Derek Bell writes:
> [email protected]
> —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—–
>
>
>>>>
You also forgot to mention that my posts are
obviously getting to you. Not to fear-more are on the
way.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:02:09 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
Date: 25 Oct 1996 14:34:11 GMT
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> Chuck Ferree <[email protected]> writes:
> Chuck Ferree wrote:
>
> Don’t have anything to do with it. If you do date it, let me go along as
> a shot-gun guard. It’s afraid of me, and knows I will get it for certain
> given half a chance.
>
> Chuck Ferree
> >
> > d.A.
>
>>>>
Chuckle chuckle.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:02:10 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
> writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] writes:
> :>> > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> :>
> :>> > You¹ve posted nothing which has not already been soundly refuted.
> :>
> :>> Daydream believer…….
> :>
> :> Realist.
>
> Note that the witty and urbane Mr. “Blackmore” is now reduced to quoting old
> Monkees songs.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Funny that you recognize them……
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:52:19 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
Date: 25 Oct 1996 14:31:05 GMT
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Ken Lewis) wrote:
>
> > On 23 Oct 1996 02:55:27 GMT, [email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:
>
> > >Ganz einverstanden. Sollte es dann heissen, dass es sich hier um einen
> > >ehrlichen Menschen nicht handelt? Mein Gott, das Leben ist traurig!
> > >Merkwuerdig sich daran zu erinnern, dass unser “Freund” behauptet hat,
> dass er
> > >Deutsch kann. Ich befrage mich warum er seine Meinung nicht ausdrueckt.
> >
> >
> > You expect us all to read this Gord? Hell, it maight as well be written in
> > German.
>
> Obviously Mr. McFee has forgotten the first rule of posting in German. It
> has to be in Portuguese.
>
> ——————-
> … war begins, I believe, in our hearts. And that is where it must end.
> (Hunthausen)
>
>>>>
In any event, the message wasn’t meant for you-it was
meant for me.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:52:20 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
Date: 25 Oct 1996 14:35:52 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>
> > > You¹ve posted nothing which has not already been soundly refuted.
>
> > Daydream believer…….
>
> Realist.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Liar, or is that “lawyer”? No difference.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:52:21 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: GERMANY MUST LIVE or perish?Re: “Der Stuermer”-Hitler’s Favorite Mag?
Date: 25 Oct 1996 14:41:47 GMT
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> : > [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
>
> : > You have no credibility up to this point. the answer is no.
>
> : Is your name Annie?
>
> Let me ask you something, Mr. Belling–why is it that when you
> deniers and antisemites are cornered on something, you so often
> use this little trick of pretending that you’re involved in a private
> conversation, in which nobody else is allowed to participate?
>
> That ain’t the way usenet works, Mr. Belling.
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
It doesn’t work the way you want it to either.
Of course you have evidence I am an anti-Semite
don’t you? Oh. You don’t? You just say it
because you think it makes you look good and
makes me look bad, is that it? Sure, it is……
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:52:21 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
Date: 25 Oct 1996 14:38:12 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) wrote:
>
> >[email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:
> >
> >>:>They have no further evidence.
> >
> >>Bullshit. Former SS admitted that a Sonderaktion was a codeword for killing.
> >>Eichmann admitted it; I would assume he would know. Franz Suchomel admitted
> >>it–he was an SS guard.
> >
> >Oh yeah, Franz Suchomel; gave another “come-lately” interview on some Jewish documentary.
> >He said special action meant “gassing.”
>
> Eichmann explained this also in much the same way. How many other
> Nazis understood this term to mean killing? Höss also.
>
> > And other SS guards said the word didn’t mean
> >gassing.
>
> Mr. Stele will present this testimony for us I am sure.
>
> > Once again, another inconclusive contradiction. Once again, no physical
> >evidence to resolve it. That speaks volumes.
> >
>
> No contradiction has been presented by Mr. Stele.
>
>
>
>>>>
No physical evidence has been presented by you.
rb
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:52:22 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] (Hilary
> Ostrov)Sat, 19 Oct 1996 05:51:05 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>In <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gord McFee)
> :>wrote:
> :>
> :>>In message <[email protected]> –
> :>>[email protected] (Gregory Taylor)17 Oct 1996 02:21:51 GMT
> :>>writes:
> :>>:>
> :>>:>Let’s see – a recently vanished denier who starts out civil and then
> :>>:>slips into snotty ad hominems as time goes on. It’s so difficult to
> :>>:>place when the reminders aren’t physical traits (like an arm which keeps
> :>>:>going Dr. Strangelove straight, that teensy mustache, some telltale
> :>>:>typing problem, a hair lick which just *won’t* stay in place, etc.).
> :>
> :>>Sort of reminds you of a currently posting denier who started out civil and
> :>>then slipped into snotty ad hominems, doesn’t it? 🙂
> :>
> :>Well, I’ve been away for a while and I see that the Prodigal Poster
> :>has returned once more to grace us with yet another platitudinous
> :>pontification … If memory serves me correctly, he too started out
> :>civil (with each of his grand entrances) and lapsed into not only ad
> :>hominems but also ad feminems, leaving a trail of dangling threads
> :>behind him.
> :>
> :>Are we thinking of the same poster, Gord?!
>
> Yes, we are.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Take a look at yourself before you criticize anyone else.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:52:23 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
Date: 25 Oct 1996 14:51:16 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>
> > > > > [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> >
> > > > > You responded to a forged post from Matt Giwer.
>
> > > > Can’t you see we’re playing with you? Silly people.
>
> > >>I am simply not concerned with what Mr. Giwer does, unlike
> > you people, who appear to go into a frenzy whenever his name is
> > mentioned.
>
> At this point we are concerned with you. The clear implication of this
> statement goes beyond mere knowledge. It indicates that you were involved with
> the actual forgery. Your evasions do not help.
>
> –YFE
>
>>Paranoid nut.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:52:24 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
Date: 25 Oct 1996 14:53:27 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
>
> > > >Can’t you see we’re playing with you? Silly people.
>
> > > Pardon me? Are you saying that you were a party to forging my name and
> > > userid on posts to alt.revisionism?
>
> > Think whatever you like-you do anyway. Paranoid kook.
>
> It is hardly paranoid. He, like many of us, was a victim of a crime in
> which you now claim participation.
>
> > Fact is, I have NO ties to Mr. Giwer at all, nor do I care
> > what he does. That is your problem.
>
> Were you lying when you stated “we’re palying with you” or are you
> lying now?
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
You seem to be the expert at lying-you tell me.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:52:24 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Cremation Furnaces for ‘Bath Installations’?
Date: 25 Oct 1996 14:50:09 GMT
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, Jean-Francois Beaulieu <[email protected]> wrote:
[email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
The document in Prufer1.jpg and Prufer2.jpg, web page
https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/p/prufer.kurt/images/ ,
is interesting. It discusses (in item 2) the construction of
cremation furnaces at the “‘bath installations for
special operations'” (sonderaktionen), in Birkenau.
Why do bath installations require cremation furnaces? Any
“revisionist” out there willing to explain this?
I’ll check later this letter, but don’t be ridicoulous: he
state AT the bath installations, and kremas 4 and 5 were built
close to a preexisting steam bath building….
[snip]
Nice try, Mr. Beaulieu, but no cigar. Construction of the Zentral Sauna in
Birkenau did not BEGIN until June 1943. Krema IV became operational on
March 22, 1943, and Krema V on April 4, 1943. (Pressac, _Technique_,
pp.65,379.)
> >By my reckoning, Mr. Beaulieu, that means that people were already being
> >murdered in Kremas IV and V before the ground was even broke for the
> >construction of the Zentral Sauna.
> >
> >Oops. Another denier lie bites the dust….
> >
>
> He’s probably a better distortionist than Mr. “Blackmore” so maybe
> he’s worth watching as he grovels. The only unfortunate part is I do
> not have a copy of Pressac. It appears to be important in threads
> involving Beaulieu. This is what has basically kept me away. Since I’m
> an honest person, I can’t comment on something I do not have. But I’ll
> pay more attention here. Practically everyone else is killfiled.
>
> That includes all the Giwers.
>
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
You display your ignorance again. Multi-faceted ignorance
at that. These facilities all had shower/bath facilities, as
the people who worked near or in the cremation ovens handled
bodies all day, silly man. They also worked in autopsy rooms,
and with delousing, so “special operations” need not have
the sinister connotation you wish to assign to it.
“Your beliefs are your reality. If you don’t like the reality
you see, change your beliefs.”
Oops, another defender bites the dust.
rb
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:52:25 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
Date: 25 Oct 1996 15:01:20 GMT
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> [email protected] (Miloslav Bilik) writes:
>
>
> No evidence, uh ? if you’re not “ready”, I can understand that you
> believe it.
>
>
>
>
>>>>
Well, Sherlock, Hirt “disappeared”? According to other sources,
he committed suicide. In any event, it was a convenient disappearance.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:52:26 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story
Date: 25 Oct 1996 15:04:05 GMT
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 18 Oct 1996 12:04:02 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> >> On Sun, 13 Oct 1996 03:17:11 -0800, [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine)
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >Perhaps Herr Schwarzesel should try clicking his ruby shoes together while
> >> >saying “There’s no place like home!” Who knows, maybe he’ll end up in
> >> >Hitler’s bunker….
>
> >> Where he’d doubtless be so tickled he’d pee himself.
>
> >No, I’d aim in your direction.
>
> Thank you for confirming it. It is exactly the behavior I would expect from
> a lowlife, scumbag, Nazi apologist such as yourself, Herr Belling. However,
> I would not be in Hitler’s bunker. That is a privilege reserved for Nazi’s,
> Wannabees, and lowlife, scumbag, Nazi apologists such as yourself.
You are an imbecile. Just listen to yourself. Fool.
You insult me and you expect me to ignore your ignorance?
I
>
> Of course, perhaps you were speaking figuratively, in which case I suspect
> you’d still dribble down your leg.
And right into your mund.
>
>
>>>>
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:52:27 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Apology to Nizkor & Jamie M.
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >I don’t know if he reads them, but you ought to…Allied
> >torture—a matter of policy.
>
> Prove the policy, Mr. Blackmore.
>
> [Bouncing ball–his court.]
>
>
>
>
>>>>
Already done.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:40 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 09:10:37 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>
> :>> Once again Mr. Beaulieu, you have posted something which has nothing at all to
> :>> do with the thread of this discussion. Do you read your posts before you send
> :>> them?
>
> :>I don’t know if he reads them, but you ought to…Allied
> :>torture—a matter of policy.
>
> Nazi extermination of the Jews—a matter of policy.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
A matter of fraud.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:40 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel
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> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> > Big Deal? And, no, I do not believe that over
> > a million people died at Auschwitz and I will post why
> > eventually.
>
> OOOhhhhhh… I can’t WAIT!
>
> Sara
>
> —
> “I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy.”
> Samuel Butler
>
>
>>>>
Goodnight, Gracie.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:41 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another blackmore Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
>
> Thanks for commenting here that the Poles hung Goeth. I even
> understood that from the movie. Reitlinger also makes this clear. Like
> a previous incarnate who played games with mauve and ausrotten, this
> new incarnation is getting to look the fool also. Soon we’ll be
> blessed with another.
Who, you?
>
>
>
>>>>
I see no contradiction. The SS themselves arrested these men, along
with others like Grabner, and Hoess was under investigation
as well.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:42 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: blackmore: a Forger?
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> > > No I have never forged anybody’s name to a post.
>
> > > Now answer the question: were you involved.
>
> > > Any response but a direct answer will be taken as a positive
> response.
>
> > Take it however you like, you always do.
>
> Any way you want it, little boy. A complaint about your forgery to
> your ISP will shortly be filed.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>You better be able to prove I sent a forgery before
you make an ass out of yourself, which seems to be a habit
of yours….rather chronic I would say.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:42 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel
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> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> > We are discussing Auschwitz here, and I really
> > have made any definitive statement yet.
> > rb
>
> Hmmm… a little problem with grammar here?
>
> You really have NEVER made any definitive statements. Just a lot of nonsense.
>
> Sara
>
> —
> “I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy.”
> Samuel Butler
>
>
Goodnight, Gracie.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:43 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: 25 Oct 1996 15:14:59 GMT
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> [email protected] (Derek Bell) writes:
> —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—–
>
> [email protected] writes:
> >It is clear, our “Gandhi” is no Mahatma.
> >rb
>
> Looks like rblackmore has run out of arguments, so he’s reduced to
> insulting Rajiv – not that I’m surprised or anything.
>
> Derek
>
> —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—–
>
>
>>>>
Look who’s talking…..
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:44 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Apology to Nizkor & Jamie M.
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] (Mark
> Van Alstine) writes:
> :>
> :>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gord
> :>McFee) wrote:
>
> [deleted]
>
> :>> Nazi extermination of the Jews—a matter of policy.
> :>
> :>A self-admitted and well docmented matter of Nazi policy, lest we forget!
>
> Indeed. And honest people not only do not forget, they also don’t deny.
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
How can we deny what is untrue to begin with?
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:44 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 09:14:06 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> :>>
> :>..
> :>>
> :>> That’s all very nice Mr. Beaulieu, but it doesn’t disprove my statement one
> :>> little bit. I said that none of the defendants was tortured at Nuremberg and
> :>> this incident, which isn’t torture anyway, happened before Sauckel was
> :>> transferred to Nuremberg. Please try to keep up.
>
> :>Either way, Gordon, you are in error. There are many types of
> :>torture. Not only were some of these defendants tortured
> :>phsically, but psychologically as well.
>
> I see. Whether or not Mr. Beaulieu is correct, _I_ am in error. Whether or
> not the Nuremberg defendants ever claimed to be tortured, they were tortured.
> I understand.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
You’re making progress.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:45 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> >> [email protected] writes:
> >>
> >> >> This is the same writer who explicitly blamed Katyn on the Nazis?
> >> >> Very reliable source, obviously. Not to mention the moral idiocy
> >> >> of justifying genocide by the fact that some members of the group
> >> >> being annihilated choose to fight back.
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >The fighting started way before you suggest they
> >> >fought back…….
> >>
> >> When is that, exactly? How long do you think the Jews were
> >> obligated to wait before fighting back? Until after their
> >> extermination, perhaps?
> >>
> >Are you asking me or telling me?
>
> I’m asking you when “I” suggested they fought back. Are you having
> trouble with English?
>
>>>>
No. Are you having trouble with my question?
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:46 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Perhaps he’d prefer to be on Schindler’s list? Anyway, it
> >most certainly was NOT Reitlinger’s work which induced Piper
> >to alter the fraudulent figure of 4 million dead at Auschwitz, as
> >Reitlinger’s book was published decades before this lie was
> >finally admitted by Piper.
>
> Screamingly obvious non-sequitur.
>
>>>>
To your screamingly obvious crap.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:47 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 21 Oct 1996 09:01:54 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> >> On 14 Oct 1996 08:33:29 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> >It is not a lie. The monuments (plural) stated that
> >> >4 million human beings perished at Auschwitz. Don’t
>
> >> If you dd not lie, then why did you clearly state that the monuments said
> >> ‘Jews?’ And what do you call this statement of falsehood that you are on
> >> record as having said?
