Blackmore part 1.2, Bellinger Joseph

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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> Joseph Belling, under the name [email protected], in
> <[email protected]>, writes, refusing, as usual, to
> give a source for his lies:
>
> rb>Too simple for you to ever understand, Miss Flower. I am through casting
> rb>pearls before swine.
>
> Curious. Now that we know you’re a man, you’re bitchier than
> ever.
>
> rb> As usual, I will have to embarass you again, Miss Flower. Do try
> rb>to keep those knickers up. First of all, let’s take this: You attempted
> rb>to discredit me by posting the following:
>
> rb>rb> Yes. I will suggest one. “An Eye for an Eye” bu Jewish author John
> rb>rb> Sack, who details the murder of more than 3 million German civilians
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> rb>rb> after the end of the war by Jewish mass murderers, many of whom are
> rb>rb> still wanted for their crimes and are hiding out in Israel today.
>
> rb>I never wrote that Sack used the figure of 3 million. That figure has already
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> rb>been published by many other sources, most notably the German Government,
> rb>whose files I referred you to…..What I wrote was simply my own commentary-
> rb>do try to get things STRAIGHT, Miss Flower….even if you aren’t so yourself.
>
> I don’t have to discredit you. If you had even half a brain,
> you’d see that you’ve just rather neatly discredited yourself.
>
>
>>>>
I fail to appreciate your point. I have done no such thing except in
your little fantasy world.

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>
> Who else is a hero of yours? “Frank Walus”?
>
> — Jake —
> —
> ************************************************************
> Jacob D. Goldstein
> [email protected] TASC
> Voice: (617)942-2000 55 Walkers Brook Drive
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>
>>>>
Frank Walus–another accused witch in the twentieth century revival
of the inquisition.-rb

From [email protected] Sat Dec 7 14:21:08 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: For Ms. Alpert-“A Shooting at Ilkenau”
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Annie Alpert writes:
[email protected] wrote:

In response to your comment on the shooting of
Tadeusz Lupa at Ilkenau from “The Good Old Days”
I was just wondering whether you ever stopped to
consider that Tadeusz Lupa ran because he committed
the crime? No one else made any attempt to flee-perhaps
because they were simply innocent.

_I_ was just owndering if _you_ ever stopped to consider that Tad Lupa
ran even though he didn’t commit any crime (except the crime of being
Jewish)? Based on the sketchy description in the excerpt, you can
hardly draw any conclusions.

Of course I thought about it. However, since the rest of the
village’s population didn’t run, I rejected your interpretation.-RB

BTW, what is your opinion of an invading army coming into a village that
is 50% Jewisha nd 50% Christian? What is your opinion of that army
rataliating on an attack of one of their members by persons unknown by
dragging the Jewish residents of the town out in the street and
murdering some of them and sending the rest of them to a slave and
extermination camp?-AA

Well, it wasn’t an “attack”. A man was murdered. Do you approve of that?
I am opposed to the taking of hostages, but I understand that such
was permitted by the Geneva Convention or the Hague…I know that
the French had a policy announced that for every Frenchman killed
or assassinated, 10 Germans would be shot in retaliation. As to the
rest of your comments, I don’t believe it was the German army, but
the Security Police. Also, the rest of the population wasn’t deported
until a few years later, so it had nothing to do with the incident in
question, so why don’t we stick to that for now?-RB

Is that ok with you?-AA

The way you describe it, of course not.-RB

>
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From [email protected] Sat Dec 7 14:21:09 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: “Good Old Days,4: Mass Shooting at Paneriai
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There seems to be little doubt that hundreds of Jewish males
between the ages of twenty-five and sixty-five were
executed at Paneriai, Lithuania in July, 1941. There also is little
doubt that Lithuanian nationals were responsible for the mass
shootings.

As corroboration, a number of German witnesses gave written
depostions in 1959. They gave an approximate number of
800 Jewish males shot. There also seems to have been two
photos taken at the scene of the execution, which the book
reproduces. It should be noted that no women and children
were shot at this site. Another fact of interest is that the photos
show NO German uniforms. The executioners were all Lithuanians.

When asked by a German witness to the shootings
why the Jewish men were being executed, the following
reasons were given by the exectioner/s:

“….after what we’ve gone through under the domination of
Russian Jewish Commissars, after the Russians invaded
Lithuania, we no longer find it difficult.” The man went on
to say that he had been suspected of spying by the Russians.
He had been arrested and had been thrown in and out of
various GPU prisons, although he was in no way guilty.
He said he had only been a lorry driver and never harmed
a soul. One of the methods the Soviets allegedly used to
make him confess was to tear out his fingernails. He told the
German that each of the Lithuanian guards present had had
to endure the most extreme suffering. He went on to say that
a Jewish Commissar, (In a scene reminiscent of the movie “Braveheart”),
had broken into a flat, tied up a man and raped his wife before the
man’s very eyes. Afterwards the Commissar had literally butchered
the wife to death, cut out her heart, fried it in a pan, and then ate it.

According to another man, a German soldier had been shot dead by a
sniper from a church tower, and for that reason, another 400 Jews were
to pay the extreme penalty.

Comment: It is clear that this was a “mob” action albeit a well-organized mob,
and one cannot reason with a mob. If the Lithuanian’s story about the
Commissar was true, that is certainly no justification for what they were doing.
In fact, one of the Jewish victims was able to speak briefly to the
German witness, remarking that he was only a composer. The Lithuanians
may indeed have suffered at the hands of the Soviets, and, yes,
some of them may have been Jewish.

However, I must say that the courts were the place to decide guilt or innocence.
On the other hand, Vilna was a hotbed of partisan activity, and many of the
partisans were Jews. The murder of the German soldier should also have been
investigated and punished through proper channels. The 400 to 1 ration was
not standard German procedure. The fact that these killings took
place in a war zone does not help matters when seeking a rational
answer for an irrational act, as war itself is irrational and inhumane.

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[email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:

If telling the truth is corrupting, then I guess I’m guilty. But you need
to go farther than the Cliff Notes and Bible Comix if you want to engage in
serious debate here.

Sara

You corrupt the truth every day, Sara, but it has nothing to do with Jesus.-rb

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> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:

.
>
> If telling the truth is corrupting, then I guess I’m guilty. But you need
> to go farther than the Cliff Notes and Bible Comix if you want to engage in
> serious debate here.
>
> Sara
>
> —
> “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the
> Christian religion.”
> George Washington, 1796
>
>>>>
You corrupt the truth every day, Sara, but it has nothing to do with Jesus.

From [email protected] Sat Dec 7 17:52:01 PST 1996
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> Chuck Ferree writes:
> Chuck Ferree writes:
>
> Betcha a beer this weirdo is a child molester.Hope his niece tells her
> mommy on him.

You’re a pathetic old fart with a filthy mouth, Chuck.
And all the beer in the world won’t clean it out.. You fit
in nicely with Nizkook supporters. Here is one of the guys
who was making the world safe for democracy.

From [email protected] Sun Dec 8 07:16:29 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Was this author there, Miss Flower? Or is he simply another dilletante,
> >like you?
>
> I don’t think he was there, Joe, but since he works as Professor of
> History at the University of Florida, and has written several volumes
> on German aside from UNDER THE BOMBS, he would not exactly fit my
> definition of a “delettante”, either.
>
> Why? Were you at Dresden during the bombing? If so, why aren’t you
> dead? I recall you saying that God was at Auschwitz because there were
> survivors, but he was absent from Dresden–so there must have been none
> there, right?
>
> Do you think a Dresden survivor would have been the best source for
> a body count? If so, would you accept a body count from an Auschwitz
> survivor as valid? I seem to recall you specifically making fun of
> body counts which originated from survivors. Personally, I would be
> skeptical of such counts as well, though I certainly would not have
> the atrocious taste to make fun of them. Do you think we should make
> fun of the testimony of Dresden survivors as you do of Holocaust
> survivors?
>
>>>>
It depends on the nature of the testimony.

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Subject: Re: ‘However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed’
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> [email protected] (Brian Harmon) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, wrote:
> >> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> >> On 5 Dec 1996 20:40:34 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >Good luck, read it, and weep.
> >>
> >> Ha! I hardly think so, Mr. Bellinger. That you can find one book
> >> that claims the French initiated the gas warefare in WWI is
> >> hardly surprising. That you would present it as fact or believe
> >> it is another matter.
> >
> >That your mind is closed tighter than a bank vault is not surprising to
> >me or anyone who reads these posts. The fact is, the book quotes
> >more than one reliable source to more than prove the facts. Only a
> >narrow minded bigot would dismiss these facts out of hand.-rb
>
> Blackmore produces one book claiming that the french used
> poison gas first, and he expects us to take it on gospel.
>
> Others in this forum cite many volumes, produce documents,
> photos, confessions, memoirs, forensic data, recorded
> speeches, and diaries that detail the Nazi policy to
> exterminate Jews. Despite all this evidence, Blackmore
> considers the Holocust to be a fraud.
>
> And yet Mr. Blackmore sees no contradiction between these
> two positions.
>
> – Brian
>
>
>>>>
That’s because there isn’t any.-rb

From [email protected] Sun Dec 8 07:16:31 PST 1996
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> Chuck Ferree writes:
> Chuck Ferree writes:
>
> Put up or shut up, turkey.
>
> snips
>
>
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > >
> (Harry W. Mazal OBE) wrote:
>
> > > >
> > > > [snip]
> > > >
> > > > The best proof that _anything_ that Dr. Keren posts is true is that
> > > > Mr. Blackmore denies it.
> > >
> clips
>
>
> > >
> > >>>>
> > If this is at all possible, I know less about what nonsense you are
> > posting than you do!
>
> Say What? See I asked you to read your post to make sure they made
> sense to you, and you just won’t listen. Yhe syntax is as gobbled as
> the logic.
>
> Chuck
>
>>>>
As is your spelling—-or typing—-or whatever.

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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:

Blackmore wrote to Danny Keren:
That Little ole name caller, Danny Keren.-rb

Danny wrote to Blackmore first: Dirty Nazi Scum….Nazi
boy…..

To Ken Lewis Blackmore writes:
Only a
narrow minded bigot would dismiss these facts out of hand.-rb

Ken wrote to Blackmore first: Nazi apologist….liar…

And in another post:
Are you really such a simpleton?=RB

And another:
Forget it, Ken. You and your Holokookdom empire is crumbling.
You can take your indisputable and insurmountable evidence
and go peddle it elsewhere. Peddle it to people who need to
hear it as reassurance- to people who live in a fantasy
world inhabited by boorish bigots like yourself.-RB

And I echo that same sentiment now.

To Chuck Ferree who does dish it out but this doesn’t mean tha
Blackmore/Ehrlich has to dive into the same muck. :
Chuckles-go play with your tonka trucks and leave the writing
of history to diletantes like Miss Flower.

As to Chuckles Fairy and Miss Flower-they’re two of a kind.
Tea for two, and two for tea,…..Tiptoe thru the tulips…….

In another:
You’re a pathetic old fart with a filthy mouth, Chuck.
And all the beer in the world won’t clean it out.. You fit
in nicely with Nizkook supporters. Here is one of the guys
who was making the world safe for democracy.

Why didn’t you post what Chuckles said to elicit those comments?

Blackmore To Danny Keren:

Silly man.

Indeed. Hateful man is more like it. He makes Kramer look like
a saint.

Blackmore To Sara:

Silly woman. Why do post things that make you look
more the fool every day?

Indeed. Read her posts.

And in another:
Isn’t it wonderful how well Mr./Ms/Blackmore/Belling parrots the Giwer
nonsense? He’s been beautifully trained, hasn’t he?

To which Sarah responds:
Bet he can sit up and beg, too.

To which Blackmore lewdly retorts:
Is that what your husband has to do?=rb

I thought that one was rather good myself……
She refers to me as a dog and I am
supposed to lick her hand or some other part of her
anatomy….I don’t think so.

But is any of this necessary if Blackmore claims he wants to further
discussion?

Well, then, ask your friends to cease and desist with their
unwarranted insults and provocations and you will all
see what a gentleman I am and always have been.
You know, this sort of nonsense could go on indefinitely
if I let it. Everyone can see what a hypocrite you are being,
and everyone can read for themselves the many filthy insults
and lewd innuendoes posted by your friends and colleagues,
not only against myself, but against anyone who disagrees with their
opinions. And yes, I will return insult for insult, as I have returned many of
your insults in the past. So don’t play the pius preacher Michael,
it doesn’t become you.

“Let’s just stick with the facts, Ma’m.”–Jack Webb

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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 6 Dec 1996 07:28:36 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> >Forget it, Ken. You and your Holokookdom empire is crumbling.
> >You can take your indisputable and insurmountable evidence
>
> Ha! Certainly not by any evidence [sic] you or any other liar,
> denier posts in this forum.
>
> >and go peddle it elsewhere. Peddle it to people who need to
> > hear it as reassurance- to people who live in a fantasy
> > world inhabited by boorish bigots like yourself.-RB
>
> Sorry, Mr. Bellinger, it is increasingly evident to all who read
> this newsgroup, that the bigot is you. You have lost every
> agrement you have engaged in (if you haven’t run away first) and
> the sources you quote make you look pretty silly, if not down
> right stupid. One book misstating the facts of WWI do not a
> historical fact make.
>
> Your nazi apologia and knee-jerk defense of all things German in
> defiance of the mountains of contrary and accepted evidence paint
> you as, well, either a nazi apologist or a first class idiot.
> While you usually come across as the former I lean towards the
> latter..
>
> Let’s see you get anything published and accepted into any
> legitimate historical journal to the effect that the French
> initiated gas warfare in WWII.
>
> I think you may have a career ahead of you at Noontide Press.
>
> Bellinger, I have become convinced that you are indeed a fool.
>
>
>>>>
What are you going to be when you grow up, Ken?

From [email protected] Sun Dec 8 07:16:34 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ‘However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed’
Date: 7 Dec 1996 13:02:30 GMT
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:

This does not seem to be a quote from Kramer’s diary. In fact,
it isn’t.

You are right: it is from the testimony of Dr. Johann Kremer. With an
‘e’.

Oh, dear me! How could I have made that error. Well, you win on
the spelling and I win on the argument.

Try to read for comprehension.

It is Kramer’s statement at his trial in 1947 in Crakow.

> >No it is from the trial testimony of Johann Kremer at Frankfurt, not
> >Joseph Kramer.
>
> As some kind soul has pointed out to me in private e-mail, the excerpt
> in question *is* from Johann Kremer’s trial testimony in Crackow.
>
> Kremer was deported to Germany and convicted on additional charges
> with his time served in Poland deducted from his sentence. After his
> release, Kremer, having been punished for his crimes, appeared as a
> witness at the Frankfurt trial. He told the same story in his diary,
> at Crackow, and at Frankfurt.
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
So I was right after all. But God forbid that you should ever admit
that! By the way, he told the same story with the exception that
his diary never mentions gas chambers. And of course he told the same
story–10 years imprisoned in a Polish dungeon and then re-tried in Germany
when he was released–of course he’ll say anything rather than go back to
prison.-rb

From [email protected] Sun Dec 8 08:37:32 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
Date: 7 Dec 1996 13:06:03 GMT
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> ibokor ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : His name would not be Hank Reichhorn by any chance?
> : You know, the grandson of the hief Rabbi of France in 1859
> : whose son migrated to the USA during the Dreyfuss affair
> : because he was afraid of retribution for he crimes of
> : that Jewish officer?
>
> Actually, Rabbi Reichorn’s son migrated to Poland during the Dreyfus
> affair because he knew that as the real author of the Protocols,
> he’d be in danger in France. His son, Schlomo Reichorn, was smuggled
> out of Germany by the Stern Gang in 1943, along with six million other
> Jews. After the war, they were shipped to New York to replace the
> bow-tie wearing Jews. Hank is Schlomo’s son.
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
Your comments are about as funny as Belsen.

From [email protected] Sun Dec 8 08:37:34 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> : > [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> : >
> : > You hear the familiar sound of a coward slithering away.
> : >
> : I didn’t know you could make such sounds, Gord.
>
>
> He can’t personally.
> What he does is to play a tape recording
> of your movements.
> If you have any doubts about the authenticity
> of this recording, we could have it analysed…..
>
>
> d.A.
>
>>>>
Silly little person.

From [email protected] Sun Dec 8 08:37:34 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
>
> Mr. Belling wrote:
>
> > yet never once thought of examining the Himmler tape,
> > which is much more important….Hmmmm….says something
> > about standards, wouldn’t you think?
>
> And then, just a few days later, he wrote:
>
> > The comments on the tape are insignificant.
>
>
> New orders from the home office, Mr. Belling?
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
Yep, OberGruppenfuehrer Raven. And what of your orders
>from Tel Aviv?

From [email protected] Sun Dec 8 12:02:20 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Belling sees trap, dives in
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[email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
Joseph Belling, posting as [email protected], writes in
<[email protected]> in response to the “Auschwitz
death march survivor’s story” I posted:

And what you need, Miss Flower, is a lesson in honesty, because this
whole narrative comes from John Sack’s book “An Eye for an Eye”.

I never denied that it did. I said that it was reconstructed from
conversations with Holocaust survivor Lola Potok, which is
essentially true–reconstructed by John Sack. (I fudged slightly,
as Sack used several other sources as well for this portion.)

You “fudged” and soiled yourself in the process,
and it doesn’t smell so good, either.
Well, now people may see what sort of person
you are-a man without princiiples.-rb

The next time you try and trick me, let us all know in advance, so I
won’t have to embarass you like this again.-rblackmore

This is very strange. Yes, I did try to trick you, supposing that
you had never cracked open Sack’s book.

Never try to suppose for me–or second guess me. Your
duplicity here was shameful.-rb

As it turns out, you actually did make it to page 3 (the
narrative is from pages 2 and 3).

And you *still* put your foot in it, or rather dived in headfirst.

The narrative most certainly is not from page 3. Another lie by a liar.-rb

Your message characterizes various details of Sack’s narrative as
“a clear literary rip off”, “a clear fabrication”, “not too
credible”, “most likely a lie”, and “Another lie”. I must
emphasize that Sack does not in any way qualify the narrative: it
is clearly what he believes, and what he intends the reader to
believe. He presents the story not as something someone told him,
but as the truth. (Contrast Sack’s treatment of the death march
story with his attempt to cast aspersions on the claim that Czeslaw
Geborski was a Roman Catholic, p. 131.) If Sack’s sources are lying
(and despite your various sneers, specious arguments, and historical
fantasies, I find no reason to believe they are), then Sack is at
fault for his gullibility, a fault which certainly must be
considered when evaluating the rest of his book.

Listen, enough of your distortions and lying to not only me, yourself,
and the public. Fault does not lie with Sack, who faithfully reproduces
the comments of Lola and the other murderers he interviewed. The
fault lies with the liars. Is this why Christ, according to the Gospels,
said, in John 8: “He was a liar and a murderer from the beginning?”
And to think Mr. Sack was gullible and naive enough to look for a deeper
meaning in the motives of murderers! There is none. It is Mr. Sack
who turns out to be the person with morals and a conscience-not
your Lola or Shlomo.-rb

Yet you have previously characterized Sack’s book as “100%
accurate” <[email protected]> and “very well
researched and written” <[email protected]>.

And indeed it is. Don’t be this pathetic, Miss Flower. This time you
have been thoroughly humiliated, and even your Nizkook colleagues
and all their words of support through additional insult will not save you
>from the mess you yourself created.-rb

And you don’t even *comprehend* how you’ve dived into it.

You don’t seem to comprehend the meaning of honesty, Miss Flower.-rb

Incredible-MF

Indeed.-rb

>>>

From [email protected] Sun Dec 8 12:02:21 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Schlomo Morel, child killer?
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[email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
Joseph Belling, under the name [email protected], in
[email protected]>, writes:

rb>I would suggest that Shlomo’s hiding out doesn’t look good
rb>for him.

CP>What do you mean by “hiding”? Sack had several conversations with
CP>him. Does the fact that he happens to live in Israel suffice for
CP>you to consider him a criminal? Well, yes, I suppose it does….

rb>No, the fact that he murdered children suffices for me to consider
rb>him a criminal. And you? What’s your excuse?

Why do you believe that Schlomo Morel murdered children?

Because he did. Children were not exempt from incarceration
in Shlomo’s beloved concentration camp, where he was undisputed
lord and master and as vile as any Nazi we have ever read about.-rb

From the accounts which appear in Sack’s book (and which he, at least,
obviously believes, though on the basis of no more than victim
testimony), Morel was and is a detestable human being, but I
missed any murder of children. Page number?

And on the basis of Morel’s own words to him and the fact that he
is wanted for questioning in Poland on charges of mass murder. Of
course Mr. Sack was allowed to speak with him-Mr. Sack is Jewish.-rb
>
> And for what exactly do I need an excuse? Telling the truth?
> Insisting on accuracy? Neglecting to kiss the ass of Nazis?

No-you kiss the asses if murderers, and have abandoned any
principles or ethics you may have once held in regard to being
truthful.-rb
>
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Sun Dec 8 12:02:22 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
Date: 6 Dec 1996 07:58:11 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > > > The Criminal Giwer rewrites some more history:
> > > > On 1 Dec 1996 08:38:09 GMT, [email protected] (Brian Harmon) wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>What I am questioning and what I have always questioned is
> > the authenticity of the soound recording which was allegedly
> > taken of the speech in question.
> >
> > This has been discussed in the past, i believe Matt Giwer
> > made similar statements.
> >
> > A wager was proposed to Mr. Giwer:
> >
> > Himmler’s Ponzan speech would be sent to experts
> > to determine if the speech is authentic, the loser
> > (whether it woulkd be Giwer or Nizkor) would pay
> > the costs of the analysis.
> >
> > Are you game?
>
> The question is, Mr. Belling, are _you_ game?
>
> Or are you, as I suspect, all mouth and no spine?
>
> [snip]

>
>>>>
The comments on the tape do not prove your contention of
Jews being murdered in gas chambers. Therefore, it is irrelevant,
and why should I pay simply for the pleasure of watching you
squirm, when I can see that everyday.

From [email protected] Sun Dec 8 12:02:22 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> “Kurt Stele” writes about Himmler’s Posen speeches:
>
> # If the tape was legit the cowardly Jewish Holohoax Industry
> # would have already tested it by now.
>
> You must really be desperate, kurtzi. We offered to test it.
> Moreover, “leading revisionists” like Faurisson and Irving
> agree Himmler said these things. Faurisson’s explanation
> is that Himmler “indulged in a bit of braggadocio”, and
> probably didn’t mean what he said. But then, Faurisson is
> about as crazy as you (well, maybe a little less).
>
> # Just like the cowards have to resort to imprisoning revisionists
> # and censoring websites to keep the public from finding out about
> # it.
>
> kurtzi, what do you think about Matt Giwer’s letter to my ISP,
> demanding to kick me off the net and threatening to mail-bomb
> him if he doesn’t?
>
> Care to answer, kurtzi?
>

>
>
>>>>
That Little ole name caller, Danny Keren.-rb

From [email protected] Sun Dec 8 12:02:23 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Israeli Court Values Palestinian Life at One-Third of a Cent
Date: 6 Dec 1996 08:01:05 GMT
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> : It should be emphasized that defenders of Holocaust orthodoxy do
> : not allow for a detached discussion of the event. Holocaust proponents,
> : such as Diane Lipstadt…
>
> It would be nice if you’d try to get your facts straight–there’s no
> such person as “Diane Lipstadt.” Nevertheless, you do make a point.
> The behavior of the Israeli security forces is often indefensible.
> It’s interesting to note, though, that deniers and antisemites who
> chose to make Israeli policy a part of the Holocaust “debate” never
> mention the children and other civilians kiled by Palestinian
> terrorists.
>
> Why is that, Ivan?
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
I will mention it. Now, what do you have to say to that?

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> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> > Don’t attempt to turn the tables here Mr. McFee. It was definitely
> > your colleagues, like Mark, etc. who started the rough stuff, and you
> > finally decided to play tagalong as well. I asked for a cease firing a
> > long time ago…..
>
> Then give us an explanation. Why are you trolling for little boys in
> alt.arcadia?
>
> Sara
>
> —
> “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the
> Christian religion.”
> George Washington, 1796
>
>>>>
Silly woman. Why do post things that make you look
more the fool every day? If I were a homosexual, is that
supposed to be an insult or a slur? I think the “Gay Rights
Movement” would be interested in your reply.

From [email protected] Mon Dec 9 13:27:54 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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[email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
Her family was all she thought of. Born twenty miles away in
Bedzin to a father and mother versed in the Torah, Lola had had
ten older brothers and sisters: a boxer, a foreman, a CPA, a
couturier, a pop band leader whose hottest song was “Blue Skies
(Smiling at Me)”, a philologist and a pilot among them. But when,
in 1943, the Germans smashed in her family’s door shouting,
“Schmutzige Juden! You dirty Jews! Heraus! Get out!” and cattle-
carred many of these brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces, and
Lola’s mother and Lola’s daughter to Auschwitz, the only one who
the Germans considered able-bodied was Lola, then twenty-one. The
rest were selected by Mengele, the SS’s whistling doctor, to be
gassed (or, in one case, hanged) and be cremated in the ovens
whose sickening smell had the SS sneering at Auschwitz as Anus
Mundi. Among the condemned was Lola’s daughter, age one.
And now, one-and-a-half years later, as sixty thousand people
moved like the Doomed, as SS in black woolen cloaks cried,
“Weiter! Go on!” as SS dogs in black woolen blankets snarled, as
SS in pell-mell retreats shot the people who, for any reason,
stopped, as waste matter ran down the other people’s legs, and as
Lola shuffled by one, two, three hundred corpses–now, Lola just
thought of Ada, of Zlata. Straggling beside her, Ada and Zlata,
the wives of two of her brothers, were, to her knowledge, her
only surviving relatives. SS in pell-mell retreats shot the people who, for any reason,
stopped, as waste matter ran down the other people’s legs, and as
Lola shuffled by one, two, three hundred corpses–now, Lola just
thought of Ada, of Zlata. saying, (Snipped the Trnip soup. and how the
Jews all thought it was poison ivy)
“Eat it,” Ada and Zlata crying, “I can’t,” Lola yelling, “Swallow
it!” and Ada and Zlata downing it, holding their noses. At
Auschwitz, Lola had yelled like a drill instructor in her
> determination that the Potok family should survive. And now, she
> sneaked from the slow-moving column to dig up four frozen
> potatoes to pass to Ada and Zlata, who put them under their
> armpits to thaw before wolfing them down. “They need me,” Lola
> told herself, for her will to live depended on her two sisters-
> in-law.
>
> At dawn the black became gray. The air and the earth were the
> same cardboard color, and the homes by the road were just darker
> blotches. It was so cold that some firing pins cracked as the SS
> shot hundreds of Jews. At noon Ada cried, “I see some meat!” and
> ran to a snow-covered meadow where a dead animal lay, but before
> the SS could shoot her, she ran back saying, “No, it’s human.” At
> twilight, the SS finally said, “Stehen bleiben! Stop!” and as
> Zlata slumped to the snow, starting to eat it, Lola knocked on a
> German’s door, saying, “We need some bread.” What she got, she
> shared with Zlata–just Zlata, for Ada had disappeared. Ada’s
> shoes had fallen apart and had fallen off.
>
> –Reconstructed from conversations with Holocaust survivor Lola
> Potok
>
>
>
>
>>>>
You’re going to jump all over me for this, but I have
problems with this testimony.

