Giwer Matt, 5-1996 – p4

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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 07:44:28 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(william c anderson) wrote:

>> Allan Matthews ([email protected]) wrote:
>> : In article , [email protected]
>(Bryan Cowan) wrote:
>> : >In article ,
>> : >[email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:
>> :
>> : >> > > 19. monotheism
>> : >Jews (gasp!) 😉
>> :
>> : No, it was the Egyptians (King Tut’s dad)
>>
>>
>> Ahknaten, the originators of Zoroastrianism, and the Jews came up
>> with monotheism independently, and more or less comtemporaneously.
>> The Egyptians, however, abandoned it almost at once.
>>
>> Bill

>Sorry folks, Bill’s correct.
>
>Freud wrote an amusing book called “Moses and Monotheism” in which he
>postulated that the jews living in Egypt “taught” Ahkenaten monotheism.
>
>He was only off by a couple of hundred years or so. And he was incorrect.

He was a thousand years off and 400 miles away. There is no reason to believe
that the Hebrews were even in Egypt or that there was ever a Moses and all the
evidence is to the contrary, not to mention that the Hebrews were polytheists at
least until 600 BC and to by some evidence hundreds of years afterwards.

Other than that, Freud was “close.”

>There is an entire school of thought that states that Ahkenaten was NOT,
>in fact, a monotheist, since he went to such great lengths to persecute
>the priests of Amum and other gods. The theory is that he believed that
>Aten was better and stronger than the other gods. Therefore, not a
>monotheist at all, a polythiest who likes HIS god better than the others.
>
>Sorry for the off-topic post. In college, I wrote a paper about this
>subject entitled “Why Freud Was Wrong.” 🙂

You missed the obvious reason, that the Hebrews were never in Egypt and were not
monotheists.

Other than that, you were close.

From [email protected] Wed Sep 18 12:05:34 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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The holohuggers are getting rather desparate here.

For months they have tried to distract the discussion from the complete and
total lack of any physical evidence of gassing during the holocaust. They do
not want it discussed that not one bit of physical evidence of gassing was
presented at Nuremberg.

They do not want it well known that every bit of the gassing is based upon the
same eyewitnesses who swore to mass executions by steam, electrocution and
suffocation.

Their problem is if they admit there is not and has never been any physical
evidence presented then they have to deal with all the evidence being from
witnesses who swore under oath to all kinds of impossible things, such as
burning people without fuel, infecting them people with cancer, being gassed six
times and living to tell about it and the like.

Their “best” gambit so far has been to pretend that there is no physical
evidence of the firebombing of Dresden. In doing so they claim that all the
documentation of the planning, the inventory records, personnel assignments,
bomb camera films, damage assessment films and hundreds of other things are not
physical evidence. The physical evidence of Dresden is so complete that it
could be reconstructed without one bit of testimony.

Rather they would pretend that everything that is known about Dresden depends
upon eyewitness accounts. Of course, only holohugger is dumb enough to believe
such a thing. Everyone else knows better, even they know better.

But when the purpose is to preserve holocaust belief, those who promote is are
willing to lie and to attempt to mislead anyone who points out the truth. It is
not surprising that so many of the holohuggers are stereotyped as liars and
deceivers.

It also clear that those who depend upon eyewitnesses only put their holocaust
in the same category as UFO abductions and witchcraft. Neither have any
physical evidence, both depend upon eye witness reports only, just like the
holocaust.

But even worse than witnesses at Nuremberg swearing to impossible things, we
find that only a few of these witnesses ever appeared in court. Nor was there
testimony introduced as sworn affidavits. They were generally simple typed
documents in some language, with or without a translation, and they were
accepted by the court and the defense was not permitted to object.

Thus we have so much court accepted “evidence” of the impossible.

But above all, there is no physical evidence of gassing and none was introduced
at Nuremberg. This is the clear fact that holohuggers want to hide at all
costs. Pointing out the lack clearly puts UFO abductions and witchcraft in the
same category as their favorite gassing.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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The Party Platform of the National Socialist German
Workers Party

( []s contain the comments of the author of this article.)

—–

Hamburg Order Police and 1933 Deutschland Erwache

The Twenty-Five Points Of The National Socialist German
Workers’ Party, 1920

The program of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party is
limited as to period. The leaders have no intention, once the
aims announced in it have been achieved, of setting up fresh
ones, merely in order to increase the discontent of the masses
artificially, and so ensure the continued existence of the Party.

[Would that all political parties had such an objective.]

1) We demand the union of all Germans to form a Greater Germany
on the basis of the right of self-determination enjoyed by
nations.

[The return of the parts of Germany given to other countries
such as Poland. Note that it was in defense of that give away
the England declared war on Germany.]

2) We demand equality of rights for the German people in its
dealings with other nations, and abolition of the peace treaties
of Versailles and Saint-Germain.

[This is a just objective regardless of the means of
abolition.]

3) We demand land and territory (colonies) for the nourishment of
our people and for settling our excess population.

[The major powers had colonies. Germany had African
colonies prior to the war. It was the norm at the time.]

4) None but members of the nation may be citizens of the state.
None but those of German blood, whatever their creed, may be
members of the nation. No Jew, therefore, may be a member of the
nation.

[Here we get to the racial basis for citizenship. It was
perhaps somewhat extreme for the times but not remarkably so in
comparison to other countries. For example, Hitler remained a
soldier for ten years as he, an Austrian, could not gain German
citizenship until after those ten years of residency.]

5) Anyone who is not a citizen of the state may live in Germany
only as a guest and must be regarded as being subject to foreign
laws.

[This is as Hitler lived in Germany for those ten years. It
was not something all that new.]

6) The right of voting on the leadership and legislation is to be
enjoyed by the state alone. We demand therefore that all official
appointments, of whatever kind, whether in the Reich, in the
country, or in the smaller localities, shall be granted to
citizens of the state alone. We oppose the corrupting custom of
Parliament of filling posts merely with a view to party
considerations, and without reference to character or capacity.

[The first item is generally the rule in every country
today, citizenship is a requirement of government employment. The
last sentence is again something that all political parties
should consider as an objective.]

7) We demand that the state shall make it its first duty to
promote the industry and livelihood of citizens of the state. If
it is not possible to nourish the entire population of the state,
foreign nationals (non-citizens of the state) must be excluded
>from the Reich.

[Which of course is perfectly reasonable, that the state
exists for its citizens rather than for non-citizens.

8) All non-German immigration must be prevented….

[Nothing onerous here, simply a matter of national
immigration policy which is the right of every country.]

9) All citizens of the state shall be equal as regards rights and
duties.

[Perfectly normal.]

10) It must be the first duty of each citizen of the state to
work with his mind or with his body. The activities of the
individual may not clash with the interests of the whole, but
must proceed within the frame of the community and be for the
general good.

[A fine statement of principle but it is open to abuse in
that it puts the government in arbitrary control over individual
actions and obviously it is the only basis upon which a
dictatorship can legally exist.]

WE DEMAND THEREFORE:

11) Abolition of incomes not earned by work.

[A clearly communist plank as it prevents income from rents
and investments.]

12) In view of the enormous sacrifice of life and property
demanded of a nation by every war, personal enrichment because of
a war must regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand
therefore ruthless confiscation of all war gains.

[War profiteering is a crime in every country. In this case
it was extended to cover the post war investments with foreign
currency during post war hyperinflationary times. In other
words, the purchases were retroactively abolished. It is a coin
toss as to whether this is reasonable but it is certainly open to
abuse.]

13) We demand nationalization of all businesses (trusts)….

[Another Marxist concept.]

14) We demand that the profits from wholesale trade shall be
shared.

[Again, a Marxist idea, giving the government control of all
import and export business.]

15) We demand extensive development of provision for old age.

[Ah, yes, social securtiy. Their system was the model for
the US system down to the means of paying for it and the
retriement age. Just how evil were these folks?]

16) We demand creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class,
immediate communalization of wholesale business premises, and
their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that extreme
consideration shall be shown to all small purveyors to the state,
district authorities, and smaller localities.

[While giving the government control of the wholesale
business, it promotes the small businessman. As Hitler noted he
considered himself a practical implementer of marxism. It would
appear he realized that control of ten of thousands of small
businesses would be too hard. The US exempts small businesses
>from it regulations also. Rather enlighted that.]

17) We demand land reform suitable to our national
requirements….

[Clearly Marxist.]

18) We demand ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are
injurious to the common interest. Sordid criminals against the
nation, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished by death,
whatever their creed or race.

[This sounds a touch similar to the FDR’s National Recovery
Act although the punishment was not so extreme.]

19) We demand that the Roman Law, which serves the materialistic
world order, shall be replaced by a legal system for all Germany.

[Revamping the legal system was long overdue.]

20) With the aim of opening to every capable and industrious
German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining
advancement, the state must consider a thorough reconstruction of
our national system of education….

[Universal higher education. Nothing very insidious there.]

21) The state must see to raising the standard of health in the
nation by protecting mothers and infants, prohibiting child
labor, increasing bodily efficiency by obligatory gymnastics and
sports laid down by law, and by extensive support of clubs
engaged in the bodily development of the young.

[Although the gynamstics appear a bit arcane, the rest could
be right from Hillary Cliton.]

22) We demand abolition of a paid army and formation of a
national army.

[That sounds like the Founding Fathers of the US and their
abhorrance of standing armies. They got the abhorance from
England.]

23) We demand legal warfare against conscious political lying and
its dissemination in the press. In order to facilitate creation
of a German national press. In order to facilitate creation of a
German national press we demand:

a) that all editors of newspapers and their assistants, employing
the German language, must be members of the nation;

b) that special permission from the state shall be necessary
before non-German newspapers may appears. These are not
necessarily printed in the German language;

c) that non-Germans shall be prohibited by law from participation
financially in or influencing German newspapers….

It must be forbidden to publish papers which do not conduce to
the national welfare. We demand legal prosecution of all
tendencies in art and literature of a kind likely to disintegrate
our life as a nation, and the suppression of institutions which
militate against the requirements above-mentioned.

[Of course this lead to government censorship of the news.
But prohibiting foreign ownership … Rupert Murdoch had to
become a US citizen in order to grow his broadcasting empire. It
is unclear what might be wrong with the principle.]

24) We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the
state, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate
against the moral feelings of the German race. The Party, as
such, stand for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself
in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats
the Jewish-materialist spirit within us and without us….

[So here we have the first clear statement that is against
jews in some manner. However, even today Germany collects taxes
to support the Lutheran Church, something that would have been
prohibited by the general policy of supporting any particular
religion.]

25) That all foregoing may be realized we demand the creation of
a strong central power of the state.

[And of course the worst of all, the basis for a
dictatorship. On the other hand, the Weimar Republic was so weak
as to ineffective that the call for strong has to be compared to
what existed at the time.]

Unquestioned authority of the politically centralized Parliament
over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of
chambers for classes and occupations for the purpose of carrying
out the general laws promulgated by the Reich in the various
states of the confederation.

[Note that in comparison to the Weimar Republic, this can be
construed as being no more than a call for a strong Federal
government as in the US even though it did go much further than
that.]

The leaders of the Party swear to go straight forward – if
necessary to sacrifice their lives – in securing fulfillment of
the foregoing points.

[Our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honors.]

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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:21:27 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (tom
>>moran) wrote:
>>
>>[Moran’s drivel snipped]
>>
>>> The only evidence I recall is a room mentioned that held urns.
>>
>>Then you don’t “recall” much do you, Moran?
>>
>>Why don’t you refresh your memory by pointing your riggii at:
>>
>>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/crematoria/burning-pits

> Oh no. Not a U R L. Not that.

> Okay Mr.VanAlstine, you got me.

> But wait a minute. Why don’t you just post it?

The intention is to artificially inflate their hits to impress contributors.

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On 16 Sep 1996 19:07:47 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>Thank you, Mr. Giwer, for posting the information regarding Hilberg’s
>qualifications as well as his admissions before the court during the
>course of the Zundel trial.

Some has to do it as this guy has been getting a free ride on that chair.

And we all know about Pressac the Pharamcist.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Auschwitz photos deny the lie
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On 17 Sep 1996 17:28:19 -0400, [email protected] (Michael P. Stein)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 13:00:19 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In the Holocaust book “Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp” we
>>>are given a photo with the caption: “Arrival and selection of
>>>Hungarian Jews at Auschwitz, 1944. Credit: Yad Vashim, Jeruselem”.
>>
>> The “credit” should go to the photographer or his employer. In this
>>case the credit goes to Yad Vashim for the creative caption. Of
>>course it begs the questions, how do you know they are Jews? how do
>>you know they are Hungarian? and how do you know what is going on?

> This one is easy. Photos from “The Auschwitz Album” were found by a
>Hungarian Jewish survivor who came in on that train and recognized a
>number of people from her village. As for how one knows that people in
>such pictures are Jews, I guess Mr. Giwer’s steel-sieve memory has
>conveniently forgotten the fact that the Nazis required Jews to wear a
>Jewish star on their clothes identifying them as such.

So I ask you, were they Polaroids? First off we have the claim that the SS did
not allow photography. Then we have by chance a woman finding an album of
pictures taken of people on exactly the train she came in on but many years
later by pure chance. It also happens to have some people she can identify but
she declines to provide their names. And we further note that was a law for
German Jews and there are no stars on the clothing of people in those pictures.

Other than that, not a bad story.

> Confessed liar Matt Giwer never did bother to look at the pictures in
>the book before coming out with howlers such as that the people were
>probably heading for the stairs down from the train platform. (The
>platform is ground level, as he would have known had he looked.) He also
>maintained that people told by men with guns to walk along a road with
>barbed wire on both sides might decide to go off in any random direction
>instead, perhaps even straight through the barbed wire.

But we already know from the description of the picture that the men were headed
for the women’s camp. It is a very normal picture of very normal men. It was
good of so many people to give the layout of the camp and the description of the
picture to make that clear.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 12:14:37 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer), unemployed since he was
>46-years-old, writes:

># Why would I want a job? What would I do with it?

>I’m surprised at you, Matty. Don’t you know what that
>big sign in the entrance to Auschwitz said?

That was for gullible jews.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 21:32:03 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

># But the Cold War is over. We no longer need Israel to sell
># us captured Soviet weapons. And despite the fantasy, ALL
># captured weapons were sold, not given, to the US. It was
># always a matter of profit.

>Does anyone have an idea whether this is true? For instance,
>the Soviet radar stations, which Israeli commandos took from
>Egypt in 1971 or so, and the surface-to-air missiles captured
>in the 1967 war. Is the Giwer claiming that they were “sold”
>to the US? Or that Israel demanded money from the US for
>allowing Americans the right to study them?

>If so, there’s no doubt the Giwer will provide us a source
>for this claim?

It is very true. They never gave away a thing. In fact it is a centuries old,
world wide tradition to sell war booty.

There was a SAM that came down sort of intact during that little action to
destabilize Lebenon. The price was $20 million. And it was just big shipping
crates of small pieces.

It is also true Israel had to pay for the upgrades to their jammers to deal with
them.

You appear to think wars are run on charity and good will. How naive.

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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:27:48, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>From: [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
>>Subject: Re: Ken McVay, common lying holohugger
>>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:10:33 GMT

>>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>># He lies in calling it a mail bomb.

>>1) How large was it?

>>2) Why don’t you post it and we’ll decide if it was a mail
>> bomb or not?

>>3) Why don’t you GET A JOB, punk?

>Who would hire him, and why?

Who would I apply to and why?

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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:25:29 -0800, [email protected] (Rajiv K.
Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>[snip]

>> Which is why Israel has not admitted it murder of the crew of the
>> Liberty of an the Palestinians in Qana.

>[incoherent Giwer .sig deleted]

>This of course, has absolutely no bearing on the FACT (as opposed to delusion,
>something with which you seem intimately familiar) that your impotent
>posterboy for hate, Hitler, and his Nazi throng, systematically set out to
>exterminate more than 6 million people, including Jews, Homosexuals,
>politicial prisoners (some of whom were imprisoned for taking it upon
>themselves to speak freely, I suppose), Gypsies, and any other
>Œundesireable¹ who didn¹t fit with the beady eyed, flatulent little troll
>(still taking about Hitler, not you) and his bland idea of Utopia.

>But then, as has been pointed out to you in the past, you are little more
>than an admitted troll:

> “You keep reading [my posts] and keep posting about them.
> That will waste your time while I concentrate on posting the
> idiocies of the holohuggers. I will post just enough to you
> folks to keep you interested and keep your limited time
> wasted. I have 18 hours a day seven days a week if I wish.”

> – Giwer, Message-ID <[email protected]>

>Of course it gets worse – not only are you a troll, but you are a troll
>who resorts to continual lies, harassment, threats, and general
>prevarication in an attempt to deny what you know to be truth – you,
>little man, are completely devoid of anything resembling decency,
>morality, and integrity.

>For confirmation and reference, please examine the copious documentation
>available at
On 3 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA) wrote:

>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.016
>Last-modified: 1993/03/22

> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])

> [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]

> THE TRIAL OF THE EXECUTIONER OF SOBIBOR
> Shimon Kanz

>A jury of judges, prosecutors and defendors who arrived from
>Germany and headed by the Israeli judge Dr. Beniski, heard testimony for
>3 days at the court of Tel Aviv. The testimony was given by Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann who survived after the revolt and who had refused to go to
>Germany in order to testify at the trial of the executioners of Sobibor.
>Her testimony led to a loud and stubborn victory of the persecution
> over the defense. The more she continued in her descriptions of
>the hell she had experienced the more appeased the noise of the
>prosecutors and their questions and comments stopped and they lowered
>their heads.

>In the eyes of the Jewish judge, who himself had tasted the camps of
>Hitler, stood tears and his voice hardly found its way through throat.

Obviously not impartial but then this is Israel.

> SPECTACLES OF CRUELTY

>”Don’t ask me for exact dates”, said Mrs. Lichtmann to the provocating
>and torturing questions of the lawyers. “At that time no calender
>existed but on the other hand I remember the events of those days which
>I am describing because they will remain deeply rooted in my memory
>throughout my life.”

It appears that unlike the war crimes trials, the defense was permitted a
meaningful crossexamination.

>The awful depressed the mood and atmosphere of the courtroom. Horrow
>accompanied the route from Krakow from where the Germans had openly
>exiled her, through Miliz, Dubinki, Charaschow, and other places on the
>bloody road to Sobibor. Physical and mental pains, blows and
>humiliations. Her husband Mark Weismann was killed with stones during
>the work in the camp Postak.

“Stone him. Stone him.”

“Jehovah! Jehovah!”

Stoned? Who biblical. But maybe he really just inhaled.

>The strikes and blows of the SS-men and Ukrainians while passing the
>”Spalier” (their lines) before the entrance of the concentration points.

>Already at the beginning of her simple words the lips whispered
>automatically: “Is this possible?” From where did this woman with her
>delicate face and blue eyes, take the strength to endure these tortures?
>From where did she have the strength to tell again of her suffering?

She was a prostitute, professional witness and avoiding prosecution for her
treatment of women in the camps as were so many of the witnesses.

> DEVILISH LAUGHTER DEAFENS THE SCREAMING OF THE DYING

Devilish laughter. Melodrama testified to in court. The evil always laugh as
devilishly as they can. Ming the Merciless did it too.

Is any adult to take this seriously? Of course not. Only holohuggers believe
this sort of crap.

>She recalls events of Jews struck and shot on Dobinko. In Dobinko the
>Jews were loaded on wagon trains that went to Charabishow.

>Planes flew over the train shooting with machine guns into the wagons.
>They lowered the planes so that we could see the faces of pilots.

And the pilots were also shooting at the drivers and the engine/horses of these
wagons, depending upon translation.

And
>when they stopped the shooting for a while we heard them laughing. The
>devilish laughter deafened the screaming of those laughing.

Devilish laughter heard from pilots in the air over the noise of the engine.
Real true holohugger fantasy life here. And they could see the faces of pilots
>from inside closed wagons. This woman certainly has to be paid for this
performance.

>On the way somewhere near to Dubinko, they were taken out of the wagons
>and the men and women were forced to strip off their clothes and to
>begin dancing. The voice of Mrs. Lichtmann breaks off.

Ah, yes, dancing. Dancing to the devil’s tune no doubt. Very efficient these
Nazis.

>Her face reflects her feeling of tortures and inability to tell all. Her
>words shiver and only an echoe is heard of those awful days which
>had become from day to day more terrible.

A true whacko so far.

>They were kept on the ground only one day. It was fenced in with barbed
>wire and again they were loaded on the wagons, like cattle from the
>slaughter and brought to Sobibor. Usually the journey from Charobichow
>took several hours. But then it extended to eternity and no one,
>neither Mrs. Lichtmann nor someone else from the survivors, remembers
>how long they travelled in the closed wagons.

So who could remember how long they traveled in closed wagons when they could
remember the faces of the pilots from the closed wagons? This person is truly
psychotic.

>Nevertheless, the journey lasted for a few days and the German soldiers
>were amused by their victims. There on the station before Sobibor the
>Ukrainians broke into the wagons and plundered jewelry and those who did
>not succeed to take of the ring of their finger in time, had the ring
>taken off together with the finger… “You don’t need either the finger
>nor the ring any more” the wild Ukrainians consoled their victims! “Soon
>you will be broiled and soap will be made from you, dist”.

Certainly fingers were just pulled off.

Tell me the truth. This was written by Stephen King, right?

>The Polish farmers also waited in front of the entrance to Sobibor and
>shouted at the Jews in the transports. “Throw us your money, anyway it
>will not redeem you from death, you are going to the gas chamber.”

But it was a secret and the farmers could not know about it.

But here it is not a secret and they do know about it.

It is also an interesting speech. Maybe it translates to a chant.

You will note below that no one understood what was being said in the same
testimony.

> THE SPEECH TO THE TRANSPORTS

>The shouts of the Poles penetrated into the conscience of those weakened
>from hunger and thrust pains and agony and they started
>screaming and yelling thus deafening the camp.

>The SS-man Michel who was called by the camp inhabitants “the speaker”
>as he received the arrivals with a prepared speech, did not have what
> to say to the Polish Jews. Those were received with whips and
>gunshots. The Polish farmers also shouted at the Jews from Holland,
>Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Greece – but those did
>not understand the meaning of their shouts.

They did not understand the shouts. Then where did the translation of the chant
above come from? This witness?

>At their arrival to the camp they were welcomed with a speech by Michel:
>”You have to be disciplined. Strip off your clothes, make a nice bundle
>of them and attach them to the luggage, in order to recognize them
>immediately after the shower, because you will not receive other
>clothes here.”

Right, bundles of clothes. Every found a bundle of clothes. No one has.

>Among the transport of 7,000 men with whom Ada Lichtmann arrived in the
>year 1942 and who went on the same day to the gas chamber only three
>women survived chosen to work in the laundry. With an indication of his
>finger the SS-commander took her out of the line and asked her for
>profession. When she answered that she was a teacher he and his
>assistants broke out in laughter: “We will teach you to be a
>laundress… Choose two other girls.” Her closest friends Bela Sobol and
>Sarka Katz were already beyond the gate on the way to the crematorium,
>but she managed to get them out of the line.

In other words, like the soap threat earlier, she has no knowledge of what
happened after that point. The gassing all her fantasy.

>The Jews believed the Germans and in astonishing order they packed their
>belongings and after an hour not even one was alive, only a few
>craftsmen were allowed to survive.

But she has no way of knowing.

> SHOUTS GOING UP TO THE SKY IN THE NIGHT

>We three organized the laundry in the camp. Until then the German
>officers too were dirty and lice-infected. In the course of time the
>laundry was enlarged and women from other transports arriving daily were
>distributed to us. The judges realized how Mrs. Lichtmann hesitates in
>her narration and talk to her kindly: “Talk, remember as much as you
>can”.

They organized a non-existant laudry and then that non-existant laundry was
expanded.

Note here that the judge leads the witness. A typical war crimes tactic.

>The tension in the hall extended also to the memory of the woman. She
>feels the good eyes of Dr. Beinski on her and of the stenotypist, a
>Lieutenant in the police Mrs. Hela Koslowski who stops her tears while
>writing every word going out of her mouth.

>The Germans do not want to hear about what she knows to tell but what
>she has seen with her own eyes.

Who is it that does not want hearsay?

But how can she not tell about the
>shouts of women who arrived with the night transports.

That is a question and she can not tell because she did not witness it. What in
the hell does the author think witness means?

The heartbreaking
>shouts and screaming ceased for a moment and then once again beginning
>penetrating the limbs and soul. The SS-men boasted the next day that
>they raped the most beautiful women in front of the whole transport.

But she was not raped. Must have been real ugly.

>Generally the transports arrived during the day. Once on a hot summerday
>a transport arrived with thursty people as it had been for several
>days since they had tasted a drop of water. The SS-officer allowed some
>to go and fetch water, but there the “Unterscharfu”hrer” Michel was
>already waiting for them and he made them run to a dug uphole which
>served as a privy and forced them to smear their body and face with the
>excrement. And thus he brought them back to the thursty people of
>the transport. From another transport young men were forced to beat each
>other to death. The last one remaining from this terrible battle was
>shot by the Germans.

And all of this from what she did not witness. Quite amazing that this is
level of testimony that was introduced in capital trials. Even more interesting
that crossexamination was not permitted.

> HEROIC DEEDS IN SOBIBOR

>The stories of Mrs. Lichtmann and her husband whom she met in Sobibor
>after the revolt are horrifying.

>They tell how the semi-alive victims tried to maintain to the last
>moment not only their human faces but also their human soulds. They tell
>about women who tried to save their children and were desparately driven
>to perform heroic deeds: About young mothers who attempted with their
>own bodies to cover and to defend their children. They tell about the
>Jewish officer of the Spanish civil war who immediately after his
>arrival tried organizing a revolt. The Germans found out about it and
>they chose 72 men and sent them to the crematorium. This massacre was
>supervised by the “Oberscharfu”hrer” Frenzel whose trial is taking place
>at the present inferment. Returning from the scene of the murder he
>ordered the quick erection of a temporary stage out of some planks,
>called for the orchestra, gathered the women and told them to sing and
>dance.

Thank you, Steven Speilberg. Jewrassic Pork lives.

>This Frenzel once caught a boy red-handed, eating sardines, he gathered
>all the Jews from the barracks and in front of all he shot the child.

Eating sardines. Are they not Kosher?

>Sobibor did not become at once a concentration of plants and workshops.
>The camp gradually expanded, developed slowly, erecting all kind
>of workshops. There work was done only for the German officers and
>guards. Coats, dresses, furs were sewn there for them, their wives and
>mistresses. Very few Jews were sent to the forest to shop trees.
>Once the Jews of such a group attacked their guards, killed them and
>escaped. The Germans took revenge on other Jews. But all considered the
>heroism of the escaped as a miracle and dreamt of doing the same.

Giving the number of escapes from A-B and every camp this is old news.

> THE REBELLION COMMITTEE

>Sasha Pizurski who was brought to the camp with a group of prisoners of
>the Russian army immediately formed a committee to prepare a revolt. To
>this committee belonged also the heroes Leibl Feldhendler, Shaul
>Felischmann and others who strongly detested the Germans and had decided
>revenge.

Excuse me. It took people who detested to Germans to arrive to organize this
and yet the people there knew of 95%+ being gassed by them?

>In the barracks weapons were started to appear: axes and knives. How
>dangerous this was! How much courage, cunning, patience you had to use
>in order to conceal this. Many efforst of the spirit and mind, will and
>courage had to be used to take guns, rifles, bullets from the
>storehouses. The participants of this operation were divided into
>groups. The plan was worked out to the smallest details: Every group
>and its duties – really imaginative tasks: Some had to assault the
>guardtowers where the guards sat with machineguns; some had to tempt
>the officers into coming into the workshops; others had to attack the
>guards that were wandering about. Special men had to cut off the
>telephone and electricity lines and tear down the barbed wires – to make
>passage ways.

But gassing most of the arrivals was not enough.

> THE MALIGNENT BLOOD OF THE SS-MEN IS SHED

>The revolt was fixed for October 14, 1943. 700 condemned to death
>enthusiastically took their fate into their own hands. Until the
>prearranged sign was given every group had performed its tasks well.
>Nevertheless things which had not been expected in advance happened.
>Guns started firing from both sides, axes and knives greedy for blood
>shone in the air and the whole camp changed into a battlefield. On this
>day, October 14, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon there began on the
>hellground of Sobibor the shedding of the malignent blood of the SS-men
>and their Ukrainian assistants. Those who had been so sure of themselves
>when millions of innocent women and children were led to death, seemed
>now anxious and inferior, they became confused and ran like mice into
>the trap looking for a hiding place.

Sobibor gasse millions. How can the world have missed this.

>The SS-men and the police pursued the escapers. They mobilized airplanes
>and the Polish farmers of the area to help them pursue the fleeing Jews.
>Only a few pitied the victims and did not hand them over to the Germans.
>Out of 700 escaping from Sobibor only about 30 survived. Also Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann and two of her friends, one of them a Polish woman called
>Alina Stern-Sofermann, who is living in Israel succeeded, with help of
>some young Poles, in arriving to the partisans in the woods of Parzew
>and continued their war against the German army. But until they reached
>the forest they wandered around day and night around the camp, living
>of tree leaves and poisonous mushrooms that so burned their
>intestines that they wished to die.

They did not live off of them.

>They lowered their eyes and one of them was turning his head from side
>to side replied: “No, we did not easily agree to accept such a mission.
>It was forced upon us officially”. And the second added: “Its a good
>thing that you did not agree to come to Germany,,,, so we were enabled
>to come to Israel, a wonderful journey.” One of the present in the hall
>heard this conversation said: “The blood of the Jews shed by the Germans
>flowed like a river. Don’t you think that by defending the murderers you
>emphasize the responsibility of the German people of what took place.”
>The two defenders ignoring the question avoided answering and the
>question remained unanswered.

Most likely they would have been shot for doing so. That is the way the
holocaust works.

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Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Wed Sep 18 17:13:18 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 17 Sep 1996 04:43 MST, [email protected] (Danny Mittleman)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes…
>>On 16 Sep 1996 11:33:36 GMT, [email protected] (Richard Schultz) wrote:
>>
>>>Capt. Peter Peachfuzz ([email protected]) wrote:
>>
>>>[A few pointed questions deleted]
>>
>>>: Yours are fewer but still my agreement with Netcom prohibits me from
>>>: proving you an idiot in your questions.
>>
>>>I will confess that this is the first Usenet posting that has actually
>>>succeeded in making me laugh out loud in several months. Good work,
>>>Myshkin.
>>
>> Now you know that cheap insults always lead to the following.
>>
>> Whois Ken McVay?

> So? All it shows is that you have no substantive comeback to these
> posts. And that it is still early enough in the evening that you
> remember how to clip in saved text.

I do not bother coming back to cheap insults.

Nor do I bother giving different responses to the same mantras.

In either case and in some others I respond in any manner I choose, usually with
some form of attack upon some aspect of holohuggerism.

Do you have a problem with that?

At least two can play the game.

If mantras and cheap insults are going to dominate this conference then I will
do my best to both irritate and imitate the folks doing it.

I hope that is clear.

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Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Wed Sep 18 18:21:15 PDT 1996
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On 17 Sep 1996 16:05:49 GMT, [email protected] (Richard Schultz) wrote:

>Capt. Peter Peachfuzz ([email protected]) wrote:
>: On 16 Sep 1996 11:33:36 GMT, [email protected]
>: (Richard Schultz) wrote:

>: >I will confess that this is the first Usenet posting that has actually
>: >succeeded in making me laugh out loud in several months. Good work,
>: >Myshkin.

>: Now you know that cheap insults always lead to the following.

>: Wer ist Sylvia?

>The ability to make people laugh is a gift. I was actually giving high
>praise to your abilities with the English language. Even the posts on
>rec.humor.funny [sic] rarely make me laugh out loud.

>So explain to us again how CO2 is not an acid even though every chemistry
>text consulted confirms that it is, and how it won’t react with CaO even
>though several standard references claim that it will. . .

>—–
>Richard Schultz [email protected]
>Department of Chemistry tel: 972-3-531-8065
>Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
>—–
>”I’ve lost my harmonica, Albert.”
On 3 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA) wrote:

>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.016
>Last-modified: 1993/03/22

> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])

> [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]

> THE TRIAL OF THE EXECUTIONER OF SOBIBOR
> Shimon Kanz

>A jury of judges, prosecutors and defendors who arrived from
>Germany and headed by the Israeli judge Dr. Beniski, heard testimony for
>3 days at the court of Tel Aviv. The testimony was given by Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann who survived after the revolt and who had refused to go to
>Germany in order to testify at the trial of the executioners of Sobibor.
>Her testimony led to a loud and stubborn victory of the persecution
> over the defense. The more she continued in her descriptions of
>the hell she had experienced the more appeased the noise of the
>prosecutors and their questions and comments stopped and they lowered
>their heads.

>In the eyes of the Jewish judge, who himself had tasted the camps of
>Hitler, stood tears and his voice hardly found its way through throat.

Obviously not impartial but then this is Israel.

> SPECTACLES OF CRUELTY

>”Don’t ask me for exact dates”, said Mrs. Lichtmann to the provocating
>and torturing questions of the lawyers. “At that time no calender
>existed but on the other hand I remember the events of those days which
>I am describing because they will remain deeply rooted in my memory
>throughout my life.”

It appears that unlike the war crimes trials, the defense was permitted a
meaningful crossexamination.

>The awful depressed the mood and atmosphere of the courtroom. Horrow
>accompanied the route from Krakow from where the Germans had openly
>exiled her, through Miliz, Dubinki, Charaschow, and other places on the
>bloody road to Sobibor. Physical and mental pains, blows and
>humiliations. Her husband Mark Weismann was killed with stones during
>the work in the camp Postak.

“Stone him. Stone him.”

“Jehovah! Jehovah!”

Stoned? Who biblical. But maybe he really just inhaled.

>The strikes and blows of the SS-men and Ukrainians while passing the
>”Spalier” (their lines) before the entrance of the concentration points.

>Already at the beginning of her simple words the lips whispered
>automatically: “Is this possible?” From where did this woman with her
>delicate face and blue eyes, take the strength to endure these tortures?
>From where did she have the strength to tell again of her suffering?

She was a prostitute, professional witness and avoiding prosecution for her
treatment of women in the camps as were so many of the witnesses.

> DEVILISH LAUGHTER DEAFENS THE SCREAMING OF THE DYING

Devilish laughter. Melodrama testified to in court. The evil always laugh as
devilishly as they can. Ming the Merciless did it too.

Is any adult to take this seriously? Of course not. Only holohuggers believe
this sort of crap.

>She recalls events of Jews struck and shot on Dobinko. In Dobinko the
>Jews were loaded on wagon trains that went to Charabishow.

>Planes flew over the train shooting with machine guns into the wagons.
>They lowered the planes so that we could see the faces of pilots.

And the pilots were also shooting at the drivers and the engine/horses of these
wagons, depending upon translation.

And
>when they stopped the shooting for a while we heard them laughing. The
>devilish laughter deafened the screaming of those laughing.

Devilish laughter heard from pilots in the air over the noise of the engine.
Real true holohugger fantasy life here. And they could see the faces of pilots
>from inside closed wagons. This woman certainly has to be paid for this
performance.

>On the way somewhere near to Dubinko, they were taken out of the wagons
>and the men and women were forced to strip off their clothes and to
>begin dancing. The voice of Mrs. Lichtmann breaks off.

Ah, yes, dancing. Dancing to the devil’s tune no doubt. Very efficient these
Nazis.

>Her face reflects her feeling of tortures and inability to tell all. Her
>words shiver and only an echoe is heard of those awful days which
>had become from day to day more terrible.

A true whacko so far.

>They were kept on the ground only one day. It was fenced in with barbed
>wire and again they were loaded on the wagons, like cattle from the
>slaughter and brought to Sobibor. Usually the journey from Charobichow
>took several hours. But then it extended to eternity and no one,
>neither Mrs. Lichtmann nor someone else from the survivors, remembers
>how long they travelled in the closed wagons.

So who could remember how long they traveled in closed wagons when they could
remember the faces of the pilots from the closed wagons? This person is truly
psychotic.

>Nevertheless, the journey lasted for a few days and the German soldiers
>were amused by their victims. There on the station before Sobibor the
>Ukrainians broke into the wagons and plundered jewelry and those who did
>not succeed to take of the ring of their finger in time, had the ring
>taken off together with the finger… “You don’t need either the finger
>nor the ring any more” the wild Ukrainians consoled their victims! “Soon
>you will be broiled and soap will be made from you, dist”.

Certainly fingers were just pulled off.

Tell me the truth. This was written by Stephen King, right?