>
> >Though the monument did not refer explicity to Jews,
> >it is clear that the overwhelming majority of victims was
> >considered to be Jews, as the deaths of all other nationalities
> >were accounted for in other publications by Polish and
> >Auschwitz authorities. In either event, it is one and the
> >same LIE, and all the nit-picking in the world isn’t going to
> >help you.
>
> It is hardly nit-picking, Herr Belling. You told an untruth. You would not
> own up to having made it. It is not the irst time. Nor, I suspect will it be
> the last.
>
>
>>>>
And you have told 6 million untruths. When do you plan
to beg our forgiveness?
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:47 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>
> I would respect you more if you were to summon your not inconsiderable
> intellect and draw the appropriate conclusion from your own statements: you
> are a denier.
>
> Posted and e-mailed.
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Note that I answered this in detail in e-mail.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:48 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> >>
> >
> >.
> >>
> >> And tell me again how it is that a fraud case involving the invention
> >> of fake living relatives proves that the Nazis didn’t kill any Jews.
> >
> >Well, it certainly proves that they never killed those “Jews” doesn’t it?
>
> Well, duh.
>
> I take it, then, that you cannot “relate a few stories on that theme
> as well, like a Jewish man who was arrested and convicted for FRAUD
> for claiming dozens of faked dead relatives in order to scam the
> German government” as you claimed in your previous post.
>
> >If you can’t believe the messengers, how can you believe the
> >message?
>
> Oh dear, this is too harsh. I prefer to be more generous and say that
> you were mistaken in your belief that German government paid
> reparations for the lives of those killed by the Nazis.
>
> —
> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
You’d prefer to have 6 million dead too, it seems to me.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:49 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 14 Oct 1996 08:33:29 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> >It is not a lie. The monuments (plural) stated that
> >4 million human beings perished at Auschwitz. Don’t
>
> If you dd not lie, then why did you clearly state that the monuments said
> ‘Jews?’ And what do you call this statement of falsehood that you are on
> record as having said?
>
>>>>
What do you call this falsehood of 4 million
dead at Auschwitz? Whose falsehood is the greater?
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> No, it is a different lie, and all the squirming and evasion in the
> world isn’t going change the impression that you are talking through
> your hat.
>
> —
> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta
> —
>
>>>>
6 million lies, fake gas chambers, and you have the nerve to
call me on this tiny error. What hypocrisy. The day is
soon coming when the lie will be exposed completely and
you will have to find another fraud to defend.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:50 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> > > [email protected] writes:
> > >
> > > Blackmoron, are you completely nuts? Yale and everyone else
> > > have been telling you that 1) the 4 million figure is false
> > > (you’re beating a dead horse) and 2) the figure seems to have
> > > been disseminated by the Polish Communist government in an
> > > attempt to obscure the fact that the majority of victims were
> > > Jewish. Your quotes do nothing to change this. Read them.
> > > Where are Jews mentioned?
> > >
> > > Your victory-crowing with a quote which supports you not in the
> > > slightest is grotesque. What’s wrong with you, anyway?
> > >
> > >>>>
> > Apparently what’s wrong with you is worse than what is wrong
> > with me. Fool, my point was, how many of the 4,000,000 given
> > by the Polish Commission referred to non-Jews specifically? If
> > you break it down, you will see that the OVERWHELMING majority
> > of these faked figures were still claimed to be Jews.
> > Also, here is the figure given by the Jewish author Nathan Ausubel
> > in his widely disseminated book, “The Pictorial History of the Jewish people”
> > which went through more than 11 editions and repeated the same
> > lie over and over again:
> >
> > “…in Oswiecim and its subsidiary plants, almost 4,000,000 Jewish
> > lives were snuffed out.” Page 261.
>
> You¹re quoting a source printed in 1961, which is about 35 years ago, but
> of course, you know that. You also know that Holocaust historians do not
> subscribe to the figure of 4 million and have not for decades. You¹re
> beating a dead horse.
>
>
If I am, it is a horse which you and your fellow believers
drove to death years ago.
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mcurtis writes
I wonder if Mr. Blackmore would mind telling us the exact location of
this billboard?
No, he won’t. I wouldn’t want to deprive you of the
chance to call me a liar.
[snip]
Yes, if the figures and alleged murders were based upon fraud.
Millions of Germans were murdered after the war as well.
Based on authoritative documentation like someone’s alleged after-
diner speech at a Rotary Club.
Among others, yes. It is clear that it is you who is
the denier and hater.
It wasn’t alleged, and the Judge repeated these comments at
many other public funtions.
This doesn’t changed Mr. Power’s words, Mr. Balckmore.
His words are nonsense.
Explain–specifically–how the figure of four million dead (of
whatever ethnic group) at Auschwitz has been involved
with “significant amounts of money”. One specific, actual example.
Are you saying it hasn’t been used either to raise money or else elicit sympathy?
Prove to us that it has. This would be a starting point.
Nope. You know it has and others believe it as well.
>
> >I personally can and do sympathize with those who suffered, but I am
> >not in sympathy with those who use the sufferings of others for financial
> >gain or as propaganda.
>
> This must be why they are all labeled as liars by you.
If the shoe fits, wear it.
>
> >> That’s because you’re a moral imbecile, not to see the difference
> >> between an act of war and actions of extermination taken even at the
> >> cost of a war effort.
> >
> >Killing civilians is NOT an act of war. I repeat, killing civilians is
> >NOT an act of war. It is barbarism, but that you for showing us
> >the nature of your dual standards. What you condemn in one
> >you condone in another.
>
> I haven’t seen Mr. Power do what you accuse him of.
Then do some reading or ask him outright.
>
> >>
> >> Honesty is not among your motives.
> >
> >Thank you for telling me my motives. I must tell you yours sometime.
>
> You haven’t a clue, Mr. Blackmore. Otherwise you wouldn’t be here.
Oh? Indeed I am only too aware of your obvious motives.
>
>
>
>>>>
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:52 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: The Malady with Malmedy
Date: 25 Oct 1996 16:23:38 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>
>
> > Shirer is a far cry from an unnbiased historian. What I
> > posted is the result of the latest research. The facts
> > of this case are somewhat different from the old war
> > propaganda Shirer reguritates for the masses.
>
> Crap. The facts are that your nazi heroes lined up disarmed prisoners and
> machined-gunned them to death. When they had finished they went over the their
> victims and finished off the wounded. Only a few survived.
>
> This was the standard procedure for this rather brutal SS unit.
>
> You really *do* beleive all the lies the apologists for the nazis feed you, don’t
> you?
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
I don’t know why I even bother with you but
I will refer you to the latest book on this subject
which contradicts everything you write-and no,
it is noot a revisionist publication.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:53 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: MR. Blackmore Stomps his LITTLE feet was Mike Curtis’s “Gas Chambers”
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:
Or is there an underlying hatred, Mr. Blackmore? This discussion is
not really to get attention. (Well, maybe this is what you seek. It’s
what Matt Giwer and Kurt Stele seek. I thought you were more down to
earth than those creatures of wasted time.)
No, as a matter of fact, I’m a lover, not a fighter. My only criticism of
Ms. Bimko is that she lied under oath.
Which Mr. Blackmore have failed to provide proof of.
I believe I supplied more than enough proof. I turn the
matter over to the sentient browsers.
Is there an underlying hatred? Only of the lies some people tell under
oath, which may have led to the death sentence for people who did
not deserve it, as well as propagating the horrific lie that 4 million
Jews were gassed to death at Auschwitz.
This seems to be a distortion that Mr. Blackmore hopes to hoist on
this group since Mr. Blackmore chooses to continually repeat it. The
trouble is that no one believes Mr. Blackmore.
Who appointed you to speak for “everyone”, Mr. Curtis?
Mr. Blackmore once again demonstrates his lack of scholarity and civility.
And if I were to count how many times I have been insulted by you
and your colleagues, and post it, you would stand self- convicted of
being a hypocrite.
Such crude rhetoric can only emanate from a person
totally immersed in his hatred.
Odd definition you have of crude rhetoric……
Such crude rhetoric which you and your colleagues have
indulged in either together or separately proves that it is
YOU and your “friends” who are totally immersed in hatred.
Yet you have the shameless insolence to attempt to attribute
your faults to me. People can read for themselves the comments
made by you and such people as McVay, Van Alstine, Ken Lewis,
and Power.
Mr. Blackmore seems to think that I should be associated with other
members of this conference and should take the blame for what they do.
It seems that Mr. Blackmore should be looking at the history of Nazi
Germany and the subject of this discussion rather than bring in other
persons not involved in this discussion.
I wish you take your own advice more often, and I would
have to write less.
He has exposed nothing. He refuses to
understand the principle of convergence of evidence. He defends his
badly phrased statements, most of which are taken out of context.
Another lie and distortion, which people may test for themselves.
My purpose is not to quote out of context, but to post their
obvious lies.
Mr. Blackmore’s methods have indeed been demonstrated by this member
and others participating in this conference. Mr. Blackmore is indeed
correct that other persons can an will decide for themselves.
Good. That is what I have always wanted.
Mr. Blackmore hasn’t shown there to be much straw presented other than
the putrid straw he has presented as “evidence” to this conference.
If it is putrid it is putrid by the acts of the people you seek to
defend.
“Langsshnitt durch, eine Entlausungkammer mit
Degesch-Kreislanufanordnung”
signifies and why this unusual device is installed several times
in another section of the crematorium. Mr. Blackmore can’t
and won’t explain this.
Why is this unusual, in your opinion?
The question was put to you, Mr. Blackmore.
Now I am putting it to you and then I will give you
my opinion.
Yes. I will. Sections of Dachau were rebuilt AFTER the war.
Mr. Blackmore will not get off that easily on this point. He will
have to prove that the fumigation chambers on the Southern side of
the Dachau crematorium were built after the war. He cannot do this
because he has lied.
No, you have to prove that they were built before the war.
Or maybe during? Clue: There are two different kinds of crematorium at
Dachau. There difference is mighty interesting. But that is for you to
research. Answer the questions put to you, Mr. Blackmore. One gets the
feeling that this Mr. Blackmore really has no understanding and is
being fed information. It is possible that this is the reason he can’t
deal with the questions.
I am not being fed information by anyone.
He will also have to explain how the devices
mentioned above (which were built long before the war ended)
found themselves into the peculiar place that they are now
located.
The expression refers to a delousing area. What is so unusual
about that?
That’s one area. There is another you haven’t addressed.
And what you want to say is that this referred to a lethal gas chamber.
I don’t buy it.
This does not obscure the fact that the gas chamber exists to this
date and that photographs and motion pictures taken when the camp fell
in 1945 show this chamber much the same as it is now.
Right. The Germans supposedly completed this “gas chamber”
in late 1944! When they KNEW the war was lost and that the
allies would soon overrun the camp. This makes absolutely NO
sense, as the Nazis, according to another post here, had already
begun disassembling the camp by the time the Americans
arrived. Obviously, if they were to disassemble anything-it
would have been the “gas chamber”. That this was not done
suggests that it was indeed NOT a lethal gas chamber.
The only “fact” that exists is that Dachau possessed delousing chambers
and crematoria, just like every other KZ.
We were discussing the gas chamber there. Again Mr. Blackmore fails to address the issues with any
substance.
Let us hear you address it, Mr. Curtis.
2) Natzweiler was so obviously used as a gas chamber that there
is a document written by the Nazis:
Confirm this document is authentic. where did it come from, who found
it, was it signed, of so, by whom, and where is the wirtten response to
the inquiry or statement? Your “documents” are NOT documents until
proven so beyond the shadow of a doubt.
This sort of statement is expected from deniers
Yes. This is the sort of statement that all inquirers want to ask-
where is the proof? Mr. Curtis finds that unusual. I wonder why?
You are the one who is trapped, by the way.
Mr. Blackmore needs to keep reading before Mr. Blackmore puts his foot
into his keyboard.
, we will
refer sentient readers of this thread to peruse the following:
From:
> >>
_NAZI MASS MURDER_ Eugen Kogon et al. Editors
c. 1993, Yale University Press
[Pages 199-200]
(Statement presented by SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer Josef Kramer
presented in July 1945 to the investigating judge at the
Strasbourg Trial)
(snip)
I snipped the statement as it is irrelevant.
Ah, snipped proof and calls it irrelevant. How convenient for Mr.
Blackmore than he can change threads and edit posts.
Hundreds of people also
testified that they kissed the devil’s behind and made potions out
of eyes of newts and so on. People “confess” to crimes they never
commit quite frequently. Sometimes they “confess” under pressure
and coercion, as did Kramer, as his first statement, which WAS made
freely and without coercion, does not refer to any of the nonsense he
testified to later. Seeing that torture, intimidation, etc. was a matter of
policy for the allies, his statement and the statements of the others
are not credible. Indeed, when we examine them in detail, they sound
absurd and contrary to common logic.
The above addresses nothing but is just another example of Mr.
Blackmore stomping his little feet.
We will leave it for the browsers to decide.
FN79: “See n. 76, exhibit 1806/V/I. See also Nuremb. Doc.
807-NO, fols. 120ff. […] {See also} …exhibits 085-NO, 087-NO,
088-NO, 089-NO, 091-NO…[…] Other SS members testified to the
gassings (the head of the work allocation office in Natzweiler,
Nitsche, ibid. file no. 4, bundle 12, exhibit 2277) […]
Will Mr. Blackmore post evidence that the testimony and the documents
are false? No, he won’t, because he has lied.
I have responded to this-and I do not lie.
I see that Mr. Blackmore doesn’t address the information but stomps
his little feet a little faster.
And I am playing guitar as I do so.
[page 199 — Reference 2]
“On 26 September 1943 the construction department
of the Natzweiler camp, managed by the Waffen SS and
police, sent the following bil
[…] even if this particular chamber was a lethal one, which
you need to prove-there is nothing illegal in the State using this form
of execution for those condemned to death. we use gas chambers in
America for the same purpose. They are called “legal executions”.
AHA! The denier’s typical caveat. The victims were not killed by gas
but if they were killed by gas it was a legal execution! Mr.
Blackmore has reached unsuspected heights of dissimulation.
Poppycock. The Third Reich was the legitimate government in
Germany at the time.
Mr. Blackmore will of course present us with the sentences and the
trials for the crimes these folks committed. It is good to see that
Mr. Blackmore does admit that gas was used in Nazi Germany proper and
it seems Mr. Blackmore is willing to admit in the above paragraph that
gassing was done at Dachau.
I admitted no such thing. I said IF gas was used it would be
no different than a legal execution in the states. I also said you need
to prove it, which you have not done.
The truth, for concerned and sentient readers, is that these innocent
victims were selected in Auschwitz for a collection of skeletons that
> >> Dr. Hirt had been authorized to produce.
> >
> >I will deal with this at a later date, but please rest assured that Mr.
> >Curtis is not dealing with a full deck.
