Yale F. Edeiken writes:
> [email protected]
> > [email protected] writes:
>
> > For some reason, this post disappeared from my server, so here is a repost.
> > BTW, the header is meant to be PARODY, and NOT to be taken as
> anti-Semitic.
> > If Danny Keren, Alstine, et. al. can refer to me as “Nazi”
( I don’t know whether
> they
> > are serious), then I can post this as a headline.
>
> It’s anti-Semitic and you know it. Coupled with your distribution of
> anti-Semitic poetry, it is pretty conclusive.
Nonsense.–rb
> Yes. once you qoute the line “Boiling is the safest method.” Your
> house of cards is fairly well demolished.
>
> –YFE
, you obviously failed to “get the point”, as did
Mike Stein…….boiling the water without suitable containers for 60,000 people
was completely impractical at belsen. this is in complete agreement with the
text of the military manual. The preferred method would have been chlorination
in specially fitted dispenser bags, which could accomodate the great number of
people in the camp. The british obviously brought these items with them from their
field units. Look at the documentary produced by hitchcock and narrated by
Trevor howard, and you will see what I am referirng to here. As usual, you are
wrong, and Giwer and I are right Just when you think it is safe to enter the
water, some dumb shark comes up and bites you on the ass.
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In answering Celsus, who had brought forward certain texts of the
Old testament that decreed the death penalty for apostasy, Origin
says:
If we must refer briefly to the difference between the law given to
the Jews of old by Moses, and the law laid down by Christ for
Christians, we would state that it is impossible to harmonize the
legislation of Moses, taken literally, with the calling of the Gentiles.
For Christians cannot slay their enemies, or condemn, as Moses
commanded, the contemners of the law to be put to death by
burning or stoning.”
COMMENT:
And yet, in spite of these words spoken by Origen and re-echoed by
many other Church Fathers, the Jews accused the Christian Church of
attempting to convert or exterminate them in the so-called inquisition.
All these accusations of attempted extermination cropping up every-
where against various nations all over the world:
1. the Christians tried to “exterminate” them during the “Inquisition”.
2. They were ” unjustly” accused of poisoning the wells of Europe or
committing ritual murders, yet they were convicted in courts of law
as well as by their own confessions, which they claim were often
given under torture or duress, yet they deny that duress and torture
was used to extract similar confessions from ex-Nazis like Hoess,
Eichmann, Peiper, etc.
3. they accused the Protestants, particularly Luther of wanting to
exterminate them.
4, Now it is the Arabs who want to “exterminate” them.
5. they rebelled against the Romans they invited to defend them,
after they swore loyalty to Caesar when they manufactured the
crucifixtion of Christ. Their rebellion ended at Masada, where the
jewish defenders all committed hari-kari and slit the throats of their
own children. What was Mark Van Alstine saying about Hitler’s
end?
7. According to the Roman Historian Cassius Dio, the Jews who rebelled
again against Rome slaughtered 250,000 human beings on the island of
Cyprus and indulged in such excesses and barbarity as dancing around
camp fires adorned with the entrails of their victims. These were the same
people who vowed, :”We have no king but Caesar.”
Everywhere they cry that they are persecuted and misunderstood,
yet, by God, if the posters on alt revisionism are any sort of representation
of their co-religionists, Which, thank God, I know they are NOT,
I would have to say that they brought their problems
upon their own heads. Never have I seen a group of people who are so
hypocritical….they preach tolerance, yet they are the very essence of
intolerance on alt revisionism. they preach to others about telling the
truth, yet they are the biggest distorters and liars I have ever encountered.
They criticize every country which criticizes Israel, and they defend the most
deplorable crimes committed by their co-religionists. Where the rest of the
world can do no right, Israel can do no wrong. They preach piety and then spit
filthy epithets and slander out of the same lips. How can anyone respect
people who behave in this disgraceful fashion?
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> [email protected] (Richard Schultz) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> : > [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> : > In article <[email protected]>,
> : > [email protected] (Fafner13) wrote:
>
> : > > Barn is burned down—now we can see the moon.—-Zen Proverb
>
> : > Fafner’s pants are down, we can see its ugly zit-pocked face.
>
> : I don’t have zits. Disappointed?
>
> Whoops, I think you let the cat out of the bag on that one.
>
> I hope you’ll humor my curiosity, but have you made any contingency
> plans for when Siegfried starts posting here?
>
> —–
> Richard Schultz [email protected]
> Department of Chemistry tel: 972-3-531-8065
> Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
> —–
> “an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience”
We have reconciled, as you and the Nazis should do.
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 1 Jan 1997 08:12:48 GMT
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:
[email protected] writes:
[email protected] (Gord McFee) writes:
> How about Stangl
from Treblinka? How about Kremer? None of them are acceptable? Even where
they largely agree with each other? Why is that Mr. Blackmore?
COMMENT:
Sorry. I overlooked this in my initial reply. Stangl said that the reason the Jews were
gassed was because the Nazis wanted their money. Needless to say, they could have had their
money without gassing them. Second, Mr. Stangl was another one of those “mysterious death”
cases. He has a full “confession” with Gita Sereny, and then promptly dies of a “heart attack”
the next day…..Like Baer, former Commandamt of Auschwitz, who, by the way, also disclaimed the
gas chamber story. If they happen to agree with each other, I would have to see where…..accused
witches also agreed that they all verily kissed the devil’s merry, hairy ass.–rb
Since you keep trying to misdirect everyone, let’s get you in another
> historical distortion. Which witches claimed to have done this thing?
> Names please and a citation for verification.
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
One quite typical confession, preserved in the court records of Neuerberg,
Luxemberg, is that made by Susanna Stein (Jewish??-rb) of Wassweiler
over a 4 month period….The manuscript at Cornell includes her confession
of a visit from the Devil, who did with her as he pleased, and later an account
of her aerial trip on a broomstick to the devil’s dance.–rb
Source: Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology, Robbins, p.100.101.
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From: [email protected]
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> Doc Tavish <[email protected]> writes:
> Invictus wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 30 Dec 1996 22:52:01 +0000, Chuck Ferree <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Chuck Ferree writes:
> > >
> > > Well, I for one hope 1997 is better for the
> > >world. I hope all the deniers liars get the word from on high, and I
> > >also hope those of us who remain faithful to ourselves and the
> > >millions of Nazi victims, hang in there and kick ass. That’s my New
> > >Years Resolution.
>
> > >Through the cross hairs everybody.
> This definitely looks like a threat to me. What are the cross hairs
> referring to and who’s in the cross hairs? He is not stating if we come
> to him and find him it would be self defense- no he is stating rather a
> to kick ass and through the cross hairs as if he were going on a hunting
> trip a la vigilante style! Chuck you and Gord should be locked away in a
> place where the nuts hunt the squirrels. Through the cross hairs
> everybody sounds like a call for group action too!
> Doc Tavish
> > >Chuck
Good old kick and lick Chuck….It just depends whom we are talking of:
revisionists or nizkooks. With one he will kick ass, with the other……
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Dr. Muench, the darling of Daniel keren and Mark Van Alstine, is frequently
quoted as an alleged witness to a gassing at Auschwitz. Now, since he WAS
a doctor, and doctors were in charge of selections, I wondered how it was that
this man was spared from the gallows. I believe I have since found out:
According to Gerald Posner, Jewish author of the book, “Mengele, the Complete
Story”:
Dr. Muench was the ONLY (rb) Auschwitz doctor acquitted by the Supreme National
Tribunal in Krakow in December 1947 at a trial of SS men and claims that he knew nothing
of the details of Mengele’s experiments.
Page 42.
COMMENT: So, there it is. Muench was the ONLY doctor acquitted. Apparently he decided
to play along with the authorities and gave just as much testimony as was required of him to
convict his comrades. For his testimony, Muench was freed. He “plea bargained”. Even his
testimony about the gas chambers is absurd…he only “witnessed” it….Curiously, today he
refuses to acknowledge any of the horror stories circulating about his erstwhile colleague,
Mengele, yet still clings to the rumored gas chamber tales, and I believe I know why:
Imagine how his reputation would be destroyed in the eyes of many of his fellow
countrymen were he to admit that he plea-bargained with the Poles, was set free,
while other men, former colleagues, were hanged on the basis of his gas chamber testimony.
For his own self-esteem, he has no other choice but to uphold the lie and justfy his role in the
deaths of so many of his colleagues.–rb
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[email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
[email protected] writes:
It’s anti-Semitic and you know it. Coupled with your distribution of
anti-Semitic poetry, it is pretty conclusive.
Nonsense.–rb
Sorry. You are dead wrong and you know it.
I know you are but what am I?
Yes. once you qoute the line “Boiling is the safest method.” Your
house of cards is fairly well demolished.
, you obviously failed to “get the point”, as did
Mike Stein……
“Boiling is the safest method.”
.boiling the water without suitable containers for 60,000 people
was completely impractical at belsen. this is in complete agreement with the
text of the military manual.
“Boiling is the safest method.” Now please document your assertion that
the water could not have been boiled. Kramer had a complete kitchen complex he
was not using.
COMMENT:
Of course water could have been boiled, but they had no equipment to boil water
for 60,000,000 people! Now, as I previously mentioned, if the british gave the river
water without boiling or filtering it to thousands of people whose health was seriously
compromised by severe intestinal illnesses, then they must shoulder the responsibility
for the thousands of inmates who died after the liberation. One kitchen complex would not have
sufficed to boil enough water to serve 60,000 people. Also, Mr. Giwer is again right when
he states that the water shortage was only of a very short duration—people cannot survive without
water…..so the shortage must only have been of a few days duration. In between, Kramer
arranged for the rapid surrender of the camp to the bristish,who should have given him a
MEDAL. However, it appears that what they did do was given bacteria infected water to
thousands of inmates seriously compromised by life threatening illnesses. When these
people died, the British placed Kramer on trial for it.–rb
>
> > The preferred method would have been chlorination
> > in specially fitted dispenser bags, which could accomodate the great number of
> > people in the camp.
>
> “Boiling is the safest method.” Chorination is preferred not because it is
> better but because it is cheaper, quicker, and uses less manpower. Since it was not
> available the method available had to be used. It wasn’t.
> > The british obviously brought these items with them from their
> > field units.
>
> “Obviously.” Please give us something besides your perceptions to back
> this up. If that was what the British were up to, why did they abandon that effort
> when they discovered pumping equipment in the camp.
It only stands to reason: the British carted in safe drinking water from theri mobile field
units for one week, but they didn’t have enough water to accomodate 60,000,000
people indefinitely. Obviously, while they were using up their field supplies of water,
they were looking for a solution, and decided upon the river water.–rb
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[email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected]> wrote [to Yale Edeiken]:
COMMENT:
Of course water could have been boiled, but they had no equipment to boil
water for 60,000,000 people!
I note that you repeat that figure below in text I edited out due to
the fact that it was a repetition of unsupported claims. Could you please
tell me when the camp grew from 60,000 to 60,000,000 inmates? It sounds
like the entire population of Germany was crowded into that camp at the
end.
COMMENT: Obviously, that was a typo. Odd that you should chose to
elaborate on an obvious typo. The figure was 60,000 as you well know and as
I have written many times. BYW, the population of Germany was 80,000,000.–rb
I have explained how using equipment more often makes up for the
smaller amount of equipment. I have also explained that inability to do
the whole job does not justify failing to do what you can. You never
address that point.
Had Kramer just made the effort, I think there is an excellent chance
he would have been acquitted on that one charge. (Not that it would have
> saved him, due to the other charges.) –MIKE STEIN
COMMENT: I have already answered this in a previous post. Please refer
back to it. Kramer, it is clear, did all that he could under the circumstances.–rb
>
>
> >Now, as I previously mentioned, if the british gave the river water
> >without boiling or filtering it to thousands of people whose health was
> >seriously compromised by severe intestinal illnesses, then they must
> >shoulder the responsibility for the thousands of inmates who died after
> >the liberation.-rb
>
> And if you could provide any evidence for this, you’d have some
> semblance of an argument. -MIKE STEIN
COMMENT: Use your god-given common sense. The proof is in the fact.–rb
>
> Question: how did those people get those severe intestinal illnesses
> in the first place? Have you ever considered the possibility they had
> begun drinking contaminated water _before_ the British arrived?
>
> No, such thoughts never occur to you. The _questions_ never even seem
> to occur to you.–MIKE STEIN
COMMENT:
Perhaps you will be considerate enough to allow ME to answer questions you direct
to me? The original inmates in the camp were relatively unaffected by the illnesses
seen in the tens of thousands of new arrivals dumped into Kramer’s lap. Thus, they
were obviously ill before they arrvived.–rb
> >One kitchen complex would not have sufficed to boil enough water to serve
> >60,000 people. Also, Mr. Giwer is again right when he states that the
> >water shortage was only of a very short duration—people cannot survive
> >without water…..so the shortage must only have been of a few days
> >duration.
MIKE STEIN:
>
> Except that everyone agrees there was always plenty of water. Water,
> water, everywhere – just not a drop safe to drink. Corpses in the
> cisterns and all. If you’re really thirsty, you might drink it anyway.
> You won’t die of dehydration – not immediately. You’ll just get some
> nasty intestinal illnesses.
>
> Say, what was it you said all those inmates were suffering from?–MIKE STEIN
COMMENT:
Your logic is faulty. The arrivals were already seriously ill when they arrived at Belsen.
This was not Kramer’s fault. He was dumped upon. The water shortage must have lasted
only a few days, and in this interim Kramer arranged for a surrender of the camp to the British,
who used it as propaganda, as you do today.–rb
> >In between, Kramer arranged for the rapid surrender of the camp to the
> >bristish,who should have given him a MEDAL. However, it appears that
> >what they did do was given bacteria infected water to thousands of
> >inmates seriously compromised by life threatening illnesses. When these
> >people died, the British placed Kramer on trial for it.–rb
MIKE STEIN:
>
> Mr. Curtis has tried to remind you of two points: Hoessler did more
> than Kramer – he tried harder – and Kramer was charged with more than just
> neglecting to provide food and water for his inmates.–MIKE STEIN
COMMENT: Mike Curtis has no love or respect for Hoessler. he simply attempts
to use him, as he uses Herta Ehlert and a host of others to bolster sagging arguments.
How was Hoessler rewarded for his efforts? hanging…..and continuous libel….Let us
not become distracted by the original context of this thread…We are discussing the
]water and Kramer’s role in all of this.–rb
>
> And how _did_ all those inmates get those life-threatening illnesses
> in the first place? You needn’t explain the typhus, that is well
> understood, but the gastroenteritis would be a good start. MILE STEIN
COMMENT:
It is quite clear that the inmates had already been deprived of water on the long
journey to the camp, where they were simply dumped on Kramer. When the
bombing disrupted Kramer’s water supplies, he did what he could as fast as he
could to turn the camp over to the British, who then took over the problems dumped
into Kramer’s lap. The fact that the orignal inmates in the camp were relatively healthy
upon liberation proves that kramer did look after those initially under his charge.
