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Article: 68878 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: holohugging traitors
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:01:25 GMT
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 05:17:01 GMT, [email protected] (Lorne Beaton)
wrote:
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>>On Mon, 23 Sep 1996 20:01:51 -0300, Keith Morrison
>>>This from the same man who pontificated long and loud about there
>>>being wars that were undeclared that were nonetheless wars when I
>>>asked him who the US Constitution gave the sole power to make a
>>>declaration of war.
>>>Does the term “double standard” spring to mind?
>> Only ignorant Canadians such as yourself can do that.
>> As you know, my point is the claim that there was a DECLARED war zone when there
>>was no such thing. I added that a country can not declare a war zone without
>>declaring a war.
>> But then you are a Canadian.
>So am I, and what’s that got to do with anything?
Such a candid admission. Why would you do that to yourself?
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From [email protected] Wed Sep 25 22:37:58 PDT 1996
Article: 68879 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Topf and Sons, all round geniuses
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 00:12:03 GMT
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On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 05:14:38 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
wrote:
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>[snip]
>> I was unaware that it was your considered opinion that no one designed the
>>buildings and the gas chambers. You do great research.
>>
>> You will note that I did refer to design, not construction. Want to take
>>another shot at it?
>Pruefer of Topf and Sons designed the furnaces.
>Dejaco of the SS-Bauleitung was one of the building architects for the
>Kremas.
>Did you have a point you wished to make?
Yes. But you have still missed the designer of interest. That of the designer
of the room in the LK that was supposed to be used for gassing.
Can you find his name? He deserved a lot of credit as you realize.
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From [email protected] Wed Sep 25 23:03:39 PDT 1996
Article: 68888 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Autopsy reports of gassing where there were no gas chambers
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 23:36:22 GMT
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On Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:52:03 GMT, [email protected] (Mike Curtis) wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> cross-examination. What makes you think that the toxilogical reports (which were
>>> rendered by a laboratory in Paris) were not part of his report?
>>>
>>> –YFE
>>>
>>>>>>
>>Originials, please.
>Here! In this forum?!? Get thee to the National Archives and do the
>comparisons yourself. If you feel that Larson was not qualified as an
>expert then present your evidence. If you feel that the evidence was
>not properly put into evidence (per-1940 law) then provide your
>evidence.
Not only is does the subject make the claim that there are autopsy reports it is
clear that by the timing events that even if there had at one time been a gas
chamber there, liberation came much too late to autopsy the bodies.
Beyond that YFE is claiming to have the document that contains them in what
comes PRIOR to what has been posted here.
It is simply a matter of calling his bluff. The man is lying about it.
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From [email protected] Wed Sep 25 23:03:41 PDT 1996
Article: 68892 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Leave it To Giwer (Re: Where is our german linguist?) – fndaerab.jpg (0/1) – fndaerab.jpg (1/1)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 01:01:16 GMT
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On 24 Sep 1996 15:13:23 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:
>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>: On Mon, 23 Sep 1996 20:54:37 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>:
>: >[email protected] (Matt Giwer) offers the web sites
>: >of Greg Raven, a Hitler admirer who stated that Hitler
>: >was a “great man” and “the best thing that could have
>: >happened to Germany”. He also offers Ernst Zundel’s
>: >site; Zundel not only admires Hitler,
>:
>: Without the fabulous holocaust, Hitler was no worse than Mussolini or Franco.
>: Your argument is circular.
>So you’re a big admirer of Mussolini and Franco?
How can anyone but a jew traitor be so illiterate?
>: he also believes
>: >that the Nazi leadership escaped Germany in “secret
>: >UFO’s” and flew into the inner earth through a big
>: >hole in the South-Pole (see the web site with Zundel’s
>: >”research”, address posted by Jamie McCarthy).
>:
>: Jimmy Carter saw UFOs and was attacked by rabbits.
>So you’re a big admirer of Jimmy Carter?
I am not a jew traitor.
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From [email protected] Wed Sep 25 23:03:43 PDT 1996
Article: 68895 of alt.revisionism
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: SEND’IM TO DA LAND!
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On 24 Sep 1996 16:07:20 -0700, [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>[a twit said]
> “Keren, the slimey, murderous, lying traitor to everything American.
> He is a jew and his loyalty is to Israel not the the US.
> It is his kind that need to be sent to the land where their loyalties lie.”
>One can only wonder what made the twit think Dr. Keren was an
>American? Boy, if _I_ had an IQ of 163, _I_ would have figured
>out where he was from by cleverly reading his writing!
>Whaddamoran.
If he is a Canadian then his loyalty to Israel is understood.
>–
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>”I can and will come in under another name that is not killfiled. You
>folks have proven yourselves so freaking dumb that I can do anything I
>want to show what idiots you are.” (Matt Giwer, June 13, 1996)
Good to see you agree.
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 07:47:55 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Moron cops out again (was: Priests Murdered in Dachau)
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On Tue, 24 Sep 96 08:55:20 GMT, [email protected] (Allan Matthews) wrote:
>In article <32468a5f.25[email protected]>, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:
>>>>[email protected] (Mike Curtis) wrote:
>>>(_Inside the Vicious Heart: Americans and the Liberation of Nazi
>>>Concentration Camps_, by Robert H. Abzug, Oxford, 1985)
>>
>> Reference to a book is nothing.
>Now this is enlightening. Just what sort of “reference” would you like him to
>provide, Moron? It seems that no amount or type of references or evidence
>will ever convince an anti-semitic denier like you about anything.
Consider that if the person in fact had the book then typing in or summarizing
the relevent material from the book would be the proper response. If the person
does not have the book and is simply stealing the footnote from another book
then it would be appropriate to only post the reference.
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 07:47:56 PDT 1996
Article: 68971 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Where was the jewish modesty?
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On 21 Sep 1996 19:43:26 GMT, Jean-Francois Beaulieu
> One of the most incredible claim of the gassing story is that men and women
> had to remove their clothes in the same room before to go in the gas chamber.
> Back those days, modesty was largely present, more than today, and the Nazis
> were definitivelly prudish. We have just to remember how they considered por-
> nography. Many Jews also. Especially the religious.
> In spite of the fact that some tales described few convoys were the Jews
> were ‘aware’ about their fate and protested a bit, more often they were
> supposed to be ignorant about it. I’ve just search in a couple of books
> and there seems to be no reference to that.
> It is hardly believable that the SS couldn’t figure that a unique undressing
> room for both sex was a so good idea. First, it was going against their bigo-
> try. Second, they could expect too much protestations from Jews. But the odd
> here is that we should expect in the SK tales a frequent reference to Jewsness
> who refused to undress in front of men, or the contrary. Disorder, protesta-
> tions, since they were normally unaware about their fate. Of course the SS had
> gunmachines, but what we are told is that they tried as much as possible to
> fool the Jews. For _each_ gassing we should expect several men and women who
> shout ‘In front of the men?’, loud protestations and a group of SS who would
> be obligated to threat the Jews with their guns. And even in that case, sup-
> plications, during minutes we would expect men or women asking to bring a cur-
> tain, an protestations again, and SS repeating ‘do it or die!’. After two or
> three of those scenes, since the purpose was allegedly to drive the Jews quie-
> ly without incidents toward the gas chamber, the SS would perfectly realized
> that the best method was to take in account the mentalities and to separate
> them in two groups from the begining to the end. However, we have not such
> tales. The stories are based upond mixed groups who removed their clothes
> without protesting systematically.
> http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/
But you forget, they were under the control of pure evil, a satanic influence,
and everyone willingly gets naked when evil commands it. It is in all the
witchcraft literature.
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 08:22:47 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: White MEN Created Everything
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On Sun, 22 Sep 1996 17:24:58 -0400, [email protected] (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>> He was a thousand years off and 400 miles away. There is no
>reason to believe
>> that the Hebrews were even in Egypt or that there was ever a Moses and all the
>> evidence is to the contrary, not to mention that the Hebrews were
>polytheists at
>> least until 600 BC and to by some evidence hundreds of years afterwards.
>>
>> Other than that, Freud was “close.”
>> […deletia…]
>> You missed the obvious reason, that the Hebrews were never in
>Egypt and were not
>> monotheists.
>>
>> Other than that, you were close.
>Please note Message-ID <[email protected]> posted on
>or about September 6, 1996 in which Giwer states:
> “You keep reading [my posts] and keep posting about them.
> That will waste your time while I concentrate on posting the
> idiocies of the holohuggers. I will post just enough to you
> folks to keep you interested and keep your limited time
> wasted. I have 18 hours a day seven days a week if I wish.”
>Giwer is, as he admits above, a troller whose only interest is in
>causing fights. While he can sound plausible, he has lied about what
>has been said in exchanges (while accusing others of lying), refused to
>document claims, pretended not to see posts which contain documented
>refutation of his claims (even when they have been emailed to him),
>engaged in actual libel, and generally conducted himself with such
>complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity that it seems
>counterproductive to take the time to read and respond to him.
>For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to
>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt and the
>various subdirectories beneath this. Of particular interest will be:
> https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html
> https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html
>A Web-based guide to the Giwer files can be found at
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/ .
>JGB
>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown [email protected]
> “What’s going to happen?” “Something wonderful…” — ‘2010’
========
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Subject: Those Polish spies again
From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:46:23 GMT
Anyone want to explain this one?
” It was in 1942 [at Belsen] that the special electrical appliances were built
in for mass extermination of people. Under the pretext that the people were
being led to the bath-house, the doomed were undressed and then driven to the
building where the floor was electrified in a special way; there they were
killed. ”
IMT VII – p.576-577.
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 14:44:50 PDT 1996
Article: 69021 of alt.revisionism
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Acceptance makes truth
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On 17 Sep 1996 16:27:07 GMT, [email protected] (Richard Schultz) wrote:
>william c anderson ([email protected]) wrote:
>: Hilberg is not a historian…why? Because you say so? If you intend
>: to assert that he’s not an historian because his degree was in political
>: science, it’s going to be difficult to take you seriously.
>Furthermore, Hilberg explicitly says what he is doing in his introduction.
>He explains that he is writing about the Holocaust from the Nazis’ own
>point of view; thta is, he examined documents written by the Nazis and
>reports what he found. If a political scientist is not supposed to
>examine the workings of a government by examining the documents it
>leaves behind, just what is it that he’s supposed to do?
At least you agree he is not a historian. So what is your point in posting?
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Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing
There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,alt.censorship,alt.religion.scientology,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe
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On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:49:46 GMT, [email protected] (Mike Curtis) wrote:
>[email protected] (Alexander Baron) wrote:
>>In article
>> [email protected] writes:
>>
>>> In article <843[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>> > And when we take over we will march into your synagogues and gun you all
>>> > down, every single one of you. And you won’t be able to do anything about
>>> > it because, like the dumb Yids you are, you have voted away the right to
>>> > bear arms under the constitution.
>>> >
>>> > And when we’ve finished the kikes we’ll start on the niggers, then the queers,> > then the…
>>>
>>> This from Al Baron, who insists he is not an anti-Semite.
>>>
>>> I’d say the definitive proof of his hatred is right here.
>>
>>You really are one dumb fuck, aren’t you Schwarz? When the right to bear firearms
>>has been abolished only the state will have guns,
>In America the power to control guns is really and Constitutionally
>with the 50 states. The Federal government is Constitutionally unable
>to ban guns. The recent “ban” of “assault” weapons is a ban on
>importation so is right know a legal symantic problem and might even
>be unconstitutional.
The ban is also upon the manufacture and interstate shipment, meaning the
perversion of the power to regulate into the power to ban is still in force.
When it was alcohol, it required an amendment.
>There is no restrictions on people owning these
>guns.
It would appear inextricably connected that the right to own is the right to buy
is the right to manufacture and the right to sell. But this is a different
world where manufacture and sale can be prohibited and still maintain the
fiction of the right to own.