> >
>
> Insults seem to be the prefered method of argumentation for Mr.
> Blackmore.
The remark did not refer to you personally. Paranoid?
>
> > For the more curious and
> >> un-sqeamish, _The Struthof Album_ [New York: Beate Klarsfeld
> >> Foundation, 1985] will supplement, with both photographic and
> >> documentary evidence,
> >
> >Yes, photos taken from a School of Anatomy!
>
> Tell the people here about those photos, Mr. Blackmore.
They are what you would expect to see in any school for
Anatomy. Dissected cadavers.
>
> >
> >> Mr. Blackmore is reminded of the footnote on page 197 regarding the
> >> origins of the victims. There is, of course, nothing wrong in Mr.
> >> Blackmore’s eyes, with killing young Jewish women from Greece.
Come off it, Mike. That is going too far even for you.
> >
> >I have seen these photos and let me ask you who else besides these
> >alleged women from Greece were included?
>
> You did not address the source or the footnote, Mr. Blackmore.
You did not answer my question.
>
> >>
> >> > I think it rather foolish to construct a gas chamber
> >> >for only 80 odd people, when they could have simply been given
> >> >a phenol shot. Sounds like propaganda to me. And I have read
> >> >about the construction of this alleged “gas chamber”. If what I
> >> >read is indeed true then I denounce the accusation most emphatically.
> >>
> >> What Mr. Blackmore “thinks” lacks relevance. Unless he has proof
> >> to the contrary, his statements are worthless.
> >
> >The same applies to you. You have not met the burden of proof in
> >any case. And sometimes we need to look beyond what appearances
> >seem to be to get to the real truth.
>
> Mr. Blackmore stomps his little feet.
No, you have stomped YOUR little feet and curled your
little toes. Where is your proof?
What I have done may be beyond
> the call of duty when dealing with deniers. I have posted proof of the
> convergence of evidence.
Your circumstantial convergence of usually contrived
evidence is far less convincing than plain old good
common sense.
The reader has been able to get some idea as
> to the historical method. What they have received from Mr. Blackmore
> are out of context quotations and outright distortions. Then when
> confronted with the obvious Mr. Blackmore would rather insult and
> suggest rather than address the history by the historical method.
>
It is clear who does most of the insulting here-your
colleagues.
> >>
> >> Mr. Blackmore “denounces” and denies but offers no proof whatsoever
> >> to substantiate his odious allegations.
You accuse and defend and you offer no proof whatsoever to
substantiate your base accusations.
> >
> >I make no allegations other than that the “proofs” you rely upon
> >to prove your allegations are in many cases a fraud. That I have
> >proven time and time again. You are pedaling backwards.
> >
>
> Mr. Blackmore is still stomping in frustration. So all is a fraud.
I never said “all” did I? You just convicted yourself of
manipulating words: Look above: what I said was “many
cases of fraud”. And now browsers may see the liberties
you take with people’s statements.
The
> testimony presented from cited sources (including the very sources Mr.
> Blackmore chooses to use himself!) are all fraud.
Your words again.
Why is this? Because
> they are inconvenient and counter Mr. Blackmore’s distortions. This
> dear reader is what Mr. Blackmore is left with and is instructive to
> the “revisionist” method.
Well, you are becoming tiresome now.
>
> > His “sounds like propaganda to
> >> me” statement is nothing more than an admission that he cannot face
> >> the truth. More is the pity.
> >
> >No, it is an admission that it sounds like propaganda to me.
>
> Sounding like something does not make it so.
Neither does “looking like something”.
>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> To which we add the testimony of Josef Kramer:
> >> >
> >> >Yes. kramer was brutalized by his captors. Witches also testified
> >> >to making potions out of the eyes of newts and boiled down baby fat.
> >> >His testimony does you no good.
> >>
> >> It is easy to malign Kramer’s captors with a slanderous statement.
They maligned themselves by their actions.
> >
> >Right, Mike….the Germans were never mistreated, murdered, tormented,
> >brutalized, or threatened in any way….is that what you are saying….?
> > It is quite something else to prove that Kramer was brutalized.
> >
>
> Which you haven’t done so far. The Generalization that germans were
> brutalized does not specifically go to this case and the data
> available. I could claim that most of the survivors were brutalized.
> This is an obvious given, however.
Given from you, of course.
>
> >It is quite something else to prove your ridiculous and hateful accusations.
> >
> >> The
> >> testimony that Kramer presented was good enough to hang him.
> >
> >In other words, nil, as his sentence had been predetermined anyway.
> >
>
> Proof is something that Mr. Blackmore fails to provide.
He was hanged, wasn’t he?
>
> >> Furthermore, Kramer was not the only perpetrator that admitted to
> >> the gas chambers.
> >
> >Already went into this. He did NOT admit it until he was in “custody”
> >a while.
> >
> > Mr. Blackmore ought to read his _Belsen Trial_
> >> testimonies and interrogatories rather more closely.
> >
>
> [] = Mr. Blackmore stomps his little feet.
>
> >Don’t make suggestions that you do not adhere to yourself.
>
> []
>
> >
> >> How many
> >> people apart from Kramer saw the gas chambers according to the
> >> testimony in the book? Curious minds want to know.
> >>
> >> >And where are these orders?
> >>
> >> Mr. Blackmore is kindly referred to [FN79] above.
> >
> >In other words-there is no proof.
>
> Note that Mr. Blackmore ignores the evidence.
The evidence is not there. To you any accusation
is “evidence”.
>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 3) To end this small exercise in unmasking Mr. Blackmore’s deceit,
> >> >> we will go to Neuengamme.
> >> >
> >> >On the contrary, it is not my “deceit” which is unmasked, but your
> >> >low level of common sense, along with no proof to back up your
> >> >claims.
> >>
> >> Good grief! Mr. Blackmore offers no evidence whatsoever to back up
> >> his odious insinuations
> >
> >Good Grief! Where is your proof that there ever WAS a lethal
> >gas chamber at Neuengamme? Your accusations are sounding
> >more and more like the witch trials every day. You need PROOF,
> >Mr. Curtis……
>
> Good grief! Mr. Blackmore offers no evidence whatsoever to back up
> his odious insinuations
>
> >
> >. He is is obviously carrying out an exercise in
> >> Kafkian logic.
> >
> >I am carrying out an exercise in credibility-YOURS, specifically,
> >and you are not faring too well, I fear.
> >
>
> []
>
> > [Page 193 — Reference 2]
> >> >>
> >> >> “It has been proved that two gassing operations took place
> >> >> at the Neuengamme camp near Hamburg
> >> >
> >> >Who proved this? When? Where? How? Documentation?
> >>
> >> Does one hear the stamping of tiny feet once again?
No, one hears legitimate questions which you shirk
>from answering.
> >
> []
>
> >> Mr. Blackmore
> >> rattles off one question after another, but offers no proof to the
> >> contrary
Why don’t you try answering for a change?
> >
> >You rattle off one accusation after another with no proof to back it
> >up other than quotes out of context and witnesses who either lied
> >out of malice or lied because they were mistreated. Hardly convincing.
> >
>
> []
>
> >> Even the more ‘rational’ deniers do better than that. For
> >> those readers who are more in control of their faculties, a visit to
> >> [FN69, page 193] of _Nazi Mass Murder_ is suggested.
> >
> >Yes, the same reference you criticized when I cited it to prove
> >that Goering’s mandate to Heydrich had nothing to do with killing
> >people. Caught in your own web again.
>
> []
>
> >> >
> >> > Soviet prisoners of war from Fallingbostel POW camp in the
> >> >> Luneberg Heath were brought to Neuengamme, and were
> >> >> killed as soon as they arrived.
> >>
> >> >Proof?
> >>
> >> More anguished, whimpering demands for “proof.” It is apparent
> >> that Mr. Blackmore is incapable of looking up references without
> >> being led by the hand: Once again, gently, FN69, page 193, of
> >> _Nazi Mass Murder_.
More anguished and whimpering refusals to provide any proof-well-
what more proof do people need that your stories are frauds?
> >
> >Yes, Mike, they transported these men from Luneberg to “gas” them in
> >a facility that had no gas chamber, but used a bunker instead. Very
> >credible, Mike.
>
> Mr. Blackmore is urged to read on before sticking his foot into his
> keyboard.
>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> “In Neuengamme there were no gas chambers, properly speaking.
> >> >> What was known as the ‘bunker’ was used:
> >> >
> >> >So, they were “gassed” in a bunker?
> >>
> >> One must be careful when Mr. Blackmore truncates a posted statement.
> >> This originally read:
> >>
> >> [*deleted text*]
> >>
> >> >> “In Neuengamme there were no gas chambers, properly speaking.
> >> >> What was known as the ‘bunker’ was used: *it served as the camp
> >> >> prison, and it was here that executions usually took place*.[…]”
> >
> >
> >Oh…executions. Of course you can tell us the names of these men and
> >why they were executed. Could it be for the same reason that 90,000
> >Germans taken prisoner at Stalingrad by the humane Soviets
> >NEVER returned home?
>
> Again Mr. Blackmore present prrof of his unwillingness to do his own
> research. This is a typical response when a denier is cornered. They
> also attempt to shift the argument to another subject.
Which he again avoids answering…….
>
> >>
> >> The statement is quite clear. The prisoners were gassed in the camp
> >> prison which was called “the bunker.” Can Mr. Blackmore prove
> >> otherwise?
You need to prove that this happened. You must establish
that this specific crime was committed. We are not
interested in accusations or affadavits or confessions
elicited by torture, which is all you can present. Do
you wonder why I refer to this as a modern day witch
hunt. You use the same criteria to establish your claims.
This is not Nuremberg. here we ARE bound by “technical
rules of evidence” and I challenge you to comply with it-
but you won’t because you can’t.
> >
> >So, that is your “proof”-an ALLEGATION which you believe in religiously.
>
> []
>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >. It was made gastight and new doors installed, along with
> >> >> a system of heating pipes that served for distributing the gas
> >> >> and
> >> >> for ventilation. […]”
> >
> >Sounds like a delousing chamber to me.
> >> >
> >> >And you have these orders for construction, which prove this
> >> >was a facility to kill human beings?
> >>
> >> Those who doubt the previous statements are invited to visit [FN70]
> >> on page 271 of _Nazi Mass Murder_.
That is not proof.
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Reference 1:
> >> >>
> >> >> _AUSCHWITZ: 1270 to the Present_
> >> >>
> >> >Have it. Rehashes the SOS.
> >>
> >> Mr. Blackmore does not appear to have this book in spite of his
> >> protestations.
> >
> >I do indeed own the book, but I lent it out to someone. Perhaps you
> >will post their interpretation of this dubious passage?
> >
>
> LOL! (Sorry, I couldn’t help it! Mr. Blackmore has loaned it.)
Of course everyone KNEW this would be your reply.
>
> > If he had the book he could easily explain what:
> >>
> >> “Langsshnitt durch, eine Entlausungkammer mit
> >> Degesch-Kreislanufanordnung”
> >>
> >> signifies and why it is relevant to Dachau. He can’t, he won’t, and
> >> the world is laughing at him.
> >
> >
> >On the contrary, the world is laughing at you. Can’t you hear them?
>
> Just a minute. Mr. Blackmore will have to wait until I stop laughing.
At yourself?
>
> > Reference 2:
> >> >>
> >> >> _NAZI MASS MURDER_
> >> >> Eugen Kogon, Hermann Langbein & Adalbert Ruckerl, Editors
> >> >>
> >> >Have it and you criticized when I quoted from it
> >> >regarding Goering and the “Final Solution”, but now you run into
> >> >their arms to support your unsupportable contentions.
> >>
> >> Mr. Blackmore must surely be jesting. Who precisely does he
> >> accuse of running into the arms of the editors of the book? The
> >> subject at hand deals with the gas chambers and the quality of the
> >> testimony in the _Belsen Trial._
> >
> >All right. Then I will refer you and the sentient readers to chapter
> >8 in Kogons “Mass Murder”. I refer you specifically to the section
> >on Dachau, pages 202-204 for yet another example of historical
> >bunk.
> >
>
> Mr. Blackmore is urged to tell us about it. I’m quite tired of doing
> all the work.
Later I will get into it. You claim to have the book?
>
> >
> >> Mr. Blackmore cannot answer why many, many
> >> perpetrators, witnesses, victims, and those who built gas chambers
> >> have testified as to their existence
Yes I can. they were either mistaken or they lied. Do
not underestimate the significance of rumors in the camps.
. Does he imply that everyone was
> >> tortured? Does he imply that millions of documents have been
> >> falsified? If so, he must present proof of a different sort than just
> >> a simple snit-fit. By not posting his evidence he admits to acts of
> >> obfuscation and deceit
No, I say that many were tortured, even killed. Most particulary
those who could shed the most light on this dark subject. I have
no idea how many documents have been falsified, but I would imagine
many-and not only documents, but photographs and films as well..
> >
> >
> >You have not admitted even ONCE that ANY of the testimony
> >quoted was perhaps, shall I say…..fabricated?
>
> Why should I begin to lie as Mr. Blackmore is most willing to do?
You have been lying just fine up to now.
>
> > The fact that you
> >have not done so proves that it is you who is without hope. Your
> >credibility is very low, as you believe as a matter of implicit FAITH,
> >out of conviction, rather than what reason tells or ought to tell you.
> >
>
> I am, of course, crushed that I am such a hopeless case for Mr.
> Blackmore. His frustrated efforts to overcome his distortions end up
> here with an attack on my character and convictions.
Thank you confirming what I wrote about this being a
matter of faith and conviction for you.
>
>
>
>>>>
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Subject: Re: Photograph: Rascher’s Letter Concerning the Dachau Gas Chamber
Date: 25 Oct 1996 16:29:33 GMT
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[email protected] (John Morris) writes:
In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
Rascher continued for some time afterwards reporting the results of
experiments involved putting his subjects in a depressurized chamber
to see when they would die, and, immersing his subjects in
near-freezing water to see when they would die.
I am not sure whether the details are correct, but these experiments were
conducted with the purpose in mind of saving human lives. The subjects
were either criminals condemned to death or volunteers, I believe.
>
>
> >As a matter of fact, Rascher WAS arrested by the SS,
> >imprisoned in Dachau, and executed.
>
>
> Yes, Rascher was arrested and presumed executed by the SS.
He was executed.
>
> But was he arrested for the proposal to establish a gas chamber at
> Dachau? Was he arrested for human experimentation?
No, for the simple fact that there was no lethal gas chamber
built at Dachau. And even if he suggested it, which I doubt,
this is not reason to execute him. The experiments, I believe,
were conducted in cooperation with the armed forces on
criminals who volunteered. I know you will correct me if
I am mistaken.
>
> In fact, Himmler’s office encouraged Rascher’s experiments.
The air force experiments? Yes, that seems to be the case.
>
> Why don’t you surprise us all by telling us what Rascher *was*
> arrested for?
Kidnapping, and I know it is no surprise to you.
>
> —
> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta
> —
>
>>>>
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[email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
[email protected] writes:
[email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
Learn something, little boy. You wer caught in a lie
No, Mr. E., unlike you, I do not lie.
