> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:
> YFE claims Giwer is a criminal. He omits that Giwer’s e-mail was sent in reply to
YFE’s
> unsolicited e-mail. Omission is lying.
That is a lie, Matty poo, I requested that you stop sending me e-mail.
The response was “I am tired of your shit. Fuck off.” It was followed by another
bit of your anti-Semitic venom. That’s one of the reasons why Netcom suspended
you.
You criminally harassed me and my family, Matty poo. You a criminal.
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 15 14:58:47 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Blackmore Lies Again
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> In a desperate effort to buttress his agenda [email protected] writes:
> been disseminated for decades from Poland throughout
> the whole world that 4 million Jews were murdered at Auschwitz,
> implied that Polish people were never “taught” that 4 million
> Jews had been murdered by the Nazis. What follows is the
> English translation of a book originally published in
> Poland
> from the book “German Crimes in Poland” , published by the Central
> Commission for Investigation of German Crimes in Poland, Warsaw
> 1946, Vol 1, which details all the lies you and your mendacious
> “friend” deny:
Which, of course, iks not a schoolbook.
> Here is a direct quote from the Polish Commission:
> “As is well known, the Soviet Legal and Medicinal
> Commission, which arrived at Auschwitz immediately
> after the flight of the Germans, has stated that the
> number of the murdered EXCEEDED 4,000,000. (Caps mine)
No mention of 4,000,000 “Jews.”
> These calculations are in conformity with the data obtained
> during the inquiry from a competent (!-rb) witness, a railway
> employee from Oswiecim station. This man, Fr. Stanek,
> stated that in the three years 1942-1944, 3,850,000
> prisoners were brought to Oswiecim by rail. Five millions
> would be nearer the mark counting those brought by car.”
> Page 90.
> end of quote.
No mention of “Jews.”
> Well, Mr. Counselor, you can now add your name to the list
> of the other liars
Actually what we can do is not bother to erase your name from the list of
distortionists.
> > No reference to Jews. Live with it. The Poles were taught, correctly,
> > that approximately 25% of the population of Poland was killed by your nazi
heroes.
> > They were never taught that 90% of Polish Jews were murdered; the word
“Jew”
> > was never mentioned in their histories or in their classrooms.
> Well, Yale, you stepped in it big time this time. In fact,
> not only did you step in it, you’re the one who dumped it.
You still have yet to produce a statement by the Poles that 4,000,000
“Jews” were murdered at Auschwitz. The Poles were never taught that the
majority of victims were Jewish.
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 15 14:58:48 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
Someone give Moran a clue:
> >Tom, calm down–you were duped by Matt Giwer. There is no “Moshe”.
So Moran demonstrated his bigotry:
> You could be right. But look at it this way, his impersonation
> was aweful realistic.
Only to a bigot like you. It is humorous that the only two people taken
in by Giwer’s hoax were two people who have announced how good they are
at evaluating the credibility of others.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: “Anti-Semitism”? Then, so be it.
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> > That’s a lie and you know it. Your anti-Semitism has been proved time
> >and time again by your bigotry and your lies.
> What’s a “lie”?
> (This one?) > “Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism”.
In your case: yes. You are a a blatent anti-Semite who covers his
bigotry by claiming to be “anti-Zionist.” Sorry Moran your numerous lies about
“the Jews” (that is the term *you* habitually use) prove otherwise.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Israeli Use of Torture to Interrogate Palestinians (II)
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> When replying to this article, see what happens:
> Most clearly, a forgery and a troll by someone from worldnet,
> pretending to be a Jew.
> Later, the “[email protected]” changed to “[email protected]”,
> in an attempt to conceal the forgery.
> Thanks to John Morris for pointing this out.
> Now, boys and girls, who is the notorious antisemite and
> “revisionist” posting from “worldnet”?
Let me guess, Dr. Keren. Is it the same anti-Semite who complains that
only people who believe in the Holocaust post under fake names?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it…
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> [email protected] writes:
> True enough. That is why I always try to confirm
> the sources before I post. if there is any room for
> doubt, I will come right out and say so at the time
> of posting,
Then please tell us what research you did on Leroy the Mace before you
decided to ignore his written statements and rely on a hearsay account of a
speech he made.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Yes. Your “evidence” was a “reasonable suspicion.” You have
> > poste nothing else concerning his treatment at the time he confessed or
when
> > he wrote his memoirs.
> Wrong again. Browse, Counselor, browse…….
I have. You have produced nothing other than your “reasonable
suspicion.”
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 15 19:07:39 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> > Oh dear. Why is Gerald Fleming “one of the most biased sources one
> > could refer to?” Because you say so, or do you simply dismiss
> > respected historians with an airy wave of your hand because they
> > happen to disagree with your views?
> Or do you simply select sources who pour the most
> unsubstantiated vitriol on the Germans? I suppose
> Goldhagen is one of your darlings as well……..In any
> case, Fleming’s book is a rather slim volumes packed
> with unsupported accusations and conjectures. He is
> the darling of the intentionalists.
> rb
You’re lying again. Most of Fleming’s most recent book “Hitler and the
Final Solution” consists almost entirely of contemporary documents.
Face it, sonny boy, you just can’t stand the truth.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel
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> [email protected] writes:
> It is nothing I am hiding, by the way. I WILL post it
> as soon as I am ready. You wouldn’t want me to
> rush in with an opinion before I ahve thoroughly
> researched the subject, would you?…..Sure, you would.
The problem is that you should have “researched” it before you wrote
rather than after.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: DAVID IRVING to tour Australia????
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> [email protected] (AryanGar) writes:
> First off GravesBoy… The NA is not “neo-Nazi”, has never called it’s
> self that nor uses the term.
When was the last time LCN referred to itself as a “criminal
conspiracy?”
> read the Bulletins U claim to get. I have been a member for many years &
> have attended many formal meetings, Unit meetings, functions, social
> events, fund-raisers, book club meetings, protests, group literature
> distributions, etc… I have met many many NA members from not only all
> over North America but from around the globe. I am always impressed with
> the cadre the NA has. Repeating your silly lies about the NA many times
> will not ever make them true.
They must be very proud of the Freeman brothers.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] writes:
>
> Indeed I do. However, you won’t begrudge me an error
> simply because the actual quote was unavailable to me at
> the time, would you?
At the time you made your claims, you claimed to have *photographs*
in front of you that proved you correct. And now that you have been nailed on
this one you are repeating the same tactic of taking a Polish source which
refers to Polish dead and claiming that they are referring to “Jews.”
> Anyway, whether they were gassed
> or not is simply quibbling. The whole statement on the slab was a lie
> through and through and that is the main point. And the
> lie has been quoted SO often by so many sources that it
> should shame people….
And it was protests by, among others, Jewish groups that casued the
change. Live with it.
> If you can’t believe the messengers, how can you
> believe the message?
You have given us ample reason to doubt you as a messenger.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: Dachau – to remind them of the truth
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> Photos? None. Even though the place was swarming with Allied
> cameramen. “Jews”? How would he know the bones were Jews?
No photos of Dachau? You must be joking. There are even color
movies of the liberation of Dachau made by George Stevens and William Mellor
who were part of an army photographic team.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: blackmore Evades
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> [email protected] writes:
> > Please produce the post where I “promised” to supply you with a
> > pathologist’s raw notes and the tox reports?
> > Produce it or stop lying about it.
> That isn’t even a good try. where are the reports?
In Larson’s report; where I always said it was.
Where’s the post where I said otherwise, sonny boy?
From [email protected] Tue Oct 15 20:41:39 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] writes:
> > > > Matthew Monroe.
> > > And?
> > There is no “and.” You asked where I got the photographs. He was
> > the source.
> Yes, but where did he obtain the photographs?
From his photo album of one of his trips home to Poalnd.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Too Drunk to Know What He is Talking About
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> the Criminal Giwer writing under his latest psuedonym:
> On 11 Oct 1996 23:32:00 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > You are either lying or too drunk to be taken seriously. If you think that
> >there were reversible errors at Nuremberg please make a case of it. So far you
> >have posted nothing that an appeals court would even bother considering.
You
> >have stated that your opinion is that no fair trial was given. You have yet to
> >support this with either full citations of the record or a recitation of legal principle
> >that would support your contention.
> Prosecutor Something-Fyfe: Did you not tell me last night that you
> (recitation of guilt)
> Witness: That is not what I said.
> Prosecutor: You said that you had (recitation of guilt)
> There was no objection from the defense.
>
Why should there be. It’s proper cross-examination. The technique is
called impeachemnt by prior inconsisent statement.
> > The burden, as in any appeal, is upon you. Please try to present your
> >position in a coherent manner. Given your criminal tendencies, it might be
good
> >practice for the future.
> As you note the prosecution introduced a statement that he claimed was
from
> the defendant and continued on the presumption that it was true even though
> it had been denied. That is the sort of thing you consider to be a fair
> trial.
That’s how you impeach by prior inconsistent statement. There is no
presumption that it is true, only that the defendant said it and is saying something
different on the stand. It happens frequently, especially in civil cases where
depositions are commonly taken of all parties and msot witnesses.
It would help if you had elementary knowledge of what happens at a
trial.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: “Anti-Semitism”? Then, so be it.
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> >> > That’s a lie and you know it. Your anti-Semitism has been proved time
> >> >and time again by your bigotry and your lies.
> >> What’s a “lie”?
> >> (This one?) > “Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism”.
> > In your case: yes. You are a a blatent anti-Semite who covers his
> >bigotry by claiming to be “anti-Zionist.” Sorry Moran your numerous lies about
> >”the Jews” (that is the term *you* habitually use) prove otherwise.
> You are only confirming his point fool. He posts truths about the “Holocaust” [tm]
and
> Jews and you call him anti-semite for that reason.
Sure, Matty poo. But please tell us how labeling the acts of the KKKK in
the United States as being done by “a Jewish group” consitutes discussing the
Holocaust?
Only another Jew hating jerk like you would come to this conclusion.
> Keep calling him that. Keep confirming his point.
Keep forging other people’s names to posts, violating the criminal laws, and
attempting to shut your opponents up by mail bombing them.
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > > [email protected] writes:
> > > > > > Matthew Monroe.
> > > > > And?
> > > > There is no “and.” You asked where I got the photographs.
He was
> > > > the source.
> > > Yes, but where did he obtain the photographs?
> > From his photo album of one of his trips home to Poalnd.
> Well, when did he go there? What year?
1986, 1988, 1990, 1992, 1994
And the inscription he saw, as you have admitted, neither mentioned
Jews or gassing.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> Gerald Fleming is everything the denier scum wish they were. Honest.
> Meticulous. Accurate. Objective.
> He is their mortal enemy because of this.
And proof that his legacy will continue can be found at:
http://www.soe.usfca.edu/CIT/denial/home.html (Page doesn`t exist)
For those who would continue blackmore’s legacy look under the nearest
flat rock.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
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On Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:29:44 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>[re: the difficulty of obtaining documents from archival sources which
>of course are difficult to obtain unless you can produce a letter of
>recommendation demonstrating a serious scholarly purpose, and
>sometimes even that is not enough, as I found out to my chagrin two
>summers ago at the Bodleian Library, though I finally did manage to
>obtain a reader’s pass, but that’s a whole other story]
>>If they ARE unlikely to be easily accessible, and they ARE,
>>what do you think is the reason for it?
>It’s a Jewish conspiracy?
Of course did you miss your invitation to the planning session? All us
Jews are conspiring. It is in our blood. Just as Moshe the Just.
From [email protected] Wed Oct 16 07:15:36 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] writes:
> Who is “us”? It must be truly discomfiting for you
> when you see your whole facade of lies collapsing
> all around your head…..rb
You are very good at repeating dialogue from old Fu Manchu movies but,
to date, you have neither challenged any part of the history of the Holocaust or
demonstrated the intellectual ability to do so. The check out what some young
historians think of you and the garbage you spew, the following web-site would be
of interest:
http://www.soe.usfca.edu/CIT/denial/home.html (Page doesn`t exist)
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> Brian Harmon <[email protected]> writes:
> The fact of the matter is, a most historical works did
> _not_ blindly parrot the four million figure (see the list included
> at the end of this post.)
A very good post Brian but you left out one source that I think should
be included. William Shirer’s “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” is the most
widely read book on nazi Germany. It cites the Reitlinger estimate.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:53:51 GMT, [email protected] (Kurt Stele) wrote:
>[email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> Face it, sonny boy, you just can’t stand the truth.
>Face it “sonny boy” your Holocaust is lying piece of Jewish filth, which is why Jews must
>cowardly censor the counter-evidence to it.
>Kurt Stele
Us real Jews are the Chosen People. Bow down, Goy.
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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On 15 Oct 1996 23:48:46 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> [email protected] writes:
>> > > > Matthew Monroe.
>
>> > > And?
>
>> > There is no “and.” You asked where I got the photographs. He was
>> > the source.
>> Yes, but where did he obtain the photographs?
> From his photo album of one of his trips home to Poalnd.
Stop it, Biwer. Even I can spell better than that.
