Gate net, Giwer Matt

Strange as it may seem to holohuggers, rather than Birkenau being an out of
the way place to do the gassing, it was larger than Auschwitz and the
distance between the two was less than the length of Birkenau.

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From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:18:40 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Danny Li)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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[email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Hardwire
><[email protected]> wrote:

>> Marduk wrote:
>> >
>> > Was he booted off ATT???
>> >
>> > Inquiring minds want to know.
>>
>> Yes, he was. Thanks to you and those like you.
>>
>> It must be nice to be able to post whatever you like, and deny those
>> others with differing opinions by forcing them off of their providers
>> through repeated complaints to their ISP.
>>

>Oh, I see. In other words, you’re saying that you SUPPORT Mr. Giwer’s RIGHT
>to FORGE?!
>
>No one has EVER denied Mr. Giwer’s right to post whatever drivel he wants
>to. In fact, he was a great source of amusement here.
>
>However, Mr. Giwer violated the rules of his ISP blatantly and often.
>
>This is a world in which freedom must come with responsibility. I believe
>that learning and accepting the consequences of your behavior is something
>that should be understood by age 5.
>
>Break a law, receive the consequence.
>
>What is so difficult to understand about that?

Silly woman.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:28:04 PDT 1996
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On 15 Oct 1996 14:27:48 GMT, [email protected] (Peter Herngaard) wrote:

>http://www.geocities.com/Athen/Acropolis/1406/
>Very interesting, don’t know who put this disgusting book online, but I
>found them using ALTA VISTA.

It is no longer there. But have you ever read it? And if not, you have no
personal knowledge of it.

=====
Niz-kor made this happen
Read the information holohuggers fear
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism (page does not exist)
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security (page does not exist)
http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side (page does not exist)
http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there (page does not exist)
htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE (page does not exist)

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:29:35 PDT 1996
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[email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:

>—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—–

>Salman Rushdie <[email protected]> writes:
>>I’m quite sure that a lackey of zion such as yourself thinks anyone who says
>>jews aren’t a o.k., or that jews are ‘bad’ is termed an anti-semite. Oh well.

> That’s the definition of `anti-semite’.

No definition, namecall. Maybe true. How know?

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:30:48 PDT 1996
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Silly people make such much of fool thing.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:34:25 PDT 1996
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[email protected] (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Oct 1996 23:35:24 -0700, [email protected] (Rajiv K.
>Gandhi) wrote:

>>Surely you jest, my good man. My Apple is a wondrous beast – the only thing
>>it doesn¹t do is floss my teeth.

>Too bad. The ability to floss your teeth with it would give the Apple some
>versitility it does not otherwise have. I had one once. Sold it to a friend.
>He uses it as a boat anchor

Apple is carp crap. Good only for children before they learn.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:34:34 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Danny Li)
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Brian Harmon <[email protected]> wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:
>>
>> [email protected] (Fatbroad! (OFB)) wrote:
>[Idaho Hoax piece snipped]

>> The problem with the satire is that the Holocaust not only fails to present positive
>> evidence for its occurrence, but that it also fails to account for events that
occurred
>> that would not have had the “holocaust” been true. The latter deficiency is more
>> damaging.
>>
>> Kurt Stele

>Examples, Kurt? What events took place that could not
>have happened if the Holocaust took place?

Fool question. No one care about Idaho. Don’t believe, go visit. Silly people on
silly questions. No one cares about holocast but can’t go visit. Can’t visit, no one
care. It is gone.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:40:21 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: FORGERY ALERT
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On 17 Oct 1996 19:20:14 GMT, [email protected] (Ken McVay) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:

>>He’ll probably deny it, claiming he was fighting off the Marduks;

>It matters not – troll posts, cancels toast. End of problem.

>Round One: Troll 0, Cancels 46 (July 1996)
>Round Two: Troll 0, Cancels 109 (October 1996)

>Round Three promises to be far more interesting, although the
>result will be exactly the same.

It is always of note when holohuggers advertise the silencing of the dissenters by means
other than open debate.

It is not as though there is any secret as to the objectives or the means.

It is all that holohuggers are capable of doing.

They are such scum.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:40:37 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Danny Li)
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On 17 Oct 1996 21:44:36 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
>> Ironically, in a discussion of his attempts at forgery, Matt Giwer tries
>> yet ANOTHER forgery, this time Dr. Keren. And again, he spells the name
>> incorrectly.

