Giwer Matt, 5-1996 – p6

From [email protected] Wed Sep 25 22:37:57 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: holohugging traitors
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:01:25 GMT
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 05:17:01 GMT, [email protected] (Lorne Beaton)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>On Mon, 23 Sep 1996 20:01:51 -0300, Keith Morrison wrote:

>>>This from the same man who pontificated long and loud about there
>>>being wars that were undeclared that were nonetheless wars when I
>>>asked him who the US Constitution gave the sole power to make a
>>>declaration of war.

>>>Does the term “double standard” spring to mind?

>> Only ignorant Canadians such as yourself can do that.

>> As you know, my point is the claim that there was a DECLARED war zone when there
>>was no such thing. I added that a country can not declare a war zone without
>>declaring a war.

>> But then you are a Canadian.

>So am I, and what’s that got to do with anything?

Such a candid admission. Why would you do that to yourself?

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From [email protected] Wed Sep 25 22:37:58 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Topf and Sons, all round geniuses
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 00:12:03 GMT
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On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 05:14:38 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>[snip]

>> I was unaware that it was your considered opinion that no one designed the
>>buildings and the gas chambers. You do great research.
>>
>> You will note that I did refer to design, not construction. Want to take
>>another shot at it?

>Pruefer of Topf and Sons designed the furnaces.

>Dejaco of the SS-Bauleitung was one of the building architects for the
>Kremas.

>Did you have a point you wished to make?

Yes. But you have still missed the designer of interest. That of the designer
of the room in the LK that was supposed to be used for gassing.

Can you find his name? He deserved a lot of credit as you realize.

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From [email protected] Wed Sep 25 23:03:39 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Autopsy reports of gassing where there were no gas chambers
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 23:36:22 GMT
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On Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:52:03 GMT, [email protected] (Mike Curtis) wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:

>>
>>> cross-examination. What makes you think that the toxilogical reports (which were
>>> rendered by a laboratory in Paris) were not part of his report?
>>>
>>> –YFE
>>>
>>>>>>
>>Originials, please.

>Here! In this forum?!? Get thee to the National Archives and do the
>comparisons yourself. If you feel that Larson was not qualified as an
>expert then present your evidence. If you feel that the evidence was
>not properly put into evidence (per-1940 law) then provide your
>evidence.

Not only is does the subject make the claim that there are autopsy reports it is
clear that by the timing events that even if there had at one time been a gas
chamber there, liberation came much too late to autopsy the bodies.

Beyond that YFE is claiming to have the document that contains them in what
comes PRIOR to what has been posted here.

It is simply a matter of calling his bluff. The man is lying about it.

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From [email protected] Wed Sep 25 23:03:41 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Leave it To Giwer (Re: Where is our german linguist?) – fndaerab.jpg (0/1) – fndaerab.jpg (1/1)
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On 24 Sep 1996 15:13:23 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>: On Mon, 23 Sep 1996 20:54:37 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>:
>: >[email protected] (Matt Giwer) offers the web sites
>: >of Greg Raven, a Hitler admirer who stated that Hitler
>: >was a “great man” and “the best thing that could have
>: >happened to Germany”. He also offers Ernst Zundel’s
>: >site; Zundel not only admires Hitler,
>:
>: Without the fabulous holocaust, Hitler was no worse than Mussolini or Franco.
>: Your argument is circular.

>So you’re a big admirer of Mussolini and Franco?

How can anyone but a jew traitor be so illiterate?

>: he also believes
>: >that the Nazi leadership escaped Germany in “secret
>: >UFO’s” and flew into the inner earth through a big
>: >hole in the South-Pole (see the web site with Zundel’s
>: >”research”, address posted by Jamie McCarthy).
>:
>: Jimmy Carter saw UFOs and was attacked by rabbits.

>So you’re a big admirer of Jimmy Carter?

I am not a jew traitor.

=====
Read the information holohuggers fear
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg
http://www.codoh.com/
http://www.webcom.com/~zundel

From [email protected] Wed Sep 25 23:03:43 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: SEND’IM TO DA LAND!
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On 24 Sep 1996 16:07:20 -0700, [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>[a twit said]

> “Keren, the slimey, murderous, lying traitor to everything American.
> He is a jew and his loyalty is to Israel not the the US.
> It is his kind that need to be sent to the land where their loyalties lie.”

>One can only wonder what made the twit think Dr. Keren was an
>American? Boy, if _I_ had an IQ of 163, _I_ would have figured
>out where he was from by cleverly reading his writing!

>Whaddamoran.

If he is a Canadian then his loyalty to Israel is understood.

>–
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>”I can and will come in under another name that is not killfiled. You
>folks have proven yourselves so freaking dumb that I can do anything I
>want to show what idiots you are.” (Matt Giwer, June 13, 1996)

Good to see you agree.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 07:47:55 PDT 1996
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On Tue, 24 Sep 96 08:55:20 GMT, [email protected] (Allan Matthews) wrote:

>In article <32468a5f.25[email protected]>, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:
>>>>[email protected] (Mike Curtis) wrote:
>>>(_Inside the Vicious Heart: Americans and the Liberation of Nazi
>>>Concentration Camps_, by Robert H. Abzug, Oxford, 1985)
>>
>> Reference to a book is nothing.

>Now this is enlightening. Just what sort of “reference” would you like him to
>provide, Moron? It seems that no amount or type of references or evidence
>will ever convince an anti-semitic denier like you about anything.

Consider that if the person in fact had the book then typing in or summarizing
the relevent material from the book would be the proper response. If the person
does not have the book and is simply stealing the footnote from another book
then it would be appropriate to only post the reference.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 07:47:56 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 21 Sep 1996 19:43:26 GMT, Jean-Francois Beaulieu wrote:

> One of the most incredible claim of the gassing story is that men and women
> had to remove their clothes in the same room before to go in the gas chamber.
> Back those days, modesty was largely present, more than today, and the Nazis
> were definitivelly prudish. We have just to remember how they considered por-
> nography. Many Jews also. Especially the religious.

> In spite of the fact that some tales described few convoys were the Jews
> were ‘aware’ about their fate and protested a bit, more often they were
> supposed to be ignorant about it. I’ve just search in a couple of books
> and there seems to be no reference to that.

> It is hardly believable that the SS couldn’t figure that a unique undressing
> room for both sex was a so good idea. First, it was going against their bigo-
> try. Second, they could expect too much protestations from Jews. But the odd
> here is that we should expect in the SK tales a frequent reference to Jewsness
> who refused to undress in front of men, or the contrary. Disorder, protesta-
> tions, since they were normally unaware about their fate. Of course the SS had
> gunmachines, but what we are told is that they tried as much as possible to
> fool the Jews. For _each_ gassing we should expect several men and women who
> shout ‘In front of the men?’, loud protestations and a group of SS who would
> be obligated to threat the Jews with their guns. And even in that case, sup-
> plications, during minutes we would expect men or women asking to bring a cur-
> tain, an protestations again, and SS repeating ‘do it or die!’. After two or
> three of those scenes, since the purpose was allegedly to drive the Jews quie-
> ly without incidents toward the gas chamber, the SS would perfectly realized
> that the best method was to take in account the mentalities and to separate
> them in two groups from the begining to the end. However, we have not such
> tales. The stories are based upond mixed groups who removed their clothes
> without protesting systematically.

> http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/

But you forget, they were under the control of pure evil, a satanic influence,
and everyone willingly gets naked when evil commands it. It is in all the
witchcraft literature.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 08:22:47 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: White MEN Created Everything
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On Sun, 22 Sep 1996 17:24:58 -0400, [email protected] (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> He was a thousand years off and 400 miles away. There is no
>reason to believe
>> that the Hebrews were even in Egypt or that there was ever a Moses and all the
>> evidence is to the contrary, not to mention that the Hebrews were
>polytheists at
>> least until 600 BC and to by some evidence hundreds of years afterwards.
>>
>> Other than that, Freud was “close.”

>> […deletia…]

>> You missed the obvious reason, that the Hebrews were never in
>Egypt and were not
>> monotheists.
>>
>> Other than that, you were close.

>Please note Message-ID <[email protected]> posted on
>or about September 6, 1996 in which Giwer states:

> “You keep reading [my posts] and keep posting about them.
> That will waste your time while I concentrate on posting the
> idiocies of the holohuggers. I will post just enough to you
> folks to keep you interested and keep your limited time
> wasted. I have 18 hours a day seven days a week if I wish.”

>Giwer is, as he admits above, a troller whose only interest is in
>causing fights. While he can sound plausible, he has lied about what
>has been said in exchanges (while accusing others of lying), refused to
>document claims, pretended not to see posts which contain documented
>refutation of his claims (even when they have been emailed to him),
>engaged in actual libel, and generally conducted himself with such
>complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity that it seems
>counterproductive to take the time to read and respond to him.

>For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to
>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt and the
>various subdirectories beneath this. Of particular interest will be:

> https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html
> https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html

>A Web-based guide to the Giwer files can be found at
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/ .

>JGB

>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown [email protected]
> “What’s going to happen?” “Something wonderful…” — ‘2010’
========
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Those Polish spies again
From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:46:23 GMT

Anyone want to explain this one?

” It was in 1942 [at Belsen] that the special electrical appliances were built
in for mass extermination of people. Under the pretext that the people were
being led to the bath-house, the doomed were undressed and then driven to the
building where the floor was electrified in a special way; there they were
killed. ”

IMT VII – p.576-577.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 14:44:50 PDT 1996
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On 17 Sep 1996 16:27:07 GMT, [email protected] (Richard Schultz) wrote:

>william c anderson ([email protected]) wrote:

>: Hilberg is not a historian…why? Because you say so? If you intend
>: to assert that he’s not an historian because his degree was in political
>: science, it’s going to be difficult to take you seriously.

>Furthermore, Hilberg explicitly says what he is doing in his introduction.
>He explains that he is writing about the Holocaust from the Nazis’ own
>point of view; thta is, he examined documents written by the Nazis and
>reports what he found. If a political scientist is not supposed to
>examine the workings of a government by examining the documents it
>leaves behind, just what is it that he’s supposed to do?

At least you agree he is not a historian. So what is your point in posting?

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Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 14:44:51 PDT 1996
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On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:49:46 GMT, [email protected] (Mike Curtis) wrote:

>[email protected] (Alexander Baron) wrote:

>>In article
>> [email protected] writes:
>>
>>> In article <843[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>> > And when we take over we will march into your synagogues and gun you all
>>> > down, every single one of you. And you won’t be able to do anything about
>>> > it because, like the dumb Yids you are, you have voted away the right to
>>> > bear arms under the constitution.
>>> >
>>> > And when we’ve finished the kikes we’ll start on the niggers, then the queers,> > then the…
>>>
>>> This from Al Baron, who insists he is not an anti-Semite.
>>>
>>> I’d say the definitive proof of his hatred is right here.
>>
>>You really are one dumb fuck, aren’t you Schwarz? When the right to bear firearms
>>has been abolished only the state will have guns,

>In America the power to control guns is really and Constitutionally
>with the 50 states. The Federal government is Constitutionally unable
>to ban guns. The recent “ban” of “assault” weapons is a ban on
>importation so is right know a legal symantic problem and might even
>be unconstitutional.

The ban is also upon the manufacture and interstate shipment, meaning the
perversion of the power to regulate into the power to ban is still in force.
When it was alcohol, it required an amendment.

>There is no restrictions on people owning these
>guns.

It would appear inextricably connected that the right to own is the right to buy
is the right to manufacture and the right to sell. But this is a different
world where manufacture and sale can be prohibited and still maintain the
fiction of the right to own.

>The American second amendment is a restriction on Federal
>government of this nation and not on the 50 states of this nation. So
>far the 2nd amendment has not been incorporated into the 14th
>amendment.

However, something like 38 state constitutions have a stronger protection of the
RTKBA then does the US Constutions.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 14:44:52 PDT 1996
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On Tue, 24 Sep 96 23:54:35 EST, [email protected] (Scott Erb) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says…

>> Remember Waco, The murderers are still free.

>(snicker)

>That line pretty much tells everything about Matt G.

>Want to defend Jimmy Jones too. (snicker, snicker)

By analogy, I am unaware of any violation of any firearms law he committed.
Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what laws under the jurisdiction of the
BATF Jones is considered to have violated. I will be waiting.

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Yes, you are ignorant of what happened in Waco.

http://206.55.8.10/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum

And the assassins of Ruby Ridge are also free.

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On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:46:53 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> On Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:54:10 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> >> Ole Kreiberg ([email protected]) wrote:
>> >> > Only Germans can be genuine nazis.
>>
>> >Really? I’ll bet George Lincoln Rockwell would have disagreed with that
>> >statement.
>>
>> It is interesting that you would cite him as an authority on any subject.

>WHY is it interesting, Mr. Giwer?
>
>Don’t YOU think George Lincoln Rockwell was a Nazi? And an American?

So far as I am aware the NSDAP went out of business in early 1945 and the NSAWP
out of business on December 9, 1941. If he is amused to call himself a Nazi
that is his business. Perhaps he just has a perverted sense of humor and enjoys
making so many fools shit in their pants when they hear him use the label.

I have no interest what he labeled himself, Nazi, Cathar, Hun, whatever. He
never had the slightest chance to start a political party and even if he had the
US was much too well armed for him to stay in power more than a few weeks. The
US is still much too well armed for anyone of the totalitarian persuasion to
survive very long.

I, too, laugh at the thought of you folks having to change your underwear so
often.

>I would certainly cite him as an authority on whether non-Germans can be
>Nazis, since he WAS one.

And of course you believe that a person is whatever he calls himself. If you
call your local mental hospital they can probably introduce you to a lot of
people you would like to talk with.

>You really are an idiot, aren’t you?

Are you suggesting that he was a political Nazi and supported such things as did
the NSDAP as universal health care, social security, universal opportunity at
higher education and the like? I have posted their 1933 platform many times.
Have you missed it every time?

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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:05:37 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>[email protected] (John Morris) wrote:

>>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 00:47:58 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:
>>>
>>>>[email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Kurt Prufer, senior engineer of Topf and Sohne, testifying in Erfurt,
>>>>>Germany, March 5, 1946
>>>>>[Quoted from the interrogation transcripts by Prof. Gerald Fleming
>>>>>from the University of Surrey, in an NYT article, July 18 1993]
>>[snip]
>>
>>>> Now heres a guy who was at the camp numerous times in the direct
>>>>function of installing Kremas who we should presume to be one of the
>>>>”Ordinary Germans” and “willing executioners, who we should expect to
>>>>know quite a bit about the crematoriums. A first hand, expert witness
>>>>so to speak. One might think the inquiring body would be keen on
>>>>getting a detailed picture.
>>
>>So, we have Tom Moran who thinks there was no Holocaust because some
>>interrogators did not ask detailed technical questions about furnace
>>construction. . . .
>>
>>> Now, now. You have read the statement of the “president” of the trials. They
>>>were required to be short and fast and it was forbidden to do anything that
>>>would lengthen the trials such as, as I have presented, require proof that the
>>>crimes actually occurred.
>>
>>And we have Matt Giwer who thinks these questions were asked at some
>>trial or other.
>>
>>Okay. Which trial?
>>
>>You are always going on about how you want to get at the truth of what
>>actually happened. So tell us what happened. Tell us at which trial
>>Pruefer was examined.
>>
>>> Remember these were War Crimes Trials. The War Crime of interest was losing the
>>>war, sort of a negative crime but certainly punishable by death.
>>
>>If this particular case examined at a War Crimes Trial, surely you can
>>tell us which one.
>>
>>[cue the “Jeopardy” theme]

> Giwer, I think Mr.Morris may have us here. Maybe it wasn’t a
>trial. In that case all one would have to do is maintain the intial
>critique and just change the references to any trial. Then maybe
>Mr.Morris would come back and try to deal with it more directly.
> But wait, we have an interogation, with this expert testimony,
>and it never went to a court? Shocking.

Quite. Very shocking. Things the raise as gospel do not exist when others
raise them. Very much like Keren’s spam.

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On 24 Sep 1996 19:30:16 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>> You folks appear to believe that if you keep saying it that the three
>>ambiguous documents and the traces of insecticide will become more than they
>>are.

> Ambiguous? Like the Posen Speech of Himmler?

That’s one of them.

>> On the other hand, I have seen hundreds of pictures and films of UFOs.
>>Anyone with a web browser can find hundreds of such pictures.

> It’s not difficult to produce a fake UFO report, complete with
>pictures. Last year I actually created a picture of three flying saucers in
>the background of picture of a landmark. (I did it for the amusement value and
>to see how hard it was to do.)

> Even without a computer it can be done with a camera, some props
>and a little ingenuity.

But holohuggers do not even go that far. They find a picture, however innocuous
say of two students standing in front of the class, and caption it something
like “Jewish children berated in front of class” when there is not the least
indication of their race or religion or that they are being berated in the
picture. Any picture of poorly dressed people standing in line are being
“selected” for gassing.

There was even a picture posted here of someone apparently crushed by a rock and
it was labeled as a Jew as a result of Krystallnacht. It was obviously no more
than a creative label.

So you see, it is even easier to create holocaust pictures than UFO pictures.
No technology at all is involved. It is simply creative captioning of pictures
with no known relationship to much of anything. On the other hand, perhaps only
a holohugger psychological evaluation, to see where their subconscious dwells.

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On 24 Sep 1996 21:26:57 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:

>Alexander Baron ([email protected]) wrote:

>: Why aren’t people who question UFOs branded anti-Semitic?

>Because the aliens are all Hindus, Al.

You missed the trailer for History of the World, Part II.

But of course the point is the absense of physical evidence for holocaust
gassing.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 15:26:08 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:09:44 GMT, [email protected] (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 17:19:17 GMT, [email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> The facts are otherwise. First, there are exactly two historians who have
>>investigated and published on the holocaust. (People like Wiesel and Hilberg
>>are not historians.)

>You _WISH_ Hillberg wasn’t an historian but sadly, for you case, he is, and
>a well respected one.

You will of course cite his PhD and the granting institution?

This is another issue you just cannot stamp you foot
>and say “I said so,” Matt. Your opinion on Hillberg doesn’t matter a pinch
>of coon shit.

That is correct. Neither does his opinion on any holocaust matters. As of 1989
he had spent exactly one day at Auschwitz by his own testimony and was, by that
same testimony, unfamiliar with common material on the holocaust.

>As for Wiesel? He never claimed to be a historian.

I was simply pointing out the neither of them are historians. That can not be
changed.

From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 15:34:54 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Priests Murdered in Dachau
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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 00:59:07 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 05:03:22 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>>
>>>[snip]
>>
>>>> How did you get from a tabulation of deaths to murder?
>>
>>>How did you come to believe that a 50% morbidity rate among Polish
>>>priests at Dachau was okay?
>>
>>>–
>>> John Morris
>>> at University of Alberta

>[baiting deleted]

>> What was their average age? If it was 50, the survival rate is surprisingly

>”If?” So basically you don’t have a clue. You don’t know the average
>age, the average length of imprisonment, or the average life span
>while imprisoned.

>Why should I bother answering arguments that flow from wilfull
>ignorance?

As you remember, it was your fellow CS PhD holohugger who was claiming the
deaths were so far out of line that they had to be murder. So your comments all
apply to his conclusion. And it is good to see you agree he was and is full of
shit in his murder claim.

Now, where are all the rabbis? Were they really all collaborators as the list
indicates?

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:29 PDT 1996
Article: 69063 of alt.revisionism
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On 25 Sep 1996 22:48:49 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>
>> If the average age was 50 and given the average life expectancy in the
>60 to 65
>> range (it was 63 average in the US in that time frame, 61 for men), that is an
>> extremely high survival rate over seven years.

>> You are so blinded by your traitorous, jew hatred that fall on your sword
>over
>> elementary population distributions. Undergraduate stuff. I forgot, computer
>> science. You would not know anything about this sort of thing. It is too hard
>> for CS types.

> Actually you are, once more, showing your ignorance of basic science.
>Life expectancy is *not* computed based on total life expectancy (as you did) but
>the life expectancy of the cohort. In the 1930’s the life expectancy for a *newborn*
>might well have been 61; the life expectancy for a 50 year old man was higher.

> Please learn some basic demographics. This is as bad as when you
>described distributions of 3-0 and 283-5 as being within normal demographic limits.

Now that you are on the right track, what was the average life expectancy of the
cohort in the camp? If you can not answer that, you can not determine the
expected number of deaths. Nor can it be determined if the number of deaths is
out of line with that expectation.

It is good to see you agree the CS PhD don’t know shit about the subject.

Now, where are all the rabbis?

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:30 PDT 1996
Article: 69065 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Acceptance makes truth
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On 16 Sep 1996 20:51:40 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>: It is often suggested that because historians have looked at
>: the holocaust and pronounced it true then it becomes the standard that
>: must be negated. That would appear a reasonable assumption on the
>: surface and of course that is the purpose of a fallacy, to appear
>: reasonable.

>: The facts are otherwise. First, there are exactly two historians
>: who have investigated and published on the holocaust.

>Matt, do you just make this stuff up as you go along? Why are there
>over two hundred contributers listed in the _Encyclopedia of the
>Holocaust_? Why does my library have on it’s shelves three fat
>bibliographies on the Holocaust, jam-packed with books and articles
>by historians?

You need to separate the historians from the contributors.

But since you claim to have the list, why not provide the names and credentials
of the real historians next to their papers on gassing? Take all the screens
you need.

>: (People like
>: Wiesel and Hilberg are not historians.)

>Hilberg is not a historian…why? Because you say so? If you intend
>to assert that he’s not an historian because his degree was in political
>science, it’s going to be difficult to take you seriously.

Because his doctorate is in Political Science and Public Administration and the
history chair was funded on condition that he fill it. If you have the money
you can buy a chair that way also.
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There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:31 PDT 1996
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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 00:05:46 -0700, [email protected] (Rajiv K.
Gandhi) wrote:

>Troll-Giwer, at [email protected] now that Netcom removed his sorry
>carcass from their service, wrote:

>> >One can only wonder what made the twit think Dr. Keren was an
>> >American? Boy, if _I_ had an IQ of 163, _I_ would have figured
>> >out where he was from by cleverly reading his writing!
>>
>> >Whaddamoran.
>>
>> If he is a Canadian then his loyalty to Israel is understood.

>Everything is spelled correctly and the grammar is almost correct, yet
>still the impotent troll spews something inane and incoherent. Is this a
>particular trait of the Giwer, the alcohol, or the genetic accident which
>resulted in the misguided procreation of a troll ?

It is good to see the silly handle once more demonstrate the limits of its
ability to make a substantive contribution to the discussion. You’re a jew,
right?

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:31 PDT 1996
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On 26 Sep 1996 03:18:20 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>> On 24 Sep 1996 02:21:21 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>
>> > Becasue they are true. To review the bidding you sent me your usual
>> >anit-Semitic garbage in an e-mail. You were asked, as you have been in the
>past,
>> >not to send me any e-mail. Your entire response was:
>
>> > “I am tired of your shit. Fuck off.”
>
>> > That communication, in itself, is criminal harrassment.
>
>> Responses to your email can not be considered harrassment while the
>email you
>> initiated can be.

> Garbage. You e-mailed me anit-Semitic material. You were asked to
>stop. Not only is that not harrassment but it was at the direction of your ISP after
>their logs demonstrated that you had sent it to me. Your response to a request
>not send me e-mail is quoted in full above.

Strange they told me quite the opposite about the logs. But then you are known
to get hysterical on this subject. You are very strange. I would suggest you
get a prosthetic foreskin so you can feel like a whole man again rather than
like a sexually mutilated primitive.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:32 PDT 1996
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:33:37 -0300, Keith Morrison wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:

>> >This from the same man who pontificated long and loud about there
>> >being wars that were undeclared that were nonetheless wars when I
>> >asked him who the US Constitution gave the sole power to make a
>> >declaration of war.
>>
>> >Does the term “double standard” spring to mind?
>>
>> Only ignorant Canadians such as yourself can do that.
>>
>> As you know, my point is the claim that there was a DECLARED war zone when there
>> was no such thing. I added that a country can not declare a war zone without
>> declaring a war.
>>
>> But then you are a Canadian.

>Damn straight and proud of it. By the by, when was the British declaration
>of war made against the Argentinians in 1982? I’m really curious because
>I kept hearing about this “war zone” around the Falklands but I can’t really
>remember a formal declaration of war.

I did not keep the date. It was a limited declaration regarding matters
pertaining to the liberation of the Falklands.

What did you do? Buy shares in the Malvinas Development Corporation?

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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:29:30 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

># We have been over your ignorance of how diesel engines operate
># many times.

>Not once. You, however, claimed they cannot produce enough CO
>to kill, while experiments proved that a) up to 6% CO can be
>present in the exhaust, and b) animals in a closed chamber
>will indeed die when exposed to diesel exhaust.

And if used in that mode the buildings would have been fire traps. Trains went
right past the fire trap buildings.

># And besides I have posted the TRUE, EYEWITNESS testimony that
># STEAM was used and not diesel engines.

>Can you provide the name of the witness who said that?

When you provide the names and addresses of all the “witnesses” you spam with I
will consider myself being deficient. Until you start doing that, I am meeting
your standard. However, I have given the IMT reference and where it is used in
Gilbert’s “Nuremberg Diary” which is far ahead of your “standard.”

In any event, you are full of shit.

>As we all know, the origin of the “steam” is from a wartime
>report which *speculated* that steam was used. It was written by
>Poles who spied on the camp. And we know that the sonderkommando
>survivors and the SS-men, as well as the Ukrainian guards –
>that is, all first-hand witnesses – said diesel exhaust
>were used.

Speculation your ass. This is a clear description of someone who saw the steam
generating equipment in operation.

========
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Subject: Not close inded! Keren bullshits again
From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:43:39 GMT

Hey, Keren! Where is your story about the Polish “spies” not getting
close this time?

” The second building [at Treblinka] consists of three chambers
and a boiler-room. The steam generated in the boilers is led by
means of pipes to the chambers. There are terracota floors in the
chambers which become very slippery when wet … All victims had
to strip off their clothes and shoes, which were collected
afterwards, whereupon all victims, women and children first, were
driven into the death chambers. Those too slow or too weak to
move quickly were driven on by rifle butts, by whipping and
kicking…Many slipped and fell, the next victims pressed forward
and stumbled over them. Small children were simply thrown
inside. After being filled up to capacity the chambers were
hermetically closed and steam was let in. In a few minutes all
was over.”

IMT XXXII – pp. 156-157.

This affidavit was part of the opening prosecution, read into
the record on December 14, 1945. It is quoted in part in GM
Gilbert’s *Nuremberg Diary* p. 69.

=====

So please drop your idiot claim that it was “speculation.” This is close up,
first hand observation.

Get over it. They were steamed to death. This is the evidence.

>You’re like someone who claims that, because some eyewitnesses
>thought they saw a missile strike TWA 800, while it seems
>no missile was used, we have proof the plane was never shot
>down.

>But we know all about your powers of reasoning. See below.

>-Danny Keren.

> —
>In Message-ID: <[email protected]>, Matt Giwer
>suggested that documents about a “gas chamber” and “gassing cellar”
>in the Birkenau crematoriums didn’t count, as they were really due
>to “a morbid sense of humor” of the SS men who authored the documents.

Actually all you are demonstrating is your ability to lie about gassing in the
face of a clear witness description of the steam equipment and its use.

Get back to defending the Israeli murderers, jew.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:34 PDT 1996
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:12:06 -0400, A Gryn wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>>
>> I was speaking of the campaign speeches of both candidates made in Israel and
>> carried in the news. Of you never pay attention to the news.

>1. The overdubbed speeches were English – because they were translated.

Funny thing, the lips were in sync with the english. How is that possible?

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On Fri, 20 Sep 96 17:36:27 GMT, [email protected] (Nele Abels)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>> McFly nad Ferree are both idiots.

>Drunk again in public. Aren’t you ashamed, Mr. Giwer?

Does it please your sense of integrity to spread the popular libel of the
holohuggers?

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In an update, the leader of the Palestinian East Jerusalem Executive Committee,
while trying to calm the rioters and to get them to go home, was attacked by
Israeli security forces.

Peace is not desired.

The US, Warren Christopher has asked that the tourist attraction tunnel be
closed in the interests fo peace but the answer of Israel is a flat no, a
refusal to remove the cause of the rioting.

In an interview with Peter Jennings, the Mayor of Jerusalem flatly dismissed the
concerns of the Palestinians over the interests of tourism. Jennings asked why
this administration ignored the concerns while previous administrations had
recognized them. The mayor again referred to the interests of tourism.

Israeli helicopters opened fire with gatling guns on the people of Ramallah,
film shown on ABC World News Tonight.

Arafat called for Palestinians to put done their guns and restore order. It was
only partially effective.

Netanyahu has refused to order Israeli forces to put down their guns.

=====

If there was ever any question that Israel would rather have tourist earnings
rather than peace, this is a clear example of it.

The difference between now and the Intifada is that there are 30,000 armed
Palestinian police. Attacking them involves street fighting. They can tie up
at least 90,000 IDF troops.

Of course Syria has an open wound from only a few months ago.

However, Israel deliberately set off this riot and knows that it will make the
country vulnerable to military attack which appears to be part of the intent of
the provocation.

The obvious intent of this action by Israel is the end of the peace process
which was promised in the election. Israeli apologists will ignore the
provocation and blame it all upon the Palestinians. Not only the end of the
peace process but the retaking of the surrendered territories and, if a military
attack can be provoked, the expansion of the military occupation of more of the
middle east.

It is such a transparent move that it is unclear just how long it will take for
the Israeli apologists in the US to get the Israeli provocation out of the news.
They are working very hard now to prevent the provocation from being directly
discussed.

It is not a question of what Israel would rather do, have a tourist attraction
or kill Palestinians. It is obvious they want to do both.

How long before the US realizes just what kind of nation it has been supporting
all of these years?

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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:39:28 +0000, Chuck Ferree wrote:

>Chuck Ferree writes:

>Guess the Liar Gywar has never been to Dachau, or Chicago either.

Hey, Chuckle Fairy. It is OK for a jew to have been a nazi collaborator or
worse. Jews didn’t have the sense to kill collaborators rather they are
elevated to hero status. As there are not rabbis on the list the only
explanation obvious is that they were collaborators.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:37 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:14:35 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 22 Sep 1996 13:31:45 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>

>> >When people discuss their “roots,” I often explain to them that I can
>> >trace mine back to a pit in the town of Stolin. That’s where my family
>> >history is.
>>
>> Most of mine are in graves in Cincinnati but that does not mean I
>can not go
>> further. You are very strange.
>>
>> >I know of very few Jews who can trace their ancestry back much farther
>> >than that.
>>
>> You are fixated upon an event that never happened. That is the
>holohugger
>> mentality. Just plain strange.

>An event that never happened?

>That’s interesting, Mr. Giwer, considering that members of my family have
>BEEN TO and SEEN the pit where my relatives died. I have seen the
>photographs.

What did you see a picture of? An open pit? Then you must have been able to
identify their bodies in it. If not, how do you know they died in that “pit”?
If it was not an open pit, how badly was the vegitation disturbed?

>What you fail to see, Mr. Giwer, is thatn when your ancectors died, their
>possessions remained intact. They were placed in graves with gravestones.
>You can go look at the graves, you can touch the letters, photographs, and
>other memorabilia that belonged to them.

