and might not yield the result he craves.
> >==================================================================== Yeah,
> >I can. I could look at a picture of you, for instance, and without even
> >knowing who it was, my reaction would be: “Oy Vey, Vat a Jew!”
> >==================================================================== >
>
> You really are clueless, aren’t you George?

> Gord McFee

Obviously I’m not as clueless are you are, Mr. Jew-dupe.

George Graves

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Harry Katz wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> George Graves ([email protected]) confessed:
>
> When I was a college student, fighting for civil rights (yeah,
> I know. I’m not too proud of it either), we would go down to
> Mississippi and Alabama to “march” etc.
>
> I commented:
>
> It looks like Mr. Graves has no independent political
> convictions of his own, but blows in the wind. Back when
> radical civil rights was in vogue, he was marching right along.
> Now that reactionary racism is in style, he changes his
> convictions along with his hairstyle.
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> George Graves ([email protected]) takes his best shot:
>
> Once again, Mr. Katz uses his extraordinary powers of deduction
> to ferret out the “truth” and comes up…..WRONG AGAIN!.
>
> If Mr. Graves will read what I wrote again, he will see the phrase,
> “It looks like…” Unlike Mr. Graves, I do not believe that I see
> all and know all, and I am glad to be corrected if I make a mistake.
> I figured that if I was wrong Mr. Graves would correct me, and I see
> that I was right about that.
>
> You Jews had me when I was a kid, That much is true. But I
> pulled back from the abyss at an early age and wised-up. I might
> have been a Jew brainwashed liberal college kid at 18, but by
> twenty, I had recovered (and BTW, radical civil rights was still
> in vogue at that time, but not with me).
>
> All very interesting, but I note that nowhere does Mr. Graves
> substantiate that any real Jews were involved in his “brain-washing,”
> although I am quite sure that all sorts of imaginary “Jews” who ppulate
> his mind were indeed involved.
>
> You ADMIT that reactionary racism is “in style”? Never thought
> I’d hear a Jew say that!
>
> In spite of his bristling at the suggestion that his political
> convictions are based on the most recent fads, Mr. Graves seems to
> think that what is “in style” is an extremely important factor.
>
> Do your handlers know that you have committed this – faux pas?
>
> Just because Mr. Graves and his cronies all have handlers, does not
> mean that everyone in the world has handlers. Unlike him, I answer
> to no one but myself.
>
> Tsk, tsk, tsk Mr. Katz. I’ll bet you get twenty lashes with a
> stiff carp for that one!
>
> Well, at least one thing is certain — it won’t be Mr. Graves’ “stiff
> carp!”
>
> Mr. Graves’ original post continued:
>
> The marchers might have been dewey-eyed liberal college kids
> (just doin’ what monkeys do), but the instigators were
> ALL 35 year old+ JEWS (at least all of them that I saw were).
>
> To which I replied:
>
> And Mr. Graves can tell a Jew just by looking! This is the kind
> of circumstantial evidence that Mr. Graves takes seriously:
> vague impressions. He never did bother to identify all of the
> leaders of the movement and exactly how many of them were Jewish
> because that would bypass his prejudice and might not yield the
> result he craves.
>
> And he responds:
>
> Yeah, I can. I could look at a picture of you, for instance, and
> without even knowing who it was, my reaction would be: “Oy Vey,
> Vat a Jew!”
>
> As usual, when at a loss for arguments, Mr. Graves falls back on
> Jew-baiting. Now, I would not claim to be able to determine that Mr.
> Graves is a blustering bigot just by looking at a picture, unless he
> was drooling or staring vacantly into space. I rely on verifiable
> evidence, like his own words as recorded in these posts.
>
> His original post continued:
>
> Ever notice that a large majority of TV sitcoms have black
> casts, as if the blacks constituted a major portion of the
> U.S. population?
>
> I responded:
>
> No, but I did notice that Mr. Graves makes the most outrageous
> assertions without a single, solitary shred of evidence. I bet
> he cannot tell us how many sitcoms there are on television this
> season, much less how many are devoted to Blacks!
>
> Which elicits this from Mr. Graves:
>
> I don’t even care, Katz. Were it but ONE, it would be one too
> many.
>
> As usual, when caught in a lie the racists pretend not to care. If
> one sitcom featuring Blacks is too many, then why not say so in the
> first place, instead of trying to con people with the
> pseudo-authoritative pronunciamento, “a large majority…!”
>
> I’m not running a school for anti-Jews here,…
>
> No, but he is fishing for naive recruits for his cronies’ “school for
> anti-Jews!” And it irks him when his propaganda balloons burst so
> easily under closer examination.
>
> …or compiling an encyclopedia.
>
> Nor is he digging for the truth!
>
> These are my opinions, based on years of study and observation.
>
> Based on the erroneous assumption that he can tell a Jew by looking
> at him! In other words, every time he “observes” something he does
> not like he immediately knows it must be the work of “Jews.”
>
> Notice that Mr. Graves has promised to post his “observations” of
> “circumstantial evidence” against Jews as soon as he can organize his
> “thoughts” but still has not delivered. He expects us to take his
> word for it that his “observations” are trustworthy — even after he
> was caught in an erroneous “observation” and responded with, “I don’t
> care!”
>
> I don’t give a rat’s ass for quoting the kind of ‘chapter and
> verse’ bibliography for which you and your trained lackeys are
> always asking.
>
> Naturally, when one does not “give a rat’s ass” for the truth what is
> the point of documenting it?
>
> (why bother, none of you would check ’em out anyway.) Its just
> mental masturbation. I could say anything.
>
> He already has demonstrated this skill when he said, “a large
> majority,” without the slightest care as to its truth! But he is
> wrong about checking his statements out. I called him on it and here
> he is backing down, though not very gracefully.
>
> Like: “American Network TV Schedule, 1995-1996: A Complete
> Listing by Show With Key Personnel” Published by A. H. Nielsen
> and Company, New York. You schmucks would never know the
> difference.
>
> Les Griswold has tried that gambit many a time, and he has always
> been caught red-handed! Mr. Graves knows he would fare no better, so
> instead of actually doing it, he creates this fantasy where he does
> it and gets away with it. Then he tries to palm this fantasy off on
> the internet!
>
> But that would be lying
>
> That has never stopped him before!
>
> My last post continued:
>
> Does Mr. Graves expect us to believe that these shows are not on
> the air because they make money? That Jewish producers are
> going broke promoting Black sitcoms out of principle? Wasn’t
> “The Cosby Show” rated number one among all audiences for
> many years?
>
> To which he responds:
>
> Yeah, and they could make EVEN more money with WHITE sitcoms.
> Simple demographics would show that there are more TV watching
> white families than there are black, just by sheer numbers
> alone.
>
> Mr. Graves missed my last sentence about the Cosby Show. Despite his
> “simple demographics” — actually, simple-minded demographics — most
> “White” families preferred to watch Bill Cosby to any other sitcom.
>
> The problem is that Mr. Graves insists on stereotyping “White” people
> as well as Blacks and Jews. Mr. Graves would like to deprive those
> of us who enjoy the performances of talented entertainers of our
> freedom of choice based on his personal taste, or lack thereof.
>
> But why does Mr. Graves ignore the obvious preferences of his own
> race? He unwittingly answers this question himself, though he is
> projecting:
>
> But that doesn’t advance the agenda does it Katz?
>
> Only the truth — something that Mr. Graves does not “give a rat’s ass”
> for — will advance my agenda.
>
> My original rebuttal continued:
>
> Not to mention that Mr. Graves is not about to list the names of
> all television sitcom producers who have created Black sitcoms
> so we can have some perspective. No, he will only list…
> four Jewish producers and ignore the dozens of others who are
> not Jewish.
>
> Mr. Graves responds:
>
> Katzy,…
>
> “Katzy…” So far, this is Mr. Graves’ most intelligent and
> effective argument!
>
> …those names are available to ANYBODY with a TV who cares
> enough to watch the wretched shows…
>
> Which makes it all the more suspicious that Mr. Graves cannot be
> bothered to actually prove his case! But he will probably come back
> with the same argument he uses above: He really doesn’t care and
> even one Jewish producer is too many! You would think that
> television was a branch of the federal government, not a private,
> profitable business.
>
> …(they aren’t funny. That’s AN OPINION and a fact).
>
> This is Mr. Graves’ whole problem in a nutshell! He cannot
> distinguish between opinion and fact, or between fantasy and
> reality. But even if his taste were impeccable, cynics have been
> carping ever since television began that it is an intellectual
> wasteland. Nevertheless, the public decides, and if Mr. Graves
> thinks he has a message worth paying for, then he can start his own
> production company.
>
> I mentioned a couple, but why waste the space to mention
> ’em all.
>
> Perhaps to prove that the “couple” he mentioned are not “all of them!”
> Unless, of course, he cannot prove any such thing.
>
> The point is made.
>
> Indeed! The point is made that Mr. Graves evades the point.
>
> (ever get the idea that I don’t take Katz and his backpedeling
> very seriously?
>
> I am crushed, truly. I thought that Mr. Graves went out of his way
> to slander Jews and Judaism just so he could hear from me.
>
> But I get the feeling that Mr. Graves does not take his own
> reputation very seriously, telling bald and transparent lies and
> foaming at the mouth whenever I point them out.
>
> He’s like a plasterer trying to cover a crack in the ceiling
> that just keeps going, and going, and going……….)
>
> Whereas Mr. Graves is like the man whose roof had so many holes in it
> he didn’t have enough pots, pans, and pails to catch the water that
> leaked in when it rained. When a friend asked why he didn’t fix the
> roof, he answered, “I can’t because it’s raining out!” When asked
> why he didn’t fix it when it stopped raining, he replied, “When it’s
> not raining, the roof doesn’t leak, you damned fool!”
>
> —
> Harry Katz
>
> Go to sleep without supper, but rise without debt.
> — The Wit and Wisdom of the Talmud, Madison C. Peters, ed.

Nice backpedaling there, Katzy. I’m not going to bother answering each
point here, because we have covered this ground over and over. I will
say, however, that NOTHING I have ever posted here is a lie. I would
use false “references” if I wanted to lie, and believe me, I am clever
enough to do it so that you couldn’t check them out. But I would never
do that. We both have an agenda. Yours is to keep the conspiracy hidden
at all costs. Mine is to get people to look for it and thereby expose it.
I am happy to report that my results are encouraging. I have had at least
20 people write me an E-mail note thanking me for lifting the veil from
their eyes. I’m only one person, but if those twenty convince twenty, and
each of those twenty convince twenty………

George Graves

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Mark Staloff wrote:
>
> George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : Depends on its source. I know a high placed Hollywood Jew who is head
> : of one of the bigger trades guilds there. He admits the existence of the
> : conspiracy freely, and he isn’t kidding, he means it. Have had some really
> : interesting discussions with him about it, so I do believe him.
>
> George,
>
> The guy was pulling your leg.
>
> Mark

Mark,

No, he isn’t!

George Graves

From [email protected] Sat Jan 6 12:04:22 PST 1996
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evil Beavis wrote:
>
> R.C. Richards wrote:
> >
> > George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >Well, Les, I always say that there are two types of people in the world:
> > >racists and liars. When I meet a multiculturalist, I always ask: ‘Which
> > >are you?’ It jams ’em up, because deep down inside they KNOW the real
> > >answer, but their brainwashing will never let them admit it. They are
> > >dishonest to themselves and to everyone about them. In short, they’re a
> > >mess!
> >
> > george has hit the nail on the head! anybody ever notice how the libs
> > are real quick to make sure you know they ain’t nigras. whenever we
> > get a new lib on the group, that’s the first thing the lib wants to
> > make sure we’re clear on. second, only like one or two libs have
> > admitted to race mixing–ie, having nigras over to their house–robby
> > cascardden and raggedy. the rest of the libs have about as much
> > experience with nigras as a man on the moon. i’ve always said that
> > deep down the libs don’t like nigras any more than anybody else, but
> > they think it’s politically correct to pretend like they do.
> >
> > in loyal service to the white race,
> >
> > R.C. Richards, Racial Theorist
>
> I for one merely stated I am white because as soon as I made it clear that I
> think your delusions about “supremacy” are idiotic, you automatically assumed
> I had to be black. Furthermore, I don’t think I would go trough the trouble
> to marry someone just to prove I’m politically correct. I think that
> political correctness has been blown way out of proportion in this country,
> but that doesn’t mean you have to accept extremism on the opposite side
> either.
>
> eB

But Stefan, if race means nothing why would you care if Les
or anyone else “assumed you were black”?

George Graves

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Caesar wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “George Graves” writes:
>
> > Steve Withers wrote:
> > >
> > > >> >I find it
> > > >> >facinating that practically every free and democratic nation on Earth has
> > > >> >formulated legislation to deal with Hatemongers. Countrys such as Great
> > > >> >Britain, France, Austrailia, New Zealand, Belgium, Holland, Sweden,
> > > >> >Switzerland and Germany to name a few all have anti-hate laws.
> > > >>
> > > >> Those “Hatemongers” have a damn good reason to *hate*. Which is why
> > > >> anti-immigrant parties are gaining a steady increase in popularity in
> > > >> those very same countries.
> > >
> > > Whoever this troll was………..New Zealand has no ‘anti-immigration’
> > > party that I know of.
> > >
> > > The party currently in power (National Party) is probably the most
> > > PRO immigration party.
> >
> > Oh, so they got to New Zealand too? Today, and idyllic island paradise
> > in the South Pacific, tomorrow a cesspool of multiculturalism. Add
> > one more ruined white country to the list.

> > George Graves
>
> Maoris lived in New Zealand before whites.
>

> Caesar

Indians lived in North America before whites.

George Graves

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Mark Zajac wrote:
>
> RACE, SEX BIAS
> **************
> Rights Commission offers glimpse of chilling future for white males in
> its hiring policy . . .
>
>
> THE FACE OF ONTARIO’S FUTURE IS NON-WHITE AND FEMALE AND A PLACE
> WHERE RIGHTS ARE . . . WRONG
>
> by Christie Blatchford
> Toronto Sun, Fri. August 26, 1994, page 5
>
> The Ontario Human Rights Commission – often touted as a model
> of employment equity – has been systematically and deliberately
> discriminating against white English speaking men, statistics in a
> recent report show.
> And what’s more, even though oly abut 9% of its workforce are
> white men – who form 40% of Ontario’s population – other documents
> prove the commission is hellbent on hiring even more racial minorities
> and aboriginals and on making employment equity a crucial part of a
> major restructuring now under way.
> Less than a week before Bob Rae’s controversial Employment
> Equity Act comes into force for the public service, the results of the
> organizations’s recently completed “employment systems review” put the
> lie to the notion that employment equity is always about fairness.
> Employment equity, which becomes mandatory for large private-
> sector firms next March, is SUPPOSED to see to it that the five
> so-called “designated groups” – women, the disabled, aboriginal people,
> Francophones and racial minorities – are fairly represented.
> White English-speaking men are referred to as the
> “non-designated group.”
> Usually, equity advocates use census results to argue, for
> example, that because the disabled make up about 7% of the general
> population, they should also compose 7% of every work force.
> The assumption has always been that once barriers have been
> “removed” for the designated groups and fairness achieved, mandatory
> equity programs would cease.
> But at the commission, there’s no equity for white men – and
> none planned for the future, either.
> The statistics which form the “workforce profile” released last
> March are revealing enough.
> They show, among other things, that women and racial minorities
> are wildly over-represented among the commission staff.
> Women make up 50% of Ontario’s population, but they form 67% of
> the commission’s workforce, while minorities, who form about 9%, are
> represented at more than four times that rate – about 38% – at the
> commission.
> Aboriginal people, who form 1.7% of the population, have more
> than twice that representation – 3.9% – at the commission.
>
> But the Sun has also learned other shocking facts. Among them:
>
> * White men are totally absent fromt he commission’s “senior management
> group”;
> * In some commission offices outside Metro, particularly in the
> Northern Region, there are NO white men on staff;
> * There are NO white men working in the influential jobs on the
> executive directors’ or the commissioner’s staff;
> * There are no white men employed in the policy branch of the
> commission;
> * There have been virtually no white men promoted in recent years, and
> of the few hired, virtually all had so much seniority in government
> they couldn’t be denied the jobs.
> * The over-representation by racial minorities and women was first
> revealed in a 1989 “I count” survey, which showed the two groups had,
> respectively, 40% and 68% of commission jobs.
>
> But while the number of Francophones has almost doubled since then, the
> plight of the ordinary white male who ISN’T French has only worsened.
> The commission is also in the midst of a sweeping restructuring
> and according to a 26-page report just released to staff a week ago,
> employment equity remains “an organizational priority”.
> The restructuring may see some jobs eliminated, the report says
> and if any competitionsa re held as a result, equity will be a PRIME
> consideration.
> Staff who are deemed “job-threatened” or “surplus” will be
> allowed to compete for their redefined positon or a new one, but equity
> will be a factor in whether or not they get it.
> Management has also recently approved much of a sweeping set of
> recommendations from the commission’s active anti-racism committee; two
> of its goals are to see “and increase in aboriginal” and “racial
> minority staff.”
> It’s quite clear that if the commission is a glimpse of the
> future for Ontario under employment equity, the fact of the future is
> female and non-white.
> [End of Article]

The same thing is happening in all white countries. The US government has
similar policies. Anywhere that there is a white majority, running a fine
country with a high standard of living and low crime, the Jew MUST get
into and destroy. This is but another case in point.

George Graves

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> > George Graves
>
> Maoris lived in New Zealand before whites.
>

> Caesar

Indians lived in North America before whites.

George Graves

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George Graves

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Mark Staloff wrote:
>
> George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : As I have said earlier, I don’t how how Zionists recruit their “soldiers”.
> : But what YOU are intimating is like an Italian-American saying : Gee, I’m
> : Sicilian by blood, but the Mafia has never tried to recruit me. That must
> : mean that there is no Mafia.” Sorry, that won’t do.
>
> Er, not quite. The “Jewish conspiracy” implies that it’s done on behalf
> of the Jewish people by the Jewish people. The mafia may be dominated by
> italians but it doesn’t have a specifially Italian goal, it mostly exists
> just to enrich its followers (and was since copied by Jews, Irish,
> Chinese, etc.)
>
> Mark

The goals of these individual “organizations” is not the point of this
comparison. The goal is to show that just because one is not privy to
an organization of and by one’s own people is not evidence that the
organization doesn’t exist. It is simply evidence that one has not been
asked to join.

George Graves

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Marty Kelley wrote:
>
> On Fri, 5 Jan 1996, George Graves wrote:
>
> > Mr Richard Ethan Latker wrote:
> > >
> >

>
> (By the way, are you familiar with the late goofball preacher, the
> Reverend Tony Alamo? He insisted, with every bit as much vehemence and
> evidence as you have, that the Master Conspiracy was actually run by the
> Vatican. His theory was that the Pope wrote the Protocols of the Elders
> of Zion, laying out the Vatican’s plans in detail but attributing them to
> the Jews, to hide the actual *Catholic* conspiracy for world domination.
> Have you considered the possibility that your “Jewish” friend is actually
> a Jesuit agent sent to throw you off the path of Truth and Righteousness?)
>
> ———————-
> Marty Kelley ([email protected])

With his name and looks I doubt it.

George Graves
>

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Orest Slepokura wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Orest Slepokura) wrote:
>
> > In article <30E472C[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Frank Weltner wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > The world would have probably forgotten about him [i.e. Adolf Hiter]
> > > by now if the Jews didn’t do a holocaust show on PBS, Discovery, TLC, or
> > > A&E at least once a week (or so it seems).
> > >
> > > George Graves
> >
> > __________________________________________
> > I wrote:
> >.
> (wasn’t it Rabbi Jakovits who called the Holocaust a “big business”?).
>
> In fact, that should’ve been the British Lord Chief Rabbi Sir Immanuel
> Jakobovits; here’s what he said concerning the Holocaust [The Jerusalem
> Post, Nov. 26, 1987]:
>
> “An entire industry, with handsome profits for writers, researchers,
> filmmakers, monument builders, museum planners, politiciens and even some
> rabbis and theologians were partners in this big business industry.”
>
> In other words, the Holocaust is big business, a growth industry.

Except that overexposure risks apathy. The “power’ in the holocaust as
a story is in its shock value. If you tell the story too much, people become
immune to its shock value and say: “Gimme that TV guide, ain’t there nothin’
else on but this Nazi-killin’-Jews shit? Christ, I’m tired o’ that crap. They
run something about it every week.”
The danger here, is that by pumping this stuff week in and week out, people
get to the point where they don’t care anymore. Its called overplaying one’s
hand, and the Jews have done it with this particular subject. I was
watching some newsfeeds on my satellite TV system a couple of months
ago, and some CNN reporter was interviewing some Israeli teenagers. When
asked about the holocaust, their answers were something like: Yeah, it was
awful, I guess, but it doesn’t have anything to do with us or our generation.
we don’t really care that much. I didn’t put quotes around the preceding,
because I am paraphrasing and compositing two sentences from several
interviews. irrespective of that, this was the general tenor of their
comments. So even Israeli kids, whose government sees the holocaust as
THE defining event in all of their history, have become apathetic to it
due to overexposure.

George Graves

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Marty Kelley wrote:
>
> On 6 Jan 1996, Charles R.L. Power wrote:
>
> > George Graves <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> > >Harry Katz wrote:
> >
> > Am I imagining things, or is it revisionists who are always too damned
> > stupid to edit messages to which they are replying? Don’t they ever learn
> > the elementary point of netiquette that it’s shit-brained to clog up the
> > newsgroup with long messages that are over 50% cite?
>
> I pointed the same thing out to Mr. Graves, and he replied, rather
> testily,
====================================================================
Sorry friend, I wasn’t being testy about my editing of posts, I was being
testy about being E-mailed on what should have been an NG matter. I don’t
like E-mail on these matters because it then becomes a private debate,
which, other than giving vent to each participant’s spleen, does nothing
for the NG.

George Graves
=====================================================================
that he re-posted EVERYTHING as a matter of “courtesy” so that
> newcomers tot he conversation would see everything in context. He
> apparently failed to consider that those already following a thread (the
> majority of readers, I’d assume) would have to wade through tons of dross
> to find his new contributions. He’s not quite as bad as Tom Moran, who
> re-posts entire FAQs with only a one-line comment, but he’s close.
>
> As for figuring out the context of a given thread: it’s fairly easy,
> especially since most posts (depending on one’s server) stay around for
> several days. And if something important has been missed, it’s OK to ask
> for a re-post.
>
> To add to what I said before, even if we can’t all just get along, could we
> at least PLEASE use our goddamn text editors?
>
> ———————-
> Marty Kelley ([email protected])
>
> “I loathe people who keep dogs. They are cowards who haven’t
> got the guts to bite people themselves” –August Strindberg

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Frank Weltner wrote:
>
> Give the Jews a break. They have suffered a great deal, and they were very
> good people.
>
Frank, why don’t you ask yourself the REAL question. WHY have they suffered
a great deal? Could it be that they have done something to cause this suffering
to be visited upon them?

George Graves

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> >

> > > > George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > So right, so right! Both of you are absolutely correct. To Robby and Raggedy,
> > though, you’ll have to add ‘evil Beavis’ the twit from Sweden who has
> > a black girlfriend whom he says he is going to marry.
> >
> > George Graves

evil Beavis (eB) Wrote:

> Again, how exactly do you define me as a “liberal”. The labels being used in
> political discussions in this country today are extremely misused. Are you a
> liberal because you do not like racism and ethnocentrism??
==========================================================================
Yes. Multiculturalism is part and parcel of the liberal ethos.
==========================================================================
> Besides, what is wrong with marrying anyone – within or out of your race? It
> seems to me that if you find someone you like and are compatible with as far
> as ideas, goals etc. goes you marry them.
===========================================================================
Because your issue will be mongrels. By breeding with a black woman, irrespective
of her qualities as a human being, you are throwing your racial and cultural
heritage away. In essence, you are thumbing your nose at your ancestors. Honestly,
Stephan, are you telling me that there are so few young, single white women
where you are, that you have go outside of your own people to find a mate? I find
that difficult to believe.
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> Furthermore, I have never said that I like or dislike certain “minorities”
> (who is a minority obviously depends on what country you’re talking about). I
> merely like some people and dislike others – their color is not an issue I
> base this upon.
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Liking or disliking individuals is NOT the question here. I have met people of
all races that I have liked AS INDIVIDUALS. I have also met people of all races
who I did NOT like. But when one group shows that AS A GROUP, they are not able
to join the civilisation in which they live, even when that civilisation has bent
over backwards to accomodate them (as this country has with Affirmative Action
and reverse racism). When they show themselves as predators and criminals who
take from that civilisation FAR more than they put into it, then they have to be
dealt with and harshly!. Its like this: You buy a cat to keep the mouse population in
your house under control. This he does. But when your back is turned, he eats your
parakeet, scratches the baby, and bites the dog. The question then becomes: is it
worth putting up with a dead parakeet, a baby who now needs a tetnus shot, and a
dog who has been traumatized simply to get a few mice eradicated? Is the cat’s
contribution to the household worth his negative impact on the household? The
answer, of course, is no. Get rid if the cat, and buy mousetraps. The contention
of we, whom you call racists, is that blacks not only don’t pull their weight in
this society, but that they have a terribly negative impact on the community. We
not only have to support a large percentage of them, but they repay us by committing
crimes against us. Even the US government, which has institutionalized the concept
of helping blacks through its various programs says that if you factor black, Asian
and Hispanic crime out of the U.S. crime statistics, that the U.S.A would have the
lowest crime rate in THE WORLD! I would like to see this be the case. I remember
when it was.
============================================================================
> I have no problems with multi-culturalism whatsoever, no matter how you keep
> dreaming of racially pure nations I believe that it is an unattainable utopia
> you are obsessed with. Multi-culturalism has always existed and I think that
> isolationism rather than integration will be the downfall of any
> civilization. Civilizations might prosper for a limited time without it, but
> in order to survive, it has to adapt and incorporate.
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That’s not the point. Mexicans are fine people, in Mexico. Chinese are fine people
in China. Black Africans might be fine people in their native Africa living a
traditional lifestyle. They just don’t belong here or in Europe. These are white
civilisations. I say white not in the color context, but in the social and cultural
context. I have nothing against Japan’s success, for instance, but having been there,
I can tell you that I would not want to, nor could I, live with their culture. They have
a system that works, but it wouldn’t work for me, and I doubt that it would work
for you. I don’t go to Japan, or Singapore, or Hong-Kong and try to start a new
life, why should they come here? I guarantee you that it is getting to the point
where they are not going to find a better life in this country than they did in
their own, because the burden that multicultural immigration is putting on our
infrastructure is pulling it down. Soon, Americans, who once had the highest
standard of living in the world, will be a third-world country where no one has
any quality of life. My ancestors built this country. They carved this nation out
of nothing, so that we Americans could live better with each successive
generation. Why would I want to dissipate this by letting people who don’t
share our sense of identity, don’t share our goals, or our culture, drag us down
to the level of the place from whence they came?
We have a responsibility to incoporate the black into this society, because he
is a multi-generational American. But if it proves not possible, where does that
responsibility end, Stefan? How long do you beat your head against the wall trying
to solve an unsolvable problem or untie the Gordian Knot before you call it a day?
These are the real questions here Stefan. Questions that need to be addressed
and soon.
====================================================================================
> I know you like to bring up Japan as a society that supposedly thrives on
> isloationism and racial purity, but this is abviously not true. I am sure you
> are aware of the fact that it was incorporation of western ideas that led to
> the rise of a might Japan prior to WWII as well as incorporation of western
> and east Asian ideals and traditions that have made prosperity and
> development possible in places such as Japan and Singapore today. People have
> lots to learn from each other and I seriously doubt that a few paranoid
> isolationists like the ones in the U.S. – Buchanan etc. – will change that.
> The world is shrinking whether you like it or not.
================================================================================
Stefan you are confusing the concept of learning what an alien culture has to offer, and
incorporating it into your own culture with mixing with that culture. They are not the
same. Japan took from the west what it needed to build a modern infrastructure and a
modern national economy. They did not need to move large populations around or get into
bed with westerners to accomplish that task. Same with Singapore and Hong-Kong and
all of the other Pacific-Rim “minidragons”. Some of these, such as Singapore, are outwardly
multicultural. But in Singapore’s case it isn’t really. The Chinese are at the top of the
hierarchy, and the rest form a cast system with the Indians at the bottom. Is that what
you advocate for this culture? Multiculturalism has been tried many times over the
course of human history, and it has never worked in the past. What makes you think
that it will work now or in the future?

