Dave Weigel writes:
In article <[email protected]> [email protected]
> At best, three. Two mentioned “diapers” and one looks for “anybody looking
> to have their butt worked on”. Three out of two hundred and forty six
> isn’t really what you had in mind for evidence, was it, Mr. Baron?
They use code words a lot of the time, you know, like Sonderbehandlung.
Things like water sports, “cleaner required”, that sort of thing. Hackney
and Lewisham Libraries actually stock this sort of filth as freesheets. Any
12 year old can walk in and pick one up. As J.B. Stoner said: Thank God for
AIDS.
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From [email protected] Fri Oct 20 10:39:52 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Concentration Camp Manager?
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “pgroff” writes:
> Bullshit Al, there was indeed a game such as described, and another
> called KZ.
All I can say is that like snuff films I’ve heard a lot about it but never seen
one. Have you seen it?
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Fri Oct 20 10:39:53 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust –
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
It seems, Lyin’ Al that you have already been to court. And lost. Based
> upoin
> you posts here it would be no problem at all to prove to a court that you are:
> 1. an anti-Semite;
> 2. a liar;
> 3. an incompetent historical researcher.
Innuendo is not evidence.
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Alexander Baron
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist
Who Believes in the Holocaust – Cecelia
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Josh Klein” writes:
> Does the behavior of the
> ADL have anything to do with his own tendency to drag decent anfd
> honorable men (to use Harry Mazal’s phrase) into court on
> frivolous charges?
Thank you for your condemnation of the ADL and all dirty tricks. Re Harry’s
posting, I can only reiterate Josh, he is arguing from ignorance having been
misinformed by people who can’t get their facts straight even when they are
not lying consciously. Until you know the full facts – which I will give you
and which you can check out for yourself – hold your peace or you will look
stupid as well.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Fri Oct 20 10:39:54 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist
Who Believes in the Holocaust – Cecelia
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Joel Rosenberg” writes:
> So, you’re claiming you weren’t humiliated in your last lawsuit? How so? You
> don’t have to wait until October 22 to discuss a lawsuit you’ve already
> humiliating lost, have you?
If you’re so smart answer the following questions:
How may lawsuits have I issued since 1993?
In what courts?
Against whom?
What torts were involved?
How many of them have been settled and on what terms?
How much money have I paid other people and how much have they paid me?
Who has issued apologies and to whom?
What was I arrested for in May 1993?
What was I accused of?
What was the final result of those allegations?
If you can’t answer all of the above, button your lip.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Fri Oct 20 10:39:55 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust –
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> And this _one_ person named Cohen is Jewish? Or do you presume he is Jewish?
Do you presume this person is a he?
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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Subject: Re: Does he mean me?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> Al, was there a particular reason you posted this racist diatribe? Does it
> reflect your views? Your fantasies? What exactly? And who is “Salty?”
I think this guy thinks I’m black because I said I wouldn’t have convicted
Simpson on the word of Mark Furman either. I also got an E-mail from a black
nutter who called me a white devil.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Fri Oct 20 10:39:56 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Correction for Al Baron
(Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> [email protected] (John Morris) wrote:
> >Why did Brack refer to the morgue in Krema II as a “gassing cellar?”
> Oops. It was Bischoff not Brack.
> Please respond to the complete post.
What the hell is this? Perhaps you’d better post the complete post with
a resume.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Fri Oct 20 11:10:46 PDT 1995
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In article <45ume[email protected]> [email protected] “swan” writes:
> Frankly, having been MARRIED to someone in the LAPD, I KNOW the things
> they were up against.
Roddy King was beaten 56 times in 81 seconds, mostly over the head. No one,
I repeat, no one, can justify that.
HOWEVER… Under Bill Gates, the Department
> acquired and intensified a “bunker mentality” that boggles the rational
> mind! Gates was a psychotic, plain and simple.
I don’t like Windows 95 either.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
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In article <45ume[email protected]> [email protected] “swan” writes:
> Frankly, having been MARRIED to someone in the LAPD, I KNOW the things
> they were up against.
Roddy King was beaten 56 times in 81 seconds, mostly over the head. No one,
I repeat, no one, can justify that.
HOWEVER… Under Bill Gates, the Department
> acquired and intensified a “bunker mentality” that boggles the rational
> mind! Gates was a psychotic, plain and simple.
I don’t like Windows 95 either.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:29 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> The fallacy of this argument is that there were many independant witnesses
> to, not to mention extensive documentation by the Nazis themselves
> corroborating, the gassings. Such cannot be said about allegded abductions
> by aliens. Once ogain, it seems, Al only sees what he wishes to see.
Wrong! There were half a dozen witnesses to Adamski, half a dozen to the
Travis Walton incident, two to Barney and Betty Hill. On a slightly different
subject, Joseph Smith, founder of the Church of Mormon had 12 witnesses, and
70,000 people saw the Sun dance at Fatima. Rubbish is still rubbish however
many people claim it is gospel.
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:30 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A reminder to Mr. Baron (Re: The Exterminationist Guidebook)
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In article <[email protected]>
stephane.bruch[email protected] “Stephane Bruchfeld” writes:
> I submit the following as evidence of mass murder of Jews in the
> autumn of 1941. They furthermore indicate the change to a coded
> language. I will be interested to hear Mr. Baron’s point of view.
> Local command post at Melitopol 13 October 1941: “All Jews
> (2 000) executed by the SD [Sicherheitsdienst = Security
> Service, originally a Nazi party outfit, later amalgamated with
> the state security police, and run by Heydrich].”
> Local command post at Mariupol 29 October 1941: “8 000 Jews were
> executed by the SD.”
Where is the proof? This is just a figure. The Jewish Chronicle for
November 21, 1941, page 1 ran a story THE MASSACRE OF 25,000…
25,000 Jews were reported machine gunned to death the previous month.
A report from Jerusalem said 7,800 Jews from somewhere called Jassy killed. These
are simply figures somebody sent over a wire.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:31 PDT 1995
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More of Baron’s Rubbish (Re: More Hartfelt fantasies)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> Besides you, I mean. Really, it seems to me you’re the only one here
> claiming that Kitty Hart is evidence of anything.
Let me get this straight, Mike: according to you, Kitty Hart’s book is not
evidence of anything. Is that what you’re saying?
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:31 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: UFO EVIDENCE VS. Carl Sagan
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “MORRISON KEITH MURRAY” writes:
> Since you bring up that esteemed magazine, why not check out what they
> have to say about Holocaust revisionism? Or is that another source that
> is only right as long as it agrees with you?
Wrong question: I’ve had some correspondence with Paul Kurtz about this; he
was at Dachau. I won’t go into the reasons he gave me for not touching it. He
has read my book, by the way.
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Alexander Baron
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From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:32 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: An Interesting Admission From a Former ‘Revisionist’
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> A few days ago, in Message-ID: <[email protected]>,
> “Aryan Crusader” (Reuben Logsdon) made an interesting admission;
> that he published and supported Holocaust denial, although he
> knew very well the Holocaust did happen.
This man is interested in ideology rather than truth; there are plenty
of people on your side of the fence who exploit the Holocaust – whatever it
was – for the basest of motives.
> Unlike the other “revisionists” here – the cowardly liars who
> continue posting their drivel, although they know very well it’s
> composed of nothing but lies.
These cowards who are hounded out of their universities, have acid thrown
in their faces, are beaten up and thrown into gaol yet won’t give into pressure.
Some cowards.
—
Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:33 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Harry Katz” writes:
> So glad Mr. Baron and friends can have a good laugh at the expense of the
> dead and their grieving relatives, not to mention that the hypocrite is
> trying as hard as he can to peddle his Holocaust musings for a living.
As I said Harry, I believe this was coined by Jacobo Timmerman; I know there
are many Jews who are cynical about the way the Holocaust – whatever it was –
is exploited. My friends in the Neturei Karta aren’t too happy about the
opera which was made a while ago.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:33 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> The “official line,” Mr. Baron? As much as you might wish for it, the
> “Jewish Establishment” does not control Holocaust historiography.
I was under the impression that Yad Vashem was THE official Holocaust
archive and that its pronouncements, and those of Yehuda Bauer, are gospel,
or as near gospel as you can get, in much the same way that the White House
press office is the official spokesbody for the US government. I do not mean
that in a facetious sense but a literal one.
> “But,” he said, stamping his little shoe down hard, “I not <sniff>
> an antisemite, you stupid Yid!”
I don’t recall ever calling anyone a stupid yid in my life, and in any case,
Yid is simply the Yiddish word for Jew, so I don’t really see anything
defamatory about it.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:34 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: VERGASSUNGSKELLER = Carburetion Cellar
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[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Does the Langenscheidt Standard German Dictionary qualify as “any
> German dictionary.” Mine says that “Vergaser” means “carburetor” when
> used in reference to an automobile. “Vergasung,” on the other hand,
> means, again strictly in reference to an automobile, “carburetion,”
> but otherwise means “gassing.” “Vergasen” can mean “to carburet,” but
> specifically in reference to death means poisoning (“vergiften”) or
> “to gas.”
> I note also Stephane Bruchfeld’s post on native German-speaker Martin
> Broszat and his use of “Vergasung” to mean “gassing.”
I’m not following this thread, John, but I would like to point out that what
you are doing is wrong. You are debating with a “denier”, and there is “no
debate” over the “facts” of the Holocaust. Deborah will not be amused.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:35 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: More authentic testimony – a duet between Baron and McCarthy
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Al: Jamie, I’ve found a book about Auschwitz that’s even more
unbelievable than Kitty Hart’s.
Jamie: What’s that, Al?
Al: $AUSCHWITZ$, by Otto Kurst, published by Brown, Watson, London,
(1959). This is a cheap paperback which is said to be “A gruelling story
of Germany’s worst Hell-camp!” The hero of this piece of trash is
Fedor Schellenberg
Jamie: How do you know it’s trash, Al?
Al: page 7 “The villagers mixed with the camp guards, ate with them,
drank with them, slept with them. As wagons filled with Jews on
the way to the ovens, rolled past, children called out in jeering
tones:
‘Yah! Yah! Dirty old Jews! Off to the ovens – and good riddance!”
Jamie: I don’t see anything so unbelievable about that.
Harry Mazal: Neither do I. Baron is a Nazi, wait until October 22.
Al: Be serious, Jamie. Are you asking me, or anyone, to believe that?
Deborah Lipstadt: Don’t debate him. There is no disputing the “facts” of
the Holocaust.
Al: Okay Jamie, how about this:
page 8 “Men like Hoess killed ten thousand human beings per day
and thought nothing of it…If a Hoess succeeded in killing more
men than his rivals in other extermination areas, he would ring
up Himmler and report that fact, proudly, jubilantly and in the
expectation of praise from his master.”
Jamie: But it’s true, Al. Hoess confessed.
Al: Yeah, but come on, Jamie.
Jamie: I see no evidence here of forgery. All you have is rhetoric, Baron.
Gord McFee: What about the Mueller document?
Al: Okay, try this:
page 145 “From the bath-house, a long passage, with walls of high
barbed-wire, led to the gas-chamber. On either side of these
wall, stood guards armed with long whips – which they used
against the naked prisoners who were shuffling slowly towards
their death.”
How can anyone take this nonsense seriously?
Jamie: Again, all you have is rhetoric. You can’t prove this has been
fabricated.
Dan Keren: Of course he can’t, anyway, Al Jews-are-dumb Baron is wrong,
because I’ve got a PhD in computer sciences, and I believe this.
Chorus: Baron is a Nazi.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:36 PDT 1995
Article: 11910 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Does he mean me?
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Subject: Re: Murder Of White Child In LA NOT A Hate Crime???!!!
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Status: R
It doesn’t matter where you live nigger, we are going to get
each and every one of you black bastards, no matter where you
hide. You better start swimming to Africa! Sure is nice of
you guys to get a million niggers together in one place, save
on us having to look under every rock to find you when the
coon hunt begins.
Salty
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Alexander Baron
“Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy.” – Napoleon
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:36 PDT 1995
Article: 12052 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust –
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> :>The story violates the laws of physics because sucking a nipple doesn’t make
> :>anyone immune to the effects of cyanide. According to the Exterminationists in>
:>this newsgroup it is hearsay anyway so it is not evidence.
