John Morris writes:
> Some were. Some weren’t. Some are. Some aren’t.
According to Segev (“Soldiers of Evil” 1987, American Edition) there
was a policy in the SS under Eike to have the members disassocite themselves
>from organized religions. The “correct” formula was for the SS men to describe
themselves as a “believer in God.”
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: ‘rblackmore’ Lies About Goeth, etc
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> [email protected] writes:
> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
# Goeth was tried and executed by the Poles, after the war,
# and not by the SS. “rblackmore” is lying through his teeth.
# Koch, as far as I know, was executed mainly for stealing
# state property. I’ll appreciate full and exact details
# on his trial and execution by the SS.
> Then research it, like you so often tell me to do.
“Koch was charged with the theft of 200,000 marks. He was also
accused of the murder of three prisoners who might have testified about his
activities, two in Buchenwald and one in Lubin . . . .” (Segev, “Soldiers of Evil”
page 147) It should be noted that Blackmore the Chicken Hawk cliams that he
owns this book.
> I have indeed mentioned him on other occasions. Dr. Keren was
> too occupied with his pornographic photos to notice. The charge
> against Rascher was kidnapping. The experiments Rascher conducted
> were mainly on criminals condemned to death for capitall crimes. The
> criminals usually volunteered for the experiments in exchange for a
> commutation of sentence.
Only in your imagination. Since the subjects were murdered during and
after the “experiments” it is difficult to see what the “commutation” might have
been. Testimony about the murders by Rascher can be found at “Nuremberg
Medical Case” Volume 1, pages 738-59
> It was my understanding that Goeth was tried and
> sentenced to death by an SS court, but the sentence
> was not carried out, as the war ended.
“In the autumn of 1944 Goth was arrested in connection with an
investigation of corruption in the camps, the same investigation by Morgen that
brought about the execution of Karl Koch and Hermann Florstedt. Goth was also
suspected of embezzlement, but before he could be put on trial the war ended.”
(Segev; “Soldiers of Evil” page 154). It should be noted that the Blackmore the
Chicken Hawk claims that he owns this book.
Apparently Blackmore the Chicken Hawk is bluffing again.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – 1996 08:53:32 GMT writes:
> :>Badly. Seems they were all at your house. Hope you bought
> :>enough butter to butter your bagel.
> That the best you can do?
Tell him that you a pre-pubescent boy in search of a 13 year old girl.
That might sweeten him up a bit.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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> [email protected] writes:
> Proposal sounds pretty hollow at first glance. There are technical
> difficulties, including getting hold of the original tape and a valid
> source of comparison,
The laboratory I contacted felt that the technical prblems could be
overcome. They specifically stated that an original would not be necessary.
The question of a valid source of comparison should be easy. Himmler did make
public speeches. Moreover, the first part of the analysis would be of feasibility.
> but the main reason I say this is that it (the
> proposal) has been used here simply as a platform to say “put up money or
> shut up” or some similar sentiment.
The question is a simple scientific test. The “revisionists” continually
state that they interested in “forensic” proof. This is a clear and simple sceintific
testing of “revisionist” claims.
> If there were real interest in
> validating that item, or any of the myriad other suspect pieces of
> “evidence” it would have been neither difficult nor expensive to do so
> given 50 years of opportunity and the many billions of dollars and
> deutschemarks they’ve pulled in during that time.
There has been no neccessity as only a few wackos, presenting no
real reason other than their unsupporterd allegations, have stated the tape is a
forgery. It should be noted that the National Archives has openly distributed the
tape as authentic. They have no doubts.
> The fact that such
> suggestions are routinely dismissed by the keepers of the flame says a lot
> about their own confidence in the materials.
The burden rests on those who challenge the document. If you do not
believe it is real, it would have been a simple and relatively inexpensive
methodfor so determining. The analysis laboratory I contcted wanted less than
$2000 for a complete job. By way of comparison the laboratory I use for
document examination charges a preliminary fee of $2,500 and the standard
charge for examination of medical records and preliminary report by a board
certified specialist start at about $1500. Since the original is not required, the
fact that the “revisionists” have not tested the tape and have, instead, relied on
such arguments as the mistatement that pare recorders had not been invented,
is very significant.
> This is one of the main
> oddities that arouses the curiosity of the otherwise uninterested. If
> it’s such a sure thing, then what harm would come from independent
> confirmation in an academic forum?
None. The question is “why bother?” *You* have made the
challenge. Having done so your demand that the other side do the work of
proving your contention is silly at best.
> Yet all that greets suggestions for
> public scientific validations is cries of disrespect to the dead,
> accompanied by contempt and invective designed to turn the idea aside. Or
> so it seems from my viewpoint.
You have been offered a simple sceintific test whichj, if the
“revisionist” contentions (I note that you, yourself, make no claim that the
tape of the Posen speech is a forgery) which, if they are correct, would be done
at no cost to them. If this offer was given in the context of litigation, there is not
a single lawyer who would no leap at the opportunity.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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> [email protected] writes:
> Yale Edeiken wrote:
> >Apparently the only response that the “revisionist” community has is, in
> >your words “rhetorical.” In other words, that community has so little
> confidence
> >in their assertion that they are afraid to have it tested.
> Addressing first a comment I did not quote, many things in Mr. Power’s
> post were ignored, and for good reason.
Actually you ignored the basic point of the post quoting only three words
>from it. What you ignored was the point of the post. Further I think that your
response distorted and misrepresented the contents of the post. To read your
response only one would get the impression that various perjoratives were used
generically, whereas they were used to refer to certain specific individuals.
> Time’s too limited sometimes to
> spend it calling out obvious blather, and I tend to almost never waste
> time on posts with an abusive tone, which is what my reply was calling
> out. In other words, I replied only to the portions of interest.
The post was neither abusive in tone or or “obvious blather.” It recited
a challenge to various people who have made a specific assertion to put up or
shut up.
> That cleared up, to the above. I haven’t made the assertion, I don’t know
> enough about the tape itself to do that.
I have noticed. Given the antics of your fellow “revisionists” you must
bliush frequently.
> If I had to bet, I’d give even
> money or better that it’s doctored, but that is just a personal opinion of
> no import. As for anyone, anyone at all, being “afraid” to have it
> tested, where do you get that? Tell me who, when and why? I cannot think
> of any support for that statement at all, except perhaps a personal
> opinion with as much validity as mine about the tape.
I suggest you read the “obvious blather” of “blackmore” and the
consider the refusal of the criminal Giwer to even respond directly. Both have
asserted the tape is a fraud. I consider as well that your initial reaction was not
your personal opinion of the tape but offhand comments that were factually
inaccurate about technical feasibility.
The fact remains that any person who could demonstrate by scientific
means (and those means are available) that the tape of the Posen speech is a
forgery would have materially advanced the “revisionist” position and become an
instant hero in (as Sam Donalson described you) the cottage industry of denying
the Holocaust. The publicity you reap would alone justify the risk if those making
the assertion had the courage of their convictions. Moreover, it would entail no
cost whatsoever to make a hero of yourself.
Sorry. The responses so far of those who have made the assertion that
the tape is a forgery (and as both of us have noted, you are not of that number)
make two points very obvious. First, they have no intention of having their lies
tested by reliable scientific methods and, second, they are afraid of that being
done.
> >What is more your response is dishonest. Mr. Powers referred to Willis
> >Carto as an “asshole.” He is. He referred to those who, at this point
> in time
> >assert the Frank Diary was a fake as “assholes.” They are. He referred
> to the
> >IHR as a bunch of “loonies.” They qualify for that.
> My reply quoted three words the poster used and then said something about
> the predictable rhetoric after my earlier musing on the likely nature of
> responses to this thread. The speculation and the referenced reply
> were/are accurate. In what way at all was it (my short post) “dishonest”?
> I looked at it again trying to find some defense for your remark and
> could only conclude that you are saying I implied that all the pejoratives
> were directed at me, and I of course neither stated nor implied this.
Your post implied that they were used generically. They were not.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] writes:
> In order to dispel the either accidental or intentional confusion
> surrounding one of my previous posts on Himmler’s alleged
> speech at Posen, I would like to clarify:
> I have never denied that Himmler delivered 2 speeches
> within 2 days apart at Posen in October 1943. That the
> speeches were interminably long seems to be the concensus
> of all who attended and later commented upon the speeches.
> What I am questioning and what I have always questioned is
> the authenticity of the soound recording which was allegedly
> taken of the speech in question. I have stated my reasons for
> being skeptical of these recordings on many occasions and those
> reasons are still valid as far as I am concerned.
Then you would, no doubt, be willing to put your money where your
mouth is. When Giwer made the claim that this speech was a forgery Ken
McVay made a challenge. Let us get the speech analysed by a voice
recognition laboratory. If it a forgery Nizkor will pay for the analysis; if authentic
you will. A recognized voice recognition laboratory with experience in historical
and foriegn language analysis quoted an estimate of $1,750.00 for the job with
approximately 1/2 of the cost being a preliminary report on feasibility.
As far as I know the offer is still open.
Are your game? Or are you all mouth?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> The Criminal Giwer rewrites some more history:
> On 1 Dec 1996 08:38:09 GMT, [email protected] (Brian Harmon) wrote:
> >>What I am questioning and what I have always questioned is
> >>the authenticity of the soound recording which was allegedly
> >>taken of the speech in question.
> >This has been discussed in the past, i believe Matt Giwer
> >made similar statements.
> >A wager was proposed to Mr. Giwer:
> > Himmler’s Ponzan speech would be sent to experts
> > to determine if the speech is authentic, the loser
> > (whether it woulkd be Giwer or Nizkor) would pay
> > the costs of the analysis.
> >Are you game?
> When it was discussed here about a year ago, it was stated the
> speaker had not been identified and that there was an effort to
> collect the money for a voice print identification.
Wrong. You claimed that the tape was a forgery. Your first argument
was that tape recording had not been developed. Then you just made the
blanket statement that it was not authentic.
> Two months ago, when I repeated that year ago holohugger position,
> the holohuggers claimed that I was giving a false recounting and that
> it had been positively identified.
It has been,
> Now we have come full circle with the admission that the speaker
> has not been identified.
There is nothing in Harmon’s post that even indicates that. The tape is
of a speech by Himmler. The only ones who say otherwise are a minority of
deniers, principally the criminal Giwer and “blackmore.”
> This appears to be a variation upon the truth of the month club.
The truth is the criminal Giwer claimed the tape was a forgery. When
challenged to put his assertion to a scientific test, he shut up like a clam. The
exchange is preserved in its entirety on Nizkor. This, of course, is another reason
that the criminal Giwer goes into a paranoid rage whenever he hears the URL
which exposes his lies so thoroughly:
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> the criminal Giwer writes:
> On 1 Dec 1996 13:13:07 -0500, [email protected] (Charles R.L.
> Power) wrote:
> >Well, yes, of course this is a “Put up or shut up” challenge,
> >and of course you are going to neither put up nor shut up. Why
> >should Nizkor, a rather tiny institution of insignificant
> >financial resources, put up two grand to satisfy the whimsical
> >fancies of a small circle of eccentrics?
> What is there to put up? The very existance of the challenge is an
> admission that the speaker has not been identified.
Nope. The existence of the challenge exposes the basic dishonesty of
the “revisionists.” The speaker is identified as Himmler. It has always been so.
> Therefore, until you folks can substantiate the identity of the
> speaker, please refrain from using it as evidence.
The question is not the identification of the speaker. The speaker has
been identified as Himmler. The question is the claim by a few clowns that the
speech is a forgery. You have made that assertion.
You have refused to put that assertion to a scientific test. A tacit
admission that your claim that the speech is phony was fraudulent.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] writes:
> Just like you, who keeps repeating the same nonsense over
> and over, even though you are proven wrong on practically
> every occasion. BTW, are you definitively saying that Rabbi
> Reichorn never existed?
No. Only a reasonable suspicion arises when he reported to hold a
position which did not exist, specifically “Chief Rabbi of France” in 1859. There
could be various reasons for this misattribution. To date, however, there has
been no explanation whatsoever.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Daniel D Mittleman) responed to the criminal
Giwer:
> Leprechan ([email protected]) wrote:
> : On 2 Dec 1996 07:32:57 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel D
> : Mittleman) wrote:
> : Excuse me, good sir, but several times over the last year there
> : have been requests for the exact numbers of pre and post war jewish
> : populations by country and the number per country considered to have
> : been executed by the Nazis.
> : As such information was not posted it appears no one, not even you,
> : has that information.
> : So just what demographic evidence do you claim there is? that you
> : are personally familiar with? that you declined to post?
> Sir, I declined to post demographic information as I did not have it at my
> fingertips and it has been posted in alt.revisionism several times
> previously. You point, however, is very valid – such a claim on my part
> should be accompanied by a citation to such demgraphic evidence.
This is part of the criminal Giwer’s well known aversion to opening a
book. As has been pointed out to him many times, numerous historians have
attempted to give such a detailed accounting. For my money one of the best is
Appendix A (“The Fate of the Jews in Hitler’s Europe: by Country”) in Lucy
Dawidowicz’s “The War Against the Jews: 1933-1945” which occupies pages
337-401. Of course, examination of these figures would require the criminal Giwer
to actually *read* something rather than fabricating.
> : Why are there only two trained historians and one honorary
> : historians publishing in favor of this holocaust of yours and why are
> : they in retreat as to their claims? (For example, the honorary
> : historian, Hilberg used to claim there were extermination orders but
> : in the 1986 (?) revision deleted such claims and inserted a footnote
> : claiming it was all done by mindreading.)
> Matt Giwer made a similar claim a few months back that there were less
> than four real Holocaust historians. Several posters immediately and
> directly demonstrated that this claim was false. My demonstration of such
> a falsehood is to refer you to Lucy Dawidowicz, “The Holocaust and the
> Historians,” Harvard University Press, Cambridge, MA, 1981. In this book
> she reviews the historiography process for studying the Holocaust in at
> least five different countries and in doing so discusses the approach of
> several historians towards the Holocaust in EACH of those countries.
It is odd that the criminal Giwer would resurrect this claim. The last time
he made it, he was so thoroughly embarrassed that he immediately practiced his
“revisionism” by claiming that he had asserted something else entirely. When that
fraudulent claim was just as quickly debunked, he retied from the field.
> : Does defending that right include harrassment of ISPs?
> Please explain what you mean here? Do I defend Tom’s right to harrass
> ISPs? No. Do I harrass ISPs about Tom’s postings and paradoxically claim
> that doing so defends his rights? No, that would be absurd and I don’t
> harrass ISPs.
The criminal Giwer evidently feels that complaining against such
activities as spamming, extortionate threats, forgery, and criminal harassment is
improper.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Brian Harmon) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, wrote:
> >Are you claiming to speak for Dr. Jekyll Keren?
> And this is a man who once whined about the use
> of insults in this forum?
> hypocrite.
Oddly enough “blackmore” seems not to have dipped into his store of
books deeply enough to recognize that “Dr. Jekyll” was a rather noble fellow in
Stevenson’s tale. It was “Mr. Hyde” who represented the evil side of his nature.
–YFE
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> Annie Alpert writes:
> Craig D wrote:
> > Does the Watchtower practice revisionism???
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~defender
(Page doesn`t exist)
> What are you talking about? Just trolling?
He is probably talking about the origins of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
The founders several times predicted the End of the World which, of course, did
not happen. The texts were later revised to eliminate these predictions.
–YFE
From [email protected] Thu Dec 5 05:47:10 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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> [email protected] writes:
YFE noted:
> The question is a simple scientific test. The “revisionists” continually
> state that they interested in “forensic” proof. This is a clear and simple
sceintific
> testing of “revisionist” claims.
> The burden rests on those who challenge the document. If you do not
> believe it is real, it would have been a simple and relatively inexpensive
> methodfor so determining. The analysis laboratory I contcted wanted less than
> $2000 for a complete job. By way of comparison the laboratory I use for
> document examination charges a preliminary fee of $2,500 and the standard
> charge for examination of medical records and preliminary report by a board
> certified specialist start at about $1500. Since the original is not required, the
> fact that the “revisionists” have not tested the tape and have, instead, relied
on
> such arguments as the mistatement that pare recorders had not been invented,
> is very significant.
To which our resident chicken hawk demonstrated he knows he is lying
about the Posen tape:
> More scarecrows and strawmen from Yale Edeiken. The fact is,
> no one could determine if a clever interpolater “stacked the deck”.
> In any event, the speech doesn’t prove that the Nazis had embarked
> upon a policy to exterminate Europe’s Jewish population, with or without
> the “damaging” statements.
The technology in question has been accepted by every jurisdiction is
generally accepted by the scientific community as reliable and has been accepted
in court by every jurisdicition in the U.S.
I note that you provide no reference or justification for the “fact” you
assert. Apparently you just made it up on the spur of the moment to justify your
repeated lies about the Posen tape.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Forgery (Re: We Jews regard our race as superior . . . .)
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> [email protected] writes:
> Sigh. Prove to us that Himmler said what you claim he said at Posen.
Sigh. Call up the National Archives and ask them for a copy of the
tape.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Yale Eideken’s Lie Exposed
Date: 3 Dec 1996 13:53:04 GMT
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On 1 Dec 1996 19:02:06 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > It should be noted that in his “expose” “Stele” made the following
errors
> > 1. He did not know the name of the district attorney who actually
> >handled the case.
Stele does not explain his ignorance.
> > 2. He did not know the name of the court in which the proceedings
> >took place.
Stele does not explain his ignorance.
> > 3. He did not know the name of the judge handling the case.
Stele does not explain his ignorance.
> > 4. He did not know of the Motions in Limine filed by the Freeman
> >brothers (and, in fact, denied that that there was one).
Stele does not explain his ignorance.
> > 5. He did know of the videotaped interrogation of the brothers made
in
> >Michigan or that it was played in open court (and, in fact, denied that this
ever
> >happened).
Stele does not explain his ignorance.
> > 6. He did not know of the testimony taken from school authorities in
> >open court during the supression hearing (and, in fact, denied that there was
such
> >testimony).
Stele does not explain his ignorance.
> > 7. He has refused to elucidate the connection of Mark thomas (a/k/a
> >”the Longswamp Nazi”) to the Freeman brothers or the NA.
Stele won’t tell us about this connection.
> > 8. He has not presented anything from the defense attoneys involved
in
> >the case who have knowledge not available to the district attorney
(including
> >detailed psychiatric evaluations) and which has never been made public.
Stele does not explain his ignorance.
> > All “Stele” has is his denials.
> > Given the source, they are not worth much at all.
> Amazing. Yale is making up even more lies. Even when Yale is caught
> red-handed Yale excretes another baleful.
Stele does not explain his ignorance.
> The prosecutor who handled the case (i.e., the one who would have had
> to have been the one filing all the motion Yale completely made up,
> hoping we would just “trust him” and not check on it) was Mr. Robert
> Steinberg.
Douglas Reichley made all appearances in court for the DAs office.
Moreover, anybody with half a brain would know that the prosecutor would not
file a motion filed by the defense attorneys.
More proof that Stele is sending up a smokescreen.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: kurt stele and his nuremberg “cite”
Date: 3 Dec 1996 03:16:13 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected]
(Kurt
> :>Here’s the full excerpt from the IMT Bluebook. Evidently you never
> :>read the document yourself. My signature is right on target. Mr.
> :>Jackson indeed was seriously pursuing the claim at Nuremberg
> :>(“charging”) that the Nazis had a vaporization device. Jackson was
> :>quite serious about it, which is highly relevant and indicative of the
> :>sort of ridiculous claims the prosecutors at Nuremberg not only took
> :>seriously but actually pursued.
> :>JACKSON: Now, I have certain information, which was placed in my
> :>hands, of an experiment which was carried out near Auschwitz and I
> :>would like to ask you if you heard about it or knew about it. The
> :>purpose of the experiment was to find a quick and complete way of
> :>destroying people without the delay and trouble of shooting and
> :>gassing and burning, as it had been carried out, and this is the
> :>experiment, as I am advised. A village, a small village was
> :>provisionally erected, with temporary structures, and in it
> :>approximately 20,000 Jews were put. By means of this newly invented
> :>weapon of destruction, these 20,000 people were eradicated almost
> :>instantaenously, and in such a way that there was no trace left of
> :>them; that it developed, the explosive develloped, temperatures of
> :>from 400o to 500o centigrade and destroyed them without
> :>leaving any trace at all. Do you know about that experiment?
