Matt Giwer writes:
> [email protected]
> On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 00:27:07 -0700, Brian Harmon <[email protected]>
wrote:
> >Matt Giwer wrote:
> >> And of course the physical evidence of Dresden does not require one
bit of
> >> personal testimony. However, for the steaming alive stories that is all there
> >> is to support the yiddish holocaust.
> >What physical evidence is this?
> >As of yet, i’ve seen no evidence for this Dresden ‘firebombing.’
> Are you claiming you have never seen the bombsight films of it
happening and of
> course they are traceable by records by reel number to flight number.
Nope. Never saw them. You said they might exist. Where are they?
Further you have stated that no testimony would be required to explain
the, All they would show is some Euopean city is being bombed (assuming it was
not a well done model — the CIA is very good at that sort of thing). There would be
nothing to show show that the planes weren’t bombing some other city entirely.
Conclsuion: you have not met the standards you have set.
> Are you claiming you have never heard of personnel assignments to
planes and
> planes assigned to the raid?
Nope. Produce them. Further produce the physical evidence
connecting them to the bomb phots you have never produced. Remember they
must indicate this without the aid of testimony.
Conclusion: Giwer flunks again.
> Are you claiming you have never seen the damage assessment films?
Nope. There might be pictures of Dresden after it was destroyed.
Those pictures are consistent with a great fire (Chicago 1876, San Francisco
1903) There is nothing to connect it to an alleged bombing raid. rember the
evidence must stand on its own without the aid of testimony.
Conclusion: Giwer can’t prove anything.
> Are you claiming there are no inventory records connecting the bomb
types to the
> raids?
Airplanes carried bombs? Wow! What a revelation! How does this
prove those bombs were dropped on Dresden? Remember by your standards the
records that airplanes carried bombs mus prove that they were dropped on
Dresden with the aid of other testimony.
Conclusion: Giwer thinks airplanes carried bombs proves that Dresden
was bombed.
> Are you claiming the planning documentation and minutes of the
planning meetings
> do not exist?
I’ve never seen it post it here. The you had explain how proving that
somebody planned to bomb Dresden proves that Dresden was bombed. I would
alos note that I produce minutes of planning meetings and other documentation on
how MacClellan would outfox Lee by moving up the Penisula.
Conclusion: Giwer thinks that Little Mac beat the hell out of Lee.
> People are not needed at all to document what happened. In fact
witnesses do
> nothing more than add color.
As noted above, you are blowing smoke.
> Now compare all of that to the complete lack of any films of people
geing
> gassed, the lack of records of people being gassed, the lack of any inventory
> being assigned to gassing and the lack of everything else but people who claim
> to have witnessed it but who report the impossible.
All ofwhich are far more documented than your idiotic bombing of
Dresden which, by the standards you set clearly never happened.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Ken McVay, common lying holohugger
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:27:48, [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
> >Who would hire him, and why?
> Who would I apply to and why?
The local MacDonald’s. Because that’s about the limit of your talent.
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> > If you have some reason to to factually doubt the Doctors reports then
> > do so. Insinuations and suggestions do nothing here. You have doubts
> > based on flimsy reasoning. So far all you have provided here is the
> > flimsy suggestions of missing notes. We do have his actual reports.
> > Possibly that was all the military ordered him to write. Since you are
> > SO concerned why don’t you check into his original orders and the
> > procedures he was working under at the time. The military always has
> > procedures.
> > Because his notes do not
> > exist, this means you will try to claim he wasn’t honest in his final
> > reports that was written at the time.
> I think this is a good enough reason for doubting the man’s testimony.
BZZZT. Wrong. It is standard procedure to destoy notes after a final
forensic report is rendered.
> These
> charges are so GRAVE that it is necessary to prove them completely and
beyond
> reasonable doubt.
Which is done by a final forensic report. Read it. Deal with it.
> I do not know whether his reports were accurate or not-what do
> I have to measure them against?
Since you have not even bothered to read his report, you, of course,
have no knowledge of it.
You know as well as I do that “experts” all have
> different opinions. One “expert” will testify for the prosecution, and then
another
> “expert” will testify for the defense. What separates the two is the independent
> forensic testing which in this case is missing. Not only are the notes missing,
but so
> is the toxicological tests. This is not “flimsy”.
Sorry. The notes of a forensic expert are not available for
cross-examination. What makes you think that the toxilogical reports (which were
rendered by a laboratory in Paris) were not part of his report?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: 99% of the story, 99% wacked out
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> As becomes evident on studying the validity of the Holocaust
> story, 99% of it is told by eyewitness testimony.
That is incorrect.
> When reviewing eyewitness accounts, it becomes evident that 99%
> of these testimonies are wacked out.
That is incorrect.
> Posted here are a few comments released by Ingrid Rimland.
> Stuff in ( ) is Moran’s commentary.
Who states that her opinion was that Hitler is the greatest man who ever
walked the face of the earth. Apparently Moran agrees with her.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> Science is not about creating the plausible explanation. It is about
getting it
> right.
If so, then Matty poo hardly qualifies as one who beleives in science.
He claimed that the tape of Himmler’s speech at Posen was a forgery. When
challenged to submit his idea to scientific testing, he ran like a man with dystentary
on his way to the bathroom.
Matty poo still has not given an answer — either positive or negative to
the challenge.
That is not an opinion. That is a fact.
Why is Matty poo afraid to have his ideas put to a scientific test? Is it
because he is aware that he is a fraud?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] wrote to M. Giwer, a liar and a fraud:
> And I “made up” an autistic son just to taunt you, right?
> Giwer, you are just about the biggest horse’s ass I have ever had the
> displeasure to meet.
> You’re such a BAD liar too.
Maybe if you ask Matty poo, he will invade your privacy and harrass you
family with such e-mailed gems as:
“I am tired of your shit. Fuck off.” (e-mailed to me by Matty poo 19 August
1996)
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> Excuse me. It did not happen. Is that clear enough? You are invited to
post
> cases of the removal of citizenship or laws requiring same.
He already did.
> Because jews were citizens and remained citizens.
Wrong. Jews were stripped of all rights of citizenship. The Nuremberg
laws are so well-known that only an ignoramus like you would even question that.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: A Lame Nazi Apologetic (Re: The SS-Guilty as Charged?)
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> [email protected] writes:
> I have seen photos of prisoners in 1945 who look relatively well fed at
> both Dachau and Buchenwald.. They
> are available and I think you are aware that they are available.
Where are they available. I have seen both photographs and film
footage from George Stevens and William Mellor. None show anything like
what you state.
> Concerning the german civilians you refer to-with whom am I to compared
them
> with-the people who died from typhus, dysentery, etc., or those prisoners who
> were not struck by these diseases and still looked relatively healthy?
No one but you has seen such pictures.
You are still
> attempting to utilize arguments which are directly associated to a time when
living
> conditions in the camps, for a number of reasons of various complexity, were
> out of control. This is not fair. BTW, I have indeed seen the photos and films
> from Buchenwald and they are horrifying. I imagine that if the USA was
bombed
> as extensively on the west coast, as Germany was by the allies, the
Japanese
> we incarcerated would have ended up the same way as the unforunates at
> Buchenwald.
What you neglect to add is that the those holding them prisoner and
the civilians in the surrounding areas did not end up that way.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> I don’t “wonder” why you (“we”) call me “anti-Semite”.
> It’s because you can’t come up with anything else.
No, asshole. It’s becasue you *are* an anti-Semite.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
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> [email protected] writes:
> > Then why have you not looked them up?
> I was under the impression that they do not exist, or cannot be traced.
Who ever gabve you such an impression? Giwer?
> If this
> is untrue, and they do indeed exist, I would be most interested in reading them.
> Are you saying that the toxicological tests are available, as well as the original
> written autopsy reports?
Please get something through your thick skull. The autopsy report *is*
the report that was rendered. You have been asking for his notes. Those do not
constitute a final report. The standard practice among forensic experts is to
destroy preliminary notes when a fial report is given. The toxicological tests were
given as a table at the conclusion of the report.
Now stop making a Giwer of yourself and READ HIS REPORT.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> > The difference — which you refuse to recognize — is that the
> >people who you are talking about are not “illegal immigrants.” They are
> >Danish citizens either by birth or because they obtained that citizenship
> >by legal means.
> The problem is that they have a Danish citizenship without being Danes or
> closely related to the Danes.
No. The problem is that they have an established right under Danish
law. The fact that they are citizens of Denmark makes them Danes.
> >To arbitrarily
> >revoke such citizenship on the basis of ethnic origins is a violation of
> >their human and legal rights.
> Then those laws that grant them those legal rights have do be repealed.
> Furthermore who says that the socalled human rights represent something
> absolute or God given. If they do not fit into the political reality they
> have to be modified accordingly or abandoned if necessary.
Yes. All laws which give people basic rights which which you
disagree should be “repealed.” Just like in the Third Reich, nazi-boy. Just like
the NA wants to do in the United States.
I wonder if you realize that each time you open your mouth you dive
deepr and deeper into the brown stuff.
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > If you expressed such an opinion, you would never get to sit on a jury. In
> > my limited experience (I specialize in medical malpractice where such testimony
is
> > required by law) the juries listen quite attentively when a medical expert gives
his
> > opinion. I have found it virtually useless to attack an expert using the method
you
> > propose.
> How do you know that I have not sat on a jury?
I don’t; you could have lied. I know the questions asked of the panel in
case where there is expert testimony. If you gave answers to them consistent with
your statements here you would be stricken for cause. I am also very familiar with
the instructions given to a jury about expert medical testimony. If you made a
decision consistent with your answers here you would have ignored those
instructions.
Aside from that, I still believe the
> original documents are required in this instance. I simply can not take someone’s
word
> for it.
You are making a Giwer of yourself. You are setting up an idiosyncratic
standard then complaining that no-one complied with it 50 years ago. The counsel
(both sides) and the judges at Nuremberg were constrained by standard legal theory
and rules of evidence governed by Article 19 of their charter. The later trials,
including the one at which Larson testified, were governed by U.S. stanrdards of
evidence and proof. No one knew that 50 years late you would strike out on your
own and invent some new standards of evidence and proof unknown to our legal
system.
And if the allies were indeed prosecuting nazis for war crimes, it only stands to
> reason that this would be a CRUCIAL piece of evidence toward actually
PROVING that
> people were killed by the use of cyanide.
Which is why they presented the report and testimony of a rcognized
forensic pathologist.
I mean no offense, but your comments
> do not make sense. Of course juries DO listen to the opinions of medical doctors,
> but in a CRIMINAL case, the introduction of autopsy and toxicological
> reports are an absolute require-
> ment. If not-why bother with the coroner?
BZZZT. The “coroner” is, in most places, an elected official charged with
the investigation of deaths. He is frequently not a physician and does not do the
autopsies. This varies from place to place, of course, but for example our local
coroner (his office is across the stret from mine) is *not* a pathologist, he is not even
a physician.
In this case the medical report was that of Larson. For all purposes
whatsoever it is exactly what you are *now* asking for. I know of no case (and my
experience is primarily civil) where the raw notes are introduced. In fact, Federal
Rule of Evidence 703 (I have posted its text several time) is specifically designed to
permit testimony such as Larson’s *without* the documents that you claim are an
“absolute requirement.” What is required is the testimony of an phsyician “to a
reasonable degree of medical certainty.” You have that.
Now stop playing Giwer and read what Larson has to say.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> >william c anderson ([email protected]) wrote:
> >: Hilberg is not a historian…why? Because you say so? If you intend
> >: to assert that he’s not an historian because his degree was in political
> >: science, it’s going to be difficult to take you seriously.
> >Furthermore, Hilberg explicitly says what he is doing in his introduction.
> >He explains that he is writing about the Holocaust from the Nazis’ own
> >point of view; thta is, he examined documents written by the Nazis and
> >reports what he found. If a political scientist is not supposed to
> >examine the workings of a government by examining the documents it
> >leaves behind, just what is it that he’s supposed to do?
> At least you agree he is not a historian. So what is your point in
posting?
No, Matty poo, he said the opposite. Hilberg is a historian. You, on the
other hand, are a liar and a fraud.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Can Giwer Get Anything Right? — Not Yet
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> For the lurkers, the method of establishing cyanide poisoning is the
mascerate
> (blender set on puree) a known weight of body tissue; liver is preferred.
> Pre-death weight is estimated; for quckly discovered death it is the same as the
> scale weight. Cyanide compounds are then precipitated from the puree and
> weighed. The fraction of cyanide to body weight is calculated and compared
to
> known lethal ratios per pound of living body weight.
For the lurkers: this is the method for determining cyanide poisoning
through ingestion. When there has been ingestion the tissues of the body absorb
cyanide. It is *not* the determination used when the cyanide poisoning is
gaseous. In that case there is no absorbtion into body tissues. The proper
method to determine cynanide poisoning through gas is analysis of lung tissue.
Lung tissue is rarely affected by maggots. Nor, where there is cyanide present in
the lungs is it neccessary to compute a lethal dose through body weight. The
presence of cyanide on lung tissue is determinative.
Sorry Matty poo, you looked in the wrong section of the book. An “F”
in toxicology.
Was it deliberate?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Derek Bell) writes:
> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> > Mr.Anderson will always give it his ‘best’.
> Well, he knows the difference between a singular and a plural –
> something that seems to have escaped you.
When l’il tommy gets this through his thick skull maybe he will devote his
time
to that other fascinating question:
“What are lox?”
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer’s Catechism of Lies
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) vomits on truth again:
> You mean that includes the harrassing phone calls I get from
holhuggers?
FACT: You have not demonstrated that you have received any. You
have libelled both myself and McVay by stating that we made such calls. A
complaint has been forwarded to notcom about these outrageous statements.
> Does that include the admitted mailbombing of me by holohuggers like
Alec
> Grynspan, ex-employee of a murdering organization run by a murdering country?
FACT: Whatever Grynspan did or did not do, you lied about it. You
claimed to netcom that it was done at Nizkor’s instigation.
> Does that include harrassing my service providers and the cheering
when I was
> asked to leave my last ISP? That was the obvious objective, an attempt to
> silience what holohuggers do not want to hear?
FACT: You service providers were never harrassed. People complained
because you violated your terms of agreement. As far as netcom is concerned all
complaints went to a group that they have established to deal with such
complaints. None of the complaints were about your political orientation. All were
about your illegal and improper activities.
One example of this was the repeated abusive e-mails you sent to me.
Although asked several times to stop your reaction was (and this is your complete
e-mail sent on 19 August 1996: “I am tired of your shit. Fuck off.”
Both I and netcom considered this a statement that, although requested
to stop, you would continue to violate my rights. You have been warned by
netcom not to send any e-mail in the future.
FACT: You have harrassed me and my family with your vile and abusive
e-mail.
> Does that include a man identifying himself as Ken McVay calling my
father to
> let me know they knew where to find him?
FACT: the call was not harrassment.
FACT: you are lying about the content of the call.
FACT: you lied about who made the call.
> Does that include the lie that I have ever threatened the life of anyone?
FACT: you have made several threats. These threats have included
threats of of violence.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> Lurkers are quite intelligent people, that is why they are here, to discover
> there is another side to the holocaust stories.
If so they know you as a lair and a fraud.
> What we are down to now are holohuggers pretending not to know what
physical
> evidence is. They are a small crowd in a very tight corner trying to cover up
> what everyone knows, that there is not now nor was there ever any physical
> evidence of holocaust gassing. Everyone knows there was no such evidence
> presented at Nuremberg and none has been found since then.
