Giwer Matt, 5-1996 – p2

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 13:54:37 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>[email protected] (Miloslav Bilik) wrote:
>>You forgot some datas; the main is that liquid HCN will fast
>>polymerize and for some other reasons will become quickly useless.
>>Liquid HCN is hazardous, but unstable too.

> Evidently it was shipped to Degesch. Do you have the
>polymerization times? Is it ten minutes, 10 hours, 10 days, 10 weeks?

Frankly it would be interesting to see the polymer structure and what
its effects are. Chemical polymerization does not necessarily mean
anything to what we are discussing.

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On 5 Sep 1996 06:28 MST, [email protected] (Danny
Mittleman) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes…
>>On 4 Sep 1996 07:30 MST, [email protected] (Danny
>>Mittleman) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (tom moran) writes…
>>>>[email protected] (Danny Mittleman) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (tom moran) writes…
>>>>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean McVay ain’t the web master of Nizkor? Okay then I see he
>>>>>>is listed as “Director”. What’s the difference between a ‘webmaster’
>>>>>>of a website and a “director”?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken McVay is just the computer tech, but he has a Spielberg complex, so
>>>>> we let him call himself “the Director.”
>>>>
>>>> “We”? Who is “we”?
>>
>>> The Zionist Occupation Government (ZOG for short). I know we exist, I
>>> even have the t-shirt to prove it!
>>
>>> No, seriously, “we” would be all of the people loosely involved with
>>> Nizkor (though I don’t know why I am answering you seriously now given
>>> my nothing else I have said in this thread is anything more than a
>>> troll.)
>>
>> If those co-conspirators would identify themselves rather than begging
>>off from any claim of active participation then they can be named in
>>the lawsuit against Nizkor.
>>
>> They vanish the instant the lawsuit is mentioned.

> You are hallucinating again. I was on the Nizkor web site the other
> day and the list of contributers to Nizkor has grown since the previous
> time I looked. The only thing vanishing is the reality of your lawsuit
> – which we all know you will never file as it gives us the right to
> depose you (which would be more fun that I can even imagine!) and the
> cost of you filing a suit would be prohibitive.

> But dream (or hallucinate) on, oh sottish one…

Thank you. I will check again. All the contributors can be named and
spend the time to beg being excused before the court.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 21:27:32 GMT, [email protected] (Mike Curtis)
wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:

>>> Brian Harmon writes:
>>> , well, let me make a few points first:
>>>
>>> 1) Dachau was not a mass-gassing camp like Auschwitz or the operation
>>> reinhard camps.
>>Auschwitz doesn’t appear to have been a mass gassing camp either.

>Another one of those “because I say” so guys, folks.

Because there has never been any physical evidence presented that
there was any mass gassing at Auschwitz. We have been over this many
times.

>>> 2) Using an autopsy to determine that a person died by gassing is rather difficult
>>> unless you’re there soon after the victim died.
>>
>>Nonetheless, the claim is that autopsies were conducted. Where are the reports?
>>Don’t quote me people’s opinions, including the doctor’s. Show me the reports,along
>>with evidence to prove that forensic tests were carried out to prove that the victim died
>>from cyanide poisoning.

>This guy refuses to understand reality folks.

So where are the autopsey reports? Non-existant? You are correct, no
one can understand holohugger reality. That no one can produce them
proves they must exist.

>>> You must be looking at a different set of pictures than the
>>> ones I’ve seen.

>>Could be, but they were taken at Belsen. I have also seen film footage showing
>>people in relatively good health. And I have seen the pictures you describe as well.

>In WHAT!

>>> > The majority of deaths in these camps was due
>>> > to disease.
>>>
>>> Oh? So the piles of starved corpses found there died due to
>>> ‘disease?’
>>
>>Yes. typhus and dysentery are “wasting diseases”.

>Diseases caused by? Let’s try and be honest here.

Inhaling HCN of course. What other possible cause?

>>> I assume you have read source material that makes you believe this.
>>> What was it, pray tell?
>>
>>Already posted. You’ll have to look for it.

>This doesn’t fly here. This is what is called by lurkers as a typical
>cop-out.

That is what the revisionists call not being suckered in by the
holohuggers beating to death and then trying to start over from ground
zero a couple months later.

The purpose of this conference is to make advances. Not to retread
ground in response to holohugger tactics.

The majority of the material is contained on the five major
revisionist sites, as opposed to the one shittly little disorganized
Nizkor.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:34:42, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
>>From: [email protected] (william c anderson)
>>Subject: Re: Show your support – sign on here
>>Date: 5 Sep 1996 16:28:26 GMT

>>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:

>>: If those co-conspirators would identify themselves rather than begging
>>: off from any claim of active participation then they can be named in
>>: the lawsuit against Nizkor.
>>:
>>: They vanish the instant the lawsuit is mentioned.

>>Matt, you don’t even read this stuff, do you? Every holohugger on
>>this list has BEGGED you to include him or her in the “lawsuit against
>>Nizkor.” I’m begging you right now–please, please, please include
>>me in the lawsuit against Nizkor. I haven’t done any work for them,
>>but if you’ll promise to include me in the “lawsuit,” I’ll pony up
>>some pages immediately.

>Me, too! Me, too! And can you sue a bunch of my friends, as well? Florida
>is so nice in January…

I will forward your name also. BTW: Please provide a serving address

ALL OF YOU.

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On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 14:40:15 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>[email protected] (Boz) wrote:

>>[email protected] (ZB) wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 03 Sep 96 13:58:59 GMT, “Duncan R. MacMillan”
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> How much is Saddam Hussein being paid to conduct his bomb-dropping
>>>>escapades at such a convenient time?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>—
>>>>D. MacMillan
>>>> “Usenet Enquirer”.
>>
>>>If you’re implying that our retaliatory strikes have some political
>>>considerations, it might make sense if Clinton were 20 points behind
>>>rather than 20 points ahead.
>>
>>Are you serious? A president prepared to go to war just so he can get
>>elected? Get real. Not even in America.
>>
>>Boz

> Who knows if this may be true. Yet the newspapers are carrying
>this theme.
> They carry the theme that the candidates should do this or that
>to curry the Jewish vote.
> The Jews make up only two percent or less of the American
>population so I wonder what they’re talking about.

The electoral college votes of New York State. And of course good
media coverage.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 5 Sep 1996 13:14:30 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>
>> Right here. It was posted. We have been over this. Look it up.

> The complete report was not posted here. I posted only the
>conclusions. The acutal report runs about 100 pages.

So post the rest since you have it. You have posted incomplete
material but there is no reason to assume you are being honest in your
claim about the rest.

Particularly since Elie Weisel and Simon Wiesenthal both support my
position, that you are wrong.

>> > Larson’s complete report was used at trial. It is generally available from
>> >several public sources as it was later made a part of the Congressional
>Record.
>> >He described that which he saw. It included operating gas chambers and
>> >victims of those gas cahmbers.
>
>> Let us examine the prima facia value of your claim.
>
>> You claim that he described an operating gas chamber. You therefore
>> claim that the US Army was permitting a gas chamber to continue
>> operating for him to observe.

> No such claim was made. The gas chamber was in place; he
>examined it.

Look above. You claim he observed operating gas chambers. Only a
holohugger can believe it is possible to observe an operating gas
chamber that is not operating (and which all authorities now agree
never existed.)

>Cadavers were present. He made observations about them and
>rendered a medical opinion as to the casue of death. What is so hard to
>understand. Please try to stay sober when you are reading.

But even holohuggers agree in their wildest imaginations that the
gassing stopped months before the camp was liberated and that the
bodies were cremated after being gassed. (Even though it is only the
wildest-eyed holohuggers who still believe there was any gassing.)

So there were no cadavers unless you are claiming he autopseyed
crematoria ashes but never wrote up a report of his methods. That is
quite the pity as it is beyond today’s forensic abilities to do that.
A great scientist, clear years before his time.

>> > You have a very odd view as to how trials are conducted.
>
>> But I do know how they were conducted. And I also know that someone
>> like you who claims to be an attorney supports courts like this.

> You have no knowledge as to how they were conducted.

That is because they were not conducted else there would be reports.

You have
>proven this time and again with your lies. For example, your statements that
>convicitions were obtained and men executed for the Katyn Forest Massacre
>and your statement that Hoess was acquitted.

I said Hoess was acquitted in his first trial in Poland. I have only
challenged you folks to find the reason why. (Hint: The court broke
ranks and required physical evidence. You find physical evidence of
what.)

And while we are at dishonest, you deleted the following description
of the kind of court you find up to the highest standards of
jurisprudence. As a highly educated attorney it is only a commentary
upon the decline of the justice system in the US that you find the
following to ber proper court procedure.

—–

And if defense witnesses should get carried away and presume to
claim that they know nothing of gas chambers, and perhaps even
dare to dispute their existence, then the least that will happen
to them is that they are declared unreliable. Even the Judge
himself may become abusive.260 But how the Judges change their
tune in those exceptional cases where a former SS-man
‘confesses’:

“A valuable witness, one of the few who confirm at least some
of what everyone knows anyhow.”261

Indeed, the author has hit the nail on the head! Since
everything is “judicially noticed” and considered self-evident
anyhow, it would be much easier to dispense with all the
laborious proceedings and simply hand down the verdict as soon
as the witnesses for the prosecution have had their say.

The courts frequently conclude from these circumstances that
witnesses for the defense cannot contribute anything of value to
an investigation anyhow, and thus disregard their testimony or
even dispense with summoning them in the first place.262

260 Cf. B. Naumann, op. cit. (Note ), p. 265; I. Mller-Mnch,
op. cit. (Note ), p. 107: “What all do you think you can make
this Court believe? I will dispense with any further testimony
of yours.”, also pp. 116, 172.

261 H. Lichtenstein, op. cit. (Note ), p. 56; op. cit. (Note ),
pp. 72f.: “[…] the Chief of the District Court said, well, we
get this sort of witness too sometimes. ‘Thank God!’, one might
add.”

—–

The point is that you support the idea that the court can take
judicial note of the guilt of the defendents pleading not guilty and
conduct the proceedings accordingly.

But then, you are an attorney. You believe this to be a fair trial.
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On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 21:23:15 GMT, [email protected] (Mike Curtis)
wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:

>>Concerning the alleged autopsies performed by Dr. Larson, as well as the numbers
>>of people who died at Belsen after liberation: rblackmore wrote:
>>> > I don’t need to look up his report.
>>>
>>> Why not, Herr Schwarzesel? Not interested in the truth, but in simply
>>> running off at the mouth? How unsuprising.
>>>
>>> > You are the one making accusations that there were autopsies done on people
>>> > who had allegedly been gassed.
>>>
>>> It’s not an accusation, Herr Schwarzesel. It’s simply quoting what Dr.
>>> Larson said:
>>>
>>>(Irrelevant drivel snipped)
>>>
>>> Herr Schwarzesel, please note the part: “But, in my opinion, only
>>> relatively few of the inmates I personally examined,…..
>>
>>I am not interested in his opinions. I want to see the autopsy reports which
>>prove conclusively that the presence of cyanide was found in these people
>>after forensic testing. That is what will convince me. Do you have it?

>I have to drop my civility here for a moment. Look, Mr. Belling, you
>were informed that gassing was NOT (N-O-T) used to the extent that it
>was at Auschwitz.

If it was used 1000 times at Auschwitz then I agree, 1000 times 0 is
still zero.

>The majority if the EXTERMINATION CAMPS used car
>exhaust.

Yet there has not been one credible eyewitness report, not one bit of
forensic evidence and no signs of human remains in the quantity
required and the one report from Treblinka is an obvious fraud.

But you know that.

One you allow yourself to understand the differences between
>concnetration camps in Germany vs. the extermination camps in Poland
>we might be able be on the same page. It will take a bit of learning
>on your part to do this. Can you manage this simple distinction?

1000 times 0 is still zero. No physical evidence.

Only tales from the likes of Bomba the Barber with around 100 people
in a 12×12 foot gas chamber, most of them seated, while he cut their
hair, exclusively fhe hair of naked females to give you an idea of his
perverted imagination.

You would have thought Treblinka could have afforded a larger gas
chamber. But then from his description of it, we know 800,000 is
impossible.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 15:51:15 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>[email protected] (tom moran) wrote:
>

>Three more names requesting to be put on the list of those endorsing
>McVay’s statement about Moran’s sister.

>>Those already signed on are:
>>
>>1. Chuck Ferree
>>
>>2. Joel Rosenberg
>>
>>3. Danny Mittleman
>>
>>4. Jamie McCarthy
>>
>>5. Keith Morrison
>>
>>6. Yale Edeiken
>>
>>7. Ken McVay, reiterating
>>
>8. Mike Curtis
>>
>9. Richard Graves
>>
>10. Mark VanAlstine

And if by chance you have a sister and she wishes she can sue them all
independently for libel. She is not a party to this conference and
such there is no defense against the charge of libel. And YFE will
lose his license over it.

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On 5 Sep 1996 06:22 MST, [email protected] (Danny
Mittleman) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes…
>>On 4 Sep 1996 06:44 MST, [email protected] (Danny
>>Mittleman) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes…
>>>>On Tue, 3 Sep 1996 05:55:46 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>>>>
>>>>># When does Israel plan to prosecute the witnesses against
>>>>># Demjanjuk for perjury?
>>>>
>>>>>Can you prove that they are guilty of perjury?
>>>>
>>>> He was not in the camp described. Therefore they lied. What is so
>>>>hard about that?
>>
>>> It’s hard becuase it is inconsistent with other assertions you have
>>> posted. Didn’t you just a day or so ago post that eyewitness testimony
>>> given fifty years after the fact is necessarily polluted? Didn’t you
>>> yourself say that even if these people THINK they are telling the
>>> truth, it is impossible to separate the truth from what they have been
>>> told during the intervening 50 years?
>>
>> Excuse me. I was unaware you believe everyone related to the
>>prosecution in this case should be brought up on charges of malicious
>>prosecution and abuse of process.
>>
>> OK, fine with me.
>>
>> But the bottom line is who is going to spend years in jail for this
>>known travesty of justice in any civilized country?
>>
>>> Did you notice that even though people here jump on most everything you
>>> say, no one jumped on that particular point? So why do you contradict
>>> it now?
>>
>> I was waiting for someone like you to admit the Israeli government was
>>involved in malicious prosecution of Demjanjuk. I chose the form of
>>the first post in expectation of someone, now you, to hold that the
>>Government of Israel is morally culpable of persecuting an innocent
>>man.
>>
>> It is appreciated that you have pointed out there is no justice in
>>Israel.

> Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, a troller whose only interest
> is in causing fights. While he can sound superficially plausible, he
> has lied about what has been said in exchanges (while accusing others
> of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to see posts which
> contain documented refutation of his claims (even when they have been
> emailed to him), engaged in actual libel, and generally conducted
> himself with such complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity
> that there seems to be no point in taking the time to read and respond.
> For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to:
> http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt

> He is an anti-semite too. To wit:

>>There’s no business like Shoah Business
>>Like no business I know.
>>Everything about it is appealing,
>>Everything that traffic will allow.
>>No where can you get that happy feeling
>>Then when your stealing
>>

> daniel david mittleman
>===========================================================================
> For More Information on the Holocaust see The Nizkor Project
> Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
> North America: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/
> (Under construction – permanently!)
Yes, little one, you have been caught between your denial and your
excuse and rather than admit that there is no justice in Israel you
have only the silly little shit mantra of OBE, the US DOD employee.

On 3 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA)
wrote:

>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.016
>Last-modified: 1993/03/22

> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])

> [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]

> THE TRIAL OF THE EXECUTIONER OF SOBIBOR
> Shimon Kanz

>A jury of judges, prosecutors and defendors who arrived from
>Germany and headed by the Israeli judge Dr. Beniski, heard testimony for
>3 days at the court of Tel Aviv. The testimony was given by Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann who survived after the revolt and who had refused to go to
>Germany in order to testify at the trial of the executioners of Sobibor.
>Her testimony led to a loud and stubborn victory of the persecution
> over the defense. The more she continued in her descriptions of
>the hell she had experienced the more appeased the noise of the
>prosecutors and their questions and comments stopped and they lowered
>their heads.

>In the eyes of the Jewish judge, who himself had tasted the camps of
>Hitler, stood tears and his voice hardly found its way through throat.

Obviously not impartial but then this is Israel.

> SPECTACLES OF CRUELTY

>”Don’t ask me for exact dates”, said Mrs. Lichtmann to the provocating
>and torturing questions of the lawyers. “At that time no calender
>existed but on the other hand I remember the events of those days which
>I am describing because they will remain deeply rooted in my memory
>throughout my life.”

It appears that unlike the war crimes trials, the defense was
permitted a meaningful crossexamination.

>The awful depressed the mood and atmosphere of the courtroom. Horrow
>accompanied the route from Krakow from where the Germans had openly
>exiled her, through Miliz, Dubinki, Charaschow, and other places on the
>bloody road to Sobibor. Physical and mental pains, blows and
>humiliations. Her husband Mark Weismann was killed with stones during
>the work in the camp Postak.

“Stone him. Stone him.”

“Jehovah! Jehovah!”

Stoned? Who biblical. But maybe he really just inhaled.

>The strikes and blows of the SS-men and Ukrainians while passing the
>”Spalier” (their lines) before the entrance of the concentration points.

>Already at the beginning of her simple words the lips whispered
>automatically: “Is this possible?” From where did this woman with her
>delicate face and blue eyes, take the strength to endure these tortures?
>From where did she have the strength to tell again of her suffering?

She was a prostitute, professional witness and avoiding prosecution
for her treatment of women in the camps as were so many of the
witnesses.

> DEVILISH LAUGHTER DEAFENS THE SCREAMING OF THE DYING

Devilish laughter. Melodrama testified to in court. The evil always
laugh as devilishly as they can. Ming the Merciless did it too.

Is any adult to take this seriously? Of course not. Only holohuggers
believe this sort of crap.

>She recalls events of Jews struck and shot on Dobinko. In Dobinko the
>Jews were loaded on wagon trains that went to Charabishow.

>Planes flew over the train shooting with machine guns into the wagons.
>They lowered the planes so that we could see the faces of pilots.

And the pilots were also shooting at the drivers and the engine/horses
of these wagons, depending upon translation.

And
>when they stopped the shooting for a while we heard them laughing. The
>devilish laughter deafened the screaming of those laughing.

Devilish laughter heard from pilots in the air over the noise of the
engine. Real true holohugger fantasy life here. And they could see
the faces of pilots from inside closed wagons. This woman certainly
has to be paid for this performance.

>On the way somewhere near to Dubinko, they were taken out of the wagons
>and the men and women were forced to strip off their clothes and to
>begin dancing. The voice of Mrs. Lichtmann breaks off.

Ah, yes, dancing. Dancing to the devil’s tune no doubt. Very
efficient these Nazis.

>Her face reflects her feeling of tortures and inability to tell all. Her
>words shiver and only an echoe is heard of those awful days which
>had become from day to day more terrible.

A true whacko so far.

>They were kept on the ground only one day. It was fenced in with barbed
>wire and again they were loaded on the wagons, like cattle from the
>slaughter and brought to Sobibor. Usually the journey from Charobichow
>took several hours. But then it extended to eternity and no one,
>neither Mrs. Lichtmann nor someone else from the survivors, remembers
>how long they travelled in the closed wagons.

So who could remember how long they traveled in closed wagons when
they could remember the faces of the pilots from the closed wagons?
This person is truly psychotic.

>Nevertheless, the journey lasted for a few days and the German soldiers
>were amused by their victims. There on the station before Sobibor the
>Ukrainians broke into the wagons and plundered jewelry and those who did
>not succeed to take of the ring of their finger in time, had the ring
>taken off together with the finger… “You don’t need either the finger
>nor the ring any more” the wild Ukrainians consoled their victims! “Soon
>you will be broiled and soap will be made from you, dist”.

Certainly fingers were just pulled off.

Tell me the truth. This was written by Stephen King, right?

>The Polish farmers also waited in front of the entrance to Sobibor and
>shouted at the Jews in the transports. “Throw us your money, anyway it
>will not redeem you from death, you are going to the gas chamber.”

But it was a secret and the farmers could not know about it.

But here it is not a secret and they do know about it.

It is also an interesting speech. Maybe it translates to a chant.

You will note below that no one understood what was being said in the
same testimony.

> THE SPEECH TO THE TRANSPORTS

>The shouts of the Poles penetrated into the conscience of those weakened
>from hunger and thrust pains and agony and they started
>screaming and yelling thus deafening the camp.

>The SS-man Michel who was called by the camp inhabitants “the speaker”
>as he received the arrivals with a prepared speech, did not have what
> to say to the Polish Jews. Those were received with whips and
>gunshots. The Polish farmers also shouted at the Jews from Holland,
>Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Greece – but those did
>not understand the meaning of their shouts.

They did not understand the shouts. Then where did the translation of
the chant above come from? This witness?

>At their arrival to the camp they were welcomed with a speech by Michel:
>”You have to be disciplined. Strip off your clothes, make a nice bundle
>of them and attach them to the luggage, in order to recognize them
>immediately after the shower, because you will not receive other
>clothes here.”

Right, bundles of clothes. Every found a bundle of clothes. No one
has.

>Among the transport of 7,000 men with whom Ada Lichtmann arrived in the
>year 1942 and who went on the same day to the gas chamber only three
>women survived chosen to work in the laundry. With an indication of his
>finger the SS-commander took her out of the line and asked her for
>profession. When she answered that she was a teacher he and his
>assistants broke out in laughter: “We will teach you to be a
>laundress… Choose two other girls.” Her closest friends Bela Sobol and
>Sarka Katz were already beyond the gate on the way to the crematorium,
>but she managed to get them out of the line.

In other words, like the soap threat earlier, she has no knowledge of
what happened after that point. The gassing all her fantasy.

>The Jews believed the Germans and in astonishing order they packed their
>belongings and after an hour not even one was alive, only a few
>craftsmen were allowed to survive.

But she has no way of knowing.

> SHOUTS GOING UP TO THE SKY IN THE NIGHT

>We three organized the laundry in the camp. Until then the German
>officers too were dirty and lice-infected. In the course of time the
>laundry was enlarged and women from other transports arriving daily were
>distributed to us. The judges realized how Mrs. Lichtmann hesitates in
>her narration and talk to her kindly: “Talk, remember as much as you
>can”.

They organized a non-existant laudry and then that non-existant
laundry was expanded.

Note here that the judge leads the witness. A typical war crimes
tactic.

>The tension in the hall extended also to the memory of the woman. She
>feels the good eyes of Dr. Beinski on her and of the stenotypist, a
>Lieutenant in the police Mrs. Hela Koslowski who stops her tears while
>writing every word going out of her mouth.

>The Germans do not want to hear about what she knows to tell but what
>she has seen with her own eyes.

Who is it that does not want hearsay?

But how can she not tell about the
>shouts of women who arrived with the night transports.

That is a question and she can not tell because she did not witness
it. What in the hell does the author think witness means?

The heartbreaking
>shouts and screaming ceased for a moment and then once again beginning
>penetrating the limbs and soul. The SS-men boasted the next day that
>they raped the most beautiful women in front of the whole transport.

But she was not raped. Must have been real ugly.

>Generally the transports arrived during the day. Once on a hot summerday
>a transport arrived with thursty people as it had been for several
>days since they had tasted a drop of water. The SS-officer allowed some
>to go and fetch water, but there the “Unterscharfu”hrer” Michel was
>already waiting for them and he made them run to a dug uphole which
>served as a privy and forced them to smear their body and face with the
>excrement. And thus he brought them back to the thursty people of
>the transport. From another transport young men were forced to beat each
>other to death. The last one remaining from this terrible battle was
>shot by the Germans.

And all of this from what she did not witness. Quite amazing that
this is level of testimony that was introduced in capital trials.
Even more interesting that crossexamination was not permitted.

> HEROIC DEEDS IN SOBIBOR

>The stories of Mrs. Lichtmann and her husband whom she met in Sobibor
>after the revolt are horrifying.

>They tell how the semi-alive victims tried to maintain to the last
>moment not only their human faces but also their human soulds. They tell
>about women who tried to save their children and were desparately driven
>to perform heroic deeds: About young mothers who attempted with their
>own bodies to cover and to defend their children. They tell about the
>Jewish officer of the Spanish civil war who immediately after his
>arrival tried organizing a revolt. The Germans found out about it and
>they chose 72 men and sent them to the crematorium. This massacre was
>supervised by the “Oberscharfu”hrer” Frenzel whose trial is taking place
>at the present inferment. Returning from the scene of the murder he
>ordered the quick erection of a temporary stage out of some planks,
>called for the orchestra, gathered the women and told them to sing and
>dance.

Thank you, Steven Speilberg. Jewrassic Pork lives.

>This Frenzel once caught a boy red-handed, eating sardines, he gathered
>all the Jews from the barracks and in front of all he shot the child.

Eating sardines. Are they not Kosher?

>Sobibor did not become at once a concentration of plants and workshops.
>The camp gradually expanded, developed slowly, erecting all kind
>of workshops. There work was done only for the German officers and
>guards. Coats, dresses, furs were sewn there for them, their wives and
>mistresses. Very few Jews were sent to the forest to shop trees.
>Once the Jews of such a group attacked their guards, killed them and
>escaped. The Germans took revenge on other Jews. But all considered the
>heroism of the escaped as a miracle and dreamt of doing the same.

Giving the number of escapes from A-B and every camp this is old news.

> THE REBELLION COMMITTEE

>Sasha Pizurski who was brought to the camp with a group of prisoners of
>the Russian army immediately formed a committee to prepare a revolt. To
>this committee belonged also the heroes Leibl Feldhendler, Shaul
>Felischmann and others who strongly detested the Germans and had decided
>revenge.

Excuse me. It took people who detested to Germans to arrive to
organize this and yet the people there knew of 95%+ being gassed by
them?

>In the barracks weapons were started to appear: axes and knives. How
>dangerous this was! How much courage, cunning, patience you had to use
>in order to conceal this. Many efforst of the spirit and mind, will and
>courage had to be used to take guns, rifles, bullets from the
>storehouses. The participants of this operation were divided into
>groups. The plan was worked out to the smallest details: Every group
>and its duties – really imaginative tasks: Some had to assault the
>guardtowers where the guards sat with machineguns; some had to tempt
>the officers into coming into the workshops; others had to attack the
>guards that were wandering about. Special men had to cut off the
>telephone and electricity lines and tear down the barbed wires – to make
>passage ways.

But gassing most of the arrivals was not enough.

> THE MALIGNENT BLOOD OF THE SS-MEN IS SHED

>The revolt was fixed for October 14, 1943. 700 condemned to death
>enthusiastically took their fate into their own hands. Until the
>prearranged sign was given every group had performed its tasks well.
>Nevertheless things which had not been expected in advance happened.
>Guns started firing from both sides, axes and knives greedy for blood
>shone in the air and the whole camp changed into a battlefield. On this
>day, October 14, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon there began on the
>hellground of Sobibor the shedding of the malignent blood of the SS-men
>and their Ukrainian assistants. Those who had been so sure of themselves
>when millions of innocent women and children were led to death, seemed
>now anxious and inferior, they became confused and ran like mice into
>the trap looking for a hiding place.

Sobibor gasse millions. How can the world have missed this.

>The SS-men and the police pursued the escapers. They mobilized airplanes
>and the Polish farmers of the area to help them pursue the fleeing Jews.
>Only a few pitied the victims and did not hand them over to the Germans.
>Out of 700 escaping from Sobibor only about 30 survived. Also Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann and two of her friends, one of them a Polish woman called
>Alina Stern-Sofermann, who is living in Israel succeeded, with help of
>some young Poles, in arriving to the partisans in the woods of Parzew
>and continued their war against the German army. But until they reached
>the forest they wandered around day and night around the camp, living
>of tree leaves and poisonous mushrooms that so burned their
>intestines that they wished to die.

They did not live off of them.

>They lowered their eyes and one of them was turning his head from side
>to side replied: “No, we did not easily agree to accept such a mission.
>It was forced upon us officially”. And the second added: “Its a good
>thing that you did not agree to come to Germany,,,, so we were enabled
>to come to Israel, a wonderful journey.” One of the present in the hall
>heard this conversation said: “The blood of the Jews shed by the Germans
>flowed like a river. Don’t you think that by defending the murderers you
>emphasize the responsibility of the German people of what took place.”
>The two defenders ignoring the question avoided answering and the
>question remained unanswered.

Most likely they would have been shot for doing so. That is the way
the holocaust works.

=====

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=====

There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Then when your stealing

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On Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:41:34, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]> Kevin Alfred Strom writes:
>>From: Kevin Alfred Strom
>>Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
>>Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 16:14:05 -0700

>>Christian Bau wrote:
>>> …
>>>
>>> Ask any German: In Germany, you have the right of free speech. In Germany,
>>> you dont have the right to spread nazi propaganda. These two things have
>>> nothing, absolutely nothing to do with each other.

>>I can think of no more perfect example of Orwellian doublethink than
>>this.

>>In Germany, you have the right to free speech, as long as it is speech
>>that the (occupation) government approves of.

>Well, no. The unfettered free speech provided by our Constitution is unusual
>on this planet. Most countries that one reasonably thinks of as free —
>Canada, the UK, New Zealand, France, for example — don’t go to quite such
>extremes.

>I think that is, perhaps, unfortunate, but it’s hard to argue that it should
>be the choice of some Minneapolis nazi bozo as to what the laws in Germany
>restricting the spread of nazi propaganda ought to be.

Why should the propaganda of one party be prohibited while the
propaganda of other parties is permitted?

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On Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:22:20 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>Matt Giwer still hasn’t commented on the outright lie he posted.

>To remind:

> From [email protected] Sun Sep 1 10:45:38 EDT 1996
> Article: 116072 of alt.revisionism
> Xref: world alt.revisionism:116072
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> Subject: Keeping the Belsen myths going
> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 09:45:46 GMT

>

>In Lueneburg, Germany, a Jewish physician, testifying at the
>trial of 45 men and women for war crimes at the Belsen and
>Oswiecim [Auschwitz] concentration camps, said that 80,000
>Jews, representing the entire ghetto of Lodz, Poland, had been
>gassed or burned to death in one night at the Belsen camp.

>

>This is a lie; a common type of lie from Nazis who deny the
>Holocaust – they lie and misquote witnesses, in order to make
>them appear unreliable; since there was no such mass gassing
>in Belsen, Giwer is trying to make it appear as if a witness
>said there was such gassing, in order to “prove” that this
>witness was lying.

>Giwer can try and tell us who this witness was. In fact, a Jewish
>doctor by the name of Bendel did testify about the murder by
>gas of the Lodz Jews, but he said it took place in Birkenau,
>not Belsen, and he didn’t say they were all gassed in one
>night.

>Matt Giwer is a pathological liar; the above is just one example.
>Never believe anything he says, before you check a reliable
>source. He is, plain and simple, a lying piece of scum, pardon
>my French.

>-Danny Keren.

On 3 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA)
wrote:

>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.016
>Last-modified: 1993/03/22

> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])

> [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]

> THE TRIAL OF THE EXECUTIONER OF SOBIBOR
> Shimon Kanz

>A jury of judges, prosecutors and defendors who arrived from
>Germany and headed by the Israeli judge Dr. Beniski, heard testimony for
>3 days at the court of Tel Aviv. The testimony was given by Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann who survived after the revolt and who had refused to go to
>Germany in order to testify at the trial of the executioners of Sobibor.
>Her testimony led to a loud and stubborn victory of the persecution
> over the defense. The more she continued in her descriptions of
>the hell she had experienced the more appeased the noise of the
>prosecutors and their questions and comments stopped and they lowered
>their heads.

>In the eyes of the Jewish judge, who himself had tasted the camps of
>Hitler, stood tears and his voice hardly found its way through throat.

Obviously not impartial but then this is Israel.

> SPECTACLES OF CRUELTY

>”Don’t ask me for exact dates”, said Mrs. Lichtmann to the provocating
>and torturing questions of the lawyers. “At that time no calender
>existed but on the other hand I remember the events of those days which
>I am describing because they will remain deeply rooted in my memory
>throughout my life.”

It appears that unlike the war crimes trials, the defense was
permitted a meaningful crossexamination.

>The awful depressed the mood and atmosphere of the courtroom. Horrow
>accompanied the route from Krakow from where the Germans had openly
>exiled her, through Miliz, Dubinki, Charaschow, and other places on the
>bloody road to Sobibor. Physical and mental pains, blows and
>humiliations. Her husband Mark Weismann was killed with stones during
>the work in the camp Postak.

“Stone him. Stone him.”

“Jehovah! Jehovah!”

Stoned? Who biblical. But maybe he really just inhaled.

>The strikes and blows of the SS-men and Ukrainians while passing the
>”Spalier” (their lines) before the entrance of the concentration points.

>Already at the beginning of her simple words the lips whispered
>automatically: “Is this possible?” From where did this woman with her
>delicate face and blue eyes, take the strength to endure these tortures?
>From where did she have the strength to tell again of her suffering?

She was a prostitute, professional witness and avoiding prosecution
for her treatment of women in the camps as were so many of the
witnesses.

> DEVILISH LAUGHTER DEAFENS THE SCREAMING OF THE DYING

Devilish laughter. Melodrama testified to in court. The evil always
laugh as devilishly as they can. Ming the Merciless did it too.

Is any adult to take this seriously? Of course not. Only holohuggers
believe this sort of crap.

>She recalls events of Jews struck and shot on Dobinko. In Dobinko the
>Jews were loaded on wagon trains that went to Charabishow.

>Planes flew over the train shooting with machine guns into the wagons.
>They lowered the planes so that we could see the faces of pilots.

And the pilots were also shooting at the drivers and the engine/horses
of these wagons, depending upon translation.

And
>when they stopped the shooting for a while we heard them laughing. The
>devilish laughter deafened the screaming of those laughing.

Devilish laughter heard from pilots in the air over the noise of the
engine. Real true holohugger fantasy life here. And they could see
the faces of pilots from inside closed wagons. This woman certainly
has to be paid for this performance.

>On the way somewhere near to Dubinko, they were taken out of the wagons
>and the men and women were forced to strip off their clothes and to
>begin dancing. The voice of Mrs. Lichtmann breaks off.

Ah, yes, dancing. Dancing to the devil’s tune no doubt. Very
efficient these Nazis.

>Her face reflects her feeling of tortures and inability to tell all. Her
>words shiver and only an echoe is heard of those awful days which
>had become from day to day more terrible.

A true whacko so far.

>They were kept on the ground only one day. It was fenced in with barbed
>wire and again they were loaded on the wagons, like cattle from the
>slaughter and brought to Sobibor. Usually the journey from Charobichow
>took several hours. But then it extended to eternity and no one,
>neither Mrs. Lichtmann nor someone else from the survivors, remembers
>how long they travelled in the closed wagons.

So who could remember how long they traveled in closed wagons when
they could remember the faces of the pilots from the closed wagons?
This person is truly psychotic.

>Nevertheless, the journey lasted for a few days and the German soldiers
>were amused by their victims. There on the station before Sobibor the
>Ukrainians broke into the wagons and plundered jewelry and those who did
>not succeed to take of the ring of their finger in time, had the ring
>taken off together with the finger… “You don’t need either the finger
>nor the ring any more” the wild Ukrainians consoled their victims! “Soon
>you will be broiled and soap will be made from you, dist”.

Certainly fingers were just pulled off.

Tell me the truth. This was written by Stephen King, right?

>The Polish farmers also waited in front of the entrance to Sobibor and
>shouted at the Jews in the transports. “Throw us your money, anyway it
>will not redeem you from death, you are going to the gas chamber.”

But it was a secret and the farmers could not know about it.

But here it is not a secret and they do know about it.

It is also an interesting speech. Maybe it translates to a chant.

You will note below that no one understood what was being said in the
same testimony.

> THE SPEECH TO THE TRANSPORTS

>The shouts of the Poles penetrated into the conscience of those weakened
>from hunger and thrust pains and agony and they started
>screaming and yelling thus deafening the camp.

>The SS-man Michel who was called by the camp inhabitants “the speaker”
>as he received the arrivals with a prepared speech, did not have what
> to say to the Polish Jews. Those were received with whips and
>gunshots. The Polish farmers also shouted at the Jews from Holland,
>Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Greece – but those did
>not understand the meaning of their shouts.

They did not understand the shouts. Then where did the translation of
the chant above come from? This witness?

>At their arrival to the camp they were welcomed with a speech by Michel:
>”You have to be disciplined. Strip off your clothes, make a nice bundle
>of them and attach them to the luggage, in order to recognize them
>immediately after the shower, because you will not receive other
>clothes here.”

Right, bundles of clothes. Every found a bundle of clothes. No one
has.

>Among the transport of 7,000 men with whom Ada Lichtmann arrived in the
>year 1942 and who went on the same day to the gas chamber only three
>women survived chosen to work in the laundry. With an indication of his
>finger the SS-commander took her out of the line and asked her for
>profession. When she answered that she was a teacher he and his
>assistants broke out in laughter: “We will teach you to be a
>laundress… Choose two other girls.” Her closest friends Bela Sobol and
>Sarka Katz were already beyond the gate on the way to the crematorium,
>but she managed to get them out of the line.

In other words, like the soap threat earlier, she has no knowledge of
what happened after that point. The gassing all her fantasy.

>The Jews believed the Germans and in astonishing order they packed their
>belongings and after an hour not even one was alive, only a few
>craftsmen were allowed to survive.

But she has no way of knowing.

> SHOUTS GOING UP TO THE SKY IN THE NIGHT

>We three organized the laundry in the camp. Until then the German
>officers too were dirty and lice-infected. In the course of time the
>laundry was enlarged and women from other transports arriving daily were
>distributed to us. The judges realized how Mrs. Lichtmann hesitates in
>her narration and talk to her kindly: “Talk, remember as much as you
>can”.

They organized a non-existant laudry and then that non-existant
laundry was expanded.

Note here that the judge leads the witness. A typical war crimes
tactic.

>The tension in the hall extended also to the memory of the woman. She
>feels the good eyes of Dr. Beinski on her and of the stenotypist, a
>Lieutenant in the police Mrs. Hela Koslowski who stops her tears while
>writing every word going out of her mouth.

>The Germans do not want to hear about what she knows to tell but what
>she has seen with her own eyes.

Who is it that does not want hearsay?

But how can she not tell about the
>shouts of women who arrived with the night transports.

That is a question and she can not tell because she did not witness
it. What in the hell does the author think witness means?

The heartbreaking
>shouts and screaming ceased for a moment and then once again beginning
>penetrating the limbs and soul. The SS-men boasted the next day that
>they raped the most beautiful women in front of the whole transport.

But she was not raped. Must have been real ugly.

>Generally the transports arrived during the day. Once on a hot summerday
>a transport arrived with thursty people as it had been for several
>days since they had tasted a drop of water. The SS-officer allowed some
>to go and fetch water, but there the “Unterscharfu”hrer” Michel was
>already waiting for them and he made them run to a dug uphole which
>served as a privy and forced them to smear their body and face with the
>excrement. And thus he brought them back to the thursty people of
>the transport. From another transport young men were forced to beat each
>other to death. The last one remaining from this terrible battle was
>shot by the Germans.

And all of this from what she did not witness. Quite amazing that
this is level of testimony that was introduced in capital trials.
Even more interesting that crossexamination was not permitted.