>The Polish farmers also waited in front of the entrance to Sobibor and
>shouted at the Jews in the transports. “Throw us your money, anyway it
>will not redeem you from death, you are going to the gas chamber.”

But it was a secret and the farmers could not know about it.

But here it is not a secret and they do know about it.

It is also an interesting speech. Maybe it translates to a chant.

You will note below that no one understood what was being said in the same
testimony.

> THE SPEECH TO THE TRANSPORTS

>The shouts of the Poles penetrated into the conscience of those weakened
>from hunger and thrust pains and agony and they started
>screaming and yelling thus deafening the camp.

>The SS-man Michel who was called by the camp inhabitants “the speaker”
>as he received the arrivals with a prepared speech, did not have what
> to say to the Polish Jews. Those were received with whips and
>gunshots. The Polish farmers also shouted at the Jews from Holland,
>Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Greece – but those did
>not understand the meaning of their shouts.

They did not understand the shouts. Then where did the translation of the chant
above come from? This witness?

>At their arrival to the camp they were welcomed with a speech by Michel:
>”You have to be disciplined. Strip off your clothes, make a nice bundle
>of them and attach them to the luggage, in order to recognize them
>immediately after the shower, because you will not receive other
>clothes here.”

Right, bundles of clothes. Every found a bundle of clothes. No one has.

>Among the transport of 7,000 men with whom Ada Lichtmann arrived in the
>year 1942 and who went on the same day to the gas chamber only three
>women survived chosen to work in the laundry. With an indication of his
>finger the SS-commander took her out of the line and asked her for
>profession. When she answered that she was a teacher he and his
>assistants broke out in laughter: “We will teach you to be a
>laundress… Choose two other girls.” Her closest friends Bela Sobol and
>Sarka Katz were already beyond the gate on the way to the crematorium,
>but she managed to get them out of the line.

In other words, like the soap threat earlier, she has no knowledge of what
happened after that point. The gassing all her fantasy.

>The Jews believed the Germans and in astonishing order they packed their
>belongings and after an hour not even one was alive, only a few
>craftsmen were allowed to survive.

But she has no way of knowing.

> SHOUTS GOING UP TO THE SKY IN THE NIGHT

>We three organized the laundry in the camp. Until then the German
>officers too were dirty and lice-infected. In the course of time the
>laundry was enlarged and women from other transports arriving daily were
>distributed to us. The judges realized how Mrs. Lichtmann hesitates in
>her narration and talk to her kindly: “Talk, remember as much as you
>can”.

They organized a non-existant laudry and then that non-existant laundry was
expanded.

Note here that the judge leads the witness. A typical war crimes tactic.

>The tension in the hall extended also to the memory of the woman. She
>feels the good eyes of Dr. Beinski on her and of the stenotypist, a
>Lieutenant in the police Mrs. Hela Koslowski who stops her tears while
>writing every word going out of her mouth.

>The Germans do not want to hear about what she knows to tell but what
>she has seen with her own eyes.

Who is it that does not want hearsay?

But how can she not tell about the
>shouts of women who arrived with the night transports.

That is a question and she can not tell because she did not witness it. What in
the hell does the author think witness means?

The heartbreaking
>shouts and screaming ceased for a moment and then once again beginning
>penetrating the limbs and soul. The SS-men boasted the next day that
>they raped the most beautiful women in front of the whole transport.

But she was not raped. Must have been real ugly.

>Generally the transports arrived during the day. Once on a hot summerday
>a transport arrived with thursty people as it had been for several
>days since they had tasted a drop of water. The SS-officer allowed some
>to go and fetch water, but there the “Unterscharfu”hrer” Michel was
>already waiting for them and he made them run to a dug uphole which
>served as a privy and forced them to smear their body and face with the
>excrement. And thus he brought them back to the thursty people of
>the transport. From another transport young men were forced to beat each
>other to death. The last one remaining from this terrible battle was
>shot by the Germans.

And all of this from what she did not witness. Quite amazing that this is
level of testimony that was introduced in capital trials. Even more interesting
that crossexamination was not permitted.

> HEROIC DEEDS IN SOBIBOR

>The stories of Mrs. Lichtmann and her husband whom she met in Sobibor
>after the revolt are horrifying.

>They tell how the semi-alive victims tried to maintain to the last
>moment not only their human faces but also their human soulds. They tell
>about women who tried to save their children and were desparately driven
>to perform heroic deeds: About young mothers who attempted with their
>own bodies to cover and to defend their children. They tell about the
>Jewish officer of the Spanish civil war who immediately after his
>arrival tried organizing a revolt. The Germans found out about it and
>they chose 72 men and sent them to the crematorium. This massacre was
>supervised by the “Oberscharfu”hrer” Frenzel whose trial is taking place
>at the present inferment. Returning from the scene of the murder he
>ordered the quick erection of a temporary stage out of some planks,
>called for the orchestra, gathered the women and told them to sing and
>dance.

Thank you, Steven Speilberg. Jewrassic Pork lives.

>This Frenzel once caught a boy red-handed, eating sardines, he gathered
>all the Jews from the barracks and in front of all he shot the child.

Eating sardines. Are they not Kosher?

>Sobibor did not become at once a concentration of plants and workshops.
>The camp gradually expanded, developed slowly, erecting all kind
>of workshops. There work was done only for the German officers and
>guards. Coats, dresses, furs were sewn there for them, their wives and
>mistresses. Very few Jews were sent to the forest to shop trees.
>Once the Jews of such a group attacked their guards, killed them and
>escaped. The Germans took revenge on other Jews. But all considered the
>heroism of the escaped as a miracle and dreamt of doing the same.

Giving the number of escapes from A-B and every camp this is old news.

> THE REBELLION COMMITTEE

>Sasha Pizurski who was brought to the camp with a group of prisoners of
>the Russian army immediately formed a committee to prepare a revolt. To
>this committee belonged also the heroes Leibl Feldhendler, Shaul
>Felischmann and others who strongly detested the Germans and had decided
>revenge.

Excuse me. It took people who detested to Germans to arrive to organize this
and yet the people there knew of 95%+ being gassed by them?

>In the barracks weapons were started to appear: axes and knives. How
>dangerous this was! How much courage, cunning, patience you had to use
>in order to conceal this. Many efforst of the spirit and mind, will and
>courage had to be used to take guns, rifles, bullets from the
>storehouses. The participants of this operation were divided into
>groups. The plan was worked out to the smallest details: Every group
>and its duties – really imaginative tasks: Some had to assault the
>guardtowers where the guards sat with machineguns; some had to tempt
>the officers into coming into the workshops; others had to attack the
>guards that were wandering about. Special men had to cut off the
>telephone and electricity lines and tear down the barbed wires – to make
>passage ways.

But gassing most of the arrivals was not enough.

> THE MALIGNENT BLOOD OF THE SS-MEN IS SHED

>The revolt was fixed for October 14, 1943. 700 condemned to death
>enthusiastically took their fate into their own hands. Until the
>prearranged sign was given every group had performed its tasks well.
>Nevertheless things which had not been expected in advance happened.
>Guns started firing from both sides, axes and knives greedy for blood
>shone in the air and the whole camp changed into a battlefield. On this
>day, October 14, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon there began on the
>hellground of Sobibor the shedding of the malignent blood of the SS-men
>and their Ukrainian assistants. Those who had been so sure of themselves
>when millions of innocent women and children were led to death, seemed
>now anxious and inferior, they became confused and ran like mice into
>the trap looking for a hiding place.

Sobibor gasse millions. How can the world have missed this.

>The SS-men and the police pursued the escapers. They mobilized airplanes
>and the Polish farmers of the area to help them pursue the fleeing Jews.
>Only a few pitied the victims and did not hand them over to the Germans.
>Out of 700 escaping from Sobibor only about 30 survived. Also Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann and two of her friends, one of them a Polish woman called
>Alina Stern-Sofermann, who is living in Israel succeeded, with help of
>some young Poles, in arriving to the partisans in the woods of Parzew
>and continued their war against the German army. But until they reached
>the forest they wandered around day and night around the camp, living
>of tree leaves and poisonous mushrooms that so burned their
>intestines that they wished to die.

They did not live off of them.

>They lowered their eyes and one of them was turning his head from side
>to side replied: “No, we did not easily agree to accept such a mission.
>It was forced upon us officially”. And the second added: “Its a good
>thing that you did not agree to come to Germany,,,, so we were enabled
>to come to Israel, a wonderful journey.” One of the present in the hall
>heard this conversation said: “The blood of the Jews shed by the Germans
>flowed like a river. Don’t you think that by defending the murderers you
>emphasize the responsibility of the German people of what took place.”
>The two defenders ignoring the question avoided answering and the
>question remained unanswered.

Most likely they would have been shot for doing so. That is the way the
holocaust works.

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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:05:40 +0100, [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Scott Erb wrote:
>>
>>If one really wants to see where racism and the like leads, read the history
>>of Germany. If ever another state like Nazi Germany arose, it would suffer
>>the same fate — or worse.

> Nonsens nazism was first and foremost German chauvinism. Racism was just
>utilized in order to justify German chauvinism and megalomania. The reason,
>why WW2 started, was because Hitler invaded Non-German countries like Poland.
>If Germany had stayed within it’s own border, England and France would never
>have declared war. England and France would never have started a war of
>solely ideological reasons. WW2 was not an ideological war.

Germany only invaded Silesia which was part of Germany that had been given to
Poland. England declared war against Germany in defense of the Treaty of
Versailles despite the excuse that it was in defense of Poland. Had it been the
latter they would have attacked Russia also.

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On 14 Sep 96 22:37:02, [email protected] (Nosy) wrote:

> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>< On Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:40:11 -0700, [email protected] wrote: >< >[email protected] wrote:
>< >>
>< >> Here, normal people, is another symptom of mental derangement:
>< >>
>< >> [email protected] (Sam A. Kersh) wrote:
>< >> >[email protected] (Norman Nithman) wrote:
>< >> >
>< >> >>So you are claiming that the BATF wanted to assassinate Koresh?
>< >> >>–
>< >> >
>< >> >Yes. That was Special Agent Steve Willis’ assignment. He missed and
>< >> >hit Perry Jones instead.
>
>< >> Lemme ask ya — if there was a hitsquad, howcum they’re ignoring these
>< >> GunGoofies? Letting ’em publicize all these “exposes” or even letting ’em
>< >> live?
>< >>
>< >> I got it! The professionally trained, conspiratorial secret ATF hit
>< >> squad is *scared* to tackle the GunGoofies. Yeah, that must be it.
>< >>
>< >> Dopctors say a good laugh is good for our health. At that rate, the
>< >> GunGoofies will keep me alive forever. They’ll be *so* happy to know
>< >> that.

>< >I agree if BATF had intended to assasinate (read: murder) Koresh. It
>< >would have been a simple matter for a sniper to set up in a hide at 400
>< >to 600 meters and remove him with one shot. A lot simpler than a dynamic
>< >entry, it even could have been set up that that would be the signal for
>< >the entry so as to disguise the sniper’s work.
>
> As a matter of fact, at least one team of sharpshooters DID
> shoot unarmed Davidians as part of the raid, but Vernon
> Howell was shot at from close range.

>< The primary purpose was to look good in front of Congress that was >< considering their funding. > Probably. But Giwer, as someone who has denied the facts
> of the Holocaust, which some call the Shoah, is in no
> position to talk about facts.

When did I deny that people could see the faces of the pilots from inside closed
trucks and that they could hear their maniacal laughter over the airplane
engines? When did I deny that a man could be gassed six times and live to tell
about it? When did I deny that Nazi doctors infected people with cancer? When
did I deny that millions were executed by steaming and electrocution and
suffocation?

It appears you are suffering from a belief that the facts are what current
writers are saying rather than the sworn testimony at the trials. Which are the
facts that you want to believe? And why do you choose to believe people who
were never in the camps over those who were eyewitnesses to the steaming and
assembly line electrocutions and such?

>< The choice of target was influenced by the likes of that lying scum, >< Morris Dees. (When will he spend some time identifying members of >< known terrorist groups such as the JDL? Never. He is on the side of >< those terrorists.) > The JDL does not exist any more, as Giwer should know.

Sort of a surprise to them.

> Be that as it may, Giwer is not welcome in this discussion.

I was unaware an invitation was needed.

>< Dees and his SPLC are interested in getting rid of Christian >< organizations. > Here we see Giwer stepping off into the Twilight Zone.

> While Morris Dees has a rather poor record (he DEFENDED
> the BATF after “nigger hunting licenses” were discovered)
> there’s no evidence to support Giwer’s conspiracy theory,
> and every reason to question strongly Giwer’s claims,
> given his nonsensical denial of the facts of the Holocaust.

You need to pay more attention to Dees. He always throws in the religious bent
of the people he attacks and they are uniformly christian of some fundamentalist
bent or other.

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On the Holocaust

Never have so many, believed so much, based upon so little.
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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:35:09 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>
>> Research is not reading researchers save to liberal arts pukes.

>Complete nonsense. Even in Giwerese, this statement makes no sense at all.
>
>Poor Mr. Giwer is really losing it now.
>
>Sara

>–
>”I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy.”
> Samuel Butler

It means you are a liberal art puke, untrained in analytic thought.

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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:40:23 GMT, [email protected] (Steve A) wrote:

>[email protected] (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:

>>In <[email protected]> [email protected] (B.P.F. Kassler) writes:
>>
>>! >Does Germany allow it’s citizens to purchase firearms? Why?
>>! Of course Germany allows it’s citizens to purchase firearms.
>>
>>Are you aware of the great restrtictions put on her citizens who
>>desire to own, say, a Glock 26, or a Remington 1100? You cannot,
>>under the zillions of persnickery restrictions.
>>
>>! Of course not every asshole may purchase a firearm.
>>! (That’s the difference to the US regulations.)
>>
>>The USA national law has a lifetime prohibition on firearm ownership
>>to those who have been convicted of any felony, has ever been under
>>involutary psychiatric observation, or is presently under the age of
>>21, an alcoholic or drug addict, under the age of 18 for rifles or
>>shotguns, etc., and the many state laws may go considerably stricter.
>>This doesn’t sound to me like “everybody.”

>And what about the availability of illegally held firearms? Or
>those which are able to be stolen from legitimate holders.

>Ultimately, those guns are in circulation, and that’s bad enough
>for me.

>In Scotland, last March, a man walked into a school gym and shot
>sixteen five-year-old children and their teacher dead. Many
>others were injured. The only reason, it would appear, that the
>carnage was not worse was because he had been misled as to when
>the entire school was due to assemble.

>George Hamilton carried four legally-held firearms and hundreds
>of rounds of ammunition into that gym.

>There is no reason at all why a private citizen should need to
>possess and have at home firearms and ammunition – in the UK, the
>only place that these weapons may be used (shotguns excepted) is
>on a firing range. While there is the danger that people like
>George Hamilton can walk into our schools and murder our
>children, I cannot see a credible case being made for privately-
>held firearms.

>As far as I am concerned, there is no number of “persnickery”
>restrictions that is too great when measured against the lives of
>any innocent person, let alone a class of five-year-olds.

>The facts are this: in the UK, where gun ownership is very
>restricted (though not enough, IMO), the number of deaths from
>gunshot is proportionally tiny when compared to the number of
>deaths from gunshot in the US. I consider that to be a function
>of the availability of firearms in the US, which I see in turn to
>be a function of the fact that it is, comparatively speaking, a
>great deal easier to legally gain access to firearms in the US
>than in the UK.

>I don’t give a damn about any peripheral arguments, whether about
>”persnickery” (lovely word, BTW :->) restrictions or not.

So what? Most of the people killing each other are criminals killing off
criminals. Who cares?

As for the rest, we know gun control laws do not work in this country as it is
illegal for criminals to have guns in the US yet they do have guns. It is the
same in England.

If criminals want guns, criminals get guns. It does not do any good to tell
them they are breaking the law by possessing guns. If it mattered to them they
would not be criminals in the first place.

In any event, every state in the US that has made a concealed carry license easy
to get has seen a drop in violent crime. It works for us. Of course it does
not reduce total crime, simply that nonviolent crime increases.

The good thing about a dead criminal is that his status as a criminal becomes
moot.

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On 17 Sep 1996 07:00:15 GMT, [email protected] (Richard Schultz) wrote:

>Capt. Peter Peachfuzz ([email protected]) wrote:

>: Nitskor [sic] is a German derivative word.

>I notice that, while people have been arguing the matter with Myshkin,
>no one has yet asked him the obvious question regarding this assertion.

>Although Myshkin’s German skills are questionable, to say the least
>(vide his explanation of “Leichenkeller”), to have made the assertion
>above, namely, that Nizkor is a “German derivative word,” he must have
>some reference for its etymology. Therefore, I ask, if “nizkor” is a
>”German derivative word,” from which German (or OHG or proto-Germanic,
>if you prefer) word is it derived?

>—–
>Richard Schultz [email protected]
>Department of Chemistry tel: 972-3-531-8065
>Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
>—–
>”You don’t even have a clue as to which clue you’re missing.” — Miss Manners

On 3 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA) wrote:

>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.016
>Last-modified: 1993/03/22

> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])

> [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]

> THE TRIAL OF THE EXECUTIONER OF SOBIBOR
> Shimon Kanz

>A jury of judges, prosecutors and defendors who arrived from
>Germany and headed by the Israeli judge Dr. Beniski, heard testimony for
>3 days at the court of Tel Aviv. The testimony was given by Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann who survived after the revolt and who had refused to go to
>Germany in order to testify at the trial of the executioners of Sobibor.
>Her testimony led to a loud and stubborn victory of the persecution
> over the defense. The more she continued in her descriptions of
>the hell she had experienced the more appeased the noise of the
>prosecutors and their questions and comments stopped and they lowered
>their heads.

>In the eyes of the Jewish judge, who himself had tasted the camps of
>Hitler, stood tears and his voice hardly found its way through throat.

Obviously not impartial but then this is Israel.

> SPECTACLES OF CRUELTY

>”Don’t ask me for exact dates”, said Mrs. Lichtmann to the provocating
>and torturing questions of the lawyers. “At that time no calender
>existed but on the other hand I remember the events of those days which
>I am describing because they will remain deeply rooted in my memory
>throughout my life.”

It appears that unlike the war crimes trials, the defense was permitted a
meaningful crossexamination.

>The awful depressed the mood and atmosphere of the courtroom. Horrow
>accompanied the route from Krakow from where the Germans had openly
>exiled her, through Miliz, Dubinki, Charaschow, and other places on the
>bloody road to Sobibor. Physical and mental pains, blows and
>humiliations. Her husband Mark Weismann was killed with stones during
>the work in the camp Postak.

“Stone him. Stone him.”

“Jehovah! Jehovah!”

Stoned? Who biblical. But maybe he really just inhaled.

>The strikes and blows of the SS-men and Ukrainians while passing the
>”Spalier” (their lines) before the entrance of the concentration points.

>Already at the beginning of her simple words the lips whispered
>automatically: “Is this possible?” From where did this woman with her
>delicate face and blue eyes, take the strength to endure these tortures?
>From where did she have the strength to tell again of her suffering?

She was a prostitute, professional witness and avoiding prosecution for her
treatment of women in the camps as were so many of the witnesses.

> DEVILISH LAUGHTER DEAFENS THE SCREAMING OF THE DYING

Devilish laughter. Melodrama testified to in court. The evil always laugh as
devilishly as they can. Ming the Merciless did it too.

Is any adult to take this seriously? Of course not. Only holohuggers believe
this sort of crap.

>She recalls events of Jews struck and shot on Dobinko. In Dobinko the
>Jews were loaded on wagon trains that went to Charabishow.

>Planes flew over the train shooting with machine guns into the wagons.
>They lowered the planes so that we could see the faces of pilots.

And the pilots were also shooting at the drivers and the engine/horses of these
wagons, depending upon translation.

And
>when they stopped the shooting for a while we heard them laughing. The
>devilish laughter deafened the screaming of those laughing.

Devilish laughter heard from pilots in the air over the noise of the engine.
Real true holohugger fantasy life here. And they could see the faces of pilots
>from inside closed wagons. This woman certainly has to be paid for this
performance.

>On the way somewhere near to Dubinko, they were taken out of the wagons
>and the men and women were forced to strip off their clothes and to
>begin dancing. The voice of Mrs. Lichtmann breaks off.

Ah, yes, dancing. Dancing to the devil’s tune no doubt. Very efficient these
Nazis.

>Her face reflects her feeling of tortures and inability to tell all. Her
>words shiver and only an echoe is heard of those awful days which
>had become from day to day more terrible.

A true whacko so far.

>They were kept on the ground only one day. It was fenced in with barbed
>wire and again they were loaded on the wagons, like cattle from the
>slaughter and brought to Sobibor. Usually the journey from Charobichow
>took several hours. But then it extended to eternity and no one,
>neither Mrs. Lichtmann nor someone else from the survivors, remembers
>how long they travelled in the closed wagons.

So who could remember how long they traveled in closed wagons when they could
remember the faces of the pilots from the closed wagons? This person is truly
psychotic.

>Nevertheless, the journey lasted for a few days and the German soldiers
>were amused by their victims. There on the station before Sobibor the
>Ukrainians broke into the wagons and plundered jewelry and those who did
>not succeed to take of the ring of their finger in time, had the ring
>taken off together with the finger… “You don’t need either the finger
>nor the ring any more” the wild Ukrainians consoled their victims! “Soon
>you will be broiled and soap will be made from you, dist”.

Certainly fingers were just pulled off.

Tell me the truth. This was written by Stephen King, right?

>The Polish farmers also waited in front of the entrance to Sobibor and
>shouted at the Jews in the transports. “Throw us your money, anyway it
>will not redeem you from death, you are going to the gas chamber.”

But it was a secret and the farmers could not know about it.

But here it is not a secret and they do know about it.

It is also an interesting speech. Maybe it translates to a chant.

You will note below that no one understood what was being said in the same
testimony.

> THE SPEECH TO THE TRANSPORTS

>The shouts of the Poles penetrated into the conscience of those weakened
>from hunger and thrust pains and agony and they started
>screaming and yelling thus deafening the camp.

>The SS-man Michel who was called by the camp inhabitants “the speaker”
>as he received the arrivals with a prepared speech, did not have what
> to say to the Polish Jews. Those were received with whips and
>gunshots. The Polish farmers also shouted at the Jews from Holland,
>Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Greece – but those did
>not understand the meaning of their shouts.

They did not understand the shouts. Then where did the translation of the chant
above come from? This witness?

>At their arrival to the camp they were welcomed with a speech by Michel:
>”You have to be disciplined. Strip off your clothes, make a nice bundle
>of them and attach them to the luggage, in order to recognize them
>immediately after the shower, because you will not receive other
>clothes here.”

Right, bundles of clothes. Every found a bundle of clothes. No one has.

>Among the transport of 7,000 men with whom Ada Lichtmann arrived in the
>year 1942 and who went on the same day to the gas chamber only three
>women survived chosen to work in the laundry. With an indication of his
>finger the SS-commander took her out of the line and asked her for
>profession. When she answered that she was a teacher he and his
>assistants broke out in laughter: “We will teach you to be a
>laundress… Choose two other girls.” Her closest friends Bela Sobol and
>Sarka Katz were already beyond the gate on the way to the crematorium,
>but she managed to get them out of the line.

In other words, like the soap threat earlier, she has no knowledge of what
happened after that point. The gassing all her fantasy.

>The Jews believed the Germans and in astonishing order they packed their
>belongings and after an hour not even one was alive, only a few
>craftsmen were allowed to survive.

But she has no way of knowing.

> SHOUTS GOING UP TO THE SKY IN THE NIGHT

>We three organized the laundry in the camp. Until then the German
>officers too were dirty and lice-infected. In the course of time the
>laundry was enlarged and women from other transports arriving daily were
>distributed to us. The judges realized how Mrs. Lichtmann hesitates in
>her narration and talk to her kindly: “Talk, remember as much as you
>can”.

They organized a non-existant laudry and then that non-existant laundry was
expanded.

Note here that the judge leads the witness. A typical war crimes tactic.

>The tension in the hall extended also to the memory of the woman. She
>feels the good eyes of Dr. Beinski on her and of the stenotypist, a
>Lieutenant in the police Mrs. Hela Koslowski who stops her tears while
>writing every word going out of her mouth.

>The Germans do not want to hear about what she knows to tell but what
>she has seen with her own eyes.

Who is it that does not want hearsay?

But how can she not tell about the
>shouts of women who arrived with the night transports.

That is a question and she can not tell because she did not witness it. What in
the hell does the author think witness means?

The heartbreaking
>shouts and screaming ceased for a moment and then once again beginning
>penetrating the limbs and soul. The SS-men boasted the next day that
>they raped the most beautiful women in front of the whole transport.

But she was not raped. Must have been real ugly.

>Generally the transports arrived during the day. Once on a hot summerday
>a transport arrived with thursty people as it had been for several
>days since they had tasted a drop of water. The SS-officer allowed some
>to go and fetch water, but there the “Unterscharfu”hrer” Michel was
>already waiting for them and he made them run to a dug uphole which
>served as a privy and forced them to smear their body and face with the
>excrement. And thus he brought them back to the thursty people of
>the transport. From another transport young men were forced to beat each
>other to death. The last one remaining from this terrible battle was
>shot by the Germans.

And all of this from what she did not witness. Quite amazing that this is
level of testimony that was introduced in capital trials. Even more interesting
that crossexamination was not permitted.

> HEROIC DEEDS IN SOBIBOR

>The stories of Mrs. Lichtmann and her husband whom she met in Sobibor
>after the revolt are horrifying.

>They tell how the semi-alive victims tried to maintain to the last
>moment not only their human faces but also their human soulds. They tell
>about women who tried to save their children and were desparately driven
>to perform heroic deeds: About young mothers who attempted with their
>own bodies to cover and to defend their children. They tell about the
>Jewish officer of the Spanish civil war who immediately after his
>arrival tried organizing a revolt. The Germans found out about it and
>they chose 72 men and sent them to the crematorium. This massacre was
>supervised by the “Oberscharfu”hrer” Frenzel whose trial is taking place
>at the present inferment. Returning from the scene of the murder he
>ordered the quick erection of a temporary stage out of some planks,
>called for the orchestra, gathered the women and told them to sing and
>dance.

Thank you, Steven Speilberg. Jewrassic Pork lives.

>This Frenzel once caught a boy red-handed, eating sardines, he gathered
>all the Jews from the barracks and in front of all he shot the child.

Eating sardines. Are they not Kosher?

>Sobibor did not become at once a concentration of plants and workshops.
>The camp gradually expanded, developed slowly, erecting all kind
>of workshops. There work was done only for the German officers and
>guards. Coats, dresses, furs were sewn there for them, their wives and
>mistresses. Very few Jews were sent to the forest to shop trees.
>Once the Jews of such a group attacked their guards, killed them and
>escaped. The Germans took revenge on other Jews. But all considered the
>heroism of the escaped as a miracle and dreamt of doing the same.

Giving the number of escapes from A-B and every camp this is old news.

> THE REBELLION COMMITTEE

>Sasha Pizurski who was brought to the camp with a group of prisoners of
>the Russian army immediately formed a committee to prepare a revolt. To
>this committee belonged also the heroes Leibl Feldhendler, Shaul
>Felischmann and others who strongly detested the Germans and had decided
>revenge.

Excuse me. It took people who detested to Germans to arrive to organize this
and yet the people there knew of 95%+ being gassed by them?

>In the barracks weapons were started to appear: axes and knives. How
>dangerous this was! How much courage, cunning, patience you had to use
>in order to conceal this. Many efforst of the spirit and mind, will and
>courage had to be used to take guns, rifles, bullets from the
>storehouses. The participants of this operation were divided into
>groups. The plan was worked out to the smallest details: Every group
>and its duties – really imaginative tasks: Some had to assault the
>guardtowers where the guards sat with machineguns; some had to tempt
>the officers into coming into the workshops; others had to attack the
>guards that were wandering about. Special men had to cut off the
>telephone and electricity lines and tear down the barbed wires – to make
>passage ways.

But gassing most of the arrivals was not enough.

> THE MALIGNENT BLOOD OF THE SS-MEN IS SHED

>The revolt was fixed for October 14, 1943. 700 condemned to death
>enthusiastically took their fate into their own hands. Until the
>prearranged sign was given every group had performed its tasks well.
>Nevertheless things which had not been expected in advance happened.
>Guns started firing from both sides, axes and knives greedy for blood
>shone in the air and the whole camp changed into a battlefield. On this
>day, October 14, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon there began on the
>hellground of Sobibor the shedding of the malignent blood of the SS-men
>and their Ukrainian assistants. Those who had been so sure of themselves
>when millions of innocent women and children were led to death, seemed
>now anxious and inferior, they became confused and ran like mice into
>the trap looking for a hiding place.

Sobibor gasse millions. How can the world have missed this.

>The SS-men and the police pursued the escapers. They mobilized airplanes
>and the Polish farmers of the area to help them pursue the fleeing Jews.
>Only a few pitied the victims and did not hand them over to the Germans.
>Out of 700 escaping from Sobibor only about 30 survived. Also Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann and two of her friends, one of them a Polish woman called
>Alina Stern-Sofermann, who is living in Israel succeeded, with help of
>some young Poles, in arriving to the partisans in the woods of Parzew
>and continued their war against the German army. But until they reached
>the forest they wandered around day and night around the camp, living
>of tree leaves and poisonous mushrooms that so burned their
>intestines that they wished to die.

They did not live off of them.

>They lowered their eyes and one of them was turning his head from side
>to side replied: “No, we did not easily agree to accept such a mission.
>It was forced upon us officially”. And the second added: “Its a good
>thing that you did not agree to come to Germany,,,, so we were enabled
>to come to Israel, a wonderful journey.” One of the present in the hall
>heard this conversation said: “The blood of the Jews shed by the Germans
>flowed like a river. Don’t you think that by defending the murderers you
>emphasize the responsibility of the German people of what took place.”
>The two defenders ignoring the question avoided answering and the
>question remained unanswered.

Most likely they would have been shot for doing so. That is the way the
holocaust works.

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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:10:57 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>
># As you have sided with Israeli murderers
>
>Never did any such thing; I pointed out that the attack on the
>Liberty was an error.

That is siding with murderers as it is clear it was not a mistake.

Just like the cases of “friendly fire”
>in the Gulf War. That’s my opinion. That’s also the opinion
>of Robert McNamara. Is he also a “traitor who sided with
>Israeli murderers”?

That means yuo are siding with murderers.

But as to McNamara, he and LBJ conspired to escalate the war in Vietnam by lying
about the Gulf of Tonkin incident so in fact there is nothing I would put passed
him. I have sugggested he be executed for doing that. He is hardly a person to
be trusted. Nor is he a person you should be referencing knowing what he did.
He has no reputation for honesty in public matters.

># I have little so day to you other than to regularly point out that
># you suppport cold blooded murder when done by Israel.
>
>So, it will be just one more lie you post.
>
># You have sided with murderers.
>
>Nope.

Very clearly you are one of the murderers in spirit. You would prefer to
believe Israel over the report of Americans who are those who the Isrealis were
trying to kill.

Traitorous scum!

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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 09:09:20 GMT, [email protected] (Angus M. McLellan) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> Of interest today is that Germany taking over the Rhineland is
>>presented as something that every nation took notice of and condemned.

>But not very loudly. Not even the French felt sufficiently aggrieved
>to order even a single soldier across the frontier.

>> In fact, at the time Germany moved on the Rhineland, Italy’s conquest
>>of Ethiopia using poison gas had the headlines and the diplomatic
>>limelight. That means there was no resources to devote to Germany’s
>>actions at the time.

>Assistance to Ethiopia appears to have escaped the notice of
>contemporary newspapers and subsequent historians. But Mr Giwer
>doubtless knows better.

I did not say there was any assistance to Ethiopia. Why do you say it?

>> As we can see, it is all in how one looks at it. It is how
>>government’s control public opinion.

>Does the US Goverment control Mr Giwer’s opinion ? Perhaps he should
>use a heavier grade of tinfoil to line his hat.

I am simply a member of the public but certainly the government hiding things
does control opinion. Or is that too complicated for you?

>> Another example is the German “invasion” of Poland. Rather what
>>Germany invaded was that part of Germany that had been given to Poland
>>as a result of WW I. England’s promise to defend Poland was not that
>>but rather a promise to defend the partition of Germany as established
>>by the Treaty of Versailles.

>The bit of Germany “given” to Poland in 1918-1919 had been German
>since 1871 since Germany didn’t exist prior to that date. And most of
>it had been Prussian since way back in the 1790s barring a short time
>when Napoleon filched bits to create the Grand Duchy of Warsaw. So,
>West (Royal) Prussia was occupied for 130 years, that doesn’t make it
>German any more than the Russian occupation of Finland for 110 years
>made Finland Russian, etc.

And? You want make an issue over the terms used today for governments that no
longer exist? But since you are into history you must also address the control
of the area by the order of the Teutonic Knights in the 15th and 16th centuries.

But in any event you fail to name any time when it was part of Poland.

>> It was against the reunification of Germany not in favor of Poland.
>>This explains England’s selective declaration of war against Germany
>>but not against Russia that took over what was left and which was
>>never part of Germany.

>The Anglo-Polish Treaty _specifically_ mentioned that it was directed
>against Germany; the USSR didn’t get a look in. Likewise, Giwer
>ignores the fact that there are two weeks between the German and
>Soviet invasions. It’s one thing to declare war on one powerful enemy,
>it’s Hitlerianly stupid to declare war on two. Etc.

As I said, it is good you agree England did not give a shit about Poland but was
looking for an excuse to make war on Germany.

>Giwer keeps trotting out the same old rubbish, the same old lies. They
>don’t improve with repetition. I’m sure I read somewhere that ad
>nauseam arguments aren’t common in usenet. Has anyone told Giwer or
>Moran ?

You do not appear to be adding much to this other than to demonstrate you
believe the same British that created the Zimmerman Note suddenly became
completely open and aboveboard just a few decades later. Or perhaps you are of
the opinion that WW II was the first war that had only one side to it.

If you do not ming my observing, either is quite naive.

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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 23:39:13 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes to me:

># And of course the physical evidence of Dresden does not
># require one bit of personal testimony.

>What “physical evidence of Dresden”? No such thing; you
>never posted any. According to your “standards of proof”,
>the city was never bombed.

># No one cares about whether or not Dresden occurs.

>Irrelevant. The point is that “revisionist logic” leads
>to the conclusion that the city was never bombed.

># Get that through your little skull.

>Get a job, you miserable failure.

>163 IQ he claims, and he’s been unemployed since he was
>46 years old… what a schmuck this Giwer is.

The point is that you are not bright enough to realize that no one is going to
take you seriously in the holohugger pretension that there is no physical
evidence of Dresden.

Lurkers are quite intelligent people, that is why they are here, to discover
there is another side to the holocaust stories.

What we are down to now are holohuggers pretending not to know what physical
evidence is. They are a small crowd in a very tight corner trying to cover up
what everyone knows, that there is not now nor was there ever any physical
evidence of holocaust gassing. Everyone knows there was no such evidence
presented at Nuremberg and none has been found since then.

That is the way it is. I can not change it.

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On 17 Sep 1996 20:22:51 -0400, [email protected] (Michael P. Stein)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>On 16 Sep 1996 11:28:43 GMT,
>>[email protected] (Richard Schultz) wrote:
>>
>>>Capt. Peter Peachfuzz ([email protected]) wrote:
>>
>>>: Excuse me. You claim the number has always been the same.
>>>: Therefore prior to the revision the total was
>>
>>>: 4 million + others = 6 million
>>
>>>: After the revision it was
>>
>>>: 1 million + others = 6 million
>>
>>>: Please explain which of the “others” increased at the same time
>>>: Auschwitz decreased. It is simple arithmetic. The “others” has to
>>>: have increased by 3 million. Which ones did?
>>
>>>Actually, the real question is just what Myshkin thinks he is accomplishing
>>>by reposting the same lie multiple times. Does he really think that we’ll
>>>suddenly lose our ability to refute it?
>>
>>If you wish to throw out the conclusions of the IMT as a lie you will have
>>to do more than simply declare it a lie. The IMT is the source of the
>>pre-Auschwitz revision.

> Of course Mr. Giwer does not give a reference. (Nor is it clear which
>figure he is talking about – the six million total, or four million for
>Auschwitz.)

I would have thought that even you would know that the IMT concluded 6 million
jewish deaths and that even today the number is in the same range.

>>>The estimates of the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust were done
>>>by numerous historians who used different methods.
>>
>> There have been only two historians in the business and they
>>arbitrarily and capriciously reject anything about the IMT they do not
>>happen to like.

> Again, an unsupported assertion. Typical Giwer.

Name more than two.