You can obviously see all of this. You are an intelligent person, yet you refuse to
acknowledge the truth. I find this disconcerting, as I had always had a respect for
you. –rb
[remainder deleted as it is merely a repetition of the unsupported claims
that the original supply of water came from the British, not just the
carts]
COMMENT; Use your god-given common sense Michael. It is obvious that the water did
NOT come from the river during the first week of liberation. It came from water carts from the
British field kitchens. Water which was already potable.–rb
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Gord McFee <[email protected]> writes:
[email protected] wrote:
I don’t believe I ever wrote that ALL the witnesses were unacceptable.
It depends who they are and what they had to say and the circumstances
of their interrogations, etc.
That’s what you say, but in fact, you always dismiss *every* witness for
the Holocaust, whether they be Germans, Jews or others, yet you accept
anything that any of the denier witnesses say without question. I find
that a bit biased.
COMMENT: If what you write above were true, you would be correct, but
the factis that I have not dismissed every witness. It simply depends on what
seems credible or not under the circumstances. There are indeed witnesses
I find to be credible. Read my Good Old Days posts. I feel that I was quite fair
in my presentation of the material. It is clear that Jews always dismiss every witness
to Ritual Murder…..And I do not accept anything that deniers say without question.
I question everything. I have disagreed with “deniers” beofre, especially as to the
meaning of ausrottung, and other issues.–rb
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[email protected] (ibokor) writes:
In article <59hp12[email protected]>, <[email protected]> wrote:
Let’s go another round on this—-the Poles called the Jews Poles, is that it?
It doesn’t change the fact that the millions referred to were not Poles but Polish
Jews….entienda…? Quibble, quibble…..rb
No, as I have posted several times — and if you can
neither recall nor find the posting, I’ll repeat it —
“Polea”s and “Polish citizens of Jewish origin” were
isted separately, as were Jews from other nations.
OK. Now give us a breakdown of figures.–rb
If you were to follow your own advice and
use Deja-news, you’ll find it.
If not, I’ll re-post it.
It has been a number of days since I pointed
out that you had misattributed my words to
Charles Power and vice versa in an attempt to
ruin his public reputation and to justify your
> bogus claim that I have “called you names”.
>
> In that posting you were given the opportunity
> to apologise publicly or, failing to do so,
> face the consequence of being a publicly
> self-acknowledged fraud. Which is it to be?
COMMENT:
I don;t know what you are talking about here. Please repost
the original. If such occurred it was only due to error or confusion
in following the thread, and certainly not due to any “attempts to
ruin his reputation”. he seems to be doing that all on his own just fine.–rb
From [email protected] Thu Jan 2 05:45:44 PST 1997
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Hoess, doubly a victim of the victors
Date: 1 Jan 1997 06:59:58 GMT
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[email protected] (John Morris) writes:
In <[email protected]>, Matt Giwer ([email protected])
posting as [email protected] (Doc Tor) wrote:
On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 22:26:09 GMT, [email protected] (John
Morris) wrote:
snip
Nevertheless, I am aware of your strongly-held belief that your
opponents do post falsehoods, and I can give you one good reason to be
different from what you believe your opponents to be: you might be
interested in the truth.
John Morris <[email protected]>
at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
The Nizkor Project | https://nizkor.org/
>>>>
Listen to Mr. “Righteous” Morris…a Scheinheiliger if I ever saw one….
a man mouthing platitudes without any conviction or intention of
upholding them himself. In fact, a vile slanderer, who slanders not
only my person, but my family as well. it shows the nature of the heart–
black, vengeful, and bestial. He has thrown down the gauntlet, and I shall
accept the challenge. I also can call names, but rather than do that, which
would lower me down to his level, which apparently lies below the foulest and
deepest circles of Dante’s Hell, I shall merely step up my posting exposing the
Holocaust lies and so prepare the way for the complete and utter devastation of
the greatest lie in world history.
From [email protected] Thu Jan 2 05:45:45 PST 1997
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: ‘Let them die, why should you care?’
Date: 31 Dec 1996 19:29:33 GMT
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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Fafner13) wrote:
You really are a silly fool Mark. Ladies and gentlemen–meet Mark Van
Alstine, who relies on old legends and hate filled old wives tales
repeated both during and right after the war in order to bolster his
sinking Holocrap ship. He ignores all current new evidence, as he must,
as it refutes every lie he reiterates with a blank face. He is sinking
with his precious ship of fools and worthless, lying witnesses. Soon he
will be out of a profession.
Actually folks, meet Mr. Belling, the anti-Semitic lying scumbag Nazi
apologist. He’s now playing at being a “brave” Nazi by coming back to lie
another day (with a new nym) after first running hastily away….
COMMENT:
Actually, Mark, No. What you call “running away” was simply a disruption in
my service. As to your post, the pathology report you posted is a fraud, as is
made clear by Clay’s admission. It is only one little fraud among many, yet they
all add up to one big FRAUD, which people like you try to keep perpetuating.
There never were lampshades or any other items made of human skin. There
never were any shrunken heads of inmates. Speaking of shrunken heads, have
you looked in the mirror lately? Yours appears to be shrinking fast. All that will be
left of you is a talking ass……
From [email protected] Thu Jan 2 05:45:45 PST 1997
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: “Muench” on this
Date: 2 Jan 1997 08:18:02 GMT
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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
Dr. Muench, the darling of Daniel keren and Mark Van Alstine…
Mr. Belling, given that a check of DejaNews will show that I’ve yet to
directly comment on the activities of Dr. Muench at all, I find your claim
that Dr. Muench is my “darling” because he witnessed “a gassing at
Auschwitz” rather specious.
COMMENT:
My apologies. However, it is far from certain that Muench ever witnessed a “gassing”
of human beings at Auschwitz.–rb
But then, you _are_ an anti-Semitic _lying_ scummbag Nazi apologist, Mr.
Belling….
COMMENT: Of course I am neither an anti-Semite, nor a liar, nor a scumbag
Nazi apologist. Happy New Year.
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From: [email protected]
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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Fafner13) wrote:
Barn is burned down—now we can see the moon.—-Zen Proverb
Fafner’s pants are down, we can see its ugly zit-pocked face.
I don’t have zits. Disappointed?
Once more our Mr. Belling confirms that he runs away to come back and lie
another day -under a different nym. Such a “brave” Nazi Mr. Bellig is!
COMMENT:
As usual, Mark’s comments are mundane and irrelevant.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: A message from jbelling
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Fafner13) wrote:
>
> > No, I didn’t. You are having serious problems figuring out who
> > said what. I may have been involved in the thread, but I did not
> > write the words to which you were replying. Do try to figure out
> > to whose mail you are replying.
> >
> > And yes, you are an asshole.
> > Well, it takes one to know one.–
>
> Er, no. One does not need to be one to simply recognize that _you_, Mr.
> Belling, are indeed one!
>
> For those interested in proof of Mr. Belling’s increasingly irrelevant
> Nazi apologia, intellectual dishonesty, anti-Semtism, and outright lies,
> please visit:
>
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph Broken link
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996 Broken link
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096 Broken link
> https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1196 Broken link
> Mark
> ——————————————————————————–
> “Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties–but
> right through every human heart–and all human hearts.”
>
> — Alexander Solzhenitsyn, “The Gulag Archipelago”
> ————
>>>>
Mark, try to control your anal compulsions.
From [email protected] Thu Jan 2 05:45:48 PST 1997
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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MArk Van Anal Stink wrote:
SNIP
COMMENT: You are a creature of another era, Mark. You may
rehash all the old anti-nazi war fiction stories as often as you like,
but your Holocaust is on the way out into the sewage bin of
history.
From [email protected] Thu Jan 2 05:45:49 PST 1997
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
SNIP
COMMENT: All of your comments were amusing, as usual.–rb
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:
I’m not sure who is evading here, but I think I asked _you_ : “Define
proof. Define exactly the “evidence” that you would call
evidence.” You answered Mark’s post but not my own. This is what was
expected however, for this is the question that further sinks silly
deniers and the silly fearful denier groups. Readers will note that
none of the denier groups are ever present in this conference.
Mike Curtis
E-mail [email protected]
Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>>>>
COMMENT: I clearly gave you something I would regard as proof–the reports
your colleague has failed to deliver for months now.–rb
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COMMENT: No, Mr. Belling is not being evasive. What he IS doing is not
taking up valuable time to repost something that has already ben posted.–rb
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> Gord McFee <[email protected]> writes:
> > He doesn’t need evidence! Blackmore just chooses NOT to believe this
> > witness because it interferes with his denial game. To hell with
> > substantiation and in this case the rule of legal testimony.
>
> That’s his game and that is the game all of them play. It’s the same
> approach that has them refuse the testimony of *every* witness, unless
> the witness happens to support the denier point of view.
>
> Don’t forget, Grese and every other SS person was tortured beyond words
> until they would say anything that the evil Allies wanted. This
> happened both after and during the war.
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>>>>Comment: I will simply state that I am not playing a game. I will state
that none of the defendants at the Belsen Trial were given a fair trial. they
were given the semblance of a fair trial. I never implied that grese was tortured.
Her testimony exonerates her in any event, looking at it today. And the testimony
of those who testified against her is revealed as being contrived and plain old
perjury, to which murder must now be added, as their false testimonies led to the
deaths of many innocent people. When have any of you people ever acknowledged
an obvious truth? Very rare….rb
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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
I do, Mr. Belling. That is why, for instance I find Kramer’s conviction
and sentance more than justified.
COMMENT: You would.
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Subject: Jewish Argumentation
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Bartholomew, Bishop of Exeter, wrote in his 12th century “Dialogue against the Jews”:
The chief cause of disagreement between ourselves and the Jews seems to me
to be this: they take all the old testament literally, whenever they can find a literal
sense, unless it gives manifest witness to Christ. Then they repudiate it, saying that
it is not in the Hebrew truth, that is in their books, or they refer it to some fable, as
they are still awaiting its fulfillment, or they escape by some other serpentine wile,
when they feel themselves hard-pressed. They will never accept allegory, except when they
have no other way out.”
COMMENT: It seems as if their methods of argumentation have not changed
over the centuries, except now Christ is replaced by the Holocaust.
From [email protected] Thu Jan 2 05:45:53 PST 1997
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Immanuel Tremellius, converted by Alessandro Farnese, later Pope Paul III,
observed in his handbook of Hebrew for missionaries to the Jews:
“I have been extremely careful not to draw words and phrases from the rabbis dirt,
but I have adhered to that kind of speech in which the divine oracles were written.”
COMMENT: I wonder what sort of “dirt” he was referring to?
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Subject: The Pilpul Shel Hevel
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The traditional Talmudic mode of argument, the pilpul shel hevel, is
aregumentation based on analogy and approximation and not on the syllogism,
the basis of classical logic. The pilpul is the quintessentially Jewish mode of
argumentation. It is the basis for all Talmudic discourse. Suspending time and
space, it confronts the opinions of all authority, seeking the moment of resolution
hidden within seemingly contradictory positions.
And so we learn the methods of argumentation on alt. revisionism.
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Subject: The Book of Thieves
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In 1528 Luther republished a little volume that had first appeared in
1512 in Augsburg. Entitled Liber vagatorum, (Book of Thieves), it
was reputed to be a catalogue of the various orders of thieves and
tricksters who infested the German countyside. Luther’s introduction is one
of the first claims that htis thieves jargon “has come from the Jews, for many
Hebrew words occur in the vocabulary, as anyone who understands that
language may perceive.”
There seems to be little doubt that Jewish criminals of the period used
a thieves cant laced with Hebrew and created maps employing Hebrew
characters. When the thief Andreas Hempel and his gang was arrested
in Saxony in 1687, in the investigation that followed, a glossary of thieves
jargo was compiled for the first time. Such lists became more and more
common in the beginning of the 18th century, until a virtual lexicon of thieves
cant, often with the Hebrew originals, had been compiled. The Hebrew words
provided a secret code for the thief within the world of German speakers.
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[email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
In article <5absbq[email protected]>, <[email protected]> wrote:
[email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
CHLORINATION-
Chlorination is the method of choice
for economic and taste reasons, not safety reasons.
COMMENT: Wrong. For safety as well as logistic reasons.–rb
No, “boiling is the safest method” according to your own source. Now
you are actively starting to lie.
COMMENT: Now, Mr. Stein, you are beginning to sound like the rest of your
colleagues….Perhaps all these manouvers are thought out in advance? At
any rate, chorinating the water will make it potable. It seems clear that boiling
would be the safest method, yet I have read another source which stated that
not all forms of bacteria may be eradicated by boiling. This source is what I
based my initial claim on. Now, I will need to locate the source again and
post it. In any event, my general arguments are still valid, boiling or no boiling.
It would help if you did not attempt to elaborate or expand upon what is written
and suggested in the manual. It clearly states that Chlorination is the method of choice.-rb
(snip)
> It was you who initially concentrated your apology for Kramer’s failure
> to boil on the fact that it was ineffective. You also dishonestly fail to
> come to terms with what I have written about the overall situation at
> Belsen. I have admitted on more than one occasion that it is likely that
> Kramer’s efforts would not have been 100% successful. But I have also
> pointed out that this does not excuse making a 0% effort. You have never
> addressed this point.–MIKE STEIN
COMMENT: I have already explained why I argued about the boiling. Now, aside
>from that I have presented further argument that the water would not only need to
have been boiled, but in such quantities as could accomodate 60,000 people. Kramer
did not have the facilities for this project, in a camp that was constructed to
accomodate only a small fraction of that number, yet Mr. Giwer is undoubtedly correct when he mentioned
that the water problem was probably a very short term emergency, lasting perhaps 3 days or
so….Kraner immediately arranged for the peaceful surrender of the camp–therefore, he did
what he could. So, your remark about Kramer doing nothing to alleviate the condition
is based upon faulty logic. It is you and your advocates who fail to acknowledge that
Kramer was “dumped upon” by authorities in higher positions in the Concentration
Camp system.–rb
> You are also very, very dishonest in pretending that “little tin cups”
> were all that were available. Before the situation at Belsen went to
> hell, it had functional kitchens. What happened to the cookpots? You now
> resort to hysterical exaggerations about the situation. Despite your
> repeated claims about who is winning all the arguments, I think this gives
> a pretty good indication that you know you are in an untenable position.
> If you really had a good argument, you wouldn’t have to lie about “little
> tin cups.”–MIKE STEIN
COMMENT: The kitchens you mention were meant to accomodate the original estimated
inmates in the camp, as you well know. They did not have the facilites nor material to
handle this massive influx of ill prisoners. Kramer was dumped upon; he was a scapegoat
for both sides. BTW, I am not the hysterical type, I think these comments I have made
once again clearly reveal that it is not I nor Mr. Giwer who are the losers in this little
debate….rb
It is clear that you have failed the exam–rb
“Boiling is the safest method.” – Blackmore’s source
“[Chlorination is the method of choice] for safety reasons.” –
Blackmore
AS WELL AS LOGISTICAL.–rb
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In “The Burning Mirror”, converted Jew Johannes Pfefferkorn wrote:
The Jews must be made to hear the word. Where this is not done nor wished
to be done, it is perhaps because of the deeds of a few Christians who look
through their fingers rather than see. These take presents and bribes from
the Jews……Thus one must reform and punish the Jews for the greater glory
of God and the community. Not that one should murder them nor destroy their goods.