You cliamed there were stomn pillars that referred to 4,000,000 “Jews”
that were “gassed” at Auschwitz.
While that might have been a mistake you addition was not. You
claimed that the photographs of those pillars was in front of you as you wrote.
That was an outright lie.
>
> > . Now you are
> > trying to squirm out of it.
>
> > There is nothing to squirm out of. You defend the lie, I deny it.
>
> No. You have been cought several times in outright lies. zYour defense
> seems to be repeated smoke screens, ad hominem attacks, and out right lies.
>
>
>
> > No, I wasn’t involved in forgeries. What are you talking about anyway?
> > Giwers Moshe Posts? I have better things to do with my time.
>
> A typical blackmore response. Now try my question. Over 100 posts
> were forged with the names of various people including but not limited to (besides
> myself) McVay, Gandhi, Keren, Morris, and Morrison. When someone protested
> this obviously improper act your response was: “WE were just playing with you.”
> (emphasis added). You were asked to clarify that statement. You refused to
> respond. Now you are pretending that you don’t know what posts YOU
> referenced.
>
> A rather shoddy and dishonest performance.
To the above: an emphatic NO-I did not forge any of those posts.
. And you would be able to
research it easily enough. You have caught giwer’s rather
clumsy attempts at forgery rather quickly in the past, so I suspect
you already know I had nothing to do with those posts.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Photos were in front of me but I was unable to read the
inscriptions, so I had to hunt for an article with a photo
which showed the inscription. This I found later. I did
not lie.
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This is my response to Mike Cutris, re:, the following:
Re: Rosa Lopez vs Ada Bimko-Bimbo and Dumbo
Cute. Mr. Blackmore now resorts to deriding the witnesses by calling them names. Does this show that Mr.
Blackmore is a
misogynist? Or is there a greater underlying hatred?
Did that get your attention? Good, it was meant to. Am I a misogynist?
No, as a matter of fact, I’m a lover, not a fighter. My only criticism of
Ms. Bimko is that she lied under oath.
Is there an underlying hatred? Only of the lies some people tell under
oath, which may have led to the death sentence for people who did
not deserve it, as well as propagating the horrific lie that 4 million
Jews were gassed to death at Auschwitz.
Mr. Blackmore once again demonstrates his lack of scholarity and civility.
And if I were to count how many times I have been insulted by you
and your colleagues, and post it, you would stand self- convicted of
being a hypocrite.
Such crude rhetoric can only emanate from a person
totally immersed in his hatred.
Such crude rhetoric which you and your colleagues have
indulged in either together or separately proves that it is
YOU and your “friends” who are totally immersed in hatred.
Yet you have the shameless insolence to attempt to attribute
your faults to me. People can read for themselves the comments
made by you and such people as McVay, Van Alstine, Ken Lewis,
and Power.
He has exposed nothing. He refuses to
understand the principle of convergence of evidence. He defends his
badly phrased statements, most of which are taken out of context.
Another lie and distortion, which people may test for themselves.
My purpose is not to quote out of context, but to post their
obvious lies.
He ignores documentation by claiming that original source documents
are forged. In brief, he relies on typical denier tactics.
What I am doing is FORCING you to prove your heinous allegations.
And you and your friends are finding that providing acceptable proof
is not as easy as making accusations. The hysteria engendered
by the Second World War has now abated, and historians are
beginning to re-examine the issues in a less bigoted fashion. As
your version of the Holocaust rests upon a foundation of straw,
it was bound to be questioned at some point in time anyway.
Subject: Re: Dr. Leo Lies like a Rug
From: [email protected]
[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
rblackmore writes:
No. You are deluded, and You are deluding people.
Thesecamps had NO gas chambers.
Mr. Blackmore can yell “NO” until he is blue in the face, but the
sentient reader of these lines will not ignore the evidence:
Your “evidence” is not evidence. What I require from you is a
source for what you posted. Knowing you as I do, I suspect that
you have again distorted the facts.
>
> He has been asked to explain what:
>
> >>
> >> [Page 222 — Reference 1]
> >>
> >> “Langsshnitt durch, eine Entlausungkammer mit
> >> Degesch-Kreislanufanordnung”
> >>
> >> signifies and why this unusual device is installed several times
> >> in another section of the crematorium. Mr. Blackmore can’t
> >> and won’t explain this.
Why is this unusual, in your opinion?
> >
> >Yes. I will. Sections of Dachau were rebuilt AFTER the war.
>
> Mr. Blackmore will not get off that easily on this point. He will
> have to prove that the fumigation chambers on the Southern side of
> the Dachau crematorium were built after the war. He cannot do this
> because he has lied.
No, you have to prove that they were built before the war.
He will also have to explain how the devices
> mentioned above (which were built long before the war ended)
> found themselves into the peculiar place that they are now
> located.
The expression refers to a delousing area. What is so unusual
about that?
>
>
.
> This does not obscure the fact that the gas chamber exists to this
> date and that photographs and motion pictures taken when the camp fell
> in 1945 show this chamber much the same as it is now.
The only “fact” that exists is that Dachau possessed delousing chambers
and crematoria, just like every other KZ.
>
> >>
> >> 2) Natzweiler was so obviously used as a gas chamber that there
> >> is a document written by the Nazis:
> >
> >Confirm this document is authentic. where did it come from, who found
> >it, was it signed, of so, by whom, and where is the wirtten response to
> >the inquiry or statement? Your “documents” are NOT documents until
> >proven so beyond the shadow of a doubt.
>
> This sort of statement is expected from deniers
Yes. This is the sort of statement that all inquirers want to ask-
where is the proof? Mr. Curtis finds that unusual. I wonder why?
You are the one who is trapped, by the way.
, we will
> refer sentient readers of this thread to peruse the following:
>
> From:
>
> _NAZI MASS MURDER_
> Eugen Kogon et al. Editors
> c. 1993, Yale University Press
>
> [Pages 199-200]
>
> (Statement presented by SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer Josef Kramer
> presented in July 1945 to the investigating judge at the
> Strasbourg Trial)
>
(snip)
I snipped the statement as it is irrelevant. Hundreds of people also
testified that they kissed the devil’s behind and made potions out
of eyes of newts and so on. People “confess” to crimes they never
commit quite frequently. Sometimes they “confess” under pressure
and coercion, as did Kramer, as his first statement, which WAS made
freely and without coercion, does not refer to any of the nonsense he
testified to later. Seeing that torture, intimidation, etc. was a matter of
policy for the allies, his statement and the statements of the others
are not credible. Indeed, when we examine them in detail, they sound
absurd and contrary to common logic.
>
> FN79: “See n. 76, exhibit 1806/V/I. See also Nuremb. Doc.
> 807-NO, fols. 120ff. […] {See also} …exhibits 085-NO, 087-NO,
> 088-NO, 089-NO, 091-NO…[…] Other SS members testified to the
> gassings (the head of the work allocation office in Natzweiler,
> Nitsche, ibid. file no. 4, bundle 12, exhibit 2277) […]
>
> Will Mr. Blackmore post evidence that the testimony and the documents
> are false? No, he won’t, because he has lied.
I have responded to this-and I do not lie.
>
> >>
> >> [page 199 — Reference 2]
> >>
> >> “On 26 September 1943 the construction department
> >> of the Natzweiler camp, managed by the Waffen SS and
> >> police, sent the following bil
>
>
> >[…] even if this particular chamber was a lethal one, which
> >you need to prove-there is nothing illegal in the State using this form
> >of execution for those condemned to death. we use gas chambers in
> >America for the same purpose. They are called “legal executions”.
>
> AHA! The denier’s typical caveat. The victims were not killed by gas
> but if they were killed by gas it was a legal execution! Mr.
> Blackmore has reached unsuspected heights of dissimulation.
Poppycock. The Third Reich was the legitimate government in
Germany at the time. If sentences of death were passed and
carried out, then the forms of legality were maintained. What I
wrote is true and embarassing to you, but you are left with it
nonetheless, and your frantic attempts to justify your impossible
position only confirm your uneasiness in dealing with this subject.
When you try to defend an untenable position, you will invariably
run into problems.
The
> truth, for concerned and sentient readers, is that these innocent
> victims were selected in Auschwitz for a collection of skeletons that
> Dr. Hirt had been authorized to produce.
I will deal with this at a later date, but please rest assured that Mr.
Curtis is not dealing with a full deck.
For the more curious and
> un-sqeamish, _The Struthof Album_ [New York: Beate Klarsfeld
> Foundation, 1985] will supplement, with both photographic and
> documentary evidence,
Yes, photos taken from a School of Anatomy!
> Mr. Blackmore is reminded of the footnote on page 197 regarding the
> origins of the victims. There is, of course, nothing wrong in Mr.
> Blackmore’s eyes, with killing young Jewish women from Greece.
I have seen these photos and let me ask you who else besides these
alleged women from Greece were included?
>
> > I think it rather foolish to construct a gas chamber
> >for only 80 odd people, when they could have simply been given
> >a phenol shot. Sounds like propaganda to me. And I have read
> >about the construction of this alleged “gas chamber”. If what I
> >read is indeed true then I denounce the accusation most emphatically.
>
> What Mr. Blackmore “thinks” lacks relevance. Unless he has proof
> to the contrary, his statements are worthless.
The same applies to you. You have not met the burden of proof in
any case. And sometimes we need to look beyond what appearances
seem to be to get to the real truth.
>
> Mr. Blackmore “denounces” and denies but offers no proof whatsoever
> to substantiate his odious allegations.
I make no allegations other than that the “proofs” you rely upon
to prove your allegations are in many cases a fraud. That I have
proven time and time again. You are pedaling backwards.
His “sounds like propaganda to
> me” statement is nothing more than an admission that he cannot face
> the truth. More is the pity.
No, it is an admission that it sounds like propaganda to me.
>
> >>
> >> To which we add the testimony of Josef Kramer:
> >
> >Yes. kramer was brutalized by his captors. Witches also testified
> >to making potions out of the eyes of newts and boiled down baby fat.
> >His testimony does you no good.
>
> It is easy to malign Kramer’s captors with a slanderous statement.
Right, Mike….the Germans were never mistreated, murdered, tormented,
brutalized, or threatened in any way….is that what you are saying….?
It
> is quite something else to prove that Kramer was brutalized.
It is quite something else to prove your ridiculous and hateful accusations.
The
> testimony that Kramer presented was good enough to hang him.
In other words, nil, as his sentence had been predetermined anyway.
> Furthermore, Kramer was not the only perpetrator that admitted to
> the gas chambers.
Already went into this. He did NOT admit it until he was in “custody”
a while.
Mr. Blackmore ought to read his _Belsen Trial_
> testimonies and interrogatories rather more closely.
Don’t make suggestions that you do not adhere to yourself.
How many
> people apart from Kramer saw the gas chambers according to the
> testimony in the book? Curious minds want to know.
>
> >And where are these orders?
>
> Mr. Blackmore is kindly referred to [FN79] above.
In other words-there is no proof.
>
> >>
> >> 3) To end this small exercise in unmasking Mr. Blackmore’s deceit,
> >> we will go to Neuengamme.
> >
> >On the contrary, it is not my “deceit” which is unmasked, but your
> >low level of common sense, along with no proof to back up your
> >claims.
>
> Good grief! Mr. Blackmore offers no evidence whatsoever to back up
> his odious insinuations
Good Grief! Where is your proof that there ever WAS a lethal
gas chamber at Neuengamme? Your accusations are sounding
more and more like the witch trials every day. You need PROOF,
Mr. Curtis……
. He is is obviously carrying out an exercise in
> Kafkian logic.
I am carrying out an exercise in credibility-YOURS, specifically,
and you are not faring too well, I fear.
[Page 193 — Reference 2]
> >>
> >> “It has been proved that two gassing operations took place
> >> at the Neuengamme camp near Hamburg
> >
> >Who proved this? When? Where? How? Documentation?
>
> Does one hear the stamping of tiny feet once again?
Yes, yours……at not being able to prove your heinous contentions.
Mr. Blackmore
> rattles off one question after another, but offers no proof to the
> contrary
You rattle off one accusation after another with no proof to back it
up other than quotes out of context and witnesses who either lied
out of malice or lied because they were mistreated. Hardly convincing.
. Even the more ‘rational’ deniers do better than that. For
> those readers who are more in control of their faculties, a visit to
> [FN69, page 193] of _Nazi Mass Murder_ is suggested.
Yes, the same reference you criticized when I cited it to prove
that Goering’s mandate to Heydrich had nothing to do with killing
people. Caught in your own web again.
> >
> > Soviet prisoners of war from Fallingbostel POW camp in the
> >> Luneberg Heath were brought to Neuengamme, and were
> >> killed as soon as they arrived.
>
> >Proof?
>
> More anguished, whimpering demands for “proof.” It is apparent
> that Mr. Blackmore is incapable of looking up references without
> being led by the hand: Once again, gently, FN69, page 193, of
> _Nazi Mass Murder_.
Yes, Mike, they transported these men from Luneberg to “gas” them in
a facility that had no gas chamber, but used a bunker instead. Very
credible, Mike.
>
> >>
> >> “In Neuengamme there were no gas chambers, properly speaking.
> >> What was known as the ‘bunker’ was used:
> >
> >So, they were “gassed” in a bunker?
>
> One must be careful when Mr. Blackmore truncates a posted statement.
> This originally read:
>
> [*deleted text*]
>
> >> “In Neuengamme there were no gas chambers, properly speaking.
> >> What was known as the ‘bunker’ was used: *it served as the camp
> >> prison, and it was here that executions usually took place*.[…]”
Oh…executions. Of course you can tell us the names of these men and
why they were executed. Could it be for the same reason that 90,000
Germans taken prisoner at Stalingrad by the humane Soviets
NEVER returned home?
>
> The statement is quite clear. The prisoners were gassed in the camp
> prison which was called “the bunker.” Can Mr. Blackmore prove
> otherwise?
So, that is your “proof”-an ALLEGATION which you believe in religiously.
>
> >
> >. It was made gastight and new doors installed, along with
> >> a system of heating pipes that served for distributing the gas
> >> and
> >> for ventilation. […]”
Sounds like a delousing chamber to me.
> >
> >And you have these orders for construction, which prove this
> >was a facility to kill human beings?
>
> Those who doubt the previous statements are invited to visit [FN70]
> on page 271 of _Nazi Mass Murder_.
>
> >>
> >> Reference 1:
> >>
> >> _AUSCHWITZ: 1270 to the Present_
> >>
> >Have it. Rehashes the SOS.
>
> Mr. Blackmore does not appear to have this book in spite of his
> protestations.
I do indeed own the book, but I lent it out to someone. Perhaps you
will post their interpretation of this dubious passage?
If he had the book he could easily explain what:
>
> “Langsshnitt durch, eine Entlausungkammer mit
> Degesch-Kreislanufanordnung”
>
> signifies and why it is relevant to Dachau. He can’t, he won’t, and
> the world is laughing at him.
On the contrary, the world is laughing at you. Can’t you hear them?