>>Dawidowicz, for example,
>>>obtained her figure of 5.9 million as the difference between pre- and
>>>post-war populations.
>>

>>Unfortunately that can only be based upon pre and post war European
>>populations in the years in which census were taken. That is hardly
>>rigorous as there no census that coincided with the beginning and end of
>>the war in the countries of interest.
>>
>> Nor does it deal with emmigration.

> I wonder if Mr. Giwer can provide physical evidence of this
>emigration.

I was unaware there was anyone who did not know of it. You may look up the
holohugger laments over the Nazis permitting jews to buy their way out of
Germany.

>>Nor does it deal with those who died going to, staying in, and returning from
>>Siberia.

> I wonder if Mr. Giwer can provide physical evidence of this.

Russian rail records of course.

>>Nor did the Soviet Union ever publish an honest census in its entire
>>existance.

> Other demographers made estimates as well.

The subject was census not estimates.

>>Nor does it identify a cause of death, such as honorable service in the Red
>>Army.

> A somewhat valid point which I have made myself.

Given that the Red Army claims around 30 million total deaths during that war, a
10% difference can account for all of it.

>>Nor does it take any fraction from the 31 million untraceable on any rational
>>basis.

> Another unsupported assertion.

In my day it was in all the grade school textbooks. Why is it you folks have
never heard of it?

>>Other than that, some uncritical people may be taken in by nonsense such as
>>that.

> Some uncritical people may also be taken in by the unsupported
>assertions of a confessed liar.

Unsupported? You folks would demand suppport for the sun rising in the east if
you thought it would support holohuggery.

>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html

That is the way things appear when they deliberately taken out of context for
the purposes of deception.

>>But it does coincide with the conclusion of all the investigations
>>conducted by four nations with complete and unrestricted access to all of
>>Europe.
>>
>>>She did not explicitly count the individual methods
>>>used, although she does quote Hoess’s estimate of 2.5 million killed at
>>>Auschwitz. On the other hand, Hilberg,

>> Hilberg was not then and is not now a historian. And do not forget that
>>as of 1989 he had spent exactly one day at Auschwitz. Quite the
>>researcher. But then he was officially a professor of PoliSci and Public
>>Affairs at the time. It was only later that someone bought a chair in
>>history for him.

> Mr. Giwer comments on many subjects for which he has no credentials.
>Now suddenly he demands credentials.

I did not demand credentials. I was simply pointing out that he has none as a
historian despite the holohuggers wanting to claim he is one.

>>>writing in 1961, came up with
>>>a figure of “at least” 5.1 million, and he did divide the number of
>>>deaths by category. He calculated that about 1 million people were
>>>killed at Auschwitz. He did that by subtracting the number of people
>>>left in Auschwitz at the time of its evacuation from the number of
>>>people sent there.

>> Impossible as by that method, recorded entries, all deaths are accounted
>>for by natural death, disease and accident. No gassing by that method.
>>The celestial buzzer is sounding.

> Now if Mr. Giwer had some documentation he’d have something. Alas,
>all he has is BECAUSE! I! SAY! SO!

> Psychic prediction: he will claim he has posted this documentation
>(but provide no URL or search strategy). And somehow DejaNews will not be
>able to find it. Again.

Actually the evidence in on Nizkor. They will help you find it. It is right
there if you know how to read it. It is sort of like the holohuggers
overlooking the situation in 1920s in Germany were government and academic, all
the secure jobs, were gotten by bribery.

>>>But the important point is that he used the “1 million
>>>plus others” to get a figure of over 5 million at a time when the
>>>”official” number killed at Auschwitz was still 4 million.
>>
>> Obviously you studied arithmetic in public school.

> Perhaps Mr. Giwer never studied reading at all.

Try arithmetic. You might like it.

>>>Now if we could just get him to post that physical evidence of the
>>>Dresen firestorm that he keeps promising us. . .
>>
>>It is all there if you are willing to admit it.

> So is the physical evidence for the Holocaust.

If you are willing to show me some, I will be happen to see it, even by
reference. So far the best anyone has come up with is no different from finding
DDT traces in old US buildings.

>>But then everything you have cited above are groundless estimates, not
>>physical evidence.

> So what? Mr. Giwer has made hundreds of claims and provided no
>physical evidence for them. But intellectual consistency has never been
>his strong suit.

Rather I have provided many examples, but even one example puts me way ahead of
holohuggers.

> So just where is the physical evidence for that Dresden firestorm he
>claimed happened? (Note that this is not the same thing as a big fire
>such as happened in London or Chicago.) Still waiting.

You do not read the newsgroup do you?

The holohuggers are getting rather desparate here.

For months they have tried to distract the discussion from the complete and
total lack of any physical evidence of gassing during the holocaust. They do
not want it discussed that not one bit of physical evidence of gassing was
presented at Nuremberg.

They do not want it well known that every bit of the gassing is based upon the
same eyewitnesses who swore to mass executions by steam, electrocution and
suffocation.

Their problem is if they admit there is not and has never been any physical
evidence presented then they have to deal with all the evidence being from
witnesses who swore under oath to all kinds of impossible things, such as
burning people without fuel, infecting them people with cancer, being gassed six
times and living to tell about it and the like.

Their “best” gambit so far has been to pretend that there is no physical
evidence of the firebombing of Dresden. In doing so they claim that all the
documentation of the planning, the inventory records, personnel assignments,
bomb camera films, damage assessment films and hundreds of other things are not
physical evidence. The physical evidence of Dresden is so complete that it
could be reconstructed without one bit of testimony.

Rather they would pretend that everything that is known about Dresden depends
upon eyewitness accounts. Of course, only holohugger is dumb enough to believe
such a thing. Everyone else knows better, even they know better.

But when the purpose is to preserve holocaust belief, those who promote is are
willing to lie and to attempt to mislead anyone who points out the truth. It is
not surprising that so many of the holohuggers are stereotyped as liars and
deceivers.

It also clear that those who depend upon eyewitnesses only put their holocaust
in the same category as UFO abductions and witchcraft. Neither have any
physical evidence, both depend upon eye witness reports only, just like the
holocaust.

But even worse than witnesses at Nuremberg swearing to impossible things, we
find that only a few of these witnesses ever appeared in court. Nor was there
testimony introduced as sworn affidavits. They were generally simple typed
documents in some language, with or without a translation, and they were
accepted by the court and the defense was not permitted to object.

Thus we have so much court accepted “evidence” of the impossible.

But above all, there is no physical evidence of gassing and none was introduced
at Nuremberg. This is the clear fact that holohuggers want to hide at all
costs. Pointing out the lack clearly puts UFO abductions and witchcraft in the
same category as their favorite gassing.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 16 Sep 1996 20:29 MST, [email protected] (Danny Mittleman)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Richard Schultz) writes…
>>Capt. Peter Peachfuzz ([email protected]) wrote:
>>
>>: Excuse me. You claim the number has always been the same.
>>: Therefore prior to the revision the total was
>>: 4 million + others = 6 million
>>: After the revision it was
>>: 1 million + others = 6 million
>>: Please explain which of the “others” increased at the same time
>>: Auschwitz decreased. It is simple arithmetic. The “others” has to
>>: have increased by 3 million. Which ones did?
>>
>>Actually, the real question is just what Myshkin thinks he is accomplishing
>>by reposting the same lie multiple times. Does he really think that we’ll
>>suddenly lose our ability to refute it?

> [refutation deleted]

> No, Giwer realizes that he will be refuted. He has other reasons for
> posting such obvious lies. Consider what he said in Message-ID
> <[email protected]>:

> “You keep reading [my posts] and keep posting about them.
> That will waste your time while I concentrate on posting the
> idiocies of the holohuggers. I will post just enough to you
> folks to keep you interested and keep your limited time
> wasted. I have 18 hours a day seven days a week if I wish.”

> Mr. Giwer is, as he admits above, a troller whose only interest is in
> causing fights. While he can sound plausible, he has lied about what
> has been said in exchanges (while accusing others of lying), refused to
> document claims, pretended not to see posts which contain documented
> refutation of his claims (even when they have been emailed to him),
> engaged in actual libel, and generally conducted himself with such
> complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity that it seems
> counterproductive to take the time to read and respond to him.

> For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to
> http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt and the
> various subdirectories beneath this.

> daniel david mittleman
>===========================================================================
> For more information on the Holocaust see The Nizkor Project
> Europe: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
> North America: https://nizkor.org/

The holohuggers are getting rather desparate here.

For months they have tried to distract the discussion from the complete and
total lack of any physical evidence of gassing during the holocaust. They do
not want it discussed that not one bit of physical evidence of gassing was
presented at Nuremberg.

They do not want it well known that every bit of the gassing is based upon the
same eyewitnesses who swore to mass executions by steam, electrocution and
suffocation.

Their problem is if they admit there is not and has never been any physical
evidence presented then they have to deal with all the evidence being from
witnesses who swore under oath to all kinds of impossible things, such as
burning people without fuel, infecting them people with cancer, being gassed six
times and living to tell about it and the like.

Their “best” gambit so far has been to pretend that there is no physical
evidence of the firebombing of Dresden. In doing so they claim that all the
documentation of the planning, the inventory records, personnel assignments,
bomb camera films, damage assessment films and hundreds of other things are not
physical evidence. The physical evidence of Dresden is so complete that it
could be reconstructed without one bit of testimony.

Rather they would pretend that everything that is known about Dresden depends
upon eyewitness accounts. Of course, only holohugger is dumb enough to believe
such a thing. Everyone else knows better, even they know better.

But when the purpose is to preserve holocaust belief, those who promote is are
willing to lie and to attempt to mislead anyone who points out the truth. It is
not surprising that so many of the holohuggers are stereotyped as liars and
deceivers.

It also clear that those who depend upon eyewitnesses only put their holocaust
in the same category as UFO abductions and witchcraft. Neither have any
physical evidence, both depend upon eye witness reports only, just like the
holocaust.

But even worse than witnesses at Nuremberg swearing to impossible things, we
find that only a few of these witnesses ever appeared in court. Nor was there
testimony introduced as sworn affidavits. They were generally simple typed
documents in some language, with or without a translation, and they were
accepted by the court and the defense was not permitted to object.

Thus we have so much court accepted “evidence” of the impossible.

But above all, there is no physical evidence of gassing and none was introduced
at Nuremberg. This is the clear fact that holohuggers want to hide at all
costs. Pointing out the lack clearly puts UFO abductions and witchcraft in the
same category as their favorite gassing.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: Ivan Dem’yanyuk at Sobibor
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 23:21:09 GMT
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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:38:18, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>> Why would I want a job? What would I do with it?

>Support yourself and stop being a leech? (You’ve admitted that you don’t have
>money put away, after all.)

I fail to see how living upon my annuity is being a leech. It is mine, it pays
me. Are you suggesting that I can leech off of myself?

You do know what an annuity is, do you not? If case have missed it, an annuity
is a thing that you pay into for years and then it pays you back for years.

Why do you not set one up and live on it?

As to what you think I have admitted, you obviously have read incorrectly.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 19 07:41:13 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Ausrotten again
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 23:53:26 GMT
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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 21:26:21 GMT, [email protected] (Miloslav Bilik)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>On Mon, 09 Sep 1996 21:08:06 GMT, [email protected] (Miloslav
>>Bilik) wrote:

>>>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>>> As has been discussed in depth here, the polish report is worthless as
>>>>it has only one data point.

>>>THREE datas for each point. Reread it:

>>>

>>>Auschwitz cellars of Block 11
>>> 13 28, 24, 24
>>> 14 20, 16, 16
>>> 15 0

>>>

>>>You see: three points except if the data is null (one null point means
>>>that the three are too, even if not). Ever three points in any other
>>>case.

>>>Do you understand ? or is it too hard ?

>> Read it again. The 0 was taken from the “once or never” places
>>without discrimination thust they could all have been from teh “never”
>>places in which case there is no datat point.

>> Or is that too hard for you?

>Pfuhh.. “Each sample of materials was analysed three times. If the
>result was positive, if was verified by repeating the analysis. Having
>applied this method for many years, we have opportunities to find its
>high sensitivity, specificity and precision. Under present
>circumstances we established the lower limit of determinability of
>cyanide ions at a level of 3-4 ug CN- in 1 kg of the sample”.

>One point, indeed ?

Read it again. The “zero” can have come from places where it was never used. f
the other samples had been taken from barracks where it was known to have been
used and the number of times it had been used there would be another data point.
It could also be larger than this measurement but we will never know.

This only thing this can pretend to show is that there were more traces than in
places that were rarely exposed to HCN. But quite simply in these measurements
they may never have been exposed to HCN so a zero is meaningless.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 19 07:41:14 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Matt Giwer, here’s the directions you wanted..
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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 20:40:13 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) whines:

># After all, just how much harrassment do you expect a
># person to take?

>You’re a pathological liar.

>You don’t have a job.

>Everything you write about any technical subject whatsoever
>is totally, absolutely, and completely false.

>You are unemployed since you were 46, as you have posted
>yourself.

>You’re the most vulgar poster to the net I’ve ever seen.

>You can’t get a job.

>Your life is a failure.

I was not aware you were such a great success.

Haven’t even made your first mortgage payment and you think you are hot shit.

Your great wisdom in life should be an objective for everyone.

After all, your entire ego is built around the job you have and the money you
make. You think it will attract females and get you layed.

You really still think you can make a difference in the world. Some day you may
wake up and realize you are nothing but a slave to your own expectations and the
whims of others. Then, if you have sense, you simply walk away.

But is clear that to you, success means a job. That is all there is to you,
that standard issue middle class American dream.

Tell me, after you have played out the charade what will you do when you realize
you did not die with the most toys but that you are still dead?

Do you have any objective in life other than having more material goods than
your neighbor?

Danny-boy, you are a fine example of all that is wrong with American culture in
that you think all of the above is insulting. Have you never looked in a mirror
and realized that you are nothing but a job?

There is no Daniel Keren. There is only a animated carcass that judges himself
based upon his achievement of social expectations. There is no real you.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 19 07:41:15 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars…
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On 16 Sep 1996 22:34:04 -0400, [email protected] (Ceacaa) wrote:

>Security at Crema II and III

>According to Standard Holocaust Mythology (STM)
>Crema II and III were the home of hundreds
>of “Sondercomandos”. These were healthy
>men who supposedly ran the gas chambers.
>They organized and sorted the clothing
>and belongings of hundreds of thousands
>(or millions) of victims. Every few months
>(STM) they were all killed.
> One would imagine that the security arrangements
>guarding these condemed men would be rather
>high, especially as the Soviet armies approached
>the Camp.
> Oddly enough, the records and plans of the
>Cremas LACK any sign of heightened security.
>No bars on windows, on locks on doors, no
>special fittings such as bolt holes. As noted
>in a posting of several days ago, Crema III
>was only watched by a small guardtower with
>windows that didn’t open!
> Exterminations have no explaination for this.

Were you here when the holohuggers dug up some SK testimony about sleeping in
the gas chamber and then they all swore it had to be true?
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Giwer Blows it for the Nth Time and lies while he is at it…
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On 17 Sep 1996 01:42:00 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>: On 16 Sep 1996 05:02:23 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
>: wrote:

>: >To support your claim that “The nazis did no such thing,” you falsely
>: >quoted the original article as “cannot become.” You did this without
>: >deleting the original, either because you subconsciously want to be
>: >caught at this sort of thing or because you are an idiot. The “question,”
>: >therefore, is based on your mendacity, and ceases to exist.

>: Since you have such knowledgeable disagreement with what I have
>: posted, will you please post the evidence of Jews being stripped of
>: citizenship? It is a legal process. I person has to be identified as
>: Jewish according to some criteria and then the citizenship formally
>: removed in court.

>No, Matt–you’re not going to change the subject. That the Nazis
>stripped Jews of their citizenship is not controversial, even among
>deniers. This is a non-argument–you’re trolling.

Excuse me. It did not happen. Is that clear enough? You are invited to post
cases of the removal of citizenship or laws requiring same. Or are you going to
claim it was another of those undocumented things like the gassing?

>The question on the table is this: why did you change the wording
>of the original post so that it read “cannot become” rather than
>”cannot be”?

Because jews were citizens and remained citizens.

The only people in Europe in that time frame stripping people of citizenship
were the Poles stripping Silesians of Polish citizenship and pushing them across
the border into Germany.

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Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:39:19 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> Stealing is stealing regardless of what you wish. Dropping US
>and German
>> subisdies the per capita income of Israel drops 20-30%. So what? It a US
>> version of Cuba simply not abandoned.
>>
>> But the Cold War is over. We no longer need Israel to sell us
>captured Soviet
>> weapons. And despite the fantasy, ALL captured weapons were sold, not
>given, to
>> the US. It was always a matter of profit.
>>
>> Some friends.
>>
>> Some allies.
>>
>> Fucking murderers.

>An interesting, though completely off-topic, diatribe, Mr. Giwer.
>
>However.
>
>It does NOT address MY comment to you, which is that you’re completely
>illiterate.
>
>It’s a wonderful non-sequiter, but proves that you also have serious
>problems with reading comprehension.
>
>But you knew that.

You brought up stealing. I responded with examples. You have a problem with
that?

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Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Thu Sep 19 07:41:17 PDT 1996
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On 17 Sep 1996 13:56:23 GMT, [email protected] (Richard Schultz) wrote:

>Capt. Peter Peachfuzz ([email protected]) wrote:

>: And do you really think I do not almost but avoid saying what you are
>: looking for deliberately?

>Now it can be revealed — “Matt Giwer” is *really* William S. Burroughs.
>Which explains both the drug-induced hallucinatory nature of “Giwer’s”
>posts as well as his methodology of taking a coherent sentence written
>on a piece of paper, cutting it apart, and putting the pieces back together
>at random.

>No wonder I never see the two of them together. . .

>—–
>Richard Schultz [email protected]
>Department of Chemistry tel: 972-3-531-8065
>Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
>—–
>”I have, if you will forgive the expression, known several bastards
>with very high IQs.”
> –J. Bronowski
On 3 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA) wrote:

>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.016
>Last-modified: 1993/03/22

> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])

> [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]

> THE TRIAL OF THE EXECUTIONER OF SOBIBOR
> Shimon Kanz

>A jury of judges, prosecutors and defendors who arrived from
>Germany and headed by the Israeli judge Dr. Beniski, heard testimony for
>3 days at the court of Tel Aviv. The testimony was given by Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann who survived after the revolt and who had refused to go to
>Germany in order to testify at the trial of the executioners of Sobibor.
>Her testimony led to a loud and stubborn victory of the persecution
> over the defense. The more she continued in her descriptions of
>the hell she had experienced the more appeased the noise of the
>prosecutors and their questions and comments stopped and they lowered
>their heads.

>In the eyes of the Jewish judge, who himself had tasted the camps of
>Hitler, stood tears and his voice hardly found its way through throat.

Obviously not impartial but then this is Israel.

> SPECTACLES OF CRUELTY

>”Don’t ask me for exact dates”, said Mrs. Lichtmann to the provocating
>and torturing questions of the lawyers. “At that time no calender
>existed but on the other hand I remember the events of those days which
>I am describing because they will remain deeply rooted in my memory
>throughout my life.”

It appears that unlike the war crimes trials, the defense was permitted a
meaningful crossexamination.

>The awful depressed the mood and atmosphere of the courtroom. Horrow
>accompanied the route from Krakow from where the Germans had openly
>exiled her, through Miliz, Dubinki, Charaschow, and other places on the
>bloody road to Sobibor. Physical and mental pains, blows and
>humiliations. Her husband Mark Weismann was killed with stones during
>the work in the camp Postak.

“Stone him. Stone him.”

“Jehovah! Jehovah!”

Stoned? Who biblical. But maybe he really just inhaled.

>The strikes and blows of the SS-men and Ukrainians while passing the
>”Spalier” (their lines) before the entrance of the concentration points.

>Already at the beginning of her simple words the lips whispered
>automatically: “Is this possible?” From where did this woman with her
>delicate face and blue eyes, take the strength to endure these tortures?
>From where did she have the strength to tell again of her suffering?

She was a prostitute, professional witness and avoiding prosecution for her
treatment of women in the camps as were so many of the witnesses.

> DEVILISH LAUGHTER DEAFENS THE SCREAMING OF THE DYING

Devilish laughter. Melodrama testified to in court. The evil always laugh as
devilishly as they can. Ming the Merciless did it too.

Is any adult to take this seriously? Of course not. Only holohuggers believe
this sort of crap.

>She recalls events of Jews struck and shot on Dobinko. In Dobinko the
>Jews were loaded on wagon trains that went to Charabishow.

>Planes flew over the train shooting with machine guns into the wagons.
>They lowered the planes so that we could see the faces of pilots.

And the pilots were also shooting at the drivers and the engine/horses of these
wagons, depending upon translation.

And
>when they stopped the shooting for a while we heard them laughing. The
>devilish laughter deafened the screaming of those laughing.

Devilish laughter heard from pilots in the air over the noise of the engine.
Real true holohugger fantasy life here. And they could see the faces of pilots
>from inside closed wagons. This woman certainly has to be paid for this
performance.

>On the way somewhere near to Dubinko, they were taken out of the wagons
>and the men and women were forced to strip off their clothes and to
>begin dancing. The voice of Mrs. Lichtmann breaks off.

Ah, yes, dancing. Dancing to the devil’s tune no doubt. Very efficient these
Nazis.

>Her face reflects her feeling of tortures and inability to tell all. Her
>words shiver and only an echoe is heard of those awful days which
>had become from day to day more terrible.

A true whacko so far.

>They were kept on the ground only one day. It was fenced in with barbed
>wire and again they were loaded on the wagons, like cattle from the
>slaughter and brought to Sobibor. Usually the journey from Charobichow
>took several hours. But then it extended to eternity and no one,
>neither Mrs. Lichtmann nor someone else from the survivors, remembers
>how long they travelled in the closed wagons.

So who could remember how long they traveled in closed wagons when they could
remember the faces of the pilots from the closed wagons? This person is truly
psychotic.

>Nevertheless, the journey lasted for a few days and the German soldiers
>were amused by their victims. There on the station before Sobibor the
>Ukrainians broke into the wagons and plundered jewelry and those who did
>not succeed to take of the ring of their finger in time, had the ring
>taken off together with the finger… “You don’t need either the finger
>nor the ring any more” the wild Ukrainians consoled their victims! “Soon
>you will be broiled and soap will be made from you, dist”.

Certainly fingers were just pulled off.

Tell me the truth. This was written by Stephen King, right?

>The Polish farmers also waited in front of the entrance to Sobibor and
>shouted at the Jews in the transports. “Throw us your money, anyway it
>will not redeem you from death, you are going to the gas chamber.”

But it was a secret and the farmers could not know about it.

But here it is not a secret and they do know about it.

It is also an interesting speech. Maybe it translates to a chant.

You will note below that no one understood what was being said in the same
testimony.

> THE SPEECH TO THE TRANSPORTS

>The shouts of the Poles penetrated into the conscience of those weakened
>from hunger and thrust pains and agony and they started
>screaming and yelling thus deafening the camp.

>The SS-man Michel who was called by the camp inhabitants “the speaker”
>as he received the arrivals with a prepared speech, did not have what
> to say to the Polish Jews. Those were received with whips and
>gunshots. The Polish farmers also shouted at the Jews from Holland,
>Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Greece – but those did
>not understand the meaning of their shouts.

They did not understand the shouts. Then where did the translation of the chant
above come from? This witness?

>At their arrival to the camp they were welcomed with a speech by Michel:
>”You have to be disciplined. Strip off your clothes, make a nice bundle
>of them and attach them to the luggage, in order to recognize them
>immediately after the shower, because you will not receive other
>clothes here.”

Right, bundles of clothes. Every found a bundle of clothes. No one has.

>Among the transport of 7,000 men with whom Ada Lichtmann arrived in the
>year 1942 and who went on the same day to the gas chamber only three
>women survived chosen to work in the laundry. With an indication of his
>finger the SS-commander took her out of the line and asked her for
>profession. When she answered that she was a teacher he and his
>assistants broke out in laughter: “We will teach you to be a
>laundress… Choose two other girls.” Her closest friends Bela Sobol and
>Sarka Katz were already beyond the gate on the way to the crematorium,
>but she managed to get them out of the line.

In other words, like the soap threat earlier, she has no knowledge of what
happened after that point. The gassing all her fantasy.

>The Jews believed the Germans and in astonishing order they packed their
>belongings and after an hour not even one was alive, only a few
>craftsmen were allowed to survive.

But she has no way of knowing.

> SHOUTS GOING UP TO THE SKY IN THE NIGHT

>We three organized the laundry in the camp. Until then the German
>officers too were dirty and lice-infected. In the course of time the
>laundry was enlarged and women from other transports arriving daily were
>distributed to us. The judges realized how Mrs. Lichtmann hesitates in
>her narration and talk to her kindly: “Talk, remember as much as you
>can”.

They organized a non-existant laudry and then that non-existant laundry was
expanded.

Note here that the judge leads the witness. A typical war crimes tactic.

>The tension in the hall extended also to the memory of the woman. She
>feels the good eyes of Dr. Beinski on her and of the stenotypist, a
>Lieutenant in the police Mrs. Hela Koslowski who stops her tears while
>writing every word going out of her mouth.

>The Germans do not want to hear about what she knows to tell but what
>she has seen with her own eyes.

Who is it that does not want hearsay?

But how can she not tell about the
>shouts of women who arrived with the night transports.

That is a question and she can not tell because she did not witness it. What in
the hell does the author think witness means?

The heartbreaking
>shouts and screaming ceased for a moment and then once again beginning
>penetrating the limbs and soul. The SS-men boasted the next day that
>they raped the most beautiful women in front of the whole transport.

But she was not raped. Must have been real ugly.

>Generally the transports arrived during the day. Once on a hot summerday
>a transport arrived with thursty people as it had been for several
>days since they had tasted a drop of water. The SS-officer allowed some
>to go and fetch water, but there the “Unterscharfu”hrer” Michel was
>already waiting for them and he made them run to a dug uphole which
>served as a privy and forced them to smear their body and face with the
>excrement. And thus he brought them back to the thursty people of
>the transport. From another transport young men were forced to beat each
>other to death. The last one remaining from this terrible battle was
>shot by the Germans.

And all of this from what she did not witness. Quite amazing that this is
level of testimony that was introduced in capital trials. Even more interesting
that crossexamination was not permitted.

> HEROIC DEEDS IN SOBIBOR

>The stories of Mrs. Lichtmann and her husband whom she met in Sobibor
>after the revolt are horrifying.

>They tell how the semi-alive victims tried to maintain to the last
>moment not only their human faces but also their human soulds. They tell
>about women who tried to save their children and were desparately driven
>to perform heroic deeds: About young mothers who attempted with their
>own bodies to cover and to defend their children. They tell about the
>Jewish officer of the Spanish civil war who immediately after his
>arrival tried organizing a revolt. The Germans found out about it and
>they chose 72 men and sent them to the crematorium. This massacre was
>supervised by the “Oberscharfu”hrer” Frenzel whose trial is taking place
>at the present inferment. Returning from the scene of the murder he
>ordered the quick erection of a temporary stage out of some planks,
>called for the orchestra, gathered the women and told them to sing and
>dance.

Thank you, Steven Speilberg. Jewrassic Pork lives.

>This Frenzel once caught a boy red-handed, eating sardines, he gathered
>all the Jews from the barracks and in front of all he shot the child.

Eating sardines. Are they not Kosher?

>Sobibor did not become at once a concentration of plants and workshops.
>The camp gradually expanded, developed slowly, erecting all kind
>of workshops. There work was done only for the German officers and
>guards. Coats, dresses, furs were sewn there for them, their wives and
>mistresses. Very few Jews were sent to the forest to shop trees.
>Once the Jews of such a group attacked their guards, killed them and
>escaped. The Germans took revenge on other Jews. But all considered the
>heroism of the escaped as a miracle and dreamt of doing the same.

Giving the number of escapes from A-B and every camp this is old news.

> THE REBELLION COMMITTEE

>Sasha Pizurski who was brought to the camp with a group of prisoners of
>the Russian army immediately formed a committee to prepare a revolt. To
>this committee belonged also the heroes Leibl Feldhendler, Shaul
>Felischmann and others who strongly detested the Germans and had decided
>revenge.

Excuse me. It took people who detested to Germans to arrive to organize this
and yet the people there knew of 95%+ being gassed by them?

>In the barracks weapons were started to appear: axes and knives. How
>dangerous this was! How much courage, cunning, patience you had to use
>in order to conceal this. Many efforst of the spirit and mind, will and
>courage had to be used to take guns, rifles, bullets from the
>storehouses. The participants of this operation were divided into
>groups. The plan was worked out to the smallest details: Every group
>and its duties – really imaginative tasks: Some had to assault the
>guardtowers where the guards sat with machineguns; some had to tempt
>the officers into coming into the workshops; others had to attack the
>guards that were wandering about. Special men had to cut off the
>telephone and electricity lines and tear down the barbed wires – to make
>passage ways.

But gassing most of the arrivals was not enough.

> THE MALIGNENT BLOOD OF THE SS-MEN IS SHED

>The revolt was fixed for October 14, 1943. 700 condemned to death
>enthusiastically took their fate into their own hands. Until the
>prearranged sign was given every group had performed its tasks well.
>Nevertheless things which had not been expected in advance happened.
>Guns started firing from both sides, axes and knives greedy for blood
>shone in the air and the whole camp changed into a battlefield. On this
>day, October 14, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon there began on the
>hellground of Sobibor the shedding of the malignent blood of the SS-men
>and their Ukrainian assistants. Those who had been so sure of themselves
>when millions of innocent women and children were led to death, seemed
>now anxious and inferior, they became confused and ran like mice into
>the trap looking for a hiding place.

Sobibor gasse millions. How can the world have missed this.

>The SS-men and the police pursued the escapers. They mobilized airplanes
>and the Polish farmers of the area to help them pursue the fleeing Jews.
>Only a few pitied the victims and did not hand them over to the Germans.
>Out of 700 escaping from Sobibor only about 30 survived. Also Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann and two of her friends, one of them a Polish woman called
>Alina Stern-Sofermann, who is living in Israel succeeded, with help of
>some young Poles, in arriving to the partisans in the woods of Parzew
>and continued their war against the German army. But until they reached
>the forest they wandered around day and night around the camp, living
>of tree leaves and poisonous mushrooms that so burned their
>intestines that they wished to die.

They did not live off of them.

>They lowered their eyes and one of them was turning his head from side
>to side replied: “No, we did not easily agree to accept such a mission.
>It was forced upon us officially”. And the second added: “Its a good
>thing that you did not agree to come to Germany,,,, so we were enabled
>to come to Israel, a wonderful journey.” One of the present in the hall
>heard this conversation said: “The blood of the Jews shed by the Germans
>flowed like a river. Don’t you think that by defending the murderers you
>emphasize the responsibility of the German people of what took place.”
>The two defenders ignoring the question avoided answering and the
>question remained unanswered.

Most likely they would have been shot for doing so. That is the way the
holocaust works.

=====

http://www.codoh.com/

=====

There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Thu Sep 19 07:41:18 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: If Ole walks like a duck, and Ole talks like a….
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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:36:08 -0400, Alec Grynspan wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>>
>> Quite true. It would be good for everyone to know that he came to power through
>> constitutional means and that the government he replaced was governing
>> unconstitutionally.

>Congratulations, Matt – you have now demonstrated TOTAL ignorance!

Why do you not post your great knowledge on the subject?

That was rhetorical. All you know comes in megabytes that you have read,
murderer.

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There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Thu Sep 19 07:41:19 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 17 Sep 1996 16:51:52 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:

>: You mean like Yid beanies?

>Lurkers will note that Matt has repeatedly claimed he is not an
>antisemite.

It is a beanie isn’t it? How does it differ from a beanie? Perhaps you are
suggesting that people who speak Yiddish do not wear them?

Please be specific in your response?
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There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Thu Sep 19 07:59:53 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 19:18:02 -0400, [email protected] (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> Neither of them have said anything about the holocaust. They
>have only erased
>> the absurdities from the Nuremberg trial testimony. Of course they have never
>> justified what they have omitted based upon other than considering those parts
>> absurd. Neither of them have ever explained why they kept the parts
>they did.

>> […deletia…]

>> Actually that had to have been responsible for 4.2 million
>deaths. But you know
>> that.

>Please note Message-ID <[email protected]> posted on
>or about September 6, 1996 in which Giwer states:

> “You keep reading [my posts] and keep posting about them.
> That will waste your time while I concentrate on posting the
> idiocies of the holohuggers. I will post just enough to you
> folks to keep you interested and keep your limited time
> wasted. I have 18 hours a day seven days a week if I wish.”

>Giwer is, as he admits above, a troller whose only interest is in
>causing fights. While he can sound plausible, he has lied about what
>has been said in exchanges (while accusing others of lying), refused to
>document claims, pretended not to see posts which contain documented
>refutation of his claims (even when they have been emailed to him),
>engaged in actual libel, and generally conducted himself with such
>complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity that it seems
>counterproductive to take the time to read and respond to him.

>For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to
>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt and the
>various subdirectories beneath this. Of particular interest will be:

> https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html
> https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html

>A Web-based guide to the Giwer files can be found at
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/ .

>JGB

>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown [email protected]
> “What’s going to happen?” “Something wonderful…” — ‘2010’
You appear to be rather new here. You should know that when mantras are posted
I respond with something the holohuggers would rather not read. So please
continue. It gives me the opportunity to post the long ones.

On 3 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA) wrote:

>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.016
>Last-modified: 1993/03/22

> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])

> [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]

> THE TRIAL OF THE EXECUTIONER OF SOBIBOR
> Shimon Kanz

>A jury of judges, prosecutors and defendors who arrived from
>Germany and headed by the Israeli judge Dr. Beniski, heard testimony for
>3 days at the court of Tel Aviv. The testimony was given by Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann who survived after the revolt and who had refused to go to
>Germany in order to testify at the trial of the executioners of Sobibor.
>Her testimony led to a loud and stubborn victory of the persecution
> over the defense. The more she continued in her descriptions of
>the hell she had experienced the more appeased the noise of the
>prosecutors and their questions and comments stopped and they lowered
>their heads.

>In the eyes of the Jewish judge, who himself had tasted the camps of
>Hitler, stood tears and his voice hardly found its way through throat.

Obviously not impartial but then this is Israel.

> SPECTACLES OF CRUELTY

>”Don’t ask me for exact dates”, said Mrs. Lichtmann to the provocating
>and torturing questions of the lawyers. “At that time no calender
>existed but on the other hand I remember the events of those days which
>I am describing because they will remain deeply rooted in my memory
>throughout my life.”

It appears that unlike the war crimes trials, the defense was permitted a
meaningful crossexamination.

>The awful depressed the mood and atmosphere of the courtroom. Horrow
>accompanied the route from Krakow from where the Germans had openly
>exiled her, through Miliz, Dubinki, Charaschow, and other places on the
>bloody road to Sobibor. Physical and mental pains, blows and
>humiliations. Her husband Mark Weismann was killed with stones during
>the work in the camp Postak.

“Stone him. Stone him.”

“Jehovah! Jehovah!”

Stoned? Who biblical. But maybe he really just inhaled.

>The strikes and blows of the SS-men and Ukrainians while passing the
>”Spalier” (their lines) before the entrance of the concentration points.

>Already at the beginning of her simple words the lips whispered
>automatically: “Is this possible?” From where did this woman with her
>delicate face and blue eyes, take the strength to endure these tortures?
>From where did she have the strength to tell again of her suffering?

She was a prostitute, professional witness and avoiding prosecution for her
treatment of women in the camps as were so many of the witnesses.

> DEVILISH LAUGHTER DEAFENS THE SCREAMING OF THE DYING

Devilish laughter. Melodrama testified to in court. The evil always laugh as
devilishly as they can. Ming the Merciless did it too.

Is any adult to take this seriously? Of course not. Only holohuggers believe
this sort of crap.

>She recalls events of Jews struck and shot on Dobinko. In Dobinko the
>Jews were loaded on wagon trains that went to Charabishow.

>Planes flew over the train shooting with machine guns into the wagons.
>They lowered the planes so that we could see the faces of pilots.

And the pilots were also shooting at the drivers and the engine/horses of these
wagons, depending upon translation.

And
>when they stopped the shooting for a while we heard them laughing. The
>devilish laughter deafened the screaming of those laughing.

Devilish laughter heard from pilots in the air over the noise of the engine.
Real true holohugger fantasy life here. And they could see the faces of pilots
>from inside closed wagons. This woman certainly has to be paid for this
performance.

>On the way somewhere near to Dubinko, they were taken out of the wagons
>and the men and women were forced to strip off their clothes and to
>begin dancing. The voice of Mrs. Lichtmann breaks off.