> HEROIC DEEDS IN SOBIBOR

>The stories of Mrs. Lichtmann and her husband whom she met in Sobibor
>after the revolt are horrifying.

>They tell how the semi-alive victims tried to maintain to the last
>moment not only their human faces but also their human soulds. They tell
>about women who tried to save their children and were desparately driven
>to perform heroic deeds: About young mothers who attempted with their
>own bodies to cover and to defend their children. They tell about the
>Jewish officer of the Spanish civil war who immediately after his
>arrival tried organizing a revolt. The Germans found out about it and
>they chose 72 men and sent them to the crematorium. This massacre was
>supervised by the “Oberscharfu”hrer” Frenzel whose trial is taking place
>at the present inferment. Returning from the scene of the murder he
>ordered the quick erection of a temporary stage out of some planks,
>called for the orchestra, gathered the women and told them to sing and
>dance.

Thank you, Steven Speilberg. Jewrassic Pork lives.

>This Frenzel once caught a boy red-handed, eating sardines, he gathered
>all the Jews from the barracks and in front of all he shot the child.

Eating sardines. Are they not Kosher?

>Sobibor did not become at once a concentration of plants and workshops.
>The camp gradually expanded, developed slowly, erecting all kind
>of workshops. There work was done only for the German officers and
>guards. Coats, dresses, furs were sewn there for them, their wives and
>mistresses. Very few Jews were sent to the forest to shop trees.
>Once the Jews of such a group attacked their guards, killed them and
>escaped. The Germans took revenge on other Jews. But all considered the
>heroism of the escaped as a miracle and dreamt of doing the same.

Giving the number of escapes from A-B and every camp this is old news.

> THE REBELLION COMMITTEE

>Sasha Pizurski who was brought to the camp with a group of prisoners of
>the Russian army immediately formed a committee to prepare a revolt. To
>this committee belonged also the heroes Leibl Feldhendler, Shaul
>Felischmann and others who strongly detested the Germans and had decided
>revenge.

Excuse me. It took people who detested to Germans to arrive to
organize this and yet the people there knew of 95%+ being gassed by
them?

>In the barracks weapons were started to appear: axes and knives. How
>dangerous this was! How much courage, cunning, patience you had to use
>in order to conceal this. Many efforst of the spirit and mind, will and
>courage had to be used to take guns, rifles, bullets from the
>storehouses. The participants of this operation were divided into
>groups. The plan was worked out to the smallest details: Every group
>and its duties – really imaginative tasks: Some had to assault the
>guardtowers where the guards sat with machineguns; some had to tempt
>the officers into coming into the workshops; others had to attack the
>guards that were wandering about. Special men had to cut off the
>telephone and electricity lines and tear down the barbed wires – to make
>passage ways.

But gassing most of the arrivals was not enough.

> THE MALIGNENT BLOOD OF THE SS-MEN IS SHED

>The revolt was fixed for October 14, 1943. 700 condemned to death
>enthusiastically took their fate into their own hands. Until the
>prearranged sign was given every group had performed its tasks well.
>Nevertheless things which had not been expected in advance happened.
>Guns started firing from both sides, axes and knives greedy for blood
>shone in the air and the whole camp changed into a battlefield. On this
>day, October 14, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon there began on the
>hellground of Sobibor the shedding of the malignent blood of the SS-men
>and their Ukrainian assistants. Those who had been so sure of themselves
>when millions of innocent women and children were led to death, seemed
>now anxious and inferior, they became confused and ran like mice into
>the trap looking for a hiding place.

Sobibor gasse millions. How can the world have missed this.

>The SS-men and the police pursued the escapers. They mobilized airplanes
>and the Polish farmers of the area to help them pursue the fleeing Jews.
>Only a few pitied the victims and did not hand them over to the Germans.
>Out of 700 escaping from Sobibor only about 30 survived. Also Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann and two of her friends, one of them a Polish woman called
>Alina Stern-Sofermann, who is living in Israel succeeded, with help of
>some young Poles, in arriving to the partisans in the woods of Parzew
>and continued their war against the German army. But until they reached
>the forest they wandered around day and night around the camp, living
>of tree leaves and poisonous mushrooms that so burned their
>intestines that they wished to die.

They did not live off of them.

>They lowered their eyes and one of them was turning his head from side
>to side replied: “No, we did not easily agree to accept such a mission.
>It was forced upon us officially”. And the second added: “Its a good
>thing that you did not agree to come to Germany,,,, so we were enabled
>to come to Israel, a wonderful journey.” One of the present in the hall
>heard this conversation said: “The blood of the Jews shed by the Germans
>flowed like a river. Don’t you think that by defending the murderers you
>emphasize the responsibility of the German people of what took place.”
>The two defenders ignoring the question avoided answering and the
>question remained unanswered.

Most likely they would have been shot for doing so. That is the way
the holocaust works.

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On Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:33:37 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>SS-man Theodor Malzmueller on the Chelmno extermination camp
>[Quoted in ‘The Good Old Days’ – E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
>Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 217-219]
>—————————————————————–
>When we arrived we had to report to the camp commandant,
>SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Bothmann. The SS-Haupsturmfuehrer addressed us in
>his living quarters, in the presence of SS-Untersturmfuehrer Albert
>Plate. He explained that we had been dedicated to the Kulmhof
>[Chelmno] extermination camp as guards and added that in this camp the
>plague boils of humanity, the Jews, were exterminated. We were to
>keep quiet about everything we saw or heard, otherwise we would have
>to reckon with our families’ imprisonment and the death penalty…

>The extermination camp was made up of the so-called “castle” and the
>camp in the woods. The castle was a fairly large stone building at the
>edge of the village of Kulmhof. It was there that the Jews who had
>been transported by lorry or railway were first brought…

>When a lorry arrived the following members of the SS-Sonderkommando
>addresses the Jews: (1) camp commandant Bothmann, (2) Untersturmfuehrer
>Albert Plate from North Germany, (3) Polizei-Meister Willy Lenz from
>Silesia, (4) Polizei-Meister Alois Haeberle from Wuerttenberg. They
>explained to the Jews that they would first of all be given a bath and
>deloused in Kulmhof and then sent to Germany to work. The Jews then
>went inside the castle. There they had to get undressed. After this
>they were sent through a passage-way on to a ramp to the castle yard
>where the so-called “gas-van” was parked. The back door of the van
>would be open. The Jews were made to get inside the van. This job was
>done by three Poles, who I believe were sentenced to death. The Poles
>hit the Jews with whips if they did not get into the gas vans fast
>enough. When all the Jews were inside the door was bolted. The driver
>then switched on the engine, crawled under the van and connected a
>pipe from the exhaust to the inside of the van. The exhaust fumes now
>poured into the inside of the truck so that the people inside were
>suffocated…

>

>-Danny Keren.
On 3 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA)
wrote:

>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.016
>Last-modified: 1993/03/22

> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])

> [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]

> THE TRIAL OF THE EXECUTIONER OF SOBIBOR
> Shimon Kanz

>A jury of judges, prosecutors and defendors who arrived from
>Germany and headed by the Israeli judge Dr. Beniski, heard testimony for
>3 days at the court of Tel Aviv. The testimony was given by Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann who survived after the revolt and who had refused to go to
>Germany in order to testify at the trial of the executioners of Sobibor.
>Her testimony led to a loud and stubborn victory of the persecution
> over the defense. The more she continued in her descriptions of
>the hell she had experienced the more appeased the noise of the
>prosecutors and their questions and comments stopped and they lowered
>their heads.

>In the eyes of the Jewish judge, who himself had tasted the camps of
>Hitler, stood tears and his voice hardly found its way through throat.

Obviously not impartial but then this is Israel.

> SPECTACLES OF CRUELTY

>”Don’t ask me for exact dates”, said Mrs. Lichtmann to the provocating
>and torturing questions of the lawyers. “At that time no calender
>existed but on the other hand I remember the events of those days which
>I am describing because they will remain deeply rooted in my memory
>throughout my life.”

It appears that unlike the war crimes trials, the defense was
permitted a meaningful crossexamination.

>The awful depressed the mood and atmosphere of the courtroom. Horrow
>accompanied the route from Krakow from where the Germans had openly
>exiled her, through Miliz, Dubinki, Charaschow, and other places on the
>bloody road to Sobibor. Physical and mental pains, blows and
>humiliations. Her husband Mark Weismann was killed with stones during
>the work in the camp Postak.

“Stone him. Stone him.”

“Jehovah! Jehovah!”

Stoned? Who biblical. But maybe he really just inhaled.

>The strikes and blows of the SS-men and Ukrainians while passing the
>”Spalier” (their lines) before the entrance of the concentration points.

>Already at the beginning of her simple words the lips whispered
>automatically: “Is this possible?” From where did this woman with her
>delicate face and blue eyes, take the strength to endure these tortures?
>From where did she have the strength to tell again of her suffering?

She was a prostitute, professional witness and avoiding prosecution
for her treatment of women in the camps as were so many of the
witnesses.

> DEVILISH LAUGHTER DEAFENS THE SCREAMING OF THE DYING

Devilish laughter. Melodrama testified to in court. The evil always
laugh as devilishly as they can. Ming the Merciless did it too.

Is any adult to take this seriously? Of course not. Only holohuggers
believe this sort of crap.

>She recalls events of Jews struck and shot on Dobinko. In Dobinko the
>Jews were loaded on wagon trains that went to Charabishow.

>Planes flew over the train shooting with machine guns into the wagons.
>They lowered the planes so that we could see the faces of pilots.

And the pilots were also shooting at the drivers and the engine/horses
of these wagons, depending upon translation.

And
>when they stopped the shooting for a while we heard them laughing. The
>devilish laughter deafened the screaming of those laughing.

Devilish laughter heard from pilots in the air over the noise of the
engine. Real true holohugger fantasy life here. And they could see
the faces of pilots from inside closed wagons. This woman certainly
has to be paid for this performance.

>On the way somewhere near to Dubinko, they were taken out of the wagons
>and the men and women were forced to strip off their clothes and to
>begin dancing. The voice of Mrs. Lichtmann breaks off.

Ah, yes, dancing. Dancing to the devil’s tune no doubt. Very
efficient these Nazis.

>Her face reflects her feeling of tortures and inability to tell all. Her
>words shiver and only an echoe is heard of those awful days which
>had become from day to day more terrible.

A true whacko so far.

>They were kept on the ground only one day. It was fenced in with barbed
>wire and again they were loaded on the wagons, like cattle from the
>slaughter and brought to Sobibor. Usually the journey from Charobichow
>took several hours. But then it extended to eternity and no one,
>neither Mrs. Lichtmann nor someone else from the survivors, remembers
>how long they travelled in the closed wagons.

So who could remember how long they traveled in closed wagons when
they could remember the faces of the pilots from the closed wagons?
This person is truly psychotic.

>Nevertheless, the journey lasted for a few days and the German soldiers
>were amused by their victims. There on the station before Sobibor the
>Ukrainians broke into the wagons and plundered jewelry and those who did
>not succeed to take of the ring of their finger in time, had the ring
>taken off together with the finger… “You don’t need either the finger
>nor the ring any more” the wild Ukrainians consoled their victims! “Soon
>you will be broiled and soap will be made from you, dist”.

Certainly fingers were just pulled off.

Tell me the truth. This was written by Stephen King, right?

>The Polish farmers also waited in front of the entrance to Sobibor and
>shouted at the Jews in the transports. “Throw us your money, anyway it
>will not redeem you from death, you are going to the gas chamber.”

But it was a secret and the farmers could not know about it.

But here it is not a secret and they do know about it.

It is also an interesting speech. Maybe it translates to a chant.

You will note below that no one understood what was being said in the
same testimony.

> THE SPEECH TO THE TRANSPORTS

>The shouts of the Poles penetrated into the conscience of those weakened
>from hunger and thrust pains and agony and they started
>screaming and yelling thus deafening the camp.

>The SS-man Michel who was called by the camp inhabitants “the speaker”
>as he received the arrivals with a prepared speech, did not have what
> to say to the Polish Jews. Those were received with whips and
>gunshots. The Polish farmers also shouted at the Jews from Holland,
>Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Greece – but those did
>not understand the meaning of their shouts.

They did not understand the shouts. Then where did the translation of
the chant above come from? This witness?

>At their arrival to the camp they were welcomed with a speech by Michel:
>”You have to be disciplined. Strip off your clothes, make a nice bundle
>of them and attach them to the luggage, in order to recognize them
>immediately after the shower, because you will not receive other
>clothes here.”

Right, bundles of clothes. Every found a bundle of clothes. No one
has.

>Among the transport of 7,000 men with whom Ada Lichtmann arrived in the
>year 1942 and who went on the same day to the gas chamber only three
>women survived chosen to work in the laundry. With an indication of his
>finger the SS-commander took her out of the line and asked her for
>profession. When she answered that she was a teacher he and his
>assistants broke out in laughter: “We will teach you to be a
>laundress… Choose two other girls.” Her closest friends Bela Sobol and
>Sarka Katz were already beyond the gate on the way to the crematorium,
>but she managed to get them out of the line.

In other words, like the soap threat earlier, she has no knowledge of
what happened after that point. The gassing all her fantasy.

>The Jews believed the Germans and in astonishing order they packed their
>belongings and after an hour not even one was alive, only a few
>craftsmen were allowed to survive.

But she has no way of knowing.

> SHOUTS GOING UP TO THE SKY IN THE NIGHT

>We three organized the laundry in the camp. Until then the German
>officers too were dirty and lice-infected. In the course of time the
>laundry was enlarged and women from other transports arriving daily were
>distributed to us. The judges realized how Mrs. Lichtmann hesitates in
>her narration and talk to her kindly: “Talk, remember as much as you
>can”.

They organized a non-existant laudry and then that non-existant
laundry was expanded.

Note here that the judge leads the witness. A typical war crimes
tactic.

>The tension in the hall extended also to the memory of the woman. She
>feels the good eyes of Dr. Beinski on her and of the stenotypist, a
>Lieutenant in the police Mrs. Hela Koslowski who stops her tears while
>writing every word going out of her mouth.

>The Germans do not want to hear about what she knows to tell but what
>she has seen with her own eyes.

Who is it that does not want hearsay?

But how can she not tell about the
>shouts of women who arrived with the night transports.

That is a question and she can not tell because she did not witness
it. What in the hell does the author think witness means?

The heartbreaking
>shouts and screaming ceased for a moment and then once again beginning
>penetrating the limbs and soul. The SS-men boasted the next day that
>they raped the most beautiful women in front of the whole transport.

But she was not raped. Must have been real ugly.

>Generally the transports arrived during the day. Once on a hot summerday
>a transport arrived with thursty people as it had been for several
>days since they had tasted a drop of water. The SS-officer allowed some
>to go and fetch water, but there the “Unterscharfu”hrer” Michel was
>already waiting for them and he made them run to a dug uphole which
>served as a privy and forced them to smear their body and face with the
>excrement. And thus he brought them back to the thursty people of
>the transport. From another transport young men were forced to beat each
>other to death. The last one remaining from this terrible battle was
>shot by the Germans.

And all of this from what she did not witness. Quite amazing that
this is level of testimony that was introduced in capital trials.
Even more interesting that crossexamination was not permitted.

> HEROIC DEEDS IN SOBIBOR

>The stories of Mrs. Lichtmann and her husband whom she met in Sobibor
>after the revolt are horrifying.

>They tell how the semi-alive victims tried to maintain to the last
>moment not only their human faces but also their human soulds. They tell
>about women who tried to save their children and were desparately driven
>to perform heroic deeds: About young mothers who attempted with their
>own bodies to cover and to defend their children. They tell about the
>Jewish officer of the Spanish civil war who immediately after his
>arrival tried organizing a revolt. The Germans found out about it and
>they chose 72 men and sent them to the crematorium. This massacre was
>supervised by the “Oberscharfu”hrer” Frenzel whose trial is taking place
>at the present inferment. Returning from the scene of the murder he
>ordered the quick erection of a temporary stage out of some planks,
>called for the orchestra, gathered the women and told them to sing and
>dance.

Thank you, Steven Speilberg. Jewrassic Pork lives.

>This Frenzel once caught a boy red-handed, eating sardines, he gathered
>all the Jews from the barracks and in front of all he shot the child.

Eating sardines. Are they not Kosher?

>Sobibor did not become at once a concentration of plants and workshops.
>The camp gradually expanded, developed slowly, erecting all kind
>of workshops. There work was done only for the German officers and
>guards. Coats, dresses, furs were sewn there for them, their wives and
>mistresses. Very few Jews were sent to the forest to shop trees.
>Once the Jews of such a group attacked their guards, killed them and
>escaped. The Germans took revenge on other Jews. But all considered the
>heroism of the escaped as a miracle and dreamt of doing the same.

Giving the number of escapes from A-B and every camp this is old news.

> THE REBELLION COMMITTEE

>Sasha Pizurski who was brought to the camp with a group of prisoners of
>the Russian army immediately formed a committee to prepare a revolt. To
>this committee belonged also the heroes Leibl Feldhendler, Shaul
>Felischmann and others who strongly detested the Germans and had decided
>revenge.

Excuse me. It took people who detested to Germans to arrive to
organize this and yet the people there knew of 95%+ being gassed by
them?

>In the barracks weapons were started to appear: axes and knives. How
>dangerous this was! How much courage, cunning, patience you had to use
>in order to conceal this. Many efforst of the spirit and mind, will and
>courage had to be used to take guns, rifles, bullets from the
>storehouses. The participants of this operation were divided into
>groups. The plan was worked out to the smallest details: Every group
>and its duties – really imaginative tasks: Some had to assault the
>guardtowers where the guards sat with machineguns; some had to tempt
>the officers into coming into the workshops; others had to attack the
>guards that were wandering about. Special men had to cut off the
>telephone and electricity lines and tear down the barbed wires – to make
>passage ways.

But gassing most of the arrivals was not enough.

> THE MALIGNENT BLOOD OF THE SS-MEN IS SHED

>The revolt was fixed for October 14, 1943. 700 condemned to death
>enthusiastically took their fate into their own hands. Until the
>prearranged sign was given every group had performed its tasks well.
>Nevertheless things which had not been expected in advance happened.
>Guns started firing from both sides, axes and knives greedy for blood
>shone in the air and the whole camp changed into a battlefield. On this
>day, October 14, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon there began on the
>hellground of Sobibor the shedding of the malignent blood of the SS-men
>and their Ukrainian assistants. Those who had been so sure of themselves
>when millions of innocent women and children were led to death, seemed
>now anxious and inferior, they became confused and ran like mice into
>the trap looking for a hiding place.

Sobibor gasse millions. How can the world have missed this.

>The SS-men and the police pursued the escapers. They mobilized airplanes
>and the Polish farmers of the area to help them pursue the fleeing Jews.
>Only a few pitied the victims and did not hand them over to the Germans.
>Out of 700 escaping from Sobibor only about 30 survived. Also Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann and two of her friends, one of them a Polish woman called
>Alina Stern-Sofermann, who is living in Israel succeeded, with help of
>some young Poles, in arriving to the partisans in the woods of Parzew
>and continued their war against the German army. But until they reached
>the forest they wandered around day and night around the camp, living
>of tree leaves and poisonous mushrooms that so burned their
>intestines that they wished to die.

They did not live off of them.

>They lowered their eyes and one of them was turning his head from side
>to side replied: “No, we did not easily agree to accept such a mission.
>It was forced upon us officially”. And the second added: “Its a good
>thing that you did not agree to come to Germany,,,, so we were enabled
>to come to Israel, a wonderful journey.” One of the present in the hall
>heard this conversation said: “The blood of the Jews shed by the Germans
>flowed like a river. Don’t you think that by defending the murderers you
>emphasize the responsibility of the German people of what took place.”
>The two defenders ignoring the question avoided answering and the
>question remained unanswered.

Most likely they would have been shot for doing so. That is the way
the holocaust works.

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On Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:35:30 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
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>Testimony of gas-van driver Walter Burmeister
>[Quoted in ‘The Good Old Days’ – E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
>Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 219-220]
>————————————————————
>As soon as the ramp had been erected in the castle, people started
>arriving in Kulmhof from Lizmannstadt in lorries… The people were
>told that they had to take a bath, that their clothes had to be
>disinfected and that they could hand in any valuable items beforehand
>to be registered…

>When they had undressed they were sent to the cellar of the castle and
>then along a passageway on to the ramp and from there into the
>gas-van. In the castle there were signs marked “to the baths”. The gas
>vans were large vans, about 4-5 meters long, 2.2 meter wide and 2
>meter high. The interior walls were lined with sheet metal. On the
>floor there was a wooden grille. The floor of the van had an opening
>which could be connected to the exhaust by means of a removable metal
>pipe. When the lorries were full of people the double doors at the
>back were closed and the exhaust connected to the interior of the
>van…

>The Kommando member detailed as driver would start the engine right
>away so that the people inside the lorry were suffocated by the
>exhaust gases. Once this had taken place, the union between the
>exhaust and the inside of the lorry was disconnected and the van was
>driven to the camp in the woods were the bodies were unloaded. In the
>early days they were initially burned in mass graves, later
>incinerated… I then drove the van back to the castle and parked it
>there. Here it would be cleaned of the excretions of the people that
>had died in it. Afterwards it would once again be used for gassing…

>I can no longer say what I thought at the time or whether I thought of
>anything at all. I can also no longer say today whether I was too
>influenced by the propaganda of the time to have refused to have
>carried out the orders I had been given.
On 3 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA)
wrote:

>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.016
>Last-modified: 1993/03/22

> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])

> [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]

> THE TRIAL OF THE EXECUTIONER OF SOBIBOR
> Shimon Kanz

>A jury of judges, prosecutors and defendors who arrived from
>Germany and headed by the Israeli judge Dr. Beniski, heard testimony for
>3 days at the court of Tel Aviv. The testimony was given by Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann who survived after the revolt and who had refused to go to
>Germany in order to testify at the trial of the executioners of Sobibor.
>Her testimony led to a loud and stubborn victory of the persecution
> over the defense. The more she continued in her descriptions of
>the hell she had experienced the more appeased the noise of the
>prosecutors and their questions and comments stopped and they lowered
>their heads.

>In the eyes of the Jewish judge, who himself had tasted the camps of
>Hitler, stood tears and his voice hardly found its way through throat.

Obviously not impartial but then this is Israel.

> SPECTACLES OF CRUELTY

>”Don’t ask me for exact dates”, said Mrs. Lichtmann to the provocating
>and torturing questions of the lawyers. “At that time no calender
>existed but on the other hand I remember the events of those days which
>I am describing because they will remain deeply rooted in my memory
>throughout my life.”

It appears that unlike the war crimes trials, the defense was
permitted a meaningful crossexamination.

>The awful depressed the mood and atmosphere of the courtroom. Horrow
>accompanied the route from Krakow from where the Germans had openly
>exiled her, through Miliz, Dubinki, Charaschow, and other places on the
>bloody road to Sobibor. Physical and mental pains, blows and
>humiliations. Her husband Mark Weismann was killed with stones during
>the work in the camp Postak.

“Stone him. Stone him.”

“Jehovah! Jehovah!”

Stoned? Who biblical. But maybe he really just inhaled.

>The strikes and blows of the SS-men and Ukrainians while passing the
>”Spalier” (their lines) before the entrance of the concentration points.

>Already at the beginning of her simple words the lips whispered
>automatically: “Is this possible?” From where did this woman with her
>delicate face and blue eyes, take the strength to endure these tortures?
>From where did she have the strength to tell again of her suffering?

She was a prostitute, professional witness and avoiding prosecution
for her treatment of women in the camps as were so many of the
witnesses.

> DEVILISH LAUGHTER DEAFENS THE SCREAMING OF THE DYING

Devilish laughter. Melodrama testified to in court. The evil always
laugh as devilishly as they can. Ming the Merciless did it too.

Is any adult to take this seriously? Of course not. Only holohuggers
believe this sort of crap.

>She recalls events of Jews struck and shot on Dobinko. In Dobinko the
>Jews were loaded on wagon trains that went to Charabishow.

>Planes flew over the train shooting with machine guns into the wagons.
>They lowered the planes so that we could see the faces of pilots.

And the pilots were also shooting at the drivers and the engine/horses
of these wagons, depending upon translation.

And
>when they stopped the shooting for a while we heard them laughing. The
>devilish laughter deafened the screaming of those laughing.

Devilish laughter heard from pilots in the air over the noise of the
engine. Real true holohugger fantasy life here. And they could see
the faces of pilots from inside closed wagons. This woman certainly
has to be paid for this performance.

>On the way somewhere near to Dubinko, they were taken out of the wagons
>and the men and women were forced to strip off their clothes and to
>begin dancing. The voice of Mrs. Lichtmann breaks off.

Ah, yes, dancing. Dancing to the devil’s tune no doubt. Very
efficient these Nazis.

>Her face reflects her feeling of tortures and inability to tell all. Her
>words shiver and only an echoe is heard of those awful days which
>had become from day to day more terrible.

A true whacko so far.

>They were kept on the ground only one day. It was fenced in with barbed
>wire and again they were loaded on the wagons, like cattle from the
>slaughter and brought to Sobibor. Usually the journey from Charobichow
>took several hours. But then it extended to eternity and no one,
>neither Mrs. Lichtmann nor someone else from the survivors, remembers
>how long they travelled in the closed wagons.

So who could remember how long they traveled in closed wagons when
they could remember the faces of the pilots from the closed wagons?
This person is truly psychotic.

>Nevertheless, the journey lasted for a few days and the German soldiers
>were amused by their victims. There on the station before Sobibor the
>Ukrainians broke into the wagons and plundered jewelry and those who did
>not succeed to take of the ring of their finger in time, had the ring
>taken off together with the finger… “You don’t need either the finger
>nor the ring any more” the wild Ukrainians consoled their victims! “Soon
>you will be broiled and soap will be made from you, dist”.

Certainly fingers were just pulled off.

Tell me the truth. This was written by Stephen King, right?

>The Polish farmers also waited in front of the entrance to Sobibor and
>shouted at the Jews in the transports. “Throw us your money, anyway it
>will not redeem you from death, you are going to the gas chamber.”

But it was a secret and the farmers could not know about it.

But here it is not a secret and they do know about it.

It is also an interesting speech. Maybe it translates to a chant.

You will note below that no one understood what was being said in the
same testimony.

> THE SPEECH TO THE TRANSPORTS

>The shouts of the Poles penetrated into the conscience of those weakened
>from hunger and thrust pains and agony and they started
>screaming and yelling thus deafening the camp.

>The SS-man Michel who was called by the camp inhabitants “the speaker”
>as he received the arrivals with a prepared speech, did not have what
> to say to the Polish Jews. Those were received with whips and
>gunshots. The Polish farmers also shouted at the Jews from Holland,
>Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Greece – but those did
>not understand the meaning of their shouts.

They did not understand the shouts. Then where did the translation of
the chant above come from? This witness?

>At their arrival to the camp they were welcomed with a speech by Michel:
>”You have to be disciplined. Strip off your clothes, make a nice bundle
>of them and attach them to the luggage, in order to recognize them
>immediately after the shower, because you will not receive other
>clothes here.”

Right, bundles of clothes. Every found a bundle of clothes. No one
has.

>Among the transport of 7,000 men with whom Ada Lichtmann arrived in the
>year 1942 and who went on the same day to the gas chamber only three
>women survived chosen to work in the laundry. With an indication of his
>finger the SS-commander took her out of the line and asked her for
>profession. When she answered that she was a teacher he and his
>assistants broke out in laughter: “We will teach you to be a
>laundress… Choose two other girls.” Her closest friends Bela Sobol and
>Sarka Katz were already beyond the gate on the way to the crematorium,
>but she managed to get them out of the line.

In other words, like the soap threat earlier, she has no knowledge of
what happened after that point. The gassing all her fantasy.

>The Jews believed the Germans and in astonishing order they packed their
>belongings and after an hour not even one was alive, only a few
>craftsmen were allowed to survive.

But she has no way of knowing.

> SHOUTS GOING UP TO THE SKY IN THE NIGHT

>We three organized the laundry in the camp. Until then the German
>officers too were dirty and lice-infected. In the course of time the
>laundry was enlarged and women from other transports arriving daily were
>distributed to us. The judges realized how Mrs. Lichtmann hesitates in
>her narration and talk to her kindly: “Talk, remember as much as you
>can”.

They organized a non-existant laudry and then that non-existant
laundry was expanded.

Note here that the judge leads the witness. A typical war crimes
tactic.

>The tension in the hall extended also to the memory of the woman. She
>feels the good eyes of Dr. Beinski on her and of the stenotypist, a
>Lieutenant in the police Mrs. Hela Koslowski who stops her tears while
>writing every word going out of her mouth.

>The Germans do not want to hear about what she knows to tell but what
>she has seen with her own eyes.

Who is it that does not want hearsay?

But how can she not tell about the
>shouts of women who arrived with the night transports.

That is a question and she can not tell because she did not witness
it. What in the hell does the author think witness means?

The heartbreaking
>shouts and screaming ceased for a moment and then once again beginning
>penetrating the limbs and soul. The SS-men boasted the next day that
>they raped the most beautiful women in front of the whole transport.

But she was not raped. Must have been real ugly.

>Generally the transports arrived during the day. Once on a hot summerday
>a transport arrived with thursty people as it had been for several
>days since they had tasted a drop of water. The SS-officer allowed some
>to go and fetch water, but there the “Unterscharfu”hrer” Michel was
>already waiting for them and he made them run to a dug uphole which
>served as a privy and forced them to smear their body and face with the
>excrement. And thus he brought them back to the thursty people of
>the transport. From another transport young men were forced to beat each
>other to death. The last one remaining from this terrible battle was
>shot by the Germans.

And all of this from what she did not witness. Quite amazing that
this is level of testimony that was introduced in capital trials.
Even more interesting that crossexamination was not permitted.

> HEROIC DEEDS IN SOBIBOR

>The stories of Mrs. Lichtmann and her husband whom she met in Sobibor
>after the revolt are horrifying.

>They tell how the semi-alive victims tried to maintain to the last
>moment not only their human faces but also their human soulds. They tell
>about women who tried to save their children and were desparately driven
>to perform heroic deeds: About young mothers who attempted with their
>own bodies to cover and to defend their children. They tell about the
>Jewish officer of the Spanish civil war who immediately after his
>arrival tried organizing a revolt. The Germans found out about it and
>they chose 72 men and sent them to the crematorium. This massacre was
>supervised by the “Oberscharfu”hrer” Frenzel whose trial is taking place
>at the present inferment. Returning from the scene of the murder he
>ordered the quick erection of a temporary stage out of some planks,
>called for the orchestra, gathered the women and told them to sing and
>dance.

Thank you, Steven Speilberg. Jewrassic Pork lives.

>This Frenzel once caught a boy red-handed, eating sardines, he gathered
>all the Jews from the barracks and in front of all he shot the child.

Eating sardines. Are they not Kosher?

>Sobibor did not become at once a concentration of plants and workshops.
>The camp gradually expanded, developed slowly, erecting all kind
>of workshops. There work was done only for the German officers and
>guards. Coats, dresses, furs were sewn there for them, their wives and
>mistresses. Very few Jews were sent to the forest to shop trees.
>Once the Jews of such a group attacked their guards, killed them and
>escaped. The Germans took revenge on other Jews. But all considered the
>heroism of the escaped as a miracle and dreamt of doing the same.

Giving the number of escapes from A-B and every camp this is old news.

> THE REBELLION COMMITTEE

>Sasha Pizurski who was brought to the camp with a group of prisoners of
>the Russian army immediately formed a committee to prepare a revolt. To
>this committee belonged also the heroes Leibl Feldhendler, Shaul
>Felischmann and others who strongly detested the Germans and had decided
>revenge.

Excuse me. It took people who detested to Germans to arrive to
organize this and yet the people there knew of 95%+ being gassed by
them?

>In the barracks weapons were started to appear: axes and knives. How
>dangerous this was! How much courage, cunning, patience you had to use
>in order to conceal this. Many efforst of the spirit and mind, will and
>courage had to be used to take guns, rifles, bullets from the
>storehouses. The participants of this operation were divided into
>groups. The plan was worked out to the smallest details: Every group
>and its duties – really imaginative tasks: Some had to assault the
>guardtowers where the guards sat with machineguns; some had to tempt
>the officers into coming into the workshops; others had to attack the
>guards that were wandering about. Special men had to cut off the
>telephone and electricity lines and tear down the barbed wires – to make
>passage ways.

But gassing most of the arrivals was not enough.

> THE MALIGNENT BLOOD OF THE SS-MEN IS SHED

>The revolt was fixed for October 14, 1943. 700 condemned to death
>enthusiastically took their fate into their own hands. Until the
>prearranged sign was given every group had performed its tasks well.
>Nevertheless things which had not been expected in advance happened.
>Guns started firing from both sides, axes and knives greedy for blood
>shone in the air and the whole camp changed into a battlefield. On this
>day, October 14, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon there began on the
>hellground of Sobibor the shedding of the malignent blood of the SS-men
>and their Ukrainian assistants. Those who had been so sure of themselves
>when millions of innocent women and children were led to death, seemed
>now anxious and inferior, they became confused and ran like mice into
>the trap looking for a hiding place.

Sobibor gasse millions. How can the world have missed this.

>The SS-men and the police pursued the escapers. They mobilized airplanes
>and the Polish farmers of the area to help them pursue the fleeing Jews.
>Only a few pitied the victims and did not hand them over to the Germans.
>Out of 700 escaping from Sobibor only about 30 survived. Also Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann and two of her friends, one of them a Polish woman called
>Alina Stern-Sofermann, who is living in Israel succeeded, with help of
>some young Poles, in arriving to the partisans in the woods of Parzew
>and continued their war against the German army. But until they reached
>the forest they wandered around day and night around the camp, living
>of tree leaves and poisonous mushrooms that so burned their
>intestines that they wished to die.

They did not live off of them.

>They lowered their eyes and one of them was turning his head from side
>to side replied: “No, we did not easily agree to accept such a mission.
>It was forced upon us officially”. And the second added: “Its a good
>thing that you did not agree to come to Germany,,,, so we were enabled
>to come to Israel, a wonderful journey.” One of the present in the hall
>heard this conversation said: “The blood of the Jews shed by the Germans
>flowed like a river. Don’t you think that by defending the murderers you
>emphasize the responsibility of the German people of what took place.”
>The two defenders ignoring the question avoided answering and the
>question remained unanswered.

Most likely they would have been shot for doing so. That is the way
the holocaust works.

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On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 10:16:32 -0600, [email protected] (Bodhisattva)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> The holohugger commonly present without evidence that questioning
>> holocaust promotes the hatred of Jews.

>This is a false claim. Nobody says this.

What have they said, oh idiot handle?

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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 03:26:27 -0700, Brian Harmon
wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>> On 4 Sep 1996 23:58:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>> >Whether or not you think they’re deluded, there still are
>> > people called priests, rabbis, and wiccans.
>>
>> It only works that way if words and titles have no meaning. An LEO
>> enforces the law. A scientist does science. A priest has an empty
>> title as there is nothing for him to do that is more than any
>> charlatan can do.

>And priests or rabbis performs the rites of their respective religions,
> matt, whether you believe in god or you don’t.

Save that these “religions” are no different from scientology and the
“rites” have no greater meaning than those of a snake worshippper.

In general, they are called idiots on the practicing and the believing
side.

>I’m not quite sure why you’ve gone on this millitant atheism rant,
> most athiests are quite content to leave religious figures well
> enough alone.

Save that in this case I am being hit by people who pretend there is
something sacred by being Jewish, which is nonsense, and by those who
think their birth mother means something.

I reserve the right to deal with primatives as primatives.

These Jews and supporters of Jews here believe in either what has
never existed or they belief in birth mother meaning something which
is equally ridiculous.

The entire idea of anything ever happening to Jews is only against
those who decided they were of the arbitrary and capricious category
called Jews that had no other meaning whatsoever other than self
identification. No greater real meaning than being a Mason or a Boy
Scout or an Elk.

That is the way it really is according to Alec. A Jew, a Moose, no
difference. And Alec puts the best light on things like this.

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On 5 Sep 1996 13:08:26 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] writes:

>> > Odd. I thought the Federal Rules of Evidence (Rule 703 is posted
>> > elsewhere) were written for U.S. courts.
>
>> > You have a very odd view as to how trials are conducted.

>> “Describing” that which he “saw” is not evidence of cyanide poisoning.
>Where are
>> the autopsy reports and list of tests done to confirm the cause of death as
>cyanide?

> “‘Describing’ that which he ‘saw'” is exactly what an autopsy report is.

If and ONLY IF it is of the body being autopseied and there are no
such reports.

> Have you ever seen one?

I have read dozens.

>When a qualified expert gives an opinion based on
>his own observation, it is evidence.

Which of course he presents within the report. First in forensic
terms on the cover sheet and then in medical terms in the body of the
report.

>Larson’s report was based upon numerous
>autopsies and inspections of cadavers which he performed. Cyanide poisoning
>is fairly easily determined by an expert

It is good to see you admit that there are no autopsey reports. None
were prepared or presented. None exist.

It is also good to see that an attorney such as yourself would be
suprised to see one in a criminal case.

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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 04:18:59 GMT, [email protected] (Andrew Mathis)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>On 5 Sep 1996 17:31:37 GMT, [email protected] (william c
>>anderson) wrote:

>>>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:

>>>: That is because, without cause, I was libelled in a manner that is
>>>: worthy of being answered in blood.
>>>:
>>>: And you must remember that blood libels justify any response.

>>>Let’s be perfectly clear on this, Matt. No shilly-shallying, okay?

>>>Are you saying that you would be justified in killing anyone who
>>>called you an antisemite?

>>>Are you threatening to do so?

>> I am calling it a blood libel. What does that mean to you?

>It means the ludicrous assumption that Jewish people kill Christian
>children to make matzohs.

>That’s what “blood libel” is, traditionally.

No differently than calling someone a nazi or antisemite.

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She investigates the holocaust.

Mon: Expresses sympathy for survivors who heare maniacal laughtere
over fighter plane engines.

Tues: Sympathizes with those who saw the faces of the pilots through
closed wagons.

Wed: Chews the fat with the soap makers.

Thurs: Lays Gerry Rivers and dances naked on stage.

Fri: Stuffs 100 people into a phone booth in commemoration of the gas
chambers.

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On 6 Sep 1996 01:26:20 GMT, [email protected] (Stewart King)
wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>:
>: And you do this despite your knowledge that any newcomer, no matter
>: how quiet his approach, who continues to disagree is blood libeled by
>: holohuggers. And as you know any indentification a person in nay
>: manny with nazi or antisemitic is a blood libel — meaning as do the
>: holohuggers, that it is worthy of being answered in blood.

>All content aside, how can you still respect yourself using a word like
>”holohuggers?” I mean, it sounds like you see them as 3-D projections of
>Bob Packwood walking toward you saying “Hey, honey, have you got those
>’briefs’ I asked you about?”

As you know, communication requires some word to describe the
phenomenon.

It is like a latter day Roman describing those who believed the
Christians were persecuted as persecution-huggers. No different as
the belief that they were persecuted was not limited to Christians but
included many sympathetic Romans.

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On Fri, 6 Sep 1996 06:35:01 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

># As has been discussed in depth here, the polish
># report is worthless as it has only one data point.

>No, it has more data points.