Rather one must treat them legally and take their goods and give them to those whom
they belong and from whom they have been taken……One must drive the old Jews out
like dirty dogs and baptize the young children as one has already done with them in many
places.”
Pfefferkorn further advocated that the Jews be exiled from all major
German cities.
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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
SNIP
COMMENT: I took the liberty of snipping your irrelevant propaganda lifted
>from the Danuta Czech book save for the example below:
Given, for example, that it took _six_ days between (July 18 to July, 24,
1940) the time SS Major General Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski ordered the
execution of cilivian workers in connection to the escape of Tadeusz
Wiejowski, and when Ho”ss recieved written confirmation of Bach-Zelewski’s
order, it would indeed appear that the immediate flogging of prisoners who
were _suspected_ of aiding Tadeusz Wiejowsk escape _was_ done without the
advance approval by “by authorities in Berlin.” (cf. Ibid. pp.17,19,24.)
COMMENT: So happy you broought this subject up. The fact is, none of the
people mentioned above were ever executed, as the execution was prohibited
by Berlin, even though Hoess wanted to have them executed.–rb
BTW, I also took the liberty of excising the rest of your comments as they were
irrelevant and insipid.
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As we all know, Karl Marx was a Jew, the son of a rabbi. Here are some
of his comments in a letter to Friedrich Engel, his provider:
“You know that Heine is dead, but did you know that Ludwig Simon
of Trier had pissed on his grave–I meant to say, passed water–in the New
York New Times edited by the former lion of the retired parliament of the
German Nation. The poet or troubador of the Jew-broad high-shit, high-ash,
or high-lime of Frankfurt on the Main discovers, of course, that Heine was no poet.
He had “no soul,” he was “full of meanness,” and he did not only insult Kobes the
first but also Boerne’s lady friend, the great Boerne’s mouse, or muse, or cunt, Mrs.
Strauss.”
Karl marx and Friedrich Engels, collected works, v. 29, p.38, 39.
All the above written, according to Marx, in “Jewish-nasal style.”
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[email protected] (ibokor) writes:
There was discussion recently on the death of Primo Levi.
A documentary was produced for Dutch television and
shown on the SBS network in Australia a while ago
— the subtitles bore a 1993 copyright notice.
According to this programme, Primo Levi died on
11th April 1987 after falling/jumping down the
stairwell of the house in which he had been born
and in which he still lived. The building has
five storeys.
According to various friends, relatives and business
colleagues attested to his having had a number of
problems: he had undergone several operations, had
suffered recurring bouts of depression, had a paralytic
mother and an ill mother-in-law.
He was very disturbed by the emergence and increased
activity of the deniers.
COMMENT: Why? they were catching up with his lies?
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> [email protected] (Aviatorp47) writes:
> Aviator wrote:
>
> Lil tommy had a burst of honesty and I missed it. Cheez a guy can’t even
> go to the toilet without missing tommt’s profound stuff
> The Holocaust Happened, Get Used to It !!!
This sounds like Chuck Feree talking…..
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In 1239, Pope Gregory IX received a bill of particulars against the Talmud
>from a Dominican brother of La Rochelle, Nicholas Donin. Donin, a Jewish
convert, described the Talmud as a work that mocked Christianity and pre-
sented a flase image of Christ. Donin, in his appeal to the Pope, based his
claims upon the special knowledge that only a Jew could have of these books
as well as on the insight that only a convert could bring to this knowledge……
The Pope ordered both the secular and the religious powers within Europe to seize
and examine the Talmud. The result was a public debate held in Paris between
representatives of the Church and of the French Jewish Community…..In June 1244
the :heretical Talmud” ….was burned publicly in Paris and Rome.
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> [email protected] (Aviatorp47) writes:
> Mauthausen had the reputation, even among the SS as one of the meanest
> Nazi camps of all. And it had it’s own gas chamber which was used often.
> The Holocaust Happened, Get Used to It !!!
Chuck–go back to your old handle.
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:
Mark Van Alstine) wrote:
And your evidence of such is what exactly, Mr. Belling?
rblackmore writes:
COMMENT:
I don’t need evidence. I said I don’t believe her.
He doesn’t need evidence! Blackmore just chooses NOT to believe this
witness because it interferes with his denial game. To hell with
substantiation and in this case the rule of legal testimony.
COMMENT: Pot. Kettle. Black. Since when have you ever provided evidence for
anything except your own ignorance.–rb
It is up to you to provide
evidence that what she alleged was true.–rb
No, we do not. The Judges believed this particular witness or they
didn’t. The judges did believe the presentation and the defense was
unable to restore their client by impeaching the witness. Your
opinions do not matter a twig in this discussion. We are already aware
of your bias and inclinations. What you use to back up your opinion is
of much more value here that an empty “because I say so” argument.
A pattern was presented for the accused Grese that was unique to her
and to the other accused. As a pattern grows and more people testify
as to what they saw then the picture the defense has to overcome is
clear. This they were unable to do.
COMMENT: Your judges were simply no better than wild west hanging
judges who didn’t give a rat’s ass about examining evidence in this trial.
If they did, the Germans would either have been acquitted or else received
low prison terms, depending on the case. As it is, your witnesses should have
been charged with perjury. As they were not, it tells us quite a bit about the
low standard of evidence required to hang Germans after the war—in this case-
NONE at all.–rb
Anal Stine:
it was not provided at the Belsen
trial, so I doubt whether you shall provide it today. As it is, I am still waiting for
the Larson autopsy reports……rb
The case was made conclusively at the Belsen trial no matter how much
you whine. Yale has told you where to find the reports so go and get
them.
COMMENT: No, it will not work this way. YOU offered to produce the reports,
and then reiterated the promise when Mike Stein drew it to your attention. Where are the
reports? More fakes, frauds, lies, and your refusal to provide the evidence proves it,
otherwise you would have shut me up a long time ago…..You can’t, because you know you
cannot produce what you have promised.–rb
I happen to know that gratuitous beatings of inmates at Auschwitz
were strictly prohibited. –rb
Where yo there, Mr. Belling? Or are you simply _assuming_ that because
“officially” such mistreatment of prisoners was suppossedly prohibited, it
didn’t happen? How do you explain your “knowing” in light of numerous
testimonies by Nazis and inmates that such beatings took place and were
actually quite common?
COMMENT: These statements, without factual evidence, are irrelevant and prove nothing.
Yet, such beatings were indeed prohibited.–rb
The question isn’t if the rules “prohibited the beatings, but rather
if the rule was idle as far as prisoners were concerned.
Grese under prosecution questioning by Col. Backhouse:
[page 256]
Were you allowed to beat people? — No.
So it was not a question of having orders from your superiors to do
it. You did this against orders, did you? — Yes.
[Blackmore should note the above admission.]
COMMENT: I do not need to note it. If she beat people, perhaps they deserved it.
Perhaps she was attacked. perhaps they were indulging in an offensive activity.
This is no reason to give someone the death penalty. What about those Israeli
cops who admitted to beating a Palestinian prisoner to death with a baseball
bat? Have they been charged and convicted? of course not…hyopocrite.–rb
Were you the only person who beat prisoners against regulations? — I
do not know.
Did you ever see anyone else beat prisoners? — Yes.
[Then she does know that others beat prisoners against regulations.
Blackmore tries to tell us that this wasn’t a fuzzy rule in the camps.
Is Grese hedging around here?]
Did you sometimes get orders to do so? — No.
Did you give orders to other Aufseherinnen working under you to beat
prisoners? — Yes.
[Here is Grese giving orders that Blackmore continually _used_ to say
that she could not give. He just said *orders* and did not specify the
*kind* of orders. The point in this testimony is that she had no
authority to give orders to beat other prisoners and yet, she did.]
COMMENT: She could not give orders to the SS. Only to other Aufseherinnen.
However, even these orders had their limitations.–rb
Had you the right to give such authorization? — No.
[Apparently she had no fear of the consequences concerning the
violation of this rule.]
COMMENT: For beating a thief? She need not fear in that case.–rb
<end quote>
Your witness never names the alleged victim or
the alleged person who was with her.
Why should this be this required Mr. Belling? Just so that you can toss
one more stumbling block in the path of truth?
COMMENT: It would not be a stumbing bloc had she at least had a NAME for
these alleged victims. Her testimony strikes me as being hysterical and completely
fabricated.–rb
Let’s see. I wonder how many individuals named the victims they saw
blow up in the Oklahoma bombing. Names, Blackmore, were not required
by the charges unless actual names were mentioned.
COMMENT: What a foolish argument. We all know their identities. In murder trials
it is customary to produce an identity of an alleged victim.–rb
[snip]
The very idea of little Irma Grese beating people to death with her
cellophane
whip is a joke.
Ah, yes, the “cellophane” whip. But Olga Lengyel simply called it a whip
and noted that Grese “made liberal use” of it and that the prisoners’
“shrieks of pain” and “spurts of blood made her smile.” (Lengyel, _Fiv
Chimneys_, pp.103-104.) And Grese also beat her with pistol and fists as
well:
COMMENT: Olga Lengyel is a liar, plain and simple. And this is not all she lied about.–rb
COMMENT: This sounds like more fabricated, nonsense again, similar to “the angel
of Death” nonsense, which was obviously copied from the Mengele pattern and used
as a form of “artistic license” to paint the most horrifying picture possible. A droll, truthful,
report would not have sold many copies….she had to demonize her guards in a mythological
way.–rb
Did you carry a stick at Auschwitz? — Yes, an ordinary walking-stick.
Did you carry a whip at Auschwitz? — Yes, made out of cellophane in
the weaving factory in the camp. It was a very light whip, but if I
hit somebody with it, it would hurt. After eight days Kommandant
Kramer prohibited whips, but we nevertheless went on using them, I
never carried a rubber truncheon.
Sorry, Blackmore, but she carried a stick and a whip and she admitted
using them to beat internees. Next question?
COMMENT: So? A cellophane whip…ow, Mr. Peebles,,,,,no so hard!
And a stick….so what? I dare say she needed something to protect herself
with…in American prisons they generally have billy clubs, mace, guns….but
little Irma Grese is supposed to walk around unarmed and unprotected in the midst
of thousands of prisoners….don’t think so, chum.–rb
Ah, yes, second only to a wet noodle in lethality.
“…With calculated deliberation, she took her revolver from her desk and
advanced toward me. We were a striking , I, close-cropped, clad in rags,
dirty, drenched from the rain, and she with her coiffed hair, her striking
beauty, and her artful makeup. Her impeccably tailored suit showed off her
lovely figure.
COMMENT: Typical Hollywood drama. This sounds so absurd. By the way, Greses
never sported “coiffed hair” at Auschwitz. Another invention among many by your witness.–rb
She didn’t? You were there again?!
COMMENT: That was made clear at the Belsen trial, o ignorant one.–rb
Sounds more like female jealousy here.
“‘You swine,’ she hissed between her teeth. I cringed from the cold barrel
of her revolver as she passed it over my left temple. I felt her hot
breath. ‘You’re afraid, aren’t you?’
COMMENT: Listen to the dialogue again….”You swine, she HISSED between
her teeth. I CRINGED from the COLD BARREL of her revolver……More artistic license,
the descriptions are direct out of a Peter Lorre film……and revolvers were not standard issue
to concentration camp overseers…another lie.–rb
Fabrications just flow from Blackmore’s.
COMMENT: The truth hurts sometimes, doesn’t it?–rb
[page 256 of _The Belsen Trial_]
You affected heavy top-boots and you liked to walk around with a
revolver strapped on your waist and a whip in your had, did you not?
— I did not like it.
COMMENT: I repeat–revolvers were not standard issue to German guards.
They were issued 9 mm. Get the original german word for revolver used at the
trial and I will bet 100 to 1 that “revolver” was not the word used. It could not
have been. It was probably translated as “pistole”.–rb
[Ahh, but she did it. He had the boots, she had the whip and she had
the revolver, folks, but the poor girl did not like it.]
You thought it very clever to have a whip made in the factory and even
when the Kommandant told you to stop using it you went on, did you
not? — Yes.
[A resounding YES echos through the halls of justice. The Witness
admits disobeying orders from her comanding officer!]
COMMENT: Yes, a cellophane whip…It might just as well as been made of
jello. Now, are you saying that Ms. Grese deserved the death penalty
for obtaining items with which to defend herself? Sure, you are.–rb
What was this whip really made of? — Cellophane paper plaited like a
pigtail. It was translucent like white glass.
[The Nazi Grese is proud of this illegal whip.]
The type of whip you would use for a horse? — Yes.
Then most of these prisoners who said they saw you carrying a riding
whip were not far wrong, were they? — No, they were not wrong.
[Oops. Who is Blackmore going to believe now?]
COMMENT: I have no problem with this. She should have been issued
with a bigger stick, as far as I am concerned.–rb
Did the other Aufseherinnen have these whips made too? — No.
[This goes to my point above that Grese was unique in this respect.]
It was just your bright idea? — Yes.
[She did this thing all by her lonesome.]
In Lager “C” you used to carry a walking-stick, too, and sometimes you
beat people with the whip and sometimes with the stick? — Yes.
[Another resounding YES!]
<end quotes>
COMMENT: So? What are you trying to prove? That carrying items to defend oneself
is a crime worthy of the death penalty? Foolish man.–rb
COMMENT: Of course, what else could come after the scenes depicted above, but
Irma Grese dispatching people to the rumored “gas chambers”…It is obvious Olga
was hoping for a movie contract bid with those descriptions. Send it on to Spielberg,
it ought to be more humorous than Schindler’s list, and that was a riot.–rb
There is nothing humorous about these appalling events.
COMMENTS: They are indeed humorous because they are total fabrications.–rb
What Grese only got from rumor this woman knows about even though
she never saw one either.
Grese was innocent.
Grese was a sadistic torturer who selected prisoners for death in the gas
chambers at Auschwitz.
COMMENT: Because YOU say so…..rb
Because she admitted to it, acted the part and her defense could not
overcome the evidence against her.
COMMENT: She never admitted any such things. Stop putting words into other
people’s mouths. There was no evidence against her. None. Zero. Zilch. She
was a martyr.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: The Joys of Yiddish
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In 1699 Johann Christoph Wagenseil published his “Instruction in the
Jewish-German Manner of Reading and Writing”. In it, he wrote:
The Jews have dealt with no language as “sinfully” as one says, as with
our German language. They have given it a totally foreign intonation and
pronunciation. They have mutilated good German words, they have
tortured them, they have inverted their meaning as well as invented new words
unknown to us. They have mixed innumerable Hebrew words and turns of
phrase into German, so that if one heard them speaking German, one would
believe that they spoke pure Hebrew, since the listener could understand
almost none of the words. Also, they have published not a small number of
books in this gibberish in Hebrew letters, and everyday even more are printed.
