[email protected] writes:
> Without getting too deeply in this, I would like to read any of Larson’s autopsies
> for people allegedly found gassed at Dachau.
Then look up his report and read it.
> As to the well fed guards, many of
> the prisoners looked well-fed also. The majority of deaths in these camps was
due
> to disease. Typhus runs rampant very quickly and the fatality rate can be very
high.
The incubation period for typhus is approximately 14 days. It “runs
rampant” only when relatively simple public health measures are not taken. The
fatality rate for typhus is about 10% in most populations. It is easily controlled.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> The courts in Denmark have ruled that it is libel to call you a racist if
> you are just an opponent of the immigration and the multiethnic society. You
> must have advocated the superiority of your own race and the natural right
> to rule over the other races in order to make legal to label you a racist
> in public. (In English this is called [e.g. White] supremacy.)
You have done so, nazi-boy.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (tom moran), in response to Ms. Stryker once more
demonstrates his penchant for lying about Jews. She wrote:
> >Not all Israelis support their government’s policies.
> >Not all supporters of Israeli policies re: the Palestinians are Jews.
> >Not all Jews are Zionists.
> >(For further clarification, see http://www.ariga.com/ )
>
> >Mr. Moran, is that so difficult?
> I’ve seen this argument put forth before, when the facts are
> given blunt like.
You have no facts, l’il tommy. Just a hatred of Jews that colors all your
thinking.
> The fact is, the latest election in Israel shows that the
> majority chose the person who said he was going to break the
> “agreements” and U.N. Resolutions. They voted for it.
That is not a fact.
> The fact is that almost all if not all the commentary in the U.S.
> papers by Jews was favorable.
That is not a fact.
> The fact is that while the Jews in Israel continue with their
> unaesthetic policies, Jews in this country plug it as someplace
> wonderful and righteous.
Do you know what the word “unaesthetic” means?
> The fact is that no demonstrations outside of a few little,
> token, low turnout gatherings by “Peace Now”, have taken place in
> Israel in objection to Zionist policies.
That is not a fact.
> The facts are that one of the many absurd announcements out of
> the Jewish community is “Anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism”.
That is not a fact.
> Now if you want to point to some little obscure token website to
> show that all this is not the real meat of analysis, go ahead.
The fact is that you are an anti-Semite. In the past, to bolster your
venomous hatred you have described the KKKK as a “Jewsih group.” and the
activities of a group dominated by Catholic priests and which did not have a
single Jewsih member as being done by “the Jews.”
Moran is a liar. Moran is an anti-Semite. Moran is a coward.
I stand ready to prove the first two of those charges before any
impartial body. The fact that Moran has refused to even answer this acceptance
of his challenge is proof of the third charge.
Please note that there will be no honest repsonse by Moran.
–YFE
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> Jean-Francois Beaulieu <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
> The evidence I provided was based on miscellaneous jewish source which
> stated during WWll that the bulk of the soviet Jews were evacuated before
tthe
> germans came.
The report was written in 1942 (published in 1943). When the material
on which it was based was collected, the German army controlled that territory.
*Every* historian who studied the question after the war disagrees with it.
> This leaves less than 700,000 behind.
That is *your* number. It is not the number of any report.
> I’m not claiming that
> those reports are all forgeries: I’m saying that I have doubts.
So what? Who cares about your *doubts.* If you have a suspicion
come up with some evidence to support it. I *doubt,* for example, that Warren G.
Harding died of food poisoning. I *suspect* he was murdered to cover up
corruption in his presidency. Can you now take those as given facts?
> > Again JFB, having no answer stats that the Eissatzgruppen reports
> >were provided by the Soviets. They weren’t. The Bristish found them.
> Wrongo. I’ve check and it’s the americans.
They were found by the British according to the sources I have read.
They were turned over to the Americans who presented them at Nuremberg. cf.
“Eyewitnesses at Nuremberg” Gaskin 1990; interviews with Roger Barrett, officer
in charge of documents). I believe that the major store of documents found by the
Americans were the naval intelligence archives. The exact provenance can be
confusing since all documents were turned over to Barrett. As he states:
“One of the principal motivations which Justice Jackson had in
proceeding with the trial was to create a record, by dcoumentary evidence
that couldn’t be challenged, of what actually took place. First World War
atrocities were not believed, the few Germans who were convicted were
released within a year or two, and we were afraid that unless a record was
made which was tested by American-style and British-style cross-examination,
future genrations would not believe how horrible th truth really was. And of all the
documents that were produced at Nuremberg, hundreds of thousands, I don’t
remember one that challenged for authenticity.” (page 52)
Now what is your evidence? If you have none be honest enough to
say so.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> Further, just about every Jew that could be rated with a true
> scientific standing is of a German connection.
Gee l’il tommy you mean all those Russian Jews (example: Rosilyn Yalow)
who have won Nobel prizes in the sciences are faking it? How about Isaac
Asimov?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> If the machinations of Jewish innovative brillance were true, we
> should expect it to stand out here in the U.S., like Henry Ford, Tommy
> Edison, Bill Gates and the rest.
How many American Jews have won the Nobel Prize in the sciences,
l’il tommy?
–YFE
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> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:
>
> > > > Liar. Jews were placed into concentration camps, where they were
tortured,
> > > > experimented on, and murdered, specifically because they were Jewish.
> > >
> > > Not true. There were still Jews in Berlin in 1944. One of the reasons they
> > > could be sent to Auschwitz was for smoking a cigarette in public. Do your
> > > homework before you denounce me as a liar, arsehole.
> >
> > And when you do your research you will come to a simple conclusion:
> >
> > Al Baron is a liar.
> My sources for this are the Jewish Chronicle and Reitlinger.
Lyin’ Al and his sources again. Your statement was that it is “Not true.”
that “Jews were placed into concentration camps, where they were tortured,
experimented on, and murdered, specifically becasue thet were Jewish.” Please
give a reference to where either Reitlinger or the Jewish Chronicle stated that
Jews were not not placed in concentration camps, where they were tortured,
experimented on, and murdered specifically becasue they were Jewish.
Please don’t give me the usual Lyin’ Al bullshit to “check out” some
nutcase or other. Give me direct references to Reitlinger or the Jewish Chronicle
where such a statement was made.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (tom moran) lies as usual:
> A while back a Mr.Stein posted “The Trial of Tom Moran”. He
> bellowed he was going to show that Moran was “anti-Semitic”. The only
> thing that ensued was one of his cohorts jumped in to say that Moran
> should turn himself in to some court authority. No alt.revisionism
> trial ever took place. Mr. Stein never made an attempt.
No one ever made that suggestion. The challenge was to present the
evidence to an impartial tribunal. The result of that suggestion was that you
demonstrated the total lack of conviction you have about your statements. You
won’t even give it a direct answer.
> Mr.Stein’s previously mentioned ‘cohort’, Mr.Edeiken, claimed he
> had lost 160 relatives in the Holocaust and Moran challenged him.
> Mr.Edeiken said he was going to post the proof, “I will this weekend”.
> Nothing ever came of it.
Another lie from a convinced anti-Semite. The offer was withdrawn
after you commented what “fun” it would be.
> Moran always gives the boasterous claims a few weeks, even months
> to sit so there is no question they were just mouthing off with
> “chutzpa”.
The chuztpah is from l’il tommy. A Liar. An anti-Semite. A coward.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
> In <5053a9$[email protected]> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> ! > The “Times” is published in London. On May 8 and May 10 1993 were
two
> ! small
> ! > reports about the ADL’s involvement in the spy scam. This has been
> ! extensively
> ! > reported so please don’t tell me you haven’t heard of it.
> !
> ! That is not a statement from the ADL that 20% of Americans are
> ! anti-Semites.
> Liar. The prestigious Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith concluded
> that a total of about 20-25% of Americans believe that it is possible
> that the Holocaust may not be true. In your terms, that is
> anti-semitic. 40-45% of African Americans are anti-semitic.
I see. So it is of no importance what the ADL say. You may interpret
their words and their opinion s to give them a meaning they never had. The
ADL has never made the statement — that believing it is “possible” that the
Holocaust never happened demonstrates anti-Semitism. Thank you for pointing
out that Lyin’ Al was, indeed lying.
> ! You have been asked for a cite to something from the ADL. You
have
> ! failed utterly to do so.
>
> He doesn’t have to. It is you supporters of the Holocaust who like to
> use the ADL as reference, while at the same time, castigating opponents
> of the Holocaust as liars for using the same reference in a different
> context. Context is everthing to you conservatives.
Since he made a statement about the ADL, it most certainly is his
responsibility to at least point those to a place where it can be verified. Should
he agree that this is basis for his statement, he is, indeed, once more fabricating
his sources.
> The conclusion is that you supporters of the Holocaust who like to
> use a certain reference, while at the same time, castigating opponents
> of the Holocaust as liars for using the same reference in a different
> context. Context is everthing to you conservatives. Do you, for
> instance, consider the ADL to be a Neo-Nazi underground organization in
> other contexts but the present?
Since Lyin’ Al never used a reference to the ADL, despite repeated
requests to do so, your statement is divorcd from reality. I am reminded of what
Antonin Scalia wrote about Willis Carto: just because Benedict Arnold was a
traitor does not give you the right to call him a shoplifter. Either the ADL stated
that 20% of Americans are anti-Semites or they did not.
Care to try again?
–YFE
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> Jean-Francois Beaulieu <[email protected]> writes:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> Another lie by omission. Firts you claimed that in this New York Times
article
> >> (23 january 1995) where Lamberger spoke there was no claim that about
half
> >> a million holocaust survivors immigrated in Israel between 1945-50. Indeed,
it
> >> was just claim that there was about half a million holocaust survivors there
> >> in the early fifties, which is something completelly different obviously 🙂
> > At this point JFB you have descended into Giwerisms. You have claimed
> >that the number of survivors who immigrated to to Israel in the period from
1945-50
> >was about 500,000. You have now supported that allegation by referring to
> >”something completely different obvious.”
> It was ironical. Could you explain me now what is the main difference
> between stating that half a million holocaust survivors emigrated to Israel
> between 1945-1950 and claiming that there was about half a million Holocaust
> survivors in Israel in the early fifties? The last one was Lamberger’s claim,
> but you stated that ‘he never said that half a million emigrated to this coun-
> try during the 1945-1950 period.
Yes. There is a simple difference. You have counted refugees in
Europe in 1950 that eventually went to Isreal and added them to the total of
survivors. You counted them twice.
> No, you didn’t, you used Hilberg. You havn’t quote Reitlinger in this post.
> Why I didn’t quote Reitlinger directly? Because I hadn’t the book with me and
> it was quicker to use Sanning. Weird question.
An alternate explanation is that you have never read Reitlinger and,
therefore, did not know that other portions of his writing contradict your assertion
and that the snippet you quoted was not a general description as Sanning has
obviously misrepresented.
> >> Nowhere I remember to have see a statement like
> >> ‘When Hitler explain me what happened to the Jews’, or ‘I was in conflict
> >> with Himmler when he exposed to us the mass gassing of Jews’, nothing of
that
> >> kind.
> > But then you didn’t read the book under discussion.
> I’ve already state that I read the chapters which deals with the Jewish
> question 2 years ago.
There are no “chapters” that deal with the “Jewish question.” Nor
would reading isolated passages help you to understand the theme of the book.
> I’ve already say that I read about Speer testimony in
> Nuremberg in a book and it was say explicitelly by him that he claimed to
> be unaware about a mass liquidation of Jews.
> Reading few hundred pages in
> miscellaneous NMT volumes to learn what I already know (through a non-revi
> sionist author who read it) is worthless.
Yes. Why do some research to find out if what you half-remembered
>from what your read several years ago is an unnamed book accurate or not? Why
let facts interfer with your theories?
> Is it a tactic for pushing me to
> waste my time? I’ve just open 12 NMT books today and Speer’s testimony was
> in 3 of those ones. In a case he refer to Mathausen (it’s probably the question
> you rise up about his intervention to get bearable conditions for the inmates
> or to ‘stop’ the extermination of Jews). Mathausen isn’t described as an ex-
> termination center for Jews in the Holocaust version. It is suffisant for me
> to know that an author who studied carefully Speer’s testimony state that
> Speer denied knowledge about it, and the fact that Speer in an interview (in
> the book) stated it again.
Of course, as long as what you write conforms with your ideas why
should you let the facts get in your way?
> > The “big aspect” was what he was charged with: the use of slave labor.
> > That was the substance of his testimony. He was *not* charged with the
murder of
> >Jews. This line of argument is a bit like arguing that Al Capone could not have
> >ordered the St. Valentine’s Massacre because it was not mentioned at his trial
for
> >tax evasion.
>
> I’m not stupid, never I imagined that he was charged, as a minister of arming,
> of killing directly the Jews. But as I said, his own words where:
Nor of the conspiracy to do so.
> Because he claimed himself that he was unaware: see the book “l’immoprtalite
> du pouvoir’ above.
No. What he has said is that he deliberately ignored it. Please look at
the dates cited and reconsider what you are writing.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Danny Mittleman) wrote:
> > Most of the recent work merging document processing applications has
> > happened since Giwer was uncerimoniously retired from work due to his
> > alleged drinking problems. He may not have been sober long enough
> > since to keep up with recent software developments.
> Given that Visicalc and Lotus 123, circa 1982-1984, both
> included instructions for using their products as word
> processors, I’d say that the problem you note above existed
> long before the “retirement” of this rude chap.
I guess it’s his monumental ignorance that makes one of the best
bankruptcy lawyers I know David Dunn (610-439-1500) use a spreadsheet as a
word processor for his bankruptcy filings. He claims that his secretary can knock
out two or three basic Chapter 7 or Chapter 13 filings in an afternoon using his
spreadsheet format.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:
>
> >Mr. Moran — you are a sexual Pervect, you play dice with gangsters,
> >you cheat on your state income tax, and you fraternize with known
> >haberdashers. All this has been proven many times in this forum.
> >It’s all available on the web of course. Your failure to respond to
> >any of it is simply admission of your own guilt. How do you respond
> >to this?
> Thank you, Jamie McCarthy, co-Webmaster of Nizkor, the anti-hate
> “Holocaust Educational Resource” web page, for your public endorsement
> of record for Nizkor Webmaster Ken McVay’s public allegation that
> Moran’s sister is a hooker.