> In any event, Al, it is quite unimportant in the overall debate on the
> Holocaust, wouldn’t you say?
No, I wouldn’t, because all the testimony is like this. Where it isn’t it is
simply about the sort of things one would expect in concentration camps. Not
particularly pleasant but not evidence of anything other than ordinary
sorts of brutalities.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:37 PDT 1995
Article: 12053 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust –
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Charles Don Hall” writes:
> I think I see where you’re confused
> The piece of text in question is divided into two parts. One is a
> statement of fact (“I was told that an infant survived a gassing
> and was thrown into an oven”).
This is not a statement of fact, it is, at best, hearsay, at worst, something
dreamed up by either Hart or her ghost-writer to beef up the story.
> I’ll certainly admit that the second part seems awfully dubious,
> and I wouldn’t complain if you accused Ms. Hart of being
> ignorant of basic human biology.
> But this doesn’t invalidate the first part.
The point is there is no evidence for the first part; Hart’s claim about the
the SS man and the baby has no more validity than the claims of conspiracy
theorists that JFK killed Marilyn Monroe or whatever rubbish these cranks
peddle.
> The person “on trial” is Ms. Hart herself. You’ve accused her
> of lying. In order to prove your charge, you have to present
> some evidence that she made the story up out of whole cloth.
> If you’re not able to do this, then IMHO you owe Ms. Hart
> an apology.
> By the way, why are you so hostile towards Ms. Hart? What
> did she ever do to you?
I’ve seen Mrs Hart on TV and she is not a credible witness. If you’d seen
her you’d realise that too. The lies grow with every retelling.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:38 PDT 1995
Article: 12054 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> If no vaccine was available as late as 1980; Klein could not have been
> “immunizing”
> people in the 1940’s. Or is this just another example of Lyin’ Al’s inability
> to correctly
> report what another person has written?
This was the phrase Lengyel uses. I believe some people were “immunised” or
whatever against typhus. In his book MEDICAL BLOCK BUCHENWALD, Walter Poller
mentions the same thing. He was released in 1940.
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Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:39 PDT 1995
Article: 12055 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More of Baron’s Rubbish (Re: More Hartfelt fantasies)
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In article <[email protected]>
li[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> Kitty Hart’s book is anecdotal. The reality of the Holocaust does not
> depend on the veracity of Kitty Hart. Nevertheless, you’ve said nothing
> to cast doubt on that veracity.
Kitty Hart’s book is written as an autobiography, and for the record I believe
a lot of what she says has some validity, like concerts in the sauna, etc. But
when she claims to witness (or if you prefer) to relate, stories of murders etc,
she is clearly fantasising. The 1974 edition of her book was endorsed by a
former Colditz inmate. People who palm this sort of dross off on the public
are guilty of perpetuating fraud.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:39 PDT 1995
Article: 12056 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: UFO EVIDENCE VS. Carl Sagan
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Marty Kelley” writes:
> > The Skeptical Inquirer has never run a piece on holocaust revisionism.
The Spring 1994 issue contained a glowing review of Lipstadt’s polemic
DENYING THE HOLOCAUST. I consider the refusal of CSICOP to touch this
subject except in the usual stereotype terms of Nazis v Jews as an act of
moral cowardice.
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Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:40 PDT 1995
Article: 12057 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> I’m gonna live to regret this I can tell already… OK, Al, why dont you
> explain all about Adamski, and the Travis Walton incident? And especially
> about the Hills too. Don’t forget to cite sources (preferably _clinical_
> and _official_ sources and not some crackpot’s.) BTW, As I recall, there
> were no witnesses to the Hills’ “abduction.” In fact, they didn’t even
> know about it until _years_ later after they had undergone therapy. Has
> their story changed?
These are very well documented. Adamski took a group of people into the
desert, or said he did. The Hills were their own witnesses, ie there were two
of them. The Walton case is too well known to require documenting. It was
awarded a prize for the most connvincing case of the year. There were half a
dozen witnesses; Philip Klass dissects it in his books UFOs:: The Public
Deceived and UFO Abductions: A Dangerous Game.
> > On a slightly different subject…
> How about a _very_ different subject!
> >…Joseph Smith, founder of the Church of Mormon had 12 witnesses…
> So, Mormans are really Alien abductors in disguise?
The point I was trying to make with the above two examples is that there are
many instances where witnesses have either lied en masse and/or been duped.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:41 PDT 1995
Article: 12058 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Off line
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “MORRISON KEITH MURRAY” writes:
> In article <9894261[email protected]> Jeff <[email protected]>
> writes:
> >From: Jeff <[email protected]>
> >Subject: Off line
> >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:24:31 GMT
> >Due for work reasons, and the repair of my disk, I shall be off-line for a
> >month or so.
> Now *there’s* a surprise. Are you too busy installing carburators in your
> basement and a heating system in your refrigerator?
He can’t answer you, stupid. He’s off-line.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:41 PDT 1995
Article: 12059 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> I also think Al
> may
> :>> just fly. He hasn’t denied his imminent flight, so I must be right.
Sap. Sap. Sap! Imminent flight? What imminent flight? What can I say?
The fact is undeniable that the Jews collectively are unhealthy and
neurotic. Those professional Jews, who, wounded to the quick, indignantly
deny this truth are the greatest enemies of their race. That applies especially
to Harry – clairvoyant – Mazal.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:42 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “ANGUS MCLELLAN” writes:
> As ought to be obvious, Ms Hart could have no way of knowing why the
> infant concerned survived the gassing, nor could we. The point at issue
> (it being hardly in doubt that an SS-man would be morally and physically
> capable of throwing a live infant into a fire)
The point at issue is that this story – according to Mr McCarthy – is hearsay.
He who asserts must prove. There is no proof that it did happen. Therefore the
rest of your sophistry is a waste of time. I’ll have to repost that ritual
murder story again sometime to show the world just how venal you people are.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:43 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Jamie McCarthy” writes:
> Whenever you have written to me a
> statement to that effect, it was in the context of the Jews having
> started the war against Hitler, or Organized Jewry being in control
> of the media, or somesuch.
You never tire of this nonsense, do you Jamie. When did I ever say Jews started
the war against Hitler? When did I ever say Organised Jewry controlled the media?
What I do recall saying was that before the United States came into the war,
British propagandists and Zionist hatemongers were doing their best to drag it
in, and I adduced as proof of this an article from the front page of the
Jewish Chronicle.
As to Organised Jewry being in control of the media, again, I never said any
such thing. My position is that all manner of groups lobby the media – as they
are perfectly entitled to do – but that some groups carry this lobbying to the
point of fear, loathing and intimidation. One of these groups is made up
of powerful Jewish and Zionist organisations who interpret any criticism of
any individual Jew, Jewish group or the state of Israel as rabid anti-Semitism.
That is all.
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Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More of Baron’s Rubbish (Re: More Hartfelt fantasies)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> You keep saying that simply because Hart did not see the things
> herself (contrary to your illiterate reading of her text, she did not
> claim to have seen them) not only are these things not admissible as
> evidence, but they can with absolute confidence be called false with no
> evidence of their falsity necessary other than your “because I say so.”
Mike, do yourself a favour and read Hart’s book with a skeptical eye. Then
apply the same standards to her as you would to anyone else.
> You had no proof of the Mueller document’s authenticity before you
> cited it, did you? (Obviously not, since if you had it, and it were
> really proof, then it would not have been possible to give you evidence
> sufficient to convince you it’s a fake.) Yet you used it without proof.
Here we go again. The Lachout document was introduced as evidence in a court
of law and it was unchallenged by a powerful team of lawyers. Furthermore,
other people were watching the trial, surely there were all manner of Jewish
groups and historians in the public gallery. They didn’t pick up the fraud and
I heard nothing about it until it was posted in this group. I was perfectly
entitled to assume the veracity of it in exactly the same way I am perfectly
entitled to assume the veracity of an article in the latest Encyclopedia
Britannica. I have gone to great lengths to distance myself from this fabrication,
and if you recall I have also exposed some “Revisionist” fabrication myself.
You on the other hand are going to great lengths to excuse the likes of Hart,
whose “evidence” is not worth the paper it is printed on. Furthermore, I don’t
think one Exterminationist in this newsgroup has had the veracity or common
decency to document a single lie used by the Exterminationist lobby. You excuse
rationalise and explain away everything.
Which one of us is honest?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> >Wrong! There were half a dozen witnesses to Adamski, half a dozen to the
> >Travis Walton incident, two to Barney and Betty Hill. On a slightly different
> >subject, Joseph Smith, founder of the Church of Mormon had 12 witnesses, and
> >70,000 people saw the Sun dance at Fatima. Rubbish is still rubbish however
> >many people claim it is gospel.
> Translation: no matter how many times my arguents are refuted, and no
> matter how ridiculous my arguments look, that’s my story, and I’m
> sticking to it!
The correct translation is that half a dozen perjured witnesses do not make
a lie true. I’m not the one who is putting forward ridiculous arguments about
babies surviving gassings by sucking their mother’s nipples.
–
Alexander Baron
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accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:45 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Keith Morrison” writes:
> And I wouldn’t mention the Hills around here if I was you, Al, since
> they were a mixed marriage. Some of your friends might get upset.
What friends are they? My friends in the Neturei Karta? My friends in the
Islamic Party of Britain – of which I am an associate member?
> As to the other witnesses, Adamski was in a class by himself and is
> generally not regarded well even by die-hard UFOlogists. No one
> actually *saw* Travis Walton being abducted. The testimony of his
> co-workers admits after they saw him struck by a beam of light and
> thrown backward they left rather quickly.
Philip Klass makes the point that in the 50s Adamski was an embarrassment, but
stories such as he peddled are now two a penny and are given credence by
UFOlogists simply because their tales are incredible. He also makes the point
that the stories have begun to conform, ie the aliens have begun to look like
each other whereas at one time they were all markedly different.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:46 PDT 1995
Article: 12103 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: A reminder to Mr. Baron (Re: The Exterminationist Guidebook)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> Al, you’ve finally done it.
> You’ve convinced me that you are either a total imbecile, or
> clinically insane. This is not mere name calling; you know I don’t go in
> for that. This is a sober, considered judgement.
> The things you call “just a figure” are on _official reports_ sent by
> the _killers themselves_ to their _superior officers_. This is what any
> judge would call _prima facie_ evidence.
Would it make you feel better if I gave you a signed confession that I murdered
JFK? The fact that I was 7 years old and 5,000 miles away at the time won’t
matter if I put a stamp on it and call it official. Grow up, Mike.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:47 PDT 1995
Article: 12104 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Does he mean me?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
> >It doesn’t matter where you live nigger, we are going to get
> [snip]
> > Salty
> Al,
> Did you or “Salty” write this?/ Is Salty a nickname of yours
> or did you post this for Salty?
> Cecelia [email protected]
Don’t be a sap, Cecilia; this is about the 10th message I’ve got from
nutters who seem to think I’m either a) the spiritual heir to Hitler just
because I don’t believe he was the Devil Incarnate or b) some sort of deranged
Farrakhanite because I happen to think that battering a man over the head 56
times in 81 seconds cannot be justified by the fact that he is black and
6 foot 3.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:47 PDT 1995
Article: 12105 of alt.revisionism
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “aria” writes:
> i’m sorry, but i just don’t believe that this happens to whites.
> definitely not on such a large scale. hispanics, probably; asians,
> possibly; but whites; i just don’t see it.
It does. All the time. We have an equal opportunities policy here: our
police beat up whites as well as blacks.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:48 PDT 1995
Article: 12106 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: The Origin of the term “Holocaust deniers”
(was Re: The Purpose of Revisionism)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Cecelia A Clancy” writes:
> The research methods used by the ADL are not those employed by scholars,
> but rather, by police detectives and by lawyers. They befriend police
> officers and get them to search confidential police data based and then
> supply the results of the searches to the ADL, who is not authorized to
> have the info. They infiltrate various organizations, in other words,
> do undercover work. They subscribe to various publications in names
> other than their own. They collect reports that are sent in to them,
> usually by Jews, on anything the sender considers to be a hate incident.
> They them analyze all of the above while handicapped not only by biases
> that they are unwilling or unable to compensate for, but by groupthink [3],
> and by lack of knowledge of the research methods for psycho-social issues
> (antisemitism and other bigotries are definitely psycho-social issues).