George Graves
=============================================================================
>
> eB
>

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Hilary Ostrov wrote:
>
> In <30ED159[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >[…] Since the Jews are in favor of curbing anyone’s
> >ideas which differ from their agenda, they think that everybody believes
> >this way. It never occurs to Jews that there are people who take liberty
> >of thought seriously eneough to have principles about it, since they have
> >no such principles.
>
> And the evidence which would substantiate these serious deficiencies
> in all Jewish people is no doubt included in Mr. Graves’ non-existent
> post (promised by January 1/96) of his “at least a dozen examples” of
> “circumstantial evidence” of “the Jewish conspiracy”.

You jews and Jew-dupes keep refering to the evidence that I said I
would post by 1/1/96. I posted that evidence the week of Dec. 24.
Many have seen it and commented on it. If you missed it, that’s
your problem, but don’t keep telling others on this NG that I didn’t
keep my word, because I did. Just another lie to add to the fabric
of falsehood and deceit which holds together the Zionist Conspiracy.

George Graves

From [email protected] Sun Jan 7 16:43:53 PST 1996
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Michael Paterson wrote:
>
> I notice the term Aryan being bandied about in this sewage group, so I
> thought I might bring aid and comfort to those who claim to be of
> Aryan descent.
>
> The Aryan people comprise everyone who speaks an Aryan language, more
> commonly called Indo-European today. As our “racial theorists” will
> know of course, Arya is a Sanskrit word meaning prince and was applied
> to the people of Iran, itself a corruption of the word Aryan.

>>Many lines of lunatic, probably drunken, ravings deleted for brevity.<< > There now, a good Gaelic cursing. I feel much better. Now we’ll wait
> and see if there really is a God and whether he’ll act on my
> suggestions. Is there anything else I can teach you about how to hate
> properly?
>
> Bad luck to you all!
>
> Micheil Rob Mac Phadruig
> druidh/duine-uasail

OK, you don’t like us. Fine, what’s your point? If you don’t like it here on
this NG, and if we are so unimportant, why waste your breath. Its easy.
IF YOU DON”T LIKE WHAT”S GOING ON HERE, DON”T COME HERE!!!!!

and BTW, you’re a twat.

George Graves

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Chaz wrote:
>
> Well said Lucien!
>
> I would like to say however that myths contain an underlying element of
> truth. The concept of racial inferiorty does not meet that criteria, it
> being falsehood.

That’s an assumption. Prove that race as a criteria for
judging superiority of inferiority is a falsehood, please.

George Graves

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[email protected] wrote:
>
> > [email protected] ( ) says:
> >
> > >While George Graves and Mr. Kolding continue to defend hate-mongers and the
> > >vibrant democracy that is the USA, Canadians and other free thinkers around
> > >the world will continue to hope that America will not produce any more
> > >Metzgers, Macvays, and racist military types who murder Blacks.
> >
> > No-one ever “murders” niggers, pinhead. One *exterminates* them. Cause
> > they’re dirt. Dirt that destroy civilized society, behave like wild animals
> > and breed all over the place.

You twit! Mr. Kolding and I are NOT defending hate mongers. This is the
reason why you are arguing this point. You don’t understand the difference
between having freedom as a RIGHT and having freedom as a PRIVILEGE.
Hate mongers are simply an EXAMPLE of how the two points of view or
doctrines differ in this respect. When freedom of speech is a RIGHT,
guaranteed by constitution, hate mongers (and EVERYBODY ELSE) can not,
under the law of the land, be enjoined from speaking /writing their opinions.
Also, that RIGHT can not be revoked by the government at that government’s
whim for expediency based upon topical mores which might change again
in another generation. Remember, before the 1960’s, views which, today,
are considered racist, were the rule rather than the exception. Only in
the last 25 or so years have people thought that saying something demeaning
against a non-white was a “hate-crime”. In countries where the government
does not guarantee the individual the RIGHT of freedom of speech, that
freedom (and others) can be changed to fit the popular fashion. The
Founding Fathers knew this, and made sure that the US government didn’t
work that way.
In Canada, apparently, freedom of speech is a privilege, given (and taken away)
at the government’s whim. What might be legal and proper to say today, might
not be legal and proper tomorrow. Thiss is the crux of the debate. As to which
you prefer, that’s your own business. Just make sure that your ideas and
feelings ALWAYS fall into the mainstream of popular and government thinking,
or you might just find yourself on the wrong side of that privilege.

George Graves

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Wandering wrote:
>
> Les Griswold ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : One of the many things that’s strange about liberals is that they tell us
> : to get out and see the real world, and then when we DO, and report what
> : we’ve encountered, some priss will come along and sneer that empirical
> : observations don’t count, or that our sample size was insufficient to draw
> : proper (ie, non-racist) conclusions, or some other such twaddle.
>
> Les, Les… there you go again, mistaking your delusions for the “real
> world”. (Oops, there goes liberal me, sneering at you again — actually, I’m
> more of a patriopsychotic anarchomaterialist, but since you seem to define
> “liberal” as anyone who doesn’t agree with you, then I’m a liberal.)
>
> I can’t say as I can exactly trust your definition of twaddle, however; let
> me lay it out for you:
>
> The way logic works for the rest of us is that we look at evidence and draw
> conclusions from it. You and the rest of your fellow travellers seem to have
> it backwards; you start with a conclusion (“Jews/blacks/non-‘whites’ are
> hateful, vile, omnipresent, smug, et blarf”) and then look for evidence to
> support it. Ontologically putting the cart before the horse, it’s no wonder
> that you “think” the way you do.
>
> Actually, the plain fact is that we’re laughing at you, boy. We’re laughing,
> and pointing, and wondering when you’ll wake up to the fact that you’re
> blaming all of your shortcomings on people who couldn’t give a rat’s kidneys
> about your so-called philosophy. You’re a biitter old man of whatever your
> age is, and it’s sad — really sad to see you and the rest of you poor
> misunderstood conspiracists wither and die in the self-consuming rage of
> your own hatred. Too bad… it really didn’t have to be this way… if only
> someone could have loved you, maybe you’d be happier… Oh, well.

It would be really interesting to see what people like this would say if
it turned out that in spite of our “faulty” scientific methodology, we turned
out to be right. But of course, the multiculturalists here would never stop
to consider that possibility. They have made up their minds in the other
direction. They say that they have come to their conclusions based upon
correct methodology. Well, all I can say is paleantologists used correct
scientific methodology when they came up with the theory that dinosaurs
were cold-blooded (or rather exothermic) too. But they were wrong because
in spite of the fact that they were using the best scientific methodology
to form their conclusions, they overlooked great amounts of evidence to
the contrary because THEY DIDN”T THINK THE INFORMATION WAS IMPORTANT!
Moral? Using correct methodology to form opinions only works when you
use ALL OF THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE as part of your hypothesis.
Methodology is only a part of the equation. Many learned men have arrived
at very faulty conclusions using very proper scientific methods.

George Graves

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_LadyAngel_ wrote:
>
> On Sun, 7 Jan 1996, Les Griswold wrote:
>
> > George Graves ([email protected]) writes:

SNIP
> > > Moral? Using correct methodology to form opinions only works when you
> > > use ALL OF THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE as part of your hypothesis.
> > > Methodology is only a part of the equation. Many learned men have arrived
> > > at very faulty conclusions using very proper scientific methods.
> >
> > Yes, liberals seem to have an almost pathological fear of addressing
> > ANYTHING that they can’t out-shout. Mention, for example, higher negro
> > crime rates or lower IQs, and watch the excuses come pouring forth. Or
> > suggest that not all jews are friendly little guys, and watch the
> > name-calling erupt. But they can never provide any observations of
> > substance, mostly because they know that they are being intellectually
> > dishonest.
> >
> > Les
>
> the only person who is being dishonest, is you.. being that you don’t
> shit about whats going on outside your own little world, and thats sad,
> for someone who claims to know who the hell a nation is for, what
> principles lie behind it.
>
> ..from not only a liberal.. but a radical..
>
> irene

And, it seems, an idiot.

George Graves

From [email protected] Mon Jan 8 06:46:06 PST 1996
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Mark Staloff wrote:
>
> George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : The Israelis maintain that Israel is the homeland, the “promised land”,
> : if you will, for all Jews. I dare say that more than 90% of the population
> : of Israel is in the same boat as you: They had never been there, didn’t
> : speak Hebrew, Their homes were Poland, Austria, Romania, MInsk, New
> : Jersey, California. It didn’t stop them from “going home”.
>
> That’s nice for them. I don’t quibble with Israel’s existence. I just
> don’t like the idea of someone else thinking they have the right to
> compel *me* to live elsewhere when I was born here, same as you. I don’t
> say that you should go back to England, or whatever applies.
>
> Mark

I’ll make a deal with you. You go “back” to Israel, All of the Paki’s and
blacks in England go back to the Caribbean and India/Pakistan, and I’ll
GLADLY go back to England.

George Graves

From [email protected] Mon Jan 8 06:50:26 PST 1996
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Frank Weltner wrote:
>
> Give me Jews, but niggers none.

As the old Sinatra song goes: “You won’t have one without the other…”

George Graves

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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> In article <30EF1E4[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > your house under control. This he does. But when your back is turned, he
> eats your
> > parakeet, scratches the baby, and bites the dog. The question then
> becomes: is it
> > worth putting up with a dead parakeet, a baby who now needs a tetnus
> shot, and a
> > dog who has been traumatized simply to get a few mice eradicated? Is the cat’s
> > contribution to the household worth his negative impact on the household? The
> > answer, of course, is no. Get rid if the cat, and buy mousetraps. The
> contention
> > of we, whom you call racists, is that blacks not only don’t pull their
> weight in
> > this society, but that they have a terribly negative impact on the
> community. We
> > not only have to support a large percentage of them, but they repay us
> by committing
> > crimes against us.
>
> Poor analogy, Graves. In your philosophy, the answer to the problem of the
> cat in your house is not to deal with that one cat, but to round up all
> cats everywhere and send them back to Catland. Can you say “overkill”?
>
> > Even the US government, which has institutionalized the concept
> > of helping blacks through its various programs says that if you factor
> black, Asian
> > and Hispanic crime out of the U.S. crime statistics, that the U.S.A
> would have the
> > lowest crime rate in THE WORLD! I would like to see this be the case.
>
> I would like to see the US Government publication that makes this claim. I
> don’t for a minute think you’ll provide the citation, though; your love of
> “circumstantial” evidence is too great for you to pollute your arguments
> with facts.
====================================================================
Every year, the U.S. Department of Justice publishes its U.S. Crime Report
Statistics. They are broken down in all sorts of ways including by ethnic
group. It is an easy task to take the total numbers, subtract each group’s
contrbuton that total, and vew the results. Then all one needs to do is
compare ther resultant adjusted US crime statistic with those from other
countries which keep similar overall statistics. Is this to difficult for
you, Brown? You can obtain those statistics by writing to the the US
Government Printing Office, Washington DC. They will be glad to provide
the 1994 report (the ’95 edition isn’t out yet) for a nominal sum. In fact,
If my memory doesn’t fail me, someone else has posted those very stats here,
on this NG within the last 30 days, so it shouldn’t be necessary for you to
go to the trouble of writing to Washington.
=====================================================================
>
> Or did you see this in another Clive Cussler novel?
====================================================================
What’s wrong with a little recreational reading? If you read 1/10th the
number of books that I read in a year, you’d know that most novelists base
their plot backgrounds on reality. Everything I said about diamonds and
other gemstones can be verified in the Britannica. Just because I was first
made aware of the subject through a novel does not ivalidate it (except to
someone like you who probably hasn’t read a book, either fiction or non,
since your teacher last forced you to).
====================================================================
>
> > My ancestors built this country. They carved this nation out
> > of nothing, so that we Americans could live better with each successive
> > generation.
>
> The actual labor of that ‘carving’ was done largely by the very Chinese
> and blacks you despise, Graves. Do they count for any more than the mules
> and oxen in your view?
=====================================================================
Absolute, unmitigated BULLSHIT. Very few southerners owned black slaves.
The Chinese helped to build the Western Pacific section of the transcon., From
Sacramento CA to Promentary Point, Utah PERIOD!!! The rest of this country
was built by Irish, German, Scandinavian and English immigrants. Unless I have
missed something, these were WHITE. If your gonna lie to make a point, lie to
sombody who doesn’t know any better. This effort is an insult.
=====================================================================
>
> > We have a responsibility to incoporate the black into this society, because he
> > is a multi-generational American. But if it proves not possible, where
> does that
> > responsibility end, Stefan? How long do you beat your head against the
> wall trying
> > to solve an unsolvable problem or untie the Gordian Knot before you call
> it a day?
> > These are the real questions here Stefan.
>
> It would seem you’ve already answered that question to your own
> satisfaction, Graves. Ship ’em all back, whether or not they’re
> individually guilty of anything but having the wrong color skin, and their
> rights as human beings be damned. Isn’t that what you want, right now?
====================================================================
You got a better suggestion Nutzo? If so, let’s hear it. This ought to be a
dilly.

George Graves
====================================================================
>
> JGB

PS: Jesus, you assholes never learn.

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Mark Staloff wrote:
>
> George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : Does not Israel accept all Jews wishing to go “home”?
>
> It isn’t my home, in any case. I’ve never been there. I don’t speak
> Hebrew. Home is New Jersey. I was born in the United States, same as
> you (unless – are you Canadian?), just to different parents.
>
> Mark

The Israelis maintain that Israel is the homeland, the “promised land”,
if you will, for all Jews. I dare say that more than 90% of the population
of Israel is in the same boat as you: They had never been there, didn’t
speak Hebrew, Their homes were Poland, Austria, Romania, MInsk, New
Jersey, California. It didn’t stop them from “going home”.

George Graves

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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> Last Saturday, on a kid’s show called “Gargoyles”, there was an episode
> about this crippled old man (jewish, of course), who wanted to transfer
> his soul into the Golem. There was a flash-back to 1580 in Prague,
> showing the persecution that the jews were suffering, and why some rabbi
> created the Golem in the first place. What I found disturbing, though,
> was that the jews were all portrayed as White, while the Czechs were all
> drawn as Mongoloid little creeps.
>
> Les

Well, of course Les, what do you expect? The Jew producers of that program
have a mandate to inculcate the children. Children are easily influenced by
simple models that they can understand. By making the goyische Czechs look
like mongoloid idiots, the point is made to the kids: Jew = GOOD, goy = BAD.
Its so simple and so obvious you have to wonder how the likes of people
such as Weltner, Brown, eB, and Crazy Jeannie can be taken in by it.

George Graves

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Aria wrote:
>
> >
> > First of all, NO i’m not here to make a point.
>
> (a very coherent and sensible argument deleted for the sake of simplicity)
>
> >
> > George Graves
>
> thank you.
>
> that is all that i really wished to know, actually.
>
> and i do appreciate that you didn’t attack me personally in your response.
>
> with regards to your commentary upon the lack of social movements, i
> must confess that i am somewhat concerned that you seem to have
> conveniently discarded the fact that hundreds of thousands of young black
> males–however many there were in truth does not matter–did march upon
> Washington last year. regardless of what your personal feelings might be
> torwards this race, it must be said that this was a definite attempt at
> getting an otherwise unmotivated group of people to take steps in the
> right direction.
>
> as you yourself said “irrespective of how misguided that movement may
> have been”, a movement of sorts did occur; one that the organizers hope to
> repeat next year. i won’t be there (i have nothing to “atone” for), but i
> do applaud those who make any effort whatsoever to better themselves
> through peaceful means.
>
> agreed then: “black” people do have a long way to go before they can
> truly claim to be a boon to American society. however, as the child of a
> black woman who served over sixteen years in the United States military,
> all i ask is that, in your rhetoric, you don’t burn down the whole forest
> in an effort to clear away a few rotted trees.
>
>
> aria
>
> p.s. also agreed: my generation is generally apathetic and unaware. it
> is a pity that, in our youth, we have been subjected to so much
> information overload–most of it trifling and pointless (the MTV
> generation is more accurate a title than Generation X), but i can only
> hope that, as we grow older and wiser, we’ll be able toone day assimilate
> these wondrously advanced technologies before they fall prey to shallow
> commercial prostitution.
>
> regardless; i know that i will.

Aria, I think that we are in complete agreement here. I would have
mentioned the march, but didn’t know the demographics. I thought
it was mostly older dudes.

Good luck to you, and for god’s sake, get out there and succeed! Make
liars out of all us racists. You do that, and I think you’ll find that we
would be among the first to slap you on the back and say, “Well Done!”

George Graves

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Mark Staloff wrote:
>
> George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : The goals of these individual “organizations” is not the point of this
> : comparison. The goal is to show that just because one is not privy to
> : an organization of and by one’s own people is not evidence that the
> : organization doesn’t exist. It is simply evidence that one has not been
> : asked to join.
>
> You know, I had a similar discussion with Les about a month ago. This
> isn’t going anywhere.
>
> I’ll concede a Jewish conspiracy could conceivably exist, just as I’ll
> concede that you could conceivably be Winona Ryder posting under an
> alias. In the meantime, I’ll offer you some advice. The more you repeat
> the story your Jewish Hollywood connection told you, the more gullible
> you look. It’s unfortunate, but true.
>
> Mark

Suit yourself

George Graves

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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>
> In article <30EEAB2[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Harry
> Katz) wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ken McVay OBC ([email protected]) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [The Nazis] cleaned out all the gold they could lay their
> > > > filthy hands on,
> > > >
> > > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > Les Griswold ([email protected]) fantasized:
> > > >
> > > > … that had formerly been in the hands of filthy
> > > > jewish usurers.
> > > >
> > > > I responded:
> > > >
> > > > For those non-Jews who think they can watch from the sidelines
> > > > and survive a neo-Nazi takeover by not making waves, consider
> > > > Mr. Griswold’s assertion above.
> >
> >
> > No, you’d rather “watch from the sidelines” and survive a Jewish takeover!
> > Remember, that “One World” and “World Government” that you keep hearing
> > about is a euphemism for “World Zionism”.
> >
> > George Graves
>
> Graves, the only reason anybody ever hears the phrases “One World” and
> “World Government” is because fruitcakes like you scream it at the top of
> their lungs. I surmise that this is a ploy to get attention. Much like a
> two-year-old’s tantrum. I wondr if the “solution” to a two-year-old’s
> temper tantrum would convince _you_ to stop screaming about bizarre
> conspiracy theories at the top of your lungs?
>
> Mark

Right! You just watch as the soverienty of the United States continues
to be absorbed by the United Nations. We already have placed our troops
under its aegis in all but name. Next summer, you’ll get to see U.N. troops
>from foreign nations, wearing their blue helmets (the same blue, I might
add as the Israeli Flag -Coincidence? I wonder), patrolling the streets of
Atlanta WITH MACHINE GUNS during the Summer Olympics there. Seems to
me that someone hasn’t screamed “WORLD GOVERNMENT” loudly ENOUGH.
And after America sees that really happen, I’ll bet it will be more than
just “fruitcakes” like me screaming about it too!

George Graves

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Ethan Stein wrote:
>
> George Graves <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >Subj: Re: JEWS SUE CHURCH
> >Date: Wed, Dec 20, 1995 11:17 PM EDT
> >From: [email protected]
> >X-From: [email protected] (Robert Alpert)
> >To:
>
> >>Shove it up your ass, goy. We Jews own you lock stock
> >>and barrel. You should have gassed us all when you had
> >>the chance. Far too late now. All you fools can do is
> >>impotently beat your chests. There is not a thing you
> >>can do to undermine the power of the Eternal Jew.
>
> >> Bob Alpert
> >> [email protected]
>
> >This was sent to a friend of mine.
>
> >If there was any doubt about a Jewish conspiracy before, There sure
> >shouldn’t be now!
>
> You must be kidding, George. First of all, no Jew who uses the word ‘goy’
> would use it that way. He might (if this were a real letter) say, ‘Shove
> it up your ass, you goyish .” The only time you’d see a sentence
> with the word ‘goy’ in it parsed the way you’ve shown would be in the writing
> of someone unfamiliar with how yiddish was used (or someone lampooning the
> silly yiddishisms that appear in nazi hate pamphlets and the like).
>
> Secondly, at our weekly meetings of the World Jewish Conspiracy (held
> down the block from my house, in the basement of the town municipal building)
> we never, ever use the term ‘Eternal Jew.’ Again, it is a term that generally turns up in anti-semitic literature.
>
> Nice try, pea-brain. Next time you try a joke like this, ask an actual Jew to
> help you with the wording.
>
> Ethan Stein

Alpert is a Jewish name.

George Graves

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Harry Katz wrote:
>
> Frank Weltner wrote:
>
> Jews have been criticized incessantly by Christians for
> killing Jesus.
>
> The Romans, however, killed hundreds of martyrs.
>
> Question: How come the Romans and Italians aren’t hated
> as Christian killers?
>
> Just wondering out loud.
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> George Graves <[email protected]> rationalizes:
>
> Good point, Frank. You should also keep in mind the fact that
> not only did the Romans kill many Christian Martyrs, but
> according to the New Testament, they were equally responsible
> with the Jews for killing Christ. Jews and Jewish apologists
> have used the old saw: “The world hates the Jews because they
> killed Christ” to explain anti-semitism for centuries. How come
> this hatred didn’t spill over to include the Romans?
>
> Perhaps because the Romans ruled the known European world at the time
> ansd no one dared to accuse them! Moreover, Christianity did not
> really take off until it was adopted by Roman rulers and made the
> state religion. Naturally, in adopting the religion, the Roman
> rulers made sure that the entire onus for the execution was placed
> squarely elsewhere.
>
> Well one reason might be because whether or not the Jews killed
> Christ or the Romans killed Christ is irrelevant to that
> particular argument.
>
> Given Mr. Graves’ ignorance in this subject area, and his penchant
> for Jew-bashing, it is no wonder that he arrives at this conclusion.
====================================================================
Katz, you old Zionist warrior, I know more ABOUT history, than you
even know there IS history!
====================================================================
>
> Nevertheless, it does not explain why I have been called a “Christ
> Killer” by people of Italian heritage.
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That’s easy, like most people, Italians don’t like Jews either. After all,
this is sure case of “familiarity breeds contempt”.
====================================================================
>
> Calling a Jew, “Christ Killer” is an act of anti-Semitism, but
> Mr. Graves dodges this fact by pretending that Italians are also
> potentially subject to this slur. He then proceeds to explain that
> since Italians are not actually subjected to this slur, it must be
> because it is irrelevant! On the contrary, the fact that Italians
> are not actually subjected to this slur proves that hatred of Jews is
> entirely irrational, and any excuse, true or untrue, fair or unfair,
> will suffice for a bigot.
====================================================================
EHHH! Thanks for playing Katzy! I’m a racist, not a bigot. Try to keep that
straight, OK?
====================================================================
>
> Such semantic sleight-of-hand fools no one with the possible
> exception of Mr. Graves himself.
>
> —
> Harry Katz
>
> Reverence of God is the basis of morality.
> — The Wit and Wisdom of the Talmud, Madison C. Peters, ed.
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“It is not a sin to kill a goy. Even the best of them should not be allowed
to live.” -more wisdom of the Talmud, Some Loathsome Kike, ed.

George Graves

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Harry Katz wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> George Graves ([email protected]) engages in his favorite pastime,
> Jew-bashing:
>
> Frank, those “savages” get away with what they do, and are on
> welfare, and get light (or no) prison sentences…
>
> This is not the main point of the article, but every survey and study
> ever done shows that Afro-Americans receive disproportionately tough
> prison sentences.
>
> …PRECEISLY because the Jew is their advocate.
>
> Just one more slander against Jews that Mr. Graves will never be able
> to substantiate. But he has never let the facts interfere with his
> favorite pastime of Jew-bashing before!
>
> When I was a college student, fighting for civil rights (yeah,
> I know. I’m not too proud of it either), we would go down to
> Mississippi and Alabama to “march” etc.
>
> It looks like Mr. Graves has no independent political convictions of
> his own, but blows in the wind. Back when radical civil rights was
> in vogue, he was marching right along. Now that reactionary racism
> is in style, he changes his convictions along with his hairstyle.
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Once again, Mr. Katz uses his extraordinary powers of deduction to ferret
out the “truth” and comes up…..WRONG AGAIN!. You Jews had me when I was
a kid, That much is true. But I pulled back from the abyss at an early age
and wised-up. I might have been a Jew brainwashed liberal college kid at
18, but by twenty, I had recovered (and BTW, radical civil rights was still
in vogue at that time, but not with me).
You ADMIT that reactionary racism is “in style”? Never thought I’d hear
a Jew say that! Do your handlers know that you have committed this –
faux pas? Tsk, tsk, tsk Mr. Katz. I’ll bet you get twenty lashes with a
stiff carp for that one!
====================================================================
>
> The marchers might have been dewey-eyed liberal college kids
> (just doin’ what monkeys do), but the instigators were
> ALL 35 year old+ JEWS (at least all of them that I saw were).
>
> And Mr. Graves can tell a Jew just by looking! This is the kind of
> circumstantial evidence that Mr. Graves takes seriously: vague
> impressions. He never did bother to identify all of the leaders of
> the movement and exactly how many of them were Jewish because that
> would bypass his prejudice and might not yield the result he craves.
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Yeah, I can. I could look at a picture of you, for instance, and without even
knowing who it was, my reaction would be: “Oy Vey, Vat a Jew!”
====================================================================
>
> Ever notice that a large majority of TV sitcoms have black
> casts, as if the blacks constituted a major portion of the
> U.S. population?
>
> No, but I did notice that Mr. Graves makes the most outrageous
> assertions without a single, solitary shred of evidence. I bet he
> cannot tell us how many sitcoms there are on television this season,
> much less how many are devoted to Blacks! (Not to mention that the
> Afro-American community has complained many times that these shows in
> no way reflect the reality of their lives.)
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I don’t even care, Katz. Were it but ONE, it would be one too many. I’m not
running a school for anti-Jews here, or compiling an encyclopedia. These
are my opinions, based on years of study and observation. I don’t give a rat’s
ass for quoting the kind of ‘chapter and verse’ bibliography for which you
and your trained lackeys are always asking. (why bother, none of you would
check ’em out anyway.) Its just mental masturbation. I could say anything.
Like: “American Network TV Schedule, 1995-1996: A Complete Listing by
Show With Key Personnel” Published by A. H. Nielsen and Company, New York.
You schmucks would never know the difference. But that would be lying
====================================================================
>
> Check out the names of the producers and writers of these
> shows: Saul Turttletaub, Norman Lear, Murray Shapiro,
> Leon Abrhamovitz etc., etc.
>
> Does Mr. Graves expect us to believe that these shows are not on the
> air because they make money? That Jewish producers are going broke
> promoting Black sitcoms out of principle? Wasn’t “The Cosby Show”
> rated number one among all audiences for many years?
====================================================================
Yeah, and they could make EVEN more money with WHITE sitcoms. Simple
demographics would show that there are more TV watching white families
than there are black, just by sheer numbers alone. But that doesn’t advance
the agenda does it Katz?
====================================================================
>
> Not to mention that Mr. Graves is not about to list the names of all
> television sitcom producers who have created Black sitcoms so we can
> have some perspective. No, he will only list these four Jewish
> producers and ignore the dozens of others who are not Jewish.
>
> —
> Harry Katz
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Katzy, those names are available to ANYBODY with a TV who cares enough to
watch the wretched shows (they aren’t funny. That’s AN OPINION and a fact).
I mentioned a couple, but why waste the space to mention ’em all. The point
is made.

(ever get the idea that I don’t take Katz and his backpedeling very seriously?
He’s like a plasterer trying to cover a crack in the ceiling that just keeps
going, and going, and going……….)

George Graves
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>
> Even he who lives on charity should practice benevolence.
> — The Wit and Wisdom of the Talmud, Madison C. Peters, ed.

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Richard Marquez wrote:
>
> George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
> : I wouldn’t be in favor of either of those two alternatives. I would favor
> : sending them all back to their country of blood. Hispanics back to Central
> : America, Negroes back to Africa, Asians back to Asia.
>
> Europeans (“Whites”?) back to Europe…
>
> : Amarinds could stay, anyone with a European, non-Jewish background
> : could stay.
>
> Why? Aren’t European countries their countries of blood?
>
> – Grego
>
> (And if someone answers this with “Us Whites built this country”, please
> explain how that should make a bit of difference…if you truely feel
> this way, why not advocate kicking out the non-productive members of
> society (white, black, brown, whatever)).

OK kick out all non-whites and all non-productive whites. Feel better?