Ah, yes, dancing. Dancing to the devil’s tune no doubt. Very efficient these
Nazis.

>Her face reflects her feeling of tortures and inability to tell all. Her
>words shiver and only an echoe is heard of those awful days which
>had become from day to day more terrible.

A true whacko so far.

>They were kept on the ground only one day. It was fenced in with barbed
>wire and again they were loaded on the wagons, like cattle from the
>slaughter and brought to Sobibor. Usually the journey from Charobichow
>took several hours. But then it extended to eternity and no one,
>neither Mrs. Lichtmann nor someone else from the survivors, remembers
>how long they travelled in the closed wagons.

So who could remember how long they traveled in closed wagons when they could
remember the faces of the pilots from the closed wagons? This person is truly
psychotic.

>Nevertheless, the journey lasted for a few days and the German soldiers
>were amused by their victims. There on the station before Sobibor the
>Ukrainians broke into the wagons and plundered jewelry and those who did
>not succeed to take of the ring of their finger in time, had the ring
>taken off together with the finger… “You don’t need either the finger
>nor the ring any more” the wild Ukrainians consoled their victims! “Soon
>you will be broiled and soap will be made from you, dist”.

Certainly fingers were just pulled off.

Tell me the truth. This was written by Stephen King, right?

>The Polish farmers also waited in front of the entrance to Sobibor and
>shouted at the Jews in the transports. “Throw us your money, anyway it
>will not redeem you from death, you are going to the gas chamber.”

But it was a secret and the farmers could not know about it.

But here it is not a secret and they do know about it.

It is also an interesting speech. Maybe it translates to a chant.

You will note below that no one understood what was being said in the same
testimony.

> THE SPEECH TO THE TRANSPORTS

>The shouts of the Poles penetrated into the conscience of those weakened
>from hunger and thrust pains and agony and they started
>screaming and yelling thus deafening the camp.

>The SS-man Michel who was called by the camp inhabitants “the speaker”
>as he received the arrivals with a prepared speech, did not have what
> to say to the Polish Jews. Those were received with whips and
>gunshots. The Polish farmers also shouted at the Jews from Holland,
>Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Greece – but those did
>not understand the meaning of their shouts.

They did not understand the shouts. Then where did the translation of the chant
above come from? This witness?

>At their arrival to the camp they were welcomed with a speech by Michel:
>”You have to be disciplined. Strip off your clothes, make a nice bundle
>of them and attach them to the luggage, in order to recognize them
>immediately after the shower, because you will not receive other
>clothes here.”

Right, bundles of clothes. Every found a bundle of clothes. No one has.

>Among the transport of 7,000 men with whom Ada Lichtmann arrived in the
>year 1942 and who went on the same day to the gas chamber only three
>women survived chosen to work in the laundry. With an indication of his
>finger the SS-commander took her out of the line and asked her for
>profession. When she answered that she was a teacher he and his
>assistants broke out in laughter: “We will teach you to be a
>laundress… Choose two other girls.” Her closest friends Bela Sobol and
>Sarka Katz were already beyond the gate on the way to the crematorium,
>but she managed to get them out of the line.

In other words, like the soap threat earlier, she has no knowledge of what
happened after that point. The gassing all her fantasy.

>The Jews believed the Germans and in astonishing order they packed their
>belongings and after an hour not even one was alive, only a few
>craftsmen were allowed to survive.

But she has no way of knowing.

> SHOUTS GOING UP TO THE SKY IN THE NIGHT

>We three organized the laundry in the camp. Until then the German
>officers too were dirty and lice-infected. In the course of time the
>laundry was enlarged and women from other transports arriving daily were
>distributed to us. The judges realized how Mrs. Lichtmann hesitates in
>her narration and talk to her kindly: “Talk, remember as much as you
>can”.

They organized a non-existant laudry and then that non-existant laundry was
expanded.

Note here that the judge leads the witness. A typical war crimes tactic.

>The tension in the hall extended also to the memory of the woman. She
>feels the good eyes of Dr. Beinski on her and of the stenotypist, a
>Lieutenant in the police Mrs. Hela Koslowski who stops her tears while
>writing every word going out of her mouth.

>The Germans do not want to hear about what she knows to tell but what
>she has seen with her own eyes.

Who is it that does not want hearsay?

But how can she not tell about the
>shouts of women who arrived with the night transports.

That is a question and she can not tell because she did not witness it. What in
the hell does the author think witness means?

The heartbreaking
>shouts and screaming ceased for a moment and then once again beginning
>penetrating the limbs and soul. The SS-men boasted the next day that
>they raped the most beautiful women in front of the whole transport.

But she was not raped. Must have been real ugly.

>Generally the transports arrived during the day. Once on a hot summerday
>a transport arrived with thursty people as it had been for several
>days since they had tasted a drop of water. The SS-officer allowed some
>to go and fetch water, but there the “Unterscharfu”hrer” Michel was
>already waiting for them and he made them run to a dug uphole which
>served as a privy and forced them to smear their body and face with the
>excrement. And thus he brought them back to the thursty people of
>the transport. From another transport young men were forced to beat each
>other to death. The last one remaining from this terrible battle was
>shot by the Germans.

And all of this from what she did not witness. Quite amazing that this is
level of testimony that was introduced in capital trials. Even more interesting
that crossexamination was not permitted.

> HEROIC DEEDS IN SOBIBOR

>The stories of Mrs. Lichtmann and her husband whom she met in Sobibor
>after the revolt are horrifying.

>They tell how the semi-alive victims tried to maintain to the last
>moment not only their human faces but also their human soulds. They tell
>about women who tried to save their children and were desparately driven
>to perform heroic deeds: About young mothers who attempted with their
>own bodies to cover and to defend their children. They tell about the
>Jewish officer of the Spanish civil war who immediately after his
>arrival tried organizing a revolt. The Germans found out about it and
>they chose 72 men and sent them to the crematorium. This massacre was
>supervised by the “Oberscharfu”hrer” Frenzel whose trial is taking place
>at the present inferment. Returning from the scene of the murder he
>ordered the quick erection of a temporary stage out of some planks,
>called for the orchestra, gathered the women and told them to sing and
>dance.

Thank you, Steven Speilberg. Jewrassic Pork lives.

>This Frenzel once caught a boy red-handed, eating sardines, he gathered
>all the Jews from the barracks and in front of all he shot the child.

Eating sardines. Are they not Kosher?

>Sobibor did not become at once a concentration of plants and workshops.
>The camp gradually expanded, developed slowly, erecting all kind
>of workshops. There work was done only for the German officers and
>guards. Coats, dresses, furs were sewn there for them, their wives and
>mistresses. Very few Jews were sent to the forest to shop trees.
>Once the Jews of such a group attacked their guards, killed them and
>escaped. The Germans took revenge on other Jews. But all considered the
>heroism of the escaped as a miracle and dreamt of doing the same.

Giving the number of escapes from A-B and every camp this is old news.

> THE REBELLION COMMITTEE

>Sasha Pizurski who was brought to the camp with a group of prisoners of
>the Russian army immediately formed a committee to prepare a revolt. To
>this committee belonged also the heroes Leibl Feldhendler, Shaul
>Felischmann and others who strongly detested the Germans and had decided
>revenge.

Excuse me. It took people who detested to Germans to arrive to organize this
and yet the people there knew of 95%+ being gassed by them?

>In the barracks weapons were started to appear: axes and knives. How
>dangerous this was! How much courage, cunning, patience you had to use
>in order to conceal this. Many efforst of the spirit and mind, will and
>courage had to be used to take guns, rifles, bullets from the
>storehouses. The participants of this operation were divided into
>groups. The plan was worked out to the smallest details: Every group
>and its duties – really imaginative tasks: Some had to assault the
>guardtowers where the guards sat with machineguns; some had to tempt
>the officers into coming into the workshops; others had to attack the
>guards that were wandering about. Special men had to cut off the
>telephone and electricity lines and tear down the barbed wires – to make
>passage ways.

But gassing most of the arrivals was not enough.

> THE MALIGNENT BLOOD OF THE SS-MEN IS SHED

>The revolt was fixed for October 14, 1943. 700 condemned to death
>enthusiastically took their fate into their own hands. Until the
>prearranged sign was given every group had performed its tasks well.
>Nevertheless things which had not been expected in advance happened.
>Guns started firing from both sides, axes and knives greedy for blood
>shone in the air and the whole camp changed into a battlefield. On this
>day, October 14, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon there began on the
>hellground of Sobibor the shedding of the malignent blood of the SS-men
>and their Ukrainian assistants. Those who had been so sure of themselves
>when millions of innocent women and children were led to death, seemed
>now anxious and inferior, they became confused and ran like mice into
>the trap looking for a hiding place.

Sobibor gasse millions. How can the world have missed this.

>The SS-men and the police pursued the escapers. They mobilized airplanes
>and the Polish farmers of the area to help them pursue the fleeing Jews.
>Only a few pitied the victims and did not hand them over to the Germans.
>Out of 700 escaping from Sobibor only about 30 survived. Also Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann and two of her friends, one of them a Polish woman called
>Alina Stern-Sofermann, who is living in Israel succeeded, with help of
>some young Poles, in arriving to the partisans in the woods of Parzew
>and continued their war against the German army. But until they reached
>the forest they wandered around day and night around the camp, living
>of tree leaves and poisonous mushrooms that so burned their
>intestines that they wished to die.

They did not live off of them.

>They lowered their eyes and one of them was turning his head from side
>to side replied: “No, we did not easily agree to accept such a mission.
>It was forced upon us officially”. And the second added: “Its a good
>thing that you did not agree to come to Germany,,,, so we were enabled
>to come to Israel, a wonderful journey.” One of the present in the hall
>heard this conversation said: “The blood of the Jews shed by the Germans
>flowed like a river. Don’t you think that by defending the murderers you
>emphasize the responsibility of the German people of what took place.”
>The two defenders ignoring the question avoided answering and the
>question remained unanswered.

Most likely they would have been shot for doing so. That is the way the
holocaust works.

=====

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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 19:20:51 -0400, [email protected] (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> […deletia…]

>> If you wish to throw out the conclusions of the IMT as a lie you
>will have to do
>> more than simply declare it a lie. The IMT is the source of the pre-Auschwitz
>> revision.

>> […deletia…]

>> There have been only two historians in the business and they
>arbitrarily and
>> capriciously reject anything about the IMT they do not happen to like.

>> […deletia…]

>> Unfortunately that can only be based upon pre and post war
>European populations
>> in the years in which census were taken. That is hardly rigorous as there no
>> census that coincided with the beginning and end of the war in the
>countries of
>> interest.
>>
>> Nor does it deal with emmigration.
>>
>> Nor does it deal with those who died going to, staying in, and
>returning from
>> Siberia.
>>
>> Nor did the Soviet Union ever publish an honest census in its
>entire existance.
>>
>>
>> Nor does it identify a cause of death, such as honorable service
>in the Red
>> Army.
>>
>> Nor does it take any fraction from the 31 million untraceable on
>any rational
>> basis.
>>
>> Other than that, some uncritical people may be taken in by
>nonsense such as
>> that.
>>
>> But it does coincide with the conclusion of all the
>investigations conducted by
>> four nations with complete and unrestricted access to all of Europe.

>> […deletia…]

>> Hilberg was not then and is not now a historian. And do not
>forget that as of
>> 1989 he had spent exactly one day at Auschwitz. Quite the researcher.
>But then
>> he was officially a professor of PoliSci and Public Affairs at the
>time. It was
>> only later that someone bought a chair in history for him.

>> […deletia…]

>> Impossible as by that method, recorded entries, all deaths are
>accounted for by
>> natural death, disease and accident. No gassing by that method. The
>celestial
>> buzzer is sounding.
>>

>> […deletia…]

>> Obviously you studied arithmetic in public school.
>>

>> […deletia…]

>> It is all there if you are willing to admit it. But then
>everything you have
>> cited above are groundless estimates, not physical evidence.

>Please note Message-ID <[email protected]> posted on
>or about September 6, 1996 in which Giwer states:

> “You keep reading [my posts] and keep posting about them.
> That will waste your time while I concentrate on posting the
> idiocies of the holohuggers. I will post just enough to you
> folks to keep you interested and keep your limited time
> wasted. I have 18 hours a day seven days a week if I wish.”

>Giwer is, as he admits above, a troller whose only interest is in
>causing fights. While he can sound plausible, he has lied about what
>has been said in exchanges (while accusing others of lying), refused to
>document claims, pretended not to see posts which contain documented
>refutation of his claims (even when they have been emailed to him),
>engaged in actual libel, and generally conducted himself with such
>complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity that it seems
>counterproductive to take the time to read and respond to him.

>For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to
>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt and the
>various subdirectories beneath this. Of particular interest will be:

> https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html
> https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html

>A Web-based guide to the Giwer files can be found at
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/ .

>JGB

>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown [email protected]
> “What’s going to happen?” “Something wonderful…” — ‘2010’
On 3 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA) wrote:

>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.016
>Last-modified: 1993/03/22

> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])

> [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]

> THE TRIAL OF THE EXECUTIONER OF SOBIBOR
> Shimon Kanz

>A jury of judges, prosecutors and defendors who arrived from
>Germany and headed by the Israeli judge Dr. Beniski, heard testimony for
>3 days at the court of Tel Aviv. The testimony was given by Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann who survived after the revolt and who had refused to go to
>Germany in order to testify at the trial of the executioners of Sobibor.
>Her testimony led to a loud and stubborn victory of the persecution
> over the defense. The more she continued in her descriptions of
>the hell she had experienced the more appeased the noise of the
>prosecutors and their questions and comments stopped and they lowered
>their heads.

>In the eyes of the Jewish judge, who himself had tasted the camps of
>Hitler, stood tears and his voice hardly found its way through throat.

Obviously not impartial but then this is Israel.

> SPECTACLES OF CRUELTY

>”Don’t ask me for exact dates”, said Mrs. Lichtmann to the provocating
>and torturing questions of the lawyers. “At that time no calender
>existed but on the other hand I remember the events of those days which
>I am describing because they will remain deeply rooted in my memory
>throughout my life.”

It appears that unlike the war crimes trials, the defense was permitted a
meaningful crossexamination.

>The awful depressed the mood and atmosphere of the courtroom. Horrow
>accompanied the route from Krakow from where the Germans had openly
>exiled her, through Miliz, Dubinki, Charaschow, and other places on the
>bloody road to Sobibor. Physical and mental pains, blows and
>humiliations. Her husband Mark Weismann was killed with stones during
>the work in the camp Postak.

“Stone him. Stone him.”

“Jehovah! Jehovah!”

Stoned? Who biblical. But maybe he really just inhaled.

>The strikes and blows of the SS-men and Ukrainians while passing the
>”Spalier” (their lines) before the entrance of the concentration points.

>Already at the beginning of her simple words the lips whispered
>automatically: “Is this possible?” From where did this woman with her
>delicate face and blue eyes, take the strength to endure these tortures?
>From where did she have the strength to tell again of her suffering?

She was a prostitute, professional witness and avoiding prosecution for her
treatment of women in the camps as were so many of the witnesses.

> DEVILISH LAUGHTER DEAFENS THE SCREAMING OF THE DYING

Devilish laughter. Melodrama testified to in court. The evil always laugh as
devilishly as they can. Ming the Merciless did it too.

Is any adult to take this seriously? Of course not. Only holohuggers believe
this sort of crap.

>She recalls events of Jews struck and shot on Dobinko. In Dobinko the
>Jews were loaded on wagon trains that went to Charabishow.

>Planes flew over the train shooting with machine guns into the wagons.
>They lowered the planes so that we could see the faces of pilots.

And the pilots were also shooting at the drivers and the engine/horses of these
wagons, depending upon translation.

And
>when they stopped the shooting for a while we heard them laughing. The
>devilish laughter deafened the screaming of those laughing.

Devilish laughter heard from pilots in the air over the noise of the engine.
Real true holohugger fantasy life here. And they could see the faces of pilots
>from inside closed wagons. This woman certainly has to be paid for this
performance.

>On the way somewhere near to Dubinko, they were taken out of the wagons
>and the men and women were forced to strip off their clothes and to
>begin dancing. The voice of Mrs. Lichtmann breaks off.

Ah, yes, dancing. Dancing to the devil’s tune no doubt. Very efficient these
Nazis.

>Her face reflects her feeling of tortures and inability to tell all. Her
>words shiver and only an echoe is heard of those awful days which
>had become from day to day more terrible.

A true whacko so far.

>They were kept on the ground only one day. It was fenced in with barbed
>wire and again they were loaded on the wagons, like cattle from the
>slaughter and brought to Sobibor. Usually the journey from Charobichow
>took several hours. But then it extended to eternity and no one,
>neither Mrs. Lichtmann nor someone else from the survivors, remembers
>how long they travelled in the closed wagons.

So who could remember how long they traveled in closed wagons when they could
remember the faces of the pilots from the closed wagons? This person is truly
psychotic.

>Nevertheless, the journey lasted for a few days and the German soldiers
>were amused by their victims. There on the station before Sobibor the
>Ukrainians broke into the wagons and plundered jewelry and those who did
>not succeed to take of the ring of their finger in time, had the ring
>taken off together with the finger… “You don’t need either the finger
>nor the ring any more” the wild Ukrainians consoled their victims! “Soon
>you will be broiled and soap will be made from you, dist”.

Certainly fingers were just pulled off.

Tell me the truth. This was written by Stephen King, right?

>The Polish farmers also waited in front of the entrance to Sobibor and
>shouted at the Jews in the transports. “Throw us your money, anyway it
>will not redeem you from death, you are going to the gas chamber.”

But it was a secret and the farmers could not know about it.

But here it is not a secret and they do know about it.

It is also an interesting speech. Maybe it translates to a chant.

You will note below that no one understood what was being said in the same
testimony.

> THE SPEECH TO THE TRANSPORTS

>The shouts of the Poles penetrated into the conscience of those weakened
>from hunger and thrust pains and agony and they started
>screaming and yelling thus deafening the camp.

>The SS-man Michel who was called by the camp inhabitants “the speaker”
>as he received the arrivals with a prepared speech, did not have what
> to say to the Polish Jews. Those were received with whips and
>gunshots. The Polish farmers also shouted at the Jews from Holland,
>Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Greece – but those did
>not understand the meaning of their shouts.

They did not understand the shouts. Then where did the translation of the chant
above come from? This witness?

>At their arrival to the camp they were welcomed with a speech by Michel:
>”You have to be disciplined. Strip off your clothes, make a nice bundle
>of them and attach them to the luggage, in order to recognize them
>immediately after the shower, because you will not receive other
>clothes here.”

Right, bundles of clothes. Every found a bundle of clothes. No one has.

>Among the transport of 7,000 men with whom Ada Lichtmann arrived in the
>year 1942 and who went on the same day to the gas chamber only three
>women survived chosen to work in the laundry. With an indication of his
>finger the SS-commander took her out of the line and asked her for
>profession. When she answered that she was a teacher he and his
>assistants broke out in laughter: “We will teach you to be a
>laundress… Choose two other girls.” Her closest friends Bela Sobol and
>Sarka Katz were already beyond the gate on the way to the crematorium,
>but she managed to get them out of the line.

In other words, like the soap threat earlier, she has no knowledge of what
happened after that point. The gassing all her fantasy.

>The Jews believed the Germans and in astonishing order they packed their
>belongings and after an hour not even one was alive, only a few
>craftsmen were allowed to survive.

But she has no way of knowing.

> SHOUTS GOING UP TO THE SKY IN THE NIGHT

>We three organized the laundry in the camp. Until then the German
>officers too were dirty and lice-infected. In the course of time the
>laundry was enlarged and women from other transports arriving daily were
>distributed to us. The judges realized how Mrs. Lichtmann hesitates in
>her narration and talk to her kindly: “Talk, remember as much as you
>can”.

They organized a non-existant laudry and then that non-existant laundry was
expanded.

Note here that the judge leads the witness. A typical war crimes tactic.

>The tension in the hall extended also to the memory of the woman. She
>feels the good eyes of Dr. Beinski on her and of the stenotypist, a
>Lieutenant in the police Mrs. Hela Koslowski who stops her tears while
>writing every word going out of her mouth.

>The Germans do not want to hear about what she knows to tell but what
>she has seen with her own eyes.

Who is it that does not want hearsay?

But how can she not tell about the
>shouts of women who arrived with the night transports.

That is a question and she can not tell because she did not witness it. What in
the hell does the author think witness means?

The heartbreaking
>shouts and screaming ceased for a moment and then once again beginning
>penetrating the limbs and soul. The SS-men boasted the next day that
>they raped the most beautiful women in front of the whole transport.

But she was not raped. Must have been real ugly.

>Generally the transports arrived during the day. Once on a hot summerday
>a transport arrived with thursty people as it had been for several
>days since they had tasted a drop of water. The SS-officer allowed some
>to go and fetch water, but there the “Unterscharfu”hrer” Michel was
>already waiting for them and he made them run to a dug uphole which
>served as a privy and forced them to smear their body and face with the
>excrement. And thus he brought them back to the thursty people of
>the transport. From another transport young men were forced to beat each
>other to death. The last one remaining from this terrible battle was
>shot by the Germans.

And all of this from what she did not witness. Quite amazing that this is
level of testimony that was introduced in capital trials. Even more interesting
that crossexamination was not permitted.

> HEROIC DEEDS IN SOBIBOR

>The stories of Mrs. Lichtmann and her husband whom she met in Sobibor
>after the revolt are horrifying.

>They tell how the semi-alive victims tried to maintain to the last
>moment not only their human faces but also their human soulds. They tell
>about women who tried to save their children and were desparately driven
>to perform heroic deeds: About young mothers who attempted with their
>own bodies to cover and to defend their children. They tell about the
>Jewish officer of the Spanish civil war who immediately after his
>arrival tried organizing a revolt. The Germans found out about it and
>they chose 72 men and sent them to the crematorium. This massacre was
>supervised by the “Oberscharfu”hrer” Frenzel whose trial is taking place
>at the present inferment. Returning from the scene of the murder he
>ordered the quick erection of a temporary stage out of some planks,
>called for the orchestra, gathered the women and told them to sing and
>dance.

Thank you, Steven Speilberg. Jewrassic Pork lives.

>This Frenzel once caught a boy red-handed, eating sardines, he gathered
>all the Jews from the barracks and in front of all he shot the child.

Eating sardines. Are they not Kosher?

>Sobibor did not become at once a concentration of plants and workshops.
>The camp gradually expanded, developed slowly, erecting all kind
>of workshops. There work was done only for the German officers and
>guards. Coats, dresses, furs were sewn there for them, their wives and
>mistresses. Very few Jews were sent to the forest to shop trees.
>Once the Jews of such a group attacked their guards, killed them and
>escaped. The Germans took revenge on other Jews. But all considered the
>heroism of the escaped as a miracle and dreamt of doing the same.

Giving the number of escapes from A-B and every camp this is old news.

> THE REBELLION COMMITTEE

>Sasha Pizurski who was brought to the camp with a group of prisoners of
>the Russian army immediately formed a committee to prepare a revolt. To
>this committee belonged also the heroes Leibl Feldhendler, Shaul
>Felischmann and others who strongly detested the Germans and had decided
>revenge.

Excuse me. It took people who detested to Germans to arrive to organize this
and yet the people there knew of 95%+ being gassed by them?

>In the barracks weapons were started to appear: axes and knives. How
>dangerous this was! How much courage, cunning, patience you had to use
>in order to conceal this. Many efforst of the spirit and mind, will and
>courage had to be used to take guns, rifles, bullets from the
>storehouses. The participants of this operation were divided into
>groups. The plan was worked out to the smallest details: Every group
>and its duties – really imaginative tasks: Some had to assault the
>guardtowers where the guards sat with machineguns; some had to tempt
>the officers into coming into the workshops; others had to attack the
>guards that were wandering about. Special men had to cut off the
>telephone and electricity lines and tear down the barbed wires – to make
>passage ways.

But gassing most of the arrivals was not enough.

> THE MALIGNENT BLOOD OF THE SS-MEN IS SHED

>The revolt was fixed for October 14, 1943. 700 condemned to death
>enthusiastically took their fate into their own hands. Until the
>prearranged sign was given every group had performed its tasks well.
>Nevertheless things which had not been expected in advance happened.
>Guns started firing from both sides, axes and knives greedy for blood
>shone in the air and the whole camp changed into a battlefield. On this
>day, October 14, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon there began on the
>hellground of Sobibor the shedding of the malignent blood of the SS-men
>and their Ukrainian assistants. Those who had been so sure of themselves
>when millions of innocent women and children were led to death, seemed
>now anxious and inferior, they became confused and ran like mice into
>the trap looking for a hiding place.

Sobibor gasse millions. How can the world have missed this.

>The SS-men and the police pursued the escapers. They mobilized airplanes
>and the Polish farmers of the area to help them pursue the fleeing Jews.
>Only a few pitied the victims and did not hand them over to the Germans.
>Out of 700 escaping from Sobibor only about 30 survived. Also Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann and two of her friends, one of them a Polish woman called
>Alina Stern-Sofermann, who is living in Israel succeeded, with help of
>some young Poles, in arriving to the partisans in the woods of Parzew
>and continued their war against the German army. But until they reached
>the forest they wandered around day and night around the camp, living
>of tree leaves and poisonous mushrooms that so burned their
>intestines that they wished to die.

They did not live off of them.

>They lowered their eyes and one of them was turning his head from side
>to side replied: “No, we did not easily agree to accept such a mission.
>It was forced upon us officially”. And the second added: “Its a good
>thing that you did not agree to come to Germany,,,, so we were enabled
>to come to Israel, a wonderful journey.” One of the present in the hall
>heard this conversation said: “The blood of the Jews shed by the Germans
>flowed like a river. Don’t you think that by defending the murderers you
>emphasize the responsibility of the German people of what took place.”
>The two defenders ignoring the question avoided answering and the
>question remained unanswered.

Most likely they would have been shot for doing so. That is the way the
holocaust works.

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On Sun, 15 Sep 1996 02:51:16 GMT, [email protected] (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:44:01 GMT, [email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

># As YFE should have told you folks, this constitutes an admission of
>#guilt and the only issue before the court is the amount of the reward.

>Little man, still trying to be a lawyer?

># You folks are betting that there will be no lawsuit.

>You should read the newsgroup, little man. You might have figured out what
>was going on. I though it would have been obvious to a troller like you.

It is clear you think you are talking about a suit by me or even
Moran.

From [email protected] Thu Sep 19 09:34:32 PDT 1996
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On Wed, 18 Sep 96 20:39:42 GMT, [email protected] (Steven Casas) wrote:

>>[email protected] (william c anderson) wrote:
>>
>>>tom moran ([email protected]) wrote:
>>>
>>>: Concisely, the word “goy” or “goyim” is a racial reference. More
>>>: concisely yet, a racial slur.
>>>
>>>Whoops. Wrong again. Since a goy is a person who isn’t Jewish,
>>>and “Jewish” is not a race, “goy” can’t possibly be a racial
>>>reference.
>>>

>In your line of reasoning, it follows that a person who hates Jews cannot be a
>racist. But I say, since the Jews feel themselves superior to us Goyim in the
>same manner a human is superior to a dog, it is the Jews who are say they are
>of a different race and who are the racists.

But this takes us back to what Alec G. was trying so hard to explain. Eastern
European jews are those who have adopted the customs of the Hebrews without
being related to the Chosen People.

One does have to be very careful in talking about semitic peoples as eastern
European jews are not semitic. They are simply imitators of a primitive, tribal
religion.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 18 Sep 1996 21:19:31 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:

>Steven Casas ([email protected]) wrote:
>: >[email protected] (william c anderson) wrote:

>: >>Whoops. Wrong again. Since a goy is a person who isn’t Jewish,
>: >>and “Jewish” is not a race, “goy” can’t possibly be a racial
>: >>reference.
>:
>: In your line of reasoning, it follows that a person who hates Jews
>: cannot be a racist.

>No–many people who hate Jews are also racists; but you’re right in
>assuming that hating Jews does not, technically, make a person a
>racist. It makes him an antisemite, which is a slightly different
>brand of fool.

I thought we had been over this. Eastern European jews are not semitic.
Strangely, pointing that out is considered antisemitic. The mental contortions
to get there are not clear.

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On 16 Sep 1996 19:11:23 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:

>tom moran ([email protected]) wrote:

>: Oh no. Not a U R L. Not that.
>:
>: Okay Mr.VanAlstine, you got me.
>:
>: But wait a minute. Why don’t you just post it?

>Because it’s on Nizkor, where anybody who wants to can look at it.
>There’s no reason to waste space on this newsgroup by posting it.
>Nobody who’s interested will have any problem finding it.
>Except, of course, those few poor souls out there who’s rigiis
>won’t scroll sideways…

And, as noted, it inflates the hit count so as to impress contributors. It is a
minor misrepresentation for the unwary but that is what it is.

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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:04:47 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>[email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>>[email protected] (william c anderson) wrote:
>>
>>>tom moran ([email protected]) wrote:
>>>:
>>>: A “goyim” is a non-Jew.
>>>
>>>Wrong.
>>>
>>>Do keep trying, though.
>>
>> “Wrong” you say? Okay, correct it.
>>>Bill

> While this Anderson individual slinks back from righting the
>”wrong” he alleges, he is off posting more idiocy elsewhere.

Back of man. He’s on a mission from god.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 19 11:55:35 PDT 1996
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On 17 Sep 1996 18:54:23 -0400, [email protected] (Michael P. Stein)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>>Nazi gold hoard may have been from teeth fillings
>>
>>
>>Source: Reuters
>>

>[Snip]

>>[09-11-96 at 17:51 EDT, Copyright 1996, Reuters America Inc.]
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Is it just me or do other people recall Mr. Giwer thundering about how
>Nizkor was violating his copyright?

> Hypocrisy, thy name is Giwer.

I honor all objections to doing so and conspire with no one in doing so.

On the other hand, Nizkor folks continue to conspire to violate my copyright
despite my objections.

Get over it.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 17 Sep 1996 19:21:23 -0400, [email protected] (Michael P. Stein)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Matt Giwer wrote:
>> Now that Keren and company have clearly admitted that the LKs had
>>multiple rooms

> Excuse me, but where was this?

> The LKs were multiple rooms in the Kremas.

You are quite unfamiliar with the subject. You are advised to read up on the
matter.

>>and that only one of those rooms was used as a gas
>>chamber it is time to move on. It certainly takes a long time to get
>>things through the thick skulls of some people.

> We will not know how long until Mr. Giwer finally understands the
>layout of the Kremas, as shown in the Bauleitung construction drawings.
>Nearly nine months since he got here, and he has not got it right even
>yet.

I have seen them and the aerial photos. I would suggest you look at them.

>> Let us take those “induction” columns. They were supposed to have
>>been evenly spaced some 30 feet apart down the center line of the
>>building. They were supposed to have been where the ZB was put in.
>>
>> But now that we know the “gas chamber” was only one room inside the
>>building the fiction of those “induction columns” is readily revealed.
>>They are not all over the “gas chamber” and no two of them could have
>>functioned as the two necessary columns for the one room that are
>>required by most of the stories.

> BECAUSE! I! SAY! SO! (The usual Giwer standard of evidence.)

And the same information is on Nizkor. You should take a look some time. You
would learn something, if you wanted to learn something.

>> To go further the much vaunted ventilation system (of which neither
>>specifications

> Wrong, correspondence describing the system can be found in “Anatomy
>of the Auschwitz Death Camp.” Mr. Giwer is just making this up as he
>goes. (At one point a wooden fan was called out, though it was later
>changed to a metal one. It does sound as if someone was worried about
>corrosion. I wonder why?)

Changing wood for metal indicates there was a loss of interest in corrosion,
unless you hold that wood corrodes. Other than that, imprecise “correspondence”
has nothing to do with what I said about specifications and drawings.

>>nor fans have been discovered) does not deal with that
>>one room at all but rather the entire complex of rooms. It is not
>>particular directed at the one “gas chamber.”

> Wrong again; the largest LK (the “Undressing Room”) was slated for a
>ventilation system at first but it was not actually installed. And that
>LK also had no gas-tight door.

The building (not really a room) that is labeled undressing room on Nizkor is a
separate structure that is a parallel extension of the Kremas. That has nothing
to do with any one of the five rooms of the LK. We are still missing any
specified ventilation system for that one room in the LK. Please feel free to
provide such information.

I have taken the liberty to attach an aerial photo with some labels. I got it
>from Nizkor. You would be wise to study it.

>> So after all of that build up and talking the entire story collapses
>>on the knowledge that it was supposed to be one room in the building,
>>something not mentioned by any of the “eyewitnesses” either,

> I have never seen one eyewitness quote who said it was the entire
>building. Perhaps Mr. Giwer will supply one?

That It was the entire building was the assumption Keren was using in his
calculations.

It is also the basis for every claim that the FOUR “little chimneys” that run
the length of the building were for pouring in ZB.

But as I was pointing out, NOT ONE witness ever mentioned a gas chamber being
internal to another building. Yet

Now there is a claim that everyone knows it was just one room inside the
building but there is no basis for knowing that from any witness report. It is
an invention of the holohuggers.

But you know that.

>>simply
>>invented later by those trying to find physical evidence to support
>>the fanciful tales of the witnesses.

> Mr. Giwer is once again highly confused, completely ignorant, and/or
>lying through his teeth, or any combination of the above.

>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html

========
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: One man’s opinion
From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:13:10 GMT

“The Nuremberg Trials … had been popular throughout the world and
particularly in the United States. Equally popular was the sentence already
announced by the high tribunal: death. But what kind of trial was this? …The
Constitution was not a collection of loosely given political promises subject to
broad interpretation. It was not a list of pleasing platitudes to be set lightly
aside when expediency required it. It was the foundation of the American system
of law and justice and [Robert Taft] was repelled by the picture of his country
discarding those Constitutional precepts in order to punish a vanquished enemy.”

— U.S. President, John F. Kennedy
John Kennedy, Profiles in Courage (New York: Harper and Row, 1964),
p.189-190.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:43:31 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>This is indeed very sad – no sarcasm intended – but the
>attack was an error, just like the cases of “friendly
>fire” in the Gulf War.

Which means you have no concept of the meaning of friendly fire. Other than
that, Israel is no friend of the US unless there is money on the table.

>I can understand that people were injured, their friends
>killed – and they seek revenge. I don’t blame them. I do
>blame the Nazi scumbags who jump on the wagon and try to
>use this tragedy to their advantage. That a Nazi scum
>like “kurt stele” tries to use this tragedy to spread
>his propaganda is a disgrace to the memory of the Americans
>killed on this ship. As the son of a veteran, I express my
>disgust at this.

The truth about the actions of Israel are not propaganda.

>The “deliberate attack” theory is a myth, just like the
>myth that the Israeli pilots were heard talking in
>English (!!), and telling each other “why were we
>ordered to attack an American ship?”.

You expected them to speak Hebrew? Yiddish? What surprises you about their
speaking English?

>The ship was misidentified as an Egyptian ship.

Which is absolutely impossible due to size, profile, antennas and flag.
Therefore either the pilots had very poor eyesight or this is a lie.

It was
>not supposed to be there; no American ship was supposed
>to be there.

Any ship has a right to be any place on the ocean as long as outside the
territorial limits of any nation and then has the right of free passage. There
was no declared war and no declared war zone.

That makes that attack at best an act of piracy.

I have some material on this which I will
>hopefully find and post.

Sure, give us all the lies of Israel on the subject.

>To me, the most obvious evidence that the attack was an
>error is simple:

But as you know the error was impossible to make.

Israel had nothing to gain – nothing –
>and a lot to lose, by attacking an American ship, and
>more so, by attacking it in the most transparent manner
>possible. Moreover, when the torpedo boats approached
>the Liberty, they didn’t come firing, but signaling; Mr.
>Ennes writes so in his book. Only *after* the Liberty
>fired at them, did they fire back, including the torpedo
>which caused most of the casualties.

Gee, and the firing was after a 45 minute deliberate air attack that had already
murdered some 17 people by the same military of the same country. Self defense
is quite improper when it is against Israelis.

Also quite dangerous given what coldblooded murderers they are.

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Repeating Israeli lies does not further the truth.

But in any event, it was still an act of piracy on the open seas in an
undeclared war zone during an undeclared war. They strafed liferafts which is
rather subhuman but typical of Israeli murderers.

And it also shows where your loyalties lie, with Israel. One hopes you do not
claim to be an American citizen else you are a traitor of the Pollard type.

You are a very common form of Israeli apologist.

You side with murderers. You are no better than a murderer.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 23:32:04 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) babbles:

># Anyone who can be swayed towards the conventional holocaust
># story by claims of hearing maniacal laughter of pilots over
># the engine

>Must say I missed the original article to which the Giwer
>is responding. I guess it mentions German pilots laughing
>when conducting starfing runs?

