Matt Giwer writes:
> Our resident criminal
> Back before you were born the EPA was started in the US.
Unbeknownst to
> youngsters like you, rivers were full of shit, as in raw unprocessed human
> waste. Yes, Virginia, that is the way it was done in the good old days.
Then where did the British get the water?
More to the point where did the nazis get the water?
Belsen had been running for years. Are you now telling us that there
was never a water supply for the camp?
You are getting even sillier than usual.
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 1 12:31:50 PDT 1996
Article: 70610 of alt.revisionism
From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 30 Sep 1996 05:45:27 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Want to bet Matty poo? The message was sent to me and my family.
> > It is obscene. It is harrassment.
> > You are a criminal.
> I am awaiting the FBI. You have to report the crime as an officer of the
court.
> You are looking very silly and in violation of your oath as an attorney.
Says who, Matty poo? You?
Call them up and tell them you are violating the criminal laws of
Pennsylvania on which the statute of limitations has not run and I haven’t filed a
criminal complaint against you.
> Come on, dickless, file a criminal report.
Why?
> BTW: What is the email address of your family?
The same as mine.
> You are a silly, posturing old fool who is violating his oath.
You are a criminal whose abuse of the net was dealt with by your ISP.
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 1 12:31:51 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron Lies About the ADL Again
Date: 30 Sep 1996 02:58:55 GMT
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> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
> Bore, bore, lie, lie, fucking bore. Mr Stein has a copy of this non-existent
> article.
Which, according to Mr. Stein, makes no mention of the statements
you have attributed to it.
> > By the way, I take it this is — at long last — an admission that you
> > cannot
> > point to a statement from the ADL stating that 20% of Americans are
> > anti-Semites.
> Like I said, the lies of these hatemongers are a matter of public record;
> check out Weyl the book they commissioned ANTI-SEMITISM [sic] IN
AMERICA.
A public record which you cannot point out. Weyl is liar. You are a
liar.
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 1 12:31:52 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
Date: 30 Sep 1996 03:17:25 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> “confessions” were obtained, it more or less forced the allies into a corner.
When it came
> to light during the Malmedy trials that torture, intimidation, and bribery were
common tools
> used to obtain damning admissions,
Torture was not used during the interrogations before the Malmedy
trials.
> I have been trying to tell you for months now, but many of you
> either ignore or refuse to research sources
> which I recommend, which cast suspicion upon these “eyewitness”
> testimonies, many obtained by intimidation,
> torture, and “plea bargains”, or a desire for revenge.
I *have* researched the sources about your claims of torture at the
Malmedy trials. They are fraudulent. That being established why should I
bother to chase down your other red herrings.
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 1 20:59:05 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: HITLER SAID THE JEWS ARE THE BIG LIARS
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> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
> Matt Giwer recounts lies and hallucinations. Obviously Hitler never
> met Matt Giwer or he might have used a different example.
Obviously Will Rogers never met him either.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 30 Sep 1996 23:48:51 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
> > Wrong, Matty poo. A crime has been committed. You committed it.
> >Actually it was two crimes. Your first crime was Harassment by Communication,
> >a class three misdemeanor (18 P.S. 2710), when in response to a request
> >that you cease your harassment of me and my family you told us “I am tired
> >of your shit. Fuck off.” Your second crime occurred two days later when, in
> >furtherance of the threat implied in your first criminal communication you
> >harassed me further with another e-mail that included your rather vile anti-Semitic
> >rantings. This second crime was also Harassment by Communication now
> >compounded by “Ethnic Intimidation” (12 P.S. 4908) which elevates the crime to
> >a class two misdemeanor.
> > I suggest you talk to a lawyer.
> When do you report it according to your oath? When does the FBI show up?
When the FBI investigates you is their concern.
> Speak up, dickless. When is it going to happen? I am getting tired of waiting.
When did I state that I was going to file a criminal complaint?
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 1 22:43:33 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> > All this becasue Matty poo won’t answer a simple question: where did
> >the British get the water?
> > Perhaps Matty poo should go back to what he does best: harassing
> >those who disagree with him.
Matty poo still won’t answer the question.
Where did the water come from Matty poo?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On Mon, 30 Sep 1996 17:30:33 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:
> >The nazi-boy, and Giwer, are trying to pull a trick here.
> >The corpses were in the water tanks in the camp, not in the
> >river. The river water was fit to drink. Kramer simply didn’t
> >care enough to supply any water to the inmates. The Brits,
> >using only equipment found in the camp, immediately set up
> >a system to provide the water to the camp.
[Matty poo’s evasions snipped]
Why can’t Matty poo answer this simple question?
Is it becasue he has been caught lying again?
–YFE
From [email protected] Wed Oct 2 08:16:38 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Who, what, sort of when, but no where, exactly.
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> When he announced he was leaving to take up an assistants job at
> the Oxford Frances Bacon under “Au revoir, but not goodbye”, I
> responded with:
>
> “Mr. Morris, can you e-mail me the address of this new board
> you’ve been elected to so I can send them some samples of your alt.rev
> posts so they will realize what an idiot they have chosen?
> Thanks
> Tom Moran”
> The idea that the board would have samples of his alt.revisionism
> stuff panicked him into sending a complaint to my mommy (server). He
> went completely bananas. He got himself into a real fit. And all I did
> was propose sending off his own stuff. Didn’t say anything about
> adding any commentary. Didn’t say anything about including anything
> other than his own output.
O.K. then l’il tommy why don’t you post the names and addresses of
your co-workers, supervisors, and customers. We’ll send them some of your
posts and ask for their reaction. All we will send are your anti-Semitic rants.
How about your parish priest l’il tommy? I’m sure he would be
interested in your representations.
> He fears his own stuff, because he knows deep down inside,
> subliminally, he’s an idiot.
l’il tommy has been challenged several times about his opinions.
Specifically he has been invited to defend himself before an impartial tribunal. l’il
tommy has consistently refused becasue he knows that he is an anti-Semite and
a liar.
> And what does he do when he first reappears on alr.revisionism?
> He strives to discredit the history of Frances Bacon with 185 lines
> under “Bacon, Diogenes, Homer and Voltaire – enemies of Holocaust
> tyranny”.
It’s not very hard to discredit someone who was chancellor of the Star
Chamber.
–YFE
From [email protected] Wed Oct 2 08:16:39 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Priests Murdered in Dachau
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Since the commandants of the camps were specifically required to list
> >the Christian clergy in their camps (Document NS 3 425, Bundesarchiv Koblenz
> >issued December 31, 1943), why would expect rabbis to be listed?
> > Or are you just even stupider than you generally appear?
> “(Document NS 3 425)” you say?
No. What I said was Document NS 3 425 in the Bundesarchiv Koblenz.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Response to “Teapot Tempest”…Jews the children of “satin”?
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> Dan Cook <[email protected]> writes:
> I think you, Mr. Schoedel were always a fraud, your so called White
> supremist board gave prace to Scofiels and had an Biblica interpitation
> staight from the Talmud. I think Winston is talking abut you in his News
> Letter when He mentioned a traitor.
Moran himself could not have said it better.
I am tempted to send this to William Safire but he would think someone
is pulling his leg.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> > You may say it until the cows come home, Mr. Blackmore, that will not make it
> > true.
> No, but the facts do make it true. Pity that you refuse to admit it.
WHAT FACTS? You have presented no “facts” whatsoever.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> Testimony of Herta Ehlert, a member of the SS unit at Belsen (p. 709):
> ———————————————————————
> The conditions in Belsen were a shame and a disgrace. I consider
> that the people chiefly responsible were Kramer the Kommandant,
> Dr. Horstmann, Untersturmfuehrer Klipp, who was for some time
> Kramer’s second in command, and Haupsturfuehrer Vogler, who
> worked in Kramer’s office and was responsible for food supply.
> I say that Kramer was responsible for the conditions, among
> other reasons, because on one occasion when I complained of the
> increasing death rate to Kramer he replied, “let them die, why
> should you care?”.
This, as blackmore well knows, is quite consistent with Kramer’s
character. When asked what it felt like to murder 80 people, Kramer replied “I
didn’t feel anything. I received an order to kill the prisoners, and that is what I did.”
Later he told his wife that they should be thankful that they were not born Jews
since that would mean that they would have to die.
Segev, “Soldiers of Evil: The Commandants of the Nazi Concentration
Camps” pages 51, 53.
–YFE
From [email protected] Thu Oct 3 08:36:09 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 1 Oct 1996 02:38:18 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> Is you state so different that an officer of the court does not have to report
> crimes?
There is no such requirement in any state.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Notice to revisionist: Please read.
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> [email protected] (Fredric L. Rice) writes:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >By all means do so. The Soncino translation of the BabylonianTalmud
> >(not the best or most complete translation) is available on CD from:
> To damned expensive. Are there any ASCII copies around the network?
I guess it’s all relative. About a year ago I paid $2K for one three CD
set and $1.5K for a single CD. Since the hard copy price for a *used* set of
hard copy is about $6K, I thought it was a bargain.
I don’t know of any site that has the complete Soncino edition on-line.
If you are looking, check for the Steinsaltz translation. It is more complete and
most Talmus students I know think it a better translation.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
> > Wrong. The British brought up the trucks and then found that the water
> > which Kramer denied the prisoners was potable.
> Wrong. Read the testimony.
I did. The testimony states that they used the pumps and hoses in the
camp and got the water from the river. They also stated that there was no reason
why Kramer could not do the same.
Against that testimony we have:
your speculations.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Giwer admits again that he is a troll….
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> [email protected] (Fredric L. Rice) writes:
> What is the form that Matt’s mailbombs take? Does he post hundreds of
> messages to an individual or does he go for megabyte file attaches?
> If it’s hundreds of messages, is it the same message over and over or
> is it religious revisionist propaganda?
In the case of the mailbombing of Nizkor (for which he was suspended by his
ISP) it was a single 5 meg bomb. The mail bomb can be found on the Nizkor website
(https://nizkor.org) Recently Rajiv Ghandi has stated that Giwer e-mailed him
approximately 125 identical messages.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Yom Kippur
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 2 Oct 1996 02:33:56 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> > Wrong, Matty poo. A crime has been committed. You committed it.
> >> >Actually it was two crimes. Your first crime was Harassment by
Communication,
> >> >a class three misdemeanor (18 P.S. 2710), when in response to a request
> >> >that you cease your harassment of me and my family you told us “I am
tired
> >> >of your shit. Fuck off.” Your second crime occurred two days later when,
in
> >> >furtherance of the threat implied in your first criminal communication you
> >> >harassed me further with another e-mail that included your rather vile
anti-Semitic
> >> >rantings. This second crime was also Harassment by Communication now
> >> >compounded by “Ethnic Intimidation” (12 P.S. 4908) which elevates the
crime to
> >> >a class two misdemeanor.
> > When did I state that I was going to file a criminal complaint?
> As an officer of the court you are obligated to do so.
Wrong. There is no such requirement. In fact, under many
circumstances I am obligated *not* to report it.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Fredric L. Rice) writes:
> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
> >Dickless has publically charged that I am a criminal.
> Have any evidence for this one?
I have posted that Giwer is a criminal. Specifically, after sending
unwanted e-mail and being asked to stop he e-mailed the following message to
me and my family.
“I am tired of your shit. Fuck off.” (August 19, 1996) This is in
violation of 18 P.S. 2710 (Pennsylvania) which classifies this as “Harassment by
Communication”.
Apparently to prove his intention to invade our privacy Giwer e-mailed
us one of his typical anti-Semitic rants on September 5, 1996. This was in
violation of both 18 P.S. 2710 and 18 P.S. 4906 Ethnic Intimidation which is not
a crime when standing alone but is an enhancement statute which ups a
harassment charge by one grade.
A complaint was made to [email protected] They verified both the
request that Giwer cease sending e-mail and the fact that Giwer sent those
harassing communications. For that reason and his threats (which were, in
fact, an attempt at extortion) and mailbombing of Nizkor, Netcom suspended
Giwer’s account. Netcom agreed to reinstate his account if he complied with
certain conditions. Giwer never complied with the conditions; he now posts from
another ISP for the moment.
–YFE
From [email protected] Thu Oct 3 08:36:14 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 1 Oct 1996 03:00:47 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Let us review the bidding to this point:
> > 1. on March 23, March 27, and July 23, 1996. Matt Giwer e-mailed
me. On
> >the first two occasions I requested that he send me no more e-mail.
> In response to email exchanges that you initiated.
That is a lie. I have never e-mailed you except to request that you stop
sending me e-mail.
You are a criminal who harassed me and my family because you are an
egoistical jerk.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
> Right. the big-time lawyer says that we don’t need to prove crimes alleged
> against Germans. Where was their “dream team”?
No. I am saying that they *did* prove the crimes alleged against the
nazis. Courts were constituted. Evidence of the guilt was presented. Defenses
were presented. The nazis were convicted.
You are now trying to tell us those convictions were is error. That,
sonny boy, requires a little more than “reasonable suspicions.” It requires facts
and evidence. You have presented none.
You have whines.
You have speculated.
You have postured.
You have lied.
You have told us that a man who murders eighty people and shrugs
his shoulders when asked how he felt when he did it, was something other than
a cold-blooded killer.
Sorry that I can’t take you seriously, sonny boy. In the marketplace of
ideas you are a loser.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Obviously from the camp. There are no reports that the electricity was
> > out.
> The electricity WAS out.
Strange that nobody noticed that but you.
> > Now answer the question. Where did the water come from?