You have been asked to define what “physical evidence” is. You could not
do so. The reason is a simple one. You have no concept of what evidence is or how
to evaluate it. You have a silly eccentric view of the world and ask everybody else to
cater to your inane whims.
You are a nutcase.
That is something you cannot change.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Actually that is *exactly* what you have been told to do. The question
> > is — where have you looked?
> I have read what Nizkor offers on this subject.
A good place to start but, as it turns out Larson’s complete report is
not part of the Nizkor archives. I guess you will have to do what any competent
researcher must do.
Look elsewhere.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: no response?
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 17 Sep 1996 04:06:54 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > The embarrasment is yours. You have made a fool of yourself so
> >many times that every time you post a new lie the question is: who is laughing
> >loudest at you?
> > I read your posts on Nuremberg. It is apaprent you are familiar neither
> >with law or those proceedings.
> > Interspersed with your ignorant ravings have been dishonest
> >ad hominum fabrications and a brand of anti-Semitic rants that would do
Julius
> >Streicher proud.
> Thank you for the confirmation of what I said, no matter how
hysterically you
> had to phrase it.
I confirmed nothing you foul-mouthed liar. Except, of course, that you
are a foul-mouthed liar.
But since you are in a mood to retail your foul-mouth lies, perhaps you
can explain why you e-mailed your filth to me on 17 August 1996 after having
been, repeatedly, asked not send me any e-mail. Perhaps you will also explain
why, when asked again not to do so you lied and stated it was a forgery from
Gyrnspan (the logs at netcon.com demonstrated it was from you) and then made
the following statement:
“I am tired of your shit. Fuck off.”
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Acceptance makes truth
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer), the criminal, makes an ass of himself
again::
> >: On 16 Sep 1996 20:03 MST, [email protected]
(Danny Mittleman)
> >: wrote:
> >Giwer wrote:
>
> >: >> The facts are otherwise. First, there are exactly two historians
> >: >> who have investigated and published on the holocaust.
> >: Name THREE historians with their degree credentials.
> >That’s ALL? You want three historians who’ve investigated and published
> >on the Holocaust? That’s it?
> >Listen, Matt–I gotta ask you something. Are you some kind of masochist,
> >to be making a challenge like this? Because I have to tell you, this
> >is going to be the easiest thing I’ve done all day…
> >Okay, I’m back. Took about fifteen minutes in the reference section
> >of the library where I work:
> >1) Christopher R. Browning, Ph.D. University of Wisconsin-Madison,
> > 1975. Professor of History, Pacific Lutheran University, Tacoma,
> > Washington. Author: _The Path to Genocide_, Cambridge University
> > Press, 1992.
> Degree in what field?
> >2) Frank M. Buscher, Ph.D. Marquette University, 1988. Professor
> > of History, Christian Bros. College, Memphis, Tennessee. Author:
> > _The U.S. War Crimes Trial Program in Germany_, Greenwood Press,
> > 1989.
> Degree in what field? What publications on gassing?
> >3) Jacob Boas, Ph.D. University of California, 1977. Director of
> > Education and Research, Holocaust Center of Northern California.
> > Author: _Boulevard de Miseres; the Story of Transit Camp
> > Westerbork_ Archon Books, 1985.
> Degree in what field? What publications on gassing?
> >You don’t look too bad–here’s another:
> >4) Gerhard Weinberg, Ph.D. University of Chicago, 1951. William Rand
> > Kenan Professor of History, University of North Carolina, Chapel
> > Hill. Author: Germany, Hitler and World War II, Cambridge
> > University Press, 1995.
> Degree in what field? What publications on gassing?
> >That’s all based on a few minutes with a holocaust bibliography
> >and the Directory of American Scholars, Matt. You were saying?
> Go back and do some more.
Why should he bother? He made you look like an idiot with another
of your fraudulent claims. Now you not only refuse to admit the obvious — that
you were caught in another lie — but you compound your intellectual dishonesty
by trying to change the wording of your statement.
You are a liar and fraud.
Why don’t you find some children to harrass. I understand that those
under the age of two tend not to fight back.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
> Of course, Danny, YOU would have known how to provide immediate
Sure. First you give them water.
The water was available. Kramer did not do this.
Second you give them food.
Food was available. Kramer did not do this.
Third, you provide medical treatment for the sick.
Medical help was available. Kramer did not do this.
Fourth you tell the sadisitc gang of thugs you command to stop killing
people.
Kramer did not do this.
Apaprently you think Kramer is innocent.
Provide us some proof that does not begin “In my opinion . . . . ”
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer admits again that he is a troll….
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) admits his crimes:
> What I admit to doing is setting off the holohuggers so that they do
nothing
> productive regarding the subject so they have minimal time to interfere with
> discussions of what really happened.
> They leave so many hot buttons hanging out with “push me” signs that
it is
> difficult not to.
> And they have so little self discipline that they fall for it every time.
Is this, then, your expanation of why you criminally harrassed me with
your obscene e-mail? You opinion is that the vivtims of your crimes should not be
upset?
Thank you for the admission of your mens rea.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Julius Streicher – PORNOGRAPHER
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Since Hitler is known to have read Der Stuermer regularly and to have
> > commented on its articles, you seem to be stating that Hilter and his coterie
was
> > not numbered among the “influential people” of the Third Reich.
> No, I didn;t say that, and where did Hitler write an article praising Der Stuermer?
I
> also would like to refer you to my recent post “Der Stuermer”-Hitler’s Favorite
Mag?
Yes. It does not explain why Hitler read Der Stuermer regularly — even
when Streicher was disgraced for his incompetence as the Gauleiter of Franconia
— and commented favorably upon them.
Your game is getting fairly transparent. Ask for evidence and, when it is
presented, either state that your opinion based on no facts whatsoever is that it is
fraudulent or ask for more. Sometimes, as here, you request is infantile.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The USS Liberty attack, no accident
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> [email protected] (DvdThomas) writes:
> Or offense, as the case was in 1967, when Israel was “attacked” by firing
> the first shots, and no military actions occurred within her borders. It
> was a preemptive strike, carried out in a ruthless, efficient and
> successful manner.
You are in error on two counts.
The war began with a military blockade of the Israeli port of Elath.
That is an act of war.
There was an invasion of Israeli territory by the Jordanian army. They
got the snot kicked out of them but there was no fighting on the eastern front
until that happened.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Derek Bell) writes:
> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> > It has been common knowledge since around 1925 that the
Zimmerman Note
> >was a British forgery.
> Please provide evidence for the assertion that the Zimmermann
telegram
> is a British forgery.
> According to the item on the VENONA decrypts at
> http://www.fas.org/sgp/sec51.html (Page doesn`t exist)
David Kahn regards the Zimmermann
telegram
> as “one of the most important intelligence revelations of the century”. From
> what I remember in his book, there was no mention of it being a forgery.
I think you are dealing with a proverbial Giwerism. He heard something
while he was drunk. misterpreted and no claims that his version is the truth (see
for example, Giwer’s statement that he was told that the potato is part of the ritual
Passover meal). What has been debunked is the story that it was found by
accident. Evidently it was provided by the British government.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 19 Sep 1996 01:51:37 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > You have been asked to define what “physical evidence” is. You could
not
> >do so. The reason is a simple one. You have no concept of what evidence is
or how
> >to evaluate it. You have a silly eccentric view of the world and ask everybody
else to
> >cater to your inane whims.
> > You are a nutcase.
> > That is something you cannot change.
> Thank you very much for admitting there is no physical evidence by your
refusal
> to post any of it.
Why should I bother? First, evidence acceptable in any American court
is good enough for me. I have no desire to cater to your nutball whims.
Second, others have posted it. Youre reponse has been to lie
. You have some fraudulent definition of “physical evidence.” You are
apparently so embarrassed by it, that, despite repeated requests, you won’t even
tell us what it is.
> We agree there is no physical evidence of this gassing hoax you
murderous Israel
> sympathizer have been claiming.
Yes, you and Moran agree on that. Two anti-Semitic nutcases whose
bigoted view of the world is laughable.
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> > > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > You are making a Giwer of yourself. You are setting up an idiosyncratic
> > standard then complaining that no-one complied with it 50 years ago. The
counsel
> > (both sides) and the judges at Nuremberg were constrained by standard
legal theory
> > and rules of evidence governed by Article 19 of their charter.
> Mr. Edeiken-it is standard procedure to submit detailed autopsy reports as well
as
> toxicological tests to the court in a homicide case.
And Larson submitted jsut such a report. You have been asking for his
raw notes.
> The examiner may, and probably
> will be examined on the basis of these reports in the court room. With just the
> doctor stated according to notes that such and such was the result of a test,
after
> he had examined dozens of other victims, leaves room for doubt and I would
be
> disinclined to accept his testimony without the actual reports placed in front of
me.
> The doctor, no matter how good the intention-is fallible and good be mistaken.
You have the actual report.
> > In this case the medical report was that of Larson. For all purposes
> > whatsoever it is exactly what you are *now* asking for. I know of no case
(and my
> > experience is primarily civil) where the raw notes are introduced. In fact,
Federal
> > Rule of Evidence 703 (I have posted its text several time) is specifically
designed to
> > permit testimony such as Larson’s *without* the documents that you claim
are an
> > “absolute requirement.” What is required is the testimony of an phsyician
“to a
> > reasonable degree of medical certainty.” You have that.
> I am not refering to Federal rules. I refer to ordinary rules in a homicide case.
The Federal Rules apply in all federal cases — including homicide cases
— in federal juristdiction. Actually, in Pennsylvania, Rule 703 was adopted as the
law in Pennsylvania in a homicide case: “Commonwealth v. Brown.”
> Well, I am not Giwer, but I must be insistent and repeat that the only evidence
which
> would suffice for me is the actual autopsy reports as well as the results of the
tocicological
> tests, not the doctor’s hand written aide- memoire. Sorry to be a thorn in the
side, but
> I feel we deserve no less.
At this point I have not the foggiest idea what you want. Larson’s
report is a report acceptable as evidence in any case. It *is* the autopsy report.
Your only complaint seems to be that it is not want you want and that your
eccentric ideas should be given some credence. I an trying hard not to insult you
more than neccessary, but that makes you a Giwer.
> We are talking about human beings alleged to have been
> gassed to death here, and the ONLY way to be absolutely certain is to view
the
> original toxicological tests.
And your qualifications to contradict the opinion of a forensic
pathologist are?
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > A good place to start but, as it turns out Larson’s complete report is
> > not part of the Nizkor archives. I guess you will have to do what any
competent
> > researcher must do.
> > Look elsewhere.
> Apparently this will be like looking for a non existent needle in a very BIG
haystack.
Then improve your research skills. It took me less than a day’s work
(including 4 hours travel time) to locate it.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (tom moran) posts more venomous lies:
> So sayeth the Torah and the Talmud.
>>>>
It should be noted that the ignorant bigot who posted this:
1. Less than one month ago did not know what the “Torah” is.
2. Had never studied the Talmud and has no idea what is contained in it.
3. Is a notorious anti-Semite who has frequently lied about Jews.
It is, of course, useless to ask what texts to which he is referring. He des
not know himself.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 19 Sep 1996 22:40:52 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> Name THREE historians with their degree credentials. Take all the
> >screens you
> >> need.
> > Lucy Dawidowicz (game)
> > Gerald Fleming (set)
> > Abraham Sacher (match)
> > I expect your admission of error to appear shortly.
> I expect you to post their degree field and their publications on
gassing. But
> you will not. There are not three such people.
Lucy Dawidowicz (deceased): Ph.D. in history. Her works include
“The Destruction of the Jews.”
Gerald Fleming: degree (British) in history; professor emeritus at the
University of Surrey (Great Britain). His works include include “Hitler and the
Final Solution”
Abraham Sacher; Ph.D. in history. Professor of history at George
Washington University. His works include “The Redemption of the Unwanted.”
All three are (or in the case of Dawidowicz, were) real people.
Now where is you apology, asshole.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 19 Sep 1996 22:43:19 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> A foolish little holohugger who has to insist a holocaust propagandist is
> something that he is not.
> On the other hand, he is a historian the way you are an attorney,
honorary.
No I insist that a professor in history who has written several books
recognized as major works by other historians and is a reconized member of
societies of professional historians qualifies as a historian.
You, on the other hand, qualify as a fraud and a liar.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 19 Sep 1996 14:45:17 GMT, [email protected] (william c
anderson)
> wrote:
> >”A Jew cannot be a citizen of the Reich. He cannot exercise the right to
> >vote; he cannot occupy public office.”
>
> >Supplement to the Reichsbürgergesetz (Law of the Reich Citizen),
> >November 14, 1935
> It is good to read that you agree that no one was stripped of citizenship.
Are you drunk again, Matty poo. The statement you just read statews
exactly the opposite.
> You and YFE have now both agreed to the point I made.
No we bothcalled you a fraud and liar. And proved both parts of that.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
> Stop splitting hairs Chuck, we both know what I meant was that there were
> no homicidal gassings at Dachau. And we both know that after the war the
Americans
> palmed off a delousing chamber on the world as a gas chamber.
Wrong. But you usually are.
> I also pointed out that a pair of lying scheming Zionist Jews (par for the course)
> had, in South Africa in 1976, misrepresented this “evidence” as part of their
> successful campaign to suppress Revisionism in South Africa.
Lying about Jews again. Par for the course.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 20 Sep 1996 02:31:37 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > For the lurkers: this is the method for determining cyanide poisoning
> >through ingestion. When there has been ingestion the tissues of the body
absorb
> >cyanide. It is *not* the determination used when the cyanide poisoning is
> >gaseous. In that case there is no absorbtion into body tissues. The proper
> >method to determine cynanide poisoning through gas is analysis of lung tissue.
> >Lung tissue is rarely affected by maggots. Nor, where there is cyanide present
in
> >the lungs is it neccessary to compute a lethal dose through body weight. The
> >presence of cyanide on lung tissue is determinative.
> > Sorry Matty poo, you looked in the wrong section of the book. An “F”
> >in toxicology.
> > Was it deliberate?
> For said lurkers, you have confirmed what I said. Thank you. There
were
> exactly ZERO autopsies at Dachau that indicated cyanide poisoning despite
your
> lies that there were such autopsies.
I most certainly did not confirm what you stated. I flatly contradicted it.
> There are no autopsey reports that claim death by cyanide poisoning at
Dachau.
There is a report from a forensic pathologist based upon his autopisies
and examination of the cadavers.
> Even the US Army gave up such claims fourty years ago. They were
given up as a
> known and blatant lie.
Please post your sources for this. The US Army has never made this
position public.
> But of course, even in the face of those discovering the gas chamber
changing
> their story, YFE insists it really existed.
The US Army has never stated that a gas chamber was not in existence
and use at Dachau. They have stated it was not used for mass extermination.
Once more we have Matty poo distorting something beyond recognition.
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > > [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> > > I have never said that Goldhagen is perfectly acceptable. Goldhagen has
not
> > > gotten a good reception in this forum nor from his peers.
> > Strangely enough Goldhagen has received his most enthusiasic reception
in
> > Germany. His book is on the bestseller list and he speaks to packed houses.
> To what do you attribute this?