George Graves

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Michael Paterson wrote:
>
> >From: George Graves <[email protected]>
> >Subject: Evidence of the Zionist Conspiracy Part 1 (second post attemp)
> >Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 19:12:53 +0000
>
> >85% of all major American newspapers are owned and/or edited, and
> >controlled by Jews.
>
> >Examples:
>
> >New York Times – Owner/Publisher: Arthur Ochs Sulzberger
>
> >LA Times – Publisher: David Laventhol
>
> >Atlanta Constituition – Publisher: Arnold Rosenfeld
>
> >Detroit Free Press – Publisher: Neil Shine
>
> >Washington Post – Owner/Publisher: Katherine Meyer Graham
>
> >There are many more.
>
> >The Entire Communist movement was engineered and carried out
> >by Jews. Karl Marx who ‘invented’ Communism was not only a Jew,
> >but a friend and confidant of Theodore Herzl, author of the Protocols.
> >Lenin, whose real name was Ulanov was a geschmott Jew (Geshmott
> >is a Jewish term for one who changes his or her name to avoid being
> >recognized as a Jew). Lenin’s father, whose real name was Olavin
> >changed it to Ulanov to avoid the Czars’ pogroms. Leon Trotsky, one
> >of the main instigators of the 1917 Russian Revolution, and Lenin’s
> >right-hand man was born Leon Bronstein. The Jewish European banker
> >Arthur Rothschild helped to finance the revolution as did the Americans
> >Fels (of soap fame) and Guggenhiem (co-founder of Macy’s department
> >store). J. P. Morgan, also a Jew, contributed millions to the Communist
> >Revolution in Russia.
>
> >The American, and thus the world economy is controlled by the Federal
> >Reserve Bank. The head of this organization, the man who tightens and
> >loosens the purse strings of the world’s economy is the Jew Alan
> >Greenspan. The Secretary of the United States Treasury is a Jew named
> >Robert Rubin.
> >The Chase Manhatten Bank, one of the nation’s largest is run by S.C.
> >Bernstein Inc. The Bank of America is contolled by Richard M. Rosenberg
>
> >This is the root of modern so-called liberalism. The NEA is rife with
> >Jews. They set curriculi based upon the above priciples. 90% of American
> >schoolbooks are published by the firm of Harcourt Brace and Jovanovich.
>
> Harcourt Brace & Jovanovich don’t sound like Jewish names to me.
> Comments, anyone?
>
> >They are all designed to inculcate liberal ideas into the youth of
> >America.
>
> As opposed to Nazism, I presume?
>
> >We have already seen how the newspapers are owned and/or controlled by the
> >Jews, but television is the organ by which most people get “informed”
> >today. Magazines are also a favorite form of “information”
>
> >NBC – President: Brandon Tartikoff
>
> >CBS – President: Laurence A. Tisch
>
> >ABC – President: Steve Ross
>
> Ross – Good Scottish name – or is he “geschmott” too?
>
> >Time/Warner – President: Andrew Kaplan
>
> >Time/Life – President: Gerald Levin
> >Execitive vice president: Bertram Wasserman
>
> >Gannett Publications – President: Allen Neuharth
> >And they have too. American popular music, once the joy of the world, has
> >been turned into an abomination which teaches the young to take narcotics,
> >to rape, to ignore laws. The Jewish-Hollywood connection is an old story.
> >In the guise of entertainment, the Jew inculcates all with his ideas and
> >soon , just as the Protocols predict, these abominations become part of
> >the collective culture. Ever notice that on every documentary or news show
> >where an ‘expert’ has been brought in to expound upon the topic of the
> >day, that expert is invariably, a Jew?
>
> Well, I don’t know George; this seems like pretty persuasive evidence.
> I certainly get the impression that Jewish people must be lot smarter
> than I thought if they’ve managed to cream off all the best stuff like
> this. They must be hard, intelligent workers to have gotten so far. I
> was especially interested to see how all those capitalist Jews helped
> finance a revolution that was dedicated to their destruction – they
> must have been really stupid. Makes you wonder how they became
> multi-millionaires in the first place, doesn’t it?
>
> I happen to read Russian, George and not so long ago I was browsing
> the Russian Internet looking for KGB documents – we’re still looking
> for “moles”, George, you know, people planted here by the Commies
> who’ve been underground ever since, and Western citizens who became
> Russian agents and therefore traitors, because we still want to put
> them away, see? We’re getting a lot of cooperation from the new
> regime, so we’re making the most of it while it lasts. They’re still
> a bit queasy about turning in their own guys over here, but we’re
> making a lot of progress on the traitor front. J. Edgar would shit
> gold bars if he was still with us!
>
> Anyway, I found a document about the Protocols of Zion a few weeks ago
> that was so interesting I noted down a few of the main points, and
> I’ve done a quick little translation for you. (I should explain, the
> Russians won’t let us download stuff, they have it on file and you
> can’t even capture it with Paint Shop Pro – I guess I shouldn’t
> mention stuff like that.)
>
> Two main suspects as author:
>
> 1. Ilya Tsion, elderly political journalist living in France in 1903
> (when the Protocols were first published). Extreme reactionary… some
> of the views were very close to his own.
>
> Motivation:
>
> 1. To discredit political opponents
> 2. To impress the Tsar with the danger of liberals.
>
> (The writer, who’s only identified by initials, doesn’t buy Tsion
> though…)
>
> 2. Pyotr Ivanovich Rachkovsky, head of Tsarist secret service abroad.
> Author of several anti-Semitic tracts; believed in existence of a
> world-wide Jewish conspiracy, particularly directed at Russia.
>
> Motivation:
>
> 1. Had many enemies, some passages believed to be oblique references
> to them, to get them in trouble. One, a Jewish Russian official in
> Paris was named by him: Effron, no first name or patronymic given.
> (The only reason I know he’s Jewish is because the writer says he is.)
>
> Rachkovsky’s HQ in Paris for 18 years until recalled in 1902…
>
> Official sent to wind up the Paris office after the 1917 revolution,
> reports one of Rachkovsky’s aides admitted the Protocols forged in
> Paris by order of Rachkovsky.
>
> No mention of this Herzl chap at all, George. Looks like you’ve been
> giving the wrong man the credit. It seems the Protocols caused a
> worldwide sensation; typical Russian piece of “disinformation” –
> they’re the best in the world at it.
>
> Don’t know why the Russians included this stuff to show us, George.
> They don’t normally do anything without a very good reason. Maybe
> they were just ratbagging us – that’s where you can’t be bothered to
> help some out-of-town visiting fireman, so you just give him the
> garbage files and let him root through until he gets fed up and quits
> bugging you.
>
> All this stuff was in among some documents about a proposal to have
> Jews identified as such on their internal passports – to move around
> Russia under the Commies you had to have your internal passport
> stamped, George and if you didn’t – off to Perm for 10 years strict
> regime – 1200 calories a day, hard labour and no nonsense.
>
> I hope I haven’t disappointed you George – better men than you have
> been duped by the Russians – for some reason your country seems to
> have produced huge numbers of traitors, as the Comms were too smart to
> spend billions on research; they just paid a few hundred bucks to
> guys working on secret projects and got all the data without putting
> in the time and trouble of doing the research. Clever people, hey?
>
> I’d sure like to see a list of Aryan Nation success stories George –
> is it true that Les has nearly paid off his own trailer!? – but you
> know, something more than that. Anyone got a car paid for? Anyone
> graduate from high school? Anyone NOT working as a janitor somewhere?
> We need those success stories, George, if we’re going to compete
> against those clever Jewish guys you were kind enough to let us know
> about.
>
> Anyway, I really enjoyed your posting George, you’ve given me a new
> respect for the Jews when I see how well they’ve done. I’ll look
> forward to your next posting and in the meantime, I’ll be posting the
> Griswold docs very shortly and I’ll keep you updated with anything
> else my colleagues dig up.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mike
>
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail

Thank you for a very interesting and (mostly) well conceived post. I have
come across the Pyotr Ivanovich Rachkovsky connection before, but I
tend to discount it. Ilya Tsion, on the other hand, is a name I know well.
He was a Jew (Tsion is another spelling for Zion like Tsar is another way
to spell Czar) and a member of the first “World Zionist Convention” held
in Basil Switzerland in 1892. He was, in point of fact, Herzl’s right-hand
man at that little gathering (Source: “Father Coughlin and the Zionists”
By Charles J. Tull, Syracuse University Press, 1962). He may have actually
been the scribe for the meeting (although I don’t know this as fact and Tull
doesn’t say what Tsion’s actual duties were). If he was, then it is only
natural for him to have been the actual “author” of the ‘Protocols’ (being
that they are resolutions of a group of people, attributing authorship to
him would be like saying the U.S. Senate scribe is the author of the
‘Congressional Record’). At any rate, he would have had a copy, and they
could have gotten away from him. There is no way of knowing.

I am not a memeber of the Arayan Nations organization, and can tell you
nothing about them. I post here to advance my arguments against
multiculturalism and the Jewish Conspiracy which supports it as well
as for my own amusement. I have a degree in Electronics Engineering,
and I run my own very successful technical marketing service. Anything
else about me that you would like to know?

George Graves

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Mark Zajac wrote:
>
> [ Article crossposted from soc.culture.canada,can.general,can.politics,alt.politics.immigration,ont.general,bc.general ]
> [ Author was Larry Olson ]
> [ Posted on Mon, 08 Jan 1996 10:10:36 GMT ]
>
> [email protected] (PKolding) wrote:
> >That is not the objection to immigration policies that serious
> >analysts make. The problem with modern day immigration policies is the
> >COST to a society’s institutions, not the economic status of the
> >immigrant population. It is far more expensive in strictly practical
> >terms to have immigrants that have no knowledge of the culture or the
> >language. It is almost prohibitive to have immigrants that not only do
> >not know the culture, but have to have their own culture adapted to by
> >the institutions of society.
>
> That is exactly the problem. It’s nice to see somebody condense it.
>
> >The answer to this conundrum is well-known: allow society time to
> >digest a new immigrant intake, rather than constantly “topping up” the
> >immigrant pool. This policy was abandoned in Canada in the Sixties, on
> >the fraudulent basis that the welfare state needed large government
> >revenues, and any deficiencies in government revenue could be
> >”imported” through constant immigration and the expansion of the
> >population.
>
> And the answer that works, as well.
>
> I think it’s revealing that postings such as this are looked at with
> alarm by the “fair, egalitarian people” of the left. Intelligent thought
> and common-sense are indeed the mortal enemy of the social left, and
> today’s so-called pro-immigration folks. Don’t ya love it :]

Of course, the BIG QUESTION, i.e. the one nobody ever thinks to ask, is
why would a thriving, homogenous society NEED immigration in this day
and age? One the one hand, you have people crying for “zero population
growth”, and on the other, you have people supporting uncontrolled
immigration. These are often the same folk you see (and hear) screaming
about the enviornment. Well, the only thing wrong with the enviornment,
is the impact that an excess of people have made upon it. It certainly
doesn’t make a lot of sense.

George Graves

From [email protected] Wed Jan 10 06:44:40 PST 1996
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Frank Weltner wrote:
>
> In article <30EE88F[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> :Frank Weltner wrote:
> :>
> :> In article <30E6B94[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> :> wrote:
> :>
> :> :Charles R.L. Power wrote:
> :> :>
> :> :> George Graves <[email protected]> writes:
> :> :>
> :> :> >The reason why diamonds are the most expensive gemstones is because the
> :> :> >diamond industry (headed by the aforementioned Oppenheimer family) has a
> :> :> >virtual monopoly on the world’s supply, and keeps them off the market to
> :> :> >keep prices artificially high. I understand that DeBeers has warehouses
> :> :> >filled with enough diamonds to last the world a thousand years, even if
> :> :> >not another diamond were ever taken from the earth. This is ONE Jewish
> :> :> >conspiracy that they don’t even try to hide. Its very well known,
> its just
> :> :> >that no one can do anything about it except play (and pay) along.
> :> :
> :> :George Graves
> :>
> :> Let me see. I am supposed to hate Jews because they cornered the market on
> :> diamonds, then stuck a hot poker up my ass to buy them at high prices?
> :> Well, I never bought a diamond in my life. However, I did buy gasoline all
> :> the time, and the arabs jacked the price of that sky high in the 1970’s.
> :> Does that mean that the arabs are really Jews, George?
> :
> :I have never seen such elementary conclusion jummping in my life as I
> :see on this NG. What is it about an opposing point of view tht makes the
> :opposition jump to conclusions about what they read? Frank, I was merely
> :reporting about some things I learned about the diamond industry. The
> :last sentence is aupposed to be a joke! (you can’t have a well known
> :conspiracy)
> :
> :George Graves
>
> Now, George, get a grip. Diamonds have been selling at disaster prices for
> the last 20 years. They have gone down 4-10 times their value in the
> 1970’s. Just how much “conspiracy” to hold up the prices do the Jews
> wield? I hope they are more successful in keeping the arabs from
> overrunning them in Israel, kid.

Frank, even at so-called “disaster prices”, diamonds still sell for orders
of magnitude more than they are worth. And it isn’t Jews, its DeBeers. The
fact that DeBeers is owned by a Jewish family is PROBABLY neither here nor
there.
If things like gemstones and precious metals are valued by their rarity,
then Sapphires, rubies and lapis lazuli would be many times more expensive
than diamonds, but they aren’t are they? So, to keep things in this
unnatural pricing structure, diamonds have to be kept scarce. In point of
fact, they aren’t very scarce, so its all artificial.

George Graves

From [email protected] Wed Jan 10 06:44:41 PST 1996
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Ahti Eric Rovainen wrote:
>
> Frank R Weltner
>
> 6936 Bruno
> St. Louis MO 63139
>
> Phone: (314) 644-3621
>
> If you’re in the 314 area code, have fun setting your modem to keep
> ringing this punk’s phone!

I don’t know who you are, but let me tell you this. You are one rotten
asshole!. There are a lot of people on this NG who disagree with each other
and who argue strongly for their point of view. But I don’t think ONE of
them would stoop to the depths to which you have descended. Nobody is
going to “have fun setting (their) modem to keep ringing this punk’s phone”
because most of them have too much personal integrity for that. I’m
afraid you have made no friends here with this ploy (unless I am very much
mistaken about the cast of characters assembled here). What a creep!

George Graves

From [email protected] Wed Jan 10 07:18:13 PST 1996
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Lawrence E. Larson wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Tony Sterrett) wrote:
> >
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Country Ron <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >[email protected] (Fresh816) ejaculates:
> > >>Ron,
> > >>
> > >>Is Country Ron Aryanese for “Dickhead”
> > >>
> > >>Just wondering…
> > >
> > >
> > >My my, our shining wit is really showing now Android. What IS yout
> > >fascination with the male reproductive organ anyway???
> >
> > If you had one you would know. Tell you what ask your
> > mother
> >
> > >
> > >The Rev. Country Ron
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Are you people talking about a serious issue such as mythical white supremacy?
I suppose not. All I see you doing is wasting cyberspace insulting each other in an
obviously impotent effort to revalidate yourselves. The issue is white supremacy,
how utterly ridiculous the whole idea is and when and if the human race can jettison
the idea once and for all.

First of all, “friend”, see that key on your keyboard marked either “return” or “enter”?
If you hit that about once every 80 characters or so, your text would wrap so that
others could read what you say (of course, if the above is any indication of the level
of enlightenment that you will bring to this discussion, don’t bother).

Second. Prove that white supremecy is a ridculous idea. No one else who has tried here
has been successful, lets give you a try (provided, of course that you learn to use your
“return key).

George Graves

From [email protected] Wed Jan 10 08:24:11 PST 1996
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Andy Walton wrote:
>
> In article <30E99CA[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> :Les, Walton NEVER says anything important to say on any subject, but
> :you have certainly hit upon a way to clear this NG of liberals. Just
> :ignore them! They’ll scream and hollar, and eventually, if we only
> :respond to each other, they’ll go away!
>
> Feel free to ignore me. I won’t lose any sleep. Y’all keep spewing as
> usual, I’ll keep answering.
>
> You may want to familiarize yourself with your killfile. It’ll make the
> process easier.
>
> :Now back to Walton. Do you know of any way we can delete him? (in
> :a nice way, of course). 🙂
>
> I thought you were going to ignore me. If I never say anything of
> importance, why all the effort to “delete me,” whatever that means?
>
> BTW, “deleting” me, by any reasonable definition, would require fraud,
> vandalism, or physical violence. If any of those tactics are threatened, I
> will deal with them appropriately.

Ah, ah, Mr. Walton. I said “in a nice way”. My killfile is a nice way, should I
opt to use it. You libs need to stop doing two things: 1) Kill the paranoia.
Nobody on this NG wants to physically harm any of you mainly because
none of you would be worth the trouble. 2) Stop taking things out of context.
This may be rampant liberal paranoia at work again here, but it looks to
me as if you libs take everthing as a threat. Of course, the fact that you
are all so paranoid shows that you are on the run, and that’s good, but don’t
take this stuff so seriously. After all, this is an internet NG. We are all
just Cyberpersons here. A. Walton. Who is that? John-Boy’s little brother?
I don’t know who you are (and vice-versa) or where you are. You’re just a
name atop a page of bankrupt liberal ideas to me. Certainly not a ‘real’ person
who might make someone mad enough to threaten them. Besides, I don’t take
any of this banter either personally, or seriously. I just enjoy the debate. You
should too. So, goodnight Les, goodnight evil, good night John-Boy, goodnight
Andy……….

George Graves

From [email protected] Wed Jan 10 13:58:57 PST 1996
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william c anderson wrote:
>
> Milton Kleim ([email protected]) wrote:
> : In a smoke-filled room, somewhere on Vancouver Island…
>
> : Ken Mcvay: “Damn that Kleim! He’s making me look like an asshole. What
> : are you guys gonna do?”
>
> This fills me with curiousity. Do the revisionazis, humiliated here
> daily and shown to be utter asses on a regular basis, really delude
> themselves that they’re WINNING this debate? Could anybody really
> be that clueless? Is there a precedent for this in the psychological
> literature?
>
> Bill

I don’t know what universe you think that you are living in Bill, but in this
one, we are most certainly winning “this debate”. I get private E-mail
>from “lurkers” all the time which tell me that this is so. They tell me how,
after initially being put-off by the ‘racist’ side, that they have been
gradually won over to our way of thinking by the fact that we make YOU
look like utter asses (or is that asses’ udders?) on a daily basis.

George Graves

From [email protected] Wed Jan 10 13:58:58 PST 1996
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Caesar wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>
> [email protected] “Josh Klein” writes:
>
> > George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
> >
> > > Next summer, you’ll get to see U.N. troops
> > > from foreign nations, wearing their blue helmets (the same blue, I might
> > > add as the Israeli Flag -Coincidence? I wonder)
> >
> > Not to mention, the same blue as on the Duke University banner! Hmm…
>
> Help! Help! Duke Univesity is in a conspiricy to take over
> the world 🙂
>
> >
> > (And Omigod! The same blue as the sky…)

No, the sky is a little darker blue.

George Graves

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Josh Klein wrote:
>
> George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> > I just said “I wonder……..” No conclusions here except that if foreign troops
> > came to my town and were walking around with automatic weapons on
> > US soil, the Constitution gives me the right to shoot the bastards,
> > irrespective of what ‘deals’ the traitor Clinton has made to the contrary.
>
> Not at all. And there is a long history of the United States Government
> concluding treaties that allow armed foreign troops to operate on
> U.S. soil. (Here’s a hint: have you ever heard of the name Lafayette?)
>
> —
> Josh Klein
> Amherst College

Bullshit! Layfayette was a “Friend of the Republic” and operated under the
aegis of General Washington, as did the Huegenots, which were paid
mercenaries. The UN troops are NOT under US command and have jurisdiction
over American civilians. I hope your not trying to tell me that you support
this outrage? Because, if you do, you are a traitor too.

George Graves

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evil Beavis wrote:
>
> Frank Weltner wrote:
> > If I had nice, well educated blacks brought into my neighborhood by the
> > federal government, I’d have very little problem with it. However, the
> > feds bring only the scum to settle here, despite the fact that, for thirty
> > years, this plan has not resulted in integration but only in the whites
> > getting the hell out and losing money and hating blacks with a passion.
> > And why not? Don’t you think the dying Indians hated the Spanish for
> > bringin war and disease into their midst?
> >
Some things edited for brevity
>
> No idiot, most people do not feel the way you do. You are deluded and
> consumed with hate because you cannot deal with your own emotional
> shortcomings…
>
> eB

Stefan, does the term “broken record” mean anything to you? As in
“you’re begining to sound like a…….” Wise up, the boys are laughing at
you.

George Graves

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Michael Paterson wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Racial Theorist) wrote:
>
> >eB, i’m doing all i can to get my hands on those levers soon. i
> >believe i might be able to straighten a few things out.
>
> >rc
>
> Do you actually have to be gay to join the Aryan Nation, or is it just
> the leadership? I’ll bet you and Georgie and Les have a wonderful
> time when you’re alone, dancing under the moonbeams, hanging onto each
> other’s tiny tools!
>
> Excuse for a few moments while I stop to weep with laughter at what a
> weird bunch of hang-ups you all have.
>
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail

Get help before your delusions run away with you completely. I know
the names of some good GENTILE Psychiatrists.

George Graves

From [email protected] Wed Jan 10 14:50:37 PST 1996
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Frank Weltner wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> (Mark Staloff) wrote:
>
> :George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
> :
> :: Does not Israel accept all Jews wishing to go “home”?
> :
> :It isn’t my home, in any case. I’ve never been there. I don’t speak
> :Hebrew. Home is New Jersey. I was born in the United States, same as
> :you (unless – are you Canadian?), just to different parents.
> :
> :Mark
>
> Mark, you are welcome in America. Your jewish ancestors have always worked
> hard and produced things for the culture. Don’t let George get you down.
> Atomic energy, mathematics, algebra, philosophy, these are GREAT
> contributions to society, evolution, and human growth. The Jews have
> blessed the whites throughout all of history.

Wow, Frank, You’re right! I don’t know what the world would have done
for the last 50 years without the atomic bomb, or atomic energy. Look
what we would have missed without that Jew-science: Hiroshima,
Nagasaki, MAD, the Arms Race, Three Mile Island, Cherynoble, nuclear
proliferation, atmospheric testing, fallout shelters, “duck and cover”.
Boy, I sure wouldn’t have wanted to miss that! Not to mention the
cultural contribution of Jews: prime-time network TV, quality
Hollywood movies (ala Spielberg), Tiny Tim, Pinky Lee, Soupy Sales,
Joey Bishop, Rossanne! Yeah boy. Bring on them Jews, can’t live without
’em.

George Graves

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Frank Weltner wrote:
>
> :Recently, near Redding California, an epidemic of “B strain” hepititus broke
> :out. The California health department reported that the epidemic came from
> :resivoir water which had been contaminated by south-east Asian immigrants
> :deficating and urinating in the resivoir.
> :
> :A couple of years ago, illegal Mexicans, were bringing cholera into the USA
> :with them. Now, there is a low-level cholera epidemic among Hispanic
> :populations in the American Southwest, that has started to bleed over
> :into the non-Hispanic population through contact in schools and other
> :public meeting places.
> :
> :As late as 1980, there was not ONE case of tuberculoses reported in the
> :United States. In 1981, The United States Department of Health, Education
> :and Welfare announced that tuberculosis was a thing of the past, another
> :disease to add to the growing lists of ailments that had been eradicated
> :from our shores. In1995, there were more than 2000 NEW cases of
> :tuberculosis reported (according to US DOHEW statistics) in New York
> :City alone. Brought in by immigrants from the far east, this mini epidemic
> :has quickly crossed into the general population.
> :
> :My question is this: Do we NEED this? Why does a country like the US, in
> :which the ideal population density was reached in 1945 (at 125 million),
> :and which now has upwards of 270 million, need more people from
> :anywhere?
> :
> :Who is responsible for this madness? And why have we, the American
> :People, allowed whoever is responsible for this travesty to get away
> :with it?
> :
> :Whatever happened to common sense? Didn’t anybody ever stop to think
> :that if you allow unbridled immigration from backward third-world
> :countries like those found in south-east Asia, the place where ALL
> :flu epidemics start, that these people would bring these diseases
> :with them?
> :
> :George Graves
>
> Disease is the best argument against world travel and world trade. The
> security of a country is breached most often NOT by war but by diseases
> brought in by invaders. Most soldiers die of disease in enemy territory,
> and they bring their own diseases with them. Disease is nature’s way of
> saying, “don’t intermingle people from different areas, or I will kill you
> all.”

Makes sense.

George Graves

From [email protected] Wed Jan 10 18:22:42 PST 1996
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eB Wrote:

> :Do you really think a moratorium is viable considering this country’s history
> :as a land of and for immigrants? I guess it could be done since even many
> :recent immigrants today thinks immigration needs to be more controlled. Still
> :though, I think it will be slowed down but never completely halted.
> :I myself think the whole business of border controls and immigration laws is
> :stupid. Let everyone compete and if you are talented enough you’ll get by
> :just fine. If Mexicans could freely cross the border for example, they would
> :soon figure out that being unemployed and shot at by gangs in East LA is not
> :much better than being poor in Nogales or Guadalajara…
> :
> :eB

Stefan, you don’t get it. There are 270+ million people in this country now.
Most experts agree that America was at her peak during and directly after
WWII with a population of 125 – 150 million (post war baby-boom, you know).
Most of the immigrants into the U.S.A. are concentrated on the coasts, east and
west. Today, on the West Coast, Rush Hour lasts from 5:00 AM to
10:00 AM, and 2:30 PM to 8:00 PM. during those hours, the streets, roads
and highways are so crowded that no one can go anywhere. The infrastructure
is so strained that one has to que-up for almost everything. You can’t take
a sunday drive anymore, too much traffic. Restuarants are always crowded,
most of the time you can’t get in. Quality of life? what’s that?
estimates are that at current immigration rates, the population of the US
will double in the next 20 years. Again with most of the concentration on
the two coasts. Now, given that today’s infrastructure cannot handle what
we have today, what’s it going to do with double the load 20 years from now?
No housing, no food, and never ending rush hours. Our officials tell us that
upscaling the infrastructure to meet the demands of the next century is
unlikely, due to costs.
Why would any country want to purposely slit its own throat (unless a
hidden hand were slitting it for them)?

George Graves

From [email protected] Wed Jan 10 18:24:05 PST 1996
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[email protected] wrote:
>
> George Graves <[email protected]> writes:
> > evil Beavis wrote:
>>Snip<< > > eB shows that he doesn’t understand the the subject of this debate either.
> > Stefan, In the USA, freedom of speech is NOT a privilege, its a RIGHT. By
> > definition, Speedo’s views, irrespective of how heinously thay might be
> > regarded by some portion of the populace, cannot be “on the wrong side”.
> >
> > George Graves
> ncrccjc responds:
> No George as usual it’s you that doesn’t understand. Even in the United States
> you can’t advocate murder. It’s against the law!

Once again, the man with the ee cummins initials shows that he has
not a clue. Advocating murder is NOT against federal law. Committing
murder, on the other hand is against state and local laws. I can
advocate it all I want, and NO federal marshalls are going to break down
my door. We are talking Constitutionality here, and murder or the
advocation of murder is not covered (being left to the individual states).
In most states, if I call the police and say that Joe Bozotz has threatened
to kill me, THE LAW CAN DO NOTHING until he actually tries it. This might
seem wrong to someone who has not thought it out, but what if I was lying?
What if I conssidered Joe Bozotz my enemy because we don’t get along at work,
or he was my boss and fired me and I wanted to get back at him? If the police
acted upon every threat, it would tie-up law enforcement resources unnecessarilly,
and cheap revenge could be had for the taking. So what you
say is wrong, WRONG, WRONG!

George Graves

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George Graves

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Sara aka Perrrfect wrote:
>
> In article <30F19E3[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > I just said “I wonder……..” No conclusions here except that if
> foreign troops
> > came to my town and were walking around with automatic weapons on
> > US soil, the Constitution gives me the right to shoot the bastards,
> > irrespective of what ‘deals’ the traitor Clinton has made to the contrary.
> >
> > George Graves
>
> Calling the President of the United States a traitor is quite a claim.
> What is the basis of this claim?
>
> What are the facts that support this claim?
>
> And if, in fact, you honestly believe that Clinton is a traitor, what are
> you *doing* within the legal system about it?
>
> Or are you just blowing smoke out of your ass again?
>
> Sara

Its called a political opinion OK? Yeah, just watch the lyin’ little
weasle talk outa both sides of his mouth at once. And that whore
he’s married too, she is as big a lyer as he is. And THAT bitch is
going to jail. Just you watch!
As to him being a traitor, he agreed to this totally unconstitutional
UN “peacekeeping” thing for the Summer Olympics in Atlanta (US
Code, Volume XIV, Public Law 81), that makes him a traitor. Add
to that his totally illegal and unconstitutional retroactive tax law
of 1993 (Article 1, section 9 of the US Constitution. To wit: “No
Bill of Attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed.” This is a
President who has broken his oath to uphold the Constitution at least
twice. If that doesn’t make the slimy bastard a traitor, I don’t know
what does.
As to what I’m going to do about it. WE Americans are going to vote the
asshole out, that’s what were going to do about it!