Only one, it has been exposited. Look it up.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: SHOW YOUR SUPPORT – sign on here
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 14:19:48 GMT
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On 6 Sep 1996 04:15:31 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>
>> It is great to read so many people support criminal copyright
>> violation and conspiract to same.

> Violations of the copyright law are not criminal violations.
>
>> Even Edeiken knows that the legislative history of “educational
>> purposes” does not support Nizkor but he publically posts a legal
>> opinion that such copyright violation is within the law.

> This is an outright lie.

People who have followed your advice so far have admitted to
conspiracy should the violation be found.

> I have never posted a legal opinion on copyright law. I have never
>given one privately. There is a simple reason for this. The Copyright Law was
>radically amended in 1988 to conform with the Berne Convention and I had not
>even read it until this morning.

That will be between you and those who think they read if from you. I
am not a party to your protestation.

> What I found is that you were lying. First, the “legistlative history” is not
>quite relevant. The Historical Notes (taken From Notes of Committee on the
>Judiciary, House report 94-1476 — the relevant legislative history) printed with the
>statute to explain it state:

> “Section 107 is intended to restate the present judicial doctrine of fair use, not to
>change, narrow, or enlarge it in any way.”

> Thus the judicial interpretation of “fair use” which was *never* restricted
>to classroom use is very relevant as legislative history.

> It should be noted that the Report also states ” . . . the endless variety of
>situations and combinations of circumstances that can rise in particular cases
>precludes the formulation of exact rules in the statute. The bill endorses the
>purpose and general scope of the judicial doctrine of fair use, but there is no
>disposition to freeze the doctrine in the statute, especially during a period of rapid
>technological change. Beyond a very broad statutory explanation of what is fair
>use is and some of the criteria applicable to it, the courts must be free to adapt the
>doctrine to particular situations on a case-by-case basis.”

> The report later states: “Although the works and uses to which the
>doctrine of fair use is applicable are as broad as the copyright law itself, most of the
>discussion of section 107 has centered around questions of classroom
>reproduction, particularly photocopying”

> It defines the scope of the section as being: “the comittee has not only
>adopted further amendments to section 107 but has also amended section 504 (c)
>to provide innocent teachers and other non-profit users of copyrighted material with
>broad insulation against unwarranted liability for infringement.”

> Perhaps it is me, but the normal English interpretation of the phrase
>”innocent teachers and other non-profit users” would indicate that the legislative
>history is *not* limited to classroom situations.

> I notice that you announce what the “legislative history” is but do not
>quote it so that others may see what you are talking about. In this case, of course,
>the “legislative history” would include the judicial precedents which it specifically
>embodies. A quick check of the annotations revealed no holding that fair use is
>limited, as you state, to classrooms. Several of the cases applied in to
>non-classroom situations.

> I would ask for some citations of the cases that support your
>interpretation, but that is a fruitless exercise. It is apparent that you do not know
>what you are talking about.

>
>> It is just one more thing to report the the Penn SC.

> Please do. Please tell them that I am an evil person because I quoted
>the legislative history that directly contradicts you ipse dixit statement. Your
>deposition on that point should be very humorous.

> I can’t wait.

> –YFE

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 6 Sep 1996 10:49:17 GMT, [email protected] wrote in
alt.revisionism:

>> <>
>> I’m not much on putting porno on the newgroup, but I can track it down
>> if you want the trash posted.

>I think this is necessary.

What you have to keep in mind in that holohuggers truly sexual
sadists.

There was nothing more revealing that seeing Streiker called a
pornographer when all he wrote was rather amusingly inane nonsense but
that the holohuggers called it pornography.

Holohuggers really are turned on, have a purient interest, in this
sort of thing. They love the idea of suffering and pain. They wallow
in it. They get glazed eyes just thinking about it.

This is something they love, something erotic to them.

If you challenge their holocaust you challenge their sex life.

If you challenge their holocaust you challenge all of their sexual
fanstasies.

If you take away their holocaust you take away their surrogate sex
life.

That is the way the holohuggers are.

It is the fine art of suffering developed over a thousand years, two
thousand even. No matter how laughable, absurd and ridiculous it is,
it is inculcated from birth. And as you have seen, defended widely
here by atheists who should know better.

They can not escape the way they were raised despite reality.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 6 10:59:42 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Ausrotten and the only good Indian is a dead Indian
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On 5 Sep 1996 16:22:50 GMT, [email protected] (william c
anderson) wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:

>: Accurate descriptions are not name calling.

>Good. You’re a half-literate anti-semitic lying troll, Matt.

>No name-calling there. No, sir.

It does not bother me, holohugger. Now stop making some kind of issue
of it when I give accurate descriptions.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 6 10:59:43 PDT 1996
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On 4 Sep 1996 17:05:54 -0700, [email protected] (Ken McVay
OBC) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Keith Morrison wrote:

>>Tell you what, Moran, go ask your friend Giwer. He likes Python. He’ll
>>explain it to you.

>Some minor nits to pick:

>1. Mr. Giwer has no friends.
>2. Mr. Giwer is demonstrably incapable of explaining anything.
>3. Mr. Moran is demonstrably incapable of understanding it, anyway
> – he refuses to update his collander, which is still running 0.6b.

>–
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From [email protected] Fri Sep 6 10:59:44 PDT 1996
Article: 62951 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Does the “A-Team” get paid?
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 13:18:43 GMT
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On Fri, 06 Sep 96 00:47:11 GMT, [email protected] (Allan
Matthews) wrote:

>> On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 21:21:01 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Allan
>> >Matthews) wrote:
>> >[speaking of Tom Moron]
>
> >> Perhaps he’s autistic – many of them like to bang their heads against a wall
> >> endlessly.
> >>
> >> Besides, one defining aspect of autism is being caught up in your own
> >> fantasies and therefore being detached from reality. That certainly sounds
> >> like Moron to me.

>>Allan:
>>
>>My son, who is autistic, deeply resents this statement.

>I’m sorry if I offended him. However, there are autistics who do bang their
>heads on walls, just as some autistics (note the wording I used above) occupy
>a fantasy world. This is a defining aspect of autism just as being suicidal
>is a defining aspect of clinical depression – it does not mean that all
>autistics are in a fantasy world just as it does not mean that all clinically
>depressed people are suicidal.

>If I’m factually wrong here please let me know.

I will tell you where you are wrong. The child is reported to be 9
years old. The child is reported to resent comments in this
conference. The child is reported to be following this conference to
the point of being able to resent remarks here.

I would question that even a brilliant non-handicapped 9 year old
could follow this conference. And if he can, where are his posts?

But what do we have here? A mother speaking for a handicapped child
claiming he “resents” something but can not type it in for himself.

It is bullshit.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 6 10:59:44 PDT 1996
Article: 62960 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Ausrotten and the only good Indian is a dead Indian
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On 6 Sep 1996 02:57:01 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> Keith Morrison writes:

>> Now why would Matt have ever attended a WorldCon? According to his
>> own words, all science fiction is garbage.

> I have no idea. The fact remains that he bragged about being a
>member of several.

There can be only one to be a member of. It is the one for the
particular convention. One would expect an attorney to understand the
legal niceties of how it is organized.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 6 10:59:45 PDT 1996
Article: 62965 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Gas-tight doors
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 13:14:29 GMT
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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 12:00:41 GMT, [email protected] (Angus M.
McLellan) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>
>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 11:12:15 GMT, [email protected] (Angus M.
>>McLellan) wrote:

>

>>>For the uninitiated, Mr Giwer is rehashing the “historian” Butz’s
>>>latest means of explaining away the gas chambers.

>> For mongoloid idiots like you, I have never read Butz. If I have come
>>to the same conclusion it is because it is so obvious. Anyone with a
>>minimal education should see it.

>I did not suggest that Giwer had read Butz :- Butz’s newest arguments
>were presented in this newsgroup recently. As far as I am aware, the
>Butzian opus containing these arguments is as yet unavailable. In any
>case, plagiarism – especially where Giwer is concerned – is a great
>deal easier to credit than serendipity.

Since then and now I have come across something of his suggesting the
secondary use of the LK was as bomb shelters. As you know, I
represented that months ago. It appears to be a matter of who is
leading the charge here.

If he keeps up with me, good luck to him.

>>>I’m afraid that anyone with any knowledge of Germany’s civil defence
>>>programme in the WWII era will laugh this one out of court.

>> I have seen the IMT courts and it is only the IMT courts that were
>>laughable and should have been executed on the spot.

>Giwer replies with unsubstantiated assertion irrelevant to the subject
>at hand; what else is new ?

I have posted many of them here. If you misse them, there is
DejaNews.

>>>Let’s look at the evidence.

>>>Case 1 : the UK
>>>Gas masks were issued to every single person from a very early period
>>>in the war (in theory before the began). That means everyone, adults
>>>to infants.
>>>Air-raid shelters in the UK were _not_ airtight. Look at pictures, do
>>>they look air-tight ? Are underground railway tunnels air-tight ?

>>>Case 2: the Thousand Year Reich
>>>In Germany, at no time were gas masks issued to all of the population.
>>>Possibly something to do with DF’s belief in the “stab in the back”
>>>myth.
>>>A cursory reading of accounts of the Hamburg and Dresden firestorms
>>>suggests that air-raid shelters were less than air-tight.

>>>Can Mr Giwer (or Mr Butz or any other apologist for Nazi Germany)
>>>produce examples of air-tight doors fitted to shelters in Munich, in
>>>Essen or in Stuttgart ? If not, what validity does Butz’s argument
>>>have ? What is Giwer’s point in posting it (without even acknowledging
>>>it’s source) ?

>> What is the point of introducing obvious engineering details of this
>>matter?

>What is the point of posting airy-fairy assertions to the effect that
>homicidal gas chambers were gas-proof air raid shelters without the
>least supporting evidence ?

Sorry but even if engineering details were introduced you would not be
able to comprehend them as you have no such knowledge or education.
If you have specific questions I am willing to address them.

As to this specific question we know from the Nizkor account that a
“farmstead” and an “detention room” without any modification were
suitable for gassing with ZB. It is unclear why you would want a
specially designed room when these were quite adequate according to
Nizkor.

>> It is uneductated fools like you that bother me. Not regarding the
>>holocaust but the economic future of America. Our educational system
>>appears to produce only ignorant fools like you.

>I am impressed by Mr Giwer’s reply, especially the manner in which he
>fails to answer a single point I raised. If Giwer believes that the
>points raised are irrelevant, it is for Giwer to show that this is so.

You should be impressed as it deals with physical data as opposed to
hysterical witnesses who were not subject to cross examination.

>”For evil doers must pay. Oracles and prophecies
>Only deceive, if this dream is not now fulfilled.”
>Sophocles, Electra

The superstitious are always among us.

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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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On 5 Sep 1996 16:29:33 GMT, [email protected] (william c
anderson) wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:

>: How big is your gang of conspirators? It is good tht you note there
>: is a gang and are only quibbling over the number of members in the
>: conspiracy.

>8,347 at last count, wasn’t it, Ken? I mean, counting the guys
>working on ways to counter tinfoil hats…

We are actually only at McVay and two other prople and the two
donation collectors to be named in the sequential lawsuits. That is a
total of five, three individuals and two organizations.

But if he is interested in naming more people than this they can
always be added upon his say so.

We just want the names of those who are serious co-conspirators.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Sloppy drunk again WASRe: Jewrassic Park
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On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 09:33:25 -0400, Annie Alpert
wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:
>> JewRasic Park had been seeded with a miiiion US. It is good to see we> can indebt tuture generations for the fun of it. After all, we do it> to pay for the medical care of our parents, who not for the pet peeve> of Spielberg>

>Matt, you have a serious problem with alcohol (drugs, too?). Do
>yourself a favor and get some help! You are embarrassing yourself in
>front of thousands of people, and it’s painful to watch.

Do you really think a silly goose like you can make any impression on
me?

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 6 10:59:47 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: another question
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On 5 Sep 1996 16:35:45 GMT, [email protected] (william c
anderson) wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>: On 4 Sep 1996 19:46:27 GMT, [email protected] (william c
>: anderson) wrote:

>: >This is in addition to the fact that Demjanjuk’s defense was based
>: >on his not being Ivan because he was actually a totally different
>: >SS guard at another death camp.
>:
>: Which makes everyone ever involved with the Mossad murderers.

>Wow! There must be a logical link in there somewhere, but I can’t
>find it…

A guard is not a priori a criminal. Nor is being a member of the SS
or a hirling of the SS.

But if you claim that it is, being a member of a criminal organization
like the Mossad or Murder Inc., then what I posted is correct.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 6 11:28:10 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Julius Streicher: Pornographer
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 10:33:33 GMT
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On 5 Sep 1996 18:45:28 GMT, [email protected] (william c
anderson) wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:

>

>: To Mr. McVay, re: Streicher: I am not denying what he wrote…I
>: am merely stating that it is unjust to kill people because of their
>: opinions.

>Try a little experiment, Mr. Blackmore. You probably know somebody
>who isn’t terribly stable and who has an tense relationship with, say,
>his mother. Befriend this person. Everytime you see him, tell him
>in the strongest possible terms that his mother is an agent of the
>devil, and is planning his death. Tell him this over and over–
>really try to convince him. Make up lies about her that support
>your argument. After you’ve got him hooked in, start implying that the
>only way for him to save himself is to kill his mother before she kills
>him. Really work on him. Suggest times and plans for killing her.

>When he does it, go to the police and tell them exactly what you did.
>Tell them that it was all just your opinion. See what happens.
>Report back.

Read what Steicher wrote. Measure the size of your erection. Report
upon its pornographic nature.

It may be a lot of things but it is not pornography …

unless …

my early speculation that all forms of expression of death, violence,
blood and the like are a perverted turn-on to holohuggers and that is
why they wax rhapsodic when discussing the way people died.

That is the only explanation for considering such writings
pornographic, exciting a purient interest.

Holohuggers are very strange people.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 6 11:28:11 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: A minor question
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On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 12:45:30 +0000, Laurinda Stryker
wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 3 Sep 1996 05:51:02 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>>
>> ># Why is that didn’t discover anything peculiar about
>> ># Auschwitz until after the end of the war?
>>
>> >Indeed, a minor question from a very minor person, and a lie,
>> >too; certainly, it was known before the end of the war what
>> >was happening in Auschwitz.
>>
>> From Soviet liberators only.
>[snip]

>Mr. Giwer: In response to my request for sources re: your assertions
>about Terezin, you replied, ‘Read the frigging NG for further
>details.’ I suggest you heed your own advice; were you to do so,
>you’d realize that this is indeed a lie.

Ever since the holohuggers introduced the rule of “read it in
DejaNews” the revionists have adopted the same rule.

Follow it, or read for a few months until you are qualified to
participate.

You may also review any of the fine revisionist sites for the evidence
of record.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 5 Sep 1996 22:10:17 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>> Who would harm anyone? The only organized harm I have seen in the
>>news lately is by terrorist organizations such as the JDL and what
>>would appear to be those with holohugger motives.

> If anyone else made these claims, I would expect them to at least try
>to provide evidence. But with a track-record like his, Matt Giwer is the _last_
>person I’d expect to even have evidence!

It has been posted several times. You know where to look it up.

>>He is safe from that unless they take a dislike to his DOD connections which
>>he now announces in his “transcriptions” using the address of
>>[email protected]

> How do I know that this entry was in the Milnet system where you
>claim it was?

Because you looked at the time.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 6 13:16:23 PDT 1996
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On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 21:21:01 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Allan
>Matthews) wrote:

>[speaking of Tom Moron]

>> Perhaps he’s autistic – many of them like to bang their heads against a wall
>> endlessly.
>>
>> Besides, one defining aspect of autism is being caught up in your own
>> fantasies and therefore being detached from reality. That certainly sounds
>> like Moron to me.

>Allan:
>
>My son, who is autistic, deeply resents this statement.

If he is, he can’t.

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From [email protected] Fri Sep 6 14:27:29 PDT 1996
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On 5 Sep 1996 16:28:26 GMT, [email protected] (william c
anderson) wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:

>: If those co-conspirators would identify themselves rather than begging
>: off from any claim of active participation then they can be named in
>: the lawsuit against Nizkor.
>:
>: They vanish the instant the lawsuit is mentioned.

>Matt, you don’t even read this stuff, do you? Every holohugger on
>this list has BEGGED you to include him or her in the “lawsuit against
>Nizkor.” I’m begging you right now–please, please, please include
>me in the lawsuit against Nizkor. I haven’t done any work for them,
>but if you’ll promise to include me in the “lawsuit,” I’ll pony up
>some pages immediately.

I will forward your pleading to the interested party.

Thank you for your time.

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On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 17:12:02 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Bob Beck) wrote:

>> Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>>
>> [re: Israeli “control” of White House, Senate etc]
>> : The very absense of physical evidence is proof
>> : that it is true.
>>
>> Very nicely put. May I quote you the next time a holocaust denier says or
>> writes “but no-one ever found a _written order_ from Hitler to kill all
>> the Jews”?

>Don’t worry, Bob… I have this little gem in my quote file, and plan to
>use it OFTEN in discussions (if you can call them that) with Mr. Giwer and
>his compatriots.
>
>You’ll be seeing it here again.
>
>Sara
>
>Like this:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>The very absense of physical evidence is proof that it is true.
>
>And lest we forget:
>
>”He who makes a claim bears the responsibility of supporting it.” (Matt Giwer)

>
>And of course:
>
>”Never debate, only attack.” (Matt Giwer)
>
>Which reminds me:

>Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, a troller whose only
>interest is in causing fights. While he can sound superficially
>plausible, he has lied about what has been said in exchanges (while
>accusing others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to
>see posts which contain documented refutation of his claims (even when
>they have been emailed to him), engaged in actual libel, and generally
>conducted himself with such complete lack of intellectual and factual
>integrity that there seems to be no point in taking the time to read and
>respond. For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to

>URL http://www.almanac.bc.ca/hweb/people/g/giwer.matt/

>
>Sara

>–
>”I am patient with stupidity, but not with those who are proud of it.”
> Edith Sitwell
On 3 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA)
wrote:

>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.016
>Last-modified: 1993/03/22

> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])

> [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]

> THE TRIAL OF THE EXECUTIONER OF SOBIBOR
> Shimon Kanz

>A jury of judges, prosecutors and defendors who arrived from
>Germany and headed by the Israeli judge Dr. Beniski, heard testimony for
>3 days at the court of Tel Aviv. The testimony was given by Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann who survived after the revolt and who had refused to go to
>Germany in order to testify at the trial of the executioners of Sobibor.
>Her testimony led to a loud and stubborn victory of the persecution
> over the defense. The more she continued in her descriptions of
>the hell she had experienced the more appeased the noise of the
>prosecutors and their questions and comments stopped and they lowered
>their heads.

>In the eyes of the Jewish judge, who himself had tasted the camps of
>Hitler, stood tears and his voice hardly found its way through throat.

Obviously not impartial but then this is Israel.

> SPECTACLES OF CRUELTY

>”Don’t ask me for exact dates”, said Mrs. Lichtmann to the provocating
>and torturing questions of the lawyers. “At that time no calender
>existed but on the other hand I remember the events of those days which
>I am describing because they will remain deeply rooted in my memory
>throughout my life.”

It appears that unlike the war crimes trials, the defense was
permitted a meaningful crossexamination.

>The awful depressed the mood and atmosphere of the courtroom. Horrow
>accompanied the route from Krakow from where the Germans had openly
>exiled her, through Miliz, Dubinki, Charaschow, and other places on the
>bloody road to Sobibor. Physical and mental pains, blows and
>humiliations. Her husband Mark Weismann was killed with stones during
>the work in the camp Postak.

“Stone him. Stone him.”

“Jehovah! Jehovah!”

Stoned? Who biblical. But maybe he really just inhaled.

>The strikes and blows of the SS-men and Ukrainians while passing the
>”Spalier” (their lines) before the entrance of the concentration points.

>Already at the beginning of her simple words the lips whispered
>automatically: “Is this possible?” From where did this woman with her
>delicate face and blue eyes, take the strength to endure these tortures?
>From where did she have the strength to tell again of her suffering?

She was a prostitute, professional witness and avoiding prosecution
for her treatment of women in the camps as were so many of the
witnesses.

> DEVILISH LAUGHTER DEAFENS THE SCREAMING OF THE DYING

Devilish laughter. Melodrama testified to in court. The evil always
laugh as devilishly as they can. Ming the Merciless did it too.

Is any adult to take this seriously? Of course not. Only holohuggers
believe this sort of crap.

>She recalls events of Jews struck and shot on Dobinko. In Dobinko the
>Jews were loaded on wagon trains that went to Charabishow.

>Planes flew over the train shooting with machine guns into the wagons.
>They lowered the planes so that we could see the faces of pilots.

And the pilots were also shooting at the drivers and the engine/horses
of these wagons, depending upon translation.

And
>when they stopped the shooting for a while we heard them laughing. The
>devilish laughter deafened the screaming of those laughing.

Devilish laughter heard from pilots in the air over the noise of the
engine. Real true holohugger fantasy life here. And they could see
the faces of pilots from inside closed wagons. This woman certainly
has to be paid for this performance.

>On the way somewhere near to Dubinko, they were taken out of the wagons
>and the men and women were forced to strip off their clothes and to
>begin dancing. The voice of Mrs. Lichtmann breaks off.

Ah, yes, dancing. Dancing to the devil’s tune no doubt. Very
efficient these Nazis.

>Her face reflects her feeling of tortures and inability to tell all. Her
>words shiver and only an echoe is heard of those awful days which
>had become from day to day more terrible.

A true whacko so far.

>They were kept on the ground only one day. It was fenced in with barbed
>wire and again they were loaded on the wagons, like cattle from the
>slaughter and brought to Sobibor. Usually the journey from Charobichow
>took several hours. But then it extended to eternity and no one,
>neither Mrs. Lichtmann nor someone else from the survivors, remembers
>how long they travelled in the closed wagons.

So who could remember how long they traveled in closed wagons when
they could remember the faces of the pilots from the closed wagons?
This person is truly psychotic.

>Nevertheless, the journey lasted for a few days and the German soldiers
>were amused by their victims. There on the station before Sobibor the
>Ukrainians broke into the wagons and plundered jewelry and those who did
>not succeed to take of the ring of their finger in time, had the ring
>taken off together with the finger… “You don’t need either the finger
>nor the ring any more” the wild Ukrainians consoled their victims! “Soon
>you will be broiled and soap will be made from you, dist”.

Certainly fingers were just pulled off.

Tell me the truth. This was written by Stephen King, right?

>The Polish farmers also waited in front of the entrance to Sobibor and
>shouted at the Jews in the transports. “Throw us your money, anyway it
>will not redeem you from death, you are going to the gas chamber.”

But it was a secret and the farmers could not know about it.

But here it is not a secret and they do know about it.

It is also an interesting speech. Maybe it translates to a chant.

You will note below that no one understood what was being said in the
same testimony.

> THE SPEECH TO THE TRANSPORTS

>The shouts of the Poles penetrated into the conscience of those weakened
>from hunger and thrust pains and agony and they started
>screaming and yelling thus deafening the camp.

>The SS-man Michel who was called by the camp inhabitants “the speaker”
>as he received the arrivals with a prepared speech, did not have what
> to say to the Polish Jews. Those were received with whips and
>gunshots. The Polish farmers also shouted at the Jews from Holland,
>Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Greece – but those did
>not understand the meaning of their shouts.

They did not understand the shouts. Then where did the translation of
the chant above come from? This witness?

>At their arrival to the camp they were welcomed with a speech by Michel:
>”You have to be disciplined. Strip off your clothes, make a nice bundle
>of them and attach them to the luggage, in order to recognize them
>immediately after the shower, because you will not receive other
>clothes here.”

Right, bundles of clothes. Every found a bundle of clothes. No one
has.

>Among the transport of 7,000 men with whom Ada Lichtmann arrived in the
>year 1942 and who went on the same day to the gas chamber only three
>women survived chosen to work in the laundry. With an indication of his
>finger the SS-commander took her out of the line and asked her for
>profession. When she answered that she was a teacher he and his
>assistants broke out in laughter: “We will teach you to be a
>laundress… Choose two other girls.” Her closest friends Bela Sobol and
>Sarka Katz were already beyond the gate on the way to the crematorium,
>but she managed to get them out of the line.

In other words, like the soap threat earlier, she has no knowledge of
what happened after that point. The gassing all her fantasy.

>The Jews believed the Germans and in astonishing order they packed their
>belongings and after an hour not even one was alive, only a few
>craftsmen were allowed to survive.

But she has no way of knowing.

> SHOUTS GOING UP TO THE SKY IN THE NIGHT

>We three organized the laundry in the camp. Until then the German
>officers too were dirty and lice-infected. In the course of time the
>laundry was enlarged and women from other transports arriving daily were
>distributed to us. The judges realized how Mrs. Lichtmann hesitates in
>her narration and talk to her kindly: “Talk, remember as much as you
>can”.

They organized a non-existant laudry and then that non-existant
laundry was expanded.

Note here that the judge leads the witness. A typical war crimes
tactic.

>The tension in the hall extended also to the memory of the woman. She
>feels the good eyes of Dr. Beinski on her and of the stenotypist, a
>Lieutenant in the police Mrs. Hela Koslowski who stops her tears while
>writing every word going out of her mouth.

>The Germans do not want to hear about what she knows to tell but what
>she has seen with her own eyes.

Who is it that does not want hearsay?

But how can she not tell about the
>shouts of women who arrived with the night transports.

That is a question and she can not tell because she did not witness
it. What in the hell does the author think witness means?

The heartbreaking
>shouts and screaming ceased for a moment and then once again beginning
>penetrating the limbs and soul. The SS-men boasted the next day that
>they raped the most beautiful women in front of the whole transport.

But she was not raped. Must have been real ugly.

>Generally the transports arrived during the day. Once on a hot summerday
>a transport arrived with thursty people as it had been for several
>days since they had tasted a drop of water. The SS-officer allowed some
>to go and fetch water, but there the “Unterscharfu”hrer” Michel was
>already waiting for them and he made them run to a dug uphole which
>served as a privy and forced them to smear their body and face with the
>excrement. And thus he brought them back to the thursty people of
>the transport. From another transport young men were forced to beat each
>other to death. The last one remaining from this terrible battle was
>shot by the Germans.

And all of this from what she did not witness. Quite amazing that
this is level of testimony that was introduced in capital trials.
Even more interesting that crossexamination was not permitted.

> HEROIC DEEDS IN SOBIBOR

>The stories of Mrs. Lichtmann and her husband whom she met in Sobibor
>after the revolt are horrifying.

>They tell how the semi-alive victims tried to maintain to the last
>moment not only their human faces but also their human soulds. They tell
>about women who tried to save their children and were desparately driven
>to perform heroic deeds: About young mothers who attempted with their
>own bodies to cover and to defend their children. They tell about the
>Jewish officer of the Spanish civil war who immediately after his
>arrival tried organizing a revolt. The Germans found out about it and
>they chose 72 men and sent them to the crematorium. This massacre was
>supervised by the “Oberscharfu”hrer” Frenzel whose trial is taking place
>at the present inferment. Returning from the scene of the murder he
>ordered the quick erection of a temporary stage out of some planks,
>called for the orchestra, gathered the women and told them to sing and
>dance.

Thank you, Steven Speilberg. Jewrassic Pork lives.

>This Frenzel once caught a boy red-handed, eating sardines, he gathered
>all the Jews from the barracks and in front of all he shot the child.

Eating sardines. Are they not Kosher?

>Sobibor did not become at once a concentration of plants and workshops.
>The camp gradually expanded, developed slowly, erecting all kind
>of workshops. There work was done only for the German officers and
>guards. Coats, dresses, furs were sewn there for them, their wives and
>mistresses. Very few Jews were sent to the forest to shop trees.
>Once the Jews of such a group attacked their guards, killed them and
>escaped. The Germans took revenge on other Jews. But all considered the
>heroism of the escaped as a miracle and dreamt of doing the same.

Giving the number of escapes from A-B and every camp this is old news.

> THE REBELLION COMMITTEE

>Sasha Pizurski who was brought to the camp with a group of prisoners of
>the Russian army immediately formed a committee to prepare a revolt. To
>this committee belonged also the heroes Leibl Feldhendler, Shaul
>Felischmann and others who strongly detested the Germans and had decided
>revenge.

Excuse me. It took people who detested to Germans to arrive to
organize this and yet the people there knew of 95%+ being gassed by
them?

>In the barracks weapons were started to appear: axes and knives. How
>dangerous this was! How much courage, cunning, patience you had to use
>in order to conceal this. Many efforst of the spirit and mind, will and
>courage had to be used to take guns, rifles, bullets from the
>storehouses. The participants of this operation were divided into
>groups. The plan was worked out to the smallest details: Every group
>and its duties – really imaginative tasks: Some had to assault the
>guardtowers where the guards sat with machineguns; some had to tempt
>the officers into coming into the workshops; others had to attack the
>guards that were wandering about. Special men had to cut off the
>telephone and electricity lines and tear down the barbed wires – to make
>passage ways.

But gassing most of the arrivals was not enough.

> THE MALIGNENT BLOOD OF THE SS-MEN IS SHED

>The revolt was fixed for October 14, 1943. 700 condemned to death
>enthusiastically took their fate into their own hands. Until the
>prearranged sign was given every group had performed its tasks well.
>Nevertheless things which had not been expected in advance happened.
>Guns started firing from both sides, axes and knives greedy for blood
>shone in the air and the whole camp changed into a battlefield. On this
>day, October 14, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon there began on the
>hellground of Sobibor the shedding of the malignent blood of the SS-men
>and their Ukrainian assistants. Those who had been so sure of themselves
>when millions of innocent women and children were led to death, seemed
>now anxious and inferior, they became confused and ran like mice into
>the trap looking for a hiding place.

Sobibor gasse millions. How can the world have missed this.

>The SS-men and the police pursued the escapers. They mobilized airplanes
>and the Polish farmers of the area to help them pursue the fleeing Jews.
>Only a few pitied the victims and did not hand them over to the Germans.
>Out of 700 escaping from Sobibor only about 30 survived. Also Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann and two of her friends, one of them a Polish woman called
>Alina Stern-Sofermann, who is living in Israel succeeded, with help of
>some young Poles, in arriving to the partisans in the woods of Parzew
>and continued their war against the German army. But until they reached
>the forest they wandered around day and night around the camp, living
>of tree leaves and poisonous mushrooms that so burned their
>intestines that they wished to die.

They did not live off of them.

>They lowered their eyes and one of them was turning his head from side
>to side replied: “No, we did not easily agree to accept such a mission.
>It was forced upon us officially”. And the second added: “Its a good
>thing that you did not agree to come to Germany,,,, so we were enabled
>to come to Israel, a wonderful journey.” One of the present in the hall
>heard this conversation said: “The blood of the Jews shed by the Germans
>flowed like a river. Don’t you think that by defending the murderers you
>emphasize the responsibility of the German people of what took place.”
>The two defenders ignoring the question avoided answering and the
>question remained unanswered.

Most likely they would have been shot for doing so. That is the way
the holocaust works.

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On Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:44:41 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Danny Mittleman) writes:

># But there is, what? Seven inches difference in height?

>Is this known? How do you know what “Ivan’s” height was?

># And the photos were picked out 50 years after the fact.

>The process started at 1981, didn’t it? Also, were not much
>older photos of demjanjuk presented?

># And there is some evidence he was at another camp?

>Yes, that’s true. But many SS-men were at more “Reinhard”
>camp than one: Stangl, Lambert, Franz…
>
># I am not asserting that Demjanjuk was not Ivan, I am merely
># asserting that there is some basis for reasonable doubt.

>Which is why the Israeli court let him go.

All the more your are proving either murder or malicious prosecution
either of which is a criminal offense.

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THIS IS YOUR IMT — The Bench Rules on Cross Examination

DR THOMA: Witness, the Defendant Rosenberg assures me most definitely
that
has never been to the concentration camp at Dachau. Is it possible
that
there has been a mistake?

BLAHA: I believe I am not mistaken. Besides, the German in question
knew
Rosenberg very well, I believe.

DR THOMA: How do you know that?

BLAHA: Because he told me so definitely. Otherwise, I have no way of
knowing that.

THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Thoma

DR THOMA: Yes

THE PRESIDENT: You will forgive me if I point out to you that this is
intended to be an expeditious trial and that it is not right to take
up too
much time on small points like this.

IMT V, p. 194

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On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 17:16:30 GMT, [email protected] (Bruce Wedding)
wrote:

>[email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>>>There already is a movie about it tom. I can’t recall the name, but
>>>it is the one starring Meg Ryan.

>>Really? If you recall the name, let me know. Thanks

>Courage Under Fire starring Meg Ryan and Denzel Washington.

That is like saying South Pacific is about WW II.

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On Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:38:27 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>
># That is because, without cause, I was libelled in a manner
># that is worthy of being answered in blood.
>
>What’s this, Matty my boy? Yet another death threat? You’re
>posting about one per week, it seems.
>
>Wouldn’t it be better to try to find a job? You retired
>at the age of 46, 5 years ago. Maybe, if you put all your
>power into it, you could still find a job of some sort.
>
>It may help your mental condition.
>
>
>-Danny Keren.

It is more interesting writing a book on the nonsense of the
holohuggers. You folks have made it rather easy. You have pointed me
to all kinds of ridiculous material and I have seen the best responses
you can come up with.

As for yourself, why don’t you take some course work in computer
science.
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Subject: Who sides with Hitler?
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Hitler and the ‘Big Lie’

It has been repeated so often that virtually no one bothers to
challenge it: Adolf Hitler
created and used the “Big Lie,” one of his many evil techniques. As
holds true for so many
things we are told, this belief, too, must be examined to see the
underlying truth.

In Mein Kampf, Hitler wrote:

But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for
falsehood, and
their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute responsibility
for the downfall
[of Germany in WWI] precisely to the man who alone had shown a
superhuman
will and energy in his effort to prevent the catastrophe which he
had foreseen
and to save the nation from that hour of complete overthrow and
shame. By
placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the
shoulders of
Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only
adversary
dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betayerls
of the
Fatherland to Justice. All this was inspired by the principle —
which is quite true
in itself — that in the big lie there is always a certain force
of credibility; because
the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in
the deeper
stata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily,
and thus in the
primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims
to the big lie than
the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in
little matters but would
be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never
come into their
heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe
that others
could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even
though the
facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their
minds, they will
still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be
some other
explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces
behind it, even
after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert
liars in this
world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These
people know
only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes.

From time immemorial, however, the Jews have known better than any
others how falsehood and calumny can be exploited.

Is not their very existence founded on one great lie, namely, that
they are a religious community, whereas in reality they are a race?

And what a race! One of the greatest thinkers that
mankind has produced has branded the Jews for all time with a
statement
which is profoundly and exactly true. He (Schopenhauer) called the
Jew “The
Great Master of Lies.” Those who do not realize the truth of that
statement, or
do not wish to believe it, will never be able to lend a hand in
helping Truth to
prevail.

Clearly, Hitler is not advocating the use of the “Big Lie,” and, far
>from creating it, he is in
fact is ascribing the “Big Lie” technique to the Jews and Marxists.
The “Big Lie” technique
is Hitler’s in the same fashion that Halley’s Comet is Halley’s — not
because either man was
the inventor, but rather because he was the discoverer.

Sources

Adolf Hitler. Mein Kampf. James Murphy, translator. London, New York,
Melbourne: Hurst
and Blackett Ltd; April 1942; page 134.

Or:

Page 211 of the Mannheim translation, London: Hutchinson; 1969.

Page 232 of the Houghton-Mifflin edition.

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We have two interesting points here. The important one is addressed
in the source. The second one is that Hitler firmly comes down on the
side that one can be an atheist Jew. He must have had rabbinical
training to have been so far ahead of his time.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 5 Sep 1996 06:34 MST, [email protected] (Danny
Mittleman) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes…
>>On 4 Sep 1996 05:31:12 GMT, [email protected] (Bob Beck) wrote:
>>
>>>tom moran ([email protected]) wrote:
>>>[blah blah blah]
>>
>>>: DON’T MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW YOUR SUPPORT
>>>: for Ken McVay, Director of the anti-hate Website, Nizkor, The
>>>: Holocaust Educational Resource, endorsed by the U.S. Holocaust Museum,
>>>: The Simon Wiesenthal Center and many other Institutions and Websites.
>>>: ——————————————————————–
>>
>>>Sure, sign me up. I mean, I’ve never met Ken McVay, but I like his
>>>website. (He’s obviously a good troll^H^H^H^H^H fisherman too, but living
>>>in Nanaimo, he should be!)
>>
>> It is great to read so many people support criminal copyright
>>violation and conspiract to same.
>>
>> Even Edeiken knows that the legislative history of “educational
>>purposes” does not support Nizkor but he publically posts a legal
>>opinion that such copyright violation is within the law.
>>
>> It is just one more thing to report the the Penn SC.

> What? You are making a threat to report him for offering a legal
> opinion that you deem to be wrong?

Most state bars have rather serious prohibitions against offering
legal opinions in absense of a full and complete knowledge of the
circumstances of the person (persons) in this case that it is being
offered to.

It is not a matter of my agreement. It is a matter of the propriety
of the propriety of giving opinions under these circumstances.

So far as I can see, he has already given opinions that have
encouraged people to admit to conspiracy to libel with McVay in the
event libel can be shown by McVay. Were it not for thier posts
wanting to be included in the lawsuit then they would likely never
have been named and even if named then conspiracy would have to have
ben separately proved but no longer.

So should anyone be caught in this they can recover their losses from
his because of his public legal opinions.

And that is why bar associations do not take kindly to such opinions.

> You really went downhill since Grynspan started in on you.

Grynspan wishes as do you.

Nothing you
> post anymore ever makes any sense (not that you were Shakespeare
> before). Your posts seem to be divided between gibberish and idle
> threats (this being an example of that latter). The rest of us learned
> not to be afraid of such things when the third grade bully was put in
> his place. You, somehow, never got that lesson, huh?

> Well, keep posting. Grynspan’s responses tearing you to shreads make
> amusing reading…

You keep reading them and keep posting about them. That will waste
your time while I concentrate on posting the idiocies of the
holohuggers. I will post just enough to you folks to keep you
interested and keep your limited time wasted.

I have 18 hours a day seven days a week if I wish.

I have not posted to McFly in at least a week and he is still ranting
about. It certainly keeps you folks from doing anything contructive.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Christian Revisionism Okay but for the Holocaust, “Hate”
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On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 12:40:34 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>
> For the last two years there has been considerable commentary
>appearing in main stream medias such as the L.A.Times, N.Y.Times,
>Newsweek and Time Magazines on the validity of the most central points
>of Christianity.

And as I have noted, only two of a series of six, on one series
indicating quite clearly that the Hebrews were never in Egypt and that
all the Abraham and Moses stories are clearly fantasy.

It is interesting the silence where there is clearly contrary evidence
to all the claims of Judaism while there is only the absense of
evidence regarding Christianity.

Any rational journalist would hit both birds with one stone. In fact,
as I pointed out, three birds including the muslims, with that one
stone.

Potshotting Christianity is child’s play and it is the middle peg.
Hitting muslims is simple even reading from the intro to the Koran,
they were pirates of the desert until they took up the sword of
conquest, not a religion at all but a long standing version or the LDS
or Scientologists.