There was a report on “All Things Considered” which interviewed several
Germans who had been at the debate. The gist of theri answers was that it was the
first time they had been presented with a credible explanation of why people
participated in the Holocaust rather than just the fact that it happened. Assuming
that was true, I would attribute it to lousy teachers.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Streicher-PORNOGRAPHER-THE FINAL ROUND & TKO
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <51dr[email protected]> – [email protected] Sep
1996
> :>No direct evidence was ever produced to substantiate the claim that
> :> Streicher was a purveyor of pornography in a sexual sense, as is
> :> implied by authors like Shirer and Snyder, et. al. That certain
> :>individuals considered him to be a “pervert” is not germane to the
> :> issue. Gossip is no replacement for fact. He was never charged
> :> nor convicted for publishing pornography, though the Weimar repub-
> :>lic certainly had anti-pornography laws. Consequently, the accusation
> :> that Streicher was a publisher of pornography must be considered to be libel.
> Well, one statement and wrong already. _You_ introduced the purveyor of
> pornography point, Mr. Blackmore, no one else. When I challenged you to cite
> one reference where Streicher had been called a purveyor of pornography, you
> were unable and are still unable to do so. Now you are reduced to saying that
> Shirer and others _implied_. That’s not good enough. You made the rules,
now
> you stick to them.
Actually, as several people pointed out, the person who referred to him
as a pronographer was Adolf Hitler. William Shirer referred to him as a
“pornographist.” A rather interesting word which might or might not refer to
publishing pornography. It might well have been meant to refer to his private life,
which Shirer commented upon in the same paragraph. Others pointed out that
Streciher’s work often contained lurid — and false — accounts of the ravishing of
Aryan women by the evil Joooos. In the days before modern free speech
decisions, that was considered fairly racy stuff. People, including Mae West,
were banned from American radio for obscenity for far less.
> :>However, there is one thing which this plethora of documentation does NOT
> :>prove, and, I must confess, has been puzzling me for days:
> :>
> :>If it has been proven that Streicher was indeed the most vociferous and
radical
> :>opponent of the Jews, and, indeed, the documentation offered by Nizkor
over-
> :>whelmingly proves this, as they themselves have pointed out, WHY was
Streicher
> :>not appointed to oversee the “extermination” of his hated enemies, the
Jews?
> :>Who else could have been more suited for the task than the old Jew-baiter?
> :>How could his “friend”, the Fuehrer, overlook his old and faithful companion,
> :>whose scurrilous newspaper he allegedly read with devotion? Would not
Streicher,
> :>who had been commissioned as an SS Gruppenfuehrer in 1934, have been
ideally
> :>suited for the task, instead of the petty thief Globocnik, or the unstable
Hoess?
> :>Indeed, the many tales of his sadism and sexual perversions, in which he
allegedly
> :>achieved orgasisms while beating people, would confirm his perfect suitablility
for
> :>tormenting and eradicating Europe of the Jews. After all, it is not as if
Streicher
> :>had something better to do with his time: in early 1940, Hitler placed
Streicher on a
> :>REDENVERBOT, which means that Streicher was forbidden to make public
statements
> :>or give public speeches. Later that year, Streicher was removed as Gauleiter
of Nuremberg.
> :>What strange conduct on the part of the Fuehrer! The speaking ban was
imposed through-
> :>out the whole war.
> The question is like asking why Goebbels was not made head of the army.
The
> fact that Streicher hated the Jews had nothing to do with whether he had the
> organizational and other skills required to bring together such a huge
> project. Indeed, by the time the project got underway, as _you_ have pointed
> out, Streicher had been shorn of all executive power. Streicher was a
> propagandist and journalist, not an organizer or administrator. For that you
> needed the boring, colorless people like Himmler, Heydrich and Eichmann.
Apparently Mr. Blackmore must also wonder why Sam Adams was not
made commander of the Continental army or appointed to some other high office.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> Then how do you know there were any such prisoners? Please be
specific in your
> answer.
From. among other documents, the railroad manifests of the people
transported to Auschwitz.
You really are ignorant.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> If you read any good book on the IMT, it seems that the Judges relied
> more on documentation in their verdicts. Also because the
> documentation had to read into the record, this limited the amount of
> documents the Americans could enter. The American wished to bury the
> defense in documents. But they failed to translate these documents
> into the various languages. So the judges ordered that these be read
> by doing so caused them to be translated by ther IBM system in use by
> the court. Neat, huh? When you post these excerpts without comment we
> must shrug. We have no idea as to the affect/effect or content of
> these testimonies. Appears to be a bubblering Giwer methodology.
I have found two books on Nuremberg stand head and shoulders
above the rest Conot’s “Justice at Nuremberg” and Taylor’s “The Anatomy of
the Nuremberg Trials.”
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 21 Sep 1996 02:47:05 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> >> On 19 Sep 1996 22:40:52 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> >> Name THREE historians with their degree credentials. Take
all the
> >> >screens you
> >> >> need.
> >> > Lucy Dawidowicz (game)
> >> > Gerald Fleming (set)
> >> > Abraham Sacher (match)
> >> > I expect your admission of error to appear shortly.
> >> I expect you to post their degree field and their publications on
> >gassing. But
> >> you will not. There are not three such people.
> > Lucy Dawidowicz (deceased): Ph.D. in history. Her works include
> >”The Destruction of the Jews.”
> > Gerald Fleming: degree (British) in history; professor emeritus at the
> >University of Surrey (Great Britain). His works include include “Hitler and the
> >Final Solution”
> > Abraham Sacher; Ph.D. in history. Professor of history at George
> >Washington University. His works include “The Redemption of the
Unwanted.”
> > Now where is you apology, asshole.
> Where are the publications on gassing?
First, you asked for three historians who have written about “the
Holocaust.”
That challenge has been met.
Your apologies please.
Now you are asking a different question: where did they write about
gassings. Those writings cane be found in:
Dawidowicz; “The Destruction of the Jews”
Fleming: “Hitler and the Final Solution”
Sacher: “Redemption of the Unwanted”
That is now *two* apologies owed by you.
You are so easy it’s pathetic.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <51[email protected]> – [email protected]
(Matt
> :> As McVay and and YFE have demonstrated, holohuggers are liars and
will
> :>harrass ISPs simply to get a person silenced.
> :> It is clear that you folks do not want real discussion. Bnd it is
> :>clear that you will pretend you do while you do the contrary.
> Is it just me, or is Giwer starting to sound like the “you’re a poopy drawers”
> stuff you normally expect to hear from a two-year old? (My apologies in
> advance to all two-year olds.)
No. He sounds like the guy caught in bank with a stocking over his
head, a gun in one hand and a note stating “Give me all the money” in the other
complaining that he was arrested because all the police are on the pad.
For the record, Giwere sent me several e-mails containing venomous
anti-Semitic rants (anyone who has read Giwer knows the type to which I am
referring). I e-mailed him twice informing him that I and my family wanted no more
e-mail from him. His repsonse was, first, to claim that Grynspan had forged it. His
second response was (in its entirety):
“I am tired of your shit. Fuck off.”
Apparently Giwer believes that it is within his rights to harrass people
with his obscene e-mail. It should be noted that the criminal laws of both Florida
and Pennsylvania take the opposite view.
It is also worthy of note that the other deniers on this conference have
kept their silence.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sun Sep 22 00:08:38 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Coffee Alert!: (was: Goyim are scum)
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> [email protected] (tom moran) first warns us that he is going to make an idot
of himself and then does so:
> [email protected] (Richard J. Green) wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >tom moran <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> So sayeth the Torah and the Talmud.
> >Where does the Torah say this? Please cite a specific reference. If
> >the Torah says such a thing, why do so many Gentile Christians believe
> >it is the word of God?
> There numerous passages were the “seed” is referred to. The
> genetic lineage of the biblical names are constantly being reviewed.
> The Bible consistently refers to god as being their god. The Bible
> states the Jews can do this or that to the gentile but not to another
> Jew.
Moran has no answer. The Bible — which includes the Torah is beyond
doubt the most widely distributed book on the face of the earth. Moran, for some
reason, cannot find a copy of it to quote.
> Where exactly in the Bible? The Torah, the first five books.
> Where exactly in the Torah? Couldn’t say at this time. My notes are
> stashed. It’s repeated throughout. Anyone reading the Bible can keep
> an eye out for the themes, which are common.
No-one but Moran has noted that the theme “Goyim are scum” is part
of the Bible.
> >What is your reference for the Talmud saying that “gentiles are scum?”
> >What translation are you reading?
>
> What “translation”? You mean what version? Whatever is posted at
> this time on the group and that which can be found on the web.
Moran has not answer for the question.
> As far
> as I know, the Talmud is always undergoing rewrites. I would say that
> the older versions are more vituperative than the present ones. I
> might theorize the newer versions are for goyim eyes and the older
> ones are the ones that are actually used.
Moran now theorizes about works he has never read and never even
seen.
> It all adds up to the present day vernacular use of the word
> scum.
Moran can still not find a single fact to back up his statements. He
further admits that his vituperative anti-Semitism is the result of his imagination
rather than any knowledge.
Coffee alert is correct. Perhaps it should appear on all of Moran’s posts
to protect the public from his bigotry.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sun Sep 22 00:08:39 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: WW I and US involvement
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 20 Sep 1996 19:02:58 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:
> > Please provide evidence for the assertion that the Zimmermann
telegram
> >is a British forgery.
> How about the Brits admit it and make no bones about having done it?
Good
> enough for you?
No. You have a track record of making things up. What Brits “admit
it.” Al Baron does not count.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Baron Lies About the ADL Again
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> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
> “Anti-Semitism” is not a criminal offence in Britain. Yet. Which is just as
> well as according to the ADL, 20% of the adult population would be in gaol.
> Re the other allegations, I suggest you come to the trial – which will be a
> purely civil affair, and the trial of the century.
Lyin’ Al now repeats one of his favorite lies.
He has been asked in the past to substantiate this lie by citing a single
ALD report, statement, letter, or position paper in which it can be found.
He could not.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Holocaust/UFO Analogy
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> The Holocaust story is one that is mostly supported by
> “eyewitness” accounts of what they saw.
Completely untrue. But you have been told this before.
Score so far: History 1
Moran: zero
> The Holocaust story is supported by survivor testimony.
Which are consistent with the physical and documentary evidence
and the tetimony of the killers.
> UFO stories now number over hundreds of survivor accounts of
> being taken on board a alien spacecraft and subjected to medical
> experiments.
Which are not supported by any physcial or documentary evidence.
Nor have any UFOs testified about abducting people.
Score so far: History 2
Moran 0
> The Holocaust story relies on physical evidence, such as a door
> from a gas chamber, some brick ovens in a Holocaust museum, a pile of
> shoes or an empty can of Zyklon B.
Correct. And lots of other stuff as well.
> UFO stories pose physical evidence also, like a wound someone
> says they got from a ordeal encounter with aliens’ a piece of metal
> said to come from a UFO crash and even the Great Pyramides of Egypt.
This hardly qualifies as physical evidence.
Score so far: History 3
Moran nada
> The Holocaust presents some photos, such as a ruin said to have
> been a gas chamber, or people standing by rail cars and said to be
> undergoing selection for gas chambers.
Which is consistent with the testimony and the phsyical evidence.
> UFO stories include photos of aliens, circles in farmers fields
> as proof of alien landing and photos of rock formations on Mars said
> to be ruins of a past civilization.
Which is not consistent with a large body of evidence.
Score so far: History 4
Moran zilch
> The Holocaust has had many of it’s claims exposed as lies, such
> as Auschwitz numbers, gas through shower heads and soap made of human
> fat.
Moran has invented a few straw men, then pretends that others have
made those statements.
> UFO stories have had many of their claims exposed as being lies,
> such as the two farmers who confessed to pulling off the hoax of a
> landing site in their fields.
Moran invents another strawman.
Score so far: History: 5
Moran: the goose egg
> Interesting.
Yes. As a study in your pyschopathology.
Have you ever considred letting scientists examine your reasoning
processes? Now that could be really interesting.
For those unfamiliar with Moran: he is a liar and an anti-Semite and,
although he issues challenges to debate, always seems to be elsewhere when
a debate before an impartial tribunal is suggested.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Acceptance makes truth
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> [email protected] (Danny Mittleman) writes:
>
> There is no point in debating the troll. He cares not to gain
> knowledge, he is simply disruptive (as evidenced below). Any lurker
> can see there are many more than two Holocaust historians by perusing a
> discussion of Holocaust historiography such as:
>
> Lucy Dawidowicz, _The Holocaust and the Historians_,
> Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1981. (ISBN
> 0674405668)
Sometimes, Dr. Mittleman, you take all the fun out of watching Giwer
make a fool of himself.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: HAHAHAHA! Giwer blows it for the N+1 Time where N > infinity
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> mgiwe[email protected] (Matt Giwer) makes an incredible ass of himself:
> >> And you are very, very ignorant if you think one person in a hundred in
Israel
> >> speaks Hebrew beyond Torah reading. Hebrew died out as a living
language more
> >> than two thousand years ago.
To which Keith Morrisson gave him a chance to retract:
> >Want to reconsider that statement, Giwer? Or would you rather have
someone
> >posting from Israel to humiliate you first?
Matty poo did not, of course, have the sense to take this convenient
escape route:
> Gee, and all I said was who speaks it. I said nothing about what
feel-good law
> there might designate.
> Maybe you never watch ITN or CNN to hear live coverage of
government speeches
> given in english, on your TV they come through in hebrew.
The speeches in the Knesset are all given in Hebrew. So are all
“government” speeches that I have heard.
Perhaps you can tell
> me just how many street and shop signs you have seen in Hebrew. How many
times
> have you seen Tel Aviv and Jerusalem spelled in hebrew characters?
All of them.
> Perhaps you are going to claim the Demjanjuk show trial was
conducted in hebrew.
It was.
> Perhaps you claim Israeli laws are promulgated in hebrew?
Absolutely.
> Just what is it you are trying to claim? That a law changes reality? I
have
> known quite a few Israeli ciitzens and now one of them spoke hebrew although
one
> claimed the slight hebrew content in yiddish was good enough to claim to
speak
> Hebrew, but was the same man who insisted yiddish was not a german dialect.
They were putting you on. They saw a gullible fool and you believed
them. It is also rather amazing that are not aware that, until the recent influx of
Russian Jews the majority of Israelis (about 55%) were of Sephardic descent.
> It is amazing how far you folks will go to protect jewish murderers.
It is amazing how stupid you are.
From [email protected] Sun Sep 22 14:23:53 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: What is a “goyim”
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 21 Sep 1996 20:36:32 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:
>
> >[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> >> That point is that yid-speak has been so used by the eastern european
> > ^^^
> > For someone who claims not to be an antisemite, you are inordinately
> >fond of the word “yid”.
>
> I have no idea who started the rumor that I have ever made any such
statement.
> Probably someone who lies to protect israeli murderers.
Liar. You have stated that calling you an anti-Semite is “libel.” In fact
you called it a “blood libel.”
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Human skin LAMPSHADE STORY A CRUEL AND VULGAR HOAX
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> > >What you saw were fakes, plain and simple. It’s not our fault if you are so
gullible.
> >
> > And this is an example of your taking the high ground. Yup, Im
> > impressed Mr. Belling/Blackmore.
> I’ll be more impressed when you produce the samples.
No. You’ll just think up some other impossible condition. You have a
pathologist’s report. You have no evidence other than your own opinion.
You have nothing but some rather eccentric ideas.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Julius Streicher – PORNOGRAPHER
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> [email protected] writes:
> > Your game is getting fairly transparent. Ask for evidence and, when it is
> > presented, either state that your opinion based on no facts whatsoever is
that it is
> > fraudulent or ask for more. Sometimes, as here, you request is infantile.
> Too bad you can’t reply to it with facts, rather than hear-say gossip.