>The American second amendment is a restriction on Federal
>government of this nation and not on the 50 states of this nation. So
>far the 2nd amendment has not been incorporated into the 14th
>amendment.
However, something like 38 state constitutions have a stronger protection of the
RTKBA then does the US Constutions.
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 14:44:52 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Tue, 24 Sep 96 23:54:35 EST, [email protected] (Scott Erb) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says…
>> Remember Waco, The murderers are still free.
>(snicker)
>That line pretty much tells everything about Matt G.
>Want to defend Jimmy Jones too. (snicker, snicker)
By analogy, I am unaware of any violation of any firearms law he committed.
Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what laws under the jurisdiction of the
BATF Jones is considered to have violated. I will be waiting.
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Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Gary “Gerhard” Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists?
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On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:46:53 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:54:10 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> >> Ole Kreiberg ([email protected]) wrote:
>> >> > Only Germans can be genuine nazis.
>>
>> >Really? I’ll bet George Lincoln Rockwell would have disagreed with that
>> >statement.
>>
>> It is interesting that you would cite him as an authority on any subject.
>WHY is it interesting, Mr. Giwer?
>
>Don’t YOU think George Lincoln Rockwell was a Nazi? And an American?
So far as I am aware the NSDAP went out of business in early 1945 and the NSAWP
out of business on December 9, 1941. If he is amused to call himself a Nazi
that is his business. Perhaps he just has a perverted sense of humor and enjoys
making so many fools shit in their pants when they hear him use the label.
I have no interest what he labeled himself, Nazi, Cathar, Hun, whatever. He
never had the slightest chance to start a political party and even if he had the
US was much too well armed for him to stay in power more than a few weeks. The
US is still much too well armed for anyone of the totalitarian persuasion to
survive very long.
I, too, laugh at the thought of you folks having to change your underwear so
often.
>I would certainly cite him as an authority on whether non-Germans can be
>Nazis, since he WAS one.
And of course you believe that a person is whatever he calls himself. If you
call your local mental hospital they can probably introduce you to a lot of
people you would like to talk with.
>You really are an idiot, aren’t you?
Are you suggesting that he was a political Nazi and supported such things as did
the NSDAP as universal health care, social security, universal opportunity at
higher education and the like? I have posted their 1933 platform many times.
Have you missed it every time?
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ‘The strain on the furnaces was colossal’
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On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:05:37 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:
>[email protected] (John Morris) wrote:
>>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 00:47:58 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:
>>>
>>>>[email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Kurt Prufer, senior engineer of Topf and Sohne, testifying in Erfurt,
>>>>>Germany, March 5, 1946
>>>>>[Quoted from the interrogation transcripts by Prof. Gerald Fleming
>>>>>from the University of Surrey, in an NYT article, July 18 1993]
>>[snip]
>>
>>>> Now heres a guy who was at the camp numerous times in the direct
>>>>function of installing Kremas who we should presume to be one of the
>>>>”Ordinary Germans” and “willing executioners, who we should expect to
>>>>know quite a bit about the crematoriums. A first hand, expert witness
>>>>so to speak. One might think the inquiring body would be keen on
>>>>getting a detailed picture.
>>
>>So, we have Tom Moran who thinks there was no Holocaust because some
>>interrogators did not ask detailed technical questions about furnace
>>construction. . . .
>>
>>> Now, now. You have read the statement of the “president” of the trials. They
>>>were required to be short and fast and it was forbidden to do anything that
>>>would lengthen the trials such as, as I have presented, require proof that the
>>>crimes actually occurred.
>>
>>And we have Matt Giwer who thinks these questions were asked at some
>>trial or other.
>>
>>Okay. Which trial?
>>
>>You are always going on about how you want to get at the truth of what
>>actually happened. So tell us what happened. Tell us at which trial
>>Pruefer was examined.
>>
>>> Remember these were War Crimes Trials. The War Crime of interest was losing the
>>>war, sort of a negative crime but certainly punishable by death.
>>
>>If this particular case examined at a War Crimes Trial, surely you can
>>tell us which one.
>>
>>[cue the “Jeopardy” theme]
> Giwer, I think Mr.Morris may have us here. Maybe it wasn’t a
>trial. In that case all one would have to do is maintain the intial
>critique and just change the references to any trial. Then maybe
>Mr.Morris would come back and try to deal with it more directly.
> But wait, we have an interogation, with this expert testimony,
>and it never went to a court? Shocking.
Quite. Very shocking. Things the raise as gospel do not exist when others
raise them. Very much like Keren’s spam.
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust/UFO Analogy
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On 24 Sep 1996 19:30:16 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>> You folks appear to believe that if you keep saying it that the three
>>ambiguous documents and the traces of insecticide will become more than they
>>are.
> Ambiguous? Like the Posen Speech of Himmler?
That’s one of them.
>> On the other hand, I have seen hundreds of pictures and films of UFOs.
>>Anyone with a web browser can find hundreds of such pictures.
> It’s not difficult to produce a fake UFO report, complete with
>pictures. Last year I actually created a picture of three flying saucers in
>the background of picture of a landmark. (I did it for the amusement value and
>to see how hard it was to do.)
> Even without a computer it can be done with a camera, some props
>and a little ingenuity.
But holohuggers do not even go that far. They find a picture, however innocuous
say of two students standing in front of the class, and caption it something
like “Jewish children berated in front of class” when there is not the least
indication of their race or religion or that they are being berated in the
picture. Any picture of poorly dressed people standing in line are being
“selected” for gassing.
There was even a picture posted here of someone apparently crushed by a rock and
it was labeled as a Jew as a result of Krystallnacht. It was obviously no more
than a creative label.
So you see, it is even easier to create holocaust pictures than UFO pictures.
No technology at all is involved. It is simply creative captioning of pictures
with no known relationship to much of anything. On the other hand, perhaps only
a holohugger psychological evaluation, to see where their subconscious dwells.
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Holocaust/UFO Analogy
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On 24 Sep 1996 21:26:57 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:
>Alexander Baron ([email protected]) wrote:
>: Why aren’t people who question UFOs branded anti-Semitic?
>Because the aliens are all Hindus, Al.
You missed the trailer for History of the World, Part II.
But of course the point is the absense of physical evidence for holocaust
gassing.
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 15:26:08 PDT 1996
Article: 44770 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Acceptance makes truth
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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:09:44 GMT, [email protected] (Ken Lewis) wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 17:19:17 GMT, [email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>> The facts are otherwise. First, there are exactly two historians who have
>>investigated and published on the holocaust. (People like Wiesel and Hilberg
>>are not historians.)
>You _WISH_ Hillberg wasn’t an historian but sadly, for you case, he is, and
>a well respected one.
You will of course cite his PhD and the granting institution?
This is another issue you just cannot stamp you foot
>and say “I said so,” Matt. Your opinion on Hillberg doesn’t matter a pinch
>of coon shit.
That is correct. Neither does his opinion on any holocaust matters. As of 1989
he had spent exactly one day at Auschwitz by his own testimony and was, by that
same testimony, unfamiliar with common material on the holocaust.
>As for Wiesel? He never claimed to be a historian.
I was simply pointing out the neither of them are historians. That can not be
changed.
From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 15:34:54 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Priests Murdered in Dachau
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:16:33 GMT
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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 00:59:07 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
wrote:
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>>On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 05:03:22 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>>
>>>[snip]
>>
>>>> How did you get from a tabulation of deaths to murder?
>>
>>>How did you come to believe that a 50% morbidity rate among Polish
>>>priests at Dachau was okay?
>>
>>>–
>>> John Morris
>>> at University of Alberta
>[baiting deleted]
>> What was their average age? If it was 50, the survival rate is surprisingly
>”If?” So basically you don’t have a clue. You don’t know the average
>age, the average length of imprisonment, or the average life span
>while imprisoned.
>Why should I bother answering arguments that flow from wilfull
>ignorance?
As you remember, it was your fellow CS PhD holohugger who was claiming the
deaths were so far out of line that they had to be murder. So your comments all
apply to his conclusion. And it is good to see you agree he was and is full of
shit in his murder claim.
Now, where are all the rabbis? Were they really all collaborators as the list
indicates?
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:29 PDT 1996
Article: 69063 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Priests Murdered in Dachau
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On 25 Sep 1996 22:48:49 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>
>> If the average age was 50 and given the average life expectancy in the
>60 to 65
>> range (it was 63 average in the US in that time frame, 61 for men), that is an
>> extremely high survival rate over seven years.
>> You are so blinded by your traitorous, jew hatred that fall on your sword
>over
>> elementary population distributions. Undergraduate stuff. I forgot, computer
>> science. You would not know anything about this sort of thing. It is too hard
>> for CS types.
> Actually you are, once more, showing your ignorance of basic science.
>Life expectancy is *not* computed based on total life expectancy (as you did) but
>the life expectancy of the cohort. In the 1930’s the life expectancy for a *newborn*
>might well have been 61; the life expectancy for a 50 year old man was higher.
> Please learn some basic demographics. This is as bad as when you
>described distributions of 3-0 and 283-5 as being within normal demographic limits.
Now that you are on the right track, what was the average life expectancy of the
cohort in the camp? If you can not answer that, you can not determine the
expected number of deaths. Nor can it be determined if the number of deaths is
out of line with that expectation.
It is good to see you agree the CS PhD don’t know shit about the subject.
Now, where are all the rabbis?
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:30 PDT 1996
Article: 69065 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Acceptance makes truth
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On 16 Sep 1996 20:51:40 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:
>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>: It is often suggested that because historians have looked at
>: the holocaust and pronounced it true then it becomes the standard that
>: must be negated. That would appear a reasonable assumption on the
>: surface and of course that is the purpose of a fallacy, to appear
>: reasonable.
>: The facts are otherwise. First, there are exactly two historians
>: who have investigated and published on the holocaust.
>Matt, do you just make this stuff up as you go along? Why are there
>over two hundred contributers listed in the _Encyclopedia of the
>Holocaust_? Why does my library have on it’s shelves three fat
>bibliographies on the Holocaust, jam-packed with books and articles
>by historians?
You need to separate the historians from the contributors.
But since you claim to have the list, why not provide the names and credentials
of the real historians next to their papers on gassing? Take all the screens
you need.
>: (People like
>: Wiesel and Hilberg are not historians.)
>Hilberg is not a historian…why? Because you say so? If you intend
>to assert that he’s not an historian because his degree was in political
>science, it’s going to be difficult to take you seriously.
Because his doctorate is in Political Science and Public Administration and the
history chair was funded on condition that he fill it. If you have the money
you can buy a chair that way also.
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Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing
There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause
From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:31 PDT 1996
Article: 69066 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: SEND’IM TO DA LAND!
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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 00:05:46 -0700, [email protected] (Rajiv K.
Gandhi) wrote:
>Troll-Giwer, at [email protected] now that Netcom removed his sorry
>carcass from their service, wrote:
>> >One can only wonder what made the twit think Dr. Keren was an
>> >American? Boy, if _I_ had an IQ of 163, _I_ would have figured
>> >out where he was from by cleverly reading his writing!
>>
>> >Whaddamoran.
>>
>> If he is a Canadian then his loyalty to Israel is understood.
>Everything is spelled correctly and the grammar is almost correct, yet
>still the impotent troll spews something inane and incoherent. Is this a
>particular trait of the Giwer, the alcohol, or the genetic accident which
>resulted in the misguided procreation of a troll ?
It is good to see the silly handle once more demonstrate the limits of its
ability to make a substantive contribution to the discussion. You’re a jew,
right?
