Blackmore part 4, Bellinger Joseph

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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
>
[email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:

. Evidently you
> want to imply that all Jews who claim losses to the Holocaust are
> liars as well, and that my Jewish friends with their stories are
> somehow trying to pick my pocket.

I do not know what stories your Jewish friends have told you,
but I have heard some stories from a few of my Jewish friends
and/or acquaintances which could only ne called mythological,
to be polite. As far as claiming that ALL Jews who claim losses
are liars-that is a lie in itself as I have never said nor implied anything
of the sort. It is you who places words in my mouth, because you jump to
false conclusions.
>
> And you wonder that I see you for an antisemite.

I do not know how you see me, but if you see me as an anti-
Semite, you are in error. It must be puzzling to you to see a non
racist debunking Holocaust myths, but such is the case.
>
What 3rd or 4th or 5th generation is being punished?

Indeed this is the case. An exhibit recently opened in a
German town, where the onlooker could stand in front of
a huge billboard in the middle of the town square. This
billboard depicted all types of atrocity photos, and at the very
end of the bulletin board the browsers is left staring into a
reflected image of him or her self, as if they were
personally guilty for it.. This isn’t right, especially
in view of the fact that much which has been written about
the Holocaust is based on fantasy or fraud.
>
> Are you referring to reparations?
Do you consider me
> unfairly punished because my taxes went in part to reparations to
> Japanese-Americans who were imprisoned before I was born?

Are you comparing the amount of money the Japanese received
with the billions poured in as reparations for the Holocaust? I will
be the first to state that there is no value which can be placed on
the lives of loved ones.
>
>Yes, if the figures and alleged murders were based upon fraud.
> >Millions of Germans were murdered after the war as well.
>
> Based on authoritative documentation like someone’s alleged after-
> diner speech at a Rotary Club.

It wasn’t alleged, and the Judge repeated these comments at
many other public funtions.

>
> Yeah, why should we “stigmatize” people just on the basis of what
> they’ve done?

I didn’t use those words.

I hope you remember Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer,
> and Joe Stalin in your prayers.

It is the sinner who needs to be saved, not the righteous.
Likewise, it is the sinner who needs prayer most.

>
> Explain–specifically–how the figure of four million dead (of
> whatever ethnic group) at Auschwitz has been involved with
> “significant amounts of money”. One specific, actual example.

Are you saying it hasn’t been used either to raise money or else elicit sympathy?
I personally can and do sympathize with those who suffered, but I am
not in sympathy with those who use the sufferings of others for financial
gain or as propaganda.
>

I fail to see the difference
> >between a gas chamber and dropping the Atomic bomb on civilians.
>
> That’s because you’re a moral imbecile, not to see the difference
> between an act of war and actions of extermination taken even at the
> cost of a war effort.

Killing civilians is NOT an act of war. I repeat, killing civilians is
NOT an act of war. It is barbarism, but that you for showing us
the nature of your dual standards. What you condemn in one
you condone in another.
>
Of what importance is it if four million of those deaths
> >> are attributed erroneously to Auschwitz by those with no interest
> >> in the details of the Holocaust? Why this obsessive harping?
>
> >It is not harping. It is a clarification of fact in an honest way.
>
> Bullshit. If you were honestly interested in clarification, then
> you would shut up once it was admitted (as it has been many, many
> times) that the four million figure was indeed wrong.
>
> Honesty is not among your motives.

Thank you for telling me my motives. I must tell you yours sometime.
rb
>
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From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:02:42 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
>

.
>
> And tell me again how it is that a fraud case involving the invention
> of fake living relatives proves that the Nazis didn’t kill any Jews.

Well, it certainly proves that they never killed those “Jews” doesn’t it?
If you can’t believe the messengers, how can you believe the
message?
> —
>

From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:02:42 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 14 Oct 1996 08:33:29 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> >It is not a lie. The monuments (plural) stated that
> >4 million human beings perished at Auschwitz. Don’t
>
> If you dd not lie, then why did you clearly state that the monuments said
> ‘Jews?’ And what do you call this statement of falsehood that you are on
> record as having said?
>
>>>>
Though the monument did not refer explicity to Jews,
it is clear that the overwhelming majority of victims was
considered to be Jews, as the deaths of all other nationalities
were accounted for in other publications by Polish and
Auschwitz authorities. In either event, it is one and the
same LIE, and all the nit-picking in the world isn’t going to
help you.

rb

From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:02:43 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: blackmore: a Forger?
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> > > I am being charitable. The alternative is that you deliberately posted
> > > forgeries.
>
> > Like you?
>
> No I have never forged anybody’s name to a post.
>
> Now answer the question: were you involved.
>
> Any response but a direct answer will be taken as a positive response.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Take it however you like, you always do.

From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:02:44 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >> This is the same writer who explicitly blamed Katyn on the Nazis?
> >> Very reliable source, obviously. Not to mention the moral idiocy
> >> of justifying genocide by the fact that some members of the group
> >> being annihilated choose to fight back.
> >>
> >>>>>
> >The fighting started way before you suggest they
> >fought back…….
>
> When is that, exactly? How long do you think the Jews were
> obligated to wait before fighting back? Until after their
> extermination, perhaps?
>
>>>>
Are you asking me or telling me?

From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:02:45 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>
.
>
> That’s all very nice Mr. Beaulieu, but it doesn’t disprove my statement one
> little bit. I said that none of the defendants was tortured at Nuremberg and
> this incident, which isn’t torture anyway, happened before Sauckel was
> transferred to Nuremberg. Please try to keep up.
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Either way, Gordon, you are in error. There are many types of
torture. Not only were some of these defendants tortured
phsically, but psychologically as well.

From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:02:46 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:

rblackmore writes:
> :>>:>
> :>>:>I have most likely read the historical sources you refer
> :>>:>to. they are probably in my collection.
> :>
> :>Gee, Gord, I wonder if Mr. “Blackmore” keeps this collection of
> :>sources that he has “most likely read” in his attic?!
>
> Now what does that remind me of?

Well, now, what does it? Anne Frank’s diary?
>
> rb
>
> —
>

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – Jean-Francois Beaulieu 19 Oct
> 1996 04:16:35 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>[email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:
>

>
> Once again Mr. Beaulieu, you have posted something which has nothing at all to
> do with the thread of this discussion. Do you read your posts before you send
> them?
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
I don’t know if he reads them, but you ought to…Allied
torture—a matter of policy.

From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:02:47 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Miloslav Bilik) writes:

rbl;ackmore writes”
I am not going to debate this subject until
> >>I am ready.
> >>rb
>
> >For this finding, it seems really unusual. So unusual that we can
> >easily understand why you’re not ‘ready’.
>
> I will help you. 86 corpses have been discovered in the basement of
> the institute of anatomy. They had no head.
>
> Even in time of war, that makes a lot, as much that they had no
> evident death cause. Tell us, Watson, aside the absence of head, what
> was the second point who attracted the attention?
>
>
>
>>>>
Wasn’t Hirt another one of those alleged “suicides”?
rb

From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:02:48 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
>

>
> Have you checked any of those assumptions?

Yes. She is a liar.
>
> Now, if she did indeed describe this building inaccurately, does this
> mean that she never saw it?

She is the one who claimed to have been given a royal
tour through the “Black Museum”.

If so, how is it that we know what building
> she was describing?

Read her testimony.
>
> > There is
> >no evidence of shower heads or plumbing for same.
>
> Easy enough to take down shower heads. As for the plumbing–Blackmoron,
> are you really so stupid that you would expect any?

No, but you are stupid enough to believe Bimko’s fraudulent
testimony.
>
> I will skip your babblings on HCN cylinders since it’s outside my
> competence. From reading your own words, it looks like it’s outside
> yours as well.

I didn’t post anything of mine on the cylinders. As I said, the
info above was supplied via a browser, and what they wrote appears
to be true.

rb
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:02:49 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> : Nuremberg. What a joke. ROTFL. You’re entitled
> : to your opinion, however ignorant. Where are the
> : 6 millions, fool?
>
> They’re dead, you twisted little Nazi bufoon. Your heroes killed
> them.
>
> But it won’t happen again, Mr. Belling. Here’s how it works: you
> can talk your talk all you want, because we believe in free speech,
> unlike you. But the minute you pick up a gun and try to do what
> your spiritual ancestors did in Germany, we’ll kill you.
>
> Clear?
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
You’re a fool and a nut. ROTFL.

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> [email protected] (Miloslav Bilik) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Miloslav Bilik) writes:
> >>
> >)
> >>
> >> The room was intact after the war and is still visible. With the
> >> documents, we know even the cost of the realization of this room in
> >> the former farm.
> >>
> >> There is a letter of Sievers (September 5 44) telling that some
> >> corpses are still “unprocessed”. And when the Allied forces entered in
> >> Strasbourg, they found parts of these corpses still present in the
> >> Institute of anatomy.
> >>
> >> With all this stuff, I wonder what could be acceptable as an evidence
> >> for you ? The only fact that relies only on Kramer’s testimony is what
> >> Hirt told about the nature of the salt.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >Right, it’s really UNUSUAL to find corpses in
> >an Institute for Anatomy-tell us another one, Sherlock.
> >By the way, I am not going to debate this subject until
> >I am ready.
> >rb
>
> For this finding, it seems really unusual. So unusual that we can
> easily understand why you’re not ‘ready’.
>
>
>>>>
Wasn’t Hirt another one of those famous “suicides”?
rb

From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:02:50 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: blackmore the Sucker
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> > > Except that anybody with an ounce of sense recognized instantly that
> > > this was a forgery by one of blackmore’s heroe’s Matt Giwer. blackmore
> wants to
> > > pretend that he can tell us who and what to believe.
>
> > > Now we have a demonstration of his analytical ability.
>
> > > Go back to school, little boy.
>
> > Matt Giwer is my hero?
>
> That’s what you told us. You stated it was a compliment to be
> compared to him.
>
>
> > Who is yours? Meyer Lansky?
>
>
> At least he had class. Giwer has none.
>
> A jerk who is taken in by a fraud and then hasn’t the sense to be mad
> at the person who defrauded him, has none.
>
> –YFE
> >>>>
>
>
>>>>
Talk about someone taken in by fraud! Look at yourself, yale.

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Subject: Re: Blackmore Lies Again
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> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>

>
> Q: How do you know when R. Blackmore is evading the issue?
>
> A: His keyboard is clicking.
> —
> Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
> POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
> Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.
>
>>>>
Thank you for your comments.

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> Brian Harmon writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> [..]
> > Are you
> > maintaining that the Jews took action against the
> > Nazis because they invaded Poland?
>
> Polish Jews couldn’t bloody well do much to the Nazis
> before they invaded, could they?
>
>
> —
> Brian Harmon
> ====================================
>

>
>>>>
Are you asking me?

From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:02:52 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
>
> > > You responded to a forged post from Matt Giwer.
> > >
> > > While we’re on the topic, do you think Matt Giwer’s recent spate of
> > > forgeries is conducive to open debate?
>
> > Can’t you see we’re playing with you? Silly people.
>
> Apparently you are admitting that you were involved in forging post. You
> are very silly. You would be in much better shape by just admitting that you were
> fooled.
>
> –YFE
>
>>I am simply not concerned with what Mr. Giwer does, unlike
you people, who appear to go into a frenzy whenever his name is
mentioned.

From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:02:53 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
>

> Let us not lose sight of the fact that the main perpetrators of
> the gassings have admitted using these gas chambers. Blackmore
> and his ilk are attempting to lay red herrings

There you go again, stealing my definitions. It is people
like you and Danny who plant red herrings all over the
place.

across the road
> in the hope that we (and the audience) will be distracted by
> some minor inconsistencies

Minor!? Inconsistencies!? Lies, is more like it.

in the testimony of witnesses who
> were not only frightened and hungry, but who only had a
> glimpse of the gassing facilities.

Frightened? Hungry? At the Belsen trial? Maybe…
Frightened that she might be charged with perjury
and hungry for blind vengeance…..

A “glimpse” of the “gassing” facilities”? Not quite-
she was given a grand tour of the “Black Museum”….

Readers should be warned
> about this.

Readers should also be warned about THIS:

This perjuring witness testified to a figure of 4 million
gassed Jews at Auschwitz, as well as testifying that
a woman was a man and a man was a woman….all
this from an alleged doctor! Go figure……..
>
> Mr. Blackmore is now resorting to the amonymous and “somebody told
> me,”

I wrote: Someone sent me these observations to post and I did because
they are worthy of addressing. End of story, but Mike wishes to ascribe
his motives to other people.

> undocumented canard. What a pity. If said “browser” had posted his
> comments on alt.revisionism, a discussion on the subject at hand
> would have some validity.

Right. So they could be attacked like others? I think not.
>
> Br. Blackmore has regressed, as most deniers eventually do, to
> innuendo and hollow rhetoric.

Talking about yourself again? That is all you have ever offered.

The points that he attempts to make are
> totally unsupported by the documentation.

What documentation? Let’s have it?

Sadly, but in keeping with
> his custom Mr. Blackmore does not quote the exact testimony of the
> witness,

I refer the readers to “The Belsen trial”. It is available in most
university libraries. It is not my intention nor ever was, to
reprint the whole testimony of these individuals. If you want to, go ahead.
I am concerned only with their credibility, so I post where they have
obviously lied.

nor doe he afford us the page numbers in which this
> accounting — mostly ficticious — appears.

Nonsense. You lie with a straight face, Mike.
That much is clear. here are the page numbers:
67, 68.
>
> >
> >She describes the building as brick. The area now said to have been
> >used for gas chambers is made of reinforced concrete, not brick.
>
> Mr. Blackmore is resorting to outright fabrication. What the text
> says is:

(snip)
Wrong again, Mike. I merely posted what someone sent to
me.

The witness states that the BUILDING was made
> of brick, and indeed it was. There are a great many photographs in
> the literature showing the construction of the Auschwitz crematoriums.
> These were constructed of BRICK.

The Krema was of brick, the alleged gas chamber, which she is describing
was NOT made of brick. She lied. More of Mike”s “Dirty Dancing”.
>
This photo, one of several dozen in Pressac, shows the South
> and
> East sides of Krema IV.

She wasn’t in Krema IV.

Only one who is totally invident will
> notice that the building is made of brick.

>
> Photo 296: “Ruins of gas chamber no. 2.” The photo shows a
> pile of rubble consisting mainly of bricks.

Krema ruins. Not the gas chamber.
>

>
> >There is no evidence of shower heads …
>
> Mr. Blackmore would do himself a great favor by looking at:
>
> _AUSCHWITZ: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers_
>
> [Page 484]
>
> “Documents 18 (south/north view) and 19 (north/south view):
> Two
> photographs of the accessible part of the ruins of the east
> side of
> Leichenkeller I of Krematorium II in the region of the
> supporting
> pillar 1/6. Access is at point ‘A’ on drawing 2197 {qv}.
> Only the
> wooden blocks are still visible, each being at the
> intersection of
> a line running longitudinally between the central pillars and
> the east
> wall and a perpendicular running between two central pillars.
> 24 DUMMY SHOWER HEADS WERE FITTED.” (Emphasis
> mine)
>
> >…or plumbing for same.

And 24 dummy shower heads were supposed to convince 600 people
that these facilities were for them to take a shower? I think NOT.
These shower heads were probably destined for those workers who
were employed in the Krema or the morgue. Your interpretation
doesn’t make ANY sense.
>
> Did the witness mention plumbing? She did not. Her exact
> testimony
> follows from that quoted above. From:
>
> _TRIAL OF JOSEF KRAMER AND FORTY-FOUR OTHERS_
>
> [Page 68]
> I gained
> the
> impression that hundreds might go into this room it was so
> large.
> There were many sprays all over the ceiling in rows which
> were
> parallel.”
>
> > There is a drain in the floor.
>
> The witness states:
> for anybody who looked at the floor it was
> quite
> clear that it was not so , because there were no drains.”

There were no drains? A lie, again, because in the vast literature
abounding concerning the gas chambers it is said that the room had
to be washed down after every “gassing” due to the blood, body
fluids, and other residues. As the ramp led DOWN into the alleged gas
chamber, one could harly imagine the residues being washed UP the long
ramp. So there HAD to be drains. Ergo, Bimko LIED.
>

. Once he has done so and, of course, apologized to
>
> the readers of this group for the misleading and falacious statements

It is you who needs to apologize or crawl away in shame……

> While he is doing this he might wish to have someone explain
> Avogadro’s principle, Dalton’s Law of Partial Pressures, and
> Graham’s Law of Diffusion.( Hint: “…the gas will tend to rise.” )

No need. You have simply become caught up in the lies of
your perjuring witnesses again, and I will not be drawn in to
a non debate over issues which are designed prima facie to
draw attention away from the glaring lies.

He who defends the liar, defends the lie……..
If you can’t believe the messengers, how can you believe the
message….
All we are saying, is give truth a chance….
The truth or not the truth, THAT is the question
The truth and ALL the truth, that is the answer.
rb
> rb
>

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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> >> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [Matt Giwer using the forged userid]
> >> >> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
>
> >> [snip]
>
> >> >> You silly shit. Ediken is a liar, McVay is a liar, Keren is a liar. We
> >> >> know that.
>
> >> >> We are all dumbshit little liars.
>
> >> >Thanks for finally admitting it, silly little liar.
>
> >> You responded to a forged post from Matt Giwer.
>
> >> While we’re on the topic, do you think Matt Giwer’s recent spate of
> >> forgeries is conducive to open debate?
>
> >Can’t you see we’re playing with you? Silly people.
>
> Pardon me? Are you saying that you were a party to forging my name and
> userid on posts to alt.revisionism?
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
> –

>
>>>>
Think whatever you like-you do anyway. Paranoid kook.
Fact is, I have NO ties to Mr. Giwer at all, nor do I care
what he does. That is your problem.

From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:02:55 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >You think you are so clever don’t you? Well, I am not an anti-semite,
> >so why don’t you, the champion of “good evidence” post the proof
> >where I have ever said anything evil about the Jews as a race?
>
> I don’t have to, Blackmoron. The readers of this newgroup can figure it
> out for themselves. If you’re incapable of seeing the truth about
> yourself, you’re pathetic. Amazing how predictably antisemites whine
> about being called antisemites.

Give it a break.
>
> >This isn’t quite the situation. I think that some of what
> >most authors right is plain old propaganda, it is fact
> >often mixed with fiction, fantasy, and wishful thinking.
> >My job, as I see it, is to sort through it all and separate
> >the wheat from the chaff.
>
> No. What you do is pick out isolated, out-of-context facts from sources
> you otherwise castigate as liars.

Indeed I have proven many of them to be liars. And you
and your ilk have been quoting out of context for the
past 50 years. People do not need your imprimatur in order
to evaluate a text.
>
>>>>

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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >where I have ever said anything evil about the Jews as a race?
> >
> To quote your insinuations: (Facts, not insinuations)
>
> “Gee, who was Roosevelts closest advisor?
> Bernie Baruch
>
> Who in Roosevelt’s cabinet called for what
> amounted to the entire
> extirpation
> of the entire German race?
>
> Morgenthau.
>
> Who was Great Britain’s Minister of War?
>
> Hore Belisha.
>
> How many Jews fought against Germany
> during the war?
>
> 1.5 million. And they weren’t armed with Bagels…..”

And who wrote Annie Hall?

Woody Allen.

And who sang “Positively Fourth Street?”
Bob Dylan

And who sang “Over the Rainbow”?

Judy Garland

And what is my favorite sitcom?

Seinfeld.

And who was one of the most beautiful Hollywood
actresses of all time?

Hedy Lamar……

Gee, you sure have a funny way of defining
anti-Semites, Mike. About as accurate as your
interpretation of history/By the way, where did
I say anything about the Jews as a race in any
of the above?
>
>
rb

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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>

Now do you deny that Bernie Baruch was Roosevelt’s
closest advisor?
> >
Do you deny that Morgenthau called for the virtual
destruction of the German people?>
>
Do you deny that Hore belisha was Great Britains
Minister of War?
>
Do you deny that 1.5 million Jews served in the armed
forces of many different countries and fought against
the Nazis during WW II?>

rb>

>
>

>

From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:02:57 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
rblackmore writes:

Seems that the Nazis just couldn’t build those gas chambers
> >fast enough during the final weeks of the war–“I’m ready
> >for my close up, Mr. DeMille….”
>
Or is he insinuating
> that gas chambers did not exist in Dachau, Natzweiler and
> Neuengamme?
>
> If this is what he claims, he is totally deluded .

No. You are deluded, and You are deluding people. These
camps had NO gas chambers.
>
> [Page 222 — Reference 1]
>
> “Langsshnitt durch, eine Entlausungkammer mit
> Degesch-Kreislanufanordnung”
>
> signifies and why this unusual device is installed several times
> in another section of the crematorium. Mr. Blackmore can’t
> and won’t explain this.

Yes. I will. Sections of Dachau were rebuilt AFTER the war.
Also, you have claimed that prisoners were indeed gassed in
these alleged gas chambers at Dachau and that the autopsy and
toxicological reports are available. yet, for months now you have
never produced them. The browsers are aware of that fact also.
>
> 2) Natzweiler was so obviously used as a gas chamber that there
> is a document written by the Nazis:

Confirm this document is authentic. where did it come from, who found
it, was it signed, of so, by whom, and where is the wirtten response to
the inquiry or statement? Your “documents” are NOT documents until
proven so beyond the shadow of a doubt.
>
> [page 199 — Reference 2]
>
> “On 26 September 1943 the construction department
> of the Natzweiler camp, managed by the Waffen SS and
> police, sent the following bil

And where does this document mention that this was a lethal
gas chamber to be used to carry out executions? The construction
department of the SS processed many similar orders for gas chambers
for delousing. even if this particular chamber was a lethal one, which
you need to prove-there is nothing illegal in the State using this form
of execution for those condemned to death. we use gas chambers in
America for the same purpose. They are called “legal executions”.
Aside from that, if you are referring to the so-called Jewish-Bolshevist
Communist-allegation, I think it rather foolish to construct a gas chamber
for only 80 odd people, when they could have simply been given
a phenol shot. Sounds like propaganda to me. And I have read
about the construction of this alleged “gas chamber”. If what I
read is indeed true then I denounce the accusation most emphatically.
>
> To which we add the testimony of Josef Kramer:

Yes. kramer was brutalized by his captors. Witches also testified
to making potions out of the eyes of newts and boiled down baby fat.
His testimony does you no good.
>
> [Pages 173-175 — Reference 3]

did you quite
> deliberately gas 80 prisoners in that gas chamber? – Yes, on
> orders of Reichsfuhrer Himmler.”

And where are these orders?
>
> 3) To end this small exercise in unmasking Mr. Blackmore’s deceit,
> we will go to Neuengamme.

On the contrary, it is not my “deceit” which is unmasked, but your
low level of common sense, along with no proof to back up your
claims.
>
> [Page 193 — Reference 2]
>
> “It has been proved that two gassing operations took place
> at the Neuengamme camp near Hamburg

Who proved this? When? Where? How? Documentation?

Soviet prisoners of war from Fallingbostel POW camp in the
> Luneberg Heath were brought to Neuengamme, and were
> killed as soon as they arrived.
Proof?
>
> “In Neuengamme there were no gas chambers, properly speaking.
> What was known as the ‘bunker’ was used:

So, they were “gassed” in a bunker?

. It was made gastight and new doors installed, along with
> a system of heating pipes that served for distributing the gas
> and
> for ventilation. […]”

And you have these orders for construction, which prove this
was a facility to kill human beings?
>
> Reference 1:
>
> _AUSCHWITZ: 1270 to the Present_
>
Have it. Rehashes the SOS.
>
> Reference 2:
>
> _NAZI MASS MURDER_
> Eugen Kogon, Hermann Langbein & Adalbert Ruckerl, Editors
>
Have it and you criticized when I quoted from it
regarding Goering and the “Final Solution”, but now you run into
their arms to support your unsupportable contentions.
>
> Reference 3:
>
> _TRIAL OF JOSEF KRAMER AND FORTY-FOUR OTHERS_
> (The Belsen Trial)
>
As this last tome seems to be the present favorite of Mr. Blackmore,

It is a source just like any other. I have no favorites.

> perhaps he could count the number of times that one of the defendants
> admits to visiting, seeing, using, or building gas chambers.

Yes, as credible as the testimony of witches in Montague Sommers
books.
>

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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> “Annie Alpert, OFB” writes:
> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >> > > And it appears that Morgenthau was elated with Mr. Kaufman’s
> >> > book as well.
> >> > rb
> >> > > —
> >> Prove it.
> >>
> >
> >>
> >>>>>
> >Would you believe he told me?
>
> You have no credibility up to this point. the answer is no.
>
>
> Mike Curtis
>

>>>>
Is your name Annie?

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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >It did mention 4 million dead. How many of them were Jews,
> >Yale? Then break down the rest of the figures by nationality,
> >religion, and exact numbers.
>
> First, no one has exact numbers. Second, the figure is wrong.
> About three million can be considered immigrants from Oz,
> Wonderland, Narnia and Barsoom. Choose your own breakdown.
>
> Most of the rest–the real ones–were Jews.
>
>>>>
As usual, you are wrong. Must I always educate you?
The figures are indeed broken down in the same book I
quoted and the people from Oz turn out to be Jews, not Gentiles.
Sorry to rain on your little parade. And don’t ask me to do your
research for you. Find the book and read it for yourself, like I
had to.

“All we are saying, is give truth a chance.”

rb

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:

>
> I’m sure he feels fine, but you and your team must feel pretty stupid right
> now. You have implied that the Allies tortured Hoess and _forced_ him to
> write memoirs in which he
>
> – talked about them having tortured him
> – gave a _lower_ figure for people killed in Auschwitz than the Russians had
> given
>
> You guys are desperate.
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Don’t feel so smug, because at this point the figures are irrelevant.
The point is torture was used and Hoess is simply a liar, who
ended up not giving a damn what he wrote, whether it confirmed
his earlier statements or didn’t. His whole testimony isn’t worth a
plug nickel. Get it? It is you who should be feeling ridiculous, as
your advocates have always snipped and quoted from Hoess
whenever it supported their twisted and deranged interpretation
of the Holocaust. You and your crowd are losing the argument
day by day, and the sad thing is, you don’t even seem to notice.
Just like the lemmings…….

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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> >>

>

>
> Well, since you have to maintain that all of the eyewitnesses had to
> be lying, that all of the SS guards who confessed to murdering people
> with poison gas were tortured into saying so, that the stated
> intentions of the Wannsee minutes and Himmler’s Posen speech
> are–what? misunderstood?–, that the documents which mention “cellars
> for gassing” and “gas chambers” must be forgeries, that the SS built
> 52 crematories that, by their own exaggerated estimates, could have
> disposed of the entire camp population several times a year, I would
> have to guess that additional corroborating evidence has no purchase
> with you.

If I want my opinion, I’ll ask you for it.
>
> I would also have to say that what you presume to call “research” is
> nothing more than a desperate search for props to a quasi-religious
> conviction that the Nazis weren’t really such bad chaps after all.
> Whatever it is, it sure ain’t historical research.
>

If anyone has a belief based upon faith it is you, because your
old train schedules and bills are NO evidence for murder, whine
and whimper all you like.
> —
>

From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:03:01 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> # That’s fine. Don’t answer. You’re a lying scum bag anyway.
>
> Nazi-boy here is furious that his lie about the writing on
> the monument at Auschwitz was exposed. Of course, he claimed
> it was an “honest mistake”. But he also claimed to have with
> him a photograph of the monument…
>
> Standard nazi-boy routine. When their lies are exposed, it’s
> always an “honest mistake”, never mind it is totally unclear
> how one could make such a mistake.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
What excuse do you have for the trash you post?

From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:03:02 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Rblackmore Lies for the nth time… Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> : > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>
> : > (1) why you made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding
> : > the SWC
> :
> : Its my opinion and my belief until you prove otherwise.
>
> RBlackmore/JBelling has carnal knowledge of sheep. That is my opinion
> and my belief until he proves otherwise.
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
Stop barking and go back to bed with your mama/

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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:

>

>
> If I consider your struggle here, I have no need to come back with a
> thing.

Don’t bother. You’d be wasting everyone’s time.
You and your little liar Bimbo can go peddle your
lies elsewhere as they have been completely exposed.
>
>
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:03:03 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Do you have proof 3 million Soviet prisoners of war died? That
> >conflicts with Stalin’s statements to Churchill and Truman at Potsdam
> >that 5 million Soviet troops died during the war, as opposed to 3.5
> >-4 million Germans.
>
> Do you have proof that 3.5 to 4 million German troops died? BTW, do you
> understand that “Soviet prisoners of war who died” might be a subset
> rather than the totality of “Soviet troops who died”?
>
> >Ezra Pound also made broadcasts from Italy to the US, and was
> >treated like a caged animal after the war ended, all for calling
> >Roosevelt “stinky”
>
> Ezra Pound got off with an unlikely insanity plea probably due to
> respect for his age and his erstwhile literary merits. His “cage”
> was quite nice. Among the treasonous statements that landed him
> there:
>
> Had you had the sense to eliminate Roosvelt and his Jews or
> the Jews and their Roosevelt at the last election, you would
> not now be at war. [23 April 1942]
>
> Every hour that you go on with this war is an hour lost to
> you and your children. And every sane act you commit is committed
> in homage to Mussolini and Hitler. Every reform, every lurch
> toward the just price, toward the control of a market, is an
> act of homage to Mussolini and Hitler. They are your leaders,
> however much you think you are conducted by Roosevelt or told up
> by Churchill. You follow Mussolini and Hitler in every
> constructive act of your government. [26 May 1942]
>
> See E. Fuller Torrey’s THE ROOTS OF TREASON: EZRA POUND AND THE
> SECRETS OF ST. ELIZABETH’S (London: Sidgwick & Jackson, 1984) for
> more information on this traitor and his alleged punishment.
>
>>>>
Pound was entitled to his own opinions. He never voted for roosevelt.

From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:03:04 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Papa Eicke Speaks
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On June 4, 1937, Theodore Eicke, SS General
and Inspector of the Concentration Camps issued
an internal circular in which he anounced that the
SS does not tolerate mistreatment of concentration camp inmates.