Thank you for endorsing the rest of McCarthy’s points.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, Mark Van Alstine
wrote:
> >Silly Nazi. Of _course_ I (or Mr. Edeiken) the the (Constituionallly
> >protected) right to call members of the America First movement Nazis. Of
> >course, it also helps, from a argumentative point, that they also
> >supported the Nazis and shared their ideological bed.
> But don’t you have laws against slander and libel in the USA? If somebody
> calls me a nazi in public and I sue him he will actually have to prove
> that I am nazi.
A piece of cake.
> A very important feature in nazism is dictatorship
> as well a social darwinism. Without being an adherent of this it will be
> libel to call somebody a nazi.
An American jury would laugh at this argument.
> There have also been several cases in DK
> where opponents of immigration have been called racists in public. A racist
> is defined as one who think that his race is superior to others and that
> one race has a natural right to rule over other races. Those anti-
> immigration people had never advocated such views, and they therefore won
> their cases.
You, on the other hand, have advocated those views.
> Remember that the term “racist” and in particular “nazi” are very
> negatively charged, and you should therefore be very carefull by labelling
> somebody with these terms in order to avoid to be taken to the court.
On the other hand, nazi boy, when the shoe fits . . . . .
–YFE
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> Keith Morrison <[email protected]> writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Anyone else out there you hate for no particular reason, Mr. Giwer?
> I believe he has referred to “spics” on at least one occassion.
And let us not forget his recent response to a remark that the Romany,
as well as the Jews were murdered by his nazi friends:
“Everybody hates the gypsies.”
–YFE
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> > How many American Jews have won the Nobel Prize in the sciences,
> >l’il tommy?
> I don’t know. But they all have European names, mostly German.
> Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
You, it should be noted, have a distinct European name.
> I have seen many times Jews citing the Nobel Prize, but I don’t
> ever recall seeing a direct German rave about the ones they have
> recieved – or anyone else. Its a Jewish trait to self rave. In the
> U.S. medias, it is the 2% doing the 100% raving.
Where have you looked? Or are you just making up another of you
anti-Semitic lies?
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> Must I always do your work for you? It is obvious that Himmler is
> referring here to the warfare with the Partisans. This explanation
> ]has been posted often enough.
Your explanation simply does not convince.
> Now, how about answering a
> question for us: who found these tapes, where did they find them,
> when did they find them, and under what circumstances? Inquiring
> minds want to know…..
What difference does that make? Are you stating that the tapes are
not a speech given by Himmler?
If so, there is a little proposition outstanding . . . . .
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 3 Sep 1996 02:46:27 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Can you explain why you claim membership in organizations which
> >regularly recognize their existence?
> What are you yammering about now?
Sure, Matty poo. You have bragged about your memberships in
organizations which recognize that there is a religion known as Wicca which
describes certain of their members as witches. They are regularly asked to give
presentations at their meetings and conventions.
Have you protested the fact that this regularly done?
–YFE
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> Brian Harmon <[email protected]> writes:
> Matt Giwer wrote:
> > In fact even if they were “gas chambers” then, given their genesis, it
> > would be highly surprising to find no cyanide traces. What is found,
> > in relationship to other samples is not out of the ordinary anymore
> > than finding traces of RAID or Max bug spray.
> Is there cyanide in Raid, Matt? Care to provide us with the active
> ingredients of that bug spray?
What you seem to forget is Matt’s delightful delusion that
continuously flooding a room where people are working with cyanide gas is an
accepted method for killing flies. I am not sure, but I believe he also reccommends
dynamite for getting rid of cockroachs.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Put up or shut up, Mr. Giwer: The Himmler tape
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On Mon, 02 Sep 1996 14:17:06 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> >(Matt Giwer) wrote:
> >> It is interesting to read that Nizkor/DOD has created a false claim as
> >> to this person being Himler.
>
> >1. There is no Nizkor/DOD
Old “Boy Am I One Hell of a Scientist” Giwer still refuses to give an
answer as to whether he will participate in a simple experiment.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> Who said the haftarah, read before this new version, was written
> in Hebrew?
Anybody who knows the first thing about Jewish religious writings.
You, of courcer, are not included in that number (I recall that you did not even
know what the Torah is).
In which language do you think it might have been written: Sanskrit?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Ursus Major) writes:
> As you well know, Andy, the IHR has no connection, indeed SEVERED
> all connections with Carto BECAUSE of Carto’s anti-Semitism.
Do you have some information to support this contention? I have
asked Greg Raven several times and he has demurred.
In fact, all the people who were involved in the take-over were
selected and hired by Carto and worked for him for years. His anti-Semitism and
the anti-Semitism he infused into the IHR was well-known. They did not wake
up one morning and discover he was an anti-Semite.
Now: upon what information do you base your contention?
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 31 Aug 1996 23:53:20 GMT, [email protected] (william c
> anderson) wrote:
> >Actually, Matt, the statement you responded to was that the person
> >in question believed in witches–not the devil. Nevertheless, I
> >wasn’t responding to that statement, or to your reply–I was pointing
> >out that deniers, like you, often engage in name calling.
> >Any questions?
> Yes.
> Are you enough of an idiot to believe in witches?
Are you telling us that there is no Wiccan religion?
Can you explain why you claim membership in organizations which
regularly recognize their existence?
–YFE
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> How ridiculous. If a Jew wants to have something published, it
> gets published.
[snip]
> Interesting conclusion, but no explanations to back it up.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
> Tom Moran, Matt Giwer and Duncan Coons don’t hate Jews one way or
> the other. I’m not a revisionist or a Jew hater, I like the
> Jewish religion, it’s just their race leaves something that needs to be
> controlled for their own good.
l’il tommy is a Jew hater from the word “go.” Face it, a guy whose is
so twisted by hatred that he will misidentify the actions of the KKKK as those of a
“Jewish group” even after his error has been pointed out cannot be otherwise
described.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> As to your above. You probably get the idea of “hate” from the
> posts. If the post is negative about Jewish activity it is “hate”.
> “Hate” is your conclusion, nothing more. What you should do is show
> the posts to be “hate” as they take place.
This has been regularly done with your posts.
> Can a true statement be hateful? Can inference from a true
> statement be hateful? Can a conclusion from a true statement be
> hateful?
Which of your “true statements” are you talking about. Most of your
comments about Jews are outrageous lies. Example: your description of the
plaintiffs in the case Pinette v. Capital Square as a “Jewish group.” It was the
KKKK. Another example: your description of the International teram analysing the
Dead Sea Scrolls as “the Jews.” They were in fact a group from which Jews had
been sytematically excluded and which was dominated by Catholic priests.
Are those the kind of “true statements” you are referring to.
>
> You want to read lots of hate. Read the N.Y. and L.A. Times and
> watch what the Jews say about others. The whole thing is ‘Our enemies
> are your enemies’, bomb ’em, shoot ’em, maim ’em, jail ’em, censor
> ’em.
Please note that l’il tommy does not cite a single example. How typical
of this Jew-hating mamzer.
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Then look up his report and read it.
> > The incubation period for typhus is approximately 14 days. It “runs
> > rampant” only when relatively simple public health measures are not taken.
The
> > fatality rate for typhus is about 10% in most populations. It is easily
controlled.
> I don’t need to look up his report. You are the one making accusations that
> there were autopsies done on people who had allegedly been gassed.
No. Dr. Larson is making that statement. He did so in a complete
report. If you do not believe look it up. If you are too lazy or too stupid that is your
problem.
> As to your final point about typhus: At Bergen Belsen, 13,000 deaths occurred
> in a 6 week period following liberation. At Dachau they died at a rate of 200
per
> day for the first week. Between April 30 and June 16, 1945, 2,466 deaths were
> recorded, with diminishing numbers thereafter. Deaths were due to typhus,
tuber-
> culosis, malnutrition, dysentery and other causes. So much for your nonsense.
Sorry that medical science is beyond your limited ken. I note, first, that
you lump typhus in with other diseases. The fact is that there were few deaths
>from typhus after the first month. This would be the normal course of the disease
for people who had contracted it while the nazis ran the camp. The same can be
said for tuberculosis and malnutrition. Both of which take a considerable amount
of time to reach the fatal stage. Modern medicine working with famines in Europe
have found that it takes approximately 30 days to stabilize a person who has been
victims of famine and a minimum of 90 days of care before health is recovered.
The statistics you present are consistent with this.
Second, it should be noted that with minimal public health methods the
typhus epidemic — which for some reason the nazis could never control — was
eradicated within 30-60 days. This is consistent with the 1921 typhus epidemic in
New York — the last public typhus outbreak in the United States.
–YFE
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> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:
> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken”
writes:
>
>
> > The slight factual content of
> > his
> > post show only that Lyin’ Al was aware:
> > 1. That the Federal Reserve System is not a single entity
> > but is composed of 12 banks and a board of governors.
> Conspiracy theorists such as Gary Allen claim that the New York bank is the
> real power and that the others are white elephants. Allen’s book – right or
> wrong – was endorsed by at least one leading American Jewish conservative.
I do not care what a nutcase like Allen thinks about one of the twelve
banks; I would like the proof you promised that the Fed was owned by eight
banks with Jewish names.
By the way: do you know what a “white elephant” is? I doubt that
even a nutball like like Allen described *any* federal reserve bank as one.
> > 2. That those banks are owned by the “national” banks in the region
> > in which they operate and the board of governors is appointed by the
president.
No answer from Lyin’ Al.
> > 3. That the charge that the Federal Reserve is owned by eight banks
> > is a “fantasy.”
No answer from Lyin’ Al.
> > It should be noted that the post which began those thread was wrong
> > and that Lyin’ Al agreed with the main facts of that post. He disagreed only
> > with
> > the statement that Jews owned those banks.
> > The “Phamphlet” that Lyin’ Al is selling is pathetic even by his low
> > standards.
> On the contrary it contains a detailed rebuttal of many anti-Semitic fallacies
> and was reviewed favourably by LOBSTER, the parapolitics magazine.
I have never read LOBSTER. If they favorably reviewed your
compilation of letters from the lunatic fringe, I doubt I would ever wish to. You still
have not presented a single word to indicate that the Fed is owned by however
many banks with Jewish names.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
> The USA immigration law is explicit on the subject. Refugees have
> preference over others in the law.
The immigration laws certainly are specific. Perhaps you should read
them. Refugees are *not* admitted under the normal immigartion law; they are
admitted under a special law dealing with refugees.
> Eighty percent is the quota
> allocated to Jewish refugees from the Soviet Union.
There is *no* quota under the refugee act. Refugees are, however,
deducted from the national allocation.
> Of the refugees
> from the former USSR, in other words, eighty percent must be Jewish.
You seem to be confusing “immigration” with “refugee.” They are two
different concepts in immigration law. There is *no* requirement concerning how
many refugees are admitted.
> And of the total number of immigrants from the former Soviet Union,
> eighty percent happened to be Jewish. I’ve seen this in the news.
> You probably have too. I’ve only seen in reported in highly positive
> presentations by the news. So have you. You believe news items
> shouldn’t be taken out of the original contextual bias of the
> original items.
You might well be correct about the percentage of refugees from the
former Soviet Union who wre Jews. I am not sure that the statistics are as high
since the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Please note, however, that it would have
been relatively easy to establish a case of religious persecution — one of the key
qualifications for refugee status. In fact, it is the best one available to an average
citizen.
By the way, please share yur research with Giwer and JFB who have
both claimed that no statistics for religion are kept for those granted refugee status.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: All mouth – No substance
Date: 4 Sep 1996 23:37:22 GMT
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 3 Sep 1996 01:18:02 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (tom moran) lies as usual:
> >> A while back a Mr.Stein posted “The Trial of Tom Moran”. He
> >> bellowed he was going to show that Moran was “anti-Semitic”. The only
> >> thing that ensued was one of his cohorts jumped in to say that Moran
> >> should turn himself in to some court authority. No alt.revisionism
> >> trial ever took place. Mr. Stein never made an attempt.
>
> > No one ever made that suggestion. The challenge was to present the
> >evidence to an impartial tribunal. The result of that suggestion was that you
> >demonstrated the total lack of conviction you have about your statements.
You
> >won’t even give it a direct answer.
>
> About as impartial as the war crimes tribunals where even the judges
> threatened witnesses when they do not give the correct testimony.
Which, of course, never happened at Nuremberg except in your
imagination. Care to giver a citation to the transcript where it happaened?
Face it, Matty poo you’ve been caught lying again.
> But
> of course our gosh awful for real attorney holds that is normal trial
> procedure and completely supports it.
You are a liar. I have never said anything of the kind nor could I have.
It never happened.
But don’t worry Matty poo just because you were caught lying again.
Just make your usual obnoxious name-calling and get on with your drinking.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: ~650,000 Polish Jews in ~1870 to ~3,250,000 in 1942?
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> [email protected] (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
> ! > ! The Polish census’ of about 1870-80 counted 600-700,000 residents
under
> ! > ! the Jewish religion. How did it grow to 3-3.5,000,000 in 1942, breeding
> ! > ! and/or immigration? That would be very fast breeding, wouldn’t it?
Were
> ! > ! the majority of the Jews in Poland of 1942 relatively recent immigrants
> ! > ! from elsewhere?
> ! A rather interesting assertion. Have you ever looked at a map of
> ! Europe in 1870? If you ahve one that shows Poland as a country with the
same
> ! borders it had in 1942 (or 1939) pleace post it at once. So would most
historians.
> ! I would al;so be interested in learning about the Polish government who took
such
> ! a census. So would most historians.
> !
> ! > Jews couldn’t have increased that much. The ~3,250,000 figure is a
fake.
> !
> ! So is your knowledge of Polish history.
> Fuckhead. I was aware of your positions on what you brought up this
> post. I don’t know how relevent the reported ~650,000 figure is by
> two Polish censuses. That’s why I asked. And you lie if you claim
> to be more diligent in your searches than I.
The relevance is simple. Apparently your “research” did not include a
simple check of the maps of Poland in 1870 and 1939. Had you done the
answer to your question would have been obvious. If you perform this rather
simple exercise and still do not understand — ask again.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer’s Ignorance Shows Again
Date: 5 Sep 1996 00:50:49 GMT
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 3 Sep 1996 01:49:01 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Then look up his report and read it.
> It has been posted here. It is no such thing. It is testimony that
> would only be acceptable at an inquisition, as any attorney knows.
