Blackmore part 2, Bellinger Joseph

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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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> Chuck Ferree writes:
> Chuck Ferree writes:
>
> rbl, obviously ain’t too bright. The canisters which contained Zyklob
> B were heavier than the poison pellets themselves, and the pellets
> were much heavier than the gas emitted by the pellets exposure to air.
> The gas was the killing ingredient, jelly. Now go to your room and
> read that natsie book again.
>
>
> Daniel Keren wrote:
> >
> > [email protected] writes:
> >
> > # Zyklon is lighter than air.
> >
> > No, dummkopf. Zyklon-B is a carrier for the gas,
> > and it’s certainly not lighter than air.
>
> Not only that, the dummkopf forgot to mention what color the gas vapor
> was. Mauve, blue..if so what shade blue? Perrywinkle blue, Goldwater
> blue, Tijuana blue, sky blue? Or what? Sort of mauve, kinda
> pink-mauve. What?
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> >
> > -Danny Keren.
>
>>>>
Don’t worry about the color….it was described by Artur
Breitweiser, Chief of Disinfestation at Auschwitz. By the
way, he was declared Not Guilty at the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trials.
Better start runing before the collapsing Holocaust story falls right
on your head.

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:04 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: THE MANY-FACED ILYA EHRENBURG
Date: 8 Oct 1996 07:22:09 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] (Judith Toth) writes:
>
> >[email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>
> > When it suits your purposes you quote the standards of the
> >revisionists!?
>
> You’re missing the point

You’re missing the point as well. how about adressing the
millions of crimes committed against the German people
by the allies? where are the monuments to those victims?
It seems as though you are only interested in exposing
the alleged crimes of one group (Germans) against another
group (Jews). Suffering is not limited to one group of people,
nor the capability to commit crimes.

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:05 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> It’s true: most of the victims in Belsen camp died from
> starvation and from typhus. Since no one cared enough to
> feed them, or to give them water, or to make any effort
> whatsoever to save them, they died.
>
> This is murder just as shooting or gassing someone is murder;
> it only takes more time and is more painful.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
After the British took over the camp they were faced
with the same problems as Kramer, but have no fear-
the British are here—and funny thing, in spite of food,
water, and medicine and quality care 28,000 more died.

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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> # Zyklon is lighter than air.
>
> No, dummkopf. Zyklon-B is a carrier for the gas,
> and it’s certainly not lighter than air.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Wrong again, Strohkopf.

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:06 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Hans Muench testimony:a sick joke
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>

> Our desperate Nazi-apologists claim that they are the only ones
> who know what happened in the camps, although
>
> A) They were not in them during the war.

Note: Danny Keren claims to be an authority on what happened inside
and outside of the camps, yet he was never in them.
>
> B) There is not one single witness who was in them during the
> war, who supports the Nazi-apologetic version.

Paul Rassinier was.

> They are left with nothing but the claim that everyone who was
> in the camps – Jew, Pole, German, Soviet, Gypsy – is a liar,
> and only they know the truth.

Let’s try ex-commandant of Auschwitz, Richard Baer. After that, let’s
try Artur Breitweiser….etc., etc……and Danny keren is left with nothing
but the sad legacy of being one of the blind led by the blind…….Well,
Danny, that makes 3 strikes and you’re out.

Consequently, Danny is left with the claim that one must believe
whatever Danny says is true, believe ANY accusation without
proof, as long as it receives Danny’s blessed imprimatur.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:07 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> In the course of your career have you ever seen anything
> like this before? — I have been a doctor for 30 years and
> have seen all the horrors of war, but I have never seen
> anything to touch it.
>
> Did there appear to have been any attempt made at all
> to preserve the lives and health of the inmates of that
> camp? — Absolutely none.

Appearances can be deceiving, and were…and the allies
used the sufferings of these unfortunates for propaganda
effect.
>
> < From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:07 PDT 1996 Article: 72596 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: [email protected] Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me Date: 8 Oct 1996 07:59:31 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 23 Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> The following photos are in
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> h
/
>
> Kramer.jpg: Joseph Kramer, who served as commandant of Auschwitz
> II (Birkenau) and later Belsen.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.

And what does this prove Danny? That the sick died from disease
and typhus? It should be noted that when the British were occupying
India during the 20’s and 30’s, MILLIONS died from disease and starvation.
What did the British do to help the people of India? Why didn’t they help
the people of India? Why couldn’t they help the people of India? Ask
Kramer-he was in a similar situation.
>
>
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:08 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> Testimony of Herta Ehlert, a member of the SS unit at Belsen (p. 709):
> ———————————————————————
> The conditions in Belsen were a shame and a disgrace. I consider
> that the people chiefly responsible were Kramer the Kommandant,
> Dr. Horstmann, Untersturmfuehrer Klipp, who was for some time
> Kramer’s second in command, and Haupsturfuehrer Vogler, who
> worked in Kramer’s office and was responsible for food supply.
> I say that Kramer was responsible for the conditions, among
> other reasons, because on one occasion when I complained of the
> increasing death rate to Kramer he replied, “let them die, why
> should you care?”.
>
>
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Herta Ehlert was a petty thief and a liar and it doesn’t matter what
her opinion was. Danny is like a parrot….he keeps quoting the same
tripe over and over and over…..like Hitler’s “Big Lie”…..Gee, Dan,
you’re learning…..By the way, everything Dan keeps posting over and over
has already been addressed in DETAIL…..Check for it in other posts con=
cerning Kramer and Belsen, both on alt.revisionism as well as Deja News.

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:09 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
>
>

> Since we’re talking about Belsen here, his major crime was that
> he did nothing whatsoever to keep the inmates alive. That’s murder
> just like any other murder. When people are locked in a camp,
> and are given no food or water, even though there is plenty,
> it’s murder.
>
>Yep-you are right. The problem here is that there wasn’t any and 80%
of the people had typhus.

rb

>
>>>>

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Subject: Re: THE MANY-FACED ILYA EHRENBURG
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] (Judith Toth) writes:
>
> # You friend dr. Keren IS A first rate skeptical if not downwright
> # DENIER about the atrocities,– rape and bloody murder by the
> # Soviet hordes, — when he asked me for EVIDENCE.
>
> If you people are going to play this game, play it fair.
>
> By “revisionist” standards, you have to supply very strong
> physical and documentary evidence for this claim. For instance,
> they demand to see 6 million corpses of Jews as a proof for the
> Holocaust.
>
> If you don’t have the evidence, then, by “revisionist” standards,
> you’re a liar and hatemonger.
>
> Do you have it? Yes or no?
>
> Or do you reject the “method” of “Holocaust revisionism”?
>
> You can’t have it both ways.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>
>>>>
We are waiting for you to post your evidence for the
Holocaust first. It has been 50 years….when are you
going to post it?

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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] (Mike
> Curtis)Fri, 04 Oct 1996 21:35:04 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>[email protected] wrote:
> :>
> :>>> Of course. When we get a report, signed by Himmler and submitted to Hitler,
> :>>> as attested in writing by his adjutant, the only thing you clowns have left is
> :>>> the old, “gee, it’s a forgery”. Pathetic.
>
> :>>Fie on you, McFee.
> :>
> :>I think he is farting in your general direction, Mr.
> :>Belling/Blackmore/Whoever.
>
> Mr. “Blackmore” and I have been around this one before when he used to post
> under another pseudonym.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
And perhaps I will post under something else as well.

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 22:59:00 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> :>> [email protected] wrote:
> :>>
> :>> >Get thee behind Danny Keren, Satan, and do what you do best…..be sure
> :>> >to gargle afterwards.
> :>> >
> :>>
> :>> Is this another example of your taking the high road, Mr.
> :>> Belling/Blackmore/Whoever?
>
> :>Why don’t you review some of the comments made in your own posts, as well
> :>as Ken Lewis, McFee, and Van Alstine, and then come back here with your holier
> :>than thou attitude.
>
> Why don’t you start posting under your real name? Or do I have to tell
> everyone what it is?
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Why don’t you try answering a few arguments with
facts for a change instead of worrying about my
name-which you think you know but you don’t.
Go ask Ernie….

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:12 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 10:23:09 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> :>> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected]
> :>> (Ken McVay OBC)2 Oct 1996 08:56:07 -0700 writes:
> :>> :>
> :>> :>In article <[email protected]>,
> :>> :>[email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:
> :>> :>
> :>> :>>That, or else it was carted in single-handed by l’il Erniekins Zuendel,
> :>> :>
> :>> :>Was that Erniekins Zuendel, or Eniekins Zuendel? Someone needs
> :>> :>to sell h*berkins a clue, so he can computer the answer….
> :>>
> :>> Hehehe. I doubt that H*uber would get the clue of it bit him in the b*m.
>
> :>According to your own opinion, don’t believe everything you read on the Zundel
> :>Site, heh-heh……why don’t you try a little A & D ointment on those b_m bites?
>
> Trust me, I believe very little I read on the Zuendel site. In fact, I rarely
> look at the Zuendel site, preferring to concentrate on the truth.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Now why don’t you try TELLING the truth?

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 22:35:29 GMT writes:
> :>
>

> :>>
> :>>
> :>>>>>
> :>I will refer the reader to my many posts both here and at Dejanews. THEY can
> :>decide whether I have met the burden of proof or not.
>
> Please read again (or for the first time, as one of your colleagues would say)
> the post above. Your posts have not proved anything–they are simply your
> opinions and speculations.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Which is your opinion and speculation.

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:13 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:

>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
No, it has not been disproved. Disprove it.

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:14 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] writes:
> :>
>
> [deleted]
>
> :>Prove that I have done this. I ALWAYS provide a source when I am asked,
> :>and I NEVER misquote. Prove that I have-this is your chance-you are now on center
> :>stage and the spotlight is on you…….
>
> You did it to me in the last two weeks, and then apologized for having done
> it.
>
> You made all sorts of assertions about Julius Streicher and when pressed for
> sources, had none.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
No. Your general comments do not suffice. Please give explicit
examples. Do not refer to posts that will take me a while to
research and for which you have been advised in advance.

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:15 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:

> : What is the relevance of his birth certificate?

Let’s first prove he existed before we quote from his book. This “witness”
NEVER testified in front of an allied court. No historian from the west
ever met him or conducted an interview with him.
>
> Perhaps you should produce yours, so we know you exist and are not just a
> denier bot.

I haven’t made criminal accusations against people.
>
> :>2. When you were told Hilter read “Der Stuermer” you demanded
> :>> certifed copies of the subscription records.
> :>>
:>Do not refer me to some man who claims he “heard” Hitler make a
> :>remark

> Bullshit. The quote from _Hitler himself_ has been posted here. Don’t you
> even trust your Fuehrer?

My Fuehrer? I have no king but Elvis.
>
> :>3. When you were given a physician’s report, you demanded his raw
> :>> notes.
> :>
> :>What I demanded and still demand are the results of the toxicological
> :>tests you claim were conducted upon corpses allegedly gassed at Dachau.
> :
The reports have been posted. What you demand–in typical denier fashion–is
(snip)>
. You blew
> it in respect of the Nuremberg Trials though.

That’s your opinion. Now, where are the toxicological reports? The originals?
>
> [deleted]
>
> You pretend to be legitimately in search of the truth, yet the _only_ sources
> you quote are denier sources.

What “denier source” have I quoted, Mr. MeFee? Please post it for the
world to see.

Proven wrong,

YOU have not proven me wrong.

you are now beginning to follow
> the typical denier method: start the descent into vulgarity and insult.

I will post some of your comments and the comments of your friends soon
and we will discuss their vulgarity or lack of it.
>
> In your previous incarnation, I thought you to have the potential for
> betterment. I guess I erred.

You have erred in many things.
>
>
>

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:16 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message – 42:05 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>[email protected] writes:
> :>
> :># Zyklon is lighter than air.
> :>
> :>No, dummkopf. Zyklon-B is a carrier for the gas,
> :>and it’s certainly not lighter than air.
>
> Perhaps it is Mr. “Blackmore’s” brain that is lighter than air?
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Perhaps YOUR brain IS air….BTW,.Is the above an example
of your non-recourse to insult and invective-a descent-
as you called it in another post….keep doing it-I can always
use more ammunition…..

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:17 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
> writes:
> :>
> :>[email protected] wrote:
> :>
> :># First of all, the Einsatzgruppen commanders DID say that
> :># many of their reports and figures were exaggerated.
> :>
> :>That’s a true pearl of “Holocaust revisionism”. He’s
> :>telling us that the commanders tried to make it look as if
> :>they killed *more* Jewish women and children than they
> :>really did! Why would they do that? Only, of course, if
> :>killing more Jewish women and children would have made them
> :>look better in the eyes of their superiors.
>
> Next he will claim that Hitler and Himmler tortured them into faking the
> massacres.
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
No, next I will claim that you never provide proof for your claims.
Where are those toxicological reports from Dachau? I’m getting
hungry…where is that crow pie I was supposed to eat when you
produced them?

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message
> [email protected] writes:
> :>
> :>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote to
> :>Gord McFee:
> :>
> :>> By the way, someone told me that you are using a pseudonym-is this true?
> :>
> :>HAHAHAHAHAHA!
> :>
> :>Pot.Kettle.Black, Mr. Blackmore/Belling/whatever.
>
> You know him too Sara. 🙂
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
This is hilarious. You can’t answer my arguments so you
yap about what my name is…..keep up the good work…
a clear admission of impending defeat…..

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:18 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message
> [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
> :>
> :>[email protected] wrote:
> :>
> :>> How absurd and ignorant it is for Nizkor to claims that confession
> :>> were never extracted from the Germans by coercion or torture!
> :>
> :>Please give a URL to show where Nizkor claims this.
>
> You will be waiting until hell freezes over, Jamie.
>
> It might be worthwhile to point out to people who may be new here and who may
> have open minds, that Nizkor does not “claim” things. It does not post here
> (sort of :-)). It is a repository for accurate information on the Holocaust
> and on Holocaust denial and that is why the “revisionist” deniers hate it so
> much. The truth scares and alienates them.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
I am not the least bit afraid. I have posted my reply in
detail, and we don’t need your imprimatur for people
to evaluate what I have written. As usual, you avoid
the subject.

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:19 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected]
> (Richard Schultz) writes:
> :>
> :>[email protected] wrote:
> :>
> :>: First of all, the Einsatzgruppen commanders DID say that many of their
> :>: reports and figures were exaggerated.
> :>
> :>Why would the commanders have exaggerated the numbers in their reports?
> :>And why would they claim the numbers were exaggerated rather than that
> :>the events recounted in the reports never occurred?
> :>
> :>: Secondly, German officers and soldiers WERE tortured.
> :>: Uncomfortable for you to have to admit, but true nonetheless.
> :>
> :>In the case of the Einsatzgruppen reports, torturing the officers would
> :>not have done any good, since the reports were written years before the
> :>trial. And all of the officers had the opportunity to repudiate in
> :>open court any confession they might have made and claim it was made under
> :>torture — and yet none of them did that. Why?
>
> Because, Richard, Mr. “Blackmore” has simply recycled yet more denier rubbish.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
No, I haven’t recycled “denier rubbish”. I don’t refer to “denier” material,
at least not yet. How about THIS though?

Einsatzgruppe A
Location: Krasnogvardeisk

General situation in the present area of General Kommissariat
Byelorussia

During a punitive expedition, the village of Augrina near Rositten
was burned down. The population had given shelterm food, and sup-
port to the partisans. In nearly all the houses that were burned
down, there were explosions caused by hand-grenades and
ammunition. The total population of 250 were taken prisoner.
30 men, the chief participants, were publicly shot in the market square
of Rositten. The remainder were shot as well. The population is
showing complete understanding of these drastic measures. (Pg. 275)

OR

Operational Situation Report USSR No. 155

Einsatzgruppe A
Location: Krasnogvardeisk

All the leading Communist officials, except for one, have
now been arrested and rendered harmless in Estonia.
The total number of Communists who were arrested in Estonia
is about 11,500. Of these, about 1,100 were shot and 5,377
were sent to a concentration camp. 3,785 less important
sympathizers were set free. (Pg. 276)

Taken from : The Einsatzgruppen Reports, Edited by Yitzhak
Arad, Holocaust Library, New York, 1989.

By the way, I never “denied” the activities of the einsatzgruppen.
I merely asked for verification of a document, as I will for ALL
documents.

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 08:32:53 GMT writes:
> :>
>
> :>And don’t forget to visit the posts “Soviet Def Comedy Jam” parts 1-5, for
> :>non stop hilarious one liners: “Do it again, Daddy! Do it again!”….Take my wife…
> :>PLEASE……..
>
> This would of course be the same Mr. “Blackmore” who claimed to be here in a
> search for the truth. Of course, this someone too craven to post under his
> real name isn’t really after the truth, now is he?
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Why don’t you just address the posts? Another admission
of defeat, I suppose.

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 08:17:06 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>”Do you have any proof that Germans were tortured in order
> :> to extract confessions?”
> :>
> :> Due to the cloak of secrecy shrouding the allies use of
> :> torture, subterfuge, and intimidation, it has been
> :>quite difficult to document their record of abuse.
>
> And Mr. “Blackmore” does not break the perfect record here.
>
> [tons and tons of “revisionist denier rubbish that Mr. “Blackmore” stole from
> Jeff Stumpy Roberts deleted. He even used the same incorrect country code in
> the transcription]
>
> :>(Footnotes will be posted separately)
>
> Of course they will. In the vain hope that no one will recognize Stumpy’s
> phoney rubbish, except that it didn’t work. Mr. “Blackmore” is revealing
> himself as a pretty pathetic researcher. We will soon see how he is in the
> invective department, likely preceded by a healthy dose of “la vierge
> offensee”.
>
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Why don’t you just deal with the documents, rather than stumpy
or anyone else. This is one of your main faults and your weakest
points….you NEVER deal with uncomfortable documentation which
shows you to possess double standards. If the material is false, simply
say so and prove WHY.

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>
Before you have any spasms, I forgot to sign my initials on
the previous reply to this post.

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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 4 Oct 1996 22:59:00 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> >Why don’t you review some of the comments made in your own posts, as well
> >as Ken Lewis, McFee, and Van Alstine, and then come back here with your holier
> >than thou attitude.
>
> Now, now, now Jellybelly. I haven’t called you a lying, nazi, scumbag,
> apologist. Yet.
>
>
>
>
>>>>
I couldn’t care less what you call me.

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:23 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> >> > [email protected] writes:
> >>
> >> > > Wrong. The British brought up the trucks and then found that the water
> >> > > which Kramer denied the prisoners was potable.
> >>
> >> > Wrong. Read the testimony.
> >>
> >> I did. The testimony states that they used the pumps and hoses in the
> >> camp and got the water from the river. They also stated that there was no reason
> >> why Kramer could not do the same.
> >>
> >> Against that testimony we have:
> >>
> >> your speculations.
> >>
> >> –YFE
> >>
> >>>>>
> >No. You are obviously referring to a different portion of the testimony,
> >either deliberately or accidentally. Reread it. The water from the river
> >was not pumped into the camp until 4 to 5 days later.
> >
>
> I find it interesting that you never quote the testimony that supports
> your assertions.
>
>
> Mike Curtis E-mail [email protected]
>
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>>>>
I did quote it in a previous post.

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:23 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Julius Streicher – PORNOGRAPHER
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> rb
.
>
> It doesn’t show that you have done a thing. It also appears that you
> are not at all familiar with all the sources concerning Streicher. It
> also shows that your comparisons do nothing to support your denials of
> the Holocaust anyway. Streicher isn’t all that important.
>
> Mike Curtis E-mail [email protected]
>
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Streicher isn’t all that important. I agree. So why was he at Nuremberg?

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:24 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
>
> Let me forestall your next question. To understand what I mean by
> “Holocaust denier,” you first need to understand what I mean by the
> Holocaust. First, “the Holocaust” is an inadequate short form for the
> attempted extermination of European Jewry as a matter of state policy
> by the Nazi government of Germany,

Complete extermination? I disagree. The Jews were deported to labor
camps. There is also evidence that large numbers of German Jews were
deported to Riga. The book :Die Zweite Babylonische Gefangenschaft
presents some interesting and new arguments.

shootings

I agree. But where and in what numbers?

murder by poison gas

Where, in what numbers, and how?

, euthanizing Jews for having the
> “disease” of being Jewish,

When and where and in what numbers?

and deliberate privation and criminal
> neglect in camps and ghettos.

In some cases, yes. But please be specific.
>
> Your shallow, scatter-gun approach to history is entirely an
> effort–and a quite transparent effort–to excuse, explain away, and
> exculpate the architects and agents of the Nazi effort to exterminate
> European Jewry. That makes you a Holocaust denier.

After what I have just posted above, I can hardly be referred to
as a Holocaust “denier”. Also, European Jewry was far from exterminated,
and for that you should rejoice. From all that I have read, and I have read
much, on both sides, I do not believe the 6 million figure, or anywhere
near it.
>
> >When do you think the gassings at Auschwitz stopped, Mr. Morris?
>
> November 1944. About two months before the camp was captured by the
> Soviets.

No. It was alleged to have stopped at the end of October, four months
before the liberation of the camp.
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
> —
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>
>>>>

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:25 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Is that gas I smell-reply to M.Curtis
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On Tue, 08 Oct 1996 02:03:31 GMT [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
>[email protected] wrote:

>From June 14 to 21, Ernst Wolfgang Topf and Pruefer “apparently”
>destroyed all the

The author of the
>article does not put apparently in quotations.
>
Yes, you are correct. I was merely drawing attention to the use
of the word apparently.
Perhaps I should have added in parentheses (Quotation marks mine)
or something similar. I did not mean to convey the impression that
the authors of Anatomy used the word in quotation marks.

You left out that the younger Topf
>withdrew with American troops from an area that was to become a Soviet
>zone

Yes. I didn’t think it was that important. At any rate, anyone may read
the text for themselves at their library, or purchase the book.

>The fate of
>>Pruefer is unknown…….
>
>The author suggests that what happened to Braun possibly happened to
>Prüfer and the other engineers. why leave it out?

I did not get that impression.
>
>>.Unlike the Americans, the Soviets immediately “discerned”
>>Pruefer’s role in the construction of Auschwitz.
>>
>
.The trial of the two
>>architects of the crematoria in Vienna in January 1972 ended with the
>RELEASE OF BOTH.
>
>This is your emphasis and not the authors of the article. Must you be
>so disingenous?

It is clear that the emphasis is mine, should anyone purchase
the book or check it out from their library. Next time I
wish to stress anything, I will clearly state it.
Anyway, I don’t see how it makes that much difference.
I did not leave words out or add any that were not in the text.

Plus architects of the crematoria was in quotes in te
>authors article.

Well, it is no crime to build crematorium, is it? Either way,
they were both declared not guilty of any crime.
>
>This is why the authors put “architechts of the crematoria” in
>quotations just as I have.

Then WHY were they charged?
>
>>(Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp, pg. 240).
>>
>I believe that Mark has covered the rest of your distortions.

With his own distortions, I am sure. I don’t even read them anymore.

By the way, what DID happen to
>Kammler?
>>
>Don’t force me to clear up your source quoting methods again and then
>you are welcome. Raul Hilberg says on page 708 that his death was
>”probably” a suicide in 1945.

Oh. “Probably”. I will add his name to the “list”.
>
>
>
>

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:26 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:

.. I am an individual and do not align myself with any
> >partisan group.
>
> Yes you do.

No, I don’t. It is you who is attempting to classify me.
>
> >>
> These death books did _not_ contain the names or registration of people
> >> gassed upon arrival.
> >
> >Well, then it is up to prove to us that these non-existent people existed and were gassed.
>
> Train passenger records and ticket sales. Try reading some of the
> transport records.

Transports do not equal murder. Many German Jews were deported
to Riga.

> Recordings of this speech exist, as do his handwritten notes.
> >
> >The handwritten notes and the recordings differ.
>
> So?

So………figure it out.
>
> > Franke-Gricksh to Himmler, Kammler, Gobbel’s diary, the Einsatzgruppen
> >> reports, and the like.
> >
> >OK. Where do any of these mention gas chambers?
>
> Bait and switch from evidence of extermination of a particular people
> to the existence of the gas chambers.

All right then, have it your way.

(Sonderkeller). That was
> not the only slip

This is very slim evidence.

. Every document in a 120-item inventory of material
> needed for the completion of Birkenau,
t),” which referred to
> the killing operations.

Where does it mention killing?

> Another leak occurred when Dejaco set out to adapt the crematoria
> to their genocidal function.

I can not believe that this ex air force man had anything to do with
killing Jews, or was privy to a murderous secret. Anyway, he was
later tried and found not guilty.

, whereas victims to be gassed could walk down
> to the morgue that was now destined to serve as the gas camber.

It seems that I have read “survivor testimony” where it is stated that
people were driven to the gas chambers and then slid down a chute
right into the showers. I will hunt for this.

The
> corpse chute no longer served any pupose and had to go.