From [email protected] Wed Oct 16 08:41:39 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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On 15 Oct 1996 13:42:04 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> Someone give Moran a clue:
>> >Tom, calm down–you were duped by Matt Giwer. There is no “Moshe”.
> So Moran demonstrated his bigotry:
Waily ne Waley is a Jew.
>> You could be right. But look at it this way, his impersonation
>> was aweful realistic.
> Only to a bigot like you. It is humorous that the only two people taken
>in by Giwer’s hoax were two people who have announced how good they are
>at evaluating the credibility of others.
Giwer must be watching you. He appears to be much better a person than you
are, being a Jew and all that.
From [email protected] Wed Oct 16 08:41:40 PDT 1996
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I know the most embarrassing part of my holocaust is the complete and total
lack of physical evidence. I know it all rests upon self contradictory
witnesses.
But let me stress that I will lie, cheat and steal to promote this
holocaust as if it goes away, I do not have a life.
From [email protected] Wed Oct 16 08:41:41 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:51:30 GMT, [email protected] (Kurt Stele) wrote:
>[email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> So Moran demonstrated his bigotry:
>And you continue to demonstrate your stupidity.
>> Only to a bigot like you.
>You support the Jewish state, the most bigotted, openly-racist nation on the planet.
But you forget we have partners in the Union of South Africa for our racism
and bomb development.
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 07:43:36 GMT
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On 15 Oct 1996 23:51:57 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> [email protected] writes:
>> > [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
>
>> > Oh dear. Why is Gerald Fleming “one of the most biased sources one
>> > could refer to?” Because you say so, or do you simply dismiss
>> > respected historians with an airy wave of your hand because they
>> > happen to disagree with your views?
>> Or do you simply select sources who pour the most
>> unsubstantiated vitriol on the Germans? I suppose
>> Goldhagen is one of your darlings as well……..In any
>> case, Fleming’s book is a rather slim volumes packed
>> with unsupported accusations and conjectures. He is
>> the darling of the intentionalists.
>> rb
> You’re lying again. Most of Fleming’s most recent book “Hitler and the
>Final Solution” consists almost entirely of contemporary documents.
> Face it, sonny boy, you just can’t stand the truth.
Ediken poo, stop pretending to be me.
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > > It is nothing I am hiding, by the way. I WILL post it
> > > as soon as I am ready. You wouldn’t want me to
> > > rush in with an opinion before I ahve thoroughly
> > > researched the subject, would you?…..Sure, you would.
> > The problem is that you should have “researched” it before you wrote
> > rather than after.
> We are discussing Auschwitz here, and I really
> have made any definitive statement yet.
That’s incorrect. You have posted definitive statements about the
monuments to those murdered by the nazis. You have also stated your
conclusions. Most people do their research first, then post conclusions. You do
the opposite. For some conclusions about the denier arguments you post check
out:
http://www.soe.usfca.edu/CIT/denial/home.html (Page doesn`t exist)
It seems you are not making much headway with those who study
history as a profession.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Moran Endorses Criminal Activity
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> It was and is realistic, the thinking that is.
You are now the first “revisionist” to comment on the criminal Giwer’s
forging of others names and misrepresentation.
You like it.
You like it because the lies agreed with your bigotry.
> Of course it was Moran that revealed you to be lying about “Rachelle”
> and it was Moran that forced you to claim a “retraction” (Back track)
> to your blurt that you lost 16,000 relatives in the Holocaust.
I have never retracted my claim, just my offer to e-mail you a list of those
names.
You are a liar and an anti-Semite. Now you endorse criminal activity just
because it conforms to your hatred of Jews.
Crawl back under a rock,
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> What really happened to the millions of Jews who lived in Poland before
> the WW2?
90% were murdered. The murderers were your nazi heroes. Does
that clear it up, nazi boy?
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> You posted
> > an extract in which, under cross examination, imprechment by prior
inconsistent
> > statement was attempted. Unfortunately she denied having made the
previous
> > statements for which impeachment was attempted. You presented nothing
to
> > indicate that she had made the previous statement.
> > On a scale of 1-10: about a 2.
> > Call her a liar on final argument and I am on my feet objecting.
> Objection overruled and I move to change jurisdiction
> due to extreme prejudice.
I take it you would be playing for the appeal where your client asks
that the verdict be overturned because his counsel was incompetent.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] writes:
> > the criminal Giwer forging the name of [email protected] (Danial
Keren) writes:
> > No forensic evidence was presented, but I know that.
> Right. So you admit you have no case. Sort of? Kind of?
> Maybe? If it weren’t for all those darned “eyewitnesses”.
Another “revisionist” suckered in. Amazing how a gullible fool poses
as someone competent to judge the credibility of others.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Another Giwer Forgery
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The criminal Giwer propagated the following forgery:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> Giwer must be watching you. He appears to be much better a person
than you
> are, being a Jew and all that.
This has been reported to [email protected]. Apparently,
however, there is one group that approves of this type of slime. The number of
“revisionists” who have publically disagreed with Giwer’s latest tactics is:
Nil
Draw your own conclusions.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Moran Endorses Criminal Activity
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> It was and is realistic, the thinking that is.
You are now the first “revisionist” to comment on the criminal Giwer’s
forging of others names and misrepresentation.
You like it.
You like it because the lies agreed with your bigotry.
> Of course it was Moran that revealed you to be lying about “Rachelle”
> and it was Moran that forced you to claim a “retraction” (Back track)
> to your blurt that you lost 16,000 relatives in the Holocaust.
I have never retracted my claim, just my offer to e-mail you a list of those
names.
You are a liar and an anti-Semite. Now you endorse criminal activity just
because it conforms to your hatred of Jews.
Crawl back under a rock,
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> What really happened to the millions of Jews who lived in Poland before
> the WW2?
90% were murdered. The murderers were your nazi heroes. Does
that clear it up, nazi boy?
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it…
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> You posted
> > an extract in which, under cross examination, imprechment by prior
inconsistent
> > statement was attempted. Unfortunately she denied having made the
previous
> > statements for which impeachment was attempted. You presented nothing
to
> > indicate that she had made the previous statement.
> > On a scale of 1-10: about a 2.
> > Call her a liar on final argument and I am on my feet objecting.
> Objection overruled and I move to change jurisdiction
> due to extreme prejudice.
I take it you would be playing for the appeal where your client asks
that the verdict be overturned because his counsel was incompetent.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] writes:
> > the criminal Giwer forging the name of [email protected] (Danial
Keren) writes:
> > No forensic evidence was presented, but I know that.
> Right. So you admit you have no case. Sort of? Kind of?
> Maybe? If it weren’t for all those darned “eyewitnesses”.
Another “revisionist” suckered in. Amazing how a gullible fool poses
as someone competent to judge the credibility of others.
–YFE
From [email protected] Wed Oct 16 23:10:28 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Another Giwer Forgery
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The criminal Giwer propagated the following forgery:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> Giwer must be watching you. He appears to be much better a person
than you
> are, being a Jew and all that.
This has been reported to [email protected]. Apparently,
however, there is one group that approves of this type of slime. The number of
“revisionists” who have publically disagreed with Giwer’s latest tactics is:
Nil
Draw your own conclusions.
–YFE
From [email protected] Wed Oct 16 23:10:28 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> the criminal Giwer forging the header [email protected] (Ken
McVay OBE) wrote:
> > And of course the aerial photos of Krema V in Birkenau show no either
LK
> >nor undressing room and the close building make them impossible.
> > Other than that, nice fable of good against evil.
> Want to try to explain why the vents in LKI were configured for a bomb shelter
but not for
> a gas chamber? First let me get a nice space on the floor to roll around when I
begin to
> laugh.
The laugh is, apaprently on you. The post was a forgery. You bit.
Now tell us again how good you are at winkling out frauds.
–YFE
From [email protected] Wed Oct 16 23:10:29 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: DAVID IRVING to tour Australia????
Date: 17 Oct 1996 02:38:15 GMT
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> [email protected] (AryanGar) writes:
> >> [email protected] (AryanGar) writes:
>
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes
> > When was the last time LCN referred to itself as a “criminal
> conspiracy?”
>
> I do not know what U R referring to or who or what the LCN is?? So U have
> made not point with me.
You’ve never heard of La Cosa Nostra? My you lead a sheltered life.
> > They must be very proud of the Freeman brothers. –YFE
> Who must be proud of the Freenman brothers?? What are U talking about??
The National Alliance.
> Again U R jumping all over the place. They have never had anything to do
> with the NA but U seem to want to reference all sorts of strange
> occurrences to the NA or others that U find disagreement with.
The Freeman brothers were members in good standing of the National
Alliance.
–YFE
From [email protected] Thu Oct 17 00:24:12 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Will the real Marduk please stand up?
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> [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
> > And all of you think that you’re “Marduk.”
>
> Mr. Edeiken is confused. There is only one among us in this
> newsgroup who thinks that we are all Marduk.
Yes but he also:
“Just Moshe”
“Gord McFee”
“Kurt Stele”
“EE”
“Danial Keren”
and, no doubt, more to come.
He outnumbers you.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Oct 18 00:15:24 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > And the inscription he saw, as you have admitted, neither mentioned
> > Jews or gassing.
> It did mention 4 million dead. How many of them were Jews,
> Yale? Then break down the rest of the figures by nationality,
> religion, and exact numbers.
Your lie was that the inscription stated that 4,000.000 “Jews” were
“gassed.” It is a bit hard to rewrite history, little boy.
Now crawl back under you rock.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Oct 18 00:15:25 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: An Open Question to Tom Moran and Kurt Stele
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> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
> Ironically, in a discussion of his attempts at forgery, Matt Giwer tries
> yet ANOTHER forgery, this time Dr. Keren. And again, he spells the name
> incorrectly.
> I suppose this is his “excuse,” that he is not spelling the name
> accurately, so it really isn’t forged.
> His motives are obvious, and I hope worldnet.att.net will do something
> about it soon.
They did. Giwer’s account was terminated Monday. This was *before* his
current spate of forgeries.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Oct 18 00:15:26 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> > Fleming is the deniers’ bane. His work is monumentally sourced, full of
> > footnotes, a monument of scholarship. It is easy to see why the deniers fear
> > him. He cannot be rebutted, since his sources are all first-hand. Real
> > piss-off, right Mr. “Blackmore”?
> I have read more than you have on this subject, and
> I don’t agree with your darling Fleming. Only a stupid
> person would but into his claptrap. Fleming’s sources
> are as phoney as he is.
Only a rather stupid person would be fooled by Giwer’s forgeries.
You were.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: blackmore the Sucker
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> [email protected] gets suckered:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > They came from Matthew Monroe. Any more disbelief and I will sue,
sue I
> > tell you. I am an attorney and all this sick nazi stuff has to stop.
> > You are a criminal Mr. McFee, a criminal. A criminal, I tell you, a
> > criminal.
Except that anybody with an ounce of sense recognized instantly that
this was a forgery by one of blackmore’s heroe’s Matt Giwer. blackmore wants to
pretend that he can tell us who and what to believe.
Now we have a demonstration of his analytical ability.
Go back to school, little boy.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Oct 18 00:15:27 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> > You silly shit. Ediken is a liar, McVay is a liar, Keren is a liar. We
> > know that.
> > We are all dumbshit little liars.
> Thanks for finally admitting it, silly little liar.
Thanks for being fooled again.
This is about the sixth time today you have failed to recognize a
forgery and, as a result, republished forged statements.
Will you apologize to all those who you have harmed in this way?
Or will you just call the victims of your stupidity names?
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Oct 18 00:15:28 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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The criminal Giwer posted the following forgery:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> Us real Jews are the Chosen People. Bow down, Goy.
This has, of course, been reported to [email protected]. In the
meantime the number of “revisionists” who have publically commented
on the criminal Giwer’s activities is:
one; T. Moran. He likes them.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Oct 18 09:25:07 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> I wonder why only kurtzi and “rblackmore” fell for this rather
> lame forgery attempt. Does anyone need more proof that they are
> aliases for Giwer?
> Posted/e-mailed to kurtzi.
Moran seems to have fallen for it as well. Isn’t it strange that the marks
for this hoax are those who insist that their opinions as to the credibility of others
should be considered definitive.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: keep it moving – holo1015.zip (0/1)
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> [email protected] (The Prime Holohugger) writes:
> On Tue, 15 Oct 1996 21:59:03 +0100, [email protected] (Sara aka
> Perrrfect) wrote:
> >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
wrote:
> >> Reflections on the Holocaust
> >ANOTHER forged message by Matt Giwer. I sincerely hope AT&T will take a
> >serious look at their subscriber and his violations of the law.
> What law? Even YFE might be honest enough to admit that if the
purpose it
> not illegal, one can be anyone one wishes to be.
Your purpose was tortious, criminal one.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Oct 18 09:25:09 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: learning
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> The Criminbal Giwer (The Prime Holohugger) writes:
> On 16 Oct 1996 23:01:47 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> >> I know the most embarrassing part of my holocaust is the complete
and total
> >> lack of physical evidence. I know it all rests upon self contradictory
> >> witnesses.
> >> But let me stress that I will lie, cheat and steal to promote this
> >> holocaust as if it goes away, I do not have a life.