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:31 PDT 1996
Article: 69068 of alt.revisionism
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On 26 Sep 1996 03:18:20 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>> On 24 Sep 1996 02:21:21 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>> > Becasue they are true. To review the bidding you sent me your usual
>> >anit-Semitic garbage in an e-mail. You were asked, as you have been in the
>past,
>> >not to send me any e-mail. Your entire response was:
>
>> > “I am tired of your shit. Fuck off.”
>
>> > That communication, in itself, is criminal harrassment.
>
>> Responses to your email can not be considered harrassment while the
>email you
>> initiated can be.
> Garbage. You e-mailed me anit-Semitic material. You were asked to
>stop. Not only is that not harrassment but it was at the direction of your ISP after
>their logs demonstrated that you had sent it to me. Your response to a request
>not send me e-mail is quoted in full above.
Strange they told me quite the opposite about the logs. But then you are known
to get hysterical on this subject. You are very strange. I would suggest you
get a prosthetic foreskin so you can feel like a whole man again rather than
like a sexually mutilated primitive.
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:32 PDT 1996
Article: 69069 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: holohugging traitors
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:33:37 -0300, Keith Morrison
>Matt Giwer wrote:
>> >This from the same man who pontificated long and loud about there
>> >being wars that were undeclared that were nonetheless wars when I
>> >asked him who the US Constitution gave the sole power to make a
>> >declaration of war.
>>
>> >Does the term “double standard” spring to mind?
>>
>> Only ignorant Canadians such as yourself can do that.
>>
>> As you know, my point is the claim that there was a DECLARED war zone when there
>> was no such thing. I added that a country can not declare a war zone without
>> declaring a war.
>>
>> But then you are a Canadian.
>Damn straight and proud of it. By the by, when was the British declaration
>of war made against the Argentinians in 1982? I’m really curious because
>I kept hearing about this “war zone” around the Falklands but I can’t really
>remember a formal declaration of war.
I did not keep the date. It was a limited declaration regarding matters
pertaining to the liberation of the Falklands.
What did you do? Buy shares in the Malvinas Development Corporation?
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:29:30 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
># We have been over your ignorance of how diesel engines operate
># many times.
>Not once. You, however, claimed they cannot produce enough CO
>to kill, while experiments proved that a) up to 6% CO can be
>present in the exhaust, and b) animals in a closed chamber
>will indeed die when exposed to diesel exhaust.
And if used in that mode the buildings would have been fire traps. Trains went
right past the fire trap buildings.
># And besides I have posted the TRUE, EYEWITNESS testimony that
># STEAM was used and not diesel engines.
>Can you provide the name of the witness who said that?
When you provide the names and addresses of all the “witnesses” you spam with I
will consider myself being deficient. Until you start doing that, I am meeting
your standard. However, I have given the IMT reference and where it is used in
Gilbert’s “Nuremberg Diary” which is far ahead of your “standard.”
In any event, you are full of shit.
>As we all know, the origin of the “steam” is from a wartime
>report which *speculated* that steam was used. It was written by
>Poles who spied on the camp. And we know that the sonderkommando
>survivors and the SS-men, as well as the Ukrainian guards –
>that is, all first-hand witnesses – said diesel exhaust
>were used.
Speculation your ass. This is a clear description of someone who saw the steam
generating equipment in operation.
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:43:39 GMT
Hey, Keren! Where is your story about the Polish “spies” not getting
close this time?
” The second building [at Treblinka] consists of three chambers
and a boiler-room. The steam generated in the boilers is led by
means of pipes to the chambers. There are terracota floors in the
chambers which become very slippery when wet … All victims had
to strip off their clothes and shoes, which were collected
afterwards, whereupon all victims, women and children first, were
driven into the death chambers. Those too slow or too weak to
move quickly were driven on by rifle butts, by whipping and
kicking…Many slipped and fell, the next victims pressed forward
and stumbled over them. Small children were simply thrown
inside. After being filled up to capacity the chambers were
hermetically closed and steam was let in. In a few minutes all
was over.”
IMT XXXII – pp. 156-157.
This affidavit was part of the opening prosecution, read into
the record on December 14, 1945. It is quoted in part in GM
Gilbert’s *Nuremberg Diary* p. 69.
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So please drop your idiot claim that it was “speculation.” This is close up,
first hand observation.
Get over it. They were steamed to death. This is the evidence.
>You’re like someone who claims that, because some eyewitnesses
>thought they saw a missile strike TWA 800, while it seems
>no missile was used, we have proof the plane was never shot
>down.
>But we know all about your powers of reasoning. See below.
>-Danny Keren.
> —
>In Message-ID: <[email protected]>, Matt Giwer
>suggested that documents about a “gas chamber” and “gassing cellar”
>in the Birkenau crematoriums didn’t count, as they were really due
>to “a morbid sense of humor” of the SS men who authored the documents.
Actually all you are demonstrating is your ability to lie about gassing in the
face of a clear witness description of the steam equipment and its use.
Get back to defending the Israeli murderers, jew.
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:12:06 -0400, A Gryn
>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>>
>> I was speaking of the campaign speeches of both candidates made in Israel and
>> carried in the news. Of you never pay attention to the news.
>1. The overdubbed speeches were English – because they were translated.
Funny thing, the lips were in sync with the english. How is that possible?
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On Fri, 20 Sep 96 17:36:27 GMT, [email protected] (Nele Abels)
wrote:
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>> McFly nad Ferree are both idiots.
>Drunk again in public. Aren’t you ashamed, Mr. Giwer?
Does it please your sense of integrity to spread the popular libel of the
holohuggers?
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In an update, the leader of the Palestinian East Jerusalem Executive Committee,
while trying to calm the rioters and to get them to go home, was attacked by
Israeli security forces.
Peace is not desired.
The US, Warren Christopher has asked that the tourist attraction tunnel be
closed in the interests fo peace but the answer of Israel is a flat no, a
refusal to remove the cause of the rioting.
In an interview with Peter Jennings, the Mayor of Jerusalem flatly dismissed the
concerns of the Palestinians over the interests of tourism. Jennings asked why
this administration ignored the concerns while previous administrations had
recognized them. The mayor again referred to the interests of tourism.
Israeli helicopters opened fire with gatling guns on the people of Ramallah,
film shown on ABC World News Tonight.
Arafat called for Palestinians to put done their guns and restore order. It was
only partially effective.
Netanyahu has refused to order Israeli forces to put down their guns.
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If there was ever any question that Israel would rather have tourist earnings
rather than peace, this is a clear example of it.
The difference between now and the Intifada is that there are 30,000 armed
Palestinian police. Attacking them involves street fighting. They can tie up
at least 90,000 IDF troops.
Of course Syria has an open wound from only a few months ago.
However, Israel deliberately set off this riot and knows that it will make the
country vulnerable to military attack which appears to be part of the intent of
the provocation.
The obvious intent of this action by Israel is the end of the peace process
which was promised in the election. Israeli apologists will ignore the
provocation and blame it all upon the Palestinians. Not only the end of the
peace process but the retaking of the surrendered territories and, if a military
attack can be provoked, the expansion of the military occupation of more of the
middle east.
It is such a transparent move that it is unclear just how long it will take for
the Israeli apologists in the US to get the Israeli provocation out of the news.
They are working very hard now to prevent the provocation from being directly
discussed.
It is not a question of what Israel would rather do, have a tourist attraction
or kill Palestinians. It is obvious they want to do both.
How long before the US realizes just what kind of nation it has been supporting
all of these years?
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Priests Murdered in Dachau
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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:39:28 +0000, Chuck Ferree
>Chuck Ferree writes:
>Guess the Liar Gywar has never been to Dachau, or Chicago either.
Hey, Chuckle Fairy. It is OK for a jew to have been a nazi collaborator or
worse. Jews didn’t have the sense to kill collaborators rather they are
elevated to hero status. As there are not rabbis on the list the only
explanation obvious is that they were collaborators.
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:37 PDT 1996
Article: 69085 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture.europe,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Kreiberg’s plans to deport Danish citizens
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:14:35 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 22 Sep 1996 13:31:45 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> >When people discuss their “roots,” I often explain to them that I can
>> >trace mine back to a pit in the town of Stolin. That’s where my family
>> >history is.
>>
>> Most of mine are in graves in Cincinnati but that does not mean I
>can not go
>> further. You are very strange.
>>
>> >I know of very few Jews who can trace their ancestry back much farther
>> >than that.
>>
>> You are fixated upon an event that never happened. That is the
>holohugger
>> mentality. Just plain strange.
>An event that never happened?
>That’s interesting, Mr. Giwer, considering that members of my family have
>BEEN TO and SEEN the pit where my relatives died. I have seen the
>photographs.
What did you see a picture of? An open pit? Then you must have been able to
identify their bodies in it. If not, how do you know they died in that “pit”?
If it was not an open pit, how badly was the vegitation disturbed?
>What you fail to see, Mr. Giwer, is thatn when your ancectors died, their
>possessions remained intact. They were placed in graves with gravestones.
>You can go look at the graves, you can touch the letters, photographs, and
>other memorabilia that belonged to them.
Why would I want to do any of that for people I never knew? Why would anyone?
can’t even work up much excitement over people I did know. If you’ve seen one
grave you’ve seen them all. Just how many “easy lawn care” stones can you take?
>That is not possible for me, since everything belonging to the Jews of
>Stolin was destroyed.
Excuse me. Since I can do what can not then you are saying that you have no
idea what those pictures you were shown were.
But to get back to the point of many months ago, it is very, very strange to the
point of irrational to miss people you never knew.
>You may not believe in the Holocaust, Mr. Giwer, which just shows you’re
>stupid. But to tell me that my family was not killed, when the evidence
>clearly exists in the town of Stolin, in the pit on the edge of town, in
>the histories recorded in Yad Vashem; that just means you’re either
>delusional or stupid.
>
>Or both.
Anyone who claims a pit is evidence of murder isn’t wrapped all that tight.
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:38 PDT 1996
Article: 69087 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: taking away rights of non-Jews
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It has been the policy to remove the rights of Palestinians to reside in
Jerusalem.
Jerusalem for Jews.
It appears Israel has taken a matter of policy guidance from the NSDAP platform
of 1933. Only ethnic Jews permitted in Jerusalem. Sieg Israel!
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:38 PDT 1996
Article: 69097 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 05:44:04 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
wrote:
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Nizkor
Directed by an American currently employed by a US Department of Defense
contractor and who hosts Nizkor on the internet access of 1B Systems. It is
perhaps one of the largest collections of copyrighted material carried without
the permission of and in cases contrary to the objections of the copyright
holders. It also knowingly libels people and continues to do so after they have
been formally notified that their information is false.
It is perhaps the most flagrant of sites in violation of national and
international law on the web.
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:39 PDT 1996
Article: 69098 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: unsolicited email
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What happens is that every month or so, out of nowhere, YFE sends me email
complaining that I have sent him unsolicited email. (Lately he has taken to
claiming that is is also anti-semitic and obscene but he is getting rather
hysterical.) He also demands that I stop sending him email.
I respond by informing him that I have never initiated any email to him.
Then he complains that my response to his unsolicited and causeless email is
unsolicited email and that he uses as the basis for his libelous complaints.
One would think that an attorney would know better than to do something as
obvious as that.
But then, he is from Pennsylvania.
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 18:18:40 PDT 1996
Article: 69100 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Not feeling like a Mensch? (apologies to Mel Brooks)
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Now there is a cure for those “let down” feelings. Working in conjunction with
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 19:26:09 PDT 1996
Article: 69105 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism
Subject: McVay, posting target of the week
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Hey, folks, anyone in the groups where he posted this message interesting in
stomping on this clown needs to come to alt.revisionism and join in the fun. He
is an American currently in the employ of 1B Systems of British Columbia (finger
nizkor). He runs this Nizkor project on the 1B Systems internet access line.
1B Systems’ primary funding comes through the US DOD. CIA connections were
traceable until milnet purged several entries including his whois.