In a section headed “Mistreatment of Prisoners,” Eicke
announces that an SS sergeant named Zeidler was
being punished because, “in a sadistic mood,” he had
struck a prisoner at the Sachsenhausen concentration
camp “in a nasty way.” After demotion to the lowest
SS rank, Zeidler was permanently dismissed from the
SS, and then turned over to a criminal judge.

From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 07:03:05 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Concerning the so-called “Malmedy Case” English
author Michael Reynolds writes:

“Prosecution attempts to prove that orders had been issued
before the offensive for the troops not to take prisoners
were far from convincing- it was well known that Peiper’s
Kampfgruppe had sent scores of American prisoners to the
rear during the early part of its advance.

A major witness for the Defence was Hal McCowan
who testified that peiper and his men treated the
American POWs in La Gleize quite reasonably considering
the circumstances.

If someone was known to have been a member of the SS,
Waffen or otherwise, he was considered by most people to
be guilty of crimes against humanity and deserving of
punishment; and so it was with Hitler’s Life Guards-the
surviving members of the Leibstandarte had been tried
and found guilty in the minds of most of the world war II
victors long before they appeared at Dachau!

There can be little doubt that today most of the evidence
presented at the Dachau trial would be rejected by any
court, civilian or military, in any democratic country.

End of Quotes

Source: The Devil’s Adjutant, Michael Reynolds,
Sarpedon Publishing, N.Y. 1995, pg. 255, 257.

Note: The author was a Major General in the
British Armed Forces, who retired as a professional
soldier in 1986. He commanded NATO’s International
Mobile Force and was the Director of its Military Plans
and Policy Division.

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Subject: Moshe Brause leads his people out of the Vilna Ghetto
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According to Isaac Kowalski in “A Secret Press in
Nazi Europe”,:

“After they waited in hiding for two or three hours,
the favorable moment arrived, with the approached
of a large transport train rushing soldiers to the front.
When the transport came near enough to the partisan
ambush, Moshe Brause pulled the cord which set off
a tremendous explosion, derailing and turning over
dozens of cars.

The three partisans saw a huge burst of fire from
exploding ammunition and heard the screams of
wounded German soldiers.

Brause and the others kissed and embraced with
joy and quickly withdrew deeper into the woods.
Soon after that they returned to the ghetto by
roundabout ways.

One scout learned later from nearby peasants that
more than 200 German soldiers had been killed, and
an even larger number were wounded in the first
sabotage action carried out by the members of the U. P. O.-
Jews confined in the Vilna ghetto. Pg. 73, 74.

Comment: It wasn’t long after many other incidents like these
that Himmler ordered the ghettoes cleared out.

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When Dachau fell into Western hands in 1945, it had to look
the part, so, under the inspiration of Philip Auerbach, Under-
Secretary of State in the provincial government of Bavaria,
it was transformed into a showplace of horrors.

Near the entrance stood a big fir tree with a horizontal
bough. On the orders of American Captain Strauss,
German prisoners of war worked the bough with ropes to
damage the bark. Auerbach then proclaimed it the “Hanging
Tree,” and said that 10,000 Jews had been hung on its bough.

The workers received orders to dig a blood-pit with a drain
pipe for draining off the blood, because it must be made to appear
that here Jewish blood had been flowing in streams. The shower-
baths, dressing rooms and reception halls had to be rebuilt so that they
should appear like gas-chambers. For the sake of achieving this
appearance, a special separate concrete structure was built
with small porthole-like openings, and these contraptions are
still on show today (1958-rb) purporting to demonstrate that the killing
“death gas” was let in through these portholes.”

…Jews converted this camp into a chamber of horrors……

Comment: Sounds just like Hollywood, doesn’t it?

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From: “Chronicle of the 20th Century, Chronicle
Publications, N.Y., 1987, pg. 583:

“Untold thousands of others were asphyxiated in
the gas chambers of Auschwitz by Nazis intent
on “purifying” the German race. The gas was turned
off last November.”

From [email protected] Mon Oct 21 09:23:04 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Miloslav Bilik) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Miloslav Bilik) writes:
> >>
>
> >> Bye for now, Watson.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >Ta ta and cheerio.
>
> Very funny. You said, Watson:
>
> >You have no other
> >evidence to prove the alleged gassings at natzweiler.
>
> I told what kind of evidences we have. You didn’t ask for precisions,
> obviously because we are in an atypic case, the nazies left us the
> documents, the cellar, the witnesses and even a lot of corpses and
> some other material. It’s true that the battle front moved very fast
> at this time..
>
> When you will be ready, let me know. It will be a pleasure to help
> your historical research and give you some quotations with references.
>
>
>>>>
I’ll let you know.

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Date: 21 Oct 1996 02:56:47 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> >> [email protected] writes:
> >>
> >> >> BTW, what was a “Sonderkommando”? What were the duties of a
> >> >> “Sonderkommando”? Clerical? Janatorial?
> >>
> >> >You know what the duties of a Sonderkommando was-disposal
> >> >of the dead. Don’t play coy.
> >>
> >> Funny thing. I worked in a prison for five years. We didn’t designate
> >> anybody–inmate or staff–as official dead-disposer. Why do you think
> >> that such an “office” was necessary in German “labor” camps?
> >>
> >>>>>
> >Why do you? I reckon you could have used a few
> >at Andersonville.
>
> The Confederate prison camp for Union soldiers, the one whose
> superintendent was later hanged for mistreatment of the prisoners
> in his care? (Hm, where did that superintendent hail from?)
> Funny you should bring this up this comparison, which is all in
> all pretty apt.
>
>>>>
Hmmmm. Not at all, the SS themselves executed Goeth, Koch, and
other camp commanders who abused the prisoners under their
charge. Rascher was also executed by the SS.

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> Brian Harmon writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >

> > > > scam, plain and simple. The dream is over.
> > >
> > > Garbage. Piper’s study began in 1980, many years before
> > > David Cole made his trip to Auschwitz.
>
> > Right. And it took 10 years for them to correct the
> > obvious. Give us a break.
>
> Wrong. Historians _outside_ the iron curtain knew that
> this four million figure was too high as early as the
> 1950s and 60s.

Really? Then explain why nathan Ausubel gave a fraudulent
figure of 4 million Jewish dead at Auschwitz in his “Pictorial
History of the Jewish People?
>
> Piper’s study was first presented in 1986, and it was not
> until Soviet influence on Poland ended that the museum changed
> its erroneous figure.

So then you will refer us to a source from, say, the Wiesenthal Center,
which proves they denounced the figure as fraudulent before that time.
>
> The ‘obvious error’ was not maintained by any Jewish cabal, but
> by the Soviets themselves.

Why are you mentioning a cabal?
>
> —
>
rb

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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
>
> >I’ve never heard of this article and am not particularly bothered. Did you
> >hear the one about the Auschwitz inmate who was allowed to ice skate on a
> >lake ten miles away unsupervised? I thought not.
>
> Feel free to educate us all. I guess you just don’t want to tell us
> why you think someone’s memories of an after-dinner Rotary Club
> speech are adequate documentation to accuse the U.S. armed forces of
> crushing the testicles of 137 helpless German murderers of U.S.
> prisoners of war.
>
>>>>
Oh-so you maintain that 137 men shot the Americans at Malmedy?
I should think someone should go and arrest the crew who dropped
the atomic bomb on hundreds of thousands of civilians. What do
you think? Do you condone it?

From [email protected] Tue Oct 22 07:41:23 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:

>
> ——————-
> When you arise in the morning,………(snip)

When you arise in the morning…contact the Discovery Channel,
then contact WW II magazine, then contact Nathan Ausubel,
then contact F. Piper, then contact the Ex-members of the
“Soviet Extraordinary Commission”, the same “commission”
appointed by Stalin to condemn the Germans for the murders
at Katyn, then contact an out of print book publisher to
order “A Gallery of Nazis”, then contact Rupert Butler in
England and request a copy of his recorded interview with
Clarke, Hoess’s torturer, then contact………your psychiatrist
and ask him for some sedatives.

rb

From [email protected] Tue Oct 22 07:41:24 PDT 1996
Article: 76308 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>
> > > Fleming is the deniers’ bane. His work is monumentally sourced, full of
> > > footnotes, a monument of scholarship. It is easy to see why the deniers fear
> > > him. He cannot be rebutted, since his sources are all first-hand. Real
> > > piss-off, right Mr. “Blackmore”?
>
> > I have read more than you have on this subject, and
> > I don’t agree with your darling Fleming. Only a stupid
> > person would but into his claptrap. Fleming’s sources
> > are as phoney as he is.
>
> Only a rather stupid person would be fooled by Giwer’s forgeries.
>
> You were.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Think so?

From [email protected] Tue Oct 22 19:05:07 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: 21 Oct 1996 02:54:14 GMT
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>
> >.
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> ——————-
> >> When you arise in the morning, give thanks for the morning light, for your
> >> life and your strength. Give thanks for your food and for the joy of living.
> >> If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies in yourself.
> >>
> >>>>>
> >When you arise in the morning, you ought to go straight
> >back to bed….saves you the humiliations you’re bound
> >to encounter during the day…….Mr. “Gandhi”, the Guru
> >of lies.
>
> If I were him I’d give up by now.
>
> Kurt Stele
>
>
>>>>
He can’t. He’s addicted.

From rb[email protected] Tue Oct 22 23:08:01 PDT 1996
Article: 76436 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Allied atrocities–stainless Stele forgery?….Not Quite…
Date: 21 Oct 1996 02:44:38 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Lieutenant Colonel Willis N. Everett, Jr., an
> >American lawyer…(snip)

>
> Well, that’s what defense attorneys are for, isn’t it?

Ask Yale Edeikin.
>
> >The Supreme Court refused his petition, saying it
> >lacked jurisdiction (!-rb) over the acts committed by
> >the United States Army in Germany,….

> You dubious interpretation. If you tell me where to find the text
> of the decision (I presume you’ve read it and are basing your
> interpretation on the text of the decision) (just joking, I in
> fact assume you’ve done so such thing), I’d be interested in
> reading it myself.

If this is what you think Mr. Flower, find it and look it up
for yourself.
>
>
> >Colonel Everett’s action, nevertheless, forced the Army
> >to take notice,

>
> Uh-huh. Now, as I understand, they wound up issuing something
> called the Simpson Report, which found the charges of brutality
> basically bogus. True or untrue?

Did you read the whole report as well as all the comments made by
the Judge? Do that, then make your own opinion.

>
> >….Judge van Roden, after his return to the United States,
> >gave a series of lectures and after-dinner speeches in
snip

>
> If indeed he signed on to an official report to the contrary,
> can you tell me why, exactly, you prefer his after-dinner tales
> of terror? What, exactly, is your reason for assuming one is
> the truth, the other a lie?

It is a fair question, but the fact as such was stated by the Judge
on many occasions. What may have gone on behind the scenes
at the Simpson Proceedings, I do no know.

]. Speaking
> >to the Chester Pike Rotary Club on December 14, 1948,
>
> Where can I find a compete transcript of this speech?

Most likely through the newspaper which quoted it.
There was more text in the source I took it from, but I haven’t
gotten around to posting it yet. You also might want to refer
to the recent book “The Devil’s Adjutant” by Michael Reynolds,
who wrote the following:

Prosecution attempts to prove that orders had been issued
before the offensive for the troops not to take prisoners were
far from unconvincing-it was well known that Peiper’s Kampfgruppe
had sent scores of American prisoners to the rear during the early
part of its advance…..A major witness for the defence was Hal McCowan
who testified that Peiper and his men treated the American POW’s in
LaGleize quite reasonably considering the circumstances. Page 255.

He further writes on Page 257:

There can be little doubt that today most of the evidence presented
at the Dachau Trial would be rejected by any court, civilian or military,
in any democratic company.

>
> >Judge van Roden said, “All but two of the Germans in the
> >139 cases we investigated had been kicked in the testicles
> >beyond repair. This was standard operating procedure
> >with our American investigators.

>
> I don’t suppose you can give me a list of these 137 unfortunates?

I could, if you want to send money to cover the cost of the service.
>
> >Source: “The High Cost of Vengeance, Freda Utley,
> >Henry Regnery Company, Chicago, 1949, pg. 186,187.
>
> Hm, yes, Freda Utley. Found one of her books in the local library
> today (not that one, I’m afraid) (snip hateful irrelevant drivel)
.

Thanks for your input, its even less impressive than your output.
>
>
….Seems like
> >a pattern is emerging, or should I say, a POLICY.
>
> Would you care to describe the context of this dubious narrative?
> Did it concern the persecution of Jews?

Let’s see…..were blacks prohibited from drinking from the same
water fountains as whites in America’s southern states decades after the
Nuremberg trials had ended? Were Black students
refused educational benefits? Were black professionals denied the right
to practice their professions in white firms? Did blacks
have to ride at the back of the bus? Well, we could go on and on about
mistreatment of minorities and end with a prime example of Palestine’s
role in the mid-east today. Would you like to do that, Mr. Flower?

Or making
> homos wear little pink triangles?

Homos? At any rate, they were compelled to wear them in camps
after they were probably arrested on a regular old morals charge.
Seems the camp officials wanted other inmates to know who was standing
in back of them should they ever “drop the soap” in the shower……

What was this, er, Malmedy
> business all about? Care to tell us what these Germans were being
> accused of? And, er, convicted of? And, er, goddam guilty of?

Not quite, as the new book by British Major General Michael
Reynolds honestly points out. Seems like only hateful diehards
like yourself think they can continue disseminating the old canards
of the past with impunity. Not so, any more….its a brave new world.
>
Those Kraut bastards
> murdered about a hundred helpless American prisoners of war.
(snip the rest)

Thanks for confirming what I just wrote.
>
> And what does this all have to do with Hoess? Was he among the
> accused of Malmedy?

Apparently you’re too dim witted to figure it out.

“In all this world , there is nothing more upsetting than
the clobbering of a cherished belief.”

rb

“All we are saying, is give truth a chance.”
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Tue Oct 22 23:08:02 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: 21 Oct 1996 02:53:04 GMT
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> >Gandhi’s vomit trashed
> >>
> >> Since you are the one who claims that more than 6 million innocents were
> >> not destroyed in the Nazi effort to fulfill Hitler’s agenda, the onus lies
> >> upon you to support your claims.
>
> >No it isn’t. Prove that six million died.
>
> All Gunga Din contributes to a.r. are mantric chants of “the 6 million died. The 6
> million died,” as if that helps or proves anything.
>
> I guess he’s relying to the old “if you say something long enough….” principle.
> But alt.revisionism just isn’t the place to be repeating “Six Million Died” without at
> least adding the minimum standard Holocaust pseudo-evidence appended thereto.
>
> Kurt Stele
>
>
>>>>
It is clear, our “Gandhi” is no Mahatma.
rb

From [email protected] Wed Oct 23 10:17:37 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
Date: 21 Oct 1996 10:58:54 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> Brian Harmon writes:
>
> >Well, ‘in your opinion’ Kramer did all he could to help
> >the inmates of Belsen, which included:
> >
> > – refusing to give them water
> > – refusing to give them food
> > – refusing to give them medical attention
>
> OK, so he was short a few supplies…
>
> > – forcing them to work without any of the above.
>
> But of course that was to keep their minds off the other problems!
> Nazi humanitarianism at its finest!
>
>>>>
You never know when to give up do you? Very well, it will
be back to the Belsen trial again. At the moment I am
perusing some more “survivor” testimony.

From [email protected] Wed Oct 23 10:17:38 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>

>
> You are fabricating again. You cannot say in one sentence that there
> was no food and in the next that the inmates were cooking food.
>
> > > Your opinions of how Kramer ‘helped’ the inmates are
> > > interesting, to put the matter lightly.
> >
> > They are facts, whether interesting or otherwise.
>
> They are lies you created to justify your hero worship.
>
>
> –YFE
>
>
>>>>
Yale, no one even takes you seriously any more….you
are the man who advised to give the inmates water from
cisterns which had rotting corpses and turds floating in
it……

From [email protected] Wed Oct 23 10:17:38 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > > Since you make the claim the onus is upon you. What in particular about the
> > > eyewitness testimonies and the physicial evidence do you find ‘absurd’,
> > > that lead you to the erroneous conclusion that more than 6 million jews,
> > > gypsies, political prisoners, homosexuals, and others were not killed ?
>
> [snip]
>
> > I have been posting it slowly but surely, and there will be more.
> > Top o the mornin to ya!
>
> You¹ve posted nothing which has not already been soundly refuted.
>
>
>>>>
Daydream believer…….

From [email protected] Wed Oct 23 13:22:41 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Add Yale Edeiken to the Discovery Channel
Date: 21 Oct 1996 01:46:52 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> Blackmoron, are you completely nuts? Yale and everyone else
> have been telling you that 1) the 4 million figure is false
> (you’re beating a dead horse) and 2) the figure seems to have
> been disseminated by the Polish Communist government in an
> attempt to obscure the fact that the majority of victims were
> Jewish. Your quotes do nothing to change this. Read them.
> Where are Jews mentioned?
>
> Your victory-crowing with a quote which supports you not in the
> slightest is grotesque. What’s wrong with you, anyway?
>
>>>>
Apparently what’s wrong with you is worse than what is wrong
with me. Fool, my point was, how many of the 4,000,000 given
by the Polish Commission referred to non-Jews specifically? If
you break it down, you will see that the OVERWHELMING majority
of these faked figures were still claimed to be Jews.
Also, here is the figure given by the Jewish author Nathan Ausubel
in his widely disseminated book, “The Pictorial History of the Jewish people”
which went through more than 11 editions and repeated the same
lie over and over again:

“…in Oswiecim and its subsidiary plants, almost 4,000,000 Jewish
lives were snuffed out.” Page 261.

BTW, I win so many victories on alt.revisionism that I have no
need to “crow” about it. It is only dyed in the wool fanatics like
yourself who refuse to budge an inch, even when your nose is
shoved in the truth.

Now, go take two aspirins and call me in the morning.

rb

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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>
>
(snip)
>
> (b) When you find that you are unable to adduce evidence to support your
> claim as noted above, will you retract the statement and admit your error ?
>
> ——————-
>
>>>>
Note that all these questions have been answered over and over again
and Gandhi refuses to accept the answers he is given. I urge people
to access Deja News and read all my replies for themselves. Now, to
Mr. Gandhi-will you now admit that you grossly misrepresent my communications
to you without regard for truth or the explanations you have been given
over and over again.
rb

From [email protected] Thu Oct 24 08:20:03 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
That is impossible. There is no such opinion and blackmore has been
> caught — again — distorting a source beyond all recognition.
>
>
(snip)
> In short, blackmore’s contention that the Supreme Court’s refusal to
> hear the Malmedy petition places the military government in Germany “above the
> law” is nonsense based either upon his legal ignorance or his willful distortion of
> the law.
>
> –YFE
>
In fact, there was no “law”.
All these technicalities of which Mr. Edeikin writes are simply
another ploy to divert the reader’s attention away from the facts.
It is a rather obvious ploy which Mr. Edeikin uses over and over
again. No one is being fooled by it. Mr. Edeikin is a lawyer after
all, but a lawyer with an axe to grind. The facts are exactly as I
quoted them. The legal precedent for these trials were set at Nuremberg,
where in the original charter, Paragraph VII of Ordinance No. 7, we find:

“The Tribunals shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. They
shall adopt and apply to the greatest extent expeditious and non-technical
procedure, and shall admit any evidence which they deem to have
probative value. Without limiting the foregoing general rules, the
following shall be deemed admissible if they appear to the tribunal
to contain information of probative value relating to the charges:
affadavits, depositions, interrogations, and other statements, diaries,
letters, records, findings, statements and judgments of the military
tribunals and the reviewing and confirming authorities of any of the
United Nations, and copies of any document, if the original is not readily
available or cannot be produced without delay. The tribunal shall afford
the opposing party such opportunity to question the authenticity or
probative value of such evidence as in the opinion of the tribunal the
ends of justice require.”

So, here is the precedent in a nutshell: The tribunals shall NOT be
bound by “technical rules of evidence”…..Of course not, otherwise
the accused might have received a fair trial, especially when an
accusation must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. The intent
and actual purpose of the tribunal was clear: They were to “apply to
the greatest possible extent expeditious and non technical procedure”,
in other words, to railroad the defendants to a final condemnatory judgment.
Then we have the list of items deemed appropriate as “admissible”. These
are:

1. Affadavits (Thousands of affadavits were submitted and the accused were
not allowed the right to confront their accusers.)

2. Depostions (Ditto).

3. Interrogations (We all have been seeing how many of these “interrogations”
were conducted.

4. Copies of documents if the originals were not “available”….
This is a carte blanche for forgeries.

Indeed, the accused were allowed the “right” to question the authenticity
of the “documents” but the final decision rested with the victors.

Note further:

“The Judges were also given the right to be informed beforehand
of any evidence to be presented by the defense, and could refuse to
allow it if they did not consider it “relevant”.

How convenient for the prosecution!

Dr. Kranzbuehler, attorney for the Krupp family, availed himself of the
rare opportunity to protest such measures. He said:

“These defendants have no constitutional rights. It has been
confirmed again and again to them that the guarantees given
in American procedure are not applicable to them…..”

On February 27, 1948, Kranzbuehler sent a telegram to President
Truman saying that “all endeavors to secure a fair trial” had been
frustrated “on account of rules originating from American military
authorities,” and appealing to the President of the United States
for “help and relief.” His appeal was not answered.

These are the real facts concerning Nuremberg. Mr. Edeikin’s
“Dirty Dancing” fools no one who has access to the whole truth,
something he seeks to conceal and distort on a more or less
continual basis. My question is “why”?

Quotes taken from: “The High Cost of Vengeance” by
Freda Utley, Henry Regnery Co., Chicago, Ill. 1949, pg.
169-176, respectively.

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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
<[email protected]> from [email protected],

>If this is what you think Mr. Flower, find it and look it up
> >for yourself.

No need. It’s since been confirmed by Yale Edeiken that you don’t
> have a clue about the basis for the Supreme Court’s decision not
> to intervene.

Mr. Edeikin, whose very profession produces contempt in most people.
Not quite. I have replied to Mr. Edeikin’s disinformation.
You choose odd bed-fellows, Mr. Power. Instead of
seeking after truth you choose to pursue lies and
distortions. However, this is all you have, and you
must live with your lies if you make the choice to
propagate them.
>
I don’t have the report, as was obvious from my post. Your
> reluctance to answer is itself a sort of answer, though.

It is the sort of answer you don’t like, of course, as the
burden of research is placed upon you.
>
> >> Where can I find a compete transcript of this speech?
> >
> >Most likely through the newspaper which quoted it.
>
> I tried that, remember? The cite was bogus.

So now you choose to lie with the rest of your companions?
That’s ok by me. The cite was not and is not bogus. Your
claim to have researched it is bogus. No one is being fooled
by your pathetic chicanery.
>
> >> I don’t suppose you can give me a list of these 137 unfortunates?
> >
> >I could, if you want to send money to cover the cost of the service.
>
> What service? Yours, for keying in 137 names? No thanks.

Then why did you ask?
>
> >Let’s see…..were blacks prohibited from drinking from the same
> >water fountains as whites in America’s southern states decades after the
> >Nuremberg trials had ended? etc

The alleged prosecutorial conduct in the Malmedy trial
> is completely irrelevant.

No, it isn’t.

And what does this all have to do with Hoess? Was he among the
> >> accused of Malmedy?
> >
> >Apparently you’re too dim witted to figure it out.
>
> Apparently you’re too smart to try to answer.

Apparently you’re too dishonest to admit your own deceptions.
>
>
>>>>

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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >
> >2. I would say that the Nazis treatment of the Jewish
> >people was similar to America’s treatment of Native Americans.
> >
>
> Oh, please, tell me about this history. Let’s start at the very
> beginning. BTW, the beginning is the 16th century coast.
>
>
>
>>>>
Later. BTW, I also, am an authority on this subject. I would
suggest that you start a new discussion group. However, I doubt
whether we will have differing opinions on this particular subject.

rb

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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >Here is some more “survivor testimony” i.e., more LIES< > >taken from “The Belsen Trial” pages 103, 105:
> >
Look at these people and see whom you can recognize? – I
> etc Also I collected a pair of jackboots and for this I
> received 25 strokes.
>
> Mr. Blackmore’s utter lack of humanity is patently displayed. Is he
> a believer in this sort of physical punishment?

Mr. G was punished for stealing. Who knows what else he did…steal
food perhaps from other hungry inmates. As you know these types of
offenses were rather common in KZ’s. Also, I do not believe in corporal
punishment. Now, do you approve of the way Germans were interrogated
and mistreated by the allies?

The first picture is titled “One of the victims of typhus
> inside a hut.”

What has this to do with the credibility of Mr. G? Also, typhus
was there after the german administration surrendered. More
“dirty dancing”.

This picture shows an emaciated woman
> aged 30 to 50 with deep drawn, haunted eyes and
> a babushka tied around her head. Would Mr. Blackmore
> liked for his grandmother to be treated this way?

Perhaps she was…..

More so
> had she been innocent of any crime?

My grandmother never committed any crimes. Also, these are
obvious ploys desgined to elicit an emotional response in the
reader, rather than deal with the lies of Mr. G.
>
> The second picture is entitled “Utter squalor prevails in
> the living quarters.”

This is an admitted fact. It was also testified to at the Belsen
Trial that many of the inmates themselves were responsible
for much of the filth and squalor prevailing in the camp.

Perhaps Mr. Blackmore
> would accept that his mother, daughter or wife should be
> treated this way.

More attempts to elicit emotional responses. Deal with Mr. G.
>
> The photographs facing page 105 are equally dramatic if,
> for nothing else, because of the obvious contrast:

The men appear to be in good physical
> condition and well-fed

And? They weren’t ill with typhus or enteritis or dysentery. If
they were, they would resemble the inmates who became ill, and
who were recently shipped to Belsen from other camps, where they
brought the illness with them and carried it into the camp.
>
> The second picture is titled: “S.S. women were also made to
> work [presumably by their Britsh captors – comment mine].
> These women were the equivalent of the man for brutality.

Let’s discuss it. perhaps some of them were cruel. perhaps some of
the inmates were cruel as well. there were many common criminals
in these camps.

> The picture shows five women (and the half-hidden face of
> what appears to be a man), all of whom are fine specimens
> of Aryan ‘beauty’.

Is this supposed to be an ethnic slur?

Well-dressed in their uniforms, these
> ladies look quite fit and well-fed.

Perhaps you would prefer to see them starving? Would you want that for
your mother or sister?

Two of these young ladies
> appear to have been, if one can employ a local colloquialism,
> “hit with an ugly stick.”

So it is an ethnic slur after all. Mike’s old double standard.
>
> When he is quite finished with these pictures, perhaps he can turn
> to the photographs

I have seen them all and I find it abhorrent, but these terrible
conditions are not the fault of Kramer or his staff. The fault lies
with higher authorities as well as in the catastrophic conditions
produced by the war and allied bombing in germany.
>
> Glinowieski’s testimony continues:

Finally!
>
> [Page 104]
>
> “What do you know about Weitgartner? – I worked with my
>
I was not
> allowed to se my brother. Later on he died. (At this point the witness
> broke down.)”

If this is true, then Weingartner should have been punished appropriately,
but we still need to hear his version of this incident. Also, Mr. G. has
already been demonstrated to be a thief and a fabricator, so I expect
there was more to this than meets the eye.
>
> >Cross examined by Major Winwood, pages 105, 106:
> >
> >Winwood: You mentioned an incident in October
> >or November, 1943,

> >A: No, it is not true.

Well, it is true. He lied and was caught lying.
> >
> >Q: In the statement you made to a British officer at Belsen,
> >why did you not mention this very painful incident?
> >
> >A: Because only photographs of the S.S. men were
> >shown to me and I was asked to say whether I could
> >not accuse any of them?”
> >
> >End of Quotes.
> >
> >Ha! Read it for yourselves. Another liar.
snip
> >
> >”If you can’t believe the messengers, how can you
> >believe the message?”
>
> It is quite possible that the witness was mistaken about the date.
> Let us analyse the witnesses words:

He stated quite emphatically that he remembered this incident. he
was a liar attempting to incriminate Kramer for something he could
not possibly have done.
>
> [Page 107]
>
> “[…] As a result of typhus do you find difficulty in
> remembering what you have said in the statement? – I remember
> everything but not the details.”

He remembered the details of his lie distinctly.
>
fact that the witness and Kramer _did_ coincide in Auschwitz for
> a considerable period.

Dirty dancing. Mr. G. lied and you don’t have the integrity to admit it.
>
>
the
> admissions by Kremer, Hoessler, Kleim and others that prisoners
> under their care were sent to the gas chambers and exterminated. In
> the final analysis, this is the part of the testimony that deniers
> dread.

In his first statement kramer denied that there ever were gas chambers.
You choose to believe the second statements after he had been in
“custody” for a while…..either way, by giving two completely differing
statements, we must disregard them both, otherwise his first statement
is more credible.

Not the accusations by witnesses or the testimonies and
> cross-examinations, but the free admission by Mr. Blackmore’s heroes
> that they contributed to the death of innocent victims.

Heroes?
>
> Mr. Blackmore and his cohorts are attempting to empty a sea of
> truth with their thimble of
>
> This looks like the sloppy work done by a previous contributor to this
> conference. He was careless with his sources.

You apparently are careless with the truth.
rb
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>

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> [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
> Mr. Blackmore said to Mr. McFee:
>
> >Is Suchomel still alive?

> Gosh, Mr. Blackmore! I have seen Suchomel’s interview (in
> “Shoah”) several times, and, lacking your vision, had
> completely failed to realize that the curtains on the windows
> were part of a jail cell! And that apartment house that the
> van parked in front of – obviously, since Suchomel was, er, in
> his “cell,” it was all faked, right?
>
> DAMN! Those Wascally Joos are clever! Here they produce a film
> so sneaky and so professional that us Zionist Lackies and
> Lickspittles (Local 144) were completely fooled – we believed
> that Mr. Suchomel was actually sitting in his _living room_!
>
> Can you believe it?
>
> Do you do that a lot, Mr. Blackmore? Talk about things you
> haven’t a clue about? Perhaps you should watch `Shoah’ before
> commenting further on Suchmel’s “jail cell,” eh?

I watched Shoah years ago.
>
> Whaddamoran.