It is neither hearsay or gossip. It is fact. The problem is that you do like
those facts. I have not insulted you so far but I thinlk it about time. You are a
Giwer.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Photographs from BUCHENWALD Camp
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> [email protected] writes:
> No. You prove to us that this head was shrunken at Buchenwald. Prove
> who did it, how they did it, and prove the identity of the victim. Also prove
> that it is indeed a real shrunken human head, and then arrange to conduct
> DNA testing to determine the age and approximate time when the victim
> was killed. Then get back to us.
> First prove the above, then we’ll continue the discussion.
And the continuation of the discussion will be:
1. A demand for the birth certificates of all the lawyers and the
judges.
2. The record of certification of the court reporter.
3. The architectural plans of the court-room.
4. Weather reports for the years 1945-50 in Silesia.
5. Pictures of the judge’s secretary, both clothed and in the nude.
6. The serial numbers of the weapons carried by the guards in the
courtroom.
7. The dental records of the victim and proof that he had a smallpox
vaccination.
8. Proof that there was a nazi party in Germany.
Then, of course, he will claim he has a “reasonable suspicion.”
Another Giwer.
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> Why don’t you just comment on the quotes? A little bit embarrassing?
No, they are meaningless. Giwer presents the fact that certain
defense attorneys made certain objections. He does not note the response of
the prosecutors; he does not print the decision of the court. They are a giant
“So what?”
Giwer claims that a present day appeals court would reverse on the
basis of what he printed. He is wrong. A modern appeals court would not even
*consider* his arguments. Indeed, if he quoted them for any purpose other than
to demonstrate preservation of the issue, he would be escorted from the
court-room. If he persisted in his line of argument with some very specific
instructions as to how his contempt can be purged. I have seen it happen.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Why is there no revisionist version of Nizkor?
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> [email protected] writes:
>
> Do you not consider the Zundelsite as a reasonable presenter of the
> truth, in opposition to the Holohoaxers?
No.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Derek Bell) writes:
> Then again, you could admit you were wrong; it would be far less
> humiliating for you in the long run than clinging on to your story that the
> Zimmermann telegram was a forgery.
Your giving this advice to someone who will defend to the death his
statement that less than 1% of Israelis speek Hebrew?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: YFE and a fair trial.
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> Holohugging attorneys would have you believe this is a part of a fair
trial.
> FROM YOUR IMT:
> <quote>
> DR SEIDL: When the witness was heard here I had no opportunity to
> cross-examine him, and for that reason ….
> PRESIDENT: Why did you have no opportunity to cross examine him?
> DR SEIDL: Because I did not know beforehand that he would be called by the
> Prosecution as a witness and had no opportunity to speak to the Defendant
> Frank about the questions which might have been put to the witness.
> [….]
> DR SEIDL: May I perhaps add something to this point? The difficulty of cross
> examination is just this, that we do not learn of the intended calling of a
> witness by the Prosecution until the witness is led into the courtroom, and
> we do not know the subject of the evidence until the Prosecution start to
> examine the witness.
> <end quote>
This passage demonstrates that an attorney made an objection during a
trial. Nothing more. There is no response from the prosecutors. There is not
a ruling by the judge.
Perhaps you will tell us why you consider the fact that an attorney made
an objection proves anything more than that an attorney made an objection.
> Just like in any regular trial.
In every trial in which I have seen or in which I have participated,
lawyers have made objections. If you have any problems with this procedure why
don’t you tell us about them.
We all need a laugh.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sun Sep 22 23:08:26 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer the Ignorant
Date: 22 Sep 1996 19:47:10 GMT
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 21 Sep 1996 20:16:03 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> Then how do you know there were any such prisoners? Please be
> >specific in your
> >> answer.
> > From. among other documents, the railroad manifests of the people
> >transported to Auschwitz.
> Unfortunately, some months ago I brought up the use of railroad
manifests as a
> source of the number of unregistered and I was informed by the holohuggers
that
> there were no such manifests.
You are lying. No one ever said that. What they said was that not all
of them still exist. Many do. So do the bills presented by the German raliway
system for the transportation. Examples of both are on display at the Holocaust
Museum of Houston.
> And since then we have found that the Einsatzgruppen executed some
4.2 million
> people and thus the recorded number of people sent to all the camps in fact
> matches the number of registered people in the camps.
You are out of your mind.
> If you recall the
> holhugger insistance that there were over 1000 camps then you will realize that
> there was an average of under 1800 prisoners in each of them minus the EG
talley
> of course.
Goldhagen gave the figure of 10,000 camps. Please try to put a fact or
two in your incoherent rants.
> Have you not been paying attention to the discussion?
Of course I have. You have descended into utter incoherence. If you
were sober when you wrote this I suggest you seek medical help.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Sep 23 07:45:32 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Acceptance makes truth
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> That was not a change, that was the original request. It was you folks
who
> shortened it, failing to provide the original request. But of course you will
> come up with one that you can construe did not include gassing.
Liar. Your original statement was that there were only two historians who
wrote on “the Holocaust.” Your challenge was to name three historians who had
researched and written on “the Holocaust.”
Play you childish games with soemone else.
Admit that you were wrong.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
Date: 22 Sep 1996 17:33:48 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Sure. First you give them water.
> The water with the corpses floating in it?
Gee, first you take the corpses out.
> > The water was available.
> The only water available was in the river, which Kramer thought was polluted.
> There indeed was not enough water in the camp to supply the thousands of ill
people
> jammed in there, which was not Kramer’s fault.
The British restored water in hours. Kramer could not do it days.
> > Second you give them food.Food was available. Kramer did not do this.
> No. Most of these peole were ill with gastro-enteritis. Food aggravates this
> condition. Also, the food was NOT available for these great numbers.
The British managed to do it within hours.
> > Medical help was available. Kramer did not do this.
> Not true, The attempt was made. Even the British had problems saving lives,
> and they were better epuipped than kramer by a long shot.
No attempt was made. Kramer did not take even the most basic public
health precautions.
> > Fourth you tell the sadisitc gang of thugs you command to stop killing
> > people. Kramer did not do this.
> Where is the order that he told them to kill people? Also, some of these guards
were
> not under his direct command, having been sent there during the last few
weeks of the
> war.
That is not the question. He was in command of the camp. He made
no effort to stop what the men under his command were doing. They were killing
inmates even as the liberators entered the camp.
> > Apaprently you think Kramer is innocent.
> I know Kramer was innocent.
Sure, Talk to Lyin’ Al. He’ll tell you that he knows Al Capone was
innocent.
> > Provide us some proof that does not begin “In my opinion
> I already did. Read it.. . . . ”
No. You have not. You have made statements contradicted by the
facts and make a half-hearted attempt to explain them. That dog don’t hunt.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Sep 23 07:45:33 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Why Moran Even Responds At All
Date: 22 Sep 1996 14:58:29 GMT
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> As Moran sees it, the only reason to be out here is to expose the
> extortional Holocaust story as a lie. Sort of like a patriotic duty, a
> concern for the world.
> But posting stuff out here is like being a gardner who is trying
> to grow something and has to go out and pull some weeds once in
> awhile.
> This is the only reason why Moran even responds at all.
So much for Moran’s claim that he is in favor of open debate.
The real reason is, of course, that every time Moran has attempted to
defend his statements it has become obvious that he is a dishonest and illiterate
dolt motivated by a virulent strain of anti-Semitism.
He does not contest that.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Sep 23 07:45:34 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: First the sister, then the mom and pop, and now the wife
Date: 22 Sep 1996 14:39:40 GMT
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
>
> Generally Moran doesn’t bother clicking up anything under
> Mr.Edeiken’s name, usually just marking it ‘read’, leaving it just for
> the record.
That is becasue you are a liar and an anti-Semite and don’t like being
mailed with the truth.
> As soon as Moran saw Mr.Edeiken’s name under the post topic, he
> thought to himself, ‘That dirty rat. What could this rat be having to
> say under this report of the Holocaust dependents and supporters
> attack on my dear, beloved, dedicated, wholesome family’.
Perhaps you think that this means something in the English language.
If so, you are a very stupid liar and anti-Semite.
> Moran hesitated before moving to click up Mr.Edeiken’s message.
> He thought to himself, ‘Could this dirty rat be so dirty as to …’
> Moran slid the arrow up to the messagers name. As Moran pressed down
> on the mouse, he thought to himself, ‘This dirty rat better not have
> said anything nasty about my dog’.
No I just exposed you as a liar and an anti-Semite.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Sep 23 07:45:35 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: WW I and US involvement
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> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
> I’ve heard of the Zinoviev letter, which was a forgery, but what was the
> Zimmerman telegram?
The Zimmerman telegram was a communication from the German
foriegn ministry to the government of Mexico promising them the return of Texas
and other Mexican territories now part of the United States if they came into WWI
on the side of the Germans. It was intercepted by British intelligence and covertly
supplied to the U.S. government. It was used as the participating factor for the
U.S. entry into WWI.
At the time it was made public a cover story was put out that it was
accidently left in a briefcase lost in the New York subway system. It was a rather
ridiculous position for the Germans to take for several obvious reasons and it is
not even certain that it was not just some mid-level functionary going off the deep
end. It iks, however, generally recognized as authentic.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Sep 23 13:02:51 PDT 1996
Article: 68053 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: no response?
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> FROM YOUR IMT:
> <quote>
> DR SEIDL: When the witness was heard here I had no opportunity to
> cross-examine him, and for that reason ….
> PRESIDENT: Why did you have no opportunity to cross examine him?
> DR SEIDL: Because I did not know beforehand that he would be called by the
> Prosecution as a witness and had no opportunity to speak to the Defendant
> Frank about the questions which might have been put to the witness.
>
> [….]
>
> DR SEIDL: May I perhaps add something to this point? The difficulty of cross
> examination is just this, that we do not learn of the intended calling of a
> witness by the Prosecution until the witness is led into the courtroom, and
> we do not know the subject of the evidence until the Prosecution start to
> examine the witness.
> <end quote>
> Just like in any regular trial.
> Source: IMT, VIII, p. 521
Perhaps you would like to explain what is wrong with what you read
here. A lawyer has made an objection. So what? (Lurkers might note that Giwer
has omitted both the repsonse of the prosecution and the ruling of the judge.
You might ask why he did that.)
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Sep 23 13:02:52 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Pulling Hen’s Teeth
Date: 22 Sep 1996 18:01:26 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > There was a report on “All Things Considered” which interviewed several
> > Germans who had been at the debate. The gist of theri answers was that it
was the
> > first time they had been presented with a credible explanation of why people
> > participated in the Holocaust rather than just the fact that it happened.
Assuming
> > that was true, I would attribute it to lousy teachers.
> Were these German Jews or Germans?
And then, of course, Giwer Redux will ask for birth certificates, dental
records, and sworn affidavits from at least ten non-German witnesses.
Others would have checked with “All Things Consdiered.” That would
smack of research.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
Date: 24 Sep 1996 02:10:18 GMT
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> >> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> >> > Sure. First you give them water.
> >> The water with the corpses floating in it?
> > Gee, first you take the corpses out.
> And here an example of the lack of education of folks in pre-law. You
heard it
> here folks all you have to do to make water polluted to rotting corpes is
remove
> the corpses and it is as pure as French designer water.
Since the British used the water and no-one was harmed by it; your
statement that it wa polluted is ridciulous.
> Can anyone believe the complete ignorance of this holohugger?
Can anyone believe the utter dishonesty of the Giwer. The Germans
couldn’t use the water bevause it was polluted. A British army unit shows up and
suddently the water is potable. Apparently Giwer thinks that magicians were
attached to British army units.
> You mean the British who connected the water station to one of their
portable
> generators?
No. Thye just turned it on.
> We have been over that. Even a holohugger posted it. The Brits lost
40,000 to
> disease in the first week of liberation.
Wrong again. But then, no-one ever accused you of knowing what
you wer talking about.
> > No attempt was made. Kramer did not take even the most basic
public
> >health precautions.
>
> You mean like keeping rotting corpses out of the river? Of course that
does not
> address all of the normal raw sewage in it. Or do you think the German EPA
had
> imposed sewage treatment plants on the country?
Odd that it was suddenly potable when the British got there.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer admits again that he is a troll….
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 21 Sep 1996 03:24:26 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Is this, then, your expanation of why you criminally harrassed me with
> >your obscene e-mail? You opinion is that the vivtims of your crimes should not
be
> >upset?
> > Thank you for the admission of your mens rea.
> Rather would you like to explain why you are spreading such malicious
stories
> about me?
Becasue they are true. To review the bidding you sent me your usual
anit-Semitic garbage in an e-mail. You were asked, as you have been in the past,
not to send me any e-mail. Your entire response was:
“I am tired of your shit. Fuck off.”
That communication, in itself, is criminal harrassment.
> Would you like to explain why you are sending false and malicious email
to my
> ISP?
Becasue every word of it was true.
> Would you like to explain why you only object when I reply to email you
send to
> me out of no where and for no cause?
That’s a lie. I have to original e-mail from you Matty poo. You have
sent me e-mail on at four other occasions. I have asked you, each and every
time, not to send me e-mail. Netcom has copies of the e-mail you sent. Now
worldnet does as well.
You are lying Matty poo. And I am not the only one you have harrassed
with e-mail.
> You are going over the edge on this one. You must be taking your lead
>from AG.
> But the last I heard attorneys were held to a higher standard than mere mortals.
You went over the edge when you decided to violate the criminal laws
and send your filthy anti-Semitic rhetoric to aperson who has repeatedly asked you
not to. The logs of netcom demonstrated that you sent it.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: holohugging traitors
Date: 24 Sep 1996 02:25:43 GMT
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> Keith Morrison <[email protected]> writes:
> Matt Giwer wrote:
> > >## Mistakes happen in wars, whether you like it or not. They
> > >## happen today, such as in the Gulf War, although the technology
> > >## is far superior to 1967 technology.
> > ># There was no war.
> > >You heard it here, folks.
> > >There was no Arab-Israeli war going on in June 8, 1967.
> This from the same man who pontificated long and loud about there
> being wars that were undeclared that were nonetheless wars when I
> asked him who the US Constitution gave the sole power to make a
> declaration of war.
This is also from the same man who insisted that the American
Revolution was going on when Washington was encamped at Valley Forge.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Are anti-Semites inherently unstable?
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> Get used to it. The only way you holohuggers can have any effect is to
harrass
> and to lie to ISPs. So get with the program and start libeling people like YFE
> does.
E-mail from M. Giwer to me:
“I am tired of your shit. Fuck off.”
According to Giwer complaining about such criminal harrasssment is
libel.
Truth, Matty poo, is not libel.
And, Matty poo, when worldnet kicks you scruffy rear off their service,
the next provider that it foolish enough to sell you access will get the same letter.
If you don’t like it, Matty poo, I’ll be gald to forward you the addresses of
the Clerk of Courts for the Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh Couny or the U.S.
District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Get a look at this idiot
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> > > From: [email protected]
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > cc: [email protected]
> > So, Mr. Giwer…
> > are you finally ADMITTING that you’re no longer at Netcom?
> > Why do you continue to claim Netcom as your address? Too stupid to
> > reconfigure your e-mail address?
> It isn’t stupidity. It is deliberate. He changed it to
> [email protected] and then changed it back (verification of this may
> be seen at Deja News when doing a filtered search for
> [email protected] – that’s how I found out exactly what his new
> e-mail address is), although for what reason only an imbecile would know.
The reason is a simple one. It slows down complaints and remedies for
his various crimes.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Topf and Sons, all round geniuses
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
> : All what speeches and orders? There were some four or five orders over four
> : centuries. The “crime” was bringing bad times on the local jurisdiction or even
> : the empire for refusal to sacrifice to the patron dieties. Those orders lasted
> : for the duration of whatever set back was being suffered.