As to blowing smoke. I’ll leave that to you. You Jews have made a religion
out of it.

George Graves

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Michael Paterson wrote:
>
> >> > George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
>

> >> only group able to put up any real opposition to World Zionism. The Jew
> >> is doing this through race mixing. “Mix all the populations of the world
> >> together, and the rest will take care of itself.” he would always say.
>
> Georgie, have you considered Prozac?
>
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail

No, Jerk. Have you ever considered rat poison?

George Graves

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Frank Weltner wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>, Laura Finsten
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> :George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
> :> [in reply to Frank Weltner]
> :>>
> :
> :>Frank, why don’t you ask yourself the REAL question. WHY have they suffered
> :>a great deal? Could it be that they have done something to cause this
> suffering
> :>to be visited upon them?
> :
> I do not see how not desiring to consume a sow’s ear sandwich with bacon
> fettucini and shrimp cocktails on a daily basis is grounds for gassing
> this tribe of innocent and worthy people to death at Auswitz
> Konzentrazionen Kampf. It is uncivilized and unworthy of the German people
> or any other people to have done this heinous crime to mankind. God bless
> the Jews.

Gassing? Who said anything about gassing? What the Nazis did is only of
historical interest to me (and its a subject which suffers, IMHO, from
overexposure). I am not a Nazi. I do not advocate so-called hate crimes
against anyone. I am for exposing the Jewish conspiracy so that it
collapses (conspiracies can’t stand up in the light of day, you know,
sorta like Dracula), and takes the concept of multiculturalism down with
it.

George Graves

From [email protected] Thu Jan 11 08:17:38 PST 1996
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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> George Graves ([email protected]) writes:
> > Frank Weltner wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> >> (Mark Staloff) wrote:
> >>
> >> :George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
> >> :
> >> :: Does not Israel accept all Jews wishing to go “home”?
> >> :
> >> :It isn’t my home, in any case. I’ve never been there. I don’t speak
> >> :Hebrew. Home is New Jersey. I was born in the United States, same as
> >> :you (unless – are you Canadian?), just to different parents.
> >> :
> >> :Mark
> >>
> >> Mark, you are welcome in America. Your jewish ancestors have always worked
> >> hard and produced things for the culture. Don’t let George get you down.
> >> Atomic energy, mathematics, algebra, philosophy, these are GREAT
> >> contributions to society, evolution, and human growth. The Jews have
> >> blessed the whites throughout all of history.
> >
> > Wow, Frank, You’re right! I don’t know what the world would have done
> > for the last 50 years without the atomic bomb, or atomic energy. Look
> > what we would have missed without that Jew-science: Hiroshima,
> > Nagasaki, MAD, the Arms Race, Three Mile Island, Cherynoble, nuclear
> > proliferation, atmospheric testing, fallout shelters, “duck and cover”.
> > Boy, I sure wouldn’t have wanted to miss that! Not to mention the
> > cultural contribution of Jews: prime-time network TV, quality
> > Hollywood movies (ala Spielberg), Tiny Tim, Pinky Lee, Soupy Sales,
> > Joey Bishop, Rossanne! Yeah boy. Bring on them Jews, can’t live without
> > ’em.
>
> George:
>
> Frank ALSO neglected to mention that OTHER magnificient jewish
> contribution: compound interest, which has led to yet ANOTHER peculiarly
> jewish institution: the irony of a jew owning a farm that he would NEVER
> work.
>
> Les

Also, don’t forget the beloved “income tax”. Yep! E. Mandel House 1916.

George Graves

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evil Beavis wrote:
>
> George Graves wrote:
> >
> > Richard Marquez wrote:
> > >
> > > George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
> > > : I wouldn’t be in favor of either of those two alternatives. I would favor
> > > : sending them all back to their country of blood. Hispanics back to Central
> > > : America, Negroes back to Africa, Asians back to Asia.
> > >
> > > Europeans (“Whites”?) back to Europe…
> > >
> > > : Amarinds could stay, anyone with a European, non-Jewish background
> > > : could stay.
> > >
> > > Why? Aren’t European countries their countries of blood?
> > >
> > > – Grego
> > >
> > > (And if someone answers this with “Us Whites built this country”, please
> > > explain how that should make a bit of difference…if you truely feel
> > > this way, why not advocate kicking out the non-productive members of
> > > society (white, black, brown, whatever)).
> >
> > OK kick out all non-whites and all non-productive whites. Feel better?
> >
> > George Graves
>
> I believe that should be non-productive non-whites and non-productive
> whites!
>
> eB

Sorry there, guest contestant, but that’s the incorrect answer. As your
punishment here on “Truth or Consequences”, you get to run bare assed
naked around in a circle while Craze’, Sara, and Timothy Brown whip you
with a wet noodle!

George Graves

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Anonymous wrote:
>
> Message Here
>
> It is our responsibility to
> unite in pity of this small-
> minded hate. May you someday
> find humanity in you hearts.
>
> ro
>
> -= The JACKASS W3 Anonymous Messaging Service =-
> -= http://www.io.com/~wlp/aryan-page/cloc/jackass.html =-

Jackass is right!

George Graves

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Michael Paterson wrote:
>
> Georgina Graves <[email protected]> laboriously printed:
>
> >Look asshole, I’ll talk to
> >you anyway I want to and you’ll take it and like it, UNDERSTAND JERK?
>
> Sorry Georgie, in my world I give the orders and people like you do
> what they’re told. Try to understand, Georgie; it’s called rule by
> your betters and so you just keep your little mouth closed and obey…
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You aren’t in your pitiful little world now dick-face, you’re on the internet.
If you want to play here, you’ll take anything I want throw at you.
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>
> >OOOOH, we do have a butch one here don’t we.
>
> OOOOH? Butch? Asshole? S’cuse me, Georgie – or is is it Georgina…?
> so it’s true what they’re saying about you in soc.medical.lobotomy,
> you ARE homosexual. I had read that the KKK and Aryan Nation were all
> sublimated failures with shrivelled penises and low sex drives, but
> this is really startling!
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Like most of your ilk, when you have nothing of substance to say, you resort
to high-school locker-room homosexual taunts. What’s the matter JERK,
not enough faggots where you are to satisfy your own latent homosexuality?
You gottta go look for ’em on the net?
====================================================================
>
> >There is NOTHING you can do about it except either flame me or go
> >away. I don’t really give much of a damn which it is!
>
> Not so, Georgie. I have plans for fun for both of us.
>
> >excoriate
>
> Well, MY! Guess who’s been reading the Reader’s Digest – Increase
> Your Word Power! Pity it doesn’t increase your brain power, Georgina,
>
> > liqour
>
> Where d’ya get your Master’s, Georgie? Attica?
>
> > ex-commandos
>
> I am not an ex-commando, Georgina. I’m just a nice happy family man
> making our world safe for little cowardly shits like you who think
> they’re just as good as real people because they can print out the
> word excoriate. Did you have the dictionary open when you did that
> Georgie? It’s a long, long word – your finger must have had a huge
> blister on it when you got to the end!
====================================================================
You’re NOTHING assshole! Absolutely NOTHING! BTW, did you like the lesson
in German I gave you yesterday?
====================================================================
=
>
> I’ll bet when you’re filling in your welfare form you always put your
> tongue out against the corner of your mouth, don’t you Georgie,
> because it makes it easier to concentrate, doesn’t it, and it helps
> you remember how to spell Graves.
>
> I’ll bet sometimes you write Garves or Gvares and the nice welfare
> lady has to take your crayon away and repair the damage, doesn’t she?
> When are you going to get a job Georgie and stop sponging off all
> those patient Jewish and black taxpayers?
>
> >(Watch, Next this asshole will threaten my life, Ha, Ha, Ha).
> >Georgina Graves
>
> No Georgina, I won’t do that, although I know you’d like it, because
> then you can swagger round in your off-white sheet and be a big shot
> at the Klan Kook-Out. You’re too important to me to damage. I need you
> around so I can have someone to look down on and despise.
>
> I just loved your Protocols of Zion story – imagine YOU – a Lord of
> the Caucasus! – getting conned by the Russians like that! Georgie,
> I’ve got a bridge for sale you might be interested in – BIG money from
> the tolls!
>
> As a matter of interest Georgie, what was the name of the surgeon who
> bungled your lobotomy? Come to think of it, who bungled your mother’s
> abortion? Still, just as well Georgie, or we wouldn’t have you here,
> would we?
>
> Say Hi! to your playmates, Georgie – we’re going to have lots of fun
> together, you and me. Just think of me as the nightmare you’ve always
> wanted. Next week I’ll publish your Social Security Number, your
> address and phone number and some other details lots of people want to
> get a hold of so we can all be even cosier and get to know each other
> better. First though I’ve promised Les we’re going to have some fun
> because he lives closer. Don’t worry though, Georgie, Uncle Mikey
> still loves you, so don’t be jealous. I’m too good to you, Georgie, I
> really am!
====================================================================
You aren’t gonna publish SHIT!
>
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail
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George Graves

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william c anderson wrote:
>
> George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >I don’t know what universe you think that you are living in Bill, but in this
> >one, we are most certainly winning “this debate”. I get private E-mail
> >from “lurkers” all the time which tell me that this is so. They tell me how,
> >after initially being put-off by the ‘racist’ side, that they have been
> >gradually won over to our way of thinking by the fact that we make YOU
> >look like utter asses (or is that asses’ udders?) on a daily basis.
>
> It’s disappointing to know there are people who lack both the intelligence
> to follow a rational argument and the courage to speak up about it–but
> I remain convinced they are greatly outnumbered. You have, perhaps,
> evidence to the contrary?
>
> Bill
Nothing concrete. But I talk to a lot of people from all walks of life. Most
agree with me about multiculturalism. I never open the JOOISH thing with
strangers, though, it takes too much explanation. Yes, I believe that this
is basically a conservative country, and that most of the so-called “silent
majority” are against multiculturalism. I sure get a lot of kudos from
lurkers on this NG. If I have converted 20 people to start looking at the
world, and drawing some conclusions based upon what they see, and what
I’ve said, then I’m certainly content. Like I said before, If each of them
convince 20 people and each of THEM convince 20 people, soon there will
be millions of people who have had the mask of brainwashing removed from
their minds, so that they can see the damage to this country being
condoned in the name of multiculturalism.

George Graves

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Gord McFee wrote:
>
> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] said:
>
> >
> >In <[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >[snip]
>
> >>You jews and Jew-dupes keep refering to the evidence that I said I
> >>would post by 1/1/96. I posted that evidence the week of Dec. 24.
> >>Many have seen it and commented on it. If you missed it, that’s
> >>your problem, but don’t keep telling others on this NG that I didn’t
> >>keep my word, because I did. Just another lie to add to the fabric
> >>of falsehood and deceit which holds together the Zionist Conspiracy.
>
> >Since courtesy and civility would appear to be foreign concepts to Mr.
> >Graves (along with knowledge of the vagaries of USENET), I would
> >appreciate it if one of those “many” who have seen this alleged “evidence”
> >post would be kind enough to repost and/or e-mail it to me.
>
> Hilary, to put it politely, Mr. Graves is full of it. What he posted was a
> rambling description of how the Protocols of the Elders of Zion revealed the
> genesis and depth of the Jewish world plot. As with most of Mr. Grave’s
> posts, I trashed it. Bottom line: he promised a lot and delivered nothing.
>
McFee, that’s the oldest ploy on the books. Just because YOU don’t agree
with me, you would say that what I posted was inadequate irrespective
of how comprehensive it was. As for it being “rambling”, nothing could
be further from the truth. It was very structureed. Protocol stated,
corroborating circumstantial evidence given. You might not like what
I posted (for whatever reason your personal agenda might dictate) but
to call it “rambling” is hardly fair or accurate.

George Graves

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Frank Weltner wrote:
>
> In article <30EFB2A[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> :Hilary Ostrov wrote:
> :>
> :> In <30ED159[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> :> wrote:
> :>
> :> >[…] Since the Jews are in favor of curbing anyone’s
> :> >ideas which differ from their agenda, they think that everybody believes
> :> >this way. It never occurs to Jews that there are people who take liberty
> :> >of thought seriously eneough to have principles about it, since they have
> :> >no such principles.
> :>
> :> And the evidence which would substantiate these serious deficiencies
> :> in all Jewish people is no doubt included in Mr. Graves’ non-existent
> :> post (promised by January 1/96) of his “at least a dozen examples” of
> :> “circumstantial evidence” of “the Jewish conspiracy”.
> :
> :You jews and Jew-dupes keep refering to the evidence that I said I
> :would post by 1/1/96. I posted that evidence the week of Dec. 24.
> :Many have seen it and commented on it. If you missed it, that’s
> :your problem, but don’t keep telling others on this NG that I didn’t
> :keep my word, because I did. Just another lie to add to the fabric
> :of falsehood and deceit which holds together the Zionist Conspiracy.
> :
> :George Graves
>
> I saw it, but just because you posted it doesn’t mean that its facts and
> interpretations are correct. Besides, Jews bake better than any other
> race.
>
> Umm, cookies, matzoh balls, pastrami, ham (ham?), bacon (bacon?), germans
> (germans?), palestinian al burno, etc., ….

Agreed (about the food too), but that’s not the argument here. These people
keep posting that I did not post what I promised. If you don’t want to
BELIEVE what I posted, so be it. But that’s another story.

George Graves

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Michael Paterson wrote:
>
> > George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I live in California
>
> No shit! A black guy once told me it was called the Granola State –
> take out the fruits and nuts and all you have left is the flakes.
> I figure you’re all three, Georgie, so I guess you’re a REAL
> Californian! Congratulations on your distinguished contribution to my
> impression of the USA!!
>
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail

On the other hand, jerk, go fuck yourself.

George Graves

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Harry Katz wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> George Graves ([email protected]) whines:
>
> Get help before your delusions run away with you completely.
> I know the names of some good GENTILE Psychiatrists.
>
> If they are so good how come they cannot help Mr. Graves?
>
> —
> Harry Katz

Help, I don’t need no friggen’ help. I was born with this nervous tick.

George Graves

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MORRISON KEITH MURRAY wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]> George Graves <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >Stefan, does the term “broken record” mean anything to you? As in
> >”you’re begining to sound like a…….” Wise up, the boys are laughing at
> >you.
>
> Well, the adults are laughing at you.
>
> —
> Keith Morrison
> [email protected]

How would you know? The adults won’t let you in the same room with them.

George Graves

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Fresh816 wrote:
>
> Don’t forget that the entire California delegation to the Senate is also
> Jewish. Maybe this is because THERE ARE A LOT OF JEWISH PEOPLE IN
> WISCONSIN AND IN CALIFORNIA. Los Angeles is one the largest Jewish cities
> in the world. Madison and Milwaukee boast of huge Jewish populations.
> Why should it surprise you that Jews get elected from these
> constituencies. What *I* don’t get, as a NY’er, is how we don’t have a
> Jew in the Senate from this state, which has more Jews than Tel-Aviv and
> Jerusalem combined.
>
> There’s no conspiracy. You’re just a Jew-baiting idiot.

OK Dickhead, I’ll play you’re silly game. Prove it to us!

George Graves

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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>
> In article <30F432D[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Sara aka Perrrfect wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <30F19E3[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I just said “I wonder……..” No conclusions here except that if
> > > foreign troops
> > > > came to my town and were walking around with automatic weapons on
> > > > US soil, the Constitution gives me the right to shoot the bastards,
> > > > irrespective of what ‘deals’ the traitor Clinton has made to the contrary.
> > > >
> > > > George Graves
> > >
> > > Calling the President of the United States a traitor is quite a claim.
> > > What is the basis of this claim?
> > >
> > > What are the facts that support this claim?
> > >
> > > And if, in fact, you honestly believe that Clinton is a traitor, what are
> > > you *doing* within the legal system about it?
> > >
> > > Or are you just blowing smoke out of your ass again?
> > >
> > > Sara
> >
> > Its called a political opinion OK?
>
> [Graves’ bullshit deleted]
>
> Then, Graves, why don’t you take your “political opinion” to a _political_
> newgroup? Or is that too much to ask from an inconsiderate asshole like
> you? You want to duscuss the Holocaust, fine. I’ll discuss the Holocaust
> with you. You want to discuss current politics and your pet UN conspiracy
> theories here? Piss off. I don’t have inclination to do it here in this
> newsgroup as it distracts from the reasons this newgroup is here. You,
> however, can find me in the alt.politics.* newgroups.
>
> At the very _least_ you should have the modicum of decency to take your
> bullshit to the proper newgroup.
>
> Mark

Why the hell don’t YOU read complete threads before throwing bricks? I
only mentioned the bastard’s treason in passing. I can’t help it if other
people pick up on it. I answered the questions put to me by a Clinton
supporter and haven’t made another comment about ’til now. You are a
real asshole. Who made you the arbiter of the NG? Go fuck yourself and
the horse you rode in on!

George Graves

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Gord McFee wrote:
>
> In <4c[email protected]>, [email protected] said:
>
> >
> >Milton Kleim ([email protected]) wrote:
> >: In a smoke-filled room, somewhere on Vancouver Island…
>
> >: Ken Mcvay: “Damn that Kleim! He’s making me look like an asshole.
> >What : are you guys gonna do?”
>
> >This fills me with curiousity. Do the revisionazis, humiliated here daily
> >and shown to be utter asses on a regular basis, really delude themselves
> >that they’re WINNING this debate? Could anybody really be that clueless?
> >Is there a precedent for this in the psychological literature?
>
> No, they don’t *really* think they are winning. Yes, they can be immensely
> clueless. The precedent would be their hero Hitler in the bunker in 1945.
>
> —
> Gord McFee
>
> .. I’ll write no line before its time([email protected])
> — MR/2 2.26 #331
>
>
We ARE winning, believe me, you’ll see. Maybe not today, maybe not
tomorrow, but soon; and for the rest of your life. (haven’t I seen that
line before someplace?)

George Graves

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D B McCullagh wrote:
>
> ————————————————————————–
>
> Wiesenthal Centre seeks Internet Censorship
>
> Members of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre requested that Italian Prime
> Minister Lamberto Dini back their initiatives to ban “racists” and
> “extremists” from the Internet.
>
> Italy has been specifically targeted to support the Orwellian-ban
> because Italy takes over the European Union presidency on January 1,
> 1996. The Wiesenthal Centre would like the enforcement of Internet
> Censorship to occur on a European level.
>
> Simon Wiesenthal, known for hunting down those deemed “war criminals”
> advocated censorhip of the Internet in a speech that he made to the
> United Nations in New York in November.
>
> Wiesenthal uttered the following appeal to the U.N. “Technology
> without hate can be so very beneficial for mankind, but in conjunction
> with hatred it leads to disaster.”
>
> The specifics of the Wiesenthal Centre’s proposals have not been
> detailed.
>
> Adapted from: Reuter, 7 December 1995.

Yes, there was an article in the paper here just yesterday in which
Wiesenthal’s people mentioned this NG in particular.
This is SO typical of Jews. They are all in favor of Freedom of Speech,
Freedom of the Press as long as those freedoms are used to advance their
agenda. Angry Young Blacks trashing the white establishment? Sure, that’s
OK, they are just voicing their frustration with the system. Hispanics
heaping verbal abuse on whites for similar reasons? Why, of course.
Freedom of Speech, you know. But the MINUTE somebody says something
against them. The INSTANT they see or hear an anti-Jewish thought, this
support for basic human rights melts away to nothing and is replaced by:
” Laws must be passed to stop this kind of talk”. and “We must control the
content of the internet”. Its SOOOO transparent. Yet, many don’t see it, even
when its right before their eyes.
Don’t give me this bullshit about what the Nazi’s did gives the Jews the
right to be sensitive on this subject either because it doesn’t excuse
their attitude. If they went after black-against-white hate groups or
Hispanic-against-white hate groups as well, it might be a different
story, but Wiesenthal’s people don’t give a damn about anything which
isn’t Jew related. I say send ’em back to their primary charter; that of
ferreting ex-Nazis out of old people’s homes and geriatric hospitals,
and having 90 year-olds deported, and leave freedom of speech issues
to people more qualified to take an unbiased view of the subject.

George Graves

From [email protected] Fri Jan 12 15:09:49 PST 1996
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Mark Staloff wrote:
>
> George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : These are often the same folk you see (and hear) screaming
> : about the enviornment. Well, the only thing wrong with the enviornment,
> : is the impact that an excess of people have made upon it. It certainly
> : doesn’t make a lot of sense.
>
> Immigration is a zero-sum game; increasing US population in that respect
> shouldn’t affect the environment of the Earth as a whole, because for an
> increase of energy consumption in the US, there’s a corresponding
> decrease in, say, Peru. Whereas with new children that trade-off doesn’t
> occur.
>
> Of course, one could argue that the American lifestyle promotes greater
> waste and by moving here an immigrant ups his effect on the environment,
> but I think that’s much harder to quantify.
>
Mark, I haven’t researched it either, but just off the top of my head,
I would say that your assertion is probably not true.
The types of immigrants we have these days come from really poor, third
world countries in Central America and Asia. I doubt if they used as much
energy in their homeland as they do when they come here. Most of those
people didn’t have automobiles or even electricity where they came from.

Even if what you say does work out, it doesn’t alter the fact that we have
too many people in this country as it is, and more will just errode
everyone’s quality of life even further.

George Graves

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Even if what you say does work out, it doesn’t alter the fact that we have
too many people in this country as it is, and more will just errode
everyone’s quality of life even further.

George Graves

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R.C. Richards wrote:
>
> folks:
>
> i was just thinking about how good it is to have such a hard core
> supporter of the white race as Ourobouros show up on the ng.
> you know there was a time a few months ago when the libs had us
> outnumbered for a month or two, but we hung in there like real white
> people have always hung in there when the going gets tough, and
> there’s no doubt about it these days that we’ve got the libs running
> scared.
>
> rc richards, racial theorist

Yes, I’d like to second that welcoming post. WE DO have these
multiculturalists on the run.

George Graves

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Michael Paterson wrote:
>
> >In article <30F19D8[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >> No, because I know better.
>
> >[email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:
> >Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we *all* were as prescient as Mr. Graves?
> >
> >Wouldn’t it be a better world if all of us only needed to say “I know” to
> >prove something as FACT?
> >
> >Mr. Graves “knows” better, because Mr. Graves “knows” the Protocols of
> >Zion are true. How does he know this? Doesn’t matter. He just DOES.
> >
> >Mr. Graves has heard the secrets most Jews have never heard: he KNOWS that
> >there is a ZOG. You know, I’ve mentioned this before, but since my uncle
> >was the Director of the Holocaust Museum in Washington, you’d think HE
> >would be privy to those secrets, right? He isn’t, but Mr. GRAVES is.
> >
> >And why? Why is Mr. Graves allowed access to information Jews are denied
> >about our OWN so-called conspiracy?
> >
> >Perhaps, Mr. Graves, you don’t know better. Perhaps you know worse.
> >
> Ptrhaps Mr. Graves’ lobotomy didn’t take. I am willing to offer my
> Canadian Tire 5/8″ drill for a second bash at it if it might be
> helpful.
>
> in loyal service to the destruction of racism

The only thing that you are in loyal service to, Patterson, is stupidity!
All you do is call people you don’t even know faggots, and generally fill
this NG with what seem (even to some of the other multiculturalists here)
to be whiskey induced (I only hope, for your sake, its a good single malt,
like Laiphroiag) delusions.

George Graves
> m paterson
>
> racists’ nightmare
>
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail

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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>
> In article <30F37A2[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > william c anderson wrote:
> > >
> > > Milton Kleim ([email protected]) wrote:
> > > : In a smoke-filled room, somewhere on Vancouver Island…
> > >
> > > : Ken Mcvay: “Damn that Kleim! He’s making me look like an asshole. What
> > > : are you guys gonna do?”
> > >
> > > This fills me with curiousity. Do the revisionazis, humiliated here
> > > daily and shown to be utter asses on a regular basis, really delude
> > > themselves that they’re WINNING this debate? Could anybody really
> > > be that clueless? Is there a precedent for this in the psychological
> > > literature?
> > >
> > > Bill
> >
> > I don’t know what universe you think that you are living in Bill, but in this
> > one, we are most certainly winning “this debate”. I get private E-mail
> > from “lurkers” all the time which tell me that this is so.
>
> Uh huh. Considering that your “lurkers” _volunteer_ their opinions, and
> aren’t randomly polled so as to eliminate bias and such, that tosses all
> statistically validity for your assertion of “winning” right out the
> window. Your crowing sounds more like a bit of preaching to the choir. Or
> the blind leading the blind.
>
> >They tell me how, after initially being put-off by the ‘racist’ side,
> that they have been gradually won over to our way of thinking by the fact
> that we make YOU look like utter asses (or is that asses’ udders?) on a
> daily basis.
>
> Uh huh. I’m sure they were “put-off by the ‘racist’ side” -for about two
> seconds. They sure couldn’t have been wooed by your, and the deniers’,
> cogent arguments and rapier-like intellects- as you’ve evidenced neither
> so far.
>
> And oh, BTW, Graves, the only “utter asses” hereabouts are you and those
> who share your morally stunted beliefs. Your braying is a constant source
> of amusement.
>
> Mark
>

If you don’t like it, I don’t have to tell you what to do about it.

George Graves

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william c anderson wrote:
>
> : >From: George Graves <[email protected]>
>
> : >85% of all major American newspapers are owned and/or edited, and
> : >controlled by Jews.
>
> : >Examples:
>
> : >New York Times – Owner/Publisher: Arthur Ochs Sulzberger
>
> : >LA Times – Publisher: David Laventhol
>
> Wrong. Richard Schlosberg.
>
> : >Atlanta Constituition – Publisher: Arnold Rosenfeld
>
> Wrong. Roger Kintzel. The Constitution, by the way, is owned by Anne
> Cox Chambers, who is about as gentile as it is possible for one to be.
>
> : >Detroit Free Press – Publisher: Neil Shine
>
> : >Washington Post – Owner/Publisher: Katherine Meyer Graham
>
> Wrong. The publisher of the Post is Donald Graham.
===================================================================
You are the one who’s wrong Jerk. Donald Graham is K.M. Graham’s
HUSBAND. She is both owner and executive publisher. Hubby works for
her. Daddy (old man Meyer, don’t remember his first name, was a Jew
as is his daughter).
===================================================================
>
> : >There are many more.
>
> Oh, I’m sure. Since you’ve demonstrated above that you can’t even do
> the most basic research without screwing up more than half the time,
> why should we believe this feeble claim?
====================================================================
Haven’t screwed up yet. But its one away for you!
====================================================================

>
> : >The Entire Communist movement was engineered and carried out
> : >by Jews. Karl Marx who ‘invented’ Communism was not only a Jew,
> : >but a friend and confidant of Theodore Herzl, author of the Protocols.
> : >Lenin, whose real name was Ulanov was a geschmott Jew (Geshmott
> : >is a Jewish term for one who changes his or her name to avoid being
> : >recognized as a Jew). Lenin’s father, whose real name was Olavin
> : >changed it to Ulanov to avoid the Czars’ pogroms.
>
> Wrong. Lenin was not a Jew.
===================================================================
Lenin was a geschmott Jew. NOBODY in Czarist Russia changed their name
to hide from pogroms EXCEPT Jews! There would be no other reason to do
so. Olavin is a form of the name Levi (as is the name of the Israeli actress
Dahlia Lavi. Used here as an example), and Levi is as Jewish as you can get.
Strike two.
===================================================================

>
> : >Leon Trotsky, one
> : >of the main instigators of the 1917 Russian Revolution, and Lenin’s
> : >right-hand man was born Leon Bronstein. The Jewish European banker
> : >Arthur Rothschild helped to finance the revolution as did the Americans
> : >Fels (of soap fame) and Guggenhiem (co-founder of Macy’s department
> : >store). J. P. Morgan, also a Jew, contributed millions to the Communist
> : >Revolution in Russia.
>
> Wrong. J.P. Morgan was not a Jew.
===================================================================
J.P. Morgan. Real family name: Moganthau. Strike three, you’re OUT. Take a
bench seat, Mr. Anderson.
====================================================================
>
> That’s five very basic factual errors in the first few paragraphs of
> your screed, George. I’m getting tired of counting…
>
> Bill

You should be tired of making an ass out of yourself. Three pitches,
three strikes. You’re 0 for 1, buddy.

George Graves

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Harry Katz wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> George Graves ([email protected]) pontificates:
>
> The goals of these individual “organizations” is not the point
> of this comparison. The goal is to show that just because one is
> not privy to an organization of and by one’s own people is not
> evidence that the organization doesn’t exist. It is simply
> evidence that one has not been asked to join.
>
> Nevertheless, Mr. Graves continues to tar the entire Jewish people
> with the “Jewish conspiracy” brush, even though he now acknowledges
> that all of the Jewish people have “not been asked to join!”
>
> —
> Harry Katz
>
>
You still don’t get it do you Katz? I’d spill the beans, its tempting, but
I’m having too much fun with you.