Thanks for the info. Sucomel was in his living room? Answer yes
or no, and then let’s discuss this little issue. He was not and
is not under arrest? He has or has not been charged with murder,
or he has and was released? Seeing that you are so chock-full
of information on the subject, why don’t you enlighten us all?
If Suchomel is alive, as you imply, wy don’t you send me his
address by e-mail. I would love to interview him.
rb

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:01:45 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >> If you’re referring to the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I
> >> most certainly do condone them. Any more questions?
> >>
> >No. You gave the hypocritical answer I expected. Two-faced,
> >two standards, and a forked tongue. It’s amazing that you are blind
> >to your own double standard, but there it is in your own words for
> >the world to read. Why should I condemn you when you condemn
> >yours.
>
> Two standards? You compare the murder of prisoners of war to bombing
> an enemy who was waging an aggressive war. Your standards are that
> anything done by the Axis is forgivable, anything done by the Allies
> an atrocity.
>
>>>>
Don’t tell me what my standards are. If you wish to discuss the
murder of POW’s, let’s begin at Stalingrad….and you can inform
us why 90,000 Germans taken prisoner never made it back home.
Next we can discuss the 15,000 Poles murdered at katyn by your
humane “ally”, the Soviet Union. Next we can discuss the thousands
of German servicemen who perished in Eisenhower’s pow camps as
a result of starvation, neglect, and disease. Then we can discuss
the hundreds of Germans alleged to have committed suicide during
or shortly after their “interrogation”. Then let’s discuss the 60 Waffen
SS men shot to death in France before Malmedy EVER happened, as
was aired on a documentary on the Discovery Channel 2 months or so
ago. After we have discussed these points, I will be happy to discuss
yours……

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> Lou Coles writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> > > [email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
> > >
> > > >I’ve never heard of this article and am not particularly bothered. Did you
> > > >hear the one about the Auschwitz inmate who was allowed to ice skate on a
> > > >lake ten miles away unsupervised? I thought not.
> > >
> > > Feel free to educate us all. I guess you just don’t want to tell us
> > > why you think someone’s memories of an after-dinner Rotary Club
> > > speech are adequate documentation to accuse the U.S. armed forces of
> > > crushing the testicles of 137 helpless German murderers of U.S.
> > > prisoners of war.
> > >
> > >>>>
> > Oh-so you maintain that 137 men shot the Americans at Malmedy?
> > I should think someone should go and arrest the crew who dropped
> > the atomic bomb on hundreds of thousands of civilians. What do
> > you think? Do you condone it?
>
> If Charles does not, I do.
>
>>>>
Well, that makes 2 hypocrites.

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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> # New figures of the dead at Auschwitz, taken from archives
> # in Moscow, indicate 70,000 deaths, 46,000 of them Jews.
>
> How odd, especially since the Frank-Gricksch report, written
> in mid-1943, states that 500,000 Jews were already killed
> in the camp.
>
> It was explained to you dozens of times that not only are
> these death lists partial, they only cover those who died
> after being admitted into the camp and given a serial
> number. Those who were selected as “unfit for work”, and
> murdered upon arrival, were not given a serial number
> and their names were not written down; it would have
> been a complete waste of time to write down the name
> of someone who was going to be dead in an hour or so,
> and to tattoo him/her with a serial number.
>
> Is it *so* difficult to understand?
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
It is not difficult to understand….it is just difficult
for you to prove.
rb

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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:

This will be fun. posted/emailed

The readers of this thread get a splendid, typical and predictable
response by and advocate of hatred and obfuscation. See how rapidly
these deniers descend to name-calling, outrage and obvious lying when
faced by a polite but well-documented response to their attempts to
distort the facts.

They all start by posting a polite note, quoting sources and giving
references. They believe that nobody else has the books that they
quote, picking on obscure or hard-to-obtain references for their
attack.

[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:

Let us not lose sight of the fact that the main perpetrators of
the gassings have admitted using these gas chambers. Blackmore
and his ilk are attempting to lay red herrings

There you go again, stealing my definitions. It is people
like you and Danny who plant red herrings all over the
place.

How very droll. Mr. Blackmore claims the “red-herring”
statement to be his. He adds plagiarism to his sins:

And you add silliness to yours. It is obvious that I began
posting this term recently and you and your ilk began
echoing the refrain. Of course it is a very old expression.
I didn’t claim to have invented it, silly man.

across the road some minor inconsistencies

Minor!? Inconsistencies!? Lies, are more like it.

Mr. Blackmore and fume and rage and stamp his little feet in the
dirt

Actually, I wear a size 10 shoe.

but that will not change the fact that he has distorted
testimony and added his own comments which are grossly incorrect.

People can decide that for themselves without Nizkor’s
little cheerleader.

He
refuses to accept court methodology relating to convergence of
evidence. In fact he pretended it wasn’t there to read. This is
another technique of the distortionist: pretend that the uncomfortable
is not there.

One need not distort Bimko’s lies, they are distorted enough.

in the testimony of witnesses who
were not only frightened and hungry, but who only had a

Frightened? Hungry? At the Belsen trial? Maybe…
Frightened that she might be charged with perjury
and hungry for blind vengeance…..

Vengeance?!? What could possibly be the witnesses’ grounds for
seeking veneance?

Oh, dear me? What COULD that possibly be?

To hear Mr. Blackmore and his ilk talk
about Auschwitz and Belsen, the people illegally incarcerated
and butchered there were on some sort of a lark.

Is this your opinion?

The inmates were hungry and frightened when they witnessed
the atrocities

What atrocities? That they were frightened I have no doubt
and do not deny.

They lived in fear of their lives on starvation diets

Most survivors from Auschwitz state that they were fed well
enough.

all the while witnessing killings, beatings, and general
mistreatment.

Usually by other prisoners…The SS were forbidden to
step closer than 10 paces to an inmate. In fact, SS
men were murdered on occasions by the inmates.

Minor inconsistencies in their testimony are to be
expected when acting as witnesses to events that took place
several years before the trial.

These LIES are not “minor inconsistencies”, but keep on
defending them-it makes you look bad to everyone except
your minions.

A “glimpse” of the “gassing” facilities”? Not quite-
she was given a grand tour of the “Black Museum”….

Mr. Blackmore’s obvious hatred and fevered imagination are
getting the best of him. In no place does the witness claim
to have been given a “grand tour” of the gas chambers. Mr.
Blackmore is challenged to document the exact amount of
time that the witness spent in the gas chamber. He can’t and
he won’t.

Readers should be warned
about this.

Readers should also be warned about THIS:

This perjuring witness testified to a figure of 4 million
gassed Jews at Auschwitz, as well as testifying that
a woman was a man and a man was a woman….all
this from an alleged doctor! Go figure……..

This question has been addressed in a previous communication.

Yes. The first one I posted, and the fact remains she is
and was a LIAR.

> Mr. Blackmore is re-heating old soup.

And it still tastes the same….

Curious minds can
> retrieve the posted notes and satisfy themselves on what
> was said. Mr. Blackmore chooses to ignore the posted
> evidence and make ad hominem responses.

Yes, I encourage people to read the notes and decide
for themselves, after hearing both sides of the issue.
That is the way things should be done.
>
> >>
> >> Mr. Blackmore is now resorting to the amonymous and “somebody told
> >> me,”
> >
> >I wrote: Someone sent me these observations to post and I did because
> >they are worthy of addressing. End of story, but Mike wishes to ascribe
> >his motives to other people.
> >
>
> Learned readers of this thread will disallow Mr. Blackmore’s
> protestations. When entrapped by the truth, deniers turn to ‘it is so
> because I say so’ or they invent an anonymous ‘someone’ to confirm
> their depressing and false allegations.

Very pathetic, indeed….but it serves a purpose…and a good one at
that…..this way people can watch you squirm and squiggle like
a little worm on a hook.

This reminds me of the Baron
> ploy when confronted with the writing of an old lady. Baron complained
> that others were decieving her. This was humorous when one considered
> that the very views of Mr. Baron could be found in the old lady’s
> book. What was Mr. Baron telling her. Who is directing Mr. Blackmore?

Who is directing you?
>
> >> undocumented canard. What a pity. If said “browser” had posted his
> >> comments on alt.revisionism, a discussion on the subject at hand
> >> would have some validity.
> >
> >Right. So they could be attacked like others? I think not.
>
> Uh oh! A thin-skinned denier that is afraid of being “attacked like
> others!” Is Mr. Blackmore flaunting his courage by taking all of the
> verbal brickabats that would otherwise be flung at the anonymous
> “somebody.” This simply does not stand up to scrutiny. It is much more
> likely that Mr. Blackmore has crated this “somebody” in order to
> deflect accurate and substantiated criticism.

I don’t abuse the confidence of people who have asked
to remain anonymous……Unlike you, I have a code of
honor.
>
> >>
> >> Br. Blackmore has regressed, as most deniers eventually do, to
> >> innuendo and hollow rhetoric.
> >
> >Talking about yourself again? That is all you have ever offered.
> >
>
> Mr. Blackmore now resorts to the Pee Wee Herman School of
> Rhetoric: ” I know you are but what am I?”

How odd that you should recognize this…….
>
> > The points that he attempts to make are
> >> totally unsupported by the documentation.
> >
> >What documentation? Let’s have it?
> >
>
> Mr. Blackmore has the documentation. One presumes that he is
> literate and enterprising enough to read the posts. Here he actually
> has the gall to ask me for the documentation to prove his point. What
> does this suggest?

Let me guess…..You don’t have it……..
>
> > Sadly, but in keeping with
> >> his custom Mr. Blackmore does not quote the exact testimony of the
> >> witness,
> >
> >I refer the readers to “The Belsen trial”. It is available in most
> >university libraries.
>
> Absolutely. Curious readers should compare what Mr. Blackmore
> leads us to believe what the witnesses are saying and what is
> written in black and white in the book.

Yes, people, refer to it, think about it, and reach a conclusion.
However, compare her comments with other testimony on the
subject as well.
>
> > It is not my intention nor ever was, to
> >reprint the whole testimony of these individuals. If you want to, go ahead.
> >I am concerned only with their credibility, so I post where they have
> >obviously lied.
> >
>
> Mr. Blackmore only posts fragmented pieces of the testimony and
> does so in a very misleading manner. He knows he is doing this.

I post only the obvious lies in her testimony. Why should I post anything
else?
>
> > nor doe he afford us the page numbers in which this
> >> accounting — mostly ficticious — appears.
> >
> >Nonsense. You lie with a straight face, Mike.
> >That much is clear. here are the page numbers:
> >67, 68.
>
> If Mr. Blackmore will take the trouble to review the documents posted
> he will find that he has quoted from pages other than 67 and 68.

Well, if you will take the trouble to admit that you and I have
different EDITIONS……which is a fact, as some of the wording
is different as well. In this event, I refer the readers simply to
the testimony of Ada Bimko, wherever it is.
>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >She describes the building as brick. The area now said to have been
> >> >used for gas chambers is made of reinforced concrete, not brick.
> >>
> >> Mr. Blackmore is resorting to outright fabrication. What the text
> >> says is:
> >
> >(snip)
> >Wrong again, Mike. I merely posted what someone sent to
> >me.
> >
>
> Ah, yes, the mysterious “someone.” Sorry. Perhaps in the future Mr.
> Blackmore will verify the quality of the information he is re-posting.
> This is what *I* would do. Blindly posting someone elses distortions
> reminds one of the blind leading the blind.

You would be an authority on this, of course.
>
> > The witness states that the BUILDING was made
> >> of brick, and indeed it was. There are a great many photographs in
> >> the literature showing the construction of the Auschwitz crematoriums.
> >> These were constructed of BRICK.
> >
> >The Krema was of brick, the alleged gas chamber, which she is describing
> >was NOT made of brick. She lied. More of Mike”s “Dirty Dancing”.
> >>
> > This photo, one of several dozen in Pressac, shows the South
> >> and
> >> East sides of Krema IV.
> >
> >She wasn’t in Krema IV.

She lied. The alleged gas chambers were never made of brick
while she states they were. She also stated 4 million Jews were
gassed at Auschwitz by 1944. Lies, lies, lies.
> >
>
> Oh? Which Krema was she in? Does the witness state which
> of the crematoriums she visited. Not at all. Mr. Blackmore
> once again resorts to his red-herring technology.
>
> Not that it matters because _all_ the crematoriums in Auschwitz
> were constructed of brick. Mr. Blackmore was referred to one
> photograph which would serve as an example. If he would
> bother to look at Pressac’s book, or Dwork/van Pelt’s book
> as the more lucid readers of this post have done, he will
> recognize that brick was the material of choice.

Dirty dancing again. You chose an odd witness to defend
Mr. Curtis. Even Danny Keren backed off from her…..
>
>

>
> Not so. The caption clearly states that the rubble came from a gas
> chamber. But that is also irrelevant. The witness mentioned that
> the BUILDING was constructed of BRICK, not the GAS CHAMBER.

Wrong. And her whole description of the interior was fraudulent
anyway, as I have already proved with basic logic.
>
>
> [snip]
>
> >
> >And 24 dummy shower heads were supposed to convince 600 people
> >that these facilities were for them to take a shower? I think NOT.
>
> Mr. Blackmore thinks therefore he errs. What he thinks has nothing to
> do with the evidence.

What evidence? We are all waiting…..

Thinking something leads one to research and
> gather support for one’s suppositions. Deniers do not do this for this
> is work.

You do not do it for you know it doesn’t exist, therefore you
do what you do best-distort, lie, throw as much mud as you can,
and then pray that some of it will stick. Well, what we demand here
are rigorous standards of proof-not mud slinging.
>
> >These shower heads were probably destined for those workers who
> >were employed in the Krema or the morgue. Your interpretation
> >doesn’t make ANY sense.
>
> Mr. Blackmore can read Pressac and come to the same conclusion
> intelligent people have come to.

Pressac himself is having doubt, as I have recently learned.
Don’t lean too heavily on him, others of your ilk are already
beginning to shy away from him.
>
> >
> >There were no drains? A lie, again, because in the vast literature
> >abounding concerning the gas chambers it is said that the room had
> >to be washed down after every “gassing” due to the blood, body
> >fluids, and other residues.
>
> Some gas chambers had drains. Others did not. Mr. Blackmore is
> challenged to discover which did and didn’t.’This will probably
> another question Mr. Blackmore will ignore.

Caught you didn’t I?

> > As the ramp led DOWN into the alleged gas
> >chamber, one could harly imagine the residues being washed UP the long
> >ramp. So there HAD to be drains. Ergo, Bimko LIED.
>
> There was no ramp. Only stairs, and only in two of the Kremas.
> Which ones, Mr. Blackmore?

I have testimonies from your treasured witnesses that there was
indeed a ramp……do you still insist on maintaining this imposture,
or shall I embarrass you again.
>
> >>
> >
> >. Once he has done so and, of course, apologized to
> >>
> >> the readers of this group for the misleading and falacious statements
> >
> >It is you who needs to apologize or crawl away in shame……
> >
>
> More from the Pee Wee Herman School of Rhetoric.

Where you are apparently an instructor. I daresay Pee Wee
Herman would say less ridiculous things than you have over
the past few months.
>
> >> While he is doing this he might wish to have someone explain
> >> Avogadro’s principle, Dalton’s Law of Partial Pressures, and
> >> Graham’s Law of Diffusion.( Hint: “…the gas will tend to rise.” )
> >
> >No need.
>
> No need? Mr. Blackmore claims that HCN is lighter than air and
> will drift to the top of the ceiling. Shame! If this were so, he
> would find the air in his abode separated into caps of CO2, N2 and
> O2, forcing him to place his nose in the appropriate layer in order
> to survive.

More dirty dancing. I urge readers not to be distracted by it.
The gas is lighter than air and rises to the ceiling.
>
> >You have simply become caught up in the lies of
> >your perjuring witnesses again, and I will not be drawn in to
> >a non debate over issues which are designed prima facie to
> >draw attention away from the glaring lies.
> >
>
> Deniers usually react this way when entrapped. Mr. Blackmore
> really ought to become acquainted with the gas laws. Hot air
> and all!

Try di-gel, you need to get rid of some.
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:01:48 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> >
> > Mr. Edeikin, whose very profession produces contempt in most people.
> > Not quite. I have replied to Mr. Edeikin’s disinformation.
>
> With, it should be noted, a pack of outright lies.
>
> > You choose odd bed-fellows, Mr. Power. Instead of
> > seeking after truth you choose to pursue lies and
> > distortions. However, this is all you have, and you
> > must live with your lies if you make the choice to
> > propagate them.
>
> Coming from a person who was just caught is an outright lie.
>
> At this point you are fooling no-one except yourself.
>
> –YFE
>
>
>>>>
Keep fooling yourself-no one else takes you seriously.
rb

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:01:49 PDT 1996
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[email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
[email protected] wrote:

2. I would say that the Nazis treatment of the Jewish
people was similar to America’s treatment of Native Americans.

In other words,

No, in YOUR words……

they ruthlessly stripped them of their possessions and
land, treated them like animals, sent them on forced marches with
staggering death rates, and let disease kill them by the hundreds of
thousands. (The similarity ends in the camps, where the Nazis built
machines of mass murder, though of course you would deny the facts of
the matter.) Further, a significant segment of the population,
probably the majority, had not even enough sympathy with the victims
to raise their voices in protest.

Yes, there were similarities, as you say, though I’m sure you intended
connotations with which I could not agree. Both are monstrous crimes,
beyond the capacity of words to express.

You did just fine expressing it, though indeed I disagree
with the accusations you expressed.

The human capacity for
inhumanity knows no national boundaries. But does one lessen the
meaning or significance of the other? Of course not.

Whoever said that it did?

Protest under the Nazi regime was of course much more difficult than
protest in the American Colonies or the newly-formed U.S. of A.
Furthermore, the population of the Colonies and States was not
subjected to a torrent of anti-Indian propaganda in anything like the
way that the German population was.

Nonsense. Furthermore, both Indians and whites indulged in
horrific massacres.

(snip)

I would say the most important differences are: (1) Native Americans
were never subjected to forced labor (to my knowledge) on the scale
that the Nazis used their enemies.

They certainly were subjected to forced labor in South America and
Mexico on a massive scale.

(2) The technologies differed,
> allowing the Nazis to be much more efficient in their mass murder.

What mass murder do you refer to?
>
> Most importantly, (3) the Nazi slaughter took place not on a frontier
> being explored, but on land that had been civilized a thousand years
> prior; not of a remote, unseen, illiterate people, but of a people
> who for years had lived side-by-side with the aggressors in peace and
> fought side-by-side with them in war; and not in a time of discovery,
> but in a time of enlightenment and Kultur.

What area are you referring to? Poland? Soviet Russia?

The familiarity and
> modernity of the Nazi crime and its victims made shocking contrast
> with the hideous barbarity of its results.

The accusations are shocking. They have yet to be proven, and I can’t
see where the alleged acts of the nazis were more inhumane than the acts
of the Soviets or the other allies. The French were chopping heads like
they were apple picking during their revolution, and one of the most
common forms of execution throughout Europe at one time was drawing
and quartering. Refer to Daniel Mannix’s “History of Torture”. Certain
warlike Native American tribes used to gnaw off the fingers from a victim’s
hand and shove hot poles up the rectums of their unfortunate captives, who
were tied to torture stakes and tormented for an entire night before they
were finally put out of their misery. One of Stalin’s preferred
methos of execution was to have the eyes of his imagined
enemies gouged out. The dropping of the atomic bomb
upon innocent civilians was as great a crime as your alleged
gas chambers, and the victims died or lingered on in agony.
It was monstrous and inhuman.
>
> I might add something about theories of racial supremacy having been
> discredited by mainstream scientific circles by the time of the Nazis,

By whom? You have heard of C. Coon, Lothrop Stoddard, Morton,
Gobineau, etc. So what you write here is not a fact.

> but frankly I don’t know enough about the history of racial thought to
> be able to make such a claim. I suppose I should reread _The
> Mismeasure of Man_ when I find some free time.

Well, all right, you admit that you don’t enough about the subject.
I could refer you to a recently published book which you might find
edifying: “Race, the history of an idea in the west” by Ivan Hannaford,
John Hopkins University Press.

Or, does anyone have
> any suggestions for similar works? Respected authors only, please.

Done. He would be a respected author by your standards.
>
> For what it’s worth, I don’t see any essential moral difference
> between the Nazi policy of Lebensraum and the British colonies’ belief
> in Manifest Destiny.

I won’t argue with this opinion and would advise you to research Britains
treatment of India and its inhabitants.

True, in the Nazis’ case it was a _known_
> quantity of people who had to be killed, subjugated, or enslaved, but
> I don’t think that changes the quality of the moral crime, merely its
> dimension.

If you accept this premise, as you do….

Malice aforethought toward an unknown number of “savages”
> in an unknown land is quite the same as malice aforethought toward a
> known number of Poles, Slavs and Jews in familiar territory.

Or of Germans, as the case may be-wouldn’t you agree?

rb

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> Laura Finsten writes:
> I would recommend
>
> Pat Shipman 1994 “The Evolution of Racism”. Simon and Schuster.
> Jonathon Marks 1995 “Human Biodiversity: Genes, Race and History”,
> Aldine de Gruyter, especially Chapter 4 The History of Biology
> and the Biology of History.
> And maybe Marek Kohn 1996 “The Race Gallery: The Return of Racial
> Science”. Vintage Books. (I’ve just begun to read this.)
>
>
> “If I can’t dance….. I don’t want to be part of your revolution.”
> Emma Goldman
>
>
>
>>>>
“No one should have to dance backward all their lives.”
Jill Ruckelshaus
rb

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From: [email protected]
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[email protected] (John Morris) writes:
In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:

[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:

[a quote from Rascher’s letter to Himmler proposing the establishment
a gas chamber at Dachau like the one at Linz]

And of course you have a written response from Himmler concerning
the above. Don’t you? Do you? Need time to think about it?

I do not know if a response from Himmler office still exists, but I do
know that Himmler did not take the following actions in regards to one
of his doctors proposing to test poison gasses on human subjects. For
making the proposals, Himmler did not:
1)arrest Rascher
2) have Rascher committed as a lunatic
3) fire Rascher from his job
4) demote Rascher

Rascher continued for some time afterwards reporting the results of
his experiments on live human subjects. His two most famous
> experiments involved putting his subjects in a depressurized chamber
> to see when they would die, and, immersing his subjects in
> near-freezing water to see when they would die.
>
> Visit Rob Bennet’s excellent L’Chaim Project and take a virtual tour
> of Dachau for more details:
>
> http://www.charm.net/~rbennett/Revierbanacken.html
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
> —

>
>>>>
As a matter of fact, Rascher WAS arrested by the SS,
imprisoned in Dachau, and executed.
rb

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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
>
> >[email protected] wrote:
>
> >> 2. I would say that the Nazis treatment of the Jewish
> >> people was similar to America’s treatment of Native Americans.
>
> The guy does have a habit of putting his foot in it, doesn’t he?
> He thought he’d make me blanch when he compared the concentration
> camps to Andersonville. I guess the idea is that as an American
> I’m supposed to blindly support every atrocity committed by
> Americans throughout history, and so “understand” the Nazis’
> pecadillos….

Whoever said that besides you?
>
> >I would say the most important differences are: (1) Native Americans
> >were never subjected to forced labor (to my knowledge) on the scale
> >that the Nazis used their enemies.
>
> Catholic priest tried it, among others. Injuns always made lousy
> slaves. Escaped a lot, and died off to avoid work.

Sounds like a racist comment to me.
>

(snip)
>
> BTW, the smallpox blankets story which you may have heard probably
> never happened. It’s based on a proposal in a British officer’s
> letter in pre-Revolutionary times.

How interesting….much like Rascher’s letter……..
>
>>>>

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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
> > Note that all these questions have been answered over and over again
> > and Gandhi refuses to accept the answers he is given. I urge people
> > to access Deja News and read all my replies for themselves. Now, to
> > Mr. Gandhi-will you now admit that you grossly misrepresent my communications
> > to you without regard for truth or the explanations you have been given
> > over and over again.
>
> By all means, read Deja News. If someone is unable to find a relevant
> article, tell me and I will find it for you. Although you will not be able
> to find the posts where Mr. Blackmore answers the questions asked of him,
> because he has not. You will find his continual refusal to answer the
> questions, or, at best, you will find a article which contains little more
> than prevarication.
>
> With respect to the Blackmore/Belling Troll¹s claim above, I unequivocally
> state that I have told no lies, and have made no misrepresentations.
> Blackmore/Belling has not answered the questions of his statements (read
> lies) regarding the Simon Wiesenthal Center, nor will he answer the
> questions regarding his statements (again, read lies) about the Discovery
> Channel. He has on numerous occasions publically stated that he will not
> answer the questions.
>
> ——————-
> … war begins, I believe, in our hearts. And that is where it must end.
> (Hunthausen)
>
>>>>
His questions have been answered many times over-
they just don’t happen to be the answers that he would
like to have.

“There is only pain in resisting. Relax and yield.”

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Chuck Ferree writes:
Chuck Ferree wrote:

Raven lies some more

Subject: Re: Black Liberators (fraud you say)
Sent: 10/22/96 4:18 PM
Received: 10/22/96 8:05 AM
From: Greg Raven, [email protected]
To: Chuck Ferree, [email protected]

Chuck Ferree wrote:

Chuck Ferree writes:

I just read your article regarding the so-called fraud involved with
Black Americans liberating Buchenwald and Dauchau. Maybe fraud is the
correct phrase, maybe not. Some of your statements are not true
however. For example, there was a gas chamber at Dachau, and it had
been used over the years to gas certain inmates.

rblackmore writes:
How is that Chuck, seeing that it wasn’t even allegedly COMPLETED
until the END of 1944!

This has been
confirmed by official reports written by SHAEF officers who I flew
into both Buchenwald and Dachau. Buchenwald on the third day after
> > it’s liberation, Dachau on April 29th. 1945, the day it was liberated.

Well, so much for SHAEF’s credibility.

> > I witnessed the massacre of the German guards, and the killing of
> > other guards and inmates who were thought to have been collaborators
> > with the SS. I don’t know how many guards were killed by the machine
> > guns of Lt. Bushyhead, maybe 500, but I believe many less than that,
> > closer to 200.
> >
> > In my opinion, your story is not too bad, except to those of us who
> > know who you are, you use this incident to discredit other Holocaust
> > proven historical facts. I’ve read your other denier stuff, and I know
> > you both lie if it suits your purpose.

rb writes:
As do people who believe in your version of the Holocaust.
> >
> Raven says:s
>
> I’d sure love to see these reports, as would the experts who are in
> charge of Dachau now. They say that no one was gassed at Dachau.
> Testimony of German prison labors after the war indicates that the CIC
> ordered the construction of a “gas chamber,” which was subsequently torn
> down.
>
> If I remember correctly, you at one point claimed that the delousing
> chamber, depicted in many photos, was actually a homicidal gas chamber,
> which of course it was not.
>
> If it was used even a few times to gas humans, it sure as hell wasn’t a
> suana. And I know it was used to gas humans.

rb writes:
And you are one of them, right?
>

>
> —
> Greg Raven ([email protected])
> PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
> http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg
>
>>>>
Let’s not omit Auerbach’s “Hanging Tree” nor the infamous
“Pool of Jewish Blood”……….

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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 23 Oct 1996 20:47:28 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> >Later. BTW, I also, am an authority on this subject. I would
>
>
> Your use of the word ‘also’ implies you are an authority on another subject.
> What, pray tell, would that be? We know it isn’t the factual representation
> of history.
>
> It has been my observation that those who are compelled to declare their own
> virtue usually do not know shit from shinola. Who with an IQ above an
> ordinary garden slug considers you to be an authority on anything other than
> misrepresentation?
>
>>>>
Seeing that your intelligence seems to be even lower than
a garden slug, we won’t bother asking you.
rb

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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >2. I would say that the Nazis treatment of the Jewish
> >> >people was similar to America’s treatment of Native Americans.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Oh, please, tell me about this history. Let’s start at the very
> >> beginning. BTW, the beginning is the 16th century coast.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >Later. BTW, I also, am an authority on this subject. I would
> >suggest that you start a new discussion group. However, I doubt
> >whether we will have differing opinions on this particular subject.
> >
>
> What is Mr. Blackmore (not his real name) not an authority on? Mr.
> Blackmore is fluent in German, an expert researcher, an authority on
> the Holocaust and now and authority on Native American History. Mr.
> Blackmore seems to be that rare individual who knows everythin, but in
> the end is shown to know nothing. Another attempt at comparison bites
> the dust.
>
>
>
>>>>
My posts must be rather effective. Thank you for the
unintended complements.