But the foundation, Hebrews, Israelites, Judaism is left untouched.
It is apparently different in some manner even though it is such an
obvious subject. It is obvious due to the scientific information that
Genesis through Exodus are completely contrary to known fact from
numerous directions of research. (This is not to say that any of the
later books are any better, simply that they lack contrary evidence.)

Consider the world where Passover commemorates the suffering of the
Hebrews in land where they never were. Consider a world where Moses
never existed. Consider a world where Yahweh God did not requuire
ritual sexual mutilation for tribal membership for males. Consider a
world where there are not ten commandments and no mosaic law.

Consider that is the world we life in. All of the last paragraph are
no more than human created legend, superstition if you will.

Of course were one interested in simply going into the times of lack
of evidence, there were supposed to have been three kings of Israel.
There is possibly one reference to David but scholars are unsure.
There is no basis for any belief in any of the three other than that
one reference.

It is just one more human created religion no better than any other
human created religion and certainly rather worthless compared to the
Helenic Pantheon.

Of course the “christian reported” worst of it is not supported by
evidence either.

And I am just an observer, not a researcher. Imagine what someone
being paid to produce articles could turn up. But perhaps there is a
negative market for three birds with one stone.

We would expect at least an occasional “did Moses really part the Red
Sea?” article? What do we get but pure bullshit natural explanations
that are in fact bullshit. We do not get those articles.

And the reason is that once one says he did not part the Red Sea the
entire fictional narrative starts crumbling.

This is not to day that it is all the doing of Jews. In fact it is
idiot fundie chrisians who hold up the brunt of this charade. The
fundies can live with losing a miracle here and there but if that Red
Sea did not part it all goes to shit.

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On 4 Sep 1996 10:55:48 -0700, [email protected] (Ken McVay
OBC) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] (Danny Mittleman) wrote:

>> The Zionist Occupation Government (ZOG for short). I know we exist, I
>> even have the t-shirt to prove it!

>…while I, of course, has the photographs to prove it…
>which will, be warned, appear on my home pages soon; all ZOG
>agents will be identified, the plank will be shown, the
>sharks.

>You are not even in the Gang of Nine.

>But you knew that.

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How big is your gang of conspirators? It is good tht you note there
is a gang and are only quibbling over the number of members in the
conspiracy.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 6 Sep 1996 07:38:39 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>>
>> So these quotes served to condemn Streicher to death?
>>
>> Inge sits in the Jew doctor’s reception room. She has to wait a
>> long time. She looks through the magazines on the table. But she
>> is much too nervous even to read a few sentences. Again and again
>> she remembers her talk with her mother. And again and again her
>> mind dwells on the warnings of her B D M leader: ‘A German must
>> not consult a Jew doctor! And particularly not a German girl!
>> Many a girl who has gone to a Jew doctor to be cured has found
>> disease and disgrace !’ After entering the waiting-room, Inge had
>> an extraordinary experience. From the doctor’s consulting-room
>> she could hear the sound of crying. She heard the voice of a
>> young girl: ‘Doctor, doctor, leave me alone!’ Then she heard a man
>> laughing scornfully. And then all of a sudden, absolute silence.
>> Inge held her breath and listened. ‘What can this mean ?’ she
>> asked herself and her heart was pounding. Once again she thought
>> of her B D M leader’s warning. Inge has now been waiting for an
>> hour. She takes up the magazines again and tries to read. The
>> door opens. Inge looks up. There stands the Jew. She screams.
>> She’s so frightened, she drops the magazine. She jumps up in
>> terror. Her eyes stare into the Jewish doctor’s face. His face
>> is the face of a devil. In the middle of this devil’s face is a
>> huge crooked nose. Behind the spectacles two criminal eyes. And
>> the thick lips are grinning. A grin that says: ‘Now I’ve got you
>> at last, little German girl !’ The Jew approaches her. His fleshy
>> fingers stretch out for her. But now Inge has recovered her wits.
>> Before the Jew can grab hold of her, she slaps the Jew doctor’s
>> fat face. Then a jump to the door, and Inge runs breathlessly
>> down the stairs. She escapes breathlessly from the Jew house….”
>> (Noakes, 468-470)

>This is pornography? Is this what Streicher was condemned to death for?
>>By the way, I showed your documentation to a number of people, and most
>of them thought the writings were hilarious…hardly anything to be put to death for..
>Oh, well, that’s life in the big city.

To holohuggers, yes. They are a very perverted lot of sadists.

Consider how perverted a person has to be to get an erection over this
description as the holohuggers do.

An erection is the determinant of pornography, purient interest only
applies to men.

Consider how perverted holohuggers are that they are turned on by
those words. Can you really imagine it? Yet they are.

BTW: is not “she escapes breathlessly” not clear enough indiation
that this is pornography for sadists clear enough?

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 6 Sep 1996 04:15:31 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>
>> It is great to read so many people support criminal copyright
>> violation and conspiract to same.

> Violations of the copyright law are not criminal violations.

People who have followed your advice so far have

>> Even Edeiken knows that the legislative history of “educational
>> purposes” does not support Nizkor but he publically posts a legal
>> opinion that such copyright violation is within the law.

> This is an outright lie.

> I have never posted a legal opinion on copyright law. I have never
>given one privately. There is a simple reason for this. The Copyright Law was
>radically amended in 1988 to conform with the Berne Convention and I had not
>even read it until this morning.

> What I found is that you were lying. First, the “legistlative history” is not
>quite relevant. The Historical Notes (taken From Notes of Committee on the
>Judiciary, House report 94-1476 — the relevant legislative history) printed with the
>statute to explain it state:

> “Section 107 is intended to restate the present judicial doctrine of fair use, not to
>change, narrow, or enlarge it in any way.”

> Thus the judicial interpretation of “fair use” which was *never* restricted
>to classroom use is very relevant as legislative history.

> It should be noted that the Report also states ” . . . the endless variety of
>situations and combinations of circumstances that can rise in particular cases
>precludes the formulation of exact rules in the statute. The bill endorses the
>purpose and general scope of the judicial doctrine of fair use, but there is no
>disposition to freeze the doctrine in the statute, especially during a period of rapid
>technological change. Beyond a very broad statutory explanation of what is fair
>use is and some of the criteria applicable to it, the courts must be free to adapt the
>doctrine to particular situations on a case-by-case basis.”

> The report later states: “Although the works and uses to which the
>doctrine of fair use is applicable are as broad as the copyright law itself, most of the
>discussion of section 107 has centered around questions of classroom
>reproduction, particularly photocopying”

> It defines the scope of the section as being: “the comittee has not only
>adopted further amendments to section 107 but has also amended section 504 (c)
>to provide innocent teachers and other non-profit users of copyrighted material with
>broad insulation against unwarranted liability for infringement.”

> Perhaps it is me, but the normal English interpretation of the phrase
>”innocent teachers and other non-profit users” would indicate that the legislative
>history is *not* limited to classroom situations.

> I notice that you announce what the “legislative history” is but do not
>quote it so that others may see what you are talking about. In this case, of course,
>the “legislative history” would include the judicial precedents which it specifically
>embodies. A quick check of the annotations revealed no holding that fair use is
>limited, as you state, to classrooms. Several of the cases applied in to
>non-classroom situations.

> I would ask for some citations of the cases that support your
>interpretation, but that is a fruitless exercise. It is apparent that you do not know
>what you are talking about.

>
>> It is just one more thing to report the the Penn SC.

> Please do. Please tell them that I am an evil person because I quoted
>the legislative history that directly contradicts you ipse dixit statement. Your
>deposition on that point should be very humorous.

> I can’t wait.

> –YFE

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On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 13:30:56 +0000, Laurinda Stryker
wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:

>[snip]

>> Yes. It is as old as the old testiment and as new as “The Godfather”
>> that women and children are to be killed in such cultures. Are you
>> really imposing 1990s US culture on the rest of the world? Are you
>> really that stupid?

>To which cultures does your phrase ‘such cultures’ refer? The
>convention of noncombatant immunity is not a recent development in
>Western thought.

For example, cultures like Israel that punishes the family of the
suspect even before he is arrested whenever possible.

Or are you unaware of the details of the Qana shelling where refugees
were killed and the artillery behaved exactly as though it were their
deliberate intention to kill the people in the camp?

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 05 Sep 96 15:14:10, [email protected] (Alec Grynspan) wrote:

><*[*] [*] [Matt Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
><+[Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?] [Wednesday September 04 1996 >09:20][*][0]*>

> MG> I will see your claims and raise you

> MG> How many items of physical evidence are there of the
> MG> holocaust.

> MG> You provide one and I will deal with the rest.

>If you’re so certain that there are none, Matt, then you’ll ask me
>to Email you the docs, won’t you?

>All you need to do is ask.

>Then you’ll get it.

If it what you claim really existed you would post it here.

As you will not post it here, I am correct in my assertion.

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In applying those standards we have positive proof that Hillary
Clinton ordered the criminal review of Republican FBI files. The
prostitute of Dick Morris said so.
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Indignation of an Israeli Writer: Ari Shavit

Cana: 102 Faceless Dead

We killed 170 people in Lebanon, most of whom were refugees, during
the month of April,
1996. Many of them were women, old people and children. We killed 9
civilians, one a 2
year old girl and one, a centenarian, in Sahmour, on April 11th. We
killed 11 civilians,
including 7 children, in Nabatyeh, on April 18th. In the UN Camp in
Cana, we killed 102
people. We made sure to inflict death from a distance. In a very
secular manner, without the
archaic idea of sin, without the antediluvian worry to consider man in
the image of God,
and without the primitive proscription, “You shall not kill!”

Our solid alibi is that we are responsible for nothing, that the
responsibility falls on
Hezbollah. A most doubtful alibi. For when we decided to launch a
massive attack on the
civilian region of South Lebanon (while Israel ran no vital risk), we
decided, ipso facto, to
spill the blood of X number of civilians. When we decided to drive
half a million people out
of their homes and to shell those who remained behind (while in
Israel, we did not have one single victim), we decided, in fact, to
execute several dozen of
them. This (alibi) allowed us to make such cruel decisions without
seeing ourselves as
rotten.

We killed them because the increasingly wider gap between the
sacrosanct character that
we attribute to our own lives and the more limited character we give
to theirs, allowed us to
kill. We believe, in the most absolute manner, with the White House,
the Senate, the
Pentagon, and the New York Times on our side, that their lives do not
have the same
weight as ours. We are convinced that with Dimona (Israel’s atomic
site), Yad Vashem and
the Shoah Museum in our hand, we have the right to compel 400,000
people to evacuate
their homes in 8 hours. And we have the right, at the end of 8 hours,
to consider their
homes as military targets. And we reserve the right to rain 16,000
shells on their villages
and their populations. And we reserve the right to kill without any
guilt feelings.

But all this cannot alleviate the gravity of the massacre, Israeli
style, and our responsibility
for its execution. For it is perpetrated, in general, in places to
which we give free range to
immoderate violence.

The shelling of Cana was executed according to the rules, orders and
objectives of
operation, “Grapes of Wrath.” There is something wrong in these rules,
orders and
objectives. Something that is no longer human. Something that touches
on the criminal.

And all of us, without exception, were an integral part of this
machine. The public supported
the media, who supported the government, who supported the Chief of
Staff, who
supported the inquiry officer, who supported the officers, who
supported the soldiers who
fired the three shells that killed 102 in Cana.

Nothing can prevent Cana from becoming an integral part of our
biography. Because, after
Cana, we did not denounce the crime, we did not want to subject the
affair to the eyes of
the law, we merely wanted to deny the horror and go on with our
current affairs. That is how
Cana is part of ourselves — like one of the features of our face.

As the massacre perpetrated by Baruch Goldstein (in the Cave of the
Patriarchs on
Muslims while praying) and the crime committed by Ygal Amir (like the
reactions to them)
were manifestations of rotten seeds in the heart of the
national-religious culture, the
massacre of Cana is no less extreme a grain of rottenness in the heart
of secular Israeli
culture: its cynicism, brutality, instrumentalism, egocentrism of the
powerful; this tendency to
blur the frontier between good and evil, between permitted and
prohibited; this tendency
not to require justice, not to care about truth.

The manner in which contemporary Israel has functioned during and
after Cana shows that
modern, rational Israeli life conceals a terrifying aspect.

Ari Shavit/Haaretz/New York Times Syndication.
Ari Shavit is a writer and columnist of the Israeli newspaper,
Haaretz. He lives in
Jerusalem. (Translated from Hebrew in “Liberation” of May 21, 1996.)

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On Sat, 07 Sep 96 10:59:29 EST, [email protected] (Scott Erb)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says…

>>> We are agreed there was a camp. So what? There were camps in the
>US
>>> in WW II for Japanese-American citizens. And there are cetainly
>>> traces of insectides in them.
>>>
>>> No holocaust there.
>>>
>>> Next point.
>>
>>Sorry, you asked for one piece of physical evidence. You never said it had
>to
>>prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the Holocaust occurred.

>(I note that Matt didn’t answer the questions given to him).

>In science and history it is utterly impossible to provide definitive proof
>that ANYTHING happened. Even tapes and movies can be said to be forged, and
>when you get to events that weren’t taped, you rely on witnesses. When those
>witnesses are dead, you rely on writings. All of these things can be
>doubted.

>So, when someone says “prove there is a holocaust,” they are being wimps if
>they ask for scientific proof beyond a shadow of a doubt. They know that
>can’t exist for anything. Heck, one can’t really exist that the world exists
>outside the brain, this could all be an illusion.

Why do you not stick with the subject which is not now nor has it even
been proof. It has been AS YOU JUST READ physical evidence.

Changing the subject does not contribute to the discussion.

Where it stands now, there were internment camps. There were
internment camps in the US. If that is all there is to it, what is
all the shouting about?

>The question really is: given all the evidence, what conclusion is most
>reasonable and credible. Given all the reports from survivors, confessions
>by Nazis of what happened, records found, reports from liberators, evidence
>from the scene (the camps), and the fact that bodies were found and millions
>of people disappeared,

31 million people disappeared. So what?

it is unreasonable and incredible to doubt the
>holocaust.

All 31 million?

Anyone who does so, has a burden of proof to discredit the
>mountains of evidence which says the holocaust happened. Any attempt to
>shift the burden of proof to the other side is simply bad historography, and
>probably hides an agenda which has nothing to do with honestly assessing
>history.

Where is the physical evidence? There was none presented at
Nuremberg.

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On 4 Sep 1996 04:16:54 GMT, [email protected] (Bob Beck) wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:

>[re: Israeli “control” of White House, Senate etc]
>: The very absense of physical evidence is proof
>: that it is true.

>Very nicely put. May I quote you the next time a holocaust denier says or
>writes “but no-one ever found a _written order_ from Hitler to kill all
>the Jews”?

And the next time anyone demands proof Jews are conspiring to rule the
world it will be pointed out that the absense of eveidence is proof
that they are.

You holohuggers should get with one point of validity and stick with
it.

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www.babylonians.com

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On 5 Sep 1996 09:00:32 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA)
wrote:

>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.018
>Last-modified: 1993/03/24

> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])

Notice, holohugging suckers, that he has changed it from
[email protected]

Got that Alec G. Sucker extraordinaire? You were played for a fool by
this and have gotten complaints registered against your mailbombing up
to interNIC, which has responded that it takes your actions seriously.

And to the rest of your suckers, your god works for DOD and has
betrayed you, but you are not bright enough to see it.

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On Fri, 06 Sep 96 18:35:04 GMT, [email protected] (Nele
Abels) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>[…]
>> And when you do so, remember that I was the first to post the
>>comparison of holocaust to UFO abductions, RSCA, and witchcraft.

>Er, Mr. Giwer, he compared Holocaust-“REVISIONISM” with UFO abductions, RSCA,
>and witchcraft – a comparison which is quite justified since Holocaust-“revisionism” works
>only on the assumption of a gigantic conspiracy…
>[…]

Revisionism is based upon the non-existance of physical evidence for
all the claimed attrocities and the absurdity of the claims of the
witnesses, such as the women dancing naked and the maniacal laughter
right out of B horror movies and the witchcraft trials.

But I will give you one thing, the witchcraft trials were much more
detailed and thorough than the Nuremberg trials.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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On Sat, 7 Sep 1996 11:19:00, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Scott Erb) writes:

>>The question really is: given all the evidence, what conclusion is most
>>reasonable and credible. Given all the reports from survivors, confessions
>>by Nazis of what happened, records found, reports from liberators, evidence
>>from the scene (the camps), and the fact that bodies were found and millions
>>of people disappeared, it is unreasonable and incredible to doubt the
>>holocaust. Anyone who does so, has a burden of proof to discredit the
>>mountains of evidence which says the holocaust happened. Any attempt to
>>shift the burden of proof to the other side is simply bad historography, and
>>probably hides an agenda which has nothing to do with honestly assessing
>>history.

>Probably?!?

>With that quibble: well said.

And given no evidence of extermination by gassing and that the
Russians did not make any claims of it until after the war, I would
say if it very clear that the record should be for only what in fact
exists not for what people want to impose upon the physical evidence
that exists.

Otherwise we are into hearing maniacal laughter over the sound of
aircraft engines and other such physical impossibilities.

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On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 20:09:39 -0300, Keith Morrison
wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:

>> >> > Sure, Matty poo. You have bragged about your memberships in
>> >> >organizations
>> >
>> >> You are a liar. I have only mentioned in my years being a member of
>> >> the NRA and the Libertarian Party.
>>
>> > And the World Science Fiction Convention.
>>
>> There is no such organization. But you know that.

>Now why would Matt have ever attended a WorldCon? According to his
>own words, all science fiction is garbage.

I have attended two and I know how they are organized. There is no
such thing.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: GIWER SEES GENOCIDE AS LEGITIMATE ACT OF WAR (was Re: Ausrotten again)
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On Fri, 06 Sep 96 18:57:25 GMT, [email protected] (Nele
Abels) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>>>> Yes. It is as old as the old testiment and as new as “The Godfather”
>>>> that women and children are to be killed in such cultures. Are you
>>>> really imposing 1990s US culture on the rest of the world? Are you
>>>> really that stupid?

>>>To which cultures does your phrase ‘such cultures’ refer? The
>>>convention of noncombatant immunity is not a recent development in
>>>Western thought.

>> For example, cultures like Israel that punishes the family of the
>>suspect even before he is arrested whenever possible.
>[…]

>Yout said that it is A NORMAL ACT OF WAR TO KILL WOMEN AND CHILDREN so
>that there will be NOBODY LEFT to revenge. THIS IS GENOCIDE.

Excuse me, but in the case under discussion, there is no state of war.
In this case it is merely a peacetime exhibition of savagery.

>Would you mind to explain, exactly why you have problems believing the holocaust?

The complete and total lack of any physical evidence.

How many times do you have to read that before you comprehend it?

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On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 02:02:09 -0700, [email protected] (Rob Kowalewski)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 02:57:20 -0700, [email protected] (Rob Kowalewski)
>> wrote:
>
>> >Weaver resisted arrest and avoided prosecution. He hid behind his family
>> >when he knew the federal heat was on. He was extremely irresponsible in
>> >teaching his young’uns about firearms (such as neglecting to tell them
>> >”Don’t point guns at armed law enforcement officers”). If he wanted to
>> >stand and fight, who cares? But get the wife and minor kids out first, fer
>> >pete’s sake. He created the situation that played itself out most
>> >tragically.
>>
>> Lets see, the marshalls show up and, without identifying themselves,
>> start the shooting first the dog and then the son in the back killing
>> him and wounding a family friend who was with him, thinking they were
>> chasing down a deer.
>>
>> The hostage rescue team then shows up covertly and before announcing
>> their presense and demanding surrender opens fire killing his wife and
>> wounding him.
>>
>> And all of that started because of a BATF entrappment scheme and
>> falsly reporting that Weaver was a suspect in an armed bank robbery.
>>
>> Those are the most important points you have either wrong or
>> neglected.

>Does anything you just said contradict anything that I said?

Yes.

Weaver
>created the entire situation, both by action and inaction, and suffered
>severe consequences.

The BATF engaged in entrapment which is a criminal act.

If indeed the BATF did engage in entrapment (and I
>said IF), any reasonably adequate lawyer would have been able to get the
>charges punted. But he instead chose a course of defiance, resistance and
>flight while supposedly “caring” for his family.

The Weaver showed up in court on the day he was told to show up. Now
perhaps you can describe the defiance, resistance and flight that you
are talking about. I have yet to come across anything even remotely
fitting those terms.

>I don’t think anyone can accurately argue the facts of the incident unless
>they were there (and have no political ax to grind or career to protect).
>I know of no such person. My whole point originally dealt with the facts
>LEADING UP to the incident. And I see nothing in your post that
>successfully argues against what I said.

Leading up to the incident was a criminal act by the government and
his refusal to be recruited as a spy, the threat of the indictment
being the inducment to spy. Do you have anything else to add?

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Fri, 6 Sep 1996 07:52:04, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ursus Major) writes:

>>BUT NONE DARE CALL IT CENSORSHIP!

>None with any brains, George, because it isn’t. The folks at St. Martin’s —
>Tor, by the way, the publisher I’m working on a book for, is a subsidiary of
>them — has a reputation for publishing decent, well-researched, honest
>historical works, and — let’s face it — that doesn’t describe Irving.

Since the book is unpublished, how can you know? But then, since you
know, address the failings of this book. Take all the screens you
need.

>That’s not just a matter of opinion, George; Irving’s been proven a libeler in
>two separate incidents.

And what does libel have to do with this book? It appears another
example of attacking the messenger when all else fails.

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On Fri, 06 Sep 96 18:49:58 GMT, [email protected] (Nele
Abels) wrote:

>Yet another time Giwer insists on talking about things he knows nothing about.
>He hasn’t read the source, he doesn’t know history. Yet by all means he
>must babble on and on…

>[email protected]tcom.com (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>>>Himmler said in roughly these words: “Most of you have seen a thousand or
>>>more corpses side by side. This is hard, but one has to endure it and to stay
>>>morally clean”.

>>>A batallion of partisans on one spot? Strange guerilla warfare…

>> No. Combat troops had seen the thousand or so of their own and
>>others. So what is your point?

>Go and read the source. Read the discussion. Then come back and talk. Himmler does
>not speak about war casualities nor about battles. He speaks about people killed by
>non-combat troops. “Rblackmore”‘s point was that Himmler was speaking about
>killing partisans. I pointed out that you will hardly find hundreds of partisans on one
>spot, therefore his conclusion is wrong.

Even better. Partisans were subject to summary execution. Fighting
without a uniform was like that.

>>>And: “When a tank ditch has to be excavated by women and you say ‘I can’t
>>>do that, these women will die’ then I will say ‘If this tank ditch is not excavated
>>>than you will become the murderer of your own women and children’…”

>>>Warfare with partisans?

>> Actually it was a rule of war at the time that partisans could be
>>executed on site without a trial of any kind. But you know that.

>I addressed my comment to people who know the source not to idiotic trolls like you.
>Your wild speculations led you into the wrong direction. If you are interested in the
>context, go and read the source. (This is the guy who babbles about
>”scientific methods”??)

As I said, and you concur, they were partisans. We both agree they
were subject to summary executions.

>>>And: “We have to kill the women and children, or else in their offspring new
>>>ememies of the German people will rise.”

>>>Warfare with partisans???

>> Yes. It is as old as the old testiment and as new as “The Godfather”
>>that women and children are to be killed in such cultures. Are you
>>really imposing 1990s US culture on the rest of the world? Are you
>>really that stupid?

>As you see my email-adress on the top of this post, you will know that I have little
>reason to “impose 1990s US culture” on anybody. As a matter of fact, you will
>have to look hard to find civilized people in the world who share your view of
>murdering children and women being a legitimate act of war.

>But thank you very much for stating that exterminating a whole nation IS
>a legitimate act.

It has been done so many times in history it is difficult to consider
it illegitimate.

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All that matters is promoting the holocaust fantasies.

Peggy Tishman, a former president of New York’s Jewish Community
Relationship
Council, hosted a showing of the documentary film, Liberators at
Harlem’s Apollo Theatre a
few years ago, a film riddled with many factual errors, many of them
deliberate and
intentional [“The liberation that wasn’t,” The Globe and Mail, Feb. 6,
1993]. The purpose of
the film, among others, had been to improve the souring relations
between Jews and
Blacks in New York City. However, she defended the historical lie
alleging all-black U.S.
army units had been among the first to free the Jewish inmates at
Dachau and Buchenwald
in 1945 on the grounds that it was simply “good for the Holocaust.”
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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 16:48:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>Mr. Giwer, you’re a bigger moron than I ever thought possible. I NEVER
>said my son reads this Usenet group. I NEVER said he followed the
>discussion.
>
>But my som is not dumb as a tree, and so would resent any comparison
>between him and Tom Moron, who is.
>
>My son also (yes, at 9) resents people who make snap judgements about what
>autism is — just like you did.
>
>And once again, Mr. Giwer, my 9 year old has a higher IQ than you do. And
>is functionally literate, which you are not.

Sorry about that but it stands. Unless he is following this
conference with comprehension, it is impossible for him to resent
anything said in this conference.

>So go away. You have nothing better to do than pick on a 9 year old?

Do you have nothing better to do than use him to support your agenda?

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> I will tell you where you are wrong. The child is reported to be 9
>> years old. The child is reported to resent comments in this
>> conference. The child is reported to be following this conference to
>> the point of being able to resent remarks here.
>>
>> I would question that even a brilliant non-handicapped 9 year old
>> could follow this conference. And if he can, where are his posts?
>>
>> But what do we have here? A mother speaking for a handicapped child
>> claiming he “resents” something but can not type it in for himself.
>>
>> It is bullshit.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> =====
>>
>> There’s no business like Shoah Business
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>> Everything about it is appealing,
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>> No where can you get that happy feeling
>> Then when your stealing
>
>And by the way, STUPID, it’s “when you’re stealing.” You ARE.
>
>My GOD, you’re an idiot.

On the good side, I am at least capable of resenting such remarks
should I choose to do so.

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Newsmakers: Literal and Figurative

>From the TransCyberian Express

The 37-year-old German documentary film-maker Michael Born, according
to
an AP story [Feb. 15, 1996], owed his prolific output to the fact that
he
happened to be a literal rather than a figurative newsmaker.

For example, a 1994 Born documentary portrayed a group of Germans
performing a white-hooded Klansman’s cross-burning ritual allegedly
somewhere in Germany; a televised image that sent police investigators
fanning out across the land in search of a clandestine cell of
Teutonic
Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

As it turns out, the ritualistic “Klansmen” were nothing more than
pals of
Born’s mugging for the camera, cooking up a lurid tale they knew Born
could easily sell to the sensation-hungry German TV networks and its
audiences.

Born admits he faked this and other segments, but said in his defence
that
many other documentary film-makers did the same. “I am only a small
cog in
the machine,” he told the Bild am Sonntag newspaper. Born is now
facing
fraud charges that could net him up to 15 years in prison.

The documentary film-maker was, it seems, motivated by greed rather
than
politics; the 22 documentaries he cranked out between 1991 and 1995
having
earned him hundreds of thousands of dollars. Similar and, often worse,
hoaxes perpetrated on the Germans (and others, too, of course) in the
past, however, have been motivated by a political design.

Consider the 1960 New Year’s Day “swastika campaign” kicked off in
Cologne, West Germany, by Soviet agents who daubed a local synagogue
with
the slogan “Germans Demand That Jews Get Out.”

John Barron, a senior editor of the Reader’s Digest, in his book The
KGB–The World of the Soviet Secret Police, describes how the campaign
then exfoliated in all directions:

During the New Year’s weekend, swastikas and slogans were
daubed on synagogues and Jewish buildings in London, Oslo,
Vienna, Paris, Parma, Glasgow, Copenhagen, Stockholm, Milan,
Antwerp and New York. On January 3 (1960) further outbreaks
of anti-Semitism were reported in Melbourne, Manchester,
Athens and Perth, Australia. On January 6, more desecrations
occurred in Bogata, Buenos Aires, Milan, Oslo, Vienna and the
summer home of King Frederik IX of Denmark.

What is instructive about the KGB-inspired “swastika campaign” is how
the
Western media glibly and uncritically parroted the storyline of a
malevolent “resurgence of Nazism.” There was a general hysteria in
Western Europe and North America.

An outraged Carl Sandburg–the great American poet–advocated the
death
penalty for anyone caught painting swastikas.

In London, Lord Robert Boothby–dismayed by what seemed like a “rising
tide of Nazism”–said he intended to go to West Germany to investigate
the
situation there firsthand.

A German bishop, Otto Dibelius, insisted the outbreaks of
“anti-Semitism”
proved the German nation had not yet overcome its shameful past. And
so
on.

Meanwhile, West German businessmen, diplomats, and politicians were
given
a rough ride by the world community, notwithstanding their many and
abject
apologies and statements of self-abasement. Which was precisely what
the
Soviet apparatchiks had intended: to drive a wedge between West
Germany
and her allies in the West; to effect her moral isolation.

The anti-German smear operation even struck at targets inside Israel.
The
January 12, 1960, New York Daily News, reported: “Swastikas and
anti-Jewish slogans have appeared like a rash all over Israel during
the
past 48 hours…Forty swastikas, printed in red crayon, were found at
Petak Tikvah.”

The “swastika campaign” was and remains a prime example of a
successful
Soviet disinformation project and of the clever psychological warfare
waged by KGB agents against the gullible people of the Western world.

It also underscores the importance of being skeptical of sensational
breaking news stories. Don’t believe everything you read. Don’t
believe
everything you hear. Keep an open mind.

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From [email protected] Sun Sep 8 08:01:35 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 11:15:27 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> It will be like the man who was gassed six times and survived. They
>> can not let stories like that see the light of day.

>Really? Not see the light of day?
>
>Then how did YOU hear about it, Mr. Giwer?
>
>Obviously it *did* reach the light of day, didn’t it?

So did the story of Santa Claus and the toothfairy.

>Idiot.

Gullible holohugger. Lets tell it to, Sara, she’ll believe anything.

From [email protected] Sun Sep 8 08:01:36 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 18:12:28 GMT, [email protected] (CHRIST SODOMIZER)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) took a fat hit off a pipe and
>wrote:

>>>BUT NONE DARE CALL IT CENSORSHIP!

>>None with any brains, George, because it isn’t. The folks at St. Martin’s —
>>Tor, by the way, the publisher I’m working on a book for, is a subsidiary of
>>them — has a reputation for publishing decent, well-researched, honest
>>historical works, and — let’s face it — that doesn’t describe Irving.

>You didn’t address the question: coercion forced St. Martin’s to drop
>the book, which is censorship — the publication was intended but
>outside forces, afraid of the content, retributed.

When holohuggers do it, it is not coersion. It is for the good of the
world and it is done out of the goodness of their heart.

It would be interesting to try to mount a similar campaign against a
holohaust writer citing the nonsense in previous publications.

After all, only holohuggers can freely publish nonsense.

>>That’s not just a matter of opinion, George; Irving’s been proven a libeler in
>>two separate incidents.

>Which is entirely unrelated to what he said! Are you a bot? As your
>responses are one of two: 1) accusation and 2) “…is an idiot.”

When there is nothing else, attack the person.

>>The IHR is certainly still free to publish his book. Or CODOH. Or
>>Loompanics. Or you.

>Yes, we all understand the economic power structure well. What about
>major distribution and political interests – Jews – behaving like
>Nazis to censor material?

Bookstores carrying it would be threatened with violence and
occasionally firebombed. That, and painting swastikas on their own
buildings, are their favorite tactics.

>>Free country, nicht wahr?

>What does that mean to you, Joel?

To him it means Jewish approved thugs can do anything they want and
the police should look the other way. It sounds like the political
situation in 1920s Germany.

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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 16:34:32 GMT, [email protected] (Ursus Major)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ursus Major) writes:
>>
>>
>>>BUT NONE DARE CALL IT CENSORSHIP!
>>
>>None with any brains, George, because it isn’t. The folks at St. Martin’s —
>>Tor, by the way, the publisher I’m working on a book for, is a subsidiary of
>>them — has a reputation for publishing decent, well-researched, honest
>>historical works, and — let’s face it — that doesn’t describe Irving.
>>
>>That’s not just a matter of opinion, George; Irving’s been proven a libeler in
>>two separate incidents.
>>
>>The IHR is certainly still free to publish his book. Or CODOH. Or
>>Loompanics. Or you.
>>
>>And you’re still free to run around with an aluminum-foil-covered colander on
>>your head shouting about Zrays warping your brain.
>>
>>Free country, nicht wahr?

>Gee, Joel, I’m amazed to read that you call _Other Losses_ “a decent,
>well-researched honest historical work,” because it was published by
>St. Martin’s Press. That’s not how you (or the Nizkorites) generally
>refer to James Bacque’s work.

>And I noticed you preferred NOT to comment on the command issued by
>the High Priestess that “heretics” were to be denied ANY forum,
>especially, access to the mass-media.

>And I noticed you preferred NOT to comment on the fact that the Rus-
>sian government gave access to the photoplates of Goebbels’ diaries to
>Irving–and Irving alone–despite his being a “rank amateur.” Can any-
>one check them out–you know, like _Denying the Holocaust_ at any
>major library? And I noticed you preferred NOT to comment that Irving
>spent seven years working on deciphering the plates. What a dedicated
>amateur! And, of course, that you preferred NOT to comment that there
>was, indeed, a “done deal” about publishing the book–until the
>Thought Police arrived, and St. Martin’s was “persuaded to change
>its mind.” Narry a word about ANY of those FACTS–but its nice you’ve
>”revised” your opinion on Bacque’s book. Does that make you a
>Revisionist?

>Why, of course, St. Martin’s was “persuaded” to cancel a done-deal.
>It’s usually easy to persuade people to stay in business …

> BUT NONE DARE CALL IT CENSORSHIP!

>[and here’s how YOU can contact Joel for “Just the facts, ma’am!”]

When all else fails, attack the person. In fact the person first, it
saves having to do some real work.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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The Cry of a Deportee

A 1940 Gaullist veteran of the Free French Forces (FFL), I was
arrested in October, 1943,
and deported for 18 months to Buchenwald, then to the hell of Dora,
where thousands of
French deportees lost their lives in the underground factories of V1
and V2. I returned
disabled.

This is to tell you that we shared with our Jewish comrades all the
ordeals of the camps.
Having said that, I ask journalists with what right they deny veteran
deportees the right to
question theories elevated to truth, not by Jewish deportees but by
some Zionists?

What kind of society do we live in, where we do not have the right to
criticize, in any
manner, either Jews or Israelis or Zionists, without being
automatically accused of
anti-semitism or racism?

Let journalists know one thing: The vast majority of deportees in Nazi
camps were not
Jewish, even though the media give credence to the thesis that only
Jews were deported
and exterminated.

Let them know, too, that in France, there were about 250,000
deportees, of which about
25,000 were French Jews. Between 80,000 and 100,000 returned, of which
about 15,000
were Jews.

Nobody speaks about the non-Jewish deportees. Why? There is a lot of
talk about Shoah,
but nothing about the underground factories of V1 and V2 in Dora,
where thousands of
French deportees died of exhaustion and bad treatment. Dora, too, was
a camp of
extermination, by work and by hunger.

As for Auschwitz, it is true that about 800,000 Jews from all of
Europe perished after 1943,
but we must not forget that the first exterminated deportees were
400,000 Soviet soldiers,
about 150,000 gypsies, 500,000 to 600,000 Polish, and deportees of
other nationalities.

There is no talk about this, either. So why talk only about Jews’
sacrifices and conceal the
martyrdom of other deportees? They, too, have the right to memory.

As a senior deportee, Garaudy is saying the same thing, when he
maintains that
deportation of “non-Jews” was concealed and when he denounces the
manipulation of
numbers, from the official talk initially of about 4 million Jews
exterminated in Auschwitz,
now reduced to 1 million.

Is it “revisionist” or “negationist” or even antisemitic to maintain
this?

In the camps, there was no monopoly by any category. We were all equal
in the face of
suffering and death.

We cannot accept that deportation be monopolized by some and that
journalists who have
known neither deportation nor war be permitted such manipulation.

Gaston Pernot
Doctor of Law
Commander of the Legion of Honor, Paris
(“Le Figaro,” Friday, May 3, 1996)
=====

There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Then when your stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Sun Sep 8 08:01:39 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 6 Sep 1996 19:42:35 GMT, [email protected] (william c
anderson) wrote:

>Ursus Major ([email protected]) wrote:

>: Rose Valley’s retort:
>: >George, George, George — does this sort of stuff really fly in Alta Loma?
>: >
>: >Check out http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/pamphlets/pamphlets.html
>: >
>: >Or don’t. I’m sure YOU won’t find anything you’ll agree is anti-Semitic
>: >there, but I’m sure anybody sane would.
>:
>: That was not the gambit: YOU put up material from IHR which is anti-
>: Semitic. You claim they are. You show it … or go back to the Cabala!

>George, George, George–you really shouldn’t make antisemitic remarks
>while you’re trying to prove you’re not an antisemite.

The subject is the challenge for you to post something antisemitic
that is carried by the IHR. Why not address the challenge instead of
trying to change the subject? That is a rhetorical question of
course, as you know you can not address the subject.

To repeat, there is no antisemitic material on the IHR site or carried
by it.

But you know that.

From [email protected] Sun Sep 8 08:01:40 PDT 1996
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On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 01:48:30 GMT, [email protected] (Ursus Major)
wrote:

>[email protected] (william c anderson) wrote:

>>Ursus Major ([email protected]) wrote:
>>
>>: Rose Valley’s retort:
>>: >George, George, George — does this sort of stuff really fly in Alta Loma?
>>: >
>>: >Check out http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/pamphlets/pamphlets.html
>>: >
>>: >Or don’t. I’m sure YOU won’t find anything you’ll agree is anti-Semitic
>>: >there, but I’m sure anybody sane would.
>>:
>>: That was not the gambit: YOU put up material from IHR which is anti-
>>: Semitic. You claim they are. You show it … or go back to the Cabala!
>>
>>George, George, George–you really shouldn’t make antisemitic remarks
>>while you’re trying to prove you’re not an antisemite.

>What in the world is anti-Semitic about that? If one were a Muslim and
>the reference were to a Ouiga-board, or a Gypsy and it was the Tarot,
>would it be anything other than mere wry humor? Knock it off, you’ve
>obviously never read Patrick Dennis. A little humor, Willem,
>it will do wonders for you–almost like a high-fibre diet!

He was almost forced to address the issue of antisemitic material
carried by the IHR. Knowing there is no such material, he is
attempting to change the subject.

Back up and stick him with the issue.

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On 3 Sep 1996 15:50:26 GMT, [email protected] (william c
anderson) wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:

>: Yes, name calling, name calloing and namecalling. That being all you
>: holohuggers have going for you.

>And then, IN THE SAME POST:

>: You are very stupid. You are a holohugger. Those are redundant.

>Matt, you’re really, really amazing.

Thank you.

=====

There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Then when your stealing

From [email protected] Sun Sep 8 08:01:41 PDT 1996
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Subject: Saving Nuremberg has failed
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Here is the problem. The methods, procedures and witnesses at the
Nuremberg trials have been found wholly incredible now that they have
been re-examined without war time hysteria prevailing.

Historians have tried for some time to salvage the findings of these
trials but have failed. Gas chambers affirmed in court have
disappeared. Numbers gassed similarly affirmed have been summarily
reduced.