It is acceptable as evidence in any federal court in the United States.
and most states. Federal Rule or Evidence 703 states:
“The facts or data in the particular case upon which an expert bases
his opinion or inference may be those perceived by him or made known to the
expert at or before the hearing. If of a type reasonably relied upon by experts in
the particular field in forming opinions or inferences upon the the subject, the
facts or data need not be admissible into evidence.”
> > The incubation period for typhus is approximately 14 days. It “runs
> >rampant” only when relatively simple public health measures are not taken.
The
> >fatality rate for typhus is about 10% in most populations. It is easily
controlled.
> Ah, yes, controlled with food, water, and medicine which were not
> available moving the death rate from 10% under ideal conditions to
> what?
The prime public health measure is not food. It is not water.
It is not medicine. It is *isolation.* If you separate those with typhus or even
those suspected of having typhus from the healthy population typhus is
controlled. The death rates are hard to predict because typhus was controlled
world-wide before WWII. The 10% is not under “ideal” conditions. In the
western Soviet Union in 1918-21 where there was a complete breakdown of
medical care and nutrition. Zinnser estimates 30,000,000 cases of typhus there
and about 3,000,000 deaths. Do the math yourself if you can. I have seen
one source that states there is a possibility — under extreme conditions — of a
40% death rate with many of the deaths attributable to secondary disease.
You really should open a book or two before you open your mouth.
> You continue to makes your lies for the holocaust public no matter
how
> many times they are exposed.
When was the last time you exposed one. Or do you still believe that
head lice are the vectors for typhus? Or are you referring to your statement that
Washington’s encampment at Valley Forge did not occur during the American
Revolution?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer Thinks that U.S. Courts are part of the Inquisition
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 2 Sep 1996 12:04:08 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >Without getting too deeply in this, I would like to read any of Larson’s
autopsies
> >for people allegedly found gassed at Dachau.
> They existed back during the trials “by reference” but were never
> produced and can not be found. He was also permitted to testify to
> matters upon which he had no personal knowledge when it came to
> describing the gas chambers that existed for the trials but ceased to
> exist later.
Where have you looked?
Larson’s complete report was used at trial. It is generally available from
several public sources as it was later made a part of the Congressional Record.
He described that which he saw. It included operating gas chambers and
victims of those gas cahmbers.
> In other words it was a typical war crimes trial that used the legal
> tradition of the Inquisition — but then I denigrate the inquisition.
Odd. I thought the Federal Rules of Evidence (Rule 703 is posted
elsewhere) were written for U.S. courts.
You have a very odd view as to how trials are conducted.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Extract from the interrogation of Higher SS and Police Leader Friedrich Jeckeln
(December 14, 1945):
Q: What countries were the Jews in Salaspils brought from?
A: Jews were brought from Germany, France, Belgium, Holland,
Czechoslovakia, and from other occupied countries to the Salaspils camp. To
give a precise count of the Jews in the Salaspils camp would be difficult. In any
case, all the Jews from this camp were exterminated. But I would like to make
an additional statement while we are on this topic.
Q: What statement would you like to make?
A: I would like to state for the record that Goering shares in the guilt for
the liquidation of the Jewish convoys that arrived from other countries. In the
first half of February 1942 I received a letter from Heyrich. In this letter he wrote
that Reich Marshall Goering had gotten himself involved in teh Jewish question,
and that Jews were now being shipped to the East for annihilation only with
Goering’s approval.
–quoted in Fleming “Hitler and the Final Solution” pp. 96-7
From [email protected] Thu Sep 5 07:28:37 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> I regret that I can not lie to support a Mossad murderer. Now if cash
> were to come my way … you have my address
How about a bottle of Boone’s Farm?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: All mouth – No substance
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> I’d be interested in knowing myself, Mr., Dr. Mittleman.
Now that you are asking about other’s degrees, how about your own?
Please tell us what high school claims you as a drop-out?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> Anyone who identifies with anything that is without rational
> foundation is an idiot. That includes Christians, Moslems and Jews.
It also includes, apparently Matty poo.
The person around here who identifies with something without any
rational basis is our resident six-year-old, Matty poo. Matty poo has stated
without any rational basis that the tape of Himmler making a speech at Posen is
a forgery.
When Matty poo was offered the opportunity for a rational test of his
statements, he refused.
I do not generally comment on the religions of others, but one concept
is clear. There is no religion so irrational that it is not superior to that in which
Matty poo believes.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> > Sure, Matty poo. You have bragged about your memberships in
> >organizations
> You are a liar. I have only mentioned in my years being a member of
> the NRA and the Libertarian Party.
And the World Science Fiction Convention.
> What would really be interesting would be to find you are really an
> attorney and to transmit your posts to the Penn Bar. It would then be
> up to them.
Easy enough to check. Matty poo. There is a book called
Martindale-Hubbell available at any library.
Should you wish the number of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania
(attorney registration office I would be gald to supply it). Please, Matty poo,
please, please, please make a complaint to them. I will even promise to post the
testimony you give at the deposition.
–YFE #40290
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On Tue, 3 Sep 1996 06:27:26 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
> wrote:
> >This is a lie; a common type of lie from Nazis who deny the
> >Holocaust – they lie and misquote witnesses, in order to make
> >them appear unreliable; since there was no such mass gassing
> >in Belsen, Giwer is trying to make it appear as if a witness
> >said there was such gassing, in order to “prove” that this
> >witness was lying.
> Of course the witness was lying. He was testifying at a war crimes
> trial was he not? The defense was not permitted to challenge
> witnesses in those trials. Judges threatened witnesses with
> imprisonment if they did not admit to gassing in those trials.
Bullshit, Matty poo. You’ve been caught again and, as usual you are
making it up.
> So what is your point? By now everyone knows what those “trials”
were
> like and that they are the only basis for the holocaust legends.
Sure. they were trials like any other trial. The defendants were given
the right to cross-examine all witnesses and to present testimony and other
evidence to prove their case.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer Thinks that U.S. Courts are part of the Inquisition
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> Right here. It was posted. We have been over this. Look it up.
The complete report was not posted here. I posted only the
conclusions. The acutal report runs about 100 pages.
> > Larson’s complete report was used at trial. It is generally available from
> >several public sources as it was later made a part of the Congressional
Record.
> >He described that which he saw. It included operating gas chambers and
> >victims of those gas cahmbers.
> Let us examine the prima facia value of your claim.
> You claim that he described an operating gas chamber. You therefore
> claim that the US Army was permitting a gas chamber to continue
> operating for him to observe.
No such claim was made. The gas chamber was in place; he
examined it. Cadavers were present. He made observations about them and
rendered a medical opinion as to the casue of death. What is so hard to
understand. Please try to stay sober when you are reading.
> > You have a very odd view as to how trials are conducted.
> But I do know how they were conducted. And I also know that
someone
> like you who claims to be an attorney supports courts like this.
You have no knowledge as to how they were conducted. You have
proven this time and again with your lies. For example, your statements that
convicitions were obtained and men executed for the Katyn Forest Massacre
and your statement that Hoess was acquitted.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: All mouth – No substance
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> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:
> In article <[email protected]>
> [email protected] “tom moran” writes:
>
> > Mr.Edeiken, claimed he
> > had lost 160 relatives in the Holocaust and Moran challenged him.
> > Mr.Edeiken said he was going to post the proof, “I will this weekend”.
> > Nothing ever came of it.
> To lose one relative is unfortunate. To lose 160 is careless.
> Actually, this is one of the biggest Exterminationist tricks. They make outrageous
> claims, lies, say they will back them up, then don’t. For the obvious reason.
> Does anyone remember the thread about the photograph of the gas chamber
that
> was supposed to exist in action? This is mentioned by Reitlinger. Then there are
> the documents which are supposed to refer to extermination. They are all
> quietly forgotten now.
The claim is neither false nor outrageous, you anti-Semitic chuck of
human excrement. Moran lied and you, like the gullbile asshole you are bought it
hook, line, and sinker. What Moranleft out was that the offer was withdrawn after
Moran announced what “fun” it would be to examine the list.
The point is a simple one. That many members of my extended family (I
included those related by marriage) were murdered.
Can they be named?
A piece of cake. But pay for the privilege, Lyin’ Al. Propose a wager on
it. $100.00 a name would be about right. Care to put your money up?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:
> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken”
writes:
> > By the way: do you know what a “white elephant” is? I doubt that
> > even a nutball like like Allen described *any* federal reserve bank as one.
> Allen was not a nut and he did.
Then he is, prima facie, a nutball. Do either you or he know what a
“white elephant” is?
> > > > 2. That those banks are owned by the “national” banks in the
> > region
> > > > in which they operate and the board of governors is appointed by the
> > president.
> > No answer from Lyin’ Al.
> And the American people own the debt they owe to themselves?
Still no answer from Lyin’ Al.
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> > Odd. I thought the Federal Rules of Evidence (Rule 703 is posted
> > elsewhere) were written for U.S. courts.
> > You have a very odd view as to how trials are conducted.
> “Describing” that which he “saw” is not evidence of cyanide poisoning.
Where are
> the autopsy reports and list of tests done to confirm the cause of death as
cyanide?
“‘Describing’ that which he ‘saw'” is exactly what an autopsy report is.
Have you ever seen one? When a qualified expert gives an opinion based on
his own observation, it is evidence. Larson’s report was based upon numerous
autopsies and inspections of cadavers which he performed. Cyanide poisoning
is fairly easily determined by an expert.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jews Run Everything
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> [email protected] (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
> The Federal Reserve System is composed of one bank with twelve
> branches run by a board of directors.
12 USCA section 221 states differently.
> ! 2. That those banks are owned by the “national” banks in the region
> ! in which they operate and the board of governors is appointed by the president.
> The twelve branches are owned by the one central Federal Reserve
> System, a bank run by a board of directors appointed by the president
> of the USA.
The 12 regional banks are, by law, owned by the national banks in that
region.
> ! 3. That the charge that the Federal Reserve is owned by eight banks
> ! is a “fantasy.”
> The eight Jewish run banks are the Federal Monetary system, a
> system that has been in place since the predecession of World
> War I.
Funny most of thought the Fed, for better or for worse, ran out monetary
system.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 5 Sep 1996 00:02:53 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > And the World Science Fiction Convention.
> There is no such organization. But you know that.
Funny, I’ve been to about 20 of those non-existent gatherings.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 3 Sep 1996 13:39:30 GMT, [email protected] (william c
> anderson) wrote:
> >I’m not sure how that can be considered a contradiction, Matt. Everybody
> >who has studied the tape agrees that it’s Himmler. You deny it, for
> >reasons you haven’t made clear. You’ve been presented with a simple
> >challenge: the tape can be subjected to voice analysis, and if it’s
> >Himmler, you pay for the analysis. So far, you show every sign of
> >chickening out.
> >But that’s not suprising.
> You holos are still lying out of both sides of your huggers. I am not
> impressed wtih this crap. You holos have no idea what you are
> supporting. You post contrary to each other and you lie in support of
> each other.
Easy enough for you to prove it, Matty poo. You can even make Nizkor pay
for proving you are right and they are lying.
But you won’t.
I don’t blame you. No liar like you wants to be publically exposed.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
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> [email protected] writes:
> > Second, it should be noted that with minimal public health methods the
> > typhus epidemic — which for some reason the nazis could never control —
was
> > eradicated within 30-60 days. This is consistent with the 1921 typhus
epidemic in
> > New York — the last public typhus outbreak in the United States.
> Seeing that you think you are so clever, Dr. Kildare, why don’t you explain for
us how the
> U.S. dealt with the outbreak of hunger-typhus in Berlin in 1945-1946? Don’t
> compare the resources of the United States in combatting Typhus with the
> resources of the Germans in 1945, when practically the whole country was
> in ruins.
First, I am using an outbreak in 1921, when the etiology of typhus was
not well-known. The typhus outbreak in Berlin was easliy contained within a few
weeks. Considering the incubation period of 10-14 days this was a fairly good job.
Second, typhus was rampant in the KZ as early as 1942 — a time when the whole
country was not in ruins.
The fact that the deniers chose typhus as their explanation whenever
confronted with the horrors that were the nazi KZs is one of the mysteries of life.
Although the disease has been virtually non-existent in the western world since
WWI most people in public health are very familiar with the disease for the simple
reason that over 90% have read “Rats, Lice, and History.” One of my public
heath textbooks (“Introduction to the Study of Disease” Boyd & Sheldon, 7th
edition) actually apologizes for the inclusion of a page of material on typhus and
explains it as being due to a fascination with Zinnser’s book. As far as problems
dealing with are concerned — practically it’s a yawner. The only ones who
seemingly couldn’t control it were the nazis. And, then, only in the KZs.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: {Anti-}{Dr. Fuckhead|Rich Graves} And The Forgery Attacks
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> [email protected] (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
> In <50l2i5$[email protected]> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> ! > [email protected] (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
> ! > The USA immigration law is explicit on the subject. Refugees have
> ! > preference over others in the law.
> ! The immigration laws certainly are specific. Perhaps you should read
> ! them. Refugees are *not* admitted under the normal immigartion law; they are
> ! admitted under a special law dealing with refugees.
> I don’t care for the obscurantist interpretations of immigration
> laws.
Sure. Why let facts get in the way of your theories.
> The mere breakup of the Soviet Union and the INS has not changed
> their interpretation of this law!
For someone not concerned how the INS views the laws they enforce,
you seem to pretend to have some knowledge of it. You are wrong. The INS no
longer considers a Jewish immigrant from Russia as eligible for refugee status. I
believe that the status might still be used for *some* of the new “republics.”
> Then why has the USA decided that worshippers of the Russian Orthodox
> Church are not victims of religious persecution?
When the Soviet union was intact Seventh Day Adventists and the
practicing members of other Christian groups were considered refugees. They, like
the Jews, are no longer considered to qualify as refugees.
If you have any other questions you wish cleared up, I will give you the
name of a good immigration attorney. He was regional counsel for the INS until two
years ago. He has very patiently answered my questions.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > The claim is neither false nor outrageous, you anti-Semitic chuck of
> >human excrement. Moran lied and you, like the gullbile asshole you are
bought it
> >hook, line, and sinker. What Moranleft out was that the offer was
withdrawn after
> >Moran announced what “fun” it would be to examine the list.
> >
> > The point is a simple one. That many members of my extended family
(I
> >included those related by marriage) were murdered.
