Fleisher 0896-3, Fleisher Bud

Bud wrote:
>
> Michael Swihart wrote:
> >
> > tom moran wrote:
> > >
> > > [email protected](Annie Alpert) wrote:
> > >
> > > >In <[email protected]> bud writes:
> > >
> > > >Classic straw man — an attempt to set up a flawed argument that
> > > >can easily be struck down. Look up anti-Semite in the dictionary
> > > >– not ANTI + SEMITE, mind you. Anti-Semite has a specific
> > > >meaning. it was, in fact coined in England in the late 1800’s by
> > > >a self-professed Jew-hater to describe his feelings. Webster: a
> > > >person who is hostile to Jews.
> > >
> > > “Anti-Semite” Anyone hostile to Jews, might be a dictionary
> > > definition, but going by other definitions of Semite, we could say it
> > > is also one who is hostile to Arabs.
> >
> > By similar reasoning, one could also say that the “Big Ten” has ten
> > universities and the “Midwest” is in the western part of the USA.
> >
> > (For those who are unaware, the Big Ten has 11 universities,
> > and the Midwest is in the eastern half the USA.)
> >
> > As it turns out, the dictionary is merely recording how people actually
> > use the word. If the word is a poor fit, blame the Jew-hater that
> > invented the misnomer.
> >
> > M.Swihart
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Note: I do not speak for my company, nor they for me.
>
> Here’s Webster’s definition of the term. Problems with it, send them a
> letter!
> —
> “The judgement of history depends on who writes it” (Richard Nixon)

an-ti-Sem-ite (an tee sem’iet, an tie-; esp. Brit. -see’miet)
n.
1. a person who discriminates against or is
prejudiced or hostile toward Jews.
[1880-85]

“The judgement of history depends on who writes it” (Richard Nixon)

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William Edward Woody wrote:
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> [email protected] (Doug O’Neal) wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]> bud writes:
> > > … If you believe when you walk into a
> > > room and see a chair there, perfectly suited for you to sit in and use,
> > > yet believe it just “evolved” there rather than somebody constructing
> > > it…
> >
> > This is a tremendously flawed analogy. Chairs neither reproduce themselves
> > nor struggle with other chairs for the resources necessary to survive. Nor
> > have they been under pressure to adapt to their environments for hundreds
> > of millions of years.

and this isn’t “faith” you’re expressing? If not, I’d like to see the
polaroid snapshots you have of these events. Maybe the eyewitnesses?
Somebody you know who is still alive after those “millions of years”
you’re expressing “faith” but you just don’t want to call it that.

>
> Obviously someone who never saw my apartment when I was living alone.
>
> *grin*

Okay — cute, but…

Hope you read my posting “theory in crisis” and see how many other
Evolutionists don’t have a much “faith” as others…
Regards — Bud

>
> – Bill
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“The judgement of history depends on who writes it” (Richard Nixon)

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Jay McCullough wrote:
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> >I think we can solve all your problems
> with the (mis???) usage of the word anti-semite Bud.
> How about we just settle for bigot?
>
> Webster definition of bigot
>
> Bigot
> 1. one who is unreasonably and blindly attached
> to a particular creed, church church party or opinion.
>
> 2. one who is bitterly intolerant of the opinions of others
>
> 3 (pay special attention here Bud) one who is odiously hostile
> to people of a different race religion etc.
>
> usage- Bud is a bigot.

definition of bigot from Webster’s: (which one are you using, Jay?)
big-ot (big’uht) n.
1. a person who is extremely intolerant of
another’s creed, belief, or opinion.
[1590-1600; < MF (OF: derogatory name applied by
the French to the Normans), perh. < OE bi God by
God]

Jay… that sound familar? Anyone reading your posting knows who’s the
bigot now, don’t we?
>
> Bigot Bud carries water for the bigoted Rev.
>
> See how easy that was?

Yes, I imagine you find it much harder to address the issues
and the information.
>
> In Christ
> Jay

not in Christ, Jay. just incensed with nonsense. Try to relax and
address the issues and avoid the adhomenims.

“The judgement of history depends on who writes it” (Richard Nixon)

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Royce Buehler wrote:
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> In article <[email protected]>, bud writes:
> > Fr. John W. Morris wrote:
> > >
> > > Royce Buehler wrote in article
> > > <[email protected]>…
> > > > Jews control the courts. Jews instantly brainwash everyone who steps
> > > > into a jury box with their little secret brainwashing rays.
>
> > > >
> > > Fr. John W. Morris responds:
> > >
> > > If you really believe the above, you are seriously in need of professional
> > > help.
> >
> > Although I can be positive, I think you’ve got the wrong guy here. From
> > what I know of Royce Buehler he would not have written what you say he
> > did. Check it out again.
>
> Father Morris got the attribution right, but he didn’t read the post
> very carefully. It was me who wrote it, but it was a satirical description
> of the views expressed by Paul Goddard, and the context made that
> extremely clear. In no way did it represent my own views.
>
> After all, if the Jews ever *did* decide to take over the world, first
> they’d have to come to agreement on the action plan. When they’ve shaved
> the number of parties in the Knesset down to five or six, those inclined
> to worry over such nonsense will have my permission to worry. 🙂
>
> I do thank you, Bud, for looking out for other poster’s reputations.
> Although this was a different problem, mistaken attributions can
> cause unnecessary friction.
> —
> Royce Buehler [email protected] (617)-253-9766
> “Comme un fou se croit Dieu, nous nous croyons mortels”
> — Pierre Delalande

Ah hah! I sort of thought so. Thanks for replying. Everyone knows
that only one in every 4 Jews can hypnotize the people in the pews…
🙂 !!… As for the friction and such, don’t I know it! I know I post
controversial views, but they are either questions I think deserve
consideration, or matters I have convictions about (which you know
about). If it offends, well… In no case, however, do I condone some of
the things I’m accused of condoning (violence, etc.). I just look for
some balance in some matters which apparently don’t have one, and if that
offends some, well… You see, Royce, I think SOME of the revisionists
have raised SOME good questions. I don’t like when people resort to
adhomenims or even to trying to have the opposition thrown in jail.
These things are not to be settled in that manner. They are (or should)
be settled in the same way Christian apologists must do — discussion of
the evidence and proper debate and opportunity for both to have their say
without fear of oppression.

“There are three sides to every divorce… His, Hers, and the Truth!”
(sounds like Henny Youngman, but who knows…?)

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THE PROBLEM WITH EVOLUTION
“The only competing explanation for the order we all see in the
biological world is the notion of Special Creation.” (Niles Eldredge,
Ph.D., paleontologist and Evolutionist, American Museum of Natural
History).

“We must ask first whether the theory of evolution by natural selection
is scientific or pseudoscientific (metaphysical)… Taking the first part
of the theory, that evolution has occurred, it says that the history of
life is a single process of species-splitting and progression. This
process must be unique and unrepeatable, like the history of England.
This part of the theory is therefore a historical theory, about unique
events, and unique events are, by definition, NOT PART OF SCIENCE, for
they are unrepeatable and so not subject to test. (Evolutionist Dr.
Colin Patterson, “Evolution” [London; British Museum of Natural History,
1978, pp. 145-146) Emphasis added.

“So even the fossil evidence on which theories depend is open to
subjective interpretation.” (Robert Martin, paleontologist and
Evolutionist, “Man is Not An Onion”, New Scientist, Vol. 75, no. 1063 pp.
283-285)

“As a result of all this, the main efforts of investigators have been in
papering over holes in the big bang theory, to build up an idea that has
become ever more complex and cumbersome…I HAVE LITTLE HESITATION IN
SAYING THAT A SICKLY PALL NOW HANGS OVER THE BIG BANG THEORY. When a
pattern of facts become set against a theory, experience shows that the
theory rarely recovers.” (Evolutionist Sir Fred Hoyle, famous British
astronomer and cosmologist. “The Bib Ban Theory Under Attack” Science
Digest, Vol. 92 (May 1984), p. 84 (emphasis added)).