>> I suppose this is his “excuse,” that he is not spelling the name
>> accurately, so it really isn’t forged.
>
>> His motives are obvious, and I hope worldnet.att.net will do something
>> about it soon.

> They did. Giwer’s account was terminated Monday. This was *before* his
>current spate of forgeries.

You have a very serious problem with chronolgy.

But keep wasting your time and effort with your jew harrassment.

You are sick and disgusting.

And you are jew.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:41:30 PDT 1996
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[email protected] (Alec Grynspan) wrote:

><*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
><+[Re: The “revisionist” retreat] [23 Oct 96 01:29][*][0]*>

> >> big mistake in his path tricks lately. He’ll discovere what
> >> soon enough.

> H> I think the quote above pretty much speaks for itself.

>AYUP!

>”Matt Giwer – condemned to being a fool by his own words.”

> H> “Erase the hate.” Or at least, that’s what we tell our
> H> children.

>What hate?

>”Since Matt Giwer knows that no one loves him, he tries for hate as
>an alternative – but gets laughter instead. To hate, one must admit
>that the object of hatred is worth hating. Matt couldn’t even get
>that from anyone but his own reflected self! Only Matt Giwer hates
>Matt Giwer – a sickness indeed.”

Fof such a cooperative person in the response to David Dahlman, considering we were such
comrades in arms so to speak, it is strange that you would betray your previous trust.
But then, that is Mossad for you.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:41:31 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Danny Li)
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Subject: keep the lastes version moving – holo.zip (0/1)
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Here is the lastest review of the holocaust.

Please do not let it stop here. Unzip in a single directory and browse.

Carry it where you wish only if without modification.

This is getting to be fun.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:50:12 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Danny Li)
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On Thu, 17 Oct 1996 19:19:59 +0100, Dene Bebbington <[email protected]> wrote:

>Mr Giwer, I will be perfectly happy to answer such a question as long as
>you stop masquerading as other posters by forging email return
>addresses. I’m not prepared to argue points like this with someone
>playing pathetic games in an attempt at spreading propoganda and causing
>confusion.

Yes, we know you are full of shit.

You did not object when Ken McVay pretended to post from Nizkor when in fact he was
posted from a defense contractor, 1B Systems.

>Your shoddy antics as evidenced on these newsgroups in itself partially
>answers your question, since your obfuscatory techniques may lead some
>unaware lurkers to the mistaken conclusion that the people you are
>pretending to be actually said what they didn’t. Insidious is a word
>that describes your games.

>And another point, don’t dictate to me how I should reply, my answer if
>I elaborate any further will be on my terms and not yours.

And, yes, we know you are not capable of answering the mail. And this we are the
revisionists united against holohuggery.

You attacked. You made it a struggle.

We are going to bring you down in more than just this little conference.

Whether or not you know you are dead meat now, it is only a matter of time before you
learn it in fact.

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On 17 Oct 1996 16:30:30 +0200, [email protected] (Michel Fingerhut) wrote:

>[email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes about the problems of Giwer:

>>posted/e-mailed to [email protected]

>I’d suggest to CC the following addresses:

> Gardner, Pat, [email protected] (Billing Contact of ATT.NET)
> Holland, William H., [email protected] (Admin. Contact for ATT)

Why are you encouraging such false and malicious harrassment?

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<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>A Message Zionist Leaders
Ignored</TITLE><HEAD>

<body text=”#000000″ bgcolor=”#ffffff”>

<center><font size=+1>A Message Zionist Leaders
Ignored</font></center>

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; The message Nahum Goldmann
thought he remembered from Warsaw about bombing concentration
camps and railways, actually came more than a year later from
Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandel, a rescue worker operating in
Slovakia. If anyone thinks some 3CR programs speak too strongly,
let them study this message:

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; May 15, 1944 – In a cave near
Lublin. Sholom and Greetings. We send you this special message to
inform you that yesterday the Germans began the deportation of
Jews from Hungary. It is the beginning of deportation of all the
Hungarian Jews.

<blockquote><font color=”#fff00ff”>

Now here is a man living in a cave reporting the movement of
people that he can not possibly have witnessed. If it was
“reported” to him, it is unclear how people had covered hundreds
of miles from Hungary to Poland AND witnessed these events AND
gotten back to report them in the time frame he later relates.