In other words they are nasty little shits who spy on people, obtain
illegal access to official information which is used for their own nefarious
ends and generally poke around looking for any dirt they can use on anyone.
Is it any wonder that they are hated?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 11:51:49 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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I posted this before but it never arrived for some reason.
[The following section is based on three pages of photocopied
text which appeared in an American anti-Semitic
newspaper which was sent to the gullible Lady Birdwood. I am most grateful to
Lady Birdwood for supplying me with this extract. She is con-
vinced of the veracity of the testimony it contains; I will say
only that I find the testimony of alien abductions equally con-
vincing.
I put it to you that if you take the likes of Kitty Hart at face value you
must also take this – obviously mentally disturbed – young woman at face value.
Furthermore, she claims to have witnessed this. This is not hearsay but first
hand testimony. No double standards, if you do not apply a critical methodology
to Hart, you must treat this story in exactly the same way. After hearing some
of the revelations in the recent and ongoing trial of Rosemary West I am
inclined to say that I find this woman’s story far more believable than
Hart’s.
The article, which begins on page 5, is called $Oprah, The Jews
And Ritual Murder$ and it was written by Bob Hallstrom. It
beings thus:
“On May 1, 1989, the Oprah Winfrey show had as its guest a person
who, as a young girl, was forced to participate in a ritual in
which an infant was sacrificed. The amazing thing about the guest
is that she was not affiliated with some unknown radical blood
letting cult, but that she was a JEW.
“According to an article on the show in the $Chicago Tribune,$
the woman was “undergoing long-term psychiatric treatment,”
apparently because of her horrible experience. The newspaper
article is quoted below in its entirety.”
The article is from the 7th May issue, is credited to the $New
York Times News Service,$ and is entitled $Jews Protest Sacri-
fice Tale on Oprah Show.$ Apparently, hundreds of people, the
leaders of Jewish organisations and civil liberties groups all
protested against the airing of the young woman’s allegations.
The pseudonymous “Rachel” had claimed that she had witnessed the
ritual sacrifice of Jewish children and that she had been the
victim of long term abuse. She claimed also that other Jewish
families across the country engaged in such practices, and linked
them to the recent mass murder of 13 people at Matamoros, Mexico.
Oprah Winfrey said this was the first time she had heard of Jews
sacrificing children, and the woman told her, “When I was very
young, I was forced to participate in that, and which I had [sic]
to sacrifice an infant.”
At one point, says the article, the woman asserted that ritual
sacrifices occurred in other Jewish families, and that they were
known to the police.
The rest of the three pages of the photocopied article contains
an overtly anti-Semitic interpretation of more traditional tales
of Jewish ritual murder. What are we to make of Oprah Winfrey’s
guest?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 12:20:41 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “aria” writes:
> i’m sorry, but i just don’t believe that this happens to whites.
> definitely not on such a large scale. hispanics, probably; asians,
> possibly; but whites; i just don’t see it.
It does. All the time. We have an equal opportunities policy here: our
police beat up whites as well as blacks.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 12:21:26 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “aria” writes:
> i’m sorry, but i just don’t believe that this happens to whites.
> definitely not on such a large scale. hispanics, probably; asians,
> possibly; but whites; i just don’t see it.
It does. All the time. We have an equal opportunities policy here: our
police beat up whites as well as blacks.
–
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 22 12:38:43 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “aria” writes:
> i’m sorry, but i just don’t believe that this happens to whites.
> definitely not on such a large scale. hispanics, probably; asians,
> possibly; but whites; i just don’t see it.
It does. All the time. We have an equal opportunities policy here: our
police beat up whites as well as blacks.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Tue Oct 24 08:14:31 PDT 1995
Article: 12277 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
>If the editor of “Control of Communicable
> Diseases in Man” the standard handbook for field epidemiologists, what is you
> basis for “believing” that it can be done? And don’t you have a responsibility
> to
> the world to make your medical discovery public?
I suggest you take up this matter with Olga Lengyel; it was her claim, not mine.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Tue Oct 24 08:14:32 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist
Who Believes in the Holocaust – Cecelia
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
In point of fact Arthur Hays Sulzberger, the owner of
> the
> New York Times, was a virulent anti-Zionist and the founder of the American
> Council of Judaism, an anti-Zionist group.
The American Council FOR Judaism. I’ve read a book on that – or parts of it –
Sulzberger was “something of an anti-Zionist” according to Alfred Lilienthal.
Zionist or not, that didn’t stop him doing his bit to bait Hitler, which in the
end did far more harm than good. As far as I’m concerned, the real Jews are the
men in black hats and caftans, other “Jews” are political gangsters who think
calling themselves Jews puts them about all criticism. c1948 a book was published
called “A Mask for Privilege”; it was about anti-Semitism. The cult of “anti-anti-
Semitism” in the words of Alfred Lilienthal, has long become a mask for mischief
making.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Tue Oct 24 08:14:33 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Rodney King did not deserve it
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Red Herring” writes:
> Resisting an arrest is sure way to get beaten. That’s what Rodney King did,
> and
> that’s what he got.
You stupid pillock, wait until they arrest you. Do you think being white will
save your arse?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Tue Oct 24 08:14:33 PDT 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> No, Baron just does not know how to analyze what he reads.
Mike, I gotta hand it to yer, you got one hell of a sense of humour, guy.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Baron delivers the goods – Res ipsa loquitur
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PRESS RELEASE: October 23, 1995
Alexander Baron v Gerry Gable & Others – Libel Actions
This press release is being issued to clarify the position with
regard to the above litigation. It is subject to the provisions
of the 1981 Contempt Of Court Act.
Following serious allegations in the November 1993 issue of the
magazine Searchlight, Alexander Baron instituted libel proceed-
ings against the publisher, Gerry Gable. The originating summons
was subsequently amended to include three further defendants: the
magazine’s printer, Russell Press; the distributor, Central
Books; and Housmans Bookshop, where Mr Baron purchased a copy of
the said magazine.
In the Summer of 1994, Mr Baron issued a further writ in connec-
tion with allegations made in the February 1994 issue. This
summons was against twelve parties, as follows:
(1) Gerry Gable
(2) Ray Hill
(3) Russell Press Ltd
(4) Central Books Ltd
(5) Housmans Bookshop Ltd
(6) Bookmarks Ltd
(7) Mushroom Books Ltd
(8) Dillons Ltd
(9) Waterstones Ltd
(10) Economists Bookshop Ltd
(11) Centerprise Trust Ltd
(12) Alleycat Books Ltd
The case numbers of these actions – which are both in the Queen’s
Bench Division of the High Court – are 1993 B4482 and 1994 B2491
respectively.
At a hearing on October 11, 1995, two consent orders were signed,
and the following agreements were made: Mushroom Books and Alley-
cat Books each agreed to pay Mr Baron the sum of L100, as part of
the same agreement, Mr Baron agreed to discontinue proceedings
against them and against Ray Hill; no orders for costs were to be
sought by any of the parties. No admissions or apologies were
either made or sought.
Housmans Bookshop agreed to pay Mr Baron the sum of L3,200, and
in return Mr Baron agreed to discontinue proceedings in both
actions against Housmans. Housmans agreed also to publish the
following statement as a full page advertisement in the next
issue of Peace News magazine:
“Housmans Bookshop Limited regrets any upset caused to Alexander
Baron by references to him in the November 1993 and February 1994
issues of Searchlight Magazine, which were on sale at Housmans
Bookshop”.
Centerprise Trust Ltd agreed to pay Alexander Baron the sum of
L2,000 + L300 costs, and Mr Baron agreed to discontinue proceed-
ings against Centerprise Trust. No apology was either made or
sought.
At an earlier hearing, the company W.H. Smith, owner of the 9th
Defendant Waterstones, had signed a consent order for L1,800
(L1,500 + L300 costs). No apology was either made or sought. A
spokesman for the company said they had sold one issue of the
February 1994 edition of Searchlight, at their Goldsmiths College
branch.
Proceedings against Mr Gable, Russell Press Ltd, Central Books
Ltd, Bookmarks Ltd, Dillons Ltd, and Economists Bookshop Ltd,
continue. Bindman & Partners were removed from the record as
solicitors for the Defendants Dillons Ltd and Economists Bookshop
Ltd on an affidavit sworn by Robin Lewis of said firm on October
10, in accordance with Order 67, Rule 6(1) of the Rules of the
Supreme Court.
Bindman & Partners of 275 Grays Inn Road, London WC1, are solici-
tors for all the remaining Defendants in these actions.
Two motions to gaol Mr Baron for alleged contempt of court in
both actions (on an affidavit by the solicitor Robin Lewis of
Bindman & Partners) were heard on October 20 by Sir Michael
Davies (sitting as a High Court Judge) in Court 20. The fact that
I am able to issue this press release is comment enough on those
proceedings.
No further public statements can be made by the Plaintiff at this
moment in time.
Photocopies of both consent orders in the above actions may be
obtained from the Plaintiff at L1.50 post paid (US residents, $5
cash only [at sender’s risk]).
This press release was issued by the Plaintiff, Alexander Baron,
of 93c Venner Road, Sydenham, London SE26 5HU.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Wed Oct 25 22:10:45 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Confession evidence
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A London woman, Daphne Thorn [sic?] has just been acquitted of murdering
three of her babies. She had confessed to smothering them but her defence
counsel argued that she was mentally disturbed and that her confessions were
unreliable.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Wed Oct 25 22:10:45 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Keith Morrison” writes:
> However getting back to the point that was made earlier, you are
> comparing apples and oranges using UFO reports as some sort of
> equivalent to eyewitness testimoney of the Holocaust. Even if you
> decide that Hart’s testimony is worthless, that in no way impacts on
> the historical veracity of the events in question. There is just
> too much other evidence, including physical evidence, that supports
> the accepted history. That is what seperates the Holocaust from
> UFOs.
Not so, what does the evidence prove? That countless thousands of people
died of typhus and mass starvation at the end of the war.
> Let’s take another equivalent story. During WW I, just after the
> British managed to rescue themselves after the Battle of Mons a
> story went around that they had been saved by a troop of angelic
> calvary who had stopped the pursuing Germans long enough for the
> Brits to get away. Now this story is purely fable, but it can
> sometimes still be heard. So does this in some way cast doubt upon
> the battle, the participants or World War One?
Faulty analogy.
> Consider the Hart story in the same light. Consider it a tall tale
> or a fable if you want. But it does *not* do anything to change
> accepted historical evidence, it does *not* cast doubt on the
> Holocaust
The point you miss is that ALL survivor testimony is like Hart’s, all of it.
The same way that every book that has ever been written testifying to the
reality of flying saucers and little green men is based on nonsense, lies,
fraud, and wild speculation.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Wed Oct 25 22:10:46 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More of Baron’s Rubbish (Re: More Hartfelt fantasies)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> Oh, right! Concerts in a prison camp! Anyone who believes this
> should have his head examined. Are you taking the piss, Al?
> Well, there you have it. Proof to the same standard Mr. Baron uses.
Mike, do yourself a favour and do some research. They used to put on pantomimes
and everything in these camps. The Red Cross published several magazines
during the course of the war. Dig them out, you’ll be surprised.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A reminder to Mr. Baron (Re: The Exterminationist Guidebook)
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> The astounding Mr. Baron – age 40 and therefore not so young – attempts to
> confuse the issue.
Thirty-nine, if you please!
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Wed Oct 25 22:10:48 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 18:42:45 GMT
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Jamie McCarthy” writes:
> > The fact is undeniable that the Jews collectively are unhealthy and
> > neurotic. Those professional Jews, who, wounded to the quick,
> > indignantly deny this truth are the greatest enemies of their race.>
> I saw that quoted elsewhere on this newsgroup, but I haven’t found the
> original article you wrote, so I would like confirmation of its
> authorship, please. And a bit of explanation as to why you wrote it
> wouldn’t hurt, either.
I posted it a few days ago. Big deal.
> If you did indeed write that, then I don’t think there’s any need to
> pussy-foot around with what you have or haven’t claimed about Jews
> in the 30s or whatever. Especially if you’d like to go into a bit of
> detail for us as to why “Jews collectively are unhealthy and neurotic.”
> You might start out by explaining why, if Jews are indeed just people
> like anyone else, it was necessary to focus on their collective
> unhealthiness and neuroticism.