People could have been undergoing delousing in these areas. That
also would not necessitate the chutes.
>
> (_Anatomy_ pages 223-4)

I have been reading this chapter and I have a lot of problems
with it. There is much which simply doesn’t add up.
>
> >> No. I haven’t the time to go sifting through all of Hoess’s memoirs looking
> >> for a snippet that supports your thesis. If you have the evidence, you
> >> provide it.
> >
> We are all gentlemen, Mr. Belling/Blackmore/Whoever.
>
So you keep saying…….>

>
>>>>

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:27 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >
> >Watch the program and listen to what the moderator claims, then get back to me.
> >Any conversation in between is worthless.
>
> IOW he hasn’t the evidence so can’t produce it.
>
>
> Mike Curtis E-mail [email protected]
>
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Already gave the name of the program and the quote.
The rest is up to you/him/her/whatever….

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:28 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] (John Morris) wrote:
>
> >>I just did, didn’t I? By the way, how fast could you post if you answer dozens of
> >>demands for evidence every day? I am not the Wiesenthal Center, where I can hire
> >>a staff to do my work for me. If that was the case, you people would really be in a
> >>jam. Your unjust and barbed comments do you no credit.
> >
> >Oh, please. You’re going to make me cry.
> >
> >Nobody is forcing you to stretch yourself so thin across so many
> >topics and threads. If you are going to make dozens of unsubstantiated
> >claims, expect dozens of requests for substantiation.
> >
>
> Exactly, John. Belling/Blackmore/Whoever just has his eggs in too
> many baskets, Plus he has 600 videos and failed to label them! What
> character trait does this suggest about our Belling/Blackmore/Whoever?
>
>
> Mike Curtis E-mail [email protected]
>
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I may have failed to label a video, but I think you have pretty well
labelled yourself.

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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:

.. I am an individual and do not align myself with any
> >partisan group.
>
> Yes you do.

No, I don’t. It is you who is attempting to classify me.
>
> >>
> These death books did _not_ contain the names or registration of people
> >> gassed upon arrival.
> >
> >Well, then it is up to prove to us that these non-existent people existed and were gassed.
>
> Train passenger records and ticket sales. Try reading some of the
> transport records.

Transports do not equal murder. Many German Jews were deported
to Riga.

> Recordings of this speech exist, as do his handwritten notes.
> >
> >The handwritten notes and the recordings differ.
>
> So?

So………figure it out.
>
> > Franke-Gricksh to Himmler, Kammler, Gobbel’s diary, the Einsatzgruppen
> >> reports, and the like.
> >
> >OK. Where do any of these mention gas chambers?
>
> Bait and switch from evidence of extermination of a particular people
> to the existence of the gas chambers.

All right then, have it your way.

(Sonderkeller). That was
> not the only slip

This is very slim evidence.

. Every document in a 120-item inventory of material
> needed for the completion of Birkenau,
t),” which referred to
> the killing operations.

Where does it mention killing?

> Another leak occurred when Dejaco set out to adapt the crematoria
> to their genocidal function.

I can not believe that this ex air force man had anything to do with
killing Jews, or was privy to a murderous secret. Anyway, he was
later tried and found not guilty.

, whereas victims to be gassed could walk down
> to the morgue that was now destined to serve as the gas camber.

It seems that I have read “survivor testimony” where it is stated that
people were driven to the gas chambers and then slid down a chute
right into the showers. I will hunt for this.

The
> corpse chute no longer served any pupose and had to go.

People could have been undergoing delousing in these areas. That
also would not necessitate the chutes.
>
> (_Anatomy_ pages 223-4)

I have been reading this chapter and I have a lot of problems
with it. There is much which simply doesn’t add up.
>
> >> No. I haven’t the time to go sifting through all of Hoess’s memoirs looking
> >> for a snippet that supports your thesis. If you have the evidence, you
> >> provide it.
> >
> We are all gentlemen, Mr. Belling/Blackmore/Whoever.
>
So you keep saying…….>

>
>>>>

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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> > > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
> > >
> > > > > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> > > > > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > First, since this time you have bothered to provide a reference, I will
> > > > > need to obtain a copy of the magazine to confirm the veracity of your
> > > > > claims.
> > > >
> > > > Where do you want me to send it to you?
> > > > Be sure to get back to us after you set them straight.
> > >
> > > You’re not getting my address. Digitize the article and email it to me.
> > > Perhaps you could also send me a response to the question as to WHY YOU
> > > LIED when you claimed that the Discovery Channel knowingly mislead the
> > > public.
>
> > Do you have a FAX? I will FAX it to you or any other Faxing
> > agency or number you care to provide.
>
> No, I do not have a fax, nor am I going to foot the bill for a long
> distance fax. I told you how to send me a copy of the article. Digitize
> it. E-mail it to me.
>
>>>>
No. Can’t go to all the trouble. Contact the publishers.

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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] (Richard Schultz) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> : First of all, the Einsatzgruppen commanders DID say that many of their
> : reports and figures were exaggerated.
>
> Why would the commanders have exaggerated the numbers in their reports?
> And why would they claim the numbers were exaggerated rather than that
> the events recounted in the reports never occurred?
>
> : Secondly, German officers and soldiers WERE tortured.
> : Uncomfortable for you to have to admit, but true nonetheless.
>
> In the case of the Einsatzgruppen reports, torturing the officers would
> not have done any good, since the reports were written years before the
> trial. And all of the officers had the opportunity to repudiate in
> open court any confession they might have made and claim it was made under
> torture — and yet none of them did that. Why?
>
> —–
> Richard Schultz [email protected]
> Department of Chemistry tel: 972-3-531-8065
> Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
> —–
> The real trouble with the Jews is that they are cruel. Anybody with a
> knowledge of history knows how they tortured poor debtors in secret
> catacombs, all through the Middle Ages. Whereas the Nordic is distinguished
> by his gentleness and his kind-heartedness to friends, children, dogs,
> and people of inferior races.
> B. Windrip, _Zero Hour_
>
>>>>
Are you implying that I am referring to the Jews
as cruel……stop picking on me!!!!

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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> >> > [email protected] writes:
> >>
> >> > > Wrong. The British brought up the trucks and then found that the water
> >> > > which Kramer denied the prisoners was potable.
> >>
> >> > Wrong. Read the testimony.
> >>
> >> I did. The testimony states that they used the pumps and hoses in the
> >> camp and got the water from the river. They also stated that there was no reason
> >> why Kramer could not do the same.
> >>
> >> Against that testimony we have:
> >>
> >> your speculations.
> >>
> >> –YFE
> >>
> >>>>>
> >No. You are obviously referring to a different portion of the testimony,
> >either deliberately or accidentally. Reread it. The water from the river
> >was not pumped into the camp until 4 to 5 days later.
> >
>
> For the beneifit of those of us who do not have the testimony, post
> the damn portion of it that concerns your point, for goodness sake!
>
>
>
>>>>
I did. Look for it in one of my responses to
Brian Harmon.

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:32 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>

>
> Come back when you have some evidence.
>
> –YFE
>
I can say the same to you.
rb
>>>>

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:33 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>
.
>
> –YFE
>
> –YFE
>
>
>>>>
By the way, it still has not been proven that they
were drinking untreated water from the river 5
days later….

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:34 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
>
> > . You really ought to do some
> > > research at some place other than revisionist web sites.
>
> > I do not get my information from revisionist sites. Sorry to disappoint you.
>
> Nor apparently did you do it by reading the Simpson Report.
>
>
> > > > “All but two of the Germans in 139 cases we investigated had been
> kicked
> > > > in the testicles beyond repair. This was standard operating procedure
> with
> > > > our American investigators.”
>
> > > That does not appear in the Simpson Report. It is a fabrication.
> > > Sorry.
>
> > This was stated publicly by the Judge himself and I have the source.
>
> Odd that you do not post it. Please cite the page in the Simpson
> report or to any testimony made under oath in which he made such a statement.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
It is already posted.

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>

>
> blackmore continues to make an idiot of himself.

That’s a good one. I ask for evidence and for proof that this Nysili
ever existed and he just ignores it. Who is the idiot?
>
> >
> > 2. When you were told Hilter read “Der Stuermer” you demanded
> > > certifed copies of the subscription records.
>
> Do not refer me to some man who claims he “heard” Hitler make a
> > remark

>
no such
> testimony has been posted.

Do some reading for a change. It was posted a long
time ago.
>
> 3. When you were given a physician’s report, you demanded his raw
> > > notes.
>
> > What I demanded and still demand are the results of the toxicological
> > tests you claim were conducted upon corpses allegedly gassed at Dachau.
> > I also demanded the written autopsy reports for the same.
>
> blackmore resorts to lying.
A silly demand: Yale Edeiken says that autopsy reports
were conducted on people who were allegedly gassed
at Dachau. Yale also says that toxicological tests were
undertaken. Yale offered to produce these reports. I asked
for them. Yale never produced them. Yale now calls me an
idiot.
>
blackmore admits that he does not accept a pathologist report.
> > 5. you told us that you had a
> > > “reasonable suspicion” and that should be sufficient for anyone.

I don’t accept his word for anything, less do I accept your word, seeing
that you stated these reports were undertaken and then refused to post
them. Why don’t you just say that you have seen unicorns and you will
produce them as well?
>
> > I never used those the words “that should be sufficient for anyone”.
>
blackmore lies again.

The one who lies is the one who cannot produce the
reports he promised.

The reference was, of course, to his
> unsupported allegation that the Hoess confession was extracted by torture.

This has been proven time and time again, but not for
Yale Edeiken and R. Gandhi. Perhaps they ought to
double date and discuss strategies.

> Please note the dishonest editing of my post.

Yale, when did you start having these comprehension problems?
>
> “Lawyers are like beavers: they get in the mainstream and dam it up.”-
> > John Naisbitt.

Note: Yale calls himslf a lyer, I mean lawyer.
> >
> >>>>
>
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:35 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it…
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > “Do you have any proof that Germans were tortured in order
> > to extract confessions?”
>
> The answer, despite 204 lines of hate propaganda against the allies is:
>
> No, he doesn’t.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
You ARE a fool after all. Don’t forget about your “hate
propaganda ” against germans. It is people like you who
shall make revisionism an overwhelming success. Keep up the
good work.

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:36 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >This is great. You’re not uncomfortable about referring to Nuremberg?
> >Why don’t you read my posts on Soviet Def Comedy Jam 1-5, and then
> >get back to me so we can discuss this “eyewitness” testimony presented by
> >Papa Stalin and his roughhouse boys?
>
> Let’s deal with the facts of the Holocaust and not you anticommunism
> or soviet hatreds. Let’s deal with the important issues that people
> use to establish the facts behind the Holocaust.
>
>
>
> Mike Curtis E-mail [email protected]
>
> Over 365 Megs of data: https://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
> Europe: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
> Nizkor Web: https://www.nizkor.org/ (Under construction – permanently!)
>
>>>>
I haven’t referred to myself as either an anti-communist or
a soviet hater. Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, don’t burn
your bum over the candlestick

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:36 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> No. I’m reading the testimony. Testimony that a British barrister would
> >> not touch on cross-examination.
> >>
> >> –YFE
> >>
> >>>>>
> >Now read the testimony that confirms what I posted above.
>
> Don’t be obtuse, tell him where (exactly) you are reading and what
> testimony you are talking about. Provide a proper citation rather than
> this continuing assault on our intelligence. I beginning to suspect
> that this testimony of _yours_ is a figment of _your_ imagination.
>
>
> Mike Curtis E-mail [email protected]
>
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>
>>>>
Why don’t you just do what you always advise me to do….
read it for yourself?

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:37 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >Odder that this is in direct conflict with the comments of U.S.
> >Judge Van Roden, who was in Germany investigating these
> >brutalities at the time of their occurence.
> >
> >Let’s try this one on for size. Judge Van Roden:
> >
> >”All but two of the Germans in 139 cases we investigated had been kicked
> >in the testicles beyond repair. This was standard operating procedure with
> >our American investigators.”
> >
>
> You have this massive problem of refusing to properly cite your
> quotations. You actually have the audacity to claim historical
> training. Pretty sad and pretty disingenuous.
>
>
> Mike Curtis E-mail [email protected]
>
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>
>>>>
Here it is. All you need do is ASK POLITELY.

The Statements of Judge van Roden were quoted
from:

The High Cost of Vengeance, by Freda Utley,
HENRY REGNERY CO., 1949, Chicago
Illinois. They concerned public comments
made by the Judge before the Chester Pike Rotary
Club on December 14, 1948.

Be sure to remember this the next time you accuse
me of never providing sources.

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:38 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>
>
> I seem to be having problems with my other service. Let me know if
> anyone reading this group sees a lengthy reply that discusses
> Belling/Blackmore/Whoever’s methods of quoting material from a book
> and also discusses the material he left out of his quotes.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>>>>
Have fun.

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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Your string is about played out. The fact is that the testimony is that the
> >> British used the pumps and hoses found in the camp and obtained potable water
> >> from the river. All you wiggling and all your squirming cannot change that.
> >>
> >> –YFE
> >>
> >>>>>
> >You’re a riot sometimes. Why don’t you do some reading instead of talking
> >all the time? How do you think whole armies are supplied with food and water?
>
> Nonsequitor.
>
> >It is called logistics, and the British brought up water and food supplies from their
> >own field kitchens.
>
> Proper historical citation, please?
>
> > The water was NOT pumped in from the river until FIVE days
> >later, after they had scrounged throughout the camp for equipment. For an attorney,
> >you really are making yourself look ridiculous here. Go get a cup of coffee, wake
> >up, read the testimony which confirms what I just told you, and then get back to me.
>
> Provide the proper citation for us all. The absence of this particular
> citation and your refusal to do so is becoming telling.
>
>
> Mike Curtis E-mail [email protected]
>
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>
>>>>
It was already provided in an earlier post, probably
addressed to Brian harmon.

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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> >> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >>
> >> Ah, but there’s the rub. Mr. Belling/Blackmore/Whoever is showing more
> >> and more his unfamiliarity with the history of the Holocaust. He wants
> >> to deny and I guess it becomes easier to deny if one is ignorant of
> >> the history. This ignorance Mr. Belling/Blackmore/Whoever has shown
> >> this group over and over again. I think it would be wise for Mr.
> >> Belling/Blackmore/Whoever to catch up on his history before he
> >> proceeds further.
> >>
> >>>>>
> >One step at a time…..one step at a time…….
>
> This is what I’m suggesting that you do.
>
>
>
>
>>>>
Well, it is harder when I have to back-track
in your footsteps all the time.

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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> >> > [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> >> > [email protected] wrote:

> >>
> >>>>>
> >Found the book and looked through it. It was rather disappointing. The
> >author communicated extensively with Kramer’s family and even visited
> >them in Germany, staying over at their home for a full day and night, yet
> >only quotes a few sentences from the widow. Her comments must not
> >have fulfilled either his expectations or preconceived notions.
>
> Your preconcieved notions must not have been satisfied. The above
> assessment, btw, is from a guy with several names who is trying to
> make himself out to be some authority. It appears that Mr. Edeiken has
> accurately described the book. I’m sure that the author did much more
> than speak with Kramer’s wife.
>
>
>
>
>>>>
Why don’t you read what I wrote, read the book, and
then see if I distorted it? Jack be quick again. The blind
leading the blind.

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:41 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Revisionist Def Comedy Jam – Part 2
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
> >> In article <[email protected]>, wrote:
> >> >> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
> >>
> >
> >> That’s nice, but the critical issue here is not Morgen and Goeth, but
> >> your smear that “NO group of people paraphrase and quote out of context
> >> more than supporters of the Holocaust.” I showed how “revisionist”
> >> Michael Hoffman misrepresented his source. Perhaps you would care to
> >> address _that_ issue?
> >
> >We have since discussed this via e-mail and I think that it may be fair to say that
> >both sides have been guilty of paraphrasing etc. I wish it wasn’t so, but thems the
> >facts.
>
> Email ias email, Belling/Blackmore/whoever and such discussions
> alluded to here mean nothing other than the fact that folks should not
> deal with you via email.
>
>
>
>>>>
Why do you then?

From [email protected] Tue Oct 8 08:33:42 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Nazi Persecution and Murder of Polish Priests
Date: 8 Oct 1996 11:39:28 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> >
> > >Extract from charge number 17 made by the Polish government against
> > >the defendants indicted before the International Military Tribunal
> > >[Trial of Major War Criminals, Vol. XXXII, p. 134-135]
> > >—————————————————————
> >
> > I would bet there is very little else behind this “extract” as to
> > what the Poles submitted in support of the ‘evidence’ introduced at
> > Nuremberg.
> >
> >>>>
> Since you are unaware of the evidence that was produced at
> Nuremberg, your assertion is nonsense.
>
> Par for the course with you.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
What “evidence”? That’s a joke if I ever heard one.

Question: How do you know that God, who created
the world out of chaos and darkness, is a lawyer?

Answer: Because he made chaos and darkness first.

From [email protected] Wed Oct 9 08:06:36 PDT 1996
Article: 72841 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
Date: 9 Oct 1996 13:00:42 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
>
As usual, you avoid
> :>the subject.
>
> As usual, you show the truth of my post with your evasions and snotty insults.
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
What is your idea of an insult? How about this?
“Nazi boy”? “Jellybelly”? “Schwarzesel” etc., etc. Until you decide to
abide by honorable rules of conduct in a debate,
I shall refrain from answering any of your posts,
as I have refrained from answering those of your
pal, Van Alstine. When you are ready to resume
discussion under proper conditions, e-mail me.

From [email protected] Wed Oct 9 08:06:38 PDT 1996
Article: 72848 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: ‘Show Trials’? No, Just Another ‘Revisionist’ Lie
Date: 9 Oct 1996 10:58:09 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> >> Well, Belling/Blackmore/Whomever, we first have to overcome your lies
> >> >> and unsubstantiated wonderings around historical events. To prove that
> >> >> someone is lying you have to present something that, well, proves they
> >> >> were lying. Also to meet your criteria you must also prove that they
> >> >> lies intentionally.
> >
> >OK. You accused me of lying. Now prove it.
> >
>
> I’ve done this elsewhere on this newsgroup.
>
> Plus if my service gets fixed there ought to be several clarifications
> of your distortions.
>
>
>
> Mike Curtis E-mail [email protected]
>
> Over 365 Megs of data: https://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
> Europe: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
> Nizkor Web: https://www.nizkor.org/ (Under construction – permanently!)
>
>>>>
It won’t go unnoticed that you avoided
answering the challenge.

From [email protected] Wed Oct 9 08:06:39 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: “Der Stuermer”-Hitler’s Favorite Mag?
Date: 9 Oct 1996 10:56:36 GMT
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> [email protected] (Bodhisattva) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > [email protected] (Bodhisattva) writes:
> > > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
> > >
> > > > Your argument is a non-sequitor.
> > > > By the way, NO group of people paraphrase and quote out of context more
> > > than supporters
> > > > of the Holocaust.
> > >
> > > All this from someone who has never read Spinoza (or anything else that is
> > > not John Grisham)
> > >
> > >>>>
> > Who is John Grisham? I have read Spinoza, as well as Marx, Nietzsche,
> Hegel, Kant,
> > Schopenhauer, Spencer, Darwin, Bertrand Russell, John Stuart Mill, Henry
> Thoreau,
> > Voltaire, etc. among others. Now, what is your point?
>
> Sure you have, pal. Sure you have.

One person I haven’t read is John Grisham.
Better luck next time.
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Wed Oct 9 08:06:39 PDT 1996
Article: 72851 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Dr. Hans W. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] writes:
> :>
> :>>
> :>> Why don’t you start posting under your real name? Or do I have to tell
> :>> everyone what it is?
>
> :>Why don’t you try answering a few arguments with
> :>facts for a change instead of worrying about my
> :>name-which you think you know but you don’t.
> :>Go ask Ernie….
>
> Oh, I know your name. And you know that I know your name. Do I have your
> permission to post it? If you are so sure I am wrong, you won’t say no

So what if you know my name…..Do you think
that entitles you to a cigar?
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Wed Oct 9 08:06:40 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
Date: 9 Oct 1996 11:34:27 GMT
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> Alexander Baron ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : Don’t be a fucking arsehole, there were literally hundreds of them. There have
> : even been many confessions this century. How many people confessed to the murder
> : of the Lindburgh baby? Two hundred, that’s how many. People confess falsely
> : to crimes everyday without torture, without even prompting. Christ, there are
> : hundreds of people, more, in the United States alone who claim to have been
> : kidnapped by UFOs. Don’t be so stupid.
>
> Yep. False confession is a well known phenomenon, and the people who
> engage in it have a psychological disorder. Are you suggesting that
> ALL the nazi leaders who survived the war, by an amazing coincidence,
> were afflicted with this disorder?
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
What he is suggesting is that the people who
use “eyewitness” affadavits to convict innocent
people ought to have their heads examined.

From [email protected] Wed Oct 9 08:06:41 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Apology to Nizkor & Jamie M.
Date: 9 Oct 1996 11:09:34 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>

>

> This is not how I read it.

Now that we have read how you read
it, let’s just let other people read it for
themselves…..

It says that there was hardly a policy to
> torture prisoners to extract confessions.

It says what it says clearly.

This means to most able
> thinking people that there were occasions of “torture” and these have
> gone undenied by historians and the historical record.

There were more than just “occasions”.
>
> >Let’s address the above. Apparently Nizkor is referring to incidents such as what
> >happened at Dachau, when the Americans liberated the camp and lined scores of guards
> >up against a wall and gunned them down with machine gun fire. What Nizkor does not
> >tell us is that many of the men they lined up and murdered were not even in the SS!
>
> Citation for this please. _Inside the Vicious Heart_ only mentions SS
> guards.

That’s nice. However, I am through supplying
you with information. Research it.
>
> >
> >Also, this does NOT explain how thousands
of other German soldiers were inhumanly
> >treated

> Which camps are these?

Research it/I did.
>
> >formally recorded and exposed for all
the world to read in such books as “Other Losses”
>
> This book has been refuted.

The gas chambers have also been refuted.
>
> >as Goering,>
> They took his drugs away.

Sure, Mike. You’re right. You’re always
right…..right off the mark.
>
> > Fritzsche,
etc/
>
> You’ll have to tell us what was done to these folks.

I will inform the browsers soon./
>

> >
>Curtis writes:
> You need to apologize to history for
the lies you have laid in this
> thread.

Why should I apologize for what you do
for a living? SOME living!
>
>
>

From [email protected] Wed Oct 9 08:06:42 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
Date: 9 Oct 1996 11:11:16 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>

> :>>
> :>> Trust me, I believe very little I read on the Zuendel site. In fact, I rarely
> :>> look at the Zuendel site, preferring to concentrate on the truth.
>
> :>Now why don’t you try TELLING the truth?
>
> Sorry to have shown you up, Mr. “Blackmore”, but that’s what happens when you
> post denier bullshit that you are unable to back up. But you don’t need to
> get so testy.
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Has Mark Van Alstine given you your
doggy treat today?

From [email protected] Wed Oct 9 08:06:43 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Is that GAS I smell, or a rotten mackerel?
Date: 9 Oct 1996 11:46:03 GMT
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On Sat, 05 Oct 1996 17:28:40 GMT, [email protected] (Mike Curtis) wrote:
>

>
> Isn’t it interesting how the ‘revisionist’ set always throws out these
> little pearls hoping that they will not get caught with them?
>
>
> posted/emailed
>
>
>>>>
Perhaps you will now provide us with the
complete circumstances surrounding his
suicide, along with the investigation reports?

From [email protected] Wed Oct 9 08:58:24 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
Date: 9 Oct 1996 13:01:58 GMT
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> [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
> [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:
>
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > How absurd and ignorant it is for Nizkor to claims that confession
> > > were never extracted from the Germans by coercion or torture!
> >
> > Please give a URL to show where Nizkor claims this.
>
> Quick update:
>
> rblackmore has Cc’d me email in which he apologizes for making this
> false claim. He then goes on to say that Nizkor owes him an explanation
> for something or other. I informed him that I would respond when he
> posted that email to this newsgroup. I have not yet seen his posting
> of that apology, but I will respond when it arrives at my server.
> —
> Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
> [email protected] Co-Webmaster of https://www.nizkor.org/
> I’m a Zuendel-Certified “Censorship Buster.”
> Hate mail will be posted.
>
>>>>
What Mr. McCarthy says is true. However, I posted
the response a day or two ago.

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: RBLACKMORE LIES AGAIN… Re: Add this one to the “Discovery Channel”
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> [big snip]
>
> > No. Can’t go to all the trouble. Contact the publishers.
>
> I already have.
>
>>>>
Good. By the way, I have another one for
you to contact…..it is posted.

