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On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:33:05 GMT, [email protected] (John
Morris) wrote:

>In <[email protected]>, Matt Giwer posting as
>[email protected] (Swiss bank billions) wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:00:16 GMT, [email protected] (John
>>Morris) wrote:
>
>>>In <[email protected]>, Matt Giwer posting as
>>>[email protected] (Full Name) wrote:
>
>>>[a demonstration that Matt Giwer knows as little about the history of
>>>alt.revisionism as he knows about the holocaust]
>
>>>> Then join in on the discussion of the subject of revisionism.
>
>>>Challenging “revisionism” is just as much a discussion of
>>>”revisionism” as making “revisionist” assertions.
>
>> Excuse me. This is NOT a conference for challenging revisionism.
>>It is for the discussion of revisionism. If you wish to challenge it,
>>go to soc.jewish.holocaust.
>
>So you say. But my mode of discussing “revisionism” is to challenge
>its premises. I think “revisionism” is just another name for Holocaust
>denial. I think “revisionism” is a thin disguise for Jew-hatred and
>has nothing to do with history. That is how I choose to discuss
>”revisionism.”

Think what you will, pretend to believe what you will. This is not
a conference to talk about revisionism, this is a conference to do
revisionism. Your opinion has now been expressed. There is no need
to repeat it unless someone enters into a conversation on your
opinion.

The purpose of this conference is to do revisionism, not to run off
at the keystrokes on opinions about revisionism. If you wish to do
the latter, there are certainly other conferences that will be happy
to read your opinions.

>Sorry if it doesn’t suit you. And if you want to take that as your
>warrant to make the newsgroup unusable, that suits me just fine, too.

But I have only said that I will make it unusable to those who are
posting off topic, such as yourself. And if you insist upon
disrupting people who are trying to do revisionism then that puts you
at the disadvantage here.

>Then all you have a bunch of web pages among tens of thousands that
>maybe no one will read.

And with you holobuggers here disrupting the conference we have
exactly the same thing AND no conference usable to do revisionism. At
least this way we regain the conference for its intended purpose. A
small gain perhaps, but a gain nevertheless.

You won’t be able to tell from the hit count
>if you have a real audience or whether your readers are people like me
>(I read “revisionist” web pages quite frequently).

You are describing a situation no different from that way it has
always been.

But to cut to the chase, no, you will not be missed in the least.
None of you will be missed.

>>>> Do
>>>>not spam holobuggery,
>
>>>Leaving aside whether “holobuggery” is a civil term, please explain
>>>how one discusses “revisionism” without reference to the Holocaust
>>>that “revisionism” claims to debunk.
>
>> Very simply one does not presume that any of the holocaust myths
>>are true until they pass rigorous tests including checks against the
>>sciences. There is no holocaust, only stories and testimony that have
>>to pass muster before being considered.
>
>I have not presumed any part of the Holocaust to be true until I have
>investigated for myself. I really don’t know who you think you are
>talking to.

Save in a flame exchange I would not suggest that you could
possibly have done that and still be supporting — at least with
silence — everything that has been posted here. If you do consider
true every bit of holobuggery that has been posted here, then you do
not deserve flames but silence.

And if you do not believe everything that has been posted here, you
are to be cited for you negligent silence.

>> On the other hand, this is clearly not the place for constant
>>spamming of holocaust stories such as by Keren and McVay.
>
>You’re one to talk! You posted the Wannsee Protocol thriteen times in
>eight days without comment.

And? I was told it was absolute proof of extermination. I read
it. It was no such thing. I posted it many times to demonstrate it
was no such thing and given the lack of response, everyone agreed it
was no such thing. Then weeks after I stopped, the holobuggers simply
started declaring it was and REFUSED to point out which part of is was
that proof.

Which is the point is it not? If there is going to be discussion
then honest discussion is required. A claim was made and no one would
support that claim. Eventually all we had was groundless and in fact
mindless assertion that it was proof. Where was the discussion?
Where was the support of the claim? Why were you silent in failing
agree that it was not proof?

>> If you wish
>>to discuss the subject fine, do so.
>
>I have been doing so. In fact, I have been doing so in this newsgroup
>for a lot longer than you have. You just don’t like the way I choose
>to do it.
>
>> But you have to start from the
>>presumption that NOTHING is true.
>
>Been there, done that. When I first stumbled into this newsgroup, I
>took the claims of the “revisionists” very seriously and investigated
>them thoroughly. By the time you showed up, I had a pretty good idea
>of what was valid and what was not.

Then why have you not discussed what you investigated and walked us
through the exercise and saved a lot of time?

>You seem to think, however, that I should stay in some permanent state
>of infantile doubt about what I have learned, that I should never draw
>conclusions from what I have learned. That may suit you, but it does
>not suit me.

No one asked you to. The question is, why have you been here
spamming holobuggery? Why have you chosen to be off-topic in this
conference?

>> You can not assume any part of it
>>is true until it has been debated and a consensus is reached.
>
>You are assuming that there can be any kind of real debate. My
>experience has been that “revisionists” are more than prepared to
>falsify history. Direct lies are rarer than they used to be on
>alt.revisionism because “revisionists” have learned the hard way that
>there are people willing to check their facts. Now it is more a matter
>of selecting evidence on the basis to fit the thesis that the
>”Holocaust never happened.”
>
>Nevertheless, it is impossible that there should be a real debate when
>one side is happily willing to propagate falsehoods. The discussion
>regresses to a matter of assertion and debunking.

That is again your opinion but TRUE OR FALSE that does not justify
disruption of this conference. Whether you like revisionism or
revisionists or any thing else, that does not give you license to post
off topic.

>> If wish to defend you holocaust ideas then do so according some
>>reasonable form of discussion or investigation.
>
>Whoa. Back up a little. Is it now alright for me to assert the
>historicity of the Holocaust?

In an appropriate conference where it is on topic.

I thought that it was only alright for
>me to “discuss ‘revisionism'” without reference to the history which
>you proposed to revise. Please clarify.

Mere assertion is off topic here.

>> You do not do it by
>>attacking the person posting nor by spamming.
>
>I don’t spam. But you do.
>
>And I don’t call people names like “holobugger,” or “stupid shit” or
>”Jew slime.” But you do.

Names are called of those who start the name calling and who make
libelous remarks. But you know that.

>> You do not insist it is
>>true because the person telling the story is crying.
>
>I never have.
>
>> If you are not going to participate according to the premises of
>>the conference, find another conference.
>
>Sorry, but I don’t accept the premises as you define them. If you want
>to take that as your warrant to make the newsgroup unusable, that
>suits me just fine. Revisionism will not be discussed here.

Then it is up to you to make alt.revisionism unusable for
revisionism. I am only interested in stopping its being used for
holocaust promotion.

BTW: Have you noticed the reduction in message traffic lately?
And that what is being posted is mainly revisionist? That looks like
progress to me. You may thank me later.

>>>> do not start making wild accusations like
>>>>revisionism equals hatred, do be disruptive.
>
>>>It is an empirical observation that in many cases “revisionists”
>>>appear to be motivated by a hatred of Jews. It is a valid claim to
>>>make about the “revisionist” project when so many of its proponents
>>>hate Jews.
>
>> EVEN IF IT IS an empirical observation, there are certainly many
>>other of the 28,000+ conferences in which you can post the
>>observation. MAKING the accusation has nothing to do with revisionism
>>and is off topic here.
>
>By the same token, neither does making the accusation that someone is
>a “lying Jewish shit.” Perhaps you would like to take those
>observations to one of the alt.white.losers groups.

When someone is a jew and is lying then he is a lying jew. If a
jew wants to post lies here then he will be called what he is. Do you
have a problem wth that?

>> FACT, even if everyone here were to clearly state that they hate
>>JEWS that would have NOTHING to do with whether or not there is any
>>truth to the holocaust.
>
>You are absolutely right. But if it were shown that the vast majority
>of “revisionists” were motivated by hatred of Jews, it would certainly
>say something about “revisionism” and that, as you say, is the topic
>of discussion here.

It would say nothing other than that some people are so foolish as
to be decieved by a logical fallacy that was formally identified over
two thousand years ago. It is also a common method of propaganda.

BUT if you wish to demonstrate motivation, perhaps you will need to
start your own conference to post the results of all the investigators
you hire. The “vast majority” are not on this conference. Unless you
could show something about those participating here, you would have
nothing and if you did it would not be on topic.

You appear to be promoting the idea there is a vast anti-semitic
plan here, may I say conspiracy. Where do they meet? In the same
place the jews meet to conspire?

>> Therefore, any discussion of that here has
>>nothing to do with the holocaust, therefore it is off topic here. Go
>>find another conference.
>
>Now you’ve lost me. I thought the topic of discussion here was
>”revisionism.” Shouldn’t I say at this point that, if you want to
>discuss the Holocaust, you should find another conference?

You appear to be trying to pick nits with wording. That is not
constructive.

>>>> You are invited to
>>>>participate civilly.
>
>>>But YOU don’t have to be civil, do you? As your web page states you
>>>strive for “offensive” and “in your face” [sic] confrontations instead
>>>of reasoned discussions. Why the double standard? Why are you exempt
>>>from the standards you set for others?
>
>> That particular web page says NOTHING about me.
>
>You wrote it. Do you not stand by your words? Does the page not
>represent your position?

It says nothing about me. It says what it says. Ad hominem is
still a fallacy.

>> It says what I am
>>looking for in the collection of web sites. A confrontational
>>attitude FOR PURPOSES OF A WEBSITE says nothing about my intensions.
>
>Alright. Leave aside your web page for a minute. You have stated that
>I am “invited” to post here if I am civil about it. But YOU don’t have
>to be civil, do you? Why the double standard? Why are you exempt from
>the standards you set for others?

I respond in kind. Do you really believe YFE is telling the truth?
Was he lying when he said he was jewish also? The man is lying and he
is a jew, therefore a lying jew. Is there anything about that which
escapes you?

>> As you apparently have not noticed, this newsgroup is not a
>>website. That website is to promote what some groups do not want
>>people to hear.
>
>You missed my point. Why are you exempt from your own standard that
>people have to be civil?
>
>> And in line with that and reasoned discussions, If you wish to
>>participate in reasoned discussions here, do so.
>
>I have done so all along. You just make it more difficult by spamming
>the newsgroup with your useless toss off posts that do little more
>than call someone “a lying Jew.”

>Do you have any idea what a chore it is to wade through all that crap
>to see if you have made a substantial argument? Only to end up wearily
>saying, “Why bother? You can’t discuss anything with someone who is
>demonstrably a loud-mouthed jerk?” Whatever you may intend by your
>petty insults, that is how you come across when you post dozens of
>”lying Jew” posts.

You appear to be attempting to turn this entire discussion into a a
defense of YFE and his deliberate and knowing lies. Is there a reason
for this?

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http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith)
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From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:13 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
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Subject: Anti-semitic acts
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Having followed the news reports of such things over the years, and
having taken the time to look for the follow-up stories, one thing is
very clear, something approaching 90% of them are committed by Jews.
In fact it is a rarity to find a non-Jew as the perpetrator of such
“hate” crimes.

Thus, given current events, lets us consider that Krystallnacht was
perpetrated by Jews, as that is most likely.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:13 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
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Subject: Re: Mr. Raven, please cite your sources
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On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:32:56 +0000, Dene Bebbington
wrote:

>Swiss bank billions wrote:
>>On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 19:28:13 +0000, Dene Bebbington
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In good old revisionist style, perhaps I should point out that the
>>>testimony of Hoess and his torturers are not fully consistent, couple
>>>that with the fact that this is only testimony – then any revisionist
>>>out there would have to conclude that the story of Hoess’s torture is a
>>>sham and never happened.
>>
>> As such, you have no basis for claiming it was a sham and never
>>happened. All you are doing is giving your opinion of the allegation.
>
>Hey, look out Matt, there’s some irony that just passed right by your
>head without you spotting it.

Better writers than you have failed at irony. Perhaps you would
care to underline it next time to make it obvious.

>> You do not have complete access to those involved, you had no
>>opportunity to question them under oath and no one else did either.
>
>And Mr Raven is in the same situation.

Precisely BUT the allegation was made and you have only your
personal opinion on the allegation as there was no investigation of
the allegation. So we have an allegation, confession if you will, by
one of the torturers and your opinion of the allegation. As such, you
are at a supreme disadvantage.

Had there been an investigation and the “confession” retracted
under oath you would be in fat city. If he had sustained it under
oath I would be in fat city. As it is we have a clear statement by
one of the torturers.

Thus we are left with a reasonable answer to the question as to why
Hoess would sign his own death warrant with that testimony. It is not
reasonable to suggest a man like Hoess would suddenly be stricken with
remorse particularly if guilty.

>> That is one of the real reasons the police hold such
>>investigations, to get the people on record and come to a conclusion
>>based upon the investigation. When such an investigation does not
>>occur, then situations like this arise, where there is no basis for
>>rejecting the allegation other than opinion.
>
>And therefore no basis for accepting it other than opinion.

Precisely but it does explain why Hoess would sign his own death
warrant without any reason to do so.

>But the point I was making was not really about this incident, but was
>just a comment about the spurious methodology and inconsistency of
>revisionists. We constantly hear hysterical cries against the Holocaust
>because much of it is based on testimony, but it’s amazing how the
>revisionists use testimony when it suits them – ie. to try and cast
>doubt on an event which ironically they think testimony is not good
>enough for. Haven’t you spotted the fickleness of this revisionist
>method yet, or is that beyond you as well?

It is fine with me if you are interested in discussing this matter
without reference to any testimony. Any time you are ready. But when
holohuggers insist upon using testimony then testimony is a legitimate
response.

By responding with testimony holohuggers are forced for face
(honest ones at least) that testimony can not be considered absolute.

>Using your revisonist tactics we can just as easily dismiss anything
>such as the article regarding the supposed torture of Hoess. In fact the
>problem with these revisionist tactics is that we can totally reject
>almost any history, or accept it, simply based on our own bias.

And if we continue rejecting testimony we can reject Hoess’s and
all the rest of the testimony.

Testimony is either in or it is out. If out, lets go from there.
If it is in, then we test all testimony against the ultimate sounding
board of physical law, then of common experience and finally of likely
human behavior.

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http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions
http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust
http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report
http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven’s Website
http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith)
http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents
http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L’Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et
d’Holocauste (also in English)
http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz
http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:37:31 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
OBE) wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:11:00 GMT, [email protected] (Swiss bank
>billions) wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:25:41 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Speech by Hitler, January 31, 1939
>
>>
>> spam, spam, spam, spam,
>> Lovely spam, glorious spam.
>>
>>=====
>
>SPAM? So what is this? (URL’s mangled to conserve bandwidth)
>http://www.webcom.com/~ezu
>http://194.243.91.7/ISL
>http://www.wsu.edu:80e
>http://www.eskimo.com/~ralp
>http://home1.gte.net/mgi
>http://flashback.se/~r
>http://www.webcom.com/ez
>http://www.hoffman-in
>http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihr
>http://www.codoh.com/irvi
>http://www.codo
>http://www.abbc.com/aaar
>http://pubweb.acns.nw
>http://www.air-ph
>http://www.adam.co

You are really very silly with the comment of conserving bandwidth.
One disk of a twenty disk posting on the IBM warez conference, out of
hundreds of such postings per day, it more than this conference posts
in a week probably three weeks. You wasted must more time paring the
list than it would have taken to transmit it to every ISP in the
world.

You really are new to this aren’t you? Bandwidth is not a
consideration on USENET given what does exist and is carried. Now
that you know, do not waste your time again.

Usenet runs something like 8 gigabytes a week, probably more, for
the basic 28,000 groups. The simple list of groups is larger than
this conference produces in weeks and MCI transmits the list twice a
day IN ADDITION TO all of the messages in those groups.

You are really wasting your time. But do not let me discourage
you.

>Harry W. Mazal OBE
>
>Nizkor (USA) An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
>Over 1000 Megs of data: https://nizkor.org
>Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
>Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction – permanently!)

The URL, the Mail Drop and the synagogue phone number.

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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Tries Another Lie
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On 19 Nov 1996 16:59:46 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
>
>
>> >> > Why should I retract the truth, nazi boy. I repeat: they swore to it
>under
>> >> >oath. The prosecutors accepted it as true. The court accepted it as
>true.
>> >That
>> >> >is one side. On the other side, we have a a phony denial from you
>writing under
>> >a
>> >> >psuedonym.
>
>> >> Gee, they give testimony at arraignment hearing in Montana these
>> >> days? But it was on CNN so it has to be true.
>
>> > Actually they were arrested (and interrogated with videotape) in
>> >Michigan. The sworn statements occurred, as I have stated several times,
>in
>> >pre-trial motions filed in the Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh County.
>Testimony
>> >was heard on these motions, argument presented, and a decision made.
>The
>> >decision accepted as fact the claim of the brothers Freeman that they were
>> >members of the NA.
>
>> > Sorry, criminal one. You have been caught in another lie.
>
>> Not a lie, a reference to the other far more publicized “Freemen” case
>> in Montana — an obvious and easy switch-up as you know quite well,
>> Jew liar Yale — rather than the Freeman brothers case in
>> Pennsylvania.
>
> In other words the criminal Giwer was too stupid to know what others
>were referring to, yet chose to insert his befouled oar anyway.

Shit ass, pig shit, drunken jew refuses to report the crime. He
prefers to bear false witness in contradition to the laws given to his
Moses by his god.

But the lying little creep is an atheist and a jew in race only.

>> Now: for the 5th time, are you going to retract your lies about the
>> Freeman brothers being in the NA or are you going to continue to
>> persist in yet another lie?
>
> I repeat. I can neither retract the truth or accede to your attempt to
>distance your nut group from its connection with a rather horrible crime. It is not
>just that the brothers Freeman were members of the NA — they were — but that
>they have specifically stated that one of the motivating factors in their decision
>to murder their parents and torture their borther to death was the objection of
>their parents to their membership in the NA.

Cite the fucking law you lying little drunken jew.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:16 PST 1996
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On 19 Nov 1996 16:48:03 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
>
>> > Why. It pushes the criminal Giwer’s buttons very nicely. The criminal
>> >Giwer could end it very easily. He could apologize for what was an outrageous
>> >invasion of my privacy.
>
>> I thought we were talking about criminal law and not tort? Get your
>> stories straight, crybaby Jew dirtbag lawyer.
>
> I’m sorry if the reasoning process available to a reasonably bright
>third-grader is beyond you. Many of the criminal Giwer’s activities has been
>violations of the criminal law. Others have been tortious. Others have been
>neither but are in violation of the contracts he signed with various ISPs.

Hey, lying scum jew, report me. Sober up and report me.

>> If the only law Giwer violated is “hate crime law” (struck down so far
>> as constitutional and are as such unlawful regulations of speech) then
>> he and anyone else should be proud to have violated such Jew-inspired
>> laws from the likes of Jew traitors like Yale and his fellow ADL
>> sleazeballs. It is an honor to violate a Jew/ADL Orwellian speech
>> law. Fuck you Jew.
>
> The “hate crime laws” — Pennsylvania’s is an enhancment statute which
>increases the penalty — have hardly been struck down. In fact, the opposite is
>true.

Lying scum jew, report me. Little scum cowardly drunken jew.

Come on, little boy, report the crimes. Fuck off, fuck off, fuck
off. There are more crimes for you to report.

stupid shit.

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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:28:10 -0700, [email protected] (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>wrote:
>
>> Mark Van Alstine wrote on 07 Nov 1996
>> Comments in Capitals
>
>More like Mr. Allen’s faux pas in capitals. Obviously, Mr. Allen has never
>read Broad’s description of a gassing in **** KREMA I ***** very
>carefully. If he had, he wouldn’t have made such an ass of himslef by
>braying in caps….

Why would one wish to read a description of what happened in a
building that had no room that could have served as a gas chamber? As
we know the curator of the museam had to create such a room based upon
the conflicting descriptions. He has no idea what it really was or if
it really existed.

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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:57:33 -0700, [email protected] (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Michael P. Stein) wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>, Matt Giwer ([email protected])
>> wrote:
>> >On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:37:12 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
>> >wrote:
>> >>Funny thing is that I asked about this in the aviation
>> >>groups. One fellow who flew a Mustang in the war said that
>> >>he once shouted instructions to a comrade on the ground
>> >>(while flying), and that the other fellow had no special
>> >>problems hearing him.
>> >
>> > You are lying. You are telling a very stupid lie. And you know
>> >you telling a very stupid lie.
>> >
>> > And if I give you the benefit of the doubt that you were in fact
>> >told that then you were sent out for a left handed monkey wrench and
>> >he just made a fool of you.
>>
>> In other words, you have no idea what was said. You could have gone
>> to DejaNews and seen what was said by searching for the keywords “pilot,”
>> “ground,” and “Mustang.” However, you announced a conclusion without even
>> looking at the data.
>>
>> As suspected, you are not a scientist.
>
>Equally suspected, is that the Giwer-swine is perpetually snockered. Only
>a drunk on a (never-ending) bender could have written such gibberish and
>thought it proved something besides his insobriety.

Another malicious, slandering, lying jew puts in his six
palestinians worth.

From g[email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:18 PST 1996
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:47:59 -0500, [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy)
wrote:

>[email protected] (DThomas) wrote:
>
>> Jamie McCarthy wrote:
>>
>> > Remember, DThomas is the one who says we must set aside our personal
>> > feelings about each other and _pretend_ that we respect each other, in
>> > order for discussion about the Holocaust to take place.
>>
>> You still don’t get it (perhaps you never will). A good pretense might be
>> enough to make the other party open up, but it does nothing for the closed
>> mind of the pretender–thus, no communication. The respect, as I have
>> said before, must be mutual and it must be real. This is accomplished by
>> focusing on issues, not individuals, and according all individuals the
>> basic modicum of respect that their humanity deserves.
>
>That is _precisely_ how much respect I have for you, Mr. Smith,
>Ernst Zuendel, Greg Raven, et al.
>
>The problem is that the individuals _are_ the issue — though to be
>precise, it’s “revisionism” as a movement rather than the individual
>people involved in that movement.
>
>”Revisionism” has been inventing new untruths at an incredible pace for
>the past twenty years or so. Its various inventors have spanned the
>spectrum from mere sloppiness of research to outright fraud, with the
>median point being a flagrant double standard on what constitutes
>believable evidence.
>
>With so many untruths already in print, and more coming all the time,
>there is no way that they can all be debunked, or even a significant
>percentage of them. Inventing untruths and repeating them is very easy.
>Debunking them is several orders of magnitude more difficult and
>time-consuming. To return to a quote I like, “truth is far more fragile
>than fiction.”

>Thus, it will not be sufficient to merely go through the untruths, one
>by one, and show that they are untrue. It is absolutely necessary to
>identify the _pattern_ behind them: to show that there is a _reason_ so
>many untruths emenate from the “revisionist” movement. Namely, that the
>people inventing the material are not completely honest, and many are
>outright liars.

If that is an indication of what you are indicated in discussing
why do you not find a conference where such a subject is on topic?

>Of course, it is still essential to debunk the individual untruths. But
>without identifying the pattern, it will always be an uphill battle.
>
>Thus, DThomas, your request that we “focus on issues, not individuals,”
>must be rejected. I claim that both are important.

Ad hominem was identified as a logical fallacy over two thousand
years ago.

>–
> Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
> [email protected] Co-Webmaster of https://nizkor.org/

The URL, the mail drop and the Synagogue phone number. Such
honesty. Such integrity.

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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 21:04:23 +0000, Dene Bebbington
wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:
>>On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 05:58:05 GMT, [email protected] (Full Name1) wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:53:44 +0000, Dene Bebbington
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>Okay, please furnish me with the evidence that the “Zionist minority”
>>>>are those who decided that David Irving couldn’t enter Australia.
>>
>>Oh Dene. Jews had NOTHING to do with Irving being barred from
>>Australia. Everybody knows that. (snarf)
>
>Hmmmm, the old “everybody knows that” dodge. I wonder if Mr Stele will
>therefore accept that the Holocaust happens because as we know:
>”everybody knows that”, or could it possibly be that such bluster is
>only used by Mr Stele in lieu of actual knowledge and evidence.

For someone with such an inflated of his ability to portray irony,
your ability to perceive it appears equally inflated.

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On 19 Nov 1996 05:58:40 GMT, ibokor wrote:

>Subject: Pressac as historian
>From: * *, *@*.*
>Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:06 GMT
>In article <[email protected]> * *, *@*.* writes:
>> He is a liscensed pharmacologist, isn’t he?
>
>Rimsky-Korsakov was a licenced medical practitioner.

So was John Cleese.

>Einstein was a clerk in the Patents Office.
>
>So what?

The “so what” is the habit of holobuggers to casually raise any
writer about the holocaust to the status of historian. To the best of
my knowledge there are exactly two trained historians and a third who
can legitimately use that term in his title.

And the problem with that is the holobugger cop out, that when a
myth change gets to hard to deal with, (such as the three million
fewer gassing at A-B) the chant is suddenly “no reputable historian
ever said that.” Yet they freely use non-historians in support of
anything else they want to support.

It is a matter of pointing out that “historian” is used as a cop
out. Now Pressac is being quoted as some sort of all knowing guru on
the subject. In a few years when even the holobuggers have to agree
that something they are quoting him on now is completely wrong, they
will have the “no reputable historian” cop out to use. So it is
important to keep in mind up front he is not a historian.

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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
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On 19 Nov 1996 19:52:50 -0500, [email protected] (Michael P.
Stein) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:33:05 GMT, [email protected] (John
>>Morris) wrote:
>>>> On the other hand, this is clearly not the place for constant
>>>>spamming of holocaust stories such as by Keren and McVay.
>>>
>>>You’re one to talk! You posted the Wannsee Protocol thriteen times in
>>>eight days without comment.
>>
>> And? I was told it was absolute proof of extermination. I read
>>it.
>
> But you clearly did not understand much of it. For example, how the
>”will be sterilized” was a proposed law, not something which had been made
>into law. Remember that bills in Congress contain “shall be” wording from
>the start, but they are not law until they are passed and accepted by the
>President (or a veto overridden).

This is an example of picking and choosing your criteria of truth.
IF your assumption is true that it was a plan for laws to be passed
before there would be evidence of it THEN you have made the passage of
a law a requirement for EVERY point it in.

As there were NO laws implementing ANY of the points in it, then
the one point of sterilization is meaningless.

And as for understanding it, as it is a one of a kind document,
then unless you have found a separate writing guideline for creating
and intepretating this document, I have to ask how you learned to
understand it.

>>It was no such thing. I posted it many times to demonstrate it
>>was no such thing and given the lack of response, everyone agreed it
>>was no such thing.
>
> False. I had no idea what point you thought you were making by
>posting it over and over and over. So how could I be said to agree with
>an unstated point?

Then you missed the premble to the entire matter where some silly
twit thought he was being cute claiming it was proof of mass
extermination plans for jews in the context of gassing and then
posting it in German while claiming he did not have the time to
translate it. You will then recall that I found it in english and
posted it and pointed out that it was not as it was claimed to be.
And then there was a refusal to discuss it.

>>Then weeks after I stopped, the holobuggers simply
>>started declaring it was and REFUSED to point out which part of is was
>>that proof.
>
> False. The part about laborers succumbing along the way shows intent
>that they die, and die prematurely. And what benign explanation can you
>find for the last bit which says the survivors must be treated
>appropriately lest they become the germ cell for a new outbreak? They
>have just said they expect to work many to death. And suddenly they will
>care about the ones who are not cooperative enough to die of ill
>treatment?

Excuse me. Where does it saying gassing? And where does it say
another ten million by shooting? Where does it say anything remotely
like what is claimed to have happened?

Whatever that document is, it belongs in another reality as it has
no bearing upon anything that is claimed to have happened in this one.
It does not show any intention to do anything that is claimed to have
happened in this one.

> Whether you agree with the argument or not, it _was_ explicitly
>pointed out – contrary to your claim that people refused to do so.

And when someone was willing to talk about it, I made the above
points and some others. Transportation to the east and work crews and
old folks to the ghettos has nothing to do with what is claimed to
have happened. Nor is there any documentation of a change of plans.

>> Which is the point is it not? If there is going to be discussion
>>then honest discussion is required.
>
> I’m still waiting for you to discuss things honestly.

Since I have above largely repeated what I have posted before what
do you consider honest discussion? That I refuse to roll over and
accept that a document bearing no relationship to the claims is proof
of the claims? At most it shows that some people had some intentions.

> Like the discussion of the “will be” language in the Wannsee Protocol,
>where I used the very legitimate example of a bill in Congress, and you
>dishonestly cut that text out of my reply when responding.

Perhaps I was unable to take you seriously. As above, there were
no laws for any of it.

> Want to get back to the cremation discussion? The one where you
>claimed to be able to compute the amount of energy needed to boil off the
>water, but refused to produce your computations? The one where you denied
>that a gram of fat had an energy value of 9 kilocalories, which anyone can
>verify is true with a trip to the grocery store? If you claim scientific
>literacy, you should know that a calorie on a food package is a
>kilocalorie to a physicist.

Lets see, is that the one where you refused to post your
calculation? Or was that the chemist that refused. But that is under
the bridge. If you wish to start that discussion again, please do so.
But keep in mind that the discussion was NOT solely the calculation
but it was in support of the claim that the human body combusts with
enough energy release to keep an oven hot to burn the next body
without additional fuel.

Now if you wish to treat the entire discussion seriously we will
address the real discussion in the real context. I am not interested
in pretending that if a calculation says it is modestly exothermic,
that the fuelless oven case is proven. We will be considering all of
the heat that is lost as steam and gasses as the body burns and goes
up the flue.

And there is no way I can lose the complete discussion, as the only
way the heat can be saved is if it is stored in the oven walls as a
higher temperature. And in the process we will find that oven
temperatures are kept within a fixed range so there is no heat
storage. Thus it is unavailable for the next body. The only fuel
that is going to be saved is that which it took to heat the oven in
the first place.

And as you appear willing to be seriously discuss the matter I will
point out that if you intend upon using the burning fat in the body
then we will be considering at the same time why human fat did not
burn the first time at Treblinka. If it burns in a fire in one place
it burns in a fire in all places.

So even if your calculations, when you post them, just happen to
show that indeed I am wrong on the ovens, your inclusion of burning
fat will demonstrate the “eyewitnesses” to Treblinka were indeed lying
and therefore their entire “testimonies” are discredited.

All of the claims are considered as one. They are not piecemealed
out with individual partial explanations and a lot of hand waving. As
above, simply saying 9kcal is not enough. Your calculations please.

>>>Nevertheless, it is impossible that there should be a real debate when
>>>one side is happily willing to propagate falsehoods. The discussion
>>>regresses to a matter of assertion and debunking.
>>
>> That is again your opinion but TRUE OR FALSE that does not justify
>>disruption of this conference. Whether you like revisionism or
>>revisionists or any thing else, that does not give you license to post
>>off topic.
>
> Who appointed you the supreme judge of what is and isn’t the topic
>here? Did you newgrp this conference?

As I said, I am a hardworking volunteer, like that guy who searches
the net for spams and issues kills for them. You should thank me for
preventing the disruption of the conference by off topic posters.

>> Mere assertion is off topic here.
>
> And how many thousands of your posts contained mere assertion, without
>any references? Would you like to return to the cremation discussion?

Yes. Now that you know the entire context of it I doubt you will
but, your calculations first to start it off.

>>>Alright. Leave aside your web page for a minute. You have stated that
>>>I am “invited” to post here if I am civil about it. But YOU don’t have
>>>to be civil, do you? Why the double standard? Why are you exempt from
>>>the standards you set for others?
>>
>> I respond in kind. Do you really believe YFE is telling the truth?
>
> About what? About the fact that you sent him email, for instance?
>Yes, I believe him.

