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Daniel Keren writes:

In article [email protected]
> I guess the first question could be, “how much Jews does Greenpeace
> believe were killed by the Nazis in WW2, and would Baron also
> accept their estimate to this as well?” – but we know very well
> that no revisionazi is capable of answering this question about
> standards of accepting evidence, don’t we? And why? Because they’re
> a bunch of lying hypocrites, that’s why.
> Re the 100,000 – 200,000 figure – how was it derived, and is it
> supported by experts?
>From sources totally unpoluted by the vested interests of the US government.
I can’t say the same thing about the death toll for Jews in World War Two.
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Alexander Baron

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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[email protected] “Marty Kelley” writes:
> I’m not sure about Sowell or Rand, but I’d seriously doubt that Walter
> Williams has written anything against _Brown v. BOE_ or its enforcement.
> I know he’s against affirmative action and busing, but he’s most
> definitely in favor of equal treatment under the law. I’m willing to be
> shown wrong on this point, of course.
Brown v Topeka was not about equal opportunities, it was a piece of political
gerrymandering by people whose hatred of Western civilisation knows no bounds.
There was, for example, the instance with the dolls, which was meant to “prove”
that black kids feel they are inferior when segregated.
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Alexander Baron

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Yankee lies about the Iraqi Holocaust
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[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> It occurs to me that it might simply have been a bit of semantic
> confusion or misreading/misunderstanding of the topic of discussion, given
> that 5,000 appears as one estimate in the _civilian_ death toll from your
> own source. However, you have no hesitation about claiming that it is a
> _lie_. He who asserts must prove, Al. Prove that the person who wrote
> this _deliberately_ wrote a falsehood.
Several people slagged me off for claiming that 100,000 plus Iraqis had died.
One even said that George Bush did everything he could to minimise the death
toll. Just how much humanitarian aid is reaching the Iraqi people today?
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Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Al Baron Sends a Whining E-Mail
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In article [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> One of the frequent posters on this group suggested to me
> that Baron is “sincere, but dumb”, and that he had not
> seen evidence that Baron intentionally lies. I don’t see
> how this hypothesis can still be supported after Baron’s
> blatant misquote and distortion of Hoessler’s testimony; I
> don’t see how anyone could have made such a mistake. The
> text is short and simple.
In view of some of the “simple” mistakes you’ve made – like accepting
uncritically the lies of self-confessed liar Martin Gray, that is quite a
statement.
> There’s also the blatant misquote of Dr. Bendel’s testimony;
> Baron quoted him as saying that an SS-man executed a group
> of prisoners by shooting them through their necks, killing
> five of them with each bullet.
Like I said Dan, I will be digging out the actual transcripts of this sometime.
The source he quote (Bendel’s
> testimony in “The Belsen Trial”) says nothing of the sort;
> Dr. Bendel only said that the prisoners were lined up in
> rows of five and then shot.
You forgot Bendel’s other testimony:
page 132: the capacity of Krema 4 was 1,000 bodies per day and of the
trenches, 1,000 per hour!
page 133: 500 Sonderkommando were killed, 100 of them in Krema 1, 400 in
Krema 3 on October 7, 1944.
How did he know, Dan? Did he see them? was he present? Did he count the bodies?
page 133: 100 people were put in rows of five and shot through the neck with
a single bullet by an SS man.
IN ROWS OF FIVE AND SHOT WITH A SINGLE BULLET. What does that suggest to you
Dan?
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Alexander Baron

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: My kind of Jew – Nathaniel Weyl on race and Organised Jewry
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$The Jew In American Politics$, by Nathaniel Weyl, published by
Arlington House, (1968).
Weyl on the ADL: page 143: “The Anti-Defamation League supposedly
exists to refute slanders against the Jewish people and promote
tolerance amongst the non-Jewish majority. It is difficult to
believe that the best way of bringing this about is for the
national chairman of the ADL to slander some twenty per cent of
the American people as associates of ‘kooks,’ ‘bigots’ and
‘yahoos.'”
This is a reference to a 1964 ADL publication – $Danger on the
right$ – which attempted to smear “Extreme Conservatives” as anti-
Semites.
Weyl page 267
“The Jewish syndrome concerning racial equality reflects the Nazi
ordeal and the extermination [sic] camps.”
page 267: “The enormity of which Nazism was guilty was not that its views
on race were wrong…but that its purpose was to oppress or
exterminate those peoples it considered inferior.”
page 248 “…one can probably say that, to the extent that any
modern political anti-Semitism exists currently in the South, it
is a reaction against the prominence of Jews in pro-Communist and
in pro-Negro organizations.”
pages 248-8: commenting on “civil rights”, Weyl says, “Militant
Negro leaders slowly began to realise that the spate of legisla-
tion enacted in their behalf under Presidents Kennedy and Johnson
had not fundamentally altered the economic condition or remedied
the social isolation of the vast majority of Negroes.”
page 265 “There is no reason why the intelligent Negro should be
compelled to carry the stupid one on his back.”
page 265 “…the Negro is entitled to equality under the law and
equality of opportunity. Like other Americans, he is entitled to
nothing more.”
page 270 Census data found that 44.1% of Chinese and Japanese
Americans go to college, 21.4% of whites, 80% of Jews and 8% of
Negroes
page 286: an official of CORE told Jews in Vermont N.Y. that
“Hitler made one mistake when he didn’t kill enough of you.” An
American Jewish Congress member resigned from the Board when the
organisation failed to condemn this comment in forthright terms.
That’s what you get for sticking in your big nose where it’s not wanted,
Messrs Edeiken, Mazal and Klein.
pages 287-8 “American Jews have fought for a recognition of the
Negro’s right to equality of opportunity and for his right to
attend schools which are not segregated on the basis of race.
Unfortunately, in a display of masochistic sympathy for the
underdog, they have gone much further than this. They have sup-
ported enforced race-mixing in the schools to the detriment of
educational standards and they have backed forced race-mixing in
residential districts to the detriment of public safety.”
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Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Dr. Muench Talks About Auschwitz
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In article [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Q. Mr. witness, what would you say if someone visited a plant in
> Auschwitz twice or three times a year for a period of one or two
> days? Would he then have to gain knowledge about these things?
Heck yes, why one time a group of them walked past one of the constantly
burning trenches – you know Dan, the ones that were half a mile long and
fifty or sixty yards wide – and they didn’t notice SS Man Moll throwing babies
into the fire at all.
> Q. Mr. witness, did you personally ever witness the gassing of human
> beings?
Right on, I was the one who told Kitty Hart about the baby that survived the
gassing. I even saw SS man Wagner throw it in the oven.
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Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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In article [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Q. Mr. witness, what would you say if someone visited a plant in
> Auschwitz twice or three times a year for a period of one or two
> days? Would he then have to gain knowledge about these things?
Heck yes, why one time a group of them walked past one of the constantly
burning trenches – you know Dan, the ones that were half a mile long and
fifty or sixty yards wide – and they didn’t notice SS Man Moll throwing babies
into the fire at all.
> Q. Mr. witness, did you personally ever witness the gassing of human
> beings?
Right on, I was the one who told Kitty Hart about the baby that survived the
gassing. I even saw SS man Wagner throw it in the oven.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Josh Klein” writes:
> Alexander Baron ([email protected]) wrote:
> > I thought you were going to send me this to include in my bibliography.
> Well, I prefer to keep my copy of the article, but I can give you the
> reference. I was just looking at the article, however, and it is only
> an excerpt of brief parts of several of the protocols.
> “<> o Presse”. _Pamiat’_ No. 1.
> January, 1991. p. 8.
Hmm, Walter Laqueuer mentions this in his recent book on Russia.
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Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> I have read Ayn Rand. Virtually all of her books.
Please cite the books by Ayn> Rand that support what you have just said.
Try the essay “Racism” in THE VIRTUE OF SELFISHNESS.
> Lipstadt is accurate. Have you ever read her?
Yes, what she doesn’t say is more interesting than what she does; I plan to
write a critique of her some day.
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Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> In message <819060886sn[email protected]> – Alexander Baron demon.co.uk>
writes:
> The Bern trial and the South African trial are irrelevant to this thread. Let’s
> stick to the text.
I see, you’re stalling for time so you can look it up.
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Alexander Baron

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Subject: Re: Another Silly Analogy from Lyin’ Al
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Let me explain it to you, Mr. Baron: it means your sources of
> information which deny the Holocaust are written by liars.
It means that Revisionists – like Exterminationists – are not averse either
to gilding the lily or outright fraud in order to perpetuate a dogma. I’m
not interested in dogma. My latest pamphlet exposes a hatful of lies from
Exterminationist sources; it’s out now so the shit will hit the fan very soon.
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Alexander Baron

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: The Flames From the Chimneys
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In article [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Same here; I never saw any proof that it is impossible for this to
> happen. Here’s a reply someone posted sometime ago to this very
> same material, on a different newsgroup:
You never see proof of anything except Revisionist lies.
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Alexander Baron

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Subject: Re: Baron Keeps Evading (Re: Baron Cannot Answer a Simple Question)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
I don’t think Dr. Keren was the one who should feel embarrassed
> about that.
I think Dr Keren should feel acutely embarrassed; I certainly wouldn’t like
to defend the claims he makes in a court of law. Furthermore, his allegations
against me about lying do him no good. Everytime I have made an error or been
misled – eg the Mueller Document – I have admitted it. Every time. Dan on the
other hand goes to inordinate lengths to affirm the most absurd claims. Are you
really asking intelligent, computer literate people to believe that prisoners
were lined up five in a row and dispatched thus with one bullet, not once but
twenty times?
When did Bendel see this? The same time he saw a thousand bodies an hour burned
in the ditches? Grow up, Mike.
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Alexander Baron

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Subject: Re: My kind of Jew – Nathaniel Weyl on race and Organised Jewry
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Josh Klein” writes:
> I like to think that Jewish participation in the Civil Rights movement
> in the United States, and in other humanitarian causes
Nothing humanitarian about the “civil rights” movement, and Negro “anti-Semitism”
is the living proof of this.
such as relief
> for Bosnia, has something to do with our sense of having learned
> something from the persecution that we, as a people, have endured.
Credit where credit is due, I applaud all efforts with relation to Bosnia.
> > page 265 “There is no reason why the intelligent Negro should be
> > compelled to carry the stupid one on his back.”
> More importantly, Mr. Baron, there is no reason why the millions
> of intelligent and honest blacks should be forced to endure the
> daily humiliation and teror of living in a violently racist
> society.
As the majority of violent crime in the United States is black, much of it
black on black, you could be right.
> > page 286: an official of CORE told Jews in Vermont N.Y. that
> > “Hitler made one mistake when he didn’t kill enough of you.” An
> > American Jewish Congress member resigned from the Board when the
> > organisation failed to condemn this comment in forthright terms.
> There’s nothing suprising about the fact that a civil rights
> leader may have said something antisemetic.
Maybe this wasn’t anti-Semitism so much as a “keep your big nose out of
our business” type remark.
> > pages 287-8 “American Jews have fought for a recognition of the
> > Negro’s right to equality of opportunity and for his right to
> > attend schools which are not segregated on the basis of race.
> > Unfortunately, in a display of masochistic sympathy for the
> > underdog, they have gone much further than this. They have sup-
> > ported enforced race-mixing in the schools to the detriment of
> > educational standards and they have backed forced race-mixing in
> > residential districts to the detriment of public safety.”
> It is regretable that the author expressed such an unjust sentiment
> in the 1960’s. It is astounding that you continue to repeat it in
> the present day. I am learning under the tutelage of brilliant
> African American professors at my college. I enjoy the advice of
> an African American physician when I am ill (and my father has
> benefitted from a business partnership with another African American
> physician.)
Again you are extrapolating from the individual to the group. Another fallacy.
> Your opinions on race are odious, Mr. Baron — far more odious, even
> than your views on Jews and on the Holocaust. What is especially
> amazing is that you, a self-professed libertarian who distrusts
> government and claims to have suffered from police overzealousness —
Not police over-zealousness, the unconditional racial hatred of a group of
fanatical kosher fascists who have think they can trample over everyone
just because their forefathers had a rough time. Well, they can’t trample
over me.
I take it you don’t think much of Mr Weyl? I don’t think he’d like you either.
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Alexander Baron

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Subject: Re: Al Baron’s “documentation” of Ritual Murder?
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Mr. Baron knows full well that much of the information regarding his person
> is in the public domain.
Harry, the Protocols of Zion is in the public domain, as are the Turin Shroud,
the Hitler Diaries and the MJ-12 saucer crash documents.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article
[email protected] “Marty Kelley” writes:
> Uhmmm, err….and the title of a book or article by Walter Williams which
> argues in favor of segregation, or against _Brown_ was….?? Do you
> seriously mean to suggest that Walter Williams prefers _Plessey v.
> Ferguson_ as you do?
I’ve read a few articles by Williams. Sowell’s CIVIL RIGHT: RHETORIC OR REALITY?
is an excellent book, and he clearly doesn’t think much of affirmative action.
He has also correctly analysed Apartheid as a form of socialism.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Wed Dec 20 09:15:39 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 22:57:42 GMT
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Charles Don Hall” writes:
> But the schools were *already* required to have equal funding. (This
> was mandated by the “Seperate but equal” doctrine established in
> Plessy v. Ferguson). But they were ignoring this requirement.
Then it should have been rigorously enforced; if it was being ignored.
> And I might have misled you by implying that school funding was the
> only problem. There was also a long history of keeping the good
> teachers at the “white” schools, and shipping off the problem teachers
> to the “black” schools.
In Britain we have solved that problem: all schools have bad teachers.
> Anyway, like I said before, “Do you have a problem with any of this?”
> I gather that you don’t think the schools should be integrated, but
> why not?
I don’t think people should be compelled to do anything. In the South as in
South Africa it is not “racism” but deep social mores which cause segregation.
Incidentally, the South Africans have never regarded themselves as “racist”. In
1977 they banned a book on Yasir Arafat because it was said to be offensive
to Moslems.
You will find that everywhere the world over people don’t want FORCED race-mixing;
the only people who seem to are socialists and their fellow travellers. Including
those whose obsession with fighting “racism” leads them to identify any form
of race consciousness (except their own) with “gas chambers”.
> Is it because you think that racial tensions will increase? That’s
> not a valid reason, either. Integration works to reduce racial
> tension, because it gives the kids a chance to get to know each
> other as individuals.
That is totally contrary to fact.
> (I’m speaking from experience here…I attended public school in
> rural Maryland, in a county that was about 50% black. I noticed
> that blacks were under-represented in the accelerated classes,
> but the ones that *were* there were perfectly capable of doing
> the work.