> > A copy of this forgery has been sent to [email protected].
> The libel continues.
Then sue me, Matty poo.
Do you want the address of a courthouse or two?
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Oct 18 09:25:09 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Will the real Marduk please stand up?
Date: 18 Oct 1996 01:31:39 GMT
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> Keith Morrison <[email protected]> writes:
> Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> > What worries me is that between the criminal Giwer’s forgeries and
> > Moran’s arithmetical problems, they will be asking for their own congressman
at
> > the next redistricting.
> What, you don’t want to see the representative from the Twilight Zone
> in the House?
Darn Canadian. You just want an excuse to make fun of the U.S.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Oct 18 09:25:10 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Will the real Marduk please stand up?
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> The Criminal Giwer writes:
> On 17 Oct 1996 00:38:17 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > What worries me is that between the criminal Giwer’s forgeries and
> >Moran’s arithmetical problems, they will be asking for their own congressman at
> >the next redistricting.
> Criminal? Can you cite one, and in Uno, 1, one, conviction on these
> grounds?
You have criminally harassed me and my family. That is enough for me.
> Give it up, shithead, you are a typical, lying jew lawyer.
And you are a criminal.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: DAVID IRVING to tour Australia????
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> [email protected] (Rich Graves) writes:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > They must be very proud of the Freeman brothers.
> [A couple of NA members who killed their parents because they didn’t want
> them involved with neo-Nazis.]
> Is any documentation of this case available online?
I have seen none. If you have access to Westlaw the “Allentown
Morning Call” is archived there. There were two brothers and a cousin involved.
The brothers each pleaded guilty to one count of murder one and were sentenced
to life without parole. The cousin was convicted of one count of murder one and
received the same sentence. The death penalty was not requested.
In a pre-trial proceeding the videotaped confession of the brothers was
played. A recent decision of the trial court was that, since it was played at a
proceeding before jeopardy had attached, it was not a public document. That
decision has been appealed.
I have a collection of newspaper articles about the case. If you wish
copies, e-mail me.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: 18 Oct 1996 13:09:35 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Only a rather stupid person would be fooled by Giwer’s forgeries.
> > You were.
> Think so?
I am being charitable. The alternative is that you deliberately posted
forgeries.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Bomb in the Key of “D”, for DEAD
Date: 16 Oct 1996 03:18:43 GMT
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> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
> > Comment: It seems that Jewish children were exploited
> > for the needs of the Partisans as well. Very sad.
> And in the trenches around Fredericksburg were barefoot boys as young as
12.
> So the Confederate Army did it as well.
> Your point?
And please don’t forget the charge of the VMI cadets, but not only the
Confederate army enlisted children. In the Pennsylvania regiments of the
Continental Line (American Revolution) of the 1068 soldiers whose age was
listed at time of recruitment, the following numbers were recruited:
10 years of age: 4
11 years of age: 3
12 years of age: 10
13 years of age: 7
14 years of age: 12
Of those recorded 11% were under the age of 17
It seems George Washington had no qualms about “exploiting”
children in the cause of independence, either.
Source: “The Pennsylvania Line” John B.B. Trussell
–YFE
From [email protected] Sat Oct 19 10:44:35 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: “Anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism”
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> “Anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism”?
> Yup. This is one of the Jewish community’s many absurd proposals.
No. This is a rationalization by Jew hating bigots such as you who
are, at heart, somewhat ashamed of their bigotry.
Your attacksd on Jews have nothing to do with “Zionism” and you
know it.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sat Oct 19 10:44:36 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Declaration Of Deficiency
Date: 19 Oct 1996 00:38:19 GMT
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
>
> They who refuse to debate, oppose debate or stifle debate,
> declare they don’t have the will, the substance or the guts to meet
> the challenge. It is a sign of cowardice.
Apparently you are the coward.
> It is tacit declaration they know they would lose, that they
> don’t have faith in their position, that they know deep down inside or
> are consciously aware their own position rots.
So when will you agree to arbitration.
> This applies to any of those persons and groups that oppose free
> open discussion on the Holocaust.
Like T. Moran. Liar. Anti-Semite. Coward.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sat Oct 19 10:44:37 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: DAVID IRVING to tour Australia????
Date: 19 Oct 1996 04:23:49 GMT
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> Rich, why did you say the convicted Freeman brothers were NA members?
Becasue they were.
> Are deliberate lies what you resort to in order to smear people and
organizations which
> you hate?
The Freeman brothers were members of the National Alliance.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sat Oct 19 10:44:37 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: CHARGES
Date: 19 Oct 1996 00:36:19 GMT
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> What should one make of it if someone makes charges of
> anti-Semitism, neo-Nazism and/or racism and can’t or refuses to follow
> up with an argument for proof?
Which, in your case, has not happened. In case it has slipped your
memory, when you made a challenge that I prove that you are an anti-Semite and
a liar, I accepted. I agrred to present such proof before an impartial forum with a
few minor conditions. They were:
1. That the Federal Rules of Evidence be used.
2. That the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure related to discovery and
Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 52 be used.
3. That the loser to pay the cost of of the ADR (Alternate Dispute
Resolution) body and the cost of any transcription or videotaping.
I even suggested that the American Arbitration Association (the oldest
and most respected body doing ADR) be the forum and gave you the telephone
number of their Los Angeles office.
You lied about this several times, but you have never either agreed or
refused this offer.
So the real question is this:
What can you say about someone who hasn’t the courage of his
convictions to agree to an impartial arbritation.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sat Oct 19 10:44:38 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: blackmore the Sucker
Date: 19 Oct 1996 01:08:05 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Except that anybody with an ounce of sense recognized instantly that
> > this was a forgery by one of blackmore’s heroe’s Matt Giwer. blackmore
wants to
> > pretend that he can tell us who and what to believe.
> > Now we have a demonstration of his analytical ability.
> > Go back to school, little boy.
> Matt Giwer is my hero?
That’s what you told us. You stated it was a compliment to be
compared to him.
> Who is yours? Meyer Lansky?
At least he had class. Giwer has none.
A jerk who is taken in by a fraud and then hasn’t the sense to be mad
at the person who defrauded him, has none.
–YFE
>>>>
From [email protected] Sat Oct 19 10:44:39 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> > You responded to a forged post from Matt Giwer.
> >
> > While we’re on the topic, do you think Matt Giwer’s recent spate of
> > forgeries is conducive to open debate?
> Can’t you see we’re playing with you? Silly people.
Apparently you are admitting that you were involved in forging post. You
are very silly. You would be in much better shape by just admitting that you were
fooled.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sat Oct 19 10:44:39 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
Date: 19 Oct 1996 01:47:48 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > Brian Harmon <[email protected]> writes:
> > Well, ‘in your opinion’ Kramer did all he could to help
> > the inmates of Belsen, which included:
> > – refusing to give them water
> He didn’t refuse. There wasn’t any.
The British found it, didn’t they?
> > – refusing to give them food
> He didn’t refuse. there was none for him to give. he
> wasn’t Christ where he could feed thousands with loaves
> and fishes.
The British found it, didn’t they?
> > – refusing to give them medical attention
> They had plenty of doctors. Little or no supplies.
The “supplies” needed for control of typhus are common sense and
boiling water.
> > – forcing them to work without any of the above.
> Do you imagine all 60,000 inmates were made to work?
> The only work some of them were compelled to do was
> help bury putrifying corpses or cooking food.
You are fabricating again. You cannot say in one sentence that there
was no food and in the next that the inmates were cooking food.
> > Your opinions of how Kramer ‘helped’ the inmates are
> > interesting, to put the matter lightly.
>
> They are facts, whether interesting or otherwise.
They are lies you created to justify your hero worship.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
Date: 19 Oct 1996 01:56:33 GMT
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> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> On 17 Oct 1996 00:43:22 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> >> What really happened to the millions of Jews who lived in Poland before
> >> the WW2?
> > 90% were murdered.
> And which evidence does lawyer Edeiken have? Does he have the identity or
> the bodies of all those Jews that he claims were murdered? No the only thing
> that he has is the ravings of some German nazis.
And the fact that there are no more Jews in Poland.
> >The murderers were your nazi heroes. Does
> >that clear it up, nazi boy?
> I am not a nazi, and the German nazis are not my heroes. I am only
> interested in the Truth.
And the truth is that you are a nazi.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: DAVID IRVING to tour Australia????
Date: 19 Oct 1996 07:05:41 GMT
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > You. There is absolutely no question that they were members of the
> >NA.
> Wrong. They were not members of the NA. You are a lying sack of shit as usual.
That’s strange. They filed a motion with the Court of Common Pleas of
Lehigh County swearing, under oath, that they were.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: DAVID IRVING to tour Australia????
Date: 19 Oct 1996 01:21:42 GMT
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> >[A couple of NA members who killed their parents because they didn’t want
> >them involved with neo-Nazis.]
> >Is any documentation of this case available online?
> As it turns out, Rich, the “NA members who killed their parents” weren’t NA
members.
> Who lying now?
You. There is absolutely no question that they were members of the
NA.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> Look before you jump, nazi-boy. You have responded to a
> forgery. I didn’t post that.
And now that the rather obvious forgery of the criminal Giwer and the
cupidity of blackmore in accepting it at face value has been exposed, do you
want to bet that blackmore will not be mad at the criminal Giwer. He will be mad
at you.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
> > This is known as “the Ehrlich ploy,” after the first incarnation to
> > demonstrate its use. Blackmore/Bellinger is simply demonstrating the
> > strength of habitual behavior.
> 50 years of continuous, unremitting Holocaust
> propaganda gives you the edge, I think.
An even better edge is having the facts and the evidence on your side.
McVay has both. You have neither.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Worldnet: here’s a BIG raspberry..
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> [email protected] (Chris Lewis) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Ken McVay OBC <[email protected]> wrote:
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >[email protected] (Old Salt) wrote:
> >Complaint desks for continent-wide ISPs are, by their nature,
> >swamped with issues needing attention – it sometimes takes
> >weeks to see results from Netcom, for instance, but I have
> >_always_ received two things from them (at the very minimum):
> >
> >1. acknowledgement of my incoming complaint
> You’ve received acks from netcom? What makes you so special?
I have received them as well. It was, obviously, an automated process
as they appeared in my box within 30 minutes of the e-mailed complaint.
Of course, I had to work my way through their bureacracy (about 1
hour on the phone) until I received something more than the automated response.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: WorldNet: forged vertical spam in alt.revisionismm
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> [email protected] (Old Salt) writes:
> On 17 Oct 1996 01:55:57 -0700, [email protected] (Rich Graves)
> gave us his/her 2 cents:
> >List of Message-IDs follows.
> >Matt Giwer <[email protected]> has posted at least 125 articles to
> >alt.revisionism in recent days, most of them forged. In my opinion,
> >”content-free forged message with the stated purpose of making the
> >newsgroup unusable” qualifies as “substantially similar content,” but I
> >have issued no cancels myself. In my opinion, immediate and ongoing
> >cancellation of all articles in alt.revisionism with NNTP-Posting-Host
> >matching /tampa.*att.net/ is warranted, but given that I approach this
> >subject with certain biases, having been repeatedly libeled and threatened
> >by Mr. Giwer, I will not implement such a solution myself.
> This will be taken care of!
Sure. Just as soon as ATT figures out where to on-off switch is . . . .
–YFE
From [email protected] Sat Oct 19 16:36:00 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: DAVID IRVING to tour Australia????
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> >[email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> That’s strange. They filed a motion with the Court of Common Pleas of
> >>Lehigh County swearing, under oath, that they were.
> >They were not NA members nor have they ever been you lying scum-sucking
dirtbag. You are
> >bluffing sack of shit, a Jew AND a lawyer, the worst of the worst.
> There you go, Yale. Straight from an NA member! Now what do you say to that,
eh?
When the Freeman brothers filed their motion before the Court of
Common Pleas of Lehigh County stating under oath that they were members of the
National Alliance, the District Attorney of Lehigh County not only agreed with that
allegation but stated that he intended to use that fact in evidence against them at
trial.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sun Oct 20 09:44:16 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] writes:
> I don’t know why you wasted your time or mine with this lame attempt to
> defend a proven LIAR. Let me address your “salient” points….
Hardly “lame.” He demolished you.
> was to direct attention to the fact that she must have been a very strange type
of physician,
> who apparently could not differentiate between a male or a female. The
comment was
> used sarcastically.
After you lied about her testimony.
> I don’t find it relevant to her lies.
There were no lies.
There is one liar here. It is blackmore.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: DAVID IRVING to tour Australia????
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > You. There is absolutely no question that they were members of the
> >NA.
> Wrong. They were not members of the NA. You are a lying sack of shit as usual.
That’s strange. They filed a motion with the Court of Common Pleas of
Lehigh County swearing, under oath, that they were.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sun Oct 20 09:44:17 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: learning
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> I know the most embarrassing part of my holocaust is the complete and total
> lack of physical evidence. I know it all rests upon self contradictory
> witnesses.
>
> But let me stress that I will lie, cheat and steal to promote this
> holocaust as if it goes away, I do not have a life.