Why would I want to do any of that for people I never knew? Why would anyone?
can’t even work up much excitement over people I did know. If you’ve seen one
grave you’ve seen them all. Just how many “easy lawn care” stones can you take?

>That is not possible for me, since everything belonging to the Jews of
>Stolin was destroyed.

Excuse me. Since I can do what can not then you are saying that you have no
idea what those pictures you were shown were.

But to get back to the point of many months ago, it is very, very strange to the
point of irrational to miss people you never knew.

>You may not believe in the Holocaust, Mr. Giwer, which just shows you’re
>stupid. But to tell me that my family was not killed, when the evidence
>clearly exists in the town of Stolin, in the pit on the edge of town, in
>the histories recorded in Yad Vashem; that just means you’re either
>delusional or stupid.
>
>Or both.

Anyone who claims a pit is evidence of murder isn’t wrapped all that tight.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:38 PDT 1996
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It has been the policy to remove the rights of Palestinians to reside in
Jerusalem.

Jerusalem for Jews.

It appears Israel has taken a matter of policy guidance from the NSDAP platform
of 1933. Only ethnic Jews permitted in Jerusalem. Sieg Israel!
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 05:44:04 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
wrote:

>>Read the information holohuggers fear
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Nizkor

Directed by an American currently employed by a US Department of Defense
contractor and who hosts Nizkor on the internet access of 1B Systems. It is
perhaps one of the largest collections of copyrighted material carried without
the permission of and in cases contrary to the objections of the copyright
holders. It also knowingly libels people and continues to do so after they have
been formally notified that their information is false.

It is perhaps the most flagrant of sites in violation of national and
international law on the web.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:39 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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What happens is that every month or so, out of nowhere, YFE sends me email
complaining that I have sent him unsolicited email. (Lately he has taken to
claiming that is is also anti-semitic and obscene but he is getting rather
hysterical.) He also demands that I stop sending him email.

I respond by informing him that I have never initiated any email to him.

Then he complains that my response to his unsolicited and causeless email is
unsolicited email and that he uses as the basis for his libelous complaints.
One would think that an attorney would know better than to do something as
obvious as that.

But then, he is from Pennsylvania.
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:40 PDT 1996
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 19:26:09 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Hey, folks, anyone in the groups where he posted this message interesting in
stomping on this clown needs to come to alt.revisionism and join in the fun. He
is an American currently in the employ of 1B Systems of British Columbia (finger
nizkor). He runs this Nizkor project on the 1B Systems internet access line.
1B Systems’ primary funding comes through the US DOD. CIA connections were
traceable until milnet purged several entries including his whois.

He is extraordinarily politically correct as are all of the holohuggers on this
conference. The holohuggers are primarily loyal to Israel and support bending
the US to the political will of Israel. He and they are in favor of every
minority at the expense of the majority by the use of force.

Note that he has an email address posted. If that does not work try
@oneb.almanac.bc.ca and @oneb.bc.ca as alternatives. Other variations may also
work.

And whatever you do, minimize your use of Nizkor. He is raising money and uses
the hit count to demonstrate how well the site is doing. At last puiblic report
on alt.revisionism Nizkor did not have tax exempt status so check with the BC
government before you send your money.

On 25 Sep 1996 23:08:14 -0700, [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC)
wrote:

>>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>”… as you can do nothing but attack the messengers.”

> “Right on, fat broad. Do you have do clean up McVay with your lips
> also? What a stupid and fat broad. If you are interested in the
> dictionary it is right there before fatbroad. The only way you got
> your title is by laying McVay and you know it. You have no other
> qualifications. You contribute nothing. You accept only sperm from
> a thing.” (Matt Giwer, at the height of vulgarity, June 22, 1996)

>>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>”… as you can do nothing but attack the messengers.”

> “Of course I ahve [sic] not been to the museum, dumbtwat….
> It is only a lying idiot dumbtwat who would suggest that
> visiting a particular museum is a sine que non for belief.”
> (Matt Giwer, Sept. 4, 1996)

>This this is the selfsame besotted, loudmouthed blowhard that tucked
>his tail firmly between his legs (there being little there to impede
>this process) and bravely fled when offered a golden opportunity to
>back up his mouth with his chequebook.

>That is, of course, because he isn’t interested in discussing
>history – or anything else. He’s akin to the small child,
>stomping his feet on the floor and demanding attention. And,
>as he’s demonstrated in the past with his infantile behavior,
>he will say absolutely anything in order to provoke an
>argument – i.e., to get attention.

>Tiring of his endless stream of evasions, insults and outright
>lies, I offered him an opportunity to put his money where his
>mouth was, and demonstrate that he actually _believed_ the
>crap he serves up as his own pompous brand of historical “reality.”

>I offered to let an independent forensics lab determine the
>issue, at, I might add, my expense if it should determine that
>this crude fellow was correct.

>What prompted his immediate “advance to the rear,” of course,
>was the other side of the coin – that he would have to meet
>the cost, as a donation to the Nizkor Project, if his foolish
>contention turned out, as it must, to be completely, utterly
>worthless. At that point, hoisted firmly on his own petard,
>he ran like the cowardly bully he daily proves himself to be.

>For the details of my offer, I invite you to peruse
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mcvay-ken/put-up-shut-up.html

>I further invite you, and anyone else among the estimated
>70-Million internet users, to regularly and routinely remind
>this prevaricating failure of a man of his cowardice by
>providing references to the URL cited, and to the offer he so
>obviously dreads.

>This coward, Matt Giwer, is, as far as I can determine, a troller whose only
>interest is in causing fights. While he can sound superficially
>plausible, he has lied about what has been said in exchanges (while
>accusing others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to
>see posts which contain documented refutation of his claims (even when
>they have been emailed to him), engaged in actual libel, and generally
>conducted himself with such complete lack of intellectual and factual
>integrity that there seems to be no point in taking the time to read and
>respond.

>For many here, no greater compliment can accrue than to be insulted by
>this contemptable husk of a man.

>For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to

>URL https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/net-abuse/
>URL https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lie-freely-admitted.html
>URL http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/email/
>URL https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/plagarized-01.html
>URL https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/
>URL https://nizkor.org/encouragements/

>Followups to Giwer trolls should be redirected to Mr. Giwer’s special
>newsgroup, alt.bonehead.matt-giwer, where they will be appropriately
>ignored. If your site does not carry alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,
>redirect non-Holocaust articles to alt.politics.white-power,
>an equally vapid dumping ground for Giwerundian babblings.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Israeli provokes the end of peace
by
Matt Giwer (c) 1996 <9/26>

I find no way out of this conclusion. The facts are simple.
Israel opened a tunnel that has been known for decades and has
known for decades that Palestinians would not accept it being
opened.
Benjamin Netanyahu campaigned against the peace process. He
campaigned against giving away land and against the lands that
had been given away. His government has knowingly sabotaged the
peace process.
In addition to sabotaging the process Israel has moved into
territories that are independent Palestine and into territories
that are supposed to be self ruled by Palestinians. Clearly,
were the intention other than taking control of these areas the
IDF would only have to control the perimeter and prevent rock
throwing Palestinians from entering Israel. Rather than that,
they have invaded.
They have invaded with tanks and armored personnel carriers.
They have fired into crowds with gatling guns from helicopters.
They have initiated all of the shooting.
On the other hand, Arafat has called for his people to lay
down their arms, Israel has not issued such an order. A peace
seeking leader of Palestinians in Jerusalem was addressing a
crowd calling for peace. When he appeared to be succeeding he
and the people listening to him were attacked by Israeli police
and beaten.
Back to the tunnel. With the approval of Netanyahu (while he
was out of the country) he permitted Jerusalem to open the tunnel
knowing full well that it would cause a violent response from the
Palestinians. To make it official the mayor of Jerusalem
personally got in there with a sledgehammer to help open the
tunnel. That in itself was a clear provocation to the
Palestinians, in fact all Muslims.
That of course was bad enough a provocation. But that was
not enough for the Israeli government. Just to rub it in, the
mayor said that it was done for the purely mercenary purpose of
increasing tourism revenues. It is as though Palestinians had
taken over the Wailing Wall and sold billboard space on it.
Of course it is all a silly, Muslim superstition to think
that the tunnel has any significance. But then it is a similar
superstition to give any value the west wall of some long gone
ruins. What it was was a deliberate disregard of Muslim
religious feelings and beliefs solely to provoke a violent
Palestinian response.
And the purpose of provoking that response was to justify
Israel invading independent Palestine and areas under Palestinian
self rule and to terminate the peace process. With the one
provocation and the insult that it was done purely for money
(deliberately invoking hatred of jews by using the mercenary
stereotype, help I’m a stereotype) was clearly deliberate as no
one who knows the least thing about the area would have expected
anything different.
As this is clearly a deliberate provocation by Israel there
is more than just inciting a few riots and ending the peace
process in mind. The long range objective is clearly to take
back self rule and perhaps abolition of Palestine. But there is
more in the mix.
During the Intifada the only people with arms were small to
medium sized groups with questionable weapons and training.
Today there are 30,000 armed Palestinian police to shoot back.
Thus there is a question of the vulnerability of Israel to
outside military attack in defense of the nation of Palestine.
As that is an obvious risk, Israel has obviously planned to
take advantage of it should it happen. In fact an outside
military attack may be the ultimate objective of the provocation
as they unnecessarily invaded parts of Palestine and self ruled
regions. If I had access to intelligence I would expect to find
that the Israeli Defense Force went to full alert before the
tunnel was opened. And by that I mean their real military units
not just the troops that have moved in to kill Palestinians.
This is another opportunity to expand Israel in addition to
scuttling the peace process.
You may think the above is harsh but if history is any
guideline there are Israelis saying things publically about these
events that make what I have said appear like glowing praise.
But in the US the Israeli apologists appear to be in an uphill
battle to get their act together. It is clear that they first
have to cover the crass mercantile excuse of profits over peace.
On the other hand, in the US pointing out profits over peace
can be portrayed as anti-semitic so the clever strategist can
both insult Muslims and shut off US criticism by declaring it
anti-semitic. And should this slaughter of Palestinians continue
and given the likelihood of Syrian and perhaps Lebanese military
intervention, US support is going to be essential, even though
the US should walk away for it.
Certainly it is going to be difficult for the US to veto UN
condemnation of this deliberate provocation. It is going to be
interesting to see how this progresses. Maybe even a nuclear
exchange in the Middle East instigated by Israel of course. At
that point Iraq can be the saviour of Islam and only a foolish US
would continue to support Israel despite the political liability
at home.

* * * * *

Further distribution is encouraged by the author.

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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:11:08 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>The only traitors here are Nazi scumbags who defend and
>apologize for the Nazis, who murdered American POW’s in
>cold blood.

>Quoted from Evelyn Le Chene’s “Mauthausen”, p. 127:

> “In April 1945, nine American airmen were shot down. Four of
>them were brought to the camp in a large staff car. They were
>also made to stand against the wall and were interrogated by
>about fifteen SS-men. One fell dead at their feet; the other
>three were shot at the entrance to the crematorium”.

> “The crews baled out and some were shot while descending.
>Thirty-six airmen were brought to Mauthausen and interrogated
>in the bunker. Later, all were taken away by Wehrmacht
>officers. Five bodies of this group were brought back to
>Mauthausen for cremation. Nothing is known of what happened
>to the remaining thirty-one”.

I agree that there is no difference between the Nazis and the Israeli, both are
socialist, both murder … it is a long list.

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On 26 Sep 1996 15:07:52 GMT, [email protected] (andy riveria) wrote:

>In article , [email protected] says…
>>
>>In <51[email protected]> [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) writes:
>>
>>! You may have wondered why jews support the traitor Pollard.
>>!
>>! That is because he is a Jew and they are jews and american
>>! jews who support either are scum jew traitors.
>>!
>>! But then, why be redundant. I said they were jews.
>>!
>>! And not one Jew has spoken against any of them.
>>!
>>! They do stick together.
>>
>>Caution lest he be judged by the company he keeps.

>FACT: oliver north sold arms to iran

>FACT: at the time iran said there was a state of war between american
>and iran

>FACT: at the time iran was actively carrying out acts of terrroism
>against the united states around the world

>FACT: oliver north has confessed to an act of treason

>FACT: oliver north is a hero to the christian coalition

Two points here.

The first is trivial in that in the proper legal precedent he did not commit
treason, a legal technicality but true.

The major point is that if everyone were held to the standards you propose for
North then there are literally thousands of prosecutions to be made starting
with every present and past president on down their respective chains of
command.

And that is the problem with singling out North, it is a political not a legal
issue.

For example North selling arms to Iran. He certainly had at least six other
people up to and including the SECDEF at the time who had to approve such sales.
That would certainly include Reagan one way or another.

But on the other side, Speaker of the House Jim Wright went to Nicuragua and
supported the Sandanistas in the election and the Sandanistas were a declared
enemy of the US in the same manner as was Iran. And in such circumstance we can
also prosecute at least a dozen Hollywood types including Ed Asner and Jane
Fonda for the same aid and comfort giving.

If I had the time I could resurrect the Carter and Ford parallels to these
situations.

It is about time to admit that the Cold War was a very nasty time and the US
(all parts of it) did very nasty things during it.

It is more important to realize that it is over and call of the attack dogs
rather than encourage them to find new targets which they are now doing. It is
time to realize that there are going to be layoffs in more than just the combat
troops that we need the most but are the first to go.

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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:26:34 -0400, A Gryn wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>>
>> If you have a problem, post your complaints to
>>
>> [email protected]

>Yes, then Mike and I can have a good laugh while we work on the feed
>that I provide ICAN.

If you folks are really laughing I still have a few hundred of your mail bombs.
Are you saying that mcarr wants copies of all of them? I should be able to get
them all forwarded in about ten minutes. It is not worth automating with
eudora.

Mr. Carr’s email to me did not indicate that he was happy nor getting a laugh
out of yoru email but if you say that he is, who am I do deny him the simple
pleasures of life.

Would you like them back so you can share in the humor?

As I have noted I have not been able to save all of the thousands of your
mailbombs to me but I can return what I do have left.

So speak up. What do you want? What are you requesting me to send to Mr. Carr?
What are you requesting me to send to you?

Why are you suddenly sending from a new location?

It is also interesting that you are clearly making Mike Carr a partner in your
mail bombing. I would have thought it improper for an ISP to be involved in
mailbombing such as you have been doing. But if you are saying that Carr
supports your abuse of the net that is fine with me also. I will have no
problem sending him everything I have left of what you have sent me.

So what is it going to be?

Of course, he is getting a copy of this post.

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The four pieces of physical evidence of the extermination of
12 million people.

1) Ausrotten speech, suspected of being by Himmler, exists only
as a recording, not known if ever presented

2) Wannsee Protocol, which discusses forced emigration but
otherwise appears to have been unimplemented

3) Vergassnungkeller letter, which uses a word form theretofore
unknown in the German language that is construed to mean gas
chamber despite the composing words and the structure of the
sentence in which it is used.

4) insecticide traces, enough said

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On 25 Sep 1996 21:49:09 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>> Yahweh was one of the Elohim. Was that supposed to be a trick question?

> For you, Matt, “Is 1+1=2?” is a trick question!

Elohim is plural, schmuck.

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Israeli troops are in the independent Gaza Strip, to “control” citizens of
Palestine without the invitation of Arafat.

That is an invasion. That is murder. Demonstrations in Gaza are no business of
Israel. But then, tourists profits are more important than peace.

It is clearly a deliberate sabotage fo the peace process.
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On 25 Sep 1996 21:28:28 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>>On 23 Sep 1996 22:38:07 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:
>>> And who, pray tell, are the **”Bram Stocker”s and **”Bela Legosi”s of
>>>the Holocaust?
>> Those who invent stories of satanic laughter of pilots that can be
>>heard over the sound of their engines and other “eyewitnesses” the people like
>>McVay swear are telling the complete truth.

> Please give specific names and examples of who and where these claims
>were made by. Please give specific examples of where Ken McVay has claimed
>that “satanic laughter of pilots that can be heard over the sound of their
>engines”. The burden of proof is on you, Matt. You made the claims, you back
>them up.

Is it the purpose of you assholes to have me post the same response to questions
so many times that you can accuse me of spamming the individual answers? (Don’t
answer, that is rhetorical.) If you do not like satanic read DEVILISH right
here.

READ IT THIS TIME!!!

On 3 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA) wrote:

>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.016
>Last-modified: 1993/03/22

> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])

> [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]

> THE TRIAL OF THE EXECUTIONER OF SOBIBOR
> Shimon Kanz

>A jury of judges, prosecutors and defendors who arrived from
>Germany and headed by the Israeli judge Dr. Beniski, heard testimony for
>3 days at the court of Tel Aviv. The testimony was given by Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann who survived after the revolt and who had refused to go to
>Germany in order to testify at the trial of the executioners of Sobibor.
>Her testimony led to a loud and stubborn victory of the persecution
> over the defense. The more she continued in her descriptions of
>the hell she had experienced the more appeased the noise of the
>prosecutors and their questions and comments stopped and they lowered
>their heads.

>In the eyes of the Jewish judge, who himself had tasted the camps of
>Hitler, stood tears and his voice hardly found its way through throat.

Obviously not impartial but then this is Israel.

> SPECTACLES OF CRUELTY

>”Don’t ask me for exact dates”, said Mrs. Lichtmann to the provocating
>and torturing questions of the lawyers. “At that time no calender
>existed but on the other hand I remember the events of those days which
>I am describing because they will remain deeply rooted in my memory
>throughout my life.”

It appears that unlike the war crimes trials, the defense was permitted a
meaningful crossexamination.

>The awful depressed the mood and atmosphere of the courtroom. Horrow
>accompanied the route from Krakow from where the Germans had openly
>exiled her, through Miliz, Dubinki, Charaschow, and other places on the
>bloody road to Sobibor. Physical and mental pains, blows and
>humiliations. Her husband Mark Weismann was killed with stones during
>the work in the camp Postak.

“Stone him. Stone him.”

“Jehovah! Jehovah!”

Stoned? Who biblical. But maybe he really just inhaled.

>The strikes and blows of the SS-men and Ukrainians while passing the
>”Spalier” (their lines) before the entrance of the concentration points.

>Already at the beginning of her simple words the lips whispered
>automatically: “Is this possible?” From where did this woman with her
>delicate face and blue eyes, take the strength to endure these tortures?
>From where did she have the strength to tell again of her suffering?

She was a prostitute, professional witness and avoiding prosecution for her
treatment of women in the camps as were so many of the witnesses.

> DEVILISH LAUGHTER DEAFENS THE SCREAMING OF THE DYING

Devilish laughter. Melodrama testified to in court. The evil always laugh as
devilishly as they can. Ming the Merciless did it too.

Is any adult to take this seriously? Of course not. Only holohuggers believe
this sort of crap.

>She recalls events of Jews struck and shot on Dobinko. In Dobinko the
>Jews were loaded on wagon trains that went to Charabishow.

>Planes flew over the train shooting with machine guns into the wagons.
>They lowered the planes so that we could see the faces of pilots.

And the pilots were also shooting at the drivers and the engine/horses of these
wagons, depending upon translation.

And
>when they stopped the shooting for a while we heard them laughing. The
>devilish laughter deafened the screaming of those laughing.

Devilish laughter heard from pilots in the air over the noise of the engine.
Real true holohugger fantasy life here. And they could see the faces of pilots
>from inside closed wagons. This woman certainly has to be paid for this
performance.

>On the way somewhere near to Dubinko, they were taken out of the wagons
>and the men and women were forced to strip off their clothes and to
>begin dancing. The voice of Mrs. Lichtmann breaks off.

Ah, yes, dancing. Dancing to the devil’s tune no doubt. Very efficient these
Nazis.

>Her face reflects her feeling of tortures and inability to tell all. Her
>words shiver and only an echoe is heard of those awful days which
>had become from day to day more terrible.

A true whacko so far.

>They were kept on the ground only one day. It was fenced in with barbed
>wire and again they were loaded on the wagons, like cattle from the
>slaughter and brought to Sobibor. Usually the journey from Charobichow
>took several hours. But then it extended to eternity and no one,
>neither Mrs. Lichtmann nor someone else from the survivors, remembers
>how long they travelled in the closed wagons.

So who could remember how long they traveled in closed wagons when they could
remember the faces of the pilots from the closed wagons? This person is truly
psychotic.

>Nevertheless, the journey lasted for a few days and the German soldiers
>were amused by their victims. There on the station before Sobibor the
>Ukrainians broke into the wagons and plundered jewelry and those who did
>not succeed to take of the ring of their finger in time, had the ring
>taken off together with the finger… “You don’t need either the finger
>nor the ring any more” the wild Ukrainians consoled their victims! “Soon
>you will be broiled and soap will be made from you, dist”.

Certainly fingers were just pulled off.

Tell me the truth. This was written by Stephen King, right?

>The Polish farmers also waited in front of the entrance to Sobibor and
>shouted at the Jews in the transports. “Throw us your money, anyway it
>will not redeem you from death, you are going to the gas chamber.”

But it was a secret and the farmers could not know about it.

But here it is not a secret and they do know about it.

It is also an interesting speech. Maybe it translates to a chant.

You will note below that no one understood what was being said in the same
testimony.

> THE SPEECH TO THE TRANSPORTS

>The shouts of the Poles penetrated into the conscience of those weakened
>from hunger and thrust pains and agony and they started
>screaming and yelling thus deafening the camp.

>The SS-man Michel who was called by the camp inhabitants “the speaker”
>as he received the arrivals with a prepared speech, did not have what
> to say to the Polish Jews. Those were received with whips and
>gunshots. The Polish farmers also shouted at the Jews from Holland,
>Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Greece – but those did
>not understand the meaning of their shouts.

They did not understand the shouts. Then where did the translation of the chant
above come from? This witness?

>At their arrival to the camp they were welcomed with a speech by Michel:
>”You have to be disciplined. Strip off your clothes, make a nice bundle
>of them and attach them to the luggage, in order to recognize them
>immediately after the shower, because you will not receive other
>clothes here.”

Right, bundles of clothes. Every found a bundle of clothes. No one has.

>Among the transport of 7,000 men with whom Ada Lichtmann arrived in the
>year 1942 and who went on the same day to the gas chamber only three
>women survived chosen to work in the laundry. With an indication of his
>finger the SS-commander took her out of the line and asked her for
>profession. When she answered that she was a teacher he and his
>assistants broke out in laughter: “We will teach you to be a
>laundress… Choose two other girls.” Her closest friends Bela Sobol and
>Sarka Katz were already beyond the gate on the way to the crematorium,
>but she managed to get them out of the line.

In other words, like the soap threat earlier, she has no knowledge of what
happened after that point. The gassing all her fantasy.

>The Jews believed the Germans and in astonishing order they packed their
>belongings and after an hour not even one was alive, only a few
>craftsmen were allowed to survive.

But she has no way of knowing.

> SHOUTS GOING UP TO THE SKY IN THE NIGHT

>We three organized the laundry in the camp. Until then the German
>officers too were dirty and lice-infected. In the course of time the
>laundry was enlarged and women from other transports arriving daily were
>distributed to us. The judges realized how Mrs. Lichtmann hesitates in
>her narration and talk to her kindly: “Talk, remember as much as you
>can”.

They organized a non-existant laudry and then that non-existant laundry was
expanded.

Note here that the judge leads the witness. A typical war crimes tactic.

>The tension in the hall extended also to the memory of the woman. She
>feels the good eyes of Dr. Beinski on her and of the stenotypist, a
>Lieutenant in the police Mrs. Hela Koslowski who stops her tears while
>writing every word going out of her mouth.

>The Germans do not want to hear about what she knows to tell but what
>she has seen with her own eyes.

Who is it that does not want hearsay?

But how can she not tell about the
>shouts of women who arrived with the night transports.

That is a question and she can not tell because she did not witness it. What in
the hell does the author think witness means?

The heartbreaking
>shouts and screaming ceased for a moment and then once again beginning
>penetrating the limbs and soul. The SS-men boasted the next day that
>they raped the most beautiful women in front of the whole transport.

But she was not raped. Must have been real ugly.

>Generally the transports arrived during the day. Once on a hot summerday
>a transport arrived with thursty people as it had been for several
>days since they had tasted a drop of water. The SS-officer allowed some
>to go and fetch water, but there the “Unterscharfu”hrer” Michel was
>already waiting for them and he made them run to a dug uphole which
>served as a privy and forced them to smear their body and face with the
>excrement. And thus he brought them back to the thursty people of
>the transport. From another transport young men were forced to beat each
>other to death. The last one remaining from this terrible battle was
>shot by the Germans.

And all of this from what she did not witness. Quite amazing that this is
level of testimony that was introduced in capital trials. Even more interesting
that crossexamination was not permitted.

> HEROIC DEEDS IN SOBIBOR

>The stories of Mrs. Lichtmann and her husband whom she met in Sobibor
>after the revolt are horrifying.

>They tell how the semi-alive victims tried to maintain to the last
>moment not only their human faces but also their human soulds. They tell
>about women who tried to save their children and were desparately driven
>to perform heroic deeds: About young mothers who attempted with their
>own bodies to cover and to defend their children. They tell about the
>Jewish officer of the Spanish civil war who immediately after his
>arrival tried organizing a revolt. The Germans found out about it and
>they chose 72 men and sent them to the crematorium. This massacre was
>supervised by the “Oberscharfu”hrer” Frenzel whose trial is taking place
>at the present inferment. Returning from the scene of the murder he
>ordered the quick erection of a temporary stage out of some planks,
>called for the orchestra, gathered the women and told them to sing and
>dance.

Thank you, Steven Speilberg. Jewrassic Pork lives.

>This Frenzel once caught a boy red-handed, eating sardines, he gathered
>all the Jews from the barracks and in front of all he shot the child.

Eating sardines. Are they not Kosher?

>Sobibor did not become at once a concentration of plants and workshops.
>The camp gradually expanded, developed slowly, erecting all kind
>of workshops. There work was done only for the German officers and
>guards. Coats, dresses, furs were sewn there for them, their wives and
>mistresses. Very few Jews were sent to the forest to shop trees.
>Once the Jews of such a group attacked their guards, killed them and
>escaped. The Germans took revenge on other Jews. But all considered the
>heroism of the escaped as a miracle and dreamt of doing the same.

Giving the number of escapes from A-B and every camp this is old news.

> THE REBELLION COMMITTEE

>Sasha Pizurski who was brought to the camp with a group of prisoners of
>the Russian army immediately formed a committee to prepare a revolt. To
>this committee belonged also the heroes Leibl Feldhendler, Shaul
>Felischmann and others who strongly detested the Germans and had decided
>revenge.

Excuse me. It took people who detested to Germans to arrive to organize this
and yet the people there knew of 95%+ being gassed by them?

>In the barracks weapons were started to appear: axes and knives. How
>dangerous this was! How much courage, cunning, patience you had to use
>in order to conceal this. Many efforst of the spirit and mind, will and
>courage had to be used to take guns, rifles, bullets from the
>storehouses. The participants of this operation were divided into
>groups. The plan was worked out to the smallest details: Every group
>and its duties – really imaginative tasks: Some had to assault the
>guardtowers where the guards sat with machineguns; some had to tempt
>the officers into coming into the workshops; others had to attack the
>guards that were wandering about. Special men had to cut off the
>telephone and electricity lines and tear down the barbed wires – to make
>passage ways.

But gassing most of the arrivals was not enough.

> THE MALIGNENT BLOOD OF THE SS-MEN IS SHED

>The revolt was fixed for October 14, 1943. 700 condemned to death
>enthusiastically took their fate into their own hands. Until the
>prearranged sign was given every group had performed its tasks well.
>Nevertheless things which had not been expected in advance happened.
>Guns started firing from both sides, axes and knives greedy for blood
>shone in the air and the whole camp changed into a battlefield. On this
>day, October 14, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon there began on the
>hellground of Sobibor the shedding of the malignent blood of the SS-men
>and their Ukrainian assistants. Those who had been so sure of themselves
>when millions of innocent women and children were led to death, seemed
>now anxious and inferior, they became confused and ran like mice into
>the trap looking for a hiding place.

Sobibor gasse millions. How can the world have missed this.

>The SS-men and the police pursued the escapers. They mobilized airplanes
>and the Polish farmers of the area to help them pursue the fleeing Jews.
>Only a few pitied the victims and did not hand them over to the Germans.
>Out of 700 escaping from Sobibor only about 30 survived. Also Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann and two of her friends, one of them a Polish woman called
>Alina Stern-Sofermann, who is living in Israel succeeded, with help of
>some young Poles, in arriving to the partisans in the woods of Parzew
>and continued their war against the German army. But until they reached
>the forest they wandered around day and night around the camp, living
>of tree leaves and poisonous mushrooms that so burned their
>intestines that they wished to die.

They did not live off of them.

>They lowered their eyes and one of them was turning his head from side
>to side replied: “No, we did not easily agree to accept such a mission.
>It was forced upon us officially”. And the second added: “Its a good
>thing that you did not agree to come to Germany,,,, so we were enabled
>to come to Israel, a wonderful journey.” One of the present in the hall
>heard this conversation said: “The blood of the Jews shed by the Germans
>flowed like a river. Don’t you think that by defending the murderers you
>emphasize the responsibility of the German people of what took place.”
>The two defenders ignoring the question avoided answering and the
>question remained unanswered.

Most likely they would have been shot for doing so. That is the way the
holocaust works.

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On 25 Sep 1996 13:04:37 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>
>> I wonder if the ten hour ventilation time has anything to do with the
>> long promised Degesh pub not showing up before.
>
>> Source: Zyklon for Pest Control, Degesch Publication
>> persons from entering. Time of exposure depends on the type of pests to
>> be attacked; for the
>> destruction of the various types of moths and their pre-adult stages 24
>> hours will suffice, against
>> other kinds of insect pests one should fumigate for 48 hours. If there
>> are any dense stowages or
>> bulkss of commodities to penetrate, the time of exposure may need to be
>> extended to 72 hours.

> Sounds like the perfect material to kill flies in an environment where
>people work. Giwer has claimed that is the use to which ZB was put. Anybody
>with the least bit of knowledge knows that to prevent maggots you must
>disinfect twice a day. Since each disinfection would take 48-72 hours that
>would mean . . . . . . .

> Tell us, Matty poo, how many hours are in a day?

Not enough to cremate the imaginary number of bodies. We all know that.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Acceptance makes truth
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On 25 Sep 1996 22:00:26 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:

>[email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>> You keep threatening law suits, Matty poo. Someday you might be
>>drunk enough to actually do something. Remember that the judge will be very
>>unhappy when he catches you lying.

> Assuming Matt doesn’t recieve contempt of court for insulting the
>judge…

You are a very gullible little freak are you not.

It is not the business of a judge to catch anyone in lying else he would doing
the job of the attorneys. But you still believe YFE is an attorney.

Perhaps he is but then he is a statement on the state of the legal system in
Pennsylvania.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 21:15:04 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Israel murdered again
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 11:05:52 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
># [email protected] (william c anderson) wrote:

>## But Matt–I thought Israelis didn’t speak Hebrew…

># I said about 1 in a 100 speak it. Now you are talking about
># reading it.

>So, you’re claiming they speak English in Israel, and all the
>major newspapers are written in Hebrew…

>Great God. Have mercy on us all.