1. Assuming that what you write is correct, let’s examine the narrative,
First of all, aside from the mother and
infant, we are not told which relatives of Lola’s actually accompanied
the family to Auschwitz. I think this is important, for what I think are
rather obvious reasons.

2. We receive no details over the family member who was allegedly
hanged, nor are we told who ordered the hanging and why. We also are
not told if Lola actually witnessed the hanging. Hangings, by the way, were
usually carried out in public, in front of the whole compound as witnesses, for
an offense punishable by hanging. This applied even to the SS. For
instance, Erich Koch, ex-commandant of Buchenwald, was tried and convicted
by the SS on charges of murder, extortion, etc., and sentenced to suffer death
by hanging. He was hanged in front of the entire compound at Buchenwald, in
full view of the inmates and staff.

3. ” whose sickening smell had the SS sneering at Auschwitz as Anus
Mundi..” This is a clear literary rip off from the excerpt in Kramer’s diary
and seems to have been placed in the commentary for effect. It was
also used as the title of a book written by a Polish ex-inmate of Auschwitz.
So the author of this book is familiar with traditional Holocaust literature.

4. ” as SS in black woolen cloaks cried,
“Weiter! Go on!” as SS dogs in black woolen blankets snarled,”….
Here is a clear fabrication by Lola, as the SS did not wear black woolen overcoats.
The black uniform was discontinued in 1939, and was for the Allgemeine SS,
not for any other service tunic.

5. ” SS in pell-mell retreats shot the people who, for any reason,
stopped, as waste matter ran down the other people’s legs, and as
Lola shuffled by one, two, three hundred corpses–now, Lola just
thought of Ada, of Zlata.” –The SS guards had no authority to shoot
prisoners on sight, and if they did so, were in violation of SS orders, as well
as German law. We are not given the identities of any of the alleged shooters
by Lola.

6. “the Jews thought it was poison ivy”. No doubt they did, just as
they thought other Jews were gassed to death, and thrown alive
into cremation ovens…”

7. ” And now, she
sneaked from the slow-moving column to dig up four frozen
potatoes to pass to Ada and Zlata, who put them under their
armpits to thaw before wolfing them down.” Another possible
fabrication from Lola, which the author of your source faithfully
records for posterity. This is not too credible, with all those SS
guards in black woolen coats shooting anyone who so much as
even farted.

8. ” It was so cold that some firing pins cracked as the SS
shot hundreds of Jews” Again, this is most likely a lie, but the
author faithfully preverves her story for posterity.

9. At noon Ada cried, “I see some meat!” and
ran to a snow-covered meadow where a dead animal lay, but before
the SS could shoot her, she ran back saying, “No, it’s human.
Another lie by Lola, who imagined that she could justify her own crimes
against innocent German civilians by reciting these fairy tales.

10. ” the SS finally said, “Stehen bleiben! Stop!” and as
> Zlata slumped to the snow, starting to eat it, Lola knocked on a
> German’s door, saying, “We need some bread.”

And what you need, Miss Flower, is a lesson in honesty, because this
whole narrative comes from John Sack’s book “An Eye for an Eye”.
The next time you try and trick me, let us all know in advance, so I
won’t have to embarass you like this again.-rblackmore

“The truth or not the truth-THAT is the question. The truth and ALL
the truth, that is the answer.”

From [email protected] Mon Dec 9 13:27:54 PST 1996
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[email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
Joseph Belling, under the name [email protected], in
<[email protected]>, writes:

Charlene Flower, under the name Charles Power, writes:

Why “needless to say”? This is Belfrage’s bona fides? Good lord,
why would anyone believe some kook kicked out of the United
States as a red (no easy task, even in the McCarthy era)?

> I repeat: What are your reasons to suppose Belfrage’s stories to
> be true?
>
>>>>
Because they are confirmed by other sources. Until you read the
entire book, I would advise you to keep your trap shut, before I
have to embarass you again, like I did in your Auschwitz Post, Miss
Flower. BTW, are you saying you agree with Senator Joseph McCarthy
and Roy Cohn, who were responsible for this man’s expulsion? Inquiring
minds want to know.

From [email protected] Tue Dec 10 05:43:01 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Dec 1996
> 22:55:22 GMT writes:
> :>
>
> [deleted]
>
> :>> BTW, spare me the histrionics about the way anyone responds to your posts.
> :>> You started the rough stuff, you brought it upon yourself. Your whining now
> :>> rings hollow.
>
> :>Don’t attempt to turn the tables here Mr. McFee. It was definitely
> :>your colleagues, like Mark, etc. who started the rough stuff, and you
> :>finally decided to play tagalong as well. I asked for a cease firing a
> :>long time ago…..
>
> The same day you asked for a cease-fire, you posted several crude remarks in
> the same group of messages. Small wonder that I was not impressed.
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Were they addressed to you?

From [email protected] Tue Dec 10 05:43:02 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message [email protected] (Mark
> Van Alstine)Mon, 02 Dec 1996 23:50:29 -0700 writes:
> :>
> :>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gord
> :>McFee) wrote:
> :>
> :>> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] writes:
> :>> :>
> :>> :>> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> :>> :>
> :>> :>SNIP
> :>> :>>
> :>——————————————————————————–
> :>> :>>
> :>> :>>>>>
> :>> :>Mark-go eat your buttered bagel.
> :>>
> :>> What’s wrong with a buttered bagel?
> :>
> :>Buttered? Er, I prefer mine toasted and with cream cheese, thank you….. 😉
>
> I like ’em toasted with peanut butter, but what’s wrong with plain butter?
> (However, I’m just a goy-toy boy in training.)
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
I never cared much for bagels myself.

From [email protected] Tue Dec 10 05:43:03 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Date: 6 Dec 1996 07:40:12 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> Dr. Theodor Friedrich Leidig, testifying about one of the first
> gassings in Sachsenhausen, in which Soviet POW’s were murdered
> [Quoted in “Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the
> Use of Poison Gas”, edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and
> A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, p. 54]
> ——————————————————————-
> I was told that the people who had climbed into the truck were
> Russians who would otherwise have had to be shot. They were looking
> for a different way of killing them. We then went to another place,
> where we met the truck again. It was near the crematory oven. I can
> still remember that one could see through a peephole or a small
> window into the inside of the truck, which was lit up. One could see
> that the people were dead. The van was opened. Some bodies fell
> out; the others were unloaded by prisoners. Those of us who were
> chemists could ascertain that the bodies had that pinkish look which
> is typical of victims of carbon monoxide poisoning.
>
>>>>
He was told….how nice. And now Danny is here to tell us.

From [email protected] Tue Dec 10 05:43:03 PST 1996
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> Chuck Ferree writes:
> Chuck writes:

.
>
> Con-men are some of the worlds most despicable humans. Pro-Nazi
> con-men…well I can’t bring myself to write my feelings. But they
> ain’t good, pal.
>
> And stop sticking your tongue out at me. Silly goose!
> Chuck
>
>>>>
Chuckles-go play with your tonka trucks and leave the writing
of history to diletantes like Miss Flower.

From [email protected] Tue Dec 10 05:43:04 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> # By the way, I speak 3 languages besides English.
>
> And he obviously lies in all of them.
>
> Remember his claim that Amon Goeth was “executed by the SS for
> mistreating Jews”? In reality, he was tried and executed by the
> Poles, after the war.
>
> When his lie was exposed, the lying Nazi apologist “rblackmore”
> blamed a “Jewish researcher” who allegedly supplied him with
> this false information…
>
> What a stupid, lying Nazi.
>
> Can he perhaps tell us:
>
> 1) Who this “Jewish researcher” is?
>
> 2) How come he [“rblackmore”] didn’t know that Goeth was executed
> by the Poles? With his “60,000 books” and all?
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Silly man.

From [email protected] Thu Dec 12 05:22:53 PST 1996
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In 1945, 3 Jewish American Soldiers and an officer marched
into a Mr. Cerfontaine’s home and business and
brusquely informed him of the following:

“Herr Cerfontaine, we have requisitioned this property,
the newsprint in the property next door, the newsprint
at 65 Ottostrasse, and all the contents, furniture and
equipment in this building……Please convey this infor-
mation to the other occupants of this building. You have
two days in which to move yourself and your effects from
the apartment upstairs. After that you will not return except
by obtaining permission in advance from me.”

From: Seeds of Destruction, C. Belfrage, p. 30.

So that was it. Captain Springer had spoken. That was
all it took to dispossess a man and his family from a business
and a home which was bought and paid for by hard work and
sacrifices over two decades previous.
Imagine this happening in America or Canada.
If the Nizkooks get their way….it will.

From [email protected] Thu Dec 12 11:57:18 PST 1996
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Irma Grese.

From [email protected] Fri Dec 13 06:52:25 PST 1996
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Not only that-but they seem to discriminate against Jews who
are not born Jews, but who convert. The publication Jewish
Currents details a story about how an Israeli Prime Minister
signed into effect a law which compels converts traveling to
either visit or reside in Israel, to have their passports stamped
with a capital “C”, for Convert. Similar to the Nazi legislation
where Jewish passports were once stamped with a “J” for Jew.
Strange how history repeats itself…..(In response to Mr. Moran’s
comments).

From [email protected] Tue Dec 17 06:59:10 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> [email protected] wrote to Chuck Ferree:
> :
> : You’re a pathetic old fart
> :
>
>
> Another typo! You should really exercise more
> care! That should be “*SYM*pathetic old fart”
>
> d.A.
>
>
>
>>>>
Sympathetic to you, perhaps.-rb

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> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> : why should I pay simply for the pleasure of watching you
> : squirm, when I can see that everyday.
>
> You shouldn’t! *We* pay if we squirm. You and your cohorts
> only pay if we *don’t* squirm.
>
> Given the terms of the challenge, your comment above can
> only be taken to signify that you know the recording to
> be authentic, despite your claim that it is a forgery.
> After all, you and your cohorts only bear the costs
> if the recording is authentic.
>
> d.A.
>
>>>>
If I regarded the recording as authentic, I would have said so
by now. I merely comment that the remarks are really insignificant
and do not lend support to your claims that Jews were being gassed.

From [email protected] Tue Dec 17 06:59:12 PST 1996
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Take my wife—please!

From [email protected] Tue Dec 17 06:59:12 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> : The only “Difficulty” here is believing in these fairy tale
> : gas vans.
>
> Alfred Saurer AG made a tidy sum producing them
> and redesigning them to overcome the “difficulty”
> caused by the vitims rushing to the rear and
> causing them to be unstable.
>
> d.A.
>
>>>>
And of course you can direct us to a model of these vans
today? Fact is, gas vans were commonly used to disinfect
clothing and equipment for soldiers at the front. They killed
nothing but lice. Your “vans” to kill human beings were alleged
to have had a killing capacity of around 60 persons. If that were
the case, they’d still be working on Wilna to this day.–rb

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> [email protected] (Brian Harmon) writes:

>
> So now you’re libeling the Crackow Insititute? How predictable.
>
>
> Brian Harmon
> ——
> Human memory is the glue that bonds the massive
> physical evidence into a coherent and unified history.
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>
The Crakow institute-that unassailable paradigm of truth-like the
Soviet Extraordinary Commission or the Auschwitz Museum….rb

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Subject: Re: Mr. Gandhi’s “handle”
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> Marty Kelley writes:
> On Sun, 15 Dec 1996, tom moran wrote:
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> > > Which proves nothing about “Gandhi”. Going by his writing style,
> > >”Gandhi” is obviously a Jew.
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> > The same goes for “McFee”.
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> Oooh, that’s a new one, Mr. Moran–could you explain how you can tell what
> people’s ethnic/religious backgrounds are by their writing style? This
> will no doubt be of great use to Science.
>
> ———————-
> Marty Kelley ([email protected])
>
> “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint.
> When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist.”
> –Dom Helder Camara
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Rahter than go through all that, perhaps Mr. McFee and Mr. Gandhi shall answer
the question directly.

From [email protected] Tue Dec 17 08:23:38 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> “Thomas Stedham” writes:

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> My questions are simple: a) was/is there a plaque at Auschwitz? b) has it
> been changed to reflect a lower bodycount? c) if so, why?
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There were 19 such slabs at Auschwitz all repeating the same lies
in different languages. Each and every slab has now been etched
out.–rb

From [email protected] Tue Dec 17 08:23:39 PST 1996
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[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
[email protected] wrote:

# They also filled the latrines and compound with trash and
# filth, so much so that the latrines eventually ceased to
# function. This would explain the pervasive stench around
# Auschwitz and another reason why it was referred to as
# .Anus Mundi..

Unfortunately for our lying Nazi-apologist, the reason
why Auschwitz was referred to by that name, was the horror
it inspired in some of those who witnessed the mass murder
of innocent human beings there:

Notes From Diary of SS-Doctor Kremer, while in Auschwitz
[‘The Good Old Days’ – E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 256-268]
—————————————————————-
2 September 1942

3.00 a.m. attended my first Sonderaktion. Dante’s Inferno seems to
me almost a comedy compared to this. They don’t call Auschwitz the
extermination camp for nothing!

5 September 1942
>
> In the morning attended a Sonderaktion from the women’s concentration
> camp (Muslims); the most dreadful of horrors. Hschf. Thilo — army
> doctor — was right when he said to me this is the ‘anus mundi’. In
> the evening towards 8.00 attended another Sonderaktion from
> Holland.
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> [‘Muslims’ does not mean “practicing Islam”; this is the way the SS
> referred to emaciated people].
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> -Danny Keren.
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Yes–these womwn were undoubtedly suffering from dysentery and had been
brought to the sauna or disinfection and treatment building. They thought they
were going to be killed, according to the pervasive rumours throughout the camp.
They were undoubtedly covered in excrement through no fault of their own, therefore,
Kremer uses the term “Anus Mundi”. Also, I believe the exact quote should be
:” They don;’t call Auschwitz the camp of annihilation for nothing.”
Typhus and dysentery consumes. They are wasting diseases.-rb

From [email protected] Tue Dec 17 11:18:54 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
Otto Ohlendorf, chief of Einsatzgruppe D, testifies about Nazi
> mass murder in the occupied USSR. Source: IMT Vol. IV, testimony
> starts at page 311.
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Snip
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1598. The Tribunal of Lublin sentenced three Jews to death on
ritual murder charges….The body of the murdered boy was transferred
to a local church by the jesuits, where he was venerated as a martyr.
Similar trials occurred throughout Poland.

(Anti- Semitism-Causes and Effects)

From [email protected] Wed Dec 18 08:19:16 PST 1996
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Subject: Now Playing….Irma Grese
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Irma Grese was only 21 years old when she became a defendant at the infamous “Belsen Trial”. Few would have imagined that the
young and beautiful Grese was capable of committing the crimes of which she was accused. The testimony from the Belsen Trial
indicates that Miss Grese was an SS Aufseherin, or Overseer, who was assigned duties along with seven other women to guard
over 20-30 thousand inmates, most of them Hungarian Jewesses detained at Auschwitz. Indeed, it was more for her tenure of
service at Auschwitz, rather than Belsen, for which she was charged and convicted. The circumstances of her case clearly indicate
that Grese was simply a victim of malicious gossip and accusations made by ex-prisoners hell bent on exacting their ounce of blood
>from their former guards. Unjust accusations of this sort are not uncommon within prisons. However, in our justice system, such
complaints are often not acted upon, as it is only to be expected that the detained will harbor resentments against their guards. This
is not to say that mistreatment in prisons does not occur. Undoubtedly it does.

In the case of Irma Grese, one should simply reflect on the fact that it is not easy to manage 20-30,000 inmates. Auschwitz was a
detention center, where criminals were freely interspersed among those simply being held in “protective custody”. As a young
woman of rather slight stature, it is only common sense to assume that as a guard among so many prisoners, Miss Grese took
measures to safeguard her own safety. Thus, it has been reported that she carried a stick with her and was often escorted by a
dog. In correctional facilities all over the world, such measures are commonplace among staff members justifiably concerned with
their own safety. The usual mistake made in evaluating cases like Irma Grese’s is that the average person is more or less unaware
that guards at Auschwitz had every legal right to take measures to ensure their own safety and to maintain order.

Grese joined the SS in 1942, against the wishes of her father, and was stationed for a time at Ravensbrueck, a camp for women.
In 1943 she was transferred to Auschwitz and stationed in Birkenau. How she actually came to be a member of the SS is unclear.
According to her testimony, she was sent to work in the camps by the German Labour Exchange. Obviously the recruiting and
acceptance criteria for female members of the SS was different from that of males, although I have been unable to uncover any
guidelines. At any rate, Grese remained at Auschwitz until January, 1945, after which she was sent on to Belsen at her own
request.. If she had been sent to any other camp, we most likely would never have even heard of her.

Grese’s duties at Auschwitz varied. Most of her work was rather benign, such as sorting through parcels and overseeing
construction projects. However, from May until December, 1944, Grese was appointed senior Aufseherin for Compound “C”, which
turned out to be the eventual cause of her undoing. There she had to oversee 20-30,000 Hungarian Jewesses, all held in
protective custody. The huge influx of detainees created problems which were addressed with difficulty by the relatively young and
inexperienced Grese. Most of the problems centered around the distribution of food. The overcrowding also led to sanitation
problems, which Grese was scarcely capable of handling. The detainees themselves helped to create many of the problem
situations, as at Belsen, where they urinated and defecated whenever and wherever the urge struck them. They also filled the
latrines and compound with trash and filth, so much so that the latrines eventually ceased to function. This would explain the
pervasive stench around Auschwitz and another reason why it was referred to as “Anus Mundi”.

Grese was accused of beating prisoners herself or ordering then to be beaten. Grese herself admitted that she sometimes struck
prisoners with a cellophane whip and gave orders that anyone caught stealing from the kitchens was to be beaten. While this
seems harsh, one should bear in mind that the prisoners who stole food from the kitchens were actually stealing the food right out of
the mouths of fellow prisoners at a time when food itself was scarce. Thus their crime of theft was paricularly grievous, and
undoubtedly warranted strict punishment.

As head Aufseherin, Grese was also responsible for conducting roll call. Often prisoners were compelled to stand for hours until the
roll call was verified as correct. However, this is common procedure at any institution and should not particularly concern us here.
Grese was accused of administering vicious beatings. However, the accusations were never proven. At Belsen, she was too
horrified at the condition of the sick inmates to even approach them.

Greses’s comments about the alleged gas chambers at Auschwitz are most interesting. She never saw a gas chamber, but
remarked that she heard about them from prisoners. Other SS staff also seemed to know nothing about them save what the
prisoners rumored. Thus, when she wrote SB for “Sonder Behandlung” in her strength book, she assumed that these people were
sent to the rumored gas chambers.

There is no doubt that Miss Grese struck prisoners, but there is
also no doubt that the prisoners deliberately exaggerated their
alleged mistreatment. They often embellished each and every
little tale and accusation of beating. Grese’s testimony rings of
truth and candidness, quite alike the testimony of many of her
accusers. Much ado was made over the accusation that Grese
was always accompanied by a fierce dog, which she set upon
the prisoners for amusement. Grese denied ever having a dog.
In fact, the matter could have been cleared up by asking the
other Aufseherin who worked with her, but neither the prosecution
nor the defense ever pursued this line of questioning as they should have.

Though the prosecutor tried his best, it was my feeling that he
failed to connect Irma Grese with any crimes which would
have warranted the imposition of the death penalty. He was
unable to connect her to any alleged gassings, as well as any
individual cases of murder. The curious thing about the
accusations is that the victims were all anonymous. Not one
alleged victim of murder was ever mentioned by name by any of
the accusors. Of course, that is only because their accusations
were false. Though the prosecutor attempted to portray Miss
Grese in a negative light after her transfer to Belsen, he failed, IMO.
Most of Miss Grese’s time at Belsen was taken up with preparing
funerals for SS staff members who were also dropping like flies in the
camp due to the typhus epidemic.

Summing up, it is clear that Irma Grese did not deserve the death
penalty, as the prosecution failed to live up to the burden of proof
which would be required in any impartial court today. Clearly Miss
Grese was guilty of striking prisoners on occasion, but this was
usually for some offense or infraction of one sort or another,. As
usual, the professional witnesses and “survivors” failed to get their
stories straight and their testimony differed considerably from their
written affadavits. It was hardly necessary for an allied court to try
Miss Grese on charges of mistreating prisoners in a detention camp,
which was legally instituted by the legitimate government of Germany.
Such offenses as beating prisoners could easily have been handled
by the German authorities themselves. However, it WAS necessary
that examples be made in 1945-46. Thus, Miss Grese was convicted
and sentenced to death. Neither her youth nor the truth saved her life
from being terminated by some stuffy old English Judge faithfully fulfilling
the orders and expectations of his own government. Under the guise
of legality, Irma Grese was lynched.

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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) wrote:
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> >On Fri, 06 Dec 1996 17:16:39 GMT, [email protected] (Mike
> >Curtis) wrote:
> >
> >>
> >
> >>But is any of this necessary if Blackmore claims he wants to further
> >>discussion?
> >
> >You’re assuming Mr. Bellinger _wants_ to further discussion
> >instead of simply being in love with the sound of his keys
> >clacking.
> >
>
> I’d hate to assume anything of the cypher calling itself
> [email protected] and posting via sprynet. I was hoping that the
> pot-kettle-black stuff might stop and the useless one liners stop.
> Alas, Blackmore, unlike most of us cannot seem to learn.
>
> >In the case of Mr. Bellinger, as I have stated before, the
> >problem is that his brain has never had a thought that his mouth
> >counldn’t use. Unfortunatly, he rarely puts his brain in gear
> >before he puts his mouth in motion.
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More insults and name calling from mr. Curtis. How insipidly droll.

From [email protected] Wed Dec 18 08:19:18 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 17 Dec 1996 09:52:41 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
[email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
On 9 Dec 1996 23:51:42 GMT, “Tbone”

two Jewish holokook historians who disagree on the figures of alleged gassed at
Auschwitz. There were 19 such slabs at Auschwitz at the time of the Pope’s visit. All
of these slabs have been etched out since the Auschwitz Museum finally readjusted
their figures, which were accepted overwhelmingly by historians in Eastern Europe.
The fact that Jews were not specifically mentioned on the plaques is also irrelevant, as
an examination of the figures of other dead at Auschwitz were minimal. The only victims
left were Jews.

I see you know less than I thought. And why did Poland inflate
those figures, Mr. Bellinger? And what number of non-Jewish Poles
were they attempting to include in that number, Mr. Bellinger?

Why did Poland inflate those figures? Why do you ask me? I did not inflate them.
Refer your question to the proper authority. I have posted the number of Poles in a
previous post on this same subject. You should be able to find the post and the figures
on Deja news. it was posted about 3 to 4 months ago,–rb

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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 16 Dec 1996 13:40:34 GMT, [email protected] (Tutu101) wrote:
>
> >,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.female,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.pornst
> >ar,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.pornstars,alt.sex.pictures.female
> >Subject: From the Siacom Archives -f- sian0500.jpg
> >Date: 8 Dec 1996 00:07:33 GMT
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> >For all and sundry–this is the work of those two holocaust
> >scholars–Chuck Feree and Michael Stein……What I want to know is who
> >plays the man and who plays the woman—or is it on a first come first
> >serve basis?
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> Mr. Bellinger, it seems you have made the decision to climb all
> the way into the muck and wallow in the mire with the rest of
> your nazi friends. You could have saved all of us the suspense
> and gone there right from the start. We all knew you’d wind up
> their eventually. Birds gotta fly – nazi apologist’s gotta wallow
> in the mud with the rest of the swine. Glad to see you have
> finally settled into rightful place. Guess I was right after all,
> eh? You are a lowlife, scumbag, nazi apologist!
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Thanks for admitting your prejudices from the beginning. Now, who posted
the filth in response to my legitimate posts? Funny I don’t hear you whinning
about that.–rb

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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:

Yes–these womwn were undoubtedly suffering from dysentery and had been
brought to the sauna or disinfection and treatment building.

Er, no. If Mr. Belling weren’t such a lying scumbag Nazi apologist, he
would have the honesty to acknowledge that these “Moslem” women, according
to Kremer, were murdered with poison gas in one of the bunkers. (cf.
Czech, _KL Auschwitz_, p.215fn.)

Furthermore, Mr. Belling’s abject ignorance of the delousiung and
disinfestation installations at Auschwitz II-Birkenau manifests itself for
all to see. There were two Zyklon B disinfestation chambers (BW 5a and 5b)
in BI; there was a disenfestation installation in BIIe (the “Gypsy Camp”);
and there was the disenfestation autoclaves and ovens of BW 32 (the
“Sauna”). (Pressac, _Technique_, pp.53,63,65.)

Unfortunately for Mr. Belling _none_ of these disinfestation installations
_existed_ on September 5, 1942 -the date these “Moslem” women were
murdered in Birkenau! (cf. Ibid.)

You have no proof these women were murdered. What seems logical is that some sort
of delousing and cleaning facility was set up on a temporary basis to treat these unfortunates.–rb

They thought they were going to be killed, according to the pervasive rumours
throughout the camp.