From [email protected] Wed Oct 9 08:58:26 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: THE MANY-FACED ILYA EHRENBURG
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> >> [email protected] (Judith Toth) writes:
> >>
> >> >[email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
> >>
> >> > When it suits your purposes you quote the standards of the
> >> >revisionists!?
> >>
> >> You’re missing the point
> >
> >You’re missing the point as well. how about adressing the
> >millions of crimes committed against the German people
> >by the allies? where are the monuments to those victims?
> >It seems as though you are only interested in exposing
> >the alleged crimes of one group (Germans) against another
> >group (Jews). Suffering is not limited to one group of people,
> >nor the capability to commit crimes.
>
> But, according to you, the Holcoaust never happened. Sure, you will
> say there were some “abuses” against the Jews, but nothing really bad,
> nothing compared to the suffering of the Germans. So I think it is you
> rather than anyone who who is promoting the claim that suffering is
> limited to one group.
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://www.nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
Please don’t attempt to second guess me, Mr. Morris.
It is condescending. I never made any of the above
statements as you wrote. I would think an apology is
in order.

From [email protected] Wed Oct 9 08:58:26 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
>
rblackmore writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >No one denies that the Jews were persecuted either.
> >What we are addressing is what form this persection
> >took and in what numbers.
>
> Every one that met the definitions defined by Nazi law and all those
> they could get their hands on in occupied territories.
>
> The numbers vary depending on method and with numbers running from 4.2
> million to 5.8 million in total the basic picture hardly changes. The
> concentration on the Jewish aspect makes it very plain where the
> prejudice and hatreds of the deniers lay. There is absolutely no doubt
> about this. So let’s discuss the other numbers, they ought to vary
> also, don’t you think?
>
>
>
>
>>>>
Your numbers are inaccurate.

From [email protected] Wed Oct 9 08:58:27 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
Date: 9 Oct 1996 13:08:43 GMT
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> [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
> [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:
>
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > How absurd and ignorant it is for Nizkor to claims that confession
> > > were never extracted from the Germans by coercion or torture!
> >
> > Please give a URL to show where Nizkor claims this.
>
> Quick update:
>
> rblackmore has Cc’d me email in which he apologizes for making this
> false claim. He then goes on to say that Nizkor owes him an explanation
> for something or other. I informed him that I would respond when he
> posted that email to this newsgroup. I have not yet seen his posting
> of that apology, but I will respond when it arrives at my server.
> —
> Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
> [email protected] Co-Webmaster of https://www.nizkor.org/
> I’m a Zuendel-Certified “Censorship Buster.”
> Hate mail will be posted.
>
>>>>
While I did offer an apology, the statement made by
Mr. McCarthy that my remarks were based upon a
“false claim” is not quite accurate, as the text I refer
to at nizkor referring to the subject under discussion
is open to interpretation. One will recognize that
my qualifying statement makes sense, as the Nizkor
statement itself was written by D. Keren, along with a
couple of other authors. However, I have no
problem with offering Mr. McCarthy an apology, but
the apology is offered in a gesture of good-will.

rb

From [email protected] Wed Oct 9 08:58:28 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me
Date: 9 Oct 1996 13:16:50 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> # After the British took over the camp they were faced
> # with the same problems as Kramer, but have no fear-
> # the British are here—and funny thing, in spite of food,
> # water, and medicine and quality care 28,000 more died.
>
> They died because they were already in a hopeless state,
> after being treated by your great hero, Joseph Kramer. Had
> the Brits arrived a few days later, probably no inmate would
> have survived.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Danny, try to stop stretching the truth for once in
your life.

From [email protected] Thu Oct 10 09:29:22 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
> # [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>
> ## Since we’re talking about Belsen here, his major crime was that
> ## he did nothing whatsoever to keep the inmates alive. That’s murder
> ## just like any other murder. When people are locked in a camp,
> ## and are given no food or water, even though there is plenty,
> ## it’s murder.
>
> # Yep-you are right. The problem here is that there wasn’t any
>
> Of course there was. Look at the photos of the SS-women. Each
> one seems to weigh 200 pounds. There were 800 tons of food
> in the Army barracks nearby. Even Kramer didn’t deny it; he
> said the Army didn’t give him any food for the inmates.

Ok. Let’s see….there were over 40,000 ill
prisoners crammed into Belsen during the last few weeks
of the war, and there were at most 400 guards,
many from non SS units, along with an administrative
staff of 55 males and 12-15 females. The camp had
ONE doctor…..BTW, the SS women didn’t contract
typhus or dysentery, which is what most of the new
arrivals were suffering with before they even got
there. Perhaps you would have liked to have seen
the SS women down to 50 lbs? As to the food
stores you keep harping about, let’s quote from
the record:

>From the questioning of Captain Sington, page 50:

Q: Is it true that in fact food was cooked on
the 15th April before you arrived, and was issued
out?

A: Apparently it was cooked. I did not see it
being issued.

Q: Were you present in the evening when
a german truck with bread arrived?

A: No. I saw bread in the camp on the
following day.

Question by the Judge Advocate, page 53:

Have you any knowledge of the difficulties
that Kramer had to meet in these five months
(Four, actually. rb) and the facilities given to
him by his superiors to meet such conditions
as there were?

A: No.

Statement of Major Berney, page 54:

“The water in the tanks in the concentration
area was completely foul, and as an immediate
emergency measure some army water-carts were
sent in…..It took four to five days to have water
laid on to every cookhouse, and water was
available to everybody in the camp in one
form or another about four days after we
first entered.”

(In one form or another……hmmm)rb.

Finally, in regard to the tons of food-
it is clear that it was already alllocated
and rationed to other areas by the Wehrmacht.
Continued questioning of Berney, Page 54-55:

Q: Do you speak and understand German?

A: No.

Q: How did you converse……?

A: Through an official Belgian interpreter.

Q: Was your first question to the Captain (In
charge of the Wehrmacht food supplies.rb),
“What camps do you supply from your food
in the stores?”

A: “No……”

Q: Did the Wehrmacht Captain indicate which
other units he supplied rations to?

A: Yes, the Hungarian regiments, their families
and the Wehrmacht troops in the camp.

Q: Did he mention that Wehrmacht units as
far away as Hannover were supplied by that
store?

A: He said nothing about Hannover.

Q: Did you get details of daily issues from
this store?

A: No………

Q: Did you find out how the rations got
>from the German food store to camp No. 1?

A: No.

Finally, page 56:

Judge Advocate:

Q: Did you get anything from the conversation
or did you form the impression when talking to
this Captain that Kramer indented for what he
wanted or that the Hauptmann sent down such
food as he did when and how he liked?

A: I cannot remember the exact words of the
conversation, but the impression I got was
that he had to send down a certain quantity
in some sort of ration scale.

END OF QUOTES

Well, these statements ought to clear things
up from the prosecutorial posts offered by
D. Keren.

>

> # and 80% of the people had typhus.
>
> Because they were starved and mistreated.

No, Dan, because they were ILL and typhus is
highly contagious. Note also, that there was
practically NO typhus in Camp 2, which was the
section of the camp occupied by the original
detainees. Neither did the inmates have the
appearance of seriously ill people afflicted by
typhus, a “wasting” disease, which gives the
same appearance as those suffering with advanced
AIDS.

It seems as though Mr. Keren likes to slant his
evidence sometimes. How many times? Who
can say?
>
> We’ve been through this before. No “revisionist” can explain
> why, for instance, the death rate among Allied POW’s for the
> ENTIRE war was about 3 percent, while in the “work camps” it
> was as high as 10 percent per MONTH in the second half of
> 1942, and so high at the war’s end.
>
> No “revisionist” can explain why the local population, and the
> SS, and the German Army, didn’t starve, while the inmates
> died like flies.

The SS and the German army also starved and
died like flies after the war in allied prison camps.
Also, the SS often contracted typhus as well as
the inmates. Typhus is no respecter of persons,
and the SS also died from it. Perhaps one reason
why as many SS did not contract the disease is
that they were prohibited from close contact with
the inmates.
>
>

> Emaciated corpses of the inmates.

Obviously seriously ill. The inmates in Camp
two looked relatively healthy, as the British
themselves stated while being cross-examined.
>
> buchenwald04.jpg:
> German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops
> have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how
> well-dressed and well-fed they are.

The Germans were not suffering from typhus.
Perhaps Mr. Keren would prefer if they were?
Also, many germans would soon be dead from
the violent rampaging prisoners in the camps,
who were prematurely released by the allies.
Many of the criminal elements once incarcerated
in the camps were released to rape, loot, and
murder defenseless civilians.
>
> You can dance on the graves and offer your lame-brained excuses
> for this mass murder, but you will not convince any rational
> person – only other Nazi admirers and apologists.

Let’s let the evidence speak for itself. I am not
here to convert anyone. This has NOTHING to
do with admiration or apologizing. It concerns
reporting things accurately.

“The truth or not the truth, THAT is the question.
The truth and ALL the truth, that is the answer.
>
>
>

From [email protected] Thu Oct 10 09:29:22 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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From [email protected] Thu Oct 10 09:29:23 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: 9 Oct 1996 09:50:19 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:

>
> The fact that European Jewry was not exterminated has nothing to do with
> whether the Nazis _tried_ to exterminate European Jewry. But you knew that.

I have to disagree with that one completely.
If it had been their intention to exterminate the Jews
within their sphere of control, then there would not
have been a survivor left. The very fact that only
25% of France’s Jewish population was ever deported
disproves your thesis.

rb
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Thu Oct 10 09:29:24 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel
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This is dedicated to Raj Gandhi. Add this one
to the Discovery Channel and WW II maga-
zine:

From: The Pictorial History of the Jewish People,
by Nathan Ausubel, Crown Publishers, N.Y., 1961,
ELEVENTH PRINTING.

Quote:

“….in Oswiecim (Auschwitz) and its subsidiary
plants, almost 4,000,000 Jewish lives were
snuffed out. The register of the slain in the
electric crematoria of the Oswiecim subsidiary,
Birkenau, reads like a carefully itemized account
of a business house. The plant first gassed, then
burned 6,000 Jews daily.”

End of Quote (Note that in the quote Auschwitz
appears in parentheses and was the German
name for Oswiecim. The inclusion was mine.)

Now here is more evidence of how the figure
of 4,000,000 was bandied about for years in
a completely irresponsible manner. Note that
in 1961 the book had already gone through
11 editions and more were to follow. This
book is commonly found in libraries all over the
world. Of course Mr. Gandhi will now set the
publishers straight…..as well as apologize to me
for calling me a liar when he stated that I had no proof
that the figure of 4,000,000 alleged dead at Auschwitz
was irresponsibly bandied about for years.

rb

From [email protected] Thu Oct 10 09:29:25 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
Date: 9 Oct 1996 11:22:56 GMT
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> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On Tue, 08 Oct 1996 08:51:51 GMT, [email protected] (John Morris)
> wrote:
>
> >[email protected] wrote:
>
> >[snip]
>
> >>Don’t worry about the color….it was described by Artur
> >>Breitweiser, Chief of Disinfestation at Auschwitz. By the
> >>way, he was declared Not Guilty at the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trials.
> >>Better start runing before the collapsing Holocaust story falls right
> >>on your head.
>
> >The collapsing Holocaust story?
>
> >Thank you for finally clarifying that you are in fact a Holocaust
> >denier.
>
> It is unclear how observing the collapse of the stories makes one a
> “denier.” Which particular story is one considered to be denying? The 4.5
> million Auschwitz story for example?
>
> =====
> Read the information holohuggers fear
> http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
> http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
> http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
> http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
>
>
>>>>
The fact is, their backs are up against the wall,
and the only tactic they can resort to now is to
LABEL. This was predicted to
me a few weeks ago. They have run out of
arguments, so it’s time to reach into the mud
barrel……

From [email protected] Thu Oct 10 09:29:25 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it…
Date: 9 Oct 1996 11:52:21 GMT
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >Why don’t you just deal with the documents, rather than stumpy
> >or anyone else. This is one of your main faults and your weakest
> >points….you NEVER deal with uncomfortable documentation which
> >shows you to possess double standards. If the material is false, simply
> >say so and prove WHY.
>
> What documents? All I have seen are little snippets of quotes from
> unknown documents.
>
> Perhaps if you provided the promised footnotes?
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://www.nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
I’ll post them. Then what?

From [email protected] Thu Oct 10 09:29:26 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >Now that we have demonstrated how German women were
> > treated by the allies, let us proceed to examine the
> >treatment of children:
> >
> >President Roosevelt again assumed the lead in directing
> > allied policies in regard to the treatment of German
> >civilians. His policy was reflected in a statement he uttered
> > regarding the nourishment of the defeated. As Marie
> >Antoinette once said of the French citizenry, “Let them eat
> > cake”,
>
> Actually, she never said this. This was propaganda aimed at her by her
> enemies. Interesting factual history isn’t it?
>
>
> Once you site your sources I’ll deal with the rest of your article.
>
>
> Mike Curtis E-mail [email protected]
>
> Over 365 Megs of data: https://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
> Europe: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
> Nizkor Web: https://www.nizkor.org/ (Under construction – permanently!)
>
>>>>
Of course you were there to hear her words.
Whether she said it or not is not important.
Roosevelt made the quote in question. As
a matter of fact, it was his original intention
to supply one bowl of soup per day.

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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:

….If you are
> >> >going to produce a credible witness, at least prove he exists!
> >>
> >> He’s dead.
> >
> >Prove he ever lived. This mystery witness who never gave
> >testimony before a court.
>
> He had a wife. I guess she wasn’t really married to anyone.

This “man” never responded to anyone. He’s a
figment of your imagination, or somebody’s
imagination…
>
Why would Hitler need a subscription?> >
> >Do you have the subscription form or not?
>
> Blackmore/belling/whoever is now heading into the height of stupidity.

I’ll have to step in line behind you.
>
>
> So that’s both absurdity and stupidity. I think they go together,
> don’t you? ‘Course you do.

Just like you and Gordon McFee.
>
>
>
>>>>

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] (Ken
> Lewis)Mon, 07 Oct 1996 18:57:29 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>On 6 Oct 1996 00:15:25 GMT, [email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:
> :>
> :>
> :>>Mr. “Blackmore” and I have been around this one before when he used to post
> :>>under another pseudonym.
> :>
> :>Perhaps the time has come to reveal Jellybelly’s real name.
>
> Perhaps it has. One problem. I told him in private e-mail that I would
> respect his privacy, as much as I abhor pseudonyms. Unlike deniers, I am a
> man of my honour.
>
> Now, that was in a different incarnation. Perhaps my oath is no longer
> binding, but was only binding to the other pseudonym. Any legal experts out
> there? 🙂
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
I guess this is an example of your honor?

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> :>
> :>
> :>>
> :>>
> :>> —
> :>> Gord McFee
> :>> I’ll write no line before its time
> :>>
> :>>
> :>>>>>
> :>No, it has not been disproved. Disprove it.
>
> Boy, that is an informative post.

You would be better off to post nothing.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] (Mike
> Curtis) writes:
> :>
> :>[email protected] wrote:
> :>
> :>>>
> :>>> The fact that _you_ say that Ehlert was a liar is nothing more than blabber.
> :>>> Please post the independent forensic evidence that _proves_ she was a liar.
> :>>> Two unrelated lie detector results will suffice.
>
> :>And this denier’s response to Gord McFee!
> :>
> :>>I’ll have to stand in line nehind you and your little imp, Mark van Alstine.
> :>
> :>This is nonresponsive to the questions at hand.
>
> Perhaps the reason is that there he has no answer to the questions at hand.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
I have given you the answer you deserve. Prove
that you deserve better.

From [email protected] Thu Oct 10 15:21:33 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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1. Roosevelt’s Road to Russia, George N
Crocker, pages 219, 220,245, Henry
Regnery Company, Chicago, 1959.

2. The United States Army in the
Occupation of Germany, Army Historical
Series, Center of Military History,
pages 220, 246,248,355,422,438, Washington, D.C.

3. Gruesome Harvest, Ralph Franklin Keeling,
Institute of American
Economics, 1947

4. From the Ruins of the Reich, Douglas
Botting, page 194,130,207-208, Crown
Publishers, New York, 1985

5. Vorsicht! Faelschung!, page 195, FZ-Verlag, Munich,
1994

18. The High Cost of Vengeance,
Freda Utley, page 167, Henry Regnery
Company, Chicago, 1949.

All the reports on the mistreatment of SS and Nazi Party Officials was taken
from: “Alliierte Kreigsverbrechen und Verbrechen gegen die Menschlichkeit”
(Allied War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity), which consists of
depositions given by German interness at the camp of Darmstadt, on behalf of
defense attorneys at Nuremberg. The information was verified in the reports
and often confirmed by many witnesses. Published by Durer-Verlag, Buenos
Aires,

From [email protected] Thu Oct 10 15:21:35 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >Don’t worry about the color….it was described by Artur
> >Breitweiser, Chief of Disinfestation at Auschwitz. By the
> >way, he was declared Not Guilty at the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trials.
> >Better start runing before the collapsing Holocaust story falls right
> >on your head.
>
> The collapsing Holocaust story?
>
> Thank you for finally clarifying that you are in fact a Holocaust
> denier.
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://www.nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
Thank you for admitting that you can not debate with
me, but choose instead to throw mud. BTW, the story
IS collapsing IF every detail can not be maintained as
accurate or valid. Now, how is that denying? Also,
you yourself may be described as a denier if you
consistently refuse to admit the truth of exposed Holocaust
falsifications.

From [email protected] Thu Oct 10 15:21:36 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: I always get the feeling
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Would you care to be specific and answer the questions?
Golly, after that quote in Psalms, I should be looking
like a real moderate…..

From [email protected] Thu Oct 10 15:21:36 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: More on Goring’s Commission to Heydrich
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> From the interrogation of Friedrich Jeckeln:
>
> ” I would like to state for the record that Goring shares in the guilt
> for the liquidations of Jewish convoys that arrived from other
> countries. In the first half of February 1942 I received a letter from
> Heydrich. In this letter he wrote that Reich Marshall Goring had
> gotten himself involved in the Jewish question, and that Jews were now
> being shipped to the East for annihilation only with Gorings
> approval.”
>
> Work Cited
>
> Fleming, Gerald. Hitler and the Final Solution. Berkeley: University
> of California Press. 1994. p. 97

rblackmore writes:

Good old Friedrich Jeckeln! Now, allow me to state for
the record:

Herr Jeckeln, who is often quoted by Holocaust promoters,
was captured by the Soviets, and had a show trial in the USSR,
where he was condemned and executed in 1946, after he
had made a “full confession” and “incriminated” the
appropriate people. For more on Soviet produced sources
and evidence, please refer to my posts: Soviet Deaf Comedy
Jams-parts one through five.

Source cited for the fate of Jeckeln: Raoul Hilberg, page 708.

From [email protected] Thu Oct 10 15:21:37 PDT 1996
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According toDragon:

>
> “Slama Dragon, another former prisoner, heard by the examining Judge Jan
> Sehn on 10th and 11th May 1945, states that he was detailed to Krematorium
> V in the autimn of 1943 and worked there until May 1944. He states that he
> was employed on gardening, wood cutting, and coke transport [for which
> Krema-torium?] as a member of the Sonderkommando of Kr V which was out of
> service throughout this period and whose furnaces where not reactivated
> until the arrival of the first transport of HUngarian Jews. He
> subsequently confirms that in May 1944 Krematorium V was brought back into
> service, but that at the very begining of the Hngarian action the furnace
> of Krematorium IV was used to cremate the victims because that of V was
> out of order. He then reports that the Jews were burnt in five ditches dug
> behind Krematorium V.
>
> “Dragon’s statements concerning Krematorium V are now confirmed, but doubt
> remains about the use of Krematoium IV furnace.” (Pressac, _Technique_,
> p.380.)

rblackmore writes:
Doubt also remains about the statements of Dragon.
Are his statements the only “evidence” they have for
this?

From [email protected] Thu Oct 10 15:21:38 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 08:38:54 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> :>> In message
> :>> [email protected] writes:
> :>> :>
> :>> :>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote to
> :>> :>Gord McFee:
> :>> :>
> :>> :>> By the way, someone told me that you are using a pseudonym-is this true?
> :>> :>
> :>> :>HAHAHAHAHAHA!
> :>> :>
> :>> :>Pot.Kettle.Black, Mr. Blackmore/Belling/whatever.
> :>>
> :>> You know him too Sara. 🙂
>
> :>This is hilarious. You can’t answer my arguments so you
> :>yap about what my name is…..keep up the good work…
> :>a clear admission of impending defeat…..
>
> No one is trying to “defeat” you. But since you claim such unmitigated
> victory, you will not mind my posting your real name, will you?
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
The only thing relative here is the subject at
hand-the truth or falsity of the holocaust. Deal
with that. We won’t be sending each other
Christmas Cards….

From [email protected] Thu Oct 10 15:21:39 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> >> rb
> >.
> >>
> >> It doesn’t show that you have done a thing. It also appears that you
> >> are not at all familiar with all the sources concerning Streicher. It
> >> also shows that your comparisons do nothing to support your denials of
> >> the Holocaust anyway. Streicher isn’t all that important.
> >>
>
> >>>>>
> >Streicher isn’t all that important. I agree. So why was he at Nuremberg?
>
> What did you learn from reading Bradley F. Smith’s book?
> What does Conot say?
> What does Telford Taylor say?
>
> You tell us what you really know and we’ll say if you passed the test
> or not.
>
>
>
>
>>>>
I never enrolled in your phoney history class.

From [email protected] Thu Oct 10 16:20:52 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>

> :>So you’re saying that if someone doens’t finish a job it’s the same as
> :>if they had never tried to do it at all?? Yeah, right.
>
> Mr. “Blackmore” has simply finished his descent into the denier mire.

No, what I am saying is that 75%! of France’s Jews were not
deported and exterminated, in spite of this thesis of yours
that the nazis were out to murder them all. In fact, of the 25%
who were deported, how percentage of them do you believe
were gassed? How many of them returned to France at the
end of the war or emigrated?.
>
>
rb>
>>>>

From [email protected] Thu Oct 10 16:20:53 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> :>
> :>
> :>>
> :>> The fact that European Jewry was not exterminated has nothing to do with
> :>> whether the Nazis _tried_ to exterminate European Jewry. But you knew that.
> :>
> :>I have to disagree with that one completely.
> :> If it had been their intention to exterminate the Jews
> :>within their sphere of control, then there would not
> :>have been a survivor left. The very fact that only
> :>25% of France’s Jewish population was ever deported
> :>disproves your thesis.
>
> Oh bullshit, Mr. “Blackmore”. Simply to state an intent means that one is
> 100% successful or the intent was never stated? What rubbish. They managed
> to kill 90% of Polish Jews. Is that a high enough percentage for you, or
> would you prefer they had killed the entire 100%?
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Prove they killed 90% of Poland’s Jews. You are ignoring
the fact that the majority of Italy’s Jews, as well as Hungary’s
were not deported as well. I fail to see the connection, then,
with an intent to exterminate all the Jews who fell within the
Nazi orbit. BTW, I would have preferred that the Second World
War never happened. I would rather “Give Peace a Chance.”

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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 10 Oct 1996 20:20:12 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>

>
> How tiresome, Herr Belling. Is this the best you have to offer? Better not
> quit your day job just yet.
>
>
>>>>
Why don’t you just deal with what I have posted here directly?
Always dodging the issues…..well, the facts speak for themselves.
I have posted scores of examples concerning the torture of germans
to obtain false confessions. Your citation is another “show trial confession.”
Deal with it. BYW, if I have a “day job”, why I am I posting in the daytime?

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:

I have read Fritzsche’s book. He does not
> claim he was tortured or otherwise mistreated at Nuremberg, which was the
> source of this thread.

Oh, but it does say he was tormented and
mistreated. Read it again please. I gave you
the page numbers.

I challenge to quote one reference where he claims he
> was tortured at Nuremberg.

I din’t say he was tortured at Nuremberg. However, he
was “tormented” and “mistreated”. His interrogation
and treatment in the USSR was torture, however, and they
were among the judges and prosecutors at Nuremberg.

I also challenge to find one source where Frank or
> Streicher say they were mistreated at Nuremberg.
>
> :>
> :> Please post the
> :>> citations for Frank and Streicher having been tortured. Or else, admit you
> :>> are making it up as you go along.
> :>
> :>I already referred you to two sources. BTW,
> :> I NEVER make it up as I go along. If I did
> :>not have sources, I would state that it was
> :>merely “my opinion”, as I have in the past.
>
> You have posted no sources for Streicher and Frank having been tortured at
> Nuremberg. You obviously know nothing of Frank’s behaviour at Nuremberg.

FYI, I have read ALL the volumes of the Nuremberg trial.
I know all about Frank’s behavior at Nuremberg, and yes, he
was tortured by his captors. Source for the torture of Streicher
is in Fritzsche’s book, it was also referred to directly at Nuremberg,
and you may read it in Maser’s book “Nuremberg” pages 49-53.
Maser also refers to the torture of Hans Frank in the same book.
Now, are you satifisfied that I have provided you with the sources
to research and confirm these statements? And do you admit
that Maser is far from being a revisionist?

rb
>
>
>
>
> —
>

>
>>>>

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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] (John Morris) wrote:
>
> >[email protected] wrote:
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >>Don’t worry about the color….it was described by Artur
> >>Breitweiser, Chief of Disinfestation at Auschwitz. By the
> >>way, he was declared Not Guilty at the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trials.
> >>Better start runing before the collapsing Holocaust story falls right
> >>on your head.
> >
> >The collapsing Holocaust story?
> >
> >Thank you for finally clarifying that you are in fact a Holocaust
> >denier.
> >
>
> Yup, he is publically out of the closet now. He’s prgressing fast from
> trivializer to total distortionist.
>
>
>
>>>>
Thanks for ignoring the issue as usual.