> That would seal it up quite thoroughly, I think, if you would just
> insert your foot a little further into your mouth. Thanks.
I see, so this is further proof of my insufferable anti-Semitism, is it?
When have I ever authenticated the Protocols, the Blood Libel or any other
anti-Semitic nonsense? When have I ever called for pogroms? Grow up, Jamie?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Wed Oct 25 22:10:48 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Re
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “ANGUS MCLELLAN” writes:
> You have chosen not to comment as regards the possibility of an infant
> surviving gassing by hydrogen cyanide, so I will assume that you agree
> that this is a possible outcome.
You assume wrong.
> You have not suggested that it would have been impossible for an SS man
> to pick up the still-living infant. Nor, as far as I can see, have you
> suggested that the same SS man could have thrown the infant into a
> furnace.
You missed what I said; the question is not could an SS man have done this,
but did SS man Wagner walk into a gas chamber, find a “gassed” baby alive
and then throw it into an oven. I think not.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Wed Oct 25 22:10:49 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Vaccine was most certainly available to the Nazis. Perhaps he can tell us
> the three most common forms of preparing typhus vaccine before 1945.
> Perhaps he can also tell us who headed the vaccine project, and where human
> experimentation and research was carried out. If he is the immunologist
> and epidemiologist that he apparently claims to be, he can also post the
> results of these experiments.
Harry, I was barracked by one man for claiming there was a vaccine now I’m
barracked by you for saying something else. If you read what I posted though
you will see that I was merely quoting a “survivor”.
> October 22 has come and gone. Where are the Revelations?
Time to eat humble pie. Or change the subject.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Wed Oct 25 22:10:50 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Drug Wars – Cross Posted from Libernet Digest
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From: “Johann Opitz” <[email protected]>
Subject: Drug War = Totalitarianism?
To: ” Libernet” <[email protected]>
with my minor revisons and improvements included:
=====
Does the War on Drugs = Totalitarianism?
TOTALITARIANISM
(as in Nazism, Fascism, & Communism)
Know the Signs!
CIVIL LIBERTIES SACRIFICED – “We must give up some of our freedoms, liberties,
and rights in order to combat this menace to society.”
CONFISCATION OF PROPERTY – Property and assets of members of the targeted
group are seized. The seized property may then be divided between the informer
and the state.
DEHUMANIZATION – Characterizing all members of the target group as subhuman
and typically capable of monstrous deeds and crimes.
INFORMERS – Citizens are urged to “turn in” their neighbors, friends,
co-workers, and even immediate family members.
LEGAL DISCRIMINATION – Laws criminalize members of the targeted group who then
may be denied jobs, the right to own property, and/or unrestricted travel.
LIES – “Facts” which cannot be verified and pseudo-scientific studies are used
as propaganda against the targeted group. History is rewritten to support the
“facts” and the pseudo-scientific studies.
NO PUBLIC DEBATE – “These people have no right to have their viewpoint aired.”
and “Anyone who disagrees or questions us must be one of them.”
PREJUDICE – Selling the public on the idea that all members of the targeted
group are “bad” people.
PROTECT OUR CHILDREN – “They corrupt, seduce, and destroy our children.”
REMOVAL FROM SOCIETY – Prisons, “hospitals,” “rehabilitation camps,”
executions, genocide ( “kill them all” ).
SCAPEGOATING – Blaming social problems on a cultural, racial, or behavioral
group.
SECRET POLICE – Non-uniformed police squads are set up to wage war on the
targeted group utilizing deception, infiltration, espionage, and entrapment.
RECOGNIZE THE “WAR ON DRUGS” FOR WHAT IT IS.
LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS IT IS NOT!
[Suitable for display in workplaces, homes, and public ways.]
—————————–
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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Subject: Re: Rodney King did not deserve it
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Kerwin L. Gray” writes:
> This is the first
> time I have heard any claim of brain damage. All of the head injuries Mr.
> King sufffered were cured by a few stiches and were incurred when his head hit
> the ground after he attacked the police and they defended themselves.
The man had brain damage from what I heard. Are you really attempting to
defend this sort of thing?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Wed Oct 25 22:10:51 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> Hmmm. Sounds like another episode of Al pointing his finger at his sources
> and saying “Blame them!” This is getting a bit repetitive.
Listen, before you and every other Exterminatinionist in this newsgroup
denounces me to high heaven as a liar, read what I actually said. Here is
another reference to typhus vaccine from a former inmate:
$Medical Block Buchenwald$, by Walter Poller, published by Corgi
Books, London, paperback edition, (1975).
page 194 reports a typhus epidemic broke out. The vaccination of
all prisoners was ordered, but this was not supervised and most
prisoners elected not to be vaccinated.
All I did was quote what was written; if this is a lie, then it is not mine,
rather it is an Exterminationist lie. Dig? Furthermore, I do not believe that
Poller and Lengyel did lie; it may be that the Nazis – desperate to stop the
spread of typhus so that they could gas Jews instead – gave inmates some sort
of experimental vaccine. I don’t know the full facts yet but will endeavour
to find them.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Wed Oct 25 22:10:52 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Harry Katz” writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Alexander Baron ([email protected]) whines:>
> I suggest you take up this matter with Olga Lengyel; it was her claim,
> not mine.
> Mr. Baron is extremely cavalier for someone who just successfully sued a
> bookstore for selling a magazine that defamed Mr. Baron. Apparently, the
> bookstore could not use Mr. Baron’s argument against him in a court of law,
> that the claims were not theirs, but the magazine’s. Yet, Mr. Baron, eminent
> hypocrite that he is, will hide behind this excuse, as if it were not up to
> him to verify the facts before repeating what others say
You are making a big mistake Harry. In Britain there is a defence of innocent
dissemination. If for example, you were libelled by the London “Times” and
sued the newsagent that sold it, the newsagent would be able to plead,
successfully, a defence of innocent dissemination, because the “Times” is a long
established, respectable newspaper and no reasonable person would be able to
argue in a court of law that the newsagent should have known the “Times”
contained a libel on him.
I cannot comment on my cases because they are ongoing, but I can tell you that
a defence of innocent dissemination was not pleaded in the case of Housman’s
Bookshop.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Wed Oct 25 22:10:53 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Baron vindicated
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Once again, Honest Al is vindicated, once again he stands a Revisionist
Giant amongst the Exterminationist pygmies. A few days ago I posted the
following:
“The fact is undeniable that the Jews collectively are
unhealthy and neurotic. Those professional Jews who, wounded to
the quick, indignantly deny this truth are the greatest enemies
of their race”
I was informed by several people that this quote is anti-Semitic. As indeed
it is. Let me give you the full attribution, gentlemen:
$ZIONISM IN THE AGE OF THE DICTATORS: A reappraisal$, by Lenni
Brenner, published by Croom Helm, Beckenham, Kent, (1983).
page 23 “The fact is undeniable that the Jews collectively are
unhealthy and neurotic. Those professional Jews who, wounded to
the quick, indignantly deny this truth are the greatest enemies
of their race…” quoting American Zionist Ben Frommer
The anti-Zionist Jew Mr Brenner also throws in the following examples of
racial abuse against the Jewish people:
page 23 quoting A.D. Gordon – “parasites, people fundamentally
useless.”
Michael Yosef Berdichevsky – “not a nation, not a people, not
human.”
Yosef Chaim Brenner “Gypsies, filthy dogs, inhuman, wounded,
dogs.”
These are sentiments that I would never endorse, and are final proof,
as if final proof were needed, that Zionism is not just a fascistic
philosophy but inherently anti-Jewish.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Wed Oct 25 22:10:53 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Harry Mazal – Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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Notice the way Harry has shifted ground with typical Zionist mendacity.
For the past few weeks he has been carping on about my supposedly frivolous
lawsuits. Well, Harry, a lawsuit that is frivolous will be dismissed under
Order 18, Rule 19(s1) of the Rules of the Supreme Court on the grounds that
it is frivolous, vexatious or an abuse of the process of the court, that it
shows no reasonable cause of action, or under the inherent jurisdiction of
the court.
If my lawsuits are frivolous, why are they still active? Perhaps you’d like
to enlighten us, hmm?
If my lawsuits are frivolous, why is it that I’m now 7,500 pounds richer? Ask
Housman’s Bookshop how frivolous they are. Better still, write to the
main protagonist and ask him. Write to his lawyer and ask him; he knows all
about frivolous summonses.
Now Harry is referring to one lawsuit, which he says I lost. What are the
details, Harry? I’m interested. Tell me the case number, the court it was
issued in, the judgement supposedly entered against me. What’s the matter,
Harry, cat got your tongue?
For the record, Harry, why don’t you tell me, and the rest of the group,
what the current lawsuits are about? Do you know, hmm? Do you know what
allegations they concern? Do you Hell!
The truth is Harry, you’re full of shit. You’re arguing from ignorance, and
repeating hearsay. I’ve made a fool of you Harry, and every time you open
your fat stupid mouth on this subject I’m going to make an even bigger fool
of you. If you’ve got any sense you’ll belt up, crawl back down your hole
and lick your wounds. Then come back whining and wailing about the Holocaust,
the Dachau “gas chamber” and the forged documents I’m supposed to have sent
you. Who knows, you may even convince yourself that you’ve got a case, but
you’re on a hiding to nothing with this one. So long, sucker.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Wed Oct 25 22:10:54 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron delivers the goods – Res ipsa loquitur
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Nobody has brought up suits 2-12 on this newsgroup. The only one that
> has been discussed on this newsgroup is #1, the suit against the
> editor of _Searchlight_. Has this suit been settled?
Harry, are you the world’s greatest sophist or simply a halfwit? Don’t you
know anything? Read the damn thing: these 12 defendants are all in the
same action.
> > Two motions to gaol Mr Baron for alleged contempt of court in
> > both actions (on an affidavit by the solicitor Robin Lewis of
> > Bindman & Partners) were heard on October 20 by Sir Michael
> > Davies (sitting as a High Court Judge) in Court 20. The fact that
> > I am able to issue this press release is comment enough on those
> > proceedings.
> Is that so? Mr. Baron admits that motions were made for ‘alleged
> contempt of court’ by the solicitor for Bindman and Partners. He
> does not tell us what the Court ruled.
How many American prisons are connected to the Internet?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Wed Oct 25 22:10:55 PDT 1995
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron delivers the goods – Res ipsa loquitur
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> > Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:
Harry, I have told you before, in England we have Contempt of Court laws;
as you see from my press release, I have already been subjected to contempt
proceedings and have no intention whatsoever of placing myself in a position
where I might jeopardise my cases just to satisfy the curiosity of a frightened
(and it seems hate-flled) old man on the other side of the Atlantic.
I have delivered the goods, Harry. Wait patiently for my next announcement
which will be made just as soon as my lawyer advises.
If you want to keep making a fool of yourself, keep arguing from ignorance,
because you obviously know nothing about these legal cases except what some
little Zionist creep has fed you. I’ve told you before, Harry, these people are
the world’s master liars, and they lie to dumb Jews with the same impunity
as they lie to dumb goyim.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Wed Oct 25 22:10:56 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust –
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Charles Don Hall” writes:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Alexander Baron <[email protected]> wrote:
> >In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Charles Don Hall”
> writes:
> [The topic under discussion: Was Kitty Hart lying when she said that
> she was told that an infant survived a gassing and was subsequently
> thrown into an oven?]
> >> The person “on trial” is Ms. Hart herself. You’ve accused her
> >> of lying. In order to prove your charge, you have to present
> >> some evidence that she made the story up out of whole cloth.
> >> If you’re not able to do this, then IMHO you owe Ms. Hart
> >> an apology.
Have you read my signature? “He who does not bellow the truth when he knows
the truth makes himself the accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
That applies equally to Kitty Hart.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Wed Oct 25 22:10:57 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More of Baron’s Rubbish (Re: More Hartfelt fantasies)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> >Which one of us is honest?
> Both of us, probably. I’m perfectly prepared to believe that you
> believe the nonsense you spout, that you believe your apparent
> hallucinations about what I have written (i.e., that I’ve said Hart is
> telling the truth when I have never said such a thing). Since you believe
> what you are saying, that makes it honest despite its utter falsity.
Mike, re Kitty Hart, please refer to my signature. People who repeat nonsense
gratuitously are liars.