“The time asymmetry of the universe is expressed by the second law of
thermodynamics, that entropy increases with time as order is transformed
into disorder. The mystery is not that an ordered state should become
disordered but that the early universe was in a highly ordered state
(p.39,d.Page)
“There is no mechanism know as yet that would allow the universe to begin
in an arbitrary state and then evolve to its present highly-oriented
state” (p. 40 D. Page, Physicist at Pennsylvania State University,
Evolutionist. “Inflation Does not Explain Time Asymmetry,” Nature, Vol.
304 (July 7, 1983).

“I think however that we must go further than this and admit that the
only accepted explanation is CREATION. I know that this is an anathema
to physicists, as indeed it is to me, but we must not reject a theory
that we do not like IF THE EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE SUPPORTS IT.”
(Evolutionist and professor H.J. Lipson F.R.S “A Physicist looks at
Evolution,” Physics Bulletin vol. 31 (1980), p. 138 emphasis added.

“The wonder is… that there should be a universe at all, with the laws
and plan and apparent purpose.” (Evolutionist Wilder Penfield, O.M.
Litt.B., M.D., F.R.S. “The Mystery of the Mind, Princeton, New Jersey,
Princeton University Press, 1975, p. 73)

“Living organism, however, differ from inanimate matter by the degree of
complexity of their systems and by the POSSESSION OF A GENETIC PROGRAM…
The genetic instructions packaged in an embryo direct the formation of an
adult, whether it be a tree, a fish, or a human. THE PROCESS IS
GOAL-DIRECTED, BUT FROM THE INSTRUCTION IN THE GENETIC PROGRAM, NOT FROM
THE OUTSIDE. NOTHING LIKE IT EXISTS IN THE INANIMATE WORLD.” (Ernst
Mayr, Ph.D., Evolutionist, Ernst Mayr in Roger Lewin, “Biology Is Not
Postage Stamp Collecting,” Science, Vol. 216, # 4547(May 14, 1982), pp.
718-720, emphasis added.

‘The Carbon-14 contents of the shells of snails of melanoides
tuberculatus LIVING TODAY in the artesian springs in southern Nevada
indicate an apparent age of 27,000 years. (Alan C. Riggs, Science, Vol.
224, April 6, 1984, pp. 58-61. Emphasis added.

Dried seal carcasses less than 30 years old “dated” as old as 6,400
years, and a freshly killed seal “dated” at 1300 years old. (W. Dort,
Jr., “mummified seals of southern Victoria Land” Antarctic Journal of the
United States, Vol. 6 (1971), p. 210 + (also, “when the blood of a seal
freshly killed a McMurdo Sound in the Antarctic was tested by Carbon-14,
it showed the seal had died 1,300 years ago”).

“It should be noted that dates (absolute dates) obtained by different
methods (radioactive dating methods) COMMONLY SHOW SOME DISCREPANCIES…
As the Committed on the Measurement of Geological Time said in 1950,
“These figures (i.e. dates) are AS RAILWAY TIMETABLES SAY, SUBJECT TO
CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE. (D.G.A. Whitten and J.R.V. Brooks, “The Penguin
Dictionary of Geology, Middlesex, England, Penguin Books, 1972, emphasis
added.

Volcanic eruption of 1800 on Hualalai Island, Hawaii, produced rocks
which falsely “dated” 160 million to 3 billion years. (John G.
Funkhauser and John J Naughton, “Radiogenic Helium and Argon in
Ultramatic Inclusions From Hawaii” Journal of Geophysical Research, vol.
73, # 14, July 16, 1968, pp. 4601-4607.

“…How life originated, I am afraid that SINCE PASTEUR, THIS QUESTION IS
NOT WITHIN THE SCIENTIFIC DOMAIN. (Peter Mora, “Urge and Molecular
Biology,” Nature, Vol. 199, #4890 July 20, 1963, P 212 emphasis added.

“No matter how numerous they may be, mutations do not produce any kind of
Evolution” (Pierre-Paul Grosse, Evolutionist)

“Considering the way the PREBIOTIC SOUP is referred to in so many
discussions of the origin of life as an already established reality, it
comes as something of a shock to realize that THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO
POSITIVE EVIDENCE FOR ITS EXISTENCE.” (Michael Denton, “Evolution: A
Theory In Crisis”, Bethesda, Maryland: Adler and Adler Publishers, 1985)
p. 261, emphasis added.

“The probability…of the convergent evolution of TWO proteins with
approximately the SAME structure and function is TOO LOW TO BE PLAUSIBLE,
EVEN WITH ALL POSSIBLE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE PRESENT WHICH SEEM TO HEIGHTEN
THE LIKELIHOOD OF SUCH CONVERGENCE. If this is so, then the plausibility
of a random evolution to two or more different but functionally related
proteins seems hardly greater.” (Evolutionist Paul Erbich, “On the
Probability of the Emergence of a Protein with a Particular Function”
Acta Biotheoretic, Vol. 34 (1985), pp. 53-80 quote is from the abstract
with emphasis added.

“The set of genetic instructions for humans is roughly THREE BILLION
LETTERS LONG.” (Genetics experts Radman and Wagner, “The High Fidelity
of DNA Duplication” Scientific American, Vol. 259, #2 (august 1988) pp.
40-46 emphasis added.

“Once we see, however, that the probability of life originating at random
is so utterly minuscule as to make it absurd, it becomes sensible to
think that the favorable properties of physics, on which life depends,
are in every respect deliberate…It is, therefore, almost inevitable
that our own measure of intelligence must reflect higher intelligence —
even to the limit of God.” (Evolutionist Fred Hoyle and N. Chandra
Wickramasinghe, “Evolution from Space” London: J.M. Dent and Company,
1981, pp. 141,144)

“The likelihood of the formation of life from inanimate matter of one to
the number of 40,000 noughts after it… IT IS BIG ENOUGH TO BURY DARWIN
AND THE WHOLE THEORY OF EVOLUTION. There was no primeval soup, neither
on this planet nor on any other, and if the beginnings of life were not
random, they must therefore have been the product of purposeful
intelligence.” (“Hoyle On Evolution”, Nature Vol. 294, #5837 November
12, 1981, p. 148 emphasis added.

‘…there are very few empirical facts of direct relevance and perhaps no
facts relating to the actual transition from organic material to material
that can even remotely be described as living… The time scale (the
supposed 5-billion year old age of Earth) IS GROSSLY INADEQUATE AND THE
INFORMATION CONTENT THAT IS NEEDED TO PRODUCE LIFE IS SO VAST THAT IT IS
IMPOSSIBLE TO ACTUALLY ARRIVE AT THAT FINAL STEP ON EARTH…”
(Evolutionist N. Chandra Wickramasinghe in Vol. 325 of Philosophical
Transcripts of the Royal Society of London (1988) pp./ 611-618 (quote
>from page 611) emphasis added.

“No one has ever produced a species by mechanisms of natural selection.
No one has ever gotten near it. (Dr. Colin Patterson, Evolutionist)

“Micromutations do occur, but the theory that these alone can account for
evolutionary change is EITHER FALSIFIED, or else it is an unfalsifiable,
hence METAPHYSICAL theory. If suppose that nobody will deny that it is a
great misfortune if an entire branch of science becomes ADDICTED TO A
FALSE THEORY. But this what has happened in biology… I believe that
ONE DAY THE DARWINIAN MYTH WILL BE RANKED THE GREATEST DECEIT IN THE
HISTORY OF SCIENCE. When this happens many people will pose the
question: “How did this ever happen?” )S. Lovtrup, Evolutionist,
“Darwinism; The refutation of a Myth” London: Droom Helm. 1987, p 422
emphasis added.