> :>SPEER: No, and I consider it utterly improbable.
> :>Sorry Mr. “Nussbaum.” You lose.
> Sorry Mr. Stele/Smith. *You* lose. The very quote you supplied shows the
> fallacy of your sig. Jackson was asking whether such a device had existed,
> not claiming it existed. You really are an idiot.
When the following questions are read it is perfectly clear that
Jackson was utilizing a fairly standard technique of cross-examination by
misdirecting the witness to place him in an untenable position on an issue not
part of the question. It is called “sandbagging.”
It worked. Having described it as “utterly improbable” Speer was
placed in a position where he could neither deny or minimize the fact that the
nazi government had, in fact, circulated wildly exagerated or fabricated stories
about new weapons to boost morale.
Good job, Justice Jackson.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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> [email protected] writes:
> Well, yes. However, I have indicated that I do not regard the speech as
> particularly damaging in the overall sense that it is invariably taken. If
> someone should undertake to determine the authenticity of this recording,
> that would be fine with me. I know you have not overlooked my point that
the
> time to examine the authenticity of this recording was when it was placed into
> evidence at Nuremberg-not fifty years later. But it does tell us a bit about
> the procedures of the IMT.
As usual you have it backwards. The time to *object* to the tape
was when it was played at Nuremberg. Not a single defendant objected that
the tape was fraudulent. But then Goering, Speer, Schacht, et al, knew
Himmler when they heard him.
That tells us a bit about how silly the current objections to the tape
are.
–YF
From [email protected] Sat Dec 7 14:21:10 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> the criminal Giwer faking the name [email protected] (Advance) writes:
> On Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:29:18 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
> wrote:
> >Is this why “leading Holocaust revisionist”, Matt Giwer, mailed
> >my ISP and demanded that my account will be closed? Is this why
> >he also threatened my ISP that he will be mail-bombed if he
> >doesn’t close my account?
> No such email was sent. Perhaps you would be willing to post that
> email to support your claim? Of course not. It is the holohugger
> tradition to lie about anything to support their purposes. It’s a
> “tribal” thing.
> So here is your big chance to show that you are above the tribal
> liars that comprise the holohuggers. POST THE MESSAGE YOU FALSELY
> CLAIM WAS SENT!!!
He already has.
You really should pay attention.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Gauleiter Gross Wants to be Freenet Fuehrer,or Goebbels
Date: 7 Dec 1996 00:45:14 GMT
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> WAHRHEIT writes:
> Gauleiter Keith Gross, the overpaid flunky running Edmonton Freenet, which
> is a paid BUSINESS, running with $200,000.00 of taxpayer money, plus
> annual fees from users, now wishes to be the GRAND CENSOR, just like his
> hero Josef Goebbels.
> If you feel that CENSHORSHIP should not be tolerated, then contact
> [email protected], as well as the Auditor General of
> Canada, the Edmonton Journal,and other Canadian media.
You’re slipping. You forgot to tell people to lean out their windows and
yell “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it any more!”
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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> the criminal Giwer blows it again:
> On 6 Dec 1996 03:57:12 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > The cost estimated by a reputable laboratory (used by the NJ State
> >Police) was under $2000. The deal was, as well, that Nizkor would pay all costs
> >if it turned out not to be Himmler.
> > Put up or shut up.
> As the tape is in the custody of a US government agency and since
> the FBI laboratories are a short one hour drive away, it is unclear
> why this has not been done already.
It is only unclear to you. The voice was identified as Himmler’s only a few
kooks like you have claimed it is a forgery.
> But since it has not been done, it is inadmissable as evidence.
You are absolutely wrong. Which, given your utter ignorance of Rules
of Evidence is no surprise. The voice was identified. That is all that is required. To
use one of your favorite analogies, the 911 tape of Nicole Brown Simpson being
attacked by O.J. was admitted into evidence although it was never subjected to a
voice print. It is the burden of those making the objection to provide such material.
> But then of course the chain of custody would also have to be
> establihsed.
A piece of cake. Especially in a U.S. federal court. You call the archivist
of the National Archives (where the tape resides). Put him on the stand for fivve
minutes then, if a civil trial, make a motionto the judge for attorney’s and witness fees
for frivolously requiring proof. He grants it without hesitation.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Jackson Nuremberg cite (Disintegrator ray)
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> the criminal Giwer makes an ass of himself:
> On 5 Dec 1996 20:34:15 -0500, [email protected] (Charles R.L.
> Power) wrote:
> >[email protected] (Elevated) writes:
> >> However in a fair trial such a question would be impermissable and
> >>would be striken from the record.
> >Oh yeah, right. Then addle-pated loons like yourself would talk
> >about a conspiracy to hide what went on at Nuremburg. You’ll pardon
> >me if I don’t look to you as a source of legal advice, Matt, since
> >you’ve already proven yourself incompetent about so many other
> >subjects, including some in which you allegedly once held professional
> >qualifications.
> Objection, the question lacks foundation.
Overrules. This is *cross-examination* you idiot.
> You must know that one
> by now. One can not ask a question about an event without
> establishing that the event took place. It is like asking OJ if it is
> true he murdered his first wife with a knife in front of a jury. It
> is quite prejudicial in addition to the fact that his first wiff is
> still alive.
That’s the way it’s done on cross-examination. Always. In fact, it is
improper to do it the other way.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Air Photo Evidence ?
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> Of course Gilbert, a notorious writer for the Holocaust, would
> spend several pages appealing to people’s emotional level and would
> have them form an opinion from the feelings of others.
Gilbert was a psychologist writing about his first-hand impressions of
the defendants.
> Maybe you could show how Gilbert’s several pages of describing
> the reaction of tribunal members would have any relevance to
> validifying the Holocaust story.
The relevance is to your claim that no such photographic evidence
was produced. Simple common sense (which you lack) would indicate that if the
defendants reacted to it, it must have existed.
> What he was aiming to accomplish was to have people make
> decisions from the feelings of others, and in this case, appealing to
> their feelings by citing the feelings of authority figures.
This sentence makes no sense whatsoever.
> Would you know where one could get a copy of these movies? I
> would think they would be offered for sale by the adamant and eternal
> Holocaust promotional network. Personally I have never seen them
> referred to in all the many of thousands of pages I have reviewed that
> are put out by the Holocaust promotional network.
Apaprently you should *read* those pages rather than “reviewing”
them. The first two books on the Nuremberg trials mentioned them. Both books
are considered rather basic references as to what happened at the trials. I also
recall mention of it in Birkett’s diaries but I do not have the book at hand. As I
recall it was one of the few items produced by the Soviets that impressed him.
As to where the movie can be seen, I neither know nor care. Unlike
you I consider it of marginal importance to the question of waht happened there.
Certainly the photographs taken after liberation cannot give any sort of idea as
to what the KZ was like during operation. You, on the other hand, attach some
importance to their existence. Go find them yourself now that you know they
exist.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Dec 9 05:19:28 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Gore with the ultimate anti-Semitism…..
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> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> > Then perhaps you will explain why, contrary to general practice,
each of
> >the defendants was allowed to make a statement to the Court without being
subject
> >to cross-examination. Each was allowed to state whatever he wanted. None
made
> >the claim that the Holocaust was a “manufactured event.”
> But it was not allowed to question whether the holocaust had happened in
> the first place.
You are lying. Please cite me a section of the Charter, a ruling by the
Tribunal, or any objection to such evidence that was sustained on general
grounds.
Sory, nazi boy, no limits whatsoever were placed upon the *content* of
the statements of the defendants.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: DIE NAZI SCUM!!!
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> Keith Morrison writes:
> Doc Tavish wrote:
> > Bill I honestly tell you taht I am a product of my environment and I
> > must be the only “Brit” in a small Germanic town in Texas that has been
> > predominately German since the middle 1800s or so. I only pick up on the
> > sentiments of my local contacts. I have no reason to lie. Maybe I am in
> > a den of Nazi War Criminals but I must stick to my ground and speak of
> > what I perceive here- I made no claim that there was a national
> > sentiment to my statement.
> Say, Doc, have you packed your toothbrush? I seem to recall that you
> promised to take a trip to the Weisenthal center. Something about the
> floor, your tongue and a movie wasn’t it?
Perhaps we should all chip in for a large bottle of Listerine?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> > You are absolutely wrong. Which, given your utter ignorance of Rules
> >of Evidence is no surprise. The voice was identified. That is all that is
required. To
> >use one of your favorite analogies, the 911 tape of Nicole Brown Simpson
being
> >attacked by O.J. was admitted into evidence although it was never subjected
to a
> >voice print. It is the burden of those making the objection to provide such
material.
> The defense can challenge foundation otherwise anyone can produce a
> any tape saying anything and have it admitted without the need for any
> testing whatsoever. Revisionists challenge the tape and it would not
> be permitted without authentication.
Not on cross-examination. Foundation comes after the denial. Second
all that is required is that of the archivist. Once that is done the burden rests on
the objector to demonstrate that it not authentic. That is the point where we are
now.
> >> But then of course the chain of custody would also have to be
> >> establihsed.
> >
> > A piece of cake. Especially in a U.S. federal court. You call the
archivist
> >of the National Archives (where the tape resides). Put him on the stand for
fivve
> >minutes then, if a civil trial, make a motionto the judge for attorney’s and
witness fees
> >for frivolously requiring proof. He grants it without hesitation.
> Considering the trickery and falsehood associated with the Holocaust
> and questionable circumstances surrounding the tape no judge worth his
> robe would permit the tape to be admitted without further testing.
> The tape is inadmissible. Too bad your little Himmler tape is
> worthless. Care to authenticate?
Actually, given the status of material in the National Archives [cf. 44
U.S.C. 399 (a) for example] a judge acting as you suggest would be committing
reversible error.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Rants & Raves
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> the criminal Giwer using one of his silly psuedonyms writes:
> On Sun, 8 Dec 1996 08:55:02 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
> wrote:
> >This is the e-mail Matt Giwer sent to my ISP. Note that the
> >senile, unemployed drunkard also warns the ISP that he will be
> >mail-bombed if he doesn’t limit my postings.
> Not at all. It simply points out that what was done to my ISPs
> might happen to yours. As you holobuggers have insisted doing such a
> thing was completely innocent and harmless and without blame it is
> unclear how you can honestly (but we know you are dishonest) claim
> that the exact same thing is a threat when directed towards your ISP.
> And please, try to avoid being such a self serving liar in your
> response.
The self-serving liar is, of course, the criminal Giwer who, once more,
dips into extortion. Having sent a message in which he demands that Dr. Keren’s
ISP censor their client if they wish to “save” themselves a “hassle,” the criminal
Giwer then claims that his ISPs have been so threatened.
It is true that there have been complaints to the ISPs foolish enough to
take a few dollars from the criminal Giwer but, as usual, the criminal Giwer forgets
a few salient facts. To wit:
FACT: No ISP who has hosted the criminal Giwer has been threatened
with extra-legal annoyance. The criminal Giwer has done so in his e-mail.
FACT: Complaints were made to the criminal Giwer’s ISP when he
spammed this newsgroup posting the same long article approximately fifty times in
a few days. Dr. Keren has not done this.
FACT: Complaints were made to the criminal Giwer’s ISP when he
threatened the Nizkor website with “unspecified penalties” unless all reference to
his name was removed. Dr. Keren has not done this.
FACT: Complaints were made to the criminal Giwer’s ISP when he
mailbombed Nizkor with a 5 meg e-mail. Dr. Keren has not done this.
FACT: Complaints were made to the criminal Giwer’s ISP when he
criminally harrassed me and my family. Dr. Keren has not done this.
FACT: Complaints were made to the criminal Giwer’s ISP when he
violated the terms of the contract meant for the benefit of third parties to
which the criminal Giwer had agreed. Dr. Keren has not done this.
In short the criminal Giwer’s comparison of the complaints made against
him with his threatening letter to Dr. Keren’s ISP is a bit like a bank robber
complaining that he must be innocent because a depositor had also withdrawn
money from that same bank.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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> the criminal Giwer writes:
> On 8 Dec 1996 02:09:45 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> On 6 Dec 1996 03:57:12 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > It is only unclear to you. The voice was identified as Himmler’s only a few
> >kooks like you have claimed it is a forgery.
> Excuse me, identified by who or what, lying kike shyster?
The National Archives.
> > A piece of cake. Especially in a U.S. federal court. You call the archivist
> >of the National Archives (where the tape resides). Put him on the stand for fivve
> >minutes then, if a civil trial, make a motionto the judge for attorney’s and witness
fees
> >for frivolously requiring proof. He grants it without hesitation.
> And just how could the archivist testify as to the chain of custody
> before he received it? That was a rhetorical question, he would lie
> like a kike shyster.
Because it was used at Nuremberg and constitutes part of a certified court
record. No chain of custody is required. Instead of using some some trick technical
phrase you half-heard on a Perry Mason rerun, you might try learning what it means.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again
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> The Criminal Giwer one more demonstrates his ignorance of the IMT:
> On 8 Dec 1996 02:18:16 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Then perhaps you will explain why, contrary to general practice, each
of
> >the defendants was allowed to make a statement to the Court without being
subject
> >to cross-examination. Each was allowed to state whatever he wanted.
None made
> >the claim that the Holocaust was a “manufactured event.”
> More specific to your statement, perhaps you can explain why Goring
> was not permitted to make his statement?
I find it impossible to explain. I am in this position becasue I can find
no indication that he was prevented from doing so. In fact, Telford Taylor in
“The Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials” states;
A guard holding a pole with a microphone moved it within Goering’s
reach and he rose to speak:
“The prosecution in the final speeches, has treated the defendants
and their testimony as completely worthless. The statements made under oath
by the defendants were accepted as absolutely true when when they could
serve to support the Indictment, but conversely the statements were
characterized as perjurt when they refuted the Indictment. That is very
elementary, but it is not a convincing basis for demonstration of proof.”
Those who may have expected that Goering would say something
remarkable were surely disappointed. The flat denial that he had knowledge of
the “terrible mass murders” which he condemned and “cannot understand” was
followed with claims that he “did not want a war” and did not “bring it about.”
Only at the end of a short and very dull speech did Goering speak of his country:
“the only motive which guided me was my ardent love for my people, its
happiness, its freedom and its life. And for this I call on the Almighty and my
German people to witness.”
But such words from such a man did not ring true. Papen was beside
himself and at the luncheon break furiously attacked Goering: “Who in the world
is responsible for all this destruction if not you? . . . You haven’t taken the
resposibility for anything! All you do is make bombastic speeches. It is
disgraceful!” Goering laughed at him, but nobody joined in, and Goering won no
praise for his effort.”
–pages 535-6 (First Paperback Edition)
Now you can go tell your handlers that they have, once more,
misinformed you.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: kurt stele and his nuremberg “cite”
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> the Criminal Giwer shows his ignorance of the law again:
> On 6 Dec 1996 20:41:49 -0500, [email protected] (Charles R.L.
> Power) wrote:
> >Just to bend over backward, I’ll say that it isn’t clear to me
> >whether, when he started the questioning, Jackson did or didn’t
> >believe in the machine, or whether the rumors might have some
> >basis in reality. However, it’s crystal-clear that he didn’t
> >charge anyone with using such a device, so it would seem to any
> >reasonable observer that at worst, he accepted Speer’s representation
> >that the rumors were fantasies and abandoned any plans he may
> >have had to make such charges.
> >(Or our torturers failed to adequately instruct Speer that he was
> >supposed to back up the reports so we could persecute more innocent
> >Germans…. Why didn’t we pull off a couple of the sumbitch’s fingers,
> >anyhow?)
> Rather to point out again, the question was without foundation and
> as such would be inadmissable in a fair trial.
> But under those rules, they would have had to provide a foundation
> for the mass execution witness testimony also. That would have ruined
> everything.
It was *cross-examination* you ignorant fool. Foundation is presented
*after* the question and then only when the witness denies the truth f the
assertion. Since the follow-up question asked if the story was circulated as
propaganda and Speer stated that it was, there was no need to go further.
If you wnat to write about law, stop getting your legal ideas from Perry
Mason reruns.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: kurt stele and his nuremberg “cite”
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On 8 Dec 1996 02:27:57 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > It was *cross-examination* you ignorant fool. Foundation is presented
> >*after* the question and then only when the witness denies the truth f the
> >assertion. Since the follow-up question asked if the story was circulated as
> >propaganda and Speer stated that it was, there was no need to go further.
> >
> > If you wnat to write about law, stop getting your legal ideas from Perry
> >Mason reruns.
> Jackson clearly did not “ask” if the story was circulated as
> propaganda. Jackson presented it as a true event and Jackson even
> said he had evidence indicating the story was true.
Yes, dummy. That’s how cross examination works. For example, if Giwer
was being cross-examined it would be acceptable to ask:
“I have a document in front of me that state that Hebrew is not the
official language of Israel but used only for reading the Torah. Is that true or
false?”
The question neither states nor implies that I believe the contents of the
document.
> Still trying dazzle ’em with lies wrapped in legalese, eh Yale?
> Putting your law degree to good work I see.
No just trying to explain to some rather stupid and dishonest people how
you lied.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> the criminal Giwer tries to backtrack:
> On 9 Dec 1996 05:30:31 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> > Then perhaps you will explain why, contrary to general practice, each
> >of
> >> >the defendants was allowed to make a statement to the Court without being
> >subject
> >> >to cross-examination. Each was allowed to state whatever he wanted.
> >None made
> >> >the claim that the Holocaust was a “manufactured event.”
> >> More specific to your statement, perhaps you can explain why Goring
> >> was not permitted to make his statement?
> > I find it impossible to explain. I am in this position becasue I can find
> >no indication that he was prevented from doing so. In fact, Telford Taylor in
> >”The Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials” states;
> > A guard holding a pole with a microphone moved it within Goering’s
> >reach and he rose to speak:
> > “The prosecution in the final speeches, has treated the defendants
> >and their testimony as completely worthless. The statements made under oath
> >by the defendants were accepted as absolutely true when when they could
> >serve to support the Indictment, but conversely the statements were
> >characterized as perjurt when they refuted the Indictment. That is very
> >elementary, but it is not a convincing basis for demonstration of proof.”
> > Those who may have expected that Goering would say something
> >remarkable were surely disappointed. The flat denial that he had knowledge of
> >the “terrible mass murders” which he condemned and “cannot understand”
was
> >followed with claims that he “did not want a war” and did not “bring it about.”
> >Only at the end of a short and very dull speech did Goering speak of his
country:
> >”the only motive which guided me was my ardent love for my people, its
> >happiness, its freedom and its life. And for this I call on the Almighty and my
> >German people to witness.”
> > But such words from such a man did not ring true. Papen was beside
> >himself and at the luncheon break furiously attacked Goering: “Who in the
world
> >is responsible for all this destruction if not you? . . . You haven’t taken the
> >resposibility for anything! All you do is make bombastic speeches. It is
> >disgraceful!” Goering laughed at him, but nobody joined in, and Goering won
no
> >praise for his effort.”
> > –pages 535-6 (First Paperback Edition)
> I was referring to his attempted reading of an opening statement as
> follows.
Then why didn’t yopu say so. The posts were in reference to the final
statements by the defendants. Your post, as anyone with even a tangential
knowledge of the English language will notice, does not indicate that you were
starting a new topic. Indeed you strongly implied (or deliberately misrepresented
— observers can take their choice) that he was prevented from making his final
statement.
It is god to see that youy now recognize that Goering was, in fact,
permitted to make a statement to the Tribunal without limitation, cross-examination
or response. I take you are willing to concede as well that he did not state that
the Holocaust was a manufactured event even though he had such an
opportunity.
> “As Reichsmarschall of the Greater German Reich, I assume political
> resonsibility for my own acts. Although answerable for these acts
> only to the German people and to the Germany courts, I am nevertheless
> willing without recognizing the jurisdiction of this Tribunal, to
> provide it with any explanations that are desired and to speak the
> whole truth. I do however refuse to accept responsibility for acts
> committed by others — acts of which I was unaware and which I would
> not have approved of or been able to prevent had I known of them.”
> Sir Geoffrey Lawrence refused to let him read this statement.
You had better go back and tell your handlers they goofed again.
