Blackmore 1196 part 3, Bellinger Joseph

Mike Curtis writes:
> [email protected]
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> >
> > [email protected] wrote:

> >> Well, for a start, some three million “Aryan” German civilians weren’t
> >> deported to Nazi extermination camps and murdered with poison gas.
> >
> >Afraid you have your facts jumbled, old chap. The fact is that millions of
> >German civilians WERE forcibly expelled from their homes, robbed of their
> >money and property, murdered by the hundreds of thousands in concentration
> >camps to which they were sent AFTER the war ended.
>
> No, his facts are not wrong. These people were not deported to be
> murdered with poison gas. The politics of the time and the
> governments seeking retribution (Poland and Czechoslovakia with the
> aid of the Soviets) dealt unfairly and reprehensively with the other
> victorious powers when it came to claiming borders and land. They also
> tended to want German groups OUT of their nations. Not all of this was
> fair or reasoned. History is rarely logical. There have been a couple
> of interesting books on this subject that puts the whole thing in its
> political perspective. But this isn’t what Blackmore wants.

Yes. I will suggest one. “An Eye for an Eye” bu Jewish author John
Sack, who details the murder of more than 3 million German civilians
after the end of the war by Jewish mass murderers, many of whom are
still wanted for their crimes and are hiding out in Israel today.

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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:06:11 GMT, [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal OBE)
> wrote:
>
> >On 19 Nov 1996 23:08:55 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> Indeed, the allies had used and initiated the use of gas during the first world war.
>
> >Is that so? Mr. Blackmore will surely be willing to post proof
> >positive about this. I believe that he cannot do this.
>
> Joseph Bellinger has been unable to back up any of his/hers/its assertions.
> Stating that the allies initiated gas warfare in WWI is an example of why he
> cannot. However, it is most interesting watching him go down the ‘Giwer
> path’ of unsupportable assertions.

As usual, you lie. The use of gas was begun by the French.

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> [email protected] (Harry W. Mazal OBE) writes:
> On 22 Nov 1996 22:19:29 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >> >Are you asking me or telling me? What I am trying to do is see if
> >> >any of you have the same concern over what happened to the
> >> >Germans as compared with what happened to the Jews. Simple
> >> >enough?
>
> [text deleted to the relief of cogent readers]
> >
> >Apparently not, as many Jews survived the war.
>
> Oh really? Well then, many Germans survived Dresden too. This
> is proof that the bombing did not take place? Utter balderdash.

Indeed many Germans did survive, no thanks to the allies. And the
Jews survived as well. In fact, they seem to be doing quite nicely
these days, especially in their repressive measures against the
Palestinians.
>
> Mr. Curtis’ remarks are deletd in order that he too can have the
> dubious pleasure of responding.

The pleasure is all mine, I can assure you.
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> SS-Doctor Kremer about his days at Auschwitz:
> [Quoted in ‘The Good Old Days’ – E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
> Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 258].
> ——————————————————————-
> I remember I once took part in the gassing of one of these groups
> of women [from the women’s camp in Auschwitz]. I cannot say how
> big the group was. when I got close to the bunker I saw them
> sitting on the ground. They were still clothed. As they were
> wearing worn-out camp clothing they were not left in the undressing
> hut but made to undress in the open air. I concluded from the
> behavior of these women that they had no doubt what fate awaited
> them, as they begged and sobbed to the SS men to spare them their
> lives. However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed.
> As an anatomist I have seen a lot of terrible things: I had had
> a lot of experience with dead bodies, and yet what I saw that
> day was like nothing I had ever seen before. Still completely
> shocked by what I had seen I wrote on my diary on 5 September
> 1942: “The most dreadful of horrors. Hauptscharfuehrer Thilo was
> right when he said to me today that this is the ‘anus mundi’, the
> anal orifice of the world”. I used this image because I could not
> imagine anything more disgusting and horrific.

I kissed the devils ass.-Accused witch at Salem Trials.

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] (Harry
> W. Mazal OBE)Sat, 23 Nov 1996 23:54:34 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>On 22 Nov 1996 22:19:29 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
> :>
> :>>> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> :>>> [email protected] wrote:
> :>>>
> :>>> >Are you asking me or telling me? What I am trying to do is see if
> :>>> >any of you have the same concern over what happened to the
> :>>> >Germans as compared with what happened to the Jews. Simple
> :>>> >enough?
> :>
> :>[text deleted to the relief of cogent readers]
> :>>
> :>>Apparently not, as many Jews survived the war.
> :>
> :>Oh really? Well then, many Germans survived Dresden too. This
> :>is proof that the bombing did not take place? Utter balderdash.
> :>
> :>Mr. Curtis’ remarks are deletd in order that he too can have the
> :>dubious pleasure of responding.
>
> I have noticed that in each passing incarnation, Mr. Blackmore adopts more and
> more the denier mantle and ceases his pretence at really wanting to get at the
> truth.

What is your excuse?-rb

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> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Why is anyone interested in where these books are kept?
> >A little book-burning party, perhaps?
>
> I am interested only because they would appear to require more storage
> space than the average house provides. But perhaps Mr. Blackmore occupies
> a mansion. His claim of owning 45-60,000 volumes seemed rather
> farfetched otherwise.

> Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
> POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
> Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.

For your info, there are such places as storage units.

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> [email protected] (Richard J. Green) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Michael P. Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>Why is anyone interested in where these books are kept?
> >>A little book-burning party, perhaps?
> >
> > I am interested only because they would appear to require more storage
> >space than the average house provides. But perhaps Mr. Blackmore occupies
> >a mansion. His claim of owning 45-60,000 volumes seemed rather
> >farfetched otherwise.
>
> Not farfetched at all. In fact I own between 40 and 50 million books.
> Perhaps, a bit closer to the former than the latter :-).
>
> Regards,
>
> Rich Green
> ——————————————————————
> Richard J. Green Dept. of Chemistry
> [email protected] Stanford University
> http://www-leland.Stanford.EDU/~redcloud Stanford, CA 94305-5080
> “Remember the days of yore,
> “Learn the lessons of the generation that came before you.”
> -Deuteronomy 32:7

I wouldn’t care how many books you owned. Fact is, I own
approximately 65,000 books. Would you care to buy any?

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] (Richard
> J. Green)23 Nov 1996 23:27:15 -0800 writes:
> :>
> :>In article <[email protected]>,
> :>Michael P. Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
> :>>In article <[email protected]>,
> :>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> :>>>Why is anyone interested in where these books are kept?
> :>>>A little book-burning party, perhaps?
> :>>
> :>> I am interested only because they would appear to require more storage
> :>>space than the average house provides. But perhaps Mr. Blackmore occupies
> :>>a mansion. His claim of owning 45-60,000 volumes seemed rather
> :>>farfetched otherwise.
> :>
> :>Not farfetched at all. In fact I own between 40 and 50 million books.
> :>Perhaps, a bit closer to the former than the latter :-).
>
> ROTFL.
>
> The difference between you and Blackmore is that you have *read* yours.

> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time

And what’s your excuse?

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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> In <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> wrote:
>
> >Why is anyone interested in where these books are kept?
> >A little book-burning party, perhaps?
>
> Actually, we are terribly curious about his claim that he has more
> books in his personal possession than some branch libraries in major
> urban centres. Aren’t you the least bit curious about where the man
> could possibly store 145,000 volumes? I know I am.

> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://nizkor.org/

I won approximately 65,000 books, which I am prepared to sell
even to the likes of you Nizkor devotees, if any of you ever bother
to read.

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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (John Morris) wrote:
>
> > In <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Derek Bell)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >[email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> > >>Actually, we are terribly curious about his claim that he has more
> > >>books in his personal possession than some branch libraries in major
> > >>urban centres. Aren’t you the least bit curious about where the man
> > >>could possibly store 145,000 volumes? I know I am.
>
> Oddly enough, the law library at the local university, a two storey
> complex, hols just about 150,000 books. This serves a law school with 325
> students, not to mention 30 faculty members, ancillary staff, and the legal
> community in this city (upwards of 800 lawyers.) With that in mind, the
> lying-troll-bellinger would necessarily have to rent space in a warehouse
> to store his alleged collection of books.
——————-
> Peace will not come out of a clash of arms but out of justice lived and
> done by unarmed nations in the face of odds. (Gandhiji)

Yes, what of it, Raj? I sell books.

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> [email protected] (Brian Harmon) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I wonder why Mr. Keren wasted our time with comments
> >from a man who admitted that he had only been present
> >at two mass executions?
>
> What logic is this?
>
> Are you seriously arguing that because this man
> did not see every mass execution, he must then be
> making the whole thing up?
>
> Or perhaps you think one witness should prove every
> event of the Holocaust?
>
> weird.
>
> Brian Harmon <[email protected]>
> ——
What I am saying is that one execution, if true, does NOT
prove your case. Simple enough?

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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Derek Bell)
> wrote:
>
> >[email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> >>Actually, we are terribly curious about his claim that he has more
> >>books in his personal possession than some branch libraries in major
> >>urban centres. Aren’t you the least bit curious about where the man
> >>could possibly store 145,000 volumes? I know I am.
>
> > I find rblackmore’s claim difficult to believe, even though my room
> >looks like a library – I’d estimate that I’ve *at most* a couple of thousand
> >books and that’s in a room in a normal-sized house in Dublin.
>
> Same here.
>
> Bellinger claims that we exaggerated his claim about the size of his
> personal library (hee!) and says that it is really around 45,000 books
> or some such twaddle.
>
> At that rate, I would need twenty rooms the size of my study to hold
> that many books.
>
> I have a friend who had about 10,000 books crammed into a large loft
> in New York City. He had them arranged in stacks just like a library,
> and he filled his place.
>
> You have to wonder.

> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://nizkor.org/

Then wonder about storage facilities, John. Fact is, I haven’t had
time to catalog them completely, but they are there and ready for sail,
or is that sale?

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> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Rajiv K. Gandhi <[email protected]> wrote:
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >[email protected] (John Morris) wrote:
> >
> >> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Derek Bell)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >[email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> >> >>Actually, we are terribly curious about his claim that he has more
> >> >>books in his personal possession than some branch libraries in major
> >> >>urban centres. Aren’t you the least bit curious about where the man
> >> >>could possibly store 145,000 volumes? I know I am.
> >
> >Oddly enough, the law library at the local university, a two storey
> >complex, hols just about 150,000 books. This serves a law school with 325
> >students, not to mention 30 faculty members, ancillary staff, and the legal
> >community in this city (upwards of 800 lawyers.) With that in mind, the
> >lying-troll-bellinger would necessarily have to rent space in a warehouse
> >to store his alleged collection of books.
>
> Except that Mr. Blackmore only claimed 45[,000]-60,000 volumes, not
> *1*45,000. So it would “only” require a one-story building.
>
> Posted/emailed.

> Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
> POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
> Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.

Actually, it is from 40-65,000 books. I haven’t finished cataloging them.

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[email protected] (Nizkor’s handler) writes:
On 21 Nov 1996 17:21:21 -0500, [email protected] (Charles R.L.
Power) wrote:

In <[email protected]>, Jane Belling, posting as
[email protected], wrote:

It is fascinating that people who are no more than handles are
falsifying posted messages, making allegations from behind those
handles, and are still expecting there to be a credible audit trail.
=====
http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html (Page doesn`t exist)
The Dark Web Pages of Zionism
> http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html (Page doesn`t exist)
Zundelsite
> http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ (Page doesn`t exist) to the light
> http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ (Page doesn`t exist) Student Revisionist Resource Site
> http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ (Page doesn`t exist) Revisionist Productions
> http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html (Page doesn`t exist) Reflections upon the Holocaust
> http://flashback.se/~rislam/ (Page doesn`t exist) Radio Islam
> http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html (Page doesn`t exist) The Leuchter Report
> http://www.hoffman-info.com/ (Page doesn`t exist) The Hoffman Report
> http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ (Page doesn`t exist) Greg Raven’s Website
> http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html (Page doesn`t exist) David Irving
> http://www.codoh.com/ (Page doesn`t exist) Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith)
> http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ (Page doesn`t exist) Be Wise as Serpents
> http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html (Page doesn`t exist) L’Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et
> d’Holocauste (also in English)
> http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ (Page doesn`t exist) Arthur R. Butz
> http://www.air-photo.com/ (Page doesn`t exist) Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
> http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html (Page doesn`t exist) Adelaide Institute

“We shall drive the Christians into war by exploiting their
national vanity and stupidity. They will then massacre each other,
thus giving room for our own people.”

