Ken Lewis writes:
> [email protected]
> On 3 Oct 1996 04:06:09 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> #> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> #> > [email protected] writes:
> #> > > [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> #>
> #> > > You may say it until the cows come home, Mr. Blackmore, that will
> not make it
> #> > > true.
> #>
> #> > No, but the facts do make it true. Pity that you refuse to admit it.
> #>
> #> WHAT FACTS? You have presented no “facts” whatsoever.
> #>
> #> –YFE
> #>
> #>>>>
> #Are you suffering from delusional thinking?
>
>
> Why? Are _you_ looking for a soulmate?
>
>>>>
“Lawyers earn a living by the sweat of their browbeating.”- James Gibbons Huneker
From [email protected] Fri Oct 4 17:24:09 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
Date: 4 Oct 1996 12:16:21 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 07:48:59 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>
> :>> Interesting progression and one that I admit I had not noticed. Pretty damned
> :>> hard to whitewash a creature like Streicher, no matter what you think of his
> :>> sentence.
> :>>
> :>> :>And, of course, the only reason Herr Schwarzesel poo-poos Ho”ss is because
> :>> :>Ho”ss _admitted_ that he was responsible for the mass murder of over a
> :>> :>millin people! Kinda hard to white-wash _that_ when the scumbag Nazi who
> :>> :>did it _freely_ admittted he did it….
> :>>
> :>> He must like Eichmann, who made a similar admission, and then tried to hide
> :>> behind “I was only following orders”.
>
> :>Did you ever read that memorandum that was smuggled out of Eichmann’s cell by his
> :>attorney? How does it feel to be hob-nobbing with the elite scum of the earth?
>
> Since that is what you seem to do (Giwer, the idiot Moron, and whoever in
> Raven;s gangs of misfits is feeding you your rubbish), why don’t you tell us?
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Surprise, surprise…I have NO connection with any of them. Now,
who is feeding you that rubbish?
From [email protected] Fri Oct 4 17:24:10 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
Date: 4 Oct 1996 12:17:49 GMT
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 3 Oct 1996 04:06:09 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> #> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> #> > [email protected] writes:
> #> > > [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> #>
> #> > > You may say it until the cows come home, Mr. Blackmore, that will
> not make it
> #> > > true.
> #>
> #> > No, but the facts do make it true. Pity that you refuse to admit it.
> #>
> #> WHAT FACTS? You have presented no “facts” whatsoever.
> #>
> #> –YFE
> #>
> #>>>>
> #Are you suffering from delusional thinking?
>
>
> Why? Are _you_ looking for a soulmate?
>
>>>>
Why? Are you saying you’re available?
From [email protected] Fri Oct 4 17:24:11 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
Date: 4 Oct 1996 12:18:47 GMT
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 2 Oct 1996 10:32:08 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> #> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> #> On 30 Sep 1996 02:09:25 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
> #>
> #>
> #> #This is avoiding the issue. The rivers of Europe are and have been
> highly
> #> #polluted for decades now. If the British did not make the water
> potable,
> #> #perhaps many prisoners died as a result of drinking this water. Please
> #> #provide the proof that the British did not use filtering equipment.
> #>
> #> Giwers rules: He who asserts must prove.
> #>
> #> The two of you have made the assertion. YOU prove it.
> #>
> #>
> #>>>>
> #Try reading an encyclopedia.
>
> Sorry, Jellybelly, none of the encyclopedias support your’s and the
> Giwer-troll’s assertion that filtering equipment was used.
>
> You’re pissing against the wind again.
>
>
>
>>>>
Watch it doesn’t fly in your face.
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
Date: 4 Oct 1996 12:21:46 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
>
(snipped the usual ranting and diversion tactics)
>
> This MAY have been one reason, I’ll bet there was another. I’ll bet
> you’ll know if you’ve read ALL the documentation.
>
>
> [snipped repost of old news]
>
> [snipped unsubstantiated conclusions.]
>
>
>
>>>>
Read the documentation. My opinion is still the same.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 4 17:24:12 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]r.almanac.bc.ca> – [email protected]
> (Ken McVay OBC)2 Oct 1996 08:56:07 -0700 writes:
> :>
> :>In article <[email protected]>,
> :>[email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:
> :>
> :>>That, or else it was carted in single-handed by l’il Erniekins Zuendel,
> :>
> :>Was that Erniekins Zuendel, or Eniekins Zuendel? Someone needs
> :>to sell h*berkins a clue, so he can computer the answer….
>
> Hehehe. I doubt that H*uber would get the clue of it bit him in the b*m.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
You sound like giggling little school-girls. try acting mature even if it goes against
your grain.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 4 17:24:13 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> >> > [email protected] writes:
> >>
> >> > You have already received the answer, yet you pretend that you did not.
> >> > The British supplied water to the camp by piping it in from the river running
> >> > near the camp. The river which Kramer thought was polluted.
> >>
> >> No, the river which was not polluted which *you* state Kramer
> >> thought was polluted. Where is your evidence for this?
> >>
> >> –YFE
> >> It’s in the text of the trial. Try reading it someday, counselor.
> >>>>>
> >What evidence? That Kramer thought it was polluted? Well, we can’t very
> >well ask him today, can we?
>
> I see, you are making this all up.
>
> [snipped requests for us to his work for him]
>
>
>
>>>>
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 3 Oct 1996 09:32:52 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> >DANISH PROVERB: Lawyers and painters can soon change white to black.
>
> American Proverb: Holocaust deniers ‘try’ to change black to white.
>
>
>>>>
Find your own quotes. Don’t to rustle mine.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 4 17:24:14 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
>
.
>
> Not to belabor the obvious or anything, but where did the water in the
> water tanks (or reservoirs) come from? Surely a large camp like Belsen
> did not rely on rain water collected in cisterns. Could the tanks not
> have been drained after the corpses were removed and replenished from
> whatever their water source was? From the river perhaps?
Well, you are asking a speculative question here. One might think of a whole
list of perhaps, but all we have to go on is what is, or was. I am not sure
that even the British resorted to the method you described above. i did
not read it in the transcripts. i wish they were more explicit about the methods
they utilized after they took over the administration of the camp.
rb
>
> —
> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 07:45:45 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>
> :>> :>>>>>
> :>> :>You might hurt Mr. Zundel’s feelings…..Don’t you believe in the golden rule?
> :>>
> :>> Herr Zuendel ist ein Feigling und ein Arschloch. Es macht mir nichts, dass er
> :>> meine Meinung von ihm hasst oder liebt. Seine Behauptungen sind erstunken und
> :>> erlogen.
>
> :>Sehr niedlich. I’ll bet you say that to all the girls…..
>
> You wouldn’t bet that if you knew what I had said. Get one of your feeds to
> translate it for you and get back to us.
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
I don’t need to. I am fluent in German, or weren’t you aware of that fact?
What you wrote was : Mr. Zundel is a coward and an asshole. It’s of no concern to
me whether he loves or hates my opinion of him. His statements are filthy lies.
And like I wrote the first time: “I’ll bet you tell that to all the girls”. BTW, I am noticing
discernible changes in your personality…is it that time of the month?
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
rblackmore writes:
>
>I used to think that you were intelligent- so much for first impressions.
Now, to address your current Unsinn:
Nice little trick of censoring Dr. Keren’s post.
Who could ever hope of “censoring” “Doctor” Keren, as you refer to
him. In fact, he seems to have a lot in common with another “Doctor”
I have read about-Dr. Goebbels.
The fact that _you_ say that Ehlert was a liar is nothing more than blabber.
> :>> Please post the independent forensic evidence that _proves_ she was a liar.
> :>> Two unrelated lie detector results will suffice.
OK. One for you and one for Danny Keren.
Note that Mr. “Blackmore” does not deny that he censored Dr. Keren’s post.
Neither do I affirm it. I am waiting for you to answer for me, like you usually prefer to do.
>
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> > > The charges of torture at the Malmedy trial were thoroughly disproved.
> > > Clay states this. The Simpsom report states this. Extensive hearing before the
> > > Senate establish this.
>
> > > You are lying.
>
> > You are in error, as usual.
>
> “It was then that I asked for an independent review which led to the
> appointment of the Simpson Commission by the Department of the Army. This
> commission and my own Admisitration of Justice Review Board found that improper
> methods had been used to obtain evidence in the Malmedy cases. Members of the
> prosecution staff testified to the use of stage settings, stool pigeons, and similar
> methods to extract evidence. Extreme brutalities claimed by the prisoners, in
> manifest self-interest were denied by the prosecution staff and not borne out by
> other evidence.”
>
> –Lucius Clay “Decision in Germany” page 253.
>
> Apparently among those in error are Lucius Clay, the Simpson
> Commission, and the Senate of the United States.
>
> Apparently you are lying again. As usual.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
The facts are somewhat different, regardless of what Clay said then, to
try and save face.
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 04:09:52 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>>
> :>
> :>> Chuck wrote
> :>> Sure he will… :-)) just like he always does…later, but later
> :>> never comes. This guy is just full of it. “substance that stinks” he
> :>> must mean his breath.
> :>> Chuck
> :>>
> :>>>>>
> :>No, Chuck, I haven’t pasted my lips to the master’s behind like you have……
> :>Remember, a sknunk always smells his own hole first…..
>
> Mr. “Blackmore”, you used to be so nice and polite. Now you are acting like
> the rest of the deniers when their lies are exposed. Nasty…nasty.
>
> Since you haven’t pasted your lips to the master’s behind, can we assume you
> have pasted them to the master’s front?
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Get thee behind Danny Keren, Satan, and do what you do best…..be sure
to gargle afterwards.
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>
> >>>>>
> >Then why did the French announce in 1945: if any Germans were caught
> >committing acts of resistance against the French occupation army, that 10
> >Germans would be shot for every Frenchman killed?
>
> Tit for tat?
>
> I would like to take this opportunity to call people’s attention to
> the Nizkor “fallacies” feature. For this one, see:
>
> https://nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem-tu-quoque.html
> —
> Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
> POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
> Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.
>
>>>>
Don’t bother. I will be the first to say 2 wrongs equal 2 wrongs. Will you
second it?
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> [email protected] (Richard Schultz) wrote:
>
> >[email protected] wrote:
>
> >: First prove that these are authentic Reports.
>
> >Why didn’t any of the commanders of the Einsatzgruppen think of that one
> >at their trial? Too bad you weren’t defending them — an outright denial
> >might have been better for future revisionists than the defense they
> >actually used (“I did it, but I was just following orders.”)
>
> Oh but, Richard, the Einsatzgruppen defendants must have been tortured
> into saying that. Didn’t you know? If a testimony is inconvenient, it
> was obtained by torture. If a document is inconvenient, it is a
> forgery. And so far from having to prove it to be so, “revisionists”
> have only to insinuate it to make it so.
>
> —
> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
First of all, the Einsatzgruppen commanders DID say that many of their
reports and figures were exaggerated. Secondly, German officers
and soldiers WERE tortured. Uncomfortable for you to have to admit,
but true nonetheless.
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 3 Oct 1996 09:57:03 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> >> On 29 Sep 1996 18:12:22 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >> #> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> >> #> The Chief of the Security Police and the SD
> >> #>
> >> #> Berlin, August 7, 1941
> >> #>
> >> #>
> >> #>
> >>
> >> #Your point?
> >>
> >> I am not making one, Herr Belling. I will let the Einsatzgruppen Reports
> >> make the point for me.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >First prove that these are authentic Reports.
>
> I’ve already done that Herr Belling. Do try to keep up with the newsgroup.
>
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/the-einsatzgruppen-reports
>
>
>>>>
No, you haven’t done that to my satisfaction. However, Ms. Alpert
sent me what I requested. you ought to try and act more like a lady,
people might respect you more.
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
>
.
>
> In his short sojourn in alt.revisionism Herr Belling has shown a marked
> proclivity for wallowing in the mire with the rest of the deniers and
> accepting unsubstantiated secondary sources and his ‘opinion’ as being of
> more value than documentary evidence and first-hand accounts.
>
>>>>
At any rate, the documents you have posted do not add up to millions.
Try again. Check out a few “first hand accounts” in my posts, “Soviet
Def Comedy Jam” Parts 1-5.
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 09:57:03 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> :>> On 29 Sep 1996 18:12:22 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
> :>>
> :>> #> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> :>> #> The Chief of the Security Police and the SD
> :>> #>
> :>> #> Berlin, August 7, 1941
> :>> #>
> :>> #>
> :>> #>
> :>>
> :>> #Your point?
> :>>
> :>> I am not making one, Herr Belling. I will let the Einsatzgruppen Reports
> :>> make the point for me.
> :>>
> :>>
> :>>>>>
> :>First prove that these are authentic Reports.
>
> Of course. When we get a report, signed by Himmler and submitted to Hitler,
> as attested in writing by his adjutant, the only thing you clowns have left is
> the old, “gee, it’s a forgery”. Pathetic.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Fie on you, McFee.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 4 17:24:22 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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> Brian Harmon <[email protected]> writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Ahh, Herr Belling? And I thought it was you that deplored the tone of this
> > > conference? Now you are wallowing in the slop with the rest of the
> > > revisionists?
> >
> > Apparently I am learning from your Nizkor cronies.
>
> You are responsible for your own behavio.
>
> > >
> > > Herr Belling, I have started to note how many times you refuse to answer a
> > > question – saying you don’t have time to get to it now – or that you’ll get
> > > to it later – or that you simply sidestep.
> >
> > No sidestep. I DO have a life aside from alt.revisionism. If I say I will get to
> > something in the future, then I will. I am not like your Nizkor buddies.
>
> Whoopie. Rather than insulting the ‘nizkor cronies’, why don’t you simply back
> up your assertions?
>
>
>
> Brian Harmon <[email protected]>
> ====================================
> “Right on, jew traitor.” — Matt Giwer,
> displaying his commitment to rational debate.
> <[email protected]>
>
>>>>
I usually do…one step at a time…..
From [email protected] Fri Oct 4 17:24:22 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) wrote:
>
> >The one who has proven to be pathetic here is you. You had such a promising
> >start but now ….
> >
>
> I thought so too. Reminds me of Ehrlich606.
>
> >I think your ego has gotten the best of you. Given the quality of your
> >scholarship I don’t think that anything you are working on at the moment
> >will come close to changing world opinion on the holocaust. It may get you
> >honororable mention as a star fruitcake up there with Butz and Irving
> >however!
> >
>
> Never! They are much more clever and much more will to attempt to back
> up their opinions by whatever means necessary. They’ll do it even at
> the expense and in the face of historical data.
>
>
>
>>>>
You like that don’t you?
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From: [email protected]
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> Brian Harmon <[email protected]> writes:
> [email protected] writes:…
>
>
> Mr. Blackmore, your double standard is showing.