> >
> > Can they be named?
> >
> > A piece of cake. But pay for the privilege, Lyin’ Al. Propose a wager
on
> >it. $100.00 a name would be about right. Care to put your money up?
> He’s trying to bluff, with the 100 dollars trick. He has nothing.
> He’s a liar. A little boy. He’s thoroughly corrupt.
Then why don’t you call it, l’iol tommy.
> Tell him to go by the rules for submitting evidence according to
> U.S. criteria. He says he’s a lawyer, so we should expect he know
> whats up.
I certainly do. Arbitration, anyone?
> Mr.Edeiken’s claim to have lost 160 relatives in the Holocaust
> exemplifies the general trend of Holocaust evidence. Lies.
But please note that, as usual l’il tommy does not put his money
where is mouth is.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:
> > > ! You have been asked for a cite to something from the ADL. You
> > have
> > > ! failed utterly to do so.
> I gave you plenty of citations, check out Crying Wolf to start with.
This is not a statement from the ADL claiming that 205 of Americans
are anti-Semites.
> These
> scumbags have been successfully sued for libel on more than one occasion.
None of those suits — which you do not name — was for a statement by
the ADL that 20% of Americans are anti-Semites.
The
> fact that you appear to support them both unquestioningly and uncritically
> gives further ammunition to organised anti-Semites. But that’s really not
> surprising knowing you.
The fact remains that you lied about them.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> If those co-conspirators would identify themselves rather than begging
> off from any claim of active participation then they can be named in
> the lawsuit against Nizkor.
> They vanish the instant the lawsuit is mentioned.
Sure Matty poo. But that was only because they were rolling around
on the floor laughing. As soon as they recovered the popped up again. . . . . and
asked to be included in the party.
The more the merrier . . . . . especially when attorney’s fees are
awarded.
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> > “‘Describing’ that which he ‘saw'” is exactly what an autopsy report is.
> > Have you ever seen one? When a qualified expert gives an opinion based
on
> > his own observation, it is evidence. Larson’s report was based upon
numerous
> > autopsies and inspections of cadavers which he performed. Cyanide
poisoning
> > is fairly easily determined by an expert.
> Yes, I have seen autopsy reports. And now, I’d like to see Larson’s.
Then look it up.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer Thinks that U.S. Courts are part of the Inquisition
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> If and ONLY IF it is of the body being autopseied and there are no
> such reports.
Are you now denying that Dr. Larson conducted autopsies?
> >When a qualified expert gives an opinion based on
> >his own observation, it is evidence.
>
> Which of course he presents within the report. First in forensic
> terms on the cover sheet and then in medical terms in the body of the
> report.
You must therefore read the report. Yu are the one challenging its
conclusions. Go to work, Matty poo.
> >Larson’s report was based upon numerous
> >autopsies and inspections of cadavers which he performed. Cyanide
poisoning
> >is fairly easily determined by an expert
> It is good to see you admit that there are no autopsey reports. None
> were prepared or presented. None exist.
I admit nothing of the kind. His report was presented and is part of
the record.
> It is also good to see that an attorney such as yourself would be
> suprised to see one in a criminal case.
Why would I be surprised. Larson did a job of a forensic pathologist.
He was not dealing with a single case but several hundred. If his report was
deficient then demonstrate that. The conclusions have been posted here. If
you do not like them — disprove them.
That’s your job not mine.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 5 Sep 1996 06:34 MST, [email protected] (Danny
> Mittleman) wrote:
> > What? You are making a threat to report him for offering a legal
> > opinion that you deem to be wrong?
> Most state bars have rather serious prohibitions against offering
> legal opinions in absense of a full and complete knowledge of the
> circumstances of the person (persons) in this case that it is being
> offered to.
Since I did not offer a legal opinion on copyright, your statement is silly.
> So far as I can see, he has already given opinions that have
> encouraged people to admit to conspiracy to libel with McVay in the
> event libel can be shown by McVay. Were it not for thier posts
> wanting to be included in the lawsuit then they would likely never
> have been named and even if named then conspiracy would have to have
> ben separately proved but no longer.
This is gibberish. That is a legal opinion.
> So should anyone be caught in this they can recover their losses from
> his because of his public legal opinions.
Caught in what a “conspiracy to libel?” Please name a single court that
recognizes that criminal charge.
> And that is why bar associations do not take kindly to such opinions.
Please complain about what I have written here. You have threatened
several times and I ahve asked you to several times. You are simply lying and do
not have the guts to follow through. You know very well what would happen
when you do so.
–YFE
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> Jean-Francois Beaulieu <[email protected]> writes:
> I said _several times_ that I read Speer in his own words 2 years ago.
> I’ve a lot of stuff to read. Perhaps I’ll read again his book but I don’t
> see why I would see anything more than the first time.
Actaully you have claimed that you did *not* read Speer’s book
“Infiltration” but only certain portions of it.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote:
> : He was not in the camp described. Therefore they lied. What is so
> : hard about that?
> You have proof they lied, Matt? The last I heard, the Israeli
> Supreme Court did not rule that Demjanjuk was not Ivan–they
> ruled that there was a reasonable doubt.
> Do you understand the difference, Matt?
Do you really think that somebody who announces that “testimony is
not evidence” could understand the difference.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> DR SEIDL: When the witness was heard here I had no opportunity to
> cross-examine him, and for that reason ….
> PRESIDENT: Why did you have no opportunity to cross examine him?
> DR SEIDL: Because I did not know beforehand that he would be called by
> the
> Prosecution as a witness and had no opportunity to speak to the
> Defendant
> Frank about the questions which might have been put to the witness.
> DR SEIDL: May I perhaps add something to this point? The difficulty
> of cross
> examination is just this, that we do not learn of the intended calling
> of a
> witness by the Prosecution until the witness is led into the
> courtroom, and
> we do not know the subject of the evidence until the Prosecution start
> to
> examine the witness.
>
> <end quote>
> Source: IMT, VIII, p. 521
In most courts the judge gives a ruling. Why is no ruling given here?
The answer is obvious.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Sep 6 11:28:08 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: SHOW YOUR SUPPORT – sign on here
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> It is great to read so many people support criminal copyright
> violation and conspiract to same.
Violations of the copyright law are not criminal violations.
> Even Edeiken knows that the legislative history of “educational
> purposes” does not support Nizkor but he publically posts a legal
> opinion that such copyright violation is within the law.
This is an outright lie.
I have never posted a legal opinion on copyright law. I have never
given one privately. There is a simple reason for this. The Copyright Law was
radically amended in 1988 to conform with the Berne Convention and I had not
even read it until this morning.
What I found is that you were lying. First, the “legistlative history” is not
quite relevant. The Historical Notes (taken From Notes of Committee on the
Judiciary, House report 94-1476 — the relevant legislative history) printed with the
statute to explain it state:
“Section 107 is intended to restate the present judicial doctrine of fair use, not to
change, narrow, or enlarge it in any way.”
Thus the judicial interpretation of “fair use” which was *never* restricted
to classroom use is very relevant as legislative history.
It should be noted that the Report also states ” . . . the endless variety of
situations and combinations of circumstances that can rise in particular cases
precludes the formulation of exact rules in the statute. The bill endorses the
purpose and general scope of the judicial doctrine of fair use, but there is no
disposition to freeze the doctrine in the statute, especially during a period of rapid
technological change. Beyond a very broad statutory explanation of what is fair
use is and some of the criteria applicable to it, the courts must be free to adapt the
doctrine to particular situations on a case-by-case basis.”
The report later states: “Although the works and uses to which the
doctrine of fair use is applicable are as broad as the copyright law itself, most of the
discussion of section 107 has centered around questions of classroom
reproduction, particularly photocopying”
It defines the scope of the section as being: “the comittee has not only
adopted further amendments to section 107 but has also amended section 504 (c)
to provide innocent teachers and other non-profit users of copyrighted material with
broad insulation against unwarranted liability for infringement.”
Perhaps it is me, but the normal English interpretation of the phrase
“innocent teachers and other non-profit users” would indicate that the legislative
history is *not* limited to classroom situations.
I notice that you announce what the “legislative history” is but do not
quote it so that others may see what you are talking about. In this case, of course,
the “legislative history” would include the judicial precedents which it specifically
embodies. A quick check of the annotations revealed no holding that fair use is
limited, as you state, to classrooms. Several of the cases applied in to
non-classroom situations.
I would ask for some citations of the cases that support your
interpretation, but that is a fruitless exercise. It is apparent that you do not know
what you are talking about.
> It is just one more thing to report the the Penn SC.
Please do. Please tell them that I am an evil person because I quoted
the legislative history that directly contradicts you ipse dixit statement. Your
deposition on that point should be very humorous.
I can’t wait.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Sep 6 18:43:19 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer Thinks that U.S. Courts are part of the Inquisition
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> You claim that he described an operating gas chamber. You therefore
> claim that the US Army was permitting a gas chamber to continue
> operating for him to observe.
> Are you really that stupid?
Apparently you are. Dr. Larson never claimed to have seen it operation
nor have I. It was there. It was in working condition. He saw it.
> But I do know how they were conducted. And I also know that
someone
> like you who claims to be an attorney supports courts like this.
Of course I do.
> And if defense witnesses should get carried away and presume to
> claim that they know nothing of gas chambers, and perhaps even
> dare to dispute their existence, then the least that will happen
> to them is that they are declared unreliable. Even the Judge
> himself may become abusive.260 But how the Judges change their
> tune in those exceptional cases where a former SS-man
> ‘confesses’:
Please cite the portion of the record where a judge, acting as a judge
(and not as a finder of fact), made this statement.
> “A valuable witness, one of the few who confirm at least some
> of what everyone knows anyhow.”261
Please cite the portion of the record where a judge, acting as a judge
(and not as a finder of fact), made this statement.
> Indeed, the author has hit the nail on the head! Since
> everything is “judicially noticed” and considered self-evident
> anyhow, it would be much easier to dispense with all the
> laborious proceedings and simply hand down the verdict as soon
> as the witnesses for the prosecution have had their say.
Please cite the portion of the record where a judge, acting as a judge
(and not as a finder of fact), made this statement.
> The courts frequently conclude from these circumstances that
> witnesses for the defense cannot contribute anything of value to
> an investigation anyhow, and thus disregard their testimony or
> even dispense with summoning them in the first place.262
Please cite the portion of the record where a judge, acting as a judge
(and not as a finder of fact) made this statement.
> The point is that you support the idea that the court can take
> judicial note of the guilt of the defendents pleading not guilty and
> conduct the proceedings accordingly.
Please cite a portion of the record where a judge, acting as a judge
(and not as a finder of fact) made the statement.
> But then, you are an attorney. You believe this to be a fair trial.
No, I do not believe your fantasies. I just don’t have the qualifications.
I don’t drink to excess.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Sep 6 21:32:47 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Why does George Lehmann keep making a fool out of himself?
Inquiring minds, and all that…
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> [email protected] (Ursus Major) writes:
Does “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” count. My copy
has the imprint of the Noontide Press.
> It would be something for you to come up with ONE PIECE OF ANTI-
> SEMITIC MATERIAL PUBLISHED BY IHR. You’ve danced around the
> issues, you pointed hither and yon–but you’ve produced NOTHING!
Does the “Protocols” count? My copy bears the imprint of the
Noontide Press, the publishing arm of the IHR. I bought it at the Liberty Lobby
office in New York.
> You’ve merely given us allegations from Nizkor and your personal
> opinion that said Greg Raven is lying–but you can’t even come up with
> anti-Semitic material from Greg Raven, let alone IHR. Indeed, you
> cannot produce one shred of hard evidence of any sort from any of the
> people, institutions, organizations YOU libel as “anti-Semitic”!
> All you can do is brand someone an “idiot” who might put credence in a
> statement that racist or hate-engendering material is not welcome on a
> website. If you ran the website, you’d have some grounds!
Please note that several courts have concluded that the IHR was a an
anti-Semitic organization as part of the Carto group of interlocking organizations.
The most famous statement of this was by Robert Bork.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sat Sep 7 09:23:00 PDT 1996
Article: 63049 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: SHOW YOUR SUPPORT – sign on here
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 6 Sep 1996 04:15:31 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Violations of the copyright law are not criminal violations.
> People who have followed your advice so far have admitted to
> conspiracy should the violation be found.
Violation of WHAT, Matty poo.
Please show me the statute that makes copyright violation a crime?
Please show the criminal penalties prescribed by the law for copyright
violation? Is it a summary offense? A misdemeanor? A felony?
Take your time. Look in a book, Matty poo, not a bottle.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sat Sep 7 09:23:01 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Grynspan says Moran’s parents “incestuous pair of slugs”.
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> At the trials witnesses for the defense were threatened, insulted,
> charged and imprisoned until they changed their testimony. And the
> judges and the prosecution did that to subborn the perjury that is the
> only basis for the holocaust.
This is a lie.
> Every bit of the holocaust rests upon perjury. Suspicions are one
> thing. To have it all so clearly laid out is something else entirely.
You have yet to do so. You tell lies. You cannot point to a single
point in transcript where cross-examination was denied. You cannot point to a
single point in the transcript where the defense was refused the right to present
witnesses. You cannot point to a single point where a judge threatened a
witness.
You are making it up again.
But everybody knows that by now.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sat Sep 7 09:23:02 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer Thinks that U.S. Courts are part of the Inquisition
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> > Apparently you are. Dr. Larson never claimed to have seen it
operation
> >nor have I. It was there. It was in working condition. He saw it.
> Excuse me, you claim to be an attorney but would accept this type of
> testimony against your client?
I deal almost entirely with medical malpractice. It happens in every
trial, Matty poo. That’s what expert testimony is all about.
> This statement alone is enough for any prior client of yours to sue
> you for malfeasance that you would accept such a thing against your
> client.
It is the court that rules on the admissibility of evidence, Matty poo.
> It is amazing that anyone claiming to be an attroney in a capittal
> case would accpet no evidence of a murder and no and no autopsy and
> let their client be condemned despite the lack of same.
Where did I say this, Matty poo. Dr. Larson did autopsies and made a
report as an expert.
> But then you are an attorney and you know your clients can not
demand
> evidence of dead bodies nor autopies and you know your client must be
> condemned based upon testimony of murder without evidence of murder.
Perhaps you think that this measn something in English. It does not.