I am claiming that Alec Grynspan speaks fluent Hebrew as does Netanyahu and
Richard Schultz. In fact all of Schutz’s classes are conducted in Hebrew while
everyone wears a beanie.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 00:54:58 PDT 1996
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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:07:23 GMT, [email protected] (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>[email protected] (Ursus Major) wrote:

>>[email protected] (Daniel Swan) wrote:

>>*Andrew Mathis ([email protected]) wrote:
>>*
>>*: Strong military w/expansionism (see Ethiopia), a desire toward
>>*: homogeneity in language and culture, dictatorial rule with a
>>*: personality cult, anti-democratic rule by decree.
>>*
>>*Thank you, Mr. Mathis, for an answer much along the lines I was
>>*seeking. Does anyone have anything else to add to this?
>>*
>>*Can Fascism sans Racism make for a viable and stable government?
>>*
>>*–
>>Randy Andy’s pronuciemento hardly describes Franco’s regime, which
>>most would call “fascist.” No military adventurism (which is more
>>along the lines of “imperialist” than fascist).

>Except for continuous hegemony over Portugal and the Basques…

>>The cult of a Leader
>>is really the _sine qua non_ of fascism–following the dictum of
>>Thomas Carlyle: “Find the most qualified man, and make him _king_!”

>>What a great deal of autonomy (incl. democratic methods) can exist at
>>the regional level, in a fascist state at the >national< level the >>ultimate arbiter is the Leader. (In the US, it’s nine black-robed
>>shamans.)

>Don’t forget that two of them are JOOOOOOS!

How could anyone forget JOOOOS. If you get close to forgetting a Babs Streisand
type will stick her nose in your face.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 00:54:59 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Israeli attack on the Liberty was cold blooded murder.
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:48:53 -0400, A Gryn wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>>
>> If you promote the obvious lies of Israel then you are a traitor to the US.
>>
>> Is that clear enough for you?

>But every time you’re challenged about the lies you bring up nothing but
>BS, Matt.

>If anything, the biggest problem about Israel and the USS Liberty was
>that they stopped as soon as it turned out that the Liberty was a US spy
>ship. They should have simply sunk the Liberty, with all hands. Then
>there wouldn’t be anybody to lie about the incident and claim to have
>been there.

Excuse me. You also are calling the israeli story a lie. They said nothing
about it being a spy ship. It is good to see you are at least honest enough to
admit Israel lied about the incident.

In fact your admission supports everything I have said and in particular that it
was deliberate murder.

>Oh, yes – I’m not a traitor, Matt.

As you have dual citizenship with Canada and Israel, you have nothing to do with
the US.

And it is good to learn from your fellow holohuggers that you speak fluent
Hebrew. You never mentioned that talent.

A Gryn

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 00:55:00 PDT 1996
Article: 69171 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust/UFO Analogy
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On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:15:53 -0800, [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (tom
>moran) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>
>> > [email protected] “tom moran” writes:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> The Holocaust story is one that is mostly supported by
>> >> “eyewitness” accounts of what they saw.
>> >>
>> >> UFO stories are largely based on “eyewitness” accounts of what
>> >> they saw.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >Why aren’t people who question UFOs branded anti-Semitic?
>>
>> Damn interesting question.

>You find Elvis yet, Moran?

Gassing is still all testimony without physical evidence. Nice try at a
distraction, though.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 00:55:00 PDT 1996
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On 25 Sep 1996 23:50:25 -0400, [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>> Make the average age 40 (if a random sample between ordination and life
>>expectency) and take it over seven years then there is about 20% deaths from
>>simple old age.

>Matt, will you never cease to come up with new subjects on which to
>post complete nonsensical bullshit? About 6% of any population can expect
>to die in their forties. If the average age was 40 on entrance to a camp,
>and *all* entered the camp 7 years before liberation (your strange
>assumption, not mine), one could expect about 4% to have died of more or
>less natural causes. (I’m not basing this on Polish prewar statistics,
>which would be ideal, but on another population sample. You’re welcome
>to post Polish actuarial tables from the 1930s if you have them. But since
>this is probably not available from your favorite Nazi-wannabe web
>sites, I doubt you’ll trouble yourself to get off your ass for a little
>education.)

But you know that KEREN claimed the deaths had to be murder without posting such
information. You should realize that makes Keren the PhD CS type the primary
fool on this subject. You should be addressing your points to him.

>What is this thrill you get out of showing what an idiot you are, Matt?
>Do you think that being a polymath idiot is better than being an idiot
>in just one or two subjects?

Yes, you are as ignorant as Keren. At least two holohuggers have so far agreed
that Keren is an idiot on the subject. You obviously are an idiot also.

Now where are all the rabbis?
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 00:55:01 PDT 1996
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On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:55:12 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>
> There are many allusions by the Holocaust dependents that tens of
>thousands, hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of Jews were
>slaughtered and dumped into massive excavations, burnt and buried,
>buried unburnt and/or, buried, dug up, burnt and then reburied.

Only dug up and burnt so that their bodies would not be complete as an ultimate
religious evil by the satanic nazis.

It is amazing what superstitious jewish beliefs pass for reality in this world
(appended my demonic laughter here.)

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 00:55:02 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Israel murdered again
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On 25 Sep 1996 20:21:42 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>: On 23 Sep 1996 05:05:46 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
>: wrote:

>: >But Matt–I thought Israelis didn’t speak Hebrew…
>:
>: I said about 1 in a 100 speak it.

>Actually, you said it was a dead language.

I said it was dead 2000 years ago. I did not address the fanatical zionists
reviving it as a matter of religious inclination about 100 years ago. It is
still not more than a matter of religious fanaticism.

No one knowing anything about linguistics can pretend that it is anything other
than a faked form of the language. The words are fit into a modern language
structure. Hebrew is a language that uses the term “tail like the cedars of
Lebanon” to refer to the penis of a water buffalo. That is Hebrew.

Hebrew is an eastern poetic and allegoric language. If in Hebrew you do not
express a miracle to emphasize an important event you are not speaking Hebrew.
If you use the language analytically you are simply imposing code words on top
of a linguistic contruct totally alien to it.

>: Now you are talking about reading it. Want to go for idiot of year?

>Ah, I see. They don’t speak it, but they publish all their newspapers
>in it.

I have never denied there is a market for a one in a hundred reader newspaper.
That is about the market for major foreign language publications in this
country.

Now the point holohuggers have to establish is that hebrew is the OFFICIAL
language of Israel to the point where government business and all related is
conducted. People like Grynspan and Schulz need to declare not only their
spoken fluency in hebrew that they did/do use it in the normal course of daily
life in Israel.

Not that that will ever happen but they will pretend to claim it while not
actually saying it in a legal sense.

It is going to be quite interesting to ask how chemistry is taught in an
allegorical language.

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On 24 Sep 1996 15:31:26 GMT, [email protected] (Richard Schultz) wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>: On 21 Sep 1996 21:52:53 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:

>:: Giwer’s response has been to claim that the Zimmermann telegram is a
>:: well-known hoax and has been known to be so since 1925. I have challenged
>:: him to provide evidence of this.)

>: I no longer have copies of my grade school history books. How did you
>: miss it? Go to a public school?

>So why won’t you tell us the name of the elite private grade school that
>you attended? From that information, it should be possible to determine
>out of what history books you were taught, and what they have to say about
>the Zimmerman telegram. I will happily confess that I went to a public
>school, and we were definitely *not* taught that the Zimmerman telegram
>was a forgery (although we *were* taught that it was a factor in the US
>decision to enter WW I).

That would make it too easy for you. But you are making the kind of foolish
assumption I expect.

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Hey folks, save this one. It is another one sworn to by NIZKOR itself. Do not
miss this one.

On 24 Sep 1996 07:24:54 -0700, [email protected] (Nizkor Canada)
wrote:

>Archive/File: camps/aktion.reinhard/sobibor/staff/wagner.gustav
>Last-modified: 1993/04/18

>”Oberschafuhrer Gustav Wagner

Note that his name if WAGNER.

>”The man who actually supervised the routine and daily life at Sobibor was
>Gustav Wagner. He was the quartermaster-sergeant of the camp. Moshe Bahir
>described him:

> “He was a handsome man, tall and blonde — a pure Aryan.

There is no such thing as Aryan but Moses recognizes it immediately even though
blond adults were a rarity.

In civilian
> life he was, no doubt, a well-mannered man; at Sobibor he was a wild
> beast. His lust to kill knew no bounds.

The SEX connection, a LUST to kill. Real LUST here. Give him lust and nothing
but.

I saw such terrible scenes
> that they give me nightmares to this day. He would snatch babies from
> their mothers’ arms and tear them to pieces in his hands.

Who is this guy, really? Sampson? Tearing babies to pieces with his bare
hands?

Think about it a minute. Tearing babies apart. Has anyone ever tried tearing
apart and uncooked chicken without a knife? How about a rabbit? You have not
tried it?

Fine, go buy a whole chicken, much smaller than a human baby and tear it apart
with your bare hands.

Now that you are exhausted to no success in this tearing apart a many days dead
carcass, what do you think of this claim? You still believe it? You have to be
jewish.

I saw him
> beat two men to death with a rifle, because they did not carry out his
> instructions properly, since they did not understand German. I
> remember that one night a group of youths aged fifteen or sixteen
> arrived in the camp. The head of this group was one Abraham. After a
> long and arduous work day, this young man collapsed on his pallet and
> fell asleep. Suddenly Wagner came into our barrack, and Abraham did
> not hear him call to stand up at once before him. Furious, he pulled
> Abraham naked off his bed and began to beat him all over his body.
> When Wagner grew weary of the blows, he took out his revolver and
> killed him on the spot. This atrocious spectacle was carried out
> before all of us, including Abraham’s younger brother. <1>

Is this not a wonderful description. First he beats people to death with a
rifle (quite a difficult proposition but simple to those who believe he could
tear infants apart with his bare hands) and then he beats a man with his bear
hands. And fhen finally he pulls out a non-regulation revolver and shoots him.
Not a Lugar, not a Vis, but a revolver. And noting that earlier he beat a man
to death with a rifle instead of simply shooting him with the rifle.

Ah well, those wild and crazy guys were at it again.

>”Wagner’s ruthless behavior toward the Jews is mentioned in some other
>testimonies of Sobibor survivors. Ada Lichtman writes that on the fast day
>of Yom Kippur, Wagner appeared at the roll call, took out some prisoners,
>gave them bread and ordered them to eat. As the prisoners ate the bread, he
>laughed loudly; he enjoyed his joke because he knew the Jews he had forced
>to eat were pious. <2>

He forced them to violate their religion and laughed. Does not every
manifestation of pure demonic evil laugh? Real evil is people like the murderer
of Paula Klass. Real evil is people like Dahlmer. Real evil does not laugh.
But melodramtic, poor fiction evil always laughs.

Is there any difference in principle from this “laughing” and Count Dracula, aka
Bela Legosi laughing? Why is it that evil only laughs in stories and not in
real life?

>”Gustav Wagner escaped after the war to Brazil, where he lived openly. The
>Brazilian Supreme Court refused to extradite him. In October 1980 his
>attorney announced that Wagner had committed suicide.”

Ah, yes, and Count Dracula escaped to England where he was later reported dead
to Van Helsing but lived again in the sequals.

><1> Publication of the Museum of the Combatants and Partisans, Tel Aviv,
> April, 1973, p.37
><2> Ada Lichtman. Yad Vashem Archives, L-11/5, testimony of Ada Lichtman
> pp. 36-37

>Excerpted from….———————————————-
>BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA – the Operation Reinhard Death Camps
>Indiana University Press – Yitzhak Arad, 1987. ISBN 0-253-3429-7

Ah, yes, the collection of melodramatic fairy tales that impresses immature
idiots.

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On 24 Sep 1996 06:05:43 GMT, [email protected] (Richard Schultz) wrote:

>Capt. Peter Peachfuzz ([email protected]) wrote:

>: And, as you such a student of the German language, you know, as in
>: Leichenkellar, the compounding of two words does not necessarily have any
>: relationship to the two words taken separately.

>And perhaps you, as such a student of the German language, would care
>to tell us something of the etymology of the word “Nizkor,” which you
>have claimed is of German origin?

>—–
>Richard Schultz [email protected]
>Department of Chemistry tel: 972-3-531-8065
>Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
>—–
>”It is terrible to die of thirst in the ocean. Do you have to salt your
>truth so heavily that it does not even quench thirst any more?”
On 3 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA) wrote:

>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.016
>Last-modified: 1993/03/22

> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])

> [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]

> THE TRIAL OF THE EXECUTIONER OF SOBIBOR
> Shimon Kanz

>A jury of judges, prosecutors and defendors who arrived from
>Germany and headed by the Israeli judge Dr. Beniski, heard testimony for
>3 days at the court of Tel Aviv. The testimony was given by Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann who survived after the revolt and who had refused to go to
>Germany in order to testify at the trial of the executioners of Sobibor.
>Her testimony led to a loud and stubborn victory of the persecution
> over the defense. The more she continued in her descriptions of
>the hell she had experienced the more appeased the noise of the
>prosecutors and their questions and comments stopped and they lowered
>their heads.

>In the eyes of the Jewish judge, who himself had tasted the camps of
>Hitler, stood tears and his voice hardly found its way through throat.

Obviously not impartial but then this is Israel.

> SPECTACLES OF CRUELTY

>”Don’t ask me for exact dates”, said Mrs. Lichtmann to the provocating
>and torturing questions of the lawyers. “At that time no calender
>existed but on the other hand I remember the events of those days which
>I am describing because they will remain deeply rooted in my memory
>throughout my life.”

It appears that unlike the war crimes trials, the defense was permitted a
meaningful crossexamination.

>The awful depressed the mood and atmosphere of the courtroom. Horrow
>accompanied the route from Krakow from where the Germans had openly
>exiled her, through Miliz, Dubinki, Charaschow, and other places on the
>bloody road to Sobibor. Physical and mental pains, blows and
>humiliations. Her husband Mark Weismann was killed with stones during
>the work in the camp Postak.

“Stone him. Stone him.”

“Jehovah! Jehovah!”

Stoned? Who biblical. But maybe he really just inhaled.

>The strikes and blows of the SS-men and Ukrainians while passing the
>”Spalier” (their lines) before the entrance of the concentration points.

>Already at the beginning of her simple words the lips whispered
>automatically: “Is this possible?” From where did this woman with her
>delicate face and blue eyes, take the strength to endure these tortures?
>From where did she have the strength to tell again of her suffering?

She was a prostitute, professional witness and avoiding prosecution for her
treatment of women in the camps as were so many of the witnesses.

> DEVILISH LAUGHTER DEAFENS THE SCREAMING OF THE DYING

Devilish laughter. Melodrama testified to in court. The evil always laugh as
devilishly as they can. Ming the Merciless did it too.

Is any adult to take this seriously? Of course not. Only holohuggers believe
this sort of crap.

>She recalls events of Jews struck and shot on Dobinko. In Dobinko the
>Jews were loaded on wagon trains that went to Charabishow.

>Planes flew over the train shooting with machine guns into the wagons.
>They lowered the planes so that we could see the faces of pilots.

And the pilots were also shooting at the drivers and the engine/horses of these
wagons, depending upon translation.

And
>when they stopped the shooting for a while we heard them laughing. The
>devilish laughter deafened the screaming of those laughing.

Devilish laughter heard from pilots in the air over the noise of the engine.
Real true holohugger fantasy life here. And they could see the faces of pilots
>from inside closed wagons. This woman certainly has to be paid for this
performance.

>On the way somewhere near to Dubinko, they were taken out of the wagons
>and the men and women were forced to strip off their clothes and to
>begin dancing. The voice of Mrs. Lichtmann breaks off.

Ah, yes, dancing. Dancing to the devil’s tune no doubt. Very efficient these
Nazis.

>Her face reflects her feeling of tortures and inability to tell all. Her
>words shiver and only an echoe is heard of those awful days which
>had become from day to day more terrible.

A true whacko so far.

>They were kept on the ground only one day. It was fenced in with barbed
>wire and again they were loaded on the wagons, like cattle from the
>slaughter and brought to Sobibor. Usually the journey from Charobichow
>took several hours. But then it extended to eternity and no one,
>neither Mrs. Lichtmann nor someone else from the survivors, remembers
>how long they travelled in the closed wagons.

So who could remember how long they traveled in closed wagons when they could
remember the faces of the pilots from the closed wagons? This person is truly
psychotic.

>Nevertheless, the journey lasted for a few days and the German soldiers
>were amused by their victims. There on the station before Sobibor the
>Ukrainians broke into the wagons and plundered jewelry and those who did
>not succeed to take of the ring of their finger in time, had the ring
>taken off together with the finger… “You don’t need either the finger
>nor the ring any more” the wild Ukrainians consoled their victims! “Soon
>you will be broiled and soap will be made from you, dist”.

Certainly fingers were just pulled off.

Tell me the truth. This was written by Stephen King, right?

>The Polish farmers also waited in front of the entrance to Sobibor and
>shouted at the Jews in the transports. “Throw us your money, anyway it
>will not redeem you from death, you are going to the gas chamber.”

But it was a secret and the farmers could not know about it.

But here it is not a secret and they do know about it.

It is also an interesting speech. Maybe it translates to a chant.

You will note below that no one understood what was being said in the same
testimony.

> THE SPEECH TO THE TRANSPORTS

>The shouts of the Poles penetrated into the conscience of those weakened
>from hunger and thrust pains and agony and they started
>screaming and yelling thus deafening the camp.

>The SS-man Michel who was called by the camp inhabitants “the speaker”
>as he received the arrivals with a prepared speech, did not have what
> to say to the Polish Jews. Those were received with whips and
>gunshots. The Polish farmers also shouted at the Jews from Holland,
>Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Greece – but those did
>not understand the meaning of their shouts.

They did not understand the shouts. Then where did the translation of the chant
above come from? This witness?

>At their arrival to the camp they were welcomed with a speech by Michel:
>”You have to be disciplined. Strip off your clothes, make a nice bundle
>of them and attach them to the luggage, in order to recognize them
>immediately after the shower, because you will not receive other
>clothes here.”

Right, bundles of clothes. Every found a bundle of clothes. No one has.

>Among the transport of 7,000 men with whom Ada Lichtmann arrived in the
>year 1942 and who went on the same day to the gas chamber only three
>women survived chosen to work in the laundry. With an indication of his
>finger the SS-commander took her out of the line and asked her for
>profession. When she answered that she was a teacher he and his
>assistants broke out in laughter: “We will teach you to be a
>laundress… Choose two other girls.” Her closest friends Bela Sobol and
>Sarka Katz were already beyond the gate on the way to the crematorium,
>but she managed to get them out of the line.

In other words, like the soap threat earlier, she has no knowledge of what
happened after that point. The gassing all her fantasy.

>The Jews believed the Germans and in astonishing order they packed their
>belongings and after an hour not even one was alive, only a few
>craftsmen were allowed to survive.

But she has no way of knowing.

> SHOUTS GOING UP TO THE SKY IN THE NIGHT

>We three organized the laundry in the camp. Until then the German
>officers too were dirty and lice-infected. In the course of time the
>laundry was enlarged and women from other transports arriving daily were
>distributed to us. The judges realized how Mrs. Lichtmann hesitates in
>her narration and talk to her kindly: “Talk, remember as much as you
>can”.

They organized a non-existant laudry and then that non-existant laundry was
expanded.

Note here that the judge leads the witness. A typical war crimes tactic.

>The tension in the hall extended also to the memory of the woman. She
>feels the good eyes of Dr. Beinski on her and of the stenotypist, a
>Lieutenant in the police Mrs. Hela Koslowski who stops her tears while
>writing every word going out of her mouth.

>The Germans do not want to hear about what she knows to tell but what
>she has seen with her own eyes.

Who is it that does not want hearsay?

But how can she not tell about the
>shouts of women who arrived with the night transports.

That is a question and she can not tell because she did not witness it. What in
the hell does the author think witness means?

The heartbreaking
>shouts and screaming ceased for a moment and then once again beginning
>penetrating the limbs and soul. The SS-men boasted the next day that
>they raped the most beautiful women in front of the whole transport.

But she was not raped. Must have been real ugly.

>Generally the transports arrived during the day. Once on a hot summerday
>a transport arrived with thursty people as it had been for several
>days since they had tasted a drop of water. The SS-officer allowed some
>to go and fetch water, but there the “Unterscharfu”hrer” Michel was
>already waiting for them and he made them run to a dug uphole which
>served as a privy and forced them to smear their body and face with the
>excrement. And thus he brought them back to the thursty people of
>the transport. From another transport young men were forced to beat each
>other to death. The last one remaining from this terrible battle was
>shot by the Germans.

And all of this from what she did not witness. Quite amazing that this is
level of testimony that was introduced in capital trials. Even more interesting
that crossexamination was not permitted.

> HEROIC DEEDS IN SOBIBOR

>The stories of Mrs. Lichtmann and her husband whom she met in Sobibor
>after the revolt are horrifying.

>They tell how the semi-alive victims tried to maintain to the last
>moment not only their human faces but also their human soulds. They tell
>about women who tried to save their children and were desparately driven
>to perform heroic deeds: About young mothers who attempted with their
>own bodies to cover and to defend their children. They tell about the
>Jewish officer of the Spanish civil war who immediately after his
>arrival tried organizing a revolt. The Germans found out about it and
>they chose 72 men and sent them to the crematorium. This massacre was
>supervised by the “Oberscharfu”hrer” Frenzel whose trial is taking place
>at the present inferment. Returning from the scene of the murder he
>ordered the quick erection of a temporary stage out of some planks,
>called for the orchestra, gathered the women and told them to sing and
>dance.

Thank you, Steven Speilberg. Jewrassic Pork lives.

>This Frenzel once caught a boy red-handed, eating sardines, he gathered
>all the Jews from the barracks and in front of all he shot the child.

Eating sardines. Are they not Kosher?

>Sobibor did not become at once a concentration of plants and workshops.
>The camp gradually expanded, developed slowly, erecting all kind
>of workshops. There work was done only for the German officers and
>guards. Coats, dresses, furs were sewn there for them, their wives and
>mistresses. Very few Jews were sent to the forest to shop trees.
>Once the Jews of such a group attacked their guards, killed them and
>escaped. The Germans took revenge on other Jews. But all considered the
>heroism of the escaped as a miracle and dreamt of doing the same.

Giving the number of escapes from A-B and every camp this is old news.

> THE REBELLION COMMITTEE

>Sasha Pizurski who was brought to the camp with a group of prisoners of
>the Russian army immediately formed a committee to prepare a revolt. To
>this committee belonged also the heroes Leibl Feldhendler, Shaul
>Felischmann and others who strongly detested the Germans and had decided
>revenge.

Excuse me. It took people who detested to Germans to arrive to organize this
and yet the people there knew of 95%+ being gassed by them?

>In the barracks weapons were started to appear: axes and knives. How
>dangerous this was! How much courage, cunning, patience you had to use
>in order to conceal this. Many efforst of the spirit and mind, will and
>courage had to be used to take guns, rifles, bullets from the
>storehouses. The participants of this operation were divided into
>groups. The plan was worked out to the smallest details: Every group
>and its duties – really imaginative tasks: Some had to assault the
>guardtowers where the guards sat with machineguns; some had to tempt
>the officers into coming into the workshops; others had to attack the
>guards that were wandering about. Special men had to cut off the
>telephone and electricity lines and tear down the barbed wires – to make
>passage ways.

But gassing most of the arrivals was not enough.

> THE MALIGNENT BLOOD OF THE SS-MEN IS SHED

>The revolt was fixed for October 14, 1943. 700 condemned to death
>enthusiastically took their fate into their own hands. Until the
>prearranged sign was given every group had performed its tasks well.
>Nevertheless things which had not been expected in advance happened.
>Guns started firing from both sides, axes and knives greedy for blood
>shone in the air and the whole camp changed into a battlefield. On this
>day, October 14, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon there began on the
>hellground of Sobibor the shedding of the malignent blood of the SS-men
>and their Ukrainian assistants. Those who had been so sure of themselves
>when millions of innocent women and children were led to death, seemed
>now anxious and inferior, they became confused and ran like mice into
>the trap looking for a hiding place.

Sobibor gasse millions. How can the world have missed this.

>The SS-men and the police pursued the escapers. They mobilized airplanes
>and the Polish farmers of the area to help them pursue the fleeing Jews.
>Only a few pitied the victims and did not hand them over to the Germans.
>Out of 700 escaping from Sobibor only about 30 survived. Also Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann and two of her friends, one of them a Polish woman called
>Alina Stern-Sofermann, who is living in Israel succeeded, with help of
>some young Poles, in arriving to the partisans in the woods of Parzew
>and continued their war against the German army. But until they reached
>the forest they wandered around day and night around the camp, living
>of tree leaves and poisonous mushrooms that so burned their
>intestines that they wished to die.

They did not live off of them.

>They lowered their eyes and one of them was turning his head from side
>to side replied: “No, we did not easily agree to accept such a mission.
>It was forced upon us officially”. And the second added: “Its a good
>thing that you did not agree to come to Germany,,,, so we were enabled
>to come to Israel, a wonderful journey.” One of the present in the hall
>heard this conversation said: “The blood of the Jews shed by the Germans
>flowed like a river. Don’t you think that by defending the murderers you
>emphasize the responsibility of the German people of what took place.”
>The two defenders ignoring the question avoided answering and the
>question remained unanswered.

Most likely they would have been shot for doing so. That is the way the
holocaust works.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 00:55:05 PDT 1996
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On 25 Sep 1996 20:24:25 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>: On 22 Sep 1996 19:53:26 GMT, [email protected] (Milton Kleim) wrote:

>: >William L. Pierce, Ph.D., the author, thinks you’re supposed to PAY for
>: >his hateful book. Someone has seen to it you don’t have to.
>:
>: >Normally $12, available to you free of charge at:

>: Thank you.
>:
>: It has been reported.

>So now you’re netcopping for the National Alliance, Matt?

>Gee–first you make pudding out of your claim that you aren’t an
>antisemite, and now it looks like you’re gonna do the same for
>your claim that you’re not a nazi. This should be fun.

I report simple theft of intellectual property that is in violation of US and
international law regarding protection of intellectual property.

Do you have a problem with that? If so, why?

Or do you hold that it is moral to harm a person for a personal just cause? And
does that mean you are jewish?

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 08:58:18 PDT 1996
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You should see this, folks.

The evil one laughs demonically.

The evil one has short, blond hair. (Aryan, perhaps?)

Poor tank girl is sexually abused.

She is forced to work under inhuman conditions.

There is nothing in this comic book fantasy movie different from the stories of
the evil Nazis.

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Laugh Nazis

Drink Nazis, drink

but first we make them strip naked

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 08:58:19 PDT 1996
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 22:47:27 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:

># Don’t forget that in 1616 Sylvie de la Plaine testified that
># the Devil’s semen is cold.

>You don’t say. BTW, don’t forget the lunatics who make all
>kinds of claims about “British paratroopers” being “killed
>in their sleep (!!)” in Palestine.

># And that two million Americans believe they have been abducted
># by aliens.

>And quite a few Brits still believe in this trash about the
>King David Hotel being “blown up”… There are sure strange
>people in this world.

You mean that Jew terrorists did not plant a bomb there and kill Brits for no
reason other than terroism? How Palestinian of them. But then jews have always
been murderers just as they are right now as they incite religious passions for
simple monetary gains in tourism.

Any tourist in Israel at any time in the future is rewarding the deliberate
murder of Palestinians and the deliberate destruction of the peace process in
Israel.

Money before peace as the mayor of Jerusalem said.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 08:58:20 PDT 1996
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On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:08:14 -0400, [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:

>[email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>[a bunch of theorizing]

>> So where are the mass graves, exactly? Just one or two of them?
>> No one seems to know,

>(sigh)

>We know exactly where the ashes are buried: in Auschwitz, in Treblinka,
>in Belzec, in Sobibor, in Majdanek, in Chelmno. Andrew Allen, a frequent
>”revisionist” poster to this forum, has confirmed that core samples taken
>at Treblinka found ashes and human remains to a depth of seven meters,
>for example.

>I’m sorry to break it to you, but just because nobody has done your current
>favorite form of analysis of the sites does not mean the Holocaust never
>happened.

Sorry to break it to you but there is absolutely no physical evidence that what
you “know” is true. We all know there is no physical evidence of these insane
jewish claims of mass extermination despite 50 years of attempts to find
physical evidence supporting the insane jewish claims.

Get over it. There is no evidence for these insane jewish claims.

There was never any expectation of such claims. The wildly superstitious
European Jews never intended to speak factually. It was their intention to tell
exaggerated stories.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 08:58:21 PDT 1996
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In case anyone missed it, the violation of my copyright by Nizkor proves that
holohuggers are thieves.

They are not fit for civilized society.

CC: israel-mfa (again) proving Israel supports copyright violation in listing
Nizkor.

Jews are clearly thieves by their actions.
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On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:31:36 -0700, [email protected] (Rajiv K.
Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> On Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:03:34 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>>
>> >https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images
>>
>> >Thekla1.jpg, Thekla2.jpg, Thekla3.jpg:
>>
>> >The Thekla atrocity: inmates burned alive by the Nazis.
>>
>> Another Nazi miracle, no signs of fire damage but burned alive.

>Actually, you trolling, lying, impotent anti-semite, the JPEGs listed
>above very clearly show a number of burned corpses. Of course, being the
>troll that you are, you would rather LIE about this than admit that you
>are wrong (again.)

We have been over this before. Why will you not be the first to identify the
signs of 1) fire damage and 2) evidence that it was the cause of death?

Thekla1.jpg

Two men looking at two badly decomposed bodies on flat ground. No
indications of fire.

Thekla2.jpg

Decomposed bodies along a wire fence with unburned bushes on the other
side of the fence.

Thekla3.jpg

Three bodies on flat ground, two wearing shoes. Shoes intact, not
burned.

But of course you see the shoes burned off. If you look at the skin color of
the two people standing in Thekla1 you will see that it is approximately the
same as the bodies in all three pictures. In addition to the unburned shoes you
will note that where ears and fingers are visible they are in fact their to be
seen and not burned away.

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And the jew traitor did not list his other three favorite pictures for which he
makes the same claim.

Gardelegen1.jpg

12 (?) people walking. No signs of fire. Appear to be carrying
stretchers.

Gardelegen3.jpg

Sitting man leaning on brickwork. No signs of fire, Extremities
intact. Left hand appears to be holding plant stems. (badly solarized
print) Plant stems not burned.

Gardelegen2.jpg

Three men looking at body inside wooden building. Right extremities
intact. Wooden building shows no sign of fire damage.

>> What an asshole.

>See your reflection in a mirror ?

No, nor have I heard such a clever response since gradeschool.

>Not only are you a troll, but you are a troll who resorts to continual
>lies, harassment, threats, and general prevarication in an attempt to deny
>what you know to be truth – you, little man, are completely devoid of
>anything resembling decency, morality, and integrity.

Now you be the first to identify 1) the evidence of burning on these bodies by
specific reference to signs of burning and 2) evidence that the cause of death
was from burning.

Of course that will require analytic thought and a silly handle such as your
self is incapable of it.