>
>
> —
> Brian Harmon <[email protected]>
> ====================================
> “Right on, jew traitor.” — Matt Giwer,
> displaying his commitment to rational debate.
> <[email protected]>
>
>>>>
In all candidness, what I would like for you to do is research these things
for yourself. I can’t always accomodate you. Be content to attack what
I post whenever I get around to it. I expect no less from you.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 4 17:24:24 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 08:21:10 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> :>>
> :>
> :>> In other words, you are just fabricating things. Thank you for admitting it.
No, thank YOU for admitting it. Whenever I need to express my opinion in the future,
I will be sure to call on you so I will know what I am going to say. Christ, you’re starting
to sound like Raj Gandhi now. Sad, really.
> :>
> :>
> :
>
> [deleted]
>
> :>
> Yet, you seem to have lots of time to make unfounded allegations, don’t you?
I do what I can.
>
>
> Boy, have I heard that line before. Sure you don’t want me to post your
> _real_ name (not the several pseudonyms you post under and the one you _used_
> to post under, but your REAL name?
Send it to me in an e-mail and I’ll tell you if it’s right or not.
>
>
From [email protected] Fri Oct 4 17:24:25 PDT 1996
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[email protected] (Gord McFee to Blackmore) Blackmore:
>
> >> how do you explain
> >> the following remark of Hermann Rauschning?
> >
> >How do you explain that Rauschning has since been proven to have been a fabricator
> >and liar.
.
Why bother, Belling/Blackmore
Would it matter if I did? However, since you said don’t bother, I won’t.
>
> Yuop, those Belling/Blackmore/Whoever hands are waving and brushing
> away stuff that gets in the way of his belief system.
>
Look who’s talking about belief systems!!
> > I am only interested in facts, and not interpretations.
>
> This quite a hoot from someone who hardly posts any — facts.
I post them all the time. you just find them uncomfortable, that’s all.
> This is from someone who posts mostly unsubstiated opinions, er,
> interpretations.
I never stated that my opinions were facts. I just use what I believe to be
logic and common sense. I don’t try to convert anyone. People are free
to think for themselves.
s can be seen from reading the Von Hassell diaries.
>
> What page?
I will post it Friday.
>
> >By the way, someone told me that you are using a pseudonym-is this true?
. Why do you care
> about this considering your history?
I don’t. Just asking.
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >It must be clearly understood that the entire Holocaust-gassing myths
> > stands and falls with the “confession” of Rudolf Hoess, one-time
> > commandant of Auschwitz – an Allied prisoner who was sadistically
> > tortured.
>
> I’m sure you would *like* that to be “clearly understood”. That is,
> however, utter bullshit.
>
>>>>
Right. Like you are some kind of demi-god sent here to pontificate
for the rest of us.
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Here is another telling vignette, as recounted by American author
> > Marguerite Higgins visited Germany following the war and later wrote
> > of her experiences in “News Is a Singular Thing”.
>
> […]
>
> >What follows is a series of reports concerning the treatment Waffen SS soldiers
> > received at the hands of the Allies. All documentation is taken from the
> > book “Alliierte Kriegsverbrechen und Verbrechen gegen die Menschlichkeit.”
>
> So you have found a total of two rather vaguely cited documentary
> sources claiming Allied mistreatment of German prisoners. I could
> list thousands of documentary sources for Germans’ genocideal
> mistreatment of Jews and Gypsies. I would think that you would
> want to establish the bona fides of Marguerite Higgins and whoever
> put together “Alliierte Kriegsverbrechen…”.
>
> >How absurd and ignorant it is for Nizkor to claims that confession
> > were never extracted from the Germans by coercion or torture!
>
> Pardon me, but has Nizkor ever made such a claim? I think you’re
> confusing the request that any such claims be decently documented
> with the sort of blanket denial which is on its face ridiculous.
>
> And finally, what has all this got to do with Hoess? Your biggest
> complaint about Nurnberg seems to be the American flags. Did this
> constitute torture?
>
>>>>
Read again, wizard. BYW, more is on the way.
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 05:35:40 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>>
> :>> I don’t think anyone is “complaining.” I think they are pointing out
> :>> your silly attempts at denial. BTW, no one here is against true
> :>> historical revisionism.
> :>
> :>
> :>That is the biggest and best laugh I have had all year!
>
> If that is the biggest laugh you have had all year, I strongly urge you to
> replenish your laugh supply.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
I will. Next time I read one of your posts.
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 3 Oct 1996 05:35:40 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> #
> #
> #>
> #> I don’t think anyone is “complaining.” I think they are pointing out
> #> your silly attempts at denial. BTW, no one here is against true
> #> historical revisionism.
> #
> #
> #That is the biggest and best laugh I have had all year!
>
> Start reading your own posts. They’ll give you a good bell laugh too.
>
>
>>>>
Yeh, they do-especially when I read your replies.
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> I don’t know how to break this to you, Mr. Blackmore, but simply filling a
> >> line with a series of question marks and exclamation points is hardly a
> >> rebuttal.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> —
> >> Gord McFee
> >> I’ll write no line before its time
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >That constutues my rebuttal in this case. Let others be the judge of Ehrenburg’s
> >comments.
>
>
> Rebuttle to what case? The Streicher stuff? Don’t be an idiot.
>
>
>
>>>>
What are you talking about?
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>
>
> > Do it-you will make this doubting Thomas a believer.
>
> There is no way to make you at true believer. Frankly, I don’t care if
> you are a true believer about anything. Making you such is not why
> anyone is here.
I knew you would cop out with this lame excuse. Typical.
>
> Also a concern about the beliefs systems of someone who hides behid
> false names is not high on my priorities at present.
Atsa nice.
>
>
>
>
>>>>
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> > > Then why have you failed to deal with the facts contained therein?
>
> > I am dealing with the information contained therein, as well as other sources-
> > are you?
>
> Don’t be silly. The book contradicts every one of cherished ideas about
> Kramer. You have claimed that his intention was to treat the prisoners humanely. The
> information Segev presents makes a very convincing case that Kramer — and the other
> commandants of the concentration camps — were indoctrinated and ordered to treat the
> prisoners as sub-human.
>
> Deal with it, sonny boy.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Correction: Don’t refer me to a secondary source.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 4 17:24:30 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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> Brian Harmon <[email protected]> writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
, the blowers in the undressing room were more powerful than the ventilators
> > in the alleged “gas chamber”.
>
> Says who?
It’s a fact.
>
> > It should have been the other way around.
>
> Why?
Zyklon is lighter than air.
> Why should i have to prove TO YOU that every document
> historians use is genuine?
You don’t.
> >
What are these “special actions”?
>
> Sonderaktions = Gassing.
Your interpretation.
>
> This isn’t the only place the term ‘special action turned up,
> Dr. Kremer also wrote about them in his diary:
I have read this. I have the book “Auschwitz in the eyes of the SS”.
>
>
. They don’t
> call Auschwitz the extermination camp for nothing!
German for the above, please, if possible.
> Kremer also testified about his diary, and confirmed that
> “Sonderaktion” means gassing.
Do you happen to know when and where?
>
> Letter from SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Bischoff, of the Auschwitz construction
. I provide cited documents in answer to
> some of your claims, and your response is to bombard
> me with demands to prove their authenticity.
I feel it is a pertinent request. why do you think it isn’t?
you tell your challengers to ‘read the testimony’.
I wish I had the testimony from Kramer’s trial, as well as Artur Liebehenschel’s.
Both are unavailable in German and English.
I believe you have your dates wrong. The Typhus epidemic
> was in 1942, i believe. Kremer wrote about it in his diary.
You believe? Also, you did not state what happened to Jahrling. Do you know?
>
>
rb
From [email protected] Fri Oct 4 17:24:31 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> > > Then why have you failed to deal with the facts contained therein?
>
> > I am dealing with the information contained therein, as well as other sources-
> > are you?
>
> Don’t be silly. The book contradicts every one of cherished ideas about
> Kramer. You have claimed that his intention was to treat the prisoners humanely. The
> information Segev presents makes a very convincing case that Kramer — and the other
> commandants of the concentration camps — were indoctrinated and ordered to treat the
> prisoners as sub-human.
>
> Deal with it, sonny boy.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Don’t quote me a secondary case, counselor.
From [email protected] Fri Oct 4 17:24:31 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Human tattooed skins and Jars of Stomachs
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
t the use of torture, threat, bribery,
> >intimidation, etc., was the RULE rather than the exception.
And you claim it without substantiation. Rather convenient.
I will get to posting it all in time.
>
> >>
> >> In particular, you need to deal with the postwar trials conducted by
> >> the West German government.
> >
> >I will gladly do so at a future date. Each item in it’s turn.
>
> <Yawn>
Yessuh massah, i’s gwine git rit to it.
Even harder to deal with are testimonies such as that given by
> >> Treblinka guard Franz Suchomel in the documentary “Shoah.” Please tell me
> >> what torture he was subjected to.
> >
> >I never claimed he was tortured.
> >
> Well there’s one exception to your rule. How many more may we find?
How many more will I find to contradict you?
Right now, I prefer to deal with this case.
> >
>
> This is what case?
Hoess.
>
>
>
>>>>
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>
I did not imply that you are in communication with anyone. For all you know,
> I was talking about Ernie from Sesame Street and Greg Nettles of the NY
> Yankees. Guilty conscience?
Huh? WERE you talking of Greg Nettles and Ernie from Sesame street?
>
> :>> :>(Rauschning’s lies and fabrications snipped)
> :>>
> :>> My ass.
> :>
You embarrassed only yourself by attempting to discredit a source by simply
> saying you discredit the source.
Nope. Gave you a source. Posted it earlier as well.
As I said, Mr. Blackmore, you have a double
> :>> standard that gets more and more transparent every day.
Whatever you say, Gordie.
It is indeed a double standard. You blabber, everyone else is expected to
> research.
If you had done all your research in the first place, before making accusations
I wouldn’t need to ask.
>
> since I lack the essential qualities of
> “revisionists”, i.e. dishonesty and cowardice.
Thanks for your opinion of yourself.
>
>
>
> —
>
From [email protected] Sat Oct 5 08:54:20 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: ‘kurtzi’ stele, the Untermench (Re: Jewish Al
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 4 Oct 1996 09:59:16 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
>
> >> Oh yes. I forgot. I wasn’r answering for you, Jellybelly. I was replying to
> >> Mark. His was such a good post catching you dead-to-rights in an outright
> >> lie and I was merely commenting that I was unsurprised.
>
> >> Now tell us what this lie is that I propound daily.
>
> >Let’s see, first it was “Schwarzmehr”, then “Herr Schwarzesel”, now “Jellybelly”,
> >as in “Jellyroll Morton”? i think I like that one the best.
>
> Well, of course it wasn’t I who called you Schwarzmehr or Herr Scwarzesal.
> Nor is Jellybelly original to me. I did like it though.
>
>
>
>
>>>>
Me, too. Shall we settle on using that one in the future?
From [email protected] Sat Oct 5 08:54:21 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> Oh yes. I forgot. I wasn’r answering for you, Jellybelly. I was replying to
> >> Mark. His was such a good post catching you dead-to-rights in an outright
> >> lie and I was merely commenting that I was unsurprised.
> >>
> >> Now tell us what this lie is that I propound daily.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >Let’s see, first it was “Schwarzmehr”, then “Herr Schwarzesel”, now “Jellybelly”,
> >as in “Jellyroll Morton”? i think I like that one the best.
>
> I’m sure no one cares.
>
>
>
>>>>
Then why did you bring it up?
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 4 Oct 1996 09:56:50 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> >> On 3 Oct 1996 07:33:41 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> And just what is the lie that I ‘propound daily,’ Herr Belling?
>
> >You are “living” a lie.
>
> And what would that be, Herr Belling?
>
>
>>>>
Look in the mirror.
From [email protected] Sat Oct 5 08:54:22 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 4 Oct 1996 13:03:04 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> >>
> >.
> >>
> >> In his short sojourn in alt.revisionism Herr Belling has shown a marked
> >> proclivity for wallowing in the mire with the rest of the deniers and
> >> accepting unsubstantiated secondary sources and his ‘opinion’ as being of
> >> more value than documentary evidence and first-hand accounts.
>
> >At any rate, the documents you have posted do not add up to millions.
> >Try again. Check out a few “first hand accounts” in my posts, “Soviet
> >Def Comedy Jam” Parts 1-5.
>
> And nobody claims that the figures in these reports will add up to
> ‘millions,’ Herr Belling.
>
> And, I have on;y posted two reports so far. We’ll get to the rest.
>
> No, as for the number of posts you have been making lately, I can only
> conclude that you have become little more than a troll. You have begun to
> rival Giwer for sheer volume without content. I guess you shot all your
> bullets and are out of ammo now.
On the contrary, as you shall soon see.
>
>
>
>
>>>>
From [email protected] Sat Oct 5 08:54:23 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> rblackmore writes:
>
> >No, you haven’t done that to my satisfaction. However, Ms. Alpert
> >sent me what I requested. you ought to try and act more like a lady,
> >people might respect you more
.
>
> Nothing is ever done to your satisfaction, Herr Belling, and I couldn’t be
> bothered to do so since you have become little more than a troll.
Always an excuse for a disinclination to assist researchers with contrary opinions, Ken.
>
> Perhaps Annie has more patience with you kind. She has been hard at work
> pointing out the idiocy of deniers for quite a while now.
What is your exact defintion of a denier, Ken?
>
>
>
>>>>
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> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >First of all, the Einsatzgruppen commanders DID say that many of their
> >reports and figures were exaggerated. Secondly, German officers
> >and soldiers WERE tortured. Uncomfortable for you to have to admit,
> >but true nonetheless.
>
> Source?
>
>
>
>
>>>>
Green Book, IMT, I believe, but don’t beat me over the head with it if it
doesn’t pan out. I will try and get an exact quote ASAP.
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote
> >
> >
>>>>> First, since this time you have bothered to provide a reference, I will
> need to obtain a copy of the magazine to confirm the veracity of your
> claims.
Where do you want me to send it to you?
Be sure to get back to us after you set them straight.
>
rb
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> there is no
> evidence that the ventilatirs were ever installed in the undressing
> room. Read Pressac’s essay in the _Anatomy_.
I will. Thanks for the reference. However, this doesn’t mean that they
weren’t installed either. We are deadlocked.
>
> >Zyklon is lighter than air.
>
> Get Richard Green or Brian Harmon to explain turbulent diffusion of
> gases to you.
I don’t need elaborate explanations on diffusion, but thank you anyway.
Zyklon is lighter than air. All these elaborate attempts at explaining rather
simple processes do not bode well for your side.
>
> > >Your interpretation.
>
the interpretation of every historian who has studied the
> question
Even if this were true, it does not make their interpretations correct. the actual forensic
evidence will have to be examined in full detail.