“The world reflects what you need to see, not only what YOU
want to see.”
rb

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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:

Here is some more “survivor testimony” i.e., more LIES< taken from "The Belsen Trial" pages 103, 105: Look at these people and see whom you can recognize? - I etc Also I collected a pair of jackboots and for this I received 25 strokes. Mr. Blackmore's utter lack of humanity is patently displayed. Is he a believer in this sort of physical punishment? Mr. G was punished for stealing. Mr. Blackmore needs to explain how he comes to this assumption. "Collected" was simply a euphemism for stealing. Who knows what else he did...steal food perhaps from other hungry inmates. Mr. Blackmore is now attempting to his own additions to the printed testimony. Yes, seeing that he is a self-confessed thief, I must now question all of his actions. As you know these types of offenses were rather common in KZ's. If anyone considers the conditions the inmates were forced to live with, Conditions varied at different camps and at different times. He was a thief as well as a liar. And if I told you that the man was a rapist, you would say, "But the poor man was SO deprived from womanly companionship for so long......." then getting something from others in order to survive is more than a possibility Absolutley-and from whom did he steal these items? Another needy prisoner? Of course this causes the audience to consider if it is moral to steal a crumb from those who have in order to survive. Unless you are stealing it from those who are supposed to be your companions. _Les Miserables_ presents just such a quandary. This is a whole other issue and goes to human psychology within concentration camps in Nazi Germany or even in the Soviet Union for that matter. This is acceptable. Also, I do not believe in corporal punishment. Now, do you approve of the way Germans were interrogated and mistreated by the allies? Mr. Blackmore is now shifting the subject to another that is not a part of the discussion concerning the treatment of human beings placed in camps for no other reason than that they were Polish, Jewish, Russian, or Germans who disagreed with an authoritarian government. Now notice how Mr. Curtis avoided answering the question because he simply cannot bear to admit that germans were as mistreated as every other nationality during the war. The first picture is titled "One of the victims of typhus inside a hut." What has this to do with the credibility of Mr. G? Mr. Blackmore seems to think that by calling this man a liar that the mere appliance of Mr. Blackmores wishes makes him so. Again, what has this to do with mr. G's credibility? Also, typhus was there after the german administration surrendered. More "dirty dancing". It is pretty clear that the English thought that the dirty dance was performed by the Germans. Mr. Blackmore seems to think that a situation of massive disease caused mostly by unsanitary conditions can be cleared up in moments. I never said that, did I? This picture shows an emaciated woman a babushka tied around her head. Would Mr. Blackmore liked for his grandmother to be treated this way? Perhaps she was..... Mr. Blackmore's grandmother is probably pretty disappointed in his efforts to justify these particular treatments of innocent human beings in order to justify his Nazi heros. How do you know anything about my grandmother? More so had she been innocent of any crime? My grandmother never committed any crimes. Neither did the majority of the camp inmates. Mr. Blackmore seems to ahve forgotten that fact. Liar. Thousands upon thousands of these inmates were common criminals, and behaved as such as soon as the allies made the mistake of releasing them as a mob. Mr. Curtis would like to avoid that issue. Also, these are obvious ploys desgined to elicit an emotional response in the reader, rather than deal with the lies of Mr. G. Oh my! We are dealing with the distortions of Mr. B. at the moment who has failed to show that Mr.Glinowieski lied. No. "We" are not dealing with any "distortions" from Mr. B. because I do not distort. Stop trying to change the subject, which happens to be Mr. G. The second picture is entitled "Utter squalor prevails in the living quarters." This is an admitted fact. It was also testified to at the Belsen Trial that many of the inmates themselves were responsible for much of the filth and squalor prevailing in the camp. Mr. Blackmore seems to think that these inmates had complete control over their situations. However, he is free to present such testimony for us all to read _in contxt_. It is in the record. read it. I have never posted a bad reference yet. Perhaps Mr. Blackmore would accept that his mother, daughter or wife should be treated this way. More attempts to elicit emotional responses. Deal with Mr. G. I guess it is acceptable to Mr. Balckmore that his immediate family be treated in the fashions we have been discussing. Guess whatever you like, simply deal with Mr. G. and his credibility. THAT is the subject of this discourse. The photographs facing page 105 are equally dramatic if, for nothing else, because of the obvious contrast: The men appear to be in good physical condition and well-fed And? They weren't ill with typhus or enteritis or dysentery. We have to note what Mr. Blackmore has SNIPPED . The persons under discussion here are male S.S. guards who had clean water and food. They were not ill and how do you know how much water and food they had? And what would you expect these few people to do with their food-share it with 40,000 people? >
> > If
> >they were, they would resemble the inmates who became ill, and
> >who were recently shipped to Belsen from other camps, where they
> >brought the illness with them and carried it into the camp.
>
> Maybe they should not have been shipped to any camps at all!

Who can say? We would need to examine all 40,000 cases
individually.
>
> >>
> >> The second picture is titled: “S.S. women were also made to
> >> work [presumably by their Britsh captors – comment mine].
> >> These women were the equivalent of the man for brutality.
> >
> >Let’s discuss it. perhaps some of them were cruel. perhaps some of
> >the inmates were cruel as well. there were many common criminals
> >in these camps.
>
> This isn’t an historical discussion but rather total speculation on
> Mr. Blackmore’s part.

No. it isn’t. Read the figures in Kogons Theory and Practice
of Hell as well as other sources which list the huge numbers
of criminals in these camps.

We do not need to “perhaps” very much any longer
> if we use the data available.

Well, start using it then.
>
> >
> >> The picture shows five women (and the half-hidden face of
> >> what appears to be a man), all of whom are fine specimens
> >> of Aryan ‘beauty’.
> >
> >Is this supposed to be an ethnic slur?
> >
> >Well-dressed in their uniforms, these
> >> ladies look quite fit and well-fed.
> >
> >Perhaps you would prefer to see them starving? Would you want that for
> >your mother or sister?
>
> Mr. Blackmore seems to think the he is being clever. If there were a
> truly disasterous situation, then all would be in pretty poor shape.
> It is pretty clear who was in the worst shape and that who is the
> inmates.

If you would take the trouble to READ once in a while, you
would discover that the majority of these people were sent to
the camp from other camps during the final weeks of the war,
and were already seriously ill when they arrived. It is curious
that the prisoners in Camp 2 in Belsen were not bad off in
comparison with the newer arrivals. Be sure to READ the
material before you reply to this.
>
> >
> > Two of these young ladies
> >> appear to have been, if one can employ a local colloquialism,
> >> “hit with an ugly stick.”
> >
> >So it is an ethnic slur after all. Mike’s old double standard.
>
> Mr. Blackmore is now trying to project his problems onto me. I do not
> share Mr. Blackmore’s problems. Neither is he addressing very many of
> the issues brought out in my post.

When have you ever answered one of my questions directly?
BTW, what problems are you referring to?
>
> >>
> >> When he is quite finished with these pictures, perhaps he can turn
> >> to the photographs
> >
> >I have seen them all and I find it abhorrent, but these terrible
> >conditions are not the fault of Kramer or his staff. The fault lies
> >with higher authorities as well as in the catastrophic conditions
> >produced by the war and allied bombing in germany.
>
> Reminds one of Eichmann who always had another to blame other than
> himself.

Oh-now I am “Eichmann”, along with all the other epithets
you have called me. Well, if that’s the best you can do, there
is nothing to add…..

Actually, it reminds me of most politicians today who always
> blame the other guy for their failures.

What politicians are you referring to? Actually it reminds me
of you blaming me for your inability to respond to my arguments.

Note also Mr. Blackmore’s
> efforts to deflect the argument away from the subject at hand by
> referring to Allied bombing.

It is directly related, even though it suits your purposes
better if it wasn’t.
>
> >>
> >> Glinowieski’s testimony continues:
> >
> >Finally!
> >>
> >> [Page 104]
> >>
> >> “What do you know about Weitgartner? – I worked with my
> >>
> > I was not
> >> allowed to se my brother. Later on he died. (At this point the witness
> >> broke down.)”
> >
> >If this is true,
>
> Evidence for it not being true will be provided by Mr. Blackmore.

Of course, seeing that YOU never post the truth.
>
> > then Weingartner should have been punished appropriately,
> >but we still need to hear his version of this incident. Also, Mr. G. has
> >already been demonstrated to be a thief and a fabricator, so I expect
> >there was more to this than meets the eye.
>
> Mr. Blackmore will make up for us what doesn’t immediately meet the
> eye.

If it exists, I surely shall.
>
> >>
> >> >Cross examined by Major Winwood, pages 105, 106:
> >> >
> >> >Winwood: You mentioned an incident in October
> >> >or November, 1943,
> >
> >> >A: No, it is not true.
> >
> >Well, it is true. He lied and was caught lying.
>
> Mr. Blackmore stomps his little feet.

Why should I stomp my little feet? All you did was quote the
liar again.
>
> >> >
> >> >Q: In the statement you made to a British officer at Belsen,
> >> >why did you not mention this very painful incident?
> >> >
> >> >A: Because only photographs of the S.S. men were
> >> >shown to me and I was asked to say whether I could
> >> >not accuse any of them?”
> >> >
> >> >End of Quotes.
> >> >
> >> >Ha! Read it for yourselves. Another liar.
> >snip
> >> >
> >> >”If you can’t believe the messengers, how can you
> >> >believe the message?”
> >>
> >> It is quite possible that the witness was mistaken about the date.
> >> Let us analyse the witnesses words:
> >
> >He stated quite emphatically that he remembered this incident. he
> >was a liar attempting to incriminate Kramer for something he could
> >not possibly have done.
>
> Mr. Blackmore stomps his little feet in the effort to whitewash his
> Nazi hero.

The only stomping being done here is by you. You bit
off more than you could chew and now you find the
taste to be unpleasant….relax….it is your own little foot
in your rather big mouth…..
>
> >>
> >> [Page 107]
> >>
> >> “[…] As a result of typhus do you find difficulty in
> >> remembering what you have said in the statement? – I remember
> >> everything but not the details.”
> >
> >He remembered the details of his lie distinctly.
> >>
> > fact that the witness and Kramer _did_ coincide in Auschwitz for
> >> a considerable period.
> >
> >Dirty dancing. Mr. G. lied and you don’t have the integrity to admit it.
>
> Mr. Blackmore stamps his little feet and attacks my character. Quite
> an argument by one so knowledgable in everything.

Galls you doesn’t it?
>
> >>
> >>
> > the
> >> admissions by Kremer, Hoessler, Kleim and others that prisoners
> >> under their care were sent to the gas chambers and exterminated. In
> >> the final analysis, this is the part of the testimony that deniers
> >> dread.
> >
> >In his first statement kramer denied that there ever were gas chambers.
>
> Of course he did. Most criminals deny the obvious.

Another tired old cliche. The innocent can never deny
when they have been falsely accused, is this what you are
telling us, Mr. Curtis?
>
> >You choose to believe the second statements after he had been in
> >”custody” for a while…..either way, by giving two completely differing
> >statements, we must disregard them both, otherwise his first statement
> >is more credible.
> >
>
> Mr. Blackmore stomps his little feet. On thing Mr. Blackmore does have
> going for him are his unsubstantiated opinions.

My opinions seem to be much more logical than the arguments
which you offer—which are NONE-except to say that I am
stomping my little feet…..
>
> > Not the accusations by witnesses or the testimonies and
> >> cross-examinations, but the free admission by Mr. Blackmore’s heroes
> >> that they contributed to the death of innocent victims.
> >
> >Heroes?
>
> A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose or who has
> sacrificed his or who life. Hero.

Heroes?
>
> >>
> >> Mr. Blackmore and his cohorts are attempting to empty a sea of
> >> truth with their thimble of

Cohorts? Are you talking to me?
> >>
> >> This looks like the sloppy work done by a previous contributor to this
> >> conference. He was careless with his sources.
> >
> >You apparently are careless with the truth.
>
> Mr. Blackmore has been shown to be careless with his sources, quotes,
> and research methods

Who has shown this? Certainly not you.

. One wonders if Mr. Blackmore knows what
> historical truth is.

If I don’t, I will never learn from the likes of you.

“The distractions you created to cope clutter your
consciousness.”

rb

>
>
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:01:56 PDT 1996
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[email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
In article <[email protected]>, wrote:
Here is some more “survivor testimony” i.e., more LIES< taken from "The Belsen Trial" pages 103, 105: Glinowieski: Kramer caught me once in Auschwitz, about November, 1943, when I was in possession of a small piece of bread and a little margarine. Also I "collected" (Quotation marks mine-rb) a pair of jackboots and for this I received 25 strokes." Cross examined by Major Winwood, pages 105, 106: Winwood: You mentioned an incident in October or November, 1943, when you received 25 strokes from Kramer at Auschwitz. Do you not agree that we still had to wait a matter of five months after this date before Kramer ever came to Auschwitz? A: No, it is not true. > >
> >Q: In the statement you made to a British officer at Belsen,
> >why did you not mention this very painful incident?
> >
> >A: Because only photographs of the S.S. men were
> >shown to me and I was asked to say whether I could
> >not accuse any of them?”
> >
> >End of Quotes.
> >
> >Ha! Read it for yourselves. Another liar.
>
> What definition of “liar” do you use? Simply someone who says
> something untrue? But how is that different from an error?

Thhis witness had ample opportunity to retract a statement
which he made that definitely placed Kramer at Auschwitz
at a particular date. He was emphatic about this date, even
when told that Kramer was never at the camp during the time
indicated. I cannot think for Mr. G., so I do not know his
motives in adhereing to a proveable untruth. Perhaps
he thought that if he backed down from the date in question,
he would then appear to be a liar. He had an option to choose
for error. He did not take it, so I do not give him the benefit
of the doubt today.
>
> However, if the definition is (as I use) someone who _deliberately_
> and _knowingly_ says something untrue, or who has good and sufficient
> reason to know that what they said is untrue, then you cannot prove that
> the witness was lying. Dates and visual identifications, especially a
> year or more after the fact, are suspect even without intent to lie.

Except that this witness was adamant about the time and the place.
After he gave this false testimony he was more careful about
assigning specific dates to events he claimed to have witnessed.
>
>
> >By the way,
> >I referred to the Auschwitz Chronicle regarding the months
> >and years of Kramer’s service at Auschwitz. the result?:
> >
> >”In 1944 he returned to Auschwitz as Commander of
> >Birkenau but was transferred in November of that year
> >to Bergen-Belsen in the same function.” Page 816.
>
> Excuse me? The above text says he _returned_ to Auschwitz. That
> implies he was there a first time. What were those dates? Didn’t the
> Auschwitz Chronicle give them?

Yes, but they did not coincide with the date given by Mr. G.
>
>
> >Another day, another liar.
> >
> >”If you can’t believe the messengers, how can you
> >believe the message?”
>
> Please reread my series of “Revisionist Def Comedy Jam” postings.
> Then get back to me on whether you really still want to use that as a rule
> of inference. I can always add more to the series if you like. Or even
> if you don’t like.

It doesn’t disturb me as I have indicated that both sides sometimes
engage in the same tactics, either knowingly or unwittingly. Sometimes
it is merely a process of learning, I believe.

rb

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> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>
> > > Which has what to do with the historicity of the Holocaust?
> > >
> > I will get to everything in due time.
> > rb
>
> In other words… “I have no idea. I was just trolling. But give me a few
> days alone with the bottle, and I’m sure I’ll think of something.”
>
> Sara
>
> —
> “I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy.”
> Samuel Butler
>
>
>>>>
I don’t drink.. Good night, Gracie.
rb

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[email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
[email protected] wrote:
[email protected] (william c anderson) writes:

Big fucking deal. You won’t find a single person posting to this group
who doesn’t agree with you that the Soviet government was chock full of
liars from start to finish.

Mr. Anderson, please point out where I have EVER said one
word my belief in a Jewish conspiracy?

If you believe that the Holocaust is a gigantic hoax, then I can
draw only one of two conclusions: 1) You believe that this hoax
has been carried out by the largest, most powerful conspiracy in
the history of the world, entailing precise control over the words
and actions of thousands of people and such terrible means of
revenge that not even one of its participants has ever spoken out
about it, in which case you are mad, or 2) You believe that this
hoax happened all by itself, sort of by accident, in which case you
are… well, mad.

My answer is that you are wrong on both counts. Try
again, and better luck next time.

Personally, I think the question is moot, because I don’t think you
believe for one moment that the Holocaust didn’t happen. I think
you’re lying in the service of a political agenda.

Wrong again. I think that your version of the Holocaust didn’t
happen.

The
Western judges at Nuremberg, in fact, didn’t believe the Soviet story
about Katyn, and that’s why, contrary to your lies, not one German was
ever convicted by the IMT for the Katyn massacre.

OK, have it your way. Then please answer why they never condemned
the Soviets for the atrocity publicly–lacking a little “moral” courage,
wouldn’t you think?

Yeah, I do think so, actually. What’s your point?

It should be obvious.

Stalin’s second atrocity against the Polish people
was to have deliberately withheld his forces from assisting the Polish
Home Army when they rebelled against the German Occupation in 1944.
Tens of thousands of Poles died while Stalin chuckled.

Uh-huh. Stalin was a nasty, evil fella, and neither I nor anybody
else on this group has ever said otherwise

That’s nice…..

–and yet you keep jumping
out here with these descriptions of his atrocities, as if you expect
us to get all red in the face and bellow “Lying Imperialist Swine!

It wouldn’t surprise me. Apparantly all of you have been
missing the point I have been trying to make all these
months, and I guess I will have to continue until one of
you DOES get the point.

> Defame the memory of People’s Hero Stalin, will you?” Mr. Belling,
> I AM NOT A STALINIST.

I never suggested that you were.

So far as I know, not one regular poster to
> this group is a Stalinist. Baiting us with the misdeeds of Uncle
> Joe will get you nowhere.

No one is baiting you.
>
> : Give it up, Mr. Belling. All you have are cheap, transparent lies, and
> : > there are plenty of people here to call you on them. Go post your
> : > tripe on alt.white-power.ranger, whaduyasay?
> :
> : Not until you admit that your version of the Holocaust is the
> : biggest fraud on God’s created earth. It really galls you that a
> : non-racist person like myself doesn’t believe in your fabrications,
> : doesn’t it?
>
> I don’t think you’re non-racist, so the question is academic.

Well, your opinion in this case is based upon total ignorance,
which is a typical sign of a bigoted person.
>
> : But I am only one person-there are millions of others from
> : every race, creed, and ethic group who also disbelieve.
>
> Yeah? Where are they, Mr. Belling?

Do you expect me to give you names and addresses?
There are millions who believe in your version of the
Holocaust as well, but that is slowly but surely changing….
>
> : I may be
> : one little flea on a big dog’s back, but I’m sure keeping you itchin….
>
> No, not really. As frauds and liars always do, you’ve begun
> self-destructing. Of late, you’ve gotten so transparent and
> incompetent that I rarely reply to you at all anymore.

Not at all. I am a very persistent person, and am not
self-destructive. I enjoy life and people. Which makes you
wrong again. You haven’t done so well with this little quiz.
Better luck next time.

>
“Break the faith, baby.”
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:01:58 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 08:02:36 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>
> [deleted]
>
> :>> :> The witnesses, including Hilberg, spoke. In the end, the cause
> :>> :>lost.
> :>>
> :>> The antisemitic Moron is wrong as usual. The validity of Hilberg’s testimony
> :>> was never cast in doubt, despite a bullying and indecent attempt by Zuendel’s
> :>> lawyer, fellow denier Doug Christie. The only witness who was completely
> :>> discredited by the court was Moron’s hero Fred Leuchter, who was exposed for
> :>> the fraud and liar that he is.
>
> :>I have in my possession a letter personally written by Mr.
> :>Mueller, and I will post it soon…..
>
> Which has precisely what to do with the validity of Hilberg’s testimony not
> being cast in doubt? Or with the “revisionist” darling Leuchter having to
> admit that he was a liar and a fraud?
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Nothing.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:01:59 PDT 1996
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[email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
[email protected] writes:

Apparently what’s wrong with you is worse than what is wrong
with me. Fool, my point was, how many of the 4,000,000 given
by the Polish Commission referred to non-Jews specifically?

Learn something, little boy. You wer caught in a lie

No, Mr. E., unlike you, I do not lie.

. Now you are
trying to squirm out of it.

There is nothing to squirm out of. You defend the lie, I deny it.

>
>
> > If
> > you break it down, you will see that the OVERWHELMING majority
> > of these faked figures were still claimed to be Jews.
>
> Prove it. Give us the Polish representations of this.

Do what you tell me to do. get the bookl and read it. Perhaps you
will find it with those “autopsy” and “toxicological” reports from
Dr. Larson which you claimed to have.
>
> > Also, here is the figure given by the Jewish author Nathan Ausubel
> > in his widely disseminated book, “The Pictorial History of the Jewish people”
> > which went through more than 11 editions and repeated the same
> > lie over and over again:
>
> You have found a single source making that statement. The fact is
> the the most widely read books and references including the Encyclopedia
> Judiaca and “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” do not state that number.

Thanks for admitting that the author and the publishers of this
book were liars. More on this later.
>
>
> > BTW, I win so many victories on alt.revisionism that I have no
> > need to “crow” about it. It is only dyed in the wool fanatics like
> > yourself who refuse to budge an inch, even when your nose is
> > shoved in the truth.
>
> You are deluding yourself.

Whatever gets you through the night. I wouldn’t want to be
responsible for any indigestion or heartburn you might have…
>
> Now answer the real question: were you involved in the forgeries . .
> .or were you just blowing hot air when you implied you were?

No, I wasn’t involved in forgeries. What are you talking about anyway?
Giwers Moshe Posts? I have better things to do with my time.

rb
>
>
>
>>>>

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] writes:
>
> [deleted]
>
> :>BTW, I win so many victories on alt.revisionism that I have no
> :>need to “crow” about it. It is only dyed in the wool fanatics like
> :>yourself who refuse to budge an inch, even when your nose is
> :>shoved in the truth.
>
> Do you always get like this just before you depart? You did in your last
> incarnation as well.
>
> And you think alt.revisionism is all about winning and losing?
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Since when did you ever care about what I think?

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:02:00 PDT 1996
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> >> > [email protected] writes:
>

> >>
> >> > >

> > You are the one who needs
> > to buttress your accusations with a panoply of lies and
> >distortions. You are the liar, for you promised
> >toxicological reports allegedly taken of gassed victims
> >and Dachau then failed to produce them
> >
>
> No. He told you where you could get up and go find them.
>
>
>
>>>>
Never-Never land? Sorry, I couldn’t find it.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:02:01 PDT 1996
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> Brian Harmon writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> > > Brian Harmon wrote:
> > >
> > > >[email protected] wrote:
> [..]
>
> >

>

What you call a lie was simply human error due to the fact
that I was relying upon memory until I found the source with
the inscription. At any rate, I was not off base, as I have
already explained under another post. This is certainly not the
format for PRECISE documentation, as the postings of both
sides amply prove. We all do our best with what we happen to
have, so allow me the same courtesy you extend to yourselves.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:02:01 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gord McFee)
> wrote:
>
> >In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] writes:
>
> >[deleted]
>
> >:>BTW, I win so many victories on alt.revisionism that I have no
> >:>need to “crow” about it. It is only dyed in the wool fanatics like
> >:>yourself who refuse to budge an inch, even when your nose is
> >:>shoved in the truth.
>
> >Do you always get like this just before you depart? You did in your last
> >incarnation as well.
>
> >And you think alt.revisionism is all about winning and losing?
>
> Sure it is. Didn’t you get the coffee mugs and ball caps yet?
>
> Too bad there aren’t any really good prizes like TV sets or A NEEEW
> CAAARR!!
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
> —
Why? Do you need one?
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:02:02 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> > [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> >
> > # Nope! There existed certain SS officers who were
> > # executed SOLEY on the basis of mistreating Jewish
> > # inmates alone.
>
> > Name them. All those given by “rblackmore” were executed for
> > other reasons. One of them, Goeth, which “rblackmore” claimed
> > was executed by the SS, was actually tried and executed by
> > the Poles after the war.
>
> I would not be surprised if there were not a few disciplined for
> maltreating inmates; I would be very surprised if the victims were Jews. I think
> that we are looking at the “revisionist” bait and switch that Baron has pulled a
> couple of times. There were many inmates at concentration camps that were not
> of the groups for which murder was intended — political prisoners and common
> criminals. Especially in the early years of the concentration camps there was an
> effort to “re-educate” these type of prisoners and it could be expected that these
> prisoners were treated less brutally.
>
> Segev, in “Soldiers of Evil,” argues that one of the reasons that the
> Death’s Head soldiers were as brutal as they were when the KZ became large
> killing and slave labor factories, was that they gradually became inured to an
> increasing level of brutality over the years.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
>From what I read Goeth was arrested by the SS. Perhaps
the source was in error. If so, please provide another source
for this. Grabner and others in the political department at Auschwitz
were also under arrest or about to be arrested, and Hoess was
under investigation as well. Also, in my recent post, Papa Eiche
speaks I have another reference. And of course there was Koch
and members of his staff. There were many others as well.
Murder was prohibited in the Third Reich-and this included
murder of Jews as well.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:02:03 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
>

>
> Mr. blackmore is stomping his little feet again.

Not to your music.
>
> > It is you who should be feeling ridiculous, as
> >your advocates have always snipped and quoted from Hoess
> >whenever it supported their twisted and deranged interpretation
> >of the Holocaust. You and your crowd are losing the argument
> >day by day, and the sad thing is, you don’t even seem to notice.
> >Just like the lemmings…….
>
> Seems like Mr. Blackmore is happy to declare victory despite his
> failure to connect what he presents with any kind of historical fact.

Sounds like you are talking about yourself again. You really
ought to get checked out by a doctor.
>
>
>
>>>>

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>

> You guys are desperate.
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Is that what you think? We aren’t desperate at all. Hoess’s
testimony is worthless. It is trash no matter where or when
he gave it. It is useless as a source of confirmation for
your version of the Holocaust.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:02:04 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
>
> # Hoess writes the Sonderkommando went to work to remove bodies
> # after the gassing, “immediately” (no airing out!)
>
> Liar. He explicitly says that ventilation was used.
>
> # Hoess admits he was “assigned” to write the
> # “extemporaneous” memoirs!
>
> And the Soviets and the Poles also told him to write that
> their estimate for the number of victims is three time more
> than the real number? Now why would they “force him” to write
> something like that?
>
> And why would they “force him” to write that the
> Polish and Soviet POW’s behaved in a despicable manner
> among themselves?
>
> Surely, even someone like you must be able to see that it
> makes no sense?
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Nothing makes sense in the strange world of Holocaust
defense.

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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:

(The usual tripe)
> ——————————————————————————–
>
>>>>
This guy could be given evidence on a silver platter and he’d
still babble some incomprehensible gibberish. Gradually it
was disclosed to me that this man is a fool.

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> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, wrote:
> >> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> >> [email protected] writes:
> >>
> >
> >> # Wonder what happened to those thousands
> >> # of human beings?
> >>
> >> I assume many of them died in Soviet captivity. Just like
> >> the approximately 3 million Soviets who died in Nazi captivity.
> >
> >Do you have proof 3 million Soviet prisoners of war died? That
> >conflicts with Stalin’s statements to Churchill and Truman at Potsdam
> >that 5 million Soviet troops died during the war, as opposed to 3.5
> >-4 million Germans.
>
> Here is your free reading lesson for the day: “troops” is not the same
> thing as “prisoners of war.” Three million prisoners of war who died plus
> two million soldiers killed in action without being taken prisoner = five
> million troops. No conflict. All clear now?
> —
> Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
> POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
> Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.
>
>>>>
I don’t buy it, just like I don’t buy the fake figure
of 20 million Soviet casualties, and don’t patronize
me.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:02:06 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > In a recent correspondence
> > with me you indicated that Nizkors comments were rather terse and
> > superficial,
>
> [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:
>
> > This is another, um, error. I never said any such thing.
>
> > I would now like to ask for
> > your permission to publish the record of our discussions, so that people
> > may know which of us is correct and which of us is incorrect. May I
> > have that permission?
>
> “rblackmore” has informed me in email that I may _not_ have that
> permission.
>
> After sufficient time to review our correspodence, he has not retracted
> his error. Neither has he responded to my correction except with
> belligerence. So I am now calling that error deliberate, i.e. a lie.
>
> I will of course have nothing further to say to “rblackmore” in email;
> why would I want to privately discuss anything with someone who will lie
> publicly about what I supposedly said, refuse to allow the record to be
> cleared, and refuse to retract his lie?
>
> Posted; courtesy copy emailed; please reply publicly.
> —
> Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
> [email protected] Co-Webmaster of https://www.nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
Say what you like, it is of no special concern to me.
Belligerence? What an odd word to use……..

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:02:07 PDT 1996
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[email protected] (ibokor) writes:

“rblackmore” wrote to someone:

Until you decide to abide by honorable
rules of conduct in a debate, I shall
refrain from answering any of your posts,
as I have refrained from answering those
of your pal, Van Alstine. When you are
ready to resume discussion under proper
conditions, e-mail me.

d.A. pointed out:

One of the rules for honourable debate is
not to hide one’s identity.

Who are you, Honourable One?
What is your real name?

To which Gord McFee responds:

Gruss Gott, d.A,

d.A. interrupts:
Gruessen Sie Gott, oder mich?

Gord McFee contiues:

meinst Du dass ein “ehrlicher” Mensch seinen
Namen zugeben sollte? 🙂

d.A. answers:

Selbstverstaendlich! Ich kann schon nachvollziehen,
dass eineR nicht unbedingt seinen/ihren eigenen
Namen benuetzen will. Aber wenn das so sei, sollte
man/frau in der Lage sein, falls darauf angesprochen,
den richtigen Namen anzugeben oder mindestens einen
treffenden Grund zu finden, weshalb man/frau das
nicht tun will.

>
> d.A.
>
>>>>
Since when do I need to give you reasons
for my actions?

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[email protected] (John Morris) writes:
In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:

[email protected] (John Morris) writes:
In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:

If I want my opinion, I’ll ask you for it.

I would also have to say that what you presume to call “research” is
nothing more than a desperate search for props to a quasi-religious
conviction that the Nazis weren’t really such bad chaps after all.
Whatever it is, it sure ain’t historical research.

If anyone has a belief based upon faith it is you, because your
old train schedules and bills are NO evidence for murder, whine
and whimper all you like.

I never said that the railway records were proof of murder. I guess if
I want my opinion I should ask you for it as well?

The point which you seem so consistently and entirely unable to grasp
is that *no* historical event can be proved to have occurred on the
basis of single pieces of evidence. Similarly, no event can be proved
to be a myth on the basis of a few anomalous pieces of evidence.

Don’t tell me what I can and cannot grasp. I grasp it all too well and it
does not convince me. We are talking about alleged murders. You people
had it easy for years because the charter at Nuremberg stated that
the Tribunal and other tribunals to follow would not be restrained
by “technical rules of evidence”. Well, those days are over
and people are now demanding the technical evidence which was
ignored 50 years ago. Of course, they could not supply it then
and you cannot supply it now. It is your problem, not mine. Your
version of the Holocaust is being called to account.

Let’s take an example. If I were to ask you to produce the single most
convincing piece of evidence that World War II had actually occurred,
you could not produce a single piece of convincing evidence. If you
were to produce a copy of the US declarations of war, for instance, I
could immediately object that it contains no record of battles, and
troop movements, no casualty lists, no records of arms manufacture, no
evidence that other countries were involved in the alleged World War.
In order to prove to me that World War II actually occurred you would
have to produce a variety of kinds of evidence *and* give an account> of it.

If you are going to accuse people of murder, you had better be
able to prove it. Aside from that, I am proving your survivors to
have been liars who fabricated tales in order to convict people
and have their revenge. Perhaps not all of them were lying,
or perhaps some exaggerated, or thought they were telling
the truth, but this does not change the fact that most of these
tales are false.
>
> Similarly with the railway records: by themselves, they prove only
> that 1.1 million people are unaccounted for. How can we account for
> them? We can account for them by examining contemporaneous accounts
> and documents.
>
> In January 1942, the various branches of the Nazi military and
> security establishments meet at Wannsee to discuss the final solution
> to the Jewish question. They all agree that the coordinating group for
> the final solution will be the SS, and they further agree that the
> Jews will be rounded up in camps and worked to death, the surviving
> remainder to be “dealt with accordingly.”