George Graves

From [email protected] Sat Jan 13 10:14:39 PST 1996
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Frank Weltner wrote:
>
> In article <30EFBDD[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> :Mark Staloff wrote:
> :>
> :> George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
> :>
> :> : Does not Israel accept all Jews wishing to go “home”?
> :>
> :> It isn’t my home, in any case. I’ve never been there. I don’t speak
> :> Hebrew. Home is New Jersey. I was born in the United States, same as
> :> you (unless – are you Canadian?), just to different parents.
> :>
> :> Mark
> :
> :The Israelis maintain that Israel is the homeland, the “promised land”,
> :if you will, for all Jews. I dare say that more than 90% of the population
> :of Israel is in the same boat as you: They had never been there, didn’t
> :speak Hebrew, Their homes were Poland, Austria, Romania, MInsk, New
> :Jersey, California. It didn’t stop them from “going home”.
> :
> :George Graves
>
> Flimsy argument, George, unless you want to return to Europe also and give
> the country up to the Indians. Somehow, I don’t think you have this in
> mind. If you do, though, we can come over next week with the wrecking
> crew, remove your house, and place buffalo there for the Indians to hunt
> and eat. How about it? Give me a call.

Actually I am contemplating retiring in Ireland (Republic Of, of course).

George Graves

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Michael Paterson wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Stephen Judd) wrote:
>
> >In article <4[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> In article <4d0[email protected]>, [email protected] (F44IHT) says:
> >> >
> >> >I am a black woman who is married to a white man. I see nothing wrong
> >> >with this and neither does he. I do not understand all this hate. Please
> >> >explain.
> >>
> >> Trying to explain the problem to two genetic throwbacks (you and your
> >> husband) is next to impossible.
> >>
> >> If you desire an answer, look at nature when non-human (e.g., honey bees)
> >> races mix…
> >>
> >> Ourobouros.
>
> >A good idea.
>
> >Usually mixing different strains of the same species produces healthy,
> >strong offspring, larger and stronger than either parent. Plant and animal
> >breeders take advantage of this fact of nature all the time. The benefits
> >of continued genetic mixing explain why all higher life forms reproduce
> >sexually, and not asexually.
>
> >On the other hand, continued endogamy (breeding within a strain)
> >eventually produces weak offspring and can concentrate genetic faults.
>
> >You have heard of “hybrid vigour”, haven’t you, Mr O?
>
> And we all remember “Deliverance” don’t we.
>
> Ourobouros is the one with the banjo.
>
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail

You ignoramus, the term hybrid vigor only applies to plants.

George Graves

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Frank Weltner wrote:
>
> Help me out here, George. I’m confused on these Protocol thingies.
>
> Am I supposed to place my fork to the right or left of the soup bowl? Or
> to the side of the salad plate? Also, where do I place the napkin. Under
> my chin? Up my ass? Please. Reply at once. The party is tomorrow.
>
> I feel so helpless without this knowledge.

Well, Frank, the napkin gets tied in a nice bow around the end of your
dork (so that people can tell whether you’re coming or going). The fork
goes in your nose (tines out, of course), and the full soup bowl is inverted
over your head and placed there, unless you are serving vichyssoise, in
which case, you sit in the bowl. (BTW, it is considered bad manners to
scream when the boiling soup cascades down over your furrowed brow.)

George Graves

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Fresh816 wrote:
>
> To quote a famous man (I can’t remember who, so it was probably me):
>
> This country was built with the backs of black men on the bodies of red
> men.
>
> We can’t deny history, Lester, ugly as it is. All white men did was a lot
> of yelling and screaming and shooting if the slaves didn’t work.

What assumptions. That “quote” isn’t history, its some bleeding-heart
liberal’s (probably Jooish) opinion.

George Graves

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Marc Lemire wrote:
>
> The fable of the
> Ducks And The Hens
>
> Many, many years ago,
> When animals could speak,
> A wondrous thing the ducks befell;
> Their tale is quite unique.
>
> Down by a pond dwelt all these ducks,
> Ten thousand at the least.
> Their duckish joys were undisturbed
> By any man or beast.
>
> One day, down near the entrance gate,
> There was an awful din.
> A hundred hens all out of breath
> Were begging to come in.
>
> “Oh, let us in!” the poor birds cried.
> “Before we do expire!
> “‘Tis only by the merest inch
> “That we escaped the fire!”
>
> Their feathers singed, their combs adroop,
> They were the saddest sight.
> They’d run a hundred miles or more,
> All day and then all night.
>
> “Come in! Come in!” the ducks all quacked,
> “For you our hearts do bleed!
> “We’ll share our happy lot with you,
> “Just tell us what you need!”
>
> And so the poor, bedraggled hens
> Among the ducks moved in.
> “For, after all,” the ducks declared,
> “We’re sisters ‘neath the skin.”
>
> Before too many months had passed,
> The hens were good as new.
> They sent for all their rooster friends,
> And these were welcomed too.
>
> To please their hosts, the chickens tried
> To waddle and to quack.
> To simulate the duckish ways
> They quickly learned the nack.
>
> This pleased the flock of ducks, because
> It gratified their pride.
> But hear my tale, and learn how they
> Got taken for a ride.
>
> The ducks, it seemed, spent all their time
> In fixing up the place,
> In growing food and building homes
> And cleaning every space.
>
> They asked the hens what they would do
> To earn their daily bread.
> “We’ll teach and write and entertain,
> “And buy and sell,” they said.
>
> And so the hens began to teach
> The baby ducks and chicks.
> They traded food and eggs and things,
> With many clever tricks.
>
> They wrote great books and put on shows;
> Of genius they’d no lack.
> It wasn’t long till chickens owned
> The Duckville Daily Quack.
>
> One day a mother duck who took
> Her ducklings to the lake,
> Was flabbergasted when one said,
> “A swim I will not take!”
>
> “Why, ducklings always swim!” she gasped.
> “It’s what you’re built to do!
> “Like bunnies hop, and crickets chirp,
> “And cows ‘most always moo!”
>
> “You’re nuts!” her little son replied,
> “That stuff is all old hat!
> “It’s wrong for birds to swim; besides,
> “It’s damned cold on my pratt!”
>
> “Oh, fie!” the mother duck exclaimed,
> “You’re talking like a fool!”
> Up quacked the other ducks and said,
> “He’s right! We learned in school!”
>
> “Such things must stop!” the mother cried,
> “Those hens can’t teach such lies!
> “For sheer ingratitude and nerve,
> “I’m sure this takes the prize!”
>
> But she was wrong, for even then
> The hens did thump the tub,
> Demanding they be let into
> The Duckville Swimming Club.
>
> “But you don’t swim!” the ducks exclaimed,
> “To join, why should you care?”
> “That’s not the point!” the hens replied,
> “To exclude us isn’t fair!”
>
> The younger ducks, who’d been to school,
> Agreed right there and then:
> “To keep them out is bigotry!
> “‘Twould just be anti-hen!”
>
> Outnumbered by the younger ducks,
> The old ducks soon did lose.
> They agreed to let the hens all in,
> If they would pay the dues.
>
> That night The Duckville Daily Quack
> contained this banner spread:
> “Reactionary Ducks Are Licked!
> “Duckville Moves Ahead!”
>
> Down at the Duckville Gaiety,
> The young set laughed with glee,
> At cracks about “old fuddy ducks”
> In burlesque repartee.
>
> Next day the hens were at the club.
> A petition they’d sent ’round:
> They objected to the swimming fund
> With fury and with sound.
>
> “You use our dues to fix the pond,
> “To keep it neat and trim,
> “And this is wrong,” they said, “because
> “You know we do not swim!”
>
> “God help us all!” cried a wise old duck,
> “These chickens have gone mad!
> “We’ll take this thing to court, by George!
> “And justice will be had!”
>
> But when they went up to the judge,
> Imagine their dismay!
> A chicken-judge decreed that they
> A heavy fine must pay!
>
> “Minorities must have their rights!”
> The judge declared right then.
> “To use hens’ dues to fix the pond
> “Is very anti-hen!”
>
> Once more The Duckville Daily Quack
> Emblazoned ‘cross the page:
> “Old-Fogey Ducks Refuse to See
> “The Great New Coming Age!”
>
> In Duckville’s church on Sunday morn,
> The preacher spoke these words,
> “Discrimination’s got to stop!
> “Remember, we’re all birds!”
>
> The wisest duck in all the town
> Sat down in black despair.
> “I’ll write a book,” he thought, “and then
> “This madness I will bare!”
>
> “Let swimmers swim, let hoppers hop,
> “Let each one go his way.
> “Let none coerce a fellow bird!”
> Was what he had to say.
>
> “‘Twere wrong to force the hens to swim,
> “So here’s the problem’s crux;
> “It’s just as bad for hens to try
> “To chicken-ize our ducks!”
>
> “I can’t print that,” the printer said,
> “Twill put me in a mess!
> “My shop is mortgaged to the hens;
> “The chickens own my press!”
>
> This worried duck then tried to warn
> His friends by speech and pen,
> But young ducks fresh from school just jeered.
> “He’s a vicious anti-hen!”
>
> Now up the stream a little way
> Was Gooseville on the lake.
> The hens had come to Gooseville too,
> But the geese were more awake.
>
> When the hens began to spoil the young,
> And Gooseville’s laws to flout,
> The geese rose up in righteous wrath
> And simply threw them out.
>
> Of course you know where they all ran;
> On Duckville they converged.
> “We’ve got to take these refugees,”
> Was what the hens all urged.
>
> The Duckville Daily Quack declared:
> “These geese will stop at naught!
> “They plan to conquer all the world!
> “Atrocities they’ve wrought!”
>
> “That’s right,” the young ducks all agreed,
> “We’ll help our fellow birds!
> “These geese have plans to conquer us!
> “We’ve read the Quack’s own words!”
>
> They let the hens from Gooseville in,
> The whole bedraggled pack.
> And every hen took up a job
> On Duckville’s Daily Quack!
>
> When Duckville’s mayor’s term was up,
> The Quack put up its duck.
> A vain and stupid duck was he,
> A veritable cluck!
>
> But when he praised the wild young ducks,
> And cursed the evil geese,
> The Quack declared he was all wise;
> His praise would never cease.
>
> The hens chipped in to help this cluck
> Give grain away for free.
> The old ducks sadly shook their heads;
> The writing they could see.
>
> And, sure enough, this stupid duck,
> He was elected mayor.
> From this point on, the Duckville ducks,
> They never had a prayer.
>
> The mayor said, “Gooseville must go!
> “We’ll wipe them off the map!”
> While Duckville slept, the scheming hens
> For Gooseville set a trap.
>
> They called the geese by filthy names;
> They filled their pond with sticks.
> They helped the weasels catch the geese,
> And other hennish tricks.
>
> The geese got mad and threw some rocks.
> “It’s war!” the Quack announced.
> “We ducks must fight those evil geese
> “‘Till they’ve been soundly trounced!”
>
> The ducks (who knew not of the tricks
> Indulged in by the mayor)
> Were filled with patriotic zeal,
> And pitched right in for fair!
>
> Now when the ducks had whipped the geese,
> The mayor called “Retreat!”
> “Our hennish friends should really take
> “Gooseville’s big main street!”
>
> The hens were back in Gooseville now.
> They starved and beat the geese.
> They prayed for peace — but organized
> The “Hennish Armed police!”
>
> They drained the Gooseville swimming pond;
> They de-goose-ified the schools;
> They wrung the neck of Gooseville’s mayor
> On lately made up rules.
>
> They formed a council of the hens:
> “United Birds” the name
> The other birds who joined the thing
> Did not perceive the game.
>
> No sooner had they set this up,
> Then they announced their plan
> To seize up Swanville as a home
> For all their hennish clan.
>
> They took a vote amongst the hens,
> And everyone approved!
> “Swanville was for hens!” they said,
> “Way back, before we moved.”
>
> And so they kicked the swans all out
> With Duckville’s help and power,
> And Duckville couldn’t understand
> Why swans on them turned sour.
>
> By this time, Duckville was a mess;
> The young ducks had gone mad.
> They stole and laughed at truth and law;
> They went completely bad.
>
> The hens were selling loco weed
> In every nasty den.
> But ducks who dared to mention this
> Were labeled “anti-hen.”
>
> The hens all preached of tolerance.
> They invoked the Golden Rule,
> But they subsidized the indigent,
> The greedy, and the fool.
>
> At last the very dumbest ducks
> Began to smell a rat.
> “This mayor is no good!” they cried,
> “And we will soon fix that!”
>
> But the hens had planned for even this;
> A candidate they had
> Whom even wise old ducks believed
> Just never could be bad.
>
> This hen-tool duck had whipped the geese;
> A soldier-duck was he.
> Although the hens had set him up,
> The ducks all thought him free.
>
> This hen-tool duck got elected,
> Through ignorance and greed,
> Through hennish lies in press and speech,
> Through bribes of chicken feed.
>
> The hens now kicked the ducks around
> Without a blush of shame,
> Until the mayor ran the town
> In nothing else but name.
>
> They pumped the swimming pool all dry;
> They taught the ducks to crow.
> While duckish numbers dwindled,
> The hens’ began to grow.
>
> The hens stirred up the happy crows
> From out the piney wood,
> To come and mix with all the ducks
> In the name of brotherhood.
>
> Things got so bad that fifty ducks
> Who knew of days gone by
> Took up their wives and children
> And decided that they’d fly.
>
> They flew through storm and tempest;
> They froze, and many died.
> But on they drove, until, at last,
> A lovely lake they spied.
>
> They settled down exhausted,
> But soon went straight to work
> To build and clear and cultivate.
> No danger did they shirk.
>
> Now, after many years of toil,
> This little band had grown.
> The fields around were full of grain
> From seeds that they had sown.
>
> The first ducks now were long since dead;
> Their struggles now had ceased.
> Through hard work and suffering,
> Their joys had been increased.
>
> One day near the entrance gate
> There was an awful din;
> A hundred hens, all out of breath,
> Were begging to come in.
>
> “Oh, let us in!” the poor birds cried,
> “Before we do expire!
> “‘Tis only by the merest inch…..”
> And now our tale repeats itself entire.
>
> George Lincoln Rockwell
> 1918-1967
>
> (C) 1975 The National Alliance
> P.O. Box 2723
> Arlington, VA 22202
>

This is the best explanation of how World Zionism works that I have ever
seen. No one could possibly read it without getting the point.

George Graves

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Harry Katz wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> George Graves ([email protected]) discusses the notorious forgery,
> “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion:”
>
> I have come across the Pyotr Ivanovich Rachkovsky connection
> before, but I tend to discount it.
>
> Mr. Graves gives no reason for discounting Rachkovsky as the forger
> responsible for the “Protocols” but the reason is patently obvious.
> As Rachkovsky is not a Jew, and his authorship would establish
> conclusively that the work is a forgery, Mr. Graves cannot use it to
> bash Jews, so he “tends to discount it!”
>
> Ilya Tsion, on the other hand, is a name I know well. He was a
> Jew (Tsion is another spelling for Zion like Tsar is another way
> to spell Czar) and a member of the first “World Zionist
> Convention” held in Basil Switzerland in 1892. He was, in point
> of fact, Herzl’s right-hand man at that little gathering
> (Source: “Father Coughlin and the Zionists” By Charles J. Tull,
> Syracuse University Press, 1962). He may have actually been the
> scribe for the meeting (although I don’t know this as fact and
> Tull doesn’t say what Tsion’s actual duties were).
>
> So far, so good, but look at the leap of faith Mr. Graves makes in
> very next sentence:
>
> If he was, then it is only natural for him to have been the
> actual “author” of the ‘Protocols’ (being that they are
> resolutions of a group of people, attributing authorship to
> him would be like saying the U.S. Senate scribe is the author
> of the ‘Congressional Record’).
>
> Mr. Graves conveniently ignores the fact that the World Zionist
> Convention held in Switzerland in 1892 produced minutes of the
> convention and they are not the “Protocols!” The text of the
> “Protocols” themselves do not mention any date, time, or place, and
> the Basil connection was invented.
>
> Furthermore, a comparison between the “Protocols” and the Congressional
> Record will quickly demonstrate that the former is an out-and-out
> forgery. The Congressional Record contains the details of debate and
> legislation that refer to real people, places, and events by name.
> The “Protocols” contain no debate, just a very long and tedious
> lecture about attaining political power in an abstract sense, with
> absolutely no references to any real people, places, and events
> whatsoever — except a vague assertion that the “conspiracy” was
> responsible for the French Revolution.
>
> In other words, the “Protocols” contain formulations like, “We shall
> demoralize the labor force by introducing them to alcoholism.” But
> what it does not contain is any formulations like this, “So-and-so
> will take over operations in Such-and-such country. He will report
> to So-and-so. So-and-so will report to him.” Nor are there any
> formulations like this, “We found that Tactic X worked well for
> So-and-so in Such-and-such country, so we are advising all cells in
> all countries to adopt this tactic.” In other words, the “Protocols”
> contain many ideas that could be disseminated via pamphlets and
> books, but none of the practical day-to-day details that require a
> convention for resolution.
>
> At any rate, he would have had a copy, and they could have
> gotten away from him. There is no way of knowing.
>
> Yes, there is “a way of knowing!” Look up the minutes of the Basil
> convention. They were not “gotten away” from the “scribe” of the
> convention — they were published by the convention!
>
> If the Basil convention had indeed produced the “Protocols” then the
> only conclusion an intelligent person could reach is that the
> convention was totally useless and conducted by the totally inept;
> that regardless of the egotistical rhetoric of the “Protocols” the
> authors are totally incapable of initiating and carrying through such
> a fantastic scheme.
>
> —
> Harry Katz
>

Katz, you make so many leaps in logic here, that it is difficult to
know where to start. You proceed from the belief that the ‘Protocols’
are flase, yet you can provide no proof that they are. I, on the other
hand proceed from the premis that the ‘Protocols’ are real. The difference
is that I can look at 20th century history and see where each protocol
has been carried out. Many (although, not all) things mentioned in the
‘Protocols’ as a blueprint for world chaos and domination, have and are
taking place. I have posted the ‘Protocols’ in both PDF and plain text
format at my ftp site, for ANYONE to download.
They can read the ‘Protocols’ and see for themselves how most of
the methodology explained in the document HAS and IS taking place.
To me, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and this pudding tastes
like gefilte fish!

ftp://ftp.aimnet.com

User: anonymous
password: [email protected]
path: /pub/users/gmgraves/public.

I’m not afraid of putting my money where my mouth is, how about you?

George Graves

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Michael Paterson wrote:
>
> [email protected] (MORRISON KEITH MURRAY) wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]> George Graves <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >>Bullshit! Layfayette was a “Friend of the Republic” and operated under the
> >>aegis of General Washington, as did the Huegenots, which were paid
> >>mercenaries. The UN troops are NOT under US command and have jurisdiction
> >>over American civilians. I hope your not trying to tell me that you support
> >>this outrage? Because, if you do, you are a traitor too.
>
> >Aaaahhhhhh, poor baby. Why is it that UN procedures that allow commanders
> >of other nations doesn’t seem to bother anybody else? Maybe because they
> >are mature enough to realize that sometimes other people are just as good
> >(if not better than) their own? Or is it that rather sad residue of
> >manifest destiny that prevents some Americans from admitting that they might
> >not be the omniscient and omnipotent assholes they think they are?
>
> Yeah, when I was in the Army and under the NATO flag, the Commanding
> General was Speidel, a former Nazi general. Even so, he was
> exonerated of any war crimes and was a damned fine general, even
> though HE never went to West Point.
>
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail

None of that is relevant. Foreign troops on American soil, under foreign
command is simply ILLEGAL. The President has no RIGHT (under the
Constitution) to condone or allow such a thing. Only Congress has that
power, and they would have to change the law to allow it.
You liberals are all alike. You scream for protection under the law, until
the law becomes ‘inconvenient’ to your agenda, then you want it changed.
This country has a Constitution precisely to keep fashion from influencing
policy. The Zionists with their CFR might win eventually, but as of today,
the Constitution is still in effect, and Clinton is ignoring both it and
his oath to uphold it.

George Graves

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Andy Walton wrote:
>
> In article <30F6453[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> :Yes, there was an article in the paper here just yesterday in which
> :Wiesenthal’s people mentioned this NG in particular.
> :This is SO typical of Jews.
>
> No more so than the White Power movement is typical of caucasians.
>
> :They are all in favor of Freedom of Speech, Freedom of the Press as long as
> :those freedoms are used to advance their agenda.
>
> And this is a uniquely Jewish trait because…? Are you willing to argue
> that I, for instance, would be allowed to speak my mind in Les Griswold’s
> Whitopia(tm)?
====================================================================
If not, I wouldn’t support Les’ vision of Whitopia any more than I support
World Zionism.
====================================================================
>
> In every movement, race, and ethnicity, there are those who will sacrifice
> principle for expediency. It is up to those of us who believe in
> principles, in the power of ideas, in the resurgent power of truth, to
> reject calls for censorship, from whatever corner they may come.
>
> :Angry Young Blacks trashing the white establishment? Sure, that’s
> :OK, they are just voicing their frustration with the system.
>
> Yup.
>
> :Hispanics heaping verbal abuse on whites for similar reasons? Why, of course.
> :Freedom of Speech, you know.
>
> Absogoddamnedlutely.
>
> :But the MINUTE somebody says something against them. The INSTANT they see or
> :hear an anti-Jewish thought, this support for basic human rights melts away
> :to nothing and is replaced by ” Laws must be passed to stop this kind of
> :talk”. and “We must control the content of the internet”. Its SOOOO
> :transparent. Yet, many don’t see it, even when its right before their eyes.
>
> Let me make this perfectly clear. I believe in meeting those with whom I
> disagree. I believe in countering lies with the truth, not with a muzzle.
> The Wiesenthal center is dead wrong on this issue. On this point, the ACLU
> and EFF agree with me (or I with them. Whatever).
>
> :Don’t give me this bullshit about what the Nazi’s did gives the Jews the
> :right to be sensitive on this subject either because it doesn’t excuse
> :their attitude.
>
> They are entitled to their attitude, whatever it may be. As participants
> in a free society, they are obligated to keep their hands of of my
> attitude and yours.
>
> :If they went after black-against-white hate groups or Hispanic-against-white
> :hate groups as well, it might be a different story, but Wiesenthal’s people
> :don’t give a damn about anything which isn’t Jew related.
>
> So they are not credible because they act only on the behalf of “their
> people,” however they define the term? By that criterion, you are credible
> because…?
>
> Again, I’ll throw my lot in with those driven by principle, not by
> constituency–those who listen to what is said rather than who is saying
> it. That’s a small category. The ACLU and the EFF are in it.
>
> :I say send ’em back to their primary charter; that of
> :ferreting ex-Nazis out of old people’s homes and geriatric hospitals,
> :and having 90 year-olds deported, and leave freedom of speech issues
> :to people more qualified to take an unbiased view of the subject.
>
> Agreed, as far as the substance of your point goes. The Wiesenthal Center
> is dead wrong. You will find me consistent on this point–I have never
> supported silencing those with whom I disagree. Let all ideas have a full
> airing. If the racists are on the fringes, as I believe they are, we have
> nothing to fear. If they win in an unfettered exchange of ideas, they
> obviously deserve to. I, for one, find my freedoms worthless if they do
> not extend to everyone.
>
> I will promise that, as long as I draw breath, I will defend your right to
> speak your mind without prejudice. Voltaire had it right–I may disagree
> with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
>
> Bring it on. Give me your arguments, and I’ll give you mine. May the
> strongest argument win.
>
> Can I expect the same courtesy from the other side? Could I extract the
> same promise? Or will I draw more of the same old threats about a lamppost
> and a noose with my name on them, come the revolution?
>
> We shall see who is genuinely dedicated to the ideal of free speech, and
> whose pious pronouncements ring hollow.
===================================================================
We are in complete agreement on this point.

George Graves
====================================================================
>
> ——————————————————–
> “You come to see what you want to see
> You come to see, but you never come to know.”
> –Kinky Friedman
> ——————————————————–
> Andy Walton * [email protected] * finger for e.e. cummings
> http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus/

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william c anderson wrote:
>
> George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : Nothing concrete. But I talk to a lot of people from all walks of life. Most
> : agree with me about multiculturalism.
>
> We’re not talking about multiculturalism here, George; I have no doubt
> that a majority of people in the country say they disapprove of that.
> What we’re talking about is the idea that there’s a gigantic Jooish
> Konspiracy to control the world, one facet of which is the promulgation
> of fake holocaust stories. I’d venture to assert that the percentage of
> the US population ready to buy that is well down into the single digits.
====================================================================
I have NEVER denied the holocaust, on this NG or anywhere else!
====================================================================
>
> : I never open the JOOISH thing with
> : strangers, though, it takes too much explanation. Yes, I believe that this
> : is basically a conservative country, and that most of the so-called “silent
> : majority” are against multiculturalism.
>
> Again, we aren’t talking about multiculturalism.
====================================================================
I am!
====================================================================
>
> : I sure get a lot of kudos from
> : lurkers on this NG. If I have converted 20 people to start looking at the
> : world, and drawing some conclusions based upon what they see, and what
> : I’ve said, then I’m certainly content.
>
> Since your arguments are invariably refuted soon after you post them, I
> doubt you’ve converted anybody at all.
====================================================================
By who? Certainly not you. You are wrong almost every time you try to
shut me down. Like the post about my facts being wrong vis-a-vis
newspapers, Lenin and Morgan. Check out my answer. YOU LOSE AGAIN.
====================================================================
>
> : Like I said before, If each of them
> : convince 20 people and each of THEM convince 20 people, soon there will
> : be millions of people who have had the mask of brainwashing removed from
> : their minds, so that they can see the damage to this country being
> : condoned in the name of multiculturalism.
>
> There’s that word again…
=====================================================================
Yes Anderson, its my beef about the world, and going to destroy this country
if it isn’t stopped!

George Graves
=====================================================================

>
> Bill

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Sara aka Perrrfect wrote:
>
> In article <30F432D[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > As to blowing smoke. I’ll leave that to you. You Jews have made a religion
> > out of it.
> >
> > George Graves
>
> Of course. When in doubt, just yell “JOOOO!”
>
> Nice to see you’re consistent.
>
> Also, [you might want to jot this one down] liar is not spelled lyer.
> Also, what evidence do you have that Hillary Clinton is a whore?
================================================================
Thanks for the spelling lesson. In Hillary’s case, “whore” is a term of
endearment, and she is going to fall for this Whitewater fiasco.
================================================================
>
> Political OPINIONS, Mr. Graves, usually begin with the phrase, “I think
> that…” But since you DON’T think, I guess that never occured to you.
================================================================
Actually, only the invective is an opinion. That Billy-boy has violated
his oath to uphold the Constitution of The United States (a document
in which you liberals obviously DO NOT believe) is a fact, not an
opinion. That any president who willingly and knowingly does this is,
by definition, a traitor, is also not an opinion, but fact.

George Graves
>
> Sara
>
> —
> “Who CARES if Hitler killed six million jews, or sixty million? He
> identified the problem facing post-WWI Germany, and took decisive action to protect HIS people.”
> The Wit and Wisdom [sic] of Les Griswold

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Michael Paterson wrote:
>
> Marty Kelley <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Michael Paterson wrote:
>
> >> Do you actually have to be gay to join the Aryan Nation, or is it just
> >> the leadership? I’ll bet you and Georgie and Les have a wonderful
> >> time when you’re alone, dancing under the moonbeams, hanging onto each
> >> other’s tiny tools!
>
> >You know, I really hate it when someone attempts to oppose one form of
> >bigotry (racism) with another form of bigotry (homophobia).
>
> >A plague o’ both thy houses!
>
> You’re absoluely right Mr. Kelley, but I’m just playing the house
> rules
>
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail

Mr. Kelly, this Paterson scum is hung-up on homosexuality. I think he
has called everybody on this NG who disagree with him a homo. Methinks
the gentleman doth protest too much.