> From the same place where Jesus got his loaves and fishes….
blackmore still does not answer the question. It is rather simple. blackmore
claims that no potable water was available. The British state that they supplied
potable water within hours. The evidence is that they supplied potable water within
hours. blackmore can’t answer a simple question.
Where did the water come from?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Kramer was a murderer.
> > Where did the British get the water to supply the camp?
> You’re avoiding the issues. By the way, I answered your question about the
water.
> See my current posts.
The issue is a simple one. Kramer made a silly claim. Your speculation
does not give it substance.
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Where did they get the water?
> This question has been answered in a recent reply to B. Harmon. Follow
> the yellow brick road….
The answer is nothing more than your speculation.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
>
> # Considering how the Soviets had set up a Extraordinary Commission
> # for the study of war crimes from day one of entering the camps, why
> # did the Soviets not take photos of the alleged Cremas, even in their
> # razed state?
>
> Of course they did. See Pressac’s book.
>
> # and why didn’t the Soviets take any photographs
>
> They did.
Apparently l’il tommy is unaware of the evidence presented at the
Nuremberg trial. They not only took photographs but made movies as well.
> Poor, poor old Tommy.
If you add “ignorant” you have hit the nail on the head.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Yom Kippur
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
> > As an officer of the court you are obligated to do so.
> > Where in the lawyer’s code of professional conduct for Mr. Edeiken’s
> > particular state does it say that, you moron ?
There is, of course, no such requirement in any code of professional
conduct. In fact, the opposite is true. In many cases lawyers are prohibited from
reporting crimes. An accurate (rare for Hollywood) use of this in fiction can be
found in “The Jagged Edge.”
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
> > Where did the British get the water?
> read the test. I even quoted it for you.
According to the testimony they obtained it from the river using the
camp equipment.
According to the testimony it was potable.
According to the testimony they needed no special filters.
According to the testimony the camp equipment worked fine.
I am glad that you finally agree that the failure to provide water was
Kramer’s fault.
Now let’s go on to the next point. Kramer denied food to the inmates.
Food was available. You are well aware of what he did and what he didn’t do.
Why did he deprive those starving people of food?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
> Special filtration or no special filtration, the water was not brought up
> for 4 to 5 days from the river, after they had scrounged through the camp
> for materials. Perhaps the defense counsel could have pursued the questioning
> a bit more in depth.
The testimony was the water was restored with hours of their arrival.
Perhaps defense counsel didn’t pursue it becasue he knew that he was
going to beaten over the head with it.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Joseph Kramer, Watta Guy!
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Source: “Soldiers of Evil” Tom Segev (McGraw Hill; 1987). The book
> > is a re-writing of Dr. Segev’s doctoral thesis in history at Boston University. It
was
> > study of the commandants of the concentration camps.
> Thanks for your “help”, but I already own the book you mentioned, and I have
> read it. As to your other comments, we can do without your attacking
Catholics.
Then why have you failed to deal with the facts contained therein?
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > > > Where did they get the water?
> > > This question has been answered in a recent reply to B. Harmon. Follow
> > > the yellow brick road….
> > The answer is nothing more than your speculation.
> No it isn’t. It is in the testimony.
Excuse me, sonny boy, but that is what everybody else has been saying.
*You* (and our resident criminal) have been the ones maintaining it came from
somewhere else.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
> > WHAT FACTS? You have presented no “facts” whatsoever.
> Are you suffering from delusional thinking?
No. I am dealing with the historical record. You have presented
speculations, strange arguments, and denials of the testimony of those who were
there. You wouldn’t even be allowed to present your arguments to a jury. And, if
you did they would laugh at you.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > The charges of torture at the Malmedy trial were thoroughly disproved.
> > Clay states this. The Simpsom report states this. Extensive hearing before the
> > Senate establish this.
> > You are lying.
> You are in error, as usual.
“It was then that I asked for an independent review which led to the
appointment of the Simpson Commission by the Department of the Army. This
commission and my own Admisitration of Justice Review Board found that improper
methods had been used to obtain evidence in the Malmedy cases. Members of the
prosecution staff testified to the use of stage settings, stool pigeons, and similar
methods to extract evidence. Extreme brutalities claimed by the prisoners, in
manifest self-interest were denied by the prosecution staff and not borne out by
other evidence.”
–Lucius Clay “Decision in Germany” page 253.
Apparently among those in error are Lucius Clay, the Simpson
Commission, and the Senate of the United States.
Apparently you are lying again. As usual.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Joseph Kramer, Watta Guy!
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Then why have you failed to deal with the facts contained therein?
> I am dealing with the information contained therein, as well as other sources-
> are you?
Don’t be silly. The book contradicts every one of cherished ideas about
Kramer. You have claimed that his intention was to treat the prisoners humanely. The
information Segev presents makes a very convincing case that Kramer — and the other
commandants of the concentration camps — were indoctrinated and ordered to treat the
prisoners as sub-human.
Deal with it, sonny boy.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Oct 4 17:24:34 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] writes:
> > Perhaps defense counsel didn’t pursue it becasue he knew that he
was
> > going to beaten over the head with it.
> You’re guessing…..By the way-water wasn’t “restored”, it was brought in by
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> field trucks from their field units.
No. I’m making a logical deduction from known facts. In this case
the known facts include the art of cross examination.
The water came from somewhere. Even if it was in trucks.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sat Oct 5 08:54:45 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Holocaust / Zionism connection
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:
> Right here we have the Simon Wiesenthal telling Clinton, in the
> open limelight of our medias, “No Arafat Invitation until PLO Charter
> Revoked”, and Clinton obeying.
Hey, Moron do you know what the PLO Charter states?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >Correction: Don’t refer me to a secondary source.
> Then check the footnotes to the secondary source Mr.
> Belling/Blackmore/Whoever. Don’t just try to wriggle out by ignoring a
> presentation. You have your chance now to catch old Yale off guard by
> looking at his secondary source’s sources. I think you prefer to
> cop-out, however.
rblackmore is just throwing up a smokescreen. The facts in Segev
includes some rather interesting primary material, including quotes from Kramer’s
letters from prison and quotes from an interview with Kramer’s wife. That is
classified as primary source material wherever the reprints can be found.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sat Oct 5 08:54:46 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Don’t be silly. The book contradicts every one of cherished ideas
about
> > Kramer. You have claimed that his intention was to treat the prisoners
humanely. The
> > information Segev presents makes a very convincing case that Kramer —
and the other
> > commandants of the concentration camps — were indoctrinated and
ordered to treat the
> > prisoners as sub-human.
> > Deal with it, sonny boy.
> Correction: Don’t refer me to a secondary source.
Sorry, sonny boy, much of the material in Segev’s book is primary
source — including the interview with his wife.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> > Not to belabor the obvious or anything, but where did the water in the
> > water tanks (or reservoirs) come from? Surely a large camp like Belsen
> > did not rely on rain water collected in cisterns. Could the tanks not
> > have been drained after the corpses were removed and replenished from
> > whatever their water source was? From the river perhaps?
> Well, you are asking a speculative question here. One might think of a whole
> list of perhaps, but all we have to go on is what is, or was. I am not sure
> that even the British resorted to the method you described above. i did
> not read it in the transcripts. i wish they were more explicit about the methods
> they utilized after they took over the administration of the camp.
His question is not speculative at all. You have consistently ignored the
basic fact that the water for the camp had to come from somewhere.
The only ones deprived of water were the prisoners and that only when
Kramer was in charge. There was plenty of potable water for the guards. There
was potable water for the prisoners in the years before Kramer took over.
The relevant facts are that the British were able to supply potable water
using the equipment on hand. The rest is a red herring.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> It has been some six to seven months since the holohuggers, after several
> rounds of name calling, dropped to rather obvious point regarding the
> collection of human hair, there exists nothing then or now that is made of
> pure jewess hair.
Directive to commandants of concentration camps dated January 1,
1943:
“The prisoner’s hair is to be sent to Alex Zink, Fur Manufactures, Ltd.,
Nuremberg. The company will pay 0.50 marks for every kilogram of hair.”
Bubdesarchiv Koblenz; document NS 3 386.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
> > The testimony was the water was restored with hours of their arrival.
> > Perhaps defense counsel didn’t pursue it becasue he knew that he
was
> > going to beaten over the head with it.
> You’re guessing…..By the way-water wasn’t “restored”, it was brought in by
British
> field trucks from their field units.
No. I’m reading the testimony. Testimony that a British barrister would
not touch on cross-examination.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] writes:
> > The water came from somewhere. Even if it was in trucks.
> OK. Great. But it did not come from the river.
You can prove this?
I thought not. More excuses without foundation.
> it came as part of the regular field
> supplies issued to the Brish army.
Sure. And the British trucked all their water in from the Thames.
> So, Kramer did not get the water from the river, he got
> it from the British.
Kramer was under arrest. The British supplied the water to the prisoners .
Your string is about played out. The fact is that the testimony is that the
British used the pumps and hoses found in the camp and obtained potable water
>from the river. All you wiggling and all your squirming cannot change that.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> >> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> >> Apparently l’il tommy is unaware of the evidence presented at the
> >> Nuremberg trial. They not only took photographs but made movies as well.
> Mr. Edeiken, I’m interested in these photos, and the movies. How
> come they are not used, referred to, in the Holocasut sales package? I
> take it your not referring to anything of Buchenwald or Dachau, but
> are referring to any taken by the Soviets, as that’s what the subject
> is about.
In other words, you are ignorant of the evidence presented at the
Nurmeber trials. There are several good books on the subject. I realize that your
lips might get tired, but try reading one instead of making up your lies.
Specifically:
Conot, “Justice at Nuremberg”
Taylor, “Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials”
> >> If you add “ignorant” you have hit the nail on the head.
> >I thought you people were uncomfortable referring to Nuremberg?
Then you thought wrong. But that surprises no-one.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> I have only heard of one movie and it would be in the no longer used
> category as it was made by the US Army and showed a gas chamber. And
since
> the US had no access to Poland …
Then you are as ignorant as Moran. How dare you claim that you
have gone over the IMT transcripts when you have no knowledge of the case
presented at the trial. If you did the research that you claim to have done you
would not make such silly mistakes.
Read a book, asshole.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:
> >Here we have yet another brazen example of Holocaust denial by Moran. His
> >specious claims, half-truths, and outright lies are presented for no other
> >reason than the malicious distortion of the historical record to disparge
> >the Holocaust and its victims. Such puerile tactics are the stock-in-trade
> >of Holocuast deniers, Nazi apologists, and anti-Semites like Moran.
> This is Mr. VanAlstines emotional bitter introduction.
Actually it is neither bitter nor emotional. It is an accurate description of
your technique of lying — which he then proceeded to dissect with devastating
effect — and your tranparent motive for doing so.
The fact is that you are a liar and and an anti-Semite.
I would be willing to make those charges before an impartial tribunal.
Are you willing to show up and dispute them?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > “It was then that I asked for an independent review which led to the
> > appointment of the Simpson Commission by the Department of the Army. This
> > commission and my own Admisitration of Justice Review Board found that
improper
> > methods had been used to obtain evidence in the Malmedy cases. Members
of the
> > prosecution staff testified to the use of stage settings, stool pigeons, and
similar
> > methods to extract evidence. Extreme brutalities claimed by the prisoners, in
> > manifest self-interest were denied by the prosecution staff and not borne out
by
> > other evidence.”
> > –Lucius Clay “Decision in Germany” page 253.
> > Apparently among those in error are Lucius Clay, the Simpson
> > Commission, and the Senate of the United States.
> > Apparently you are lying again. As usual.
> The facts are somewhat different, regardless of what Clay said then, to
> try and save face.
Odd that Lucius Clay did not know what the facts were. Odd that the
Simpson Commission did not know what the facts were. Odd that a Senate
investigating committee hostile to the prosecutors did not know what the facts
were.
The fact is that they all dismissed the claims of torture as lies.
Odd that physicians who examined the alleged victims could find no
medical results of severe torture.
The fact is that the alleged victims were medically examined at the time
of trial and there were no discernable injuries.
Odd that the leading revisionist book on the Dachau trials “Innocent at
Dachau” does not make a claim that Simpson Commission found such torture.
The fact is that while he cites the conclusion that there were irregularities
he does not charge physical coercion.
Somehow I think that when blackmore gets around to posting his
“evidence” we will read the same old charges and his “reasonable suspicions.”
There will be no medical reports. There will be no independent evidence. There
will just be hot air. That’s what we have come to expect from blackmore.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> > Good point. Now why do you suppose the folks back in Berlin would
> > impressed by exaggerated body counts of Jews shot by the
> > Einsatzgruppen?
>
> who was talking about the Jews here?
The Einsatzgruppen. The people back in Berlin>
> > I know, I know. You’ll get around to posting. . . .
> I just did, didn’t I? By the way, how fast could you post if you answer dozens
of
> demands for evidence every day? I am not the Wiesenthal Center, where I
can hire
> a staff to do my work for me. If that was the case, you people would really be
in a
> jam. Your unjust and barbed comments do you no credit.
The idea, jerk-off, is to do your research *before* you make an
assertion of fact.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: More jewish terrorism in France
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> When the exterminationist posts stop I will stop. If you folks will not
> honor the revision only nature of the conference I will not.
> You do understand, do you not?