These words are not verbatim by any means.

At about the same time,
> Speer and Goering issue directives that Russian prisoners will no
> longer be available for labour in Himmler’s pet project, the model
> town of Auschwitz. About a week later, Himmler issued a directive to
> his officials at Auschwitz to expect a big influx of civilian Jews who
> were to be put to work in Birkenau. As plans for the expansion of
> Birkenau progressed, a big, new crematorium was planned to deal with
> “ordinary” camp mortality. Initially, this crematorium was to be built
> at Auschwitz, but was moved in a succession of plans first to Birkenau
> adjacent to the farmhouses which witnesses said had been used as gas
> chambers, finally settling in the southwest corner of the camp. A
> second identical crematorium was then planned to be built adjacent to
> the first Birkenau crematorium. Between them, these two installations
> of 15 retorts, or “ovens,” each should have been able to deal easily
> with the worst effects of typhus epidemics on the scale that Birkenau
> experienced over the summer of 1942. But then two more crematoria with
> eight retorts each were planned and ultimately constructed in the
> northwest corner of Birkenau.
>
> Meanwhile, on September 26, 1942, a directive was received at
> Auschwitz that the property of inmates was no longer to be accounted
> for but simply seized and shipped into Germany.
>
> As construction of the Birkenau crematoria neared completion two
> internal SS documents were produced. One referred to additional delay
> in construction because the cold of January 1943 prevented the
> concrete in the roof of the “Vergasungskeller” from setting. The other
> was a construction company report on work done to the “Gaskammer” in
> one of the northwest crematoria.

These documents do not refer to lethal gas chambers to
kill human beings, though you choose to attach that
interpretation because it is convenient for you to do so.
>
> Skipping ahead in the narrative, in October 1943, Himmler gave a
> speech of encouragement to a group of demoralized SS officers in which
> he said: “I am talking about the evacuation of the Jews, the
> extermination of the Jewish people. It is one of those things
> that is easily said. ‘The Jewish people is being exterminated.'”

This whole speech is highly controversial and in any event does
not prove that people were being murdered.
>
> This message is starting to become a little lengthy so I won’t burden
> you with accounts of eyewitness testimony and perpetrator confessions,

I wish you would.

> or with forensic reports on cyanide traces or the locations of mass
> graves which match witness accounts.

I have read these reports and they do not prove lethal gassings
to kill human beings.

Instead, I will ask you to do
> something which you have not done so far and that is to give an
> explanation of the railway records which accounts for the following:
>
> 1) an authentic minutes that describes a plan to work Jews to death
> and deal with the rest

Answered this. The Wannsee conference did not mention the killing of
Jews as was attested to by some of the participants decades later.
>
> 2) the construction of a large labour camp with an crematory
> overcapacity to be run by the very people given the task of settling
> the Jewish question

Crematory ovens were common in camps. Auschwitz was a massive
facility, consequently they needed more ovens, especially since they
broke down frequently anyway.
>
> 3) construction documents which make reference to gas chambers at the
> places where bodies are to be disposed of

These refer to gas chambers for delousing and bodies which had died
>from disease or old age, etc.
>
> 4) a document which orders that the accounting of prisoner property
> cease just at the time that the mass murder of inmates is alleged to
> have begun

Taking property for the war effort is not the same as taking lives.
This is apparently a coincidence.
>
> 5) a speech by the man in charge of settling the Jewish question in
> which he says that “the Jews are being exterminated”

This speech is highlly controversial and far from established that
Himmler even uttered the words attributed to him.
>
> 6) forensic reports which show traces of cyanide consistent with
> multiple, short-lived exposures to cyanide gas

This is in certain areas, such as the morgue, where bodies would
be kept longer until autopsies were performed. Consequently, though
these areas were disinfested, they were not disinfested as frequently as
the barracks.
>
> 7) forensic reports which show graves containing human bone and ash
> where witnesses said they ought to be

This is consistent with the thousands who died from epidemics.
>
> 8) eyewitness accounts that people were murdered with poison gas at
> Birkenau

These I have been dealing with slowly but surely. I could
always use more. From these same sources we are told
that 4 million Jews had been killed by gas in 1944.
>
> Now, you may opt for an argument that claims that all of these bits of
> evidence are the result of lies, torture, chicanery, and forgery. I
> will expect you to prove each allegation of an imposture.

I have given my explanation. You will give yours, of course, which
will expectedly be at complete variance with mine, as I am
referred to as a “denier” and you a “defender”.
>
> Or, you can construct your own narrative which deals with a mere eight
> pieces of evidence and which provides a complete and coherent
> alternative account of the railway records that shows that the Nazis
> meant the Jews no harm–or some such thing.

In brief, I supplied it for you. However, I plan to post some of
the problems I have with the article writtren by Pressac and
Van Pelt in Anatomy of a Death camp.
>
> If you are serious about debating history, you will at least attempt
> to deal with the evidence like an historian.

If there is no evidence per se, then we must try and
use our common sense, and the situation seems to be
dualistic in nature.
>
> Otherwise you are free to produce yet another smartass remark or
> sniggering pun on somebody’s name to evade the question altogether.

I would not do this so often if everyone else behaved
more courteously. I have demonstrated great restraint
and patience with some of the people who post here, but
if they wish to continnue wiith the insults, smartass remarks
and sniggering puns is all you may expect.
rb
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
> —
>

>
>>>>

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:02:09 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] (Derek Bell) writes:
> —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—–
>
>

>>>>
You also forgot to mention that my posts are
obviously getting to you. Not to fear-more are on the
way.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:02:09 PDT 1996
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> Chuck Ferree writes:
> Chuck Ferree wrote:

>
> Don’t have anything to do with it. If you do date it, let me go along as
> a shot-gun guard. It’s afraid of me, and knows I will get it for certain
> given half a chance.
>
> Chuck Ferree
> >
> > d.A.
>
>>>>
Chuckle chuckle.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:02:10 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken)
> writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] writes:
> :>> > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> :>
> :>> > You¹ve posted nothing which has not already been soundly refuted.
> :>
> :>> Daydream believer…….
> :>
> :> Realist.
>
> Note that the witty and urbane Mr. “Blackmore” is now reduced to quoting old
> Monkees songs.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Funny that you recognize them……

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:52:19 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Ken Lewis) wrote:
>
> > On 23 Oct 1996 02:55:27 GMT, [email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:
>
> > >Ganz einverstanden. Sollte es dann heissen, dass es sich hier um einen
> > >ehrlichen Menschen nicht handelt? Mein Gott, das Leben ist traurig!
> > >Merkwuerdig sich daran zu erinnern, dass unser “Freund” behauptet hat,
> dass er
> > >Deutsch kann. Ich befrage mich warum er seine Meinung nicht ausdrueckt.
> >
> >
> > You expect us all to read this Gord? Hell, it maight as well be written in
> > German.
>
> Obviously Mr. McFee has forgotten the first rule of posting in German. It
> has to be in Portuguese.
>
> ——————-
> … war begins, I believe, in our hearts. And that is where it must end.
> (Hunthausen)
>
>>>>
In any event, the message wasn’t meant for you-it was
meant for me.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:52:20 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>
> > > You¹ve posted nothing which has not already been soundly refuted.
>
> > Daydream believer…….
>
> Realist.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Liar, or is that “lawyer”? No difference.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:52:21 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> : > [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
>
> : > You have no credibility up to this point. the answer is no.
>
> : Is your name Annie?
>
> Let me ask you something, Mr. Belling–why is it that when you
> deniers and antisemites are cornered on something, you so often
> use this little trick of pretending that you’re involved in a private
> conversation, in which nobody else is allowed to participate?
>
> That ain’t the way usenet works, Mr. Belling.
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
It doesn’t work the way you want it to either.
Of course you have evidence I am an anti-Semite
don’t you? Oh. You don’t? You just say it
because you think it makes you look good and
makes me look bad, is that it? Sure, it is……

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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) wrote:
>
> >[email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:
> >
> >>:>They have no further evidence.
> >
> >>Bullshit. Former SS admitted that a Sonderaktion was a codeword for killing.
> >>Eichmann admitted it; I would assume he would know. Franz Suchomel admitted
> >>it–he was an SS guard.
> >
> >Oh yeah, Franz Suchomel; gave another “come-lately” interview on some Jewish documentary.
> >He said special action meant “gassing.”
>
> Eichmann explained this also in much the same way. How many other
> Nazis understood this term to mean killing? Höss also.
>
> > And other SS guards said the word didn’t mean
> >gassing.
>
> Mr. Stele will present this testimony for us I am sure.
>
> > Once again, another inconclusive contradiction. Once again, no physical
> >evidence to resolve it. That speaks volumes.
> >
>
> No contradiction has been presented by Mr. Stele.
>
>
>
>>>>
No physical evidence has been presented by you.
rb

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] (Hilary
> Ostrov)Sat, 19 Oct 1996 05:51:05 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>In <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gord McFee)
> :>wrote:
> :>
> :>>In message <[email protected]> –
> :>>[email protected] (Gregory Taylor)17 Oct 1996 02:21:51 GMT
> :>>writes:
> :>>:>
> :>>:>Let’s see – a recently vanished denier who starts out civil and then
> :>>:>slips into snotty ad hominems as time goes on. It’s so difficult to
> :>>:>place when the reminders aren’t physical traits (like an arm which keeps
> :>>:>going Dr. Strangelove straight, that teensy mustache, some telltale
> :>>:>typing problem, a hair lick which just *won’t* stay in place, etc.).
> :>
> :>>Sort of reminds you of a currently posting denier who started out civil and
> :>>then slipped into snotty ad hominems, doesn’t it? 🙂
> :>
> :>Well, I’ve been away for a while and I see that the Prodigal Poster
> :>has returned once more to grace us with yet another platitudinous
> :>pontification … If memory serves me correctly, he too started out
> :>civil (with each of his grand entrances) and lapsed into not only ad
> :>hominems but also ad feminems, leaving a trail of dangling threads
> :>behind him.
> :>
> :>Are we thinking of the same poster, Gord?!
>
> Yes, we are.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Take a look at yourself before you criticize anyone else.

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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>
> > > > > [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> >
> > > > > You responded to a forged post from Matt Giwer.
>
> > > > Can’t you see we’re playing with you? Silly people.
>
> > >>I am simply not concerned with what Mr. Giwer does, unlike
> > you people, who appear to go into a frenzy whenever his name is
> > mentioned.
>
> At this point we are concerned with you. The clear implication of this
> statement goes beyond mere knowledge. It indicates that you were involved with
> the actual forgery. Your evasions do not help.
>
> –YFE
>
>>Paranoid nut.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:52:24 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
>
> > > >Can’t you see we’re playing with you? Silly people.
>
> > > Pardon me? Are you saying that you were a party to forging my name and
> > > userid on posts to alt.revisionism?
>
> > Think whatever you like-you do anyway. Paranoid kook.
>
> It is hardly paranoid. He, like many of us, was a victim of a crime in
> which you now claim participation.
>
> > Fact is, I have NO ties to Mr. Giwer at all, nor do I care
> > what he does. That is your problem.
>
> Were you lying when you stated “we’re palying with you” or are you
> lying now?
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
You seem to be the expert at lying-you tell me.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:52:24 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Cremation Furnaces for ‘Bath Installations’?
Date: 25 Oct 1996 14:50:09 GMT
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

In article <[email protected]>, Jean-Francois Beaulieu wrote:

[email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:

The document in Prufer1.jpg and Prufer2.jpg, web page
https://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/p/prufer.kurt/images/ ,
is interesting. It discusses (in item 2) the construction of
cremation furnaces at the “‘bath installations for
special operations'” (sonderaktionen), in Birkenau.

Why do bath installations require cremation furnaces? Any
“revisionist” out there willing to explain this?

I’ll check later this letter, but don’t be ridicoulous: he
state AT the bath installations, and kremas 4 and 5 were built
close to a preexisting steam bath building….

[snip]

Nice try, Mr. Beaulieu, but no cigar. Construction of the Zentral Sauna in
Birkenau did not BEGIN until June 1943. Krema IV became operational on
March 22, 1943, and Krema V on April 4, 1943. (Pressac, _Technique_,
pp.65,379.)

> >By my reckoning, Mr. Beaulieu, that means that people were already being
> >murdered in Kremas IV and V before the ground was even broke for the
> >construction of the Zentral Sauna.
> >
> >Oops. Another denier lie bites the dust….
> >
>
> He’s probably a better distortionist than Mr. “Blackmore” so maybe
> he’s worth watching as he grovels. The only unfortunate part is I do
> not have a copy of Pressac. It appears to be important in threads
> involving Beaulieu. This is what has basically kept me away. Since I’m
> an honest person, I can’t comment on something I do not have. But I’ll
> pay more attention here. Practically everyone else is killfiled.
>
> That includes all the Giwers.
>
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://www.nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
You display your ignorance again. Multi-faceted ignorance
at that. These facilities all had shower/bath facilities, as
the people who worked near or in the cremation ovens handled
bodies all day, silly man. They also worked in autopsy rooms,
and with delousing, so “special operations” need not have
the sinister connotation you wish to assign to it.

“Your beliefs are your reality. If you don’t like the reality
you see, change your beliefs.”

Oops, another defender bites the dust.
rb

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:52:25 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Miloslav Bilik) writes:
>

>
> No evidence, uh ? if you’re not “ready”, I can understand that you
> believe it.
>
>
>
>
>>>>
Well, Sherlock, Hirt “disappeared”? According to other sources,
he committed suicide. In any event, it was a convenient disappearance.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:52:26 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 18 Oct 1996 12:04:02 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> >> On Sun, 13 Oct 1996 03:17:11 -0800, [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine)
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >Perhaps Herr Schwarzesel should try clicking his ruby shoes together while
> >> >saying “There’s no place like home!” Who knows, maybe he’ll end up in
> >> >Hitler’s bunker….
>
> >> Where he’d doubtless be so tickled he’d pee himself.
>
> >No, I’d aim in your direction.
>
> Thank you for confirming it. It is exactly the behavior I would expect from
> a lowlife, scumbag, Nazi apologist such as yourself, Herr Belling. However,
> I would not be in Hitler’s bunker. That is a privilege reserved for Nazi’s,
> Wannabees, and lowlife, scumbag, Nazi apologists such as yourself.

You are an imbecile. Just listen to yourself. Fool.
You insult me and you expect me to ignore your ignorance?
I
>
> Of course, perhaps you were speaking figuratively, in which case I suspect
> you’d still dribble down your leg.

And right into your mund.
>
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 09:52:27 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Apology to Nizkor & Jamie M.
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >I don’t know if he reads them, but you ought to…Allied
> >torture—a matter of policy.
>
> Prove the policy, Mr. Blackmore.
>
> [Bouncing ball–his court.]
>
>
>
>
>>>>
Already done.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:40 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Apology to Nizkor & Jamie M.
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 09:10:37 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>
> :>> Once again Mr. Beaulieu, you have posted something which has nothing at all to
> :>> do with the thread of this discussion. Do you read your posts before you send
> :>> them?
>
> :>I don’t know if he reads them, but you ought to…Allied
> :>torture—a matter of policy.
>
> Nazi extermination of the Jews—a matter of policy.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
A matter of fraud.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:40 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> > Big Deal? And, no, I do not believe that over
> > a million people died at Auschwitz and I will post why
> > eventually.
>
> OOOhhhhhh… I can’t WAIT!
>
> Sara
>
> —
> “I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy.”
> Samuel Butler
>
>
>>>>
Goodnight, Gracie.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:41 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Another blackmore Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:

>
> Thanks for commenting here that the Poles hung Goeth. I even
> understood that from the movie. Reitlinger also makes this clear. Like
> a previous incarnate who played games with mauve and ausrotten, this
> new incarnation is getting to look the fool also. Soon we’ll be
> blessed with another.

Who, you?
>
>
>
>>>>
I see no contradiction. The SS themselves arrested these men, along
with others like Grabner, and Hoess was under investigation
as well.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:42 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> > > No I have never forged anybody’s name to a post.
>
> > > Now answer the question: were you involved.
>
> > > Any response but a direct answer will be taken as a positive
> response.
>
> > Take it however you like, you always do.
>
> Any way you want it, little boy. A complaint about your forgery to
> your ISP will shortly be filed.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>You better be able to prove I sent a forgery before
you make an ass out of yourself, which seems to be a habit
of yours….rather chronic I would say.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:42 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> > We are discussing Auschwitz here, and I really
> > have made any definitive statement yet.
> > rb
>
> Hmmm… a little problem with grammar here?
>
> You really have NEVER made any definitive statements. Just a lot of nonsense.
>
> Sara
>
> —
> “I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy.”
> Samuel Butler
>
>

Goodnight, Gracie.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:43 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (Derek Bell) writes:
> —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—–
>
> [email protected] writes:
> >It is clear, our “Gandhi” is no Mahatma.
> >rb
>
> Looks like rblackmore has run out of arguments, so he’s reduced to
> insulting Rajiv – not that I’m surprised or anything.
>
> Derek
>
> —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—–
>

>
>>>>
Look who’s talking…..

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:44 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message [email protected] (Mark
> Van Alstine) writes:
> :>
> :>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gord
> :>McFee) wrote:
>
> [deleted]
>
> :>> Nazi extermination of the Jews—a matter of policy.
> :>
> :>A self-admitted and well docmented matter of Nazi policy, lest we forget!
>
> Indeed. And honest people not only do not forget, they also don’t deny.
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
How can we deny what is untrue to begin with?

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 09:14:06 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> :>>
> :>..
> :>>
> :>> That’s all very nice Mr. Beaulieu, but it doesn’t disprove my statement one
> :>> little bit. I said that none of the defendants was tortured at Nuremberg and
> :>> this incident, which isn’t torture anyway, happened before Sauckel was
> :>> transferred to Nuremberg. Please try to keep up.
>
> :>Either way, Gordon, you are in error. There are many types of
> :>torture. Not only were some of these defendants tortured
> :>phsically, but psychologically as well.
>
> I see. Whether or not Mr. Beaulieu is correct, _I_ am in error. Whether or
> not the Nuremberg defendants ever claimed to be tortured, they were tortured.
> I understand.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
You’re making progress.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:45 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> >> [email protected] writes:
> >>
> >> >> This is the same writer who explicitly blamed Katyn on the Nazis?
> >> >> Very reliable source, obviously. Not to mention the moral idiocy
> >> >> of justifying genocide by the fact that some members of the group
> >> >> being annihilated choose to fight back.
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >The fighting started way before you suggest they
> >> >fought back…….
> >>
> >> When is that, exactly? How long do you think the Jews were
> >> obligated to wait before fighting back? Until after their
> >> extermination, perhaps?
> >>
> >Are you asking me or telling me?
>
> I’m asking you when “I” suggested they fought back. Are you having
> trouble with English?
>
>>>>
No. Are you having trouble with my question?

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:46 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Perhaps he’d prefer to be on Schindler’s list? Anyway, it
> >most certainly was NOT Reitlinger’s work which induced Piper
> >to alter the fraudulent figure of 4 million dead at Auschwitz, as
> >Reitlinger’s book was published decades before this lie was
> >finally admitted by Piper.
>
> Screamingly obvious non-sequitur.
>
>>>>
To your screamingly obvious crap.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:47 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 21 Oct 1996 09:01:54 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> >> On 14 Oct 1996 08:33:29 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> >It is not a lie. The monuments (plural) stated that
> >> >4 million human beings perished at Auschwitz. Don’t
>
> >> If you dd not lie, then why did you clearly state that the monuments said
> >> ‘Jews?’ And what do you call this statement of falsehood that you are on
> >> record as having said?
>
> >Though the monument did not refer explicity to Jews,
> >it is clear that the overwhelming majority of victims was
> >considered to be Jews, as the deaths of all other nationalities
> >were accounted for in other publications by Polish and
> >Auschwitz authorities. In either event, it is one and the
> >same LIE, and all the nit-picking in the world isn’t going to
> >help you.
>
> It is hardly nit-picking, Herr Belling. You told an untruth. You would not
> own up to having made it. It is not the irst time. Nor, I suspect will it be
> the last.
>
>
>>>>
And you have told 6 million untruths. When do you plan
to beg our forgiveness?

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:47 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>

> I would respect you more if you were to summon your not inconsiderable
> intellect and draw the appropriate conclusion from your own statements: you
> are a denier.
>
> Posted and e-mailed.
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Note that I answered this in detail in e-mail.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:48 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> >>
> >
> >.
> >>
> >> And tell me again how it is that a fraud case involving the invention
> >> of fake living relatives proves that the Nazis didn’t kill any Jews.
> >
> >Well, it certainly proves that they never killed those “Jews” doesn’t it?
>
> Well, duh.
>
> I take it, then, that you cannot “relate a few stories on that theme
> as well, like a Jewish man who was arrested and convicted for FRAUD
> for claiming dozens of faked dead relatives in order to scam the
> German government” as you claimed in your previous post.
>
> >If you can’t believe the messengers, how can you believe the
> >message?
>
> Oh dear, this is too harsh. I prefer to be more generous and say that
> you were mistaken in your belief that German government paid
> reparations for the lives of those killed by the Nazis.
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://www.nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
You’d prefer to have 6 million dead too, it seems to me.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:49 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 14 Oct 1996 08:33:29 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> >It is not a lie. The monuments (plural) stated that
> >4 million human beings perished at Auschwitz. Don’t
>
> If you dd not lie, then why did you clearly state that the monuments said
> ‘Jews?’ And what do you call this statement of falsehood that you are on
> record as having said?
>
>>>>
What do you call this falsehood of 4 million
dead at Auschwitz? Whose falsehood is the greater?

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:49 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>

>
> No, it is a different lie, and all the squirming and evasion in the
> world isn’t going change the impression that you are talking through
> your hat.
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
> —

>
>>>>
6 million lies, fake gas chambers, and you have the nerve to
call me on this tiny error. What hypocrisy. The day is
soon coming when the lie will be exposed completely and
you will have to find another fraud to defend.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:50 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> > > [email protected] writes:
> > >
> > > Blackmoron, are you completely nuts? Yale and everyone else
> > > have been telling you that 1) the 4 million figure is false
> > > (you’re beating a dead horse) and 2) the figure seems to have
> > > been disseminated by the Polish Communist government in an
> > > attempt to obscure the fact that the majority of victims were
> > > Jewish. Your quotes do nothing to change this. Read them.
> > > Where are Jews mentioned?
> > >
> > > Your victory-crowing with a quote which supports you not in the
> > > slightest is grotesque. What’s wrong with you, anyway?
> > >
> > >>>>
> > Apparently what’s wrong with you is worse than what is wrong
> > with me. Fool, my point was, how many of the 4,000,000 given
> > by the Polish Commission referred to non-Jews specifically? If
> > you break it down, you will see that the OVERWHELMING majority
> > of these faked figures were still claimed to be Jews.
> > Also, here is the figure given by the Jewish author Nathan Ausubel
> > in his widely disseminated book, “The Pictorial History of the Jewish people”
> > which went through more than 11 editions and repeated the same
> > lie over and over again:
> >
> > “…in Oswiecim and its subsidiary plants, almost 4,000,000 Jewish
> > lives were snuffed out.” Page 261.
>
> You¹re quoting a source printed in 1961, which is about 35 years ago, but
> of course, you know that. You also know that Holocaust historians do not
> subscribe to the figure of 4 million and have not for decades. You¹re
> beating a dead horse.
>
>

If I am, it is a horse which you and your fellow believers
drove to death years ago.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:51 PDT 1996
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mcurtis writes

I wonder if Mr. Blackmore would mind telling us the exact location of
this billboard?

No, he won’t. I wouldn’t want to deprive you of the
chance to call me a liar.

[snip]

Yes, if the figures and alleged murders were based upon fraud.
Millions of Germans were murdered after the war as well.

Based on authoritative documentation like someone’s alleged after-
diner speech at a Rotary Club.

Among others, yes. It is clear that it is you who is
the denier and hater.

It wasn’t alleged, and the Judge repeated these comments at
many other public funtions.

This doesn’t changed Mr. Power’s words, Mr. Balckmore.

His words are nonsense.

Explain–specifically–how the figure of four million dead (of
whatever ethnic group) at Auschwitz has been involved
with “significant amounts of money”. One specific, actual example.
Are you saying it hasn’t been used either to raise money or else elicit sympathy?

Prove to us that it has. This would be a starting point.

Nope. You know it has and others believe it as well.
>
> >I personally can and do sympathize with those who suffered, but I am
> >not in sympathy with those who use the sufferings of others for financial
> >gain or as propaganda.
>
> This must be why they are all labeled as liars by you.

If the shoe fits, wear it.
>
> >> That’s because you’re a moral imbecile, not to see the difference
> >> between an act of war and actions of extermination taken even at the
> >> cost of a war effort.
> >
> >Killing civilians is NOT an act of war. I repeat, killing civilians is
> >NOT an act of war. It is barbarism, but that you for showing us
> >the nature of your dual standards. What you condemn in one
> >you condone in another.
>
> I haven’t seen Mr. Power do what you accuse him of.

Then do some reading or ask him outright.
>
> >>
> >> Honesty is not among your motives.
> >
> >Thank you for telling me my motives. I must tell you yours sometime.
>
> You haven’t a clue, Mr. Blackmore. Otherwise you wouldn’t be here.

Oh? Indeed I am only too aware of your obvious motives.
>
>
>
>>>>

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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>
>
> > Shirer is a far cry from an unnbiased historian. What I
> > posted is the result of the latest research. The facts
> > of this case are somewhat different from the old war
> > propaganda Shirer reguritates for the masses.
>
> Crap. The facts are that your nazi heroes lined up disarmed prisoners and
> machined-gunned them to death. When they had finished they went over the their
> victims and finished off the wounded. Only a few survived.
>
> This was the standard procedure for this rather brutal SS unit.
>
> You really *do* beleive all the lies the apologists for the nazis feed you, don’t
> you?
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
I don’t know why I even bother with you but
I will refer you to the latest book on this subject
which contradicts everything you write-and no,
it is noot a revisionist publication.

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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:

Or is there an underlying hatred, Mr. Blackmore? This discussion is
not really to get attention. (Well, maybe this is what you seek. It’s
what Matt Giwer and Kurt Stele seek. I thought you were more down to
earth than those creatures of wasted time.)

No, as a matter of fact, I’m a lover, not a fighter. My only criticism of
Ms. Bimko is that she lied under oath.

Which Mr. Blackmore have failed to provide proof of.

I believe I supplied more than enough proof. I turn the
matter over to the sentient browsers.

Is there an underlying hatred? Only of the lies some people tell under
oath, which may have led to the death sentence for people who did
not deserve it, as well as propagating the horrific lie that 4 million
Jews were gassed to death at Auschwitz.

This seems to be a distortion that Mr. Blackmore hopes to hoist on
this group since Mr. Blackmore chooses to continually repeat it. The
trouble is that no one believes Mr. Blackmore.

Who appointed you to speak for “everyone”, Mr. Curtis?

Mr. Blackmore once again demonstrates his lack of scholarity and civility.

And if I were to count how many times I have been insulted by you
and your colleagues, and post it, you would stand self- convicted of
being a hypocrite.

Such crude rhetoric can only emanate from a person
totally immersed in his hatred.

Odd definition you have of crude rhetoric……

Such crude rhetoric which you and your colleagues have
indulged in either together or separately proves that it is
YOU and your “friends” who are totally immersed in hatred.
Yet you have the shameless insolence to attempt to attribute
your faults to me. People can read for themselves the comments
made by you and such people as McVay, Van Alstine, Ken Lewis,
and Power.

Mr. Blackmore seems to think that I should be associated with other
members of this conference and should take the blame for what they do.
It seems that Mr. Blackmore should be looking at the history of Nazi
Germany and the subject of this discussion rather than bring in other
persons not involved in this discussion.

I wish you take your own advice more often, and I would
have to write less.

He has exposed nothing. He refuses to
understand the principle of convergence of evidence. He defends his
badly phrased statements, most of which are taken out of context.

Another lie and distortion, which people may test for themselves.
My purpose is not to quote out of context, but to post their
obvious lies.

Mr. Blackmore’s methods have indeed been demonstrated by this member
and others participating in this conference. Mr. Blackmore is indeed
correct that other persons can an will decide for themselves.

Good. That is what I have always wanted.

Mr. Blackmore hasn’t shown there to be much straw presented other than
the putrid straw he has presented as “evidence” to this conference.

If it is putrid it is putrid by the acts of the people you seek to
defend.

“Langsshnitt durch, eine Entlausungkammer mit
Degesch-Kreislanufanordnung”

signifies and why this unusual device is installed several times
in another section of the crematorium. Mr. Blackmore can’t
and won’t explain this.

Why is this unusual, in your opinion?

The question was put to you, Mr. Blackmore.

Now I am putting it to you and then I will give you
my opinion.

Yes. I will. Sections of Dachau were rebuilt AFTER the war.

Mr. Blackmore will not get off that easily on this point. He will
have to prove that the fumigation chambers on the Southern side of
the Dachau crematorium were built after the war. He cannot do this
because he has lied.

No, you have to prove that they were built before the war.

Or maybe during? Clue: There are two different kinds of crematorium at
Dachau. There difference is mighty interesting. But that is for you to
research. Answer the questions put to you, Mr. Blackmore. One gets the
feeling that this Mr. Blackmore really has no understanding and is
being fed information. It is possible that this is the reason he can’t
deal with the questions.

I am not being fed information by anyone.

He will also have to explain how the devices
mentioned above (which were built long before the war ended)
found themselves into the peculiar place that they are now
located.

The expression refers to a delousing area. What is so unusual
about that?

That’s one area. There is another you haven’t addressed.

And what you want to say is that this referred to a lethal gas chamber.
I don’t buy it.

This does not obscure the fact that the gas chamber exists to this
date and that photographs and motion pictures taken when the camp fell
in 1945 show this chamber much the same as it is now.

Right. The Germans supposedly completed this “gas chamber”
in late 1944! When they KNEW the war was lost and that the
allies would soon overrun the camp. This makes absolutely NO
sense, as the Nazis, according to another post here, had already
begun disassembling the camp by the time the Americans
arrived. Obviously, if they were to disassemble anything-it
would have been the “gas chamber”. That this was not done
suggests that it was indeed NOT a lethal gas chamber.