“Radiometric dating is an exceedingly crude instrument with which to
measure our strata and I can think of no occasion where it has been put
to an immediate practical use. Apart from very ‘modern examples’, which
are really archaeology…” (Derek Ager, Geologist and Evolutionist)

There is much much more but why go on…?

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness
and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God
made it evident to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His
eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood
through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.


“The judgement of history depends on who writes it” (Richard Nixon)

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tom moran wrote:
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> [email protected](Annie Alpert) wrote:
>
> >In <[email protected]> bud writes:
> >>
> >>The following is an article that appeared in “The Christian
> >>News”.
>
> >Classic straw man — an attempt to set up a flawed argument that
> >can easily be struck down. Look up anti-Semite in the dictionary
> >– not ANTI + SEMITE, mind you. Anti-Semite has a specific
> >meaning. it was, in fact coined in England in the late 1800’s by
> >a self-professed Jew-hater to describe his feelings. Webster: a
> >person who is hostile to Jews.
>
> “Anti-Semite” Anyone hostile to Jews, might be a dictionary
> definition, but going by other definitions of Semite, we could say it
> is also one who is hostile to Arabs.
> Annie if you can’t accept this, maybe you can give us the term
> for hostility to Arabs. “Semite” is a genetic/racial designation, like
> Oriental, Caucasian, Amerind – etc. One dictionary definition states
> for “Semite” – a person descended from Shem.
> >
> >> TALMUDIC JEWS KHAZARS NOT SEMITES
> >>The term anti-Semite when applied to opposition to Jews is also
> >>a misnomer because the vast majority of Talmudic Jews today are
> >>not Semites. There are many Khazar (Chazar or Khozer) Jews,
> >>Black Jews, Chinese Jews, East Indian Jews, Mexican, Japanese
> >>Jews, etc. According to some authorities the Khazar Jews alone
> >>make up over 90% of the Jewish population of the world. Only
> >>the Sephardic Jews are considered to be the descendants of Shem.
> >>According to Benjamin Freedman, a converted Jew, the Khazar Jews
> >>are not Semites. Mr. Freedman in his book, FACTS ARE FACTS on
> >>p. 42 quotes the JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA in part as follows:
> >
> >See above. Pointless argument. Judaism is a religion, not a
> >race.
>
> In addition to the above evidence that Semite is a racial
> designation, we have to consider why Jews while charging anti-Semitism
> will also use the word “racist”.
> There are also terms like ‘He looks Jewish, or ‘He is half
> Jewish. There are also certain genetic diseases that Jews can have.
> There is also things like the Jew is a Jew if the mother was a
> Jew.
> This is just a small portion of the evidence that could be put
> forth to show that Judaism is a racial movement.
>
> >
> >Also, Ben Freedman may have been born of parents who came from
> >parents who believed in Judaism, he himself and his parents were
> >secular Jews to say the least. Who was Ben Freedman?
>
> “Secular” Jews is a term that has been used with great frequency
> in recent years. Look up “Jew” – “Jewish” in the dictionary, Annie.
> How can you be Jewish and “secular” at the same time?
>
> >
> >Benjamin Harrison Freedman was the originator of the
> >”Khazar Canard”–a theory that today’s Jews are not the
> >descendants of the Jews mentioned in the Bible, but rather
> >descendants of the Khazars, an Asiatic people who occupied
> >Southern Russia during the seventh century, who had
> >converted to Judaism. Ironically, he was born a Jew in New
> >York in 1890, but openly revealed himself to be a fascist
> >and an “honorary Aryan”. When WWII broke out he declared
> >himself a supporter of Hitler and predicted Hitler would
> >win the war.
> >
> >Over the years, Freedman has been a prolific producer
> >of anti-Semitic tracts, statements and pamphlets. Many of
> >them have been used by most of the most well-known
> >anti-Semite. I’m sure you’ve seen them in one form or
> >another. He considered himself a martyr and bragged “Since
> >the death of Hitler, I am the most hated man in the world.”
> >
> > The May 1, 1959 issue of “Common Sense” (“The Nation’s
> > Anti-Communist Newspaper”) has four tabloid-size pages
> > filled with Freedman’s story of the “discovery” of the
> > canard. (Headline: Christians duped by unholiest hoax in
> > al The Khazar story was the grand passion of his life for
> > many years. Morris Kominsky (Hoaxers, Branden Press) says
> > he could go on for hours on the subject without time out
> > for a breath of fresh air. “Freedman expatiated on his
> > Khazar delusion to a group of seven or eight Congressmen
> > for five hours without surcease.”
> > l history “Big Lie” technique pushing USA to the brink of
> > World War III”). This so-called “Anti-Communist” paper
> > consisted for years mainly of anti-Jewish and anti-black
> > diatribes as well as anti-welfare tirades.
> > From Mr Freedman’s article:
> > “The U.S.A. Christians continue being brainwashed by
> > the U.S.A. media of mass-communication that so-called “Jews”
> > of throughout the world today are the actual historic
> > descendants of the so-called “Jews” of the Holy Land in Old
> > Testament history. The U.S.A. Christians have been
> > brainwashed by so-called Jews of historic Khazar ancestry,
> > and by their servile Christian stooges, as they have been
> > brainwashed by them for many years with the unholiest hoax
> > in all recorded history of mankind, betraying the
> > confidence of Christians.
> > “Incontestable facts supply the unchallengable proof of
> > the historic accuracy that so-called “Jews” throughout the
> > world today of eastern European origin are unquestionably
> > the historic descendants of the Khazars, a pagan Turco-Finn
> > ancient Mongoloid nation deep in the heart of Asia, who
> > battled their way into bloody wars about the 1st B.C.
> > century into eastern Europe where they set up their Khazar
> > kingdom…
> > “The “big lie” technique of the unholiest hoax in all
> > the recorded history of mankind brainwashed U.S.A.
> > Christians into believing that Jesus Christ was actually a
> > Jew in the sense that so-called Jews call themselves Jews
> > now to bamboozle Christians.”
> > A very good debunking of the canard that 92% of
> > today’s Jews are made up of descendants of a Mongolian
> > tribe comes from the pen of Dr. V. Orval Watts, a
> > Holocaust denier with John Birch Society connections. In
> > the ultra-right wing “Santa Ana Register” November 6,
> > 1963, Watts says: “There is no more reason for assuming
> > that a Russian Jew is a Khazar than to assume that an
> > American Episcopalian is a Celtic descendant of King
> > Arthur’s Knights.”
> > >
> >–
> >Annie Alpert
> >
> >”All would be well,
> > All would be heavenly–
> > If the damned would only stay damned.”–Charles Fort, 1919

“And are not they [today’s “Jews”] the inventors of the Chosen People
myth?” — [Dr. Oscar Levy, preface, “The World Significance of the
Russian Revolution,” George Pitt Rivers (Oxford, England: Basil
Blackwell, 1920) vi

Professor of Medieval Jewish History, Abraham N. Poliak of Tel Aviv
University, has stated “The large majority of world Jewry is descended
>from the Jews of Khazaria.” (“The Thirteenth Tribe” by Arthur Koestler
(New York: Random House, 1976) p.226)

The American People’s Encyclopedia for 1964 at 15-292 records the
following reference to Khazars:
“In the year 740 the Khazars were officially converted to Judaism. A
century later they were cursed by the in-coming Slavic-speaking people
and were scattered over central Europe where they were known as Jews. It
is from this grouping that most German and Polish Jews are descended, and
they likewise make up a considerable part of that population now found in
America. The term Aschenazim is now applied to this….division.”
Alfred Lilienthal writes, in What Price Israel (Henry Regenery Co., 1953)
“Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic Faith
occurred in Europe, in the 8th century A.D., and that story of the
Khazars (Turko-Finnish people) is quite pertinent to the establishment of
the modern state of Israel.” Again, “That the Khazars are the lineal
ancestors of Eastern European Jewry is a historical fact. Jewish
historians and religious textbooks acknowledge the fact, though the
propagandists of Jewish nationalism belittle it as pro-Arab propaganda.”