Indeed. If Mr. Belling weren’t such a lying scumbag Nazi apologist, he
would have the honesty to acknowledge that Kremer stated:

“…I could deduce from the behavior of these women that they realized
what was awaiting them. They begged the SS men to be allowwed to live,
they wept, but all of them were driven into the gas chamber and
gassed….” (Czech, _KL Auschwitz_, p.215fn.)

This does NOT come from his diary, but from his Soviet-Polish Show trial, therefore,
I reject this statement as you reject the statements of Jews who confessed to committing
ritual murder.–rb

They were undoubtedly covered in excrement through no fault of their own,
therefore, Kremer uses the term “Anus Mundi”.

Er, no. If Mr. Belling weren’t such a lying scumbag Nazi apologist, he
would have the honesty to acknowledge that Kremer stated:

“…Being and anatomist I had seen many horrors, had to do with corpses,
but what I saw then was not to be compared with anything seen ever before.
It was under the influence of these impressions that I noted in my diary,
under the date of September 5, 1942: ‘The most horrible of all horrors.
_Hauptsturmfu”hrer_ Thilo – was right saying today to me that we were
located in the ‘_anus mundi_’. I had used this expression because I could
not imagine anything more sickening and more horrible.” (Ibid.)

Yes. I believe the reference refers to the ill and the dying and their deplorable
physical condition due to their illnesses.–rb

Also, I believe the exact quote should be:” They don;’t call Auschwitz
the camp of annihilation for nothing.” Typhus and dysentery consumes.
They are wasting diseases.

Er, no. The passage from Kremer’s diary in _KL Auschwitz_ (p.214) reads as
follows:

September 2, Was present for first time at special action [49] at
1942. 3 a.m. In comparison with it Dante’s Inferno seems
to be almost a comedy.[50] Auschwitz is justly called
an extermination camp!

Well, he did not write this in English. What is the original German?–rb

Footnote 50 leaves no doubt that Kramer was refering to homicidal gassings
when calling Auschwitz an extermination camp and _not_, as the lying
scumbag Nazi apologist Mr. Belling fallaciously suggests, “typhus and
dysentery.” To whit:

“50 Kremer was one of the defendants at the trial of the Auschwitz camp
garrison. The trial took place at the sittings of the Supreme National
Tribunal in Cracow in the time from November 24 till December 22, 1947.
During the interrogatory Kremer had been repeatedly questioned. It was
then that he proffered detailed information on the subject of the meaning
of some of the entries in his diary. Excerpts from his explinations are
quoted in this publication under the respective dates. In the official
record of the interrogatory of August 18, 1947, Cracow, Kramer stated as
fallows: ‘On September 2, 1942 at 3 a.m. I was already assigned to take
part in the action of gassing people. These mass murders took place in
small cottages situated outside the Birkenau camp in a wood. These
cottages were called ‘bunkers’ (_Bunker) in the SS men’s slang. All SS
surgeons, on duty in the camp, took turns to participate in the gassings,
which were called ‘_Sonderaktion_’ (special action – Editor’s note). My
part as surgeon at the gassing consisted in remaining in readiness near
the bunker. I was brought there in a car. I sat in front with the driver
and an SS hospital orderly (SDG) sat in the back of the car with an oxygen
apparatus to revive SS men employed at gassing, in case any of them should
succumb to the poisonous fumes. When the transport with people, who were
destined for gassing, arrived at the railway ramp, the SS officers
selected from among the persons fit to work and the rest – old people, all
children, women with children in arms and other persons not deemed fit to
work – were loaded upon lorries and driven to the gas-chambers. I used to
follow behind the transport till we reached the bunker. These people were
first driven to barracks where the victims undressed and then went nked to
the gas-chambers. Very often no incidents occurred, as the SS men kept
people quiet, maintaining that they were to bathe and be deloused. After
driving all of them into the gas-chamber the door was closed and an SS man
in a gas-mask threw the contents of a Cyclon tin through the opening in
the side wall. SHouting and screaming of the victims could be heard
through that opening and it was clear that they fought for their loves
(_Lebebskampf). These shouts were heard for a very short time. I should
say for some minutes but I am unable to give the exact span of time.”
(Ibid. p.214fn)

This testimony is not believeable. First of all, the Zyklon was supposedly thrown in through the
top of the roof–not through the side wall. Second, compare with this testimony:

On the afternoon of February 15th, 1840, the Capuchin priest Thomas was sent for to
attend a sick child. The priest was a great healer and physician. He was respected and loved
as a saint. On his way back from attending the child, he was invited by his friend, the rich
Jew David Arari, to come to his home. When he arrived, Jews immediately attacked, gagged,
and bound him up. They then dragged him into a secret room, and sent for the Jewish barber
Soliman. The priest was laid on a table and his head was held over a copper bowl. The
barber seized the old priest by the beard. Aaron Arari held his head, and his brother David
Arari slit his throat. The blood was collected and filled into bottles…..Shortly afterwards the
Preist’s servant Ibrahim Amara appeared in the Jewish ghetto. The Jewish Amari brothers, who
were standing in front of the house, said to him: “Come on in, your Master is with us.” Ibrahim
Amara was murdered in the same way as his master Father Thomas.

The next day the priest was missed and a search was made for him. The barber Soliman was
suspect due to papers which were found on him belonging to the priest……..Soliman made a full
confession and was convicted. Traces of blood were found and pieces of the priest and his
servant’s body were found in the sewer. After this all the Jews that took part in the murder
were arrested, and three of them confessed to the crime in detail.”

(Relation historique des affaires de Syrie depuis 1840 jusqu’en 1842.—Achilles Laurent.)

rb

From [email protected] Wed Dec 18 13:43:06 PST 1996
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[email protected] (Harry W. Mazal OBE) writes:
On Sun, 08 Dec 1996 15:47:11 GMT, [email protected] (tom moran) wrote:

Dr. Keren carefully states the name of the book, the author, the
publisher and the page number where the eyewitness report of an
participant in the gassing of Jews can be found:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Testimony of SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Hofmann, about his days at Auschwitz
[Quoted from “Auschwitz: A Report on the Proceedings Against Robert
Karl Ludwig Mulka and Others Before the Court at Frankfurt”, By Bernd
Naumann, 1966, published by Frederick A. Praeger, NY, p. 50-1]
———————————————————————

He then quotes verbatim from this page:

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The Jews were asked to line up. It was my job to preserve calm and
order. The selection was carried out by doctors. The instructions
were issued by the commandants or by Grabner. Sometimes entire
transports were gassed. At times many able-bodied workers were
selected, at other times fewer. The percentage was specified in
advance. It was determined by the need for workers.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

It would seem clear to any but the most gimpy-minded reader that
the description given by Dr. Keren can be verified by anyone with
access to a decent library. Instead, Mr. Moran, whose abilities to
dissimulate are well know by all, chooses to make an inane and
childish remark:

Is this it? Or does the eyewitness have any details and clear
discriptions? None ever do.

He really is a tiresome chap. He has nothing to add to intelligent
discussion. Perhaps if he would read the book and understand
> precisely what happened in that courtroom, he might find that he
> would agree with Dr. Keren. After all, one of the perpetrators of
> this evil crime, SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Hofmann, is confessing to having
> been a participant. Let Mr. Moran explain that away with a juvenile
> one-liner.
>
> Not a chance…
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Harry W. Mazal OBE
>
> Nizkor (USA) An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
> Over 1000 Megs of data: https://nizkor.org
> Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
> Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction – permanently!)
>
>>>>
Yes…I see your point. How about this one……..:

In Berlin the Jews Salomon, Jacob, Aaron, Levi Isaac, Rabbi Mosch and the butcher
Jacob were accused of buying a three or four year old Christian boy for 10 florins from
a stranger, laying him on a table in a cellar and puncturing him with needles in the large
blood rich veins until he was finally slaughtered by the butcher Jacob. An enormous
trial began, and eventually a hundred Jews who were involved in the crime were locked
in the Berlin prison. They partially admitted to having bought Christian children from
strangers, stabbing them, draining their blood, and drinking the blood in case of illness
or preserving it with tomatoes, ginger, and honey. No fewer than 41 of the accused
Jews were sentenced to death by burning after their confession. All the other Jews
were banished from the Mark of Brandenburg. (Richard Mun: “The Jews in Berlin.”

Now, how does it feel to be wearing the other fellow’s moccasins?–rb

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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] (Force) writes:
> # [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>
> ## What was “manufactured by the Soviets”? One example, please.
>
> # The guillotine and the baskets full of heads and the fresh corpses
> # in the movie of course.
>
> What movie? What corpses? Why do you assume the Soviets did it,
> if anything like this ever took place? Methinks you’re
> hallucinating.
>
> ## What about the numerous SS-men who testified in German
> ## courts?
>
> # Perhaps, like Goring, their wives and children had been
> # arrested to send them a message.
>
> “Perhaps”? “Perhaps”??
>
> It doesn’t work that way. If you have any evidence whatsoever
> that anything like that was done, present it.
>
> I repeat: find one single example among all the testimonies
> I post here in which the family of the witness was harassed
> in any way whatsoever. If you can’t, stop lying about it.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Reread my Soviet Def Comedy Jam Posts for many more instances
of obviously fabricated Soviet testimony. I can post additional material
if you wish.–rb

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> [email protected] (Force) writes:
> On Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:13:50 -0800, [email protected] (Rajiv K.
> Gandhi) wrote:

>
> >I don’t believe that the Soviets manufactured testimony and fabricated
> >evidenve. What I do believe is that around 12 million people were
> >systematically and brutally exterminated by the Nazi war machine. The
> >physical evidence at Auschwitz, and at Dachau support that conclusion. The
> >existence of Nazi admissions to their extermination plans support that
> >conclusion. The testimony of eyewitnesses supports that conclusion.
> >Unbiased study by contless historians supports that conclusion.

Here is Gandhi at his best—he says he doesn’t believe that the Soviets manufactured
evidence. Does this mean that you give your imprimatur to the tales I posted in Soviet
Def Comedy Jam? Please advise us all how deep your naivete runs….

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Date: 17 Dec 1996 10:23:04 GMT
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> [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) wrote:
>
> >[email protected] wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >> The
> >>fault lies with the liars. Is this why Christ, according to the Gospels,
> >>said, in John 8: “He was a liar and a murderer from the beginning?”
>
> Mr. Bellinger accepts the unsupported testimony of some witness
> for whom he can produce no primary source? (I warned you to ask
> Mr. Bellinger for his standards of proof, did I not? It would
> appear that any old testimony will do, given the above…)
>
> >Jon is a pretty late Gospel of which there is no original. There is a
> >copy that is pretty old, but how do we know it wasn’t forged. I forgot
> >when John (the author is really not known) put this Gospel together,
> >but it is never clear if Jesus really said this.
>
> Where is John’s body? Where are the forensic reports? How do we
> even know this “John” really existed? Where is Mr. Bellinger’s
> proof of this?
> —
> Nizkor Canada | https://nizkor.org
> ———————–| Remember John Hron
> |————————————–
> https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hron-john/
>
>>>>
You’ll have to ask Doubting Thomas about that one….

From [email protected] Wed Dec 18 15:37:18 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 17 Dec 1996 10:21:41 GMT
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> [email protected] (Richard Schultz) writes:
> Thomas Stedham ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : My question is this: if, before 1990, 6 million jews had been killed in the
> : holocaust, how many were counted as coming from Auschwitz?
>
> Hilberg estimated about 1 million Jews killed at Auschwitz based on his
> examination of the transportation records. Dawidowicz quoted Hoess’s
> estimate that 2.5 million had been killed there, but she obtained her
> final figure of 5.9 million from country-by-country population statistics
> rather than by number killed at particular death camps.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> —–
> Richard Schultz [email protected]
> Department of Chemistry tel: 972-3-531-8065
> Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
> —–
> “I seem to smell a peculiar and a fishlike smell.”
>
>>>>
Instead of examining transportation records, which only prove that people
were transported–examine the forensic evidence for proof of a crime.–rb

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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
>
> >The library at the University where I work has dozens of copies of
> >various editions and translations of both the Jerusalem and the
> >Babylonian Talmud. Quick phone calls to book stores around Atlanta
> >reveal that many, many editions of the Talmud are also available
> >for purchase.
>
> Just to be fair, public libraries (as opposed to university libraries,
> to which not everyone has access) do not commonly have any Talmud, but
> at best a couple volumes of Talmud selections. The Talmud found in
> bookstores is in the process of publication–I’d guess that less than half
> has been published thus far. (The Babylonian Talmud, at least, is a big,
> multivolume thing.) This isn’t anything like the Bible, which has a rather
> well defined canon (well, maybe three or four well defined canons, at
> most) and is available in hundreds of English translations. (The Talmud
> is commentary to the Torah, enriched by commentary to that commentary,
> and commentary to that commentary to that commentary; as I understand,
> there is no final agreement just where “the Talmud” begins and ends.
> Different editions select different commentaries. Any more knowledgeable
> folks out there feel free to correct me on this point, of course.)
>
> It would be nice if a complete Talmud in English were available on the
> Web, but I don’t believe that there is such a thing, possibly not even
> on CD-ROM, and it is a bit unreasonable to expect our Nazi-wannabes to
> learn Hebrew.
>
>>>>
And I suppose you read Hebrew?

From [email protected] Wed Dec 18 16:06:39 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Photograph: Hirt’s Letter Regarding the Gassings in Natzweiler
Date: 17 Dec 1996 10:36:45 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>
> > So I wish he would please explain what he would accept as proof. From
> >his tactics here I cannot think of anything that he would not find some
> >means to reject.
>
> Easy, Mike. Make up a story about American soldiers mistreating,
> even murdering, innocent Germans. For bonus points, make the American
> soldiers Jewish. I’m sure Jane/Joe/rblackmore will find no reason to
> reject it, no matter how silly you make it.
>
>>>>
Miss Flower, watch those crumpets.

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> [email protected] (Arleigh Burke) writes:
> On 14 Dec 1996 04:54:55 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>
No need for all this debate,. The figure of 4 million was given, but Polish
sources strictly broke down the figures of the alleged dead–and the Jews
won by a long shot.

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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

.
>
> “Talmud” means “study.” It is commentary, the majority is presented as
> a debate.
>
> –YFE
>
>
>>>>
Do you claim to be an authority on the Talmud? If so, then I have a few questions for
you.–Should you care to respond to them.–rb

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> [email protected] (Andrew Carol) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, “Rad”
> wrote:
>
> > Go to Israel and stop fucking up Western Civilization or you will end up in
> > the ovens again.
> >
>
> Hail the honest Nazi who admits that there was a time Jews were
> burned in ovens.
>
> This is such a big step, but full of confusion for a good nazi.
>
> How do you threaten Jews without admiting the past?
>
> —
> Andrew Carol “Could be worse. Could be raining.”
> [email protected] [email protected]
>
>>>>
At least she didn’t say you’ll be gassed.–rb

From [email protected] Wed Dec 18 16:06:42 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Richard Schultz) writes:
> william c anderson ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : As far as I can tell, the only people in the whole wide world who
> : believe the tape to be a fake are you, Mr. Belling, and Mr. Giwer.
>
> Don’t forget Tim “landpost” McCarthy.
>
> —–
> Richard Schultz [email protected]
> Department of Chemistry tel: 972-3-531-8065
> Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
> —–
> “I seem to smell a peculiar and a fishlike smell.”
>
>>>>
Have you considered changing your diet?

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> George Cassutto writes:

>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> George Cassutto
> Teacher of Social Studies
> North Hagerstown High School (MD)
> http://www.fred.net/nhhs/nhhs.html
> http://www.fred.net/nhhs/html/cassutto.html
> [email protected]
>
>>>>
Indeed I shall. Thanks for the invitation.

From [email protected] Wed Dec 18 17:16:18 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Mr. Gandhi’s “handle”
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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> : Rahter than go through all that, perhaps Mr. McFee and Mr. Gandhi
> : shall answer the question directly.
>
> What question? Whether they’re Jewish?
>
> How about you answer this one, Mr. Belling: how does it come to be that,
> just a few short months after showing up here posing as an objective
> truth-seeker, you were spotted exchanging antisemitic nursery rhymes with
> Harold Covington of the National Socialist White People’s Party? How
> difficult was it to fake indignation at being called “Nazi-boy,” knowing
> all along that you were indeed a Nazi, in the literal sense of the term?
> And lastly: do you have any shame at all?
>
> Bill
>
>>>>
Indeed I am not a Nazi nor am I anti-Semitic. I do not know Harold Covington,
but the NSWPP began sending me email months ago. I asked them how they
happened to select me for the email, but I never received an answer. The
“nursery rhymes”, as you call them, came from an anti-semitic newspaper. Simply
because I posted it doesn’t mean I am an anti-Semite, any more than if you posted
something from a Nazi would make you one of them.

From [email protected] Thu Dec 19 05:54:17 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: ‘However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed’
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] (Advance) wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 01 Dec 1996 17:29:26 GMT, [email protected] (Mike Curtis)
> >wrote:
> >
> >>[email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >>>Not every Gestapo official was a criminal. They were policemen
> >>>enforcing the laws of the land. By this logic, every police officer
> >>>or magistrate who upheld the “separate but equal” laws in the
> >>>Southern states was also a criminal,
> >>
> >>Sorry, but these laws were not just in the Southern states. Is yourt
> >>grasp of history really this poor?
> >
> > Fairly shitty avoidance there. Regardless of where the laws
> >existed, were they crimnals for enforcing the laws?
> >
>
> Who are you speaking of? The Nazis or the Americans in the North and
> the South? In what context do you make this statement? What specific
> law do you want to address?
>
>
>
>
>>>>
You pick one-I’m open to discussion.-rb

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> [email protected] (Arleigh Burke) writes:
> On 13 Dec 1996 00:38:37 GMT, [email protected] (ibokor) wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >Thomas Stedham wrote:
> >
> > >But, in 1990 or so, the Auschwitz museum in Poland removed the plaque that
> > >said 4 million jews had been killed there. (You know, the plaque the Pope
> >
> >I visited the Auschwitz Museum in October 1987 in what had
> >been Auschwitz I.
> >
> >I did not see the plaque. Perhaps I missed it.
> >Could you tell me where it was?
>
> Right where Deborah Lipshitz said it was in her book. How did you
> miss it?
>
> =====
> If history has taught us anything it is that history will be revised.
> —
> Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts and figures.
>
>>>>
It was a series of slabs all etched in different languages but repeating the
same 4 million figure–there were 19 of them.

From [email protected] Thu Dec 19 05:54:19 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 17 Dec 1996 09:52:41 GMT
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 9 Dec 1996 23:51:42 GMT, “Tbone”

> >But, in 1990 or so, the Auschwitz museum in Poland removed the plaque that
> >said 4 million jews had been killed there. (You know, the plaque the Pope
>
> There never was a plaque that said 4 million jews had been killed
> there. All-in-all it would seem you are full of shit.
>
> >prayed over, commemorating the 4 million jews, etc…) The Auschwitz State
> >Museum (whatever its official name is) has OFFICIALLY LOWERED the Auschwitz
> >death toll to “around 1.5 million”, a reduction of approx. 2.5 million.
>
> No historian ever accepted the 4 million figure. All-in-all it
> would seem you are full of shit.
>

>
>
>>>>
All this nonsense about whether any historians accepted the 4 million
figure of gassed Jews at Auschwitz is irrelevant. The figure was good
enough for The Discovery Channel, World War Two Magazine, countless
editions of the popular publication “Pictorial Encyclopedia of the Jewish
People, scores of major newspapers throughout the world, as well as
pseudo-television documentaries. The common man doesn’t real Hilberg or Reitlinger,
two Jewish holokook historians who disagree on the figures of alleged gassed at
Auschwitz. There were 19 such slabs at Auschwitz at the time of the Pope’s visit. All
of these slabs have been etched out since the Auschwitz Museum finally readjusted
their figures, which were accepted overwhelmingly by historians in Eastern Europe.
The fact that Jews were not specifically mentioned on the plaques is also irrelevant, as
an examination of the figures of other dead at Auschwitz were minimal. The only victims
left were Jews.–rb

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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> Speech by Frank [Governor of occupied Poland], December 16 1941
> [Documents on the Holocaust – Edited by Y. Arad, Y. Gutman, A. Margaliot,
> NY, Ktav Pub. House in Association with Yad-Vashem, 1981, p. 247, Nazi
> Conspiracy and Aggression – Washington, U.S Govt. Print.
> Off., 1946 Vol. II p. 634]
> —————————————————————
> One way or another — I will tell you quite openly — we must finish
> off the Jews. The Fuehrer put it into words once: should united Jewry
> again succeed in setting off a world war, then the blood sacrifice
> shall not be made only by the peoples driven into war, but then the
> Jew of Europe will have met his end….
>
> But what should be done with the Jews? Can you believe that they will
> be accommodated in settlements in the Ostland? In Berlin we were told:
> why are you making all this trouble? We don’t want them either, not in
> Ostland nor in the Reichskommissariat; liquidate them yourselves!
> Gentlemen, I must ask you to steel yourselves against all
> considerations of compassion. We must destroy the Jews wherever we
> find them, and wherever it is at all possible, in order to maintain
> the whole structure of the Reich…
>
>
>
>
> -Danny Keren.

Now note this:

8). “Kill the Germans, wherever you find them! Every German
is our moral enemy. Have no mercy on women, children, or the
aged! Kill every German wipe them out!” (Llya Ehrenburg, Jewish-Soviet
Propagandist , Glaser, p. 111).
> rb
>>>>

From [email protected] Thu Dec 19 05:54:21 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 17 Dec 1996 10:55:56 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Arleigh Burke) writes:
> >> On 13 Dec 1996 00:38:37 GMT, [email protected] (ibokor) wrote:
>
> >> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >> >Thomas Stedham wrote:
>
> >> > >But, in 1990 or so, the Auschwitz museum in Poland removed the plaque that
> >> > >said 4 million jews had been killed there. (You know, the plaque the Pope
>
> >> >I visited the Auschwitz Museum in October 1987 in what had
> >> >been Auschwitz I.
>
> >> >I did not see the plaque. Perhaps I missed it.
> >> >Could you tell me where it was?
>
> >> Right where Deborah Lipshitz said it was in her book. How did you
> >> miss it?
>
> >It was a series of slabs all etched in different languages but repeating the
> >same 4 million figure–there were 19 of them.
>
> Still having problems with your reading comprehension, Mr.
> Bellinger?
>
> Not one of those slabs said 4 million ‘Jews,’ did it? And you
> still haven’t owned up to that little deception, have you?

The “little deception” as you call it, rests with the Auschwitz Museum,
and with you, who seeks to exonerate their mendacity.–rb

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 17 Dec 1996 09:54:48 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> “Thomas Stedham” writes:
>
> >> My questions are simple: a) was/is there a plaque at Auschwitz? b) has it
> >> been changed to reflect a lower bodycount? c) if so, why?
>
> >There were 19 such slabs at Auschwitz all repeating the same lies
> >in different languages. Each and every slab has now been etched
> >out.–rb
>
> And not one of them said ‘Jews.’
>
> Amazing!
>
>
>>>>
It didn’t have to say “Jews”. That was clearly implicit. Stop playing dumb and dumber.-rb

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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 17 Dec 1996 10:26:54 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> >Chuck’s beliefs based upon faith.–rb
>
> As opposed to your beliefs based on being a lowlife scumbag, nazi
> apologist? Your beliefs based on your bigotry?
>
>
>>>>
And what are your beliefs based upon—irrationality and a sick
propensity to call people names. Some credentials you have!–rb

From [email protected] Thu Dec 19 08:10:13 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Prof. Pfannenstiel Testifies About Belzec Death Camp
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[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
Professor Wilhelm Pfannenstiel, Waffen-SS hygienist, on a gassing
at Belzec
[Quoted in ‘The Good Old Days’ – E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 238-244]
———————————————————————-
When I am asked about executions of Jews I must confirm that on 19 August
1942 I witnessed an execution of Jews at Belzec extermination camp. I
would like to describe how I came to be there. During my conversations
with SS-Brigadefuehrer Globocnik, he told me about the large
spinning-mills that he had set up in Belzec. He also mentioned that
work at this camp would considerably outstrip German production. When
I asked him where the spinning materials came from, he told me proudly
that they had come from the Jews. At this point he also mentioned the
extermination actions against the Jews, who for the most part were
killed at the the camp at Belzec…

During this first visit I was taken to around by a certain
Polizieihauptmann named Wirth, who also showed and explained to me the
extermination installations at the camp. He told me that the following
morning a new transport of about 500 Jews would be arriving at the
camp who would be channeled through these extermination chambers. He
asked me whether I would like to watch one of these extermination
actions, to which, after a great deal of reflection, I consented. I
planned to submit a report to the Reichsarzt-SS about the
extermination actions. In order to write a report I had, however,
first to observe an action with my own eyes. I remained in the camp,
spent the night there and was witness to the following events the next
morning.

A goods train traveled directly into the camp of Belzec, the freight
cars were opened and Jews whom I believe were from the area of Romania
or Hungary were unloaded. The cars were crammed fairly full. There
were men, women and children of every age. They were ordered to get
into line and then had to proceed to an assembly area and take off
their shoes…

After the Jews had removed their shoes they were separated by sex. The
women went together with the children into a hut. There their hair was
shorn and they had to get undressed… The men went into another hut,
where they received the same treatment. I saw what happened in the
women’s hut with my own eyes. After they had undressed, the whole
> procedure went fairly quickly. They ran naked from the hut through a
> hedge into the actual extermination centre. The whole extermination
> centre looked just like a normal delousing institution. In front of
> the building there were pots of geraniums and a sign saying “Hackenholt
> Foundation”, above which there was a star of David. The building was
> brightly and pleasantly painted so as not to suggest people would be
> killed here…
>
> Inside the buildings, the Jews had to enter chambers into which was
> channeled the exhaust of a [100(?)]-HP engine, located in the same
> building. In it there were six such extermination chambers. They were
> windowless, had electric lights and two doors. One door led outside so
> that the bodies could be removed. People were led from a corridor
> into the chambers through an ordinary air-tight door with bolts. There
> was a glass peep-hole, as I recall, next to the door in the wall.
> Through this window one could watch what was happening inside the room
> but only when it was not too full of people. After a short time the
> glass became steamed up. When the people had been locked in the room
> the motor was switched on and then I suppose the stop-valves or vents
> to the chambers opened. Whether they were stop-valves or vents I
> would not like to say. It is possible that the pipe led led directly
> to the chambers. Once the engine was running, the light in the
> chambers was switched off. This was followed by palpable disquiet in
> the chamber. In my view it was only then that the people sensed
> something else was in store for them. It seemed to me that behind the
> thick walls and door they were praying and shouting for help.
>
>>>>
According to the testimony of the Jewess Ben Noud, who converted to
Christianity, an old Gentile man in Tripoli was tied up by 4 or 5 jews and hanged from an orange
tree by his toes. At the moment when the old man was close to death the Jews
cut his throat with a butcher knife and let the body hang until all the blood
had been collected into a bowl. (Henri Desportes, Le myst. du sang 91)

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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Kurt
> Stele) wrote:

>
> > Jackson presents it as a serious claim, and then goes into great
> > detail about the claim.
>
> Given the innumerable whoppers that can be laid at feet of the rabidly
> anti-Semitic Nazi Mr. Smith, one can hardly give his rants any credence.