(Rabbi Reichorn, in Le Contemporain, July 1st, 1880)

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[email protected] writes:
[email protected] (Gord McFee) wrote:

In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Nov 1996
02:12:23 GMT writ
[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
The Goebbels [Reich propaganda Minister] diaries, March 27, 1942:
[The Goebbels Diaries 1942-1943 – L.P. Lochner, Doubleday & Co., 1948,
p. 147-148]

Beginning with Lublin, the Jews in the General Government
[Nazi occupied Poland] are now being evacuated eastward. The procedure
is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely.
Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about
60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only 40 per cent
can be used for forced labor.

Again, noone should assign any credibility to this statement unless
and until we see the original german, translated by a German expert in
German. Otherwise, it’s just compost.

Thinking Man.

Whether these statements are accurate or not is hardly germane to
the so-called Holocaust, as Goebbels had no authority to issue orders
to either the SS or the Gestapo. This excerpt could even have been
an interpolation due to the curious circumstances under which the
diary was found. In any event, Goebbels was not a witness to any of
the events in question.

That is the stupidest thing I have heard even Blackmore say. Whether Goebbels
had authority to issue orders to the SS, Gestapo or the Boy Scouts has nothing
to do with his knowledge of the Holocaust. Given that his source for the
diary entry is Hitler, I expect he knew what he was talking about.

Gord McFee
I’ll write no line before its time

“We shall drive the Christians into war by exploiting their
national vanity and stupidity. They will then massacre each other,
thus giving room for our own people.”

(Rabbi Reichorn, in Le Contemporain, July 1st, 1880)

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[email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
In article <[email protected]>,
Chris Carpenter <[email protected]> wrote:
“The German revolution is the achievement of the Jews; the
Liberal Democratic parties have a great number of Jews as their
leaders, and the Jews play a predominant role in the high government
offices.”
(The Jewish Tribune, July 5, 1920)

Let me give you some more information about source citation. The
purpose is to enable someone to know exactly what publication you are
talking about. Looking at the Library of Congress catalog reveals that
there are a fair number of newspapers called “The Jewish Tribune.” What
you gave above is almost good enough, but you should really give a city
with that. Once you do, that becomes a valid and checkable citation –
> it’s precise enough to enable someone to find the paper if it exists, or
> discover that no such paper existed if it doesn’t.
>
> Posted/emailed.
> —
> Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
> POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
> Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.

“We shall drive the Christians into war by exploiting their
national vanity and stupidity. They will then massacre each other,
thus giving room for our own people.”

(Rabbi Reichorn, in Le Contemporain, July 1st, 1880)

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> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> > > Speech by Hitler, January 31, 1939
> > > [Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals –
> > > Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol XIII, p. 131]
> > > —————————————————————
> > > Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers
> > > in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into
> > > a world war, then the result will not be the bolshevization of the earth,
> > > and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in
> > > Europe!
>
> > In that case he was a very poor prophet, as the jews are still here and
> > apparently as numerous as ever.
>
> Why do you seem to have such a problem with that ? You’re upset because
> Hitler failed to exterminate the Jews, although he tried and succeeded in
> killing over 6 million of them ?
> ——————-
> Peace will not come out of a clash of arms but out of justice lived and
> done by unarmed nations in the face of odds. (Gandhiji)

Why are YOU upset-simply because not enough Jews were killed
to satisfy your morbid fantasy with the figure pf 6 million?

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> [email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Matt Giwer ([email protected]) wrote under the name R <[email protected]>:
> >On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 21:18:25 +0000, Chuck Ferree <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >>No orders were ever issued to kill the Jews? You really believe that?
> >
> > Professor Hilberg says there were no order issued. Do you disagree
> >with him? What do you know that he doesn’t? Certainly he would like
> >to include it in his writings if you can find that order for him.
>
> Eichmann, in his diaries, seems to think there was an order issued.
> What do you know that he doesn’t?
> —
> Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
> POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
> Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.

Why should we believe what eichmann had to say?

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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] (RBS) [Nazi coward afraid to post under
> his own name] writes:
>
> # [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>
> ## He did see SS-men pour the Zyklon into the gas chambers.
>
> # He did not say that.
>
> Yes he did.
>
> # Where did you get it?
>
> He said it in Zundel’s trial. This is mentioned in the post
> by Orest Slepokura, which I responded to. Can you read?

> -Danny Keren.
>
> PS – Are you Matt Giwer? If so, why did you write to my
> ISP and ask that he close my account? Why did you
> threaten him that if he doesn’t, he will be mail-bombed?

Oh. Filip Mueller? I have a letter written personally by him.

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> [email protected] (Ulrich Roessler) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:

> : I will refer Mr. Roessler to the book by Isaac Kowalski. he disagrees.
>
> Has the book also some title? No? And about what does Kowalski disagree?
>
> u.roessler [email protected]

You may wish to research my posts on this subject in Deja News.
The book is entitled “A Secret Press in Nazi Occupied Europe”, and
this Jewish author was a member of the massive Jewish partisan
organization which fought against Germany in many countries throughout
the war. His book deals mainly with some of the activities of these units
in Poland and Russia. If you read my posts, you will see a different
picture than is usually described concerning this episode of history.

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> Chuck Ferree <[email protected]> writes:
> Chuck Ferree wrote:
>
> Well, maybe some felt that way and some tried it, (can one blame them)
> but it didn’t happen. Some Liberators felt a little like that also,
> after touring several Nazi Death Camps, it wouldn’t be too hard to
> kill SS troops. But the victims did not follow through although some
> may wished they had.
>
> Chuck
>
> This doesn’t in anyway diminish the Nazi perpetrated Holocaust BTW
>
> Chuck

> Chris Carpenter wrote:
> >
> > “Kill the Germans, wherever you find them! Every German is our
> > moral enemy. Have no mercy on women, children, or the aged! Kill
> > every German wipe them out!”
> >
> > (Llya Ehrenburg, Glaser, p. 111).
> >
> > More quotes archived at GOAL: http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/ (Page doesn`t exist)

What Chuck writes is untrue. Care to elaborate?

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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
>
> >tom moran ([email protected]) wrote:
> >: Mr.Ho’ss’ numbers of 3,000,000 are for up to Dec.1, 1943, when he
> >: left Auschwitz as it’s commandant. Another 400,000 (Hungarian Jews)
> >: are said to have been liquidated after that. The figure for
> >: Auschwitz-Birkenau ended up being 4,000,000. The figure now is said to
> >: have been is around 1,000,000.
> >:
> >: Where does this new figure come from?

> >For a thorough discussion of estimates and their sources,
> >start with
>
> >”Dimension des Voelkermords
> >Die Zahl der juedischen Opfer des Nationalsozialismus”
>
> >Herausgegeben von Wolfgang Benz
>
> >In the series: dtv wissenschaft
>
> Curiously, it looks like this may have been dated by the latest
> discoveries of British intelligence material, and the estimate
> of Jewish Holocaust losses may have to be revised up to seven
> million.

Revised by whom? This info has been available to historians
for years. Where have you been, Miss Flower?

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[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
“rblackmore” lies about Nazis allegedly “executing
camp commanders for killing Jews”.

Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
From: [email protected]
Date: 1996/10/21
Message-Id: <[email protected]>

# Hmmmm. Not at all, the SS themselves executed Goeth,
# Koch, and other camp commanders who abused the prisoners
# under their charge. Rascher was also executed by the SS.

Goeth was tried and executed by the Poles, after the war,
and not by the SS. “rblackmore” is lying through his teeth.

Koch, as far as I know, was executed mainly for stealing
state property. I’ll appreciate full and exact details
on his trial and execution by the SS.

Then research it, like you so often tell me to do.

As for “other camp commanders”, “rblackmore” doesn’t tell
us anything about them. Most probably, this cheap,
lying Nazi apologist invented this part.

Listen to chubby Danny, who fancies himself a
“Doctor”. How are those perverted photos on your
wall doing?

As for Rascher, he killed a great many people during his
ghastly “medical experiments”, but these were done with
the full support of the SS, including Himmler. Rascher,
as even “rblackmore” admitted, was executed for a totally
different reason – illegal adoption. Why does “rblackmore”
mention him, then? Because he’s a liar.

I have indeed mentioned him on other occasions. Dr. Keren was
too occupied with his pornographic photos to notice. The charge
against Rascher was kidnapping. The experiments Rascher conducted
were mainly on criminals condemned to death for capitall crimes. The
criminals usually volunteered for the experiments in exchange for a
commutation of sentence.

It was my understanding that Goeth was tried and
sentenced to death by an SS court, but the sentence
was not carried out, as the war ended. Goeth was later
rearrested and tried and executed by the Poles.
Are you saying this information was incorrect? In any case,
the info was supplied to me by a Jewish researcher. Are you saying
he lied to me? Of course Danny wants people to believe that because
a few concentration camp commanders were sadistic, then ALL of them were.
So it stands to reason by the same logic, that because a few Israelis murdered
their Palestinian captives by beating them to death with a bat, then all Israelis
are murderers. Is that right, Dan?

As to other Nazis who were tried and executed by the
Nazis, Keren denies it and he is a liar. Perhaps he would care
to inform people of the case of Erich Koch, former kommandant of
Buchenwald?

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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Chris
> Carpenter) wrote:
>
> > “Whenever an American or a Filipino fell at Bataan or Corregidor or
> > at any other of the now historic spots where MacArthur’s men put up
> > their remarkable fight, their survivors could have said with truth:
> > ‘The real reason that boy went to his death, was because Hitler’s
> > anti-semitic movement succeeded in Germany.’”
> >
> > (The American Hebrew, July 24, 1942). >
>
> “It is to attempt seeing Truth without knowing Falsehood. It is the
> attempt to see the Light without knowing Darkness. It cannot be. ”
>
> Frank Herbert, Dune
> ——————————————————————————–
> “Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties–but
> right through every human heart–and all human hearts.”
>
> — Alexander Solzhenitsyn, “The Gulag Archipelago”
> ——————————————————————————–
Curious how certain Jewish publications viewed America’s
participation in the war…..

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> Chuck Ferree <[email protected]> writes:
> God
>
> Where was God in Auschwitz?

> Never should I forget that nocturnal silence which deprived me, for
> all eternity, of the desire to live.
> Never shall I forget those moments which murdered my God and my soul
> and turned my dreams to
> dust.
>
> Wiesel

> The horror of Auschwitz is a stark challenge to many of the more
> conventional ideas of God. The
> remote God of the philosophers….becomes intolerable. Many Jews can
> no longer subscribe to the
> biblical idea of God who manifests himself in history, who, they say
> with Wiesel, died in
> Auschwitz. The idea of a personal God, like one of us writ large, is
> fraught with difficulty. If this
> God is omnipotent, he could have prevented the Holocaust. If he was
> unable to stop it, he is
> impotent and useless; if he could have stopped it and chose not to, he
> is a monster. Jews are not the
> only people who believe that the Holocaust put an end to conventional
> theology.
>
> Karen Armstrong, A History of God, (Ballantine Books, 1993)

God was indeed there at Auschwitz. That is why so many people
survived. However, God had the day off at Dresden.