I recommend Pierre Vidal-Naquet’s essay in _Assassins of
> Memory_
I have the book. I will try to read it when I get the time. I am reading at least
4 different books right now. However, I am perfectly capable of interpreting
German for myself. I am fluent. I also acknowledge that many “revisionists’
often miss the mark, but so do the non-revisionists. I think that it depends on
the individual.
>
> >>
> >> This isn’t the only place the term ‘special action turned up,
> >> Dr. Kremer also wrote about them in his diary:
> >
> >I have read this. I have the book “Auschwitz in the eyes of the SS”.
>
> Did you notice how Kremer never uses the term in respect of anything
> but killing, never in respect of disinfestations of lice using Zyklon
> B?
Well, where does he mention killing specifically?
>
> [snip] I believe you have your dates wrong. The Typhus epidemic
> >> was in 1942, i believe. Kremer wrote about it in his diary.
> >
> >You believe? Also, you did not state what happened to Jahrling. Do you know?
>
. Van Pelt is somewhat better on crematory planning
> than Pressac in his article also in the _Anatomy_ collection.
I will read this. As to the other info you posted, the Auschwitz death books
indicated that between late 1941-1944 70,000 people died in the camp. Now,
were the facilities for Krema I capable of dealing with this vast number in the
time period allotted? I will try and research the Auschwitz chronicle for the
various times of the epidemics. This has not been explained in depth. However,
as I mentioned before, i am unprepared to discuss the Auschwitz allegations in
depth at this point in time. Your arguments as stated above were interesting,
however.
>
> Apropos of a thread I have now lost: Kammler’s fate is not positively
> known. Reitlinger tentatively lists him in his appendix as killed in
> combat defending Berlin at the end of the war.
well, he is useless as a witness then.
>
>
rb
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>
> > > Perhaps defense counsel didn’t pursue it becasue he knew that he
> was
> > > going to beaten over the head with it.
>
> > You’re guessing…..By the way-water wasn’t “restored”, it was brought in by
> British
> > field trucks from their field units.
>
> No. I’m making a logical deduction from known facts. In this case
> the known facts include the art of cross examination.
>
> The water came from somewhere. Even if it was in trucks.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
OK. Great. But it did not come from the river. it came as part of the regular field
supplies issued to the Brish army. So, Kramer did not get the water from the river, he got
it from the British.
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >First of all, the Einsatzgruppen commanders DID say that many of their
> >reports and figures were exaggerated.
>
> Good point. Now why do you suppose the folks back in Berlin would
> impressed by exaggerated body counts of Jews shot by the
> Einsatzgruppen?
who was talking about the Jews here? I think they merely wanted to impress
their superiors with the “good” job they were doing by fighting against the partisans.
The Nazis wrongly believed that Jews were the motivating force behind communism,
consequently in their eyes, when Jews were caught who were either commissars or
partisans, this confirmed their suspicions.
>
> > Secondly, German officers
> >and soldiers WERE tortured. Uncomfortable for you to have to admit,
> >but true nonetheless.
>
> I am not uncomfortable admitting it. But I am uncomfortable with the
> claim that every single inconvenient confession or testimony was
OK. Then you will also not be uncomnfortable when I say that I never said torture
was used in every single case. Inconveniency has nothing to do with it.
> obtained by torture especially when men who were no longer in danger
> of legal sanctions failed to recant their testimony or to complain
> that they were tortured.
>
> I know, I know. You’ll get around to posting. . . .
I just did, didn’t I? By the way, how fast could you post if you answer dozens of
demands for evidence every day? I am not the Wiesenthal Center, where I can hire
a staff to do my work for me. If that was the case, you people would really be in a
jam. Your unjust and barbed comments do you no credit.
rb
>
> —
>
>
>>>>
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Subject: Reply to Michael P. Stein, re: Is that Gas I smell, etc.
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0400 “Michael P. Stein” <[email protected]> writes:
> What _I_ smell is rotten logic.
Your nose may not be deceiving you here, at least in regard to Topf. I apparently just
convicted myself of the old “assume” saying: “Assume” may have made an ass out of me,
not you. I was under the impression that Topf committed suicide while in the custody of
interrogators. The text in anatomy of the ADC is not very specific about the details.
At any rate, the cirumstances surrounding his
suicide still need to be researched. Perhaps you might be able to assist?
>
. I would think that if Topf was “suicided,” as you insinuate,
>Pruefer would have recieved similar treatment.
Could be. The answer might also lie elsewhere.
>
> Why do you think their fates were so different?
It needs to be researched. I don’t like sticking my foot in my mouth. It leaves an
unpleasant taste afterwards. I wish I knew of a source or sources which discussed these
two men more in depth. I don’t want to step out on a limb any farther than I already have.
I might fall down and go boom..and all the king’s horses and all the king’s men won’t be
able to put Humpty Dumpty back together again……
>
Americans “failed” to understand Topf’s “role”
> Excuse me, but they left Pruefer’s loose lips running around. You
>really don’t see the inconsistency in your position??????
Indeed, there may be a inconsistency here or there may not be. Anatomy states that the
fate of Pruefer is unknown.
>
>
>>5. Next we are told that Wolfgang Topf and Pruefer “apparently”
>>destroyed all contracts with the SS
> Lots of insinuation, no evidence. We do have the letter from Topf
>to
>the SS, talking about cyanide gas detectors for the Kremas. Not their
>normal line of business. Rather strange.
It is strange, but could be explained if delousing was being carried on in the same facility.
Why would the SS apprise Topf company of the fact that they intended to
murder innocent human beings? That is strange as well.
>
How curious that Erdmann
>escaped
>>internment because he was a member of a communist union.
>
> Unjust, maybe, but hardly curious.
I don’t know whether it is unjust or curious or curiously unjust.
>
>
>>Also, the early
>>release dates for the other two captives simply proves that the whole
>>arrest and trial of the other two gentleman was a complete FARCE, and
>was
>>prompted by base political motives.
>
> It does? How, praytell, did you reach that conclusion?
The Soviets were known for their extremely hard line concerning German
“war criminals”. It is quite revealing that this man was released before serving his whole
sentence. In any event, I believe it was unjust for this person to serve ANY time in prison,
as the SS would not have taken him in their confidence…betraying to him Himmler’s little
“secret” to murder millions of human beings, even when it was kept from people like
Gluecks. it doesn’t make sense, Mike. At least not to me.
>
>
>>Notice that the “evil” Braun was released in 1955! No one knows what
>>finally happened to Pruefer…
>
> Why no show trial for Pruefer, then?
This is a good question, but Anatomy states that the fate of Pruefer is unknown.
>
>
>>7. The man Bischoff, as we are told, led a QUIET LIFE UNTIL 1950!
BTW, Rauff seems to
>have
>acknowledged as genuine in his 1972 deposition in Chile).
Why do you say “seems”? Do you have this depostion or know what happened to him?
It is a fact that the Soviets did quite a bit of manufacturing of evidence. I can’t say why
they were being selective. Care to take a trip to Moscow to dig in those archives?
In the next
>breath you tell us that those honest, upstanding Soviets did nothing
>to
>prosecute or help prosecute Bischoff because they had no evidence and
>they
>knew it.
The article doesn’t say whether Bischoff died in the Soviet or the American zone…do you
know? Also, please slow down. Can we discuss Becker and rauff later, please?
>
> Why didn’t they just manufacture some, as we are told they did for
>Demjanjuk?
>
> You _really_ _don’t_ see how you contradict yourself?
First, we need to know where Bischoff died. Also, he died quite early-1950.
>
What, do you suppose they had a show trial victim quota, which
>they used up before they got to Pruefer?
Difficult to say. God and the Soviet Union work in strange ways.
>
> Let me give you what I think is a much more promising line of
>investigation. Find out which side of the border each man lived on,
>and
>who held the evidence.
This is in line with what I wrote above. I agree with this.
>
> If Bischoff lived on the west side of the line, and the file copy
>of
>the memo to Kammler was languishing in the files in Auschwitz, the
>nonprosecution would much more likely be because the people in the
>West
>didn’t even have _access_ to the incriminating document, not that they
>knew about it but secretly knew that it wasn’t really incriminating.
This is all hypothetical, but could be a valid interpretation.
>
>
>>9. The trial in Vienna in January 1972 ended in the release and
>>vindication of both. How interesting…..
Van Pelt had some interesting things to say about the
>trial as well, namely that the prosecution did not know how to read
>the
>plans through their design changes. I’m not sure I’d go so far as to
>say
>”vindication,” unless you think O. J. Simpson has also been
>vindicated….
No, I think Simpson was guilty based on the evidence. forensic evidence, which should
have been utilized to examine the allegations of death by gassing during the war. As far as
the 1972 case, I believe it is stretching things a bit to insinuate that the prosecutor didn’t
know how to read a blueprint. Also, I think one of the central issues involved here is
whether these 2 men knew that designs were being made for lethal gas chambers. The
verdcit was not guilty. The difference between these 2 cases was our ability to watch and
listen in on the Simpson trial everyday, and then see for ourselves the overwhelming
evidence produced by the prosecution. we do not have the benefit of that luxury in the
other trials. I wish we did. It might settle many unresolved questions.
>
>
By the way, what DID happen to
>>Kammler?
>
> At the moment, I don’t know. Which side of the border did
>Bischoff
>live his “quiet life” on?
I have asked this question as well.
>
> Posted/emailed.
>
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >[email protected] (Ken Lewis) wrote:
> >
> >>On 3 Oct 1996 09:57:03 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >>>First prove that these are authentic Reports.
> >
> >>I’ve already done that Herr Belling. Do try to keep up with the newsgroup.
> >
> >>https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/the-einsatzgruppen-reports
> >
> >There is no need to prove this – after all, if Mr. Blackmore
> >wishes to assert that the documents are not authentic, it is
> >then up to him to prove his assertion. He cannot do so, of
> >course, so the discussion has ended.
> >
> >Mr. Blackmore is, if nothing else, a simple troll. If he has a
> >problem with the reports, let him prove they are not
> >authentic. Until he does, forget his personal problem with
> >them – it is meaningless.
> >
>
> Exactly. Some lurkers may wonder why some of us ask for their sources.
> Most lurkers will note that they rarely have them. When these people
> do present them they are rarely of much value or are distortions.
>
> >–
> >Nizkor Canada | https://nizkor.org
> >———————–| Prince Myshkin’s Troll Bait Sold Here
> > |————————————–
> > http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/random-giwer-lie.cgi
>
>
>>>>
I will refer the reader to my many posts both here and at Dejanews. THEY can
decide whether I have met the burden of proof or not.
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Subject: Re: Human tattooed skins and Jars of Stomachs
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
>
:
>
> > Even harder to deal with are testimonies such as that given by
> >> >> Treblinka guard Franz Suchomel in the documentary “Shoah.” Please tell me
> >> >> what torture he was subjected to.
> >> >
> >> >I never claimed he was tortured.
> >> >
> >> Well there’s one exception to your rule. How many more may we find?
> >
> >How many more will I find to contradict you?
> >
> > Right now, I prefer to deal with this case.
> >> >
> >>
> >> This is what case?
> >
> >Hoess.
>
> Lot’s of luck. So far you have failed miserably. Simply my opinion, of
> course. <shrug>
>
>
>
>>>>
You are entitled to your opinion, of course.
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >First of all, the Einsatzgruppen commanders DID say that many of their
> >reports and figures were exaggerated.
>
> Good point. Now why do you suppose the folks back in Berlin would
> impressed by exaggerated body counts of Jews shot by the
> Einsatzgruppen?
who was talking about the Jews here? I think they merely wanted to impress
their superiors with the “good” job they were doing by fighting against the partisans.
The Nazis wrongly believed that Jews were the motivating force behind communism,
consequently in their eyes, when Jews were caught who were either commissars or
partisans, this confirmed their suspicions.
>
> > Secondly, German officers
> >and soldiers WERE tortured. Uncomfortable for you to have to admit,
> >but true nonetheless.
>
> I am not uncomfortable admitting it. But I am uncomfortable with the
> claim that every single inconvenient confession or testimony was
OK. Then you will also not be uncomnfortable when I say that I never said torture
was used in every single case. Inconveniency has nothing to do with it.
> obtained by torture especially when men who were no longer in danger
> of legal sanctions failed to recant their testimony or to complain
> that they were tortured.
>
> I know, I know. You’ll get around to posting. . . .
I just did, didn’t I? By the way, how fast could you post if you answer dozens of
demands for evidence every day? I am not the Wiesenthal Center, where I can hire
a staff to do my work for me. If that was the case, you people would really be in a
jam. Your unjust and barbed comments do you no credit.
rb
>
> —
>
>
>>>>
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >Get thee behind Danny Keren, Satan, and do what you do best…..be sure
> >to gargle afterwards.
> >
>
> Is this another example of your taking the high road, Mr.
> Belling/Blackmore/Whoever?
>
>
>
>>>>
Why don’t you review some of the comments made in your own posts, as well
as Ken Lewis, McFee, and Van Alstine, and then come back here with your holier
than thou attitude.
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> > Do it-you will make this doubting Thomas a believer.
> >>
> >> There is no way to make you at true believer. Frankly, I don’t care if
> >> you are a true believer about anything. Making you such is not why
> >> anyone is here.
> >
> >I knew you would cop out with this lame excuse. Typical.
>
> Excuse? It’s fac’ Jack! You are not very important to the swing of
> things here. Isn’t that terrible to be so unimportant.
>
> >>
> >> Also a concern about the beliefs systems of someone who hides behid
> >> false names is not high on my priorities at present.
> >
> >Atsa nice.
>
> I’m always a straight shooter and almost always right. 🙂
>
> So, it is nice.
>
>
>
>>>>
Keep patting yourself on the back. Some day you will burp.
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> >> > [email protected] writes:
> >> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> >>
> >> > > Then why have you failed to deal with the facts contained therein?
> >>
> >> > I am dealing with the information contained therein, as well as other sources-
> >> > are you?
> >>
> >> Don’t be silly. The book contradicts every one of cherished ideas about
> >> Kramer. You have claimed that his intention was to treat the prisoners humanely. The
> >> information Segev presents makes a very convincing case that Kramer — and the other
> >> commandants of the concentration camps — were indoctrinated and ordered to treat the
> >> prisoners as sub-human.
> >>
> >> Deal with it, sonny boy.
> >>
> >> –YFE
> >>
> >>>>>
> >Correction: Don’t refer me to a secondary source.
>
> Then check the footnotes to the secondary source Mr.
> Belling/Blackmore/Whoever. Don’t just try to wriggle out by ignoring a
> presentation. You have your chance now to catch old Yale off guard by
> looking at his secondary source’s sources. I think you prefer to
> cop-out, however.