The Jews fully understand their Khazarian heritage as the third edition
of the Jewish Encyclopedia for 1925 records:
“Chazars: a people of Turkish origin whose life and history are
interwoven with the very beginnings of the history of the Jews of
Russia.” The Jewish Encyclopedia, Third Edition, 1925

The World Book Encyclopedia states: “The Jews were once a sub-type of
the Mediterranean race, but they have mixed with other peoples until the
name Jew has lost all racial meaning.”

Albert Einstein said: “Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic
attitude produced in the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group
has thrived on oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the
world.” (Collier’s Magazine, Nov. 26, 1938) Einstein was describing
their common use of “chutzpah” for their own gain and profit while crying
“persecution.”

 


“The judgement of history depends on who writes it” (Richard Nixon)

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Sam wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Kirk Nechamkin) wrote:
>
> >Sam ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> >Uh, we are not “made of” DNA. Rather, DNA is our instruction code.
>
> This is how it is… There is such a thing as chemistry. Certain
> chemicals like to form compounds. If I had a planet full of primordial
> soup, with the same kind of weather as primitive earth, life _would_
> evolve. Not by chance. By physical law.
>
> DNA is nothing but a chemical. It is possible to create it from
> scratch, no life necessary. If you make some DNA, then put it in a vat
> of the right chemicals, it will reproduce. Purely by chemical means.
> It is not “alive”, else the chemist would be “GoD”. Now virii are
> basically just that. Proteins that reproduce.
>
> While DNA is your “instruction code”, the cells you are made of are
> basically bags of water and protein. It is the DNA that makes these
> cells what they are, and makes them multiply. It’s all a series of
> straight forward chemical reactions, and they all happen every day
> within you, and that is what keeps you alive. Chemistry.
>
> There is no “GoD” in this theory, because it doesn’t need one. It
> works perfectly anyway.
>
> >What you’re saying is something like: If I took some data, put it
> >on a floppy disk, I’d have a program. This is what Windows ’95
> >is — a program.
>
> No. You seem to be full of these dodgy metaphors. Chemistry is nothing
> like computers.
>
> >First of all, you’re forgetting that you NEED A COMPUTER to USE a
> >program.
>
> Well in this barely-relevant analogy, your computer is a big pool full
> of chemicals.
>
> >Can you COMPARE random data to a program like Windows ’95?
>
> Well they had to fill those megabytes with _something_.
>
> >DNA has never been found in the world, other than in the world’s
> >LIVING ORGANISMS. Never.
>
> Yes it has. People have made it from component parts. It is a million
> (probably billion) dollar industry.
>
> >Things don’t JUST HAPPEN.
>
> Things JUST HAPPEN for a REASON. If you let go of 10 marbles, they’d
> all end up on the floor, wouldn’t they? Not on the ceiling or walls,
> and they wouldn’t just stay there. That’s the law of gravity, right?
> Similar laws govern everything.

that’s it for now.

“The judgement of history depends on who writes it” (Richard Nixon)

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Sam wrote:
>
> [email protected] (Kirk Nechamkin) wrote:
>
> >Sam ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> >Uh, we are not “made of” DNA. Rather, DNA is our instruction code.
>
> This is how it is… There is such a thing as chemistry. Certain
> chemicals like to form compounds. If I had a planet full of primordial
> soup, with the same kind of weather as primitive earth, life _would_
> evolve. Not by chance. By physical law.
>
> DNA is nothing but a chemical. It is possible to create it from
> scratch, no life necessary. If you make some DNA, then put it in a vat
> of the right chemicals, it will reproduce. Purely by chemical means.
> It is not “alive”, else the chemist would be “GoD”. Now virii are
> basically just that. Proteins that reproduce.
>
> While DNA is your “instruction code”, the cells you are made of are
> basically bags of water and protein. It is the DNA that makes these
> cells what they are, and makes them multiply. It’s all a series of
> straight forward chemical reactions, and they all happen every day
> within you, and that is what keeps you alive. Chemistry.
>
> There is no “GoD” in this theory, because it doesn’t need one. It
> works perfectly anyway.
>
> >What you’re saying is something like: If I took some data, put it
> >on a floppy disk, I’d have a program. This is what Windows ’95
> >is — a program.
>
> No. You seem to be full of these dodgy metaphors. Chemistry is nothing
> like computers.
>
> >First of all, you’re forgetting that you NEED A COMPUTER to USE a
> >program.
>
> Well in this barely-relevant analogy, your computer is a big pool full
> of chemicals.
>
> >Can you COMPARE random data to a program like Windows ’95?
>
> Well they had to fill those megabytes with _something_.
>
> >DNA has never been found in the world, other than in the world’s
> >LIVING ORGANISMS. Never.
>
> Yes it has. People have made it from component parts. It is a million
> (probably billion) dollar industry.
>
> >Things don’t JUST HAPPEN.
>
> Things JUST HAPPEN for a REASON. If you let go of 10 marbles, they’d
> all end up on the floor, wouldn’t they? Not on the ceiling or walls,
> and they wouldn’t just stay there. That’s the law of gravity, right?
> Similar laws govern everything.

that’s it for now.

“The judgement of history depends on who writes it” (Richard Nixon)

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…if more people on these newsgroups would just address the issues and
evidences presented and refrain from the personal attacks and
name-calling?

“The judgement of history depends on who writes it” (Richard Nixon)

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David Byrden wrote:
>
> bud wrote:
>
> > THE PROBLEM WITH EVOLUTION
>
>
>
> > “As a result of all this, the main efforts of investigators have been in
> > papering over holes in the big bang theory….
>
> Bud, if (after all your reading) you think that the Big Bang is
> part of the theory of evolution, then you are probably a transitional life
> form between human and ape.
>
> David

well if you don’t know that it is one of the “theories” upheld by
Evolutionists who attempt to uuhold the theory of beginnings, then I’m
the missing link that’s more informed than you. Now, if you would go
ahead and factually refute the information posted, rather than engage in
silly adhomenims, that would be surprising for people like yourself,
wouldn’t it? Try it — even if it would be a novelty.

“The judgement of history depends on who writes it” (Richard Nixon)

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Karen McFarlin wrote:
>
> Funny, Bud, we only hear “Creation Science” from christian fundamentalists
> and not from real scientists. But maybe that fact has eluded you.
>
> Cairns

after all, this person doesn’t agree with me and singles out “Christian
Fundamentalists.” !! Definitely anti-Christianism!

“The judgement of history depends on who writes it” (Richard Nixon)

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Why is this important and relevant to Christianity today?
Many reasons, but the two primary ones would seem to be that by and large =

most of the Christian world today is being misled and misinformed about =

the injustices occurring in modern-day Israel (and this with American =

sanction and support); and also, what is the true position of those who =

are really Christians: that “they” are the chosen people of God as =

clearly revealed in the New Testament. =

Also, READ THE INFORMATION. =

You will not find Hitler, Mussolini, white supremacy, advocation of =

violence towards any particular group (although I realize it does have =

some “strong indictment possibilities” against the claims of false =

teachers making false claims). There is some good biblical and =

historical material. =

HOWEVER, IF YOU INSIST ON READING SOMETHING YOU WANT “INTO THE TEXT… =

This is your privilege… no matter what, may of you are so biased you =

will immediately “fill in white spaces with your own imaginings…” (too =

frequent on these newsgroups). =

Okay, here it is…
FIRST A FEW QUOTES
“And are not they [today’s “Jews”] the inventors of the Chosen People =

myth?” — [Dr. Oscar Levy, preface, “The World Significance of the =

Russian Revolution,” George Pitt Rivers (Oxford, England: Basil =

Blackwell, 1920) =

Professor of Medieval Jewish History, Abraham N. Poliak of Tel Aviv =

University, has stated “The large majority of world Jewry is descended =

>from the Jews of Khazaria.” (“The Thirteenth Tribe” by Arthur Koestler =

(New York: Random House, 1976) p.226)

The American People’s Encyclopedia for 1964 at 15-292 records the =

following reference to Khazars:
“In the year 740 the Khazars were officially converted to Judaism. A =

century later they were cursed by the in-coming Slavic-speaking people =

and were scattered over central Europe where they were known as Jews. It =

is from this grouping that most German and Polish Jews are descended, and =

they likewise make up a considerable part of that population now found in =

America. The term Aschenazim is now applied to this….division.”
Alfred Lilienthal writes, in What Price Israel (Henry Regency Co., 1953) =

“Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic Faith =

occurred in Europe, in the 8th century A.D., and that story of the =

Khazars (Turko-Finnish people) is quite pertinent to the establishment of =

the modern state of Israel.” Again, “That the Khazars are the lineal =

ancestors of Eastern European Jewry is a historical fact. Jewish =

historians and religious textbooks acknowledge the fact, though the =

propagandists of Jewish nationalism belittle it as pro-Arab propaganda.”