George Graves

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Ethan Stein wrote:
>
> George Graves <[email protected]> writes:
> < snip >
> >> >
> >> > No, you’d rather “watch from the sidelines” and survive a Jewish takeover!
> >> > Remember, that “One World” and “World Government” that you keep hearing
> >> > about is a euphemism for “World Zionism”.
> >> >
> >> > George Graves
> >>
> >> Graves, the only reason anybody ever hears the phrases “One World” and
> >> “World Government” is because fruitcakes like you scream it at the top of
> >> their lungs. I surmise that this is a ploy to get attention. Much like a
> >> two-year-old’s tantrum. I wondr if the “solution” to a two-year-old’s
> >> temper tantrum would convince _you_ to stop screaming about bizarre
> >> conspiracy theories at the top of your lungs?
> >>
> >> Mark
> Graves blathers on:
> >Right! You just watch as the soverienty of the United States continues
> >to be absorbed by the United Nations. We already have placed our troops
> >under its aegis in all but name. Next summer, you’ll get to see U.N. troops
> >from foreign nations, wearing their blue helmets (the same blue, I might
> >add as the Israeli Flag -Coincidence? I wonder), patrolling the streets of
> >Atlanta WITH MACHINE GUNS during the Summer Olympics there. Seems to
> >me that someone hasn’t screamed “WORLD GOVERNMENT” loudly ENOUGH.
> >And after America sees that really happen, I’ll bet it will be more than
> >just “fruitcakes” like me screaming about it too!
>
> >George Graves
>
> George, you must be monumentally dim. Until very recently the U.N. held
> that Zionism was equivalent to racism. Who was behind this, World Jewry?
> I’d like to see you rationalize that one. The resolution equating Zionism
> with racism was the product ofthe non-aligned states, arab states and the
> soviets. I guess in your demented world view, somehow the Jews were behind
> the resolution after all to cleverly fool everybody, and the arabs, non-
> alignds, and soviets were all Jewish dupes. Only someone suffering from
> psychotic tunnel vision could believe that one.
> Zionism’s goal is to have a Jewish homeland in the state of Israel. Even the
> most avid Zionists only want that homeland to be within the biblical borders
> of Israel, which would still be a state smaller than most of the other nations on the planet. You’d be pretty hard pressed to find any zionists who want
> to occupy the streets of Atlanta!
> Your reasoning is so insane that you actually see a connection between the
> color of U.N. troop helmets and the Israeli flag. By that ‘logic’ George, do
> suppose that all true patriotic Americans want to speak french and eat
> croissants? After all, our flag and the French flag are both red, white, and
> blue.
>
> Where do you get the idea that U.S. sovereignty is being absorbed by the U.N.?
> Just look at current events. No matter what your views are of the international
> intervention in Bosnia, the fact is that that intervention has just been taken
> over *from* the U.N. *by* NATO (led by the U.S. ).
>
> Ethan Stein
>
>

To answer that, Mr. Stein, I suggest that you read a book entitled:
“Global Tyranny….Step By Step, The United Nations and The Emerging
New World Order” By William F. Jasper. Western Islands Publisher,
Appleton, Wisconsin, 1992. Library of Congress #92-081764.
The most telling of all the revelations to found here, sir is the speech
made by UN Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali in 1992, in which
he said: ” The time of absolute and exclusive sovereignty of any nation
or group of nations has passed” It has also been the official policy of
the United States Government since 1961 to disarm America and create
a UN army (State Department Publication 7277: “Freedom From War”)

George Graves

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[email protected] wrote:
>
> You fascist do not deserve to live.
> Just you wait untill the SYNDICATE gets to you and you WILL be scared
> I just love to watch you internal organs swinging from the trees in my garden
> And to all those assholes who hide their faces under white caps: go fuck your
>
> selves we are going to get to you eventually and than you will learn a new
>
> definition of pain.
> You will burn you motherfucking scum.
> If Hitler was still alive you would be licking the crack of his ass after he
>
> took a shit if he told you so just because you have a brain the sice of an
>
> molecule.
> You are nothing but low life scum and have no right , to speak on your terms ,
>
> to polute this planet.
>
> We will take you down one by one
>
> COMMUNISM WILL RISE

This is funny. This guy talks about OUR internal organs hanging from
trees, about how HIS group will burn us, and “take you down one
by one”. And he calls US fascists!
I’m afraid little man, you just don’t get it.

George Graves

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Rick, Jones wrote:
>
> > George Graves <[email protected]> writes:
>
> > Gassing? Who said anything about gassing? What the Nazis did is only of
> > historical interest to me (and its a subject which suffers, IMHO, from
> > overexposure). I am not a Nazi. I do not advocate so-called hate crimes
> > against anyone. I am for exposing the Jewish conspiracy so that it
> > collapses (conspiracies can’t stand up in the light of day
>
> Well, start exposing, George. Provide some EVIDENCE to support
> this absurd position, and it might seem less absurd. Tell us:
>
> 1. WHO is in on the conspiracy?
>
> 2. WHAT is it they’re conspiring to do?
>
> 3. WHERE are they meeting?
>
> 4. WHEN are these meetings? When are the conspiratorial acts carried out?
>
> 5. WHY are “they” (remember, you have to tell us who They are) doing this?
>
> 6. HOW is it “they” can do this?

What, you don’t understand a conspiracy? Its all sub rosa. Its
compartmentized. Even different cell members are not aware
of other cells, or, in many cases, who their leaders are. That’s
how conspiracies work. Usually one can only see the tips of
icebergs: A Jewish name here and there sprinkled among the
non-Jew. The only way, most of the time, to detect a conspiracy,
is by the results. This one is huge. But we have their plan
“The Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion”. If we read them
and look around, we will see the results everywhere.
To understand how a classic conspiracy actually works, study
the so-called “Teapot Dome Scandle”. It brought down Warren
G. Harding’s administration over 70 years ago, and we still
don’t know who all the perpetraitors were, so well were their
tracks hidden. In fact, if one of the conspirators, Albert Fall,
(from whence comes the phrase “fall guy”) hadn’t spilled the
beans, we’d never have found out about it.
You might want to read a poem posted on this NG earlier in the
week called “Fable of the Ducks and Hens”. Its a great little
parable and it very simply explains how the Zionist conspiracy
works better than anything I have seen in a long time.

George Graves

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Sodalite wrote:
>
> George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Michael Paterson wrote:
> >
> >> I’ll go anywhere I like, Graves – and watch your mouth! I won’t have
> >> some jumped-up yapping cracker-trash talking to me like he was my
> >> equal. Mind your manners, boy! You’re not talking to your mother now.
> >================================================================
> >OOOOH, we do have a butch one here don’t we. Look asshole, I’ll talk to
> >you anyway I want to and you’ll take it and like it, UNDERSTAND JERK?
> >There is NOTHING you can do about it except either flame me or go
> >away. I don’t really give much of a damn which it is!
>
> Isn’t it funny that those who are poor, uneducated slobs always have a
> problem finding decent nouns? Surely, Mr. Graves, you can easily scan
> this vast word pool of the English language and come up with some
> thing that doesn’t require you to sound like a two-bit hoodlum.
>
> You guys are like fish: You take the bait, and you stink.
>
> >Do you have anything IMPORTANT to say, there Butch? Personal insults
> >don’t convey much information. If all you want to do is excoriate those
>
> If personal insults don’t convey much information, as you pointed out,
> why did you insist on insulting Mr. Paterson? I also wonder why you
> call him “Butch”; is this a new synonym for “liberal”? I’ve noticed
> this is a word you guys toss about like confetti.
>
> Cheerio…Tanya
>
> ======================================================================
> = I could never be a white supremacist (sic). I could not imagine =
> = being hated by every man, woman and child who has the right to be =
> = on this planet. I could not imagine being as shallow as a mirror. =
> = I would not like to think that my only allies are a bunch of =
> = raving lunatics who wouldn’t help another person if they were =
> = in need. I would not like to be thought of as an idiot by =
> = the world. I could not imagine what being like that would do to =
> = me as a person who embraces life as something beautiful. I could =
> = not hate like that. I could never be a white supremacist (sic). =
> ======================================================================

You need to have read this entire thread. I suggest you do so in the future.
It might stop you from putting your proverbial foot in your proverbial
mouth.
This guy Paterson comes on threatening people, making wild accustaions,
and generally wasting people’s time. I talk like a two-bit hoodlum TO a
two bit hoodlum for that is precisely what this Paterson guy is. As to
why I insult him, why do you insult me? Same reason.
I called the jerk “Butch” because he A) comes on so strongly with empty
threats while being very careful to make sure that we understand that
he was some kind of special forces commando. and B) He calls EVERYBODY
a queer. I figure the “gentleman doth protest too much”, hence “Butch”.

Have I explained my actions thuroughly enough teacher? Can I go back to
my seat now?

Oh, your little “signature”? Before I throw up, I just want to say one word,
“kneejerk”!

George Graves

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Pyramid 00 wrote:
>
> I left this newsgroup close to a year ago after battling and pretty
> much handling
> Mr. Les Griswold for a few months. It is amazing that I return many
> months later only
> to see guess who, still misappropriating facts and distorting history.
> Advice to all engaged in keyboard warfare with Les Griswold: You are
> wasting
> a very precious element called TIME ! There isn’t much of it to go around
> so I would
> suggest that you don’t allow a mentally smothered individual like Mr.
> Griswold to tie up
> the time that could be better spent wiping your ass or cleaning your toes.
> Those tasks
> should take priority over speaking with a man who is, on his best day,
> retarded. He is
> typical of the white-power movement followers; neglected individuals who
> seek out
> the movement for protection against phantom enemies and also to receive
> the attention
> that mommy and daddy failed to give them during the critical formative
> years.
> JUST SAY NO TO GRISWOLD !
>
> This has been the beloved [email protected]

Leave it again. We don’t need you.

George Graves

From [email protected] Sun Jan 14 17:47:55 PST 1996
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Ourobouros wrote:
>
> In article <4d2li4$e[email protected]>, [email protected] (F.M.L. ) says:
> >
> >Here is some interesting history:
> >
> >The word “Aryan” means, literally “us people of this region;” further,
> >it was used by those who inhabited the Indus River Valley, located
> >today, of course in India, so many, many centuries ago.And the
> >inhabitants were NOT caucasion.
> >
> Please prove that Aryan means “us people of this region.”
>
> Please prove that the Aryans were NOT Caucasion.
>
> Are you aware of Iran and it’s (ancient) history?
>
> Ourobouros.

Caucasians are so called because they (supposedly) originated in an
area of the Caucus mountains called Circassia. The people who Saddam
Hussein is persecuting in northern Iran (and who George Bush abandoned
after promising to help them), are these people. There was a National
Geographic magazine in the early ’90’s which had a picture of a beautiful
young girl with piercing blue eyes on the cover. She was dirty, and looked
very sad (you know the picture). This girl is (as are all her people)
a caucasian, and therefore white.

George Graves

From [email protected] Sun Jan 14 20:04:37 PST 1996
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Gord McFee wrote:
>
> >> I take it that means you do *not* want to debate the issues, but have
> your
> >> mind made up on them. Is this correct? If so, I won’t waste either of
> our
> >> time (except to flame you of course).
> >>
> >> —
> >> Gord McFee
>
> >Sure, McFee, I want to debate issues that ARE debateable. On the other
> >hand, there are some subjects upon which there can be no debate, unless
> >your side comes up with some new evidence that I have yet to consider. You
> >see, many of these issues have been studied, dissected, scruitinized, and
> >ultimately, closed. I have no more interest in going over them again than
> >you would have in re-visiting your A-B-Cs. They are BASICS, learned once,
> >and non-debatable. You bring up an issue which IS debatable (such as the
> >one I had going for a while with several members of the NG about Freedom
> >of Speech here and in Canada before it got silly) and I will be happy to
> >debate anyone. But if you just want to drag out the same tired, old
> >Roosevelt liberal rhetoric, I’m not interested, and will respond with
> >flames and flippant remarks.
>
> In other words, you have closed your mind and don’t wish to debate anything.
> That’s what I thought.
>
> —
> Gord McFee
>
> .. I’ll write no line before its time([email protected])
> — MR/2 2.26 #331

Have it your own way, but you have just demonstrated WHO really has
the closed mind here.

George Graves
>
>

From [email protected] Sun Jan 14 20:04:38 PST 1996
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From: George Graves <[email protected]>
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MORRISON KEITH MURRAY wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]> George Graves <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >And you still haven’t addressed the main point. Clinton is a traitor via
> >blatant violation of his Oath of Office. If he were a Republican President,
> >calls for impeachment would be screaming from the front page of every
> >newspaper in the country, and would be the lead story of every news
> >broadcast, but due to the media’s leftist bias, anything the slimy little
> >prick does is just fine with them.
>
> You mean like they did for Ronald “I didn’t know about that arms-for-
> hostages thing…really” Reagan and George “I didn’t either” Bush?
>
> Howzabout Richard “I am not a crook” Nixon, the famous crook, currently
> being historically revised to be not such a bad guy?
>
> Traitors like them, d’ya mean?
>
> —
> Keith Morrison
> [email protected]

They didn’t violate the Constitution and the media did SCREAM for their
impeachment. Its just that clearer heads pervailed.

George Graves

From [email protected] Sun Jan 14 20:04:39 PST 1996
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Phil Nicholls wrote:
>
> George Graves <[email protected]> raged:
>
> >Its called a political opinion OK? Yeah, just watch the lyin’ little
> >weasle talk outa both sides of his mouth at once. And that whore
> >he’s married too, she is as big a lyer as he is. And THAT bitch is
> >going to jail. Just you watch!
> >As to him being a traitor, he agreed to this totally unconstitutional
> >UN “peacekeeping” thing for the Summer Olympics in Atlanta (US
> >Code, Volume XIV, Public Law 81), that makes him a traitor. Add
> >to that his totally illegal and unconstitutional retroactive tax law
> >of 1993 (Article 1, section 9 of the US Constitution. To wit: “No
> >Bill of Attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed.” This is a
> >President who has broken his oath to uphold the Constitution at least
> >twice. If that doesn’t make the slimy bastard a traitor, I don’t know
> >what does.
> >As to what I’m going to do about it. WE Americans are going to vote the
> >asshole out, that’s what were going to do about it!
>
> >As to blowing smoke. I’ll leave that to you. You Jews have made a religion
> >out of it.
>
> >George Graves
>
> You are a sad, pathetic little man, Mr. Graves.
>
> Phil Nicholls

Why, because I have pointed out chapter and verse where Clinton has
violated his Oath of Office? In other words, as a liberal, you don’t
care that Clinton has violated the Constitution as long as he advances
the liberal agenda.

George Graves

From [email protected] Sun Jan 14 20:04:40 PST 1996
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From: George Graves <[email protected]>
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Eric Berlin wrote:
>
> [email protected] (D B McCullagh) had this to say:
>
> >————————————————————————–
>
> >Jan 9 — BOSTON (AP) — White supremacist groups that once spread their
> >racist messages at rallies and in leaflets are now going high-tech
> >on the Internet — a trend a leading Jewish human rights group wants
> >to stop.
> > The Simon Weisenthal Center on Tuesday began sending hundreds of
> >letters to Internet access providers asking them to refuse to carry
> >messages that “promote racism, anti-Semitism, mayhem and
> >violence.”…
>
> I suppose it’s useless to argue this with some people, but do you
> notice that the SWC is *asking* *the Internet providers* not to
> supply access to such groups?
>
> This is a far cry from *demanding* *the government* to stop such
> activities. In other words, the SWC efforts are a far cry from
> censorship.

You Jews have a wonderful gift of twisting reality to fit your own evil
agenda, don’t you? Asking internet providers to deny access to groups
with which you do not agree is ASKING FOR CENSORSHIP any way you
cut it. If a provider complies, the provider is censoring their customers.
No amount of Jewish obfuscation can hide that point.

George Graves

From [email protected] Sun Jan 14 20:04:41 PST 1996
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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Christopher J. Burian) writes:
>
> >[email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) writes:
>
> >]Oooo, poor baby. Can’t take criticism from the Wiesenthal Center?
>
> >]Suffer.
>
> >]And do look up the words “censorship” and “criticism” — they’re in different
> >]places in the dictionary for a good reason.
>
> >The illiberal extremists at the Wiesenthal Center are calling for censorship.
>
> Well, no, they’re not. They’re advocating that ISPs behave responsibly;
> they’re not advocating that the government prevent them from not behaving
> responsibly. The notion that any exercise of self-restraint is censorship is
> a pretty silly one.
>
> I don’t know why you folks have such difficulty with the notion that criticism
> is not censorship, but there you have it . . .
>
> ———————————————————————————————————————-
> Joel Rosenberg |

More Jewish curve fitting. If a definition doesn’t fit the circumstances,
change the definition.

George Graves

From [email protected] Sun Jan 14 20:04:42 PST 1996
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David [Dragon] Fiedler wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >This is SO typical of Jews.
>
> Anyone who says something like this is prima facie prejudiced.
>
> David (Dragon) Fiedler Internet:[email protected] Phone:916/677-5870
> Music/flying/cool links! Start at http://spider.lloyd.com/~dragon/david.html
> Bronx Science Alumni Mailing List: [email protected]
> Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

If your cat shreds your sofa and you say “This is so typical of cats”,
does that make you predjudiced against them or does it simply
indicate your familiarity with a cat’s proclevities?

George Graves

From [email protected] Sun Jan 14 20:20:18 PST 1996
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Stacia wrote:
>
> George Graves <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >evil Beavis wrote:
> >>
> >> R.C. Richards wrote:
> >> >
> >> > george has hit the nail on the head! anybody ever notice how the libs
> >> > are real quick to make sure you know they ain’t nigras. whenever we
> >> > get a new lib on the group, that’s the first thing the lib wants to
> >> > make sure we’re clear on. second, only like one or two libs have
> >> > admitted to race mixing–ie, having nigras over to their house–robby
> >> > cascardden and raggedy. the rest of the libs have about as much
> >> > experience with nigras as a man on the moon.
>
> I would like to point out that, while you are known for having a bit of
> a memory problem, I have said numerous times that some of my ancestors
> were slaves brought here from Africa. So, please, add me to the list of
> Rob and Andy.
> It’s interesting that, if you take all the “libs” who have mentioned
> their heritage, a large chunk of them aren’t as full of Aryan Goodness
> ™ as you are wont to claim. I’d even imagine that, if you went past
> your grandparents on your family tree, you’d be surprised. Maybe even
> shocked.
>
> evil Beavis:
> >> I for one merely stated I am white because as soon as I made it clear that I
> >> think your delusions about “supremacy” are idiotic, you automatically assumed
> >> I had to be black.
>
> Georgie:
> >But Stefan, if race means nothing why would you care if Les
> >or anyone else “assumed you were black”?
>
> Anyone who posts on here has to automatically assume race does mean
> something, if only to the members of the White Power set. If race means
> *something* to you, then us “libs” have to operate within that thought.
> It doesn’t mean we personally think like you do, we simply acknowledge
> that people like you put a lot of thought into skin color.
> Btw, Georgie, if you can’t read what eB writes for yourself, I hardly
> think we have to explain it to you over and over again. Maybe I’m just a
> glutton for punishment.
>
> Stacia

You libs do this all of the time. NOT SKIN COLOR. Its not that simple (as
you would like to believe). There are blacks who have lighter skins than
some whites, so skin pigment isn’t it. There is more to race than skin
color, if there weren’t, there would be no need for a NG like this one.
There are racial characteristics that have to do with physical appearance,
and then there are racial characteristics that pertain to how one’s brain
is wired. Different racial groups think differently on some level. They
percieve things in fundamentally different ways. Its a lot like the
differences between men and women in the same race, it is acknowledged
by both sexes, since time immemorial, that the sexes are “wired”
differently. It has been the subject for comedian’s jokes and more than
a little domestic strife as long as men and women have been together.
We put up with it because of the sexual requirement that causes us to
need one another.
With race, these differences are even greater. Some of it is hard-wired
into the racial group, and this will never change, but much of this perceived
difference is cultural. I don’t think that anyone has been able to successfully
quantify this or even to ascertain what portion of racial differences are
attributable to hard-wired thought patterns and how much to cultural
differences.
The problem with interracial relations is that at any primal level, no one
NEEDS people of another race. Men and women, as I have said earlier, need
each other for the continuation of the species. We may shake our heads at
differences we see in the way each other thinks, but we accept it and put
up with it because we need each other. No such basic mutual need exists
between the races. It would help if we could minimize the cultural
differences by complete assimilation, but the currently fashionable idea
that you liberals support about multiculturalism, takes the pressure off
of non-whites to assimilate. In earlier times, in this country, an
immigrant (or even a native black) was encouraged at every turn to shed
the culture of his forefathers, and embrace the culture found in his
new land. He soon realized that, unless he lived in a ghetto of people
predominately of his own culture, he was forced to learn to read and
speak English. To become an American citizen (something he was
pressured to do, especially where he worked), the immigrant had to
learn some English (most immigrants went to night school), and
he had to understand the workings of his new government, and to
know American history. All of this is changed. Today, if you talk to a
recently naturalized American citizen (assuming he can speak any
English at all) and ask him what he thinks of the Constitution, you
will, almost invariably, receive a blank stare in return. They have no
idea of what their rights as citizens are, or from whence they emminate.
Blacks are told to proud of their culture, and hold on to it. The result
is a gulf between blacks and whites that is larger today than at any
time in our history. The idea of multiculturalism is dangerous to any
country where it is practised because it undermines the idea that all
of the inhabitants of a country are united to solve the problems and
meet the challenges faced by that country. It creates sub-cultures
which are neither understood nor wholly tolerated by either the
general population, or other sub-cultures within that population. No
country which embraces multiculturalism can survive, because its
unravelling is inherent in the concept.

George Graves

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[email protected] wrote:
>
> Are you totally brainless or not there is no possitive discrimination or
>
> negative discrimination it is all the same
> discrimination is always a negative social and cultural manifestation
> But why am I trying to explain this to you it is obvious that your fascist head
>
> didn’t come with brains so you will have problems understanding.
>
> As for you and your Ideas: I do not think that scum like you will ever gain the
>
> needed support to achieve what you want because WE are still here and WE are
>
> going to terminate you and your fascist buddies one by one
>
> Best wishes and a very painfull death to all fascists who read this
>
> –MAKE MY DAY AND SHOOT A FASCIST–
>
> –EVERY NORMAL HUMAN–

In today’s world, you liberals are the fascists. Look up the word, then
think about it…. if you can.

George Graves

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MORRISON KEITH MURRAY wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]> George Graves <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >>
> >> >Stop beating a dead horse Anderson, You were wrong, not me. Lenin was a
> >> >Jew. J.P. Morganthau was a Jew. and Elizabeth MEYER Graham is a Jewess.
> >>
> >> So you admit you had the publishers wrong? Good. Acceptance is the first
> >> step. Now, if we can just get you to understand the concept of “proof” we
> >> may have some real progress here.
> >>
> >> —
> >> Keith Morrison
> >> [email protected]
>
> >No jerk, I do not have the publishers wrong. Anderson does. Go back and
> >read the post where I shot him down!
>
> I did. You did, he didn’t and you never even came close.
>
> —
> Keith Morrison
> [email protected]

OK, then that must mean that you have the real names of these publishers.
Let’s have them, Morrison.
It must mean that you know for sure that Lenin and Morgan weren’t Jews,
Let us see your proof Morrison?
I eagerly await your reply.

George Graves

From [email protected] Mon Jan 15 00:02:19 PST 1996
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Steve Deluca wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> > (Les Griswold) wrote:
> >
> > > > i thought you were in favor of free speech, kenny.
> > >
> > > He doesn’t. He believes in free speech, SORTA, as long as it only extends
> > > to people who use it “responsibly” (that is also left up to his definition)
> >
> > Actually the responsible use of free speech is enshrined in the
> > constitution. Free speech is not now and has never been without limits.
> > That you think it is is demonstrative of your ignorance.
>
> And that’s why our Constitution isn’t worth shit. Because
> pressure groups can stifle speech simply by dragging
> individuals through court at the taxpayers expense.
> Freedom of speech does not exist at all in our Constitution
> if there are unreasonable and subjective limits placed on
> it.
>
> Am I wrong?
>
> steve

Yes, you are very wrong! The government of the United States cannot
criminally prosecute you for ANYTHING you say (except to threaten
the life of the President, but that hasn’t been tested in the Supreme
Court yet, and when it is, will most likely, be found unconstitutional).
If a pressure group takes you to court for slander or for libel, its a
civil matter between you and the plaintiff. The taxpayers do not get
involved as the loser must pay all court costs.

George Graves

From [email protected] Mon Jan 15 00:02:56 PST 1996
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Michael Paterson wrote:
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> >evil Beavis wrote:
>
> >>Furthermore, I don’t think I would go trough the trouble
> >>> to marry someone just to prove I’m politically correct.
>
> [email protected] (Racial Theorist) wrote:
>
> >i think you’re lying, and i’m sorry to hear that.
>
> Boy, I can’t think of anyone better qualified to judge after reading
> your records at Nizkor, but as a professional interrogator of several
> years experience, I don’t honestly believe he is.
>
> As a professional note, I have detected you, Griswold and Graves all
> lying in the posts present in this NG alone.
===============================================================
OK shithead, Name the posts, quote the lies, and then porve it!
===============================================================
> If this were Berlin, you’d be on your way over to see Sergeant-Major
> Thompson right now; the best hangman the British Army ever had. Never
> had a sinmgle head come off in all his career!
===============================================================
Yeah, and I’d like to meet you face to face. Its not settled yet who would
come out on top either!

George Graves
>
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail

From [email protected] Mon Jan 15 10:18:35 PST 1996
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Matt Giwer wrote:
>
> In article <4d4i07$9n[email protected]>, [email protected] (Michael Paterson) says:
>
> >Is there any possibility that you people might start murdering each
> >other? I’m always on the outlook for some sort of good news to look
> >forward to.
> >
> >And what about the native Indians? The only American general that
> >even came close to Crazy Horse was George Patton. The American
> >Indians invented every way of cooking potatos and corn and invented
> >barbecue sauce. They, like the Jews, came up with the idea of One God;
> >the only two peoples in world to do so, but I notice they never get
> >any credit for it. And they sure kicked the shit out of the “white
> >race” until sheer weight of numbers did them in.
>
> It is strange to think that anyone would ant to give or take credit
> for the death and destruction that has resulted for the one god concept.

Yeah, but smart people come up with the idea of NO god. Just a universe
obeying the laws of physics.

George Graves

From [email protected] Mon Jan 15 17:09:22 PST 1996
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Frank Weltner wrote:
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> The Frontal Lobes of Blacks are 12% Smaller than those of Whites
>
> Quoted from Stanley Burnham’s 3rd edition of America’s Bimodal Crisis:
> Black Intelligence in White Society, Foundation for Human Understanding,
> Athens, Georgia, 1993, p 9.:
>
> “Earlier studies also discussed in Chapter 4 likewise suggest the
> possibility of more dramatic structural differences between black and
> white brains, primarily in the prefrontal region where cognitive thinking
> takes place. Here black brain sizes might be as much as 12 percent smaller
> than comparable portions of white brains. Since the cerebral cortex plays
> an inhibitory role with lower brain centers, it may be suggested that an
> imbalance favorable to these lower brain centers very likely produces
> significant variations in conscious behavior additional to the burden of
> cognitive deficiency. Greater restlessness may be anticipated, as well as
> heightened aggressiveness, quicker emotions better rhythm and
> coordination, a more active libido, etc. On one hand there would be less
> capacity for cognitive performance, and on the other hand more emotional
> “noise” to distract the mind from engaging in this performance. This
> relative imbalance perhaps helps to explain many of the behavioral
> differences emphasized by Rushton* as well as the “time-preference
> differences” Michael Levin** (1991) finds in the tendency among many
> blacks to favor immediate impulse at the expense of long-range goals.”
>
> *Rushton, J. P., and Bogaert, A. F. Race versus social class differences
> in sexual abehaviro: A follow-up test of the r/K dimension. Journal of
> Researchin Personality, 1988, 22, 249-272.
>
> **Levin, M. Race differences: An overview. The Journal of Social,
> Political and Economic Studies, 1991, 16,195-216.
>
Good post Frank. This certainly explains a lot of black ccharacteristics.
You realize, of course, that the multiculturalists here are gonna come
down upon you like a host of avenging angels, don’t you? They claim to
want documented proof, but when you deliver it, they wander all over
the map coming up with this that and the other reason why it can’t be
so. Just look at my documentation on UN troops patroling Atlanta
during the comming Olympics being against US law. I cited the laws
being broken, didn’t mean a thing to them. One of them wanted to know
why the UN would want to take over Atlanta! Another said “So What”,
like abrogating our sovereignty as a nation was no big deal. Just be
prepared, that’s all. Idiots don’t want THE truth, they want THEIR
truth, nothing else matters to them.

George Graves

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Fresh816 wrote:
>
> Lenin was an ethnic Russian, stupido, you can tell just by looking at him.
>
> TROTSKY was a Jew–one of our finest, too.

It figures that you Jews would look up to a Bolshevik, since Marxism is
a Jewish invention. Do you also consider Beria one of your finest?

George Graves

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Fresh816 wrote:
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> Georgie-girl,
>
> If you’ve got all the proof you want, then post it, coward, or shut up.
>
> I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN
>
> See, I can be childish, too, if I want to be.
>
> POST YOUR PROOF, MOTHERFUCKER

Why don’t you just read “The Unseen Hand” By A Ralph Epperson. It contains
all the proof that one can find about this sub-rosa conspiracy.
By the way, what did you win? Does that mean if you are wrong
and Les and I are right, your “winning” will make the truth go away? If
This is true, then I congradulate you, but I don’t think so.