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Origen addresses the Jews
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> Chuck Ferree <[email protected]> writes:
> I can prove it. I saw it. I even went inside, and someone took my
> picture. I could smell the Zyklon B. It sorta smelled like cheap Gin.
>
> Chuck
>
>>>>COMMENT: And you lived to tell about it, just as all the other
survivors did. Thanks for the tip.
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: A message from jbelling
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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
Mark, try to control your anal compulsions.
More apropos would that Mr. Belling control _his_ anal compulsions by
holding his tongue!
COMMENT: One day, Mark may grow up….how old are you Mark?
I ask the browser to scan Mark’s comments throughout the newgroup, and see
how often he makes reference to things anal and so forth…..even his name seems
to have predestined him for this particular perversion. Note: Mark Van Alstine=
Mark V..anal stine
See what I mean? Cursed by fate.
From [email protected] Thu Jan 2 11:10:18 PST 1997
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From: [email protected]
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[email protected] writes:
So says a proven lair.
COMMENT: You have never proven me to be a liar. As it is, you are
the liar, for you have failed to provide the promised proof of your claim
that Dr. Larson conducted autopsies and toxicological exams on alleged
gas chamber victims at Dauchau.
As to your post, the pathology report you posted is a fraud, as is made clear
by Clay’s admission. –rb
Evidently Mr. Belling asserts, without a shred of evidence, that Major
Cares, the Chief of Pathology at the U.S. Army’s Seventh Medical
Laboratory sent a fraudlent report, dated May 25, 1945, to the commanding
general of the Third U.S. Army concerning the identification of tattoed
skin hides taken from Buchenwald.— Anal Stine
COMMENT: Without a shred of proof? General Clay admits it quite openly.
They were fakes, so report is either a fraud or Clay was lying. I opt for the
fact that your reports are frauds. And by the way, where are these alleged
skins today, that we might examine them? Not around? Now, why did I know
that already?–rb
Evidently, when faced with the forensic evidence that refutes the
“evidence” of Mr. Belling’s over-stretched imagination, he retreats to
banal and absurd accusations of fraud. Van Anal Stine
COMMENT: You have never provided any such proof.
It is only one little fraud among many,
ANAL STINE:
Yes, Mr. Belling’s banal and absurd accusations are “only one little
fraud” among his many.
COMMENT: I have perpetuated no frauds.–
…yet they all add up to one big FRAUD, which people like you try to keep
perpetuating.
> > There never were lampshades or any other items made of human skin.–rb
Van Anal Stine:
>
> Evidently, when faced with the forensic evidence that refutes the
> “evidence” of Mr. Belling’s stretched imagination, he retreats to Because
> I Say So!
COMMENT: No, because General Lucius B. Clay said so, and it was proven
so in court, according to the General.–
There never were any shrunken heads of inmates.
> > Speaking of shrunken heads, have you looked in the mirror lately?
> > Yours appears to be shrinking fast. All that will be left of you is
> > a talking ass……
>
> Evidently, when Mr. Belling’s lies and absurdities are once again exposed
> for such, he retreats to boorish insults.
COMMENT: Hypocrite. You are one of the worst name-callers in this newsgroup,
and now, like a little sissy, you shed crocodile tears.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: “Muench” on this
Date: 2 Jan 1997 08:15:18 GMT
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Gord McFee <[email protected]> writes:
[email protected] wrote:
Dr. Muench, the darling of Daniel keren and Mark Van Alstine, is frequently
quoted as an alleged witness to a gassing at Auschwitz. Now, since he WAS
a doctor, and doctors were in charge of selections, I wondered how it was that
this man was spared from the gallows. I believe I have since found out:
Even if Dr. Muench was acquitted because he plea bargained (I have no
way of verifying this and don’t think it is important in any event), why
would that necessarily invalidate his testimony, as you seem to imply?
There is lots of other evidence against the doctors of Auschwitz, and
there is tons of evidence for the gassings that occurred there. Perhaps
Dr. Muench was just trying to save his skin?
COMMENT: If he in fact did plea bargain, his testimony may or may not be invalidated.
I simply find it curious that out of all the doctors tried in regard to Auschwitz, he alone was
acquitted. Of course one may also argue that Schacht, Von Papen, and Fritzsche were
acquitted, yet, their acquittals were a foregone conclusion anyway. As to Speer, I hardly
consider a 20 year sentence plea bargaining. Another difficulty facing researchers is the
fact that none of the transcripts for these trials are available in any other language but
Polish, to my knowledge. If we had the transcripts, we could subject them to a more
detailed scrutiny. Until then, I can only speculate on the scanty material which is currently
available. At present, I feel that my suspicions are justified.–rb
If you apply your logic to main Nuremberg Trial, you would have to agree
that Speer plea bargained his way to a 20 year sentence and therefore,
his testimony is also invalid. Is that your position?
COMMENT: It is difficult to say how valid Speer’s testimony is or was. He clearly
was trying to escape the gallows; he had a family he was devoted to; it is difficult to
say. I do not accept everything Speer had to say, but that is my own opinion.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 2 Jan 1997 09:23:37 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> >> [email protected] wrote:
> Blackmore:
> >>[snip] I would have to see where…..accused
> >>witches also agreed that they all verily kissed the devil’s merry, hairy ass.–rb
> > Since you keep trying to misdirect everyone, let’s get you in another
> >> historical distortion. Which witches claimed to have done this thing?
> >> Names please and a citation for verification.
> >One quite typical confession, preserved in the court records of Neuerberg,
> >Luxemberg, is that made by Susanna Stein (Jewish??-rb) of Wassweiler
> >over a 4 month period….The manuscript at Cornell includes her confession
> >of a visit from the Devil, who did with her as he pleased, and later an account
> >of her aerial trip on a broomstick to the devil’s dance.–rb
> >
> >Source: Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology, Robbins, p.100.101.
> Well, you haven’t shown a case of kissing the devil’s ass. You are
> quite incapable of research, aren’t you Blackmore.
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>>>>
COMMENT: You get what you pay for.–rb
From [email protected] Thu Jan 2 11:10:20 PST 1997
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: For the Benefit of Mr. Kike
Date: 2 Jan 1997 09:16:02 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> And you wonder why people call you a liar?
>
> –YFE
COMMENT: They call me a liar because I truthfully quote information provided
by a researched source. They call you a liar because you are one.–rb
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[email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> Don’t just post it here. You might consider submitting it to a few
> journals. They will have the opportunity to laugh at you as well.
>
> –YFE
>
>>>>COMMENT: They won’t be laughing at me. I didn’t write it.
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 31 Dec 1996 20:32:48 GMT
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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
[email protected] (ibokor) writes:
d.A. commented on the Auschwitz National Museum:
And what exactly, Mr. Belling, is not credible about Ho”ss’s testimonies
and memoirs? What were these “vicious beatings, torture and threats to his
family,” and when did they take place?
COMMENT: His whole testimony is a fabrication, based upon torture and intimidation.–rb
And what, exactly, Mr. Belling, is not credible about Eichmann’s
testimony? You imply that the Mossad threatened his wife and family if he
did not “co-operate.” What evidence do you have of this, Mr. Belling?
COMMENT: It is my opinion, based upon reason and the circumstances, as
well as the behavior of the Mossad, which beats captives to death with baseball
bats. Eichmann, however, they needed alive, to say what they wanted him to say.
It doesn’t take a genius to figure out how and why they wanted a confession from Eichmann.-rb
….The last group: Survivors…so many lies and hysterical imaginings all
packed with inconsistencies and contradictions: 90% of them NOT CREDIBLE.
Mr. Belling, please enumrate and substantiate that 90 percent of survivor
testimony was ” many lies and hysterical imaginings all packed with
inconsistencies and contradictions.”
COMMENT: Funny you should ask. This is an on-going process on alt revisionism.–rb
What I/WE want to see is absolute forensic evidence, just like in any other
murder cases.
Who is “we,” Mr. Belling? And please subtantiate your implication that
_all_ murder cases are supported by “absolute forensic evidence.”
COMMENT: Me, myself, and I.–rb
>
> > I am not interested in your survivors tales and eyewitness testimony and
> > accusations galore. I seek and expect proof.
>
> No, Mr. Belling, you do not. You simply parrot the lies and malicious
> innuendo of other Holocaust deniers in addition to your own peurile
> fabrications. In fact, you seem to go to great pains and mental gymnastics
> to rationalize your continuous _exlusion_ of any actual proof of Nazi mass
> murder.
>
> > I know it is too much to ask. It is so much easier simply to believe
> > lies.–rb
>
> Indeed, Mr. Belling! You are a prime example of what intellectual laziness
> and immorality in service of one’s bogotry and hatred brings one to:
> anti-Semitic lying scumbag Nazi apologia.
>
> > > But sending Jews there to beome victims *was* the result of
> > > “someone’s vivid imagination”, namely that of the son of an
> > > Austrian customs official. Of course he did not initially
> > > have Auschwitz in mind as the location for such victimisation,
> > > but some people are flexible.
> >
> > What on earth are you referring to?–rb
>
> Not _what_, Mr. Belling, but _who_. That who, of course, was none other
> than your draft-dodging and comrade-abandoning hero Adolf Hilter.
COMMENT: Gosh, that’s funny…..I always thought that Hitler enlisted
in the German army and was highly decorated for bravery under fire. DO
correct me if I am in error, Mark.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
Now, I will call you a liar.
And I will call you paranoid.–rb
I rarely do this, but it is far too
obvious. Here is the post as you replied to it.
[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
What a crock o’shit Blackmore.
COMMENT: Are you implying that I wrote “What a crock o’shit, Blackmore?
If you are, I did NOT write that comment.–rb
I imply nothing. what you did was reply to a post with dissected
contents from a much prior post. that is how I see it. I find that
dishonest. Taking the phrase out of its paragraph is dishonest
COMMENT: no, it isn’t. if you wrote those words andthey happened
to end up in a reply of mine to you, it makes no difference whether it is
out of context or not. It was all part of the same thread. I leave it up
to the browsers to sort through the original threads. If that statement ended
up in an irregular spot, it is only through sheer fluke. I don’t plan for it
to turn out that way, much as you seem to think so.–rb
. But
> you do with the testimony you present. You do this with the sources
> you present. You haven’t a shred of integrity left, do you, Blackmore?
COMMENT: I have NO idea what in god’s name you are talking about,
Billy Goat Gruff……Stop trying to pick a fight. It won’t work.–rb
> You are losing so badly that you have now stooped to the last refuge
> of the denier: Everything is a fraud and no evidence is good enough.
COMMENT: Only in your mind am I losing. You will undoubtedly have the
rest of the Nizkorians who will agree with you, but I don’t pay much attention
to their opinions. After all, they are biased, as you are. I only care about
reaching the browsers with both sides of the argument and let them decide–
chips fall where they may.–rb
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
>
>>>>
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Ferdinand Lassalle on the Jews
Date: 3 Jan 1997 08:38:47 GMT
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[email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
On 2 Jan 1997 12:10:04 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
Ferdinand Lasselle, a Jew himself and a rival of Karl Marx, gives us
his impressions of the race which bore him:
“I do not like the Jews at all, I even detest them in general. I see in them
nothing but the very much degenerated sons of a great but vanished past.
As a result of centuries of slavery, these people have acquired servile
characteristics, and that is why I am so unfavorably disposed to them. Besides,
I have no contact with them. There is scarcely a single Jew among my friends
and in the society which surrounds me here in Berlin.”
{Big snip of Mr. Bellingers anti-semitism}
And what does this have to do with the Holocaust, Mr. Bellinger?
What? Nothing at all? You mean it was just an opportunity for you
to share some more of your anti-semitism with us? How
unsurprising. Did you share this little goody with your friend
Harold Covington?
>>>>
I do not know Mr. Covington. He is, I suspect, free to browse
through alt. revisionism on his own. I have my reasons for posting
this, and my non existant alleged anti-Semitism has nothing to do
with it. If anyone has demonstarated anti-Semitism, it is Lasselle.
Now, the reason for the quote? It is simply one among many I
intend to post in the future to completely confound the arguments
of Daniel Goldhagen and his ridiculous thesis that the Germans have
a “bad gene” which predisposed them to anti-Semitism. Consequently,
these quotes are now VERY relevant to the Holocaust, thanks to your
buddy Goldhagen opening the door wide enough for me to stick my foot
in……rb
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Subject: Re: Origen addresses the Jews
Date: 3 Jan 1997 09:14:53 GMT
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[email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
On 1 Jan 1997 08:02:07 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
[snip]
COMMENT:
And yet, in spite of these words spoken by Origen and re-echoed by
>many other Church Fathers, the Jews accused the Christian Church of
>attempting to convert or exterminate them in the so-called inquisition.
>All these accusations of attempted extermination cropping up every-
>where against various nations all over the world:
And what does this have to do with the Holocaust, Mr. Bellinger?
What? Nothing at all? You mean it was just an opportunity for you
to share some more of your anti-semitism with us? How
unsurprising. Did you share this little goody with your friend
Harold Covington?
COMMENT: You figure it out, if you are so clever.–rb
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Subject: Re: The Bad German “Gene”, II
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 2 Jan 1997 10:46:12 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >In “The Burning Mirror”, converted Jew Johannes Pfefferkorn wrote:
>
> >The Jews must be made to hear the word. Where this is not done nor wished
> >to be done, it is perhaps because of the deeds of a few Christians who look
> >through their fingers rather than see. These take presents and bribes from
> >the Jews……Thus one must reform and punish the Jews for the greater glory
> >of God and the community. Not that one should murder them nor destroy their goods.
> >Rather one must treat them legally and take their goods and give them to those whom
> >they belong and from whom they have been taken……One must drive the old Jews out
> >like dirty dogs and baptize the young children as one has already done with them in many
> >places.”
>
> >Pfefferkorn further advocated that the Jews be exiled from all major
> >German cities.
>
> And what does this have to do with the Holocaust, Mr. Bellinger?
> What? Nothing at all? You mean it was just an opportunity for you
> to share some more of your anti-semitism with us? How
> unsurprising. Did you share this little goody with your friend
> Harold Covington?
Ditto…until you get the point…rather than sitting on it.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: The Bad German “Gene”
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[email protected] (Michael P. Stein) writes:
In article <5ag0ig[email protected]>, <[email protected]> wrote:
Adam Gurowski, a Polish noble, observed in his 1857 memoirs that “numbers
of Jews have the greatest resemblance to the American mulattoes. […]
Would you think it rude of me to ask precisely what point you think
you are making by posting this?
Posted/emailed.
—
Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.