>Matty, take a movie of someone laughing in a maniacal
>fashion. Then turn the sound off. Then show it to a few
>people, and ask them what they see.

>I bet most will say “he’s laughing”.

>Look at silent movies, Matty. You don’t have a job. You
>have lots of free time. I bet even you can tell when
>the actors are laughing, right?

>Did the original testimony state that the laughter
>was actually heard?

Excuse me, the claim was hearing SATANIC laughter (even better for the
witchcraft analogy) and yes, she said it was heard. She also said they were
seen from the inside of covered wagons. And OBC posted it so it has to be true.

That is a real true eyewitness that OBC vouches for. I have posted it many
times. Can’t you read?

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Kurt Stele, Please Answer the White Courtesy Phone, Part IV
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 15:19:41 GMT
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On 16 Sep 1996 20:11 MST, [email protected] (Danny Mittleman)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes…
>> Since when is what has been culled by two historians out of the absurdities of
>>Nuremberg considered the truth? If anything, Nuremberg is the truth,
>>absurdities and all. Not the work of two people trying to make it less than
>>laughable.
>>
>> The “truth,” as any historian will tell you, can not be determined until after
>>the participants in events are dead. That means there are 20-30 years to wait
>>until there can be any truth openly published about the holocaust.
>>
>> After all, one can not even suggest that crematoria do not mean gas chambers
>>these days. That is hardly a climate of open discussion.

> Has Matt Giwer posted something that has you tweaked? Are you
> thinking of spending time and energy responding to his troll?

> Then consider what he said in Message-ID
> <[email protected]>:

> “You keep reading [my posts] and keep posting about them.
> That will waste your time while I concentrate on posting the
> idiocies of the holohuggers. I will post just enough to you
> folks to keep you interested and keep your limited time
> wasted. I have 18 hours a day seven days a week if I wish.”

> Mr. Giwer is, as he admits above, a troller whose only interest is in
> causing fights. While he can sound plausible, he has lied about what
> has been said in exchanges (while accusing others of lying), refused to
> document claims, pretended not to see posts which contain documented
> refutation of his claims (even when they have been emailed to him),
> engaged in actual libel, and generally conducted himself with such
> complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity that it seems
> counterproductive to take the time to read and respond to him.

> For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to
> http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt and the
> various subdirectories beneath this.

> But, in particular, reread the quote from him above and ask yourself,
> “do I really think it good use of my time to argue with this guy, or
> should I just ignore his outrageous statements?” If you feel you must
> respond so that the novice reader is not fooled by him, consider
> clipping this post and using it as your reply.

> daniel david mittleman
>===========================================================================
> For more information on the Holocaust see The Nizkor Project
> Europe: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
> North America: https://nizkor.org/
========
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Subject: One man’s opinion
From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:13:10 GMT

“The Nuremberg Trials … had been popular throughout the world and
particularly in the United States. Equally popular was the sentence already
announced by the high tribunal: death. But what kind of trial was this? …The
Constitution was not a collection of loosely given political promises subject to
broad interpretation. It was not a list of pleasing platitudes to be set lightly
aside when expediency required it. It was the foundation of the American system
of law and justice and [Robert Taft] was repelled by the picture of his country
discarding those Constitutional precepts in order to punish a vanquished enemy.”

— U.S. President, John F. Kennedy
John Kennedy, Profiles in Courage (New York: Harper and Row, 1964),
p.189-190.

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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 19:21:45 -0400, [email protected] (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> At least you admit that Abraham and Moses were not monotheists,
>noting that
>> Zoroaster and the Babylonian captivity were coincident within historic
>error.
>>
>> But the presumption of independence is not established as the
>exact dates of its
>> starting in each place within 100 years and the places where it started are so
>> relatively close together, and considering that for the Hebrews it started in
>> Babylon next door to Zoroastranianism in what is modern Iran.
>>
>> Any idea of independence in monotheism is rather absurd.
>Considering that in
>> one case the originator at least has a name and in the other it was introduced
>> by a 1984 technique of rewritting history, it is most likely that it had a
>> single origin in Iraq and was copied during the captivity.
>>
>> And of course there was the political problem for those in
>captivity. Having
>> been out of power for so many years they had to do something to regain power.
>> As Israel was a theocracy the only grounds for political power were
>religious.
>>
>> So it behooved those returning from captivity to have an
>alternative religious
>> platform else they would have to be subborinate to the power of those who had
>> remained behind. The supremacy of Yahweh God was given a minor twist to his
>> being the only god. It is the kind of trivial practical difference that makes
>> for great political battles. Nothing would change in the ceremonies,
>> obligations and the like. It was very like combining seven federal programs
>> into one program.
>>
>> For example, when Moses prayed to Astarte for water and she
>granted it and
>> Yahweh punished Moses for doubting his consort, it was only necessary to drop
>> Astarte from the story. That way Yahweh took on the aspect of the nurturing
>> earth mother in addition to the ultimate judge.
>>
>> Yahweh simply approved the bronze serpent rather Moses simply
>invoking the wise
>> god of Eden to save the people in the desert.
>>
>> It is really very easy to understand.

>Please note Message-ID <[email protected]> posted on
>or about September 6, 1996 in which Giwer states:

> “You keep reading [my posts] and keep posting about them.
> That will waste your time while I concentrate on posting the
> idiocies of the holohuggers. I will post just enough to you
> folks to keep you interested and keep your limited time
> wasted. I have 18 hours a day seven days a week if I wish.”

>Giwer is, as he admits above, a troller whose only interest is in
>causing fights. While he can sound plausible, he has lied about what
>has been said in exchanges (while accusing others of lying), refused to
>document claims, pretended not to see posts which contain documented
>refutation of his claims (even when they have been emailed to him),
>engaged in actual libel, and generally conducted himself with such
>complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity that it seems
>counterproductive to take the time to read and respond to him.

>For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to
>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt and the
>various subdirectories beneath this. Of particular interest will be:

> https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html
> https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html

>A Web-based guide to the Giwer files can be found at
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/ .

>JGB

>=====================================================================
>Jeffrey G. Brown [email protected]
> “What’s going to happen?” “Something wonderful…” — ‘2010’

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Subject: One man’s opinion
From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:13:10 GMT

“The Nuremberg Trials … had been popular throughout the world and
particularly in the United States. Equally popular was the sentence already
announced by the high tribunal: death. But what kind of trial was this? …The
Constitution was not a collection of loosely given political promises subject to
broad interpretation. It was not a list of pleasing platitudes to be set lightly
aside when expediency required it. It was the foundation of the American system
of law and justice and [Robert Taft] was repelled by the picture of his country
discarding those Constitutional precepts in order to punish a vanquished enemy.”

— U.S. President, John F. Kennedy
John Kennedy, Profiles in Courage (New York: Harper and Row, 1964),
p.189-190.

From [email protected] Thu Sep 19 13:55:09 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Acceptance makes truth
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On 16 Sep 1996 20:03 MST, [email protected] (Danny Mittleman)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes…
>> It is often suggested that because historians have looked at the holocaust and
>>pronounced it true then it becomes the standard that must be negated. That
>>would appear a reasonable assumption on the surface …

> That is, in fact, how science is done in the world today.

>> The facts are otherwise. First, there are exactly two historians who have
>>investigated and published on the holocaust. (People like Wiesel and Hilberg
>>are not historians.)

> Giwer claims two historians. Exactly. Giwer is either very stupid or
> intentionally lying. There have been over 1,000 books written on the
> Holocaust, many of them by historians. Anyone can simply go to a card
> catalog in any public or university library (or search tem on the
> internet) and look up the subject heading “holocaust” to see that there
> are many many more than two books, again many of them written by
> historians.

> On top of this there hundreds to thousands of refereed journal articles
> and conference presentations on record about the Holocaust.

> Giwer is simply wrong. And it is simple for anyone to verify this.

Name THREE historians with their degree credentials. Take all the screens you
need.

>> Second, they have not investigated the holocaust. The basis for the holocaust
>>is the Nuremberg trials. What they have done is pick and choose from the
>>Nuremberg record to construct a plausible holocaust from the absurdities of the
>>Nuremberg record.

> Giwer is wrong again. A random sampling of these many books will show
> anyone that the Nuremburg trial record is a small part of the evidence
> for the Holocaust.

You are certainly a gullible little squat. Four nations with complete control
of Europe with all the investigators they wanted, millions of man hours of
inestigation and a few researchers manage to find so much information that
Nuremberg is only a small part of it.

Do you realize how foolish that sounds?

> Giwer is simply wrong. And it is simple for anyone to verify this.

You confuse the relative emphasis of the writers with the available material.
As I said, they have arbitrarily rejected the IMT.

>> Thus we are not discussing the acceptance of the Nuremberg record but the story
>>constructed from the record by those two historians. The issue of “acceptance”
>>as the null hypothesis is only the issue of the two versions of the holocaust
>>that were constructed by these two people.

> Given the error in all of Giwer’s premises, this conclusion is
> meaningless.

The meaning is that it is what has happened.

>> As such this does not qualify as a null hypothesis. Two people do not
>>constitute a consensus of historians.

> Same here.

Yes, it is people who have disregarded the findings of those millions of man
hours in favor of a very narrow story that disregards mass steamings,
electrocutions and suffocations, burning without fuel and the like.

Such things can NOT be disregarded without discounting the witnesses or those
who collected the testimony. Discounting such testimony for failure of personal
belief is no different from discounting gassing for failure of personal belief.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:07:24 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>My opinion regarding the attack on the USS Liberty is
>different from Matt Giwer’s; I believe – and I have explained
>why – that the ship was attacked in the midst of the
>Arab-Israeli 1967 War because it was misidentified as
>an Egyptian ship.

Such a misidentification was and is impossible. It is no different from
shooting a bull and claiming to have thought it was a coyote. They are that
different.

The claim is clearly a lie.

But you know that.

And Israel had no right to attack an Egyptian merchant ship either.

You know that also.

And only subhuman murderers like the Israelis would sink lifeboats.

What is mistake, confusing lifeboats with an Egyptian merchant ship.

There is no disagreement here save that manufactured by those whose allegiance
is to Israel over the US. That is people you and JR and other scum.

>For that, Giwer called me a “murderer”, a “traitor”, and
>declared that “were you at my back in combat I would turn
>and kill you first”.

As you side with the murderers of Americans then that is the best light I can
put on what you are.

>It’s great to know that “revisionist scholars” are tolerant
>towards a view of history which is different from their
>own, isn’t it?

That is quite correct. You have chosen to believe the lies told by Israel
simply to cover your deepseated jewish hatred of America.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 19 14:10:51 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Where is our german linguist?
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On 15 Sep 1996 14:03:27 GMT, Nele Abels
wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Jean-Francois Beaulieu wrote:

>>
>> By the way, I’d like to know if our eminent German linguist
>>can find anywhere in a german dictionnary ‘vergasungskeller’ or
>>its equivalent ‘gaskeller’ or in a newspaper, a book, anywhere,
>>and a context for which it is supposed to be a ‘gas chamber’ , I
>>mean, something else than a post war claim about this january
>>1943 letter.

> No problem. “Vergasungskeller” is a compound noun, which falls
>apart into the two nouns “Vergasung” und “Keller”. The meaning of
>”Keller” should be clear. The method of qualifying the meaning of
>nouns by building compound forms is a very productive feature of
>the German language. (Many students of German know and detest
>this 🙂 ) But this functions in a similar fashion in English. The
>first particle qualifies the second. “Lesesaal” is the “Saal”
>where the “Lesen” takes place (reading-room), “Waschraum” is the
>”Raum” where the “Waschen” takes place washing-room),
>”Vergasungskeller” is the “Keller” where the “Vergasung” takes
>place.

> “Vergasung” is defined in the dictionary with sources:

> Vergasung, die ; -,-en: 1 (Fachspr.) das Vergasen (1),
>Vergastwerden: Die Anlage … eignet sich zur V. aller …
>Holzabfaelle (NNN 29.6.84,3) (2.a) das Vergasen (2a),
>Vergastwerden: Ich habe von Anfang an gewusst, dass wir nach
>Auschwitz zur V. kommen (Hochhut, Stellvertreter 178) […]
>
> [Duden: das grosse Woerterbuch der deutschen Sprache, Band 8,
> Mannheim etc.: Dudenverlag, 2nd ed., 1995]

> “Vergasung” has therefore two means. First it is a technical
>term describing a process of turning a substance into a gaseous
>state. Second it means “to kill with gas”. This means that,
>following the semantics alone, a “Vergasungskeller” is a cellar
>where either substances are turned to gas or a cellar where
>people are killed with gas.

You have a very politically correct dictionary.

To review the bidding there is exactly one and only one example of this use of
the word with this forced meaning. That is very clear from the Auschwitz
reference in the definition. By that criteria EVERY unique use of a word
qualifies as having its own definition entry.

It is unclear why any rational and useful dictionary would include a one time
usage of a word in the entire language as a unique definition when, as a unique
usage, any meaning can be read into it.

You are aware that one letter is the one and only usage of it in that compound
in the entire history of the language PRIOR to that time?

And, as you such a student of the German language, you know, as in
Leichenkellar, the compounding of two words does not necessarily have any
relationship to the two words taken separately.

> To find out which specific meaning of “Vergasungskeller” is
>used in the present case, one has to look at contextual material.

Of which there is only one letter that the holohugger want to mean gas chamber
even Gaskammer (sp?) was the correct word in German. And they want to ignore
the only other closely related compound usage referring to gas warfare.

>”Revisionists” have favoured the first meaning (I think it was
>Butz) but have failed to provide any evidence for machinery which
>could have served the purpose of turning a certain substance to
>gas. On the other hand there is abundant evidence (documents,
>physical evidence, testimonies of SS-men and victims) that
>actually people were put to death in the cellar with the use of
>gas.

I am still awaiting someone to present that physical evidence rather than to
simply assert its existence. So far the only physical evidence are exactly
three dubious documents, one of which contains the one time usage of the word
under discussion.

It is about par for the holohugger cause to answer the obvious lack of physical
evidence by talking about Dresden. Right on target.

> This means that a “Vergasungskeller” is definitely a cellar
>were people are killed with the use of gas – a room which is
>usually called “gas chamber” in the English language and which
>may be called “Gaskammer” in German.

Buzzer there. Gaskammer WAS and IS the word in German regardless of English.

And of course it is also very strange to find one of five rooms in the cellar
being called a cellar even in a completely unique usage of the word, one time by
one person.

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On 18 Sep 1996 19:27:48 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>>[A load of crap about World War 1]

> The Kaiser’s military didn’t want the United States supporting the
>British Empire so they tried to set up a border incident between Mexico and
>the United States. The message promising support to Mexican insurrectionists
>was intercepted and decrypted, thus revealing the plan to the U.S. government.
>This brought the United States into the war.
> [Summary, from memory, of the incident as described in
> David Kahn’s _The Codebreakers_.]

> Don’t try to fool people Mattie – it just shows how big a fool _you_
>are.

It has been common knowledge since around 1925 that the Zimmerman Note was a
British forgery.

Where have you been?

Or has the forgery become an article of faith among Holohuggers?

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 19 15:30:34 PDT 1996
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 19 15:30:35 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Ken McVay and double standards at Nizkor
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On 17 Sep 1996 17:14:14 -0700, Ourobouros wrote:

>For reference:

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/nyms/stone/cavalli-sforza-fabrication

>For all onlookers please note that McVay has this specially marked and
>without my reply.

>What is McVay’s game?

>Does he attempt to be fair or does he need to resort to such tactics to
>keep the money flowing in?

>Ken McVay: Blowhard, coward and hypocrite.

It is this sort of thing that belongs reposted ot anthropology conferences to
show the total of what holohuggers have to offer.

From [email protected] Thu Sep 19 18:44:59 PDT 1996
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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:56:59 +0100, Sara aka Perrrfect
wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>> Quite surprising that no one has mentioned that in the 1920s in Germany the only >> way to get a secure job was through bribery.

>What the HELL is this supposed to mean?
>
>What an idiot!!!

I will get to what it means later. I am surprised no one has brought it up for
discussion.

=====

There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Thu Sep 19 18:45:00 PDT 1996
Article: 66900 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Whole Diplomatic World Knows
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:52:19 GMT
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On 17 Sep 1996 14:50:47 -0700, [email protected] (Rich Graves) wrote:

>[email protected] (tom moran) writes:
>>
>> The whole diplomatic world knows why the United States is the
>>only nation confronting Israel’s enemy, Iraq.

>Besides the United Kingdom, Iran, Kuwait, Oman, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Mexico,
>and a few others, of course.

>I’m sorry, this had what to do with the Holocaust?

It has to do with murdering Israelis of course.

=====

There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Thu Sep 19 18:45:01 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Ourobouros’ sample definition of the White race
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On 17 Sep 1996 13:36:35 GMT, Laura Finsten wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>[…]

>> Is it not amusing the every race but caucasian can be defined?

>So you are equating the “White race” with Caucasians, Mr. Giwer-Troll?
>I don’t believe that “Mr. Stone” is making the same equation.
>
>If the “other races” can all be so easily defined, then why don’t
>you provide us with their defining criteria, Mr. Giwer-Troll?

Equating? White and caucasian are considered the same answer for all legal
purposes in the US just as black and negroid are considered the same answer.

As for defining the races, as I have otherwise noted, the characteristics have
to be taken as a whole and not be broken out separately. You folks tried a very
silly game by taking the characteristics separately. By that method there is no
way to tell a black from a white. Nor is it possible to tell a Chippendale from
a Sears for that matter.

From [email protected] Thu Sep 19 19:07:34 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Topf and Sons, all round geniuses
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 01:09:24 GMT
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How dumb holohuggers can be when they really work hard at it.

I do admit to having missed their fool assumption for a long time. Now that I
realize it, I am amazed they were so dumb as to have made the assumption.

I also admit it is going to be hard to find a way to phrase it that matches the
assumptions of all of them.

Basically they are assuming that Topf and Sons, makers of crematoria, were also,
without any prior experience designing buildings. They really confuse ovens
with the buildings that house them.

But wait! There’s more!

They were also designing rooms within buildings as mass extermination gas
chambers even though no one in the entire world knew how to design such a thing.

But wait! There’s more!

They worked! The FIRST TIME!

This is really very, very amazing, that holohuggers have been making this
assumption from the moment they heard about Topf.

He we have your friendly, neighborhood oven makers suddenly being archetects and
gas chamber experts.

Why?

As I noted just a couple days ago, because crematoria and gas chambers are
inextricably linked in the closed minds of the holohuggers.

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There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Thu Sep 19 20:26:28 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 00:36:14 GMT
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On 18 Sep 1996 21:51:10 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>> > [email protected] writes:
>> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>>
>> > > The conclusions of the report have been posted. You are just too
>> lazy to
>>
>> > > look up the report for yourself.
>>
>> > I think this issue has already been addressed elsewhere. Nothing BUT the
>> original
>> > autopsies as well as the toxocological tests will suffice.
>>
>> Then why have you not looked them up?
>>
>> –YFE
>>
>>>>>
>I was under the impression that they do not exist, or cannot be traced. If this
>is untrue, and they do indeed exist, I would be most interested in reading them.
>Are you saying that the toxicological tests are available, as well as the original
>written autopsy reports?

He is bullshitting.

In the late 70s a particularly interesting body was found. It was in the middle
of summer, no A/C and the body was found in a bathtub. It was also found
several weeks after the time of death.

The objective was fo find the cause of death.

At that point the forensist invented a new method of determining the cause of
death, he collected the maggots had them analyzed. There was not enough of the
body left.

Now YFE wants us to believe that unburied bodies that had been laying around as
maggot food for months were analysed for cyanide content by a method not
invented until more than 30 years later. Or perhaps there is some other method
secret method unknown to the world that works with maggot eaten bodies.

He is trying to get a very odd ball assumption accepted, that in a camp where
the US dropped the idea that there was ever a gas chamber around 1955 that there
were gassings up to the last minute of surrender.

And he really expects people to fall for it.

=====

For the lurkers, the method of establishing cyanide poisoning is the mascerate
(blender set on puree) a known weight of body tissue; liver is preferred.
Pre-death weight is estimated; for quckly discovered death it is the same as the
scale weight. Cyanide compounds are then precipitated from the puree and
weighed. The fraction of cyanide to body weight is calculated and compared to
known lethal ratios per pound of living body weight.

But after a few weeks, maggots have matured and flown away with major factions
of body weight.

=====

There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Fri Sep 20 01:15:56 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Kurt Stele, Please Answer the White Courtesy Phone, Part IV
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On 16 Sep 1996 20:08:38 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:

>: I started reading this conference years ago and changed my mind
>: on the subject. Now you have heard of one person who has.

>Well, that’s open to interpretation.

Whose interpretation? I stated fact.

>: Anyone else
>: who comes here and learns that Zyklon B was really cyanide will
>: certainly have the beginnings of doubt.

>I’ve never met anybody even remotely familiar with the facts of the
>Holocaust who didn’t know Zyklon released cyanide, Matt.

You have now. It is familiarity that causes doubt.

>: And if they pursue the matter in this conference and discover that
>: no holohugger can allay the doubts it raises but rather leads to more
>: problems it would take a person with no real intellectual curiousity to
>: simply dismiss a rather intriguing subject.

>But the “doubts” you and your fellow deniers have attempted to raise
>on this subject have been thoroughly allayed, Matt:

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/cyanide/hcn-spurious-claims
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/as-blue.html
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html

>But you knew that…

I know that people without the slightest technical background think those are
answers. You do not have to believe it and frankly I would rather you not
believe it, but I can use the Nizkor “answers” as clear evidence there are no
explanations if I present them to technical types.

“As you can see from [URL] the reason they accept this explanation is because
they misunderstand basic science.” My audience would not be english majors but
people with technical backgrounds. To them it will be obious that I am correct.

You folks would prefer to pretend it is otherwise however they are as I say.

Science is not about creating the plausible explanation. It is about getting it
right. I find it truly amazing that the folks at Nizkor actually are foolish
enough to post their nonsense explanations.

But again, do not believe me. Please do not. I don’t want them changed.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: What is a “goyim”
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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:31:15 -0400, Alec Grynspan wrote:

>tom moran wrote:
>>
>> Really?
>>
>> Questions for Mr.Anderson:
>>
>> What is meant by the term “half Jewish”?

>Usually used by racists and idiots of all persuasions.

It does appear that being jewish by birth is a binary operation.

>> What is meant by the term “he/she looks Jewish”?

>Some people actually resemble the stereotype. Some of them are Jewish.
>Some aren’t.

You mean there are no JAP nose jobs?

>> What is the connotations of a Jew being automatically a Jew if
>> the mother is a Jew?

>The same as a child is considered Roman Catholic if the mother is Roman
>Catholic. Even in questions of paternity, the mother is still known.

But that is not true, not even chose. There is nothing automatic about a child
being a Roman Catholic and it has nothing to do with maternity or paternity. No
wonder you are so confused.

>> Why do they use the term “Semitic” which is in line with the
>> categories Negro, Caucasian, Oriental or Amerind?

>Why do you lust over pictures of little boys? Same reasoning.

When there is no answer …

In the mean time, learn something about the RC Church.

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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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On 17 Sep 1996 13:52:51 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:

>: No one cares about whether or not Dresden occurs. No one is
>: called a Churchillian for denying Dresden. It is no more important
>: than whether or not Jews were gassed.
>:
>: Get that through your little skull.

>Having made it clear that he has no arguments whatsoever to discredit
>the Holocaust, Matt comes up with a new tactic: it doesn’t matter.
>History isn’t important.

I am still awaiting the physical evidence that was not presented at Nuremberg.
Is it not about time you folks found some?

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On 18 Sep 1996 10:01:38 GMT, [email protected] (Richard Schultz) wrote:

>Michael P. Stein ([email protected]) wrote:

>: Someone (namely me) _did_ mention that potatoes were permissible to
>: eat during Passover. Mr. Giwer’s illiterate and malfunctioning brain
>: somehow twisted that into a claim that spuds were a Passover food,
>: apparently meaning that they were an explicit part of the ritual meal.

>You’d think that an expert on Judaism like the Myshkin-meister would
>know very well what the most important ingredient in the Passover
>ritual meal is. . .

>—–
>Richard Schultz [email protected]
>Department of Chemistry tel: 972-3-531-8065
>Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
>—–
> “an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience”
========
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Subject: One man’s opinion
From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:13:10 GMT

“The Nuremberg Trials … had been popular throughout the world and
particularly in the United States. Equally popular was the sentence already
announced by the high tribunal: death. But what kind of trial was this? …The
Constitution was not a collection of loosely given political promises subject to
broad interpretation. It was not a list of pleasing platitudes to be set lightly
aside when expediency required it. It was the foundation of the American system
of law and justice and [Robert Taft] was repelled by the picture of his country
discarding those Constitutional precepts in order to punish a vanquished enemy.”

— U.S. President, John F. Kennedy
John Kennedy, Profiles in Courage (New York: Harper and Row, 1964),
p.189-190.

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On 18 Sep 1996 09:47:54 GMT, [email protected] (Richard Schultz) wrote:

>Michael P. Stein ([email protected]) wrote:
>: In article <[email protected]>,
>: Capt. Peter Peachfuzz wrote:

>:>If you wish to throw out the conclusions of the IMT as a lie you will have
>:>to do more than simply declare it a lie. The IMT is the source of the
>:>pre-Auschwitz revision.

>: Of course Mr. Giwer does not give a reference. (Nor is it clear which
>: figure he is talking about – the six million total, or four million for
>: Auschwitz.)

>I don’t have my references immediately at hand, but I seem to recall that
>Hoess testified at Nuremberg that he estimated that 2.5 million people
>were killed at Auschwitz. I don’t know where in the IMT proceedings
>Myshkin thinks that the 4 million at Auschwitz figure was a “conclusion”
>of the tribunal as a whole, although I could believe that one of the
>Soviet judges might have made a claim for that figure. If anything,
>Hoess’s estimate in his testimony was too big by more than a factor of two.
>Perhaps Myshkin can show us the place in the IMT proceedings where
>one of the prosecutors or judges said to him “are you sure it was 2.5 and
>not 4 million” and enough supporting evidence given to convince the
>panel? (NOT) In any case, I thought that Hoess was tried in Poland. Were
>those trials part of the IMT? I thought that those trials were purely
>a Polish affair.

>—–
>Richard Schultz [email protected]
>Department of Chemistry tel: 972-3-531-8065
>Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
>—–
>”It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either
>charming or tedious.”
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Subject: One man’s opinion
From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:13:10 GMT

“The Nuremberg Trials … had been popular throughout the world and
particularly in the United States. Equally popular was the sentence already
announced by the high tribunal: death. But what kind of trial was this? …The
Constitution was not a collection of loosely given political promises subject to
broad interpretation. It was not a list of pleasing platitudes to be set lightly
aside when expediency required it. It was the foundation of the American system
of law and justice and [Robert Taft] was repelled by the picture of his country
discarding those Constitutional precepts in order to punish a vanquished enemy.”

— U.S. President, John F. Kennedy
John Kennedy, Profiles in Courage (New York: Harper and Row, 1964),
p.189-190.

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On 18 Sep 1996 17:32:22 -0400, [email protected] (Michael P. Stein)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>On Thu, 12 Sep 1996 22:02:56 -0300, Keith Morrison
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>>>[nothing really important]
>>
>>>Hi Matt! Welcome back!
>>
>>>1. How many bones does _Gray’s Anatomy_, your opinions
>>>notwithstanding, say compose the skull and pelvis?
>>
>>>2. What hominid averaged seven feet tall?
>>
>>>3. Why does standard texts on chemical warfare list HCN,
>>>and why did NATO give it a STANAG of “AC” if no one ever
>>>thought of using it in chemical warfare?
>>
>>>4. Figure out what Raul Wallenberg contributed to the USHMM
>>>yet?
>>
>> In accordance with my agreement with Netcom, I will not respond with
>>the supporting information that Ken McVay requested and then falsely
>>claimed was a mailbomb when it was only an answer to his questions.

> Please list the questions that you supposedly answered. Then we can
>go through your mailbomb file by file and be entertained by your
>explanation of how the file in question could possibly be construed as an
>answer to any of them.

> There may indeed have been an answer or two buried somewhere in the
>six megabytes, but it is a lie to say that the mail was _only_ an answer
>to his questions.

>> Yours are fewer but still my agreement with Netcom prohibits me from
>>proving you an idiot in your questions.

> What a convenient excuse.

If you do not like it, call 1-800-NETCOM1 and leave voice mail for SECURITY and
ask them to contact me and cancel the terms of the agreement.

I will them mail it all to you. Please be certain to specificy that that is
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: GIWER: A true “revisionist”
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On 17 Sep 1996 17:55:05 -0400, [email protected] (Michael P. Stein)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Kurt Stele wrote:
>>[email protected] (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>>Kurt Stele wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Now go back to work and find me a nazi gas chamber somewhere. Step on
>>it.
>>
>>> Been there, done that. Try Birkenau – Bischoff wrote to Kammler
>>about
>>>it in ’43. What part of “Vergasungskeller” don’t you understand?
>>
>>Oh yeah. Those “gas chambers” they built -after- the war, after the
>>existing structures were ruined, and the Soviets refused to allow
>>journalists to see them. Nice bit of craftwork.
>>
>>Love your after-market gas chambers.

> The Kremas were in those same aerial photos that you “revisionists”
>love to cite. So just how did the Russians build them in order to get
>them into those during-the-war aerial photos?

> And you still have not addressed the letter written in 1943.

You like aerial photos of the Kremas? Why did you not say so?

Take a look at the complete picture of Birkenau and you will discover that
Kremas IV and V have neither LKs nor undressing rooms and other buildings are
too close for them to exist.

And after all those claims of LK III and IV and the Nizkor photo of the above
ground Undressing Room III we have to learn it the hard way, by looking at the
pictures.

Not only that but we look at the Soviet aerial photos of Treblinka and find five
small buildings and no disturbed earth and we find it in existance AFTER trial
testimony said it had been dismantled.

We look at aerial photos of Babi Yar and again, not one sign of any disturbance
of any of the vegetation, no sign of anything out of the ordinary after the
supposed massacre.

Upon what will you base your sudden distaste for aerial photos?

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On Mon, 16 Sep 96 17:10:47 GMT, [email protected] (Nele Abels)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>> You have to give a lot of the credit to a real shit translation like
>>most all of them. For example, tube. These translations have all the
>>earmarks of a poor German-English dictionary.

>Since you are obviously a fluent speaker of German, why don’t you give here
>and now a better translation?

>Or are you again LYING about your abilities?

I have made no such claim. I have merely pointed out that words like “tube” are
real shit translations of meaning despite the literal translation.

So is the common literal translation of “Wagen” as wagon rather than truck or
the translation of a group of trucks traveling together as “wagon train” rather
than “truck convoy.” (See OBC’s ridiculous “Trial of the Executioner of
Sobibor” for the Wagen examples.)

“Induction tube” is another where a valid english translation would be
“introduction port”, the difference between take in and put in. Tube in
American English implies circular, the “little chimneys” are described as
square.

The infamous “tube” of Treblinka appears closer to the British use of the word
meaning subway, rather to American English capitalization could perhaps serve
best as “the Passageway.” By analogy, perhaps was a German analogy to the
submarine term and a better translation would be “trash chute.” People simply
do not go through tubes in American English.

Or have you missed all of this? What kind of issue are you trying to make over
something so obvious as poor translations? Or has it become an article of
holohugger faith that all translations are perfect also?

But you have raised an interesting point. Given the poor translations many
disagreements (as well as solemn beliefs) are possibly based upon these
incorrect translations. The most amusing aspect of it is that, given similarly
poor translations in other languages, there can be different conflicting truths
depending solely upon language.

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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:00:50 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> Because jews were citizens and remained citizens.
>>
>> The only people in Europe in that time frame stripping people of
>citizenship
>> were the Poles stripping Silesians of Polish citizenship and pushing
>them across
>> the border into Germany.

>Right.
>
>And I “made up” an autistic son just to taunt you, right?
>
>Giwer, you are just about the biggest horse’s ass I have ever had the
>displeasure to meet.
>
>You’re such a BAD liar too.

>Sara

>–
>”I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy.”
> Samuel Butler

I have no idea if you LIED about the son.

I know only that you LIED about his feelings if in fact he really is autistic.

But then, holohuggers will use their children to promote their objectives no
matter what the consequences to their children.

For example, if he is in special schooling then your words about him would get
him kicked out of that special schooling.

You have clearly lied in some manner or other and you did so for the one and
only purpose of supporting your favorite holocaust.

You USED your child for a cheap ass debating point.

You have to be jewish.

No one else would be so low.

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On 19 Sep 1996 22:47:38 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
>> tom moran ([email protected]) wrote:

>> : Could it be that Mr.McVay, “Director” of the righteous and pure
>> : Holocaust anti-Hate website Nizkor, advocates and practices the
>> : ridicule and hate of obese people?
>
>> Could it be that Mr. Moran was born entirely without a sense of
>> irony?

> Could it be that l’il tommy, a rather vicious anti-Semite, believes that
>Giwer’s statements are acceptable?

It matters not that what I say is acceptable to holohuggers.

The fact that matters is that what I say is dominant.

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On 19 Sep 1996 14:45:17 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:

>: Excuse me. It did not happen. Is that clear enough? You are
>: invited to post cases of the removal of citizenship or laws requiring
>: same. Or are you going to claim it was another of those undocumented
>: things like the gassing?

>Sigh.

>”A Jew cannot be a citizen of the Reich. He cannot exercise the right to
>vote; he cannot occupy public office.”

>Supplement to the Reichsbürgergesetz (Law of the Reich Citizen),
>November 14, 1935

>The Reichsbürgergesetz reduced Jews in Germany to the status of “state
>subjects,” and deprived them of all political rights. Really, Matt–
>this is a non-starter. Even among the most virulent of your brethren,
>I doubt you’ll be able to find support on this one. Just back away
>calmly, and we’ll forget you ever said it.

>Well, maybe not…

It is good to read that you agree that no one was stripped of citizenship.

You and YFE have now both agreed to the point I made.

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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 07:27:05 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>[About the attack on the USS Liberty]

># That is siding with murderers as it is clear it was
># not a mistake.

>In my opinion it was. I explained why I think so. Naturally,
>you simply deleted and ignored everything I’ve written.

>Mistakes happen in wars, whether you like it or not. They
>happen today, such as in the Gulf War, although the technology
>is far superior to 1967 technology.

There was no war. Anyone declaring this a mistake is allying himself with
murderers.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 23:45:31 -0700, Brian Harmon wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:
>>
>> Brian Harmon wrote:
>>
>> >Let me begin (again) with a quote from you:
>>
>> >========
>> >Message-Id: <[email protected]>
>>
>> >Also, one is allowed to discredit or deny the Civil War or Dresden. But
>> >Jewish money-power has created strong taboos and prohibitions against
>> >questioning the Holocaust, and in Germany revisionism has been
>> >criminalized.
>> >=======
>>
>> >’Allowed to discredit or deny the Civil War or Dresden?’
>>
>> >Do you honestly think if i sailed into a university and
>> >proclaimed that these events did not happen, i’d be
>> >treated with anything other than derision and disrespect?
>>
>> You wouldn’t be treated with derision and disrespect at all if you had
>> counter-evidence against the Civil War.

>Perhaps i didn’t make my point clearly enough. Let me argue by example.

>I walk into the history department of a University, let’s say
>Ohio State. I sit down to talk with a few history students, to
>tell them this new theory i have about the civil war.

>The war, you see, didn’t really happen. I mean, there was
>some border skirmishes between the Southern militias (much
>like the montana freeman of today) and federal troops, but
>there was no full scale war.

>My evidence? it’s simple.

>1) Where are these battlefields? Sure, i can go to a field
> with some old cannons in it, and maybe a gift shop, but
> what proof of a war is that? It sure doesn’t look like there
> was ever a war there. where are all the bodies?

The bodies are in very well marked graves and literally thousands of them have
been exhumed, moved and the like.

> For that matter, where are all thje weapons used in this
> war?

Given their limited durability as they were muzzle loading only about 100,000 or
so survive mainly in private collections.

>2) Where are the documents discussing this war?

In government warehouses in St. Louis where every person who fought in the war
is fully documented with a complete personnel jacket.

There is no
> document where the North declared war on the south or
> vice versa. You’d expect that if there was a war, there
> would be such a document.

Nor was any war declared but every military movement, every member of every
military unit is documented, all battle reports are documented. In addition
there are supply reports and purchase orders for everything purchased and
requisited in that war.