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On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:08:14 -0400, [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:

>[email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>[a bunch of theorizing]

>> So where are the mass graves, exactly? Just one or two of them?
>> No one seems to know,

>(sigh)

>We know exactly where the ashes are buried: in Auschwitz, in Treblinka,
>in Belzec, in Sobibor, in Majdanek, in Chelmno. Andrew Allen, a frequent
>”revisionist” poster to this forum, has confirmed that core samples taken
>at Treblinka found ashes and human remains to a depth of seven meters,
>for example.

>I’m sorry to break it to you, but just because nobody has done your current
>favorite form of analysis of the sites does not mean the Holocaust never
>happened.

Sorry to break it to you but the claim of where they are only exists as
testimony and has NEVER been confirmed by excavation or site sampling save for
one case the Keren loves claiming that flesh and hair was intact for YEARS prior
to excavation. Obviously Keren is an idiot but that is the only claim to
verification of burial sites.

And that is the truth.

In case you missed it. There is NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE of this holocaust
whatsoever.

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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 04:44:27 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
wrote:

>[email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>> At one time, the figures for those said to have been
>>exterminated at Auschwitz was 4 million, which at this time the
>>current number is 1 million. At least 95% of this current number are
>>said to have been Jews. The overall number of Jews said to have fallen
>>to the Holocaust has been 6,000,000 for some time. Six million when
>>the Auschwitz numbers were 4 million and still 6,000,000 with the
>>Auschwitz numbers at 1 million.
>> It is alleged that the 6 million figure was never contingent on
>>the now defunct 4 million figure.

>The figure of four million killed at Auschwitz appeared on the
>memorial plaque at the Auschwitz State Museum and agrees with the
>figure given by a Soviet investigating committee, a figure itself
>based upon faulty suppositions about the efficiency and rate of use of
>the Auschwitz crematoria. As has been pointed out repeatedly, few
>western historians have accepted this figure.

A really stupid try. Nuremberg SWORE to the number and no writer has ever had
greater resources than Nuremberg.
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Having a confirmed I.Q. of 160, I have just completed a crash course in Modern
Hebrew and am now completely fluent.

“ANI MAMZER BEN CHAZIR, ASHER OHEV LEECHOL CHARAH.”

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Hey, jew traitor, this has nothing to do with the design of mass extermination
gas chambers.

On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:18:10 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>Testimony of Engineer Karl Schultze
>[Quoted from the interrogation transcripts by Prof. Gerald Fleming
>from the University of Surrey, in an NYT article, July 18 1993]
>———————————————————————
>Q. What was your personal part in these “Krema” building operation and
> what was Prufer’s part?
>
>A. Prufer was an expert. he designed and constructed these
> crematoriums and led the building operations in the concentration
> camps. I was responsible for the ventilation systems and for its air
> injection into the muffles. In specific instances, I led the
> installation operations personally. I personally led the installation
> work in Auschwitz crematoriums and gas chambers. For this purpose, I
> traveled to Auschwitz three times in 1943.
> .
> .
> .
>
> I did not know that in the crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau
> innocent human beings were being liquidated. I thought criminals were
> being killed there who who had partly been sentenced to death because
> of the crimes they had committed against the German army in Poland and
> other occupied territories. I am a German and supported and am
> supporting the Government in Germany and the laws of our Government.
> Whoever opposes our laws is an enemy of the State, because our laws
> establish him a such. I did not act on personal initiative but as
> directed by Ludwig Topf. I was afraid of losing my position and of
> possible arrest.
>
>Q. Your views do not really differ from the views of a Nazi.
>
>A. No, I was not a member of the NSDAP [National Socialist German
> Workers Party]. I only respected and acted according to the laws of
> my country.

>

>-Danny Keren.
>

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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:11:15 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> The four pieces of physical evidence of the extermination of
>> 12 million people.

>5. How about: MISSING PEOPLE?

31 million of those. What about them?

>> 1) Ausrotten speech, suspected of being by Himmler, exists only
>> as a recording, not known if ever presented
>
>Not suspected. Documented. Verified. Proven.

I know the holohugger story has changed but that is still false.

>If you don’t agree with ALL the evidence of its authenticity, I’m sure
>Ken’s offer still stands.

Who are you talking about?

>> 2) Wannsee Protocol, which discusses forced emigration but
>> otherwise appears to have been unimplemented

>Lie.

Are you saying there was forced emigration beyond the eastern border of Europe?
Are you saying there were road building work groups? Are you saying there was
sterilization of half and quarter jews?

Read it some time and point out what was implemented. Take all the screens you
need.

>> 3) Vergassnungkeller letter, which uses a word form theretofore
>> unknown in the German language that is construed to mean gas
>> chamber despite the composing words and the structure of the
>> sentence in which it is used.

>Lie.

Read it some time.

>> 4) insecticide traces, enough said

>You bet. Enough said. You’re a liar and a fake.
>And an idiot.

Yes, schwartze, it was an insecticide.

Now go get all teary-eyed over those cow bones.

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On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:16:51 +0100, [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:

>In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>>Ole Kreiberg ([email protected]) wrote:
>>
>>> A central policy to nazism was to combat unemployment.
>>
>>Come on, Ole, that’s too cheap rethoric. You did talk about racism and
>>ethnic cleansing of Denmark not about unemployment. Thus even if you were
>>right (you are not) you do use a very cheap distractive maneuver.

> Hm you want us to believe that ethnic cleansing was invented by the Nazis.
>What do think of the deportations of the American Red Indians to
>reservations? In the Ex-Yugoslavia former Serbian communists are making
>muslims flee from certain areas. As a German you think that you can make the
>nazis scapegoats of all sorts of unhappy incidents.

You appear to be ignoring the Israeli requirement that Palestinians get permits
to live in Jerusalem (must live as guests and be subject to special laws for
guests as in the NSDAP political platform) and that Israel is quietly and slowly
withdrawing those permits.

From what I can see you are proposing a variation upon what Israel is doing
today.

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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:02:24 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:46:53 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> >Don’t YOU think George Lincoln Rockwell was a Nazi? And an American?
>>
>> So far as I am aware the NSDAP went out of business in early
>1945 and the NSAWP
>> out of business on December 9, 1941. If he is amused to call himself a Nazi
>> that is his business. Perhaps he just has a perverted sense of humor
>and enjoys
>> making so many fools shit in their pants when they hear him use the label.
>>
>> I have no interest what he labeled himself, Nazi, Cathar, Hun,
>whatever. He
>> never had the slightest chance to start a political party and even if he
>had the
>> US was much too well armed for him to stay in power more than a few
>weeks. The
>> US is still much too well armed for anyone of the totalitarian persuasion to
>> survive very long.

>None of this or the much longer piece of crap I snipped answers what was a
>very simple question.

>
>Obviously, Mr. Giwer is too thick to asnwer simple “yes” or “no”
>questions. Instead, he launches into long diatribes that vainly try to
>change the subject.
>
>It doesn’t work, Mr. Giwer. Everyone knows that you did NOT answer the question.
>

>Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, a troller whose only
>interest is in causing fights. While he can sound superficially
>plausible, he has lied about what has been said in exchanges (while
>accusing others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to
>see posts which contain documented refutation of his claims (even when
>they have been emailed to him), engaged in actual libel, and generally
>conducted himself with such complete lack of intellectual and factual
>integrity that there seems to be no point in taking the time to read and
>respond. For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to

>URL http://www.almanac.bc.ca/hweb/people/g/giwer.matt/

>
>Sara

>–
>”I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy.”
> Samuel Butler

Hey folks, save this one. It is another one sworn to by
NIZKOR itself. Do not miss this one.

On 24 Sep 1996 07:24:54 -0700, [email protected]
(Nizkor Canada) wrote:

>Archive/File: camps/aktion.reinhard/sobibor/staff/wagner.gustav
>Last-modified: 1993/04/18

>”Oberschafuhrer Gustav Wagner

Note that his name if WAGNER.

>”The man who actually supervised the routine and daily life at Sobibor was
>Gustav Wagner. He was the quartermaster-sergeant of the camp. Moshe Bahir
>described him:

> “He was a handsome man, tall and blonde — a pure Aryan.

There is no such thing as Aryan but Moses recognizes it
immediately even though blond adults were a rarity.

In civilian
> life he was, no doubt, a well-mannered man; at Sobibor he was a wild
> beast. His lust to kill knew no bounds.

The SEX connection, a LUST to kill. Real LUST here. Give
him lust and nothing but.

I saw such terrible scenes
> that they give me nightmares to this day. He would snatch babies from
> their mothers’ arms and tear them to pieces in his hands.

Who is this guy, really? Sampson? Tearing babies to pieces
with his bare hands?

Think about it a minute. Tearing babies apart. Has anyone
ever tried tearing apart and uncooked chicken without a knife?
How about a rabbit? You have not tried it?

Fine, go buy a whole chicken, much smaller than a human baby
and tear it apart with your bare hands.

Now that you are exhausted to no success in this tearing
apart a many days dead carcass, what do you think of this claim?
You still believe it? You have to be jewish.

I saw him
> beat two men to death with a rifle, because they did not carry out his
> instructions properly, since they did not understand German. I
> remember that one night a group of youths aged fifteen or sixteen
> arrived in the camp. The head of this group was one Abraham. After a
> long and arduous work day, this young man collapsed on his pallet and
> fell asleep. Suddenly Wagner came into our barrack, and Abraham did
> not hear him call to stand up at once before him. Furious, he pulled
> Abraham naked off his bed and began to beat him all over his body.
> When Wagner grew weary of the blows, he took out his revolver and
> killed him on the spot. This atrocious spectacle was carried out
> before all of us, including Abraham’s younger brother. <1>

Is this not a wonderful description. First he beats people
to death with a rifle (quite a difficult proposition but simple
to those who believe he could tear infants apart with his bare
hands) and then he beats a man with his bear hands. And fhen
finally he pulls out a non-regulation revolver and shoots him.
Not a Lugar, not a Vis, but a revolver. And noting that earlier
he beat a man to death with a rifle instead of simply shooting
him with the rifle.

Ah well, those wild and crazy guys were at it again.

>”Wagner’s ruthless behavior toward the Jews is mentioned in some other
>testimonies of Sobibor survivors. Ada Lichtman writes that on the fast day
>of Yom Kippur, Wagner appeared at the roll call, took out some prisoners,
>gave them bread and ordered them to eat. As the prisoners ate the bread, he
>laughed loudly; he enjoyed his joke because he knew the Jews he had forced
>to eat were pious. <2>

He forced them to violate their religion and laughed. Does
not every manifestation of pure demonic evil laugh? Real evil is
people like the murderer of Paula Klass. Real evil is people
like Dahlmer. Real evil does not laugh. But melodramtic, poor
fiction evil always laughs.

Is there any difference in principle from this “laughing” and
Count Dracula, aka Bela Legosi laughing? Why is it that evil
only laughs in stories and not in real life?

>”Gustav Wagner escaped after the war to Brazil, where he lived openly. The
>Brazilian Supreme Court refused to extradite him. In October 1980 his
>attorney announced that Wagner had committed suicide.”

Ah, yes, and Count Dracula escaped to England where he was
later reported dead to Van Helsing but lived again in the
sequals.

><1> Publication of the Museum of the Combatants and Partisans, Tel Aviv,
> April, 1973, p.37
><2> Ada Lichtman. Yad Vashem Archives, L-11/5, testimony of Ada Lichtman
> pp. 36-37

>Excerpted from….———————————————-
>BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA – the Operation Reinhard Death Camps
>Indiana University Press – Yitzhak Arad, 1987. ISBN 0-253-3429-7

Ah, yes, the collection of melodramatic fairy tales that
impresses immature idiots.

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On 26 Sep 1996 19:34:49 -0400, [email protected] (Michael P. Stein)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>> The four pieces of physical evidence of the extermination of
>>12 million people.

> Gee, first it was zero, then three, now four.

This is exactly the four things I have been saying for weeks. Are you going to
pretend you have not been following the conference again?

>>1) Ausrotten speech, suspected of being by Himmler, exists only
>>as a recording, not known if ever presented

> Nope, Himmler’s handwritten notes also exist. That’s five.

Of course they do. Keren told you so. You just keep believing that jew
traitor.

>>2) Wannsee Protocol, which discusses forced emigration but
>>otherwise appears to have been unimplemented
>>
>>3) Vergassnungkeller letter, which uses a word form theretofore
>>unknown in the German language that is construed to mean gas
>>chamber despite the composing words and the structure of the
>>sentence in which it is used.

> Mr. Giwer has no qualifications whatsoever to talk about the German
>language.

You holohuggers have given me the information in your claims that this is
evidence.

> He has also left out the document using the word “Gaskammer” in
>reference to Krema V, the word he SWORE was the correct one for a gas
>chamber.

> That’s six.

As you know I have posted the overall picture of Birkenau. There is no such
building near K V. So that one is out. It has been out for a long time.

>>4) insecticide traces, enough said

> And the letter from Topf about cyanide detectors for the Kremas. Topf
>was not in the delousing business. Very strange. That’s seven.

That is leaping to a conclusion from facts not in evidence. AS WE KNOW from the
diligent research of the holohuggers, Topf did not design or build the Kremas,
only the actual ovens themselves.

So your conclusion is not related to the evidence at hand.

> And the letter from Wetzel to Lohse about the use of the “Brack
>device.” Eight.

I asked a long time ago, what is a Brack device and no one could answer the
question. But before you jump in with some fanciful invention, a room is not a
device. Fact is, no one knows what a “Brack device” was supposed to be.

> And the letter from Just to Rauff about gassing vans. Nine.

Yes, Degesh manufactured mobile delousing chambers. Yes, Germany had thousands
of vehicles that ran on generated carbon monoxide. And finally, NO, no one has
ever found van modified for exterminating people but there is plenty of stupid
testimony about them.

> And the letter from Becker to Rauff on the same subject. Corroborated
>by Rauff in a 1971 deposition in Chile (no nasty Russian torturers there).
>Ten.

You will have to post that some time.

> Gas-tight door with protective grid on the inside (what, the lice are
>going to break out?) Mr. Giwer claimed this was to protect against flying
>glass, but of course he has produced no other such door from a bomb
>shelter to support his assertion. Eleven.

Excuse me when we were discussing that, everyone in the discussion agreed that
was the door on LK I leading to the outdoors. NOW we have holohuggers insisting
the gas chamber was an interior room of LK I. That door is no longer under
discussion as it is not the door to the interior room. You really should keep
up with the conference materials.

> Inventory sheet listing fourteen showerheads in the “morgue” with not
>a single design plan for that room showing shower plumbing – even the
>plans that showed all the other listed plumbing. Same inventory
>sheet with “wire-mesh introduction devices” which sound quite a
>bit like the Zyklon introduction devices described by witnesses.
>Twelve.

Sorry about that but I have posted the testimony of water coming out of them by
a witness under oath. You must not have looked hard enough for the connecting
plumbing. That copper plumbing is missing now is hardly surprising.

Again, you need to pay more attention to the conference.

> The Einsatzgruppen reports (I’ll be generous and only count them as
>one). Baker’s dozen…

I have already pointed out the fraudulent nature of the one Keren loves to post.
You really do need to pay attention.

> Once again, Mr. Giwer once SWORE that there was ZERO physical
>evidence. He’s backpedaling nicely. I guess there are some lies even he
>realizes are too big to try to put over.

As I pointed out those four items are the only examples of physical evidence
that have so far survived analysis in this conference. That you have not been
paying attention is your problem.

If you consider those four items strong enough to be the ONLY physical to cover
12 million murders that only demonstrates your belief in the conclusion
regardless of the evidence.

I list these four items in order to narrow the focus of discussion as once these
are exposed as not in support of the extermination of 12 million we can close
down the conference and get on to more important matters.

—–

Hey folks, save this one. It is another one sworn to by
NIZKOR itself. Do not miss this one.

On 24 Sep 1996 07:24:54 -0700, [email protected]
(Nizkor Canada) wrote:

>Archive/File: camps/aktion.reinhard/sobibor/staff/wagner.gustav
>Last-modified: 1993/04/18

>”Oberschafuhrer Gustav Wagner

Note that his name if WAGNER.

>”The man who actually supervised the routine and daily life at Sobibor was
>Gustav Wagner. He was the quartermaster-sergeant of the camp. Moshe Bahir
>described him:

> “He was a handsome man, tall and blonde — a pure Aryan.

There is no such thing as Aryan but Moses recognizes it
immediately even though blond adults were a rarity.

In civilian
> life he was, no doubt, a well-mannered man; at Sobibor he was a wild
> beast. His lust to kill knew no bounds.

The SEX connection, a LUST to kill. Real LUST here. Give
him lust and nothing but.

I saw such terrible scenes
> that they give me nightmares to this day. He would snatch babies from
> their mothers’ arms and tear them to pieces in his hands.

Who is this guy, really? Sampson? Tearing babies to pieces
with his bare hands?

Think about it a minute. Tearing babies apart. Has anyone
ever tried tearing apart and uncooked chicken without a knife?
How about a rabbit? You have not tried it?

Fine, go buy a whole chicken, much smaller than a human baby
and tear it apart with your bare hands.

Now that you are exhausted to no success in this tearing
apart a many days dead carcass, what do you think of this claim?
You still believe it? You have to be jewish.

I saw him
> beat two men to death with a rifle, because they did not carry out his
> instructions properly, since they did not understand German. I
> remember that one night a group of youths aged fifteen or sixteen
> arrived in the camp. The head of this group was one Abraham. After a
> long and arduous work day, this young man collapsed on his pallet and
> fell asleep. Suddenly Wagner came into our barrack, and Abraham did
> not hear him call to stand up at once before him. Furious, he pulled
> Abraham naked off his bed and began to beat him all over his body.
> When Wagner grew weary of the blows, he took out his revolver and
> killed him on the spot. This atrocious spectacle was carried out
> before all of us, including Abraham’s younger brother. <1>

Is this not a wonderful description. First he beats people
to death with a rifle (quite a difficult proposition but simple
to those who believe he could tear infants apart with his bare
hands) and then he beats a man with his bear hands. And fhen
finally he pulls out a non-regulation revolver and shoots him.
Not a Lugar, not a Vis, but a revolver. And noting that earlier
he beat a man to death with a rifle instead of simply shooting
him with the rifle.

Ah well, those wild and crazy guys were at it again.

>”Wagner’s ruthless behavior toward the Jews is mentioned in some other
>testimonies of Sobibor survivors. Ada Lichtman writes that on the fast day
>of Yom Kippur, Wagner appeared at the roll call, took out some prisoners,
>gave them bread and ordered them to eat. As the prisoners ate the bread, he
>laughed loudly; he enjoyed his joke because he knew the Jews he had forced
>to eat were pious. <2>

He forced them to violate their religion and laughed. Does
not every manifestation of pure demonic evil laugh? Real evil is
people like the murderer of Paula Klass. Real evil is people
like Dahlmer. Real evil does not laugh. But melodramtic, poor
fiction evil always laughs.

Is there any difference in principle from this “laughing” and
Count Dracula, aka Bela Legosi laughing? Why is it that evil
only laughs in stories and not in real life?

>”Gustav Wagner escaped after the war to Brazil, where he lived openly. The
>Brazilian Supreme Court refused to extradite him. In October 1980 his
>attorney announced that Wagner had committed suicide.”

Ah, yes, and Count Dracula escaped to England where he was
later reported dead to Van Helsing but lived again in the
sequals.

><1> Publication of the Museum of the Combatants and Partisans, Tel Aviv,
> April, 1973, p.37
><2> Ada Lichtman. Yad Vashem Archives, L-11/5, testimony of Ada Lichtman
> pp. 36-37

>Excerpted from….———————————————-
>BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA – the Operation Reinhard Death Camps
>Indiana University Press – Yitzhak Arad, 1987. ISBN 0-253-3429-7

Ah, yes, the collection of melodramatic fairy tales that
impresses immature idiots.

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In article <52g[email protected]>, [email protected] says…
>
>In article <[email protected]>,
>Marduk posing as Matt Giwer wrote:
>>Having a confirmed I.Q. of 160, I have just completed a crash course in
>>Modern Hebrew and am now completely fluent.
>>
>>”ANI MAMZER BEN CHAZIR, ASHER OHEV LEECHOL CHARAH.”
>
> Having a high IQ myself, I am completely fluent in article headers.
>(Ani daber Usenet.)
^^^^^

“Ani Medaber Usenet”
^^^^^^^

From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 16:16:02 PDT 1996
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On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:01:17 GMT, [email protected] (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:14:35 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>>>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Sun, 22 Sep 1996 13:31:45 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>

>>>> >When people discuss their “roots,” I often explain to them that I can
>>>> >trace mine back to a pit in the town of Stolin. That’s where my family
>>>> >history is.
>>>>
>>>> Most of mine are in graves in Cincinnati but that does not mean I
>>>can not go
>>>> further. You are very strange.
>>>>
>>>> >I know of very few Jews who can trace their ancestry back much farther
>>>> >than that.
>>>>
>>>> You are fixated upon an event that never happened. That is the
>>>holohugger
>>>> mentality. Just plain strange.

>>>An event that never happened?

>>>That’s interesting, Mr. Giwer, considering that members of my family have
>>>BEEN TO and SEEN the pit where my relatives died. I have seen the
>>>photographs.

>> What did you see a picture of? An open pit? Then you must have been able to
>>identify their bodies in it. If not, how do you know they died in that “pit”?
>>If it was not an open pit, how badly was the vegitation disturbed?
>>
>>>What you fail to see, Mr. Giwer, is thatn when your ancectors died, their
>>>possessions remained intact. They were placed in graves with gravestones.
>>>You can go look at the graves, you can touch the letters, photographs, and
>>>other memorabilia that belonged to them.

>> Why would I want to do any of that for people I never knew? Why would anyone?
>>can’t even work up much excitement over people I did know. If you’ve seen one
>>grave you’ve seen them all. Just how many “easy lawn care” stones can you take?

>>
>>>That is not possible for me, since everything belonging to the Jews of
>>>Stolin was destroyed.

>> Excuse me. Since I can do what can not then you are saying that you have no
>>idea what those pictures you were shown were.

>> But to get back to the point of many months ago, it is very, very strange to the
>>point of irrational to miss people you never knew.
>>
>>>You may not believe in the Holocaust, Mr. Giwer, which just shows you’re
>>>stupid. But to tell me that my family was not killed, when the evidence
>>>clearly exists in the town of Stolin, in the pit on the edge of town, in
>>>the histories recorded in Yad Vashem; that just means you’re either
>>>delusional or stupid.
>>>
>>>Or both.

>> Anyone who claims a pit is evidence of murder isn’t wrapped all that tight.

>Anyone who claims the Holocaust didn’t happen is cruel, inhuman, Nazi,
>anti-Semite, ugly son of a whore and an idiot.

Now you would libel my mother solely because I point out PT Barnumski is alive
and well and living in Poland?

It’s obviously a con game for the rubes. They probably even went to look at the
egress.

Holohuggers are so gullible they will believe anything.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 16:16:03 PDT 1996
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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:58:07 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

># At least two holohuggers have so far agreed that Keren is an
># idiot on the subject.

>Matty is suffering from split personality.

># You obviously are an idiot also.

>And he’s talking to himself.

silly jew traitor

># Now where are all the rabbis?

>Why would there be rabbis on the list?

>Who said any were deported to Dachau?

No Jews sent to Dachau? Good to hear. Or the rabbis were separated? Which
camp were they sent to?

># http://www.webcom.com/~zundel

>Matty still considers a nut, who claims that the Nazi leadership
>fled to the inner earth via a hole in the South-Pole, using
>”secret UFO’s”, a reliable source on history.

>But then Matty is mentally retarded, insane, and senile. So
>why am I not surprised?

UFOs are a constant reminder that the physical evidence of mass gassing is of
the same type and nature as that for UFOs. It is good for you to continue
bringing this up.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 16:16:04 PDT 1996
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On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:17:43 -0400, A Gryn wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:12:06 -0400, A Gryn wrote:
>>
>> >Matt Giwer wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I was speaking of the campaign speeches of both candidates made in Israel and
>> >> carried in the news. Of you never pay attention to the news.
>>
>> >1. The overdubbed speeches were English – because they were translated.
>>
>> Funny thing, the lips were in sync with the english. How is that possible?

>The ones made to the American public?

Israeli campaign speeches to audiences in Israel are to the American public?

Israeli candidates make speeches to the American public?

You folks do not seem to be able to deal with it.

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On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 00:10:55 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

># And if used in that mode the buildings would have been
># fire traps.

>Garbage.

># When you provide the names and addresses of all the “witnesses”

>For starters: Stangl, Matthes, Franz, Munzerburger, Mentz, Horn,
>Suchomel, Lambert. Just quoting from memory. All these were
>SS-men from the camp and their testimony is, of course, worth
>infinitely more than that of someone who was watching the
>camp from a distance

># In any event, you are full of shit.

>In any event, you’re a miserable bastard who has been unemployed
>since he was 46-years-old, and is apparently proud of it.

You keep deleting what you do not want to read. Give it up jew traitor, they
were steamed to death at Treblinka.

========
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:43:39 GMT

Hey, Keren! Where is your story about the Polish “spies” not getting
close this time?

” The second building [at Treblinka] consists of three chambers
and a boiler-room. The steam generated in the boilers is led by
means of pipes to the chambers. There are terracota floors in the
chambers which become very slippery when wet … All victims had
to strip off their clothes and shoes, which were collected
afterwards, whereupon all victims, women and children first, were
driven into the death chambers. Those too slow or too weak to
move quickly were driven on by rifle butts, by whipping and
kicking…Many slipped and fell, the next victims pressed forward
and stumbl ed over them. Small children were simply thrown
inside. After being filled up to capacity the chambers were
hermetically closed and steam was let in. In a few minutes all
was over.”

IMT XXXII – pp. 156-157.

This affidavit was part of the opening prosecution, read into
the record on December 14, 1945. It is quoted in part in GM
Gilbert’s *Nuremberg Diary* p. 69. To say that it is not
eyewitness testimony is a technicality.

========
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:43:39 GMT

Hey, Keren! Where is your story about the Polish “spies” not getting
close this time?

” The second building [at Treblinka] consists of three chambers
and a boiler-room. The steam generated in the boilers is led by
means of pipes to the chambers. There are terracota floors in the
chambers which become very slippery when wet … All victims had
to strip off their clothes and shoes, which were collected
afterwards, whereupon all victims, women and children first, were
driven into the death chambers. Those too slow or too weak to
move quickly were driven on by rifle butts, by whipping and
kicking…Many slipped and fell, the next victims pressed forward
and stumbl ed over them. Small children were simply thrown
inside. After being filled up to capacity the chambers were
hermetically closed and steam was let in. In a few minutes all
was over.”

IMT XXXII – pp. 156-157.

This affidavit was part of the opening prosecution, read into
the record on December 14, 1945. It is quoted in part in GM
Gilbert’s *Nuremberg Diary* p. 69. To say that it is not
eyewitness testimony is a technicality.

—–

Now stop your crap about gassing at Treblinka. We all know better, jew traitor.

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On 27 Sep 1996 17:33:58 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>>On 25 Sep 1996 21:49:09 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:
>>>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>>>> Yahweh was one of the Elohim. Was that supposed to be a trick question?
>>> For you, Matt, “Is 1+1=2?” is a trick question!
>> Elohim is plural, schmuck.

> The comment on trick questions is a reference to you ability to
>constantly make statements that don’t stant up to scrutiny. It was a sarcastic
>remark on your general appearance in this newsgroup rather than a specific
>comment about Elohim. I will try to be clearer in future.

It was not about me in the first place. Read the thread, fool.

> As for the question of Elohim being plural, I cannot comment as I
>know little Hebrew or theology.

Theology has nothing to do with the preservation of stories about tribal
dieties. It is no more theology than stories about the greek gods even though
remarkably less sophisticated.

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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:09:21 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:14:35 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>

>> >That’s interesting, Mr. Giwer, considering that members of my family have
>> >BEEN TO and SEEN the pit where my relatives died. I have seen the
>> >photographs.
>>
>> What did you see a picture of? An open pit? Then you must have
>been able to
>> identify their bodies in it. If not, how do you know they died in that “pit”?
>> If it was not an open pit, how badly was the vegitation disturbed?
>>

>No, Mr. Giwer, I didn’t see a picture of an open pit.
>
>I saw a photograph of a large area, with human bones sticking out of it.

And just how could you tell they were human bones? And just how could you tell
your relatives bones? Were they monogrammed?

And pray tell, what uncivilized country was this that does not bury human
remains?

>I also saw a monument placed there by the Soviets who “liberated” that
>part of Poland, in memory of those who died.

What does it say they died of?

>When the Soviets were first told of the pit and the dead Jews therein,
>their first act was to dig up the bodies, looking for gold teeth, or any
>other items of wealth that the Nazis must have missed. The Soviets didn’t
>find anything, and just hastily reburied the bodies. Many bones have since
>been unearthed by
> animals, etc. That’s why humna bones can still be seen there.
>
>Does that answer your question?

Yes, Poland is so uncivilized that it permits human remains to lie exposed. I
would never have thought such a thing of Poland.

>Obviously, however, some of your relatives had been there as well, since
>someone had placed human feces at the base of the Soviet monument.

We never did like any kind of Marxists.

So someone is running a tourist attraction with animal bones and is feeding the
rubes a horror story about those being human bones after over fifty years in the
ground without deterioration. And you further believe that people carefully
hand remove the weeds from around the bones so they are visible.

Or do you really believe the Poles are so uncivilized as to let human remains be
exposed by the weather? to let dogs come by and carry away human bones?
rodents to gnaw on them? that no jewish organization has spoken out against it?
no one has acted to give them a proper burial? or even cover them with dirt?

Oh, I see. You have not spoken out against it.

You are very much the rube.

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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 22:33:05 GMT, [email protected] (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:16:18 GMT, [email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 05:44:04 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>Read the information holohuggers fear
>>>>http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg
>>
>>Nizkor
>>
>> Directed by an American currently employed by a US Department of Defense
>>contractor and who hosts Nizkor on the internet access of 1B Systems. It is

>Little man, you really are one sad case! Do you _like_ looking like a fool?
>Do you get some kind or reward from pretending to be stupid? Or is it really
>that you _are_ stupid?

>Of course since it is a fabrication of your own mind only, you can present
>nothing except your own silly assertion that Ken is employed by a US
>Department of Defense contractor. He isn’t, of course, but, hey, keep it up.
>You are looking more like a fool every day.

>As far as 1B Systems, tell you what, call the Registrar of Companies in
>Victoria, B.C. and check whether IB is still a registered company. Get back
>to us with what you find out.

I have posted the milnet listing many, many times.

And of course, McVay has NEVER personally denied it. Only his braindead,
holohugging lackeys have denied it.

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Updates from Gaza

Acting under orders the Palestinian police were able quiet the demonstrators
without the use of violence.

Doctors at the Gaza hospital noted that almost all of the gunshot deaths and
injuries were to the head and upper torso indicating a deliberate attempt to
kill. Consider this to be more deliberate provocation of the Palestinians.

General update

Arafat has refused to meet with Netanyahu until the tunnel is closed. Netanyahu
has refused.

Warren Christopher made the same request and was refused.

Speakers at the UN put it in the form of a demand and was refused.

It appears they are going to stick with the money grubbing jew stereotype until
they manage to provoke whatever it is they are really after.