> ——————————————————————————–
>
>>>>
Given the record of Mark Van Alstine, one should accept Mr. Stele’s
quotes without any reservations whatsoever. -rb

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[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
In the alt.revisionism article with Message-Id
<[email protected]>, the lying Nazi-apologist
“rblackmore” claimed that the commandant of Plaszwo camp,
Amon Goeth, was “executed by the SS” because he “abused
the prisoners under his command”. Goeth, however, was
tried and executed by the Poles, after the war.

Now, why did the pathetic fool “rblackmore” invent this
lie? Simple: he wanted to convince people that the Nazis
really cared for the inmates in the camps, and that they
even punished camp commandants who murdered Jews. So, what
does he do? He invents this lie – that the SS executed
Goeth – and posts it, hoping that no one who reads this
newsgroup knows the truth.

It’s so pathetic. So idiotic. So childish.

And, something which is somewhat related. “rblackmore”
has posted an article trolling for teenage boys, on
alt.acadia. He later claimed it was really posted by
someone else, using his account. He offered no proof
of this; moreover, there was nothing like “I’m really
so-and-so, and I’m only using this account for posting”
in the article. Usually, when X uses Y’s account, he/she
will take care to post their real identity and to state
that they are using Y’s account as guests.

I don’t owe a fool like you any explanations for what goes on
in my home. What has any of this to do with Irma grese?

All evidence points to the fact that “rblackmore” posted
this article. All we have against it is his word. But
he has lied so many times on alt.revisionism – the Goeth
fiasco is but one example among many – that the question
has to be asked: why should we believe him?

rblackmore responds:

What has any of this to do with Irma Grese?
Why should anyone believe you–a crypto-necrophiliac.
Do you deny it? All those naked bodies you enjoy looking
posting on alt revisionism….rb

I consider “rblackmore” to be a rather revolting person.

And I, you, but what has any of this to do with Irma Grese?

> His articles on alt.revisionism are bad enough. Unfortunately,
> whatever he tries to “accomplish” by hounding teenagers
> is probably much worse.

What has any of this to do with Irma Grese?
You are a sad little impotent man. Your impotence is starkly revealed
whenever you resort to the lowlife tactics of name calling and personal slander.
Unfortunately for you, it is not helping your lost cause. You are losing the fight and all the
dirt slinging in the world will not save your abysmal Holobunk stories.
You were already castigated by Mike Stein for misrepresenting this
whole thread, yet you shamefully continue to do so. The fact is, Goeth
had come under charges by the SS, and would undoubtedly have been
executed had not the end of the war precluded the event. In any case,
he was re-arrested and tried by the Poles, where he was sentenced to
death and executed. Unlike Irma Grese, Goeth deserved strict punishment
for his offenses. Now, why do you bring this up when you are supposed to
be replying to a thread on Irma Grese?-rb

From [email protected] Fri Dec 20 07:02:59 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Good Old Days-Pogrom at Kaunas
Date: 17 Dec 1996 11:07:36 GMT
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 16 Dec 1996 13:16:06 GMT, [email protected] (Tutu101) wrote:
>
>
> >Dammit Dr. Keren. You beat me!
>
> He is always beating you, Mr. Bellinger.
>
>>>>
With a cellophane whip?

From [email protected] Fri Dec 20 10:48:22 PST 1996
Article: 87024 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 17 Dec 1996 10:30:10 GMT
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> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Thomas Stedham wrote:
>
> >But, in 1990 or so, the Auschwitz museum in Poland removed the plaque that
> >said 4 million jews had been killed there. (You know, the plaque the Pope
>
> I visited the Auschwitz Museum in October 1987 in what had
> been Auschwitz I.
>
> I did not see the plaque. Perhaps I missed it.
> Could you tell me where it was?
>
>
> d.A.
>
>
>
>>>>
Look them up in photographs from the period. there were 19 of them.–rb

From [email protected] Fri Dec 20 22:01:21 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Irma Grese.
>
> Your new secret identity, Jane/Joe?
>
>>>>
Keep those knickers up, Miss Flower.

From [email protected] Fri Dec 20 22:01:22 PST 1996
Article: 87113 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Fuhrer’s Gaze (Thank You, ourhero!)
Date: 17 Dec 1996 10:34:51 GMT
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> [email protected] (Lester John Ness) writes:
> Look at how much better off Germany was in 1945 than in 1935! All
> thanks to Hitler!
>
> Note to the dense : the above message is irony.
>
> —
> Lester Ness [email protected]
>
>>>>
I wouldn’t thank Hitler for that one. Rather, I’d thank Roosevelt.

From [email protected] Fri Dec 20 23:02:30 PST 1996
Article: 87120 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: SS-Untersturmfuehrer Oberhauser Testifies About Belzec Death Camp
Date: 17 Dec 1996 11:44:51 GMT
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[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
SS-Untersturmfuehrer Oberhauser on the death camp at Belzec
[Quoted in ‘The Good Old Days’ – E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 228-230]
—————————————————————-
The camp of Belzec was situated north-east of the Tomaszo’w to Lemberg
[Lvov] road beyond the village of Belzec. As the camp needed a siding
for the arriving transports the camp was built about 400 meters from
Belzec station. The camp itself was divided into two sections: section
1 and section 2. The siding led directly from Belzec station into
section 2 of the camp, in which the undressing barracks as well as the
gas installations and the burial field were situated…

The gassing of Jews which took place in Belzec camp up till 1 August
1942 can be divided into two phases. During the first series of
experiments there were two to three transports consisting of four to
six freight cars each holding twenty to forty persons. On the average
150 Jews were delivered and killed per transport. At that stage the
gassings were not yet part of a systematic eradication action but were
carried out to test and study closely the camp’s capacity and the
technical problems involved in carrying out a gassing…

At the beginning of May 1942 SS-Oberfuehrer Brack from the Fuehrer’s
chancellery suddenly came to Lublin. With Globocnik he discussed
resuming the extermination of the Jews. Globocnik said he had too few
> people to carry out this programme. Brack stated that the euthanasia
> programme had stopped and that the people from T4 would from now on be
> detailed to him on a regular basis so that the decisions taken at the
> Wannsee conference could be implemented. As it appeared that it would
> not be possible for the Einsatzgruppen to clear individual areas of
> Jews and the people in the large ghettos of Warsaw and Lemberg by
> shooting them, the decision had been taken to set up two further
> extermination camps which would be ready by 1 August 1942, namely
> Treblinka and Sobibor. The large-scale extermination programme
> [Vernichtungsaktion] was due to start on 1 August 1942.
>
> About a week after Brack had come to Globocnik, Wirth and his staff
> returned to Belzec. The second series of experiments went on until
> 1 August 1942. During this period a total of five to six transports
> (as far as I am aware) consisting of five to seven freight cars
> containing thirty to forty people came to Belzec. The Jews from two
> of these transports were gassed in the small chamber, but then Wirth
> had the gas huts pulled down and built a massive new building with a
> much larger capacity. It was here that the Jews from the rest of the
> transport were gassed.
>
> During the first experiments and the first set of transports in the
> second series of experiments bottled gas was still used for gassing;
> however, for the last transports of the second series of experiments
> the Jews were killed with the exhaust gases from a tank or lorry
> engine which was operated by Hackenholt.
>
>>>>
1747—

The discovery of the body of a Christian during the spring thaw in a
nearby village was the base of a ritual murder trial in the town of Zaslav
in Volhynia. A peasant informed the authorities that the Jews of Zaslav
had been praying and feasting the whole night. The Bernardine monks
decided thar they were celebrating the murder. The community elders
were charged and, (allegedly) under torture, one confessed. The leaders
were then executed…..An uninterrupted string of ritual murder charges followed
the Zaslav case; for the next 15 years they were an annual occurance.”

(Anit-Semitisim-Causes and Effects) Philosophical Library, 1983.–rb

From [email protected] Sat Dec 21 11:19:17 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Heinrich Lohse Was Dead and Living in Germany?
Date: 17 Dec 1996 12:24:28 GMT
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> [email protected] (Richard Schultz) writes:
> Gord McFee ([email protected]) wrote:
> : :>[email protected] (Tutu101) writes:
>
> : :># Lohse, by the way, was murdered by an assassin in
> : :># 1943 in Russia.
>
> : As usual, the Tooter is wrong. Lohse was released from prison in 1951 due to
> : health reasons and died in 1964.
>
> I know I’ll get in trouble with the ZOG for revealing this, but Toodles
> *was* right. In 1943, Lohse was murdered and *replaced by an exact
> duplicate*. It was this duplicate, created in the secret underground
> UFO cloning laboratories, who was imprisoned after the war, and who
> in 1951 was released from prison for “health reasons” (i.e. the original
> procedure was failing) and replaced by a *second* exact duplicate.
> When this duplicate failed in 1964, the experiment was terminated.
>
> —–
> Richard Schultz [email protected]
> Department of Chemistry tel: 972-3-531-8065
> Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
> —–
> “How many boards would the Mongols hoard if the Mongol hordes got bored?”
>
>>>>
Silly man.

From [email protected] Sat Dec 21 11:19:18 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Do The Nazis Have Pictures/Movies Of An Actual Shower Full Of People Getting Gased?
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> Jeff writes:
> I’d like to know.
>
> “Pro-Holocaust” people have “TONS” of evidence linking the death of millions
> to death camps, but no movies?
>
> How about pictures of what a shower looked like after a gassing?
>
>
>>>>
Winds of war? The pseduo-docudrama “The Holocaust”…? Outside of
fiction, you will find none.

From [email protected] Sat Dec 21 11:19:18 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
>

>
> Let me repeat that you would do better to take
> what I write at face value.
>
>
>
> d.A.
>
>>>>
Enough of your nonsense. Let’s move on to the issues of
revisionism.

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[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
Four Polish witnesses, three of them doctors, and two SS men, testify
about murder with phenol injections in Auschwitz. Among the murdered
were 120 children from the village of Zamosc.

All the following testimonies are excerpted from “Auschwitz: the
Proceedings Against Mulka and Others” by Bernd Nauman. The SS men
who usually did the killing were Hantl, Scherpe, and Klehr (who also
participated in the gassing operations).

Testimony of Professor Fejkiel from Cracow (Poland) who was arrested by
the Nazis and imprisoned in Auschwitz between October 1940 and January
1945 (p. 153-4):
———————————————————————-
The witness reports that the experiments to kill prisoners with
injections were begun in 1942.

“First they tried benzine, but that turned out to be impractical. I
know of a case where death did not occur for forty-five minutes. They
looked for a quicker method. The second medium was hydrogen; then came
phenolic acid”.

First it was administered intravenously, then directly into the heart:
“I assume that the intravenous method took too long”.

snip

The court at Frankfurt sentenced Klehr to life in prison, Scherpe to
4 years and 6 months, Hantl to 3 years and 6 months. Since Hantl had
served his sentence in confinement awaiting trial, he left the court a
free man.

-Danny Keren.

>>>>
On April 22, 1823, on Easter Sunday, 21/2 year old Feodor Jemeljanov
of Welisch, (Russia), disappeared without a trace. His body was found
one week later. The whole body was covered in abrasions, as if it had
been rubbed with a rough object. The finger-nails were cut off, and the
tiny body was covered with small puncture wounds. Circumcision had
been performed. A doctor testified that the child had been deliberately
tortured to death. After years of investigation, the crime was solved. A
large number of Jews were arrested. Three Russian women converted
to Judaism made a full confession, in which they named their accomplices
and the brutal manner in which they carried out the murder. The result of
the trial was a surprise to many: the three Russian converts to judaism were
convicted of the crime, while the perpetrators of the deed, according to the
women, were released.

From [email protected] Sat Dec 21 11:19:20 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Blackmore–the *real* Blackmore
Date: 21 Dec 1996 08:13:54 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message
> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi)Wed, 18 Dec 1996 14:00:06 -0800
> writes:
> :>
> :>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> :>(Tutu101) wrote:
> :>
> :>> Your typical exaggerating again. I notice you omitted my email reply to
> :>> you on this matter. How convenient. Think what you like. You are wrong
> :>> as usual. You remind me of the wolf in Aesop’s fable of the wolf and the
> :>> lamb,
> :>
> :>Are you admitting (again) that you are in fact the Troll-Joseph Bellinger ?
> :>
> :>[posted/emailed]
>
> He must be, because the e-mail sent to me, to which he is alluding, was sent
> by rblackmore!
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Was that a deliberate mistake?

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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request
Date: 19 Dec 1996 20:02:07 GMT
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> In <[email protected]>, Irma Grese
> <"[email protected]"@phoenix.net> wrote:
>
> >And now- drum roll please maestro by special request the one and only
> > Irma Grese.
> >
> >Is this not one beautiful woman, the very essence of Teutonic beauty.
>
> She looks like a guy in drag to me.
>
> But if you say she’s beautiful, I can’t complain. To each his or her
> own.
>
> —
> John Morris
> at University of Alberta
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
What she was, was a 21 year old girl who was murdered on the basis of
false testimony, none of the claims being estabished by evidence—not even
so much as one name. And yes, I think she was attractive as well.

rb

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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Mr. Blackmore’s antisemitic doggerel
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> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:

Actions speak louder than words, as
> they say. The same applies to your attempt to deny that you had any
> antisemitic sentiment when quoting that rhyme. In that context, your
> denial is rather hard to swallow.

You had just got done making some disparaging comments about a group
of people and what terrible things they had done to you. (And you are
paranoid – the “no permission to talk” message can happen due to ordinary
technical problems not caused by any malicious attack.) You then said
these terrible people might be celebrating Hanukkah, after which you
quoted the antisemitic doggerel.

Mike Stein

No, I had no anti-Semitic element when posting the rhyme. What I related was
a series of spaming attacks from a mysterious party or parties. I have since read
somewhere that there exists a number of such spams emanating from Vancouver..
where false headers are inserted…….coincidental?

Indeed what was done to me by whatever group of people was terrible and
reprehensible. The “no permission to talk” may or may not signify what you
say it means. I am not paranoid. I never referred to anyone celebrating Hannukah
as “terrible”. You are getting sloppy, Michael.–rb

From [email protected] Sat Dec 21 11:19:22 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 21 Dec 1996 09:44:08 GMT
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> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> : > “Thomas Stedham” writes:
> :
> : .
> : >
> : > My questions are simple: a) was/is there a plaque at Auschwitz? b) has it
> : > been changed to reflect a lower bodycount? c) if so, why?
> : >
> : >
> : >>>>
> : There were 19 such slabs at Auschwitz all repeating the same lies
> : in different languages. Each and every slab has now been etched
> : out.–rb
>
>
> You have repeated this assertion several times now.
> On my visit to Auschwitz in 1987 I did not see any
> of these 19 plaques. I could have missed them.
> Where were they placed?
>
>
> d.A.
>
>>>>
I have only seen them in photos reproduced in newspapers and books.
There were indeed 19 of them and they were all inscribed in different
languages of the world. All the better to brainwash you, my dear!

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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> : That has already been addressed, though not to your liking, I am
> : sure. Now, do you claim to read hebrew or not? Perhaps you can answer
> : a question in a straight forward manner for once in your life. Just once.
> : try it.–rb
>
>
> I don’t read Hebrew, and never claimed I did.
>
> Gee, this answering questions in a “straight forward” manner is fun!
> Your turn, Mr. Belling–why did you send the following message to
> Harold Covington of the National Socialist White People’s Party?
>

Why do you ask after you have already been given an answer?–rb

From [email protected] Sat Dec 21 11:19:23 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> >> In article <[email protected]>,
> >> Thomas Stedham wrote:
> >>
> >> >But, in 1990 or so, the Auschwitz museum in Poland removed the plaque that
> >> >said 4 million jews had been killed there. (You know, the plaque the Pope
> >>
> >> I visited the Auschwitz Museum in October 1987 in what had
> >> been Auschwitz I.
> >>
> >> I did not see the plaque. Perhaps I missed it.
> >> Could you tell me where it was?
> >>
> >> d.A.
> >>
> >Look them up in photographs from the period. there were 19 of them.–rb
>
> Amazing. You’ve already admitted this is not true, and now you’re
> repeating the untruth. Liar.
>
>>>>
Miss Flower, DO try and keep track of the threads. Don’t you have crumpets
to bake or a tuffet to sit upon?

From [email protected] Sat Dec 21 11:19:24 PST 1996
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[email protected] (ibokor) writes:

In any event, those who had ample opportunity to hear
Himmler did not cast doubt upon the authenticity, even
though it was in their interest to do so.

Sorry to disappoint you, but his colleagues DID cast doubt on the
authenticity of this recording. Among them Oswald Pohl, Gottlob
Berger, and Sepp Dietrich.

I grant Himmler’s colleagues iand subordinates more credibility
on this matter than I grant you.

Good. Now that you have their opinions, I take it you and I are in
agreement?–rb

In any event, If you, as your last posting implies, firmly believe
the recording to be a forgery, why not take up the challenge to
have it tested? If you firm belief is then substantiated, you
have lost nothing, but gained a lot.

No, as I have often stated, the words are really not of particular
significance, IMO. They are no more hateful or inciting than the
words of Ilya Ehrenburg and Morgenthau and kaufmann.

I merely comment that the remarks are really insignificant
and do not lend support to your claims that Jews were being gassed.

The claim is not mine. Its authorship is shared by a number of
people, including Hoss and Eichmann, whose authority on the matter
is well-documented. The claim cannot possibly be of my authorship,
since it was circulating long before I was even born.

Yes, well Hoess and Eichmann are rather poor witnesses. I do not place
much stock in anything either of them had to say.–rb

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From: [email protected]
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[email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
[email protected] (Tutu101) writes:

To M. Stein: You are, of course, correct when you write that these events
occurred in 1937. However, Koch was charged and executed in the forties,
as well as another commandaer, I believe. Hoess was under investigation
by SS authorities as well, and a deposition was taken by one Eleanor
Hodyss, a mistress of the ex-commandant. This deposition was to be used
as evidence against him by the SS judicial authorities. The investigation
had the full backing of Himmler. Grabner was also arrested by the SS and
charged with crimes, as was Goeth. However, due to the late period in
time when their crimes came to light, they were later re-arrested and
executed by the Poles. I am confident that I shall uncover many more such
cases as I continue to do research.

Joe, there’s a curious lacuna in all the above: “under investigation” for
WHAT? “arrested by the SS” for WHAT? WHAT crimes were involved? You have
been arguing that SS men were punished for cruelty toward Jews, but you
have presented evidence only that the SS occasionally arrested, charged,
or investigated its members for “crimes” which you consistently refuse to
specify (except, as I recall, at the beginning of your discussion of SS
arrests, when you demonstrably lied).

No, I never lied. I never lie. It would be playing into your hands.
It was misinformation, and no fault of my own. Check with Mike Stein about it.

In spite of your unprovoked insults, I will answer your question:

You ask what crimes were being investigated. In the past, I have posted
a number of cases where SS men were investigated and punished for
mistreatment of prisoners. I have also posted proof of Himmler authorizing
the State Prosecutor of Bavaria to investigate alleged crimes and murders
conducted by guards at dachau, and giving his consent that any proven
cases of murder andmistreatment should be punished to the fullest extent of
the law. I have shown where Koch was tried and executed by the SS authorities
in full view of the inmates and personnel at Buchenwald for crimes committed
while he was commandant. Among those crimes was murder. I have also
posted the fact that SS Judicial authorities received the permission of Himmler
to begin investigating other crimes and corruption in the German camps. himmler
authorized the investigation of Rudolf Hoess, who was scheduled to be arrested
by SS authorities. Others arrested were Amon Goeth and Maximillian Grabner.

The fact is, it takes time to investigate crimes which by their very nature, were
difficult to investigate in closed camps like Auschwitz and the rest. Auschwitz was
particularly difficult to investigate, as they were usually in quarantine due to the
epidemics there. Consequently it was difficult to gain access to this camp. In
the book “Anus Mundi” the Polish author writes how anything compromising would
be hidden by Hoess and his close staff whenever Himmler was due to arrive for
inspections. This is confirmed by others as well. The witness Eleanor Hodyss,
Hoess’s mistress at Auschwitz, was interrogated by SS investigators in Munich,
who were seeking an arrest warrant on Hoess for charges of murder, among other
crimes. Thus, your question is answered. there is still much more research needed
in this area, and hopefully I or someone else will provide more details in the future.–rb

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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> > [email protected] (Tutu101) writes:
>
> > >To M. Stein: You are, of course, correct when you write that these events
> > >occurred in 1937. However, Koch was charged and executed in the forties,
> > >as well as another commandaer, I believe. Hoess was under investigation
> > >by SS authorities as well, and a deposition was taken by one Eleanor
> > >Hodyss, a mistress of the ex-commandant. This deposition was to be used
> > >as evidence against him by the SS judicial authorities. The investigation
> > >had the full backing of Himmler. Grabner was also arrested by the SS and
> > >charged with crimes, as was Goeth. However, due to the late period in
> > >time when their crimes came to light, they were later re-arrested and
> > >executed by the Poles. I am confident that I shall uncover many more such
> > >cases as I continue to do research.
>
> > Joe, there’s a curious lacuna in all the above: “under investigation” for
> > WHAT? “arrested by the SS” for WHAT? WHAT crimes were involved? You
> have
> > been arguing that SS men were punished for cruelty toward Jews, but you
> > have presented evidence only that the SS occasionally arrested, charged,
> > or investigated its members for “crimes” which you consistently refuse to
> > specify (except, as I recall, at the beginning of your discussion of SS
> > arrests, when you demonstrably lied).
>
> The lacuna is neither curious nor inexplicable. As has been posted here
> several times the Morgen investigations were for embezzlement. In Koch’s case he
> was convicted as well of murdering two non-Jewish inmates who could provide
> evidence against him. The murders took place after the investigation began. The
> details of these cases can be found, among other places, in “Soldiers of Evil” by
> Tom Segev. That work is significant to this discussion becasue “blackmore”
> claims that he owns and has read it.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Yes, I do own it and I have read it. Would you like me to quote to you from
a particular page in the pb edition to prove it to you? However, I need to
say that this book, while interesting, is far from an authoritative and final
authority on the subject. Much research needs to be done here.–rb

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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:

>
> What was that again about SS concerns over the proper treatment of
> prisoners? Not even Morgan, the SS officer who had Koch (and many others)
> arrested in regard to his _corruption_ investigations, could have been
> very concerned about “proper treatment” of prisoners if he had four
> prisoners killed in his zeal to root out SS _corruption_ in the
> concentration camps!
>
> [snip]
>
> Mark

We can always rely upon Mark for posting all the old wives tales, which have
not even an iota of truth in them. Of course mark, now having opened this can
of worms, is expected to provide proof that Morgen was charged, convicted, and
sentenced for these alleged murders. Where is it Mark? Get that foot out of your
mouth and prepare to stick the other one in….rb

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[email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
[email protected] wrote:

: Mr. Anderson–it is hardly fair to snip one remark out of context when I have
: written pages of opinion on this very question. My explanation is still valid and
: I fail to see your point.

My point, Mr. Belling, is that BEFORE you were challenged to “put up
or shut up,” you stated that the Himmler tape (if valid) was an
important piece of evidence. AFTER your were challenged to “put
up or shut up,” you fell back on the notion that it wasn’t so
important after all–that Herr Himmler was just having a bit of fun.

No, Mr. Anderson-I never regarded this speech as particularly significant.
My contention is that an attempt is being made to read more into it than
is actually suggested. Himmler’s words, if accurate, are no more inciting
than those of Ilya Ehrenburg or Henry Morgenthau.

And please do not refer to me as an “associate” of Harold
Covington–I do not know the man.

You exchange private, sneering, antisemitic email with him though,
don’t you?

I answered a question Mr. Covington sent to scores of people.
It was not private email. Sorry to disappoint you.

>

Merry Christmas, Mr. Belling,

Bill

>>>>
As usual, you make mountains out of molehills. Merry Christmas, Bill.
Peace on Earth and Good Will to all Men,,,and women. And Happy
Hannukah to all my Jewish acquaintances on alt revisionism. “Hannukah,
Hannukah, 13 days of celebration…..” I wonder if Mr. Covington will now
begin to refer to me as a Jewish plant?

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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[email protected] (ibokor) writes:

But “rblackmore”s the precise answer:

Look them up in photographs from the period. there were 19 of them.–rb

> Gord McFee tries to inject a note of sanity and reason:

There can be no sanity and reason from the insane and irrational, as applies
to Mr. McFee and Nizkooks in general.

No dummy, d.A was *there*. You were not. He asks you where the plaque was,
since you claimed to know what it says. Since you lied about that, why
> shouldn’t we expect that you are lying about the plaque too?

How can I “lie” about placques which have been photographed by news
and press agencies for posterity? Silly person.

d.A. continues:
>
> In Room 1 of Block 4 there was an urn. “The urn with a handful of ashes,
> collected in the Birkenau terrain, commemorates ‘4 million of those’
> who had perishhed there.”