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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> The testimony of former Auschwitz prisoner Fabian
> [Quoted in “Auschwitz: the Proceedings Against Mulka and Others” by
> Bernd Nauman, p. 292-3]:
> —————————————————————–
> The Pole Stachik rode into Block 28 on a bicycle and called out:
> “Stretcher bearers! Two stretchers! One box! Two boxes!”. If he said
> “one box”, we knew it would be a small execution: one family with
> child. If he said “stretcher”, then there was a big execution.
> Sometimes when we got there they had already been shot; but that
> only happened in small executions. When there were big executions
> we lined up in a corner of Block 11. Those who were selected were
> chased into the washroom and had to undress. The window was covered
> over with a blanket. In the yard under the window stood the staff
> of the SS. Everything went in double time. A certain Jakob took two
> prisoners by their arms and marched them over to the Black Wall.
> Then we had to come running with the stretcher and stand behind the
> SS men who were doing the firing. When the prisoners were shot –
> they were shot in the head with a fairly silent Flobert gun – they
> fell over. I grabbed their hands or legs and put them on the
> stretcher. Then we ran to the canal in Block 10 and the stretcher
> as tilted so the bodies could fall off. While this was going on
> the two next ones were already being shot.
>
> <end quote>

> -Danny Keren.

And why should we believe what Fabian has to say?

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> Walt Hingerty <[email protected]> writes:
> Im curious, has anyone else read this book? It purports to be the first
> person account of a unit of Waffen SS troopers who join the French
> Foreign Legion and end up at Dien Bien Phu. It reads pretty good. I
> liked it myself. The hero is a hard bitten type but his bravery is never
> in question. Is this a true story? Or is it a novel. I have a paperback
> and its not real clear. Thanks. walt

I also have this book and have read it. It purports to be true, but
I have been unable to establish it’s authenticity.

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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> Testimony of Richard Glazer
>
> And suddenly it started: the yelling and screaming. “All out,
> everybody out!” All those shouts, the uproar, the tumult! “Out!
> Get out! Leave the baggage!” We got out stepping on each other.
> We saw men waering blue armbands. Some carried whips. We saw some
> SS men, Green uniforms, black uniforms…
>
> We were in a mass, and the mass swept us along. It was
> irresistible. It had to move to another place. I saw the others
> undressing. And I heard: “Get undressed! Ypu’re to be
> disinfected!” As I waited, already naked, I noticed the SS men
> separating out some people. These were told to get dressed. A
> passing SS man suddenly stopped in front of me, looked me over,
> and said” “Yes, you too, quick, join the others, get dressed.
> You’re going to work here, and if you’re good, you can be a kapo
> – a squad leader.”
>
> Work Cited:
>
> Lanzmann, Claude. Shoah: The Complete Text of the Acclaimed
> Holocaust Film. New York: De Capo Press. 1995 p 36

I have news for you. The black SS uniform was completely discontinued
at the beginning of the war. Lanzmann has obviously seen too many
Hollywood movies.

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> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
> Ulrich Roessler ([email protected]) wrote:
> :
> : The author was one Peter Seraphim, who is indeed dead for many
> : years now.
> :
> : Biographical information about him can be found in G.Aly/S.Heim,
> : “Vordenker der Vernichtung”, Frankfurt a.M. (I forgot the year
> : of publication). Mr blackmore will find it among his many books.
>
> Peter-Heinz Seraphim.
>
> He is mentioned/discussed on pages:
>
> 93, 95-101, 220-222, 257, 263, 278-281,
> 290, 351, 356f, 360, 392, 486, 493 and 503
>
> of Goetz Aly and Susanne Heim’s book
> “Vordenker der Vernichtung
> Auschwitz und die deutschen Plaene fuer
> eine neue europaeische Ordnung”
>
> published in 1991 by
> Hoffmann und Campe Verlag, Hamburg.

> ISBN 3-455-08366-8
>
> I trust that information is precise enough
> for even the deniers.
>
> d.A.

Sure, but it doesn’t show why we should believe him.

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I will refer Mr. Roessler to the book by Isaac Kowalski. he disagrees.

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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:

[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Chris
Carpenter) wrote:

“We are not denying and we are not afraid to confess, this war
is our war and that it is waged for the liberation of Jewry..

Stronger than all fronts together is our front, that of Jewry. We are
not only giving this war our financial support on which the entire war
production is based. We are not only providing our full propaganda
power which is the moral energy that keeps this war going. The
guarantee of victory is predominantly based on weakening the enemy
forces, on destroying them in their own country, within the
resistance. And we are the Trojan Horses in the enemy’s fortress.
Thousands of Jews living in Europe constitute the principal factor i
the destruction of our enemy. There, our front is a fact and the most
valuable aid for victory.”

(Chaim Weizmann, President of the World Jewish Congress, in a Speech
on December 3, 1942, in New York City).

Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish
financiers inside and outside Europe should again succeed in plunging
the nations into a world war, the result will be…the annhilation of
the Jewish race throughout Europe.”

– Adolf Hitler in his speech to the Reichstag; January 30, 1939.

Mark

It looks as if Mr. Weizmann was the greater prophet……
>
> Too bad much of Eurpean Jewry was murdered by Hitler before they could see
> Mr. Weizmann’s “prophecy” come true, eh?

What murders are you referring to?

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> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Fragano
> Ledgister) wrote:

> > This leads me to the basic question about the blood libel:
> > What were Jews supposed to have eaten before there were any
> > Christian babies?

Goy babies?
>
> A little stuffed cabbage and some cool spring water.
>
> Just ask Mel Brooks.

Is he available for comment? Or is he still doing his “Hitler Rap”?

> “I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy.”
> Samuel Butler

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] (Fragano
> Ledgister) writes:
> :>
> :>Andrew Carol ([email protected]) wrote:
> :>: In article <[email protected]>, “scarface!”
> :>: <[email protected]> wrote:
> :>
> :>: > >Kurt Stele wrote:
> :>: > a bunch of bullshit!
> :>: >
> :>: > i know! every saturday we steal a christian baby from the nursery of our
> :>: > citie s largest hospital, boil it alive like a lobster and serve it with
> :>: > drawn butter! it s utterly delicious when doused with generous amounts
> :>: > of cajun hot sauce!
> :>
> :>: Oh you must send me the recipe!!!
> :>
> :>: Lately I’ve been partial to young White virgin. They are very tender
> :>: and are quite low in fat. (So important in todays world).
> :>
> :>: I also prefer my Christian baby blood to be fresh. I don’t trust the
> :>: supermarket stuff.

> :>This leads me to the basic question about the blood libel:
> :>What were Jews supposed to have eaten before there were any
> :>Christian babies?
>
> Babels? (baby bagels)

> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time

Get the butter out for that bagel, Gord.

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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >Let me ask you this-you admit that what Burg said is accurate?
> >But he’s only speaking for hhimself, right?
>
> Are you asking me or telling me?
>
> I don’t think that what Burg said was accurate. I don’t think he is a
> reliable source for you deniers, and I don’t like the way you compound
> his inaccuracies by misrepresenting what he said.

> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://nizkor.org/

Oh.

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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>
, but the
> shooting was not confined to Hungarians; it was simply terrible,
> hundreds were shot per day.
>
> <end quotes>

> -Danny Keren.

Of course you can prove all this and also tell us why we should
believe your witness.

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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >The usual distorted drivel from Danny. These photos at Belsen,
> >are supposed to prove that six million Jews were systematically
> >murdered by the nazis. They don’t.
>
> No shit. Of course they don’t. This is called knocking down a
> strawman.
>
> Belsen is where Anne Frank, healthy enough in hiding through most
> of the war, was taken shortly before its end, to quickly die of
> typhus. Exposing a healthy young woman to typhus was among the more
> humane ways the Nazis used to murder Jews. Moreover, it introduced
> a convenient deniability that morons like yourself, Jane, still fall
> for, or pretend to. Do you enjoy looking like a drooling idiot?

Looking LIKE or looking AT one, Miss Flower?

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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
>
snip the bullshit

How does it feel to be at the losing end of a debate?

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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
> wrote:
>
> >[email protected] writes:
> ># [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>
> >[Quote from a report written by a Nazi official about
> >mass murder of Jews in the Nazi-occupied Ukraine]
>
> ># And where may we find the alleged author of this
> ># report today?
>
> >I don’t know. He’s either dead, or very old. Heck, now
> >you can claim he never existed. Go ahead.
>
> >Has it ever occurred to you to check with the appropriate
> >German authorities where these people are?
>
> But, Danny, Bellinger doesn’t want to know the fate of these people.
> He is happy enough believing that if you can’t say, they never
> existed.
>
> Just checking my lecture notes, that would be _argumentum ad
> ignorantiam_.” The eighteen year olds under my beneficent guidance
> seem to understand the concept where Mr. Bellinger cannot.
>
> —
> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://nizkor.org/

Give me one week with your students and they’ll be begging
for your resignation.

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> [email protected] (Ulrich Roessler) writes:
> John Morris ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> : In <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
> : wrote:
>
> : >[email protected] writes:
> : ># [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>
> : >[Quote from a report written by a Nazi official about
> : >mass murder of Jews in the Nazi-occupied Ukraine]
>
> : ># And where may we find the alleged author of this
> : ># report today?
>
> : >I don’t know. He’s either dead, or very old. Heck, now
> : >you can claim he never existed. Go ahead.
>
> : >Has it ever occurred to you to check with the appropriate
> : >German authorities where these people are?
>
> : But, Danny, Bellinger doesn’t want to know the fate of these people.
> : He is happy enough believing that if you can’t say, they never
> : existed.
>
> The author was one Peter Seraphim, who is indeed dead for many
> years now.
>
> Biographical information about him can be found in G.Aly/S.Heim,
> “Vordenker der Vernichtung”, Frankfurt a.M. (I forgot the year
> of publication). Mr blackmore will find it among his many books.
>
> He will now begin with speculations about the suspicious fact
> that most witnesses are dead now.
>
> u.roessler [email protected]

What will you begin with? That they can be believed? Sancta Simplissimus!

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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> Testimony of Richard Glazer
>
> All I could think of then was my friend Carel Unger. He’s been at
> the rear of the train, in a section that had been uncoupled and
> left outside. I needed someone. Near me. With me. Then I saw him.
> He was in the second group. He’d been spared too. On the way,
> somehow, he had learned, he already knew. He looked at me. All he
> said was: “Richard, my father, mother, brother…” He had learned
> on the way there.

>
> LANZMANN: Your meeting with Carel – how long after your arrival
> did it happen?
>
> It was…around twenty minutes after we reached Treblinka. Then I
> left the barracks and had my first look at the vast space that I
> soon learned was called “the sorting place.” It was buried under
> mountains of objects of all kinds. Moutains of shoes, of clothes,
> thirty feet high. I thought about it and said to Carel: “It’s a
> hurricane, a raging sea. We’re shipwrecked. And we’re still
> alive. We must do nothing…but watch for every new wave, float
> on it, get ready for the next wave, and ride the wave at all
> costs. And nothing else.”
>
> Work Cited:

> Lanzmann, Claude. Shoah: The Complete Text of the Acclaimed
> Holocaust Film. New York: De Capo Press. 1995 pp. 39-40

Glazer-who was envisoning black uniforms when they were
out of service since 1939! Those shoes….those clothes….
sounds like a gigantic rummage sale to me…….

From [email protected] Sat Nov 30 11:30:03 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Nazi Mass Murder in the Ukraine
Date: 29 Nov 1996 09:25:42 GMT
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[email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
In article <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> wrote:
[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
[email protected] writes:
# [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:

[Quote from a report written by a Nazi official about
mass murder of Jews in the Nazi-occupied Ukraine]

# And where may we find the alleged author of this
# report today?

I don’t know. He’s either dead, or very old. Heck, now
you can claim he never existed. Go ahead.

> >> Has it ever occurred to you to check with the appropriate
> >> German authorities where these people are?

> >> -Danny Keren.

> >Has it ever occurred to you, since you try to use them as witnesses?
>
> What would the information allow you to conclude that you can’t
> conclude already? Please tell us the point.
>
> Perhaps you are trying to suggest that such reports may be forgeries,
> that you would like to find the author to ask if they are authentic?

They could be, but I am not suggesting that. What I am suggesting is that
this was one man’s opinion in one particular location, and I would be interested
in reading any responses to his comments at the time.