> And we know that you would let surprise prosecution witnesses
> introducing new testimony against your client stand wtihout objection.
Again your statement is meaningless.
> And we know all of this and more because you support every
procedure
> of all of the war crimes tribunals.
Which did not include the procedures you complain about.
> Despite the fact that means you have no concept of law in this
> country, it is good to see you support kangaroo courts against your
> own clients.
You’re frothing at the mouth again, Matty poo. Ask Mommy for a nice
chocolate chip cookie and a glass of milk.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sat Sep 7 09:23:02 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: It is libel to call me a nazi.
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> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> > An American jury would laugh at this argument.
> In that case I would ask the jury the following the question: “Can Nazis
> be democratic? Since when have the nazis dropped the leadership principle
> (Fuehrerprinzip)? And since when have the nazis embraced the social welfare
> state as I do?”
Learn some history, nazi boy. How did Hitler come to power? What
do you think that the Volkswagen began life as?
> > You, on the other hand, have advocated those views.
> You are lying. I have never advocated the right of one race to rule
> other races. This would have meant that I am tolerating different races
> living within the same state which I certainly do not.
This is such utter nonsense that it is unbeleivabler. You have openly
stated that you are a white supremacist. You have openly supported white
supremacist and neo-nazi organizations. Your own program calls for depriving
people of citizneship based on race and expelling them from their own country. If
you believe in “democracy” the moon is made of green cheese.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Ausrotten and the only good Indian is a dead Indian
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> There can be only one to be a member of. It is the one for the
> particular convention. One would expect an attorney to understand the
> legal niceties of how it is organized.
Bzzzt! Having organized them I know differently. If you a member of the
Worldcon you are a member of the World Science Fantasy Society as well.
Should you really have been a member I suggest you check your program book.
The constitution of the WSFS is printed in every edition.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: More from the IMT follies
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> THIS IS YOUR IMT — The Bench Rules on Cross Examination
> <quote>
> DR THOMA: Witness, the Defendant Rosenberg assures me most definitely
> that
> has never been to the concentration camp at Dachau. Is it possible
> that
> there has been a mistake?
> BLAHA: I believe I am not mistaken. Besides, the German in question
> knew
> Rosenberg very well, I believe.
> DR THOMA: How do you know that?
> BLAHA: Because he told me so definitely. Otherwise, I have no way of
> knowing that.
> THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Thoma
> DR THOMA: Yes
> THE PRESIDENT: You will forgive me if I point out to you that this is
> intended to be an expeditious trial and that it is not right to take
> up too
> much time on small points like this.
> <end quote> IMT V, p. 194
> Certified as proper court procedure by YFE
Perhaps you would like to explain the mistake of law you perceive
here?
I see absolutely nothing wrong with the judge’s comment especially
where the judge is the finder of fact. Hell, I’ve told a lot of attorneys the same
much more forcibly when I sit as an arbitrator.
But then I’m not an asshole like you who thinks that testimony is not
evidence.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> Keith Morrison <[email protected]> writes:
> Now why would Matt have ever attended a WorldCon? According to his
> own words, all science fiction is garbage.
I have no idea. The fact remains that he bragged about being a
member of several.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: What G”ring Knew
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> [email protected] (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
> In <50li0o$[email protected]> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> ! Extract from the interrogation of Higher SS and Police Leader Friedrich
Jeckeln
> ! (December 14, 1945):
>
> But what everbody wants to know is how Poland’s Jewish
> population increased from 650,000 in 1870 to 3,250,000 in 1921. How?
`You still haven’t looked at a map, have you?
> Immigration or the fastest birth rate in Europe by far? Other European
> ethnic groups had an annual growth rate of under one percent at the
> time, not nearly enough to explain the high growth of the Polish
> Jewish populace. Immigration? That would contradict claims of
> centuries old Polish Jewish tradition.
Hint: There is a famour room in the Palace of Versailles called “the
Hall of Mirrors.”
> It’s possible that the Jewish population statistics were inflated by
> the Third Reich in 1942 to provide justification for military action
> to the public, thus encouraging more of it. In any case it was the
> slavs who were the victims of the war, not Jews. Soviet Poland was
> correct to emphasize slavic over Jewish suffering in the war. Hooray
> for communism!
It’s possible as well that you simply have missed the answer to your
question.
If you are still having problems tomorrow: I will give you another hint.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Grynspan says Moran’s parents “incestuous pair of slugs”.
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 5 Sep 1996 00:19:44 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> >> At the trials witnesses for the defense were threatened, insulted,
> >> charged and imprisoned until they changed their testimony. And the
> >> judges and the prosecution did that to subborn the perjury that is the
> >> only basis for the holocaust.
>
> > This is a lie.
>
> Sorry but I can not change the truth even if I wanted to change it.
Odd that the statements you citre are not found in the record.
> > You have yet to do so. You tell lies. You cannot point to a single
> >point in transcript where cross-examination was denied. You cannot point to
a
> >single point in the transcript where the defense was refused the right to
present
> >witnesses. You cannot point to a single point where a judge threatened a
> >witness.
> > You are making it up again.
> > But everybody knows that by now.
> How much more do I need to post on the subject?
Something other than your unsupported statements.
> You support the court taking judicial note of guilt of defendents who
> plead not guilty.
How cab\n I support soemthing that never happened? I do not live in
your fantasy world.
> what more can I say about you?
That I have nailed you in another lie. No such ruling was ever made by
an American judge at either the IMT main prosecutions at Nuremberg or at any of
the trials that I know of. Your unsupported word is worthless.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> There was nothing more revealing that seeing Streiker called a
> pornographer when all he wrote was rather amusingly inane nonsense but
> that the holohuggers called it pornography.
No. He wrote what was, in his day, considered pornography. He also
collected it and braggd about his collection. By the way, Hitler referred to him as a
“pornographist.”
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 20:09:39 -0300, Keith Morrison <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >Now why would Matt have ever attended a WorldCon? According to his
> >own words, all science fiction is garbage.
> I have attended two and I know how they are organized. There is no
> such thing.
If you have attended two, you would know better.
–YFE
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> [email protected] writes:
> Are you dense, or what? I asked for copies of the written medical reports…I
don’t want to
> hear your inane excuses, I want to view the reports which you say were
written out at the time.
> Is it that difficult? I think people are getting wise to the tactics of holocacaust
“affirmation”.
> now…
And who has stopped you from doing so?
–YFE
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> [email protected]@ (Alec Grynspan) writes:
> In <50jq[email protected]>, [email protected] (Matt
Giwer) writes:
> > Going to sue me? Please do.
> Why? You’re effectively judgement-proof and you’ve already been proven a
> liar.
Netcom, however, is not judgment proof.
> You wouldn’t reach the second sentence, Matt. One “irrelevant” objection
> and the judge would tell you to cut the crap.
> > Your’s will be truly fascinating.
> Most definitely.
> “Your honour. Here is Mr Giwer’s statement, repeated over and over
> again. It is false.”
> Then the judge asks you for evidence:
> “HE SAID SO! HE DID! HE DID!”
> Then the judge asks you, again, for evidence.
> “HE SAID SO! HE DID! HE DID!”
> Then I state “Nope!”
> Then the judge asks you, AGAIN, for evidence.
> “HE SAID SO! HE DID! HE DID!”
> Then the judge asks your lawyer “You took this bozo as a client?!?”
This is incorrect. Most state judges would start talking about
contempt. Federal judges would start talking about attorney’s fees.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer Thinks that U.S. Courts are part of the Inquisition
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> > The complete report was not posted here. I posted only the
> >conclusions. The acutal report runs about 100 pages.
> So post the rest since you have it.
Sorry Matty poo. I don’t spam. If you want to see it look it up.
> Particularly since Elie Weisel and Simon Wiesenthal both support my
> position, that you are wrong.
Please post the particulars that those two people agree with you.
> But even holohuggers agree in their wildest imaginations that the
> gassing stopped months before the camp was liberated and that the
> bodies were cremated after being gassed. (Even though it is only the
> wildest-eyed holohuggers who still believe there was any gassing.)
Please give me some references. You lie to frequently to trust your
“memory.”
> So there were no cadavers unless you are claiming he autopseyed
> crematoria ashes but never wrote up a report of his methods. That is
> quite the pity as it is beyond today’s forensic abilities to do that.
> A great scientist, clear years before his time.
Read his report.
> That is because they were not conducted else there would be reports.
There are no reports of the IMT trials?
> And while we are at dishonest, you deleted the following description
> of the kind of court you find up to the highest standards of
> jurisprudence. As a highly educated attorney it is only a commentary
> upon the decline of the justice system in the US that you find the
> following to ber proper court procedure.
I deleted it becasue it was nonsense fabricated by a denier. There was
not a single reference to a portion of the record. I do not find it to be part of a court
procedure that ever happened. I cannot, therefore, have approved of it.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> Could you please provide the full bibliographic information for this book
> please?
> Speer only wrote 4 books. “Spandauer” (translated into English as “Spandau:
> The Secret Diaries”); Inside the Third Reich (I have forgotten it’s German
> title); and two books that were not translated into English, “Kontroversen
> um ein deutsches Pheanomen” and “Architektur: Arbeiten 1933 – 1942.”
> It would seem you are confusing Speer with some other author.
The book I have been referring to is “Infiltration” ISBN 0-02-612800-4
(MacMillan; 1981). It is a translation of “Der Slavenstaat.”
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
>
> The Holcoaust story has eyewitnesses galore. In fact, perhaps 99%
> of the Holocaust evidence is eyewitness testimony. At Nuremberg, other
> trials, in Extraordinary Commission reports made out at the time of
> liberation of particular camps, testimonies of prisoners, civilians,
> SS, and camp administrators – interogations and confessions – gas
> chambers, huge cremation pits and mass graves, yet, not one of them
> was ever ask by any of the investigationg bodies to, ‘Show us the
> scene of the crime’.
Tell your handler that he has made another factual error. Several
requests were made by the prosecution, especially at the later trials, to have sitre
visits made to the KZ. Objection to such visits were were made by the lawyers for
the *nazis.* The objections were sustained.
The reason that no-one ever went to “the scene of the crime” is that
the perpetrators did not want anybody to go there.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Tell your handler that he has made another factual error. Several
> >requests were made by the prosecution, especially at the later trials, to have
sitre
> >visits made to the KZ. Objection to such visits were were made by the
lawyers for
> >the *nazis.* The objections were sustained.
> > The reason that no-one ever went to “the scene of the crime” is that
> >the perpetrators did not want anybody to go there.
> Don’t just say it, show it. Explicitly.
I just did. I stated, explicitily, that all attempts to visit the site of a KZ
was met with objections from counsel for the defendants. Those objections
were sustained.
If there is any part of this statement beyond your limited
comprehension, indicate what it is.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> Ourobouros writes:
> 3. Simon Wiesanthal has stated that no concentration camps were on
> German soil. Therefore, unless Germany was buying land in Poland and so
> forth before W.W.II they couldn’t have made concentration camps before no
> 1939. Is that a reasonable conclusion?
SW has said that no *extermination* camps were within the borders of
the Old Reich. Neither he, nor the SWC, has ever stated that there were no
*concentration* camps within Germany. In fact, they were established fairly
early in the nazi regime.
> 5. If all the points are so far correct, then I can make this conclusion:
> Within 6 years, nearly 12 million people were killed in concentration
> camps.
They aren’t.
> Now, if all the above is correct, I would like to see how it is feasible
> for Germany, at war against the allies, to mobilise nearly 12 million
> people into concentration camps.
Instead of erecting as strawman as what you consider “possible”
consider instead what was done. Do you know, for example, how many Soviet
soldiers were taken prisoner in the first two months of Barbarossa and how
quickly they were put into POW camps?
–YFE
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> And then there is the problem of opening a door to interior that
> is red hot to cold air. Most human beings become aware of what happens
> when they suddenly expose a very hot object to a cold medium or vice
> versa. Crack. Even if the interior is fire clay, manufactured to
> withstand extreme heats, it is not capable of handling repeated
> radical changes.
As has been pointed out, the crematoria broke down from time to time.
Even if your basic premise was correct — it is not — or your statement abut the
lining of the interior was correct — it is not — your conclusion would be wrong.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 7 Sep 1996 02:28:18 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Bzzzt! Having organized them I know differently. If you a member of
the
> >Worldcon you are a member of the World Science Fantasy Society as well.
> >Should you really have been a member I suggest you check your program
book.
> >The constitution of the WSFS is printed in every edition.
>
> As you should know, there is no, THE Worldcon. Each Worldcon is
a
> separate organization to which each person pays directly for
> membership.
Which also makes them a member in the WSFS. If you are a mamber
of any of the current Worldcons, you are also a member of the WSFS. It’s a
rather simple proposition. Anybody with half a brain could have figured that out.
Moreover it is still a diversion, every Worldcon that I know of has recognized
the Wiccans and given them space on the program.
> Now go back and read the thread so you find some way to distort
what
> was said so you can pretend you were right all along.
Since I was, there is no need to distort. The Worldcon (a name legallt
protected by the WSFS) is put on by the WSFS. Simple logic would have told
you there must be a basic organization or else anybody can put on a
“Worldcon” (they cannot) and pass out “Hugos” (also legally protected by the
WSFS).
And the Wiccan religion has been given program space at every
Worldcon I know of since 1980. I certainly did when I programmed the 1982
Worldcon. It has also given program space to a “Christian SF” group since the
founding of that group by Ross Pavlac.
Now why were you a member of said organization?
–YFE
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
>
> From Nizkor:
> The moon No listing No listing
> Mars No listing No listing
> -Danny Keren.
Please note that Moran the Forger is at it again.
–YFE
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> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:
> I wouldn’t mock the dead, even to a slimeball like Yale; I don’t dispute that he
> lost some, maybe a lot, of relatives in the war, but I do take offence that he
> appears to hold me responsible for it in some measure and smears me as
sympathetic
> to mass murder simply because I have the temerity to refuse to accept at face
> value all the shit Jewish and other groups tell us we’re supposed to believe
> of the wicked Nazis.
Samples of Lyin’ Al’s appreciation of the nazis:
1. Hilter was not a racist
2. Kristallnacht was a spontaneous event rather than one instigated
by the nazi party.
3. No one died during Kristallnacht.
4. The continuation of WW II was the result of the rejection by
Churchill of Hitler’s “magnanimous” offer of peace terms.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> In the U.S. there are hundreds of thousands on the government
> dole.