The Jews fully understand their Khazarian heritage as the third edition =

of the Jewish Encyclopedia for 1925 records:
“Chazars: a people of Turkish origin whose life and history are =

interwoven with the very beginnings of the history of the Jews of =

Russia.” The Jewish Encyclopedia, Third Edition, 1925

The World Book Encyclopedia states: “The Jews were once a sub-type of =

the Mediterranean race, but they have mixed with other peoples until the =

name Jew has lost all racial meaning.”

Albert Einstein said: “Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic =

attitude produced in the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group =

has thrived on oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the =

world.” (Collier’s Magazine, Nov. 26, 1938) Einstein was describing =

their common use of “chutzpah” for their own gain and profit while crying =

“persecution.”

The term anti-Semite when applied to opposition to Jews is also a =

misnomer because the vast majority of Talmudic Jews today are not =

Semites. There are many Khazar (Chazar or Khozer) Jews, Black Jews, =

Chinese Jews, East Indian Jews, Mexican, Japanese Jews, etc. According =

to some authorities the Khazar Jews alone make up over 90% of the Jewish =

population of the world. Only the Sephardic Jews are considered to be =

the descendants of Shem. According to Benjamin Freedman, a converted =

Jew, the Khazar Jews are not Semites. Mr. Freedman in his book, FACTS =

ARE FACTS on p. 42 quotes the JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA in part as follows: =

“At the end of the eighth century… the Chagan (king) of the Chazars and =

his grandees together were a large number of his heathen people embraced =

the Jewish religion … about the ninth century, it appears as if all the =

Chazars were Jews and they had converted to Judaism only a short time =

before … after a hard fight the Russians conquered the Chazars.”

Douglas reed puts it this way: The destructive achievement; in both the =

Zionist and Communist aspect, came from the Jews in Russia and the =

Romanoff; that is the key to the understanding of the present and the =

future. THE JEWS WHO MADE THOSE TWO MOVEMENTS WERE NOT SEMITES; on that =

all qualified authorities agree; … They are descendants of a Russian, =

Mongol Tartar race converted to Judaism in the 7th century whose remote =

forbears never trod the Palestinian soil” (FAR AND WIDE, p. 276- Emphasis =

added).

“IN PART II, CH, V-VII, I HAVE COMPILED THE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE WHICH =

INDICATES THAT THE BULK OF EASTERN JEWRY – AND HENCE THE WORLD JEWRY — =

IS OF KHAZAR-TURKISH, RATHER THAN SEMITIC, ORIGIN. IN THIS LAST CHAPTER =

I HAVE TRIED TO SHOW THAT THE EVIDENCE FROM ANTHROPOLOGY CONCURS WITH =

HISTORY IN REFUTING THE POPULAR BELIEF IN A JEWISH RACE DESCENDED FROM A =

BIBLICAL TRIBE” (THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE, by Arthur Koestler, a Jew. p. 199 =

– Emphasis added).

AND NOW FOR SOME IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION: NEARLY 90% =

OF THE JEWS TODAY ARE NOT DESCENDANTS OF ABRAHAM AND ARE NOT SEMITES
When the Israelite tribes conquered the land of Canaan under =

Joshua, and settled in the land, they intermarried with the indigenous =

Canaanites and Philistines and therefore, as the Bible records, they were =

absorbed by the different Semitic tribes which lived in the land of =

Canaan, namely, the Canaanites, Jebusites, Admits, Philistines and =

others. The population of the land of Canaan under King David and King =

Solomon and their successors became a cohesion of races, to which the =

Bible testifies. As a proof, the Mother of King David was “a daughter of =

Idra, an Ishmaelite.” (i) The mother of King Solomon, Bath-sheba, was a =

Canaanite, with her roots in the kingdom of Giloh. (ii) King Solmon =

married seven hundred wives and also had three hundred concubines. (iii) =

The majority of his wives were from notable Canaanite and Philistine =

families, as well as from prominent families of each of the twelve =

Israelite tribes and princesses from neighboring kingdoms such as Egypt, =

Ammon, Moab, Edom, Tyre, Aram and Yemen. (iv) Therefore, all of these =

progeny could not be considered Jews according to the “Halacha.” Many of =

the Israelites worshipped Baal and Ashtoreth among other deities. king =

Solomon built many temples for these deities and his wives worshipped in =

these temples. (v) The succeeding kings of the royal house of David =

almost invariably married non-Israelite wives either from neighboring =

lands such as Ammon, Moab and Phoenicia, or from important Canaanite =

families, especially Jebusites, who continued to worship their old gods. =

the inhabitants of the land of Canaan, i.e., Canaanites, Israelites, =

Philistines and Edomites became a mixed population through intermarriage =

and could not be called Jews by today’s Halachic vi standard claimed by =

Judaism. One of the condemnations made by the prophets against the =

Israelites was that they continually married non-Israelite wives and =

worshipped the Canaanite gods. During the Babylonian captivity the Jews =

also intermarried with the various races in the Babylonian and Persian =

Empires. Ezra the Scribe, reports in his Chapter 10 that even the sons =

of Israelite priests had taken strange wives. In verses 18-41 he =

mentions the names of the sons of all the priests who had married foreign =

wives. Ezra, having been given “full powers from the Persian King =

Artaxeres to impose the law of the Torah on the Jerusalemites, decreed =

that mixed marriages with non-Jewish wives were annulled. (vii) The =

great Jewish historian, H. Graetz, writes that ‘The grief of the wives =

deserted by their husbands, and the sight of children disowned by their =

fathers could not fail to awaken and to increase the animosity of those =

who were closely related to them. (viii ) As a result of “the attitude =

of Ezra and Nehemiah, who opposed the assimilation of other ethnic =

elements, did not prevail.”(ix )
After the occupation of the land of Canaan by the Greeks, intermarriage =

increased between the different ethnic groups of the populations, mainly =

Canaanites, Israelites, Philistines, Edomites and Greek colonists. The =

Greek language became the dominant language of the land, together with =

the Aramiac. Hellenic culture dominated. During the Roman period the =

cohesion between the different sections of the population became =

stronger. The land of Canaan took the name Palestine and after the =

crucifixion of Jesus Christ and the spread of Christianity in Palestine =

many Jews became Christians, such as Peter and Paul and many other =

leaders of the first Christian church. Strife took place between the =

Christians, the pagans, the Samaritans and the Jews.. When the majority =

of the population of Palestine became Christian many of the Jews who had =

not become Christians left Palestine to neighboring countries such as =

Egypt, Phoenicia, Syria, Mesopotamia, Arabia, Yemen and Anatolia. Many =

of these Jews intermarried with the local inhabitants. Thus there was =

never a “Jewish race.” in the land of Canaan, and those Jews who lived in =

Palestinian communities abroad of the time of Paul, and then later in the =

Mediterranean countries, intermarried with the local inhabitants and =

became ‘Sephardim of the most mixed racial origins.” (x) some Oriental =

Jews have no family roots in Palestine at all, as they were Berbers who =

became Jews through conversion such as the Jews from Morocco, Algeria and =

Tunisia, with the exception of the Jews from the Djerba island, who had =

Palestinian descendants.
The most important fact about the Jews of today is that 90% of =

them are not Semitic but are descendants of Khazars who adopted Judaism =

in the 9th century A.D.. The present Jews of Russia and Central and =

Eastern Europe, and the United States are of Khazar origin, and the =

leadership of the Jewish community in Palestine, before and after 1948 =

until today, is of Khazar origin. They are not Semites, have no roots in =

Palestine, and are not descendants of Abraham.