> In other words, Christians WERE persecuted by Romans, and your statement
> above that they weren’t is a lie. Thanks, Matt.
Nor, apparently, does he know when the battle of Milvian Bridge occurred.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
> In <324668[email protected]> [email protected]
(John Morris) writes:
> ! So, Aryans got better ear wax?
> Yes.
But their belly button lint is definitely inferior.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
> Like I said, check out the Tulsa World article, check out the analysis by
> Laird Wilcox in Crying Wolf, check out the ADL’s own study Anti-Semitism in
> America [sic].
I checked out the Tulsa World. They said that if they carried such a
story it was a wire feed. There was no such wire feed. Wilcox is not the ADL.
The ADL is reports on anti-Semitism on a yearly basis. I have all the reports from
the 1990’s and there is not such statement in any of them.
You were lying.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken”
writes:
>
> > > I know Kramer was innocent.
> >
> > Sure, Talk to Lyin’ Al. He’ll tell you that he knows Al Capone was
> > innocent.
>
> I never said Kramer was innocent.
blackmore did. See his quote that you posted. I just pointed out that it is
about as silly as your claims about Capone.
>As I’ve said before Edeiken, for a lawyer
> you are as thick as pigshit. You yap on and on about “Deniers” being apologists
> for Nazism; what we’re heading towards now is worse than Nazism, that was the
> point of my “tribute” to Al Capone.
You *are* an apologist for Hitler and his gang.
> You’ve now got a situation in the US where
> people can have their assets seized merely on suspicion. Did that happen in
> Nazi Germany?
This is incorrect. That has been pointed out to several times. The
confiscation laws specifically protect “innocent” owners or co-owners of property
and place the onus on the government to prove both the ownership and the
connection to criminal activity. (You never bothered to find out about Shorty’s
Cafe, did you?) The people you quoted were hysterical cranks who had no notion
of what they were talking about. When they were talking to you, they were in good
company.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 23 Sep 1996 03:41:21 GMT, [email protected] (william c
anderson)
> wrote:
Matty poo first makes a clear statement:
> >Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
> >: On 22 Sep 1996 17:14:25 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:
> >: > So are you an anti-Semite?
> >: I have never made a statement on the subject. Is that too hard
> >: for you to understand? Yet the holohuggers here will spread the lie
> >: that I have.
> >: Plain facts. I have made no statement and they have lied about it.
Then contradicts himself:
> >Matt, if you are an antisemite, then how could calling you one be a
> >”blood libel”?
> It can only be libel if untrue. Is that too hard for you to understand?
Who will win this trenchant debate?
When will he start calling himself names?
When will he claim that the exchage was forged by the Jews?
How many cups of coffee were converted into a colloidal vapor
becasue Matty poo did not have the courtesy to warn us that he was going to
attempt to top his “Israelis don’t speak Hebrew” statement?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Coffee Alert!: (was: Goyim are scum)
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> [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
> [a complete moron said]
> “…the Talmud is always undergoing rewrites.”
> >Moron, this is truly one of the dumbest things you’ve EVER said.
> I must protest! This particular moron has said things that
> were _far_ dumber than this! (Hey! He’s a “revisionist
> scholar,” isn’t he?)
Of course, the Moron did not say who was doing the rewriting. Now
since there are quotes from “The Talmud” that appear on various web pages
that cannot be found in the editions of the Talmud that I have seen someone
must be rewriting it. It should also be noted that for an extended period the
Catholic church attempted to destroy the Talmud. Although this frequently meant
physically destroying the books, it also took the form of rewriting or deleting
passages that the Church did not like. It could weel be that Moran is is referring
to this form of vandalism nad, as usual, just refers to “the Jews” in the same
dishonest manner that he did when he converted the KKKK to a “Jewish group”
or referred to the Catholic priests in charge of the Dead Sea Scrolls as “the
Jews.”
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Sep 24 21:34:43 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> At least you agree the IDF attack on the Liberty was a deliberate
attack upon a
> US ship.
Where and when, Matty poo. Please demonstate a single word I
have ever written about the Liberty incident.
Do that or come back and tell us all that you lied again.
You keep threatening law suits, Matty poo. Someday you might be
drunk enough to actually do something. Remember that the judge will be very
unhappy when he catches you lying.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 22 Sep 1996 18:14:50 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> On 21 Sep 1996 20:36:32 +0100, [email protected] (Derek Bell) wrote:
> >> >[email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> >> >> That point is that yid-speak has been so used by the eastern
european
> >> > For someone who claims not to be an antisemite, you are inordinately
> >> >fond of the word “yid”.
> >> I have no idea who started the rumor that I have ever made any such
> >statement.
> >> Probably someone who lies to protect israeli murderers.
>
> > Liar. You have stated that calling you an anti-Semite is “libel.” In
fact
> >you called it a “blood libel.”
It can only be libel if untrue. This is not Canada, sheepskin-for-brains.
Nor is it Oz, your natural habitat. If “It can only be a libelif untrue.”
The someone “who started the rumor” seems to have been you.
That having been established the correct reading of your sentence
should have been: “Probably someone who lies.” In that case, it would have
been correct.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> Behold the lie, tell your friends.
Nope. I’ll tell everyone here. T. Moran is the liar.
After a long and dishonest opening statement which he knows is not
true, T. Moran posts a number of sources which he claims represent a sample of
what a person going to the library will find. Note that none of them are
quotations. For those who wonder why, the expanations is a simple one. Moran
is lying. Samples:
> Yehuda Bauer’s _A History of the Holocaust_ (c. 1982) lists the
> Auschwitz death toll as between 1.5 and 3.5 million Jews
Notice that there is no quote. Why? Bauer is citing what others have
said. His own estimate in this book is favors the low number.
> Poliakov’s _Harvest of Hate_ (c. 1956) lists the total Auschwitz
> dead at about 2,300,000.
Wrong again. Poliakov reports this as Hoess’ statement and describes
it as an exaggeration.
>
> Encyclopedia Judaica, Jerusalem: Keter Publishing House, 1974. p
> 855. 1,000,000 to 2,500,000
This is not correct. The Encyclopadia Judaica state that estimates
range for 1,000,000 to 2,500,000 but that the lower estimate is probably correct.
> Brestrafung der Verbrecher von Auschwitz, in _Auschwitz:
> Geschichte und Wirklichkeit des Vernichtungslagers_. Reinbek bei
> Hamburg: Rowolt, 1980, 211. 2,500,000 to 4,000,000
I checked with three libraries Lehigh university, the Free Library of
Philadelphia and University of Pennsylvania. None had this book. Perhaps
Moran will inform of the library in which he found it.
>
> Czech, D. “Konzentrationslager Auschwitz: Abriss der Geschichte,”
> in _Auschwitz: Geschichte und Wirklichkeit des
> Konzentrationslagers_. Reinbek bei Hamburg: Rowolt, 1980, 42.
> 2,500,000 to 4,000,000
Ditto.
> Dunin-Wasowicz, Krzysztof. _Resistance in the Nazi concentration
> camps, 1933-1945_. Warsaw: PWN-Polish Scientific Publishers, 1982,
> 44. 2,500,000 to 4,000,000
The complaint has been that the Polish government inflated the
number of Poles murdered at Auschwitz and downplay the number of Jews that
were murdered.. Moran knows this — he frequently quotes a book in which it is
explained — but now uses that fraudulent Polish number and ATTRIBUTES IT
TO THE JEWS!!!! The anti-Semite who once identified the KKKK as a “Jewish
group” and a collection of Catholic priests as “the Jews” strikes again.
> Madajczyk, Czeslaw. _Polityka III Rzeszy w okupowanej Polsce;
> okupacja Polski, 1939-1945_. Warsaw: Panstwowe Wydawn Naukowe,
> 1970, 293-94. 2,800,000 to 4,000,000
Ditto. A repeat offender.
> _Obozy hitlerowskie na ziemiach polskich 1939-1945: informator
> encyklopedyczny_. Warsaw: Panst. Wydaw. Naukowe DSP, 1979, 369.
> 2,500,000 to 4,000,000
Three strikes. He’s out.
> Behold the Lie – Ask Your Friends
I have. They think you are an anti-Semite with no respect for the truth.
Ask your daughter-in-law, she’ll be glad to confirm it.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 22 Sep 1996 18:07:47 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> [email protected] writes:
> >> Why don’t you just comment on the quotes? A little bit embarrassing?
> > No, they are meaningless. Giwer presents the fact that certain
> >defense attorneys made certain objections. He does not note the response of
> >the prosecutors; he does not print the decision of the court. They are a giant
> >”So what?”
> > Giwer claims that a present day appeals court would reverse on the
> >basis of what he printed. He is wrong. A modern appeals court would not
even
> >*consider* his arguments. Indeed, if he quoted them for any purpose other
than
> >to demonstrate preservation of the issue, he would be escorted from the
> >court-room. If he persisted in his line of argument with some very specific
> >instructions as to how his contempt can be purged. I have seen it happen.
> Thus spake the attorney who libels people and thanks for your number.
I do
> expect the response to be “who?”
Thank you for agreeing that your quote was meaningless.
But here’s the message that Matty poo sent to me and my family:
“I am tired of your shit. Fuck off.”
And not one of his nazi pals has commented.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> Not only is does the subject make the claim that there are autopsy
reports it is
> clear that by the timing events that even if there had at one time been a gas
> chamber there, liberation came much too late to autopsy the bodies.
No the claim is that there was a medical report issued by Dr. Larson
based on his autopsies and chemical testing done at a laboratory in Paris.
> Beyond that YFE is claiming to have the document that contains them
in what
> comes PRIOR to what has been posted here.
> It is simply a matter of calling his bluff. The man is lying about it.
Had you been paying attention, this matter came up previously. One
of your denier pals (Marc LeMire) was claiming that Larson performed over 100
autopsies per day and additionally did a visual on 300 bodies *on a daily basis*
and found no cases where cyanide was the cause of death. As part of his claim
LeMire insisted this output was possible because the lab samples were sent to
Paris and Larson did not have to worry about them.
At that time I looked up Larson’s report.
Unlike you I do my research. The citations might well be in Nizkor.
Look them up.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 22 Sep 1996 19:47:10 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > You are lying. No one ever said that. What they said was that not all
> >of them still exist. Many do. So do the bills presented by the German raliway
> >system for the transportation. Examples of both are on display at the Holocaust
> >Museum of Houston.
> Pay attention to the thread. That is what was said.
Then you should have no trouble placing some material between
quotation marks and attaching a name to that quotation. You won’t, of course.
> However, if it is your contention that not all of them EVER existed then
upon
> what basis do you claim they ever existed much less the numbers on them?
I would answer this question but it makes no sense in English. I told you
where such documents are on public display.
> If you are claiming they at one time existed but do not now, who do you
supposed
> destroyed them and why? If your answer is the Nazis destroyed them, then
upon
> what basis was a total number created?
Who knows? Who cares? The issue (you are attempting to change the
subject again) is whether exisiting bills of lading and invoices show more Jews were
delievered to Auschwitz than can be found in the registration books. Those that
exist prove that this is the case.
>
> Rather I can do arithmetic. We have been over this. The IMT declared
6
> million. Every writer has declared between 5 and 6 million. Auschwitz lost 3
> million. They had to go some place.
Three million what. The old denier’s trick surfaces again. The number
murdered waas not computed by determining which were murdred and why. *All*
of the research used the opposite approach. They determined how many were
murdered and then tried to discover how. Second, the claim of 4,000,000
murdered at Auschwitz was never a claim that 4,000,000 *Jews* were murdered at
Auschwitz.
You ability to do arithmetic is secondary to your lying about what
numbers you are manipulating.
But you know that.
>
> Excuse me. That means and average of only 180 prisoners per camp. I
did not
> realize it was so low. I will be happy to quote your beliefs. Or is averaging
> beyond you also. (That was rhetorical.)
Is telling the truth beyond you. (That is rhetorical, as well) You posit a
phony number and then attempt to justify on the grounds that you are “just doing
arthmetic.” SInce the numbers are of your own invention, your numeric
manipulations are meaningless.
> When the lurkers understand what I write clearly, the revisionists
understand
> what I write clearly, then it is equally clear that only holohuggers are so
> deficient in literacy and reason as to have a problem with what I write.
Sure, Matty poo. Whatis clear from your jumbled and illiterate prose is
that you are inventing your numbers.
> You were doing better when you were merely libeling me to AT&T and to
your
> service provider.
How many times do you have to be told, Matty poo. Telling the truth is
not “libel.”
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 23 Sep 1996 20:44:22 GMT, [email protected] (william c
anderson)
> wrote:
> >Uh-huh. That’s a fascinating observation, Matt. Say, do you intend
/> >ever to explain the following assertions which you’ve recently posted
> >on alt.revisionism? Each and every one of the assertions, you see,
> >is wrong; I’m sure the lurkers would like to know why you made them:
[a minor sampling of Giwer’s lies snipped]
> >How about it, Matt? Any explanation?
Your answer is “no” Bill but then Giwer compounds his felonies by
presenting proof of another of his lies:
> I wonder if the ten hour ventilation time has anything to do with the
> long promised Degesh pub not showing up before.
> Source: Zyklon for Pest Control, Degesch Publication
> Ventilation
>
> During this operation gas-masks must be worn. The ventilation takes
> place in the reverse
> direction to the gassing. All windows near the entrance are opened
> first, then gradually those in
> the rest of the building. It is advisable to work only for 10 to 15
> minutes at a time and then to make
> interruptions of half an hour, as a precaution against skin poisoning.
> Depending on concentration, outdoor tempature and weather conditions,
> ventilation will take at
> least 10 hours. Clearing of tins and residues may be commenced before
> the end of airing.
> Windows and doors must remain open, and gas-masks kept available.
ZYKLON
> tins and
> absorbent material must always be collected and cleared away before the
> resumption of work.
> Source: Zyklon for Pest Control, Degesch Publication
Of course, Giwer has repeatedly claimed that ZB was used to kill flies
in morgues.
Perhaps he will explain how? Or perhaps he will fianlly admit that he
makes up whatever lie will serve him at the particular moment?
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> I wonder if the ten hour ventilation time has anything to do with the
> long promised Degesh pub not showing up before.
> Source: Zyklon for Pest Control, Degesch Publication
> persons from entering. Time of exposure depends on the type of pests to
> be attacked; for the
> destruction of the various types of moths and their pre-adult stages 24
> hours will suffice, against
> other kinds of insect pests one should fumigate for 48 hours. If there
> are any dense stowages or
> bulkss of commodities to penetrate, the time of exposure may need to be
> extended to 72 hours.
Sounds like the perfect material to kill flies in an environment where
people work. Giwer has claimed that is the use to which ZB was put. Anybody
with the least bit of knowledge knows that to prevent maggots you must
disinfect twice a day. Since each disinfection would take 48-72 hours that
would mean . . . . . . .
Tell us, Matty poo, how many hours are in a day?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: David Irving: Hear him YOURSELF, via the Internet!!
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> John Galt <[email protected]> writes:
> I’ve noticed that Jewish folks use the work ‘goyim’ to refer to those of
> us who aren’t Jews. Would you please be so kind as to explain to me and
> the other non-Hebrew speaking members of this NG what the literal
> meaning of the word ‘goyim’ is?
> I would appreciate it very much.