COMMENT: My point is in reply to Goldhagen, who, unless I am mistaken,
referred to a Bad gene in germans which made the Holocaust possible. My
“point” is to show that this “bad gene” must exist in every race and nationality–even the
Jews, who, like Marx, have often echoed the sentiments expressed by this Polish noble.–rb
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 2 Jan 1997 09:53:20 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >Adam Gurowski, a Polish noble, observed in his 1857 memoirs that “numbers
> >of Jews have the greatest resemblance to the American mulattoes. Sallow
> >carnation complexion, thick lips, crisped black hair. Of all the Jewish population
> >scattered all over the globe one-fourth lives in Poland. I am, therefore, well-
> >acquainted with their features. On my arrival in this country, (The United
> >States), I took every light-colored mulatto for a Jew.”
>
> >Source: America and Europe, Gurowski, New York, D. Appleton, 1857, p. 177.
>
> And what does this have to do with the Holocaust, Mr. Bellinger?
> What? Nothing at all? You mean it was just an opportunity for you
> to share some more of your anti-semitism with us? How
> unsurprising. Did you share this little goody with your friend
> Harold Covington?
COMMENT: Your replies are becoming tedious. Run out of insults?–rb
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Ferdinand Lasselle, a Jew himself and a rival of Karl Marx, gives us
his impressions of the race which bore him:
“I do not like the Jews at all, I even detest them in general. I see in them
nothing but the very much degenerated sons of a great but vanished past.
As a result of centuries of slavery, these people have acquired servile
characteristics, and that is why I am so unfavorably disposed to them. Besides,
I have no contact with them. There is scarcely a single Jew among my friends
and in the society which surrounds me here in Berlin.”
Karl Marx also had a few words for the Jews, and for Lasselle himself,
who he described as “the essential Jew”…..the most unGreek of all
the water pollack Jews….Itzig…..His books stink of garlic….that Jewish
Nigger, Lasselle….”
In a letter to Friedrich Engels, Marx elaborates:
Always this constant babble with the falsely excited voice, the unaesthetic,
demonstrative gestures, the didactic tone….And also the uncultivated and
horny lust of this “idealist”. It is now completely clear to me that, as his skull
shape and hair prove, he is a descendant of those Blacks who accompanied
Moses on the exodus from Egypt. (If his mother or grandmother on his father’s
side did cross with a nigger.) Now this combination of Jewishness and Germanness
upon the Black basic substance must bring forth a strange product. The pushiness
of this fellow is also nigger-like.”
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From: [email protected]
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For the benefit of Mr. Mike, who asked me for this information, in the
hopes that I would never post it. I wouldn’t want to disappoint him,
but duty to the truth necessitates it.
From: The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology, Robbins.
>From the testimony of Deniselle Grenieres:
“Men and women were suddenly transported to a meeting place,
where they found the devil in human shape, whose face was never
revealed, and who read or delivered his commandments and ordinances,
telling how they should serve him. Then he made them all kiss his backside
and gave them a few coins. Finally, he presided at a sumptuous banquet,
of which everybody partook. Then, all at once, the lights went out, and each
one took a partner and knew each other carnally. Which done, everyone suddenly
returned to the place where he or she had been originally.”
>From the testimony of Agnes Sampson, at the Scottish Witch Trials:
“the devil caused all the company to come and kiss his arse, which they
said was like cold ice.”
COMMENT: Satisfied? BTW, I wonder if that is where they kept the miller on tap….?
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> [email protected] writes:
> For the benefit of Mr. Mike, who asked me for this information, in the
> hopes that I would never post it. I wouldn’t want to disappoint him,
> but duty to the truth necessitates it.
> From: The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology, Robbins.
>
> From the testimony of Deniselle Grenieres:
>
> “Men and women were suddenly transported to a meeting place,
> where they found the devil in human shape, whose face was never
> revealed, and who read or delivered his commandments and ordinances,
> telling how they should serve him. Then he made them all kiss his backside
> and gave them a few coins. Finally, he presided at a sumptuous banquet,
> of which everybody partook. Then, all at once, the lights went out, and each
> one took a partner and knew each other carnally. Which done, everyone suddenly
> returned to the place where he or she had been originally.”
>
> From the testimony of Agnes Sampson, at the Scottish Witch Trials:
>
> “the devil caused all the company to come and kiss his arse, which they
> said was like cold ice.”
>
> COMMENT: Satisfied? BTW, I wonder if that is where they kept the miller on tap….?
Question: What did the witch say at the Devil’s Sabbath?
Answer: Same old crap on tap.
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 2 Jan 1997 10:00:05 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
Bartholomew, Bishop of Exeter, wrote in his 12th century “Dialogue against the Jews”:
The chief cause of disagreement between ourselves and the Jews seems to me
to be this: they take all the old testament literally, whenever they can find a literal
sense, unless it gives manifest witness to Christ. Then they repudiate it, saying that
it is not in the Hebrew truth, that is in their books, or they refer it to some fable, as
they are still awaiting its fulfillment, or they escape by some other serpentine wile,
when they feel themselves hard-pressed. They will never accept allegory, except when they
have no other way out.”
COMMENT: It seems as if their methods of argumentation have not changed
over the centuries, except now Christ is replaced by the Holocaust.
And what does this have to do with the Holocaust, Mr. Bellinger?
What? Nothing at all? You mean it was just an opportunity for you
to share some more of your anti-semitism with us? How
unsurprising. Did you share this little goody with your friend
Harold Covington?
COMMENT: I indicated above what this has to do with the Holocaust,
and anti_Semitism has nothing to do with it. It must really irk you that you cannot
with justification refer to me as an anti-Semite. Live with it.
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Friedrich Engels on “The Joys of Yiddish”
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[email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
On 2 Jan 1997 11:55:24 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
Karl Marx’s benefactor, Friedrich Engels, in replying to an argument made
in the Frankfurt Parliament by Adolf Stenzel, who claimed that Jews were
german because they spoke the German language, remarked:
“…these peddler Jews, their lice, and their dirt, can be forgotten because
they want to be Germans. And how do they show themselves to be Germans?
They SPEAK German in their homes. And what a German!,” Engels mocked.
“Perhaps the Prussians can lay claim to all of Europe and half of America
because “German” speaking Jews live there.”
And what does this have to do with the Holocaust, Mr. Bellinger?
What? Nothing at all? You mean it was just an opportunity for you
to share some more of your anti-semitism with us? How
unsurprising. Did you share this little goody with your friend
Harold Covington?
Same reply I gave to the Karl Marx post is valid here.- Little man,
there is much deeper significance to these posts than your trivial
comments attempted to imply.
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 2 Jan 1997 11:05:11 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >Luther wrote:
>
> >”No doubt it is necessary for the Jews to lie and to misinterpret in order to
> >maintain their error ever against such a clear and powerful text. Their
> >previous lies broke down under their own weight. But even if they were to
> >lie for a hundred thousand years and call all the devils in to aid them, they
> >would still come to nought…….However, it is impossible to convert the devil
> >and his own, nor are we commanded to attempt this. It suffices to uncover their
> >lies and to reveal the truth. Whoever is not actuated to believe the truth for the
> >sake of his own soul will surely not believe it for my sake.”
>
> >Source: Luther’s Works V. 53, p. 417.
>
> That you choose to quote Luther who was known for his
> anti-semitism is hardly surprising, Mr. Bellinger.
>
> And what does this have to do with the Holocaust, Mr. Bellinger?
> What? Nothing at all? You mean it was just an opportunity for you
> to share some more of your anti-semitism with us? How
> unsurprising. Did you share this little goody with your friend
> Harold Covington?
That your tactics of disputation and argumentation appear to
ape those of the Jews of Luther’s time, I find the quotation
rather apt. If the shoe fits, wear it, don’t try to clobber someone
over the head with it, simply because they pointed out a pertinent fact.–rb
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 2 Jan 1997 10:58:31 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >In his tract entitled “On Shem Hamphoras” Luther wrote:
>
> >”I, a damned goy, cannot understand where they have their great skill in
> >interpreting, except, perhaps, that when Judas Iscariot hung himself, his
> >bladder burst and his gut split. Perhaps the Jews had their servants there
> >with golden pots and silver bowls to catch Judas’s piss and other reliques.
> >(As they are called). Then they ate and drank the shit mixed with piss to
> >become so sharp-eyed in interpreting the Scripture. They see things in
> >Scripture that neither Isaiah nor Matthew nor all the angels saw, and
> >that we damned goys can never hope to see.”
>
> >COMMENT: And today, they apparently see things in trial testimonies
> >that others couldn’t hope to see in two lifetimes.
>
> That you choose to quote Luther who was known for his
> anti-semitism is hardly surprising, Mr. Bellinger.
>
> And what does this have to do with the Holocaust, Mr. Bellinger?
> What? Nothing at all? You mean it was just an opportunity for you
> to share some more of your anti-semitism with us? How
> unsurprising. Did you share this little goody with your friend
> Harold Covington?
Are you calling Luther an anti-Semite in the sense that he desired
the death of the Jewish people? I think NOT. What he desired
was their conversion.
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> [email protected] (Richard Schultz) writes:
> For a long time, I was wondering why Belling, Giwer, and Moran seemed
> so familiar. Then, last night, it hit me.
>
> It’s the Nairobi Trio. . .
> (mi sol la, re fa re sol, do me do fa re sol sol. . .)
> Richard Schultz [email protected]
> Department of Chemistry tel: 972-3-531-8065
> Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
> —–
> “Life is a blur of Republicans and meat.” — Zippy
Such inspiration must come to you slowly…..oh so slowly……
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[email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
On 2 Jan 1997 11:33:27 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
From an anonymous pamphlet written by a converted Jew in 1749:
“As soon as a Jewish child can speak, the following Principia and
teachings are taught him: he should protect himself from the Goyem
Erelem, or from the uncircumcised, as from the devil; he should not touch
a Trefe posel, an impure book,; he should not learn the Laschen hatuma,
Latin, nor eat nor drink with Christians, neither with a Scheketzle, a Christian
boy, nor with a Schicksel, a Christian girl.”
And what does this have to do with the Holocaust, Mr. Bellinger?
What? Nothing at all? You mean it was just an opportunity for you
to share some more of your anti-semitism with us? How
unsurprising. Did you share this little goody with your friend
Harold Covington?
Comment: Of course the words are not mine, so you cannot attribute
them to me. What I want to know is, are the comments accurate or not?
It has nothing to do with MY alleged anti-Semitism……the author of
the lines happened to be a Jew….do you accuse him of being an anti-
Semite as well? Just curious, but not yellow.–rb
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 2 Jan 1997 10:50:22 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >In his tract, “Against the Jews and their Lies”, Luther writes:
>
> >From their youth they have been so nurtured with venom and rancor against
> >our Lord that htere is no hope until they reach the point where their misery
> >makes them pliable…..Jews lie shamefully.”
>
> >COMMENT: Imagine Luther saying that…..? And he never even lived long
> >enough to read their comments on alt revisionism. Oh, well, he wouldn’t exactly
> >roll over in his grave over that one.
>
> That you choose to quote Luther who was known for his
> anti-semitism is hardly surprising, Mr. Bellinger.
>
> And what does this have to do with the Holocaust, Mr. Bellinger?
> What? Nothing at all? You mean it was just an opportunity for you
> to share some more of your anti-semitism with us? How
> unsurprising. Did you share this little goody with your friend
> Harold Covington?
No, I thought it more apropos to share with you.–rb
From [email protected] Fri Jan 3 09:09:56 PST 1997
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[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
And why, according to Mr. Belling, wasn’t the trial fair? Because Mr.
Belling says so. How droll. As if the opinion of an anti-Semitic lying
scumbag Nazi apoligist mattered.
And why was the trial fair, one might ask? Because Mark V. Anal Stink says so!
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: The revisionist standard of proof
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Michael P. Stein) wrote:
In article <5afv7j[email protected]>, <[email protected]> wrote:
[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
I’m not sure who is evading here, but I think I asked _you_ : “Define
proof. Define exactly the “evidence” that you would call
evidence.” You answered Mark’s post but not my own. This is what was
expected however, for this is the question that further sinks silly
deniers and the silly fearful denier groups. Readers will note that
none of the denier groups are ever present in this conference.
COMMENT: I clearly gave you something I would regard as proof–the reports
your colleague has failed to deliver for months now.–rb
Except that you left out the part about your only accepting it if the
report comes out the way you like. You were also shown a U. S. Army
pathology report on tanned human skin panels, and you said (with your
usual Because! I! Say! So! evidence) that the reports were frauds.
Therefore I am rather skeptical of your claim that you would accept a
report from Dr. Larsen if it did not support you.
Well, let’s find out!
Mr. Belling, do you accept the following forensic report by Dr. Larson?
<begin quote>
Subject: Investigation of Attrocities at Kauffring Camp #4 near Hulach,
Germany. (Hulach is near Landsberg).
On May 1, 1945 I inspected 286 bodies lying in the compound of the above
camp. The examination as to the cause of death was of necessity quite
superficial and hurried. The cause of death could be roughly divided into
three catagories:
1. 86 bodies were so severely burned that the burns themselves were
undoubtably the cause of death. Sworn statements of witnesses indicate
that these individuals were locked in the barracks at the compound and
that these buildings were deliberately set on fire with the attempt to
destroy all these bodies by the Germans shortly before the American troops
liberated this camp.
COMMENT: That these bodies were burnt, I do not question, if the authorities
found them in this condition. However, i accept the inmates description of the
alleged crime with reservation….I would want to hear more from the staff members
of the camp, and how this came about. If they admitted, without torture, that they
deliberately murdered these inmates, then they should have been turned over to
the German authorities for trial and punishment.–rb
2. 11 bodies were shot either in the head, chest or abdomen or in
different combinations of the above wounds sufficient to be the cause of
death.
3. 189 bodies showed no gross external cause of death. All of these
bodies, as well as those in the foregoing two classifications, were
extremely emanciated; many of them had large decubitus sores, and all were
lice-infested. According to witnesses, typhus was present in this camp and
some could have died of this disease.
COMMENT: I accept the report up to this point. Now, let’s deal with the
remainder.–rb
However, according to other reliable
testimony,
COMMENT: How do we know this testimony is “reliable”? I must reject this.
these individuals were murdered by hypodermic injection of an
unknown poison a matter of hours before the Americans liberated the camp.
The German doctor for the camp- a ‘Dr. Blanke’ -was seen to have used a
large srynge with a needle and to have injected this unknown poison into
these individuals. The result of the injection was death in from five to
20 minutes. Death was precedeeded by generalized convulsions. In a search
of the camp and of ‘Dr, Blanke’s’ home and office, no clue was found as to
the type of poison used. From some autopsies performed, the brain and
portions of the liver, the spleen, the heart and one kidney were retained
for transmission to the First Medical Laboratory in Paris for
toxicological exanimation to determine the type of administered. (Author’s
Note: Major Larson later recieved reports from FML in Paris that the
organs he had sent in for toxicological examination on three autopsied
cases were _negative_ for all poisons.)