He is extraordinarily politically correct as are all of the holohuggers on this
conference. The holohuggers are primarily loyal to Israel and support bending
the US to the political will of Israel. He and they are in favor of every
minority at the expense of the majority by the use of force.
Note that he has an email address posted. If that does not work try
@oneb.almanac.bc.ca and @oneb.bc.ca as alternatives. Other variations may also
work.
And whatever you do, minimize your use of Nizkor. He is raising money and uses
the hit count to demonstrate how well the site is doing. At last puiblic report
on alt.revisionism Nizkor did not have tax exempt status so check with the BC
government before you send your money.
On 25 Sep 1996 23:08:14 -0700, [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC)
wrote:
>>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>”… as you can do nothing but attack the messengers.”
> “Right on, fat broad. Do you have do clean up McVay with your lips
> also? What a stupid and fat broad. If you are interested in the
> dictionary it is right there before fatbroad. The only way you got
> your title is by laying McVay and you know it. You have no other
> qualifications. You contribute nothing. You accept only sperm from
> a thing.” (Matt Giwer, at the height of vulgarity, June 22, 1996)
>>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>”… as you can do nothing but attack the messengers.”
> “Of course I ahve [sic] not been to the museum, dumbtwat….
> It is only a lying idiot dumbtwat who would suggest that
> visiting a particular museum is a sine que non for belief.”
> (Matt Giwer, Sept. 4, 1996)
>This this is the selfsame besotted, loudmouthed blowhard that tucked
>his tail firmly between his legs (there being little there to impede
>this process) and bravely fled when offered a golden opportunity to
>back up his mouth with his chequebook.
>That is, of course, because he isn’t interested in discussing
>history – or anything else. He’s akin to the small child,
>stomping his feet on the floor and demanding attention. And,
>as he’s demonstrated in the past with his infantile behavior,
>he will say absolutely anything in order to provoke an
>argument – i.e., to get attention.
>Tiring of his endless stream of evasions, insults and outright
>lies, I offered him an opportunity to put his money where his
>mouth was, and demonstrate that he actually _believed_ the
>crap he serves up as his own pompous brand of historical “reality.”
>I offered to let an independent forensics lab determine the
>issue, at, I might add, my expense if it should determine that
>this crude fellow was correct.
>What prompted his immediate “advance to the rear,” of course,
>was the other side of the coin – that he would have to meet
>the cost, as a donation to the Nizkor Project, if his foolish
>contention turned out, as it must, to be completely, utterly
>worthless. At that point, hoisted firmly on his own petard,
>he ran like the cowardly bully he daily proves himself to be.
>For the details of my offer, I invite you to peruse
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mcvay-ken/put-up-shut-up.html
>I further invite you, and anyone else among the estimated
>70-Million internet users, to regularly and routinely remind
>this prevaricating failure of a man of his cowardice by
>providing references to the URL cited, and to the offer he so
>obviously dreads.
>This coward, Matt Giwer, is, as far as I can determine, a troller whose only
>interest is in causing fights. While he can sound superficially
>plausible, he has lied about what has been said in exchanges (while
>accusing others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to
>see posts which contain documented refutation of his claims (even when
>they have been emailed to him), engaged in actual libel, and generally
>conducted himself with such complete lack of intellectual and factual
>integrity that there seems to be no point in taking the time to read and
>respond.
>For many here, no greater compliment can accrue than to be insulted by
>this contemptable husk of a man.
>For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to
>URL https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/net-abuse/
>URL https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lie-freely-admitted.html
>URL http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/email/
>URL https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/plagarized-01.html
>URL https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/
>URL https://nizkor.org/encouragements/
>Followups to Giwer trolls should be redirected to Mr. Giwer’s special
>newsgroup, alt.bonehead.matt-giwer, where they will be appropriately
>ignored. If your site does not carry alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,
>redirect non-Holocaust articles to alt.politics.white-power,
>an equally vapid dumping ground for Giwerundian babblings.
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Article: 69108 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Israel provokes the end of peace
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Israeli provokes the end of peace
by
Matt Giwer (c) 1996 <9/26>
I find no way out of this conclusion. The facts are simple.
Israel opened a tunnel that has been known for decades and has
known for decades that Palestinians would not accept it being
opened.
Benjamin Netanyahu campaigned against the peace process. He
campaigned against giving away land and against the lands that
had been given away. His government has knowingly sabotaged the
peace process.
In addition to sabotaging the process Israel has moved into
territories that are independent Palestine and into territories
that are supposed to be self ruled by Palestinians. Clearly,
were the intention other than taking control of these areas the
IDF would only have to control the perimeter and prevent rock
throwing Palestinians from entering Israel. Rather than that,
they have invaded.
They have invaded with tanks and armored personnel carriers.
They have fired into crowds with gatling guns from helicopters.
They have initiated all of the shooting.
On the other hand, Arafat has called for his people to lay
down their arms, Israel has not issued such an order. A peace
seeking leader of Palestinians in Jerusalem was addressing a
crowd calling for peace. When he appeared to be succeeding he
and the people listening to him were attacked by Israeli police
and beaten.
Back to the tunnel. With the approval of Netanyahu (while he
was out of the country) he permitted Jerusalem to open the tunnel
knowing full well that it would cause a violent response from the
Palestinians. To make it official the mayor of Jerusalem
personally got in there with a sledgehammer to help open the
tunnel. That in itself was a clear provocation to the
Palestinians, in fact all Muslims.
That of course was bad enough a provocation. But that was
not enough for the Israeli government. Just to rub it in, the
mayor said that it was done for the purely mercenary purpose of
increasing tourism revenues. It is as though Palestinians had
taken over the Wailing Wall and sold billboard space on it.
Of course it is all a silly, Muslim superstition to think
that the tunnel has any significance. But then it is a similar
superstition to give any value the west wall of some long gone
ruins. What it was was a deliberate disregard of Muslim
religious feelings and beliefs solely to provoke a violent
Palestinian response.
And the purpose of provoking that response was to justify
Israel invading independent Palestine and areas under Palestinian
self rule and to terminate the peace process. With the one
provocation and the insult that it was done purely for money
(deliberately invoking hatred of jews by using the mercenary
stereotype, help I’m a stereotype) was clearly deliberate as no
one who knows the least thing about the area would have expected
anything different.
As this is clearly a deliberate provocation by Israel there
is more than just inciting a few riots and ending the peace
process in mind. The long range objective is clearly to take
back self rule and perhaps abolition of Palestine. But there is
more in the mix.
During the Intifada the only people with arms were small to
medium sized groups with questionable weapons and training.
Today there are 30,000 armed Palestinian police to shoot back.
Thus there is a question of the vulnerability of Israel to
outside military attack in defense of the nation of Palestine.
As that is an obvious risk, Israel has obviously planned to
take advantage of it should it happen. In fact an outside
military attack may be the ultimate objective of the provocation
as they unnecessarily invaded parts of Palestine and self ruled
regions. If I had access to intelligence I would expect to find
that the Israeli Defense Force went to full alert before the
tunnel was opened. And by that I mean their real military units
not just the troops that have moved in to kill Palestinians.
This is another opportunity to expand Israel in addition to
scuttling the peace process.
You may think the above is harsh but if history is any
guideline there are Israelis saying things publically about these
events that make what I have said appear like glowing praise.
But in the US the Israeli apologists appear to be in an uphill
battle to get their act together. It is clear that they first
have to cover the crass mercantile excuse of profits over peace.
On the other hand, in the US pointing out profits over peace
can be portrayed as anti-semitic so the clever strategist can
both insult Muslims and shut off US criticism by declaring it
anti-semitic. And should this slaughter of Palestinians continue
and given the likelihood of Syrian and perhaps Lebanese military
intervention, US support is going to be essential, even though
the US should walk away for it.
Certainly it is going to be difficult for the US to veto UN
condemnation of this deliberate provocation. It is going to be
interesting to see how this progresses. Maybe even a nuclear
exchange in the Middle East instigated by Israel of course. At
that point Iraq can be the saviour of Islam and only a foolish US
would continue to support Israel despite the political liability
at home.
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: holohugging traitors
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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:11:08 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>The only traitors here are Nazi scumbags who defend and
>apologize for the Nazis, who murdered American POW’s in
>cold blood.
>Quoted from Evelyn Le Chene’s “Mauthausen”, p. 127:
> “In April 1945, nine American airmen were shot down. Four of
>them were brought to the camp in a large staff car. They were
>also made to stand against the wall and were interrogated by
>about fifteen SS-men. One fell dead at their feet; the other
>three were shot at the entrance to the crematorium”.
> “The crews baled out and some were shot while descending.
>Thirty-six airmen were brought to Mauthausen and interrogated
>in the bunker. Later, all were taken away by Wehrmacht
>officers. Five bodies of this group were brought back to
>Mauthausen for cremation. Nothing is known of what happened
>to the remaining thirty-one”.
I agree that there is no difference between the Nazis and the Israeli, both are
socialist, both murder … it is a long list.
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 19:26:11 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 26 Sep 1996 15:07:52 GMT, [email protected] (andy riveria) wrote:
>In article
>>
>>In <51[email protected]> [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) writes:
>>
>>! You may have wondered why jews support the traitor Pollard.
>>!
>>! That is because he is a Jew and they are jews and american
>>! jews who support either are scum jew traitors.
>>!
>>! But then, why be redundant. I said they were jews.
>>!
>>! And not one Jew has spoken against any of them.
>>!
>>! They do stick together.
>>
>>Caution lest he be judged by the company he keeps.
>FACT: oliver north sold arms to iran
>FACT: at the time iran said there was a state of war between american
>and iran
>FACT: at the time iran was actively carrying out acts of terrroism
>against the united states around the world
>FACT: oliver north has confessed to an act of treason
>FACT: oliver north is a hero to the christian coalition
Two points here.
The first is trivial in that in the proper legal precedent he did not commit
treason, a legal technicality but true.
The major point is that if everyone were held to the standards you propose for
North then there are literally thousands of prosecutions to be made starting
with every present and past president on down their respective chains of
command.
And that is the problem with singling out North, it is a political not a legal
issue.
For example North selling arms to Iran. He certainly had at least six other
people up to and including the SECDEF at the time who had to approve such sales.
That would certainly include Reagan one way or another.
But on the other side, Speaker of the House Jim Wright went to Nicuragua and
supported the Sandanistas in the election and the Sandanistas were a declared
enemy of the US in the same manner as was Iran. And in such circumstance we can
also prosecute at least a dozen Hollywood types including Ed Asner and Jane
Fonda for the same aid and comfort giving.
If I had the time I could resurrect the Carter and Ford parallels to these
situations.
It is about time to admit that the Cold War was a very nasty time and the US
(all parts of it) did very nasty things during it.
It is more important to realize that it is over and call of the attack dogs
rather than encourage them to find new targets which they are now doing. It is
time to realize that there are going to be layoffs in more than just the combat
troops that we need the most but are the first to go.
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>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>>
>> If you have a problem, post your complaints to
>>
>> [email protected]
>Yes, then Mike and I can have a good laugh while we work on the feed
>that I provide ICAN.
If you folks are really laughing I still have a few hundred of your mail bombs.
Are you saying that mcarr wants copies of all of them? I should be able to get
them all forwarded in about ten minutes. It is not worth automating with
eudora.
Mr. Carr’s email to me did not indicate that he was happy nor getting a laugh
out of yoru email but if you say that he is, who am I do deny him the simple
pleasures of life.
Would you like them back so you can share in the humor?
As I have noted I have not been able to save all of the thousands of your
mailbombs to me but I can return what I do have left.
So speak up. What do you want? What are you requesting me to send to Mr. Carr?
What are you requesting me to send to you?
Why are you suddenly sending from a new location?