>
> >>
> >> Reference 2:
> >>
> >> _NAZI MASS MURDER_
> >> Eugen Kogon, Hermann Langbein & Adalbert Ruckerl, Editors
> >>
> >Have it and you criticized when I quoted from it
> >regarding Goering and the “Final Solution”, but now you run into
> >their arms to support your unsupportable contentions.
>
> Mr. Blackmore must surely be jesting. Who precisely does he
> accuse of running into the arms of the editors of the book? The
> subject at hand deals with the gas chambers and the quality of the
> testimony in the _Belsen Trial._
All right. Then I will refer you and the sentient readers to chapter
8 in Kogons “Mass Murder”. I refer you specifically to the section
on Dachau, pages 202-204 for yet another example of historical
bunk.
Mr. Blackmore cannot answer why many, many
> perpetrators, witnesses, victims, and those who built gas chambers
> have testified as to their existence. Does he imply that everyone was
> tortured? Does he imply that millions of documents have been
> falsified? If so, he must present proof of a different sort than just
> a simple snit-fit. By not posting his evidence he admits to acts of
> obfuscation and deceit.
You have not admitted even ONCE that ANY of the testimony
quoted was perhaps, shall I say…..fabricated? The fact that you
have not done so proves that it is you who is without hope. Your
credibility is very low, as you believe as a matter of implicit FAITH,
out of conviction, rather than what reason tells or ought to tell you.
rb
>
>
>
>>>>
]
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> Chuck Ferree <[email protected]> writes:
> Chuck Ferree wrote:
>
> I really can’t believe this turkey has the balls to keep posting the lie
> about how many died at Auschwitz. He says he knows from some new books,
> but where are the new books, and how come he doesn’t prove his
> ridiculous claim of only a total of 70,000 killed at Auschwitz? I
> believe the reason is:
> #1- he’s a liar
> #2- he’s a bluffer
> #3- he is a dummy
> #4- he’s a fruitcake.
>
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > You forgot to add the following:
> >
> > World War II Magazine, November 1994 Issue cited
> > 4 million killed at Auschwitz.
>
> >
> > New figures of the dead at Auschwitz, taken from archives
> > in Moscow, indicate 70,000 deaths, 46,000 of them Jews.
>
> Biggest crock posted ever on alt. rev even worse than anything the idiot
> giwer contends.
> Chuck
>
>>>>
Humpty Holocaust is falling down
And all the King’s horses and all the King’s men
Can’t put it back together again….
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 25 Oct 1996 19:57:26 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
> wrote:
>
> >[email protected] wrote:
>
> >: Of course if Mr. Edeikin had his way, the Nazis would have
> >: received no representation whatsoever. As it turns out, it did
> >: them little good anyway, as their sentences had already been
> >: predetermined before the trials ever began.
>
> >Hmm. Why, then, were some of them acquitted?
>
> And, of course, there was not always agreement amongst the Tribunal. The
> Soviets wanted to hang Speer, for instance, while Britian, France, and the
> U.S. did not think his crimes warranted it.
>
> Doesn’t sound to premeditated to me either.
>
>>>>
Well, we all know that the Soviets, who were mass
murderers millions of times over, had no compunctions
whatsoever. They at least were honest about what
they wanted to do-the allies were hypocritical. There was
criticism in many circles over these trials, especially within
the military. It would not have looked “impartial” had the
allies agreed to executing all the defendants at Nuremberg.
The judgments were all politically motivated.
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> : > [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
>
> : > If you dd not lie, then why did you clearly state that the monuments said
> : > ‘Jews?’ And what do you call this statement of falsehood that you are on
> : > record as having said?
> : >
> : What do you call this falsehood of 4 million
> : dead at Auschwitz? Whose falsehood is the greater?
>
> Let me get this straight, Mr. Belling–you’re trying to get out of this
> by claiming to be less dishonest than the communist government of Poland?
>
> That’s stunningly unimpressive.
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
No, it is you who is dishonest, for you defend a
fraud. 4 million frauds, actually, and you have
the effrontery to accuse me of dishonesty. Very
sad, even for you.
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[email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
[email protected] wrote:
[email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
If you dd not lie, then why did you clearly state that the monuments said
‘Jews?’ And what do you call this statement of falsehood that you are on
record as having said?
What do you call this falsehood of 4 million
dead at Auschwitz? Whose falsehood is the greater?
Let me get this straight, Mr. Belling–you’re trying to get out of this
by claiming to be less dishonest than the communist government of Poland?
That’s stunningly unimpressive.
Bill
No, it is you who is dishonest, for you defend a
fraud. 4 million frauds, actually, and you have
the effrontery to accuse me of dishonesty. Very
sad, even for you.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 17:53:13 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>
>
> > What you call a lie was simply human error due to the fact
> > that I was relying upon memory until I found the source with
> > the inscription.
>
> Although at the time you were “relying” on your memory, you were
> claiming as well that the source was in front of you.
>
>
> > At any rate, I was not off base, as I have
> > already explained under another post.
>
> Your explanation was dishonest and inaccurate.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
What’s your excuse?
From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 19:05:18 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Behold the lie
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[email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
In message <[email protected]>
– [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
[email protected] wrote:
New figures of the dead at Auschwitz, taken from archives
in Moscow, indicate 70,000 deaths, 46,000 of them Jews.
Uh-huh. And, of course, Mr. Belling will rush to provide us with
documentation for this claim.
> :>Won’t he?
>
> What he will do, Bill, is post–again–the same rubbish that Gannon was
> posting three years ago, and claim that it is a recent discovery!! He knows
> that the 70,000 is a _partial_ list of those prisoners who died in captivity,
> of those who were _registered_. He also knows that the huge majority of
> arrivees were murdered upon arrival and were not registered at all, since it
> served no purpose. But he will trumpet the tripe anyway, because that is the
> denier way.
>
> Mr. “Blackmore’s” latest game is to recycle the really old stuff, in the hope
> that people here will have forgotten it, and he can portray it as NEW.
>
Actually, the people here wouldn’t care whether the dead themselves
came back and told them it was a lie. The Germans kept meticulous
records on people who entered the camp. This fantasy of people being
admitted and not numbered is pure invention, and you can offer no
proof for it other than personal “testimonies”. In fact, at some point
during Auschwitz’s history, the authorities stopped tattooing prisoners
altogether. I must remember to look up that date…..I have personally
met survivors who claimed to be at Auschwitz yet were not tattooed.
Aside from that, the burden of proof is on non-revisionists to proof
that such a policy ever existed.
rb
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> : New figures of the dead at Auschwitz, taken from archives
> : in Moscow, indicate 70,000 deaths, 46,000 of them Jews.
>
> Uh-huh. And, of course, Mr. Belling will rush to provide us with
> documentation for this claim.
>
> Won’t he?
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
Already did, where were you? Let’s see if you will now
rush to admit that your version of the Holocaust is a
fraud.
rb
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Behold the lie
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> :>>
> :>> Is it *so* difficult to understand?
>
> :>It is not difficult to understand….it is just difficult
> :>for you to prove.
>
> No it isn’t. It is exceedingly easy to prove. If you knew anything about
> either Auschwitz, the method of killing or history, you would know how easy it
> is to prove. But that assumes you _want_ the truth and are not just another
> denier fraud.
>
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
I have read the tales, and I do not find them credible without
proof. Not everyone can believe as a matter of faith.
From [email protected] Sat Oct 26 00:08:07 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: The Ten Commandments of Nizkor Supporters
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1. The standard version of the Holocaust shall be thy god.
Thou shalt have no other version placed before thee.
2. Thou shalt honor the memory of the dead-even if they
are still living.
3. Thou shalt use slander and insults in replying to the
arguments of honest inquirers. When a situation
becomes uncomfortable, refer to the inquirer as a
“Nazi” or “hater” or “anti-Semite”.
4. Thou shalt ignore purposeful argument whenever you
can. Thous shalt change the subject continuously in
order to evade a direct and honest answer to a question.
5. Thou shalt deny the obvious even at the cost of personal
discomfort.
6. Thou shalt “rat pack” the inquirer and use tactics such
as impugning their honesty and integrity. Thou shalt make
pretenses to impartiality and adopt an attitude of sanctimonious
piety.
7. Thou shalt frequently refer to the inquirer as a liar, and never
attempt to back up the slander with proof. The trick
shall consist of repeating the same lie and distortion
over and over again and hope that you will tire the
inquirer out, or by chance catch some browser unawares.
8. Thou shalt defend the many obvious errors, distortions,
exaggerations and vagaries of the Holocaust,
however obvious. Thou shalt NEVER admit of crimes committed
against millions of German civilians, as that might induce people
to actually sympathize with their sufferings. Thou shalt represent
only one group of people as having suffered and thus worthy
of thy sympathy, and the sympathy of the world. Thou shalt
overlook or condone the many heinous crimes of other nations,
particularly Israel. Thou shalt adopt a double standard and deny
it when pointed out to you.
9. Thou shalt indulge in obscenities as if thou art at prayer.
10. Thou shalt harass the inquirer and use every semantic trick
at your disposal to confuse the browers to alt revisionism.
All is fair game, and artful sophistry is an absolute require-
ment. It is important to always sling enoung mud-some of it
might stick, even though your own hands be covered with
mire. If caught brown handed-simply adopt a pious express
and deny everything. Imply that the inquirer compelled you
to cast mud in order to defend yourselves.
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From: [email protected]
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Date: 25 Oct 1996 12:36:18 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> >> [email protected] writes:
> >>
> >> >Apparently what’s wrong with you is worse than what is wrong
> >> >with me. Fool, my point was, how many of the 4,000,000 given
> >> >by the Polish Commission referred to non-Jews specifically? If
> >> >you break it down, you will see that the OVERWHELMING majority
> >> >of these faked figures were still claimed to be Jews.
> >>
> >> BlackMoron, there’s nothing to break down. As quoted by you, there
> >> were four million victims. Religion and ethnicity are not mentioned.
> >> Jews are not mentioned.
>
> >Look at yourself before you look at me. Again, the
> >book lists a breakdown of alleged deaths at Auschwitz
> >by nationality, and the remainder is the deaths of Jews.
>
> 1) What book? The Polish government one? You’re not going to do a
> switch on me with the Jewish book, are you?
>
> 2) If there is a breakdown relevant to your arguement, why didn’t
> you post it?
>
> 3) Where do you get the idea that any “remainder” = Jews?
>
> 4) If your source wanted to show four million Jews killed, why
> wouldn’t it simply say “four million Jews”?
>
>>>>
I cannot answer for the various liars and lies concerning the
fraudulent figures given for alleged deaths at Auschwitz.
The fact is, however, they were and are phoney, and I
have posted enough information to prove to an unprejudiced
mind that this is a fact. However, if you insist upon more, I
will post it.
From [email protected] Sat Oct 26 14:46:29 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: “Der Stuermer”-Hitler’s Favorite Mag?
Date: 25 Oct 1996 11:31:05 GMT
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[email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
[email protected] wrote:
Yes, it was first published in 1941. The Germans learned of its
publication at that time, and evidently the book sold so well that
it went into an immediate second edition.
Your source on this is…?
I have a photostatic copy of the title page of this book,
and the edition is 1941. I believe Irving also refers to a
1941 edition in his Goebbels book as well.
My source is Time magazine’s review in March 1942. They do not
mention a first edition
Nevertheless it exists.
How much all this cost him is Kaufman’s secret. He did not offer
the book to a regular publisher because he did not want to be
edited, and “I would not write a book like that for any amount of
money.” Financially he thinks he may break even.
Note that Time also wrote:
Startled readers wondered whether the strange book was a landmark,
the first appearance of the Streicher mind in the U.S.
So, my analogy was indeed appropriate, according to this source.
“The Streicher mind” was already well-enough known that Time could refer
to it by that phrase without further elaboration. The Nazis had been
well on their way toward destroying the Jewish people by the time Mr.
Kaufman caught his very brief limelight.
Streicher was hardly representative of the National Socialist
Government. I believe the correct interpretation here is that
both men were radicals and racist.
>
> > 1. It is certainly debateable whether Kaufman ever got
> > to put his plan into action,
As with Streicher….
>
> Well, anything is “debateable” in this forum, including whether the
> sky is blue and how many angels can dance on a pinhead.
>
> > as his “cause” was picked up
> > on by people like Morgenthau and Ehrenburg…
>
> Kaufman was a kook, and was treated as such.
So was Streicher.
Time’s review was
> positively disdainful:
>
> Few recognized the name of the author, Theodore N. Kaufman. But
> in 1939 it had appeared as chairman of the American Federation of
> Peace, which urged Congress either 1) to keep the U.S. out of
> Europe’s wars, or 2) to sterilize all Americans so that their
> children might not become homicidal monsters. In step with the
> times, Sterilizer Kaufman had simply transferred his basic idea to
> the enemy. […] But Sterilizer Kaufman is not afraid. He has
> thought deeply about sterilizing the Germans, believes that it is
> practical and easy to organize. “It would be just like
> registering for social security,” says he.
And shortly thereafter SS Doctor Clauberg began researching the
possibilities of sterilizing Jews. I wonder what prompted this action?
Couldn’t have been Kaufman’s book, could it?
>
> Now show us your proof that Morgenthau picked up on Sterilizer Kaufman’s
> nutcase idea.
Streicher mentions this book in his testimony at Nuremberg, I believe.
>
> > I am still
> > researching the opinions of Barney Baruch, who was
> > Roosevelt’s closest advisor.
>
> And I’m sure you’ll tell us when you’re done researching him, just as
> you’ll tell us when you’re done researching Irving’s dishonesty.
You are saying he is dishonest before I even research this. At any
rate he was less dishonest than Nathan Ausubel, who claimed
that 4 million Jews were gassed at Auschwitz.
>
> > I think it is fair to say that
> > some sort of plan was put into effect after the war which
> > unofficially followed their “guidelines”.
>
> Well, here’s the crux of the matter.
>
> I disagree.
>
> Now state your case, please.
>
> > 2. I would say that the Nazis treatment of the Jewish
> > people was similar to America’s treatment of Native Americans.
>
> I tend to agree — I think there are more similarities than differences.
> I’m sure you would take the similarity much too far, but that’s off on a
> tangent. I’ll respond to this in under a new thread, “Native
> Americans”.
I have seen it and responded.
>
> > Now, I have a question for you:
> >
> > Do you believe that Streicher ever had the opportuntiy
> > to put his genocidal plan into action?
>
> Streicher controlled no troops. What he _did_ was report, over and
> over, the actions that would be taken, were being taken, and had been
> taken, by the Nazi leadership
He was in no position to comment on any of this, other than
what he read in the newspapers or imagined. He was living
the life of a virtual outcast.
— and to justify those actions and
> planned actions with hateful rhetoric. He served as quite an effective
> cheerleader for their criminal behavior.
How could he when no one of any substance listened to
his rantings? I have addressed this extensively in an old
post entitled: Streicher-the Final Round.