This failure has occurred after decades in some cases of historians
attempting to find support for the findings of those courts.

It is about time to trash all the findings of Nuremberg as victors
justice and start from scratch due to so many of the court findings of
special note having been found false.

=====

There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Then when your stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Sun Sep 8 08:01:42 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 09:24:17 -0400, Annie Alpert
wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:
>nothing important

>TURTHER QUESTIONS? Jeez! Lay off the bottle when you decide to
>elucidate on AR, will ya? Look in the phone book for the number of
>Alcoholics Anonymous. It’s free.

And I would suggest you look for a post-hysterectomy support group.
=====

There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Then when your stealing

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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 17:09:26 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:

>>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>>(Matt Giwer) wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 21:21:01 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>> >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Allan
>>> >Matthews) wrote:
>>>
>>> >[speaking of Tom Moron]
>>>
>>> >> Perhaps he’s autistic – many of them like to bang their heads against
>>a wall
>>> >> endlessly.
>>> >>
>
>>Sara
>>
>>–
>>”I am patient with stupidity, but not with those who are proud of it.”
>> Edith Sitwell

> Sara, how is you raise your son as a topic out here in a format
>like this?

It raises him to the status of a useful victim for purposes of her
line of emotional rhetoric. See? She has found a use for him.

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There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Then when your stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Sun Sep 8 08:01:43 PDT 1996
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Despite repeated requests the nearest bit of physical evidence for the
holocaust has been internment camps in Poland.

We have one holohugger claiming to have megs of physical evidence but
he refuses to post it publically (certainly adding to his credibility
only to holohuggers.)

We have the great Nizkor without the slightest bit of physical
evidence but despite being the holocaust junk cellar has not the
slightest bit of physical evidence.

There has yet to be the slighest physical evidence for the holocaust
presented here or on any of the holocaust sites, not a bit of it,
nothing.

Yet the holohuggers here continue to claim they have physical evidence
but they will not post it.

Bottom line, in case you have missed it, there is ZERO, NADA, ZILCH
physicla evidence for any holocaust.

Absent such evidence, it did not occur,

Case closed.
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There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
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From [email protected] Sun Sep 8 08:01:43 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 6 Sep 1996 03:15:49 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>
>> You claim that he described an operating gas chamber. You therefore
>> claim that the US Army was permitting a gas chamber to continue
>> operating for him to observe.
>
>> Are you really that stupid?

> Apparently you are. Dr. Larson never claimed to have seen it operation
>nor have I. It was there. It was in working condition. He saw it.

Excuse me, you claim to be an attorney but would accept this type of
testimony against your client?

This statement alone is enough for any prior client of yours to sue
you for malfeasance that you would accept such a thing against your
client.

It is amazing that anyone claiming to be an attroney in a capittal
case would accpet no evidence of a murder and no and no autopsy and
let their client be condemned despite the lack of same.

But then you are an attorney and you know your clients can not demand
evidence of dead bodies nor autopies and you know your client must be
condemned based upon testimony of murder without evidence of murder.

And we know that you would let surprise prosecution witnesses
introducing new testimony against your client stand wtihout objection.

And we know all of this and more because you support every procedure
of all of the war crimes tribunals.

Despite the fact that means you have no concept of law in this
country, it is good to see you support kangaroo courts against your
own clients.

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From [email protected] Sun Sep 8 08:01:44 PDT 1996
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On 7 Sep 1996 02:28:18 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>
>> There can be only one to be a member of. It is the one for the
>> particular convention. One would expect an attorney to understand the
>> legal niceties of how it is organized.

> Bzzzt! Having organized them I know differently. If you a member of the
>Worldcon you are a member of the World Science Fantasy Society as well.
>Should you really have been a member I suggest you check your program book.
>The constitution of the WSFS is printed in every edition.

As you should know, there is no, THE Worldcon. Each Worldcon is a
separate organization to which each person pays directly for
membership.

Now go back and read the thread so you find some way to distort what
was said so you can pretend you were right all along.

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On 6 Sep 1996 23:18 MST, [email protected] (Danny
Mittleman) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes…

>> Whois Ken McVay?

> Ken McVay is the Director of the Nizkor Project, which fights
> anti-semitism and Holocaust denial on the web.

>>McVay, Kenneth (KM1343) [email protected]
>> 462 – 1150 North Terminal Avenue
>> Nanaimo, BC V9S 5T8
>> CA
>> 1-604-382-0615

> As Giwer has been so kind to repeatedly post this post office box and
> advertise for contributions to the Nizkor Project, I would like to
> point out that while this is not the best address to use, you can send
> contributions to the Nizkor Project at this address. They will be
> properly received and placed to good use. You will receive a Canadian
> Tax receipt for your donation (which will work just fine in Canada no
> matter what Matt Giwer insists). If you desire a prompt response and a
> current copy of the Nizkor Newsletter, you might opt to use the correct
> Nizkor address which is:

> Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project
> 1461 Blanshard St.
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> If you wish to make an American contribution for an American tax
> receipt, please write your contribution to:

> “SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION – Nizkor Fund”

> and mail to:

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> Each time you see Giwer write this silly troll in place of a real
> answer to questions put to him, just remember he is a poster boy for
> why Nizkor exists. And if you would like confirmation of this
> assertion in Matt Giwer’s own words, please take a look at any of the
> following sites:

> https://nizkor.org/encouragements/
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> Thank you Matt for all you are doing towards keeping those
> contributions rolling in. We couldn’t do it without you.

On 3 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA)
wrote:

>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.016
>Last-modified: 1993/03/22

> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])

> [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]

> THE TRIAL OF THE EXECUTIONER OF SOBIBOR
> Shimon Kanz

>A jury of judges, prosecutors and defendors who arrived from
>Germany and headed by the Israeli judge Dr. Beniski, heard testimony for
>3 days at the court of Tel Aviv. The testimony was given by Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann who survived after the revolt and who had refused to go to
>Germany in order to testify at the trial of the executioners of Sobibor.
>Her testimony led to a loud and stubborn victory of the persecution
> over the defense. The more she continued in her descriptions of
>the hell she had experienced the more appeased the noise of the
>prosecutors and their questions and comments stopped and they lowered
>their heads.

>In the eyes of the Jewish judge, who himself had tasted the camps of
>Hitler, stood tears and his voice hardly found its way through throat.

Obviously not impartial but then this is Israel.

> SPECTACLES OF CRUELTY

>”Don’t ask me for exact dates”, said Mrs. Lichtmann to the provocating
>and torturing questions of the lawyers. “At that time no calender
>existed but on the other hand I remember the events of those days which
>I am describing because they will remain deeply rooted in my memory
>throughout my life.”

It appears that unlike the war crimes trials, the defense was
permitted a meaningful crossexamination.

>The awful depressed the mood and atmosphere of the courtroom. Horrow
>accompanied the route from Krakow from where the Germans had openly
>exiled her, through Miliz, Dubinki, Charaschow, and other places on the
>bloody road to Sobibor. Physical and mental pains, blows and
>humiliations. Her husband Mark Weismann was killed with stones during
>the work in the camp Postak.

“Stone him. Stone him.”

“Jehovah! Jehovah!”

Stoned? Who biblical. But maybe he really just inhaled.

>The strikes and blows of the SS-men and Ukrainians while passing the
>”Spalier” (their lines) before the entrance of the concentration points.

>Already at the beginning of her simple words the lips whispered
>automatically: “Is this possible?” From where did this woman with her
>delicate face and blue eyes, take the strength to endure these tortures?
>From where did she have the strength to tell again of her suffering?

She was a prostitute, professional witness and avoiding prosecution
for her treatment of women in the camps as were so many of the
witnesses.

> DEVILISH LAUGHTER DEAFENS THE SCREAMING OF THE DYING

Devilish laughter. Melodrama testified to in court. The evil always
laugh as devilishly as they can. Ming the Merciless did it too.

Is any adult to take this seriously? Of course not. Only holohuggers
believe this sort of crap.

>She recalls events of Jews struck and shot on Dobinko. In Dobinko the
>Jews were loaded on wagon trains that went to Charabishow.

>Planes flew over the train shooting with machine guns into the wagons.
>They lowered the planes so that we could see the faces of pilots.

And the pilots were also shooting at the drivers and the engine/horses
of these wagons, depending upon translation.

And
>when they stopped the shooting for a while we heard them laughing. The
>devilish laughter deafened the screaming of those laughing.

Devilish laughter heard from pilots in the air over the noise of the
engine. Real true holohugger fantasy life here. And they could see
the faces of pilots from inside closed wagons. This woman certainly
has to be paid for this performance.

>On the way somewhere near to Dubinko, they were taken out of the wagons
>and the men and women were forced to strip off their clothes and to
>begin dancing. The voice of Mrs. Lichtmann breaks off.

Ah, yes, dancing. Dancing to the devil’s tune no doubt. Very
efficient these Nazis.

>Her face reflects her feeling of tortures and inability to tell all. Her
>words shiver and only an echoe is heard of those awful days which
>had become from day to day more terrible.

A true whacko so far.

>They were kept on the ground only one day. It was fenced in with barbed
>wire and again they were loaded on the wagons, like cattle from the
>slaughter and brought to Sobibor. Usually the journey from Charobichow
>took several hours. But then it extended to eternity and no one,
>neither Mrs. Lichtmann nor someone else from the survivors, remembers
>how long they travelled in the closed wagons.

So who could remember how long they traveled in closed wagons when
they could remember the faces of the pilots from the closed wagons?
This person is truly psychotic.

>Nevertheless, the journey lasted for a few days and the German soldiers
>were amused by their victims. There on the station before Sobibor the
>Ukrainians broke into the wagons and plundered jewelry and those who did
>not succeed to take of the ring of their finger in time, had the ring
>taken off together with the finger… “You don’t need either the finger
>nor the ring any more” the wild Ukrainians consoled their victims! “Soon
>you will be broiled and soap will be made from you, dist”.

Certainly fingers were just pulled off.

Tell me the truth. This was written by Stephen King, right?

>The Polish farmers also waited in front of the entrance to Sobibor and
>shouted at the Jews in the transports. “Throw us your money, anyway it
>will not redeem you from death, you are going to the gas chamber.”

But it was a secret and the farmers could not know about it.

But here it is not a secret and they do know about it.

It is also an interesting speech. Maybe it translates to a chant.

You will note below that no one understood what was being said in the
same testimony.

> THE SPEECH TO THE TRANSPORTS

>The shouts of the Poles penetrated into the conscience of those weakened
>from hunger and thrust pains and agony and they started
>screaming and yelling thus deafening the camp.

>The SS-man Michel who was called by the camp inhabitants “the speaker”
>as he received the arrivals with a prepared speech, did not have what
> to say to the Polish Jews. Those were received with whips and
>gunshots. The Polish farmers also shouted at the Jews from Holland,
>Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Greece – but those did
>not understand the meaning of their shouts.

They did not understand the shouts. Then where did the translation of
the chant above come from? This witness?

>At their arrival to the camp they were welcomed with a speech by Michel:
>”You have to be disciplined. Strip off your clothes, make a nice bundle
>of them and attach them to the luggage, in order to recognize them
>immediately after the shower, because you will not receive other
>clothes here.”

Right, bundles of clothes. Every found a bundle of clothes. No one
has.

>Among the transport of 7,000 men with whom Ada Lichtmann arrived in the
>year 1942 and who went on the same day to the gas chamber only three
>women survived chosen to work in the laundry. With an indication of his
>finger the SS-commander took her out of the line and asked her for
>profession. When she answered that she was a teacher he and his
>assistants broke out in laughter: “We will teach you to be a
>laundress… Choose two other girls.” Her closest friends Bela Sobol and
>Sarka Katz were already beyond the gate on the way to the crematorium,
>but she managed to get them out of the line.

In other words, like the soap threat earlier, she has no knowledge of
what happened after that point. The gassing all her fantasy.

>The Jews believed the Germans and in astonishing order they packed their
>belongings and after an hour not even one was alive, only a few
>craftsmen were allowed to survive.

But she has no way of knowing.

> SHOUTS GOING UP TO THE SKY IN THE NIGHT

>We three organized the laundry in the camp. Until then the German
>officers too were dirty and lice-infected. In the course of time the
>laundry was enlarged and women from other transports arriving daily were
>distributed to us. The judges realized how Mrs. Lichtmann hesitates in
>her narration and talk to her kindly: “Talk, remember as much as you
>can”.

They organized a non-existant laudry and then that non-existant
laundry was expanded.

Note here that the judge leads the witness. A typical war crimes
tactic.

>The tension in the hall extended also to the memory of the woman. She
>feels the good eyes of Dr. Beinski on her and of the stenotypist, a
>Lieutenant in the police Mrs. Hela Koslowski who stops her tears while
>writing every word going out of her mouth.

>The Germans do not want to hear about what she knows to tell but what
>she has seen with her own eyes.

Who is it that does not want hearsay?

But how can she not tell about the
>shouts of women who arrived with the night transports.

That is a question and she can not tell because she did not witness
it. What in the hell does the author think witness means?

The heartbreaking
>shouts and screaming ceased for a moment and then once again beginning
>penetrating the limbs and soul. The SS-men boasted the next day that
>they raped the most beautiful women in front of the whole transport.

But she was not raped. Must have been real ugly.

>Generally the transports arrived during the day. Once on a hot summerday
>a transport arrived with thursty people as it had been for several
>days since they had tasted a drop of water. The SS-officer allowed some
>to go and fetch water, but there the “Unterscharfu”hrer” Michel was
>already waiting for them and he made them run to a dug uphole which
>served as a privy and forced them to smear their body and face with the
>excrement. And thus he brought them back to the thursty people of
>the transport. From another transport young men were forced to beat each
>other to death. The last one remaining from this terrible battle was
>shot by the Germans.

And all of this from what she did not witness. Quite amazing that
this is level of testimony that was introduced in capital trials.
Even more interesting that crossexamination was not permitted.

> HEROIC DEEDS IN SOBIBOR

>The stories of Mrs. Lichtmann and her husband whom she met in Sobibor
>after the revolt are horrifying.

>They tell how the semi-alive victims tried to maintain to the last
>moment not only their human faces but also their human soulds. They tell
>about women who tried to save their children and were desparately driven
>to perform heroic deeds: About young mothers who attempted with their
>own bodies to cover and to defend their children. They tell about the
>Jewish officer of the Spanish civil war who immediately after his
>arrival tried organizing a revolt. The Germans found out about it and
>they chose 72 men and sent them to the crematorium. This massacre was
>supervised by the “Oberscharfu”hrer” Frenzel whose trial is taking place
>at the present inferment. Returning from the scene of the murder he
>ordered the quick erection of a temporary stage out of some planks,
>called for the orchestra, gathered the women and told them to sing and
>dance.

Thank you, Steven Speilberg. Jewrassic Pork lives.

>This Frenzel once caught a boy red-handed, eating sardines, he gathered
>all the Jews from the barracks and in front of all he shot the child.

Eating sardines. Are they not Kosher?

>Sobibor did not become at once a concentration of plants and workshops.
>The camp gradually expanded, developed slowly, erecting all kind
>of workshops. There work was done only for the German officers and
>guards. Coats, dresses, furs were sewn there for them, their wives and
>mistresses. Very few Jews were sent to the forest to shop trees.
>Once the Jews of such a group attacked their guards, killed them and
>escaped. The Germans took revenge on other Jews. But all considered the
>heroism of the escaped as a miracle and dreamt of doing the same.

Giving the number of escapes from A-B and every camp this is old news.

> THE REBELLION COMMITTEE

>Sasha Pizurski who was brought to the camp with a group of prisoners of
>the Russian army immediately formed a committee to prepare a revolt. To
>this committee belonged also the heroes Leibl Feldhendler, Shaul
>Felischmann and others who strongly detested the Germans and had decided
>revenge.

Excuse me. It took people who detested to Germans to arrive to
organize this and yet the people there knew of 95%+ being gassed by
them?

>In the barracks weapons were started to appear: axes and knives. How
>dangerous this was! How much courage, cunning, patience you had to use
>in order to conceal this. Many efforst of the spirit and mind, will and
>courage had to be used to take guns, rifles, bullets from the
>storehouses. The participants of this operation were divided into
>groups. The plan was worked out to the smallest details: Every group
>and its duties – really imaginative tasks: Some had to assault the
>guardtowers where the guards sat with machineguns; some had to tempt
>the officers into coming into the workshops; others had to attack the
>guards that were wandering about. Special men had to cut off the
>telephone and electricity lines and tear down the barbed wires – to make
>passage ways.

But gassing most of the arrivals was not enough.

> THE MALIGNENT BLOOD OF THE SS-MEN IS SHED

>The revolt was fixed for October 14, 1943. 700 condemned to death
>enthusiastically took their fate into their own hands. Until the
>prearranged sign was given every group had performed its tasks well.
>Nevertheless things which had not been expected in advance happened.
>Guns started firing from both sides, axes and knives greedy for blood
>shone in the air and the whole camp changed into a battlefield. On this
>day, October 14, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon there began on the
>hellground of Sobibor the shedding of the malignent blood of the SS-men
>and their Ukrainian assistants. Those who had been so sure of themselves
>when millions of innocent women and children were led to death, seemed
>now anxious and inferior, they became confused and ran like mice into
>the trap looking for a hiding place.

Sobibor gasse millions. How can the world have missed this.

>The SS-men and the police pursued the escapers. They mobilized airplanes
>and the Polish farmers of the area to help them pursue the fleeing Jews.
>Only a few pitied the victims and did not hand them over to the Germans.
>Out of 700 escaping from Sobibor only about 30 survived. Also Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann and two of her friends, one of them a Polish woman called
>Alina Stern-Sofermann, who is living in Israel succeeded, with help of
>some young Poles, in arriving to the partisans in the woods of Parzew
>and continued their war against the German army. But until they reached
>the forest they wandered around day and night around the camp, living
>of tree leaves and poisonous mushrooms that so burned their
>intestines that they wished to die.

They did not live off of them.

>They lowered their eyes and one of them was turning his head from side
>to side replied: “No, we did not easily agree to accept such a mission.
>It was forced upon us officially”. And the second added: “Its a good
>thing that you did not agree to come to Germany,,,, so we were enabled
>to come to Israel, a wonderful journey.” One of the present in the hall
>heard this conversation said: “The blood of the Jews shed by the Germans
>flowed like a river. Don’t you think that by defending the murderers you
>emphasize the responsibility of the German people of what took place.”
>The two defenders ignoring the question avoided answering and the
>question remained unanswered.

Most likely they would have been shot for doing so. That is the way
the holocaust works.

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Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 09:28:04 -0800, [email protected]
(Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 18:32:57 -0800, [email protected]
>> (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>> >(Matt Giwer) wrote:
>>
>> >[other giwer nonsense deleted.]
>>
>> >> > Have you protested the fact that this regularly done?
>> >>
>> >> Yes you are a lying fake attorney.
>>
>> >The liar is you, you beady eyed little twit. If you had an inkling of how
>> >to make use of your internet connection, you could verify this in less
>> >than 60 seconds.
>>
>> How would you know? You have no ability to judge.

>It doesn’t require a judge to use a web browser and a search engine. Try
>reading what is written for once.

Silly little handles do not have the ability to judge. You in
particular do not.

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Everything about it is misleading
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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 18:24:56 GMT, [email protected] (Miloslav
Bilik) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>>>On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 21:29:53 GMT, [email protected] (Miloslav
>>>>Bilik) wrote:

>>>>>In breaf:: 1/ the CO2 was competing with the HCN if the walls were
>>>>>wet, so very little HCN could react with the walls;

>>>Ionic enough, huh ? H2CO3 is a stronger acid than HCN. That’s a
>>>competiting effect, since HCO3- can replace the CN- in the cyanide
>>>compounds.

>> Precisely but your interpretation si self-serving to the arugment you
>>wish were true.

>Do you mean that the H2CO3 is weaker than HCN, and that the cyanide
>compounds willn’t likely be replaced by carbonates ?

We have been over this. Look it up. You will learn again that CO2 is
not an acid, again.

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On 6 Sep 1996 22:57 MST, [email protected] (Danny
Mittleman) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes…
>>On 4 Sep 1996 07:01 MST, [email protected] (Danny
>>Mittleman) wrote:
>>
>>> We have below here a summary of the Matt Giwer philosphy of the world.
>>> To sum: “Anyone who doesn’t see the world exactly as Matt Giwer sees it
>>> is an idiot.” This philosophy works very well as all questions are
>>> answered by it. And as a further bonus, since no one sees the world
>>> exactly as Matt Giwer sees it, everone is an idiot. Except for Matt
>>> Giwer.
>>
>> Another holohugger defending belief in non-existent gods.

> Nope, its an atheistic remark. It doesn’t advocate a philosophy, it
> merely argues that the Giwer is God religion is illogical.

> —–

> Has Matt Giwer posted something that has you tweaked? Are you
> thinking of spending time and energy responding to his troll?

> Then consider what he said in Message-ID
> <[email protected]>:

> “You keep reading [my posts] and keep posting about them.
> That will waste your time while I concentrate on posting the
> idiocies of the holohuggers. I will post just enough to you
> folks to keep you interested and keep your limited time
> wasted. I have 18 hours a day seven days a week if I wish.”

> Mr. Giwer is, as he admits above, a troller whose only interest is in
> causing fights. While he can sound plausible, he has lied about what
> has been said in exchanges (while accusing others of lying), refused to
> document claims, pretended not to see posts which contain documented
> refutation of his claims (even when they have been emailed to him),
> engaged in actual libel, and generally conducted himself with such
> complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity that it seems
> counterproductive to take the time to read and respond to him.

> For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to
> http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt and the
> various subdirectories beneath this.

> But, in particular, reread the quote from him above and ask yourself,
> “do I really think it good use of my time to argue with this guy, or
> should I just ignore his outrageous statements?” If you feel you must
> respond so that the novice reader is not fooled by him, consider
> clipping this post and using it as your reply.

> daniel david mittleman
>===========================================================================
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On 3 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA)
wrote:

>Archive/File: places/poland/wlodawa/wlodawa.016
>Last-modified: 1993/03/22

> The Life and Fall of Wlodawa and Surroundings
> Translated by Shoshana Leszczynski
> (Transcribed by Ken McVay, [email protected])

> [Please refer to Wlodawa.001 for transcription comments]

> THE TRIAL OF THE EXECUTIONER OF SOBIBOR
> Shimon Kanz

>A jury of judges, prosecutors and defendors who arrived from
>Germany and headed by the Israeli judge Dr. Beniski, heard testimony for
>3 days at the court of Tel Aviv. The testimony was given by Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann who survived after the revolt and who had refused to go to
>Germany in order to testify at the trial of the executioners of Sobibor.
>Her testimony led to a loud and stubborn victory of the persecution
> over the defense. The more she continued in her descriptions of
>the hell she had experienced the more appeased the noise of the
>prosecutors and their questions and comments stopped and they lowered
>their heads.

>In the eyes of the Jewish judge, who himself had tasted the camps of
>Hitler, stood tears and his voice hardly found its way through throat.

Obviously not impartial but then this is Israel.

> SPECTACLES OF CRUELTY

>”Don’t ask me for exact dates”, said Mrs. Lichtmann to the provocating
>and torturing questions of the lawyers. “At that time no calender
>existed but on the other hand I remember the events of those days which
>I am describing because they will remain deeply rooted in my memory
>throughout my life.”

It appears that unlike the war crimes trials, the defense was
permitted a meaningful crossexamination.

>The awful depressed the mood and atmosphere of the courtroom. Horrow
>accompanied the route from Krakow from where the Germans had openly
>exiled her, through Miliz, Dubinki, Charaschow, and other places on the
>bloody road to Sobibor. Physical and mental pains, blows and
>humiliations. Her husband Mark Weismann was killed with stones during
>the work in the camp Postak.

“Stone him. Stone him.”

“Jehovah! Jehovah!”

Stoned? Who biblical. But maybe he really just inhaled.

>The strikes and blows of the SS-men and Ukrainians while passing the
>”Spalier” (their lines) before the entrance of the concentration points.

>Already at the beginning of her simple words the lips whispered
>automatically: “Is this possible?” From where did this woman with her
>delicate face and blue eyes, take the strength to endure these tortures?
>From where did she have the strength to tell again of her suffering?

She was a prostitute, professional witness and avoiding prosecution
for her treatment of women in the camps as were so many of the
witnesses.

> DEVILISH LAUGHTER DEAFENS THE SCREAMING OF THE DYING

Devilish laughter. Melodrama testified to in court. The evil always
laugh as devilishly as they can. Ming the Merciless did it too.

Is any adult to take this seriously? Of course not. Only holohuggers
believe this sort of crap.

>She recalls events of Jews struck and shot on Dobinko. In Dobinko the
>Jews were loaded on wagon trains that went to Charabishow.

>Planes flew over the train shooting with machine guns into the wagons.
>They lowered the planes so that we could see the faces of pilots.

And the pilots were also shooting at the drivers and the engine/horses
of these wagons, depending upon translation.

And
>when they stopped the shooting for a while we heard them laughing. The
>devilish laughter deafened the screaming of those laughing.

Devilish laughter heard from pilots in the air over the noise of the
engine. Real true holohugger fantasy life here. And they could see
the faces of pilots from inside closed wagons. This woman certainly
has to be paid for this performance.

>On the way somewhere near to Dubinko, they were taken out of the wagons
>and the men and women were forced to strip off their clothes and to
>begin dancing. The voice of Mrs. Lichtmann breaks off.

Ah, yes, dancing. Dancing to the devil’s tune no doubt. Very
efficient these Nazis.

>Her face reflects her feeling of tortures and inability to tell all. Her
>words shiver and only an echoe is heard of those awful days which
>had become from day to day more terrible.

A true whacko so far.

>They were kept on the ground only one day. It was fenced in with barbed
>wire and again they were loaded on the wagons, like cattle from the
>slaughter and brought to Sobibor. Usually the journey from Charobichow
>took several hours. But then it extended to eternity and no one,
>neither Mrs. Lichtmann nor someone else from the survivors, remembers
>how long they travelled in the closed wagons.

So who could remember how long they traveled in closed wagons when
they could remember the faces of the pilots from the closed wagons?
This person is truly psychotic.

>Nevertheless, the journey lasted for a few days and the German soldiers
>were amused by their victims. There on the station before Sobibor the
>Ukrainians broke into the wagons and plundered jewelry and those who did
>not succeed to take of the ring of their finger in time, had the ring
>taken off together with the finger… “You don’t need either the finger
>nor the ring any more” the wild Ukrainians consoled their victims! “Soon
>you will be broiled and soap will be made from you, dist”.

Certainly fingers were just pulled off.

Tell me the truth. This was written by Stephen King, right?

>The Polish farmers also waited in front of the entrance to Sobibor and
>shouted at the Jews in the transports. “Throw us your money, anyway it
>will not redeem you from death, you are going to the gas chamber.”

But it was a secret and the farmers could not know about it.

But here it is not a secret and they do know about it.

It is also an interesting speech. Maybe it translates to a chant.

You will note below that no one understood what was being said in the
same testimony.

> THE SPEECH TO THE TRANSPORTS

>The shouts of the Poles penetrated into the conscience of those weakened
>from hunger and thrust pains and agony and they started
>screaming and yelling thus deafening the camp.

>The SS-man Michel who was called by the camp inhabitants “the speaker”
>as he received the arrivals with a prepared speech, did not have what
> to say to the Polish Jews. Those were received with whips and
>gunshots. The Polish farmers also shouted at the Jews from Holland,
>Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Greece – but those did
>not understand the meaning of their shouts.

They did not understand the shouts. Then where did the translation of
the chant above come from? This witness?

>At their arrival to the camp they were welcomed with a speech by Michel:
>”You have to be disciplined. Strip off your clothes, make a nice bundle
>of them and attach them to the luggage, in order to recognize them
>immediately after the shower, because you will not receive other
>clothes here.”

Right, bundles of clothes. Every found a bundle of clothes. No one
has.

>Among the transport of 7,000 men with whom Ada Lichtmann arrived in the
>year 1942 and who went on the same day to the gas chamber only three
>women survived chosen to work in the laundry. With an indication of his
>finger the SS-commander took her out of the line and asked her for
>profession. When she answered that she was a teacher he and his
>assistants broke out in laughter: “We will teach you to be a
>laundress… Choose two other girls.” Her closest friends Bela Sobol and
>Sarka Katz were already beyond the gate on the way to the crematorium,
>but she managed to get them out of the line.

In other words, like the soap threat earlier, she has no knowledge of
what happened after that point. The gassing all her fantasy.

>The Jews believed the Germans and in astonishing order they packed their
>belongings and after an hour not even one was alive, only a few
>craftsmen were allowed to survive.

But she has no way of knowing.

> SHOUTS GOING UP TO THE SKY IN THE NIGHT

>We three organized the laundry in the camp. Until then the German
>officers too were dirty and lice-infected. In the course of time the
>laundry was enlarged and women from other transports arriving daily were
>distributed to us. The judges realized how Mrs. Lichtmann hesitates in
>her narration and talk to her kindly: “Talk, remember as much as you
>can”.

They organized a non-existant laudry and then that non-existant
laundry was expanded.

Note here that the judge leads the witness. A typical war crimes
tactic.

>The tension in the hall extended also to the memory of the woman. She
>feels the good eyes of Dr. Beinski on her and of the stenotypist, a
>Lieutenant in the police Mrs. Hela Koslowski who stops her tears while
>writing every word going out of her mouth.

>The Germans do not want to hear about what she knows to tell but what
>she has seen with her own eyes.

Who is it that does not want hearsay?

But how can she not tell about the
>shouts of women who arrived with the night transports.

That is a question and she can not tell because she did not witness
it. What in the hell does the author think witness means?

The heartbreaking
>shouts and screaming ceased for a moment and then once again beginning
>penetrating the limbs and soul. The SS-men boasted the next day that
>they raped the most beautiful women in front of the whole transport.

But she was not raped. Must have been real ugly.

>Generally the transports arrived during the day. Once on a hot summerday
>a transport arrived with thursty people as it had been for several
>days since they had tasted a drop of water. The SS-officer allowed some
>to go and fetch water, but there the “Unterscharfu”hrer” Michel was
>already waiting for them and he made them run to a dug uphole which
>served as a privy and forced them to smear their body and face with the
>excrement. And thus he brought them back to the thursty people of
>the transport. From another transport young men were forced to beat each
>other to death. The last one remaining from this terrible battle was
>shot by the Germans.

And all of this from what she did not witness. Quite amazing that
this is level of testimony that was introduced in capital trials.
Even more interesting that crossexamination was not permitted.

> HEROIC DEEDS IN SOBIBOR

>The stories of Mrs. Lichtmann and her husband whom she met in Sobibor
>after the revolt are horrifying.

>They tell how the semi-alive victims tried to maintain to the last
>moment not only their human faces but also their human soulds. They tell
>about women who tried to save their children and were desparately driven
>to perform heroic deeds: About young mothers who attempted with their
>own bodies to cover and to defend their children. They tell about the
>Jewish officer of the Spanish civil war who immediately after his
>arrival tried organizing a revolt. The Germans found out about it and
>they chose 72 men and sent them to the crematorium. This massacre was
>supervised by the “Oberscharfu”hrer” Frenzel whose trial is taking place
>at the present inferment. Returning from the scene of the murder he
>ordered the quick erection of a temporary stage out of some planks,
>called for the orchestra, gathered the women and told them to sing and
>dance.

Thank you, Steven Speilberg. Jewrassic Pork lives.

>This Frenzel once caught a boy red-handed, eating sardines, he gathered
>all the Jews from the barracks and in front of all he shot the child.

Eating sardines. Are they not Kosher?

>Sobibor did not become at once a concentration of plants and workshops.
>The camp gradually expanded, developed slowly, erecting all kind
>of workshops. There work was done only for the German officers and
>guards. Coats, dresses, furs were sewn there for them, their wives and
>mistresses. Very few Jews were sent to the forest to shop trees.
>Once the Jews of such a group attacked their guards, killed them and
>escaped. The Germans took revenge on other Jews. But all considered the
>heroism of the escaped as a miracle and dreamt of doing the same.

Giving the number of escapes from A-B and every camp this is old news.

> THE REBELLION COMMITTEE

>Sasha Pizurski who was brought to the camp with a group of prisoners of
>the Russian army immediately formed a committee to prepare a revolt. To
>this committee belonged also the heroes Leibl Feldhendler, Shaul
>Felischmann and others who strongly detested the Germans and had decided
>revenge.

Excuse me. It took people who detested to Germans to arrive to
organize this and yet the people there knew of 95%+ being gassed by
them?

>In the barracks weapons were started to appear: axes and knives. How
>dangerous this was! How much courage, cunning, patience you had to use
>in order to conceal this. Many efforst of the spirit and mind, will and
>courage had to be used to take guns, rifles, bullets from the
>storehouses. The participants of this operation were divided into
>groups. The plan was worked out to the smallest details: Every group
>and its duties – really imaginative tasks: Some had to assault the
>guardtowers where the guards sat with machineguns; some had to tempt
>the officers into coming into the workshops; others had to attack the
>guards that were wandering about. Special men had to cut off the
>telephone and electricity lines and tear down the barbed wires – to make
>passage ways.

But gassing most of the arrivals was not enough.

> THE MALIGNENT BLOOD OF THE SS-MEN IS SHED

>The revolt was fixed for October 14, 1943. 700 condemned to death
>enthusiastically took their fate into their own hands. Until the
>prearranged sign was given every group had performed its tasks well.
>Nevertheless things which had not been expected in advance happened.
>Guns started firing from both sides, axes and knives greedy for blood
>shone in the air and the whole camp changed into a battlefield. On this
>day, October 14, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon there began on the
>hellground of Sobibor the shedding of the malignent blood of the SS-men
>and their Ukrainian assistants. Those who had been so sure of themselves
>when millions of innocent women and children were led to death, seemed
>now anxious and inferior, they became confused and ran like mice into
>the trap looking for a hiding place.

Sobibor gasse millions. How can the world have missed this.

>The SS-men and the police pursued the escapers. They mobilized airplanes
>and the Polish farmers of the area to help them pursue the fleeing Jews.
>Only a few pitied the victims and did not hand them over to the Germans.
>Out of 700 escaping from Sobibor only about 30 survived. Also Mrs. Ada
>Lichtmann and two of her friends, one of them a Polish woman called
>Alina Stern-Sofermann, who is living in Israel succeeded, with help of
>some young Poles, in arriving to the partisans in the woods of Parzew
>and continued their war against the German army. But until they reached
>the forest they wandered around day and night around the camp, living
>of tree leaves and poisonous mushrooms that so burned their
>intestines that they wished to die.

They did not live off of them.

>They lowered their eyes and one of them was turning his head from side
>to side replied: “No, we did not easily agree to accept such a mission.
>It was forced upon us officially”. And the second added: “Its a good
>thing that you did not agree to come to Germany,,,, so we were enabled
>to come to Israel, a wonderful journey.” One of the present in the hall
>heard this conversation said: “The blood of the Jews shed by the Germans
>flowed like a river. Don’t you think that by defending the murderers you
>emphasize the responsibility of the German people of what took place.”
>The two defenders ignoring the question avoided answering and the
>question remained unanswered.

Most likely they would have been shot for doing so. That is the way
the holocaust works.

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From [email protected] Sun Sep 8 11:00:31 PDT 1996
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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 19:26:36 -0400, Annie Alpert
wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:
>> So where are the autopsey reports? Non-existant? You are correct, no
>> one can understand holohugger reality. That no one can produce them
>> proves they must exist.
>>
>You can’t autopsy a pile of ashes. There were no autopsies.

There are no piles of ashes either. Thousands of tons of ashes and
not found.

But as you recall, Holohuggers have claimed there are autopsey reports
to you all get together and get it straight whether or not there was
autopsey reports and then get back to me.

Fair enough?

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From [email protected] Sun Sep 8 11:00:32 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: It is libel to call me a nazi.
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 17:00:36 GMT
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On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 20:23:24 +0100, [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>>
>>> A very important feature in nazism is dictatorship
>>> as well a social darwinism. Without being an adherent of this it will be
>>> libel to call somebody a nazi.
>>
>> An American jury would laugh at this argument.

> In that case I would ask the jury the following the question: “Can Nazis
>be democratic? Since when have the nazis dropped the leadership principle
>(Fuehrerprinzip)? And since when have the nazis embraced the social welfare
>state as I do?”

>*You cannot be a nazi if you are not in favour of dictatorship*.

>>> There have also been several cases in DK
>>> where opponents of immigration have been called racists in public. A racist
>>> is defined as one who think that his race is superior to others and that
>>> one race has a natural right to rule over other races. Those anti-
>>> immigration people had never advocated such views, and they therefore won
>>> their cases.
>>
>> You, on the other hand, have advocated those views.
>>
> You are lying. I have never advocated the right of one race to rule
>other races. This would have meant that I am tolerating different races
>living within the same state which I certainly do not.

Holohuggers not only have a mission of supporting the least documented
event in history, they must also use it (as the only tool they have)
to discredit anyone who disagrees with them.

They have their own political agenda. As it is based upon emotions
and feeling rather than reason it is not possible to describe it in
any detail. But it does include, for the US at least, breaking down
every form of immigration control unless it applies to Germans over 65
years old.

To promote that agenda, and being unable to do so on a rational basis
as they have none, they promote with emotional tactics, in this case
calling people nazis. In the US they also use “isolationist” as it
refers to the US not having entered WW II earlier.

It would be desirable if some time these name callers could work out a
rational policy statement or set of objects that they think the US and
other countries should achieve. But as it is, at least in the US, it
is simply an excuse to call names of anyone they consider politically
conservative.

More correctly, they are an arm of one of our political parties, the
Democrats. The Democrats get a fairly consistent 90% of both the
Jewish and the Black vote in every presidential election. So not only
do they support Democrats but they use their name calling to attack
Republicans.

It is worse than the Christian right as, while they are not rational,
at least they spell out their objectives. Over here the holohuggers
hvae no political objectives other than to promote liberal Democrats.

To go further, liberal Democrats have a view of the economy that holds
business should be the means of promoting the political agenda of the
party. Using business for a political agenda is a rather familiar
concept to those who have looked at Italy and Germany pre-WW II.

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From [email protected] Sun Sep 8 11:56:19 PDT 1996
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On 7 Sep 1996 07:48:41 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>> Annie Alpert writes:
>> Matt Giwer wrote:
>> > So where are the autopsey reports? Non-existant? You are correct, no
>> > one can understand holohugger reality. That no one can produce them
>> > proves they must exist.
>> >
>> You can’t autopsy a pile of ashes. There were no autopsies.
>>
>>
>> —
>> Nizkor (USA) – An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
>> Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
>> European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
>> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>>
>>>>>
>You’re wrong, Miss Alpert. The claim is that autopsies were conducted at Dachau
>on a number of deceased inmates by a Dr. Larson,.

Are you willing to produce them?

That was a rhetorical question. Of course you are not.

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On 7 Sep 1996 07:46:19 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>Mike Curtis writes rblackmore:
>>
>> Another one of those “because I say” so guys, folks.

>Really? Where’s the evidence?
> >
>> >Nonetheless, the claim is that autopsies were conducted. Where are the reports?
>> >Don’t quote me people’s opinions, including the doctor’s.
>>
>> This guy refuses to understand reality folks.