From [email protected] Thu Oct 10 18:08:08 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> > [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > The water was NOT pumped in from the river until FIVE days
> > >later, after they had scrounged throughout the camp for equipment. For an
> attorney,
> > >you really are making yourself look ridiculous here. Go get a cup of coffee,
> wake
> > >up, read the testimony which confirms what I just told you, and then get back
> to me.
>
> > Provide the proper citation for us all. The absence of this particular
> > citation and your refusal to do so is becoming telling.
>
> The really strange part is the utter mutability of blackmore’s claim. He
> started it, all fire and brimstone, claiming that Kramer was innocent becasue it was
> impossible to provide water to the inmates. He is now reduced to the claim that
> the British did not supply potable water using the camp’s equipment until five days
> after they arrived.
>
> This is nothing more or less than a tacit admission that his original
> defense of Kramer is untenable. In the interim he has engaged in baseless
> speculation, ipse dixit argument, and ad hominem attacks on those who do not
> share his religious beliefs. Altogether a rather pitful performance.
>
> Another Giwer.
>
> –YFE
Keep on dreaming, Counselor.

From [email protected] Thu Oct 10 18:08:09 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:

If the material is false, simply
> :>say so and prove WHY.
>
> Another dodge, Mr. “Blackmore”. Do you _ever_ rationalize your opinions, or
> are you just a bot? I was right about Stumpy, wasn’t I? Embarrassed? Still
> claim you don’t use “revisionist” sources?
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
I am not in the least embarrassed. How do you know
where Stumpy got them from? I will post the sources
tomorrow. They are not “revisionist”. I won’t disappoint
you……Then you will deal with it, right?

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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >”Do you have any proof that Germans were tortured in order
> > to extract confessions?”
> >
> >
> >(Footnotes will be posted separately)
> >
>
> So you have no proof. Once you post the citations we’ll deal the
> article.
>
>
> Mike Curtis E-mail [email protected]
>
> Over 365 Megs of data: https://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
> Europe: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
> Nizkor Web: https://www.nizkor.org/ (Under construction – permanently!)
>
>>>>
No problem. It’s a foregone conlusion
what you will say anyway. Talk about
closed minds…..

From [email protected] Fri Oct 11 09:06:47 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>

And yes, Frank was also tortured, as well
> :>as Streicher.
>
> I see. Now we are in true denier mode. “It’s true because! I! say! so!”.
> Sorry, Mr. “Blackmore”, that doesn’t cut it.

Mr. McFee-I gave you a source. You claim
to have read it, and if you have, you will also
note how Fritzsche was treated after
he was captured and interrogated by the Russians.
You will also see a reference to Streicher
and how he was tortured. You will also find a
section where he relates that Goering was set upon
by one of his guards for simply asking politely for
his chair. You will also read how the defendants
were deprived of sleep and poked with sticks
constantly. So, if you read his book it is amazing
that you overlooked all this material. Aside
>from that, I will refer you to Werner Maser’s
book “Nuremberg” to read about how Streicher
was treated in detail. It was also alleged that
Josef Kramer was tortured, as was Oswald
Pohl. I will get around to posting all the details
soon, complete with full references.
>

Please post the
> citations for Frank and Streicher having been tortured. Or else, admit you
> are making it up as you go along.

I already referred you to two sources. BTW,
I NEVER make it up as I go along. If I did
not have sources, I would state that it was
merely “my opinion”, as I have in the past.

I never claimed that Speer, von Schirach,
> :>von Neurath, or Funk were mistreated. read the names again:
> :>
> :>Hess
> :>Goering
> :>Streicher
> :>Frank
> :>Sauckel
>
> Very convenient. They are all dead.

Exactly. So is Speer, von Schirach, von Neurath,
Funk, von Papen, and Schacht.
>
> :>(Re: complaints of mistreatment and why they didn’t complain)
> :>> Not a single one did.
> :>> Why do you suppose that is?
> :>
> :>Fritzsche did, as he was one who was mistreated and lived to tell about it.
>
> Bullshit.

OK. Have it your way. Here are the relevant page numbers:
15, 45, 46, 47,48,49, 57,88,103.

Concerning the torture of Streicher, read page 208.

Concerning the torture of Frank, see Rupert Butler’s
Legions of Death.
>
> :>> As you know, Ley committed suicide,

> :>I said Ley committed suicide. You gave a probable reason. I gave another.
>
> No, I gave the correct reason. You invented a phoney reason.

I gave a probable reason.
>
> :>> Why _don’t_ you use your real name? You know that I know.
> :>
> :>Good for you. My real name will not affect the content of my arguments.
>
> That I will agree with. There is nothing to affect.

Then why do you bother to respond?
>
>
> —

>>>>

From [email protected] Fri Oct 11 09:06:48 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> : > [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
>
> :

> : >
> : > Thank you for finally clarifying that you are in fact a Holocaust
> : > denier.

I never said any such thing. I do deny some aspects
of the Holocaust, but not all. Now, I suppose that makes
me a “denier”. By the same token, if I were to deny the
alleged reality of certain “miracles”, that would make me
an atheist?
>
> : Thank you for admitting that you can not debate with
> : me, but choose instead to throw mud.
>
> How is this throwing mud?

How? By avoiding debate and calling me a “denier”.
Again, this is similar to calling me an atheist, as many
tales of the holocaust, being unproven as they are,
become a matter of faith and dogma, over reason.

If you believe the “Holocaust story” is
> collapsing, then you must believe it is false.

I believe much of it is indeed false.

Ah. I see. So if any detail of the historical account of the Holocaust
> is false, then the story can be regarded as “collapsing?”

Not “any” detail-“many” details.
>

>
> Name some “exposed Holocaust falsifications,” and I for one will react
> to them. So far, you haven’t done so well.
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
I think I have been doing just fine. If you like, refer
to my posts “Add this one to the discovery channel”
or “Blah blah Blaha, have you any lies?” That
should do nicely to start with. After that, you might
wish to peruse “Soviet Def Comedy Jam-Parts 1-5.”
The Blaha posts may be pulled up from Deja News.

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Fifty years ago, on April 15, 1945, British
troops liberated the Bergen-Belsen concentration
camp. The anniversary was widely remembered in
official ceremonies and in newspaper articles that,
as the following essay
shows, distort the camp’s true history.

Largely because of the circumstances of its liberation,
the relatively unimportant German concentration
camp of Bergen-Belsen has become — along
with Dachau and Buchenwald — an international
symbol of German barbarism.

The British troops who liberated the Belsen
camp three weeks before the end
of the war were shocked and disgusted by
the many unburied corpses and dying
inmates they found there. Horrific photos
and films of the camp’s emaciated
corpses and mortally sick inmates were quickly
circulated around the globe.Within weeks the British
military occupation newspaper proclaimed: “The
story of that greatest of all exhibitions of ‘man’s inhumanity
to man’ which was Belsen Concentration Camp is
known throughout the world.” (note 1)

Ghastly images recorded by Allied photographers
at Belsen in mid-April 1945 and widely reproduced
ever since have greatly contributed to the camp’s
reputation as a notorious extermination center. In fact
, the dead of Bergen-Belsen were, above all, unfortunate
victims of war and its turmoil, not deliberate policy. It can
even be argued that they were as much victims
of Allied as of German measures.

The Bergen-Belsen camp was located near
Hannover in northwestern Germany on
the site of a former army camp for wounded
prisoners of war. In 1943 it was
established as an internment camp (Aufenthaltslager)
for European Jews who
were to be exchanged for German citizens held by
the Allies.

More than 9,000 Jews with citizenship papers
or passports from Latin American countries, entry
visas for Palestine, or other documents making
them eligible for emigration, arrived in late 1943
and 1944 from Poland, France, Holland and othe
r parts of Europe. During the final months of the
war, several groups of these “exchange Jews” were
transported from Axis-occupied Europe. German
authorities transferred several hundred to
neutral Switzerland, and at least one group of 222
Jewish detainees was transferred from Belsen
(by way of neutral Turkey) to British-controlled
Palestine. (note 2)

Until late 1944 conditions were generally better
than in other concentration camps. Marika Frank
Abrams, a Jewish woman from Hungary, was transferred
>from Auschwitz in 1944. Years later she recalled her
arrival at Belsen: “…We were each given two blankets
and a dish. There was running water and
latrines. We were given food that was edible and didn’t
have to stand for hours to be counted. The conditions
were so superior to Auschwitz we felt we
were practically in a sanitarium.” (note 3)

Inmates normally received three meals a day. Coffee
and bread were served in the morning and evening,
with cheese and sausage as available. The main
mid-day meal consisted of one liter of vegetable stew. Families lived
together. Otherwise, men and women were housed in separate barracks. (note
4)

Children were also held there. There were
some 500 Jewish children in Belsen’s “No. 1
Women’s Camp” section when British forces arrived. (note
5)

During the final months of the war, tens of
thousands of Jews were evacuated
to Belsen from Auschwitz and other eastern
camps threatened by the advancing
Soviets. Belsen became severely overcrowded as the number of inmates
increased from 15,000 in December 1944 to 42,000 at the beginning of March
1945, and more than 50,000 a month later. (note 6)

Many of these Jewish prisoners had chosen
to be evacuated westwards with
their German captors rather than remain in eastern camps to await liberation
by Soviet forces. (note 7)

So catastrophic had conditions become
during the final months of the war
that about a third of the prisoners evacuated
to Belsen in February and
March 1945 perished during the journey and were dead on arrival. (note 8)

As order broke down across Europe during
those chaotic final months, regular
deliveries of food and medicine to the camp stopped. Foraging trucks were
sent to scrounge up whatever supplies of bread, potatoes and turnips were
available in nearby towns. (note 9)

Epidemic

Disease was kept under control by routinely
disinfecting all new arrivals.
But in early February 1945 a large transport of
Hungarian Jews was admitted
while the disinfection facility was out of order
. As a result, typhus broke
out and quickly spread beyond control. (note 10)

Commandant Josef Kramer quarantined the
camp in an effort to save lives, but
SS camp administration headquarters in Berlin
insisted that Belsen be kept
open to receive still more Jewish evacuees arriving from the East. The death
rate soon rose to 400 a day. (note 11)

The worst killer was typhus, but typhoid
fever and dysentery also claimed
many lives. Aggravating the situation was
a policy during the final months
of transferring already sick inmates from other camps to Belsen, which was
then officially designated a sick or convalescence camp (Krankenlager). The
sick women of Auschwitz, for example, were transferred to Belsen in three
groups in November-December 1944. (note 12)

When SS chief Heinrich Himmler learned
of the typhus outbreak at
Bergen-Belsen, he immediately issued an
order to all appropriate officials
requiring that “all medical means necessary to combat the epidemic should be
employed … There can be no question of skimping either with doctors or
medical supplies.” However, the general breakdown of order that prevailed on
Germany by this time made it impossible to implement the command. (note
13

‘Belsen Worst’

Violette Fintz, a Jewish woman who had
been deported from the island of
Rhodes to Auschwitz in mid-1944, and
then to Dachau and, finally, in early
1945, to Belsen, later compared conditions
in the different camps: (note
14)

“Belsen was in the beginning bearable
and we had bunks to sleep on,
and a small ration of soup and bread. But as the camp got fuller,
our group and many others were given
a barracks to hold about
seven hundred lying on the floor without blankets and without food
or anything. It was a pitiful scene as the camp was attacked by
lice and most of the people had typhus and cholera … Many people
talk about Auschwitz — it was a horrible camp. But Belsen, no
words can describe it … From my experience and suffering, Belsen
was the worst.”

Belsen’s most famous inmate was doubtless
Anne Frank, who had been evacuated
>from Auschwitz in late October 1994. She
succumbed to typhus in March 1945,
three or four weeks before liberation.

Kramer Reports a ‘Catastrophe’

In a March 1, 1945, letter to Gruppenfuehrer
(General) Richard Gl=FCcks, head
of the SS camp administration agency
, Commandant Kramer reported in detail
on the catastrophic situation in the Bergen-Belsen,
and pleaded for help:
(note 15)

“If I had sufficient sleeping accommodation at my disposal, then
the accommodation of the detainees who have already arrived and of
those still to come would appear more possible. In addition to
this question a spotted fever and typhus epidemic has now begun,
which increases in extent every day. The daily mortality rate,
which was still in the region of 60-70 at the beginning of
February, has in the meantime attained a daily average of 250-300
and will increase still further in view of the conditions which at
present prevail.

Supply. When I took over the camp,
winter supplies for 1500
internees had been indented for; some
had been received, but the
greater part had not been delivered.
This failure was due not only
to difficulties of transport, but also to
the fact that practically nothing is available in
this area and all must be brought from
outside the area .

For the last four days there has been no delivery [of food] from
Hannover owing to interrupted communications, and I shall be
compelled, if this state of affairs prevails till the end of the
week, to fetch bread also by means of truck from Hannover. The
trucks allotted to the local unit are in no way adequate for this
work, and I am compelled to ask for at least three to four trucks
and five to six trailers. When I once have here a means of towing
then I can send out the trailers into the surrounding area … The
supply question must, without fail, be cleared up in the next few
days. I ask you, Gruppenfuehrer, for an allocation of transport ..

State of Health. The incidence of disease is very high here in
proportion to the number of detainees. When you interviewed me on
Dec. 1, 1944, at Oranienburg, you told me that Bergen-Belsen was
to serve as a sick camp for all concentration camps in north
Germany. The number of sick has greatly increased, particularly on
account of the transports of detainees that have arrived from the
East in recent times — these transports have sometimes spent
eight or fourteen days in open trucks .

The fight against spotted fever is made
extremely difficult by the
lack of means of disinfection. Due to constant
use, the hot-air delousing machine is now in bad
working order and sometimes fails for several days .

A catastrophe is taking place for which no one wishes to assume
responsibility … Gruppenfuehrer, I can assure you that from this
end everything will be done to overcome the present crisis …

I am now asking you for your assistance as it lies in your power.
In addition to the above-mentioned points I need here, before
everything, accommodation facilities, beds, blankets, eating
utensils — all for about 20,000 internees … I implore your help
in overcoming this situation.

Under such terrible conditions, Kramer did
everything in his power to reduce
suffering and prevent death among the
inmates, even appealing to the
hard-pressed German army. “I don’t know
what else to do,” he told
high-ranking army officers. “I have reached
the limit. Masses of people are
dying. The drinking water supply has broken
down. A trainload of food was
destroyed by low-flying [Allied] war planes.
Something must be done
immediately.” (note 16)

Working together with both Commandant
Kramer and chief inmate representative
Kuestermeier, Colonel Hans Schmidt
responded by arranging for the local
volunteer fire department to provide water
He also saw to it that food
supplies were brought to the camp from abandoned rail cars
. Schmidt later recalled that Kramer “did not at
all impress one as a criminal type. He
acted like an upright and rather honorable man
. Neither did he strike me as someone with a guilty
conscience. He worked with great dedication to improve
conditions in the camp. For example, he rounded up horse drawn vehicles to
bring food to the camp from rail cars that had been shot up.” (note 17)

“I was swamped,” Kramer later explained to
incredulous British military
interrogators: (note 18)

The camp was not really inefficient before you [British and
American forces] crossed the Rhine. There was running water,
regular meals of a kind — I had to accept what food I was given
for the camp and distribute it the best way I could. But then they
suddenly began to send me trainloads of new prisoners from all
over Germany. It was impossible to cope with them. I appealed for
more staff, more food. I was told that this was impossible. I had
to carry on with what I had.

Then as a last straw the Allies bombed the electric plant that
pumped our water. Loads of food were unable to reach the camp
because of the Allied fighters. Then things really got out of
hand. During the last six weeks I have been helpless. I did not
even have sufficient staff to bury the dead, let alone segregate
the sick … I tried to get medicines and food for the prisoners
and I failed. I was swamped. I may have been hated, but I was
doing my duty.

Kramer’s clear conscience is also suggested by the fact that he made no
effort to save his life by fleeing, but instead calmly awaited the
approaching British forces, naively confident of decent treatment. “When
Belsen Camp was eventually taken over by the Allies,” he later stated, “I
was quite satisfied that I had done all I possibly could under the
circumstances to remedy the conditions in the camp.” (note 19)

Negotiated Transfer

As British forces approached Bergen-Belsen,
German authorities sought to
turn over the camp to the British so that it
would not become a combat zone.
After some negotiation, it was peacefully
transferred, with an agreement
that “both British and German troops
will make every effort to avoid battle
in the area.” (note 20)

A revealing account of the circumstances
under which the British took
control appeared in a 1945 issue of The
Journal of the American Medical
Association: (note 21)

“By negotiations between British and German officers, British
troops took over from the SS and the Wehrmacht the task of
guarding the vast concentration camp at Belsen, a few miles
northwest of Celle, which contains 60,000 prisoners, many of them
political. This has been done because typhus is rampant in the
camp and it is vital that no prisoners be released until the
infection is checked. The advancing British agreed to refrain from
bombing or shelling the area of the camp, and the Germans agreed
to leave behind an armed guard which would be allowed to return to
their own lines a week after the British arrival.

The story of the negotiations is curious. Two German officers
presented themselves before the British outposts and explained
that there were 9,000 sick in the camp and that all sanitation had
failed. They proposed that the British should occupy the camp at
once, as the responsibility was international in the interests of
health. In return for the delay caused by the truce the Germans
offered to surrender intact the bridges over the river Aller.
After brief consideration the British senior officer rejected the
German proposals, saying it was necessary that the British should
occupy an area of ten kilometers round the camp in order to be
sure of keeping their troops and lines of communication away from
the disease. The British eventually took over the camp.”

Brutal Mistreatment

On April 15, 1945, Belsen’s commanders turned over
the camp to British
troops, who lost no time mistreating the SS camp
personnel. The Germans were
beaten with rifle butts, kicked, and stabbed with
bayonets. Most were shot
or worked to death. (note 22)

British journalist Alan Moorehead described
the treatment of some of the
camp personnel shortly after the takeover: (note 23)

“As we approached the cells of the SS guards, the [British]
sergeant’s language become ferocious. “We had had an interrogation
this morning,” the captain said. ‘I’m afraid they are not a pretty
sight.’ … The sergeant unbolted the first door and … strode
into the cell, jabbing a metal spike in front of him. “Get up,” he
shouted. “Get up. Get up, you dirty bastards.” There were half a
dozen men lying or half lying on the floor. One or two were able
to pull themselves erect at once. The man nearest me, his shirt
and face spattered with blood, made two attempts before he got on
to his knees and then gradually on to his feet. He stood with his
arms stretched out in front of him, trembling violently.

“Come on. Get up,” the sergeant shouted [in the next cell]. The
man was lying in his blood on the floor, a massive figure with a
heavy head and bedraggled beard … “Why don’t you kill me?” he
whispered. “Why don’t you kill me? I can’t stand it any more.” The
same phrases dribbled out of his lips over and over again. “He’s
been saying that all morning, the dirty bastard,” the sergeant
said.”

Commandant Kramer, who was vilified in the British
and American press as
“The Beast of Belsen” and “The Monster of
Belsen,” was put on trial and then
executed, along with chief=20physician Dr.
Fritz Klein and other camp
officials. At his trial, Kramer’s defense
attorney, Major T.C.M. Winwood,
predicted: “When the curtain finally rings
down on this stage Josef Kramer
will, in my submission, stand forth not as
‘The Beast of Belsen’ but as ‘The
Scapegoat of Belsen’.” (note 24)

In an “act of revenge,” the British
liberators expelled the residents of the
nearby town of Bergen, and then permitted
camp inmates to loot the houses
and buildings. Much of the town was also
set on fire. (note 25)

Postwar Deaths

There were some 55,000 to 60,000 prisoners
in Bergen-Belsen when the British
took control of the camp. The new administrators
proved no more capable of
mastering the chaos than the Germans had been,
and some 14,000 Jewish
inmates died at Belsen in the months following
the British takeover. (note
26)

Although still occasionally referred to as
an “extermination camp” or “mass
murder” center, the truth about Bergen-Belsen
has been quietly acknowledged
by scholars. (note 27) In his 1978 survey of
German history, University of
Erlangen professor Helmut Diwald wrote
of (note 28)

“… The notorious Bergen-Belsen concentration camp where 50,000
inmates were supposedly murdered. Actually, about 7,000 inmates
died during the period when the camp existed, from 1943 to 1945.
Most of them died in the final months of the war as a result of
disease and malnutrition — consequences of the bombings that had
completely disrupted normal deliveries of medical supplies and
food. The British commander who took control of the camp after the
capitulation testified that crimes on a large scale had not taken
place at Bergen-Belsen.”

Martin Broszat, Director of the Institute for Contemporary History in
Munich, wrote in 1976: (note 29)

“… In Bergen-Belsen, for example, thousands
of corpses of Jewish
prisoners were found by British soldiers on the
day of liberation,
which gave the impression that this was one
of the notorious
extermination camps. Actually, many Jews
in Bergen-Belsen as well
as in the satellite camps of Dachau died in the last weeks before
the end of the war as a result of the quickly improvised
retransfers and evacuations of Jewish workers from the still
existing ghettos, work camps and concentration camps in the East
(Auschwitz) ..

Dr. Russell Barton, an English physician who
spent a month in Bergen-Belsen
after the war with the British Army, has also
explained the reasons for the
catastrophic conditions found there: (note 30)

“Most people attributed the conditions of the inmates to deliberate
intention on the part of the Germans in general and the camp
administrators in particular. Inmates were eager to cite examples
of brutality and neglect, and visiting journalists from different
countries interpreted the situation according to the needs of
propaganda at home.

For example, one newspaper emphasized the wickedness of the
“German masters” by remarking that some of the 10,000 unburied
dead were naked. In fact, when the dead were taken from a hut and
left in the open for burial, other prisoners would take their
clothing from them …

German medical officers told me that it had been increasingly
difficult to transport food to the camp for some months. Anything
that moved on the autobahns was likely to be bombed …

I was surprised to find records, going back for two or three
years, of large quantities of food cooked daily for distribution.
I became convinced, contrary to popular opinion, that there had
never been a policy of deliberate starvation. This was confirmed
by the large numbers of well-fed inmates. Why then were so many
people suffering from malnutrition?… The major reasons for the
state of Belsen were disease, gross overcrowding by central
authority, lack of law and order within the huts, and inadequate
supplies of food, water and drugs.

n trying to assess the causes of the conditions=20found in Belsen
one must be alerted to the tremendous visual display, ripe for
purposes of propaganda, that masses of starved corpses presented.”

Gas Chamber Myths

Some former inmates and a few historians have claimed that Jews were put to
death in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen. For example, an “authoritative” work
published shortly after the end of the war, A History of World War II,
informed readers: “In Belsen, [Commandant] Kramer kept an orchestra to play
him Viennese music while he watched children torn from their mothers to be
burned alive. Gas chambers disposed of thousands of persons daily.” (note
31)

In Jews, God and History, Jewish historian Max Dimont wrote of gassings at
Bergen-Belsen. (note 32) A semi-official work published in Poland in 1981
claimed that women and babies were “put to death in gas chambers” at Belsen.
(note 33)

In 1945 the Associated Press news agency reported: (note 34)

“In Lueneburg, Germany, a Jewish physician, testifying at the trial
of 45 men and women for war crimes at the Belsen and Oswiecim
[Auschwitz] concentration camps, said that 80,000 Jews,
representing the entire ghetto of Lodz, Poland, had been gassed or
burned to death in one night at the Belsen camp.”

Five decades after the camp’s liberation, British army Captain Robert
Daniell recalled seeing “the gas chambers” there. (note 35)

Years after the war, Robert Spitz, a Hungarian Jew, remembered taking a
shower at Belsen in February 1945: “… It was delightful. What I didn’t
know then was that there were other showers in the same building where gas
came out instead of water.” (note 36)

Another former inmate, Moshe Peer, recalled a miraculous escape from death
as an eleven-year-old in the camp. In a 1993 interview with a Canadian
newspaper, the French-born Peer claimed that he “was sent to the [Belsen]
camp gas chamber at least six times.” The newspaper account went on to
relate: “Each time he survived, watching with horror as many of the women
and children gassed with him collapsed and died. To this day, Peer doesn’t
know how he was able to survive.” In an effort to explain the miracle, Peer
mused: “Maybe children resist better, I don’t know.” (Although Peer claimed
that “Bergen-Belsen was worse than Auschwitz,” he acknowledged that he and
his younger brother and sister, who were deported to the camp in 1944, all
somehow survived internment there.) (note 37)

Such gas chamber tales are entirely fanciful. As early as 1960, historian
Martin Broszat had publicly repudiated the Belsen gassing story. These days
no reputable scholar supports it. (note 38)

Exaggerated Death Estimates

Estimates of the number of people who died in Bergen-Belsen have ranged
widely over the years. Many have been irresponsible exaggerations. Typical
is a 1985 York Daily News report, which told readers that “probably 100,000
died at Bergen-Belsen.” (note 39) An official German government publication
issued in 1990 declared that “more than 50,000 people had been murdered” in
the Belsen camp under German control, and “an additional 13,000 died in the
first weeks after liberation.” (note 40)

Closer to the truth is the Encyclopaedia Judaica, which maintains that
37,000 perished in the camp before the British takeover, and another 14,000
afterwards. (note 41)

Whatever the actual number of dead, Belsen’s victims were not “murdered,”
and the camp was not an “extermination” center.