WHO ARE THE KHAZARS AND HOW DID THEY BECOME JEWS?
From the Jewish Encyclopedia we have the following definition: =

“A people of Turkish origin whose life and history are interwoven with =

the very beginnings of the history of the Jews of Russia. The kingdom of =

the Khazars was firmly established in most of South Russia long before =

the foundation of the Russian monarch by the Varagians (855)…Driven =

onward by the nomadic tribes of the steppes and by their own desire for =

plunder and revenge, they made frequent invasions into Armenia…
In the Second half of the sixth century the Khazars moved westward. They =

established themselves in the territory bounded by the Sea of Azov, the =

Don and the lower Volga, the Caspian Sea, and the Northern Caucus… In =

679 the Khazar subjugated the Bulgars and extended their sway further =

west between the Don and Dnjieper, as far as the headwaters of =

Donetz…It was probably about that time that the Khagan (Bulan) of the =

Khazars and his grandees, together with a large number of his heathen =

people, embraced the Jewish religion…
It was on the successors of Bulan, named Obadiah, who regenerated =

the kingdom and strengthened the Jewish religion. He invited Jewish =

scholars to settle in his dominions, and founded synagogues and schools. =

The people were instructed in the Bible, Mishnah, and Talmud…
From the work ‘Kitab al-Buldan’ written about the ninth century, =

it appears as if all the khazars were Jews and that they had converted to =

Judaism only a short time before that book was written… It may be =

assumed that in the ninth century many Khazar heathens became Jews, owing =

to the religious zeal of King Obadiah. ‘Such a conversion in great =

masses says Chwolson (Izvyestiya o Khazarakh, p. 58), ‘may have been the =

reason for the embassy of Christians from the land of Khazar to the =

Byzantine emperor Michael…
The Jewish population in the entire domain of the KHAZARS in the period =

between the seventh and tenth centuries, must have been considerable…
The Russians invaded the trans-Caucasian country in 944… This =

seems to have been the beginning of the downfall of the Khazar kingdom… =

The Russian prince Sviatoslav made war upon the Khazars…(c.974) the =

Russians conquered all the Khazarian territory east of the Sea of Azoz. =

Only the Crimean territory of the Khazars remained in their possession =

until 1016, when they were dispossessed by the joint expedition of =

Russians and Byzantines… Many were sent as prisoners of war to Kiev, =

where a Khazar community had long existed… Some went to Hungary, but =

the great mass of the people remained in their native country. Many =

members of the Khazarian royal family emigrated to Spain…x Professor =

Graetz describes the Khazar kingdom as follows: “The heathen king of a =

barbarian people. living in the north, together with all his court, =

adopted the Jewish religion… Their kings, who bare the title of Khakhan =

or Khagan, had led these warlike people of the steppe from victory to =

victory…
It is possible that the circumstances under which the Khazars =

embraced Judaism have been embellished by legend, but the fat itself is =

too definitely proved on all sides to allow any doubt as to its reality. =

Besides Bulan, the nobles of his kingdom, numbering nearly four =

thousand, adopted the Jewish religion. Little by little it made its way =

among the people, so that most of the inhabitants of the towns of the =

Khazar kingdom were Jews…At first the Judaism of the Khazars must have =

been rather superficial, and could have had but a little influence on =

their mind and manners…
A successor of Bulan, who bore the Hebrew name of Obadiah, was =

the first to make the serious efforts to further the Jewish religion. He =

invited Jewish sages to settle in his dominion, rewarded them royally, =

founded synagogues and schools, caused instruction to be given to himself =

and his people in the Bible and the Talmud, and introduced a divine =

service modeled on that of the ancient communities… After Obadiah came =

a long serious of Jewish Khaghans, for according to fundamental low of =

the state only Jewish rulers were permitted to ascend to the throne.” =

(xi) During the 10th, 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries, the rapidly =

expanding Russian nations gradually swallowed up the Khazar kingdom and =

its neighbors directly to the south. Therefore the Khazars spread =

throughout Russia, Eastern and Central Europe. It can be stated that all =

the Jews in Russian, Eastern and Central Europe are of Khazar origin. =

They are not Semitic. They are not descendants of Abraham, but Khazars =

of Turko-Finn origin.
Professor Abraham N. Poliak, Head of the Department of Middle =

Eastern and African Studies in Tel Aviv University, discovered previously =

unknown sources on the Khazar kingdom. He published an authoritative =

book “Khazaria,” in Hebrew in 1944, in which he stated that the =

descendants of the Khazars — “those who stayed where they were, those =

who emigrated to the United States and to other countries, and those who =

went to Israel — constitute the large majority of world Jewry. (xii) =

Dr. John Wilmot states: “Nevertheless, if it be a question of again =

being given, under covenant long-standing, the land in possession, with =

tribal inheritances, statehood, temple, priesthood, sacrifices, the once =

chosen nation restored to favor and priority in rule over all nations for =

a thousand years, then the evidence of true descent from ‘the fathers’ to =

whom promise was made becomes indispensible to support the claim. There =

a multitudes of Jews content with the lands of their birth or adoption, =

who have no wish or purpose to return ‘home.’ But what of those returned =

and returning? The scripture describes the true Jew and it refers to =

some “which say they are Jews and are not,’ which, if taken in its racial =

literalness may find explication in the following quotation from ‘The =

Christian’ recommending discrimination between ‘the real Jews and the =

Zionists.’: Zionists throughout the world are overwhelmingly of Eastern =

European origin. these Yiddish-speaking ‘Jews’ have no racial connection =

with Palestine or the ancient Hebrews and ore of Khazar origin… Jewish =

historians such as Graetz, Dubnow, Freidland, Raisin and others support =

this too. Zionist have long misrepresented that these races of Jewish =

faith have a right to go to Palestine was their only hope. It is because =

of political Zionism that anti-Semitism spreads, and not because of =

Hebrew traditions and religion. To that remnant of Orthodox Jewry which =

believe in the authority of the Old Testament and holds fast to the laws =

of the Pentateuch, we can offer respect and sympathy. To the Zionist who =

has only the restoration of the land for his personal goal, we can only =

say that he is endeavoring to frustrate God’s unalterable will, an =

impossible proceeding. (xiii) The point of the above facts is that =

neither the Jews of Palestine at the time of Jesus Christ nor the Jews of =

today can be called a race. They are referred to as Jews because they =

profess the Jewish religion, in the same way that Muslims and Christians =

are of different races and nationalities. The “Encyclopedia Britannica =

authoritatively states: “The findings of physical anthropology show =

that, contrary to the popular view, there is no Jewish race. =

Anthropometric measurements of the Jewish groups in many parts of the =

world indicate that they differ greatly from one another with respect to =

all important physical characteristics. (xiv) These facts destroy the =

foundation of the Jewish historical claim to Palestine and destroys the =

religious arguments advanced by the Zionists, some Christian Zionists, =

and the electronic evangelists who falsely claim that the Jews of today =

are “the seed of Abraham,” that they are “the chosen people,” and that =

the establishment of the Jewish state, incorrectly called Israel, is a =

fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.FOOTNOTESI Encyclopedia Judaica, volume =