Don’t just stand there polishing the floo0r with your knuckles, l’il tommy.
Give us somne specifics. It should be hard for you to name a few hundred.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> The only thing you could count on Bell to have anyone believe
> whatever you write is for their not going over the previous
> statements. Out here Bell, it is all written down as it goes, and sits
> there for reference by any one who wants to see if someone is trying
> to pull off a dupe.
When you make it to Kelly’s classroom please bring this along as an
example of your forensic and rhetorical skills.
–YFE
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> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:
>
> THE FINAL SOLUTION The Attempt to Exterminate the Jews of Europe
> 1939 1945, by Gerald Reitlinger, published by Vallentine, Mit-
> chell, London, (1953). 622 pages. Index.
>
> page 161: After May 19th 1943, Berlin was
> officially “Jew-free” but 18,000 or so remained, some of them
> roaming the streets. All the rest had been deported to Auschwitz
> and Theresienstadt
> page 164: one of the criteria for being deported to Auschwitz was
> smoking a cigarette in the street.
Odd, isn’t it that when the original statement is read it directly contradicts
your statement that Jews weren’t deported to concentration camps?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: And/Or Numbers
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> [email protected] (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
> In <50upvu$[email protected]> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> ! Please note that Moran the Forger is at it again.
>
> Liar. It was posted by Tom Moran and showed the proper header.
The liar is l’il tommy. The words credited to Dr. Keren were not written by Dr. Keren.
That is forgery.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish Allegiance is to Israel First
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> tom moran ([email protected]) wrote:
> : This Jamie McCarthy thinks all he has to do is create a doosier
> : on someone, announce it, and this will scare them away from telling
> : the truth.
> Yeah, Jamie–cut it with the doosiers, huh?
Wasn’t that a movie starring Jean Heckman?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Jewish Allegiance is to Israel First
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> Annie Alpert <[email protected]> wrote:
> Zionism was a movement way before the present Israel Annie. Keep
> talking, your good for revisionism.
I’m not sure. What’s an Israel Annie? Is it a comic strip in Yiddish
about a girl with no eyes and her little dog?
> >The rest is silence . . .
Not when l’il tommy is around. Then the rest is uncontrollable giggling.
> >Nizkor (USA) – An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
> >Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
> >European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
> >Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: NOMINATION: Tom Moran for KOTM
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> Joel Rosenberg ([email protected]) wrote:
> Tom Moran has, I believe, appeared in these parts before. He’s quite
> famous over on alt.revisionism where, along with his insistence that
> the Holocaust never happened and his paranoid certainty that THE JOOS
> are out to get him, he’s known for his tortured syntax–for example:
> >Subject: Re: Does the “A-Team” get paid?
> >From: [email protected] (tom moran)
> >Date: 1996/09/06
> >Message-Id: <[email protected]>
> >References: <[email protected]>
> >Organization: Posted via CAIS Internet <[email protected]>
> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> >Sara, how is you raise your son as a topic out here in a format
> >like this?
> Tom has also made a name for himself by reposting entire articles and
> either adding nothing or extracting a couple of words from the original,
> apparently at random, and putting them in quotation marks. He’s a liar
> and an antisemite. He’s impervious to reason, completely clueless,
> and without a sense of irony.
> But, of course, none of that makes him a suitable candidate for
> Kook of the Month. This, I believe, does: here is Tom, in the
> midst of arguing that the Nazis really weren’t so mean to the Jews
> at all, pausing to score a point against the historical reality of
> the Holocaust by informing us that a gun he isn’t fond of is
> manufactured in Israel:
But htis about the level we have come to expect from li’l tommy.
Compare, for example, his post that “proved” that there wre no Jews in Poland
for the nazis to murder. I beleive his reasoning was soemthing silly like the price
of lox in Poland was too high or that Jews only like to live in Miami Beach.
Compare as well his indentification of the KKKK anf a gaggle of Catholic priests
as “a Jewish group” and “the Jews” respectively.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: First the sister, then the mom and pop, and now the wife
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> Mr.Edeiken mumbling about something:
> “Don’t just stand there polishing the floo0r with your knuckles,
> l’il tommy. Give us somne specifics. It should be hard for you to
> name a few hundred.”
Actually you stupid lying twit, it was in response to your anti-Semitic lie
that “hundreds of thousands” of Russian Jews are on the dole in the United
States.
You have, of course, not produced a even a single source to back up
this outrageous lie.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > And who has stopped you from doing so?
> Not who-but what-in this case the apparent non-existence of the alleged
documents.
> Perhaps Miss Alpert was right-there were no autopsies-not for the reason she
gave, however.
The report of a forensic pathologist on the autopsies and visual
surveys he performed (roughly in a 1:3 ratio) constitute a a valid post mortem
medical report. Larson’s report is well-known. It was used both in evidence and
was later presented to Congressional hearings where it became part of the
record.
Now who is topping you from reading them?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Lauck gets 4 years
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> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:
> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken”
writes:
> > Please don’t give me the usual Lyin’ Al bullshit to “check out” some
> > nutcase or other. Give me direct references to Reitlinger or the Jewish
> > Chronicle
> Did you say please?
> The citation I gave for Reitlinger is a reference to Jews still in Berlin in
> 1944.
Reilinger has written several books, many articles, and made many public
statements. Where can the statement you cited be found and how did Reitlinger
use it to show that Jews were not imprisoned for being Jews.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: What other sorts of Revisionism are there?
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> : Why sure there is. They are also into How Jews Control the UN,
> : How Jews Are Behind Equal Rights, How Jews Control the Media
> : and the ever popular How Jews Control the Banks.
> Don’t forget How Jews are Drying Up the Noble Aryan Sperm.
And, in the case of Tom Moran, how Dah Jooos are scamming us with
big guns that nobody can hold in useless calibers like .357 magnum.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Ken McVay, common lying holohugger
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> He has claimed that I mailbombed him.
You did.
> But he is a liar in making that claim.
The mailbomb is public.
> And he is too cowardly to respond for himself.
There is no reason for him to respond. The mailbomb is publically
posted.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: ‘Show us the scene of the crime.’
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>
> >> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> > Tell your handler that he has made another factual error. Several
> >> >requests were made by the prosecution, especially at the later trials, to
have
> >sitre
> >> >visits made to the KZ. Objection to such visits were were made by the
> >lawyers for
> >> >the *nazis.* The objections were sustained.
> The only source for this claim is YFE personally who learned it be
> divine inspiration.
No. I learned it from reading. It happened at least twice. Michael
Musmanno of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court was fond of citing it as an example
of when a site visit should be allowed or not.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: ‘Show us the scene of the crime.’
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 8 Sep 1996 15:42:30 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Tell your handler that he has made another factual error. Several
> >requests were made by the prosecution, especially at the later trials, to have
sitre
> >visits made to the KZ. Objection to such visits were were made by the
lawyers for
> >the *nazis.* The objections were sustained.
> Do you happed to have a source for this? Of course not.
Yes. The record of the trials. Several books about the trials. Michael
Musmanno, Justice of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: a) An false statement may be severly punished
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> Jeffrey <[email protected]> writes:
> Petrat’s post-conviction plea was in the case file, a forlorn voice from
> the grave which I read with pangs of sorrow. His statement had been
> prepared in German had been submitted to the Military Governor of the US
> Zone of Occupation in English translation. Since no more than a handful
> of Americans have seen this or any other German “war criminal’s” side
> of the story, I reproduce it in its entirety, as follows:
> Perat’s statement is cited on Pages 258 to 263 in Innocent at Dachau by
> Joseph Halow.]
It should be noted that Perat was convicted for specific murders during
a death march. He was assigned to the back of the column and was observed
deliberately murdering those who fell behind. Halow cites no evidence to
contradict the witnesses. His “proof” of Perat’s innocence is that he thought that
Perat had an affair with the main witness. Although he had ample opportunity to
do so, Halow cites not a sinlge fact that would support Perat’s statements either
about his supposed mistreatment or the nature of his trial.
Perat was hanged for his crimes after a review of the trial by both
Lucius Clay — later criticized for his leniency — and a miliatry review panel who
investigated the petition that Stumpy quotes and found that it was not supported
by the evidence.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Now who is stopping you from reading them? [typo corrected]
> Indeed, I have read some of the material. However, in this issue I desire to
> read the actual written reports themselves, as well as the results of the
chemical
> testings which were supposedly done. You are intelligent enough to
understand
> why these reports, if they exist, are preferable over testimony.
What you are, apparently, asking for is not the “reports” — you have
read them, his findings were contained in a single written report — but Larson’s
raw notes. I have no idea whether they were saved. Many forensic pathologists
destroy them after a final report — the document you have — is prepared. I do not
consider raw notes all that valuable especially when the conditions under which
Larson worked are considered. The chemical tests, fow example, were not
reported to him until weeks after the p.m.s were performed. What I consider
valuable is Larson’s medical opinion. I know of no court that would not allow him
to testify as to that.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: and do not forget
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> Nitskor is a German derivative word.
“Nitskor” may be. “Nizkor” is Hebrew.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 12 Sep 1996 17:56:51 GMT, [email protected] (william c
> anderson) wrote:
> >Welcome back, by the way. Did you have to promise to stop mailbombing?
> No. I simply explained that I did not at any time mailbomb and that
> you folks were lying about what happened. The truth works.
As a matter of fact, Giwer is lying. The mailbomb is public. He sent it.
Necom.com agreed that it was a mailbomb.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> We have been over the hearsay that was reported. Not one mention
was
> made of any autopsey.
Yes. And it was pointed out that an expert like LArson could make use
of hearsay in his reports. Larson specifically states that his conclusions were
based on numerous p.m.’s and more visual examinations of cadavers.
Look it up.
> Only when what I expect is what happens. You know there are no
> autopsey reports showing HCN poisoning. Therefore you folks will only
> claim there are such reports in hopes of finding a way to divert the
> discussion.
Since I have posted Larson’s final report stating that at p.m. examination
he determined the cause of death to be gassing, I haven’t the foggiest idea what
lie you are currently peddling.
> Case closed. Lets move on.
The case that is closed is yours. You are lying again.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Sep 13 22:44:48 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: and do not forget
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 12 Sep 1996 21:06:35 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> >> Nitskor is a German derivative word.
>
> > “Nitskor” may be. “Nizkor” is Hebrew.
>
> Right. All Yid is Hebrew.
>
> I once knew a Jew who insisted that Fenster was Hebrew.
>
> He also insisted there was no connection between German and Yiddish.
>
> It is amazing how far you folks will go to lie.
>
> In fact the person I am referring to spent a year in Saudi (lying
> about his religion) to work for them. After all, it was money. That
> is also what I have come to expect.
Which, of course, does not change the basic fact. The word “nizkor”
is Hebrew.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Sep 13 22:44:49 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: All mouth – No substance
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> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Ken
Lewis” writes:
> > >And pressure by, among others, American Jews.
> > Citations please.
> Are you serious? Check out some of the poison that was spewed out by them
> at the time. Or the activities of the Fight For “Freedom” Fund. You people
> always want it both ways.
Yes. When you tell your outrageous lies we want to know whether
you are repeating the lies of others or just making them up. Two examples are
your statements, both outright lies:
1. That Christine Jeffries was fired from her teaching position because
of pressure from the ADL.
2. That the ADL announced that 20% of all Americans are
anti-Semites.
The poison here is from you, Lyin’ Al.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Sep 13 22:44:50 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Kreiberg’s plans to deport Danish citizens
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> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> Terror? Is it terror to motivate illegal aliens to leave? Does the USA
> exercise “terror” by forcing thousands of illegal aliens every month to
> leave the country?
The difference — which you refuse to recognize — is that the people who
you are talking about are not “illegal immigrants.” They are Danish citizens either
by birth or because they obtained that citizenship by legal means. To arbitrarily
revoke such citizenship on the basis of ethnic origins is a violation of their human
and legal rights. There is, to my knowledge, only one country that ever so
maltreated their citizens. That country was nazi Germany.
You are, and remain, a nazi.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Sep 13 22:44:51 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: the usual suspects
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 12 Sep 1996 21:05:22 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > The problems I talked to him about were:
> > 1. Your mailbombing of Nizkor. Which netcom.abuse found to have
> >happened.
> Then you lied to Netcom. Yes, you are a liar.
No. I just pointed him to the URL. They beleived that.
> > 2. Your extortion attempt against Nizkor: Which netcom.abuse found
> >to have happened.
> Again, you lied to Netcom.
No. I just pointed him to the URL. They beleived that.
> > 3. Your various threats of violence. Which netcom.abuse found to be
> >to vague for them to act upon.
> Again, you lied to Netcom.
No. I just sent them your posts. They reacted as I stated.
> > 4. The various abusive e-mails you have sent to various people
> >including me. You have been warned by netcom.abuse to stop this practice.
> Again, you lied to Netcom.
No. I just sent them copies of the e-mails that you sent to me.
> > We also discussed the accusations *you* made that Gyrnspyn was
> >working for Nizkor. Netcom.abuse decided that you were in error.
> Again, you lied to Netcom
Actually it was netcom that made this statement to me.
> > The only person that I know of who was harrasssing others was named
> >”Matt Giwer.” Netcom.abuse agreed.
> Based upon the presumption that your lies were true there is nothing
> anyone could do but agree.
Based upon the posts you have made.
> But you did not tell one truth in your phone call.
Are you denying that the words were yours?
> BTW: Was it you or Nizkor (with whom you coordinated the phone calls
> to make them sound more important) who made the claim that there was a
> private investigation of my imagined “threats”? Why did you not claim
> there was an FBI investigation and that you had talked to an FBI agent
> as you have done in public here?
I not only informed them of the FBI investigation but provided them with
the name of the agent and her telephone number.
> You folks should learn your limits. Rather you should have learned
> them. It is too late now.
I haven’t even started yet. There is already a compliant forwarded to
them about one of your recent posts. I am waiting for their reaction.
–YFE
From [email protected] Fri Sep 13 22:44:51 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Human skin LAMPSHADE STORY A CRUEL AND VULGAR HOAX
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:01:48 -0800, [email protected] (Mark Van
> Alstine) wrote:
> >In light of Jeffrey’s claims one might wish to consider the following, a
> >US Army pathologist’s report:
> >————————————————————————-
> > Seventh Medical Laboratory
> > APO 403, c/o PK, New York, N.Y.