A copy of this forgery has been sent to [email protected].
–YFE
From [email protected] Sun Oct 20 14:57:13 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More Wayout Claims From Moran
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> [email protected] (tom moran) makes an idiot of himself again:
In the midst of one of his usual anti-Semitic diatribes Moran annouces:
> Anyway, on to the way out population claim, the kind of stuff you
> won’t see any Catholic ever blurting out.
Since Moran is a Catholic, let us see what he is complaining about:
> The rabbi, “Rabbi Schulwies noted that a modern Jewish historian,
> Salo Baron, estimated that the number of Jews grew [through
> proselytizing] from 150,000 in 586 B.C. to 8 million in the 1st
> Century A.D., and that the Gospel of Matthew expressed early Christian
> hostility …”
Which seems to be about the number most historians of the period agree
upon. Michael Grant, one of the most widely read historians of that period, states in
“The Jews in the Roman World” (1973): “Numerically taken over the whole earth
they [the Jews] were fewer in those days than they are now — perhaps eight million
as against fourteen million today. But no less than seven of these eight million were
in the Roman empire where they constituted between six and nine per cent of the
population — in the eastern provinces, the percentage was perhaps as high as
twenty.” (page vii)
> “8 million”? His first impulse was probably to make it 80
> million, but even a Jew knows that incredible claims can be way too
> incredible.
Since that estimate — which Moran finds “incredible” — is the one
accepted by historians, it is obvious that the one who “blurted” out a silly claim was
Moran.
The reason that Moran made such a silly claim is also obvious. Moran —
is a liar and an anti-Semite.
> Would this Jewish historian be able to substantiate even 10% of
> his 8 million claim with recognized scientific methods, or would he
> have to muster up an righteous dose of chutzpa?
It would be simple for him to do so. All he would have to do is open a
book.
> “8 million” would be a substantial number in those days and would
> have created a certain documentable existence.
Which historians have no trouble in finding. But since Moran seems to
be allergic to libraries, he cannot.
And so, Moran is once more proven to be an idiot.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Add Yale Edeiken to the Discovery Channel
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> [email protected] writes:
> Apparently what’s wrong with you is worse than what is wrong
> with me. Fool, my point was, how many of the 4,000,000 given
> by the Polish Commission referred to non-Jews specifically?
Learn something, little boy. You wer caught in a lie. Now you are
trying to squirm out of it. The position of the Polish government was never to
mention the word “Jew.” The “Jewish” exhibit at Auschwitz was opened only
for Jewish and American tourists.
> If
> you break it down, you will see that the OVERWHELMING majority
> of these faked figures were still claimed to be Jews.
Prove it. Give us the Polish representations of this.
> Also, here is the figure given by the Jewish author Nathan Ausubel
> in his widely disseminated book, “The Pictorial History of the Jewish people”
> which went through more than 11 editions and repeated the same
> lie over and over again:
You have found a single source making that statement. The fact is
the the most widely read books and references including the Encyclopedia
Judiaca and “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” do not state that number.
> BTW, I win so many victories on alt.revisionism that I have no
> need to “crow” about it. It is only dyed in the wool fanatics like
> yourself who refuse to budge an inch, even when your nose is
> shoved in the truth.
You are deluding yourself.
Now answer the real question: were you involved in the forgeries . .
.or were you just blowing hot air when you implied you were?
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:03:12 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > I am being charitable. The alternative is that you deliberately posted
> > forgeries.
> Like you?
No I have never forged anybody’s name to a post.
Now answer the question: were you involved.
Any response but a direct answer will be taken as a positive response.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > No I have never forged anybody’s name to a post.
> > Now answer the question: were you involved.
> > Any response but a direct answer will be taken as a positive
response.
> Take it however you like, you always do.
Any way you want it, little boy. A complaint about your forgery to
your ISP will shortly be filed.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 10:11:35 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Infobahnos.com user needs your help!
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> [email protected] (Judith Toth) writes:
> [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>
> >To the support desk, infobahnos.com:
> TOTH ANSWERS: <<< It seems that when the Lord was distributing
> paranoia Mr. McVay returned at least twice for handouts.
> McVay tells us: he wouldn’t contact an ISP about this sort of thing
> but did it anyway. He just couldn’t resist such golden occasion!
> – he thought. Eventhough I never accused anyone or any company by
> name for deleting my articles! My simple little question caused more
> uproar than any Holocaust-denial! WHY? Did I step on some sensitive
> toes?
> I just fail to see how I am casting “bad light” on my server with
> asking a simple question. Explain please!!! “Unwarranted attacks upon
> the company ” [that is my server]? How? What does my server have to
> do with all this?
> I simply asked a question: “Who deletes my postings?” – but the
> reaction to this was literally breath-taking.
Are you really as stupid as your appear or just doing a good imitation?
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 23:09:05 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > They are lies you created to justify your hero worship.
> Yale, no one even takes you seriously any more….you
> are the man who advised to give the inmates water from
> cisterns which had rotting corpses and turds floating in
> it……
Liar. I stated there was potable water available which Kramer did not bother
to supply to the prisoners in his charge. That is fact. The other stuff is the fabrication of
you and the criminal Giwer — your co-conspirator in the forging of posts.
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 22 07:41:26 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Matt Giwer of Florida is a Nazi Sympathizer; give him a ring and
tell him!
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> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
> 3. If “they” is the Federal Government, why can’t the avergae person read
> the Congressional Record? I certainly can.
> Sara
You have a very strong stomach and, in all probability, an addiction to
No-Doze. Seek help.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> >> Based on authoritative documentation like someone’s alleged after-
> >> diner speech at a Rotary Club.
> >It wasn’t alleged, and the Judge repeated these comments at
> >many other public funtions.
> It certainly was alleged, on this newsgroup at least. You’re
> alleging it right now.
Not only that. It was claimed that his remarks were taken down
“verbatim.” When a source was requested, blackmore informed us to to look it
up in the newspaper. He neglected — for obvious reasons — to even bother to
name the newspaper. The only surviving newspaper in Philadelphia from that era
is the “Inquirer.” The other two major papers were the “Public Ledger” and the
“Bulletin.” I checked with the morgue of the “Inquirer.” They have no record of
a verbatim report of Leroy’s remarks. I also checked with a retired editor of that
paper who was a reporter in that era. He stated that it would have been most
unusual to send a reporter out for a speech like that. He speculated that if the
Inky carried the story, it was a brief note based on a press release. He suggested
that if there was a newspaper report, it would have appeared in one of the
suburban papers; his specific suggestion was a weekly the “Delaware County
Times” which was the largest circulation paper in that area. A check with the
Free Library of Philadelphia indicated that they have no archive copies of that
paper.
More when I get a free day to travel to Philadelphia.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> > You¹ve posted nothing which has not already been soundly refuted.
> Daydream believer…….
Realist.
–YFE
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Subject: A Short Sharp Lesson for blackmore
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balckmore — the king of the “I want proof” deniers wrote that the
defendants in teh Malmedy court petitioned the U.S. Supreme Court for relief but:
“The Supreme Court refused his petition, saying it lacked jurisdiction over the
acts committed by the United States in Germany, a statement which means that
the United States Military Government is above the law, and the ‘sovereignity’
we claim in Germany is that of a lawless despot.” In response C. Powers asked
him for a citation to the case. blackmore refused, telling him to look it up himself.
That is impossible. There is no such opinion and blackmore has been
caught — again — distorting a source beyond all recognition.
To understand what happened a little knowledge of the technical side
of legal research is important. There are several parts to any case decided by
the Supreme Court (or any other). One part is the “decision:” a short — frequently
only a couple of words — statement of what the court has decided. No reason
for a “decision” are contained in the statement of decision. Those are found in
another part of the case, the “opinion:” a statement of the reasons why the court
decided the way it did. This is quite important in researching Supreme Court
cases. There are various search tools for finding a case by content when an
opinion has been rendered. Cases where there has just been a “decision” are
contained on tables and the name of the case or an accurate legal citation to a
court below are required. There was no opinion written in the “petition” filed by
the Malmedy defendants. The Supreme Court never stated its reasons for
refusing to hear the “petition.” Thus, the statement by blackmore as to the
reasons why the Supreme Court refused the petition are a fabrication.
Moreover, the reasons he cites are in direct conflict with the actual
published opinions of the Supreme Court. In Hirota v. MacArthur 338 U.S. 197
(1948) one of the defendants in the Japanese war crimes trials filed a Habeus
Corpus Petition (presumably what was filed in the Malmedy case, as this would
be the proper technical form of the “petition” Everett filed) to bring issues before
the Court similar to those of the Dachau cases. This petition was denied —
with opinion — on the grounds that the Supreme Court did not have ORIGINAL
jurisdiction. This is, apaprently, what happened in the Malmedy petition.
Again, some knowledge of the technical aspect of the law is required.
“Original jurisdiction” is as different from “jurisdiction” as — thank you Mr.
Clemens — “lightening” is from a “lightening bug.” “Original jurisdiction” refers to
power of a court to hear cases first filed in that forum. A trial court is a court of
“original jurisdiction;” an appellate court like the Supreme Court is not. There
are a few circumstances defined by the Constitution where the U.S. Supreme
Court has “original jurisdiction.” They are quite rare. One, being tried right now,
is the dispute between New York and New Jersey over the ownership of the
Statue of Liberty. Thus the Supreme Court was quite correct in ruling that they
had no “original jurisdiction.”
This does not have the meaning that blackmore place on it, however.
As Douglas noted in his concurring opinion in Hirota (found at 38 U.S. 199, 69
S.Ct. 1238), the court that has “original jurisdiction” is the U.S. District Court for
Washington, D.C. In fact jurisdiction was accepted and the case heard on just
such a habeus corpus petition of another German accused of war crimes in
Eisentrager v. Forrestal 174 F.2d 961 (D.C. Cir.; 1949)
In short, blackmore’s contention that the Supreme Court’s refusal to
hear the Malmedy petition places the military government in Germany “above the
law” is nonsense based either upon his legal ignorance or his willful distortion of
the law.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Moran Admits He Is a Coward
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (tom
moran) unleashed his usual meaningless bombast:
> >> They who refuse to debate, oppose debate or stifle debate,
> >> declare they don’t have the will, the substance or the guts to meet
> >> the challenge. It is a sign of cowardice.
To which Sara Schwartz noted:
> >But since all that comes from you is hate-filled, stereotypical racism,
> >there’s nothing WORTH debating.
Then T. Moran disclosed who he was talking about;
> Who said anything about debating with you? I don’t care what you
> say, and I’m not concerned with convincing you of anything. You are
> insignificant.
In other words, Moran admits that he does not possess “the will, the
substance or the guts to meet the challenge.” By his own standards, he is a
coward.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another blackmore Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >Hmmmm. Not at all, the SS themselves executed Goeth, Koch, and
> >other camp commanders who abused the prisoners under their
> >charge. Rascher was also executed by the SS.
> The SS trying and then executing their own soldiers for mistreating Jews?
Why, that
> would have hardly been necessary if the Nazi goal was to KILL them all. The
man would
> have been awarded a Nazi medal instead of being executed!
The blind leading the blind.
Koch was arrested and tried for stealing 200,000 marks (his salary at
the time was 960 marks/month) after an extended investigation. During his trial
his was also accused of killing three prisoners — two from Buchenwald and one
>from Lubin — who knew of his thefts and were prepared to testify against him.
Goeth was also arrested in the same probe for theft. The war ended
before he could be tried. He was captured by U.S. soldiers and turned over to
the Poles. They tried him and hung him.
Did blackmore know this when he wrote the demonstrably inaccurate
statement with which Stele so readily agreed? The information is included in
“Soldiers of Evil” (Ton Segev, 1987). blackmore has previously stated that he
has read this book.
Draw your own conclusions.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> > >Can’t you see we’re playing with you? Silly people.
> > Pardon me? Are you saying that you were a party to forging my name and
> > userid on posts to alt.revisionism?
> Think whatever you like-you do anyway. Paranoid kook.
It is hardly paranoid. He, like many of us, was a victim of a crime in
which you now claim participation.
> Fact is, I have NO ties to Mr. Giwer at all, nor do I care
> what he does. That is your problem.
Were you lying when you stated “we’re palying with you” or are you
lying now?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
>
> # Nope! There existed certain SS officers who were
> # executed SOLEY on the basis of mistreating Jewish
> # inmates alone.
> Name them. All those given by “rblackmore” were executed for
> other reasons. One of them, Goeth, which “rblackmore” claimed
> was executed by the SS, was actually tried and executed by
> the Poles after the war.
I would not be surprised if there were not a few disciplined for
maltreating inmates; I would be very surprised if the victims were Jews. I think
that we are looking at the “revisionist” bait and switch that Baron has pulled a
couple of times. There were many inmates at concentration camps that were not
of the groups for which murder was intended — political prisoners and common
criminals. Especially in the early years of the concentration camps there was an
effort to “re-educate” these type of prisoners and it could be expected that these
prisoners were treated less brutally.