Goering did *not* try to make an opening statement (which was done by his
counsel Otto Stahmer); he attemted to read this statement when asked to plead to
the charges. That is the indictment was read and the defendants were asked for a
plea. The procedure set forth in Article 24 of the Charter was:
“The proceedings at the Trial shall take to following course:
“(a) The Indictment shall be read in court.
“(b) The Tribunal shall ask each Defendant whether he pleads “guilty” or
“not guilty.”
It was at this point that Goering stated “Before I answer the question of
the Tribunal whether or not I am guilty. . . . “. At this point Lawrence, quite properly,
ruled that he was out of order. (Taylor “The Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials”;
page 166). Tha is fairly standard procedure.
> Now that you know the pretense that he did not object to the
> jursidiction of the IMT is over.
What are you babbling about now? Not only has that statement not the
question to which I was responding (since you apparently did not read it the first
time it was whether the defendants had the opportunity to argue that the Holocaust
was a “manufactured” event) but I cannot recall anybody ever making that claim.
But this is how you operate, is it not? Two of your standard techniques
are apparent here. One is to fabricate some nonsense then, when it is exposed as
such claim that you said something else. The second to falsely put words into
someone’s mouth. Both are dishonest.
But you knew that already.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> Himmler’s Ponzan speech would be sent to experts
> to determine if the speech is authentic, the loser
> (whether it woulkd be Giwer or Nizkor) would pay
> the costs of the analysis.
> Are you game?
> All rightie, then….Mr. E. claims that becuase we do not come forth
> with the hundreds of thousands of dollars to subject this recording
> to detailed analysis, we are somehow in error…..Let’s turn this argument
> around for the sake of argument:
The cost estimated by a reputable laboratory (used by the NJ State
Police) was under $2000. The deal was, as well, that Nizkor would pay all costs
if it turned out not to be Himmler.
Put up or shut up.
–YFE
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In October, 1941, Hinrich Lohse., Riech Commisioner for the Baltic
States, prohibited the German forces in Latvia from murdering Jews. His concern
was not about the murders but that fact that they were being done
indiscriminately, that is without determining whether the murder victims were useful
to the war production industries. The SS, deprived of their fun, protested to the
Reich Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories, who immediately asked him to
explain his actions. On 15 November 1941 he wrote to the Reich Ministry asking:
“I have forbidden the indiscriminate executions of Jews in Lepaya
[Latvia] becasue they were not carried out in a justifiable manner.
“I should like to to be informed whether your inquiry of 31 October is to
be regarded as a directive to liquidate all Jews in the east. Is this to take place
without regard to age and sex and economic requirements (of the Wehrmacht, for
instance, for specialists in the armaments industry)? . . . . .
“So far I have not been able to find such a directive either in the
regulations regarding the Jewish question in the ‘Brown Portfolio’ or in other
directives.”
Nuremberg Document PS 3663 (the ellipsis is a handwritted marginal
note stating “Of course the cleansing of the east of Jews is a necessary task; its
solution, however, must be harmonized with the necessities of war production.” It
is unknown whether this note was part of Lohse’s report or was added in the
Reich Ministry when the reply was being formulated.)
Otto Brautigam, head of the political department of the Reich Ministry
for the Occupied Eastern Territories responded to Lohse stating in pertinent part;
“The Jewish question has probably been clarified by now through
verbal discussions. Economic considerations are to be regarded as fundementally
irrelevant in the settlement of the problem. Moreover, it is requested that
questions which arise should settled directly with the Senior SS and Police
Leaders.”
Nuremberg Document PS-3666
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Dec 10 05:43:09 PST 1996
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> the criminal Giwer still doesn’t get it:
> On 9 Dec 1996 07:06:19 GMT, [email protected] (Richard
> Schultz) wrote:
> >Kurt Stele ([email protected]) wrote:
> >: The tape is a likely forgery like so much else in the Holohoax.
> >Then why not take up the challenge to have it tested? You have absolutely
> >nothing to lose.
> Why has not the national archives taken a pleasant one hour drive
> down the road and had it done already?
Why bother? Only a few kooks think it is not Himmler and those, like
the criminal Giwer, have not the intestinal fortitude to put their prevarications to a
scientific test.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: kurt stele and his nuremberg “cite”
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> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Matt Giwer ([email protected]) under the name
> Force wrote:
> > Do you reallly think the lurkers are dumb enough to accept your
> >unsupported and otherwise undocumented claims?
> Well, the confessed liar Matt Giwer would appear to think that the
> lurkers are dumb enough to accept his unsupported and otherwise
> undocumented claims, even after he has been caught in mistake after
> mistake and lie after lie. So why not?
Even more surprising is that he expects them to believe that when a
prosecutor examines a defendant he is doing something other than
cross-examination. I wonder if a canvas of printers in the Tampa area would show a
recent large order for deeds to the Brooklyn Bridge?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> the criminal Giwer spews:
> On 9 Dec 1996 05:09:38 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> Excuse me, identified by who or what, lying kike shyster?
> > The National Archives.
>
> Ah, yes. From the man who brought us the imaginary affiliation of
> the Freeman brothers. But then, who in fact identified it and by what
> means? As you certainly know, the NA (not the one you love) acts
> through experts and presents the opinion of the expert as a sponsored
> determination.
And they have considered the tape as a speech by Himmler.
> >> And just how could the archivist testify as to the chain of custody
> >> before he received it? That was a rhetorical question, he would lie
> >> like a kike shyster.
> > Because it was used at Nuremberg and constitutes part of a certified
court
> >record. No chain of custody is required. Instead of using some some trick
technical
> >phrase you half-heard on a Perry Mason rerun, you might try learning what it
means.
> Then you are saying that all that can be said about it is that it
> was used in the same trial where the Soviets murdered a couple hundred
> people to create a movie to be used against the defendants.
No, asshole that establishes the chain of custody.
> Believe me, good sir, I am impressed with that as an authenticating
> source. At least, according to the lying kike shyster, we know at
> least that it was used in a show trial. But as to the speaker, we
> still know nothing other than the claim of people who murdered to
> create false evidence.
You did not ask about authenticity, you asked about chain of custody.
By the way, criminal one, we are still waiting for you to back up a
single one of your many claims about the Nuremberg Trials. Surely there is at
least one that is not a lie.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: kurt stele and his nuremberg “cite”
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> the criminal Giwer hasn’t a clue:
> On 9 Dec 1996 01:21:44 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Yes, dummy. That’s how cross examination works. For example, if
Giwer
> >was being cross-examined it would be acceptable to ask:
> > “I have a document in front of me that state that Hebrew is not the
> >official language of Israel but used only for reading the Torah. Is that true or
> >false?”
> > The question neither states nor implies that I believe the contents of
the
> >document.
> And, given the legal genius who asks the quesiton, the answer would
> be …
> “I have no idea what the document in front of you says nor even if
> you have a document in front of you, fool. For all I know you are
> lying.”
At which point the judge would instruct you to answer the question.
> Then the silly, lying kike would have to present the document to at
> least show the court he had a document and was not attempting to
> mislead the court, the court being the superior party in the case.
Wrong. I have a right to answer to my question. This is
impeachment. By the way the court is not a party to any case.
> Then its contents would have to be introduced into evidence to
> indicate what it said. And then the shyster’s client would replace
> the shyster because the witness made a fool of him.
Wrong again. The document would only be marked if the witness
denied it existed.
> And then it would be clear the shyster was lying and that he
> attempted to deceive the court with his assertion and the judge would
> likely hold him in contempt if not refer him for disciplinary action.
Wrong again. No laywer would ask that question unless he had the
document.
> And you really would ask a question as stupid as you proposed to
> ask. That does not say much for the legal talent available in
> Pennsylvania.
No criminal one. The question would be asked. You would be
required to answer it. When you denied it existed *you* not the court would be
presented with the document. And the jury would be snickering at the idiot who
wrote such nonsense.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Worthless Photo Evidence
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> Post war photos of Typhus victims having nothing to do with any
> “exterminations”.
You can diagnose typhus from photographs?
I really hope that you are going to write up this technique and submit it
to a medical journal or two.
[Moranic drivel snipped because it is stupid even for him]
> Presentation or referral to the photos as evidence for the
> Holocaust story is corrupt.
The only “corruption” you note is the foul smell from your bigoted
lies.
–YFE
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> the criminal Giwer spews:
> On Mon, 09 Dec 1996 23:27:53 +0000, Chuck Ferree
> wrote:
> >This is getting out of hand. You guys are getting close to libel,
> >because your accusations are lies and you can’t prove a word. I’m not
> >surprised by your lies, but you had better be a little careful when
> >you say that Chuck Ferree said this or that, unless you prove, exactly
> >what was said, it’s just a lie.
> >Force is Matt Giwer,
> How do you know? You are aware that there is no way to prove
> authorship of any post in usenet are you not? What will that do to
> your “libel” accusation?
Other than Perry Mason reruns do you have a single reference to back
up this absurd claim. Netcom.net thought otherwise. Att.net thought otherwise.
Certainly gte.net thinks otherwise.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: “Air Photo Evidence” – Treblinka
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> You say there is something written in a book? You say “several
> chapters”?
That is frequently the case.
> Of course this would be ‘testimony’ – right? Would anyone
> be able to prove any of it? Is there any documentation other than what
> someone said?
Why don’t you look at the book and find out. That’s what most people
would do. If they had questions they would look at the footnotes and the
references.
> Now this is more like it. “Pictures”.
For an illiterate clown like you.
> You say Arad’s book
> includes several pictures, from the Kurt Franz Album? Are any of these
> pictures carried by other Holocaust books, museums, websites – like –
> Nizkor? If not, would you know why?
Why don’t you look at the books and check? You’ve been told in the
past what books are. They can be found in libraries. For your future reference:
“library: 1. a room or building where a collection of books. periodicals, etc. is kept
2. an institutionin charge of the care and circulation of such a collection; 3. a
collection of books periodicals, etc.” (Webster’s New World Dictionary).
Is this process starting to become clear to you?
> I might think this book by Arad might be a bit difficult for
> people to get a hold of
Not really. Most people know what a library is. Now that you have this
basic knowledge perhaps you could experiment.
> and it might be a service of Nizkor to include
> these photos in their files.
Are you volunteering to do and/or pay for the work?
> Or perhaps you could post them yourself.
Or perhaps, now that you know what a “book” is and what a “library”
is, you could do your own work.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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> the criminal Giwer still can’t figure it out:
> On 9 Dec 1996 23:13:17 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> > Because it was used at Nuremberg and constitutes part of a certified
> >court
> >> >record. No chain of custody is required. Instead of using some some trick
> >technical
> >> >phrase you half-heard on a Perry Mason rerun, you might try learning what
it
> >means.
> Only from the time it was turned over to the NA and then the
> custody testimony can only start at the point it was turned over. He
> can not testify to the chain of custody prior to receiving it.
> Therefore it is incomplete.
Wrong again. No cahin of custdy is required for a court record.
> I questioned its authenticity. The subject of custody came up.
> Noting of substance has been introduced in that matter. The chain of
> custody prior to the NA receiving it has not been addressed. Where
> was it found?
It most certainly has. The problem is that you know a phrase but not its
meaning.
> I have done much more than you have in your drunken ravings
> including conclusive demonstration of manufactured evidence by the
> Soviets which likely included the murder of a couple hundred people to
> fake the evidence.
Please post this marvelous proof of “manufactured” evidence. Be very
specific.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: kurt stele and his nuremberg “cite”
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> the criminal Giwer blows it:
> And in a fair trial, something the lying kike shyster will not
> consider, if the defense does not bring it up in direct examination,
> the prosecution can not go into it in cross. But in this case, the
> shyster claims it was permitted. Therefore, it was not a fair trial.
The criminal Giwer heard another phrase on Perry Mason but:
1. The credibility of a witness is *always* at issue on cross. That
prohibition only applies to substantive testimony not impeachment. If, for example,
a witness has a prior conviction for perjury and it is not mentioned on direct, it can
still be used on cross.
2. Speer testified on direct about both the German r&d and armaments
and their propaganda efforts at the end of the war. *Anything* concerned with
either of those topics is therefore fair game on cross.
3. No objection was made at trial. it is therefore waived.
4. the criminal Giwer has not read the testimony of Speer and,
therefore, does not know what happened on direct.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Drew Stowers) writes:
> the criminal Giwer under one of his psuedonyms wrote:
> > Hang on there. Verified pre- and post-WWII population statistics
> >are one of the things that the holohuggers have refused to post. As
> >you have such figures, please post them and the sources. Much
> >appreciated.
> The Nuremberg indictment list the Jewish dead at 5.7 million. The
> estimate population of Jews living in Nazi occupied Europe was 10
> million. (A different estimate was anywhere between 4.5 million and
> 4.1 million.)
You should note that you are responding to an admitted liar who has a
rather vivid imagination and no scruples whatsoever who is playing a game. He has
been informed several times where such statisitics can be found including “Appendix
A: The Fate of the Jews in Hitler’s Europe” in Lucy Dawidowicz’s “The War Against
the Jews; 193-1945) (pages 357-401 of the paperback edition). He is, however, too
lazy or too stupid to look them up.
You should be warned as well that, not only are attempts to have a serious
discussion with Giwer impossible (he has specifically stated that he will not debate) but
his reactions have included such illegal and/or improper activities for which his
service has been terminated from four providers as:
1. forging the names of others to posts;
2. mailbombing his opponents and/or their ISPs;
3. criminally harassing you with obscene e-mail;
4. death threats;
5. openly fabricating lies which are actionable as defamation and an
outrageous invasion of privacy.
He has other nasty habits as well.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> the criminal Giwer shows his ignorance:
> On 11 Dec 1996 04:59:34 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Wrong again. No chain of custody is required for a court record.
>
> OJ’s criminal defense attornies should have been told that. They
> wasted weeks challenging what was not required in the first place.
> You do remember trying to show a time when Det. VanAtter might have
> had access to the blood samples?
I do not recall a single court record introduced in the O.J. trial.
> You truly have no compunction against lying when it suits you even
> though literally millions watched the court case on TV know a chain of
> custody is a requirement.
Not of a matter that is an exhibit in a court record. No such exhibits were
introduced in the O.J. trial; all questions as to chain of custody were concerned
with physical evidence held by the police.
> Is that what is called chutzpah?
No. It’s what’s called educating an ignoramus (you) about the real
meaning of a technical term. To recap:
1. The chain of custody of the tape is established by calling to the stand
the official at the National Archives supervising the maintanance of the tape. In
order to establish that custody he may utilize the business records of the National
Archives.
2. The prior history is established by the certified record of the IMT.
3. No further testimony is required.
4. Unless you present the court with a reasonable grounds for
questioning the tape (i.e. some hard evidence) the judge is going to have a snit
becasue you wasted his time. (Note: O.J.’s attorneys presented hard evidence
that the required police procedures as to preserving evidence had not been
followed and expert tetimony that indicated tampering with some of the physical
evidence).
5. Your claim that the chain of evidence is not complete is based on
your speculation that the tape is a forgery, your ignorance of the technical
requirements of proving a chain of evidence, and your unsupported opinion of the
IMT.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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> the criminal Giwer, writing under an alias, his dishonest methodology:
> >:>On 8 Dec 1996 02:09:45 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >:>> It is only unclear to you. The voice was identified as Himmler’s only a
few
> >:>>kooks like you have claimed it is a forgery.
To which the criminal Giwer engaged in his usual defamation and
invasion of pivacy:
> >:> Excuse me, identified by who or what, lying kike shyster?
To whcih Gordon McFee was silly enough to give a real answer:
> >By expert David Irving, drunken criminal loser.
> >By “revisionist” hero Robert Faurisson, drunken criminal loser.
> >By Friedrich Berg, “revisionist”, native German, drunken criminal loser.
Having been soundly trouced the criminal Giwer decided to retreat:
> I do not appeal to authorities.
It should be noted that the criminal Giwer *did* ask for the names of
those who indentified it. Unfortunately it is also clear that the criminal Giwer does
not believe in either expert testimony or (since he has refused the challenge of
Nizkor to have the tape tested) scientific testimony. What he believes in are the
fabrications of his fetid imagination.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Blackmore/Bellinger
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:
> >Oh, I think you know, Mr. Thomas, as your deafening silence over the
challenge
> >demonstrates.
> CODOH’s method when challenged is sparkling silence. So much for
> _really_ wanting any kind of debate.
On the other hand, Thomas has made no claims about the authenticity
of the tape. Until he does so, I cannot see how the challenge was addressed to
him.
–YFE
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From: [email protected]net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: kurt stele and his nuremberg “cite”
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On 9 Dec 1996 01:21:44 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> >> On 8 Dec 1996 02:27:57 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
wrote:
> >> > It was *cross-examination* you ignorant fool. Foundation is presented
> >> >*after* the question and then only when the witness denies the truth f the
> >> >assertion. Since the follow-up question asked if the story was circulated
as
> >> >propaganda and Speer stated that it was, there was no need to go
further.
> >> Jackson clearly did not “ask” if the story was circulated as
> >> propaganda. Jackson presented it as a true event and Jackson even
> >> said he had evidence indicating the story was true.
> > Yes, dummy. That’s how cross examination works. For example, if
Giwer
> >was being cross-examined it would be acceptable to ask:
> > “I have a document in front of me that state that Hebrew is not the
> >official language of Israel but used only for reading the Torah. Is that true or
> >false?”
> > The question neither states nor implies that I believe the contents of
the
> >document.
> >JACKSON: Now, I have certain information, which was placed in my hands,
> >of an experiment which was carried out near Auschwitz and I would
> >like to ask you if you heard about it or knew about it.
> Jackson presents it as a serious claim, and then goes into great
> detail about the claim.
Not when you read the question and the follow-up questions which
clearly indicate that it was cross-examination on the propaganda stories
circulated.
> >The purpose of the experiment was to find a quick and complete
> >way of destroying people without the delay and trouble of
> >shooting and gassing and burning, as it had been carried out,
> >and this is the experiment, as I am advised. A village, a small
> >village was provisionally erected, with temporary structures, and
> >in it approximately 20,000 Jews were put. By means of this
> >newly invented weapon of destruction, these 20,000 people
> >were eradicated almost instantaneously, and in such a way
> >that there was no trace left of them; that it developed, the explosive
> >developed, temperatures of from 400o to 500o centigrade and
> >destroyed them without leaving any trace at all.
> >Do you know about that experiment?
> Jackson asks Speer whether or not Speer knew of this “experiment.”
> That Jackson was seriously questioning Speer about a Nazi evaporation
> device reveals the depth of absurdity in the Nuremberg Show Trial,
> along with the quality of the “information” presented there (sic).
Since Speer admitted that such stories were circulated, Jackson’s
cross seems to be dead on. Now post the follow-up questions. And while you’re
at it, post something that shows this something other than cross-examination as
you have claimed.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: kurt stele and his nuremberg “cite”
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> the criminal Giwer demonstrates how to be held in contempt of court:
> On 11 Dec 1996 05:20:13 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> > Yes, dummy. That’s how cross examination works. For example, if
> >Giwer
> >> >was being cross-examined it would be acceptable to ask:
> >> > “I have a document in front of me that state that Hebrew is not the
> >> >official language of Israel but used only for reading the Torah. Is that true
or
> >> >false?”
> >> > The question neither states nor implies that I believe the contents of
> >the
> >> >document.
> >> And, given the legal genius who asks the quesiton, the answer would
> >> be …
> >
> >> “I have no idea what the document in front of you says nor even if
> >> you have a document in front of you, fool. For all I know you are
> >> lying.”
> > At which point the judge would instruct you to answer the question.
> I did. You made a statement about the document itself rather than
> the contents of the document. It is called english. At best your can
> learn to phrase a question properly.
No. You answered the question you wanted to answer, not the
question that was asked. Upon my request the court would direct you to answer.
> > Wrong. I have a right to answer to my question. This is
> >impeachment. By the way the court is not a party to any case.
> As for the court not being a party, then the court can not
> adjudicate perjury as it was towards an individual and a civil matter.
A court does not “adjudicate” perjury, it can only refer the matter to the
state for prosecution. Moreover, that offense, as is contempt, is directed to the
court not the party.