> Perhaps you are not aware that at the time the reports were written,
> British Intelligence intercepted and decoded many radio reports which
> involved the same kinds of killing actions in the written reports. These
> intercepts involved the Ultra secret, which was so highly classified that
> it was not revealed until years after the war – the intercepts were never
> used at Nuremberg. However, they corroborate the written reports that
> mass executions were being carried out – and they are completely untainted
> by Soviet hands. Does this additional information allow you to form some
> conclusion about the written reports?

I have known about Ultra for some time and have also known about mass
shootings in the Soviet Union…..this does not prove the existence of gas
chambers nor does it prove that the Nazis were out to exterminate every
Jew in Europe. Three million germans were also murdered after the war by
mainly Jewish agents set up with the blessing of Stalin.

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Frank Talks About the Jews, II
Date: 30 Nov 1996 13:07:58 GMT
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] (ibokor) writes:
>
> >> [Duewell S.198
> >> IMT XXXII S. 234ff, PS-3358]
>
> >> This is item III 115 on page 276 of
> >> “Das Sonderrecht fuer die Juden im
> >> NS-Staat” (2nd Edition)
> >> Edited by J.WAlk
> >> Published by CF Mueller Verlag, Heidelberg, 1996
>
> >> ISBN 3-8252-1889-9
>
> >> d.A.

> >Now you will prove that Frank had the authority to implement
> >such a policy?
>
> It is the policy of the Government of Canada to undertake a
> humanitarian mission into Zaire.
>
> Now will you prove that I have the authority to implement such a
> policy?

> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://nizkor.org/

That isn’t an answer to the question. You lose.

From [email protected] Sat Nov 30 11:30:04 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Photographs: EINSATZGRUPPEN Massacres
Date: 29 Nov 1996 20:24:17 GMT
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images Broken link
>
> eg-01.jpg, eg-02.jpg, eg-03.jpg, eg-04.jpg, eg-05.jpg
> Einsatzgruppen massacres in Nazi-occupied USSR.
>
> eg-06.jpg
> Pyre of corpses ready to be set on fire.
>
And who “discovered” this photo and under what circumstances?
And what are you intending to prove by it? That there were shootings
in the USSR? Everyone knows this already.

> eg-07.jpg
> Mass grave.

Identify it please, as well as the origin of the photo.
Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> eg-map.jpg
> Part of a report detailing murder of Jews in the Nazi occupied
> Baltic states and White Russia by Einsatzgruppe (special action
> unit) A, submitted at February 1, 1942. Includes figures of
> Jews murdered by the Einsatzgruppen.

Shall we now begin posting all the available reports allegedly issued
by these security units?
>
> report-51.jpg
> Letter from Himmler. Mentions 363,211 Jews murdered during 4
> months in 1942.

Will have to check this one out. Will get back to you.

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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] (Orest Slepokura) writes:
> # [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>
> ## Why did your “revisionist” source claim that there are
> ## no Nazi documents regarding gas chambers, while everyone
> ## who bothered to do just a little reading about the
> ## Holocaust knows that such documents exist?
>
> # I don’t know.
>
> Do you care? Do you find the fact that this person made
> a grossly inaccurate statement (to put it mildly), relevant?
>
> # Perhaps he lacked your intellectual acumen, your
> # competence as a scholar.
>
> Perhaps. On the other hand, maybe he was just lying
> through his teeth?
>
> # Perhaps he was umimpressed by what documents there were.
>
> Why would he be “unimpressed” with them? Because they
> contradict “revisionist” insanity?

> -Danny Keren.

Where are these precious documents, Dan?

From [email protected] Sun Dec 1 16:07:18 PST 1996
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > One day soon blackmore will eat crow pie.
> > -Mark Van Alstine
> >
> > Well, I’m still waiting for you to serve it up, Mark.
>
> Still can’t find a public library, Mr. Belling? I’m not terribly suprised….

We cannot make
> history over again, but we can see that it is written true.” -Telford
> Taylor

It’s a pity that taylor doesn’t practice what he preaches.

For those interested in proof of Mr. Belling’s increasingly irrelevant
Nazi apologia, intellectual dishonesty, and outright lies, please visit:

For those interested in Mr. Alstine’s increasingly irrelevant Holocaust
defenses, please read his posts.

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Subject: Re: Jewish author on Germany
Date: 29 Nov 1996 08:53:32 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Nov 1996
> 18:56:26 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> :>> In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
> :>>
> :>> > Remember, I own approximately
> :>> >40-65,000 books, which your buddies exaggerated and distorted to 165,000,
> :>> >as is their usual way.
> :>>
> :>> Uh huh. Sure you do. And you’re really a thirteen year old girl, too.
> :>>
> :>> —
> :>> John Morris <[email protected]>
> :>> at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
> :>> —
> :>> The Nizkor Project | https://nizkor.org/

> :>Is that a proposal? Shame on you!
>
> Look who’s talking. I don’t remember seeing Morris trolling teenage boys in
> the arcadia newsgroup. How did you make out, Mr. Blackmore?

> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time

Badly. Seems they were all at your house. Hope you bought
enough butter to butter your bagel.

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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:

SNIP
> ——————————————————————————–
Mark-go eat your buttered bagel.
From [email protected] Sun Dec 1 16:07:21 PST 1996
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Subject: Soviet Def Comedy Jam 2, Revised
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Some more devastating comedy from the Soviet Prosecution’s Case at
the IMT, all taken from Volume VII:

…..”the Germans educated the Hitler Youth by training these young
fascists to shoot at living targets-at children specially handed over to
the Hitler Youth to serve as targets.”

Pg. 447.

……”the little children were martyrs. They were handed over to the Hitler
Youth who used them as living targets while learning how to shoot. No
mercy for others, all for themselves-this was the motto of the Germans.”

Pg. 447.

….”in Lvov, the Germans: Spared neither men, women, or children. The
adults were simply killed on the spot; the children were given to the Hitler
Youth for target practice.” Pg. 448.
(Imagine an ad in Germany: “It’s 10 pm. Do you know where your children are?”
How reassuring it would have been for German mothers to know that their child
was safe and sound shooting infants on the Eastern Front!)

“Apart from the shootings in Yanov Camp various forms of torture were practiced,
namely, in winter a barrel would be filled with water and a man, with hands and feet
tied, would be thrown into the barrel, where he froze to death.”
Pg. 448. (This must have been known as a “Pop” sicle.)

Men would be taken by the legs and torn in two. Page 448.
(Is this what they mean by “doing the splits”?)

Infants from 1 month to 3 years old were thrown into buckets of water and left to
drown. Pg. 448.

“Women were strung up by the hair, after first having been stripped naked, swung
in the air, and left to hang till they died.” Pg. 448.
((Absalom, oh Absalom….They must have been in a Biblical frame of mind to think
of this one! I wonder what they did with women who had “bob”cuts?

….SS Obersturmfuehrer Tumann was particularly noted for his sadistic tendencies.
He forced groups of internees to kneel in a row and then killed them by blows on
the head with a stick. Pg. 453.

“On 30 June (Wonder why they chose THAT date?) Hitler’s thugs entered the city
of Lvov, and on the very next day they started a massacre under the slogan “Kill
the Jews and the Poles”.. After hundreds had been put to death the Hitler gangsters
arranged an “exhibition” of the murdered citizens by building an arcade. Pg. 454.
(Ladies and Gentlemen-step right this way! This was called “The Hitlerite Circus of
Horrors” A big sell-out.)

“In Rostov-on-Don a pupil of the commercial school, 15 year old Vitya Cherevichny,
was playing in the yard with his pigeons. Some passing German soldiers began
to steal the birds. The boy protested. The Germans took him away and shot him, at the
corner of 27th Line and 2d Maisky Street (Are they sure it wasn’t Hollywood and Vine?)
for refusing to surrender his pigeons. (Those Soviets NEVER surrendered!) With the
heels of their boots, the Hitlerites trampled his face out of all recognition.” Pg. 455.

“The village of Bassmanova, in the Glinka district of the Smolensk region, liberated
by our troops early in September was one mass of ashes after the German occupation.
On the very first day of their arrival, the fascist fiends drove into the fields over 200
schoolboys and girls who had come to the village to help with the harvesting. There
they surrounded them and savagely shot them all, A large group of schoolgirls was
abducted to the rear “for their lordships, the officers.” Pg. 455. (Someone must have once
again been in a Biblical frame of mind when they came up with this one. Compare with
this excerpt from the Book of Numbers :

Moses was very angry with the army officers and the battalion leaders. “Why have you
let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very people who followed Balaam’s
advice and caused the people to worship idols on Mount Peor and they are the cause of the
plague that destroyed us. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have had sexual
intercourse. (Mother, maidens, and Grandmothers-rb) Only the little girls may live; you
may keep them for yourseves.” Numbers-32:15-18)

Or, this one, a few verses later:

The half of the booty assigned to the people of Israel-Moses had separated it
from the half
belonging to the warriors-amounted to:

33,000 sheep
36,000 oxen
30,500 donkeys, and
16,000 girls
(Numbers-32:42-46)

Now, on to more Soviet Comedy:

“In the Ukrainian village of Yomelchino in the region of Zhitomir, the Germans locked
68 people into a small hut, sealed the doors and windows and asphyxiated to death
everybody inside.” Pg. 457.

…”as the victims thus brought to the place of execution usually shouted, “Down with
Hitler”, Long live Poland, Down with the Germans, and similar things, the Germans
took steps to prevent the possibility of any such disturbances and began to fill their
mouths with cement…” Pg. 475.

“It has been ascertained from the testimony of N.H. Shoumilova that in July a German
officer shot a 6 year old boy merely because he was singing a Soviet song in the streets
of the town.” Pg. 496. (He must have been off-key.)

Last, but not least:

“A group of hostages at Celje were strangled on hooks used by the butchers for
hanging meat. In Maribor, the doomed, in groups of five, had to place the bodies of
the hostages already executed in boxes and then load them into trucks. After that,
they themselves were shot, while the next group of five, in their turn continued with
the loading. This went on continuously. Sodna Street in Maribor was all soaked in
blood pouring from the trucks.” Pg. 525.

Be sure to look for Soviet Def Comedy Jam, Part 3, coming soon to a theatre near you….

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> [email protected] (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:

> > And what do you claim to learn from this aggragated collection of
> > malicious gossip? Otto Strasser, whose brother was executed during
> > the 1934 Purge of Roehm and his associates. A real believeable
> > source with no axe to grind………
>
> I notice you fail to attack Friedlinde Wagner. And for a simple reason:
> she had NO axe to grind, and he parctically grew up around Hitler at
> Wahnfried.
>
> There are more than 50 interviews, articles, and other statements and
> letters in the OSS Source Book.
>
> Again, instead of snickering, read it. Maybe you’ll learn something.
>
> Sara

> “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the
> Christian religion.”
> George Washington, 1796

I’ve read the drivel. it is all malicious gossip, just like I wrote. Friedlinde
Wagner repeats idle gossip.

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:

> Mr. Blackmore is the last person to whine about winning friends and
> influencing people. His hypocrisy in this newsgroup is unmatched. He claims
> to seek the truth and desire civil debate, yet he insults people and demeans
> them in every post. He used to claim he wasn’t a “revisionist”; now he admits
> he is. He demands absolute primary evidence, yet refuses to post it himself
> when challenged. But he shows his true colors in the way he cuddles up to the
> drunken criminal Hitlerhugger Giwer.

If I am now a revisionist, it is only the lack of evidence and tactics
used by hypocritcal Nizkor devotees that has made me one.

> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time

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> [email protected] (Derek Bell) writes:
> —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—–
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> >Actually, we are terribly curious about his claim that he has more
> >books in his personal possession than some branch libraries in major
> >urban centres. Aren’t you the least bit curious about where the man
> >could possibly store 145,000 volumes? I know I am.
>
> I find rblackmore’s claim difficult to believe, even though my room
> looks like a library – I’d estimate that I’ve *at most* a couple of thousand
> books and that’s in a room in a normal-sized house in Dublin.
>
> Derek

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> Derek Bell [email protected] | “Donuts – is there _anything_
> WWW: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dbell/index.html| (Page doesn`t exist) they can’t do?”
> PGPkey: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dbell/key.asc| (Page doesn`t exist) – Homer Simpson

Well, I never expected that my books would generate this much interest.
As I have said, the majority of them are in storage facilities.