10, p. 6.
ii Joshua 15:51.
iii 1 Kings 11:3.
iv Mina C. Klein and H. Arthur Klein, ‘Israel, Land of the Jews’ =

(Indianapolis; Bobbs-Merrill Co., 1972), p. 53.
v 1 Kings 11:7
vi Webster’s defines “ha-la-khah (h=E4 l=F4’KHuh, h=E4 l=E4 KH=E4′)” n. =
pl. =

<-la-khahs, -la-khoth, -la-khot>(-l=E4 KH=F4t’) 1. the body of Jewish law,=
=

comprising the oral law as transcribed in the Talmud and subsequent legal =

codes and Rabbinical decisions. 2. a law or tradition established by the =

halakhah.
vii The encyclopedia of the Jewish Religion, P. 140.
viii H. Graetz, ‘The History of the Jews’ (Philadelphia: the Jewish =

Publication Society of America, 1891), volume 1, p. 369ix Enclclopedia =

Judaica volume 3 p. 771.
x The Jewish Encyclopedia, volume 4 p. 1-6.xi H. Graetz, ‘History of =

the Jews’ volume3, pp. 138-141.xii Arthur Koestler, ‘The Thirteenth =

Tribe’ (New York: Popular Library, 1976), pp. 17-18.xiii Wilmot, =

‘Inspired Principle of Prophetic Interpretation,’ pp 158-159.xiv =

Encyclopedia Britannica (Chicago: Encyclopedia Britannica, 1973) volume =

12, p. 1054.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave =

nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are ALL ONE in =

Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s =

offspring, heirs according to promise.
(capitalization and emphasis by me)

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FUCK THE POLICE wrote:
>
> Ben Brucato took a fat hit off a pipe and
> wrote:
>
> >Mohr, alas a piece of wisdom …… You’re right, these
> >people clearly brainwashed by a social disease (Christianity)
> >need to spread their superstitious mumbo-jumbo elsewhere.
>
> SUPPORT THE WAR AGAINST CHRISTIANITY
>
>
>
> UNHOLY BLASPHEMY AGAINST ALL GODS

that’s it for now.

“The judgement of history depends on who writes it” (Richard Nixon)

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If you don’t want to be a bigot and an “anti-Christianist” you better not
disagree with the posting “it’s not a matter of…”

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Matt Giwer wrote:
>
> On Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:30:26 GMT, [email protected] (pgroff) wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:45:32 -0700, bud wrote:
>
> >>If you don’t know who “invented” this “misnomer” how do you know
> >>he/she/it/they were/are “Jew-hater’s?” Get real and drop the persecution
> >>complex everytime somebody tells some truth in relation to you or your
> >>selction religion. Christians have to deal with it all the time.
> >The Term “AntiSemite was coined by Wilhelm Marr, and if you had read
> >anything about him you would have known that, but you didn’t
> >dudrite, what a maroon.
>
>
>_______________________________________________________________________
> >Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, a troller whose only
> >interest is in causing fights. While he can sound superficially
> >plausible, he has lied about what has been said in exchanges (while
> >accusing others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to
> >see posts which contain documented refutation of his claims (even when
> >they have been emailed to him), engaged in actual libel, and generally
> >conducted himself with such complete lack of intellectual and factual
> >integrity that there seems to be no point in taking the time to read and
> >respond. For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to
>
>_______________________________________________________________________
> >URL http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
>
> >P. GROFF
> ========
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> Subject: Ooooo, those nasty SS
> From: [email protected] (Matt Giwer)
> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:53:37 GMT
>
> ” The SS forced [women] to wash the stairs leading from the seven
> entrances to the four-story
> house, with their tongues and lips. After those stairways were wased,
> the same people were
> forced to collect garbage in the courtyard with their lips. All garbage
> had to be transferred to one
> place in the courtyard. ”
> IMT VII – p.491.

Hey…! Are you disagreeing with me?! Are you a bigot? Are you one of
those “Christian-hating” anti-Christianists?

“The judgement of history depends on who writes it” (Richard Nixon)

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Alan B. Mac Farlane wrote:
>
> [email protected]>, Jim Freedom wrote:
> > > >>>Big Bang is just the scientist’s way of saying “In the beginning …”
> > > >
> > > >>Nope. It was Hoyle’s way of saying. The rest just used it.
> > > >>It’s the scientist’s way of saying T=0 to the present.
> > > >
> > > >Hmmm . . . let’s break that down . . .
> > >
> > > My GOD!!! Is this a creationist that wants to get to specifics?!?
> > > 🙂
> > >
> > > >The Scientist’s way of saying t=0 (the beginning)
> > >
> > > I’m sorry. I goofed. T=0 is NOT a begining. There is no time,
> > > no space, no begingin.
> > >
> > > I couldn’t think of a way to say, “t=that infinate amount of a fraction
> > > just after T=0”.
> > >
>
> ////
>
> Hi Jim:
>
> Some wag once remarked that maybe God was bored one of His days, and
> started to mastrubate, out shot all the star stuff, galaxies, light beings
> and the like. So the Big Bang was just a big orgasism, and seems to fit
> in the orgasmic pattern, for that pattern is a universal as far as I can
> see. It is even in the valye of pi = 3.1415926535. You rock your world
> at the 9; actually that pattern is a double orgasism. I even think
> chemical bonding is chemicle sex, and that orgasmic pattern is a predictor
> to making new chemicle or even breaking down older and more toxic ones.
>
> L8R
>
> Alan
>
> —
> Alan Brainaic Mac Farlane
>
> Disclaimer, don’t need no stinkin disclaimer. I am on a Macintosh !

“As a result of all this, the main efforts of investigators have been in
papering over holes in the big bang theory, to build up an idea that has
become ever more complex and cumbersome…I HAVE LITTLE HESITATION IN
SAYING THAT A SICKLY PALL NOW HANGS OVER THE BIG BANG THEORY. When a
pattern of facts become set against a theory, experience shows that the
theory rarely recovers.” (Evolutionist Sir Fred Hoyle, famous British
astronomer and cosmologist. “The Big Bang Theory Under Attack” Science
Digest, Vol. 92 (May 1984), p. 84 (emphasis added)).

“Once we see, however, that the probability of life originating at random
is so utterly minuscule as to make it absurd, it becomes sensible to
think that the favorable properties of physics, on which life depends,
are in every respect deliberate…It is, therefore, almost inevitable
that our own measure of intelligence must reflect higher intelligence —
even to the limit of God.” (Evolutionist Fred Hoyle and N. Chandra
Wickramasinghe, “Evolution from Space” London: J.M. Dent and Company,
1981, pp. 141,144)

“The likelihood of the formation of life from inanimate matter of one to
the number of 40,000 noughts after it… IT IS BIG ENOUGH TO BURY DARWIN
AND THE WHOLE THEORY OF EVOLUTION. There was no primeval soup, neither
on this planet nor on any other, and if the beginnings of life were not
random, they must therefore have been the product of purposeful
intelligence.” (“Hoyle On Evolution”, Nature Vol. 294, #5837 November
12, 1981, p. 148 emphasis added.