I was talking about criminal part of his claim. I was talking
about his ommission of the minor point that he initiated the email
exchange.

> Your ISP looks at their sendmail logs and confirms you did send the
>email. That is their physical evidence.

Where did the ISP come into this? They agreed only that the
response to his email came from me. In fact it was stated that it was
his constant complaints over the same issue that were the deciding
factor.

> They conclude from the physical evidence that you are a deliberately
>harrassing Yale after being told to stop. And then lying about it. And
>the next thing you know, you are forced to find a new ISP.

Excuse me. Can you give me the name of the person at the ISP who
you that?

> It would not surprise me greatly if this is what got you tossed from
>Cybergate. I never saw you do anything in public which deserved that
>treatment, but of course I would not know about email.

However, I have posted the reason I was given. They Cybergate was
being harrassed with phonecals and email and being sent mailbombs and
that I was not worth the trouble.

> And it is all because you are too pigheaded to admit that in the
>thousand posts you make each month, there might be one or two or three
>times you could have slipped a quarter inch with your mouse.
>
> You call Yale a jew liar instead.

He is a jew and he is lying. What would you call it?

And get bounced from ISP to ISP for
>(among other things) sending unwanted email after being told to stop.

You mean email name calling? Is there a rule about contents in alt
conferences?

> What do you think you gain from this?

I was called an anti-semite and a nazi on this conference on the
first subject I discussed. I was very civil about it. I was
attacked. Consider it satisfaction that holobuggery is out and the
conference is back on topic.

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On 20 Nov 1996 04:27:07 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>This way to the Bath, please., or the VanAlstine Tales.
>
> Obviously a vast number of stories about the
>”showers” at Birkenau are confused, contradictory
>and clearly at odds with the physical evidence at the
>site. The stories are of two types:
>Whips and dogs-emphasis on force driving the victims
>underground; and
>Girls in blue skirts playing gay music-emphasis on
> pure trickery.
>However, as a Revisionist, it was not the most
>ridiculous Holocaust story that had to be explained
>but the most cogent one. I had shrugged the matter off,
>sort of going along with the Whips and Dogs approach.
>Then Mark Van Alstine wrote on 07 Nov 1996 a list
>of stories. From his quotes, it appears that the
>”trickery” stories are clearly SHM. Of course, all of
>Alstine’s stories have clear impossiblities in them
>but that is grist for another posting.
>
>The physical layout of Kremas II and III does not lend
>itself to tricking people into an underground gaschamber.
>There was no fence or gate at the back (western)
> end of the camp. No crowd control measures and ditches
>and trees at the critical area of the turn into the
>”gaschambers”. The stairs into the Leichenkeller were
>narrow and steep. The Leichenkeller itself was low ceilinged.
>By low ceilinged, I mean about 1.9 meters high.
>(That’s about 6 feet for you, Mark)
>The victims had to walk around the Krema itself (no
>looking into the windows). This was an criticism of
>the “Girls in blue skirts playing gay music” stories.
>
> Here are the VanAlstine tales snipped to demonstrate the
>paramont importance of trickery to the Birkenau
>story.

What I have noticed in these stories is that none of them match the
Krema/LK layout, not even coming close. If, as someone here tried to
do, you pick and choose from several stories you get some of the
features. But if you look at each of those stories in their entirity
you find that they contradict in other places.

For example I have not found one that mentions the very obvious
observation of “going around back of the big building to the shower
building” or something to that effect.

> The VanAlstine Tales

Is it not more accurately the tales of

(Czech, _KL Auschwitz_, pp.175-176.) ?

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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:36:54 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
OBE) wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:44:44 -0500, Hardwire
> wrote:
>
>>Harry W. Mazal OBE wrote:
>>
>>[Unimportant stuph deleted]
>
>Stuph?
>
>>>[…] Why would someone who proudly proclaims to be his
>>>”own person” employ a pseudonym unless said person had
>>>something to hide?
>
>>
>>There’s another post on this concept elsewhere in this group. In it I
>>feel I have stated my reasons to use a nym quite clearly.
>
>Quite so. This is a free country. If Mr. “Hardwire” wishes to
>remain anonymous, he is at total liberty to do so. He cannot,
>however, expect his credibility to soar.

How does one know that Harry W. Mazal is your real name? And as we
do not, what credibility does that give you? Rather what does the
name used have to do with credibility?

>Nizkor (USA) An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
>Over 1000 Megs of data: https://nizkor.org
>Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
>Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction – permanently!)

The URL, the mail drop and the synagogue phone number.

What was that you were saying about credibility?

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From: [email protected] (BB)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,fl.general,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism — Gate.Net Refuses to Help
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:50:48 -0500, [email protected] (Sara aka
Perrrfect) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>> You continue to promote a lying jewish organization. But you know
>> that.
>>
>> Such jewish lies are not welcome here.
>
>
>Mr. Giwer quotes an entire thread to Harry Mazelto post these two
>sentences, and of course, his huge .sig.
>
>Let’s take a vote… Which of the two gentlemen involved in this discussion
>is *really* not welcome here?

Nizkor is still a front for a synagogue and that after all the
protestations of independence and poverty.

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From: [email protected] (BB)
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On 20 Nov 1996 15:49:55 GMT, [email protected] (william c
anderson) wrote:

>Treblinka Veggie Garden ([email protected]) wrote:
>: On 20 Nov 1996 04:17:00 GMT, [email protected] (Andrew Carol) wrote:
>
>: >Silly Zog, tricks are for goys!
>:
>: If you should find the time, would you care to explain the Avi
>: Shavit and the papers that carry him that there is no Zionist control
>: of the US Government and media? There’s a good bubbie.
>
>Geez, Matt–you really CAN’T read, can you? ZOG Commander Carol
>isn’t denying that JOOS dominate the media–he’s exulting in it.

I simply did not want anyone to get the idea that it is not true
due to the way he presented it. I sort of got the idea he might be
trying do downplay what the world knows and what AIPAC boasts about
being true to make it appear untrue.

I certainly hope you do not mind my continuing to post the evidence
in support of the facts from sources that do not exaggerate them so.

From g[email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:25 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (BB)
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Subject: Re: DO JEWS RUN/CONTROL QUEBEC?
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:36:59 GMT
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On Tue, 19 Nov 96 14:55:38 GMT, [email protected] (Bernie Farber) wrote:

> wrote:
>>Bernie, on TV was shown the CJC minions, under the Jewish flag of Israel,
>>requesting the resignation of M.Roux!!!!
>>
>>I am sure that you can also get a copy of the videotape news report, so
>>that you can see what your jewish brethren say!!!
>
>Bernie Farber responds:
>You are a pathological LIAR. I have the tape! CJC NEVER asked for
>Roux’s resignation.
>For all those uninitiated out there, here is a wonderful example of exactly
>how the process of Holocaust denial actually works. Tell a whopper of
>a lie, claim to have proof (which ofcourse is also a lie) and pray that the
>gullible are deceived.
>
>Thankfully, most Canadians can see right through the, “acumens, Grosvenors
>and Warheits” of the world for the pathetic liars they are. Get a life boys!

Some place out there in usenet land there is certainly a conference
where this is on topic. Why not make the effort to find it and post
there?

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:26 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Full Name)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism — Gate.Net Refuses to Help
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On 17 Nov 1996 16:15:23 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Fergus McClelland) writes:
>> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>> (Yale F. Edeiken
>> > If British “culture” includes lying, extortion, harassment, forgery, and
>> >invasion of privacy as acceptable behavior, than I have another reason to
>be
>> >thankful for the American Revolution.
>>
>> Here I assume that you are implying that Matt Giwer is “guilty” of all
>> those acts you list.
>
> I am sorry that you take my statements as an implication. Let me
>clarify. I state positively that the criminal Giwer did those things.

You are then even more clearly a jewish liar and a jewish libeler.

>> You get more interesting when you claim extortion. What on earth has
>> he extorted and from whom? I look forward to details, or I may have to
>> assume that you are fantasizing.
>
> I suggest you check the nizkor files in which a clear attempt at
>extortion was made.

So a URL and a mail drop is now a reputable source? You are a
silly shit jew liar.

=====
http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html
http://www.codoh.com/
“History, as usual, will tell lies.” GBS

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From: [email protected] (BB)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Wither the ten million?
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 06:58:23 GMT
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No matter how many times I bring it up, no holohubber appears
interested in deal with the nine to ten million people in mass graves
all over eastern europe, as in ten thousand of so mass graves but only
a very few found and those associated with non-racial events.

Does anyone have any idea why no one will attempt to address that
issue?

From g[email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:28 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (BB)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Who Rules Konen? That National Alliance Two-Step
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On 19 Nov 1996 07:07:44 -0800, [email protected] (Ken McVay
OBC) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (John Morris) wrote:
>
>>But refute what? You are the current Usenet Fuehrer for the National
>>Alliance. The National Alliance tells you to hate Jews, so you hate
>>Jews. The National Alliance tells you to pretend that the Holocaust
>>never happened, so you pretend that the Holocaust never happened. The
>>National Alliance tells you that the Jews got what they deserved, so
>>you believe the Jews got what they deserved. The National Alliance
>>tells you that you may lie in order to achieve your goals, so you lie.
>>The National Alliance tells you that your target constituency is a
>>bunch of idiots glued their TV sets in haze of beer farts, so you
>>insult them by assuming that your vapid ranting will convince them to
>>put you in power.
>
>You have to love it – here’s another ignorant puppet,

Puppet? When the synagogue screens your calls?

Ken McVay, the useful goy for the synagogue.

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From: [email protected] (BB)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Israeli Court Values Palestinian Life at One-Third of a Cent
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:49:23 -0500, [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy)
wrote:

>[email protected] (tom moran) wrote:
>
>> Talmud:
>>
>> “He who so ever sould save the life of a Jew, is as if he saved
>> the life of the whole world.”
>>
>> Inversely, ‘He who so ever saves the life of a goy, is as if he
>> saved nothing.’
>
>This has been debunked already.

Just put in your six Palestinians worth, I see.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:29 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Sidney the Yid)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 07:31:44 -0500, Hardwire
wrote:

>Daniel Keren wrote:
>>
>> [email protected] writes:
>[SNIPPED for brevity. I hate it when these things grow to pages.]
>>
>> I thought I explained it. In the camps which Wirth
>> supervised (Belzec, Treblinka, Sobibor) wood was used
>> to burn the corpses. Therefore, it makes sense to
>> assume that Morgen meant that wood was used, as
>> opposed to fuel such as gasoline.
>
>So it’s a matter of semantics? I’ve seen another post wherein it states
>(I believe it was a snippet from some text) that a method was produced
>in which bodies could be incinerated without fuel. Wood is still fuel,
>as much as gasoline is. And another point would be that it would take
>an aweful lot of wood to incinerate as many bodies as have been
>claimed. I’d think some sort of mass defoliation in the area would have
>occurred.
>
>>
>> The fact that Giwer omitted these three words “developed
>> by Wirth” cannot be accidental.
>>
>> -Danny Keren.
>
>Hmm,.. that I don’t know. As I also don’t know what exactly was meant
>by the quote stating that no fuel was necessary in the incineration
>process. Was it a matter of Wirth discounting wood as fuel, or did he
>mean that some other source of energy was used? It’s all pretty useless
>to argue really.. I don’t think we can ask Wirth what he meant.

Actually it is two points, that it was referred as a “special
method” and “without fuel.” It is unclear haw any human being who
lived less that two million years ago could possibly have considered
the use of wood to be a special method given that it is the most
fundamental and oldest means of fire by millions of years.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:30 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (bud)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Holocaust Story is a Hate Crime
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On Mon, 04 Nov 1996 16:55:48 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>>
>> The Holocaust story relates some of the most wicked claims in
>>world history. If it’s true then it deserves attention. If it’s true,
>>then it wouldn’t be a ‘hate crime’ to harp and harp.
>> But, then again, if the story is not true, then it is a ‘hate
>>crime’. Considering the obsessive, eternal and constant harping on the
>>story, if it’s not true, then it is the hate crime of the milennia.
>
> Since so many components of the Holocaust story have been shown
>to be and accepted to be lies, and are now deleted from the story, and
>that there is still much controversy to the subject, then it deserves
>wide scale, global attention and must be put up for grand debate.
> Anyone opposing this is trying to hide something, bring
>totalitarian policy, stifle freedom of speech, make all the lives lost
>for the cause of truth and freedom a wasted thing.

I don’t always agree with all of what you say, Tom, but in this and
certain other areas I have before and do now post my agreement. This
constant attempt at squelching their opponents, calling them names,
attempting to imprison those who disagree… It smacks of more than
just intolerance… The Revisionists are “on to something” here,
although to what extent will be a long time coming due to the
foolishness of many of these exterminationists. Shame…

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:31 PST 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:49:47 +0000, Dene Bebbington
wrote:

>I’m replying publicly to a private email since the writer didn’t give
>his name or email address, although it doesn’t take much to guess who it
>was…

If you had replied privately you would have been asked never to do
so again IF it was a copy of a public post. But you know that.

>* * <*@*.*> writes:
>>On Sat, 9 Nov 1996 19:50:47 +0000, Dene Bebbington
>>wrote in alt.revisionism:
>>
>>>Matt Giwer, aka NotThisis Aforgery wrote:
>>>>[email protected] () wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>KEN MCVAY – A PROFILE
>>>> You can see his ugly puss at:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.eye.net/News/Eyenet/1994/net1110.htm
>>
>>>Hey Giwer, that URL doesn’t exist.
>
>What, no answer to this one? Is this indicative of your honesty?

An erronious URL now means something to the terminally desperate.
=====
http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions
http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust
http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report
http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven’s Website
http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith)
http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents
http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L’Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et
d’Holocauste (also in English)
http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz
http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute

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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 16:13:54 GMT, [email protected] (John
Morris) wrote:

>In <[email protected]>, Matt Giwer posting as >[email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden) wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> As I will point out to them as well as to the holobuggers, I have
>>continued my agressive stance and at the moment we have only three
> ^^^^^^^^
>>buggers still posting and the terminally bewildered Keren still
>>spamming.
>
>Aggressive.

When all else fails, attack the spelling.

From g[email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:33 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (BB)
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Subject: Re: Anti-semitic acts
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:57:16 GMT
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On 20 Nov 1996 16:38:29 GMT, [email protected] (Richard
Schultz) wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>
>: However, it is curious that Grynzpan survived the war.
>
>What makes you think that he survived the war? Every account of
>Kristallnacht and its aftermath that I have read says that the Germans
>captured him in France with the apparent intention of having some sort
>of “show trial” which never took place — and that Grynspan was never
>heard from again, during or after the war.

And how does this explain a lawyer from a French version of the ADL
showing up at the police station to “defend the assassin” before the
man had died?

Does this explain why the people who were arrested for
PARTICIPATING in and causing the destruction of Krystallnacht were
primarily jewish or reported having been paid by a jew to do it?

German Jews were the underground against the Nazis from the moment
they formed the government in 1933. That is common knowledge. It is
simply undesired knowledge.

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On 20 Nov 1996 18:26:26 -0000, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:

>—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—–
>
>[email protected] a.k.a. Prince Myshkin writes:
>> Thus, given current events, lets us consider that Krystallnacht was
>>perpetrated by Jews, as that is most likely.
>
> Ever consider taking a course in logic, Matt? It’s amazing stuff and
>makes its user less likely to make a total fool of themselves.

Lets get back to the point that since well over half and up to 90%
of antisemitic crimes are committed by jews that the odds are in favor
of Krystallnacht having been an organized action of Jews. We know a
lawyer from a French version of the ADL was at the police station to
represent the assassin within three hours, before it was in the news
and before the victim had died.

It sounds very coordinated to me.

From g[email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:35 PST 1996
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:56:42 -0500, [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy)
wrote:

>Intellectual…dishonesty? “Dishonesty”?

Dishonesty? Jamie “Nizkor is not affiliated with any other
organization including the synagogue that answers our phone” McCarthy?

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:36 PST 1996
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Owned and operated by a synagogue.

And after all the remonstrances to the contrary.

What pathethic goys. Or are they really goy?

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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:57:19 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
OBE) wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:48:52 GMT, [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie
>Garden) wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:17:15 GMT, [email protected] (Kurt Stele)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 17 Nov 1996 22:23:43 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Hardwire writes:
>>>>> Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > a civil matter. What the criminal Giwer did was a crime.
>
>[text deleted]
>>
>> But then what else do you expect from a little pigshit jew? It
>>really is pathetic to see a drunken jew rant the “he wants to make a
>>ma a lampshade” routine.
>
>Another superb and literate note from a leading voice of contemporary
>Holocaust “revisionism.” How can the lurkers not feel attracted to
>such cogent arguments. Mr. Giwer, under whatever pseudonym he picks,
>is the best thing that has ever happened to this newsgroup. His
>brilliant thoughts and incisive responses almost match those of Mr.
>Stele (Smith). Schizophrenia rules!
>
>
>
>
>Harry W. Mazal OBE
>
>Nizkor (USA) An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
>Over 1000 Megs of data: https://nizkor.org
>Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
>Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction – permanently!)

Mazal, owned an operated by a synagogue for his marching orders.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:37 PST 1996
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:08:06 +0000, Chuck Ferree
wrote:

>Chuck Ferree wrote:
>
>Veggie Garden Huh!!! Bet my zuccinis are bigger than yours!!!
>
>
>Treblinka Veggie Garden wrote:
>
>clips
>
>
>> >Chuckle Fairy
>>
>> Have you checked into the news about the BILLIONS of dollars those
>> poor eastern european jews
>
> blah, blah, blah!!!
>
>My opinion is that Clinton won, Dole lost, and Ross should get a job
>at Sears

It is good to see you now agree that those poor Jews could not have
deposited the BILLIONS of dollars they are now demanding.

Face it, either they were rich then or are lying now. Which is it?
You do not have a middle ground on this issue. Which is it going to
be?

Which aspect of your belief system are you going to have to change
as a result of this claim?

Answer, not one part of your belief system as you can not deal with
this contradiction so late in life. You entire view of them has to
change but you will fight it. At your age it will be very hard.

But then you started this exchange with me. I did not start with
you. What you ask for, you get.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:38 PST 1996
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On 20 Nov 1996 10:06:45 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

> [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden) writes:
> Does Israel still have the version of the Nuremberg Laws to
> prohibits a non-Jew from marrying a Jew?
>
> =====
> http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
> http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light
> http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
> http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions
> http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust
> http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam
> http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report
> http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report
> http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven’s Website
> http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
> http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith)
> http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents
> http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L’Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et
> d’Holocauste (also in English)
> http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz
> http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
> http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute
>
>I don’t know about that one, but they do have a code that defines
>a Jew.

The question is “do they still” as they did in fact have such a
law. I remember several stories on the industry of marriage cruises
out of the country, for people to get married. This was no more than
ten years ago that non-Jews were prohibited from marrying Jews in
Israel.

Only a child born of a Jewish mother is a Jew. There was
>a case where a woman emigrated to Israel from eastern europe. The
>woman, we were told, had been in the “holocaust”. She died in her
>beloved Israel and was buried there. However, it soon came to the
>attention of Rabbis that the woman’s mother had not been Jewish-
>only the father. To the stunned astonishment of the woman’s family,
>the rabbis marched into the Jewish cemetary and dug her very corpse
>up from the ground and tossed it out of the cemetary. What a welcome home!
>This story originated in the publication “Jewish Currents”.
>
>Also, a few years back, and rather reminiscent of the Nazis yellow
>badge, the Prime Minister of Israel, goaded on by fanatical rabbis,
>issued a decree that anyone who was a CONVERT to Judaism
>had to have their passport stamped with a large “C” to show to
>the authorities that they were not really Jews. In Sammy Davis Jr.’s
>case, it obviously wouldn’t have made any difference.

It all goes to show that Israel is at least as racist as Nazi
Germany ever was even down to the price on the lives of Palestinians.

And of course, what else did we expect in the face of such
vociferious denials and defenses?

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Subject: Re: ‘However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed’
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:57:18 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
OBE) wrote:

>On 20 Nov 1996 09:59:31 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal OBE) writes:
>> On 19 Nov 1996 23:08:55 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Indeed, the allies had used and initiated the use of gas during the first world war.
>>
>> Is that so? Mr. Blackmore will surely be willing to post proof
>>> positive about this. I believe that he cannot do this.
>
>>There is a difference between criminals and civilians, although I don’t
>>expect a fool like you to recognize that difference. And indeed you
>>don’t. Either way you are at the losers end of the stick, and the
>> old Holocaust just ain’t what it used to be. Of course I can and will
>> post proof that the allies initiated theuse of poison gas during the first
>> world war
>
>Mr. Blackmore cannot post proof positive that the Allies initiated the
>use of poison gas during the First World War. It was, to his eternal
>embarrassment, the German army that first employed poison gases as
>almost every history written during that period will prove.

You have the current lie wrong. Get back to the synagogue and find
out the stories your handlers want you to be telling. You are getting
it very wrong.

The URL, the mail drop and the synagogue phone number.

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Does Israel still have the version of the Nuremberg Laws to
prohibits a non-Jew from marrying a Jew?

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From: [email protected] (BB)
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:57:11 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
OBE) wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 04:23:54 GMT, [email protected] (Kurt Stele)
>wrote:
>
>>On 20 Nov 1996 16:27:54 GMT, [email protected] (Richard
>>Schultz) wrote:
>
>[considerable text removed for brevity]
>
>>
>>>One extremely confused person ([email protected]) wrote:
>>>
>>>: >Then put up or shut up:
>
>>>: Sure little shit liar.
>
>
>>>So my challenge remains: either provide an example of a lie about chemistry
>>>that I have posted to Usenet, or withdraw your libellous claim.
>>
>>Go to hell lying holohugger shit. You lend your chemistry degree to
>>give versimilitude to a hoax? You are a disgrace to science and all
>>multi-celled animals.
>
>What have we here? A representative of a White Supremacy organization
>is challenging a scientist? Furthermore, Mr. “Stele” (aka Brian
>Smith) continues to use his tired, worn-out, juvenile vulgarities in
>an effort to cover up the fact that what he knows about exothermic
>reactions can be written on the head of a pin with a felt-tipped pen.
>
>Only (a few) single-cell animals posess less reason than Mr. “Stele.”

As a typical lying jew you first accuse him, without evidence of
being representative. Then as a typical jew, you believe any posting
>from somone who represents himself as being a jew.

You know absolutely nothing of science so you can not judge.

Nothing but a lying jew, just like the synagogue that fronts nizkor
as independent.

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On 20 Nov 1996 18:49:09 -0000, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>> I do not bother with URL that are only maildrops and synagogue
>>fronts. Such shams are not of interest. They have no standing.
>
> Translation: Matt sticks his nose in the air and ignores advice about
>falling into holes in the ground. If he keeps this up, his standing will be his
>falling (again).

Would you like to read AGAIN Ken McVay denying that he is a front
for jews?

You can speculate, accuse, alledge that others here are dishonest.
But there is now proof that McVay, McCarthy and Ostrov are dishonest
and are a front for jews.

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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:23:17 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>[email protected] writes:
>
>## [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>## Testimony of SS-Obersturmfuehrer Dr. Fritz Klein
>
>[…]
>
># More nonsense from Mr. Keren as well as from Klein.
>
>But of course. Everyone who was in the camps – EVERYONE – is
>talking nonsense, and only our crazed “revisionists”, who were
>never in them, know the truth?
>
>I mean, is this a joke or what?
>
>Everyone who was there is lying, and only you clowns know the
>truth?
>
># Now, as to the fate of Dr. Wirtz-perhaps
># Mr. Keren would care to enlighten us-or perhaps not?
>
>He was hanged by the Poles.
>
>
>-Danny Keren.

Dimunative Danny Keren, mentioned by Ken McVay where he denied that
he was a Jewish front organizaion.

Does not little Danny feel a bit the sucker?

How does little Danny show his face here after being found a front
and a sham?

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:43 PST 1996
Article: 80908 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: ‘The Jews from two of these transports were gassed’
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:37:08 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>[email protected] writes:
>
># This is an obvious fake, as there is a reference to the Wannsee
># Conference, which had nothing to do with exterminating human
># beings.
>
>How odd. Even “leading revisionist” Matt Giwer agrees that the
>decision stated in the Wannsee Protocols is to murder all the
>Jews “fit for work”. What do you think they planned to do with
>the rest?

Another goy lying for his synagogue. Have you shills no shame?
Where is your integrity now that we all know you are a front for a
synagogue?

Do you think you can ignore this and that it will all blow over and
go away?

Do you think that a few phone number changes will make a
difference? McVay tried that by having his milnet listing removed but
no one believes it.

>But what can one expect from a cheap liar like you? Want to
>tell us again how Goeth was “executed by the SS for killing
>Jews”, while he was in fact tried and executed by the Poles
>after the war?
>
>He was executed twice?
>
>You’re a cheap, lying Nazi apologist.
>
>
>-Danny Keren.

And you, Danny Keren, are a known front for a syangogue in Canada.
You Danny Keren are a publically exposed LIAR along with McVay. Have
you no shame?

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:44 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: ‘The tins were filled to the brim with blue granules’
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:44:22 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>[email protected] writes:
>
>## [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>##
>## Testimony of SS-Unterscharfuehrer Pery Broad, describing
>## gassing in Krema I in Auschwitz
>
># Pery Broad is not the best of witnesses. As is customary in
># cases of this type, he initially denied that people were ever
># gassed at Auschwitz, then changed and said that people
># were gassed but he didn’t have anything to do with it.
>
>When and where did he deny the gassings?
>
>I assume you’re lying through your teeth, just like you
>lied about Goeth. Go ahead and surprise me.
>
>
>-Danny Keren.

Hey, you goy shill for a synagogue, when do you get some pride in
yourself?

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:45 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: ‘Afterwards it would once again be used for gassing’
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:13:21 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>[email protected] writes:
>
>## [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>## Testimony of gas-van driver Walter Burmeister
>
>[…]
>
># If you don’t mind my asking, what sort of sentence did this man
># receive after the war?
>
>I don’t know. Most of the Treblinka and Auschwitz SS-staff who
>were tried by the Germans got 5-10 years, although some got
>life. It should not be too difficult to find out what Burmeister
>got.
>
>
>-Danny Keren.

What else would a goy shill for a synagogue say?

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:46 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
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Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Grynspam Swine?
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On 18 Nov 1996 00:24:52 GMT, [email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <328eb21[email protected]> – [email protected] (Full Name)Sun,
>17 Nov 1996 11:56:49 GMT writes:
>:>
>:>On 16 Nov 96 22:13:45, [email protected] (Alec Grynspan) wrote:
>:>
>:>><*[*] [*] [* *] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
>:>><+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [15 Nov 96 >:>>03:47][*][0]*>
>:>>
>:>> >> even by the most tolerant of sysops. It was only a matter of
>:>> >> time before he’d manage the same trick on the Net. Of course,
>:>> >> he is free to find another ISP among the teeming zillions out
>:>> >> there and start over.
>:>>
>:>> > Totally untrue but you are a known liar.
>:>>
>:>>”The most banned user in the known universe.”
>:>>
>:>>Who is a known liar, Matt?
>:>
>:> You, among others, of course. You even lie by omission when you
>:>read people state that I have been banned by Fido and by DEBATE on
>:>Fido and you know that it is not true, you remain silent. That is a
>:>REAL Jew.
>
>A typical Giwer lie. He was indeed banished from the Debate echo. And just
>about every other one in which he participated.

As has been pointed out, Alec as Co-Moderator of the conference
with Lester S. Garrett as moderator, knows your claim is untrue. But
he lets the lie stand by his silence.

You see? He really is a Jew.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:47 PST 1996
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Not that only one heavily researched and footnoted issue using
reputable sources was introduced in evidence against him. It appears
that his crime was researching the article and presenting the results.
What a crime, a hate crime, the exercise of free inquiry and freedom
of the press.

What an evil person to have found all of the material footnoted in
his evil article.

The May, 1934 issue of Der Sturmer was
entered into evidence as the “worst act of
anti-Semitism” committed by Streicher. This
entire issue was a feature of the centuries-old
accusation that secret sects of extremist
orthodox Jews would crucify a Christian child
during Passover, using the blood in a ritual
ceremony. This accusation is known among
Jews as “Blood Libel.”

Considering the number of weird and murderous
cults afflicting the United States since World War
II, Streicher’s charges have great credibility.

Not Allowed To Answer Inquisitors: Streicher
thoroughly researched this subject, citing many
sources with footnotes. His defense attorney
asked him to reply to the prosection’s charge that
he had no documentary proof that such crimes
were once practiced by certain Jews. Streicher
answered:

“The sources were given in that issue.
There was reference made to a book
written in Greek by a former Rabbi
who had been converted to
Christianity. There was reference to a
publication of a high clergyman of
Milan. Not even did Jews raise
objections to that book.

Ritual murder is referred to in court
files which are located in Rome. There
are pictures in it which show that in 23
cases, the Church itself has dealt with
the question. The Church (Catholic)
has canonized 23 non-Jews killed by
ritual murder.

Pictures of sculptures, that is, of stone
monuments were shown as
illustrations. Everywhere (in Der
Sturmer) the source was pointed
out…But in this connection I should like
to say, we never wanted to assert that
all Jewry was ready now to commit
ritual murders. But it is a fact that
within Jewry there exists a sect which
engaged in these murders. I have
asked my council to submit to the
Court a file from Pisek in
Czechoslovakia, very recent
proceedings. A court of appeal has
confirmed a case of ritual murder.
Thus, in conclusion I must say…”

At this point Streicher’s testimony is cut off by
Judge Jackson, who stated,

“I object to this statement…He ought to
be returned to his cell and any further
statements that he wishes to make
transmitted through his counsel to this
court; he should be held in contempt of
court.”

Held in contempt for pointing out that his article was well
researched and supported by external sources. What a “contemptable
thing to do.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:48 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Himmler Talks About the Jews, I
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:14:02 -0500, [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>
>> Speechs by Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler before senior SS officers in Poznan,
>> October 4 and 6, 1943
>
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> Back to Posen again! This is hardly conclusive evidence of an
>> extermination plan. There are, in fact, 2 versions of this alleged speech
>> and both of them differ in content, tone, and style, even thought they were
>> given only 2 days apart.
>
>Um, they were two totally different speeches. They were given to
>different audiences and did not cover the same subjects. We have
>Himmler’s notes for both, but only fragments of the Oct. 6th speech
>survive.
>
>> The recording said to have been made of this
>> “secret speech” is unconvincing and does not correspond with Himmler’s
>> hand written notes of the same, which survived the war and may now be seen
>> at the Smithsonian. The “damaging” excerpts of a very POOR quality recording
>
>It’s not bad quality at all. You’ve listened to Nizkor’s RealAudio
>digitized version of it, at approximately 8000 bits per second. Don’t
>blame Internet technology for Himmler’s recordings.

And of course NEVER EVER blame a front for the synagogue for not
knowing what in the hell he is doing.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:49 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Goebbels Talks About the Jews, II
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On 21 Nov 1996 01:06:37 -0500, [email protected] (Michael P.
Stein) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, wrote:
>>> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>> The Goebbels [Reich propaganda Minister] Diaries, February 14 1942
>>> [The Goebbels Diaries 1942-1943 – L.P. Lochner, Doubleday & Co., 1948,
>>> p. 86]
>>> —————————————————————-
>>> World Jewry will suffer a great catastrophe at the same time as
>>> Bolshevism. The Fuehrer once more expressed his determination to
>>> clean up the Jews in Europe pitilessly. There must be no squeamish
>>> sentimentalism about it. The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that
>>> has now overtaken them. Their destruction will now go hand in hand
>>> with the destruction of our enemies. We must hasten this process
>>> with cold ruthlessness.
>>>
>>>
>>And? What is this supposed to prove even if it is accurate?
>
> Remember, according to revisionist theory, all the Nazis were trying
>to do was resettle the Jews in Russia, not kill them. So where does the
>speaker get off using words like “destruction?”