>
>
>
>
>>>>
I have already caught him off guard in other posts. This isn’t a life goal of mine-
simply to catch Mr. Edeikin off guard. I am often criticized by you people for
resorting to “secondary sources”–and you are one of the people most guilty
of continuously pointing that out to me. Who has the double standard here,
Mr. Curtis?
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Subject: Re: Holocaust researchism
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> [email protected] (pgroff) writes:
> On 3 Oct 1996 06:37:19 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (pgroff) writes:
> >> On 2 Oct 1996 08:03:13 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
> >> (Moran snipped)
> >> >>Seems like you are now learning the “tricks of the trade”. It is a known
> >> >fact that magicians NEVER want to publicize their little secrets. This is
> >> >one game of 3 card monty that they are bound to lose.
> >> It would seem there rblackmore/belling, that with just one more ID you
> >> could be playing 3 card monte, but as it is now, you are playing tag
> >> team with yourself. I would assume that some how this has added a
> >> great deal of integrity and honesty to your post. “Tricks of the
> >> trade.” Yes it would seem that you quite capable of learning the Carto
> >> Two step.
> >>
> >>>>>
> >Do I know you?
> I doubt that you know me, though your other persona has tried to
> engage me in E-mail discussion, which of course I am not about to do.
> But again, do I know you?? No, I just know how much you like to dance
> the Carto two step
>
>>>>
If I do, it’s to YOUR music.
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: 4 Oct 1996 23:35:37 GMT
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >It is also curious that the Nazis should rush to construct a lethal gas
> >chamber at Dachau in 1944. Seems as though they just couldn’t wait
> >for those allied cameramen to arrive……”I’m ready for my close-up, Mr. DeMille.”
>
> It is rather telling that our great Holocaust researcher, rblackmore,
> fails to recognize that Moran’s account does not match the standard
> narrative history. For instance, no one but Moran has claimed that
> gassing at Auschwitz was stopped four or five months before the camp
> was captured by the Soviets.
>
> It is also rather telling that rblackmore is so keen to show that
> there was no Holocaust that he is prepared to ally himslef with Matt
> Giwer, a witting liar, and Tom Moran, a witless liar.
>
> —
> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
You are reading things into the picture which simply are not there.
When do you think the gassings at Auschwitz stopped, Mr. Morris?
From [email protected] Sat Oct 5 08:54:33 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Priests murdered in Dachau
Date: 5 Oct 1996 01:10:44 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Can we now discuss the priests and nuns murdered in the Soviet Union
> > and in Spain during the civil war?
>
> Oh, LETS discuss the Spanish Civil War, since it was a “practise-session”
> for the Germans and the Italians, who supplied the Spanish fascists with
> much of their money and weaponry.
>
>
> —
> “I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy.”
> Samuel Butler
>
>
>>>>
> Much of the horrors of the Spanich Civil War were just the prelude to the
> horrors of the Nazi war machine.
>
> But, gee… since I’m only a relative of a member of the Abraham Lincoln
> Brigade, I probably don’t know what I’m talking about, right Mr.
> Blackmore/Belling?
>
> Sara
OK…How about this:
>From the Illustrated London News 1936:
Caption to Photograph:
“Left-wing extremists near Madrid giving their clenched fist salute
after burning of convent property: An example of the anti-catholic
feeling which has inspired the burning of many churches and convents throughout
the country.
Caption to another photo showing a burning Catholic church (Similar to the
photos the world has so often seen of burning Synagogues in Germany 2
years later):
“The spires of the Church of San Luis blazing fiercely in the night: A building
siuated in the center of Madrid, close to the Puerta del Sol and the Ministry of
the Interior.”
Quoting further:
“Serious disturbances throughout almost the whole of Spain followed the victory
of the left in the recent elections. At first the riots were mainly caused by left-
wing supporters excitingly clebrating their victory; but later the extremists turned
against the new Prime Minister, Senor Azana, and indulged in an orgy of anti-
Catholic and anti-Fascist outrages……As these photos show, the typical form
of outrage was incendiarism. More than twenty churches were damaged or
destroyed by fire, and conventsm schools, and newspaper buildings have also
suffered. A number of people were killed. ”
End of quotes.
A prelude to “Krystal Nacht, only by the Left?”
Will you boast about your relatives being a part of this?
“I don’t mind inaccuracy, but I can’t stand liars.”
:
From [email protected] Sat Oct 5 08:54:34 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Revisionist Def Comedy Jam – Part 2
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> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>
> That’s nice, but the critical issue here is not Morgen and Goeth, but
> your smear that “NO group of people paraphrase and quote out of context
> more than supporters of the Holocaust.” I showed how “revisionist”
> Michael Hoffman misrepresented his source. Perhaps you would care to
> address _that_ issue?
We have since discussed this via e-mail and I think that it may be fair to say that
both sides have been guilty of paraphrasing etc. I wish it wasn’t so, but thems the
facts.
From [email protected] Sat Oct 5 08:54:35 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Revisionist Def Comedy Jam – Part 7
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> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>
>
> The entire article from which the above was drawn may be found at:
>
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/i/irving.david/dawidowicz/
> dawidowicz-on-irving
>
> Posted/emailed.
> —
> Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
> POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
> Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.
>
>>>>
Yes, this is an oft quoted citation. However, there a few problems with it, as we
have discussed recently by e-mail. If we had access to the
whole communication, and if we were able to trace the destination of the
deportees, and who received them and where, it would help to
clarify the whole matter. As it is, we do not even know what happened
to the man referred to as a relative of Molotov.
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>
But I am still unsure as to how it will PROVE your
> > > claim that the Discovery Channel is knowingly misleading the public.
>
> > Watch the program and listen to what the moderator claims, then get back to
> > me. Any conversation in between is worthless.
>
> Given that your only answer thus far has been to avoid the questions, I
> would agree that conversation with you is worthless. I do hold out hope,
> however, that eventually you will own up to the fact that you are lying
> when you make the ludicrous claim that you have made regarding the
> Discovery Channel.
You know, you would be more convincing if you researched the information I
gave you a dozen times over rather than using name calling all the time.
>
> I don’t know what the moderator will claim, as I have yet to obtain a copy
> of the program,
When you do, then discuss it like a gentleman. It is hardly fair or honorable
for you to be referring to me as a liar when even you admit that you have
not seen the documentary in question.
and you thus far have refused to provide a complete quote,
> in context, even though you claimed to have the program on videotape.
Let me explain the problem with that. While I do indeed have the tape somewhere,
I own about 600 tapes. Unfortunately they are not all labelled. Besides that, they
are stored in various facilities to which I do not have easy access. That is why
I suggest you contact the Discovery Channel. Of course, even if I were to
find the tape tomorrow and supply you with the quote, you would simply react
as you normally do and call me a liar, and then say you will have to view it
for yourself, even though you will give me no address where I can have it sent to
you, as you did today when I referred you to the editors of World War II magazine.
In
> any event, I wonder how it will prove that the Discovery Channel is
> deliberately misleading the public, as you have claimed.
Now here you are misrepresenting again. I sent you an explanation that the choice of
words was rash. So, for you to keep referring to it rather than the subsequent
explanation is rather dishonest. I told you that if it wasn’t deliberate, then it was
surely irresponsible. Now, do you remember that I told you that or not?
In your opinion, am I entitled to make a mistake or not?
>
> > > First, it was not a distortion. You did make the claim:
>
> Deleting the quote won’t make it go away.
>
> You made the following claim:
>
> “Do you admit then, that the program directors of the Discovery Channel
> are deliberately misleading the public?”
>
> Of course, you had absolutely no proof regarding this claim. When
> confronted with the FACT that you made a completely unfounded accusation,
> you said:
>
> “Whether the Discovery Channel did this deliberately or not remains to be
> seen. I have the programs in question on video tape and intend to look for
> the names of the editors responsible for the narration.”
>
> > > This is not a retraction of a clearly false statement made by you
You may call it a retraction if you wish. I cannot prevent you, but the meaning
of my words are clear. I do intend to view the names of those responsible for
this inaccurate reporting when I locate the tape. If you follow through with the
Discovery Channel, perhaps you may come up with the information before I do.
>
> Again, your unattributed deletion demonstrates your dishonesty.
>
> This is what was I had written:
>
> This is not a retraction of a clearly false statement made by you. It is,
> however, an admission that you make claims without the benefit of any
> evidence whatsoever.
I saw the documentary. I heard the false figures with my own ears. You, on the
other hand, admit to not having seen it, and then call me a liar. ?? Very curious
behavior. There is evidence. i didn’t make it up, and I have directed you to
the original source.
Since you have absolutely NO PROOF, you should either
> admit your error and retract the statement,
I will not admit nor retract because it is the truth.
It is not a false statement, but it could have been worded a bit
> > differently, which is why I sent you the additional statement to clarify.
> > THAT statement is valid and I have no reason to change it.
>
> Of course, you had no reason (ie. evidence, proof, rational ground) to
> make it. Your ‘clarification’ merely demonstrates that you aren’t
> interested in truth –
Well, that’s an odd statement to make….
only in making deliberately inflamatory statements
It seems to me that the inflammatory statement consists of accusing
the Germans of murdering 4.5 million people at Auschwitz. what a
strange man you seem to be!
That
> said, it still doesn’;t answer the question as to why you posted as at
> least two people, possibly three. Pulling a h*ber, were you ?
Nope. Did you ever stop to think that more than one person uses this computer?
>
> > Neither did I see you admit YOUR error in attributing something to me falsely.
>
> I do not recall having done such a thing. If I have, then show me the
> article reference in Deja-News, and I will apologize.
It isn’t that important. I don’t hold grudges.
It is about forcing you to move beyond your
> obvious bias and recognize the FACT of the Holocaust
What is your definition of the Holocaust, and I will tell you if I agree with it.
It is about forcing
> you to stop desecrating the memory of more than six million people, who
> died
Not proven to my satisfaction, nor to many other people’s.
for no other reason then that they were the victims in some impotent
> madman’s desire to show the world his flaccid manhood.
I wouldn’t know about his flaccid manhood, nor do I care.
>
> I notice that again, you have dishonestly deleted text. So I’ll repost it
> for you.
No. For the record, I must delete portions of text or else my server will not post
it.
>
> You made the following claim:
>
.
OK. I will answer, but you won’t like it. To the first part of the statement:
There is indeed a wide divergence in the numbers of those allegedly killed
in the camps, especially Auschwitz. Non-revisionists quote Hilberg, Reitlinger,
and others to support the idea that many HISTORIANS did not believe it. This
does not negate the fact that dozens of other sources printed different figures
unashamedly, and some of them should have known better. Do you wish me
to begin quoting some of them for you? i will be pleased to begin posting. In
fact, I have already begun with the Discovery Channel and world war II magazine.
What does this signify? That figures were irresponsibly bandied about for decades.
This is not right, and casts suspicion upon the whole event, IMO. It is also curious that
the numbers are decreasing as time goes by according to various non-revisionist sources
like Pressac.
>
> So, on whose truth is this statement based ? The same truth that declares
> that the Discovery Channel is deliberately misleading the public ?
I said irresponsibly.
The
> same truth that declares that Hoess was tortured and coerced into making
> false statements when there is not a shred of credible evidence to support
> either ludicrous claim ?
He was and there is. you choose to disregard it because it compels you to
examine your faith in your idols. As to the second part of the passage in question:
Why did the Simon
> Wiesenthal Center keep silent on this figure until recently? Could MONEY
> have anything to do with it?”
As you will notice, these are NOT statements of FACT. They are interrogatories.
I am asking a question.
Since you have declined, yet again to answer the question, and instead
> attempted some feeble attempt at a personal attack, I’ll just assume that
> you are admitting that you HAVE NO PROOF, and that YOU ARE A LIAR.
Whatever you think, Mr. Gandhi. Have a nice week end.
>
>>>>
From [email protected] Sat Oct 5 08:54:36 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Joseph Kramer, Watta Guy!
Date: 5 Oct 1996 03:12:57 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> > > Don’t be silly. The book contradicts every one of cherished ideas
> about
> > > Kramer. You have claimed that his intention was to treat the prisoners
> humanely. The
> > > information Segev presents makes a very convincing case that Kramer —
> and the other
> > > commandants of the concentration camps — were indoctrinated and
> ordered to treat the
> > > prisoners as sub-human.
>
> > > Deal with it, sonny boy.
>
> > Correction: Don’t refer me to a secondary source.
>
> Sorry, sonny boy, much of the material in Segev’s book is primary
> source — including the interview with his wife.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Do you mind posting the interview with the wife? Or is it too lengthy?
I have the book, but I have a problem getting to it.
From [email protected] Sat Oct 5 08:54:37 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Julius Streicher – PORNOGRAPHER
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
>
> It’s Friday. C’mon, I have the book, what’s the page number and what
> does this page apply to. You seem to have snipped out the content of
> this message. Did you do this on purpose? Of course you did.
No, I didn’t. Since you have the Von Hassell diaries, look it up in the index.
I was referring to streicher and the general animosity which was felt in party
circles regarding the same. Look under Streicher.
>
>
>
>>>>
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> Of course. When we get a report, signed by Himmler and submitted to Hitler,
> >> as attested in writing by his adjutant, the only thing you clowns have left is
> >> the old, “gee, it’s a forgery”. Pathetic.
> >>
> >> —
> >> Gord McFee
> >> I’ll write no line before its time
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >Fie on you, McFee.
>
> I think he is farting in your general direction, Mr.
> Belling/Blackmore/Whoever.
>
>
>
>
>>>>
I will be sure to fan it your way, you ought to be used to it by now.
From [email protected] Sat Oct 5 08:54:38 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Joseph Kramer, Watta Guy!
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> > [email protected] wrote:
>
> > >Correction: Don’t refer me to a secondary source.
>
> > Then check the footnotes to the secondary source Mr.
> > Belling/Blackmore/Whoever. Don’t just try to wriggle out by ignoring a
> > presentation. You have your chance now to catch old Yale off guard by
> > looking at his secondary source’s sources. I think you prefer to
> > cop-out, however.
>
> rblackmore is just throwing up a smokescreen. The facts in Segev
> includes some rather interesting primary material, including quotes from Kramer’s
> letters from prison and quotes from an interview with Kramer’s wife. That is
> classified as primary source material wherever the reprints can be found.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Found the book and looked through it. It was rather disappointing. The
author communicated extensively with Kramer’s family and even visited
them in Germany, staying over at their home for a full day and night, yet
only quotes a few sentences from the widow. Her comments must not
have fulfilled either his expectations or preconceived notions.
From [email protected] Sat Oct 5 08:54:39 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
>
> > > Good point. Now why do you suppose the folks back in Berlin would
> > > impressed by exaggerated body counts of Jews shot by the
> > > Einsatzgruppen?
> >
> > who was talking about the Jews here?