You are dealing with two languages Hebrew and Yiddish. In Hebrew
the word “goyim” means, simply “nations.” That would have included the
various Hebrew states. I believe that when Abraham left Ur the word used in
Genesis was “ad’goyim” i.e. he went out into the “world.”
In Yiddish — about 1/3 of the words in Yiddish are derived from Hebrew
— the word “goy” has come to mean “non-Jew.” The pural is “goyim” meaning,
collectively, those who are not Jewish. While the word “goy” is a simple
descriptive, it can also be used used perjoratively as well. (examples: “He’s a
dumb goy.”; “What can you expect from a goy.”) I, personally, have never
heard the plural used except as a descriptive.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Bacon, Diogenes, Homer, Voltaire – enemies of Holocaust tyranny
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> Saying is one thing, action is another. Boasting words are
> boasting words only. The real substance can be determined in other
> ways. You are a liberal user of the term “anti-Semitism”. The term
> “anti-Semitism” applied and not defended.
In your case Moran the offer was made. I have on more occasions than
you can count offered to charge you with anti-Semitism before an impartial body
and prove those charges. There were a few neccessary conditions attached to
that offer to set ground rules and the final condition: that the loser pay for the
process.
You have refused to even answer that acceptance of your challenge.
> The term “Anti-Semitism” as used for the most part, is only a
> weapon. It is not an answer, it is not a reply, it is not asking for
> clarification or asking for proof. The term “anti-Semitism” is
> intended to stop all that.
In you case the term is descriptive and accurate. You are an
anti-Semite. The intention is taxonomic.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] writes:
> > You are changing the issue. The issue is not whether he read “each
> > and every issue” but whether he read the mag. He did.
> So did others. What does this prove?
That he read Der Stuermer. That was the issue.
> > He commented on it openly to several people.
> Hearsay.
Nope. it’s direct testimony for the fact that he read it.
> No. You are in error. For whatever reasons, Hitler prohibited Streicher from
> making any public speeches from 1940 through the duration of the war. If
> Streicher’s offenses were mundane, as you say, then perhaps it was
unnececessary
> to actually incarcerate him.
It was for financial crimes.
> to why it wasn’t. There is no proof that Hilter continued to read the
publication,
> aside from hearsay, and even less proof that, if he did, it exerted any
influence on him.
Wrong again. Eyewitness testimony is *not* hearsay. Please learn
the difference.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Autopsy reports of gassing where there were no gas chambers
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> > No the claim is that there was a medical report issued by Dr. Larson
> >based on his autopsies and chemical testing done at a laboratory in Paris.
> It is good to see you are now retracting your claim that there were
autopsy
> reports in the document of which the summary was posted. Of course there
are no
> such autopsy reports in the document despite your claim. And you claim to
have
> the document right in front of you.
I have never made such a claim, I therefore do not retract. The report
*is* a report of the autopisies he performed.
> Can’t afford a scanner? Mail xeroxes to me and I will post them.
Consider your
> bluff called.
Look up the URL that Van Altstine gave you.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> > Since the British used the water and no-one was harmed by it; your
> >statement that it wa polluted is ridciulous.
> Back to cases. If corpses are rotting in the water, our brilliant
counselor
> says, take out the bodies and the water is pure. What next, counselor? Sip
> around the turds and be safe?
> Hey, genius! Tell us more.
Frankly the “pollution” seems to be an invention of the revisionists.
The fact is that the water was used and there were no ill-effects. You can bluster
and lie and misrepresent the facts all you wish. That does not change what
happened. The British arrived, connected the pumps that were already in place
and supplied water to the those in the camps.
Please note as well that Dachua was established in 1933. The water
source was never changed. If there were corpses in the water supply it was
bcause your nazi pals put them there. If raw sewage was diverted into the water
supply it was because your nazi heros did so.
The evidence is fairly clear, however, that these are figments of your
imagination.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Kreiberg’s plans to deport Danish citizens
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> [email protected] writes:
> > >When people discuss their “roots,” I often explain to them that I can
> > >trace mine back to a pit in the town of Stolin. That’s where my family
> > >history is.
>
> That’s interesting, Mr. Giwer, considering that members of my family have
> BEEN TO and SEEN the pit where my relatives died. I have seen the
> photographs.
> What you fail to see, Mr. Giwer, is thatn when your ancectors died, their
> possessions remained intact. They were placed in graves with gravestones.
> You can go look at the graves, you can touch the letters, photographs, and
> other memorabilia that belonged to them.
> That is not possible for me, since everything belonging to the Jews of
> Stolin was destroyed.
> You may not believe in the Holocaust, Mr. Giwer, which just shows you’re
> stupid. But to tell me that my family was not killed, when the evidence
> clearly exists in the town of Stolin, in the pit on the edge of town, in
> the histories recorded in Yad Vashem; that just means you’re either
> delusional or stupid.
> Or both.
As a further note geneological research in the former Soviet Union can
be very difficult. Many gravestones in Jewish cemetaries did not have family
names. Moreover the Soviets made an attempt to destroy many of the older
cemetaries both Jewish and non-Jewish. In Lithuania headstones from both the
Catholic and Jewish cemetaries were removed, broken up, and used as paving
blocks.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Morris can’t even quote Bacon correctly.[ according to Collins]…..
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> Okay you guys of the General Editors and Advisory Board of the
> new Oxford Francis Bacon, get a load of this one by your Assistant
> Editor.
I am sure they would be happy with it. Unlike you, they probably
recognize decent schlorship.
> PS Did you see the one where he hammers on Mr.Bacon’s history?
I would hazard a guess that all of them have read Catherine Dirnker
Bowen’s “The Lion and the Throne” and have few illusions about the political
activities of the man they are studying. Bacon was chancellor of the Star
Chamber. I suggest you you up “Star Chamber” or “Star Chamber justice” in
any good dictionary. As Black’s Law Dictionary notes: “In the reign of Henry
VIII and his successors, the jurisdiction of the court was illegally extended to
such a degree (especially in punishing disobedience to the king’s arbitrary
procalmations) that it bacame odious to the nation, and was abolished.”
> >[email protected] (John Morris) wrote:
> > highfalutin, -ing (haIf&schwa.’lu:tIn), sb. and a. orig. U.S.
> > slang. Also -ten, hifalutin. [f. HIGH a.: the origin of the second
> > element is unknown; it was perh. a whimsical pronunciation of
> > fluting, or a grandiose equivalent of flying or flown.]
> > A sb. Absurdly pompous speech or writing; bombast.
> > […]
> > B adj. Absurdly pompous or bombastic in style.
> > –from the online OED2
> >The OED2 gives 1839 as its earliest historical reference, but I am
> >*sure* I saw it used in Chaucer. Maybe it was Lydgate. Something
> >Middle English anyway.
> >At any rate, I still hold the position in question. What I “went off
> >to a couple of months ago” was a research trip connected with the
> >position in question. I have been involved in the same research
> >project for over five years.
> >What I also got a couple of months ago was a shiny new job title. I
> >confess that my pleasure about it caused me to describe it in somewhat
> >highfalutin terms.
> >Mr. Moran has simply misremembered the circumstances. And thus much
> >for Mr. Moran’s powers of memory, to use the Baconian idiom.
No John. He lied.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: 4,000,000 less 3,000,000 still leaves 6,000,000
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> [email protected] (John Morris) wrote:
> >Deniers have been claiming recently that the Soviet figure was the
> >figure presented at the International Military Tribunal hearings at
> >Nuremberg. Matt Giwer in particular has repeatedly made this claim
> >while neglecting to provide a reference for his claim.
> >The truth of the matter is that the figure entered into evidence at
> >Nuremberg was four million, but four million for all concentration
> >camps of all kinds. In addition, this figure was not provided by the
> >Soviets, as deniers claim, but by the United States based upon
> >documents it had collected:
> After Mr.Morris claims the figure was never entered at Nuremberg,
> he goes off to expound on statements from sources that make no
> reference to any Nuremberg to show it wasn’t.
Poor l’il tommy. He is ignorant. That, in itself, is not a problem but poor l’il
tommy chooses to make public pronouncements on the matters of which he is
ignorant. In this case he apaprently did not recognize that the “statements from
sources that make no reference to any Nuremberg” were, in fact, citations from the
IMT records.
Back to the drawing board, l’il tommy.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> If the average age was 50 and given the average life expectancy in the
60 to 65
> range (it was 63 average in the US in that time frame, 61 for men), that is an
> extremely high survival rate over seven years.
> You are so blinded by your traitorous, jew hatred that fall on your sword
over
> elementary population distributions. Undergraduate stuff. I forgot, computer
> science. You would not know anything about this sort of thing. It is too hard
> for CS types.
Actually you are, once more, showing your ignorance of basic science.
Life expectancy is *not* computed based on total life expectancy (as you did) but
the life expectancy of the cohort. In the 1930’s the life expectancy for a *newborn*
might well have been 61; the life expectancy for a 50 year old man was higher.
Please learn some basic demographics. This is as bad as when you
described distributions of 3-0 and 283-5 as being within normal demographic limits.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Baron Lies About the ADL Again
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> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken”
writes:
> > I checked out the Tulsa World. They said that if they carried such a
> > story it was a wire feed. There was no such wire feed. Wilcox is not the ADL.
> It could be that someone sent me a forged copy of the Tulsa World article, or
> it could be that you’re lying. Occam’s Razor says the latter. By the way,
> what does the ADL say about anti-Semitism in America, in your humble opinion?
If so, then the wire source was printed with the article? What was it
Lyin’ Al? You have pulled this line before. Specifically when you were caught
lying about Christine Jeffries you claimed a source which never mentioned the
incident you reported. The fact that the only publication of a article you can cite is
a newspaper which does not carry original articles on national news is fairly
indicative of your honesty.
Why don’t you read their reports Lyin’ Al? They are much more
informative than retellings.
By the way, I take it this is — at long last — an admission that you cannot
point to a statement from the ADL stating that 20% of Americans are anti-Semites.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Tom Moran Can’t read (again!)
(Was Re: Holocaust Specifications For “Proof”)
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> Ken McVay OBC ([email protected]) wrote:
> : In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Mark Van Alstine) wrote:
> : >In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected]
> : >(Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> : >
> : >> In article <32[email protected]>, Keith Morrison <[email protected]> wrote:
> : >>
> : >> >Richard Schultz wrote:
> : >> >> Keith “It’s a man’s life posting to Usenet” Morrison ([email protected]) wrote:
> : >> >> : No! Not another Python cascade! The horror!
> : >> >> You’re no fun anymore!
> : >> >Yes I am.
> : >> No you’re not.
> : >Yes he is
> : No he isn’t
> Oh, look, this is ridiculous
No. “Ridiculous” is next door where Moran is posting.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> I said about 1 in a 100 speak it. Now you are talking about reading it.
Want
> to go for idiot of year?
Matty poo is already starting to backtrack. We now have a new claim
as Matty poo tries to extricate himself. Now he is apparently saying that Israelis
use this “dead language” for their written communications, street signs, etc. but
do not bother to speak it.
Of course, Matty poo has yet to think up his explanation for why street
signs in Israel are in Hebrew and the laws of Israel are in Hebrew. He claimed
that they were not.
It would be hard for anyone to “go for idiot of the year” when Matty
poo is around. He has the title locked up.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Giwer admits again that he is a troll….
Date: 26 Sep 1996 03:18:20 GMT
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 24 Sep 1996 02:21:21 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Becasue they are true. To review the bidding you sent me your usual
> >anit-Semitic garbage in an e-mail. You were asked, as you have been in the
past,
> >not to send me any e-mail. Your entire response was:
> > “I am tired of your shit. Fuck off.”
> > That communication, in itself, is criminal harrassment.
> Responses to your email can not be considered harrassment while the
email you
> initiated can be.
Garbage. You e-mailed me anit-Semitic material. You were asked to
stop. Not only is that not harrassment but it was at the direction of your ISP after
their logs demonstrated that you had sent it to me. Your response to a request
not send me e-mail is quoted in full above.
> To keep your lies straight. I have never initiated email to you yet you
hae to
> me and done so many times all with the same pretention that I started it.
> Thus you went over the line in your libel.
Garbage. I have all of your e-mails. You have sent me e-mail on at
least five different occasions.
> Only a jew can justify deliberate lies as easily as you do.
Anytime you want to make a court case, be my guest.
> > That’s a lie. I have to original e-mail from you Matty poo. You have
> >sent me e-mail on at four other occasions. I have asked you, each and every
> >time, not to send me e-mail. Netcom has copies of the e-mail you sent. Now
> >worldnet does as well.
>
> > You are lying Matty poo. And I am not the only one you have
harrassed
> >with e-mail.
>
> It is interesting that what you copied to me supports the position that
are
> lying. And again, more unsolicited email from you in sending me those copies
> which does indicate you are the initiator of it all.
Those were ccs sent at the direction of you ISP. You know it.
> > You went over the edge when you decided to violate the criminal laws
> >and send your filthy anti-Semitic rhetoric to aperson who has repeatedly
asked you
> >not to. The logs of netcom demonstrated that you sent it.
> Criminal? Did I hear criminal? Hey man! When does the FBI come
around to talk
> to me? When do I get arrested? How many times is “criminal” going to be
> mentioned here?
You are a liar and a criminal.
–YFE
From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 07:47:29 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
Date: 26 Sep 1996 13:04:39 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> > Yours sir. In every other case, you demand bang-on proof. But when it comes
> > to your own argument, you will accept anything. The books mentioned above
> > don’t even deal with the treatment of Hoess, let alone prove his testimony was
> > invalid or obtained under torture. Thus, it is _you_ who employs the double
> > standard.
> Mr. McFee, do you even know what you are talking about here. i have already
referred
> you and a half-dozen others to the proof. But, no matter-I will deal with this soon…..
No. You have, in fact, stated your statements were based on “reasonable
suspicions.”
–YFE
From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 14:44:30 PDT 1996
Article: 69009 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Streicher’s Crime against Humanity
Date: 24 Sep 1996 23:13:43 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> Indeed. Telford Taylor, for instance, disagreed with Streicher’s sentence.
> However, I think Taylor’s opinion was too colored by legalism at the
> expense of the moral dimension. Taylor- rightly, I might add -was very
> concerned about the the legal dimensions of the Nuremberg trials.
> However, once the _procedural_ events of the trials concluded, and the
> Tribunal needed to make decisions on guilt ot innocence, the _moral_
> dimension came into play as well. That, after all, is what a judge must
> do- reconcile the legal and moral dimensions to serve Justice.
Taylor was an outstanding lawyer (he was involved in the Miranda
case, for example) and looked at the Nuremberg trial from that perspective. It
was clear to me that he was not happy with the case against Streicher. While he
does not come out directly and make the statement, he strongly implies that
Streicher was convicted as much because he was stupid as becasue he was
evil. Technically there is not much hope for a defendant who starts his testimony
with an attack on his own lawyer. When I read a transcript of Streicher’s
testimony, I was bothered that his lawyer did not attempt to withdraw. In a similar
situation I could not see how I could give effective representation under those
circumstances.
–YFE
From [email protected] Thu Sep 26 14:44:30 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
Date: 26 Sep 1996 12:56:53 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> You have already received the answer, yet you pretend that you did not.
> The British supplied water to the camp by piping it in from the river running
> near the camp. The river which Kramer thought was polluted.
No, the river which was not polluted which *you* state Kramer
thought was polluted. Where is your evidence for this?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
Date: 26 Sep 1996 12:55:22 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> Do you know anything about the treatment of severe dysentery and
gastro-enteritis?
> The treatment is NOT to give food. In fact, when food was given to some of
these
> unfortunates by the British, they died. Next time, think before you ask a question,
or
> at least take the time to research it.