Segev, in “Soldiers of Evil,” argues that one of the reasons that the
Death’s Head soldiers were as brutal as they were when the KZ became large
killing and slave labor factories, was that they gradually became inured to an
increasing level of brutality over the years.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
> I would be interested in any information on this deposition Nyiszli gave,
> like where can I find a citation, and what happened to him after the war.
> He did exist (I’ve found proof) but this apparently so important witness
> literally disappeared into thin air.
In “The Nazi Doctors” Lifton cites the deposition as having been given
on 28 July 1945 before the Budapest Commission for the Welfare of Deported
Hungarian Jews. I presume that it is not in English although Lifton quoted from it.
Lifton teaches at the John Jay College i9n New York City. You might consider
contacting him directly.
–YFE
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Subject: Another “Revisionist” Position Shot Down in Flames
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Several of the local “revisionists” have claimed that the U.S.
government has “financed” the U.S. Holocaust Museum in Washington and, in
support of this contention, cite 34 U.S.C. 1401. Apparently none of them have
bothered to read the law to which they refer. Title 34 authorizes a number of
organizations of national interest. Among others are the National Ski Patrol, the
Grand Army of the Republic, the Boy Scouts, the Girl Scouts, the National
Federation of Music Clubs, the Future Farmers of America, the Agricultural Hall of
Fame, the Little League, and the Daughters of the American Revolution.
Chapter 46, authorizes the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council as “an
independent Federal establishment.” (section 1401) It is authorized, inter alia, to
assist in the building of the museum but neither finances or operates it. Section
1408 provides that “none of the funds authorized herein may be available for
construction.” Aside from the operation of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council,
the only appropriated funds that can be used by the Museum are for
the purchase of insurance required by section 1406 (e)
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
>
> Mr. Edeikin, whose very profession produces contempt in most people.
> Not quite. I have replied to Mr. Edeikin’s disinformation.
With, it should be noted, a pack of outright lies.
> You choose odd bed-fellows, Mr. Power. Instead of
> seeking after truth you choose to pursue lies and
> distortions. However, this is all you have, and you
> must live with your lies if you make the choice to
> propagate them.
Coming from a person who was just caught is an outright lie.
At this point you are fooling no-one except yourself.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] having been caught in a lie tries to cover up with a few
more:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> >
> That is impossible. There is no such opinion and blackmore has been
> > caught — again — distorting a source beyond all recognition.
> > In short, blackmore’s contention that the Supreme Court’s refusal to
> > hear the Malmedy petition places the military government in Germany
“above the
> > law” is nonsense based either upon his legal ignorance or his willful
distortion of
> > the law.
> In fact, there was no “law”.
> All these technicalities of which Mr. Edeikin writes are simply
> another ploy to divert the reader’s attention away from the facts.
The facts in thios case is that blackmore announced that there was a
Supreme Court decision which stated that U.S. courts have no jurisdiction over
the war crimes trials. When asked for a citation, he refused to give it. When
researched it turned out that there was no such opinion.
> It is a rather obvious ploy which Mr. Edeikin uses over and over
> again. No one is being fooled by it. Mr. Edeikin is a lawyer after
> all, but a lawyer with an axe to grind. The facts are exactly as I
> quoted them.
But blackmore will still not prodcue that decision.
> The legal precedent for these trials were set at Nuremberg,
> where in the original charter, Paragraph VII of Ordinance No. 7, we find:
>
> “The Tribunals shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. They
> shall adopt and apply to the greatest extent expeditious and non-technical
> procedure, and shall admit any evidence which they deem to have
> probative value.
Which is irrelevant. The Dachau trials were not conducted under the
Nuremberg Charter but U.S. military law. The old “revisionist” bait and switch.
> So, here is the precedent in a nutshell: The tribunals shall NOT be
> bound by “technical rules of evidence”…..Of course not, otherwise
> the accused might have received a fair trial, especially when an
> accusation must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
blackmore again shows his ignorance of law. He should take note of
the following points.
1. This provision set the rules of evidence for a tribunal presided over
by judges from four different countries with four quite different rules of evidence.
Some ground rules had to be applied.
2. That a criminal charge must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt,
is not a rule of evidence. Nor was it recognized under German, French, or
Russian law.
3. The rules actually adopted included such provisions as allowing the
defendants to make unsworn statements that were not subject to
cross-examination. Perhaps blackmore will demonstrate how unfair that is or
name a few Anglo-American jurisdictions which permit this procedure.
> Indeed, the accused were allowed the “right” to question the authenticity
> of the “documents” but the final decision rested with the victors.
No, the final decision lay with the tribunal. It alwasy does.
> Note further:
> “The Judges were also given the right to be informed beforehand
> of any evidence to be presented by the defense, and could refuse to
> allow it if they did not consider it “relevant”.
> How convenient for the prosecution!
The standard procedure in any American court-room, civil or criminal.
Even in jurisdictions which limit discovery in criminal cases, an offer of proof can
be demanded. Every court that I have ever appeared in permits an objection for
lack of relevance.
> Dr. Kranzbuehler, attorney for the Krupp family, availed himself of the
> rare opportunity to protest such measures. He said:
> “These defendants have no constitutional rights. It has been
> confirmed again and again to them that the guarantees given
> in American procedure are not applicable to them…..”
> On February 27, 1948, Kranzbuehler sent a telegram to President
> Truman saying that “all endeavors to secure a fair trial” had been
> frustrated “on account of rules originating from American military
> authorities,” and appealing to the President of the United States
> for “help and relief.” His appeal was not answered.
Nor should it have been. Note, as well, the ususal “revisionist” trick.
A lawyer for the nazis says so. Therefore it must be true.
> These are the real facts concerning Nuremberg.
Your statement did not refer to Nuremberg, it referrred to trials held
under U.S. law.
> Mr. Edeikin’s
> “Dirty Dancing” fools no one who has access to the whole truth,
> something he seeks to conceal and distort on a more or less
> continual basis. My question is “why”?
blackmore, fresh from admitting to being an accomplice is forging
posts now tries to obsfuscate his dishonesty. blackmore claimed that there is a
an opinion from the U.S. Supreme Court stating that they had no jurisdiction over
trials held pursuant to U.S. law at Dachau. He refused to produce the opinion
and told others to do their own research. It was done. Not only was there no
such opinion ever written but the point he made was flatly contradicted by
another opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court (Hirota v. MacArthur 338 U.S. 197)
which explains the proper procedure and the fact that another defendant at
those trials was allowed to appeal to U.S. courts (Eisentrager v. Forrestal 174
F.2d 961). Any competent researcher could find those opinions at any county
law library.
blackmore resorts, as seems to be his habit, to calling names and
throwing out red herrings.
To prove his contentions would be very simple. All he has to do is
produce the opinion of the Supreme Court to which he claims he referred. He
does not. He cannot.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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> Hardwire <[email protected]> writes:
> Your ignorance at the situation is overwhelming. I am not now, nor have
> I ever been, of any relation to Matthias Giwer.
Sure, Matty poo. That’s why you’re posting uder your real name.
> However, I happen to
> know of the man’s plight.
Sure. Nobody likes poor Matty poo. He should be allowed to mailbomb
those who he disagrees with, criminally harrass others, make death threats when he
feels like it, and forge posts whenever he feels like it. Rules don’t apply to Matty
poo.
> I also know of his persecutors.
Do you alos know the outraged victims of his criminal activities.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: CSIS mole living in style
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> [email protected] (Orest Slepokura) writes:
>
> The Calgary Sun, Wednesday, October 23, 1996 NEWS 19
>
> CSIS mole living in style
>
> EDMONTON (Special) – Grant Bristow, a former Canadian Security
> Intelligence Service mole, has slipped back into his posh $200,000 home in
> St. Albert, the *Sun* has learned.
WOW! A guy moves back into his own house!
How dare this man actually live in his own house when hundrens of
needy NA members have to content themselves with flat rocks?
One can only wonder how western civilization can survive this
outrage!
–YFE
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> [email protected] (BRS 1478) writes:
> The Constitution wasn’t written to demand allegiance to ITSELF, as in the
> fetishitic worship of an inanimate object. It was written ONLY as a
> MEANS to preserve and further the EUROPEAN AMERICANS who wrote it. It
> wasn’t written to confer citizenship to Blacks living in America. Had the
> Founding Fathers thought it would be so used, they would be prevented its
> issuance. They obviously didn’t favor that. They didn’t WANT that.
> They OPPOSED that.
Jefferson did not oppose it. He signed, as governor of Viginia, a law
granting freedom and citizenship to any black man who enlisted in the Continental
army.
> The Constitution was written in trust that later generations would adhere
> to its original meaning — to preserve and protect the people who wrote
> it: European Americans. George Washington and Jefferson weren’t in the
> LEAST bit ashamed of that fact
Nor was Washington ashamed of being commander of a racially
integrated army. As many as 10% of his soldiers were black.
> If Thomas Jefferson was alive, and found out the Constitution which those
> great men wrote was now being used to justify and mandate multiracialism,
> do you know what he’d do?
He would cheer. Read his original draft of the Decalaration of
Independence.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Verbosity was never a strong point with Marduk I guess.
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> Hardwire <[email protected]> writes:
> >BWAHAHAHAHHA fuck you, you fat-assed nazi pig
> This kind reply was not POSTED to the newsgroups at all, but sent as
> personal E-mail directly to me. I felt that it was appropriate to show
> you all to exactly what depths people sink, and exactly what type of
> mentality thrives on groups such as this.. sort of like the ramora on
> the shark wouldn’t you say?
Let us not forget that paradigm of civility that you mailed to me and my
family Matty poo:
“I am tired of your shit. Fuck off.”
Maybe somone was just speaking to you in a language you can
understand.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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> Hardwire <[email protected]> writes:
> What good would it do? E-mail is not admissable as evidence in ANY
> sense. Anything can be forged, especially something as simple as
> electronic mail. Anyone with adequate knowledge of how to run an IP
> spoofer can send mail that will appear for all practical purposes to come
> from the [email protected] if they wish.
Like you tried to do, Matty poo.
> Another thing I find HIGHLY amusing. The newsgroups (and Email I will
> add), is kind of like television, if you don’t like the “flavour” of what
> you’re watching all you need do is to turn the channel. Yet it still
> seems that fingers so adept at working the remote without sight can fail
> so miserably to function when it comes time to “turn the channel”.
It’s hard to “turn the channel” Matty poo when you attempt to disrupt
someone’s service with a mailbomb.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> I have never endorsed cancellation of the right to vote, to form political
> parties and the freedom of speech. How can you say that I am in favour of
> dictatorship?
Except, of course, for those whose face color does not meet your fancy.
> You seem to be ignorant of what nazism really is. To you the term “nazi”
> is reduced to an invective that you fling in the teeth of those with whom
> you disagree.
No, just nazi wannabes ike you.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Short Sharp Lesson for blackmore
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > > That is impossible. There is no such opinion and blackmore has been
> > > > caught — again — distorting a source beyond all recognition.
> Nonsense, of course.
blackmore says “nonsense.” He does not, of course, tell us where to find
this opinion of which the U.S. Reports has never been notified.
> > Nor should it have been. Note, as well, the ususal “revisionist” trick.
> > A lawyer for the nazis says so. Therefore it must be true.
> Of course if Mr. Edeikin had his way, the Nazis would have
> received no representation whatsoever. As it turns out, it did
> them little good anyway, as their sentences had already been
> predetermined before the trials ever began.
blackmore says so. Can he present some evidence for this? No. The
deliberations of the Nuremberg tribunal are well-documented. They document that
blackmore is lying.
> > blackmore, fresh from admitting to being an accomplice is forging
> > posts now tries to obsfuscate his dishonesty.
> I never admitted any such thing. You are a paranoid fool
> who has no answer to argument save duplicity.
You states so. When asked to clarify your statement, you refused.
> blackmore claimed that there is a
> > an opinion from the U.S. Supreme Court stating that they had no jurisdiction over
> > trials held pursuant to U.S. law at Dachau.
> I offered a quote and the quote was quoted correctly. Aside from
> that, it is the truth-something which seems to upset Mr. Edeikin.
A quote from who? Not the SUpreme Court of the U.S. They never made
such a statement.
> but the point he made was flatly contradicted by
> > another opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court (Hirota v. MacArthur 338 U.S. 197)
> > which explains the proper procedure and the fact that another defendant at
> > those trials was allowed to appeal to U.S. courts (Eisentrager v. Forrestal 174
> > F.2d 961). Any competent researcher could find those opinions at any county
> > law library.
> Another distortion and a lie.
Sure, forger. That’s why you cannot produce the opinion.
> > To prove his contentions would be very simple. All he has to do is
> > produce the opinion of the Supreme Court to which he claims he referred. He
> > does not. He cannot.
> The Supreme Court refused to hear the case-comprende?
Yes. it is apparently you who does not. You stated they refused to hear the
case on the grounds that they had no jurisdiction to hear cases about U.S. military
tribunals in Germany. They made no such statement.
> where in the original charter, Paragraph VII of Ordinance No. 7, we find:
> “The Tribunals shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. They
> shall adopt and apply to the greatest extent expeditious and non-technical
> procedure, and shall admit any evidence which they deem to have probative
value.