>
> The Einsatzgruppen. The people back in Berlin>
>
> > > I know, I know. You’ll get around to posting. . . .
>
> > I just did, didn’t I? By the way, how fast could you post if you answer dozens
> of
> > demands for evidence every day? I am not the Wiesenthal Center, where I
> can hire
> > a staff to do my work for me. If that was the case, you people would really be
> in a
> > jam. Your unjust and barbed comments do you no credit.
>
> The idea, jerk-off, is to do your research *before* you make an
> assertion of fact.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Why don’t you follow your own advice then, counselor?
“Your spouses are going to change: their personalities are going to
change in law school. They’ll get more aggressive, more hostile,
more precise, more impatient.”—-Soia Mentschikoff, University of
Chicago, to the wives and husbands of first year law students.
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>
> > > The water came from somewhere. Even if it was in trucks.
>
> > OK. Great. But it did not come from the river.
>
> You can prove this?
>
> I thought not. More excuses without foundation.
>
>
> > it came as part of the regular field
> > supplies issued to the Brish army.
>
> Sure. And the British trucked all their water in from the Thames.
>
> > So, Kramer did not get the water from the river, he got
> > it from the British.
>
>
> Kramer was under arrest. The British supplied the water to the prisoners .
>
> Your string is about played out. The fact is that the testimony is that the
> British used the pumps and hoses found in the camp and obtained potable water
> from the river. All you wiggling and all your squirming cannot change that.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
You’re a riot sometimes. Why don’t you do some reading instead of talking
all the time? How do you think whole armies are supplied with food and water?
It is called logistics, and the British brought up water and food supplies from their
own field kitchens. The water was NOT pumped in from the river until FIVE days
later, after they had scrounged throughout the camp for equipment. For an attorney,
you really are making yourself look ridiculous here. Go get a cup of coffee, wake
up, read the testimony which confirms what I just told you, and then get back to me.
From [email protected] Sat Oct 5 08:54:41 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?
Date: 5 Oct 1996 11:20:35 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
>
> > >> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> > >> Apparently l’il tommy is unaware of the evidence presented at the
> > >> Nuremberg trial. They not only took photographs but made movies as well.
>
> > Mr. Edeiken, I’m interested in these photos, and the movies. How
> > come they are not used, referred to, in the Holocasut sales package? I
> > take it your not referring to anything of Buchenwald or Dachau, but
> > are referring to any taken by the Soviets, as that’s what the subject
> > is about.
>
> In other words, you are ignorant of the evidence presented at the
> Nurmeber trials. There are several good books on the subject. I realize that your
> lips might get tired, but try reading one instead of making up your lies.
>
> Specifically:
>
> Conot, “Justice at Nuremberg”
>
> Taylor, “Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials”
>
>
> > >> If you add “ignorant” you have hit the nail on the head.
>
> > >I thought you people were uncomfortable referring to Nuremberg?
>
> Then you thought wrong. But that surprises no-one.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
This is great. You’re not uncomfortable about referring to Nuremberg?
Why don’t you read my posts on Soviet Def Comedy Jam 1-5, and then
get back to me so we can discuss this “eyewitness” testimony presented by
Papa Stalin and his roughhouse boys?
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>
> > > The testimony was the water was restored with hours of their arrival.
>
> > > Perhaps defense counsel didn’t pursue it becasue he knew that he
> was
> > > going to beaten over the head with it.
>
> > You’re guessing…..By the way-water wasn’t “restored”, it was brought in by
> British
> > field trucks from their field units.
>
> No. I’m reading the testimony. Testimony that a British barrister would
> not touch on cross-examination.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Now read the testimony that confirms what I posted above.
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
Date: 5 Oct 1996 11:10:25 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
>
> Odd that physicians who examined the alleged victims could find no
> medical results of severe torture.
That’s a good one.
>
> The fact is that the alleged victims were medically examined at the time
> of trial and there were no discernable injuries.
Oh? The bruises had faded by then?
>
> The fact is that while he cites the conclusion that there were irregularities
> he does not charge physical coercion.
>
> Somehow I think that when blackmore gets around to posting his
> “evidence” we will read the same old charges and his “reasonable suspicions.”
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Odder that this is in direct conflict with the comments of U.S.
Judge Van Roden, who was in Germany investigating these
brutalities at the time of their occurence.
Let’s try this one on for size. Judge Van Roden:
“All but two of the Germans in 139 cases we investigated had been kicked
in the testicles beyond repair. This was standard operating procedure with
our American investigators.”
Old Proverb: “Three Pennsylvania lawyers are a match for the devil.”
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
Date: 5 Oct 1996 10:23:09 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected]
> (Ken McVay OBC)2 Oct 1996 08:56:07 -0700 writes:
> :>
> :>In article <[email protected]>,
> :>[email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:
> :>
> :>>That, or else it was carted in single-handed by l’il Erniekins Zuendel,
> :>
> :>Was that Erniekins Zuendel, or Eniekins Zuendel? Someone needs
> :>to sell h*berkins a clue, so he can computer the answer….
>
> Hehehe. I doubt that H*uber would get the clue of it bit him in the b*m.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
According to your own opinion, don’t believe everything you read on the Zundel
Site, heh-heh……why don’t you try a little A & D ointment on those b_m bites?
“Some to the fascination of a name surrender judgment hoodwinked.”
–Cowper.
From [email protected] Sat Oct 5 14:19:21 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Question [email protected] / [email protected] won’t answer
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>
> In a recent email, later posted to the Usenet, rblackmore, in its
> incarnation as [email protected] made the following claim about the
> Simon Wiesenthal Center:
>
> “What do you say to the fact that many Jewish publications also quoted
> this 4,000,000 figure for YEARS until the research made primarily by
> revisionist scholars embarrassed the hell out of them. Why did the Simon
> Wiesenthal Center keep silent on this figure until recently? Could MONEY
> have anything to do with it?”
>
> He has yet to answer the following questions, without prevarication:
>
> (1) why he made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding the SWC;
> (2) where is the proof (or any evidence whatsoever) for the following:
> (a) that the SWC promoted the figure of 4 million knowing it was wrong;
> (b) that this was done for money;
> (3) when he can’t provide that proof, he is requested to revist part 1 and
> supply the truth.
>
>>>>
I answered it in a post last night. Refer to it.
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
>
>
> His question is not speculative at all. You have consistently ignored the
> basic fact that the water for the camp had to come from somewhere.
You have consistently ignored the answer which has been given to you at least
10 times.
>
> The only ones deprived of water were the prisoners and that only when
> Kramer was in charge. There was plenty of potable water for the guards.
How many guards were there as opposed to prisoners?
There
> was potable water for the prisoners in the years before Kramer took over.
>
> The relevant facts are that the British were able to supply potable water
> using the equipment on hand. The rest is a red herring.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
You’re an obstinately irrational fellow. The conditions in the camp before 1945
were quite different, as you failed to appreciate. The camp was initially constructed to
accomodate 10,000 people at its maximum, not the 60,000 seriously ill people who were
later crammed in there during the last 2 months of the war, when Kramer was commandant.
This was no fault of his. Perhaps others less blinded by prejudice than you will recognize the problems
facing Kramer, who had this horror dumped in his lap by irresponsible superiors who
themselves were incapable of rectifying the situation they had created and initially
misrepresented to him. Also, before these people were crammed into this camp, conditions
at Belsen were rather tolerable. There was enough food and water to go around for
everyone. Allied bombing of railways only aggravated this situation. Could that have
been their intention? Finally, for the 10th time, the British supplied the camp with water
>from their own field kitchens until they pumped water into the camp from
the river 5 days later.
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
>
> > > > > Perhaps defense counsel didn’t pursue it becasue he knew
> that he
> > > was
> > > > > going to beaten over the head with it.
>
> > > > You’re guessing…..By the way-water wasn’t “restored”, it was brought in
> by
> > > British
> > > > field trucks from their field units.
>
> The testimony was that it was restored using the pumps and equipment
> at the camp. When asked if Kramer could have done the same, the answer was
> that he could have.
>
> > > No. I’m reading the testimony. Testimony that a British barrister would
> > > not touch on cross-examination.
>
> > Now read the testimony that confirms what I posted above.
>
> I read it. You are distorting it. It damns Kramer for the murderer that he
> was. And no barrister in his right mind would have even tried to cross examine on
> it.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
I asked you to read the testimony which I posted which proves that the British
delivered water to the camp from trucks from their field kitchens. The evidence
also shows that water was pumped to the camp from the river 5 days later.
This is subject is now closed, as is your mind.
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?
Date: 5 Oct 1996 20:39:08 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
(snipped)
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Your argument is lame. The trials were unjust and the means of procuring the
evidence was also unjust in many instances. Civilized standards of law and evidence
were suspended because the accused were Germans and a defeated “enemy”.
The accusations were not properly investigated and proven by forensic evidence.
Yale E. wrote:
To date I have not seen an argument — and this includes your posts,
> Carlo Mantagno’s articles from which they were drawn
For the record, I have not read anything Mattogno has written.
The verdict is in. As Moran once stated (and has since backed down)
> what you are doing is attempting to “appeal.” The burden is upon the detractors
> of the trial.
This of course, is ridiculous. Cases are often reopened and reexamined years
after a sentence has been handed down, when new evidence is brought to
light or when a judicial proceeding was conducted in flagrant disregard for the
rights of the accused. A few examples of “appeal”
I do not hear you complaining about are:
1. The Dreyfus Case
2. The Rosenberg Case
3. The Leo Frank Case
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>
:> > > Odd that physicians who examined the alleged victims could find no
> > > medical results of severe torture.
>
> > That’s a good one.
>
> Sure is. It completely refutes your lie
It is a lie in itself..
>
> > > Odder that this is in direct conflict with the comments of U.S.
> > Judge Van Roden,
>
. You really ought to do some
> research at some place other than revisionist web sites.
I do not get my information from revisionist sites. Sorry to disappoint you.
>
>
> > “All but two of the Germans in 139 cases we investigated had been kicked
> > in the testicles beyond repair. This was standard operating procedure with
> > our American investigators.”
>
> That does not appear in the Simpson Report. It is a fabrication.
> Sorry.
This was stated publicly by the Judge himself and I have the source.
>
>
> > Old Proverb: “Three Pennsylvania lawyers are a match for the devil.”
>
> You should note that Van Roden was from Pennsylvania.
I was referring to you, not Roden.
>
>
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]> writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
Mr. Blackmore is, if nothing else, a simple troll. If he has a
> > > >problem with the reports, let him prove they are not
> > > >authentic. Until he does, forget his personal problem with
> > > >them – it is meaningless.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Exactly. Some lurkers may wonder why some of us ask for their sources.
> > > Most lurkers will note that they rarely have them. When these people
> > > do present them they are rarely of much value or are distortions.
Prove that I have done this. I ALWAYS provide a source when I am asked,
and I NEVER misquote. Prove that I have-this is your chance-you are now on center
stage and the spotlight is on you…….
> > >
> > > >-
> I’ve read your posts for quite a while and IMHO you have not met the
> burden of proof.
By whose standards? Yours?
rb
>
> —
>
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>
>
> > > Nothing is ever done to your satisfaction, Herr Belling, and I couldn’t be
> > > bothered to do so since you have become little more than a troll.
>
> > Always an excuse for a disinclination to assist researchers with contrary
> opinions, Ken.
>
> Actually you have showed no ability or interest in research. Your
> “questions” have been little more than puerile quibbles. Examples:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> And to put the cherry on top of the sundae when you made one of your
> blanket assertions and were asked for some evidence,
>
> Stop whining, little boy.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Great. Let’s address this: LOL!
1. When you were presented with the testimony of Nysili you asked for
> his birth certificate.
I still ask it. One of your colleagues suggested that I write to Nysili’s wife.
I am still waiting for the address……Also, who is this mystery man who never
even testified in a court of law, but whom you quote with pride? The
“mystery man” whom Filip Mueller admits he plagiarized from….If you are
going to produce a credible witness, at least prove he exists!
2. When you were told Hilter read “Der Stuermer” you demanded
> certifed copies of the subscription records.
>
I still demand it. You have made a scurrilous accusation. Prove it.
Resorting to hearsay and second hand statements will not suffice.
Do not refer me to some man who claims he “heard” Hitler make a
remark which cannot be substantiated by other witnesses.
3. When you were given a physician’s report, you demanded his raw
> notes.
What I demanded and still demand are the results of the toxicological
tests you claim were conducted upon corpses allegedly gassed at Dachau.
I also demanded the written autopsy reports for the same.
4. When you were given a pathologist’s report on a tissue sample, you
> demanded that the original specimen be produced.
>
Does this mean you have located it?
5. you told us that you had a
> “reasonable suspicion” and that should be sufficient for anyone.
I never used those the words “that should be sufficient for anyone”.
I take it you are referring to the “water” at Belsen? That is a closed
subject as I have said, having already provided you with the evidence
10 times over, Counselor.
“Lawyers are like beavers: they get in the mainstream and dam it up.”-
John Naisbitt.
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > >> [snip]
Please explain how many of the Jewish children listed below were
> commissars or partisans.
They weren’t. They were with the partisans. If they were shot, I don’t approve
any more than I approve of the U.S. cavalry butchering Indian children at Wounded
Knee, or Lt. Calley butchering Vietnamese civilians.
>
> Please explain how how we might wish to excuse murders because the
> murderers had mistaken beliefs about their victims.
Why are you attributing statements to me which I never made? Curious tactic…
>
>
(Snipped the reports. if they are true, I don’t agree or condone it, as I have
already told you
Secondly, German officers
and soldiers WERE tortured. Uncomfortable for you to have to admit,but true nonetheless.
> >>
> >> I am not uncomfortable admitting it. But I am uncomfortable with the
> >> claim that every single inconvenient confession or testimony was
I never claimed that.
>
OK. Then you will also not be uncomnfortable when I say that I never said torture
> >was used in every single case. Inconveniency has nothing to do with it.
>
> Fine. Post your evidence that the defendants in the Einsatzgruppen War
> Crimes Trial were tortured.
I never said that I had evidence that the Einsatzgruppen people were tortured.
I am still researching this. I merely suggested this is a possibility based upon the
HUNDREDS of incidents I have researched.
>
> >> I know, I know. You’ll get around to posting. . . .
You bet.
> >
If you are going to make dozens of unsubstantiated
> claims, expect dozens of requests for substantiation.
I will deal with it in time.. However, I would appreciate it if you would deal with things I write directly
rather than putting words in my mouth.
rb
From [email protected] Sat Oct 5 15:13:39 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: RBLACKMORE LIES AGAIN… Re: Add this one to the “Discovery Channel”
Date: 5 Oct 1996 21:17:16 GMT
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> > > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote
> > > >
> > > >
> > >>>>> First, since this time you have bothered to provide a reference, I will
> > > need to obtain a copy of the magazine to confirm the veracity of your
> > > claims.