Yes, and these alleged four million were what–Eskimoes? Are you so
dense?

p. 19 of “Auschwitz 1940-1945 Guide-Book through the Museum”
Krajowa Agencja Wydawnicza, 1981
ISBN 83-03-01330-0.

The same page contains:

“4 millin persons perished in the ‘Konzentrationslager
Auschwitz-Birkenau’, 4 million persons from all the countries
under Nazi occupation.”

[The reader who is at least semi-literate will have observed
that the word “Jew” is missing from this text.]

So? What is your contention, then, that 1.5 million Jews were killed at
Auschwitz and 2.5 million Gentiles? Is that what you are now asking us
to swallow? Lotsa luck…-rb

> In fact the reader of this guide-book who is looking for a single
> location where there is mention of 4 million Jewish victims
> will be sorely disappointed.

Disappointed?–rb
>
> In fact, the abiding impression is that the Jewish victims are
> down-played in this guide-book, as in the Museum at the time
> of my visit.

Perhaps those jewish “victims” were a figment of someones vivid imagination.–rb

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:

>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
You know, Gordon, you are starting to finally lose it so much that you are
sounding more and more like Raj Gandhi every day….perhaps you are….
At any rate, I never lied. I didn’t have the source in front of me and I
corrected the info later. however, it is clear that the alleged jewish victims
of Auschwitz were simply counted as Polish Nationals by the Communist
Regime. If this figure did not refer to 4 million jews, then supply us with the
evidence which proves how many people of different nationalities were sent
to Auschwitz and never returned. I won’t advise anyone to hold their
breath…….BTW, you must love that ditty, you keep quoting it.

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[email protected] (ibokor) writes:
[email protected] wrote:

The “little deception” as you call it, rests with the Auschwitz Museum,
and with you, who seeks to exonerate their mendacity.–rb

I have in front of me a pamphlet entitled:
“Auschwitz –
A Crime against Mankind
Auschwitz Exhibition 1986-1987”
Copyright of the Auschwitz State Museuem, Oswiecim, 1986
in which it states (the pages bear no numbers)

“The most grandiose center [sic] of Nazi genocide
was the death cam in Oswiecim-Brzezinka (Konzentrationalger
Auschwitz-Birkenau) in which some four million people brought
there from all over Europe lost their lives.”

….

“According to the bill of the Polish Seym
(Parliament), the Auschwitz-Birkenau Museum
is the Monument to the Martyrdom of Poles and
> Other Nations,….”
>
>
> The latter part of the pamphlet contains a number of
> photgraphs, one of which is of a plaque which is part
> of the International Monument in Auschwitz II Birkenau.
>
> It reads:
>
> “FOUR MILLION
> PEOPLE SUFFERED
> AND DIED HERE
> AT THE HANDS
> OF THE NAZI
> MURDERERS
> BETWEEN THE YEARS
> 1940 AND 1945”
>
> There is a photograph below this one
> of a plaque in Hebrew which is part
> of the same monument.
> Since I cannot read or understand
> Hebrew I cannot translate it
>
> The pamphlet also features a photograph
> of John PAul II in front of this
> monument on 7th June, 1979.
>
>
> Now, where are those plaques claiming
> that there were 4,000,000 Jewish
> victims in Auschwitz?

I already clarified this in a previous post. I did not have the
article in front of me when I posted. There were indeed 19
such inscribed slabs and none of them specifically mentioned
Jews, but it is quite implicit. Otherwise, how did publications like
Pictorial history of the Jewish People come up with this quote?
I have no problem with your quotes, but tell me—-
Who do you think the four million refer to? Will you supply us
with lists of the deported from other countries of Europe who
were NOT Jewish, and who were sent to Auschwitz?

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> Doc Tavish <"[email protected]"@phoenix.net> writes:
> william c anderson wrote:
> >
> > to [email protected]
> >
> Like the lying nazi you are, you’re trying to change the
> > terms of the debate before it jumps back and bites you. Here, watch
> > this:
> >
> > Nazi-boy: Historians have reduced the number of Jews killed at
> > Auschwitz without reducing the total number of dead
> > Jews!
> >
> > Normal Person: But historians never accepted the figure of four
> > million Jews killed at Auschwitz, and it wasn’t
> > used in figuring the final total.
> >
> > Nazi-boy: But it was on the History Channel!
> >
> > See how ludicrous that is? Say hi to Winston for us, nazi-boy.

You can say hi to Winston yourself. I am not your errand boy. A few
months ago I was accused of being Zundels agent. Who will it be next?–rb

> Bill have you spent your “thirty pieces of silver” yet?
> I have noticed this one common thread amongst the Kremlin Operative that
> parallels Clinton’s “Damage Control” squad. Don’t deal with the facts
> just assassinate the character of the other person. Why can’t you all
> come up with newer terms other than nazi-boy, nazi-scum, trashie, and
> moron. People are watching how all of you talk and I am having to go to
> the computer store tomorrow to buy a new Zip Drive in order to receive
> and hold all the favorable E-Mail I’ve been getting since I first got on
> in the past eight days. You all are losing and that is why you stoop to
> demonizing your oppositon. We are in the people’s court Bill and a fair
> judgement is being rendered now.
>
> Doc Tavish
>
>>>>

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> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, wrote:
> >> [email protected] (Arleigh Burke) writes:
> >> On 14 Dec 1996 04:54:55 GMT, [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >No need for all this debate,. The figure of 4 million was given, but Polish
> >sources strictly broke down the figures of the alleged dead–and the Jews
> >won by a long shot.
>
> More details would be greatly appreciated. Little things like source,
> year, you know. If the tablets were written decades ago and the breakdown
> done recently, it tells you nothing about what the party line was when the
> tablets were first engraved. Wouldn’t you agree?
>
> Posted/emailed.
> —
> Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
> POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
> Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.
>
>>>>
The party line seems to have been to downplay the victims as jews, and refer
to them only as citizens of other countries. It doesn’t change the fact that the
overwhelming majority of these alleged 4 million still would have been jews.–rb

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> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, wrote:
> >> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> >> On 17 Dec 1996 09:54:48 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >> >There were 19 such slabs at Auschwitz all repeating the same lies
> >> >in different languages. Each and every slab has now been etched
> >> >out.–rb
> >>
> >> And not one of them said ‘Jews.’
> >>
> >> Amazing!
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
>
> >It didn’t have to say “Jews”. That was clearly implicit. Stop playing
> >dumb and dumber.-rb
>
> Rather than engaging in empty assertion and namecalling, perhaps you
> would like to explain what facts and/or text and which rules of textual
> interpretation make it “clearly implicit” that when the Communists had a
> chance to write “Jews” but instead wrote “human beings,” they nevertheless
> meant “Jews.” Or is this once again based on your telepathic powers?
>
> Posted/emailed.
> —
> Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
> POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
> Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.
>
>>>>
Rather, why don’t you supply us with a breakdown of alleged non-Jewish
deaths at Auschwitz and then let’s subtract that from the 4 million. What do
you say to that?–rb

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> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
>

> The error/inflation-of-figures (choose your
> preferred expression) affected almost exclusively
> the number of *non-Jewish* victims of these camps.
>
> d.A.
>
>>>>
Good. Now give us a breakdown of those figures,.

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> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> :
> : The “little deception” as you call it, rests with the Auschwitz Museum,
> : and with you, who seeks to exonerate their mendacity.–rb
> :
>
> The book “Auschwitz, Nazi Extermnation Camp”
> (Second Enlarged Edition)
> published by Interpress Publishers
> Warsaw, 1985
>
> has as the second paragraph of its text (in the Foreword):
>
> “In the government apparatus of the Third Reich the
> concentration camps were the main instruments of
> implementing the Nazi policy of terrorizing, exploiting
> the labour resources of and physically exterminating
> conquered peoples, mainly Slav, above all the Polish nation
> and the peoples of the USSR, as well as Jews and persons
> considered to be such under the Nuremberg Laws of 1935.”
>
> Could you explain how this confirms the assertion so often
> seen in this newsgroup that the Auschwitz story is all about
> Jews and ignores other victims?
>
> d.A.
>
>>>>
Can you explain why in the book “German Crimes in Poland”, it is
expressly stated that the Germans had not exterminated the Poles or
Russians, but only the Jews, and that undoubtedly the Poles and
Russians would have been the next on their list had they won the war?–rb

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[email protected] (Kurt Stele) writes:
On 17 Dec 1996 11:34:11 -0500, [email protected] (Michael P.
Stein) wrote:

In article <[email protected]>, wrote:
[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:

You know, if Auschwitz was meant to hold people in “protective
custody,” the Nazis certainly did a piss-poor job. Given the death rate,
the people being “protected” would have been safer in Berlin during the
final days of the Third Reich.

Apparently this would hold true for the German staff at Auschwitz as well,
as many of them also died and lost beloved family members during the
typhus epidemics.–rb

Given the assertion the intent purportedly was “extermination” the
Germans certainly did a piss-poor job.

Don’t you realize how ridiculous you sound by posting this nonsense?–rb

Gee, you don’t realize how ridiculous you sound posting your juvenile
one-liners and evidence-free assertions about events you did not witness
and the thoughts of people you never met.

Well, what is it that you do with your “survivor testimony”?–rb

What question is it that you think Mr. Van Alstine has failed to
answer?

Whether or not Irma Grese was responsible for the accusations against
her charged at the Nuremberg Kangaroo Court.

And indeed what I wrote was the truth.

BECAUSE! I! SAY! SO!

No, because it is the truth. On what evidence was she convicted? On the perjuring
testimony of individuals, a young woman with a whole life ahead of her was murdered
simply because THEY SAID SO, without an iota of proof!–rb

Stein would rather believe it if the Nuremberger Kangaroo Court said
so, or if any eyewitness said so. Presumably Mike Stein still also
believes electrocution, steaming, and tilting floors were used.

Were you there? Why should anyone believe you?

Pot-kettle-black.

The same foulness repeated itself at belsen, where the new inmates turned the
camp into a veritable pigsty.–rb

Let me lock you in a room with no toilet facilities. I guarantee you
that sooner or later, you will wet and soil yourself. Then by your rules
I can blame you for urinating and defecating “whenever the urge struck
you.” What total idiocy.

Sorry. That argument doesn’t work here. These people turned the compounds into
a wasteland of filth by their own choice. It is curious that Compound 2 was free of
filth, as the thousands of new arrivals were not permitted access there.–rb
>
> Assuming eyewitness testimony is true — always a hazard when it comes
> to former captives testifying against former captors, especially if
> Eastern European.
>
> >>Kremer was referring to people who were ill from typhus and dysentery. they
> >>were covered with excrement due to their illnesses. That is why he uses the
> >>term “Anus Mundi”.
> >
> > Because! I! Say! So!

No, because it makes more sense than your mythical gas chambers.–rb
>
> > Gee, did you talk to Kremer and get that explanation from him
> >personally? If not, when did you acquire the ability to read the minds of
> >dead people?

When did you speak with him to form another opinion>–rb
>
> When did you gain the ability to verify the eyewitness testimony of a
> pool of witnesses which created such wonderful canards as
> electrocution and steaming? Rather when did you obtain your
> credulity?
>
> >>The sewage for Auschwitz was always inadequately built,
> >>thus “backing up” and creating a foul stench throughout the camp, which many
> >>prisoners imagined was the stench of burning bodies.–rb
> >
> > Because! I! Say! So!–

No, because that is the way it was. You ought to read about this in more depth.
I reccoment Van Pelt’s article in Anatomy of a Death Camp.–rb
>
> > Were you there, that you know what smell they smelled and what really
> >generated it? Do you claim the ability to read the minds of dead people?

No, but I can read the reports about the inadequate plumbing facilities at Auschwitz,
combined with the filth generated by the inmates, and then put 2 and 2 together.–rb
>
> Do you claim the ability to view what actually happened?
>
> >Why should anyone believe you?
>
> Pot-kettle-black.
>
> > And all you can do is assert without evidence, and then claim that you
> >have won the argument. He brings evidence to the table from people who
> >were there. You simply assert on your own nonexistent authority what
> >people were thinking and why, with ZERO evidence. Anyone familiar with
> >high school debate knows you would lose _automatically_.

Sorry. It is up to you to prove gas chambers and the like. All you have are
accusations. When they are not confirmed by the evidence, as indeed they are
NOT, then we must look for logical explanations to explain the distortions caused
by incessant rumor mongering.–rb

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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
>

> So did the coathanger Mr. Smith’s mother used…. Oh, well, I’m sure it
> wasn’t for a lack of trying.
>
> [[Mr. Smith’s senile Nazi drooling snipped]

Here, then, is the gist of Mark van A-hole’s response to Mr. Smith’s arguments.
Read it, and remember his brilliance.–rb

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> [email protected] writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >whole thread, yet you shamefully continue to do so. The fact is, Goeth
> >had come under charges by the SS,
>
> Under *what* charges? Please demonstrate that the charges had anything
> to do with mistreatment of Jewish prisoners.
>
> No, I didn’t think you could.
>
>>>>
Well, then i won’t.–rb

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> [email protected] (Andrew Mathis) writes:

snip
>
>>>>
How many times in history was the talmud ordered confiscated and
burned by authorities throughout the world and why would they do that?

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This is mainly addressed to whomever is disputing it with me–rblackmore.
It really doesn’t matter. Most of them parrot the same old tired lines anyway.

Blackmore has returned once again to provide us with insite.

[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:

[snip]

In the case of Irma Grese, one should simply reflect on the fact that
it is not easy to manage 20-30,000 inmates. Auschwitz was a detention
center, where criminals were freely interspersed among those simply being
held in “protective custody”.

Mr. Belling is being quite disingenuous here in calling Auschwitz a
“detention center.” Auschwitz I and III (Monowitz) were slave labor camps.
Auschwitz-II Birkenau was unquestionably an extermination camp. The
prisoners held there in “protective custody” were either slated for
extermination from being worked to death; through privation, starvation,
and disease; and/or in the gas chambers at Birkenau.

Mark Van Alstine Propagandizing Again.-rb

Actually he is making clear what you tend to “leave out.”

Jim Dandy to the rescue……rb

[Mr. Belling’s Nazi apologia snipped]

Grese’s duties at Auschwitz varied. Most of her work was rather benign,
such as sorting through parcels and overseeing construction projects.
However, from May until December, 1944, Grese was appointed senior
Aufseherin for Compound “C”, which turned out to be the eventual cause
of her undoing. There she had to oversee 20-30,000 Hungarian Jewesses, all
held in protective custody. The huge influx of detainees created problems
which were addressed with difficulty by the relatively young and
inexperienced Grese. Most of the problems centered around the distribution
of food….

The fallacy of Mr. Belling’s Nazi apologia is exposed by the following
excerpt from ex-prisoner Olga Lengyel’s _Five Chimneys_ (pp.103-104):

“…At that time the ‘selections’ were made by the chief camp
directresses, Hasse and Irma Griese. On Mondays, Wednesdays, and
Saturdays, the roll call lasted from dawn until the end of the afternoon,
when they had their full quota of victims.

Victims? Roll call was to establish how many people were present.–rb

Yes—well, where was she at Grese’s trial? And why should we believe her?-rb

This is irrelevent. She wasn’t needed at the Belsen trial. They had
plenty of witnesses against her.

No, it IS relevant, and your saying it is not is irrelevant.–rb

“When these two women appeared at the camp entrance, the internees, who
already knew what top expect, became panic stricken. The beautiful Irma
Griese advanced toward the prisoners with a swinging gait, her hips
swaying, and the eyes of 40,000 wretched women, mute and motionless, upon
her. She was of medium height, elegantly dressed, with every hair in
place. The mortal terror which her mere presence inspired visibly pleased
her. For this twenty-two-year-old girl was completely without pity. With a
sure hand she chose her victims, not only from the healthy but from the
sick, the feeble, and the incapacitated. Those who, despite their hunger
and toture, still showed a glimmer of their former physical beauty were
the first to be taken. They were Irma Griese’s special targets.

Right. Little ole Irma Grese terrorizing 40 thousand people. Don’t you realize how
ridiculous you sound by posting this nonsense?–rb

Blackmore shows again that he is unable to read text. It says that the
eyes of 40,000 women were on her. It doesn’t say they were terrorized
by her alone.

mark-can you read? Note: “The mortal terror which her mere presence inspired
visibly pleased her.” Sounds like something out of a cheap Grade B Hollywood
movie script. Don’t try to interpret obvious texts for people. they won’t like you for it.–rb

“During the ‘selections’ the ‘blonde Angel of Belsen,’ as she was later to
be called by the press, made liberal use of her whip. She slashed
everywhere she wished, and we endured as well as we could. Our shrieks of
pain and our spurts of blood made her smile. What faultless, peraly teeth
she had!

Now–she is given Mengele’s nickname–Der Weisse Engel…..right–more
mythological tales from a “survivor” “witness” who can offer nothing in confirmation
of what she writes and who never appeared at the trial.–rb

You never did finish wading through the trial did you. Once Blackmore
found that others had the material and were pointing out his
distortions he moved on to _The Good Old Days_ and when that didn’t
work he chose something in German. This last was pretty obscure and
without proper identification. The games these deniers play.

You are losing it, aren’t you? Fact is, I am not through with the
“Good Old Days yet”. I will be proceeding along in time.

“One day in June, 1944, 315 ‘selected’ women were pushed together into a
washroom. In the big hall the unfortunate ones had already been kicked and
whipped. Then Irma Griese commanded the S.S. guards to nail the door shut.
As simple as that.

Irma Grese could not give commands to SS guards, Mikie.–rb

Ewww, Mikie? This is Mark you are responding to and not me, Mr.
Blackmore. I think you meant Markie. The trial makes clear that she
> gave orders, btw.

The “trial” as you call it, was a farce. And an SS Aufseherin was not empowered to
issue orders to SS personnel in the camps.–rb
>
> [snip]
>
> >>
> >> The mendacious Nazi apologia of Mr. Belling is once again exposed by the
> >> following excerpt from Deborah Dwork’s and Robert Jan Van Pelt’s
> >> _Auscwhitz: 1270 to the present_ (p.268) :
snip

r, if both stink, if both are caked with mud and feces?’
> >
> >Er—this hardly answers the question. And indeed what I wrote was the truth.
> >The same foulness repeated itself at belsen, where the new inmates turned the
> >camp into a veritable pigsty.–rb
> >
>
> Do human beings choose to live in filth, Blackmore?

Apparently they did at belsen. There were two areas in belsen unaffected by the
filth accumulated by the inmates–and that was Compound 2–where the new inmates
were not permitted to enter–and the children’s compound.–rb

Do human being
> choose to be defecated upon because they are in crowded conditions and
> cannot move for fear of losing what little space they have? Who
> created the conditions for the living conditions the inmates (note
> that these are prisoners) were forced to live in.

Many of these people created a pigsty out of their environment, much as happened
at Woodstock, where people were throwing trash, urinating and defacating everywhere.
If Woodstock lasted for 3 months it would have resembled belsen.–rb
>
> >
> >Marks irrelevant comments snipped
> >
> >> To blame the _victims_ of this Nazi “biological disaster,” and _not_ the
> >> Nazi perpetrators, in attempting to white-wash the crimes of Irma Griese,
> >> is simply malicious hypocrisy of the highest order on Mr. Belling’s part.

What crimes are these?
> >
> >Afraid not, Michael.–rb
>
> Sorry, but this is Mark. I hope that someday you can get it all put
> together, Blackmore. Afraid not, Blackmore says. Wow, I’m impressed
> with this kind of refutation!

There is little to refute. You said nothing factual.–rb
>
> >>
> >> > This would explain the pervasive stench around Auschwitz and another
> >> > reason why it was referred to as “Anus Mundi”.
> >>
> >> Again, the maliciousness of Mr. Belling’s dishonesty comes to the
> >> forefront with this puerile lie. The reference to Auschwitz being the
> >> “anus mundi” had no relation whatsoever as to “the pervasive stench around
> >> Auschwitz,” as can be seen by the context it was used in by its
> >> originator, Joseph Kremer, in his diary (Czech, _KL Auschwitz_, p.215.):
> >
> >Kremer was referring to people who were ill from typhus and dysentery. they
> >were covered with excrement due to their illnesses.
>
> See my comment above. I suggest you finish reading the Belsen trial.

I have read it.
>
> > That is why he uses the
> >term “Anus Mundi”. The sewage for Auschwitz was always inadequately built,
> >thus “backing up” and creating a foul stench throughout the camp, which many
> >prisoners imagined was the stench of burning bodies.–rb
>
> Really? Citiation?

Believe what you wish, and we will allow the public to believe whatever seems most
credible to them.–rb
>
> >Mark snipped
>
> That’s the way, snip your primary correspondent.

You do it all the time. Remember?–“Belling’s Nazi apologia snipped?”–rb
> >
> >What Kremer had to say at his trial while in the hands of the brutal Poles
> >and Communists is of no relevance to what actually occurred in the camp.-rb
> >
>
> Where is this? citation?

This needs no citation. It is common sense.–rb
>
> >> > penalty, as the prosecution failed to live up to the burden of proof
> >> > which would be required in any impartial court today.
> >>
> >> What is clear is that Mr. Belling has offered a distorted and fallacious
> >> version of Irma Grese, the “blonde Angel of Belsen,” in order to
> >> white-wash her crimes. What is equally clear is that Irma Grese was a
> >> torturer and assulter of prisoners was sentanced to death for her sadism
> >> and cruelty against the victims of Nazi mass murder and brutality. Victims
> >> who she helped to select and brutalize.

Proof? other than your mendacious professional “witnesses”?–None. of course.–rb
> >
> >She was never referred to as the blonde angel of Belsen, as she was only there for
> >ONE MONTH. This description is simply a fanciful invention of another mendacious
> >survivor “witness” who wanted to sell a book.
>
> What book is this?–

Show me any other book where she is referred to as the blonde angel of belsen, other
than that ridiculous book “Five Chimnies”. Was she so referred at the trial? NO.–rb
>
> > The rest of your comments about her character
> >and so on are not proven by the testimony or the records of the trial. This wasn’t even a good
> >try on your part. You lose again. Big time,–rb
>
> Mr. blackmore stamps his tiny feet!

And what a loud noise they make, eh, Mark?–rb
>
> >>
> >> In closing yet another sad chapter on Mr. Belling’s lying scumbag Nazi

Ah….”lying scumbag Nazi”…..how nice…..
> >
> >Uh huh. More name calling from someone who is at the losing end of
> >the argument. That’s all you can do–call people names in your frustration.-rb
> >
>
> Yes, Mark has a very poor opinion of you, sir.

Poor opinion? He has a poor opinion of himself. no self-respect.–rb
>
> >> apologia, I would note that not _once_ did Mr. Belling cite a source
> >> reference in support for his innendo and lies. One cannot but speculate
> >> that Mr. Belling’s story about the sadistic “blonde Angel of Belsen” is
> >> nothing more a figment of his puerile imagination and is yet another of
> >> his Nazi hero-worshipping fantasies.
> >
> >Read the book. By the way—where is the report on the alleged forensic tests
> >allegedly conducted at Dachau. I have only been asking for the past 7 months.
> >Where IS that crow pie, mark? Or have YOU already eaten it?–rb
> >
> >
>
> Dachau? Let’s see, we have seen Belsen and Auschwitz in this post.
> BTW, you have been told where to look, you just haven’t pulled the
> keyboard out of your mouth long enough to go and look.

You don’t get off the hook so easily, little wiggling worm. Where is the report?
I am fully confident that I can claim complete and overwhelming victory in
the Dachau gas chamber issue. You have not and cannot provide the proof
for your claims. It does not exist. you are a fabricator and a liar, as you misrepresented
something you knew you could NEVER hope to prove. You have NO evidence to offer.
You have lost miserably and everyone sees it. You have also lost this little repartee
concerning Irma Grese. You are becoming less and less of a challenge for me. Go on
to someone else….perhaps you will have more luck.–rb

From [email protected] Sat Dec 21 11:19:37 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Date: 21 Dec 1996 09:51:12 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
>
> >On 17 Dec 1996 22:17:01 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >>[email protected] writes:
>
> >>>And I suppose you read Hebrew?
>
> >>I neither wrote nor implied that I read Hebrew. Why do you ask?
> >>My humble linguistic skills are limited to English, Esperanto (Jew
> >>language invented to enslave the goyim),

It hasn’t been very successfull to date, has it? All you seem to have enslaved
is Chuck Feree and Gordon McFee.–rb

Dutch, Spanish, French,
> >>German, some Portuguese, and a little Bulgarian.
>
> >Is that all?
>
> Well, if pressed, I might be able to make out an Italin text….
>
>>>>

From [email protected] Sat Dec 21 11:19:38 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Mr. Gandhi’s “handle”
Date: 21 Dec 1996 09:59:17 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Dec 1996
> 10:54:20 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> Marty Kelley writes:
> :>> On Sun, 15 Dec 1996, tom moran wrote:
> :>>
> :>> >
> :>> > > Which proves nothing about “Gandhi”. Going by his writing style,
> :>> > >”Gandhi” is obviously a Jew.
> :>> >
> :>> > The same goes for “McFee”.
> :>>
> :>> Oooh, that’s a new one, Mr. Moran–could you explain how you can tell what
> :>> people’s ethnic/religious backgrounds are by their writing style? This
> :>> will no doubt be of great use to Science.
> :>>
>
> :>Rahter than go through all that, perhaps Mr. McFee and Mr. Gandhi shall answer
> :>the question directly.
>
> Perhaps Mr. “Blackmore” missed Mr. Gandhi’s reply.
>
> As for mine, I have made it abundantly clear that I post under my own name,
> always have and always will. That in itself should make it likely I am not
> Jewish, since there are few, if any, Jews named McFee (hell, there’s few if
> any *anybody* named McFee). But to assuage Mr. “Blackmore’s mind, allow me to
> state that I am not Jewish. Not that it matters a hill of beans.
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
I was never particularly concerned that you were. I only considered you insane.