COMMENT: Ha!! Negative for ALL poisons! And yet his “reliable witnesses”
said otherwise, and he was inclined to believe them. At least you were honest
enough to post this. the “reliable” witnesses turned out to be unreliable when put
to the test.–rb
In one autopsied case the
individual had pulmonary tuberculosis which was bilateral and rather far
advanced. There was no gross cavitation, and about
75 percent of the lung tissue contained air and was not completely
replaced by the tuberculosis except for some recent bronchogenic
dissemination. No focal tuberculosis was found in other organs of the
body. This autopsy was performed under field conditions with no water
available.
The testimony suggested that some of those poisoned recieved injections
over the heart. No needle wounds were observed on the heart in the cases
autopsied.
COMMENT: No poisons. No puncture wounds. No crime. False witnesses.
These people could have died from natural causes.–rb
Dr. Blake committed suicide a few minutes before the Americans arrived in
town and, according to testimony, his death was due to poisoning
self-administered, supposedly the same type used on the prisoners in the
compound. He aslo murdered his wife by the same means before taking his
own life.
COMMENT: Another of those “mysterious ” German “suicides” using the same
“poison” they failed to uncover in any of the corpses.
Thirt-one additional bodies were found in the woods lying on the ground
in a somewhat scattered position a few hundred yards from the compound.
Superficial examination of these bodies showed that 17 of them had died as
a result of gunshot wounds; mostly multiple and probably from machine gun
fire as whole extremities were amputated on some. Fourteen of these bodies
showed no visable external cause of death and were also supposed to have
been poisoned. Numerous photogrphs were taken to corrborate this report.
SIGNED: Major C.P. Larson, M.C.
Pathologist (50th General Hospital)
D.S. with War Crimes Team 6823.
<end quote>
Source: McCallum, “Crime Doctor: Dr. Charles P. Larson, world’s foremost
medical-detective, reports from his crime file_, p. 57-58.
See also: https://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/kauffring/dr-larson Broken link
Well, Mr. Belling, _do_ you accept the above report by Dr. Larson?
COMMENT: Based upon YOUR word that this is a true and valid document,
yes, and no attempt at cheap trickery, a la Charles Power,
I accept it with the reservations I posted. Now, when will you post the
autopsy and toxicological reports from Dachau? And I still think that we should
hear the Germans explanation about what actually happened at this camp–rb
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From: [email protected]
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Gord McFee <[email protected]> writes:
[email protected] wrote:
Comment: I will simply state that I am not playing a game. I will state
that none of the defendants at the Belsen Trial were given a fair trial. they
were given the semblance of a fair trial.
And on what is this based? Simply because you say so?
COMMENT: Of course not. it is based upon an educated opinion after I read the
trial proceedings as well as researched the manner in which Germans were
usually treated after capture.–rb
I never implied that grese was tortured.
Her testimony exonerates her in any event, looking at it today. And the testimony
of those who testified against her is revealed as being contrived and plain old
perjury, to which murder must now be added, as their false testimonies led to the
deaths of many innocent people. When have any of you people ever acknowledged
an obvious truth? Very rare….rb
A cheap shot, Mr. Blackmore. You dismiss evidence with a wave of your
hand, saying, “It is not acceptable because I don’t believe it”, and
then you ask when *we* have acknowledged an obvious truth? Rings hollow
> to me.
COMMENT: In all truth, what “evidence” are you referring to? I would most certainly
admit of such evidence if any were to be found convincing…yet I am not convinced.
Why do you suppose that is? I have read the transcripts and perused other material
pertinent to the trial and the allegations. I have not found any of the evidence you seem
to be referring to. This being the true state of affairs, I do not think it appropriate to remark
that I am simply dismissing evidence “with a wave of my hand”. Give me something I can
work with.–rb
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>>>>
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From: [email protected]
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> Gord McFee <[email protected]> writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > Ferdinand Lasselle, a Jew himself and a rival of Karl Marx, gives us
> > his impressions of the race which bore him:
>
> Which has absolutely what to do with the topic of “revisionism”?
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
COMMENT: I believ I have posted this a number of times in other threads, but
to be polite and answer your question: I feel that the history of the Jewish people
must be viewed cumulatively when examining the causes and reasons for the Holocaust.
Other historians seem to take this approach as well. It is, therefore, quite valid. Also, these
posts are in reply to the argument made implicitly by Goldhagen that the Germans were pliable
to becoming Hitler’s “willing executioners” due to some “bad gene” peculiar to the Germans.
These posts simply prove the untenable position of this opinion.
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] wrote:
Listen to Mr. “Righteous” Morris…a Scheinheiliger if I ever saw one….
a man mouthing platitudes without any conviction or intention of
upholding them himself. In fact, a vile slanderer, who slanders not
only my person, but my family as well. it shows the nature of the heart–
black, vengeful, and bestial. He has thrown down the gauntlet, and I shall
accept the challenge. I also can call names, but rather than do that, which
would lower me down to his level, which apparently lies below the foulest and
deepest circles of Dante’s Hell,
You are already there. There is no need for you to lower yourself. I
extremely disappointed with your turn to out and out anti-Semitism and
worthless unsubstantiated claims. Now you have turned to posting
obvious out and out lies.
COMMENT: No comment.
I shall merely step up my posting exposing the
Holocaust lies and so prepare the way for the complete and utter devastation of
the greatest lie in world history.
I know you will continue to make yourself look silly by your posts.
Killfiles are becoming a reasonable resource in your case.
]
COMMENT: Do whatever you like. You have been steadily losing ground
in this debate anyhow. BTW, I already received an email from Mr. Morris with
an explanation regarding his post and I believe that the matter has been
successfully resolved as far as he and I are concerned, and I would think you
will now have the good grace to step out of the arena.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> In <[email protected]>, Joseph Bellinger posting as
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >I see you avoided mentioning Morris’s repulsive
> >comments. That is a bit unfair as well, don’t you think?–rb
>
> I see you did not respond to my comments on this matter under the
> heading “Bellinger’s Irony Deficiency.”
>
> That is a bit cowardly as well, don’t you think?
>
> Posted and e-mailed.
> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
> —
> The Nizkor Project | https://nizkor.org/
COMMENT: It never appeared on my news-server.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
SNIP
COMMENT: You should not have brought the subject of Bach-Zelewski
up. It has opened a can of worms for you. The fact is that Hoess apparently
went outside of the perimeters of what was allowed for the administration of
the camp, and was upbraded for it. The very fact that Bach-Zelewski upheld
the death sentence, yet was OVERTURNED by direct order from Berlin is quite
revealing, in my opinion. It was not so easy to invoke the death penalty in the camps.
Even the order of a Camp Commander and a high ranking SS General wouldn’t suffice.
This being the case, I wonder how much went on in these camps during the war years
that went contrary to the rules and unnoticed by the central administration in Berlin?
Quite a bit, I imagine. This would probably account for the fact why Himmler gave
Konrad Morgen full authority to investigate Hoess…..Are we leading up to something
here…..indeed. Of course you will now start to whine and holler…that is all quite
predictable….yet this case indicates there is much more to this incident than immediately
meets the eye.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Doc Tavish <[email protected]> writes:
> > Richard Schultz wrote:
>
> > > Yale F. Edeiken ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> > > : (http://www.pixie.com/%7Ebewise/evidence.html) (Page doesn`t exist) “Rabbi Reichhorn” pops
> up
> > > : in an article written by Elizabeth Dillings (well-known as a paid
> > > : agent of nazi Germany).
>
> > > Actually, her name was Elizabeth Dilling, but her anti-Semitic ravings
> > > are much more amusing than any of the ones you’re likely to find in
> > > this newsgroup.
>
> > This is typically the answer that you liberals always give. Where is
> > there proof that Ms. Dilling was a paid agent of Nazi Germany.
>
> It was produced during her trial in 1942.
>
> –YFE
Yes, Ms. Dilling goes back a long ways. She was a very prolific writer for a
while. Not exactly a beauty queen, IMO, but what a mind……Didn’t they end up writing a song
about her?…….Lavender blue, dilling dilling, lavender green….etc
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: The Jews return to France
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 2 Jan 1997 10:21:07 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >When Louis X finally allowed the Jews to return to France in 1315, one of
> >the sole demands that he made on them was that they not bring their Talmud
> >back with them. To the French, the Talmud was representative of those
> >evil, magic books in which the blindness of the Jews was contained. The
> >Jews returned to France, minus the Talmud.
>
> And what does this have to do with the Holocaust, Mr. Bellinger?
> What? Nothing at all? You mean it was just an opportunity for you
> to share some more of your anti-semitism with us? How
> unsurprising. Did you share this little goody with your friend
> Harold Covington?
COMMENT: I think that the Jewish people’s history, taken cumulatively,
is very relevant to the subject of the Holocaust.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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[email protected] (John Morris) writes:
In <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
[email protected] (John Morris) writes:
In <[email protected]>, Matt Giwer ([email protected])
posting as [email protected] (Doc Tor) wrote:
On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 22:26:09 GMT, [email protected] (John
Morris) wrote:
snip
Nevertheless, I am aware of your strongly-held belief that your
opponents do post falsehoods, and I can give you one good reason to be
interested in the truth.
Listen to Mr. “Righteous” Morris
One.
…a Scheinheiliger if I ever saw one….
Two.
a man mouthing platitudes
Three.
without any conviction or intention of
upholding them himself.
Four.
In fact, a vile slanderer, who slanders not
only my person, but my family as well.
Five.
it shows the nature of the heart–
black,
Six.
vengeful,
Seven.
and bestial.
Eight.
He has thrown down the gauntlet, and I shall
accept the challenge. I also can call names, but rather than do that, which
would lower me down to his level,
Nine.
which apparently lies below the foulest and
deepest circles of Dante’s Hell,
Ten.
>
> > I shall merely step up my posting exposing the
> >Holocaust lies and so prepare the way for the complete and utter devastation of
> >the greatest lie in world history.
>
> Thank goodness you decided not to call me any names: the post might
> have gone on for days then.
>
> —
> John Morris <[email protected]>
> at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
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> The Nizkor Project | https://nizkor.org/
Are you saying that I was unjustified in writing this in response to your comments?
From [email protected] Sat Jan 4 09:44:09 PST 1997
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Hoess, doubly a victim of the victors
Date: 3 Jan 1997 09:36:54 GMT
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> Gord McFee <[email protected]> writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > [email protected] (John Morris) writes:
> >
> > snip
> > Nevertheless, I am aware of your strongly-held belief that your
> > opponents do post falsehoods, and I can give you one good reason to be
> > different from what you believe your opponents to be: you might be
> > interested in the truth.
>
> > Listen to Mr. “Righteous” Morris…a Scheinheiliger if I ever saw one….
> > a man mouthing platitudes without any conviction or intention of
> > upholding them himself. In fact, a vile slanderer, who slanders not
> > only my person, but my family as well. it shows the nature of the heart–
> > black, vengeful, and bestial. He has thrown down the gauntlet, and I shall
> > accept the challenge. I also can call names, but rather than do that, which
> > would lower me down to his level, which apparently lies below the foulest and
> > deepest circles of Dante’s Hell, I shall merely step up my posting exposing the
> > Holocaust lies and so prepare the way for the complete and utter devastation of
> > the greatest lie in world history.
>
> Good Heavens Mr. Blackmore! That is not your writing style at all,
> especially the German word and the reference to Dante. I do believe you
> are posting as one of your other aliases. Not very honorable of you,
> after all the nice things you *said* you were going to do.
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
COMMENT: Indeed. i have not broken my word to you, have I? And it
appeared to me that Mr. Morris threw down the gauntlet.
From [email protected] Sat Jan 4 20:04:01 PST 1997
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: For the Benefit of Mr. Kike
Date: 2 Jan 1997 22:54:38 GMT
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> Gord McFee <[email protected]> writes:
> Nice try, but facile as I said. The word “kike” is a pejorative by
> definition; it is independent of the user, and to say that you are not a
> racist and therefore can use racist terms is sophistry at its best. It
> is this kind of hypocrisy and duplicity that ensure the denier argument
> always loses.
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
>
>>>>COMMENT: I must disagree. Since you do not know me, you cannot
really state with certainty whether I am an anti-Semite or not; however, I tell
you that I am not. Consequently you will choose to believe whatever you are
inclined to believe. I have showed remarkable patience with the hundreds of
insults bandied about by certain individuals on the newsgroup. However, I am,
by nature, a patient man with the endurance of Job. The use of the word Kike
was as satire. If you and others wish to make a mountain out of a mole hill, I can
not prevent you from doing so. It was and is satire, and I have been referred to
as far worse, as you well know. I see you avoided mentioning Morris’s repulsive
comments. That is a bit unfair as well, don’t you think?–rb
From [email protected] Sun Jan 5 02:18:04 PST 1997
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Ferdinand Lassalle on the Jews
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Gord McFee <[email protected]> writes:
[email protected] wrote:
As moderator Matt Giwer would tell you, the causes and reasons for the
Holocaust are off-topic in this newsgroup, which exists to discuss the
historicity of the Holocaust.
That being said, I wish you would either support your statement about
Goldhagen’s book or withdraw it. I have the book beside me by the way,
so a page reference would be appreciated. I disagree with much of
Goldhagen’s thesis, but it is most unfair to accuse him of having said
things he clearly did not say.
Gord McFee
‘ll write no line before its time
COMMENT: I do not have the book in front of me. I cannot cite you a
particular page or paragraph. I assume you have read the book, so I will
ask you if he implicitly remarks that Germans had a peculiar “bad gene” which
gave them the predisposition to persecute Jews.
From [email protected] Sun Jan 5 02:18:05 PST 1997
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Joseph Bellinger: Lying Again (Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw)
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> [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
It will, as always, be entertaining to watch him squirm.
COMMENT: You’ll die from boredom if you wait to see me squirm.
From [email protected] Sun Jan 5 02:18:05 PST 1997
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Dilling Demonized- Why?
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > Doc Tavish <[email protected]> writes:
> > Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> > > > This is typically the answer that you liberals always give. Where is
> > > > there proof that Ms. Dilling was a paid agent of Nazi Germany.
>
> > > It was produced during her trial in 1942.
>
> > What was Ms. Dilling tried for? Hate speech?
> > Doc Tavish
>
> For being a paid agent of the nazi government.
>
> –YFE
Well, at least she made an honest living!
From [email protected] Sun Jan 5 02:18:06 PST 1997
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From: [email protected]
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Gord McFee <[email protected]> writes:
But Ken, don’t you see? Eichmann was tortured to make that statement,
just like Himmler was tortured to make the Posen speech and so on.
Also, Martin Gilbert was tortured to write the book—–no, wait.
Gilbert is Jewish. That’s it–he simply invented the whole thing.
[Denier mode off]
Gord McFee
I’ll write no line before its time
COMMENT: Out of curiosity, who ever wrote that Himmler was tortured
into making his Posen speech? Who ever wrote that Gilbert was tortured
to wrote the book? As for Eichmann, he was only drugged and kidnapped
by force and taken to a country to be tried for alleged crimes against a nation
which never even existed at the time of the alleged crime’s occurance. Also,
Israel has NO death penalty….so why was Eichmann hanged? Finally, do
you suppose the man in the posted quote below was tortured into making this
statement?:
Halle 1515 The strange case of the converted Jew, Johann Pfefferkorn.