Answer: rblackmore has evidently not researched it. The modern
treatment is nutrition and intenstive fluid replacement. Kramer provided neither. He
cut off the water. Medially speaking that was certain to kill those suffering from
dystentery.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
Date: 26 Sep 1996 12:59:51 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> The water in the camp was NOT potable-with or without the British. Now, I
read
> that they brought potable generators with them. So, in order to reach the truth,
> please post exactly HOW the British supplied water directly from the river
without
> first treating it?
That is nonsense. People drank it. They did not suffer. Ergo it was
potable. The British supplies the water by turning on the pumps. Since the
“pollution” is a figment of your imagination it was a relatively easy process.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 08:57:28 PDT 1996
Article: 69250 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Get your FREE copy today!
Date: 27 Sep 1996 04:17:05 GMT
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 25 Sep 1996 20:24:25 GMT, [email protected] (william c
anderson)
> >So now you’re netcopping for the National Alliance, Matt?
> I report simple theft of intellectual property that is in violation of US
and
> international law regarding protection of intellectual property.
> Do you have a problem with that? If so, why?
What some people wonder about is why a criminal like you should
care.
–YFE
Here’s Giwer’s response to a request that he cease and desist from
sending me e-mail:
“I’m tired of your shit. Fuck off.”
To make his point perfectly clear, two days later Giwer sent me an
e-mail version of his anti-Semitic doggerel.
As a result of this and other violations of his contract for
services, Giwer’s account at netcom.com was suspended.
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Giwer Still Won’t Admit His Nonsense
Date: 27 Sep 1996 02:39:37 GMT
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 25 Sep 1996 20:21:42 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
> wrote:
> >Actually, you said it was a dead language.
>
> I said it was dead 2000 years ago.
And you then stated it is dead today.
> I did not address the fanatical zionists
> reviving it as a matter of religious inclination about 100 years ago. It is
> still not more than a matter of religious fanaticism.
No. It is the national language of Israel. Somehting you have denied.
Specifically you have stated that street signs in Israel are not in Hebrew, trials do not
take place in Hebrew, speeches in the Knesset are not made in Hebrew and laws are
not promugated in Hebrew. In all cases you were wrong.
> No one knowing anything about linguistics can pretend that it is anything
other
> than a faked form of the language.
Since people speak in Hebrew and write in Hebrew, the fake is you.
You are a loon.
–YFE
Giwer’s civilized response to a request that he send no more e-mail: “I am
tired on your shit. Fuck off.” Two days later he sent e-mail containing his
usual anti-Semitic vitriol.
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Acceptance makes truth
Date: 27 Sep 1996 04:24:50 GMT
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> >[email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> >> You keep threatening law suits, Matty poo. Someday you might be
> >>drunk enough to actually do something. Remember that the judge will be
very
> >>unhappy when he catches you lying.
> > Assuming Matt doesn’t recieve contempt of court for insulting the
> >judge…
> It is not the business of a judge to catch anyone in lying else he would
doing
> the job of the attorneys. But you still believe YFE is an attorney.
So apparently does the Attorney Registration Board. They took my
money ans issued me a license, It’s number 40290.
But. of course, Matyt poo if you do not believe it, call up the Supreme
Court of Pennsylvania and complain.
But you won’t another crime to rap sheet will you.
–YFE
M. Giwer response to a request to stop harassing me with obscene
e-mail: “I’m tired of your shit. Fuck off.”
From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 08:57:30 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Priests Murdered in Dachau
Date: 27 Sep 1996 00:56:30 GMT
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> Now that you are on the right track, what was the average life
expectancy of the
> cohort in the camp? If you can not answer that, you can not determine the
> expected number of deaths. Nor can it be determined if the number of deaths
is
> out of line with that expectation.
The average life expectancy for an American male aged 50 in 1939-41
was 25.52 years. Yes, the figures for deaths are way out of line.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: unsolicited email
Date: 27 Sep 1996 01:55:44 GMT
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> What happens is that every month or so, out of nowhere, YFE sends me email
> complaining that I have sent him unsolicited email. (Lately he has taken to
> claiming that is is also anti-semitic and obscene but he is getting rather
> hysterical.) He also demands that I stop sending him email.
That is because you sent me e-mail. At least one e-mail you sent contains
your anti-Semitic doggeral. Your reply to my request that you not send me e-mail was “I
am tired of your shit. Fuck off.” That is obscene. Two days after you sent that e-mail
you did so again. That is criminal harrassment.
> I respond by informing him that I have never initiated any email to him.
In other words you respond with a lie. I have the e-mail Matty poo.
> Then he complains that my response to his unsolicited and causeless email is
> unsolicited email and that he uses as the basis for his libelous complaints.
> One would think that an attorney would know better than to do something as
> obvious as that.
The response to my request to stop was the message “I am tired of your shit.
Fuck off.” followed by another e-mail.
If you think I can’t produce them, Matty poo, sue me.
In the meantime you engaged in harrassment. You are a criminal.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: holohuggers are thieves
Date: 27 Sep 1996 13:04:23 GMT
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
>
> > In case anyone missed it, the violation of my copyright by Nizkor proves that
> > holohuggers are thieves.
>
> So sue, you big twit.
Matty poo, our resident criminal, has claimed that he made a criminal
complaint to Canadian authorities. While I doubt that he did — I have nt heard
any gales of laughter blowing in from the north — maybe it is time for him to give a
report of what he was told.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Our Resident Criminal Speaks
Date: 27 Sep 1996 13:00:56 GMT
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> In case anyone missed it, the violation of my copyright by Nizkor proves
that
> holohuggers are thieves.
>
> They are not fit for civilized society.
We now have a new arbitor of what is and what is not civilized
behavior.
He gave us a fine example what he considers “civilized” behavior
when he was asked to stop harrassig me with unwanted e-mail. His reponse was
“I’m tired of your shit. Fuck off.” He then demonstrated what he meant by this
statement by sending me an anti-Semitic rant.
It should be noted when Giwer refers to “civilized society” he refers to
the society that can only be found in select locations, Sing Sing, Leavenworth,
Folsom, Raiford . . . . . .
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer admits again that he is a troll….
Date: 27 Sep 1996 00:35:50 GMT
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 26 Sep 1996 03:18:20 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> > Becasue they are true. To review the bidding you sent me your usual
> >> >anit-Semitic garbage in an e-mail. You were asked, as you have been in
the
> >past,
> >> >not to send me any e-mail. Your entire response was:
> >
> >> > “I am tired of your shit. Fuck off.”
> >
> >> > That communication, in itself, is criminal harrassment.
> > Garbage. You e-mailed me anit-Semitic material. You were asked to
> >stop. Not only is that not harrassment but it was at the direction of your ISP
after
> >their logs demonstrated that you had sent it to me. Your response to a request
> >not send me e-mail is quoted in full above.
> Strange they told me quite the opposite about the logs. But then you
are known
> to get hysterical on this subject. You are very strange. I would suggest you
> get a prosthetic foreskin so you can feel like a whole man again rather than
> like a sexually mutilated primitive.
You’re lying, Matty poo. The proof of that is where you are posting
from.these days.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 19:17:24 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: uprising update
Date: 27 Sep 1996 01:32:39 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> > And as part of the great spoken language debate, when the Mayor of
Jerusalem
> >gave his insult that the religious affront was for mercantile tourism he was
> >speaking to the local TV cameras. He was also speaking english.
Netanyahu
> >speaking from Paris also spoke in English.
> Matt, old cretin, if the mayor were speaking *only* for local news
> shows, you never would have seen or heard him, would you? Or were
> you in Jerusalem at the time? Of course Israelis frequently speak
> English for an international audience. English is very popular and
> widely spoken in Israel. Same in the Netherlands. That doesn’t make
> English the national language of either country.
It should also be noted that Netanyahu was educated at Cheltenham
High School (a location well-known to students of American Constitutional law)
where he was a school-mate of Reggie Jackson and MIT. For obvious reasons
he is comfortable speaking English.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 19:17:25 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Holocaust and the Nuremberg Trials
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> [email protected] (tom moran) makes an idiot of himself:
> In felony trials defendants aren’t usually ask if they did it or
> not.
According to Moran a judge never asks a defendant “How do you
plead? Guilty or not guilty?”
> That is the first step on arrest.
The first step on arrest is (state) read the Miranda rights or (federal)
read the McNab rights.
> Perhaps you could present some scenarios of how any denials would
> come to take place.
Sure.
1. In a demurrer before the trial.
2. When the defendant presents his defense.
> Should a defendant jump up from his seat and yell ‘I didn’t do
> it, I tell you. I didn’t do it’.
No his lawyer does that when he presents his evidence and argues
his case to the court.
> Would he be ask on the stand.
That’s one way of doing it if the defendant decides to testify. Most
of the defendants at Nuremberg testified. Further all of the defendants were
allowed to make unsworn statements to the court (highly unusual in
Anglo-American law) which were not subject to cross-examination.
> Did anyone ever ask.
Why didn’t they just say so. They were allowed to address the court
in unsworn statements.
> And would it make any difference if there were denials. Denials
> do nothing.
Not when the evidence is against you.
> If you were ever arrested for say murder, and your attorney
> allowed the procedures to go forth in the same order as Nuremberg,
> guilty or no, you’d be hung.
Please tell us all the American jurisdictions which allow a defendant
to address the court with an unsworn statement and not be cross-examined on
it.
> Or if you knew any law, and you defended yourself ‘pro per’,
> you’d be screaming, ‘I want my mommy’.
How do you defend yourself “‘pro per?'” What does this strange
phrase mean? Why has no-one told Black’s Law Dicitionary about it?
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Sep 27 23:30:07 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) our resident criminal tries to distract others from
the truth::
> As I have noted I have not been able to save all of the thousands of your
> mailbombs to me but I can return what I do have left.
But I saved the anti-Semitc and obscene e-mail you sent to me. Nizkor
saved your attempted extortion and mailbombs.
> It is also interesting that you are clearly making Mike Carr a partner in your
> mail bombing. I would have thought it improper for an ISP to be involved in
> mailbombing such as you have been doing. But if you are saying that Carr
> supports your abuse of the net that is fine with me also. I will have no
> problem sending him everything I have left of what you have sent me.
Strange. That’s exactly what netcom noted when they found out about your
criminal activities.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Sep 30 07:33:13 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Priests Murdered in Dachau
Date: 30 Sep 1996 04:24:53 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> Moreover, who says that the SS would put them in the same
> list as priests? That they would bother to list them at all?
> The fact that the Nazis deported and killed so many priests
> is driving our “revisionists” crazy. It’s quite clear why.
I wonder how how he would react to document NS 3 425 in the
Bunesachiv Koblenz dated December 31, 1943, ordering all KZs to report on the
number of Christian clergy inprisoned in the camps.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Priests Murdered in Dachau
Date: 30 Sep 1996 04:37:08 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> I hesitate to enter the fray on the side of the cretins, but the original
> list was of “clergy” and explicitly included a couple Muslims, so the
> question “Where were the rabbis?” is not quite as stupid as you suppose.
Actually the key to the problem is that the lists were specifically
compiled at the order of SS headquarters. I have elsewhere posted the citation
for the specific order. The reason for the order seems to be that Christian clergy
were afforded better treatment at some camps. The order to list them was part of
an order by Himmler to give them *worse* treatment.
> It is rather insinuative, but exactly what the cretins are trying to
> insinuate, I don’t know. That since there were apparently no rabbis at
> Dachau, rabbis were immune from the Holocaust? Like there weren’t enough
> other concentration camps for them, not to mention more directly homicidal
> methods to get rid of them?
That would assume some form of meaningful mentition on the part of
Giwer and Moran. Do you have any evidence that would support such an
assumption?
I thought not.
> Then there’s the idiot Giwer who supposes that since there were no rabbis
> at Dachau, there were no Jews there either. I guess he figures that the
> Nazis were so concerned with the religious well-being of concentration
> camp inmates that they would surely have grabbed appropriate clergy for
> every religion represented.
In which case he is in for a surprise.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
> What evidence? That Kramer thought it was polluted? Well, we can’t very
> well ask him today, can we?
Then why are you alleging that he did?
>No, it is up to you now to prove that the British
> did not use filtering machines to supply drinkable water to the detainees.
They testified that all they used was the pumps and supplies already in the
camps. If you have proof they were lying, post it.
> this is an odd request from a man who suggested that all Kramer need do was remove
> rotting corpses covered in excrement from the water in order for the prisoners to
relieve
> their thirst. Thank God you weren’t in command of that camp instead of Kramer!
This is your description. The British found no such conditions. They hooked
up the water supply and supplied potable drinking water to the inmates. Kramer never
did.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Sep 30 07:33:15 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
> > Answer: rblackmore has evidently not researched it. The modern
> > treatment is nutrition and intenstive fluid replacement. Kramer provided neither. He
> > cut off the water. Medially speaking that was certain to kill those suffering from
> > dystentery.
> Yes, this is what I have already said. However, you have already stated that
> all Kramer need have done was removing the putrifying corpses from the
> stagnant water in the compounds and everyone could then guzzle water to their
> heart’s content…..By the way, fluid replacement in this case would have to be
> administered intravenously.
Where did the water the British supplied come from?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
> And I will say it again: Kramer was a victim of circumstances.
Kramer was a murderer.
Where did the British get the water to supply the camp?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > That is nonsense. People drank it. They did not suffer. Ergo it was
> > potable. The British supplies the water by turning on the pumps. Since the
> > “pollution” is a figment of your imagination it was a relatively easy process.
> This is avoiding the issue.
The only one avoiding the issue is you.
The British supplied water in a matter of hours. Where did it come from?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
> No, it does not. You seem to have a problem with it though. The two cases
> are not relevant, and neither are the circumstances. If you don’t mind, I really
> don’t want to enter into a discussion on Auschwitz just yet. I am still researching.
Then tell us about the research that you claim you did. You have read the
testimony posted here. The British supplied water to the camp in matter of hours
using the camp equipment.
Where did they get the water?
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Sep 30 07:33:18 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Holocaust and the Nuremberg Trials
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> > Should a defendant jump up from his seat and yell ‘I didn’t do
> >it, I tell you. I didn’t do it’.
> “Your honor, I move the defendant’s outburst be stricken from the
record.”
> “Granted.”
Contrary to normal Anglo-American procedure, the defendants were
permitted to make unsworn statements to the court. The judge, therefore, would
have said:
“Granted. The defendant may make any statement he wishes after the
evidence is presented.”
But you knew that.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Priests Murdered in Dachau
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 27 Sep 1996 00:56:30 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> >> Now that you are on the right track, what was the average life
> >expectancy of the
> >> cohort in the camp? If you can not answer that, you can not determine the
> >> expected number of deaths. Nor can it be determined if the number of
deaths
> >is
> >> out of line with that expectation.
> > The average life expectancy for an American male aged 50 in 1939-41
> >was 25.52 years. Yes, the figures for deaths are way out of line.
> Poland is not America. It is lower today, it is presumed to have been
lower
> them. As this occurred over a period of seven years the first cut is 1/3 dead
> from natural causes.
Just to prove how stupid you are, we’ll use your phoney numbers (the
one you are making up to prove your point). If the average life expectancy is 20
years and we assume the death rate to be constant, the “first cut” estimate for the
*six* years (September 1939 — April 1945) would be approximately 15% from
natural causes.
Now do you want to invent some new numbers?
> Now go explain it to the jew traitor Keren.