The remainder of the criminal Giwer’s demonstration that he does not
know whereof he speaks deleted.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: kurt stele and his nuremberg “cite”
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> the criminal Giwer lies again:
> On 11 Dec 1996 05:10:12 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
> >> the criminal Giwer blows it:
> > 1. The credibility of a witness is *always* at issue on cross. That
> >prohibition only applies to substantive testimony not impeachment. If, for
example,
> >a witness has a prior conviction for perjury and it is not mentioned on direct, it
can
> >still be used on cross.
> Here he forgets that millions of people followed the OJ trial and
> know the reason OJ was not on the stand. He would have had to say
> something with regard to the murders and his actions and thus open all
> of those subjects up to cross-examination.
Apparently the criminal Giwer cannot read. That is exactly what I
stated in the following:
> > 2. Speer testified on direct about both the German r&d and armaments
> >and their propaganda efforts at the end of the war. *Anything* concerned
with
> >either of those topics is therefore fair game on cross.
> He was a friendly witness and volunteered information in return for
> staying alive. So?
No. Speer was not a “friendly witness.”
> Excuse me but he did not have the protections of the US
> Constitution to decline to testify. Or are you going to claim that he
> did?
The question is irrelevant. He was *not* called to the stand by the
prosecution (none of the defendants were). He was put on the stand by his
attorney and subjected to cross examination. Since, by the time this occurred,
the prosecution had rested he most certainly could have declined to testify.
> The boozing jews still dances naked with a yellow star pinned
> through his nipple.
Thank you for admitting, yet again, that you are making this all up.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Gore with the ultimate anti-Semitism…..
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message – [email protected]
(Ole
> Kreiberg)Sun, 08 Dec 1996 22:06:02 +0100 writes:
> :>But it was not allowed to question whether the holocaust had happened in
> :>the first place.
> Wrong. There were no limits on what the defendants could say in their
> statements to the court.
Not only were there no restrictions on content but the statements
were given *after* the closing arguments of the prosecution. Not only were the
defendants not cross-examined on their statements but the prosecution was not
permitted to respond to any of the statements.
No “revisionist” has ever posted a single jurisdiction where such a
procedure is permitted. It is permitted neither by anglo-american jurisprudence
or the Code Napoleon.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Nazi discusses war crimes (And response to Chuck)
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> [email protected] (Jim Stuart) writes:
> [email protected] writes
> > I’m looking for your follow-ups to the original thread. Since Giwer has
> > goaded you to take what I wrote out of context, and now accuse me of
being
> > a war criminal who should be sent to Germany for trial, I think you both
> > need to double check your own writing, and exactly what I wrote in
> > context, in order for your lies to be corrected. Whether an apology is
> > issued, makes no difference to me, although I do believe one is in order,
> > but being labeled a war criminal is pretty harsh business.
> > Chuck Ferree
> Chuck, my old files show the following quote from one of your old
> posts, dated prior to 27 Nov, 1996:
> > Sure the RAF bombed civilians, the US Air Force bombed civilians, The
> > German-Austrians bombed civilians, before any one else…in Spain and
> > Ethiopia. Japan bombed civilians, hell every one with airplanes bombed
> > civilians. I personally bombed civilians and strafed them too. It was
> > a war, man!
> According to this, you stated that you personally bombed civilians and
> strafed them too. So:
> If you did knowingly and intentionally bomb and strafe civilians,
> then yes, Chuck, I believe that your actions would fall within
> the definition of a war crime. The conclusion about your particular
> status would follow from that.
Your definition is incomplete. You are, unfortunately, leaving
something out of the equation. Specifically the phrase “of no military
significance.” There is nothing “criminal” about attacking civilians contributing
to the war effort. By your definition u-boat warfare — which was an attack upon
*civilian* shipping — was a war crime. Likewise, so would be attacking a troop
train in occupied France (the French railroads were run by civilians). Likewise
the bombing of Ploesti (operated by civilians) or the Penemunde rocket bases
(where many of the workers were slave laborers) would be labelled “war
crimes” by your definition. Since your definition produces unacceptable results
it cannot be considered a good one.
A fighter pilot assigned to strafe railroads (and if I remember correctly
the Thunderbolt was considered especially good for this purpose) was
attacking civilian targets but is not, by any strecth of the imagination a war
criminal.
> So you see, Chuck; we Nazi’s aren’t so evil after all, are we? And
> we never were. The government lied to you about us, and about Adolf
> Hitler. If you only knew the brilliance of the Fuhrer’s vision;
> if you would only open your eyes to the truth of Mein Kampf, you
> would see that National Socialism is the best hope for the future
> of the world!
Unless, of course, if you are a gypsy, a Jew, A Pole, A Slovak, a
Czech, a Slovene, a Slav, a “useless life” or any other member of a group that
your heros considered inferior. In that case, you “best hope” would be a quick
death. The alternative was slavery or slow starvation.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> “Thomas Stedham” writes:
> Semitic semantics! Now they are saying that nobody claimed 4 million JEWS
> were killed at Auschwitz, so that doesn’t lower the jew body count…
That is correct. The claim was never made. The Poles claimed that
4,000,000 PEOPLE were murdered there.
> My question is this: if, before 1990, 6 million jews had been killed in the
> holocaust, how many were counted as coming from Auschwitz?
1.0 to 1.5 million.
> It seems to me
> that if you drop that overall Auschwitz total from 4 million to 1.5
> million, it is reasonable to assume that you would lose a few jews, too.
That is not how the number was calculated.
> But not according to “Brian McVay” from Nizkor and other deluded persons
> who wrote me. No, according to all of them, miraculously, the total jewish
> body count remains at, surprise, 6 MILLION!! So, I guess they had the right
> count all along, and just didn’t want to share it with anyone.
Since the accurate figures have been presented by every historian
since 1950, the unwillingness “to share” was only with the lazy or the illiterate
who refused to read their books.
> So, how many jews did the jews say were killed at Auschwitz, BEFORE
> relentless pressure from revisionists forced them to lower their count?
> That’s the key. Because if they used a figure that doesn’t jibe with the
> above tally, then it is just plain wrong, according to one of their own
> leading “experts.”
The figure since Reitlinger wrote the first serious history of the
Holocaust (most likely before you were born) is 1.0 to 1.5 million.
> Where does this holy 6 million figure come from?
There have been various methods for computing the number that
were murdered by the nazis. *None* used the figures you suggest. If you wish
to examine the methods used by one respected historian, read Appendix A:
“The Fate of the Jews in Hitler’s Europe by Country” in “The War Against the
Jews: 1933-1945) by Lucy Dawidowicz written in 1975. If you just want open
your mouth and spout anti_semitc bullshit don’t bother. The facts will just
confuse you.
> Jewish math, semitic semantics, it’s all cover for the same thing: protect
> the holocaust story at all costs, no matter how absurd…
Apparently it’s the latter.
–YFE
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> the criminal Giwer charges:
> On 10 Dec 1996 22:44:25 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> We know that Matt Giwer has no assets worth pursuing in a libel
> >> action. How about you?
> > Perhaps the criminal Giwer does not, but his ISP does.
> A typical kike shyster suggesting a harrassing lawsuit knowing full
> well he is making another jew terrorist suggestion.
NO! I am suggesting that a person who you have, with malice, lied
about consider a a legal action against one of the parties responsible for that
tortious act. Of course, you do not like it. It would interfer with your deliberate and
illegal harassment of others.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> > Unless, of course, if you are a gypsy, a Jew, A Pole, A Slovak, a
> >Czech, a Slovene, a Slav, a “useless life” or any other member of a group
> >that your heros considered inferior. In that case, you “best hope” would
> >be a quick death. The alternative was slavery or slow starvation.
> Slavs like Slovaks, Croats and Bulgarians got well along with Nazi-
> Germany. Germanic nations like Holland and Norway were treated much
worse
> than e.g. Slovakia by Germany.
Sure, nazi boy. Your nazi heroes just loved the Slavs:
As Hitler (your hero) wrote in “Mein Kamph” :
“If land was desired in Europe, it could be obtained by and large only
at the expense of Russia and this meant that the new Reich must again set
itself on the march along the road of the Teutonic Knights of old, to obtain by
the German sword sod for the German plow and daily bread for the nation.”
(Houghton Mifflin translation 1943 in two volumes; Vol I., page 140.)
His henchman, likewise, had not illusions about what Hilter meant.
“We are a master race, which must remember that the lowliest
German worker is racially and biologically a thousand times more valuable than
the population here.”
Erich Koch, Reich Commissioner for the Ukraine March 5, 1943.
(N.D. PS-1130; Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression Vol. III pages 798-799)
“the Slavs are to work for us. In so far as we don’t need them, they
may die. Therefore compulsory vaccination and German health services are
superfluous. The fertility of the Slavs is undesirable. They may use use
contraceptives of practice abortion — the more the better. Education is
dangerous. It is enough if they can up to 100 . . . . . as for food they won’t get
any more than absolutely necessary. We are the master. We come first.”
Memorandum of an aide to Alfred Rosenberg, Reich Commissioner for
the Eastern Occupied Territories summarizing a letter from Martin Bormann
reiterating Hitler’s views on the east. (N.D. R-36; Nazi Conspiracy and
Agression, Vol. VIII, page 53)
The Poles fared no better. In a memorandum from Martin Bormann to
Hans Frank, Governor General of Poland: “The task of the priest is to keep the
Poles quiet, stupid and dull-witted . . . . . indespensable to bear in mind that the
Polish gentry must cease to exist; however cruel this may sound, they must be
exterminated . . . . . There should be one master only for the Poles, the German.
Two master, side by side, cannot and must not exist. Therefore, all
representatives of the Polish intelligentsia are to be exterminated. This sounds
cruel, but such is the law of life. (N.D. USSR-172, Trial of the Major War
Criminals, Volume VII pages 224-226)
Hitler’s plans for the Czechs, half to be shipped to Germany as slave
labor and the rest “eliminated” dated October 15, 1940, can be found in a
report of Gen. Gotthard Heinrici, Deputy General of the Wehrmacht in the
Protectorate N.D. PS-1919; Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression, Vol. III, pages
618-619.
Do you have any more fantasies about how the nazis treated Slavs,
nazi boy?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dr. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] writes:
> It doesn’t make sense because the combination of wartime shortages and the
> German penchant for efficiency would not have allowed or considered,
> respectively, such wasteful and inept handling of the situation. One of
> the claims I’ve read, I think here, is that Germany devoted significant
> amount of resources to support this supposed Rube Goldberg operation
> because killing Jews was more important to the Third Reich than the fact
> that they were being overrun by Russians. Sorry, but I can’t hang with
> that one.
Excerpt from a directive sent from Otto Brautigam, director of the political
department of the Reich Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories to Hinrich
Lohse, Reich Commissioner for the Baltic States on 15 November 1941 (i.e. while the
triple thrust against the Soviet Union crucial to making a quick end to the war in the
east and including the crucial military events known as the siege of Leningrad, the
battle of Stalingrad, and the battle of Kursk were being planned):
“The Jewish question has probably been clarified by now through verbal
discussions. Economic considerations [including the requirements of the Wehrmacht]
are to be regarded as fundementally irrelevant in the settlement of the problem.”
Nuremberg Document PS-3666.
> Your illustrations involve either insane people or inanimate objects for
> comparison to the German psyche (your wife excepted, of course–I
> suppose?:-) That’s another popular conception that has no basis in
> fact–that German operations were conducted in a maniacal, often
> nonsensical or completely inhuman manner. That the whole thing was a
> series of unfathomable actions put together in a maniacal fashion. They
> had their share of deranged individuals in positions of power, maybe more
> than their share, but this hardly applies to the average German, nor to
> the “German way” of doing things, which stressed efficiency and
> excellence. That has long been and still is a cultural trademark. And so
> very many of these eyewitness accounts fly directly in the face of that
> obvious fact with their attribution of crude and nonsensical procedures
> put together by stupid madmen.
Perhaps this because some rather stupid madmen were running the show.
Have you read the chapter on Hitler in “The Mask of Command” by John Keegan.
He documents how the general staff — who might have behaved as you suggest —
were systematically excluded from policy considerations and how this exclusion
progressed during the war?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> the criminal Giwer spews writes:
> >> How do you know? You are aware that there is no way to prove
> >> authorship of any post in usenet are you not? What will that do to
> >> your “libel” accusation?
> > Other than Perry Mason reruns do you have a single reference to back
> >up this absurd claim. Netcom.net thought otherwise. Att.net thought
otherwise.
> >Certainly gte.net thinks otherwise.
> You ignorance of usenet is overwhelming. You should learn
> something about it some day.
The criminal Giwer admits that he just made it up.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Two Documents that the “Revisionists” Won’t Explain
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> [email protected] (Tutu101) writes:
> Concerning Lohse: Where did this document originate, if I may ask? (Not
> from Lohse, as some smart alecks here might reply). But how, when, where,
> and by whom was it discovered and submitted as evidence. Lohse, by the
> way, was murdered by an assassin in 1943 in Russia.
It was taken from the archives of the Reich Ministry (as indicated by the
exhibit number). It was submitted by the prosecution at Nuremberg.
Since you were given the source, start doing your own research.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Tutu101) writes:
> Could this classify as another insult? Is this how you respond to a
> person who indicates a willingness to discuss matters peacefully. Ken
> Lewis words are highly provocative as well as insulting. From what I have
> read these many months, this is a typical response from Holocaust
> believers. Your use of insults and name calling will not win you many
> converts.
Have you told this to the criminal Giwer.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> >tom moran wrote:
> >> From reading their material for over 15 years it is my opinion
> >> that Jews in general just hate others, in general.
> >Ok, now tell me that THAT is not antisemitism.
> It’s up to you to say it is. After you announce it you can prove
> it.
Res ipsa loquitor. That is: your statement is anti-Semitic. This is not
surprising. You are an anti-Semite. As you know, I am willing to prove that
statement before an impartial tribunal.
Do you want to challenge me to do so?
Now go run and hide.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Kreiberg, Caught in a Lie, Stamps His Foot
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> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) told us that the Slavs just loved
being nazi
slaves in replying, of course, he snipped his lie:
> In article <[email protected]>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
> > Sure, nazi boy. Your nazi heroes just loved the Slavs:
> > As Hitler (your hero) wrote in “Mein Kamph” :
> Hitler, the Kraut – my hero?
Since, apaprently you are an ethnic German your comment is silly.
> > “If land was desired in Europe, it could be obtained by and large only
> >at the expense of Russia and this meant that the new Reich must again set
> >itself on the march along the road of the Teutonic Knights of old, to obtain by
> >the German sword sod for the German plow and daily bread for the nation.”
> >(Houghton Mifflin translation 1943 in two volumes; Vol I., page 140.)
> They were against the Slavs in Russia, Ukraine and Poland, because they
> wanted to grab some of their territory
No, nazi boy, *all* of their territory. Their annouced program, as
demonstrated, was to enslave and/or exterminate the locals. Nor was this
restricted to the places you named.
> “We are a master race, which must remember that the lowliest
> >German worker is racially and biologically a thousand times more valuable than
> >the population here.”
> A lot of silly German chauvinism.
Please note that nazi boy Krieberg eliminated the citation which
demonstrated that far from being a statement of “silly German chauvinism” was an
internal planning memorandum and directive.
> > “the Slavs are to work for us. In so far as we don’t need them, they
> >may die.
> From the Jewish Bible, Talmud. The Bible of “God’s chosen people” teachs:
> The Earth was created only for the sake of the Jews. (Vayikra Rabba 36)
Nazi boy Kreiberg responds to an attack on his beloved nazis with a
burst of foot stomping anti-Semitism. Apparently his bigotry is compounded by
ignorance. Anybody who has read the Talmud know that the citation he gives for
the supposed “quotations” are fraudulent. Will nazi boy go back and tell his
handlers they misinformed him again. Don’t bet on it.
Poor little nazi boy, he probably still believes in his discredited philosophy
that, once more, he has been caught lying about.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: kurt stele and his nuremberg “cite”
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> >> >JACKSON: Now, I have certain information, which was placed in my
hands,
> >> >of an experiment which was carried out near Auschwitz and I would
> >> >like to ask you if you heard about it or knew about it.
> >> Jackson presents it as a serious claim, and then goes into great
> >> detail about the claim.
> > Not when you read the question and the follow-up questions which
> >clearly indicate that it was cross-examination on the propaganda stories
> >circulated.
> Jackson didn’t ask Speer if it was a propaganda story. Instead
> Jackson presented the facts associated with it as true.
No, He asked whether Speer knew about it or heard about it. His
follow up question is very clear.
> If Jackson wanted to ask Speer about the veracity of the story or the
> use of propaganda Jackson would have. Jackson didn’t.
Wrong. He used a standard technique of cross-examination.
> You have never posted it was direct or cross-examination as you have
> been asked to do. If the excerpt is cross-examination you have yet
> to prove it and if you do it still does not help.
Only a lying ignoramus like you would be confused as to whether a
prosecutor examining a defendant is cross-examining him. Even if Jackson
would have called him to the stand (he didn’t) it would be cross-examination.
> Jackson presented
> it as a serious claim and one that actually happened. U.S Prosecutors
> were thus inquiring into “Jew vaporization devices” at Nuremberg. So
> much for the “credibility” (sic) of the Nuremberg trials.
That is your misinterpretation. It should be noted that it comes from
someone who needs proof that when a prosecutor examines a defendant it is
cross-examination.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On 11 Dec 1996 04:03:20 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> >> Post war photos of Typhus victims having nothing to do with any
> >> “exterminations”.
> > You can diagnose typhus from photographs?
> > I really hope that you are going to write up this technique and submit it
> >to a medical journal or two.
> Alongside your article that one can diagnose gassing from photos,
> especially bodies which appear emaciated and sickly, the common state
> of bodies after typhus or starvation.
Of course, no one has made this statement, Stele is lying again.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Gore with the ultimate anti-Semitism…..
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On 12 Dec 1996 02:23:52 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> >> Wrong. There were no limits on what the defendants could say in their
> >> statements to the court.
> > Not only were there no restrictions on content but the statements
> >were given *after* the closing arguments of the prosecution. Not only were the
> >defendants not cross-examined on their statements but the prosecution was not
> >permitted to respond to any of the statements.
> Entirely worthless concessions considering the Allied Kangaroo court
> completely dispensed with hearsay rules and German “witnesses” e.g.,
> Hoess were tortured.
Another idiot heard from:
1. Please name a jurisdiction using anglo-american law where a
defendant may make a statement to the finder of fact without cross-examination or
rebuttal.
2. Please name a single item of evidence entered into evidence by the
Tribunal that does not conform to Rule 803 or Rule 804 of the U.S. Code of
Evidence.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> Doc Tavish <“[email protected]”@phoenix.net> writes:
> Well done Ian. I want to know why Talmuds aren’t readily available for
> all to read. I can get a Bible at Wal-Mart, a Koran at a book store, the
> Hare Krishnas will provide you with anything you want when you encounter
> them, Jehovah’s Witnesses will knock at your door and very willing to
> supply you with all of their publications but why such a dearth when it
> comes to the Talmud?
Have you checked your local bookstore?
Locally the following chains carry (or will order) the Talmud:
Border’s (both the Seinsaltz and Soncino translations)
Barnes & Noble (Soncino tranlation)
Encore (Seinsaltz tranlation)
On the other hand, not a single local supermarket or drugstore has a
copy.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On 12 Dec 1996 01:36:13 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > No. It’s what’s called educating an ignoramus (you) about the real
> >meaning of a technical term. To recap:
> > 1. The chain of custody of the tape is established by calling to the stand
> >the official at the National Archives supervising the maintanance of the tape. In
> >order to establish that custody he may utilize the business records of the
National
> >Archives.
> > 2. The prior history is established by the certified record of the IMT.
> > 3. No further testimony is required.
> > 4. Unless you present the court with a reasonable grounds for
> >questioning the tape (i.e. some hard evidence) the judge is going to have a snit
> >becasue you wasted his time. (Note: O.J.’s attorneys presented hard evidence
> >that the required police procedures as to preserving evidence had not been
> >followed and expert tetimony that indicated tampering with some of the physical
> >evidence).
> > 5. Your claim that the chain of evidence is not complete is based on
> >your speculation that the tape is a forgery, your ignorance of the technical
> >requirements of proving a chain of evidence, and your unsupported opinion of
the
> >IMT.
> Untested = worthless.
Wrong. You are lying again. The question is not “testing” but
“identification.” It has been identified.