Pfefferkorn confessed to poisonings on a large scale, stealing several
consecrated hosts, kidnapping 2 children, one of who he sold to other
Jews that they might extract its blood–the other he let free because it
had red hair. Pfefferkorn was executed for his admitted crimes.
From [email protected] Sun Jan 5 02:18:07 PST 1997
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From: [email protected]
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
snip
>>>>
COMMENTS: As usual your arguments and diversions are achieving the
hoped for results. You fail on all accounts.
From [email protected] Sun Jan 5 02:18:08 PST 1997
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Subject: Re: Friedrich Engels on “The Joys of Yiddish”
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] (Rubin Friedman) wrote:
>
> You are learning about Blackmore, Mr. Friedman. Most of his quotes are
> senseless in the extreme. This is one of his most recent spam
> sessions.
> > ([email protected]) writes:
> >> Karl Marx’s benefactor, Friedrich Engels, in replying to an argument made
> >> in the Frankfurt Parliament by Adolf Stenzel, who claimed that Jews were
> >> german because they spoke the German language, remarked:
> >>
> >> “…these peddler Jews, their lice, and their dirt, can be forgotten because
> >> they want to be Germans. And how do they show themselves to be Germans?
> >> They SPEAK German in their homes. And what a German!,” Engels mocked.
> >> “Perhaps the Prussians can lay claim to all of Europe and half of America
> >> because “German” speaking Jews live there.”
> >
> >Whoever wrote this didn’t know his ass from his elbow in lingusitics. German
> >Jews spoke German, not Yiddish, e.g. Heinrich Heine, Franz Kafka, etc.
> >
> >And how about all the German dialects spoken in Germany and abroad? Are
> >these German or not German? Yiddish certainly has a large Germanic component.
> >And it was spoken by scholars, writers, doctors, lawyers and labourers as
> >well as by peddlars.
> >
> >So on all counts, this quote is full of crap.
> >–
> >”Love work; despise power for power’s sake; and don’t get too close to the
> >government” – Ethics of the Fathers
>
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https://nizkor.org/
COMMENT: You say the quote is spurious, Mr. Curtis? Care to wager some
money on it?–rb
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish Argumentation
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
snip
COMMENT: That anal compulsion of yours just won’t let you rest will it?
Have you tried a little preparation H?
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
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>
COMMENT: Go on deluding yourself, mark, I doubt whether you are deluding
many others who browse here.–rb
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> [email protected] writes:
>
> # well, I accept for the most part the testimony of an Austrian
> # woman, (non-Jewish) who was in Auschwitz and gave testimony at
> # the Frankfurt Trial. Her testimony is in the Naumann book.
> # i do not recall her name, but she should be easy to locate
>
> Dr. Ela Lingens-Reiner? Her testimony sure doesn’t help
> any lame-brained Nazi “revisionist” such as yourself. BTW,
> you should try to do something about that senility. You’re
> “forgetting” too many things, and making too many “mistakes”
> recently.
> -Danny Keren.
I don’t remember her name. If it was she, then so be it.
From [email protected] Sun Jan 5 11:42:53 PST 1997
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
Date: 5 Jan 1997 09:46:52 GMT
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] (ibokor) wrote:
Mike Curtis ([email protected]) wrote:
You are quite incapable of research, aren’t you Blackmore.
As other deniers we have met here, “rblackmore” has long
ago dispensed with any research. Bland assertion and fabrication
are much easier and harbours no danger of prejudices,
preconceptions and biases being challenged by the cold
light of reality.
d.A.
Research IS work.
Mike Curtis
E-mail [email protected]
Nizkor Web: https:/www.nizkor.org/
COMMENT: Well, why don’t you try it sometime?–rb
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
We are discussing the Belsen trial and your willing distortions of
that trial and its testimony.
Mike Curtis
E-mail [email protected]
Nizkor Web: https//nizkor.org/
COMMENT: No–you shifted the subject and asked what testimony
(Presumably “damaging”) I would accept, and I told you.
From [email protected] Sun Jan 5 11:42:55 PST 1997
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Subject: Re: Joseph Bellinger: Lying Again (Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw)
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>
> >There is, as you clearly recognize, absolutely no chance he’s read
> >the book – not if he thinks Goldhagen said anything about `bad
> >genes.’ Don’t hold your breath, old son, because no quotes are
> >coming to back that whopper up.
> >
> >It will, as always, be entertaining to watch him squirm.
> His squirming is becoming boring and far too easy to start.
> Mike Curtis
> E-mail [email protected]
> Nizkor Web: https//nizkor.org/
COMMENT: Don’t pat yourself to hard on the back, you might spit up
all over Ken’s bib.–rb
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Subject: Re: For the Benefit of “Mr. Blackmore”
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Gord McFee <[email protected]> writes:
“People are judged here not by their looks, their degrees,
their publications, their wealth, or the whiteness of their teeth, but
solely by the content of what they say.” – Ehrlich 606, in
[email protected]> [May, 1996]
My heavens, what a brilliant statement by Mr. Ehrlich. I am sure Mr.
Blackmore will read it *very* carefully.
[deleted]
Feel free to stamp your little feet, wave your hands and protest as
much as you like. But do keep in mind – whatever your nym of the day
(or hour!) might be and regardless of whether you are in <silly little
one-liner mode> or <heavy duty paste ‘n post stuff from the handler
mode> – you will continue to be judged “solely by the content” of
what you say.
What a terrible fate for a denier.
Posted and e-mailed.
Gord McFee
I’ll write no line before its time
COMMENT: I can handle it. BTW, what IS a “denier”?
Do you deny that there is no written order by Hitler to exterminate the Jews?
Do you deny that Hoess was tortured in making a false confession?
Do you deny that Zyklon B was used exclusively to combat lice and typhus
in concentration camps?
Do you deny that the Polish government LIED when it claimed that 4 million
human beings (Overwhelming majority of them Jews by default) were killed
at Auschwitz?
Sounds to me like YOU fit the description of a denier.–rb
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Gord McFee <[email protected]> writes:
It was you, not I, who dragged Morris into this.
Gord McFee
I’ll write no line before its time
COMMENT: It was Mr.Morris who dragged himself into this.
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Chuck Fereena Dog Chow writes:
>
> Guess what I got for Christmas?
COMMENT: Looks like your own family can’t stomach your stench either.–rb
A spray can of fart remover, works
> too.
]
COMMENT: be careful you don’t commit suicide with it.–rb
Can on the way to COMMENT Mr. bunghole of the decade.
COMMENT: All the mud and filthy outpourings of your decaying brain and
rotted tongue will not save your Holocaust from going down, down, down,
the drain into the sewer of rancid lies……..and in the end where will you be?–Why,
with that spray can stuck up your bubbled butt, singing, “I’m forever blowing bubbles….”
From [email protected] Sun Jan 5 11:42:58 PST 1997
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> > Is rlbackmore really so stupid or is he just a clumsy liar??
>
> If his posts are any indication, I’m beginning to believe that both
> may be true.
>
> Mike
> Mike Curtis
>
Why don’t you go back and reread your ignorant comment about Fania
Fenelon and then come back and discuss stupidity and clumsiness.
Would you guys like me to argue for your side for a while? It might help
you out.–rb
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> > Nele Abels <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >”The gassings to place in Camp II”. Does this mean “There were now gas
> > >chambers”.
>
> > > Is rlbackmore really so stupid or is he just a clumsy liar??
>
> > If his posts are any indication, I’m beginning to believe that both
> > may be true.
>
> And he seems to be getting clumsier about it as each one is
> exposed.
>
> –YFE
When? Where? By whom? As I have never told any lies, your argument
is inaccurate.
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> [email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
> “I usually used to beat them on the shoulders, but
> there were times when, because of the numbers involved,
> they were beaten on any part of the body that happened
> to be easiest”.
>
> Irma Grese, on how she used to beat Auschwitz inmates
> with a stick (from “The Belsen Trial”).
> -Danny Keren.
COMMENT: These people were beaten, as Irma Grese testified, because
they were THIEVES who stole food from other inmates……Danny, you are
slipping, slipping, slipping…..rb
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Subject: Re: Playing for Irma Grese–Fania Fenelon
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> [email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >COMMENT: So, if Ms. Fenelon is to be believed—here is the “Evil”
> >Irma Grese, speaking to her gently, and giving her words of encouragement…
> >begging her, a Jewish woman, NOT to die, and referring to her in terms of
> >endearment…..”My little singer”…..No pistol whipping…..no revolvers….no
> >cellophane whip….merely the presence of a woman who looked and spoke
> >like an angel to the seriously ill Fenelon. Quite a different picture from that
> >provided by the revenge and hate-filled Olga Lenygel.
> And this single source renders all other testimony useless? Blackmore,
> get a clue about evidence.
>
> >The very fact that Ms. Fenelon records the “amused glint in her eye” indicates
> >to me, at least, that Ms. Grese was actually PLEASED that the English had arrived
> >to aid the suffering people in the camp….little did she know that what Ms. Fenelon
> >referred to as that “breath of air….that delicious scent….” would be forever stifled
by the lies of people like Olga Lenygel and the hanging judges at the Belsen
Trial. I rest my case.
Don’t be stuopid, Mr. Giwer, Fenelon was at Auschwitz.
Mike Curtis
Nizkor (USA) – An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
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>>>>
COMMENT: Well,. you stepped in it royally this time. how about
this for a quote:
“I wasn’t at Birkenau anymore. There, there were 47 of us, the “orchestra girls.”
Here in this windowless shed, there were a thousand of us–burgeoning corpses.
What a stench. Now I remember–Bergen Belsen. We had arrived here on November 3, 1944.
Playing for time, p. 3.
Now, what is that you always tell me about doing a little “research”, Mike?–rb
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> [email protected] (Sammy Li) writes:
> On 3 Jan 1997 08:52:56 GMT, [email protected] wrote in
> alt.revisionism:
>
> >> [email protected] (Richard Schultz) writes:
> >> For a long time, I was wondering why Belling, Giwer, and Moran seemed
> >> so familiar. Then, last night, it hit me.
> >>
> >> It’s the Nairobi Trio. . .
> >> (mi sol la, re fa re sol, do me do fa re sol sol. . .)
> >> Richard Schultz [email protected]
> >> Department of Chemistry tel: 972-3-531-8065
> >> Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel fax: 972-3-535-1250
> >> —–
> >> “Life is a blur of Republicans and meat.” — Zippy
> >Such inspiration must come to you slowly…..oh so slowly……
>
> Only when his muse strikes. It is likely the same one Nero
> had.
Now, THAT was clever. (It really was).
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
>
> > COMMENT: My point is in reply to Goldhagen, who, unless I am mistaken,
> > referred to a Bad gene in germans which made the Holocaust possible. My
> > “point” is to show that this “bad gene” must exist in every race and
> nationality–even the
> > Jews, who, like Marx, have often echoed the sentiments expressed by this
> Polish noble.–rb
>
> You are mistaken. There was nothing in Goldhagen’s book (which is
> extremely popular in Germany) which even resembles your statement.
>
> Now, anit-Semite, go think up another lie lie for posting your private
> collection of anti-Semitica.
>
> –YFE
COMMENT: Yale Edeikin is a lyer, I mean, er….lawyer. No difference.–rb
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Chuck Ferree <[email protected]> writes:
Chuck Ferree wrote:
There may or may not be such a thing as “The Bad German Gene.”
However, there definately is a “bad gene” involved with people like
blackmore, who continously post anti-Jewish material on this and other
sites. alt. rev. isn’t about the Jews per se, or at least it shouldn’t
be used as a place for bigots, racists, and the like to seek out ways
to persuade others that Jewish people are somehow bad and deserve what
they got from being Jews in Europe all these years.
blackmore makes me ill with his pro-Nazi pro-Hitler- pro-Holocaust
(maybe it didn’t happen, but it should have) bullshit. Of course
blackmore isn’t the only racist, bigot and generally idiotic person
who does this, but he is one of the worst. What’s even worse is that
this turkey has the audacity to tell us that he isn’t a racist, bigot
asshole. All one need do is read one or two of his silly posts and
it’s very obvious. I can’t stop people like blackmore, but if I could
I would. I don’t have hate in my heart for the Germans-Austrians or
for the Russians for that matter, but blackmore and his ilk, should be
glad that we don’t live in the same town.
Chuck
Blackmore: blah, blah, blah! Trash
>
> > In “The Burning Mirror”, converted Jew Johannes Pfefferkorn wrote:
> >
> > The Jews must be made to hear the word. Where this is not done nor wished
> > to be done, it is perhaps because of the deeds of a few Christians who look
> > through their fingers rather than see. These take presents and bribes from
> > the Jews……
> > Pfefferkorn further advocated that the Jews be exiled from all major
> > German cities.
COMMENT: Chuck Pereena Dog Chow has had his say. Now, will someone
please take him out for his nightly walk?==rb
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> [email protected] (ChuckF2323) writes:
> Blackmore,
>
> Why would Primo Levi lie? He was a victim of Nazi torture.
>
> He didn’t lie. He wrote the truth. He did suicide because he made a
> decision.
>
> You on the other hand lie and distort the truth because it serves your
> purpose, whatever that is.
>
> Chuck
Truth, something you know little of……
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 3 Jan 1997 22:13:28 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >However, I don’t agree with your opinions. That would make me an asshole.
>
> Sorry, it appears you were an asshole long before I ever offered
> you an opinion.
Only an asshole would say that.
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> Gord McFee <[email protected]> writes:
> Mike Curtis wrote:
> >
> > [email protected] (Rubin Friedman) wrote:
> >
> > You are learning about Blackmore, Mr. Friedman. Most of his quotes are
> > senseless in the extreme. This is one of his most recent spam
> > sessions.
>
> I don’t think it was entirely his fault, Mike. You see, the chief
> handler announced at the last minute that Blackmore was to be the
> spammer of the week and he was unready for it. That necessitated using
> a whole bunch of irrelevant and inaccurate crap instead of the usual
> simply inaccurate crap.
>
> Posted and e-mailed.
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
COMMENT: It is strange that you should write the above as I have
suspected this of Nizkor for sometime now. Each person is ‘assigned”
someone to respond to, and each has a defined “method” of responding…
a variation on the “good guy”-“bad guy” routine. (Sorry, ladies…)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> Gord McFee <[email protected]> writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > Gord McFee <[email protected]> writes:
> > > [email protected] wrote:
> > >
> > > [deleted]
> > >
> > > > COMMENT: Only in your mind am I losing. You will undoubtedly have the
> > > > rest of the Nizkorians who will agree with you, but I don’t pay much attention
> > > > to their opinions. After all, they are biased, as you are. I only care about
> > > > reaching the browsers with both sides of the argument and let them decide–
> > > > chips fall where they may.–rb
> > >
> > > Then you are doing a poor job, Mr. Blackmore, because the only adherents
> > > you manage to recruit are Giwer under his latest 15 aliases and the
> > > dimwit Moron.