This “under-represented” stuff really gets me. There is no such thing as
“under-representation”.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron and Hoessler’s Testimony, Again (Re: Apology to Jamie)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 23:01:04 GMT
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Treblinka: Wartime Aerial Photos of Treblinka Cast
> New Doubt on “Death Camp” Claims
> Jewish historian Rachel Auerbach, a member of an official Polish
> commission that inspected the camp site in November 1945 — that
> is, a few months after the end of the war — reported finding large
> human bones, “rotted masses of corpses,” “pieces of half-rotted
> corpses,” and “fully dressed” corpses, at the Treblinka camp
> site. (note 62)
> In the area where the gas chambers were supposed to have been
> located, the commission’s team of 30 excavation workers reportedly
> found “human remains, partially in the process of decay,” and an
> unspecified amount of ash. Untouched sandy soil was reached at 7.5
> meters, at which point the digging was halted. An accompanying
> photograph of an excavated pit reveals some large bones. (note 63)
Was this the same “commission” that found human soap, hair, and a hundred
tonnes of pulped bone that the Nazis flogged to German capitalists?
> Poland’s “Central Commission for Investigation of German Crimes”
> reported that “large quantities of ashes mixed with sand, among
> which are numerous human bones, often with the remains of
> decomposing tissues,” were found in the five acre (two hectare)
> burial area during an examination of the site shortly after the end
> of the war. (note 64)
Thanks for the reference; this will go onto my list. Keren has already given
me more than enough to hoist them with their own petard. Keep ’em coming.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Wed Dec 20 09:15:40 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Some Questions for Mr. Baron
(Was:Re: A Revisionist History Of The 1960s Synagogue Arsons)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Since it is not true that all environmentalists are represented by the
> Green Anarchists, it is just as true, that is, not at all true, that
> the Green Anrachists represent all Englishmen.
And that not all “Nazis” and “racists” represent vicious anti-Semites and
bigots. Two can play semantics.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Wed Dec 20 09:15:41 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Baron’s Big Chance (Re: RABIN-STERN GANG/IRGUN OR???)
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Who can this mysterious ‘Rabbi’ be? Is he another fine, upstanding member of
> the community or is it some chap whose past is as dark as Mr. Baron’s?
Sure Harry, and perhaps he was defrocked for molesting little boys in his
synagogue. Or perhaps he doesn’t exist. Which is it Harry?
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Wed Dec 20 09:15:41 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 23:09:14 GMT
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> Now I’m confused. Are you saying the incidents related are admitted
> to be made up of whole cloth, never seen by anyone involved in writing
> about them, or are you merely saying that Martin Gray falsely claimed to
> be sole author of a work which was really “Martin Gray as told to Max
> Gallo?”
You should read Sereny’s article; Gray was never at Treblinka. His book was
published in French in 1972 and within a year had gone through 18 editions.
It was serialised in the Observer, but the Sunday Times – a newspaper that has
also had the balls to document human rights abuses in Israel – found major
inconsistencies with it.
In her article, Sereny said she phoned Gray and he admitted that he had never
been there. She takes a few other people to task too, including Martin Gilbert
for his gullibility.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Wed Dec 20 09:15:42 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 23:11:15 GMT
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In article
ka[email protected] “Charles R.L. Power” writes:
> Oh, the writer lied? Well, shame on him for lying.
> Your point being?
Are you saying lies don’t matter when they support the Exterminationist case?
> Because his lies were similar to other Holocaust testimony, that other
> testimony must be lies as well? Doesn’t work that way, Al.
I’m afraid it does, you simply assume that other testimony is truthful.
> That because we didn’t recognize a bit of fiction obviously based on bits
> and pieces of authentic Holocaust testimony
Who says it was based on Holocaust testimony?
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Wed Dec 20 09:15:43 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 23:14:37 GMT
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In article [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> I never heard of Martin Gray. What I meant, obviously, is that
> the testimony is not contradictory to what took place in Treblinka.
The “testimony” is a tissue of lies because Gray was never at Treblinka.
You said you’d never read fake testimony Dan, well you have now.
> If Baron could read, he would understand this. But, this is the same
> Baron who read Hoessler’s testimony, in which he says he took a woman
> out of a transport heading towards the gas chambers, and added “she was
> not in the gas chamber”; and, after reading it, Baron claimed that
> Hoessler testified that he put on a gas mask, entered the gas chamber
> and took the woman out.
> Baron has to admit one of the two: either he’s a liar, or he’s mentally
> retarded. What’s it going to be? Both, maybe?
You’re forgetting something Dan. Have you read the book cover to cover? If
you had, you wouldn’t say that. By the way, I’ll be posting my latest effort
shortly after Christmas. I wouldn’t be surprised if it gets an oblique
reference in the un-Jewish Chronicle.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Wed Dec 20 23:55:56 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Another Silly Analogy from Lyin’ Al
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> Another silly analogy from Lyin’ Al. Are you suggesting that
>the report
> was not thoroughly checked. If it was not I assume the person who failed to
> do so would quickly be looking for work.
I am suggesting that the Prime Minister did not check the source but assumed
his researcher did. Exactly the same way I assumed that both the defence AND
the prosecution at the Zundel trial did. It goes to show you can’t trust anyone.
Especially lawyers.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Wed Dec 20 23:55:57 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 95 00:23:41 GMT
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
>He also exhibits another trait, and that
> is resorting to venom and viciousness when he is caught in a lie, which seems
> to occur with great frequency.
No dear fellow, it wasn’t me who was caught in a lie; I gave Dan a piece of
fake testimony and he said it sounds perfectly genuine to him. The point is
that most all survivor testimony sounds like that, so how does he know any of
them are genuine?
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Wed Dec 20 23:55:58 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron Keeps Evading (Re: Baron Cannot Answer a Simple Question)
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In article
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> Al, your lies extend beyond the ones Mr. Keren has caught you in. Does
> your recent pamphlet address those as well?
Actually I want to thank Dan, because his correcting one of my mistakes led
me to do further research which makes this pamphlet all the more devastating.
I’m sure Organised Jewry will be very grateful to you Dan.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Wed Dec 20 23:55:59 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Al Baron’s “documentation” of Ritual Murder?
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In article
[email protected] “David Johnston” writes:
> If it did, whoever wrote and published the article committed a fairly
> serious crime. It would be interesting to know why the police, who were the
> targets of this incitement, did not prosecute.
I’ll tell you why, because our system of justice has been so thoroughly subverted
by Zionist hatemongers and “anti-racist” (ie socialist) gerrymanderers that
no one gives a fuck about scum who incite murder against the police and the
police have far more important things on their plate, like protecting lovely
Jews like Dan Keren and Harry Mazal from the likes of Lady Birdwood. As of
this week the police know it too, because my last mailing went out to them!
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Wed Dec 20 23:56:00 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Al Baron’s “documentation” of Ritual Murder?
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In article
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
>Everything you do and say is tainted by the fact that you are
> a corrupt, anti-Semitic bigot who thinks nothing of telling outright lies
> and distortions of fact.
No dear chap, I just happen to believe that taking the piss out of lovely Jews
like Dan Keren is not even a misdemeanor. Direct incitements to murder police
officers, judges and Michael Portillo, that is a different kettle of fish
though. In my book. I can’t speak for anyone else, certainly not the Rt Hon
Gerald Kaufman MP
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Wed Dec 20 23:56:00 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Some Questions for Mr. Baron
(Was:Re: A Revisionist History Of The 1960s Synagogue Arsons)
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In article
[email protected] “David Johnston” writes:
> It must be a bit confusing living down
> there – thank the Lord I live in Scotland.
The Romans made one big mistake; instead of Hadrian’s Wall they should have
built a ten foot hire electrified razor wire fence surrounded by a minefield.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> By the way, your labels are incorrect. The correct terms are “deniers” and
> “historians”. This is a free public service.
The term “deniers” is certainly incorrect because no one in his right mind
“denies” the Holocaust; what Revisionists do is challenge specifically the
claims of genocide and gas chambers. The term deniers is an epithet used to
vilify Revisionists by grossly overstating and traducing their case.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “ibokor” writes:
> Alexander Baron ([email protected]) wrote:
> :
> : And what exactly is a “racist”?
> :
> “Racism The theory that distinctive human characteristics,
> abilities, etc. are determined by race.”
Well, I don’t see anything controversial or hateful about that. I believe
that race, environment and many other things make us what we are. Don’t you?
> (The Shorter Oxford english Dictionary (1982) Vol. II p. 2654)
> Hence “racist”. However, many Northern Americans use “racist”
> synonymously with “racialist”.
> “Racialism Belief in the superiority of a particular race; antagonism
> between different races of man”
I don’t see that there is a connection between a belief in superiority and
antagonism. Most people I know believe human beings are superior to dogs. That
doesn’t mean they hate dogs.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 22 00:35:33 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Yankee lies about the Iraqi Holocaust
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In article
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> Now, how, exactly, did Al say Greepeace calculated their casultiy
> estimates? With a Ouija board maybe?
Thanks for the extensive analysis. I visited the Red Cross the other week to
do some research; I told the librarian the figures you mentioned and he laughed
at them. Now you know what it feels like to be a Holocaust Revisionist. They’ll
be throwing you into gaol next.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 22 00:35:34 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Some Questions for Mr. Baron
(Was:Re: A Revisionist History Of The 1960s Synagogue Arsons)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Hilary Ostrov” writes:
> I do wonder what Al Baron wants to be when he grows up. Maybe his
> intimate friend Mr. Aaron Silvers will tell us.
Keep repeating nonsense you don’t understand. And the lies that Harry has
swallowed.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 22 00:35:35 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Baron Keeps Evading (Re: Baron Cannot Answer a Simple Question)
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
>Moreover what you have never admitted is that your
> presentation of the Mueller Document as fact was as much as result of your
> sloppy and incompetent research as your gullibility.
Because it wasn’t; it was the result of taking at face value a document that
was accepted by the prosecution as genuine. If I am at fault so were they.
> Frankly, I find Dr. Keren’s statements, unlike yours, to be routinely
> supported by his sources. I would have no trouble defending them in before
> a jury against the attacks you have mounted. In fact, I think that it would be
> a
> piece of cake for even a mediochre trial lawyer like me.
I think you would have; as for your admission of mediocrity, I won’t challenge
that.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 22 14:37:16 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Charles Don Hall” writes:
> Now, there *have* been cases of forced integration, but they weren’t
> created by judical fiat. For example, many types of segregation
> were banned by the Civil Rights Act of 1964. This was an ordinary
> piece of legislation, passed in the ordinary way. It could easily
> be repealed, if the American people voted in a set of Congressmen
> who opposed it. However, the law enjoys broad popular support,
> and its been years since any major political figure campaigned
> against it. (I guess the Libertarians oppose it, but it’s not
> something that they talk about much.)
In this country you don’t have any choice; as a Libertarian I would oppose
any attempt to interfere with properties rights, which is what all “equal
opportunities” legislation has led to in practice.
> >> Is it because you think that racial tensions will increase? That’s
> >> not a valid reason, either. Integration works to reduce racial
> >> tension, because it gives the kids a chance to get to know each
> >> other as individuals.
> >That is totally contrary to fact.
> Well, all I can say is that that’s what I experienced when I
> attended racially-mixed public schools (1967-1980). What did
> you experience when *you* attended racially-mixed public
> schools?
Forced integration is part of a political agenda; the people who are
pushing it don’t give a monkey’s about blacks or anyone else.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 22 14:37:17 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article
[email protected] “Marty Kelley” writes:
> And does Sowell also say that _Brown_ is bad law? There’s a world of
> difference between objecting to affirmative action and condemning all
> Federal desegregation laws. Do Williams or Sowell object to the Civil
> Rights Acts of 1964 as well? Can you provide a specific reference in
> which either writer states that _Plessey v. Ferguson_’s rationale for
> “separate but equal” is a good thing?
I’ve read Sowell’s “Civil Rights” cover to cover and don’t think he mentions
either case, but he has some strong words for “affirmative action”.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 22 14:37:18 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> So, if a certain woman falsely accuses someone of raping her, does
> this mean that *all* women lie when they testify about being raped?
> Why are you such a bloody idiot?
A better analogy is if a certain woman claims falsely to have been abducted
by a UFO does that mean all alien abductions are false? Of course not.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 22 14:37:19 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> I might add that neither of the two respondents called you a liar.
> Both merely expressed curiosity about what was so unbelievable about
> an account of brutality in a concentration camp, brutality which you
> like to minimize, but that even you admit did take place.
I have never tried to minimise it simply put it into context.
> You played a cheap and shabby trick which scored a cheap and shabby
> point, and it is a trick that anyone who is basically dishonest can
> successfully play on honest people who have enough respect for their
> debating opponents
Dan Keren is so honest that he takes at face value the most ridiculous
testimonies simply because they support his fantasies of Nazis with whips
and torture chambers.
> For all the slagging off that goes back and forth, people have at
> least had enough respect for you that they expect that you will say
> what you mean, that you will not deliberately set out to make fools of
> them.
Martin Gray’s book went through 40 editions; he made fools of many people.
Why don’t you condemn him first? Him and all the other damned liars?
One other thing you’re forgetting: I said it was fake testimony; Dan then
explained why he thought it wasn’t.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 22 14:37:19 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article
ka[email protected] “Charles R.L. Power” writes:
> Now as to how this particular lie “matters,” I would say simply that lies
> should be exposed as lies, and that you have demonstrated that legitimate
> Holocaust scholars do, in fact, expose lies as lies, since your own
> “exposure” depends on the work of such a legitimate Holocaust scholar,
> doesn’t it?
ONE Holocaust “scholar” denounced this; the reason she did it she made quite
plain. Because testimonies such as Gray’s give credence to Revisionism. The
rest of her article was a dishonest polemic against the likes of Richard
Verrall and Arthur Butz.
> >I’m afraid it does, you simply assume that other testimony is truthful.
> I’m assuming nothing here. I’m simply saying that presenting particular
> experiences as one’s own does not mean that no one has had those
> experiences. Again, here in the U.S. we have a fair little group of guys
> who’ve gotten ahold of Congressional Medals of Honor by purchase or other
> means, and who then pretend to have gotten them as awards. This doesn’t
> mean that no one has ever been legitimately awarded these medals, does
> it? Do I need to make this any clearer, Al?
Have you ever tried reading survivor testimony with a critical eye? A lot of
it actually lends more support to the Revisionists.
> (have you ever looked through THE
> GOOD OLD DAYS, which has been massively quoted on this newsgroup?).
Not yet. This is a fairly recent book; I am mistrustful of any Exterminationist
tract published from the late seventies on. Some of the older stuff contains
some incredible material.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron’s Big Chance (Re: RABIN-STERN GANG/IRGUN OR???)
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> One isn’t a rabbi, the other one has an unsavoury past. Mr. Baron is quite
> comfortable
> in the presence of these two; perhaps because of where he was in 1983 and
> 1985.
I didn’t meet Rabbi “Cohen” until 1990; he introduced me to Rabbi Goldstein
about 1993. But he doesn’t exist, remember?
> lavatory-paper pamphlet extolling the marvels of his ‘Aryan’ past. Would Mr.
> Silvers care to comment?
This may come as a surprise to you Harry but I am not an “Aryan”. Dig?
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Baron’s Big Chance (Re: RABIN-STERN GANG/IRGUN OR???)
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> That’s exactly what we are asking you. You have continually
> cited these people as paradigms of Judaism. It is well past time for
> you to come clean about their backgorunds? Who are your “real Jews”
> lyin’ Al? Why are you so shy about telling us — or is the statement above
> an good indication of why?
I told you Yale, the Neturei Karta. If you were a good lawyer Yale I’d ask
you to contact one of Harry’s friends. He needs one but he can’t afford to
pay Central London rates anymore. Snigger, snigger.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 22 14:37:21 PST 1995
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Al Baron’s “documentation” of Ritual Murder?
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In article
[email protected] “David Johnston” writes:
> That’s the one. She has a long history of support for racial hatred and
> Nazism.
Absolute garbage.
>She is not just some dotty, slightly senile old lady, as Baron likes
> to pretend.
Oh yes she is.
>Funny that Baron supports her, a *proven* hate-monger and advocate
> of extreme terror against minorities
Lies pure and simple. Give me one example.
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Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 22 14:37:22 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Baron’s Big Chance (Re: RABIN-STERN GANG/IRGUN OR???)
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
>The ‘rabbi’ that Mr. Baron
> is so fond of does exist. Is this ‘rabbi’ a child molester as Mr. Baron
> suggests?
More to the point is that what you’re suggesting? Sounds like anti-Semitism
to me Harry. I always thought it was vicars who molested choir boys.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 22 14:37:23 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: Another Silly Analogy from Lyin’ Al
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Don’t be so coy, Mr. Baron. Who is it that says that all survivor
> testimony is a pack of lies?
I don’t know.
>Who is it that insinuates that every
> inconvenient document is a communist forgery?
I don’t know.
>Who is it that argues
> that Jews didn’t really suffer from the anti-Jewish laws?
I don’t know.
>Who is it
> that asserts that every Nazi testimony was extorted by torture?
I don’t know.
>Who is
> is that asserts that the genocide was not real but a tale concocted
> out of “massive collusion” (please note that I did not use the word
> “conspiracy”)?
I don’t know.
> Why, it is you, Mr. Baron! I think the term “denier” is rather apt,
> especially in your case.
Wrong on both counts.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 22 17:40:55 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 95 20:29:45 GMT
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Charles Don Hall” writes:
> Now, there *have* been cases of forced integration, but they weren’t
> created by judical fiat. For example, many types of segregation
> were banned by the Civil Rights Act of 1964. This was an ordinary
> piece of legislation, passed in the ordinary way. It could easily
> be repealed, if the American people voted in a set of Congressmen
> who opposed it. However, the law enjoys broad popular support,
> and its been years since any major political figure campaigned
> against it. (I guess the Libertarians oppose it, but it’s not
> something that they talk about much.)
In this country you don’t have any choice; as a Libertarian I would oppose
any attempt to interfere with properties rights, which is what all “equal
opportunities” legislation has led to in practice.
> >> Is it because you think that racial tensions will increase? That’s
> >> not a valid reason, either. Integration works to reduce racial
> >> tension, because it gives the kids a chance to get to know each
> >> other as individuals.
> >That is totally contrary to fact.
> Well, all I can say is that that’s what I experienced when I
> attended racially-mixed public schools (1967-1980). What did
> you experience when *you* attended racially-mixed public
> schools?
Forced integration is part of a political agenda; the people who are
pushing it don’t give a monkey’s about blacks or anyone else.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 22 17:40:56 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article
[email protected] “Marty Kelley” writes:
> And does Sowell also say that _Brown_ is bad law? There’s a world of
> difference between objecting to affirmative action and condemning all
> Federal desegregation laws. Do Williams or Sowell object to the Civil
> Rights Acts of 1964 as well? Can you provide a specific reference in
> which either writer states that _Plessey v. Ferguson_’s rationale for
> “separate but equal” is a good thing?
I’ve read Sowell’s “Civil Rights” cover to cover and don’t think he mentions
either case, but he has some strong words for “affirmative action”.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 22 17:40:57 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> So, if a certain woman falsely accuses someone of raping her, does
> this mean that *all* women lie when they testify about being raped?
> Why are you such a bloody idiot?
A better analogy is if a certain woman claims falsely to have been abducted
by a UFO does that mean all alien abductions are false? Of course not.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> I might add that neither of the two respondents called you a liar.
> Both merely expressed curiosity about what was so unbelievable about
> an account of brutality in a concentration camp, brutality which you
> like to minimize, but that even you admit did take place.
I have never tried to minimise it simply put it into context.
> You played a cheap and shabby trick which scored a cheap and shabby
> point, and it is a trick that anyone who is basically dishonest can
> successfully play on honest people who have enough respect for their
> debating opponents
Dan Keren is so honest that he takes at face value the most ridiculous
testimonies simply because they support his fantasies of Nazis with whips
and torture chambers.
> For all the slagging off that goes back and forth, people have at
> least had enough respect for you that they expect that you will say
> what you mean, that you will not deliberately set out to make fools of
> them.
Martin Gray’s book went through 40 editions; he made fools of many people.
Why don’t you condemn him first? Him and all the other damned liars?
One other thing you’re forgetting: I said it was fake testimony; Dan then
explained why he thought it wasn’t.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 22 17:40:58 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article
ka[email protected] “Charles R.L. Power” writes:
> Now as to how this particular lie “matters,” I would say simply that lies
> should be exposed as lies, and that you have demonstrated that legitimate
> Holocaust scholars do, in fact, expose lies as lies, since your own
> “exposure” depends on the work of such a legitimate Holocaust scholar,
> doesn’t it?
ONE Holocaust “scholar” denounced this; the reason she did it she made quite
plain. Because testimonies such as Gray’s give credence to Revisionism. The
rest of her article was a dishonest polemic against the likes of Richard
Verrall and Arthur Butz.
> >I’m afraid it does, you simply assume that other testimony is truthful.
> I’m assuming nothing here. I’m simply saying that presenting particular
> experiences as one’s own does not mean that no one has had those
> experiences. Again, here in the U.S. we have a fair little group of guys
> who’ve gotten ahold of Congressional Medals of Honor by purchase or other
> means, and who then pretend to have gotten them as awards. This doesn’t
> mean that no one has ever been legitimately awarded these medals, does
> it? Do I need to make this any clearer, Al?
Have you ever tried reading survivor testimony with a critical eye? A lot of
it actually lends more support to the Revisionists.
> (have you ever looked through THE
> GOOD OLD DAYS, which has been massively quoted on this newsgroup?).
Not yet. This is a fairly recent book; I am mistrustful of any Exterminationist
tract published from the late seventies on. Some of the older stuff contains
some incredible material.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 22 17:40:59 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron’s Big Chance (Re: RABIN-STERN GANG/IRGUN OR???)
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> One isn’t a rabbi, the other one has an unsavoury past. Mr. Baron is quite
> comfortable
> in the presence of these two; perhaps because of where he was in 1983 and
> 1985.
I didn’t meet Rabbi “Cohen” until 1990; he introduced me to Rabbi Goldstein
about 1993. But he doesn’t exist, remember?
> lavatory-paper pamphlet extolling the marvels of his ‘Aryan’ past. Would Mr.
> Silvers care to comment?
This may come as a surprise to you Harry but I am not an “Aryan”. Dig?
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Baron’s Big Chance (Re: RABIN-STERN GANG/IRGUN OR???)
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> That’s exactly what we are asking you. You have continually
> cited these people as paradigms of Judaism. It is well past time for
> you to come clean about their backgorunds? Who are your “real Jews”
> lyin’ Al? Why are you so shy about telling us — or is the statement above
> an good indication of why?
I told you Yale, the Neturei Karta. If you were a good lawyer Yale I’d ask
you to contact one of Harry’s friends. He needs one but he can’t afford to
pay Central London rates anymore. Snigger, snigger.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 22 17:41:00 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Al Baron’s “documentation” of Ritual Murder?
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In article
[email protected] “David Johnston” writes:
> That’s the one. She has a long history of support for racial hatred and
> Nazism.
Absolute garbage.
>She is not just some dotty, slightly senile old lady, as Baron likes
> to pretend.
Oh yes she is.
>Funny that Baron supports her, a *proven* hate-monger and advocate
> of extreme terror against minorities
Lies pure and simple. Give me one example.
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Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 22 17:41:01 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Baron’s Big Chance (Re: RABIN-STERN GANG/IRGUN OR???)
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
>The ‘rabbi’ that Mr. Baron
> is so fond of does exist. Is this ‘rabbi’ a child molester as Mr. Baron
> suggests?
More to the point is that what you’re suggesting? Sounds like anti-Semitism
to me Harry. I always thought it was vicars who molested choir boys.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 22 17:41:01 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Another Silly Analogy from Lyin’ Al
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Don’t be so coy, Mr. Baron. Who is it that says that all survivor
> testimony is a pack of lies?
I don’t know.
>Who is it that insinuates that every
> inconvenient document is a communist forgery?
I don’t know.
>Who is it that argues
> that Jews didn’t really suffer from the anti-Jewish laws?
I don’t know.
>Who is it
> that asserts that every Nazi testimony was extorted by torture?
I don’t know.
>Who is
> is that asserts that the genocide was not real but a tale concocted
> out of “massive collusion” (please note that I did not use the word
> “conspiracy”)?
I don’t know.
> Why, it is you, Mr. Baron! I think the term “denier” is rather apt,
> especially in your case.
Wrong on both counts.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Sat Dec 23 12:09:32 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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In article
[email protected] “Jamie McCarthy” writes:
> I suspect what Mr. Baron is really asking is “why would they give her
> and Mr. Mazal an OBE, and not give _me_ one?”
Why should anyone give you one?
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Sat Dec 23 12:09:33 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Since you regularly refer to the Zuendel trial as the source of your
> knowledge about the Mueller document, which of the reports of trial
> presented the prosecutions response?
I am citing from Lenski’s book; I have also read selected Canadian press reports
and some (surprisingly objective) mainstream media coverage which was compiled
by Zundel and co. None of these mentioned the Mueller Document. Neither does
Lipstadt’s book. I suspect that the reason for this is that – forgery or not –
it contains more than a grain of truth, and the Exterminationist Lobby don’t
want to draw attention to the Dachau gas chamber fraud nor the myriad lies
that have been told about the Holocaust relating to the camps in Germany.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Sat Dec 23 12:09:33 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Another Silly Analogy from Lyin’ Al
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
>You did not even bother
> to check your so-called source as the Mueller Document was *not* an exhibit
> in evidence at the Zundel trial or even read the document you cited.
> Intellectual
> dishonesty, pure and simple.
Yale, I suspect that your continuied carping on about this is boring other
people too. Perhaps you should have asked Dan Keren to check the “testimony”
of Martin Gray? He didn’t; he simply assumed that it was genuine even after
I had told him it was an admitted fraud. By the way, I’ve just published a
pamphlet which contains an admission by an “orthodox” academic who has admitted
to me privately that he doesn’t believe in the Holocaust but is too spineless
to admit it. Perhaps he’s afraid of you?
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Sat Dec 23 12:09:34 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Revisionist Mathematics: The Kleim Theorum
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Ken McVay OBC” writes:

> In article ,
> Daniel Keren (who “knows nothing of western mathematics”) wrote:
> >Well, Daniel, I agree that Kleim is smarter than, say, Dan
> >Gannon, Al Baron, and Tom Moran.
Why don’t you phone Woburn House and ask THEM who is smarter than Al Baron?
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Sat Dec 23 12:09:35 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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In article
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> Holocaust deniers offer no _revision_ of the history of the Holocaust as
> they offer no _explinations_ that fit the evidence. Instead they simply
> _deny_. (And deny and deny and deny…)
I’ll have to deny that.
> That is not historical
> revisionism, but _propaganda_. And _what_ is this propaganda for? To
> simply deny the systematic and premeditated mass-murder of European Jewry?
Perhaps there was no premeditated, systematic murder?
> The _one_ ultimate crime, the greatest evil of the Nazis that sets them
> apart from all else, is their commision of the Holocaust.
Because Jewish suffering is far more important than anyone else’s?
Could it be that
> if the Holocaust deniers could lead people to believe that the Nazi did
> _not_ commit the Holocaust (i.e. the genocide, the gas chambers, the
> extermination and concentration camps, etc.) that they could say that, in
> the end, the Nazis were no different than we?
It’s a frightening thought, isn’t it?
>That morally we were just as
> “evil” as they and they us? And of course, as _we_ are not evil then how
> could _they_ be evil? Ergo, the Nazis weren’t evil and National Socialism
> is not evil and is a morally, socially, and politcally acceptale ideology.
> Now. Today. In your country. In the town you live in.
If your “case” against National Socialism is the Holocaust you haven’t got a
case.
—
Alexander Baron