Now just who said that? The only thing I have heard is that IF the
Wannsee document is true then the objective was to settle them EAST of
Russia. Why do you not get the story straight?

> I guess you would claim that even if Goebbels was writing accurately,
>all it proves is that this Fuehrer fellow – whoever he was – had no idea
>what official Nazi policy towards the Jews was. I mean, it’s not like
>Goebbels heard this bit about destruction from anyone who was of any real
>importance or had any knowledge of what official government policy might
>be….

1) That was his testimony and official statement on the matter.

2) No evidence was introduced at Nuremberg that contradicted his
testimony showing that he did know about any such thing.

So what is your point in this? That the communists produced
witnesses? They were very good at that.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:50 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Frank Talks About the Jews, II
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 07:56:36 -0700, [email protected] (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> > [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>> > Speech by Frank [Governor of occupied Poland], December 16 1941
>> > [Documents on the Holocaust – Edited by Y. Arad, Y. Gutman, A. Margaliot,
>> > NY, Ktav Pub. House in Association with Yad-Vashem, 1981, p. 247, Nazi
>> > Conspiracy and Aggression – Washington, U.S Govt. Print.
>> > Off., 1946 Vol. II p. 634]
>> > —————————————————————
>> > One way or another — I will tell you quite openly — we must finish
>> > off the Jews. The Fuehrer put it into words once: should united Jewry
>> > again succeed in setting off a world war, then the blood sacrifice
>> > shall not be made only by the peoples driven into war, but then the
>> > Jew of Europe will have met his end….
>> >
>> > But what should be done with the Jews? Can you believe that they will
>> > be accommodated in settlements in the Ostland? In Berlin we were told:
>> > why are you making all this trouble? We don’t want them either, not in
>> > Ostland nor in the Reichskommissariat; liquidate them yourselves!
>> > Gentlemen, I must ask you to steel yourselves against all
>> > considerations of compassion. We must destroy the Jews wherever we
>> > find them, and wherever it is at all possible, in order to maintain
>> > the whole structure of the Reich…
>> >
>> These statements by Frank are really irrelevant to the holocaust, as
>> Frank had no authority to issue orders to either the SS or gestapo….
>
>Irrelevant? Hardly. Frank continues: “…At any rate, we will have to find
>a way which will lead to the goal [i.e to “annihilate the Jews” -MV], and
>I have my thoughts about that….The Jews are for us also very parasitical
>eaters. We have in the _Generalgouvernement_ and estimated 2,500,000 [a
>gross overestimate], maybe – together with _Michlinge and all that hangs
>on, 3,500,000 Jews, we can’t poison them , but we will be able to take
>some kind of action which will lead to an annihilation success, and I am
>refering to the measures discussed in the Reich. The _Generalgouvernement_
>will have to become just as _judenfrei_ as the Reich. Where and how this
>is going to happen is a task for the agencies which we will have to create
>and establish here, and I am going to tell you how they are to work when
>the time comes.” (Hilberg, _Destruction_, p.309; Summary of conference of
>December 16, 1941, including verbatim remorks by Frank, Frank diary,
>PS-2233.)

Perhaps he was referring to the cooperation of the Nazis and the
Jewish Zionists to move them all to Palestine. Remember they were
partners in the “destruction of European Jewery.” I know you have a
problem with that. But you must learn to deal with it.

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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:37:27 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
OBE) wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 07:24:31 GMT, [email protected] (Swiss bank
>billions) wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 05:33:42 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
>>OBE) wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:30:08 -0400, Alan Belkin
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>[email protected] wrote:
>
>>> http://grove.ufl.edu/~mcolker/jews.html
>>>
>>>after which they can eat their hearts out!
>>
>>404 Not Found
>>
>>The requested URL /~mcolker/jews.html was not found on this server.
>>
>>
>> Anybody can do that.
>
>
>But not just anybody did.
>
>Someone with a tiny bit of curiosity can find the information if he
>really wants to. Start with:
>
> http://grove.ufl.edu/~mcolker/
>
>and follow the indications.
>
>Surprise!
>
>Not too hard, I hope…

404 Not Found

The requested URL /~mcolker/ was not found on this server.

It still isn’t very hard.

Now why not find it again and cut and paste the URL from the
browser? That’s a good bubbie.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:52 PST 1996
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On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 20:00:04 -0500, [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy)
wrote:

> Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
> [email protected] Co-Webmaster of https://nizkor.org/

I have a serious question for you “Co-Webmaster”. How does it feel
do discover you have been working nothing for a synagogue and McVay
was lying to you all along? Or did you know it all along and were
lying to us?

It would be desirable for you to answer both questions but one or
the other will be sufficient.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:53 PST 1996
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On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 06:11:21 -0500, Hardwire
wrote:

>Gord McFee wrote:
>>
>> And in so doing, I am sure you also support your drunken “friend’s” attempt to
>> post Mr. Mcvay’s personal address and phone number, knowing full well that the
>> nutsos would just love to get their hands on McVay?
>>
>
>Nope, didn’t say that I supported anything of the sort Gord. If McVay’s
>personal address and phone number are private then it’s wrong to post
>them (even if in retaliation for some offense), however if Giwer came by
>them through total normal and legal means then it is simply the posting
>of public information. After all, Matt’s had his share of harassment at
>the hands of the “holohugger” nustos… quid pro quo.

I used a technique that is incomprehensible to these people. It is
called “whois” so you can see it is well beyond them. What they did
not like was my finding his milnet listing which was deleted as soon
as I made it public.

He was either using the DOD DNS to host Nizkor with the approval of
the US DOD or he was doing so in violation of his contract, making
personal use of the equipment. Now that we know Nizkor is no more
than a front for a synagogue we are led to the conclusion that the
synagogue was part of the contract fraud.

Regardless of the synagogue involvement, McVay is either a DOD
agent in hosting Nizkor or was in violation of his contract in hosting
Nizkor. Either way there is little to be said for his credibility.

>> :>To emphasize this I point to a phone call that was made to my provider
>> :>asking if I “was there”, after which he was informed that no such person
>> :>was present he responded “Fuck you fatass.” and hung up. At present,
>> :>they, as well as I believe this phone call was made by Marduk.
>>
>> Oh. So you see Marduk everywhere too? Must have been a good batch.
>
>Ok, let’s put it this way. Simply so you’re understand. I said
>”believe”, I didn’t say I “knew for a fact”. That’s not being paranoid,
>that’s being deductive. I haven’t recieved 50 plus messages from you
>Gord, however in the case of Marduk, I indeed have. And quite
>unpleasant things they were, too.
>
>To me the phone call seemed in keeping with Marduk’s offensive tactics.

You should hear some of his murderous jewish threats that I get.
But then, he is jewish. Just like Grynspam telling me he did wet work
for the murderous Mossad organization.

>:> nutsos would just love to get their hands on McVay?

>Evidently it’s ok for McVay to remain “invisible” by having his personal
>information stay private (discounting the disclosure by other parties of
>course) but not for me…. ok, now what were you saying about “double
>standards” fuckhead?

But now we know that it is not now nor was it ever a fear of McVay
about “nutsos” but rather an attempt to hide the fact that the entire
operation was and still is a front for a synagogue. That is what they
were hiding.

And all of this time … hell, do a web search on McVay and you
will find an interview with some emag name “eye” and you will find him
specifically claiming his is an independent operation.

http://www.interlog.com/eye/Misc/Alt.revisionism/rev.htm

for example. To quote…

Revisionists often assert McVay secretly gets operating funds from
Jews.

“I don’t,” McVay says. “The hard-drives are spread out on a table with
a Canadian Tire fan blowing right at them. I can’t afford to replace
things, if it breaks, it’s gone. However, I’m upfront — if I get
support money, I’ll take it, Jewish or not. The fact that a Jewish
organization would offer several grand to help wouldn’t change the
value of the historical data.” He’d like to put it all on CD-ROM.

Ending the quote here we find that while his is being “up front” in
desiring support money, he is a synagogue.

>> :>> BTW, you lost again Mattie.
>
>The only person here who’s losing is you Gord. Every time you step on
>your tongue you set yourself back another notch.
>
>Get used to it, failure is just in your genes Stick Boy.

What is interesting is that the Nizkor “allies” have not regrouped
and found an offensive to combat the sham nature of Nizkor. In time
they will. What I expect is that they are even now getting the phone
numbers changed and AFTER they are changed they will come back en
masse to deny it.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:53 PST 1996
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On 20 Nov 1996 10:45:40 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

> [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden) writes:
> Having followed the news reports of such things over the years, and
> having taken the time to look for the follow-up stories, one thing is
> very clear, something approaching 90% of them are committed by Jews.
> In fact it is a rarity to find a non-Jew as the perpetrator of such
> “hate” crimes.
>
> Thus, given current events, lets us consider that Krystallnacht was
> perpetrated by Jews, as that is most likely.

>I do not believe that “krystallnacht” was perpetrated by Jews, unless
>you consider the assassination of the German legate, Vom Rath, to have
>been the trigger. However, it is curious that Grynzpan survived the war.
>One would think that in the lore of the final solution he would have been
>among the first to go.

It turns out that the assassin lived around the corner from a
French equivalent of the ADL for for nine months without visible means
of support. Three hours after the shooting and before the man died a
lawyer from that organization arrived at the police station announcing
that he was there to defend the assassing. There being no “late
breaking news stories” in those days, it is unclear how they knew of
the assassination, why that organization showed up and a few other
questions one might be able to come up with.

And of course, one hell of a public relations disaster for the
nazis who had been the target of an anti-Nazi campaign by jews from
the moment they came to power, even to the point of labeling Hitler a
mass murderer in 1933. Other than not liking to hear it, Jews only
shout that Hitler was worse. It is difficult to see how he was guilty
when jew started the exchange.

And there are more than a few examples of Zionists sacrificing
their own people and property for immediate benefit.

In another context, here is an interesting story that
>appeared in the world press about 8 years ago. The story went something
>like this:
>
>A vast Jewish mob rampaged throughout the arab district of Jerusalem,
>screaming for revenge, beating up arabs, smashing store windows,
>overturning vehicles, and calling for blood. The riots continued throughout
>the day after a young Israeli rabbinical student was found stabbed to death.
>
>Echoes of krystallnacht, wouldn’t you say?

At last as bad or worse. Stabbed does not suggest who did it.

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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
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On 19 Nov 1996 16:43:22 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> the criminal Giwer makes an ass of himself again writes:
>> On 18 Nov 1996 23:28:09 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>
>> > The legal definition includes: “A fraudulent making and alteration of
>> >writing to prejudice of another man’s rights, or a false making, a making malo
>> >amino, of any intsrument for the for the purpose of fraud or deceit.” Black’s
>Law
>> >Dicitionary, 4th Edition
>
>> No rights were prejudiced. No evil intent existed or can be
>> demonstrated. No harmful result can be demonstrated. Therefore, YFE
>> has just guzzled his second bottle of Mogen David and is beginning to
>> rave.
>
> Another crazed legal theory. Privacy is a right. The Restatement of
>Torts (2d) specifically recognizes the forgeries of the criminal Giwer as the violation
>of such a right. Reputation is a right. The entire law of defamation is based on
>that right.

But as you know unless you do not remember due to your third bottle
of Mogen David, you initiated the email exchanges, all of them.

No report Giwer you besotted lying jew.

And your reputation is rather clear. A drunk who makes threats at
night and sobers up in the morning and refuses to report the crimes he
imagined while drunk out of his skull.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:20:55 PST 1996
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:12:26 -0700, [email protected] (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>> >Your nit-picking over Nyiszli’s ommision of such minutae, for example,
>> >makes one wonder as to your motivations. “nit-picking”? Missing the lenght
>> > of the gas chamber by 450 feet is minutae?
>
>Whining about the “iron ramp” is. Whining about the height of the ceiling
>in the L.Keller is. Whining about Nysizli not mentioning the vestibule
>between the L.Kellers is.

Between the two LKs, right? BETWEEN the two, as in LK I and LK II
right?

As in those two buildings that were behind KR II and KR III right?

The same KR II and KR III that fact each other, right? That face
each other with two rail lines and a main road between them?

That a hell of big AND DEEP and reinforced “vestibule” to connect
them, don’t you think? But of course, that is an accurate
description.

What you call “whining” is clearly a person describing something he
never saw and does not exist.

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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:58:00 -0500, [email protected] (Sara aka
Perrrfect) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:18:59 -0500, [email protected] (Sara aka
>> Perrrfect) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>, *@*.* wrote:
>> >
>> >> Jews need to understand that there were never any Hebrews in
>Egypt.
>> >
>> >And your proof for this assertion, Mr. Giwer, is… ?
>>
>> Well thank you for the opportunity to restate the obvious. There
>> is no sign of it in any aspect of Hebrew language or culture. It is
>> like all American Blacks going back to Africa and there instantly
>> being no signs of their having been in America for centuries.
>>
>> But you know that you sillly goose.
>
>There are many signs of the Hebrews being in Egypt, Mr. Giwer.
>
>Pyramids built by Jews come to mind.

Pyramids built by Jews? Little girl, a big part of your problem is
that you still live in a world where the stories you were told as a
child are still true. To wit, the pyramids are very wll dated. The
LAST ONE was build around 1000 (thousand) years before the purported
birth of Abraham (computed by the ages of the partriachs method.)

And since Exodus (and all of the rest of the books) are completely
silent upon the subject of pyramids, as in not one mention, just which
childhood fairy tale connected them with jews in the first place? In
fact current thinking among Egyptologists is that they were built by
farmers in the flooding season in return for the stored grain, not by
slaves at all.

And if you ever take the time to read Exodus you will find that the
mention of bondage and slavery starts after they are into their
wandering and is not mentioned before then. Further there is no
mention of anything that would consistutute slavery prior to that,
save by the mention of the slaves of the Hebrews.

And if you wish to hold that “they could not leave” as evidence of
slavery, egyptologists have found no evidence of any such custom or
permission or in fact any foreign peoples of any kind in any large
quantity as an identified group save for military conquerors.

>Inscriptions found on tombs.

Not a one save a reference to people in the east that they trade
with. Not one reference to any large number of them or to brick
makers being somehow different or anything of the kind.

>HISTORY.

Other than the trade reference, there is no mention of them and it
is uncertain the Hebrews are the people being referred to. In fact it
is a pious guess as there were many different peoples that could be
described as “to the east.”

>You know… FACTS.
>
>Something you’re not particularly familiar with, are you?

Little girl, I do not live in the same world as you. You are still
believing stories you were told as a child and have looked no further,
you have not even read Exodus as you would know the pyramid story is
bogus. That isn’t even in The Ten Commandments movie.

You will also be interested to learn that Exodus describes no known
Egyptian custom or feature save the grossest such as “first born.”
What we do know of the priests, they did not do snake tricks. And we
know they would not have been referred to as egyptian priests but
rather at the priests of a particular god, none of which of mentioned
by correct name and if I remember not by name at all.

There is further no record whatsoever of any series of “plauges” in
their history or in any inscription or sudden loss of firstborns.
Nothing, nada, zilch. Absolute silence. There is absolutely no
indication any place that it was Rameses II including that he lived
two centuries before the event. (You are thinking of Yul Brunner.)

Further the eastern garrison of Egypt at the time this was supposed
to have happend, to guard against surprise invasion from the east, was
EAST of the Red Sea that is supposed to have saved the Hebrews by
parting. In other words they were not out of the woods but never
mention the rather large garrison of Egyptians that would have cut
them down.

I will have to look it up but if I remember correctly Egyptians
were not using chariots for combat at this time either.

There is more, a lot more. How much more would you like? In fact
I can go through Exodus almost line by line and show you the problems
with an assumption that there is any truth to the story.

You are going to have to come up with some evidence that exists
next time. It would also be useful for you to read Exodus before you
reply again. It would also be useful for you to acquaint yourself
with some egyptology.

I still can’t believe you believe in Hebrews building the pyramids.
It is no wonder you still believe in gassing. You have a very serious
problem with verifying your beliefs.

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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
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Subject: Re: FINALLY!!! AN HONEST DEFINITION OF “REVISIONISM”!!!
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On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:49:37 GMT, [email protected] (Hilary Ostrov)
wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 05:56:46 GMT, in <[email protected]>,
>
>the troll from gte.net wrote:
>
>>Revisionism is a process, not a fact.
>>
>
>Thank you for this acknowledgement that “revisionism” has nothing to
>do with facts (and therefore has nothing to do with history of the
>Holocaust.) And for confirming that it is nothing more than a process
>by which deniers attempt to disguise the bigotry, hypocrisy and
>ignorance that underlie their hatred of Jews and/or Israel – to which
>you have so often given voice.

Revision is no more fact than holobuggery.

However your OPINION of revisionists is off topic here. I am
certain there are many conferences that will welcome such posts but
they are off topic here.

Given that you are donating your time to a sham front for a
synagogue after all the denials, did you knowingly or unknowingly
participate in the deception?

>=====================
>Hilary Ostrov
>E-mail: [email protected]
>WWW: http://users.uniserve.com/~hostrov/
>Co-Webmaster – The Nizkor Project https://nizkor.org/

The URL, the mail drop and the syngogue phone number.

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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again
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On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:17:15 GMT, [email protected] (Kurt Stele)
wrote:

>On 17 Nov 1996 22:23:43 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>>> Hardwire writes:
>>> Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>
>>> > a civil matter. What the criminal Giwer did was a crime. That is, a breach of
>>> > peace and an offense against the state as a whole. They would handle any
>>> > prosecution of the criminla Giwer. All I would do would be sit in the back of
>>the
>>> > courtroom and smirk as the criminal Giwer tried to weasel on the stand.
>>
>>> Then sue for God’s sake and be done with it. If he’s guilty he’ll be
>>> judged so, if not you’ll look like a fool. Either way it will end this
>>> nitpick discussion.
>>
>> Why. It pushes the criminal Giwer’s buttons very nicely. The criminal
>>Giwer could end it very easily. He could apologize for what was an outrageous
>>invasion of my privacy.
>
>I thought we were talking about criminal law and not tort? Get your
>stories straight, crybaby Jew dirtbag lawyer.
>
>>That was one of the conditions netcom put on him whne
>>his service was suspended. He preferred to act like the jerk he is.
>>
>> The criminal Giwer started this; he can end it ant time he chooses. So
>>far the score is about 4-zip with the criminal Giwer being on the short end of it.
>
>If the only law Giwer violated is “hate crime law” (struck down so far
>as constitutional and are as such unlawful regulations of speech) then
>he and anyone else should be proud to have violated such Jew-inspired
>laws from the likes of Jew traitors like Yale and his fellow ADL
>sleazeballs. It is an honor to violate a Jew/ADL Orwellian speech
>law. Fuck you Jew.

And as an addition to the fuck you jew there was NEVER and is not
NOW a FEDERAL hate crime law. As the besotted jewboy claims it was
interstate there is no law regarding the matter but in his drunken
stupor he claims there is such a federal law.

But then what else do you expect from a little pigshit jew? It
really is pathetic to see a drunken jew rant the “he wants to make a
ma a lampshade” routine.

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On 19 Nov 1996 01:52:02 -0500, [email protected] (Michael P.
Stein) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>>> How so? Reason cannot _alone_ determine all matters of fact. If I
>>>were to tell you that years ago, Ernst molested a small child, how would
>>>reason _alone_ – unaided by evidence – prove the truth of Ernst’s
>>>innocence?
>>
>> Which facts, other than religious ones such as the holocaust, can
>>reason not determine? Please be specific in your response.

> Please ask your seeing eye dog to read these posts to you. The quote
>was reason ALONE. Again, reason ALONE. To put it another way, reason and
>nothing else. Have you finally got it?

REASON ALONE is the ONLY tool we have beyond blind instinct. If
you have determined another one (and the “reason” of another person is
not under consideration as that just pushes back the question another
step) what OTHER means have you discovered (being the first to
discover it) and why have you not published it?

> I have a fifty dollar bill in my pocket right now.

Indeterminate, of course, as is your existance as a real handle.

> Truth or fiction? Reason ALONE – no peeking in my pocket for physical
>evidence!
>
> I’m waiting.

You will wait forever as with Schroedinger’s Cat, many, in fact
all, reality states are indeterminate. But of course you know that.

>>Are you one of those new-age mystic types?
>
> You must be if you think you can tell if there’s a fifty in my pocket
>from a thousand miles away by the use of reason ALONE.

There might be a knife in your pocket or you just may be excited
about the grisley deaths of the holobugger. It is still
indeterminate.

You obviously understand little about reason.

>>> Not quite true. Ernst has been the target of attacks, and it would be
>>>prudent to avoid making his location public knowledge. I believe David
>>>Irving’s recent series of lectures were held in locations not given out in
>>>advance. Do you and Ernst think David Irving was doing something sleazy
>>>at those lectures, that he had something to hide?
>>
>> If the locations were not given out in advance, who showed up? How
>>did anyone show up?
>
> I wrote imprecisely.

That is not a surprise.

They were not _publicized_ in advance. The
>advertising gave contact information rather than a location. If you
>wanted to attend, you had to contact the sponsors who then got back to you
>later with the location.
>
>
>> So where is the credibility of a mail box and synagogue front?
>
> Much better than the credibility of confessed liar Matt Giwer.

Excuse me. We have Nizkor as a front for a synagogue AFTER
vociferous denials of same. It is a friggin mail drop and source of
fraudulent solicitations for the synagogue under the rules of Revenue
Canada. Is that too hard for you to understand.?

It is a sham, a front, a fraudulent organization run by what its
supporters have denied for months now. It is a front for a synagogue.
Sorry to have to break it to you but you should have been paying
attention.

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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
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Subject: Re: Suchomel: r.i.p again
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On 20 Nov 1996 02:22:22 GMT, Jean-Francois Beaulieu
wrote:

>I’ve see Jamie McCarthy who stated again that Suchomel would have
>sue in law Lanzmann. I’m still asking how you from Nizkor can use
>such an ‘argument’ if you don’t even know when he died.

What do yo expect a synagogue to know?

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:00 PST 1996
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On 20 Nov 1996 05:49:03 GMT, [email protected] (Richard
Schultz) wrote:

>Capt. Peter Peachfuzz ([email protected]) wrote:
>
>: You should thank me for
>: preventing the disruption of the conference by off topic posters.
>
>Is it possible that Myskin is suffering from Korsakov’s syndrome?
>This is truly one of those instances when one doesn’t know whether to
>laugh or to cry. . .
>
>—–
>Richard Schultz [email protected]
>Department of Chemistry tel: 972-3-531-8065
>Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
>—–
>”French bread makes very good skis”

The lying McVay said …

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
eye WEEKLY November 10 1994
Toronto’s arts newspaper …..free every Thursday
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

.SIG HEIL
Holocaust revisionism goes up in flame
wars

by
K.K. CAMPBELL

It was 56 years ago today that Germans awoke to find the Nazis had
spent the night
terrorizing Jews and destroying property in something called “Crystal
Night.” It was a
test-run pogrom for the Holocaust to follow.

Once upon a time, net.news (the Internet’s public discussion forums)
was swamped with
flame wars about the Holocaust. They’d be found anywhere — in
newsgroups like
alt.conspiracy, soc.history, soc.culture.canada, misc.headlines,
alt.individualism etc.

One of the most persistent Nazi-apologists, Dan Gannon
([email protected]), wildly
spammed Holocaust-denying material, either not understanding or not
caring about
netiquette — that is, you post appropriate material to appropriate
groups. Thousands, from
dozens of newsgroups, complained. Gannon’s posts were bad enough, but
they always
brought rebuttal and endlessly repeated arguments.

Today, most of these debates are found in one newsgroup:
alt.revisionism — dedicated to
discussing “Holocaust revisionism,” the claim that the Nazi
extermination of Jews and other
distinct peoples is a “hoax” exacted upon millions of unwary non-Jews.

Anti-racist and anti-fascist online activists continue to track Gannon
and his pals around the
9,000-odd newsgroups. One such hunter is Canada’s Ken McVay
(km[email protected]). McVay, 53, came to Canada in 1967 from
the U.S. and is
now a Canadian citizen (holds dual citizenship). He’s Canada’s
foremost online
anti-revisionist warrior.

I’ve been reading his stuff for years.

TRUE COLORS

“When I first got started on this, everyone was sort of out there on
their own,” McVay told eye
in a phone interview from his Vancouver Island home. “Almost by
accident, working groups
started coordinating their efforts.” McVay works closely with Danny
Keren
([email protected]) and Jamie McCarthy ([email protected]), among
others.

The goal is not censorship. “I am absolutely, unequivocally opposed to
any kind of
censorship,” McVay says.

This is a real shift in McVay’s thinking. I vividly recall reading
McVay his posts from about
two years ago, where he’d vehemently defend Canadian anti-hate speech
laws.

“I don’t anymore. I think it’s the biggest possible mistake.” What
changed his mind?
“Dealing with these guys on a daily basis for over two years. Seeing
how easy it is to shoot
them down. And it is. The most intellectual among them are stupid and
completely inept
when it comes to historical research. And, of course, they are liars.
That being the case, why
on Earth would anyone want to shut them up or force them underground?
I want to know who
I’m dealing with. I want to know where they are. And I want to know
how their minds work.”

To see their true colors, McVay and compatriots badger and prod
revisionists until they drop
the scholarly pretense by, say, calling McVay a “Jew-lover” or
complaining Hitler
unfortunately missed the parents of some Jewish netter. It happens
regularly.

“These online discussions are not aimed at getting Gannon and his pals
to change their
minds,” McVay says. “That ain’t gonna happen. It’s to reach the rest –
– such as the new
users that pop up every September in universities and stumble on this
stuff. Many don’t know
how Nazis operate. Most racists don’t go around with a little patch on
their shoulder
proclaiming: `I hate Jews, or blacks, or natives.’ But it’s there. We
work to bring it out in the
open.”

A.R. AS TESTING GROUND

McVay and company are working on putting together a book, a primer on
Holocaust-denial
techniques. (He hasn’t approached a publisher yet.) You often see the
results of this ongoing
research in alt.revisionism . McVay chuckles about having rabid
anti-Semites ever at hand
to help write it.

“We throw out a chapter when we think it’s done, content-wise. If the
revisionists ignore it
completely, then we know it’s finished. If they respond, we say, `Ah!
We missed that trick,
calling a maple tree a Porsche.’ So we add that argument in.” A month
later, they upload the
chapter again.

McVay says the “classic” revisionist tactic is misrepresentation of
text. Outright lies.

“They’ll cite a historical text: `K.K. Campbell says on page 82 of his
famous book that
nobody died at Auschwitz.’ Then you go to the Library of Congress and
look up K.K.
Campbell, page 82, and what you find he really said was, `It was a
nice day at Dachau.’
They get away with this because they know goddamn well most people
don’t have time to
rush off to the Library of Congress. But people read that and say to
themselves, `Who would
lie about such a thing when it’s so easy to prove them wrong? They
must be telling the truth.’
”

The years of refutation have resulted in anti-revisionists
transcribing mass amounts of death
camp evidence and testimony into computer text files. McVay saved
them. Soon netters
requested the material. It began to take up so much time, he automated
the process. You
send an email request, the computer sends you back the file(s).

The archive is now maybe 60 megs and may swell to over a gig in 1995.
Write email to
[email protected] with the message GET HOLOCAUST/INDEX — you’ll
be sent a
huge index of Holocaust files (other files, too, on fascist
racist-right groups). If you like the
convenience of gopher, check out jerusalem1.datasrv.co.il .

Revisionists often assert McVay secretly gets operating funds from
Jews.

“I don’t,” McVay says. “The hard-drives are spread out on a table with
a Canadian Tire fan
blowing right at them. I can’t afford to replace things, if it breaks,
it’s gone. However, I’m
upfront — if I get support money, I’ll take it, Jewish or not. The
fact that a Jewish organization
would offer several grand to help wouldn’t change the value of the
historical data.” He’d like
to put it all on CD-ROM.

“The Internet has to be a revisionist’s worst communications
nightmare,” McVay says. “They
can’t ignore it, because, as you and I know, in 10-15 years everyone
in North America is
going to read stuff through the Internet.

“And that’s the beauty of the Internet: once it’s refuted in an honest
and academic fashion,
you can’t run away from it,” McVay says.

When the latest revisionist recruit charges in with the same old
pamphlets, it’s almost
effortless for anyone to request a file and reply: “We covered this
two years ago. Here is the
massive refutation of that so-called scholarly report.”

It’s there. For everyone. Forever.

-30-

NOTE: CLICK HERE to see part two of eye’s look at newsgroup
alt.revisionism …

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:01 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Tries Another Lie
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:49:04 GMT
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On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:29:58 GMT, [email protected] (Kurt Stele)
wrote:

>On 17 Nov 1996 15:57:00 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>>> The criminal Giwer writing with an apt physical description: [email protected] writes:
>>
>> YFE stated:
>>
>>> > Why should I retract the truth, nazi boy. I repeat: they swore to it under
>>> >oath. The prosecutors accepted it as true. The court accepted it as true.
>>That
>>> >is one side. On the other side, we have a a phony denial from you writing under
>>a
>>> >psuedonym.
>>
>>> Gee, they give testimony at arraignment hearing in Montana these
>>> days? But it was on CNN so it has to be true.
>>
>> Actually they were arrested (and interrogated with videotape) in
>>Michigan. The sworn statements occurred, as I have stated several times, in
>>pre-trial motions filed in the Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh County. Testimony
>>was heard on these motions, argument presented, and a decision made. The
>>decision accepted as fact the claim of the brothers Freeman that they were
>>members of the NA.
>>
>> Sorry, criminal one. You have been caught in another lie.
>
>Not a lie, a reference to the other far more publicized “Freemen” case
>in Montana — an obvious and easy switch-up as you know quite well,
>Jew liar Yale — rather than the Freeman brothers case in
>Pennsylvania.

You will have to forgive him, the Mogen David does that to him.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:02 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
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Subject: Re: Bye, Bye, “Master Plan”?
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On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:05:39 GMT, [email protected] (Kurt Stele)
wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 23:40:51 -0700, [email protected] (Mark Van
>Alstine) wrote:
>
>>In article <3293[email protected]>, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>> This is what Nizkor is all about. To perpetuate tales of ghoul
>>> that other Holocaust authorities don’t care to include in their sales
>>> presentations – anymore. Soap and mattresses from hair. One of the
>>> most known ‘facts’ of the immediate post war rumor mill. The utmost
>>> played on rumor next to the “gas chamber” aspect. Whatever Nizkor is
>>> presenting you won’t be seeing others give. This is the job of the
>>> well financed “$1,500,000” Nizkor, there to carry on the extinct,
>>> deleted rumors, so the others can have the cake and deny it too.
>>
>>Argumentum ad hominem.
>>
>>I guess having Nizkor around to expose the Moran’s ™ lies really bugs
>>him….
>
>Sewage engineer and Nizkook commandant Van Smellstein cherishes even

Are you sure? I thought that was Unterobergrabbenfuerher Van
Smellstein. I could be mistaken.