It is also interesting that you are clearly making Mike Carr a partner in your
mail bombing. I would have thought it improper for an ISP to be involved in
mailbombing such as you have been doing. But if you are saying that Carr
supports your abuse of the net that is fine with me also. I will have no
problem sending him everything I have left of what you have sent me.
So what is it going to be?
Of course, he is getting a copy of this post.
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The four pieces of physical evidence of the extermination of
12 million people.
1) Ausrotten speech, suspected of being by Himmler, exists only
as a recording, not known if ever presented
2) Wannsee Protocol, which discusses forced emigration but
otherwise appears to have been unimplemented
3) Vergassnungkeller letter, which uses a word form theretofore
unknown in the German language that is construed to mean gas
chamber despite the composing words and the structure of the
sentence in which it is used.
4) insecticide traces, enough said
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On 25 Sep 1996 21:49:09 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>> Yahweh was one of the Elohim. Was that supposed to be a trick question?
> For you, Matt, “Is 1+1=2?” is a trick question!
Elohim is plural, schmuck.
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Israeli troops are in the independent Gaza Strip, to “control” citizens of
Palestine without the invitation of Arafat.
That is an invasion. That is murder. Demonstrations in Gaza are no business of
Israel. But then, tourists profits are more important than peace.
It is clearly a deliberate sabotage fo the peace process.
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On 25 Sep 1996 21:28:28 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>>On 23 Sep 1996 22:38:07 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:
>>> And who, pray tell, are the **”Bram Stocker”s and **”Bela Legosi”s of
>>>the Holocaust?
>> Those who invent stories of satanic laughter of pilots that can be
>>heard over the sound of their engines and other “eyewitnesses” the people like
>>McVay swear are telling the complete truth.
> Please give specific names and examples of who and where these claims
>were made by. Please give specific examples of where Ken McVay has claimed
>that “satanic laughter of pilots that can be heard over the sound of their
>engines”. The burden of proof is on you, Matt. You made the claims, you back
>them up.
Is it the purpose of you assholes to have me post the same response to questions
so many times that you can accuse me of spamming the individual answers? (Don’t
answer, that is rhetorical.) If you do not like satanic read DEVILISH right
here.
READ IT THIS TIME!!!
On 3 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA) wrote:
>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.016
>Last-modified: 1993/03/22
> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])
> [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]
> THE TRIAL OF THE EXECUTIONER OF SOBIBOR
> Shimon Kanz
>A jury of judges, prosecutors and defendors
>Germany and headed by the Israeli judge Dr. Beniski, heard testimony for
>3 days at the court of Tel Aviv. The testimony was given by Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann who survived after the revolt and who had refused to go to
>Germany in order to testify at the trial of the executioners of Sobibor.
>Her testimony led to a loud and stubborn victory of the persecution
>
>the hell she had experienced the more appeased the noise of the
>prosecutors and their questions and comments stopped and they lowered
>their heads.
>In the eyes of the Jewish judge, who himself had tasted the camps of
>Hitler, stood tears and his voice hardly found its way through throat.
Obviously not impartial but then this is Israel.
> SPECTACLES OF CRUELTY
>”Don’t ask me for exact dates”, said Mrs. Lichtmann to the provocating
>and torturing questions of the lawyers. “At that time no calender
>existed but on the other hand I remember the events of those days which
>I am describing because they will remain deeply rooted in my memory
>throughout my life.”
It appears that unlike the war crimes trials, the defense was permitted a
meaningful crossexamination.
>The awful depressed the mood and atmosphere of the courtroom. Horrow
>accompanied the route from Krakow from where the Germans had openly
>exiled her, through Miliz, Dubinki, Charaschow, and other places on the
>bloody road to Sobibor. Physical and mental pains, blows and
>humiliations. Her husband Mark Weismann was killed with stones during
>the work in the camp Postak.
“Stone him. Stone him.”
“Jehovah! Jehovah!”
Stoned? Who biblical. But maybe he really just inhaled.
>The strikes and blows of the SS-men and Ukrainians while passing the
>”Spalier” (their lines) before the entrance of the concentration points.
>Already at the beginning of her simple words the lips whispered
>automatically: “Is this possible?” From where did this woman with her
>delicate face and blue eyes, take the strength to endure these tortures?
>From where did she have the strength to tell again of her suffering?
She was a prostitute, professional witness and avoiding prosecution for her
treatment of women in the camps as were so many of the witnesses.
> DEVILISH LAUGHTER DEAFENS THE SCREAMING OF THE DYING
Devilish laughter. Melodrama testified to in court. The evil always laugh as
devilishly as they can. Ming the Merciless did it too.
Is any adult to take this seriously? Of course not. Only holohuggers believe
this sort of crap.
>She recalls events of Jews struck and shot on Dobinko. In Dobinko the
>Jews were loaded on wagon trains that went to Charabishow.
>Planes flew over the train shooting with machine guns into the wagons.
>They lowered the planes so that we could see the faces of pilots.
And the pilots were also shooting at the drivers and the engine/horses of these
wagons, depending upon translation.
And
>when they stopped the shooting for a while we heard them laughing. The
>devilish laughter deafened the screaming of those laughing.
Devilish laughter heard from pilots in the air over the noise of the engine.
Real true holohugger fantasy life here. And they could see the faces of pilots
>from inside closed wagons. This woman certainly has to be paid for this
performance.
>On the way somewhere near to Dubinko, they were taken out of the wagons
>and the men and women were forced to strip off their clothes and to
>begin dancing. The voice of Mrs. Lichtmann breaks off.
Ah, yes, dancing. Dancing to the devil’s tune no doubt. Very efficient these
Nazis.
>Her face reflects her feeling of tortures and inability to tell all. Her
>words shiver and only an echoe
>had become from day to day more terrible.
A true whacko so far.
>They were kept on the ground only one day. It was fenced in with barbed
>wire and again they were loaded on the wagons, like cattle from the
>slaughter and brought to Sobibor. Usually the journey from Charobichow
>took several hours. But then it extended to eternity and no one,
>neither Mrs. Lichtmann nor someone else from the survivors, remembers
>how long they travelled in the closed wagons.
So who could remember how long they traveled in closed wagons when they could
remember the faces of the pilots from the closed wagons? This person is truly
psychotic.
>Nevertheless, the journey lasted for a few days and the German soldiers
>were amused by their victims. There on the station before Sobibor the
>Ukrainians broke into the wagons and plundered jewelry and those who did
>not succeed to take of the ring of their finger in time, had the ring
>taken off together with the finger… “You don’t need either the finger
>nor the ring any more” the wild Ukrainians consoled their victims! “Soon
>you will be broiled and soap will be made from you, dist”.
Certainly fingers were just pulled off.
Tell me the truth. This was written by Stephen King, right?
>The Polish farmers also waited in front of the entrance to Sobibor and
>shouted at the Jews in the transports. “Throw us your money, anyway it
>will not redeem you from death, you are going to the gas chamber.”
But it was a secret and the farmers could not know about it.
But here it is not a secret and they do know about it.
It is also an interesting speech. Maybe it translates to a chant.
You will note below that no one understood what was being said in the same
testimony.
> THE SPEECH TO THE TRANSPORTS
>The shouts of the Poles penetrated into the conscience of those weakened
>from hunger and thrust
>screaming and yelling thus deafening the camp.
>The SS-man Michel who was called by the camp inhabitants “the speaker”
>as he received the arrivals with a prepared speech, did not have what
>
>gunshots. The Polish farmers also shouted at the Jews from Holland,
>Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Greece – but those did
>not understand the meaning of their shouts.
They did not understand the shouts. Then where did the translation of the chant
above come from? This witness?
>At their arrival to the camp they were welcomed with a speech by Michel:
>”You have to be disciplined. Strip off your clothes, make a nice bundle
>of them and attach them to the luggage, in order to recognize them
>immediately after the shower, because you will not receive other
>clothes here.”
Right, bundles of clothes. Every found a bundle of clothes. No one has.
>Among the transport of 7,000 men with whom Ada Lichtmann arrived in the
>year 1942 and who went on the same day to the gas chamber only three
>women survived chosen to work in the laundry. With an indication of his
>finger the SS-commander took her out of the line and asked her for
>profession. When she answered that she was a teacher he and his
>assistants broke out in laughter: “We will teach you to be a
>laundress… Choose two other girls.” Her closest friends Bela Sobol and
>Sarka Katz were already beyond the gate on the way to the crematorium,
>but she managed to get them out of the line.
In other words, like the soap threat earlier, she has no knowledge of what
happened after that point. The gassing all her fantasy.
>The Jews believed the Germans and in astonishing order they packed their
>belongings and after an hour not even one was alive, only a few
>craftsmen were allowed to survive.
But she has no way of knowing.
> SHOUTS GOING UP TO THE SKY IN THE NIGHT
>We three organized the laundry in the camp. Until then the German
>officers too were dirty and lice-infected. In the course of time the
>laundry was enlarged and women from other transports arriving daily were
>distributed to us. The judges realized how Mrs. Lichtmann hesitates in
>her narration and talk to her kindly: “Talk, remember as much as you
>can”.
They organized a non-existant laudry and then that non-existant laundry was
expanded.
Note here that the judge leads the witness. A typical war crimes tactic.
>The tension in the hall extended also to the memory of the woman. She
>feels the good eyes of Dr. Beinski on her and of the stenotypist, a
>Lieutenant in the police Mrs. Hela Koslowski who stops her tears while
>writing every word going out of her mouth.
>The Germans do not want to hear about what she knows to tell but what
>she has seen with her own eyes.
Who is it that does not want hearsay?
But how can she not tell about the
>shouts of women who arrived with the night transports.
That is a question and she can not tell because she did not witness it. What in
the hell does the author think witness means?
The heartbreaking
>shouts and screaming ceased for a moment and then once again beginning
>penetrating the limbs and soul. The SS-men boasted the next day that
>they raped the most beautiful women in front of the whole transport.
But she was not raped. Must have been real ugly.
>Generally the transports arrived during the day. Once on a hot summerday
>a transport arrived with thursty
>days since they had tasted a drop of water. The SS-officer allowed some
>to go and fetch water, but there the “Unterscharfu”hrer” Michel was
>already waiting for them and he made them run to a dug uphole which
>served as a privy and forced them to smear their body and face with the
>excrement. And thus he brought them back to the thursty
>the transport. From another transport young men were forced to beat each
>other to death. The last one remaining from this terrible battle was
>shot by the Germans.
And all of this from what she did not witness. Quite amazing that this is
level of testimony that was introduced in capital trials. Even more interesting
that crossexamination was not permitted.
> HEROIC DEEDS IN SOBIBOR
>The stories of Mrs. Lichtmann and her husband whom she met in Sobibor
>after the revolt are horrifying.
>They tell how the semi-alive victims tried to maintain to the last
>moment not only their human faces but also their human soulds. They tell
>about women who tried to save their children and were desparately driven
>to perform heroic deeds: About young mothers who attempted with their
>own bodies to cover and to defend their children. They tell about the
>Jewish officer of the Spanish civil war who immediately after his
>arrival tried organizing a revolt. The Germans found out about it and
>they chose 72 men and sent them to the crematorium. This massacre was
>supervised by the “Oberscharfu”hrer” Frenzel whose trial is taking place
>at the present inferment. Returning from the scene of the murder he
>ordered the quick erection of a temporary stage out of some planks,
>called for the orchestra, gathered the women and told them to sing and
>dance.
Thank you, Steven Speilberg. Jewrassic Pork lives.
>This Frenzel once caught a boy red-handed, eating sardines, he gathered
>all the Jews from the barracks and in front of all he shot the child.
Eating sardines. Are they not Kosher?
>Sobibor did not become at once a concentration of plants and workshops.