Yes. We understand perfectly. If t\your opponents don’t stop proving
that you are a fraud and a liar, yu will continue to violate the law by such
unsavory activities as:
1. extortion
2. mail-bombing
3. spamming
4. harassing people with obscene e-mail.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> Which begs the question as to why the IMT received so few
non-jewish
> reports. We are also left to wonder why the jew, non-jew breakout of the
> total was not in the literature prior to the change.
It was. But then, you have now admitted that you are unaware of
the evidence presented at the IMT.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] writes:
> > Nothing is ever done to your satisfaction, Herr Belling, and I couldn’t be
> > bothered to do so since you have become little more than a troll.
> Always an excuse for a disinclination to assist researchers with contrary
opinions, Ken.
Actually you have showed no ability or interest in research. Your
“questions” have been little more than puerile quibbles. Examples:
1. When you were presented with the testimony of Nysili you asked for
his birth certificate.
2. When you were told Hilter read “Der Stuermer” you demanded
certifed copies of the subscription records.
3. When you were given a physician’s report, you demanded his raw
notes.
4. When you were given a pathologist’s report on a tissue sample, you
demanded that the original specimen be produced.
And to put the cherry on top of the sundae when you made one of your
blanket assertions and were asked for some evidence, you told us that you had a
“reasonable suspicion” and that should be sufficient for anyone.
Stop whining, little boy.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Sure. And the British trucked all their water in from the Thames.
> > Kramer was under arrest. The British supplied the water to the
prisoners .
> > Your string is about played out. The fact is that the testimony is that
the
> > British used the pumps and hoses found in the camp and obtained potable
water
> > from the river. All you wiggling and all your squirming cannot change that.
> You’re a riot sometimes. Why don’t you do some reading instead of talking
> all the time? How do you think whole armies are supplied with food and
water?
> It is called logistics, and the British brought up water and food supplies from
their
> own field kitchens.
Initially, yes. Then they used the resources your murderous hero had
at his disposal and refused to use. The water came from the river and the food
>from the wehrmacht supplies nearby.
> The water was NOT pumped in from the river until FIVE days
> later, after they had scrounged throughout the camp for equipment.
Which the Kramer could have easily done himself had he cared. Giulty
as charged.
> For an attorney,
> you really are making yourself look ridiculous here. Go get a cup of coffee,
wake
> up, read the testimony which confirms what I just told you, and then get back
to me.
Which is in flat contradiction to your position that Kramer is innocent.
Something you apparently decided before you looked that the evidence and
maintain here as some sort of religious belief.
–YFE
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > > > Perhaps defense counsel didn’t pursue it becasue he knew
that he
> > was
> > > > going to beaten over the head with it.
> > > You’re guessing…..By the way-water wasn’t “restored”,
it was brought in
by
> > British
> > > field trucks from their field units.
The testimony was that it was restored using the pumps and equipment
at the camp. When asked if Kramer could have done the same, the answer was
that he could have.
> > No. I’m reading the testimony. Testimony that a British barrister would
> > not touch on cross-examination.
> Now read the testimony that confirms what I posted above.
I read it. You are distorting it. It damns Kramer for the murderer that he
was. And no barrister in his right mind would have even tried to cross examine on
it.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] writes:
> This is great. You’re not uncomfortable about referring to Nuremberg?
No. I’m not. In fact I have recently read more on the trial then
previously, including all of the testimony presented at the trial on the KZ and the
judgment of the court as well as rereading about a dozen books on the trials.
Apparently Moran is not even familiar with the evidence presented
there yet chooses to babble on about it.
The verdict is in. As Moran once stated (and has since backed down)
what you are doing is attempting to “appeal.” The burden is upon the detractors
of the trial. To date I have not seen an argument — and this includes your posts,
Carlo Mantagno’s articles from which they were drawn, and Giwer’s nonsense —
which an appellate court would even consider. Please note that I did not state
“believe” or even “consider seriously,” I stated “consider.” The arguments that
have been presented do not even begin to make an issue.
Please tell us when you are going to begin to do so.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Odd that physicians who examined the alleged victims could find no
> > medical results of severe torture.
> That’s a good one.
Sure is. It completely refutes your lie.
> > The fact is that the alleged victims were medically examined at the
time
> > of trial and there were no discernable injuries.
> Oh? The bruises had faded by then?
Since they never existed, your question stinks. Prove that “bruises”
existed in the first place. Moreover reports that testicles had to be removed
due to trauma are not ‘”bruises.” Being beaten repeatedly with rifle butts (note
plural), pistol butts (note plural) and pistol barrels (note plural) produce injuries
that go past bruises. Your problem is that one of your fellow nazi lovers has
already posted the text of the claims.
> Odder that this is in direct conflict with the comments of U.S.
> Judge Van Roden, who was in Germany investigating these
> brutalities at the time of their occurence.
Van Roden was part of the Simpson Commission. The Simpson
Commission made no findings of brutalities. You really ought to do some
research at some place other than revisionist web sites.
> “All but two of the Germans in 139 cases we investigated had been kicked
> in the testicles beyond repair. This was standard operating procedure with
> our American investigators.”
That does not appear in the Simpson Report. It is a fabrication.
Sorry.
> Old Proverb: “Three Pennsylvania lawyers are a match for the devil.”
You should note that Van Roden was from Pennsylvania.
–YFE
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Article: 71902 of alt.revisionism
From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected]
Sep 1996
> :>No, it does not. You seem to have a problem with it though. The two cases
> :>are not relevant, and neither are the circumstances. If you don’t mind, I really
> :>don’t want to enter into a discussion on Auschwitz just yet. I am still
researching.
>
> Yes, I am sure you are still “researching”. Hope it goes well.
>
> Funny that you raise the mane Kramer and once someone points out that he
was
> former commandant of Birkenau, you decide you don’t want to discuss
Auschwitz
> because you are “researching” it.
To help Mr. blackmore in his research here is the relevant portion of his
hero’s resume:
born: November 10, 1906
His father was an accountant and Kramer received his education at a Catholic
elementary school. After elementary school he was educated as an electrician.
work history:
1925: Kramer worked for three months as an electrician. This is the
only civilian job he ever held.
history as a nazi:
late 1931: Kramer joined the nazi party and enlisted in the SS in June,
1932. At the time the SS consisted of less than 15,000 men. All were unpaid
volunteers.
1934: turns down offer of position in Augsburg civil service and,
instead, enlists in the regular service of the SS. It is his first permanent job.
1934: stationed at Dachau as a clerk
1934-1936: transferred to Esterwegen, another concentration camp
1936: Esterwegen closed; transferred back to Dachau
1937: transferred to another camp Sachenhausen in charge of the mail
August 1938: transferred to Mauthausen as deputy to the commandant
1940: serves at Auschwitz as deputy to Hoess
1940: sent to special training at Dachau to serve as commanding
officer of the prisoner sections of concentration camps
1941: serves as commanding officer of the prisoner section of
Natzweiler
1942 (July): appointed commandant of Natweiler camp. In August
1943 Kramer personally supervised to murder of 80 people so that the bodies
could be used for “scientific research” at the University of Strasbourg. At his trial
Kramer was asked how he felt when he was asked to murder 80 people. He
stated: “I didn’t feel anything. I received an order to kill the prisoners, and that is
what I did.”
1944 (May): appointed commander of Auschwitz II (Birkenau)
His final post was, of course, the commandant of Bergen-Belsen.
Source: “Soldiers of Evil” Tom Segev (McGraw Hill; 1987). The book
is a re-writing of Dr. Segev’s doctoral thesis in history at Boston University. It was
study of the commandants of the concentration camps.
–YFE
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> Jean-Francois Beaulieu <[email protected]> writes:
> Oh, you will say, but there’s many other SS who testified about the gas
> chambers at the Farben trial. Ya. But in this case the situation was different.
> It can’t be said that the were certanly not under cohercition to testify.
> In spite of the usual attempt of the holo-hoaxers to deny the cases of torture
> at the malmedy trial, I consider that there is suffisant proofs that were given
> in the past about it. Of course, if one ask for a video taken secretally at
> this moment, if it is his standard for a proof, I can’t do anything.
In this case the “suffisant proof” you have is none.
> Complains
> were done. Judge Van Roden and Simpson backed the claim
They most certainly did not. “This [Simpson] commission and my own
Administration od Justice Review Board found that improper methods had been
used to obtain evidence in the Malmedy case. Members of the prosecution staff
testified to the use of stage settings, stool pigeons, and similar measures to extract
evidece. Extreme brutalities claimed by the prisoners, in manifest self-interest,
were denied by the prosecution staff and not borne out by other evidence.”
(Lucius Clay)
> (see the testimony of
> Hilberg at the Zuendel trial). US Lawyers who were present at Nuremberg
backed
> the charges in articles that were published in the Chicago Tribune at the end
> of the 40’s. Or perhaps someone will claim that the Farben trial and the Malmedy
> trial are two different things?
The Simpson Report was made public in the early 1950’s. You quote
not a word of its findings. There is a simple reason for that. It found that not
torture or physical brutality was used.
Quote the report.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> Now that the human hair myth has fallen again, we are left with the
> question of just why are there so many reports of the hair being cut from
> new arrivals. I have already posted the answer to this one but then the
> holohuggers again started name calling in order to distract the topic from
> the lack of of human hair and the well known reason for the hair cutting.
That is an outright lie. Two posts were made which refuted your silly
assertions. Both quoted from the orders sent to the concentration camps without
other comment.
One was: “The prisoner’s hair is to be sent to Alex Zink, Fur
Manufactures, Ltd. Nuremberg. The company will pay 0.50 marks for every
kilogram of hair.” Bundesarchiv Koblenz document NS 3 386
Deal with it, criminal type person.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> First I post this message. And then the holohuggers on failing to provide
> any such manufactured object, quickly try to shift the subject to soap.
> Nice try folks. One more myth down the tubes.
. . . . .
> It appears all the hair was cut off and shipped to German to be
destroyed
> rather than used to make anything. Tbink of all the doormats not made, all
> the mattresses not stuffed, all the submariners’ socks not made.
“The prisoners’ hair is to be sent to Alex Zink, Fur Manufacturers, Ltd.,
Nuremberg. The company will pay 0.50 marks for every kilogram of hair.”
Bundesarchiv Koblenz document NS 3 386
Why have you not tried to explain this, criminal type person?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
> You’re an obstinately irrational fellow.
Certainly I am obstinate but hardly irrational. The British supplied water. Ergo it was
possible to supply water. The British used the equipment on hand to supply the water. Ergo it
was possible for Kramer to have supplied water.
> The conditions in the camp before 1945
> were quite different, as you failed to appreciate.
Of course, I appreciate the difference. I also appreciate that the British were able to
supply water.
> The camp was initially constructed to
> accomodate 10,000 people at its maximum, not the 60,000 seriously ill people who were
> later crammed in there during the last 2 months of the war, when Kramer was commandant.
> This was no fault of his.
That, indeed, was not his fault. The issue, however, is his failure to supply food and
water to the inmates. He didn’t. The next issue, therefore, was whether or not itwas possible for
him to do so. It was.
> Perhaps others less blinded by prejudice than you will recognize the problems
> facing Kramer, who had this horror dumped in his lap by irresponsible superiors who
> themselves were incapable of rectifying the situation they had created and initially
> misrepresented to him.
Again. That is not the issue. People less prejudiced than you will recognize that the
issue is how Kramer dealt with the problems dumped in his lap. He did did not do what it was
possible for him to do and, as a result, tens of thousands died.
Also, before these people were crammed into this camp, conditions
> at Belsen were rather tolerable. There was enough food and water to go around for
> everyone. Allied bombing of railways only aggravated this situation. Could that have
> been their intention? Finally, for the 10th time, the British supplied the camp with water
> from their own field kitchens until they pumped water into the camp from
> the river 5 days later.
You are inaccurate. They used water trucks to supply the water for the first five days.
The water came from somewhere. Second, after five days they supplied water using the
equipment they found at the camp. Wiggle and squirm all you want. Kramer could have done
the same. Indeed his was trained both in the mechanical and administrative aspects of the
problem. He did nothing.
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> I asked you to read the testimony which I posted which proves that the British
> delivered water to the camp from trucks from their field kitchens. The
evidence
> also shows that water was pumped to the camp from the river 5 days later.
> This is subject is now closed, as is your mind.
You are distorting the testimony. The testimony was that they usaed
water trucks to supply the water. Moreover the testimony was that they used
the equipment in the camp to supply water and theat there was no reason that
Kramer could not have done the same.
The issue was whether or not could have supplied water. The
testimony was that he could have.
He was guilty.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] writes:
> Yale E. wrote:
> To date I have not seen an argument — and this includes your posts,
> > Carlo Mantagno’s articles from which they were drawn
> For the record, I have not read anything Mattogno has written.
>
> The verdict is in. As Moran once stated (and has since backed down)
> > what you are doing is attempting to “appeal.” The burden is upon the
detractors
> > of the trial.
> This of course, is ridiculous. Cases are often reopened and reexamined years
> after a sentence has been handed down, when new evidence is brought to
> light or when a judicial proceeding was conducted in flagrant disregard for the
> rights of the accused. A few examples of “appeal”
> I do not hear you complaining about are:
> 1. The Dreyfus Case
> 2. The Rosenberg Case
> 3. The Leo Frank Case
And, in each case where a case is reopened and reexamined, the
burden was placed upon the persons making the appeal to present a coherent
case according to recognized legal principles. My demand is that you follow
those basic principles. You — and the other deniers I cited — have not even
come close.
My statement was that no appellate judge would even consider the
case you have presented. That is something that is obvious. The deniers of the
Holocaust depend not on the presentation of new evidence or evidence of a
flagarant disregard of judicial proceedings but snippets of a trial taken out of
context.