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On 20 Nov 1996 12:06:08 GMT, [email protected] (Hauke
Reddmann) wrote:

>I should know better, with a .de site, to join this thread, but…
>
>I see a bit of unlogic. Why should Sam Cohen give a flying
>Maseltov cocktail if Iraq is nuked with a neutron bomb, or
>with an ordinary one? (It seems unlikely that Israel invades
>the remains of Iraq afterwards to get the oil.)

It appears the entire discussion is sort of a “nod, nod, wink,
wink” based upon Israel’s threat to nuke Iraq unless the US dealt with
Iraq to theis satisfaction.

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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
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Subject: Re: ‘I must state that most of them were gassed’
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On 20 Nov 1996 00:26:06 -0500, [email protected] (Charles R.L.
Power) wrote:

>[email protected] writes:
>
>>Well, what were these reports? Has anyone tracked them down? In
>>what year were they given and what exactly was said?
>
>Do you expect to be presented with broadcast transcripts on a
>platter? If this interests you so much, try doing your own research.
>You might or might not come up with something. The point is rather
>marginal.

In other words you NEVER researched it yourself and are accepting
without qustion the words of others.

You belong with the lying synagogue that runs Nizkor.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:05 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ‘Ordinary Jews: Zionism’s Willing Torturers’
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On 19 Nov 1996 09:54:23 -0800, [email protected] (Richard J.
Green) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>tom moran wrote:
>
>>>By the way, what does this have to do with the historicity of the
>>>holocaust?
>>
>> Israel is the child of the Holocaust story. The Jews are
>>constantly telling us how decent they are and how terrible the Germans
>>were. Where is the righteous ADL. Where is one of their full page ads
>>condemning the torture?
>
>The relevence of the fact of the Holocaust to the foundation of Israel
>is not what I asked. I asked what Israel policy has to do with the
>historical fact of the holocaust. Let me simplify this issue for Mr.
>Moran: how do the policies of Israel (good or bad) prove or disprove the
>historical fact of the holocaust, or is the newsgroup titled
>alt.bash-jews-and-anything-connected-to-jews.

How can it be that there was never any physical evidence presented
to support any holocaust claims and that there is none now and yet
only folks like you a lying synagogue promote such things?
=====
http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web
Pages of Zionism
http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions
http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust
http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report
http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven’s Website
http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith)
http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents
http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L’Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et
d’Holocauste (also in English)
http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz
http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute

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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
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Many months ago, people whom I now consider interested in doing
what I am doing emailed me counsel to tone it down and play nice. I
responded that the only good defense is offense and continued to
attack the holobuggers on this conference. (You can see that is
disagree with my “handlers.”)

As I will point out to them as well as to the holobuggers, I have
continued my agressive stance and at the moment we have only three
buggers still posting and the terminally bewildered Keren still
spamming.

Maildrop McVay, the synagogue front has ceased posting at least in
the interim although I expect him back. His real phone number has
been made available to interested parties (found on the internet so
public information which he provided) to pursue what he is instead of
the synagogue representative who demands that all calls to “Ken” be
made to him.

The Nizkor sham is now dead meat. Revenue Canada can be contacted
by anyone interested regard the false solicitations for the synagogue
that Maildrop McVay and he co-conspirators have been soliciting since
at least March of this year.

But to the point of this message, that agressive revisionism works.
It not only works but there is no stopping it. I introduced agressive
revisionism despite the “warnings” and in the time I have done so it
has multiplied ten fold.

I have promoted a form of revisionism that is winning that is
getting the truth out, that is ending the mindless holohugging. Now
listen up real close now. Agression wins. Revisionism is now
aggressive. Revisionism will continue to be agressive. Revisionism
is open and moving on so many fronts it can not be stopped by a few
silly holobuggers.

There are not enough of you holobuggers to matter a tinkers dam.
You buggers are in retreat and you have no rear guard.

Revision has won. Now we need only formulate our strategy to
pursue the advantage of the holobugger retreat. It is a rule of
combat to kill as many of those in retreat as possible before they can
regroup.

Now we run the buggers to the ground.

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Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism — Gate.Net Refuses to Help
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:06:09 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
OBE) wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 03:10:56 GMT, [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie
>Garden) wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:36:57 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
>>OBE) wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:49:18 GMT, [email protected] (Sidney the Yid)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 18 Nov 1996 20:36:16 GMT, [email protected] (ibokor) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>* * (*@*.*) wrote:
>
>>>
>>>”Squat” more closely describes the picture of a certain unemployed and
>>>unemployable gentleman in Tampa.
>>
>> Retired gentleman. Do you have a problem with that?
>
>Schizophrenia must be running rampant in Tampa. The gentleman
>initially posts as “* * (*@*.*)” , then as “[email protected] (Sidney
>the Yid)” , and now as “[email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)”
>
>
>While not really confusing to anyone, this juvenile habit clearly
>demonstrates how difficult it is to maintain a proper conversational
>thread.
>
>This same person will write a perfectly sensible and civilised note
>(such as this one); then turn around and use abusive and vulgar
>language that is not so much offensive as it is sophomoric. Youngsters
>and prison inmates employ such language, but it is quite unseemly
>for a man, indeed a “retired” man, to engage in such practices.
>
>One must always give the benefit of the doubt (unless substantial
>proof deems otherwise) to a person making a statement about himself.
>If he claims that he is retired, so be it. I was wrong (lacking
>further proof) in calling him “unemployed and unemployable” for which
>I tender my apology.
>
>
>> May I ask why such an educated person as yourself continues to
>>front this sham organization?
>
>The gentleman is quite unjust in referring to Nizkor as a “sham
>organization.” Over one-hundred volunteers of all faiths and many
>nationalities expend considerable efforts in order to produce a
>serious source of historical material. We find that many people, some
>five-thousand a day, visit our site in the search for documentation.
>We are pleased and quite gratified that many of the users of this
>information are the very deniers we are trying to convince on the
>newsgroups. Whatever modest attributes I might have are happily
>volunteered by participating in this noble task.
>
>
>
>
>Harry W. Mazal OBE
>
>Nizkor (USA) An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
>Over 1000 Megs of data: https://nizkor.org
>Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
>Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction – permanently!)

You continue to promote a lying jewish organization. But you know
that.

Such jewish lies are not welcome here.

From g[email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:08 PST 1996
Article: 81083 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (BB)
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Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism — Gate.Net Refuses to Help
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:57:14 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
OBE) wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:13:38 GMT, [email protected] (BB)
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:50:48 -0500, [email protected] (Sara aka
>>Perrrfect) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> You continue to promote a lying jewish organization. But you know
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> Such jewish lies are not welcome here.
>>>
>>>
>>>Mr. Giwer quotes an entire thread to Harry Mazelto post these two
>>>sentences, and of course, his huge .sig.
>>>
>>>Let’s take a vote… Which of the two gentlemen involved in this discussion
>>>is *really* not welcome here?
>>
>> Nizkor is still a front for a synagogue and that after all the
>>protestations of independence and poverty.
>
>Tch, tch. The medussa-headed gentleman shows yet another sign of
>severe mental distress. He now uses a variety of different names on
>the very same day. His most recent, “[email protected]
>(BB)” albeit cute, warrants an immediate trip to the nearest
>psychiatric clinic. Schizophrenia _can_ be cured! A pity, however,
>that Dr. Freud has departed this earth. He might have been able to
>link this malady with some of the more cloacal language that the
>gentleman is fond of posting.

The loss of Freud the Fraud is a loss in only one sense and not an
important loss.

>Nizkor receives (very) modest donations from a number of sources.
>Some are Jewish, most are not. If Mr. Giwer wishes to make a donation
>to a non-synagogue based chapter of Nizkor, he may do so through the
>San Antonio Area Foundation. The address can be found on the Nizkor
>Web Page. Thank you!

Excuse me but the synagogue answers Nizkor’s telephone number. A
couple named Goldberg at the moment. The phone number is registered
to the synagogue.

I imagine there are rather desperate change orders to the local
phone company in process at this very moment.

In the mean time, Nizkor is just an easily identifiable front
organization for the synagogue. But you know that.

From g[email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:08 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (BB)
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Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism — Gate.Net Refuses to Help
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:57:17 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
OBE) wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 04:17:50 GMT, [email protected] (Kurt Stele)
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:50:48 -0500, [email protected] (Sara aka
>>Perrrfect) wrote:
>
>[text deleted]
>
>>YOU’RE not welcome here in alt.revisionism you presumptious Nizkook
>>freak. Why don’t you take your phony cheeseball Holocaust ™ crap
>>and go to hell?
>
>With people like Mr. Stele (aka Brian Smith) on alt.revisionism, there
>is little need to go to hell. We are here already.
>
>What we now need is a redeeming action to lift us out of this
>Dantesque environment. A good start would be if Mr. “Stele” left us
>for greener pastures.
>
>But then, who could we ridicule?

But ridicule, despite Ken McVay’s assertion to the contrary, is not
the purpose of this conference and as such it is off topic and you
purpose here is only to disrupt the conference. Please stop or leave.

From g[email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:09 PST 1996
Article: 81086 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (BB)
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On 21 Nov 1996 05:00:58 GMT, [email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <3292[email protected]> – [email protected] (Treblinka
>Veggie Garden) writes:
>:>
>:>On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:36:57 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
>:>OBE) wrote:
>:>
>:>>>
>:>>> How about squat?
>:>>
>:>>”Squat” more closely describes the picture of a certain unemployed and
>:>>unemployable gentleman in Tampa.
>:>
>:> Retired gentleman. Do you have a problem with that?
>
>Why yes, I do. I would challenge Mr. Giwer to counter the claim that he was
>forcibly retired, i.e. shown the door, as well as the fact that he is not a
>gentleman. One must at least be a man to earn that appellation.

Was there not something about he who makes the claim?

I would also challenge yo uto prove you are not posting from an
asylum as a form of physical therapy if you do not accept that.

But rather you would post malicious slander in the traditional
jewish tradition, right out of the protocals of the elders of zion.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:10 PST 1996
Article: 81107 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:46:50 GMT
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On 21 Nov 1996 05:01:33 GMT, [email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <32924[email protected]> – [email protected] (Treblinka
>Veggie Garden)Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:19:55 GMT writes:
>:>
>:>
>:> Hey, lying scum jew, report me. Sober up and report me.
>
>I would like to thank Matt for stealing my “besotted” and “drunken” lines
>after all this time. He was slower to obey than usual, but he always comes
>around. He’s a good little puppet.
>
>And yes, he lost *again*

McFly, I am not owned by a synagogue like Nizkor, shills and a sham
as always.

From g[email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:11 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (BB)
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Subject: Re: ‘I only gassed them’
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:09:38 GMT
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 07:05:50 GMT, [email protected] (John
Morris) wrote:

>In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>> Erich Gnewuch testifies about gassings in Nazi-occupied USSR, 1942-3
>>> [Quoted in “Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the
>>> Use of Poison Gas”, edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and
>>> A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, p. 57-9]
>>> ———————————————————————-
>
>[snip]
>
>>When and where did this man give this testimony and before whom?
>
>
>You have the reference. Look it up.

The gentleman either has the original material or he does not. He
can post it if he has it. If not, he can shut up.

But you also obviously have the material as you have posted as
though you KNOW it contains the answers to ALL the questions, not just
the one you chose not to delete.

So YOU post the answers as you have the document and you know it
has ALL the answers.

Until then, participate intelligently or leave.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:12 PST 1996
Article: 81110 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Nizkor’s handler)
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 22:55:29 -0500, Wolf359 wrote:

>
>
>On 17 Nov 1996, Andrew Carol wrote:
>
>>
>> Non Aryan Races: (n) Those who are not of the ‘white race’. An immpure
>> group of failures whose physical defects, and mental weaknesses should be
>> looked upon with pity. Whose removal from the gene pool is the ‘white
>> races’ responsibility to God.
>>
>> Non Aryan Examples: Jesse Owens, Albert Einstein, Jonas Salk, Mother
>> Teresa, Albert Schweitzer, etc.
>>
>> These ‘animals’ showed by their lack of mental facilties and genetic
>> weaknesses, that they are, in every way, not fit to breed.
>>
>> The only reason the White Race has not triumphed over the weaker,
>> impure races is that the Jews somehow over the millienium have
>> managed to have so many doctors, artists, writers, and scientists.
>> As soon as we destroy them, then we will be able to prove that
>> the Aryan is superior.
>
>Well if the Jews managed to get more doctors, Lawyers, and scientists,
>
>I would say, they are more genecticly advance than “whites”
>
>maybe when ya guys stop thinking in sex, beer, and shaving the hair off ya
>heads, and stop whacking ya self with all the white porno smut, which is
>twice as much as any other race, ya get more doctors, lawyers, and
>scientist.
>in da mean time, down on ya knees and kiss my superior circuncision.
>
>Shalom on me und I pee on thee…

Rather it is like post WW I Germany where they bribed their way
into positions of power and influence. So to today, they are
unofficially given preference in the schools and in the media and in
Hollywood. As there are a mere seven IQ points difference in the mean
and the mean IQ of these professions is not all that high, there is
little else to account for the over representation.

Only one other thing, the Jewish mother whining, “If you don’t
become a doctor and make me pround will kill myself.” OTher than
that, nothing.

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Subject: Re: Hitler Talks About the Jews, I
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:01:51 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
OBE) wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:15:40 GMT, [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie
>Garden) wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:37:31 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
>>OBE) wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:11:00 GMT, [email protected] (Swiss bank
>>>billions) wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:25:41 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>
>>>> spam, spam, spam, spam,
>>>> Lovely spam, glorious spam.
>>>>
>>>>=====
>>>
>>>SPAM? So what is this? (URL’s mangled to conserve bandwidth)
>
>>
>> You are really very silly with the comment of conserving bandwidth.
>
>Note, however, that the gentleman does not address the question of
>spamming. His excessive signature is a bit of a bore. However, he
>justifies all of this by what he calls “aggressive revisionism.” It
>is really nothing more than rude and uncultured behaviour.

You did not mention the size of the sig, so why should I bring it
up? However, if you wish to discuss sig size, please remember, you
have an N key when ever you run into it. Works every damn time.

>> You wasted must more time paring the
>>list than it would have taken to transmit it to every ISP in the
>>world.
>
>Not quite. The postings are produced off-line.

So? If you do not like the size of the conference, unsubscribe.

>> You really are new to this aren’t you?
>
>Not really, but the lesson is appreciated. It is the first cogent
>posting by the gentleman in many weeks and it is refreshingly free of
>the usual vulgarities. It regretably still includes a long, boring
>signature.

Your N key is right in the middle of your BM. Stick your finger
there.

>> You are really wasting your time. But do not let me discourage
>>you.
>
>The kind wishes are noted. As they say here in Texas, however: “What’s
>time to a hog?”

Not a damn thing. Do you still help them over the fence?

The URL, the mail drop and the synagogue phone number.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:14 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Swiss bank billions)
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Subject: Re: The Bug in the System Known As Revisionism
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 07:24:36 GMT
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On 18 Nov 1996 11:30:24 +0100, [email protected] (Anonymous) wrote:

>The Bug in the System Known As Revisionism
>
>The revisionists didn’t say that Hitler did anything wrong.

The holocaust is a pimple on the ass of WW II. As to causing WW
II, the Treaty of Versailles did that. Regarding the war itself,
Hilter just happened to be the fall guy in charge. Were it not him it
would have been someone else. Were it not the Nazis it would have
been another party. The second world war was inevitable after the
first.

If you think otherwise, you need to study the subject for the first
time in your life.

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Subject: Re: Cremation Rates
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:47:20 GMT
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On 21 Nov 1996 18:26:47 GMT, [email protected] (ibokor) wrote:

>[email protected] (tom moran) writes:
>
># Even though modern day cremation facilities take two
># and half hours to cremate one body,

>The emotions evoked by the horror of mass cremations
>seem to obstruct your rational comprehension and you
>seem to think that the cremation facilities in a funeral
>parlour or cemetary are comparable to the crematoria
>of, say Auschwitz.
>
>An analogy may help to dispel such misconceptions.

Analogies are not facts. And as you have made this up without any
facts to support it, why did you bother posting it?

>If it takes your mother half and hour to make
>chicken soup for your family, how long does it
>take the cook in an army mess to make enough
>for a battalion?

As commercial crematory ovens were used in at least I, II, and III
it is unclear why there would be a time difference. Or in fact why
there would be any difference. When bodies died of these diseases
they had to go.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:15 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: ‘These mentally diseased people were taken into the gas chambers’
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:32:59 -0700, [email protected] (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Kurt
>Stele) wrote:
>
>> On 20 Nov 1996 16:32:15 -0500, [email protected] (Michael P.
>> Stein) wrote:
>>
>> > Mr. Blackmore and I were discussing evidence for the historicity of
>> >the euthanasia program. Do you agree that the hand-signed Hitler order is
>> >valid physical evidence for the existence of a euthanasia program under
>> >the Nazi regime, or is there some revision of the accepted history which
>> >should be discussed? If so, let us discuss it. If not, please do not try
>> >to sidetrack the discussion onto matters outside the topic of this
>> >newsgroup.
>> >
>> > Your cooperation is appreciated.
>>
>> You must have missed the point. What is in issue (not even) is only
>> whether the “Euthanasia program” Hitler adopted is any different at
>> all from any other humane Euthanasia program for the terminally ill.
>
>Yet another Nazi red herring from Mr. Smith.
>
>Considering that Hitler’s “Euthanasia” program killed the mentally
>disabled without their (or their relatives’) consent, clearly evidences
>the difference of between humane euthanasia of the terminally ill where
>the terminally ill _choose_ death forthemselves.

When the person is a ward of the state, as was the case in these
cases, relatives have no say in the legal treatment.

>Hitler’s “Euthanasia” program was state sponsored murder.

You folks are rather too foolish to deal with the law. Murder is
defined in law. Euthansia in accordance with law is not murder.
Abortion in accordance with law is not murder.

>And this, of course, does not even address the issue of that the T4
>program was expanded to include the concentration camp system to
>exterminate the phsyically ill and feeble inmates who, due to Nazi
>brutality and privation, could no longer work. And the murder of the of
>the Jews, of course.

Wards of the state, remember?

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:16 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
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Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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On 18 Nov 1996 10:08:22 -0500, [email protected] (Michael P.
Stein) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Matt Giwer ([email protected])
>wrote:
>>What holohuggers are like
>>
>>The follow are examples of
>>holohugger support of their private holocaust.
>
>[snip]
>
> And all taken out of context. “[Q]uote out of context for the purpose
>of creating a false impression is a libel and tortable.”
>
> But Matt knows that. After all, he said it.
>
> What Matt Giwer is like can be seen at:
>
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html

Nizkor, a URL, a Mail Drop, and a synagogue phone number.

That says all that need to be said about Nizkor.

A rather tawdry operation at best.
=====
http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions
http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust
http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report
http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven’s Website
http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith)
http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents
http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L’Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et
d’Holocauste (also in English)
http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz
http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:17 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Suchomel and Shoah
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:52:01 GMT
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On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:39:57 GMT, [email protected] (John
Morris) wrote:

>In <[email protected]>, Matt Giwer posting as
>[email protected] (Swiss bank billions) wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> JFB has posted detailed descriptions of camera movements that
>>indicate it can not be a concealed camera. Rather than address that
>>issue, this poster insists upon posting regarding the JFB suggestion
>>to explain the camera movements that it was an actor.
>
>Sorry, but you are completely mistaken. JFB asserted that Suchomel was
>played by an actor. He offered the analysis of the camera movements as
>proof of his contention.

The order in which he stated it is not relevant.

>> Whether or not it was an actor, IF the camera movements are as JFB
>>describes, THEN the interview was not as represented. That is clear.
>
>So what if the interview was not as repeseented (whatever that means).
>JFB’s argument is that an actor was used. Others have shown that none
>of the camera movements were impossible. JFB has therefore not proved
>his argument.

Others have shown NOTHING. Others have only said that they have
seen interviews with concealed cameras. They have said nothing about
camera movements.

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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
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On 18 Nov 1996 00:25:29 GMT, [email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <328e5[email protected]> – [email protected] (prince)Sun, 17
>Nov 1996 00:29:40 GMT writes:
>:>
>:>On 15 Nov 1996 13:48:34 GMT, [email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:
>:>
>:>>In message <[email protected]> – Hardwire
>:>>Thu, 14 Nov 1996 04:48:54 -0500 writes:
>:>>:>
>:>>
>:>>:>> I won’t tell anyone….are you really giwer? Shhh-whisper.
>:>>:>
>:>>:>Attention all: The Chuckle Fairy has gone OVER the deep end. He’s gone
>:>>:>and he’s NOT coming back. He’s lost it.
>:>>:>
>:>>:>(This public service announcement brought to you by the letter K and the
>:>>:>number 9.)
>:>>
>:>>He’s really got your goat, hasn’t he Mattie?
>:>>
>:>>BTW, you lost again.
>:>
>:> You are very silly, McFly.
>
>Interesting that Hardwire jumps up and down, screaming that he is not Giwer,
>yet Giwer jumps into posts addressed to Hardwire. Seems they just can’t keep
>those personas straight.
>
>BTW, you lost again, Mattie.

You will never learn, McFly.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:19 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
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Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 04:05:16 -0500, Hardwire
wrote:

>Alec Grynspan wrote:
>>
>> <*[*] [*] [prince] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
>> <+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [16 Nov 96 >> 05:52][*][0]*>
>>
>> p> He really is a juvenile little shit, isn’t he?
>>
>> Talking to yourself again? You really should take your meds more
>> often.
>>
>
>Hey Matt, don’t take it the wrong way. GrynSPAM is simply offering you
>some of what he’s been taking. Just decline and pat him on his head and
>send him back to his room to play with his blocks. GrynSPAM LIKES
>patterns….they’re groovy…

Have patience with him. He is a canadian. Silver beavers need all
the help they can get.

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On 21 Nov 1996 14:00:32 GMT, [email protected] (Michael
Gosselin) wrote:

>What I can’t seem to understand is why people think the holocost didn’t
>happen. I mean, history is replete with examples of tribe killing other
>tribes. Think of the crusades. Think of the cold war. Think of what
>goes on in Africa, or Tibet, or South America. There is in the human
>condition a hard-wired response of trying to kill those who are not “like
>us”. Part of the human condition is overcoming that desire to kill those
>who are not like us.

And also history is replete with examples of major acts of “horror”
that did not occur, such as Attila the Hun riding his horse to the top
of a mountain of skulls gathered in only one conquest.

In any event, I really doubt you know what you are being asked to
believe about this holocaust thing. For openers, consider that you
are required to believe that nearly twice the population of the city
of New York vanished without a trace. Not bodies, not ashes, nothing
save a few indeterminate examples at scattered locations that might
barely indicate 1% of the supposed total.

>I still don’t understand this idea. Are you jealous that there are jews
>out there? That they have adapted to America so well? Do you really
>believe in a superior race? What has made “whites” superior is the
>ability to take advantage of the industry around them. Now how that
>happened is of great historical interest.

What does the complete and total lack of physical evidence for this
holocaust have to do with any of that? Or have you bought into the
holobugger lie that the the lack of physical evidence has to be
ignored else the above is true?

>I think what bothers the revisionists most is that they don’t want to
>accept responsibility for a sad chapter in human history.

Responsibility? For what? Even if it did happen in all the
contradictory ways it is portrayed, which “revisionists” do you think
were responsible? Are you into collective guilt? Then jews have a
part of it. Are you into collective “white” guilt? Then you are a
racist. Are you into collective “christian” guilt? Then you hate
christians.

Produce another option for your “responsibility” assertion. You
are out in left field on this one.

Either that, or
>they are annoyed that jews have made progress in America, and are
>prominent. Well, too bad. That’s the problem with capitalism; it’s
>individualistic, and many of us in America come from cultures that do not
>reward individualism, but collectivism. Judaic culture rewards
>individualism.

What does that have to do with the disappearance of 12 million
bodies?

>So, stop your whining. Either the holocaust happened (which I believe)

Upon what grounds?

or
>it didn’t. Either way, in America, you can’t collectively fault the jews,
>or the catholics, or the protestants. What gives the jews a great
>advantage is that, even though they reward individualism, they are willing
>to help out a member of their “tribe”. That’s more than can be said for
>most other religions in America.

You appear completely unable to compartmentalize the lack of
evidence of the holocaust from everything else that is the focus of
your attentions. Have you ever tried otherwise?

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From: [email protected] (Treblinka Veggie Garden)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Suchomel and Shoah
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 04:39:30 GMT
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:37:15 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
OBE) wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 07:35:08 GMT, [email protected] (Swiss bank
>billions) wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:18:06 -0700, [email protected] (Mark Van
>>Alstine) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>, Jean-Francois Beaulieu wrote:
>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>
>>>Isn’t it about time that this sad farce of Mr. Beaulieu’s be put to rest?
>
>> For those curious about the rules, this is an example of violating
>>them.
>>
>> JFB has posted detailed descriptions of camera movements that
>>indicate it can not be a concealed camera. Rather than address that
>>issue, this poster insists upon posting regarding the JFB suggestion
>>to explain the camera movements that it was an actor.
>>
>> Whether or not it was an actor, IF the camera movements are as JFB
>>describes, THEN the interview was not as represented. That is clear.
>
>Sigh! Yet another alias.

Lovely, isn’t it.

If this person of impoverished mind would
>take a few minutes to read the entire contents of this thread, he will
>come to the same conclusion that Mr. Van Alstine did:
>
> >>Isn’t it about time that this sad farce of Mr. Beaulieu’s be
> put to rest?
>
>Mr. Beaulieu pproposed a theory. He was proven quite wrong. Time to
>move on, as Mr. Morris so aptly put it.

I saw no such proof offered. I believe I read it all. What was it
that convinced you? The personal attack on JFB?

The URL, the mail drop and the synagogue phone number.

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From: [email protected] (BB)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: “Umfallen” and deliberate mistranslation
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 12:47:46 GMT
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:37:32 -0500, [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy)
wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> As I said before, the mistranslation, had it
>> stood alone, is indeed minor. As it relates to other arguable
>> translations in the document though, it leaps forth as a strong indication
>> of bias on the part of the translator at Nuremberg. Shocking concept, eh?
>
>Shocking indeed.
>
>Let me be sure I understand what you’re saying —
>
>When you put this error (which may be intentional or otherwise) together
>with other errors, then a pattern begins to emerge. What you are saying
>is that the _pattern_ of errors and untruths (in this case,
>mistranslations) indicates that the Nuremberg translator was biased.
>
>Furthermore, you are saying that it is important to notice this pattern,
>and to call attention to it specifically, as well as looking at the
>individual untruths themselves. To ignore the bias on the part of the
>translator would be an omission.
>
>I understand the concept quite well, but I’m a little surprised that
>you’re bringing it up. You’re the one who had written, not 24 hours
>prior, that:
>
>> The respect, as I have said before, must be mutual and it must be
>> real. This is accomplished by focusing on issues, not individuals
>> […]
>
>Your problem appears to be that you are all for pointing out “strong
>indication of bias” in people you don’t agree with, but you object in
>the strongest terms possible when it is pointed out in yourself and your
>colleagues.
>
>Shocking is one of the words that comes to mind.
>
>Posted; not emailed by request; please reply publicly.
>–
> Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
> [email protected] Co-Webmaster of https://nizkor.org/

The URL, the mail drop and the synagogue phone number.

The pattern of deception by the synagogue and their goy fronts is
obvious.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:22 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Nizkor’s handler)
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Subject: Re: Anti-semitic acts
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:07:06 GMT
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On 20 Nov 1996 08:34:54 GMT, [email protected] (Richard
Schultz) wrote:

>Capt. Peter Peachfuzz ([email protected]) wrote:
>
>: Thus, given current events, lets us consider that Krystallnacht was
>: perpetrated by Jews, as that is most likely.
>
>[Backing away slowly]
>
>Whatever you say, Matt. Whatever you say. Everything’s going to be just
>fine. No one’s going to hurt you.
>
>Now why is there never a strait jacket around when you really need one?

Jews commit most of the anti-semitic crimes in the US. What not in
Germany? Why not everywhere in the world?

What made them different in Germany than in the US?

Is there some national difference? If so, what is that difference?

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On 20 Nov 1996 18:18:59 -0000, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:

>—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—–
>
>[email protected] a.k.a. Matt Giwer writes:
>> Nizkor
>> The URL, the mail drop and the synagogue phone number.
>> What has all the pretense of independence of Nizkor been about?
>
> Oh, are you a little upset?
>
> Is the information in those documents getting to you?

I am not upset in the least. It is what I and many others
suspected all along. And I and many others expected the constant
denials to lies also, and they were.

Now the objective is make certain that everyone knows that the
denials were lies as it goes directly to the integrity of nizkor and
its participants.

Before this there were only allegations and suspicions, now we have
facts.

It is now clear that we are not talking about three high-minded,
noble people doing some great work or whatever the pretension was
supposed to be.

We are talking about a jewish front organization that sought to
hide the jewish connection. Yes, they were useful goys and in fact
they do have handlers at the synagogue but they are no longer useful.
Nizkor is no longer useful.

The Nizkorites have been challenging the honesty and integrity of
others, accusing others of having handlers, of being part of a
movement. Nizkorites have pretended independence of any other
organization.

And now everything they have accused others of being and doing we
find they themselves are.

In fact, in addressing a nizkorite we are addressing the synagogue,
which is presumably a jewish organization.

What needs be answered now is why the synagogue felt it necessary
to promote this deception. Do you have any suggestions?

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From: [email protected] (Nizkor’s handler)
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:13:48 GMT, [email protected] (Kurt Stele)
wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:23:27 -0500, [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy)
>wrote:
>
>>Hitler’s film cameraman took a lot of color photographs, and he
>>described how he went and actually saw a mass shooting of Jews on the
>>eastern front. It happened because, the evening before, Heinrich
>>Himmler said, “Mr. Franz, how would you like to go and witness a mass
>>shooting tomorrow morning? We’re going to be shooting a few thousand
>>Jews.”
>>
>>And this photographer said, “Yes, sure I’d love to go along.” An
>>American wouldn’t have said that. An American, I think, would have
>>said “Mr. Himmler, tomorrow is a bad time for me. Any other day of
>>the week, I’d love to come and watch what you want to show me.”
>>
>>I don’t know, but the Germans seem to be of a different mentality.
>>I’m afraid I have to agree to a certain extent with Daniel Goldhagen,
>>whose book suggests that the German mentality is somewhat different.
>>It’s not going to make me friends, of course.
>
>Actually German-bashing has been in vogue for the past 50 years as you
>fully know,

I thought it was eighty years.

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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:18:01 -0800, Robert Born
wrote:

>Swiss bank billions wrote:
>[…]
>
>> 404 Not Found
>>
>> The requested URL /~mcolker/jews.html was not found on this server.
>>
>> Anybody can do that.

>Do the Adolf Hitler again?

Is that where the site is found?

From g[email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:26 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (BB)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars…
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:10:37 GMT
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 03:13:24 GMT, [email protected] (Kurt Stele)
wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:20:59 -0700, [email protected] (Mark Van
>Alstine) wrote:
>
>>Does this mean that the Sonderkommando “eagerly assisted the Germans?” No,
>>that is yet another of Mr. Allen’s pernicious lies. In reading some the
>>reovered Sonderkommando diaries and the accounts of surviving
>>Sonderkommados, one can not, in all honesty, remotely suggest that the
>>Sonderkommando “”eagerly assisted the Germans.”
>
>These are the Sonderkommando who Holofraud witness Numero Uno (Ho’ss)
>said were eating and smoking upon removing the bodies “immediately
>after gassing.”
>
>>But then, who said Mr. Allen was even a remotely honest person?
>>
>>For those interested in Mr. Allen’s prolific Holocaust denial and crackpot
>>”theories,” please visit:
>>
>>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/a/allen.andrew
>
>Nizkook Command (aka Synagogue-front) has a “file” on everyone who
>doesn’t believe in the Mighty Fairy Tale.