>Are you dense, or what? I asked for copies of the written medical reports…I don’t want to
>hear your inane excuses, I want to view the reports which you say were written out at the >time.

>Is it that difficult? I think people are getting wise to the tactics of holocacaust “affirmation”.
>now…

Yes it is very difficult for them as they can not produce what did not
exist. Nor did any gas chamber as the Army admitted around 1955 or
so. These folks are very behind the times.

It is a rather common tactic when they are pushed into a corner (very
often) to pretend the other person does not understand.

>> This doesn’t fly here. This is what is called by lurkers as a typical
>> cop-out.

>Look who’s calling the kettle black! Where’s those autopsy reports?

You seek the GRAIL!!!

That must be the autopsey shaped beacon. Naughty Sousse.

He doesn’t have any grails, you silly english kinigits.

On second thought, lets not go to Auschwitz, it’s a very silly place.

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On 7 Sep 1996 08:09:04 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

> >
>> > > Brian Harmon writes:
>> > > , well, let me make a few points first:
>>
>> Numerous eyewitnesses, including Ho”ss, Broad, Kremer, Eichmann,
>> and Mu”ller all testified that mass gassing occurred at Auschwitz in
>> these gas chambers.

>Well, we can discuss the merits and demerits of their case another time.

Another common tactical attempt to divert the issue.

>> Aerial photos show a rather suspicious pit near one of the Kremas
>> during the summer of 1944, lending credence (snip)

>OK. What does this prove?

It proves nothing. I means that no one dug it up to see what it was
and IF it was even a feature rather than an artifact of the clouds or
ground cover.

We know that the Kremas often broke down and
>that typhus and epidemics were a constant scourge at Auschwitz. It was admitted
>that bodies needed to be burned out doors when the kremas were out of service.
>What else were they to do with them? We see prisoners marching in the direction
>of the ALLEGED gas chambers.

Actually we see no such thing. That interpretation of the aerial
photos was done by holohuggers. The problem is that from one photo to
another, they are moving in a zigzag and are at least jogging.

>> In this article, O’Keefe claims that Larson did not find any evidence of gassing.
>>
>> What isn’t mentioned is that mass gassing took place at camps inside Poland: Auschwitz, Treblinka, etc.
>> and not at Dachau, where Dr. Larson was.
>>
>> In Auschwitz’s case, the mass gassing stopped many months _before_ the soviets liberated the
> camp”

>No, the last gassings were alleged to have occurred at the end of October or early Nov., 1944,
>just a few months before the liberation of the camp.

Three months, you are course correct but then there are certainly
other stories claiming something entirely different.

>> > > Oh? So the piles of starved corpses found there died due to
>> > > ‘disease?’
>> >
>> > Yes. typhus and dysentery are “wasting diseases”.
>>
>> Are you honestly saying the Nazis did not have any responsibilty for the
>> many thousands of inmates they let die from these diseases?

>I think that responsibility is measured in degrees. It is not an easy question
>to address. Many Germans also died from typhus in the camps. Typhus is no
>respecter of persons.

Back to the non-existant autopsey reports, please.

>> You don’t think the fact that the inmates were starving to death had
>> anything to do with there susceptiblity to disease? Or the squalid conditions
>> they were forced to live under?

>Yes, of course. But conditions in the camp had only deteriorated in 1945.

>Mr. Harmon-your post is unconvincing, especially since you mention Mark Van Alstine.
>Look up his egregious error in Mark Alstine Rages, for one. There are more. And I believe
>you are in error concerning Larson. Auschwitz was liberated MONTHS before the liberation of Dachau.
>It is clear that the bodies he examined were from Dachau. You people all miss the point on hand and now
>I am of the opinion that this is done deliberately. Therefore, I will ask again: Where are the autopsy
>reports filled out by Larson, and where are the documents relating to the chemical tests undertaken
>which would prove the victims died from cyanide poisoning. .

And of course the bodies of those gassed in the non-existant gas
chamber had to have been still around from the last gassing to be
examined. The last time these holohuggers were making such claims
they would have had to have been laying around for some four months.

Of course it is possible to collect enough maggots to make the test
for cyanide but then he would have invented the technique when it was
first used in the late 1970s in the US.

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On 6 Sep 1996 12:51:32 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>> If and ONLY IF it is of the body being autopseied and there are no
>> such reports.

> Are you now denying that Dr. Larson conducted autopsies?

I said there are no such reports. Perhaps you can not read.

>> >When a qualified expert gives an opinion based on
>> >his own observation, it is evidence.
>>
>> Which of course he presents within the report. First in forensic
>> terms on the cover sheet and then in medical terms in the body of the
>> report.

> You must therefore read the report. Yu are the one challenging its
>conclusions. Go to work, Matty poo.

The reference is of course to the format of a pathologist’s report, oh
illiterate one.

Provide any such report by Larson showing cyanide or any source of
such reports.

But we all know you can not because there were never any such reports.

>> >Larson’s report was based upon numerous
>> >autopsies and inspections of cadavers which he performed. Cyanide
>poisoning
>> >is fairly easily determined by an expert
>
>> It is good to see you admit that there are no autopsey reports. None
>> were prepared or presented. None exist.

> I admit nothing of the kind. His report was presented and is part of
>the record.

That is your claim but it is unsupported by the existance of any such
report. They are like Dahlman’s police reports.

>> It is also good to see that an attorney such as yourself would be
>> suprised to see one in a criminal case.

> Why would I be surprised. Larson did a job of a forensic pathologist.

You have never read any of his reports so upon what grounds can you
make that claim?

>He was not dealing with a single case but several hundred. If his report was
>deficient then demonstrate that. The conclusions have been posted here. If
>you do not like them — disprove them.

As we know, anyone could claim anything about the Nazis during the
Nuremberg trials without having to prove it.

As we know, the US Army dropped the claim that there was ever a gas
chamber at Dachau in 1955.

As we know both Wiesel and Wiesenthal both agree there was never a gas
chamber at Dachau.

But we have what you folks claim are the conclusion which constitute
hearsay and do not reference autopsey reports.

But I guess the President would have said it would take to long to
introduce the reports into evidence so did not permit it.

Or perhaps the President simply ruled that his psychic powers let him
rule that gassing without a gas chamber was self evident and did not
have to be established.

Mayber Larson heard maniacal laughter and saw naked Jewish women
dancing at the full moon also.

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On 6 Sep 1996 12:45:57 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>> > The complete report was not posted here. I posted only the
>> >conclusions. The acutal report runs about 100 pages.
>
>> So post the rest since you have it.

> Sorry Matty poo. I don’t spam. If you want to see it look it up.

You are attempting to divert attention for the autopsey report does
not exist.

More precisely, that you are making it your claim about it.

>> Particularly since Elie Weisel and Simon Wiesenthal both support my
>> position, that you are wrong.

> Please post the particulars that those two people agree with you.

It has already been done. Look it up.

>> But even holohuggers agree in their wildest imaginations that the
>> gassing stopped months before the camp was liberated and that the
>> bodies were cremated after being gassed. (Even though it is only the
>> wildest-eyed holohuggers who still believe there was any gassing.)

> Please give me some references. You lie to frequently to trust your
>”memory.”

Post the autopsey reports are the subject of this thread. If you are
unwilling to participate in it, please do not post to it.

That is the subject of this discussion. Start your own thread if you
want to change the subject.

>> So there were no cadavers unless you are claiming he autopseyed
>> crematoria ashes but never wrote up a report of his methods. That is
>> quite the pity as it is beyond today’s forensic abilities to do that.
>> A great scientist, clear years before his time.

> Read his report.

>> That is because they were not conducted else there would be reports.

> There are no reports of the IMT trials?

There are no autopsey reports of death by cyanide in them.

>> And while we are at dishonest, you deleted the following description
>> of the kind of court you find up to the highest standards of
>> jurisprudence. As a highly educated attorney it is only a commentary
>> upon the decline of the justice system in the US that you find the
>> following to ber proper court procedure.

> I deleted it becasue it was nonsense fabricated by a denier. There was
>not a single reference to a portion of the record. I do not find it to be part of a court
>procedure that ever happened. I cannot, therefore, have approved of it.

The IMT reference was included.

Have another …

THIS IS YOUR IMT: The Timely DIstribution of Documents

THE PRESIDENT: Have you any objection to that procedure?

HERR BOEHM: Yes. The procedure as suggested is clear, but I think it
is
highly inadequate. I have as yet had no opportunity to get into my
hands
either of the two copies, which are said to be downstairs in Room 54,
maybe
because two copies are not sufficient for the purposes of 25 lawyers,
especially if these copies are placed in Room 54 at 10:30 in the
morning,
when the session starts at 10:00 o’clock. It would not even suffice
if these
two copies for 25 of us were placed into our room on the day before,
since it
is not possible for all of us to make satisfactory use of these two
copies.

IMT III, p. 600

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On 6 Sep 1996 12:39:33 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] writes:

>> > “‘Describing’ that which he ‘saw'” is exactly what an autopsy report is.
>> > Have you ever seen one? When a qualified expert gives an opinion based
>on
>> > his own observation, it is evidence. Larson’s report was based upon
>numerous
>> > autopsies and inspections of cadavers which he performed. Cyanide
>poisoning
>> > is fairly easily determined by an expert.

>> Yes, I have seen autopsy reports. And now, I’d like to see Larson’s.

> Then look it up.

They do not exist.

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On 6 Sep 1996 08:23:18 -0400, [email protected] (karl mamer) wrote:

>[email protected](Charles) writes:

>> >Actually, yes. It’s called a charitable donation tax credit.
>>
>> Ohhhhhhhhhhh! So Spielberg merely got a “charitable donation tax
>> credit”? (not!)

>No. Spielberg got nothing. A foundation got a grant. And what
>is Spielberg’s relation to that foundation?

Executive Director

>I find it very odd that you single out Spielberg yet
>you seem to ignore that many, many foundations that
>receive government funding and tax breaks are
>frequently chaired or run by fabulously rich people.

What do they have to do with the holocaust? The next time
Wiesenthal’s swills at the public trough it will get the same
treatment.

>> You silly obfuscatin’ fewl!

>Many organizations wouldn’t get donations if it wasn’t for a
>tax credit. What’s the difference between a $1,000,000 donation
>subsidized by a tax break or a straight out grant?

It takes popular support to get it by donations. The loss to the
treasury is at most $395,000 vice $1,000,000.

Precious
>little other than a few entries in red and black ink.

You are ignorant of how it works.

In
>many cases if there was not a registered, private charity to
>do the work, the government would end up haveing pick up
>the slack anyway.

Why would the government have to pick up the cost of his personal
boondoggle?

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On 6 Sep 1996 17:45:14 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>>On 5 Sep 1996 22:10:17 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:
>>> If anyone else made these claims, I would expect them to at least try
>>>to provide evidence. But with a track-record like his, Matt Giwer is the
>>>_last_ person I’d expect to even have evidence!
>> It has been posted several times. You know where to look it up.

> Where would that be, Matt? Even if you are just referring to DejaNews,
>it’s still a big site.

Tough shit. Holohuggers started telling me to look it up there. So
go find it.

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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 09:37:50 -0800, [email protected]
(Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 11:51:09 -0800, [email protected]
>> (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:

>[snip]

>> >Actually, you anti-semetic little nazi twit (not name calling – an
>> >’accurate description’), what he was doing is defending the right to
>> >believe in whatever a person choses to believe in, without having to
>> >suffer ridicule from beady-eyed, Hitler loving, little trolls (again, an
>> >accurate description) like your yourself.

>> You can believe whatever you want, in the US at least. However, that
>> does not mean your stupidity can not be pointed out in public. The
>> only protection in the US is against government prohibition of
>> beliefs. After that, the whackos are up for grabs.

>Freedom of Religion in the United States means the freedom to practice
>religion without having to suffer miscreants like yourself. That you would
>ridicule someone for their religious beliefs is telling of your innate
>childishness.

It means the freedom to practice without government interference and
nothing more. If you had ever read the US Constitution you would know
that. But then you were probably educated in a public school and
simply do not know any better.

After all, someone with such a silly handle can’t be all that bright.

>[snip]

>> Incoherent? Here it is repeated for you. Obviously it is your
>> english that is at fault.

>Yes incoherent, and, even though you are an apparent whiz with the english
>language, grammatically incorrect.

>[snip – incoherent and grammatically incorrect sig deleted]

Guess, oh silly handle

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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THIS IS YOUR IMT: Allowing for Adequate Rebuttal

SIR DAVID MAXWELL FYFE: The Defense are putting in about 300,000
affidavits which are being summarized in a number of general
affidavits. [….]

THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Laternser, the Tribunal has already said that it
intends only to listen to you for half a day, and unless you shorten
or unless you have in mind the shortening of your address it doesn’t
look as if you will be able to do it. [….] to deal with it in detail
like this is simply wasting our time. Anyhow, what I mean is that at
the end of half a day your address on these topics will cease.

DR LATERNSER: But Mr. President, I must have an opportunity of
answering the accusations of the Prosecution.

THE PRESIDENT: You are having that opportunity at the present moment
and you have had since 12 o’clock.

IMT XXI, pp. 200, 395f

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If the defense had been allowed to present a defense, perhaps there
would have been no holocaust. On the other hand, this is the basis
for the holocaust.

=====

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From [email protected] Sun Sep 8 17:32:21 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: WP Martyrs (was: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed…?)
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On 7 Sep 1996 02:23:43 -0700, [email protected] (Rich Graves)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Rob Kowalewski) writes:

> [responding to a troll]

>>Does anything you just said contradict anything that I said? Weaver
>>created the entire situation, both by action and inaction, and suffered
>>severe consequences. If indeed the BATF did engage in entrapment (and I
>>said IF), any reasonably adequate lawyer would have been able to get the
>>charges punted.

>In fact this is what happened, isn’t it? In the end, I mean.

>Given Mr. Weaver’s state of clinical paranoia, I don’t think it’s
>reasonable to have expected him to deal rationally with a lawyer.

Perhaps you could cite the psychiatrist’s report indicating clinical
paranoia? On the other hand you can simply admit you made up the
claim.

As to your claim of dealing rationally with a lawyer, he had no
problem dealing with Gerry Spense.

Do you know anything about what happened? So far, it appears you know
nothing of the case.

>Yes, Weaver fucked up. Personally, I’d hold him mostly responsible.

How can you hold him responsible when at the times of the deaths he
had no idea who was doing the killing? Neither the marshalls nor the
FBI identified themselves much less their intentions.

The murder of his wife was no more than a summary execution. And the
murder is still free.

>However, constitutionally, he has the right to fuck up, and the
>government, under the rule of law, doesn’t. I cannot defend the actions
>against him.

The murderers are still free.

>No, it’s not a fair argument. It’s not supposed to be. People, even
>seriously twisted and evil people like Weaver, have rights. Governments
>only have responsibilities.

Cite your evidence of “evil” before you contine.

From [email protected] Sun Sep 8 18:05:40 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 6 Sep 1996 13:28:26 -0700, [email protected] (Rich Graves)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>The System is yet strong, but it weakens increasingly the more multiracial
>>it gets, month by month, year by year. It weakens further as Whites of
>>specialized capability become increasingly conscious of their race’s
>>dissolution and genocide and of the unworkability and insanity of the
>>multiracial society. It weakens further from the populace’s increasingly
>>resents a government that is deliberately allowing the nation to be
>>invaded by floods of non-Whites of every shade. It weakens further due to
>>increasing non-White crime which hectors and terrorizes Whites in every
>>major city and increasingly in the suburbs, where sections that were once
>>White and safe, are now non-White and crime-filled.
>[…]
>>Modestly speaking, I would say the System does not snowball’s chance in
>>hell of continuing indefinitely.
>>
>>There will be White people, concerned for their precious and unsurpassed
>>gene pool and heritage, as well as for the simple future of their
>>children, and for future generations, who will be willing to do whatever
>>is necessary to help bring down a decaying System that is destroying them.
>> The time is not now, but the time will come.

>So, does anyone still believe that Kurt is Giwer? I have seen no
>indication that Giwer is a member of The Organization.

>Somebody’s been taking some trashy novel too seriously.

On the other hand I have heard over half of what he has said in one
form or another said in the popular media without any challenge or
approbrium.

However there were a minor change. The change being that white was
replaced by black or latino or some other “ethnic” group such as
Indians have a “right to their heritage and to preserve thei values.”

What differentiates me from him is that I hold that all rights are
equal regardless of anything else, that is no special rights or
considerations ever for any reason. He is claiming the same special
rights for whites as for other groups exemplified by those mentioned
above.

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From [email protected] Sun Sep 8 18:05:41 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 09:51:57 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> Yes, name calling, name calloing and namecalling. That being all you
>> holohuggers have going for you.
>
>An accusation and an illustration?

A statement of fact.

>Accuse them of name-calling then call them names?

In what manner is holohugger negative?

>> You are very stupid. You are a holohugger. Those are redundant.
>
>No, Mr. Giwer. YOU are the stupid one, for you don’t even know basic
>punctuation.

I’m not but you are. I haven’t heard that one since early
gradeschool.

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From [email protected] Sun Sep 8 20:05:29 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 17:28:42 GMT, [email protected] (Miloslav
Bilik) wrote:

>[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>>> Matt Giwer wrote:
>>> >
>>> > KURT GERSTEIN
>>> >
>>> > Kurt Gerstein is often referred to as a Holocaust “witness”;
>>however,
>>> > this is not correct. By “witness”,

>It’s a lot of lies. Gerstien wrote his six testimonies, all in
>Rottweil and in a semi-liberty. These testimonies were corroborated by
>Pfannenstiel for the most important part. Gerstein and Pfannenstiel
>are eyewitnesses for Belzec and Treblinka.

First it is unclear who wrote those six. All six disagree with each
other on both major and minor points. No one can corroborate six
different, conflicting accounts. He died shortly after and his body
was dumped into a mass grave amid stories of torture.

Other than that, nice try.

>Gertein commited suicid two months later after he wrote these
>testimonies.

Sounds like the sort of thing unrealiable witnesses did in the 40s.
Do you happen to have the autopsey report on it?

Since he died in a military prison, the corpse will be
>easily found: the habit is to bury the corpse in the prison itself.
>Then go to Cherche-Midi and ask for the common grave. It’s no a
>mystery.

Which of the bodies in the common grave is his?

>Third, the PS-1553 was accepted in Nuremberg. Even Butz admitt it.

Which version?

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From [email protected] Sun Sep 8 20:05:30 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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This guy really should have written for National Lampoon in the old
days.

======

So these quotes served to condemn Streicher to death?

Inge sits in the Jew doctor’s reception room. She has to
wait a long time. She looks through the magazines on the table.
But she is much too nervous even to read a few sentences. Again
and again she remembers her talk with her mother. And again and
again her mind dwells on the warnings of her B D M leader: ‘A
German must not consult a Jew doctor! And particularly not a
German girl! Many a girl who has gone to a Jew doctor to be cured
has found disease and disgrace!’

[B D M: Bondage, Discipline, Masochism, right? Have to work
something pornographic into this.]

After entering the waiting-room, Inge had an extraordinary
experience. From the doctor’s consulting-room she could hear the
sound of crying. She heard the voice of a young girl: ‘Doctor,
doctor, leave me alone!’ Then she heard a man laughing
scornfully. And then all of a sudden, absolute silence.

[Laughing just like those pilots straffing wagons of Jews. Not just
like, this is scornfully not manically.]

Inge held her breath and listened. ‘What can this mean ?’
she asked herself and her heart was pounding. Once again she
thought of her B D M leader’s warning. Inge has now been waiting
for an hour. She takes up the magazines again and tries to read.

The door opens. Inge looks up. There stands the Jew. She
screams.

She’s so frightened, she drops the magazine. She jumps up
in terror. Her eyes stare into the Jewish doctor’s face. His
face is the face of a devil. In the middle of this devil’s face
is a huge crooked nose. Behind the spectacles two criminal eyes.
And the thick lips are grinning. A grin that says: ‘Now I’ve got
you at last, little German girl!’

The Jew approaches her. His fleshy fingers stretch out for
her. But now Inge has recovered her wits. Before the Jew can
grab hold of her, she slaps the Jew doctor’s fat face. Then a
jump to the door, and Inge runs breathlessly down the stairs.
She escapes breathlessly from the Jew house….” (Noakes,
468-470)

=====

It is a great parody.
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Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
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There’s no business like Shoah business
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Everything about it is misleading
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From [email protected] Sun Sep 8 20:05:31 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Always believe Russina Sources
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On 7 Sep 1996 00:11:32 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>> Keith Morrison writes:
>> Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>> > >>Then there’s of course human lampshades,
>> >
>> > > Buzzer there. Found at Buchenwald by the Americans, confirmed by an
>> > >American army pathology laboratory as tanned human skin.
>> >
>> > In fact confirmed as goatskin and even as imitation leather, as you
>> > know. But they can not be retested, they vanished just like all the
>> > rest of the physical “evidence.”
>>
>> Goatskin and imitation leather with tattoos? Obviously goat herders
>> with a lot of time on their hands. Maybe they had 163 IQs, “retired” at
>> 46 and lived a little too long with their goats.
>>
>> —
>> Keith Morrison
>> [email protected]
>>
>>>>>
>And where are these exhibits today? Of course they are available for inspection
>today…..aren’t they? Are they? Do you mean people just have to take your word
>for it?

The shrunken heads of the “prisoners” were returned to the museum’s
South American exhibit from where they were borrowed.

The rest of the exhibits were found for what they really were and
disposed of as incriminating on the prosecution. It is better to have
them vanish so the analysis can be denied.

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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 09:42:12 -0800, [email protected]
(Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> >Me, too! Me, too! And can you sue a bunch of my friends, as well? Florida
>> >is so nice in January…
>>
>> I will forward your name also. BTW: Please provide a serving address
>>
>> ALL OF YOU.

>Sue me too you anti-semetic nazi loving creep. In fact, my address for
>service is, c/o the University of Victoria (Begbie Building), Victoria,
>British Columbia.

A serving address, not a mailing address. You do know the difference.
And a real name while you are at it.

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http to www.babylonians.com

From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 08:20:33 PDT 1996
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On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 13:49:32 -0400, Annie Alpert
wrote:

>Forgive me for reposting your entire note here, Ken, but I thought it
>bore repeating. I’ve had occasion to use the Nizkor web site for
>research recently and I was really impressed by the improvment in file
>accessability, response time and web design. Obviously you put any
>donations to good use!

I get my best laughs about the holocaust from that holohugger site.
And I think McVay’s DOD connection speaks volumes for who is really
funding the site. Remember his email address, as he posted is

[email protected]

and remember that 1B Systems can be found only on MILNET the US DOD
domain registry.

And his partner in this [email protected] sends mail bombs every time the
truth is told.

Holohuggers are such scum.
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On 7 Sep 1996 03:20:51 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Ursus Major) writes:
>

> Does “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” count. My copy
>has the imprint of the Noontide Press.

No. At this point it is no more than an historical curiosity like
Mein Kampf.

=====

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Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
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Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
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From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 08:20:34 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Earn satisfaction in your spare time
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As we all know, Nizkor violates copyright law by posting material
without permission and contrary to the meaning of quotation and
educational purposes.

So if you want to do something in your spare time, search Nizkor for
these violations and notify the publisher of the violations.
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From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 08:20:35 PDT 1996
Article: 63719 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 16:55:33 GMT, [email protected] (Ursus Major)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ursus Major) writes:
>>
>>
>>>[How YOU can contact Joel … if you’re not in his “kill” file:]
>>>>—————————————————————
>>>>http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
>>>>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0380973227/joelrosenbergA/
>>>>…and for the last bit of geekitry: to receive the latest version of my FAQ,
>>>>send me a message with the phrase “your FAQ” anywhere in the subject line.
>>
>>Even if you’re in my filter file, George — and you certainly are — and even
>>if you’re in my killfile (relax, George, being in my killfile wouldn’t
>>mean I was going to kill you — it just means that my newsreader would filter
>>out your messages) those URLs above are world-readable.

>The contents of your kill file are really your concern; however, it
>was rather absurd for you to send me personal e-mail with an addenum
>of “Don’t bother to respond: you’re in my kill-file, so I won’t be
>reading any answer. Sorry.”

>But then absurd things are your stock and trade, _n’est pas_?

He is a holohugger isn’t he?

From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 08:20:36 PDT 1996
Article: 63725 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 10:02:30 GMT
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On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 15:28:20 -0800, [email protected]
(Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:

>[big snip]

>> When I play poker, I never bluff.

>But when you talk aboout Jews or the Holocaust yoou lie, and you
>misrepresent the truth. In a recent e-mail, which was later posted to the
>Usenet, you made the
>following claim:

>”What do you say to the fact that many Jewish publications also quoted
>this 4,000,000 figure for YEARS until the research made primarily by
>revisionist scholars embarrassed the hell out of them. Why did the Simon
>Wiesenthal Center keep silent on this figure until recently? Could MONEY
>have anything to do with it?”

>I would like you to answer the following without prevarication:

>(1) why you made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding the SWC

It has a basis of course. THat is why Nizkor was and may still be
illegally soliciting contributions while carrying such insane stories
that claim “manical laughter” could be heard above aircraft engines,
that the faces of the pilots could be seen through closed wagons.

It is the same reason the tabloids publish articles about space aliens
trapped in refrigerators eating their own foot. It sells. Learn that
tabloid journalism sells.

>(2) where is your proof for the following:
> (a) that the SWC promoted the figure of 4 million knowing it was wrong

Are you saying that no one at the SWC can do simple arithmetic?
Unless you are saying that, you are saying the deliberately lied.

> (b) that this was done for money

It is called contributions. It pays the salaries of those employed.

>(3) when you can’t provide that proof revist part and supply the truth

>You will note, for the record, that I will continue to ask this question
>of you until I get a straight answer.

What gives you the idea that anyone believes you are able to accept
the truth? Anyone running around with such a stupid handle can’t be
all that bright in the first place.

Why is it you have to post as a coward?

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From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 08:20:37 PDT 1996
Article: 63729 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The importance of being “anti-semitic”
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 07:47:56 GMT
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On 7 Sep 1996 04:02:32 -0400, [email protected] (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>[email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Kurt
>Stele) writes:
>>>From: [email protected] (Kurt Stele)
>>>Subject: Re: The importance of being “anti-semitic”
>>>Date: 6 Sep 1996 21:16:56 -0400

>>>Annie Alpert wrote:

>>>>For the record, the USS Liberty was engaged in spyiny against our ally
>>>>(whether you like to admit it or not). The Liberty was a spy ship.
>>>>Israel is our ally. Read it and weep.

>>>Ah yes. Here is a jewish holocauster justifying the killing of 34 men
>for
>>>spying on “our ally” Israel.

>>Ah. So you’re saying that it’s a safe thing to take a ship — a spy
>ship,
>>no less — into a war zone?

>>Fascinating theory.

>>Stupid, but fascinating.

>ah yes. Another jewish holocauster justifying the deliberate murdering of
>34 American servicemen on the U.S.S. Liberty by Israelis.

>”It was unsafe” he says.

>Murdering 34 American servicemen is OK to Joel Rosenberg. It was
>justified.

Certainly. JR is a Jew first and nothing else. I certainly hope he
makes no pretension to being an American.

>If it is OK for Israelis to murder American servicemen to further Israeli
>interests, then it certainly was OK for the nazis to remove Jews to
>further theirs. The only difference is that the nazis were a lot nicer.

>It’s OK to murder American servicemen but it’s bad to criticize jews or
>question the Holocaust.

>Jews never do anything bad. If they do, it’s always somebody else’s
>fault.

Even traitorous slimy bastards like Pollard never do anything wrong.

>If anything happens to Jews, even so much as criticism, then it is “a
>deliberate intent to defame,” they moan. “Calculated anti-semitism.”
>”Deliberate hatred.”

Pollard deserves to be hated. Too bad the laws are not different so
he could have been summarily shot. Look at all the money we could
have saved on that jew traitor.

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From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 08:20:38 PDT 1996
Article: 63739 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The importance of being “anti-semitic”
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 07:32:11 GMT
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On 6 Sep 1996 21:16:56 -0400, [email protected] (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>Annie Alpert wrote:

>>For the record, the USS Liberty was engaged in spyiny against our ally
>>(whether you like to admit it or not). The Liberty was a spy ship.
>>Israel is our ally. Read it and weep.

>Ah yes. Here is a jewish holocauster justifying the killing of 34 men for
>spying on “our ally” Israel.

>The U.S.S Liberty servicemen spy and get killed and it is called an
>”accident” and rationalized: “it was a spy ship.” Jews spy and receive
>jail-time if that, amid cries of “anti-semitism.”

>And so the special treatment continues…

Actually what she is saying is that when any country spies upon
another their ships should be attack. That means the US still has the
right to take out half the Israeli military over the spying by that
traitorous Jew bastard Pollard.

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From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 08:20:39 PDT 1996
Article: 63741 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The importance of being “anti-semitic”
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 07:28:18 GMT
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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 19:38:44 -0400, Annie Alpert
wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:
>> ># or the deliberate jewish massacre of over a hundred U.S.
>> ># servicemen on the U.S.S. Liberty,
>>
>Danny Keren replied:
>> >34, not “over a hundred”. It is simply amazing that these
>> >nazi-boys will *always* lie.
>>
>>Kurt said: Here’s a holocauster complaining about, of all things, numerical
>> exagerations.
>> 34 dead, 171 casualties. A massacre all the same.
>> Where is the U.S.S. Liberty monument in Washington D.C.? Where is the
>> Shpielberg films about it?

>For the record, the USS Liberty was engaged in spyiny against our ally
>(whether you like to admit it or not). The Liberty was a spy ship.
>Israel is our ally. Read it and weep.

Allies do not murder each other.

The Israelis murdered US citizens and committed an act of war.

>> calling people “nazi” and “anti-semitic” because they question or
>> criticize jewish atrocities or exploitation isn’t going to make these
>> events any less obvious.
>>
>No dear — you were called anti-Semitic because you hate people who are
>Jewish. No other reason.

Jews so love to be hated. If they were not hated they would have
nothing going for them.

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Everything about it is misleading
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From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 08:20:40 PDT 1996
Article: 63742 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: for those who have any turther questions
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On 6 Sep 1996 22:53 MST, [email protected] (Danny
Mittleman) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes…
>> If anyone is curious about gryn.org …

> No, no one is.

> Has Matt Giwer posted something that has you tweaked? Are you
> thinking of spending time and energy responding to his troll?

> Then consider what he said in Message-ID
> <[email protected]>:

> “You keep reading [my posts] and keep posting about them.
> That will waste your time while I concentrate on posting the
> idiocies of the holohuggers. I will post just enough to you
> folks to keep you interested and keep your limited time
> wasted. I have 18 hours a day seven days a week if I wish.”

> Mr. Giwer is, as he admits above, a troller whose only interest is in
> causing fights. While he can sound plausible, he has lied about what
> has been said in exchanges (while accusing others of lying), refused to
> document claims, pretended not to see posts which contain documented
> refutation of his claims (even when they have been emailed to him),
> engaged in actual libel, and generally conducted himself with such
> complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity that it seems
> counterproductive to take the time to read and respond to him.

> For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to
> http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt and the
> various subdirectories beneath this.

> But, in particular, reread the quote from him above and ask yourself,
> “do I really think it good use of my time to argue with this guy, or
> should I just ignore his outrageous statements?” If you feel you must
> respond so that the novice reader is not fooled by him, consider
> clipping this post and using it as your reply.

Whois Ken McVay?

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From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 08:20:41 PDT 1996
Article: 63751 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Nazi Mass Murder In the Ukraine
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 11:52:08 GMT
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On Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:11:02 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>Letter from Inspector of Armaments in the Ukraine to General of
>Infantry, Thomas, December 2 1941
>[Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression – – Washington, U.S Govt. Print.
>Off., 1946, Vol V, pages 994-997]
>—————————————————————-
>The attitude of the Jewish population was anxious – obliging from
>the beginning. They tried to avoid everything that might displease
>the German administration.

Portraying Jews as helpless children is certainly antisemitic.

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From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 08:20:41 PDT 1996
Article: 63752 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING MY NEW WEB PAGE
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 12:06:27 GMT
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On Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:19:58, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>>From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
>>Subject: ANNOUNCING MY NEW WEB PAGE
>>Date: 7 Sep 1996 01:11:25 GMT

>>http to [deleted]

>Oh, stop the whining and pouting and announcing get on with this lawsuit —
>I’ve been working too hard and I’d like you to pay for the vacation.

I am not interested in the posts of a Jew who supports Jews murdering
Americans.

Is that clear?

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Everything about it is misleading
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From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 08:20:42 PDT 1996
Article: 63753 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: SHOES
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 12:00:45 GMT
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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 14:36:55 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

> L.A.Times, 9/5/96

>’Shoes Used to Take a Stand Against Gun Violence’

> “The shoes of more than 500 murder victims were lined up along
>the steps of a county building Wednesday, a grimm reminder of the gun
>violence takes on Los Angeles residents every year.
> The shoes donated by the relatives and friends of the victims,
>will be loaded onto a truck bound for Washington.
> Along with about 40,000 other pairs from murder victims across
>the country, they will be displayed in Washington on Sept.30 to draw
>attention to the staggering number of murder victims in the United
>States.
> The project is an idea borrowed from the Holocaust Museum in
>Washington …”
> ————————–

> Of who or where the idea originated from, the article does not say.

You are being too subtle for the holohuggers who organized it.

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From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 08:20:43 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: WP Martyrs (was: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed…?)
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 12:32:48 GMT
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On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 23:32:53 -0800, [email protected]
(Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>[big snip]

>> The BATF engaged in entrapment which is a criminal act.

>Wrong. Alleging entrapment is a defence to the crime. It is not a criminal act.

Sorry about that. Subborning the commission of a crime is a criminal
act.

Offering an inducement to commit a crime to a person who would not
otherwise have committed a crime is also a crime. The crime is called
subbornation.

And remember, the murderers are still free.

From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 08:20:44 PDT 1996
Article: 63764 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Does the “A-Team” get paid?
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 12:34:01 GMT
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On Sun, 08 Sep 1996 01:02:46 -0600, [email protected] (Bodhisattva)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 16:48:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> >And once again, Mr. Giwer, my 9 year old has a higher IQ than you do. And
>> >is functionally literate, which you are not.
>>
>> Sorry about that but it stands. Unless he is following this
>> conference with comprehension, it is impossible for him to resent
>> anything said in this conference.

>What a putz!

>Ms. Schwartz reiterates (for the third time, I believe) that her son,
>though autistic, is capable of comprehending discourse. This piece of
>trash known as Giwer *still* makes statements that ignore this fact.

>What a putz!

Dear idiot handle,

Fuck off.

Use your real name or go away, child.

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From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 08:20:45 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Surprise them with the evidence
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 15:35:48 GMT
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THIS IS YOUR IMT: The Timely DIstribution of Documents

THE PRESIDENT: Have you any objection to that procedure?

HERR BOEHM: Yes. The procedure as suggested is clear, but I think it
is
highly inadequate. I have as yet had no opportunity to get into my
hands
either of the two copies, which are said to be downstairs in Room 54,
maybe
because two copies are not sufficient for the purposes of 25 lawyers,
especially if these copies are placed in Room 54 at 10:30 in the
morning,
when the session starts at 10:00 o’clock. It would not even suffice
if these
two copies for 25 of us were placed into our room on the day before,
since it
is not possible for all of us to make satisfactory use of these two
copies.

IMT III, p. 600

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Never give the defense a fair chance ot see the evidence.

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From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 08:20:46 PDT 1996
Article: 63768 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Your IMT at work
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 15:32:55 GMT
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THIS IS YOUR IMT: The Provenance of Documents

DR STAHMER: I must object to the use of this document, since I cannot
recognize that it is genuine. I have not yet seen the original, and
the
doubts as to its being genuine are due to the fact that expressions
are used
which are most unusual in the German language. [….] For example,
the
expression *Gerichtlichkeiten* is used. This is an expression
completely
unusual and unknown in the German language and I cannot imagine that
an
official document originating from a Gauleiter could contain such a
word.

[….]

SIR DAVID MAXWELL-FYFE: This is a file copy which, to the best of my
knowledge, was captured at the office of the Gau Leader. It was sent
to us
by the British Army of the Rhine. I shall make inquiries about it,
but it
purports to be a file copy [….]

The PRESIDENT: Dr. Stahmer, I have the original document in my hands
now,
together with the certificate of an officer of the British Army
stating that
the document was delivered to him in the above capacity, in the
ordinary
course of official business, as the original of a document found in
German
records of files captured by military forces under the command of the
Supreme
Commander. Under these circumstances it is in exactly the same
position as
all the other captured documents.

IMT IX, p. 610

=====

Looks like all the IMT documents used strange words not found in the
normal usage of the German language, Vergasnungskeller is another
example.

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From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 08:20:47 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: GIWER: A true “revisionist”
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On Sun, 08 Sep 1996 14:07:30 -0600, [email protected] (Bodhisattva)
wrote:

Shitass, stupid handles are for immature children. Come back with a
real name before being considered seriously, coward.

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From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 08:20:47 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: DAVID IRVING, HISTORIAN, TO SPEAK IN NEWPORT BEACH, CA 7-SEPT
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On Sun, 8 Sep 1996 07:15:57, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>>From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
>>Subject: Re: DAVID IRVING, HISTORIAN, TO SPEAK IN NEWPORT BEACH, CA 7-SEPT
>>Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 05:19:49 GMT

>>On Fri, 6 Sep 1996 07:52:04, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg)
>>wrote:

>>>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ursus
>>Major) writes:

>>>>BUT NONE DARE CALL IT CENSORSHIP!

>>>None with any brains, George, because it isn’t. The folks at St. Martin’s —
>>>Tor, by the way, the publisher I’m working on a book for, is a subsidiary of
>>>them — has a reputation for publishing decent, well-researched, honest
>>>historical works, and — let’s face it — that doesn’t describe Irving.

>> Since the book is unpublished, how can you know?

>Oh, that’s easy: I can know that Irving doesn’t write decent, well-researched
>honest historical works because his previous work, on Dresden, for exampe has
>been thoroughly debunked — and because he’s been proven a libeler in two
>different court cases.

If you were honest and not a holohugger you would be willing to admit
otherwise.

As you are a holohugger, you are a willing and knowing liar.

But then lies are all that has been ever expected from a holohugger.

Liars are liars. Holohuggers are holohuggers. Liars are holohuggers
and vice versa.

It has been adequately demontrated even in this small microsm of the
real world. Wiesel’s “geysers of blood” as a most eggregious lie by
an obvious liar. Hearing maniacal laughter over fighter engines and
seeing their faces in closed wagons as more holohugger lying.

You folks are the clear liars by your own words.

And terminal idiots also.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Does the “A-Team” get paid?
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On Sun, 08 Sep 1996 09:44:14 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article ,
>[email protected] (Bodhisattva) wrote:

>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>> (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 16:48:48 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> > >And once again, Mr. Giwer, my 9 year old has a higher IQ than you do. And
>> > >is functionally literate, which you are not.
>> >
>> > Sorry about that but it stands. Unless he is following this
>> > conference with comprehension, it is impossible for him to resent
>> > anything said in this conference.
>>
>> What a putz!
>>
>Yep. Having no leg to stand on on the subject of revisionism, Mr. Giwer
>has now decided to attack me and my son.