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> [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> John Morris ([email protected]) wrote:
> : In <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> : wrote:
> :
> : >Why is anyone interested in where these books are kept?
> : >A little book-burning party, perhaps?
> :
> : Actually, we are terribly curious about his claim that he has more
> : books in his personal possession than some branch libraries in major
> : urban centres. Aren’t you the least bit curious about where the man
> : could possibly store 145,000 volumes? I know I am.
>
> No kidding. When my wife and I got married, we each had about 1000
> books–getting them all into one house was a major accomplishment. Our
> walls are lined with bookshelves, and we still have books stacked on
> the floor in the study. Mr. Belling claims to have seventy times as many
> books as we do. Quite obviously, he lives in a palace.
>
> Bill

No. I have storage facilities.

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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] (John Morris) wrote:
>
> posted / emailed
>
> [text deleted]

> >Bellinger claims that we exaggerated his claim about the size of his
> >personal library (hee!) and says that it is really around 45,000 books
> >or some such twaddle.
> >
> >At that rate, I would need twenty rooms the size of my study to hold
> >that many books.
> >
> >I have a friend who had about 10,000 books crammed into a large loft
> >in New York City. He had them arranged in stacks just like a library,
> >and he filled his place.
> >
> >You have to wonder.
>
> They are probably all porno magazines. He was always comparing
> Streicher’s stuff with what he saw in _Screw_ magazine and other such
> stuff. Anyway, those things take up less room.

Typical reply from someone like Mr. Curtis.

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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>
> # With that in mind, the lying-troll-bellinger would
> # necessarily have to rent space in a warehouse
> # to store his alleged collection of books.
>
> Or –
> 1) He stores them all in Dan Gannon’s 25th dimension (this
> one will be appreciated only by us alt.revisionism
> veterans).
>
> 2) Like Kin, hero of the great novel “Auto Da-Fe”, he stores
> all the books in his head (that is the least probable
> option among the two).

> -Danny Keren.

Well, Keren, you happen to be correct for once.

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Subject: Re: R. Blackmore, public library
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected]
> (John Morris) writes:
> :>
> :>In <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Gord McFee)
> :>wrote:
>
> :>>:>> I find rblackmore’s claim difficult to believe, even though my room
> :>>:>>looks like a library – I’d estimate that I’ve *at most* a couple of thousand
> :>>:>>books and that’s in a room in a normal-sized house in Dublin.
> :>
> :>>:>Same here.
> :>
> :>>Gee, you’re in Dublin too? ?

> :>No, but my books are, and it’s an incredible nuisance. ?
>
> I take it you have as much access to your books as Mr. Blackmore has to his.
> ?
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time

Are you looking for employment, Gord?

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> ——————————————————————————–
By the way, I also offer hundreds of collectible comics for sale. That
ought to thrill Mark.

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected]
> (John Morris)Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:36:12 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>In <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Derek Bell)
> :>wrote:
> :>
> :>>[email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> :>>>Actually, we are terribly curious about his claim that he has more
> :>>>books in his personal possession than some branch libraries in major
> :>>>urban centres. Aren’t you the least bit curious about where the man
> :>>>could possibly store 145,000 volumes? I know I am.
> :>
> :>> I find rblackmore’s claim difficult to believe, even though my room
> :>>looks like a library – I’d estimate that I’ve *at most* a couple of thousand
> :>>books and that’s in a room in a normal-sized house in Dublin.
> :>
> :>Same here.
>
> Gee, you’re in Dublin too? ?
>
> :>Bellinger claims that we exaggerated his claim about the size of his
> :>personal library (hee!) and says that it is really around 45,000 books
> :>or some such twaddle.
>
> I expect that Mr. Bellinger is exaggerating things just a tad.

> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time

Surprise. you are wrong again Gordon. I’ll sell no book before
its time.

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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Kurt
> Stele) wrote:
>
> [Nothing but Nazi vulgarities]
>
> One can only wonder if Mr. Smith’s keepers at the National Alliance
> realize he has escaped his padded cell and is skulking about the digital
> street corners haranguing passers-by with his insane diatribes?
>
> For those interested in proof of National Alliance member Brian Smith’s
> (aka “Kurt Stele”) rabid anti-Semitism, pathological Nazi apologia, and
> that he possses an IQ of a fence post (not to mention a sewer mouth)
> please visit:
>
> http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/s/stele.kurt Broken link
> http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/s/smith.brian.r Broken link
>
> “In Jerusalem there is a memorial site for the six million Jews murdered
> by the Nazi’s during World War 2. It is called Yad Vashem and was raised
> 1953. An avenue called “The Avenue of the Righteous” runs through this
> site. The wind whispers continuously through the several hundred trees
> planted there. Each and every tree has been planted to honor a non-Jewish
> person risking his or her life to save Jews from the Nazi murderers.”
>
> Mark
> ——————————————————————————–
> “Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties–but
> right through every human heart–and all human hearts.”
>
> — Alexander Solzhenitsyn, “The Gulag Archipelago”
> ——————————————————————————–

“One day soon Mr. Blackmore will be eating crow pie.”-Mark Van Alstine
Well, I’m waiting……

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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] (Orest Slepokura) writes:
> # [email protected] (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>
> ## Why can’t you people read? Are you *all* mentally retarded?
>
> # Here Dr. Keren has afforded us a most egregious example of
> # ableism. I don’t suppose he cares, though, so long as his
> # own pet ox has not been gored.
> #
> # But that is human nature, after all.
>
> Why did your “revisionist” source claim that there are
> no Nazi documents regarding gas chambers, while everyone
> who bothered to do just a little reading about the
> Holocaust knows that such documents exist?

> -Danny Keren.

Really, Dan? What are they?

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Nov 1996
> 18:12:20 GMT writes:
> :>
> :> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
>
> [deletion of Hitlerhugger Giwer’s death threats against Danny Keren)
>
> :>> Again, Giwer clearly says I should be killed because my
> :>> opinions on history differ from his.
>
> :>Danny, you are such a silly little man. Listen to poor Danny Keren, who
> :>whines and cries like a whimpering infant when people get pissed off at his
> :>continuous insults. You deserve all the sympathy of a rattlesnake poised and
> :>ready to strike, and like the rattlesnake, honest people should flee from you before
> :>being infected with your pseudo-historical poison.
>
> In other words, Mr. Blackmore thinks it is just fine for Hitlerhugger Giwer to
> drunkenly rave three death threats against Dr. Keren. Fine. Just so we know
> what kind of reptile we are dealing with.

> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time

Who? Keren?

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> Chuck Ferree <[email protected]> writes:

> belling’s constant pro-Nazi and very weak excuses on behalf of the SS,
> Nazi killers, thieves, torturers, sorry bastids gets a little old
> after a while. Not to mention the fact that he is a proven liar.
>
> Chuck

Chuckles-your bias is showing and its not a pretty sight.

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Snip
Brack stated that the euthanasia
programme had stopped and that the people from T4 would from now on be
detailed to him on a regular basis so that the decisions taken at the
Wannsee conference could be implemented. As it appeared that it would

This is an obvious fake, as there is a reference to the Wannsee
Conference, which had nothing to do with exterminating human
beings. Better luck next time.

Rubbish. There are other documents discussing the Wansee
conference and they make full reference to exterminating
the Jews and the Wansee conference.

Hans Frank, The Governer-General of Poland, made explicit
reference to both the extermination of Jews and the upcoming
Wansee conference in a speech on December 16th, 1941:

… One way or another, I will tell you that quite openly,
we must finish off the Jews.

And this is your “proof”? A comment from the bombasitc frank,
who had no authority to issue orders to either the Gestapo,
Security Police, or OrdnungsPolizei?
> [..]
> I will therefore, on principle, approach Jewish affairs in the
> expectation that the Jews will disappear. They must go. [..]
> In January there will be a major conference on this question in
> Berlin, to which I shall send State Secretary Dr. Beuhler.
> [..]
> …we will be able to take measures that will somehow lead to
> successful destruction; and this in connection with the large
> scale procedures which are to be discussed in the Reich.

> The Januaray conference mentioned by Frank is none other
> than the Wansee confernce. The famous minutes from that
> conference were dated on January 20, 1942.
>
> Brian Harmon <[email protected]>
> ——
> Human memory is the glue that bonds the massive
> physical evidence into a coherent and unified history.
> <[email protected]>

get off your soapbox and read my post: “Let’s be frank about
Frank” on Deja News, where your whole argument is thoroughly
debunked once and for all.-rb

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[email protected] (Harry W. Mazal OBE) writes:
On 20 Nov 1996 00:39:59 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
Testimony of SS Oberscharfuehrer Erich Bauer
[Quoted in “BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA – the Operation Reinhard
Death Camps”, Indiana University Press – Yitzhak Arad, 1987, p. 77]

[text deleted]

Of course you have proof to support this man’s story, other
than more “eyewitness” testimonies?

The best proof that _anything_ that Dr. Keren posts is true is that
> Mr. Blackmore denies it.

Ha! Keep up the good work!
>
> Since his unfortunate return to this newsgroup we have been regaled
> with countless one-liners. His 145,000 book library must have
> vanished like a thief in the night!

Devastating one liners, aren’t they? They are all your arguments
deserve. By the way, that’s 65,000 books. more exaggerations
>from the same crew that brought you the Holohoax.

> Harry W. Mazal OBE
>
> Nizkor (USA) An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
> Over 1000 Megs of data: https://nizkor.org
> Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
> Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction – permanently!)(Page doesn`t exist)
>
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> (Harry W. Mazal OBE) wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > The best proof that _anything_ that Dr. Keren posts is true is that
> > Mr. Blackmore denies it.
> >
> > Since his unfortunate return to this newsgroup we have been regaled
> > with countless one-liners. His 145,000 book library must have
> > vanished like a thief in the night!
>
> Or perhaps is because Mr. Belling’s “library” consists of _comic_ book?
> That might help explain his “countless one-liners.” One is what one
> reads….
>
> Mark
> ——————————————————————————–
> “Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties–but
> right through every human heart–and all human hearts.”
>
> — Alexander Solzhenitsyn, “The Gulag Archipelago”
> ——————————————————————————–
If they are comic books, they are doubtlessly more informative than
the sources you rely upon, which aren’t even good enough for
comic books.

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: The Fuhrer’s Gaze (Thank You, ourhero!)
Date: 30 Nov 1996 00:03:39 GMT
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ron.schwarz[at]nethawk.com (Delete spam-buster ([at]) to reply) writes:
On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 21:33:21 -0500, [email protected] (Sara aka
Perrrfect) wrote:

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Jim
Stuart) wrote:

Thank you, comrade! The clear, firm gaze of Adolf Hitler is
an inspiration to all Aryan men, to strive toward victory and
to battle each enemy with courage and quiet determination.

And then to take the coward’s way out and commit suicide.

I would hardly refer to Hitler’s suicide as cowardice. Fact is, the man,
whatever else he may have been, was not a coward, as his whole career
and war record amply proves. The allies were simply deprived of the pleasure
of executing him publicly and later displaying his mummified head and sex
organs in some museum in Tel Aviv.
> >
> >I suggest you widen your knowledge of your Fuehrer by reading some of the
> >documents and interviews collected by the OSS during the war. Some of the
> >wonderful things you’ll discover are:

What is OSS-the Office of Stupid Shits?
> >
> >Hitler got undressed and then asked Rene Mueller (an actress) to kick him,
> >all the while crying that he “wasn’t worthy” of her. She later “committed
> >suicide.”
> >
> >Hitler forced Geli Raubel to stand over his naked body and urinate on him.
> >She later “committed suicide” with Hitler’s gun.
> >
> >When one of Hitler’s personal guards started a flirtation with Eva Braun,
> >he was found at the bottom of a ravine behind the “Eagle’s Nest.” Cause of
> >death? “Suicide”
> >
> >What a guy, huh?
>
> The big question: where was Fahmi Malek at the time? <g>

The things some people will believe. Well try this one on for size:

“Once I had an unpleasant experience in the camp, when a (Jewish) doctor
visited me and my room-mates had to leave. When we were alone, he said,
“I have to ask you to tell me a few intimate things about Hitler.”