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> [email protected] (Richard Schultz) writes:
> Gord McFee ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : :>>What is a Jewish writing style, anyway?
>
> : :>You know, words spelled right, correct grammar, stuff like that there.
>
> : Oh, *that’s* the secret! No wonder I didn’t know I was Jewish all this
> : time.
>
> Well, I *did* catch you writing “verbal” when you meant “oral” — so
> don’t expect your Official ZOG Decoder Ring just quite yet.
>
> —–
> Richard Schultz [email protected]
> Department of Chemistry tel: 972-3-531-8065
> Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
> —–
> “an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience”
>
>>>>
Why don’t you direct this to the author of “The Joys of Yiddish?”–rb

From [email protected] Sat Dec 21 11:19:40 PST 1996
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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:

How about you answer this one, Mr. Belling: how does it come to be that,
just a few short months after showing up here posing as an objective
truth-seeker, you were spotted exchanging antisemitic nursery rhymes with
Harold Covington of the National Socialist White People’s Party? How
difficult was it to fake indignation at being called “Nazi-boy,” knowing
all along that you were indeed a Nazi, in the literal sense of the term?
And lastly: do you have any shame at all?

Did I exchange rhymes? where are the others? Am I a member of the NSWPP or
any other right wing organization? No. Don’t you have any shame for all your lies,
gross distortions, and slanders? Of course you don’t. is that how your mother raised
you to be?–rb

>
> And Mr. Belling’s “niece” was trying to pick-up teenage boys over the
> Internet too.

You’re just a filthy minded pig, Mark. Do you even HAVE a girl friend or a wife?
How could they tolerate the hateful likes of you?
>
> Uh-huh. And pigs have wings.

What was it that turned you against the world and placed a chip on your
shoulder mark? You ought to seek pyschological couseling, and I am
serious about this. You are a sick man.–rb
>

For those interested in Marks steady decline into the depths of insanity,
read his hate-filled posts.

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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> (Tutu101) wrote:
>
> > Your typical exaggerating again. I notice you omitted my email reply to
> > you on this matter. How convenient. Think what you like. You are wrong
> > as usual. You remind me of the wolf in Aesop’s fable of the wolf and the
> > lamb,
>
> Are you admitting (again) that you are in fact the Troll-Joseph Bellinger ?
>
> [posted/emailed]
>
>>>>
What is a troll?

From [email protected] Sat Dec 21 11:19:41 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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> Chuck Ferree writes:
> Chuck Ferree writes for Tutu101
>
> Listen hard, fella. You have been bugging me and Mike too long and
> it’s payback time. You write and post an apology to both of us, and
> right now. We know that you know you made a rush to judgement, not to
> mention calling both of us nasty names, and making nasty insinuations,
> which I personally resent very much. As a member of AOL myself, for
> years, I think you could be in deep doodoo with your provider. So if
> you don’t want to end up like Giwer…scorned by all, kicked off a
> dozen servers, and all that goes with it, you had better take the
> consequences of your mis-behavior. Arguing about Holocaust facts is
> one thing…libel is another. Think about it, kiddo!!!
>
> Chuck
>
>
> Tutu101 wrote:
> >
> > Your typical exaggerating again. I notice you omitted my email reply to
> > you on this matter. How convenient. Think what you like. You are wrong
> > as usual. You remind me of the wolf in Aesop’s fable of the wolf and the
> > lamb,
>
> Besides all that, Tutu is a cry-baby too!!!
> Chuck
>
>>>>
And we all see what Chuck is—-why don’t you regale us again with your
putrid old war stories?

From [email protected] Sat Dec 21 11:19:42 PST 1996
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[email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Tutu101) wrote:

Your typical exaggerating again. I notice you omitted my email reply to
you on this matter. How convenient. Think what you like. You are wrong
as usual. You remind me of the wolf in Aesop’s fable of the wolf and the
lamb,

Are you admitting (again) that you are in fact the Troll-Joseph Bellinger ?

[posted/emailed]

>>>>
What is a troll?

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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:

>
> Sorry, Mr. Bellinger, a “You have no permission to talk” message
> is the result of 1 of 3 things:
>
> 1) An accidental or deliberately misconfigured news reader (such
> as when one attempts to forge their name);
>
> 2) You are attempting to access the Sprynet NNTP server from
> outside their domain;
>
> 3) A misconfigured router or portmaster at Sprynet.
>
> You can hardly blame that on those ‘wascally jews’ or the folks
> at Nizkor unless you are holding them responsible for your own
> abysmal ignorance.

Did I mention the “wascally Jews”? And I only hold Nizkook responsible
for their own abysmal ignorance.–rb
>
>
>>>>

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <595sni$so[email protected]> – [email protected] Dec 1996
> 10:30:10 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> :>> In article <[email protected]>,
> :>> Thomas Stedham wrote:
> :>>
> :>> >But, in 1990 or so, the Auschwitz museum in Poland removed the plaque that
> :>> >said 4 million jews had been killed there. (You know, the plaque the Pope
> :>>
> :>> I visited the Auschwitz Museum in October 1987 in what had
> :>> been Auschwitz I.
> :>>
> :>> I did not see the plaque. Perhaps I missed it.
> :>> Could you tell me where it was?
> :>>
>
> :>Look them up in photographs from the period. there were 19 of them.–rb
>
> No dummy, d.A was *there*. You were not. He asks you where the plaque was,
> since you claimed to know what it says. Since you lied about that, why
> shouldn’t we expect that you are lying about the plaque too?
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Look it up in a newspaper, Gordie.

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The original article expired from my site before i had
a chance to reply.

Subject: Re: Mike Curtis-This Bud’s for you, part 2
From: [email protected]
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>

[email protected] writes:

>> > Brian Harmon writes:
>> > , well, let me make a few points first:
>>
>> Numerous eyewitnesses, including Ho”ss, Broad, Kremer, Eichmann,
>> and Mu”ller all testified that mass gassing occurred at Auschwitz in
>> these gas chambers.

> Well, we can discuss the merits and demerits of their case another time.

Why not discuss them now? Deniers repeatedly claim
that there is no evidence for the holocaust, so why are
the experiences of the people who were there _not_
relevant?

>>
>> Aerial photos show a rather suspicious pit near one of the Kremas
>> during the summer of 1944, lending credence (snip)

> OK. What does this prove? We know that the Kremas often broke down and
> that typhus and epidemics were a constant scourge at Auschwitz. It was admitted
> that bodies needed to be burned out doors when the kremas were out of service.
> What else were they to do with them? We see prisoners marching in the direction
> of the ALLEGED gas chambers.

well, you have the testimonies of the people i mentioned above
(and others) saying that the gas chambers were used to massacre
innocents, and that these bodies had to be burned in pits.

Many ‘Revisionist Scholars’ claim that no such burning occurred,
and that burning human corpses in pits is simply impossible.

The fact that eyewitness accounts say that many bodies were burned in
pits and that aerial photos show one of these pits is an interesting
correllation, don’t you think?

Additionally, these ‘alleged gas chambers’ were known to be gas
chambers by every Nazi who worked in that camp, and many prisoners
forced to work there (such as Mu”ller.)

>> In this article, O’Keefe claims that Larson did not find any evidence of gassing.
>>
>> What isn’t mentioned is that mass gassing took place at camps inside Poland:
Auschwitz, Treblinka, etc.
>> and not at Dachau, where Dr. Larson was.
>>
>> In Auschwitz’s case, the mass gassing stopped many months _before_ the soviets
liberated the
camp”

> No, the last gassings were alleged to have occurred at the end of October or early Nov.,
1944,
> just a few months before the liberation of the camp.

The soviets liberated the camp in January of 1945, 3 to 4 months after gassing
operations in Auschwitz stopped. Whether you call that ‘many’ months or a ‘few’
does not change my main point:

Any bodies murdered at Auschwitz with HCN were ashes for some time >before< the Soviets liberated the camp. Therefore, doing 'autopsies' on these gassing victims was _impossible_. > > > Oh? So the piles of starved corpses found there died due to
> > > ‘disease?’
> >
> > Yes. typhus and dysentery are “wasting diseases”.
>
> Are you honestly saying the Nazis did not have any responsibilty for the
> many thousands of inmates they let die from these diseases?

I think that responsibility is measured in degrees. It is not an easy question
to address. Many Germans also died from typhus in the camps. Typhus is no
respecter of persons.

> Yes, but there were thousands of inmates crowded into the camp in the last months
> of the war. That was not Kramer’s fault. He tried to refuse them or send them
> elsewhere, but the authorities wouldn’t permit it.

Really? Where did Kramer say this?

IF this was true, why is it that the camp guards looked quite healthy
in relation to the prisoners? You say that Kramer tried to prevent
the death from disease and starvation, but it appears that there was
quite a bit of food around.

[for reference, please see http://modb.oce.ulg.ac.be/schmitz/Holocaust/sswomen.html]
[ images of the starved inmates can be found at
https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images/belsen01.jpg ]

Let’s stay on the subject of Kramer, shall we?

There’s a book out called ‘the belsen trial’ which discusses the
prosecution of Kramer (and many other nazis). It seems that many
of Kramer’s colleagues had some not-so-nice things to say about him:

[from https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/belsen.02]
[originally posted by Danny Keren]

Testimony of SS-doctor, Obersturmfuherer Fritz Klein (p. 717):
————————————————————
Whilst at Belsen I made several complaints to Kommandant Kramer
about the conditions there. I was told that I was only a doctor
and that it was nothing to do with me. Three days before the
British came, when I took over the camp, I had a talk with
Kramer about the conditions. I told Kramer that the corpses
should be removed, and that water should be supplied to
prisoners as many were dying from thirst. Kramer said he did
not take orders from me.

Testimony of Herta Ehlert, a member of the SS unit at Belsen (p. 709):
———————————————————————
The conditions in Belsen were a shame and a disgrace. I consider
that the people chiefly responsible were Kramer the Kommandant,
Dr. Horstmann, Untersturmfuehrer Klipp, who was for some time
Kramer’s second in command, and Haupsturfuehrer Vogler, who
worked in Kramer’s office and was responsible for food supply.
I say that Kramer was responsible for the conditions, among
other reasons, because on one occasion when I complained of the
increasing death rate to Kramer he replied, “let them die, why
should you care?”.

>> You don’t think the fact that the inmates were starving to death had
>> anything to do with there susceptiblity to disease? Or the squalid conditions
>> they were forced to live under?

> Yes, of course. But conditions in the camp had only deteriorated in 1945.

According to what i posted above, it was Kramer’s fault.

> Mr. Harmon-your post is unconvincing, especially since you mention Mark Van Alstine.

Amazing. So, your main point is that because i mention a person you don’t
like, my post is unconvicing?

I find that alarming, as i’d hope you’d actually take a look at the
material i presented instead.

Brian Harmon
==========================
[email protected]

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> Brian Harmon writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > Mr. Harmon posed a question recently which concerned Commandant Kramer.
> > I promised I would get back to him soon on the subject, and true to my word,
> > here is my reply.
>
> I certainly appreciate it.
>
> My name’s Brian, btw.
>
> > We had been discussing the conditions the allies found at Belsen upon liberation,
> > and whether Kramer was responsible for those conditions. It was and is my
contention
> > that he was not, for the following reasons, which may be found in the book, “The
Belsen
> > Trial::
> >
> > When Kramer was appointed as Commandant of the Belsen camp, this is what he was
told:
> >
> > “He was….told that Belsen was to become a Krankenlager, a camp for sick people
>from all
> > the other camps in North West Germany. He was not told that thousands would be
coming
> > pouring in from the Eastern part of Germany as the Russians advanced. On 1st
December
> > he arrived at Belsen and on the next day he wrote a letter….to his former chief at
Auschwitz
> > in which he described what Belsen was like…..
>
> Er, what year was this? 1944?

Yes. He had been called to Oswald Pohl’s office in December 1944, and told
that he was to be appointed to oversee Belsen-which was to become a reception
center for sick inmates from other camps. Kramer undoubtedly thought that this
job was to be relatively simple. Just looking after convalescing inmates. Little did
he know…….
>
>
> > It is clear to me that Kramer was doing everything he could to make the best out of
> > a bad situation.
>
> I disagree. For one, he was once the Kommandant of Birkenau (not all of auschwitz),
>

Wait. Let’s stop right here. We are discussing Belsen and what he was charged with in
regard to that camp. I will not digress from the subject. If you want to discuss his
activities at Auschwitz, address it in a new post. I had the courtesy to
address your request, so please have the courtesy to remain within the
perimeters of the Belsen camp.
So, your reason for rejecting
what I have just told you about his appointment and responsibilites is unacceptable.
>
> If the people were starving, why didn’t Kramer get the food to feed them? it
> was available, as his cross examination shows:
>
This is easily answered. These were Wehrmacht supplies and Kramer had no jurisdiction
over the Wehrmacht. He had no authority to issue any orders to Wehrmacht personnel.
He could not requisiton these supplies.
>
> —Was the reason that you did not go to the General [Glücks ? – HWM] and tell
> him exactly what was happening because you were frightened to tell any decent
> person what was going on in your camp? – No.

Of course he couldn’t. Gluecks was seriously ill at the time and was no longer in charge.
Pohl and Hoess were in charge and I have already given you the document that
Kramer did indeed PLEAD for their help. They were the ones who misrepresented
both his duties and the state of affairs to Kramer. It was NOT his fault, and you should
be able to see that.
>
> —Is it not the truth of the matter that you never tried in any way to help
> these people at all? – That is not true. I have written to several firms to
> get additional food.

Well, you have answered your own question. He asked and was refused.
He couldn’t very well bake the loaves himself. He did whatever he could, and
that is all one can expect from any human being.
>
> ====
>
> And later, during evidence given by Fritz Klein:
> when I took over, I was surprised at the comparatively huge amount
> of supplies which were there. …

Well, this is hardly Kramer’s fault. It rests with the doctor who was in charge. he
would have to be examined on this point.

> .. On the same day I took over from the stores a huge amount of tinned milk,
> meat, cake or biscuits and told the doctors that these should be distributed
> among the children, women and sick prisoners who really did require them.

And according to your same source, the children were fortunately in a state of
fairly good health.
>
> —Could you give us any idea of the quantity of stocks of milk, meat and
> biscuits? – These tins were packed and filled a room 4 metres in length, 5
> metres in width and approximately 3 metres in height.

Well, it was his duty to distribute these items, which was done.
>
> =====
>
> For reference, these quotes are also taken from ‘The Belsen Trial.

I see no contradiction with what I have told you.
>
> Lastly. there is the testimony of other people in the camp:
>

> Testimony of SS-doctor, Obersturmfuherer Fritz Klein (p. 717):
> ————————————————————

. Kramer said he did
> not take orders from me.

What are you intending to prove by this? It is a fact that Klein had
no authority to issue commands to Kramer. Kramer was perfectly aware
of the horrific problems confronting him and he didn’t need Klein’s meddling,
which was merely telling him what he already knew. Kramer did not have to
explain his actions to Klein. Undoubtedly Klein was completely unaware of
the many attempts Kramer had made to seek help for the camp through
the proper channels. It was Kramer who arranged for the peaceful surrender of
the camp to the allies-not Klein.
>
> Testimony of Herta Ehlert, a member of the SS unit at Belsen (p. 709):
>
This quote is simply absurd. She had no authority to issue orders to Kramer
either. I do not believe her. She was charged by the British as well, and as
such was only concerned for her own hide. The easiest thing in the world
for an underling to do is shift blame on to one’s superior. In Kramer’s case
it was justified. In hers it was not. Her alleged quotes are unimportant. It
is her word against Kramer. The evidence which Kramer presented to the court
was compelling. One can see that he did indeed make an effort to address the
problems in his camp. This evidence is more important than their self-serving
gossip.
>
>
> Given what i’ve posted here, it seems that Kramer could have done
> quite a bit to prevent starvation at the camp, yet he did nothing.

That’s funny-I get quite the different impression. It is easy to talk today. Had
you been in charge at Belsen, I would be interested to see how you would have
fared. It took weeks for the British to stabilize conditions at this camp-and this was
with the best medical assistance. Kramer was thrown into this mess, it was misrepresented
to him-tens of thousands of seriously ill people were crammed into a camp which was only
built to accomodate a few thousands-his repeated requests for assistance from
his superiors were virtually ignored because they were also helpless to confront
the horror head on….You are expecting too much from one man who was only in
charge of this camp for 3 months. He was not guilty and should never have been
executed for the conditions at Belsen. Also-a few other comments-many
of the people at this camp were afflicted with gastro-enteritis and dysentery.
This means that administration of FOOD to these individuals makes their
condition WORSE, not better. What they needed was immediate hospitalization.
Kramer’s documents speak for themselves and they vindicate him. One final
curiosity-one improvement Kramer was actually successful in implementing was
the construction of some new barracks for many of the seriously ill-and this was
later used against him by mendacious ex-inmates of the camp when they swore
that these barracks were actually “GAS CHAMBERS”.
>
rb>
>
>

>

>>>>

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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:

Mr. Blackmore whines about name calling and then to a member of this
conference note his replies. In an actual debate, how would you feel
toward this person? Now, I admit that the member calls Mr. Blackmore
names also, but note that Blackmore is the one complaining about this
in other threads.

[email protected] (ibokor) writes:

[snip]

There can be no sanity and reason from the insane and irrational, as applies
to Mr. McFee and Nizkooks in general.

So now he takes on calling individuals Nizkooks and Mr. McFee is
insane. Valuable arguments. Stunning in their attack on the thistory
of the Holocaust. I have a great fear that this is all we are going to
get.

No dummy, d.A was *there*. You were not. He asks you where the plaque was,
since you claimed to know what it says. Since you lied about that, why
shouldn’t we expect that you are lying about the plaque too?

How can I “lie” about placques which have been photographed by news
and press agencies for posterity? Silly person.

Gord is now silly and crazy.

d.A. continues:

In Room 1 of Block 4 there was an urn. “The urn with a handful of ashes,
collected in the Birkenau terrain, commemorates ‘4 million of those’
who had perishhed there.”

Yes, and these alleged four million were what–Eskimoes? Are you so
dense?

> This seems to be to d.A.and he is a dense person.
>
> > p. 19 of “Auschwitz 1940-1945 Guide-Book through the Museum”
> > Krajowa Agencja Wydawnicza, 1981
> > ISBN 83-03-01330-0.
> >
> > The same page contains:
> >
> > “4 millin persons perished in the ‘Konzentrationslager
> > Auschwitz-Birkenau’, 4 million persons from all the countries
> > under Nazi occupation.”
> >
> > [The reader who is at least semi-literate will have observed
> > that the word “Jew” is missing from this text.]
> >
> >So? What is your contention, then, that 1.5 million Jews were killed at
> >Auschwitz and 2.5 million Gentiles? Is that what you are now asking us
> >to swallow? Lotsa luck…-rb
> >
>
> He is pointing out that the word Jew is missing and that you are
> distorting the evidence. I believe that you sense this but are unable
> to pull yourself out of the trap you have dived into.
>
> >> In fact the reader of this guide-book who is looking for a single
> >> location where there is mention of 4 million Jewish victims
> >> will be sorely disappointed.
> >
> >Disappointed?–rb
>
> Further distortion of the point being made. Not only is Mr. Blackmore
> dishonest with the sources he uses but he is also dishonest with the
> messages he receives here in this group.
>
> >>
> >> In fact, the abiding impression is that the Jewish victims are
> >> down-played in this guide-book, as in the Museum at the time
> >> of my visit.
> >
> >Perhaps those jewish “victims” were a figment of someones vivid imagination.–rb
> >
> >
>
> This comment is not an historical one at all, but it does point to the
> intentions of the writer.
>
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
I can and will reply briefly yout comments. Note the names I was called by
your colleagues:

“Gordon tries to inject a note of sanity and reason.”
Comment: This is supposed to imply that I am insane and unreasonable.

” No dummy, d.A was *there*”.
Comment: I am called a dummy.

” Since you lied about that, why
> >> shouldn’t we expect that you are lying about the plaque too?”
Comment: I am referred to as a double liar.

These comments are not historical at all, but it does point to the
intentions of the writers. Now, when are you going to cut the childish
games and name calling and seriously discuss the issues without prejudice?–rb

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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
rblackmore writes:
> > The fact is, it takes time to investigate crimes which by their very nature, were
> > difficult to investigate in closed camps like Auschwitz and the rest.
>
> It is, of course, even harder when the suspect has the right and
> power to murder possible witnesses against him (as Koch did). Moreover Koch
> and the others were apparently protected by Eike. Many complaints by von
> Waldeck were quashed without investigation.

But Koch hanged in the end, didn’t he?–rb

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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>
> The point is not whether “research” needs to be done but whether the
> information was available to you. In fact, Segev’s book was a doctoral thesis for
> which he had access to (and for this information) cited to material in the
> Budesarchiv Koblenz which contains the SS files. While the trial of Koch might
> have been only a passing reference in “Soldiers of Evil” it is clearly
> “authoritative” as there is no reason to doubt its accuracy.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
That the author had access to such documents I do not doubt. I merely
question some of his interpretations.–rb

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In a discussion concerning the guilt or innocence of Kramer, former
commandant of Belsen, Danny Keren referred to unsupported statements
attributed to the ex-commandant by former camp Aufseherin Herta Ehlert,
a petty thief and bully. Ehlert swore that Kramer had said of the inmates
at Belsen: “Let them die, why should you care?” I responded by saying that
I did not believe her, and posted a few reasons why I didn’t. Danny, of course,
scoffed at these remarks. The gist of my argument was that it appeared that
Ehlert, who had been arrested and charged with crimes, did what is usually
done by subordinates-cast the guilt and responsibility on to her superiors, in
this case, Kramer. Kramer denied having uttered these words on the witness
stand. I believe him, based upon the evidence which I researched, proving
that Kramer did everything he could to improve conditions within the camp. Indeed,
if people like Keren and others insist on placing responsibility squarely onto the
shoulders of Kramer, their opinions are negated by the evidence in his favor. Besides
the documents which support Kramer’s claims, we also have the fact of the children’s
camp at Belsen. The children were found to be in “fairly good health” by the British
authorities. The reasons why? The children were segregated from the main camp. Why?
Because the main camp was where the epidemics had spread. The person responsible for
keeping the children away from the adult section was KRAMER. If women sacrificed them-
selves in order to procure higher food rations for the children, then this is also a major factor-
but, food notwithstanding-if Kramer had placed the children into the adult compounds,
they would have perished. Now, as to Ehlert, let us briefly examine how credible she is:

Herta Ehlert was referred to the SS for work duty in 1939, She served at Ravensbrueck,
Lublin, and Auschwitz before being transferred to Belsen in 1945.

Now, sometime during the day or night of June 11, 1945, Ehlert was interrogated by the
British. At her trial she contested written statements which she had originally given to her
interrogators, stating that they were not correct. For instance:

Q: Have you received a German translation of the statement you made on the
11th June, 1945, at Celle?

A: Yes, but it is not a correct version of what I originally said.

Where have we heard this before? It seems as though the interrogators were,
as I previously posted, simplying interested in accumulating all the sensationalistic
statements as possible to use against the accused. For instance, in the same
“deposition” referred to above, it was alleged that Ehlert witnessed a staff member
“kicking” an inmate. When questioned about this at the trial, Ehlert said:

“I never said that he was kicking her.”

The British also included a statment that Ehlert had heard Kramer giving orders to
another staff member to beat the women. When asked about this on the witness
stand, Ehlert replied:

“I do not know. I have seen Kramer speaking to Kasainitzky, but whether he gave
this order, I cannot say.”

So, the British interrogators somehow transformed Kramer speaking to someone into
an imagined scene where he is giving orders to “beat women”.

And so on and so forth. When asked:

“How did you find the conditions when you arrived at Belsen?”, she replied:

“The conditions were the worst I ever saw in a camp. They became worse as time
went on.”

Thus, her opinion is in agreement with Kramer, who had been virtually duped into
accepting the assignment there. Also in agreement were Pohl and Hoess, who later
toured the camp at the urgent request of Kramer. Both of these men also indicated that
there was nothing they could do for him.

Now, we have all read much about the conditions of this camp, and it is noteworthy to
mention the date when Ehlert first arrived for duty: February, 1945! Therefore,
just 2 months after Kramer, and ONE month before liberation! A period when conditions
in the camp were at their worst!

Now, as to my incessant postings that allied bombing sorties helped to contribute to the
horrifying conditions in the camp, we find confirmation in the following exchange:

Q: Did you try to do anything yourself to help?

A: …I went to Unterscharfuehrer Mueller, who was in charge of …(the)…store, and he told me
that all the train wagons were SMASHED BY BOMBING and he could not do anything about
it. At that moment I happened to meet Kramer, told him about it and said that the death rate
was increasing, and that the prisoners could not keep alive on this thin soup. He made the
Kommandos from the prisoners collect potatoes and mash them, and those mashed potatoes
were mixed with the soup….”

Now, to Keren’s beloved quote:

“In March I saw Dr. Horstmann. The weather had become a bit warmer and I was rather
anxious about the open latrines, because I thought it might cause an epedemic (!), and he
said he could not do anything about it because he had no means of disinfection and could
only give me one sack with chalk for this purpose. The third time I returned to the camp
I did not feel very well, because of the horrible smell, and on meeting Kramer I talked to him
about it and he said: “Let them die; we cannot do anything about it; my hands are tied.”

So these are the circumstances under which Ehlert claims Kramer uttered the words attributed
to him. Take it for what it is worth. If we compare this alleged statement with the written formal
plea for help Kramer sent on to his superiors, Ehlert’s assertions simply do not appear credible.

If we may return briefly to her alleged “confessions and statements” again, we read the
following:

Q: In your statement to Colonel Genn which was read over to you in German and which
you swore to as true, you said in paragraph 10, “I have heard that Ilse Forster and Frieda
Walter used to beat interness to a quite unreasonable extent.”

(Now, notice the method used by the interrogators. He uses such terms as “I have heard”…
etc.) And if she had heard, she would have to have heard form 2nd or 3rd hand sources. Now, for
Ehlert’s reply:

A: It must be that the interpreter did not understand.

Indeed, perhaps it was his intention to deliberately not understand.

In a similar vein:

Q: Did you not say to Colonel Genn that you saw him (Kramer) kicking and shaking
her, and later hit her with a stick on her head and face and all over her body quite
unmercifully?”

A: No.

Well, it seems that Colonel Genn had quite an imagination.
Perhaps he “misinterpreted”?

Only a couple more examples ought to suffice to formally conclude this debate:

Q: Was it not a favorite trick of the SS to make one lot of prisoners beat another?