If Arafat can restore peace it is only a question of time until Israel creates
another provocation.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 19:17:40 PDT 1996
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On 27 Sep 1996 00:35:50 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>> On 26 Sep 1996 03:18:20 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> >> > Becasue they are true. To review the bidding you sent me your usual
>> >> >anit-Semitic garbage in an e-mail. You were asked, as you have been in
>the
>> >past,
>> >> >not to send me any e-mail. Your entire response was:
>> >
>> >> > “I am tired of your shit. Fuck off.”
>> >
>> >> > That communication, in itself, is criminal harrassment.
>
>> > Garbage. You e-mailed me anit-Semitic material. You were asked to
>> >stop. Not only is that not harrassment but it was at the direction of your ISP
>after
>> >their logs demonstrated that you had sent it to me. Your response to a request
>> >not send me e-mail is quoted in full above.
>
>> Strange they told me quite the opposite about the logs. But then you
>are known
>> to get hysterical on this subject. You are very strange. I would suggest you
>> get a prosthetic foreskin so you can feel like a whole man again rather than
>> like a sexually mutilated primitive.

> You’re lying, Matty poo. The proof of that is where you are posting
>from.these days.

> –YFE
Hey folks, save this one. It is another one sworn to by NIZKOR itself. Do not
miss this one.

On 24 Sep 1996 07:24:54 -0700, [email protected] (Nizkor Canada)
wrote:

>Archive/File: camps/aktion.reinhard/sobibor/staff/wagner.gustav
>Last-modified: 1993/04/18

>”Oberschafuhrer Gustav Wagner

Note that his name if WAGNER.

>”The man who actually supervised the routine and daily life at Sobibor was
>Gustav Wagner. He was the quartermaster-sergeant of the camp. Moshe Bahir
>described him:

> “He was a handsome man, tall and blonde — a pure Aryan.

There is no such thing as Aryan but Moses recognizes it immediately even though
blond adults were a rarity.

In civilian
> life he was, no doubt, a well-mannered man; at Sobibor he was a wild
> beast. His lust to kill knew no bounds.

The SEX connection, a LUST to kill. Real LUST here. Give him lust and nothing
but.

I saw such terrible scenes
> that they give me nightmares to this day. He would snatch babies from
> their mothers’ arms and tear them to pieces in his hands.

Who is this guy, really? Sampson? Tearing babies to pieces with his bare
hands?

Think about it a minute. Tearing babies apart. Has anyone ever tried tearing
apart and uncooked chicken without a knife? How about a rabbit? You have not
tried it?

Fine, go buy a whole chicken, much smaller than a human baby and tear it apart
with your bare hands.

Now that you are exhausted to no success in this tearing apart a many days dead
carcass, what do you think of this claim? You still believe it? You have to be
jewish.

I saw him
> beat two men to death with a rifle, because they did not carry out his
> instructions properly, since they did not understand German. I
> remember that one night a group of youths aged fifteen or sixteen
> arrived in the camp. The head of this group was one Abraham. After a
> long and arduous work day, this young man collapsed on his pallet and
> fell asleep. Suddenly Wagner came into our barrack, and Abraham did
> not hear him call to stand up at once before him. Furious, he pulled
> Abraham naked off his bed and began to beat him all over his body.
> When Wagner grew weary of the blows, he took out his revolver and
> killed him on the spot. This atrocious spectacle was carried out
> before all of us, including Abraham’s younger brother. <1>

Is this not a wonderful description. First he beats people to death with a
rifle (quite a difficult proposition but simple to those who believe he could
tear infants apart with his bare hands) and then he beats a man with his bear
hands. And fhen finally he pulls out a non-regulation revolver and shoots him.
Not a Lugar, not a Vis, but a revolver. And noting that earlier he beat a man
to death with a rifle instead of simply shooting him with the rifle.

Ah well, those wild and crazy guys were at it again.

>”Wagner’s ruthless behavior toward the Jews is mentioned in some other
>testimonies of Sobibor survivors. Ada Lichtman writes that on the fast day
>of Yom Kippur, Wagner appeared at the roll call, took out some prisoners,
>gave them bread and ordered them to eat. As the prisoners ate the bread, he
>laughed loudly; he enjoyed his joke because he knew the Jews he had forced
>to eat were pious. <2>

He forced them to violate their religion and laughed. Does not every
manifestation of pure demonic evil laugh? Real evil is people like the murderer
of Paula Klass. Real evil is people like Dahlmer. Real evil does not laugh.
But melodramtic, poor fiction evil always laughs.

Is there any difference in principle from this “laughing” and Count Dracula, aka
Bela Legosi laughing? Why is it that evil only laughs in stories and not in
real life?

>”Gustav Wagner escaped after the war to Brazil, where he lived openly. The
>Brazilian Supreme Court refused to extradite him. In October 1980 his
>attorney announced that Wagner had committed suicide.”

Ah, yes, and Count Dracula escaped to England where he was later reported dead
to Van Helsing but lived again in the sequals.

><1> Publication of the Museum of the Combatants and Partisans, Tel Aviv,
> April, 1973, p.37
><2> Ada Lichtman. Yad Vashem Archives, L-11/5, testimony of Ada Lichtman
> pp. 36-37

>Excerpted from….———————————————-
>BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA – the Operation Reinhard Death Camps
>Indiana University Press – Yitzhak Arad, 1987. ISBN 0-253-3429-7

Ah, yes, the collection of melodramatic fairy tales that impresses immature
idiots.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:55:45 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>
> I would invite the serious researcher concerned with finding out
>the truth or falsity of the Holocaust to keep an eye out for the oft
>occurance of references to the secrecy or non-secrecy of the Holocaust
>as it was happening.

> Whether or not it was is a matter of convenience to sell the
>reader on whatever particular point they are trying to sell.

> A few examples.

> If the writer is trying to indict the general civilians in the
>areas of the extermination camps, then it was no secret.

> If the writer is trying to explain why there is no record of a
>master plan, then it was a secret.

> If the writer is trying to shame the United States for complicity
>in the Holocaust, then is was no secret.

> Secret, yes? Secret, no? It all depends. It’s all right there in
>the output of the Holocaust promotional network.

Isn’t there some line about trying to nail jellyfish to the wall?

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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 22:04:15 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>
>> The four pieces of physical evidence of the extermination of
>>12 million people.
>>
>>1) Ausrotten speech, suspected of being by Himmler, exists only
>>as a recording, not known if ever presented
>>
>>2) Wannsee Protocol, which discusses forced emigration but
>>otherwise appears to have been unimplemented
>>
>>3) Vergassnungkeller letter, which uses a word form theretofore
>>unknown in the German language that is construed to mean gas
>>chamber despite the composing words and the structure of the
>>sentence in which it is used.
>>
>>4) insecticide traces, enough said
>>
> “Evidence”? Evidence for what?

Whatever the holohuggers want to read into it. That can be just about anything,
they are so quaintly innocent and gullible.

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On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 07:49:27, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <32[email protected]> [email protected] (Delirium Tremens)
>writes:

>> The comment was made to the content of the thread as a whole, not
>>as to your particular post. The issue seems to center about the shib-
>>boleth word, “racisism.” As I recall,

>Well, spelling aside, there’s your problem right there — your recollection.

>>the UNO labelled >apartheid< and >>Zionism as “racist<, whereupon So. Africa committed suicide. I don't >>think Israel is going to follow Pretoria’s example. Do you?

>You should lay off the sterno, George; the UN repented of that “racist” libel
>years and a years ago, back when you still had a working liver.

Dear Jew Traitor,

The US leaned on the UN to remove the label because AIPAC did not want the truth
listed.

If you had any honesty you would go to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs
website and read their discussion of Zionism and see just how racist Zionism
really is.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 19:17:44 PDT 1996
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On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 05:13:09 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>[snip]

>> I agree that there is no difference between the Nazis and the Israeli, both are
>>socialist, both murder … it is a long list.

>The Nazis were murderers? This is an uncharacteristically candid
>admission.

Now when have I said otherwise?

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 19:17:45 PDT 1996
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On 26 Sep 1996 19:20:32 -0400, [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>> But you know that KEREN claimed the deaths had to be murder without posting such
>>information. You should realize that makes Keren the PhD CS type the primary
>>fool on this subject. You should be addressing your points to him.

>Danny expected his readers to have the common sense to figure out that
>if half the Polish priests died in Nazi prison camps, they weren’t going
>of natural causes. Now there are some instances in which common sense
>can lead one astray, but this isn’t one of them, your foaming
>demonstrations of dementia to the contrary.

As you know, the meaning of the death rate can not be determined without knowing
the age distribution of the population. He did not provide that. He does not
know it. He can not know what it means. Neither can you.

Any claim that you do or that he does is simply made out of ignorance. Or
perhaps rather out mind clouding hatred.

>> Yes, you are as ignorant as Keren.

>Funny, I’m the one who analyzed the question and demonstrated that
>you didn’t know what you were posting about, as usual.

>> Now where are all the rabbis?

>What rabbis? Are you in need of a bris?

Keren now says that no jews were sent to Dachau. I presume you agree with him.

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On 27 Sep 1996 01:25:51 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (tom moran) makes an idiot of himself:
>
>> In felony trials defendants aren’t usually ask if they did it or
>> not.

> According to Moran a judge never asks a defendant “How do you
>plead? Guilty or not guilty?”

That is called the arraigment hearing where the accused, after private meeting
with his counsel, enter a plea. Since the accused at Nuremberg were not granted
that step … in fact many reported only learning what they were accused of
during breaks in the trial where the charges were translated for them.

But you consider that a fair trial.

>> That is the first step on arrest.

> The first step on arrest is (state) read the Miranda rights or (federal)
>read the McNab rights.

And you hold the accused at Nuremberg were read those rights.

>> Perhaps you could present some scenarios of how any denials would
>> come to take place.

> Sure.

> 1. In a demurrer before the trial.

> 2. When the defendant presents his defense.

>> Should a defendant jump up from his seat and yell ‘I didn’t do
>> it, I tell you. I didn’t do it’.

> No his lawyer does that when he presents his evidence and argues
>his case to the court.

But as we know even the defense counsels were often not given the charges before
the trial began. But you hold that is a fair trial.

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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 22:40:30 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

># I agree that there is no difference between the Nazis
># and the Israeli

>A lame attempt to divert from the fact that “revisionists”
>are Nazi-apologists, that is, they lie on behalf of, and
>defend, those who murdered American POW’s in cold blood.

>And these bastards call others “traitors”?

That is because you are a jew traitor. Why are you not proud of supporting
Israeli murders fo Americans? After all, you are jewish.

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Ever wonder why the story always includes digging up the bodies and burning
them?

You see jews do not permit even autopsies as the bodies must be complete (save
for the foreskin.)

So simply killing and burying was not evil enough for true evil. Therefore the
bodies had to be exhumed and destroyed by fire to prevent complete bodies from
facing Yahweh at the judgement. That made the Nazis pure, demonic evil.

And for a superstitious lot of eastern Europeans this was enlightened thought.
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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:19:22 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article , [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
>wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>>
>> # But holohuggers do not even go that far. They find a
>> # picture, however innocuous say of two students standing
>> # in front of the class, and caption it something like
>> # “Jewish children berated in front of class” when there
>> # is not the least indication of their race or religion or
>> # that they are being berated in the picture.
>>
>> This is the photo the Giwer’s talking about.
>>
>> Note the writing on the blackboard.

>Giwer lies again.
>
>The two students, heads bowed, looking disgraced, stand in front of a
>blackboard with a Jewish star, and a teacher pointing to the word JUDE on
>the board.
>
>I do not believe this teacher is leading the class in the singing of “Hey Jude.”

It still says nothing the students. Photos are not paintings.

Such unacultured people. Perhaps it is only because you are a mere genius.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 19:17:49 PDT 1996
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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:46:30 +0100, Jeffrey wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, John Morris >
>writes
>>Jeffrey wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The quote by Francis Bacon (1st Baron Verulam and Viscount St Albans)
>>>1561-1626 [from Religious Meditations, ‘Of Heresies’] actually reads
>>
>>>Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est.
>>
>>>And translates as
>>
>>>- Knowledge itself is power.

>So John Morris wrote

>>
>>What about “nam et”? Didn’t the “Collins Gem” translate that for you?
>>Do you know the corresponding idiom in late medieval and early modern
>>English writing? Any clues as to why we no longer use double
>>intensives in English writing? Any suggestions on how the substance of
>>the quote is changed by the absence of the intensive in the
>>translation?

>Notice how Mr Morris doesn’t respond to my post in which I quote from
>another source, in which the translation and actual phrase differs
>sigificantly from the phrase that Mr Morris quotes.

>He has not responded with a relevant answer. Notice how Mr Morris AVOIDS
>responding to my post, and indeed any attempt to clarify the actual
>meaning of Francis Bacon’s quote. All, he can do is to ask ME 3
>questions, a clear indication he has no answer.

Oh, I’m sorry, this is the mere negation conference. Arguementation is two
conferences down, on the left.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 20:00:05 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 05:49:29 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 00:59:07 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
>>wrote:

>>>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>>>On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 05:03:22 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
>>>>wrote:

>>>>>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>>>>[snip]

>>>>>> How did you get from a tabulation of deaths to murder?

>>>>>How did you come to believe that a 50% morbidity rate among Polish
>>>>>priests at Dachau was okay?

>>>[baiting deleted]

>>>> What was their average age? If it was 50, the survival rate is surprisingly

>>>”If?” So basically you don’t have a clue. You don’t know the average
>>>age, the average length of imprisonment, or the average life span
>>>while imprisoned.

>>>Why should I bother answering arguments that flow from wilfull
>>>ignorance?

>> As you remember, it was your fellow CS PhD holohugger who was claiming the
>>deaths were so far out of line that they had to be murder. So your comments all
>>apply to his conclusion. And it is good to see you agree he was and is full of
>>shit in his murder claim.

>So, you have decided that a wilfully stupid response is more likely to
>elicit a response from me.

You jumped in his defense.

>I might have been more precise, however, and suggested that “criminal
>negligence” could account for some of the deaths. But that category
>would be no more exculpatory than “murder.”

Now you have just taken the effort to point out there is no way of knowing
whether or not the death rate was unusual unless you know the age distribution
of the group and the life expectancy for such a group. Now you want to try to
imply there was something out of the ordinary about the number of deaths.

For a moment there you sounding like you understood what was going on. Now you
are back to being as stupid a Keren. Why do you not try sticking with
understanding the subject? You won’t look so much like Karen that way.

>The deaths *are* so far out of line that they cannot be explained as
>being due simply to natural causes. You have still not answered my
>question as to why you think that is alright.

What was the age distribution of the population?

>> Now, where are all the rabbis? Were they really all collaborators as the list
>>indicates?

>Oh dear, you really are a silly bugger. The list “indicates” that
>rabbis were collaborators, does it? I really must find a copy of the
>list since the one posted makes no such indication.

There are no rabbis on the list. Why are there no rabbis on the list?

Who do you think really invented the list?

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 20:00:08 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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Muslims gathered for prayer at the Mosque on the Temple Mount in Israel. IDF
troops (not police) are stationed on the grounds of the Mosque, which is
obviously a provocation. Muslims begin throwing rocks at the troops. The
troops open fire with live ammunition. After the shooting dies down, the police
move in to take control of the area.

A Netanyahu spokesman claimed that “they did not think through” the consequences
of opening the tunnel. That may be the first step in creating a cover story for
Israeli apologists to start parroting. Of course it does not explain their
refusal to close the tunnel, nor why it was opened in the middle of the night,
but it is a start.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 20:00:09 PDT 1996
Article: 69510 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Priests Murdered in Dachau
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On 27 Sep 1996 00:56:30 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>
>> Now that you are on the right track, what was the average life
>expectancy of the
>> cohort in the camp? If you can not answer that, you can not determine the
>> expected number of deaths. Nor can it be determined if the number of deaths
>is
>> out of line with that expectation.

> The average life expectancy for an American male aged 50 in 1939-41
>was 25.52 years. Yes, the figures for deaths are way out of line.

Poland is not America. It is lower today, it is presumed to have been lower
them. As this occurred over a period of seven years the first cut is 1/3 dead
>from natural causes.

Now go explain it to the jew traitor Keren.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 20:00:10 PDT 1996
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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:19:10 -0700, [email protected] (Rajiv K.
Gandhi) wrote:

>Troll-Giwer, at [email protected] now that Netcom removed his sorry
>carcass from their service, wrote:

>> >> >One can only wonder what made the twit think Dr. Keren was an
>> >> >American? Boy, if _I_ had an IQ of 163, _I_ would have figured
>> >> >out where he was from by cleverly reading his writing!
>> >>
>> >> >Whaddamoran.
>> >>
>> >> If he is a Canadian then his loyalty to Israel is understood.
>>
>> >Everything is spelled correctly and the grammar is almost correct, yet
>> >still the impotent troll spews something inane and incoherent. Is this a
>> >particular trait of the Giwer, the alcohol, or the genetic accident which
>> >resulted in the misguided procreation of a troll ?
>>
>> It is good to see the silly handle once more demonstrate the limits of its
>> ability to make a substantive contribution to the discussion. You’re a jew,
>> right?

>Again you continue with the inane, incoherent, and incorrect statements,
>demonstrating once again that what you claim as grey matter is little more
>than a pulpy mass of dung.

>There is also nothing substantive one can offer to a self admitted troll
>who resorts to outright lies, and harassment, uttering threats, mailbombs,
>extortion, all in a feeble attempt to ignore the FACT of the holocaust.

Given that response, you obviously think it is the same as being asked if
jewish, silly handle.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 20:00:12 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Holocaust and the Nuremberg Trials
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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:53:47 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>[email protected] (Allan Matthews) wrote:

>>In all that I’ve come across on the Nuremberg Trials I’ve never seen anywhere
>>where the Nazis on trial claimed that the Holocaust did not happen. They all
>>tried to blame everything on Hitler and on each other. They weren’t part of
>>the evil Jooish conspiracy ™ were they?
>>
>>If the Holocaust did not happen why was the conspiracy needed to purpetrate
>>such a hoax not brought out at the trial – thus nipping it in the bud?
>>
>>If the original Nazis didn’t deny the truth of the Holocaust where does that
>>leave today’s deniers?
>>
>>allan

> In felony trials defendants aren’t usually ask if they did it or
>not. That is the first step on arrest. If the authorities don’t
>believe them then they proceed with showing guilt.
> Perhaps you could present some scenarios of how any denials would
>come to take place.
> Should a defendant jump up from his seat and yell ‘I didn’t do
>it, I tell you. I didn’t do it’.

“Your honor, I move the defendant’s outburst be stricken from the record.”

“Granted.”

> Would he be ask on the stand.
> Did anyone ever ask.
> And would it make any difference if there were denials. Denials
>do nothing.

> If you were ever arrested for say murder, and your attorney
>allowed the procedures to go forth in the same order as Nuremberg,
>guilty or no, you’d be hung.

> Or if you knew any law, and you defended yourself ‘pro per’,
>you’d be screaming, ‘I want my mommy’.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 20:00:13 PDT 1996
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On 27 Sep 1996 01:55:44 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>> What happens is that every month or so, out of nowhere, YFE sends me email
>> complaining that I have sent him unsolicited email. (Lately he has taken to
>> claiming that is is also anti-semitic and obscene but he is getting rather
>> hysterical.) He also demands that I stop sending him email.

> That is because you sent me e-mail. At least one e-mail you sent contains
>your anti-Semitic doggeral. Your reply to my request that you not send me e-mail was “I
>am tired of your shit. Fuck off.” That is obscene. Two days after you sent that e-mail
>you did so again. That is criminal harrassment.

You left out the intermediate communications where I explained to you that I had
sent you no email. You then responded that my reply was unsolicited email. It
was then I told you to fuck off. It was that message you claimed was 1) obscene
and 2) sent to your family. I saved your message.

“Fuck off” is not obscene. “shit” is not obscene. It was not sent to your
family. You are clearly lying on both counts.

>> I respond by informing him that I have never initiated any email to him.
>
> In other words you respond with a lie. I have the e-mail Matty poo.

>
>> Then he complains that my response to his unsolicited and causeless email is
>> unsolicited email and that he uses as the basis for his libelous complaints.
>> One would think that an attorney would know better than to do something as
>> obvious as that.

> The response to my request to stop was the message “I am tired of your shit.
>Fuck off.” followed by another e-mail.

> If you think I can’t produce them, Matty poo, sue me.

> In the meantime you engaged in harrassment. You are a criminal.

Turn me in. File a report. If your brismeister had not been nearsighted you
would have the balls to do so.

Come on you gutless, deballed wonder, dial 911, call information and get
whatever number you need.

Do something about it. Come on, dickless. Put your sworn false complaint where
your keystrokes are.

You know you have nothing to lose if you have a valid complaint. You know your
license is on the line if you make a false complaint.

So lets play out the game, dickless.

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As long as there is no penalty he will call names and make allegations, even
charge me with criminal activities. But will dickless file a formal complaint?
No way. That puts him on the line.

He is smooth between the legs. He will do nothing but exercise his fingers. He
types a lot because he has nothing to play with.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 23:30:13 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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On Fri, 27 Sep 96 11:54:23 GMT, [email protected] (Allan Matthews) wrote:

>In article <324afbdc.224[email protected]>, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:
>>
>> I would invite the serious researcher concerned with finding out
>>the truth or falsity of the Holocaust

>Well this counts Moron out.

>>to keep an eye out for the oft
>>occurance of references to the secrecy or non-secrecy of the Holocaust
>>as it was happening.

>In other words – here comes another recycled Moron lie.

>> Whether or not it was is a matter of convenience to sell the
>>reader on whatever particular point they are trying to sell.

>”Sell” get it? Its them damn Joos trying to cash in again.

>> A few examples.

>Conveniently made up out of thin air.

>> If the writer is trying to indict the general civilians in the
>>areas of the extermination camps, then it was no secret.

>I can know what’s going on down the block without someone in Dorchester
>knowing about it. So what’s your point? Secrets can be held by many or by
>few. Its no secret that you’re an idiot, though.

>> If the writer is trying to explain why there is no record of a
>>master plan, then it was a secret.

>Which writer is this? There are plenty of Nazi records regarding the
>structure of the Final Solution. Quit lying already.

>> If the writer is trying to shame the United States for complicity
>>in the Holocaust, then is was no secret.
>>
>> Secret, yes? Secret, no? It all depends. It’s all right there in
>>the output of the Holocaust promotional network.

>Moron – clueless as usual, as befits our Kook of the Month.

It is good to see that you have never independently looked into what might have
happened. You were raised believing in all the variations upon this story and,
as will all the brain dead, incapable of independent thought.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 23:30:14 PDT 1996
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Nothing substantive was expected from this Jew traitor and there is no
disappointment here.

On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:36:42 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

># The four pieces of physical evidence of the extermination
># of 12 million people.

>Well, he forgot all the other documents, and the gas chambers,
>and the huge numbers of corpses and human remains, and the
>photographs, but never mind…

We have been over all of those. They have not withstood critical examinaiton.
Pay attention to the conference jew traitor.

># 1) Ausrotten speech, suspected of being by Himmler,
># exists only as a recording,

>A lie.

># not known if ever presented

>Only in Giwer’s world (the one in which Belsen Camp is
>in Poland, remember).

You will lie for your favorite holocaust as quickly as you will for your real
country, jew traitor.

># 2) Wannsee Protocol, which discusses forced emigration

>And explicitly states that the Jews “fit for work” will
>evenatually all be killed.

What does that have to do with TWELVE (12) million, jew traitor?

># 3) Vergassnungkeller letter, which uses a word form theretofore
># unknown in the German language that is construed to mean gas
># chamber despite the composing words and the structure of the
># sentence in which it is used.

>Huh? “Vergassnungkeller” = “gassing cellar”. Refers to Krema II,
>in which the gas chamber was indeed underground.

You holohuggers were kind enough to post the meaning of the word and it is not
what you claim it is, lying jew traitor.

># 4) insecticide traces, enough said

>Cyanide traces, actually.

Yes, cyanide was the insectide of choice but it was still an insecticide.

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On 26 Sep 1996 20:19:09 -0400, [email protected] (Michael P. Stein)
wrote:

>In article ,
>Kneeland wrote:
>> Speaking about the above, a book that must be read for a clear,
>>and quick summing up of Jewish machinations and chicaneries in the
>>Talmudic manner par excellence, is Samuel Roth’s “Jews Must Live”. It is a
>>must. Roth- who is ‘one of us’ – describes the talmudic religion of
>>Judaism a la Yom Kippur and its infamous Kol Nidre. Read this book.

> Would this be the same talmud that says “for transgressions between
>man and man, Yom Kippur brings no atonement until the injured party is
>appeased?” Just so you understand what that evil talmud says about that
>”infamous” Kol Nidre.

You make a good point that the provocation to violence in Israel was immediately
after getting rid of the baggage from the previous year.

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On 27 Sep 1996 01:32:39 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>> > And as part of the great spoken language debate, when the Mayor of
>Jerusalem
>> >gave his insult that the religious affront was for mercantile tourism he was
>> >speaking to the local TV cameras. He was also speaking english.
>Netanyahu
>> >speaking from Paris also spoke in English.
>
>> Matt, old cretin, if the mayor were speaking *only* for local news
>> shows, you never would have seen or heard him, would you? Or were
>> you in Jerusalem at the time? Of course Israelis frequently speak
>> English for an international audience. English is very popular and
>> widely spoken in Israel. Same in the Netherlands. That doesn’t make
>> English the national language of either country.

> It should also be noted that Netanyahu was educated at Cheltenham
>High School (a location well-known to students of American Constitutional law)
>where he was a school-mate of Reggie Jackson and MIT. For obvious reasons
>he is comfortable speaking English.

> –YFE

Way to go, dickless. Filed the complaint yet?

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 23:30:17 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Holocaust/UFO Analogy
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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 22:21:56 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

># But holohuggers do not even go that far. They find a
># picture, however innocuous say of two students standing
># in front of the class, and caption it something like
># “Jewish children berated in front of class” when there
># is not the least indication of their race or religion or
># that they are being berated in the picture.

>Of course, the Giwer forgot that something is written on
>the blackboard behind the two students.

>What does it say, Matty? You didn’t bother to check, right?

>I’m following this with the uuencoded photo.

I did. It does not identify the two students. But you know that.

># So you see, it is even easier to create holocaust pictures
># than UFO pictures.

>So says the Giwer, who continues to cite the web page of
>Ernst Zundel, a man who published a photograph allegedly
>taken inside a “German UFO control bunker”…

>Amazing.

What is truly amazing is that holohuggers who so over use ridicule think that
after the first week it might have some effect.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 23:30:18 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Murder, Uber Alles
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On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:11:50 GMT, [email protected] (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> Israeli troops are in the independent Gaza Strip, to “control” citizens of
>>Palestine without the invitation of Arafat.

>Um, Gaza got AUTONOMY, not INDEPENDENCE; that means when Arafat’s boys
>don’t do the job, Bibi’s boys have to.

>> That is an invasion.

>Wrong.

>>That is murder.

>Wrong again.

>>Demonstrations in Gaza are no business of
>>Israel.

>Third time’s a charm!

>>But then, tourists profits are more important than peace.

>Like tourists go to Gaza. Are you really that fucking stupid?
>Actually, forget that question, it’s already been established that you
>are.

>Gaza is the most overpopulated place on the PLANET; it has no
>plumbing! It is filled with the most violent radicals in all of
>Palestine. No westerner in their RIGHT MIND would EVER want to go
>there as a TOURIST. Why Israel ever kept it is a mystery to most
>Israelis and American Jews alike.

>> It is clearly a deliberate sabotage fo the peace process.

>By Arafat, if anyone.

>Fuck off, Matt. Fuck your whole family.

Now that Israel is so clearly engaged in murder that even the US is not
supporting its actions it appears you folks are getting hysterical. Israel has
not even given you a story that you can repeat with a straight face to justify
these murders.

The best it can say is that Palestinian shopkeepers agreed with Jewish
shopkeepers that it was a good idea to increase tourism earnings.

I just want to keep it up front and firmly in your face that Israel deliberately
provoked the entire incident with an action in the middle of the night and has
used it to sabotage everything that Netanyahu promised to terminate in his
campaign.

And I also want to keep it in your face that Israel is responsible for
everything that is happening.

If you do not like, don’t read it.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 23:30:19 PDT 1996
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On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:31:54 -0400, A Gryn wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>> Excuse me. You also are calling the israeli story a lie. They said nothing
>> about it being a spy ship. It is good to see you are at least honest enough to
>> admit Israel lied about the incident.

>I admit to it at the same time that it is good to see that you admit to
>an incestuous relationship with your son when he was 3.

>The fact that the Liberty was a spy ship just means that it wouldn’t
>have been murder to have killed all of them.

>The fact that it was a US spy ship is inconsequential – other than the
>Israeli’s might have held back from attacking had they known.

>I still say that the appropriate action to take on a spy is to disable
>him – unless it’s an American spy. Then you kill him.

The fact is you have called the official explanation given by Israel a lie.
Israel put the force of it national honor and integrity behind the statement
that it was a mistake. You are agreeing with me that they lied, having given up
its honor and integrity in order to promulgate the lie.

>> In fact your admission supports everything I have said and in particular that it
>> was deliberate murder.

>No – I admitted that you’re totally delusional and that the Israelis
>were too nice about stopping.

>>
>> >Oh, yes – I’m not a traitor, Matt.
>>
>> As you have dual citizenship with Canada and Israel, you have nothing to do with
>> the US.

>Wrong again, Matt.

>>
>> And it is good to learn from your fellow holohuggers that you speak fluent
>> Hebrew. You never mentioned that talent.

>Since nobody said that I did, I can only conclude that you continue to
>remain delusional.
>>
>> A Gryn
>>
>> BTW: Why the change?

>I felt like it.

Mike Carr felt like it.

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 00:07:49 PDT 1996
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On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:16:00 GMT, [email protected] (Aaron D. Gross) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>> Israeli provokes the end of peace
>> by
>> Matt Giwer (c) 1996 <9/26>
>> I find no way out of this conclusion. The facts are simple.
>>Israel opened a tunnel that has been known for decades and has
>>known for decades that Palestinians would not accept it being
>>opened.

>Wrong. The Arabs had already said YES to the tunnel under Teddy
>Kollek’s mayorship, years ago, in 1988, in return for control of
>King Solomon’s Stables. Look it up.

Excuse me, I would rather stick to the facts. This was a decision that involved
the PM. Second, the PLO was recognized as the only negotiating group for such
matter two years ago. Third, if it was an open agreement then it would not have
been done in the dead of night.

You can not hide in the dark and expect it to ignored in the light.

>The Palestinians simply wanted an excuse, any excuse, to test their
>new Labor-armed army of 30,000 “policemen” (sic). All reports
>indicate that the “riots” were tightly coordinated and that the only
>person capable of that was Arafat. If Bibi had sneezed at midnight
>near the Temple Mount and a Jew had responded “G-d bless you!” too
>loudly, THAT would have been taken as sufficient provocation.

IF the tunnel had not been opened there would have been no excuse for any
coordination of any rioting. And they clearly knew the response would be
unpleasant else it would not have been done in the dark of night. And they
clearly refuse to close it again.

>Note that the ratio of killed Israelis versus Arabs is higher than in
>any of the wars. This Palestinian success will be exploited for
>acquiring greater support and materiel from Syria, Iran, Libya, etc.
>50 martyrs, to them, will be a huge public relations coup and will
>solidly put Arafat back in the graces of those who said he was
>kowtowing to Israel.