I stared at him, astonished. “But you know that I can’t tell you anything
“intimate” about Hitler.”

“Frau Riefenstahl, I understand that you do not care to speak about
such things, but I am a doctor, and you can trust me. (!) It is no crime
if you as a woman slept with Hitler. I will not report it any further. We
want to know if Hitler was sexually normal or if he was impotent, what
his genitals looked like, and so on. These things are important to us
for understanding his character.”

Source: The Sieveof Time, Leni Riefenstahl

Now. if all those reports which you mentioned were true, why
was this doctor begging Ms. Riefenstahl for all these sordid
details? Fact is, your info is simply a compendium of malicious
lies and gossip disseminated by Hitler’s detractors.

From [email protected] Sun Dec 1 16:07:36 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: agressive
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> [email protected] (Derek Bell) writes:
> [email protected] (R) writes:
> > It appears we have another koward here; afraid to report the
> >”crime” as his wild imagination would have it.
>
> Tell me, when are you going to make good your threats to report Nizkor
> to Revenue Canada? Or do you just lack the cajones?
>
> Derek
>
> Read the information the Giwer-troll fears:
>
> https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/ Broken link
> https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html Broken link
> https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html Broken link
> https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mcvay-ken/put-up-shut-up.html Broken link
> https://nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/plagarized-01.html Broken link
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/antisemite Broken link
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse/ Broken link
>
> Derek Bell [email protected] | “Donuts – is there _anything_
> WWW: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dbell/index.html| (Page doesn`t exist)
they can’t do?”
> PGPkey: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dbell/key.asc| (Page doesn`t exist)
– Homer Simpson

When are you going to admit your affiliation with a synagogue?
Or don’t you have the cajones, pendejo?

From [email protected] Sun Dec 1 16:07:37 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: ‘the motor was then switched on by Gotringer’
Date: 29 Nov 1996 22:04:15 GMT
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:

> In fact, I have posted the evidence as cited in a source which has
> your approval.

> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://nizkor.org/
>
You have never posted anything but your own arrogant opinions.

From [email protected] Sun Dec 1 16:07:37 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Blackmore still lies…. Re: Questions [email protected]
([email protected]) refuses to answer…
Date: 29 Nov 1996 23:21:29 GMT
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> Chuck Ferree <[email protected]> writes:
> Chuck Ferree writes:
>
> Right on! Lies while into denial. OJ Simpson the
> double-throat-slasher, has the same problem!

> [email protected] wrote:
>
> whimpy lies, and timid bluffs. He’s a candy ass!
> >
> > [email protected] (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:

> > To this venomous response I state:
> >
> > I would then ask you to demonstrate where I have lied.
>
> All one needs to do is read his stuff, it’s all lies.
>
> Chuck

>From a liar par excellence himself!

From [email protected] Sun Dec 1 16:07:38 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Nazi Mass Murder in the Ukraine
Date: 29 Nov 1996 23:03:36 GMT
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> [email protected] (Ulrich Roessler) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> : > [email protected] (william c anderson) writes:
> : > [email protected] wrote:
>
> : > : Has it ever occurred to you, since you try to use them as witnesses?
> : >
> : > Mr. Belling, is it your sincere claim that documents authored by
> : > dead people cannot be used as historical evidence?
>
> : > Bill

> : No, only documents forged or offered by liars.
>
> The last resort of the helpless “Revisionist”:
>
> ‘Lies, lies, forgery, forgery … ‘
>
> u.roessler [email protected]en.de

Do you deny that there are or were forgeries and lies? I am far
>from helpless. i do not cry out “lies” or “forgeries” out of
anguish or desperation. Would you care to review some of these
lies and forgeries? if so, access Deja News and research all my
posts under “Soviet Def Comedy Jam”. There are a number of them.
Then come back and lets discuss it.

From [email protected] Sun Dec 1 16:07:39 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Photograph: Hirt’s Letter Regarding the Gassings in Natzweiler
Date: 29 Nov 1996 18:44:58 GMT
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[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
[email protected] writes:
# [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:

[Web page with a letter from Dr. Hirt, regarding the gassing
in Natzweiler]

# Without even bothering to respond to the nonsense above,

But of course. Why bother? They ask for documents. When
the document is given, they don’t have what to say. So
they ignore it. They say it’s not worth responding to.

What a bunch of desperate, lame-brained Nazis…

> The Natzweiler gassing is so well documented that even
> David Cole, “leading revisionist scholar”, agrees it
> took place, as I recall.

Now, why would you refer to anything written by David Cole,
a “degenerate Jewish traitor and lying Nazi-boy revisionist scum”?
Simply because he might agree with your opinion?
You have no more use for David Cole than you would a pimple on your ass.
As to Natzweiler-the whole charge sounds ridiculous. Now, answer me one
question: Were these all Jews who were supposedly gassed and decapitated?
>
> # Isn’t it curious how all the most damaging documents are
> # signed by people alleged to be suicides or MIA’s?
>
> Hirt indeed killed himself. But you’re lying again; many
> documents were written by people who were captured after
> the war and have testified about them.

It has also been maintained that he fled or was simply “missing”.
Which is it? Will you begin another great “manhunt”?
>
> Kramer testified about he personally gassed the people
> in Natzweiler. And you have great admiration for Kramer;
> you posted that he is a truthful and reliable witness.

And accused witches testified that they kissed the devil’s ass.
Do you believe them as well? Kramer told the truth in his first
affadavit, before the professional interrogators got to him. In his
first affadavit, he denied that there ever were any gas chambers.
>
> You shot yourself in the foot again, you poor, silly,
> lying Nazi apologist.

At least I still have a foot left. You shot your own off years ago.

From [email protected] Sun Dec 1 16:07:40 PST 1996
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Photograph: Hirt’s Letter Regarding the Gassings in Natzweiler
Date: 29 Nov 1996 18:46:48 GMT
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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:

> rebut it.
>
> Pathetic.

> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time

What is more pathetic is that you seem to believe what you write.

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Photograph: Hirt’s Letter Regarding the Gassings in Natzweiler
Date: 29 Nov 1996 19:07:28 GMT
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> [email protected] (Charles R.L. Power) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> >Yet this gas chamer has never been thoroughly examined, to the best
> >of my knowledge. No, I take that back. It was examined by none other
> >than Robert Faurisson and proclaimed a fraud.
>
> Wow, how authoritative can you get? Faurisson has the same qualifications
> as Fred Leuchter: none.

You have even less.

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Photograph: Hirt’s Letter Regarding the Gassings in Natzweiler
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[email protected] (Miloslav Bilik) writes:
[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] (Miloslav Bilik) writes:
[email protected] wrote:

Without even bothering to respond to the nonsense above, I will only
direct the reader to note that Hirt is another one of those mysterious
“suicides” or “presumed missing”. Probably ushered out of Europe
by the “Vatican Connection” no doubt! Isn’t it curious how all the
most damaging documents are signed by people alleged to be suicides
or MIA’s? How coincidental.

Missing like Bormann. You should bother to respond.

Good. Let’s dig into this subject a bit deeper, shall we?

Good. A preliminary remark: you’re always asking for precisions, but
you put nothing. It’s strange with your huge library.

1/ Kramer said that he got from Hirt cyanide salts to gas about one
hundred of earmarked Jews, that he did it and delivered the corpses to
the mortuary of Hirt.

So Kramer said he received cyanide salts from Hirt? And where did Hirt
receive them from? Do you happen to have a document which shows
Hirt ordering cyanide salts? Now, would these be the one and the same
Zyklon B we have all heard so much about? If Kramer was in charge of
the executions, why did he not apply for the salts himself?

Hirt was a physician and worked in the Civil Hospices, the biggest
hospital of Strasbourg, that has its pharmacy, its laboratory of
chemistry, aso. As it is a salt that was used, that wasn’t Zyklon B.
Kramer told he had to add water to the salt in order to begin the
gassing and Hirt said that the salt was a cyanide. A physician can
easily make it, for example by mixing an anhydrous acid (tartaric,
oxalic, citric) with KCN or NaCN. If Hirt was unsure how to do it, the
laboratory of chemistry was there to help.

All these products are very common and easy to find in the pharmacy.
Kramer told he had about a liter of salts for the four gassings.

Of course you can prove that Hirt actually received these salts and sent
them on to a camp? Of course you can’t. it is all speculation on your part.

2/ A lot of letters of Hirt to Kramer, another SS of the Ahnenerbe and
vice versa still exist, as the one above, planning the gassing.

All of this planning for this one little gassing?? All these documents?
Then I ask where all the documents are relating to the mass gassing
> >of Jews at Auschwitz……
>
> I told already these gassings were supported by the Ahnenerbe. It was
> of special interest for these Nazis to have anatomical studies on
> “earmarked” Jews. I said too that the breakthrough of the 2DB was so
> quick that the Germans left without destroying documents. See per
> example the Nuremberg documents 016-NO, 085-NO, 086-NO, 087-NO,
> 116-NO, ..

This is not an answer to my question. You are simply dancing. Anatomical
studies of “earmarked Jews”. Do you know how ridiculous this sounds?
Why were these Jews so special that they differed from millions of other
Jews in Nazi controlled Europe?
>
> >Another question,
>
> Was it a question ? it looked like a statement.
>
> >how many other people were
> >gassed at Struthof besides this “experimental group”?
>
> At least 24 persons died in an experiment with phosgene (a weapon gas)
> in 44 and in 43 three died in a series of gassings, testing an
> antidote. An other experimentation with a vesicant gas killed 19
> women. The list isn’t exhaustive, so I focus on the group from
> Auschwitz.

I see.
>
> >> 3/ Testimonies from Natzweiler exist about the gassings, as documents
> >> about the gas chamber. The gas chamber remained.
> >
> >Yet this gas chamer has never been thoroughly examined, to the best
> >of my knowledge. No, I take that back. It was examined by none other
> >than Robert Faurisson and proclaimed a fraud.
>
> Faurisson would say that an elephant is a pet if this could suit him.
> The French Army (a commander and a group of officers) visited the camp
> in Dec 44 and found a gas chamber, with lighting, a gas tight door
> with a secured porthole, a device of introduction, an airing with a
> fan (file n°3 in the trial of Natzweiler by the permanent military
> court of Strasbourg).

And you can prove that this alleged gas chamber was constructed by the Nazis and
not the French, who purportedly “discovered” it. And the Nazis just left it there
for them to refer to as evidence. The Nazis really were stupid, weren’t they?
Building a “gas chamber” at Dachau weeks before the end of the war. leaving a
gas chamber intact at Natzweiler….all so the allies could have all the proof they needed
that people were being “gassed”…..I’m ready for my close up, Mr. DeMille……Aside
>from all this, there are such things as legal gas chambers and legal executions. We
have gas chambers in the U.S. where people like the Rosenbergs were executed for
treason. The Nazis certainly could have constructed one or two legal gas chambers
to execute criminals.

> >> 5/ Hirt left quickly because of the unexpected breakthrough of the 2th
> >> DB, and it was found one week later 86 corpses without heads in
> >> special tanks in the basement of the mortuary.
> >
> >86 corpses found in a special tank in a morgue in an institute for
> >the study of anatomy? Hardly out of the ordinary.
>
> 86 corpses packed in six tanks, all similar, anonymous, in the
> alcohol, headless and without any visible death’s cause ? You must be
> kidding or you were never in an Institute.