I am quite prepared to believe that two people – you and I – can hold
totally different opinions; I am even prepared to believe that we can
look at the same data and reach honestly different conclusions – it happens
all the time, but I am not prepared to excuse this sort of nonsense.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Wed Oct 25 22:37:33 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.politics.nationalism.white,
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Red Herring” writes:
> Resisting an arrest is sure way to get beaten. That’s what Rodney King did,
> and
> that’s what he got.
You stupid pillock, wait until they arrest you. Do you think being white will
save your arse?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Wed Oct 25 22:38:42 PDT 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.politics.nationalism.white,
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Red Herring” writes:
> Resisting an arrest is sure way to get beaten. That’s what Rodney King did,
> and
> that’s what he got.
You stupid pillock, wait until they arrest you. Do you think being white will
save your arse?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:40 PST 1995
Article: 12769 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist
Who Believes in the Holocaust – Cecelia
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Josh Klein” writes:
> 1) My statement above shows that I am able to distinguish between what
> I consider legitimate political criticism of Israel and its
> supporters in the US and what I consider to be speech motivated
> by hate.
You may not have noticed Josh, but Organised Jewry (which doesn’t really
exist) does not share your reasonableness. Furthermore, if you were a goy
they, or someone would have smeared you as an anti-Semite on the basis of
what you’ve just said. Furthermore, if they didn’t have a file on you already
as a self-hating Jew, they will have after tonight.
You may not have noticed this either but you have legitimised what I have
said in my book. We have more in common than you would care to admit.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:41 PST 1995
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Re
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Another quasi-Revelation by Mr. Baron…
Eat dirt Harry, October 23 and Baron delivered the goods.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:42 PST 1995
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Josh Klein” writes:
> In any case, let me explain exactly what is antisemetic about your
> statement — the idea that “the Jews collectively are unhealthy
> and neurotic”
He, he, he…
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:42 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: More of Baron’s Rubbish (Re: More Hartfelt fantasies)
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In article <[email protected]>
li[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> Are there videotapes of these pantomimes?
No, but there are PLENTY of photographs of them.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:43 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <[email protected]>
li[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> In what way, Al, is “all survivor testimony” like Hart’s? Considering
> that you haven’t given us a terribly clear idea of what’s so unbelievable
> about Hart’s account, this would be a good time to make your basic
> position clear.
Hart’s hearsay story of a baby surviving a gassing is not so unbelievable,
nor is the story of the woman who saw her son chopping wood, joined hands
with him and marched into the gas chamber. No, of course, they’re not
unbelievable. What planet are you from, pal?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:44 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Ulrich Roessler” writes:
> Provide complete references to any survivor testimony and state your
> reasoned disbelief in each and every case. As long you haven’t done so
> for “ALL survivor testimony” your claim is worthless and exposes your
> methodology as insane delusion.
I’ve read a lot of books by survivors, and they all have two things in common:
references to gassings are not believable; the references that are believable
tell stories of hardship and sorrow, but no more so than any other victim of
war. I suppose that makes me an anti-Semite again, not realising that these
are special people.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:45 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A reminder to Mr. Baron (Re: The Exterminationist Guidebook)
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Whatever. Old enough, any sensible person would imagine, to stop indulging
> his fantasies by suing decent and upright men.
Harry, these decent and upright men paid me. They lost.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> > “..the Jews collectively are unhealthy and neurotic.” Upon what do you base
> > that incredible and idiotic statement? What about Jews would make them
> > collectively unhealthy? Collectively neurotic? I really think you need
> > help, Al, and soon.
I totally agree. Why don’t you ask the Zionist anti-Semite who made this
outrageous statement?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:46 PST 1995
Article: 12894 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Harry Mazal’s decent and respectable people
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Tell me Harry Mazal, or anyone. Are Housman’s bookshop and Centerprise
bookshop run by decent and respectable people?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:47 PST 1995
Article: 12895 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Alt.Revisionism – newsgroup of losers
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Somebody appreciates me. Today I received letters of congratulations from
Britain’s most distinguished philosopher, a Conservative MP and the editor of
a respected parapolitics journal concerning my recent successes. The writing
is on the wall for a certain publication.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:48 PST 1995
Article: 12896 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Jeff’s GIFs
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Jeff said he’d posted some GIF files to the group recently; has anybody
seen them?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:48 PST 1995
Article: 12976 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Re
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Revelations? Balderdash!
> Harry W. Mazal OBE
I hesitate to think what that OBE might stand for. I, Harry, have provided
hard, documented evidence. You, on the other hand have made innuendo and
unsupported assertions. When you’ve got some evidence, post it.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:49 PST 1995
Article: 12977 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Why not make more of
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “ANGUS MCLELLAN” writes:
> Either Mr Baron has decided that Peguy’s words refer only to others
> (and perhaps only to Ms Hart) or he is the ‘accomplice of liars and
> forgers’.
> I wonder whether Mr Baron will be so kind as to explain this apparent
> example of double standards ?
What double standard is that, pray tell? What lies have I spread or kept
silent about?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:50 PST 1995
Article: 12978 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 19:19:58 GMT
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In article <[email protected]>
li[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> I’ll ask you once more:
> Why do you consider Kitty Hart’s story unbelievable? Keep in mind that
> there are documented accounts of people surviving everything from an axe
> in the head to a ten-story fall–given the enormous number of people
> who were gassed during the Holocaust, why wouldn’t we expect an occasional
> incident like this?
These “gas chambers” were said to be crowded; the children were said to have
been separated from their parents. We are asked to believe that a woman
smuggled in the baby, that hundreds, or perhaps thousands of people were
crammed into this room, that Zyklon was poured in, and that after half an hour
or so the SS man found this baby. Don’t forget that the people in these
chambers were supposed to have been practically welded together. He walks in
and just happens to find it. He picks it up, and, presumably, walks off with it
to the oven?
Added to that, this is hearsay, according to people in this group.
> Why do you consider the story about the woman and her son unbelievable?
> Unlike the baby story, this one doesn’t even seem to contain an unlikely
> occurence. Can you tell us anything to cast doubt on this?
Are you serious? What evidence is there that this happened? Grow up, man.
No wonder OJ was acquitted with this sort of prosecution “evidence”.
> If you respond again with “Did this happen? Did it hell!” or “How much
> are the Zionists paying you to promulgate this rubbish?” I’ll assume
> that you aren’t interested in serious discussion, and begin treating
> you as an amusing target for ridicule and abuse, like Miltie and Griswold.
> God knows, the temptation is almost overwhelming…
If you truly believe this, it’s not Zionists who should pay you but you who
should pay a good shrink.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:51 PST 1995
Article: 12979 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Joel Rosenberg” writes:
> >> Provide complete references to any survivor testimony and state your
> >> reasoned disbelief in each and every case. As long you haven’t done so
> >> for “ALL survivor testimony” your claim is worthless and exposes your
> >> methodology as insane delusion.
Provide references for every UFO abductee and every spirit medium, and if
you can’t refute every single case, they must be genuine.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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Article: 12980 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> Other people have offered different conjectures as to why the baby might
> have survived the gassing long enough to be tossed alive into the oven.
I’ll give you one conjecture that is always missing from this newsgroup
when discussing nonsense like this: Occam’s Razor. The simplest answer is
the correct one unless and until there is evidence to the contrary. And the
simplest answer is that somebody – Hart or somebody – made this nonsense up.
Why look any further? Scared of being branded anti-Semitic if you appear to
make common cause with Crazy Al?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:52 PST 1995
Article: 12981 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> How about the BNP? Do have friends in the BNP? Are you a memnber as well?
> Do you maintain any sort of relationship with the BNP or any of its
> members?
I am in regular contact with its press officer, but as a card carrying
journalist I’m entitled to be.
> I think I see where you’re going with this, Al. Are you suggesting that
> charlatans like Adamski who manufactured a UFO hoax that later became the
> template for other abduction stories is somehow related to the Holocaust?
I’m suggesting that some people will believe anything.
> Are you, perhaps, trying to imply some parallelisms here between the
> ludicrous UFO myth “industry” and the _documented_ historical fact of the
> Holocaust? If so, why don’t simply stop your silly pussy-footing around
> and spit it out?
What’s ludicrous about it? There are about 10 to the power of 20 stars in
the Universe. What’s so ludicrous about the idea that people from other
worlds have the technology to visit the Earth and do so covertly?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:53 PST 1995
Article: 12982 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Ulrich Roessler” writes:
> You once mentioned M.Buber-Neumann’s book favourably. You surely
> remember that she speaks about gassings in Ravensbrueck as a matter
> of fact, i.e. as an open secret in the camp. Remember, she was somehow
> a privileged inmate with good contacts to guards, owing in part
> to the fact that she was German. In many cases, these guards were primary
> sources of information for the inmates. (She writes also
> at length about a woman-guard who was transfered from Auschwitz
> to Ravensbrueck and told her quite openly what was going on there.)
> Yes, Buber-Neumann wasn’t an eye-witness because she never saw
> the gas-chamber in operation in Ravensbrueck. However, compare
> her account with Johann Schwarzhuber’s confession about gassings there,
> which was posted by Danny Keren many times in this group. Then, you have
> already two pieces of evidence telling the same thing.
That doesn’t mean they are true. I find her book remarkably honest; I find merit
in Kitty Hart’s book too, but not when she talks about obvious nonsense.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:54 PST 1995
Article: 12983 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: A reminder to Mr. Baron (Re: The Exterminationist Guidebook)
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> The net result is that you sued businessmen far more decent and far more
> honorable than your hero Al Capone for the “crime” of seeling books of which
> you do not approve. This is an action that would have been tossed by any
> court in the United States. Finally your initiation of lawsuits against
> booksellers
> solely on the basis that they sold books destroys completely
your pompous claim > to be a “libertarian.”
Two of these booksellers – fine, upstanding people – were stocking two separate
magazines that incited the murders of police officers, judges and named
politicians. I reported this to the police in April, and to date no one has
been prosecuted. On the other hand, if they had taken the piss out of some
Jewish mischief-makers – like Colin Jordan did – they would have been raided
and dragged into court.
Lesson: learn the facts, don’t listen to Harry Mazal.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:55 PST 1995
Article: 12984 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Quite right, Mr. McFee. All we can expect from Mr. Baron is
> continued evasiveness.
And more successful lawsuits!
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:56 PST 1995
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Baron delivers the goods – Res ipsa loquitur
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Are they now? Once again: Did the Editor of _Searchlight_ settle?
I am still in litigation with this person so can make no comment.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:56 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Baron delivers the goods – Res ipsa loquitur
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> > 18) What was the motion for contempt brought against Lyin’ Al?
To send me to gaol. Did it succeed? Send me $5 and I’ll send you a copy of
the Order which arrived this morning.
> > 21) Al Capone was an upstanding businessman?
Entirely.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:57 PST 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Joel Rosenberg” writes:
>Baron settled for a few thousand
> >pounds, no apologies, no retractions, and the money apparently goes to the
> >counterclaimants who got damages assessed against him for his vexatious or
> >frivolous litigation.
Baron is still in litigation, and his wallet has never been fatter.
> That probably won’t bother Al much; in England,
>so I’m told, lawyers can’t sue for their fees.
Al is acting in person!
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:48:58 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Baron vindicated
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ka[email protected] “Charles R.L. Power” writes:
> So you are saying that the words of one Zionist, which you recently
> repeated as your own, are evidence that Zionism is inherently
> antisemitic? Would you be willing to judge all Republicans or, pardon me,
> all Tories on the basis of the words of one of them?
I’m saying sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander: if Al is an anti-Semite
so is this scumbag.
> Did Lenni Brenner provide any context for the above, which are not even
> complete sentences? Or are you making judgement on the individuals cited
> on the basis of a few tendentiously quoted, isolated words?
Notice nobody ever asks about the context of my words. Sauce for the goose.
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Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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[email protected] “Donald Moffitt” writes:
> On Oct 24, 1995 19:11:08 in article <Baron vindicated>, ‘Alexander Baron
> <[email protected]>’ wrote:
> Tell us something how the suits you lost, Al, How much of your winnings
> must go to pay off the damages assessed against you?
What damages are they, pray tell?
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Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Harry Mazal – Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Are they still active? Not a chance. The only one of the five lawsuits that
> Mr. Baron brought against decent and upright British citizens and
> Institutions is the one against the Editor of _Searchlight._
> True or false, Mr. Baron?