Black Market Center

>From 1945 until 1950, when it was finally shut down, the British maintained
Belsen as a camp for displaced European Jews. During this period it achieved
new notoriety as a major European black market center. The “uncrowned king”
of Belsen’s 10,000 Jews was Yossl (Josef) Rosensaft, who amassed tremendous
profits from the illegal trading. Rosensaft had been interned in various
camps, including Auschwitz, before arriving in Belsen in early April 1945.
(note 42)

British Lieutenant General Sir Frederick Morgan, chief of “displaced
persons” operations in postwar Germany for the United Nations relief
organization UNRRA recalled in his memoir that (note 43)

“under Zionist auspices there had been organized at Belsen a vast
illegitimate trading organization with worldwide ramifications and
dealing in a wide range of goods, principally precious metals and
stones. A money market dealt with a wide range of currencies.
Goods were being imported in cryptically marked containers
consigned in UNRRA shipments to Jewish voluntary agencies …”

Legacy

A kind of memorial center now draws many tourists annually to the camp site.
Not surprisingly, Bergen’s 13,000 residents are not very pleased with their
town’s infamous reputation. Citizens report being called “murderers” during
visits to foreign countries. (note 44)

In striking contrast to the widely-accepted image of Belsen, which is
essentially a product of hateful wartime propaganda, is the suppressed,
albeit grim, historical reality. In truth, the Bergen-Belsen story may be
regarded as the Holocaust story in miniature.

Notes

1. Walter Laqueur, The Terrible Secret: Suppression of the Truth about
Hitler’s ‘Final Solution’ (Boston: Little Brown, 1980), p. 1.
2. Testimony of Commandant Kramer in: Raymond Phillips, ed., Trial of
Josef Kramer and Forty-Four Others (The Belsen Trial) (London: William
Hodge, 1949), p. 160; “Bergen-Belsen,” Encyclopaedia Judaica (New York
and Jerusalem: Macmillan and Keter, 1971), Vol. 4, p. 610. According to
this source, one group of 136 of these “exchange Jews” was deported
from Belsen during the war to neutral Switzerland, and another group of
222 was transferred to Palestine.; According to an Israeli newspaper
report, a group of 222 “exchange” Jews reportedly left Bergen-Belsen on
June 29, 1944, and, by way of Istanbul, arrived in Palestine on July
10. (Israel Nachrichten, quoted in: D. National-Zeitung, Munich, Sept.
23, 1994, p. 5)
3. Sylvia Rothchild, ed., Voices from the Holocaust (New York: NAL, 1981),
p. 190.
4. Josef Kramer statement (1945) in: R. Phillips, Trial of Josef Kramer
and Forty-Four Others, pp. 731-737. This is also in: Arthur Butz, The
Hoax of the Twentieth Century (Newport Beach: Institute for Historical
Review, 1993), pp. 272-274.
5. R. Phillips, Trial of Josef Kramer and Forty-Four Others, pp. 19, 32,
33; Roman Hrabar, with Zofia Tokarz and J. E. Wilczur, The Fate of
Polish Children During the Last War (Warsaw: Interpress, 1981), p.
76.
6. Encyclopaedia Judaica, Vol. 4, p. 610; Gedenkbuch: Opfer der Verfolgung
der Juden unter der nationsozialistischen Gewaltherrschaft (Koblenz:
Bundesarchiv, 1986; 2 vols.), pp. 1761-1762.
7. Testimony of Dr. Russell Barton, Feb. 7, 1985, in the first “Holocaust”
trial of Ernst Z=FCndel. Official trial transcript, pp. 2916-2917; See
also Barton’s testimony during the second, 1988 Z=FCndel trial in:
Barbara Kulaszka, ed., Did Six Million Really Die? (Toronto: Samisdat,
1992), p. 175, and, Robert Lenski, The Holocaust on Trial: The Case of
Ernst Z=FCndel (Decatur, Ala.: Reporter Press, 1990), p. 159.
8. Testimony of Commandant Kramer in: R. Phillips, Trial of Josef Kramer
and Forty-Four Others, p. 162.
9. Josef Kramer statement (1945) in: R. Phillips, ed., Trial of Josef
Kramer and Forty-Four Others, pp. 731-737. Also in: A. Butz, The Hoax
of the Twentieth Century, p. 274.
10. Derrick Sington, Belsen Uncovered (London: 1946), pp. 117-118. Quoted
in: A. Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, pp. 34-35; Gerald
Reitlinger, The Final Solution (London: Sphere Books, pb., 1971), p.
504 (note).
11. R. Phillips, ed., Trial of Josef Kramer and Forty-Four Others, pp.
152-153, 166-167, 734, 736; Tom Bower, Blind Eye to Murder (London:
Granada, 1983), p. 224; Dr. Ernst von Briesen, “Was passierte in
Bergen-Belsen wirklich?,” D. National-Zeitung (Munich), Jan. 13, 1984,
pp. 4, 5, 8.
12. G.Reitlinger, The Final Solution, p. 497 (and 638, n. 23).
13. Andre Biss, A Million Jews to Save (New York: A.S. Barnes, 1975),
pp.= 20 242, 249-250; Felix Kersten, The Kersten Memoirs, 1940-1945 (New
York= :
Macmillan, 1957), p. 276.
14. Martin Gilbert, The Holocaust (New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston,
1986), pp. 722, 785-786.
15. R. Phillips, ed., Trial of Josef Kramer and Forty-Four Others, pp.
163-166.
16. Signed report by retired Colonel (Oberst a.D.) Hanns Schmidt to Kurt
Mehner and Lt. Colonel Bechtold, Braunschweig, March 3, 1981. Photocopy
in authors collection.

Article by Mark Weber.

For once I am quoting a revisionist, simply because the article is
so well-researched

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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >

>
> I’ll again call you a hypocrite

What else is new? Name-calling seems to be about
the only thing you CAN do…..

. If you’re so upset about incorrect
> figures,

I’m not in the least bit “upset”. The Holocaust figures
are fabrications, and these posts are proving it.

then you should correct them, instead of constantly whining about
> them.

It is you who is whining. Your Holocaust promoters are
turning out to be liars.

That you choose to take this route shows again that you have no real
> interest in the truth,

It is you who fears the truth…..

nor do you have any evidence whatsoever which would
> contradict the FACT of the HOLOCAAUST.

Whatever that is…..

In any event, you’re still a liar,
> since my accusation was that you HAD NO PROOF that the DISCOVERY CHANNEL
> was KNOWINGLY MISLEADING THE PUBLIC.

I said either knowingly or irresponsibly….

Since you have yet to properly address
> this claim with either proof or a retraction, that makes you (still) a
> liar. You’re also a liar because of the distortion you present above
> regarding the claim I made.

Sure, Raj, sure….
>
> With respect to setting the publishers ‘straight’, I’d suggest that if you
> are so concerned about this figure then you take the time to correct the
> publishers

Nope. Not interested. You claim to be an apostle
of truth, so keep your word, and contact these perpetrators
of fraud.

f you want me to do it, you’ll have to e-mail me a digitized
> picture of the offending article, from the most recent edition. (By the
> way, you failed to mention what year the 11th edition is from.)

Nope. I post what I post. Visit a library. I’m sure you’ll
find a copy there. BTW, I mentioned the year already-1961.
>
>>>>

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> [email protected] writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > [email protected] (Bodhisattva) writes:
> > > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
> > >
> > > > > [email protected] (Bodhisattva) writes:
> > > > > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Your argument is a non-sequitor.
> > > > > > By the way, NO group of people paraphrase and quote out of context more
> > > > > than supporters
> > > > > > of the Holocaust.
> > > > >
> > > > > All this from someone who has never read Spinoza (or anything else that is
> > > > > not John Grisham)
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>
> > > > Who is John Grisham? I have read Spinoza, as well as Marx, Nietzsche,
> > > Hegel, Kant,
> > > > Schopenhauer, Spencer, Darwin, Bertrand Russell, John Stuart Mill, Henry
> > > Thoreau,
> > > > Voltaire, etc. among others. Now, what is your point?
> > >
> > > Sure you have, pal. Sure you have.
> >
> > One person I haven’t read is John Grisham.
> > Better luck next time.
> > >
> > >>>>
> Damn, I think I went to school with those guys in Cleveland.
>
>>>>
Did they “deny” the Holocaust too?

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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>

> The request was to post his comments in the Simpson Report or
> testimony under oath. You have not even quoted him directly. You gave a
> hearsay account of a speech before a Rotary Club.
>
> –YFE
>
>>His speech was quoted verbatim. Live with it.>>

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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> # I already posted something concerning Ehlert’s comments and
> # testimony a while back.
>
> Yes. You speculated that she lied when she said Kramer told
> her, regarding the Belsen inmates, “let them die, why should
> you care”.
>
> Any proof that she lied? Of course not.
>
> You seem to have a serious crush on Kramer. You obviously believe
> he’s a reliable witness. Right?
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
He is a better witness than you are a historian.

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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
>

>
> I think that the overall thrust of your posts create the impression
> that you deny the historicity of the Holocaust, and I think you
> dislike being called a “denier” because it places you among the kooks,
> crackpots, and cultists who so grandly title themselves
> “revisionists.” Your careless use of phrases like “the collapsing
> Holocaust story” does nothing to change that impression.
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
>

>
>>>>
Perhaps not, but it is indeed collapsing. It took 50 years
before the fabricated figure of 4 million “gassed” at Auschwitz
was finally chiseled out of the massive stone slabs adorning the
entrance of the Auschwitz museum, where the Pope genuflected
in the 1980’s. The figure was based on a Soviet LIE, which was
propagated irresponsibly throughout the world, and all the rationalizing
in the world will not change this fact.

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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> : Prove they killed 90% of Poland’s Jews. You are ignoring
> : the fact that the majority of Italy’s Jews, as well as Hungary’s
> : were not deported as well. I fail to see the connection, then,
> : with an intent to exterminate all the Jews who fell within the
> : Nazi orbit.
>
> Almost no Jews were deported from Denmark; you forgot to include that
> with your “evidence.”
>
> The Nazis were not omnipotent, Mr. Belling. They had to maintain
> control of the countries within their orbit, and they couldn’t risk
> fractured alliances or general revolt while they were in the midst
> of a war. They acted with great brutality when it suited their
> purpose, and they employed diplomacy when that worked. In some
> countries, there was resistance to the deportation of Jews, and
> the Jews of these countries suffered less.
>
> Even in the Reich itself and in Poland, the Nazis couldn’t simply
> march through the streets shooting every Jew they saw. There were
> appearances to be maintained and logistics to work out. There was
> war-related labor to be gotten out of the Jews before they were
> disposed of. There were Germans–even prominent Nazis–who continually
> intervened for “favored” Jews. The details of the Nazi racial
> pseudoscience had to be nailed down, so that it could be determined
> who was Jewish enough to need killing. If Hitler had been a magician,
> perhaps he could have made all the Jews disappear. If he had been
> a divine king in the tradition of ancient Egypt or Mayan America,
> perhaps he could have ordered the destruction of the Jews and seen
> it carried out in a short. He was, however, merely a politically
> talented madman, and he had to deal with reality. It wasn’t his
> fault so many Jews survived–he really did do his best, Mr. Belling.
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
You did your best too, but it just doesn’t cut it……
rb

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> [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) writes:

(Irrelevant drivel)
>
>>>>
But the lie of 4 million Jewish “gassed” at Auschwitz
was officially chiseled out of the massive slabs in front
of the Auschwitz Museum in 1994! Let’s talk about that
one for a while.

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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > The fact that European Jewry was not exterminated has nothing to do with
> > > whether the Nazis _tried_ to exterminate European Jewry. But you knew
> > > that.
> >
> > I have to disagree with that one completely.
> > If it had been their intention to exterminate the Jews
> > within their sphere of control, then there would not
> > have been a survivor left. The very fact that only
> > 25% of France’s Jewish population was ever deported
> > disproves your thesis.
>
> His position is that the fact that the Nazi’s failed in their attempt to
> kill all the Jews does not negate the fact of their intent.
>
> Your claim is that their failure does indeed negate the fact of their
> intent. Your leap of logic is idiotic at best. Because Hitler failed (as he
> always did) to achieve his goal, that doesn’t mean that he didn’t try to do
> it.
>
>>>>
And you are left with the fact that 75% of France’s
Jews were untouched…….

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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>

>

>
> No. Ire ferred you to a pathologist’s report rendered by a medical expert.
> You refused to look it up.

Don’t change the subject. You will only embarrass yourself.

Nysili’s deposition in 1945
>

I have the Lifton book, but I am not interested in a
deposition from a person who never testified to his
comments in a trial. Also, there still is no proof that
this person ever existed.
>
> You really are a rather lazy researcher.

You speak of lazy researchers? Where are the toxicological tests
you claimed were done on alleged gassing victims at dachau,
which you claimed to have?
>
> > > > I haven’t made criminal accusations against people.
>
>
> > > You most certainly have. As one example you have, falsely, accused
> > > the investigators of the Malmedy massacre of phsyically torturing German
> soldiers to
> > > extract confessions.
>
> > And I will state it again-it is true.
>
> Exactly. Now prove it. Start with the Simpson Report and prove that it is
> in error.

Your Simpson reprt was a whitewash. What Judge van Roden said was
the truth.
>
>

>
>>>>

From [email protected] Fri Oct 11 09:06:56 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it…
Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:34:12 GMT
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
>
> >> [email protected] wrote:
>
> snip]
>
> >> >Why don’t you just deal with the documents, rather than stumpy
> >> >or anyone else. This is one of your main faults and your weakest
> >> >points….you NEVER deal with uncomfortable documentation which
> >> >shows you to possess double standards. If the material is false, simply
> >> >say so and prove WHY.
>
> >> What documents? All I have seen are little snippets of quotes from
> >> unknown documents.
>
> >> Perhaps if you provided the promised footnotes?
>
> >I’ll post them. Then what?
>
> Then someone, possibly myself if I have time, will check to see if you
> have quoted accurately without deleting relevant information that
> might give a different meaning to what you have posted.
>
> Until then, all you have posted are unsubstantiated and unverifiable
> allegations.
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://www.nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
They are now posted under: “Let’s not be beastly to the
Sources”. After you research them and discover that they
have been quoted correctly, I hope to hear from you.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 11 09:06:57 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: THE MANY-FACED ILYA EHRENBURG
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >Please don’t attempt to second guess me, Mr. Morris.
> >It is condescending. I never made any of the above
> >statements as you wrote. I would think an apology is
> >in order.
>
> And don’t you presume to dictate to me what inferences and conclusions
> I can draw from what you say.
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
> —

>
>>>>
Your inferences and conclusions are false,
and you still owe me an apology, but
apparently are not man enough to give it.
That’s all right though-apologies only account
for the evils which they cannot alter.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 11 09:06:58 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it…
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 11:55:39 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> :>
> :> If the material is false, simply
> :>> :>say so and prove WHY.
> :>>
> :>> Another dodge, Mr. “Blackmore”. Do you _ever_ rationalize your opinions, or
> :>> are you just a bot? I was right about Stumpy, wasn’t I? Embarrassed? Still
> :>> claim you don’t use “revisionist” sources?
>
> :>I am not in the least embarrassed. How do you know
> :>where Stumpy got them from? I will post the sources
> :>tomorrow. They are not “revisionist”. I won’t disappoint
> :>you……Then you will deal with it, right?
>
> Sure you will. I know where Stumpy got them (I also note you now admit you
> use “revisionist” sources after having denied it).
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
What “revisionist” sources did I use? You also neglected
to point out that I do not condemn sources because they come
>from revisionists. I simply do not post them often. Perhaps
I will start. If their sources are accurate, there is no reason
not to.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 11 09:06:59 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Kramer on the half-shell
Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:39:11 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>
(Irrelevant meanderings snipped)
> 1) Why was the death rate in the “work camps” as high as 10
> percent a month (!!) as early as 1942?
>
> 2) If the infrastructure collapsed, one would expect deaths
> from starvation, thirst, typhus etc to occur in an EVEN
> fashion. But the death rate among the inmates was so much
> higher than for everybody else. How come?
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>
>>>>
More of Dan’s equivocating. Typhus was ALWAYS a
problem in the camps, and the administration was always
having to contend with it. They did not have the benefit
of DDT as we did here.

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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> >
>
> This seems to be what he has progressed to in his massive output. His
> posts mostly consist of variations on the theme: look elsewhere. The
> trouble is that there really isn’t anywhere to look.
>
>
>
>>>>
Well, we won’t be looking YOUR way if we are interested
in the truth.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 11 09:07:00 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> >> >It must be clearly understood that the entire Holocaust-gassing myths
> >> > stands and falls with the “confession” of Rudolf Hoess, one-time
> >> > commandant of Auschwitz – an Allied prisoner who was sadistically
> >> > tortured.
> >>
> >> I’m sure you would *like* that to be “clearly understood”. That is,
> >> however, utter bullshit.
> >>
> >>>>>
> >Right. Like you are some kind of demi-god sent here to pontificate
> >for the rest of us.
>
> You’ve documented the “torture” of Hoess–the Allies made him sit
> in a courtroom festooned with U.S. flags. If you have better
> references, don’t hesitate to post them. In the meantime, perhaps
> you will refrain from pontificating on what “must be clearly
> understood”.
>
>
>>>>
They have been posted many times over. Learn to
browse a bit.

From [email protected] Fri Oct 11 09:07:01 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: RBLACKMORE LIES AGAIN… Re: Add this one to the “Discovery Channel”
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > > No. Can’t go to all the trouble. Contact the publishers.
>
> > > I already have.
>
> > Good. By the way, I have another one for you to contact…..it is posted.
>
> Hypocrite. If you’re so interested in contacting these people for their
> alleged incorrect statements, you do it, instead of whining so much. By the
> way, you still have yet to provide me with a valid explanation for the
> following:
>
> In a recent email, later posted to the Usenet, you made the following claim
> about the SWC:
>
> “What do you say to the fact that many Jewish publications also quoted
> this 4,000,000 figure for YEARS until the research made primarily by
> revisionist scholars embarrassed the hell out of them. Why did the Simon
> Wiesenthal Center keep silent on this figure until recently? Could MONEY
> have anything to do with it?”
>
> You have yet to answer the following questions without prevarication:
>
> (1) why you made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding the SWC
> (2) where is the proof for the following:
> (a) that the SWC promoted the figure of 4 million knowing it was wrong
> (b) that this was done for money
> (3) when you can’t provide that proof, you are requested to revist part
> 1 and supply the truth.
>
>>>>
I already answered this ages ago. Why do you keep
re-posting the same nonsense?

From [email protected] Fri Oct 11 09:07:01 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> The previous Friday [April 26, 1946], Streicher had made a
> perfect ass of himself on the stand. He beamed foolishly,
> as if glorying in the attention. He interrupted [his defense
> attorney Hans] Marx so often that the lawyer asked the court
> if he might be relieved of the case. The British cross-examiner,
> the aristocratic Mervyn Griffith-Jones, tore Streicher apart
> with a rapier tongue. At one point Griffith-Jones noted that
> Streicher, in _Der Stuermer_ had referred to the Jews as “a
> nation of bloodsuckers and extortionists,” and asked, “Do you
> think that’s preaching racial hatred?” “No,” Streicher answered.
> “It is not preaching hatred. It is just a statement of fact.”
>
> –Joseph Persico, _Nuremberg: Infamy on Trial_
> (Harmondsworth: Penguin, 1995) 331.
>
> Where have I heard Streicher’s answer before?
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta

]
>
>>>>
Was it something you said?

From [email protected] Fri Oct 11 09:07:02 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> >From: The Pictorial History of the Jewish People,
> >> >by Nathan Ausubel, Crown Publishers, N.Y., 1961,
> >> >ELEVENTH PRINTING.
>
> Oh, get off it. If a popularization by a non-specialist issued by a
> trade publisher makes a mistake, most people refer to it as poorly
> researched. You, on the other hand, seem to see a big conspiracy to
> pull the wool over all our eyes.
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta

Give us a break. Deal with the lies you defend.
The fact is that you can still find this book in any
major library and this publication went through many more editions
than 11, always repeating the same old falsehood,
along with your Auschwitz Museum Shrine, and hundreds
of other publications and “documentaries”. Shall I continue
to quote other sources? Yes, I shall, so everyone may
see the fraud you promote and defend, rather than
admitting these people and agencies were in negligent
error. Of course, once you admit that, then everyone will
ask, “Well, if they misrepresented this, what ELSE have they
misrepresented?” If you can’t believe the messengers, how
can you believe the message?

From [email protected] Sat Oct 12 10:53:22 PDT 1996
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Subject: Rosa Lopez vs Ada Bimko
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Those of us who followed the Simpson trial will
undoubtedly remember the testimony of Rosa
Lopez, when she stated thet No meant yes and
yes meant no. Now, let us compare the testimony
of Ada Bimko during the Belsen trial, where she
evidently assumed that a man is a woman and a
woman a man. Bear in mind that this woman claimed
to be a physician:

Ms. Bimko cross-examined by Captain Phillips:

Q: “You say this man jumped up out of the kitchen
and shot a woman. What sort of gun did he mur-
der the woman with?

A: It was a revolver. He fired two shots from only a few
yards away.

Q: Was there any reason for his doing this?

A: The only reason was because he saw the woman
bent down to get some potato peelings or some
other vegetables.

Q: Did you examine the woman after she was wounded?

A: Yes, I did, and I had to state the cause of death.

Q: After the liberation you remember making statements
which were put down in writing. Were these statements
read over to you after they had been written down?

A: Yes.

Q: In what language were you questioned?

A: German.

Q: How many statements did you make in all?

A: Three.

Q: Do you remember now what you said then
concerning this incident?

A: Yes. I said then what I say now.

Q: I propose to read you part of the first of these
statements: “On the day before the British troops
arrived at Belsen, I saw Karl Francioh, who was a cook,
shoot a man internee dead for stealing vegetables.”

(Somone better fire the cook!-rb)

Q: How did you know this man’s name?

A: I did not know the name then.

Q: “I witnesses this shooting, and because I was a
doctor I immediately went to see if I could do any-
thing for him.”

A: It was a woman.

Q: “I saw he was dead, having been shot through the
stomach.” When you made the first statement how did
you know this man’s name?

A: I never knew the name of this man. I knew that he was
in charge of that particular kitchen. I was shown some
photographs (!rb) and out of these I picked this man out.
Maybe those people who showed me the photographs
knew the name of that particular photograph and maybe
they put it in.

Q: You made three statements, the first dated 9th May. When
you made that first statement were you shown the photographs?

A: Later-not at that time. When I gave this declaration I never
mentioned the name of the man because I did not know him.
When I made the first declaration I did not sign on the spot,
and only later on, when I had been shown the photographs,
did I sign, but even then I did not know personally the name of
that man.

Q: What explanation do you produce of the fact that you referred
to this man shooting a woman, whereas in your affadavit you
refer to him shooting a man?

(Perhaps the cook did a quick sex change with one of those
Jinsu knives?-rb)

A: I have always said it was a woman; it is quite impossible
I should have said it was a man.

Q: I am suggesting that this whole incident is imaginary. What
do you say about that?

A: Then I would say that it is a lie, because I saw it myself.

END OF QUOTES.
QUOTES TAKEN FROM: “The Belsen Trial, pg. 75,76.

COMMENT: Indeed it was a lie, and she was the liar. On such
“eyewitness testimony” the Holocaust is based. We will be
hearing more from Ms. Bimko later.

rb

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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
>
> > Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis “admissions”
> were secured:
> > British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949. _Washington Daily
> News_,
> > January 9th, 1949,
>
> Written before the public release of the Simpson Report. The quoted
> statements are found nowhere in the report.
>
> > Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army
> Commission subseqently
> > appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.
>
> The Simpson Report found that the allegations of physical brutality
> against the Malmedy defendants (and the investigation was limited to those trials)
> were unfounded. No medical evidence of such torture was found when the
> persons making those allegations were examined.
>
> –YFE
>
>
>>>>
I wonder why the Judges actual comments were
deleted from the report? Could it have been a
COVER-UP?