Ah, yes, the synagogue is keeping files on people, very, very
openly just like the terrorist JDLs collected illegally and secretly.
We will have to ask Grynspam if he sees a pattern here.

“You still haf relatives in da new country, ya?”

“Ve haf vays of getting to you and your family.”

“Ve are jooooos!”

From g[email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:27 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (BB)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 961109: David Irving banned from Australia
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:54:34 GMT
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On Wed, 20 Nov 96 12:07:35 GMT, [email protected] (Allan
Matthews) wrote:

>In article <32916d1d.80[email protected]>, [email protected] (Kurt Stele) wrote:
>>On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 05:58:05 GMT, [email protected] (Full Name1) wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:53:44 +0000, Dene Bebbington
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>Okay, please furnish me with the evidence that the “Zionist minority”
>>>>are those who decided that David Irving couldn’t enter Australia.
>>
>>Oh Dene. Jews had NOTHING to do with Irving being barred from
>>Australia. Everybody knows that. (snarf)
>
>So what if they did have something to do with it. Australia’s a free country,
>unlike your buddy Adolf’s little slice of paradise. More power to ’em.

Or, as one of the black US athletes at the 36 Olympics said,
“everyone was friendly and I didn’t have to ride in the back of the
bus.”

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:28 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Nizkor’s handler)
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:58:45 +0000, Dene Bebbington
wrote:

>BB wrote:
>>On 20 Nov 1996 10:00:47 GMT, [email protected] (Fatbroad!
>>(OFB)) wrote:
>>
>>>Archive/File: people/g/giwer.matt/giwer-10q
>>>Last-Modified: 1996/09/26
>>>
>>>”He who makes a claim bears the responsibility
>>> of supporting it.” (Matt Giwer)
>>>
>>>Question 1 [February 1996]
>>>————————–
>>>
>>
>> Excuse me, maam or sir as the case may be, these quesitons
>>originate from a synagogue that has denied it has anything to do with
>>nizkor while soliciting contributions.
>>
>> When the synagogue decides to be honest enough, i.e. to stop being
>>lying jews, then I will consider answering these questions.
>
>Translation: Giwer has no intention of answering the questions, but has
>come up with something that he thinks absolves him of the need to
>substantiate his wild assertions.

Translation, despite the statements and assertions of others to the
contrary, Nizkor is a front for a synagogue and its supporters are
shills. And it appears likely they are all involved in a charity scam
but that will be up to Revenue Canada to decide when they get the
information.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:29 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
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On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 07:40:07 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
OBE) wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:38:20 GMT, [email protected] (BB)
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:57:17 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
>>OBE) wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 04:17:50 GMT, [email protected] (Kurt Stele)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:50:48 -0500, [email protected] (Sara aka
>>>>Perrrfect) wrote:
>>>
>>>[text deleted]
>>>
>
>>>But then, who could we ridicule?
>>
>> But ridicule, despite Ken McVay’s assertion to the contrary, is not
>>the purpose of this conference and as such it is off topic and you
>>purpose here is only to disrupt the conference. Please stop or leave.
>
>Ridicule is perfectly valid when it responds to vicious, nasty,
>vulgar, mendacious and silly statements such as those posted by Mr.
>Giwer and his colleagues in denial.

Of course you miss the point exquisite skill; a dodge so to speak.
McVay announced in an interview that it is the purpose of the
synagogue to disrupt this conference, after one cuts through the
bullshit that is.

Rather than approach the issues
>of history, these gentlemen (and one must use the word reservedly)
>prefer to assail the readers of this newsgroup with the
>inconsequential blabberings of dementia ethanolica.

Now you know there is a penalty or such statements.

>From [email protected] Fri Nov 15 15:19:35 1996
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: 961115: The Tale of the City of Nanaimo.
From: [email protected] (E. Zundel Repost)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:19:35 -0800

The Zundelgrams are posted to alt.revisionism daily, unedited. They
do
not represent the views of the poster, who is not the author. See
X-Headers for relevant URLs. A good place to start is
https://nizkor.org/features/ or, if you’re in Europe,
http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/features/

The ZGrams now carry an X-No-Archive header, so they will not appear
in
most Usenet search engines unless they are quoted in followups. ZGrams
and
other material of interest can be searched by keyword or concept via
the
form at http://search.nizkor.org/search.html

———— BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ————

November 15, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

After I came back from Vancouver, I received a call from Ernst who
sounded
chipper as can be and told me happily: “I am on Vancouver Island in
the
city of Nanaimo. I am trying to find Ken McVay to see if I can get an
interview. . . ” and I said: “You are kidding!”

Yesterday, after having cleaned up yet another mail bomb mess that
took me
more than four hours to download onto my hard disk so I could finally
get
rid of it, I learned the finer details of the story while editing
Ernst’s
Power Letter for November.

In it, there is a little segment there for ZGram readers to preview
and
savor. Entitled “The elusive “Nizkor boss” – Ken McVay”, it offers
food
for thought.

Here’s Ernst:

“I have lived and worked in the same location for over 21 years. I
have
been bombed in 1984, burned out in 1995, and was sent a mail bomb a
few
weeks after the fire. Each time, some Jewish group or individuals, in
calls to the press, have claimed credit for those acts. Yet I still
talk
to Jews. In person. Freely and practically daily.

McVay, just what is the big deal?

I had some business to conduct in Western Canada where Ken McVay
resides.
I had plans to meet with my attorney and advisors, translators and
supporters. While I was there, I wanted to take the opportunity to
drop in
at the Nizkor Office, meet and, hopefully, interview Ken McVay – at
the
very least, I hoped to get a little more acquainted! After all, we
have
“known” each other since September of 1995 when the Nizkor people
announced, in alt.revisionism, I believe, that since we were not going
to
be joining them in the sewers of that newsgroup that they populate,
they
were going to “. . . follow us onto the Web” – or words to that
effect.

Out of that, and many letters back and forth, all of which are
archived for
posterity, grew the aborted “debate” that triggered last year’s
cyberwar
about Free Speech on-line – another Z=FCndel First.

Ever since, we have linked with Nizkor on every one of our documents,
stating “We do not recruit; we convince. Truth has no need of
coercion.
=46or relentless Holocaust promotion, on the other hand, contact
Nizkor.”

If people click on “Nizkor”, it takes them straight to their page
where
Deborah Lipstadt, in “Denying the Holocaust”, is quoted, for her part,
as
follows:

“…truth is far more fragile than fiction…reason alone cannot
protect it.=
”

We beg to differ, see? Makes us look good by comparison, doesn’t it?

My plan had been to make a video or at least a radio interview with
Nizkor’s “Director and Founder,” Ken McVay, to be broadcast all over
North
America by satellite, and later over 60 cities on Public Access TV.
Nizkor
could have reached millions of people with their Holocaust Promotion
story
– entirely free of charge!

But no dice!

We had sent an e-mail message to that effect, and had been told that
McVay
had been for five years on the Internet and that I could meet him
there –
whatever that was supposed to mean. The suggestion sounded to me like
something out of a cheap Western – I thought that I was challenged to
another electronic shoot-out at the OK Corral.

This response made me think that Ken’s handlers – or the people for
whom he
so diligently performs his shabbes-goy job at Nizkor – were shielding
him
>from me.

=46or my part, I had face-to-face in mind.

And so I decided to take the ferry across to Nanaimo, B.C., and visit
Ken
personally, shake his hand, look him straight in the eye, share a cup
of
coffee with him, shoot nothing but the breeze, and then see if there
was a
chance to do an interview. I was prepared to be grilled by Nizkor
staffers
and volunteers, and actually figured that we might build some bridges.
(I
am still dreaming of that live debate on national or even
international TV,
perhaps broadcast from some prestigious university campus. I do not
easily
give up!)

I got off the boat, looked up a map, and drove to what I thought was
the
Nizkor Office advertised on the Internet. Imagine my surprise when I
could
only find a mail drop – the kind you see in most cities where
frequently
“fly-by-night” outfits operate their shady enterprises.

I looked at it, and then I filmed it for posterity, to get at least a
head
start. It took me a while to come to realize that either McVay is a
midget
and lives in one of those mail boxes that Nizkor is renting – and
which I
thought naively was their “suite” number in some stately office
complex –
or they have something to hide. The Anti-Racist-Action Marxist
terrorist
group in Toronto is similarly stationed – or so, at least, they said
on
their grant application form to fleece the Canadian tax payers.

This situation says a lot.

You can call me at the Z=FCndel-Haus, and I personally answer the
phone. I
take great care to be accessible. You can visit me at a real location
with
an address listed in the telephone book where grown-up people live and
work
in real rooms. Every day, I talk to people face to face – even
enemies and
opponents. My name and full address are on my letterhead and business
cards, in video films and TV and radio shows broadcast around the
globe.
That’s how I have operated for all of the 38 years I have lived in
Canada.
That is my style – because I have nothing to hide.

In my opinion and experience, only cowards, liars, con-men and crooks
hide
behind a PO Box and a sleazy mail drop operation out of some cubbyhole
in a
shopping mall and refuse to meet in an honest encounter.

Once I realized the con, I decided to call Nizkor’s telephone number
given
on the Internet. I heard the voice, after being given the “Shalom”,
of a
Mike Goldberg. Apparently, in light of recent events, he is the
schlepp
for Ken McVay – or Ken, more likely than not, is the goy-schlepp for
Goldberg.

I left two messages on the machine, requesting that he or someone
please
call my Toronto Office, where I would pick up my messages. I
mentioned
that I was out West, wanting to meet McVay.

An emergency number was given on that recording, and I took that down
and
looked at it, divining to whom it belonged.

Being respectful and mindful of the Jewish Sabbath, I did not call on
Saturday before sundown – but after the Sabbath had ended, I decided
the
emergency was now real because I would be returning to the mainland
and to
Toronto soon.

I called the emergency number and got a rather suspicious-sounding
woman on
the line who, it turned out, was Mrs. Goldberg.

I once again stated that, by now, it was an emergency and I wanted to
do an
interview with McVay of Nizkor since I had come all the way across the
continent to do so. Would someone please call back?

No one, of course, called back.

So I had the telephone number checked out by B.C. Telephone to find
out who
was using the name of that answering service, and to my not-so-great
surprise, did not get the Midgets at the Mail drop but instead the
Mighty
Synagogue in Victoria, B.C., – 95 kilometers away – who hustles the
money
for Ken’s front.

Task not accomplished, I left.

On my way back to Toronto, I was told by one of my office associates
that
Harry Abrams, the Jewish hyper-activist of B’nai Brith, Victoria, had
sent
a threatening type e-mail, demanding that, in the future, if I wanted
to
reach Ken McVay, I should only contact him (!) or the R.C.M.P. (!!)

Well. I was flabbergasted! Was the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in
Victoria, B.C. taking messages for Nizkor’s head honcho?

What do you make of this story? These Nizkor folks are allegedly into
spreading “truth” about the Holocaust and fighting Nazi lies etc. I
wonder
why they are hiding – or what they have to fear.

=46rankly, I was saddened by this lesson. I thought Ken McVay was an
electronic free speech advocate and freedom fighter. It seems to me
now
that he is either a prisoner in that mail box out there in Nanaimo or,
more
likely, a front man for deeper, darker things – and someone is
exploiting
and using him, fearing that in a face-to-face confrontation, Ken would
not
be able to hack it and might become a convert to the Z=FCndel cause
after al=
l
– which would be sad day indeed for the synagogue boys. And for
Nizkor!

I understand Ken is an American. I find it ironic that a man raised
on
=46irst Amendment Rights, undoubtedly taught to cherish free speech,
now
works, or at least fronts for, an organization that has him utterly
gagged.

At the Zundelsite, we don’t recruit; we convince. For relentless
Holocaust promotion, contact the midgets in the mailbox at Nizkor. . .
”

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

“You never know where bottom is until you plumb for it.”

(Frederick Laing)

________
________
________ The Zundelsite can be found at
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/

———— END ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ————

The lying synagogue is advertised again.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:30 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: The uncertainty principle as applied to the holocaust
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On the chaotic nature of reality as applied to the holocaust

The holocaust both exists and does not exist until it is resolved.
It exists and does not exist as there are presently people who both
believe and act as though it occurred and others as though it did not
occur. As such there are only people’s beliefs and actions that are
under consideration at the present.

As with the cat, the most elequent pro or con its being alive or
dead, the most profound beliefs, the most consequential actions do not
determine whether or not the cat is alive or dead.

The issue can only be resolved by looking at the evidence rather
than considering people’s opinions about the occurance of the event.
Opinions and beliefs and actions are not the event itself. They are
things about the event. None can establish any event pro or con.

One might liken the refusal to look at the events of the holocaust
themselves (their substantive physical remants at least) to a great
fear on the part of cat lovers that indeed the cat is dead.

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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
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On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 07:40:00 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
OBE) wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:43:08 GMT, [email protected] (BB)
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:57:11 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
>>OBE) wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 04:23:54 GMT, [email protected] (Kurt Stele)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 20 Nov 1996 16:27:54 GMT, [email protected] (Richard
>>>>Schultz) wrote:
>>>
>>>[considerable text removed for brevity]
>>>
>
>>>What have we here? A representative of a White Supremacy organization
>>>is challenging a scientist? Furthermore, Mr. “Stele” (aka Brian
>>>Smith) continues to use his tired, worn-out, juvenile vulgarities in
>>>an effort to cover up the fact that what he knows about exothermic
>>>reactions can be written on the head of a pin with a felt-tipped pen.
>
>> As a typical lying jew you first accuse him, without evidence of
>>being represented. Then as a typical jew, you believe any posting
>>from somone who represents himself as being a jew.
>
>Is the cloacal mouthed gentleman fdenying that Mr. Brian Smith is an
>active member of a White supremacist organisation? Dear me. It
>appears that this person is incapable of visiting the Nizkor web page
>for evidence of who Mr. “Stele” (aka Brian Smith) is, and which
>organisation he belongs to.

Prove the aka some day. Otherwise it is simply your assertion.
That you refer to the lying synagogue as a source of proof has no
bearing upon the subject, save to demonstrate 1) your gullibility and
2) your willingness to believe anything another jew says, in this
case, the synagogue.

>> You know absolutely nothing of science so you can not judge.
>
>Who on earth will ever believe that our schizophrenic friend is
>competent to judge whether I have any knowledge of science or not?
>Is this deranged person a psychic? Not at all. He knows not one
>thing about what I know. To disenhearten him a bit, I will confess to
>having a modest knowledge of analytical chemistry, primarily in the
>field of instrumental analysis. This foul-mouthed creature can rant
>and rave and stamp his slippered feet to no avail…

It is not a matter of who believes it. I have said what is obvious
to me from what you have written. Those who know something about
science can see it also. And you are not the first one-lab tech who
is convinced they understand the subject.

>> Nothing but a lying jew, just like the synagogue that fronts nizkor
>>as independent.
>
>More racial epiphets. One could not expect less from this bloated
>consumer-in-excess of ethanol.

If jews do not wish to be called lying jews then they should not
lie. BTW: Jews are not a race as recognized by any science,
therefore it is not a racial ephithet. But you know that.

>Mr. Giwer should use this language with his fine parents. A dime to a
>dollar that they are profoundly ashamed of him.

One usually only hears such a comment from a woman playing mommy.
Suffering from gender confusion?

Nizkor, a synagogue in action.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:31 PST 1996
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 07:36:39 GMT, [email protected] (John
Morris) wrote:

>In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>> Testimony of SS Oberscharfuehrer Erich Bauer
>>> [Quoted in “BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA – the Operation Reinhard
>>> Death Camps”, Indiana University Press – Yitzhak Arad, 1987, p. 77]
>>> —————————————————————-
>
>[snip]
>
>>Of course you have proof to support this man’s story, other
>>than more “eyewitness” testimonies?
>
>How about this:
>
> In the area where the gas chambers were supposed to have been
> located, the commission’s team of 30 excavation workers reportedly
> found “human remains, partially in the process of decay,” and an
> unspecified amount of ash. Untouched sandy soil was reached at 7.5
> meters, at which point the digging was halted. An accompanying
> photograph of an excavated pit reveals some large bones.

50 down and 9,999,950 to go. Any thing else?

> Poland’s “Central Commission for Investigation of German Crimes”
> reported that “large quantities of ashes mixed with sand, among
> which are numerous human bones, often with the remains of
> decomposing tissues,” were found in the five acre (two hectare)
> burial area during an examination of the site shortly after the end
> of the war.

Ah, but the cremation remains were only crushed to one cm in size.
So what is this ash? Where did the sand come from? What was this
really?

So where are the other 9,999,950 bodies?

From g[email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:32 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (BB)
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:52:43 GMT
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:25:03 -0700, [email protected] (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>wrote:
>
>> ON Nov 20, 1996Jamie McCarthy WROTE
>>
>> > Somewhat nerviously the SS guard at the entrance waited
>> > for the last man to enter the yard. Quickly he shut the gate and bolted
>> > it. GEE, MARK, JUST ONE GUARD AND THREE
>> > THOUSAND VICTIMS. NO WONDER HE WAS NERVOUS!
>>
>> >One guard _at_the_entrance_.
>>
>> >Mr. Allen, aren’t you trying awfully hard to
>> >find fault with these
>> >testimonies? Now why might that be?
>>
>> To Jamie:
>> Do YOU believe that one (1) guard at the
>> gate herded 3,000 people into the Krema
>> courtyard to murder them?
>>
>> If so, then you MUST agree that Trickery rather than
>> force was vital to the German plan to kill people.
>> One guard in the middle of 3,000 people, no gate
>> on the exit, only a pistol concealed in his pocket.
>> Clearly, then you must believe that trickery
>> played a vital role
>
>
>Speaking of “Trickery,” Mr. Allen appears to be in a deceptive mood
>lately. Must because his “arguments” are quietly rotting in the ground….
>
>To whit:
>
>”…Explicit instructions as to their behaviour were given the SS men by
>Ho”ssler. Up till then the guards treated the new arrivals very roughly,
>trying to ‘keep them at arm’s length’ with blows, but their were no
>uncivil words at that moment. The more fiendish the whole plan!

Just like the “fiendish” Fu Manchu and other fictional villians.

Both
>leaves of the big entrance gate to the crematorium were wide open.
>Suspecting nothing the column marched in, in lines of five persons,

But if you look at the picture of the entrance you find it is less
than two people wide. Beyond that, ACCURATE description.

and
>stood in the yard. Somewhat nervously the SS guard at the entrance waited
>for the last man to enter the yard. Quickly he shut the gate and bolted
>it….” (Czech, _KL Auschwitz_, p.175.)

Which is wood framed barbed wire from the picture. What security
>from thousands of paniced people.

>Would Mr. Allen care to explain why he omitted to mention the part about
>how “[e]xplicit instructions as to their behaviour were given the SS men
>by Ho”ssler. Up till then the guards treated the new arrivals very
>roughly, trying to ‘keep them at arm’s length’ with blows…”

Would you care to explain why what you did post is contrary to
physical fact?

>And what about the part that states: “…The hall meanwhile was getting
>packed. Several SS men had entered with them, full of jokes and small
>talk. They inobtrusuvely kept their eyes on the entrance. As soon as the
>last person had entered, they dissapeared without much ado. Suddenly the
>door was closed….”

That does not appear to indicate one of the five rooms in the
building.

>Why did Mr. Allen “overlook” that part as well?
>
>Clearly, Broad relates, with the explicit mention of “a few guards,” “SS
>men” and “Several SS men,” that there was more than _one_ SS man guarding
>the (mostly elderly and numerically unspecified) victims.

Clearly we have only a few guarding thousands from the OTHER
descriptions which you also hold to be true, roughly 3000 people as
you hold the other descriptions to also be true. If 3000 people
decide to get out of control, you need around 300 people with
machineguns to have a chance of surviving in reasonable numbers.

It is unclear that the number of guards needed is in such variance
with the description of their number and their arms.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:33 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism — Gate.Net Refuses to Help
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On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 07:40:13 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
OBE) wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:39:04 -0500, [email protected] (Sara aka
>Perrrfect) wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>>(Harry W. Mazal OBE) wrote:
>
>>It’s worse than that, Mr. Mazel.
>
>Err… it’s Mazal, please!
>
>
>>
>>Mr. Giwer is apparently so distraught at being permanently unemployed that
>>he has taken as a full-time job the creation of new pseudonyms. I’d suggest
>>basket-weaving to him as a possible alternative. It would certianly be more
>>productive than the weaving of lies he is currently engaged in.
>
>Is this truly so? Mr. Giwer has protested vehemently every time I
>have suggested that he is unemployed (and unemployable). He swore
>that he was merely “retired.” I took him at his word and even
>apologized for having insinuated that he was without a job. Now you
>tell me that mr. Giwer lied? Dear me. What is this newsgroup coming
>to…

As noted before, a jew lies and you believe the jew because it is a
jew.

Which is par for anyone who would believe a lying synagogue.

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From: [email protected] (BB)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.bonehead.matt-giwer
Subject: Re: Twelve Questions Matt Giwer won’t Answer (Month 11)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:04:42 GMT
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On 20 Nov 1996 18:29:58 -0000, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:

>—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—–
>
>[email protected] (BB) writes:
>> Excuse me, maam or sir as the case may be, these quesitons
>>originate from a synagogue that has denied it has anything to do with
>>nizkor while soliciting contributions.
>
> Ever hear of the argumentum ad-hominem, Matt? Do you know why it is
>generally not valid?

Ever heard of clean hands? We have a knowningly and willfully
deceptive synagogue posting questions. Their hands are not clean and
have no business participating here under any guise including the
Nizkor daughter organization.

Nizkor is a URL, a mail drop and a synagogue phone number and
nothing more.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:35 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
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On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 19:31:17 +0000, Dene Bebbington
wrote:

>Dene Bebbington wrote:
>>BB wrote:
>>>On 20 Nov 1996 10:00:47 GMT, [email protected] (Fatbroad!
>>>(OFB)) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Archive/File: people/g/giwer.matt/giwer-10q
>>>>Last-Modified: 1996/09/26
>>>>
>>>>”He who makes a claim bears the responsibility
>>>> of supporting it.” (Matt Giwer)
>>>>
>>>>Question 1 [February 1996]
>>>>————————–
>>>>
>>>
>>> Excuse me, maam or sir as the case may be, these quesitons
>>>originate from a synagogue that has denied it has anything to do with
>>>nizkor while soliciting contributions.
>>>
>>> When the synagogue decides to be honest enough, i.e. to stop being
>>>lying jews, then I will consider answering these questions.
>
>I should also point out that Giwer has made comments that he thinks Jews
>and Liars are one and the same thing, so I assume that this statement of
>his is yet another attempted get out clause. But then, we wouldn’t
>really expect Giwer to actually answer questions with evidence would we.

Guess this nizkor example proves the case, does it not? And if
not, why not? It will be up to Revenu Canada to determine, will it
now?

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:36 PST 1996
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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 01:37:58 GMT, [email protected] (Raj Thomas)
wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:17:10 GMT, [email protected] (BB)
>wrote:
>>>On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:31:57 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>John Howar, the first truly racis Prime Ministe of Australia
>>>>was awarde the prestigious ROTY ( Revisionist Of The Year )
>>>>award at a secret ceremony held in
>>>>Sydneys sewers, narrowly beating David Irving by a small margin
>>>I take issue with this.I don’t think that your can really compare little John to David
>>>Irving.David Irving is banned in half a dozen countries for anti-semitic
>>>revisionism. John Howard is just a right wing populist poplitician
>>>without sense or compassion.
>>>David Howard denies the reality of the Holocaust, an event that killed
>>>6 million. John Howard just want more votes and probably believes that
>>>the way to do that is to deny that Aborigines were killed ( about
>>>500,000 I think ).
>> Get the holocaust story straight. It was 12 million of which 10
>>million lie undiscovered in mass graves all over eastern europe.
>
>I do not mean to diminish the horror of the Holocaust.

But nothing approaching any such number of mass graves has ever
been found. Can you explain?

> > You folks never get your story straight.
>
>Ouch ! That hurts….
>I guess that reading Bidemann, Louis Jacobs, Rambam and Halkin doesnt
>count…

Not when they all tell different stories and avoid dealing with
physical evidence and the lack thereof.

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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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On 22 Nov 1996 11:24:39 GMT, [email protected] (Brian Harmon)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, wrote:
>> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>> SS-Untersturmfuehrer Oberhauser on the death camp at Belzec
>> [Quoted in ‘The Good Old Days’ – E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
>> Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 228-230]
>> —————————————————————-
>>Snip
>>
>>. Brack stated that the euthanasia
>>> programme had stopped and that the people from T4 would from now on be
>>> detailed to him on a regular basis so that the decisions taken at the
>>> Wannsee conference could be implemented. As it appeared that it would
>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>This is an obvious fake, as there is a reference to the Wannsee
>>Conference, which had nothing to do with exterminating human
>>beings. Better luck next time.
>
>
>Rubbish. There are other documents discussing the Wansee
>conference and they make full reference to exterminating
>the Jews and the Wansee conference.
>
>Hans Frank, The Governer-General of Poland, made explicit
>reference to both the extermination of Jews and the upcoming
>Wansee conference in a speech on December 16th, 1941:
>———-
> … One way or another, I will tell you that quite openly,
>we must finish off the Jews.
>[..]
>I will therefore, on principle, approach Jewish affairs in the
>expectation that the Jews will disappear. They must go. [..]
>In January there will be a major conference on this question in
>Berlin, to which I shall send State Secretary Dr. Beuhler.
>[..]
>…we will be able to take measures that will somehow lead to
>successful destruction; and this in connection with the large
>scale procedures which are to be discussed in the Reich.
>—–
>
>The Januaray conference mentioned by Frank is none other
>than the Wansee confernce. The famous minutes from that
>conference were dated on January 20, 1942.

Working on the presumption that he is refering to the same meeting
…

Which of course only indicates that he was completely wrong about
what the conference would conclude. So what else is new? If this
lower level type knew the conclusion then there would have been no
need for the meeting.

And if he knew the conclusion of the meeting before it was made, he
was not the only one and then there was clearly no reason for the
document to have a limited distribution.

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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
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Subject: Re: Wither the ten million?
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:37:15 GMT, CHRIST SODOMIZER posting as
[email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (BB) (some forger) writes:
>
># No matter how many times I bring it up, no holohubber appears
># interested in deal with the nine to ten million people in
># mass graves all over eastern europe, as in ten thousand of
># so mass graves but only a very few found and those associated
># with non-racial events.
>#
># Does anyone have any idea why no one will attempt to
># address that issue?
>
>This argument was addressed. It has some serious flaws.
>
>1) If you will demand to see 6 million corpses as a proof
> that the Holocaust took place, you should also demand
> to see 10 million or so corpses as proof of Stalin’s
> atrocities, and 100,000 corpses or so as proof that
> Dresden was bombed, etc.

You never get the story straight. I want 9-10 million corpses and
2-3 million bodies worth of ashes from the holocaust alone. Even
Nizkor adopted my point of dedicating itself to 12 million and
dropping Lipshidts’ non sequitur in the process. And they never
thanked me.

As for Stalin, we need some 20 million for the Ukraine alone but we
know where they are and they are well marked as any Christian nation
would do despite the atheist, communist, jewish government
prohibitions.

So too are the Dresden burials marked. There is no need to asked
after them.

That leaves us with the holocaust as the only one with the lack of
bodies, ashes and marked burial sites.

But of course you know that.

Going further, the records of both Dresden and of the Stalin
extermination are available to any researcher. In both cases they
demonstrate a clear paper trail from the top down to those who
committed the acts.

This differs from the holocaust in which there is no paper trail,
no primary, secondary or tertiary orders and no indication of any
organized activity.

> This should be clear even to a senile drunkard such as
> yourself, hopefully. You cannot apply a double standard.

If you would quit posting as Christ Sodomizer in the other threads
your position would be more tenable.

But as you can see, I have no double standard, I have the same
standard in all cases. Stalin’s executions and arrests to the Gulags
in the 1930s are all fully documented down to the person’s passport
number where appropriate; everything necessary for legal
identification even if it was a summary execution for being as suspect
in a non-crime only.

The Nazis in fact have the same records which have been released by
the Russians concerning the fate of the 70,000 or so that died at
Auschwitz-Birkenau during its entire history. The Death Books are in
the same detail as Stalin’s records.

> It should also be clear to you that you will not be able
> to find, perhaps, one single corpse for which it can be
> proved that it is the corpse of someone killed in the
> aerial attack on Dresden. If you know of such a corpse,
> please tell us where it can be found.

They are under the markers of the places where the ashes were laid
after they were burned. If you want an exhumation you will have to
deal with the German government. But they are in marked graves.

The supposed 9-10 million bodies were in unmarked mass graves, so
the story goes. Thus they would be dug up by accident regularly. In
the 1940s taking people outside of town and shooting them means they
were discovered in building suburbs and shopping centers in the
subsequent decades — but they were not.

> Even a senile drunkard like you should therefore understand
> that your “argument” extends to “prove” that Dresden was
> never bombed.

It is difficult to believe that Brown has sunk so low as to
graduate people with such a poor ability at reasoned arguement.

>2) Huge numbers of corpses and human remains were actually
> found, in some of the camps (Belsen, Treblinka, Maidanek).

How many? Where? In what form? Please be specific in your
answer. Your spam on Treblinka is already contrary to “huge” numbers
when we all know that the core samples would have to be 25-50% bone
fragments at Treblinka.

>Hence, your “argument” has the same value as your life: zero.

If my life had value, your words could harm it. You are correct in
that. My life, my reputation mean nothing to me. That puts me beyond
your reach. I can not be harmed by you.

But keep in mind, your life and reputation I hold in equal value.

>You’re a stupid, senile Nazi drunkard, admirer of Nazis who
>killed American POW’s in cold blood.

Actually you must be a jew to lie in saying that I am an admirer of
the Nazis or any other marxist political movement, including Zionism.

>-Danny Keren.

But then, you are either a shill or a dupe of the synagogue; a liar
for organized jewry. You would be nothing without this mission they
have given you and praise you for.

You seek to create a value for your life where there is no value.
You seek to have a meaning in your life where there is no meaning.
Every day you spend trying to find a way to make a name for yourself,
to make your life something others will praise and value. You seek the
meaning of your life in what others think of you.

You actually care what people think of you. You believe you can do
things that will make people care for you, appreciate you, want you as
a friend.

That is why you ingratiate yourself with others. You seek to
please them, do what they want, make them happy. That is why you will
never be yourself and always fear that what you are doing is what you
really are.

It must be a horrible life, fearing that all you are is doing
anything to be loved.

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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
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Subject: Re: a different perspective on Streicher.
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On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 03:44:49 GMT, [email protected] (John
Morris) wrote:

>In <[email protected]>, Matt Giwer ([email protected])
>[email protected] (Nizkor’s handler) wrote:
>
>> Not that only one heavily researched and footnoted issue using
>>reputable sources was introduced in evidence against him. It appears
>>that his crime was researching the article and presenting the results.
>>What a crime, a hate crime, the exercise of free inquiry and freedom
>>of the press.
>>
>> What an evil person to have found all of the material footnoted in
>>his evil article.
>>
>> The May, 1934 issue of Der Sturmer was
>> entered into evidence as the “worst act of
>> anti-Semitism” committed by Streicher. This
>
>Oh, look. Matt has discovered the Christian Identity hate site at
>nilenet. Why am I not surprised.