“The judgement of history depends on who writes it” (Richard Nixon)

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Kevin W. Davidson wrote:
>
> Rev previously wrote an article appearing in talk.religion.misc:
>
> > No, it seems to be you that is not listening….You insist on
> >living in your la-la land of the Holocaust, regardless of what the
> >experts say.
>
> > Now, no one denies that the Jews were placed in detention
> >centers…And no one denies that many died there, as happens in any
> >prison.
>
> Yeah, Rev, and the prison guards were so stupid that they put the
> clothes in the fumigation chambers and forgot to take them off the
> prisoners first.
>
> Your so-called scientific expert has nothing but a little under-grad
> chemistry.
>
> Who’s in La La?
>
> —
> Kevin ([email protected]) | http://www.interpath.com/~kwdavids/
>
> * In this world of toil and sin
> You scalp grows bald, but not your chin. – Burma Sig

Check out your history books about the black plague and other outbreaks
of Cholera, typhus and such that often decimated thousands and thousands
of victims. Actually millions and millions died in the world during
these ravaging plagues. Along with this history records that bodies had
to be burned to avoid further infestation. This explanation has been
offered by some of the revisionists and was given by some of the accused
“war criminals”. According to some, starvation, disease and typhus was
killing thousand every day in the labor camps towards the end of the war.
It has also been pointe out that the allied bombings and raids on
railroads, cities, etc., were also to blame for the lack of ability to
get any food to these camps. Sure it had to be done, but this also can
explain much of the burning, etc. Additionally, several thousand
(or 20,000!) bodies burned does not add up to 6 million.
If you disagree with me, you’re a bigot and an anti-Christianist…

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jerry[email protected] wrote:
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> [email protected] (Royce Buehler) wrote:
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> >I am sorry to yell at you, Bud, but it is deeply frustrating when
> >you defend a shameless blasphemer, and at the same time hurl the accusation
> >that I have made a “substitution of the Lord’s name” when all I have
> >done is to take the real blasphemer to task. I *loathe* the association of
> >my Lord’s name with Hitler’s. That is why I object to it so strongly every
> >time that “Rev” does it.
>
> >–
> >Royce Buehler [email protected] (617)-253-9766
> > “Comme un fou se croit Dieu, nous nous croyons mortels”
> > — Pierre Delalande
>
> In the book Stedfast by Roger Elwood, there is a fictional account of
> the almost conversion of Heinrich Himmler, but “the thought of
> reaching out to a Man who was incarnated two thousand years before as
> an itinerant Jew, a hated Jew, was impossible to accept, and he threw
> away salvation because of this.” Roger Elwood ends the narrative with
> “Coming close is not enough…” The Rev also will have to meet that
> Man, a hated Jew.
> With fear and trembling,
> Jeremiah…

Actually, Royce, I am not defending his methodology. I do defend his
right to voice his opinion, and I note with some appreciation that he
does not resort to cursing and other name-calling (at least not that I
have seen). I do agree with SOME of his views however (about the idea of
this “chosen people” not being the modern-day Jews and some other
matters) I believe this is a lie and a false teaching and is not
supported by New Testament revelation. But I have, I think, already
gotten this straightened out with you and I hope we agree to disagree
agreeably… I most certainly do not like the constant personal
accusations and attacks by the “near-fanatics” who like to call everybody
who disagrees with them either a “Nazi” or an “anti-Semite” or some other
convenient term that seems to attempt to avoid addressing the content
and the issue. I have MUCH LESS respect for these people than I do for
this “Rev.” even if he is some of what you say he is. Royce, I worked in
Christian radio for years, produced a show in Los Angeles. We had many
debates in that time and I learned by watching and listening and it is my
opinion that most people with a weak argument attack the person, not the
issue. I have seen this over and over again. I believe that this is
true of the methodology being employed by those attempting to answer SOME
or the Revisionist research, and I believe this also applies to this
issue of who are “The Chosen people” etc. There is no doubt but that
there is an influential faction “out there” trying to silence their
critics by legislation and accussation of “hate talk” and it is all very
very suspicious to me. On the radio programs we would never advocate or
tolerate such methods– and, as I said, they were almost always a “sure
sign” that the opposition had “something to hide.”

Galatians 3:
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man,
there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs
according to promise.

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[email protected] wrote:
>
> Rapture Index World Wide WEB Site:
> http:/www.novia.net/~todd
>
> July 31
> CBS completed the circle by also forcing out Joe Klein,
> the Author of “Primary Colors.” CBS as well as
> Newsweek say were upset by the fact that Klein was
> lying all this time. When did lying suddenly become a
> problem in Journalism? I would say most reporters are
> habitual liars. The real reason they’re upset is because
> Klein wrote things about the Clinton’s that were not to
> be written, even if it was in novel form.
>
> In an article that was reprinted in my local paper, The
> New York Times came to the defense of the New Age
> movement. The article bemoaned the fact that the New
> Age movement was getting a reputation as being “flaky.”
> The Times cited Mrs. Clinton’s reported chitchat with
> Eleanor Roosevelt as one example of the publics growing
> bias against the New Age. The Paper also noted that
> society is ridiculing and mocking the New Age in the
> very same way Evangelical Christians are being
> Caricatured as fanatics. My goodness, when did the New
> York Time realize that Evangelicals were being
> Caricatured as fanatics. I guess that light only goes on
> when they’re trying to defend a movement that’s of
> demonic origins.
>
> July 25
> I knew it! I knew it! When Joe Klein came forth and
> admitted he wrote the book “Primary Colors,” a novel
> based on President Clinton’s 1992 election campaign, I
> assumed Klein would be punished for writing an
> unflattering book about the Clintons. Well, Newsweek
> has decided they can not live with themselves so they
> have decided to suspended the political columnist. If the
> subject of Joe Klien’s book had only been Ronald Reagan
> or George Bush, instead of suspending him, Newsweek
> would have probably rewarded him with a more senior
> position.
>
> Pat Bucannan raised the ire of the liberal media when he
> spoke at the 1992 Republican convention. Those who are
> running the show this time have excluded Pat from
> speaking at the August convention. Oh, but they don’t
> know the press likes to have it both ways. I predict Pat
> will now get all the media attention he can handle, that is
> just as long as he plays the part of spoiler. Bucannan in
> 1992 said something that really upset the liberal media.
> He said there was a “religious war going on in our
> country for the soul of America.” Pat would have been
> more actuate if he had used, spiritual war, but he still
> spoken prophetically. There is a war going on for the soul
> of America.
>
> July 23
> HEY EVERYBODY!!!! Bob Dole’s 73 three years old.
> The liberal press wants every one to know that. The
> liberal Media was even nice enough to commission a
> birthday poll that questioned people, Is Bob Dole too old
> to be President – only a third said yes. It does, however,
> appear that Dole is in better shape than tubby Bill Clinton
> – according to health record. Rush Limbaugh said
> something interesting today. Rush asked if the press
> would say that Nelson Mandella was too old to be the
> leader of a country. Nelson, who was 75 when he took
> office, was never question once about this age. I guess
> liberal leaders age better than conservative leaders.
>
> The Liberal Media is always there to remind us all “TV
> preachers” are money greed swindlers. When a small
> time Televangelist named Walter Grant Jr. was convicted
> of tax evasion the reporters in the court room were
> thicker than flies at a cattle yard.

They’re in it for the money and generally know nothing about the
Scripture. But many millions of people get their theology from the likes
of these tv evangelists and it’s a big problem. But they are right about
the tv evangelists. As for themselves? Well, overall they apparently a
bunch of self-aggrandizing, egotistical people with very high=paying jobs
and say exactly what they are told to say… Most of them, though, I
think are also what is commonly called “limosine Liberals” and care only
about their own “stick.” Remember what the Lord said about the Father’s
Word being “Truth.”

17 “Sanctify them in the truth; Thy word is truth.

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>From Webster’s here it is…
faith (fayth) n.
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing.
2. belief that is not based on proof.
3. belief in God or in the doctrines or
teachings of religion.
4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics
or standards of merit.
5. a system of religious belief: the Jewish
faith.
6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to
a person, promise, engagement, etc.
7. the observance of this obligation;
fidelity to one’s promise, oath,

I’m of the opinion that 1 & 2 above definitely apply to those who
“believe” in the “theory” of Evolution.

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Webster’s definition of “Fundamentalist”, in case there is any dispute at
to it’s meaning. If you can find a dictionary that includes belief in
this so-called “holocaust” within that definition, I’d like a copy or a
place where I can check it out for myself.

“The judgement of history depends on who writes it” (Richard Nixon)

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