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article
[email protected] “Marty Kelley” writes:
> On Thu, 21 Dec 1995, Alexander Baron wrote:
> > I’ve read Sowell’s “Civil Rights” cover to cover and don’t think he mentions
> > either case, but he has some strong words for “affirmative action”.
> OK, Mr. Baron, then would you please answer the question I originally
> asked: Do either Sowell or Walter Williams argue, as you earlier
> suggested they did, that they _support_ the kinds of racial segregation
> that existed before _Brown_ and before the Civil Rights Act of 1964? If
> they do not, will you issue a retraction of your earlier comments?
Libertarians don’t support compulsion. I suggest you write and ask Sowell and
Williams in person if they support “integrating” schools at the point of a
bayonet; I’ll wager they answer no. The kind of racial segregation you mention
before Brown didn’t exist. This is part of the fantasy.
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Alexander Baron

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
>does
> that mean all revisionists are liars and idiots?
If that is not your view you speak for Mike Stein alone. It is the view of
Dan Keren, John Morris and all mainstream “academics”. In other words, if
you disagree with them you are a moron or a liar. That is known as poisoning
the well.
Re THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK, as I have said before, it is understandable that
its authenticity has been challenged because of the different stories that have
been told about how it was found and the way it has been edited for different
editions. There was also a genuine misunderstanding over the Meyer Levin case.
This is yet another reason people should not rush to judgment about Revisionists
or anyone else: the media is full of misinformation, much of it based on sloppy
research, but much due to the fact that it is impossible to research absolutely
everything about any subject.
—
Alexander Baron

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article
ka[email protected] “Charles R.L. Power” writes:
> Alexander Baron writes:
> >ONE Holocaust “scholar” denounced this; the reason she did it she made quite
> >plain. Because testimonies such as Gray’s give credence to Revisionism.
> How do they do so? Could you quote her on this? The part you quoted did
> not seem particularly fanciful, as many have noted. I’ve an idea you’re
> giving us a very selective view of this matter. Can you give a precise
> reference for this article by Serenny (pardon the spelling–this is the
> woman who did the recent book on Speer, right?).
New Statesman, November 2, 1979. You might find this in one or two of
the bigger American libraries.
> Actually, survivor testimony not my cup of tea, and I’ve read very
> little. However, I do remember your months-long harangue about Kitty
> Hart, so your judgement in such matters is more than a little suspect.
Kitty – I saw the little babies thrown into the fire while I was sunbathing
– Hart?
> Good lord, you haven’t read any recent scholarship because you “distrust”
> it? I guess there’s a chance it will disagree with your preconceptions?
I didn’t say I hadn’t read any recent books on the Holocaust; I’ve read
quite a few, including Pressac and Lipstadt. What I said, or meant, was that
most of them have a very specific agenda.
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Alexander Baron

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From: Alexander Baron
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Does Mr. Baron laugh and chortle when consulting his pal the ‘defrocked’
> (his own word) rabbi who was overly fond of young chilren?
I should be very careful if I were you Harry; you could get yourself a
reputation as an anti-Semite making allegations like that.
—
Alexander Baron

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <[email protected]>
dmittlem[email protected] “Daniel Mittleman” writes:
> Does it occur to you that Whites don’t go to Harlem late at night
> anymore because the cabarets that were there in the 1930s are now in
> other parts of New York? Does it occur to you that people (everywhere
> in the industrial worldOP) do not sleep out on fire escapes
> and sleeping porches as much now as in the 1930s because room air
> conditioners are more common and more affordable?
What does occur to me is that the more people meddle in “race relations”
the worse they get.
> >> We’ll leave aside the
> >> bayonets for the moment; as several other participants in a.r. have
> >> pointed out, the National Guard was there to protect the black children
> >> from white adults seeking to harm them
Again, the wicked white racists. I presume the fact that no black kids were
murdered vindicates your belief in the efficacy of the bayonet?
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> Assuming for the sake of argument that what you say is true, I find
> it hard to belive that by this time Faurission has not become aware of
> the errors in his work. Has he ever retracted or apologized? I’ve never
> seen it, and I’ve seen at least one reference to his work on this
> subject made in the last few months.
Perhaps he suffers from the same problem as Suzman, Diamond and Mazal:
intellectual dishonesty.
–
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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The Sunday Times Magazine for December 24 has an interesting snippet about
school desegregation in Little Rock. According to this article, the Governor
attempted to use “States Rights” to prevent black kids entering the school.
I’m not too sure about what States Rights means but I did read somewhere that
in the final analysis all states are supposed to have the last word on how
their money is spent and with regard to local laws, etc.
According to this, there were about 200 demonstrators who tried to march on
the building with the same aim. I seem to recall that there were also a good
many so-called supporters there, the majority of them white and from out of
town. All supporters of American “democracy” I suppose. And the same kind of
people who made a virtue out of spitting on the American flag.
—
Alexander Baron

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From: Alexander Baron
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> I checked with the only Professor Garrett I know. Bill Garrett
> in the anthropology depatment at Penn State. He says he has never
> had anything negative to say about desegregation.
Yale, I can hardly believe that an arsehole like you can exist. It’s a pity
you don’t give your immediate attention to Jewish lies. Try Henry Garrett.
—
Alexander Baron

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From: Alexander Baron
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> Nowhere does your source state that it was marked as an
> exhibit or moved into evidence. Pearson could not, therefore, have
> stipulated to its accuracy.
For the final time Yale, there is no indication in the book that this
document was thought to be a forgery, and Lachout was not accused of perjury.
Baron’s honesty is vindicated. Now if you want to chase up lies, why don’t
you consult your co-racialist Mr Mazal and ask him about the lies of Suzman
and Diamond?
—
Alexander Baron

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From: Alexander Baron
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In article <[email protected]>
dmittlem[email protected] “Daniel Mittleman” writes:
> I wonder if something gets lost in translation here. Are they saying
> that “no one is allowed to question the gas chambers” or are they
> saying “no evidence supports the questioning of the gas chambers”?
The former: ask any “orthodox” historian. Don’t forget, it has now been made
illegal to even ask the question in Germany. Under pressure largely from
those poor, persecuted, POWERLESS people.
> I read your statement to say “Irving had doubts about the diaries
> before he began using shoddy research methods.” OK, I’ll buy that as a
> possibility. In which book can I read about Irving’s doubts (so I can
> check the quality of his questions – and doubts – myself)?
I suggest you E-mail Greg Raven. Round about 1980 there was something in
the New Statesman about it. I believe that a number of schoolteachers have
also expressed doubts about the diary, and I don’t see why they shouldn’t.
People aren’t accused of bigotry because they believe the CIA murdered Kennedy.
—
Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Mr. Baron has been asked by several people as to his whereabouts in 1983 and
> 1985. He has thus far refused to answer. He offers as an addled excuse that
> any comment on this would affect his present lawsuits. This, of course, is not
> so.
> Once again, let us ask Mr. Baron where he was in 1983 and 1985, and why
> he refuses to answer.
And I have told you Harry, I am not prepared to comment on anything that
remotely touches on my litigation. If you know something, or think you do,
then post it. If not, shut up. Either way, don’t expect me to comment on it.
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Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> At the time you cited the Mueller Document you had reason to
> believe that two other witnesses at the trial — Leuchter and Irving — had
> perjured themselves and had not been exposed by Lenski.
I exposed Irving’s perjury. No one else knew about it because it overlapped
with some other research I was doing. ME, Al Baron. Not Lenski, not anyone
else. This is my baby.
> I have accused you of being an incompetent dolt as a result
> of citing a document you have not read and did not check out.
No Yale, you accused me of lying. Are you retracting that allegation now?
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Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> I find no “Henry Garrett” listed in either the AAUP directory or
> the directory of law school professors published by West. Why don’t you
> learn to cite something intelligibly?
I suggest you try some old obituaries. Henry E. Garrett was an Emeritus
in the 70s. He is the author of a short monograph “IQ and Racial Differences”
and a devastating critique of Otto Klineberg’s UN sponsored race tract.
—
Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
>The fact is that you are a dishonest person
> with a history of dishonesty which you frequently attempt to evade with
> vilest of bigoted invective and most transparent of lies.
Poor Yale, you really do believe the only reason anyone could hate you is
anti-Semitism.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Revisionist Mathematics: The Kleim Theorum
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 95 18:37:53 GMT
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
>He published the name and address of one
> such ‘rabbi’ (who turned out not to be a rabbi at all), and offered to
> identify the second one but only through a confidential e-mail.
Rabbi Goldstein is the PR man for the Neturei Karta in the UK; now if you
think he is not a Rabbi that’s your problem.
> Why would Mr. Baron wish to conceal his second source? He himself
> gave us the hint. It is now quite clear that Mr. Baron’s ‘rabbi’ is a convicted
> child molestor. For someone who is so vociferously homophobic, Mr.
> Baron could not admit to this relationship in public. Perhaps the
> gentleman in question was once a rabbi. That is irrelevant. There are bad
> and good leaders in all religions. What is relevant is why Mr. Baron
> would have chosen a child molestor as a friend.
Harry, you’ve finally flipped your lid.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Baron Can’t Get It Straight
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> I have accused you of lying because of your reckless disregard
> for the truth as demonstrated by your Capone article,
I have just been looking at my Capone pamphlet and if you check the source notes
I use you will see they do indeed check out. I didn’t read Kobler cover to cover;
the reference to his gaol sentence for a firearm misdemeanor came from Ness’s
book. If I was wrong it’s because I was quoting Ness. For the record Yale,
you’re too stupid to realise that A REVISIONIST HISTORY OF PROHIBITION isn’t
really about a kind, generous man named Al Capone anymore than ANIMAL FARM
was really about an unkind farmer. Why not E-mail John Morris about this? He’s
not as stupid as you; he’s also discussed it with me in a small way.
>your accusations about
> Dr. Jeffries,
I explained – in case you missed it – that I did indeed cite the Jeffries
article correctly, it was the article, not me, who was wrong. I took this
>from THE TRUTH AT LAST, which although an anti-Semitic newspaper is often
reliable on facts though it eres on interpretation. When this was pointed
out I withdrew. See?
—
Alexander Baron