> >
> > Where do you want me to send it to you?
> > Be sure to get back to us after you set them straight.
>
> You’re not getting my address. Digitize the article and email it to me.
> Perhaps you could also send me a response to the question as to WHY YOU
> LIED when you claimed that the Discovery Channel knowingly mislead the
> public.
>
>>>>
Do you have a FAX? I will FAX it to you or any other Faxing
agency or number you care to provide.
From [email protected] Sat Oct 5 15:13:40 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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I have before me Nizkor QAR #20. Nizkor states:
“No doubt there were some cases of mistreatment. Some Allied soldiers were so shocked
with what they saw in the camps that they reacted with violence, but this is not a serious
factor in the overall picture. This is a long way from a POLICY of torture inflicted to
extract confessions.”
Note that Nizkor does NOT admit that Germans were tortured in order to extract
confessions. What they say is that there were some cases of “mistreatment”, and add that
the reasons for this mistreatment rested upon the explanation that “some Allied soldiers
were so shocked with what they saw in the camps that they reacted with violence.” They
then add: “This is a long way from a POLICY of torture inflicted to extract confessions.”
Let’s address the above. Apparently Nizkor is referring to incidents such as what
happened at Dachau, when the Americans liberated the camp and lined scores of guards
up against a wall and gunned them down with machine gun fire. What Nizkor does not
tell us is that many of the men they lined up and murdered were not even in the SS! Many
of them were youngsters and elderly men sent into the camp during the last weeks of the
war after most of the original contingent of SS guards fled. Many of these victims died
with crucifixes and rosaries in their hands, their only “crime” consisting in being in the
wrong place at the wrong time through no fault of their own. Note that not even one of
the American murderers was ever court-martialed.
Also, this does NOT explain how thousands of other German soldiers were inhumanly
treated in the hundreds of allied internment camps established by ALL of the allies and
maintained by them for years after the formal end of hostilities. These horrifying
conditions in the camps and the brutal treatment accorded to the inmates have been
formally recorded and exposed for all the world to read in such books as “Other Losses”
and “An Eye for an Eye”. Such treatment was indeed the policy of all the allied
governments. This also does not account for the millions of innocent civilians who
suffered in countless “work” and “extermination” camps set up by the allies after the war
had ended, especially in Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Eastern Europe, where former Nazi
concentration and work camps were utilized as a means to murder innocent German
civilians, men, women, children. The elderly, the infirm, and babes in arms all perished
alike. There are many books which fully detailed the vengeful policies of the allies in
Germany, where countless thousands starved and were decimated by typhus epidemics
while the Americans, British, and French strutted about like armed, arrogant peacocks
lording over a Raj or subject colony, much as in the days of the British, French, Spanish,
and American “age of imperialism”.
Also, by arguing that the Americans only reacted because of the initial shock of seeing the
deplorable conditions in some of the concentration camps, Nizkor’s statement actually
implies that the “mistreatment” abated shortly thereafter, but nothing could be further from
the truth. Some of the accused at the Nuremberg trials were tortured or mistreated, such
as Goering, Fritzsche, Sauckel, Hess, Frank, Streicher, and probably Raeder. Ley
committed suicide in allied custody before he ever made it to trial. All of the defendants
had the appearance of being undernourished. All were subjected to extreme psychological
torments, a fact which hampered their ability in many instances to adequately prepare for
their defense, which hardly mattered anyway, as their sentences were most likely
predetermined anyway.
However, the worst and most unrestrained use of torture was reserved for the “small fry”,
especially in the case of the Malmedy Trials, as well as in countless other proceedings
cynically referred to as “Denazification”, which in effect became a colossal witch hunt
using most of not all of the finer arts of torture once employed during the Spanish
Inquisition. This was indeed a regular part of allied “policy”.
In fact, it seems that not only torture was used, but also every type of artifice, fraud,
chicanery, and intimidation.
Now, if Nizkor feels that I owe them an apology, then I give it freely, but I also believe
they now owe us an explanation.
On Sat, 05 Oct 1996 12:53:42 -0400 [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
>(A copy of this message has also been posted to the following
>newsgroups:
>alt.revisionism)
>
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> How absurd and ignorant it is for Nizkor to claims that confession
>> were never extracted from the Germans by coercion or torture!
>
>Please give a URL to show where Nizkor claims this.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Posted/emailed.
>–
> Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
> [email protected] Co-Webmaster of https://nizkor.org/
> Hate mail will be posted.
>
From [email protected] Sun Oct 6 08:48:14 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Priests murdered in Dachau
Date: 6 Oct 1996 05:32:32 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >”Left-wing extremists near Madrid giving their clenched fist salute
> >after burning of convent property: An example of the anti-catholic
> >feeling which has inspired the burning of many churches and convents throughout
> >the country.
>
> Is this supposed to inspire feelings of horror? The Nazis, learning a
> lesson from Vlad Tsepesh, filled synagogues with people before burning
> them.
>
>>>>
Proof? By the way, there are many worse reports? Would you like for me
to post them? How odd, that the wanton destruction and persecution of
the Christian church doesn’t seem to concern you………
From [email protected] Sun Oct 6 08:48:15 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me
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In reference to the continuing debate regarding Kramer and Belsen,
I offer the following:
“If it had not been for a typhus epidemic and overcrowding, the word
BELSEN might never have entered into our vocabulary of the Holocaust.
Unfortunately, near the end of the war prisoners from every part of Europe
were trucked, marched, or taken by cattle car to escape the advancing
Allies. Thus the camp doubled it’s size in the last six months. (Actually, the
increase was more like six-fold, in terms of occupants) Food became scarce
or nonexistent. Because of the influx of DISEASED evacuees, one of the
WORST TYPHUS PLAGUES in the history of the camps broke out, sweeping
through Belsen in almost demonic fury. Most of the camp population died
either from starvation or typhus-or a combination of both-so quickly that thousands
of bodies piled up all over the area.
Belsen had none of the modern crematorium equipment found in other camps.
Consequently, the mess that greeted the British liberation army was as gruesome
as could be found: and the sights transcribed on film and in photographs became
known throughout the world.”
End of Quote
SOURCE: Hitler’s Death Camps
Konnilyn G. Feig, pg. 370.
As to Kramer:
“There was little evidence of Kramer’s cruelty.” pg. 381.
Now, in fairness, Feig goes on to quote the opinion of the British court
which had to justify their sentencing him to death by remarking that he
“had an almost unbelieveable disregard for the suffering of his prisoners…”
However, this was only their opinion and a justification for their imposition
of the death penalty. Aside from all of this, the material above speaks for
itself and confirms what I have maintained from the beginning-that Kramer
was a scapegoat and a victim of circumstances. Feig was honest enough
to list those circumstances.
From [email protected] Sun Oct 6 08:48:16 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Can we now discuss the priests and nuns murdered in the Soviet Union
> > and in Spain during the civil war?
>
> Since this has nothing to do with the FACT of the Holocaust, in which your
> beady eyed, impotent little hero, Hitler, used his Nazi juggernaut to
> systematically exterminate more than 6 million people, including jews,
> gypsies, political prisoners, and homosexuals, the answer would have to be
> no. Find a relevant newsgroup and talk about it there.
>
>>>>
I am talking about it here. If you don’t want to reply, don’t. Don’t look now,
but your double standard is showing….
From [email protected] Sun Oct 6 08:48:17 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: ‘Show Trials’? No, Just Another ‘Revisionist’ Lie
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>
> >> Well, Belling/Blackmore/Whomever, we first have to overcome your lies
> >> and unsubstantiated wonderings around historical events. To prove that
> >> someone is lying you have to present something that, well, proves they
> >> were lying. Also to meet your criteria you must also prove that they
> >> lies intentionally.
OK. You accused me of lying. Now prove it.
From [email protected] Sun Oct 6 08:48:18 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Just for the fun of it…
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“Do you have any proof that Germans were tortured in order
to extract confessions?”
Due to the cloak of secrecy shrouding the allies use of
torture, subterfuge, and intimidation, it has been
quite difficult to document their record of abuse.
Nevertheless, over the years a number of able historians have
done an admirable job in exposing the facts relating to the
shocking use of torture by the allies. Admittedly,
documentation is often difficult to obtain, due to the fact
that the allied “interrogators” generally covered their
tracks well, yet the persistence of historians and researchers
interested in the truth has begun to pay off. The
information which follows was culled from a variety of sources
which should be easily accessible to parties
interested in further research.
If I were to point to one particular event which to my mind
signalled the allies policy in regard to treatment of the
vanquished, I would designate the meeting of the so-called
“Big Three” at Teheran in 1943. As described by both
Churchill and Elliott Roosevelt in their memoirs, “Stalin rose and
proposed a blood-curdling toast. The strength of
the German army depended, he said, upon fifty thousand
high officers and technicians. His toast was a salute to
shooting them, “as fast as we can, all of them.” Churchill
was horrifed. Quick as a flash, he was on his feet; his
face and neck were red, says Elliott Roosevelt, who was
present. He announced that British conceptions of law and
justice would never tolerate such butchery. Into this breach
stepped President Roosevelt. He had a compromise to
suggest. Instead of executing fifty thousand, perhaps
“we should settle on a smaller number. Shall we say
49,500?” All the Russians at the table roared with laughter.
So did the Americans, who were obliged to show
proper appreciation for their chief’s “humor.” Churchill left the table.”(1)
Undoubtedly, the President’s little grim “joke” was a source
of great amusement for the Soviets, who were still
chuckling over the 14,000 Polish officers they had slain at Katyn.
Later, one of President Roosevelt’s interpreters
said of his emaciated, crippled chief: “He looked sick, he acted
sick, and he talked sick.”(2) Lest anyone think that
the President’s remark was made in jest, consider that less
than one year later he was willing to ratify the notorious
“Morgenthau Plan” , had it not been for the adamant objections
of his Secretary of War, Henry Stimson.
In order to fully appreciate the attitude of the allies in regard
to the treatment meted out to the defeated Germans,
a brief review of events would be in order. To those who might
object that the allies were too “civilized” to employ
third degree methods on captured German officers to extract
damning “confessions”, I believe that certain criteria
should first be investigated , presented, and addressed, namely:
!. How did the allies treat non-combatants? How were Germans
treated who had nothing to do with the waging of
the war? What was the allies policy in regard to women, the
elderly, and in particular, German children?
2. How were German prisoners of war treated? Specifically, members
of the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, etc. against
whom no criminal charges had been preferred?
If the allies treated the defeated Germans with justice and equity, and
can be proven so by documentation and the
actual historical record, then the allegation that German POW’s were
tortured and mistreated falls flat on it’s face.
Let us now examine the record: Germany’s civilian population
received a foretaste of allied policy in 1940, when
British pilots bombed a Berlin schoolhouse, killing a number
of children. The air strikes increased in severity over
the course of the war, culminating in the destruction of
Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin, Nuremberg, Munich, and other
cities at a loss of probably half a million lives. It was a common
occurance for allied pilots to bomb and strafe
columns of refugees and the homeless. For this reason, American
and British pilots earned the infamous sobriquet
“terror-pilots” and were often treated as such when caught by
German civilians. Parachuting pilots were often
killed upon capture by German civilians who had often lost
beloved family members to the attacks of terror-bombers. The
allies made it a point to trace down the civilians responsible for these acts of righteous
retribution and summarily hanged them all, whenever and wherever
they were found.
The allies were particulary sensitive concerning the shooting of 50
allied fliers who had escaped from the Sagan
POW camp in 1944. From the German point of view, many of these
fliers were warned that should they attempt
any more escapes, they would be shot. Aside from that, many of the
escapees were caught in civilian clothes or else in German uniforms,
thus leading the German authorities to conclude that they were spies.
When one reflects on the fact that members of Otto Skorzeny’s
commando group, which infiltrated American lines during the battle
of the Bulge, were also shot upon capture even though they were
wearing German uniforms under the American
gear, then the shooting of the 50 terror fliers loses some of it’s punch.
Nevertheless, German officers were executed for this “crime” while
the allied crime of shooting the German “spies” went unpunished.
The shooting of Americans at Malmedy during the “Battle of the Bulge”
was given the widest publicity, and those German units which participated
in this battle were all brought before the allied inquisition,
notwithstanding the fact that the allies had,, in one
incident shot down 60 members of the Waffen SS in France in cold blood,
and not one of the responsible parties was ever brought to justice.
At Dachau, American soldiers lined German guards up against a wall
and shot them down without mercy. The Americans also allowed crazed
inmates of the camp to take the law into their own hands and
savagely murder other guards who were stationed there. At Dachau, many of
the victims were simply Wehrmacht officers who were left to guard
the camp after the SS personnel absconded.
When the allied armies first entered German territory, did the victorious
champions of “democracy” comport themselves with dignity and honor?
Let the reader be the judge. What follows is just an excerpt from volumes of
documents relating to the rampaging allied troops as they plundered,
raped, and stole from the defenseless German population.
The one crime most often committed by allied forces against German
civilians in all sectors was forcible, violent rape, which is evidenced by
a selection of the following reports. Few of the offenders were ever
punished for this crime against women and children.
According to the publication “The U.S. Army in the Occupation of Germany”:
“Of all the crimes committed by U.S. troops, the best….documented
was rape, and it showed a “spiral increase” in the closing months
of the war. Between July 1942 and October 1945, 904 rape
cases were charged in the European
theatre, 552 of them in Germany. All told, 487 soldiers were tried
for rapes committed in the months of March and April, 1945.(!)..
By no means all the incidents were reported or, of those reported,
brought to trial, and the conviction rate was relatively low.(3)
“Reports of rape and robbery by U.S. troops piled up on the
public safety officer’s desk..” (4)
“……. soldiers of the 350th Field Artillery Battalion beat up the
local jailer when he refused to release prostitutes being held for
veneral disease treatment. Later the whole police in Kuenzelsau
tried to resign after being threatened that they would be killed if
they interfered with the prostitutes.” (5)
“Nearly all incidents involved liquor or women, often both. The
population of vagrant women-which the Army inadverdently increased
after November when it released penicillin for treating veneral diseases in German
women, thereby shortening for some the “turn around time”
from jail or hospital and attracting others who had
been deterred by the fear of infection-was often at the root of soldier
attacks on German officials and police…o one instance an American officer
took an Austrian girl from Linz to Stuttgart, raped her three times, and then
transported her to Ulm, where he turned her over to the military police on a
charge of having improper papers.” (6)
Take note that these are cases which have been confirmed
by the Allied Occupation Authorities. Other reports
may be offered to substantiate the above in greater detail:
“From the east came the Bolshevized Mongolian and Slavic hordes,
repeatedly raping every captured woman and
girl, contaminating them with veneral diseases and impregnating
them with a future race of Russo-German
bastards. In the west the British used colonial troops, the French
Sengalese and Moroccans, the Americans an
excessively high percentage of negroes. Our own method was
not so direct as the Russian: ….we compelled
women to yield their virtue in order to live-to get food to eat, beds
to sleep in, soap to bathe with, roofs to shelter
them.” (7)
The following was related by a catholic priest concerning a
letter which was smuggled out of Breslau, germany,
September 3, 1945:
“In unending succession were girls, women and nuns violated..