The only “fact” that exists is that Dachau possessed delousing chambers
and crematoria, just like every other KZ.

We were discussing the gas chamber there. Again Mr. Blackmore fails to address the issues with any
substance.

Let us hear you address it, Mr. Curtis.

2) Natzweiler was so obviously used as a gas chamber that there
is a document written by the Nazis:

Confirm this document is authentic. where did it come from, who found
it, was it signed, of so, by whom, and where is the wirtten response to
the inquiry or statement? Your “documents” are NOT documents until
proven so beyond the shadow of a doubt.

This sort of statement is expected from deniers

Yes. This is the sort of statement that all inquirers want to ask-
where is the proof? Mr. Curtis finds that unusual. I wonder why?
You are the one who is trapped, by the way.

Mr. Blackmore needs to keep reading before Mr. Blackmore puts his foot
into his keyboard.

, we will
refer sentient readers of this thread to peruse the following:

From:
> >>
_NAZI MASS MURDER_ Eugen Kogon et al. Editors
c. 1993, Yale University Press

[Pages 199-200]
(Statement presented by SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer Josef Kramer
presented in July 1945 to the investigating judge at the
Strasbourg Trial)

(snip)

I snipped the statement as it is irrelevant.

Ah, snipped proof and calls it irrelevant. How convenient for Mr.
Blackmore than he can change threads and edit posts.

Hundreds of people also
testified that they kissed the devil’s behind and made potions out
of eyes of newts and so on. People “confess” to crimes they never
commit quite frequently. Sometimes they “confess” under pressure
and coercion, as did Kramer, as his first statement, which WAS made
freely and without coercion, does not refer to any of the nonsense he
testified to later. Seeing that torture, intimidation, etc. was a matter of
policy for the allies, his statement and the statements of the others
are not credible. Indeed, when we examine them in detail, they sound
absurd and contrary to common logic.

The above addresses nothing but is just another example of Mr.
Blackmore stomping his little feet.

We will leave it for the browsers to decide.

FN79: “See n. 76, exhibit 1806/V/I. See also Nuremb. Doc.
807-NO, fols. 120ff. […] {See also} …exhibits 085-NO, 087-NO,
088-NO, 089-NO, 091-NO…[…] Other SS members testified to the
gassings (the head of the work allocation office in Natzweiler,
Nitsche, ibid. file no. 4, bundle 12, exhibit 2277) […]

Will Mr. Blackmore post evidence that the testimony and the documents
are false? No, he won’t, because he has lied.

I have responded to this-and I do not lie.

I see that Mr. Blackmore doesn’t address the information but stomps
his little feet a little faster.

And I am playing guitar as I do so.

[page 199 — Reference 2]

“On 26 September 1943 the construction department
of the Natzweiler camp, managed by the Waffen SS and
police, sent the following bil

[…] even if this particular chamber was a lethal one, which
you need to prove-there is nothing illegal in the State using this form
of execution for those condemned to death. we use gas chambers in
America for the same purpose. They are called “legal executions”.

AHA! The denier’s typical caveat. The victims were not killed by gas
but if they were killed by gas it was a legal execution! Mr.
Blackmore has reached unsuspected heights of dissimulation.

Poppycock. The Third Reich was the legitimate government in
Germany at the time.

Mr. Blackmore will of course present us with the sentences and the
trials for the crimes these folks committed. It is good to see that
Mr. Blackmore does admit that gas was used in Nazi Germany proper and
it seems Mr. Blackmore is willing to admit in the above paragraph that
gassing was done at Dachau.

I admitted no such thing. I said IF gas was used it would be
no different than a legal execution in the states. I also said you need
to prove it, which you have not done.

The truth, for concerned and sentient readers, is that these innocent
victims were selected in Auschwitz for a collection of skeletons that
> >> Dr. Hirt had been authorized to produce.
> >
> >I will deal with this at a later date, but please rest assured that Mr.
> >Curtis is not dealing with a full deck.
> >
>
> Insults seem to be the prefered method of argumentation for Mr.
> Blackmore.

The remark did not refer to you personally. Paranoid?
>
> > For the more curious and
> >> un-sqeamish, _The Struthof Album_ [New York: Beate Klarsfeld
> >> Foundation, 1985] will supplement, with both photographic and
> >> documentary evidence,
> >
> >Yes, photos taken from a School of Anatomy!
>
> Tell the people here about those photos, Mr. Blackmore.

They are what you would expect to see in any school for
Anatomy. Dissected cadavers.
>
> >
> >> Mr. Blackmore is reminded of the footnote on page 197 regarding the
> >> origins of the victims. There is, of course, nothing wrong in Mr.
> >> Blackmore’s eyes, with killing young Jewish women from Greece.

Come off it, Mike. That is going too far even for you.
> >
> >I have seen these photos and let me ask you who else besides these
> >alleged women from Greece were included?
>
> You did not address the source or the footnote, Mr. Blackmore.

You did not answer my question.
>
> >>
> >> > I think it rather foolish to construct a gas chamber
> >> >for only 80 odd people, when they could have simply been given
> >> >a phenol shot. Sounds like propaganda to me. And I have read
> >> >about the construction of this alleged “gas chamber”. If what I
> >> >read is indeed true then I denounce the accusation most emphatically.
> >>
> >> What Mr. Blackmore “thinks” lacks relevance. Unless he has proof
> >> to the contrary, his statements are worthless.
> >
> >The same applies to you. You have not met the burden of proof in
> >any case. And sometimes we need to look beyond what appearances
> >seem to be to get to the real truth.
>
> Mr. Blackmore stomps his little feet.

No, you have stomped YOUR little feet and curled your
little toes. Where is your proof?

What I have done may be beyond
> the call of duty when dealing with deniers. I have posted proof of the
> convergence of evidence.

Your circumstantial convergence of usually contrived
evidence is far less convincing than plain old good
common sense.

The reader has been able to get some idea as
> to the historical method. What they have received from Mr. Blackmore
> are out of context quotations and outright distortions. Then when
> confronted with the obvious Mr. Blackmore would rather insult and
> suggest rather than address the history by the historical method.
>
It is clear who does most of the insulting here-your
colleagues.
> >>
> >> Mr. Blackmore “denounces” and denies but offers no proof whatsoever
> >> to substantiate his odious allegations.

You accuse and defend and you offer no proof whatsoever to
substantiate your base accusations.
> >
> >I make no allegations other than that the “proofs” you rely upon
> >to prove your allegations are in many cases a fraud. That I have
> >proven time and time again. You are pedaling backwards.
> >
>
> Mr. Blackmore is still stomping in frustration. So all is a fraud.

I never said “all” did I? You just convicted yourself of
manipulating words: Look above: what I said was “many
cases of fraud”. And now browsers may see the liberties
you take with people’s statements.

The
> testimony presented from cited sources (including the very sources Mr.
> Blackmore chooses to use himself!) are all fraud.

Your words again.

Why is this? Because
> they are inconvenient and counter Mr. Blackmore’s distortions. This
> dear reader is what Mr. Blackmore is left with and is instructive to
> the “revisionist” method.

Well, you are becoming tiresome now.
>
> > His “sounds like propaganda to
> >> me” statement is nothing more than an admission that he cannot face
> >> the truth. More is the pity.
> >
> >No, it is an admission that it sounds like propaganda to me.
>
> Sounding like something does not make it so.

Neither does “looking like something”.
>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> To which we add the testimony of Josef Kramer:
> >> >
> >> >Yes. kramer was brutalized by his captors. Witches also testified
> >> >to making potions out of the eyes of newts and boiled down baby fat.
> >> >His testimony does you no good.
> >>
> >> It is easy to malign Kramer’s captors with a slanderous statement.

They maligned themselves by their actions.
> >
> >Right, Mike….the Germans were never mistreated, murdered, tormented,
> >brutalized, or threatened in any way….is that what you are saying….?
> > It is quite something else to prove that Kramer was brutalized.
> >
>
> Which you haven’t done so far. The Generalization that germans were
> brutalized does not specifically go to this case and the data
> available. I could claim that most of the survivors were brutalized.
> This is an obvious given, however.

Given from you, of course.
>
> >It is quite something else to prove your ridiculous and hateful accusations.
> >
> >> The
> >> testimony that Kramer presented was good enough to hang him.
> >
> >In other words, nil, as his sentence had been predetermined anyway.
> >
>
> Proof is something that Mr. Blackmore fails to provide.

He was hanged, wasn’t he?
>
> >> Furthermore, Kramer was not the only perpetrator that admitted to
> >> the gas chambers.
> >
> >Already went into this. He did NOT admit it until he was in “custody”
> >a while.
> >
> > Mr. Blackmore ought to read his _Belsen Trial_
> >> testimonies and interrogatories rather more closely.
> >
>
> [] = Mr. Blackmore stomps his little feet.
>
> >Don’t make suggestions that you do not adhere to yourself.
>
> []
>
> >
> >> How many
> >> people apart from Kramer saw the gas chambers according to the
> >> testimony in the book? Curious minds want to know.
> >>
> >> >And where are these orders?
> >>
> >> Mr. Blackmore is kindly referred to [FN79] above.
> >
> >In other words-there is no proof.
>
> Note that Mr. Blackmore ignores the evidence.

The evidence is not there. To you any accusation
is “evidence”.
>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 3) To end this small exercise in unmasking Mr. Blackmore’s deceit,
> >> >> we will go to Neuengamme.
> >> >
> >> >On the contrary, it is not my “deceit” which is unmasked, but your
> >> >low level of common sense, along with no proof to back up your
> >> >claims.
> >>
> >> Good grief! Mr. Blackmore offers no evidence whatsoever to back up
> >> his odious insinuations
> >
> >Good Grief! Where is your proof that there ever WAS a lethal
> >gas chamber at Neuengamme? Your accusations are sounding
> >more and more like the witch trials every day. You need PROOF,
> >Mr. Curtis……
>
> Good grief! Mr. Blackmore offers no evidence whatsoever to back up
> his odious insinuations
>
> >
> >. He is is obviously carrying out an exercise in
> >> Kafkian logic.
> >
> >I am carrying out an exercise in credibility-YOURS, specifically,
> >and you are not faring too well, I fear.
> >
>
> []
>
> > [Page 193 — Reference 2]
> >> >>
> >> >> “It has been proved that two gassing operations took place
> >> >> at the Neuengamme camp near Hamburg
> >> >
> >> >Who proved this? When? Where? How? Documentation?
> >>
> >> Does one hear the stamping of tiny feet once again?

No, one hears legitimate questions which you shirk
>from answering.
> >
> []
>
> >> Mr. Blackmore
> >> rattles off one question after another, but offers no proof to the
> >> contrary

Why don’t you try answering for a change?
> >
> >You rattle off one accusation after another with no proof to back it
> >up other than quotes out of context and witnesses who either lied
> >out of malice or lied because they were mistreated. Hardly convincing.
> >
>
> []
>
> >> Even the more ‘rational’ deniers do better than that. For
> >> those readers who are more in control of their faculties, a visit to
> >> [FN69, page 193] of _Nazi Mass Murder_ is suggested.
> >
> >Yes, the same reference you criticized when I cited it to prove
> >that Goering’s mandate to Heydrich had nothing to do with killing
> >people. Caught in your own web again.
>
> []
>
> >> >
> >> > Soviet prisoners of war from Fallingbostel POW camp in the
> >> >> Luneberg Heath were brought to Neuengamme, and were
> >> >> killed as soon as they arrived.
> >>
> >> >Proof?
> >>
> >> More anguished, whimpering demands for “proof.” It is apparent
> >> that Mr. Blackmore is incapable of looking up references without
> >> being led by the hand: Once again, gently, FN69, page 193, of
> >> _Nazi Mass Murder_.

More anguished and whimpering refusals to provide any proof-well-
what more proof do people need that your stories are frauds?
> >
> >Yes, Mike, they transported these men from Luneberg to “gas” them in
> >a facility that had no gas chamber, but used a bunker instead. Very
> >credible, Mike.
>
> Mr. Blackmore is urged to read on before sticking his foot into his
> keyboard.
>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> “In Neuengamme there were no gas chambers, properly speaking.
> >> >> What was known as the ‘bunker’ was used:
> >> >
> >> >So, they were “gassed” in a bunker?
> >>
> >> One must be careful when Mr. Blackmore truncates a posted statement.
> >> This originally read:
> >>
> >> [*deleted text*]
> >>
> >> >> “In Neuengamme there were no gas chambers, properly speaking.
> >> >> What was known as the ‘bunker’ was used: *it served as the camp
> >> >> prison, and it was here that executions usually took place*.[…]”
> >
> >
> >Oh…executions. Of course you can tell us the names of these men and
> >why they were executed. Could it be for the same reason that 90,000
> >Germans taken prisoner at Stalingrad by the humane Soviets
> >NEVER returned home?
>
> Again Mr. Blackmore present prrof of his unwillingness to do his own
> research. This is a typical response when a denier is cornered. They
> also attempt to shift the argument to another subject.

Which he again avoids answering…….
>
> >>
> >> The statement is quite clear. The prisoners were gassed in the camp
> >> prison which was called “the bunker.” Can Mr. Blackmore prove
> >> otherwise?

You need to prove that this happened. You must establish
that this specific crime was committed. We are not
interested in accusations or affadavits or confessions
elicited by torture, which is all you can present. Do
you wonder why I refer to this as a modern day witch
hunt. You use the same criteria to establish your claims.
This is not Nuremberg. here we ARE bound by “technical
rules of evidence” and I challenge you to comply with it-
but you won’t because you can’t.
> >
> >So, that is your “proof”-an ALLEGATION which you believe in religiously.
>
> []
>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >. It was made gastight and new doors installed, along with
> >> >> a system of heating pipes that served for distributing the gas
> >> >> and
> >> >> for ventilation. […]”
> >
> >Sounds like a delousing chamber to me.
> >> >
> >> >And you have these orders for construction, which prove this
> >> >was a facility to kill human beings?
> >>
> >> Those who doubt the previous statements are invited to visit [FN70]
> >> on page 271 of _Nazi Mass Murder_.

That is not proof.
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Reference 1:
> >> >>
> >> >> _AUSCHWITZ: 1270 to the Present_
> >> >>
> >> >Have it. Rehashes the SOS.
> >>
> >> Mr. Blackmore does not appear to have this book in spite of his
> >> protestations.
> >
> >I do indeed own the book, but I lent it out to someone. Perhaps you
> >will post their interpretation of this dubious passage?
> >
>
> LOL! (Sorry, I couldn’t help it! Mr. Blackmore has loaned it.)

Of course everyone KNEW this would be your reply.
>
> > If he had the book he could easily explain what:
> >>
> >> “Langsshnitt durch, eine Entlausungkammer mit
> >> Degesch-Kreislanufanordnung”
> >>
> >> signifies and why it is relevant to Dachau. He can’t, he won’t, and
> >> the world is laughing at him.
> >
> >
> >On the contrary, the world is laughing at you. Can’t you hear them?
>
> Just a minute. Mr. Blackmore will have to wait until I stop laughing.

At yourself?
>
> > Reference 2:
> >> >>
> >> >> _NAZI MASS MURDER_
> >> >> Eugen Kogon, Hermann Langbein & Adalbert Ruckerl, Editors
> >> >>
> >> >Have it and you criticized when I quoted from it
> >> >regarding Goering and the “Final Solution”, but now you run into
> >> >their arms to support your unsupportable contentions.
> >>
> >> Mr. Blackmore must surely be jesting. Who precisely does he
> >> accuse of running into the arms of the editors of the book? The
> >> subject at hand deals with the gas chambers and the quality of the
> >> testimony in the _Belsen Trial._
> >
> >All right. Then I will refer you and the sentient readers to chapter
> >8 in Kogons “Mass Murder”. I refer you specifically to the section
> >on Dachau, pages 202-204 for yet another example of historical
> >bunk.
> >
>
> Mr. Blackmore is urged to tell us about it. I’m quite tired of doing
> all the work.

Later I will get into it. You claim to have the book?
>
> >
> >> Mr. Blackmore cannot answer why many, many
> >> perpetrators, witnesses, victims, and those who built gas chambers
> >> have testified as to their existence

Yes I can. they were either mistaken or they lied. Do
not underestimate the significance of rumors in the camps.

. Does he imply that everyone was
> >> tortured? Does he imply that millions of documents have been
> >> falsified? If so, he must present proof of a different sort than just
> >> a simple snit-fit. By not posting his evidence he admits to acts of
> >> obfuscation and deceit

No, I say that many were tortured, even killed. Most particulary
those who could shed the most light on this dark subject. I have
no idea how many documents have been falsified, but I would imagine
many-and not only documents, but photographs and films as well..
> >
> >
> >You have not admitted even ONCE that ANY of the testimony
> >quoted was perhaps, shall I say…..fabricated?
>
> Why should I begin to lie as Mr. Blackmore is most willing to do?

You have been lying just fine up to now.
>
> > The fact that you
> >have not done so proves that it is you who is without hope. Your
> >credibility is very low, as you believe as a matter of implicit FAITH,
> >out of conviction, rather than what reason tells or ought to tell you.
> >
>
> I am, of course, crushed that I am such a hopeless case for Mr.
> Blackmore. His frustrated efforts to overcome his distortions end up
> here with an attack on my character and convictions.

Thank you confirming what I wrote about this being a
matter of faith and conviction for you.
>
>
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 14:09:53 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Photograph: Rascher’s Letter Concerning the Dachau Gas Chamber
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[email protected] (John Morris) writes:
In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:

Rascher continued for some time afterwards reporting the results of
experiments involved putting his subjects in a depressurized chamber
to see when they would die, and, immersing his subjects in
near-freezing water to see when they would die.

I am not sure whether the details are correct, but these experiments were
conducted with the purpose in mind of saving human lives. The subjects
were either criminals condemned to death or volunteers, I believe.
>
>

> >As a matter of fact, Rascher WAS arrested by the SS,
> >imprisoned in Dachau, and executed.
>
>
> Yes, Rascher was arrested and presumed executed by the SS.

He was executed.
>
> But was he arrested for the proposal to establish a gas chamber at
> Dachau? Was he arrested for human experimentation?

No, for the simple fact that there was no lethal gas chamber
built at Dachau. And even if he suggested it, which I doubt,
this is not reason to execute him. The experiments, I believe,
were conducted in cooperation with the armed forces on
criminals who volunteered. I know you will correct me if
I am mistaken.
>
> In fact, Himmler’s office encouraged Rascher’s experiments.

The air force experiments? Yes, that seems to be the case.
>
> Why don’t you surprise us all by telling us what Rascher *was*
> arrested for?

Kidnapping, and I know it is no surprise to you.
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
> —

>
>>>>

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[email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
[email protected] writes:
[email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

Learn something, little boy. You wer caught in a lie

No, Mr. E., unlike you, I do not lie.

You cliamed there were stomn pillars that referred to 4,000,000 “Jews”
that were “gassed” at Auschwitz.

While that might have been a mistake you addition was not. You
claimed that the photographs of those pillars was in front of you as you wrote.
That was an outright lie.
>
> > . Now you are
> > trying to squirm out of it.
>
> > There is nothing to squirm out of. You defend the lie, I deny it.
>
> No. You have been cought several times in outright lies. zYour defense
> seems to be repeated smoke screens, ad hominem attacks, and out right lies.
>
>
>
> > No, I wasn’t involved in forgeries. What are you talking about anyway?
> > Giwers Moshe Posts? I have better things to do with my time.
>
> A typical blackmore response. Now try my question. Over 100 posts
> were forged with the names of various people including but not limited to (besides
> myself) McVay, Gandhi, Keren, Morris, and Morrison. When someone protested
> this obviously improper act your response was: “WE were just playing with you.”
> (emphasis added). You were asked to clarify that statement. You refused to
> respond. Now you are pretending that you don’t know what posts YOU
> referenced.
>
> A rather shoddy and dishonest performance.

To the above: an emphatic NO-I did not forge any of those posts.
. And you would be able to
research it easily enough. You have caught giwer’s rather
clumsy attempts at forgery rather quickly in the past, so I suspect
you already know I had nothing to do with those posts.

>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Photos were in front of me but I was unable to read the
inscriptions, so I had to hunt for an article with a photo
which showed the inscription. This I found later. I did
not lie.

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Subject: Mike Curtis’s “Gas Chambers”
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This is my response to Mike Cutris, re:, the following:

Re: Rosa Lopez vs Ada Bimko-Bimbo and Dumbo

Cute. Mr. Blackmore now resorts to deriding the witnesses by calling them names. Does this show that Mr.
Blackmore is a
misogynist? Or is there a greater underlying hatred?

Did that get your attention? Good, it was meant to. Am I a misogynist?
No, as a matter of fact, I’m a lover, not a fighter. My only criticism of
Ms. Bimko is that she lied under oath.
Is there an underlying hatred? Only of the lies some people tell under
oath, which may have led to the death sentence for people who did
not deserve it, as well as propagating the horrific lie that 4 million
Jews were gassed to death at Auschwitz.

Mr. Blackmore once again demonstrates his lack of scholarity and civility.

And if I were to count how many times I have been insulted by you
and your colleagues, and post it, you would stand self- convicted of
being a hypocrite.

Such crude rhetoric can only emanate from a person
totally immersed in his hatred.

Such crude rhetoric which you and your colleagues have
indulged in either together or separately proves that it is
YOU and your “friends” who are totally immersed in hatred.
Yet you have the shameless insolence to attempt to attribute
your faults to me. People can read for themselves the comments
made by you and such people as McVay, Van Alstine, Ken Lewis,
and Power.

He has exposed nothing. He refuses to
understand the principle of convergence of evidence. He defends his
badly phrased statements, most of which are taken out of context.

Another lie and distortion, which people may test for themselves.
My purpose is not to quote out of context, but to post their
obvious lies.

He ignores documentation by claiming that original source documents
are forged. In brief, he relies on typical denier tactics.

What I am doing is FORCING you to prove your heinous allegations.
And you and your friends are finding that providing acceptable proof
is not as easy as making accusations. The hysteria engendered
by the Second World War has now abated, and historians are
beginning to re-examine the issues in a less bigoted fashion. As
your version of the Holocaust rests upon a foundation of straw,
it was bound to be questioned at some point in time anyway.

Subject: Re: Dr. Leo Lies like a Rug
From: [email protected]
[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
rblackmore writes:

No. You are deluded, and You are deluding people.
Thesecamps had NO gas chambers.

Mr. Blackmore can yell “NO” until he is blue in the face, but the
sentient reader of these lines will not ignore the evidence:

Your “evidence” is not evidence. What I require from you is a
source for what you posted. Knowing you as I do, I suspect that
you have again distorted the facts.
>
> He has been asked to explain what:
>
> >>
> >> [Page 222 — Reference 1]
> >>
> >> “Langsshnitt durch, eine Entlausungkammer mit
> >> Degesch-Kreislanufanordnung”
> >>
> >> signifies and why this unusual device is installed several times
> >> in another section of the crematorium. Mr. Blackmore can’t
> >> and won’t explain this.

Why is this unusual, in your opinion?
> >
> >Yes. I will. Sections of Dachau were rebuilt AFTER the war.
>
> Mr. Blackmore will not get off that easily on this point. He will
> have to prove that the fumigation chambers on the Southern side of
> the Dachau crematorium were built after the war. He cannot do this
> because he has lied.

No, you have to prove that they were built before the war.

He will also have to explain how the devices
> mentioned above (which were built long before the war ended)
> found themselves into the peculiar place that they are now
> located.

The expression refers to a delousing area. What is so unusual
about that?
>
>
.
> This does not obscure the fact that the gas chamber exists to this
> date and that photographs and motion pictures taken when the camp fell
> in 1945 show this chamber much the same as it is now.

The only “fact” that exists is that Dachau possessed delousing chambers
and crematoria, just like every other KZ.
>
> >>
> >> 2) Natzweiler was so obviously used as a gas chamber that there
> >> is a document written by the Nazis:
> >
> >Confirm this document is authentic. where did it come from, who found
> >it, was it signed, of so, by whom, and where is the wirtten response to
> >the inquiry or statement? Your “documents” are NOT documents until
> >proven so beyond the shadow of a doubt.
>
> This sort of statement is expected from deniers

Yes. This is the sort of statement that all inquirers want to ask-
where is the proof? Mr. Curtis finds that unusual. I wonder why?
You are the one who is trapped, by the way.

, we will
> refer sentient readers of this thread to peruse the following:
>
> From:
>
> _NAZI MASS MURDER_
> Eugen Kogon et al. Editors
> c. 1993, Yale University Press
>
> [Pages 199-200]
>
> (Statement presented by SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer Josef Kramer
> presented in July 1945 to the investigating judge at the
> Strasbourg Trial)
>
(snip)

I snipped the statement as it is irrelevant. Hundreds of people also
testified that they kissed the devil’s behind and made potions out
of eyes of newts and so on. People “confess” to crimes they never
commit quite frequently. Sometimes they “confess” under pressure
and coercion, as did Kramer, as his first statement, which WAS made
freely and without coercion, does not refer to any of the nonsense he
testified to later. Seeing that torture, intimidation, etc. was a matter of
policy for the allies, his statement and the statements of the others
are not credible. Indeed, when we examine them in detail, they sound
absurd and contrary to common logic.
>
> FN79: “See n. 76, exhibit 1806/V/I. See also Nuremb. Doc.
> 807-NO, fols. 120ff. […] {See also} …exhibits 085-NO, 087-NO,
> 088-NO, 089-NO, 091-NO…[…] Other SS members testified to the
> gassings (the head of the work allocation office in Natzweiler,
> Nitsche, ibid. file no. 4, bundle 12, exhibit 2277) […]
>
> Will Mr. Blackmore post evidence that the testimony and the documents
> are false? No, he won’t, because he has lied.

I have responded to this-and I do not lie.
>
> >>
> >> [page 199 — Reference 2]
> >>
> >> “On 26 September 1943 the construction department
> >> of the Natzweiler camp, managed by the Waffen SS and
> >> police, sent the following bil
>
>
> >[…] even if this particular chamber was a lethal one, which
> >you need to prove-there is nothing illegal in the State using this form
> >of execution for those condemned to death. we use gas chambers in
> >America for the same purpose. They are called “legal executions”.
>
> AHA! The denier’s typical caveat. The victims were not killed by gas
> but if they were killed by gas it was a legal execution! Mr.
> Blackmore has reached unsuspected heights of dissimulation.

Poppycock. The Third Reich was the legitimate government in
Germany at the time. If sentences of death were passed and
carried out, then the forms of legality were maintained. What I
wrote is true and embarassing to you, but you are left with it
nonetheless, and your frantic attempts to justify your impossible
position only confirm your uneasiness in dealing with this subject.
When you try to defend an untenable position, you will invariably
run into problems.

The
> truth, for concerned and sentient readers, is that these innocent
> victims were selected in Auschwitz for a collection of skeletons that
> Dr. Hirt had been authorized to produce.

I will deal with this at a later date, but please rest assured that Mr.
Curtis is not dealing with a full deck.

For the more curious and
> un-sqeamish, _The Struthof Album_ [New York: Beate Klarsfeld
> Foundation, 1985] will supplement, with both photographic and
> documentary evidence,

Yes, photos taken from a School of Anatomy!

> Mr. Blackmore is reminded of the footnote on page 197 regarding the
> origins of the victims. There is, of course, nothing wrong in Mr.
> Blackmore’s eyes, with killing young Jewish women from Greece.

I have seen these photos and let me ask you who else besides these
alleged women from Greece were included?
>
> > I think it rather foolish to construct a gas chamber
> >for only 80 odd people, when they could have simply been given
> >a phenol shot. Sounds like propaganda to me. And I have read
> >about the construction of this alleged “gas chamber”. If what I
> >read is indeed true then I denounce the accusation most emphatically.
>
> What Mr. Blackmore “thinks” lacks relevance. Unless he has proof
> to the contrary, his statements are worthless.

The same applies to you. You have not met the burden of proof in
any case. And sometimes we need to look beyond what appearances
seem to be to get to the real truth.
>
> Mr. Blackmore “denounces” and denies but offers no proof whatsoever
> to substantiate his odious allegations.

I make no allegations other than that the “proofs” you rely upon
to prove your allegations are in many cases a fraud. That I have
proven time and time again. You are pedaling backwards.

His “sounds like propaganda to
> me” statement is nothing more than an admission that he cannot face
> the truth. More is the pity.

No, it is an admission that it sounds like propaganda to me.
>
> >>
> >> To which we add the testimony of Josef Kramer:
> >
> >Yes. kramer was brutalized by his captors. Witches also testified
> >to making potions out of the eyes of newts and boiled down baby fat.
> >His testimony does you no good.
>
> It is easy to malign Kramer’s captors with a slanderous statement.

Right, Mike….the Germans were never mistreated, murdered, tormented,
brutalized, or threatened in any way….is that what you are saying….?
It
> is quite something else to prove that Kramer was brutalized.

It is quite something else to prove your ridiculous and hateful accusations.

The
> testimony that Kramer presented was good enough to hang him.

In other words, nil, as his sentence had been predetermined anyway.

> Furthermore, Kramer was not the only perpetrator that admitted to
> the gas chambers.

Already went into this. He did NOT admit it until he was in “custody”
a while.

Mr. Blackmore ought to read his _Belsen Trial_
> testimonies and interrogatories rather more closely.

Don’t make suggestions that you do not adhere to yourself.

How many
> people apart from Kramer saw the gas chambers according to the
> testimony in the book? Curious minds want to know.
>
> >And where are these orders?
>
> Mr. Blackmore is kindly referred to [FN79] above.

In other words-there is no proof.
>
> >>
> >> 3) To end this small exercise in unmasking Mr. Blackmore’s deceit,
> >> we will go to Neuengamme.
> >
> >On the contrary, it is not my “deceit” which is unmasked, but your
> >low level of common sense, along with no proof to back up your
> >claims.
>
> Good grief! Mr. Blackmore offers no evidence whatsoever to back up
> his odious insinuations

Good Grief! Where is your proof that there ever WAS a lethal
gas chamber at Neuengamme? Your accusations are sounding
more and more like the witch trials every day. You need PROOF,
Mr. Curtis……

. He is is obviously carrying out an exercise in
> Kafkian logic.