George Graves

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Frank Weltner wrote:
>
> In article <820[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> :In article <[email protected]> > : [email protected] “Frank Weltner” writes:
> :
> :> Africa has been destroyed by Africans. The Sahara is moving south, and the
> :> ignorant natives are still cutting down the few trees and blades of grass
> :> that would help keep it from enlarging. Europeans cannot be blamed for
> :> Africans being so ignorant. They were that way before we arrived.
> :
> :Europeans have cut down their forests as well.
> :
> :The proportion of UK land area which is forest has halved this century.
> :
> :Other European countries have done the same thing to their forests.
> :
> :Caesar
>
> These trees were not holding the desert back. In fact, Germany has a
> record of having planted more trees than were originally in their country.
> Most valleys, except wine valleys and farms are totally forested. There
> are trees everywhere. The United Kingdom’s land was utilized to raise
> sheep for manufacture of clothes. There are no deserts there, either. As
> for so much deforestation in the UK, I am wondering where you got those
> figures? I have flown overhead and driven from south to north on the
> Island and there is not indication that trees were a big part of the
> ecology, mostly grasses and mosses and peat.
>
> The point of my post about the Sahara Desertification of Africa is that
> the Africans are so dumb they take the few trees that are left to the
> North to halt HUGE sand domes staring them in the face. They don’t care.
> They just take what few little trees are there and burn them for fuel. So,
> the desert advances, pushing them farther South, and a tree will never
> grow there again. Rather stupid, don’t you think? Trees have the roots and
> trunks to hold back those dunes. I mean, isn’t there a difference when you
> know that little tree is all that stands between you and the desert, but
> you just don’t give enough of a damn not to kill it?
>
> I believe this is another bull headed African view and the thinness of the
> rationale is typical of a people with sloping foreheads with little room
> for the development of the frontal lobes and provides 12% less forward
> gray matter in the cerebrum than the rest of us have. The tribalism of
> thinking that letting the desert move farther south and to allow it take
> over the whole continent is similar to the thinking of liberals who have
> continued to give away our cities to vicious black savages who are third
> world people, saying, “Soon, they will stop.” But they don’t. After all,
> when only 2.3% of your people have IQ’s of 115 (a C- average in college)
> or above, you have a problem, a mental problem. You Africans are more
> tribal and less individualistic than Euro-people. You shirk
> responsibility, blame the Europeans, and pull out the trees in your
> homeland, trees that stop the Sahara from killing your country. Pretty
> ignorant. Blame the Europeans? Most of these people never SAW a European.
> Makes no sense to me, except to farther prove that Africans in America
> can’t think as well as whites do. That’s why you will never succeed here
> in great numbers and need to retire into small country garden farms and
> raise food and try to enjoy yourselves in self-reliance. We are tired of
> you. Period.
>
> I hope that this is not interpreted as politically incorrect material. It
> is simply a scientific observation.
>
> I mean, really.

Frank, just a question. You state that a 115 IQ is equal to just below
average (C- average in college is how you actually put it). I was under
the impression that, by definition, the average IQ of the general population
is always 100. Is this incorrect? Its what the MENSA literature says, and
they administer the standard Stanford-Binet IQ test to prospective
members. Please clarify.

George Graves

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George Graves

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George Graves

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Susan Groppi wrote:
>
> william c anderson ([email protected]) wrote:
> : George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : : Nothing concrete. But I talk to a lot of people from all walks of life. Most
> : : agree with me about multiculturalism.
>
> : We’re not talking about multiculturalism here, George; I have no doubt
> : that a majority of people in the country say they disapprove of that.
>
> I’m confused. How are we defining “multiculturalism”? I personally
> define it as “acceptance of the modes of thought and cultural biases of
> other cultural groups”, and by that definition it’s not a bad thing. By
> that definition, in fact, I would question your statement that the
> majority of people in the country disapprove. So what’s your defintion
> of multiculturalism?
>
> — Susan
>
> ——————————————–
> Susan Marie Groppi — [email protected]
> “It soon became apparent, despite the lack
> — of library paste, that something had —
> —- happened to the vicar.” –E. Gorey —
> ——————————————–

Multiculturalism is the belief in a plural society. One in which all cultures
are encouraged to practice that culture rather than become assimilated; to
celebrate the differences between cultures rather than bond together as
one nation using the strength of our sameness as the bonding agent. It is
characterized by multilingual signs in places other than international
airports, by multilingual voting materials and school materials. It is
characterized by hyphenated group names, ending in “-American”, instead
of just American. It is caused by unbriddled immigration of people who
neither understand nor care to learn the American culture coupled with
a destructive notion that people should no longer be made to assimilate
into the culture of the majority. It is wrong, it is dangerous, and it will
ultimately result in the desruction of this culture and of this country.

George Graves

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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>
> In article <30FA4EA[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Fresh816 wrote:
> > >
> > > Lenin was an ethnic Russian, stupido, you can tell just by looking at him.
> > >
> > > TROTSKY was a Jew–one of our finest, too.
> >
> > It figures that you Jews would look up to a Bolshevik, since Marxism is
> > a Jewish invention. Do you also consider Beria one of your finest?
>
> Why do you say Marxism is a “Jewish invention,” Graves? Because _you_
> insist that Marx was Jewish because the _Protocols_, the czarist secret
> police forgery that it was, _says_ that Marxism was a Jewish plot? (Or
> becuse Hilter, who was indoctrinated by Rosenberg who believed in the
> _Protocols_, says it was?)
>
> FYI, Graves, Marx’s father, Heinrich, was a Jewish lawyer who had
> converted his family to Christianity. Karl Marx was baptized in the
> Evangelical church. By the standard of the times this made him a
> Christian. It wasn’t until the first supplementary decree of the Reich
> Citizenship Law in 1935 that it was “legally” determinable that anyone
> with at least _three_ full Jewish grandparants was a Jew. Or those with
> _two_ full Jewish grandparants _and_ who belonged to the Jewish religious
> community was a Jew.
>
> Also, any person who had _two_ Jewish grandparents but who was _not_
> affiliated with the Jewish religion, and not married to a Jew, was
> considered “part-Jew,” or a Mischling (first degree). Those with only
> _one_ Jewish grandparent was considered a Mischling (second degree).
>
> Of course, such classifications were retroactive _only_ to September 15,
> 1935. (That’s 52 years _after_ Marx’s death, BTW.)
>
> Now, exactly, again, how was Marx a Jew? And by what “standards” do you
> assert that he was? Yours?
>
> Mark

The seed of Abraham.
BTW, The “Protocols”, do not, as I remember, mention Marx by name even
once. Your post is interesting to those who did not know that Marx
was a geshmott Jew, but irrelevent to the point I was making (to a Fresh816
by the way, not to you).

George Graves

From [email protected] Tue Jan 16 08:27:45 PST 1996
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MORRISON KEITH MURRAY wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]> George Graves <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >> >No jerk, I do not have the publishers wrong. Anderson does. Go back and
> >> >read the post where I shot him down!
> >>
> >> I did. You did, he didn’t and you never even came close.
> >>
>
> >OK, then that must mean that you have the real names of these publishers.
> >Let’s have them, Morrison.
> >It must mean that you know for sure that Lenin and Morgan weren’t Jews,
> >Let us see your proof Morrison?
> >I eagerly await your reply.
>
> No, sorry, that is not how it works. You made the claim, *you* prove it. A
> list of names doesn’t tell me anything, nor does the simple assertion,
> without proof, that someone belings to some religious group or another.
>
> —
> Keith Morrison
> [email protected]

Sorry Morrison, you have that backwards! You allege that what I posted was
incorrect. If I reposted that same material, it would get the debate
nowhere. Since it is your allegation that MY facts are wrong, it is then
up to you, the accuser, to show me where they are wrong by posting your
contrary evidence.

George Graves

From [email protected] Tue Jan 16 08:27:46 PST 1996
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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
>
> william c anderson ([email protected]) wrote:
> : George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
> : : MORRISON KEITH MURRAY wrote:
>
> : : > Well, the adults are laughing at you.
>
> : : How would you know? The adults won’t let you in the same room with them.
>
> : George, if you don’t want the adults to laugh at you, shouldn’t you
> : explain why your definitive expose of the Jooish Konspiracy mis-named
> : the publishers of the Atlanta Constitution, the Los Angeles Times and
> : the Washington Post and falsely asserted that V.I. Lenin and J.P. Morgan
> : were Jewish? Here in the adult world, we try to be accountable for our
> : mistakes…
>
> True. But liars will move mountains to avoid being made accountable
> for their falsehoods.

I’ll tell you what I told Morrison. If the personel at these papers have
changed since my source was compiled, then it is your duty as the
accuser to post the contrary evidence. Its the easiest thing in the world
to tell someone they are wrong without producing the evidence of their
error.

George Graves

From [email protected] Tue Jan 16 08:27:47 PST 1996
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Michael Paterson wrote:
>
> >> >>Fresh816 wrote:
> >> >> There’s no conspiracy. You’re just a Jew-baiting idiot.
>
> >> >George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >OK Dickhead, I’ll play you’re silly game. Prove it to us!
>
> >> Michael Paterson wrote:
> >> George, just shuffle down to the library for God’s sake! You said you
> >> don’t want to go over old stuff again and neither does anyone else.
>
> >George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Of course not, BECAUSE YOU CAN’T!!!
>
> George, we trampled these grapes before. If there IS a conspiracy,
> it’s the slowest conspiracy in the history of mankind. According to
> your historical review, the Jews started planning it back in the 1880s
> or thereabouts. World War I came and went, Germany changed
> governments several times, settling finally for the Nazis; the Commies
> set up shop in Russia, World War II came and went, the Nazis, the
> Commies, the British Empire all went down the tubes, etc, etc, etc.
>
> George, what are these people WAITING for? A sign from Heaven?
>
> Mi\cheil Rob Mac Pha\druig
> druidh/duine-uasail

The Eternal Jew has all the time in the world. And its 2000 years, not
“since 1880” (1892, actually).

George Graves

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Frank Weltner wrote:
>
> :George Graves <[email protected]> writes:
> :< snip >
> :>> >
> :>> > No, you’d rather “watch from the sidelines” and survive a Jewish takeover!
> :>> > Remember, that “One World” and “World Government” that you keep hearing
> :>> > about is a euphemism for “World Zionism”.
> :>> >
> :>> > George Graves
> :>>
> :>> Graves, the only reason anybody ever hears the phrases “One World” and
> :>> “World Government” is because fruitcakes like you scream it at the top of
> :>> their lungs.
>
> :George, you must be monumentally dim. Until very recently the U.N. held
> :that Zionism was equivalent to racism. Who was behind this, World Jewry?
> :I’d like to see you rationalize that one. The resolution equating Zionism
> :with racism was the product ofthe non-aligned states, arab states and the
> :soviets. I guess in your demented world view, somehow the Jews were behind
> :the resolution after all to cleverly fool everybody, and the arabs, non-
> :alignds, and soviets were all Jewish dupes.
> :
> :Ethan Stein
> :
> Excellent proof of the Jews NOT having influence in the UN. Ten points
> awarded for effectiveness. Good work. God bless the Jews.
>
Artifice and deception are the twin pillars supporting the World Zionist
Conspiracy. Yes, they will say anything, do anything to cover their tracks.

George Graves

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Olga from the volga wrote:
>
> George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Fresh816 wrote:
> >>
> >> Lenin was an ethnic Russian, stupido, you can tell just by looking at him.
> >>
> >> TROTSKY was a Jew–one of our finest, too.
>
> >It figures that you Jews would look up to a Bolshevik, since Marxism is
> >a Jewish invention. Do you also consider Beria one of your finest?
>
> >George Graves
>
> It figures that you Christians would get on you knees to a Jew every
> Sunday.

Sorry, I’m an athiest.

George Graves

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Mark Staloff wrote:
>
> George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : Yes, you are very wrong! The government of the United States cannot
> : criminally prosecute you for ANYTHING you say (except to threaten
> : the life of the President, but that hasn’t been tested in the Supreme
> : Court yet, and when it is, will most likely, be found unconstitutional).
>
> Can we use this one against Jesse Helms?
>
> Mark
Its (still) a free country, you can certainly try.

George Graves

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Les Griswold wrote:
>
> Saving space by replying to TWO messages at once!
>
> Michael Paterson ([email protected]) writes:
> > Laura Finsten <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>[email protected] (Les Griswold) wrote:
> >
> >>>MY point is, neither of them (ie, Ito and Darden, or was it Cochrane) would
> >>>have been allowed to come within 500 miles of a racially healthy, aware U.S.
> >>>But thanks to the jews, we not only have non-whites in our society, we
> >>>also have the perverse situation where non-whites are sometimes in
> >>>positions of authority over whites, which is intolerable.
> >
> >>Please explain in detail how you arrive at the conclusion that “thanks to
> >>jews [sic], we not only have non-whites in our society…”. Hint:
> >>tell me what your sources are on data about immigration, policy makers
> >>and implementers of policy about immigration. Please illuminate me and
> >>other readers about how you arrive at the conclusion that “thanks to the
> >>jews [sic]…non-whites are sometimes in positions of authority over
> >>whites”…
>
> It’obvious: OBSERVATION. I know that many of the jews and semitophiles
> will get all cutesy on me and argue that my own empirical evidence is an
> insufficient basis for the conclusion that jews and non-whites go
> hand-in-hand, but I’M satisfied with my observations and my own study, and
> frankly, I couldn’t care less if it meets with your approval.
>
> >>I won’t ask you why you think this is intolerable. That, I will grant you,
> >>is self-evident.
> >
> > More than a whiff of racism about that last comment, I fear, Ms.
> > Finsten…
>
> Well, DUH!
>
> You seem to be shockingly ignorant of a basic fact: jews are the most
> racist people around, only they get really honked when anyone is racist
> against THEM. THAT’S bad. But they couldn’t give a damn about racism
> against non-whites, who are ONLY useful to them as a battering-ram.
>
> Les
>
Les, these people keep asking for proof of a conspiracy! They want names
dates, events. They are so dumb that they don’t even realize that if this
information could be had by simple research, IT WOULDN”T BE A
CONSPIRACY (not the successful one that it is, anyway)!
By the way, you probably have reached the same conclusions that I have
reached by the same methods. It just goes to prove that if one opens ones’
eyes to just the POSSIBILITY, the empiracle evidence flows in like the
North Atlantic through the hole in the Titanic.

George Graves

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I’ d like to take this opportunity to make a correction here and to
apologize to anyone at whom I may have flared for bringing it to my
attention. When I was talking about the 1917 Communist Revolution,
I stated that J.P. Morgan, A Jew contributed to it. I got J.P. Morgan
and Henry Morganthau mixed up. (I think I even told someone that
Morgan’s real family name was Morganthau. Such is what a mindset
will do to you) It was Henry MorganThau that I meant when I said
Morgan. J.P. Morgan was not a Jew. It was Morganthau, Guggenhiem. et.
al. who contributed money to Trotsky to help finance the revolution.
Sorry for the slip-up. I wrote all of that stuff from memory, is my
only excuse.

As to Lenin. That he was a Jew is, I guess you would say, sort of an
assumption. I will just quote my source and you can make of it what
you will:
>From “A Bolshevik Life – a Biography of V.I. Lenin” by C.P. E. McMannus,
Alfred Knopf, London, 1932. Page 12.

“……….In the middle 1870’s, Lenins father, a schoolteacher, lost his
position due to the pogroms being carried out in the Simbirsk region at
that time. He changed his name from Olavin to Ulanov in 1876, and
returned to work at a new rectory school outside of the city in 1877.”

To me this looks as if Lenin’s father was fired for being a Jew, and only
found employment after changing his name to a non-Jewish one. I can
think of no other reason why he would have lost his job in a pogrom,
especially since a pogrom was a government perescution of Jews. I
have never heard the term applied to any other group of people.

As for the rest, I stand by it. Time passes names on mastheads change,
but the hidden hand goes on.
My big mistake here was to let you Jews and Jew supporters taunt me
into providing evidence for the existance of a Jewish Conspiracy. I
figured if I just threw out a few names it would be enough to get people
to think about it. I was wrong.
The fact is you can’t find anything but empirical evidence for a successful
conspiracy. If it were simply a matter of strolling down to the library and
picking out names, dates, actions, then it wouldn’t be much of a conspiracy
would it? Certainly none of us on this NG who support the idea of a World
Zionist Conspiracy could prove it in a court of law.
I’m sitting here at my computer looking at an entire bookshelf full of books
about the conspiracy, or aspects of it, collected over a 25 year period.
Many of them make a pretty good case for it, but again, nothing that would
stand-up in a court of law. Its mostly a collection of anti-American, and
anti-goyishe incidents which have been traced back to known Jews. They
only go so far though. The trail always runs dry very close to the source
of the incident.
To me (and Les, and some others) this empircal evidence is enough simply
because there is so much of it. I have no doubts of its existance. the fact
that I can’t prove it doesn’t bother me much, because i know that it can
only be proven from within the conspiracy itself, not from without.
I have taken the time to explain this because I want everyone here to
understand that I will not continue to debate this thing ad nauseum.
I leave you with these following thoughts:

1) In good faith I have posted the “Protocols” for all to read. (I will post
the address once again at the end of this piece). I want everybody who
has not read them to do so. Iwant you to make up your own mind about
them. Pay no attention to what I might say or what any of their detractors
might say. Just read them.

2) Many of the “Protocols” detractors allege that the documents have been
discredited, but if you look through all of their posts, you will not find
one ounce of proof that they are fake. These people say that they are fake
because they are fake, and that’s that.

This is my final word on “evidence” and “proof”. If you want any evidence
or proof, go through the same steps that I have gone through. Educate
yourself in this matter. I will continue to blame World Zionists on this
NG (where appropriate), and when I say “liberal”, Understand that I mean
World Zionists, and World Zionist Supporters. But don’t ask me for evidence,
if I have what I think is irrefutable evidence about something under
discussion I will post it at my on discretion. I will not be baited into
another argument about this subject.

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Ken McVay OBC wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >agenda, don’t you? Asking internet providers to deny access to groups
> >with which you do not agree is ASKING FOR CENSORSHIP any way you
> >cut it. If a provider complies, the provider is censoring their customers.
>
> As a rhetorical point, can you explain how such
> self-regulation would differ from the self-regulation of the
> motion picture industry? While it undeniably keeps explicit
> work out of the mainstream, it certainly isn’t hard to find –
> porn theatres, rental shops, etc. make it easy for anyone
> wanting the sexually-explicit flicks to get them.
>
> It seems to me that if a vendor – ISP’s, in this case – wishes
> to restrict the material on his system, perhaps to attract a
> specific market, why this action would constitute
> “censorship.”
>
> An ISP looking for family-oriented accounts, for instance,
> might not only eliminate the “hate” groups, but the sex groups
> as well. If he fails to attract a market after doing this,
> then his business plan fails, and he’s soon gone.
>
> In the case of the InterNet, it has always been my position
> that any attempt at regulation (read “censorship”) would fail.
> However, if an ISP wants to target a market, why shouldn’t he
> be granted the freedom to do so?
>
> The Wiesenthal Center apparently wants to pursuade ISP’s to
> refuse to accept racist or hate-oriented WWW sites, while
> leaving UseNet alone. That seems a pretty myopic viewpoint
> from where I sit, but they have every right to express their
> desire to the ISP’s.
>
> I think that the SWC’s move in this direction was predictable,
> but ill-considered, and it is bound to fail.
>
> —
> The Nizkor Project: An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
> Anonymous ftp: ftp.almanac.bc.ca
> Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction – permanently!)
> Kenneth McVay OBC. Home Page: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/~kmcvay/

If you think about it, I believe its pretty easy to see. For years the motion
picture industry policed itself because the people of this country made
it clear to them that they wanted the films to remain family fare. So it
was self-control or face extinction. Times change. People’s ideas of what’s
moral change I have been in homes where sub-teen kids use language in
front of their parents that would have gotten me whipped till I couldn’t
sit down, and maybe worse. Today’s films reflect that lax attitude, and
censorship no longer exists, either from within or without the film
industry.
The internet on the other hand isn’t a single industry and everybody with
the means has access to it. The Wiesenthall Center is NOT the entire
internet community, but rather a special interest group (by strict
definition of the term). They do not represent nor do they claim to
represent anything but their own agenda. This agenda is aimed at
gagging a portion of the internet which represents an opposing agenda.
To that end they are requesting that internet providers assist them in
gagging the opposition by censoring that opposition’s freedom of speech.
The Film industry had no illusions that what they were doing was
censorship. They even called Will Hayes “The Censor”. This they did
with the implicit consent of the people, but if the internet providers
choose to censor what opinions they will allow their customers to
post, then they are engaging in a unilateral action with no one’s support
but Wiesenthall’s group. OK?

George Graves

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Lizard wrote:
>
> On Sat, 13 Jan 1996 03:01:47, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg)
> wrote:
>
> >I think we really have some very badly spoiled little nazis running around
> >with their flies open. It isn’t censorship if one or two or twenty ISPs are
> >too fastidious to sell access to them, as long as there’s an ISP out there who
> >isn’t. Not only do these pitiful little assholes expect the rest of us to
> >protect their rights for them, they expect us to make it easy for them to
> >spew their hate all over the place.
> >
> If the Wiesenthal Center succeeds in intimidating providers into
> banning some forms of speech, the next group to come along will have
> it even easier. Any provider who knuckles under to one group of
> whiners will kunckle under to the next, and the next, and the next…
>
> I’d rather have the fascists out where I can see them, not scurrying
> around in the dark.
==================================================================
You’re a little behind the times. Its the denizens of the LEFT who constitute
the fascists these days.

George Graves
===================================================================
>
> >I marvel at the resilience of the Jewish people.
> >Their best characteristic is their desire to remember.
> >No other people has such an obsession with memory.
>
> Then please tell me why, after over thirty years, my Grandmother can’t
> remember that I *loathe* gefilte fish?
> *————————————————————*
> Evolution doesn’t take prisoners:Lizard
> Christmas — Bah! Humbug!:C. Dickens
> URL:http://www.dnai.com/~lizard

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David [Dragon] Fiedler wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >David [Dragon] Fiedler wrote:
>
> >> In article <[email protected]>,
> >> George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >This is SO typical of Jews.
> >>
> >> Anyone who says something like this is prima facie prejudiced.
>
> >If your cat shreds your sofa and you say “This is so typical of cats”,
> >does that make you predjudiced against them or does it simply
> >indicate your familiarity with a cat’s proclevities?
>
> >George Graves
>
> Prejudiced = pre-judgment. I’ve had quite a few cats and none has shredded my
> sofa. For someone to “expect” a cat to shred a sofa because they had some
> notion that it’s typical of them to do so shows that they have already been
> convinced that cats shred sofas. After that, such a person tends to filter out
> accounts of cats that don’t shred sofas, and listen, with agreement, to other
> people’s tales of sofa-shredding cats.
>
> That’s the same way people who don’t like Jews, blacks, women, or (pick your
> minority/ethnic/other group) operate also.
>
> And it’s pretty idiotic to think that someone’s religion would have anything
> to do with their views on Internet censorship…especially Jews, who are
> taught to question everything, even their own leaders.
>
> David (Dragon) Fiedler

I’m not talking about religion, I don’t care about someone’s religious beliefs,
I’m talking about the seed of Abraham.
Postjudiced = post-judgement. I am postjudiced against multiculturalists
and World Zionists.

George Graves

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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>, George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Stop beating a dead horse Anderson, You were wrong, not me. Lenin was a
> > Jew. J.P. Morganthau was a Jew. and Elizabeth MEYER Graham is a Jewess.
>
> Graves, you _really_ must get your names straight!
>
> Is it J.P. Morgan or Henry Morganthau Jr? J.P. Morgan was a _very_ wealthy
> 19th century industrialist. Henry Morganthau Jr. was FDR’s Treasury
> Secretary.
>
> J.P. Morganthau? :::snicker::: (And you seemed _sooo_ positive too!)
>
> And you _really_ expect people to take you seriously? Not a chance.
>
> Mark

Yeah, I got ’em mixed up. I meant Henry Morganthau (Sr.) when I said
J.P. Morgan. Old age working on the memory, you know.

George Graves

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Gord McFee wrote:
>
> >> This fills me with curiousity. Do the revisionazis, humiliated here
> >> daily and shown to be utter asses on a regular basis, really delude
> >> themselves that they’re WINNING this debate? Could anybody really
> >> be that clueless? Is there a precedent for this in the psychological
> >> literature?
>
> >I don’t know what universe you think that you are living in Bill, but in
> >this one, we are most certainly winning “this debate”. I get private
> >E-mail from “lurkers” all the time which tell me that this is so. They
> >tell me how, after initially being put-off by the ‘racist’ side, that they
> >have been gradually won over to our way of thinking by the fact that we
> >make YOU look like utter asses (or is that asses’ udders?) on a daily
> >basis.
>
> Then obviously those “lurkers” are as big idiots as you are. By the way,
> it’s easy to *say* that all those folks are writing you with support.
>
> —
> Gord McFee

Yes, Mr. Race-Traitor, just as easy as it is to say that they are not.

George Graves

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Stewart King wrote:
>
> George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : Atleast you understood the intended sarcasm. Of course being married is
> : no guarantee of heterosexuality, but then the guy who posted the original
> : post gave no proof that Rommel was queer. I am not a Nazi or a Nazi
> : admirer, but Rommel was a great and noble general (in an ignoble cause).
> : To cast aspersions on his manhood simply because you don’t like his
> : politics or the country he loyally served, is just wrongheaded.
>
> Manhood sucks.

Indeed? to whom?

George Graves

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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
>
> George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
> : ===================================================================
> : You are the one who’s wrong Jerk. Donald Graham is K.M. Graham’s
> : HUSBAND. She is both owner and executive publisher. Hubby works for
>
> Er, you mean he’s publishing the paper from beyond the grave? Donald
> Graham is Kay Graham’s _son_
>
> : ====================================================================
> : Haven’t screwed up yet. But its one away for you!
> : ====================================================================
> See above.
>
> —
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> ——————————————————————–
> [email protected]

OK. Hubby’s name was also Donald. Didn’t know the old boy kicked
off. Anyway, the relatinship’s the same K.M owns the thing, is
Executive Publisher, and Sonny Boy works for her. Big deal Same
family. Most of this info about who does what is from books I own
which are more than 10 years old. I don’t have time to keep it
updated. But that shouldn’t matter (except to people who think this
is a game and scoring points is all important). I made the point that
the media is under Jewish control. The names may change with the
passing parade; people get old, retire, die, etc. but the hidden hand
goes on. You want the contemporary stats? I suggest you go get them.
But whether you do or whether you don’t, If what I allege is true, not
finding a pat answer won’t win you anything. If I’m wrong, my 25 years
of studying this went for naught. You don’t have anything to lose here,
so why should you care? I’m tired debating this issue with goyim who
are lining up to be the next holocaust victims.

George Graves

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I had an internet software problem which forced me to save this article
and get out before it was sent. As a result, I don’t remember the original
thread name. Sorry.