As the evidence is that Streicher, far from making it up, did a
well researched article, it is unclear why you would feel a need to
call it names. The Streicher quote from his trial, regardless of who
carries it, does not change or tinge the testimony.

Perhaps he will add the URL to his
>.sig with the Christian Identity hate site at pixi:
>
>>http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents

I am very familar with the site and can find no “hate” on it. I do
find the history of the “proof” the Protocols are a forgery, that a
judge in Schwitzerland said so. Can you guess why I am not impressed
with that?

>And now, I suppose, we are to feted to a series of spams from
>Christian Identity sites. This must be what Matt means by “doing”
>revisionism. The nearest equivalent I can think of to this kind of
>”doing” is what my dog was trained out of as a puppy.

Did you ever ask yourself why such an approach does not work with
me? You should think about it for a while. And here is a hint, why
would it work with you? When you have an honest answer to that, you
will know why you think it will work with me.

>”Good dog, Matt, good dog. You did it outside.”
>
>–
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
>–
>The Nizkor Project | https://nizkor.org/

The synagogue does it inside. Guess that makes them very, very bad
dogs.

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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
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On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 21:07:23 GMT, [email protected] (Emmanuel
Marin) wrote:

>[email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:
>
>>I don’t know, but the Germans seem to be of a different mentality.
>>I’m afraid I have to agree to a certain extent with Daniel Goldhagen,
>>whose book suggests that the German mentality is somewhat different.
>>It’s not going to make me friends, of course.
>
>Do not worry, Goldhagen is being applauded by the German youth
>when he presents his theories in public places. German historians
>are less enthusiastic, sure, but the German youth who wants
>to understand what happened can still be your friends. I can
>give you a lot of French references for that, since his work
>has been the subject of many press coverages here in France,
>for reasons you may guess and for some you may not (We had
>a President recently, now deceased, who said, hem, strange
>words about France and the WWII. I wish Goldhagen had
>started his European trip ealier, when Mitterrand was still alive…)
>
>I’d just say you’d better write about “Germans in the 30’s” instead
>of “Germans” only. [CAVEAT : Fast-Food History follows, the
>truth is obviously far more complex !] Don’t forget that for
>instance at that time Germany was somehow kept on being
>humiliated by the winners of World War I – and that includes
>my country, France, about which there is also a lot to say
>about how it collaborated with the Nazis. Now Germany is
>a leading force for the future European Community, so
>to think that Germans’ state of mind today have anything to
>do with those of the 30’s is very, very far-fetched, IMHO…

You need to realize that the person you are responding to has an
official ax to grind as he is responsible, directly or indirectly, to
a synagogue for his opinions. It is clear from even a cursory review
of history that organized jewery, usually in the form of the World
Jewish Congress and it national subsidiaries have had the objective a
demonizing Germany since 1916 or so.

Some of them, like this person find the freedom to hate so
powerful, the exhileration of finding pure evil to attractive, that
they can not get out of the mindset that there is a german “race” that
has particular characteristics. These are of course the first people
to cry foul should any particular negative characteristic be
identified in jews.

Thus this type can feel righteous in defending the “oppressed” and
justified in condemning the oppressor. It has been suggested that it
is a variation upon Van Muenchhausen’s disease where one draws
attention to one’s self by one’s own suffering or the suffering of
others.

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On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:34:10 GMT, [email protected] (Serdar
Yegulalp) wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:02:29 GMT, [email protected] (Chris Carpenter)
>wrote:
>
>> (Henry Ford, Dearborn Independent)
>
>….and notorious anti-Semite who invested money in a reprinting of the
>”Protocols” forgery.

A swiss judge, under interesting civil trial circumstances, sort of
declared it a forgery. That is the sole basis for the claim of
forgery.

Got some basis for it? Ever read them? What appears forged to
you?

Hint: “They couldn’t have” is insufficient. It is unclear what a
bunch of senile old men could not do.

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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 01:53:51 GMT, [email protected] (Raj Thomas)
wrote:

>On 21 Nov 1996 12:41:24 +1100, [email protected] (Ramon Re)
>wrote:
>>Although it was mainly the jews that the Nazis picked on last time, if
>>they ever get back into power, next time it could be the catholics. Or
>>the blacks. Or women. Like me, you may not be a jew. But that doesn’t
>>mean you’re safe. We have to fight against racial hatred, and
>>organisations that thrive on racial hatred like the KKK and the Nazis. Or
>>the next time it could be us.
>
>Geoff Cousins, the CEO of Optus made an interesting speech this week
>pointing out parallels between what is happening in Australia today
>( increasing racism, the demonisation of the “Asian” community,
>physical attacks on “Asians” and “Asian” small businesses, “Asian”
>children being assaulted in schools etc ) and what happened to the
>Jewish community in Geremany before the full force of the Nazi horror
>was unleashed. Excerpts of the speech were reprinted in Friday’s
>Sydney Morning Herald.
>
>I often borrow books on Judaica from the local synagogue library and
>yes, I can see what Cousins is talking about. Seeing the change in the
>popular mood here, I can also understand how charismatic political
>leaders and media forces can incite an already racist population (
>Germany before, perhaps Australia in the future ) to acts of
>unspeakable bastardry.

Except that save for the recent Goldhagen attempt to force fit
Germany into the mold you have given, it did not happen in Germnay.
Remember that it was all a secret and done only by the party in power.
Ordinary citizens had nothing to do with it.

But as Goldhagen has a new story to tell (and history is story
telling to non-analytic minds) it is gaining the credence of your
story as story. It did not happen that way. There was no pretension
it happened that way until the new dramatic theme emerged.

It is this silly crap story telling that is the foundation of the
holocaust in the first place. It is all in the ghost story mode and
is a mass mania among jews. That they never grew out of childhood
stories (be good or a nazi will turn you into a lampshade) does not
make the stories to terrify children true.

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From: [email protected] (Freddie)
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On 22 Nov 1996 18:12:20 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> chief@rabbi.com (Nizkor’s handler) (lying Nazi coward afraid to
> post under his own name) writes:
>
> ## [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
> ##
> ## Giwer wants to kill people who disagree
> ## with him about historical facts
>
> […]
>
> # We always expect lies from people who front for jews.
>
> From [email protected] Tue Sep 17 09:07:00 EDT 1996
> Article: 121220 of alt.revisionism
>
> [Giwer writes to me]
>
> # Were you at my back in combat I would turn and kill you
> # first as you can not be trusted to have loyalties to the
> # US above all others.
>
> This is a death threat, plain and simple.
>
> From [email protected] Sat Sep 21 17:58:06 EDT 1996
> Article: 122260 of alt.revisionism
>
> # Keren of course is an apologist liar for murdering jews and
> # a traitor because his loyalties are to Israel rather than to
> # the US.
> #
> # The curse is upon him.
> #
> # He and everyone like him has been formally reported to the US
> # Gov and they have no mroe chance of getting or retaining a
> # security clearance than Pollard and for the same reason, they
> # are no loyal Americans.
> #
> # They have all supported Isreali murders of Americans.
> #
> # Their fate should be death but the curse is now upon them.
>
>> Giwer clearly says I should be killed because my opinions
>> on history differ from his.
>>
>> From [email protected] Sat Sep 21 18:10:17 EDT 1996
>> Article: 122347 of alt.revisionism
>>
>> [Giwer writes to me]
>>
>> # May napalm burn you skin. May cannon fire tear your
>> # apart. May you know death from drowning.
>>
>> Again, Giwer clearly says I should be killed because my
>> opinions on history differ from his.
>>
>>
>> -Danny Keren.
>>
>>
>>>>>
>Danny, you are such a silly little man. Listen to poor Danny Keren, who
>whines and cries like a whimpering infant when people get pissed off at his
>continuous insults. You deserve all the sympathy of a rattlesnake poised and
>ready to strike, and like the rattlesnake, honest people should flee from you before
>being infected with your pseudo-historical poison.

The treatment for rattlesnakes is to make hatbands of them.

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On 23 Nov 1996 13:06:20 -0800, [email protected] (Troy Varange) wrote:

>Annie Alpert writing [ 2986] bytes in <[email protected]> from nexp.crl.com!pacbell.com!amdahl.com!amd!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!206.20.179.44 on alt.revisionism said:
>
>> > #1) Antisemitism can be defined as intentionally feeling
>> > desires that potentionally may reduce the power of the Jewish
>> > collective leadership;
>> >
>> > #2) and when unintentional, failing to make amends for it.
>
> This is the standard definition of antisemitism.
>
>> Why do you feel amends have to be made if you stand behind you position?
>
> The difficult position can still be maintained but amends
> must be paid to avoid being an antisemite.
>
>> > It has not yet been proven that Irving is an antisemite;
>> > after all, he could be an agent of Jewish businessmen.
>>
>> He is totally obsessed with Jews. He thinks they are out to get him.
>
> That is often the pro-Jewish position.
>
>> The ‘agent of Jewish businessmen” theory is totally specious.
>
> There has not yet been proof either way.

But agent of the redunant jewish synagogue has been proven for
Nizkor. In fact “secret” agent although it was obvious from the
beginning.

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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:45:26 -0500, [email protected] (Sara aka
Perrrfect) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
>[incredibly long quoted post snipped]
>
>Mr. Giwer….
>
>please knock it off.
>
>You’re not even amusing anymore, just plain pathetic.
>
>Go away, little man.

Now you know there is a penalty for such silly statements.

The amount of ashes

The amount of cremated remains to be
found

The following questions and
answers come from the Internet Cremation
Society FAQ.

Dec. 26, 1995

Q. What’s left after a body is cremated? It’s
ash, but what size are the pieces? Are they fine, like dust, or
larger? Can you still see pieces of bone or teeth?

A. Tony, After the cremation process is
complete, all that is left is very brittle bone fragments. Many
of the bones are still distinguishable although not fully in
tact. Technically, there are no ashes left at all but the term
“ashes” is used to describe what is referred to as cremated
remains or cremains. The pieces of bone fragments are then
processed into a fine powder and placed in the urn selected. What
remains after the cremation process is approximately 5 to 7
pounnds of cremated remains.

The above says 5-7 pounds so
lets keep it on the low side 5 pounds.

For 800,000 (cremated at
Treblinka) x 5 lbs = 4,000,000 lbs = 2000 tons of bone fragments
missing. These bone fragments are, according to the story,
buried in a 90 by 70 meter area. That is 300 feet by 230 feet or
69,000 square feet. That is about 58 pounds per square foot.

With 1,200,000 cremations at
Auschwitz equaling 3000 tons of bone fragments.

Feb. 7, 1996

Q. Do you have standard requirements for an urn?
Someone has asked me to design and fabricate two urns for he and
his wife. I have no idea where to start.Do you have design
specifications?

A. In order to accomodate the cremated remains
of an average size adult, the urn should have a capacity of at
least 205 cubic inches. Beyond that requirement, any shape, size
and design is acceptable and the only limitations is your
imagination.

Here we have the volume of this
mass of bone fragments.

This gives us roughly 3500
cubic yards of bone fragments to find at Treblinka and some 5200
cubic yards of them at Auschwitz. This latter is a cube 52 feet
on a side. On the other hand it would cover three acres about
one foot deep. However there a convenient river there that has
never been probed.

So back to Treblinka. There we
have a 45 foot cube. Thus we have enough to cover the 69,000
square feet at Treblinka to a depth of 16 inches with bone
fragments. But of course they were buried so at some point
coring would find a 16 inch thick layer of bone fragments.

However, note from the first
Q&A that the fragments are ground to a fine powder. At Auschwitz
the grinding equipment and the sieve have been found. It
indicates rather than a fine powder that the fragments were on
the order of 1 centimeter, or 2/5 of an inch. Thus the volume of
the coarser grind would be greater than for a fine powder.

On both of the above this would
be the result of a modern cremation where there is no hurry and
the job is being done thoroughly. One would expect a greater
volume and weight if done hurriedly and incompletely.

The question the honest person
has to ask is why such a huge volume of material can not be found
and the answer is obvious that no one has looked.

To compound the problem these are not the only missing ashes.

But wait.
It gets worse.

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On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 06:56:55 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>[email protected] writes:
>
>[About the testimony of SS-woman Herta Ehlret]
>
># You have this irritating habit of reposting the same old
># lies and I wonder why….
>
>You have this odd habit of claiming that you know more about
>what happened in Nazi camps than each and every person who
>was in them. I guess it’s more than just an odd habit – must
>be some kind of mental illness.
>
># Herta Ehlert has been dealt with before and
># rather decisively, I might add.
>
>Oh, you’re also a very humble guy.
>
>Anyway, you claimed that Ehlret was lying, and that commandant
>Kramer was a reliable and truthful witness. However, he also
>testified about the murder in the Natzweiler and Birkenau gas
>chambers. But, oh, wait, you claim that he was reliable and
>truthful only when he said what you want to hear, right?
>
>You’re such a stupid and dishonest Nazi apologist.

>-Danny Keren.

Unlike you, little Danny, when there are no more nazis there is no
one from whom to obtain praise and self worth. When one apologizes
for Jews, there are still many of them to imagine will praise you and
give you self worth.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:45 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Freddie)
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Subject: Re: agressive
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 12:40:26 GMT
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On 23 Nov 1996 20:37:25 GMT, [email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <574qe4[email protected]> – [email protected] Nov 1996
>18:12:20 GMT writes:
>:>
>:> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>
>[deletion of Hitlerhugger Giwer’s death threats against Danny Keren)
>
>:>> Again, Giwer clearly says I should be killed because my
>:>> opinions on history differ from his.
>
>:>Danny, you are such a silly little man. Listen to poor Danny Keren, who
>:>whines and cries like a whimpering infant when people get pissed off at his
>:>continuous insults. You deserve all the sympathy of a rattlesnake poised and
>:>ready to strike, and like the rattlesnake, honest people should flee from you before
>:>being infected with your pseudo-historical poison.
>
>In other words, Mr. Blackmore thinks it is just fine for Hitlerhugger Giwer to
>drunkenly rave three death threats against Dr. Keren. Fine. Just so we know
>what kind of reptile we are dealing with.

The amount of ashes

The amount of cremated remains to be
found

The following questions and
answers come from the Internet Cremation
Society FAQ.

Dec. 26, 1995

Q. What’s left after a body is cremated? It’s
ash, but what size are the pieces? Are they fine, like dust, or
larger? Can you still see pieces of bone or teeth?

The above says 5-7 pounds so
lets keep it on the low side 5 pounds.

With 1,200,000 cremations at
Auschwitz equaling 3000 tons of bone fragments.

Feb. 7, 1996

Q. Do you have standard requirements for an urn?
Someone has asked me to design and fabricate two urns for he and
his wife. I have no idea where to start.Do you have design
specifications?

Here we have the volume of this
mass of bone fragments.

The question the honest person
has to ask is why such a huge volume of material can not be found
and the answer is obvious that no one has looked.

To compound the problem these are not the only missing ashes.

But wait.
It gets worse.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:46 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
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Subject: Re: I have to agree with Goldhagen
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 02:49:46 GMT
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On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:10:25 GMT, [email protected] (Mike Curtis)
wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>
>>> [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
>>> Hitler’s film cameraman took a lot of color photographs, and he
>>> described how he went and actually saw a mass shooting of Jews on the
>>> eastern front. It happened because, the evening before, Heinrich
>>> Himmler said, “Mr. Franz, how would you like to go and witness a mass
>>> shooting tomorrow morning? We’re going to be shooting a few thousand
>>> Jews.”
>>>
>>> And this photographer said, “Yes, sure I’d love to go along.” An
>>> American wouldn’t have said that. An American, I think, would have
>>> said “Mr. Himmler, tomorrow is a bad time for me. Any other day of
>>> the week, I’d love to come and watch what you want to show me.”
>>>
>To Jamie,
>
>Eichmann got sick, or so he said, from the sights he was “forced” to
>go report upon. At least he knew that was proper behavior to relate to
>his interrogator in order to make himself less of a monster. But he
>didn’t do anything to stop the transports despite the sickening things
>he knew would happen to them. They were Jews after all and it was the
>law.

Excuse me, but would you suggest a few things Eichmann might have
done to stop the transports? If it was “ordered” from the highest
levels, directly from Hitler himself most insist, just what were the
options of a high level secretary to stop it from happening?

This is a very serious question and I would very much like to hear
your answers.

>>This is an absurd story. What were these Jews allegedly shot for?
>
>Being Jews?

What were the other six million shot for?

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:47 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Throws Another Tantrum
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 09:18:27 GMT
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On 23 Nov 1996 07:35:13 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> The criminal Giwer rants:
>> Turn me in! Report my crimes, you cowardly little shit drunk lying
>> jew. Cite the law if you are not too drunk when reading this.

I see no Giwer here, lying kike koward.

> I just sent this along to gte. Perhaps MStein nbows understands why I
>gave them notice of your past criminal activities.

And the drunken harrassment continues. What else is to be expected
>from a little kike koward?

> Why don’t you tell us who your next ISP will be so that they can
>forego the nastiness of terminating you for cause and just refuse to to become
>accomplices?

The lying kike koward admits his balls only extend to ISPs and to
to criminal prosecutors.

This is the typical kike we have all come to know and dislike
intensely for their cowardly behavior. When you sober up in the
morning, despite the hangover, be the first kike to have balls and
report him to the proper authorities instead of being a kike.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:48 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Freddie)
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Subject: Re: Auswanderung nach Palestina
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 15:10:42 GMT
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On 23 Nov 1996 14:13:30 GMT, [email protected] (ibokor) wrote:

>d.A. wrote:
>
>Recently a poster to this group suggested that
>Hitler’s *real* plan was to arrange for the
>Jewish population of Germany to migrate to
>Palestine, freely and taking with them all
>their belongings “without let or hindrance”.
>
>A look at the record casts doubts upon this
>suggestion.
>
>
>d.A. then quoted a number of laws/decrees, etc.
>from 1934 which specifically *limit* the
>belongings, personal and private wealth
>emigrating Jews were permit to take with
>themselves.
>
>d.A. then commented:
>
>These suggest that while Jews wishing to emigrate to
>Palestine were given access to the minimum funds
>required to obtain an entry permit for settlement,
>it was not permitted for them or their families
>to take their goods, chattels and personal estates
>with them. As the figures I recently posted indicate,
>if there had been a policy of assisting Jewish emigration
>to Palestine, then the laws, decrees and currency regulations
>and restrictions enacted and/or decreed undermined that
>policy entirely, as the above already show.
>
>
>
>To this “jblackmore” reposnded with:
>
>: Well, I disagree with your assessment. Whether the Jews were
>: encouraged to emigrate to Palestine, Britain, America, or Madagascar,
>: they were not permitted to take goods and chattels with them. This
>: has nothing to do with the fact that the nazis both desired and
>: encouraged the Jews to leave Germany and Europe.
>
>
>d.A. interrupts:

If I may intrude …

>A pity you either did not read or did not comprehend
>my posting. I was replying to he claim that Nazi
>Germany’s plan was to gently induce Jews to emigrate
>and allowed them to take their possessions, personal
>and private property with themselves “without let
>or hindrance”. The restrictions imposed do, in fact,
>constitute “let and hindrance”. It is hardly an encouragement
>to emigrate when one is not permitted to take sufficient
>funds with oneself to ensure obtaining entry visas.
>After all, if memory serves me, the 1930’s is the time
>of the “Great Depression”, when unemployment was extremely
>high for several years throughout the “western world”
>and so severe immigration restrictions were imposed
>in most “western countries”.

And that the “let or hindrance” imposed by Germany was removed when
they emigrated to Palestine to the point where Nazi Germany was paying
the $5000 fee required by Britain to permit it. This was an agreement
with the Zionist movement in Germany and negotiated with them.

>Thus the enactment of the “policy to encourage Jews
>to emigrate” to, say America or Britain, was immediately
>nullified by the regulations introduced which rendered
>most Jews ineligible for immigration.
>
>Perhaps you could attempt to explain how regulations
>which were known to make immigration into the target
>countries almost impossible can be part of the implementation
>of plans and a policy to encourage people to emigrate
>to these countries.

You would have to ask why Chaim Weizmann was party to the agreement
that only lifted those requirements when it was to Palestine.

>: In fact, if
>: more of them had left prior to the outbreak of the war,
>: less of them would have
>: been deported to the east. As it is, less than 25% of France’s Jews were
>: deported, and less than 50% of Hungary’s
>
>If memory serves, there were about 800,000 Hungarian Jews when
>their deportations began in 1944. About 500,000 were deported.
>I would estimate that as being in excess of 60% rather than
>”less than 50%”. If memory serves, over 60% of Hungary’s Jewry
>perished.

A minor point here. An ex-hungarian jewish doctor friend of mine
(who writes my prescriptions based upon my diagnosis from out of
state) was the first to inform me that Hungarian communists were jews.
As he was born after the war,

The only good marxist is a dead marxist, including the Nazis.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:49 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
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Subject: Re: Big brother Mcvay is watching
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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 03:28:55 -0700, [email protected] (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gord
>McFee) wrote:
>
>> In message <3293a24[email protected]> – [email protected]
>> (BB)Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:54:34 GMT writes:
>> :>
>> :> In fact, in addressing a nizkorite we are addressing the synagogue,
>> :>which is presumably a jewish organization.
>>
>> By God, I take it all back. Butthugger Giwer has won after all. At only 50+
>> years of age, he has brilliantly deduced that a synagogue is a Jewish
>> organization. My handlers and I thought oursecret was safe.
>>
>> He’s a flippin’ genius!
>
>I thought the Giwer-Swine _didn’t_ have a job! And now you say he’s good
>at flipping burgers?
>
>
>
>The gonadotoxic Giwer-swine ™ is,

———— BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ————

November 15, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

In it, there is a little segment there for ZGram readers to preview
and
savor. Entitled “The elusive “Nizkor boss” – Ken McVay”, it offers
food
for thought.

Here’s Ernst:

McVay, just what is the big deal?

If people click on “Nizkor”, it takes them straight to their page
where
Deborah Lipstadt, in “Denying the Holocaust”, is quoted, for her part,
as
follows:

“…truth is far more fragile than fiction…reason alone cannot
protect it.=
”

We beg to differ, see? Makes us look good by comparison, doesn’t it?

But no dice!

This response made me think that Ken’s handlers – or the people for
whom he
so diligently performs his shabbes-goy job at Nizkor – were shielding
him
>from me.

=46or my part, I had face-to-face in mind.

This situation says a lot.

I left two messages on the machine, requesting that he or someone
please
call my Toronto Office, where I would pick up my messages. I
mentioned
that I was out West, wanting to meet McVay.

An emergency number was given on that recording, and I took that down
and
looked at it, divining to whom it belonged.

I called the emergency number and got a rather suspicious-sounding
woman on
the line who, it turned out, was Mrs. Goldberg.

I once again stated that, by now, it was an emergency and I wanted to
do an
interview with McVay of Nizkor since I had come all the way across the
continent to do so. Would someone please call back?

No one, of course, called back.

Task not accomplished, I left.

Well. I was flabbergasted! Was the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in
Victoria, B.C. taking messages for Nizkor’s head honcho?

What do you make of this story? These Nizkor folks are allegedly into
spreading “truth” about the Holocaust and fighting Nazi lies etc. I
wonder
why they are hiding – or what they have to fear.

At the Zundelsite, we don’t recruit; we convince. For relentless
Holocaust promotion, contact the midgets in the mailbox at Nizkor. . .
”

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

“You never know where bottom is until you plumb for it.”

(Frederick Laing)

________
________
________ The Zundelsite can be found at
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/

———— END ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ————

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:50 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Freddie)
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Subject: Re: Killfile Giwer
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 10:32:49 GMT
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On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:52:40 GMT, [email protected] (John
Morris) wrote:

>In <32956df2[email protected]>, [email protected] (Nizkor’s handler)
>wrote:
>
>>On 21 Nov 1996 11:12:53 -0500, [email protected] (Michael P.
>>Stein) wrote:
>
>>> Matt was mailbombed on one occasion using a method that made it
>>>impossible to determine who was behind it. According to what he posted
>>>here, he claimed it must have been done by someone with root access at the
>>>site from which the mail originated. He was wrong. I know how anyone
>>>with access to the ‘net could pull the same trick, and again that
>>>information is right out in the open, available to anyone who knows how
>>>and where to look.
>
>> It if fascinating that I never said one word about that publically.
>>How did you know? Sort of makes you the source of it, does it not?
>>Thank you, jew scum. You had to brag didn’t you?
>
>What nonsense! I remember the very public discussion quite clearly. If
>I thought anyone doubted that you are a liar, I would bother to look
>it up in the archive of your posts.

It must be you to lie so well. And if I were you I would not
bother to look it up either as it would incriminate you. After all,
you know how to do it, it happened and I did not make it public.
Therefore it is you, you little mailbombing shit.

You are no better that Grynspam in intention. In practice you are
better as all of his have been traced as he is such an amateur at it.

>Your reason for deciding to attack Michael Stein at all is
>transparent. You have been trying to carry on a discussion with him to
>look as if you are interested in genuine debate, but you are being
>bested at every turn by the obviously superior mind. You have grown
>weary of it and have decided to “do some revisionism” with him.
>
>I would have predicted this outcome, but I did not wish to prejudice
>the exercise: better you should fail all on your own.
>
>You could prove me wrong by apologizing to Michael and by sticking to
>your discussion with him. But you won’t.
>
>Either way, you lose.

Either way, you are the mailbomber and the liar for denying it.
Thank you very much you lying jew mailbomber. That makes two of you
but you are the better one.

So how is Marduk and have you talked to that little shit jew doing
these day? Traded bodily fluids with him lately other shit jew?

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:51 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Freddie)
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Subject: Re: Suchomel and Shoah
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 10:20:56 GMT
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On 23 Nov 1996 18:20:02 -0500, [email protected] (Charles R.L.
Power) wrote:

>[email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
>
>>For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
>>Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein — as furious as they are
>>foolish — in an amusing and pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated
>>offal served up with the flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal
>>sculptor for the service of a sham synagogue-front organization,
>
>Synagogue front? Yog, I’m shocked. All this time I though Nizkor
>was a front for Ken’s gas station.

As you know the only issue was that McVay has had a checkered and
failed career but still has to work. Thus the interest in his gas
station.

But now clearly, as was suspected in April 96 and posted here,
Nizkor is nothing but a front for the synagogue that appears to be
soliciting donations under false pretenses. Those pretense may not be
false in Canada but they would be in the US. The only thing left to
be established is the connection of the US donation site and their
involvement in this apparent scam.

Whatever the laws in Canada, the US organization accepting
donations is doing so in what appears to be clear violation of US law.

Beyond that, there is the clearly deceptive nature of McVay and the
Nizkook Krew that has been denying any such connection for years.
They have all denied being a front for organized jewry. But a
synagogue is quite an example of organized jewry and they front for
the synagogue.

Deception, fraud, solicitation under false pretenses (any or all of
which may or may not be a crime) are all true regarding McVay, the
Nizkooks and the synagogue.

And then we get down to the people involved who have participated
in this sham, the Goldbergs for example. Should these be considered
crimes, they are conspirators in the crimes.

This is going to be interesting should Revenue Canada decide to
investigate.

One would also suspect as there is a US organization accepting
contributions that the IRS will be involved and that US residents
participating in this nizkor adventure will come under IRS scrutiny.

Gee, I a brilliant and I do not even know it. I do not need to
involve Revenue Canada at all. I can start the investigation in the
US with the IRS by simply reporting the deception to the IRS regarding
the US collection side.

It will all go downhill from there, AND I get a fraction of the
recovered taxes. Sounds great to me.

Does anyone see any problems with this?

How many are racing me to write the letter and claim the share of
taxes reward first?

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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
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On 22 Nov 1996 10:09:34 -0800, [email protected] (Troy Varange) wrote:

> Me too. Germans carry an antisemitic gene that sometimes
> erupts into pogroms unless carefully controlled by Jews for
> their own good. God bless the Jews.

Pogrom is a term from the Slavic and generally refers to Tzarist
actions. Beyond that, what is your point?

If you will not be too upset, the germanic countries had no
particular preponderance of anti-semitic actions by frequency of them.
Leaving out the one under discourse here, they were all about the
same.

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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
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Subject: Re: WW II fought to defend Judaism
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:15:43 GMT, [email protected] (Chris Carpenter)
wrote:

> “The Second World War is being fought for the defense of the
>fundamentals of Judaism.”
>
>(Statement by Rabbi Felix Mendlesohn, Chicago Sentinel, October 8,
>1942).

Sounds like this asshole is nizkor material.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:53 PST 1996
Article: 81561 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: ‘These mentally diseased people were taken into the gas chambers’
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 02:09:36 GMT
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On 21 Nov 1996 18:43:08 -0500, [email protected] (Michael P.
Stein) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>>On 20 Nov 1996 16:32:15 -0500, [email protected] (Michael P.
>>Stein) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>>>>On 19 Nov 1996 23:46:09 -0500, [email protected] (Michael P.
>>>>Stein) wrote:
>[refer to prior articles for euthanasia order discussion]
>
>>> Your predictions and assertions about potential future policies in the
>>>US are interesting, but I fail to see how they relate in any way to
>>>the topic of historical revisionism.
>>
>> It rather clearly relates using the euthanasia program as evidence
>>of something evil regarding the people running the program.
>
> The testimony was posted without comment. On what basis do you claim
>it was used as evidence of a claim of “evil?” As someone or other is fond
>of saying, you are very foolish to read what is not there.

And in this same thread is exactly that allegation. It appears the
buggers are intent upon fronting the “evil” explanation by calling it
murder.

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Subject: Re: The discussion has not advanced one bit
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:39:13 GMT
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On 20 Nov 1996 12:13:36 -0500, [email protected] (Michael P.
Stein) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>>On 20 Nov 1996 01:23:55 -0500, [email protected] (Michael P.
>>Stein) wrote:
>>
>>> Notice how in two posts the request changed from “extermination” – no
>>>mention of methods or numbers – to “extermination in the context of
>>>gassing” – to gassing _plus_ shooting _plus_ the number to be shot _plus_
>>>whatever other unspecified details which may be contained in “remotely
>>>like what is claimed to have happened.”
>>
>> Sorry about that, youngster. We are talking about 12 million
>>people in this here holocaust. The number of the gassed is down to
>>around 2-3 million by “official verision” of the story. By
>>subtraction we have 9-10 million in mass graves, uncremated, all over
>>eastern Europe and there is no sign of them.
>
> I thought we were talking about whether the Wannsee protocol contained
>proof of a policy of extermination. Not of how many, or how, just the
>policy.

I was talking facts not inference from a document that was not
implemented. Unless there is an indication that it was implemented
ther is no implication that it was any kind of policy.

And that is not a minor point, government agencies are always
creating plans for things that never happen and are never planned to
happen. If you took DOD seriously the US has plans to invade every
country in the world. With a little effort I could probably did out
some “plan” some place in the government to prove any allegation I
wanted.

Knowing this and having participated in a couple, I know there is
no way to take any document seriously unless there is something more
than its mere existance.

The other indications around it are no greater help. For example,
although (if I remember correctly) it is not classified but of limited
distribution and controlled copies which would have a similar effect.
Without getting so exotic as “wanting to keep extermiantion a secret”
there is a very practical matter that exists in the classification
guidelines of every country I am away of. It gives numbers of people
and the action of moving them. That indication a capability of the
country and would be classified for that reason along, even in a “what
if” document. (And YES, the highest level folks in our government
participate in “what if” exercises as a matter of course, usually in a
good climate with a great golf course.)