And of course Israel made it all possible with the clear provocation.

>If this is the kind of turmoil the Palestinians can achieve with only
>a fraction of their 30,000-man “army”, imagine what they’d achieve as
>a sovereign nation, with tanks and warplanes, next door.

You insist upon ignoring the deliberate sabotage of the peace process by Israel.
ISRAELI demonstrators in Tel Aviv are calling for Netanyahu’s resignation
because of it. You may be of the war loving class but there are cooler heads in
Israel. Perhaps you should go there, enlist, and demand to be sent to the front
lines.

>Please keep in mind that to the West, Arafat says “two state”. To the
>Arab world he says “two stage”. It’s in the record.

>On a different note, tt’s nice to see that your antisemitism hasn’t
>changed from your old days 7 years ago on RIME, Matt. You remind me
>an awful lot like one of your RIME cohorts whose name sound very much
>like yours. He hangs out here on regular occasion until his arguments
>get blown out of the water. Blessedly, you don’t have his annoying
>knack of posting entire chapters of the opinions of others as if they
>were his own.

My “anti-semitism” is exactly the same as the anti-semitism of the demonstrators
in Tel Aviv calling for the resignation of the PM. If you have a problem with
that, take it up with Tel Aviv.

>I have a question for you, though, just to make sure he and you aren’t
>playing some kind of Superman/Clark Kent thing… can you define
>”antisemitism”?

>Shhhh.. “you-know-who’s” dilithium-crystal-powered super
>Internet-scanners and archivers are watching!

A definition? The same as the Jews in Tel Aviv who are demonstating against the
provocation. Do you really not pay attention to the news?

Are you still looking for antisemites under your bed every night? Silly twit.
Get with the program. 49.7% of Israelis do not agree with this kind of crap.
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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 00:23:09 PDT 1996
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On 26 Sep 1996 20:19:38 -0700, [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC)
wrote:

> “Of course I ahve [sic] not been to the museum, dumbtwat….
> It is only a lying idiot dumbtwat who would suggest that
> visiting a particular museum is a sine que non for belief.”
> (Matt Giwer, Sept. 4, 1996)

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Michael P. Stein) wrote:

>> Matt Giwer is caught lying yet again.

>> Only a very stupid person would continue to lie about the history of
>>posts in the newsgroup when he knows how easily DejaNews can be used to
>>expose his dishonesty.

>Mr. Giwer’s not that bright, nor sober enough, it would seem,
>to cover up his mental disability.

>For his most recent lies, see the updated “giwer-10q” file,
>available either by ftp or the web:

>http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/giwer-10q

>or….

>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/giwer-10q.html

>As has been the case for some time, Mr. Giwer is all mouth, no
>facts. The only fact, in fact, he seems comfortable with, is
>the view from the bottom of an empty Cherry Jack bottle.

>Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, a troller whose only
>interest is in causing fights. While he can sound superficially
>plausible, he has lied** about what has been said in exchanges (while
>accusing others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to
>see posts which contain documented refutation of his claims (even when
>they have been emailed to him), engaged in actual libel*, and generally
>conducted himself with such complete lack of intellectual and factual
>integrity that there seems to be no point in taking the time to read and
>respond. For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/

>To eliminate Mr. Giwer’s vulgarity from your daily newsreading, add the line

> /mgiwer@/f=j

>to your universal KILL file. If you do not enjoy the luxury of
>such a filter, simply delete Mr. Giwer’s articles unread.

>Followups to Giwer trolls should be redirected to Mr. Giwer’s special
>newsgroup, alt.bonehead.matt-giwer, where they will be appropriately
>ignored. If your site does not carry alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,
>redirect non-Holocaust articles to alt.politics.white-power,
>an equally vapid dumping ground for Giwerundian babblings.

> “Right on, fat broad. Do you have do clean up McVay with your lips
> also? What a stupid and fat broad. If you are interested in the
> dictionary it is right there before fatbroad. The only way you got
> your title is by laying McVay and you know it. You have no other
> qualifications. You contribute nothing. You accept only sperm from
> a thing.” (Matt Giwer, at the height of vulgarity, June 22, 1996)

>–
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On 24 Sep 1996 07:24:54 -0700, [email protected] (Nizkor Canada)
wrote:

>Archive/File: camps/aktion.reinhard/sobibor/staff/wagner.gustav
>Last-modified: 1993/04/18

>”Oberschafuhrer Gustav Wagner

Note that his name if WAGNER.

>”The man who actually supervised the routine and daily life at Sobibor was
>Gustav Wagner. He was the quartermaster-sergeant of the camp. Moshe Bahir
>described him:

> “He was a handsome man, tall and blonde — a pure Aryan.

There is no such thing as Aryan but Moses recognizes it immediately even though
blond adults were a rarity.

In civilian
> life he was, no doubt, a well-mannered man; at Sobibor he was a wild
> beast. His lust to kill knew no bounds.

The SEX connection, a LUST to kill. Real LUST here. Give him lust and nothing
but.

I saw such terrible scenes
> that they give me nightmares to this day. He would snatch babies from
> their mothers’ arms and tear them to pieces in his hands.

Who is this guy, really? Sampson? Tearing babies to pieces with his bare
hands?

Think about it a minute. Tearing babies apart. Has anyone ever tried tearing
apart and uncooked chicken without a knife? How about a rabbit? You have not
tried it?

Fine, go buy a whole chicken, much smaller than a human baby and tear it apart
with your bare hands.

Now that you are exhausted to no success in this tearing apart a many days dead
carcass, what do you think of this claim? You still believe it? You have to be
jewish.

I saw him
> beat two men to death with a rifle, because they did not carry out his
> instructions properly, since they did not understand German. I
> remember that one night a group of youths aged fifteen or sixteen
> arrived in the camp. The head of this group was one Abraham. After a
> long and arduous work day, this young man collapsed on his pallet and
> fell asleep. Suddenly Wagner came into our barrack, and Abraham did
> not hear him call to stand up at once before him. Furious, he pulled
> Abraham naked off his bed and began to beat him all over his body.
> When Wagner grew weary of the blows, he took out his revolver and
> killed him on the spot. This atrocious spectacle was carried out
> before all of us, including Abraham’s younger brother. <1>

Is this not a wonderful description. First he beats people to death with a
rifle (quite a difficult proposition but simple to those who believe he could
tear infants apart with his bare hands) and then he beats a man with his bear
hands. And fhen finally he pulls out a non-regulation revolver and shoots him.
Not a Lugar, not a Vis, but a revolver. And noting that earlier he beat a man
to death with a rifle instead of simply shooting him with the rifle.

Ah well, those wild and crazy guys were at it again.

>”Wagner’s ruthless behavior toward the Jews is mentioned in some other
>testimonies of Sobibor survivors. Ada Lichtman writes that on the fast day
>of Yom Kippur, Wagner appeared at the roll call, took out some prisoners,
>gave them bread and ordered them to eat. As the prisoners ate the bread, he
>laughed loudly; he enjoyed his joke because he knew the Jews he had forced
>to eat were pious. <2>

He forced them to violate their religion and laughed. Does not every
manifestation of pure demonic evil laugh? Real evil is people like the murderer
of Paula Klass. Real evil is people like Dahlmer. Real evil does not laugh.
But melodramtic, poor fiction evil always laughs.

Is there any difference in principle from this “laughing” and Count Dracula, aka
Bela Legosi laughing? Why is it that evil only laughs in stories and not in
real life?

>”Gustav Wagner escaped after the war to Brazil, where he lived openly. The
>Brazilian Supreme Court refused to extradite him. In October 1980 his
>attorney announced that Wagner had committed suicide.”

Ah, yes, and Count Dracula escaped to England where he was later reported dead
to Van Helsing but lived again in the sequals.

><1> Publication of the Museum of the Combatants and Partisans, Tel Aviv,
> April, 1973, p.37
><2> Ada Lichtman. Yad Vashem Archives, L-11/5, testimony of Ada Lichtman
> pp. 36-37

>Excerpted from….———————————————-
>BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA – the Operation Reinhard Death Camps
>Indiana University Press – Yitzhak Arad, 1987. ISBN 0-253-3429-7

Ah, yes, the collection of melodramatic fairy tales that impresses immature
idiots.

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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:14:07 -0700, Dmitri Krylov wrote:

>SHUT UP YOUR DIRTY MOUTH

The obvious truth appears to bother you.

Yes, Israelis are murdering again. If they just had the balls to admit it,
they might earn some respect.

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On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 01:00:23 +0100, Jeffrey wrote:

>Hitler and the ‘Big Lie’

>
>It has been repeated so often that virtually no one bothers to challenge
>it: Adolf Hitler created and used the “Big Lie,” one of his many evil
>techniques. As holds true for so many things we are told, this belief,
>too, must be examined to see the underlying truth.

>In Mein Kampf, Hitler wrote:

>[begin quote]

>But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for
>falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute
>responsibility for the downfall [of Germany in WWI] precisely to the man
>who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to
>prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation
>from that hour of complete overthrow and shame.

Actually what he missed what that he was referring primarily to eastern
europeans who minds do not work the same way as western europeans. They express
themselves in allegories and exaggerations. They recount stories about facts
rather than facts themselves.

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 02:09:32 PDT 1996
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On 26 Sep 1996 20:01:40 -0400, [email protected] (Michael P. Stein)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Matt Giwer wrote:
>> My first information came from the ITN Network News. They reported the Israeli
>>use of live ammunition. Now after three US news reports not one of them has
>>mentioned the use of live ammunition.

> No, only the fact that people died. If you think that happens with
>dead ammunition that is your problem.

Perhaps you missed the Israeli claim they were using rubber bullets only. Three
dead 70 some wounded which is more than enough to give the lie to the Israeli
claim.

>>ITN reported the Israeli first use of guns from observation by the reporter.

> No physical evidence, in other words.

It is Muslim word against Jew word. Muslims have a thing about honesty. Jews
do not, as in the attack on the Liberty.

>>The US news has reported the Israeli statement that the Palestinians were the
>>first to use guns.
>>
>> Once more Sobran is proven correct. The US is in the hands of Israel.
>>
>>And as part of the great spoken language debate, when the Mayor of Jerusalem
>>gave his insult that the religious affront was for mercantile tourism he was
>>speaking to the local TV cameras.

> Really? So you saw this on Israeli television in Israel? What are
>you doing there? And they did not provide Hebrew subtitles at least?

Are you really so stupid? Of course not, you are playing holohugger cute.

> Or do you suppose there might have been a few cameras from American
>news organizations as well, and some local cameras as well?

>>He was also speaking english. Netanyahu speaking from Paris also spoke
>>in English.

> By Giwer’s standards, this proves that the language of France is
>English.

Like my mother always said, holohugger is as holohugger does.

She meant, infantile.
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On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:41:27 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>Letter from Dr August Becker to SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rauff, 16 May 1942
>[Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression – Washington, U.S Govt. Print.
>Off., 1946, Vol III, p. 418]
>———————————————————————-
>I ordered the vans of group D to be camouflaged as house trailers by
>putting one set of window shutters on each side of the small van and
>two on each side of the large vans, such as one often sees on farm
>houses in the country. The vans became so well known, that not only
>the authorities but also the civilian population called the van “death
>van”, as soon as one of these vehicles appeared. It is my opinion the
>van cannot be kept secret for any length of time, not even
>camouflaged…

>Besides that, I ordered that during application of gas all the men
>were to be kept as far away from the vans as possible, so they should
>not suffer damage to their health by the gas which eventually would
>escape. I should like to take this opportunity to bring the following
>to your attention: several commands have had the unloading after the
>application of gas done by their own men. I brought to the attention
>of those S.K [Special Kommando] concerned the immense psychological
>injuries and damages involved to their health that this work can have
>for those men, even if not immediately, at least later on. The men
>complained to me about head-aches which appeared after each unloading.
>Nevertheless they don’t want to change the orders, because they are
>afraid prisoners called for that work could use an opportune moment to
>flee. To protect the men from these damages, I request orders to be
>issued accordingly.

>The application of the gas is not undertaken correctly. In order to
>come to an end as fast as possible, the driver presses the accelerator
>to the fullest extent. By doing that the persons to be executed suffer
>death from suffocation and not death by dozing off as was planned. My
>directions have now proved that by correct adjustment of the levers
>death comes faster and the prisoners fall asleep peacefully. Distorted
>faces and excretions, such as could be seen before, are no longer
>noticed.

>

>-Danny Keren.

Letter from Dr August Becker to SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rauff, 16 May 1942
[Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression – Washington, U.S Govt. Print.
Off., 1946, Vol III, p. 418]

———————————————————————-

I ordered the vans of group D to be camouflaged as house trailers
by putting one set of window shutters on each side of the small
van and two on each side of the large vans, such as one often
sees on farm houses in the country.

[Here we have the clever technique of camoflaging trucks as
farm houses by the rouse of adding window shutters. No one would
ever guess they were not really farm houses. Why even the
Jellystone park ranger was taken in.]

The vans became so well
known, that not only the authorities but also the civilian
population called the van “death van”, as soon as one of these
vehicles appeared. It is my opinion the van cannot be kept secret
for any length of time, not even camouflaged…

[Amazing that the camoflauge as a farm house failed. Maybe
people noticed them moving. Even Mr. Ranger caught on.]

Besides that, I ordered that during application of gas all the
men were to be kept as far away from the vans as possible, so
they should not suffer damage to their health by the gas which
eventually would escape.

[Ah yes, those stupid Germans had to be warned about engine
exhaust. Maybe Mr. Ranger had to tell them the rules.]

I should like to take this opportunity
to bring the following to your attention: several commands have
had the unloading after the application of gas done by their own
men.

[What “gas” is engine exhaust? Obviously a confusion
between ZB and CO. Or could is possibly be that the “witness”
had no idea how the things worked?]

I brought to the attention of those S.K [Special Kommando]

[There we go again. Sonderkommando is one word. SK not S.K
would be the abbreviation. Another fucked up translation into
German.]

concerned the immense psychological injuries and damages involved
to their health that this work can have for those men, even if
not immediately, at least later on. The men complained to me
about head-aches which appeared after each unloading.

[Amazing that they would complain but a trivial amount of
engine exhaust that would disappear in seconds of opening the
doors. They must be talking about something other than engine
exhaust. Perhaps it was Eastern Front Syndrome?]

Nevertheless they don’t want to change the orders, because they
are afraid prisoners called for that work could use an opportune
moment to flee. To protect the men from these damages, I request
orders to be issued accordingly.

[Orders for what? Trivial amounts of engine exhaust?]

The application of the gas is not undertaken correctly. In order
to come to an end as fast as possible, the driver presses the
accelerator to the fullest extent. By doing that the persons to
be executed suffer death from suffocation and not death by dozing
off as was planned. My directions have now proved that by correct
adjustment of the levers death comes faster and the prisoners
fall asleep peacefully. Distorted faces and excretions, such as
could be seen before, are no longer noticed.

[Here we have it. Not only the accelerator but “correct
adjustment of the levers” matters. What levers? What gas? Why
is the accelerator involved? Is it a reference to the spark and
choke levers? But when the engine is warmed up, it stalls out if
improperly set. But of course, holohuggers find this credible.]

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 02:09:34 PDT 1996
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On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:40:41 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>Letter from Dr. Erhard Wetzel to Reichskommissar Lohse, October 25, 1941
>[Hitler and the Final Solution – G. Fleming, University of California
>Press, 1984, p. 70]
>————————————————————————
>With regard to my letter of 18 October 1941, please be informed that
>Oberdiensleiter [Chief Executive Officer] Brack from the Fuehrer’s
>Chancellory has stated his readiness to assist in the construction of
>the necessary accommodations and gassing apparatuses, so they must
>first be constructed. Brack’s view is that, since construction of the
>apparatuses within the Reich would present far greater difficulties
>than on-site production, the most expedient course of action is to
>send his people directly to Riga, in particular his chemist Dr.
>Kallmeyer, who will take the necessary steps from there.
>Oberdiensleiter Brack further points out that the procedure in
>question is not without its hazards, and that therefore special safety
>precautions are needed. Under these circumstances, I ask you to
>contact Oberdiensleiter Brack in the Fuehrer’s Chancellory through
>your higher SS and Police leader. Please request from him the
>dispatching of the chemist Dr. Kallmeyer and any further assistants
>that are needed. I might further point out that Sturmbannfuehrer
>Eichmann, the adviser on Jewish affairs in the Reich main security
>office, is in complete accord with this procedure. According to the
>information received here from Sturmbannfuehrer Eichmann, camps for
>Jews will be set up in Riga and Minsk, where Jews from the Altreich
>[Germany proper] might also be sent. Jews are currently being
>evacuated from the Altreich to Lodz and other camps, from which those
>fit for work will be transferred to work forces in the east. Given the
>present situation, Jews who are not fit for work can be eliminated
>without qualms through use of the Brack device. Incidents such as
>those that took place during the shootings of Jews in Vilna, according
>to a report I have on my desk, can hardly be sanctioned, keeping in
>mind that the executions were undertaken openly, and the new
>procedures assure that such incidents will no longer be possible. Jews
>fit for work, on the other hand, will be transported to work forces in
>the east. That the men and women in this latter group must be kept
>apart from each other goes without saying. Please keep me informed as
>to any further measures you take.

Ah, yes, the infamous Brack Device which no one has ever found even a
description of. It is suspected by revisionists to refer to the polaxing iron
plate operated by the foot tredle from the other side of the room. Others have
considered it to be the infamous conveyor belt electrocution method.

However it has recently been determined that the Brack Device was an exploding
picnic basket which unsuspecting Jews were given before being sent off into the
woods.

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 09:32:34 PDT 1996
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On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 00:21:03 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

> Giwer wants to kill people who disagree
> with him about historical facts
> —————————————

>Since my opinion about the attack on the USS Liberty,
>in the midst of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, differs from
>his (I believe the attack was an accident), Matt Giwer
>says I deserve to die, and he adds an explicit threat to
>kill me himself.

Jew traitors have only the opinions Israel permits them. As to your dying, I
would prefer to have you live to regret your shame.

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 16:04:53 PDT 1996
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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 04:48:56 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>># 4) insecticide traces, enough said

>>>Cyanide traces, actually.

>> Yes, cyanide was the insectide of choice but it was still an insecticide.

>And insecticides cannot hurt people because they are meant to kill
>only insects, right Matt?

Even DDT can kill in sufficient quantity but finding traces of it, particularly
when there was a delousing chamber in LK I is not evidence that it was used on
people.

But you know that.

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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 14:53:16 GMT, [email protected] (George F. Hardy)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, A Gryn says:

>>The fact that the Liberty was a spy ship just means that it wouldn’t
>>have been murder to have killed all of them.

>The USS Liberty was not a spy ship. It flew a USA flag quite
>clearly.

>Israel painted out the naitonal markings on the aircraft they
>used to attack the USS Liberty.

The exercise was quite useless as Israel had the only French planes in the area.

>I would say that the facts speak for themselves. Israel was
>the dishonest, covert, (by international law) illegally acting
>country. The USA was operating a military ship, clearly marked,
>in international waters.

>Israel was wrong, and *knew* that they were wrong.

So do honest Americans.

The story has continued to fester for nearly thirty years. During
that time numerous senior members of the Lyndon Johnson administration,
in office at the time, have come forward to say that the attack was no
accident. These include former Secretary of State Dean Rusk; former
Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Tom Moorer; former NSA chief
General Marshall Carter and his deputy, Dr. Lou Tordella; former White
House Press Secretary George Christian; former US Ambassador to Lebanon
Dwight Porter who heard some of the radio conversations at the time, and
others. Two former Israeli military officers have come forward to
tell their inside stories confirming survivors’ charges that the attack
was no accident. Despite these reports, and despite charges by
survivors that the official Israeli story is untrue, Congress has for
thirty years refused to conduct a public investigation. The attack on
the USS Liberty remains the only major maritime incident in all US
history that has not been publicly investigated by the United States
Congress.

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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 04:51:24 -0500, [email protected] (Andy Walton) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Schoedel
> wrote:

> :Mr. McVay,
> :
> :You are correct in stating that ten months ago I ceded to you that maybe
> :use of my posts would be allowed under fair-use rules.
> :
> :For your information, please visit
> :http://www.clari.net/brad/copymyths.html for a nice definition of
> :copyright laws and examples…
> :
> :You will find, in short, that your usage of my materials — which I have
> :long since retracted, as being the rantings of a misled youth — is a
> :direct violation of U.S. Copyright Law.

>U.S. Copyright law is irrelevant in a global medium (and you’re addressing
>a dual-citizen residing in and operating out of Canada, lest you forget).
>The Berne Convention is binding if anything is. In this medium, where the
>law is still nebulous at best, the most liberal possible interpretation of
>the law (or, more apropos, treaty) must apply until further notice.

And in even the most liberal of interpretations, all usage other than the clear
exceptions in the international convention, require permission. Canada, being a
signatory, has its laws in conformance with that requirement for permission.
Therefore, McVay and the other two are in violation of Canadian law. And of
course that is knowing violation of Canadian law.

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On 28 Sep 1996 09:01:44 GMT, [email protected] (mEYer) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Matt Giwer) says:
>>
>>On 26 Sep 1996 20:01:40 -0400, [email protected] (Michael P. Stein)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>>> My first information came from the ITN Network News. They reported the Israeli
>>>>use of live ammunition. Now after three US news reports not one of them has
>>>>mentioned the use of live ammunition.
>>
>>> No, only the fact that people died. If you think that happens with
>>>dead ammunition that is your problem.
>>
>> Perhaps you missed the Israeli claim they were using rubber bullets only. Three
>>dead 70 some wounded which is more than enough to give the lie to the Israeli
>>claim.
>>
>>>>ITN reported the Israeli first use of guns from observation by the reporter.
>>
>>> No physical evidence, in other words.
>>
>> It is Muslim word against Jew word. Muslims have a thing about honesty. Jews
>>do not, as in the attack on the Liberty.
>>
>>>>The US news has reported the Israeli statement that the Palestinians were the
>>>>first to use guns.
>>>>
>>>> Once more Sobran is proven correct. The US is in the hands of Israel.
>>>>
>>>>And as part of the great spoken language debate, when the Mayor of Jerusalem
>>>>gave his insult that the religious affront was for mercantile tourism he was
>>>>speaking to the local TV cameras.
>>
>>> Really? So you saw this on Israeli television in Israel? What are
>>>you doing there? And they did not provide Hebrew subtitles at least?
>>
>> Are you really so stupid? Of course not, you are playing holohugger cute.
>>
>>> Or do you suppose there might have been a few cameras from American
>>>news organizations as well, and some local cameras as well?
>>
>>>>He was also speaking english. Netanyahu speaking from Paris also spoke
>>>>in English.
>>
>>> By Giwer’s standards, this proves that the language of France is
>>>English.
>>
>> Like my mother always said, holohugger is as holohugger does.
>>
>> She meant, infantile.
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>loser, another total mental case. Killfile done

Thank you. This is about the truth, not Israeli propaganda.

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On 28 Sep 1996 06:47:55 GMT, [email protected](JOEL BERKMAN) wrote:

>In <52[email protected]> [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) writes:
>>
>>On 26 Sep 1996 15:07:52 GMT, [email protected] (andy riveria) wrote:
>>
>>>In article , [email protected] says…
>>>>
>>>>In <[email protected]>
>[email protected]
>>>(Matt Giwer) writes:
>>>>
>>>>! You may have wondered why jews support the traitor Pollard.

>>>>!
>>>>! That is because he is a Jew and they are jews and american
>>>>! jews who support either are scum jew traitors.
>>>>!
>>>>! But then, why be redundant. I said they were jews.
>>>>!
>>>>! And not one Jew has spoken against any of them.
>>>>!
>>>>! They do stick together.
>>>>
>>>>Caution lest he be judged by the company he keeps.
>>
>>>FACT: oliver north sold arms to iran
>>
>>>FACT: at the time iran said there was a state of war between american

>>>and iran
>>
>>>FACT: at the time iran was actively carrying out acts of terrroism
>>>against the united states around the world
>>
>>>FACT: oliver north has confessed to an act of treason
>>
>>>FACT: oliver north is a hero to the christian coalition
>>
>> Two points here.
>>
>> The first is trivial in that in the proper legal precedent he did
>not commit
>>treason, a legal technicality but true.

>no he commited treason he has never been chardged.

The requirement of law is that there be a state of war declared by the US for
treason to be possible. You should know that.

>pollard is in jail because he is a jew

Apparently you are saying that all jews are guilty of violation of the espionage
laws fo the US. Do you have more evidence than you mere say so?

>north is free because he is a christian.

Your self-serving jewish ignorance of the law is no excuse.

>that my friend is the truth

Rather you are a lying jew. And you know you are lying. And that does appear
to be very redundant.

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The Prime Minister had declared the tunnel, that benefits only merchants, will
never be closed, vowing that the provocation will never end.

Unless he can be replaced it may be the beginning of the end of Israel, again.
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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 17:46:20 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 04:03:13 -0700, Brian Harmon wrote:

>Jeffrey wrote:
>>
>> Picture [see thread entitled BOMMB] taken by an allied aircraft over
>> Birkenau [Auschwitz II] on Sept 13th 1944.
>[..]
>> It shows Bombs which have been dropped onto the nearby rubber plant.
>> [at Monowitz, which is designated Auschwitz III]
>>
>> Below the bombs and clearly visible [below the tip of the bottom middle
>> bomb] is [except if your name is Morris apparently]
>>
>> Crematory No II with the morgues going from the building.
>>
>> On the one to the left are no VENTS.

>Not necessarily. The fact that a camera on a bomber
>does not see them doesn’t mean they aren’t there.

>There is no reason to suspect that the camera on this
>bomber has anything close to the resolution one would
>expect on a reconaissance plane.

>In fact, the amount of detail one sees in these bombing
>run photos is lacking compared to the aerial recon photos.

>For example, in the Aerial recon photos in the CIA report,
>you can clearly see the chimneys on the Kremas, and the pattern
>on some landscaping near Krema II.

We have been over that. Those marks are clearly not vents, they cast no
shadows, they are not in a straight line, they are not a regular shape, and they
are too large. Pay attention to the newsgroup.

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 17:46:21 PDT 1996
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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 03:10:32 -0700, Brian Harmon wrote:

>Jeffrey wrote:
>>
>> Rudolf Hoess
>> Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Hoess is often cited as one of the most
>> important witnesses to the “Holocaust,” if not the most important.

>Note that Jeff does NOT cite any historians that claim this.

>If Jeff can then cast asperisions on Hoess’s credibility, he
>can then erroneously conclude that the Holocaust was a lie.

>> It was this affidavit, and his later confirmation of its truthfulness,
>> that laid the foundation for and validated the extermination story of
>> Auschwitz.

>This overstates the point by a mile.

>Besides Hoess, we have the testimony of Filip Mueller,
>Pery Broad, Eichmann, Dr. Hans Muench, Kremer, and Boeck,
>just to name a few. They all saw the gassings, and never
>denied that it happened.

And since people swore to witchcraft and intercourse with the devil you must
believe in that also. You are very, very stupid to believe in witchcraft.

>[ much of Kremer’s evidence wrt gassing came from his
> diary. ]

>On top of that, there are aerial photos of the gas chambers,
>documents describing orders for gas tight doors and ventilation
>systems for the gas chambers,

You have not been paying attention. The holohuggers have abandoned the idea
that it was the entire LK and are not insisting that it was one of the five
rooms inside the LK. All of the above was forwarded when the holohuggers took
the position that it was the entire building. None of ever applied to one of
the inside rooms.

orders for Zyklon B calling
>it ‘material for resettlement’, documents and letters between
>Nazis describing the gassing (Franke-Griksche,

We have been over all of that. It has no relevance to the discussion. Pay
attention to the conference.

>Beyond that, you have cyanide traces in the gas chambers
>themselves.

You mean in the delousing chamber that was installed in LK I? What did you
expect?

>But please, don’t take my word for it. please check out
>Nizkor’s Auschwitz FAQ:

Why would something carried by Nizkor have any different credibility than you?
It has no stature other than a hobby site.

>And for a discussion of Cyanide traces in the Auschwitz gas
>chambers, please see:

>https://nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research/index.html

That has also been discarded for improper sampling methodology. Pay attention
to the discussion.

>> His affidavit read, in part: (note 1)
>> I, Rudolf Franz Ferdinand Hoess, being first duly sworn, depose and say
>> as follows:
>> 2. … I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December 1943, and estimate that at
>> least 2,500,000 victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing
>> and burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation
>> and disease making a total dead of about 3,000,000. This figure
>> represents about 70% or 80% of all persons sent to Auschwitz as
>> prisoners,
>[snip]

>It’s worth pointing out that at no time did Hoess recant
>his testimony, despite many opportunities to do so.

Very few of the witches did either. Why do you believer in witchcraft?

>In fact, the only changes he did make to his story was to
>say that the death toll he originally gave (2.5 million)
>was given to him by Eichmann, and was too high.

>By his caluclations, the death toll was slightly over one
>million.

>If his testimony was fed to him by his captors, why would
>he lower his estimates? Why not either hold onto the 2.5 million
>figure or even increase it to the Soviet figure of 4 million?

Witches are witches, you must realize that. But if you really want the
explanation, the people who prepared it didn’t try hard enough to produce a
consistent story.

As it is clear that he would not produce that “confession” prior to his trials
as it would be an admission of guilt, when did he find time to write it?
Despite the assertions of the Chuckle Fairy he was hung a month after his
conviction on the second set of charges. It is unclear why he would have needed
a second trial if they were able to convict him on the original charges.

Can you explain it?

>> When Hoess testified at the Nuremberg trial, this portion of the
>> affidavit was read to him, and he reaffirmed its accuracy: (note 2)

>In other words, when given the opportunity to say, “no, that’s
>not true, that didn’t happen..” he didn’t.

>> Since then, Hoess’ testimony and affidavit have been heavily relied upon
>> by “Holocaust” researchers from Raul Hilberg to Jean-Claude Pressac.
>> Hundreds of histories, testimonies, and treatments of the Third Reich
>> era quote Hoess to show the brutality and evilness of the Nazis.

>Again, this overstates the point. Hoess was the Kommandant at only
>one camp, while Nazi brutality also occurred at many other installations,
>including Dachau, Bergen Belsen, Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec.

>The Einsatzgruppen operated inside Russia, killing hundreds of
>thousands of innocents.

4.2 million jews alone. Keep that in mind. And it is not clear where the 6
million non-jews were “exterminated” or why. You have to explain the entire
story. You can’t just pick bits and pieces of it.

>Plenty of Nazi brutality went on _outside_ of Auschwitz, and had
>nothing to do with Hoess.

>For a discussion of the extermination facilities at other camps,
>please see:

>https://nizkor.org/faqs/reinhard/index.html

>Documents concerning the Einsatzgruppen are archived in:

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen

>> Visitors to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum are confronted with a
>> plaque bearing Hoess’ words upon entering the Museum.

>> We now know that Hoess was beaten almost to death by Jewish members of
>> the British Field Police upon capture and badly mistreated thereafter
>> until he gave his “affidavit” and “testimony.”

>Not true. He was beaten and a confession (the affidavit) you describe
>was extracted from him. His _testimony_ came later, during several
>trials of Nazis, including his own.