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From [email protected] Fri Dec 29 16:59:54 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Baron, Oprah, and Ritual Murder
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 95 19:08:47 GMT
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In article
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> In article <814355[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
I can’t reply to all this: life isn’t long enough. Why don’t you write a
book?
> I find this a typical Baron caveat. Any errors or fabrications in his
> posts are not _his_ fault but the fault of his _sources_. Baron’s
> duplicity is as contemptable as it is transparent. If Baron is so
> “concerned” about the veracity of his sources then why doesn’t he
> _research_ his sources to see if the claims are true or not and that they
> show academic integrity? Does Baron fear what he may find?
I posted this as an example; I haven’t the time to research every old
wive’s tale I hear. When I publish something I research it in more depth.
This was not for publication. Yet.
> > I will say only that I find the testimony of alien abductions equally
> > convincing.
> Which is saying nothing at all. If Baron _doesn’t_ believe what this
> anti-Semitic loon, the “gullible” Lady Birdwood, has given him, why does
> he then post it? As an example of unbelievable claims? Then why not _say_
> so unequivocably? Why be so coy about it? If, on the other hand, Baron
> _does_ believe in his post then why does he take such efforts to distance
> himself from it? Why does he try and shift the responsibility for his
> post’s credibility to the “gullible” Lady Birdwood?
The point I was making is that I don’t believe it but that Lady Birdwood
does, and that some people will believe anything of Jews or Nazis as long as
it is sufficiently horrendous but the former is taboo while the latter is not.
> > After hearing some of the revelations in the recent and ongoing trial of
> > Rosemary West I am inclined to say that I find this woman’s story far more
> > believable than Hart’s.
> Spell it out in detail, Baron. “Because I say so” is _not_ taking Hart’s
> story at face value, it is simply making an arrogant and unsupported
> statement.
I presume you are familiar with the West trial: the murder of West’s first
wife and adopted daughter and of their own daughter, and possible cannibalism?
Horror stories such as these make one wonder what to believe and what to reject.
> These are most interesting claims, considering that several major studies
> of ritual abuse contradict them. These studies by the governments of the
> United States, the state of Virginia, Great Britain, and the Netherlands
> show that their is no evidence for widespread ritual abuse conspiracies or
> inter-generatinal ritual abuse.
That may be true, but you are missing the point that these allegations were
taken seriously for a long time. Check out SATAN WANTS YOU by Robert D. Hicks.
There are also people serving long gaol sentences now, at this moment, for
absurd crimes of alleged Satanic abuse. This was reported in the Skeptical
Inquirer.
> What are we then to make of “Rachel’s” claims? Considering the evidence
> against her claims, I would say that she is either lying through her teeth
> or that she, if she was really being treated by a therapist, was induced
> to “remember” things that never happened. In either case her claims are
> without merit and fit for, if anything, one of Baron’s “lavatory
> pamphlets.”
I consider “false memories” to be a form of mental illness; certainly these
kinds of false memories.
> Now, Baron has challenged that: “if you take the likes of Kitty Hart at
> face value you must also take this – obviously mentally disturbed – young
> woman at face value.” Aside from the point that “Rachel” is _not_
> “obviously mentally disturbed” as nothing she said on the Oprah should
> could establish this, according to a practising psychologist who treats
> abused children, I _have_ taken her claims at face value- and then
> _researched_ them. The results pretty much indicate that her claims are
> fabrications, or at best “false memories.”
> What about Hart’s recounting of the baby surviving a gassing? Shall we
> also take _her_ accounting at face value (i.e. void of Baron’s rabid
> anti-Semitism and bigotry against Hart) and research it also? Let’s try:
> First, what did Hart _actually_ write? From her book, _Return to
> Auschwitz_, we find her words:
> It often happened that when the doors were opened too early some of the
> people were still alive. Once, to the horror of the men in the
> _Sonderkommando_, a tiny baby was found still sucking at its mothers
> breast. It had probably been sucking all the time and so had not inhaled
> the deadly fumes. S.S. man Wagner was furious. He snatched the baby away
> and threw it into a blazing oven.
> Obviously, Hart is recounting something _told_ to her and not something
> she witnessed herself.
The point is that Hart’s book is an autobiography. She also claims to have
seen “little babies thrown alive into burning pits”. This is bullshit too.
> Well, according to the _Auschwitz Chronicle, 1939-1945_, on September 3-4,
> 1941 a Russian POW _did_ survive a gassing with Zyklon-B in Block 11 at
> Auschwitz:
It doesn’t occur to you that just because these stories are repeated incessantly
it doesn’t make them true. Ditto all urban legends.
> Furthermore, according an exchange between Prosecutor Smirnov and Witness
> S. Smaglewska, before the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in
> 1946, children _were_ thrown alive into the crematorium furnaces:
Ironically, I’ve just finished reading some of her testimony today. Try
reading the rest of it.
–
Alexander Baron

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Reply to Ed Kent/Holocaust Survivor Denounces Gun Control
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Reply to Edward Kent ([email protected]).

Holocaust Survivor Denounces Anti-gun-ownership movement:
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The following material is from JPFO
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The following excerpt is from an interview conducted by
Aaron Zelman in 1990. Mr. Zelman is the founder of Jews for
the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO, 2872 S.
Wentworth Ave., Milwaukee, WI 53207 Phone: 414- 769-0760).
His subject was Theodore Haas, a former prisoner of the
infamous Dachau concentration camp.
A Warning: HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR DENOUNCES ANTI-GUN-OWNERSHIP
MOVEMENT
IF ONLY WE WERE ARMED
Q.
Did the camp inmates ever bring up the topic, “If only we
were armed before, we would not be here now”?
A.
Many, many times. Before Adolf Hitler came to power, there
was a black market in firearms, but the German people had
been so conditioned to be law abiding, that they would never
consider buying an unregistered gun. The German people
really believed that only hoodlums own such guns. What fools
we were. It truly frightens me to see how the government,
media, and some police groups in America are pushing for the
same mindset. In my opinion, the people of America had
better start asking and demanding answers to some hard
questions about firearms ownership, especially, if the
government does not trust me to own firearms, why or how can
the people be expected to trust the government?
There is no doubt in my mind that millions of lives could
have been saved if the people were not “brainwashed” about
gun ownership and had been well armed. Hitler’s thugs and
goons were not very brave when confronted by a gun. Gun
haters always want to forget the Warsaw Ghetto uprising,
which is a perfect example of how a ragtag, half-starved
group of Jews took up 10 handguns and made asses out of the
Nazis.
Q.
Did you have any contacts with the White Rose Society
(mostly German students against Hitler)? Did anyone try to
hide you from the Nazis?
A.
I did not, but my local friend, Richard Scholl, had two
cousins or nephews who were members. Both were executed in
Munich (I believe) for standing up for decency and freedom.
Not enough people knew about the White Rose Society. There
were many non-Jews who were not anti-Semetic and were very
much opposed to Hitler.
It was impossible to hide people from the Nazis in Germany –
it is so densely populated and food was rationed. Another
point that many people fail to understand is that in
Germany, you had a situation where the children were
reporting to their teachers if their parents listened to the
BBC on the short wave radio, or what they were talking about
at home. If a German was friendly to a Jew, he was warned
once. If he failed to heed the warning, he would disappear
and never be heard from again. This was known as “Operation
Night and Fog.”
Q.
Do you think American society has enough stability that Jews
and other minorities are safe from severe persecution?
A.
No. I think there is more anti-Semitism in America (some of
it caused by leftist Jewish politicians and organizations
who promote gun control schemes) than there was in Germany.
This may stun some people, but not all Germans hated Jews.
My best and devoted friends in Germany were Christians.
I perceive America as a very unstable society, due to the
social tinkering of the Kennedy/Metzenbaum-type politicians.
When I first came to this wonderful country after World War
II, America was a vibrant, dynamic and promising society.
There really was an American dream, attainable by those who
wanted to work. Now, due to the curse of Liberalism,
America is in a period of moral decline. Even worse,
corrupt criminals hold high political office, and you have
police officials who don’t give a damn about the Bill of
Rights. They just want to control people, not protect and
serve. When you study history, you see that when a country
becomes an immoral manure heap, as America is rapidly
becoming, all minorities suffer, and ultimately, all the
citizens.
Q.
What words of warning would you like to give to young people
who will
soon be eligible to vote?
A.
Vote only for politicians who trust the people to own all
types of firearms, and who have a strong pro-Second
Amendment voting record. Anti-gun-ownership politicians are
very dangerous to a free society. Liberty and freedom can
only be preserved by an armed citizenry. I see creeping
fascism in America, just as in Germany, a drip at a time; a
law here, a law there, all supposedly passed to protect the
public. Soon you have total enslavement. Too many Americans
have forgotten that tyranny often masquerades as doing good.
This IS the technique the Liberal politicians/Liberal media
alliance are using to enslave America.
Q.
What message do you have for ultra-Liberal organizations and
individuals who want Americans disarmed?
A.
Their ignorance is pitiful – their lives have been too easy.
Had they experienced Dachau, they would have a better idea
of how precious freedom is. These leftists should live in
the tradition of America or they should leave America.
These Sarah Brady types must be educated to understand that
because we have an armed citizenry, that a dictatorship has
not YET happened in America. These anti-gun fools are more
dangerous to Liberty than street criminals or foreign spies.
Q.
Some concentration camp survivors are opposed to gun
ownership. What message would you like to share with them?
A.
I would like to say, “You cowards; you gun haters, you don’t
deserve to live in America. Go live in the Soviet Union, if
you love gun control so damn much.” It was the stupidity of
these naive fools that aided and abetted Hitler’s goons and
thugs. Anti-gun-ownership Holocaust survivors insult the
memories of all those that needlessly perished for lack of
being able to adequately defend themselves.
Q.
It appears the Liberal left in America is tolerating, and
sometimes espousing anti-Semitism. Why do you think so many
Jews still support the leftist form of Liberalism?
A.
It is for this very reason that I firmly believe that we
harbor more stupid and naive people in our midst, than any
other group of people. It amazes me how Liberal Jews have
such short memories that today, they would be so supportive
and involved in setting up the mechanics of gun control, so
that a Holocaust can happen again. All they’re doing is
playing into the hands of the very clever communists who are
masters at conning Americans.
Q.
Why did you join JPFO?
A.
I feel every Jew should be armed to the teeth, as should
every American. I joined JPFO because as a group, we can
stand up to Liberal Jewish gun haters and also to Gestapo-
minded anti-gun police who want total control of the people.
I wish JPFO was in existence years ago. I believe the
Jewish involvement in gun control would not be anywhere
close to what it is today, but better now than never.
—
Alexander Baron

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article
[email protected] “Marty Kelley” writes:
> I note that you snipped one of my questions, Mr. Baron: What, in your
> opinion, were the “good old days” of pre-Civil Rights segregation like
> for blacks in America? If blacks were so happy with their lot under
> segregation, why did so many of them participate in civil disobediance?
> (Or were they simply dupes of International Jewry?)
A lot of Jews – mostly from the North – were involved in this campaign,
but it was primarily communist orchestrated. Most of the people around
Martin Luther King were communists. Most of the blacks who got involved
in these campaigns didn’t realise how oppressed and exploited they were
until they were whipped up into a frenzy by these scumbags. It’s also a great
irony that the blacks who have made the most noise about this sort
“oppression” have done all right for themselves. Those great champions of
“black rights” Martin Luther King, James Baldwin and Angela Davis all
received scholarships and awards by the white man so that they could go
about lecturing how America was oppressin them. The truth is that these people
are more red than black.
As for blacks being happy with their lot, why should they be? The Princess
of Wales isn’t happy with hers and look how much money she’s got. One thing
that really does piss me off is people – mostly non-whites and women – who
earn five or ten times as much as me telling me how I OPPRESS them by virtue
of the fact that I am male and white. Doesn’t that stick in your craw now
and again?
—
Alexander Baron