>The camp gradually expanded, developed slowly, erecting all kind
>of workshops. There work was done only for the German officers and
>guards. Coats, dresses, furs were sewn there for them, their wives and
>mistresses. Very few Jews were sent to the forest to shop
>Once the Jews of such a group attacked their guards, killed them and
>escaped. The Germans took revenge on other Jews. But all considered the
>heroism of the escaped as a miracle and dreamt of doing the same.
Giving the number of escapes from A-B and every camp this is old news.
> THE REBELLION COMMITTEE
>Sasha Pizurski who was brought to the camp with a group of prisoners of
>the Russian army immediately formed a committee to prepare a revolt. To
>this committee belonged also the heroes Leibl Feldhendler, Shaul
>Felischmann and others who strongly detested the Germans and had decided
>revenge.
Excuse me. It took people who detested to Germans to arrive to organize this
and yet the people there knew of 95%+ being gassed by them?
>In the barracks weapons were started to appear: axes and knives. How
>dangerous this was! How much courage, cunning, patience you had to use
>in order to conceal this. Many efforst of the spirit and mind, will and
>courage had to be used to take guns, rifles, bullets from the
>storehouses. The participants of this operation were divided into
>groups. The plan was worked out to the smallest details: Every group
>and its duties – really imaginative tasks: Some had to assault the
>guardtowers where the guards sat with machineguns; some had to tempt
>the officers into coming into the workshops; others had to attack the
>guards that were wandering about. Special men had to cut off the
>telephone and electricity lines and tear down the barbed wires – to make
>passage ways.
But gassing most of the arrivals was not enough.
> THE MALIGNENT BLOOD OF THE SS-MEN IS SHED
>The revolt was fixed for October 14, 1943. 700 condemned to death
>enthusiastically took their fate into their own hands. Until the
>prearranged sign was given every group had performed its tasks well.
>Nevertheless things which had not been expected in advance happened.
>Guns started firing from both sides, axes and knives greedy for blood
>shone in the air and the whole camp changed into a battlefield. On this
>day, October 14, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon there began on the
>hellground of Sobibor the shedding of the malignent blood of the SS-men
>and their Ukrainian assistants. Those who had been so sure of themselves
>when millions of innocent women and children were led to death, seemed
>now anxious and inferior, they became confused and ran like mice into
>the trap looking for a hiding place.
Sobibor gasse millions. How can the world have missed this.
>The SS-men and the police pursued the escapers. They mobilized airplanes
>and the Polish farmers of the area to help them pursue the fleeing Jews.
>Only a few pitied the victims and did not hand them over to the Germans.
>Out of 700 escaping from Sobibor only about 30 survived. Also Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann and two of her friends, one of them a Polish woman called
>Alina Stern-Sofermann, who is living in Israel succeeded, with help of
>some young Poles, in arriving to the partisans in the woods of Parzew
>and continued their war against the German army. But until they reached
>the forest they wandered around day and night around the camp, living
>of
>intestines that they wished to die.
They did not live off of them.
>They lowered their eyes and one of them was turning his head from side
>to side replied: “No, we did not easily agree to accept such a mission.
>It was forced upon us officially”. And the second added: “Its a good
>thing that you did not agree to come to Germany,,,, so we were enabled
>to come to Israel, a wonderful journey.” One of the present in the hall
>heard this conversation said: “The blood of the Jews shed by the Germans
>flowed like a river. Don’t you think that by defending the murderers you
>emphasize the responsibility of the German people of what took place.”
>The two defenders ignoring the question avoided answering and the
>question remained unanswered.
Most likely they would have been shot for doing so. That is the way the
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On 25 Sep 1996 13:04:37 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>
>> I wonder if the ten hour ventilation time has anything to do with the
>> long promised Degesh pub not showing up before.
>
>> Source: Zyklon for Pest Control, Degesch Publication
>> persons from entering. Time of exposure depends on the type of pests to
>> be attacked; for the
>> destruction of the various types of moths and their pre-adult stages 24
>> hours will suffice, against
>> other kinds of insect pests one should fumigate for 48 hours. If there
>> are any dense stowages or
>> bulkss of commodities to penetrate, the time of exposure may need to be
>> extended to 72 hours.
> Sounds like the perfect material to kill flies in an environment where
>people work. Giwer has claimed that is the use to which ZB was put. Anybody
>with the least bit of knowledge knows that to prevent maggots you must
>disinfect twice a day. Since each disinfection would take 48-72 hours that
>would mean . . . . . . .
> Tell us, Matty poo, how many hours are in a day?
Not enough to cremate the imaginary number of bodies. We all know that.
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Acceptance makes truth
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On 25 Sep 1996 22:00:26 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:
>[email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>> You keep threatening law suits, Matty poo. Someday you might be
>>drunk enough to actually do something. Remember that the judge will be very
>>unhappy when he catches you lying.
> Assuming Matt doesn’t recieve contempt of court for insulting the
>judge…
You are a very gullible little freak are you not.
It is not the business of a judge to catch anyone in lying else he would doing
the job of the attorneys. But you still believe YFE is an attorney.
Perhaps he is but then he is a statement on the state of the legal system in
Pennsylvania.
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 21:15:04 PDT 1996
Article: 69164 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Israel murdered again
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 11:05:52 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
># [email protected] (william c anderson) wrote:
>## But Matt–I thought Israelis didn’t speak Hebrew…
># I said about 1 in a 100 speak it. Now you are talking about
># reading it.
>So, you’re claiming they speak English in Israel, and all the
>major newspapers are written in Hebrew…
>Great God. Have mercy on us all.
I am claiming that Alec Grynspan speaks fluent Hebrew as does Netanyahu and
Richard Schultz. In fact all of Schutz’s classes are conducted in Hebrew while
everyone wears a beanie.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 00:54:58 PDT 1996
Article: 69167 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 1 Question for Milton, Ken, Andrew, Joel, Les, Rich, George, Ron, and other WPNG Regulars.
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On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:07:23 GMT, [email protected] (Andrew Mathis) wrote:
>[email protected] (Ursus Major) wrote:
>>[email protected] (Daniel Swan) wrote:
>>*Andrew Mathis ([email protected]) wrote:
>>*
>>*: Strong military w/expansionism (see Ethiopia), a desire toward
>>*: homogeneity in language and culture, dictatorial rule with a
>>*: personality cult, anti-democratic rule by decree.
>>*
>>*Thank you, Mr. Mathis, for an answer much along the lines I was
>>*seeking. Does anyone have anything else to add to this?
>>*
>>*Can Fascism sans Racism make for a viable and stable government?
>>*
>>*–
>>Randy Andy’s pronuciemento hardly describes Franco’s regime, which
>>most would call “fascist.” No military adventurism (which is more
>>along the lines of “imperialist” than fascist).
>Except for continuous hegemony over Portugal and the Basques…
>>The cult of a Leader
>>is really the _sine qua non_ of fascism–following the dictum of
>>Thomas Carlyle: “Find the most qualified man, and make him _king_!”
>>What a great deal of autonomy (incl. democratic methods) can exist at
>>the regional level, in a fascist state at the >national< level the
>>ultimate arbiter is the Leader. (In the US, it’s nine black-robed
>>shamans.)
>Don’t forget that two of them are JOOOOOOS!
How could anyone forget JOOOOS. If you get close to forgetting a Babs Streisand
type will stick her nose in your face.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 00:54:59 PDT 1996
Article: 69168 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Israeli attack on the Liberty was cold blooded murder.
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:03:47 GMT
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:48:53 -0400, A Gryn
>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>>
>> If you promote the obvious lies of Israel then you are a traitor to the US.
>>
>> Is that clear enough for you?
>But every time you’re challenged about the lies you bring up nothing but
>BS, Matt.
>If anything, the biggest problem about Israel and the USS Liberty was
>that they stopped as soon as it turned out that the Liberty was a US spy
>ship. They should have simply sunk the Liberty, with all hands. Then
>there wouldn’t be anybody to lie about the incident and claim to have
>been there.
Excuse me. You also are calling the israeli story a lie. They said nothing
about it being a spy ship. It is good to see you are at least honest enough to
admit Israel lied about the incident.
In fact your admission supports everything I have said and in particular that it
was deliberate murder.
>Oh, yes – I’m not a traitor, Matt.
As you have dual citizenship with Canada and Israel, you have nothing to do with
the US.
And it is good to learn from your fellow holohuggers that you speak fluent
Hebrew. You never mentioned that talent.
A Gryn
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 00:55:00 PDT 1996
Article: 69171 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Holocaust/UFO Analogy
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 19:18:15 GMT
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On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:15:53 -0800, [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (tom
>moran) wrote:
>> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>
>> > [email protected] “tom moran” writes:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> The Holocaust story is one that is mostly supported by
>> >> “eyewitness” accounts of what they saw.
>> >>
>> >> UFO stories are largely based on “eyewitness” accounts of what
>> >> they saw.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >Why aren’t people who question UFOs branded anti-Semitic?
>>
>> Damn interesting question.
>You find Elvis yet, Moran?
Gassing is still all testimony without physical evidence. Nice try at a
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 00:55:00 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Priests Murdered in Dachau
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On 25 Sep 1996 23:50:25 -0400, [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power)
wrote:
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>> Make the average age 40 (if a random sample between ordination and life
>>expectency) and take it over seven years then there is about 20% deaths from
>>simple old age.
>Matt, will you never cease to come up with new subjects on which to
>post complete nonsensical bullshit? About 6% of any population can expect
>to die in their forties. If the average age was 40 on entrance to a camp,
>and *all* entered the camp 7 years before liberation (your strange
>assumption, not mine), one could expect about 4% to have died of more or
>less natural causes. (I’m not basing this on Polish prewar statistics,
>which would be ideal, but on another population sample. You’re welcome
>to post Polish actuarial tables from the 1930s if you have them. But since
>this is probably not available from your favorite Nazi-wannabe web
>sites, I doubt you’ll trouble yourself to get off your ass for a little
>education.)
But you know that KEREN claimed the deaths had to be murder without posting such
information. You should realize that makes Keren the PhD CS type the primary
fool on this subject. You should be addressing your points to him.
>What is this thrill you get out of showing what an idiot you are, Matt?
>Do you think that being a polymath idiot is better than being an idiot
>in just one or two subjects?
Yes, you are as ignorant as Keren. At least two holohuggers have so far agreed
that Keren is an idiot on the subject. You obviously are an idiot also.
Now where are all the rabbis?
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 00:55:01 PDT 1996
Article: 69181 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: Where are the Mass Graves
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On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:55:12 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:
>
> There are many allusions by the Holocaust dependents that tens of
>thousands, hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of Jews were
>slaughtered and dumped into massive excavations, burnt and buried,
>buried unburnt and/or, buried, dug up, burnt and then reburied.
Only dug up and burnt so that their bodies would not be complete as an ultimate
religious evil by the satanic nazis.
It is amazing what superstitious jewish beliefs pass for reality in this world
(appended my demonic laughter here.)
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 00:55:02 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Israel murdered again
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On 25 Sep 1996 20:21:42 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:
>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>: On 23 Sep 1996 05:05:46 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
>: wrote:
>: >But Matt–I thought Israelis didn’t speak Hebrew…
>:
>: I said about 1 in a 100 speak it.
>Actually, you said it was a dead language.
I said it was dead 2000 years ago. I did not address the fanatical zionists
reviving it as a matter of religious inclination about 100 years ago. It is
still not more than a matter of religious fanaticism.
No one knowing anything about linguistics can pretend that it is anything other
than a faked form of the language. The words are fit into a modern language
structure. Hebrew is a language that uses the term “tail like the cedars of
Lebanon” to refer to the penis of a water buffalo. That is Hebrew.
Hebrew is an eastern poetic and allegoric language. If in Hebrew you do not
express a miracle to emphasize an important event you are not speaking Hebrew.