For the above reasons and others, I have to withhold judgement on
it until much more is known about it. And as only one copy of it has
been found in an otherwise vacuum, no implementing orders or actions
pursuant to it, it has no clear meaning.

>> That is arithmetic. As you folks will not accept 6 million minus
>>the 3 million at Aushcwitz but sill insist upon 6 million then you
>>have to put the extre 3 million some place. The only place to put
>>them is in the EG and their bullets and mass graves.
>>
>> IF you have a problem with this, please articulate it without
>>personal attack.
>
> Just to start with, you forgot the Soviet POWs who simply froze or
>starved to death due to wilful neglect of their needs. They are the
>largest part of the non-Jewish total. And you still have not figured out
>that a million Jews in Auschwitz plus a million Jews by the EG plus
>approximately 2 million in the Reinhard camps leaves at most two million
>to account for in other locations by other means including freezing to
>death as Soviet POWs (in which case I would agree that they were
>double-counted, once as Jews and once as non-Jewish Soviets), or entirely
>natural causes. And who said they all had to be in eastern europe?

Sir, I have forgotten nothing. I am looking for those 10,000 or so
mass graves that no one has found even the tiniest fraction of. I
have no interest in this thread as to how the number was constructed.
I do have an interest in the lack of physical evidence, the same as
with Wannsee.

You folks can make the most creative estimations as to the number
of angels that can dance on the head of a pin, but I want to see the
angels first and get on to the estimates later.

The Russians sort of officially claim 20 million lost in combat.
They do not count the ablebodied males they found who were given
rifles and pointed towards the Germans. That has to be at least a
million and since only minimally trained most likely all dead. And if
Jews were headed for the Russian lines then ablebodied male Jews were
armed and turned around.

There are so many other known and not “evil” things that happened
that are not being taken into account in this “estimate” that I can
come to no other decision criteria than to ask to see the angels
before I listen to estimates of their number.

> I have said before that the six million figure is not only rounded up,
>it is an oversimplification. Some of those people would have been killed
>if the Nazis started a war but had no special anti-Jewish program. The
>real test is what a statistician would call excess deaths.

And as I have pointed out many times, the more I look for the use
of the numerologically signicant six with six zeros the more I find,
in 1919, 1936 and 1944, (home1.get.net/mgiwer/holt/6holo.html) all
three before there was any official six million and before six million
could have been known by the authors. I am looking for more
references if you have them.

But in the case of these authors, I see “better” “estimates” than
by Hoess.

When I see things like that, I do not see chance in operation, I
see an after the fact contortion of reality to fit the preconception.

> But that is not yet the specific topic, though we may later agree to
>make that the topic since it is part of the larger discussion. Would you
>agree we cannot discuss everything at once, and must start somewhere in
>order to make any sense of matters? So I would like to continue with the
>Wannsee Protocol and what it does or doesn’t prove, if you don’t mind. Or
>if you explicitly declare that you have no further interest in discussing
>the Wannsee Protocol, then we can take up statistics or cremation or
>whatever else you like. But once you start something, stick to it until
>and unless we come to agreement or you explicitly state you have nothing
>more to introduce by way of evidence or argument. Don’t unilaterally
>change topics without notice. Do you have any problem with this?

Things must be taken as a whole in light of knowledge of the
sciences of bureaucracies and always related to physical evidence.
Thus we must see the angels before we debate the numbers. We must see
actions that the Protocol explains rather than a protocol without
actions. Reality does not come piecemeal.

One can not say that a document that has in evidence of ever being
implemented indicates a policy.

If you wish to continue with Wannsee then you will have to address
the issues about it I have raised. I really did not think we had to
start from ground zero as I have raised all of these points many times
before.

> It is a fact that you first asked about how the Wannsee document
>proved _extermination_. It is a fact that you then started saying that it
>does not prove _gassing_ and _shooting_ and numbers shot (which I agree it
>does not). It is a fact that you wandered away from the discussion of
>_extermination_ proof without either agreeing with my point or offering a
>counter-argument. And it is a fact that you do that kind of thing often.

It is a fact that I first pointed out there was no evidence of MASS
GASSING as a plan and that the Wannsee document was offered as proof.
Whatever the conversation may have been later, that is where it
started. However we can go this route forever.

Shall we just get on with the docuement itself? However it came
under discussion has nothing to do with the document.

> How can facts be personal attack?
>
> And what does any of this have to do with your reasons for posting the
>Wannsee document twelve times in eight days?

Shall we leave that to rest for a separate thread?

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:55 PST 1996
Article: 81578 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Freddie)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: The Chuckle Fairy and the poor Jews claimnig Billions of dollars
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 13:11:22 GMT
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It appears the poor Chuckle Fairy, single-handed liberator of
Europe, is caught in his prime directive. He must defend poor Jews
and now is faced with their claiming to have deposited billions in
cash assets as he has no answer.

Reminiscent of Robbie the Robot ordered to shoot a human. All of
his circuits are blowing.

They were poor, they were helpless, they had billions to transfer.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:55 PST 1996
Article: 81583 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Horse’s Mouth
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 22:25:43 GMT
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On 21 Nov 1996 21:40:55 -0500, [email protected] (Michael P.
Stein) wrote:

>>but the fact remains that the jews were far from finished
>>off in Europe or anywhere else for that matter. In fact, Jews
>>seem to have more influence today than at any other time
>>during their long and turbulent history.
>
> The fact that a shooting victim survived does not prove that there was
>no attempted murder.

It certainly would not prove there was attempted murder. In and of
itself it would be neutral to a murder attempt. A murder attempt
would rely upon other factors and “someone tried to murder me” would
not be evidence of an attempt to murder. It would only be cause for
an investigation of the claim, such as looking for physical evidence
of the claim.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:56 PST 1996
Article: 81586 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
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Subject: Re: Auswanderung nach Palestina
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:45:44 GMT
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On 21 Nov 1996 02:03:57 -0500, [email protected] (Michael P.
Stein) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, wrote:
>> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
>[quotations deleted]
>
>>> These suggest that while Jews wishing to emigrate to
>>> Palestine were given access to the minimum funds
>>> required to obtain an entry permit for settlement,
>>> it was not permitted for them or their families
>>> to take their goods, chattels and personal estates
>>> with them. As the figures I recently posted indicate,
>>> if there had been a policy of assisting Jewish emigration
>>> to Palestine, then the laws, decrees and currency regulations
>>> and restrictions enacted and/or decreed undermined that
>>> policy entirely, as the above already show.
>>>
>>> d.A.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>Well, I disagree with your assessment. Whether the Jews were
>>encouraged to emigrate to Palestine, Britain, America, or Madagascar,
>>they were not permitted to take goods and chattels with them. This
>>has nothing to do with the fact that the nazis both desired and
>>encouraged the Jews to leave Germany and Europe.
>
> Instead of just grandly asserting this, why don’t you post some REAL
>FACTS here, as someone whose name escapes me put it recently?
>
> Let me just run this one up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes.
>Do you think it might be possible that if the Nazis had allowed the
>emigrants to keep their property, that
>
> a) More people would have left voluntarily, and
>
> b) Other countries would have been more willing to take them?

Amusinger and amusinger.

Every so often a couple of the buggers bring up the immigration
policies of the countries where they were headed, falsely implying
that the policies were directed towards Jews.

And then I have to point out to them what highschool history should
have taught them at the time, the immigration of most nations at the
time and still today is that the person have a substantial amount of
cash, on the order of several years living expenses with them else
they await the quota system with lesser but still substantial
requirement.

Anyone wish to test this can request to immigrate to another
advanced nation declaring they have no employment prospects and expect
to show up with only personal possessions. If they are polite they
will not laugh.

For example, the British requirement for immigration into Palestine
was that the person have the equivalent 5000 then year dollars in
cash. That being around $75,000 of today’s dollars or about ten years
living expenses in Palestine at the time. That was the cash the
German government was putting up for jews in order to encourage them
to emigrate.

The Government recovered this investment with a barter system with
the emigrant Jews that exchanged produce for German products. It was
Chaim Weizmann in 1936 (?) who defended this Zionist arrangement
before the WJC by demonstrating that it did not result in an increase
in the capital assets of Germany and thus did not violate the boycott.

In the emigration from Germany the Jews were at first the only
people exempt from the exit duties. However as a result of the barter
agreement discussed above Weizmann insisted that the exemption only be
given to Jews if they emigrated to Palestine.

Personal property was never subjected to export duties.

Is there anything else you would like to know?

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:57 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Freddie)
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Subject: The game is called, smear to win
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 12:04:35 GMT
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I have nothing personal here. I have been only one of many who has
been the brunt of a fabricated and mendacious smear campaign by
holobuggers.

The problem is that the primary support of the holobuggers is from
jews and those who would smear people as anti-semites and either nazis
or neo-nazis.

Now I am not one to mince words as you may have noticed. Once a
conflict is engaged, the other side always drew first blood but that
is a matter of the propaganda side of any conflict.

There is the conflict itself and how the conflict is portrayed. As
any conflict will always be portrayed in the most negative light by
the opposition, no matter how minor the conflict it is clear that the
conflict can be escalated to major without a change in the level of
propaganda.

It is noted that, for purposes of the same meaningless propaganda,
that the holobuggers have drawn first blood in their deliberate, McVay
announced, campaign of name calling.

It is futher noted that the right to self defense is never limited
by the means of the attacker.

Therefore it is resolved that as the holobuggers have in fact
succeeded in inciting hatred against revisionists as anti-semites and
neo-nazis or in fact nazis that it is the right of those attacked to
respond by inciting anti-semitism as a minimum. Noting of course that
anti-semitism is not a crime nor is inciting it.

The guidelines for doing so in this case must always be that there
is a “we are doing this because they started attacking us for
exercising our right of free speech.” Thus we are only inspiring
hatred in return for these planned an coordinated actions of which
Nixkor and it hnndling synagogue is but one eggregious example.

For example …

As we know that organized jewry has slandered, maligned, physically
assaulted and attempted the murder of people who question the sacred
holocaust we declare all jews to be of the same ilk unless and until
these want to be murdering jews are turned in to the authorities. And
if any jew is found to be harboring them then they are to be
considered murderers themselves and deserving of the punishment of
murderers should the law decline to prosecute.

The government is not sacred. The government exists to act equally
among all men. Should it choose to act unequally the people retain
the right to enforce equal action. NO powers of the people were ever
delegated to the police and government that permitted unequal action.

Those who disagree may cite the charters as they believe relevant
to the matter.

However, the right to incite anti-semitism in response to
incitement of anti-“red neckism” or however they wish to express it is
a clear and inviolate as a direct means of self defense that can not
be questioned as a right.

As the synagogue has chosen to elevate this conference to world
level status via McVay as the mouthpiece there is no clear reason why
anti-semitism should not be promoted beyond this conference. If
holobuggers are going to incite anti-nazism by claiming people here
are nazis then there is no clear reason why anti-semitism should not
be incited in response.

Fair is fair. The rules of combat are equally applied.

But as the holohuggers work to get anything that can characterize
as an anti-semitic response (and failing that call it anyway) there is
no reason not to equally pervert any holobugger post to incite
anti-buggerism by jews.

Who drew first blood is in the mind of the beholder. The battle
lines are drawn. It is simply a matter of agressively promoting
anti-semitism in response.

What ye sow, so shall ye reap.

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

Blood for blood.

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From: [email protected] (Nizkor’s handler)
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Subject: Re: ‘the motor was then switched on by Gotringer’
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:47:44 GMT
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:52:35 GMT, [email protected] (John
Morris) wrote:

>As to the causes of the deaths at Treblinka, I believe the Court of
>Assizes at Dusseldorf established in 1965 that 750,000 people had died
>of various causes included poison gas, shooting, beatings, and other
>mistreatment.

All in those five little buildings?

And where are the 2000 tons (3500 cubic yards) of bone fragments if
they were burned to crematory standards? And of course more if not to
those standards.

You do not have crime without evidence. We all know the above
evidence has never been found.

Perhaps you would some day like to post the physical evidence the
court considered? You know, the forensic evidence of gassing and
shooting and beating and the like.

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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
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Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism — Gate.Net Refuses to Help
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On 23 Nov 1996 06:57:31 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Fergus McClelland) writes:
>> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>
>> Yale F. Edeiken
>> > I suggest you check the nizkor files in which a clear attempt at
>> >extortion was made.
>
>> Comparison to your suggestion.
>> I hit you, and you call your family as judge and jury.
>
> The text of the criminal Giwer’s extortion attempt was printed there.

YFE is a lying jew.

>> Also, I think that the idea of my looking for unbiased truth in the
>> records of a murky “front” organisation for a synagogue, which hasn’t
>> even got offices that can be visited would be unwise.
>
>
> What you were asked to look at was the text of the criminal Giwer’s
>attempted extortion.

YFE is a lying jew.

>> As others have said so correctly, Mr Giwer requested strongly that
>> Nizcor remove his postings from their files for a specific reason.
>
> No he did not “request,” he made a specific demand.

YFE is a lying jew.

>> He therefore felt that what they were doing was unreasonable. With his
>> request he talked about “unspecified” action being taken against
>> Nizcor if they did not comply.
>
> No he referred to unspecified penalties.

YFE is a lying jew.

>> There is surely no way that any real court would consider that to be
>> extortion. If you are a lawyer you are aware of this.
>
> You are 100% wrong. There opposite is, in fact, true. There is no
>court that would *not* consider this extortion especially when the criminal Giwer
>stated he was *not* referring to legal action and followed it up with an actual
>attempt to disrupt Nizkor service with a mailbomb.

etc. etc. etc. a lying jew to the end.

Fucking alcoholic.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:21:59 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
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Subject: Re: “Umfallen” and deliberate mistranslation
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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:23:11 +0000, Dene Bebbington
wrote:

>BB wrote:
>>On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:47:59 -0500, [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy)
>>wrote:
>>>Thus, DThomas, your request that we “focus on issues, not individuals,”
>>>must be rejected. I claim that both are important.
>>
>> Ad hominem was identified as a logical fallacy over two thousand
>>years ago.
>>
>>>–
>>> Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
>>> [email protected] Co-Webmaster of https://nizkor.org/
>>
>> The URL, the mail drop and the Synagogue phone number. Such
>>honesty. Such integrity.
>
>Huh. Mr Giwer so kindly tells us that the ad hominem logical fallacy is
>nearly as old as the hills, yet he still continues to utter fallacious
>statements. Obviously Giwer has not heeded the sage advice that once
>you’ve got yourself stuck in a hole it is better to stop digging.

Unless you think that it coming from a syangogue makes it
inherently true or false, you obviously do not understand what ad
hominem means.

It is not a fallacy that the synagogue owns the Nizkor phone
numbers and screens McVay’s phonecalls.

For you that should be an indicator of truth.

I am simply pointing out the lies the Nizkooks have been telling
about its independence.

If you have no problem with such deceptions, then why are you
commenting upon what I added?

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:22:00 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
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Subject: Re: ‘the motor was then switched on by Gotringer’
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 22:45:05 GMT
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On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 04:35:18 GMT, [email protected] (John
Morris) wrote:

>In <32950e1a[email protected]>, [email protected] (Nizkor’s handler)
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:33:30 -0700, [email protected] (Mark Van
>>Alstine) wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>>Specifically, Frau”lien Schwarzesel puts forward a strawman argument in
>>>regard to the Soviet Extraordinary Commission’s findings to poison the
>>>Polish Extraordinary Commission’s findings by guilt from association. This
>>>all the while never offering any germane evidence to the issue for her
>>>allegations against the Soviet Extraordinary Commission as it relates to
>>>Polish Extraordinary Commission’s findings. To top it all off Frau”lien
>>>Schwarzesel then asks the reader to defer to her ersatz authority on the
>>>matter!
>
>> It appears you are under some miseducation when you fail to know
>>that after the war Russia installed a puppet communist government in
>>Poland that did not collapse neary 45 years.
>
>Boy, you get dumber by the post (or is that *as* a post).
>
>The Russians did indeed install a communist government in Poland after
>the war–in 1947. 1947 *is* after the war. Unfortunately for your
>argument, the Polish Extraordinary Commission published its findings
>in 1945.

And just who was in charge of Poland betwen 1945 and 1947? Did
they not cover that in your history class? Hint: It was governed
first by the liberating army and then by a body appointed by Russia.
As an exercise for the student, name that body.

>The communist government of Poland did not as you assert “collapse
>neary 45 years,” but after about 43 years.

The governing body acted as the government with the consent of the
occupyin forces that remained in Poland from liberation until around
1990. Russia declared poverty towards the end which delayed their
final departure for over a year.

>> You want to read of a connection when your education should have
>>included the knowledge that there was control of Poland. I find you
>>very strange, or educated in a public school.
>
>I find you very strange and obviously not educated at all.

And you truly believe Poland was without any government at all for
two years. I find that truly amazing. Now who was in charge and who
appointed the polish commission?

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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
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On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:36:35 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>
># Giwer does not understand that he does not tell me,
># or anyone else what to do.
>
>It’s this crazy frustration which is driving poor Giwer
>up the wall. The man actually claims to be a genius; he
>obviously thinks he is one. Yet he can’t find a bleeding
>job; he’s been unemployed since he was 46-years-old (5
>years ago), a fact which he never forgets to mention, for
>some reason (as if it is a great achievement).

There were so could have done with those hours you gave to the
synagogue but they are gone forever. But it was the fault of the
revisionists for taking all of those hows away that could have gotten
you the job you wanted in the field you wanted.

You must always measure yourself against the accomplishments of
others. Rather than strive for even your own wants, you must cut them
down, spiting your own wants and in doing so denegrating yourself.

Yet you pretend that you could retire at 46 also, after all, it is
no great achievement, yet you know you are wet behind the ears and
still lying to yourself.

>I used to play chess. Giwer reminds me of these crazies who
>cannot play a decent game, yet are absolutely convinced
>that they can beat the world champion, if given a chance
>(and, of course, there’s always this big conspiracy against
>them, ya know).

Rather you remind me of those who lost by mate in ten and kept
saying, “I can do that,” and demanding boring rematch after boring
rematch. And in their interminable games with each other they wasted
the time that could have been spent upon what mattered.

>Or like those folks who hardly know high-school math, and
>claim they solved some famous open mathematical problem.
>And, of course, there’s always this big conspiracy against
>them…

Or those with the PhD who can not get the job they want in the
field they want. And all because of the hours foever lost on other
things.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:22:02 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Freddie)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Goebbels Talks About the Jews, II
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 11:17:07 GMT
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On 23 Nov 1996 23:29:43 -0500, [email protected] CHRIST
SODOMIZER writing as (Michael P. Stein) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>>On 21 Nov 1996 01:06:37 -0500, [email protected] (Michael P.
>>Stein) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>, wrote:
>>>>And? What is this supposed to prove even if it is accurate?
>>>
>>> Remember, according to revisionist theory, all the Nazis were trying
>>>to do was resettle the Jews in Russia, not kill them. So where does the
>>>speaker get off using words like “destruction?”
>>
>> Now just who said that? The only thing I have heard is that IF the
>>Wannsee document is true then the objective was to settle them EAST of
>>Russia. Why do you not get the story straight?
>
> EAST of Russia? In Japan? Where in the Wannsee Protocol do you find
>that?

Public school education strikes again. Siberia is part of Imperial
Russia and not part of Russia proper. Yes, even today, Russia is
still an empire in its control of Siberia. But then, everyone but
public school types know that.

> Actually, I should have said “the occupied Soviet Union” rather than
>”Russia” – technically, they were (supposedly) looking at areas of
>non-Russian SSRs.
>
> But I think I have the story much straighter than you do.

Rather you were educated in a public school and it shows.

>> I guess you would claim that even if Goebbels was writing accurately,
>>>all it proves is that this Fuehrer fellow – whoever he was – had no idea
>>>what official Nazi policy towards the Jews was. I mean, it’s not like
>>>Goebbels heard this bit about destruction from anyone who was of any real
>>>importance or had any knowledge of what official government policy might
>>>be….
>>
>> 1) That was his testimony and official statement on the matter.
>
> Buzzer there. That was not his testimony. That was his personal
>diary. Get it right or don’t bother.

Your alternative of what is correct please? Sorry, but an attack
is not an answer. But then you are a silly shit holobugger.

>> 2) No evidence was introduced at Nuremberg that contradicted his
>>testimony showing that he did know about any such thing.
>
> Let’s see, you are suggesting he told the truth at Nuremberg – where
>his life was on the line – and wrote incriminating lies into his personal
>diary, lies contradicting what his own ministry was putting out?

It is only a holobugger that would consider a not guilty plea to be
proof of guilt. And the statement stand, no evidence of his knowledge
of untruth was introduced. But excuse me, hold the Secretary of
Defense responsible for knowing every word the Navy Mine Warfare
Office is putting out some time and see what embarassed suppressed
laughter you get.

Or maybe they will be honest and just laugh in your face.

This holocaust thing of yours was a pimple on the ass of WW II.
Anyone spending excess time on it vice the war should have been shot
for derelection of duty. To expect the man on top to know everything
is ludicrous. To expect him to know pimple details is laughable.

The loss of all Jews in the world would be no greater than the loss
of all Chistians, Muslims, or of the worshippers of any pantheon such
as the Greek, Roman, or Hindu. It would have no impact whatsoever.

The world would lose nothing for the loss of such an insignificant
contribution of the jews.

However, freedom of religion does allow one to have religious
tenants against other religions and to be protected against any form
of government selection based upon those beliefs. If you have a
problem with that, take it up with the constitution.

And without government involvement, which is prohibited at least in
the US and in the UN Declaration of Rights, it is mano a mano in all
debates.

It is clearly a matter of who can rally the greatest public
opinion.

And since holobuggers insist upon raising nazism a their main
offense then the other side incurs no blame in stirring up equally
virulent anti-semitism in response. A challenge is an a challenge.
An attack is an attack. A response is a response.

> He may not have known the details. But in his personal diary, not
>subject to any torturers, he recorded that those not able to work would
>have to be liquidated. That contradicts revisionist claims that
>resettlement was the policy. Sorry about that.

Sorry about that the the WANNSEE document makes the claim that the
policy was resettlement. Beyond that, the diaries were provided by
the completely and totally honest, never tell a lie, Russian, Jewish,
Communists. That is called tainted evidence.

>> So what is your point in this? That the communists produced
>>witnesses? They were very good at that.
>
> When you understand what is being discussed you are welcome to join in
>the discussion. But offering irrelevant comments based on total ignorance
>of the nature of the evidence being discussed is a waste of everyone’s
>time.
>
> Unless, of course, your goal is to obfuscate and confuse. Then your
>strategy makes sense.

When you are willing to tell the truth, join the fray.

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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Treblinka
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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:21:31 GMT, [email protected] (John
Morris) wrote:

>In <[email protected]>, Jean-Francois Beaulieu wrote:
>
>[re: an amazing caalculation to prove that there would not be room in
>the Treblinka mass graves for all the bodies if they had not been
>cremated]
>
>> Can anyone explain to this ‘Phd’ in mathematic the notion of
>> empty space between solids?
>
>Can anyone explain to this benighted fool that the bodies of the
>victims of Treblinka were cremated?
>
>> Can anyone explain him that in a cube of
>> 2 meter by 2 meter by 2 meter we can put 8,000 kg of water but
>> not 100 people of 80 kg? Can anyone?
>
>Can anyone explain to him that his idiot speculations are irrelevant?

Can you do the calculations yourself? I get 3500 cubic yards
weighing 2000 tons. What do you get?

This of course counts only bone ashes to modern crematory
standards. It does not count the ash from the wood.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:22:04 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Has Another Wacko Legal Theory
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On 23 Nov 1996 07:26:50 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> the Criminal Giwer writes:
>> On 19 Nov 1996 16:43:22 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>> > Another crazed legal theory. Privacy is a right. The Restatement of
>> >Torts (2d) specifically recognizes the forgeries of the criminal Giwer as the
>violation
>> >of such a right. Reputation is a right. The entire law of defamation is based on
>> >that right.
>
>> But as you know unless you do not remember due to your third bottle
>> of Mogen David, you initiated the email exchanges, all of them.
>
> What I remember is noting, after another unsolicted e-mail from
>you, was that you cease sending me e-mail. You responded with a lie, i.e. that
>Grynspan was forging your e-mail. When both netcom and I found that it was you,
>you responded with criminal harassment and, to ice the cake decided to to send
>one last bit of your vomitous garbage.
>
>
>> No report Giwer you besotted lying jew.
>
> I have. To GTE. Start looking for another ISP.

Make the allegations when drunk, decide not to report the crimes in
the morning when hungover.

So what else is new?

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From: [email protected] (Freddie)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Treblinka
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 12:29:15 GMT
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On 23 Nov 1996 03:11:05 GMT, Jean-Francois Beaulieu
wrote:

>
>Daniel Keren wrote:
>
># I’d say that 45 meters of depth is
># really a generous estimation.
>
>>I’d say that, like the other “revisionists” here (Moran,
>>Giwer, etc), you simply cannot handle third-grade
>>arithmetic.
>
>>Assume an average weight of 40 Kg per corpse (this may
>>well be an overestimate, accounting for the infants and
>>children among the victims). This gives
>
>>800,000*40 Kg = 32,000 tons.
>
>>Assuming the density to be about as that of water
>>(and I understand the density of humans to be rather
>>close to that of water), the 32,000 tons translate
>>to 32,000 cubic meters.
>
>>Over the area you gave – 5,000 sq. meters – this results
>>in an average depth of 32,000/5,000 = 6.4 meters.
>
>>I would add some for uneven packing etc, so make it
>>7-8 meters or so.
>
>>Your figure is absurd; you cannot handle basic arithmetic.
>>But have no fear – you can still be a “leading revisionist”.
>
>
> Can anyone explain to this ‘Phd’ in mathematic the notion of
> empty space between solids? Can anyone explain him that in a cube of
> 2 meter by 2 meter by 2 meter we can put 8,000 kg of water but
> not 100 people of 80 kg? Can anyone?
> I will not say that you are unskill when you try to be dishonest
> Dan. I suspect rather that you are a secret member of the NSWPP
> who have infiltrate Nizkor for sabotage activities.

This person wasted too much time fighting revisionism to get the
recommendations he needed for the position he wanted. He hates
revisionists for “forcing him” to waste his time. He can not admit
that the synagogue suckered him into wasting his time.

And even if he could do that, he can not admit that it was his
choice.

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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
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Subject: Re: H.G. Wells on Jewish ancestry
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:58:37 GMT, [email protected] (Chris Carpenter)
wrote:

> “It is highly probable that the bulk of the Jew’s ancestors
>’never’ lived in Palestine ‘at all,’ which witnesses the power of
>historical assertion over fact.”
>
> (H. G. Wells, The Outline of History).

It is only the immature like Sara Purrrrfect (catty) who still
believe such nonsense in this say and age. In Wells’ time the obvious
tools to establish they never were, period, were in their infancy.
Today they are so mature that no one over age 25 has an excuse for not
seeing they never were as obvious.

There is similarly no excuse for anyone over 25 believing in the
holocaust.

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On 22 Nov 1996 17:11:05 GMT, [email protected] (william c
anderson) wrote:

>Michael Gosselin ([email protected]) wrote:
>: What I can’t seem to understand is why people think the holocost didn’t
>: happen.
>
>Most deniers don’t think the Holocaust didn’t happen–they lie about
>it in order to advance a political agenda.
>
>A few of them are flat crazy, like Matt Giwer, and some of them are
>fools, like Tom Moran; but most of them are just clumsy propagandists.

The amount of ashes

The amount of cremated remains to be
found

The following questions and
answers come from the Internet Cremation
Society FAQ.

Dec. 26, 1995

Q. What’s left after a body is cremated? It’s
ash, but what size are the pieces? Are they fine, like dust, or
larger? Can you still see pieces of bone or teeth?

The above says 5-7 pounds so
lets keep it on the low side 5 pounds.

With 1,200,000 cremations at
Auschwitz equaling 3000 tons of bone fragments.

Feb. 7, 1996

Q. Do you have standard requirements for an urn?
Someone has asked me to design and fabricate two urns for he and
his wife. I have no idea where to start.Do you have design
specifications?

Here we have the volume of this
mass of bone fragments.

The question the honest person
has to ask is why such a huge volume of material can not be found
and the answer is obvious that no one has looked.

To compound the problem these are not the only missing ashes.

But wait.
It gets worse.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:22:07 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Freddie)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.general,soc.culture.canada,alt.crime,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: ACUMEN TRIES AGAIN TO FUCK UP A NEWSGROUP
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 13:32:42 GMT
Organization: The Synagogue of kosher Pizza
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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:46:54 GMT, [email protected] (Tim
Brown) wrote:

> writes:
>
>>Southam News in Canada reports today, Saturday November 23 1996, in its’
>>newspapers agross Canada that the Jews are again trying to close down the
>>ZUNDELSITE on WWW.
>
>Acumen is actually William Grosvenor, who has already fucked up
>soc.culture.singapore with his Nazi-style wackoism.

Can you prove this or are you simply another lying, libeling
holobugger? Of course you an not prove it, so you are a buggering
holocaust lover. What else is new?

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:22:08 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Freddie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.history,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,harvard.general,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Prestigious Rotgut
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 13:28:09 GMT
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On 23 Nov 1996 12:45:44 -0800, [email protected] (Troy Varange) wrote:

>The “Harvard Law Library’s ‘Guide to Hate Groups on the Internet'” is
>presently developing into another murky story, and I am mentioning it in
>this morning’s ZGram simply to establish yet another crumb trail that
>people may find interesting to follow.
>
>Here’s what I know, which is not the entire picture:
>
>Four or five weeks ago, somebody alerted me to the existence of a “Who’s
>Who in Hate” web page, and I checked it out in a cursory fashion, a bit
>amazed that a prestigious university like Harvard would lend itself to
>something that amateurish and clearly libelous. The web page was still
>under construction, and it was simply this:
>
>One side lined up the “hate groups” – ranging all the way from really
>unpleasant skinhead type pages to sterling Christian/Patriot pages.
>
>The other side, supposedly “combatting hate”, showed a continuum from
>truly vile and vicious groups – such as the Anti-Racist Action groups – to
>the traditional Agony Aunts such as Nizkor.
>
>The Zundelsite was listed somewhere in the middle, under “Revisionists”. I
>thought that was okay. I reasoned that whoever had spawned this website
>didn’t know a thing from Adam when it came to the nature of the ideological
>polarizing that is now taking place world-wide.
>
>I also thought with a rather smug smile to myself that sooner or later,
>this thing would cause problems for Harvard for any number of delicate
>reasons, which would take our cause straight into academia – and that, if
>Harvard knew what we think Harvard knows, it would clamp down on this stuff
>pretty fast.
>
>Well, it was sooner rather than later.
>
>A few days ago, when I mentioned this website in a ZGram, I received a
>letter from “the editors” – no names given – informing me that the website
>was no longer associated with Harvard and was now an independent,
>non-profit enterprise, retitled “HateWatch”.

Except for a few minor details. The creation of the “separate”
organization is a sham that I can pierce in an instant as can anyone
>from Yale law school which at least the Clintons had the sense to
attend.

Non-profit status is granted only by the IRS and does not occur
this quickly so that is clearly a lie by HLS.

Harvard and Harvard Law School are clearly still behind this
activity as it was done on Harvard time and equipment and thus is the
work for hire, the intellectual property of Harvard and HLS. Thus
there must be a paper trail with dates of the formal transfer of this
intellectual property from Harvard to this organization that has maybe
or maybe not appllied for non-profit status to the IRS.

Without the paperwork supporting that transfer it is still a
product and an activity of Harvard and HLS. But we all know that.

Even HLS has joined in being scum of the early lying holobuggers.