False.
> Is Mr. Baron _still_ 7,500 pounds richer? He has not yet advised anyone
> how much he paid to settle court and legal costs on four of the above five
> lawsuits. Nor will he.
If you want a copy of the order send me a $5 note. If you are prepared to take
my word, reread the press release. The settlements in my favour included costs
as stated in the press release.
> It is not _one_ lawsuit that Mr. Baron withdrew. It is four lawsuits. Does
> he deny this?
Yes.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:49:00 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Re
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> Slowly, Baron is discarding some of his infantile arguments
> against the validity of this incident. He also claimed that
> “the gas chambers were in the basement”, and hence Wagner
> couldn’t “run out and throw the baby into the furnace”. The
> fool didn’t know that in Kremas IV and V the gas chambers
> were on the same level as the furnaces.
Dan, there is no argument. By your admission this story is hearsay.
It is also extraordinary; extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Actually, it is bordering on the miraculous. Don’t try to validate nonsense
like this, you’ll only humiliate yourself.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust –
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Charles Don Hall” writes:
> In your last article, you claimed that Ms. Hart doesn’t appear
> credible on television, and that she keeps changing her stories.
> That *could* have been evidence, but it wasn’t, because you
> didn’t provide any specific details.
She claimed she saw a young child’s head dashed out by an SS man, something
which was, strangely, omitted from her book.
> Anyway, I think we’re back at square one. Do you have any evidence
> that Ms. Hart is a liar? If not, then IMHO you still owe her an
> apology.
Read my signature; people who repeat lies and gratuitous nonsense are
every bit as guilty as the people who invent them.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Oh where, oh where, has Al Baron gone?
Oh where, oh where can he be?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> There seems to be no sign of Baron either. I might add that I suspected this
> might be the case. These types usually disappear for a time and then try to
> sneak back.
None are so blind as those who will not see. Apology please.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Harry Mazal – Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> Should we also ask about the cost of proving your suit frivolous — still
> sub judice
> — as against a rather minor settlement from which you apparently profited
> nothing.
A frivolous law suit will be struck out under Order 18, Rule 19(s1) of the
Rules of the Supreme Court. This is England, not the United States. You can’t
bring stupid suits here the way you can overthere. Ask any English lawyer.
As for my profiting nothing; if you think this sort of money is f*** all,
why don’t you send a similar donation to the ADL?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:49:03 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Harry Mazal – Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> Talk about “shifting the ground.” Mr. Mazal has never made reference
> to any of the lawsuits against your bookstore defendants.
> >If my lawsuits are frivolous, why are they still active? Perhaps you’d like
> >to enlighten us, hmm?
Harry said that after October 22 I would disappear up my own exhaust pipe.
He said I would be gone. Well, I’m still here.
> Are you saying that you still have lawsuits pending against Mike
> Whine, the Commissioner of Police, and the Jewish Chronicle? Those are
> the lawsuits that you have been asked about, not your pathetic
> shakedown of some bookstores.
> This information does not come from any “dirty little Zionist,” Mr.
> Baron. It is a matter of public record.
If it is a matter of public record, post it.
> Here is a question: how many of your defendants have admitted that
> they libeled you? None, as per your press release. You have not won a
> single court decision on the main event. You have been called an
> antisemite, and no court has ruled that you have been libeled for
> being called that.
I am still in litigation with several of the defendants.
> On top of that, you have sold your reputation for 7500 pounds. As the
> repeated phrase in your press release goes, “no apology was made or
> sought.”
> So what will 7500 quid buy me? Will you tell us how much you love
> Kitty Hart for 7500?
You don’t understand what you’re talking about and once again I’m afraid
I can’t comment on it.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Joel Rosenberg” writes:
> Did your mother have any children who lived, Al?
Did your mother marry your father?
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Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:49:04 PST 1995
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Western” writes:
> >Mr. Farrakahan,
> >My name is Rufus Washington. I am a 25 year old oppressed black man.
> >I dropped out of school at 14 to pursue a career in dealing drugs,
> >and I have been in and out of jail ever since.
You are oppressed, Mr Washington. Specifically you are oppressed by a system
that turns you into an outlaw by criminalising your legitimate business of
providing willing buyers – black and white – with a narcotic substance for
recreational use. The very same system criminalised Al Capone 70 years ago
for providing a similar public service. It is not racism but mass hysteria
and collective psychosis. What you should do is lobby for the legalisation
of crack, cocaine and heroin.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:49:05 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Re
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> You have repeatedly proved that you are unable to discern the
> difference between truth and fabrication (do we have to remind you of the
> Mueller
> Document yet again).
Do I have to remind you yet again that this document was unchallenged in a courtroom
so I was justified in taking it at face value and that immediately the forgery
was drawn to my attention I disowned it? You are still clinging to your gassed
baby in the oven garbage, an obvious falsehood, so don’t lecture me about
integrity.
> Second for
> failing to confront solid evidence which makes hash of your position.
Solid evidence: lies built on hearsay built on rumour. Get a life.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:49:06 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Mr. Baron can _surely_ comment on the cases that are no longer ongoing. To wit:
> The withrawn suits against the Editor of the Jewish Chronicle, the B.O.D, the
> Commissioner of Police and Mr., Mike Whine. He might also tell us how
> much he was countersued for and how much he has paid. But will he?\
Harry, you are such a boring old fart and arsehole that I am going to clear
this up once and for all. In May 1993 I was arrested on “evidence” concocted
by Organised Jewry. My computer and other property was confiscated.
I issued a summons under the Police Property Act to get
my property back; it was not successful. Finally, after much thought and
consideration I issued a complex writ in the County Court primarily as a means
of generating publicity. It didn’t work because the media here is shit scared
of branding any Jew a liar for fear of being branded anti-Semitic. Not me.
Because a libel writ is very complex I was advised it would fail in its
present form. This writ was for more than just libel, so I withdrew it and
told the parties – including Mike Whine – that if they paid a sum into court
and apologised – I would not reissue it. Mike Whine declined this offer. If
you have any doubts that he regrets that, give him a ring now and he’ll tell
you Jew to Jew that he is sorry he has ever heard of me. He’ll be even sorrier
by the time I’m through with him.
Mike Whine subsequently issued a garnishee order for some 1300 pounds which was
recouped by collusion between two Jewish-owned firms of solicitors from
a payment of 1800 pounds made to me by one of the booksellers I sued.
Another of the people I included in the writ agreed not to pursue me for costs
if I would leave him out of future writs. This person is a wealthy and powerful
Jew. He is also very wise.
The ONLY costs recouped against me were those of Mike Whine, not the editor
of the un-Jewish Chronicle nor anyone else.
Later my property was returned and no charges were filed, so I now have a case
against the police, although even if one is a 100% in the right it is often
difficult to prove anything against the police. Don’t take my word, ask Rodney
King.
When one sues the Police, one sues the Commissioner as a figurehead. Because
of the circumstances of my arrest and the behaviour of the officer involved,
a Jew named DS Chainey – surprise surprise – I was granted legal aid to sue
for false arrest, which is pending but so far limited to counsel’s opinion.
In December 1993 I issued a writ against Searchlight and subsequently a writ
in September 1994. I have settled so far for 7,500 from several of the parties
and have turned down one other offer as derisory.
In 1991 a journalist sued Searchlight, its printer and its distributor and
settled out of court for 1,010 pounds and no apology. Compare his case with
what I’ve got so far.
Furthermore you know nothing about this case; you don’t know what it concerns,
any allegations made or anything. You are in the dark and arguing from ignorance
advised as you are by liars and fools.
Because I can only handle one case at a time and libel is very complex (my
solicitor is handling the other case, against the police), I will not YET
be reissing my other libel writ. When I do, it will be properly drafted.
So far my so-called frivolous litigation has cost a lot of people a great
deal of money and a great deal of aggravation. I have also recently sued Hackney
Council successfully, albeit for a small sum.
The people you have called respectable include a piece of slime whose organisation
dragged a dotty old woman into court not once but twice because she is so gullible
as to believe the Jews are plotting to take over the world. They have also smeared
as an anti-Semite loony anti-racist Ken Livingstone and tried to have me
prosecuted for condemning the murders of Palestinian children.
Two of the so-called respectable bookshops in this case were found by me to
be stocking newspapers that incite the murders of policemen and that harass
Conservative MPs (including Jewish MPs).
You’re talking shit Harry because you have been advised by liars. I am well
ahead financially, and Organised Jewry are sorry they ever crossed swords with
me. And there are more nightmares to come.
In future, Harry, get the full facts.
Furthermore you repeatedly stated or implied that after October 22 I wouldn’t
be around or that I would be eating humble pie. Well Harry, I’m still around,
and I’m eating cake that somebody else bought for me. You’ve lost Harry, now
change the subject and accuse me of lying about something else like you always
do.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Mark Van Alstine” writes:
> Absolutely, Al! Now, _will_ you state your reasons for why Hart’s
> recounting is “impossible” and violates the “laws of physics?”
Take a deep breath of cyanide then ask me that question again.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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Subject: Re: Harry Mazal – Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> Mt reference, of course, was not the gross settlement but to the amount that > you put in your pocket. Given the legal fees, the legal costs, the amount
> retained by counsel as a retainer for trial (barrister’s fees are paid in
> advance)
> and the fact that the court ordered that past judgments against you be
> satisfied
Wrong again.
> from the settlements, I doubt that the amount that actually found its way into
> your
> pocket was enough to buy a pint of beer at the local pub.
Wrong again. My legal “fees” to date amount to a hundred quid to a qualified
but non-pracitising lawyer. The rest has been time and effort, but the real
fruits are yet to come.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Harry Mazal – Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> 1) How much of the 7500 Pounds was Mr. Baron obliged
> by the court to pay Mr. Michae Whine for legal costs?
Just over 1300
> 2) How much of the 7500 Pounds was Mr. Baron obliged
> by the court to pay the Board of Deputies for legal costs?
Nothing, because I didn’t sue them. Apology please, Harry.
> 3) How much of the 7500 Pounds was Mr. Baron obliged
> by the court to pay the Editor of _The Jewish Chronicle_
> for legal costs?
Nothing.
> 4) How much of the 7500 Pounds was Mr. Baron obliged
> by the court to pay the Commissioner of Police for legal
> costs?
Nothing.
> 50 How much of the 7500 Pounds left over after Mr. Baron
> paid the above?
I have made about 6,000 to date; my actual costs (excluding time)
come to about 1,000. A successful litigant in person (as I hope to be
at the end of the day) is allowed all his material costs (including for
any legal advice) plus 8.25 pounds per hour.
Why don’t you ask the other parties how much they’ve spent to date?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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Article: 13086 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Alt.Revisionism – newsgroup of losers
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Josh Klein” writes:
> At least this philosophy student would be interested to know exactly
> who you consider ? “Britain’s most distinguished philosopher.”
Professor Antony Flew.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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Article: 13087 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: A Quandry for Mr. Baron
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Jamie McCarthy” writes:
> Note very carefully what Mr. Baron says here. The quote above is
> complete, by the way.
> The subject is Eichmann at his trial. Not Eichmann before his capture.
> Not Eichmann during the Holocaust itself. Eichmann at trial.
> Now, Holocaust-deniers usually say that all confessions given at trials
> about the Holocaust are invalid because the confessor was trying to get
> a lighter sentence, or was trying to get freed. They ignore that the
> confessor in question often continued to confirm the facts of the
> Holocaust after being found guilty and having sentence pronounced.
> As we shall see, Mr. Baron follows exactly the same course.
> On October 15th, I replied to him by quoting Eichmann’s last statement
> to the court _after_ being sentenced to death. And I pointed out this
> fact in the article I wrote:
> > That was Eichmann’s last speech to the court in Jerusalem, on December
> > 13th, 1961, after being condemned to death by hanging.
> On October 24th, Mr. Baron replied to me. But he apparently had missed
> the fact that the quotation was Eichmann speaking after, not before,
> sentence had been pronounced. Mr. Baron wrote me:
> > > I was unfortunate enough to have been mixed up in these horrors.
> > > But, these misdeeds were not of my own doing. It was not my desire
> > > to kill people. These mass murders are solely the consequence of
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > the Fuehrer’s policy.