I am carrying out an exercise in credibility-YOURS, specifically,
and you are not faring too well, I fear.

[Page 193 — Reference 2]
> >>
> >> “It has been proved that two gassing operations took place
> >> at the Neuengamme camp near Hamburg
> >
> >Who proved this? When? Where? How? Documentation?
>
> Does one hear the stamping of tiny feet once again?

Yes, yours……at not being able to prove your heinous contentions.

Mr. Blackmore
> rattles off one question after another, but offers no proof to the
> contrary

You rattle off one accusation after another with no proof to back it
up other than quotes out of context and witnesses who either lied
out of malice or lied because they were mistreated. Hardly convincing.

. Even the more ‘rational’ deniers do better than that. For
> those readers who are more in control of their faculties, a visit to
> [FN69, page 193] of _Nazi Mass Murder_ is suggested.

Yes, the same reference you criticized when I cited it to prove
that Goering’s mandate to Heydrich had nothing to do with killing
people. Caught in your own web again.
> >
> > Soviet prisoners of war from Fallingbostel POW camp in the
> >> Luneberg Heath were brought to Neuengamme, and were
> >> killed as soon as they arrived.
>
> >Proof?
>
> More anguished, whimpering demands for “proof.” It is apparent
> that Mr. Blackmore is incapable of looking up references without
> being led by the hand: Once again, gently, FN69, page 193, of
> _Nazi Mass Murder_.

Yes, Mike, they transported these men from Luneberg to “gas” them in
a facility that had no gas chamber, but used a bunker instead. Very
credible, Mike.
>
> >>
> >> “In Neuengamme there were no gas chambers, properly speaking.
> >> What was known as the ‘bunker’ was used:
> >
> >So, they were “gassed” in a bunker?
>
> One must be careful when Mr. Blackmore truncates a posted statement.
> This originally read:
>
> [*deleted text*]
>
> >> “In Neuengamme there were no gas chambers, properly speaking.
> >> What was known as the ‘bunker’ was used: *it served as the camp
> >> prison, and it was here that executions usually took place*.[…]”

Oh…executions. Of course you can tell us the names of these men and
why they were executed. Could it be for the same reason that 90,000
Germans taken prisoner at Stalingrad by the humane Soviets
NEVER returned home?
>
> The statement is quite clear. The prisoners were gassed in the camp
> prison which was called “the bunker.” Can Mr. Blackmore prove
> otherwise?

So, that is your “proof”-an ALLEGATION which you believe in religiously.
>
> >
> >. It was made gastight and new doors installed, along with
> >> a system of heating pipes that served for distributing the gas
> >> and
> >> for ventilation. […]”

Sounds like a delousing chamber to me.
> >
> >And you have these orders for construction, which prove this
> >was a facility to kill human beings?
>
> Those who doubt the previous statements are invited to visit [FN70]
> on page 271 of _Nazi Mass Murder_.
>
> >>
> >> Reference 1:
> >>
> >> _AUSCHWITZ: 1270 to the Present_
> >>
> >Have it. Rehashes the SOS.
>
> Mr. Blackmore does not appear to have this book in spite of his
> protestations.

I do indeed own the book, but I lent it out to someone. Perhaps you
will post their interpretation of this dubious passage?

If he had the book he could easily explain what:
>
> “Langsshnitt durch, eine Entlausungkammer mit
> Degesch-Kreislanufanordnung”
>
> signifies and why it is relevant to Dachau. He can’t, he won’t, and
> the world is laughing at him.

On the contrary, the world is laughing at you. Can’t you hear them?

>
> >>
> >> Reference 2:
> >>
> >> _NAZI MASS MURDER_
> >> Eugen Kogon, Hermann Langbein & Adalbert Ruckerl, Editors
> >>
> >Have it and you criticized when I quoted from it
> >regarding Goering and the “Final Solution”, but now you run into
> >their arms to support your unsupportable contentions.
>
> Mr. Blackmore must surely be jesting. Who precisely does he
> accuse of running into the arms of the editors of the book? The
> subject at hand deals with the gas chambers and the quality of the
> testimony in the _Belsen Trial._

All right. Then I will refer you and the sentient readers to chapter
8 in Kogons “Mass Murder”. I refer you specifically to the section
on Dachau, pages 202-204 for yet another example of historical
bunk.

Mr. Blackmore cannot answer why many, many
> perpetrators, witnesses, victims, and those who built gas chambers
> have testified as to their existence. Does he imply that everyone was
> tortured? Does he imply that millions of documents have been
> falsified? If so, he must present proof of a different sort than just
> a simple snit-fit. By not posting his evidence he admits to acts of
> obfuscation and deceit.

You have not admitted even ONCE that ANY of the testimony
quoted was perhaps, shall I say…..fabricated? The fact that you
have not done so proves that it is you who is without hope. Your
credibility is very low, as you believe as a matter of implicit FAITH,
out of conviction, rather than what reason tells or ought to tell you.

rb

>
>
>
>>>>

]

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 17:53:11 PDT 1996
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> Chuck Ferree writes:
> Chuck Ferree wrote:
>
> I really can’t believe this turkey has the balls to keep posting the lie
> about how many died at Auschwitz. He says he knows from some new books,
> but where are the new books, and how come he doesn’t prove his
> ridiculous claim of only a total of 70,000 killed at Auschwitz? I
> believe the reason is:
> #1- he’s a liar
> #2- he’s a bluffer
> #3- he is a dummy
> #4- he’s a fruitcake.
>
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > You forgot to add the following:
> >
> > World War II Magazine, November 1994 Issue cited
> > 4 million killed at Auschwitz.
>
> >
> > New figures of the dead at Auschwitz, taken from archives
> > in Moscow, indicate 70,000 deaths, 46,000 of them Jews.
>
> Biggest crock posted ever on alt. rev even worse than anything the idiot
> giwer contends.
> Chuck
>
>>>>
Humpty Holocaust is falling down
And all the King’s horses and all the King’s men
Can’t put it back together again….

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 17:53:12 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 25 Oct 1996 19:57:26 GMT, [email protected] (william c anderson)
> wrote:
>
> >[email protected] wrote:
>
> >: Of course if Mr. Edeikin had his way, the Nazis would have
> >: received no representation whatsoever. As it turns out, it did
> >: them little good anyway, as their sentences had already been
> >: predetermined before the trials ever began.
>
> >Hmm. Why, then, were some of them acquitted?
>
> And, of course, there was not always agreement amongst the Tribunal. The
> Soviets wanted to hang Speer, for instance, while Britian, France, and the
> U.S. did not think his crimes warranted it.
>
> Doesn’t sound to premeditated to me either.
>
>>>>
Well, we all know that the Soviets, who were mass
murderers millions of times over, had no compunctions
whatsoever. They at least were honest about what
they wanted to do-the allies were hypocritical. There was
criticism in many circles over these trials, especially within
the military. It would not have looked “impartial” had the
allies agreed to executing all the defendants at Nuremberg.
The judgments were all politically motivated.

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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> : > [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
>
> : > If you dd not lie, then why did you clearly state that the monuments said
> : > ‘Jews?’ And what do you call this statement of falsehood that you are on
> : > record as having said?
> : >
> : What do you call this falsehood of 4 million
> : dead at Auschwitz? Whose falsehood is the greater?
>
> Let me get this straight, Mr. Belling–you’re trying to get out of this
> by claiming to be less dishonest than the communist government of Poland?
>
> That’s stunningly unimpressive.
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
No, it is you who is dishonest, for you defend a
fraud. 4 million frauds, actually, and you have
the effrontery to accuse me of dishonesty. Very
sad, even for you.

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[email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
[email protected] wrote:
[email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:

If you dd not lie, then why did you clearly state that the monuments said
‘Jews?’ And what do you call this statement of falsehood that you are on
record as having said?

What do you call this falsehood of 4 million
dead at Auschwitz? Whose falsehood is the greater?

Let me get this straight, Mr. Belling–you’re trying to get out of this
by claiming to be less dishonest than the communist government of Poland?

That’s stunningly unimpressive.

Bill

No, it is you who is dishonest, for you defend a
fraud. 4 million frauds, actually, and you have
the effrontery to accuse me of dishonesty. Very
sad, even for you.

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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>
>
> > What you call a lie was simply human error due to the fact
> > that I was relying upon memory until I found the source with
> > the inscription.
>
> Although at the time you were “relying” on your memory, you were
> claiming as well that the source was in front of you.
>
>
> > At any rate, I was not off base, as I have
> > already explained under another post.
>
> Your explanation was dishonest and inaccurate.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
What’s your excuse?

From [email protected] Fri Oct 25 19:05:18 PDT 1996
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[email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
In message <[email protected]>
[email protected] (william c anderson) writes:

[email protected] wrote:

New figures of the dead at Auschwitz, taken from archives
in Moscow, indicate 70,000 deaths, 46,000 of them Jews.

Uh-huh. And, of course, Mr. Belling will rush to provide us with
documentation for this claim.

> :>Won’t he?
>
> What he will do, Bill, is post–again–the same rubbish that Gannon was
> posting three years ago, and claim that it is a recent discovery!! He knows
> that the 70,000 is a _partial_ list of those prisoners who died in captivity,
> of those who were _registered_. He also knows that the huge majority of
> arrivees were murdered upon arrival and were not registered at all, since it
> served no purpose. But he will trumpet the tripe anyway, because that is the
> denier way.
>
> Mr. “Blackmore’s” latest game is to recycle the really old stuff, in the hope
> that people here will have forgotten it, and he can portray it as NEW.
>
Actually, the people here wouldn’t care whether the dead themselves
came back and told them it was a lie. The Germans kept meticulous
records on people who entered the camp. This fantasy of people being
admitted and not numbered is pure invention, and you can offer no
proof for it other than personal “testimonies”. In fact, at some point
during Auschwitz’s history, the authorities stopped tattooing prisoners
altogether. I must remember to look up that date…..I have personally
met survivors who claimed to be at Auschwitz yet were not tattooed.
Aside from that, the burden of proof is on non-revisionists to proof
that such a policy ever existed.
rb
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>

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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> : New figures of the dead at Auschwitz, taken from archives
> : in Moscow, indicate 70,000 deaths, 46,000 of them Jews.
>
> Uh-huh. And, of course, Mr. Belling will rush to provide us with
> documentation for this claim.
>
> Won’t he?
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
Already did, where were you? Let’s see if you will now
rush to admit that your version of the Holocaust is a
fraud.
rb

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:

> :>>
> :>> Is it *so* difficult to understand?
>
> :>It is not difficult to understand….it is just difficult
> :>for you to prove.
>
> No it isn’t. It is exceedingly easy to prove. If you knew anything about
> either Auschwitz, the method of killing or history, you would know how easy it
> is to prove. But that assumes you _want_ the truth and are not just another
> denier fraud.
>
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
I have read the tales, and I do not find them credible without
proof. Not everyone can believe as a matter of faith.

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1. The standard version of the Holocaust shall be thy god.
Thou shalt have no other version placed before thee.

2. Thou shalt honor the memory of the dead-even if they
are still living.

3. Thou shalt use slander and insults in replying to the
arguments of honest inquirers. When a situation
becomes uncomfortable, refer to the inquirer as a
“Nazi” or “hater” or “anti-Semite”.

4. Thou shalt ignore purposeful argument whenever you
can. Thous shalt change the subject continuously in
order to evade a direct and honest answer to a question.

5. Thou shalt deny the obvious even at the cost of personal
discomfort.

6. Thou shalt “rat pack” the inquirer and use tactics such
as impugning their honesty and integrity. Thou shalt make
pretenses to impartiality and adopt an attitude of sanctimonious
piety.

7. Thou shalt frequently refer to the inquirer as a liar, and never
attempt to back up the slander with proof. The trick
shall consist of repeating the same lie and distortion
over and over again and hope that you will tire the
inquirer out, or by chance catch some browser unawares.

8. Thou shalt defend the many obvious errors, distortions,
exaggerations and vagaries of the Holocaust,
however obvious. Thou shalt NEVER admit of crimes committed
against millions of German civilians, as that might induce people
to actually sympathize with their sufferings. Thou shalt represent
only one group of people as having suffered and thus worthy
of thy sympathy, and the sympathy of the world. Thou shalt
overlook or condone the many heinous crimes of other nations,
particularly Israel. Thou shalt adopt a double standard and deny
it when pointed out to you.

9. Thou shalt indulge in obscenities as if thou art at prayer.

10. Thou shalt harass the inquirer and use every semantic trick
at your disposal to confuse the browers to alt revisionism.
All is fair game, and artful sophistry is an absolute require-
ment. It is important to always sling enoung mud-some of it
might stick, even though your own hands be covered with
mire. If caught brown handed-simply adopt a pious express
and deny everything. Imply that the inquirer compelled you
to cast mud in order to defend yourselves.

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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> >> [email protected] writes:
> >>
> >> >Apparently what’s wrong with you is worse than what is wrong
> >> >with me. Fool, my point was, how many of the 4,000,000 given
> >> >by the Polish Commission referred to non-Jews specifically? If
> >> >you break it down, you will see that the OVERWHELMING majority
> >> >of these faked figures were still claimed to be Jews.
> >>
> >> BlackMoron, there’s nothing to break down. As quoted by you, there
> >> were four million victims. Religion and ethnicity are not mentioned.
> >> Jews are not mentioned.
>
> >Look at yourself before you look at me. Again, the
> >book lists a breakdown of alleged deaths at Auschwitz
> >by nationality, and the remainder is the deaths of Jews.
>
> 1) What book? The Polish government one? You’re not going to do a
> switch on me with the Jewish book, are you?
>
> 2) If there is a breakdown relevant to your arguement, why didn’t
> you post it?
>
> 3) Where do you get the idea that any “remainder” = Jews?
>
> 4) If your source wanted to show four million Jews killed, why
> wouldn’t it simply say “four million Jews”?
>
>>>>
I cannot answer for the various liars and lies concerning the
fraudulent figures given for alleged deaths at Auschwitz.
The fact is, however, they were and are phoney, and I
have posted enough information to prove to an unprejudiced
mind that this is a fact. However, if you insist upon more, I
will post it.

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From: [email protected]
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[email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
[email protected] wrote:

Yes, it was first published in 1941. The Germans learned of its
publication at that time, and evidently the book sold so well that
it went into an immediate second edition.

Your source on this is…?

I have a photostatic copy of the title page of this book,
and the edition is 1941. I believe Irving also refers to a
1941 edition in his Goebbels book as well.

My source is Time magazine’s review in March 1942. They do not
mention a first edition

Nevertheless it exists.

How much all this cost him is Kaufman’s secret. He did not offer
the book to a regular publisher because he did not want to be
edited, and “I would not write a book like that for any amount of
money.” Financially he thinks he may break even.

Note that Time also wrote:

Startled readers wondered whether the strange book was a landmark,
the first appearance of the Streicher mind in the U.S.

So, my analogy was indeed appropriate, according to this source.

“The Streicher mind” was already well-enough known that Time could refer
to it by that phrase without further elaboration. The Nazis had been
well on their way toward destroying the Jewish people by the time Mr.
Kaufman caught his very brief limelight.

Streicher was hardly representative of the National Socialist
Government. I believe the correct interpretation here is that
both men were radicals and racist.
>
> > 1. It is certainly debateable whether Kaufman ever got
> > to put his plan into action,

As with Streicher….
>
> Well, anything is “debateable” in this forum, including whether the
> sky is blue and how many angels can dance on a pinhead.
>
> > as his “cause” was picked up
> > on by people like Morgenthau and Ehrenburg…
>
> Kaufman was a kook, and was treated as such.

So was Streicher.

Time’s review was
> positively disdainful:
>
> Few recognized the name of the author, Theodore N. Kaufman. But
> in 1939 it had appeared as chairman of the American Federation of
> Peace, which urged Congress either 1) to keep the U.S. out of
> Europe’s wars, or 2) to sterilize all Americans so that their
> children might not become homicidal monsters. In step with the
> times, Sterilizer Kaufman had simply transferred his basic idea to
> the enemy. […] But Sterilizer Kaufman is not afraid. He has
> thought deeply about sterilizing the Germans, believes that it is
> practical and easy to organize. “It would be just like
> registering for social security,” says he.

And shortly thereafter SS Doctor Clauberg began researching the
possibilities of sterilizing Jews. I wonder what prompted this action?
Couldn’t have been Kaufman’s book, could it?
>
> Now show us your proof that Morgenthau picked up on Sterilizer Kaufman’s
> nutcase idea.

Streicher mentions this book in his testimony at Nuremberg, I believe.
>
> > I am still
> > researching the opinions of Barney Baruch, who was
> > Roosevelt’s closest advisor.
>
> And I’m sure you’ll tell us when you’re done researching him, just as
> you’ll tell us when you’re done researching Irving’s dishonesty.

You are saying he is dishonest before I even research this. At any
rate he was less dishonest than Nathan Ausubel, who claimed
that 4 million Jews were gassed at Auschwitz.
>
> > I think it is fair to say that
> > some sort of plan was put into effect after the war which
> > unofficially followed their “guidelines”.
>
> Well, here’s the crux of the matter.
>
> I disagree.
>
> Now state your case, please.
>
> > 2. I would say that the Nazis treatment of the Jewish
> > people was similar to America’s treatment of Native Americans.
>
> I tend to agree — I think there are more similarities than differences.
> I’m sure you would take the similarity much too far, but that’s off on a
> tangent. I’ll respond to this in under a new thread, “Native
> Americans”.

I have seen it and responded.
>
> > Now, I have a question for you:
> >
> > Do you believe that Streicher ever had the opportuntiy
> > to put his genocidal plan into action?
>
> Streicher controlled no troops. What he _did_ was report, over and
> over, the actions that would be taken, were being taken, and had been
> taken, by the Nazi leadership

He was in no position to comment on any of this, other than
what he read in the newspapers or imagined. He was living
the life of a virtual outcast.

— and to justify those actions and
> planned actions with hateful rhetoric. He served as quite an effective
> cheerleader for their criminal behavior.

How could he when no one of any substance listened to
his rantings? I have addressed this extensively in an old
post entitled: Streicher-the Final Round.
>
>
I have replied publicly.

rb

From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 01:02:18 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> : Of course if Mr. Edeikin had his way, the Nazis would have
> : received no representation whatsoever. As it turns out, it did
> : them little good anyway, as their sentences had already been
> : predetermined before the trials ever began.
>
> Hmm. Why, then, were some of them acquitted?
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
Semblance of impartiality, for one reason.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 01:02:19 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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[email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] (ibokor)
writes:

“rblackmore” wrote to someone:

Until you decide to abide by honorable
rules of conduct in a debate, I shall
refrain from answering any of your posts,
as I have refrained from answering those
of your pal, Van Alstine. When you are
ready to resume discussion under proper
conditions, e-mail me.

d.A. pointed out:

One of the rules for honourable debate is
not to hide one’s identity.

Who are you, Honourable One?
What is your real name?

To which Gord McFee responds:

Gruss Gott, d.A,

d.A. interrupts:

Gruessen Sie Gott, oder mich?

Ich gruesse Dich, lieber d.A.! Den Herrn Gott sollte man nicht direkt
> gruessen, bestimmt nicht im Netz!
>
> :>Gord McFee contiues:
> :>
> :>meinst Du dass ein “ehrlicher” Mensch seinen
> :>Namen zugeben sollte? 🙂
>
> :>d.A. answers:
> :>
> :>Selbstverstaendlich! Ich kann schon nachvollziehen,
> :>dass eineR nicht unbedingt seinen/ihren eigenen
> :>Namen benuetzen will. Aber wenn das so sei, sollte
> :>man/frau in der Lage sein, falls darauf angesprochen,
> :>den richtigen Namen anzugeben oder mindestens einen
> :>treffenden Grund zu finden, weshalb man/frau das
> :>nicht tun will.
>
> Ganz einverstanden. Sollte es dann heissen, dass es sich hier um einen
> ehrlichen Menschen nicht handelt?

Don’t worry about my honor. Worry about your own.

Mein Gott, das Leben ist traurig!

I should say so-but not as sad as some of the
nonsense posted by people like Van Alstine and
Lewis, and Curtis.

> Merkwuerdig sich daran zu erinnern, dass unser “Freund” behauptet hat, dass er
> Deutsch kann. Ich befrage mich warum er seine Meinung nicht ausdrueckt.

Why should I? Why do you find it curious that I speak German?
I have already told you enough times, yet you wish to play
games.
>
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 11:34:42 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
Date: 25 Oct 1996 13:48:43 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> > > They are lies you created to justify your hero worship.
>
> > Yale, no one even takes you seriously any more….you
> > are the man who advised to give the inmates water from
> > cisterns which had rotting corpses and turds floating in
> > it……
>
> Liar. I stated there was potable water available which Kramer did not bother
> to supply to the prisoners in his charge. That is fact. The other stuff is the fabrication of
> you and the criminal Giwer — your co-conspirator in the forging of posts.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Oh, its only a fact in your distorted paranoid image
of the world. Get a life.

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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> You are fabricating again. You cannot say in one sentence that there
> >> was no food and in the next that the inmates were cooking food.
> >>
> >> > > Your opinions of how Kramer ‘helped’ the inmates are
> >> > > interesting, to put the matter lightly.
> >> >
> >> > They are facts, whether interesting or otherwise.
> >>
> >> They are lies you created to justify your hero worship.
> >>
> >>
> >> –YFE
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >Yale, no one even takes you seriously any more….you
> >are the man who advised to give the inmates water from
> >cisterns which had rotting corpses and turds floating in
> >it……
>
> Yale, it looks like Mr. Blackmore is projecting more than he is
> dealing with history or his distortions.
>
>
>
>
>>>>
Yep, keep patting each other on the back-one of you is
bound to burp soon…….

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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Derek Bell) writes:
> —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—–
>
> [email protected] writes:
> >Yale, no one even takes you seriously any more….you are the man who advised
> >to give the inmates water from cisterns which had rotting corpses and turds
> >floating in it……
>
> What on earth are you blathering about now???
>
> Derek
>

>
>>>>
Your leftovers.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 11:34:45 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
Date: 25 Oct 1996 14:52:39 GMT
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> >> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [Matt Giwer using the forged userid]
> >> >> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
>
> >> [snip]
>
> >> >> You silly shit. Ediken is a liar, McVay is a liar, Keren is a liar. We
> >> >> know that.
>
> >> >> We are all dumbshit little liars.
>
> >> >Thanks for finally admitting it, silly little liar.
>
> >> You responded to a forged post from Matt Giwer.
>
> >> While we’re on the topic, do you think Matt Giwer’s recent spate of
> >> forgeries is conducive to open debate?
>
> >Can’t you see we’re playing with you? Silly people.
>
> Pardon me? Are you saying that you were a party to forging my name and
> userid on posts to alt.revisionism?
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://www.nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
You would love for that to be true wouldn’t
you? I have better things to do with my time
than post assisnine little forgeries.

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: The Malady with Malmedy
Date: 25 Oct 1996 13:22:03 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> Concerning the so-called “Malmedy Case” American
> author William L. Shirer writes:
>
SNIP
>
> [from THE RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH: A HISTORY OF NAZI
> GERMANY, William L. Shirer, New York: Simon and Schuster, 1960,
> pgs. 1095-1096 (footnote)]
>
>
>>>>
Shirer is a far cry from an unnbiased historian. What I
posted is the result of the latest research. The facts
of this case are somewhat different from the old war
propaganda Shirer reguritates for the masses.

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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> Alexander Baron ([email protected]) wrote:
> : In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Ken Lewis” writes:
> : > On Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:55:15 GMT, [email protected] (Kurt Stele) wrote:
> : >
> : > >Nope! There existed certain SS officers who were executed SOLEY on
> : > >the basis of mistreating Jewish inmates alone.
> : >
> : > Document one.
> :
> : Jewish Chronicle, June 7, 1940, page 10
> : The official Nazi wireless station in Brussels announced that 14 Belgian
> : Nazis and 4 German soldiers were ordered to be executed for looting as a
> : means of stopping uncontrolled anti-Jewish excesses.
> : The paper’s comment was “The Nazis are nothing if not methodical.”
>
> That’s interesting, Al. Now that you’ve got your daily irrelevancy out
> of the way, would you like to document a case where an SS officer was
> executed for mistreating Jewish inmates?
>
> It’s entirely understandable that the Nazis would want to avoid the
> spectacle of German soldier charging through the streets, looting and
> pillaging; I very much doubt it had anything to do with concern for
> the victims.
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
Uh-were you reading, Bill? The item states they were
to be executed for lotting as a means of stopping
uncontrolled Jewish measures. And how about this one:

>From a newspaper in Stettin, December 1937:

A jury court in Stettin sentenced one Josef Reinhardt
to death for killing a Jewish businessman named
Abraham and his non Jewish wife.

One accomplice was sentenced to life imprisonment,
and a second to 6 years imprisonment. Further:

“That the victim was a Jew made no difference
in passing sentence, the presiding Judge stressed.
The Third Reich is a state of law, in which Jews
enjoy the protection of law every bit as much as other
residents. Murder is still murder, and will be punished
most severely in each case.”

Murder remained a crime during the war years.
Paragraph 211 of the revised German penal code
(Published in October 1943), defined murder without
qualification about the victim’s race, religion or nationality,
and designated capital punishment for the crime.

During the Nuremberg trial of 1945-1946, evidence
was presented to show that German soldiers who had
murdered civilians. including Jews, were severely
punished. (IMT Blue Series, Vol 42, pp. 238-242.)

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:

> :>> :>
> :>> :>>> Have you checked any of those assumptions?
> :>> :>
> :>> :>>Yes. She is a liar.
> :>> :>
> :>> :>Oh yes? For identifying as a brick building something which turns
> :>> :>out to have been in fact…a brick building?
> :>>
> :>> What can I say Charles, that makes her a liar–in the denier world. Or else,
> :>> she was tortured. Or both.
> :>>
>
> :>Who can say what prompted her to lie-only her
> :>hairdresser knows for sure.
>
> Thank you for that brilliant intellectual gem which, as usual when deniers are
> proved wrong, fails to address the issue.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Her testimony is packed with lies and exaggerations
and I have already posted them. It surprises me that
you seek to defend her lies as well. Why don’t you
address her lie that 4 million Jews were gassed at
Auschwitz by 1944? Is this the genesis for the actual
lie later perpetrated by the Soviet Union and Polish
Curators of the “Auschwitz Museum”?

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Chuck Ferree writes:
Chuck Ferree writes:

rblackmore is smoking them funny cigarettes again. They cause
hallucinations. Friend of mine tried them once, but he says he didn’t
inhale. Hell that’s like having sex all by yourself, eh, blackmore?

I wouldn’t know, Chuck. Why don’t you tell us all
about it?

Now about this fairy tale regarding Dachau.

Right, its just like the rest of your fairy tales.

Take my word folks there
> isn’t a word of truth to be found in his fiction. Nothing appears in any
> books about such goings on at Dachau. Therefore this turkey is just
> making it all up, like he does everything else.

Oh, indeed it does appear, otherwise I never would have
posted it. This comment comes from the same man who
didn’t believe me when I pointed out to him that the Commandant
of Buchenwald was arrested and executed by the SS themselves.
As to the rest of what he says, of course it isn’t true, in the same
manner that the 6 million is not true, nor the 4 million alleged
dead at Auschwitz, nor the gas chambers at various camps.
However, the nonsense I posted most certainly was alleged
in the past.
>
> How do I know? Well, let me tell you how I know.

Right. Chuck knows everything.
>
>
(snip Chuck’s future book)

> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > When Dachau fell into Western hands in 1945, it had to look
> > the part, so, under the inspiration of Philip Auerbach, Under-
> > Secretary of State in the provincial government of Bavaria,
> > it was transformed into a showplace of horrors.
>
> Lies, lies and more lies. Dachau didn’t need no show biz fixing up, it
> was a hell hole.

Sorry to burst your balloon Chuck, but what you write isn’t true.
>
> blackmore should be ashamed for trying to pull this kind of crappola.
> Chuck

I am not the least bit ashamed in posting something that was a lie
to begin with.
>
>
> > …Jews converted this camp into a chamber of horrors……
> >
> > Comment: Sounds just like Hollywood, doesn’t it?
>
>
> Not to me it doesn’t. Sounds more like some dumb shit smoking dope.

It seems all your senses are in a state of confusion, Chuck.
>
rb
>
>>>>

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[email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:

Source for this stuff please ?

When Dachau fell into Western hands in 1945, it had to look
the part, so, under the inspiration of Philip Auerbach, Under-
Secretary of State in the provincial government of Bavaria,
it was transformed into a showplace of horrors.

Portions of the Camp that had been destroyed have been rebuilt. Go to
Dachau. That¹s the first thing they tell you. The Nazi¹s in some stupid
attempt to hide their atrocities, ordered Dachau dismantled. They only
partially succeeded.

They saved the “gas chamber” built at the end of 1944 for the
last, right? Right………..Seems that would have been the FIRST
thing they would have dismantled…..

Near the entrance stood a big fir tree with a horizontal
bough. On the orders of American Captain Strauss,
German prisoners of war worked the bough with ropes to
damage the bark. Auerbach then proclaimed it the “Hanging
Tree,” and said that 10,000 Jews had been hung on its bough.

I do not recall having seen such a tree, or having heard this claim from
> the guides at Dachau, so again, I¹d request a source.

The tree has since been removed after the Auerbach scandal
broke. I believe he committed suicide, but am uncertain.
>
> > The workers received orders to dig a blood-pit with a drain
> > pipe for draining off the blood, because it must be made to appear
> > that here Jewish blood had been flowing in streams. The shower-
> > baths, dressing rooms and reception halls had to be rebuilt so that they
> > should appear like gas-chambers.
>
> Source ? I ask, because this is erroneous – they had to be rebuilt because
> the Nazi¹s destroyed them. They existed. The gas chamber existed.

So you say, I say otherwise.
>
> > For the sake of achieving this
> > appearance, a special separate concrete structure was built
> > with small porthole-like openings, and these contraptions are
> > still on show today (1958-rb) purporting to demonstrate that the killing
> > “death gas” was let in through these portholes.”
>
> > …Jews converted this camp into a chamber of horrors……
>
> (1) Who cares who rebuilt it ? Why does it matter that it was rebuilt by Jews ?
> (2) What they rebuilt was what had already been there. Why do you think
> otherwise (ie provide a source) ?