>
>
I have replied publicly.
rb
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> : Of course if Mr. Edeikin had his way, the Nazis would have
> : received no representation whatsoever. As it turns out, it did
> : them little good anyway, as their sentences had already been
> : predetermined before the trials ever began.
>
> Hmm. Why, then, were some of them acquitted?
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
Semblance of impartiality, for one reason.
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
Date: 25 Oct 1996 14:29:02 GMT
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[email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] (ibokor)
writes:
“rblackmore” wrote to someone:
Until you decide to abide by honorable
rules of conduct in a debate, I shall
refrain from answering any of your posts,
as I have refrained from answering those
of your pal, Van Alstine. When you are
ready to resume discussion under proper
conditions, e-mail me.
d.A. pointed out:
One of the rules for honourable debate is
not to hide one’s identity.
Who are you, Honourable One?
What is your real name?
To which Gord McFee responds:
Gruss Gott, d.A,
d.A. interrupts:
Gruessen Sie Gott, oder mich?
Ich gruesse Dich, lieber d.A.! Den Herrn Gott sollte man nicht direkt
> gruessen, bestimmt nicht im Netz!
>
> :>Gord McFee contiues:
> :>
> :>meinst Du dass ein “ehrlicher” Mensch seinen
> :>Namen zugeben sollte? 🙂
>
> :>d.A. answers:
> :>
> :>Selbstverstaendlich! Ich kann schon nachvollziehen,
> :>dass eineR nicht unbedingt seinen/ihren eigenen
> :>Namen benuetzen will. Aber wenn das so sei, sollte
> :>man/frau in der Lage sein, falls darauf angesprochen,
> :>den richtigen Namen anzugeben oder mindestens einen
> :>treffenden Grund zu finden, weshalb man/frau das
> :>nicht tun will.
>
> Ganz einverstanden. Sollte es dann heissen, dass es sich hier um einen
> ehrlichen Menschen nicht handelt?
Don’t worry about my honor. Worry about your own.
Mein Gott, das Leben ist traurig!
I should say so-but not as sad as some of the
nonsense posted by people like Van Alstine and
Lewis, and Curtis.
> Merkwuerdig sich daran zu erinnern, dass unser “Freund” behauptet hat, dass er
> Deutsch kann. Ich befrage mich warum er seine Meinung nicht ausdrueckt.
Why should I? Why do you find it curious that I speak German?
I have already told you enough times, yet you wish to play
games.
>
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> > > They are lies you created to justify your hero worship.
>
> > Yale, no one even takes you seriously any more….you
> > are the man who advised to give the inmates water from
> > cisterns which had rotting corpses and turds floating in
> > it……
>
> Liar. I stated there was potable water available which Kramer did not bother
> to supply to the prisoners in his charge. That is fact. The other stuff is the fabrication of
> you and the criminal Giwer — your co-conspirator in the forging of posts.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Oh, its only a fact in your distorted paranoid image
of the world. Get a life.
From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 11:34:43 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
Date: 25 Oct 1996 13:49:42 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> You are fabricating again. You cannot say in one sentence that there
> >> was no food and in the next that the inmates were cooking food.
> >>
> >> > > Your opinions of how Kramer ‘helped’ the inmates are
> >> > > interesting, to put the matter lightly.
> >> >
> >> > They are facts, whether interesting or otherwise.
> >>
> >> They are lies you created to justify your hero worship.
> >>
> >>
> >> –YFE
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >Yale, no one even takes you seriously any more….you
> >are the man who advised to give the inmates water from
> >cisterns which had rotting corpses and turds floating in
> >it……
>
> Yale, it looks like Mr. Blackmore is projecting more than he is
> dealing with history or his distortions.
>
>
>
>
>>>>
Yep, keep patting each other on the back-one of you is
bound to burp soon…….
From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 11:34:44 PST 1996
Article: 77271 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
Date: 25 Oct 1996 13:50:29 GMT
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> [email protected] (Derek Bell) writes:
> —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—–
>
> [email protected] writes:
> >Yale, no one even takes you seriously any more….you are the man who advised
> >to give the inmates water from cisterns which had rotting corpses and turds
> >floating in it……
>
> What on earth are you blathering about now???
>
> Derek
>
>
>>>>
Your leftovers.
From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 11:34:45 PST 1996
Article: 77274 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
Date: 25 Oct 1996 14:52:39 GMT
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> >> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [Matt Giwer using the forged userid]
> >> >> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
>
> >> [snip]
>
> >> >> You silly shit. Ediken is a liar, McVay is a liar, Keren is a liar. We
> >> >> know that.
>
> >> >> We are all dumbshit little liars.
>
> >> >Thanks for finally admitting it, silly little liar.
>
> >> You responded to a forged post from Matt Giwer.
>
> >> While we’re on the topic, do you think Matt Giwer’s recent spate of
> >> forgeries is conducive to open debate?
>
> >Can’t you see we’re playing with you? Silly people.
>
> Pardon me? Are you saying that you were a party to forging my name and
> userid on posts to alt.revisionism?
>
> —
> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
You would love for that to be true wouldn’t
you? I have better things to do with my time
than post assisnine little forgeries.
From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 11:34:45 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: The Malady with Malmedy
Date: 25 Oct 1996 13:22:03 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> Concerning the so-called “Malmedy Case” American
> author William L. Shirer writes:
>
SNIP
>
> [from THE RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH: A HISTORY OF NAZI
> GERMANY, William L. Shirer, New York: Simon and Schuster, 1960,
> pgs. 1095-1096 (footnote)]
>
>
>>>>
Shirer is a far cry from an unnbiased historian. What I
posted is the result of the latest research. The facts
of this case are somewhat different from the old war
propaganda Shirer reguritates for the masses.
From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 11:34:46 PST 1996
Article: 77281 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: 25 Oct 1996 23:36:39 GMT
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> Alexander Baron ([email protected]) wrote:
> : In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Ken Lewis” writes:
> : > On Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:55:15 GMT, [email protected] (Kurt Stele) wrote:
> : >
> : > >Nope! There existed certain SS officers who were executed SOLEY on
> : > >the basis of mistreating Jewish inmates alone.
> : >
> : > Document one.
> :
> : Jewish Chronicle, June 7, 1940, page 10
> : The official Nazi wireless station in Brussels announced that 14 Belgian
> : Nazis and 4 German soldiers were ordered to be executed for looting as a
> : means of stopping uncontrolled anti-Jewish excesses.
> : The paper’s comment was “The Nazis are nothing if not methodical.”
>
> That’s interesting, Al. Now that you’ve got your daily irrelevancy out
> of the way, would you like to document a case where an SS officer was
> executed for mistreating Jewish inmates?
>
> It’s entirely understandable that the Nazis would want to avoid the
> spectacle of German soldier charging through the streets, looting and
> pillaging; I very much doubt it had anything to do with concern for
> the victims.
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
Uh-were you reading, Bill? The item states they were
to be executed for lotting as a means of stopping
uncontrolled Jewish measures. And how about this one:
>From a newspaper in Stettin, December 1937:
A jury court in Stettin sentenced one Josef Reinhardt
to death for killing a Jewish businessman named
Abraham and his non Jewish wife.
One accomplice was sentenced to life imprisonment,
and a second to 6 years imprisonment. Further:
“That the victim was a Jew made no difference
in passing sentence, the presiding Judge stressed.
The Third Reich is a state of law, in which Jews
enjoy the protection of law every bit as much as other
residents. Murder is still murder, and will be punished
most severely in each case.”
Murder remained a crime during the war years.
Paragraph 211 of the revised German penal code
(Published in October 1943), defined murder without
qualification about the victim’s race, religion or nationality,
and designated capital punishment for the crime.
During the Nuremberg trial of 1945-1946, evidence
was presented to show that German soldiers who had
murdered civilians. including Jews, were severely
punished. (IMT Blue Series, Vol 42, pp. 238-242.)
From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 11:34:47 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Bimko on the Bum
Date: 25 Oct 1996 23:44:48 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> :>> :>
> :>> :>>> Have you checked any of those assumptions?
> :>> :>
> :>> :>>Yes. She is a liar.
> :>> :>
> :>> :>Oh yes? For identifying as a brick building something which turns
> :>> :>out to have been in fact…a brick building?
> :>>
> :>> What can I say Charles, that makes her a liar–in the denier world. Or else,
> :>> she was tortured. Or both.
> :>>
>
> :>Who can say what prompted her to lie-only her
> :>hairdresser knows for sure.
>
> Thank you for that brilliant intellectual gem which, as usual when deniers are
> proved wrong, fails to address the issue.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Her testimony is packed with lies and exaggerations
and I have already posted them. It surprises me that
you seek to defend her lies as well. Why don’t you
address her lie that 4 million Jews were gassed at
Auschwitz by 1944? Is this the genesis for the actual
lie later perpetrated by the Soviet Union and Polish
Curators of the “Auschwitz Museum”?
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Article: 77297 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Just in time for Halloween
Date: 25 Oct 1996 10:09:02 GMT
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Chuck Ferree <[email protected]> writes:
Chuck Ferree writes:
rblackmore is smoking them funny cigarettes again. They cause
hallucinations. Friend of mine tried them once, but he says he didn’t
inhale. Hell that’s like having sex all by yourself, eh, blackmore?
I wouldn’t know, Chuck. Why don’t you tell us all
about it?
Now about this fairy tale regarding Dachau.
Right, its just like the rest of your fairy tales.
Take my word folks there
> isn’t a word of truth to be found in his fiction. Nothing appears in any
> books about such goings on at Dachau. Therefore this turkey is just
> making it all up, like he does everything else.
Oh, indeed it does appear, otherwise I never would have
posted it. This comment comes from the same man who
didn’t believe me when I pointed out to him that the Commandant
of Buchenwald was arrested and executed by the SS themselves.
As to the rest of what he says, of course it isn’t true, in the same
manner that the 6 million is not true, nor the 4 million alleged
dead at Auschwitz, nor the gas chambers at various camps.
However, the nonsense I posted most certainly was alleged
in the past.
>
> How do I know? Well, let me tell you how I know.
Right. Chuck knows everything.
>
>
(snip Chuck’s future book)
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > When Dachau fell into Western hands in 1945, it had to look
> > the part, so, under the inspiration of Philip Auerbach, Under-
> > Secretary of State in the provincial government of Bavaria,
> > it was transformed into a showplace of horrors.
>
> Lies, lies and more lies. Dachau didn’t need no show biz fixing up, it
> was a hell hole.
Sorry to burst your balloon Chuck, but what you write isn’t true.
>
> blackmore should be ashamed for trying to pull this kind of crappola.
> Chuck
I am not the least bit ashamed in posting something that was a lie
to begin with.
>
>
> > …Jews converted this camp into a chamber of horrors……
> >
> > Comment: Sounds just like Hollywood, doesn’t it?
>
>
> Not to me it doesn’t. Sounds more like some dumb shit smoking dope.
It seems all your senses are in a state of confusion, Chuck.
>
rb
>
>>>>
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Just in time for Halloween
Date: 25 Oct 1996 10:19:37 GMT
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[email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
Source for this stuff please ?
When Dachau fell into Western hands in 1945, it had to look
the part, so, under the inspiration of Philip Auerbach, Under-
Secretary of State in the provincial government of Bavaria,
it was transformed into a showplace of horrors.
Portions of the Camp that had been destroyed have been rebuilt. Go to
Dachau. That¹s the first thing they tell you. The Nazi¹s in some stupid
attempt to hide their atrocities, ordered Dachau dismantled. They only
partially succeeded.
They saved the “gas chamber” built at the end of 1944 for the
last, right? Right………..Seems that would have been the FIRST
thing they would have dismantled…..
Near the entrance stood a big fir tree with a horizontal
bough. On the orders of American Captain Strauss,
German prisoners of war worked the bough with ropes to
damage the bark. Auerbach then proclaimed it the “Hanging
Tree,” and said that 10,000 Jews had been hung on its bough.
I do not recall having seen such a tree, or having heard this claim from
> the guides at Dachau, so again, I¹d request a source.
The tree has since been removed after the Auerbach scandal
broke. I believe he committed suicide, but am uncertain.
>
> > The workers received orders to dig a blood-pit with a drain
> > pipe for draining off the blood, because it must be made to appear
> > that here Jewish blood had been flowing in streams. The shower-
> > baths, dressing rooms and reception halls had to be rebuilt so that they
> > should appear like gas-chambers.
>
> Source ? I ask, because this is erroneous – they had to be rebuilt because
> the Nazi¹s destroyed them. They existed. The gas chamber existed.
So you say, I say otherwise.
>
> > For the sake of achieving this
> > appearance, a special separate concrete structure was built
> > with small porthole-like openings, and these contraptions are
> > still on show today (1958-rb) purporting to demonstrate that the killing
> > “death gas” was let in through these portholes.”
>
> > …Jews converted this camp into a chamber of horrors……
>
> (1) Who cares who rebuilt it ? Why does it matter that it was rebuilt by Jews ?
> (2) What they rebuilt was what had already been there. Why do you think
> otherwise (ie provide a source) ?
I care who rebuilt it, and I would also like to know why?
I would also like to know why these things were falsified.
I know it doesn’t disturb you because you accept such things
as a matter of faith. This belief of yours has strong religious
overtones, and mankind’s history proves that many people
would rather suffer martydom than admit that their religious
beliefs are delusional. Yes, the tree had been there, but it
was not used as they claimed it had been used. Even a
pit may have once been there, but it was not dug to collect
pools of Jewish blood.
>
> > Comment: Sounds just like Hollywood, doesn’t it?
>
> No it doesn¹t.
You don’t watch much television, do you?
>
> ——————-
>
>>>>
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Rblackmore Lies for the nth time… Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >> : > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> >>
> >> : > (1) why you made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding
> >> : > the SWC
> >> :
> >> : Its my opinion and my belief until you prove otherwise.
> >>
> >> RBlackmore/JBelling has carnal knowledge of sheep. That is my opinion
> >> and my belief until he proves otherwise.
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>>>>
> >Stop barking and go back to bed with your mama/
>
> Blackmore has definately been trapped in the corner where most all
> deniers end up. Note the documentation offered in Mr. Blackmore’s
> retort. Impressive isn’t it?
>
>
>
>
>>>>
About as impressive as yours.
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Rblackmore Lies for the nth time… Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> : > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>
> : > (1) why you made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding
> : > the SWC
> :
> : Its my opinion and my belief until you prove otherwise.
>
> RBlackmore/JBelling has carnal knowledge of sheep. That is my opinion
> and my belief until he proves otherwise.
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
No, I haven’t dated your ex-wives.
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Rblackmore Lies for the nth time… Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
Date: 25 Oct 1996 13:46:53 GMT
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> Mike Curtis ([email protected]) wrote:
> : [email protected] wrote:
> : >> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> : >> [email protected] wrote:
> : >> : > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> : >>
> : >> : > (1) why you made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding
> : >> : > the SWC
> : >> :
> : >> : Its my opinion and my belief until you prove otherwise.
> : >>
> : >> RBlackmore/JBelling has carnal knowledge of sheep. That is my opinion
> : >> and my belief until he proves otherwise.