Let us educate you with a concrete example. One of the first
questions that any appellate judge will ask is what the court below did. It is
claimed that the the IMT heard evidence from the Soviets that the nazis
massacred a number of Polish officers at Katyn Woods. The threshhold
question, however, is not the presentation of evidence, but the ruling of the
court. In this case the court found that the evidence was not credible and that it
had not been proven that the nazis committed the crime. The non-credible
evidence is, therefore, irrelevant. You cannot charge that a court is biased
against you when they ruled in your favor. Deniers — especially Giwer and
Mantagno consistently make this error.
The next step is to establish your case. Again, the denier efforts fail to
do this. Remember the burden is upon you to present the evidence. Look at
another concrete example. You have charged that Hoess’ confession was
coerced by physical torture. When asked for your evidence, your response was
that you had “a reasonable suspicion.” Sorry, sonny boy, there isn’t a judge in
the United States who would listen to that argument. Please note, I am not
saying “believe” the argument. You would not even get that far.
The IMT record of the Nuremberg trials (unfortuately the record of
many of the later trials is not) is publically available. All you have done so far is
present some vague and unsupported allegations.
Come back when you have some evidence.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> . You really ought to do some
> > research at some place other than revisionist web sites.
> I do not get my information from revisionist sites. Sorry to disappoint you.
Nor apparently did you do it by reading the Simpson Report.
> > > “All but two of the Germans in 139 cases we investigated had been
kicked
> > > in the testicles beyond repair. This was standard operating procedure
with
> > > our American investigators.”
> > That does not appear in the Simpson Report. It is a fabrication.
> > Sorry.
> This was stated publicly by the Judge himself and I have the source.
Odd that you do not post it. Please cite the page in the Simpson
report or to any testimony made under oath in which he made such a statement.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] writes:
>
> Great. Let’s address this: LOL!
>
> 1. When you were presented with the testimony of Nysili you asked for
> > his birth certificate.
> I still ask it. One of your colleagues suggested that I write to Nysili’s wife.
> I am still waiting for the address……Also, who is this mystery man who never
> even testified in a court of law, but whom you quote with pride? The
> “mystery man” whom Filip Mueller admits he plagiarized from….If you are
> going to produce a credible witness, at least prove he exists!
blackmore continues to make an idiot of himself.
> 2. When you were told Hilter read “Der Stuermer” you demanded
> > certifed copies of the subscription records.
> I still demand it. You have made a scurrilous accusation. Prove it.
> Resorting to hearsay and second hand statements will not suffice.
> Do not refer me to some man who claims he “heard” Hitler make a
> remark which cannot be substantiated by other witnesses.
blackmore continues to make an idiot of himself. He demonstrates
further that he has no idea of the meaning of the word ‘hearsay” for no such
testimony has been posted.
> 3. When you were given a physician’s report, you demanded his raw
> > notes.
> What I demanded and still demand are the results of the toxicological
> tests you claim were conducted upon corpses allegedly gassed at Dachau.
> I also demanded the written autopsy reports for the same.
blackmore resorts to lying. See #4 to see what blackmore would
have said to someone who would have spent a day or two complying with his
silly demand.
> 4. When you were given a pathologist’s report on a tissue sample, you
> > demanded that the original specimen be produced.
> Does this mean you have located it?
blackmore admits that he does not accept a pathologist report.
> 5. you told us that you had a
> > “reasonable suspicion” and that should be sufficient for anyone.
> I never used those the words “that should be sufficient for anyone”.
> I take it you are referring to the “water” at Belsen? That is a closed
> subject as I have said, having already provided you with the evidence
> 10 times over, Counselor.
blackmore lies again. The reference was, of course, to his
unsupported allegation that the Hoess confession was extracted by torture.
Please note the dishonest editing of my post. Please note as well that the
original blackmore allegation was that there was no water available to Kramer
to supply the inmates he tortured by thirst. If blackmore has proved anything
ten times over, it is that he was in error.
–YFE
> “Lawyers are like beavers: they get in the mainstream and dam it up.”-
> John Naisbitt.
From [email protected] Sun Oct 6 08:48:28 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Nizkor, why?
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> [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I was shocked to see the sort of degrading (to us all) language that they
> > utilize when speaking of Matt Giwer. Why is this?
> When you’ve finished slogging through the man’s cheap shots, insanity,
> spamming, ridicule, hatred, bizarre hypocrisy, trolling, Jew-bashing,
> and insult after insult after insult after insult after disgusting
> insult — nonsense which has continued for almost nine months — then
> perhaps you’ll understand that intemperate language is quite normal in
> this instance. Matt Giwer would try the patience of a saint, and we
> don’t claim to be saints.
Please note as well, his activities off the newsgroup. After sending me
abusive e-mail Giwer was asked to stop. His reply was the single line “I am tired
of your shit. Fuck off.” To emphasize his disregard of the rights of other he
followed that communication with an e-mail of his anti-Semitic rants. Giwer’
account at Netcom was suspended for this (among other reasons).
Sorry. To call Giwer pond scum is an insult to pond scum.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?
Date: 6 Oct 1996 04:27:07 GMT
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 5 Oct 1996 03:09:36 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Then you are as ignorant as Moran. How dare you claim that you
> >have gone over the IMT transcripts when you have no knowledge of the
case
> >presented at the trial. If you did the research that you claim to have done
you
> >would not make such silly mistakes.
>
> > Read a book, asshole.
>
> Listen up, dickless, There was only one movie. It was fully discussed
in
> this conference. It was made by the US Army.
You are incorrect — as usual. I suggest you read a book or two on the
trial. I suggest you find out what happened in the court-room on February 19,
1946. Perhaps you will also explain why Gilbert in “Nuremberg Diary” devotes
four pages to the reactions of the defendants to the showing of a film that does
not exist.
> Now back to your violation of your oath as an officer of the court, it
> appears it is correct that on Yom Kippur Jews swear not to be bound by any
> oath to a gentile. Otherwise you would be bound by your oath to report my
> “crime.”
As haas been pointed out, you criminal, you are incorrect.
> But you are violating your oath, dickless. Perhaps you need a
refresher
> course in the responsibilities of an officer of the court.
Please give us one. We need a good laugh.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Speaks
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> The littel jew animal Marduk continues his telephone harrassing calls
to me
> and my son’s empolyer. He continues to forge email and netcon.ca
continues
> to permit the email harrassment.
The person who criminally harassed me and my family with obscene
e-mail — and was suspended from his provider for the abuse — now accuses
without evidence another person of committing the crimes he perpetrates
crimes.
Note as well that the criminal does not know who is taunting him but
just knows that it is a Jew.
> Marduk, being the quintessenial holohugger, continues in the activity
they
> all know best. This was best stated by Alec Grynspan when he
acknowledged
> his mail bombing but claimed it was other than mailbombing.
Actually the best statement was from the criminal who, when asked
to stop sending e-mail to me and my family replied “I am tired of your shit. Fuck
off” followed several days later by an anti-Semitic rant.
> BTW holohuggers, expect real soon now an entire website devoted
to
> hologugger attempts to censor the internet. I have enough information now
> to support jewish as the thread of the most common internet abuse. But I
> will be patient to get enough information to make clear even to the
> holohuggers that they can not simply say it is unproven.
It should be noted that the criminal has been suspended from two
internet providers for his abuse.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] writes:
> “Do you have any proof that Germans were tortured in order
> to extract confessions?”
The answer, despite 204 lines of hate propaganda against the allies is:
No, he doesn’t.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Hans Muench testimony:a sick joke
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> Jean-Francois Beaulieu <[email protected]> writes:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > They most certainly did not. “This [Simpson] commission and my own
> > Administration od Justice Review Board found that improper methods had been
> > used to obtain evidence in the Malmedy case. Members of the prosecution
staff
> > testified to the use of stage settings, stool pigeons, and similar measures to
extract
> > evidece. Extreme brutalities claimed by the prisoners, in manifest self-interest,
> > were denied by the prosecution staff and not borne out by other evidence.”
> > (Lucius Clay)
> > The Simpson Report was made public in the early 1950’s. You quote
> > not a word of its findings. There is a simple reason for that. It found that not
> > torture or physical brutality was used.
> So? What you have here is a man (Clay) who decided to deny the charge
> because they were embarassing.
You’re an ignorant idiot. When he made that statement Clay was under
attack for commuting the sentences. Confirming the alleged brutalities would not
have been an “embarassment” but the cornerstone of his defense.
It’s like to say that if I complain about
> a physical agression by someone a week ago my claim is disproved as soon
> you decide to call me a liar. Obviously most of the prosecution staff
> wasn’t interest to back the charges maden by defendants or defense
> lawyers months or years after. But there’s an exception, a military:
> (about Dachau)
Another idiotic statement. The charges were not made years after. They
were made at the trial. Further the prosecution staff admitted to the improper
methods of interrogation.
> “When the chief of the Dachau War Crimes Administration branch, Colonel
> A.H. Rosenfeld, quit his post in 1948 he was asked by newspapermen
> if there was any truth to the stories about the mock trials, at which
> sham death sentences had been passed. He replied: “Yes, of course. We
> couldn’t have made those birds talk otherwise…It was a trick, and it worked
> like a charm.”
Whish is exactly what the Simpson Commission, Clay, and the Justice
Review Board stated. I’m glad you finally agree with the conclusion of everybody
who investigated the matter. Improper tricks were used and the convictions of
those who were subject to those procedures had their sentences commuted.
Sounds like a fairly good procedure.
On the other hand, there is no support in your quotation for physical
torture.
You are still at zero and sinking fast.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re:The Criminal Giwer Tries to Change the Subject
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 6 Oct 1996 04:27:07 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > You are incorrect — as usual. I suggest you read a book or two on the
> >trial. I suggest you find out what happened in the court-room on February 19,
> >1946. Perhaps you will also explain why Gilbert in “Nuremberg Diary”
devotes
> >four pages to the reactions of the defendants to the showing of a film that
does
> >not exist.
> I was unaware that an officer of the court in Pennsylvania can have
> knowledge of a crime and refuse to report it. Please confirm this,
> dickless.
You are unaware of many things. Including what happened in the
Nuremberg courtroom on Februrary 19, 1946.
> Or at least have the honesty to admit that your claim that I have
committed
> a crime is your contrived libel.
After being requested not to send me e-mail the criminal Giwer sent the
following obscene message to me and my family “I am tired of your shit. Fuck
off.” That is harassment by communication. Several days later the criminal
Giwer did so again by sending me and my family and anti-Semitic rant. This is,
again, harassment by communication. The harassment was further ethnic
intimidation under the law of Pennsylvania.
In other words the criminal Giwer is a criminal.
> You constructed your own rock and hard place and put yourself in the
> middle. You have just repeated it.
The only one in a dilemma here is the criminal Giwer.
> You are either libeling me or violating your oath as an officer of the
> court. Or you are not an officer of the court as I have always maintained.
Since there is no such requirement on a lawyer. In fact, a lawyer is
prohibited from reporting crimes under many circumstances, the criminal Giwer is
blowing smoke.
The proof of this is that he has taken no action.
To date the number of “revisionists” who have told the criminal Giwer
that criminal harassment is not part of their program is:
zero.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Oct 7 07:32:46 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Delusional
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> We have been over this.
Translation: the criminal Giwer has lied and now wants everybody to
believe it.
YFE refuses to comply with his oath because he is
> a Jew and does not have to honor his oaths. That is clear from his posts
> in claiming I have committed a crime yet refusing to report me crime as his
> oath as an officer of court requires.
Tranlation: the criminal Giwer does not know what he’s talking about but
expects everybody to believe he does. Please note that the “oath” Giwer claims
exists is in direct contradiction to the Code of Professional Conduct.
[the criminal Giwer’s anti-Semitic rant snipped]
If you disagree with the criminal Giwer, here is the type of obscene
e-mail you and your family can expect to receive:
“I am tired of your shit. Fuck off”
And, to date, not a single “revisionist” has made a comment.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Lies Again
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 6 Oct 1996 03:51:30 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
> >> When you’ve finished slogging through the man’s cheap shots, insanity,
> >> spamming, ridicule, hatred, bizarre hypocrisy, trolling, Jew-bashing,
> >> and insult after insult after insult after insult after disgusting
> >> insult — nonsense which has continued for almost nine months — then
> >> perhaps you’ll understand that intemperate language is quite normal in
> >> this instance. Matt Giwer would try the patience of a saint, and we
> >> don’t claim to be saints.
> > Please note as well, his activities off the newsgroup. After sending me
> >abusive e-mail Giwer was asked to stop. His reply was the single line “I am tired
> >of your shit. Fuck off.” To emphasize his disregard of the rights of other he
> >followed that communication with an e-mail of his anti-Semitic rants. Giwer’
> >account at Netcom was suspended for this (among other reasons).
>
> > Sorry. To call Giwer pond scum is an insult to pond scum.
>
> Let us keep this straight, you are in violation of your oath as an officer
> of the court or you are lying.
What oath, criminal. Please tell me all about it.
Thoise who keep track of such things should note that the criminal Giwer
has never denied that he sent me and my family obscene and anti-Semitic e-mail after
being requersted not to e-mail me.
The number of “revisionists” to date that have disparged such criminal
harassment is:
None.
Draw your own conclusions.