If you use the language analytically you are simply imposing code words on top
of a linguistic contruct totally alien to it.
>: Now you are talking about reading it. Want to go for idiot of year?
>Ah, I see. They don’t speak it, but they publish all their newspapers
>in it.
I have never denied there is a market for a one in a hundred reader newspaper.
That is about the market for major foreign language publications in this
country.
Now the point holohuggers have to establish is that hebrew is the OFFICIAL
language of Israel to the point where government business and all related is
conducted. People like Grynspan and Schulz need to declare not only their
spoken fluency in hebrew that they did/do use it in the normal course of daily
life in Israel.
Not that that will ever happen but they will pretend to claim it while not
actually saying it in a legal sense.
It is going to be quite interesting to ask how chemistry is taught in an
allegorical language.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 00:55:03 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 24 Sep 1996 15:31:26 GMT, [email protected] (Richard Schultz) wrote:
>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>: On 21 Sep 1996 21:52:53 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:
>:: Giwer’s response has been to claim that the Zimmermann telegram is a
>:: well-known hoax and has been known to be so since 1925. I have challenged
>:: him to provide evidence of this.)
>: I no longer have copies of my grade school history books. How did you
>: miss it? Go to a public school?
>So why won’t you tell us the name of the elite private grade school that
>you attended? From that information, it should be possible to determine
>out of what history books you were taught, and what they have to say about
>the Zimmerman telegram. I will happily confess that I went to a public
>school, and we were definitely *not* taught that the Zimmerman telegram
>was a forgery (although we *were* taught that it was a factor in the US
>decision to enter WW I).
That would make it too easy for you. But you are making the kind of foolish
assumption I expect.
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: Gustav Wagner (Sobibor)
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Hey folks, save this one. It is another one sworn to by NIZKOR itself. Do not
miss this one.
On 24 Sep 1996 07:24:54 -0700, [email protected] (Nizkor Canada)
wrote:
>Archive/File: camps/aktion.reinhard/sobibor/staff/wagner.gustav
>Last-modified: 1993/04/18
>”Oberschafuhrer Gustav Wagner
Note that his name if WAGNER.
>”The man who actually supervised the routine and daily life at Sobibor was
>Gustav Wagner. He was the quartermaster-sergeant of the camp. Moshe Bahir
>described him:
> “He was a handsome man, tall and blonde — a pure Aryan.
There is no such thing as Aryan but Moses recognizes it immediately even though
blond adults were a rarity.
In civilian
> life he was, no doubt, a well-mannered man; at Sobibor he was a wild
> beast. His lust to kill knew no bounds.
The SEX connection, a LUST to kill. Real LUST here. Give him lust and nothing
but.
I saw such terrible scenes
> that they give me nightmares to this day. He would snatch babies from
> their mothers’ arms and tear them to pieces in his hands.
Who is this guy, really? Sampson? Tearing babies to pieces with his bare
hands?
Think about it a minute. Tearing babies apart. Has anyone ever tried tearing
apart and uncooked chicken without a knife? How about a rabbit? You have not
tried it?
Fine, go buy a whole chicken, much smaller than a human baby and tear it apart
with your bare hands.
…
Now that you are exhausted to no success in this tearing apart a many days dead
carcass, what do you think of this claim? You still believe it? You have to be
jewish.
I saw him
> beat two men to death with a rifle, because they did not carry out his
> instructions properly, since they did not understand German. I
> remember that one night a group of youths aged fifteen or sixteen
> arrived in the camp. The head of this group was one Abraham. After a
> long and arduous work day, this young man collapsed on his pallet and
> fell asleep. Suddenly Wagner came into our barrack, and Abraham did
> not hear him call to stand up at once before him. Furious, he pulled
> Abraham naked off his bed and began to beat him all over his body.
> When Wagner grew weary of the blows, he took out his revolver and
> killed him on the spot. This atrocious spectacle was carried out
> before all of us, including Abraham’s younger brother. <1>
Is this not a wonderful description. First he beats people to death with a
rifle (quite a difficult proposition but simple to those who believe he could
tear infants apart with his bare hands) and then he beats a man with his bear
hands. And fhen finally he pulls out a non-regulation revolver and shoots him.
Not a Lugar, not a Vis, but a revolver. And noting that earlier he beat a man
to death with a rifle instead of simply shooting him with the rifle.
Ah well, those wild and crazy guys were at it again.
>”Wagner’s ruthless behavior toward the Jews is mentioned in some other
>testimonies of Sobibor survivors. Ada Lichtman writes that on the fast day
>of Yom Kippur, Wagner appeared at the roll call, took out some prisoners,
>gave them bread and ordered them to eat. As the prisoners ate the bread, he
>laughed loudly; he enjoyed his joke because he knew the Jews he had forced
>to eat were pious. <2>
He forced them to violate their religion and laughed. Does not every
manifestation of pure demonic evil laugh? Real evil is people like the murderer
of Paula Klass. Real evil is people like Dahlmer. Real evil does not laugh.
But melodramtic, poor fiction evil always laughs.
Is there any difference in principle from this “laughing” and Count Dracula, aka
Bela Legosi laughing? Why is it that evil only laughs in stories and not in
real life?
>”Gustav Wagner escaped after the war to Brazil, where he lived openly. The
>Brazilian Supreme Court refused to extradite him. In October 1980 his
>attorney announced that Wagner had committed suicide.”
Ah, yes, and Count Dracula escaped to England where he was later reported dead
to Van Helsing but lived again in the sequals.
><1> Publication of the Museum of the Combatants and Partisans, Tel Aviv,
> April, 1973, p.37
><2> Ada Lichtman. Yad Vashem Archives, L-11/5, testimony of Ada Lichtman
> pp. 36-37
>Excerpted from….———————————————-
>BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA – the Operation Reinhard Death Camps
>Indiana University Press – Yitzhak Arad, 1987. ISBN 0-253-3429-7
Ah, yes, the collection of melodramatic fairy tales that impresses immature
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Subject: Re: Where is our german linguist?
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On 24 Sep 1996 06:05:43 GMT, [email protected] (Richard Schultz) wrote:
>Capt. Peter Peachfuzz ([email protected]) wrote:
>: And, as you such a student of the German language, you know, as in
>: Leichenkellar, the compounding of two words does not necessarily have any
>: relationship to the two words taken separately.
>And perhaps you, as such a student of the German language, would care
>to tell us something of the etymology of the word “Nizkor,” which you
>have claimed is of German origin?
>—–
>Richard Schultz [email protected]
>Department of Chemistry tel: 972-3-531-8065
>Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
>—–
>”It is terrible to die of thirst in the ocean. Do you have to salt your
>truth so heavily that it does not even quench thirst any more?”
On 3 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA) wrote:
>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.016
>Last-modified: 1993/03/22
> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])
> [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]
> THE TRIAL OF THE EXECUTIONER OF SOBIBOR
> Shimon Kanz
>A jury of judges, prosecutors and defendors
>Germany and headed by the Israeli judge Dr. Beniski, heard testimony for
>3 days at the court of Tel Aviv. The testimony was given by Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann who survived after the revolt and who had refused to go to
>Germany in order to testify at the trial of the executioners of Sobibor.
>Her testimony led to a loud and stubborn victory of the persecution
>
>the hell she had experienced the more appeased the noise of the
>prosecutors and their questions and comments stopped and they lowered
>their heads.
>In the eyes of the Jewish judge, who himself had tasted the camps of
>Hitler, stood tears and his voice hardly found its way through throat.
Obviously not impartial but then this is Israel.
> SPECTACLES OF CRUELTY
>”Don’t ask me for exact dates”, said Mrs. Lichtmann to the provocating
>and torturing questions of the lawyers. “At that time no calender
>existed but on the other hand I remember the events of those days which
>I am describing because they will remain deeply rooted in my memory
>throughout my life.”
It appears that unlike the war crimes trials, the defense was permitted a
meaningful crossexamination.
>The awful depressed the mood and atmosphere of the courtroom. Horrow
>accompanied the route from Krakow from where the Germans had openly
>exiled her, through Miliz, Dubinki, Charaschow, and other places on the
>bloody road to Sobibor. Physical and mental pains, blows and
>humiliations. Her husband Mark Weismann was killed with stones during
>the work in the camp Postak.
“Stone him. Stone him.”
“Jehovah! Jehovah!”
Stoned? Who biblical. But maybe he really just inhaled.
>The strikes and blows of the SS-men and Ukrainians while passing the
>”Spalier” (their lines) before the entrance of the concentration points.
>Already at the beginning of her simple words the lips whispered
>automatically: “Is this possible?” From where did this woman with her
>delicate face and blue eyes, take the strength to endure these tortures?
>From where did she have the strength to tell again of her suffering?
She was a prostitute, professional witness and avoiding prosecution for her
treatment of women in the camps as were so many of the witnesses.
> DEVILISH LAUGHTER DEAFENS THE SCREAMING OF THE DYING
Devilish laughter. Melodrama testified to in court. The evil always laugh as
devilishly as they can. Ming the Merciless did it too.
Is any adult to take this seriously? Of course not. Only holohuggers believe
this sort of crap.
>She recalls events of Jews struck and shot on Dobinko. In Dobinko the
>Jews were loaded on wagon trains that went to Charabishow.
>Planes flew over the train shooting with machine guns into the wagons.
>They lowered the planes so that we could see the faces of pilots.
And the pilots were also shooting at the drivers and the engine/horses of these
wagons, depending upon translation.
And
>when they stopped the shooting for a while we heard them laughing. The
>devilish laughter deafened the screaming of those laughing.
Devilish laughter heard from pilots in the air over the noise of the engine.
Real true holohugger fantasy life here. And they could see the faces of pilots
>from inside closed wagons. This woman certainly has to be paid for this
performance.
>On the way somewhere near to Dubinko, they were taken out of the wagons
>and the men and women were forced to strip off their clothes and to
>begin dancing. The voice of Mrs. Lichtmann breaks off.
Ah, yes, dancing. Dancing to the devil’s tune no doubt. Very efficient these
Nazis.
>Her face reflects her feeling of tortures and inability to tell all. Her
>words shiver and only an echoe
>had become from day to day more terrible.
A true whacko so far.
>They were kept on the ground only one day. It was fenced in with barbed
>wire and again they were loaded on the wagons, like cattle from the
>slaughter and brought to Sobibor. Usually the journey from Charobichow
>took several hours. But then it extended to eternity and no one,
>neither Mrs. Lichtmann nor someone else from the survivors, remembers
>how long they travelled in the closed wagons.
So who could remember how long they traveled in closed wagons when they could
remember the faces of the pilots from the closed wagons? This person is truly
psychotic.
>Nevertheless, the journey lasted for a few days and the German soldiers
>were amused by their victims. There on the station before Sobibor the
>Ukrainians broke into the wagons and plundered jewelry and those who did
>not succeed to take of the ring of their finger in time, had the ring
>taken off together with the finger… “You don’t need either the finger
>nor the ring any more” the wild Ukrainians consoled their victims! “Soon
>you will be broiled and soap will be made from you, dist”.
Certainly fingers were just pulled off.
Tell me the truth. This was written by Stephen King, right?
>The Polish farmers also waited in front of the entrance to Sobibor and
>shouted at the Jews in the transports. “Throw us your money, anyway it
>will not redeem you from death, you are going to the gas chamber.”
But it was a secret and the farmers could not know about it.
But here it is not a secret and they do know about it.
It is also an interesting speech. Maybe it translates to a chant.
You will note below that no one understood what was being said in the same
testimony.
> THE SPEECH TO THE TRANSPORTS
>The shouts of the Poles penetrated into the conscience of those weakened
>from hunger and thrust
>screaming and yelling thus deafening the camp.