..Not merely in secret, in hidden corners, but in the
sight of everybody, even in churches, in the streets and in public
places were nnuns, women and even eight year
old girls attacked again and again. Mothers were violated before
the eyes of their children; girls in the presence of
their brothers; nuns in the sight of pupils, were outraged again
and again to their very death even as corpses.” (8)
Making the world “safe for democracy”, when our Russian allies
“liberated” Danzig they promptly liberated all
the women of their virtue and chastity-by raping all-from small girls
to ladies as much as 83 years of age….Whhen
women of the city pleaded for protection, a Russian officer told them
to seek shelter in the Catholic Cathedral.
After hundreds of women and girls were securely inside, the brave sons
of mother Russia entered and “playing the
organ and ringing the bells, kept up a foul orgy through the night, raping
all the women, some more than 30
times.” (9)
(Footnotes will be posted separately)
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Now that we have demonstrated how German women were
treated by the allies, let us proceed to examine the
treatment of children:
President Roosevelt again assumed the lead in directing
allied policies in regard to the treatment of German
civilians. His policy was reflected in a statement he uttered
regarding the nourishment of the defeated. As Marie
Antoinette once said of the French citizenry, “Let them eat
cake”, Roosevelt’s advice was “They should be fed three
times a day with soup from Army soup kitchens.” (10) As i
turned out, the Germans were denied even this
“luxury”. According to the book “The U.S. Army in the
Occupation of Germany”, published by the Center of
Military History, United States Army,….”military government
did not provide relief for German refugees, at this
stage not even for starving children.” (11). So here we are
confronted with a direct admission from a government
source that starving German children were given no assistence
whatsoever. Consequently we can only assume that
they were left to starve. Often these children were orphaned.
Their fathers were either deceased or else
languishing in a pow camp. The mothers had either been raped
and murdered or else victims of the appalling
allied bombing offensive. If anything, allied policy was consistent.
For instance, during the first few months of
allied occupation in Berlin, typhus raged in the city, killing 65% of
new-born babies. This particular strain of
typhus was labelled by the Berliners as “hunger typhoid.” Indeed,
the death rate for infants rose to 660 per 1,000
in July! It is clear that allied policies and politicians were responsible
for these outrages and crimes against
humanity and against innocent children in particular. The allies
didn’t gas them to death, which would have been
more humane. They simply allowed them to starve to death.
According to Douglas Botting, author of “From the
Ruins of the Reich”, nineteen out of twenty babies died in the
American Sector of Berlin in July 1945. According
to the same source, in the British zone:
“The death rate of the very young and the very old reached
a level not seen since the Thirty Years War nearly three
hundred years before: in August, four thousand people died
each day, compared with one hundred and fifty before
the war…the dead had to be transported by wooden carts or
handstretchers, wrapped in rags or paper, as there were
no coffins….there were still 53,000 orphans living like wild
animals in holes in the ground, some of them one-eyed
or one-legged veterans of seven or so, many so deranged by
the bombing and the Russian attack that they screamed
at the sight of any uniform, even a Salvation army one.”(12)
In view of the indescribable conditions noted above,
the Americans charitably authorized the addition of a piece of
meat or fish “one half the size of an egg”(!) when
available. However, American servicemen were receiving over
4,000 calories a day during this same period. Jews
and Jewish DP’s received the next highest allotment: over
3,000 calories. In the French zone conditions were
even worse, if one can even imagine such a scenario.
All over Germany, children were suffering from ricketts and
little bodies were covered with festering sores and boils, due
to malnutrition, starvation, neglect and abuse. Often
they had no shoes and went for days on end without a meal,
while American soldiers carried out the orders of
American Occupation authorities and dumped thousands of
gallons of milk in the trash, rather than give it to the
starving children. It was this incident more than any other which
aroused the righteous anger and indignation of
General George Patton, which resulted in the feud with
Eisenhower, who relieved him of his post.
In Botting’s book, he quotes the statement of a British
Officer named Christopher Leefe who at the time was
serving with the Green Howards in Berlin. He relates the
story of how a German youngster was apprehended
stealing items from the offiecer’s barracks in order to buy
food. Instead of having compassion on the boy, a Royal
Major beat him repeatedly and unmercifully. The boy was
approximately 10 years old, “thin as a bean pole,
clothes hanging on him like sacks.” The English bully struck
this boy again and again screaming, “YOU
FU**ING LITTLE KRAUT!” What is most disturbing about
this event is that not one person interceded on the
boy’s behalf. What a particularly virulent hatred it is, to allow
something so deplorable to occur without so much
as a protest. Mr. Leefe was later quoted as saying
: “The point is that none of us could have cared a bit for that
little boy. He was probably an orphan, his father dead on
the Eastern Front, his mother rotting under the rubble of
the bombed-out ruins, and here he was-starving and risking
his life climbing up drainpipes in the middle of a
British tank regiment. So what? We didn’t feel any compassion
for him or any of the Germans. They had been
public enemy number one. (!) So now we commandeered their
horses, commandeered their Mercedes,
commandeered their women. I would reckon that 60 or 70
percent of young Englishmen in Germany thought that
way. Most of us were for having a bloody good time and
believed we could get away with anything.” (15)
Aside from the infants who were left to die en masse, the
conditions under which German youngsters were
compelled to subsist were deplorable. If the allies were
unconcerned about the fate of infants, German teen-agers
and pre-adolescents fared no better-and often, their fates were
worse than death. German boys who were inducted
into the home army during the last days of the war received particulary
brutal treatment at the hands of their
captors. I have viewed many photos of such youngsters
after they were taken captives and the condition they were
in was unforgiveable. Thin, pale, their faces bruised and
bloodied, these unfortunate youngsters were often
“escorted” by brutish looking military police twice their size.
The book “Alliierte Kreigsverbrechen und
Verbrechen Gegen die Menschlichkeit” (Allied War Crimes
and Crimes against Humanity), re-published a
photograph emanating from American newspapers entitled
“Hitler Youth Walks the Last Mile.” The photograph
shows a youngster not any more than 13 or 14 years old
being escorted by MP’s to a place of execution. The
crime? “Suspicion” of spying. No trial, no evidence….simply
shot to death for “suspicion” of spying. Why this
youngster had to forfeit his life at the end of the war on such
a flimsy pretext will be a mystery I will never be able
to fathom. Yet I have already presented evidence of the
brutal mistreatment a young boy of 10 suffered at the
hands of the British, simply because he was starving.
These were not isolated occurences. In fact, they were commonplace.
Non-revisionist historians often take the position that such beatings
never occurred, or were the exception rather than the rule, yet the
evidence is overwhelming. And if this was the treatment meted out
to the innocent-and to children in particular-it is only logical to assume that
Nazis accused of heinous crimes were treated far worse.
The policy of the allies is clear. It was their intention to turn the entire
German nation into one huge concentration camp. This policy was
enforced throughout the breadth of the land. Germany’s youth
were left to starve and languish. Thousands of youngsters, homeless
and parentless, formed into “gangs” where they were forced to resort
to crime simply in order to live. Young children of both sexes were
compelled to resort to prostitution in order to buy a tidbit of food. The
allies took no responsibility for the horrors and suffering they
imposed upon another nation, nor have they ever apologized.
In fact, when youngsters confessed to crimes without
any coercion, the Americans seemed quite disapppointed, as
is evidenced by the following remark:
“The amusing thing about these youths and the Nazis we subsequently
questioned was their complete willingness to betray one another once
they were convinced that a friend had tattled, and it required very little
“persuasion” to convince them that they had been betrayed. To the
disappointment of some of our men, it was quite unnecessary to
become physical in the interrogation.” (13) Apparently it never occurred
to the “interrogators” that some people were simply taking the easy
way out, rather than endure torture to confess to false crimes.
(Footnotes will be posted separately)
From [email protected] Sun Oct 6 08:48:19 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Just for the fun of it, Part 2.
Date: 6 Oct 1996 08:20:50 GMT
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Now that we have demonstrated how German women were
treated by the allies, let us proceed to examine the
treatment of children:
President Roosevelt again assumed the lead in directing
allied policies in regard to the treatment of German
civilians. His policy was reflected in a statement he uttered
regarding the nourishment of the defeated. As Marie
Antoinette once said of the French citizenry, “Let them eat
cake”, Roosevelt’s advice was “They should be fed three
times a day with soup from Army soup kitchens.” (10) As i
turned out, the Germans were denied even this
“luxury”. According to the book “The U.S. Army in the
Occupation of Germany”, published by the Center of
Military History, United States Army,….”military government
did not provide relief for German refugees, at this
stage not even for starving children.” (11). So here we are
confronted with a direct admission from a government
source that starving German children were given no assistence
whatsoever. Consequently we can only assume that
they were left to starve. Often these children were orphaned.
Their fathers were either deceased or else
languishing in a pow camp. The mothers had either been raped
and murdered or else victims of the appalling
allied bombing offensive. If anything, allied policy was consistent.
For instance, during the first few months of
allied occupation in Berlin, typhus raged in the city, killing 65% of
new-born babies. This particular strain of
typhus was labelled by the Berliners as “hunger typhoid.” Indeed,
the death rate for infants rose to 660 per 1,000
in July! It is clear that allied policies and politicians were responsible
for these outrages and crimes against
humanity and against innocent children in particular. The allies
didn’t gas them to death, which would have been
more humane. They simply allowed them to starve to death.
According to Douglas Botting, author of “From the
Ruins of the Reich”, nineteen out of twenty babies died in the
American Sector of Berlin in July 1945. According
to the same source, in the British zone:
“The death rate of the very young and the very old reached
a level not seen since the Thirty Years War nearly three
hundred years before: in August, four thousand people died
each day, compared with one hundred and fifty before
the war…the dead had to be transported by wooden carts or
handstretchers, wrapped in rags or paper, as there were
no coffins….there were still 53,000 orphans living like wild
animals in holes in the ground, some of them one-eyed
or one-legged veterans of seven or so, many so deranged by
the bombing and the Russian attack that they screamed
at the sight of any uniform, even a Salvation army one.”(12)
In view of the indescribable conditions noted above,
the Americans charitably authorized the addition of a piece of
meat or fish “one half the size of an egg”(!) when
available. However, American servicemen were receiving over
4,000 calories a day during this same period. Jews
and Jewish DP’s received the next highest allotment: over
3,000 calories. In the French zone conditions were
even worse, if one can even imagine such a scenario.
All over Germany, children were suffering from ricketts and
little bodies were covered with festering sores and boils, due
to malnutrition, starvation, neglect and abuse. Often
they had no shoes and went for days on end without a meal,
while American soldiers carried out the orders of
American Occupation authorities and dumped thousands of
gallons of milk in the trash, rather than give it to the
starving children. It was this incident more than any other which
aroused the righteous anger and indignation of
General George Patton, which resulted in the feud with
Eisenhower, who relieved him of his post.
In Botting’s book, he quotes the statement of a British
Officer named Christopher Leefe who at the time was
serving with the Green Howards in Berlin. He relates the
story of how a German youngster was apprehended
stealing items from the offiecer’s barracks in order to buy
food. Instead of having compassion on the boy, a Royal
Major beat him repeatedly and unmercifully. The boy was
approximately 10 years old, “thin as a bean pole,
clothes hanging on him like sacks.” The English bully struck
this boy again and again screaming, “YOU
FU**ING LITTLE KRAUT!” What is most disturbing about
this event is that not one person interceded on the
boy’s behalf. What a particularly virulent hatred it is, to allow
something so deplorable to occur without so much
as a protest. Mr. Leefe was later quoted as saying
: “The point is that none of us could have cared a bit for that
little boy. He was probably an orphan, his father dead on
the Eastern Front, his mother rotting under the rubble of
the bombed-out ruins, and here he was-starving and risking
his life climbing up drainpipes in the middle of a
British tank regiment. So what? We didn’t feel any compassion
for him or any of the Germans. They had been
public enemy number one. (!) So now we commandeered their
horses, commandeered their Mercedes,
commandeered their women. I would reckon that 60 or 70
percent of young Englishmen in Germany thought that
way. Most of us were for having a bloody good time and
believed we could get away with anything.” (15)
Aside from the infants who were left to die en masse, the
conditions under which German youngsters were
compelled to subsist were deplorable. If the allies were
unconcerned about the fate of infants, German teen-agers
and pre-adolescents fared no better-and often, their fates were
worse than death. German boys who were inducted
into the home army during the last days of the war received particulary
brutal treatment at the hands of their
captors. I have viewed many photos of such youngsters
after they were taken captives and the condition they were
in was unforgiveable. Thin, pale, their faces bruised and
bloodied, these unfortunate youngsters were often
“escorted” by brutish looking military police twice their size.
The book “Alliierte Kreigsverbrechen und
Verbrechen Gegen die Menschlichkeit” (Allied War Crimes
and Crimes against Humanity), re-published a
photograph emanating from American newspapers entitled
“Hitler Youth Walks the Last Mile.” The photograph
shows a youngster not any more than 13 or 14 years old
being escorted by MP’s to a place of execution. The
crime? “Suspicion” of spying. No trial, no evidence….simply
shot to death for “suspicion” of spying. Why this
youngster had to forfeit his life at the end of the war on such
a flimsy pretext will be a mystery I will never be able
to fathom. Yet I have already presented evidence of the
brutal mistreatment a young boy of 10 suffered at the
hands of the British, simply because he was starving.
These were not isolated occurences. In fact, they were commonplace.
Non-revisionist historians often take the position that such beatings
never occurred, or were the exception rather than the rule, yet the
evidence is overwhelming. And if this was the treatment meted out
to the innocent-and to children in particular-it is only logical to assume that
Nazis accused of heinous crimes were treated far worse.
The policy of the allies is clear. It was their intention to turn the entire
German nation into one huge concentration camp. This policy was
enforced throughout the breadth of the land. Germany’s youth
were left to starve and languish. Thousands of youngsters, homeless
and parentless, formed into “gangs” where they were forced to resort
to crime simply in order to live. Young children of both sexes were
compelled to resort to prostitution in order to buy a tidbit of food. The
allies took no responsibility for the horrors and suffering they
imposed upon another nation, nor have they ever apologized.