And of course HLS has the studen resources to pursue this if they
consider I have said anything improper.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:22:09 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Freddie)
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Subject: Re: Prestigious Rotgut
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 13:30:36 GMT
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On 23 Nov 1996 12:45:44 -0800, [email protected] (Troy Varange) wrote:

And these folks even provide false information to internic and
false return addresses in the rare event they decide to respond but
these email addresses are of other real people and organizations.
HLS, thy name is internet abuse.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:22:10 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Freddie)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history,alt.bonehead.matt-giwer
Subject: Re: Twelve Questions Matt Giwer won’t Answer (Month 11)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 15:22:15 GMT
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On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 00:48:33 +0000, Dene Bebbington
wrote:

>Nizkor’s handler wrote:
>>On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:58:45 +0000, Dene Bebbington
>> wrote:
>>
>>>BB wrote:
>>>>On 20 Nov 1996 10:00:47 GMT, [email protected] (Fatbroad!
>>>>(OFB)) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Archive/File: people/g/giwer.matt/giwer-10q
>>>>>Last-Modified: 1996/09/26
>>>>>
>>>>>”He who makes a claim bears the responsibility
>>>>> of supporting it.” (Matt Giwer)
>>>>>
>>>>>Question 1 [February 1996]
>>>>>————————–
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Excuse me, maam or sir as the case may be, these quesitons
>>>>originate from a synagogue that has denied it has anything to do with
>>>>nizkor while soliciting contributions.
>>>>
>>>> When the synagogue decides to be honest enough, i.e. to stop being
>>>>lying jews, then I will consider answering these questions.
>>>
>>>Translation: Giwer has no intention of answering the questions, but has
>>>come up with something that he thinks absolves him of the need to
>>>substantiate his wild assertions.
>>
>> Translation, despite the statements and assertions of others to the
>>contrary, Nizkor is a front for a synagogue and its supporters are
>>shills. And it appears likely they are all involved in a charity scam
>>but that will be up to Revenue Canada to decide when they get the
>>information.
>
>Further translation from Giwerbabble: I still won’t answer the questions
>as per usual, but hey, I reckon I can deflect attention from these
>awkward questions by making accusations about supposed charity fraud.

It is good to see we agree that the synagogue screens McVay’s phone
calls and runs the operation as a whole. It was a good try as long as
it ran but it wa transparent from the start.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:22:11 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Freddie)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ‘The tins were filled to the brim with blue granules’
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 12:31:31 GMT
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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 02:44:24 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal
OBE) wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:12:18 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor’s handler)
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey, you goy shill for a synagogue, when do you get some pride in
>>yourself?
>
>The foul Flibbertigibbet is speaking! Pay attention folks!
>
>Farewell, sour annoy!
>
>
>>
>
>Be sure to visit the great besotted one’s web sites!

Excuse it Mazal but Nizkor is a sham front for a synagogue
soliciting contributions without full disclosure and with denial of
the facts. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the
synagogue.

>>=====
>>http://www.alqud.org:80/www/zundelism/zundelismsm.html The Dark Web
>>Pages of Ziondel
>>http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/englesh/welcome.html Zionsite
>>http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the lite, bud-lite.org.
>>http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpulling/ Student Revisionist Resorce Site
>>http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphij/ Revisionarse Productions
>>http://home1.gte.net/mgomer/index.html Reflections üpon the Holocaust
>>http://flashback.se/~riscibility/ Radio Islam
>>http://www.webcom.com/eziondel/english/LICKER/lickertort.html The Licker.Lie
>>http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Höffman Rapport
>>http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgrog/ Greg Raving’s Grogsite
>>http://www.kodok.com/irving/shmirving.html David Irving
>>http://www.kodok.com/ Committee for Open Defacation on the KKK (Bradley Smith)
>>http://www.pixi.com/~befool/ benighted/ bewildered/ Be Wise as Scorpions
>>http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html L’Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et
>>d’Holocauste (also in Englash)
>>http://pubweb.acns.nyu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz
>>http://www.air-photo.cum/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
>>http://www.adam.com.aux/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute
>
>
>
>Harry W. Mazal OBE
>
>Nizkor (USA) An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
>Over 1000 Megs of data: https://nizkor.org
>Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
>Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction – permanently!)

From g[email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:22:12 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (BB)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ‘I only gassed them’
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:42:03 GMT
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:34:29 GMT, [email protected] (John
Morris) wrote:

>In <[email protected]>, Matt Giwer
>posting as [email protected] (BB) wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 07:05:50 GMT, [email protected] (John
>>Morris) wrote:
>
>>>In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>>> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>>>> Erich Gnewuch testifies about gassings in Nazi-occupied USSR, 1942-3
>>>>> [Quoted in “Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the
>>>>> Use of Poison Gas”, edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and
>>>>> A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, p. 57-9]
>>>>> ———————————————————————-
>
>>>[snip]
>
>>>>When and where did this man give this testimony and before whom?
>
>
>>>You have the reference. Look it up.
>
>> The gentleman either has the original material or he does not. He
>>can post it if he has it. If not, he can shut up.
>
>> But you also obviously have the material as you have posted as
>>though you KNOW it contains the answers to ALL the questions, not just
>>the one you chose not to delete.
>
>> So YOU post the answers as you have the document and you know it
>>has ALL the answers.
>
>Translation: I don’t actually have anything to say, but that doesn’t
>matter because “doing” revisionism is simply a matter of shooting my
>mouth off.

A sillly game by a wannabe mind reader. You are standing by the
reference and its contents. You therefore have the reference and know
its contents. Please post.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:22:12 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Nizkor’s handler)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ‘The gas chambers were closed for about thirty minutes’
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:35:40 GMT
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:32:26 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>[email protected] writes:
>
>## [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>## Testimony of SS Oberscharfuehrer Heinrich Matthes about Treblinka
>
>[…]
>
># So Mr. Keren’s latest ploy is to convict the Germans with
># their own “testimony”
>
>Mr. “blackmore’s” latest ploy is to claim that each and every
>person who was in the death camps is lying, and that he – who
>was never in them – knows the truth.
>
>He’s a really desperate Nazi apologist.

And you are a apologist for jews working for a synagogue. Have you
no shame?

># which is as incredible as all the other eyewitness “testimony”
># I have examined over the past few months.
>
>Nothing is “incredible” about them.

Not to some one dumb enough to believe he can hold a conversation
with race car drivers as they race around the track. And someone
truly dumb enough to attempt to lie about it and think he would be
believed. You must have been ordered to make that lie by the
synagogue.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:22:13 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 04:25:39 GMT
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:52:10 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>Greg Raven writes:
>
># By Robert Faurisson
>
>Yep folks, we have our resident “leading revisionist”
>and Hitler-admirer, Greg Raven (see end of post), quoting
>another “leading revisionist”, the senile liar Robert
>Faurisson.
>
>With regard to a testimony from Auschwitz about burning
>some people alive, Faurisson writes:
>
># Today there is no longer a single historian who
># believes that Jews were burned alive.
>
>I have asked, numerous times, for a documentation
>of this claim; it was never supplied. The Nazis
>obviously did burn people alive in some other camps;
>see, for instance, the photographs in the web page
>
>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images
>Thekla1.jpg, Thekla2.jpg, Thekla3.jpg

And here you try so desparately for the approval of others. You
can’t retreat from any claim as you feel inside that would make you
sound like a revisionist and then you would be like the names you
call. And then all of your friends would hate you as you hate others
for the approval of those you think are your friends.

But you are never sure they are your friends so you hate all the
more to assure the approval you can never be sure of.

But you need that approval. And you fear the need for that
approval is all you are. So you strive all the harder to hate to
reach an end of it so you will know.

But there is no end to your hatred as you know you can never be
certain of the approval of your hatred.

The saddest part is that you let yourself be manipulated by those
who give a little approval and then withdraw it to make you try harder
next time. And they do it again and again and again to you.

“Nice contribution but if you really hated them you would work as
hard as we do.” They all spend more time than you do.

And look what has happened. You have a compulsive attitude towards
what others think of you, so you must have a job, a high paying job.
But look what happened because of McVay. You spent so much time
seeking his approval that you slacked off on your degree work and did
not get the job you really wanted. You are not even in the field you
really wanted.

And can McVay fix that? Is he really approving of what you
sacrificed for him? Why does he always appear to want more?

Are you going to get the approval of the masses from making McVay
look good? Do you really think the synagogue is going to share any
future honors with you?

Nizkor, the synagogue, even McVay get all the credit and you lose
the job and even the work field you really wanted. You think about
yourself, you look at yourself in the mirror, and you do not see the
person you wanted to be, you do not see the career you wanted, you
think of all the lost hours trying to make someone else happy at your
own expense.

And you think of all you lost and know there will never be any
reward. You have been noble, you have been self-sacrificing and you
know that you are lying to yourself when you tell yourself your reward
will come.

>and read the corresponding text in “Inside the Vicious
>Heart” (from which the photos were scanned).

And you have even been used to do the pirating so that the
synagogue and nizkor can blame you for doing it, claiming they did not
know you stole them.

>-Danny Keren.

In a different life I could feel for you, Danny, but not in this
one. You have chosen a master hoping the master will give you the
public honor you crave so dearly.

You believe your master will one day step aside and let the crowds
applaud you even though in your heart you know that will never happen.

Yet what you fear is true, you are the person who will do the
bidding of others solely in hopes of what you know will never come.

Yes, you are truly afraid to be yourself. You know that if you are
yourself your friends will cease to like you. And you know that if
you are not yourself you can never be satisfied.

You know there is nothing to do as you value and despise your image
to yourself. And you fear that others will see it.

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Subject: Re: 961115: The Tale of the City of Nanaimo.
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 01:06:14 GMT
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On 20 Nov 1996 19:02:46 -0000, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:

>—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—–
>
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>>On 19 Nov 1996 01:52:02 -0500, [email protected] (Michael P.
>>Stein) wrote:
>>> I have a fifty dollar bill in my pocket right now.
>> Indeterminate, of course, as is your existance as a real handle.
>
> What, can’t you use REASON ALONE? A little thing like evidence needed?
>My, my – Matt’s just proved the point being made to him.

Then you do not understand the point he thinks he is making. No
matter WHAT the answer there is no way to verify that he is replying
truthfully. Thus his answer is no more verifiable than his existence.

>>> Truth or fiction? Reason ALONE – no peeking in my pocket for physical
>>>evidence!
>>>
>>> I’m waiting.
>> You will wait forever as with Schroedinger’s Cat, many, in fact
>>all, reality states are indeterminate. But of course you know that.
>
> Schroedinger’s Cat refers to the state of said cat BEFORE it is
>observed – it does not say that all reality states are indeterminate. Once
>you see the cat, you can claim to have observed it in state X. That is a
>statement about a state of reality. But of course you know that.
>
>> You obviously understand little about reason.
>
> ROTFL!!!

Then take the opportunity to explain it. If your purpose is only
ridicule there must be some group where that is on topic.

>> Excuse me. We have Nizkor as a front for a synagogue AFTER
>>vociferous denials of same. It is a friggin mail drop and source of
>>fraudulent solicitations for the synagogue under the rules of Revenue
>>Canada. Is that too hard for you to understand.?
>
> Will you be making these allegations to Revenue Canada?

If you will be so kind as to send me their address I will make the
information known to them. Down this way, the organization answering
the phone weighs heavily in the determination of ownership.

> They will, of course, require evidence. REASON ALONE cannot prove or
>disprove the charges.

> I seem to remember you saying: “He who makes a claim bears the
>responsibility of supporting it.”

And it appears here that you are arguing that without the physical
evidence of gassing it is all stories that can not be determined.

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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 05:02:03 GMT, [email protected] (John
Morris) wrote:

>In <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Nizkor’s
>handler) wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:29:51 GMT, [email protected] (John
>>Morris) wrote:
>>
>>>In <3[email protected]>, [email protected] (Nizkor’s
>>>handler) wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 07:36:39 GMT, [email protected] (John
>>>>Morris) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>>>>>> Testimony of SS Oberscharfuehrer Erich Bauer
>>>>>>> [Quoted in “BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA – the Operation Reinhard
>>>>>>> Death Camps”, Indiana University Press – Yitzhak Arad, 1987, p. 77]
>>>>>>> —————————————————————-
>>>
>>>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>>>>Of course you have proof to support this man’s story, other
>>>>>>than more “eyewitness” testimonies?
>>>
>>>>>How about this:
>>>
>>>>> In the area where the gas chambers were supposed to have been
>>>>> located, the commission’s team of 30 excavation workers reportedly
>>>>> found “human remains, partially in the process of decay,” and an
>>>>> unspecified amount of ash. Untouched sandy soil was reached at 7.5
>>>>> meters, at which point the digging was halted. An accompanying
>>>>> photograph of an excavated pit reveals some large bones.
>>>
>>>> 50 down and 9,999,950 to go. Any thing else?
>>>
>>>Yes. Please tell me how you arrived at the number fifty.
>>>
>>>”Anything” is a compound pronoun. Always has been.
>
>> Are you not the clever one. The number, just an estimate based
>>upon the few fragments that Keren delights were supposed to have been
>>found.
>
>Then you have committed the fallacy of hasty generalization in that
>the sample size is too small to support your conclusion. Danny’s posts
>do not represent a claim of the total number killed. But you knew that
>(well, I would like to think you did).

Keren’s spam of a single post, represent such a trivial finding as
to make a joke of the claim that it represents what was being tested
for. (There is something else upon which to demonstrate your grammatic
mastery.)

>An interrogative sentence takes a question mark, by the way.

Dr. Doolittle, I presume./? “Are not you the clever one.” is in
the same category. Grammatical variances reflecting inflections
aside, is there anything you would like to address?

>>>>> Poland’s “Central Commission for Investigation of German Crimes”
>>>>> reported that “large quantities of ashes mixed with sand, among
>>>>> which are numerous human bones, often with the remains of
>>>>> decomposing tissues,” were found in the five acre (two hectare)
>>>>> burial area during an examination of the site shortly after the end
>>>>> of the war.
>
>>>> Ah, but the cremation remains were only crushed to one cm in size.
>
>>>Not at Treblinka. There is no way for you to have known that since, as
>>>a matter of pride, you know nothing.
>
>> As there was no crushing reported the volume taken will be greater
>>than much greater than 3500 cubic yards. If only to A-B standards
>>then not too much greater then 3500 cubic yards.
>
>And your point is?
>
>Consider the size of the grave site. The quote gives the size as two
>hectares to a depth of seven and a half meters. Now I happen to know
>that the forensic team also noted that the first two meters of soil
>contained no human remains, so we are talking about a somewhat smaller
>volume than might at first be thought.
>
>Potentially, the size of the hole for the graves is 110,000 cubic
>meters. Taking a chance that your figure for the volume of cremated
>remains is accurate, your 3500 cubic yards

Calculations appended.

(somewhat less than 3500
>cubic meters) would fill about three per cent of the volume of the
>hole. You add three percent to the existing soil and hardly notice it.
>
>Is any of this starting to sound familiar, Mr. Fishy-fish?

Must you pretend to be less obnoxious than you really are?

These pits and burials are reported to have been in the SE corner
of the camp. Looking at the May 15, 1944 aerial photo, I see only one
patch of disturbed land in the entire camp. That patch is in the SE
corner. Referring to the scale, this patch is about 25 by 75 meters.
That is 18,875 sq m. With 3500 cubic meters, that is 1.8 meters of
human ash (not counting the railroad tie ash) per square meter.

At 7,5 meters depth, that would make the sample in this area about
25% bone ash. This does not comport with the wording of the Keren
spam. It also ignores, as noted, the railroad tie ash which should be
an equal amount.

And as later you explained that it was sandy soil, the pit could
not possibly have been rectangular to 7.5 meters without shoring and
unless iron shoring, of flammable wood and thus unlikely we generously
give the side a 45 degree slope. This reduces the soil volume by half
and the bone ash only content increases to 50%.

Thus you see there was no excuse for them not to find huge
quantities of bone ash. Certainly something as significant as half of
every core sample was bone ash would not be reported as it was. And
for the story to be true that is what would have to be found in the
only disturbed area.

>>>>So what is this ash? Where did the sand come from?
>
>>>Look for a clue in the clause “Untouched sandy soil was reached at 7.5
>>>meters.” You will then have an indication of just how clueless you
>>>are.
>
>> Then you are saying it was naturally sandy soil and the mention of
>>a sand component was superfluous. You could have clarified that in
>>the beginning.
>
>Don’t complain to me. Complain to the fellows that wrote it. I am
>taking it on faith that they have represented the Polish Commission’s
>findings accurately. Your objection may indicate that they have been a
>little careless.

As you see above, it makes a 50% difference in the volume
calculation. It is very significant whether the soil is sandy or sand
was added.

>>>> What was this
>>>>really?
>
>>>Partly a troll. You are victim number two on this go round. What is
>>>even funnier is that you have been sucked in by this one before. What
>>>is funnier still is that I posted the source last night. You missed it
>>>because you were too busy demonstrating that “doing revisionism” is a
>>>lot like taking a laxative.
>
>>>Partly the prologue to demonstrating how mercilessly stupid deniers
>>>can be in their handling of evidence. Do you want to hear the rest?
>
>>>> So where are the other 9,999,950 bodies?
>
>>>You mispelled “my other 9,999,950 brain cells.”
>
>> I will be very interested in reading about the discovery of the
>>3500 cubic yards (two thousand tons) of bone ash and how a few
>>fragments even come close to being covered by the infamous Keren spam.
>
>Hasty generalization, as above.

Not in the least as you can see from the above.

>>And then please explain how it was done with only five small
>>buildings. And please no witnesses, look at the aerial photo see the
>>only five small buildings that were there.
>
>> One aerial photo is worth a thousand witnesses to see what the
>>facility was like. Only five small buildings to do all of this.
>
>Are you arguing that if the five buildings were large enough to kill
>750,000 people in them, then 750,000 people were killed, but if the
>five buildings were not large enough, then 750,000 people were not
>killed in them? If so, then you have merely constructed a non sequitur
>in denying the antecedent. While the condition is true that buildings
>were not large enough 750,000 people in them *all at once*, it does
>not follow that 750,000 people were not killed in them since they may
>not have been killed all at once.

>You have simply have committed a syllogistic error using an illicit
>major in the predicate, i.e., that all of the people had to be killed
>all at once for the conclusion that all 750,000 were killed to be
>true.
>
>Don’t mind me. I have been swatting up logical fallacies for my
>students. They are already, even at the age of eighteen, way better at
>this than you are.

You appear to have missed the obvious. We have one of these
buildings accounted for as the fake train station. Another for
administration, another for bunking, another as a latrine and another
for mess and food storage.

Rather than argue how many are enough, I will point out that the
above basic requirements of any facility is at least four buildings
and if we double duty the “train station we are left with exactly one
building for all of this gassing.

Now we bring in the peculiarities of Treblinka, that the Germans
had Ukranian workers. If we give them a separate building for
bunking, we run out of buildings.

Now as the current story goes, in the first eleven months of
operation, 800.000 were gassed and buried and in the next 8 month dug
up and burned. We obviously have a very, very substantial work force.
We also have no place for the “victims” to wait without being able to
see all the buildings and what was happening in all of them.

This “Himmelfarbe Strasse” is the only “strasse” and goes between
the five buildings, three and two on a side. Going further, looking
at the disturbed ground that is apparently the fence foundation that
closely surrounds these five buildings, we can clearly see a gate on
the south side towards the railroad track. We can not find any sign
of a gate or worn path way towards the completely unfenced south where
the original burials and subsequent exhumation and burning would have
had to have occurred.

And as to this 90% of the camp that is unfenced, it abutted by a
highway and worked farmland.

Putting this all together we compare it to the “witnesses” who
claim a miniumum of four gas chambers (save for Bomba the Barber who
claims there was only one that 4 by 4 meters.) This leave us with
only one building for every other building usage listed above
including the latrine for all the personnel to do all the gassing,
burial, exhumation and burning in such a short period of time.

The witnesses talk about layers of fences and guard posts yet that
would would have gone deeply into what is obviously worked farmland,
cut off a main highway that almost forms one border of the camp (there
is worked farmland between the border and the highway) and the road
that parallels the railline that is another border of the camp.

And to continue there are no signs of any destroyed buildings, no
fundations, no disturbed earth, and definitely not trees planted to
“cover up” what happened.

To put it in syllables of one word or less, nothing about this
aerial photo matches any description of any witness save good old Bomb
due to the size of the building that must be the smallest and the only
building that is a gas chamber.

Nothing in the photo supports the effectively negative Keren spam
in light of what had to have been found to support the mass
extermination contention for Treblinka.

>Lastly, are you not even the least bit curious as to how you have been
>trolled?

Never looked at the aerial photo, eh? (Canadian so determinately a
?)

How do you prefer to deal with this? Bald face denial? Attacking
the messenger? Or will you deal with the numbers fairly explain the
Keren spam?

I will be interested in reading.

=====

The calculations

The amount of ashes

The amount of cremated remains to be
found

The following questions and
answers come from the Internet Cremation
Society FAQ.

Dec. 26, 1995

Q. What’s left after a body is cremated? It’s
ash, but what size are the pieces? Are they fine, like dust, or
larger? Can you still see pieces of bone or teeth?

The above says 5-7 pounds so
lets keep it on the low side 5 pounds.

With 1,200,000 cremations at
Auschwitz equaling 3000 tons of bone fragments.

Feb. 7, 1996

Q. Do you have standard requirements for an urn?
Someone has asked me to design and fabricate two urns for he and
his wife. I have no idea where to start.Do you have design
specifications?

Here we have the volume of this
mass of bone fragments.

The question the honest person
has to ask is why such a huge volume of material can not be found
and the answer is obvious that no one has looked.

To compound the problem these are not the only missing ashes.

But wait.
It gets worse.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:22:16 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Nizkor’s handler)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ‘However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed’
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:20:16 GMT
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On 21 Nov 1996 04:59:40 GMT, [email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <56u[email protected]> – [email protected] writes:
>:>
>:> [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal OBE) writes::>>>>>
>
>[I will pass over the fact that Mr. Blackmore, as expected, did not provide
>proof that the Allies were the first to introduce poison gas in WWI.]
>
>:>There is a difference between criminals and civilians, although I don’t
>:>expect a fool like you to recognize that difference. And indeed you
>:>don’t. Either way you are at the losers end of the stick, and the
>:> old Holocaust just ain’t what it used to be. Of course I can and will
>:> post proof that the allies initiated theuse of poison gas during the first
>:> world war as soon as you post proof that the Nazis murdered 6 million
>:> Jews during the second-or, let me make it easier-try even 2 million.
>:> BTW, thanks for the welcome back. Get used to it.
>
>Funny. One goes, the other returns.
>
>Obviously, the return of Mr. Blackmore, along with Smith/Stele,
>Giwer/whatever, Hardwire, and the rest of the nuts and bolts, signals the
>deniers’ last gasp spamming attempt to destroy the newsgroup, by filling it
>with so much rubbish, that everyone will leave. I hate to break the news to
>them, and to their silent organizers, that they are sadly mistaken.

Please stop lying or we will get the idea that the synagogue pulls
your strings as it does Nizkor’s. The only claim has been that it
will be useless to holobuggers who insist upon posting off topic in
this conference.

It appears the synagogue has ordered you folks to make the lie that
it will be made generally unreadable even though the truth is that it
will only be made unusable to synagogue shills who post off topic.

Please learn to tell the truth despite the lies your synagogue
gives you to tell.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:22:17 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Freddie)
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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:03:18 GMT
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On 24 Nov 1996 17:21:15 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>(Jamie McCarthy 23 Nov 1996
>[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:
>
>> Whining about Nysizli not mentioning the vestibule
>> between the L.Kellers […]
>
>[email protected] (a troll) wrote:
>
>>> Between the two LKs, right? BETWEEN the two, as >>in LK I and
>LK II
>>> right?
>>
>>> As in those two buildings that were behind
>>>KR II and KR III right?
>
>>Wrong.
>
>NO, JAMIE IS WRONG. The little vestibule, along
>witn elevator shaft and other rooms is between
>Leichenkeller 1 and Leichenkeller 2.

The last time we went around on the LK, it was agreed that LK I was
associated with KR II and so forth. What is this reference to?

> This room would impede crowd movement,
>especially at the Hoaxter numbers claimed,
>ie. at one person per 1.4 square feet.

That much room? Last time we went around this, Keren was corrected
that it was just one of the five rooms in the LK but the total number
per gassing stayed the same.

>Of course, Hoaxters like Jamie and VanAlstine
>never mention this and then DENY its importance
>when brought up.

>It is only one omission in a string made by
>Nyiszli, Gaschambers which are two football
>fields long, 90 feet beween the (nonexistent)
>Zyclon induction vents.

Nyiszli is a witness only a holobugger could love. I have not see
one word from him that indicates he was ever there.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 06:54:09 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.bonehead.matt-giwer
Subject: Re: Twelve Questions Matt Giwer won’t Answer (Month 11)
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On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 19:38:48 +0000, Dene Bebbington
wrote:

>BB wrote:
>>On 20 Nov 1996 18:29:58 -0000, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:
>>
>>>—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—–
>>>
>>>[email protected] (BB) writes:
>>>> Excuse me, maam or sir as the case may be, these quesitons
>>>>originate from a synagogue that has denied it has anything to do with
>>>>nizkor while soliciting contributions.
>>>
>>> Ever hear of the argumentum ad-hominem, Matt? Do you know why it is
>>>generally not valid?
>>
>> Ever heard of clean hands? We have a knowningly and willfully
>>deceptive synagogue posting questions.
>
>Oh no, they’re committing that really heinous and deceptive act of
>asking questions in an attempt to get you to substantiate your bluster
>and assertions. The cheek of it, how dare people associated with Nizkor
>ask questions on a public forum, why next they’ll be putting across an
>opinion as well.

Excuse me, but you are still trying to cover it up. It is not
people associated with Nizkor, Nizkor is wholely owned by the
synagogue. It is ownership, not association.

>I think you’ve come across something really serious here Matt, this is a
>conspiracy of the most outrageous and audacious proportions. Boy, am I
>glad Matt is here to reveal the truth of the world, without that I may
>just have thought that people asking questions here was just an honest
>attempt at getting Matt to account for his assertions.

I can claimed no conspiracy. I have simply claimed deception. I
have simply pointed out that there are people who might donate to
Nizkor who would never donate to a synagogue in Vancouver but, are in
fact doing so when they donate to Nizkor.

The truth is only that Ken McVay, is now clearly proven to be the
front and shill for a jewish organization which he has always claimed
he was not.

But tell me, would you knowingly contribute to an obscure synagogue
in Vancouver when you DID NOT KNOW it owned Nizkor? It reads like
fraud to me but that will be up to Revenue Canada to decide after I
get their address and forward the information as known.

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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
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On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:45:22 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>chief@rabbi.com (Nizkor’s handler) (lying Nazi coward afraid to
>post under his own name) writes:
>
>## [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>##
>## Giwer wants to kill people who disagree
>## with him about historical facts
>
>[…]
>
># We always expect lies from people who front for jews.
>
> From [email protected] Tue Sep 17 09:07:00 EDT 1996
> Article: 121220 of alt.revisionism
>
>[Giwer writes to me]
>
># Were you at my back in combat I would turn and kill you
># first as you can not be trusted to have loyalties to the
># US above all others.
>
>This is a death threat, plain and simple.

When the both of us are in combat, tell it to the Sarge. You silly
twit.

> From [email protected] Sat Sep 21 17:58:06 EDT 1996
> Article: 122260 of alt.revisionism
>
># Keren of course is an apologist liar for murdering jews and
># a traitor because his loyalties are to Israel rather than to
># the US.
>#
># The curse is upon him.
>#
># He and everyone like him has been formally reported to the US
># Gov and they have no mroe chance of getting or retaining a
># security clearance than Pollard and for the same reason, they
># are no loyal Americans.
>#
># They have all supported Isreali murders of Americans.
>#
># Their fate should be death but the curse is now upon them.
>
>Giwer clearly says I should be killed because my opinions
>on history differ from his.

I thought laying on a curse was rather biblical. Don’t tell me you
believe they work, you superstitious twit.

> From [email protected] Sat Sep 21 18:10:17 EDT 1996
> Article: 122347 of alt.revisionism
>
>[Giwer writes to me]
>
># May napalm burn you skin. May cannon fire tear your
># apart. May you know death from drowning.
>
>Again, Giwer clearly says I should be killed because my
>opinions on history differ from his.
>
>
>-Danny Keren.

Another curse being laid on.

Such superstitious jews to think curses work. They are much more
primitive than I thought.

“He put a curse on me!”

“He turned me into a Newt!”

“It got better.”

Such silly, superstitious Jews. They still believe in curses.
Primitive tribesmen, all of them.

And if you would declare otherwise, you know where to report
crimes. Or are you all three Mogen Davids to the wind at night and
think better of it in the morning hangover?

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From: [email protected] (jimmy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ‘The Jews from two of these transports were gassed’
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:10:09 GMT, CHRIST SODOMIZER posting as
[email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Nizkor’s handler) (senile Nazi coward)
>writes:
>
># Have you no shame?
>
>The ones who have no shame are miserable people like
>you, who admire the Nazis, murderers of countless
>innocent victims, including American POW’s.

It would appear that when caught in lying about being a front for
organized jewry, you can only lash out as the CHRIST SODOMIZER you
usually post as.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 07:34:56 PST 1996
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On 23 Nov 1996 16:21:38 -0000, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:

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>[email protected] (Nizkor’s handler) but really Matt Giwer writes:
>> Translation, despite the statements and assertions of others to the
>>contrary, Nizkor is a front for a synagogue and its supporters are
>>shills. And it appears likely they are all involved in a charity scam
>>but that will be up to Revenue Canada to decide when they get the
>>information.
>
> Ho hum, you tried this tactic months ago, didn’t you? The last time
>you blustered that Nizkor was a scam under the RICO laws. Didn’t work then,
>won’t work now.
>
> Derek
>
>Read the information the Giwer-troll fears:
>
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mcvay-ken/put-up-shut-up.html
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/plagarized-01.html
>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/antisemite
>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse/

You do know the penalty…

The amount of ashes

The amount of cremated remains to be
found

The following questions and
answers come from the Internet Cremation
Society FAQ.

Dec. 26, 1995

Q. What’s left after a body is cremated? It’s
ash, but what size are the pieces? Are they fine, like dust, or
larger? Can you still see pieces of bone or teeth?

The above says 5-7 pounds so
lets keep it on the low side 5 pounds.

With 1,200,000 cremations at
Auschwitz equaling 3000 tons of bone fragments.

Feb. 7, 1996

Q. Do you have standard requirements for an urn?
Someone has asked me to design and fabricate two urns for he and
his wife. I have no idea where to start.Do you have design
specifications?

Here we have the volume of this
mass of bone fragments.

The question the honest person
has to ask is why such a huge volume of material can not be found
and the answer is obvious that no one has looked.

To compound the problem these are not the only missing ashes.

But wait.
It gets worse.

From [email protected] Mon Nov 25 07:34:58 PST 1996
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The Aktion Reinhard Death Camps

Auschwitz Birkenau

Bergen-Belsen

Buchenwald

Chelmno

Dachau

Maidanek (Majdanek)

Mauthausen

Nordhausen

Belzec

Treblinka

Mittelbau Dora

Gusen

Westerbork

Matthias Giwer

John Hron

Ken McVay

Steve Thomas

Fairview Technologies

Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Muslim Brotherhood: Islamic Extremists and the…

The Heritage Front

The Anti-Defamation League

Giwer Matt, 7-1996 – p2