–YFE
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Oct 7 07:32:47 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: The Twelve Year Grace Period / revised
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 5 Oct 1996 04:27:49 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> >> Which begs the question as to why the IMT received so few
> >non-jewish
> >> reports. We are also left to wonder why the jew, non-jew breakout of the
> >> total was not in the literature prior to the change.
> > It was. But then, you have now admitted that you are unaware of
> >the evidence presented at the IMT.
> No need to listen to a dickless oath violater such as yourself.
Please noite that the criminal Giwer does not dispute the fact that he
is ignorant of the evidence presented at Nurember.
Number of “revisionists” who have told the criminal Giwer that criminal
harassment is naughty:
A number less than one.
Draw your own conclusions.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Oct 7 07:32:48 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Speaks
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 6 Oct 1996 15:11:12 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > The person who criminally harassed me and my family with obscene
> >e-mail — and was suspended from his provider for the abuse — now accuses
> >without evidence another person of committing the crimes he perpetrates
> >crimes.
> Report the crime or resign as an officer of the court.
> You can not ethically continue as an officer of the court unless you are
a
> jew … which is redundtant.
Please note that the criminal Giwer does not deny he criminally
harassed me and my family.
The number of “revisionists” who have to date noted that the criminal
Giwer’s violation of the criminal law is part of their debating technique:
Nada.
Draw your own conclusions.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Oct 7 10:05:32 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> > And where is this “special filtering apparatus” mentioned?
> Need it have been mentioned? Use your God-given common sense
> Sometimes there is more than meets the eye……
Yes, if you want us to believe it is not a fabrication. That is called
proof.
I suggest you use your common sense. A man on trial for his life claims
that he thought the water was polluted and could not be used. The evidence
says otherwise. The witness states that he used the material in the camp to
get the water running and that there was no reason thatKramer could not
have done so. The evidence fails on simple cross-examination. Why did
Kramer’s counsel fail to demolish this testimony either with cross-examination or
testimony — which could have come from Kramer — in his case.
The common sense answer is simple. he “special filtration” is a
fabrication.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] writes:
> > > > [email protected] writes:
> > > >
> > > > # [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> > > > ## Q. What was your first impression of Auschwitz when you arrived?
> > > >
> > > > # Whatever his interrogators told him.
> > > I am not familiar with the interview given by Muench. Perhaps you would
care to
> > > post it along with his previous court testimony, so we may all examine it?
> > Then why did you claim it was fraudulent?
> I didn’t say it was fraudulent. You said I said it was fraudulent.
You stated that he said whatever his interrogators told him. That is a
claim that the interview was fraudulent.
You are becoming another Giwer.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Oct 7 19:04:49 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: 1 Question for Milton, Ken, Andrew, Joel, Les, Rich, George, Ron,
and other WPNG Regulars.
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
> >The absence of anti-semitism in Mussolini’s Italy and Franco’s
> >Spain,
> I wouldn’t go so far as to claim that there was an absence of
> antisemitism in these two areas.
The introduction to an excellent cookbook — Edda Servi Machen’s
“The Classic Cuisine of the Italian Jews” (1981) provides an interesting memoir
of Jewish life in pre-war Italy. According to Machen:
“Until the lamentable say of Mussolini’s alliance with Hitler.[1936] our
life in Pitigliano had been as integrated and as happy, or unhappy, as anyone
else’s. By the end of the 1920s the urge to conform was so prevalent among the
Jews of italy that our private schools had closed down to hasten assimilation.
The Jewish children now walked to public school with the other children, played
and did homework with them, made ‘best friends’ with Jews or Christians
depending only on affinities, common interests, and academic capabilities.” . . . .
. By the end of the summer of 1938, right before the reopening of the schools,
the first law against the Jews was issued and enforced: all the Jewish children
were banned from public schools and universities. . . . . . One anti-Semitic law
followed the other and eventually all our civil rights were stripped from us.”
pages 35-36
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:44 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Denial: Like a poisonous weed…
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> I wonder if Justice Jackson could have been talking about some
> words spoken similar to this:
> “The Nuremberg Trials … had been popular throughout the world and
> particularly in the United States. Equally popular was the sentence
> already announced by the high tribunal: death. But what kind of trial
> was this? …The Constitution was not a collection of loosely given
> political promises subject to broad interpretation. It was not a list
> of pleasing platitudes to be set lightly aside when expediency
> required it. It was the foundation of the American system of law and
> justice and [Robert Taft] was repelled by the picture of his country
> discarding those Constitutional precepts in order to punish a
> vanquished enemy.”
> — U.S. President, John F. Kennedy
> John Kennedy, Profiles in Courage (New York: Harper and Row, 1964),
> p.189-190.
> At the very least, Nizkor mentality offers up the statement by
> Jackson as a authority of opinion. And so, here is John F. Kennedy.
> Then there are considerable others that have expressed similar
> words as his.
Actually JFK did *not* state that this was his opinion. In fact, he
specifically states that this was solely a quotation of Taft’s opinion. Too bad you
continue to quote a source without reading it.
It makes you look stupid and dishonest.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Tries to Change the Subject
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> [email protected], a/k/a the criminal Giwer:
> On 7 Oct 1996 13:17:11 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> > After being requested not to send me e-mail the criminal Giwer sent the
> >following obscene message to me and my family “I am tired of your shit. Fuck
> >off.” That is harassment by communication. Several days later the criminal
> >Giwer did so again by sending me and my family and anti-Semitic rant. This is,
> >again, harassment by communication. The harassment was further ethnic
> >intimidation under the law of Pennsylvania.
>
> > In other words the criminal Giwer is a criminal.
> > To date the number of “revisionists” who have told the criminal Giwer
> >that criminal harassment is not part of their program is:
> > zero.
> Keep up your lying, dickless.
Apparently the criminal Giwer is now stating that other “revisionists”
have objected to his illegal shenanigans. I am heartened to hear that not all are so
lost to reason that they approve of the criminal Giwer by their silence. If true — and
since it comes from the criminal Giwer there is no reason to believe it — they have
done so privately. I would have hoped that they would have done so publically. I
will, nevertheless, take the million to one shot that the criminal Giwer is not lying
and amend my statement:
To date the number of “revisionists” who have publically told the
criminal Giwer that criminal harassment is not part of their program is:
Zero.
Draw your own conclusions.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Nazi Persecution and Murder of Polish Priests
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
>
> >Extract from charge number 17 made by the Polish government against
> >the defendants indicted before the International Military Tribunal
> >[Trial of Major War Criminals, Vol. XXXII, p. 134-135]
> >—————————————————————
> I would bet there is very little else behind this “extract” as to
> what the Poles submitted in support of the ‘evidence’ introduced at
> Nuremberg.
Since you are unaware of the evidence that was produced at
Nuremberg, your assertion is nonsense.
Par for the course with you.
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:46 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: DAVID IRVING to tour Australia????
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> [email protected](Zenoink) writes:
> The fact seems to be that Irving has a bad reputation and no one is
> very clear about exactly why. However, having pointed him out as a
> target no one is willing to back off (certainly Irving himself does not
> make it easy to do so.)
> All this just makes me, as a student of social movements, that much
> more interested in understanding exactly how this reputation developed.
> If readers do know something more about the origins of Irving’s
> disrepute I would appreciate your sharing it.
Part of teh reputation might stem from the publicity surrounding his first
libel trial in which he accused a British naval figure of dereliction of duty. Irving’s
behavior during the “Hitler diaries” controversy also left a him with a tattered
reputation as a publicity hound.
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:47 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Lies Again
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> >> Let us keep this straight, you are in violation of your oath as an officer
> >> of the court or you are lying.
> > What oath, criminal. Please tell me all about it.
> The one you took, jew.
In other words the criminal Giwer does not know what he’s talking
about. There is no such provision in any oath and, if it did it would be in flat
contradiction to the Code of Professional Responsibility.
That’s what you can expect from a criminal confronted with his criminal
activity.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > The water was NOT pumped in from the river until FIVE days
> >later, after they had scrounged throughout the camp for equipment. For an
attorney,
> >you really are making yourself look ridiculous here. Go get a cup of coffee,
wake
> >up, read the testimony which confirms what I just told you, and then get back
to me.
> Provide the proper citation for us all. The absence of this particular
> citation and your refusal to do so is becoming telling.
The really strange part is the utter mutability of blackmore’s claim. He
started it, all fire and brimstone, claiming that Kramer was innocent becasue it was
impossible to provide water to the inmates. He is now reduced to the claim that
the British did not supply potable water using the camp’s equipment until five days
after they arrived.
This is nothing more or less than a tacit admission that his original
defense of Kramer is untenable. In the interim he has engaged in baseless
speculation, ipse dixit argument, and ad hominem attacks on those who do not
share his religious beliefs. Altogether a rather pitful performance.
Another Giwer.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] writes:
> The Statements of Judge van Roden were quoted
> from:
> The High Cost of Vengeance, by Freda Utley,
> HENRY REGNERY CO., 1949, Chicago
> Illinois. They concerned public comments
> made by the Judge before the Chester Pike Rotary
> Club on December 14, 1948.
> Be sure to remember this the next time you accuse
> me of never providing sources.
A secondary source. No good.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] writes:
> > > > > “All but two of the Germans in 139 cases we investigated had been
> > kicked
> > > > > in the testicles beyond repair. This was standard operating procedure
> > with
> > > > > our American investigators.”
> > > > That does not appear in the Simpson Report. It is a
fabrication.
> > > > Sorry.
> > > This was stated publicly by the Judge himself and I have the source.
> > Odd that you do not post it. Please cite the page in the Simpson
> > report or to any testimony made under oath in which he made such a
statement.
> It is already posted.
The request was to post his comments in the Simpson Report or
testimony under oath. You have not even quoted him directly. You gave a
hearsay account of a speech before a Rotary Club.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] writes:
> > 3. When you were given a physician’s report, you demanded his raw
> > > > notes.
> >
> > > What I demanded and still demand are the results of the toxicological
> > > tests you claim were conducted upon corpses allegedly gassed at Dachau.
> > > I also demanded the written autopsy reports for the same.
> >
> > blackmore resorts to lying.
> A silly demand: Yale Edeiken says that autopsy reports
> were conducted on people who were allegedly gassed
> at Dachau. Yale also says that toxicological tests were
> undertaken. Yale offered to produce these reports. I asked
> for them. Yale never produced them. Yale now calls me an
> idiot.
Liar. I told you autopsies were performed and toxicological tests made.
They were. You were given a pathologist’s report and told where to find the
original. You have been too lazy to check for yourself.
> blackmore admits that he does not accept a pathologist report.
> > > 5. you told us that you had a
> > > > “reasonable suspicion” and that should be sufficient for anyone.
> I don’t accept his word for anything, less do I accept your word, seeing
> that you stated these reports were undertaken and then refused to post
> them. Why don’t you just say that you have seen unicorns and you will
> produce them as well?
Then prove him wrong. I producd the report of the pathologist and told
you to do your own research.
> The reference was, of course, to his
> > unsupported allegation that the Hoess confession was extracted by torture.
> This has been proven time and time again, but not for
> Yale Edeiken and R. Gandhi. Perhaps they ought to
> double date and discuss strategies.
Nor for the rest of the world. The proof in this case is blackmore’s
“reasonable suspicion.”
> Note: Yale calls himslf a lyer, I mean lawyer.
Note the proven lies of blackmore.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] writes:
> > : What is the relevance of his birth certificate?
> Let’s first prove he existed before we quote from his book. This “witness”
> NEVER testified in front of an allied court. No historian from the west
> ever met him or conducted an interview with him.
You are incorrect. Nysli was known to other physicians at Auschwitz.
Further he gave a deposition in 1945.
> > Perhaps you should produce yours, so we know you exist and are not just a
> > denier bot.
> I haven’t made criminal accusations against people.
You most certainly have. As one example you have, falsely, accused
the investigators of the Malmedy massacre of phsyically torturing German soldiers to
extract confessions.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] writes:
> > :>Prove that I have done this. I ALWAYS provide a source when I am
asked,
> > :>and I NEVER misquote. Prove that I have-this is your chance-you are
now on center
> > :>stage and the spotlight is on you…….
> No. Your general comments do not suffice. Please give explicit
> examples. Do not refer to posts that will take me a while to
> research and for which you have been advised in advance.
You have presented — in quotation marks — a statement allegedly
made by Leroy “the Mace” Van Roden. You have been asked several times for
a citation. You have yet to provide it.
If we take your remarks at face value, you post quotations and then
research them. Most people do it the other way around.
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > > “Do you have any proof that Germans were tortured in order
> > > to extract confessions?”
> > The answer, despite 204 lines of hate propaganda against the allies is:
> > No, he doesn’t.
> You ARE a fool after all. Don’t forget about your “hate
> propaganda ” against germans. It is people like you who
> shall make revisionism an overwhelming success. Keep up the
> good work.
blackmore still does not have any evidence.
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> > Of course they will. In the vain hope that no one will recognize Stumpy’s
> > phoney rubbish, except that it didn’t work. Mr. “Blackmore” is revealing
> > himself as a pretty pathetic researcher. We will soon see how he is in the
> > invective department, likely preceded by a healthy dose of “la vierge
> > offensee”.
> Why don’t you just deal with the documents, rather than stumpy
> or anyone else. This is one of your main faults and your weakest
> points….you NEVER deal with uncomfortable documentation which
> shows you to possess double standards. If the material is false, simply
> say so and prove WHY.