A: No. They were very often FIGHTING AMONGST EACH OTHER.

Q: When you made your statement to Colonel Genn, who questioned you?

A: An interpreter who gave the Colonel my replies in English.
(I would LOVE to track this person down today)

Q: When it was read (Back to you), did you notice if anything was wrong and which
did not agree with what you had said?

A: No. I received the impression that it was what I had said.

Hmmm, a funny thing happened on the way to the Forum………

Finally, and this is the one I love the best:

Q: Do you remember saying to Colonel Genn: “I say that Kramer was responsible for
the conditions. Among other reasons, (Which are conveniently NEVER given) because
on ONE occasion, when I complained of the increasing death rate to Kramer, he replied,
“Let them die. Why should you care?”

A: Yes.

Q: And I put it to you that you took his advice.

A: What could one individual person like me do with so many thousands of prisoners?

The same could well be asked of Kramer…………………………..

Source: The Belsen Trial, pg. 227-242.

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> [email protected] writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >And I suppose you read Hebrew?
>
> I neither wrote nor implied that I read Hebrew. Why do you ask?
> My humble linguistic skills are limited to English, Esperanto (Jew
> language invented to enslave the goyim), Dutch, Spanish, French,
> German, some Portuguese, and a little Bulgarian.
>
>>>>
Well, if you read Bulgarian, you should also have a knowledge of Russian.

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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> Testimony of Mr. Harold Le Druillence from Jersey, former prisoner
> in Belsen, who was “employed” as corpse carrier there:
>
He was a member of the Hungarian guard [1], but the
> shooting was not confined to Hungarians; it was simply terrible,
> hundreds were shot per day.
>
>
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Did this witness identify by name even ONE of those allegedly shot?

From [email protected] Sat Dec 21 22:36:16 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:

Yup, I’m not surprised what I’m seeing coming from the keyboard of
rblackmore. Plus he splashes stuff on the identity list. I am
disappointed in the cipher though.

Pray tell, why?

In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Dec 1996
09:52:41 GMT writes:

What is relevant is that you lied and claimed that the slabs mentioned 4
million Jews.

No, Gord. you seem to be getting senile. I posted an explanation for the misunderstanding.-rb

> >[end quote]

> >
> >
> >–
> >Gord McFee
> >I’ll write no line before its time
> >
>
> Mike Curtis
>
> Nizkor (USA) – An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
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>
>>>>You’re going to make that ditty popular yet!

From [email protected] Sat Dec 21 22:36:17 PST 1996
Article: 87420 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Now Playing….Irma Grese
Date: 21 Dec 1996 10:55:26 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Dec 1996
> 12:07:05 GMT writes:
> :>
> :> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>
> [deleted]
>
> :>What has any of this to do with Irma Grese?
> :>You are a sad little impotent man. Your impotence is starkly revealed
> :>whenever you resort to the lowlife tactics of name calling and personal slander.
> :> Unfortunately for you, it is not helping your lost cause. You are losing the fight and all the
> :>dirt slinging in the world will not save your abysmal Holobunk stories.
> :>You were already castigated by Mike Stein for misrepresenting this
> :>whole thread, yet you shamefully continue to do so. The fact is, Goeth
> :>had come under charges by the SS, and would undoubtedly have been
> :>executed had not the end of the war precluded the event. In any case,
> :>he was re-arrested and tried by the Poles, where he was sentenced to
> :>death and executed. Unlike Irma Grese, Goeth deserved strict punishment
> :>for his offenses. Now, why do you bring this up when you are supposed to
> :>be replying to a thread on Irma Grese?-rb
>
> Spare us the moral outrage, Mr. “Blackmore” and explain the following quote
> from someone you know well.
>

The quote you posted in an attempt to defend Keren is not relevant to this
thread. If you wish to post the ditty, start another thread.–rb

From [email protected] Sat Dec 21 22:36:17 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 21 Dec 1996 22:58:17 GMT
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:

I posted an emailed this one. I prefer a public response, however,
from whoever.

[email protected]g.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:

Yup, I’m not surprised what I’m seeing coming from the keyboard of
rblackmore. Plus he splashes stuff on the identity list. I am
disappointed in the cipher though.

Pray tell, why?

Well, where to start, Mr. Whoever. When you first showed up in this
group as jbelling (there could have been a prior incarnation for the
styles are approximately the same and the methods were the same) you
had the persona of an enquiring mind. You presented a mind not totally
made up.

Indeed, my mind is still not made up. I have a number of theories I am
entertaining as to what may have happened, but I am fairly well convinced
that mass gassings of women and children etc., never had the official
sanction of the German Government. –rb

This is an aspect of some deniers introductions and personas
to a forum or newsgroup. They play the intellectual innocent. You did
this. Then, like a prior persona, you tried to reach various members
via email to conduct “serious” discussions. I found that, like a
previous persona, this action appeared to be more of a fishing
expedition for save topics and ground. I also found that when things
were presented to your email self you would thank the party and
continue on in blissful ignorance. The email persona was not the
newsgroup persona for it appeared that nothing was really learned or
accepted.

Well, this was also the behavior of your colleagues–and, indeed, I had nor
have any animosities toward any of you. It is not in my nature to hate. I
always responded politely to your emails before you and your colleagues
began with the insults. I believe it was Mark van Alstine and Chuck Feree
who threw down the gauntlet first. But that shouldn’t surprise you…but if
they want to dish it out, they will have to take it as well.–rb

Your claims as to your intentions and preference to keep to the high
road have been obviously not kept on this board. You are easily
triggered and you do not seem to now this.

Yes, I am easily triggered when I am referred to as “Nazi boy” “scum-bag”
“liar” and God knows what else.–rb

You have made claims of an
education in the field of history and yet you do not display this
training at all.

Mike–I received straight A’s in my history classes. You challenge my
knowledge and training simply because I do not agree with many of your claims.-rb

You are clumsy with your sources and distort them to
fit your own perceptions rather than let the chips fall where they
may.

Indeed I do not Mike. I simply try to view them as unprejudiced as possible and call
a spade a spade and let the chips fall where they may.–rb

Doubtful sources do not require twisting or distortions to be
seen as doubtful with the proper substantiation. This substantiation
is rarely provided in a satisfactory manner.

What you call “twisting” and “distorting” is simply use of logic and reason
when examining documents and confessions.–rb

You claimed to not be an anti-Semite and yet posted to a mail group an
anti-Semitic poem. Though I subscribe to certain lists and groups with
which I do not agree with the concepts presented, I am not
> hypocritical enough to join them in their presentations. This applies
> to whatever the subject of the group is. To even consider such a
> posting and actually setting it to the keyboard without a disclaimer
> of some sort is suggestive of the intent and attitudes of the poster.

I will say this again: I am not an anti-Semite. I number many jewish people
among my acquaintances and friends. My home is open to all people of good
will, regardless of race, creed, or color. Them’s the facts. I know it is difficult
for you to understand, but what can I say? You and your colleagues can twist
and turn this issue anywhich way you can, yet it will not change reality or the
facts. I am not a hater. –rb

> So, I am disappointed and have further lowered my estimation of your
> character accordingly.

It doesn’t take much in this atmosphere. Look hard enough and you will
find a justification for everything.–rb

But, sir, this is a personal estimation. I’ll
> do nothing to suggest that my estimation should be shared with others
> for they can and will form their own impressions. Some of them are not
> fearful in being honest when they address you concerning their
> feeelings about you.

Nor are they polite.–rb

This is unfortunate because the readers of the
> group will probably have the same view as they without the prodding.

Let’s just leave that to the readers of the group, shall we?–rb
>
> It is the holiday season so Happy Holidays.

Happy Holidays and a Peaceful, healthy, and prosperous New Year to you and
yours–rb

From [email protected] Sat Dec 21 22:36:19 PST 1996
Article: 87440 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 21 Dec 1996 23:19:23 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Read a few more posts. Of course you will now prove to us that
> >this 4 million were really Gentiles? I am waiting…go to it, if you dare….
>
> Why would I want to do such a thing? I accept the generally accepted
> view that four million is a gross overestimate of the number of Auschwitz
> deaths, so most of them are neither Jews, Gentiles, nor Martians. I have
> certainly never asserted that they were Gentiles. If you think I have,
> check out DejaNews and be disabused of your strange fantasy.
>
> *Your* assertion is that the Polish authorities at Auschwitz somehow
> said or implied that the four million were Jews. Please back up *your*
> assertion.
>
>>>>
Who was addressing you personally on this, Mr. Power? I did not.
Now, in reply to your comments–my assertion that the alleged Jewish dead at Auschwitz
were implied is justified. Now, whether YOU accepted the claim that 4 million
were gassed there or not is irrelevant. What IS relevant is what the Polish
Government and the Auschwitz Museum claimed for decades. And many agencies,
news bureaus, publishers, authors, as well as the common man in the street all bought
into the hoax. Others recognized that the figures of the hoax could never be supported by
evidence, so the claim began to be lowered by holocaust historians in the west.
And it is true when you write that the 4 million were neither Jews, Martians, nor
gentiles–so thank you for admitting the Hoax-rb

From rbla[email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:32 PST 1996
Article: 87493 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 21 Dec 1996 22:34:32 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >Ken, I could never wallow in a sewer deeper than the one you crawled out
> >of.
>
>
> You already said this. I suggest that if you ant to come up with a
> snappy retort you go out and buy a snappy retort book.
>
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
I suggest that you keep out of situations where you are
not referred to. It is not an indication of good manners.-rb

From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:33 PST 1996
Article: 87496 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
Date: 22 Dec 1996 07:55:10 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> > > [email protected] wrote:
> > >
> > > : That has already been addressed, though not to your liking, I am
> > > : sure. Now, do you claim to read hebrew or not? Perhaps you can answer
> > > : a question in a straight forward manner for once in your life.
> Just once.
> > > : try it.–rb
> > >
> > >
> > > I don’t read Hebrew, and never claimed I did.
> > >
> > > Gee, this answering questions in a “straight forward” manner is fun!
> > > Your turn, Mr. Belling–why did you send the following message to
> > > Harold Covington of the National Socialist White People’s Party?
> > >
> >
> > Why do you ask after you have already been given an answer?–rb
>
> We like to see you squirm for the worm you are?

>>>>
Where’s that crow pie , mark?–rb

From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:34 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
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> [email protected] (Charles Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >> [email protected] writes:
> >> [email protected] writes:
> >>
> >> >And I suppose you read Hebrew?
> >>
> >> I neither wrote nor implied that I read Hebrew. Why do you ask?
> >> My humble linguistic skills are limited to English, Esperanto (Jew
> >> language invented to enslave the goyim), Dutch, Spanish, French,
> >> German, some Portuguese, and a little Bulgarian.
> >>
> >Well, if you read Bulgarian, you should also have a knowledge of Russian.
>
> Why do you keep expanding on my claims, Joe? Certainly on the basis of
> my slight knowledge of Bulgarian, I should be able to make out a
> few words in any extended text of a Slavic language in either the Latin
> or the Cyrillic alphabet, but the starting point is so weak that these
> extensions are hardly worth mentioning. I’d be more justified to claim
> a “knowledge” of Romanian on the basis of my Spanish and French (not to
> mention dusty memories of high school Latin).
>
> And no, I still don’t read Hebrew.
>
>>>>
All rightie, then.

From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:35 PST 1996
Article: 87502 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 22 Dec 1996 07:46:11 GMT
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> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> > The party line seems to have been to downplay the victims as jews, and refer
> > to them only as citizens of other countries. It doesn’t change the fact
> that the
> > overwhelming majority of these alleged 4 million still would have been
> jews.–rb
>
> Which party is this line from?
>
> I haven’t been invited to any parties.
>
> Sara
>
> —
> “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the
> Christian religion.”
> George Washington, 1796
>
>>>>
Is that a request for an invitation?

From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:35 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > [email protected] (Andrew Mathis) writes:
> >
> > snip
> > >
> > >>>>
> > How many times in history was the talmud ordered confiscated and
> > burned by authorities throughout the world and why would they do that?
>
> How many priests did the Nazi murder and why did they do _that?_

As far as I know, none. Now, would you mind answering my question?–rb
>

From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:36 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Irma Grese: By Special Request
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> Keith Morrison writes:
> Daniel Keren wrote:
>
> > # Maybe we need a new newsgroup for our little Nazi-wannabes:
> > # alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.female.nazi.ss….
> >
> > I think there’s a group photo of some of the SS-women in
> > https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
> >
> > It’s called SS-Women.jpg or something like that. I scanned
> > it from “The Belsen Trial”.
>
> There’s a screen capture at
> http://www.dmmw.com/lonewolf/camps.html#3
> of these beuties.
>
> —
> Keith Morrison
> [email protected]
> http://www.dmmw.com/lonewolf/keithm.html
>
>>>>
Plebian.

From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:37 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>

>>>>
You showed a psychologist? Was it on one of your weekly visits? You really
should think about changing it to twice a week.–rb

From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:37 PST 1996
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From: rblackmor[email protected]
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Subject: Re: ‘Let them die, why should you care?’
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
rblackmore wrote:

> > We have only Kramer and
> >Ehlert’s word on this matter, and Ehlert was an unprincincipled scoundrel,
> >the perfect witness for the likes of Danny Keren and his motives for posting
> >tripe.
>
> You are correct in that she was not angel. We also have Sington,
> Hoessler, Kein, Berney, Le Druillenec, Bimko, and many others to
> consider. Ehlert’s word was not the only word used against Kramer.
> This appears to be the method you are trying to use here in your
> denial of Kramer’s guilt over two charges. This is a typical denier
> method. Distort the big picture by shrinking it down to a distorted
> small one.
>
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
I shall refer the matter to the readers: I have reposted much of the original
Kramer threads, as well as the Ehlert dialogues, beginning with “Let her lie,
why do you care?”–rb

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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> Testimony of Herta Ehlert, a member of the SS unit at Belsen (p. 709):
> ———————————————————————
> The conditions in Belsen were a shame and a disgrace. I consider
> that the people chiefly responsible were Kramer the Kommandant,
> Dr. Horstmann, Untersturmfuehrer Klipp, who was for some time
> Kramer’s second in command, and Haupsturfuehrer Vogler, who
> worked in Kramer’s office and was responsible for food supply.
> I say that Kramer was responsible for the conditions, among
> other reasons, because on one occasion when I complained of the
> increasing death rate to Kramer he replied, “let them die, why
> should you care?”.
>
>
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Unconcerned that this business was debunked ages ago, Danny keeps
reposting this distortion in the hopes of converting a new disciple here
and there. The fact is, Herta Ehlert was a liar and a petty thief. Ehlert
was under charges herself for mistreating prisoners, and who better to
shift the blame on than the hapless commandant, Kramer. It goes without
saying that Kramer denied that this conversation ever took place. After a
rigorous investigation of Kramer’s testimony and Ehlert’s, an unbiased person
can only conclude that Ehlert was indeed a liar. We have only Kramer and
Ehlert’s word on this matter, and Ehlert was an unprincincipled scoundrel,
the perfect witness for the likes of Danny Keren and his motives for posting
tripe.

From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:39 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – Doc Tavish
> <"[email protected]"@phoenix.net>Tue, 17 Dec 1996 17:31:47 -0600 writes:
> :>
> :>Gord McFee wrote:
> :>>
> :>> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected]
> :>> (Tutu101)16 Dec 1996 12:39:59 GMT writes:
> :>> :>
> :>> :>It is obvious you blew it.
> :>>
> :>> You seem to use this appraoch a lot. First, you show up, acting as if you
> :>> don’t know how to quote properly. Then, after a time, you “learn” how to
> :>> quote. Then, you bugger off and re-appear under yet another name. How many
> :>> is that now?
> :>>
> :>> —
> :>> Gord McFee
> :>> I’ll write no line before its time
> :>
> :>I will answer for my compatriot- he must be a dumb nazi who jest can’t
> :>be lerned!
>
> Obviously your spineless jelly fish “friend” can’t answer for himself now that
> he is posting as “Blackmore” again. Piss off “Doc”.
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
I am more than capable of answering for myself, Gord. Don’t mess with
Doc!–rb

From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:40 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Dec 1996
> 12:24:28 GMT writes:
> :>
>
> :>Silly man.
>
> Really? Do you know the sill man who wrote this?

>
> [end quote]
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Yes, you did.

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] (Ken Lewis)Mon,
> 16 Dec 1996 16:18:58 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>On 16 Dec 1996 13:18:03 GMT, [email protected] (Tutu101) wrote:
> :>
> :>
> :>>And what if acorns were marshmallows?
> :>
> :>Fat chipmunks?
>
> And what if acorns were *not* marshmallows? 🙂
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Why, they’d be acorns.

From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:41 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> # What she was, was a 21 year old girl who was murdered on
> # the basis of false testimony,
>
> She testified about the selections to the gas chambers, and
> her participation in these selections.
>
> But you “forgot” to include this in the excerpts you took from
> her testimony… right?
>
> You should see a doctor about that memory problem.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
>
>
>>>>
Her testimony clearly says that she never saw gas chambers and it
was only based upon rumors. She didn’t gas anyone. You should see
a rabbi about this lying problem you seem to have. You need spiritual
guidance.

From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:42 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Dec 1996
> 10:48:44 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Richard Schultz) writes:
>
> :>> “I seem to smell a peculiar and a fishlike smell.”
> :>>
>
> :>Have you considered changing your diet?
>
> I think the smell involves you, Mr. “Blackmore”.

>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
As usual, you’re wrong.

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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:

Actually, Doc, not all prisoners were tattooed, even at Auschwitz. Some of
those destined for transit to another camp from Auschwitz were often held
for a while and then shipped on.

Mr. Belling continues with his disinngenuous “embellingments.” Would Mr.
Belling care to explain why, up until around November 1944, records show
approximately a million Jews being sent to Auschwitz but never leaving?
Would Mr. Belling care to back up his explination with the historical
> evidence?

How do you definitely know that they never left, mark? How do you know for
a fact that this number entered the camp? Train schedules? Sorry, that is not
enough to go on…so, what proof do you have?

Consequently, there was no need to tattoo.

Mr. Belling here again attempts to sidestep the glaring fact that the Jews
sent to Auschwitz and selected for “special treatment” were _not_
registered into the camp, as they were slated to soon be murdered in the
gas chambers at Auschwitz.* As they were not registered, they did not
recieve tatoos.

Yes, this is your interpretation. But based upon what EVIDENCE, Mark?
As I mentioned, I have personally met ex-inmates from Auschwitz and they
did NOT have a tattoo. I had a Jewish mechanic who was from Poland, and
he DID have a tattoo. Now, this is strange, don’t you think–as it is the Polish Jews
who are claimed to have been all but exterminated–and they would have been
among the first sent to the camp–and here is a man–a Jewish man–with a tattoo
>from Auschwitz–and he is still alive and well. Note that he would have been sent
to Auschwitz well before the Hungarian jews.

* “Beginning in July 1942, Jewish transports went through selection upon
arrival. The young, healthy, and able-bodied men and women were selected
for labor. The remaining deportees, above all children, mothers with small
children, and pregnant women, were consigned to death in the gas chambers
without any registration.” (cf. Gutman, _Anatomy_, p.414.)

Well, this is an accusation. Where is the proof?

Curiously, at some point during the course of the war, and this would have
to be checked in Danuta Czech’s book, the tattooing of prisoners stopped
altogether at Auschwitz.

Here’s some things that Czech (_Auschwitz Cronicles_, pp.563-564) has to
say on this:

snip
(Note: I snipped the quote, not out of disrespect, but because it did not answer
my question. therefore, its introduction was irrelevant. Do you have the quote where
Czech indicates at what point the tattooing of inmates ceased?.”–rb

As to the the complete cessation of registering (and hence tatooing) of
prisoners at “some point during the course of the war,” one need only
point out that as late as January 4, 1945, only two weeks prior to the
_evacuation_ of Auschwitz, prisoners recieved registration numbers (cf.
Ibid. p.773.). This was _after_ the cessation of homicidal gassings at
Auschwitz.*

*”The last victims to undergo selection was a transport from
Theresienstadt, which arrived on October 30,1944. The next transport, from
Sered, which arrived on November 3, 1944, was registered in the camp
register in its entirety.” (Gutman, _Anatomy_, p.174.) The note to the
above is as follows: “73. According to H.G. Adler, gassings in Auscwhitz
were discontinued on November 2, 1944; Adler, _Thereseinstadt 1941-1945_
(Tu”bingen, 1955), p.694.” (Ibid. p.181.)

> Given the above, how does Mr. Belling explain, for example, that during
> Aktion Ho”sd some 10 percent (~44,000) of the approximately 438,000
> arriving Jews from Hungary were registered while the the remaining 90
> percent (~394,000) were _not_ registered and were never heard from again?

There are literally a hundred books dealing with the fate of the Hungarian Jews
sent to Auschwitz. Many of them disagree in many points. If there is so much
disagreement among the researchers, how can you expect people to take
your statement as fact?–rb
>
> > I have personally spoken to ex-inmates of Auschwitz, some of who had a
> tattoo,
> > and others who didn’t. There need be nothing sinister read into the fact that
> > some inmates were tattooed and others were not. The members of the SS were
> > also tattooed under their arm.
>
> Given that Mr. Belling is a proven (and mendacious) liar, I would ask of
> him a signed and notorized deposition from these “ex-inmates of Auschwitz”
> he claims to have talked to that confirm his claims. Until then, Mr.
> Belling’s, “claims” cannot be taken seriously.

Well, then, do not take them seriously. The fact is what I wrote is the truth.–rb

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
>

> [end quote]
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Gordon’s Holiday Hit parade has only one selection. I think YOU
should be writing to Mr. Covington, Gord.

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> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Kurt
> Stele) wrote:
>
>
> > I imagine it’s much the very same. Since the original Talmud
> > authorizes the violation of young gentile children I’d say it’s
> > probably considered kosher.
>
> Liar.
>
> Again, here is what YOU think and what REALITY IS:
>
> 5. “A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated.”-
> -Aboda Sarah 37a.
>
> Apparently a deliberate misquote. The observation is a technical, physiological
> one, regarding the impurities related to genital “flows” as outlined in
> Leviticus chapter 15. The Talmudic source argues that since the tearing of the
> hymen at that age would be permanent (as distinct from a younger girl whose
> hymen the rabbis believed would grow back), she is considered to have reached a
> state of physical development that her discharges would be included under the
> category of impure flows according to the Biblical purity laws. (The same rule,
> by the way, would apply to a Jewish girl). This is of course not a permission to
> “violate” the girl, merely a legal definition of her age.
>
>
> DEAL WITH IT, you liar.
>
> Sara
>
> —
> “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the
> Christian religion.”
> George Washington, 1796
>
>>>>
Do you regard the menstral flow as “impure”, in the same sense as
other bodily funcitions dealing with elimination?

From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:45 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>
> > What is the tosephta and how does it differ from the Talmud?-rb
>
> I suggest that you add to your extensive library:
>
> “The Talmud: A Reference Guide” by Adin Steinsaltz. It runs about
> $25,00 in paperback. : “The Tosafot were the collective creation of Rashi’s
> disciples and their students (including many of his own descendants), and they
> are a kind of summary of the style of study and inquiry in the yeshivot of France
> and Germany in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries. They began as additions to
> and notes on Rashi’s [often cryptic] commentary; they were subsequently
> expanded and became a profound and independent interpretation of the
> Gemara itself, indeed, in some cases one can view them as an extension of the
> Talmudic discussion.” page 52
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>
Well, then, does this mean that they are generally considered as a part of the
Talmud? And thank you for illuminating the subject. I will certainly look for this
book.–rb

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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:

>
> The above is interesting in light of the fact that even though the food
> situation in Mu”nster (which was cut-off by the Allied [i.e. U.S.]
> advance) appeared not to be critical and people weren’t starving to death,
> supplies were freely distributed from military stores. Yet at
> Bergen-Belsen, as we have seen, desperately needed rations were denied by
> Kramer to the thousands of prisoners ostensibly held in “protective
> custody” there. Prisoners who were starving, or had already starved, to
> death even though the nearby Panzergrenadier School held enough stores to
> help allieviate their condition (cf. Reitlinger, _SS: alibi of a nation_,
> p.425.)
>
> And what was Kremer’s excuse? That he had no authority to requistion
> supoplies from the Panzergrenadier School and thereofre didn’t even bother
> to _ask_ if food could be spared to feed the starving proisoners! But then
> Kramer _also_ had said in regard to his starving charges: “let them die,
> why should you care?”
>
> Mark

Well, I hate to jump in like this but…..there certainly was a serious food shortage through-
out Germany. Supplies had to be transported many miles to different locations. people in
prisons are usually unaccustomed to receiving gourmet faire. Fact is, anyone familiar with
the chain of command in the German Armed Forces will know that it was impossible for
Kramer to requisistion more food than he was alloted for, as food also needed to be sent
to other cities. For a detailed explanation of this mess, look for my repost of the kramer trial.
Hope it answers your questions, Doc.–rb

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> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected]
> (Tutu101)16 Dec 1996 13:08:11 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>Why must you always play the fool. I dare say my grasp of the German
> :>language is far better than yours–who understands zilch…and don’t worry
> :>about the ellipses-they weren’t significant. Oh? You prefer to judge for
> :>yourself? well, buy the book then. Maybe you will learn something. The
> :>text clearly shows, whether in german or English or esperanto-that it was
> :>the French who were guilty of first utilizing gas during the first world
> :>war. you lose again. but what else is new?
>
>
> Schoen, dass Ihr Deutsch so beeindrueckend ist!

It is as good as yours is, I can assure you.
>
> So koennen wir die Diskussionen auf Deutsch
> weiterfuehren und dadurch die Stolpersteine
> beseitigen, die durch falsche Uebersetzungen
> enstehen koennen.

Yes, well, let’s discuss translations. Shall we start with Posen?
>
> Wie aergerlich und irrefuehrend solche
> Hindernisse sein koennen, haben die
> ,,Diskussionen” zum Thema ,,Ausrottung
> des juedischen Volkes” deutlich gemacht.

Yes, and undoubtedly shall remain so. You are aware of my position
on this.
>
> Ich freue mich auf viele hilfreiche
> und informierte Diskussionen.

Und ich freue mich auch—-weiterfuehren!