>
> > COMMENT: Have you some method for conducting an accurate poll
> > that we are unaware of, Mr. McFee?–rb
>
> Strange, Mr. Blackmore. The answer is so obvious I am surprised that
> you would need to ask the question. The proof for the fact that you are
> “losing” is provided by you and your cohorts every day in this
> newsgroup. Your desperation, the requirement for so many of you to post
> under phoney names (and in many cases, several of them), the avoidance
> of legitimate debate, the introduction of clearly irrelevant material
> into the newsgroup, the constant personal attacks–these are just some
> of the methods that demonstrate you are losing.
> Gord McFee
> I’ll write no line before its time
COMMENT: Strange, Mr. McFee, Nizkor devotees use the exact same
tactics you describe above….one of us is not seeing things clearly…..
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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> Gord McFee <[email protected]> writes:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > Gord McFee <[email protected]> writes:
> > You blew it, Mr. Blackmore. Eichmann *admitted* that he had made that
> > statement during his interrogations in Israel.
> > COMMENT: I have never regarded the statements he allegedly made to the
> > Israelis as evidence.
He also made the statement to a German co-worker, who was the first
person to repeat it to others. But I suppose you will say that person
was tortured.
COMMENT: Gossip. hearsay. Not relevant and inadmissible, IMO.–rb
BTW, his statement to the Israelis was made more than once, tape
recorded at least once and videotaped at least once as well. But I
suppose he was tortured as well? Is there anyone who has ever made a
statement supporting the historicity of the Holocaust who wasn’t
tortured into saying it?
BTW, who tortured Goebbels and Hitler into making the statements they
made? And Himmler? And Heydrich?
COMMENT: I have never claimed that torture was used in all cases
to obtain confessions or damaging statements. It clearly was not used
on many Jews who made damaging statements confessing to ritual
murder, nor on every German confessing to alleged crimes against humanity.
As far as your questions re Himmler, Hitler, etc…Who ever tortured Kaufmann,
Ehrenburg, and Morgenthau into making their statements? -rb
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[email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
Nope. Himmler (inexplicably) gave Morgen carte blanc (until it become
embarassing) to investigate _corruption_ in the camps.
It’s hardly inexplicable. Koch and the others were stealing money that,
otherwise, Himmler could have stolen himself.
> –YFE
COMMENT: Of course your explanation is disingenuous. Himmler was basically
incorrupible when it came to money. But confronting you with the truth is like trying
to teach a cat to bark and a dog to meow. Truth does not appear to be in your nature.
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
snip
1321 Two Jews accused, arrested,and convicted of poisoning a well were executed.
1348 In September, Duke Amadeus of Savoy commanded the arrest of several Jews
suspected of poisoning in two small towns. They later confessed to the crime and
were executed.
1408 In Segovia, a number of Jews, among them the chief rabbi of Castile
Don Meir Alguades, were arrested on charges of host desecration. After
they confessed, they were sentenced to death.
1475 AD Trent, Italy. The body of a three year old child is found in the river.
Members of the Jewish community confessed to the crime. The convicted
were executed and the remainder of the community expelled.
1480 The Jewish community of Portoboffole was charged with ritual murder.
A number of Jews confessed to the crime and were executed. The remainder
was expelled.
Source: The Devil and the Jews, Joshua Trachtenberg.
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> Testimony of SS-Oberscharfuehrer Kurt Bolender
>
> Before the Jews undressed, Oberscharfuehrer Michel made a speech
> to them. On these occasions, he used to wear a white coat to give
> the impression that he was a physician. Michel announced to the
> Jews that they would be sent to work, but before this they would
> have to take baths and undergo disinfection so as to prevent the
> spread of diseases… After undressing, the Jews were taken
> through the so-called Schlauch. They were led to the gas chambers
> not by the Germans but by the Ukrainians…After the Jews entered
> the gas chambers, the Ukrainians closed the doors. The motor
> which supplied the gas was switched on by a Ukrainian named Emil
> and by a German driver called Erich Bauer from Berlin. After the
> gassing, the door were opened and the corpses removed….
>
> Arad, Yitzak. Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka: The Operation Reinhard
> Death Camps. Bloomington: Indiana University Press. p 76
The confession of Emanuel of Genoa:
Emanuel, son of the doctor Solomon of Genoa, testified to the
martyrdom of two Christian children after he had converted to
Christianity. One of these cases was reported second hand.
He related how Master Simon from Ancona, a doctor by
profession, had beheaded a small child. The child’s head
was then dragged outside into the street by a dog. Officials
followed the blood-stains and discovered the child’s body in
the doctor’s house, lying in a tub. The doctor, however, escaped
across the sea.
Another murder Emanuel testifies to witnessing personally in Saona,
a province of the Republic of Genoa. He stated:
My father led me into a house where eight Jews were assembled.
They took a sacred oath that they would rather suffer death or kill
themselves before they would confess to the deed they were going
to commit. After that they brought in a 2 year old christian child. One
of the conspirators held its right arm, another the left arm, and the third,
his head, so that he formed the shape of a cross. The fourth assassin
had a long, sharp, pointed needle or scalpel in his hand. With it he
stabbed the child from his stomach to his heart. he quickly pulled the
needle back and stabbed once more so that the blood began to flow
freely from the wounds into a basin beneath. This was repeated until
the child died. They then threw the child’s body into a secret chamber….”
Emmanuel later made his full confession of having witnessed and
participated in this crime before the Master Garsias of Boamonn, Bishop
of Lucena, a notary pubic, and others. His story was reportedly confirmed
by documents preserved by the Franciscan monks.
On April 22, 1823, on Easter Sunday, 21/2 year old Feodor Jemeljanov of
Welisch, (Russia), disappeared without a trace. His body was found one
week later. The whole body was covered in abrasions, as if it had been
rubbed with a rough object. The finger-nails were cut off, and the tiny body
was covered with small puncture wounds. Circumcision had been performed. A doctor testified that the child had been
deliberately tortured to death. After years of investigation, the crime was
solved. A large number of Jews were arrested. Three Russian women
converted to Judaism made a full confession, in which they named their
accomplices and the brutal manner in which they carried out the murder.
The result of the trial was a surprise to many: the three Russian converts
to judaism were convicted of the crime, while the perpetrators of the deed,
according to the women, were released.
1130 Authorities accused and charged Jews of killing a sick man who had
gone to one of them for treatment (special treatment?) The community was
fined 2000 pounds.
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From: [email protected]
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Chuck Ferree <[email protected]> writes:
Why, pray tell, would anyone call a person a liar if they truthfully
quote information provided by a researched source? This statement in
itself is a lie.
COMMENT: I am afraid your reply is disingenuous. Proof of my assertion made
be found by simply browsing through alt revisionism or Deja News.–rb
There is valid research and then there is valid research. What’s valid
to this name calling, insulting asshole, is what he says is valid, and
we all know he comes up with many more opinions that data, and we all
know that opinions don’t count.
COMMENT: Contrary to what you write, I come up with data all the time. You simply refuse
to acknowledge it.–rb
They call you a liar because you are one.–rb
rb owns a lot of books, so he says, bet most of them are one liners.
Guide to ineffective put-downs, by Woody Allen.
COMMENT: indeed, I also have books by Woody Allen. Would you care to
buy one? You could use it. As for the one liners I prefer Henny Youngman.–rb
Sorry the asshole thing just slipped out. It’s what appears in my mind
when I think of rb just can’t help it.
COMMENT: Rather, start thinking about yourself and the poor image you
present to people here. Sad for a person your age. I believe I am gaining
insight into the sort of mind it takes to indiscriminately bomb unarmed and
helpless women and babes in arms. -rb
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> [email protected] (Ken Lewis) writes:
> On 3 Jan 1997 08:43:25 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
> >COMMENT: I indicated above what this has to do with the Holocaust,
> >and anti_Semitism has nothing to do with it. It must really irk you that you cannot
> >with justification refer to me as an anti-Semite. Live with it.
>
> Sorry, Mr. Bellinger, you have with your own words provided all
> the justification that is needed to refer to you as an
> anti-semite.
>
> But _do_ keep trying to squirm away from your own words. It is
> _so_ amusing to watch.
COMMENT: So this is your new game….your slander version
of pin the tail on the donkey. This is much more amusing than
your little persecution fantasies.–rb
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> [email protected] (Derek Bell) writes:
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> [email protected] writes:
> >COMMENT: I dare say that your poetry is worse than your scholarship, if that
> >is possible.–rb
>
> It’s *satire*, based on a song from _Monty_Python_and_the_Holy_Grail_
>
> You *do* know what satire is, don’t you?
>
> Derek
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> Derek Bell [email protected] | “Donuts – is there _anything_
> WWW: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dbell/index.html| (Page doesn`t exist) they can’t do?”
> PGPkey: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dbell/key.asc| (Page doesn`t exist) – Homer Simpson
COMMENT: Yes. Better than you, it appears.
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From: [email protected]
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
We asked for the citation from Goldhagen so that we could share in the
knowlege and the actually possibility that _you_ might not be sreading
lies your handlers are sending you. At this point you have seen the
many requests for the page number. We have seen nada from you.
referred to a Bad gene in germans which made the Holocaust possible. My
“point” is to show that this “bad gene” must exist in every race and nationality–even the
Jews, who, like Marx, have often echoed the sentiments expressed by this Polish noble.–rb
What’s the page number?
(I actually think he is referring to a psychological concept known as
a human’s dark side.But then he isn’t really very intellectual so I
could be wrong.)
Mike Curtis
E-mail [email protected]
Nizkor Web: https//nizkor.org/
COMMENT: How could someone with such a limited intelligence decide whether
I am very intellectual or not? Very strange…..I will get around to posting the relevant
portions from Goldhagen’s bookin due time. Remember, patience is a virtue.–rb
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> [email protected] (Rubin Friedman) writes:
> >>Hitler presided over Germany at a time of improving transportation.
> >>Rather than stop the progress that was being made, he encouraged the
> >>development of the autobahn system, and of new vehicles. >>
>
> At last! A real accomplishment – he built roads. Eventually of course he
> built them with slave labour but let us be generous and forget that part.
> Like almost every politician who ever lived – he built roads.
COMMENT: The Autobahns were not built with slave labor. They were
built by dedicated German citizens who were well paid for their labor.–rb
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> [email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
In article <E[email protected]>, [email protected] (Daniel Keren)
wrote:
[email protected] (Fafner13) writes:
[Alleged antisemitic excerpt from Hitler’s “Mein Kampf”]
# Strangely accurate, seeing that the words were written
# in 1922.
So, nazi-boy, if your hero was so smart, how come he ended
with a bullet in his head, his country in ruins, and your
beloved Grese dangling from a rope?
A “bad hair” day?
COMMENT:
Why did Christ die on a cross?
If Mr. Belling is truly interested in this, I would suggest he direct this
question to <alt.religion.christianity>, as it is off-topic to
alt.revisionism.
>
> > Why did Jews die who had confessed to committing ritual murders?
>
> If Mr. Belling is truly interested in this, I would suggest he direct this
> question to <alt.history>, as it is off-topic to alt.revisionism.
>
> > Why was the Jewish Prime Minister assassinated by one of his own people?
>
> If Mr. Belling is truly interested in this, I would suggest he direct this
> question to <alt.politics.assassination>, as it is off-topic to
> alt.revisionism.
>
> > As usual, your questions are trivial and irrelevant.–
>
> As usual, Mr. Belling, is off-topic.
COMMENT: As usual you fail to address the issues you yourself raised.
Talk about snivelling cowardice!–rb
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[email protected] (Mike Curtis) writes:
[email protected] (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:
“The function of propaganda is, for example, not to wiegh and ponder the
rights of different people, but exclusively to emphasize the one right
which it has set out to argue for. Its task is not to make an objective
study of the truth, in so far as it favors the enemy, and then set it
before the masses with academic fairness; its task is to serve our own
right, always and unflinchingly.” (Ibid. p.182.)
This passage here seems to fit the denial groups (CODOH, etc.) to a
tee.
Mike Curtis
E-mail [email protected]
Nizkor Web: https//nizkor.org/s
COMMENT: Can’t you think of something original, instead of
pilfering my ideas?–rb
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > “I had nothing to do with the camps where the gassing took place.”
>
> > Apparently you and Baer disagree.
>
> > Giving you the benefit of the doubt, perhaps you are unaware that baer
> > retracted this statement?
>
> I am unaware that Baer “retracted” his statement.
>
> I am aware that Baer was arrested in 1960 and made the statement
> during his preliminary interrogation.
>
> I am aware that while he was incarcerated in Frankfurt prison in 1961,
> Herman Stoltig asked him how he could have committed the crimes with which
> was charged and Baer replied “You can get used to everything.”
>
> I am also aware that he died — within weeks of making this statement —
> before he went to trial.
>
> Since you have given me the benefit of the doubt, I will do the same for
> you.
>
> When and where did he retract his admissions?
>
> –YFE
In prison, just before going to trial.–rb
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[email protected] (Daniel Keren) writes:
[email protected] writes:
# You are the liar. Baer said there were no gas chambers
No. Learn to read:
In “Nazi Mass Murder”, Yale Uni. Press, 1993, on page 142, a
statement of Baer from Dec. 22, 1960, is quoted, with the
full source: “I commanded only Camp I at Auschwitz. I had nothing
to do with the camps where the gassings took place. I had no
influence over them. It was in Camp II, at Birkenau, that the
gassings took place. That camp was not under my authority”.
He didn’t say there were no gas chambers.
And you are a liar.
-Danny Keren.
COMMENT: No, I am not a liar. Then, it would take one to know one. Baer
retracted his statement before his death. When he made it clear that he would
not testify to any mythological gas chambers, he myseriously dies. how convenient.–rb
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Subject: The Bad German “Gene”
Date: 2 Jan 1997 09:53:20 GMT
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Adam Gurowski, a Polish noble, observed in his 1857 memoirs that “numbers
of Jews have the greatest resemblance to the American mulattoes. Sallow
carnation complexion, thick lips, crisped black hair. Of all the Jewish population
scattered all over the globe one-fourth lives in Poland. I am, therefore, well-
acquainted with their features. On my arrival in this country, (The United
States), I took every light-colored mulatto for a Jew.”
Source: America and Europe, Gurowski, New York, D. Appleton, 1857, p. 177.
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Article: 91303 of alt.revisionism
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: For the Benefit of Mr. Kike
Date: 2 Jan 1997 09:17:59 GMT
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> [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> > [email protected] writes:
> > [email protected] (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>
> > It’s anti-Semitic and you know it. Coupled with your distribution of
> > anti-Semitic poetry, it is pretty conclusive.
>
> > Nonsense.–rb
>
> > Sorry. You are dead wrong and you know it.
>
> > I know you are but what am I?
>
> A Jew hating bastard with a sewer mouth, a penchant for dishonesty
> that would make Richared Nixon blush, and an affection for a bunch of murderers.
COMMENT: That’s it. You lost the debate, and I am through debating it with an asshole,