> : >>
> : >> Bill
> : >>
> : >>>>>
> : >Stop barking and go back to bed with your mama/
> :
> : Blackmore has definately been trapped in the corner where most all
> : deniers end up. Note the documentation offered in Mr. Blackmore’s
> : retort. Impressive isn’t it?
>
> Yup. It’s absolutely airtight, in my opinion.
>
> “That’s my opinion and my believe until he proves otherwise.”
>
> You’re a sad case, Mr. Belling.
>
> Bill
>
>
>>>>
Look who’s talking. At any rate, I’m here to stay, and every
insult is music to my ears.
From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 14:32:32 PST 1996
Article: 77350 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Bimko on the Bum
Date: 25 Oct 1996 09:18:41 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >> Have you checked any of those assumptions?
>
> >Yes. She is a liar.
>
> Oh yes? For identifying as a brick building something which turns
> out to have been in fact…a brick building?
>
>>>>
Indeed. It sure wasn’t a gas chamber.
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Article: 77351 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Bimko on the Bum
Date: 25 Oct 1996 09:19:36 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] (Charles
> R.L. Power)21 Oct 1996 12:30:29 -0400 writes:
> :>
> :>[email protected] writes:
> :>
> :>>> Have you checked any of those assumptions?
> :>
> :>>Yes. She is a liar.
> :>
> :>Oh yes? For identifying as a brick building something which turns
> :>out to have been in fact…a brick building?
>
> What can I say Charles, that makes her a liar–in the denier world. Or else,
> she was tortured. Or both.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Who can say what prompted her to lie-only her
hairdresser knows for sure.
rb
From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 17:02:38 PST 1996
Article: 77380 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: “Der Stuermer”-Hitler’s Favorite Mag?
Date: 25 Oct 1996 23:10:21 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 11:19:10 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> :>> >
> :>>
> :>> What is Mr. Blackmore (not his real name) not an authority on? Mr.
> :>> Blackmore is fluent in German, an expert researcher, an authority on
> :>> the Holocaust and now and authority on Native American History. Mr.
> :>> Blackmore seems to be that rare individual who knows everythin, but in
> :>> the end is shown to know nothing. Another attempt at comparison bites
> :>> the dust.
>
> :>My posts must be rather effective. Thank you for the
> :>unintended complements.
>
> Mr. Blackmore plays his little game, sad as it may be.
>
> Alles was entsteht…..
>
> Fill in the rest, Mr. fluent German speaker.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
Ich lehne ab, danke.
>
>
>>>>
From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 17:39:26 PST 1996
Article: 77384 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: 25 Oct 1996 23:25:40 GMT
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[email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] (Mark
Van Alstine)Thu, 24 Oct 1996 20:41:45 -0800 writes:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gord
McFee) wrote:
No, Gordon, I won’t apologize for this, any more than you are
willing to apologize for the slander of repeating that 6 million
Jews were murdered by the Germans.
Eichmann said a simular thing during his interrogation. I don’t think
that Mr. McFee has anything at all to be apologitic for.
The supreme irony in this is that Eichmann turns out to be less of a denier
than Mr. “Blackmore”.
Fortunately, I am not in Israeli custody.
Bad things seem to happen to people while
in their custody.
Indeed! However, does this mean that Herr Schwarzesel _won’t_ be offering
his usual lying scumbag Nazi apologia in defense of Eichmann’s part in the
Holocaust? After all, Eichmann, like Ho”ss, openly _admitted_ that the
Nazis murdered millions of Jews.
No, I am sure a spirited defense of Eichmann is not far away. The claim will
be made that he was tortured, brainwashed and otherwise mistreated to the
point where he would have admitted anything. Of course, no attempt will be
made to explain why he was permitted to invoke “only following orders” as a
defense.
How nice. Repartee between Pete and RePete.
Perhaps they had a few baseball bats ready just in case…..
>
> :>Since we know all about Herr Schwarzesel’s pathological obsession, for
> :>example, in asserting (without evidence) that Ho”ss’s testimonies and
> :>memoirs were coerced and/or falsified, one might wonder how long it will
> :>be until Herr Schwarzesel starts ranting about how Eichmann’s was
> :>”tortured” and “coerced” during his interrogation and testimony as
> :>well….
> :>
> :>It’s only a matter of time. Really.
>
> You got it!
>
> So predictable.
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
> As are your response, which are in line with the “Ten
Commandments of Nizkor supporters”.
>
>>>>
From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 17:51:48 PST 1996
Article: 77390 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: rblackmore lies
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> : > [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
> : >
> : > > I would now like to ask for
> : > > your permission to publish the record of our discussions, so that people
> : > > may know which of us is correct and which of us is incorrect. May I
> : > > have that permission?
> : >
> : > “rblackmore” has informed me in email that I may _not_ have that
> : > permission.
>
> : Say what you like, it is of no special concern to me.
> : Belligerence? What an odd word to use……..
>
> It’s going to be hard for anybody, Mr. Belling, to avoid the conclusion
> that you’re lying, based on the above facts as posted by Mr. McCarthy.
> Do you really have nothing further to say on the matter?
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
Usually, I do, thank you.
From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 23:07:10 PST 1996
Article: 77413 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: One More Time: Holocaust Proof
Date: 25 Oct 1996 23:07:17 GMT
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> [email protected] (Kathleen Mulhern) writes:
> I’ll try this one more time, and since I have already included portions of
> this book in responses and they have, mysteriously, never recieved a
> reply, I’ll try it this one last time:
>
> The book: _Auschwitz: 1270 to the Present_. The authors: Deborah Dwork
> and Robert Jan van Pelt. The publisher:W.W. Norton & Company, Inc., 500
> Fifth Avenue, New York, NY 10110. Copyright 1996 by the authors.
>
> Page 222: “Design of a Degesch Zyklon B gas chamber. Osobyi Archive,
> Moscow, coll. 502/1, file 322. The tin with Zyklon B (5) is opened by a
> lever (3) connected to a tin opener (4); the Zyklon B crystals fall on a
> tray (6) and are heated by a hot-air blower (9) to facilitate
> evaporation.”
The honing of the gas chamber story continues until they
feel they have finally perfected it.
>
> Page 281: “Hitler was absolutely convinced, as he wrote in “Mein Kampf,”
> that ‘if at the beginning of the War and during the War twelve or fifteen
> thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the people had been held under
> poisen gas, as happened to hundreds of thousands of our very best German
> workers in the field, the sacrifice of millions at the front would not
> have been in vain. On the contrary: twelve thousand scoundrels eliminated
> in time might have saved the lives of a million real Germans, valuable for
> the future.'”
So you are implying 12 or 15 thousand people were killed by gas?
>
> Also on page 281: “‘I’ve ordered Himmler,’ Hitler assured his audience,
> ‘in the event of there some day being reason to fear troubles back at
> home, to liquidate everything he finds in the concentration camps. Thus
> at a stroke the revolution would be deprived of its only leaders.'”
He has ordered Himmler to what-round up portions of the Jewish
population in various and diverse places-especially war zones-and
incarcerate them as Americans incarcerated people of Japanese,
German, and Italian ancestry? Are you implying that these people
were all considered “leaders”? All Indians and no Chiefs, is that
it?
>
> Page 124: ”
(snip)
. No, our method is much
> simpler.”
>
The above is the most ridiculous nonsense I have ever
read-even for alt revisionism. To snip the higlights:
We do not carry out the action with
> poisen, injections or other measures which can be recognised … for then
> the foreign press and certain circles in Paris or London would only have
> new opportunities for propaganda against us ..
No, instead it is implied that they decided to use gas, which of
course would not be recognised or reported to the foreign press
or certain circles in Paris or London, and would never present
an opportunity to use as propaganda against them….un huh.
With these words he pulled a child out of its cot. While this
> fat, gross man displayed the whimpering skeletal little person like a hare
> which he had just caught, he coolly remarked: “Naturally, we don’t stop
> theur food straight away. That would cause too much fuss. We gradually
> reduce their portions. Nature takes care of the rest … this one won’t
> last more than two or three more days.”
The things some people are prepared to believe! Of course
slow starvation of disabled children was another form of murder
which the world
press would never use as propaganda against the Germans.
And of course the Herr Doktor has no problem confessing
murder of children in front of dozens of witnesses, who no doubt
all applauded and stole the chicken bone right out of the poor
child’s hand and devoured it for themselves. This fantasy tale
smacks of Hansel and Gretl or Oliver Twist.
Five thousand children were killed in this way.
Of course, aside from these fantastic remarks of the
Doctor, you will produce actual proof that this crime
was committed, won’t you?
Satified with the
> pediatric program, Hitler instructed Bouhler’s department to organize the
> murder of the adults unfit for life. After consultation with Albert
> Widmann, the chief of the Chemical Department of the Criminal Technical
> Institute, Bouhler’s deputy, Viktor Brack, recommended the use of bottled
> carbon monoxide produced at BASF.”
Now, you will provide accurate documentation for all of this,
won’t you? Of course you won’t. And whatever happened to
Albert Widmann?
>
> And there is so much more, including notes on blue prints and more primary
> source material that the authors of this book were able to uncover. I’ll
> print more.
Undoubtedly of the same low standards as your present posting.
>
From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 23:07:10 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> Chuck Ferree <[email protected]> writes:
> Chuck Ferree wrote:
>
> blackmore, you ignorant turkey, your posts aren’t getting to anybody,
> more are on the way, you warn us, but do we care? Hell, I don’t
> because I can’t go to funny movies any more, have a hearing problem.
> WHAT?
>
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > [email protected] (Derek Bell) writes:
> > > —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—–
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >>>>
> > You also forgot to mention that my posts are
> > obviously getting to you. Not to fear-more are on the
> > way.
>
>
> BFD send ‘um on, they are not really funny, just silly, and I’ve
> always been a sucker for silly. My Mom told me I was even silly to
> join the Air Corps. But did I listen? No!
> Chuck
>
>>>>
Which proves your instability. You should have listened
to your dear old mother.
From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 23:07:11 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis’s “Gas Chambers”
Date: 26 Oct 1996 00:04:55 GMT
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> Chuck Ferree <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
> Nizkor has the best data available, and it says both that the gas
> chamber probably wasn’t used to kill humans, also in another section,
> it states that it may have been used to kill humans. Those that run
> the Dachau Memorial are cautious, but in 1983 on a return to Europe,
> the documentation read that the gas chamber had been used to gas
> people. Today, they don’t say one way or the other.
>
> Chuck Ferree
>
>>>>
Which proves the nature of the fraud.
From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 23:07:12 PST 1996
Article: 77426 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: A Short Sharp Lesson for blackmore
Date: 25 Oct 1996 08:50:15 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] having been caught in a lie tries to cover up with a few
> more:
> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > >
> > That is impossible. There is no such opinion and blackmore has been
> > > caught — again — distorting a source beyond all recognition.
Nonsense, of course.
>
>
>
> Nor should it have been. Note, as well, the ususal “revisionist” trick.
> A lawyer for the nazis says so. Therefore it must be true.
Of course if Mr. Edeikin had his way, the Nazis would have
received no representation whatsoever. As it turns out, it did
them little good anyway, as their sentences had already been
predetermined before the trials ever began.
>
> > These are the real facts concerning Nuremberg.
>
> Your statement did not refer to Nuremberg, it referrred to trials held
> under U.S. law.
All the trials were conducted within the atmosphere of hate
and revenge typified by the Nuremberg “trial” which actually
set the precedent.
>
> > Mr. Edeikin’s
> > “Dirty Dancing” fools no one who has access to the whole truth,
> > something he seeks to conceal and distort on a more or less
> > continual basis. My question is “why”?
>
> blackmore, fresh from admitting to being an accomplice is forging
> posts now tries to obsfuscate his dishonesty.
I never admitted any such thing. You are a paranoid fool
who has no answer to argument save duplicity.
blackmore claimed that there is a
> an opinion from the U.S. Supreme Court stating that they had no jurisdiction over
> trials held pursuant to U.S. law at Dachau.
I offered a quote and the quote was quoted correctly. Aside from
that, it is the truth-something which seems to upset Mr. Edeikin.
He refused to produce the opinion
> and told others to do their own research.
I tell them what you told me.
It was done. Not only was there no
> such opinion ever written
Liar.
but the point he made was flatly contradicted by
> another opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court (Hirota v. MacArthur 338 U.S. 197)
> which explains the proper procedure and the fact that another defendant at
> those trials was allowed to appeal to U.S. courts (Eisentrager v. Forrestal 174
> F.2d 961). Any competent researcher could find those opinions at any county
> law library.
Another distortion and a lie.
>
> blackmore resorts, as seems to be his habit, to calling names and
> throwing out red herrings.
And of course Mr. Edeikin steals my lines, proving he has
no originality.
>
> To prove his contentions would be very simple. All he has to do is
> produce the opinion of the Supreme Court to which he claims he referred. He
> does not. He cannot.
The Supreme Court refused to hear the case-comprende?
>
> –YFE
>
>
> >
The legal precedent for these trials were set at Nuremberg,
where in the original charter, Paragraph VII of Ordinance No. 7, we find:
“The Tribunals shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. They
shall adopt and apply to the greatest extent expeditious and non-technical
procedure, and shall admit any evidence which they deem to have probative value.
Which is irrelevant. The Dachau trials were not conducted under the
Nuremberg Charter but U.S. military law. The old “revisionist” bait and switch.
No one is being fooled by your duplicity here, Mr. Edeikin.
The low standards set at Nuremberg were valid for all
subsequent trials of accused Germans.
From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 23:07:13 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
(Mike’s sad commentary snipped)
>
> Blackmore: It is curious indeed how every epithet you apply to
> me applies to yourself….there must be something
> very Freudian in all of this? Tell me, how did you
> get along with your mother and father?
>
> Oh my, now he wants information about my childhood! At least my
> rlelatives were not destroyed by the Nazis. This made my making
> possible.
>
>
>
>>>>
Are you Jewish?
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Miloslav Bilik) writes:
>
Some days before, the Professor
> Hirt, according to Mr Otto Bong, told: ‘They are going to fall like
> flies’.
> [..]
> This same day, the Professor Hirt tells me: ‘Pierre, if you can’t
> shut up, you will go in the same place'”
Hearsay.
In the strange world of the Holocaust any accusation will do.
rb
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>
> Imagine: your “comrades” are the likes of Giwer, Stele and Moron!
>
> It must hurt you when you have to face up to the fact that you are an
> intellectual fraud.
>
>
> Posted and e-mailed.
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Thank you for your observations.
From [email protected] Mon Oct 28 07:12:39 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:
It is hard to distinguish Mr. Blackmore from Jamie but I can guess.
There is the one making specific points and other not doing much of
anything. The latter is Blackmore.
Only a slave to another person’s opinions would make
that comment.
[email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
[email protected] wrote:
2. I would say that the Nazis treatment of the Jewish
people was similar to America’s treatment of Native Americans.