> > Section of Pathology
> > 25 May 1945
> > SUBJECT: Identification of Tattoed Skin Hides
> > TO : COMMANDING GENERAL, Third U. S. Army
> > (ATTN: JUDGE ADVOCATE GENERAL)
> > 1. There were submitted to this laboratory section for
> > examination three tanned pieces of skin by Lt. Col. GIVIN
> > from Buchenwald Camp with office record designation of
> > Case 81 T.J.A.
> > 2. The description follows:
> > PIECE C: Is truncated, measures 44 cm. at the base. The
> > upper portion is 30 cm. long and the sides measure 46 cm.
> > The skin is transparent, and shows two nipples in the upper
> > area. These are 16 cm. apart. From the nipple level to the
> > umbilicus is 23 1/2 cm. ….
> With the largest part of 44 cm there is no way any human body could
> show two nipples. What an asshole.
I’ll bet the ranch that your nipples are less than 44 cm apart. I’ll bet that
even “Grey’s Anatomy” would tell you that.
> > MICROSCOPIC: The tissue consists of bundles of collagen
> > showing occasional epithelial and sweat gland remnants.
> > Granular black pigment granules are seen between some
> > of the bundles.
> > 3. Based on the findings in paragraph 2, all three specimens
> > are tattooed human skin.
> > For the Commanding Officer,
> > (signature)
> > REUBEN CARES
> > Major M.C.
> > Chief of Pathology
> But of course they were later identified as lambskin.
By who, Matty poo? Please post the pathologist’s report that disputes
this finding.
Or did you just make it up. As usual.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sat Sep 14 01:28:45 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Human skin LAMPSHADE STORY A CRUEL AND VULGAR HOAX
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
> > Clay was quite simply wrong about this. He was misinformed by his
> > lawyer advisors at the time, as a Senate Investigatory Committee
> > reported. Yet deniers continue to quote him. Typical revisionism.
> Why was he wrong about this? Please read my recent post addressing this
> very issue.
Actaully your mistake is in quoting a book about Clay rather than Clay
himself. In his book Clay claims that he was misinformed and that material was
presented at the Senate hearings that was not presented to him at the time he
reviewed Koch’s record. “Decision in Germany” , page 254.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sat Sep 14 01:28:46 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Ken McVay, common lying holohugger
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 12 Sep 1996 20:33:08 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> >> He has claimed that I mailbombed him.
> > You did.
> You lie about a matter of which you have no direct knowledge.
I saw it, shithead. Anybody can. McVay made it part of the Nizkor website.
> >> But he is a liar in making that claim.
> > The mailbomb is public.
> The lie is public. You have no direct knowledge of events. You are
> lying.
How can I lie about something that is displayed in public.
–YFE
From [email protected] Sat Sep 14 01:28:47 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Ye shall smell gas where there be no gas
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> I know you liars are going to try again so why not get about it?
Done that already. Already got a worried call from their law firm.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: Ivan Dem’yanyuk at Sobibor
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> Clearly I received two harrassing phone calls about a private matter
> between me an my ISP. So there is no question in the mind of netcom
> that there is a conspiracy going on unless of course YFE or the
> webmale at Nizkor is the source of the the harrassing phone calls.
You are lying.
> Or maybe you are the criminal.
You are the criminal.
> It does not matter to me. All of you holohuggers are in criminal
> conspiracy as your own words admit.
Nobody has admitted anything.
> But more to the point, a 36 hour absense could not be considered
> having been gone unless “the word was spread” by you folk.
Netcom suspended you account.
> You folks are so stupid that you can not even cover your own ass in
> your lying claims about what happened.
Netcom suspended your account based on you abuses.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 13 Sep 1996 13:10:08 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Yes. And it was pointed out that an expert like LArson could make use
> >of hearsay in his reports. Larson specifically states that his conclusions were
> >based on numerous p.m.’s and more visual examinations of cadavers.
> > Look it up.
> Hearsay is not admissible in any court but a holohugger court filled
> with the usual gang of lying holohuggers. And we have been over the
> few exceptions so there is no reason to pretend to bring them up
> again.
Rule 703, Federal Rules of Evidence: “The facts or data in the particular
case upon which an expert bases his opinion or inference may be those perceived
by or made known to the expert at or before the hearing. If of a type reasonably
relied upon by experts in the particular field in forming opinions or inferences upon
the subject, the facts or data need not be admissible in evidence.”
Rule 802, Federal Rules of Evidence: “Hearsay is not admissible except
as provided by these rules or by other rules prescribed by the Supreme Court
pursuant to statutory authority or by Act of Congress.”
Rule 803, Federal Rules of Evidence: “The following are not excluded by
the hearsay rule even though the declarant is avaialble as a witness. . . .
.
[exceptions 1 through 23 deleted for brevity]
(24) A statement not specifically covered by any of the foregoing
exceptions but having equivalent circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness, if the
court determines that (A) the statement is offered as evidence of a material fact; (B)
the statement is more probative on the point for which it is offered than any other
evidence which the proponent can procure through reasonable efforts; and (C) the
genral purposes of these rules and the interests of justice will best be served by the
admission of the statement into evidence.” see also Rule 804 (5) which repeats the
same language for situations where the declarant is unavailable.
Is there any other topic you feel like making a fool of yourself on.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: McVay’s rave review for nixing Zundel’s air time.
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes
> As McVay and and YFE have demonstrated, holohuggers are liars and
will
> harrass ISPs simply to get a person silenced.
> It is clear that you folks do not want real discussion. Bnd it is
> clear that you will pretend you do while you do the contrary.
Libel is not free speech. You libel people.
Invasion of privacy is not free speech. You have invaded the privacy of
others.
Interfering with the service of others is not free speech. You mailbombed
Nizkor.
Extortion is not free speech. You have attempted extortion against
Nizkor.
Death threats are not free speech. You have made them.
For you portray yourself as a proponent of free speech is about as sad as
a crack dealer operating outside an elementary school claiming that he isjust a
proponent of allowing people to obtain medication cheaply.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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> [email protected] writes:
> Thre purpose of the original thread was to discuss wether Hoess was tortured
> and beaten into signing a false confession which ends with the words that he
> signs under no compulsion.
Then please present some evidence.
After his beatings and torments at the hands of the
> British, he was then shipped on to the Poles and Soviets, where undoubtedly he
> was treated with great tenderness and during which time he wrote his
“autobiography”
> again “without compulsion”.
Do you have any evidence that he was beaten while in Polish hands?
You have nothing except you suspicion. That counts for nothing.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
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> [email protected] writes:
> By the way, we are still waiting for the original autopsy reports conducted by
> the doctor you refer to in your post. We won’t hold our breath….
The conclusions of the report have been posted. You are just too lazy to
look up the report for yourself.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: Pulling Hen’s Teeth
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> I have never said that Goldhagen is perfectly acceptable. Goldhagen has not
> gotten a good reception in this forum nor from his peers.
Strangely enough Goldhagen has received his most enthusiasic reception in
Germany. His book is on the bestseller list and he speaks to packed houses.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
Date: 15 Sep 1996 06:50:24 GMT
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 14 Sep 1996 04:27:54 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > The conclusions of the report have been posted. You are just too lazy to
> >look up the report for yourself.
> Interesting that I did look it up and it makes no mention of autopsies
> showing cyanide poisoning. What in the world are you talking about?
Larson’s report. Were you drunk when you read it?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Opinions on Nuremberg
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 14 Sep 1996 11:16 MST, [email protected] (Danny
> Mittleman) wrote:
> >>One common characteristic of deniers seems to be their reluctance to do
> >>research. Wonder why?
> > The Jews won’t let them?
> Research is not reading researchers save to liberal arts pukes.
Maybe Matty poo will finally agree to discuss the research methods
which led to the revelation that the Nuremberg Tribunal convicted various
defendants of committing the Katyn Massacre and sentenced them to death.
Others can add their favorite Giwer Fabrication.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Giwer: Drunk Again?
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> I am repeating what I was told by NETCOM and what happened on
the
> phone. NETCOM told me only two people had been told what was going
> on. He named the Nizkor order taker and you.
> I can not change that.
Yes, Matty poo, and someone once told you that potatoes were part of
the ritual meal at Passover. What he told you, you drunken dimwit, is that *he*
talked only to the two of us. That is far different from the statements you are
making.
What you can change is your total lack of integrity. I realize that it will
be hard to overcome of lifetime of lying.
Sober up.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Sep 16 06:11:06 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Moran’s Index
Date: 16 Sep 1996 01:14:29 GMT
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> This is a list of Moran’s postings on alt.revisionism. These are
> the posts that Nizkor fears to include in it’s dossier on Moran in a
> straight foward way.
> These are the “neo-Nazi” – “anti-Semitic” postings that have
> terrorized the Holocaust dependents.
It should be noted that Moran has eliminated some of his more
outrageous posts from this list. Specifically he has eliminated all of his posts,
including “Time for a Showdown” in which he attributed a lawsuit filed by the KKKK
to a “Jewish group.” He has also fails to mention his psots about the Dead Sea
Scrolls in which he blamed acts committed by a group dominated by Catholic
priests — and which specifically excluded Jews from membership — as “the Jews.”
Also missing are his silliness where he demonstrates his basic inabililty to use
numbers when he tried to compute the number of trees in Israel.
The truth is that Moran is a liar and an anti-Semite.
He hasn’t the guts even to deny those basic facts; instead he blames the
victims of his foul an venomous bigotry for objecting to it.
–YFE
From [email protected] Mon Sep 16 07:22:45 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: holohugging traitors
Date: 16 Sep 1996 01:28:19 GMT
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> Ridiculous, Rosenberg is not an American, he is Jewish, therefore
> he could not be a “traitor”. He is only doing what comes natural,
> supporting anything Jewish.
Another anti-Semitic remark from that noted anti-Semite and liar: T.
Moran.
> How about making them submit to a debate on national television,
> on the campus and in the major medias? This is their ultimate fear.
> Having to defend their idiotic propostions directly under cross
> examination.
How about a presentation before an impartial tribunal of Maron’s
blatent anti-Semitism and outright lies. Moran runs from such exposure like the
plague.
He has been offered the opportunity and has not even bothered to
answer.
Some people would call him a coawrd. Among those, apparently, is T.
Moran.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Moran’s Index
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> Chuck Ferree <[email protected]> writes:
> Who tha hell cares? What a waste of time. People read all this
> gargage? Why doesn’t the man just write a decent novel?
> Chuck
Becasue it takes a modicum of skill in the use of the English to put
together a novel; a bit more to put together a “decent” one. Moran lacks this
basic skill.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Moran Admits his Cowardice
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
>
> They who refuse to debate, oppose debate or stifle debate,
> declare they don’t have the will, the substance or the guts to meet
> the challenge. It is a sign of cowardice.
Moran, by his own definition, is a coward. He has been ivited several
times to present his position before an impartial tribunal. Specifically, I assert that
he is a liar and an anti-Semite. I have offered to present my case before an
impartial board of arbitration with the proviso that the loser pay the arbitration
fees.
Moran has not only refused. He reuses even to anwer.
> It is tacit declaration they know they would lose, that they
> don’t have faith in their position, that they know deep down inside or
> are consciously aware their own position sucks.
Moran now admits that he knows he would lose. Deep down inside
he knows he is a liar and an anti-Semite.
> This applies to any of those persons and groups that oppose free
> open discussion on the Holocaust.
It applies as well to Moran. Those having any doubts are invited to
await Moran’s response.
Will he lie about it again as he had in the past?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Dave Harman OBC) writes:
> In <323[email protected]> [email protected] (Steve
A) writes:
>
> ! In any event, I have found on my visits to the US that, while
> ! there may not be any legislative imperative for citizens to carry
> ! ID, it is impossible to get a drink in a bar without having to
> ! prove ID (and they didn’t like my photo-less UK driving licence)
> ! even when you’re obviously over ten years older than the minimum
> ! age to drink.
> This is the practice by American business, no friends of liberty.
> This practice can be stopped.
Actaully in my state — Pennsylvania — it’s a law. The law also
establishes what can be used as i.d. It includes a i.d. issued by the Liqour
Control Board. Taverns can — and have — been prosecuted for accepting the
wrong i.d.
–YFE
From [email protected] Tue Sep 17 10:22:04 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Moran’s Declaration Of His Deficiency
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> What irks Mr.Mittleman about any of Moran’s non responding, is
> that when Mr.Mittleman or anyone else posts something Moran thinks
> idiotic, he find it better to let it stand, in the nude, as self
> evident. As to responding to any serious attempt, the record is always
> here.
Moran has, of course, a double standard. How many times has this
lying anti-Semite annouced that anybody who does not refute his posts
“endorses” them.
Meanwhile, of course, Moran continues to run from any meaningful
debate.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Specifications For “Proof”
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> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
> Lipstadt is a polemicist and Jewish propagandist masquerading as an
> historian. But that’s nothing new.
Al Baron is a lying anti-Semite masqueerading as a researcher. But
that’s nothing new.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: McVay’s rave review for nixing Zundel’s air time.
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> No, Kurt–the media is not monolithic. The “media bosses” have no
> power whatsoever to shut you up. You and your White Power Ranger
> buddies can pool your money, if you like, and buy a newspaper, or
> you can start your own crackpot shortwave radio show, or you can
> flood usenet with the sort of horsecrap you’ve been posting here.
> You aren’t censored–you’re just ridiculous.
> I don’t support censorship by the German government. I think it’s
> morally wrong; and I think it’s a very bad idea indeed, since it
> gives you and your ilk a platform to whine from. As for “censorship”
> by the media–that’s called editorial discretion, Kurt. People who
> own newspapers and television stations are under no obligation whatsoever
> to print or air your delusional fantansies, any more than they are
> obligated to print the exciting stories of the man who thinks his
> sister’s ghost is inhabiting the body of his dog.
What I found amusing is that the “denier’s” around her — who claim to
put such a premium on “evidence” — immediately assumed that becasue Inga
Rimland said something it was automatically true. Rimland has lied before about
such “persecution” (she fabricated, for example, an incident where Villanova
University cancelled a Muslim conference because of “Jewish” pressure. In fact,
there was no protest and the conference was held as scheduled.)