An Institute for Anatomy, where corpses are dissected and preserved as
a matter of routine. You must never have been in an Institute either. By the
way, not all of the corpses in the tanks were headless.
>
> >> 6/ Testimonies from the mortuary exist about the delivery of these
> >> corpses with the same dates than Natzweiler (they were informed about
> >> the day and hour of each delivery and all the corpses were still
> >> warm), what Hirt said about these, and his final order to cut and
> >> incinerate the heads before he left.

Well, if you want to believe all that, fine. Fact is, there is undoubtedly
a deeper explanation to all of this than you are capable of giving at the moment.
> >
> >Well, if all this is true, what can you tell us about the victims? And in
> >what year were these Ichabod Crane corpses found?
>
> The victims were gassed the Aug 11, 13, 17 and 19, 1943. The corpses
> were found the 1st Dec 44 in the Institute by the commandant Raphael.
>
> >> 7/ The selection of the earmarked Jews in Auschwitz is mentioned in
> >> the chronicle.
> >
> >Are you then saying that all of the victims were Jews?
>
> Yes.

Really???!!? Since when are Jews uncircumcised? Since when are
Jews asian? I will inform you that I have seen photos of these corpses.
>
> >> 8/ One French witness noticed something that he couldn’t make up when
> >> he testified (in Dec 44), proving that the victims came from Auschwitz
> >> (what he didn’t know).
> >
> >Well, will you share this with us? Who was this mystery witness and what was
> >said?
>
> It isn’t a mystery witness, but Henrypierre (soon quoted in precedent
> posts).

Who is Herypierre, that we should believe him?
>
> He noted that each body was tattooed on the forearm with five digits
> numbers, copied all these numbers, and gave them to the justice.

Well, at some point Auschwitz ceased tattooing inmates. Also, criminals
were tattooed.

Now,
> how could Henrypierre guess that the victims had to be tattooed as
> they were in quarantine at Birkenau ? Was there many camps with the
> habit of tattooing the inmates who weren’t immediately killed ?

Do you know the year when tattooing of prisoners ceased at Auschwitz?
I have met a number of Jews who claim to have been in Auschwitz and they
had NO tattoo.
>
> His first testimony was the Dec 16, 1944, before Birkenau was
> liberated by the Russians. Moreover, if he didn’t even know that the
> victims came from Natzweiler, he didn’t know that they came in fact
> from Birkenau.
>
> How then could he make up these numbers, how could he guess that they
> were previously in quarantine at Birkenau and the habit of Auschwitz ?

That is a pertinent question. How could he?
>
> Then, the victims came from Birkenau. The chronicle mentions the
> selection by Beger from the Ahnenerbe and the quarantine (entry: Jun
> 15, 1943).
>
> They traveled to Rothau and were gassed by Kramer according to his own
> testimony,

In his initial detailed statement Kramer denied the existence of gas chambers.
His interrogators were not pleased with that response. So, he was induced
to give a second statement, which I reject. Witches were similarly induced
to claim that they had kissed the devil’s ass. Do you believe them?

at four dates suited with Hirt (testimonies: the driver of
> the van; a farmer – the gas chamber is very close to the farm – ;
> several inmates and among them a man who built the introduction
> device; the two preparators of the mortuary; a secretary of the
> Ahnenerbe who typed the list of the selection, aso).

If these people were gassed, then I can only say that these were legal
gassing of people who had committed some sort of crime.

> >> Now, I’m curious to see how you will manage to uphold that no gassing
> >> occurred in Natzweiler ?
>
> >Now, I am curious as to how you will answer my questions.
>
> Now, I’m still curious to see how you will manage to uphold that no
> gassing occurred in Natzweiler.

What you write runs contrary to logic and the evidence. Especially the
comment that these people were all Jews, as I have already pointed out.
>
> With no fact and more and more evading questions ?

With no fact and more and more distorted circumstances?

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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images Broken link
>
> maidanek-01.jpg
> Shoes of the victims piled up in Maidanek camp.

What a rummage sale that must have been!
>
> maidanek-02.jpg
> Burned corpses of Maidanek inmates.

Of course these people had died during epidemics. Dan would
prefer that they were left to stink and rot. Better visuals for his
photo collection.
>
> Maidanek_Crematorium.jpg
> The crematorium in Maidanek.

Now it is a crime to build a crematorium!

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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images Broken link
>
> nordhausen-01.jpg, nordhausen02.jpg:
>
> Murdered inmates.

Uh, excuse me? You have all the details, I assume. In fact,
many inmates died as the result of allied bombings.

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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images Broken link
>
> buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg:
> Emaciated corpses of the inmates.

I would say these people wasted away from typhus, which is a
wasting disease.
>
> buchenwald02.jpg:
> Artifacts made from corpses of inmates.

What artifacts are these Danny?
>
> shrunken.jpg:
> The shrunken head of an inmate.

This “shrunken head” was obtained from a museum in
South America. Can’t you just envision the sight-a fat
German sergeant stirring heads with a big stick
in a vast, smouldering cauldron in the middle of the camp,
and then hanging the heads out to dry on the Siegfried Line…

“I’m going to hang all my heads out on the Siegfried line…..”

> buchenwald04.jpg:
> German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops
> have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how
> well-dressed and well-fed they are.

These germans were not criminals, as were thousands of camp inmates.
Furthermore, they were not infected with typhus. that would take about another
year…..

You seem to have serious psychological problems, Dan…You ought to seek
professional help…..

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From: [email protected]
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[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
[email protected] writes:
# [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:

[web page with photos of inmates burned alive by the
Nazis in Thekla camp]

# Why don’t you post the photos of mothers and
# infants burned alive at Dresden by the allies,

I actually posted such a photo; it’s in Nizkor’s
web site. BTW, another reason for which I post the
Thekla photos is because of the lie put forward by
the senile “revisionist scholar”, Faurisson, that
the Nazis never burned people alive.

Please. That was not a policy and you know it. Aside from
that, you should also be aware of the fact that the culprit responsible
for this crime, was caught and executed. And the responsiblity for
this act rested solely with him, a minor official who made a criminal
decision on his own initiative, which you now attempt to distort and
use to mislead people. How unprofessional!
>
> # BTW, perhaps you will advise us who the inmatews
> # at Thekla were and why they were arrested.
>
> You’re suggesting they *deserved* to be burned alive?

Please don’t answer my question with a question.
>
> These people are just incredible. I am sure Hoess would
> have loved to have these “revisionist scholars” working
> for him.

It might have gone better for him than it did. Perhaps he would
have received fair representation. Also, Hoess had nothing
to do with Thekla.
>
> # Also, the crime of killing the inmates at Thekla was
> # committed on the initiative of ONE man
>
> It’s always “one man”, right?

In this case it certainly is.
>
> # who was later punished for his crime.
>
> By who?

An allied court. It should have been a German court,
and would have been, had nopt the allies usurped the
right of Germans to try their own nationals.

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> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected] Nov 1996
> 19:49:59 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>> [email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> :>> In message <[email protected]> – [email protected]
(Harry W. Mazal OBE)Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:57:18 GMT writes:
> :>> :>
> :>> :>On 20 Nov 1996 09:59:31 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

> :>> [proof positve that Blackmore is a liar deleted]
> :>>
> :>> :>Mr. Blackmore is a liar. Get used to it.
> :>>
> :>> Thank you Mr. Mazal, but we were already used to it.
>
> :>We?
>
> Yup.

> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time

The whole synagogue must be overjoyed.

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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Chris
> Carpenter) wrote:
>
> > “There is only one Power which really counts: The Power of
> > Political Pressure. We Jews are the most powerful people on Earth,
> > because we have this power, and we know how to apply it.”
> >
> > (Jewish Daily Bulletin, 7/27/1935)

> “Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish
> financiers inside and outside Europe should again succeed in plunging
> the nations into a world war, the result will be…the annhilation of
> the Jewish race throughout Europe.”
>
> – Adolf Hitler in his speech to the Reichstag; January 30, 1939.
>
> Mark
> ——————————————————————————–
> “Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties–but
> right through every human heart–and all human hearts.”
>
> — Alexander Solzhenitsyn, “The Gulag Archipelago”
> ——————————————————————————–
“One day soon Mr. Blackmore will be eating crow pie.”-Mark Van Alstine.
Well, I am waiting for you to serve it up.

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Chuck Ferree <[email protected]> writes:
Chuck Ferree wrote:

Okay, rbl, you gonna kick my old beat up ass…huh? Well good luck,
pal.

[email protected] wrote:

Chuck Ferree <[email protected]> writes:
Chuck Ferree writes:

rbl, why must everyone else do your work for you? You lazy bastid!!!

When one reads the rest of this post, add up up the items this guy
proves are the truth, as opposed to his weird opinions. Opinions don’t
count. Facts count.

[email protected] wrote:

Why don’t you post the photos of mothers and infants burned
alive at Dresden by the allies,

Yeah, turkey, we lit matches and set the innocent mommies and babies
on fire and watched them burn. Unlike your Nazi pals, who just said
stuff like eenie, meenie, minny, moe, into the burning pit you go.
> Nothing abstract about that. Right???

Of course you can prove this without resorting to your famous
“eyewitness” right, Chuck? You will provide us with the written
directive to throw people into a burning pit? Sure, you will…….
Only famed novelist Elie Wiesel and the like could come up with this
sort of nonsense, and it takes a peculiar bird to believe it.

Why don’t you post the photos of the people burned at Dresden?

Apparently I will have to do so,

“apparently” another broken promise! No pictures will be posted, just
more pro-natsie baloney. Common, give us a break!

I will be scanning soon, much to Danny Keren’s delight!

clips he’s bluffing some more!

You’re
so hep on tit for tat bull. One dead Jew starved to death, worked to
death, gassed to death, singled out because they were Jews, murdered
by design,

Yep, one dead German starved to death, worked to death, singled out
because they were Germans, murdered by design, by people like
Shlomo, who is still wanted for questioning by legal authorities in Poland,
for his part in the mass murder of Germans after the war ended…..

In case you didn’t know, and we all know that you don’t care, German
civilians by the hundreds of thousands were starved to death, worked to
death, singled out because they were Germans and murdered by design,
mostly by Jews in Poland

First of all I care about cruelty just as much as you do, pal, maybe
more.
Prove it, then!
Second, thousands of German civilians were not starved to death,
> or worked to death, etc. by Jews in Poland after the war, because
> there weren’t any Jews left in Poland after the war.

Chuck-I hate to burst your bubble, but I have to. maybe then you will
begin to view things a bit more sensibly-maybe not. But here goes-
>From the AP Wire Newsservice, 1946:

“The Military Government’s displaced persons branch stated that
the Jewish population of DPs in the US zone had almost doubled
in the past four months, rising to 70,216 receiving UNRRA care.
McNarney said there also were 27,000 Jews in Austrian camps,
or a total of more than 97,000 in Austria and Germany. Most of them
were said to have fled from Poland.”

“General Joseph T. McNarney, American commander in Europe,
stated on August 9 that he was trying to stop a “well-organized”
movement of Jews into the American zone of Germany and estimated
that, after the UNRRA program ended, it would cost US taxpayers at
least $80,000,000 annually to care for displaced persons.”

From: The Associated Press News Annual, 1946.

Also, from the same source:

“A boy’s tale that Jews had kidnapped him set mobs raging through
the streets of Kielce in Poland’s worst postwar pogrom that killed 41
and injured many others-mostly Jews-before government armored
cars restored order in that city of 60,000.”

Another “ritual murder” allegation? The year? 1941. The place?
Kielce, Poland. The reason for the riots? An allegation of attempted
ritual murder. I wonder why the Poles would initiate a pogrom against the
Jews of Poland, who had all allegedly been wiped out by the Nazis, according
to Chuck?

This is not to
> stick up for the Soviets, because I know they were a bunch of mean
> bastids also.

Now, who is Shlomo and why is he wanted for questioning in Poland
on charges of mass murder of german civilians? Why he is hiding out
like a cowardly wretch in Israel?