You are the one who decided to use your son as part of this
discussion.

Obviously, you have no better use for him.

After all, he is only something that you are disgusted in having to
love.

But now you have a use for him to pay you back for all the effort he
has forced you to endure.

A typical Jew mother.

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From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 13:18:39 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: All mouth – No substance
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On 8 Sep 1996 16:01:04 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> Alexander Baron writes:

>> I wouldn’t mock the dead, even to a slimeball like Yale; I don’t dispute that he
>> lost some, maybe a lot, of relatives in the war, but I do take offence that he
>> appears to hold me responsible for it in some measure and smears me as
>sympathetic
>> to mass murder simply because I have the temerity to refuse to accept at face
>> value all the shit Jewish and other groups tell us we’re supposed to believe
>> of the wicked Nazis.

> Samples of Lyin’ Al’s appreciation of the nazis:

> 1. Hilter was not a racist

No more than Jews are racists.

Consider the vile bastard Pollack who deserves death instead of
imprisonment. The disgusting Jew traitor.

> 2. Kristallnacht was a spontaneous event rather than one instigated
>by the nazi party.

Pollard is a Jew traitor.

> 3. No one died during Kristallnacht.

Pollard is alive because of misdirected laws.

> 4. The continuation of WW II was the result of the rejection by
>Churchill of Hitler’s “magnanimous” offer of peace terms.

Pollard is a jew traitor who worked for the traitorous state of
Israel.

No one supporting Pollard is an American, even YFE.

YFE was never considered an American.

YFE is only a Jew. Being a Jew supporting Israeli murder is
unamerican.

Anyone doing so is deserving of only a speedy trial and a slow
exectuion. YFE and Pollard are in the same camp.

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From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 13:18:40 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Always believe Russina Sources
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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996 06:58:31 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>[About the two shrunken heads of Buchenwald inmates (see also
> on Nizkor’s site, …/camps/buchenwald/images)]

># The shrunken heads of the “prisoners” were returned to the
># museum’s South American exhibit from where they were borrowed.
>
>Will you do us a favor and post the source for this amazing
>claim, Matty?

It has been posted.

Look it up in DejaNews a you and your fellow hollohuggers say.

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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Jewrassic Pork
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As reported by CNN Headline News on 9.9.96 under earnings of
entertainers,

Stephen Spielberg was number two for 1995 at $150 million dollars in
earnings.

But… in 1996 he “needed” $1 million in US taxpayers dollars to
support his pet project.

Jewrassic Pork never dies, it just gains in chutzpah. 6.6 tenths of
one percent of his prior year’s earnings needed to legislated by the
US taxpayer for this obviously fraudulent project.

It is fraudulent because anyone knowing the way memory works there is
no way anything collected can be of value.

But the real point of this is to give US Government credibility to
this obvious fraud.

It is in fact lending the “credibility” of the US government this
obvious fraud upon the world.

Jewrassic Pork lives!

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From [email protected] Mon Sep 9 13:18:41 PDT 1996
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On 9 Sep 1996 10:16:52 GMT, [email protected] (Richard
Schultz) wrote:

>Capt. Peter Peachfuzz ([email protected]) wrote:

>: We have been over this. Look it up. You will learn again that CO2 is
>: not an acid, again.

>We have indeed been over this, and everyone except you (including, as
>I posted, authors of chemistry textbooks) agrees that CO2 is an acid.

>I pointed out that in the reaction CaO + CO2 -> CaCO3, CO2 is acting

Plus H2O, idiot.

Good to see you are back from vacation to continue to make an idiot of
your degree program.

Holohuggers are liars, you are no exception.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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On Sun, 08 Sep 1996 13:31:42 -0800, [email protected]
(Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>[snip]

>> >> >Actually, you anti-semetic little nazi twit (not name calling – an
>> >> >’accurate description’), what he was doing is defending the right to
>> >> >believe in whatever a person choses to believe in, without having to
>> >> >suffer ridicule from beady-eyed, Hitler loving, little trolls (again, an
>> >> >accurate description) like your yourself.
>>
>> >> You can believe whatever you want, in the US at least. However, that
>> >> does not mean your stupidity can not be pointed out in public. The
>> >> only protection in the US is against government prohibition of
>> >> beliefs. After that, the whackos are up for grabs.
>>
>> >Freedom of Religion in the United States means the freedom to practice
>> >religion without having to suffer miscreants like yourself. That you would
>> >ridicule someone for their religious beliefs is telling of your innate
>> >childishness.
>>
>> It means the freedom to practice without government interference and
>> nothing more. If you had ever read the US Constitution you would know
>> that. But then you were probably educated in a public school and
>> simply do not know any better.

>The US Constitution and the freedoms granted therein

What an idiot, illiterate shit. The Constituion grants no freedoms.
It protects rights from the government. Learn to read, dumb shit.

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On Sat, 7 Sep 1996 10:58:32 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

># Bottom line, in case you have missed it, there is
># ZERO, NADA, ZILCHphysicla evidence for any holocaust.

>A huge number of corpses were discovered after the war,
>in the camps. The photographs are there on the Nizkor
>site, and in numerous other sources.

So there were, going by corpses, about 40,000 total deaths over 5
years. So what kind of holocaust is that considering there is no way
to tell if they were Jewish?

>Some of the gas chambers are still there, with cyanide
>traces on their walls.

There were buildings with cyanide traces as is to be expected. There
are no gas chambers.

>A huge amount of human remains were discovered in some
>camps, as Treblinka and Maidanek.

No there were not. The only thing posted claimed that human flesh and
hair remained underground for years without deterioration and even not
not in enough quantity to matter. We have been over this. You should
have paid attention.

>The documents are there. Scans of some are posted on
>Nizkor’s site, and in numerous other sources.

Not a one refers to this, as you know.

>The photographs are there. Scans of some are posted on
>Nizkor’s site, and in numerous other sources.

Not a one showing a cause of death.

>But for a person like Giwer, it is still not clear. But
>then, Giwer’s a rather odd person. See below.

I know a person insistiing upon physical evidence appears strange to a
knee-jerk conditioned holohugger incapable of rational thought when it
comes to part of his infantile religion.

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On Sun, 08 Sep 1996 09:31:52 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> On Fri, 06 Sep 96 18:57:25 GMT, [email protected] (Nele
>> Abels) wrote:
>>
>> >Would you mind to explain, exactly why you have problems believing the
>holocaust?
>>
>> The complete and total lack of any physical evidence.
>>
>> How many times do you have to read that before you comprehend it?

>But Mr. Giwer,
>
>YOU are the one who said:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>The very absense of physical evidence is proof that it is true.

>
>Are we to assume, therefore, that you are… umm… could be… maybe…

>LYING?!?!?!?!?!

I frankly did not think there would be anyone stupid enough to be
suckered in to that one. Maybe autism runs in the family.

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On Sun, 08 Sep 1996 15:33:50 -0800, [email protected] (Kathleen
Mulhern) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>*On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 11:15:27 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>*
>*>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>*>(Matt Giwer) wrote:
>*
>*
>*>> It will be like the man who was gassed six times and survived. They
>*>> can not let stories like that see the light of day.
>*
>*>Really? Not see the light of day?
>*>
>*>Then how did YOU hear about it, Mr. Giwer?
>*>
>*>Obviously it *did* reach the light of day, didn’t it?
>*
>* So did the story of Santa Claus and the toothfairy.

>You still have yet to provide specific cites for this claim, giwer.

I do not have to. It was first provided by a holohiugger.
Holohuggers say look it up on DejaNews. You do the same.

Your
>”answer” of: “I have posted it many times,” does not hold up, as you
>should know. Seeing as how your claim of a PhD in physics

You must be thinking of Danny “the fraud” Keren. I have never claimed
a PhD. You should be more familar with the NG before you jump in.

seems to make
>you think you’re an expert in history, you obviously realize that you need
>actual documentation to go along with such claims. Not just pat answers
>like, “I’ve already posted it.” By answering as such, it seems to uncover
>your fear that perhaps your claim is not valid.

As I have said, I am not going to backtrack for newcomers. Even the
old-timers play this game, brining up what has gone before long after
it has been answered against them. So get used to it.

This is not a conference for newcomers. You can look to the
revisionist web sites for summaries on the presentations.

>By the way, did you say there were no gas chambers at Aushwitz?

No, illiterate. I said there was no physical evidence of any.

I just
>stumbled upon some blue prints the other day of the concentration camp at
>Aushwitz with the gas chambers clearly marked. Stay tuned for cites, as
>I’m going to pick up the literature today.

If you did, post them. You will be the first. Even Nizkor has no
such thing.

>*>Idiot.
>*
>* Gullible holohugger. Lets tell it to, Sara, she’ll believe anything.

>a) please explain just what a “holohugger” is. I’m not familiar with that
>term,

As a newcomer you would not be. It is a person who can not consider
the possibility that there was not massive execution of gassing.

and b) please explain the second part of your sentance. I’m finding
>it difficult to decifer the sentance due to your misuse of puncuation and
>apparent misspelling of words. Do you mean, “Let’s tell it too, Sara…
>she’ll believe anything,” or “Let’s tell it to Sara, she’ll believe
>anything?” Thought you had a PhD, giwer.

Your idiot pretensions are ignored.

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On Sat, 7 Sep 1996 08:33:36, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:

>>>>>For the record, the USS Liberty was engaged in spyiny against our ally
>>>>>(whether you like to admit it or not). The Liberty was a spy ship.
>>>>>Israel is our ally. Read it and weep.

>>>>Ah yes. Here is a jewish holocauster justifying the killing of 34 men
>>for
>>>>spying on “our ally” Israel.

>>>Ah. So you’re saying that it’s a safe thing to take a ship — a spy
>>ship,
>>>no less — into a war zone?

>>>Fascinating theory.

>>>Stupid, but fascinating.

>>ah yes. Another jewish holocauster justifying the deliberate murdering of
>>34 American servicemen on the U.S.S. Liberty by Israelis.

>And here’s Kurt Stele, saying that it’s supposed to be safe for an unarmed spy
>ship to sail into a war zone.

Despite Israeli and Jewish lies they were not in a war zone. A war
zone has to be declared by one or more of the belligerants. None was
declared. Therefore it was murder.

>Not only is it supposed to be safe now, but it
>was supposed to have been safe almost thirty years ago, and that the whole
>Jewish community should hang its head in collective guilt because it wasn’t
>safe.

Only over the murderous jew bastards who committed the murders.

>Pfui.

>Let me put it this way, Kurt: your mother swims after troop ships. Your
>sister’s lips go in and out with the tide.

Typical sick jew humor.

Another traitorous Jew who suppports the murder of Americans.

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On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 21:06:09 GMT, [email protected] (Mike Curtis)
wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>>On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 21:23:15 GMT, [email protected] (Mike Curtis)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>I am not interested in his opinions. I want to see the autopsy reports which
>>>>prove conclusively that the presence of cyanide was found in these people
>>>>after forensic testing. That is what will convince me. Do you have it?
>>
>>>I have to drop my civility here for a moment. Look, Mr. Belling, you
>>>were informed that gassing was NOT (N-O-T) used to the extent that it
>>>was at Auschwitz.
>>
>> If it was used 1000 times at Auschwitz then I agree, 1000 times 0 is
>>still zero.
>>

>Giwer has managed to troll with major stupid post once again. Mr.
>Belling/Blackmore is trying to tie Dachau and Auschwitz as being the
>same. This isn’t very brilliant, but it is a typical denier tactic.
>Your comment however is just stupid.

Sorry, shithead. Holohuggers here are still claiming that there were
gas chambers at Dachau where there never were any. They are
supporting the 1945 -1955 US Army lie that there were gas chambers at
Dachau.

What specifically is your problem? If it is that there were gas
chambers at Dachau take it up with those who would continue the 40
year old discredited lie, not me.

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On 8 Sep 1996 08:37:38 GMT, [email protected] (Richard
Schultz) wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:

>: But then you were probably educated in a public school and
>: simply do not know any better.

>So from which elite private school did you receive your education [sic]?
>It doesn’t seem to have done you any more good than the education that
>we poor public school peons got.

It is good to see your deficiencies in history are being blamed upon
your public school education.

I commend you for recognizing it.
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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 17:08:51 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>[email protected] (Bruce Wedding) wrote:

>>[email protected] (tom moran) wrote:
>>
>>>>There already is a movie about it tom. I can’t recall the name, but
>>>>it is the one starring Meg Ryan.
>>
>>>Really? If you recall the name, let me know. Thanks
>>
>>Courage Under Fire starring Meg Ryan and Denzel Washington.

> Okay, thanks. I’ll have to rent it and see what they have
>squeezed out.

It is a well told story “set against the backdrop of” the Gulf War.
It is not about the Gulf War. It is not even about war for that
matter simply “set against” a war. It is about the struggle against
the abuse of power. So is that one set in the Roman Empire where
Heston is sentenced to be a galley slave.

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On 6 Sep 1996 13:59:07 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA)
wrote:

>Archive/File: holocaust/poland/reinhard/sobibor sobibor.01
>Last-modified: 1995/08/18

Note please, no author, no source, no nothing. This is out of the
blue.

But then, holohuggers don’t care about things like that. They are
simply not very bright.

>”The name Sobibor was not immediately minted into the vocabulary of the
>West, perhaps because by the time the record of the camp was exposed, the
>casualty figures of the war itself had become statistics and the capacity
>to respond to human suffering was blunted.<1>

Another insanity direct from [email protected] presented for
your amusement and racous laughter.

As with the previous, it is based upon literary devices rather than
descriptions of reality. It is only for the dumbshit (credulous?
immature?) holohuggers to believe.

>Yet Sobibor was one of the six largest extermination camps

If there are six “largest” is sort of negates the meaning of the word
largest.

and matched
>Auschwitz and Treblinka, not only in its death toll, but in assembly-line
>techniques for extermination. The floors of Sobibor’s gas chambers were
>constructed to tilt, like the body of a dump truck, so that stacks of
>corpses slid out smoothly.

The floor did not tilt but was built at an angle.

Save for a minor point or three here. Abraham Bomba the Barber [of
Sobibor] said in Shoah, the acclaimed documentary, that the room was
12 by 12 feet. That there were benches for the (naked of course)
women and children to sit on while their hair was cut. He comletely
missed the point that the floor was slanted.

After all, people were sitting on benches right in the gas chamber.

But would someone named Abraham lie to you?

Either this author is lying or Bomba lied on the acclaimed Shoah
documentary.

Along with the usual barbed-wire enclosures,
>Sobibor was surrounded by a minefield and an adaptation of the water-filled
>medieval moat.

No remnants of either a mine field nor a mote have ever been found nor
was any minefield clearance nor moat filling every found but what the
hell. It makes a great story for holohuggers.

>Hundreds of geese were kept in special quarters, not only to
>appear on the tables of the SS mess but also because their raucous cackling
>helped drown out the screams of the doomed inmates as they were killed in
>the gas chambers, an unusual inversion of the classic Roman defense which
>depended on geese, penned at the foot of fortified hills, to warn the
>populace when marauders threatened the city.

Excuse me but “geese were kept”. They drowned out the screams of
people whe would not scream from either HCN or CO.

>It was at Sobibor that one of the most daring revolts flared, which again
>alerted the Nazis to the enormous danger the Jews represented once they had
>secured arms. Hoess of Auschwitz, in his prison autobiography, wrote that
>the escape and its cost to the Nazis left a trail of shame. `The Jews,’ he
>noted, `were able by force to achieve a major breakout during which almost
>all the guard personnel were wiped out.’ Himmler was so outraged by the
>`humiliation’ that he ordered Sobibor to be destroyed and all evidence of
>its activity erased.<22>”

But in the breakout not one word of this gassing got out.

> <22> Rudolf Hoess. Commandant of Auschwitz. p. 45, as cited in
> Sachar, Abram L. The Redemption of the Unwanted. (New York: St.
> Martin’s/Marek, 1983) 41-42

>< 1> Contrast this comment with Rashke’s introduction ((Rashke, Richard.
>Escape From Sobibor (Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 1982): “Almost
>everyone knows of Auschwitz and Dachau. But few people have ever heard about
>Sobibor, … Why history has been so silent is no mystery.

>In 1945, the Allies captured a mountain of German documents, bequeathing to
>historians an incomparable war library. Among those millions of pages,
>however, were only three short documents about Sobibor, part of Heinrich
>Himmler’s Operation Reinhard, the code name for three top secret death camps
>in eastern Poland.

Meaning of course, that all of the above is a forgery.

>The death camps — Sobibor, Belzec, and Treblinka — were quite different
>from Dachau, a prison, and Auschwitz, a concentration camp with gas chambers
>for those too weak to work.

For those too weak to work? What a strange statement when we have so
many people claiming people were shipped there for the sole purpose of
extermination such that FIVE functioning gas chambers were required to
dispose of all the people being shipped there for extermination.

They were giant death machines. Every Jew sent
>there was to be gassed within twenty-four hours, with the exception of
>between a hundred and six hundred Jews chosen to maintain the camp. They,
>too, were destined to be killed when Operation Reinhard was completed, if
>they lasted that long.”

Save of course there is no evidence of any of it. The lack of
evidence must prove it happened. Just as the lack of evidence to
prove ZOG proves it exists.

>Those wishing to examine English transcripts from the Memorial Book of
>Wlodowa will note many first-hand testimonies about the ghettos in the
>Wlodowa area, and the Sobibor camp. In particular, there are several files
>directly addressing the revolt and subsequent escape of some of the
>prisoners.

>See ftp.almanac.bc.ca/pub/holocaust/poland/wlodawa for available material.

>Our Yad Vashem archives contain well-documented specifics relating to
>Operation Reinhard, and Sobibor.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Ye shall smell gas where there be no gas
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 23:56:16 GMT
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On Fri, 06 Sep 96 19:42:13 GMT, [email protected] (Nele
Abels) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>[…]
>>>Giwer is not only a liar (that he doesn’t protest, affirms that he he earns the title) but also
>>>an idiot beyond any mortal bounds. That there were no extermination camps in Germany
>>>does of course NOT mean that there were no gas chambers or no gassed people. As usual
>>>his conclusions are completely worthless. (I wonder were he has done his degree in science?)

>> How could you judge as you have zero familiarity with any form of
>>science? But you know that.

>That I am no scientist does not mean that I have no connection to academia. And here we
>come to the point of judging your statements. You just made the same logical mistake you
>have made in your first post. Your conclusion expands the premisess. Very simple indeed,
>but perhaps to much for a IQ163 hulk. (BTW, Giwer got this result by self-assessment :)) )

Just what does a “connection to academia” have to do with an ability
to judge science? The ego of students knows no bounds. Second year,
right?

If you want to talk logic, where are you when people answer a request
of physical evidence with any but physical evidence? Why the
selective application or do I have to ask? (I know, you can not
determine what physical evidence means, typical academic.)

>>>Hey, Giwer, at what university DID you do your BS in science?

>> It has been posted many times. Look it up.

>No, you have never posted it. At what university DID you do your BS in science?

Look it up.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Ausrotten and the only good Indian is a dead Indian
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On 6 Sep 1996 14:57:39 GMT, [email protected] (william c
anderson) wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:

>: The entire idea of anything ever happening to Jews is only against
>: those who decided they were of the arbitrary and capricious category
>: called Jews that had no other meaning whatsoever other than self
>: identification. No greater real meaning than being a Mason or a Boy
>: Scout or an Elk.

>So in other words, Matt, you’re claiming the Nazis never would have
>bothered the Jews if they hadn’t called themselves Jews?

>If that’s what you’re claiming, Matt, then your ignorance of history
>is even greater than I’d thought it was.

I said nothing about the Nazi. Perhaps you do need to call
1-800-ABCDEFG.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Belsen to Keren, over.
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 00:25:36 GMT
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On 7 Sep 1996 00:23:45 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>> [email protected] writes:
>>
>>

>> Just like a disease gives a doctor something to do with
>> his life.

>Which are you purporting to be? From the contents of your recent postings, I will
>assume you are the disease. Permit me to refer you to a couple of doctors: One is
>a certain Dr. Nyiszli-one of your near sanctified auschwitz “witnesses”. You may have
>a problem setting up an appointment to see him though, as he seems to have vanished
>at the end of the war. Aside from that, we are now told that he is dead. Could you
>please obtain his death certificate and post it? Could you also please refer the browsers
>as to where some of the mass graves of those allegedly killed at Babi Yar may be
>found as well? Another doctor I might refer you to is Josef….Josef…what’s his name?
>Mengele….You’ve heard of him, haven’t you? Authorities were supposed to have dug
>up his remains years ago, yet certain skeptics keep on doubting the facts. Seems they
>want to keep dangling that carrot in front of the donkey’s face-generates a few
>more bucks that way.

July 6, 2010 — Bogata. Looking remarkably fit for his years, Josef
Mengele was found waiting tables at a local disco bar. He is being
held pending extradition to Israel to declare why he should not found
guilty before he is hung.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Show your support – sign on here
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On Sun, 08 Sep 1996 18:30:19 -0800, [email protected]
(Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> >Sue me too you anti-semetic nazi loving creep. In fact, my address for
>> >service is, c/o the University of Victoria (Begbie Building), Victoria,
>> >British Columbia.
>>
>> A serving address, not a mailing address. You do know the difference.

>You, of course, are a twit. My address for service is as indicated above.
>I can be served in person at that location.

>> And a real name while you are at it.

>Have you been drinking again ?

Only Glen Fiddich actually, The spelling is incrrect but what the he..

Do you have a problem with this and can afford it?

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.ernst-zundel,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 960906: Since Galileo’s time . . .
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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 22:44:51 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>[email protected] (E. Zundel Repost) wrote:

> In spite of all the talk about the persecution of Galileo, he and
>his predecessors came from with in the religion’s energy. The Vatican
>eventually was the one that sent Johann Kepler off to see Tycho Brahe.

And beyond that it is all grossly distorted. Galileo picked a fight
with the Pope as much as vice versa. Perhaps he won in the long run
as the story is so much distorted against the Pope and the RC church.

From [email protected] Wed Sep 11 07:13:45 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: SHOW YOUR SUPPORT – sign on here
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 03:41:45 GMT
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On 6 Sep 1996 13:00:03 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>> On 5 Sep 1996 06:34 MST, [email protected] (Danny
>> Mittleman) wrote:

>> > What? You are making a threat to report him for offering a legal
>> > opinion that you deem to be wrong?

>
>> Most state bars have rather serious prohibitions against offering
>> legal opinions in absense of a full and complete knowledge of the
>> circumstances of the person (persons) in this case that it is being
>> offered to.

> Since I did not offer a legal opinion on copyright, your statement is silly.

Strangely, not surprisingly, you correctly identify it as a legal
opinion. The issue raised above is not whether or not it is a legal
opinion but whether it is right or wrong. And of course, the standard
of what constitutes a legal opinion is how a layman will take it,
which is the purpose of the usual disclaimer that is absent in this
case.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Giwer Posts Fake Testimony
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 10:34:37 GMT
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On Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:56:56 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>Note that Giwer has nothing with which to respond to the
>fake testimony he posted here just a few days ago.

>Giwer posted a non-existing testimony. Period. He did it in
>order to “prove” that testimonies of survivors are a “lie”.

>The tactic is simple; “revisionists” use it all the time. They
>invent a non-existing testimony, or distort an existing one,
>and then post it as if it was an actual testimony. Al Baron
>did it. Tom Moran did it. And now Giwer does it.

>

># In Lueneburg, Germany, a Jewish physician, testifying at the
># trial of 45 men and women for war crimes at the Belsen and
># Oswiecim [Auschwitz] concentration camps, said that 80,000
># Jews, representing the entire ghetto of Lodz, Poland, had been
># gassed or burned to death in one night at the Belsen camp.

>

>Since there was no such mass gassing in Belsen, Giwer is
>trying to make it appear as if a witness said there was such
>gassing, in order to “prove” that this witness was lying.

>Giwer has yet to provide the name of this witness. But
>he can’t. Note that his only response to this reasonable
>request is to spam the group by reposting something totally
>unrelated.

>But this is what you can expect from a senile, pathetic,
>miserable liar like Giwer.

Actually I was posting a miserable lie accepted by the IMT.

I posted the kind of “truth” that was accepted by the IMT.

I gave the source of a lie that was approved by the IMT.

And as you know, the bullshit at the IMT is the only basis for the
claims of the holocaust.

But then you holohuggers can not deal with it.

You have to blame me for what the IMT enshrined as truth.

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From [email protected] Wed Sep 11 07:13:46 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 10:27:55 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> What you have to keep in mind in that holohuggers truly sexual
>> sadists.

>Mr. Giwer is now a psychiatrist and diagnostician as well as an expert on
>autism, biology, and everything else.

That is basic information in life. Any reasonably experienced person
knows the basics and I have never referred to more than the basics of
anything.

You should rather ask yourself why you are so ignorant of the things
you should know as a matter of course.

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Subject: Jews stick together
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Have you noticed that when I post public information about who is
running Nizkor that a member of a murderous organization starts
sending mail bombs to me because I am posting not only public
information but what Ken McVay has posted himself, connection him with
the US DOD.

These Jews really stick together.

They have no independent minds. Not an individual among them.

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Subject: wanna see a real holocaust
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http://206.55.8.10/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum

This differs in that it provides physical evidence of the cause of
death from the fake one the holohuggers love.

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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: What G”ring Knew
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On Sat, 7 Sep 1996 13:15:04 GMT, [email protected] (Dave Harman OBC)
wrote:

>In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>! Extract from the interrogation of Higher SS and Police Leader Friedrich Jeckeln
>! (December 14, 1945):

>But what everbody wants to know is how Poland’s Jewish
>population increased from 650,000 in 1870 to 3,250,000 in 1921. How?
>Immigration or the fastest birth rate in Europe by far?

No. The posted Eisatzgruppen totals show nothing out of the ordinary
about the birth rate.

Other European
>ethnic groups had an annual growth rate of under one percent at the
>time, not nearly enough to explain the high growth of the Polish
>Jewish populace. Immigration? That would contradict claims of
>centuries old Polish Jewish tradition.

>It’s possible that the Jewish population statistics were inflated by
>the Third Reich in 1942 to provide justification for military action
>to the public, thus encouraging more of it.

Military action against Poland had nothing whatsoever to do with Jews,
nor was it justified based upon Jews, in fact it was announced and the
people approved. After all, it was returning a part of Germany to
Germany.

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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Burmeister Testifies About Chelmno Death Camp
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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 17:09:38 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>[email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>Testimony of gas-van driver Walter Burmeister
>[Quoted in ‘The Good Old Days’ – E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
>Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 219-220]
>————————————————————
>As soon as the ramp had been erected in the castle, people started
>arriving in Kulmhof from Lizmannstadt in lorries… The people were
>told that they had to take a bath, that their clothes had to be
>disinfected and that they could hand in any valuable items beforehand
>to be registered…

>When they had undressed they were sent to the cellar of the castle and
>then along a passageway on to the ramp and from there into the
>gas-van. In the castle there were signs marked “to the baths”. The gas
>vans were large vans, about 4-5 meters long, 2.2 meter wide and 2
>meter high. The interior walls were lined with sheet metal. On the
>floor there was a wooden grille. The floor of the van had an opening
>which could be connected to the exhaust by means of a removable metal
>pipe. When the lorries were full of people the double doors at the
>back were closed and the exhaust connected to the interior of the
>van…

Interesting point. Remember the dancing naked? And it is always, to
the baths. Holohuggers love those naked people. The devil always
wants people naked. It is in his contract.

=====

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From [email protected] Wed Sep 11 07:13:50 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Subborning perjury the easy way
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 06:51:46 GMT
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On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 19:17:51 -0600, [email protected] (Bodhisattva)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 10:14:29 -0600, [email protected] (Bodhisattva)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>> >(Matt Giwer) wrote:
>>
>> >> In the Auschwitz Trial, witness Bernhard Walter, whose
>> >> testimony was not to the prosecution’s liking, was placed under
>> >> arrest until he had revised his statements.251 It is clear that
>> >> such actions by the Court cannot but have intimidated witnesses.
>> >> But Lichtenstein merely fumes that despite all this some
>> >> witnesses were still so insolent as to continue to deny
>> >> everything.252 German defense witnesses for the ‘criminal side’
>> >> who were willing to testify for Adolf Eichmann in the Jerusalem
>> >> trial were always threatened with arrest by the prosecution, so
>> >> that they stayed away from the proceedings.253
>> >>
>> >> =====
>> >>
>> >> Another example of the kind of witnesses the holocaust
>depends upon.
>> >> =====
>>
>> >Source, please?
>>
>> >Reprinting copyrighted material without citation is illegal.
>>
>>
>> Bullshit.

>NOTE: Giwer denies the law which is there for all to see. Why should
>anyone NOT laugh at this puss?

Just why would anyone take a silly handle seriously?

=====

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Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
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It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
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From [email protected] Wed Sep 11 12:16:08 PDT 1996
Article: 64420 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: I missed some mail
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 12:45:33 GMT
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I really do wish to have the REAL names and process serving addresses
of all of the people who wish to be named in a lawsuit against Nizkor
due to your participation in Nizkor and support of Nizkor.

I do not want the wishwashy here. I want those who are part of
everything Nizkor is trying to accomplish without exception.

Now what I want you to do if you are really serious and have had a
chance to think about it is to email me your request to be named. But
you do have to provide a real name and a real address. If you do not
do that then you are not serious.

If you do this you can show your solidarity with Nizkor.

I am seriously soliciting names and addresses to be named in this
lawsuit.

My position of course is that Nizkor is maligning the good name of
people. If you agree with this then it is up to you to stand with
Nizkor.

Please quote all of this post with your response.
=====

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No where can you get that happy feeling
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There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
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From [email protected] Wed Sep 11 12:16:10 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: and again
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 12:45:57 GMT
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I really do wish to have the REAL names and process serving addresses
of all of the people who wish to be named in a lawsuit against Nizkor
due to your participation in Nizkor and support of Nizkor.

I do not want the wishwashy here. I want those who are part of
everything Nizkor is trying to accomplish without exception.

Now what I want you to do if you are really serious and have had a
chance to think about it is to email me your request to be named. But
you do have to provide a real name and a real address. If you do not
do that then you are not serious.

If you do this you can show your solidarity with Nizkor.

I am seriously soliciting names and addresses to be named in this
lawsuit.

My position of course is that Nizkor is maligning the good name of
people. If you agree with this then it is up to you to stand with
Nizkor.

Please quote all of this post with your response.
=====

There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when your stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Wed Sep 11 12:16:11 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 12:45:46 GMT
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I really do wish to have the REAL names and process serving addresses
of all of the people who wish to be named in a lawsuit against Nizkor
due to your participation in Nizkor and support of Nizkor.

I do not want the wishwashy here. I want those who are part of
everything Nizkor is trying to accomplish without exception.

Now what I want you to do if you are really serious and have had a
chance to think about it is to email me your request to be named. But
you do have to provide a real name and a real address. If you do not
do that then you are not serious.

If you do this you can show your solidarity with Nizkor.

I am seriously soliciting names and addresses to be named in this
lawsuit.

My position of course is that Nizkor is maligning the good name of
people. If you agree with this then it is up to you to stand with
Nizkor.

Please quote all of this post with your response.
=====

There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when your stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Wed Sep 11 12:16:12 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: AN INVITATION TO TOM MORAN (was Re: ALL BY THEIR LONESOME)
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 12:47:12 GMT
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On 8 Sep 1996 11:34:37 GMT, [email protected] (Richard
Schultz) wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:

>: Do you mean to claim there is actual physical evidence for this
>: holocaust of yours?

>Do you mean to claim there is actual physical evidence for this Dresden
>firestorm of yours?

I have posted it. Look it up.

=====

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Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
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It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 07:34:07 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Julius Streicher: Pornographer
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 10:29:20 GMT
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On 5 Sep 1996 08:00:06 -0700, [email protected] (Ken McVay
OBC) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:

>>Mr. McVay writes:

>[Streicher’s pornographic material]
>
>>To Mr. McVay, re: Streicher: I am not denying what he wrote…I
>>am merely stating that it is unjust to kill people because of their
>>opinions. I don’t know how many times I have posted this. You

>You are also changing the subject, Sir. You asked for proof
>that his writing was pornographic. I provided it. You first
>rejected a common English definition (“revisionist
>scholarship” in action, as usual) then changed the subject.

>We are not talking about why the man was hung – we are talking
>about his pornographic writing. Do try and focus, won’t you?

>–
>The Nizkor Project | https://nizkor.org/
>———————–| Random Giwer Whoppers Served Here
> |————————————–
> http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/random-giwer-lie.cgi

If is only pornographic if [email protected] has an erotic
reaction to it. Apperently he does.

=====

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Everything that traffic will allow.
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 07:34:08 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Subborning perjury the easy way
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 11:29:13 GMT
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On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 10:14:29 -0600, [email protected] (Bodhisattva)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> In the Auschwitz Trial, witness Bernhard Walter, whose
>> testimony was not to the prosecution’s liking, was placed under
>> arrest until he had revised his statements.251 It is clear that
>> such actions by the Court cannot but have intimidated witnesses.
>> But Lichtenstein merely fumes that despite all this some
>> witnesses were still so insolent as to continue to deny
>> everything.252 German defense witnesses for the ‘criminal side’
>> who were willing to testify for Adolf Eichmann in the Jerusalem
>> trial were always threatened with arrest by the prosecution, so
>> that they stayed away from the proceedings.253
>>
>> =====
>>
>> Another example of the kind of witnesses the holocaust depends upon.
>> =====

>Source, please?

>Reprinting copyrighted material without citation is illegal.

Bullshit. Turn me is.

Now go find it.
=====

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Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Then when your stealing

From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 12:39:31 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: 12 million into camps, Mr. “Stone?”
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On 7 Sep 1996 23:15:13 -0700, Ourobouros wrote:

>In article , [email protected] says…

>Triviality:
>Please notice the “something”, while I forgot to place “like” between
>the “something” and the “”” is happens to fit quite nicely. In other words,
>I was not suggesting the continuation was necessarily correct, only
>something akin to it.

>Yes you are correct, the Nizkor home page is neither a historian or a
>citation. However the people involved in making it (Ken McVay & Co.) like
>to consider themselves historians. Did the original statements (of mine)
>require too many stages in logic.

My first mother in law had a hobby of going to garage sales but she
never held any. Her place was … interesting. Very like Nizkor.

>Now you consider that I am diverting, please prove so. In case you cannot
>fathom it, I am trying to garner McVay’s knowledge to continue the
>argument (or to stop it in its tracks). It is misfortunate that you have
>decided to enter the fray because the argument was between McVay and
>myself, but since you did join McVay’s side, you can help to defend McVay,
>especially noting his history on avoiding answering any of my questions
>posed to him.

As with all holohuggers he makes it up as he goes along.

>>One could say that such deliberate misquoting, and the attempted
>>diversions that followed, are the acts of a desperate man.
>>
>Well now you know that it isn’t. If you failed to comprehend my earlier
>paragraph marked with “Triviality” please re-read the “something” before
>the quotation marks. I regret not including “like” alongside it (missed it
>when I was checking my reply), but there you have it.

>>> Can you put two and two together?
>>
>>Yes. Two and two is four. I can also perform addition in binary and
>>hexadecimal. I wonder why “Stone” is now diverting the discussion into the
>>realm of basic mathematics?
>>
>Recognising sarcasm is not one of your strong-points is it? Either that or
>you are clutching at straws.

>The phrase “can you put two and two together?” means (at least in NZ) I am
>challenging you to make a logical deduction. It is not, as you suggest,
>any attempt at diversion.

>Hopefully what follows will show you what I have been meaning.

>1. W.W.II happened between the years 1939 & 1945. 1945-1939=6.

>2. McVay, has stated many a time that holocaust numbers were “nearly”
>12 million. I did not assume that when I stated 12 million without using
>such words as “approximately” that it cause massive controversy. Or isn’t
>this a point?

Their point is to divert the discussion into trivialties. It is an
old tactic.

>3. Simon Wiesanthal has stated that no concentration camps were on
>German soil. Therefore, unless Germany was buying land in Poland and so
>forth before W.W.II they couldn’t have made concentration camps before no
>1939. Is that a reasonable conclusion?

Next they will demand a citation from SW himself even though they know
he was both said and written it.

>4. Camps such as the Auchwitz complex hold (according to dogma) are where
>most of the killing occurred, or is this wrong? Assuming that I am correct
>in stating that most of the killings occurred at the concentration camps,
>the figure of 12 million would still hold, though admittedly I should be
>using “nearly” since you are so concerned about it.

As for Jews most had to have been killed outside the camps. You see,
before the revision at Auschwitz from 4 to 1 million (approximately,
of course) there were six million Jews killed. After the reduction
there were still six million Jews killed. The numbers for the other
camps was not increased.

Therefore the Einsatzgruppen total has to be increased from 1.2. to
4.2 million. It has yet to be explained just how they killed so many
and at the same time managed to hide all the evidence of 1.2 million.
It is left so some future holohugger to explain how they killed 4.2
million and still managed to hide the evidence.

So, if you believe the holohuggers the total numbers go from about 11
million in the camp and 1 million outside the camps to 8 and 4 million
respectively.

Of course the only thing that upsets the holohuggers in this matter is
trying to reduce 6 million to 3 million Jews. They are incapable of
basic arithmetic. Given their gullibility potential that is not
surprising. The six points on a Star of David has a mystical
significance for them.

>5. If all the points are so far correct, then I can make this conclusion:
>Within 6 years, nearly 12 million people were killed in concentration
>camps.

>Now, if all the above is correct, I would like to see how it is feasible
>for Germany, at war against the allies, to mobilise nearly 12 million
>people into concentration camps.

Scotty kept the transporter working full time?

>If most of killings didn’t occur in concentration camps, then where did
>they occur?

You will never answer that question by looking for bodies.

>Sorry, I was using sarcasm again. However, I did like your tactic. Please
>keep it up, one day you might become good at it.

>It would seem that you have an incredibly distorted view on what constitutes
>evidence. I have a major contention how you clipped my argument with
>Finsten to suit yourself.

What constitutes evidence is anything that supports the preconceived
conclusion.

>It would seem, Mr. Brown, that you are the one trying to divert the topic.
>What would you call this part of thread and who started it?

Of course the purpose is to divert the discussion.

From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 12:39:32 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Ausrotten and the only good Indian is a dead Indian
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On Mon, 09 Sep 1996 19:17:32 -0300, Keith Morrison
wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>> On 8 Sep 1996 08:37:38 GMT, [email protected] (Richard
>> Schultz) wrote:
>>
>> >Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>>
>> >: But then you were probably educated in a public school and
>> >: simply do not know any better.
>>
>> >So from which elite private school did you receive your education [sic]?
>> >It doesn’t seem to have done you any more good than the education that
>> >we poor public school peons got.
>>
>> It is good to see your deficiencies in history are being blamed upon
>> your public school education.
>>
>> I commend you for recognizing it.

>So where did you go to university again? Why wasn’t a brilliant person such
>as yourself not given a full scholarship at, say, Harvard or MIT? Unlike a
>friend of mine and her younger sister.

I did not apply.
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Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
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There’s no business like Shoah business
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Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 12:39:33 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Ausrotten and the only good Indian is a dead Indian
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:15:51 GMT
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On Mon, 09 Sep 1996 19:13:02 -0300, Keith Morrison
wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:

>> What an idiot, illiterate shit. The Constituion grants no freedoms.
>> It protects rights from the government. Learn to read, dumb shit.