I think he can do basic arithmetic. You have, in this post, proved that it
is beyond you.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Sep 30 07:33:20 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 27 Sep 1996 01:55:44 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > That is because you sent me e-mail. At least one e-mail you sent
contains
> >your anti-Semitic doggeral. Your reply to my request that you not send me
e-mail was “I
> >am tired of your shit. Fuck off.” That is obscene. Two days after you sent
that e-mail
> >you did so again. That is criminal harrassment.
> You left out the intermediate communications where I explained to you
that I had
> sent you no email. You then responded that my reply was unsolicited email.
It
> was then I told you to fuck off. It was that message you claimed was 1)
obscene
> and 2) sent to your family. I saved your message.
That is a lie. Matty poo. You claimed that the e-mail was a forgery by
Grynspan.
> “Fuck off” is not obscene. “shit” is not obscene. It was not sent to
your
> family. You are clearly lying on both counts.
Want to bet Matty poo? The message was sent to me and my family.
It is obscene. It is harrassment.
You are a criminal.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Holocaust and the Nuremberg Trials
Date: 30 Sep 1996 05:11:49 GMT
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 27 Sep 1996 01:25:51 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > According to Moran a judge never asks a defendant “How do you
> >plead? Guilty or not guilty?”
> That is called the arraigment hearing where the accused, after private
meeting
> with his counsel, enter a plea. Since the accused at Nuremberg were not
granted
> that step … in fact many reported only learning what they were accused of
> during breaks in the trial where the charges were translated for them.
Moran’ statement was “the first step after arrest.” The first step after
arrest is an arraignment. That is still, depending on the jurisdiction, not a plea.
The arraignment is merely to inform the defendant of the charges against him and
to set bail. The plea is not entered until after a preliminary hearing when the state
demonstrates a prima facie case. The plea is entered before the judge.
In fact, the indictments were presented to the accused and their
counsel long before the trial. All pleaded at the beginning of the trial.
> But you consider that a fair trial.
Since your version never happened your comment is ridiculous.
> >> That is the first step on arrest.
>
> > The first step on arrest is (state) read the Miranda rights or (federal)
> >read the McNab rights.
> And you hold the accused at Nuremberg were read those rights.
They wer informed of their right to counsel before interrogation. That is
well-documented.
> >> Perhaps you could present some scenarios of how any denials would
> >> come to take place.
>
> > Sure.
>
> > 1. In a demurrer before the trial.
>
> > 2. When the defendant presents his defense.
>
>
> >> Should a defendant jump up from his seat and yell ‘I didn’t do
> >> it, I tell you. I didn’t do it’.
>
> > No his lawyer does that when he presents his evidence and argues
> >his case to the court.
> But as we know even the defense counsels were often not given the
charges before
> the trial began. But you hold that is a fair trial.
We all know the opposite. The indictments were presented to counsel
before the trial.
Any one who says otherwise is a liar.
You may take that personally.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> >In <52fc70[email protected]> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> >! That is because you sent me e-mail. At least one e-mail you sent
contains
> >! your anti-Semitic doggeral. Your reply to my request that you not send me
e-mail was “I
> >! am tired of your shit. Fuck off.” That is obscene. Two days after you sent
that e-mail
> >! you did so again. That is criminal harrassment.
> >! > Then he complains that my response to his unsolicited and causeless
email is
> >! > unsolicited email and that he uses as the basis for his libelous complaints.
> >! > One would think that an attorney would know better than to do
something as
> >! > obvious as that.
> >!
> >! The response to my request to stop was the message “I am tired of
your shit.
> >! Fuck off.” followed by another e-mail.
> >!
> >! If you think I can’t produce them, Matty poo, sue me.
> >!
> >! In the meantime you engaged in harrassment. You are a criminal.
> And dickless is challenged to make good on his claim that my
activities are
> criminal by filing a formal complaint.
No Matty poo. You are a criminal. Please do not inform me how to
deal with your crimes.
I will deal with them by reminding you regularly and in public of your
behavior.
The fact, Matty poo is that you are garbage.
> But dickless will not do so because he knows he is lying.
Then sue me Matty poo. You are guilty of criminal harrassment, Matty
poo. I want every lurker who even thinks that that there might be an iota of
honesty in your post what you are and how you operate.
When your current ISP kicks you off, the next will be informed of your
activities as well.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Sep 30 07:33:22 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
Date: 30 Sep 1996 06:42:13 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > No. You have, in fact, stated your statements were based on “reasonable
> > suspicions.”
> Yes, based upon facts.
You have failed to present a single fact indicating that Hoess was tortured
into giving a confession.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
Date: 30 Sep 1996 06:36:12 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > Brian Harmon <[email protected]> writes:
> > It is rather telling that the British were able to restore food and
> > water within days,
> > Kramer had three months, and nothing was done.
> I thought this was already addressed?
Not by you. You have yet to tell us where the British obtained water.
> > Also, the testimony of Harold Ledruillence, an American prisoner in
> > the camp ’employed’ as a corpse carrier mentions that inmates
> > (including him) were not allowed to touch water despite the
> > fact that they were dying of thirst.
> Well, I would need to review his comments. Where may this be found?
> What reason was given for this refusal and by whom was it directly ordered?
Kramer.
> Yes. I am not trying to deceive anyone here. I simply think that the
circumstances
> surrounding particularly abhorrent accusations should be researched
completely. This
> is how I define my own particular type of “revisionism”. If the facts prove the
allegations
> to be true, then so be it. I have no problem with stating so openly. I am just
trying to
> show people that there may have been mitigating circumstances involved
with some of
> these questions.
You are doing a damn poor job of it. You have been presented with
testimony that the British supplied water to the camp within hours of arriving
there.
Where did the British get the water?
> Yes. This seems to be correct. However, the water at Belsen was
contaminated. Kramer
> testified that he believed the water from the river flowing nearby was polluted.
He lied.
The British supplied water immediately.
Where did it come from?
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Sep 30 07:33:24 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Streicher’s Crime against Humanity
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Taylor was an outstanding lawyer (he was involved in the Miranda
> > case, for example) and looked at the Nuremberg trial from that perspective.
It
> > was clear to me that he was not happy with the case against Streicher.
While he
> > does not come out directly and make the statement, he strongly implies that
> > Streicher was convicted as much because he was stupid as becasue he
was
> > evil. Technically there is not much hope for a defendant who starts his
testimony
> > with an attack on his own lawyer. When I read a transcript of Streicher’s
> > testimony, I was bothered that his lawyer did not attempt to withdraw. In a
similar
> > situation I could not see how I could give effective representation under
those
> > circumstances.
> From what I read, his lawyer attempted to withdraw but was refused permission.
Actually he asked the court’s opinion as to whether he should withdraw
or not. It seems a rather weak attempt. Anglo-American practice would be a
direct request to allow him to withdraw. He might have been following European
practice.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Priests Murdered in Dachau
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
>
> Looks like Giwer has done it again. He has come out and given the
> Holocaust Defense League an avenue of diversion from the real problem.
>
> What? No rabbis?
>
>>>>
Since the commandants of the camps were specifically required to list
the Christian clergy in their camps (Document NS 3 425, Bundesarchiv Koblenz
issued December 31, 1943), why would expect rabbis to be listed?
Or are you just even stupider than you generally appear?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Priests Murdered in Dachau
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 28 Sep 1996 20:34:06 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
> wrote:
> >Tom, you still haven’t explained why you expect the Nazis to include
> >Rabbis on a list of Christian clergymen.
> The list does not say christian. Now, why no rabbis?
But the order to compile the list (Document NS 3 425 Bundesarchiv Koblenz;
sissued December 31, 1943) specifies Christian clergy.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] writes:
>
> >>>>
> Already posted the fact that Kramer thought the river was polluted.
He lied.
> Mr. Giwer also
> makes a good point when he adds that the British had to have provided some
special
> filtering apparatus for the water to have been made drinkable.
That is, obviously, incorrect. The British did no more than hook up the
equipment at the camp.
Where did they get the water?
–YFE
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Yom Kippur
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> Mentally retarded, AND senile, AND vulgar, AND a pathological liar.
You forgot his criminal activities. Giwer’s response to those who disgree
with him has included such activities as disrupting the service of others with mail
bombs and criminal harrassment.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Sep 30 11:57:23 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> >
> > Here! In this forum?!? Get thee to the National Archives and do the
> > comparisons yourself. If you feel that Larson was not qualified as an
> > expert then present your evidence. If you feel that the evidence was
> > not properly put into evidence (per-1940 law) then provide your
> > evidence.
> Don’t need to. You’re making the accusation. Now prove it.
And the proof is the expert’s report. It has been posted. You are
challenging that report. At that point, the burden of proof is on you.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
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> [email protected] writes:
> Now, now, why do you support flagrant lies? There is no autopsy report and
there are
> NO toxicological reports. If so, they would have been posted ages ago.
You have been told several times. There is a medical report from a
forensic pathologist, the conclusions of which have been posted verbatim. You
have asked for his raw notes.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Sep 30 17:05:07 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> >
> > # [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> >
> > ## Testimony of Dr. Hans W. Muench
> > ## [Quoted in “Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military
> > ## Tribunals” – Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol.
> > ## VIII, p. 313-321]
> > ## ———————————————————————-
> > ## Q. What was your first impression of Auschwitz when you arrived?
> >
> > # Whatever his interrogators told him.
> I am not familiar with the interview given by Muench. Perhaps you would care to
> post it along with his previous court testimony, so we may all examine it?
Then why did you claim it was fraudulent?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: euthanasia murders?
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> (Matt Giwer) our resident criminal tries to write:
On the other hand, who cares what Matty poo writes?
He’s an idiot that has long since prven himself a drunken bum fired from
the navy. He doesn’t like the Nuremberg trials becasue they convicted his heroes
of the murders they committed.
His affection for criminals is easily explainable. He is one himself. Matty
poo feels it is his right to illegally harass those who disagree with his ranting and
raving. A group which includes every lawyer and judge in the country. Poor Matty
poo no one takes his silliness seriously any more.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> Matt Giwer who illegally harasses those who prove him an idiot writes:
> On 30 Sep 1996 06:38:35 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> Mr. Giwer also
> >> makes a good point when he adds that the British had to have provided
some
> >special
> >> filtering apparatus for the water to have been made drinkable.
> > That is, obviously, incorrect. The British did no more than hook up the
> >equipment at the camp.
> > Where did they get the water?
> Where did they get the electricity?
Obviously from the camp. There are no reports that the electricity was
out.
Now answer the question. Where did the water come from?
From [email protected] Tue Oct 1 01:38:54 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: The Crimes of Matthew Giwer
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) gets in deeper:
> > Then sue me Matty poo. You are guilty of criminal harrassment, Matty
> >poo. I want every lurker who even thinks that that there might be an iota of
> >honesty in your post what you are and how you operate.
> The crime has to be reported, dickless. You license to practice law is on the
> line if you do not.
Let us review the bidding to this point:
1. on March 23, March 27, and July 23, 1996. Matt Giwer e-mailed me. On
the first two occasions I requested that he send me no more e-mail.
2. On August 19, 1996, Giwer, dispite my request, again sent e-mail to my
address. He was again told to cease.
3. On August 19, 1996, Giwer wrote back stating “Nor did I send any to you
you. Go over the headers carefully and see where it really came from. You will most likely
find gryn.org involved. That ‘world renouned’ [sic] expert has pulled another stunt tonight
which, although amusing, is hardly clever.”
This was a lie. The header was Giwer’s. Netcom’s logs also indicated that
Giwer sent the e-mail.
4. On August 19, 1996, Giwer, again directed e-mail to me and my family.
When asked to cease his reponse was:
“I am tired of your shit. Fuck off.”
5. To prove his disregard of the rights of others, Giwer again sent me an e-mail
on September 5, 1996 the last line of which read “Or are you still promoting the idea that
you are really an attorney?” Followed with his anti-Semitic doggerel that begins “There’s
no business like Shoah business . . . . ”
6. At this point I complained to netcom.com and called them on the telephone.
They checked their logs, confirmed that the harassment came from Giwer and agreed to
save the logs for any future action. On September 9, 1996, I received e-mail from the
abuse department of Netcom stating that his account had been suspended.
At this point two things are clear. The harassment was deliberate and the
harassment was in violation of various criminal laws including 18 P.S. 2710 (Harrassment
by Communication) and 18 P.S. 4906 (Ethnic Intimidation).
In short, this is Giwer’s methodlogy. If you disagree with him, he will harass you.
In the past he has attempted extortion against the Nizkor website. His abuse of the net
includes spamming, mail bombing at least two persons, and these criminal acts. He has
now been suspended from two providers for these acts.
His response has been vicious and bigoted personal attacks with the apparent
intent of intimidating or silencing those who disagree with his lies and his bigotry.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Holocaust and the Nuremberg Trials
Date: 30 Sep 1996 22:51:40 GMT
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 30 Sep 1996 05:15:24 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Contrary to normal Anglo-American procedure, the defendants were
> >permitted to make unsworn statements to the court. The judge, therefore,
would
> >have said:
> > “Granted. The defendant may make any statement he wishes after
the
> >evidence is presented.”
> > But you knew that.
> So, dickless here, holds that the court permitted outbursts to be
entered into
> the record.
Exactly. Article (j). The statements can be found in volume XXII.
Goering went first. No cross-examination was allowed and the prosecutors
were not in the court-room.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Where has he gone
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> Has the officer of the court really failed to report what he identifies as a
> crime?
> So much for the oath he took to practice law.
> Sounds like dickless is in full retreat here.
Sure Matty poo.
From [email protected] Tue Oct 1 01:54:46 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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Matt Giwer the criminal tries to think, he botches the job:
> >> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> >> “To restore the water supply we utilized the fire pumps and
> >> hose which we found inside the camp to pump water from a river
> >> to the camp itself”.
> >> “Did you find any reason why water should not have been provided
> >> in that camp?”
> >>
> >> “I can think of none”.
> >>
> >> Quoted from the testimony of Major Berney, “The Belsen Trial”,
> >> p. 54.
> More to the point, unless the claim is that this was an old fashioned fire
pump
> that was hand operated, there was a requirement for electricity to operate it.
> Power stations and transformer stations are among the most important targets
for
> pilots.
Matty poo’s last set of lies did not work, so he tries a new one. There
is no evidence that the electricity was out in the camp.
But we can already predict what the next set will be. The United
Nations troops were trying to kill German soldiers. Therefore, Kramer was
already dead when they arrived.
All this becasue Matty poo won’t answer a simple question: where did
the British get the water?
Perhaps Matty poo should go back to what he does best: harassing
those who disagree with him.
–YFE
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> Matt Giwer whines:
> On 30 Sep 1996 06:01:36 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > You forgot his criminal activities. Giwer’s response to those who
disgree
> >with him has included such activities as disrupting the service of others with
mail
> >bombs and criminal harrassment.
> Hey, dickless. Your last claim is that a crime has been committed. As
an
> officer of the court you are required to report it.
Wrong, Matty poo. A crime has been committed. You committed it.
Actually it was two crimes. Your first crime was Harassment by Communication,
a class three misdemeanor (18 P.S. 2710), when in response to a request
that you cease your harassment of me and my family you told us “I am tired
of your shit. Fuck off.” Your second crime occurred two days later when, in
furtherance of the threat implied in your first criminal communication you
harassed me further with another e-mail that included your rather vile anti-Semitic
rantings. This second crime was also Harassment by Communication now
compounded by “Ethnic Intimidation” (12 P.S. 4908) which elevates the crime to
a class two misdemeanor.
I suggest you talk to a lawyer.
–YFE
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