Been there. Done that. The Simpson report says no physical
brutalities were inflicted upon the defendants at the Dachau trials. Those who
signed off on that report include Leroy “the Mace” Van Roden. The authors of
the report were later called before two congressional investigative committees —
one known for its hostility to the War Department — and stuck by their
conclusions under oatth.
You are the one who is claiming that they were incorrect and that Clay
was lying.
Where is your proof?
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> Transports do not equal murder. Many German Jews were deported
> to Riga.
Where they were murdered.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> Walt Hingerty <[email protected]> writes:
> I dont have an agenda. But I am curious about something. What is the
> legal status of Palestinians who are born within the borders of Israel.
They are citizens of Israel.
> Are they considered Israeli citizens?
Yes.
> Are they allowed to vote or serve
> in the military?
Yesw and yes. There are Palestinian members of Israel’s parliament,
the Knesset.
> What is the status of Arabic Christians or Europaen
> Christians who are also born and live in Israel? I have heard that only
> persons of the Hebrew faith have full civil rights in Israel. Is this
> so? Thanks in advance. walt
Whoever told you that is wrong.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: 100 to 0, The Jewish Preference for Odds
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> This is the way the Jews like it. The gang bang technique. Afraid
> to face it one on one or on equal footing.
And who has written this?
The classic coward. The little boy who refuses to stand behind what
he writes.
I have publically stated that T. Moran is a liar and an anti-Semite.
Moran thereafter challenged me to prove it. I accepted.
I offered to prove that Moran was a liar and an anti-Semite before an
impartial tribunal which, by out common agreement could listen to the evidence
and make a decision. Aside from some procedural niceties, the only condition
that I placed on my acceptance was that the loser would pay the cost of the
arbitration including the arbitrator’s fees and transcription costs.
Moran has never answered. Indeed he has lied about it several times.
The next time you read something like this by Moran, pelase remember
that it comes from a coward who does not stand behind the words he writes.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Hans Muench testimony:a sick joke
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> Jean-Francois Beaulieu <[email protected]> writes:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
> >> > The Simpson Report was made public in the early 1950’s. You quote
> >> > not a word of its findings. There is a simple reason for that. It found that
not
> >> > torture or physical brutality was used.
> >> So? What you have here is a man (Clay) who decided to deny the charge
> >> because they were embarassing.
>
> > You’re an ignorant idiot. When he made that statement Clay was under
> >attack for commuting the sentences. Confirming the alleged brutalities would
not
> >have been an “embarassment” but the cornerstone of his defense.
>
> I don’t see it that way.
Sorry, that is the fact.
> A man can be under attack for something he did
> previously and decide to not displease more those who attack him by such
kind
> of confirmation. In all the cases what you state now is that because the prose-
> cution staff denied what the lawyer who were in contact with inmates during
> those trials stated, while it is indirectly or directly ‘friends’ of the
> prosecution which was under attack, then the case is disprooved!
That is an outright lie. In fact, it is several. Clay stated that the
prosecutors denied it (after admitting other irregularities) and that it was not borne
out by other evidence.
> Christie produced an article in The Progressive written by Judge Edward L.
> Van Roden in February of 1949 eentitled “American Atrocities in Germany”
> where van Roden had written: American investigators at the U.S. Court in
> Dachau, Germany, used the following methods to obtain confessions:
Beatings
> and brutal kickings. Knocking out teeth and breaking jaws. Mock trials.
> Solitary confinement. Posturing as priests. Very limited rations. Spiritual
> deprivation. Promises of acquittal. Complaints concerning these third degree
> methods were received by Secretary of the Army Kenneth
> Royall last Spring.
Van Roden signed off on the Simpson Report in which all such
brutalities were denied.
> Was that a false statement?, asked Christie.
> “I could not confirm or deny it,” said Hilberg, “because it’s the first time
> I am looking at it, and I have no independent knowledge of what happened.”
So?
> wrote: This commission, consisting of Judges Simpson and Van Roden, and
Colonel
> Laurenzen had reported among other things that of the 139 cases they had
> investigated 137 had had their testicles permanently destroyed by kicks
received from
> the American War Crimes Investigation team. Hilberg testified that he had not
The report does not say that.
> I cannot have read all the existing stuff on earth about this, there was many
> trials and some transcripts of these ones are as long as 25,000 pages. I
> read some parts of the Farben trial’s transcripts, and some other parts of
> the NMT main trial, plus several books, that’s all. I never read the transcripts
> of the Dachau trial or the Malmedy trials directly. Butz stated that the review
> board confirmed all that Van Roden claimed, taking exception only in respect
> to the frequencies of the brutalities but that in his book ‘Decision in Germany’
> Clay denies the brutalities, in contradiction with his own review board.
Another lie. Clay denies them with the Simpson Report. No one is
asking you to read enite transcripts of trials. The SImpson Report is public. Read
it.
> Your whole point his to say that the prosecution’s word was pure truth or
> that Clay couldn’t have juge that it was not a good approach when there was
> an anti-nazi hystery in the public opinion to not appear as a kind of ‘nazi
> apologist’. So this mean the those people in Nuremberg decided to lie seve-
> ral years after the trials or that the defendant who confessed what was expec-
> ted from them in court lied systematically on a large scale to give a coherent
> story in private conversations with there lawyers? Explain please…
Sure. You have not read the Simpson Report. You have lied about
what Clay said. You have lied about his political posture.
Typical denier.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 8 Oct 1996 22:28:40 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> You mean you are still holding to your position that they all had their
> >> attorneys present during all questioning?
> > Liar. I have never stated that.
> I thought you stated the accused were given fair trials? What that
someone
> else?
Liar. In case you were too drunk to notice we are talking about the
Malmedy trials. I have posted specific statements and government investigations
that indicate that there were irregularities at those trials.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Oct 11 09:07:06 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
>
> (Irrelevant drivel)
> >
> >>>>
> But the lie of 4 million Jewish “gassed” at Auschwitz
> was officially chiseled out of the massive slabs in front
> of the Auschwitz Museum in 1994! Let’s talk about that
> one for a while.
>
>>>>
There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that
4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Ciminal Giwer’s Hot Air
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> Watching the documentary NUREMBERG on the Discovery Channel.
> It was hardly anything approaching a complete record of any kind but
the
> out-takes made some things quite clear. If those charged had defense
> counsel they counsel either slept through the questioning or were not
> permitting to object to leading questions, the prosecutions giving
> testimony, and a host of other things that would result in a successful
> appeal in a fair trial.
> Almost every question shown would result in a sustained objection in a
fair
> trial.
Before someone comments on a subject, it is usually helpful to have
some knowledge. You are, as has been shown here repeatedly, so ignorant of
the law of evidence that your pronoucements are hot air. You are, as has also
been domonstrated, ignorant of the standards of review on appeal. You are, as
has also been demonstrated, also ignorant of the evidence presented at the
trial.
It should be noted, as well, that you fail to giver either a historical or
legal citation for you “opinion.” The reason is simple, you can’t.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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> the criminal [email protected] (Matt Giwer) liers again:
> I guess you are going to first have to direct me to the records of these
> 1.5 million. I asked after such records earlier this year and I was
> informed there were no such records.
The criminal Giwer is lying again. He was told where the records could
be found. He was even told that enlargements of some of them are on display at
the Houston Holocaust Museum. The criminal was told that the records are not
complete. He now chooses to lie about what he was told.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Oct 11 21:07:45 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer is Too Drunk to Know What He is Talking About
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 10 Oct 1996 22:58:21 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) in a thread questioning whether the
Malmedy defendants were tortured:
> >> >> You mean you are still holding to your position that they all
had their
> >> >> attorneys present during all questioning?
> > Liar. In case you were too drunk to notice we are talking about the
> >Malmedy trials. I have posted specific statements and government
investigations
> >that indicate that there were irregularities at those trials.
> Gee, and I was talking about Nuremberg, which you also swore on your
oath
> as an honorable man was a fair trial under the rules of US law.
You are either lying or too drunk to be taken seriously. If you think that
there were reversible errors at Nuremberg please make a case of it. So far you
have posted nothing that an appeals court would even bother considering. You
have stated that your opinion is that no fair trial was given. You have yet to
support this with either full citations of the record or a recitation of legal principle
that would support your contention.
The burden, as in any appeal, is upon you. Please try to present your
position in a coherent manner. Given your criminal tendencies, it might be good
practice for the future.
–YFE
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> [email protected]rldnet.att.net (Matt Giwer) writes:
> >[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> ># When I find out who is making the harrassing phone calls,
> Too bad they have been found, the three jews who have been behind
this.
> You have read the post, have you not? Internic does not lie.
> How about I have their names?
The Criminal Giwer gets in deeper and deeper. At first he states
“When I find out . . . .” Less than a day later he states that “I have their
names.” Perhaps the Criminal Giwer should reveal the names of the persons to
whom he has made death threats. No doubt that post will be as humorous as
the last time he made his unfounded accusations.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > The request was to post his comments in the Simpson Report or
> > testimony under oath. You have not even quoted him directly. You gave a
> > hearsay account of a speech before a Rotary Club.
> >>His speech was quoted verbatim. Live with it.>>
In other words, hearsay. Pure and simple.
There is an official report of Van Roden’s investigations. He also gave
testimony under oath. They both contradict what your secondary source claims
he said. Live with that.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis “admissions”
were secured:
> British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949. _Washington Daily
News_,
> January 9th, 1949,
Written before the public release of the Simpson Report. The quoted
statements are found nowhere in the report.
> Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army
Commission subseqently
> appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.
The Simpson Report found that the allegations of physical brutality
against the Malmedy defendants (and the investigation was limited to those trials)
were unfounded. No medical evidence of such torture was found when the
persons making those allegations were examined.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis
“admissions” were secured:
> Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army
Commission subseqently
> appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.
And the commission found that the allegations of physical brutality
were not true. Van Roden signed off on the report. The report was made public
during Congressional investigations in the early 1950’s. I note that you citer
neither the report or any story from anyone who read the report.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
> > You have failed to present a single fact indicating that Hoess was tortured
> >into giving a confession.
>
> > –YFE
>
> Judge Edward L. van Roden reveals the methods by which Nazis “admissions” were
secured:
Hoess was never held by the Americans. Hoess was never accused of
participating in the Malmedy massacre.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: 12 Oct 1996 13:21:28 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that
> > 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.
> You stepped in it that time. The inscription clearly
> stated that 4 million Jews died in Auschwitz. Whether
> gassed or shot, or from disease, the LIE remains the same.
You are correct: the lie remains the same. In this case the “revisionist”
lie. The placque never stated that “4,000,000 Jews died at Auschwitz.”
It’s very easy to dispute this: quote the placque.
`–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> > >> There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that
> > >> 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.
> > Of course you can point to the page where there is such a reference,
since
> > I could find no page which says there was a massive slab on front of the
> > museum which claimed that 4 million Jews were gassed.
> You are showing yourself more the fool every
> day. The 19 stone tablets referred to 4 million
> Jews who allegedly died there. They need not
> have mentioned gassing. It was a lie any way
> you choose to interpret it. BTW, you may now
> add these 19 stone slabs to the discovery channel,
> WWII magazine, and the Pictorial History of the
> Jewish People–and more is on the way. When
> you walk in the snow, you cannot hide your tracks…..
There was no such placque or series of slabs.
This is just another demonstration of how the “revisionists” lie.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] writes:
> > YFE noted as a matter of fact:
> > > > There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that
> > > >4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.
> For the record there were actually 19 of these
> massive stone slabs in front of Auschwitz which
> publicly had the false figure of 4,000,000 Jewish
> dead chisled out in July 1990.
For the record blackmore is caught in another of his lies. There was never
any representation at Auschwitz that 4,000,000 Jews died there. Note that he
cannot quote the language of such a monument.
Another “revisionist” caught with his honesty around his knees.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
Date: 11 Oct 1996 23:57:07 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected]ess5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> > >> >It must be clearly understood that the entire Holocaust-gassing myths
> > You’ve documented the “torture” of Hoess–the Allies made him sit
> > in a courtroom festooned with U.S. flags. If you have better
> > references, don’t hesitate to post them. In the meantime, perhaps
> > you will refrain from pontificating on what “must be clearly
> > understood”.
> They have been posted many times over. Learn to
> browse a bit.
Yes. Your “evidence” was a “reasonable suspicion.” You have
poste nothing else concerning his treatment at the time he confessed or when
he wrote his memoirs.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Kramer on the half-shell
Date: 11 Oct 1996 23:55:03 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> More of Dan’s equivocating. Typhus was ALWAYS a
> problem in the camps, and the administration was always
> having to contend with it. They did not have the benefit
> of DDT as we did here.
Typhus was a problem because the nazis who ran the camps allowed it
to be a problem. Moreover, the problem of controlling typhus was solved long
before the invention of DDT. The last typhus outbreak in the United States was in
New York City 1921. That is far more of a public health problem than an outbreak
in a confined camp. It was controlled in a matter of weeks. There was no problem
with typhus in POW camps in Germany and Austria in WWI even at the end of the
war when the infrastructure of the central powers was as poor as it was in 1945.
This was also before the development of DDT.
According to the CDC the number of deaths due to typhus in the United
States in the 20th century is: 541.
How many died of typhus in the KZ?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: WAS SS OFFICER KURT GERSTEIN KICKED TO DEATH?
Date: 11 Oct 1996 02:49:14 GMT
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> Jeffrey <[email protected]> writes:
>
> “On April 26th 1945, an American Intelligence team discovered a German
> Civilian living in a hotel at Rottweil in the Black forest. He was Kurt
> Gerstein, a 34 year old mining assessor and former director of the
> Dusseldorf firm, Lihmon-Fuime. Gerstein handed the Americans a statement
> of seven pages, typed in French, together with those gas bills that were
> to appear at nuremberg, and then vanished from history.”