> Someday your little Himmler tape may be tested.
Nah. It won’t be. None of the little nazis like you have the guts to test it
even when someone else agrees to pay for it if you are correct.
> If it is proved genuine at that point the discussion can then move to
> debunking the one single word on the tape that the Holocausters can
> ascribe sinister meaning to without basis, which again fails short of
> specifically mentioning anything about extermination by gassing.
You efforts are getting apthetic.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Wrong Again
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On 10 Dec 1996 23:11:48 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > They were not tried in an American court. They were given certain
> >rights which, in fact, are greater than the rights currently given in either French
or
> >German courts. They were also given all rights considered basic to a fiar trial
in
> >the U.S. today including:
> > 1. the guarantee of counsel (which was *not* part of U.S. practice
> >until “Gideon v. Wainwright” in 1964).
> > 2. the right to challenge evidence;
> > 3. the right of cross-examination;
> > 4. the right to present evidence;
> > 5. the right to testify in their case (not a right in the U.K. until about
> >1930; until then the defendant was prohibited from testifying)
> > 6. the right to have counsel address the triers of fact;
> > 7. the right to examine all documents presented in evidence against
> >them at the expense of the prosecution;
> > 8. the right of subpoena ad testifcandum and subpeona duces tecum.
> > 9. the right to make statements not subject to cross-examination or
> >response in any manner whatsoever (please inform me of any court in the U.S.
> >that would permit this procedure)
> > They did not have the right to a jury trial. But this right is *not*
> >recognized except in Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence. It is *not* part of the law of
any
> >country in Europe.
> > In short, you do nothing but make your usual wild and inaccurate
> >statements unsupported by anything other than your lying mouth.
> Hearsay evidence was allowed and that German witnesses tortured.
No evidence was admitted that was not admissible under Rule 803 or
804 of the U.S. Code of Evidence hich sets forth the conditions under which
hearsay evidence is admissible. There is no evidence of any witnesses being
tortured or placed under duress to either testify, testify to something specific, or
not to testify.
[rubbish from Stele, without citation, stripped]
> The Nuremberg Trials …had been popular throughout the world and
> particularly in the United States. Equally popular was the sentence
> already announced by the high tribunal: death. But what
> kind of trial was this? …The Constitution was not a collection of
> loosely given political promises subject to broad interpretation. It
> was not a list of pleasing platitudes to be set lightly aside when
> expediency required it. It was the foundation of the American system
> of law and justice and [Robert Taft} was repelled by the picture of
> his country discarding those Constitutional precepts in order to
> punish a vanquished enemy.
> U.S. President, John F. Kennedy
That is not a statement of JFK’s beliefs. They are a summarization of
Taft’s beliefs. JFK specifically stated that it was not to be taken as a
reflection of
his opinion.
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Subject: Re: A Nazi discusses war crimes (And response to Chuck)
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On 12 Dec 1996 05:49:57 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> If you did knowingly and intentionally bomb and strafe civilians,
> >> then yes, Chuck, I believe that your actions would fall within
> >> the definition of a war crime. The conclusion about your particular
> >> status would follow from that.
> > Your definition is incomplete. You are, unfortunately, leaving
> >something out of the equation. Specifically the phrase “of no military
> >significance.” There is nothing “criminal” about attacking civilians
contributing
> >to the war effort.
> Then the Nazi systematic extermination of Jewish civiliians, had it
> actually happened, is justified according to your reasoning. Jews
> had declared war on Germany in 1933 and were heavily involved in
> partisan effort.
1. It happened.
2. That’s nonsense and you know it. Apparently you haven’t the
mental prowess to distinguish between attacking civilians who are assisting the
military and the sytematic murder of civilian populations.
> >> So you see, Chuck; we Nazi’s aren’t so evil after all, are we? And
> >> we never were. The government lied to you about us, and about Adolf
> >> Hitler. If you only knew the brilliance of the Fuhrer’s vision;
> >> if you would only open your eyes to the truth of Mein Kampf, you
> >> would see that National Socialism is the best hope for the future
> >> of the world!
> > Unless, of course, if you are a gypsy, a Jew, A Pole, A Slovak, a
> >Czech, a Slovene, a Slav, a “useless life” or any other member of a group
that
> >your heros considered inferior. In that case, you “best hope” would be a
quick
> >death. The alternative was slavery or slow starvation.
> Still spouting the same old discredited propaganda while
> simultaneously justifying the actual genocide of Germans through
> carpet bombings. Ah you’re a “good Jew” Yale.
Good ahead. “Discredit” it. I have posted excerpts from internal
memoranda of your nazis.
Ah, you’re a good traitor to your country, asshole.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On 10 Dec 1996 22:39:52 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Unfortunately ity has been authenticated. Persons familiar with
> >Himmler’s voice have stated it is him speaking, several persons at the
speech
> >have stated that he made it, and his notes for the speeches are known.
> So what. Persons “familiar” with Belsen claimed it was an
> “extermination camp” and that was a lie. The tape’s genuineness has
> not been subjected to testing. Since most of the claims for the
> “holocaust” and several numerical exaggerations have already been
> exposed as false the tape is probably bogus as well. Being untested
> for its genuineness it is worthless.
Wrong again. “He who asserts must prove.” You haven;t the guts.
> > You have, contrary to the opinion of the National Archives, stated that
> >it is a forgery. “He who asserts must prove.”
> The tape is scientifically untested as yet. Untested = worthless.
Nonsense. It has been identified.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On 12 Dec 1996 01:44:34 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
> >> the criminal Giwer, writing under an alias, his dishonest methodology:
> > To which the criminal Giwer engaged in his usual defamation and
> >invasion of pivacy:
>
> Has Giwer been tried in a court of law as a “criminal”? He hasn’t
> because you don’t have the balls you whining wimpy Jew.
The criminal Giwer has admitted his criminal harassment.
> You’re
> labelling him as a “criminal” is slander and premature.
He has violated the criminal laws. He is a criminal. He he objects, he
may sue. He hasn’t got the balls.
> He isn’t a
> criminal unless found in a court of law. Innocent until proven
> guilty. Didn’t they teach you anything in law school besides how to
> lie with a straight face, Yalie-poo? I’m sure you were near the head
> of your class. Call it an “ethnic advantage.”
He’s a criminal at the moment he violated the criminal laws. He did so.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Krieberg Lying Again
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> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> > No, nazi boy, *all* of their territory. Their annouced program, as
> >demonstrated, was to enslave and/or exterminate the locals. Nor was this
> >restricted to the places you named.
> So sure about that. In which way did they exterminate Bulgarians, Croats and
> Slovaks? Give me some concrete examples.
I have given you concrete examples of the orders concerning
Russians, Ukrainians, Czechs, Poles, and Serbs. Those are a majority of the
Slavs.
> >> The Earth was created only for the sake of the Jews. (Vayikra Rabba 36)
> > Nazi boy Kreiberg responds to an attack on his beloved nazis with a
> >burst of foot stomping anti-Semitism. Apparently his bigotry is compounded
> >by ignorance. Anybody who has read the Talmud know that the citation he
> >gives for the supposed “quotations” are fraudulent. Will nazi boy go back
> >and tell his handlers they misinformed him again. Don’t bet on it.
> I have the quotes from a translation from 1892 by the Russian professor of
> Hebrew I.B. Pranaitis. I have not heard that there should be anything
> fraudulent here. Have you? Or are just lying again?
1. There is no tractate of the Talmud known as Vayikra Rabba.
2. There is no page “36” in any versions of the Talmud.
> Take a look in the Jewish Encyclopedia page 617. Here you can read that
> the expression “The best among the Gentiles deserves to be killed” is genuine
> from the Talmud. In Hebrew it is “Tob shebe-goyim harog”. This encyclopedia
> is trying to explain it away in the following way: “This utterance has been
> felt by the Jews to be due to an exaggerated antipathy on the part of a
> fanatic whose life experiences may furnish an explanation for his animosity;
> hence in the various versions the reading has been altered, “the best among
> the Egyptians” being general substituted.” [Perhaps in the latest versions
> Egyptians have been substituted with Palestinians 😉 ]
The quote is generally considered as an interpolation by the Catholic
church when they “edited” the Talmud.
Your are still a lying fraud of a nazi.
As an ethnic German living in Denmark, you should be more careful
about your anti-Semitism. Most Danes do not like such things.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> Just to be fair, public libraries (as opposed to university libraries,
> to which not everyone has access) do not commonly have any Talmud, but
> at best a couple volumes of Talmud selections. The Talmud found in
> bookstores is in the process of publication–I’d guess that less than half
> has been published thus far.
The Jerusalem Talmud and Seinsaltz edition of the Babylonian Talmud
have not been completely translated. One of my local bookstores (Barnes &
Noble) has all of the Seinsatlz Edition that has been published including the
volume explaining how to study the Talmud. Another (Border’s) stocks all
volumes of the Soncino Talmud.
> It would be nice if a complete Talmud in English were available on the
> Web, but I don’t believe that there is such a thing, possibly not even
> on CD-ROM, and it is a bit unreasonable to expect our Nazi-wannabes to
> learn Hebrew.
The Soncino Talmud is available on CD-ROM it is in both in the original
languages and English. The price is $299.00. The Soncino Talmud, Midrash,
and Zohar are available as a set for $589.00. This seems like a fair price as it is
far less than the cost of the hard copy which must run close to 1K.
Nor is it unavailable. It can be ordered through the internet from
http://www.jewishsource.com.
(Page doesn`t exist)
It should be noted that the Soncino translation,
dispite the claims of the nazis is not “authorized” (there being no body that could
“authorize” it) or “authoritative” (it omits much commentary considered standard;
most scholars also think the Seinsaltz Edition is a better translation. There are
also several web sites devoted to the Talmud.
I agree that it is unreasonable to ask the nazi-wannabes to learn
Hebrew. From the quality of many of their posts most haven’t even bothered to
learn English. But if they aren’t doing the work, why are they pretending they
know what is in the Talmud. The last posted who vomited the nazi trash
produced quotes that could not be from the Talmud, both the language and
citations were garbage. Further two of the works he cited were not even part of
the Talmud (one was the Shulan Arukh which is not only *not* part of the Talmud,
to my knowledge has not been translated into English).
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> “Netcroozer” writes:
> I have a few questions concerning the Babylonian Talmud, and the Talmud in
> general.
> 1) To be a practicing jew, must you believe in the holiness of both the Old
> Testament
> (pentateuch) and the Talmud, or just the Old Testament? If yes to the
> former, why should
> the words of men (Talmud) be considered worthwhile in a spiritual belief;
> isn’t the inspired
> Word all that one needs to be at one with the Lord?
You are imposing a Christian concept — that of a “holy” book — on another
culture. Pracitcing Jews consdier neither the Talmud (literally: “study”) or the entire
Old Testament as “holy.” If those words can be applied to Jewish thought at all,
they would apply to the “Torah” the first five books of the Bible.
> 2) If the talmud is supposed to be a guidebook of jewish traditions and
> folklore, shouldn’t it be continuously reviewed, so that invalid or obscene
> passages, if any, by current secular morals, are
> purged or at least duly criticized. That is, of course, unless one wants
> such opinions to remain part
> of jewish folklore? Considering the quotes by Mr. Shahak, assuming their
> accuracy, would this
> be the kind of book jews would want their children studying? I’ve also
> heard that only men are
> permitted to read or comment on the Talmud; is that due to the nature of
> its content? I’m really confused here.
The Talmuds (there are two of them) are not a “guidebook” but, basically
a record of debates. It should also be noted that, historically, during the middle ages
the Catholic Church attempted to detroy the Talmud. It is a massive work and
-before printing — there were actually few copies of it (it is not even certain that
Maimonides — the most important commentator on the Talmud had complete access
to it). This effort took the form of burning and of selected “editing’ mostly of
passages dealing or imagined to deal with non-Jews. As a result several passages
dealing with non-Jews are not authentic and ther has been a continual effort to
discover and correct back to the original text.
> 3) What is the difference between the Soncino Talmud and the Babylonian
> Talmud?
There are two Talmuds the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud.
“Soncino” is a leading publishing house for Jewish books. It published — several
decades agao — a translation into English of the basic Babylonian Talmud. It is not
complete (some commentaries are omitted) and it is not considered a “scholarly”
edition. Soncino is in the process of published (about 75% complete) a “scholarly
edition” that would contain both the original text in Hebrew and Aramaic and
annotations. Adin Steinsalz — one of the leading Jewish scholars is in the process
(about 2/3s complete) of making his own “scholarly” translation. It is preferred by
the Talmud scholars that I know. The first volume (which I bought yesterday at a
local secular bookstore — Barnes & Noble) is a treatise on how to study the Talmud.
The Jerusalem Talmud is in the process of being translated into English by a team
headed by a noted Jewish scholar Jacob Neusner.
> 4) What are the actual meanings, if not described accurately above, of each
> of the quoted
> passages? What is Israel Shahak’s source if his quote is contradictory?
Some of the quotes have been debunked. The Talmud is a debate.
Statements that seem to be authoritative are often positions that were proposed for
debate or idiosyncratic positions rejected by general thought. It is impossible to
understand *any* brief statement from the Talmud without examining the context.
The person who made this post is, further, rather notorious for taking statements out
of context.
> 5) Is an accurate, English translation of the Babylonian talmud available
> in bookstores?
No. See answer 3 above. More or less usable translations are commonly
available. You may even order the Soncino Talmud on CD-ROM for about $300
(http://www.jewishsource.com)
(Page doesn`t exist)
.
> If not, why?
Becasue it is virtually impossible to translate a work such as the Talmud.
Although that has not stopped people from trying. There are also several good
books written for laymen about the Talmud that are available. You might consult:
Morris Alder “The World of the Talmud” Schocken Books, 1963
Jacob Neusner “Here We Sat Down” Ktav 1976
Adin Steinsalz “The Essential Talmud” Bantan Book 1976
You might also find “Back to the Sources” edited by Barry Holtz (Summit Books
1984) informative.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> As I have said, the most logical assumption is that the
> author quoted by Tom Moran confused the names of two
> different camps. The best thing, I guess, is to ask him;
> does anyone know how to contact the author (Sachar,
> Abram L.)?
>
> -Danny Keren.
He is (or was) a professor of history at George Wahington University,
Washington D.C.
–YFE
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> the criminal Giwer writes:
> On 14 Dec 1996 04:33:19 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> A a typical lying, boozing Jew coward AFRAID, shitting in his pants
> afraid to report the crime.
> Come on, Jew coward, report the crime.
This particular actionable tort has been reported to one of the parties
legally responsible: gte.com.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On 12 Dec 1996 03:52:02 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> > Perhaps the criminal Giwer does not, but his ISP does.
> >> A typical kike shyster suggesting a harrassing lawsuit knowing full
> >> well he is making another jew terrorist suggestion.
> > NO! I am suggesting that a person who you have, with malice, lied
> >about consider a a legal action against one of the parties responsible for that
> >tortious act. Of course, you do not like it. It would interfer with your deliberate
and
> >illegal harassment of others.
> What a kike shyster.
In other words, you beleive that people should not seek redress when a
liar like the criminal Giwer lies about them in public. Thank you for the
endorsement of of the American system.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On 10 Dec 1996 22:44:25 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Perhaps the criminal Giwer does not, but his ISP does.
> Prove that Giwer has been adjudicated a “criminal.” Innocent until
> proven guilty, Yalie-poo. I thought you were a lawyer? Maybe you
> lied about that one too.
No. I need only prove that the criminal Giwer has violated the criminal
laws. he has done so. He has, in fact, admitted to the acts which are violation
of the criminal laws. I suggest you consult a real lawyer instead of the criminal
Giwer. You know, the bum who hasn’t even the guts to file suit against against
someone he claims is defaming him. He, at least, is smart enough to know that
truth would be a defense.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) lies again:
> On 10 Dec 1996 22:48:18 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > More lies from “Stele.” Please name a single defendant at Nuremberg
> >who was physically abused in any way whatsoever.
> American Judge Van Roden comments on the methods used to “question”
> German prisoners:
Liar.
1. Van Roden never commented on the Nuremberg trials.
2. Van Roden signed a report in which he stated that no physical
brutality occured.
> So much for your lies again, Yale. But what can one expect from
> someone who continually claims that Nuremberg was a “fair trial”?
> (snarf).
The is a simple reason for that. It was. All your nazi lies cannot change
the basic fact that a fair trial occurred.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 14 Dec 1996 04:54:55 GMT
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On 12 Dec 1996 03:08:16 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > That is correct. The claim was never made. The Poles claimed that
> >4,000,000 PEOPLE were murdered there.
> The ALLIES charged that 4 million were murdered there Yalie-poo.
Wrong. No claim that 4,000,000 Jews were murdered at Auschwitz
was ever made before or accepted by the Nuremberg Tribunal.
> > The figure since Reitlinger wrote the first serious history of the
> >Holocaust (most likely before you were born) is 1.0 to 1.5 million.
> So much for the original Allied figures first given credence, and
> Hoess testimony, and Gilbert’s figure of 4,000,000 in 1981. So much
> for the credibility of your wonderful hoax ™. The shell game
> continues.
Hoess gave no such testimony. The allies gave no such figure.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The MOVIE you FOOLS!
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Oh, btw, while I was perusing _Nuremberg Diary_ for the above, I ran
> across an interesting tidbit in regards to Mr. Smith’s Nazi absurdities in
> regard to Justice Jackson’s cross-examination of Speer. Here’s what
> Gilbert relates about what Schacht thought of Justice Jackson’s
> cross-examination of Go”ring (p.186):
> In the Elder’s lunchroom, Schacht was brimming over with joy at Goering’s
> disconfiture. “Your Prosecutor Jackson is certainly a brilliant
> cross-examiner. Even when he is not sure what he will find he beats on
> each bush to see if a rabbit jumps out- and sometimes it does….”
Oddly enough Jackson’s cross-examination of both Speer and Goering
has been widely criticized as ineffective both by English comentators and Telford
Taylor. I was quite surprised in re-reading the sections on Speer, how well he
made his points.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Worthless Photo Evidence
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> the criminal Giwer lies again:
> >> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> >> Alongside your article that one can diagnose gassing from photos,
> >> especially bodies which appear emaciated and sickly, the common state
> >> of bodies after typhus or starvation.
> > Of course, no one has made this statement, Stele is lying again.
> Correct. The statement was on the order of, “you claim there were
> not gassings? Look at these pictures.” It was a typical kike attempt
> at deception. As you have done, it allows the out, no one said that.
> It is similar to the “no reputable historian” dodge.
Given his penchant for fabricating such statements and his general lack
of reading comprehension, perhaps the criminal Giwer will enlighten us with the
name of the person who made that statement, the date it was made and the exact
content of the statement.
The criminal Giwer should be very specific. It will be good practice for
the future.
And he should do so quickly. It would be unfair to make everyone wait
until he finds a new ISP.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Kreiberg Lying Again
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> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> > As an ethnic German living in Denmark, you should be more careful
> >about your anti-Semitism.
> You have still not produced a single valid piece of evidence for your wild
> allegation of me being an ethnic German. I have my birth certificate, the
> birth certificates of my parents and grandparents. What do you have? You
> have nothing.
I have your own admissions that:
1. Your name is not Danish but German;
2. You come from an area of Denmark where a substantial proportion
of the population was ethnically German;
3. you family changed its name at a time when there was conflict
between Denmark and Germany and many ethnic Germans were doing so as a
symbol of their support for their adopted country;
4. When your family changed its name it picked a Germanized version
of the name of a Danish town.
Apparently you “revisionists” are unable to cope with a process which
leads to a logical conclusion.
> >Most Danes do not like such things.
> Gee, really, and what do you know about that?
Then let us use some logic again
1. I have two Danish friends.
2. They are decent people and tell me that most people in Denmark
are decent people.
3. Decent people are nauseated when they hear the bigoted lies of a
little nazi wannabee like you.
See how easy it is, nazi boy?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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> the criminal Giwer displays his ignorance:
> On 12 Dec 1996 01:36:13 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> > Wrong again. No chain of custody is required for a court record.
> >> OJ’s criminal defense attornies should have been told that. They
> >> wasted weeks challenging what was not required in the first place.
> >> You do remember trying to show a time when Det. VanAtter might have
> >> had access to the blood samples?