So you mean the only threat he faced for denying it was to beaten again? And as
we also know to have his wife and children sent to Siberia if he did not support
the confession beaten out of him.

At least you are more honest than most holohuggers in admitting the confession
was the result of torture — back to witchs, no?

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 19:26:55 PDT 1996
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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 03:19:11 GMT, [email protected] (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:53:42, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>#In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Derek Bell)
>writes:
>#>From: [email protected] (Derek Bell)
>#>Subject: Hebrew, Netanyahu ==> Giwer’s wrong again!
>#>Date: 27 Sep 1996 19:41:09 +0100
>#
>#> I just looked at CNN’s website and the main story is about the
>#>tragic situation where Israelis and Palestinians are fighting again.
>#
>#> It also mentions Netanyahu said that he had spoken with Arafat
>over
>#>the phone and that he would consider an invitation from the Egyptian
>President
>#>to speak with Arafat in Cairo. Netanyahu’s spoke _in Hebrew_.
>#
>#> I can’t see how Giwer’s going to explain this.
>#
>#Obviously, it’s a Zionist plot to make Giwer look like a drooling, raving
>#idiot.

>Giwer can look like a fool all on his own, Joel. He doesn’t need any help
>other than a (cheap) bottle of scotch.

It is interesting that while the art of character assassination as practiced
here by the holohuggers is outlined in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion it is
also asserted that the Protocols are a forgery.

At this point I would have to hold that they might as well be true. Perhaps the
forger ws merely very insightful.

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 19:26:56 PDT 1996
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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 03:56:32 -0700, [email protected] (Rajiv K.
Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Greg Matson
> wrote:

>From: Greg Matson
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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>> You just proved what an asshole you are ! Smuck ! How about you you
>> yiddish bastard, are you too afraid to debate Winston Smith on the hoax
>> of the holocaust ?

>Doesn’t troll h*ber know that he is discovered ? Is he really this stupid ?

Call 1-800-BEWHOLE immediately.

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 19:26:56 PDT 1996
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On 28 Sep 1996 21:57:45 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>: On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:11:15 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>:> The Troll wrote:

>: >> 1) Ausrotten speech, suspected of being by Himmler, exists only
>: >> as a recording, not known if ever presented
>: >
>: >Not suspected. Documented. Verified. Proven.
>:
>: I know the holohugger story has changed but that is still false.

>Uh-huh. There’s a standing offer from Nizkor to verify this,
>Matt. So far, you’ve always chickened out on it. Wanna put your
>money where your mouth is now?

I do not deal in sucker bets.
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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 19:26:57 PDT 1996
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On 28 Sep 1996 20:34:06 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:

>tom moran ([email protected]) wrote:
>:
>: Looks like Giwer has done it again. He has come out and given the
>: Holocaust Defense League an avenue of diversion from the real problem.
>:
>: What? No rabbis?

>Tom, you still haven’t explained why you expect the Nazis to include
>Rabbis on a list of Christian clergymen.

The list does not say christian. Now, why no rabbis?

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 19:26:58 PDT 1996
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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 22:59:22 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

># but finding traces of it, particularly when there was a delousing
># chamber in LK I is not evidence that it was used on people.

>Are you now claiming that LK1 – the gas chamber – was a delousing
>chamber?

Read VERY, VERY carefully, jew traitor. I said there was a delousing chamber in
LK I. The documentation for it was found in Russia six years ago. You know
that. It has been posted here. You know that also.

The conference does not stop going forward simply because you have not been
paying attention.

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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 15:33:48 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

># We have been over all of those. They have not withstood
># critical examinaiton.

>Since when is a senile, unemployed since the age of 46 bum,
>who thinks Belsen camp was in Poland, an authority on Nazi
>documents?

>What is this? Some joke? Wake up, Matty.

They still have not withstood critical examination. The conference does not go
backwards to rehash the holohugger blues.

># Pay attention to the conference jew traitor.

>”Traitor”? If there are any traitors here, they are the
>”revisionist” Nazi scum who apologize for and lie on
>behalf of the Nazis, murderers in cold blood of American
>POW’s.

Yes, you are a jew and a traitor and a willing propagandist for the lies of
Israel.

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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 16:27:58 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

># Read the information holohuggers fear
># http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg

>Web site of Hitler admirer, who wrote (on GEnie) that
>”Hitler was a great man”, and “the best thing that could
>have happened to Germany”

># http://www.webcom.com/~zundel

>Web site of an insane person, who believes that the Nazi
>leadership fled the Reich using “secret UFO’s”, and are
>now hiding in the inner earth, which they entered via a
>”hole in the South-Pole”. He even claims to have met some
>of the scientists who built the “UFO’s”…

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/z/zundel.ernst/flying-saucers

>Contains both text and images from Zundel’s publications
>about these “UFO’s”.

>Quoted from one of these publications (see saucers.text):

> “During the course of our research, we have discovered some
>of the original German flying saucer scientists who are still
>alive! These space pioneers are, of course, old men now in
>their 70s and 80s. Our interviews with them will be
>incorporated into our regular lecture program as well as into
>our future books”.
>
>This is *not* a joke; these are the opinions of “leading
>Holocaust revisionist”, Ernst Zundel, whose web page
>Matt Giwer considers to be an authority on the history
>of WW2.

And thus the jew traitor libels his betters. But then, most everyone but Joel
Rosenberg are his betters.

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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 22:47:22 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] writes:

># You have already received the answer, yet you pretend that
># you did not. The British supplied water to the camp by piping
># it in from the river running near the camp. The river which
># Kramer thought was polluted.

>And the Nazis also probably thought the food in the stores
>nearby was contaminated, so they didn’t give it to the inmates?

>And in Auschwitz, the SS probably thought the air was polluted,
>so they killed the deportees in order to prevent them from
>breathing it?

>Tell me – are you serious?

It is interesting to note that the jew traitor can not deal with the water issue
even though it knows it is wrong.

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 19:35:29 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Liberty’s attack on Israel was cold-blooded murder.
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On 28 Sep 1996 16:49:08 GMT, [email protected] (Alec Grynspan) wrote:

>In <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>>On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:31:54 -0400, A Gryn wrote:
>>
>>>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>> The fact is you have called the official explanation given by Israel a lie.
>>Israel put the force of it national honor and integrity behind the statement
>>that it was a mistake. You are agreeing with me that they lied, having given up
>>its honor and integrity in order to promulgate the lie.

>The official story might have contained elements of fiction – to protect
>the asses of US politicos, no Israel.
>>>>
>>>> A Gryn
>>>>
>>>> BTW: Why the change?
>>
>>>I felt like it.
>>
>> Mike Carr felt like it.
>>

>FWIW – you are totally a fool.

>Now – go check the Internic as to who owns tor250.org.

>Then check the path lines as to how my message arrived.

>I have multiple ways to access the newsgroups, which go by different paths.

>To track the stuff via headers, I decided to use different IDs.

>Now I can tell how well the routing is going without retrieving my
>articles each time.

>But – Matt Giwer is so knowledgable about the Internet and is gonna have
>his vewy own widdle T1 and ISP that he doesn’t even know how a follow-up
>works.

>BTW – I also provide virtual domain services for other domains.

>But you’re so friggin IGNORANT that you don’t even know what that means.

>An ignorant, childish NOTHING, Matt. That’s what you are.

>And those are your good points.

Don’t get your murdering bowels in an uproar. It was only an observation.

BTW: Mike Carr has not responded to my offer of copies of the rest of your
mailbombs. Are you sure he really wants them?
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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 19:38:18 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: the four pieces of physical evidence
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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 19:06:37 -0300, Keith Morrison wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>> The four pieces of physical evidence of the extermination of
>> 12 million people.
>>
>> 1) Ausrotten speech, suspected of being by Himmler, exists only
>> as a recording, not known if ever presented
>>
>> 2) Wannsee Protocol, which discusses forced emigration but
>> otherwise appears to have been unimplemented
>>
>> 3) Vergassnungkeller letter, which uses a word form theretofore
>> unknown in the German language that is construed to mean gas
>> chamber despite the composing words and the structure of the
>> sentence in which it is used.
>>
>> 4) insecticide traces, enough said

>Which is exactly four more pieces of physical evidence than have been
>ever presented to support the assertion that the Israelis deliberately
>attacked the Liberty, another position Giwer swears is true.

The hull of the Liberty was quite sufficient. But you know that.

>Interesting dichotomy with regard to his requirements for proof, no?

There has been no change. None of the four are sufficient to cover 12 million
murders. None are sufficient to cover any murders for that matter.

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 19:38:19 PDT 1996
Article: 69785 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 19:35:46 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

> Looks like Giwer has done it again. He has come out and given the
>Holocaust Defense League an avenue of diversion from the real problem.

As you may have noticed, it is a matter of time in their diversions until they
blurt out the truth. It takes a bit more patience this way but they cut off
their escape routes in the process.

> What? No rabbis?

And if I did not do it, they would start long thread answering the question,
what? no rabbits?

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 21:06:02 PDT 1996
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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 20:11:03 -0700, Amir Hermon
wrote:

>NaziGiwer,

>we havn’t seen you netNazi for a long time what’s up you smelled blood
>??

>were is your budybudy Wayne McGuire, without him you look awafully full.
>Call your spiritual master for advise.

I haven’t heard from you in a coon’s age. What’s with the silly handle? Still
working for Farrakhan?
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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 21:06:03 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: The Truth About France & Her Jews
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On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 23:01:22 +0000, Chuck Ferree wrote:

>Chuckle Fairy writes:

>Jews from France alone account for almost 100,000 fatalities for Jews
>transported out of France and executed, because they happened to be
>Jews. That is what the Holocaust is really all about.
>Nazis killing Jews. Not that Nazis didn’t also murder millions of
>others who were not Jewish, but between six and eight million Jews
>died at the hands of the Nazis.

The official numbers for France are as follows.

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The Cry of a Deportee

A 1940 Gaullist veteran of the Free French Forces (FFL), I was arrested
in October, 1943, and deported for 18 months to Buchenwald, then to the hell of
Dora, where thousands of French deportees lost their lives in the underground
factories of V1 and V2. I returned disabled.

This is to tell you that we shared with our Jewish comrades all the
ordeals of the camps. Having said that, I ask journalists with what right they
deny veteran deportees the right to question theories elevated to truth, not by
Jewish deportees but by some Zionists?

What kind of society do we live in, where we do not have the right to
criticize, in any manner, either Jews or Israelis or Zionists, without being
automatically accused of anti-semitism or racism?

Let journalists know one thing: The vast majority of deportees in Nazi
camps were not Jewish, even though the media give credence to the thesis that
only Jews were deported and exterminated.

Let them know, too, that in France, there were about 250,000 deportees, of which
about 25,000 were French Jews. Between 80,000 and 100,000 returned, of which
about 15,000 were Jews.

Gaston Pernot
Doctor of Law
Commander of the Legion of Honor, Paris
(“Le Figaro,” Friday, May 3, 1996)

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 21:06:04 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Priests Murdered in Dachau
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On 28 Sep 1996 18:28:30 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:

>: >Matty still considers a nut, who claims that the Nazi leadership
>: >fled to the inner earth via a hole in the South-Pole, using
>: >”secret UFO’s”, a reliable source on history.
>:
>: >But then Matty is mentally retarded, insane, and senile. So
>: >why am I not surprised?
>:
>: UFOs are a constant reminder that the physical evidence of mass
>: gassing is of the same type and nature as that for UFOs.

>This is categorically untrue, of course, and Matt knows it. If,
>however, it were true, it would be difficult to understand why
>Matt’s hero Zundel accepts the evidence for flying saucers.

I do not consider him my hero nor does he consider me his hero. Nor do I speak
for him nor does he speak for me.

He happens to lend his name to a web site containing material holohuggers fear
becoming public knowledge.

And interestingly the holohuggers use the means of character assassination
discussed in the famous forgery, Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 28 21:06:04 PDT 1996
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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 17:32:01 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>Crazy Matt Giwer, who still claims that English is the language
>spoken in Israel, posts the addresses of the web sites of
>Greg Raven and Ernst Zundel, who supply the Nazi perspective
>of the history of WW2.

More lies from the lying jew traitor are not unexpected.

>Raven stated, on GEnie, that Hitler was a “great man”, and
>”the best thing that could have happened to Germany”. The
>madman Ernst Zundel claims that the Nazi leadership escaped
>Germany in the end of WW2, using “secret UFO’s”, and fled
>into the inner earth via a hole in the South-Pole.

>It’s fitting that a madman like Giwer would view Zundel as
>a reliable source on the history of WW2.

>In the meanwhile, you can look at the web sites which
>show images that our little Nazis don’t want you to see:

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images

Tactics right out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. What else would one
expect from a lying jew traitor?

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Liberty’s attack on Israel was cold-blooded murder.
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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 23:15:06 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

># Two former Israeli military officers have come forward to
># tell their inside stories confirming survivors’ charges
># that the attack was no accident.

>I’ve heard this before; never are their names given, nor is
>any evidence or any source to what they allegedly said ever
>provided.

>One name which was indeed provided is Seth Mintz, however he
>believes the attack was a mistake, as he told me himself,
>when I was studying this matter in 1992.

The lying jew traitor barks again.

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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 16:17:39 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>Beth writes:

># I was married for 7 years to a Jew,(Ira) and lived
># in Israel for most of them. When people thought I was
># Jewish,they spoke openly. Most don’t believe the Holocaust
># any more than Enst Zundel.

>Please post their names, so we ask them and verify your claim.

They include american jews as useful dupes. They would not tell you.

># And then there are all those brave Nazi hunters in Israel.

>But you said they don’t believe the Holocaust took place…

What is the connection between hunting down Nazis they have hated as “murderers”
>from the day they kicked so many jews out of jobs because they bribed their way
into them?

># MY God, the Jews really DO worship Lucifer. It’s not an
># anti-semitic lie that they are the seed of Satin. It’s
># true and you can read any of the Talmud to prove it.

>Oh, another one of those.

>Where on earth do these crazies come from? Some Mengele
>experiment out of control?

You mean you think she is jewish?

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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 17:12:09 GMT, [email protected] (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:

>In <51vk[email protected]> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>! > [email protected] (tom moran) posts more venomous lies:
>!
>! > So sayeth the Torah and the Talmud.
>!
>! It should be noted that the ignorant bigot who posted this:
>!
>! 1. Less than one month ago did not know what the “Torah” is.
>!
>! 2. Had never studied the Talmud and has no idea what is contained in it.
>!
>! 3. Is a notorious anti-Semite who has frequently lied about Jews.
>!
>! It is, of course, useless to ask what texts to which he is referring. He des
>! not know himself.

>Good Question: Should the goyim treat Jews in the same manner that the
> Torah and Talmud treat Gentiles?

There is no need to make it hard.

Should Christians who have problems with what happened to their ancestors blame
judaism as Jews blame christianity for the holocaust?

It does sound rathr fair to me.

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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 15:39:58 -0700, Ghazi Salah Adine
wrote:

>Alan H. Stein wrote:
>>
>> In article <[email protected]> Matt Giwer,
>> [email protected] writes:
>>
>> > Arafat has refused to meet with Netanyahu until the tunnel is closed. Netanyahu
>> >has refused.
>>
>> First Arafat whines for months about Netanyahu’s understandable lack of a
>> burning desire to meet with him; now when there’s a real need for
>> another
>> meeting Arafat starts making demands and setting conditions.
>>
>> > It appears they are going to stick with the money grubbing jew stereotype until
>> >they manage to provoke whatever it is they are really after.
>>
>> Glad to know you don’t stereotype, and there’s not an anti-semitic bone
>> in
>> your body.
>>
>> > If Arafat can restore peace it is only a question of time until Israel creates
>> >another provocation.
>>
>> It can’t create another until it creates one; it hasn’t, so can’t.
>>
>> >Alan H. Stein [email protected]
>> Department of Mathematics http://www.math.uconn.edu/~stein
>> The University of Connecticut (203) 596-4080
>> Waterbury, CT 06710
>>
>> Shana Tova 5757

>Mr.
>What do you think Israel do. She whimpers about the holocaust which was
>according to Jewish scholar perpetrated with the full Knowledge of Jews
>world wide. Please excuse me, But I don’t think you come from decent
>background either.

It is rather amazing that the common knowledge is so well hidden by these
holohuggers. They can not be so stupid or so ignorant as they pretend on
alt.revisionism.

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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:00:05, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]> Ghazi Salah Adine writes:

>>Mr.
>>What do you think Israel do. She whimpers about the holocaust which was
>>according to Jewish scholar perpetrated with the full Knowledge of Jews
>>world wide. Please excuse me, But I don’t think you come from decent
>>background either.

>>Thank you
>>Ghazi

>Yasmeen, I congratulate you on your limited but real grasp of
>English, which is clearly not a language that you are comfortable with. I
>don’t congratulate you on the fallacies and inaccuracies in your short but
>foolish message.

>I think you — like Arafat and the rest of the Arab world — are just going to
>have to accustom yourself to the presence of Israel, and of Israelis in
>Israel’s capital city, Jerusalem. It’s been the capital of Israel for almost
>fifty years, after all, and the united city has been the capital since 1967.

>Get used to it.

That of course depends upon whether the US continues to support the murderous
country. Without the US it would have been up shit creek decades ago. And
should the US start supporting Arab countries against Israel the end will come
in months.

On the other hand, one US payback for the Liberty would be the end of it all.

It is just one more shit country run by religious fundamentalists and equally
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On 28 Sep 1996 15:03:26 -0500, Anonymous Non-Jew wrote:

>Feel free to add your comments.

>1) Who were the Chosen People?
>A: The Jews.

>2) Who are our enemies?
>A: Anyone that doesn’t think Jews ever had a homeland.

>3) Which is the worst tragedy in the face of the earth?
>A: the Holocaust.

>4) What about the extermination of Canaanites and modern-day
>Palestinians?
>A: That’s OK. Some poeple need to be shown their place.

>5) How many Jews died during the Holocaust?
>A: 12 million.

>6) Who is an “enemy” of the Jeish people?
>A: Anyone that thinks different from our own. We will call them all
>Nazis and, though our home-organisations like SJC, make them think the
>way we do.

>7) What about “whites”?
>A: Our deadliest enemy. All whites are Nazi-Aryans,there should be no
>place on the earth where they will not be next to a non-white. All
>white are racists that need to be wiped off the earth. Don’t you dare
>call a Jew “non-white”, and our own homeland of Israel will be always
>pure, i.e., for Jews and Jews only.

>8) What about Jewish fundamentalism?
>A: No such thing. We are only responding to those infidel Arabs and the
>Religious Rght. by the way, anyone defacing the Torah and/or the
>Menorah in the Israel will be tried.

>9) So you reserve death-penalty for “desecrators”…
>A: Yes, and all those Nazis. However, if a Jew kills a Jew, there will
>not be a death penalty.

>Feel free to add your comments.

Torah! Torah! Torah!

A battle cry to frighten Arabs.

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On 28 Sep 1996 20:29:28 GMT, Alan H. Stein wrote:

>In article <[email protected]> Matt Giwer,
>[email protected] writes:

>> Arafat has refused to meet with Netanyahu until the tunnel is closed. Netanyahu
>>has refused.

>First Arafat whines for months about Netanyahu’s understandable lack of a
>burning desire to meet with him; now when there’s a real need for
>another
>meeting Arafat starts making demands and setting conditions.

Netanyahu refused to meet because he did not want to be seen publically reneging
on every aspect of the peace agreements that had gone before.

Arafat has now made one condition, remove the provocation that was committed in
the middle of the night. It is a rather minor request actually, put the
interests of peace ahead of the Jerusalem shopkeepers who sell trinkets to
tourists.

But if Netanyahu did that he would risk the Palestinians ceasing the
demonstrations and he would lose his pretext for terminating every agreement of
the previous government.

Get used to it. Even the Christian Coalition is not going to support Israel
over this one.

>> It appears they are going to stick with the money grubbing jew stereotype until
>>they manage to provoke whatever it is they are really after.

>Glad to know you don’t stereotype, and there’s not an anti-semitic bone
>in
>your body.

I am pointing out that Netanyahu said that the action was to increase tourism
and for the economic benefit of Jerusalem. I did not bring it up. He did.

He did not mention pilgrims. He did not mention religion. He mentioned
tourists. He mentioned money.

If you do not like it, take it up with him. When you two are in agreement, get
back to me.

>> If Arafat can restore peace it is only a question of time until Israel creates
>>another provocation.

>It can’t create another until it creates one; it hasn’t, so can’t.

There was peace. Netanyahu created the provocation to destroy it.

CLOSE THE TUNNEL and test the Palestinians. Sorry, old net’n’yahoo puts profits
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One has to note that this execution of Egyptian POWs is common knowledge in
Israel.

Reprinted with permission
>from The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs
May/June 1996

USS Liberty
Did Israel commit one war crime to hide another?

By James M. Ennes, Jr.

Washington Report readers know the story well. In 1967 on the fourth
day of the Six Day War, the armed forces of Israel attacked the American
intelligence ship USS Liberty for 90 minutes in international waters in
broad daylight following several hours of close, low-level
reconnaissance. Thirty-four men died, 171 were hurt, and the ship was
so badly damaged that it had to be scrapped.

The government of Israel has lied about the circumstances ever since,
telling a story markedly different from that told by American survivors.
Congress has refused to question Israel’s demonstrably false account,
even though the State Department’s own analysis finds the Israeli story
to be untrue.

Yet the most pressing question remaining from that infamy is not whether
the attack was deliberate. That was settled long ago for most
reasonable people. The question is why Israel risked its cozy
relationship with America by killing American seaman on the high seas.

Indeed, spokesmen for Israel use that question in Israel’s defense.
Why, they ask, would Israel risk alienating its American friends?

So why did Israel attack? Intelligence analysts and others have long
supposed that Israel attacked to prevent the ship from reporting the
impending invasion of the Golan Heights, then imminent despite cease
fire pleas by the United States. Israel’s defenders reject that
explanation.

Recent reports in the Israeli and Egyptian press suggest another
powerful possibility.

According to eyewitness accounts by Israeli officers and journalists,
the Israeli Army – the army that claims to hold itself to a higher moral
standard than other armies – executed as many as 1,000 Arab prisoners
during the 1967 war.

Historian Gabby Bron wrote in the Yediot Ahronot in Israel that he
witnessed Israeli troops executing Egyptian prisoners on the morning of
June 8, 1967, in the Sinai town of El Arish.

Bron reported that he saw about 150 Egyptian POWs being held at the El
Arish airport where they were sitting on the ground, densely crowded
together with their hands held on the back of their necks. Every few
minutes, Bron writes, Israeli soldiers would escort an Egyptian POW from
the group to a hearing conducted by two men in Israeli army uniforms.
Then the man would be taken away, given a spade, and forced to dig his
own grave.

“I watched as (one) man dug a hole for about 15 minutes,” Bron wrote.
“Afterwards, the (Israeli military) policeman told him to throw the
shovel away, and then one of them leveled an Uzi at him and shot two
short bursts, each of three or four bullets.”

Bron says he witnessed about ten such executions, until the grave was
filled. Then an Israeli Colonel threatened him with a revolver, forcing
him to leave the area.

USS Liberty was nearby

As those executions were underway, America’s most sophisticated
intelligence platform, USS Liberty, was less than 13 miles from El
Arish.

We were close enough to see the town mosque with the naked eye. With
binoculars we could make out individual buildings and might have seen
the executions if we had looked in the right place.

Could our operators have heard voice radio messages revealing these
killings? Did senior Israeli officers sanction the murders, or did they
learn of them? How would they have reacted to the knowledge that USS
Liberty was nearby and might have heard incriminating radio traffic?

Would they have been desperate enough to attack an American ship?

The Liberty attack was a war crime

The attack on USS Liberty was itself a war crime. US Navy Commander
Walter Jacobsen, a Navy Legal Officer then doing graduate work at George
Washington University, conducted an extensive legal analysis of the
attack.

His conclusion, reported in the Winter, 1986, Naval Law Review, was that
several aspects of the attack violated provisions of the Geneva
Conventions — war crimes. Specifically, Commander Jacobsen found that
the attack was not legally justified, that it constituted an act of
aggression under the United Nations Charter, that the use of unmarked
aircraft, the wanton destruction of life rafts in the water, the jamming
of international radio distress frequencies, and the failure of the
torpedo boat commanders to render immediate assistance to a disabled and
helpless enemy were all violations of international law.

US refusal to investigate violates Geneva Conventions

For years, USS Liberty survivors have asked Members of Congress to
investigate the circumstances of the attack.

The Israeli version is untrue. We did fly a flag. We did identify
ourselves. We were in international waters. They did not stop firing
after seeing our flag as they claim, but continued to fire for another
40 minutes. The attack lasted 75 minutes and was not brief or accidental
as Israel claims. We did not “attempt to hide” or escape when detected,
as Israeli has charged. These things are easy to prove.

More important are the war crimes discussed by Commander Jacobsen.
These things should have been investigated in 1967. Yet U.S. officials
have ignored the offenses for 29 years, refusing to investigate or even
to acknowledge them.

That refusal is itself a crime. The United States, as a signatory to
the Geneva Conventions of 1949, is “under the obligation to search for
persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be committed”
violations of the conventions, and to see that violators are brought to
trial.

There are no exceptions. War crimes reported to government officials
must be investigated and perpetrators tried.

Yet even this is ignored by U.S. officials. Liberty survivors for many
years have reported the crimes committed against us and have requested
an appropriate investigation. Despite the law, our complaints are
ignored. No investigation of these charges has ever been held.

Recently Liberty’s Joe Meadors, a former president and chairman of the
Liberty Veterans Association, has filed formal complaints with the House
and Senate Ethics Committees against members who have ignored our
complaints.

To no surprise, these complaints, too, are being ignored.

Navy Refusal to investigate violates Navy Regulations

When the Liberty was attacked, Captain Joseph Tully in the aircraft
carrier USS Saratoga received the ship’s call for help and immediately
sent jet aircraft to her assistance. Tully’s jets were recalled almost
immediately by orders from Washington. As a result, American jet
fighter support was withheld for more than 90 minutes. By then the
damage was done and 34 men were dead or dying.

Had those aircraft been sent, they would probably have arrived before
the torpedo boats started their part of the attack. At least 25 lives
could have been saved.

We survivors have tried for 29 years to learn why we were denied the
immediate air support that we were promised in case of trouble. There
are no answers. The Navy still will not even admit that help was not
sent, even though one of the aircraft carrier commanders has offered to
testify that he was forbidden to help us.

The Uniform Code of Military Justice, the body of law that governs every
military person, provides that “Any person subject to this chapter who
before or in the presence of the enemy . . . does not afford all
practicable relief and assistance to . . . troops, vessels, or aircraft
of the armed forces . . . when engaged in battle . . . shall be punished
by death or such punishment as a court martial may direct.”

That provision was clearly violated when Liberty’s air support was
withheld. Yet the Navy will not even admit that we were not defended.

George Orwell suggested in 1945 that some animals are more equal than
other animals. Some countries, too, it would seem.

James Ennes retired from the Navy in 1978 as a lieutenant commander
after 27 years of enlisted and commissioned service. He was a
lieutenant on the bridge of the USS Liberty on the day of the
attack. His book on the subject, Assault on the Liberty
(Random House, 1980), is a “Notable Naval Book” selection of the
U.S. Naval Institute and was “editors choice” when reviewed in
The Washington Post.

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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 17:39:31 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

> Giwer the Liar Posts a Testimony
> Which Does Not Exist
> ——————–

>Note that Giwer has nothing with which to respond to the
>fake testimony he posted here just a few days ago.

>Giwer posted a non-existing testimony. Period. He did it in
>order to “prove” that testimonies of survivors are a “lie”.

>The tactic is simple; “revisionists” use it all the time. They
>invent a non-existing testimony, or distort an existing one,
>and then post it as if it was an actual testimony. Al Baron
>did it. Tom Moran did it. And now Giwer does it.

>

># In Lueneburg, Germany, a Jewish physician, testifying at the
># trial of 45 men and women for war crimes at the Belsen and
># Oswiecim [Auschwitz] concentration camps, said that 80,000
># Jews, representing the entire ghetto of Lodz, Poland, had been
># gassed or burned to death in one night at the Belsen camp.

>

>Since there was no such mass gassing in Belsen, Giwer is
>trying to make it appear as if a witness said there was such
>gassing, in order to “prove” that this witness was lying.

>Giwer has yet to provide the name of this witness. But
>he can’t. Note that his only response to this reasonable
>request is to spam the group by reposting something totally
>unrelated.

>But this is what you can expect from a senile, pathetic,
>miserable liar like Giwer.

The lying jew traitor posts again.

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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 17:59:09 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>Before you bother to read anything the crazed Matt Giwer has
>to say, bear in mind that he recommends the web site of
>Ernst Zundel as a reliable source on the history of the
>Second World War.

>See the web site

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/z/zundel.ernst/flying-saucers

>Which contains both text and images from Zundel’s publications
>about these “UFO’s”.

>Quoted from one of these publications (see saucers.text):

> “During the course of our research, we have discovered some
>of the original German flying saucer scientists who are still
>alive! These space pioneers are, of course, old men now in
>their 70s and 80s. Our interviews with them will be
>incorporated into our regular lecture program as well as into
>our future books”.
>
>This is *not* a joke; these are the opinions of “leading
>Holocaust revisionist”, Ernst Zundel, whose web page
>Matt Giwer considers to be an authority on the history
>of WW2.

>It’s only fitting for a madman like Giwer to endorse a madman
>like Zundel.

The lying jew traitor spams again.

He appears upset by Zundel. Why else would he use a technique right out of the
Protocols of the Elders of Zion to discourage people from reading what is on
Zundel’s website?

The forger was obviously very insightful regarding jew tactics.

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On Sun, 29 Sep 1996 01:02:21 GMT, [email protected] (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>Anonymous Non-Jew wrote:

>>Feel free to add your comments.

>>1) Who were the Chosen People?
>>A: The Jews.

>According to Judaism, that is.

The proper term is self-annointed not chosen.

>>2) Who are our enemies?
>>A: Anyone that doesn’t think Jews ever had a homeland.

>Anyone who doesn’t think the Jews ever had a homeland is an idiot.
>Palestine was the Jewish homeland, in every history book, between c.
>1250 CE and 587 CE.

Eastern European jews never had an ancestor there unless one theory of human
evolution is correct and then it was around 50,000 years ago.

>>3) Which is the worst tragedy in the face of the earth?
>>A: the Holocaust.

>The Holocaust is the worst incidence of genocide in this century–not
>in numbers, but in purpose.

But not in the history of the world unless you have spoken with a Caananite
recently.

>>4) What about the extermination of Canaanites and modern-day
>>Palestinians?
>>A: That’s OK. Some poeple need to be shown their place.

>Extermination of the Canaanites was a Commandment from God; not all
>Jews believe in displacing or hurting in any other way hurt
>Palestinians.

You silly superstitious twit. There is no god. Give it. Jews are atheists;
the only rational thing about them.

>>5) How many Jews died during the Holocaust?
>>A: 12 million.

>6 million is the accepted figure. 5-6 other “undesireables” were
>killed.

The IMT declared 6 million jews. Since then 1 million disappeared from Dachau.
3 million disappeared from Auschwitz. Another million disappeared from
Treblinka. That leaves 1 million tops.