> Which is irrelevant. The Dachau trials were not conducted under the
> Nuremberg Charter but U.S. military law. The old “revisionist” bait and switch.
> No one is being fooled by your duplicity here, Mr. Edeikin.
> The low standards set at Nuremberg were valid for all
> subsequent trials of accused Germans.
Again. The Nuremberg Tribunal — as explained in the part of the post you
edited — was a unique multi-national tribunal which had to set the rules and
procedures they would use. The “technical rules of evidence” were radically different
in all four countries that sat on the tribunal and all four were radically different from the
country from which the defendants’ counsel were trained. The later trials — which
were conducted differently — did not use the Nuremberg charter. The Dachua trials —
those under discussion — used U.S. military law.
Why the herringmeister tries to hide this, is obvious.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:02:14 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Add Yale Edeiken to the Discovery Channel
Date: 25 Oct 1996 13:18:13 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> Learn something, little boy. You wer caught in a lie
> No, Mr. E., unlike you, I do not lie.
You cliamed there were stomn pillars that referred to 4,000,000 “Jews”
that were “gassed” at Auschwitz.
While that might have been a mistake you addition was not. You
claimed that the photographs of those pillars was in front of you as you wrote.
That was an outright lie.
> . Now you are
> trying to squirm out of it.
> There is nothing to squirm out of. You defend the lie, I deny it.
No. You have been cought several times in outright lies. zYour defense
seems to be repeated smoke screens, ad hominem attacks, and out right lies.
> No, I wasn’t involved in forgeries. What are you talking about anyway?
> Giwers Moshe Posts? I have better things to do with my time.
A typical blackmore response. Now try my question. Over 100 posts
were forged with the names of various people including but not limited to (besides
myself) McVay, Gandhi, Keren, Morris, and Morrison. When someone protested
this obviously improper act your response was: “WE were just playing with you.”
(emphasis added). You were asked to clarify that statement. You refused to
respond. Now you are pretending that you don’t know what posts YOU
referenced.
A rather shoddy and dishonest performance.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:02:14 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: 25 Oct 1996 13:22:08 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> What you call a lie was simply human error due to the fact
> that I was relying upon memory until I found the source with
> the inscription.
Although at the time you were “relying” on your memory, you were
claiming as well that the source was in front of you.
> At any rate, I was not off base, as I have
> already explained under another post.
Your explanation was dishonest and inaccurate.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:02:15 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] writes:
> From what I read Goeth was arrested by the SS. Perhaps
> the source was in error.
It wasn’t; your assumption based on the fact of his arrest was in error.
He was never tried or sentenced by the SS. All of this is described in Segev’s
book — which you claim to have read.
> If so, please provide another source
> for this. Grabner and others in the political department at Auschwitz
> were also under arrest or about to be arrested, and Hoess was
> under investigation as well.
For financial crimes. Why do you omit this rather important fact?.
> Also, in my recent post, Papa Eiche
> speaks I have another reference.
Eike was long daed when Morgen’s investigations occurred.
> And of course there was Koch
> and members of his staff.
Arrested for stealing, not murder. Especially not the murder of Jews.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars…
Date: 25 Oct 1996 04:51:42 GMT
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> [email protected] (Ceacaa) writes:
> As a comparison the cost of guarding and
> feeding one prisoner in the US Federal system
> is approximately $25,000 per year. Chain gangs
> and prision labor have never paid its way.
You are incorrect. The practice of “leasing” prisoners to private businesses
was common in the south. It was very profitable both for the business and the
government (and frequently most profitable for corrupt government officials). That is
very analogous to the situation later in war when the camps were being run to support
various SS and private enterprises.
> No. The obvious thing to do would be to seperate the
> workers from the non-workers at the “collection site”.
> Only transport the workers across Europe.
Which, with the exception of Jews who were slated for extermination, was
exactly what the SS did.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:56 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Malady with Malmedy
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> [email protected] writes:
> Shirer is a far cry from an unnbiased historian. What I
> posted is the result of the latest research. The facts
> of this case are somewhat different from the old war
> propaganda Shirer reguritates for the masses.
Crap. The facts are that your nazi heroes lined up disarmed prisoners and
machined-gunned them to death. When they had finished they went over the their
victims and finished off the wounded. Only a few survived.
This was the standard procedure for this rather brutal SS unit.
You really *do* beleive all the lies the apologists for the nazis feed you, don’t
you?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Hoess Testimony BITES THE DUST!!!!
Date: 25 Oct 1996 14:29:48 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> > You guys are desperate.
> Is that what you think?
Yup. Want some proof, read the following:
> We aren’t desperate at all. Hoess’s
> testimony is worthless. It is trash no matter where or when
> he gave it. It is useless as a source of confirmation for
> your version of the Holocaust.
Someday you’ll stop goose-stepping and join the real world.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 15:53:20 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: blackmore: a Forger?
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Any way you want it, little boy. A complaint about your forgery to
> > your ISP will shortly be filed.
> >>>You better be able to prove I sent a forgery before
> you make an ass out of yourself, which seems to be a habit
> of yours….rather chronic I would say.
I complained after your statement implying that you were involved and
refused to answer directly.
Th ass here is you. First you were fooled by the forgeries. Then, to
cover your stupidity, you claimed you were involved. Finally it is damn clear that
you approved of them.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sat Oct 26 11:07:34 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Behold the lie
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> [email protected] writes:
> I have read the tales, and I do not find them credible without
> proof. Not everyone can believe as a matter of faith.
Unfortunately your credentials for rating credibility are hardly
untarnished. Only two people bought the criminal Giwer’s blatent forgeries. YOu
were one.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sat Oct 26 11:07:35 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Behold the lie
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> > No it isn’t. It is exceedingly easy to prove. If you knew anything about
> > either Auschwitz, the method of killing or history, you would know how easy it
> > is to prove. But that assumes you _want_ the truth and are not just another
> > denier fraud.
> I have the tales, and I do not find them credible without
> proof. Not everyone can believe as a matter of faith.
On the other hand, blackmore accepts at face value the hearsay reports of
a proven liar, Leroy (“the Mace”) van Roden.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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> Hardwire <[email protected]> writes:
>
> The point remains however, that it’s quite absurd to be kicked from 4
> different ISP’s for mailbombing wouldn’t you agree? As for Email
> “forgeing”, I really wouldn’t consider changing your identity lines in any
> mailer “forgeing”, in fact I’ve done it on a number of occasions where I
> felt that I did not want to receive follow ups to my posts from the
> vermin out there on the net. I have enough in my inbox as it is.
But that is not what the criminal Giwer did. He used the names and
e-mail addresses of real people and wrote so as to represent that the writings
were of those whose headers he had forged.
> However, the mailbomb issue I’ll stand in agreement with you on, as it
> pertains to discontinuance of service. But think about this for a
> moment… Would you keep mail-bombing people even AFTER you’d been
kicked
> from one ISP, no less FOUR? It just doesn’t make sense, and I don’t buy it.
I did not realize that he had been banned from four ISPS. I know of
only two netcon and worldnet, who banned him after complaints of mailbombs.
> Even if Giwer mail-bombed ONCE, he would be smart enough not to do it
> again, and again, etc.. It smells more to me like someone who has the
> power, or the access, is trying to make his life miserable, and if they
> have that kind of power, who’s to say that the person(s) in question
> didn’t forge posts in his name as well?
There are a variety of possible explanations for the criminal Giwer’s
behavior. Among them:
1. He is irrational
2. He is setting himself up as a martyr
3. He did it in a drunken rage
4. He beleives that the rules do not apply to him
5. He is proud of the number of providers that have banned him
etc.
You also seem to forget that the criminal Giwer has a history of being
banned from BBSs for offensive activities.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Malady with Malmedy
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Crap. The facts are that your nazi heroes lined up disarmed prisoners
and
> > machined-gunned them to death. When they had finished they went over
the their
> > victims and finished off the wounded. Only a few survived.
> > This was the standard procedure for this rather brutal SS unit.
> > You really *do* beleive all the lies the apologists for the nazis feed you,
don’t
> > you?
> I don’t know why I even bother with you but
> I will refer you to the latest book on this subject
> which contradicts everything you write-and no,
> it is noot a revisionist publication.
Odd that you don’t name it. Did you find it in the same library where
you read the opinion from the Supreme Court denying they had jurisdiction over
the Dachau trials.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: blackmore: a Forger?
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Th ass here is you. First you were fooled by the forgeries. Then, to
> > cover your stupidity, you claimed you were involved. Finally it is damn clear that
> > you approved of them.
> The ass here is you-as well as a harbinger of falsehoods and
> base accusations, which seems to be in line with your usual
> methods of operation. You are a sad individual after all, and as
> of this day, my communication with you ceases, until you apologize.
Sorry, little boy. You were the one who chose to cover his stupidity with a
lie. To be blunt about it, it was you — not I — who claimed you were involved in the
forgeries. It was you — not I — who refused to answer directly. Further you republished
those forgeries as if they were accurate. Whether from stupidity or intent you owe all
those who you defamed in this manner an apology.
If it was not that you were engaged in a ego game in which you are trying to
prove yourself smarter than the rest of the world, you would recognize this. At this point
you are just another declasse jerk.
You are another Giwer.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
Date: 26 Oct 1996 13:14:43 GMT
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> Hardwire <[email protected]> writes:
> I will remind all who are following these posts that I could really care
> less about the issues of the Holocaust that are being discussed, my only
> concern is sniffing out any possible conspiracy there may have been to
> get one Matthias Giwer banned from 4 different ISP’s.
If you wish to “sniff out a conspiracy” why aren’t you starting with
the ISPs (three to my knowledge) that have terminated him. Since you
represent one of them, why not start at home?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: England to Enforce the Holocaust Lie
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> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
> Another hoax. Racially motivated crime with a capital C hardly exists.
> Anti-Semitic “attacks” consist primarily of a) children defacing Jewish
> cemeteries and b) people sending cartoons through the post.
That might be true in the U.K. It is is certainly not true in the United
States. You, as a devoted reader of the ADL reports, must know that not only
are acts of violence common but they are increasing.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The importance of Hoess?
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> [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Ole “Deport them in the middle of the
> night” Kreiberg) wrote:
> >historiography. The confession of Auschwitz commander Ho”ss is usually
> >considered as some of the best evidence of the holocaust. He said that
> I have heard this claim repeated by Holocaust deniers over and
> over again. I have never seen it supported, although I have
> asked from time to time.
> My impressions:
> 1. Hoess’ confession was not important. His testimony at
> Nurnberg was, and, from our perspective, his memoirs. Hoess
> himself dismissed it as being of any importance, if memory
> serves.
> 2. Holocaust deniers continue making this claim, in spite of
> it’s not being supportable. Their motive must be called
> into question.
> Please tell me, Mr. Kreiberg, precisely who – beside yourself
> and your denying friends – cites Hoess’ confession as “some of
> the best evidence of the Holocaust?”
And when he finishes answering those questions, perhaps he will
attempt to explain why the prosecutors at Nuremberg neglected to produce this
“best evidence” for their case.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> In my state nearly all Sundays laws have been struck down as a violation of
Church and
> State. The only ones remaining are only because they are not challenged. “God”
is a
> religious neutral reference accepted by virtually all religions. Only JEWS get their
> specific religious laws enforced by state law in obvious violation of Church and
State.
Actually most “blue laws” have fallen because of Supreme Court case
known as the “Two Guys” (the name of the store that challenged it) Case. It is the
only major Supreme Court case that came out of Lehigh County. The local bar
association has a presentation on the case every few years. All of the lawyers who
argued the case take part with one notable exception. The Jewish lawyer who
represented “Two Guys” is not there.
As an ardent supporter of the National Alliance, perhaps “Stele” will tell us
why.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>
> The 50 anniversary of the of escape of the 7000 Danish Jews in
> October 1943 to Sweden were celebrated by the American Jews.
> According to the American Jews it was the whole Danish people and
> nation that out of some kind of “heroism” saved the Jews.
> As a Gentile Dane I find this embarrassing and nauseating.
That says it all, nazi boy.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: England to Enforce the Holocaust Lie
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> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken”
writes:
> > That might be true in the U.K. It is is certainly not true in the
> > United
> > States. You, as a devoted reader of the ADL reports, must know that not only
> > are acts of violence common but they are increasing.
> Check out Crying Wolf by Laird Wilcox; he documents numerous such incidents.
I have checked out his book. It’s bullshit.
> As to racially motivated violence, a lot of this is totally misclassified. If
> you – as a Jewish lawyer – were to get into an altercation over a bill with
> one of your less literate clients, for argument’s sake somebody you defended
> on a drunkenness charge, and he referred to you as a cheating kike, you might
> take that as an anti-Semitic remark. In reality it would most probably be
> a personal insult. If you weren’t a Jew but a woman you’d find yourself on
> the receiving end of a sexual slur, and so on.
Bullshit. It would be, most specifically an an anti-Semitic slur. That
against the woman would be because of her gender. Both come from bigotry;
neither are acceptable.
> As to the ADL, I wouldn’t take anything they say at face value.