> > I do not recall a single court record introduced in the O.J. trial.
> Nice dodge. So you were only referring to court records.
You really are an amazingly stupid person. You asked about the chain
of custody of the tape of Himmler’s speech at Posen. That document was a court
record (N.D. Ps-1919)
>And thus admit there is no chain of custody prior to that time.
Nice lie. You have stated that the “chain of custody” needs to proved
prior to the tape becoming the property of the National Archives. To make it
perfectly clear I am stating that the “chain of custody” is established by the record
of the court. Your claim that more is required is nonsense.
> Thank you.
For what? For demonstrating once again that you took a technical term
which you did not understand, fabricated from your own imagination some legal
requirements which do not exist, and then attempted to fob them off as reality.
You really are a pathetic jerk.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Dec 16 07:05:36 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Nazi asks about the Talmud (Sara?)
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> [email protected] (Jim Stuart) writes:
> Well, Sara, I’m going to pick at this statement just a bit. I want to
> believe you; however, I’d like some clarification.
> First, what exactly are Goyim? Is that the same as a Gentile? For that
> matter, exactly what does Gentile mean?
Literally it means nations. In the famous passage in Isaiah 2:4, “They
shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks.
*Nation* will not take up sword against *nation.*” The word used in Hebrew is
“goyim.”
To a Jew a “gentile” is a person who is not a Jew. To a Mormon a
“gentile” is a person who is not a Mormon.
> Secondly (and a half), Friends (Non-Nazi, BTW) have told me that the
> old-line orthodox Jews still felt it necessary to wash after touching
> a non-Jew, as in a handshake. It’s pretty hard to believe, but I
> wouldn’t mind getting your input on that too.
Those who keep kosher still do. It has nothing to do with a personal
opinion but is due the fact that those hands might have touched unkosher food.
They feel the same compulsion after shaking hands with a Jew who does not keep
kosher.
> Third (a bit off topic) what is he relationship between the Torah and
> the Talmud? I’m under the impression that the Torah is the underlying
> document, with the Talmud including interpretations and expansion of
> the meaning, but I certainly don’t claim to know.
“Talmud” means “study.” It is commentary, the majority is presented as
a debate.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Fergus McClelland) writes:
> >On 14 Dec 1996 04:39:12 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> Yale Edeiken:
> >> No.
> It is really hard to believe that you are conected to law in any way
> whatsoever.
> >> I need only prove that the criminal Giwer has violated the criminal
> >>laws.
> This is true. But it must – by sheer definition – be proved in a court
> of law. As a close friend and leading UK barrister said to me
> yesterday, “One can CONSIDER someone to have committed a criminal act,
> but he is NOT a criminal until he be so JUDGED.”
In this case, I and my family are the victims of the crimes committed by
the criminal Giwer. I will continue to so describe him in the future.
> > he has done so. He has, in fact, admitted to the acts which are violation
> >>of the criminal laws.
> You may say this, but he has not been so judged in a court of law.
> I think it very important for you to remember, and I cannot emphasise
> this too strongly, that you saying that Mr Giwer is a criminal is NOT
> the same as a judge or a jury FINDING him a criminal AFTER A TRIAL.
You are correct. It is not the same thing. It is , however, true.
> There has been no such trial, therefore, strictly speaking he is NOT a
> criminal. And for you to say so, is silly or at best an opinion, of no
> greater objective value than, say, Mr Stele’s when he says that Mr
> Giwer is not.
It is neither silly or an opinion. It is a statement of fact. The criminal
Giwer has, in fact, admitted committing the acts. You have been provided the
text of the statute involved.
> But you keep saying that Mr Giwer has committed criminal acts against
> you, yet you have not filed a complaint. Is that not the same?
And your basis for saying that is?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Worthless Photo Evidence
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] (Arleigh Burke) writes:
> # I brought it up as these are the pictures Keren is
> # constantly spamming claiming they are burned while
> # there is no sign of them having been burned.
> Everyone can look at the photographs and decide for
> himself. One may also, of course, read the relevant
> documentation in “Inside the Vicious Heart”, which
> is where I scanned the photos from.
Are these the pictures taken of the victims of the Garlegen death march
which can also be found in Goldhagen’s book on 369 and 370?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Arleigh Burke) writes:
> On 15 Dec 1996 04:17:53 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > And he should do so quickly. It would be unfair to make everyone wait
> >until he finds a new ISP.
> Is the drunking, lying kike going to harrass another ISP with fake
> posturing as an attorney?
No. I’ve put them on notice about your criminal harassment of me and
my family and your clear violations of the terms of the user agreeement to which
you consented. This post will. of course, also be forwarded to them.
Perhaps you will explain to all wwho “Gteins” is and what he ahd to say
to you.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> the criminal Giwer writes:
> On 16 Dec 1996 01:16:11 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Perhaps you will explain to all who “Gteins” is and what he had to say
> >to you.
> I agree, you are a lying drunken kike who has nto the foreskin to
> report a crime to the criminal authorities.
> Yes, you are a lying yid. And everyone has seen it.
> Is that pin through your nipple hurting enough yet?
> What do you say to your children when they see you dancing naked
> with that yellow star in one nipple and a pink triangle in the other?
Apparently the criminal Giwer will not tell us what gte.net has told him.
Apparently, as well, he has not reread the “hold harmless” clause of his contract with
gte.net.
Poor criminal Giwer. What will he tell the court?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> >> > No. It’s what’s called educating an ignoramus (you) about the real
> >> >meaning of a technical term. To recap:
> >> > 1. The chain of custody of the tape is established by calling to the
stand
> >> >the official at the National Archives supervising the maintanance of the
tape. In
> >> >order to establish that custody he may utilize the business records of the
> >National
> >> >Archives.
> >> > 2. The prior history is established by the certified record of the IMT.
> >> > 3. No further testimony is required.
> >> > 4. Unless you present the court with a reasonable grounds for
> >> >questioning the tape (i.e. some hard evidence) the judge is going to
have a snit
> >> >becasue you wasted his time. (Note: O.J.’s attorneys presented hard
evidence
> >> >that the required police procedures as to preserving evidence had not
been
> >> >followed and expert tetimony that indicated tampering with some of the
physical
> >> >evidence).
> >> > 5. Your claim that the chain of evidence is not complete is based on
> >> >your speculation that the tape is a forgery, your ignorance of the
technical
> >> >requirements of proving a chain of evidence, and your unsupported
opinion of
> >the
> >> >IMT.
> >> Untested = worthless.
> > Wrong. You are lying again. The question is not “testing” but
> >”identification.” It has been identified.
> When are you going to submit your worthless tape to testing Yalie?
> C’mon Yale, you should do it. It’s the closest thing you have to
> physical evidence for the sorry little hoax.
Why should I bother. It has been identified. It is an authentic tape of
Himmler making a speech. The burden is upon those claiming it it fraudulent to
make the test. Nizkor has, in fact, made a very gereous offer. If it is phony they
will pay for the testing.
Either take their offer or don’t. But, until then, your claimed inistence
upon “evidence” is a hollow sham.
–YFE
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
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> [email protected] (Andrew Mathis) writes:
> It is (but not in Paperback). The Steinsaltz Talmud (completely in
> English) is available in any good bookstore in the Judaica section.
It is now being published in soft covers, which reduces the price slightly.
Not all of the volumes are available in this format. The first, which is Steinsalz’s
explanation of the Talmud, is available in this format.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Kreiberg Changes His Story Again
Date: 17 Dec 1996 14:02:50 GMT
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> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> >> > I have your own admissions that:
> >> > 1. Your name is not Danish but German;
> >> You are distorting. My name may not sound typical Danish, but it is
> >> certainly not German. Just show me just one genuine German with that name
> >> or shut up.
> > Lying again, nazi boy? You stated that your name was the Germanized
> >version of the Danish town of Krjeborg.
^^^^^^^^
> You mean Krejbjerg.
Now answer the question. Was it or was it not a practice at the time of
WW I for the German population to change names to show support for Denmark?
> >> > 3. you family changed its name at a time when there was conflict
> >> >between Denmark and Germany
> This is nonsens. You have no evidence to back up this allegation.
You have told us that. Twice. If it was done by your grandfather it
would have been done in the era of WW I when the German cause was not
popular in Denmark. If your father did it in “the forties” he did it either when
Germany was a military occupier of Denmark or immediately thereafter.
> > Krieberg is changing his story again. You previously stated that your
> >name was changed in the late 19th century.
> No. My Great Great grandfather on my mother’s side was a German. On my
> father’s side there have been no Germans.
A new twist in the “Krieberg” saga. Now we seem to be getting to the
truth even though he is dodging the question. He’s only a German on his
*mother’s* side. Right, nazi boy, sure. Now explain why your grandfather (at a
time when there was conflict between Denmark and Germany) or your father (at a
time when Denmark was occupied by the German army) changed his name.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dresden
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On 14 Dec 1996 04:39:12 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > No. I need only prove that the criminal Giwer has violated the criminal
> >laws. he has done so. He has, in fact, admitted to the acts which are
violation
> >of the criminal laws. I suggest you consult a real lawyer instead of the
criminal
> >Giwer. You know, the bum who hasn’t even the guts to file suit against
against
> >someone he claims is defaming him. He, at least, is smart enough to know
that
> >truth would be a defense.
> Giwer hasn’t broken -any- laws, lying shyster.
The statutes concerning criminal harassment and ethnic intimidation
have been posted. The criminal Giwer has violated them.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Nazi asks about the Talmud (Sara?)
Date: 18 Dec 1996 01:29:55 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > “Talmud” means “study.” It is commentary, the majority is presented
as
> > a debate.
> Do you claim to be an authority on the Talmud?
No. For one thing my Hebrew is rudimentary enough that I can’t tell
the difference between Hebrew and Aramaic. On the other hand, it’s fairly easy
to detect frauds when they don’t even get the names of the tractrates correct,
identify the tosephta as part of the Talmud, and don’t know how the work is
paginated. When that fails a quick call to someone who *is* an expert on the
Talmud (oddly enough a Jesuit priest) helps.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re:The Giwer Criminal is Caught Again
Date: 17 Dec 1996 05:26:50 GMT
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> [email protected] (Halsey) writes:
> On 16 Dec 1996 23:45:09 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > No, just nailing the criminal Giwer on how he fabricates his
> >arguments, changing his statements when they are exposed for the fraudulent
> >lies that they are.
> > Apparently you wish to join him.
> Hey folks gather around, look at the intimidated ethnic. Hear it
> sqeal.
The one who is squealing here is you. You are squealing because you
were caught in another lie. Now give your pet, “Stele” another dog biscuit.
Say hello to those nice people at gte.net for me.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: kurt stele and his nuremberg “cite”
Date: 16 Dec 1996 22:53:04 GMT
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On 14 Dec 1996 05:26:46 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Only a lying ignoramus like you would be confused as to whether a
> >prosecutor examining a defendant is cross-examining him. Even if Jackson
> >would have called him to the stand (he didn’t) it would be cross-examination.
> > That is your misinterpretation. It should be noted that it comes from
> >someone who needs proof that when a prosecutor examines a defendant it
is
> >cross-examination.
> There is also something called direct examination of a hostile
> witness.
Yes. It’s called “cross examination.”
> You really shouldn’t try pulling legalese to cover for lies
> when half of America is now versed in trial law.
Apparently you are a member of the other half.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
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> Doc Tavish <“[email protected]”@phoenix.net> writes:
> Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> > >> > Keith Morrison
> > >> > [email protected]
> > >> > http://www.dmmw.com/lonewolf/keithm.html
(Page doesn`t exist)
> > >> I haven’t been proved wrong.
> > >> Doc Tavish
> > >Hmmm… Let’s go back to where this started.
> > >Mr. Tavish said Muslims aren’t allowed in the Israeli military.
> > >MANY people pointed out that he was incorrect, and gave specific
examples
> > >of Druze muslims, for instance, serving in the Israeli military.
> > >Mr. Tavish’s response was to say something “cute” about being the butt
of jokes.
> > >Mr. Tavish was CERTAINLY PROVED WRONG in his statement
regarding Jews in
> > >the IDF.
>
> > >Yet, here is is, insisting that he hasn’t been proved wrong.
> > >Ever wonder what these guys use for brains?
> > Beer.
> Another example of anti-Christ stereotyping.
Liar. he was talking about you. When you get promoted to “Christ”
write and tell us.
> I have beer for brains
At best an overstatement. Beer has some redeeming social qualities.
> these people wonder why they’ve been kicked out of so many countries
> over their years of existence.
You mean Jews are hated they object to having some lackwit tell lies
about them?
> This is the unbridled and shameless conceit that has brought large scale
> reactions aginst them. Do this to enough people long enough and POGROM.
You heard it from the source. This clown says that objecting to
people tell lies about Jews incites people to murder, pillage, and rape.
You are not just an idiot, Mr. Christ, you are a rather dangerous one.
–YFE
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From: yawe[email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Rants & Raves
Date: 16 Dec 1996 03:23:10 GMT
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> the criminal Giwer writes:
> On 15 Dec 1996 03:02:35 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> Again the lying boozing kike shyster fears reporting the “crime” to
> legal authorities but insists upon the pecularly JEW harrassment of
> innocent parties to achieve their aims.
> Is it any wonder kikes are considered sneaky little bastards?
Aren’t you going to have fun explaining this to gte.net?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Nazi asks about the Talmud (Sara?)
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> Doc Tavish <“[email protected]”@phoenix.net> writes:
> I will not go into long quotes (but I can and will if questioned) but
> gentiles were never given equality by Jews in the bible.
Read the book of Ruth lately?
Read Exodus lately?
I thought not.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Puts His Foot in it Again
Date: 18 Dec 1996 03:44:13 GMT
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On 16 Dec 1996 23:14:18 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> Giwer has broken no law except in Yale’s cowardly gutless mind.
> However, according to Yale, one’s opinion is all that is needed to
> judge criminality.
The statutes were posted. The criminal Giwer clearly violated them.
> I think Yale is a criminal as well: guilty of sending harrassing
> e-mail to Giwer to begin with. Yale evidently is a criminal in
> addition to being a well-established liar.
I sent no harassing e-mail to the criminal Giwer.
For those unfamiliar with his criminal acts: After eceiving several of
his obnoxious screeds as e-mail; an event as appealing as finding half of a
cockroach in the stew, I sent the criminal Giwer, in one case at the direction of
his ISP, an order than he cease sending me e-mail. His first response was that
his e-mail was being forged by Grynspan. When my request was repeated the
criminal Giwer’s response was: “I’m tired of your shit. Fuck off.” To confirm
that the meaning was that he intended to continue his criminal harassment
whenever the spirit moved him, the criminal Giwer then sent more of his fould
spew which included the anti-Semitic ditty he used as sig line.
Anyone who considers those actions of the criminal Giwer to be either
proper or within the law are invited to shove their pointy heads as far up their
recta as space permits.
I repeat. The criminal Giwer is a criminal.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: repeat of question(s)
Date: 19 Dec 1996 07:44:34 GMT
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> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>
> I liked Matt’s “Bull” address better. It was more appropriate.
> > Back on 9 Dec and again on 10 Dec, I pointed out that the one day
> >Germany boycott in retaliation for the never-ending worldwide boycott
> >by the WJC was designed not to harm one Jew.
> Because it was on a Saturday? It would not harm observant Jews.
Of course, Matty-poo is doing a bit of revising. It was *not* designed
as a “one day boycott” and, of course, he forgets the violence and vandalism
that went along with it. In fact, the nazi mobs murdered at least one Jew during
the boycott.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish Media Control: Close-Up
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> “Doc”, why do you have this fascination with your balls, and seemingly
> everyone else’s balls too? You really have to get out more.
Perhaps he found this newsgroup when he was trying to find a 13-year
old girl advertising under the name of “blackmore.”
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Reply to Jim Stuart regarding Talmud “quotations”
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> How about this one, with a reference to Ezekiel
> “How can it be said that by pouring oil over a Goy one is free from
> punishment, since a Goy is also man? But this is not true for it is
> written: Ye are my flock, the flock of my pasture are men. [Ezekiel
> 34, 31). You are thus called men, but the Goyim are not called men.”
You had better make a quick telephone call to the Gideons. According to
the Bible they distribute the text reads:
“30 Thus shall they know that I am Lord their G_d am with them and that
they, even the house of Israel, are my people saith the Lord G_d.
31 And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your G_d
saith the Lord G_d.”
Why do you lie about something so easy to check?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Question…
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> [email protected] writes:
> Why is Al Baron in jail?
>
> Darren Green,
> Oxford Brookes University.
Sine you are closer to the source than most of us, why don’t you check.
You might start with the government office that assigns counsel to indigents and
locate his solictor/barrister.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Nazi discusses war crimes (And response to Chuck)
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> [email protected] (Angus M. McLellan) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>
> [email protected] (Kurt Stele/Brian Smith) “willettsed”:
> >>>The US was destroying German vessels on the high seas before 1939 to
> >>>provoke Hitler into a war.
> >>Uh, no. The UK was destroying German vessels with US hardware, but
> >>this was *after* the war began.
> >Wrong.
> Is another revisionist triumph in the offing ? The USA sinking German
> shipping pre-1939 ? Please, do tell us more.
Just more wind from an idiot who thinks Rueben James was a trumpet
player with some big band or other.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Ordinary v Mainstream Auschwitz 4,000,000 Deniers – Revised
Date: 20 Dec 1996 04:58:24 GMT
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> Mr.Browosky states, “this figure had already been challenged by
> serious historians as early as the 1960s”, but then this of course
> would be the exception and not the rule. The facts are, a actual
> record is posted from time to time shows the rule and Mr.Browosky and
> the rest of the Holocaust dependents just claim it ain’t so. The
> record stands at about 30 to 1. Thirty examples for the higher Jewish
> numbers and one example (Reitlinger) for the lower. If all examples
> were known it would be more like 100s to 1 or 2.
Odd, isn’t it that you cannot post a single historian of the Holocaust that
accepts the number of 4,000,000 Jews murdered at Auschwitz.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 18 Dec 1996 02:16:48 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Arleigh Burke) writes:
> > On 14 Dec 1996 04:54:55 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> No need for all this debate,. The figure of 4 million was given, but Polish
> sources strictly broke down the figures of the alleged dead–and the Jews
> won by a long shot.
So you claim. So far you haven’t come up with a single number.
Apparently “Auschwitz 1270 to the Present” Dwork & van Pelt (1996) isn’t in
your library. As they note:
“Auschwitz I was a tremedously significant site in Polish history, and the 1947 law
that established the museum explicitily stated that the site was to commemorate
‘the martyrdom of the Polish nation and other nations in Oswiecim.’ Given this
directive, it made sense that the museum would concentrate the state’s meager
resources on the part of Auschwitz where Polish resisters and hostages had
suffered and died.” page 364
“The main camp first and foremost perserved Polish — not Jewish —
history, and the decision to relegate Birkenau to a position of sdecondary
importance reflects a specific ideology of remembrance decribed by the Canadian
sociologist Iwona Irwin-Zarecka: ‘Auschwitz . . . . is *not*, for Poles, a symbol of
Jewish suffering. Rather it is a genral symbol of “man’s inhumanity to man” and a
powerful symbol of the Polish tragedy at the hands of the Nazis. It is a powerful
reminder of the evil of *racism*, and not a singular reminder of the deadliness of
anti-Semitism. In the most literal sense of memories evokes on site, it is an
“Auschwitz without Jews.”‘” page 365.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
Date: 20 Dec 1996 04:28:05 GMT
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> Doc Tavish <“[email protected]”@phoenix.net> writes:
> Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> > You have made various statements including promoting a
> > “POGROM” and referring to giving someone a “mouthful of bloody chiclets.”
> > Violence seems to be a weapon you want to use against Jews.
> It is nice to know that you read everything that I post BUT do you get
> the meaning or purpose?
I hardly bother. I read a few and found them to be repetitive, dishonest,
and boring.
> If you have kept score you will find out I have
> not been the major aggressor. You ought to see some of the E-Mail I get
> from the “chosen ones.” You see what they post but they are worse in
> E-Mail.
I imagine that members of the KKK make about the same complaint
when they wax nostalgic about the days of lynching.
> Pogrom is just what it is. Pogroms are the result of what
> happens to the bad elements of the Jewish community.