Not a single one of those frantic defenders of “free speech” even
bothered to find out if or why the station cancelled the program. For all they know
it could have been becasue they went to an automated top 40 program.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Ken McVay, common lying holohugger
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> [email protected] (Joel Rosenberg) writes:
> Who would hire him, and why?
Any good carnival. Good Bobos are hard to come by.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Tom Moran Can’t read (again!)
(Was Re: Holocaust Specifications For “Proof”)
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> Marty Kelley <[email protected]> wrote:
> > But golly, Mr. Moran–she is saying that this is what OTHERS say. She is
> >not saying that she believes this–in fact, she goes on to explicitly say
> >that Holocaust deniers must be countered with facts, and that therefore
> >Pressac’s book is necessary.
> They argue Pressac’s book is superfluous; the tears of the survivors
> should be sufficient proof.
> These are the words. I left off quote marks so it is clear that the
> sentence is Ms.Lipstadt’s and not a reference to something a
> revisionist said, as Mr.Kelley is trying to infer.
It is clearly a reference to what others state.
> The first part of the sentence is her statement on what revisionists
> argue, the part, after a semicolon, is her statement on what should
> suffice. A semicolon is different than a comma. It is defined in the
> dictionary as “used to indicate a major division in a sentence”.
It is not.
> ” …; the tears of the survivors should be sufficient proof” is her
> opinion, and not her quoting, in her own words, revisionists.
Your knowledge of the English language is pitiful,
> >” In the best of all possible worlds they would be right. The
> >testimony of those who suffered as well as the corroboration of the
> >perpetrators themselves would be the ultimate proof.
>
> Now this sentence is hard to relate to any preceding relevance
> which she implies with “…they could be right”.
Only becasue you are an illiterate bumpkin.
> > But eventually the
> >survivors will pass on and future generations will seek this
> >documentation. Moreover, we live in a world where a small group of
> >people, many of whom have an anti-Semitic and neo-fascist agenda, labor
> >assiduously to convince future generations that the Holocaust was a
> >hoax.
>
> Okay here we have the statement that “many” revisionists are
> “anti-Semitic” and “neo-Nazis”.
They are. You, for example, are clearly an anti-Semite. Child’s play to prove
it. You know it yourself. That’s why you cut an run whenever you challenge to do is
accepted.
> Somewhere we have to insert a comment on Ms.Lipstadts refusal to
> debate. Her reason being something like it would be below the dignity
> of the Holocaust memory. Not wanting to legitimize revisionism with a
> serious acceptance for the debate. Whatever her excuse for refusing
> to debate, she refuses to debate, as all the rest of the top echelon
> figures at the forefront of pressing the story.
Another person who refuses to test his ideas in an impartial forum is T. Moran.
> If the “claims” of the revisionist are “utter nonsense” then one
> should think she would take up the challenge and expose the utter
> nonsense. “Utter nonsense” seems like something that should be easy to
> deal with and expose as such.
Which she does.
> Perhaps she should have used some other word than “debate” in her
> first sentence. Here she refers to a “mound” of evidence, and we could
> think what with a mound of evidence and the other side claiming
> nothing but utter nonsense there should be no problem with dispatching
> of any revisionist claims and questions.
There isn’t. that’s why you have to resort to lies so frequently.
> All this could have been and can be accomplished in open debate
> if she ever gets up the guts to accept.
When will you have the guts to acknowledge that challenge has been
accepted.
> She has written many things about many people, but by her own
> brief account here she has not made one attempt at undoing any of what
> they had to say, all she has done is to write things in her book about
> them, such as Irving, and will not stand accountable on her own
> initiative.
Nor, of course, will T. Moran. He will never stand up in an impartial forum and
defend his venomous bigorty and lies. He knows he can’t.
> Does Ms.Lipstadt use way out examples to make a point. Every
> movement has their lunatic fringe and we could take notice of any
> concentration on that instead of on the substance of revisionist
> points and questions.
And you are a member of that lunatic fringe.
> I would say Ms.Lipstadt is thoroughly corrupt. Whether she knows
> it or not, that is another question.
The stench of corruption can be smelled whenever T. Moran, a liar and an
anti-Semite posts his nonsense.
> I would rate Mr.Kelley in the same ranks as Ms.Lipstadt.
But then you are a liar and an anti-Semite attempting to put up a
smokescreen.
–YFE
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 16 Sep 1996 09:02:27 -0400, [email protected] (Michael P.
Stein)
> wrote:
> > Perhaps Mr. Giwer will post the alleged request from Ken McVay which
> >could possibly have been legitimately answered by the mail which was sent.
>
> > Then again, given that he is a proven and self-confessed liar, perhaps
> >he won’t.
He didn’t, observe below:
>
> I do not keep two+ month old mail. That was of course the game
McVay was
> playing. After all, if there was a problem with a mailbomb why did he wait 2+
> months to complain about it? Can you explain the delay?
There was no delay in reporting it. There was a delay in getting
netcom to act on it. In fact, they apologized for the delay.
> And if there was no problem with it, why report it at all?
Because it was an attempt at disrupting his service with a mailbomb.
> If you were to receive a mail bomb would you wait over two months to
report?
No. That’s why it was reported immediately. Moreover, I write this
post less than two months after your mailbomb.
> Is there something about this that I have to make so simple that even
a
> holohugger can understand?
You might try the truth. That would be an interesting change in your
modus operandi.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
Date: 16 Sep 1996 23:03:13 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> > > >> Then please present some evidence.
>
> Already done.
No. You said you had “a reasonable suspicion.” That’s a starting point
only. It is not even hearsay.
Hell I have a reasonable suspicion that Warren G. Harding was
poisoned. Does that make it correct to assert that, as a fact, Harding was
poisoned and ask people to take it seriously?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> The fact is, revisionism in America -is- censored, but instead of being
> done by the government it is done by the media. Censorship is censorship,
> whether done by the government or by media bosses.
It might be time to break this news to you. One of the first acts of the
1st Congress was to prose 12 amendments to the Constitution. The third was
passed by the states and remains part of the Constitution of the United States as
the “1st Amendment.” Among the rights guaranteed by that Amendment is one
generally known as “freedom of the press.” This gives the press — i.e. the media
— the right to print what they want. It also, by implication, aloows them not to
print what they do not want to print.
If you disapprove of what the prints or wish it to print something else
your remedy is a simple one: start your own newspaper, establish your own
publishing house, or buy yourself a radio or television station. This is, after all,
the process by which the current “media bosses” obtained their ownership.
Go ahead. Be an American. Enter the marketplace of ideas.
–YFE
From [email protected] Wed Sep 18 09:12:55 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> In the last two days I have posted twenty or so messages contrary to
the
> holocaust myth and not one response from he holohuggers.
That’s a lie — your usual means of communication. Frankly your posts
have descended into such a pattern of ranting and raving that it has become
hard to take you seriously.
> It is good that the holohuggers have remained silent on the matter.
They would
> embarrass themselves were they to object.
The embarrasment is yours. You have made a fool of yourself so
many times that every time you post a new lie the question is: who is laughing
loudest at you?
I read your posts on Nuremberg. It is apaprent you are familiar neither
with law or those proceedings.
Interspersed with your ignorant ravings have been dishonest
ad hominum fabrications and a brand of anti-Semitic rants that would do Julius
Streicher proud.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: AN ADMISSION OF MY STUPIDITY
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) wrote:
> >In accordance with the agreement with Netcom to allow me to once again
have
> >access, I hereby do declare that I am a racist, pig-like liar and troller.
> They forced you to be honest. Maybe there is a God after all. I guess
> after this spurt of honesty you can go back to being the liar as you
> have admitted you are, right?
Actually since he has returned Matty poo has been even more
dishonest than usual. Other than his actionably dishonest anti-Semitic rants our
resident six-year-old has lied as follows:
1. He has stated that his attempt to disrupt Nizkor service with a mail
bomb was at the invitation of Ken MacVay. Unfortunately he did not bother to
make a copy of the invitation. This is a lie. (Moreover I am now very happy that
I have been collecting cases on spoliation of evidence recently).
2. He has stated (actionably) that I (or Ken) have been harrassing him
with illegal telephone calls. Another lie. Moreover since the calls would have
been made by long distance it would have been child’s play for Matty poo (how
appropriate) to have them traced. He has not, of course. Perhaps this is
because they never happened.
3. He continues his tasteless attacks on an authistic nine-year-old.
4. He continues to lie both about his posts and about the posting of
others.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> It is no different these days to harrass service providers to the same
effect as
> silencing the opposition. It is a very, very nasty battle that is shaping up
> here.
No one has “harrassed” any service providers. They haver
complained about your illegal activities.
> On one hand we have the people who are trying get out a mesage
and on the other
> we have those trying to prohibit the message.
In this case that one is M. Giwer. In a post that can only be
characterized as outright extortion he threatened Nizkor with “unspecified
penalties” — which he later stated were extra-legal — unless they stopped
publishing the truth about him. Later he attempted to disrupt Nizkor service with
a mailbomb.
> It is only the holohuggers attempting to stop the opposition.
M. Giwer has deliberately and illegally attempted to disrupt Nizkor’s
service.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 08:57:08 GMT, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:
> >No, no, kurtzi. For the alleged bombing of Dresden, we have
> >1) Wildly differing estimates for the numbers of victims
> > (from 25,000 to 500,000).
> >2) Absurd “testimonies” (people “melting into puddles of
> > melted flesh”, or turning into “a fine layer of ash”
> > although the fire didn’t touch them, etc).
> And of course the physical evidence of Dresden does not require
one bit of
> personal testimony. However, for the steaming alive stories that is all there
> is to support the yiddish holocaust.
WHAT physical evidence? You ahve presented none. You have
described none.
> >So, according to “revisionist logic”, there was no bombing of
> >Dresden. Why don’t you just give it up?
> No one cares about whether or not Dresden occurs. No one is
called a
> Churchillian for denying Dresden. It is no more important than whether or not
> Jews were gassed.
>
> Get that through your little skull.
Get soemthing through your thick skull, criminal, the question is the
methodology you espouse. It sucks. You lie and fabricate and when those lies
and fabrication s are exposed, you open your vile mouth and violate every
principle of civilization.
You are a stinking, lying coward.
But you knew that . . . .
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> > I think what Mr. Edeiken is saying is that if you want to read the reports,
> > find them yourself. He is not about to do your research for you.
> I have just heard from Mr. E. in full, but thank you for your instructional
comments.
> However, I think I will have a difficult time finding reports which don’t seem to
exist.
Actually that is *exactly* what you have been told to do. The question
is — where have you looked?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > What you are, apparently, asking for is not the “reports” — you have
> > read them, his findings were contained in a single written report — but Larson’s
> > raw notes. I have no idea whether they were saved. Many forensic
pathologists
> > destroy them after a final report — the document you have — is prepared. I do
not
> > consider raw notes all that valuable especially when the conditions under
which
> > Larson worked are considered. The chemical tests, fow example, were not
> > reported to him until weeks after the p.m.s were performed. What I consider
> > valuable is Larson’s medical opinion. I know of no court that would not allow
him
> > to testify as to that.
> Well, all of this notwithstanding, I do not accept the man’s opinion without the
actual
> results of the tests so I can make a valid comparison. As far as I am concerned,
if
> I were on a jury, I would not be impressed by any “experts” opinion, unless it was
> fully substantiated by independent forensic medical records. Considering the
gravity
> of the charges here, I can accept no less.
If you expressed such an opinion, you would never get to sit on a jury. In
my limited experience (I specialize in medical malpractice where such testimony is
required by law) the juries listen quite attentively when a medical expert gives his
opinion. I have found it virtually useless to attack an expert using the method you
propose.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > The conclusions of the report have been posted. You are just too
lazy to
> > look up the report for yourself.
> I think this issue has already been addressed elsewhere. Nothing BUT the
original
> autopsies as well as the toxocological tests will suffice.
Then why have you not looked them up?
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: KREIBERG THE ‘HUMANIST’
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> [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> Yes it was a fatal error in the first place to turn e.g. the Scandinavian
> countries into multi-ethnic societies. Multiethnic societies do not work
> and multiracialism sucks. Just take a look around in the world. Does
> places like Cypruss, Sri Lanka, Sudan Israel/Palestine etc. ring a bell?
The U.S.? Great Britain? Australia? Canada?
> > From: [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg)
> > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:58:14 +0100
> >Danish citizens would of course not be deported. However some
> >people will lose their Danish citizenship because they no longer
> >qualify ethnically. Having lost their citizenship and not been
> >granted a residence permit they will have their status changed to
> >illegal aliens and then treated accordingly.
> > From: [email protected] (Ole Kreiberg)
> > Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:09:43 +0100
> >Nonsens. However, these camps are supposed to inspire it’s inmates
> >to leave the country as quick as possible. Therefore they should of
> >course not be too attractive.
> This quotes have been taken out of their original context and have got a
> new meaning. All the moderating factors have been omitted.
Bullshit, nazi-boy. They expose you for what you are.
–YFE
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From: [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Julius Streicher – PORNOGRAPHER
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> [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> > Streicher was expelled from his party posts in 1940 because he was seen
> > as an embarassment; most of the higher ups also wanted to supress Der
> > Stuemer, but Hitler personally intervened and allowed Streicher to
> > continue publication. Why’d he do that, Mr. Belling?
> That isn’t the point, Mr. Anderson.
It certainly is.
> He had been publishing the Stuermer since the
> 1920’s. I can’t answer for Hitler, but it would seem to make sense that Hitler
merely
> let him continue with his “beloved hobby”, where no one of any substance
would
> take him seriously, and where he would cause the least embarrassment. If his
paper
> had any significant distribution or if influential people took his publication
seriously,
> it may have become an embarrassment, and Hitler probably would have
banned
> that as well.
Since Hitler is known to have read Der Stuermer regularly and to have
commented on its articles, you seem to be stating that Hilter and his coterie was
not numbered among the “influential people” of the Third Reich.
–YFE
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Subject: Re: What is a “goyim”
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> The statement was, “A “goyim” is a non-Jew”.
> Your reply was “Wrong”.
He was correct. You were wrong.
> When challenged to “right” the definition, you come back with a
> plurilization reply, not part of the exchange.
No. he told you one reason why you were wrong.
> Mr.Anderson will always give it his ‘best’.
And you, on the other hand, are an illiterate idiot unable to comprehend
you own language and its proper usage.
–YFE
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