<P>

It is not clear from the topography of the region that there
can be caves in the region.

</font></blockquote>

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; Every day, twelve thousand
souls are being taken off. Four deportations of forty-five such
train-loads move daily out of Hungary. Within twenty-six days all
that area will have been deported.

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; The deported ones go to
Auschwitz to be put to death by cyanide gas. A great number are
dead on arrival. The Germans allow a few of the strongest to stay
alive.

<blockquote><font color=”#ff00ff”>

Note first the common gassing of all but the strong story. If it
is true then it was observed. Remember this for later.

</blockquote></font>

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; Those who are allowed to live
are branded with a number burned into their arm and the Star of
David burned into their chest.

<blockquote><font color=”#ff00ff”>

Note here the observation of something else that is not otherwise
reported or known or observed. Note further, without my
commentary they would be in the same paragraph. There are NO
other reports of branding. One may consider it possible in the
wildest exercise of the imagination to confused tattoing with
branding as at least there have been some tattooed numbers found.
There have been no Stars of David found in any form much less
branded.

</blockquote></font>

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; Most of these privileged ones
die within a month. Others take their place.

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; Those who go directly from the
train to the gas chambers to be suffocated are not branded. They
are completely consumed in the ovens and leave no evidence
behind. These are 95% of each transport.

<blockquote><font color=”#ff00ff”>

Another impossibility reported that could not possibly have been
observed. Suffocation has been rejected even by the most ardent
holocaust supporters. Branding has never been observed.
Complete consumption in ovens does not occur. <a
href=”amount.html”>The amount of evidence left behind is
astonishing</a>.

</blockquote></font>

The dead bodies are burned in specially made ovens. Each oven
burns 12 bodies an hour. In February there were 36 ovens burning.
We have learned that more have been built.

<blockquote><font color=”#ff00ff”>

Impossible burning rates are reported. Consider that today it
takes at least two hours to cremate the average body. These
ovens are known to be state of the art in the early 1940s in
Germany. They are known to be less efficient than ovens of
today.

<P>

The claim of 12 in one hour as opposed to the best today of
1 in two hours is 24 times faster than is possible today.

</blockquote></font>

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; Information supplied us by a
few eyewitnesses reveals that in February there were four
disposal buildings. We have learned that more have been built
since then.

<blockquote><font color=”#ff00ff”>

And a report that more than four HAVE BEEN built. In absense of
Kremas VI on up the fabrication is obvious which of course brings
into question the first four as another fabrication. As to the
fabrication, the prior discription demonstrates the report is not
based upon observation.

<P>

Today no one claims more that four Kremas cum gas chambers
even though the “gassing rooms” of III and IV do not exist on
aerial photos of Birkenau.

</blockquote></font>

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; Formerly, the Germans killed
and burned the Jews in the Forest of Birkenwald, near Auschwitz.
Now the killing and burning take place in the buildings shown on
the enclosed map.

<blockquote><font color=”#ff00ff”>

The killing and burning was clearly “IN THE Forest” but later in
buildings. Another clear fabrication. It is unfortunate we do
not have a copy of the map to add to the laugh fest.

<P>

More specifically, this is a one of a kind claim of
extermination and cremation. It is another example of an
“eyewitness” giving enough detail to be proven a liar. <A
href=”wash.html”>But perhaps there is a method to his
madness</a>.

</blockquote></font>

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; In December, the Germans built
special trains to transport the Jews of Hungary to their
extermination.

<blockquote><font color=”#ff00ff”>

It is interesting that special trains were BUILT in this story
when it is usually cattle cars. I am sort of surprised it was
not pig cars, a touch the storyteller did not think of.

</blockquote></font>

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; This is the schedule of
Auschwitz, from yesterday to the end; twelve thousand Jews – men,
women and children, old men, infants, healthy and sick ones – are
to be suffocated daily and their bones and ashes are to be used
to fertilize the German fields.

<blockquote><font color=”#ff00ff”>

Changing the story in midstream, where first there was no
evidence, now there are bones and ashes that fertilize the
fields. One more ingredient to the fantasy is added. This is
not to say it was not possible but rather other stories have the
ashes disposed of in the river, local lakes and ponds, buried,
and used on icy streets in the winter.