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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
>
> YFE noted as a matter of fact:
>
>
> > > There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that
> > >4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.
>
> > You mean the sign that the Simon Wiesenthal page refers to never
> > was?
>
> Odd question from a person who quotes frequently from a book which
> devoted 60 pages to the controversy over Auschwitz. Apparently he is unaware
> of statement on the placque. But since Moran has a well documented problem
> with reading any statement more complex than “See Spot run. Run, Spot, Run.”
> with comprehension, perhaps he will quote from the SWC do the rest of us can
> point out the rather simple error he has made.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
For the record there were actually 19 of these
massive stone slabs in front of Auschwitz which
publicly had the false figure of 4,000,000 Jewish
dead chisled out in July 1990.

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Subject: Re: BUCHENWALD: LEGEND AND REALITY
Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:11:49 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> https://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
>
> buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg:
> Emaciated corpses of the inmates.
>
> buchenwald02.jpg:
> Artifacts made from corpses of inmates.
>
> shrunken.jpg:
> The shrunken head of an inmate.
>
> buchenwald04.jpg:
> German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops
> have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how
> well-dressed and well-fed they are.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Danny and his photo collection again. Shrunken heads,
artifacts made from diseased corpses, emaciated inmates
suffering from disease……I feel sorry for you Danny. Oh,
I almost forgot the civilians-shall we discuss what happened
to many of them when the allies released hordes of criminals
>from the camps to rape, plunder, and murder?

From [email protected] Sat Oct 12 10:53:25 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: 12 Oct 1996 06:17:19 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
> >
> > (Irrelevant drivel)
> > >
> > >>>>
> > But the lie of 4 million Jewish “gassed” at Auschwitz
> > was officially chiseled out of the massive slabs in front
> > of the Auschwitz Museum in 1994! Let’s talk about that
> > one for a while.
> >
> >>>>
> There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that
> 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
You stepped in it that time. The inscription clearly
stated that 4 million Jews died in Auschwitz. Whether
gassed or shot, or from disease, the LIE remains the same.

From [email protected] Sat Oct 12 10:53:26 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Julius Streicher – PORNOGRAPHER
Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:24:12 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >I never enrolled in your phoney history class.
>
> LOL! It shows.
>
>

>
>>>>
Thank God!

From [email protected] Sat Oct 12 10:53:27 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:20:21 GMT
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
>

>
>
> British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949. _Washington Daily News_,
> January 9th, 1949,
>
> Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army Commission subseqently
> appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.
>
> Kurt Stele
>
>
>>>>
Judge Van Roden said even more. I will post it
soon.

From [email protected] Sat Oct 12 10:53:28 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:21:43 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >….If you are
> >> >> >going to produce a credible witness, at least prove he exists!
> >> >>
> >> >> He’s dead.
> >> >
> >> >Prove he ever lived. This mystery witness who never gave
> >> >testimony before a court.
> >>
> >> He had a wife. I guess she wasn’t really married to anyone.
> >
> >
> >This “man” never responded to anyone. He’s a
> >figment of your imagination, or somebody’s
> >imagination…
>
> Lots of people’s imaginations apparently since he was known by others
> who worked with him. He gave a deposition. Just because he chose not
> to correspond with Butz, doesn’t mean he didn’t exist. You must do
> better than this. Hell, you don’t even exist in your present state,
> but I’ll bet you’d object to that.
>
>
> Mike Curtis E-mail [email protected]

>
>>>>
Right. I am a figment of your imagination.

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Kramer on the half-shell
Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:28:17 GMT
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>
> >belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.
>
> doesn’t prove extermination by gassing.
>
> >belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.
>
> doesn’t prove extermination by gassing.
>
> >belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.
>
> doesn’t prove extermination by gassing.
>
> >belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen.
>
> doesn’t prove extermination by gassing.
>
> >belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen.
>
> doesn’t prove extermination by gassing.
>
> Kurt Stele
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>
No it doesn’t. But for the record, Kramer was ACCUSED
of building a gas chamber by mendacious witnesses. What
Kramer had done in actuality was construct barracks to
house people in the already over-crowded camp.

From [email protected] Sat Oct 12 10:53:29 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it, Part 2.
Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:26:18 GMT
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>

(snip)
>
>
>
> Mike Curtis E-mail [email protected]
>

>
>>>>
The sources you referred to are now posted under
“Let’s not be Beastly to the Sources”.

From [email protected] Sat Oct 12 10:53:30 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
Date: 12 Oct 1996 07:07:48 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
> # [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>
> ## You seem to have a serious crush on Kramer. You obviously
> ## believe he’s a reliable witness. Right?
>
> # He is a better witness than you are a historian.
>
> Don’t evade the question. You have accepted Kramer’s testimony
> about Belsen. That means you believe he’s a reliable witness.
>
> Yes or no? It’s very simple.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
I believe he told the truth, and his statements were
proved by other evidence. I still insist he was a
victim of circumstances beyond his contol.

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: The Holocaust-What a scam!
Date: 12 Oct 1996 08:16:45 GMT
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> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:

> I suggest you start with Daniel Goldhagen’s book
> Sara
>
> —
> “I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy.”
> Samuel Butler
>
>
>>>>
If you recommend Goldhagen, I might just as well
recommend Streicher. They are two peas in a pod.

From [email protected] Sat Oct 12 10:53:31 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: We Three-Bergen Belsen, Brian Harmon, and Me
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> >> The following photos are in
> >>
> >> h
> >/
> >>
> >> Kramer.jpg: Joseph Kramer, who served as commandant of Auschwitz
> >> II (Birkenau) and later Belsen.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Danny Keren.
> >
> >And what does this prove Danny? That the sick died from disease
> >and typhus? It should be noted that when the British were occupying
> >India during the 20’s and 30’s, MILLIONS died from disease and starvation.
> >What did the British do to help the people of India? Why didn’t they help
> >the people of India? Why couldn’t they help the people of India? Ask
> >Kramer-he was in a similar situation.
>
> This is another nonsequitor.
>
> We are dealing with holocaust history here and not India.
>
>
>
>>>>
You did not answer the questions. The similes are apropos.

From [email protected] Sat Oct 12 10:53:32 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: THE MANY-FACED ILYA EHRENBURG
Date: 11 Oct 1996 12:02:58 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> >You’re missing the point as well. how about adressing the
> >millions of crimes committed against the German people
> >by the allies?
>
> Please tell me where I can find these “millions of crimes”
> enumerated. I am aware that Germans suffered after the war. When
> a government launches an aggressive, unprovoked, treaty-breaking
> war, its people can expect to suffer somewhere down the line,
> whether they deserve it or not. Considering how little resistance
> the Nazi government encountered from the German people, frankly,
> I’m afraid that in large part they did deserve it.

Especially the children, right?
>
> The Allies were responsible for the forced resettlement of ethnic
> Germans from various parts of Eastern Europe such as the Sudeten
> and Danzig/Gdansk. Considering how these populations were used as
> an excuse by Hitler for aggression, this is understandable,

I would not refer to these to occasions as aggression….it was
definitely the will of the overwhelming majority of these two
ethnic German cities to unite with the mother country.

but I
> agree that innocents suffered and that this is given less
> attention than it should be.

Yes.

(I’m most familiar with it through
> the movie of Gunter Grass’s THE TIN DRUM, which I’m sure
> relatively few Americans have seen–I don’t know if it’s even
> been dubbed, since I saw it in the original German with Dutch
> subtitles.) I do find this small stuff compared to the Holocaust,

But that is only because all we ever seem to hear about
is the Holocaust.

> but if you want to post details to convince us all otherwise, go
> to it.

You might not find their sufferings so small if
you could locate the following books:

1. German Documents on the Expulsion (Four volumes)
2. Silesian Inferno—Friedrich Grau
3. An Eye for an Eye–John Sack
4. The last ten days-John Toland
5. Ruins of the Reich-Douglas Botting

The above books may be obtained in most libraries
or through inter-library loan. Eye for an Eye is still
in print and can probably be ordered through the
internet. It may also be available at your library.

>
>
) I would say that the Western (not
> Soviet) occupation of Germany was generally among the most humane
> in history,

I disagree, but only because I have probably read more on a virtually
surpressed subject in our country, as well as
hearing many first hand accounts. I have read many
German books on this subject which would otherwise
be difficult for most people to access here, due to
language barriers.

> I object to the suffering of Germans being used as a tool to
> deflect attention from the Holocaust, which seems to be how
> you’re using it here and how it usually enters the discussion on
> this newsgroup.

That is not my intention. What I am seeking is a balanced
account of this period in history.

Are you *at least* as outraged by the mass murder
> of Jews by Nazis as you are by the mistreatment of Germans by the
> Allies?

Yes, but I would change the word “mistreatment” to mass murder.
>
>
>>>>

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel
Date: 12 Oct 1996 08:35:15 GMT
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (John Morris) wrote:
>
> > And what, pray, would you like me to do about it? Round them up and
> > burn them? Firebomb the publisher? Write to every library carrying a
> > mistaken or poorly researched book and ask them to withdraw them from
> > their shelves?
>
> That is exactly what he/she wants. Rblackmore/JBelling lacks any
> substantive proof regard his/her claims about the validity of the
> Holocaust. Nor does he/she have any proof to substantiate his/her claims
> about the Simon Wisenthal Center, the Discovery Channel, or about Hoess.
> He/she’d rather prevaricate, lie, and avoid answering the questions.
>
>>>>
Sounds like you are talking about yourself again, Raj.
Keep talking-I assure you no one is listening anymore.

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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> >> You are incorrect. Nysli was known to other physicians at Auschwitz.
> >> Further he gave a deposition in 1945.
>
> >Gave a deposition to whom? Where did he testify?
> >BTW that is not the proof I asked for. Similarly I
> >asked for the toxicological test results from the
> >alleged gassing victims at Dachau and you refer
> >me to someone’s “testimony”.
>
> Come on, you know these Holocausters can’t produce any physical evidence? If they had it,
> they would give it. But they don’t of course. Their Hoax is propped up on that
> time-honored pillar of “eyewitness testimony” — you know, the kind which claims that
> Nazis used steaming to kill people, and that Nazis tore live babies apart with their bare
> hands, and was able to hear maniaclal laughter over the sound of machine guns — real
> “reliable” stuff like that.

Oh, I know. I just want other people to see it for themselves.

rb
>
>

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> [snip – blackmore’s claim that Hoess was sadistically tortured deleted.]
>
> > They have been posted many times over. Learn to browse a bit.
>
> Since I seen the ‘proof’ that you posted, and since I have seen it refuted
> time and time again, perhaps you will tell us now what new evidence you
> have to support your claim, other than a picture, which by your own
> admission clearly demonstrates nothing, save that Hoess may have been a bit
> nervous and anxious, and of course the famous thiry party recitation of a
> statement allegedly made by Clark, in Butler’s book – which is heresay at
> best.
>
>>>>
Oh, Gandhi, how you lie. The admission comes directly
>from the lips of the man who tortured Hoess….now, once
again, from his lips to your ears: Hoess was brutally tortured.
By the way, have you viewed the photo I recommended to
you yet? Ah, I thought not. Such professionalism.
rb

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Subject: Re: More on Goring’s Commission to Heydrich
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>
> >I have posted scores of examples concerning the torture of germans
> >to obtain false confessions.
>
> [snip]
>
> But no verifiable references.
>

>
>>>>
They are posted. The ball is now in your corner.
If you are seriously interested in seeking the truth,
knock and you shall receive.

From [email protected] Sat Oct 12 10:53:35 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] (Mike
> Curtis) writes:
> :>
> :>[email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:
> :>
>
> :>>You have posted no facts that make anything true–just your assertions. You
> :>>can wish that just saying something made it true, but real life is not like
> :>>that. Of course, deniers do have problems with real life.
> :>>
> :>
> :>I must say that you have taken over Belling/Blackmore/Whoever pretty
> :>well. I pretty nearly am left with nothing to say after reading your
> :>replies. So I guess from now on just assume that I second your
> :>assertions to Belling/Blackmore/Whoever. He can also, for what it is
> :>worth. This way, what we both would say, gets said once. Thanks.
>
> You are welcome, sir. He isn’t really much of a challenge. He shed his
> veneer of civility and lapsed into the denier snit syndrome more quickly than
> I had expected.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
One thing I can’t deny is your lickspittle
servility to Nizkor.

From [email protected] Sat Oct 12 10:53:36 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Apology to Nizkor & Jamie M.
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> [email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >You have posted no sources for Streicher and Frank having been tortured at
> >Nuremberg. You obviously know nothing of Frank’s behaviour at Nuremberg.
>
> Actually, Streicher did claim during his testimony at Nuremberg that
> he was tortured. The claim was so patently ridiculous that even his
> defense attorney, Hans Marx, would not take up the issue.
>
> Of course, Mr. Blackmore did not know that, or he would have posted
> the claim as “evidence.”
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://www.nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
The fact is, Mr. Morris, that the tribunal refused to
hear the evidence of Streicher’s torture, as it would
have required a full scale investigation. However,
Werner Maser does an admirable job of relating the
facts. By the way, not only was Streicher subjected to
torture, but his wife as well. Maser may also be referred
to in regards to Hans Frank’s torture. I suggest you read
the sources I have followed. Streicher’s torture was typical
of the tortures meted out to germans during de-naizification
proceedings. To read more and see how similar these actions
were as a matter of policy, see my posts re: “Let’s not be
beastly to the Germans.”

rb

From [email protected] Sat Oct 12 10:53:37 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> :>>
> :>
> :>> :>>
> :>> :>> Trust me, I believe very little I read on the Zuendel site. In fact, I rarely
> :>> :>> look at the Zuendel site, preferring to concentrate on the truth.
> :>>
> :>> :>Now why don’t you try TELLING the truth?
> :>>
> :>> Sorry to have shown you up, Mr. “Blackmore”, but that’s what happens when you
> :>> post denier bullshit that you are unable to back up. But you don’t need to
> :>> get so testy.
> :>>
> :>> —
> :>> Gord McFee
> :>> I’ll write no line before its time
> :>>
> :>>
> :>>>>>
> :>Has Mark Van Alstine given you your
> :>doggy treat today?
>
> I notice you did not deny that you post denier bullshit that you can’t back
> up. Thank you for being so candid.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
But I am not a “denier”.

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> :>> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] (Mike
> :>> Curtis) writes:
> :>> :>
> :>> :>[email protected] wrote:
> :>> :>
> :>> :>>>
> :>> :>>> The fact that _you_ say that Ehlert was a liar is nothing more than blabber.
> :>> :>>> Please post the independent forensic evidence that _proves_ she was a liar.
> :>> :>>> Two unrelated lie detector results will suffice.
> :>>
> :>> :>And this denier’s response to Gord McFee!
> :>> :>
> :>> :>>I’ll have to stand in line nehind you and your little imp, Mark van Alstine.
> :>> :>
> :>> :>This is nonresponsive to the questions at hand.
> :>>
> :>> Perhaps the reason is that there he has no answer to the questions at hand.
>
> :>I have given you the answer you deserve. Prove
> :>that you deserve better.
>
> No answer. Poor Mr. “Blackmore”, no challenge at all.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
I already posted something concerning Ehlert’s
comments and testimony a while back. Hopefully,
you will refer to that.

From [email protected] Sat Oct 12 19:37:28 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: I’m Waiting For Some Answers, Mr. Blackmore.
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> Brian Harmon writes:
> [email protected] replied to John Morris:
> [..]
>
> > Give us a break. Deal with the lies you defend.
>
> Hmm. An interesting statement. Apropos of that, i’m wondering
> when you’ll get around to demonstrating that Filip Mueller
> is an unreliable witness, or that the Auschwitz testimony is
> contradictory and ludicrous.
>
> The only thing you’ve given me so far is excerpts of testimony
> that had *nothing* to do with Auschwitz, and some of which was
> far from impossible.
>
> I’m waiting, Mr. Blackmore.
>
> —
> Brian Harmon
>

>>>>
You really should know better than to challenge me, Mr.
Harmon, especially after the Kramer dialogue.
You must be a masochist. The answers you seek
are forthcoming soon. By the way, I have a personal
communication by Mr. Mueller in my possession, which
states a couple of interesting things

From [email protected] Sat Oct 12 19:37:29 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Rblackmore is still a liar….Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel
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Gandhi writes rblackmore:

>
. However, you are a hypocrite, and a liar. Both have been
> clearly demonstrated.

It’s news to me. Are you not talking about yourself?

it doesn’t change the truth that thus far you have lied about
> the Discovery Channel,

And of course you will confirm to us that you
have since SEEN this documentary, so you
can prove me a liar, right?….Uh huh, I thought not.

and you have lied about the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

Really?

The Holocaust figures are fabrications,
> > and these posts are proving it.

You’ve yet to given any grounds
> whatsoever to support your contention that more than 6 million people were
> not brutally murdered by the German war machine.

Not any more, Mr. Gandhi. You need to PROVE it.
>
> [snip]
>
> > It is you who is whining. Your Holocaust promoters are turning out to be
> > liars.

(Gandhi’s unsupportable brainwashed comments snipped)
>

.
> Your failure to support your claim brands you a liar.

No, it brands me as being too uninterested to care.
BTW, I don’t even know what you are referring to.
> It is you who fears the truth…..
>
> So you claim; however, it does not change the fact that you have yet to
> provide one piece of credible evidence to demonstrate that the Holocaust
> did not happen.

I believe I have posted enough, but take heart, valiant
soul, for more proof is on the way even as I write! I am
still waiting for you to prove that the Holocaust happened
as you say it did.

In any event, you’re still a liar, since my accusation was that you HAD
> >> NO PROOF that the DISCOVERY CHANNEL was KNOWINGLY MISLEADING THE PUBLIC.
> >
> > I said either knowingly or irresponsibly….
>
>

> “Whether the Discovery Channel did this deliberately or not remains to be
> seen. I have the programs in question on video tape and intend to look for
> the names of the editors responsible for the narration.”
>
> I never claimed that you lied about the source, although you have yet to
> fully provide a proper quote,

I gave you the quote.

in context, even though you claim to have the
> program on tape.

I do. Somewhere…..

What I did say was that you lied about the Discovery
> Channel’s motives. I said this because, again, you provided NOT A SINGLE
> SHRED OF EVIDENCE that the alleged figure (I say alleged because you have’t
> provided a quote from the documentary) was so made to mislead the public as
> you claimed.

Oh, no. it was just thrown in there to make things look
good….think about what you are saying, man……
, it is your promoters of the Holocaust who are the
liars, but you haven’t the guts to admit it, though I am
proving it to you over and over again. Your admonitions
are directed at the wrong person. I did not claim the lie
for five decades that 4 million Jews died at Auschwitz. BTW,
I will post more evidence tonight that this malicious rumor began
in 1945 and referred to “gassed Jews”, which you and Mr. Yale
E. tried to disclaim in another post.
>

– the Holocaust happened, and
> the Nazis set out to and did succeed in exterminating more than 6 million
> people, including Jews, gypsies, political prisoners, and homosexuals.

Nonsense.

>

.

> JB> Would YOU be interested enough in the truth to correct them? In fact,
> JB> they have used this false figure twice – the previous time being a
> JB> “documentary” on Josef Mengele.
>
> RG> Yes I would have.

There you go-you admit it in your own words. So, contact
them, apostle of truth.

>
> Please demonstrate where I promised to contact every person/company you
> claim is acting irresponsibly.

I have not seen you contact even ONE of them yet.

> >> if you want me to do it, you’ll have to e-mail me a digitized
> >> picture of the offending article, from the most recent edition. (By the
> >> way, you failed to mention what year the 11th edition is from.)

And be sure to include with it the eye of a newt, 2 toads legs, and the
wart on a frog’s rump….
> >
> > Nope. I post what I post. Visit a library. I’m sure you’ll
> > find a copy there. BTW, I mentioned the year already – 1961.
>
> What you post are lies. However, if you think that I am going to waste my
> time trying to correct a figure in a book that is 35 years old, think
> again.

Ha Ha Ha….go for a newer edition then-the same lie is
still in there………

rb
>
>>>>

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: RBLACKMORE LIES AGAIN… Re: Add this one to the “Discovery Channel”
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > I already answered this ages ago. Why do you keepre-posting the same
> > nonsense?
>
> This is reposted because your answer was a non answer. You have yet to
> adduce ANY evidence whatsoever for these claims. Either do this, or admit
> that you made an accusation which was completely without foundation.
>
> – – – – – –
>
> In a recent email, later posted to the Usenet, you made the following claim
> about the SWC:
>
> “What do you say to the fact that many Jewish publications also quoted
> this 4,000,000 figure for YEARS until the research made primarily by
> revisionist scholars embarrassed the hell out of them. Why did the Simon
> Wiesenthal Center keep silent on this figure until recently? Could MONEY
> have anything to do with it?”
>
> You have yet to answer the following questions without prevarication:
>
> (1) why you made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding the SWC
> (2) where is the proof for the following:
> (a) that the SWC promoted the figure of 4 million knowing it was wrong
> (b) that this was done for money
> (3) when you can’t provide that proof, you are requested to revist part
> 1 and supply the truth.
>
>>>>
This was already answered. Stop wasting people’s
time with your nonsense. Have some consideration
for people once in your life.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 08:50:25 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>
>
> > Nysili’s deposition in 1945
>
> > I have the Lifton book, but I am not interested in a
> > deposition from a person who never testified to his
> > comments in a trial. Also, there still is no proof that
> > this person ever existed.
>
> Then you know your statements are in error.
>
>
> > > Exactly. Now prove it. Start with the Simpson Report and prove that it
> is
> > > in error.
>
> > Your Simpson reprt was a whitewash. What Judge van Roden said was
> > the truth.
>
> Van Roden was one of the authors of the Simpson Report. He Signed
> off on it.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
The Simpson report was a cover-up, plain and simple.
Compare the report with what the Judge said at the
Rotary Club.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 08:50:26 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] (Matt Giwer) writes:
> > On 10 Oct 1996 22:58:21 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
> > >> [email protected] (Matt Giwer) in a thread questioning whether the
> Malmedy defendants were tortured:
>
> > >> >> You mean you are still holding to your position that they all
> had their
> > >> >> attorneys present during all questioning?
>
>
> > > Liar. In case you were too drunk to notice we are talking about the
> > >Malmedy trials. I have posted specific statements and government
> investigations
> > >that indicate that there were irregularities at those trials.
>
> > Gee, and I was talking about Nuremberg, which you also swore on your
> oath
> > as an honorable man was a fair trial under the rules of US law.
>
> You are either lying or too drunk to be taken seriously. If you think that
> there were reversible errors at Nuremberg please make a case of it. So far you
> have posted nothing that an appeals court would even bother considering. You
> have stated that your opinion is that no fair trial was given. You have yet to
> support this with either full citations of the record or a recitation of legal principle
> that would support your contention.
>
> The burden, as in any appeal, is upon you. Please try to present your
> position in a coherent manner. Given your criminal tendencies, it might be good
> practice for the future.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Given your disposition to ignore and pervert the
facts, I don’t see why he should accomodate your
demands.

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Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel
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> [email protected] (pgroff) writes:
> On 9 Oct 1996 09:45:56 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> >From: The Pictorial History of the Jewish People,
> >by Nathan Ausubel, Crown Publishers, N.Y., 1961,
> >ELEVENTH PRINTING.
> >
> >Quote:
> >
> >”….in Oswiecim (Auschwitz) and its subsidiary
> >plants, almost 4,000,000 Jewish lives were
> >snuffed out. The register of the slain in the
> >electric crematoria of the Oswiecim subsidiary,
> >Birkenau, reads like a carefully itemized account
> >of a business house. The plant first gassed, then
> >burned 6,000 Jews daily.”
> >
> >End of Quote (Note that in the quote Auschwitz
> >appears in parentheses and was the German
> >name for Oswiecim. The inclusion was mine.)
> I have a few questions for rblackmore/jbelling troll,
? Could you
> also tell us Was it irresponsible, or was
> it just poor research?
>
> >rb
>

I will answer your questions, but no doubt you will
find it to be uncomfortable:

1. Page number?

Page 261.

2. what citation they used for this statement??

>From what I can see, NONE. Quite irresponsible, isn’t
it? For the record, he also states: “…..attempts were
made to utilize the fat from the bodies of victims in the
commercial manufacture of soap.” Page 261.

3. Could you
> also mention what year this book you are quoting from was first
> published??

1953. I quoted from the 1961 edition, but there were
many editions thereafter.

4. Wasn’t it first stated at Auschwitz after the War
> concerning the four million, and that wasn’t it several historians
> that corrected that within their books??

The facts do not quite support your contentions. Not
only was the 4 million dead quoted right after the war,
but the fake figure was quoted up to DECADES after
the war, as recently as 1994 in the periodical I quoted from in
another post. The figure of 4.5 million was given on an
episode aired by the discovery channel recently, called
“Mengele-the man and his crimes.” Also, Reitlinger’s
book, “The Final Solution” gave a figure of around
800,000 (I believe) in 1953! Hilberg’s book was also
published early with a different figure. Fact is, this
author and this publication continued to bandy this
irresponsible figure around for YEARS, along with
agencies like the Auschwitz State Museum. It was
only in 1990! that the Auschwitz State Museum
finally chiseled out the phoney 4 million figure from
the giant slabs adorning the entrance to the former
concentration camp. This is DECADES after Reitlinger
and Hilberg! I maintain that it was the assiduous work of
revisionists which finally forced their hand. Now, concerning
you final comments:

Who would ever apologize to a troll pair such
> as rblackmore/jbelling?? I sure wouldn’t.