> “It was alleged at the Peters Trial that Gerstein was arrested by the
> French and that he hanged himself in his cell at Fresnes prison in July
> 1945. But Gerstein’s widow was informed by the Red Cross four years
> later that the circumstances of his death in the prison had not been
> established.
> [HE WAS DEAD, BUT HOW?]
Gerstein attempted several times to inform the world as to what was
happening in the extermination camps. Most notably on August 20, 1942, he
attempted to inform Swedish consul Baron Goran von Otter. His efforts to
communicate with the Allies (he was not believed) are well-established by
contemporary documents. Stumpy is wrong as well about his statement, he
typed two statements one in French and one in German. There is no question
about either his mental condition after his arrest or the fact that he committed
suicide.
Several books have been written about Gerstein. The first, in German,
was written by a close firend Helmut Franz (“Kurt Gerstein” Zurich 1964). Later
two biographies were written in French: Saul Friedlander: “Kurt Gerstein — The
Ambiguity of Good” (tranlated and published in English, 1969) and Pierre Joffroy
“A Spy for God — The Ordeal of Kurt Gerstein (tranlated and published in English
1970)
The Gerstein family cooperated with Joffroy. His mental condition and
suicide were described in detail on pages 246-66 of the American edition.
> During the International Nuremberg Trial, Gerstein was considered to be
> alive, and the defence had the right to demand that he be produced in
> court. His unsworn statement could not therefore be produced in
> evidence.
Gerstein committed suicide long before the Nuremberg trials began.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: 12 Oct 1996 04:32:11 GMT
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> >>>> But the lie of 4 million Jewish “gassed” at Auschwitz
> >>>> was officially chiseled out of the massive slabs in front
> >>>> of the Auschwitz Museum in 1994! Let’s talk about that
> >>>> one for a while.
> >
> >[snip]
> Edeiken:
> >>> There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that
> >>> 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.
> >
> >[snip]
> Moran:
> >> You mean the sign that the Simon Wiesenthal page refers to never was?
>
> “Rajiv Gandhi”:
> >Of course you can point to the page where there is such a reference, since
> >I could find no page which says there was a massive slab on front of the
> >museum which claimed that 4 million Jews were gassed.
> Moran doesn’t know anything about a “slab” but he has seen
> references to a before and after.
Then why was he writing about it.
> At one time, not too long a go, a
> sign in from of the Auschwitz grounds that claimed 4,000,000, and a
> sign that is there now as referred to by Simon Wiesenthal, “Responses
> to Revisionist Arguments”, “Question 13”, “For years, the death
> statistics at Auschwitz-Birkenau had been put at well over 3 million.
> recently however a memorial plaque …”.
> Perhaps Simon Wiesenthal just didn’t bother to say there was a
> ‘before’ plaque, only the ‘after’.
In other words SWC never claimed that there was any indication of a
sign, placque or other notation that 4,000,000 Jews were murdered there.
> I believe when Simon Wiesenthal says “well over a 3 million” he
> knows it was 4 million.
What you “believe” is irrelevant. You now admit that SWC never
stated that there was a sign stating 4,000,000 Jews were murdered there.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: 1) MORE ALLIED LIES
Date: 11 Oct 1996 02:07:30 GMT
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> Jeffrey <[email protected]> writes:
>
> Rudolf Hoess
> Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Hoess is often cited as one of the most
> important witnesses to the “Holocaust,” if not the most important. His
> affidavit and testimony were quoted extensively both by the prosecution
> and in the judgment of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg.
Actually Hoess was irrelevant to the prosecution case. He was called as a
witness for the *defense.*
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: “Anti-Semitism”? Then, so be it.
Date: 13 Oct 1996 21:21:29 GMT
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> “Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism”.
> If this means complaining about the Jews killing children,
> bombing civilians in Lebanon and all the rest of the ugly Zionist
> history, then, so be it.
That’s a lie and you know it. Your anti-Semitism has been proved time
and time again by your bigotry and your lies.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > > > There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz
Musuem that
> > > > 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.
> > It’s very easy to dispute this: quote the placque.
> I have the photos.
So have I. Now post the inscription which makes no mention of
4,000,000 “Jews.”
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > For the record blackmore is caught in another of his lies. There was
never
> > any representation at Auschwitz that 4,000,000 Jews died there. Note that
he
> > cannot quote the language of such a monument.
> > Another “revisionist” caught with his honesty around his knees.
> I have the photographs Yale.
Then you know that you are lying when you state that the inscription
states that 4,000,000 “Jews” were “gassed” at Auschwitz.
Post it.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > There was no such placque or series of slabs.
> > This is just another demonstration of how the “revisionists” lie.
> There most certainly was, and I will be glad to send
> a photocopy to anyone who requests it via e-mail,
> but they must provide a “snail mail” address, along with
> postage to cover cost of photcopying and mail.
It is asimple, short inscription. blackmore does not post it. blackmore
will not post it.
The reason is simple. There is no statement that 4,000,000 “Jews” wer
“gassed.”
Just another case of a “revisionist” inventing something so he can lie
about the Holocaust.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:40 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> The People have been here since the moment of the creation. We will
be
> >here after your footprints in the sand have been covered by the Wind.
> Where “Just Moshe” says “we will be here …”, it won’t be him.
> He won’t know nothin about any future Jews and they won’t nothin about
> him. He’ll be long gone.
> For the time being, “Just Moshe” will just be another
> ethnocentrically insane person, clinging to a security blanket that
> will guarantee nothing, only giving him an idiotic and puffed up ego,
> that tells him he is something he’s not. An ego founded on dogmatic
> lies.
Poor l’il tommy. Can’t even figure out who he is talking about.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > > > The request was to post his comments in the Simpson Report
or
> > > > testimony under oath. You have not even quoted him directly. You gave
a
> > > > hearsay account of a speech before a Rotary Club.
> > > >>His speech was quoted verbatim. Live with it.>>
> > In other words, hearsay. Pure and simple.
> > There is an official report of Van Roden’s investigations. He also gave
> > testimony under oath. They both contradict what your secondary source
claims
> > he said. Live with that.
> COVER-UP.
Which, if you are correct, Leroy the Mace, was a part of. About par for
the course for him.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
> I have found no evidence that Kramer was “tortured” by the British, although
> he was ill-treated. I have seen his original statement and it is written in
> English. I think this is far more significant than any abuse. Later he made
> a second statement in which he made “admissions”; this sounds a bit like an
> attempt to plea bargain.
Since I disagree with you so often, I might as well state it when I find
your explanations credible. If you read Segev’s “Soldiers of Evil” and the letter
>from Kramer to his wife from prison, it is evident that Kramer did not quite
understand what the nature of the charges against him. He made the second
statement when under the tutalege of a British barrister.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: blackmore’s Mediaval Science
Date: 13 Oct 1996 22:18:35 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Typhus was a problem because the nazis who ran the camps allowed it
> > to be a problem. Moreover, the problem of controlling typhus was solved
long
> > before the invention of DDT. The last typhus outbreak in the United States
was in
> > New York City 1921. That is far more of a public health problem than an
outbreak
> > in a confined camp. It was controlled in a matter of weeks. There was no
problem
> > with typhus in POW camps in Germany and Austria in WWI even at the end
of the
> > war when the infrastructure of the central powers was as poor as it was in
1945.
> > This was also before the development of DDT.
> > According to the CDC the number of deaths due to typhus in the United
> > States in the 20th century is: 541.
> > How many died of typhus in the KZ?
Rather than dealing with the established scientific facts about typhus,
blackmore decided to try a diversion:
> Again, you distort. From the Army Historical Series,
> Center of Military History, U.S. Government Printing
> Office, 1974:
> “The DP’s, moreover, could not be ignored even
> briefly or in the heat of battle, for they might harbor
> among them a danger to human life, both military
> and civilian, that was potentially GREATER (rb)
> than the war itself-the virus-like micro-organism
> Rickettsia. A benign parasite of the body louse,
> Rickettsia, when it passes from the feces of a louse
> into a human body through a bite or opening in the
> skin, causes typhus, the most feared epidemic dis-
> ease in Europe since the bubonic plague. Napoleon’s
> army in Russia reportedlly suffered more losses from
> Typhus than from combat. During and after WWI,
> an estimated three million persons died from the
> disease in the Balkans and the Ukraine. In WW II,
> a thousand cases had been registered in Naples by
> early 1944. Always serious and frequently fatal, typhus
> is endemic in parts of eastern Europe, When war breaks
> out, it begins to spread; humans carrying the louse, host
> of the disease, provide its transportation. The Germans
> encountered it in their eastern campaigns, and it was
> known to have come into Germany with forced laborers
> and transports to concentration camps. Page 53.
The question, of course, is not whether there was typhus but whether it
can be easily controlled without DDT. The fact, of course, is that it could have
been controlled with the resources Kramer had on hand. It could.
The outstanding authority on typhus was Hans Zinsser. Writing in 1934
(before the development of DDT) Zinsser wrote about WWI:
“Among the most remarkable phenomena of the war in the total
absense of typhus from the western front . . . .Trench fever, closely related to
typhus was common.” — (“Rats. Lice, and History” page 298)
“The Central Powers, realizing that a typhus epidemic, introduced with
troops transferred from the East, would lose them the war, took the utmost
precautions to avoid this. And army sanitary organizations, in all the forces, were
ever concious of the possible peril, alert for suspicious cases, and ususally quick
to resort to wholesale delousing.” (ibid, page 299)
“It [typhus] florished as usual in all the Eastern armies, but was kept, by
extraordinary effective sanitary meausres — bathing and delousing — within
reasonable bounds among the Austrians and Germans. Though it penetrated into
the prison camps in Central Europe, it was successfully prevented from spreading
to the civilian populations.” (ibid, page 298)
“In Russia alone did typhus attain its mediaval ascendancy. . . . . . From
then [1916] on, for obvious reasons, figures are unreliable, but there is question
that the disease increased steadily and rapidly. Revolution, famile, epidemics of
cholera, typhoid, and dysentery, helped. There are no words to record the
dreadful sufferings of the Russian people from 1917 to 1921. We are concerned
with typhus alone. And from the careful and conservative calculations of
Tarassewitch, it is likely that, during these years, there were no less, and probably
were more than twenty-five million cases of typhus in the territories controlled by
the Soviet Republic, with from two and one-half to three million deaths.” (ibid,
page 299)
Thus the great expert on typhus (his work after “Rats, Lice, and
History” was written explained the origin of typhus epidemics) makes two things
clear. Where there were adequate sanitary measures, typhus was controlled.
Where there were not such measures taken, such as in the Soviet Union in the
period 1917-1921, typhus spread. Even in urban situations — such as Italy after
WW II and New York in 1921 — which are much harder to deal with that a
confined camp such as the KZ, it is possible to control an epidemic without much
spread.
DDT was not necessary. The will to control the typhus was all that was
required. Kramer did nothing.
Guilty as charged.
From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:43 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Nazi “Confessions” Given Under Torture
Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:17:37 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> > > Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army
> > Commission subseqently
> > > appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.
> > The Simpson Report found that the allegations of physical brutality
> > against the Malmedy defendants (and the investigation was limited to those
trials)
> > were unfounded. No medical evidence of such torture was found when the
> > persons making those allegations were examined.
> I wonder why the Judges actual comments were
> deleted from the report? Could it have been a
> COVER-UP?
Your evidence that such comments were deleted are?
By the way, since you ahve done so much research on Leroy the
Mace that you know what his unpublished comments are, perhaps you will be so
good as to tell us how he came by his nickname?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:06:58 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> >
> your assertion is as full of shit as you are.
> No. It is you who are full of the brown substance, and
> you seem to be regurgitating it through your mouth. The
> proof that Hoess was tortured comes from the man who
> captured and tortured him, Mr. Clarke. He said it. He
> did it. He was proud of it. And it can be verified that he
> did indeed capture Hoess.
He certainly did. ANd he stated he shoved a “torch” (which I take to be a
flashlight) down his throat. It is hard to describe this as “torture.”
Your continual denial of this
> fact is only hurting your own reputation. Also, in Soviet
> hands, Hoess must have fared much worse treatment,
I.e. We’re back to a “reasonable suspicion.”
> Hoess’s head the whole time he was at Nuremberg, as his
> family was living in the british occupation zone. Hoess was
> tortured. Live with it. Or deny it. Either way, you come
> out the worse.
We are demanding that you present something more than ambiguous
hearsay and reasonable suspicions.
Apparently that is the extent of your “proof.”
–YFE
From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:45 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> > You’ve documented the “torture” of Hoess–the Allies made him sit
> > in a courtroom festooned with U.S. flags. If you have better
> > references, don’t hesitate to post them. In the meantime, perhaps
> > you will refrain from pontificating on what “must be clearly
> > understood”.
> The details of the torture of Hoess come directly
> from the mouth of the man who captured and
> tortured him-Bernhard Clarke.
Actually the account you gave stated that Hoess was roughed up when
captured by the British. He gave no statement to the British.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:46 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: 14 Oct 1996 01:07:40 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > > > > > >> There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz
Musuem that
> > > > > > >> 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.
>
> After researching the article, it mentions 4 million people
Correct. Ergo your statement was incorrect. Too bad you don’t have
the guts to admit it,
…I
> believe you will agree that Jews are people, and that the
> overwhelming majority of alleged fatalities at Auschwitz were
> Jewish?