You are ignorant. They were exercises in murder and pillage frequently
whooped up by the czarist government to divert the attention of the peasants. It
was called “scapegoating.”
Read some history.
> The point of debate now is what is the ratio? I haven’t seen a righteous
> Jew denounce these self righteous Jews. Have you researched the biblical
> term of the Synagogue of Satan?
Please give me a single “biblical” reference to “synagogues.”
> Doc Tavish turning the heat up and staying in the kitchen
Nipping at the cooking sherry, no doubt.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 16 Dec 1996 23:45:09 GMT
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On 16 Dec 1996 00:58:22 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> [email protected] (Arleigh Burke) writes:
> >> On 14 Dec 1996 04:54:55 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
wrote:
> >> > Hoess gave no such testimony. The allies gave no such figure.
> >> Did or did not Hoess say three million up through his time running
> >> the camp? Did anyone claim extermination stopped when he left?
> > The question was “testimony.” He never gave any such testimony at
> >the Nuremberg Tribunal or elsewhere. If you think otherwise provide a
citation.
> Stop trying to hide behind legalese and explain Hoess’ initial 3
> million figure Yalie-poo.
No, just nailing the criminal Giwer on how he fabricates his
arguments, changing his statements when they are exposed for the fraudulent
lies that they are.
Apparently you wish to join him.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dresden
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On 14 Dec 1996 04:41:26 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> In other words, you beleive that people should not seek redress when
a
> >liar like the criminal Giwer lies about them in public. Thank you for the
> >endorsement of of the American system.
> Rather I condemn the legalism of your ilk and its impact on the U.S.
> “Justice System” (sic) as well as your gutless whining.
I bet you tell that to all vicitims of crimes.
The whiner here is the criminal Giwer. His services have been
terminated from several providers because of his criminal and improper actions.
–YFE
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Article: 87026 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Nazi replies to a War Criminal
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> >[email protected] (Drew Stowers) wrote:
> >The camps above were strictly death camps or extermination camps.
> >Auschwitz was multipurpose and was several camps. This makes their
> >distortions easy to form. That is why Auschwitz is so popular with the
> >denial groups.
> >However, good show!
> Interesting switcheroo. The facts are, Holocaust accounts focuses
> on Auschwitz. Auschwitz is 99% of the story. This is the documented
> fact.
Perhaps you would like to “document” it?
For the record T. Moran is a liar and an anti-Semite who, although he
frequently “chhallenges” others to prove those simple provable facts, runs away
whenever his challenge is accepted.
–YFE
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Article: 87062 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The MOVIE you FOOLS!
Date: 16 Dec 1996 23:02:30 GMT
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> [email protected] (Halsey) writes:
> On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 07:01:21 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
> wrote:
> ># Alan who?
> >Alan B. Kennady, who uses the alias “ehrlich606″
> >when (rarely) posting here.
> Your evidence of this? Please be specific in your response.
He has so stated in various e-mails and telephone convesations.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dresden
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> the criminal Giwer admits his crime writes:
> On 16 Dec 1996 22:41:33 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > The whiner here is the criminal Giwer. His services have been
> >terminated from several providers because of his criminal and improper
actions.
> Because of harrassment, lying jew boy.
The harassment, of course, was the criminal harrassment of me and
my family by the criminal Giwer.
> BTW: Since you are not even married, which family am I supposed to
> have harrassed?
My wife was shocked to learn this.
–YFE
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Article: 87088 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Approves of Murdering Children
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> [email protected] (Halsey) writes:
> On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 07:09:41 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
> wrote:
> >”Some of the illegal settlers”, in this case, were
> >a 12-year-old child and his 42-year-old mother.
>
> Tought shit. The mother is an adult and if the kid had his / her
> mitzah so was he. That makes them all adults. At the very least it
> makes the mother responsible for the child. The mother then involved
> the child in a known dangerous process of stealing Palestinian land.
> Blame her at the least and of mitzvahed blame the kid for his own
> stupidity in staying.
Res ipsa loquitor. It’s ok. to kill 12-years old children as long as the
murder victim is a Jew. There is no other way to read the statements of the
criminal Giwer.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 12 Dec 1996 02:56:17 GMT
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> “Thomas Stedham” writes:
> That plaque has since been changed. Read this:
> Inscription on the Auschwitz-Birkenau monument until April 3, 1990
> “FOUR MILLION PEOPLE SUFFERED AND DIED HERE AT THE HANDS OF
THE NAZI
> MURDERERS BETWEEN THE YEARS 1940 AND 1945.” *
> Inscription on the same monument in 1995
> “MAY THIS PLACE WHERE THE NAZIS ASSASSINATED A MILLION AND A
HALF MEN,
> WOMEN AND CHILDREN, A MAJORITY OF THEM JEWS FROM DIVERSE
EUROPEAN
> COUNTRIES, BE FOREVER FOR MANKIND A CRY OF DESPAIR AND OF
WARNING.” *
> My questions are simple: a) was/is there a plaque at Auschwitz? b) has it
> been changed to reflect a lower bodycount? c) if so, why?
You have been given the answer. You have just refuse to accept it.
(a) there was, as you can see if you read the wording of the placque no
reference to Jews nor was such a reference intended. It was designed to
commemorate the *Poles* who were murdered by the nazis. Next to the
monument at Birkenau — where the murder of the Jews took place– was a flagpole
on which flew a flag of “the red triangle of the gentile political prisoners
superimposed on the uniform motif of vertical blue and white stripes.” (“Auschwitz:
1270 to the Present” Dwork and Van Pelt, 1996; page 366).
(b) it has been changed to reflect what historians have been insisting is
the accurate count since shortly after the war. Moreover, the change
acknowledged *for the first time* that a majority of those murdered at Auschwitz
were Jews.
(c) it was changed both to reflect what historians have been saying and
to make the memorial less parochial.
Should you really like to understand how Auschwitz has been
memorialized I suggest you locate a copy of “Auschwitz: 1270 to the Present” and
read pages 354-378.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Ordinary v Mainstream Auschwitz 4,000,000 Deniers – Revised
Date: 21 Dec 1996 02:58:10 GMT
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> > Odd, isn’t it that you cannot post a single historian of the Holocaust that
> >accepts the number of 4,000,000 Jews murdered at Auschwitz.
> See “BEHOLD THE LIE”.
I did. At least one of the quotes I checked (supposedly from the
Encyclopedia Judiaca) was a fraudulent misrepresentation. One historian was
quoted without citing a source (Yehuda Bauer). Other than Bauer not a single
recognized historian was cited.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: “Anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism”
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> “Anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism”?
There goes l’il tommy again. Whining because the objects of his
bigotry point out his bigotry.
Actually in your case the complaints arise because you continually,
consistantly and maliciously lie about Jews. Moreover, most of your lies have no
relevance whatsoever to “Zionism.” Indeed l’il tommy frequently endorses theft
>from Jews and has, in the past, chortled with glee over a gang of thugs beating
up a little girl because she was Jewish and asked that her rights as an American
be respectd. He has also described the activities of the KKKK and labeled them
the activities of a “Jewish group.” He once labeled a rabbi as a liar when that
rabbi cited a well-accepted fact about 1st century Judiasm.
Frequently, in a fit of pique at having his bigotry labeled as such l’il
tommy issues “challenges” to prove those charges. These challenges have
been accepted on numerous occasions to which l’il tommy has responded with
lies and silence.
Where’s l’il tommy?
Could he be hiding under the bed?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: CHARGES
Date: 21 Dec 1996 11:12:25 GMT
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> What should one make of it if someone makes charges of
> anti-Semitism, neo-Nazism and/or racism and can’t or refuses to follow
> up with an argument for proof?
But l’il tommy knows that this is not the case. I am very willing to prove
the charge of anti-Semitism before an impartial tribunal. To this offer l’il tommy has,
when he has not lied about, refused to respond. l’il tommy, who frequently wraps
himself in the American flag when he parades his bigotry, apparently does not believe
in that most basic of American values, the fair trial.
When l’il tommy reads this statement he will, as usual, run for cover.
Where could l’il tommy be hiding this time?
Could it be behind the drapes in the dining room?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Murder of Priests in Dachau
Date: 21 Dec 1996 12:20:25 GMT
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> >Source: SS records, quoted in “Concentration Camp Dachau”,
> >ISBN 3-87490-528-4, p. 60.
> >Nationality Total Released Transferred Liberated Deaths
> >——————————————————————–
> >Albanian 2 – 2 – –
> >Belgian 46 1 3 33 9
> >Danish 5 5 – – –
> >German 447 208 100 45 94
> >English 2 – 1 1 –
> >French 156 5 4 137 10
> >Greek 2 – – 2 –
> >Dutch 63 10 – 36 17
> >Italian 28 – 1 26 1
> >Lithuanian 3 – – 3 –
> >Luxemburg 16 2 – 8 6
> >Norwegian 1 1 – – –
> >Polish 1780 78 4 830 868
> >Rumanian 1 – – 1 –
> >Jugoslavian 50 2 6 38 4
> >Spanish 1 – – 1 –
> >Swiss 2 1 – – 1
> >Czechoslovakian 109 1 10 74 24
> >Hungarian 3 – – 3 –
> >Stateless 3 – 1 2 –
> >Roman Catholic 2579
> >Protestant 109
> >Greek Orthodox 22
> >Old Catholic and Maronite 8
> >Mohammedan 2
> Here we go again.
In other words, l’il tommy is about to make an ass of himself again.
> What, no rabbis?
The reason for this compliation has previously been posted. Are you
telling us:
1. That you did not read it?
2. That you did not understand it?
3. That you just feel like making an ass of yourself again?
Choose one.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished?
Date: 21 Dec 1996 12:27:22 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
>
> Joe, there’s a curious lacuna in all the above: “under investigation” for
> WHAT? “arrested by the SS” for WHAT? WHAT crimes were involved?
You have
> been arguing that SS men were punished for cruelty toward Jews, but you
> have presented evidence only that the SS occasionally arrested, charged,
> or investigated its members for “crimes” which you consistently refuse to
> specify (except, as I recall, at the beginning of your discussion of SS
> arrests, when you demonstrably lied).
> No, I never lied. I never lie. It would be playing into your hands.
> It was misinformation, and no fault of my own. Check with Mike Stein about
it.
Actually the information that you were “misinformed” came from a
book which you claim to own and have read. If you were “misinformed” it
because you chose to be.
> In spite of your unprovoked insults, I will answer your question:
> The fact is, it takes time to investigate crimes which by their very nature, were
> difficult to investigate in closed camps like Auschwitz and the rest.
It is, of course, even harder when the suspect has the right and
power to murder possible witnesses against him (as Koch did). Moreover Koch
and the others were apparently protected by Eike. Many complaints by von
Waldeck were quashed without investigation.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Nazi discusses war crimes (And response to Chuck)
Date: 21 Dec 1996 11:33:58 GMT
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> >> [email protected] (Angus M. McLellan) writes:
> >> In article <[email protected]>
> >> [email protected] (Kurt Stele/Brian Smith) “willettsed”:
> >> >>>The US was destroying German vessels on the high seas before 1939 to
> >> >>>provoke Hitler into a war.
> >> Is another revisionist triumph in the offing ? The USA sinking German
> >> shipping pre-1939 ? Please, do tell us more.
> > Just more wind from an idiot who thinks Rueben James was a trumpet
> >player with some big band or other.
> Are you saying the U.S. Navy didn’t sink German ships in 1939
> Yalie-poo? What will it be, shyster: yes or no?
Do you know their names?
Do you know their names?
Did you have a friend on the good Rueben James?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished?
Date: 21 Dec 1996 12:33:23 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > The lacuna is neither curious nor inexplicable. As has been posted
here
> > several times the Morgen investigations were for embezzlement. In Koch’s
case he
> > was convicted as well of murdering two non-Jewish inmates who could
provide
> > evidence against him. The murders took place after the investigation began.
The
> > details of these cases can be found, among other places, in “Soldiers of
Evil” by
> > Tom Segev. That work is significant to this discussion becasue “blackmore”
> > claims that he owns and has read it.
> Yes, I do own it and I have read it. Would you like me to quote to you from
> a particular page in the pb edition to prove it to you? However, I need to
> say that this book, while interesting, is far from an authoritative and final
> authority on the subject. Much research needs to be done here.–rb
The point is not whether “research” needs to be done but whether the
information was available to you. In fact, Segev’s book was a doctoral thesis for
which he had access to (and for this information) cited to material in the
Budesarchiv Koblenz which contains the SS files. While the trial of Koch might
have been only a passing reference in “Soldiers of Evil” it is clearly
“authoritative” as there is no reason to doubt its accuracy.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 21 Dec 1996 11:58:22 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> But “rblackmore”s the precise answer:
> Look them up in photographs from the period. there were 19 of them.–rb
> > Gord McFee tries to inject a note of sanity and reason:
> There can be no sanity and reason from the insane and irrational, as applies
> to Mr. McFee and Nizkooks in general.
> No dummy, d.A was *there*. You were not. He asks you where the plaque
was,
> since you claimed to know what it says. Since you lied about that, why
> > shouldn’t we expect that you are lying about the plaque too?
> How can I “lie” about placques which have been photographed by news
> and press agencies for posterity? Silly person.
The question is not whether you can lie about the placque. You did
so. You specifically claimed that it stated “Jews.” The question is why did you
think you could get away with it. That is a question only you could answer.
> > In Room 1 of Block 4 there was an urn. “The urn with a handful of ashes,
> > collected in the Birkenau terrain, commemorates ‘4 million of those’
> > who had perishhed there.”
> Yes, and these alleged four million were what–Eskimoes? Are you so
> dense?
Why are you so dishonest. The Poles consistently claimed it was
Poles. As one sociologist who studied the Polish conception of Auschwitz stated
it was “Auschwitz without Jews.” (citation previously provided).
> So? What is your contention, then, that 1.5 million Jews were killed at
> Auschwitz and 2.5 million Gentiles? Is that what you are now asking us
> to swallow? Lotsa luck…-rb
No. No one is stating that this is the fact. They have been stating that
this was the Polish position. It was. Why are you so dense? Or is it just
dishonesty?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Gore with the ultimate anti-Semitism…..
Date: 17 Dec 1996 00:44:09 GMT
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 02:32:54 GMT, the criminal Giwer wrote:
>
> >On 14 Dec 1996 04:47:43 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >>> > Not only were there no restrictions on content but the statements
> >>> >were given *after* the closing arguments of the prosecution. Not only
were the
> >>> >defendants not cross-examined on their statements but the prosecution
was not
> >>> >permitted to respond to any of the statements.
> >> Another idiot heard from:
> >> 1. Please name a jurisdiction using anglo-american law where a
> >>defendant may make a statement to the finder of fact without
cross-examination or
> >>rebuttal.
> >> 2. Please name a single item of evidence entered into evidence by the
> >>Tribunal that does not conform to Rule 803 or Rule 804 of the U.S. Code of
> >>Evidence.
> > I thought you would never get around to mentioning evidence. Who
> >issued the search warrants under which the evidence was collected? Or
> >did they just go busting into the imagined crime scene without
> >probable cause?
> Oh Yalie-poo, where are you?
Laughing too hard to compose an answer. Not only have the criminal
Giwer and his little dog Stele failed to account for the expansive rights given the
nazi defendants at Nuremberg but now they think that Amendment IV applies to
the archives of foreign governments during wartime. If it were not for the fact that
it is the criminal Giwer and and the schnauzer posting, it would be pathetic.
The funny thing is that thy are propably starting to believe the nonsense
they make up.
One wonders what the schnauzer will do when gte.net deals with his
criminal compadre.
–YFE
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From: [email protected]er.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Blackmore embraces his lies and libels in the same
putrid breath …. Re: Questions [email protected] ([email protected])
refuses to answer…Gandhi is an imbecile.Full HARDCORE pleasure!
Date: 20 Dec 1996 03:56:19 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> BTW, where the hell is Baron?
There might be a cross-cultural problem here. Given his past history he
might just have run short of money. I the U.S. he’d be auditioning for a bad
Johnny Cash song about revolvers and all night gas stations. I don’t know what
they do in England.
Perhaps he ploshed.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Nazi discusses war crimes (And response to Chuck)
Date: 22 Dec 1996 01:39:09 GMT
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> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Yale F. Edeiken)
wrote:
> > Do you know their names?
> > Do you know their names?
> > Did you have a friend on the good Rueben James?
> Yale:
> Turn in your left-wing-socialist-commie-Woody-Guthrie-lover’s badge.
> Right now.
> It’s “What were their names, tell me what were their names? Did you have a
> friend on the good Rueben James?”
Like many of his songs there are several versions of the lyrics. On the
Library of Congress tapes. He sung “What were their names?” when he taught
the song to Jack Elliot he used the lyrics I used. Country Joe MacDonald also
sings the lyrics this way on his “Remembering Woody Guthrie Album.” Guthrie
also seems to have cleaned up some of the lyrics when he recorded it for the
Library. I have heard Elliot sing the last line as “We’ll get the fucking bastards
who sank the Rueben James” in live concerts.
> Woody, of course, was in the merchant marines, so he’d have no idea of
what
> was going on, eh?
And I’ll bet “Stele” is still wondering why they named a ship after a
guy who played the trumpet.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Since you asked, Mr. Moran…[rather long post]
(Was Re: Treblinka , mass graves)
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> Seven hundred (700) lines of response. Mr.Kelley and Moran have
> been through this a number of times before. Mr.Kelley gets no response
> to his gasping out of breath 700 lines until he includes what was
> given to him in the past.
Which proved that you were an anti-Semite and a liar.
> In the mean time, Moran reiterates, Jews and Jewish organizations
> have been active in intimidating the ban of the cross, Christmas tree,
> the Nativity Scene and singing Christmas carols in public places while
> arguing the menorah is okay because it is a secular symbol, which it
> isn’t.
You have yet to produce a single example of this. In fact, this is a
reference to your claim based on a lawsuit filed by the KKKK which you identifed
as a “Jewish group,”
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Big “Mistake”
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> >As I have said, the most logical assumption is that the
> >author quoted by Tom Moran confused the names of two
> >different camps. The best thing, I guess, is to ask him;
> >does anyone know how to contact the author (Sachar,
> >Abram L.)?
> If anyone out here has the capability to contact Abram Sachar,
> it’s Mr.Keren. He is very active in the workings of a number of
> Holocaust promotional networks.
Actually the university at which he teaches (or taught) has been
posted. If l’il tommy was serious he could have made the telephone call himself.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: WHAT I BELIEVE
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> Its called ‘honor’. Some people have it. Some don’t.
You , for example, do not.
You have several times challenged me to prove the fairly obvious
truths that you are a liar and an anti-Semite. Yet every time I accept this
challenge you run and hide.
“Honor,” l’il tommy. That’s a word that should never be in your
vocabulary.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: WHAT I BELIEVE
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> >> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> >
> >> Its called ‘honor’. Some people have it. Some don’t.
To which I responded:
> > You , for example, do not.
> >
> > You have several times challenged me to prove the fairly obvious
> >truths that you are a liar and an anti-Semite. Yet every time I accept this
> >challenge you run and hide.
> Lets do right here. What are you afraid of?
I have told you before. I want an impartial forum. This is called, in
American terms, a “fair trial.” Apparently you have no real grasp of the concept. I
want the right to present my evidence before an unbiased person or panel and have
a decision made as to whether I am correct or not. I am even willing to pay for that
privilege if I am wrong (as long as you make the same commitment).
The person quivering in fear is you. Specifically you mess your pants at the
thought of:
1. having to defend your lies and bigotry;
2. having to provide the source for your lies and bigotry;
3. being cross-examined about your lies and bigotry.
The fact is that you know that when exposed to the light of day your
opinions rank with those who believe the earth is flat or that cigarettes do not cause
cancer.
> > “Honor,” l’il tommy. That’s a word that should never be in your
> >vocabulary.
Where are you hiding this time, li’l tommy?
Are you cowering in a dark corner of the basement?
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Question…
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> [email protected] writes:
> >Yale F. Edeiken writes:
> >Sine you are closer to the source than most of us, why don’t you check.
> >You might start with the government office that assigns counsel to
> >indigents and locate his solictor/barrister.
> No.
Why not? You had the interest to raise the question and it is certainly
an easier question to find an answer than most of us.
> Its Christmas, Mr. Edeiken.