You don’t have to, but it sure says much about
the likes of you. By the way, I didn’t have to reply
to your questions either. Fact is, you have been caught
with your hands in the cookie jar. Imagine being a true believer
in this sort of tomfoolery, as has been related about Auschwitz.
Don’t apologize-it makes you and Gandhi look more like the
fools every day.

Finally, you scribble:

rblackmore/jbelling snide and uncalled for remarks to Mr. Ghandi
> deleted, as they should be.

The two people above refer to me as a “troll” and Gandi calls
me a liar and prevaricator about the exact same issue concerning
the actual number of dead at Auschwitz, and this person calls
my remarks “snide and uncalled for”. A final quote:

“The worst sort of hypocrite and liar is the man who lies to himself
in order to feel at ease.”—-Hilaire Belloc

rb

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 08:50:28 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Jamie McCarthy) writes:
> [email protected] (AnnDaltyn) wrote:
>
> > I was also recently privy to the knowledge that there is a letter that was
> > smuggled out by a soldier to Rudolf Hoss’s (commandant of Auschwitz) wife.
> > This letter in Hoss’s handwriting & signed by him tells of extreme torture
> > & his sorrow. He states that the “confession” was lies forced on him by
> > his torturers.
>
> This is the first time I’ve ever heard this claim. Your source, please.
>
> > I find these comments that these men where not tortured to be very silly &
> > groundless. It is also true that many of them were given “experimental”
> > mind altering “truth drugs”. These left many of these men in altered
> > states if mind.
>
> This is the first time I’ve ever heard this claim. Your source, please.
>
> Posted/emailed.
> —
> Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
> [email protected] Co-Webmaster of https://www.nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
I have also heard of this letter, although I have
never seen it.
rb

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 08:50:29 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Rblackmore and the usual prevarication… Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: 13 Oct 1996 08:20:09 GMT
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:

.
>
> In any event, you are also proven to be a liar, since your claim was:
>
> “But the lie of 4 million Jewish “gassed” at Auschwitz was officially
> chiseled out of the massive slabs…”
>
> Mr. Edeiken correctly pointed out to you that no such slab makes that
> claim. You then changed your claim. Prevarication. Baseless accusations.
> Liar.
>
>>>>
Fool. The slabs were in front of Auschwitz. I made no
claims about the Wiesenthal Center. Whether gassed or
shot or electrocuted or squashed between moving walls,
the means is not the important issue here-it is the fake
number of 4 MILLION.

rb

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 08:50:29 PDT 1996
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Date: 13 Oct 1996 08:22:22 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
> # [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> ## There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz
> ## Musuem that 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.
>
> # You stepped in it that time. The inscription clearly
> # stated that 4 million Jews died in Auschwitz.
>
> I think that you are clearly lying, as I am looking at
> Pressac’s book, and the text on the monument does not even
> mention Jews.
>
> IMHO, the old (and false) figure of “4 million victims,
> including Jews” – while in reality it is about 1.5 million
> victims, most of them Jews – can be attributed in part
> to plain old antisemitism and a cynical attempt to add
> a “Christian touch” to what was, first and foremost, a
> Jewish tragedy. It is good that the current Polish
> Government does not pursue this line any more.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>
>>>>
I have the photos in front of me. What I wrote was
the truth.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 08:50:30 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> In the course of your career have you ever seen anything
> like this before? — I have been a doctor for 30 years and
> have seen all the horrors of war, but I have never seen
> anything to touch it.
>
> Did there appear to have been any attempt made at all
> to preserve the lives and health of the inmates of that
> camp? — Absolutely none.
>
>
>
> Brigadier Glyn Hughes testifying. Quoted from “The Belsen
> Trial”, p. 35.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
Keren’s red herrings-appearances can be
deceiving and they were in this case.>

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 08:50:31 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: BUCHENWALD: LEGEND AND REALITY
Date: 13 Oct 1996 09:16:55 GMT
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> >> https://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
> >>

> >Danny and his photo collection again. Shrunken heads,
> >artifacts made from diseased corpses, emaciated inmates
> >suffering from disease……I feel sorry for you Danny. Oh,
> >I almost forgot the civilians-shall we discuss what happened
> >to many of them when the allies released hordes of criminals
> >from the camps to rape, plunder, and murder? Danny might
> >enjoy seeing their heads shrunken, or artifacts made from their
> >bones, or emaciated by disease–Danny are you sure you don’t
> >have the situations reversed?
>
> Whenever revisionist Jeffrey repeats his mass-posting on alt.revisionism, Keren always
> fails miserably to counter them. All Keren can do is post a few lame Nizkor URL’s as if
> that helps anything.
>
> I have to admit, though, Keren has a tough job in defending the “Holocaust” Lie in the
> nineties. The myth has degenerated more today than ever before. Rays of blinding
> sunlight are now streaming into the vampire’s lair. The vampire is screaming, melting.
>
> And to makes matters worse, the old Holocauster tactic of “smear and run” doesn’t help
> very much on the Internet, where people now can laugh at these hitherto “lethal”
> obfuscations.
>
> Ah, noone believes in the Holocaust anymore.
>
> Kurt Stele
>
>
>>>>
Yes, quite right. As Danny’s header states, he supplies
the legend, and others supply the realiry……

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 08:50:31 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:

>
> The fact that an overstated figure of the number of persons gassed at
> Auschwitz has been reduced does not deny the fact that over a million people
> were gassed at Auschwitz. In fact, it is an example of what revisionism is
> supposed to be. How does the equate to “the collapsing Holocaust story”? If
> that is indeed your expression, the only logical interpretation is that you
> believe it to be untrue. Is that in fact your position?

It appears that the figure of over a million is also in dispute.
Pressac and Reitlinger claim around 800,000, yet Pressac
seems to indicate that the figure could be much less. One
would have to accept the story that people were not registered
upon arrival and then dispatched to the “gas chambers”. However,
without any actual proof to rely on except “eyewitness testimony”
I am inclined to disbelieve it, based on other eyewitness testimonies
I have read. As to the Holocaust, it depends upon one’s
definition, and there seems to be much difference of opinion on
this subject. Not only are the alleged mortality rates disputed, but
also the means of “extermination” and the disposal of the bodies.
The “whys”, “hows”, and “how many” have not been answered to
my satisfaction. It also does not help when people like Yale Edeikin
claim that Dr. Larson examined deceased inmates from Dachau and
claimed that they died from cyanide poisoning. Mr. E. also claimed
that toxicological tests were conducted and that they proved death
resulted from gassing. However, when I repeatedly requested copies
of both the autopsy and toxicological reports, he referred me to comments
made by Larson without any forensic reports to prove his statements.
At present, I have no definite opinion on the subject of gassing,
but I DO have a problem with it for many reasons, which I hope to
post soon.
>
>
>
>

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 08:50:32 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
>
your assertion is as full of shit as you are.
>
>>>>
No. It is you who are full of the brown substance, and
you seem to be regurgitating it through your mouth. The
proof that Hoess was tortured comes from the man who
captured and tortured him, Mr. Clarke. He said it. He
did it. He was proud of it. And it can be verified that he
did indeed capture Hoess. Your continual denial of this
fact is only hurting your own reputation. Also, in Soviet
hands, Hoess must have fared much worse treatment,
similar to the treatment allegedly meted out to Beiliss in
Russia, or do you maintain that Beiliss wasn’t tortured
either? Also, it is clear from Clark and other sources,
that it was a common practice for the British to threaten
to turn over whole families to the Soviets if the interrogated
refused to talk. This sword of Damocles was hanging over
Hoess’s head the whole time he was at Nuremberg, as his
family was living in the british occupation zone. Hoess was
tortured. Live with it. Or deny it. Either way, you come
out the worse.

rb

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 08:50:33 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ‘Show Trials’? No, Just Another ‘Revisionist’ Lie
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> [email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>
> >Colonel Backhouse: Gertrud Diament [a survivor] in her
> >deposition said that your favorite habit was to beat women
> >until they fell to the ground and then kick them as hard
> >as you could with your heavy boots?
>
> >Grese: That is a lie. Perhaps it is her habit to lie.
>
> >
>
> >So, an accused Nazi calling the survivors, and a senior
> >member of the British counsel for the prosecution, “liars”.
>
> >Gee. And our “revisionist scholars” have been telling us
> >all along that these were “show trials”, in which the accused
> >Nazis were “told what to say”, bla-bla.
>
> >”Revisionists”. What a bunch of low-life Nazi liars.
>
> >-Danny Keren.
>
> The fact that -some- truth got through during the trials doesn’t mean the trials as a
> whole weren’t show-trials, and overwhelmingly determined by coercion. -That- they were.
>
> Keren is notorious for grabbing a string here or there and weaving an entire blanket out
> of it — which, not coincidentially, is also a method used repeatedly throughout the
> “Holocaust” theory.
>
> Keren is therefore an apt spokesman for the Great Myth.
>
> Kurt Stele
>
>
>>>>
This “habit” of Danny’s to which you refer is
known as setting up a “red herring”, properly
defined as: “a false clue intended or tending
to mislead someone”…..

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 08:50:34 PDT 1996
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From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 08:50:34 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Q: In what language were you questioned?
>
> >A: German.
>
> Was German Bimko’s native language? If not, I can easily see how
> errors of gender may have crept in. Also, was the lawyer reading
> from the original German?
>
> This sort of harping over inconsequentialities is a hallmark of
> Holocaust denial.
>
>>>>
I forgot to add: Lying appears to be a hallmark of Holocaust
affirmation.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 08:50:35 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 11:36:19 GMT writes:
> :>
>
> :>What “revisionist” sources did I use? You also neglected
> :>to point out that I do not condemn sources because they come
> :>from revisionists. I simply do not post them often. Perhaps
> :>I will start. If their sources are accurate, there is no reason
> :>not to.
>
> Stumpy is a “revisionist” source, Mr. “Blackmore”. Please do not forget that
> simply posting the source does not make it accurate.
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
True enough. That is why I always try to confirm
the sources before I post. if there is any room for
doubt, I will come right out and say so at the time
of posting, as my “Louis marschalko” posts prove.
However, even Marschalko’s statements were often
right on the mark, after I did a bit more of independent digging.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 08:50:36 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
> # [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>
> ## Don’t evade the question. You have accepted Kramer’s testimony
> ## about Belsen. That means you believe he’s a reliable witness.
>
> # I believe he told the truth, and his statements were
> # proved by other evidence. I still insist he was a
> # victim of circumstances beyond his contol.
>
> “rblackmore” agrees that Kramer is a reliable witness. He
> must agree, then, that what Kramer said about the murders
> in the Natzweiler and Birkenau gas chamebrs is also true.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Ah, Danny thinks he has cleverly tricked me into
admitting that Kramer admits of gassings at
Brikenau and Natzweiler. However, what I wrote
was that I believed that he told the truth in regard
to BELSEN, AND his statements were PROVED BY
OTHER EVIDENCE.

Now, addressing the gas chamber issue, the “other
evidence” is lacking, unless Danny wants to admit
that Kramer was tortured by the British…which he
was, by the way. Better luck next time, Danny.

rb

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 08:50:37 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> [in response to Mike Curtis]
> [snip]
>
> >> We are dealing with holocaust history here and not India.
>
> >You did not answer the questions. The similes are apropos.
>
> What similes? And apropos of what?
>
> Oooohhh! I see what you meant to say. But your *analogies* were not
> *appropriate*.
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
> —
>
>>>>
I think they are.

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>From the so-called “Encyclopedia of the Third
Reich” by Louis Snyder, McGraw-Hill Co.,1976:

Under the caption “AUSCHWITZ” here is what
he wrote:

“It is estimated that 1 to 4 million persons died
in gas ovens and by a variety of other methods
at Auschwitz.” Pages 13, 14.

Comment: So, in 1976 we have “Professor”
Snyder writing the nonsense above. The people
died in “gas ovens”.

However, in the same article, under the
same caption, Synder writes:

“Those unfit for work were gassed in temporary
chambers run by tank and automobile engines.”
Page 14.

Such scholarship….such professionalism….but
Mr. Gandhi will set him straight, won’t you, Raj?

Now, on page 166 of the same volume, here is
what the same “Professor” Snyder has to say about
Hoess:

“At Auschwitz Hoess was responsible for the execution
of MORE than 2.5 million inmates, not counting a half
million who were allowed to starve to death.”

So, the figure went from 1 to 4 million and the
astute “Professor” settled with a final count of
3,000,000. Curiously, there was no mention
of Zyklon B in either article……..

For the edification of Mr. Gandhi and others
of the “true believer” ilk here are the names of
the editors, who share a responsibility for the
contents published in the book:

Leonard Josephson
Robert Rosenbaum
Tobia Worth

Please direct all your correspondence to them
and let us all know how things turned out…….

rb

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> “Samuel G. Hammons” writes:
> The topic of whether the holocaust happened or not is closed as far as I
> am concerned. My grandfather was an Army captain during WWII. He was
> with Patton’s Third Army. He saw concentration cams and death cams that
> they liberated. He said it. I believe it. Why would he make it up?
>
>>>>
No one has ever denied there were concentration
camps. What is your definition of the Holocaust?

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 08:50:39 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Q: In what language were you questioned?
>
> >A: German.
>
> Was German Bimko’s native language? If not, I can easily see how
> errors of gender may have crept in. Also, was the lawyer reading
> from the original German?
>
> This sort of harping over inconsequentialities is a hallmark of
> Holocaust denial.
>
>>>>
PLEASE. Bimko spoke fluent German, and I speak
German as well, and I assure you, the genders are
NOT easy to confuse. German makes the genders quite
clear. The fact is Bimko is and was a LIAR, and as I
promised, you will be hearing more of her lies soon.
Accusing a man of murdering someone is no inconnsequentiality,
Mr. Powers. And there are 5,999,999 more accusations….shall
I regard them as inconsequentialities as well?

rb

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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 11 Oct 1996 12:17:14 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> >> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> Oh, get off it. If a popularization by a non-specialist issued by a
> >> trade publisher makes a mistake, most people refer to it as poorly
> >> researched. You, on the other hand, seem to see a big conspiracy to
> >> pull the wool over all our eyes.
>
> >Give us a break. Deal with the lies you defend.
>
> Give _us_ a break and deal with the lies _you_ defend.
>
> >The fact is that you can still find this book in any
> >major library and this publication went through many more editions
> >than 11, always repeating the same old falsehood,
>
> The fact is that millions of books are published in North America every year
> and not all of them are by people who are schooled historians or who
> carefully review their facts.
>
> You should know this. You’ve read Irving, Haven’t you?
>
>
>
>>>>
Humpty-Holocaust is falling down, and all
the king’s horses and all the king’s men,
can’t put Humpty together again………..

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As promised, here is more from the testimony of
Ada Bimko, this time regarding the number of Jews
allegedly killed in the “gas chambers” at Auschwitz:

Q:- Have you ever been in the gas chambers?

A:- Yes. In August, 1944, I was working in a
portion of the camp as a doctor. A new crowd of
those selected for the gas chamber had arrived,
and as they were sick, they came covered with
a blanket. After TWO DAYS we were told to
fetch all those blankets from the gas chamber.
I took the opportunity, as I always wanted to see
this ill-famed gas chamber, and I went in. It was a
brick building, and there were trees around in a way
as if it were camouflaged. In the first room I met a man
who came from the same town as I do. There was also
an SS man with a rank of Unterscharfuehrer, and he belonged
to the Red Cross. I was told that in this first big room the people
left their clothes, and from this room were led into a second,
and I gained the impression that hundreds and hundreds might
go into this room, it was so large. It resembled the shower baths or
ablution rooms we had in the camp. There were many sprays all
over the ceiling in rows which were parallel. All these people who
went into this room were issued with a towel and a cake of soap.
so that they should have the impression that they were going to have
a bath, but for anybody who looked at the floor it was quite clear
that it was not so, because there were no drains..
..I saw a few lines of rails with a small wagon which
they called a lorry, and I was told that prisoners who
were already gassed were put on these wagons and sent
directly to the crematorium. I believe the crematorium
was in the same building but I myself did not see the stove.
There was yet another room a few steps higher than
the previous one with a very low ceiling, and I
noticed two pipes which I was told contained the
gas. There were also two large metal containers
containing gas.”

From: The Belsen Trial, pg. 68.

Comment: So, here our witness states that after
two days, (The caps were mine-rb) she was sent
to the gas chambers with others to retrieve blankets
>from the victims. I wonder how she was told-did
someone say, “Go to the gas chamber and get
the blankets the murdered victims left behind?”
Coincidentally, she happens to “meet” a man
who came from her own town. he is in the gas
chamber doing heaven knows what.. While
there she claims to have seen as SS man who was
a member of the “Red Cross”-what he was doing
and why he happened to be there, she doesn’t state,
nor does she state how she knew he was from the
Red Cross. Then she tells us how she was TOLD
that this was a gas chamber and was led into a massive shower
room, which she says anyone would notice that there
were no drains…..but if SHE saw it, then so would
anyone else entering into that room….Then she refers
to the crematorium and says that she did not see
the “stove”, nor did she see the people being gassed or
burned, and this was in the summer of 1944, when thousands
of victims allegedly had to be burned in open pits…..then,
those two pipes which she said contained the gas…….Its
a good thing we have the original blueprints for this area….

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 08:50:41 PDT 1996
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> Jean-Francois Beaulieu writes:
> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
> >
> > SS-Doctor Kremer about his days at Auschwitz:
> > [Quoted in ‘The Good Old Days’ – E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
> > Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 258].
> > ——————————————————————-
> > I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups
> > of women [from the women’s camp in Auschwitz]. I cannot say how
> >were herded into the gas chambers and gassed.
>
> [snip]
>
> excerp from :Did Six Million Really Die?:
> Christie suggested to Hilberg that affidavits
> affidavits such as that of Hans Marsalek appeared to be a very suspect kind of
> evidence. “Well, suspect to whom?,” asked Hilberg. “In other words, to me it was a
> document to be used very carefully, and I am not entirely sure that I used it more
> than once with reference to a minor matter, but — it’s rather obvious that a
> layman confronted with a fragment of history in the form of a document should be
> careful in using it, because the document does not explain itself.” That’s your
> view of the document, sir, said Christie. But a layman looking at it would
> form the opinion, first of all, the man was dying; second, they interrogated him
> for six to eight hours after he had been shot; and thirdly, they take the stateme
> statement and they kind of put it in the policeman’s handwriting and he swears the
> guy said it, right? “Yes,” said Hilberg. It looks suspicious, doesn’t it?, asked
> Christie. “You mean as a forgery, or as an unfair thing to do to a wounded man?,
> man?, ” asked Hilberg. Unfair thing to do, said Christie. “Well, as I said, I have
> difficulty reconstructing what is fair or unfair in these circumstances. I
> don’t know how badly wounded he was, what kind of care he had, whether physicians
> were consulted. It is hard to say this. I, personally, would be reluctant to say
> the least question of anybody who was in a state of discomfort, but that is,
> you know…” (5-1039)
>
>>>>
Wasn’t this conversation referring to an officer who
died a short time thereafter from the
wounds which were inflicted upon him?

rb

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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> >> >It must be clearly understood that the entire Holocaust-gassing myths
> >> > stands and falls with the “confession” of Rudolf Hoess, one-time
> >> > commandant of Auschwitz – an Allied prisoner who was sadistically
> >> > tortured.
> >>
> >> I’m sure you would *like* that to be “clearly understood”. That is,
> >> however, utter bullshit.
> >>
> >>>>>
> >Right. Like you are some kind of demi-god sent here to pontificate
> >for the rest of us.
>
> You’ve documented the “torture” of Hoess–the Allies made him sit
> in a courtroom festooned with U.S. flags. If you have better
> references, don’t hesitate to post them. In the meantime, perhaps
> you will refrain from pontificating on what “must be clearly
> understood”.
>
>
>>>>
The details of the torture of Hoess come directly
>from the mouth of the man who captured and
tortured him-Bernhard Clarke.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 08:50:42 PDT 1996
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>
> >> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> >>

> >> >> >From: The Pictorial History of the Jewish People,
> >> >> >by Nathan Ausubel, Crown Publishers, N.Y., 1961,
> >> >> >ELEVENTH PRINTING.
> >>
> >>

> Look up. Waaaay up. See where I wrote “poorly researched?” Perhaps you
> would like to explain to the home audience how calling a book “poorly
> researched” is a defense of it.

Look up. Look WAAAAY up. Note that this book
went through more than 11 printings and still persisted
withthe same lie. There is no excuse for this sort of
behavior. Notice that a documentary on the discovery
channle referred to 4.5 million Jewish dead at Auschwitz.
A popular magazine in 1994 referred to 4 million Jewish dead
at Auschwitz. Where are they all getting this fake figure from?
It is untrue that the Soviets began the lie. It began with the inmates
themselves. Read my latest post: Where has the 4,000,000 gone?

>
.
>
> And what, pray, would you like me to do about it? Round them up and
> burn them?

Or press them into pulp, as the allies did with German
publications after the war….

Firebomb the publisher?

I am not a terrorist, nor would I recommend that
you become one.

Write to every library carrying a
> mistaken or poorly researched book and ask them to withdraw them from
> their shelves?

How many of these books are there? 4 million?
What I would like you to do is none of the above. I simply
ask you to acknowkledge the truth that this 4 million
figure was not due to “poor research” but to LIES,
disseminated and perpetuated for decades, until
the lie caught up with them, and there was nothing left
to do but admit the falsehood.

>
> > Shall I continue
> >to quote other sources? Yes, I shall, so everyone may
> >see the fraud you promote and defend, rather than
> >admitting these people and agencies were in negligent
> >error.
>
> Look up. Waaay up. See where I wrote the word “mistake?”

Look WAAAAAY up….11 plus editions over 20 years is NOT a
“mistake”. A figure of 4 million dead chiseled into 19 stone
monuments in front of Auschwitz, visible to tens of thousands
of visitors from all over the world, and a figure often quoted
in the press and on “documentaries” is NOT a “mistake”.
It is a deliberate fraud.

Perhaps you
> would like to explain to the home audience how pointing out that a
> book is mistaken and “poorly researched” is a defense of it.

When it is poorly researched and mistaken. This is NOT
the case.
>
> I do not promote the Holocaust. What I defend is the accuracy of the
> historical record.

Then defend it, and chastize the whores who desecrate
it.
>
> > Of course, once you admit that, then everyone will
> >ask, “Well, if they misrepresented this, what ELSE have they
> >misrepresented?” If you can’t believe the messengers, how
> >can you believe the message?
>
> Who are “they?”

A loaded question I see….what would you like me
to reply? Let me guess….”They” obviously refers
to the distortionists who have been quoting and
disseminated a proven lie for decades, and they would
have continued to have done so for centuries to come
had revisionists not caught up with them and exposed
their little juggling act.
>

(Jeff Roberts irrelevant to this topic)
>
> What kind of truth are *you* promoting that requires lies to defend
> it?

Who asked the question above-you or I?
>rb
> —
>

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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >COVER-UP.
>
> Translation: everything on the X-files is true.
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
>

>
>>>>
Apparently your Holocaust served as the proto-
tupe for the x-files.

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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 11 Oct 1996 11:44:56 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>
> >> In a recent email, later posted to the Usenet, you made the following claim
> >> about the SWC:
>
> >I already answered this ages ago. Why do you keep
> >re-posting the same nonsense?
>
> Because your ‘answers’ haven’t answered the question.
>
>
>>>>
As far as I am concerned, they have, and only an
imbecile would keep reposting……..

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:

>

> :>>
> :>> His position is that the fact that the Nazi’s failed in their attempt to
> :>> kill all the Jews does not negate the fact of their intent.

Well, I would certainly question the “intent” to commit
“genocide” when I read that countless numbers of
Jews survived their experiences in these “death camps”.
> :>>
>> :>>>>>
> :>And you are left with the fact that 75% of France’s
> :>Jews were untouched…….
>
> The fact that _any_ of the Jews survived doesn’t negate the fact that someone
> tried very hard to kill them. The survival rate of Polish Jews was about 10%
> (about 2.7 million out of 3 million murdered). Doesn’t that mean anyhting?

I cannot accept this figure. Where did you get it
from? Also, the survival rates for German civilians
incarcerated in concentration camps at the end of
the war was undoubtedly similar, if your figures are accurate.

>
>
>

>
>
>>>>

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At last-the genesis of the four million! From
the testimony of Ada Bimko:

“One of those who took part in these
Kommandos told me that other members
of the Kommandos before being gassed
had complete records of all these trans-
ports which arrived, and then eventually
were destroyed. He, himself, in fact, kept
records also and he said that the number of
Jews who were destroyed in this gas chamber
would be about FOUR MILLION.” (Caps-rb)

Page 68, The Belsen Trial)

Comment: One rumor, one gas chamber, FOUR
million……..Of course, she never mentioned the
name of the man who told her these lies….perhaps
no one told her and she simply made it up—-what
simple faith believers in the Holocaust have…..