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Please sir, it wasn’t me.
> > > The Judge asked me if I wished to plead guilty, as had Hoess, the
> > > Auschwitz commander and the Governor General of Poland, Frank. Both
> > > had the same reason for acting as they did: Frank, responsible for
> > > the orders they had given, was afraid of being accused by his
> > > subordinates, while Hoess was the one who had actually carried out
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > the mass exterminations.
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > My position is different.
> > Hoess did it, not me.
Eichmann was kidnapped by the world’s most ruthless security service, whose
later crimes include the 1973 murder of an innocent Moroccan waiter in
Lillehammer. To what extent Eichmann was brainwashed I wouldn’t like to say,
but anyone who takes this trial seriously should also take at face value
the Moscow show trials.
> My question is this, Mr. Baron:
> Why would you accept his statements _before_ being sentenced to death
> as proof of the Holocaust, when you’ve already said that his statements
> _after_ sentencing are “too silly to comment on”?
No.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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Article: 13216 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Harry Mazal – Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> > Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:
> > In article <[email protected]>
> > [email protected] “John Morris” writes:
> [Text deleted]
> > > Talk about “shifting the ground.” Mr. Mazal has never made reference
> > > to any of the lawsuits against your bookstore defendants.
Harry, this very day you have claimed that I sued “honorable” companies
which settled on the advice of their insurance companies.
> > I am still in litigation with several of the defendants.
> Oh really? Apart from the Editor of _Searchlight_ which other suits are
> pending:
> 1) Is the suit against Mr. Michael Whine still pending?
This will be reissued next year.
> 2) Is the Suit against the Board of Deputies still pending?
There never was one!
> 3) Is the suit against the Editor of _The Jewish Chronicle_ still pending?
> 4) Is the suit against the Commisioner of Police still pending?
> The answer is _no_. Mr. Baron dropped the suits and was forced
> to reimburse the above for court costs. Will Mr. Baron address this
> matter pr will he continue to evade?
Harry, there was only one suit. If you bring an action against 6 parties,
that is one suit.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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Article: 13217 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Harry Mazal – Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> Mr. Baron’s unwanted and boorish familiarity continues. He did,
> however, sue the BOD. Perhaps we can end this charade soon and
> reveal Mr. Baron.
He who asserts must prove. You cannot prove that because it never
happened. Apology please.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:49:12 PST 1995
Article: 13218 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Harry Mazal – Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> How odd. In a previous post Mr. Baron admitted to paying someting like
> 1300 Pounds for legal costs after withdrawing his suit against a decent
> and upright citizen of Great Britain.
If you are referring to Mike Whine as a decent and upright citizen, here are
a few facts about him and his organisation.
In 1983 his “defence committee” tried to have loony leftist Ken Livingstone
prosecuted for condemning Zionist atrocities.
In September 1993 he tried to have me prosecuted for condemning Zionist
atrocities.
In 1991 and 1994 his organisation succeeded in dragging an 80 year old woman
into court for publishing absurd anti-Semitica.
Earlier this year he endorsed a certain Jewish anti-fascist to the Jewish
Chronicle even though this man has been exposed as a notorious liar by yours
truly.
His organisation has persistently smeared me and covered up for David
Irving.
Nice, upstanding citizen.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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Article: 13219 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A reminder to Mr. Baron (Re: The Exterminationist Guidebook)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Joel Rosenberg” writes:
> Perhaps the police considered that the source of this report is you, a known
> nutcase?
I furthered photocopies to the Police Commissioner; I was subsequently informed
by Special Branch that originals had been collected. Anyone who sends me a
couple of IRCs or small dollar donation can see for himself the true nature
of these publications.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:49:13 PST 1995
Article: 13220 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: A reminder to Mr. Baron (Re: The Exterminationist Guidebook)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> In message <[email protected]> – Alexander Baron <A_Baron@abaron.
> That’s not what I hear from very good sources.
> The way to resolve this is simply to respond to the several questions put by
> Mr. Mazal on this subject.
I have official documentation on this, and including on the incitements to
murder. Harry has hot air and has been briefed by liars. Nuff said.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:49:14 PST 1995
Article: 13221 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <[email protected]>
li[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> Okay, Mr. Baron–I give up. I will no longer ask you to support your
> claims, as you obviously have no interest in doing so and no idea what
> such support would entail. From now on, you go in the heap with Miltie
> and Griswold–just another halfwit antisemite for verbal target practice.
The “evidence” adduced by Kitty Hart is on a par with the evidence that
a) Jews practise ritual murder (less so in fact because we have confession
evidence. As far as I know, no SS man has ever admitted to throwing a gassed
baby into an oven).
b) the belief that AIDS was created in the laboratory by the US government
as part of a sinister plot to exterminate blacks
c) for the Loch Ness Monster
d) for JFK killing Marilyn Monroe.
It is not evidence; in fact it is probably not even hearsay, it may be
that this story was not concocted until Hart’s book was commissioned.
If you pay any attention to this sort of nonsense then you must give
similar credence to any historical myth or nonsense, that is not history.
It is fantasy. And fear of being branded anti-Semitic.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:49:15 PST 1995
Article: 13222 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “MORRISON KEITH MURRAY” writes:
> Try this use of it, Al:
> Which of the following provides the simplest explanation for the observed
> data?
> 1) In the 1930s and 1940s Nazi Germany implemented a policy of eliminating
> “undesirables” through various means that included gas chambers, or
> 2) Since 1945 there has been a vast conspiracy of people of every type of
> ethnic background to create a false historiography based on a mass
> delusion of millions of people. This conspiracy has created thousands
> of forged documents and coerced thousands of witnesses to give its
> version of history and, since 1945, has not allowed a *single* one of
> its participants to blow the whistle, even the ones it has caused to be
> given death penalties.
> Where’s Occam’s Razor there now, Mr. Baron?
The same argument can be used for flying saucers. Either flying saucers exist
or a vast conspiracy has been concocted by members of the public, various
UFO organisations and publications and the media to promote a belief in them.
In any case, your argument is flawed. No one bar exterminationists claims that
millions of people are involved in a conspiracy, and you do this simply to
discredit people like me. Most people get their information from the media, and
if the media is wrong, so are they. The documents are not all forged, but
most of them do not say what Exterminationists believe (or want them) to say.
Many participants have “blown the whistle”. Many people have denied exterminationa
and gassings. And now, in Germany, they can be thrown into gaol for it.
Was it a conspiracy that made people believe the Earth was flat, or that
evolution was wrong? No. It was disinformation and officially sanctioned
lies backed up by the full coercive power of the state. Therein lies
Occam’s Razor.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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ka[email protected] “Charles R.L. Power” writes:
>Curious that you’ve never mentioned this before. Suddenly you
> invent a new reason, one that makes no particular sense, why Hart’s story
> is so hard for you to believe.
I haven’t invented it. Try Lingens-Reiner, for example.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:49:16 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: Alt.Revisionism – newsgroup of losers
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In article <[email protected]>
stephane.bruch[email protected] “Stephane Bruchfeld” writes:
> May it be inquired what Professor Flew’s words were?
He congratulated me in screwing money out of people who stock a certain
magazine. As a committed Libertarian Professor Flew has himself been
smeared as a Nazi fellow traveller. Anyone who has ever met him will know
how absurd this claim is. He is one of the few English people still
alive to have actually visited Nazi Germany, and he didn’t like what he saw.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:49:17 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: I’m black I’m Oppressed!
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> > Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:
> What you should do is lobby for the legalisation
> of crack, cocaine and heroin.
> Does Mr. Baron indulge in the use of any of the above? Do his children?
No.
> Does he really believe that legalization of these drugs will make the
> world a safer place for his children?
Harry, when they start talking about defending your children they are
really talking about destroying your rights.
> How successful was the British experiment that allowed drug users to
> obtain drugs at a low cost?
Heroin, concaine? Enlighten me.
> Enquiring minds wish to know. Some Libertarians espouse this
> philosophy including my admired friend, Dr. Milton Friedman.
More to the point, what right does a boring old fart like you have to tell
a black man that he has no right to sell drugs or a man of any race what
he mayt or may not shove up his own nose?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:49:17 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: Put Up Or Shut Up
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> It is rather odd that Mr. Baron should crow over what he deems to be
> ‘successful lawsuits.’ One must ask if he tries to make his living, as
> many shabby people in this country do, by suing honorable companies
> whose insurance companies prefer to settle than spend weeks in idle
> litigation.
> Oh dear. Mr. Baron might find the word ‘shabby’ displeasing. Perhaps
> he should sue me. He has my address…
No Harry, I find the word honorable displeasing in this context, especially
when you appear to be referring to two bookshops which stock queer porn and
hate literature that incites the murders of politicians, policemen and judges.
Is that your idea of honorable?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 15:49:18 PST 1995
Article: 13230 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> After reading his comments, can anyone doubt that Mr. Baron is a boor,
> a confabulator, a racist, and an anti-Semite? If he does not like the
> sobriquets, perhaps he should sue me.
> And, after re-reading his own pitiful attempt to explain the dreadful
> mess he has gotten into, does he not wish he had kept quiet or at least
> pondered his answer more carefully?
Harry, I have two court orders in my favour, other people’s money in my
pocket and more to come. Confabulation is what you do; you could even give
Kitty Hart a few lessons.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 17:47:38 PST 1995
Article: 5842 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: I’m black I’m Oppressed!
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Western” writes:
> >Mr. Farrakahan,
> >My name is Rufus Washington. I am a 25 year old oppressed black man.
> >I dropped out of school at 14 to pursue a career in dealing drugs,
> >and I have been in and out of jail ever since.
You are oppressed, Mr Washington. Specifically you are oppressed by a system
that turns you into an outlaw by criminalising your legitimate business of
providing willing buyers – black and white – with a narcotic substance for
recreational use. The very same system criminalised Al Capone 70 years ago
for providing a similar public service. It is not racism but mass hysteria
and collective psychosis. What you should do is lobby for the legalisation
of crack, cocaine and heroin.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Mon Oct 30 17:54:36 PST 1995
Article: 7965 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Western” writes:
> >Mr. Farrakahan,
> >My name is Rufus Washington. I am a 25 year old oppressed black man.
> >I dropped out of school at 14 to pursue a career in dealing drugs,
> >and I have been in and out of jail ever since.
You are oppressed, Mr Washington. Specifically you are oppressed by a system
that turns you into an outlaw by criminalising your legitimate business of
providing willing buyers – black and white – with a narcotic substance for
recreational use. The very same system criminalised Al Capone 70 years ago
for providing a similar public service. It is not racism but mass hysteria
and collective psychosis. What you should do is lobby for the legalisation
of crack, cocaine and heroin.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Tue Oct 31 09:00:21 PST 1995
Article: 13274 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Baron’s Surprising Admissions
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Joel Rosenberg” writes:
> Ah. Then you admit that this talk about what your lawyers will or won’t let
> you say was another Baron Lie(tm).
> Amazing. Not that any of this would be true, mind, but amazing that you’d
> admit it.
No, stupid. I have a lawyer who is acting for me on two other matters, my
claim against the police and a claim for criminal injuries. I decided also
to take procedural advice. I do all my own drafting, affidavits etc, but
the law of libel is so incredibly complex that it is extremely difficult
for a litigant in person. Most people are surprised I’ve got this far. The
rest are worried about how far I will get.
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Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Tue Oct 31 09:00:22 PST 1995
Article: 13275 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Baron’s Ignorance (Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Re)
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Daniel Keren” writes:
> This is but one of many such examples – once, Baron confused
> the gas chambers of Treblinka and Auschwitz.
Dan, I’ve read the War Refugee Board Report intently, and I know the
alleged layout of these “gas chambers”. In spite of the numerous contradictions.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Tue Oct 31 09:00:23 PST 1995
Article: 13276 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: An opinion on Baron…FWIW
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Bruce Forest” writes:
> Howdy..
Howdy. Your posting is a tissue of distortions.
> After observing the Mazal/Baron war for the past months, I just thought an
> opinion might be in order. IMHO, Baron is a PITA litigious anti-Semite. As
> a journalist/author of sorts, he uses the Crown Courts to gain needed
> publicity, although I never heard of him before alt.revisionism.
Do you know what allegations I am suing over? If you don’t, hold your tongue.