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From [email protected] Fri Dec 29 16:59:56 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Baron Keeps Evading (Re: Baron Cannot Answer a Simple Question)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Well, now I’m really confused. Jeff Roberts quoted Lenski as saying
> that Mark Weber read the document aloud as part of his testimony, and
> I got the distinct impression that Lachout was not present at the
> Zuendel trial.
He was. He gave evidence.
> The problem, as I see it, is not that you were taken in by the Lachout
> document, but rather that your sources of information, so far from
> disowning the document, continue to use the document as proof that
> there was no Holocaust. I don’t see any posts coming in where we find
> that Lenski has recanted, and I do see that Zuendel still sells a
> video on Lachout.
What Lenski and Lacout do is not the issue, Edeiken called me a liar, that
is the issue. I didn’t lie, I was taken in and I had the guts to admit it.
Which is more than I can say for Dan Keren.
> >Any dishonesty here is not mine; as soon as the forgery was brought to my
> >attention I disowned it.
> Well, that speaks better of you than it does of Lenski, or Zuendel, or
> Mark Weber. Yet you still rely on people like this for much of your
> information.
As I have said before, we all have to rely on other people for information.
The difference is that I am willing to admit that I was conned, Keren, Edeiken
and their ilk are not.
> > Who else has done that?
> Me. But in my case it is a little more complicated than simply
> dismissing a single case of forgery. A year ago I knew next to nothing
> about the Holocaust. Much of my experience of alt.revisionism has been
> in the rejection of the popular myths about the Holocaust such as the
> RIF soap story or that every concentration was an extermination camp.
> Much of my reading has unfortunately been to answer the specific
> objections of deniers, so I have had to hit the ground running so that
> there are a fair number of gaps in my general knowledge.
> I have gone to the professional academic historians for my
> information, because, unlike you, I have a great deal of respect for
> the basic honesty and integrity of historians since most of my closest
> academic contacts these days are with historians.
If you had studied the Sutton revelations you’d realise how little integrity
your much admired academics have.
> Since I have no way of transcribing a derisive snort, I will just say
> that I still at a complete loss as to what you think you have
> accomplished with your little trick other than an opportunity to slag
> off Danny Keren. I don’t see how Danny’s response was unreasonable: if
> Gray’s lies were based upon real testimony then they would have
> versimiltude.
That is the point: a great deal of such testimony has the appearance of
being genuine, that doesn’t mean it is. Keren said he had never come across
a piece of survivor testimony that was obviously fraudulent. If Gray’s
testimony sounded genuine to Keren he should ask himself how many other
plausible liars there are out there.
In your original post on Gray, you asked for nothing
> more than people’s opinions of their verisimilitude.
> But since you
> seem to think that you have accomplished something more than a
> betrayal of the basic good faith that people bring to a debate, I
> suppose we shall never hear the end of it.
Dan’s good faith extends as far as bolstering his own preconceived notions
of how “Nazis” are supposed to behave.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> The only way your activities in 1983 and 1985 touch on the any
> pending litigation is that, at trial, the judge will instruct the jury that they> have a right to question your credibility and that you have no reputation
> in the community protectd by law.
Yale, you are a) ignorant of the facts; b) ignorant of English law. You are
also ignorant of why Harry Mazal keeps trying to wind me up: the reason is that
he has been briefed by lying, scheming Zionist Jews in Britain – whom I could
but won’t name – to try to make me say something that will put me in breach
of the 1981 Contempt of Court Act. I have no doubt that he is saving all
these threads to disk and faxing them to his manipulators. Well I’ve got news
for you Harry, it ain’t gonna work. You can say anything you like about me in
this newsgroup and I have not the slightest intention of replying. I will save
my replies for the one place they count.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Fri Dec 29 16:59:58 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Some Questions for Mr. Baron
(Was:Re: A Revisionist History Of The 1960s Synagogue Arsons)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Alexander Baron wrote:
> >What frivolous and vexatious suits are they John?
> The ones you lost against the Commissioner of Police and Mike Whine of
> the BOD. The ones you described in a previous post as being for the
> publicity. I haven’t spoken to anyone in Britain about these suits in
> some time, so it may be that you have appealed the countersuits for
> costs which you also lost.
Like I said, I will have an announcement to make about this at the end of
January, beginning of February.
> I wish you’d make up your mind. So far you have called me an
> intellectual prostitute, then promoted me to what I can only imagine
> would be an intellectual slut only to demote me again to a
> closed-minded, orthodox historian which I gather is equivalent to an
> intellectual prostitute.
You’re actually one of the more honest Exterminationists in this group.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: An American’s visit to Dachau
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In article [email protected] “Freelance” writes:
And when a person dares to tell say that
> another’s first-person’s account is wrong, without having been there,
> that is the ultimate “revisionist,” for they seek to revise (or at least
> challenge) what a person remembers.
Policemen do this all the time; it’s not what you remember, it’s what you
think you remember. Again, emotive trash is not history.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Baron Can’t Get It Straight
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> > Alexander Baron writes:
> > I exposed Irving’s perjury. No one else knew about it because it overlapped
> > with some other research I was doing. ME, Al Baron. Not Lenski, not anyone
> > else. This is my baby.
> Since you have, apparently, not read the transcripts of Irving’s
> evidence, I fail to see how you can make a charge of “perjury.”
I read enough in Lenski’s book besides which Irving has repeated the same
lies elsewhere.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Josh Klein” writes:
> It actually happened again and again, Mr. Baron, when black kids (and
> adults) were murdered by racist whites. You prefer to ignore such
> history, but the rest of us remember.
I know the sort of history Zionist Jews remember, Mr Klein, no, I’m not
tarring you with the same brush as them, but you get my point?
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <[email protected]>
li[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> Nice subject change, Mr. Baron. The murder of Emmett Till and the
> church bombings were unquestionably due to racism, and the latter was
> a direct response to the civil rights movement by white racists; the
> examples were offered to counter your contention that black children
> had nothing to fear from kindly old segregationists.
If the latter was a response to the “civil rights” movement I’d say the
“civil rights” movement had some explaining to do if it provokes violence.
Before you jump down my throat I would point out that exactly the same
logic is used to attack Holocaust Revisionism and people in your country
who dress up in jackboots and swastikas, namely the very existence of
such people promotes the violence so they have only themselves to blame.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Baron Keeps Evading (Re: Baron Cannot Answer a Simple Question)
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
much like the court records regarding Mr. Baron’s residences
> in 1983 and 1985.
> The so-called rabbi that he consults and who is overly fond of
> young children has also appeared in the public record. Is this
> not so?
The implication Harry is that I shared a cell with a man who impersonates
Rabbis between 1983 and 85, and that in his spare time, or maybe in somebody
else’s synagogue, he defiles small boys? Oh boy, well, apart from the fact that
sex offenders are segregated in British Prisons (and in American prisons too
I understand), and the fact that it is a matter of public record that I didn’t
meet him until 1990, I’d say that Harry Mazal BOF was barking up the wrong
tree. Perhaps you’d better send your “whining” friend a fax and ask him to
correct his mistakes.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Sat Dec 30 09:46:05 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> What about the testimony I received, in person, in Freiburg im Breisgau, in
> 1971, from two former SS who worked in death camps, and admitted the killing
> and the gassing? I have already shared this with you. Are my
> testimonies–first-hand adduced–also “irrelevant”?
Post them again with a printed reference if possible
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Meanwhile, Mr. Baron does not have the least clue about the purpose of
> Hart’s memoir. He seems to think that it is meant to prove that the
> Holocaust actually happened, and he does not understand that it does
> not set out to accomplish any such thing any more than Eisenhower’s
> memoirs attempt to prove that World War II actually happened.
> Having read part of Hart’s memoir for myself, I think I can guess was
> Mr. Baron finds so irritating about it: Hart does not demonize the
> Nazis, and her testimony is all the more eloquently damning because of
> it.
Wrong on both counts; Hart has been used to “prove” the Holocaust. In 1993
she was used to confront a group of far right activists – I’ve posted my
letter to the TV producers here.
Her book has some value but is totally worthless as proof of any “gassings”
because she obviously (and by your admission) didn’t see any. Read it again
John and ask yourself if what she says doesn’t actually lend more support
to the Revisionist position than yours.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Sat Dec 30 09:46:06 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Broad Testifies About Murder in Auschwitz I
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In article [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Alexander Baron wrote:
> [In response to the testimony of SS-man Broad about a gassing
> in Krema I in Auschwitz]
> Baron starts with the old “everyone who was in the camps is
> lying, and I, who was never in them, am the only one who knows
> the truth!”:
Not true
> # The only problem with Broad’s testimony is that it is a pack of lies.
> And Baron’s “proof” for that is…
> # He was on the ramp and denied taking part in exterminations.
> Baron, Baron, you poor little zero. Broad testified he *saw*
> the gassings. How does his statement that he didn’t carry
> them out himself contradict the fact that he *saw* them?
I believe he testified at an earlier trial that he had seen SS men
on the roof. I was researching this yesterday and have just come across
a glaring error – or lie – in Broad’s testimony which I will reserve
for publication, but for now I will say that
> What about Broad’s testimony in Frankfurt, before a German court,
> during the 1963-5 trial? Was he also under “Polish influence”?
> What do you say, Baron?
Broad was on bail when this pamphlet was published. As he walked away
>from this trial it seems that he said the right things. Staeglich has
pointed out a number of vital criticisms of the methodology of this trial,
such as the lack of technical evidence, which would have destroyed most
of the lies which the judge himself said the defendants had told. As well
as the historical lies.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Selective truths about Civil “Rights”
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> > Alexander Baron writes:
> I realize that you haven’t read “Brown” (since you have
> misquoted it) or “Plessy” (since you have no idea what it said). Please
> try to do some basic research. Brown concerned four segregated
> school district in Kansas, Delaware, South Carolina, and Virginia. In
> *all* four cases the courts found as fact that the schools provided to
> Blacks were inferior in terms of the “separate but equal” doctrine.
> Further you assume that just because there were schools for Blacks
> they were the equivelant of schools for whites. In Texas, for example,
> the Black college was Prairie View A&M. Would you care to compare
> it to the several whites only schools including University of Texas,
> Texas A&M, and Texas Tech? Come on, Lyin’ Al, make us laugh.
What I want you to explain, Yale, is how integrating schools allegedly
makes them better. All evidence says that it doesn’t. What it does do
is let a lot of slower learning black kids compete with whites and this
causes resentment when they can’t keep up, notwithstanding that there are
black kids in the top stream too.
The standard explanation for this is “racism” but it won’t wash; in the UK
it is a matter of record that black kids can’t compete – as a group – with
Asians – who come from culturally very disimilar backgrounds, often have
language difficulties and yet even manage at times to excell whites.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Sat Dec 30 09:46:08 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
>When you
> talk about “the _alleged_ extermination programme”, “the _alleged_ gassings”,
> etc., you are implying that they didn’t happen. That flies in the face of
> empirical and historical evidence and is described–accurately–as denying the
> historical reality; hence, denier.
No, it flies in the face of consensus and the sensitivities of Organised Jewry
and their fellow travellers.
> Questioning the accuracy of an individual’s testimony is perfectly acceptable,
> and is a kind of revisionism.
As the sum total experience of the Holocaust is simply the sum of individuals’
testimony, please tell me how many individuals’ testimonies I have to challenge
to become a denier?
A lot of the time it is not the testimonies I challenge but the conclusions:
“My parents disappeared in the war so they died” is a valid conclusion;
“My parents disappeared so they were gassed in Auschwitz” is not.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Some Questions for Mr. Baron
(Was:Re: A Revisionist History Of The 1960s Synagogue Arsons)
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In article
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> > As I said, my views on environmentalism are the standard Libertarian position.>
> And what might _those_ be? Are they anything like your standard Holocaust
> denier position on the Holocaust?
As the Holocaust is not a civil liberties matter – except as far as free debate
on it is stifled – there is no Libertarian position on it. Re the Libertarian
position on environmentalism, I suggest you post an enquiry to Libernet Digest.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> So many adjectives, so little substance. It would appear that Mr. Baron does
> not believe in his democratically elected government.
A democratically elected government can do many undemocratic things, including
cut a swathe through the rule of law.
Fact: in 1993 the Jewish Chronicle referred to Lord Lester, a Jew, as the
architect of the race act.
Fact: the race act was passed and tightened up twice largely due to the
efforts of the Board of Deputies of “British” Jews.
Fact: the Jewish Chronicle has regularly pilloried the Home Secretary Michael
Howard – who is Jewish – for refusing to give in to racial and religious
blackmail and tighten up this act yet again.
Fact: in 1982 the Institute of Jewish Affairs published a pamphlet advocating
making “Holocaust Denial” a criminal offence.
Fact: In 1972 the Board of Deputies called for the prosecution of “Did Six
Million Really Die?” The government replied that to prosecute would bring
unwanted attention to the author’s “obscene” views.
Fact: the Anti-Nazi League is the front organisation of the heavily Jewish
Socialist Workers Party, an organisation which although fanatically anti-
Zionist has no qualms about taking any Jewish money for inciting violence
against “Nazis” and Revisionists and had boasted of stopping Revisionists
>from reaching the public.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Baron Can’t Get It Straight
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Perhaps he can post the evidence that he has ‘researched’ proving that
> Mr. Irving is a perjurer. That is a strong word, the sort that slander
> lawsuis are made of in the U.K. Mr. Baron ought to know…
It was published in my book in October 1994. Ask your friends at Woburn
House, they know all about it. Ask them about Mr Irving’s “young” friends too;
they’ll be a lot more reticent about that than they were about the Rabbi’s.
Hee hee.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Baron’s Bullshit
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> The situation hasn’t changed Lyin’ Al. The Office of the Chief
> Rabbi still has no record of a “smicha” ever being registered. I assume
> his status as a rabbi is either a figment of your imagination or another of
> your arrogant frauds.
Then I suggest you contact the REAL Jews, ie the Neturei Karta, there are
plenty of them in New York, and ask them if Rabbi Yosef Godlstein is or is
not the PR man for the Neturei Karta in the UK. You might even contact the
PLO, they’re on good terms with him as he has always taken a strong stance
against poor persecuted people like your cousins shooting their children.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Baron’s Bullshit
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
>Mr. Baron himself
> has admitted that this ‘rabbi’is overly fond of young children. Why
> would such a person be a confidant of Mr. Baron unless they had
> something in common?
No Harry, YOU admitted this.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Sat Dec 30 18:21:41 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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If I were you, Harry, I wouldn’t boast about the letters after your name too
much. The latest honours list, which runs to a thousand names, includes a
knighthood for a businessman who, by a curious coincidence, loaned the Tory
party 4 million pounds, and a 74 year old lollipop lady. Another old sucker.
Still, I suppose OBE is a cut above HMP. Hee hee.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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If I were you, Harry, I wouldn’t boast about the letters after your name too
much. The latest honours list, which runs to a thousand names, includes a
knighthood for a businessman who, by a curious coincidence, loaned the Tory
party 4 million pounds, and a 74 year old lollipop lady. Another old sucker.
Still, I suppose OBE is a cut above HMP. Hee hee.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Sun Dec 31 08:52:31 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Selective truths about Civil “Rights”
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> Dodge. lie, and evade all you wish, Lyin’ Al. If there are, as you
> admit “black kids in the top stream” then there is no purpose, except racism
> for denying them access to the better schools.
You’re just assuming that the “better schools” were white because they had
more money spent on them. This was not the case.
> Likewise, there would be
> white students who are poor learners who nevertheless had access to the
> better schools because they were white. The question is *equal opportunity*
> Lyin’ Al. Only a bigot like you would deny giving to people because you
> don’t like their race.
On the contrary I would never deny any man equality of opportunity. I condemn
all racial hatred. Need I remind you that I sent a pamphlet to Orthodox Jews
urging them not to send money to Israel to buy bullets for the murderers of
Palestinian children? Palestinians are not white. It was Harry Mazal’s
“decent and respectable” people who referred this pamphlet to the Attorney
General to try to have me thrown into gaol. Who’s the bigot now, Yale?
> Which brings us back to the questions, Lyin’ Al. As an alleged
> libertarian, how can you justify “Plessy?” I suggest you read it before you
> cite it again.
Read what I just posted about property rights.
>Second, why did you lie about the contents of “Brown?”
> Specifically, you have asserted that there was an “instance” in “Brown”
> that refers to dolls being used to prove Blacks felt they were inferior, please
> explain why no such reasoning appears in the text.
I didn’t lie; I haven’t looked this up for a while; my knowledge of this comes
mainly from Putnam.
In case you miss the point about schools, Zionist Jews and Palestinians, let
me clarify the point. People like you don’t give a fuck about blacks or anyone
else. What you do care about is revenge on the society that persecuted your
ancestors.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Sun Dec 31 08:52:32 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: War-like jews stumping for hate-Hitlerism
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In article
[email protected] “Les Griswold” writes:
> No, sorry, Desperate Dan, you’ve got it backwards. That’s how jews and
> liberals “prove” how dangerous us Natsees are, by provoking us, and then
> whining when we respond.
You have hit the nail BANG on the head, Mr Griswold. This is exactly what
they do; they’ve done it to me here. Basically they stamp all over you,
sometimes physically, and when you turn round and say something unpleasant
about them (albeit true), they scream “anti-Semitic”. They even scheme
against you then accuse you of saying “the Jews” are plotting against them.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Sun Dec 31 08:52:32 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron
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In article <4bv99[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
> Professor of history, Carroll Quigley writes; “This attack on the
> opposition from above was accompanied by a violent assault from below,
> carried out by the SA. In desparate attacks in which eighteen Nazis and
etc
As one of the few people who has actually read TRAGEDY AND HOPE I can tell
you that Quigley certainly did not subscribe to the theory that history
is controlled by a queer conspiracy.
> It must be stated, in 1933, Himmler calculated there were 2.2 million
> homosexuals in Germany, representing approximately 2.7% of Germany’s
> population.
Perhaps he’d been reading Kinsey. This claim is of course total crap.
> In a most conspicuous omission, Hitler, while railing in Mein Kampf about
> how he is going to eliminate the Jewish people, NEVER mentions anything
> about homosexuals. The Nazis condemned homosexuality for public relations
> and as a catch-all category to eliminate politial enemies. Very few `gays’
> were murdered by the Nazis `because’ of their homosexuality. Homosexuals
> were in fact, instrumental to Hitler’s success and were largely behind
> German style militarism.
Black propaganda, but even if it were true it’s not something I would boast
about if I were you, it might upset your “anti-racist” friends.
>This plan was devised by Frank Collin, who
> often appeared with his followers `in full Nazi regalia: brown shirts,
> black boots, and armbands with swastikas’ and who `advocated that all
> African-Americans, Jews and Latinos be forcibly deported. Civil
> authorities effectively blocked the march at first, but the American
> Civil (anarchy) Liberties Union (ACLU) rose to Collin’s aid and forced
> the city of Chicago to allow it. The subsequent event drew international
> media attention. Homosexualists Johansson and Percy, in “Outing:
> Shattering the Conspiracy of Silence, have finally revealed, more than
> fifteen years later, that Collin was a homosexual pederast. In 1979
> Collin was arrested `for taking indecent liberties with boys between
> ages 10 and 14′ and was sentenced to seven years in prison.”
Frank Collin (aka Cohn) was also Jewish.
> “Another branch of the American Nazi movement, the National Socialist
> League, is openly homosexual: Founded in 1974 by defecting members of
> the National Socialist White People’s Party, this San Diego-based NSL
> is unique in restricting its members to homosexual Nazis.
ACLU bigwig Aryeh Neier says this is widely believed to be a fake organisation.
–
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Another Silly Analogy from Lyin’ Al
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In article
ka[email protected] “Charles R.L. Power” writes:
> Number of editions doesn’t necessarily mean big profit. How many copies
> were sold in that year?
40,000 in Britain alone. Are you saying it doesn’t matter?
> >Gallo is a professional author; besides which people have all sorts of
> >motives, including the quest for fame, and racial hatred. Especially of
> >the Germans.
> Why do you think there is racial hatred of Germans?
More generically of Western Man. This is what all the carping on about
racism is all about.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Jan 1 00:27:52 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Some Questions for Mr. Baron
(Was:Re: A Revisionist History Of The 1960s Synagogue Arsons)
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In article
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> But then National Socialist ideology _was_ anti-Semitic and racist. One
> honestly cannot say that environmentalism holds genocidal precepts in its
> ideology. As usual, when you “play” with semantics you simply are playing
> with yourself.
As I said, my views on environmentalism are the standard Libertarian position.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Mon Jan 1 00:27:53 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article
[email protected] “Alex” writes:
Have they all lied to me and
>> to their relatives and their friends?
If they told you they were gassed, yes.
>Did they tattoo their forearms
> themselves and make it their resolute purpose in life to fight the German
> people and oppress them by making them feel guilty? What are you attempting
> to say?
The tattooed forearms is irrelevant. I believe this tattooes – unpleasant
though they may have been, had a security purpose, ie if Jews escaped they
could be traced. And others. SS men were also tattooed, so perhaps they
were oppressed by the Nazis too.
Your countless testimonies may all be genuine and sincere, but what relevance
have they to alleged gassings? None.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Mon Jan 1 00:27:54 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article
ka[email protected] “Charles R.L. Power” writes:
> Alexander Baron writes:
> >On a similar note, and this is something Yale might like to bear in mind. Late
> >last year I heard a radio report that in Australia it has been accidentally
> >given out that the Queen Mother had died. How that could happen I don’t know.
> >Anyone listening to that report would be perfectly entitled to repeat this in
> >good faith WITHOUT CHECKING IT.
> You have a marvelous talent for idiotic analogies.
> There is nothing controversial about whether an old woman has kicked the
> bucket, and nothing implausible about such a report from a generally
> reliable source. Of course one would be justified in accepting such a
> report.
> On the other hand, the diaries of Anne Frank
I wasn’t alluding the the Anne Frank Diary but to the Mueller document.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Broad Testifies About Murder in Auschwitz I
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
The only problem with Broad’s testimony is that it is a pack of lies. He
was on the ramp and denied taking part in exterminations.
he was born in Rio de Janeiro on April 21, 1921
Broad: page 7: he denied he had taken part in selections or had
maltreated or killed prisoners.
pages 14-5: a footnote here says that “From the commandant’s
order we learn that an SS man got 3 or more days’ leave for
killing a prisoner, who had approached the wire fences.”
this was said to have been a prize for “preventing a prisoner’s
escape” and is absolute bollocks, of course
This is what Pressac has to say:
“Broad’s testimony is above all a chronical [sic] of a few
striking events at the camp, incapable of providing precise
details about the Bunkers and Krematorien. After assessing its
reliability, no conscientious historian will be able to use it
unless and until the declaration has been stripped of the Polish
influence, or in other words until the original is published.”
In other words, even a leading Exterminationist says its crap, albeit
in a small circulation technical book, but the gullible goyim can continue
to be fed all manner of lies in the more commercial books.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Mon Jan 1 00:27:55 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <[email protected]>
li[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> Alexander Baron ([email protected]) wrote:
> : More dross about the wicked white racist. Whites were going to burn black
> : kids perhaps? Get a life.
> Ever heard of Emmett Till? How about the Birmingham church
> bombing?
> Have you ever read anything on this subject, Mr. Baron?
Is that the one JB Stoner was accused of? What’s your point, some whites have
murdered blacks? When that happens it’s racism, ie whitey is to blame. When
blacks murder whites, it’s black rage, ie whitey is to blame.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Mon Jan 1 00:27:56 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: An interview with Dr. Hans Muench (repost)
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In article <[email protected]>
stephane.bruch[email protected] “Stephane Bruchfeld” writes:
> On the other hand, it is clear that Baron references the
> interview but says not one word about it, instead preferring to,
> as pointed out by Mr. Stein, _change the subject_. This is
> standard Baron procedure.
No, I said I am not familiar with it.
> The second standardized method in Baron’s sentence above is
> changing the subject while throwing in an _oblique reference_ to
> some “Swedish Commission”, which, according to Baron, has
> produced a “report” on “the Wiesenthal Center”. Although I live
> in Sweden I must have missed something. Which “Swedish
> Commission”? Which “report”? Which “Wiesenthal Center”? Published
> when, where? Etc. etc. etc.
I have a copy of this; if you’re nice to me I might mail it to you
sometime.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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Subject: Apology due
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As you haven’t mentioned Rabbi Goldstein of late Yale I assume that you have
now been informed that he does exist. I think therefore it is time you withdrew
your spurious charge that he is a figment of my imagination.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> I consider Britain, on the whole, to be a reasonable type
> of country. Pity, however, that they went through a very long stage
> of collective insanity with this empire thing, but this happens
> all the time.
Quite right, we should have allowed the blacks to live in mud huts for
the next two hundred years.
> They also have the worst food in the world. I was in London
> for a conference in 1987, lost 3 or 4 kilo. Hell, even Indian
> food tastes bad in England :-).
Not much else to say eh, Dan?
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Selective truths about Civil “Rights”
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$THE TRUTH ABOUT LYNCHING and THE NEGRO IN THE SOUTH: IN WHICH THE
AUTHOR PLEADS THAT THE SOUTH BE MADE SAFE FOR THE WHITE RACE$, by
Winfield H. Collins, published by the Neale Publishing Company,
New York, (1918).
In spite of its title this book is very objective in places and is
by no means opposed to black advancement.
page 124: a man in Kentucky left $4,000 and chattels to a slave
in his will.
in Charleston, South Carolina in 1860 there were 355 Negroes who
paid taxes, 226 of whom owned real estate valued at $1,000 or
more.
page 135: in 1912-3, whites donated nearly $2 million to Negro
education.
page 151: North Carolina spent $436,480.08 for Negro teachers
compared to $190,378.81 Negro taxes.
the District of Columbia at the time actually spent more per
capita on Negro education than on white education! There were
over 600 private and denominational schools and colleges for
Negroes in the United States.
So now will Mr Edeiken explain how blacks ALWAYS had an inferior
education when they couldn’t sit next to white kids? Perhaps “gas
chambers” had something to do with it?
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> _Who_ exactly has made what Mr. Baron inflatedly calls ‘Revisionism’
> illegal outside the U.S.? Was this done by an insignificant minority of the
> population or a sentient majority? It is up to Mr. Baron to define what he
> means by ‘you people.’
I mean Machiavellian, scheming Zionist Jews and their goy fellow travellers in
the socialist movement. In Britain at least this is a documented fact.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: More Treason from Kleim
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> > [email protected] (Milton Kleim) continues to advocate treason:
> > >> As for your statement about the National Alliance “planning” to ex-
> > >> terminate the Jews, I challenge you to cite ANY official document or
> > >> work from the National Alliance National Office, the only agency that has> > >> the authority to make National Alliance policy, that advocates the
> > >> extermination of the Jews as official National Alliance policy.
> > >> Either cite such an example, or retract your allegation.
I really do hate to say anything Yale agrees with but unlike him I am totally
non-partisan. William Pierce once published an article in which he said that
although the Holocaust hadn’t happened (Exterminationist fashion), that no
one should condemn the Germans if they had indeed exterminated the Jews, and that
the world would have been better off with no survivors.
> 1. Rushdie did not hate Islam nor did his book advocate such hate.
> “The Turner Diaries” (and I did read it) was written by a bigot and advocates
> the murder of Blacks and Jews for no other reason than that they are Blacks
> and Jews.
The Turner Diaries is the sort of thing an ADL stooge would write since it
conforms to the steroetype of how a certain type of Jew thinks all race-conscious
whites should behave. No one with half a brain would do anything but condemn
such a book.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 95 13:09:39 GMT
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> According to you he does not seem to have written on
> “Brown” or the legal theories. Your citation of his mongraph is
> irrelevant to “Brown.” Why don’t you get off your duff and read
> both “Brown” (whose contents you misrepresented) and “Plessy”
> (whose reasoning no real Libertarian could stomach).
He does comment on Brown, so do other anthropologists; Wesley George in
BIOLOGY OF THE RACE PROBLEM for example.
Re Plessy, as a Libertarian, if the company were a private railroad then it
would have been quite within its rights. On the other hand if, as I suspect,
it was a state railroad, then it wasn’t.
I see no faults in the reasoning of Plessy although frankly I don’t give a
monkey’s whom I share a railiroad carriage with; there can be exceptions though;
you will perhaps recall my posting of the incident at Victoria Station.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article
[email protected] “Marty Kelley” writes:
> Four girls died, actually. But be of good cheer, because in Mr. Baron’s
> universe,it wasn’t a racist murder, just another apolitical crime.
> Next, we’ll learn that blacks bombed white churches just as often…
And of course you haven’t heard of the Zebra killings, Mau Mau, or even good
old Rwanda. What’s your point? That people kill each on whatever pretext or
that the white race is uniquely evil?
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Some Questions for Mr. Baron
(Was:Re: A Revisionist History Of The 1960s Synagogue Arsons)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Alexander Baron wrote:
> >As I said, my views on environmentalism are the standard Libertarian position.
> Are you familiar with the Nature Conservancy? If you were, you would
> not consider all environmentalism inconsistent with Libertarianism.
Environmentalism goes far beyond conservation; it is a philosophy that
places all live on an equal par with human life. If I were to write that
a Jew was worth no more than a sea bass I’d be slagged off as an anti-Semite.
If an environmentalist were to write the same thing about all humans he’d be
slapped on the back. I leave it to Harry Mazal to decide if it is worse to
incite hatred against Jews alone than it is against all mankind.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> A statement made by Mr. Baron calls for documented proof. For a person
> who has never been in the United States, let alone lived in the South (or the
> North), he makes many brazen and false statements.
I suggest you check out Nathaniel Weyl re the involvement of Jews in the
promotion of race-mixing. Martin Luther King’s red record has been amply
documented; virtually every “anti-racist” organisation throughout the white
world is a front for some red group or other.
> … – mostly non-whites and women – who earn five or ten times
> > as much as me telling me how I OPPRESS them by virtue of the
> > fact that I am male and white. Doesn’t that stick in your craw now
> > and again?
> Mr. Baron’s mysogyny and racism are noted. If non-whites (whoever
> they are) and women earn five to ten times as much as he does, it
> bears to reason that they must be doing something better than Mr.
> Baron.
Sure, like Martin Gray perhaps, peddling lies about the wicked Aryan goyim
when he’d never even been to Treblinka, and making a packet out of it. Wake up
Harry, “racism” and mysogeny have nothing to do with this; there are plenty
of women who will testify to my being anything but a mysogenist, and for the
record, they aren’t all white.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: War-like jews stumping for hate-Hitlerism
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In article [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> [Followup restricted to alt.revisionism]
> “Fresh816” makes a valid point. In “Mein Kampf” (written, as I recall,
> as early as 1925), Hitler already expressed his desire to see Jews
> murdered by poison gas. This was one of numerous antisemitic
> statements and threats against Jews, made by leading Nazis. That
> some Jews were annoyed by this is hardly surprising.
Absolute nonsense, Staeglich deals with this fully in his book; he likens
it to the Jewish leftist who said similar things about middle class Germans,
many of whom, presumably, were also Jewish.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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In article
[email protected] writes:

> Fellow Warriors
> Please be advised of the following warning:
> For those of you who may not be aware of it but, all of those grocery
> items marked with a K or a little u in a circle, are kosher and contain traces
> of cat urine in them. The cat pee is used in some sort of ceremony by a yid
> rabbi to make the stuff kosher. Just thought you might want to know about
> this so you can watch what you buy in the stores.
> If you don’t believe it, why do you think all natural foods, like
> those found in nature stores can’t be kosher? Its because “all natural” means
> no additives like the cat pee used by those freaking jews.
> Be warned and Be careful
Is this another wind up? Check out J.H. Brunvand sometime.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: More Treason from Kleim
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In article
[email protected] “Milton Kleim” writes:
> So what if he said that? I agree. Jewry has contributed very little,
> and exploited very much, from Western Civilization. Certainly any
> innocent creature’s death is sad (yes, even Jews), but there must be
> priorities on every issue.
Not true about Jewry: they have given us the atom bomb, the H-bomb, the neutron
bomb, psychoanalysis and communism.
Seriously though, they have also given us Ayn Rand and a host of Libertarians
and a high percentage of scientists etc. I am perfectly willing to give the Jews
credit for their good guys, as long as they take credit for their scumbags as
well.
> _The Turner Diaries_ is one of the most eye-opening books for Aryans in
> the history of the world. Anyone serious about securing our heritage
> MUST read it.
Bollocks. Again, are you working for the ADL buddy?
> >No one with half a brain would do anything but condemn such a book.
> Oh, yes! We must condemn any book in which the White guys win.
White guys should be commended for winning only when they are the good guys.
Was Jeffrey Dahmer a good guy because he got away with murdering people
for so long just because most of his victims weren’t white?
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> O.K., bucko. Document it. This does not mean saying “read some
> nut or other that I have not read.” The fact is that you cannot. All you can
> do is lie about it.
You’re flogging a dead horse here, Yale. Alan Stang wrote a good book on the
King camp called IT’S VERY SIMPLE. King may have been a victim of COINTELPRO
but the FBI didn’t have to try very hard. Then there is his plagiarism, which
again is well-documented. King’s widow has had his FBI papers hidden away until
well into the next century “because it would destroy his reputation”.
The John Birch Society and others have published exposes of King, but as I
said, this is no big secret because the “anti-racist” and “anti-fascist”
movements have always been vehicles for communist propaganda. I have a police
report from 1938 that I can post which makes this nexus. What’s the problem
Yale, is the self-styled Reverend one of your heroes?
—
Alexander Baron