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Cross examination of Ada Bimko:

“On 27th July (1944), I remember that all those who were
even suspected, who were not yet in hospital, were
sent to the gas chamber. On that day, big transports came in
>from a concentration camp called Litzmannstadt and there were
quite a few cases of typhoid fever.”……….pg. 73

Q: I suggest to you that Dr. Klein did not arrive at Auschwitz
until 15th December 1943, and accordingly could not have
taken part in a selection on 1st December 1943? pg.73.

A: When 4000 people were sent to the gas chambers Dr.
Klein and Dr. Tilot took part in the selection.” pg.73

Q: Were the crematoria and the hospital in Birkenau
controlled directly from Auschwitz?

A: I do not know. pg. 73

End of Quotes. Taken from: The Belsen Trial.

Comments: Note that I checked the dates this
“witness” mentions, particularly July 27, 1944, and
December 1st and 15th 1943, and compared them with
the events minutely detailed in the Auschwitz Chronicle,
meticulously compiled by Danuta Czech. None of the
events which this witness testified to on these dates
are confirmed in the Chronicle. Ergo-more blatant
lies.

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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>
> > > YFE noted as a matter of fact:
>
> > > > > There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that
> > > > >4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.
> > For the record there were actually 19 of these
> > massive stone slabs in front of Auschwitz which
> > publicly had the false figure of 4,000,000 Jewish
> > dead chisled out in July 1990.
>
> For the record blackmore is caught in another of his lies. There was never
> any representation at Auschwitz that 4,000,000 Jews died there. Note that he
> cannot quote the language of such a monument.
>
> Another “revisionist” caught with his honesty around his knees.
>
> –YFE
>
>
>
>>>>
I have the photographs Yale.

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: 13 Oct 1996 08:15:52 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>
> > > >> There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that
> > > >> 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.
>
> > > Of course you can point to the page where there is such a reference,
> since
> > > I could find no page which says there was a massive slab on front of the
> > > museum which claimed that 4 million Jews were gassed.
>
> > You are showing yourself more the fool every
> > day. The 19 stone tablets referred to 4 million
> > Jews who allegedly died there. They need not
> > have mentioned gassing. It was a lie any way
> > you choose to interpret it. BTW, you may now
> > add these 19 stone slabs to the discovery channel,
> > WWII magazine, and the Pictorial History of the
> > Jewish People–and more is on the way. When
> > you walk in the snow, you cannot hide your tracks…..
>
> There was no such placque or series of slabs.
>
> This is just another demonstration of how the “revisionists” lie.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
There most certainly was, and I will be glad to send
a photocopy to anyone who requests it via e-mail,
but they must provide a “snail mail” address, along with
postage to cover cost of photcopying and mail.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 08:50:48 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:

>
> Thank you, Mr. Jesus.
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
> —

I was in a Biblical frame of mind last night. I referred
to the ball in your corner because it is my contention
that exterminations have indeed backed themselves
into a corner by adhering to the Holocaust in all its
details. As to the sources, start with “Let’s not be Beastly
to the Sources”.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 11:34:00 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Question Rblackmore continues to refuse to answer… (was Re: RBLACKMORE LIES AGAIN… Re: Add this one to the “Discovery Channel”)
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > This was already answered. Stop wasting people’s
> > time with your nonsense. Have some consideration
> > for people once in your life.
>
> This from the person who desecrates the memory of more than 6 million
> people killed to satisfy a Nazi bloodthirst.
>
> I will not stop asking the question until you provide a satisfactory
> answer.Your incoherency aside, why don¹t you finally answer the question:
>
> In a recent email, later posted to the Usenet, you made the following claim
> about the SWC:
>
> “What do you say to the fact that many Jewish publications also quoted
> this 4,000,000 figure for YEARS until the research made primarily by
> revisionist scholars embarrassed the hell out of them. Why did the Simon
> Wiesenthal Center keep silent on this figure until recently? Could MONEY
> have anything to do with it?”
>
> You have yet to answer the following questions without prevarication:
>
> (1) why you made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding the SWC
> (2) where is the proof for the following:
> (a) that the SWC promoted the figure of 4 million knowing it was wrong
> (b) that this was done for money
> (3) when you can’t provide that proof, you are requested to revist part
> 1 and supply the truth.
>
>>>>
Nut. Fool.

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Rblackmore Lies for the nth time… Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> I
Since you
> yourself have admitted that the picture is useless, why on earth should I
> waste my time trying to find it ?
>
>>>>
So then you have contacted the discovery channel
and viewed the “documentary” with its fraudulent
claim that 4.5 million Jews were killed at Auschwitz?

And you have contacted the editors of WW II magazine
to ask them why they posted a fake number of 4,000,000
dead Jews at Auschwitz as late as 1994?

And you have contacted the publishers of “Pictorial History
of the Jewish People” and asked them to confess why they
had published a phoney and fictictious number of 4 million
Jews killed at Auschwitz in well over 11 consecutive editions
of their publication?

You did, didn’t you? Hypocrite, fool, liar.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 15:53:25 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
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rblackmore writes:
It appears that the figure of over a million is also in dispute.
Pressac and Reitlinger claim around 800,000, yet Pressac
seems to indicate that the figure could be much less. One
would have to accept the story that people were not registered
upon arrival and then dispatched to the “gas chambers”. However,
without any actual proof to rely on except “eyewitness testimony”
I am inclined to disbelieve it, based on other eyewitness testimonies
I have read. As to the Holocaust, it depends upon one’s
definition, and there seems to be much difference of opinion on
this subject. Not only are the alleged mortality rates disputed, but
also the means of “extermination” and the disposal of the bodies.
The “whys”, “hows”, and “how many” have not been answered to
my satisfaction. It also does not help when people like Yale Edeikin
claim that Dr. Larson examined deceased inmates from Dachau and
claimed that they died from cyanide poisoning. Mr. E. also claimed
that toxicological tests were conducted and that they proved death
resulted from gassing. However, when I repeatedly requested copies
of both the autopsy and toxicological reports, he referred me to comments
made by Larson without any forensic reports to prove his statements.
At present, I have no definite opinion on the subject of gassing,
but I DO have a problem with it for many reasons, which I hope to
post soon.

rb

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 15:53:27 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Another one to add to the Discovery Channel
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 12 Oct 1996 08:35:15 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> >Sounds like you are talking about yourself again, Raj.
> >Keep talking-I assure you no one is listening anymore.
>
> Nope. There are many of us listening, Herr Belling, and many more who are
> listening and not saying anything and nearly all of them are intelligent
> enough to see that you have been avoiding this question for a long time now.
>
>
>>>>
What in God’s name are you talking about, Ken?

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 15:53:28 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story
Date: 13 Oct 1996 08:38:33 GMT
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> Brian Harmon writes:
> Jeffrey wrote:
> >
> > Bergen-Belsen Camp: The suppressed story
> > by Mark Weber
>
> [..]
> > Ghastly images recorded by Allied photographers at Belsen in mid-April
> > 1945 and widely reproduced ever since have greatly contributed to the
> > camp’s reputation as a notorious extermination center. In fact, the dead
> > of Bergen-Belsen were, above all, unfortunate victims of war and its
> > turmoil, not deliberate policy. It can even be argued that they were as
> > much victims of Allied as of German measures.
>
> … Despite the fact that available food and water was not
> supplied to the inmates, despite the fact that starving and
> sick inmates were forced to work, and despite the fact that
> Kramer clearly did not care about the lives of his inmates.
>
> Garbage. The Nazis knew precisely what they were doing.
>
>
Brian Harmon

>>>>
Mr. Harmon-you have been given an in-depth view
of the actual situation at Belsen, and your close-
mindedness is evident for the world to see. I
have posted the facts in this case, but you ignore
them because you are the victim of your own
prejudices.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 15:53:29 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On Wed, 09 Oct 1996 08:43:23 -0400, “Annie Alpert, OFB”
> wrote:
>
> >[email protected] wrote:
>
> >> I have to disagree with that one completely.
> >> If it had been their intention to exterminate the Jews
> >> within their sphere of control, then there would not
> >> have been a survivor left. The very fact that only
> >> 25% of France’s Jewish population was ever deported
> >> disproves your thesis.
>
> >So you’re saying that if someone doens’t finish a job it’s the same as
> >if they had never tried to do it at all?? Yeah, right.

The “job”, as I see it, was to deport as many Jews
as possible out of war zones. In achieving this goal,
I feel they were highly effective.

rb
>
>

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 15:53:30 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:

(Re: the 4million figured inscribed and chiseled out from stone)
>
> They were wrong, Mr. Blackmore. Does their having been wrong mean that no
> Jews were gassed at Auschwitz?
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
On this particular issue? No. As to the
gassings, that is a separate
question we can deal with later.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 15:53:31 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Oct 1996
> 11:12:28 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
> :>
> :>(Irrelevant drivel)
> :>>
> :>>>>>
> :>But the lie of 4 million Jewish “gassed” at Auschwitz
> :>was officially chiseled out of the massive slabs in front
> :>of the Auschwitz Museum in 1994! Let’s talk about that
> :>one for a while.
>
> They were wrong, Mr. Blackmore. Does their having been wrong mean that no
> Jews were gassed at Auschwitz?
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
On this particular issue? No. As to the
gassings, that is a separate
question we can deal with later.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 16:38:23 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story
Date: 13 Oct 1996 09:05:23 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> Testimony of Herta Ehlert, a member of the SS unit at Belsen (p. 709):
> ———————————————————————
> The conditions in Belsen were a shame and a disgrace. I consider
> that the people chiefly responsible were Kramer the Kommandant,
> Dr. Horstmann, Untersturmfuehrer Klipp, who was for some time
> Kramer’s second in command, and Haupsturfuehrer Vogler, who
> worked in Kramer’s office and was responsible for food supply.
> I say that Kramer was responsible for the conditions, among
> other reasons, because on one occasion when I complained of the
> increasing death rate to Kramer he replied, “let them die, why
> should you care?”.
>
>
>>>>
Herta Ehlert was a petty thief and a liar.
Read my post on Ehlert for the true circumstances.

rb

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:21 PDT 1996
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>
He was a member of the Hungarian guard [1], but the
> shooting was not confined to Hungarians; it was simply terrible,
> hundreds were shot per day.

Danny and his red herrings, which he posts
over and over again. The Belsen case
does not rest or fall with this man’s testimony.

Here are a few things Danny left out of
Druillensec’s testimony:

“By the second day we realized that although some
rather primitive type of sanitation existed, it was NOT
USED by the vast majority.” Page 59.

(Capitals mine for emphasis-rb)

Cross-examined by Captain Fielden:

Q. Were all the SS men in Belsen responsible for
ill-treatment and shooting?

A.- No, the shootings I saw on the last three days
were by Hungarian guards. Most of the guards in
the huts were not SS at all, but, on the orders of the SS,
were Blockaeltesten, Kapos, and Vorarbeiter and the
like. I did not see SS men in the vicinity of my compound
during my stay there……Page 64

Finally:

Q:- Did you actually see anyone except the Hungarians
shoot an internee?”

A: “No.” Page 67.

END OF QUOTES. All taken from, “The Belsen Trial”
>
>
>
>>>>

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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >At last-the genesis of the four million! From
> >the testimony of Ada Bimko:
>
> >
he said that the number of
> >Jews who were destroyed in this gas chamber
> >would be about FOUR MILLION.” (Caps-rb)
>
> >Page 68, The Belsen Trial)
>
> >Comment: One rumor, one gas chamber, FOUR
> >million……..Of course, she never mentioned the
> >name of the man who told her these lies….perhaps
> >no one told her and she simply made it up—-what
> >simple faith believers in the Holocaust have…..
>
> Perhaps you need to analyze the verb tense used. Bimko’s interlocutor
> may have been speculating on how much output the gas chamber could
> get if allowed to do its work indefinitely. He may also have been
> overly optimistic. Interesting how you once more pull a “lie” from
> such information….
>
>>>>
The same “lie” that has been repeated over and over
again: on the Discovery Channel, in the book “pictorial
history of the Jewish people”, in WWII magazine, as
well as being inscribed in the 19 slabs adorning the front
of the Auschwitz state “Museum” from where the fake figure
was chiseled out from all of them in July 1990, at the direction of
F. Piper himself! And more examples of the same brazen lie
repeated over and over again are soon to follow. Now,
as to your comments: No, the problem was not interlocution,
the problem was a LIE, either fabricated by Bimko, or the
“Sonderkommando” she claims uttered it. Do you find that
“optimistic”? Interesting how you defend a LIE……

rb

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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
> >[email protected] writes:
> >
> >>At last-the genesis of the four million! From
> >>the testimony of Ada Bimko:
> >
> >>”One of those who took part in these
> >>Kommandos told me that other members
> >>of the Kommandos before being gassed
> >>had complete records of all these trans-
> >>ports which arrived, and then eventually
> >>were destroyed. He, himself, in fact, kept
> >>records also and he said that the number of
> >>Jews who were destroyed in this gas chamber
> >>would be about FOUR MILLION.” (Caps-rb)
> >
> >>Page 68, The Belsen Trial)
> >
> >>Comment: One rumor, one gas chamber, FOUR
> >>million……..Of course, she never mentioned the
> >>name of the man who told her these lies….perhaps
> >>no one told her and she simply made it up—-what
> >>simple faith believers in the Holocaust have…..
> >
> >Perhaps you need to analyze the verb tense used. Bimko’s interlocutor
> >may have been speculating on how much output the gas chamber could
> >get if allowed to do its work indefinitely. He may also have been
> >overly optimistic. Interesting how you once more pull a “lie” from
> >such information….
>
> One person calls it a lie, another says it is merely
> “speculating” and/or “optimistic”.
>
> This is testimony at a trial? Then maybe ‘prejury’ is a word that
> could be agreed upon.
>
>>>>
Indeed, and perjury is commonly known as lying under oath….

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:24 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Apology to Nizkor & Jamie M.
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] writes:
> :>

>
> :>Have you read my post as to where you may obtain
> :>the information re: Streicher under torture?
>
> You posted a reference to a book by Fritzsche, a book you obviously haven’t
> read. I am talking about _Streicher_.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
Why do you second guess me?
I refer you again to Fritzsche, as I HAVE read the entire
book and he discusses the Streicher incident. I also
supplied you with all the pertinent page numbers. Are you
saying that you did not read the post? I also referred you
to the comprehensive work by Werner Maser, “Nuremberg”
where he presents the evidence for the torture of Streicher,
his wife, Adele, and Hans Frank. I also gave you the
page numbers. Did you or did you not read the post?

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:25 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: First step to the United States ban on Holocaust denial
Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:05:42 GMT
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> [email protected] (tom moran) writes:
>
>
> In the L.A.Times, 4/17/96, “Rotunda Rite in Remembrance of
> Holocaust” it was reported that the main responsible parties for
> supplying the arms of terrorism to Israel gathered at the Rotunda rite
> in observance or Day of Remembrance.
> “Members of Congress, Jewish leaders and five Supreme Court
> justices gathered for the 15th Rotunda ceremony …”
>
> It didn’t say how many members of congress attended, but it also
> reported that “Shortly after, the House passed, 420 – 0, a resolution
> deploring individuals who deny the historical reality of the
> Holocaust.
>
> First the “deploring” then the total caving in; Special
> exclusions to the First Amendment.
>
> NO MORE QUESTIONING OF HOLOCAUST REALITY
>
>>>>
Third step will be that anyone who questions the Bible,
the Koran, Buddhism, Scientology, etc. etc., will also be
threatened with severe punishment and chastisement.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:25 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports – OSR USSR #45
Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:20:32 GMT
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> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> : No. Your general comments do not suffice. Please give explicit
> : examples. Do not refer to posts that will take me a while to
> : research and for which you have been advised in advance.
>
>
> That is interesting, coming, as it does, from soemone/somthing
> who/which responded to repeated requests for explicit examples
> by instructing the questioners to look at his/her/itsarticles
> in alt.revisionism and/or Dejanews. I believe the English
> words and expressions which describe this poster would
> therefore include: cant, hypocrite, disingenuous,…..
>
>
> d.A.
>
>>>>
Are you referring to yourself? Lazy ass-get off your
ass and research the cited references if you are so
interested….You know what they used to call a d.A.?
….Duck’s ass….

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:26 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:15:51 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >upon arrival and then dispatched to the “gas chambers”. However,
> >without any actual proof to rely on except “eyewitness testimony”
> >I am inclined to disbelieve it, based on other eyewitness testimonies
> >I have read.
>
> Do you similarly discount eyewitness testimony of Soviet atrocities?

Depends. Which do you refer to?
>
> >claimed that they died from cyanide poisoning. Mr. E. also claimed
> >that toxicological tests were conducted and that they proved death
> >resulted from gassing. However, when I repeatedly requested copies
> >of both the autopsy and toxicological reports, he referred me to comments
> >made by Larson without any forensic reports to prove his statements.
>
> Do you possess or have access to forensic reports on alleged victims
> of Soviet atrocities?

Which do you refer to? BTW, Edeikin claimed such
reports exist and he had access to them. I do not
say that I have such reports concerning the Soviets.
This being the case, what IS your point?

rb
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:27 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:16:34 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> :>> [email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:
> :>>
> :>> >Glad to see you and Mr. Giwer so chummy. You certainly pick your friends
> :>> >well.
> :>> >
> :>>
> :>> So did Mr. Ehrlich606!
> :>>
> :>> Then he disappeared. Sad in a way. He had a better style.
> :>
> :>
> :>>
> :>>>>>
> :>Have no worry. He will probably be back soon.
>
> Yes, I expect the timing would be just about right, wouldn’t it? 🙂
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
What are you implying?

rb

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:28 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: BUCHENWALD: LEGEND AND REALITY
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> https://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
>
> buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg:
> Emaciated corpses of the inmates.
>
> buchenwald02.jpg:
> Artifacts made from corpses of inmates.
>
> shrunken.jpg:
> The shrunken head of an inmate.
>
> buchenwald04.jpg:
> German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops
> have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how
> well-dressed and well-fed they are.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Danny’s collection of bubble gum cards of horrors again.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:28 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Rblackmore and the usual prevarication… Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:34:50 GMT
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>

>
> You have also thus far refused to answer, without any prevarication whatsoever,
> the following questions:
>
> (1) why you made a baseless accusation as documented above regarding the SWC
> (2) where is the proof for the following:
> (a) that the SWC promoted the figure of 4 million knowing it was wrong
> (b) that this was done for money
> (3) when you can’t provide that proof, you are requested to revist part
> 1 and supply the truth.
>
>>>>
Fool. Liar.
rb

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:29 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Belsen: The Suppressed Story
Date: 13 Oct 1996 09:03:59 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> The following photos are in

(Danny’s horror collection snipped)
>
>

>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
The photos only prove people died. Danny
seems to be so fond of these pictures, like a
baseball card collection. What the pictures
do not show is that typhus was raging through
out the camp and this disease is no respecter
of persons.

rb

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:30 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: I’m Waiting For Some Answers, Mr. Blackmore.
Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:30:45 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> I fear, old son, that you will have to wait a long time.
>
> Poor old “rblackmore” is now stuck with the following problem: how
> on earth to keep arguing that Kramer’s testimony about Belsen is
> true, and that he is a reliable and truthful witness, yet dismiss
> what he said about the murder in the Birkenau gas chambers – which
> took place when he commanded Birkenau – and what he said about the
> murder in the Natzweiler gas chamber, which he carried out himself?
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
It is no problem. I already gave you an answer.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:30 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Just for the fun of it…
Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:32:35 GMT
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> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> : > [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
>
> : > What documents? All I have seen are little snippets of quotes from
> : > unknown documents.
> : >
> : > Perhaps if you provided the promised footnotes?
> : >
> : > —
>
>
> : I’ll post them. Then what?
>
> Then those readers who are interested can check
> them and read on. Who knows what other interesting
> items such a person might find?
>
>
> d.A.
>
>
>
>>>>
They have been posted. Don’t look too far though,
you might become stigmatized.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:31 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Let’s Not Be Beastly to the Germans
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > The details of the torture of Hoess come directly
> > from the mouth of the man who captured and
> > tortured him-Bernhard Clarke.
>
> No, the ‘details’ of the alleged mistreatment comes from a book written by
> Butler, who quotes Clarke. This is hearsay, and thus suspect.
>
>>>>
No. the conversation between the 2 was recorded. Contact the
author, fool.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:32 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: 13 Oct 1996 23:55:48 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> :>> > [email protected] writes:
> :>> > > [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
> :>> >
> :>> > (Irrelevant drivel)
> :>> > >
> :>> > >>>>
> :>> > But the lie of 4 million Jewish “gassed” at Auschwitz
> :>> > was officially chiseled out of the massive slabs in front
> :>> > of the Auschwitz Museum in 1994! Let’s talk about that
> :>> > one for a while.
> :>> >
> :>> >>>>
> :>> There was never a statement in front of the Auschwitz Musuem that
> :>> 4,000,000 Jew were gassed there.
>
> :>You stepped in it that time. The inscription clearly
> :>stated that 4 million Jews died in Auschwitz. Whether
> :>gassed or shot, or from disease, the LIE remains the same.
>
> I am afraid _you_ stepped in it, Mr. “Blackmore”. Your own quote above says,
> “the lie of 4 million ‘gassed’ at Auschwitz”. Mr. Edeiken correctly pointed
> out that never had been such a statement in front of the Auschwitz museum.
> You could have simply admitted your error if it is civil debate you want.
>
> Posted and e-mailed.
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Please see my detailed reply to this in the post previous
to this one, where I respond to Ms. Alpert.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:32 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Rosa Lopez vs Ada Bimko
Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:49:02 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >> Was German Bimko’s native language? If not, I can easily see how
> >> errors of gender may have crept in. Also, was the lawyer reading
> >> from the original German?
> >>
> >> This sort of harping over inconsequentialities is a hallmark of
> >> Holocaust denial.
> >>
> >>>>>
> >PLEASE. Bimko spoke fluent German, and I speak
> >German as well, and I assure you, the genders are
> >NOT easy to confuse. German makes the genders quite
> >clear.
>
> You failed to answer my question. Was it her native language? What
> is the source of your knowledge of her competence in it? What is
> the source of your knowledge of the competence of those who may
> have transcribed or translated her testimony?
>
> My wife speaks English “fluently,” and she still drives me crazy
> with confused genders. English makes genders quite clear, but her
> speech frequently does not.
>
> I am simply proposing a number of possible explanations. There may
> be others. Your seizing on this apparent inconsistency to discredit
> all of Bimko’s testimony is absurd.
>
>>>>
She is a liar. Why don’t you just admit it? If
you don’t think so, then deal with her other lies
which she uttered in the same court. If you can’t
believe the messengers, how can you believe
the message?

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:33 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Blackmore: Denier (was Re: Hoess Memoirs)
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:
>
> >Glad to see you and Mr. Giwer so chummy. You certainly pick your friends
> >well.
> >
>
> So did Mr. Ehrlich606!
>
> Then he disappeared. Sad in a way. He had a better style.

>
>>>>
Have no worry. He will probably be back soon.

From [email protected] Sun Oct 13 19:20:34 PDT 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Bill Harmon’s Question
Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:55:24 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> # Ah, Danny thinks he has cleverly tricked me into
> # admitting that Kramer admits of gassings at
> # Brikenau and Natzweiler. However, what I wrote
> # was that I believed that he told the truth in regard
> # to BELSEN, AND his statements were PROVED BY
> # OTHER EVIDENCE.
>
> No, no, nazi-boy. If you say he lied about Auschwitz and
> Natzweiler, you cannot claim he told the truth about Belsen.
>
> Re “PROVED BY OTHER EVIDENCE”: I really can’t understand how
> tens-of-thousands of emaciated corpses of the inmates, with the
> SS staff doing just great and everyone of them fat like a pig,
> is any proof that Kramer did his best to help the inmates.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Better luck next time, Danny. All of your comments
have been rebutted in previous posts. You have no other
evidence to prove the alleged gassings at natzweiler.

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> [email protected] (Alexander Baron) writes:
> In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
>
> > Ah, Danny thinks he has cleverly tricked me into
> > admitting that Kramer admits of gassings at
> > Brikenau and Natzweiler. However, what I wrote
> > was that I believed that he told the truth in regard
> > to BELSEN, AND his statements were PROVED BY
> > OTHER EVIDENCE.
> >
> > Now, addressing the gas chamber issue, the “other
> > evidence” is lacking, unless Danny wants to admit
> > that Kramer was tortured by the British…which he
> > was, by the way. Better luck next time, Danny.
>
> I have found no evidence that Kramer was “tortured” by the British, although
> he was ill-treated. I have seen his original statement and it is written in
> English. I think this is far more significant than any abuse. Later he made
> a second statement in which he made “admissions”; this sounds a bit like an
> attempt to plea bargain.
>
> —
> “He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
> the accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
>
>>>>
I will not argue with that. Mistreatment can be a form
of torture. I didn’t mean to imply that he was stretched
on the rack…..