In other words,
No, in YOUR words……
they ruthlessly stripped them of their possessions and
Ruthlessly is not entirely accurate in every case. There is a factor
of two distinct cultures, Jamie, and they failed to understand the
other.
Oh, ta ta. Pete and RePete.
e major difference with the Germans and the Jews is that they
spoke the same language and shared most of the same culture. They did
not share the same religion. Just as there is a catholic Germany
(South) and a protestant Germany (North) there was an urban Jewish
community. this community was a distinct minority.
Jewish people were still Jews of the mediterranean, Semitic race of
people, which differs from the european stock, as the Native
Americans and the White Europeans, with the exception that the
Germans were the indigenous population, to which the Jews had
more or less assimilated themselves over the centuries. This is a
simple fact which you will now seek to distort, no doubt. In America,
though the intruders were white europeans, they did not assimilate
themsleves into the Native American system of society but reversed
the role.
Another difference is that some Indian communitees tended to leave a
particular location at seasonal times. This wasn’t understood by the
European community.
Many Indians were migratory. Also, ever heard of the expression
“Wandering Jews”?
land, treated them like animals,
The Indian failed to grasp the European culture and would attack their
communities in forms that could be described as animalistic. Normally
women and children were taken back by the attacking party. Many of
these prisoners were later incorporated into the tribe.
Many were, and many weren’t. Many warlike tribes took prisoners
simply to torture them to death. However, even in the warlike tribes
captives were often integrated into tribal society. In war, Native
Americans usually gave no quarter nor expected any, as this formed
a part of their “warrior code”.
The Europeans
tried the same thing only to meet with massive failure. The cultures
just simply didn’t understand each other. There was no such excuse for
the Germans in there treatment of their own kind and the Jewish
population.
One can always find excuses. Of course you will turn
this around and say tha I am the one looking for excuses.
Your responses are so predictable by now.
sent them on forced marches with
staggering death rates, and let disease kill them by the hundreds of
thousands.
This is true. Barbarities can be found among the Indian tribes, Jamie.
They were after all a minority. They couldn’t even get along with each
other. To some degree they had “racist” ideas about other tribes. They
also turned on their own kind. No history is simplistic. There is no
excuse for what individual communities did to the natives in the end.
We are looking at history through our modern eyes and forget that
frontier settlers had to deal with a culture and a group of people
they didn’t understand.
For once I agree with Mr. Curtis’s evaluation.
(The similarity ends in the camps, where the Nazis built
machines of mass murder, though of course you would deny the facts of
the matter.) Further, a significant segment of the population,
probably the majority, had not even enough sympathy with the victims
to raise their voices in protest.
Actually, there was much support in the east. But the frontier
communities elected their senators and representatives to take care of
a problem they saw as dangerous. Grant even appointed an Indian to be
the head of Indian Affiars.
An “uncle Tom”, as some considered him. Similar to
the Jewish Ghetto Police.
I have found that there was much blame to
> go around with both sides. The fact that one was a minority and of a
> completely different culture both in language and in thought makes it
> very sad indeed. This fact is only true in one way when the
> German/Jewish question is studied.
>
>
> > Protest under the Nazi regime was of course much more difficult than
> > protest in the American Colonies or the newly-formed U.S. of A.
> > Furthermore, the population of the Colonies and States was not
> > subjected to a torrent of anti-Indian propaganda in anything like the
> > way that the German population was.
> >
> >Nonsense. Furthermore, both Indians and whites indulged in
> >horrific massacres.
> >
>
> He’s talking about the propaganda. To some degree Jamie is not
> informed about the propaganda within England, Spain, and France. This
> propaganda seems to be more cultural misunderstanding than anything
> else. To the Puritan the natives were the children of Satan and had to
> be saved. To the French they were a market to be exploited. To the
> Spanish they were just trash. John Smith was fired on immediately by a
> Virginia tribe. It seems that they didn’t trust Europeans.
>
> One difference that I can immediately see is that the Jews never
> indulged in a massacre against the Germans to bring on the way they
> were treated.
Apparently not, in the sense that we are thinking of it.
According to the Nazis interpretation, they thought differently.
>
> >(snip)
> >
> > I would say the most important differences are: (1) Native Americans
> > were never subjected to forced labor (to my knowledge) on the scale
> > that the Nazis used their enemies.
> >
> >They certainly were subjected to forced labor in South America and
> >Mexico on a massive scale.
> >
>
> Native Americans to Americans are the North American Indian tribes.
In this context, then no. they had the Afro-Americans for that.
>
> > (2) The technologies differed,
> >> allowing the Nazis to be much more efficient in their mass murder.
> >
> >What mass murder do you refer to?
>
> Mr. Blackmore chooses to act dumb.
You choose to ignore the question.
>
> >>
> >> Most importantly, (3) the Nazi slaughter took place not on a frontier
> >> being explored, but on land that had been civilized a thousand years
> >> prior; not of a remote, unseen, illiterate people, but of a people
> >> who for years had lived side-by-side with the aggressors in peace and
> >> fought side-by-side with them in war; and not in a time of discovery,
> >> but in a time of enlightenment and Kultur.
> >
> >What area are you referring to? Poland? Soviet Russia?
>
> Pretty soon he’ll be stomping his feet.
Ignoring the question again.
>
> >
> > The familiarity and
> >> modernity of the Nazi crime and its victims made shocking contrast
> >> with the hideous barbarity of its results.
> >
> >The accusations are shocking. They have yet to be proven, and I can’t
> >see where the alleged acts of the nazis were more inhumane than the acts
> >of the Soviets or the other allies.
>
> Mr. Blackmore forgets that we are dealing with the Nazis and not the
> Soviets.
He brought the subject of Nazi crimes up…..
>
> [snipped so what trail]
>
> >> I might add something about theories of racial supremacy having been
> >> discredited by mainstream scientific circles by the time of the Nazis,
> >
> >By whom? You have heard of C. Coon, Lothrop Stoddard, Morton,
> >Gobineau, etc. So what you write here is not a fact.
> >
>
> Mr. Balckmore is stomping his little feet [tm]!
And you are clapping your little hands……
>
> [snip]
>
> That was fun
Wasn’t it?
rb
From [email protected] Mon Oct 28 07:12:40 PST 1996
Article: 77446 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Rblackmore Lies for the nth time… Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
Date: 26 Oct 1996 00:24:03 GMT
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> Chuck Ferree <[email protected]> writes:
> Chuck Ferree writes:
>
> Blackmore denies dating other men’s wives. I believe him, he has no
> need for female companionship. Making love by himself suits this idiot
> just fine.
> Chuck
>
>>>>
You are a “Master” in this “art”, no doubt, as well
as a master-baiter.
rb
From [email protected] Mon Oct 28 07:12:40 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: The Malady with Malmedy
Date: 26 Oct 1996 00:27:06 GMT
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> : I don’t know why I even bother with you but
> : I will refer you to the latest book on this subject
> : which contradicts everything you write-and no,
> : it is noot a revisionist publication.
>
> Then do so, Mr. Belling. You’ve developed a disturbing habit
> of saying you’re going to provide documentation, and then not
> doing so. Put up or shut up.
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
I gave it in a previous post. It is “The Devil’s Adjutant”
by Michael Reynolds, available at most fine book stores.
From [email protected] Mon Oct 28 14:38:56 PST 1996
Article: 77555 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Bimko on the Bum
Date: 25 Oct 1996 09:17:33 GMT
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:
[email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
Have you checked any of those assumptions?
Yes. She is a liar.
Can’t you see Mr. Blackmore stomping his little feet and gathering
dust like Pigpen?
So, now it is “Pigpen”……..very scholarly indeed..
Now, if she did indeed describe this building inaccurately, does this
mean that she never saw it?
She is the one who claimed to have been given a royal
tour through the “Black Museum”.
Mr. Blackmore’s obvious hatred and fevered imagination are
getting the best of him.
Obvious hatred? Get off your little soap-box, because
no one is listening to your whining anyway. It is clear
that my arguments have gotten the best of you, and
rather quickly, I might add, which says something about
your instability.
In no place does the witness claim
> to have been given a “grand tour” of the gas chambers. Mr.
> Blackmore is challenged to document the exact amount of
> time that the witness spent in the gas chamber. He can’t and
> he won’t.
She was there long enough to lie about it, and that’s all
I am concerned with. You wish to defend her lies? Go
ahead-she is probably one of the best witnesses you have.
>
> > If so, how is it that we know what building
> >> she was describing?
> >
> >Read her testimony.
>
> Sound like Mr. Blackmore really hasn’t an answer to a specific
> question. This makes me wonder if Mr. Blackmore has read the testimony
> himself.
Fantasy island…….
>
> [snipped dual ad hominems]
>
> >>
> >> I will skip your babblings on HCN cylinders since it’s outside my
> >> competence. From reading your own words, it looks like it’s outside
> >> yours as well.
> >
> >I didn’t post anything of mine on the cylinders. As I said, the
> >info above was supplied via a browser, and what they wrote appears
> >to be true.
> >
>
> No, he appears to have gotten Mr. Blackmore backed against a wall and
> so he resorts to personal attacks and avoids the issues. Typical
> methods of the denier.
Personal attacks? How is “Pigpen” for starters?
It is curious indeed how every epithet you apply to
me applies to yourself….there must be something
very Freudian in all of this? Tell me, how did you
get along with your mother and father?
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>
From [email protected] Tue Oct 29 11:14:25 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 21 Oct 1996 11:08:02 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> >
> >If I want my opinion, I’ll ask you for it.
>
>
> Poor old Herr Belling. Now he’s so confused he has to ask someone else what
> his opinion is. 🙂
>
>>>>
And you’re just the wrong person for the job…..
From [email protected] Tue Oct 29 16:52:39 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: blackmore: a Forger?
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
>
> > > Any way you want it, little boy. A complaint about your forgery to
> > > your ISP will shortly be filed.
>
> > >>>You better be able to prove I sent a forgery before
> > you make an ass out of yourself, which seems to be a habit
> > of yours….rather chronic I would say.
>
> I complained after your statement implying that you were involved and
> refused to answer directly.
>
> Th ass here is you. First you were fooled by the forgeries. Then, to
> cover your stupidity, you claimed you were involved. Finally it is damn clear that
> you approved of them.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
The ass here is you-as well as a harbinger of falsehoods and
base accusations, which seems to be in line with your usual
methods of operation. You are a sad individual after all, and as
of this day, my communication with you ceases, until you apologize.
From [email protected] Wed Oct 30 16:56:06 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:
Don’t tell me what I can and cannot grasp. I grasp it all too well and it
does not convince me.
It was ignored! (Gasp, I don’t think so, Mr. Blackmore!) So far you
have presented nothing very technical but out-of-context quotations
from very difficult and hard to obtain books. “You people” is such an
interesting way of putting it. This suggests that we agree in every
So you say……
Of course, they could not supply it then
and you cannot supply it now. It is your problem, not mine. Your
version of the Holocaust is being called to account.
Unfortunately the problem IS Mr. Blackmore’s. The problem is that Mr.
blackmore cannot handle the burden he has taken on and so he returns
to stomping his little feet.
Talking about yourself again?
If you are going to accuse people of murder, you had better be
able to prove it.
We have. The murders admitted it. Eichmann, Höss, and many others
admitted it. It is you, Mr. Blackmore who present such a poor defence.
It’s okay that you cannot see it.
Oh, yes, they admitted their grievious errors and abominable crimes-as
did the “witches” in years past. No matter that the witches were weighed
down with heavy stones, pricked with needles, ducked under water,
stretched on the rack, promised leniency for themselves
or for their family for a “full confession” which
would implicate others…….no similarity at all, eh, Mike?
Or Stalin’s infamous “show trials” where all was confessed to
openly, before being sentenced to death………Mike, your
responses are becoming more hysterical as the days pass.
[snipped an unaddressed portion and more stamping of little feet]
These documents do not refer to lethal gas chambers to
kill human beings, though you choose to attach that
interpretation because it is convenient for you to do so.
What of the blue prints, the orders of supplies, the testimony by both
the inmates and the Germans, the letters, the diaries, and the remains
of crematoriums of such a vast number that boggles the mind?
Blue prints-let’s discuss them. Which blue-prints? And
what do you think they purport to show?
Supplies? Which supplies? Coke for the crematoria?
Zyklon B to fumigate clothing and barracks? These were
common items to which you assign a sinister definition.
Ventilators? Also common in morgues or areas disinfested.
>
> >>
> >> Skipping ahead in the narrative, in October 1943, Himmler gave a
> >> speech of encouragement to a group of demoralized SS officers in which
> >> he said: “I am talking about the evacuation of the Jews, the
> >> extermination of the Jewish people. It is one of those things
> >> that is easily said. ‘The Jewish people is being exterminated.'”
> >
> >This whole speech is highly controversial and in any event does
> >not prove that people were being murdered.
>
> No, they were being exterminated. Even Eichmann admitted that Jews
> were sent to concentration camps and killed. Even Höss testified that
> he expected 20% to 30% of a transport to be useful for work. The rest
> were exterminated or gassed. He used the word gassed, I believe.
Again you rely on “testimony”. That will not do, I
am afraid. What we need is proof to verify the
accusations, however much you stomp your little
feet and curl your little toes.
>
> [snip]
>
> >
> >> or with forensic reports on cyanide traces or the locations of mass
> >> graves which match witness accounts.
> >
> >I have read these reports and they do not prove lethal gassings
> >to kill human beings.
> >
>
> Stomping his uncomfortable little feet.
You, again? ROTFL……
>
> >Instead, I will ask you to do
> >> something which you have not done so far and that is to give an
> >> explanation of the railway records which accounts for the following:
> >>
> >> 1) an authentic minutes that describes a plan to work Jews to death
> >> and deal with the rest
> >
> >Answered this. The Wannsee conference did not mention the killing of
> >Jews as was attested to by some of the participants decades later.
>
> Really. Who? Please keep it in context.
You are as well informed as I am on the subject.
Stop playing coy.
>
> >>
> >> 2) the construction of a large labour camp with an crematory
> >> overcapacity to be run by the very people given the task of settling
> >> the Jewish question
> >
> >Crematory ovens were common in camps. Auschwitz was a massive
> >facility, consequently they needed more ovens, especially since they
> >broke down frequently anyway.
>
> Then they burned the bodies in huge pits.
When the crematoria broke down. One couldn’t very
well leave cadavers lying around for weeks on end after
the unfortunate people had died from disease contracted
during epidemics, could they?
>
> >>
> >> 3) construction documents which make reference to gas chambers at the
> >> places where bodies are to be disposed of
> >
> >These refer to gas chambers for delousing and bodies which had died
> >from disease or old age, etc.
>
> No proof offerred.
There is more than enough proof. Refer to the
death books.
>
> >>
> >> 4) a document which orders that the accounting of prisoner property
> >> cease just at the time that the mass murder of inmates is alleged to
> >> have begun
> >
> >Taking property for the war effort is not the same as taking lives.
> >This is apparently a coincidence.
>
> No documentation offerred just Mr. Blackmore’s tiring opinions.
However, we are waiting for your proof that people
were murdered.
>
>
>
rb
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