From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:47 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Blackmore embraces his lies and libels in the same putrid breath …. Re: Questions [email protected] ([email protected]) refuses to answer…Gandhi is an imbecile.Full HARDCORE pleasure!
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – Chuck Ferree Tue, 17 Dec
> 1996 13:39:11 +0000 writes:
> :>
> :>Chuck Ferree writes:
> :>
> :>Hey, Gord, a reliable source, who must remain unnamed at the moment,
> :>whispered to me that, blackmore had been busted for child molestation,
> :>
> :>His own family too. Could just be a rumor, but believable. His own
> :>teenie-bopper niece. That’s “hitting” pretty close to home. Course
> :>could just be a rumor. My CIA pal, is a real spook, but then aren’t
> :>they all.
>
> My heavens, Chuck, I hope your source is wrong. Why, if it’s true, Blackmore,
> or Belling, or Tutu, or whatever the hell he is calling himself lately will
> end up in the slammer as Big Bubba’s special midnight snack and we won’t have
> the sucker to boot around any more in alt.revisionism.
>
> BTW, where the hell is Baron?
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Where you and gay Feree ought to be……

From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:48 PST 1996
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> [email protected] writes:
> On Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:55:57 -0600, Doc Tavish
> <"[email protected]"@phoenix.net> wrote:
>
> >Oh errant one, how do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that many of
> >those pictures that Nizkor has could not have been taken by the
> >Communists (Jewish ones at that) of their Holocaust on gentiles during
> >their blood thirsty campaigns against many millions more gentiles.
>
> well, it sounds like the true nazi bigot has come out from under the
> rock. wonder what he thinks about the camps liberated by the
> allies…is EVERYBODY a communist? mebbe he’s incestuously related to
> joe mccarthy
>
>>>>
It is a fact that many films and photos from the period originated in the Soviet Union.
This doesn’t make Doc tavish a Nazi anymore than it makes you a Communist sympathizer.

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:

>
> [end quote]
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Yawn. It’s getting old, Gord. It really is.–rb

From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:49 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 17 Dec 1996 09:38:16 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> >If I regarded the recording as authentic, I would have said so
> >by now. I merely comment that the remarks are really insignificant
> >and do not lend support to your claims that Jews were being gassed.
>
> Actually, it is your remarks that are increasingly insignificant and do not
> lend support to your claims you are not a lowlife, scumbag, nazi apologist.
>
> OTOH, your remarks do lend support to my assertion that you are merely an
> anti-semitic bigot hiding as a holocaust denier.
>
>>>>
Go on deluding yourself.

From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:50 PST 1996
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> Chuck Ferree writes:
> Chuck Ferree writes for “up front” the lying, drunk, person who denies
> the Holocaust, and finds things like this post to prove his point.
> Which of course does no such thing.
>
> Wonder how many different names giwer uses and why he chooses to write
> under so many aliases. Egad, the poor soul must spend lots of booze
> money on various on-line services. Well, we all know from whence it
> cometh.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> Up front wrote:
> >
> > On 13 Dec 1996 06:33:55 GMT, [email protected] (Richard
> > Schultz) wrote:
> >
> > >Prince Myshkin ([email protected]) wrote:
> >
> >
> > Subject: Caveman tells a story
> > Message-ID: <[email protected] > > X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
> > Date: Mon, 30 Sep 96 15:11:51 +0000
> >
>
> And the really strange thing is that he probably believes this will
> change minds or maybe influence “lurkers” who are much brighter than
> the old sot thinks.
>
>>>>
Chuck, go back to your wine glass. Maybe you will come up with something
original.

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Subject: Re: Blackmore–the *real* Blackmore
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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gord
> McFee) wrote:
>
> > In message
> > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi)Wed, 18 Dec 1996 14:00:06 -0800
> > writes:
> > :>
> > :>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> > :>(Tutu101) wrote:
> > :>
> > :>> Your typical exaggerating again. I notice you omitted my email reply to
> > :>> you on this matter. How convenient. Think what you like. You are wrong
> > :>> as usual. You remind me of the wolf in Aesop’s fable of the wolf and the
> > :>> lamb,
> > :>
> > :>Are you admitting (again) that you are in fact the Troll-Joseph Bellinger ?
> > :>
> > :>[posted/emailed]
> >
> > He must be, because the e-mail sent to me, to which he is alluding, was sent
> > by rblackmore!
>
> Then if this is indeed the case, recent statements that troll-Joseph
> Bellinger has made under the guise of tutu101 have revealed him to be,
> without a doubt, an anti-semite and a nazi apologist (not that there was
> much doubt in the first place.)
>
> ——————-
> Peace will not come out of a clash of arms but out of justice lived and
> done by unarmed nations in the face of odds. (Gandhiji)
>
>>>>
Only in your sad and tortured mind, Raj…..

From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:51 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> Doc Tavish <"[email protected]"@phoenix.net> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Mike do you now have a pair of tin snips personalized for tutu too?
>
> “Too” implies also. However, tutu101 and rblackmore and jbelling
> are one and the same. I do not think I own a pair of tin snips.
>
> >Don’t mess with our tutu (Rockin’ Sidney). Nizkook still under
> >construction?
>
> Always adding documentation.
>
> > I’d bet you are having to upgrade your storage devices to
> >keep track of all of us wascally ol’ nazis. 🙂
>
> Actually there is a lot more important stuff going on than just
> keeping track of ignorant folks who consider the Nazis to be the
> boon of mankind. To record _you_ takes a entry on a keyboard. Heck,
> they are even archiving me!
>
> You do not see me complaining.
>
>
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
Ah, but they are archiving you as one of the “good guys”.

From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:52 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 21 Dec 1996 09:33:41 GMT
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> Chuck Ferree writes:
> Chuck writes for blackmore:
>
> Hey turkey, how come you have the huevoes to ask about someone having
> to prove anything? You are the expert what says the total number of
> deaths at Auschwitz was listed in “the death book” as 70,000. You told
> us you would prove this figure, but have never done so. Now who is the
> liar, bluffer, and guy with no proof? You gotta big mouth for such a
> stupid shit. Further more, pal…you ain’t seen nothing yet.
>
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > [email protected] writes:
> >
> > >No need for all this debate,. The figure of 4 million was given, but Polish
> > >sources strictly broke down the figures of the alleged dead–and the Jews
> > >won by a long shot.
> >
> > You’ve posted this again and again, Joe, but somehow you’ve never
> > been able to back it up. Why is that?
>
>>>>
Chuckles—the figure of 70,000 is already proven. They have the death book registers, silly
man. Now, let us see you post the facts that over a million or more people were killed
at Auschwitz. My work is done. Yours is beginning. Your mission, should you choose
to accept it–is provide proof of your irrational claims.–rb

From [email protected] Sun Dec 22 10:06:53 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] (Mike
> Curtis) writes:
> :>
> :>[email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:
> :>
> :>Yup, I’m not surprised what I’m seeing coming from the keyboard of
> :>rblackmore. Plus he splashes stuff on the identity list. I am
> :>disappointed in the cipher though.
>
> And yet whines that he would be the paragon of civilized debate if only his
> evil opponents would permit it. I’ll bet he never thought his little
> love-letter to Winston and the boys would see the light of day, did he?

Oh, now it’s a “love letter”. Soon we’ll be exchanging vows of marriage in
Hawaii, as your brain continues to disintegrate.–rb
>
> Yes folks, below you have the wit and wisdom of
> Blackmore/Belling/Bellinger/tutu.

> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>Rather, in between the lines “tutu and Gord McFee” one can see
the wit of Mr. McFee.

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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 18 Dec 1996 11:36:48 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> >> On 17 Dec 1996 09:54:48 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> >> “Thomas Stedham” writes:
>
> >> >> My questions are simple: a) was/is there a plaque at Auschwitz? b) has it
> >> >> been changed to reflect a lower bodycount? c) if so, why?
>
> >> >There were 19 such slabs at Auschwitz all repeating the same lies
> >> >in different languages. Each and every slab has now been etched
> >> >out.–rb
>
> >> And not one of them said ‘Jews.’
> >>
> >> Amazing!
>
> >It didn’t have to say “Jews”. That was clearly implicit. Stop playing dumb and dumber.-rb
>
> I leave the dumb and dumber to you, Mr. Bellinger.
>
> And, clearly, if you had any understanding of what you speak,
> you’d know it was _not_ implicit.
>
> But, what can we expect from lying, lowlife, scumbag nazi
> apologist who thinks a server message of ‘You have no permission
> to talk’ is the result of some conspiracy to shut him up.
>
> Or, who repeats a rasict jingle but who doesn’t really mean it
> because he didn’t write it?
>
> Mr. Bellinger, your credibility is in the same sewer as your
> honesty and integrity. Go wallow in it somemore.
>
>
>>>>
Ken, I could never wallow in a sewer deeper than the one you crawled out
of.

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>

>
> Mr. Bellinger, your credibility is in the same sewer as your
> honesty and integrity. Go wallow in it somemore.
>
>
>>>>
Ken, I could never wallow in a sewer deeper than the one you crawled out
of.

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> [email protected] writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >No need for all this debate,. The figure of 4 million was given, but Polish
> >sources strictly broke down the figures of the alleged dead–and the Jews
> >won by a long shot.
>
> You’ve posted this again and again, Joe, but somehow you’ve never
> been able to back it up. Why is that?
>
>>>>
Read a few more posts. Of course you will now prove to us that
this 4 million were really Gentiles? I am waiting…go to it, if you dare….
Since you are so clever, give US the figures…what do you say? Are
you up for the challenge? Wouldn’t you like to dish out the crow pie
that Mark Van Alstine failed to deliver?–rb

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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:

[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:

Yes–these womwn were undoubtedly suffering from dysentery and had been
brought to the sauna or disinfection and treatment building.

Er, no. If Mr. Belling weren’t such a lying scumbag Nazi apologist, he
would have the honesty to acknowledge that these “Moslem” women, according
to Kremer, were murdered with poison gas in one of the bunkers. (cf.
Czech, _KL Auschwitz_, p.215fn.)

“…..lying scumbag Nazi apologist…..”–rb

Furthermore, Mr. Belling’s abject ignorance of the delousiung and
disinfestation installations at Auschwitz II-Birkenau manifests itself for
all to see. There were two Zyklon B disinfestation chambers (BW 5a and 5b)
in BI; there was a disenfestation installation in BIIe (the “Gypsy Camp”);
and there was the disenfestation autoclaves and ovens of BW 32 (the
“Sauna”). (Pressac, _Technique_, pp.53,63,65.)

Unfortunately for Mr. Belling _none_ of these disinfestation installations
_existed_ on September 5, 1942 -the date these “Moslem” women were
murdered in Birkenau! (cf. Ibid.)

You have no proof these women were murdered.

On the contrary! Kremer, an eyewitness, confirmed that these women were
murdered. His testimony was admitted in a court of law as evidence. That,
Mr. Belling, is legal “proof.”

No. he does not confirm this, Mark. At least NOT in his diary, which is more
important than his statements at the Polish inquisition and a later threat to
reimprison him in Germany. You cannot make that argument stick due to the
circumstances, otherwise, you may just as well begin admitting that Jewish
confessions to ritual murder were true.–rb

What seems logical is that some sort
of delousing and cleaning facility was set up on a temporary basis to treat
these unfortunates.–rb

Mr. Belling, your “logic” has proven in the past to be quite twisted.

Oh? By whom? When? Where? Not by you.–rb

Rather than offer unfounded speculation, perhaps you would care to offer
_evidence_ that points out exactly where any such facillities existed at
Birkenau circa September 1942?

No? Thought not.

If the installations were temporary, then there would be no proof, Mark.
Where is your evidence that there were gas chambers there? No “eyewitness
testimonies” or “confessions” allowed.–rb

They thought they were going to be killed, according to the pervasive
rumours throughout the camp.

Indeed. If Mr. Belling weren’t such a lying scumbag Nazi apologist, he
would have the honesty to acknowledge that Kremer stated:

“…I could deduce from the behavior of these women that they realized
what was awaiting them. They begged the SS men to be allowwed to live,
they wept, but all of them were driven into the gas chamber and
gassed….” (Czech, _KL Auschwitz_, p.215fn.)

This does NOT come from his diary, but from his Soviet-Polish Show trial, .
therefore, I reject this statement as you reject the statements of Jews who
confessed to committing ritual murder.–rb

Mr. Belling, when, exactly, did I “reject the statements of Jews who
> confessed to committing ritual murder?” And if I did (or did not) what
> where my stated reasons? Please cite any and all such posts made by me or
> retract your statement.

Then I ask you now for an opinion on the subject.-But first, let me guess–you
will say that the ritual murder allegations were terrible lies and calumnies and
that the Jews were all tortured and framed into giving false confessions. And
I will ask you for proof, and tell you that I believe there is enough evidence to
warrant the belief that the gas chamber allegations against the germans are
likewise calumnies.–rb

Irregardless, Mr. Belling, your “reasoning” is a text-book example of the
fallacy of “Guilt by Association.” Simply beacuse, for example, if it can
be show that the confessions of Jews to committimg ritual murder were
> false and/or coerced does _not_ mean that the testimony of Kremer, in
> regard to his diary, while on trial in Poland is likewise false and/or
> coerced.

Likewise, if the confessions of kremer were true, then it does not mean that
the Jewish confessions were coerced. Watch it! You are treading on egg shells.–rb
>
> Mr. Belling, if you are claiming, as you seem to be, that Kremer was
> tortured into giving a scripted testimony by the Poles (a serious
> accusation, btw) I would suggest you had better back up such allegations
> with facts. That is, of course, if you wish to be taken seriously.

And I would ask you to demonstrate with facts that all ritual murder testimonies
and confessions were ALL induced by the use of torture. I am saying that the
probability that torture was used on kremer by the Poles is VERY high. And, yes,
it IS a serious charge–as were the charges against him. The convergence of
evidence shows that the torture of German prisoners was routinely practiced
by all of the allies. Like it or not–your wishing it to have been otherwise will
not save you.–rb
>
> Of course, you will not- as you _cannot_ -do this, which simply evidences
> that you are nothing more than a lying scumbag Nazi apologist.
>
> And a poor one at that.

So you say.–rb
>
> > They were undoubtedly covered in excrement through no fault of their own,
> > therefore, Kremer uses the term “Anus Mundi”.
> >
> > Er, no. If Mr. Belling weren’t such a lying scumbag Nazi apologist, he
> > would have the honesty to acknowledge that Kremer stated:
> >
> > “…Being and anatomist I had seen many horrors, had to do with corpses,
> > but what I saw then was not to be compared with anything seen ever before.
> > It was under the influence of these impressions that I noted in my diary,
> > under the date of September 5, 1942: ‘The most horrible of all horrors.
> > _Hauptsturmfu”hrer_ Thilo – was right saying today to me that we were
> > located in the ‘_anus mundi_’. I had used this expression because I could
> > not imagine anything more sickening and more horrible.” (Ibid.)
> >
> > Yes….
>
> Er, “yes” _what_, Mr. Belling? Yes, Kremer was horrified at the murder of
> these women? Indeed so then.

No–he was horrified at their CONDITION—Auschwitz was known to be a breeding
ground for all sorts of microscopic infections which are not normally seen in our
environment, except possibly in AIDS patients. Diarrahea was a common symptom
of these unfortunates people. Who can imagine what other festering ailments they
were troubled with. This was the horror. It was unlike anything he had ever seen
before outside of the foul muck racked Auschwitz environment.–rb
>
> >I believe the reference refers to the ill and the dying and their
> > deplorable physical condition due to their illnesses.–rb
>
> No, Mr. Belling, you quite wrong in your _belief_. Taking into
> consideration Kremer’s testimony that expanded in this entry particular in
> his diary, it self-evident that he was horrified at the _murder_ of these
> women.

The testimony is a pack of lies invented to please his tormentors, as the Jews
lied about allegations of ritual murder.–rb
>
> > Also, I believe the exact quote should be:” They don;’t call Auschwitz
> > the camp of annihilation for nothing.” Typhus and dysentery consumes.
> > They are wasting diseases.
> >
> > Er, no. The passage from Kremer’s diary in _KL Auschwitz_ (p.214) reads as
> > follows:
> >
> >
> >
> > September 2, Was present for first time at special action [49] at
> > 1942. 3 a.m. In comparison with it Dante’s Inferno seems
> > to be almost a comedy.[50] Auschwitz is justly called
> > an extermination camp!
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, he did not write this in English. What is the original German?–rb
>
> Why don’t _you_ go find out, Mr. Belling? It is, after all, _you_ who are
> challenging this passgage! After all, do you not have many thousands of
> books in your “library?” Surely, such a “multi-lingual” “revisionist
> scholar” as yourself would have the Kremer’s diary in German, yes?

No–It is YOU who is quoting an English translation of this passage as if it is
gospel truth. Where is the original German text?–I cannnot help it if you are
envious of my abilities to converse in other languages.–rb
>
> > Footnote 50 leaves no doubt that Kramer was refering to homicidal gassings
> > when calling Auschwitz an extermination camp and _not_, as the lying
> > scumbag Nazi apologist Mr. Belling fallaciously suggests, “typhus and
> > dysentery.” To whit:

“Lying scumbag Nazi apologist” isn’t going to help you here, Mark. people expect
to hear MORE in the line of evidence from you and less in the line of insults. it is
getting old.-and all too predictable.–rb
> >
> > “50 Kremer was one of the defendants at the trial of the Auschwitz camp
> > garrison. The trial took place at the sittings of the Supreme National
> > Tribunal in Cracow in the time from November 24 till December 22, 1947.

Yes, the “Supreme National Tribunal of Poland”….wasn’t this the same sort
of Tribunal which over and over again convicted the Jews of committing horrifying
ritual murders?–rb

> > During the interrogatory Kremer had been repeatedly questioned.

Yes, I’ll bet he was. I wonder how he was beaten, threatened, and tortured as well.–rb
It was
> > then that he proffered detailed information on the subject of the meaning
> > of some of the entries in his diary. Excerpts from his explinations are
> > quoted in this publication under the respective dates. In the official
> > record of the interrogatory of August 18, 1947, Cracow, Kramer stated as
> > fallows: ‘On September 2, 1942 at 3 a.m. I was already assigned to take
> > part in the action of gassing people. These mass murders took place in
> > small cottages situated outside the Birkenau camp in a wood. These
> > cottages were called ‘bunkers’ (_Bunker) in the SS men’s slang. All SS
> > surgeons, on duty in the camp, took turns to participate in the gassings,
> > which were called ‘_Sonderaktion_’ (special action – Editor’s note). My
> > part as surgeon at the gassing consisted in remaining in readiness near
> > the bunker. I was brought there in a car. I sat in front with the driver
> > and an SS hospital orderly (SDG) sat in the back of the car with an oxygen
> > apparatus to revive SS men employed at gassing, in case any of them should
> > succumb to the poisonous fumes.

Oh? How is this, seeing they were all required to wear gas masks? (See the testimony
of SS Chief of Disinfection Artur Breitweiser, who was NEVER convicted of any crimes.)-
This order to wear gas masks with special filters began from the first days of administration
of Zyklon B in the camp as a disinfestation method.–rb

When the transport with people, who were
> > destined for gassing, arrived at the railway ramp, the SS officers
> > selected from among the persons fit to work and the rest – old people, all
> > children, women with children in arms and other persons not deemed fit to
> > work – were loaded upon lorries and driven to the gas-chambers. I used to
> > follow behind the transport till we reached the bunker. These people were
> > first driven to barracks where the victims undressed and then went nked to
> > the gas-chambers. Very often no incidents occurred, as the SS men kept
> > people quiet, maintaining that they were to bathe and be deloused. After
> > driving all of them into the gas-chamber the door was closed and an SS man
> > in a gas-mask threw the contents of a Cyclon tin through the opening in
> > the side wall. SHouting and screaming of the victims could be heard
> > through that opening and it was clear that they fought for their loves
> > (_Lebebskampf). These shouts were heard for a very short time. I should
> > say for some minutes but I am unable to give the exact span of time.”
> > (Ibid. p.214fn)
> >
The old “party line”. Too bad there are obvious inconsistencies in it.–rb
> >
> > This testimony is not believeable.
>
>
> > First of all, the Zyklon was supposedly thrown in through the
> > top of the roof–not through the side wall.
>
> Incorrect. Kremer was descibing one of the _bunkers_ at Birkenau. These
> homicidal gassing bunkers where converted farm cottages and had gas-tight
> ports in their outside walls by which the Zyklon B was thrown in. (cf.
> Pressac, _Technique_, pp.171-182.)
>
>
> > Second, compare with this testimony:
>
> [Mr. Belling’s obviously relished claim of Jewish Ritual Murder snipped]
>
> And yout point was, Mr. Belling? What does a supposed account of a ritual
> murder of a priest by Jews have to do with Kremer’s diary and testimony in
> Poland?

You figure it out if you are so clever.–rb
>
> Why nothing, of course! You have simply presented yet again another smelly
> dead fish for our inspection. Obviously, as you alluded to this above, you
> are trying to “prove” that because claims of Jewish Ritual Murder are
> false that Kremer’s testimony about his diary is false. Unfortunately for
> you, Mr. Belling, that dog don’t hunt.

Unfortunately for you–it does–and will be shoved in your face at every opportunity
to discredit your habit of always using accusation to convict people instead of
evidence.–rb
>
> Once again, Mr. Belling, such “reasoning” is a text-book example of the
> fallacy of “Guilt by Association.” Simply beacuse, for example, if it can
> be show that the confessions of Jews to committimg ritual murder were
> false and/or coerced does _not_ mean that the testimony of Kremer, in
> regard to his diary, while on trial in Poland is likewise false and/or
> coerced.

Sorry. I disagree, and I maintain that such confessions were coerced and
obtained by torture. if you insist that all jewish testimonials to ritual murder
were coerced, I will ask you to prove it. Otherwise, we must believe the courts
which sentenced them.–rb
>
> Once, again, Mr. Belling, if you are claiming, as you seem to be, that
> Kremer was tortured into giving a scripted testimony by the Poles (a
> serious accusation, btw) I would suggest you had better back up such
> allegations with facts. That is, of course, if you wish to be taken
> seriously.

I refer you to my previous comments. There is enough convergence of evidence to
suggest that Germans were indeed tortured to obtain such confessions.–rb
>
> Of course, Mr. Belling, you will not- as you _cannot_ -do this, which
> simply evidences that you are nothing more than a lying scumbag Nazi
> apologist.
>
> And a poor one at that. But I repeat myself.

With no success, as before.–rb

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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:

. She beat them, and when she came on
> to Belsen can you doubt that she carried on in precisely the same way?
>
> Mike Curtis
>
> Nizkor (USA) – An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
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>
>>>>
I dare say that the people who were struck by her, probably deserved it, as many were
thieves stealing the food right out of the mouths of hungry inmates. Appell was prolonged
not by her, but by the malingerers who refused to be properly counted. Finally, since when
does a few beatings from a slight woman with a cellophane whip constitute grounds for the
imposition of the death penalty? Why, only in occupied germany, of course. BTW, as to Belsen,
Grese stayed away from the prisoners as she had a horror of them, as I clearly showed in my
post. She carried a revolver for a short time to defend herself. Why don;t you advise a
prison guard in your own country to set aside his or her firearm in a maximum security prison–
you will be laughed out the door. You are clearly on the losing end with this one.–rb

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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> (william c anderson) wrote:
>
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > : Reread my Soviet Def Comedy Jam Posts for many more instances
> > : of obviously fabricated Soviet testimony. I can post additional material
> > : if you wish.–rb
> >
> > Uh-huh. Given the fact that you, a nazi shill and associate of Harold
> > Covington of the National Socialist White People’s Party, came into this
> > group claiming to be an Honest Seeker of Truth, can you suggest any
> > reason, Mr. Belling, why anybody here should believe anything you say?

Well, how about the truth, which is something you don’t understand very
well, as you say that I am a nazi shill and associate of a man I have never
met or conversed with in my life. But, no matter to old Mark…if he can just
throw enough mud……just a little more mud…….just a few more insults…..
perhaps people will forget how little he has to offer on alt revisionism…..rb

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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:

> I can suggest several reasons why Mr. Belling _shouldn’t_ be believed:
>

Mark

I can suggest ONE reason why Mark Van Alstine shouldn’t be believed–
his comments are an insult to one’s intelligence.–rb

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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:

>
>
> For those interested in proof of Mr. Smith’s (aka “Kurt Stele”) rabid
> anti-Semitism, pathological Nazi apologia, and that he possses an IQ of a
> fence post (not to mention a sewer mouth) please visit:
>
>
Sewer mouth??? Look who’s talking!!! Gentle readers–refer to Mark’s
posts and read for yourselves how genteel he is.

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> Doc Tavish writes:
> Michael P. Stein wrote:

>
> > Until the Temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt, that’s not a law we need to
> > worry about.
> >
> > Posted/emailed.
> > —
> > Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
> > POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
> > Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.
>
>>>>
If, as you say, Judaism does not discriminate in its acceptance of converts,
is there a difference in policy between America and Israel? i ask this because
I read in the publication “Jewish Currents” that all converts entering Israel are
required to have their passports stamped with the equivalent of a large “C”
for convert.

Also, what of this incident, again reported in the Jewish Currents, of a woman
>from eastern europe who emigrated to Israel, died there and was buried in a
Jewish cemetary. When the rabbis learned that the woman’s mother was not
Jewish (The father was), they invaded the cemetary, dug up the dead woman’s
coffin, and threw it into the street, much to the horror of the poor woman’s
daughter. Does this sound tolerant to you?–rb

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:

> [end quote]
>
>
>
> —
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>
>>>>
Yes, I have already discussed it in email with you and by post.
Now, let’s get back to the issues.–rb

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:

snip
>
> [end quote]
>
> I hope people notice where that message was sent–the Nazi bastards that
> “Blackmore” claims he isn’t one of.

Grow up, Gordon. This is humor. I once heard a group of Jewish students singing
a bawdy song about the mother of Christ, as well as recounting what Christians would
consider to be a blashphemous joke. Don’t play games. Let’s get down to the real
issues at hand. I don’t carry any excess baggage, and a number of personal friends of
mine are of jewish heritage, so cut the crap.–rb