> clips

> doesn’t equal German civilians caught in a legitiment
> > > bombing raid.
> >
> > Dresden was not a legitimate bombing raid, as has been admitted by
> > British Air Marshall Harris, known as “Bomber Harris”.
>
> Harris had regrets as did Churchill, but that doesn’t mean Dresden was
> not a legitiment military target. Everything was a legitiment military
> target during WW-II, by both sides. The idea was to force the Germans
> to quit fighting a lost cause. The stupid leaders just let their
> population take the punishment. Same as Iraq.

Is that what you believe, Chuck?
>
> You ought to
> > brush up on your history before you open that trap of yours.
>
> Histroy….smishtory. Historical facts mean to you, what you decide
> they mean to you. Truth and facts don’t count, as you have proven
> about a kazillion times.

If I didn’t know better, I would think you are talking about your
own interpretation of “history”. History to you means whatever
SHAEF told you in 1945.

> > Nobody decided to burn 37,0000 or so Germans to death at
> > > Dresden.
> >
> > You have your figures wrong. The real figure is 137,000 and possibly
> > higher
>
> Pick a number, pal…nobody knows for certain.

137,000 is now accepted as the low figure for the number of civilian
deaths.
>
> clipped…more lies

> > The Nazis decided to conduct mass gassings and did it, mass
> > > shootings and did it, exterminate the Jews and gave it their best
> > > shot. The old orange and apple stupid trick.
> >
> > Well, what you say and what you can prove appear to be two
> > entirely different things.

> Look whose talking. Never proves a thing. You saying that the Nazis
> *didn’t* mass gas, mass shoot, mass starve, in one way or
> another…murder millions of Jews and others during the war? You
> saying that?

I have seen no convincing evidence for proof of illegal gas chambers
used in an attempt to exterminate the Jewish population in Europe.
Jews were shot in masses in the Soviet Union, in the midst of the
most brutal partisan war ever witnessed in mankind’s history. Atrocities
were committed by all sides during the second world war, including the
Jews. Germans were also starved to death after the war by jews in
concentration camps in Poland and Czechoslovakia.

Tens of thousands of Jews served as members of the partisans during
the war all throughout Europe and committed many gory atrocities.
Over 1.5 million Jews fought as combatants against the germans in the various
allied forces during world war two. This would make them every bit as much
of an enemy to the Axis as any other ally. All these facts taken together
constitute the immense
tragedy of the war and its aftermath and no one person or organization is
to blame.
>
> > under heat so intense that the
> > > > corpses actually melted together?
> > >
> > > That’s what happened to Jews who were burned alive by the Germans.

Jews were NEVER burned alive en masse by the Nazis, and you know it.

> > > BTW, perhaps you will
> > > > advise us who the inmatews at Thekla were and why they were arrested.
> > > > Also, the crime of killing the inmates at Thekla was committed on the
> > > > initiative of ONE man who was later punished for his crime.

> > > Look it up, dummy. We don’t work for you. You wanna know, do your own
> > > research.

I have done it. Now I suggest that you look it up. I can’t do all your
research for you.
>
> Tell it like it really is. Germans died, people from every country in
> Europe died. (300,000 plus Anericans died) Don’t expect me to feel
> more sorry for German-Austrian deaths, when you know that I saw what
> they did in five major Death camps and other sub-camps. For the most
> part, the innocent Germans who died, had a much easier time dying than
> the millions of Jews and others murdered by the Nazis

How many camps did you see after the war in Poland and Czechslovakia,
where Jews like Shlomo murdered millions of german civilians?
How many of those did
you see, Chuck?

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[email protected] (ibokor) writes:
“jblackmore”:

What I am trying to do is see if
any of you have the same concern over what happened to the
Germans as compared with what happened to the Jews. Simple
enough?

Chuck Ferree:

Quite simple enough…the same thing that happened to the Jews, did
not happen to the Germans. What happened to the Germans was as I seem
to recall: they started something they couldn’t finish, and got their
collective asses kicked. Whereas, the Jews were set up by the Germans
to be murdered by the millions. That’s what happened to the Jews.
Murdered by the Millions. Nazis done it.
BTW…Dresden was a legitimate military target, as were the cities in
Japan, Tokyo, and the two what got the big boom.

“jblackmore”:

Right, Chuckles, thanks for your opinions. Let’s see 80,000
civilians at Hiroshima, 60,000 at Nagasaki, 130,000 at Dresden-
yep-pure military targets all right.

> d.A.:
>
> I do not claim to speak for any other contributor to this
> newsgroup, but I, for one, *do* have great sympathy for
> innocent victims of war. That is part of the reason I
> share Ossietzky’s and Russell’s pacificism.
>
> You should, however, bear in mind that the bombing of
> Dresden also *saved* innocent lives in Dresden. Viktor
> Klemperer was one and he mentions this in his book
> “LTI”.

Well, that is a unique perspective indeed. And the shooting
of Jews on the eastern front saved lives as well, I take it?
>
> The extent to which the population of a country shares
> or bears responsibility for the actions and policies
> of its government(s) depends on numerous factors. If
> a country is truly democratic, then the actions and
> policies of the government are legitimately the
> responsibility of its citizenry with suffrage, otherwise
> the degree of responsibility varies.

Nice words without any particular significance.
>
> Of course this does *not* mean that each individual
> is/was in agreement with policy and/or action.
>
> I put it to you that the customs official’s son from
> Braunau had substantial, even overwhelming, support
> for about a decade from his compatriots. To that
> extent at least, claiming that all the victims of
> the bombing of Dresden were innocent victims is
> fatuous.
For you, perhaps.
To give one simple example, the Gestapo’s
> local headquarters were destroyed. I cannot accept
> that members of the Gestapo (or the SS) were “innocent
> victims”. After all, we have frequently heard that
> these formed Hitlers enforcers and that it was fear
> of them that prevented ordinary Germans from behaving
> courageously or even just decently.

Not every Gestapo official was a criminal. They were policemen
enforcing the laws of the land. By this logic, every police officer
or magistrate who upheld the “separate but equal” laws in the
Southern states was also a criminal,
>
> And while a “tit-for-tat” checklist is distasteful,
> could you inform the readers who are new how long
> after Dresden did the bombing of Guernica occur?

Why don’t you first inform the readers of the crimes committed by
the “Red Brigade” in Spain first?

> While you’re at it, you could correct any misconceptions
> below:
>
> I understand that Germany and England had been at war for
> nearly 5 1/2 years when Dresden was bombed, and that by
> this stage, cities like Coventry and London had been
> subjected to heavy and sustained bombings.

What has London and Coventry to do with the mass murder of
137,000 human beings with incendiary bombs? where are your morals
or standards? No where near this number of people was ever killed in the
bombings og England throughout the entire duration of the war. it was also
the English who first bombed civilians-most notably children in a Berlin schoolhouse
in 1940. The Luftwaffe was strictly committed to military targets until Britain began
its policy of terror bombing civilians. You speak of Coventry….let’s speak of
Nuremberg, Berlin, Koeln, Frankfurt, Aachen, Munich…..When German forces
bombed Warsaw, which the Poles had deliberately turned into a fortress, in 1939,
the German commander gave the civilians 24 hours to vacate the
city before the commencement of bombing. It was also Britain which declared
war on germany, and not vice versa. get your facts straight.
>
> I understand that at no stage in this or the last century
> have Germany and Spain ever been at war and that the
> Basques had never attacked any part of German sovereign
> soil.
>
> Corrections?
Tell me why volunteers from the US, France, Britain, Russia, etc., all
participated in the Spanish Civil War as armed combatants as well, and then
I will answer your question, if you still wish to pursue this subject.

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In order to dispel the either accidental or intentional confusion
surrounding one of my previous posts on Himmler’s alleged
speech at Posen, I would like to clarify:
I have never denied that Himmler delivered 2 speeches
within 2 days apart at Posen in October 1943. That the
speeches were interminably long seems to be the concensus
of all who attended and later commented upon the speeches.
What I am questioning and what I have always questioned is
the authenticity of the soound recording which was allegedly
taken of the speech in question. I have stated my reasons for
being skeptical of these recordings on many occasions and those
reasons are still valid as far as I am concerned. The manner in which
these recordings are said to have been found is highly suspicious,
according to the way I see it. They allegedly came from the files of
Alfred Rosenberg. Himmler’s arch-rival, by a Jewish American investigator-
one of thousands who descended upon Germany at the end of the war.
There are, needless to say, many reasons why this tape should not have
been in Rosenberg’s files. This was not a public speech. by Himmler’s
own admission, what he had to say was allegedly highly confidential and
should never be “written”-or recorded for that matter.
The recording was almost immediately sent to a Jewish agency in New York
upon discovery, before it was ever offered in evidence at Nuremberg. There
is little doubt that the incriminating passages could have been the work of a
clever interpolator, and this would not be the first time such methods were
undertaken to help frame a case against Germans. I expect the same
circu,spection and rigourous methods of validating this “document” as
authentic as Nizkor demands when documenting the authenticity of
“revisionist” documents. As my posts “Soviet Def Comedy Jam” have
effectively proven, the “case” against the nazis was often trumped up
out of thin air and packed with lies and ridiculous charges. As of this
date, upon examination, the 2 speeches given only 2 days apart are
quite different in style and delivery from each other, as well as not being
in agreement with Himmler’s own handwritten notes, which he referred
to throughout the speech.
The remarks of Oswald Pohl and the reaction of other Generals and
officers who were present at the speech may be found ijn Pohl’s
testimony in the “Green Series”, IMT. The remarks of one of the
General’s may be found in Butz’s book, under “Posen”, along with the
reference. Now, assuming that this speech is quoted correctly, I
would like to say that these remarks certainly are no proof of a program
to murder all the Jews of Europe. What is clear is that Himmler is speaking
about the partisan war, and the danger to German security by alleged
Jewish rabble-rousers. He alludes to the fact that in the war with the
partisans in the Soviet Union, children were shot with their parents.
It is also clear from reading Isaac Kowalski’s book, “A Secret Nazi
Press in Europe”, that children were often used by the partisans
themselves to carry bombs which often killed great numbers of German
soldiers. To expect that these crimes would go unpunished is naive,
to say the least. Apparently Himmler was of the opinion that the
youngsters, already living and working with the partisans, would always
harbor hatred and resentment against the Germans for shooting their
parents, thus he justified his order to shoot all. Though I disagree with
this personally, we can see by examining the pages of history at any
given era that the Nazis do not hold a patent on this sort of behavior.
The allies dropped tons of fire bombs on defenseless German cities in
order to kill and murder as many civilians as possible, yet had the audacity
to complain and whimper when German civilians lynched allied fliers who had
been responsible for murdering their families. Those are the simple facts, and
what this all boils down to is the fact that war is barbaric, and that barbarity
is practiced by all. The acts of the Jewish partisans were absolutely monstous,
and they left behind a legacy of murder and mutilation as well. Hunndeds of
thousands of German men, women, and children continued to be murdered
in death camps set up by all the allies for years AFTER the war in Europe
had officially ended. The Jews have no monopoly on suffering, though
their persecution was a tragedy as well, but a part of the greater tragedy as
a whole.
It might be wise to remember that over 1.5 million Jews fought as armed
combatants for the various Allied forces during the war. There were tens of
thousands of Jewish partisans as well, and they were perhaps even more
dangerous and homicidal than the Jews in uniform, as they abided by no
civilized rules of conduct, and neither did the men who fought them.
Finally, as to the speech given by Himmler to the naval commanders,
he was again referring to the partisan war and not gassings. Also, the vicious
and murderous exhortations of Ilya Ehrenburg were every bit as grisly as
any comment ever uttered by Himmler, perhaps even more so, as I have
proven in my many posts on the subject. While Theodore Kaufmann had no
power to enforce his mad plans, his published madness led to the rigid policies
implemented by the Nazis against the Jews at a later period. Also, Henry
Morgenthau did later come very close to fulfilling at least part of Kaufmann’s
mad plan through his close relationship as Roosevelt’s most trusted advisor.
If certain individuals who are devoted to Nizkor would concentrate more on
an honest appraisal of facts rather than constantly attempting to whip up
hysteria, perhaps these turbulent times in world history could be viewed in
a more objective light, and we could all get on with our lives.
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