In fact, when youngsters confessed to crimes without
any coercion, the Americans seemed quite disapppointed, as
is evidenced by the following remark:
“The amusing thing about these youths and the Nazis we subsequently
questioned was their complete willingness to betray one another once
they were convinced that a friend had tattled, and it required very little
“persuasion” to convince them that they had been betrayed. To the
disappointment of some of our men, it was quite unnecessary to
become physical in the interrogation.” (13) Apparently it never occurred
to the “interrogators” that some people were simply taking the easy
way out, rather than endure torture to confess to false crimes.
(Footnotes will be posted separately)
From [email protected] Sun Oct 6 08:48:20 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More WWII Revisionism from our Commie-loving friends
Date: 6 Oct 1996 08:32:53 GMT
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 05 Oct 1996 08:49:33 -0500, Joel Rosenberg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >56,000 German POW’s — out [page 19] of the 5 million captured at the
> >end of the war — may have died in American captivity in the European
> >theater in 1945. This rough estimate of a mortality rate of slightly more
> >than 1 percent would roughly match the mortality of American POW’s
> >in German hands.
>
> Intereesting that the only source of the information on what happened to
> Russian troops is the Soviet Union. Thus the author gives complete
> credence to Soviet sources. This being the same Soviet Union that executed
> those of their own troops who had to be forceably repatriated. And that in
> addition to the execution of all of their officers who had been captured.
>
> It is difficult to imagine a less credible source of information on any
> subject with any form of propaganda value than the Soviet Union. The
> propaganda value of the treatment of POWs should be obvious to even the
> holohuggers.
>
>
> =====
> Read the information holohuggers fear
> http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
> http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
> http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
> http://www.alquds.org.80/www/zionism/zionism.html
>
>
>>>>
And don’t forget to visit the posts “Soviet Def Comedy Jam” parts 1-5, for
non stop hilarious one liners: “Do it again, Daddy! Do it again!”….Take my wife…
PLEASE……..
From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:32:56 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Apology to Nizkor & Jamie M.
Date: 8 Oct 1996 08:37:13 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] writes:
> :>
> :>I have before me Nizkor QAR #20. Nizkor states:
>
> A shame you are unable to read it objectively.
I quoted it verbatim. I don’t need your interpretation.
>
>
> Please post even one scintilla of proof for this incorrect statement. Not a
> single defendant at Nuremberg ever claimed to have been tortured, with the
> exception of Streicher, who even his lawyer thought was deranged. Why do you
> suppose that all these defendants, when they had been convicted and sentenced,
> and therefore, were safe from recrimination, never claimed to have been
> tortured? Not one.
What I posted I posted and it is TRUE. For someone who claims
to be motivated by truth, you sure do get upset when your little
bubbles are busted. Try reading Fritzsche’s book, “The Sword in
the Scales” for a starter. And yes, Frank was also tortured, as well
as Streicher.
>
> Why do you suppose that Fritzsche, Speer, Raeder, Doenitz, von Schirach, von
> Papen, von Neurath, and Funk, all of whom were eventually released or
> acquitted, never once–not one of them–claimed to have been tortured?
Fritzsche most certainly did. Read his book. Raeder was captured by
the Russians and was mistreated. I never claimed that Speer, von Schirach,
von Neurath, or Funk were mistreated. read the names again:
Hess
Goering
Streicher
Frank
Sauckel
(Re: complaints of mistreatment and why they didn’t complain)
> Not a single one did.
> Why do you suppose that is?
Fritzsche did, as he was one who was mistreated and lived to tell about it.
>
> As you know, Ley committed suicide, like many of the other Nazis had done,
>
Your statement is rubbish, without foundation, and you know it.
I said Ley committed suicide. You gave a probable reason. I gave another.
>
> Why _don’t_ you use your real name? You know that I know.
Good for you. My real name will not affect the content of my arguments.
>
> [rest deleted]
From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:32:57 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Apology to Nizkor & Jamie M.
Date: 8 Oct 1996 06:18:40 GMT
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> “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]> writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > I have before me Nizkor QAR #20. Nizkor states:
> >
> >
(snip)
>
> > Now, if Nizkor feels that I owe them an apology, then I give it freely, but I also believe> they now owe us an explanation.
> >
>
> Why does Jamie (since “Nizkor” is not a person—merely a repository of
> information) owe you or anyone an explanation.
He doesn’t.
He (they?) did not
> commit the atrocities.
I never suggested that he did.
He is the webmaster of the database. If you feel
> the need for a detailed histography on post-war atrocities, write it up
> and have it archived to Nizkor
How would I go about having it archived to Nizkor?
–don’t sit and WHINE because Jamie didn’t
> do it FOR you!
I am not whining, nor did Jamie do it FOR me. I researched this subject on my own.
>
>rb
>
>
From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:32:58 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Julius Streicher – PORNOGRAPHER
Date: 8 Oct 1996 11:15:01 GMT
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> [email protected] writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote to
> Gord McFee:
>
> > By the way, someone told me that you are using a pseudonym-is this true?
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHA!
>
> Pot.Kettle.Black, Mr. Blackmore/Belling/whatever.
>
> Sara
>
> —
> “I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy.”
> Samuel Butler
>
>
>>>>
Glad I could make you smile…..Sara….smile….wasn’t
that a song?
From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:32:59 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
Date: 8 Oct 1996 11:02:56 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
>
l. I’m sure there are others here who feel
> the same way. Tsk, tsk. There’s a crowd of people here.
>
> Some only read.
>
>
>
>>>>
Thank God they CAN read, and don’t have to rely on
your distortions and accusations. You have believed
these stories on the Holocaust for so long you have
conditioned your own thought processes to work in the
same manner. Note how you didn’t give even ONE
example of how I misquoted anything or else never
provided documentation when asked. People must
really be wise to your tactics about now.
From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:32:59 PDT 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
Date: 8 Oct 1996 11:04:19 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >
> >1. When you were presented with the testimony of Nysili you asked for
> >> his birth certificate.
> >
> >I still ask it. One of your colleagues suggested that I write to Nysili’s wife.
> >I am still waiting for the address……Also, who is this mystery man who never
> >even testified in a court of law, but whom you quote with pride? The
> >”mystery man” whom Filip Mueller admits he plagiarized from….If you are
> >going to produce a credible witness, at least prove he exists!
>
> He’s dead.
Prove he ever lived. This mystery witness who never gave
testimony before a court.
>
> >
> >2. When you were told Hilter read “Der Stuermer” you demanded
> >> certifed copies of the subscription records.
> >>
> >I still demand it.
>
> Why would Hitler need a subscription?
Do you have the subscription form or not?
>
>
>
>>>>
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
>
>
> No one denies the the Salem trials and other American Puritan
> witch-hunts.
>
> No one denies various massacres of native Americans that were also
> based on hate.
>
> No one denies that Black’s were slaves.
>
> No one denies that John Brown was hung.
>
> No one denies the horrors of the post war world.
>
> No one denies the Russian Revolution.
>
> No one denies the American Revolution.
>
> No one denies the inquisition.
>
> No one seems to be denying the murder of gypsies, Russian POWs,
> homosexuals, the genetically ill, the retarded, and other none Jewish
> victims of the Nazis. What is so telling is the scope of the denial
> that is presented by the distortionists. This seems to zero in on the
> Jewish aspect of the Holocaust. This really topples the credibility of
> the deniers.
>
>
>
>>>>
No one denies that the Jews were persecuted either.
What we are addressing is what form this persection
took and in what numbers.
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> m
> > I beleive it is you who are swept
> >> away with the plethora of data and information that makes up the truth
> >> of history in these two cases.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >Nice try, but it doesn’t fly. Nizkor states that Jewish people and others were
> >gassed at Dachau.
>
> URL? BTW, Nizkor is a group of volunteers and amateur historians. I
> think you need to focus on what you really have to deal with here and
> that isn’t Nizkor, but rather with the works of degreed historians and
> other qualified researchers on the holocaust.
Then Nizkor has an excuse. An irresponsible historian doesn’t.
>
> A source I sent here to this group (probley has been lost since my
> service is having problems) suggests that they were gassed elsewhere
> and gave the figures. The source, a book bought at Dachau, says that
> the “showers” never worked.
>
> There are other claims and understandings concerning the use of the
> chamber built at Dachau.
All these are claims which change over the years. They are
cited, then abandoned, then recited and added to……
>
>
>
>>>>
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> “Annie Alpert, OFB” <[email protected]> writes:
> This speech was given by Stephanie Brumlik in 1990 at a Duke University
> rally:
>
> Revisionism in Review
>
> The ad makes a big deal about the number killed at Auschwitz. What
> was Auschwitz? It was a complex of three camps and Auschwitz II or
> Birkenau was the extermination camp. There were not 4 million
> slaughtered at Auschwitz. That part is true. However, the ad implies
> that at one time it was thought that there were. That part is false.
> The original figure of 4 million represented the estimate of those
> murdered at all the Nazi extermination camps.
That is false. This was the figure that was actually INSCRIBED on the massive monumental
slabs in front of the Auschwitz State Museum for DECADES.. Only a few years ago, the curators of the Auschwitz
state museum had the 4,000,000 figure chiseled out of the stones. The Soviet Union also bandied
the 4 million dead at Auschwitz figure around for years, as did most major newspapers, magazines,
books and publications. According to “Pictorial History of the Jewish People”, by Nathan Ausubel,
(Editor of “A treasury of Jewish Folklore, etc), Crown Publishers, Inc.,1961, (ELEVENTH PRINTING)”
“……in Oswiecim (Auschwitz) and its subsidiary plants, almost 4,000,000 Jewish lives were snuffed
out. The register of the slain in the electirc crematoria of the Oswiecim subsidiary, Birkenau, reads
like a carefully itemized account of a business house. The plant first gassed, then burned 6,000
Jews daily.” Page 261.
So, this book, which may be found in practically every public library, went through 11 printings,
always repeating the same LIE; namely, that “almost 4,000,000” Jews were murdered at Auschwitz.
Not only that, but this book also claims that 6,000 Jews were gassed daily! Finally, the Auschwitz
register which the publication refers to, shows the total number of deaths at Auschwitz to be 70,000,
30,000 of them Jews, according to figures recently released by researchers. Now, what was that
you were saying about 4,000,000 never referring to Auschwitz?
> Next, we read about the Leutcher Report and are told that this is
> the first ever forensic examination of the alleged gas chambers at
> Auschwitz. This is not true. At the end of 1945, the Krakow Institute
> of Judiciary Expertise did a toxicology study of six zinc grids or
> grills which were part of the ventilation system of the gas chambers.
The presence of hydrocyanic compounds in these grids do not prove mass HOMICIDAL
gassings. These grids were commonly found in all the Krema installations which included
autopsy rooms, morgues, and undressing areas, which were frequently disinfected with
Zyklon B as part of the normal routine. This being said, the rest about Leuchter is really irrelevant.
>
> We are also told that the Jews in Germany during World War II were
> thought to be enemies of the state. If this is true then I wish that
> Bradley Smith would explain to us why Jews among others were selected
> for
> sterilization and euthanasia as early as January 1, 1934 – 5 years and 9
> months BEFORE World War II began!
What I would like explained to me is why Jews are alleged to have been selected for
sterilization at Auschwitz in 1942-43 if the intention had been to “exterminate” them in
gas chambers. In fact, the “extermination” was already said to be underway.
Mr. Smith also claims that if there
> were extermination camps, then men such as Roosevelt, Truman, Churchill
> and Eisenhower would have known. If Mr. Smith thinks that they didn’t,
> I would strongly recommend that he read: While Six Million Died by
> Morse, The Abandonment of the Jews by Wyman or The Holocaust Conspiracy
> by Perl.
I would ask why Roosevelt, Churchill, etc. never said anything about this publicly at the
time, along with the Pope.
> So, if what Mr. Smith has stated in his ad is so false, how can he
> say such things? Maybe he is following the concept that: “[The people]
> more easily fall a victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they
> themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were
> too big.” That is a direct quote from Hitler’s Mein Kampf and appears
> in the chapter titled: “Moral Disarmament of an Accuser.”
But Hitler attributed this concept to the Jewish people, not to Mr. Smith.
But, Mr.
> Smith is also counting on his readers to not know what really happened
> or what the “establish Holocaust story” really is to be able to make his
> case. The best weapon against this is education. Do you know about the
> Nazi Einsatzgruppen? They killed about 2 million and never came near a
> gas chamber.
The figure generally attributed to the einsatzgruppen is 900,000. This has not been
actually proven. However, only recently researchers and governent officials dug up
an area in Lituania where it had been maintained for years that thousands of Jews had
been murdered by the Nazis and buried in mass graves. The “graves” were empty….
Do you know that there were only 6 extermination camps and
> that none of them was located on what is now German soil? The
> revisionists are counting on you not to know these things.
This allegation has been known for decades and revisionists never denied that
such allegations were made. In fact, all the so-called “extermination” camps were
conveniently located in areas under the nominal control of the Soviet Union….
It was non-revisionists who maintained for years that there was a lethal gas chamber
at Dachau, which was located in Germany, as well as Neuengamme, also located
in Germany.
(snip irrelevant material)
> There is Robert Faurisson, a Frenchman, who was convicted in 1983
> for violation of France’s “racial defamation” law.
This “racial defamation” law consisted of “denying the Holocaust”, whatever that means!
> There is Wilhelm Staeglich, a retired German judge who calls the
> Holocaust “Zionist atrocity propaganda.”
I would suggest reading Wilhelm Staeglich’s book before reaching an opinion.
And, how about Friedrich
> Berg? He lives in New Jersey and tries to mobilize support against
> teaching the Holocaust in public schools. In a letter to his governor,
> he referred to such curriculum materials as “filth.”
If some of the accusations concerning the “Holocaust” are untrue, would this not also
fall under the catagory of “racial defamation” of Germans?
> There is Ditlieb Felderer of Sweden. Like Faurisson, Felderer has
> been convicted in his native country for disseminating hate material.
> He is known as the source of mailings to leaders of European Jewish
> communities containing locks of hair and pieces of fat with enclosed
> letters asking recipients if they could identify the contents as
> Hungarian Jews gassed in Auschwitz.
I won’t touch that one with a ten foot pole…..or as ten foot swede…..
(Pontificating snipped)
>>>>
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> Can you please learn to format your article so that I don’t get
> an eye
> disorder due to all the zig-zagging from one line to another? Doesn’t
> your
> reader support little things like margins and font sizes? It’s
> hard to
> read lines more than 65 characters in length anyway–that’s why
> professional
> publications use more than one column. You’re not the only
> offender in
> this regard, nor is your “side” exclusively guitly to this
> klutziness,
> but it shouldn’t be hard to correct. Sorry to spend bandwidth
> on a
> purely technical observation, but this stupid formatting is
> driving me batty!
>
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I thought the problem was corrected. I will cut back on the margins.
The page looks fine at this end when I send it, as well as when I
pull it up later. Is this any better, by the way?
rb
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