>The SS-man Michel who was called by the camp inhabitants “the speaker”
>as he received the arrivals with a prepared speech, did not have what
>
>gunshots. The Polish farmers also shouted at the Jews from Holland,
>Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Greece – but those did
>not understand the meaning of their shouts.
They did not understand the shouts. Then where did the translation of the chant
above come from? This witness?
>At their arrival to the camp they were welcomed with a speech by Michel:
>”You have to be disciplined. Strip off your clothes, make a nice bundle
>of them and attach them to the luggage, in order to recognize them
>immediately after the shower, because you will not receive other
>clothes here.”
Right, bundles of clothes. Every found a bundle of clothes. No one has.
>Among the transport of 7,000 men with whom Ada Lichtmann arrived in the
>year 1942 and who went on the same day to the gas chamber only three
>women survived chosen to work in the laundry. With an indication of his
>finger the SS-commander took her out of the line and asked her for
>profession. When she answered that she was a teacher he and his
>assistants broke out in laughter: “We will teach you to be a
>laundress… Choose two other girls.” Her closest friends Bela Sobol and
>Sarka Katz were already beyond the gate on the way to the crematorium,
>but she managed to get them out of the line.
In other words, like the soap threat earlier, she has no knowledge of what
happened after that point. The gassing all her fantasy.
>The Jews believed the Germans and in astonishing order they packed their
>belongings and after an hour not even one was alive, only a few
>craftsmen were allowed to survive.
But she has no way of knowing.
> SHOUTS GOING UP TO THE SKY IN THE NIGHT
>We three organized the laundry in the camp. Until then the German
>officers too were dirty and lice-infected. In the course of time the
>laundry was enlarged and women from other transports arriving daily were
>distributed to us. The judges realized how Mrs. Lichtmann hesitates in
>her narration and talk to her kindly: “Talk, remember as much as you
>can”.
They organized a non-existant laudry and then that non-existant laundry was
expanded.
Note here that the judge leads the witness. A typical war crimes tactic.
>The tension in the hall extended also to the memory of the woman. She
>feels the good eyes of Dr. Beinski on her and of the stenotypist, a
>Lieutenant in the police Mrs. Hela Koslowski who stops her tears while
>writing every word going out of her mouth.
>The Germans do not want to hear about what she knows to tell but what
>she has seen with her own eyes.
Who is it that does not want hearsay?
But how can she not tell about the
>shouts of women who arrived with the night transports.
That is a question and she can not tell because she did not witness it. What in
the hell does the author think witness means?
The heartbreaking
>shouts and screaming ceased for a moment and then once again beginning
>penetrating the limbs and soul. The SS-men boasted the next day that
>they raped the most beautiful women in front of the whole transport.
But she was not raped. Must have been real ugly.
>Generally the transports arrived during the day. Once on a hot summerday
>a transport arrived with thursty
>days since they had tasted a drop of water. The SS-officer allowed some
>to go and fetch water, but there the “Unterscharfu”hrer” Michel was
>already waiting for them and he made them run to a dug uphole which
>served as a privy and forced them to smear their body and face with the
>excrement. And thus he brought them back to the thursty
>the transport. From another transport young men were forced to beat each
>other to death. The last one remaining from this terrible battle was
>shot by the Germans.
And all of this from what she did not witness. Quite amazing that this is
level of testimony that was introduced in capital trials. Even more interesting
that crossexamination was not permitted.
> HEROIC DEEDS IN SOBIBOR
>The stories of Mrs. Lichtmann and her husband whom she met in Sobibor
>after the revolt are horrifying.
>They tell how the semi-alive victims tried to maintain to the last
>moment not only their human faces but also their human soulds. They tell
>about women who tried to save their children and were desparately driven
>to perform heroic deeds: About young mothers who attempted with their
>own bodies to cover and to defend their children. They tell about the
>Jewish officer of the Spanish civil war who immediately after his
>arrival tried organizing a revolt. The Germans found out about it and
>they chose 72 men and sent them to the crematorium. This massacre was
>supervised by the “Oberscharfu”hrer” Frenzel whose trial is taking place
>at the present inferment. Returning from the scene of the murder he
>ordered the quick erection of a temporary stage out of some planks,
>called for the orchestra, gathered the women and told them to sing and
>dance.
Thank you, Steven Speilberg. Jewrassic Pork lives.
>This Frenzel once caught a boy red-handed, eating sardines, he gathered
>all the Jews from the barracks and in front of all he shot the child.
Eating sardines. Are they not Kosher?
>Sobibor did not become at once a concentration of plants and workshops.
>The camp gradually expanded, developed slowly, erecting all kind
>of workshops. There work was done only for the German officers and
>guards. Coats, dresses, furs were sewn there for them, their wives and
>mistresses. Very few Jews were sent to the forest to shop
>Once the Jews of such a group attacked their guards, killed them and
>escaped. The Germans took revenge on other Jews. But all considered the
>heroism of the escaped as a miracle and dreamt of doing the same.
Giving the number of escapes from A-B and every camp this is old news.
> THE REBELLION COMMITTEE
>Sasha Pizurski who was brought to the camp with a group of prisoners of
>the Russian army immediately formed a committee to prepare a revolt. To
>this committee belonged also the heroes Leibl Feldhendler, Shaul
>Felischmann and others who strongly detested the Germans and had decided
>revenge.
Excuse me. It took people who detested to Germans to arrive to organize this
and yet the people there knew of 95%+ being gassed by them?
>In the barracks weapons were started to appear: axes and knives. How
>dangerous this was! How much courage, cunning, patience you had to use
>in order to conceal this. Many efforst of the spirit and mind, will and
>courage had to be used to take guns, rifles, bullets from the
>storehouses. The participants of this operation were divided into
>groups. The plan was worked out to the smallest details: Every group
>and its duties – really imaginative tasks: Some had to assault the
>guardtowers where the guards sat with machineguns; some had to tempt
>the officers into coming into the workshops; others had to attack the
>guards that were wandering about. Special men had to cut off the
>telephone and electricity lines and tear down the barbed wires – to make
>passage ways.
But gassing most of the arrivals was not enough.
> THE MALIGNENT BLOOD OF THE SS-MEN IS SHED
>The revolt was fixed for October 14, 1943. 700 condemned to death
>enthusiastically took their fate into their own hands. Until the
>prearranged sign was given every group had performed its tasks well.
>Nevertheless things which had not been expected in advance happened.
>Guns started firing from both sides, axes and knives greedy for blood
>shone in the air and the whole camp changed into a battlefield. On this
>day, October 14, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon there began on the
>hellground of Sobibor the shedding of the malignent blood of the SS-men
>and their Ukrainian assistants. Those who had been so sure of themselves
>when millions of innocent women and children were led to death, seemed
>now anxious and inferior, they became confused and ran like mice into
>the trap looking for a hiding place.
Sobibor gasse millions. How can the world have missed this.
>The SS-men and the police pursued the escapers. They mobilized airplanes
>and the Polish farmers of the area to help them pursue the fleeing Jews.
>Only a few pitied the victims and did not hand them over to the Germans.
>Out of 700 escaping from Sobibor only about 30 survived. Also Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann and two of her friends, one of them a Polish woman called
>Alina Stern-Sofermann, who is living in Israel succeeded, with help of
>some young Poles, in arriving to the partisans in the woods of Parzew
>and continued their war against the German army. But until they reached
>the forest they wandered around day and night around the camp, living
>of
>intestines that they wished to die.
They did not live off of them.
>They lowered their eyes and one of them was turning his head from side
>to side replied: “No, we did not easily agree to accept such a mission.
>It was forced upon us officially”. And the second added: “Its a good
>thing that you did not agree to come to Germany,,,, so we were enabled
>to come to Israel, a wonderful journey.” One of the present in the hall
>heard this conversation said: “The blood of the Jews shed by the Germans
>flowed like a river. Don’t you think that by defending the murderers you
>emphasize the responsibility of the German people of what took place.”
>The two defenders ignoring the question avoided answering and the
>question remained unanswered.
Most likely they would have been shot for doing so. That is the way the
holocaust works.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 00:55:05 PDT 1996
Article: 69223 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Get your FREE copy today!
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On 25 Sep 1996 20:24:25 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:
>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>: On 22 Sep 1996 19:53:26 GMT, [email protected] (Milton Kleim) wrote:
>: >William L. Pierce, Ph.D., the author, thinks you’re supposed to PAY for
>: >his hateful book. Someone has seen to it you don’t have to.
>:
>: >Normally $12, available to you free of charge at:
>: Thank you.
>:
>: It has been reported.
>So now you’re netcopping for the National Alliance, Matt?
>Gee–first you make pudding out of your claim that you aren’t an
>antisemite, and now it looks like you’re gonna do the same for
>your claim that you’re not a nazi. This should be fun.
I report simple theft of intellectual property that is in violation of US and
international law regarding protection of intellectual property.
Do you have a problem with that? If so, why?
Or do you hold that it is moral to harm a person for a personal just cause? And
does that mean you are jewish?
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 08:58:18 PDT 1996
Article: 69237 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Tank Girl, the holocaust sequal
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You should see this, folks.
The evil one laughs demonically.
The evil one has short, blond hair. (Aryan, perhaps?)
Poor tank girl is sexually abused.
She is forced to work under inhuman conditions.
There is nothing in this comic book fantasy movie different from the stories of
the evil Nazis.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 08:58:19 PDT 1996
Article: 69239 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 22:47:27 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>[email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
># Don’t forget that in 1616 Sylvie de la Plaine testified that
># the Devil’s semen is cold.
>You don’t say. BTW, don’t forget the lunatics who make all
>kinds of claims about “British paratroopers” being “killed
>in their sleep (!!)” in Palestine.
># And that two million Americans believe they have been abducted
># by aliens.
>And quite a few Brits still believe in this trash about the
>King David Hotel being “blown up”… There are sure strange
>people in this world.
You mean that Jew terrorists did not plant a bomb there and kill Brits for no
reason other than terroism? How Palestinian of them. But then jews have always
been murderers just as they are right now as they incite religious passions for
simple monetary gains in tourism.
Any tourist in Israel at any time in the future is rewarding the deliberate
murder of Palestinians and the deliberate destruction of the peace process in
Israel.
Money before peace as the mayor of Jerusalem said.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 08:58:20 PDT 1996
Article: 69245 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Where are the Mass Graves
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:37:09 GMT
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On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:08:14 -0400, [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:
>[email protected] (tom moran) wrote:
>[a bunch of theorizing]
>> So where are the mass graves, exactly? Just one or two of them?
>> No one seems to know,
>(sigh)
>We know exactly where the ashes are buried: in Auschwitz, in Treblinka,
>in Belzec, in Sobibor, in Majdanek, in Chelmno. Andrew Allen, a frequent
>”revisionist” poster to this forum, has confirmed that core samples taken
>at Treblinka found ashes and human remains to a depth of seven meters,
>for example.
>I’m sorry to break it to you, but just because nobody has done your current
>favorite form of analysis of the sites does not mean the Holocaust never
>happened.
Sorry to break it to you but there is absolutely no physical evidence that what
you “know” is true. We all know there is no physical evidence of these insane
jewish claims of mass extermination despite 50 years of attempts to find
physical evidence supporting the insane jewish claims.
Get over it. There is no evidence for these insane jewish claims.
There was never any expectation of such claims. The wildly superstitious
European Jews never intended to speak factually. It was their intention to tell
exaggerated stories.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 08:58:21 PDT 1996
Article: 69253 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: holohuggers are thieves
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In case anyone missed it, the violation of my copyright by Nizkor proves that
holohuggers are thieves.
They are not fit for civilized society.
CC: israel-mfa (again) proving Israel supports copyright violation in listing
Nizkor.
Jews are clearly thieves by their actions.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 08:58:22 PDT 1996
Article: 69254 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Holohuggers might like to steal this one without permission as jew criminals – menor2.jpg (1/1)
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