It will be next week. Whether or not its a cultural difference, for a
criminal lawyer in the U.S. Christmas can be a busy season. Lots of Christmas
cheer and lots of DUIs.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
> > Again, here is what YOU think and what REALITY IS:
> > 5. “A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated.”-
> > -Aboda Sarah 37a.
> > Apparently a deliberate misquote. The observation is a technical, physiological
> > one, regarding the impurities related to genital “flows” as outlined in
> > Leviticus chapter 15. The Talmudic source argues that since the tearing of the
> > hymen at that age would be permanent (as distinct from a younger girl whose
> > hymen the rabbis believed would grow back), she is considered to have
reached a
> > state of physical development that her discharges would be included under
the
> > category of impure flows according to the Biblical purity laws. (The same rule,
> > by the way, would apply to a Jewish girl). This is of course not a permission to
> > “violate” the girl, merely a legal definition of her age.
> Do you regard the menstral flow as “impure”, in the same sense as
> other bodily funcitions dealing with elimination?
Biblical laws about purity make a clear statement about blood — both
animal and human.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
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> [email protected] writes:
> How many times in history was the talmud ordered confiscated and
> burned by authorities throughout the world and why would they do that?
Frequently, especially in medieval Europe. It was, for a time, the official
policy of the Catholic Church. Further many editions of the Talmud were “edited”
or “censored.” As Steinsaltz wrote:
“The Talmud was alsosubjected to government and xhurch censorship,
and most present-day editions contain a number of changes and omissions
introduced by censorship. Indeed, almost every passage dealing with non-Jews
must be suspected of having undergone some change.” (Steinstaltz “The
Talmud: a Reference Guide.” Page 50)
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Nor is he very imaginative. This was the same excuse he used when
he
> > posted that the placque at Auschwitz stated 4,000,000 “Jews” claiming that
he had
> > a picture which proved it.
> Yale, your comments are as stale as your brain. You aren’t even a
> challenge anymore.–rb
Are you denying that made that statement?
Apparently the challenge is that you cannot explain your lie.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> the criminal Giwer writes:
> On 21 Dec 1996 12:11:21 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > “The Talmud was alsosubjected to government and xhurch censorship,
> >and most present-day editions contain a number of changes and omissions
> >introduced by censorship. Indeed, almost every passage dealing with non-Jews
> >must be suspected of having undergone some change.” (Steinstaltz “The
> >Talmud: a Reference Guide.” Page 50)
> Sounds like something a revisionist would say.
the difference of course is that Steinsaltz has considerable evidence
(including partial Talmuds from *before* the fiting was done and the papal decrees
that set the process in motion. Steinsaltz’s comments are, therefore, conclusions
based on the evidence. This cannot be said of the “revisionists.” You have yet to
produce a single bit of evidence for any of your flatulent fabrications and, rather
than being based on analysis of the evidence, they frequently are — yours for
example — silly speculations based on ignorance and bigotry. Toi cite one example
who can forget your ignorant misconception that head lice transmit typhus and th
world of fabrication you built on that crap. To cite another you started in this
newsgroup with the announcements that the Himmler speech at Posen was a
forgery becasue tape recorders had not been invented yet and that another
statement by Eichmann (?) was a fraud because it referred to the “United Nations.”
Steinsaltz would not make stupid mistakes liek that.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished?
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > The point is not whether “research” needs to be done but whether the
> > information was available to you. In fact, Segev’s book was a doctoral thesis
for
> > which he had access to (and for this information) cited to material in the
> > Budesarchiv Koblenz which contains the SS files. While the trial of Koch
might
> > have been only a passing reference in “Soldiers of Evil” it is clearly
> > “authoritative” as there is no reason to doubt its accuracy.
> That the author had access to such documents I do not doubt. I merely
> question some of his interpretations.–rb
The question does not concern “interpretations” but *facts.*
Specifically, the charges made against Koch. Apparently you do not argue with
the *facts* Segev used, but chose to give a *factual* account entirely different
>from the ones he documented.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
> # I already clarified this in a previous post. I did not
> # have the article in front of me when I posted.
> Oh, poor baby. Every time one of “rblackmore’s”
> lies is exposed, he has some lame excuse.
> “I did not have the article in front of me when
> I posted”…
> What a pathetic little liar this “rblackmore” is.
Nor is he very imaginative. This was the same excuse he used when he
posted that the placque at Auschwitz stated 4,000,000 “Jews” claiming that he had
a picture which proved it.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Stele Still Hasn’t Read the U.S. Consitution
Date: 18 Dec 1996 01:58:16 GMT
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> On 17 Dec 1996 00:44:09 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> >> 1. Please name a jurisdiction using anglo-american law where a
> >> >>defendant may make a statement to the finder of fact without
> >cross-examination or
> >> >>rebuttal.
> >> >> 2. Please name a single item of evidence entered into evidence by
the
> >> >>Tribunal that does not conform to Rule 803 or Rule 804 of the U.S.
Code of
> >> >>Evidence.
> >> > I thought you would never get around to mentioning evidence. Who
> >> >issued the search warrants under which the evidence was collected?
Or
> >> >did they just go busting into the imagined crime scene without
> >> >probable cause?
> >> Oh Yalie-poo, where are you?
> > Laughing too hard to compose an answer. Not only have the
criminal
> >Giwer and his little dog Stele failed to account for the expansive rights given
the
> >nazi defendants at Nuremberg but now they think that Amendment IV
applies to
> >the archives of foreign governments during wartime. If it were not for the
fact that
> >it is the criminal Giwer and and the schnauzer posting, it would be pathetic.
> Side-stepping the issue I see.
The only one side-stepping seems to be you to repeat:
1. Name a single juristidiction which allows a defendant to make a
statement to the finder of fact without cross-examination or without the
prosecution being allowed to respond.
2. Name a single item moved into evidence which is not admissible
under Federal Rules of Evidence 803 or 804.
To which we can now add:
3. Cite some authority for the proposition that the archives of a
government at war with the United States are protected by the Fourth
Amendment.
Take the dog biscuit out of your mouth and stop dodging.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Judaism is not Religion of U.S. government either!
Date: 17 Dec 1996 03:06:10 GMT
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> Doc Tavish <“[email protected]”@phoenix.net> writes:
> “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on
> the
> Christian religion.”
> George Washington, 1796
> Let me elaborate:
>
> “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on
> the
> Jewish religion of Judaism however it was founded by people of the
> Christian religion and the oath of office is not taken with a hand on a
> Talmud volume.”
> Doc Tavish, 1996
Actually Washington took both of his oaths of office on a Masonic
Bible. So did Adams and Jefferson.
> No Gunther eating a bagel will not make me a Jew any more than reading
> Mein Kampf will make a person a Nazi. What Johann?
No but believing in Mein Kamph *does* make one a nazi.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish–Kramer IV
Date: 22 Dec 1996 01:17:34 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> On 22 Sep 1996 17:33:48 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> > Sure. First you give them water.
> >> The water with the corpses floating in it?
> > Gee, first you take the corpses out.
> And here an example of the lack of education of folks in pre-law. You
heard it
> here folks all you have to do to make water polluted to rotting corpes is
remove
> the corpses and it is as pure as French designer water.
Here is the lack of honesty by the nazi blackmore. It is fairly easy to
purify water. Heat does the trick. But first, of course, you remove the corpses.
Kramer was content to leave the corpses in the camp cisterns. There is a simple
reason for this. He was a murderous bastard.
> >> > The water was available.
> >> The only water available was in the river, which Kramer thought was
polluted.
> >> There indeed was not enough water in the camp to supply the thousands
of ill
> >people
> >> jammed in there, which was not Kramer’s fault.
> > The British restored water in hours. Kramer could not do it days.
> You mean the British who connected the water station to one of their
portable
> generators?
No, The British who used the power available in the camp (which they
did) to use the pumps available in the camp (which were alos used by the
British).
> >> > Second you give them food.Food was available. Kramer did not do
this.
> >> No. Most of these peole were ill with gastro-enteritis. Food aggravates
this
> >> condition. Also, the food was NOT available for these great numbers.
That, of course is another lie. You do *not* deprive people suffering
>from gastro-enteritis from nutrition. Kramer did. Yopu absolutely do not deprive
them of water. Kramer did.
> > The British managed to do it within hours.
> We have been over that. Even a holohugger posted it.
Yes. You lied about it then. You are lying about it now. Food was
available Kramer never asked for it.
> >> > Medical help was available. Kramer did not do this.
> >> Not true, The attempt was made. Even the British had problems saving
lives,
> >> and they were better epuipped than kramer by a long shot.
No attempt was ever made. Nor can depriving sick people of food
and water be described as making an attempt. The British had problems
becasue the murderous bastard you love so much allowed it to happen. He
didn’t care.
> > No attempt was made. Kramer did not take even the most basic
public
> >health precautions.
> You mean like keeping rotting corpses out of the river? Of course that
does not
> address all of the normal raw sewage in it. Or do you think the German EPA
had
> imposed sewage treatment plants on the country?
There were neither rotting corpses or raw sewage in the river. The
water was potable. It was being used locally by the town and was used by the
British to supply the camp.
> >> > Fourth you tell the sadisitc gang of thugs you command to stop killing
> >> > people. Kramer did not do this.
> >> Where is the order that he told them to kill people? Also, some of these
guards
> >were
> >> not under his direct command, having been sent there during the last few
> >weeks of the
> >> war.
The entire camp was under his direct command. He was an
experienced comamnder, trained and promoted for his efficiency.
> To bad the “liberators” (who were there by negotiation of the camp’s
early
> surrender at Kramer’s instigation) did not report any such thing. Beyond that,
> nice try.
Actually they not only reported it, they testified under oath at his trial.
In other words, the nazi blackmore’s words are fabrications and these
fabrications made to whitewash a nazi murderer.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish–Kramer III
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> [email protected] writes:
> On 24 Sep 1996 02:10:18 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> >> The water with the corpses floating in it?
> >> > Gee, first you take the corpses out.
> >> And here an example of the lack of education of folks in pre-law. You
> >heard it
> >> here folks all you have to do to make water polluted to rotting corpes is
> >remove
> >> the corpses and it is as pure as French designer water.
> > Since the British used the water and no-one was harmed by it; your
> >statement that it wa polluted is ridciulous.
> Back to cases. If corpses are rotting in the water, our brilliant counselor
> says, take out the bodies and the water is pure. What next, counselor? Sip
> around the turds and be safe?
> Hey, genius! Tell us more.
Sure. Like it or not it is fairly easy to purify water. You boil it. About five
minutes does the trick.
But lest we forget. The corpses and the turds are were not in all the
water supply — only the cisterns in the camp.
But that does not even come close to satisfying the basic point. The
allegation that there was no potable water available is pure fabrication. The
British took over the camp and supplied potable water using the equipment
available. You can wiggle and squirm all you want. The only difference between
the murderous Kramer and the British was that the British did not want to see
innocent people die.
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> > Brian Harmon writes:
> It was, but you keep insisting that Kramer did all he could,
> > when it is clear that he didn’t.
> It certainly is NOT clear that he didn’t. Otherwise we would not keep
> addressing this issue. I believe I have posted the truth in this matter.
> If you can’t see it-that’s fine. We’ll just move along to something else.
We are addressing the issue becasue you continue to lie.
> What equipment did he have in the camp?
> Kramer is only guilty of ignorance here, as he thought the river
> was polluted-and it probably was.
The water in the river was potable. There is absolutely no question about
that. You are lying again.
> This is debateable, and perhaps he simply did not possess the ingenuity to
> deal effectively with the issue. I still maintain that the river water was
> generally thought of by both the Germans and British initially as NOT suitable
> for drinking. In fact, on page 45 of the Belsen Trial you may read the
> following:
> “All water was brought in by British water trucks.” Also:
> “The water in the tanks and in the concentration area was completely foul,
> and as an immediate emergency measure some army water-carts were sent
> in.” Pg. 54.
> It is clear that this water did NOT come from the river
The opposite is true. The water came from the river.
> but from British supplies.
> In fact, though a British officer later stated that the water pumped in from the river
> was “fit to drink”, they still brought in water from British water carts for immediate
> use in the camp.
They used water carts to bring water from the river.
> It took four to five days to supply the camp with water from the
> river. As to HOW this officer knew that the river water was potable, or whether
> he himself drank of it, the records do not say.
It took a matter of hours once they realized that there was equipment in
the camp.
> If the water at Belsen was contaminated, why didn’t Kramer do anything about
it?
> Well, what could he have done? Even the British had to resort to their own
water
> supplies to relieve the camp for the first week.
You keep repeating this lie.
The blackmore method is an obvious one. He has decided that a
murderous bastard was innocent because blackmore hero-worships the man. He
therefore continually invents excuses for his murderous conduct.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> [email protected] writes:
> The question is not whether you can lie about the placque. You did
> so. You specifically claimed that it stated “Jews.” The question is why did
you
> think you could get away with it. That is a question only you could answer.
> If you research Deja news, you will see that it was answered. Stop fiddling
around
> with this nonsense. You attempt to make a big balloo over whether Jews
were specifically
> mentioned on these plaques or now. Whether they were or weren’t, the
results are still the
> same. You nor the Polish Auschwitz “Museum” can come up with
convincing figures to show
> that millions of non-Jews were gassed at Auschwitz. –rb
Which. of course, is why they changed the monument. That does not
change the original meaning which referrred to non-Jewish vicitms of the nazis.
> Yes, and these alleged four million were what–Eskimoes? Are you so
> dense?
> Why are you so dishonest. The Poles consistently claimed it was
> > Poles. As one sociologist who studied the Polish conception of Auschwitz
stated
> > it was “Auschwitz without Jews.” (citation previously provided).
> > > So? What is your contention, then, that 1.5 million Jews were killed at
> > > Auschwitz and 2.5 million Gentiles? Is that what you are now asking us
> > > to swallow? Lotsa luck…-rb
> > No. No one is stating that this is the fact. They have been stating
that
> > this was the Polish position. It was. Why are you so dense? Or is it just
> > dishonesty?
> Let’s go another round on this—-the Poles called the Jews Poles, is that it?
> It doesn’t change the fact that the millions referred to were not Poles but
Polish
> Jews….entienda…? Quibble, quibble…..rb
Apparently you command of English is fairly poor. The Poles called
the Poles “Poles.” Clearly one of the reasons they inflated the figure was to
maximize the appearance of Polish suffering. “Auschwitz without Jews” means
exactly that.
Nor is it a quibble. The fact is you lied and did so obnoxiously. And
have been even more obnoxious about it since you lie was exposed.
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> Mr. Power, people would respect you more if you wouldn’t play them for fools by
> distorting comments they are capable of reading for themselves. And you still
refer
> to me as a liar about the paques although this issue was settled ages ago.
Yes. You lied. It was not a “mistake” for you stated that you had a
photograph of the monuments in front of you.
> Of course. however, all of this will have to wait until I locate all the available
> research material. hoess was certainly under investigation for the murder of
Jews.
The “available research material” is easy to locate. It is in the
Bundesarchiv Koblenz which contains the original papers of the investigations.
Please give a single source reliable source who state that Hoess was under
investigation for the “murder of Jews.”
> No. According to Morgen, this had also to do with murdering jews.–rb
That is completely untrue. Boith Morgen and Gunther Reinecke (Chief
Judge of the Supreme SS and Police Court) testified as defense witnesses at
Nurember. Neither made such statements. Both, by the way, claimed that
Himmler had tried to interfer with their investigations.
> misleading yourself ae well. When I do post the material, and I will, your
knickers will
> drop of their own accord…..rb
The material, specifically Morgen’s testimony as a defense witness at
Nuremberg is available at many libraries. You have posted nothing becasue you
have nothing.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Question…
Date: 22 Dec 1996 03:01:41 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > > [email protected] writes:
> > > Why is Al Baron in jail?
> > > Darren Green,
> > > Oxford Brookes University.
> > Sine you are closer to the source than most of us, why don’t you
check.
> > You might start with the government office that assigns counsel to indigents
and
> > locate his solictor/barrister.
> That was cruel and vicious, Yale. And you are supposed to be religious?
Perhaps you should explain yourself. The questioner is in geographic
proximity to the situation. I suggested a rather easy way to locate the information
in which he seems interested.
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Dec 24 08:26:10 PST 1996
Article: 87905 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
Date: 18 Dec 1996 02:22:54 GMT
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> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
> Hmmm… Let’s go back to where this started.
> Mr. Tavish said Muslims aren’t allowed in the Israeli military.
>
> MANY people pointed out that he was incorrect, and gave specific examples
> of Druze muslims, for instance, serving in the Israeli military.
> Mr. Tavish’s response was to say something “cute” about being the butt of
jokes.
> Mr. Tavish was CERTAINLY PROVED WRONG in his statement regarding
Jews in
> the IDF.
> Yet, here is is, insisting that he hasn’t been proved wrong.
> Ever wonder what these guys use for brains?
No. I saw “Young Frankenstein.” — “Abby who?”
–YFE
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Article: 87958 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished?
Date: 19 Dec 1996 06:38:39 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] (Tutu101) writes:
> >To M. Stein: You are, of course, correct when you write that these events
> >occurred in 1937. However, Koch was charged and executed in the forties,
> >as well as another commandaer, I believe. Hoess was under investigation
> >by SS authorities as well, and a deposition was taken by one Eleanor
> >Hodyss, a mistress of the ex-commandant. This deposition was to be used
> >as evidence against him by the SS judicial authorities. The investigation
> >had the full backing of Himmler. Grabner was also arrested by the SS and
> >charged with crimes, as was Goeth. However, due to the late period in
> >time when their crimes came to light, they were later re-arrested and
> >executed by the Poles. I am confident that I shall uncover many more such
> >cases as I continue to do research.
> Joe, there’s a curious lacuna in all the above: “under investigation” for
> WHAT? “arrested by the SS” for WHAT? WHAT crimes were involved? You
have
> been arguing that SS men were punished for cruelty toward Jews, but you
> have presented evidence only that the SS occasionally arrested, charged,
> or investigated its members for “crimes” which you consistently refuse to
> specify (except, as I recall, at the beginning of your discussion of SS
> arrests, when you demonstrably lied).
The lacuna is neither curious nor inexplicable. As has been posted here
several times the Morgen investigations were for embezzlement. In Koch’s case he
was convicted as well of murdering two non-Jewish inmates who could provide
evidence against him. The murders took place after the investigation began. The
details of these cases can be found, among other places, in “Soldiers of Evil” by
Tom Segev. That work is significant to this discussion becasue “blackmore”
claims that he owns and has read it.
–YFE
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Article: 87985 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: ‘Let them die, why should you care?’
Date: 24 Dec 1996 03:45:40 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
>
> I believe you were indeed provided with a reference. As to the
> alleged correspondence, I can only say that it must be another forgery.
> You may find evidence of these forgeries in the biography of Lucius
> B. Clay, where he freely admitted that these horror pieces were frauds.–rb
> I have the relevant pages of Clay’s autobiography in front of me. (Page
> 254) He makes no such statement complaining only: “Perhaps I erred in
judgment
> [in commuting Koch’s sentence] but no one can share the responsibility of a
> reviewing officer. Later the Senate committee which unanimously criticized
this
> action heard witnesses who gave testimony not contained in the record
before me.
> I could only take action on that record.”
> So much for “blackmore’s’ statement.
> In the book “Lucius D. Clay–An American Life, Jean Edward Smith, Henry Holt
> & Co., 1990, he reproduces an interview with Clay. Here is an excerpt:
> CLAY: “…..one of the reasons I revoked the death sentence of Ilse Koch.
There
> was absolutely no evidence in the trial manuscript, other than that she was a
rather
> oathesome creature, that would support the death sentence. I received more
abuse
> for that than anything else I did in Germany. Some reporter had called her the
“Bitch of
> Buchenwald”, had written that she had lampshades made out of human skin
in her
> house. And that was introduced in court, where it was absolutely proven that
the
> lampshades were made out of goatskin.” P. 300-301.
> Time to enter into the nineties, Yale.
Time to enter reality. Here is a man defending himself against charges
that he was wrong and he doesn’t bother to present this rather convincing bit of
evidence. Instead he states “perhaps I erred.” Thirty years later he makes an
statement which factually is not correct.
Produce the trial testimony. Not some second-hand account.
–YFE