<P>

This is also the source of one of the many explanations as
to where all the ashes went. Save that with all of the <A
href=”amount.html”>thousands of tons of ashes</a> one has to
choose, as historians have done, the river explanation as the
most likely as it explains the lack of ashes. This is another
example <a href=”history.html”>of how writers about the holocaust
have help create the story in dropping references to the hard to
explain parts of the stories.</a>

<P>

Beyond that if this was all a dark secret but the camp was
giving away thousands of tons of fertilizer and coke ash to
farmers so it was certainly not a secret. While it is unlikely
that farmers could tell the source of the bone ash, the
alternative is animals and the camp did not keep livestock.

</blockquote></font>

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; And you – our brothers in
Palestine, in all the countries of freedom, and you, ministers of
all the kingdom – how do you keep silent in the face of this
great murder ?

<blockquote><font color=”#ff00ff”>

Note here that is an appeal to the Zionists on one hand and a
condemnation of them on the other. There is a zionist jew
collaborator involved in this story helping the Nazis. I’ll get
around to posting that some day.

</blockquote></font>

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; Silent while thousand on
thousands, reaching now to six million Jews, were murdered.

<blockquote><font color=”#ff00ff”>

And here we have it. A secret German operation that included the
EG and this cave man KNOWS the number of six million even before
it reaches there. It does suggest that all of these holocaust
“researchers” have still not done any better than a man sitting
in a cave in 1944.

<P>

There is no question in my mind that is a matter of time until I
find <a href=”6holo.html”>a primary, mystical source for six
million dead</a> that even predates the post WW I speech by the
governor of New York. It simply shows up in too many impossible
places not to have a primary and unrelated source.

</blockquote></font>

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; And silent now while tens of
thousands are still being murdered and waiting to be murdered?
Their destroyed hearts cry to you for help as they bewail your
cruelty. Brutal you are and murderers too you are, because of the
cold-bloodedness of the silence in which you watch.

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; Because you sit with folded
arms and you do nothing, though you could stop or delay the
murder of Jews at this very hour.

<blockquote><font color=”#ff00ff”>

The Zionists, their fellow Jews, will do nothing to help them.

</blockquote></font>

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; In the name of the blood of the
thousands on thousands who have been murdered we beg, we plead,
we cry out and demand that you take action, that you do deeds now
– at once !

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; That the Ministers of Kingdoms
and all the Lands raise a loud and piercing outcry that must
enter the ears of the world, the ears of the German people, the
ears of the Hungarian people. Let them cry out a warning to the
German murderers. Let them proclaim that they know all that has
been done in the past, and that which is still being done. And
the Pope, himself, should join in this cry of outrage against the
German murderers.

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; Let this outcry be heard over
all the radios and read in all the newspapers of the world, that
unless they stop at once the deportations of Hungary’s Jews –
then will Germany be forever exiled from civilisation.

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; We ask that the crematoria in
Auschwitz be bombed from the air. They are sharply visible, as
shown on the enclosed map.

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; Such bombing will delay the
work of the German murderers.

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; What is more important – to
bomb persistently all the roads leading from Eastern Hungary to
Poland and to bomb persistently the bridges in the neighborhood
of Karpatarus. Drop all other business to get this done. Remember
that one day of your idleness kills twelve thousand souls.

<blockquote><font color=”#ff00ff”>

For many years, jewish organizations and writers and their fellow
holohuggers have delighted in claiming that Churchill, Roosevelt
and even the Pope knew all about what was happening and not
helping. Now we find that exactly that complaint was first
leveled against the Zionist Jews.

<P>

And even were those notables informed at least Churchill nad
Roosevelt<A href= “http://www.air-photo.com/photos/index.html”>
had aerial photos the places Auschwitz-Birkenau and there is no
indication of it happening</a>, of anything unusual happening.

</blockquote></font>

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; You, our brothers, sons of
Israel, are you insane? Don’t you know the Hell around us? For
whom are you saving your money?

<blockquote><font color=”#ff00ff”>

Money? What a jewish stereotype for one jew to use against
another.

</blockquote></font>

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; How is it that all our
pleadings affect you less than the whimpering of a beggar
standing in your doorway? Murderers! Madmen! Who is it that gives
charity? You who toss a few pennies from your safe homes? Or we
who give our blood in the depths of Hell?