Then don’t check out their reports which are meticulously documented.
Forget you anti-Semitic slurs and give us particular incidents they misreport. So far
your record is miserable. If you were in the U.S.. I would compare it to that of the
New York Jets.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > > [email protected] writes:
> > > > [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> > > > >Can’t you see we’re playing with you? Silly people.
> > > > Pardon me? Are you saying that you were a party to forging my name and
> > > > userid on posts to alt.revisionism?
> > > Think whatever you like-you do anyway. Paranoid kook.
> > Were you lying when you stated “we’re playing with you” or are you
> > lying now?
> You seem to be the expert at lying-you tell me.
No. I’ll just let your ISP sort it out.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Irving as a Historian
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> [email protected] (IVANPV) writes:
> Nizkor, however, does not put this evidence in the proper context.
> (It really seems that Nizkor is attempting to compile evidence to
> discredit Irving instead of offering a balanced assessment of his work.)
> Libel suits are much easier to win in Britain than in the United States.
This true. In the U.S. a substantially accurate report cannot be
defamatory; in the U.K. it must be true in every respect. The classic case about
the Holocaust was the Uris trial in which, relying on a mistaken report, Uris
accused a doctor at Auschwitz of participating in 17,000 medical experiments.
The number was far less and Uris was found to have defamed the man. The
corrective is the jury. In the Uris case the jury brought damages of a six pence;
Irving was hit with a substantial judgment.
> For example, the “Wall Street Journal” (“Libel Enforcement,” Feb. 2,
> 1995, p. B-7) points out that “Under British libel law, allegedly
> defamatory statements are presumed to be false, and defendants must prove
> them true to escape liability. Public officials can also collect damages
> for defamation without having to show malice.”
This is not absolutely accurate. If “truth” is used as a defense in the
U.S. it must be proved by the defendant. Remember that most issues such as this
are defined in civil trials long before it gets to the jury.
> Now how would this stringent libel law effect the historian. There
> are many historical interpretations that defame individuals that I believe
> are untrue–charges of anti-Semitism against World War II
> non-interventionists would be one example. By British libel law, these
> defamatory historical interpretations could constitute libel.
They could, as well, in the U.S.
> Consequently, by the British standard, it would seem that many historians
> would be burdened by libel suits, unless they wrote very bland history or
> dealt with long ago topics.
But they have not been. Perhaps the laws are not as the Wall Street
Journal represents.
> The United States legal authorities have recognized this problem.
> As the “Wall Street Journal” points out: “A federal judge refused to
> enforce a libel judgment obtained in England against a U.S. citizen on
> grounds that British libel law is ‘repugnant’ to American constitutional
> standards of free speech.”
Could you give a case citation on this. The editorial page of the Wall
Street Journal has a solid reputation for shading the truth on legal matter. I know
of least one personal injury case in which they severely misrepresented what
happened in a case to hype their point of view.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles
(Month 4)]
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> > Actually most “blue laws” have fallen because of Supreme Court case
> >known as the “Two Guys” (the name of the store that challenged it) Case. It
is the
> >only major Supreme Court case that came out of Lehigh County. The local
bar
> >association has a presentation on the case every few years. All of the lawyers
who
> >argued the case take part with one notable exception. The Jewish lawyer
who
> >represented “Two Guys” is not there.
> > As an ardent supporter of the National Alliance, perhaps “Stele” will tell
us
> >why.
> Oh! Here’s Yale the Liar! Back so soon? You want to tell MORE lies about
the National
> Alliance like the one you told that the convicted Freeman brothers were NA
members? Lying
> to the goyim, eh? Keeping up the ancient Jewish tradition!
The Stone won’t answer the question. Indeed he seems ashamed to
admit that two of his brethren were so devoted to “the cause” that they murdered
their father and mother and tortured their 11 year old brother to death.
Note as well that the Stone has yet to explain why the brothers
Freeman stated in verified pleading to the Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh
County that they were memers of the National Appliance, why the prosecution
stated in verfied pleading to the Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh County that
the motive for the murders were objections by the family to the membership of the
brothers Freeman in the National Appliance, and why Judge Lawrence Brenner of
the Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh County found, after hearing the evidence,
that the brothers Freeman were members of the National Appliance.
When he’s through with those explanations, I have a few questions
about the videotaped statement in which the brothers Freeman made several
statements about their connection to the National Appliance.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Blackmore Does It Again
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> Mr. Baron has already posted the evidence of SS being executed by Germans
for anti-Jewish
> excesses.
Actaully he posted an account froma British newspaper that SS troops
were punished for rioting. There was no reference to the KZ
> Also, Konrad Morgen testified over 200 Germans were convicted for mistreating
> Jewish inmates, and a few commandants were even executed. This totally gives
the lie to extermination.
blackmore’s ususal technique shows again. Morgen testified as to
convictions for maltreating inmates. blackmore — with no substantiation whatsoever
— adds the adjective “Jewish.” Where have I seen *this* particular lie before.
blackmore compounds his dishonesty by distorting Morgen’s testimony.
While Morgen testifed as to KZ commanders that were executed, blackmore
neglects to point out that the accusations against them was not for maltreating
Jewish inmates or even for maltreating inmates. The accusations were stealing
money from the SS. blackmore knows this, of course, the full acounts can be
found in “Soldiers of Evil” by Tom Segev. blackmore claims he owns and has read
this book.
> The Holocaust is a funny thing..
> When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
> When you discover it’s a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
And blackmore, of course, claims he is not an anti-Semite.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: GIF! GIF! Re: DAVID IRVING: What’s he afraid of?
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On Sat, 26 Oct 1996 10:40:46 -0400, “Annie Alpert, OFB”
<[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >When I attended the NA meeting to hear Irving speak, there was a woman
> >there with five (count ’em) FIVE kids. You can hear them quite clearly
> Just a good Aryan woman bringing the next generation of little Aryan
> children into the world and giving them a good upbringing.
If so, she should read about the brothers Freeman and take care that
they have limited access to sharp, pointed objects.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: More on Malmedy
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
> >> >> Where can I find a compete transcript of this speech?
> >> >Most likely through the newspaper which quoted it.
> >> I tried that, remember? The cite was bogus.
> >So now you choose to lie with the rest of your companions?
> >That’s ok by me. The cite was not and is not bogus. Your
> >claim to have researched it is bogus. No one is being fooled
> >by your pathetic chicanery.
> You’re welcome to look for a Sunday edition of the WASHINGTON DAILY
> NEWS, Jane. There ain’t no such animal.
> >Apparently you’re too dishonest to admit your own deceptions.
> Deceptions are in your line, not mine.
If you wish to see an account of the speech check the Congressional
Record for July 26, 1949, page 10397. Please note as well who placed it in the
Record. And then cogitate on blackmore’s dictum that if you can;t trust the
messengers, you can’t trust the message.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> What other group besides Jews have state laws which mention THEIR
RELIGION specifically to
> punish with criminal prosecution violations of their religious law using a
standard
which
> Jews alone determine?
Since you have yet to post a single such law your question is a
non-starter.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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> Hardwire <[email protected]> writes:
> Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> > But that is not what the criminal Giwer did. He used the names and
> > e-mail addresses of real people and wrote so as to represent that the writings
> > were of those whose headers he had forged.
> I don’t really recall seeing a post he had written with someone’s real
> replyto address written in. As I remember currently, the posts were
> made with “one-character-off”, and slurred-type addresses. But if you
> could direct me to archived posts that contain instances of forged email
> addresses please do so.
In the eight forged posts in which the criminal Giwer used my name both
my name and my e-mail address was spelled correctly. Should you wish I will
e-mail copies of them to you.
> I think it can be well said that martyrs only become so when
> killed under the watchful eye of the populace (in this case the other
> readers of this group). The situation cannot and does not take place
> for that reason unless the martyr-to-be is sure that the “death” can be
> seen plainly by all. In this case, the ambiguity surrounding Mr.
> Giwer’s so-called “crimes” is too prevalent to give rise to a
> “martyr-proxy”.
But please note that he has convinced *you* of such martyrdom to the
point where, as you state, that you want to “sniff out” a conspiracy. I would not be
surprised if, at some thime in the future, Ingrid writes about it in her Zundelgrams or
the “thought crimes archive” presents some distorted version of it.
> > There are a variety of possible explanations for the criminal Giwer’s
> > behavior. Among them:
> >
> > 1. He is irrational
> Obviously this cannot be the case if you’ve taken the time to read any
> of Giwer’s serious treatises. He is a very well thought writer and
> irrationality, although it plagues us all from time to time, is
> unacceptable as a continuing theory for his supposed actions.
Where’s the psychiatric report. Many of his posts are either totally
irrational or totally dishonest. Several people have questions about his mental
balance.
> > 3. He did it in a drunken rage
> Quite a possible theory, that is IF Giwer is a drinking man. Testimony
> of this would be unacceptable since the only known close relation to the
> man would be his son and I doubt that any of you would accept his word
> on it.
Or even just an occasional drinking man. His son is not the only person
who would know this, by the way. Do you know what his reputation was among
his co-workers?
> > 4. He beleives that the rules do not apply to him
> If I took the time to troll through everyone’s posts, I’m sure I could
> come up with several occassions where the “rules” didn’t apply to MANY
> people (both pro and con) on this group.
> > 5. He is proud of the number of providers that have banned him
> Hmmm.. I CAN see where that would give someone an ego. I imagine it
> would rank right up there with the ego obtained from repeatedly getting
> a user banned from an ISP.
> > You also seem to forget that the criminal Giwer has a history of being
> > banned from BBSs for offensive activities.
> This unfortunately I have no record of, and I highly doubt that anyone
> else could afford more than personal testimony on the topic. (Which of
> course is not considered evidence on this group evidently, so strike the
> whole idea.)
Wrong again. Several BBS operators have spoken up on this.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: More on Malmedy
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > If you wish to see an account of the speech check the
Congressional
> >Record for July 26, 1949, page 10397. Please note as well who placed it
in the
> >Record. And then cogitate on blackmore’s dictum that if you can;t trust
the
> >messengers, you can’t trust the message.
> Thanks for the tip–I’ll see if I can find this. As to who placed it, an
> educated guess: Senator Joseph McCarthy. Do I win the Tupperware?
Of course.
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 29 13:26:41 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Cannot Even Read a Calender
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> [email protected] (Thisis Aforgery) writes:
> >Explain why schools are NOT closed on Passover, Yom Kippur, or Hannukah.
> Passover is always on a Saturday. How many schools are open on
Saturday?
One thing that can be counted on is that the criminal Giwer is a fount of
misinformation. Passover begins on whatever day of the week, it falls upon. If the
criminal Giwer could read a calender he would have noted that in 1996 (Jewish
5756) Passover began on April 3, a Wednesday. Thnaks for making a fool of
yourself again, Matty poo.
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 29 23:13:23 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: England to Enforce the Holocaust Lie
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> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F.
Edeiken” writes:
>
> > Then don’t check out their reports which are meticulously
documented.
> Mr Stein might just disagree with you. With the ADL it’s not necessarily
always
> the facts that are wrong but the interpretation.
Either the facts are there, Lyin’ Al or they are not. Arson is arson.
> I’ll give you an example from England.
We are not talking about England. We are talking about the ADL.
Either come up with some speciufics or stop lying.
> As for the ADL, like I said, check out Laird Wilcox.
I have. He’s full of shit. Anybody who believes him is a credulous
fool.
> As for slurs, well,
> blacks often call themselves and each other nigger, recently faggots have
> started calling themselves queers. So you’re on shaky ground.
Now you are full of shit. You have no right to use a racial , religious,
or ethnic slur. Period. Do it in most parts of the U.S. and it is very likely that
not only that your septum will be forcibily deviated but the courts will tell you get
lost when you complain. Face it, Lyin’ Al, you just like to use racist slurs
because it makes you feel good.
–YFE
From [email protected] Wed Oct 30 07:29:28 PST 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles
(Month
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> You have actually yet to demonstrate the existence of these Kosher laws
> (which, of course, you cannot.)
Further he has not demonstrated their connection to Judaism. He is
apparently unaware that a majority of those who keep the kosher laws for religious
reasons are not Jewish.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Gets It Wrong Again
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> [email protected] (This1s Aforgery) writes:
> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:
> >Please document ANY false or malicious complaints I have made, Mr. Giwer.
> >Or retract the lie.
> I have no intention of retracting your deliberately false and malicious
> complaints. You have publically stated you have made false and malicious
> complaints. Admit you lied in saying that you filed them and we can start from
> the beginning.
That, of course, is a lie from the criminal Giwer. She admitted no such
thing. She complained about your forgeries. You were forging posts. Her
complaints were neither false or malicious. Your activities were, on the other hand,
both false and malicious.
But you know that.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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> [email protected] (This1s Aforgery) writes:
> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:
> >Mr. Giwer FORGED accounts: Dan Keren, Ken McVay, Yale Eideken, and
many
> >others. Not “changed his name,” FORGED theirs.
> >If he did it on a check, he’d be in jail.
> Amazing that the instant such a different ID was posted, everyone
claimed to
> know who it was and also claimed that it was forged. That sort of indicates it
> was not a forgery at all as it was so obvious. Beyond that, you are lying.