I care who rebuilt it, and I would also like to know why?
I would also like to know why these things were falsified.
I know it doesn’t disturb you because you accept such things
as a matter of faith. This belief of yours has strong religious
overtones, and mankind’s history proves that many people
would rather suffer martydom than admit that their religious
beliefs are delusional. Yes, the tree had been there, but it
was not used as they claimed it had been used. Even a
pit may have once been there, but it was not dug to collect
pools of Jewish blood.
>
> > Comment: Sounds just like Hollywood, doesn’t it?
>
> No it doesn¹t.

You don’t watch much television, do you?
>
> ——————-
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 11:34:49 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Rblackmore Lies for the nth time… Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >> : > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> >>
> >> : > (1) why you made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding
> >> : > the SWC
> >> :
> >> : Its my opinion and my belief until you prove otherwise.
> >>
> >> RBlackmore/JBelling has carnal knowledge of sheep. That is my opinion
> >> and my belief until he proves otherwise.
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>>>>
> >Stop barking and go back to bed with your mama/
>
> Blackmore has definately been trapped in the corner where most all
> deniers end up. Note the documentation offered in Mr. Blackmore’s
> retort. Impressive isn’t it?
>
>
>
>
>>>>
About as impressive as yours.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 11:34:50 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> : > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>
> : > (1) why you made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding
> : > the SWC
> :
> : Its my opinion and my belief until you prove otherwise.
>
> RBlackmore/JBelling has carnal knowledge of sheep. That is my opinion
> and my belief until he proves otherwise.
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
No, I haven’t dated your ex-wives.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 11:34:50 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> Mike Curtis ([email protected]) wrote:
> : [email protected] wrote:
> : >> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> : >> [email protected] wrote:
> : >> : > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> : >>
> : >> : > (1) why you made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding
> : >> : > the SWC
> : >> :
> : >> : Its my opinion and my belief until you prove otherwise.
> : >>
> : >> RBlackmore/JBelling has carnal knowledge of sheep. That is my opinion
> : >> and my belief until he proves otherwise.
> : >>
> : >> Bill
> : >>
> : >>>>>
> : >Stop barking and go back to bed with your mama/
> :
> : Blackmore has definately been trapped in the corner where most all
> : deniers end up. Note the documentation offered in Mr. Blackmore’s
> : retort. Impressive isn’t it?
>
> Yup. It’s absolutely airtight, in my opinion.
>
> “That’s my opinion and my believe until he proves otherwise.”
>
> You’re a sad case, Mr. Belling.
>
> Bill
>
>
>>>>
Look who’s talking. At any rate, I’m here to stay, and every
insult is music to my ears.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 14:32:32 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >> Have you checked any of those assumptions?
>
> >Yes. She is a liar.
>
> Oh yes? For identifying as a brick building something which turns
> out to have been in fact…a brick building?
>
>>>>
Indeed. It sure wasn’t a gas chamber.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 14:32:32 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message [email protected] (Charles
> R.L. Power)21 Oct 1996 12:30:29 -0400 writes:
> :>
> :>[email protected] writes:
> :>
> :>>> Have you checked any of those assumptions?
> :>
> :>>Yes. She is a liar.
> :>
> :>Oh yes? For identifying as a brick building something which turns
> :>out to have been in fact…a brick building?
>
> What can I say Charles, that makes her a liar–in the denier world. Or else,
> she was tortured. Or both.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Who can say what prompted her to lie-only her
hairdresser knows for sure.
rb

From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 17:02:38 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: “Der Stuermer”-Hitler’s Favorite Mag?
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 11:19:10 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> :>> >
> :>>
> :>> What is Mr. Blackmore (not his real name) not an authority on? Mr.
> :>> Blackmore is fluent in German, an expert researcher, an authority on
> :>> the Holocaust and now and authority on Native American History. Mr.
> :>> Blackmore seems to be that rare individual who knows everythin, but in
> :>> the end is shown to know nothing. Another attempt at comparison bites
> :>> the dust.
>
> :>My posts must be rather effective. Thank you for the
> :>unintended complements.
>
> Mr. Blackmore plays his little game, sad as it may be.
>
> Alles was entsteht…..
>
> Fill in the rest, Mr. fluent German speaker.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time

Ich lehne ab, danke.
>
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 17:39:26 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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[email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
In message [email protected] (Mark
Van Alstine)Thu, 24 Oct 1996 20:41:45 -0800 writes:

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gord
McFee) wrote:

No, Gordon, I won’t apologize for this, any more than you are
willing to apologize for the slander of repeating that 6 million
Jews were murdered by the Germans.

Eichmann said a simular thing during his interrogation. I don’t think
that Mr. McFee has anything at all to be apologitic for.

The supreme irony in this is that Eichmann turns out to be less of a denier
than Mr. “Blackmore”.

Fortunately, I am not in Israeli custody.
Bad things seem to happen to people while
in their custody.

Indeed! However, does this mean that Herr Schwarzesel _won’t_ be offering
his usual lying scumbag Nazi apologia in defense of Eichmann’s part in the
Holocaust? After all, Eichmann, like Ho”ss, openly _admitted_ that the
Nazis murdered millions of Jews.

No, I am sure a spirited defense of Eichmann is not far away. The claim will
be made that he was tortured, brainwashed and otherwise mistreated to the
point where he would have admitted anything. Of course, no attempt will be
made to explain why he was permitted to invoke “only following orders” as a
defense.

How nice. Repartee between Pete and RePete.

Perhaps they had a few baseball bats ready just in case…..
>
> :>Since we know all about Herr Schwarzesel’s pathological obsession, for
> :>example, in asserting (without evidence) that Ho”ss’s testimonies and
> :>memoirs were coerced and/or falsified, one might wonder how long it will
> :>be until Herr Schwarzesel starts ranting about how Eichmann’s was
> :>”tortured” and “coerced” during his interrogation and testimony as
> :>well….
> :>
> :>It’s only a matter of time. Really.
>
> You got it!
>
> So predictable.
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
> As are your response, which are in line with the “Ten
Commandments of Nizkor supporters”.
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 17:51:48 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> : > [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
> : >
> : > > I would now like to ask for
> : > > your permission to publish the record of our discussions, so that people
> : > > may know which of us is correct and which of us is incorrect. May I
> : > > have that permission?
> : >
> : > “rblackmore” has informed me in email that I may _not_ have that
> : > permission.
>
> : Say what you like, it is of no special concern to me.
> : Belligerence? What an odd word to use……..
>
> It’s going to be hard for anybody, Mr. Belling, to avoid the conclusion
> that you’re lying, based on the above facts as posted by Mr. McCarthy.
> Do you really have nothing further to say on the matter?
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
Usually, I do, thank you.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 23:07:10 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Kathleen Mulhern) writes:
> I’ll try this one more time, and since I have already included portions of
> this book in responses and they have, mysteriously, never recieved a
> reply, I’ll try it this one last time:
>
> The book: _Auschwitz: 1270 to the Present_. The authors: Deborah Dwork
> and Robert Jan van Pelt. The publisher:W.W. Norton & Company, Inc., 500
> Fifth Avenue, New York, NY 10110. Copyright 1996 by the authors.
>
> Page 222: “Design of a Degesch Zyklon B gas chamber. Osobyi Archive,
> Moscow, coll. 502/1, file 322. The tin with Zyklon B (5) is opened by a
> lever (3) connected to a tin opener (4); the Zyklon B crystals fall on a
> tray (6) and are heated by a hot-air blower (9) to facilitate
> evaporation.”

The honing of the gas chamber story continues until they
feel they have finally perfected it.
>
> Page 281: “Hitler was absolutely convinced, as he wrote in “Mein Kampf,”
> that ‘if at the beginning of the War and during the War twelve or fifteen
> thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the people had been held under
> poisen gas, as happened to hundreds of thousands of our very best German
> workers in the field, the sacrifice of millions at the front would not
> have been in vain. On the contrary: twelve thousand scoundrels eliminated
> in time might have saved the lives of a million real Germans, valuable for
> the future.'”

So you are implying 12 or 15 thousand people were killed by gas?
>
> Also on page 281: “‘I’ve ordered Himmler,’ Hitler assured his audience,
> ‘in the event of there some day being reason to fear troubles back at
> home, to liquidate everything he finds in the concentration camps. Thus
> at a stroke the revolution would be deprived of its only leaders.'”

He has ordered Himmler to what-round up portions of the Jewish
population in various and diverse places-especially war zones-and
incarcerate them as Americans incarcerated people of Japanese,
German, and Italian ancestry? Are you implying that these people
were all considered “leaders”? All Indians and no Chiefs, is that
it?
>
> Page 124: ”

(snip)
. No, our method is much
> simpler.”
>

The above is the most ridiculous nonsense I have ever
read-even for alt revisionism. To snip the higlights:

We do not carry out the action with
> poisen, injections or other measures which can be recognised … for then
> the foreign press and certain circles in Paris or London would only have
> new opportunities for propaganda against us ..

No, instead it is implied that they decided to use gas, which of
course would not be recognised or reported to the foreign press
or certain circles in Paris or London, and would never present
an opportunity to use as propaganda against them….un huh.

With these words he pulled a child out of its cot. While this
> fat, gross man displayed the whimpering skeletal little person like a hare
> which he had just caught, he coolly remarked: “Naturally, we don’t stop
> theur food straight away. That would cause too much fuss. We gradually
> reduce their portions. Nature takes care of the rest … this one won’t
> last more than two or three more days.”

The things some people are prepared to believe! Of course
slow starvation of disabled children was another form of murder
which the world
press would never use as propaganda against the Germans.
And of course the Herr Doktor has no problem confessing
murder of children in front of dozens of witnesses, who no doubt
all applauded and stole the chicken bone right out of the poor
child’s hand and devoured it for themselves. This fantasy tale
smacks of Hansel and Gretl or Oliver Twist.

Five thousand children were killed in this way.

Of course, aside from these fantastic remarks of the
Doctor, you will produce actual proof that this crime
was committed, won’t you?

Satified with the
> pediatric program, Hitler instructed Bouhler’s department to organize the
> murder of the adults unfit for life. After consultation with Albert
> Widmann, the chief of the Chemical Department of the Criminal Technical
> Institute, Bouhler’s deputy, Viktor Brack, recommended the use of bottled
> carbon monoxide produced at BASF.”

Now, you will provide accurate documentation for all of this,
won’t you? Of course you won’t. And whatever happened to
Albert Widmann?

>
> And there is so much more, including notes on blue prints and more primary
> source material that the authors of this book were able to uncover. I’ll
> print more.

Undoubtedly of the same low standards as your present posting.
>

From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 23:07:10 PST 1996
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> Chuck Ferree writes:
> Chuck Ferree wrote:
>
> blackmore, you ignorant turkey, your posts aren’t getting to anybody,
> more are on the way, you warn us, but do we care? Hell, I don’t
> because I can’t go to funny movies any more, have a hearing problem.
> WHAT?
>
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > [email protected] (Derek Bell) writes:
> > > —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—–
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >>>>
> > You also forgot to mention that my posts are
> > obviously getting to you. Not to fear-more are on the
> > way.
>
>
> BFD send ‘um on, they are not really funny, just silly, and I’ve
> always been a sucker for silly. My Mom told me I was even silly to
> join the Air Corps. But did I listen? No!
> Chuck
>
>>>>
Which proves your instability. You should have listened
to your dear old mother.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 23:07:11 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> Chuck Ferree writes:
>

>
> Nizkor has the best data available, and it says both that the gas
> chamber probably wasn’t used to kill humans, also in another section,
> it states that it may have been used to kill humans. Those that run
> the Dachau Memorial are cautious, but in 1983 on a return to Europe,
> the documentation read that the gas chamber had been used to gas
> people. Today, they don’t say one way or the other.
>
> Chuck Ferree
>
>>>>
Which proves the nature of the fraud.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 27 23:07:12 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] having been caught in a lie tries to cover up with a few
> more:
> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > >
> > That is impossible. There is no such opinion and blackmore has been
> > > caught — again — distorting a source beyond all recognition.

Nonsense, of course.
>

>
>

> Nor should it have been. Note, as well, the ususal “revisionist” trick.
> A lawyer for the nazis says so. Therefore it must be true.

Of course if Mr. Edeikin had his way, the Nazis would have
received no representation whatsoever. As it turns out, it did
them little good anyway, as their sentences had already been
predetermined before the trials ever began.
>
> > These are the real facts concerning Nuremberg.
>
> Your statement did not refer to Nuremberg, it referrred to trials held
> under U.S. law.

All the trials were conducted within the atmosphere of hate
and revenge typified by the Nuremberg “trial” which actually
set the precedent.
>
> > Mr. Edeikin’s
> > “Dirty Dancing” fools no one who has access to the whole truth,
> > something he seeks to conceal and distort on a more or less
> > continual basis. My question is “why”?
>
> blackmore, fresh from admitting to being an accomplice is forging
> posts now tries to obsfuscate his dishonesty.

I never admitted any such thing. You are a paranoid fool
who has no answer to argument save duplicity.

blackmore claimed that there is a
> an opinion from the U.S. Supreme Court stating that they had no jurisdiction over
> trials held pursuant to U.S. law at Dachau.

I offered a quote and the quote was quoted correctly. Aside from
that, it is the truth-something which seems to upset Mr. Edeikin.

He refused to produce the opinion
> and told others to do their own research.

I tell them what you told me.

It was done. Not only was there no
> such opinion ever written

Liar.

but the point he made was flatly contradicted by
> another opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court (Hirota v. MacArthur 338 U.S. 197)
> which explains the proper procedure and the fact that another defendant at
> those trials was allowed to appeal to U.S. courts (Eisentrager v. Forrestal 174
> F.2d 961). Any competent researcher could find those opinions at any county
> law library.

Another distortion and a lie.
>
> blackmore resorts, as seems to be his habit, to calling names and
> throwing out red herrings.

And of course Mr. Edeikin steals my lines, proving he has
no originality.
>
> To prove his contentions would be very simple. All he has to do is
> produce the opinion of the Supreme Court to which he claims he referred. He
> does not. He cannot.

The Supreme Court refused to hear the case-comprende?
>
> –YFE
>
>
> >

The legal precedent for these trials were set at Nuremberg,
where in the original charter, Paragraph VII of Ordinance No. 7, we find:

“The Tribunals shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. They
shall adopt and apply to the greatest extent expeditious and non-technical
procedure, and shall admit any evidence which they deem to have probative value.

Which is irrelevant. The Dachau trials were not conducted under the
Nuremberg Charter but U.S. military law. The old “revisionist” bait and switch.

No one is being fooled by your duplicity here, Mr. Edeikin.
The low standards set at Nuremberg were valid for all
subsequent trials of accused Germans.

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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:

(Mike’s sad commentary snipped)
>
> Blackmore: It is curious indeed how every epithet you apply to
> me applies to yourself….there must be something
> very Freudian in all of this? Tell me, how did you
> get along with your mother and father?
>
> Oh my, now he wants information about my childhood! At least my
> rlelatives were not destroyed by the Nazis. This made my making
> possible.
>
>
>
>>>>
Are you Jewish?

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> [email protected] (Miloslav Bilik) writes:
>
Some days before, the Professor
> Hirt, according to Mr Otto Bong, told: ‘They are going to fall like
> flies’.
> [..]
> This same day, the Professor Hirt tells me: ‘Pierre, if you can’t
> shut up, you will go in the same place'”

Hearsay.
In the strange world of the Holocaust any accusation will do.
rb

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>

> Imagine: your “comrades” are the likes of Giwer, Stele and Moron!
>
> It must hurt you when you have to face up to the fact that you are an
> intellectual fraud.
>
>
> Posted and e-mailed.
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Thank you for your observations.

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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:

It is hard to distinguish Mr. Blackmore from Jamie but I can guess.
There is the one making specific points and other not doing much of
anything. The latter is Blackmore.

Only a slave to another person’s opinions would make
that comment.

[email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
[email protected] wrote:

2. I would say that the Nazis treatment of the Jewish
people was similar to America’s treatment of Native Americans.

In other words,

No, in YOUR words……

they ruthlessly stripped them of their possessions and

Ruthlessly is not entirely accurate in every case. There is a factor
of two distinct cultures, Jamie, and they failed to understand the
other.

Oh, ta ta. Pete and RePete.

e major difference with the Germans and the Jews is that they
spoke the same language and shared most of the same culture. They did
not share the same religion. Just as there is a catholic Germany
(South) and a protestant Germany (North) there was an urban Jewish
community. this community was a distinct minority.

Jewish people were still Jews of the mediterranean, Semitic race of
people, which differs from the european stock, as the Native
Americans and the White Europeans, with the exception that the
Germans were the indigenous population, to which the Jews had
more or less assimilated themselves over the centuries. This is a
simple fact which you will now seek to distort, no doubt. In America,
though the intruders were white europeans, they did not assimilate
themsleves into the Native American system of society but reversed
the role.

Another difference is that some Indian communitees tended to leave a
particular location at seasonal times. This wasn’t understood by the
European community.

Many Indians were migratory. Also, ever heard of the expression
“Wandering Jews”?

land, treated them like animals,

The Indian failed to grasp the European culture and would attack their
communities in forms that could be described as animalistic. Normally
women and children were taken back by the attacking party. Many of
these prisoners were later incorporated into the tribe.

Many were, and many weren’t. Many warlike tribes took prisoners
simply to torture them to death. However, even in the warlike tribes
captives were often integrated into tribal society. In war, Native
Americans usually gave no quarter nor expected any, as this formed
a part of their “warrior code”.

The Europeans
tried the same thing only to meet with massive failure. The cultures
just simply didn’t understand each other. There was no such excuse for
the Germans in there treatment of their own kind and the Jewish
population.

One can always find excuses. Of course you will turn
this around and say tha I am the one looking for excuses.
Your responses are so predictable by now.

sent them on forced marches with
staggering death rates, and let disease kill them by the hundreds of
thousands.

This is true. Barbarities can be found among the Indian tribes, Jamie.
They were after all a minority. They couldn’t even get along with each
other. To some degree they had “racist” ideas about other tribes. They
also turned on their own kind. No history is simplistic. There is no
excuse for what individual communities did to the natives in the end.
We are looking at history through our modern eyes and forget that
frontier settlers had to deal with a culture and a group of people
they didn’t understand.

For once I agree with Mr. Curtis’s evaluation.
(The similarity ends in the camps, where the Nazis built
machines of mass murder, though of course you would deny the facts of
the matter.) Further, a significant segment of the population,
probably the majority, had not even enough sympathy with the victims
to raise their voices in protest.

Actually, there was much support in the east. But the frontier
communities elected their senators and representatives to take care of
a problem they saw as dangerous. Grant even appointed an Indian to be
the head of Indian Affiars.

An “uncle Tom”, as some considered him. Similar to
the Jewish Ghetto Police.

I have found that there was much blame to
> go around with both sides. The fact that one was a minority and of a
> completely different culture both in language and in thought makes it
> very sad indeed. This fact is only true in one way when the
> German/Jewish question is studied.
>

>
> > Protest under the Nazi regime was of course much more difficult than
> > protest in the American Colonies or the newly-formed U.S. of A.
> > Furthermore, the population of the Colonies and States was not
> > subjected to a torrent of anti-Indian propaganda in anything like the
> > way that the German population was.
> >
> >Nonsense. Furthermore, both Indians and whites indulged in
> >horrific massacres.
> >
>
> He’s talking about the propaganda. To some degree Jamie is not
> informed about the propaganda within England, Spain, and France. This
> propaganda seems to be more cultural misunderstanding than anything
> else. To the Puritan the natives were the children of Satan and had to
> be saved. To the French they were a market to be exploited. To the
> Spanish they were just trash. John Smith was fired on immediately by a
> Virginia tribe. It seems that they didn’t trust Europeans.
>
> One difference that I can immediately see is that the Jews never
> indulged in a massacre against the Germans to bring on the way they
> were treated.

Apparently not, in the sense that we are thinking of it.
According to the Nazis interpretation, they thought differently.
>
> >(snip)
> >
> > I would say the most important differences are: (1) Native Americans
> > were never subjected to forced labor (to my knowledge) on the scale
> > that the Nazis used their enemies.
> >
> >They certainly were subjected to forced labor in South America and
> >Mexico on a massive scale.
> >
>
> Native Americans to Americans are the North American Indian tribes.

In this context, then no. they had the Afro-Americans for that.
>
> > (2) The technologies differed,
> >> allowing the Nazis to be much more efficient in their mass murder.
> >
> >What mass murder do you refer to?
>
> Mr. Blackmore chooses to act dumb.

You choose to ignore the question.
>
> >>
> >> Most importantly, (3) the Nazi slaughter took place not on a frontier
> >> being explored, but on land that had been civilized a thousand years
> >> prior; not of a remote, unseen, illiterate people, but of a people
> >> who for years had lived side-by-side with the aggressors in peace and
> >> fought side-by-side with them in war; and not in a time of discovery,
> >> but in a time of enlightenment and Kultur.
> >
> >What area are you referring to? Poland? Soviet Russia?
>
> Pretty soon he’ll be stomping his feet.

Ignoring the question again.
>
> >
> > The familiarity and
> >> modernity of the Nazi crime and its victims made shocking contrast
> >> with the hideous barbarity of its results.
> >
> >The accusations are shocking. They have yet to be proven, and I can’t
> >see where the alleged acts of the nazis were more inhumane than the acts
> >of the Soviets or the other allies.
>
> Mr. Blackmore forgets that we are dealing with the Nazis and not the
> Soviets.

He brought the subject of Nazi crimes up…..
>
> [snipped so what trail]
>
> >> I might add something about theories of racial supremacy having been
> >> discredited by mainstream scientific circles by the time of the Nazis,
> >
> >By whom? You have heard of C. Coon, Lothrop Stoddard, Morton,
> >Gobineau, etc. So what you write here is not a fact.
> >
>
> Mr. Balckmore is stomping his little feet [tm]!

And you are clapping your little hands……
>
> [snip]
>
> That was fun

Wasn’t it?
rb

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From: [email protected]
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> Chuck Ferree writes:
> Chuck Ferree writes:
>
> Blackmore denies dating other men’s wives. I believe him, he has no
> need for female companionship. Making love by himself suits this idiot
> just fine.
> Chuck
>
>>>>
You are a “Master” in this “art”, no doubt, as well
as a master-baiter.
rb

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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> : I don’t know why I even bother with you but
> : I will refer you to the latest book on this subject
> : which contradicts everything you write-and no,
> : it is noot a revisionist publication.
>
> Then do so, Mr. Belling. You’ve developed a disturbing habit
> of saying you’re going to provide documentation, and then not
> doing so. Put up or shut up.
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
I gave it in a previous post. It is “The Devil’s Adjutant”
by Michael Reynolds, available at most fine book stores.

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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:

Have you checked any of those assumptions?
Yes. She is a liar.

Can’t you see Mr. Blackmore stomping his little feet and gathering
dust like Pigpen?

So, now it is “Pigpen”……..very scholarly indeed..

Now, if she did indeed describe this building inaccurately, does this
mean that she never saw it?

She is the one who claimed to have been given a royal
tour through the “Black Museum”.

Mr. Blackmore’s obvious hatred and fevered imagination are
getting the best of him.

Obvious hatred? Get off your little soap-box, because
no one is listening to your whining anyway. It is clear
that my arguments have gotten the best of you, and
rather quickly, I might add, which says something about
your instability.

In no place does the witness claim
> to have been given a “grand tour” of the gas chambers. Mr.
> Blackmore is challenged to document the exact amount of
> time that the witness spent in the gas chamber. He can’t and
> he won’t.

She was there long enough to lie about it, and that’s all
I am concerned with. You wish to defend her lies? Go
ahead-she is probably one of the best witnesses you have.
>
> > If so, how is it that we know what building
> >> she was describing?
> >
> >Read her testimony.
>
> Sound like Mr. Blackmore really hasn’t an answer to a specific
> question. This makes me wonder if Mr. Blackmore has read the testimony
> himself.

Fantasy island…….
>
> [snipped dual ad hominems]
>
> >>
> >> I will skip your babblings on HCN cylinders since it’s outside my
> >> competence. From reading your own words, it looks like it’s outside
> >> yours as well.
> >
> >I didn’t post anything of mine on the cylinders. As I said, the
> >info above was supplied via a browser, and what they wrote appears
> >to be true.
> >
>
> No, he appears to have gotten Mr. Blackmore backed against a wall and
> so he resorts to personal attacks and avoids the issues. Typical
> methods of the denier.

Personal attacks? How is “Pigpen” for starters?
It is curious indeed how every epithet you apply to
me applies to yourself….there must be something
very Freudian in all of this? Tell me, how did you
get along with your mother and father?
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>

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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 21 Oct 1996 11:08:02 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> >
> >If I want my opinion, I’ll ask you for it.
>
>
> Poor old Herr Belling. Now he’s so confused he has to ask someone else what
> his opinion is. 🙂
>
>>>>
And you’re just the wrong person for the job…..

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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
>
> > > Any way you want it, little boy. A complaint about your forgery to
> > > your ISP will shortly be filed.
>
> > >>>You better be able to prove I sent a forgery before
> > you make an ass out of yourself, which seems to be a habit
> > of yours….rather chronic I would say.
>
> I complained after your statement implying that you were involved and
> refused to answer directly.
>
> Th ass here is you. First you were fooled by the forgeries. Then, to
> cover your stupidity, you claimed you were involved. Finally it is damn clear that
> you approved of them.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
The ass here is you-as well as a harbinger of falsehoods and
base accusations, which seems to be in line with your usual
methods of operation. You are a sad individual after all, and as
of this day, my communication with you ceases, until you apologize.

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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:

Don’t tell me what I can and cannot grasp. I grasp it all too well and it
does not convince me.

It was ignored! (Gasp, I don’t think so, Mr. Blackmore!) So far you
have presented nothing very technical but out-of-context quotations
from very difficult and hard to obtain books. “You people” is such an
interesting way of putting it. This suggests that we agree in every

So you say……

Of course, they could not supply it then
and you cannot supply it now. It is your problem, not mine. Your
version of the Holocaust is being called to account.

Unfortunately the problem IS Mr. Blackmore’s. The problem is that Mr.
blackmore cannot handle the burden he has taken on and so he returns
to stomping his little feet.

Talking about yourself again?

If you are going to accuse people of murder, you had better be
able to prove it.

We have. The murders admitted it. Eichmann, Höss, and many others
admitted it. It is you, Mr. Blackmore who present such a poor defence.
It’s okay that you cannot see it.

Oh, yes, they admitted their grievious errors and abominable crimes-as
did the “witches” in years past. No matter that the witches were weighed
down with heavy stones, pricked with needles, ducked under water,
stretched on the rack, promised leniency for themselves
or for their family for a “full confession” which
would implicate others…….no similarity at all, eh, Mike?
Or Stalin’s infamous “show trials” where all was confessed to
openly, before being sentenced to death………Mike, your
responses are becoming more hysterical as the days pass.

[snipped an unaddressed portion and more stamping of little feet]

These documents do not refer to lethal gas chambers to
kill human beings, though you choose to attach that
interpretation because it is convenient for you to do so.

What of the blue prints, the orders of supplies, the testimony by both
the inmates and the Germans, the letters, the diaries, and the remains
of crematoriums of such a vast number that boggles the mind?

Blue prints-let’s discuss them. Which blue-prints? And
what do you think they purport to show?

Supplies? Which supplies? Coke for the crematoria?
Zyklon B to fumigate clothing and barracks? These were
common items to which you assign a sinister definition.
Ventilators? Also common in morgues or areas disinfested.
>
> >>
> >> Skipping ahead in the narrative, in October 1943, Himmler gave a
> >> speech of encouragement to a group of demoralized SS officers in which
> >> he said: “I am talking about the evacuation of the Jews, the
> >> extermination of the Jewish people. It is one of those things
> >> that is easily said. ‘The Jewish people is being exterminated.'”
> >
> >This whole speech is highly controversial and in any event does
> >not prove that people were being murdered.
>
> No, they were being exterminated. Even Eichmann admitted that Jews
> were sent to concentration camps and killed. Even Höss testified that
> he expected 20% to 30% of a transport to be useful for work. The rest
> were exterminated or gassed. He used the word gassed, I believe.

Again you rely on “testimony”. That will not do, I
am afraid. What we need is proof to verify the
accusations, however much you stomp your little
feet and curl your little toes.
>
> [snip]
>
> >
> >> or with forensic reports on cyanide traces or the locations of mass
> >> graves which match witness accounts.
> >
> >I have read these reports and they do not prove lethal gassings
> >to kill human beings.
> >
>
> Stomping his uncomfortable little feet.

You, again? ROTFL……
>
> >Instead, I will ask you to do
> >> something which you have not done so far and that is to give an
> >> explanation of the railway records which accounts for the following:
> >>
> >> 1) an authentic minutes that describes a plan to work Jews to death
> >> and deal with the rest
> >
> >Answered this. The Wannsee conference did not mention the killing of
> >Jews as was attested to by some of the participants decades later.
>
> Really. Who? Please keep it in context.

You are as well informed as I am on the subject.
Stop playing coy.
>
> >>
> >> 2) the construction of a large labour camp with an crematory
> >> overcapacity to be run by the very people given the task of settling
> >> the Jewish question
> >
> >Crematory ovens were common in camps. Auschwitz was a massive
> >facility, consequently they needed more ovens, especially since they
> >broke down frequently anyway.
>
> Then they burned the bodies in huge pits.

When the crematoria broke down. One couldn’t very
well leave cadavers lying around for weeks on end after
the unfortunate people had died from disease contracted
during epidemics, could they?

>
> >>
> >> 3) construction documents which make reference to gas chambers at the
> >> places where bodies are to be disposed of
> >
> >These refer to gas chambers for delousing and bodies which had died
> >from disease or old age, etc.
>
> No proof offerred.

There is more than enough proof. Refer to the
death books.
>
> >>
> >> 4) a document which orders that the accounting of prisoner property
> >> cease just at the time that the mass murder of inmates is alleged to
> >> have begun
> >
> >Taking property for the war effort is not the same as taking lives.
> >This is apparently a coincidence.
>
> No documentation offerred just Mr. Blackmore’s tiring opinions.

However, we are waiting for your proof that people
were murdered.
>
>
>
rb