>Oh Constitutional Expert, want to tell us (again) who has the sole Constitutional
>power to declare war?

I have answered that many times.

Are you reveling in your ignorance of history? Want to list the
declared wars in US history?

Would you some day like to learn the difference between a war and a
declared war?

Of course you would not. You are proud of your ignorance. You enjoy
displaying it.

=====

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Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 8 Sep 1996 09:00:31 GMT, [email protected] (Nizkor USA)
wrote:

>Archive/File: holocaust/poland/reinhard/sobibor dchenko.001
>Last-Modified: 1994/08/11
>Source: United States Department of Justice

> RECORD OF QUESTIONING OF WITNESS

> November 21, 1979 City of Tyumen’

>The department Procurator, Procuracy of the USSR, Senior Legal Counsel N.P.
>Kolesnikova, in connection with the request from the organs of justice
>of the USA for legal aid in the case of the suspected Nazi war
>criminal Dem’yanyuk, in accordance with the requirements of Articles
>158 and 160 of the Code of Criminal Procedure of the RSFSR, in the
>offices of the Procuracy of Tyumen Oblast’, questioned as witness:

> Danil’chenko, Ignat Terent’yevich, born 1923, native of the
> village of Grechino, Tsarichan Rayon, Dnepropetrovsk Oblast’,
> Ukrainian, citizen of the USSR, secondary education, retured,
> residing in the 4th district, No. 6, Apartment No. 8, city of
> Tobol’sk.

>The responsibilities of a witness provided for by Article 73 of the
>Code of Criminal Procedure of the RSFSR were explained to I.T.
>Danil’chenko, and he was warned of his criminal responsibility for
>deliberately giving false statements, refusal to give statements or
>evasiveness in doing so under Articles 181 and 182 of the Criminal
>Code of the RSFSR.

>Signature of Witness: (signature)

>Upon explanation of Article 17 of the Code of Criminal Procedure of
>the RSFSR, I.T. Danil’chenko stated that he is fluent in the Russian
>language and that he would give his statement in the Russian language.

>Signature of Witness: (signature)

>Questioning began: 10:00 A.M.

>In response to the questions asked, I.T. Danil’chenko stated: I served
>as an SS guard in the Sobibor concentration camp in Poland from March
>of 1943 through March or April (I cannot now precisely remember) of
>1944. The camp was located near a small railroad station called
>Sobibor, near the edge of a forest, and was designed for mass killing
>of persons of Jewish nationality from the Soviet Union, Poland,
>Holland, and other nations occupied by the Nazis. Jews from Germany
>were also killed here. The camp covered approximately four square
>kilometers and was surrounded by four rows of barbed wire 3 m. high.
>There were two entrances into the camp which were closed by wooden
>gates on the side of the wire barrier facing the railroad siding. One
>gate was designed to admit railroad trains into the camp, while the
>other was designed for trucks. There was a smaller gate in the second
>gate through which Germans and guards passed. A railroad platform was
>built in the camp, near the railroad siding, on a level with the doors
>on the freight cars. This was the spot where the people brought to the
>camp in railroad cars to be killed were unloaded. The platform was
>separated from the general territory of the camp by a single row of
>barbed wire. A passage, also surrounded by barbed wire, led from the
>platform to an area where the prisoners were ordered to leave their
>belongings. Another passage 30-40 m long, surrounded by barbed wire,
>led from this spot. The people were led along this passage to
>so-called “dressing rooms”, where they were forced to strip naked.

But why were they not forced to dance?

The
>women’s hair was also cut off here.

The cowardly Abraham Bomba was the head barber in this operation. He
tells a different story on Shoah. But then, what the hell. A man
named Abraham would never lie unless he is lying.

The Germans and the guards took
>valuables (gold rings, earrings, watches, etc.) from the prisoners. A
>passage approximately 3 m wide densely surrounded by barbed wire
>intertwined with twigs and branches led from the dressing rooms. The
>naked people were driven

They still are not dancing.

along this passage to a large stone building
>with was called the “showers”. Actually, this was a gas chamber where
>the arriving Jews were killed in six gas chambers (250 persons in
>each) by exhaust gasses from diesel engines which were located near
>the gas chamber.

We are forgetting Abraham here. He was in the 12 foot by 12 foot gas
chamber with the benches while he cut their hair off.

Who is lying? How can we tell?

I remember hearing from other guards (I cannot
>remember their names) that there were two such diesels, supposedly
>from tanks. I did not personally see these engines, and I do not know
>precisely where they were located in the area of the gas chamber.

How does he know they were there? Is the speaker deaf?

This
>final passage was densely surrounded by armed guards on both sides,
>right up to the very doors of the gas chamber. When the doors of the
>gas chamber were opened, the people were driven into the chambers by
>Germans and guards from a special detachment which worked only in this
>area of the camp.

One chamber 12 x 12 feet.

The guards guarded the prisoners from the moment the
>freight cars were unloaded right up to the gas chamber in order to
>prevent attempts to escape and to eliminate panic and disorder which
>might arise among the prisoners. With the aid of the guards, when
>unloading the freight cars the Germans announced to the Jews that they
>would be disinfected in Sobibor and then sent to work. Therefore, in
>the majority of cases the people walked calmly along the passages,
>right up to the doors of the gas chamber. Armed guards stood on both
>sides of the passages, ready to open fire at the slightest sign of
>resistance among the prisoners. From conversations with the guards I
>know that after the people were killed in the gas chamber their bodies
>were loaded on trolleys which ran up to the “showers” on a railroad
>branch line

Where is that tilting floor?

and then hauled a short distance from the area of the gas
>chamber, stacked on a trestle of rails and burned. A special
>detachment of 50 men consisting of German Jews who were prisoners in
>the camp burned the bodies under the supervision of the Germans. The
>Jews from this detachment lived in a barracks in the area of the gas
>chamber. The outside of the barracks was guarded round-the-clock.

More of those Jewish participants in the holocaust. If Jews will do
this to their own, is it any surprise what they do to Palestinians?

>The gas chamber building and the place where the bodies were burned
>were carefully camouflaged by the Germans with trees. However,
>everyone always knew when bodies were being burned, since the flame
>blazed over the camp, the glow could be seen for several kilometers
>and the unique stench of burnt flesh could be smelled in the air.

Quite a waste of camouflage but then no one ever said Nazis were
intelligent.

>I do not know who ran the diesel engines. It is possible that they
>were guards, but I do not know who specificaly they were.

>As a rule, all Jews brought to the camp were killed on the very same
>day. Actually, this was a factory for the mass killing of people. For
>six months after my arrival at the camp, an average of one or two
>trains delivered prisoners to the camp daily. There were approximately
>25 freight cars in each train, more or less. Each car contained
>roughly 50-60 prisoners.

For a 180 day period there were (50 x 25) 1250 people per day
totalling 225,000 people. 2.25 million railroad ties per six months.
Excuse me, holohuggers, one tie was more than enough for all of them.

On another note, that would be $100 worth of ammunition a day if they
were to do it in the field and save all the shipping and handling
costs.

All of the Jews delivered were killed on the
>very same day, and those who were not healthy enough to walk to the
>gas chamber themselves were shot in the area of the gas chamber in a
>so-called “infirmary”. Approximately 1500 Jews were killed in the camp
>each day. It is difficult for me to provide a more precise estimate of
>the number of prisoners killed each day, but there were at least 1500
>of them. These included women, elderly persons and children. In
>addition, Jews from nearby ghettos were delivered in 5-6 trucks, with
>20-25 persons in each. By late 1943 the trains full of prisoners had
>begun to arrive more rarely, and by the spring of 1944 they had
>completely stopped arriving. During this period Jews who were still
>being delivered from the ghettos were killed in the camp, but
>deliveries of prisoners from the ghettos also became more rare.

>The superintendent of the camp was a German SS officer, whose name and
>rank I have forgotten. At that time he was 35-40 years old, tall and
>well-built; I cannot now specify his other features, since so many
>years have passed since then. There was a company of SS guards
>consisting of approximately 120 men in the camp. The company consisted
>of four platoons with approximately 30 men in each platoon. The
>company commander was a German SS officer. The platoon leaders were
>guards of German nationality. The commander of the 1st. Platoon in
>which I served was also of German nationality. I remember that he was
>either from the Donbass or from Zaporozhe. I do not remember his last
>name, but he was called Karl. Because he was short, the guards gave
>him the nickname “Karlik”*. I do not remember the other platoon
>leaders. The platoons were formed according to height. Guards at least
>180 cm tall served in the 1st platoon. At that time I was 184 cm tall.
>Of the guards who served with me in the 1st platoon I remember Ivan
>Ivchenko, who was our cook, and Ivan Dem’yanyuk. When I arrived at
>Sobibor, Dem’yanyuk alrready served in the camp as a private in the SS
>guards. I do not know Dem’yanyuk’s patronymic. From conversations with
>Dem’yanyuk I do know that he was from Vinnitsa Oblast’. He was roughly
>2-3 years older than I, had light brown hair with noticeable bald
>spots at that time, was heavyset, had gray eyes and was slightly
>taller than I, roughly 186-187 cm tall. I remember Dem’yanyuk’s
>appearance well, and I could possibly identify him. I do not know
>directly from where and when precisely Dem’yanyuk arrived at Sobibor.
>From what Dem’yanyuk said I know that like all of us (the guards) who
>served in Sobibor he had been trained at the SS camp in Travniki. I
>saw Dem’yanyuk for the first time when I arrived at Sobibor; he was
>already there. Dem’yanyuk told me that he had served in the Soviet
>Army and had been taken prisoner by the Germans early in the war. I do
>not know under what circumstances he was taken prisoner. It is
>possible that Dem’yanyuk told me about this, but I cannot remember
>now. I do not know whether he had any wounds. I personally did not see
>any traces of wounds on Dem’yanyuk. At Sobibor, Dem’yanyuk served as a
>private in the SS guard and was dressed in a black SS uniform with a
>gray collar. He was always armed with a loaded rifle. While standing
>guard outside the camp Dem’yanyuk, like the other guards, was issued a
>submachine gun and ammunition. While at his post he was obligated to
>make sure that there were no attempts by outside persons to enter the
>camp or attempted escapes from it. Dem’yanyuk, like all guards in the
>camp, participated in the mass killing of Jews. I also participated in
>this crime and I was convicted and punished for it. While I was at the
>camp I repeatedly saw Dem’yanyuk, armed with a rifle, together with
>other guards and, in many cases, myself, guard prisoners in all areas
>of the camp, from the unloading platform to the entrance into the gas
>chamber. Dem’yanyuk escorted people until they reached the gas chamber
>to avoid violations by the prisoners of the “procedure” in which they
>were sent to be killed. I cannot specifically say under what
>circumstances or how many groups of prisoners Dem’yanyuk escorted to
>the gas chamber during his service at the camp, since this was
>constant, daily “work”. I did not see whether Dem’yanyuk shot anyone
>while they were being sent to the gas chamber. Such cases occurred in
>the camp if the prisoners showed any kind of resistance. It is
>difficult for me to say who shot the sick and weak prisoners in the
>”infirmary”. It is possible that they were shot by guards on orders
>from the Germans, but at present I can state nothing specific about
>this. I do not know whether Dem’yanyuk participated in the shootings
>of sick prisoners. Together with Dem’yanyuk, I had to guard the place
>where the prisoners were unloaded from the railroad cars. I saw
>Dem’yanyuk and other guards push the Jews with rifle butts and hit
>them; this was a common occurrence during unloading. It is therefore
>difficult to single out the actions of Dem’yanyuk in treating the
>prisoners.

>Dem’yanyuk was considered to be an experienced and efficient guard.
>For example, he was repeatedly assigned by the Germans to get Jews in
>surrounding ghettos and deliver them in trucks to the camp to be
>killed. I did not receive any such assignments, since I did not have
>sufficient experience. Dem’yanyuk also guarded the outside of the
>barracks for the special detachment which serviced the gas chamber. I
>saw him at this post many times, carrying a rifle. I do not know
>whether he served guard duty inside the gas chamber zone. As I
>remember, Dem’yanyuk was frequently granted leave because he
>conscientiously carried out all orders from the Germans.

>In March or April of 1944, Dem’yanyuk and I were sent from Sobibor to
>the city of Flossenburg in Germany, where we guarded an aircraft
>factory and a concentration camp for political prisoners. In case we
>were wounded, all of the guards at this camp, including Dem’yanyuk,
>were given a tattoo on the inside of the left arm, above the wrist,
>designating their blood type. I still have this tattoo, the German
>letter “B”, designating my blood time. I do not know what letter
>designated Dem’yanyuk’s blood type.

>In late autumn of 1944, in October or November, Dem’yanyuk and I
>(among other guards) were sent to the city of Regensburg, or rather
>from the concentration camp located 18-29 km from Regensburg. Until
>April of 1945 we guarded the prisoners in this camp, who did
>construction work. In April of 1945, due to the approach of the front,
>the entire camp was evacuated and marched toward the city of
>Nuremberg. I escaped along the way, but Dem’yanyuk continued to
>accompany the prisoners. I suggested that he escape with me, but he
>refused. I have never seen Dem’yanyuk since then and his fate is
>unknown to me. I also know nothing about the fate of the prisoners who
>were on that march.

>The questioning was completed at 6:15 P.M. The questioning was
>conducted with a rest break.

>I have read the record and my statements were recorded faithfully into
>the record from my words. I have no additions or corrections to make.

>Signature of Witness: (Signature)
>Questioned by: Department Procurator, Senior Legal Council
> (Signature) N.P. Kolesnikova
>Xerographic copy authentic: Deputy Chief of Office, Procuracy of the
>USSR (Signature) P.I. Ryakhovskikh

>(OFFICIAL SEAL)

>* Translator’s Note: diminutive of the name Karl, also meaning “dwarf”
> in Russian
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Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 12:39:35 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Want to try it again?

You folks are some of the most accomplished liars I have ever come
across. But not quite good enough.
=====

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Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 7 Sep 1996 23:44 MST, [email protected] (Danny
Mittleman) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes…
>>www.babylonians.com

> Cute.

> Marduk, I presume?

> daniel david mittleman

Holohugging scum as usual.
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There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 12:39:36 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: MATT GIWER, PLAGIARIST
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On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 17:53:30 -0600, [email protected] (Bodhisattva)
wrote:

>For all who were perhaps still under the impression that Matt Giwer is not
>a liar, fool, or unscrupulous bastard, witness his unattributed
>republication of someone else’s intellectual property, and then refuse to
>provide citation when asked.

Sounds like you studied law under YFE you idiot handle.

>Note also how he denies the truth of an actual law, which can be
>researched without much difficulty and the existence of which would
>only be questioned by a fool or a madman.

>Which one is Matt Giwer, then?

>In article ,
>[email protected] (Bodhisattva) wrote:

>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>> (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 10:14:29 -0600, [email protected] (Bodhisattva)
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>> > >(Matt Giwer) wrote:
>> >
>> > >> In the Auschwitz Trial, witness Bernhard Walter, whose
>> > >> testimony was not to the prosecution’s liking, was placed under
>> > >> arrest until he had revised his statements.251 It is clear that
>> > >> such actions by the Court cannot but have intimidated witnesses.
>> > >> But Lichtenstein merely fumes that despite all this some
>> > >> witnesses were still so insolent as to continue to deny
>> > >> everything.252 German defense witnesses for the ‘criminal side’
>> > >> who were willing to testify for Adolf Eichmann in the Jerusalem
>> > >> trial were always threatened with arrest by the prosecution, so
>> > >> that they stayed away from the proceedings.253
>> > >>
>> > >> =====
>> > >>
>> > >> Another example of the kind of witnesses the holocaust
>> depends upon.
>> > >> =====
>> >
>> > >Source, please?
>> >
>> > >Reprinting copyrighted material without citation is illegal.
>> >
>> >
>> > Bullshit.
>>
>> NOTE: Giwer denies the law which is there for all to see. Why should
>> anyone NOT laugh at this puss?
>>
>>
>> Turn me is.
>>
>> “Turn you is”? I’m sorry, I can’t parse that ‘sentence’.
>>
>> >
>> > Now go find it.
>>
>> Puss. You’re such a puss! You cite something – ILLEGALLY and UNETHICALLY
>> – without citing the source, and you tell me to go find it.
>>
>> You are truly a degenerate unemployed puss.

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There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 12:39:37 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: 12 million into camps, Mr. “Stone?”
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On Sun, 08 Sep 1996 01:20:41 +0000, Laurinda Stryker
wrote:

>Ourobouros wrote:

>[snip]

>>Would you care to restate the
>> header of the Nizkor home-page, something “Dedicated to the 12 million…”

>The header, as you must know, reads, ‘Dedicated to the nearly twelve
>million victims ruthlessly destroyed by Adolf Hitler and his Nazi
>regime’. As I’d think you also must know, ‘victim’ is not the same as
>’camp inmate’. Much of the killing occurred outside of the camps.

>You _are_ being disingenous, aren’t you?

Months ago, I asked of anyone had an exact breakdown of the numbers in
the camps, by camp, and outside of the camps. Not one holohugger
responded. Those that did resond implied they knew but would not say.

Of course there is an obvious reason for this refusal.

It has to do with the same total before and after Auschwitz was
reduced by 3 million.

But holohuggers are not willing to face that. No cajones. In you,
that is understandable.

From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 12:39:38 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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On 8 Sep 1996 17:34:13 -0700, Ourobouros wrote:

>
>I shall retract my statements on these conditions:

>1. When exactly the concentration camps were built.

>2. Where the vast bulk of nearly 12 million “victims” died.

>Only then will I reconsider that I was in error.

>Nothing more, nothing less.

Never expect a holohugger to commit itself to anything.

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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Jews stick together
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:15:45 GMT
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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996 06:24:08, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>>From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
>>Subject: Jews stick together
>>Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 10:48:16 GMT

>> Have you noticed that when I post public information about who is
>>running Nizkor that a member of a murderous organization starts
>>sending mail bombs to me

>No, I haven’t noticed. I guess that’s because I don’t have access to your
>mailbox.

You should have noticed it because Grynspan has admitted to the
mailbombing because of what I have repeated from McVay’s own
keystrokes.

If you are not going to pay attention to the newsgroup, then stop
jumping in.

>I guess, though, that you figure everybody else does. Perhap you should
>change your password from “idiot”?

If you are paying attention then I will add you to the stick together
group. After all, it is animals like you who excuse Israeli scum of
murdering Americans. You holohuggers are all alike.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 12:39:40 PDT 1996
Article: 64730 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: real showerheads
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:15:26 GMT
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On 8 Sep 1996 08:42:51 GMT, [email protected] (Richard
Schultz) wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:

>: All you are showing is that you are ignorant of chemisty to make
>: that claim.

>So are you going to show all of us chemistry wannabees how it’s really
>done by posting your calculation of how much Zyklon B had to have been
>introduced into a gas chamber to bring the HCN level up to the 300 ppm
>level?

Did that. Look it up. That was when CS PhD Keren revealed he had no
idea what a spreadsheet is. Look it up. I have no intention of
repeating anything because you were on vacation.

As I recall, the result you posted appeared to be a rather
>unlikely one, but perhaps the calculations will reveal your intellectual
>superiority once and for all.

>And I’ll be seeing you at Harold Stassen’s inaugural ball. . .

>—–
>Richard Schultz [email protected]
>Department of Chemistry tel: 972-3-531-8065
>Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
>—–
>I’m sorry if I hurt you when I fell asleep last night,
>But I was just exhausted from the act of being polite.

Sgt. Schultz, it is a matter of record that you will mislead people
to the point of lying to attempt to support your precious holocaust.

This is no exception.
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 12:39:40 PDT 1996
Article: 64731 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The importance of being “anti-semitic”
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:14:13 GMT
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On Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:24:08, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>From: [email protected] (Kurt Stele)
>>Subject: Re: The importance of being “anti-semitic”
>>Date: 7 Sep 1996 18:03:25 -0400

>>[email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>>>Let me put it this way, Kurt: your mother swims after troop ships. Your
>>>sister’s lips go in and out with the tide.

>>I like Joel. He and I agree on certain things.

>I couldn’t have put it better myself, Kurt. Particularly if we just stop
>there, with our agreement on your Mom and Sis.

It is always good when jew traitors post their true colors.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 12:39:41 PDT 1996
Article: 64732 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 12 million into camps, Mr. “Stone?”
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:15:08 GMT
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On 8 Sep 1996 11:20:18 -0700, [email protected] (Ken McVay
OBC) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Ourobouros wrote:

>>3. Simon Wiesanthal has stated that no concentration camps were on
>>German soil. Therefore, unless Germany was buying land in Poland and so
>>forth before W.W.II they couldn’t have made concentration camps before no
>>1939. Is that a reasonable conclusion?

>No, Mr. Wiesenthal has not said that no concentration camps
>were on German soil. Once again, Mr. “Stone” lies, just as he
>did when he claimed that someone, somewhere, had asserted that
>the Nazis transported 12 million people into concentration
>camps during a 6 year period.

As [email protected] knows, Wiesethal not only said it but he
got pissed when I quoted it with URL right from the SWC website.

Go look it up, again.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 12:39:42 PDT 1996
Article: 64733 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected].com (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: TREBLINKA, there, gone, there again
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:14:36 GMT
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On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 12:55:05 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>
> For anyone who wants to check out what the Holocaust story has as
>evidence for this camp being an extermination facility check out
>Nizkor. (Nizkor > ftp > treblinka)
> Notice how they deny the evidence is not founded on “eyewitness”
>testimony and then notice how most of their evidence is testimony and
>quotes from books.
> Notice “treblinka 02.” where it is quoted from the “Old Frogs
>Almanac” – “When the Russians took over the Treblinka conmplex and the
>nearly dead survivors … there was no lack of physical evidence”.
>Notice under other clickables where it is said “The suffocated bodies
>in recently arrived cattle cars …” were there also.
> Yet the Holocaust story also has it that the camp was constructed
>one year (1941-2), 2,000,000 people were exterminated the next years
>(1942-3) and the next year it was plowed over and turned into a tree
>farm (1943-4), and yetaccording to the above account, when the
>Russians arrived a year after all this, it was still there, in full
>bloom.
> This exemplifies the typical nature of Holocaust evidence.

Before I read more, let me guess. YFE is going to recite the true
truth which was given to him by an angel of the lord, in fact he
wrestled the truth out of it.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 12:39:43 PDT 1996
Article: 64737 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Earn satisfaction in your spare time
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:15:42 GMT
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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996 06:30:23, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:

>> As we all know,

>Back before the fall of the Soviet Union, they used to have a newspaper called
>”Pravda”, which meant, roughly, “Official Truth.”

>Pravda used to use a phrase “as is well known”, when they were about to lie,
>to represent something as fact that was neither true, nor provable.

>Sort of like Giwer.

As we all know, Nizkor has admitting violating my copyright. They
have clearly violated the copyright of others. Not one picture is
original with them, all pirated from the publications of others.

It is the biggest collection of pirated material I have ever seen on
the web.

But you know that.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 12:39:44 PDT 1996
Article: 64738 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ‘Show us the scene of the crime.’
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:14:29 GMT
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On 8 Sep 1996 15:42:30 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
>>
>> The Holcoaust story has eyewitnesses galore. In fact, perhaps 99%
>> of the Holocaust evidence is eyewitness testimony. At Nuremberg, other
>> trials, in Extraordinary Commission reports made out at the time of
>> liberation of particular camps, testimonies of prisoners, civilians,
>> SS, and camp administrators – interogations and confessions – gas
>> chambers, huge cremation pits and mass graves, yet, not one of them
>> was ever ask by any of the investigationg bodies to, ‘Show us the
>> scene of the crime’.

> Tell your handler that he has made another factual error. Several
>requests were made by the prosecution, especially at the later trials, to have sitre
>visits made to the KZ. Objection to such visits were were made by the lawyers for
>the *nazis.* The objections were sustained.

Do you happed to have a source for this? Of course not.

> The reason that no-one ever went to “the scene of the crime” is that
>the perpetrators did not want anybody to go there.

The reason is the Soviets would not permit it.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 13:08:34 PDT 1996
Article: 64742 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Best of Sara Schwartz
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:14:23 GMT
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On Sun, 08 Sep 1996 17:42:28 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

> Sara Schwartz’s favorite quote that can be found at the end of
>here posts.

> “I am patient with stupidity, but not with those who are proud of
>it.”

Her second favorite quote comes from the Desiderata …

“Be gentle with yourself.”

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 13:08:35 PDT 1996
Article: 64743 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ‘Show us the scene of the crime.’
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:14:27 GMT
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On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 12:50:19 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

>
> The Holcoaust story has eyewitnesses galore. In fact, perhaps 99%
>of the Holocaust evidence is eyewitness testimony. At Nuremberg, other
>trials, in Extraordinary Commission reports made out at the time of
>liberation of particular camps, testimonies of prisoners, civilians,
>SS, and camp administrators – interogations and confessions – gas
>chambers, huge cremation pits and mass graves, yet, not one of them
>was ever ask by any of the investigationg bodies to, ‘Show us the
>scene of the crime’.

In addition the Soviets refused to permit any investigations to be
conducted in any place they liberated or controlled.

But notice how Nuremberg so well satisfied the Soviet criteria and
procedures for a show trial.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 13:08:36 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: SHOW YOUR SUPPORT – the morans are still biting!
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On 10 Sep 1996 03:40:42 GMT, [email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message
>[email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi)Sat, 07 Sep 1996 14:10:00 -0800
>writes:
>:>
>:>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>:>(Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>:>
>:>> [a moron wrote]
>:>>
>:>> “Aren’t you going to sign on for endorsing McVay’s statement
>:>> about Moran’s sister?”
>:>>
>:>> >My name is already on the list, you twit. Why do you STILL refer to
>:>> >yourself in the third person ?
>:>>
>:>> Would you admit to being her brother?
>:>
>:>Good point, although I believe that the sister has more to worry about
>:>than the brother. Or was it the cat ?

>Do you think the sister would admit to being the sister? 🙂

It is interesting what fools there are here who imagine that his
sister does not have a very serious libel case against everyone who
has signed up to being a participant in the lawsuit.

As YFE should have told you folks, this constitutes an admission of
guilt and the only issue before the court is the amount of the reward.

You folks are betting that there will be no lawsuit.

Rotsa ruck.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 13:08:37 PDT 1996
Article: 64747 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: the usual suspects
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 18:54:58 GMT
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[email protected] tells me that he spoke with only two outside
people about the recent problem. One of the them is the webmaster at
Nizkor and the other is YFE. That means that the list of suspects
regarding the harrassing phonecalls this morning are narrowed down to
those two people.

One of them is involved in the abusive and harrassing and criminal
phonecalls or knows who is at the minimum.

But then, they are holohuggers and have no morals.
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 14:30:32 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: interesting data
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 20:26:22 GMT
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gryn.org appears to be running OS/2 but is for some reason a seriously
slow responder. It appears to be very bogged down for a vanity site.

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Everything about it is misleading
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 14:30:33 PDT 1996
Article: 64763 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Why does George Lehmann keep making a fool out of himself? Inquiring minds, and all that…
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 19:26:24 GMT
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On Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:23:33 -0400, Alec Grynspan
wrote:

>Matt Giwer wrote:
>>
>> On 7 Sep 1996 03:20:51 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>>
>>
>> There’s no business like Shoah Business
>> Like no business I know.
>> Everything about it is appealing,
>> Everything that traffic will allow.
>> No where can you get that happy feeling
>> Than when your stealing
>>
>> There’s no business like Shoah business
>> It’s like no business I know
>> Everything about it is misleading
>> Everything about it seems a fraud
>> Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
>> For more donations to their cause

>Your message to uunet.ca bore fruit.

>They forwarded it to Internet Canada, my provider. When the postmaster
>there read it, he suggested that I should double the reflections.

>I asked him “Then you’re not going to cut my feed?”

>His response about your ancestry was fascinating.

That?

Please, that was a side shot.

The real thing is coming later.

BTW: You mailing bombing is now public on DEBATE just for the fun of
it.

There is nothing below the Mossad.

=====

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Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
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There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 14:30:34 PDT 1996
Article: 64764 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ‘Show us the scene of the crime.’
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:14:32 GMT
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On 8 Sep 1996 19:29:48 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
>> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> > Tell your handler that he has made another factual error. Several
>> >requests were made by the prosecution, especially at the later trials, to have
>sitre
>> >visits made to the KZ. Objection to such visits were were made by the
>lawyers for
>> >the *nazis.* The objections were sustained.

>> > The reason that no-one ever went to “the scene of the crime” is that
>> >the perpetrators did not want anybody to go there.

>> Don’t just say it, show it. Explicitly.

> I just did. I stated, explicitily, that all attempts to visit the site of a KZ
>was met with objections from counsel for the defendants. Those objections
>were sustained.

> If there is any part of this statement beyond your limited
>comprehension, indicate what it is.

The only source for this claim is YFE personally who learned it be
divine inspiration.
=====

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Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 14:30:35 PDT 1996
Article: 64765 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Crematorium Rates
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:14:52 GMT
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On Sun, 8 Sep 1996 05:17:13 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>[email protected] (tom moran) writes:

># Even though modern day cremation facilities take two
># and half hours to cremate one body,

>Senility, Tommy, is a sad thing to watch. You must have
>forgotten that the sources posted here – taken directly
>off the cremation web site – state that, when the furnace
>is already hot, cremation takes less than one hour.

The website said no such thing. That was a later invention by one of
you holohuggers.

>And, as has been pointed here numerous times, the Topf patent
>of 1953 estimates 30-45 minutes for cremation. Topf is the
>same firm that built the Auschwitz-Bireknau furnaces.

The subject is a design ten years older.

>As for putting more corpse than one in a single muffle – there’s
>no difficulty about that; this will not be done during normal
>cremation procedure, out of respect for the dead, but there’s
>no problem in doing it during “industrial cremation” as in
>the camps; moreover since there were many children and infants
>among the victims.

But as we know, the time is a direct function of the mass to be
burned, meaning that two bodies takes twice as long.

In any event we have been over this and much more.

The holocaust cremation stories can not be salvaged. That are clearly
nonsense.

=====

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Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 14:30:36 PDT 1996
Article: 64766 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Auschwitz photos deny the lie
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:14:48 GMT
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On Sun, 08 Sep 1996 01:32:54 +0000, Laurinda Stryker
wrote:

>tom moran wrote:
>>
>> In the Holocaust book “Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp” we
>> are given a photo with the caption: “Arrival and selection of
>> Hungarian Jews at Auschwitz, 1944. Credit: Yad Vashim, Jeruselem”.
>> The word “selection” is Holocaust vernacular is always used to
>> designate those who are selected to go to the gas chamber.

>[snip]

>> We are to assume from the “selection” word that either all the
>> women are to go off to the gas chamber but not the men, or vice versa,
>> when in fact the camp was segregated into mens camp and womens camp.

>Why are we to ‘assume’ this, Mr. Moran? Testimony consistently states
>that those arriving at Auschwitz were first divided by sex and then
>selected for labour or the gas.

>[snip]
>>
>> Also obvious is the womens camp in the righthand background, with
>> the fence that is clearly visible just 60 or 70 feet away. We can see
>> right through this fence to the womens barracks, which are just
>> another 60 or 70 feet away.

>[snip]

>Again, this is completely consistent with testimony. See, for
>example, Sara Nomberg-Przytyk, _Auschwitz: True Tales from a Grotesque
>Land_, ed. Eli Pfefferkorn and David H. Hirsch (Chapel Hill:
>University of North Carolina Press, 1985).

Was it nominated for a Hugo?
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It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 14:30:37 PDT 1996
Article: 64767 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Joel Rosenberg’s “Yiddish” Debating-Style
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:15:39 GMT
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On 9 Sep 1996 00:13:00 -0400, [email protected] (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>[email protected] (Ursus Major) wrote:

>>[email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>>>It’s called “lying” and it’s part of “not having any integrity”, and I’m
>sure
>>>you’re familiar with that, being George J. Lehmann and all.
>>>
>>>Get it?
>>>
>>>I didn’t think so.

>>Oh, I believe I compehend it sufficiently:

>>That you’re a sink-hole of hatred,
>>That the anti-Semite who coined the word “kike” had your MO in mind.
>>That following the dicta of the High Priestess, the issues are never
>> to be addressed, only insults proffered in lieu of argument.
>>That anything you CAN accuse one of, you WILL accuse one of.
>>That “debating” with you isn’t like trying to nail a glob of jelly;
>> it’s like trying to nail a glob of fecal material.
>>And that having to stand down-wind from you could be deemed a
>> “cruel and unusual punishment.”

>>That I understand quite well! U.M.-GJL.

>George, you are observing the “Yiddish style” of debate used by Joel
>Rosenberg and others. You have captured this phenomenon quite
>descriptively. There is little one could add. However here is a similar
>description of it by a very famous man:

>”The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic.

>”First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary and then, when
>their was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all
>this didn’t help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged,
>they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you
>accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and
>then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly
>what you were talking about.

>”Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a
>jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in
>the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these
>fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn’t help
>but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step
>forward, your amazement was great the next day.

>”The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled
>off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if
>indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn’t remember a thing,
>except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous
>day. [sounds like Keren. K.S.]

But Alec Grynspan is the master of it. He even admits he is doing it
while doing it.

>”Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn’t know what to be more
>amazed at: the agility of their tongues of their virtuosity at lying.”

>Kurt Stele

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 14:49:06 PDT 1996
Article: 64776 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Does the “A-Team” get paid?
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 20:21:00 GMT
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On 9 Sep 1996 15:44:06 GMT, [email protected] (william c
anderson) wrote:

>Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
>: On Sun, 08 Sep 1996 09:44:14 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>: >Yep. Having no leg to stand on on the subject of revisionism, Mr. Giwer
>: >has now decided to attack me and my son.
>:
>: You are the one who decided to use your son as part of this
>: discussion.
>:
>: Obviously, you have no better use for him.
>:
>: After all, he is only something that you are disgusted in having to
>: love.
>:
>: But now you have a use for him to pay you back for all the effort he
>: has forced you to endure.
>:
>: A typical Jew mother.

>I suggest that this be archived as the definitive rebuttal of the
>claim that “Holohuggers engage in personal attack and deniers never
>do.” In my many years on usenet, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a
>personal attack as vile and disgusting as this one.

She can speak for herself. Go away.

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 15:31:54 PDT 1996
Article: 64778 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 20:10:26 GMT
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On Mon, 09 Sep 1996 09:38:13 -0800, [email protected]
(Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>[snip]

>> >”What do you say to the fact that many Jewish publications also quoted
>> >this 4,000,000 figure for YEARS until the research made primarily by
>> >revisionist scholars embarrassed the hell out of them. Why did the Simon
>> >Wiesenthal Center keep silent on this figure until recently? Could MONEY
>> >have anything to do with it?”
>>
>> >I would like you to answer the following without prevarication:
>>
>> >(1) why you made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding the SWC
>>
>> It has a basis of course. THat is why Nizkor was and may still be
>> illegally soliciting contributions while carrying such insane stories
>> that claim “manical laughter” could be heard above aircraft engines,
>> that the faces of the pilots could be seen through closed wagons.
>> It is the same reason the tabloids publish articles about space aliens
>> trapped in refrigerators eating their own foot. It sells. Learn that
>> tabloid journalism sells.

>So tell me this:

>(1) What is that basis. Don’t say it has been posted. It hasn’t. Tell me
>what that basis is for the claim.

No. It has been posted. It is no longer the policy of revisionists
to back up for the idiot holohuggers here.

>(2) Where is your proof that Nizkor is ilegally soliciting contributions.
>Don’t say it has been posted. It hasn’t.

Alec Grynspan, et al. provided it at the time. Look it up. It may no
longer be true.

>(3) Show me the articles where it says clearly that ‘manical laughter
>could be heard above aircraft engines.’ Don’t say it has been posted. It
>hasn’t.

Read the friggin mail. I have posted it so many times the liars lie
AG has called it spamming.

Stop playing as stupid as you are.

>(4) Show me the articles where it says ‘the faces of the pilots could be
>seen through closed wagons.’ Also, please provide, with documentation, a
>description of a closed wagon. Don’t say it has been posted. It hasn’t.

As above.

If you are not going to read this conference, I am not going to take
care of your deficiencies. Catch up on your own time.

=====

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 15:31:55 PDT 1996
Article: 64781 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 20:11:45 GMT
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On Mon, 09 Sep 1996 16:41:59 -0800, [email protected]
(Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>(Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> Sorry, shithead. Holohuggers here are still claiming that there were
>> gas chambers at Dachau where there never were any. They are
>> supporting the 1945 -1955 US Army lie that there were gas chambers at
>> Dachau.

>A gas chamber existed. It was never used (according to a survivor of that
>death camp.)

You are simply an idiot. Give it up and go away and take your stupid
handle with you.

>> What specifically is your problem? If it is that there were gas
>> chambers at Dachau take it up with those who would continue the 40
>> year old discredited lie, not me.

>[incoherent .sig deleted]

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 15:31:55 PDT 1996
Article: 64782 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Typed signatures are real signatires, the kangaroo court continues
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THIS IS YOUR IMT: A Defendant Takes the Stand

COL AMEN: Will you answer that, Defendant? You deny this document
just like
you have denied every other document that has been shown to you today,
is
that correct?

KALTENBRUNNER: I already stated yesterday, and also told my defense
counsel,
that these documents were never submitted to me. […]

THE PRESIDENT: I do not understand. Are you saying that the
signature on
the document is not yours, or that you might have signed it without
looking
at the decree? Which are you saying?

KALTENBRUNNER: Your Lordship, this document and this decree was never
submitted to me. To sign such a document would have been completely
against
my inner attitude towards the entire problem. […]

THE PRESIDENT: I am not asking you what your inner attitude is. I am
asking
whether the name on it is written in your hand.

KALTENBRUNNER: No.

THE PRESIDENT: The Tribunal would like to look at the document.

COL AMEN: It is a typewritten signature, Your Lordship.

IMT XI, p. 364

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From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 15:31:56 PDT 1996
Article: 64783 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Nitskor is a German derivative word.
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Ausrotten again
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 20:23:04 GMT
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On Mon, 09 Sep 1996 21:08:06 GMT, [email protected] (Miloslav
Bilik) wrote:

>[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:

>> As has been discussed in depth here, the polish report is worthless as
>>it has only one data point.

>THREE datas for each point. Reread it:

>

>Auschwitz cellars of Block 11
> 13 28, 24, 24
> 14 20, 16, 16
> 15 0

>

>You see: three points except if the data is null (one null point means
>that the three are too, even if not). Ever three points in any other
>case.

>Do you understand ? or is it too hard ?

Read it again. The 0 was taken from the “once or never” places
without discrimination thust they could all have been from teh “never”
places in which case there is no datat point.

Or is that too hard for you?

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There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause

From [email protected] Thu Sep 12 16:55:29 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: another failure
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 20:31:20 GMT
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The liar Ken McVay has failed again along with his gang of
holohuggers.

The animals have failed again with their lies.

They will do anything to silence the truth.

They are truly animals, all the holohuggers.

They have no integrity.

They have no morals.

They lie as it suits their needs.

It is clear they are all holohuggers, immoral liars all of them.
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There’s no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you’re stealing

There’s no business like Shoah business
It’s like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can’t you hear the rabbis when they’re pleading
For more donations to their cause