Just becasue the criminal Giwer is a stupid criminal does not mean he
is not a criminal.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: More Strange Legal Theories From the Criminal Giwer
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> [email protected] (Th1s1s Aforgery) writes:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > No. It’s a case of “fraud.” That is a vioaltion of the criminal law.
> > Another strange legal theory from the criminal Giwer. The damages that
> >stem from any fraud are that the buyer was induced to spend his/her money on
> >something that was not as represented.
> > If money was taken under flase pretenses, the person was harmed.
> >period. Only an idiot like the criminal Giwer could come up with an off-the-wall legal
> >theory like this.
> As YFE is willing to pervert his pretend knowledge of the law to support
> anything that supports jews or the holocaust.
Only to a confirmed anti-Semite like the criminal Giwer is objecting to fraud
something that supports the Holocaust.
> And as a jew he will continue to repeat his allegation of criminal activity as
> though it were true until all of his fellow jews and holohuggers begin to repeat
> it as true. It is a very stereotypical form of jewish behavior.
But, as all know, it is true. The criminal Giwer is, in fact, vioalted the criminal
law when he harassed those whose disagreed with him. Oddly enough only one
of his “revisionist” pals had the guts to stand up publically and say that his criminal
behavior was improper.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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> Kimberley Ahlf <[email protected]> writes:
> > >It is perfectly understandable that as a racist Dane you would find the
> > >efforts of your countrymen in saving 7,000 Jews “embarrassing and
> > >nauseating.”
To which the criminal Giwer responded:
> > When Finland wanted to evacuate them before the Germans took over
> > the country, the Zionists argued against it and prevailed. Later the
> > government did it without debate and got out a lot of them. As you
> > know, the Zionist founded Israel.
> Are you aware of the term “non sequitur,” Mr. Giwer?
Probably not. Another thing of which he is not aware is the history of WW
II. There were 2,000 Jews in Finland. “Finland provided a base of operations for the
Germans, but was never actually occupied by the Germans, except in the Northern
regions . . . . In a visit to Helsinki in July 1942, Himmler attempted to induce the Finns
to deport the Jews, but Finnish Foreign Minister Rolf Witting refused to give the
matter any consideration.” Dawidowicz, “The War Against the Jews”; page 374
(paperback edition).
It’s always a good idea to check out *anything* the criminal Giwer says.
His fabrications — such as this one — are so frequent that if he tells you Forida is in
the U.S., you had best check a map.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (This1s Aforgery) writes:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> [email protected] (Thisis Aforgery) writes:
> >> Passover is always on a Saturday. How many schools are open on
> >Saturday?
>
> > One thing that can be counted on is that the criminal Giwer is a fount
of
> >misinformation. Passover begins on whatever day of the week, it falls upon.
If the
> >criminal Giwer could read a calender he would have noted that in 1996
(Jewish
> >5756) Passover began on April 3, a Wednesday. Thnaks for making a fool
of
> >yourself again, Matty poo.
>
> Another silly shit jew with a malicious post. That is all jews appear to
be
> good for on this conference, false and malicious posts.
It is now confirmed. The criminal Giwer cannot read a calander. His
excuse seems to be that he hates Jews and, therefore, such mundane skills are
beyond him.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> Are you trying to tell us that it is torture to be locked up in a prison?
Under certain circimstances yes. Your plan is to use it as coercion
to deprive Danish citizens of their human rights.
> I am sorry, arming themselves is not an option. Even with the present strict
> Danish gunlaws it is practically impossible for anyone outside the police
> and the military to be legally in possesion of firearms. These laws are
> today enforced very rigorously. Therefore Edeiken’s nonsens about armed
> vigilantes would not be an option. Anyway why trying to create a
> Beirut-Sarejevo situation when this is not necessary.
Sorry nazi boy. That was your idea. You’re stuck with it.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Irving as a Historian
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> [email protected] (Rich Graves) writes:
> [email protected] (IVANPV) writes:
> > Not accepting the “Wall Street Journal’s” interpretation
> >(seems that some defenders of Holocaust orthodoxy can be as skeptical as
> >revisionists)
Actually it came from the editorial page which has a reputation for
misrepresenting what happens in courts. Second, I prefer to read the opinion
itself to see what the court really said. As a matter of fact I looked up the case
“Matusevitch v. Telnikoff” 877 F.Supp. 1 (D.D.C.; 1995) I found it a poorly
written decision. While there are statemets in it that could be interpreted as
stating what the WSJ represented, my personal opinion is that statement
overstates the opinion. While J. Urbina does refer to the difference in the law of
defamation in the U.K. and the U.S., I thought that the heart of both that
discussion and the opinion as a whole was the question of malice. The court
found that the defendant was a “limited use public figure.” Under U.K. law malice
is presumed; under U.S. law it must be proven. Thus the defendant was denied a
constitutional protection.
This is, however, not a blanket rejection of U.K. law; only a rejection
where there is some right portected in the U.S. J. Urbina concluded the
discussion of the basic differences not with a general rejection of U.K. law but
with the statement “In the light of the different standards, this court concludes
that recognition and enforcement of the foreign judgment *in this case* would
deprive the plaintiff [sic] of his constitutional rights.” (877 F. Supp. at 4; emphasis
added) The judge then proceeds to discuss the U.S. concepts of protected
speech and public figure.
In light of the discussion as to protected speech and status as a public
figure, I think the court was not rejecting all British libel judgments but holding that
the proponent must prove that no rights were violated before they can be
enforced.
A U.S. District Court opinion is hardly dispositive. I shepardized the
case and there was no indication as to whether or not it was taken to the Circuit
Court. I suspect that it was.
It should be noted, however, that it is of limited use in the Irving cases.
As I understand them, the persons who claimed to have been defamed were not
public figures. Neither the “protected speech” right or the “public figure”
standard could be applied as the plaintiff would *not* have to prove malice and
the holding of this court would be inapposite. Other opinions may vary.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Soviets were fighting Hitler in 1956 in Hungary?
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> [email protected] (Rich Graves) writes:
> Anyone with a serious academic interest in the Hungarian situation is
> encouraged to read the series of reports by the International Commission
> of Jurists at The Hague. Any large University library should have them.
> For people with a less serious interest in the subject, but who do not
> actually drool (I’d hate to get any books dirty), the following was
> recommended to me by an old professor who specializes in Eastern Europe (I
> haven’t read it myself):
> Felkay, Andrew. *Hungary and the USSR, 1956-1988: Kadar’s political
> leadership*. New York: Greenwood Press, 1989.
> Rothschild’s *Return to Diversity* and his earlier books on Eastern
> Europe, don’t remember the title, are also quite good general surveys. Oh,
> but he’s got a Jewish name, sorry.
Another good book, if you can find it, is “The Lion’s Last Roar.”
Although ostensibly about the Suez Crisis of 1956, one of themes of the book was
that the western powers were so involved with this crisis and the U.S. foriegn
policy gurus is such disarray (look up who was in the hospital then) that they were
unable to present a united front on the Hungarian crisis which occurred at the
same time. The author beleived that the Soviets took advantage of this to crush
the Hungarian freedom fighters.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Can’t Read English
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> [email protected] (NotThisis Aforgery) writes:
> > The criminal Giwer claims, of course, that he is not an anti-Semite.
> >Strange how he fits in so well with most of the other “revisionists’ around here.
> The repetition of the word “criminal” is a stereotypical jew tactic. It is
not
> surprising that you would use it.
In your case, however, it is an accurate description based on your
criminal conduct.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> > In this case YES. You are not talking about criminals, you are talking
> >about Danish citizens who have skin color of which you disapprove.
Locking
> >them up in unpleasant conditions so that they will leave their homeland is
torture.
> What kind of Talmudic quibbling is this. Torture is torture no matter the
> motive.
Apparently nazi boy, the concepts of basic human rights and due
process of law have no meaning to you. Why am I not surprised.
> > Since the “penalty” in this case occurs not because they violated a
> >law but because you disapprove of their ethnic heritage, locking them up is
> >torture.
> Yes they will of course be free to leave whenever they want (except back to
> Denmark where they will no longer have the legal right to stay). So it is
> not really a penalty. The internment is only made in order to prevent them
> from illegally reentering Denmark and to motive them to leave voluntarily.
> And they were indeed violating the law because they stayed after the respite
> that they were given.
Apparently, nazi boy, the concepts of basic human rights and due
process of law have no meaning to you. Why am I not surprised.
> If I after the expiry of my visa refuse to leave USA and I am because of
> that taken in custody by the US immigration authorities, is it torture?
> Even if I claim that the US legislators do not like the colour of my skin?
We are not talking about visas — which are granted to visitors — but to
the basic rights of Danish citizens. If the U.S. immigration authorities picked me
up and placed me prison, nazi boy, it would be illegal. If, as you suggest, the
consditions be made as unpleasant as possible so as to coerce me into giving up
my basic human rights, it most certainly would be torture.
Do you understand the difference now, nazi boy?
–YFE
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Subject: Re: U.L. tax on gentiles safty! (was Re: Aluminum foil contains pork?)
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> ron.schwarz[at]nethawk.com (Delete spam-buster ([at]) to reply) writes:
> On Tue, 29 Oct 1996 23:24:56 GMT, [email protected] (Kurt Stele)
> wrote:
> >Statutory murder and rape laws are NOT Jewish laws per se.
> Yeah, right. Based on English Common Law, based on JOOOOish Mosaic
> Law.
> Go home.
He can’t. His parents read about the Freeman case.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: England to Enforce the Holocaust Lie
Date: 30 Oct 1996 23:35:55 GMT
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> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
> If Yale did say this then he really is talking through his arse.
I said it. I borrowed it froma friend who collects books by nuts.
>Wilcox has
> a long left wing pedigree.
So does my friend. He still calls himself a “Marxist.”
> This seminal book confirms what I have long maintained:
You really do have a fascination with the nutscases, Lyin’ Al. My firend
recommends dipping into the writings of Alfred Lawson.
> that the whole of our social policy, certainly on race, is based on an enormous
> lie: RACISM = gas chambers.
As I said. A nutcase.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
Date: 30 Oct 1996 23:39:21 GMT
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> [email protected] (This1s Aforgery) writes:
> You folks can play and play all you wish but there will be a time when
all
> accounts will be balanced and it will be holohuggers on the debit side.
> The actions of holohuggers can be documented and are in the
process of
> documentation.
Just the like fabled lawsuit from the criminal Giwer that never
materialized.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Ducks from Mars
Date: 31 Oct 1996 14:00:43 GMT
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> [email protected] (Richard J. Green) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> DvdThomas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Charming little note in my mailbox today. Anybody know anything about
> >this guy? Would appreciate the info.
>
> [Marduk’s obscene gesture snipped.]
>
> Marduk,
>
> Your antics go too far. If anything your posts are an aid to the
> deniars. If you didn’t exist, they’d have to create you.
>
> Unfortunately, Marduk appears to be for real.
>
> Best bet: igore him, complain to his provider, or bounce his mail with
> procmail.
While I agree with your general sentiments, I do not think that DThomas
should ignore it. Just as when the criminal Giwer was pulling the same tricks it is at
least an invasion of his privacy and at worst a criminal act. What is more I
consider it totally unjustfied. No matter how repugnant his ideas are, DThomas
has never stooped to the level of the “Stele”s and the Giwers.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: England to Enforce the Holocaust Lie
Date: 31 Oct 1996 23:19:43 GMT
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> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken”
writes:
> > I have. He’s full of shit. Anybody who believes him is a credulous
> > fool.
> And so was J. Edgar Hoover and so is the US Civil Rights Commission; look up
> what they say about the ADL
Hoover was, indeed, a jerk. The US Civil Rights Commission has never
made any statement on the ADL; a director of that organization did. He stated
specifically that he was not speaking for the Commission.
>
> > Now you are full of shit. You have no right to use a racial ,
> > religious,
> > or ethnic slur. Period. Do it in most parts of the U.S. and it is very likely
> > that
> > not only that your septum will be forcibily deviated but the courts will tell
> > you get
> > lost when you complain. Face it, Lyin’ Al, you just like to use racist slurs
> > because it makes you feel good.
> You’re telling me I have no right to use what you term an “ethnic slur”? On
> whose authority you obnoxious little kike?
The law, asshole.
What makes you so special that
> you can dictate what other people have a right to do?
I don’t dictate it. The law is clear in the U.S. Such terms as the one
you use here are “fighting words.” They have no protection under the First
Amendment. If an employer used one to an employee; he would be sued and
lose. If a merchant used one to a customer, he would be sued and lose. If you
used the terrm to another person and that person hauled off and slugged you, it
would not be an assault.
> One reason I like that
> sort of strong language is because it sorts the wheat from the chaff.
The reason you use it is because you are a bigot.
> It’s what
> is referred to as calling a spade a spade
It’s what is referred to as “fighting words” and it is a deliberate effort to
be obnoxious.
> and it is something that people of
> all races and backgrounds generally appreciate.
I suppose you polled all your cellmates and they agreed.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: YFE and oaths
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