Fragano Ledgister wrote:
>
> George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : I’m not going to waste my time teaching American history to you Staloff,
> : but if you check it out, you will find that 1) House was assistant to Wilson.
> : 2) He drafted the legislation at Wilson’s behest. 3) House was a dedicated
>
> Source? (For House drafting the 16th Amendment?
====================================================================
I didn’t say that House drafted the 16th Amendment. I said he drafted
Wilson’s legislation which GAVE us the 16th Amendment. Actually,
the legislation to which i was refering is that which forms the public
law setting up the IRS and the mechanism for taxing income. The 16th
Amendment was the Constitutional amendment allowing this.
====================================================================
>
> : Marxist. 4) Marx said in his Manifesto that the best way to destroy a
>
> Evidence that House was a Marxist?
===================================================================
He states so in “Philip Dru: Administrator” Written by him in 1912, revised
in 1919. See below.
===================================================================
>
> capitalist economy is to introduce a graduated income tax. 5) House wrote
> : the legislation as a GRADUATED income tax, and Congress passed it that
>
> May we have the exact quotation from Marx? (Hint: the ‘progressive
> or graduated income tax’ mentioned in the _Manifesto_ is part of a
> revolutionary programme that also includes ‘Abolition of children’s
> factory labour in its present form.’ Are we supposed to have child
> labour because Marx opposed it?).
====================================================================
You’re obfuscating the issue. If Marx says that the best way to bring down
a capitalist society is with a graduated income tax, and if the author of
the American tax system is a self-proclaimed Marxist, and follows the
Marxian model for the income tax he is proposing, then one can gather that
his motives are Marxian as well. It doesn’t require spelling-out to
understand that (at least for most of us).
====================================================================
>
> : way thus giving us the beloved 16th Amendment. 6) Marx was wrong. The
>
> The Sixteenth Amendment reads, in its entirety:
>
> The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on
> incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment
> among the several States, and without regard to any census
> or enumeration.
>
> Now, where, in these 30 words, do you find the specifics of the
> income tax? Hint: none of the advocates of a flat income tax is
> talking about a constitutional amendment.
====================================================================
=
Try looking in the US code books for that, not the Constitution. If every law
of the land were reflected in the Constitution, by the number of amendments
one finds there, on could gather that Congress doesn’t do very much, and in
fact has done nothing since 1971 (the date of the last ratified amendment).
While there are many who might say that I am right here :), the bulk of US
law is not Constitutional in nature. I don’t have a set of the US code here at
my fingertips (its twenty-some volumes), if you are interested in the actual
phrasing of House’s legislation (as passed), I suggest that any library would
have this.
====================================================================
===
>
> : graduated income tax did not destroy this capitalist economy, but House
> : didn’t know that when he proposed it.
>
> Marx included the graduated income tax as part of the programme of a
> revolutionary government, he nowhere says that it is the best way,
> or any kind of way, to destroy, abolish or overturn capitalism.
====================================================================
===
Go back and read it again. I will do the same. I think you will find that he
did indeed make that statement.
====================================================================
===
>
> : Are you aware that House was the key founder of the CFR (Council on
> : Foreign Relations)? In his book, “Philip Dru: Administrator”, House
> : explained that the main purpose of the CFR was to promote “Socialism
> : as dreamed of by Karl Marx”. The CFR was the main promoter of the
>
> May we have sources for these statements, the appropriate citations,
> and the appropriate quotes?
====================================================================
===
Aren’t you being redundant? I gave you the title of House’s book and quoted
the
relevent passage.
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===
>
> : United Nations. 43 of the US members of the founding delegation at the
> : UN founding conference were or would become CFR members. All of those
> : members of the delegation who were already CFR members, were, like
> : House, Jewish. Thus bringing this discussion full circle.
====================================================================
====
>
> Again, may we have your evidence for this? Since you’ve lied about
> Marx and the Sixteenth Amendment, I think you need to bolster your
> statements, otherwise not even your fellow Nazis will believe you
> after a while.
====================================================================
=====
I haven’t lied about anything. You misinterpreted what you read. If I’m
at any fault here, its in giving you the benefit of the doubt at being smart
enough to figure out what was being discussed.
Here’s your reference:

“The Council On Foreign Relations: A Record Of Twenty-Five Years,
1921-1946″
By John W. Davis (New York: Council On Foreign Relations, 1947.) And” The
Shadows of Power : The Council On Foreign Relations and the American
Decline”
By James Perloff, 1988. As quoted in “Global Tyranny…. Step By Step” By
William F.
Jasper. Western Islands, Publisher 1992. Library of Congress #92-081764.
Pages 46-47.

” In January 1943, Secretary of State, Cordell Hull formed a steering
Committee
composed of himself, Leo Pasvlosky, Isaiah Bowman, Sumner Wells, Norman
Davis,
And Morton Taylor. All of these men – with the exception of Wells – were
members
of the CFR. Later known as the Informal Agenda Group, they drafted the
original
proposal for the United Nations. It was Bowman – a founder of the CFR, and
member
of Colonel (E. Mandel) House’s old “Inquiry” – who first put forth the concept
of the
U.N. as a WORLD-GOVERNING (my emphesis-GG) “peace’ organization.”

I don’t mind discussing this, but perhaps it should be on another NG. My
original motive for posting here was the Jew/UN connection (House,
CFR) which would be race related, but if we are going to discuss the UN
perhaps you can suggest another venue?

George Graves
====================================================================
======

> : George Graves
>
> —
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> ——————————————————————–
> [email protected]

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Eric Berlin wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Christopher J. Burian) had this to say:
>
> >[email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) writes:
>
> >]I think we really have some very badly spoiled little nazis running around
> >]with their flies open. It isn’t censorship if one or two or twenty ISPs are
> >]too fastidious to sell access to them, as long as there’s an ISP out there who
> >]isn’t.
>
> >It isn’t racial discrimination when one or two or twenty supermarkets refuse
> >to allow blacks in their stores as long as there’s a grocery out there that
> >will. Right?
>
> Wrong… especially if its the only supermarket in town. This
> metaphor fails when compared to the ISPs, because there are
> hundreds of them across the country, and any one of them can be
> accessed from anywhere else.

That is only true if one is willing to bear the cost of the LD phone bills.
Most people aren’t. Even at “Ten-cents a minute”, it would take only a
couple of hours per month for the phone bill to handily outstrip the ISP
bill.

George Graves

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Stewart King wrote:
>
> Ourobouros ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : The Indian civilization was started by the Arya, an Aryan people.
>
> I’ve yet to get this straight, but I’m under the impression that white
> people aren’t technically Aryan.
>
> : Egypt was started by white people.
>
> Studies of skulls in the Nile valley show that about one third of the
> people who started the earliest Egyptian civilization were racially Negroid.
> I have references to cite on demand but they’re in another section of the
> building right now and I’m lazy.
>
> : Mesopotamia, according to one book I’ve read recently (Myths from
> : Mesopotamia Creation, The Flood, Gilgamesh and Others) the Priests had
> : blue blooded daughters. Most probably you’re ignorant of base reality
> : and cannot fathom blue blood out, but here is a clue, which race has
> : blue veins?
>
> Wow, that’s concrete.
>
> : China is more difficult, but if you care to examine their history,
> : they weren’t handled by yellow Emperors either…
>
> I should hope not. Perverts.
>
> Come the fuck on. China ruled by white people? Get a big clue and snort
> it, sleep for eight hours, and see who’s in bed with you. Don’t be silly
> like me.
>
> : The Sub-Saharan civilizations were started by people from the North, guess
> : who lay north?
>
> Arabs? And they weren’t _started_ by northerners, just heavily
> influenced. They all miscegenated and then made civilizations. Odd how
> that works out sometimes.
>
> : The South American people, have you ever read Thor Heyerdahl’s works,
> : he beside a number of academics believe that the builders of
> : civilization were in fact, white (Thor Heyerdahl actually proved it was
> : possible).
>
> By doing it himself. I read that book as a kid, it was awesome. Kon
> Tiki, was it? Something like that. Rafts and shit. But white? I
> thought he was just doing it like Polynesians. There’s evidence of
> Chinese or other Asian influence in south america (elephant pictures and
> suchlot), but I’m unaware of white signs.
>
> : Please prove that the Ainu were Caucasiod white.

> —
> Stewart King

Thor Heyerdahl’s theories have been largely overturned by more recent
anthropological and archaelogical findings. He proved (in “Kon-Tiki”) only
that early Polynesians COULD have emmigrated from the west coast of
South America by raft, not that they DID so. It now seems pretty conclusive
that the early Polynesians came from Southeast Asia. Heyerdahl’s books
are, alas, just good documentary adventure stories.

George Graves

From [email protected] Tue Jan 16 22:03:26 PST 1996
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James White wrote:
> =

> On Jan 14, 1996 15:35:46 in article feather!>, ‘George Graves <[email protected]>’ wrote:
> =

> =

> >Yeah and the threats they make. Secret dossiers (which have yet to appea=
r,
> =

> >I’m not holding my breath) and veiled threats of physical violence. Show=
s
> >how bankrupt the ideas of the liberal multiculturalists really are!
> =

> =

> There is no reason to threaten you, you are so dumb that you will kill
> yourself by falling through your own asshole on to RuntLes. What is a
> liberal multiculturalist? Where did that appellation come from? Did you=

> think it up all by your self or did you parrot it from the “ugly runtLes”=
?
> I cannot imagine that you would ever come up with an original idea becaus=
e
> you are gravely stupid. Have you ever in your life ever had an original
> idea? Liberal multiculturalist is so worn out that it conveys no meaning=
=2E
> Germans have a name for your type, you are “untermenchen”, which in Engli=
sh
> means subhuman,
> =

> =

> —
> =

> Zu den guten Deutschen Leuten und Kultur Friede, Liebt und Verst=E4ndnis.=

> =

> James W. White

Look who’s talking about being dumb and stupid. If I’m subhuman, Mr. =

Unaware, then you must be non-human, you know, like a cockroach?

George Graves

From [email protected] Tue Jan 16 23:06:26 PST 1996
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Laura Finsten wrote:
>
> George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >The government of the United States cannot
> >criminally prosecute you for ANYTHING you say (except to threaten
> >the life of the President, but that hasn’t been tested in the Supreme
> >Court yet, and when it is, will most likely, be found unconstitutional).
>
> Yes, the “land of the free and the home of the brave”. Brilliant ideas like
> “death to the Jews” can be screamed in the faces of Nazi-death camp survivors
> with impunity. Even the most vile bilge spilling out of the mouths of hate-
> filled bigots is considered to be “free speech”.

That’s right! Freedom of Speech is like being pregnant Ms. Finsten. There
is no in between. You are or you aren’t. You either have free speech which
guarantees that everyone can voice their opinion, or you have censored
speech, where only ‘acceptable’ opinions are allowed. There is no middle
road here. And, in case, Ms. Finsten, that you prefer the latter, let me leave
you with this thought piece. How would you feel, if you awoke one day and
found that your point of view had suddenly become “out of favor”, and you
were no longer able to voice your opinions without risking prosecution?
Would you still be in favor of curtailment of one’s basic rights? If you
still say yes, Ms. Finsten, then you are ripe for a totaliterian government,
because without guaranteed rights, that is exactly what you would get.
Think about that, Ms. Finsten.

George Graves

From [email protected] Tue Jan 16 23:07:10 PST 1996
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Rajiv K. Gandhi wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
> > Rajiv K. Gandhi ([email protected]) writes:
> > > In article <4d9[email protected]>, [email protected] (KT) wrote:
> > >
> > >> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) says:
>
> > >> Name just *one* thing any black has contributed to Western society that
> > >> is worth recognizing. The two mentioned, certainly aren’t. For niggers
> > >> have no history worth of attention and M. L. King was fighting for the
> > >> rights of his own race.
> > >
> > > Time zones. Blood transfusions. Both invented by african americans. Worth
> > > recognizing.
===================================================================
TIME ZONES? What kind of revisionist bullshit have you been reading? demarcated time zones
were initiated in England in the 1830’s to standardize the Railroad Timetables. They were
“adopted” by the US rail system in the 1850’s for the same reason. No one actually invented
them. The earth does that naturally (it turns once on its axis every twenty-four
hours, get it? Makes every 15 degrees of longitude equal one hour).
Standardizing time zones just makes the entire zone equal the same time
rather than using local time which gets later by one minute every 0.25
degrees one travels from east to west.
And you mean blood typing, not blood transfusions.
====================================================================

> >
> > Even assuming that your bullshit is true, Gandhi, you’re overlooking
> > something so obvious that it makes me shudder to think that such morons as
> > you are on this planet:
> > Neither of those things would have been invented if we hadn’t brought
> > those Stone Age left-overs here and taught them that there’s more to
> life than > idling away on the savannahs of Africa.
>
> So your position is that given the same opportunities that a white person
> is, an african american can excel.
>
> >
> > > Demonstrate:
> > >
> > > (2) that all jewish people are liberals
> >
> > They PREACH liberalism, asshole, but they PRACTICE conservatism.
>
> No. Some Jewish people are liberals. Some are conservatives. Prove to me,
> as KT has so irresponsibly claimed, that all Jewish people are liberals.
> In your case prove to me that all jewish people preace conservatism, and
> practice liberalism.
>
> By the way, liberal is not a bad word.
===================================================================
Liberal is a very bad word. In the U.S.A. that word has cost American
taxpayers almost 6 trillion dollars over the last 30 years for liberal
social programs which have all but busted the country and have had
a negative net effect on the problems they were supposed to address.
===================================================================
>
> > > (3) that the african american population has a birth rate
> disproportional to the
> > > average national rate in the United States
> >
> > Open your eyes, paki
>
> They are wide open little man, and all I see is an ignoramus who refuses
> to move beyond his own hatred. Show me verifiable statistics.
>
> > > (4) that the majority of crimes perpetrated upon white people is
> iniatiated > > by african americans
> >
> > Check any crime stats, paki. Or just pay attention to the news.
>
> You are implying that you have seen the crime statistics. Provide me with
> a quote or a reference.
>
> By the way, I watch the news. Nothing there to support your claim that the
> majority of crimes perpetrated upon white people is iniatiated by african
> americans.

====================================================================
According to the US Department of Justice, Mr Ghandi, 1 in 4 African-
American males are involved in the US criminal justice system (1 in 3 for
males between the ages of 16 and 35). Someone recently quoted the stats
here on this NG which show that if Black, Hispanic, and Asian crime
rates were removed from the US crime statistics, this country would have
the lowest crime rate on earth.

George Graves

From [email protected] Wed Jan 17 18:55:47 PST 1996
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Wizard of id wrote:
>
> George Graves <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Marty Kelley wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, George Graves wrote:
> >>
> >> > Marty Kelley wrote:
> >>
> >> > > So, Mr. Graves, do you acknowledge that the Nazis killed some 10 to 12
> >> > > million civilians during WW II, about half of them Jews? Your previous
> >> > > posts have indicated that you do accept the Nazi genocide as a fact,
> >> > > which does rather set you apart from many of your co-racists.
> >> >
> >> > Absolutely! I might not agree with the numbers (I think they have been
> >> > set way-high, for propoganda purposes), but the fact of the holocaust is
> >> > incontrovertable. My two high-horses are multicuturalism in America and
> >> > the World Zionist Conspiracy which promotes it. My feeling on the
> >> > conspiracy is that if everybody knows about it, it will cease to be a force
> >> > in American society either socially, intellectually, emotionally, or
> >> > politically. Then many subjects could be dealt with realistically instead
> >> > of being wrapped up up propoganda, political correctness and hype. I am
> >> > not a Nazi. I do not believe that ehat the Nazi’s did in WWII is excusable
> >> > by any stretch of the concept. What I DO understand (but again, do not
> >> > condone) is the motivation behind their actions.
> >>
> >> Thank you for the clarification. I still think you’re a nauseating
> >> racist kook, Mr. Graves, but at least you’re not a nauseating racist
> >> Holocaust-denying kook.
> >>
> >> Now, a couple of followup questions: On what basis do you claim that the
> >> numbers of victims of the Holocaust “were set way high for propaganda
> >> purposes”? If the evidence for the Holocaust is “incontrovertible” (and
> >> I agree with you that it is), why do you think that the evidence upon
> >> which the estimated death tolls is not equally valid?
> >>
> >> And on what basis do you claim that multiculturalism is promoted by a
> >> “World Zionist Conspiracy”? As a more-or-less Irish-American guy who
> >> loves Japanese, Thai, and Indian food, 19th-century Russian and
> >> 20th-century African-American writers, and World Music of many varieties,
> >> I have to say that I seem to have missed my copy of the marching orders from
> >> Jerusalem.
> >>
> >> ———————-
> >> Marty Kelley ([email protected])
>
> >I have answered that question before, but in case you missed it, I will
> >again. Before World War II (the first time I posted this I said 1939
> >[getting old, memory, you know], but upon checking later I find it was
> >1936) The New York Times ran a compiled European Census, including

> So you say that in 1936 the NYT did publish some census, could you be
> specific as to what month or day, or is this something you have
> heard,but haven’t read or can readily point to?
====================================================================
I read the reference to the New York Times Census in another book. They
did not cite the actual date.
====================================================================
> >the Soviet Union. In this compiled census, they put the number of Jews
> >in Europe at less than four million. Remember, in ’36, Hitler was already
> >sabre rattling, and defaming Jews. The New York Times, being a
> >Jewish owned newspaper (a family named Ochs owned it then, still

> *Why is it important to tell the reader that the NYT was/is owned by
> *Jews?? does that make the NYT suspect or are you just trying to throw
> *suspicion into a feeble mind?? If so, why would you use them as a
> *source??
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If you read on, I think you will find that questioned answered a couple of sentences down, but I’ll
enlarge on it anyway. The NYT, being Jewish run
would have no reason to inflate (or deflate) the number of Jews
artificially. A Nazi leaning paper might inflate the number to make the
“menace” look bigger and therefore more compelling. An isolationist
paper might deflate the number so that they could tell Americans not
to get so excited about Hitler over a couple of hundred thousand Jews.
That is why I mentioned that the NYT was Jewish owned/run.
====================================================================
>
> >does), was necessarily alarmed at the fate of Jews all over Europe
> >should Hitler gain the upper hand there. With motive in mind, I have
> >no reason NOT to believe those figures. If there were only 4 million
> >Jews in Europe and The Soviet Union in the late ’30’s, it would be
> >difficult for Hitler’s Nazi’s to have killed 6 million. Also, directly after
> >the war, Jews in America were saying that 12 million Jews were killed.
> >A little later it dropped to 10, then to 8, and finally the number settled
>
*Now once again you use Jews as some source, could you tell me what
> *Jews in America said that 12 million Jews were murdered??
====================================================================
As near as I can remember (I read this over 20 years ago) it was the
JADL(Jewish Anti Defamation League) who first quoted those inflated figures.
The War Crimes people made them revise them downward as their
investigation of Nazi atrocities commenced.
=====================================================================
>
> >upon was 6 million, and there it has stuck. But is the number important?
> >Were it 6, 6000, 6 million, or 60 million, it was a heinous thing, and a
> >true crime against humanity. History is full of holocausts. In 1918, the
> >Turks tried to wipe out the Armenians. Armenians don’t have the-shall
> >we say- “access” to the media that the Jews do, so you don’t hear about
> >that one very much, but the aim was the same the genocide of an entire
> >people.

> I do think that you are missing the point as to the Holocaust and your
> analogy of Armenia, remember that Jews were citizens of Germany, and
> many other countries who were systematically murdered because of their
> religion, not as to what country they were citizens of, that is a big
> difference.
=====================================================================
Jews were not persecuted because of their religion. One does not classify
a Luthern by the amount of Luthern blood one has. Nazis, OTOH, maintained
that someone with “one drop of Jewish blood” in their heritage, was a Jew.
If it was their religion being persecuted, what does bloodline have to do
with it?
Your downplaying of the Armenian genocide is callous and disgusting. There
is no difference. You are saying that the Jewish genocide is more important
because Jews were involved and Jews are more important than Armenians.
Nazi’s killed Jews, Turks killed Armenians, and Serbs kill Croates
(or whatever) its all “ethnic cleansing” and its wrong.
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> >You confuse multiculturalism with the assimilation of cultures. I have
> >some friends of Italian ancestery. They don’t speak Italian, they don’t
> >adhere to any Italian customs (as they put it, their ancestors left that
> >part of them in Palermo), but they own a fantastic Italian restaurant,
> >and Mama makes the best lasagne I’ve ever eaten. They are as American
> >as You Mr. Kelly because they assimilated. They hate multiculturalism
> >as much as I do. They say that these new immigrants from Asia have no
> >interest in being Americans, that they don’t care for our culture. They
> >are here only to make a buck. Are they? I don’t know, but the government
> >doesn’t care if they like America or not. They no longer care if immigrants
> >learn English, learn American history, and government, or even understand
> >the oath of alleigence required when they get their naturalization papers.
> >This is wrong. It fragments this country, it dilutes its culture, and I
> >believe that it will eventually bring it down. Maybe its an inevitable
> >consequence of change, I don’t know. But I do know that I am compelled
> >to fight it, because I like this country, and this culture the way it is. I’d
> >hate to see it go away.
>
> >George Graves

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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
>
> George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
> : Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> : >
> : >
> : > True. But liars will move mountains to avoid being made accountable
> : > for their falsehoods.
>
> : I’ll tell you what I told Morrison. If the personel at these papers have
> : changed since my source was compiled, then it is your duty as the
> : accuser to post the contrary evidence. Its the easiest thing in the world
> : to tell someone they are wrong without producing the evidence of their
> : error.
>
> Er, no. All I have to do is point out that your statements are
> false; I do not have, nor does anyone else, to prove the contrary
> true. That is all that is necessary to demonstrate that you are a
> liar.
> : George Graves
>
> —
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> ——————————————————————–
> [email protected]

Oh, is that how it works? OK.

Your statement about my statement being false is false. Under your
rules that statement by me makes your statement, made above, a lie.

George Graves

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Gord McFee wrote:
>
> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] said:
>
> >Multiculturalism is the belief in a plural society. One in which all
> >cultures are encouraged to practice that culture rather than become
> >assimilated; to celebrate the differences between cultures rather than
> >bond together as one nation using the strength of our sameness as the
> >bonding agent. It is characterized by multilingual signs in places other
> >than international airports, by multilingual voting materials and school
> >materials. It is characterized by hyphenated group names, ending in
> >”-American”, instead of just American. It is caused by unbriddled
> >immigration of people who neither understand nor care to learn the
> >American culture coupled with a destructive notion that people should no
> >longer be made to assimilate into the culture of the majority. It is
> >wrong, it is dangerous, and it will ultimately result in the desruction
> >of this culture and of this country.
>
> George! That’s the closest you’ve come to expressing a thought since you
> joined this newsgroup. Congratulations.
>
> So you are saying that cultures can’t practice their cultures and assimilate
> into the society in which they live? Yet, that is exactly what you accuse
> the Jews of doing.
>
> Europe has had “multilingual signs” for decades, and it seems to be doing
> fairly well. Switzerland has four official languages and it seems to be
> doing pretty well.
>
> What kind of an American are you? Are you a hyphenated American?
>
> I guess the only answer for this menace you see is to separate the races? I
> guess we can start by “sending them back where they came from”? Mind you,
> if that doesn’t work, we’ll just dump ’em on Madagascar or something like
> that, right? And if that doesn’t work, well……………… Rosenberg
> would be proud of you, Georgie.
>
> The rest of humanity isn’t.
>
> —
> Gord McFee

I just believe that this country should belong to those who built it. Let me
make a quick analogy. I suspect that you earn a living and support your
family, and if you don’t perhaps some day you will. You work hard to give
you and yours a good living, and a comfortable home. First thing you know,
George Graves is knocking on your door. When you open it, he sweeps in
carrying two large suitcases. He asks you where his room is, and then
raids your icebox (all without as much as a by-your-leave, you understand),
and then asks when you are going to have the checks made so that he can
access your checking account, and oh, if you call right now, you can have
duplicates of your credit cards with Graves’ name on them in just a
couple of days. You wouldn’t like that, I suspect. Why should you, who have
worked hard for what you have, share it with Graves? What has he
contributed? All he is doing is taking up your space and reducing the
amount of your income that is available for you and your family (lower
standrd of living).
Multiculturalism is like that. Exactly. The standard of living of the average
American falls every year (it used to go up every year). He has 20% less
buying power than he did less than two decades ago. Its a simple equation:
Finite resources divided by too many people equals less for everyone. Even
if (and I have no doubt that this is true) some of the immigrants create
wealth, the overall net effect is negative. Blacks are predators. They put
an enormous drain on this society. I don’t know what to do about that, but
nothing that has been tried so far has had any effect. Yes, I do believe this
would be a better society without them.
Now, the way I see it, and I’M SURE you’ll correct me if I’m wrong, here,
liberals are all in favor of multiculturalism. They don’t mind having
their standard of living eroded. But if the government told you that due to
housing shortages, you libs will have to start taking-in black and
immigrant families to your homes, you’d change your tune quickly
enough! You see, liberalism just fine as long as YOU don’t have to deal
with it personally. That’s one of the reasons why its so phoney.

George Graves

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William December Starr wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) said:
>
> > There’s nothing wrong with being a liberal, so it’s wrong to make
> > things inconvenient for liberals. There’s a lot wrong with being
> > a bigot, so there’s nothing wrong with making things inconvenient
> > for bigots.
>
> While, almost simultaneously, the very same Joel Rosenberg said in
> article <[email protected]>, in response to a
> statement made by someone else:
>
> > Well, I guess if you believe in proof by assertion, you’ve just
> > proved something.
>
> Hmmm…
>
> — William December Starr <[email protected]>

Now, THAT’S what I call a matter of opinion! There is plenty wrong
with being a liberal. I don’t know what country your from, but over
the last 40 or so years liberalism has all but destroyed the United
States. Trillions thrown away on questionable liberal social
programs where the results are that the problems these programs
were designed to address are worse now than they were BEFORE
the programs were put into effect and the money wasted.
Liberalism on an individual basis only shows that the individual
is extremely naive in the ways of the world, but when governments
practice it, its a sure road to destruction.
By the way, how do YOU define bigot, and please explain why a bleeding
heart liberal is any less of a bigot than those he accuses of bigotry?

George Graves

From [email protected] Fri Jan 19 08:20:56 PST 1996
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Fresh816 wrote:
>
> George, you are a serious paranoid, as well as an asshole.
>
> What makes you possibly believe that the goyim (literally “nations”) are
> going to be slaughtered?
>
> Tell me, do you see black helicopters flying above you?

EHHH1 Thanks for playing. Goyim means “human cattle” according to
my Yiddish dictionary. Trying to clean it up huh? Won’t work. Too
many know what goy/goyim means.

George Graves

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Stacia wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Harry Katz) writes:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >George Graves ([email protected]) pontificates:
>
> [snipped George’s idiocy]
>
> >What is actually going on is this: I pointed out a logical flaw in
> >Mr. Graves’ reasoning that he cannot dispute, so he blusters instead,
> >hoping to divert attention away from his inability to respond.
>
> >–
> >Harry Katz
>
> I’m resisting a strong urge to scream “we know!” 🙂 However, considering
> the amount of posts George writes and the astounding amount of crap he can
> generate in just one post, you can’t say this enough: George posts
> drivel. Even considering the normal intelligence (and lack thereof) of
> the racists around here, George stands out. Congratulations, George.
> We’ll never forget you.
>
> Stacia
>
Its only drivel to the brain-dead, Stacia.

George Graves

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Martin Fox wrote:
>
> [email protected] (william c anderson) wrote:
> >George Graves ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> Some snipped.
>
> >
> >>: As to J.P. Morgan. I simply got him confused with Henry Morganthau Sr. who
> >: was Jewish, and did contribute to the Bolshevik revolution along with
> >: Guggenhiem, and Jacob Schiff (senior partner of Kuhn, Loeb and Co. who gave
> >: Lenin $20,000,000 for the “cause”). What confused me is the similarity of
> >: names and the fact that Morgan and Rockefellar (both non Jews) also
> >: contributed to the Russian revolution along with MorganTHAU.
> >: Again, I apologize for any hard feelings that I may have generated through this
> >: unfortunate, but nonetheless unintentional error.
> >
> >J.P. Morgan Sr. died in 1913, so you can’t be talking about him. His son
> >may have contributed to the Bolsheviks, but I doubt it–his assets were
> >pretty well tied up financing Allied arms sales during WWI. I have no
> >idea whether Morganthau Sr. (father of the more famous Morganthau who
> >served in the Roosevelt administration) contributed to Lenin and Co.
> >
> >Bill
>
> Since Graves presented no evidence for any of these gifts to the Bolshevik
> revolution, I’d put this into the same category as his other assertions. But,
> it makes a great story. Any ovelists out there want to grab this?
>
> How about this scenario: All of the wealthy American Jewish fianceers,
> begining with Alexander Hamilson, knew that in the early 20th century
> Jewish capitalism would face a crisis (the depression brought on by their WWI)
> and that to save their world they helped found and finance the Bosheviks.
> I can guarantee at least one sale to Graves.
>
> Martin Fox

Idiot. Where did you get the idea that that Bolshevism STARTED with the
1917 revolution? Trotsky and Lenin had been a dedicated Bolshevik for
years by the time Morgan Sr. died. Have you ever heard of the so-called
1905 “Aborted Revolution”? Trotsky was one of its main instigators.
These prominant rich Americans contributed the money mostly to Trotsky,
directly. If you want my reference, Here ’tis

“The Unseen Hand” A Ralph Epperson, Publius Press, Tuscon Arizona, 1985.
Lib/Congress # 84-06227. Chapter 10., ‘The Russian Revolution’ PP 99-
112. And if you wish, I can post this author’s sources as well, but if you
get the book you can look them up as well as I.

Now, go and do YOUR homework like good little fellow travelers, and lets
see what you come back with.

George Graves

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The Aktion Reinhard Death Camps

Auschwitz Birkenau

Bergen-Belsen

Buchenwald

Chelmno

Dachau

Maidanek (Majdanek)

Mauthausen

Nordhausen

Belzec

Treblinka

Mittelbau Dora

Gusen

Westerbork

Matthias Giwer

John Hron

Ken McVay

Steve Thomas

Fairview Technologies

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The Heritage Front

The Anti-Defamation League

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