>3) What about all the history books, eyewitness reports, etc?
> Well, you see they’re the product of the african american
> lobby that controls the media in this country. Don’t believe
> me? look at all the african americans in the media today: Bill
> Cosby, Will Smith, ‘Brandy’ Oprah Winfrey, and so forth.

> The african american lobby argues that the civil war (and
> slavery) happened so that they can be the ultimate victims
> of american history.

>Sounds racist and kooky, doesn’t it? Let me compare
>ot point by point with the Denier thesis:

You appear to be unaware of the documentation I have mentioned above which is
only the tip of iceberg in the amount of documentation available for that war.

Then of course there are thousands of photographs as literally millions of
sketches (as was the method of the day) that were published during the war in
newspapers and magazines. Still today many buildings have preserved reminders
of war damages.

There are monuments all over the country that were erected shortly after the
war. Millions of letters written home. Millions of words in the Congressional
record debating matters leading up to, during and following the war.

But of course you would pretend that only history books apply and ignore
hundreds of tons of documentation that exist. Rather foolish of you to take
that position.

>1) Where are the gas chambers? all this time we
> revisionists have been asking to see a working
> gas chamber. Surely if millions died in these chambers
> historians could at least produce >one< working gas chamber >
> I mean, we’ve been shown a pile of rubble at the so-called
> extermination complex of Auschwitz, but what does that prove?

Not a thing without the requisite tons of documentation that parallel the War
between the States.

>2) Where are the documents discussing this ‘extermination?’
> we’ve been shown piles of documents discussing ‘resettlement’
> and alleged letters between Nazis, but no one can produce
> and document ordering the extermination of the Jews.

Quite correct and very unlike the War between the States.

>3) What about all those other documents, history books, eyewitness
> reports, etc? Well, they’re all the product of the Jewish lobby
> that controls the media in this country. Don’t believe me? look at
> all the Jews in the media: Michael Eisner, Steven Speilberg, etc.
> etc.

> The Jewish lobby argues that the holocaust happened so that
> they can be the utilmate vicitms in european history.

So where are the tons of documentation that parallels what is available for the
War between the States?

>Now, if I argued _either_ of these cases, these students
>would laugh in my face (and rightly so).

Only the first one. They would simply assume that similar documentation exists
for gassing when it does not.

>The point, Kurt, is that there _is_ copious amounts of evidence
>for both events, and the notion of a Jewish ‘conspiracy’
>that fabricated the holocaust is as nonsensical as the notion of an
>african american one that fabricated the Civil War.

So where do we find the tons of documentation for gassing? So far three
possibles have been posted. That is hardly convincing.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:45:44 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>.

> COMMUNICATIONS CONCERNING U.S.S. LIBERTY

> …During the afternoon of June 7th, the Joint Chiefs of Staff decided to
>reposition U.S.S Liberty to move her further away from the coasts of the
>belligerent nations. In implementing that decision, a series of five
>messages from JCS and U.S commanders in the European Command were directed
>to U.S.S Liberty and other addresses. None of these messages had reached
>Liberty by 1200Z hours on June 8th, 13.5 hours after the first message
>was released for transmission. The circumstances surrounding the
>misrouting, loss and delay of these messages constitute one of the
>most incredible failures of communications in the history of the
>Department of Defense”.

>

Despite your implication, that does not justify Israelis murdering Americans.

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This is a minor point but it is of interest for the record.

Those revolutionaries that suicided at Massada? It is of interest that there is
absolutely no record of any of Manachem’s followers ever killed one Roman.
There are many records that they killed their co-religionists.

The conclusion is obvious as it is what members of the IDF swear to, to kill
those who disagree with their ideas but not the enemies of Israel.

They are not defenders but rather an inquisition.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 20 09:44:46 PDT 1996
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On Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:58:20 -0700, Marty Kelley wrote:

>On 18 Sep 1996, Richard Schultz wrote:

>> Actually, in my mind, by far the biggest weakness of his book was its
>> lack of footnotes (I have been told that Goldhagen’s book, which I have
>> not read, suffers from the same problem — so much for the quality of
>> historical research at Princeton and Harvard these days).

>Actually, the complaints about Goldhagen have been that it’s _overly_
>footnoted–about a quarter of the book is made up of exhaustive endnotes,
>which I found rather interesting reading in themselves. I would also
>agree, however, with one critic who said that G. could have benefited from
>a good editor–he repeats himself a bit.

Fascinating. It that is a book then I have three books in the next three
months.

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On 19 Sep 1996 14:56:31 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:

>: But as to McNamara, he and LBJ conspired to escalate the war in
>: Vietnam by lying about the Gulf of Tonkin incident so in fact there is
>: nothing I would put passed him. I have sugggested he be executed for
>: doing that.

>Is there anybody Matt doesn’t want executed? Bloodthirsty little troll,
>ain’t he?

I would only execute murderers like McNamara and all of the IDF in 1967 as a
minimum.

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On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:54:12, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>>From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
>>Subject: Re: Ausrotten again
>>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 21:34:36 GMT

>>On 16 Sep 1996 11:33:36 GMT, [email protected] (Richard Schultz) wrote:

>>>Capt. Peter Peachfuzz ([email protected]) wrote:

>>>[A few pointed questions deleted]

>>>: Yours are fewer but still my agreement with Netcom prohibits me from
>>>: proving you an idiot in your questions.

>>>I will confess that this is the first Usenet posting that has actually
>>>succeeded in making me laugh out loud in several months. Good work,
>>>Myshkin.

>[snip]

>> Now you know that cheap insults always lead to the following.

>Oh, that isn’t a cheap insult; you richly earned it. Probably about the only
>thing you’ve earned, but we already knew you were a leech.

Gee, another cheap insult.
On 3 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA) wrote:

>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.016
>Last-modified: 1993/03/22

> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])

> [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]

> THE TRIAL OF THE EXECUTIONER OF SOBIBOR
> Shimon Kanz

>A jury of judges, prosecutors and defendors who arrived from
>Germany and headed by the Israeli judge Dr. Beniski, heard testimony for
>3 days at the court of Tel Aviv. The testimony was given by Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann who survived after the revolt and who had refused to go to
>Germany in order to testify at the trial of the executioners of Sobibor.
>Her testimony led to a loud and stubborn victory of the persecution
> over the defense. The more she continued in her descriptions of
>the hell she had experienced the more appeased the noise of the
>prosecutors and their questions and comments stopped and they lowered
>their heads.

>In the eyes of the Jewish judge, who himself had tasted the camps of
>Hitler, stood tears and his voice hardly found its way through throat.

Obviously not impartial but then this is Israel.

> SPECTACLES OF CRUELTY

>”Don’t ask me for exact dates”, said Mrs. Lichtmann to the provocating
>and torturing questions of the lawyers. “At that time no calender
>existed but on the other hand I remember the events of those days which
>I am describing because they will remain deeply rooted in my memory
>throughout my life.”

It appears that unlike the war crimes trials, the defense was permitted a
meaningful crossexamination.

>The awful depressed the mood and atmosphere of the courtroom. Horrow
>accompanied the route from Krakow from where the Germans had openly
>exiled her, through Miliz, Dubinki, Charaschow, and other places on the
>bloody road to Sobibor. Physical and mental pains, blows and
>humiliations. Her husband Mark Weismann was killed with stones during
>the work in the camp Postak.

“Stone him. Stone him.”

“Jehovah! Jehovah!”

Stoned? Who biblical. But maybe he really just inhaled.

>The strikes and blows of the SS-men and Ukrainians while passing the
>”Spalier” (their lines) before the entrance of the concentration points.

>Already at the beginning of her simple words the lips whispered
>automatically: “Is this possible?” From where did this woman with her
>delicate face and blue eyes, take the strength to endure these tortures?
>From where did she have the strength to tell again of her suffering?

She was a prostitute, professional witness and avoiding prosecution for her
treatment of women in the camps as were so many of the witnesses.

> DEVILISH LAUGHTER DEAFENS THE SCREAMING OF THE DYING

Devilish laughter. Melodrama testified to in court. The evil always laugh as
devilishly as they can. Ming the Merciless did it too.

Is any adult to take this seriously? Of course not. Only holohuggers believe
this sort of crap.

>She recalls events of Jews struck and shot on Dobinko. In Dobinko the
>Jews were loaded on wagon trains that went to Charabishow.

>Planes flew over the train shooting with machine guns into the wagons.
>They lowered the planes so that we could see the faces of pilots.

And the pilots were also shooting at the drivers and the engine/horses of these
wagons, depending upon translation.

And
>when they stopped the shooting for a while we heard them laughing. The
>devilish laughter deafened the screaming of those laughing.

Devilish laughter heard from pilots in the air over the noise of the engine.
Real true holohugger fantasy life here. And they could see the faces of pilots
>from inside closed wagons. This woman certainly has to be paid for this
performance.

>On the way somewhere near to Dubinko, they were taken out of the wagons
>and the men and women were forced to strip off their clothes and to
>begin dancing. The voice of Mrs. Lichtmann breaks off.

Ah, yes, dancing. Dancing to the devil’s tune no doubt. Very efficient these
Nazis.

>Her face reflects her feeling of tortures and inability to tell all. Her
>words shiver and only an echoe is heard of those awful days which
>had become from day to day more terrible.

A true whacko so far.

>They were kept on the ground only one day. It was fenced in with barbed
>wire and again they were loaded on the wagons, like cattle from the
>slaughter and brought to Sobibor. Usually the journey from Charobichow
>took several hours. But then it extended to eternity and no one,
>neither Mrs. Lichtmann nor someone else from the survivors, remembers
>how long they travelled in the closed wagons.

So who could remember how long they traveled in closed wagons when they could
remember the faces of the pilots from the closed wagons? This person is truly
psychotic.

>Nevertheless, the journey lasted for a few days and the German soldiers
>were amused by their victims. There on the station before Sobibor the
>Ukrainians broke into the wagons and plundered jewelry and those who did
>not succeed to take of the ring of their finger in time, had the ring
>taken off together with the finger… “You don’t need either the finger
>nor the ring any more” the wild Ukrainians consoled their victims! “Soon
>you will be broiled and soap will be made from you, dist”.

Certainly fingers were just pulled off.

Tell me the truth. This was written by Stephen King, right?

>The Polish farmers also waited in front of the entrance to Sobibor and
>shouted at the Jews in the transports. “Throw us your money, anyway it
>will not redeem you from death, you are going to the gas chamber.”

But it was a secret and the farmers could not know about it.

But here it is not a secret and they do know about it.

It is also an interesting speech. Maybe it translates to a chant.

You will note below that no one understood what was being said in the same
testimony.

> THE SPEECH TO THE TRANSPORTS

>The shouts of the Poles penetrated into the conscience of those weakened
>from hunger and thrust pains and agony and they started
>screaming and yelling thus deafening the camp.

>The SS-man Michel who was called by the camp inhabitants “the speaker”
>as he received the arrivals with a prepared speech, did not have what
> to say to the Polish Jews. Those were received with whips and
>gunshots. The Polish farmers also shouted at the Jews from Holland,
>Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Greece – but those did
>not understand the meaning of their shouts.

They did not understand the shouts. Then where did the translation of the chant
above come from? This witness?

>At their arrival to the camp they were welcomed with a speech by Michel:
>”You have to be disciplined. Strip off your clothes, make a nice bundle
>of them and attach them to the luggage, in order to recognize them
>immediately after the shower, because you will not receive other
>clothes here.”

Right, bundles of clothes. Every found a bundle of clothes. No one has.

>Among the transport of 7,000 men with whom Ada Lichtmann arrived in the
>year 1942 and who went on the same day to the gas chamber only three
>women survived chosen to work in the laundry. With an indication of his
>finger the SS-commander took her out of the line and asked her for
>profession. When she answered that she was a teacher he and his
>assistants broke out in laughter: “We will teach you to be a
>laundress… Choose two other girls.” Her closest friends Bela Sobol and
>Sarka Katz were already beyond the gate on the way to the crematorium,
>but she managed to get them out of the line.

In other words, like the soap threat earlier, she has no knowledge of what
happened after that point. The gassing all her fantasy.

>The Jews believed the Germans and in astonishing order they packed their
>belongings and after an hour not even one was alive, only a few
>craftsmen were allowed to survive.

But she has no way of knowing.

> SHOUTS GOING UP TO THE SKY IN THE NIGHT

>We three organized the laundry in the camp. Until then the German
>officers too were dirty and lice-infected. In the course of time the
>laundry was enlarged and women from other transports arriving daily were
>distributed to us. The judges realized how Mrs. Lichtmann hesitates in
>her narration and talk to her kindly: “Talk, remember as much as you
>can”.

They organized a non-existant laudry and then that non-existant laundry was
expanded.

Note here that the judge leads the witness. A typical war crimes tactic.

>The tension in the hall extended also to the memory of the woman. She
>feels the good eyes of Dr. Beinski on her and of the stenotypist, a
>Lieutenant in the police Mrs. Hela Koslowski who stops her tears while
>writing every word going out of her mouth.

>The Germans do not want to hear about what she knows to tell but what
>she has seen with her own eyes.

Who is it that does not want hearsay?

But how can she not tell about the
>shouts of women who arrived with the night transports.

That is a question and she can not tell because she did not witness it. What in
the hell does the author think witness means?

The heartbreaking
>shouts and screaming ceased for a moment and then once again beginning
>penetrating the limbs and soul. The SS-men boasted the next day that
>they raped the most beautiful women in front of the whole transport.

But she was not raped. Must have been real ugly.

>Generally the transports arrived during the day. Once on a hot summerday
>a transport arrived with thursty people as it had been for several
>days since they had tasted a drop of water. The SS-officer allowed some
>to go and fetch water, but there the “Unterscharfu”hrer” Michel was
>already waiting for them and he made them run to a dug uphole which
>served as a privy and forced them to smear their body and face with the
>excrement. And thus he brought them back to the thursty people of
>the transport. From another transport young men were forced to beat each
>other to death. The last one remaining from this terrible battle was
>shot by the Germans.

And all of this from what she did not witness. Quite amazing that this is
level of testimony that was introduced in capital trials. Even more interesting
that crossexamination was not permitted.

> HEROIC DEEDS IN SOBIBOR

>The stories of Mrs. Lichtmann and her husband whom she met in Sobibor
>after the revolt are horrifying.

>They tell how the semi-alive victims tried to maintain to the last
>moment not only their human faces but also their human soulds. They tell
>about women who tried to save their children and were desparately driven
>to perform heroic deeds: About young mothers who attempted with their
>own bodies to cover and to defend their children. They tell about the
>Jewish officer of the Spanish civil war who immediately after his
>arrival tried organizing a revolt. The Germans found out about it and
>they chose 72 men and sent them to the crematorium. This massacre was
>supervised by the “Oberscharfu”hrer” Frenzel whose trial is taking place
>at the present inferment. Returning from the scene of the murder he
>ordered the quick erection of a temporary stage out of some planks,
>called for the orchestra, gathered the women and told them to sing and
>dance.

Thank you, Steven Speilberg. Jewrassic Pork lives.

>This Frenzel once caught a boy red-handed, eating sardines, he gathered
>all the Jews from the barracks and in front of all he shot the child.

Eating sardines. Are they not Kosher?

>Sobibor did not become at once a concentration of plants and workshops.
>The camp gradually expanded, developed slowly, erecting all kind
>of workshops. There work was done only for the German officers and
>guards. Coats, dresses, furs were sewn there for them, their wives and
>mistresses. Very few Jews were sent to the forest to shop trees.
>Once the Jews of such a group attacked their guards, killed them and
>escaped. The Germans took revenge on other Jews. But all considered the
>heroism of the escaped as a miracle and dreamt of doing the same.

Giving the number of escapes from A-B and every camp this is old news.

> THE REBELLION COMMITTEE

>Sasha Pizurski who was brought to the camp with a group of prisoners of
>the Russian army immediately formed a committee to prepare a revolt. To
>this committee belonged also the heroes Leibl Feldhendler, Shaul
>Felischmann and others who strongly detested the Germans and had decided
>revenge.

Excuse me. It took people who detested to Germans to arrive to organize this
and yet the people there knew of 95%+ being gassed by them?

>In the barracks weapons were started to appear: axes and knives. How
>dangerous this was! How much courage, cunning, patience you had to use
>in order to conceal this. Many efforst of the spirit and mind, will and
>courage had to be used to take guns, rifles, bullets from the
>storehouses. The participants of this operation were divided into
>groups. The plan was worked out to the smallest details: Every group
>and its duties – really imaginative tasks: Some had to assault the
>guardtowers where the guards sat with machineguns; some had to tempt
>the officers into coming into the workshops; others had to attack the
>guards that were wandering about. Special men had to cut off the
>telephone and electricity lines and tear down the barbed wires – to make
>passage ways.

But gassing most of the arrivals was not enough.

> THE MALIGNENT BLOOD OF THE SS-MEN IS SHED

>The revolt was fixed for October 14, 1943. 700 condemned to death
>enthusiastically took their fate into their own hands. Until the
>prearranged sign was given every group had performed its tasks well.
>Nevertheless things which had not been expected in advance happened.
>Guns started firing from both sides, axes and knives greedy for blood
>shone in the air and the whole camp changed into a battlefield. On this
>day, October 14, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon there began on the
>hellground of Sobibor the shedding of the malignent blood of the SS-men
>and their Ukrainian assistants. Those who had been so sure of themselves
>when millions of innocent women and children were led to death, seemed
>now anxious and inferior, they became confused and ran like mice into
>the trap looking for a hiding place.

Sobibor gasse millions. How can the world have missed this.

>The SS-men and the police pursued the escapers. They mobilized airplanes
>and the Polish farmers of the area to help them pursue the fleeing Jews.
>Only a few pitied the victims and did not hand them over to the Germans.
>Out of 700 escaping from Sobibor only about 30 survived. Also Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann and two of her friends, one of them a Polish woman called
>Alina Stern-Sofermann, who is living in Israel succeeded, with help of
>some young Poles, in arriving to the partisans in the woods of Parzew
>and continued their war against the German army. But until they reached
>the forest they wandered around day and night around the camp, living
>of tree leaves and poisonous mushrooms that so burned their
>intestines that they wished to die.

They did not live off of them.

>They lowered their eyes and one of them was turning his head from side
>to side replied: “No, we did not easily agree to accept such a mission.
>It was forced upon us officially”. And the second added: “Its a good
>thing that you did not agree to come to Germany,,,, so we were enabled
>to come to Israel, a wonderful journey.” One of the present in the hall
>heard this conversation said: “The blood of the Jews shed by the Germans
>flowed like a river. Don’t you think that by defending the murderers you
>emphasize the responsibility of the German people of what took place.”
>The two defenders ignoring the question avoided answering and the
>question remained unanswered.

Most likely they would have been shot for doing so. That is the way the
holocaust works.

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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:31:48 GMT, [email protected] (Angus M. McLellan) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>
>[email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>>[email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>>>
>>> The Jews have collected billions of $$$$$, hundreds of billions
>>>$$$$$, from exploiting the Holocaust story.
>>>
>>> What do they do with this $$$,$$$,$$$,$$$?
>>>
>>> Well we could suppose much of it has gone to the Jewish state.
>>>
>>> And, we might suppose much of it has been pooled to acquire U.S.
>>>holdings, from apartment houses to major buildings to U.S.
>>>corporations and major medias.

>I presume that there is no likelihood of any evidence supporting this
>assertion being provided by Mr Moran.

>> Hitler started WW II, in a way. The Holocaust story rose from the
>>WW II story. The Holocaust story instigated the establishment of
>>Israel. The Jewish state gave rise to it’s “lobby” network here in the
>>United States. The network infiltrated every aspect of American life.
>>The result indicates Hitler won the war.

>Hitler started WWII. The Holocaust occured during WWII. So far, so
>good.

>As for WWII “instigating” the creation of Israel, I suppose that means
>that Moran has never heard of the Balfour Declaration ?

And the Balfour Declaration was a quid pro quo to the Zionist movement in the
WJC for getting the US to support England in WW I. How far back do you want to
take cause and effect?

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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 15:01:16 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> That is a real true eyewitness that OBC vouches for. I have
>posted it many
>> times. Can’t you read?

>Yes, I can read.
>
>What Iread is that Mr. Giwer is NOT posting from netcom, although he
>persists in using as his “return” address “[email protected]
>
>He is, in fact, posting from AT&T Worldnet.
>
>And he is STILL a liar.

Is there something you find credible about “satanic laughter” and seeing faces
>from the inside of a covered truck?

You are a very silly, gullible little goose. Let me guess. You are Jewish.
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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 00:27:07 -0700, Brian Harmon wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:

>> And of course the physical evidence of Dresden does not require one bit of
>> personal testimony. However, for the steaming alive stories that is all there
>> is to support the yiddish holocaust.

>What physical evidence is this?

>As of yet, i’ve seen no evidence for this Dresden ‘firebombing.’

Are you claiming you have never seen the bombsight films of it happening and of
course they are traceable by records by reel number to flight number.

Are you claiming you have never heard of personnel assignments to planes and
planes assigned to the raid?

Are you claiming you have never seen the damage assessment films?

Are you claiming there are no inventory records connecting the bomb types to the
raids?

Are you claiming the planning documentation and minutes of the planning meetings
do not exist?

People are not needed at all to document what happened. In fact witnesses do
nothing more than add color.

Now compare all of that to the complete lack of any films of people geing
gassed, the lack of records of people being gassed, the lack of any inventory
being assigned to gassing and the lack of everything else but people who claim
to have witnessed it but who report the impossible.

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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:19:16 -0400, “Annie Alpert, OFB”
wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>>>Indeed, all Nizkor ever talks about is Holocaust, Holocaust, Holocaust…> aren’t there any other Holocausts worth defending than this one?

>Ask yourself THIS question instead–which other acts of genocide are
>attacked by those who hate the victims?

Please first evidence that anyone hates any victims.

I know that you assume “hated” status but that does no make it true. So you
have to estabilsh such hatred and can not assume it.

So just how can you think you can get away with claiming that a true statement
about jews is a hatred of jews.

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On 19 Sep 1996 22:25:18 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>: On 16 Sep 1996 20:03 MST, [email protected] (Danny Mittleman)
>: wrote:
>Giwer wrote:

>: >> The facts are otherwise. First, there are exactly two historians
>: >> who have investigated and published on the holocaust.

>: > Giwer is simply wrong. And it is simple for anyone to verify this.
>:
>: Name THREE historians with their degree credentials.

>That’s ALL? You want three historians who’ve investigated and published
>on the Holocaust? That’s it?

>Listen, Matt–I gotta ask you something. Are you some kind of masochist,
>to be making a challenge like this? Because I have to tell you, this
>is going to be the easiest thing I’ve done all day…

>Okay, I’m back. Took about fifteen minutes in the reference section
>of the library where I work:

>1) Christopher R. Browning, Ph.D. University of Wisconsin-Madison,
> 1975. Professor of History, Pacific Lutheran University, Tacoma,
> Washington. Author: _The Path to Genocide_, Cambridge University
> Press, 1992.

Degree in what field?

>2) Frank M. Buscher, Ph.D. Marquette University, 1988. Professor
> of History, Christian Bros. College, Memphis, Tennessee. Author:
> _The U.S. War Crimes Trial Program in Germany_, Greenwood Press,
> 1989.

Degree in what field? What publications on gassing?

>3) Jacob Boas, Ph.D. University of California, 1977. Director of
> Education and Research, Holocaust Center of Northern California.
> Author: _Boulevard de Miseres; the Story of Transit Camp
> Westerbork_ Archon Books, 1985.

Degree in what field? What publications on gassing?

>You don’t look too bad–here’s another:

>4) Gerhard Weinberg, Ph.D. University of Chicago, 1951. William Rand
> Kenan Professor of History, University of North Carolina, Chapel
> Hill. Author: Germany, Hitler and World War II, Cambridge
> University Press, 1995.

Degree in what field? What publications on gassing?

>That’s all based on a few minutes with a holocaust bibliography
>and the Directory of American Scholars, Matt. You were saying?

Go back and do some more.

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The holohuggers have, to a critter, sided with the murderous Israelis, against
the Americans they murdered.

Now we know what traitors they really are.

If there was ever any doubt, we know where their loyalties lie.

Their loyalties lie with the murdering jews in Isreal.
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On 18 Sep 1996 21:38:56 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>> Brian Harmon writes:

>>
>> Well, ‘reasonable suspicion’ has made me check up on Ho”ss’s memoirs,
>> trial testimony, and his capture.
>>
>> Yes, he was beaten and interrogated.
>>
>> He never once recanted his story, (snip)

>> The only revision he did make was to say that the figures he gave during
>> the trial were too high.

>> He instead estimated about 1.13 million people died in Auschwitz,
>> which is markedly similar to estimates that Hilberg and Piper
>> reached by independent methods.
>>
>> Odd, don’t you think? If he was forced to tell the ‘orthodox story,’
>> Why didn’t they make him either say four million dead, or at least
>> stick to his first figure of 2.5 million?
>>
>>
>> Brian Harmon
>> ==========================
>> [email protected]
>>
>>>>>
>This is indeed a good point, which I do not have an answer for at the moment.
>I dislike having to resort to speculation, but that is apparently all we have to
>go on right now. As to the lowering of the figure-it is indeed odd, however, it is
>also odd that the authorities at Auschwitz continued to maintain that 4 million
>people had been killed at the camp until very recently. They even had the
>figure chiseled into the stone monuments adorning the camp, before which Pope
>John Paul genuflected a few years back, along with many other foreign
>dignitaries. Since then, those figures have been chiseled out of the monuments
>themselves! If the Auschwitz authorities really believed what Hoess had to
>say-why did they ignore BOTH of his estimates, and ADD them together to
>maintain an imposture? After reviewing the treatment meted out to SS personnel
>as well as to German civilians innocent of any wrong doing whatsoever, I must
>suggest, based upon reason, that Hoess’s memoirs were indeed scrutinized by his overseers for
>whatever reasons. This is why I take everything Hoess has to say with a
>grain of salt, until it is confirmed by other credible documentary sources. Few
>human beings were as hated as Hoess at the end of the war, especially by
>the Soviets and Poles. They, like Hoess, do not have a good track record. As to
>why he never recanted, I think the answer lies in fears for the safety of his family.
>He did have a wife and children, who were threatened with deportation to the
>Soviet Union had he not complied with demands for a confession.

Finally someone who can do arithmetic. Congratulations! Thank you!

You must have avoided public school.

Yes, you are correct!

6 minus 3 equals 3.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 20 11:46:45 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:03:54 -0800, [email protected] (Rajiv K.
Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:

>> Zen Buddha says: If you are seeking for the truth, look for a lie…and
>> that’s why revisionists are here: we are seeking the truth.

>Of course, the only lies are the ones fabricated by the revisionists. In
>your case, the following example is glaringly present:

>In a recent email, later posted to the Usenet, you made the following claim
>about the SWC:

>”What do you say to the fact that many Jewish publications also quoted
>this 4,000,000 figure for YEARS until the research made primarily by
>revisionist scholars embarrassed the hell out of them. Why did the Simon
>Wiesenthal Center keep silent on this figure until recently? Could MONEY
>have anything to do with it?”

>You have yet to answer the following questions without prevarication:

>(1) why you made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding the SWC
>(2) where is the proof for the following:
> (a) that the SWC promoted the figure of 4 million knowing it was wrong
> (b) that this was done for money
>(3) when you can’t provide that proof, he is requested to revist part
>1 and supply the truth.
========
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: When I said it
From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:16:53 GMT

When I said it, I was told by the legal experts here that I was wrong.

“No matter how many books are written or briefs filed, no matter how finely the
lawyers analyzed it, the crime for which the Nazis were tried had never been
formalized as a crime with the definiteness required by our legal standards, nor
outlawed with a death penalty by the international community. By our standards
that crime arose under an ex post facto law. Goering et al deserved severe
punishment. But their guilt did not justify us in substituting power for
principle.”

–U.S. Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
Kennedy, Profiles in Courage p.190.

I would say it is good company to be wrong with.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 20 12:25:34 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:54:20 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>Testimony of Herta Ehlert, a member of the SS unit at Belsen (p. 709):
>———————————————————————
>The conditions in Belsen were a shame and a disgrace. I consider
>that the people chiefly responsible were Kramer the Kommandant,
>Dr. Horstmann, Untersturmfuehrer Klipp, who was for some time
>Kramer’s second in command, and Haupsturfuehrer Vogler, who
>worked in Kramer’s office and was responsible for food supply.
>I say that Kramer was responsible for the conditions, among
>other reasons, because on one occasion when I complained of the
>increasing death rate to Kramer he replied, “let them die, why
>should you care?”.

>

You left out the part of the testimony where Kramer gave out with a Satanic
laugh and forced Ehlert to dance naked in the light of the full moon to Wagner’s
music.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 20 13:16:14 PDT 1996
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Quite surprising that no one has mentioned that in the 1920s the only way to get
a secure job was through bribery.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 20 13:16:15 PDT 1996
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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 12:07:22 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>And while we’re at it, WHY does Mr. Giwer pretend he is still with netcom,
>when it is obvious that they have dumped his sorry ass?

>[email protected]

>is NOT a netcom account.
>
>Once again, Mr. Giwer shows what a lousy liar he is.
>
>Sara

>–
>”I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy.”
> Samuel Butler

It must have been your autistic son who pointed that out to you.

It is obvious you are incapable of it.

Perhaps you did not lie.
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 20 13:25:09 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: USS Liberty
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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 15:40:09 -0700, jim wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:

>>
>> >Similarly, Jim Ennes and Liberty-fandom spend a great deal of time arguing —
>> >with perhaps more heat than light — that the Liberty *couldn’t* have been
>> >unintentionally targeted,
>>
>> This explained your problem. The argument is clearly that it WAS DELIBERATELY
>> targeted which is clearly the case.
>>
>> and very little on their theory of what actually
>> >happened, other than to stomp about and repeat that Dean Risk and Admiral
>> >Moorer agree with it, whatever it might be.

>Much, much more than the fact that nearly every member of the LBJ
>administration agrees that the attack was deliberately conducted against
>a ship known to be American. Much more.

>For the facts, visit our web site at
>http://www.ussliberty.org/jim/ussliberty/ .
>Check out our essay contest at
>http://www.ussliberty.org/jim/ussliberty/ .

>Jim Ennes
>Liberty survivor



Robert McNamara, Traitor


by


Matt Giwer (c) 1995 <4/18>




Perhaps traitor is not the right word. How about accomplice
war? That isn’t a recognized crime. How about unethical? That
does not seem strong enough.


What is the right characterization who takes an oath to
uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States and then
remains silent while man who appointed him invents an incident
that escalates a war? A simple statement to the press such as,
“It did not happen,” would have been sufficient at the time.


But that is not the extent of his acts. While knowing the
Gulf of Tonkin incident did not occur he proceeded conduct the
war resulting in over 57,000 American deaths.


Of course he has an excuse for remaining silent, loyalty to
Lyndon Baines Johnson. That LBJ has been dead for some 15 years
does not appear to bother him. That LBJ is already dead only
means he has cheated the gallows.


The lying son of a bitch who let tens of thousands of
Americans go to their deaths by his silence has earned a much
slower execution than the gallows.


Of course there can be excuses made for him as excuses could
be made for Hanibal Lechter. We can certainly find loyalty the
same redeeming feature in him that we found in Himmler. The
worshippers can certainly hold his mind in too complex to be held
to the rules the govern mere mortals.


And of course bulls defecate. The man not only has on his
hands the blood of tens of thousands of Americans but hundreds of
thousands of Vietnamese. He is responsible, along with his dead
leader, for everything that has come from our national disaster
in Vietnam. His absolute lack of moral character is notable in
its admission at this late date but the late admission does not
mean the man has ever had any character in his life.


This is not an act of contrition. When asked how people can
prevent his type from doing it again he answers the people are
not capable of preventing his type from killing again.


Just who is it that is incapable? The voters of course. He
says we need to elect people smarter than ourselves (does anyone
imagine he considers himself dumber than average?) but that we
are not capable of doing that. Just what is he saying?


That he is smarter than us but we need to elect people
smarter than us but we are not capable of doing so.


Am I missing something here or is he really saying he has an
IQ under 100? Or am I reading it correctly and he is saying his
type can “outsmart” the electorate and get elected anyway?


What he should be saying is that people without character
such as himself and LBJ should not be elected. That character
should come first and then, of those who appear to have
character, the best should be chosen. He should be saying people
like himself should never be trusted with any power of any kind.


But he is not. He is trying to talk his way out of the
gallows which he so richly deserves. Why he has placed his head
through the noose is the only thing he has not explained.


Further distribution is encouraged by the author.

P.O. Box 82541, Tampa, Florida, 33682-2541, Bus. 813-969-0362

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 20 15:53:05 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:52:39, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>Dear Mr. Giwer,

>I’ve just come back from taking a look at your website, and it’s clear I owe
>you an apology. It’s obvious that you are a deeply sick old man, alone and
>lonely, who really has no function in the world, and who also clearly either
>is, alas, on the wrong antipsychotic medication. (One of the sad things about
>the US medical system is that it really does a poor job of serving the needs
>of people in your situation, and I wish it did better.)

Do you really think you can cover your deep seated jewish hatred of America with
a statement like that?

Jew scum.

From [email protected] Fri Sep 20 15:53:06 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: USS Liberty: Interview with a Surviving Marine
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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:49:46 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
># [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>## The “deliberate attack” theory is a myth, just like the
>## myth that the Israeli pilots were heard talking in
>## English (!!), and telling each other “why were we
>## ordered to attack an American ship?”.

># You expected them to speak Hebrew? Yiddish?

>Hebrew, of course. You’re really crazy to think IDF pilots
>will be speaking in English?

And you are very, very ignorant if you think one person in a hundred in Israel
speaks Hebrew beyond Torah reading. Hebrew died out as a living language more
than two thousand years ago.

>## The ship was misidentified as an Egyptian ship.

># Which is absolutely impossible due to size, profile,
># antennas and flag.

>Tell that to the American pilots who shot down two US
>helicopters over Iraq.

Those helicopters were never in visual range. And it was NOT done by murdering
jews.

>Mistakes happen during wars. Period.

The Liberty was examined for ten minutes before the murder started.

It is impossible for them not to know what they were doing.

># You side with murderers. You are no better than a murderer.

>Let it be noted again that Giwer defines everyone who disgrees
>with him about a certain historical event as a “murderer”.

>A fine example for “revisionist support for freedom of speech”.

I define anyone who sides with murderers as a murder. That means you, jew.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 20 15:53:07 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: USS Liberty
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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:59:47, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]> jim writes:

>>>
>>> >Similarly, Jim Ennes and Liberty-fandom spend a great deal of time arguing —
>>> >with perhaps more heat than light — that the Liberty *couldn’t* have been
>>> >unintentionally targeted,
>>>
>>> This explained your problem. The argument is clearly that it WAS DELIBERATELY
>>> targeted which is clearly the case.
>>>
>>> and very little on their theory of what actually
>>> >happened, other than to stomp about and repeat that Dean Risk and Admiral
>>> >Moorer agree with it, whatever it might be.

>>Much, much more than the fact that nearly every member of the LBJ
>>administration agrees that the attack was deliberately conducted against
>>a ship known to be American. Much more.

>And there you do it again, Jim: instead of putting forth a theory to
>explain your curious assertion that the Liberty was both deliberately
>attacked and not sunk, you, again, insist that other people agree with you,
>and turn to the unfortunate Mr. Giwer as an ally.

Only a traitorous jew would expect a theory to explain the dead. What do you
imagine needs a theory? Their graves?

Israelis murdered them. Traitorous jews parrot Israeli lies about their
murders.

But then, who gives a rat’s ass about slimy, jew traitors save to repeat to them
what they are?

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On Tue, 17 Sep 96 22:00:14, [email protected] wrote:

>Interesting Fiction.

>Otherwise.

>Idiotic repetition.

Your exposition of the converted but nonchosen people has been appreciated,
murderer.

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Subject: Re: The USS Liberty Tragedy: Communication Failure
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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:56:09 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>## COMMUNICATIONS CONCERNING U.S.S. LIBERTY

>[…]

># Despite your implication, that does not justify Israelis
># murdering Americans.

>The point, which you apparently managed to overlook, is that
>the ship was not supposed to be there; however, a “most
>incredible failure of communications”, to quote the report,
>resulted in the loss of the messages ordering it to move
>away from the war zone.

It was the open ocean, lying, traitorous murderer.

>The attack was an error; if there was any “cover-up”, it was
>a cover-up of the fact that this “most incredible failure”,
>of the American Armed Forces, resulted in the ship being sent
>to the midst of a war.

Your fellow jew murderers did it.

>And the fact remains that, because my opinion on this
>historical event is different from yours, you declared that
>I am a “traitor” who should be executed.