>In the UK, monetary awards are not decided by
> a jury, but instead calculated by a complicated process called
> Quantitative, and they relate to actual loss rather than the whims of a
> jury. 85k for a civil damages suit is enormous by British standards.
Wrong.
> Libel and slander cases in the UK border on the comical. While the Crown
> Prosecution Service is well known for refusing to prosecute rapists,
The CPS NEVER prosecutes rapists because no rapist is ever prosecuted.
ALLEGED rapists are prosecuted. The CPS will not bring a case unless it has
a reasonable chance, or unless there is meaningful evidence.
>those
> who assault, and major criminals, people like William Roache (a popular
> soap opera character ‘Ken Barlow’) are awarded large sums for being called
> ‘boring.’
You cannot compare the civil law with the criminal law.
It would seem Mr Baron’s suits are about on the same level, and
> appropriately, seem to be successful. In the US, his cases would be
> laughed out of court. Mr Baron’s frivolous litigation is unmentioned in
> the UK press, AFAIK, and has little if any impact beyond Mr Barons wallet.
How can you call my litigation frivolous if you don’t know what it is about?
> Mr Baron’s vituperative replies to posts here usually consist of rebuttal
> by ‘you can’t really believe that is possible, do you?” logic. That is
> usually the crux of his rebuttal: his own opinions and values, sans
> evidence.
In a court of law, EVIDENCE is required. In an English court, hearsay is
not evidence.
> It also seems strange to me that Mr Baron kept tantalizing us with
> “October 22!!!”, but he disappeared on the day before, and only reappeared
> three days ago, on demon’s server. Why the absence? It all goes to
> credibility, which Mr Baron is losing fast, IMHO.
The problem is your server; I’ve been on every day.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Tue Oct 31 09:00:24 PST 1995
Article: 13277 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Wannsee Protocol
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A while ago I reported that the Jewish Chronicle for June 13, 1947,
claimed the discovery of Nazi documents that showed that Hitler planned
to exterminate 330,000 Jews in Britain and 865,000 in France.
What happened to this mysterious document? If it ever existed, I asked.
Someone replied that to the effect that Baron was an ignoramus because
he didn’t recognise the Wannsee Protocol.
Will someone be so kind as to tell me exactly where in the Wannsee Protocol
the extermination of 330,000 British Jews, or any Jews at all is mooted?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Tue Oct 31 09:00:24 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Re
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> He must be aware that the questions that have been posed are backed by
> evidence
You have no evidence Harry; you accused me of suing the Board of Deputies;
you said I paid money to the Jewish Chronicle. In fact the only time money
has passed between myself and the Jewish Chronicle is when they paid me 50
pounds for a story about David Irving, which they then suppressed. They then
smeared ME as an anti-Semite and protected Irving.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Tue Oct 31 09:03:06 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: I Am a Non-Bigoted Revisionist Who Believes in the Holocaust –
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In article <[email protected]>
Harry W. Mazal OBE “[email protected], San Antonio, Texas” writes:
> The ‘great’ Libertarian is asking a question that is too silly for words.
> Perhaps
> he should see what Treasury Notes are used for, among other instruments of
> debt. Mr. Baron should consult with Prof. Buchanan, one of the
> more brilliant analysts of the American debt. Or, easier
> yet, read any of the many publications issued (in English) by the Cato
> Institute.
Who owns the debt, Harry? If the country is 4 trillion in debt, someone is
owed 4 trillion. Who?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Tue Oct 31 09:03:07 PST 1995
Article: 13302 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Why not make more of the Mueller Document forgery?
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> > Two of the so-called respectable bookshops in this case were found by me to
> > be stocking newspapers that incite the murders of policemen and that harass
> > Conservative MPs (including Jewish MPs).
You haven’t answered the question, Harry. If one of my (so-called) Nazis friends
were to sell in his bookshop a newspaper on the front cover of which was a
photograph of a group of rabbis and the legend “execute these scumbags” you
and your friends at Woburn House would scream your heads off. This is one
of the publications that was on sale at Centerprise Bookshop – a registered
charity. Inciting the murder of Britain’s judges.
Do you approve of that? Do you think such people are respectable?
I’ve answered your questions, now you answer mine.
Do you understand what the word libel means?
Do you understand what the word defamation means?
Do you realise that in English law an allegation of criminal activity is
prima facie libellous and is therefore actionable?
If you did, Harry, or if you ascertained the facts before opening your big
mouth, you might not have made so many reckless allegations against me. Dig?
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Tue Oct 31 09:03:08 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: More of Baron’s Rubbish (Re: More Hartfelt fantasies)
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Michael P. Stein” writes:
> Why are you suddenly accepting photographs at face value? Had it been
> piles of corpses, you would have been demanding, “Prove they weren’t
> forged! Prove they weren’t staged!”
Who said I was! These photographs were taken by the Red Cross and published
in a magazine in England during the war. They were of real, identified people.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Tue Oct 31 09:04:31 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Oh where, oh where, has Al Baron gone?
Oh where, oh where can he be?
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Gord McFee” writes:
> And I will apologise again when you clearly set out your position on the
> Holocaust.
I believe there is evidence – but no proof of gassings; evidence – but no proof
of an extermination programme. And that we have all been told a great many lies.
The fact that otherwise highly intelligent people in this newsgroup are making
fools of themselves trying to defend a ridiculous canard about a baby
surviving a gassing and then being thrown into an oven by a sadistic SS man
is living proof of how desperate the Exterminationist lobby has become, and
the depths to which the Revisionists have made them sink with their
irrefutable analyses.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Tue Oct 31 18:06:44 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Is Jamie McCarthy totally spineless or totally credulous?
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “MORRISON KEITH MURRAY” writes:
> >> Where’s Occam’s Razor there now, Mr. Baron?
> >The same argument can be used for flying saucers. Either flying saucers exist
> >or a vast conspiracy has been concocted by members of the public, various
> >UFO organisations and publications and the media to promote a belief in them.
> Let us try and be REALLY basic about this so you can understand.
> The Difference Between UFOs and Extermination Camps
> subject UFO camp
> 1. physical evidence none much
wrong! there is film, including film of aliens!
> 2. documentary evidence none much
> by perpetrators
wrong! There are official documents, including the MJ-12 documents, which
Philip Klass has proved to be forged.
> 3. testimony by none much
> perpetrators
Only because they escaped!
> 4. non-participant none (of abductions) many
> witnesses
quite a few: the Walton incident, Adamski’s perjured witnesses.
> So, for the last time, will you *please* stop trying to compare the two
> because they are *not* comparable.
Oh yes they are. There is a difference of scale, but the real analogy is that
the media – and many other people – keep repeating lies.
> But think about what you are a proponant of for a moment. In order for your
> version of history to be the correct one you *by necessity* have to admit to
> the existance of a vast conspiracy that has, for the past fifty years,
> actively conspired to suppress the true story. Otherwise you can not claim
> your position is the least bit tenable. I admit my millions may have been a
> bit of hyperbole, but only a bit.
How many millions of people does it take to pass and enforce laws making
Revisionism illegal? How many people does it take to freeze Revisionists out
of the media and academia? Not many. This has happened.
> Name one who has “blown the whistle” who was involved and blew it where it
> can be demonstrated that they were not doing it for personal benefit. Name
> *ONE*
Many “perpetrators” have denied it. In fact most of them blamed other people.
The judge at the Auschwitz trial said he had yet to meet anyone who had
done anything at Auschwitz!
> First, there was no concerted attempt to indicate that evolution was wrong,
> there was however disagreement when it came out.
You’ve never heard of the Scopes trial?
by the late 1400s most educated people knew fully well the
> Earth was round. There was no concerted effort to deny that either. Guess
> you need to learn more history.
Galileo (1564-1642). No concerted effort?
Be constructive and present your interpretation
> of the evidence, *all* the evidence and tell us what happened. Do that and
> you can compare yourself to Darwin and Columbus.
And Harry and company will still compare me with Streicher.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Tue Oct 31 18:06:45 PST 1995
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li[email protected] “william c anderson” writes:
> No Jew, to my knowledge, has ever confessed to “ritual murder” except
> under torture.
Wrong!
> There is no documentary evidence, bar proven forgeries,
> of Jewish ritual murder.
Wrong!
>There is no physical evidence of Jewish ritual
> murder.
Wrong!
>There are no eyewitnesses to any act of Jewish ritual murder.
Wrong!
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Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Tue Oct 31 18:06:46 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Harry Mazal – Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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[email protected] “Joel Rosenberg” writes
> You know, I think you really believe this. Amazing.
You want me to E-mail you the proof?
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Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Harry Mazal – Living Proof Of The Need For Revisionism
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “Yale F. Edeiken” writes:
> > Alexander Baron <[email protected]> writes:
> > If you are referring to Mike Whine as a decent and upright citizen, here are
> > a few facts about him and his organisation.
> > In September 1993 he tried to have me prosecuted for condemning Zionist
> > atrocities.
That’s the truth. If you don’t believe me, consult the Jewish Chronicle for
September 10, 1993, page 12.
> That’s a lie.
> > Earlier this year he endorsed a certain Jewish anti-fascist to the Jewish
> > Chronicle even though this man has been exposed as a notorious liar by yours
> > truly.
> Any decent person would consider a statement like that from you as a ringing
> endorsement.
The truth lies in the Jewish Chronicle archive.
I have copious documentation on all my allegations against the slime of Organised
Jewry which I will despatch gratis to anyone who sends me a donation for postage
and photocopying.
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Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Tue Oct 31 18:06:47 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: Baron’s Surprising Admissions
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In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] “Joel Rosenberg” writes:
> Just keep shuffling your story around. It’s fine by me.
It’s when I come across people like you I can understand why anti-Semites
believe all the things they do about Jews. You twist, distort and lie with
impunity, spread your lies to the world, and when you are refuted, scream
anti-Semitism. Again, I have a lawyer whom I consult for procedural advice.
I have also been advised that it may not be a bad idea to reinvest some of my
recent windfall in professional legal advice.
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Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Tue Oct 31 18:06:48 PST 1995
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From: Alexander Baron <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: A Challenge to All Revisionists: Can You Do It?
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] “MORRISON KEITH MURRAY” writes:
> A recent reply I made to Mr. Baron has reminded me of a challenge I made
> sometime back that was never taken up. Now I know why it was not taken up,
> and you denier types know why you didn’t take it up, but for the new people
> on both sides and the spectators, let us try it again.
> ********************THE CHALLENGE**************************
> You forget that there is an accepted history of the Holocaust.
> You forget about nit-picking and semantic games. Your challenge
> is to start from the beginning.
> Taking the evidence available, formulate YOUR version of what
> happened during that period.
That’s what I’m doing; it will take quite a bit of time to research. I’ve
also got other things to do.
>Present a thesis that presents
> a reasonable, supportable and consistent theory about what
> did happen. Some questions you have to answer might include
> the changes in populations before vs after the war,
You mean the people who were bombed to death, emigrated, died of typhus
etc. We have to account for those?
>>Himmler’s
> speeches, diaries of various Nazi government officials,
You mean like: We’ll wipe these sons of bitches off the face of the Earth.
And other war time rhetoric? We have to explain that?
> documents and the physical evidence.
you mean the millions of bodies which were destroyed without trace? In other
words we have to explain why there is no evidence?
> For example, suggesting that around 6 million
> Jews were abducted by aliens is not reasonable. Saying that
> they and their descendants are living in the former Soviet
> Union is not supportable since the rusting of the Iron Wall.
So perhaps we should find the names of these six million alleged Jews.
Do you think Yad Vashem will tell us?
> Saying on the one hand that the prisoners were well treated
> and then saying that the guards intentionally allowed them to
> starve is not consistent.
True: so we should reject the claims of Ella Lingens-Reiner for example who
said that:
a wardress gave her gifts and allowed her to write special letters to her
young son AND sent people to the gas chambers.
> Imagine the humiliation of the “Exterminationists”.
Imagine the accolades from Yad Vashem, the ADL and the Wiesenthal Center; when
they realise I am right they will shout: “Hooray, Baron is not an anti-Semite
after all, he’s an iconoclast. How could we have been so blind and so stupid?”
Whoo knows, they might even nominate me for the Nobel Prize.
—
Alexander Baron
“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the
accomplice of liars and forgers.” – Charles Peguy
From [email protected] Sun Oct 1 17:42:20 PDT 1995
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