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
>The elder dissented to Plessy
> and the younger joined in Brown II) as producing a “gerrymander”ed
> decision based on a hatred of western civilization “that knows no bounds.”
> You also demonstrated your ignorance by stating that something was
> stated in that decision that was not stated in that decision. Elemental
> common sense would indicate that you read the decision before discussing
> it. Your standards are so low that they are appalling.
Shocking isn’t it. A great deal of law is the result of such gerrymandering,
including anti-drug laws.
> Since the ownership of the railroad was clearly stated in the decision,
> it can be inferred that you did not read it. You haven’t the foggiest notion
> of who Ferguson, the appellee, was, do you?
It was a Louisiana Railroad, but I don’t know if it was a private or state
company. I have a feeling that it was called Louisiana State Railroad but that
doesn’t mean it was owned by the state; why don’t you tell me?
> How are you competent to judge the reasoning of something that
> you have not read?
I have read it, arsehole; the full judgment AND Harlan’s dissenting opinion
are published in full in Logan’s book on the American Negro. Apology demanded.
—
Alexander Baron

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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist History of Civil Rights
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In article <[email protected]> Environment writes:
> That is simply untrue and I don’t believe you are not aware of it. The
> Holocaust is documented by mountains of evidence, and if there not a single
> “survivor testimony”, it would still be documented by mountains of evidence.
And again, so are flying saucers. It is not the quantity of the evidence but
the quality of it that must be considered. Like I said too, a lot of evidence
people like you adduce FOR the extermination programme actually supports the
Revisionist position.
Did you post the confessions of those SS men to Nizkor by the way? I’d like
to review them sometime.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

From [email protected] Mon Jan 1 00:28:11 PST 1996
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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: More fake testimony for Dan Keren to explain away.
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In article <[email protected]> Environment writes:
> >> 1971, from two former SS who worked in death camps, and admitted the
> killing
> >> and the gassing? I have already shared this with you. Are my
> >> testimonies–first-hand adduced–also “irrelevant”?
> >Post them again with a printed reference if possible
> I already sent the reference to you in a private e-mail. There is no
> printed reference–I spoke to the two individuals directly, vive voce.
Funny, when I report things like this I am told it is “Baron said so”. What
were their names by the way?
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Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy

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From: Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: Baron, Oprah, and Ritual Murder
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In article
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> Case in point: A simple check of the _Chicago Tribune_ article, _Jews
> protest sacrifice tale on Oprah show_, would have quickly shown you that
> your source was simply chocked full of errors and misrepresentative of the
> article. A more in depth, but not burdensome, checking of the transscripts
> against _easily_ obtained articles about the SRA studies would have shown
> that “Rachel’s” claims were seriously flawed.
It took you months to check this article and you live in the States, I don’t.
> Yet you didn’t. Instead, you tossed all objectivity right out the window
> and posted this anti-Semitic piece of trash. That’s a telling indicator of
> _your_ standards of “research.” Which is to say, that you have no
> standards of research. You simply talk the talk but don’t walk the walk.
> You, without a moments hesitation, just post whatever trash that confirms
> your beliefs. Your anti-Semitic beliefs, I might add.
That passage is actually part of a manuscript of an unpublished book about
anti-Semitic fabrication, stupid. A copy was deposited in the British Library
about 3 years ago. I was negotiating with a Jewish Libertarian publishing
house but they had financial problems. I have done a great deal more
research on it since then so if and when I do publish it will be a lot more
extensive.
> Worse, you then take this fallacious and error-ridden piece of garbage and
> try and use it in a comparative “argument.” You might as well have the
> tooth-fairy fable instead. At lest _then_ the reader would be under no
> doubt that it was a fable. But no, you chose to use a deceptive story
> instead. (Though I must admit, attributing the “gullible” Lady Birdwood
> as the source did arouse my suspicions.) That speaks volumes about your
> motives, Al. None it flattering in the least.
Again, I have never doubted for one moment that the story is fantasy; that
is made clear in the article.
> > I presume you are familiar with the West trial: the murder of West’s first
> > wife and adopted daughter and of their own daughter, and possible cannibalism?> > Horror stories such as these make one wonder what to believe and what to
> > reject.
> And how, exactly, does this make Hart’s stary unbelievable? Or “Rachel’s”
> story more believable than Hart’s? Sounds like you’re dissimulating.
> Again. What factual evidence do you have for your assertion? You’ve made
> your bed now lay in it. Stop evading and show _why_ you believe “Rachel’s”
> story is “far more believable than Hart’s.” Or is it that you can’t and
> therefore _must_ dissasemble and evade? I suspect so.
The West story is so fantastic that most people would dismiss it out of hand
if it were not so well documented. The point I was making here is that the
the incredible can quite often be true but that we shouldn’t believe it without
extraordinary proof, something which is clearly lacking with Hart.
—
Alexander Baron

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
The Nizkor Project: Remembering the Holocaust (Shoah)