That is because you are a lying traitor for trying to cover up for your fellow
jew murderers.

>Your “support” for freedom of speech is, of course, well-known.

I fully support your right to show to the world just what you jew murderers are
like. The more you murderers post the more I like it.

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For years now holohuggers have LIED about those showerheads not being connected
to plumbing. Here is gosh awful for real TRUE testimony that they were
connected to water and that the holohuggers have been lying about it.

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Dr. Henry Heller was “saved” at Auschwitz when a former
colleague, a German, recognized him as he was being led to the gas
chambers and “mercifully turned on the water instead of the gas.”
(Chicago Tribune, May 4, 1975)

===

Why have you holohuggers been lying all these years about the water connections?

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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:31:13 GMT, [email protected] (Miloslav Bilik)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> It is interesting to note that although there is a single rail line running past
>>the place there is no spur for getting cars off of the main track for unloading.
>>It is interesting that such a basic and critical feature for such a major
>>operation does not exist.

>> This would have greatly compounded the unloading problems so as to clear the
>>track for the next train.

>Treblinka itself had a ramp aside a line leading to the oldest camp 1,
>a quarry 2 kms after.

I have looked at the aerial photo. There is no such thing in it.

>What is disagreeable is that you give frankly the impression of a
>total ignorance, that you never read nothing on these subjects and
>that you inform especially in the group by telling every crap
>randomly.

Rather I do look into things rather than repeat nonsense such as you have just
done.

>The group is not intended for this use. Read something first,
>revisionists or classic authors and intervene after. A revisionist
>normally documented wouldn’t never make a such claim. We’re not a
>nursery school..

I would suggest you follow your own advice first.

Look at the picture of Treblinka before you make up stuff like this. It will
add to the discussion.

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On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 06:09:32 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>SS-Doctor Kremer about his days at Auschwitz:
>[Quoted in ‘The Good Old Days’ – E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
>Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 258].
>——————————————————————-
>I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups
>of women [from the women’s camp in Auschwitz]. I cannot say how
>big the group was. when I got close to the bunker I saw them
>sitting on the ground. They were still clothed. As they were
>wearing worn-out camp clothing they were not left in the undressing
>hut but made to undress in the open air.

Nekkid women! nekkid women! Make ’em dance and sing! (Satanic laughter rises
in the background.)

I concluded from the
>behavior of these women that they had no doubt what fate awaited
>them, as they begged and sobbed to the SS men to spare them their
>lives. However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed.
>As an anatomist I have seen a lot of terrible things: I had had
>a lot of experience with dead bodies, and yet what I saw that
>day was like nothing I had ever seen before. Still completely
>shocked by what I had seen I wrote on my diary on 5 September
>1942: “The most dreadful of horrors. Hauptscharfuehrer Thilo was
>right when he said to me today that this is the ‘anus mundi’, the
>anal orifice of the world”. I used this image because I could not
>imagine anything more disgusting and horrific.

Ah yes, he has never seen anything so horrible as a pile of bodies that died
painlessly with a few breaths. And he was shocked by it.

Perhaps it was the gelatinous masses of flesh. Perhaps it was the torn off
fingers and ears.

But then why would anyone admit to consorting with Satan knowing the penalty for
doing so?

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On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:55:21 -0700, [email protected] (Rajiv K.
Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> All of the old shit has been recycled one more time.
>>
>> There is no change.
>>
>> Israel murdered American citizens.
>>
>> The lies of Israel are as expected from admitted murderers like
>Alec Grynspan.

>This of course, has absolutely no bearing on the FACT (as opposed to delusion,
>something with which you seem intimately familiar) that your impotent
>posterboy for hate, Hitler, and his Nazi throng, systematically set out to
>exterminate more than 6 million people, including Jews, Homosexuals,
>politicial prisoners (some of whom were imprisoned for taking it upon
>themselves to speak freely, I suppose), Gypsies, and any other
>Œundesireable¹ who didn¹t fit with the beady eyed, flatulent little troll
>(still taking about Hitler, not you) and his bland idea of Utopia.

>But then, as has been pointed out to you in the past, you are little more
>than an admitted troll:

> “You keep reading [my posts] and keep posting about them.
> That will waste your time while I concentrate on posting the
> idiocies of the holohuggers. I will post just enough to you
> folks to keep you interested and keep your limited time
> wasted. I have 18 hours a day seven days a week if I wish.”

> – Giwer, Message-ID <[email protected]>

>Of course it gets worse – not only are you a troll, but you are a troll
>who resorts to continual lies, harassment, threats, and general
>prevarication in an attempt to deny what you know to be truth – you,
>little man, are completely devoid of anything resembling decency,
>morality, and integrity.

>For confirmation and reference, please examine the copious documentation
>available at

>[incoherent Giwer .sig deleted]
On 3 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA) wrote:

>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.016
>Last-modified: 1993/03/22

> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])

> [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]

> THE TRIAL OF THE EXECUTIONER OF SOBIBOR
> Shimon Kanz

>A jury of judges, prosecutors and defendors who arrived from
>Germany and headed by the Israeli judge Dr. Beniski, heard testimony for
>3 days at the court of Tel Aviv. The testimony was given by Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann who survived after the revolt and who had refused to go to
>Germany in order to testify at the trial of the executioners of Sobibor.
>Her testimony led to a loud and stubborn victory of the persecution
> over the defense. The more she continued in her descriptions of
>the hell she had experienced the more appeased the noise of the
>prosecutors and their questions and comments stopped and they lowered
>their heads.

>In the eyes of the Jewish judge, who himself had tasted the camps of
>Hitler, stood tears and his voice hardly found its way through throat.

Obviously not impartial but then this is Israel.

> SPECTACLES OF CRUELTY

>”Don’t ask me for exact dates”, said Mrs. Lichtmann to the provocating
>and torturing questions of the lawyers. “At that time no calender
>existed but on the other hand I remember the events of those days which
>I am describing because they will remain deeply rooted in my memory
>throughout my life.”

It appears that unlike the war crimes trials, the defense was permitted a
meaningful crossexamination.

>The awful depressed the mood and atmosphere of the courtroom. Horrow
>accompanied the route from Krakow from where the Germans had openly
>exiled her, through Miliz, Dubinki, Charaschow, and other places on the
>bloody road to Sobibor. Physical and mental pains, blows and
>humiliations. Her husband Mark Weismann was killed with stones during
>the work in the camp Postak.

“Stone him. Stone him.”

“Jehovah! Jehovah!”

Stoned? Who biblical. But maybe he really just inhaled.

>The strikes and blows of the SS-men and Ukrainians while passing the
>”Spalier” (their lines) before the entrance of the concentration points.

>Already at the beginning of her simple words the lips whispered
>automatically: “Is this possible?” From where did this woman with her
>delicate face and blue eyes, take the strength to endure these tortures?
>From where did she have the strength to tell again of her suffering?

She was a prostitute, professional witness and avoiding prosecution for her
treatment of women in the camps as were so many of the witnesses.

> DEVILISH LAUGHTER DEAFENS THE SCREAMING OF THE DYING

Devilish laughter. Melodrama testified to in court. The evil always laugh as
devilishly as they can. Ming the Merciless did it too.

Is any adult to take this seriously? Of course not. Only holohuggers believe
this sort of crap.

>She recalls events of Jews struck and shot on Dobinko. In Dobinko the
>Jews were loaded on wagon trains that went to Charabishow.

>Planes flew over the train shooting with machine guns into the wagons.
>They lowered the planes so that we could see the faces of pilots.

And the pilots were also shooting at the drivers and the engine/horses of these
wagons, depending upon translation.

And
>when they stopped the shooting for a while we heard them laughing. The
>devilish laughter deafened the screaming of those laughing.

Devilish laughter heard from pilots in the air over the noise of the engine.
Real true holohugger fantasy life here. And they could see the faces of pilots
>from inside closed wagons. This woman certainly has to be paid for this
performance.

>On the way somewhere near to Dubinko, they were taken out of the wagons
>and the men and women were forced to strip off their clothes and to
>begin dancing. The voice of Mrs. Lichtmann breaks off.

Ah, yes, dancing. Dancing to the devil’s tune no doubt. Very efficient these
Nazis.

>Her face reflects her feeling of tortures and inability to tell all. Her
>words shiver and only an echoe is heard of those awful days which
>had become from day to day more terrible.

A true whacko so far.

>They were kept on the ground only one day. It was fenced in with barbed
>wire and again they were loaded on the wagons, like cattle from the
>slaughter and brought to Sobibor. Usually the journey from Charobichow
>took several hours. But then it extended to eternity and no one,
>neither Mrs. Lichtmann nor someone else from the survivors, remembers
>how long they travelled in the closed wagons.

So who could remember how long they traveled in closed wagons when they could
remember the faces of the pilots from the closed wagons? This person is truly
psychotic.

>Nevertheless, the journey lasted for a few days and the German soldiers
>were amused by their victims. There on the station before Sobibor the
>Ukrainians broke into the wagons and plundered jewelry and those who did
>not succeed to take of the ring of their finger in time, had the ring
>taken off together with the finger… “You don’t need either the finger
>nor the ring any more” the wild Ukrainians consoled their victims! “Soon
>you will be broiled and soap will be made from you, dist”.

Certainly fingers were just pulled off.

Tell me the truth. This was written by Stephen King, right?

>The Polish farmers also waited in front of the entrance to Sobibor and
>shouted at the Jews in the transports. “Throw us your money, anyway it
>will not redeem you from death, you are going to the gas chamber.”

But it was a secret and the farmers could not know about it.

But here it is not a secret and they do know about it.

It is also an interesting speech. Maybe it translates to a chant.

You will note below that no one understood what was being said in the same
testimony.

> THE SPEECH TO THE TRANSPORTS

>The shouts of the Poles penetrated into the conscience of those weakened
>from hunger and thrust pains and agony and they started
>screaming and yelling thus deafening the camp.

>The SS-man Michel who was called by the camp inhabitants “the speaker”
>as he received the arrivals with a prepared speech, did not have what
> to say to the Polish Jews. Those were received with whips and
>gunshots. The Polish farmers also shouted at the Jews from Holland,
>Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Greece – but those did
>not understand the meaning of their shouts.

They did not understand the shouts. Then where did the translation of the chant
above come from? This witness?

>At their arrival to the camp they were welcomed with a speech by Michel:
>”You have to be disciplined. Strip off your clothes, make a nice bundle
>of them and attach them to the luggage, in order to recognize them
>immediately after the shower, because you will not receive other
>clothes here.”

Right, bundles of clothes. Every found a bundle of clothes. No one has.

>Among the transport of 7,000 men with whom Ada Lichtmann arrived in the
>year 1942 and who went on the same day to the gas chamber only three
>women survived chosen to work in the laundry. With an indication of his
>finger the SS-commander took her out of the line and asked her for
>profession. When she answered that she was a teacher he and his
>assistants broke out in laughter: “We will teach you to be a
>laundress… Choose two other girls.” Her closest friends Bela Sobol and
>Sarka Katz were already beyond the gate on the way to the crematorium,
>but she managed to get them out of the line.

In other words, like the soap threat earlier, she has no knowledge of what
happened after that point. The gassing all her fantasy.

>The Jews believed the Germans and in astonishing order they packed their
>belongings and after an hour not even one was alive, only a few
>craftsmen were allowed to survive.

But she has no way of knowing.

> SHOUTS GOING UP TO THE SKY IN THE NIGHT

>We three organized the laundry in the camp. Until then the German
>officers too were dirty and lice-infected. In the course of time the
>laundry was enlarged and women from other transports arriving daily were
>distributed to us. The judges realized how Mrs. Lichtmann hesitates in
>her narration and talk to her kindly: “Talk, remember as much as you
>can”.

They organized a non-existant laudry and then that non-existant laundry was
expanded.

Note here that the judge leads the witness. A typical war crimes tactic.

>The tension in the hall extended also to the memory of the woman. She
>feels the good eyes of Dr. Beinski on her and of the stenotypist, a
>Lieutenant in the police Mrs. Hela Koslowski who stops her tears while
>writing every word going out of her mouth.

>The Germans do not want to hear about what she knows to tell but what
>she has seen with her own eyes.

Who is it that does not want hearsay?

But how can she not tell about the
>shouts of women who arrived with the night transports.

That is a question and she can not tell because she did not witness it. What in
the hell does the author think witness means?

The heartbreaking
>shouts and screaming ceased for a moment and then once again beginning
>penetrating the limbs and soul. The SS-men boasted the next day that
>they raped the most beautiful women in front of the whole transport.

But she was not raped. Must have been real ugly.

>Generally the transports arrived during the day. Once on a hot summerday
>a transport arrived with thursty people as it had been for several
>days since they had tasted a drop of water. The SS-officer allowed some
>to go and fetch water, but there the “Unterscharfu”hrer” Michel was
>already waiting for them and he made them run to a dug uphole which
>served as a privy and forced them to smear their body and face with the
>excrement. And thus he brought them back to the thursty people of
>the transport. From another transport young men were forced to beat each
>other to death. The last one remaining from this terrible battle was
>shot by the Germans.

And all of this from what she did not witness. Quite amazing that this is
level of testimony that was introduced in capital trials. Even more interesting
that crossexamination was not permitted.

> HEROIC DEEDS IN SOBIBOR

>The stories of Mrs. Lichtmann and her husband whom she met in Sobibor
>after the revolt are horrifying.

>They tell how the semi-alive victims tried to maintain to the last
>moment not only their human faces but also their human soulds. They tell
>about women who tried to save their children and were desparately driven
>to perform heroic deeds: About young mothers who attempted with their
>own bodies to cover and to defend their children. They tell about the
>Jewish officer of the Spanish civil war who immediately after his
>arrival tried organizing a revolt. The Germans found out about it and
>they chose 72 men and sent them to the crematorium. This massacre was
>supervised by the “Oberscharfu”hrer” Frenzel whose trial is taking place
>at the present inferment. Returning from the scene of the murder he
>ordered the quick erection of a temporary stage out of some planks,
>called for the orchestra, gathered the women and told them to sing and
>dance.

Thank you, Steven Speilberg. Jewrassic Pork lives.

>This Frenzel once caught a boy red-handed, eating sardines, he gathered
>all the Jews from the barracks and in front of all he shot the child.

Eating sardines. Are they not Kosher?

>Sobibor did not become at once a concentration of plants and workshops.
>The camp gradually expanded, developed slowly, erecting all kind
>of workshops. There work was done only for the German officers and
>guards. Coats, dresses, furs were sewn there for them, their wives and
>mistresses. Very few Jews were sent to the forest to shop trees.
>Once the Jews of such a group attacked their guards, killed them and
>escaped. The Germans took revenge on other Jews. But all considered the
>heroism of the escaped as a miracle and dreamt of doing the same.

Giving the number of escapes from A-B and every camp this is old news.

> THE REBELLION COMMITTEE

>Sasha Pizurski who was brought to the camp with a group of prisoners of
>the Russian army immediately formed a committee to prepare a revolt. To
>this committee belonged also the heroes Leibl Feldhendler, Shaul
>Felischmann and others who strongly detested the Germans and had decided
>revenge.

Excuse me. It took people who detested to Germans to arrive to organize this
and yet the people there knew of 95%+ being gassed by them?

>In the barracks weapons were started to appear: axes and knives. How
>dangerous this was! How much courage, cunning, patience you had to use
>in order to conceal this. Many efforst of the spirit and mind, will and
>courage had to be used to take guns, rifles, bullets from the
>storehouses. The participants of this operation were divided into
>groups. The plan was worked out to the smallest details: Every group
>and its duties – really imaginative tasks: Some had to assault the
>guardtowers where the guards sat with machineguns; some had to tempt
>the officers into coming into the workshops; others had to attack the
>guards that were wandering about. Special men had to cut off the
>telephone and electricity lines and tear down the barbed wires – to make
>passage ways.

But gassing most of the arrivals was not enough.

> THE MALIGNENT BLOOD OF THE SS-MEN IS SHED

>The revolt was fixed for October 14, 1943. 700 condemned to death
>enthusiastically took their fate into their own hands. Until the
>prearranged sign was given every group had performed its tasks well.
>Nevertheless things which had not been expected in advance happened.
>Guns started firing from both sides, axes and knives greedy for blood
>shone in the air and the whole camp changed into a battlefield. On this
>day, October 14, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon there began on the
>hellground of Sobibor the shedding of the malignent blood of the SS-men
>and their Ukrainian assistants. Those who had been so sure of themselves
>when millions of innocent women and children were led to death, seemed
>now anxious and inferior, they became confused and ran like mice into
>the trap looking for a hiding place.

Sobibor gasse millions. How can the world have missed this.

>The SS-men and the police pursued the escapers. They mobilized airplanes
>and the Polish farmers of the area to help them pursue the fleeing Jews.
>Only a few pitied the victims and did not hand them over to the Germans.
>Out of 700 escaping from Sobibor only about 30 survived. Also Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann and two of her friends, one of them a Polish woman called
>Alina Stern-Sofermann, who is living in Israel succeeded, with help of
>some young Poles, in arriving to the partisans in the woods of Parzew
>and continued their war against the German army. But until they reached
>the forest they wandered around day and night around the camp, living
>of tree leaves and poisonous mushrooms that so burned their
>intestines that they wished to die.

They did not live off of them.

>They lowered their eyes and one of them was turning his head from side
>to side replied: “No, we did not easily agree to accept such a mission.
>It was forced upon us officially”. And the second added: “Its a good
>thing that you did not agree to come to Germany,,,, so we were enabled
>to come to Israel, a wonderful journey.” One of the present in the hall
>heard this conversation said: “The blood of the Jews shed by the Germans
>flowed like a river. Don’t you think that by defending the murderers you
>emphasize the responsibility of the German people of what took place.”
>The two defenders ignoring the question avoided answering and the
>question remained unanswered.

Most likely they would have been shot for doing so. That is the way the
holocaust works.

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On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:40:03 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images

>buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg:
>Emaciated corpses of the inmates.

>buchenwald02.jpg:
>Artifacts made from corpses of inmates.

>shrunken.jpg:
>The shrunken head of an inmate.

>buchenwald04.jpg:
>German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops
>have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how
>well-dressed and well-fed they are.

Not shrunken but shit head. It is much to late to resurrect this lie.

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On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:40:37 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images

>Thekla1.jpg, Thekla2.jpg, Thekla3.jpg:

>The Thekla atrocity: inmates burned alive by the Nazis.

And one more time you post links to pictures of people that show not the least
sign of fire or burning.

We know you holohuggers are gullible but to try to resurrect that same pictures
that have no signs of burning whatsoefver is truly very stupid.

We have been there, done that and found not the slightest evidence of fire on
the people in the pictures.

But you do get the award for the “imaginative caption of the year” for your
valiant efforts in trying to promote this lie.

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Assertion:

“There is no physical evidence of gassing during the holocaust.”

Response:

“There are conflicting witness accounts of Dresden.”
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Subject: Re: Acceptance makes truth
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:57:21 GMT
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On 19 Sep 1996 22:43:19 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>> >william c anderson ([email protected]) wrote:
>
>> >: Hilberg is not a historian…why? Because you say so? If you intend
>> >: to assert that he’s not an historian because his degree was in political
>> >: science, it’s going to be difficult to take you seriously.
>
>> >Furthermore, Hilberg explicitly says what he is doing in his introduction.
>> >He explains that he is writing about the Holocaust from the Nazis’ own
>> >point of view; thta is, he examined documents written by the Nazis and
>> >reports what he found. If a political scientist is not supposed to
>> >examine the workings of a government by examining the documents it
>> >leaves behind, just what is it that he’s supposed to do?
>
>> At least you agree he is not a historian. So what is your point in
>posting?

> No, Matty poo, he said the opposite. Hilberg is a historian. You, on the
>other hand, are a liar and a fraud.

A foolish little holohugger who has to insist a holocaust propagandist is
something that he is not.

On the other hand, he is a historian the way you are an attorney, honorary.
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: USS Liberty: Interview with a Surviving Marine
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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:53:21, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:

>>The “deliberate attack” theory is a myth, just like the
>>myth that the Israeli pilots were heard talking in
>>English (!!), and telling each other “why were we
>>ordered to attack an American ship?”.

>>The ship was misidentified as an Egyptian ship. It was
>>not supposed to be there; no American ship was supposed
>>to be there. I have some material on this which I will
>>hopefully find and post.

>>To me, the most obvious evidence that the attack was an
>>error is simple: Israel had nothing to gain – nothing –
>>and a lot to lose, by attacking an American ship, and
>>more so, by attacking it in the most transparent manner
>>possible. Moreover, when the torpedo boats approached
>>the Liberty, they didn’t come firing, but signaling; Mr.
>>Ennes writes so in his book. Only *after* the Liberty
>>fired at them, did they fire back, including the torpedo
>>which caused most of the casualties.

>What I find curious is that after all these years of being obsessed — and
>understandably so — with the matter, and even after associating himself with
>antisemites of every stripe (some of whom surely aren’t shy with their
>explanations, lame though they are), Jim Ennes still doesn’t have a coherent
>theory he’s willing to put forth that explains, or even begins to explain, the
>contradictions inherent in his view, and retreats into hurt bluster about how
>retired politicians agree with him when questioned about those contradictions.

The FACT of multi-murders by Israel stands regardless of the opinions of any of
the traitorous Israeli sympathizers.

The facts have been reported. No amount of lies by traitorous proIsraeli types
can change them.

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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:59:54 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>[on the causes of World War II]

>> Germany only invaded Silesia which was part of Germany that had been given to
>>Poland. England declared war against Germany in defense of the Treaty of
>>Versailles despite the excuse that it was in defense of Poland. Had it been the
>>latter they would have attacked Russia also.

>Germany invaded only Silesia? I don’t think so.

What you think is not under discussion. That is what happened.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 18 Sep 1996 06:02:49 GMT, [email protected] (Richard Schultz) wrote:

>Capt. Peter Peachfuzz ([email protected]) wrote:

>: However one of my plans is to collect those URLs and post them to
>: scientific and technical newsgroups as examples of the science that
>: supports the holocaust.

>Better yet, why don’t you repost your posts about how much Zyklon B is
>necessary to fill a gas chamber to 300 ppm of HCN to sci.chem? The
>high school chemistry students there could probably use a good laugh.

>And while you’re at it, why don’t you repost your comments on CO2
>(acidity, reactivity with CaO) there? You might as well let as many
>people as possible know the, um, extent of your knowledge.

>—–
>Richard Schultz [email protected]
>Department of Chemistry tel: 972-3-531-8065
>Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
>—–
>They do not think whom they souse with spray.
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Subject: One man’s opinion
From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:13:10 GMT

“The Nuremberg Trials … had been popular throughout the world and
particularly in the United States. Equally popular was the sentence already
announced by the high tribunal: death. But what kind of trial was this? …The
Constitution was not a collection of loosely given political promises subject to
broad interpretation. It was not a list of pleasing platitudes to be set lightly
aside when expediency required it. It was the foundation of the American system
of law and justice and [Robert Taft] was repelled by the picture of his country
discarding those Constitutional precepts in order to punish a vanquished enemy.”

— U.S. President, John F. Kennedy
John Kennedy, Profiles in Courage (New York: Harper and Row, 1964),
p.189-190.

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Only murdering scum jews have sided with Israel so far.

Are there any non-jew holohuggers who will side with the murderisng Isaelis?

Of course not.

Only Jews will side with murderers.
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Acceptance makes truth
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On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 07:24:03, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
>>From: [email protected] (william c anderson)
>>Subject: Re: Acceptance makes truth
>>Date: 16 Sep 1996 20:51:40 GMT

>>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>>: It is often suggested that because historians have looked at
>>: the holocaust and pronounced it true then it becomes the standard that
>>: must be negated. That would appear a reasonable assumption on the
>>: surface and of course that is the purpose of a fallacy, to appear
>>: reasonable.

>>: The facts are otherwise. First, there are exactly two historians
>>: who have investigated and published on the holocaust.

>>Matt, do you just make this stuff up as you go along? Why are there
>>over two hundred contributers listed in the _Encyclopedia of the
>>Holocaust_? Why does my library have on it’s shelves three fat
>>bibliographies on the Holocaust, jam-packed with books and articles
>>by historians?

>It’s a conspiracy, I tell you, a conspiracy!

Only in the minds of traitorous scum who cheer the murder of Americans by Jews.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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If there was any proper display of the evil of Nazism this is it.

The Souix hated Gene Autrey so bad they hated him from the last movie.

The allies hated the Germans so bad they hated them from the last war.

Ain’t mass communication wonderful?

And because of it we are going to get four more years Bill Clinton who is a
great admirer of present day German socialism.

But then, no one ever said that holohuggers were very bright.

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>Without getting too deeply into this, here are a few direct quotes from
Soviet “witnesses” and prosecutors detailing German “atrocities”:

“The prisoner, as before, was placed against the wall; an iron plate was
then lowered onto his head. The prisoner was under the impression that he
was being measured for height. The iron plate contained a ramrod which
shot out suddenly and poleaxed the prisoner with a blow on the back of the
head. He dropped dead. The iron plate was operated by a foot lever in the
corner of the room…..The bodies of prisoners thus murdered were burned in
four mobile crematories transported in trailers and attached to motor
cars.” Page 377 IMT Vol. VII

“It is noted in the official report that the commission examined material:
tools used for the torture of Soviet prisoners of war, a leather thong and
dagger, picked up among the disarmed bodies, with the well-known Hitlerite
slogan “Bood and Honor” (“Blut und Ehre”). The circumstances in which the
dagger was discovered give every possibility of understanding what was
meant by German “honor” and for whose blood the dagger was intended”
Ibid. P.387.

“….the Germans discovered a girl in military uniform, who resisted the
fascists, crying, “Shoot, you vipers, I die for the Soviet people and for
Stalin, but you, you monsters, will die a dog’s death.” This girl patriot
was shot on the spot.”
Ibid. P.388.

“N.N. Dashkova, a woman from the village of Adjimushkaisk, testified:
(Evidently veofre a Soviet Commission)

“I myself saw the Germans, who had caught about 900 Red Army soldiers in
the quarry, first ill-treat and then shoot them. The fascists used gas
(sic!).
Ibid. P.388.

And finally,

“The commandant of the Yanov Camp, Obersturmfuehrer Willhaus,
systematically shot with an automatic rifle from the balcony of his office
room the prisoners employed in the workshops, partly for sheer love of
sport and partly to amuse his wife and daughters. He would then hand his
rifle to his wife and she too had a shot at the prisoners. Sometimes, to
please his 9 year-old daughter, he had children between the ages of 2 and 4
tossed in the air and then took pot shots at them, while his daughter
applauded and shreiked “Papa, do it again!; do it again, Papa!” And he did
it again.” (!!!)

The internees of this camp were exterminated for no reason at all, often as
the result of a bet. A woman witness, Kirschner, informed the
Investigating Commission that a Gestapo Commissar, Wepke, bet the other
camp executioners that he could cut a boy in half with one stroke of the
axe. They did not believe him. So he caught a 10 year old boy on the
road, made him kneel down, told him to hide his face in the folded palm of
his hands, made one test stroke, placed the child’s head in a more
convenient position and with one single stroke cut the boy in half. The
Hitlerites heartily congratulated Wepke, shaking him by the hand.”
Ibid. P. 451.

I couldn’t improve on the above even if I wanted to.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:04:39 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

># All of the old shit has been recycled one more time.
>#
># There is no change.
>#
># Israel murdered American citizens.

>By accident. Happens in wars. Tragic and horrible, but
>it happens.

>And in the Gulf War and its aftermath, America “murdered”
>British citizens and American citizens. By accident.

>And in the 1956 and 1982 wars, Israel “murdered” Israeli
>citizens. By accident.

>I happens.

>It is again noted that, because I believe the attack on the
>Liberty to be an error – that is, my opinion differs from
>that of Giwer – he declared that I am a “murderer”, a “traitor”,
>and that I should be executed.

>Giwer’s “support” for freedom of speech is well-known.

>-Danny Keren.

Slimy, jew traitor. No better than Pollard.
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On 19 Sep 1996 01:51:37 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>> Lurkers are quite intelligent people, that is why they are here, to discover
>> there is another side to the holocaust stories.

> If so they know you as a lair and a fraud.

>>
>> What we are down to now are holohuggers pretending not to know what
>physical
>> evidence is. They are a small crowd in a very tight corner trying to cover up
>> what everyone knows, that there is not now nor was there ever any physical
>> evidence of holocaust gassing. Everyone knows there was no such evidence
>> presented at Nuremberg and none has been found since then.

> You have been asked to define what “physical evidence” is. You could not
>do so. The reason is a simple one. You have no concept of what evidence is or how
>to evaluate it. You have a silly eccentric view of the world and ask everybody else to
>cater to your inane whims.

> You are a nutcase.

> That is something you cannot change.

Thank you very much for admitting there is no physical evidence by your refusal
to post any of it.

No real attorney can be as uneducated in the law as you are.

We agree there is no physical evidence of this gassing hoax you murderous Israel
sympathizer have been claiming.

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On Thu, 19 Sep 96 08:43:06 -0800, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article , Daniel Keren writes:

>> At best, Giwer is a mindless robot who posts lies sent to him
>> by his fuehrers.

>Oh, he’s not even that. That suggests that there is somebody who would
>have him as a follower, and I think that’s manifestly silly on the face
>of it.

>He’s a sad, silly, useless old man who has nothing in the world except
>a desperate need to be important.

As a murdering, scum traitor, you are the best example of what a jew can be, a
murdering traitor.

You scum jew traitor.
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You may have wondered why jews support the traitor Pollard.

That is because he is a Jew and they are jews and american jews who support
either are scum jew traitors.

But then, why be redundant. I said they were jews.

And not one Jew has spoken against any of them.

They do stick together.
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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:17:33 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>Keith Morrison writes:

># Obviously Eqypt would be a source when they switched sides
># between Nassar and Sadat.

>Later than that, actually; crazy old Nasser died in 1970 or
>so, and Egypt was still under Soviet influence for a few
>years afterwards.

>Israel has been a major supplier of Soviet technology to
>the US, since it captured huge amounts of Soviet weapons,
>especially during the 1967 and 1973 wars.

>I would still appreciate a hard, non-Giwerian source about
>whether these weapons were sold to the US or given for free.

>-Danny Keren.

Keren of course is an apologist liar for murdering jews and a traitor because
his loyalties are to Israel rather than to the US.

The curse is upon him.

He and everyone like him has been formally reported to the US Gov and they have
no mroe chance of getting or retaining a security clearance than Pollard and for
the same reason, they are no loyal Americans.

They have all supported Isreali murders of Americans.

Their fate should be death but the curse is now upon them.
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Topf and Sons, all round geniuses
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On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:36:55 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> How dumb holohuggers can be when they really work hard at it.

> Now how dumb can you get. Giwer thinks the Holocaust dependents
>have to “work hard” at being dumb, when it comes naturally, perhaps
>inately. Of course the ethnocentric indoctrination that leads to their
>mental state is a arduous and life long procedure.

I have to agree on that one. I was raised Roman Catholic and for nearly 15
years I believed that christians were persecuted by the romans before I realized
it was all bullshit.

But I do have to credit the Sisters of Charity for giving me the insight into
the perverted sexual nature of fantasies of sadistic killing. With them it was
the saints, with Jews it is the holocaust.

On similar bullshit the “persecuted” Adam Smith is honored in death even though
he lead an armed revolution in Navoo and died because it failed. The fanatic
whackos retreated to Utah as the fanatic whacko jews retreated to Palestine.

But in the next generation, it was all persecution and true believers in
persecution because they were told so by their parents who can not lie or
mislead.

A prediction: As there was a scam to create and sell early LDS documents there
will be a scam to create and sell documents supporting gassing of Jews that will
replace the ambiguous documents that exist so far.

If anyone really wants to make some money without a pyramid scheme, fake these
documents and Israel will buy them almost sight unseen. It does not have to be
signed. It does not have to be hand written. The language does not matter. It
only has to meet the standards of Nuremberg, that it is reduced to a paper copy.

It is a scam but what the hell. You can not cheat an honest man or an honest
jew for that matter. But they will pay real money for a good fake even knowing
it is a fake. After all they have presented totally wierd and unrelated data
for years.

For example there is the in”famous” picture of people at Birkenau labeled Jews
being selected. Any asshole can create that caption. Of course there is no
indication where they are, who they are or what their religion is but Jews will
pay good money for a creative caption as long as it supports their beliefs.

It does not differ significantly from the Chrisitian practice of selling
religious relics to all comers. It is unknown how many times the finger of John
the Baptist has been sold, only that the man was all fingers.

Jews will buy into, believe, support anything that is in line with their
codification of WW II.

So really, do not send your money off to the pyramid scam artists. Spend your
time creating captions and pictures to sell to jews. They could care less and
will believe anything. And they will pay for anything.

So scam them.

They are begging for it.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Photographs: EINSATZGRUPPEN Massacres
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On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:22:10 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images

>eg-01.jpg, eg-02.jpg, eg-03.jpg, eg-04.jpg, eg-05.jpg
>Einsatzgruppen massacres in Nazi-occupied USSR.

>eg-06.jpg
>Pyre of corpses ready to be set on fire.

>eg-07.jpg
>Mass grave.

>eg-map.jpg
>Part of a report detailing murder of Jews in the Nazi occupied
>Baltic states and White Russia by Einsatzgruppe (special action
>unit) A, submitted at February 1, 1942. Includes figures of
>Jews murdered by the Einsatzgruppen.

>report-51.jpg
>Letter from Himmler. Mentions 363,211 Jews murdered during 4
>months in 1942.

>-Danny Keren.
Keren, the slimey, murderous, lying traitor to everything American.

He is a jew and his loyalty is to Israel not the the US.

It is his kind that need to be sent to the land where their loyalties lie.

It is clear from experience that all jews are suspect because of people like
Keren and Pollard and murderers like Grynspan.
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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The greatest war crime is losing the war and it is punished by the victor.

It always has been, is now, and ever shall be the greatest crime of war.
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The USS Liberty attack, no accident
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 19:48:59 GMT
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On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:58:25 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>[email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>>jim (Jim Ennes) writes:
>>
>># No objective person who has ever studied this attack believes
>># that it was an accident. That includes Secretary of State
>># Dean Rusk, JCS Chairman Admiral Tom Moorer, and a score of
>># other senior US Government officials who are all on public
>># record calling it a deliberate attack.
>>
>>Yes, Mr. Ennes. But there are officials who believe it was an
>>accident, including Robert McNamara.

> Okay, there’s one (1).

Remember that McNamara is personally responsible for the hoax that escalated the
war in Vietnam. If you bring the torches, I will bring the rope. Afterwards we
dig up LBJ’s body and desecrate it.

Ready to party?

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 21 09:51:02 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:58:53 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/brack.victor/images/
>brack-to-himmler-0642.jpg

>and

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/brack.victor/images/
>brack-to-himmler-0642-2.jpg

>Two pages of a letter from Victor Brack to Reichsfuehrer
>Himmler, suggesting not to kill all Jews, but spare 20-30
>percent for forced labor, while sterilizing them.

>Translation of the relevant excerpt is in

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/brack.victor/
>brack-to-himmler-062342

>-Danny Keren.

The slimey traitor Keren posts again.

Israeli sucking murderers do not belong in this country but our laws protect
such murderers.
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From [email protected] Sat Sep 21 09:51:03 PDT 1996
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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 08:09:42 GMT, [email protected] (Steve A) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 23:10:12 GMT, [email protected] (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:
>>
>>>In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>>
>>>! For The First Time, A Civilized Nation Has Full Gun Registration!
>>>! Our Streets Will Be Safer, Our Police More Efficient,
>>>! And The World Will Follow Our Lead Into The Future!”
>>>! Adolph Hitler
>>>! 1935
>>
>>>As false a quote of Mr. Hitler as his “if a person has a drop of Jewish
>>>blood in his veins, there will be a pure Jew each generation.” In other
>>>words, a lie.
>>
>> So those fearful of guns like to claim.

>Anti-cult campaigners take note: see how the gun lobby, just like
>Scientology, Aum, the Moonies, the TMers, et al, attempt to
>characterise their opponents in pejorative terms.

>Note that those of us opposed to the proliferation of deadly
>weapons on our streets are now “fearful” of guns.

>I wonder if the parents of sixteen dead kids in Dunblane are
>”fearful” of guns. I should bloody well hope so – anything that
>killed a child of mine would be cause for concern.

Except there is one minor difference.

Folks like me are armed, you folks are not.

So who is going enforce your laws against guns?

Armed people of course.

It may be too complicated for gun grabbers to understand but that is reality.
The power to kill is the power to rule.