But do not forget to tell me that a handful of writers have done a better job
than four nations in complete control of Europe with all the manpower and money
they needed. Please tell me that so I can determine your gullibility rating.

>>6) Who is an “enemy” of the Jeish people?
>>A: Anyone that thinks different from our own. We will call them all
>>Nazis and, though our home-organisations like SJC, make them think the
>>way we do.

>Who are the Jeish people?

Quite the intellectual response.

>>7) What about “whites”?
>>A: Our deadliest enemy. All whites are Nazi-Aryans,there should be no
>>place on the earth where they will not be next to a non-white. All
>>white are racists that need to be wiped off the earth. Don’t you dare
>>call a Jew “non-white”, and our own homeland of Israel will be always
>>pure, i.e., for Jews and Jews only.

>1) There are many non-white Jews
>2) Israel is, in its declaration, a multi-ethnic and multi-religious
>state.

But forces residency permits on Palestinians for Jerusalem and refuses to permit
non-jews to join the IDF and the Mossad. What does multi-anything mean in light
of that?

>>8) What about Jewish fundamentalism?
>>A: No such thing. We are only responding to those infidel Arabs and the
>>Religious Rght. by the way, anyone defacing the Torah and/or the
>>Menorah in the Israel will be tried.

>Defacing religious property is against the law.

What a primitive country Israel is.

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On Sun, 29 Sep 96 02:14:58 GMT, [email protected] (Allan Matthews) wrote:

>In article , [email protected] (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:
>>In [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>
>>! There’s far more physical evidence for the Holocaust than for,
>>! say, the bombing of Dresden, Stalin’s atrocities, and most
>>! other historical events.
>>
>>How does that excuse Jewish control of the USA?

>Please provide proof of this assertion. You keep saying it but you never have
>given any solid evidence of its veracity. Put up or shut up.

========

“In Our Hands”
by Joseph Sobran

One isn’t supposed to say this, but many people believe that Israel
now holds the White House, the Senate, and much of the American
media in its hands. This is what is known as an anti-Semitic
conspiracy theory.

The odd thing is that it is held by many Israelis. In an essay
reprinted in the May 27th issue of The New York Times, Ari Shavit,
an Israeli columnist, reflected sorrowfully on the wanton Israeli
killing of more than 100 Lebanese civilians in April: “We killed them
out of a certain naive hubris. Believing with absolute certitude
that now, with the White House, the Senate, and much of the American
media in our hands, the lives of others do not count as much as our
own…”

In a single phrase — “in our hands” — Shavit has lighted up the
American political landscape like a flash of lightning.

Notice that Shavit assumes as an obvious fact what we Americans can
say publicly only at our own risk. It’s surprising, and refreshing,
to find such candor in an American newspaper (though his essay was
reprinted from the Israeli paper Haaretz).

The prescribed cant on the subject holds that Israel is a “reliable
ally” of the United States, despite Israel’s long record of
double-dealing against this country, ranging from the killing of
American sailors to constant espionage and technology theft. The
word “ally” implies that the relationship exists because it’s in the
interests of this country, though Israel’s lobby is clearly devoted
to the interests of Israel itself, and it’s childish to suggest
otherwise.

You expect that from the Israeli lobby; lobbies are lobbies, after
all. But it’s unnerving that the White House, the Senate, and much
of the American media should be “in our hands,” as Shavit puts it.
Bill Clinton, a lover of peace since his college days, raised no
protest when the Israelis drove 400,000 innocent Lebanese out of
their homes in “retaliation” for rockets launched into Israel
(wounding one Israeli) by a faction over whom those 400,000 had no
control.

Congress, of course, was supine as usual at this latest extravagance
of Israeli “defense.” Congress too is “in our hands.”

A recent article in The Washington Post likened the Israel lobby’s
power to that of the gun and tobacco lobbies. But there is one
enormous difference. Newspapers like the Post aren’t afraid to
criticize the gun and tobacco lobbies. They will say forthrightly
that those lobbies seek goals that are dangerous for this country.
They don’t dare say as much of the Israeli lobby.

But much of the press and electronic media are “in our hands” in a
more active sense: They supply misleading pro-Israel propaganda in
the guise of news and commentary, constantly praising Israeli
“democracy” and ignoring Israel’s mistreatment of its non-Jewish
minorities — mistreatment which, if any government inflicted it on
a Jewish minority, would earn it the fierce opprobrium of our media.

No decent American would think of reducing American Jews to the status
of Palestinians in Israel. The idea is almost absurd. Yet Americans
are taxed to subsidize the oppression of Palestinians, on the flimsy
pretext that they are helping an “ally” in America’s own
self-interest to be hated and despised by the whole Muslim world.

All this is interesting less for what it tells us about Israel than
for what it tells us about America. Frank discussion of Israel is
permitted in Israel, as Shavit’s article illustrates. It’s rarely
permitted here. Charges of anti-Semitism and a quiet but very
effective boycott will be the reward of any journalist who calls
attention to his own government’s — and his own profession’s —
servitude to Israeli interests.

Very few in America are doing anything to change this sorry state of
affairs. Shavit wrote his article in the desperate hope of turning
back his countrymen and his government from a morally and
politically perilous course. At least he can hope. It’s harder for
us, when our own government isn’t in our hands.

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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 20:53:54 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:09:21 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>

>> >Does that answer your question?
>>
>> Yes, Poland is so uncivilized that it permits human remains to
>lie exposed. I
>> would never have thought such a thing of Poland.
>
>Obviously you know very little about the small towns of Poland and their
>long history of anti-Semitism.

Obviously you are very gullible. Now, who do you supposed does the hand weeding
around the bones so they can be photographed? It must be those anti-semitic
Poles keeping the area suitable for photographing.

And you did not answer how you know they are human bones.

>> So someone is running a tourist attraction with animal bones and
>is feeding the
>> rubes a horror story about those being human bones after over fifty
>years in the
>> ground without deterioration.

>Tourist attraction? I don’t remember using that phrase.

It is so obvious even you should have thought of it.

>[snip]

>> You are very much the rube.

>And you are very much the idiot.

Who does all the hand weeding to keep the area photogenic?

The only way they could be considered anti-semitic is that they are making fools
of you rubes.

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Dickless is an officer of the court. He is obliged to report any and all
criminal activity he observes.

Dickless has publically charged that I am a criminal.

I have demanded that dickless file a complaint.

Dickless refuses to do so.

Dickless is not fulfilling his obligation as an officer of the court and faces
sanction or disbarment simply for his failure to report the crime.

And of course he faces sanction or disbarment should he report what he is
claiming.

Ol’ dickless is your common, run of the mill holohugger.
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From [email protected] Sun Sep 29 00:35:07 PDT 1996
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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 21:01:26 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:14:07 -0700, Dmitri Krylov wrote:
>>
>> >SHUT UP YOUR DIRTY MOUTH
>>
>> The obvious truth appears to bother you.
>>
>> Yes, Israelis are murdering again. If they just had the balls
>to admit it,
>> they might earn some respect.

>You know, Matt, I’m surprised at you.

I am not surprised by your lies in the next paragraph.

>On all the Sunday news shows, all the arch-conservatives I always imagined
>you would agree with, say that Arafat USED the opening of the tunnel exit
>as an excuse to start something.

Sunday is today EST in the US at 00:54. It had not started last Sunday. You
are lying about “Sunday” news.

As for the rest, it is only your imagination that led you to think you
understood me. But then, you are lying about that also.

>Just so you know, that tunnel has been ther for many years.

Over 2000. That is not described by “many.”

>The exit that was just opened would have brought TOURIST travel into the
>Palestinian area — you know, tourists? with money? to help the
>Palestinian economy?

I see. Fuck religion. Fuck beliefs. It is all about money for shopkeepers.
What a stereotype! Only in Israel!

>Sheesh. Even Mona Charen agrees with that.

She agrees with anything support by the Christian Coalition including Israel.

>But of course, you probably think she is a dumbtwat, right?

Like the Christian Coalition she sucks up to Israel for political advantage as
long as the political advantage is there. You need to learn that Israel is a
political pawn in this country and of no intrinsic value to the US.

You need to get used to that.

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From [email protected] Sun Sep 29 00:35:08 PDT 1996
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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 23:38:33 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
># [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>## [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>### 2) Wannsee Protocol, which discusses forced emigration

>## And explicitly states that the Jews “fit for work” will
>## eventually all be killed.

># What does that have to do with TWELVE (12) million,

>The document states that Jews “fit for work” will all be
>killed, in order to prevent a “germ cell of a new Jewish
>development”. This is clearly a genocidal statement, which
>can only be interpreted as an intention to kill all Jews.

>The earlier Wetzel-to-Lohse document states that the Jews
>”unfit for work” will be killed with poison gas.

>You seem to agree that the Wannsee Protocol states that
>the Jews “fit for work” will be killed?

Agreed. It has nothing to do with 12 million. Next?

># jew traitor?

>If I ever hire you and put an end to your long and frustrating
>period of unemployment, will you like me, or will I still be a
>”jew traitor”?

What makes you think I would ever consider working for a lying jew traitor?

># You holohuggers were kind enough to post the meaning of the word
># and it is not what you claim it is, lying jew traitor.

>It means “gassing cellar”, a term used because in that Krema the
>gas chamber was indeed underground. Now, you said that the correct
>term to use would have been “gaskammer” (gas chamber), but this
>term appears in the construction documents of Krema V.

Again you try to cover up your claim that it was the entire building when it was
only one of the five room in the building.

And as you know from looking at the aerial picture of all of Birkenau there is
no LK associated with either K IV of V. It is clear that you are lying again,
jew traitor.

Why is it you jew traitors have been lying for so long?

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On 28 Sep 1996 23:17:51 GMT, Schoedel wrote:

>Mr. McVay quotes me thusly:

>”PLEASE FEEL FREE TO USE THIS MATERIAL IN ANY WAY THAT FURTHER PROMOTES
>OUR CAUSE. Any usage of the material otherwise, in a manner not deemed
>in the best interest of this organization and our stated beliefs and
>cause, will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.”

>Amen, Ken, Amen. Any usage deemed not in the best interest of this
>organization (the copyright owner)…

For what it is worth, McVay is one of the greatest thieves of copyrighted
material in the world if one goes by byte count.

Further such an “authorization” is without standing as it refers to material
that he has pirated and unenforceable as their is no statement of “best
interests” nor of “beliefs and cause.” Finally, there is no possibility of
prosecution as it is a civil matter.

He does not have clean hands in any court.

>Posting hideous things I once said is not in the best interest of my
>stated beliefs, which are decidedly anti-racist and anti-anti-Semitic.

>Using quotes of mine in your slide shows, Ken, could well be defined
>as fair use. That is, if you’re not distribuitng a book of my words
>at your shows. That would be illegal. See the difference? Quoting a
>sentence of two is hardly illegal…a COMPLETE COMPILATION, if AGAINST
>THE WISHES OF THE COPYRIGHT OWNER, is cleary, undistputable, a violation
>of applicable copyright statutes.

>So will you obey the law or no, Mr. McVay?

Alec Grynspan will lie about it. McVay will continue to steal. But in the end
someone is going to come down on him in a very big way
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On 28 Sep 1996 23:23:02 -0400, [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>> As you know, the meaning of the death rate can not be determined without knowing
>>the age distribution of the population. He did not provide that. He does not
>>know it. He can not know what it means. Neither can you.

>Gee, Matt, that’s great! You’ve just solved all those deaths in the
>concentration camps–all the inmates were in their nineties! They were
>really retirement homes!

That has nothing to do with the subject under discussion, lying shithead
holohugger. You are engaging the the methods ascribed to jews in the Protocols.
Why is that?

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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 17:29:59 -0700, [email protected] (Rajiv K.
Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>[snip]

>> Therefore, McVay and the other two are in violation of Canadian law. And of
>> course that is knowing violation of Canadian law.

>Wrong. Nizkor has violated no copyright, nor has it broken any laws.

Are you giving legal advice, counselor?

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The Party Platform of the National Socialist German
Workers Party

( []s contain the comments of the author of this article.)

—–

Hamburg Order Police and 1933 Deutschland Erwache

The Twenty-Five Points Of The National Socialist German
Workers’ Party, 1920

The program of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party is
limited as to period. The leaders have no intention, once the
aims announced in it have been achieved, of setting up fresh
ones, merely in order to increase the discontent of the masses
artificially, and so ensure the continued existence of the Party.

[Would that all political parties had such an objective.]

1) We demand the union of all Germans to form a Greater Germany
on the basis of the right of self-determination enjoyed by
nations.

[The return of the parts of Germany given to other countries
such as Poland. Note that it was in defense of that give away
the England declared war on Germany.]

2) We demand equality of rights for the German people in its
dealings with other nations, and abolition of the peace treaties
of Versailles and Saint-Germain.

[This is a just objective regardless of the means of
abolition.]

3) We demand land and territory (colonies) for the nourishment of
our people and for settling our excess population.

[The major powers had colonies. Germany had African
colonies prior to the war. It was the norm at the time.]

4) None but members of the nation may be citizens of the state.
None but those of German blood, whatever their creed, may be
members of the nation. No Jew, therefore, may be a member of the
nation.

[Here we get to the racial basis for citizenship. It was
perhaps somewhat extreme for the times but not remarkably so in
comparison to other countries. For example, Hitler remained a
soldier for ten years as he, an Austrian, could not gain German
citizenship until after those ten years of residency.]

5) Anyone who is not a citizen of the state may live in Germany
only as a guest and must be regarded as being subject to foreign
laws.

[This is why Hitler lived in German Army barracks for those
ten years. It was not something all that new.]

6) The right of voting on the leadership and legislation is to be
enjoyed by the state alone. We demand therefore that all official
appointments, of whatever kind, whether in the Reich, in the
country, or in the smaller localities, shall be granted to
citizens of the state alone. We oppose the corrupting custom of
Parliament of filling posts merely with a view to party
considerations, and without reference to character or capacity.

[The first item is generally the rule in every country
today, citizenship is a requirement of government employment. The
last sentence is again something that all political parties
should consider as an objective.]

7) We demand that the state shall make it its first duty to
promote the industry and livelihood of citizens of the state. If
it is not possible to nourish the entire population of the state,
foreign nationals (non-citizens of the state) must be excluded
>from the Reich.

[Which of course is perfectly reasonable, that the state
exists for its citizens rather than for non-citizens.

8) All non-German immigration must be prevented….

[Nothing onerous here, simply a matter of national
immigration policy which is the right of every country.]

9) All citizens of the state shall be equal as regards rights and
duties.

[Perfectly normal.]

10) It must be the first duty of each citizen of the state to
work with his mind or with his body. The activities of the
individual may not clash with the interests of the whole, but
must proceed within the frame of the community and be for the
general good.

[A fine statement of principle but it is open to abuse in
that it puts the government in arbitrary control over individual
actions and obviously it is the only basis upon which a
dictatorship can legally exist.]

WE DEMAND THEREFORE:

11) Abolition of incomes not earned by work.

[A clearly communist plank as it prevents income from rents
and investments.]

12) In view of the enormous sacrifice of life and property
demanded of a nation by every war, personal enrichment because of
a war must regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand
therefore ruthless confiscation of all war gains.

[War profiteering is a crime in every country. In this case
it was extended to cover the post war investments with foreign
currency during post war hyperinflationary times. In other
words, the purchases were retroactively abolished. It is a coin
toss as to whether this is reasonable but it is certainly open to
abuse.]

13) We demand nationalization of all businesses (trusts)….

[Another Marxist concept.]

14) We demand that the profits from wholesale trade shall be
shared.

[Again, a Marxist idea, giving the government control of all
import and export business.]

15) We demand extensive development of provision for old age.

[Ah, yes, social securtiy. Their system was the model for
the US system down to the means of paying for it and the
retriement age. Just how evil were these folks?]

16) We demand creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class,
immediate communalization of wholesale business premises, and
their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that extreme
consideration shall be shown to all small purveyors to the state,
district authorities, and smaller localities.

[While giving the government control of the wholesale
business, it promotes the small businessman. As Hitler noted he
considered himself a practical implementer of marxism. It would
appear he realized that control of ten of thousands of small
businesses would be too hard. The US exempts small businesses
>from it regulations also. Rather enlighted that.]

17) We demand land reform suitable to our national
requirements….

[Clearly Marxist.]

18) We demand ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are
injurious to the common interest. Sordid criminals against the
nation, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished by death,
whatever their creed or race.

[This sounds a touch similar to the FDR’s National Recovery
Act although the punishment was not so extreme.]

19) We demand that the Roman Law, which serves the materialistic
world order, shall be replaced by a legal system for all Germany.

[Revamping the legal system was long overdue.]

20) With the aim of opening to every capable and industrious
German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining
advancement, the state must consider a thorough reconstruction of
our national system of education….

[Universal higher education. Nothing very insidious there.]

21) The state must see to raising the standard of health in the
nation by protecting mothers and infants, prohibiting child
labor, increasing bodily efficiency by obligatory gymnastics and
sports laid down by law, and by extensive support of clubs
engaged in the bodily development of the young.

[Although the gynamstics appear a bit arcane, the rest could
be right from Hillary Cliton.]

22) We demand abolition of a paid army and formation of a
national army.

[That sounds like the Founding Fathers of the US and their
abhorrance of standing armies. They got the abhorance from
England.]

23) We demand legal warfare against conscious political lying and
its dissemination in the press. In order to facilitate creation
of a German national press. In order to facilitate creation of a
German national press we demand:

a) that all editors of newspapers and their assistants, employing
the German language, must be members of the nation;

b) that special permission from the state shall be necessary
before non-German newspapers may appears. These are not
necessarily printed in the German language;

c) that non-Germans shall be prohibited by law from participation
financially in or influencing German newspapers….

It must be forbidden to publish papers which do not conduce to
the national welfare. We demand legal prosecution of all
tendencies in art and literature of a kind likely to disintegrate
our life as a nation, and the suppression of institutions which
militate against the requirements above-mentioned.

[Of course this lead to government censorship of the news.
But prohibiting foreign ownership … Rupert Murdoch had to
become a US citizen in order to grow his broadcasting empire. It
is unclear what might be wrong with the principle.]

24) We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the
state, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate
against the moral feelings of the German race. The Party, as
such, stand for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself
in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats
the Jewish-materialist spirit within us and without us….

[So here we have the first clear statement that is against
jews in some manner. However, even today Germany collects taxes
to support the Lutheran Church, something that would have been
prohibited by the general policy of supporting any particular
religion.]

25) That all foregoing may be realized we demand the creation of
a strong central power of the state.

[And of course the worst of all, the basis for a
dictatorship. On the other hand, the Weimar Republic was so weak
as to ineffective that the call for strong has to be compared to
what existed at the time.]

Unquestioned authority of the politically centralized Parliament
over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of
chambers for classes and occupations for the purpose of carrying
out the general laws promulgated by the Reich in the various
states of the confederation.

[Note that in comparison to the Weimar Republic, this can be
construed as being no more than a call for a strong Federal
government as in the US even though it did go much further than
that.]

The leaders of the Party swear to go straight forward – if
necessary to sacrifice their lives – in securing fulfillment of
the foregoing points.

[Our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honors.]

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On 28 Sep 1996 23:10:59 GMT, Schoedel wrote:

>Mr. McVay wrote thusly:

>> Short form: you said it; you’d best learn to live with people
>> knowing you said it.

>Mr. McVay, you may be right…I was merely doing my part to try to
>purge the web of some filthy things I ain’t proud of.

>You refuse to address the issue of copyright violation, however, Mr.
>McVay: will you continue to violate the law? Will you be including
>my recent “anti-racist” posts in my file, Mr. McVay?

Mcvay is a holohugger. The law is for others.

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From [email protected] Sun Sep 29 09:10:07 PDT 1996
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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 16:35:57 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

> Giwer wants to kill people who disagree
> with him about historical facts
> —————————————

>Since my opinion about the attack on the USS Liberty,
>in the midst of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, differs from
>his (I believe the attack was an accident), Matt Giwer
>says I deserve to die, and he adds an explicit threat to
>kill me himself.

>Score one for “revisionist support for freedom of speech”.

>Needless to say, no “revisionist” has denounced Giwer
>for all of this.

> From [email protected] Tue Sep 17 09:07:00 EDT 1996
> Article: 121220 of alt.revisionism

>[Giwer writes to me]

># Were you at my back in combat I would turn and kill you
># first as you can not be trusted to have loyalties to the
># US above all others.

> From [email protected] Sat Sep 21 17:58:06 EDT 1996
> Article: 122260 of alt.revisionism

># Keren of course is an apologist liar for murdering jews and
># a traitor because his loyalties are to Israel rather than to
># the US.
>#
># The curse is upon him.
>#
># He and everyone like him has been formally reported to the US
># Gov and they have no mroe chance of getting or retaining a
># security clearance than Pollard and for the same reason, they
># are no loyal Americans.
>#
># They have all supported Isreali murders of Americans.
>#
># Their fate should be death but the curse is now upon them.

> From [email protected] Sat Sep 21 18:10:17 EDT 1996
> Article: 122347 of alt.revisionism

>[Giwer writes to me]

># May napalm burn you skin. May cannon fire tear your
># apart. May you know death from drowning.

># And may you live to suffer all again and again until the
># end of time and from then into eternity.

>

>-Danny Keren.

Silly jew traitor.
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On Sun, 29 Sep 1996 02:30:44 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>[snip]

>>Gaston Pernot
>>Doctor of Law
>>Commander of the Legion of Honor, Paris
>>(“Le Figaro,” Friday, May 3, 1996)

>And Matt Giwer believes *everything* he reads in the papers, right?

>Some historian.

Which way to you want it? Believeable or not believeable? Name it but be
consistent. The last would be the hardest for you accomplish.

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Speaking of dickless, there is McVay.

Every time the discussion gets “too hard” he killfiles the person he was
pretending to honestly debate.

I do have to admit the other dickless wonder here has not resorted to that.
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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 17:01:09 -0800, [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>In article , [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
>wrote:

>[snip]

>Regarding the Giwer-boob:

>> If I ever hire you and put an end to your long and frustrating
>> period of unemployment, will you like me, or will I still be a
>> “jew traitor”?

>What? Does Dr. Keren have a toilet that needs to be cleaned? (I suppose,
>the Giwer-boob _would_ be in his own element then!) However, as kind and
>thoughtful a gesture as hiring (the obviously under-qualified and mentally
>impaired) Giwer-boob for such a job is, and as grateful as the Giwer-boob
>_should_ be at such an opportunity of gainful employment (probably the
>_only_ one in the last ten or fifteen years), I somehow doubt that he
>_would_ be grateful.

>Of course, I also somehow doubt that the Giwer-boob would be sober enough
>to his shoes….

Repeating the technique right out of the Protocols. Very insightful that
forger.

========
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:46:23 GMT

Anyone want to explain this one?

” It was in 1942 [at Belsen] that the special electrical appliances were built
in for mass extermination of people. Under the pretext that the people were
being led to the bath-house, the doomed were undressed and then driven to the
building where the floor was electrified in a special way; there they were
killed. ”

IMT VII – p.576-577.

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On Sun, 29 Sep 1996 02:10:27 GMT, [email protected] (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:

>In <52f[email protected]> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>! > [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>! > What happens is that every month or so, out of nowhere, YFE sends me email
>! > complaining that I have sent him unsolicited email. (Lately he has taken to
>! > claiming that is is also anti-semitic and obscene but he is getting rather
>! > hysterical.) He also demands that I stop sending him email.
>!
>! That is because you sent me e-mail. At least one e-mail you sent contains
>! your anti-Semitic doggeral. Your reply to my request that you not send me e-mail was “I
>! am tired of your shit. Fuck off.” That is obscene. Two days after you sent that e-mail
>! you did so again. That is criminal harrassment.
>!
>! > I respond by informing him that I have never initiated any email to him.
>!
>! In other words you respond with a lie. I have the e-mail Matty poo.
>!
>!
>! > Then he complains that my response to his unsolicited and causeless email is
>! > unsolicited email and that he uses as the basis for his libelous complaints.
>! > One would think that an attorney would know better than to do something as
>! > obvious as that.
>!
>! The response to my request to stop was the message “I am tired of your shit.
>! Fuck off.” followed by another e-mail.
>!
>! If you think I can’t produce them, Matty poo, sue me.
>!
>! In the meantime you engaged in harrassment. You are a criminal.
>!
>! –YFE

>You post. You recieve mail. You stupid.

And dickless is challenged to make good on his claim that my activities are
criminal by filing a formal complaint.

But dickless will not do so because he knows he is lying.

Right, dickless?

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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:00:33 -0700, [email protected] (Rajiv K.
Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 03:56:32 -0700, [email protected] (Rajiv K.
>> Gandhi) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>, Greg Matson
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >From: Greg Matson
>> >Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>> >NTP-Posting-Host: ppp-20.ts-13.nyc.idt.net
>>
>> >> You just proved what an asshole you are ! Smuck ! How about you you
>> >> yiddish bastard, are you too afraid to debate Winston Smith on the hoax
>> >> of the holocaust ?
>>
>> >Doesn’t troll h*ber know that he is discovered ? Is he really this stupid ?
>>
>> Call 1-800-BEWHOLE immediately.

>Have you got some kind of tumor that you haven’t disclosed to anybody ?

The method described in the forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion is used once
more. You are giving the holohuggers here a worse name than they already have.

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On 28 Sep 1996 23:59:47 GMT, Schoedel wrote:

>Andy wrote thusly:

>>I’ll claim my privilege, as someone a few years your senior, to offer a
>>little advice. You said what you said. You said it publicly, and you knew
>>– or should have known — that it would be recorded for posterity. You
>>cannot take back what you said. You can, however, make your current views
>>clear. If you want to alter your record, you cannot erase it; you can,
>>however, drown it out with whatever you choose to say today. You are well
>>within your rights to demand that Nizkor, or any other archive, include
>>your more recent posts with the older ones.

>To be quite honest, I am not upset that people might associate things with me,
>that I once said. I believe in personal responsibility. I have NOT in any
>way been harmed or had held against me, the things I once said. That’s not my
>motive, either.

>What disturbs me is the self-roghteousness of Mr. McVay and others, who claim
>to have a corner on the anti-racist market. He seems afraid that I or someone
>else who used to wallow in the cesspool of filth called racism could steal
>his thunder. Because of Mr. McVay’s demonstrated personal lack of ambition
>or skill, Nizkor is all he’s got. In order for him to have any self worth,
>needs to be net-nazi hunter number one.

He has found a way to get his 15 minutes of fame by taking the easy route.

Anyone can do it by defending the sacrosanct against invented enemies.

But in the larger sense, why does someone funding by the US DOD use the
1B Systems internet connection to host Nizkor and why does the company permit it
and does it deduct that charge from its billing to DOD? And if not, why is it
permitted to continue?

It is a matter of felony contract fraud.
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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 20:07:50 -0700, Ghazi Salah Adine
wrote:

>Joel Rosenberg wrote:
>>
>> In article <[email protected]> Ghazi Salah Adine writes:
>>
>> >Mr.
>> >What do you think Israel do. She whimpers about the holocaust which was
>> >according to Jewish scholar perpetrated with the full Knowledge of Jews
>> >world wide. Please excuse me, But I don’t think you come from decent
>> >background either.
>>
>> >Thank you
>> >Ghazi
>>
>> Yasmeen, I congratulate you on your limited but real grasp of
>> English, which is clearly not a language that you are comfortable with. I
>> don’t congratulate you on the fallacies and inaccuracies in your short but
>> foolish message.
>>
>> I think you — like Arafat and the rest of the Arab world — are just going to
>> have to accustom yourself to the presence of Israel, and of Israelis in
>> Israel’s capital city, Jerusalem. It’s been the capital of Israel for almost
>> fifty years, after all, and the united city has been the capital since 1967.
>>
>> Get used to it.
>>
>> —————————————————————
>> http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0380973227/joelrosenbergA/
>> …and for the last bit of geekitry: to receive the latest version of my FAQ,
>> send me a message with the phrase “your FAQ” anywhere in the subject line.

>Yes, in your own words it is your capital. I have not seen the world or
>anyone recognize it as your capital except you. According to the
>United Nations charter which created your so called nation of Israel,
>recognized it as occupied land. As for my english, please I am new to
>the United States. I only been here for 5 month.

You are doing fine. Rosenburg is a lying jew tratitor to the US in his support
of Israel’s murders in the attack on the USS Liberty. He can be discounted as a
lying jew. He will say anything to support Israel.

Thing will change,
>nothing stays the same. We have seen empire after empire crumple through
>out human history. Yours will not last that long. I predict, with the
>next 20 years the Arabs and the Moslem world will rise against you. It
>is not too late to achieve peace without the arrogance of you and
>Natanyahu. Plenty of room to accommodate both side.
>Please use reason in your thoughts. No one wins in this situation. War
>is very ugly.

Which is what these “safe in the US” types never think to imagine in their macho
posturing about Israel. Netanyahu is the embodiment of the all or nothing death
wish that has filled the Israeli spirit from the more recent beginning.

I can assure you that millions of Americans are now going to be working against
any support of Israel in this foolish adventure as we have done for decades now.
As Israel controls the US media I can not promise complete success this time
around but we are closer than we have ever been to shutting down that radical
nation and leaving it to its own devices.

Interestingly the supporters of Israrl are very few and very far between at the
moment and it appears the momentum will continue in that direction and it also
appears that Netanyahu wants it that way. He will get what he is working for.

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On 29 Sep 96 04:49:56 GMT, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>Schoedel writes:

>>Mr. McVay wrote thusly:

>>> Short form: you said it; you’d best learn to live with people
>>> knowing you said it.

>>Mr. McVay, you may be right…I was merely doing my part to try to
>>purge the web of some filthy things I ain’t proud of.

>Well,you could always improve the world by hanging yourself, I guess.

>>You refuse to address the issue of copyright violation, however, Mr.
>>McVay: will you continue to violate the law?

>Assumes something untrue — that Ken’s archiving of your very, very
>public postings violates the law.

Your professional opinion, counselor?

The issue is expected use. Archiving an entire NG is an expected use.
Archiving a particular person only is not and never has been. Nor has been
keeping such material over the objection of the creator save under the “too
hard” category that would required deletion from a comlete archive. When it can
be easily deleted there is no excuse for not complying with the wishes of the
author and owner.

>Check with a lawyer. A real one; not one of your “Christian Identity”
>lawyers.

The Chistian Coalition is one of the few groups left support you lying jew
traitors. You need to become more judicious in your posts.
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On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 23:09:18 -0700, [email protected] (Rajiv K.
Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 17:29:59 -0700, [email protected] (Rajiv K.
>> Gandhi) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> >[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>>
>> >[snip]
>>
>> >> Therefore, McVay and the other two are in violation of Canadian law.
>And of
>> >> course that is knowing violation of Canadian law.
>>
>> >Wrong. Nizkor has violated no copyright, nor has it broken any laws.
>>
>> Are you giving legal advice, counselor?

>Advice would be where I would tell you to take a particular action. For
>example, if I were to tell you to take a short walk, or to join AA, that
>would be advice. What I wrote above is an opinion, you twit.

It is again interesting to see that you would employ the methods discussed in
the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. That was a forgery. How could the forger
be so inciteful into holohugger methods? It is clearly impossible.

In fact you gave a legal opinion that is only punishable if it is wrong and
people act upon it. You are in deep shit, silly handle.

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