The majority of the people murdered at Auschwitz were Jewish. The
inscription was written to minimize this fact. It specifically did not refer to
Jews.
> There most certainly is, or was. There were in fact 19 of them,
> so the lie of 4 million dead at Auschwitz could be repeated 19
> times in 19 different languages, to deceive people from 19 other
> countries all around the world.
But there is no reference to either “Jews” or to “gassing.” The fact is
that it was not meant to the refer to Jews.
> This is just another example of how “exterminationists”
> deny the facts even when they are flaunted directly in
> their face.
You are the one who made the inaacurate statement.
> No. Refer to F. Piper, for it was he who ordered that the inscriptions
> be chiseled out and replaced at a later date, after the findings of
> an “International Commission”.
Which was prompted by compaints about the manner in which the
murder of Jews at Auschwitz was minimized by the authorities.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Oct 14 08:45:34 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: 4 million lies
Date: 14 Oct 1996 01:01:54 GMT
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> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
> I’m not familiar with this term, Mr. Moron, I looked in my Giwerese
> dictionary, but couldn’t find it there either.
> What is a prejury? And if it *is* a word, is there also a postjury?
Oddly enough there is such a word. In terms of double jeopardy,
“jeopardy” only attaches when the jury is sworn in. “prejury” is used to describe
events that took place before the oath is given. Example: “The prejury
comments of the judge to the jury panel are irrelevant.”
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Oct 14 08:45:35 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Goo-wir and Kurtsie play ping-pong
Date: 13 Oct 1996 22:19:25 GMT
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> [email protected] (pgroff) writes:
> How quaint that Kurtsie and Goo-wir play the game, just that neither
> is really very bright.
In this case, the game could be called solitaire.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Hans Muench testimony:a sick joke
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Van Roden signed off on the Simpson Report in which all such
> >brutalities were denied.
>
> Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis “admissions” were secured:
No. He did not. His report was the Simpson Report. Look it up, Giwer.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Oct 14 08:45:36 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
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> [email protected] writes:
> rblackmore writes:
> The “whys”, “hows”, and “how many” have not been answered to
> my satisfaction. It also does not help when people like Yale Edeikin
> claim that Dr. Larson examined deceased inmates from Dachau and
> claimed that they died from cyanide poisoning.
You were given the conclusions of Larson’s reports.
> Mr. E. also claimed
> that toxicological tests were conducted and that they proved death
> resulted from gassing.
I claimed that Larson based his conclusions on toxicological reports.
> However, when I repeatedly requested copies
> of both the autopsy and toxicological reports, he referred me to comments
> made by Larson without any forensic reports to prove his statements.
Liar. i told you where you couild find his report. You did not ask for
“autopsies” you asked for his raw notes which are, as matter of practice, destroyed
by any competnet pathologist after the final report is given. Larson’s statements
*are* a “forensic report.”
You might not like it but there is not a court in the western world theat
would say otherwise or even bother to note your objections for the record.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Vergasungskeller BITES THE DUST!
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> # Ooh goody! I can’t wait. More debunking of that filthy
> # piece of lying, Jewish excrement known as the “Holocaust.”
> # I can’t wait until 1997. Fun, fun!
> Someone willing to help this person? He seems to be in
> serious trouble.
I checked with the Tampa newspapers. “The Three Faces of Eve”
was shown locally just before “Just Moshe” appeared and “Kurt Stele”
reappeared.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer Admits Stumpy Lies
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 11 Oct 1996 02:07:30 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> Jeffrey <[email protected]> writes:
> >> Rudolf Hoess
> >> Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Hoess is often cited as one of the most
> >> important witnesses to the “Holocaust,” if not the most important. His
> >> affidavit and testimony were quoted extensively both by the prosecution
> >> and in the judgment of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg.
> > Actually Hoess was irrelevant to the prosecution case. He was called
as a
> >witness for the *defense.*
> A dozen or more solid posts and a jew traitor can only find one to
respond
> to.
Yup. That’s about all Stumpy and his spams are worth.
One line and I proved that the basic thesis of his post is based on
shoddy research.
And all the Criminal Giwer can do is call names. Apparently he realizes
how bad Stumpy’s spams are.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > > > Exactly. Now prove it. Start with the Simpson Report and
prove that it
> > is
> > > > in error.
> > Van Roden was one of the authors of the Simpson Report. He Signed
> > off on it.
> The Simpson report was a cover-up, plain and simple.
> Compare the report with what the Judge said at the
> Rotary Club.
The schlemiel now annouces his standard of proof:
1. Ignore what the man wrote.
2. Ignore what the man said under oath.
3. The real evidence can be found in a hearsay account of a speech
before the Rotary.
Even for those who don’t know the truth about Leroy, this is hilarious.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
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> [email protected] writes:
>
> > >Which do you refer to? BTW, Edeikin claimed such
> > >reports exist and he had access to them. I do not
> > >say that I have such reports concerning the Soviets.
> > >This being the case, what IS your point?
>
Liar. I presented you with the conclusions of a forensic pathologist and the
place where his complete report could be found.
Again, Yale E. made a
> claim that he had access to toxicological reports which would
> prove that victims died from cyanide poisoning at Dachau.
> I did not claim that these people were gassed. So, it is up
> to him to now put his money where his mouth is.
Liar. I claimed they were part of the Congressional Record. Look them up
for yourself.
You will not, of course. You asked for forensic evidence. You received it.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Vergasungskeller BITES THE DUST!
Date: 15 Oct 1996 01:54:39 GMT
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> Keith Morrison <[email protected]> writes:
> Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> > I checked with the Tampa newspapers. “The Three Faces of Eve”
> > was shown locally just before “Just Moshe” appeared and “Kurt Stele”
> > reappeared.
> There is some debate over whether MPD is a genuine phenomenon. Then
again
> there is some debate over whether Giwer has a functioning neuron.
On the other hand, knowing that would assume some medical
knowledge. Remember this is the Criminal Giwer we are talking about. That is the
character who once quoted an old movie about Richard II as a reference for his
epidemiology.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Will the real Bellinger please stand up?
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> [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
> >> >Let’s start by identifying ourselves. I’m Gord McFee.
> >> Welcome, Gord. I’m Mike Curtis.
> >Hello, Mike, hello, Gord. I’m Keith. Or maybe I’m John Morris.
> >Or am I Ken this week?
> Hilary is Ken this week – but she won’t say which Ken, so you
> could be Ken but not Ken, or Marduk could be you, being one
> Ken but not the other Ken.
> Laura was one Ken last week, and Gordon, playing Mike being
> Annie pretending to be Sara, was the other Ken, and neither
> one spoke to either Moran.
> Of course, it’s entirely possible that the Laura being one of
> the Ken’s last week was in fact Gordon playing Annie playing
> Mike pretending to be Hilary’s sister’s cat.
> Koo koo ka choo, I am the Jamie.
And all of you think that you’re “Marduk.”
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Oct 14 22:46:55 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: blackmore Still Doesn’t Get It
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> [email protected] writes:
> I am afraid that you don’t remember the dialogue
> clearly, Mr. Harmon. Please go back and refer
> to the posts.
Perhaps you should do so.
> What I eventually PROVED was that
> the British TRUCKED in potable water from their
> own military FIELD KITCHENS
You proved nothing. Somebody else posted the testimony. Further
there was no such statement. The British stated they used water carts from their
field kitchens to bring water to the camp. There was no statement as to where the
water came from.
and that water
> from the river was pumped in five days later.
Wrong again. The testimony was that, using the equipment at the
camp, they were able to completely supply potable water from the river to the entire
camp in five days. This implies that partial supplies were available sooner.
> My final observation was that Kramer realized
> the overwhelming conditions existing in the camp
> and then embarked upon the solution he thought
> best for the welfare of the inmates:
He let them die of starvation. He let them die of thirst. He let them die of
preventable disease. He did not try to feed them. He did not try to give them
water. He take elementary sanitation or health measures.
Some solution.
He was a murderer.
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 15 07:58:34 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: 15 Oct 1996 00:39:19 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> Too bad you don’t have
> > the guts to admit it,
> I just did, cousellor….it was an error, not a lie, like the 4 million……
The first time, it was an error. You repeated it several times even
claiming you had a picture to prove what it said.
> > believe you will agree that Jews are people, and that the
> > > overwhelming majority of alleged fatalities at Auschwitz were
> > > Jewish?
> > The majority of the people murdered at Auschwitz were Jewish. The
> > inscription was written to minimize this fact. It specifically did not refer to
Jews.
> That is the most pathetic explanation I have ever read. Of course,
> the Pictorial History of the Jewish people reprinted this 4 million
> figure year after year after year…..
In fact, that is what Poles were taught. The “Jewish” pavillion was not
on the tour except for Americans and Jewish groups.
> > But there is no reference to either “Jews” or to “gassing.” The fact is
> > that it was not meant to the refer to Jews.
> Liar.
You simply do not know what you are talking about. I checked with a
noted Pole over the weekend. Both he and his translator confirmed that Poles
were never taught that Jews died at Auschwitz. All reference was to “Polish
citizens.”
> What was inaccurate?
That the monuments referred neither to Jews or to gassing.
> The fact that the monuments claimed
> 4 million human beings died at Auschwitz? Though it did not mention
> gas, please enlighten us counselor–how did the Auschwitz museum
> represent these alleged millions of Jewish deaths over the past
> 45 years?
The ignored them.
> Please do, because I am waiting to post something written by
> the Auschwitz State Museum…..Go ahead, make my day……
Oh dear, another threat to post something in the near future.
> > Which was prompted by compaints about the manner in which the
> > murder of Jews at Auschwitz was minimized by the authorities.
> Minimized?! Four million wasn’t enough?
No reference to Jews. Live with it. The Poles were taught, correctly,
that approximately 25% of the population of Poland was killed by your nazi heroes.
They were never taught that 90% of Polish Jews were murdered; the word “Jew”
was never mentioned in their histories or in their classrooms.
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 15 07:58:35 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] writes:
> You have the photos? From where?
Matthew Monroe.
From [email protected] Tue Oct 15 07:58:35 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it…
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> [email protected] writes:
>>>>
> First tell me why you lied about the British and
> their water supply to Belsen, and then tell me why
> you are ignoring the lies of Ada Bimko.
To be blunt about it. I have not dealt with your extract from Bimko’s
testimony because, clearly, nothing you posted showed she was lying. You posted
an extract in which, under cross examination, imprechment by prior inconsistent
statement was attempted. Unfortunately she denied having made the previous
statements for which impeachment was attempted. You presented nothing to
indicate that she had made the previous statement.
On a scale of 1-10: about a 2.
Call her a liar on final argument and I am on my feet objecting. Then you
have the problem of a judge telling the jury to ignore what you are saying. If that
happens you are, on the same scale, at -1.
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 15 07:58:36 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
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> [email protected] writes:
> > Liar. i told you where you couild find his report. You did not ask for
> > “autopsies” you asked for his raw notes
> Larson’s statements
> > *are* a “forensic report.”
> You are the liar. I asked from day one for the reports
> as soon as you made the mistake of telling me they
> existed. Where are they? I read what Larson said
> and I do NOT accept his opinions without the proof
> to confirm it.
And you were told from day one where to find them.
> > You might not like it but there is not a court in the western world theat
> > would say otherwise or even bother to note your objections for the record.
> Liar, again. In a murder case, if such toxicological reports
> were taken, they are submitted. Now, where are they?
Never. In fact, it would be reversible error to submit them to a jury. You
may, if you were not such a lazy, lying jerk look them up yourself. You have been
told both where they are and how to find them.
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 15 07:58:37 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Interesting
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> [email protected] (EE) writes:
> On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 23:51:48 -0700, [email protected] (Rajiv K.
> Gandhi) wrote:
> >[email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
> >> Watching the documentary NUREMBERG on the Discovery Channel.
To which Rajiv Ghandi replied:
> >During a cross-examination, a witness is implicitly hostile. Leading
> >questions are not only allowed but required. Leading questions of a witness
> >on direct examination are not acceptable, although only discarded if
> >objected to. However, if the witness is a hostile witness, then yes indeed,
> >leading questions are permissible.
> Excuse me, holohugging asshole, this was direct examination.
> Other than that, you have a case.
The documentary was shown again Sunday night, All of the
examinations shown, with one exception, were cross-examinations of the
defendants.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it…
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> [email protected] writes:
> > > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > > > > [email protected] writes:
> > > >
> > > > > True enough. That is why I always try to confirm
> > > > > the sources before I post. if there is any room for
> > > > > doubt, I will come right out and say so at the time
> > > > > of posting,
> > > > Then please tell us what research you did on Leroy the Mace before
you
> > > > decided to ignore his written statements and rely on a hearsay account
of a
> > > > speech he made.
> Thats “scholar”, not scholor, Chuck.
You still haven’t told us about your research on Leroy. Why don’t you
tell us how he got his nickname?
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 15 09:45:51 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Never. In fact, it would be reversible error to submit them to a jury.
You
> > may, if you were not such a lazy, lying jerk look them up yourself. You
have been
> > told both where they are and how to find them.
> Liar. they don’t exist or they would have been
> published years ago.
They were. That’s how I found them.
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Oct 15 09:45:52 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > > [email protected] writes:
> > > You have the photos? From where?
> > Matthew Monroe.
> And?
There is no “and.” You asked where I got the photographs. He was
the source.
–YFE