You have to pray the winning power is good hands. You are best advised to
foster it.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:21:17 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/
>images/Rascher1.jpg

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/
>images/Rascher2.jpg

>Two pages of letter from Dr. Rascher to Reichsfuehrer Himmler,
>suggesting to use the Dachau gassing facilities to test “combat
>gases” on inmates. Page 2 contains the following: translation
>courtesy of John Morris.
Keren is a murderous little slime who cheers the murder of Americans when Israel
commits the murders.

Keren hates America and supports Israel.

Keren is lying scum of the earth as are all of his fellow jews who defend
Israelis murdering Americans.

Keren, in you next life may you be reborn an Arab in Qana so Israel can shoot
off your legs and leave you without recourse in life.

Keren, may Israelis blind you with their shelling because a man in the next
village is suspected.

Keren, may your home be destroyed and you put on the street as a begger beause
your son living in America is suspected of spitting on the sidewalk.

Keren, in all matters, I wish you the justice of Israel as though you were an
Arab.

That is a curse that even Yahweh would not fulfill but Israel will fulfill and
redouble.

Keren, you are cursed to suffer as the Arabs have suffered and as the crew of
the Liberty suffered. May napalm burn you skin. May cannon fire tear your
apart. May you know death from drowning.

And may you live to suffer all again and again until the end of time and from
then into eternity.

This curse is now upon you, Keren. And this curse is now upon all who side with
Israel against America. And this curse is before Yahweh.

And Yahweh will bring down the his wrath upon those who are cursed before him
and Keren is so cursed and Yahweh will visit his wrath upon Keren and all who
are traitors to the nation that has given them home and hospitality.

And thus be it unto the third generation, before Yahweh I swear this curse as
the sins of this generation shall not pass until this generation is dust.

And Yahweh will grant me this wish. He cares not for those who go calmly to
their deaths else he would have saved Israel from the fires of Auschwitz.
Yahweh gave up Israel to the Nazis as they were unbelievers in his power.

He spat out the cowards that pretended to be his people and delivered them up to
Hitler as his holy wrath demanded.

Keren and those who follow him are cursed by Yahweh for being untrue to their
oath to the country of their birth. They are to become exiles in that land.
None will touch them. The nation will turn against them. Their children shall
curse them and they shall die alone without the comfort of Yahweh.

Thus is the curse. Let it be done.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: American involvement
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On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:12:51 -0400, Mary Apicella
wrote:

>Dear friends,
> I am a student at the university of south florida. I am interested
>in finding out How many Jews lost their lives from the Holocaust, and
>The American involvement or non-involvement.

Just by old age 15% would have died in the camps given the lifespan at the time.
So what? 10% of Japanese Americans died in camps of old age in America during
WW II. What is the point of this question?

A friend of mine told me
>that America knew about the happening of the prision camps for more than
>a year before they got involved. How can this be?

Your friend lied to you. Nothing in fact happened other than supply lines broke
down towards the end of the war.

Could our president at
>the time be that ignorant as to not help out people that were in need!!

What was he supposed to do? Bomb the trains and therefore cut off food and
medical supplies for everyone? Was he to cut off Zyklon B supplies and commit
tens of thousands to death from typhus?

>I’ve visited the Nizkor home page and am slowly trying to find out
>information. Please help me with my misunderstandings of the event at
>that time. Please E-Mail me any information you might have at
>[email protected] or go to my home page

You need to get away fromm the shit Nizkor site and look at some unbiased sites
on the subject.

But please do not taken anyone’s word for what will happen if you engage in
conversation. Try the conversation with nasty words and see who treats you with
the most respect.

Of course holohuggers will tell you that we treat you with respect to trick you.

You are invited to decide for yourself.

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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:04:29 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

># The infamous “tube” of Treblinka appears closer to the British
># use of the word meaning subway, rather to American English
># capitalization could perhaps serve best as “the Passageway.”
># By analogy, perhaps was a German analogy to the submarine
># term and a better translation would be “trash chute.

>The German word is “schlauch”. It referred to the curved
>passageway that led to the gas chambers. I agree that “tube”
>is not a very good translation.

Scum lying murderers like you are never to be trusted.

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On Wed, 18 Sep 1996 23:04:00 +0100, [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Matt Giwer wrote:
>>On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:05:40 +0100, [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:
>>
>>> Nonsens nazism was first and foremost German chauvinism. Racism was just
>>>utilized in order to justify German chauvinism and megalomania. The reason,
>>>why WW2 started, was because Hitler invaded Non-German countries like Poland.
>>>If Germany had stayed within it’s own border, England and France would never
>>>have declared war. England and France would never have started a war of
>>>solely ideological reasons. WW2 was not an ideological war.
>>
>> Germany only invaded Silesia which was part of Germany that had been given to
>>Poland.

>Stalin and Hitler did in fact divide Poland between themselves. While Germany
>made an enourmous crime against humanity because of that it did not matter
>that the Soviet Union kept it’s part of Poland and had it ethnic cleansed
>of Poles during the end of the war. It did not matter either that Stalin
>invaded Finland in 1939. On the contrary the Soviet Union was rewarded
>with a part of Finland which had been ethnic cleansed of Finns.

There is a poorly written and tedious novel entitled “Poland” written by James
A. Michener. It is perhaps his worst not for stylistic reasons but rather that
it has no to much of anything in the english speaking world.

But if you do not mind reading fiction you will find that Poland has been a
never-never land since its formation. For over a thousand years its boundaries
moved ever 50 years or so.

After WW I Poland’s boundaries moved (both east and west boundaries) moved about
100 miles west.

In any sense that we look at national boundaries today, In an accounting sense,
Poland was never more than a fake account where the small amounts of debits and
credits that could not be reconciled are dumped.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Photograph: Document About Killing With Poison Gas Jews ‘Unfit For Work
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 02:07:25 GMT
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On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:59:47 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/images/
>wetzel-lohse-01.jpg

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/images/
>wetzel-lohse-02.jpg

>Two pages of letter from Dr. Erhard Wetzel to Reichskommissar
>Lohse, October 25, 1941, about murdering Jews “unfit for
>work” using poison gas.

>Translation in
>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/wetzel.102541

>-Danny Keren.

Murderiong slime Keren posts again.

Traitors deserve to be sent to Israel with arab headgear so Israelis can kill
them as they deserve.

Scum of the earth Keren defends murdering Isreali Jews one more time.

It is as expected from such traitorous scum.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 19 Sep 1996 01:48:15 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>> On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 00:27:07 -0700, Brian Harmon
>wrote:

>> >Matt Giwer wrote:
>
>> >> And of course the physical evidence of Dresden does not require one
>bit of
>> >> personal testimony. However, for the steaming alive stories that is all there
>> >> is to support the yiddish holocaust.
>
>> >What physical evidence is this?
>
>> >As of yet, i’ve seen no evidence for this Dresden ‘firebombing.’
>
>> Are you claiming you have never seen the bombsight films of it
>happening and of
>> course they are traceable by records by reel number to flight number.

> Nope. Never saw them. You said they might exist. Where are they?

In St. Louis, Mo. All you have to do is request it. Everyone but holohuggers
knows it is there. Were you born yesterday?

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: The USS Liberty attack, no accident
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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 15:35:18 -0700, jim wrote:

>Daniel Keren wrote:

>> The point, which you apparently managed to overlook, is that
>> the ship was not supposed to be there; however, a “most
>> incredible failure of communications”, to quote the report,
>> resulted in the loss of the messages ordering it to move
>> away from the war zone.
>>
>> The attack was an error; if there was any “cover-up”, it was
>> a cover-up of the fact that this “most incredible failure”,
>> of the American Armed Forces, resulted in the ship being sent
>> to the midst of a war.

>No objective person who has ever studied this attack believes that it
>was an accident. That includes Secretary of State Dean Rusk, JCS
>Chairman Admiral Tom Moorer, and a score of other senior US Government
>officials who are all on public record calling it a deliberate attack.

>What they lacked was not knowledge that it was deliberate, but the
>resolve to taken the inevitable political abuse they would have gotten
>if they had demanded the proper public investigation.

>Anyone who doubts the fact that this attack was deliberate should visit
>our award winning web site at http://www.ussliberty.org/jim/ussliberty/
>.

And this site is well organized and set up by people who know HTML.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 00:47:58 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>[email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>>
>>Kurt Prufer, senior engineer of Topf and Sohne, testifying in Erfurt,
>>Germany, March 5, 1946
>>[Quoted from the interrogation transcripts by Prof. Gerald Fleming
>>from the University of Surrey, in an NYT article, July 18 1993]
>>——————————————————————–
>>Q. Who apart from you participated in the construction of the furnaces?
>>
>>A. From 1941-2, I constructed the furnaces. The technical drawings were
>> done by Mr. Keller. The ventilation systems of the “Kremas”
>> [crematoriums] were constructed by senior engineer Karl Schultze.
>>
>>Q. How often and with what aim did you visit Auschwitz?
>>
>>A. Five times. The first time at the beginning of 1943, to receive orders
>> of the SS Command where the Kremas were to be built. The second time in
>> spring 1943 to inspect the building site. The third time was in autumn
>> 1943 to inspect a fault in the construction of a Krema chimney. The
>> forth time at the beginning of 1944, to inspect the repaired chimney. the
>> fifth time in September-October 1944, when I visited Auschwitz with the
>> intended relocation [from Auschwitz] of the crematoriums, since the
>> front was getting nearer. The crematoriums were not relocated, because
>> there were not enough workers.

> Now heres a guy who was at the camp numerous times in the direct
>function of installing Kremas who we should presume to be one of the
>”Ordinary Germans” and “willing executioners, who we should expect to
>know quite a bit about the crematoriums. A first hand, expert witness
>so to speak. One might think the inquiring body would be keen on
>getting a detailed picture.

Now, now. You have read the statement of the “president” of the trials. They
were required to be short and fast and it was forbidden to do anything that
would lengthen the trials such as, as I have presented, require proof that the
crimes actually occurred.

Remember these were War Crimes Trials. The War Crime of interest was losing the
war, sort of a negative crime but certainly punishable by death.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 18:09:28 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

># Of which there is only one letter that the holohugger want to
># mean gas chamber even Gaskammer (sp?) was the correct word
># in German.

>No, dummkopf. There’s also a document that mentions a
>”gaskammer” in Krema IV.

You folks really need to do your homework. There is no building that could have
housed it at Krema IV or V. There are barracks where such buildings would be.

>E. Kogon, H. Langbein, A. Rueckerl. Nazi Mass Murder. Yale
>University Press, 1993. Page 248.

>Also on Nizkor’s web site, …/camps/auschwitz/images/Gaskammren.jpg

Obviously those are very poorly researched sources.

># Buzzer there. Gaskammer WAS and IS the word in German
># regardless of English.

>Stupid senile dummkopf. You just shot yourself in the
>foot once again. This must be the biggest joke this
>newsgroup has ever seen.

You need to get less biased reference material.

Thanks for all the fishes.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 15:40:09 -0700, jim wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:

>>
>> >Similarly, Jim Ennes and Liberty-fandom spend a great deal of time arguing —
>> >with perhaps more heat than light — that the Liberty *couldn’t* have been
>> >unintentionally targeted,
>>
>> This explained your problem. The argument is clearly that it WAS DELIBERATELY
>> targeted which is clearly the case.
>>
>> and very little on their theory of what actually
>> >happened, other than to stomp about and repeat that Dean Risk and Admiral
>> >Moorer agree with it, whatever it might be.

>Much, much more than the fact that nearly every member of the LBJ
>administration agrees that the attack was deliberately conducted against
>a ship known to be American. Much more.

>For the facts, visit our web site at
>http://www.ussliberty.org/jim/ussliberty/ .
>Check out our essay contest at
>http://www.ussliberty.org/jim/ussliberty/ .

>Jim Ennes
>Liberty survivor

No Conspiracy to Strange


by

Matt Giwer (c) 1995 <5/14>



At a time when people are dismissing the conspiracy theories
that the government set the bomb in Oklahoma City for some
nefarious reason as ridiculous, absurd, and impossible we should
remember this is not the first time there was such a conspiracy
and a cover up.


One night some thirty years ago the US sat glued to the TV
while the president of the United States announced that an act of
war had been committed against the United States. Up until that
time the US troops in Vietnam had been acting only as advisors
and had not been engaged in the fighting. And yet only a few
hours earlier a North Vietnamese torpedo boat had launched a
torpedo and fired a machinegun at a US destroyer stationed off
the coast of North Vietnam.


The country accepted the story and approved President
Johnson’s plan to put US ground forces into a direct combat role
and to greatly increase the number of our troops in Vietnam. The
country believed. The captain of the destroyer talked about the
attack. Secretary of Defense McNamara and other high ranking
people held press conferences to discuss the attack. Evidence
was displayed on TV.


There were fringe groups that said it was all faked but they
were dismissed. Who could believe the government would fake such
a thing? What could possibly be the purpose of faking it? How
could any president want to send Americans into war without just
cause?


No. The idea was much too absurd. And besides, can you
imagine how many people would have to be involved in the
conspiracy? Hundreds of people, the captain, the crew, those who
reported it, the entire chain of command up to the president and
dozens of people along the way manufacturing evidence, all would
have to be involved. No one could hide a conspiracy that large
within our government and get away with it.


We have a free press. People can speak the truth without
fear. If only one person came forward the entire fraud would be
exposed. No it was too risky. There could not possibly be such
a conspiracy.


And then to compound the belief in a conspiracy, in 1968 one
had to believe that Nixon and his entire administration were in
on the conspiracy or else even the insiders to the conspiracy had
managed to hide everything from the new administration. We have
to believe that no one would talk. And even being political
rivals that he covered up this conspiracy.


No. It is much too absurd to believe there was such a
conspiracy. The Gulf of Tonkin incident had to be true. There
was no way to believe it could have been a secret government
conspiracy. The entire idea is to laughable to be considered
seriously.


Except of course we now know it is true. There was a secret
government conspiracy to manufacture a pretext to send Americans
to war. All of the people needed for the people needed for this
conspiracy remained silent. It was indeed orchestrated by the
President of the United States. Indeed no one talked. The free
press saved us from nothing. Most likely a succeeding president
and his staff joined in the conspiracy of silence.


That was to absurd to imagine. It was also true.


Who thinks it is impossible that the Oklahoma City bombing
was a secret government conspiracy? I would like everyone who
thinks it is impossible to visit the Vietnam Wall in Washington,
read a few hundred of the names and then tell me a secret
government conspiracy headed by President is impossible.


A few months before the captain of the destroyer died he
said nothing had happened other than being to told to confirm a
particular story. He was silent for thirteen years. Johnson
took this conspiracy to his grave. Thirty years later Robert S.
McNamara publishes a book admitting the entire secret government
conspiracy to start a war and to continue it.


It is not to say that everyone was silent about this
conspiracy. When orders were issued to falsify body counts the
entire organization did so. It was conduct unbecoming an officer
and worthy of a courts martial to obey such an order but the
enlisted folks talked about the orders to lie.


They were all involved in a conspiracy to lie to the
American people about the conduct of the war. And the
intelligence estimates that were grossly unfavorable to the US.
The public announcements were falsified by order of the
conspirators. General Westmoreland lost a libel case when the
New York Times simply brought out his own statement that he was
lying.


In retrospect it does not appear all that secret but at the
time these things were not well known. Those that suggested
these were lies were called disloyal, investigated by the FBI,
CIA and who knows what else. Their names were put on lists.
There were dossiers on them. And what was their crime?
Believing there was a secret government conspiracy regarding the
war in Vietnam. Their crime was believing the truth and speaking
it.


Now folks, you tell me. If our government can conspire to
create and continue a war that involved hundreds of people and
two presidents and who knows how many congressmen, what makes the
idea of a conspiracy regarding comparatively trivial little
bombing in Oklahoma City impossible? What makes it absurd? Why
is anyone who suggests it paranoid?


Judge this and every case upon the evidence. There is no
conspiracy too absurd, too impossible, to large to imagine.
Every reason to say the government could not be behind something
or other is belied by the reality of the conspiracy to start and
continue the Vietnam War.


At the moment there is no evidence saying the government was
involved in the explosion but then again neither is there enough
public evidence against either of the two people arrested at this
time. To discount any possibility as being to absurd to consider
flies in the face of the Vietnam War conspiracy.


And consider right now it could still be seriously
questioned that the Vietnam war was a conspiracy were it not for
the published confession of Robert McNamara. Such conspiracy can
exist and did exist. There are still people involved in it alive
who are keeping silent. Such large conspiracies can be kept
silent. People will not speak out until they are near death
which is the most likely condition of McNamara.


And like LBJ, McNamara will escape the hangman’s rope. The
least that could be done in justice for this conspiracy is to
exhume Johnson’s body to desecrate it. We certainly can insist
McNamara is buried in unhallowed ground, such as thrown to the
alligators in some swamp. And that should be the fate of anyone
daring to think of another such conspiracy in this government.


This has happened before. It will happen again. It could
be happening right now.

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On 20 Sep 1996 06:17:51 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>> > [email protected] writes:
>> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>>
>> >

>>
>>
>> You are making a Giwer of yourself. You are setting up an idiosyncratic
>> standard then complaining that no-one complied with it 50 years ago. The counsel
>> (both sides) and the judges at Nuremberg were constrained by standard legal theory
>> and rules of evidence governed by Article 19 of their charter.

>Mr. Edeiken-it is standard procedure to submit detailed autopsy reports as well as
>toxicological tests to the court in a homicide case. The examiner may, and probably
>will be examined on the basis of these reports in the court room. With just the
>doctor stated according to notes that such and such was the result of a test, after
>he had examined dozens of other victims, leaves room for doubt and I would be
>disinclined to accept his testimony without the actual reports placed in front of me.
>The doctor, no matter how good the intention-is fallible and good be mistaken.

Back off man, this is an attorney. He knows how to weasel-word around the
missing 50 tons of evidence.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: The USS Liberty attack, no accident
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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 18:32:19, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]> jim writes:

>>Daniel Keren wrote:

>>> The point, which you apparently managed to overlook, is that
>>> the ship was not supposed to be there; however, a “most
>>> incredible failure of communications”, to quote the report,
>>> resulted in the loss of the messages ordering it to move
>>> away from the war zone.
>>>
>>> The attack was an error; if there was any “cover-up”, it was
>>> a cover-up of the fact that this “most incredible failure”,
>>> of the American Armed Forces, resulted in the ship being sent
>>> to the midst of a war.

>>No objective person who has ever studied this attack believes that it
>>was an accident. That includes Secretary of State Dean Rusk, JCS
>>Chairman Admiral Tom Moorer, and a score of other senior US Government
>>officials who are all on public record calling it a deliberate attack.

>>What they lacked was not knowledge that it was deliberate, but the
>>resolve to taken the inevitable political abuse they would have gotten
>>if they had demanded the proper public investigation.

>>Anyone who doubts the fact that this attack was deliberate should visit
>>our award winning web site at http://www.ussliberty.org/jim/ussliberty/
>>.

>I’ve visited your site, several times, and noted the curiousities about it,
>here and elsewhere. I know you find it painful to discuss, but your theory of
>the events seems to leave more than a little to be desired, and simply
>repeating, over and over, the names of folks who have said nice things about
>you perhaps won’t clear that up.

Nor will continuing to side with the Jew murderers make you any less of a slimy,
jew traitor.

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On 20 Sep 1996 02:31:37 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>> For the lurkers, the method of establishing cyanide poisoning is the
>mascerate
>> (blender set on puree) a known weight of body tissue; liver is preferred.
>> Pre-death weight is estimated; for quckly discovered death it is the same as the
>> scale weight. Cyanide compounds are then precipitated from the puree and
>> weighed. The fraction of cyanide to body weight is calculated and compared
>to
>> known lethal ratios per pound of living body weight.

> For the lurkers: this is the method for determining cyanide poisoning
>through ingestion. When there has been ingestion the tissues of the body absorb
>cyanide. It is *not* the determination used when the cyanide poisoning is
>gaseous. In that case there is no absorbtion into body tissues. The proper
>method to determine cynanide poisoning through gas is analysis of lung tissue.
>Lung tissue is rarely affected by maggots. Nor, where there is cyanide present in
>the lungs is it neccessary to compute a lethal dose through body weight. The
>presence of cyanide on lung tissue is determinative.

> Sorry Matty poo, you looked in the wrong section of the book. An “F”
>in toxicology.

> Was it deliberate?

> –YFE

For said lurkers, you have confirmed what I said. Thank you. There were
exactly ZERO autopsies at Dachau that indicated cyanide poisoning despite your
lies that there were such autopsies.

You have lied in the past, your are lying now and you will continueto lie.

There are no autopsey reports that claim death by cyanide poisoning at Dachau.

Even the US Army gave up such claims fourty years ago. They were given up as a
known and blatant lie.

Why a shyster attorney would want to keep this alive when the only people that
ever claimed it admitted they lied fourty years ago is only comprehensible to a
holohugger.

But of course, even in the face of those discovering the gas chamber changing
their story, YFE insists it really existed.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Ken McVay, common lying holohugger
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On 19 Sep 1996 02:02:40 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>> On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:27:48, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>> >Who would hire him, and why?
>
>> Who would I apply to and why?

> The local MacDonald’s. Because that’s about the limit of your talent.

I am so crushed, Yaley.

And all I have are 16 publications as compared to your sterling accomplishments
in the field of law. I am so, so impressed by you I could just shit all over
the keyboard.

But then you side with the Israelil murderers and you are therefore a muderer.

And therefore you are beneath the cnntempt of civilized society.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holohugger argumentation
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On 20 Sep 1996 14:50:48 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>:
>: Assertion:
>:
>: “There is no physical evidence of gassing during the holocaust.”
>:
>: Response:
>:
>: “There are conflicting witness accounts of Dresden.”

>No, no. That’s poor context, Matt. This is better:

>Assertion:

> “There is no physical evidence of gassing during the holocaust.”

>Response:

> “Of course there is, you lying troll.”

You mean the contention that there are pesticide traces in buildings at A-B is
supposed to be evidence?

You mean three questionable letters are supposed to be evidence?

You mean you folks REFUSE to post any other physical evidence while insisting to
claim there are tons of it only available email?

You folks are attempting to establish a fraud as a truth by repetition.

Nice try.

And thanks for all the help in refining the point of the lack of evidence for
publication without refutation on revisionist sites.

You have been most helpful.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Giwer admits again that he is a troll….
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On 19 Sep 1996 03:06:48 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>> ” It is so much fun watching you waste the bandwidth on non-productive
>> issues while the rest of us go about tearing down the holocaust myths as
>> is the purpose of the newsgroup.”
>>
>> Matt Giwer, “Subject: Re: the usual suspects”
>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>, 15/09/96
>>
>> Too bad Netcom doesn’t have a stipulation in its user agreement about
>> terminating trolls. Oh, well, I’m sure Giwer’s latest death threat and his
>> other net abuses will serve to get him banished once again.
>>
>>>>>
>So, Giwer admits that he’s a “troll”, but Gandhi doesn’t.

What I admit to doing is setting off the holohuggers so that they do nothing
productive regarding the subject so they have minimal time to interfere with
discussions of what really happened.

They leave so many hot buttons hanging out with “push me” signs that it is
difficult not to.

And they have so little self discipline that they fall for it every time.

It is like throwing a handful of change in front of street thugs in St. Croix.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: “Der Stuermer”-Hitler’s Favorite Mag?
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 01:48:37 GMT
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On 20 Sep 1996 05:11:42 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>For the information of all those who have argued so vigourously for the
>opinion that “Der Stuermer” was one of Hitler’s favorite reading materials,
>I should like to point out the fact that on May 1, 1939, Streicher published
>what was probably the most flagrantly offensive issue of the Stuermer in its
>long and chequered history, that issue being the “Jewish Ritual Murder”
>edition. For the benefit of the browsers, as well as those who imagine Hitler
>to have been delighted with Streicher’s offal, the issue was almost immediately
>BANNED–by none other than Hitler himself!

Freedom of speech!

Freedom of speech!

How dare he ban it!

That is unamerican!

—–

You suckered them in well. A great bit of work. Please continue as you are
doing. Holohuggers are such fools.

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 21 13:00:07 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:41:45 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images

>nordhausen-01.jpg, nordhausen02.jpg:

>Murdered inmates.

>-Danny Keren.

And I can see the corpse of Danny Keren in the bottom right of the photo. If
not now, Danny will want it to be real soon. It is a martyr’s dream.

Of course we all know that Keren is a fat, slimy, traitorous jew who allies
himself with the murderers in Israel.

May justice be done to Israel and to Keren.

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 21 15:07:09 PDT 1996
Article: 67402 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 18:00:52 -0800, [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> > [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>>
>> …You have a silly eccentric view of the world and ask everybody else to
>> cater to your inane whims.
>>
>> You are a nutcase.
>>
>> That is something you cannot change.

>But something a frontal lobotomy can….

>Maybe we should start a collection so that the Giwer-boob can get one?

>Mark

>——————————————————————————–
>”Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties–but
>right through every human heart–and all human hearts.”

>– Alexander Solzhenitsyn, “The Gulag Archipelago”
>——————————————————————————–
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From: [email protected]
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>Without getting too deeply into this, here are a few direct quotes from
Soviet “witnesses” and prosecutors detailing German “atrocities”:

“The prisoner, as before, was placed against the wall; an iron plate was
then lowered onto his head. The prisoner was under the impression that he
was being measured for height. The iron plate contained a ramrod which
shot out suddenly and poleaxed the prisoner with a blow on the back of the
head. He dropped dead. The iron plate was operated by a foot lever in the
corner of the room…..The bodies of prisoners thus murdered were burned in
four mobile crematories transported in trailers and attached to motor
cars.” Page 377 IMT Vol. VII

“It is noted in the official report that the commission examined material:
tools used for the torture of Soviet prisoners of war, a leather thong and
dagger, picked up among the disarmed bodies, with the well-known Hitlerite
slogan “Bood and Honor” (“Blut und Ehre”). The circumstances in which the
dagger was discovered give every possibility of understanding what was
meant by German “honor” and for whose blood the dagger was intended”
Ibid. P.387.

“….the Germans discovered a girl in military uniform, who resisted the
fascists, crying, “Shoot, you vipers, I die for the Soviet people and for
Stalin, but you, you monsters, will die a dog’s death.” This girl patriot
was shot on the spot.”
Ibid. P.388.

“N.N. Dashkova, a woman from the village of Adjimushkaisk, testified:
(Evidently veofre a Soviet Commission)

“I myself saw the Germans, who had caught about 900 Red Army soldiers in
the quarry, first ill-treat and then shoot them. The fascists used gas
(sic!).
Ibid. P.388.

And finally,

“The commandant of the Yanov Camp, Obersturmfuehrer Willhaus,
systematically shot with an automatic rifle from the balcony of his office
room the prisoners employed in the workshops, partly for sheer love of
sport and partly to amuse his wife and daughters. He would then hand his
rifle to his wife and she too had a shot at the prisoners. Sometimes, to
please his 9 year-old daughter, he had children between the ages of 2 and 4
tossed in the air and then took pot shots at them, while his daughter
applauded and shreiked “Papa, do it again!; do it again, Papa!” And he did
it again.” (!!!)

The internees of this camp were exterminated for no reason at all, often as
the result of a bet. A woman witness, Kirschner, informed the
Investigating Commission that a Gestapo Commissar, Wepke, bet the other
camp executioners that he could cut a boy in half with one stroke of the
axe. They did not believe him. So he caught a 10 year old boy on the
road, made him kneel down, told him to hide his face in the folded palm of
his hands, made one test stroke, placed the child’s head in a more
convenient position and with one single stroke cut the boy in half. The
Hitlerites heartily congratulated Wepke, shaking him by the hand.”
Ibid. P. 451.

I couldn’t improve on the above even if I wanted to.

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On 21 Sep 1996 04:00:39 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>: On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:59:54 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
>: wrote:

>: >Germany invaded only Silesia? I don’t think so.
>:
>: What you think is not under discussion. That is what happened.

>No–actually, Matt, it’s not. Why you continue to lie about matters of
>common knowledge is beyond me, but you do. In the past few days,
>you’ve come up with the following:

>1) Only two historians have ever written about the Holocaust.

>2) Germany only invaded Silesia, and and not the rest of Poland.

>3) The meaning of the German compound word “Leichenkeller” has
> nothing to do with the meanings of its component words.

>4) The Nazis did not deprive the Jews of their citizenship.

>5) The Romans never persecuted any Christians.

>and

>6) Adam Smith was a mormon leader.

>Well, okay–that last was probably just an astoundingly dumb mistake,
>rather than a lie. Each of the others, however, is not only a lie,
>but a stunningly transparent lie. You will never, ever be able to
>find a single sane human being who will support any one of those
>five lies. Lying is something we’ve come to expect from you, Matt–
>but lying like this? It’s as if you were standing in a torrential
>thunderstorm, screaming “It’s not raining! You must be a stupid
>Jew to say it’s raining!”

>It’s really, really getting embarassing, Matt. Seek help.

Yes, you should be embarrassed by your deliberat mis-statements of what I have
said. When do you get around to graduating?

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 05:40:59 -0700, Brian Harmon wrote:

>> > Why resort to speculation? there is a great deal of documentary evidence
>> > avaible. Simple compare Ho”ss memiors to the accounts of other people
>> > who were there.
>>
>> Well, this process could go on ad infinitum. Sometimes we simply must apply
>> the rules of logic. There are hundreds of statements about Auschwitz and
>> most of them are highly contradictory or even ridiculous.

>I whole-heartedly disagree.

That only means you are unfamiliar with the material.

>> To my knowledge, the Auschwitz death books place the total of
>> dead at around 70,000.

>Certainly. Prisoners gassed upon arrival were not registered
>in these books.

Then how do you know there were any such prisoners? Please be specific in your
answer.

>Ho”ss also testified that documents listing the numbers killed in
>a ‘sonderaktion’ were routinely destroyed.

And people confessed to being witches also. What else is new?

>The fact that prisoners that were to be gassed were _not_ registered
>or tatooed is also discussed in _Encyclopedia of the Holocaust_

So they are perpetuating the rumor. So what? How do THEY know there were
unregistered prisoners?

>[ https://nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-13.html ]

Nizkor says it. It has to be true, along with the satanic laughter real true
story. You folks are very gullible.

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On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 13:22:26 GMT, [email protected] (George F. Hardy)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Matt Giwer) says:
>>
>>On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:05:40 +0100, [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:
>>
>>>The reason, why WW2 started, was because Hitler invaded
>>>Non-German countries like Poland. If Germany had stayed
>>>within it’s own border, England and France would never
>>>have declared war. England and France would never have
>>>started a war of solely ideological reasons. WW2 was
>>>not an ideological war.
>>
>> Germany only invaded Silesia which was part of Germany
>>that had been given to Poland. England declared war against
>>Germany in defense of the Treaty of Versailles despite the
>>excuse that it was in defense of Poland. Had it been the
>>latter they would have attacked Russia also.

>Certainly Germany had more “right” to the Polish Corridor
>than, say, the ‘rest of’ Czechoslovakia.

>The borders set after W.W.I were crazy. (And I agree that they
>were, in large measure, the design of US President Wilson, easily
>a prime contender for the “worst president” prize.) Look at the
>problem areas today, Jugoslovkia, Kusdistan, Czechoslovakia, all
>Wilson concepts. He created the Polish Corridor and gave
>Danzig, a German city, to the Poles. He felt that Poland had
>to have access to the sea. Why? Czechoslovakia didn’t have
>access.

>Anyway, W.W.I’s Treaty of Versailles and Wilson were the cause of
>W.W.II. And we are continuing to pay for Wilson’s mistakes in
>other parts of the world.

To be honest with you, you are the first person I have read who gives Wilson
credit for anything after getting Germany to agree to the armastice.

From [email protected] Sat Sep 21 17:29:57 PDT 1996
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From: mgiw[email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: WW I and US involvement
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 20:12:08 GMT
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On 20 Sep 1996 19:02:58 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>> It has been common knowledge since around 1925 that the Zimmerman Note
>>was a British forgery.

> Please provide evidence for the assertion that the Zimmermann telegram
>is a British forgery.

How about the Brits admit it and make no bones about having done it? Good
enough for you?

Of course like any true conspiracy lover you believe that such complex
diplomatic negotiations that invited war with the US in return for an alliance
with a politically unstable country left one and only one written record in all
of Mexico and Germany AND that one record just happened to fall into the hands
of the British.

No wonder you are a set up for the holocaust stories.

> According to the item on the VENONA decrypts at
>http://www.fas.org/sgp/sec51.html David Kahn regards the Zimmermann telegram
>as “one of the most important intelligence revelations of the century”. From
>what I remember in his book, there was no mention of it being a forgery.

So he went to a public school also. Were you two in the same class?

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 21 17:29:57 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: McVay’s rave review for nixing Zundel’s air time.
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 20:13:24 GMT
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On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 23:38:15 GMT, [email protected] (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 17:19:14 GMT, [email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>#The real hypocrisy is from people like McVay who vociferously support
>#Zundel’s freedom of speech … but not in Canada. All he wants is to see
>#Z undel deported to Germany where Germany will punish his freedom of
>#speech.

>You _will of course, oh master of the lie, show us where Ken McVay has ever
>stated in any manner that he wishes Zundel deported?

Try Deja News. The senile hypocrite posted it here.

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From [email protected] Sat Sep 21 18:00:06 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: thought for the day…
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On 18 Sep 1996 17:05:32 -0400, [email protected] (Michael P. Stein)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>On Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:57:19 -0800, [email protected] (Mark Van
>>Alstine) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>, Jean-Francois Beaulieu wrote:
>>
>>>> “When someone has in the mind the liquidation of hundreds of thousands
>>>> of people, he’s hardly ordering colorimetric gas testers by bunch
>>>> of ten”
>>>>
>>>> -Confucius
>>
>>>”When one has in mind to test the aeration capability of the ventilation
>>>system of a homicidal gas chamber prior to the liquidation of hundreds of
>>>thousands of people, one would surely order ten gas detectors.”
>>
>> When one has dozens of delousing chambers for clothing one certainly
>>needs dozens of detectors of the gas.

> Yet there were only ten. More importantly, when one wants detectors
>of gas for delousing chambers one would think one would order them from
>the people supplying the chambers.

> The gas detectors in question were ordered by the Auschwitz Bauleitung
>from Topf and Sons, the firm building the Kremas. Topf was not in the
>delousing business at all; ordering cyanide detectors from them for your
>delousing chambers would be like asking your plumber to supply you with
>bags for your vacuum cleaner. Ordering from Topf only made sense if the
>detectors were connected with the Kremas which Topf was building for them.

> Once again Mr. Giwer displays his ignorance. Though I must say I
>still prefer it to his deliberate dishonesty.

As I have pointed out many times, holohuggers have no ability to separate
crematoria from one of five rooms in a separate building. Topf provided the
crematoria, they did not build buildings. But then that is all too hard for
holohuggers to grasp.

It is amazing how far you folks will leap to get to a preconceived conclusion.
Now you have oven makers in the business of building construction hundreds of
miles from their headquarters.

When was the last time a construction team was brought in from Philadelphia to
build something in Arlington? Does that make it clear to you? Do I really have
to go further?

>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html
>https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html

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Subject: One man’s opinion
From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:13:10 GMT

“The Nuremberg Trials … had been popular throughout the world and
particularly in the United States. Equally popular was the sentence already
announced by the high tribunal: death. But what kind of trial was this? …The
Constitution was not a collection of loosely given political promises subject to
broad interpretation. It was not a list of pleasing platitudes to be set lightly
aside when expediency required it. It was the foundation of the American system
of law and justice and [Robert Taft] was repelled by the picture of his country
discarding those Constitutional precepts in order to punish a vanquished enemy.”

— U.S. President, John F. Kennedy
John Kennedy, Profiles in Courage (New York: Harper and Row, 1964),
p.189-190.

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Everything about it is misleading
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Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Sat Sep 21 18:00:08 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Kurt Stele, Please Answer the White Courtesy Phone, Part IV
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On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 18:55:30, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:

>>The Internet is going to be the death knell of denier-revisionism. Prior to
>>the Internet your sort were publishing nonsense in badly written papers
>>mimeographed in someones basement. No one read them. Now you spew all over
>>the Internet for everyone who wouldn’t buy the handouts to now see what
>>idiots you are.

>>You, Giwer, Moran, Ursis Major, and the rest have absolutely nothing to
>>offer here and do your position more harm than good. The only denier here
>>who puts up any argument at all is jbelling/rblackmore and his credibility
>>has been thoroughly shot by his SWC and Discovery channel assertions.

>>No, I am afraid that the Internet exposes you people for exactly what you
>>are and people are not going to get sucked into that.

>Oh, some certainly will — the weakminded, like Moran, the drooling lunatics,
>like Giwer, and the classic antisemites, like George “Delirium Tremens”