<blockquote><font color=”#ff00ff”>

Note the names the Zionists are being called here. Yet today
anyone who would simply point this out would be called
anti-semitic. If someone were to use the same words it would be
worse.

<P>

How the language has been perverted to vastly <a
href=”antisem.html”>extend the meaning of the term anti-semitism
is in another article</a>.

</blockquote></font>

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; There is only one thing that
may be said in your exoneration – that you do not know the truth.
This is possible. The villain does his job so shrewdly that only
a few guess the truth. We have told you the truth several times.
Is it possible that you believe our murderers more than you
believe us? May God open your eyes and give you heart to rescue
in these last hours the remainder.

<blockquote><font color=”#ff00ff”>

This is where the jew collaborator comes into another facet of
the story.

</blockquote></font>

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; Most important is that which I
write about the bombing of the Auschwitz Crematoria and the
bridges leading to them.

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; Such bombing can vitally delay
the evil work of our slaughterers. And God who keeps alive the
last remnant of Israel will show His mercy for which I pray. I
pray as I write out of the sea of tears of the people of Israel.
We wait God’s help.

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; One from the Market who
witnesses the woes of his people”

<P>

(Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandel, Exhibit of the Defence, no. 36,
State Attorney v. M. Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem,
CC124/53)

<P>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; During the Kastner case,
Menachem Bader of the Jewish Agency was asked ‘Did you receive
this letter from Rabbi Weissmandel?”

<P>

He answered:
<P>
“Letters like this came to us every day”.

<blockquote><font color=”#ff00ff”>

One can take that answer in many ways. That such obvious
fabrications came in every day or that Zionists ignored stories
of the murder of jews every day. It certainly points a rich
source of impossible holocaust legend if we could find a
collection those letters. Certainly more prescient announcements
of six million are expected.

<P>

</blockquote></font>

=====
Niz-kor made this happen
Read the information holohuggers fear
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there
htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:14:58 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Danny Li)
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Kimberley Ahlf <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Oct 1996, Kurt Stele wrote:

>> Kimberley Ahlf <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >through his deliberately obvious forgeries. Having lost every debate in
>> >which he engaged, having no means of graceful retreat, Mr. Giwer in all
>> >likelihood forged in hopes of getting caught so that he could meet a
>> >martyr’s end. He has, as evidenced by the remaining deniers who are
>> >willing to participate in this simpleton’s ruse by rallying around him.
>>
>> You claim “Giwer lost evey debate he engaged in”?
>>
>> Bwahahahahahahaha!
>>
>> Kurt Stele
>>

>Gosh, you caught me Kurt! No, I didn’t read every debate Matt engaged in,
>so I’m just generalizing when I assume he debated just as poorly and
>unsuccessfully in those threads that I didn’t read as in those that I did
>read.

>All of the debates should exist on Nizkor, though, so if you’d like to go
>back and find an exception which contradicts my generalization, go on. But
>don’t let this interfere with your ongoing search for evidence supporting
>your earlier assertions that the Jews caused World Wars I and II, (you
>didn’t forget, did you?)

>In Matt Giwer you have chosen a perfect hero, Mr. Stele, someone whose
>ethics and abilities can truly inspire you as you pursue your ignoble
>goals.

Silly woman think anyone care about matt Giwer. He have you chasing tail. Own tail.
American woman supposed to be smarter.

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From [email protected] Sat Oct 26 00:14:47 PDT 1996
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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

:In Ho”ss’s absence, Camp Commander SS Captain Karl Fritzsch uses the gas
:Zyklon B to Kill Russian POW’s.**

:* This most likely happens at the end of August because Ho”ss is present
:at the next killing of Russian POW’s and the Polish prisoners in the
:cellar of Block 11.

I do wish to thank you for a fourth contradictory discussion of the “discovery” of the
utility of Z-B. Would you like a credit line?

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“I guess all the Holocaust stuff really MUST be phony! Well, what do you
know? I mean, if it was true and these Revisionists were just making all
their arguments up, why would these Nizkor kooks react like this, with all
this foul language and name-calling and threatening? Why else would these
European countries send people to prison for asking questions? They must
have something to hide.”

From [email protected] Sat Oct 26 13:07:33 PDT 1996
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